Aug. 27, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| What's going on with all the cigars? | ||
| Which cigars? | ||
| Those are not cigars. | ||
| Those are marijuana. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| I figured it might be something like that. | ||
| It's marijuana on the outside. | ||
| It's called a blunt. | ||
| That's what the youngins call it. | ||
| Oh, no, I know the term blunt, but that looks like a legit... | ||
| I thought it was some kind. | ||
| But you're younger than me. | ||
| Of course you know it. | ||
| Yeah, but I'm not as schooled as you. | ||
| I'm not as schooled as you and the illicit. | ||
| Even though that's not... | ||
| It's not an illicit now. | ||
| Speaking of illicit, we've got some meat-eater bourbon. | ||
| Some elk shank bourbon. | ||
| Yeah, it pairs with... | ||
| It's a good name because... | ||
| It pairs with people. | ||
| I've had both of those things thanks to you. | ||
| Elk shank's a great name for it because that is like one of the rare foods. | ||
| Like if you talk to most hunters, like I said, have you ever had elk shank, asabuco? | ||
| They'd be like, what? | ||
| Most hunters have never eaten that. | ||
| And it was revelatory to find out about it. | ||
| And then it's the thing that I became, I started to proselytize, you know. | ||
| I found out about eating it because my brother found out about eating it because he has this old cookbook called the L.L. Bean It's like the Ella Bean Wild Game Cookbook by a guy named Angus. | ||
| First name of Angus, if I remember right. | ||
| And he's got a shank recipe in his book for antelope shank. | ||
| And so we started making it. | ||
| That's the funny thing about wild game cooking that you've probably picked up on is that you could have a thing where you could say, like, hey, here's a recipe for a whitetail deer heart, right? | ||
| And someone will be like, but do you have one for a mule deer heart? | ||
| Have I explained this to you before? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, they're interchangeable, aren't they? | ||
| Yeah, that's the thing. | ||
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Obviously. | |
| Like when we did our cookbook, I tried really hard to steer away from things that would be elk recipes, deer recipes, and just take it from a cut basis. | ||
| The cookbook is excellent, by the way. | ||
| Have you messed around with it? | ||
| Many times. | ||
| Oh, that's good. | ||
| Many times. | ||
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That's great. | |
| Quite a few things from it. | ||
| It's really great. | ||
| We got away from saying, like, here's an antelope recipe or whatever, because it's just like the cut is more important Especially with all these ungulates, like horned and antlered game. | ||
| What it is is more important than what it came from. | ||
| So by putting elk shank on that bottle, I'm kind of like going against my own advice. | ||
| If I just put shank, people might not know what you're talking about. | ||
| Well, it could be like lamb shank, but it's just a cool name. | ||
| We're going to do a limited run of those where we write all kinds of weird stuff in there that it pairs well with. | ||
| Is it good? | ||
| Is this good stuff? | ||
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Should we try it? | |
| Yeah, man. | ||
| It's five years old. | ||
| Should we get a taste? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's get some ice and some glasses. | ||
| I took a long break from drinking. | ||
| How long? | ||
| I just slowed way down on it when my kids were born. | ||
| Started to be born. | ||
| And then gradually me and my wife have gotten back into it. | ||
| You guys are working together, which is really crazy. | ||
| I know, we haven't toasted. | ||
| Giannis took a year off booze. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Just for whatever Giannis reasons. | ||
| I can't remember, he had some reason for it. | ||
| He had a birthday once and took a month off, then he had a birthday and took a year off. | ||
| He's got four months to go. | ||
| For the end of the year and then he's going to drink? | ||
| Yeah, but he says his family. | ||
| I think his wife was explaining to me there's a lot more disposable income around the house now because she's like, I never realized how much boozing takes up. | ||
| How much all those fancy beers adds up to. | ||
| That's an interesting thing. | ||
| Yeah, people don't think about that. | ||
| When you run your tab at the end of the week and then add that times four and then add that times 12, that's real money. | ||
| Yeah, and I don't know if you remember, you probably liked this when you were younger where It was impossible that you'd have leftover booze in your house. | ||
| You know, because everybody just drank so much. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Now, we're like such grown-ups. | ||
| In our pantry, we have like a little liquor section. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you have like, oh, there's, you know. | ||
| Yeah, I have a wine fridge. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But in the old days, you couldn't because you just drank it and it was gone. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I want to interview you for a minute. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| How comfortable? | ||
| Do you ever tell your listeners about the comedy stuff you're working on? | ||
| Or do you like to keep it big secret? | ||
| Yeah, I tell them some things. | ||
| I don't like to give up premises. | ||
| Cheers, sir. | ||
| You don't like to give up premises? | ||
| I mean, punchlines. | ||
| I'll say a subject I'm working on. | ||
| You do or don't give up subjects? | ||
| I want to engage you about a subject that we were texting about. | ||
| Oh, about the missionary? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| I just don't understand. | ||
| This is good. | ||
| I know that you will. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I know that you will have, knowing you and how good you are at what you do, I know you'll have done it, but I don't understand how you could have had a novel thought about the missionary who got killed. | ||
| Just to refresh people's memory, there's an island, East Sentinel. | ||
| What's funny, by my fish shack, there's an island called Sentinel Island. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, no one lives on it. | ||
| I've been past it many times and have yet been shot at. | ||
| It's North Sentinel Island. | ||
| Oh, sorry. | ||
| North Sentinel Island. | ||
| It's in the middle of the Indian Ocean. | ||
| And my shack is East Sentinel. | ||
| North Sentinel Island. | ||
| You know it better, so you should tell people what it is. | ||
| I want to go to your shack. | ||
| I want to catch some halibut. | ||
| I would love to have you there. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, next one, instead of a hunting trip, let's do a fishing trip. | ||
| I would love to have you there. | ||
| Have Callum come out there and we'll catch some halibut. | ||
| So you're not interested in bringing your family? | ||
| Yeah, we could do that too. | ||
| We kind of take a family approach up there more and more now. | ||
| Your kids like flipping rocks and seeing what's under the rock? | ||
| My youngest loves fishing. | ||
| Loves it. | ||
| Rock flipping? | ||
| She loves everything. | ||
| She's really big in that world. | ||
| How young's the youngest? | ||
| Nine. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| But no, I want to get like, I've thought about it and thought about it and I can't think... | ||
| Not that I don't have faith in you. | ||
| I just can't think of what the take would be. | ||
| The problem is if I explained it, what the take is, it would fuck up the bit for people that haven't seen the bit. | ||
| I'll show it to you tonight. | ||
| Tonight you'll see. | ||
| No, I'm going tonight. | ||
| I can't wait to go see. | ||
| You'll see. | ||
| I'll explain off air. | ||
| I'll explain off air. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are you feeling good about the bit? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's a fascinating subject. | ||
| You know the guy, Commander Maurice Vidal Portman? | ||
| You know who that guy is? | ||
| No. | ||
| He was the pervert that traveled around from island to island measuring guys and taking weird photos with them, dressing them up like Roman soldiers. | ||
| I read a big piece about this, which I actually sent to you to see if you'd read it, too. | ||
| Yeah, I'd read... | ||
| You said you'd read everything about it. | ||
| Yeah, I'd read quite a few things about it, because there was a guy on Twitter, his name is Respectable Law, at Respectable Law, and he posted a whole series of things. | ||
| He'd actually been studying this case, or this place, before, because of this pervert guy. | ||
| And so when this man, this missionary, showed up on that island and got murdered, he knew all about the history of this island, so he made a chain of posts on Twitter, which were really interesting and informative. | ||
| And then I started... | ||
| Going deep into it. | ||
| I read the guy's journals. | ||
| The journals were hilarious, man. | ||
| The kid that got killed? | ||
| No, the guy who was the pervert. | ||
| The English pervert in the 1800s probably wrecked that whole area for those people. | ||
| Because they had this idea of what white men are. | ||
| Now, these people don't have a written language. | ||
| And they just have stories. | ||
| So they probably still have stories. | ||
| Of these white men that come carrying diseases and want to touch your dick and measure them. | ||
| Yeah, so this is a guy, he was into... | ||
| I just want to make sure I remember this right. | ||
| He was into, like, skull morphology, but with sexual organs. | ||
| Well, he was... | ||
| It's hard to tell what he was into, but it was... | ||
| It's so obviously perverted. | ||
| Like, it seems like he was doing sexual stuff with these people. | ||
| Trying to legitimize it by... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, just... | ||
| Measuring them and doing detailed descriptions of their sex organs. | ||
| He was really into that. | ||
| That seemed very important to him. | ||
| And he survived the island. | ||
| I can't decide where to go with my new Laird Hamilton turmeric coffee. | ||
| Or the whiskey. | ||
| Mix it up, back and forth. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| It's like soup with coffee in it. | ||
| It's very good for you, too. | ||
| Like I said, that turmeric. | ||
| People think of it as curry. | ||
| Because it's a great spice for food, but it's a potent anti-inflammatory. | ||
| Very, very good for you. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| So I'll have to wait and see what your take on it is. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Are you... | ||
| I'm almost done interviewing you. | ||
| Are you drawn to that idea? | ||
| I certainly am. | ||
| Which idea? | ||
| That you'd go and hang out and spend time with uncontacted people. | ||
| Well, you've done it in... | ||
| What part of South America were you at? | ||
| Well, yeah... | ||
| They're not uncontacted, but they're semi. | ||
| Definitely not uncontacted, but... | ||
| Yeah, some tribes, like the Chimane... | ||
| And the Mikushi and Wapashan are all tribes in Northern and South America who have a long, long history of contact and engagement with the outside world. | ||
| But individuals who can still very much, like hanging out with individuals who aren't that old, who in their youth were... | ||
| Very much like living a hunter-gatherer lifestyle with a mix of native materials and also some western materials. | ||
| And this was Guyana? | ||
| Guyana and Bolivia. | ||
| People that would still... | ||
| Make their bows from native materials. | ||
| People that grew up using canoes that were made, like hand-dug dugouts, using plant toxins to kill fish, but also other very modern stuff. | ||
| One of these guys that I really appreciate hanging out with, I mean, this guy's got an email address, but... | ||
| I might have told you this story before. | ||
| He's got an email address, but he also told us about... | ||
| We interviewed him on our show, on our podcast, and he's telling me about how their peccaries, their white-lipped peccaries, aren't around right now because there's a shaman in another village who's jealous of their village for being so prosperous and has locked their peccaries up inside of a mountain and that they're training their own shaman to free the peccaries from the mountain And | ||
| you can shoot this dude an email. | ||
| So, right? | ||
| Explain a peccary to people. | ||
| Oh, people here are familiar with a javelina. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, a javelina is a collared peccary. | ||
| And they'll run in little troops of, you might see anywhere from 1 to 13 or 14. White-lip peccaries are a bit bigger. | ||
| And they'll run in groups of 200 peccaries. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, they'll ravage. | ||
| These people have a somewhat agrarian lifestyle. | ||
| They hunt fish and also have farms scattered throughout the jungle. | ||
| And they'll just come in and ravage farms in groups of, like I said, groups of 100, 200. I should be honest here and say I've never laid eyes on a white-lipped peccary. | ||
| There's a third peccary, a chocoan or chocoan peccary that is much more rare than the collared and white-lipped peccary. | ||
| You got a picture of this, Jamie? | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Look at these fuckers. | ||
| Yeah, those supposedly taste a lot better than collard peccaries. | ||
| I've hunted collard peccaries in West Texas and in Sonora, Mexico. | ||
| Are they native to West Texas or did someone bring them in? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Collard peccaries are native. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Like portions of New Mexico. | ||
| Arizona and West Texas. | ||
| So they look similar to Javelina? | ||
| That's a Javelina. | ||
| No, a Javelina and a collard peccary are the same damn thing. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You'd appreciate this because, just knowing your tastes, they have a large breast with a nipple on the top of their back. | ||
| Like what would be the neck of your ass has a nipple. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| That's their scent gland. | ||
| So it's an actual nipple that someone nurses from? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's just a scent gland. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I'm sure you're trusty. | ||
| Jamie? | ||
| Jamie. | ||
| He'll find a nipple on the back of a picture. | ||
| Yeah, he'll find a picture. | ||
| Are they somehow related to pigs? | ||
| No. | ||
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Not at all. | |
| People like to think that they are, but they're not. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Oh, there it is. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| See that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Javelina tits. | ||
| When you clean them, you need to cut that away, because it really stinks to high heaven. | ||
| Is it like a tarso gland? | ||
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Yep. | |
| It's a scent gland. | ||
| Very powerful smell, and you usually smell them well ahead of seeing them. | ||
| And they're really pugnacious. | ||
| You can call at them and mimic the sound of a distressed young one, and they come in ready to kick your ass. | ||
| I saw that on your show when you and Remy went bowhunting them. | ||
| They run at you. | ||
| Remy's got a lot of experience messing around with these things. | ||
| It's funny because they're pretty popular. | ||
| You know, they're good to eat, but they're much more popular south of the border in Mexico. | ||
| It's much more common to eat javelina. | ||
| They make sausage out of them and stuff? | ||
| Yeah, they grind them up and make sausage out of them. | ||
| They cook various things. | ||
| I don't know anybody, maybe someone's out there that actually takes a backstrap off of a javelina and throws it on the grill. | ||
| But you generally do preparations with them where you cook them a fair bit. | ||
| Yeah, you'd have to break down. | ||
| They've got to be tough, right? | ||
| They are. | ||
| You couldn't just grill one. | ||
| You couldn't just grill one. | ||
| They're lean. | ||
| You've got to cook them down. | ||
| But you can see how it would be popular, though, because it's a nice little bundle of meat, right? | ||
| And I think that in some areas, especially in Sonora and elsewhere, people aren't likely to turn their nose up at good protein sources. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's one thing that's made for bow hunting because I think that with rifle hunting, and people do hunt with rifles, and I've shot them with rifles, but it can feel like a little bit of a gimme because you have to get very close to them before they're concerned but it can feel like a little bit of a gimme because you They're tough. | ||
| They got tossed. | ||
| They can kill stuff and rip stuff. | ||
| You think of the most, I would imagine of all the creatures, like a snapping turtle is least concerned with things that, like a snapping turtle doesn't care about anything until it's within six inches of its face, and javelin is not that exaggerated, but kind of have this like, their world sort of seems to but kind of have this like, their world sort of seems to end at 60 yards, but they don't care what's going on outside of So you can kind of creep up to them? | ||
| Kind of walk up to them when you see them. | ||
| Do they see bad? | ||
| Are they like pigs? | ||
| They seem to have very poor eyesight. | ||
| They seem to have poor eyesight and have an amazingly varied diet. | ||
| They'll eat like, I mean if you lay there long enough they would come up and eat you. | ||
| Yeah, they ate my friend's dog. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, my friend's friend, Doug Stanhope, my buddy. | ||
| He lives in Arizona. | ||
| Was he pretty tore up about it? | ||
| Well, they were, you know, they hate those fucking things. | ||
| They just piled on this dog and ate the neighbor's dog. | ||
| And apparently it's not too uncommon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| Flash eaters. | ||
| Yeah, they'll fuck up a dog. | ||
| They're weird. | ||
| You know, one of the things, I think it points to a certain amount of sociopathy that I have, but when I hear about someone losing a cat or dog to wild creatures, my initial instinct isn't to be sad. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| You're like, well, that's part of the game. | ||
| Because you kind of view, you sort of, I have this view that Yeah, I have this view of that sort of like settlement and development v. | ||
| Wildlife is a global problem, right? | ||
| And one always wins. | ||
| Like the destruction of wildlife habitat always wins. | ||
| And then when you see it play out like that, in some ways you kind of like hope. | ||
| Like Ryan Callahan, who you know. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Recently... | ||
| That kid got, a young kid, it was like a 9 or 10 year old girl, got thrown up in the air. | ||
| By a bison? | ||
| Yeah, did you see that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In Yellowstone? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And by no means has Cal hoped to see someone, especially particularly a child, get hurt. | ||
| But he's like, you know, they still got it. | ||
| Yeah, you can't just close in on a bison. | ||
| They apparently got within 15 yards of that thing, which is just ridiculous. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I keep thinking about making a shirt that says, Yellowstone National Park, habituating wildlife since 1877. They do. | ||
| It is weird. | ||
| I've only been once. | ||
| Well, I went once when I was a kid, but I went once recently with my family, and it was... | ||
| Very weird that you could take selfies with elk. | ||
| These big herds of elk are so confident that people won't shoot them when they're in the public tourism area that they just go and hang out near the vending machine. | ||
| So I'm getting a Diet Coke and there's an elk like 30 yards away from me. | ||
| It's so strange. | ||
| That's a little bit in line with what I'm talking about when I talk about when I hear someone's dog got killed by a coyote. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, and again, man, I know like my brother has this little dog he just loves and they're inseparable. | ||
| If that dog got carried off by a great horned owl and a healthy great horned owl could carry this dog off. | ||
| It's like a little shitting dog. | ||
| I would feel real bad for him. | ||
| So with that said, I do have this thing where you kind of root and I do feel sad when I see like in a place like Yellowstone. | ||
| This is where it gets a little bit weird. | ||
| When I see wild animals, especially animals that people hunt for, when I see that they've lost their fear of humans, some people would look and be like, oh, this is what naturally they should be like. | ||
| So this is animals where they've had to give up their human, where they've lost their human fear because we've given them this wild place. | ||
| I see... | ||
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Old-timey, old-timey Steve Rinella. | |
| Dude, I'm real sorry, man. | ||
| I... That's a good dude. | ||
| Joe Farinado, I'll call him. | ||
| He's a good guy. | ||
| People see... | ||
| In like a Yellowstone Park atmosphere, you see where wildlife becomes habituated to humans. | ||
| And they feel like they're seeing something more natural, right? | ||
| Because outside of human hunting, they all of a sudden don't have that feeling anymore. | ||
| I look at that and I see that it's like, to me it feels like something's been subverted and something's wrong with that situation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it sort of depends on how fresh your perspective is. | ||
| Because, I mean, people have been hunting, you know, people have been hunting in that area. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| At least 10,000 years. | ||
| So then we take like a 100-year break and the animals become very accustomed to people. | ||
| It's shocking how quickly they can get it back. | ||
| And oftentimes those same elk that live, like the same elk that will spend their summer in that park, will migrate out of there and go into National Forest and on ranch land. | ||
| And then they'll be where they can be hunted. | ||
| And they know. | ||
| They cross that line. | ||
| So the same elk that some dude could basically walk up and touch there... | ||
| Will, just something in his head switches and they enter into a new mind space when they leave and they're still exposed to human predation. | ||
| And if they wind you, they'll bolt. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| It's shocking how... | ||
| It's shocking the degree to which they can keep this together in their heads. | ||
| And it's also pretty surprising how quickly they adapt. | ||
| I would imagine if you were to open up This would be a pretty controversial idea, but I'll throw it out there. | ||
| Let's say you were to open up hunting in Yellowstone National Park. | ||
| I think that it would probably be less than a year. | ||
| I think a season, a fall hunting season, would have them right back into the same mindset that all the other... | ||
| Animals that live with human predation, their sort of attitude toward people. | ||
| I think they'll very quickly get it back. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| But yeah, people going up and petting stuff. | ||
| Again, like referring to Cal, his idea is that like people have gotten to where they confuse national parks with amusement parks. | ||
| And they feel that the animals are like on rails. | ||
| They're on tracks. | ||
| Yeah, and it's like they're programmed to do a certain thing. | ||
| But it's still wild. | ||
| It's one thing that I've discovered over the last seven years, thanks to you and thanks to you getting me hunting, is that most people have no idea what it's like to be around actual wildlife. | ||
| To sneak up to them. | ||
| Most people have no idea about their sense of smell. | ||
| Like to see an animal wind you and then just fucking bounce. | ||
| To see that and to know that you're dealing with some superhuman ability. | ||
| Impossible to imagine with the confines of your own biology what these animals can do. | ||
| And when you're out amongst them and there's no cell phone service and there's... | ||
| It's just footprints and Trekking your way through mountains. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I mean, it's not Yellowstone. | ||
| What Yellowstone is, and anything like that, and zoos is the worst example, right? | ||
| But when we think of animals, people always tell me, because I have a famous dog. | ||
| I've run with him all the time, and he's on my Instagram. | ||
| It's like, everybody loves him. | ||
| He's the sweetest dog in the world. | ||
| I love that dog. | ||
| If you love dogs, how could you hunt animals? | ||
| And I'm like, well, he's not an animal. | ||
| He's a dog. | ||
| He's a pet. | ||
| He's a science project. | ||
| An animal is a wolf. | ||
| An animal is a deer. | ||
| That's an animal. | ||
| What a dog is, they don't survive outside of us. | ||
| If you don't take care of them, they won't know what to do. | ||
| They'll hope that the dog catcher comes and gets them and somebody rescues them. | ||
| They're not wild animals. | ||
| It almost has less to do with how they're raised than And more to do with their ancestors. | ||
| Like, their biology has changed. | ||
| They've literally been bred to something different. | ||
| They're a fucking science project. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you see my dog. | ||
| He's got floppy ears. | ||
| He's a sweetheart. | ||
| Everybody who meets him, he drops to his back and he wants you to rub his belly. | ||
| He's just the sweetest dog in the world. | ||
| That is not a dog. | ||
| I mean, it's not an animal. | ||
| There's not an animal like that that would ever exist out in the wild. | ||
| Because if he sees another dog, he's like, hello, are you my friend? | ||
| He's not like checking to see if the thing's going to steal his food or rob him of his mates or kill his babies. | ||
| Yeah, it's the result of a 20,000 or whatever year experimentation with the domestication of an animal. | ||
| Yeah, so mostly when they say they love animals, they don't even fucking know any They don't even know what they are. | ||
| They see the caged animals at the zoo They see the animals on a rope that they they take to the dog park. | ||
| They think they know what an animal is They don't even have any experience with it. | ||
| We've been so domesticated and so isolated in cities most people especially most people that have opinions on this shit and You know, people that live in rural areas, I mean, you know that. | ||
| You live in Bozeman, and Bozeman is, you know, surrounded by these areas that are just fucking completely wild. | ||
| I mean, if you're in Bozeman, you can drive an hour from your house, and then you're around bears and deer and eagles. | ||
| I mean, it's a completely wild place. | ||
| But people that are in those areas, people around Boise, Idaho, for example, They have a totally different idea. | ||
| People in Wyoming. | ||
| They have a totally different idea of what wildlife is versus somebody who lives in Santa Monica. | ||
| There's a video that somebody sent me today of a guy in Thousand Oaks is on his street and he's filming a fucking enormous mountain lion. | ||
| I mean, it is huge. | ||
| It's a big boy. | ||
| It's like 150 pounds. | ||
| And they're in the car and they're looking at it through the window and him and his son, it seems like, are filming this thing going, Holy shit, look at this thing. | ||
| It's right there in the street, a big-ass cat. | ||
| And he was saying that somebody was feeding it, apparently. | ||
| And they're trying to figure out what... | ||
| You want me to send it to you? | ||
| I'll send it to you. | ||
| But that's super rare. | ||
| I mean, that's a real wild animal. | ||
| It's super, super rare that anybody would have any kind of experience with one of these things. | ||
| And most people that are talking about animals just really don't know what that even means. | ||
| They're just saying it. | ||
| Yeah, I think that there's developed a... | ||
| A pretty big cultural division between people who live around, work around, and deal with animals, and people who... | ||
| View them or think of them as very other. | ||
| A friend of mine who's a biologist... | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I'm sending you another one. | ||
| I sent it to you. | ||
| It's from Thousand Oaks. | ||
| I just sent it to you. | ||
| That's one, though. | ||
| That's a recent one, too. | ||
| A buddy of mine who's a biologist with the Forest Service, a guy named Carl Malcolm. | ||
| He might have heard on our show. | ||
| He just sent me a paper... | ||
| That was about kids' attitudes to wildlife, and it was comparing rural people's attitude and knowledge of wildlife, kids, with urban and suburban attitudes about wildlife. | ||
| And you can see the input of media when you look at this thing, because people who live in an urban or suburban environment When they tell you the top-of-mind wildlife that they know about, it's non-native stuff. | ||
| Like lions? | ||
| Yeah, they're likely to know what's an animal, right? | ||
| And an animal would be like, oh, it'd be like a giraffe, right? | ||
| And people who have a more rural or remote... | ||
| Viewpoint are much more likely, when they think of wildlife, to think of things that they interact with. | ||
| And not like the things that are on your mobile above your crib when you're a little baby. | ||
| And also, there's a slight tendency, I've got to look at this more carefully, but there's a slight tendency to have negative feelings or things that are dangerous or bad the more urban you are in terms of native wildlife. | ||
| To more recognize it as like a negative or bad thing. | ||
| And what they're pointing to is, again, I want to look at this much more carefully and pardon me to the authors if I'm messing this up. | ||
| I was just looking at it this morning. | ||
| What they're pointing to is the stirrings of there being a greater acceptance of decreased biodiversity. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Meaning that you're kind of like okay with the bad things having gone and we're focused on like what are animals? | ||
| Well, animals would be like a giraffe and hippopotamus and the things that Disney tells me about and not like opossums and raccoons which are kind of gross. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| You know? | ||
| You got that video? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Look at this fat boy. | ||
| Play this thing. | ||
| It's a collar, isn't it? | ||
| Yeah, it's got a collar on it. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I can see that better. | ||
| There's a lot of them out here that have collars. | ||
| We got a photo that we just had commissioned. | ||
| It should get here soon, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's huge. | ||
| Of the big cat that they photographed near the Hollywood sign. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It looks like it's staged. | ||
| I mean, the cat is walking right by the trail camera in the Hollywood sign. | ||
| Oh, it's that dude that sets up those famous... | ||
| Yeah, it was in National Geographic. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good picture. | ||
| Yeah, we got one printed on that picture right there. | ||
| I mean, come on, man. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That is a goddamn crazy picture. | ||
| It's a giant cat. | ||
| Like, look at the forearms on that motherfucker. | ||
| Well, it's got that saggy stomach. | ||
| But it bums me out looking at that collar. | ||
| There was a conversation that you had on your podcast about shooting a deer. | ||
| That's our favorite subject, yeah. | ||
| About shooting a deer that's wearing a collar, and I'm with you. | ||
| I'm with you 100%. | ||
| I don't want to shoot a deer that's wearing a collar. | ||
| I don't care if it's wild as fuck. | ||
| If they caught it when it was a baby, and they just waited and measured it and then let it go, and it didn't have a collar, and I saw that deer, I wouldn't think twice about shooting it. | ||
| But if I saw it and it was wearing a collar, I'm like, I'm out. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| But there's a really funny thing, and you probably caught wind of this, or know about this, is that it's a big deal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To shoot a duck with a band on it, everybody knows it's cool as shit. | ||
| Like, I know that. | ||
| Everybody wants to shoot a band in... | ||
| Most people listening to this don't know that. | ||
| It's cool as shit if you get a banded duck. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Well, it's a little bit social science, because long ago, like, we used to not understand... | ||
| This is kind of a little bit tricky to explain. | ||
| We used to not understand how migrations worked. | ||
| Because everyone only knew what they saw. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And there wasn't someone who was sort of like coalescing all of this information. | ||
| People would know very well. | ||
| Like, you know, wherever. | ||
| You live along the Mississippi River. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And you might know very well that like in November... | ||
| Shit loads of ducks that you haven't seen, they haven't been here all year, are coming from the north and going to the south. | ||
| And you knew that very well. | ||
| You knew that ducks moved, you knew that they moved through here, but you didn't put all of the, you had no way to put all the pieces together. | ||
| Over time, we wanted to understand animal migrations better. | ||
| This is way pre-collars, like GPS collars and pit tags and shit. | ||
| We started this banding system where you could go and catch a duck in its nesting area. | ||
| There's like times a year when it's really easy to catch ducks. | ||
| One, you can catch them when they're young and you can catch them when they molt. | ||
| So people would go out and put a band on a duck and you could go up in the Arctic or the upper Midwest, anywhere, and throw a band on a baby duck. | ||
| And that band would have a phone number on it. | ||
| And you were encouraged. | ||
| When you got a banded duck, it was like they made it be that it was a good thing. | ||
| And you were encouraged to call that 1-800 number, or whatever the hell they were before 1-800 numbers, and give them the band, the band number. | ||
| And then we started to really, with great detail, map out flyways, how ducks migrated. | ||
| The ducks on the Arctic Slope in Alaska tend to follow along this path, and they tend to end up Here, at this date. | ||
| They're down in, you know, whatever. | ||
| They're down in Texas all of a sudden, or they're down in Southern California. | ||
| They're hanging out in rice fields around Sacramento, whatever the hell it is. | ||
| We started to put together this whole detailed picture. | ||
| And it was one of the great achievements in wildlife biology, was what we learned from the duck banding system. | ||
| So I think that Over time, it became, like I said, it was sort of like social engineering where people were taught to think it was cool. | ||
| And you would wear a band. | ||
| If you had a lanyard where you keep your duck calls on. | ||
| This still goes on. | ||
| If you got a lanyard where you have your duck calls on, any banded bird you get, you put that band on your lanyard. | ||
| I even met these knuckleheads from North Dakota who... | ||
| Have a lot of bands on their lanyards from banded birds they've shot. | ||
| And you'd be like, dude, that's a lot of bands. | ||
| And he goes, yeah, not one of them's reported. | ||
| They think that it remains more pure. | ||
| Dude, I don't know. | ||
| That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. | ||
| It's the dumbest shit? | ||
| I wish you guys did call. | ||
| Why wouldn't anybody want to contribute to all this? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You'd have to have a calling component to your show, and we would call one of these dudes and have them explain in greater detail. | ||
| I remember thinking, that's the most fucked up thing I've ever heard. | ||
| I don't think you'd want to talk to that guy. | ||
| He's like, yeah, they're all unreported. | ||
| Anyways, I don't know if it's an anti-science thing. | ||
| You love to argue. | ||
| Did you talk to that guy about this? | ||
| You know, it was long ago. | ||
| I could tell you where I was standing. | ||
| I was in my brother's kitchen in Miles City, Montana, beneath this crazy chandelier he bought online. | ||
| And I remember everything about it, but I don't remember if I challenged him on the sense of being proud of having not contributed to our scientific understanding of waterfowl migrations and why. | ||
| Maybe like a sort of anti-government sentiment, like some black helicopter stuff. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Regardless. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Some malicious shit. | ||
| It's cool to have bands. | ||
| And I have like in my sort of, I have like a box where I put important stuff to me. | ||
| But imagine if you had a box of deer collars. | ||
| Dude, there's no way. | ||
| I wouldn't put a deer collar. | ||
| That's what I'm getting at. | ||
| I was like, those are cool, but collars are not. | ||
| And we had a friend, there's a friend of mine who's a, she's a, does a lot of carnivore research and other research projects named Carmen Van Bianchi, which is a cool name. | ||
| But She says that, you know, I'm someone that collars animals. | ||
| And I even think that, she's like, when you get one with a collar on it, she said, it was cool, we talked about this the other day, she's like, someone has already got the best of them. | ||
| That they become tainted when they've been held by someone else. | ||
| And that's a little bit how I view it, where a wild animal, you want to imagine it being the wildest wild animal. | ||
| And once it has a collar, it's all sloppy seconds, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, isn't that why the allure of Alaska is so interesting? | ||
| Because it's one of the rare places where, like, if you run into a caribou in Alaska, there's a high probability that- Never encountered a person. | ||
| Never. | ||
| It doesn't even know what you are. | ||
| Like, you've seen videos of hunters walking towards caribou with, like, their bow on their head. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And the caribou's like, what in the fuck is this? | ||
| They don't even know. | ||
| They think that bow is a rack. | ||
| Their assumption, in areas where I've been, Particularly like up on the Arctic slope. | ||
| No, that's not true because I've seen a lot in the mountain ranges too in South Central Alaska. | ||
| When they see your movement, their assumption is that you're a caribou. | ||
| That's like, it seems, I can't, you can't get in their head. | ||
| But their assumption is that like, oh, I better go check it out. | ||
| And then I'll circle downwind and make sure it's not a, make sure it's not a grizzly or a wolf or whatever. | ||
| But they're like, you know, something that weighs a few hundred pounds, a couple hundred pounds, whatever, walking around. | ||
| Probably a caribou. | ||
| And they're just like, come on over. | ||
| They come to you. | ||
| Until they can rule it out. | ||
| But they're gregarious and they want to find each other. | ||
| And that sort of thing winds up giving you a little bit of a sense of... | ||
| It makes you feel a little bit bad for them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're not tuned in like a mule deer is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then you realize it's just like living like that. | ||
| I mean, these are things that could migrate. | ||
| They migrate hundreds of miles. | ||
| Have you hunted an axis deer yet? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Axis deer in Hawaii is the most perverse, strange, but necessary hunting that I've ever experienced. | ||
| Yeah, and you know what? | ||
| And... | ||
| They don't have, like on Hawaii, they're not dealing with natural predators. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Just people. | ||
| They're just very in tune to their predator being people. | ||
| I imagine that they probably, the same way that we carry with us a sort of natural abhorrence of snakes, a natural abhorrence of spiders, I would imagine that they come from a... | ||
| You probably know a little bit better than me because you spent more time with axes deer. | ||
| They probably come from a very predator-rich environment, I'm guessing. | ||
| Oh, originally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| India. | ||
| And carry with them a real high, strong sense from having dealt with very efficient predators. | ||
| Tigers. | ||
| Yeah, they evolved to get away from tigers. | ||
| They've got to be high-strong. | ||
| They're the fastest things I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| I have videos of one where I shot at this one from 55 yards, 15 yards away. | ||
| He sees the arrow coming 15 yards away from him, and he's like, zoop! | ||
| Docs it. | ||
| He's out of there. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's like they kind of understand that things coming towards them kill them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they are hunted 365 days a year. | ||
| Because they have to. | ||
| They're so overrun. | ||
| There's somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000 to 30,000 deer on this one island with 3,000 people. | ||
| And you've never seen herds like this before. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I want to bring you. | ||
| I hunted them years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I remember the area I had been hunted very, very heavily. | ||
| Do they call them does or hinds? | ||
| Hinds. | ||
| They had been hunted very heavily. | ||
| Stags and hounds. | ||
| And my God, from my very limited perspective, from just a small set of experiences that happened over a couple days, it seemed like the pressure on the males had been extraordinary, where it seemed it seemed like the pressure on the males had been extraordinary, where it seemed like you would Per stag. | ||
| I don't know if that's common there or not. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| I remember being very surprised by that. | ||
| It's almost 50-50 when you go to these areas that are in Lanai and apparently the same thing with Maui. | ||
| They're everywhere. | ||
| There's so many of them. | ||
| Maui has a real eradication sort of program underway. | ||
| Which is controversial, right? | ||
| Very controversial. | ||
| But they're also selling it. | ||
| They're selling... | ||
| Like venison sticks and venison jerky and there's companies that are establishing these conservation efforts where they're going out and they're shooting X amount per year, like 6,000 per year, which doesn't even put a dent on them. | ||
| Is the goal eradication or is the goal just to limit? | ||
| Limit them. | ||
| But they eradicated them from the Big Island. | ||
| Somebody had put them on the Big Island. | ||
| Somebody had taken them from one of the other islands and put them on the Big Island. | ||
| And they had spent millions of dollars to eradicate them. | ||
| Forgive me, stop me if we spoke about this before, but there's kind of an interesting perspective that someone gave to me about Hawaii, where we have this list, you know, Hawaii is just dominated by non-natives, okay? | ||
| I might be wrong about some of these, but I don't think I am. | ||
| Bread, fruit, coconut... | ||
| All the major fruiting trees are non-native. | ||
| And so much of the wildlife is non-native. | ||
| I mean, they have surprising shit. | ||
| They have wild turkeys, there's wild cattle, pigs, Axis deer, I think there's black buck antelope running around. | ||
| Wild horses? | ||
| Chuckers, pheasants. | ||
| They hunt horses. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was talking to a guy one time that snares cattle. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I don't know if he does it illegally or not. | ||
| But he snares cattle. | ||
| My mom's, I guess I would call it, you know, technically he'd be my stepfather, but it feels funny. | ||
| My mom, my stepfather, my mom's husband, who she married after my dad passed away, he grew up snaring whitetail deer with garage door cable. | ||
| But they were like, they were farmers and they just ate. | ||
| And that was sort of his relationship with deer, setting garage cable snares. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just using that as a source of food. | ||
| They were just hungry, you know, poor. | ||
| But anyways, in Hawaii, right, those islands were colonized by humans like 1,100 years ago. | ||
| And so now we have like native Hawaiians or Hawaiians, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I've spoke with some Native Hawaiians who feel that there's this uneasy relationship between what we're regarding and describing as non-Native wildlife, even down to pigs. | ||
| Even though their ancestors, you know, 1,100 years ago, brought the pig to the island. | ||
| And someone expressed to me very simply, he's like, how can I be Hawaiian? | ||
| Like, I'm Native Hawaiian. | ||
| I damn sure I'm Hawaiian. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he was kind of pissed about this attitude towards, because these are guys that like to hunt and eat a lot of wild game, about this attitude to access deer and this attitude to pigs. | ||
| And you hear the same thing out of Australia. | ||
| You hear the same thing out of New Zealand, which is guys who have this difficult relationship with... | ||
| The things that they've come to hunt, and the things that have sort of been culturally accepted, culturally accepted as wildlife, right? | ||
| Where people, you know, I don't want to use environmentalists here in a way that makes it be that the hunters aren't necessarily environmentalists, but in ways where some people with what they would describe as an environmental agenda want to see species eradicated. | ||
| The people have been interacting with for 100 years, in some cases, Like in Hawaii, in some cases, perhaps a thousand years. | ||
| They've been interacting with it on the landscape. | ||
| But then someone wants to come and say, we want to get rid of it because it's not native. | ||
| And it causes a ton of tension. | ||
| Where it creates a weird situation for people in some of these places is that hunters have long justified their actions to the public as being that we're controlling Right? | ||
| We're like controlling non-natives, so we're doing a good thing. | ||
| But then someone says like, oh, you know, I got a better idea. | ||
| Let's just kill all of them. | ||
| And then the hunter's like, whoa! | ||
| Well, you know they did that often. | ||
| I don't mean like that. | ||
| There's an island off the California coast that was filled with elk and deer. | ||
| Oh, what was it called? | ||
| I don't forget. | ||
| See if you can find it. | ||
| They eradicated all of them. | ||
| They just machine gunned them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just helicopters and just eradicated all of them. | ||
| Are you familiar with the practice in those cases where they have a Judas animal? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's good shit. | ||
| There's a great article about, or a podcast about that from Radiolab, where they kept sending this Judas goat to the Galapagos, and he'd find the other goats and like, da-da-da. | ||
| They'd gun them all down. | ||
| This Judas goat would be like, where are my friends? | ||
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Fuck! | |
| And just keep wandering off. | ||
| He's sterile, so he can't breathe. | ||
| Oh, is that right? | ||
| And he'd go to find these other goats, and they'd follow the collar, the GPS on the collar, and find the new group of goats, and they'd gun them down, too. | ||
| That would begin to wear on a human. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think goats entirely know what's going on. | ||
| The other day we had a meeting with our kids. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We had a meeting with our kids. | ||
| Santa Rosa Island. | ||
| So Santa Rosa Island. | ||
| Dude, I was there not long ago. | ||
| It used to be filled with elk and deer and people had sort of set it up. | ||
| Santa Rosa Island elk. | ||
| They had set it up. | ||
| Pro hunters hit Santa Rosa Island. | ||
| I think they mean professional. | ||
| In that case, I would have used professional, not pro. | ||
| Murderers. | ||
| Deer murderers. | ||
| And this is in 2011. So it was a fairly recent thing where they eradicated all these animals. | ||
| Yeah, I just not long ago fished off there. | ||
| It's supposed to be amazing fishing. | ||
| The Catalina apparently is like the greatest mako shark fishing in the world. | ||
| Here's a weird one. | ||
| Shark fishing, all of a sudden you're an asshole. | ||
| It used to be with jaws, like you caught a shark. | ||
| Hey, good. | ||
| Get that fucking thing out of here. | ||
| They're going to kill people. | ||
| Now it's like, you monster. | ||
| Shark's fin soup. | ||
| Don't you care about the... | ||
| Don't you know there's global warming? | ||
| Like, everything is conflated. | ||
| It's all, like, piled on together. | ||
| Like, what are you doing with a shark? | ||
| You used to be able to buy Mako shark in a restaurant. | ||
| Oh, you still see it, but I saw a thresher shark the other day on the menu. | ||
| I did a magazine story about this long, long ago. | ||
| It was right when I got out of school, and it was the first assignment I had to go write an article, and I was writing it for an outside magazine. | ||
| This was 19 years ago, man. | ||
| And there was a thing called Mako Madness, and it was this thing in Montauk. | ||
| You know what's funny about doing this? | ||
| This is in 2000, and I got sent out there and had never, ever been to New York. | ||
| I didn't even go into the city. | ||
| I just flew into wherever the hell I flew into and got a car and stupidly took a cab to... | ||
| I didn't understand. | ||
| I was very young. | ||
| I didn't understand. | ||
| I took a cab from the airport out to Montauk. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| How much did that cost? | ||
| I don't even remember. | ||
| I remember when I had to determine my expenses. | ||
| People were like, what? | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| But anyways, it was funny because I remember driving along and seeing the summer before. | ||
| It was like a year before. | ||
| And seeing the Twin Towers, you know? | ||
| And it was like my first ever view. | ||
| And I never saw that place again. | ||
| I never saw it again until after. | ||
| But there's this thing called Mako Madness. | ||
| And it was like a shark tournament. | ||
| And traditionally it had been like a contest to get the biggest shark. | ||
| And they would bet money on it. | ||
| And there was the general registration fee. | ||
| So all these captains who had charter boats would join Mako Madness and they would book clients on their boats for Mako Madness. | ||
| And you had to pay some amount of money to register your boat To be in the contest. | ||
| But the real money was in all these side bets called Calcutta's. | ||
| And so there was enough side betting going on around all the various captains that the biggest Mako could win $100,000, a couple hundred thousand dollars to catch the biggest Mako. | ||
| But sort of the fatal flaw in this tournament, from a public perception standpoint, would be that there was a category for just biggest shark. | ||
| And there was a category for biggest Mako. | ||
| So, people going out, like, at a time, this is when shark populations are still, you know, and globally, they're still on a decline. | ||
| But there was still a lot of shark bycatch from swordfish, longlining, and other things. | ||
| And people were getting very worried about shark stocks and shark numbers. | ||
| And at one time, Mako Madness, there was a lot more Makos. | ||
| Like, people would be registered Makos. | ||
| But there had been some years where Mako Madness had no Makos. | ||
| People weren't bringing in a mako. | ||
| So everyone would go out and just make damn sure that, like, I don't want to come back empty. | ||
| So they would catch a blue shark. | ||
| Because if no one caught a mako, you still might get biggest shark from catching a blue shark. | ||
| And at the end of this thing, man, they had dumpsters. | ||
| They would fill a dumpster with blue sharks. | ||
| And no one would eat it? | ||
| Dude, no. | ||
| It would go into a dumpster. | ||
| But you can eat blue shark? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you can. | ||
| They're high in urea. | ||
| It's like everything else. | ||
| Yes, you can. | ||
| So mako is the most edible? | ||
| Mako, thresher. | ||
| Can you eat a great white? | ||
| You know what's funny about great whites? | ||
| There's a writer I love, and he does all these fisheries guidebooks named Vic Dunaway. | ||
| I don't know if he's dead or alive, but I got all of his books. | ||
| He's got Gulf Coast, Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Coast. | ||
| He does these books. | ||
| It's like all the fish that you're likely to catch. | ||
| Kind of like how to catch him. | ||
| What I like about it, he's got a food quality section. | ||
| And his food quality sections are really funny. | ||
| And the highest praise is he can give something like excellent or one of the best. | ||
| So if you look up Snook, it'll be like one of the best. | ||
| His headline for Great White Shark, it says, don't even ask. | ||
| But people feel that they'd be good because salmon shark are good. | ||
| They used to call them poor beagles. | ||
| Salmon shark have a very good reputation, and makos have a good reputation, and threshers have market value. | ||
| And there's other sharks in other areas that have market value, but those ones are ones that are popular table fare. | ||
| The assumption is that great white sharks would probably be good. | ||
| It must be somebody who's eaten one. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure there's plenty of people that have eaten them. | ||
| But at this Mako Madness thing, I can't remember the point I was getting at. | ||
| What the hell was I driving at by talking about Mako Madness? | ||
| Oh, in this article, I got into the history of where shark hunting and killing sharks came from. | ||
| You're familiar with Jaws, right? | ||
| Well, sort of the shark fisherman character in Jaws is based on this very real dude, Frank Mundus. | ||
| And Frank Mundus used to fish out of Montauk. | ||
| And at a time, Montauk was this premier destination for people catching swordfish and big bluefin tuna. | ||
| And as those big pelagic fisheries had collapsed from overfishing, In the 70s, Frank Mundus, he'd go out and he'd just go out and find a, you know, he'd go out famously, he'd go out and find a beached whale, or not a beached whale, but a floating dead whale. | ||
| And he'd anchor up on that whale and catch big ass great whites. | ||
| And then come in and hang the bloody carcass up on the docks. | ||
| And he made necklaces with tooth sharks and shit. | ||
| And he became like the monster man or something, or the monster hunter. | ||
| And started booking all these crazy trips where tourists would come and be like, holy shit, I want to go kill a big monster. | ||
| And he's credited with having created this culture of going out and getting, yeah. | ||
| Is that him? | ||
| That's Frank Mundus. | ||
| Let me see that picture upper left. | ||
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Dude. | |
| There he is. | ||
| He kind of built this idea of shark hunting. | ||
| Is he on a shark bite in his forearm? | ||
| Go back to that. | ||
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That'd be interesting if Frank Mundus did. | |
| Something took a bite out of that motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah, so he's got the necklace, the dead shark, and Frank Mundus kind of like spawned this sort of thing where you'd want to go out and catch a big shark and hang it up and then throw it in a dumpster. | ||
| And people look at, like, when people look at that history, they look at it being as like, it's like, in some ways, Mundus and shark hunting was symptomatic of declining fisheries. | ||
| Look at that picture of him and the dude from the movie. | ||
| They're so similar. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| The black and white and the color next to each other. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| What was that guy's name? | ||
| The guy in the movie. | ||
| Can't remember. | ||
| What was the actor's name? | ||
| That guy was fucking awesome. | ||
| What a great scene. | ||
| You know Mo Fallon? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's still his favorite movie, I think. | ||
| It's a great movie. | ||
| Dude, he loves Jaws. | ||
| It's a great movie. | ||
| It's interesting that the narrative... | ||
| Next time you see him, have him convince you that Jaws is the greatest movie ever. | ||
| It's a great movie. | ||
| It's a great movie. | ||
| Richard Dreyfuss? | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| The narrative of Shark's Fin Soup and sharks being something that we need to protect, that's sort of... | ||
| It's a new thing. | ||
| It's only existed over the last decade or so. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah, it used to be if you caught a shark, like, good for you. | ||
| You're keeping it from killing someone who's swimming or someone who's surfing. | ||
| The idea of shark's fin soup and its lure was driven whole new one time when we were in Berkeley and we were at a boat launch and we'd come off fishing and we'd been out fishing for leopard sharks. | ||
| Remember The Life Aquatic? | ||
| That's a good movie. | ||
| Do you like his stuff or no? | ||
| Bill Murray? | ||
| Love him. | ||
| No, I mean like the director, Anderson. | ||
| Wes Anderson. | ||
| Oh, what has he done besides that? | ||
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Fucking World Tenenbaums. | |
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah, I like that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think his masterpiece is The Life Aquatic. | ||
| But in there they got the famous shark and there's the jaguar shark, which is a good idea for a shark. | ||
| I don't think it exists. | ||
| But there are leopard sharks. | ||
| We were fishing for leopard sharks. | ||
| We came back to the boat launch and there's a dumpster there. | ||
| Everybody cleans their fish and throws the fish guts in the dumpster. | ||
| I remember there was a gentleman digging through the dumpster, getting out leopard shark fins and heads and stuff. | ||
| I took pity on him. | ||
| I thought that he was acting out of some sort of desperation. | ||
| And I said, hey man, do you want like a nice filet? | ||
| I'd be happy to give you a filet. | ||
| He's like, no. | ||
| Just the fins. | ||
| Just to make soup? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you ever had it? | ||
| No. | ||
| I've had it. | ||
| Shark fin soup? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you enjoy it? | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| It was like, it's okay. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| It's definitely not worth eradicating a fucking entire species for. | ||
| No, it's a little disgusting. | ||
| It's a little disgusting. | ||
| And, you know, I'm always reluctant. | ||
| Like, I'm always reluctant to... | ||
| I'm a little bit reluctant to sort of oversimplify things around harvest and animals and stuff because... | ||
| I think people can take it too far. | ||
| But if you've seen footage of people cutting fins... | ||
| And dumping the sharks in the water. | ||
| And kicking the sharks off the deck into the water. | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| But it speaks to something. | ||
| I think that seeing live, finless sharks going into the water speaks to something about just your level of care. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Whether you view something as sacred or not, it's hard to see that the individual engaging in that is viewing it as sacred. | ||
| There's a lot of stories about even swordfish captains Burning blue sharks and stuff and effigy because they lose so much of their swordfish to catch the blue sharks. | ||
| But to see people kicking them off, it speaks to something about animal suffering. | ||
| It speaks to something about what is that person's view of the resource? | ||
| How do they respect it? | ||
| But it also speaks to a general thing where you don't see things wasted. | ||
| My understanding about one of the things that slowed in US waters, one of the things that slowed Finning was just, you used to be able to go out and you could fill your hold full of just sharp parts. | ||
| If you were a fishing captain, you could just be like, oh, I'm just going to keep the fins. | ||
| And eventually they made it, I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong here. | ||
| I don't think I am. | ||
| They eventually made it that whatever you have for shark materials in your boat on a commercial operation, only a certain percentage can be comprised of fins. | ||
| And since when you're on a commercial vessel, your hold, like the area where you keep iced fish is finite, it's limited, it wound up being not worth it. | ||
| Because let's say only like 30% of your shark parts could be shark fins and you had to keep the rest. | ||
| It wasn't worth it to fill your hold full of like shark meat. | ||
| And so it sort of de-incentivized people to go out and fin in U.S. waters. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| I had it a long time ago. | ||
| I had it back in probably the 90s at a Chinese restaurant. | ||
| In the U.S. or overseas? | ||
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In the U.S. Pretty sure. | |
| Pretty sure it was the U.S. Yeah, I don't think I'd ever traveled overseas in the 1990s. | ||
| I barely remember it. | ||
| How old were you when you first went overseas? | ||
| Overseas. | ||
| Sounds like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like old sailors. | ||
| I'm trying to... | ||
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I think I was in my 30s. | |
| So Canada doesn't count as overseas. | ||
| No. | ||
| You can walk there. | ||
| Nor, because of the dairy gap in Central America, when you go to Argentina, is it overseas? | ||
| It can be. | ||
| If you come from Florida, right? | ||
| It depends on how you go. | ||
| If they flew dead nuts over Central America, did you go overseas? | ||
| It seems like it's kind of overseas. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like a bad term. | ||
| But you didn't have occasion to travel a lot when you were young. | ||
| Well, I traveled a lot from fighting all around the country when I was young. | ||
| And then I traveled a lot for comedy inside the country. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| So there was a lot of traveling. | ||
| But traveling to another country was like, ugh. | ||
| What am I doing? | ||
| What am I going over there for? | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just more travel. | ||
| It took me a while to get used to the idea of traveling for a vacation. | ||
| When, you know... | ||
| The idea of vacations, like going on vacation somewhere in Europe, I'm like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| I'm not traveling for fun. | ||
| I don't like traveling. | ||
| I want to sit still. | ||
| Yeah, I got you. | ||
| Whenever I get a vacation, I just want to stay put. | ||
| And then I realize, ah, you just swallow it, just deal with the flight, and the next thing you know, you're in this really cool place. | ||
| It took a while for me to sort of adjust my view on that. | ||
| Yeah, like you have a hard time taking leisure. | ||
| I used to. | ||
| I used to have a hard time taking leisure. | ||
| Now I look at it like sleep. | ||
| Like you need sleep. | ||
| And I think you need leisure. | ||
| And I think particularly for a creative person, for a person who writes and comes up with things, you need downtime. | ||
| I just had a buddy of mine, we were having this conversation about that, where he was saying that he feels like he's just working too much, just doing too much comedy, he's not taking in enough. | ||
| Just putting too much out, not taking in enough. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| That's a pretty good point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's almost like you have to think of it as a diet. | ||
| What is your mental diet? | ||
| Your physical diet is obviously very important if you're an athlete, but if you're a creative person, you have to have an awareness of your mental diet. | ||
| If you're just taking in sugar all the time, just nonsense and junk food and bullshit, your brain is filled with uninteresting, uninspiring thoughts. | ||
| And, you know, the same sort of typical narrative over and over and over again. | ||
| Whereas if you can figure out a way to go to Thailand or something like that, you go, whoa, these people are living a totally different life. | ||
| This is a totally different way to live. | ||
| And even if it's ever so slightly, it broadens your perspective. | ||
| I can only really relax when there's nothing I could possibly be doing. | ||
| And my kids aren't fighting. | ||
| I was laying. | ||
| I had to do this insurance policy thing. | ||
| I've told this story a thousand times, but I haven't told you. | ||
| I had to do this insurance policy thing, and I had to lay on my couch. | ||
| This dude comes over to my house to take my heart rate and do a bunch of health tests. | ||
| Anyways, I'm laying on my couch. | ||
| He's got this monitor hooked up to me. | ||
| He's got to do it for a long time. | ||
| I can't remember how many minutes, but it's like a long, it's not like going to the doctor for a checkup where they just like take your pulse from it. | ||
| Like he's really like checking your shit out. | ||
| And I can hear my kids now and then like a little fight flare up upstairs. | ||
| And I asked the dude, I'm like, can you see that? | ||
| He goes, oh, I can see that. | ||
| Me hearing it. | ||
| Me hearing that, like, no! | ||
| Or Matthew! | ||
| That's mine! | ||
| Like, your heart. | ||
| But my older brother, Matt, who's a very thoughtful, somewhat eccentric person, he now says that he's going to sleep nine hours a night. | ||
| Which seems like an extravagance. | ||
| But he's, like, done the math on it. | ||
| And he says, if you're going to measure me in terms of productivity, I'll actually do more on nine than, let's say, six. | ||
| And you give me all those extra hours, but those extra hours aren't as productive anyways. | ||
| I had a podcast with a guy named Dr. Matthew Walker, who's a sleep expert. | ||
| He's written books on sleeping, and he talks about the vast amount of Americans that are under-rested and what an impact it has on your hormonal production, on your body's ability to recover, on your happiness, your body's ability to produce endorphins, and all these different variables that are extremely important to happiness and to productivity. | ||
| And he's like, the vast majority of people are fucking themselves over. | ||
| Vast majority. | ||
| In great ways. | ||
| It increases the possibility of dementia and Alzheimer's and all these different factors. | ||
| If you look at guys like Ronald Reagan famously slept like four hours a night. | ||
| They've got fucking Alzheimer's. | ||
| It's really common with people that have a very small amount of sleep and they take pride in the fact they're always pushing the needle. | ||
| Those people, eventually, the bearings start going. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you take caution to sleep? | ||
| I sleep a lot. | ||
| I get good sleep. | ||
| I'm very lucky. | ||
| One of the things about, because I exercise so much, is that I'm always tired. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, when I hit the hay at night and I get home from the comedy store, I fucking crash. | ||
| I go down hard. | ||
| I get a good, solid eight hours sleep almost every night. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| When I'm in a groove of, like, being careful about taking care of myself and, uh, Yeah. | ||
| Doing like a lot of regular exercise. | ||
| How much your appetite for food and your appetite for sleep? | ||
| The appetite for meat. | ||
| That's the big one. | ||
| Increases greatly. | ||
| Well, my wife started lifting weights and one of the first things she said is like, God damn, I want meat like all the time. | ||
| She's doing squats and shit. | ||
| She's got this crazy Russian lady who's her trainer. | ||
| Lady the fucking savage. | ||
| And they're just doing all these crazy squats and box jumps and that kind of shit. | ||
| She's like that Russian in the Rocky movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That dude was on to, what's it called, where people go to the clubhouse and roll rocks and shit? | ||
| Oh, like CrossFit type shit? | ||
| Yeah, that dude was on to CrossFit before. | ||
| His trainer in Russia. | ||
| There's machines in Rocky that I have out there. | ||
| Versaclimber? | ||
| I found out about Versaclimbers watching that Rocky movie. | ||
| When Drago was on that thing, I was like, man, he looks like he's working hard. | ||
| That fucking VersaClimber, that's a bitch, man. | ||
| You ever do that thing? | ||
| No, I haven't, but I'd like to. | ||
| You do 30-second sprints, and it's like... | ||
| With your legs and your arms. | ||
| Yeah, you're just pedaling, and it's like you're climbing, and you can increase the resistance, so it's like... | ||
| For grappling, there's nothing like it. | ||
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It's amazing. | |
| I can picture it. | ||
| Everybody hates it, though. | ||
| Most people, they'll gravitate towards the treadmill, the elliptical machine, or other things. | ||
| They look at that thing like, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Yeah, because it's not fun. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| Yeah, you don't get lost in it. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| It's horrible, but it's amazing. | ||
| When you refer to how you fill your head up, what you fill your head up, if it's just junk and sugar and how much time you have to process stuff, One of the things I've noticed, and it's begun to startle me a little bit, is I used to find in social situations that I would be very interested in letting people know what I thought about stuff. | ||
| Even shit that I had no business talking about. | ||
| And I think that you see people, like when you see someone who's older, and we have this idea of an older, wiser person, and they're just taking in everything, and they've learned to be quiet. | ||
| People don't really think about the fact that maybe they're just sick of hearing themselves talk. | ||
| That too. | ||
| The saddest thing is, though, is an old moron. | ||
| I want to say yeah, but I think you need to explain a little bit. | ||
| Like an old racist, an old dummy, an old person who has ridiculous archaic views of women or ridiculous archaic views of society and culture and immigration, all these different things. | ||
| Like a person without nuance, an old person who's not learned from the humbling experiences of life and has not looked at himself in his own folly and has a humorous take on it. | ||
| That's a good description. | ||
| You paint a flattering portrait. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I think about it a lot. | ||
| I don't want to be that guy. | ||
| I encountered a dude like that not long ago where we decided that we were going to take our kids We're going to take our kids out to eat, and I don't want to have to deal with any kind of added noise. | ||
| There's this truck that sells tacos. | ||
| It's called El Rodeo or something. | ||
| I'm like, let's go to that taco truck and eat, because I don't want to talk to anybody and deal with anybody. | ||
| My wife convinced me to go to this brew pub. | ||
| So we go down to the brew pub and I'm already pissed off because I'm kind of half mad at my wife for making this be in a potentially social situation. | ||
| And I'm sitting there and this old man walks past me on his way out of the restaurant and he's got a do not resuscitate bracelet. | ||
| He's got a little, you know those four pegged canes? | ||
| He's got a four pegged cane. | ||
| There's probably a name for that. | ||
| And a do not resuscitate bracelet. | ||
| And he walks out with his wife, girlfriend, whatever. | ||
| And she wanders off. | ||
| And he's just standing outside the restaurant. | ||
| And it's just killing me to know what that's all about. | ||
| So I grab my older boy. | ||
| And we walk out. | ||
| And I'm like, you know, I couldn't help but notice you have a bracelet that says do not resuscitate. | ||
| What's that all about? | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I said, do you just feel that if it's your time, it's your time, and you don't want modern shit to interfere in sort of what you imagine to be the way things go? | ||
| And he explains to me, he's like, no, he's pissed. | ||
| He's already pissed. | ||
| He was probably pissed before I talked to him. | ||
| He's like, I don't want oxygen, I don't want CPR, I don't want nothing. | ||
| And he goes, because I was having a heart attack. | ||
| And they resuscitated me and broke two of my ribs. | ||
| Therefore, I don't want to be resuscitated. | ||
| I remember thinking like, but you were having a heart attack. | ||
| Like the trade-off seems minor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But just like he was so kind of just pissed. | ||
| That they broke his ribs. | ||
| That he couldn't even see. | ||
| I'm like, another way of looking at it would be that they saved your life. | ||
| But he just wanted to suffer his heart attack. | ||
| With ribs intact, and at this point, would just rather die than have broken ribs. | ||
| Or something like, I couldn't even begin. | ||
| And all of a sudden, I thought he was interesting, and all of a sudden, I didn't think he was interesting anymore. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's such an unfortunate perspective. | ||
| It's not a great story, but do you see what I'm saying? | ||
| No, it is a great story. | ||
| Because if he said, hey, I had a good time. | ||
| There's only enough room for so many people. | ||
| That's what I thought I was going to get. | ||
| That's what I thought I was going to get. | ||
| Looking forward to meeting Jesus. | ||
| Yeah, I thought I was going to get that. | ||
| So much so that I brought my boy with me. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Because when I was a little kid, my dad would go out of his way to have weird people over to the house. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It was important to him to expose his kids to weirdos. | ||
| So I was like, come on, son. | ||
| We're going to talk to this crazy old man with the do not resuscitate bracelet and you'll learn something about life. | ||
| That's a crap. | ||
| I'm like, never mind. | ||
| Forget that guy. | ||
| How hilarious is that? | ||
| The trade-off of broken ribs for life. | ||
| Broken ribs, it takes like a couple of months and you're fine. | ||
| Yeah, you want to be like, dude, you're at a brew pub with your girlfriend and she's going to get the car. | ||
| You don't want to continue this far. | ||
| Like, that's not bad. | ||
| Not bad. | ||
| That's not bad. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| You just suffer for a little bit. | ||
| One of the things about growing up with martial arts is you're always injured. | ||
| So you don't look at injuries the way some people look at injuries. | ||
| You look at injuries like, I gotta go get this fixed. | ||
| You gotta get it fixed. | ||
| I've had both my knees reconstructed. | ||
| I've had a bunch of shit. | ||
| My nose reconstructed. | ||
| I've had a bunch of shit fixed. | ||
| You just get it fixed. | ||
| It's like, I fucking tore this thing. | ||
| I'm gonna go get it fixed. | ||
| I don't view it that way. | ||
| Giannis had meniscus surgery. | ||
| Giannis Poutelis had meniscus surgery on his knee. | ||
| And what's crazy, you'll have something to say about this because this is kind of in your world a little bit. | ||
| I developed a knee ache that I had for months. | ||
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Left knee. | |
| Because of him? | ||
| No, I don't know. | ||
| Well, now I don't know. | ||
| Pregnancy weight gain things? | ||
| At the time, I would have told you. | ||
| No, after this. | ||
| At the time, I would have told you that my knee absolutely hurt. | ||
| And my knee hurt. | ||
| And the pain drifted around. | ||
| And it hurt all the time. | ||
| And I was acutely aware of the pain in my knee. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And I had it built up. | ||
| And then I had made the mistake of having like a passing conversation with an orthopedic surgeon who's like, oh, you know, it's probably this or that. | ||
| You can fix it. | ||
| But then it got worse and worse and worse. | ||
| And I finally go down to a doctor to do all the scans and shit. | ||
| He's like, you know, you have some arthritis. | ||
| You could probably solve the problem with some physical therapy. | ||
| There's like a band that runs down from your hip and I think that's like flaring up and that's why the pain bounces around. | ||
| And dude, it wasn't two days later that pain was gone. | ||
| I said to Giannis, I'm like, man, I feel like psychologically frail. | ||
| I feel like there's a very thin membrane that separates my brain from my body. | ||
| And Giannis said, there is no membrane that separates your brain from your body. | ||
| And I can't rule out now that I'm mentally pretty weak. | ||
| Because the minute someone told me there's not actually a problem where I need to get a surgery, I now try to feel the pain, but I can't find it. | ||
| And there's no corresponding hiking or anything that contributed to it where you weren't doing it once it felt better? | ||
| Well, one day in the spring, me and my buddy Pete Munich went out looking for blackberries during blackberry season. | ||
| And this was when I really thought I had a knee problem. | ||
| And we went out, and we didn't hike a long ways. | ||
| We hiked maybe six miles. | ||
| And I came back and noticed, but it was real mucky. | ||
| You know when you're walking and your feet keep sticking in the muck and then your feet build up a layer of muck on your boot bottom and then it comes off and then you're walking cockeyed because your other boot hasn't shed its mud layer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We had one of those walks. | ||
| And after that walk, the pain went away for two days. | ||
| But yeah, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's like a deep fear of being old and shit. | ||
| That's real. | ||
| My eyesight's going bad. | ||
| Mine too. | ||
| I see you wearing those little glasses. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| And I saw you a minute ago. | ||
| You didn't have them and you couldn't barely look at your phone. | ||
| No, I can read that. | ||
| You had to hold it unusually far away, I felt. | ||
| What was I reading? | ||
| Like that I can read. | ||
| I can read that. | ||
| That's not a problem. | ||
| No, I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| You tipped your head up and tipped your eyes down and held it far away, I felt. | ||
| I do do that. | ||
| I do do that sometimes, but mostly with my phone, that's not an issue. | ||
| I can read emails and shit. | ||
| The real problem is laptops, like a laptop with small text or reading that, like that piece of paper in front of you. | ||
| That's fucked. | ||
| Like, if I had to read that... | ||
| I mean, I could do it, but I gotta do this. | ||
| Talking Monkey Incorporated. | ||
| Podcast called... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Joel's reading my release. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just reality. | ||
| You know, your body starts to deteriorate. | ||
| There's nothing you can do about it. | ||
| Yeah, Giannis views it as, like, all this, like, journey of life shit, right? | ||
| Yeah, but he's all into, like, weird... | ||
| Giannis is into strange stuff. | ||
| He thinks you can kind of manifest things. | ||
| He just believes that... | ||
| He believes... | ||
| I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I feel that this is a long debate we have about psychological states. | ||
| I feel that you can have pessimistic thoughts, but as long as you behave like an optimist... | ||
| You'll get the same outcome. | ||
| Meaning, let's say you go hunting and you have feelings like it's never going to work out, we're never going to get one, but you do everything right. | ||
| It doesn't matter what's in your head because your actions are such. | ||
| He doesn't like to entertain the negativity. | ||
| He doesn't like to entertain the negativity because he feels that... | ||
| But I'm like, but what does it matter if we still hunt hard? | ||
| What does it matter if I feel like it won't work? | ||
| As long as we hunt hard, it doesn't matter. | ||
| And I think that he feels, he would argue that that mental state affects outcomes. | ||
| And so he applies this to all the aspects of his life. | ||
| Having a sense of positivity. | ||
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| I think there's a benefit to having a sense of positivity in the sense that you're gonna enjoy the experience more. | ||
| If you're always walking around pessimistic and then things happen that are good, you're like, wow, look at that! | ||
| Alright! | ||
| Well, tomorrow's gonna suck! | ||
| That was a fluke! | ||
| Whereas if you just are appreciating the fact that, hey, here I am living in America, you know, I'm healthy, I don't have cancer, Like, it could be so many things worse that are wrong with me. | ||
| I could have been born with weird birth defects. | ||
| I could have been born in, you know, El Salvador with no feet. | ||
| I could have been, you know, living in some fucking drug-ravaged community. | ||
| I'm lucky. | ||
| Just extremely, unbelievably lucky. | ||
| Like, if you had given the opportunity to be Steve Rinell, if you were some guy who was living in some terrible third-world country with, you know, awful... | ||
| Drug cartel violence all around you. | ||
| What would you give to be a regular guy living in Bozeman, Montana in a beautiful place and have a healthy, happy family and a great way to make a living? | ||
| Like, what do I got to do? | ||
| What do I have to do? | ||
| You're giving me patriotic stirrings, which I'm inclined to. | ||
| I'm inclined to it. | ||
| That's why I got an American flag back there. | ||
| But dude, yeah. | ||
| Be like, oh... | ||
| I can have a TV show. | ||
| I can start a business. | ||
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Yes! | |
| Just have children. | ||
| I don't think people in this country understand how lucky. | ||
| They go to, like, great school. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| For free. | ||
| Insanely fortunate. | ||
| Down the road. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's not a lot of places like that anymore because people have fined those places and fucked them up and overpopulated them, but there's a few of them left. | ||
| You just got to deal with extreme weather. | ||
| The extreme weather is the barrier for pussies. | ||
| It keeps them out. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No one's moving to fucking Montana. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| That's why we just tried to buy Greenland. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| Got shot down. | ||
| I like the idea of that, though. | ||
| I like it, too. | ||
| I think it's hilarious. | ||
| You see his fucking post where he said, I promise not to do this, and he showed a picture of Greenland with a giant Trump towel on it? | ||
| I looked at it this morning. | ||
| That guy's funny. | ||
| He might be an asshole. | ||
| People might hate him. | ||
| He might be a problem as a president. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| You can't deny that occasionally he is fucking hilarious. | ||
| No, it is funny. | ||
| And I think that... | ||
| People try, there's certain people that try hard to not see the humor in any of this. | ||
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| I've retweeted it. | ||
| I was like, get on with your bad self, Mr. Trump. | ||
| Look, I don't read my Twitter posts. | ||
| I'm sure a bunch of people got mad at me for that, but I don't read it. | ||
| I just post and forget it. | ||
| I just get out of Dodge. | ||
| I just leave little packages and I get the fuck out of there. | ||
| You know what's funny about that picture? | ||
| I found myself zooming in, trying to see what those people in those houses had going on. | ||
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| Well, Greenland has so much natural resources, and it's also probably a place that's going to be an awesome spot to live in 100 years when the fucking rest of the world's on fire. | ||
| Maybe I'll wind up there, man. | ||
| Yeah, well, muskox. | ||
| We were talking about that yesterday, muskox. | ||
| Jamie pulled up a thing, a statistic on muskox that the success rate for bow hunting is 100%. | ||
| In some units. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| In Greenland. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| In Greenland. | ||
| Because, you know, they huddle up to protect themselves against wolves, so they just stay in a spot when they see a threat, which is great for wolves, but not so good for projectiles. | ||
| Yeah, and I've hunted them before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Apparently, they're delicious. | ||
| Brendan Byrne said that they taste like the best Kobe beef. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He said it's like really marbled. | ||
| It's tough, but good and marbled. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what's funny is the, well, I mean, tough, like, Yeah, tougher. | ||
| But what's funny about... | ||
| I drew a permit. | ||
| In Alaska, the way they... | ||
| Let me try to find another way to approach this. | ||
| Any American, speaking of America, land of opportunity, any American can apply for a permit to hunt for muskox in Alaska. | ||
| And what units are available to you if you're not an Alaska resident vary. | ||
| And I believe right now the only area that you can apply for a permit as a non-resident might be Nunavac Island. | ||
| And I drew a permit to hunt muskox on Nunavac Island. | ||
| I saw that episode. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there, the Chupik Eskimo, and a bunch of people would be like, you can't say Eskimo, but it was funny because I asked the Chupik man who I was staying with. | ||
| I'm like, you know, I feel like I'm always told not to use Eskimo. | ||
| And he said, what the hell else would you call me? | ||
| So, I'm going to say, in deference to what this man prefers to be called, he's Chupik Eskimo, I'm not something else. | ||
| I think the Canadian folks like to be referred to as Inuit or First Nation. | ||
| Yeah, in the high Arctic, yeah. | ||
| But I think it's created a lot of confusion. | ||
| But it was just interesting that on this... | ||
| Alaska coast along the Bering Sea, a Chupik man was telling me that that is what he prefers to be referred to as Chupik Eskimo. | ||
| But the way that we, you know, like we, you know, people consume wild game or talk about meat, we're always like, when we're raiding meats, we tend to talk about tenderness or not tenderness, right? | ||
| It was tough. | ||
| It was tender. | ||
| It was tough. | ||
| It was tender. | ||
| Tender being good, tough being bad. | ||
| I mean, you've been involved in a hundred of these conversations. | ||
| This true big man was like, we prefer it to be tough. | ||
| You know that tendon that, like, if you look at the spine of an animal, the vertebra above its shoulder will have like a, what's called a thoracic, a longer thoracic process, like that blade that comes up? | ||
| There's a tendon that runs from the top of those thoracic processes out to the neck, and it allows like big animals. | ||
| It's really exaggerated on moose, bison, muskox, where it's like the size of your wrist. | ||
| This giant tendon that's moored to the top of those thoracic processes that allows this thing to hang its head. | ||
| Which, I mean, the head is 80 pounds or whatever. | ||
| And it hangs off there. | ||
| They like that thing. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Real chewy meat. | ||
| How did they cook that? | ||
| They would cook the muskox. | ||
| They would basically boil them. | ||
| They would take the tough parts of the muskox and almost purposefully make it more tough. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| By kind of like flash boiling it. | ||
| And they would talk about like, this cut's good. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Not, ooh, it's so tender. | ||
| Why do they like that? | ||
| Did they explain? | ||
| Varied preferences. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| But I liked it quite a bit, man. | ||
| What was funny is I gave a bunch of muskox... | ||
| To a Guatemalan woman in Seattle that we knew. | ||
| And I gave a bunch of muskox to her and she made me a bunch of tamales. | ||
| So I had Guatemalan style tamales. | ||
| With muskox? | ||
| With muskox. | ||
| And we made a deal where I gave her a bunch and I said, you can keep half of what I give you. | ||
| Make tamales and give me half the tamales. | ||
| So we struck a deal and I had a freezer full of freaking tamales wrapped up. | ||
| And I would laugh about that my kids would have muskox sandwiches or muskox tamales and they'd go down to school with them. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, it was great. | ||
| My kids freak out other kids at school. | ||
| You know, like kids at my kids' school will be like, what's your favorite food? | ||
| My daughter will be like, I like bear! | ||
| She thinks it's hilarious that she's eaten bear. | ||
| You know, she likes to tell people, bear sausage, it's my favorite. | ||
| And the other kids are like, what the fuck? | ||
| You know, kids that have never experienced any wild game. | ||
| And my kids have eaten, you know, since... | ||
| 2012, when I started hunting, they've basically eaten everything. | ||
| They've eaten elk, they've eaten deer, they've eaten ducks, they've eaten wild turkey, they've eaten everything. | ||
| How are they viewed in their community? | ||
| How are you viewed in that school parent community? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's hard to tell. | ||
| Do you go to the events? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I gotta go to one today. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm a weirdo, for sure. | ||
| Are you ostracized? | ||
| But I'm friendly. | ||
| No, I'm really friendly. | ||
| It's all hugs. | ||
| I'm a nice guy. | ||
| So when I see those folks, it's all friendly and hugs. | ||
| But some guys will pull me aside and ask me about manly activities. | ||
| Because they feel like, you're actually allowed to be a man. | ||
| And everyone's neutered. | ||
| So many guys, their wives are yelling at them, and I'm off doing cage fighting events. | ||
| Where were you last week? | ||
| I was bow hunting. | ||
| I was in the mountains with no cell service. | ||
| And so they might be inclined to be like, I don't like that for middle America rednecks, but it's okay for you. | ||
| Well, they know me, right? | ||
| So they don't – the preconceived notion – and they know I'm a good dad. | ||
| They know I'm very active and I'm constantly around my kids and I take it very seriously and it means the world to me. | ||
| So like parents, one of the most important things that I find is good parents respect good parents. | ||
| They see that you love your children. | ||
| That's an interesting point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, if you find someone who's like a dismissive parent and is not interested, a disinterested parent, it's like one of the most disturbing and disappointing things. | ||
| If you love someone, you care about them, and then you find out they're a bad person or a bad parent, you have to reevaluate your perspective on them. | ||
| Because to me, being a parent, and my wife is huge on this, it's like it's everything to her. | ||
| she will not talk to someone or hang out with someone if she feels like they're a bad parent and she she forms her relationships with her friends based on whether or not they're good parents it's it's everything you know if you're you know you're contributing to this community so when i'm around these parents you know i'm a nice guy so it's all it's all friendly but they all have questions all these poor men that are stuck in cubicle jobs you know men men are tortured you You know, it's like that, who was it? | ||
| Thoreau? | ||
| Yeah, most men live lives of quiet desperation. | ||
| Yeah, it's one of my favorite all-time quotes. | ||
| Including Thoreau. | ||
| Well, he knew what he was talking about. | ||
| You know, it's these most people are just living this boring ass fucking life, and I'm living this life where I'm telling jokes in front of thousands of people, and then I'm doing podcasts in front of millions of people, and then I'm hunting, and then occasionally I go off and I do cage fighting commentary. | ||
| It's like a caricature of masculinity, really. | ||
| Yeah, people get confused. | ||
| Well, it is. | ||
| And then I smoke pot, so it's like, what's going on here? | ||
| One of the early things that surprised me about you is... | ||
| Man, I don't want to use that word because I don't want it to be insulting. | ||
| One of the things that... | ||
| One of the things that surprised me about you, but it sounds like asshole-ish, is how serious you take being a parent. | ||
| Because I think that someone could look, like, someone could at a glance look, be like, oh, you know, discussion of drugs and, like, dirty humor, and sort of go like, those are not congruous with parenting, but you take parenting, like, extremely seriously. | ||
| But you don't, I don't think you, you're not like, you're not so concerned with, uh, People understanding a full package that you need to spend shitloads of time telling everybody about how good of a parent you are. | ||
| Yeah, I'm not interested in that. | ||
| I'm interested in love. | ||
| As a kid who grew up with sort of a deficit of it, And it's very important for me to spread as much of it as I can, whether it's through my friends or through children. | ||
| And children, it's like the most important responsibility because my friends, they're fine. | ||
| I met them, they're grown-ups, they'll figure it out on their own. | ||
| I'll help them when I can, but kids... | ||
| It's like, you get one shot at that. | ||
| You get one shot at raising kids, man. | ||
| You can't redo it. | ||
| You can't go, oh, this one sucks, let me rip it up and start from scratch. | ||
| You have to do it right. | ||
| And you're going to make mistakes, for sure, but you have to spend as much conscious time talking to them and interacting with them. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I enjoy it. | ||
| One of the things that you get afraid of about damaging your children Is that you would leave a legacy of damage. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, you can have... | ||
| I have all kinds of things that I did in my life and ways I treated people. | ||
| And I could sit here and name names, right? | ||
| Like, things I did to people that were very unfortunate. | ||
| I wish I hadn't done it. | ||
| Someday, maybe I'll call them and apologize. | ||
| But if you... | ||
| When you damage your kid, man. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're setting... | ||
| You're, like, creating a string of decades... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Decades of destruction. | ||
| They will do the same to their kids. | ||
| And it sort of reflects how selfish or selfless you are, whether you do a good job or a shitty job. | ||
| Unfortunately, I have some friends that are not that good at it. | ||
| Comics in particular, there was a... | ||
| I don't want to say any names, but there's a guy who was friends with the son of a famous comedian. | ||
| Let me track that for a minute. | ||
| A guy who I know who grew up with the son of a very famous comedian. | ||
| Sometimes I get confused when people talk about my cousin's brother's uncle. | ||
| Yeah, I know I'm with you. | ||
| And he was telling me that his dad was a piece of shit and he hated him. | ||
| And I'm like, God damn it, dad's one of my heroes. | ||
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It's hard. | |
| When you talk to the actual son of the man and he's like, yeah, my dad's a piece of shit. | ||
| And I'm like, fuck. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| Like, I don't know what to do with that. | ||
| You know, like, what do I say? | ||
| I mean, his art is amazing, is what he did to the world. | ||
| I mean, but what he didn't do was take care of his own backyard. | ||
| What he didn't do was take care of his own children. | ||
| I find that that creates some difficulty because there's some writers, not some, I mean, so many of them, writers, musicians, actors, who have blessed the world with what they've put out. | ||
| But then you look at the destruction they sowed in their immediate vicinity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you want to be like, well, do you condemn it? | ||
| Or are you just thankful that... | ||
| Or is that like collateral damage? | ||
| Unavoidable collateral damage in order to have the things that... | ||
| To have the things that we appreciate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there's also... | ||
| Do you kind of follow what I'm saying? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Well, Hendrix. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| This podcast is called The Joe Rogan Experience because I stole it from Hendrix. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| I was just thinking about that earlier when I was sitting in the back room there and you had that. | ||
| I was just looking at the experience wondering about where that came from. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jimi Hendrix experience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's 100%. | ||
| I stole it from Hendrix. | ||
| And then I read that he beat his girlfriends. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| I don't want to think Hendrix even got mad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I want to think he's that dude who put the bandana on and just played Voodoo Child. | ||
| When I worked with Phil Hartman, when Phil Hartman was a kid, I think he was like 17 or 18, Hendrix played at Whiskey, and he was there as like a roadie. | ||
| And his job was to keep the speakers from falling over. | ||
| So he stood there on the stage, and Hendrix was right there playing guitar in front of him. | ||
| And the way he described it, it was like his eyes were alight. | ||
| He was describing it. | ||
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He was right there! | |
| He was right there! | ||
| And he's playing. | ||
| I grew up just a giant Hendrix fan. | ||
| Like a giant fan of Led Zeppelin, Hendrix, The Doors. | ||
| It's all classic rock when I was a kid. | ||
| Suburban, Boston neighborhood type shit. | ||
| You draw Van Halen on your fucking notebook. | ||
| That kind of shit. | ||
| ACDC logos. | ||
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That's how I grew up. | |
| you know so i was trying to figure out a name for this podcast i was like man who the has affected me more in terms of motivation than hendrix because i'd listen to his music when i worked out i'd listen to his music oh that's great driving to gigs you know and plus he just seemed like so different you know just such a crazy anomaly in pop culture this african-american dude is like the greatest guitarist of all time you have all these rock guys and One of the things that eric clapton and said like he thought he knew how to play guitar Then he saw jamie | ||
| hendrix. | ||
| He's like what the fuck I realized he didn't like what am I doing? | ||
| Yeah, because he was just so out there. | ||
| He was so out there. | ||
| He was so different, you know Just a freak just an anomaly. | ||
| It's like hunting with remy warren I'm glad you guys got him doing a podcast. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Yeah, Hendrix. | ||
| I always point out to people how I grew up. | ||
| My dad discovered that I was left-eye dominant. | ||
| And all the hand-me-down guns were always right-handed. | ||
| But I had to relearn how to shoot everything left-handed. | ||
| So now I talk about how I was like Hendrix, where I had to shoot left-handed with right-handed guns. | ||
| Well, I shot my first deer with your gun, which is a left-handed gun. | ||
| Your rifle. | ||
| I had to cock it on the wrong side, remember? | ||
| No. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I believe it. | ||
| Your rifle. | ||
| It's out there, man. | ||
| The deer's here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it lost its position of... | ||
| Prominence to this Nazi helmet. | ||
| Yeah, to the Nazi helmet, right? | ||
| Yeah, it used to be right there. | ||
| Hey, did you see... | ||
| I don't want to change the subject, but I do want... | ||
| Did you see the video I sent you? | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Of the shark tagging the dude? | ||
| The Instagram video? | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah. | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Let me show you. | ||
| That's one of the things... | ||
| This is so crazy. | ||
| I get so many of those goddamn things sent to me. | ||
| No, I thought you'd appreciate it. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| I don't know what kind of shark it is. | ||
| Yeah, I'll send it to Jamie. | ||
| What kind of shark is it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it's a bull shark, maybe. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| I was almost dinner, he says. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Here, share two. | ||
| Oh, that was... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| It's fucking terrible. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| I'm terrified of sharks. | ||
| Do you think it's... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I thought he'd appreciate it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the mental presence of that guy. | ||
| Yeah, he kept it together. | ||
| Just to like, he's getting attacked by a shark and not only thinks to put his spear gun in its mouth, but pulled the trigger. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Suck it, bitch. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, look, that thing was coming in hot. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| That's some sharp thinking. | ||
| And he's attached to this fucking shark now, right? | ||
| Yeah, but he stones it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh yeah, it's dead. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, fuck sharks. | ||
| I wish there was more of them so you could say fuck sharks and not worry about it. | ||
| Yeah, now you can't. | ||
| It's funny, man. | ||
| You were talking about sharks. | ||
| You hear about guys that fish the Gulf Coast and Florida and shit and You've got to be very careful, because pulling a shark up on the beach, people will get pissed. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And they'll get pissed that you're fishing sharks because it lures sharks in. | ||
| Oh, so it's a double whammy. | ||
| Yeah, sharks have kind of entered, like, they've almost gotten, like, they've climbed, they've sort of moved in how we view wildlife. | ||
| They've made the jump. | ||
| They're up there with elephants. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Almost. | ||
| It's great news for a species, man. | ||
| If I was a different species, and I was trying to make my plan, my three-year plan, I'd be like, I want to elevate my species up to, I want to look at what the shark's done and get there. | ||
| Because that shit, that's where safety lies. | ||
| Right, like if you were an entertainer and you wanted to get to, I want to get to where Kanye is. | ||
| Like, if you were an animal, I want to get to where the sharks are. | ||
| Yeah, like if I was a possum, if I was a possum, I'd get with other possums and I'd be like... | ||
| What does it take to get to what an elephant enjoys? | ||
| I was discussing with my kids last night. | ||
| Because right now people don't consider possums. | ||
| No. | ||
| They hit them with a car. | ||
| No one cares. | ||
| People are like, oh, it's just a greener. | ||
| Just keep moving. | ||
| I was talking to my kids last night about racism in the insect world. | ||
| We were hanging out outside and my youngest daughter goes, oh, it's a roach! | ||
| Oh, it's a cricket. | ||
| And turns her back on this thing. | ||
| Like, has no concern at all. | ||
| She goes from being, oh, it's a cricket. | ||
| I mean, and just turns her back. | ||
| Same size. | ||
| Like, you know, same prospect of danger. | ||
| There's none. | ||
| It's just wandering around. | ||
| She thought it was a roach. | ||
| She was terrified. | ||
| And then it was a cricket. | ||
| I find crickets in my house all the time. | ||
| I capture them. | ||
| And I let him go. | ||
| I bring him outside, I let him go. | ||
| So we do this. | ||
| You know, this cricket is hanging out behind my daughter, and then my dog comes over and just fucking scoops it up and eats it. | ||
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And we're like, hey man, why the fuck are you eating a cricket? | |
| He's like laughing, smiling. | ||
| He thinks it's hilarious. | ||
| It's like, fuck, man. | ||
| He just ate a cricket. | ||
| Yeah, the racism, the species, or whatever, is... | ||
| You know, we used to have a rat infestation. | ||
| What is this, Jamie? | ||
| What do you got here? | ||
| Is the dog going to eat that bird? | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Oh, man! | ||
| That bird was like, hey little friend. | ||
| Jamie's one of the better internet thing finders. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| He's got a gold medal. | ||
| What do you call that? | ||
| It's like stuff finding? | ||
| Internet finding? | ||
| Have you seen that cat? | ||
| Yeah, I've seen that cat. | ||
| Somebody sent me that. | ||
| That's a muscular cat. | ||
| Yeah, he's rippled. | ||
| That cat looks like he's been running mountains. | ||
| He's been taking down some elk. | ||
| Yeah, he's ripped. | ||
| You know, you had... | ||
| Was it your podcast? | ||
| I mean, I know you had Elk 101. What is his name? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Corey Jacobson? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Jason Phelps. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Different guy. | ||
| Phelps Game Calls. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| Dude! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great podcast, too. | ||
| Well, he's a good guy for a ton of reasons. | ||
| You've never had Corey Jacobson on? | ||
| No, no, sir. | ||
| Never met him. | ||
| I'd like to. | ||
| I haven't met him. | ||
| I'd like to, too. | ||
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Phelps... | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, one, just as an isolated specimen, okay? | ||
| Like, no context, nothing. | ||
| If you just, like, met him because whatever. | ||
| You, like, want to try to park at the airport and you're trying to find a spot and he's pulling out. | ||
| You're like, hey, you pulling out? | ||
| Like, you'd like him in that context. | ||
| He would just seem like a good dude. | ||
| But kind of his business, it's kind of... | ||
| When I see him and his company, like, there's a thing that always pops in my head was... | ||
| There's a term like American elbow grease. | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| Let's tell people what he does. | ||
| He makes elk calls. | ||
| Yeah, he makes a wide variety of game calls, but he's very much specialized in elk calls. | ||
| It's like, grew up in a logging family, you know, in like a logging area. | ||
| And that industry at this particular time is a little bit in the autumn of its life expectancy in the area where he grew up. | ||
| But that's kind of his background. | ||
| And this dude was like interested in something, good at something. | ||
| Remember talking earlier like being an American, you know, the benefits of being an American? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not that we have a monopoly on it, but we have a lot of it, just like great benefits. | ||
| And this dude just like starts making game calls. | ||
| And like with his mom and his wife, like Builds a business, man. | ||
| And is a good dude. | ||
| It's called blowing a game call, right? | ||
| So he sends me this t-shirt that says, I blow Phelps. | ||
| And my wife is like, throw it out. | ||
| I was like, no. | ||
| You're never going to wear it. | ||
| I'm like, it doesn't matter. | ||
| It stays. | ||
| He's the nicest guy. | ||
| When you always say someone's the nicest guy, I don't know. | ||
| I value that. | ||
| That means everything to me. | ||
| Just like such a good dude. | ||
| I lose a lot of respect for people when they're really good at what they do, but they're not nice. | ||
| It's like, I get it. | ||
| You had to figure out how to be good at what you did, and what was sacrificed is community. | ||
| You sacrifice friendliness. | ||
| That's not necessary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not necessary. | ||
| It's a weakness. | ||
| I really believe that. | ||
| It's common. | ||
| It's a common weakness. | ||
| It's like thinking of yourself before others. | ||
| The problem is it's goal-oriented, right? | ||
| You're worried about achieving success or achieving a certain position or a goal. | ||
| But the problem is when you get to that goal, you're going to be depressed. | ||
| You're going to be sad because you don't have any friends. | ||
| Yeah, that's an interesting point. | ||
| You're fucked over your way to the top. | ||
| It's like you can't. | ||
| You have to see the trees. | ||
| You gotta see everything. | ||
| You gotta see the whole forest. | ||
| You can't just keep your eye on the prize. | ||
| Because you fuck over people and push them aside along the way and eventually you're gonna get... | ||
| But you have to fuck over some people. | ||
| And I don't mean fuck them over, but tell them to fuck off. | ||
| Like, there's some people that will get in your way. | ||
| People that are selfish. | ||
| That would trip you up, because you'll wind up being completely absorbed in their own problems. | ||
| And you're like, hey, you're not dealing with your own problems. | ||
| You've made me the curator of your problems. | ||
| Sometimes you have to know when to cut people loose, but you also have to... | ||
| I know that you're big on this, too. | ||
| You're big on tribe. | ||
| You have those guys that you travel with, or you do shows with. | ||
| This is like a tribe of you. | ||
| You have a community, and it's very important. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| I think that's very... | ||
| That's huge. | ||
| But it's a thing I've learned from my interactions with you and a thing I've seen is you don't parade it around and you don't talk about it too much, but you do talk about that there are some things where you just – you put up some firewalls in your life and the people that you're around. | ||
| And I have heard you refer to at times that something got too – In referring to people, it wasn't even like you were condemning them or thought they were bad, but you just referred to times when you've had to just sort of protect... | ||
| What you had and what you care about. | ||
| And just make some things not part of your life anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have to do that sometimes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You have to realize that there's some people that are not looking out for themselves. | ||
| Some people don't make that jump well. | ||
| And they keep that around. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They keep that influence around because of maybe misplaced loyalties. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I've noticed you bring that up a handful of times where you're like, something just got to be where you had to build. | ||
| You had to be like... | ||
| I love you, respect you, whatever, but I gotta protect these other things. | ||
| Well, some people get completely self-absorbed and they burn everything around them because they're only thinking about themselves. | ||
| And even if you love them and care of them or appreciate what they're doing, like some people are amazing at certain things. | ||
| Like, you know, we were talking about Hendrix. | ||
| I mean, if Hendrix did beat his wife, I don't know if that's true, or beat his girlfriends. | ||
| But it's like some people are so good at what they do that that's all they're thinking about. | ||
| And they didn't develop these interpersonal skills or relationship skills or whatever. | ||
| They didn't develop a sense of nuance in terms of their perspective of the world or a sense of introspective thinking when they're looking at themselves and being objective about how they interface with the people around them and life. | ||
| Those people that are just like wholly focused on the self, especially pure narcissists, which you run into a lot of them in show business, and some of them it's not their fault. | ||
| You talk to them. | ||
| If you believe in determinism and you believe that they're a product of all the things that have happened to them and then you run down The list of all the things that have happened to them, it's fucking bone chilling. | ||
| I mean, so many people that I know, particularly in show business, are there because of just a giant hole that they developed in their self-esteem and who they are as a child. | ||
| They didn't get enough love. | ||
| They got too much abuse and hate and bullying and all these varying factors that made them push so hard to achieve success, to let everybody know, hey, I am special. | ||
| Hey, I am something. | ||
| You were all wrong. | ||
| But along the way, they burn everything around them. | ||
| And I don't... | ||
| I don't want to... | ||
| It's possible to get there without that. | ||
| That's what I want to say. | ||
| It's possible to get there without being a piece of shit. | ||
| And some people think you have to be a piece of shit to be successful. | ||
| You don't. | ||
| You don't have to. | ||
| Remember earlier I mentioned the collateral damage? | ||
| Some people think you could develop such an inflated sense of what you're bringing to the world that you personally come to accept the idea that there is a price to pay. | ||
| That price being other people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's a problem. | ||
| But then again, if you don't have certain standards, then other people will chew up all your time. | ||
| And their problems become your problems, and they're not even thinking about their problems. | ||
| They're thinking about you thinking about their problems. | ||
| I mean, there's many people that pawn off their problems on other folks. | ||
| And they think that if you're a good friend, you're helping me. | ||
| Like, you're not a good friend. | ||
| You're not taking care of me. | ||
| You're not helping me. | ||
| I'm like, you're not even helping yourself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The fuck are you doing for yourself? | ||
| This is a trap that a lot of people get stuck into. | ||
| It's codependency. | ||
| It happens in a lot of relationships. | ||
| There's a lot of people that get involved in relationships, boy and girl, that they find that the person who is their soulmate is also the source of all their fucking problems. | ||
| And they're the curator of this person's life. | ||
| They're supposed to be helping this person along because this person has deemed them the person who's most important to them. | ||
| And it's like you gotta find out what's the boundary where you won't cross, where you realize someone is becoming an impediment to your own happiness and success. | ||
| It's amazing the degree to which people, deep down, do care about what someone is, quote, like. | ||
| Where I find that because I've been on your show a number of times, People are curious about you. | ||
| And people will often ask me, you know, what's Rogan really like? | ||
| But they know what answer they want to hear bad. | ||
| People would love a story, okay? | ||
| You think of something like Oprah Winfrey. | ||
| I've found that people love a story about how bad... | ||
| Like, people are going to eat up a story that she's awful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're like, ah! | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Like, people want a story about something bad, but what's funny about... | ||
| What you've done and how you've done it is that, and this happens quite often, where people are like, they're like, he's a good guy, right? | ||
| Like, they want to know. | ||
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Like, they feel like you are, and they want to have it confirmed. | |
| Not that they're like, ooh, yeah, tell me a story about him being bad. | ||
| Like they would with a lot of people. | ||
| If someone has a really bad story about Oprah, I'm like, oh, I'm all ears. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Why? | ||
| Well, I think, first of all, because Oprah is enormously successful in some sort of preposterous way. | ||
| She's worth a billion dollars for just talking. | ||
| She can't sing. | ||
| She can't dance. | ||
| She's not in good shape. | ||
| What is she doing? | ||
| She's just talking. | ||
| She's got a billion dollars. | ||
| Fuck her. | ||
| I hope she's a meanie. | ||
| I hope she's doing terrible things. | ||
| There's a thing about that. | ||
| It's like you want to find out, oh, she got that way because she's fucking people over. | ||
| Yeah, I heard she beats her assistant. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I heard she lit her sister's house on fire. | ||
| Like it makes sense of the world in some way. | ||
| Yeah, in some ways. | ||
| Like you want to think that someone who's achieved that ridiculous level of success is mean. | ||
| Like I passed by Oprah. | ||
| Oprah has a house in Montecito. | ||
| I passed by the house. | ||
| Like, that is a ridiculous house for a person. | ||
| It's like a giant lawn, $50 million house, a fucking huge estate. | ||
| It's a castle. | ||
| She's a queen. | ||
| You don't want that. | ||
| Like, fuck her! | ||
| My house is $250,000. | ||
| What the fuck is she doing with that $50 million? | ||
| And that's not even a house she lives in. | ||
| She just visits that like once a year. | ||
| Takes a shit there. | ||
| Has someone cook for her. | ||
| Takes a nap. | ||
| Gets up. | ||
| Flies in Jamaica. | ||
| Stirs in animosity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well... | ||
| You know, preposterous success breeds animosity. | ||
| And that lady's got a lot of preposterous success. | ||
| You know, there's certain people, you meet them, you want them to sell. | ||
| Like, Dr. Phil. | ||
| Like, he's a similar thing. | ||
| I would be receptive to a bad Dr. Phil story. | ||
| Yes, I'm sure. | ||
| He's great! | ||
| Dr. Phil is fucking great. | ||
| My friend Jay is Dr. Phil's son. | ||
| I became friends with Dr. Phil through another guy. | ||
| Through another guy. | ||
| Because my friend Ron White. | ||
| My friend Ron White, who's a good buddy of mine, is one of the best comedians on earth, is good friends with Jay McGraw, who's Dr. Phil's son. | ||
| So I became friends with Jay before I became friends with Dr. Phil, and then I had Dr. Phil on the podcast. | ||
| Dr. Phil's the fucking nicest guy ever. | ||
| He's a regular guy. | ||
| You hang out and talk to him, he's got a ridiculous amount of success, but he's hilarious. | ||
| He's like a regular dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Before we started, we talked about how we're both pro-marriage. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We root for marriages. | ||
| Right, but with kids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But marriage, when there's no kids involved... | ||
| I still root for them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| No, I root for marriages. | ||
| I root for happiness. | ||
| And sometimes happiness means divorce. | ||
| No, I root. | ||
| Well, I'm able to make the switch by even root for marriage. | ||
| I just root for marriages. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Well, because you, I know why. | ||
| Because you grew up in a fucked up sort of situation. | ||
| Where it didn't, you know... | ||
| You grew up with broken promises and divorces and separating and that kind of shit. | ||
| A lot of that had happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was stuff that had happened. | ||
| Well, for children... | ||
| Not for me, but it was around, right? | ||
| It was in our family history, for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mine, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I root for happiness. | ||
| Sometimes happiness means someone getting the fuck away from somebody. | ||
| You know my favorite story about... | ||
| People being a good guy. | ||
| I mentioned Mo Fallon earlier. | ||
| He's been on the show, so I feel like I can mention him. | ||
| Assuming that your listeners have this amazing capacity for retention. | ||
| Some of them do. | ||
| Mo Fallon's been on the show. | ||
| And Mo Fallon talks about... | ||
| Dude, this is like a fifth-hand story. | ||
| But Mo Fallon's buddy meets the guy that used to be like... | ||
| Who's the dude in the Nerds movie who'd go like, Nerds! | ||
| Oh yeah, who was that guy? | ||
| Ogre, yeah. | ||
| Okay, check this out. | ||
| Wow, what a fucking reference. | ||
| So, Mo's buddy meets the dude who was Ogre in the Nerds. | ||
| In Nerds, not the Nerds, Nerds. | ||
| I'm a fucking old man. | ||
| And the guy doesn't want to bring it up, but he can't help himself but bring it up. | ||
| He's like, you know, I loved you in Nerds. | ||
| So, the guy goes into this big thing like, he's like, do you have any idea what it would be like to... | ||
| Have your whole life defined by some role you did long ago. | ||
| And I'm a thespian. | ||
| And I do theater now. | ||
| And you people that bring this up all the time, nerds! | ||
| And he does it. | ||
| He is cool with it. | ||
| And rolls into it. | ||
| And the dude's relief that he enabled him to have that recollection. | ||
| He was always like, yeah, okay. | ||
| People are going to look. | ||
| And when I hear that now, if I see that guy, I'm like, that guy must be a cool guy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because he doesn't take himself too seriously. | ||
| Yeah, because he can roll with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There he is. | ||
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Nerds! | |
| Do you do pro wrestling or something? | ||
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Maybe. | |
| What's going on there? | ||
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No, I think that's good. | |
| Rancher the Nerds. | ||
| Oh, that's the movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, looks like a guy that you would cast in a role where he'd be mean to nerds. | ||
| Some people take themselves fucking super seriously. | ||
| That's one of the best things about my career. | ||
| I will forever always be the fear factor guy. | ||
| I don't think that's true. | ||
| It's definitely true with some folks. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, you can watch it. | ||
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It's on TV! No, I understand that, but I don't know that that's really the case with you. | |
| I feel like you might have a wrong impression of your legacy. | ||
| It's in there. | ||
| It's definitely in there. | ||
| It's in there, but it's not it. | ||
| Maybe it's not it, but if anybody wanted... | ||
| Like, poke fun at me. | ||
| That's always there. | ||
| And I would welcome it. | ||
| I don't think that happens. | ||
| Well, it would prevent me from taking myself, you know, if I want to pretend I'm some sort of moody artist that has always followed the path of creativity and artistic expression. | ||
| No. | ||
| I whored myself out for like six years. | ||
| I think it's in your head, but I don't think it's in people's head. | ||
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Maybe. | |
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's in some people's heads. | ||
| I can remember the first place. | ||
| You know what helps substantiate what you're telling me? | ||
| I know where I was sitting the first time I ever heard your name. | ||
| I know who I was talking to. | ||
| And unfortunately, I don't like to admit this. | ||
| This is a long time ago. | ||
| Unfortunately, the point of contact when I was like, oh, you're right. | ||
| Fear factor. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| Fucking millions of people saw that goddamn thing. | ||
| I need to tell you, too, that that was the first conversation when I ever heard the word podcast. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I know where I was sitting. | ||
| I was talking to Helen Cho, who you know. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I heard the word Joe Rogan and the word podcast and had no idea what either of those things were. | ||
| That's before you came on. | ||
| Dude, yeah. | ||
| I'm talking a long time ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not like... | ||
| I'm not, I mean, I have, I don't want to say I have my finger on the pulse, but I'm not like a Luddite. | ||
| That was when I heard the word. | ||
| The podcast was only three years old back then, when you first came on. | ||
| Now it's ten years old. | ||
| I think it was longer ago than that. | ||
| It was 2012. Okay. | ||
| Because that's when we went hunting. | ||
| Maybe in 2011, and we went hunting in 2012. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it was probably two years old. | ||
| The podcast was two years old. | ||
| And she said Fear Factor. | ||
| I'm like, oh. | ||
| The world of podcasting, man. | ||
| There was a funny Variety article that was just written that Conan O'Brien is blazing a trail in the world of podcasting and just got... | ||
| Just openly shit on by the entire world who read that. | ||
| Like, what are you talking about? | ||
| Like, no one's even... | ||
| Like, his podcast gets like 100,000 downloads or something in comparison to like Marc Maron or Adam Carole. | ||
| All these people have been doing it forever and ever and ever. | ||
| But it's still to this day like this sort of... | ||
| In mainstream views, in mainstream eyes, it's like just starting to gain recognition. | ||
| When some people, like Corolla, has been doing podcasts for 10 years. | ||
| And I think Maren has been doing it longer than me. | ||
| I've been doing it for 10 years. | ||
| So Maren's probably 10, 11 years in. | ||
| You know, it's a weird world. | ||
| How many years have you guys been doing it now? | ||
| Five? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Five years in? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I listen to your goddamn podcast every week. | ||
| I get excited on Monday. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Monday's my exciting day. | ||
| That's nice of you, man. | ||
| I really enjoy doing it, and I've tried to point out that if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have gone into it. | ||
| Well, you were really good as a guest, and I was like, man, this guy has so much unusual knowledge in his head, and you're so good at articulating thoughts, and you have a background in journalism, you're so eloquent. | ||
| Like, why wouldn't you do it? | ||
| And there's like this market for it. | ||
| For people that enjoy hunting and enjoy the outdoors, there's, you know, and I don't mean any disrespect to anybody who's making podcasts, do your best. | ||
| But there's a lot of clunky... | ||
| Poorly articulated thoughts that are being put out in podcast form. | ||
| And my thought was like, this is... | ||
| The word spiritual is a very weird word, right? | ||
| Because it's been sort of co-opted by assholes. | ||
| Has it? | ||
| In LA, for sure. | ||
| There's a lot of bead-wearing dipshits. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I'm with you. | ||
| But there's a spiritual aspect to hunting. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| And... | ||
| One of the things that I really appreciate about you is this idea of no shooting collared deer speaks to it. | ||
| It's like there's something about this that's not just about shooting an animal and eating it. | ||
| It's about the difficulty of their pursuit, what it means, and what you're getting out of it as a human being, and then also the recognition of what you're eating When you're eating this animal, this is a wild, beautiful creature that you respect and that there's a certain amount of a feeling of loss and sadness when that animal dies. | ||
| This is recognized and this is real. | ||
| It's hard for people to articulate that. | ||
| And I think it's very important that there's people like you out there that are articulating this. | ||
| And that the people can digest this in a podcast form and get it over and over again. | ||
| And they also get, because you always do these big groups of people, they get a sense of camaraderie too. | ||
| And where people are talking. | ||
| And there's also like a pride of hard work. | ||
| There's a pride that comes through that, which I think is very contagious. | ||
| Like the feeling of appreciating and respecting hard work. | ||
| The way that you were talking about Jason Phelps. | ||
| It's like that kind of appreciation for ingenuity and hard work. | ||
| I think it's very important for people. | ||
| It's very important for people to hear. | ||
| It gives you something that I don't... | ||
| In terms of outdoor, the outdoor world, whether it's hunting and fishing and just appreciation for wildlife, it's not publicly articulated on a broad scale. | ||
| You know when you referred to the camaraderie? | ||
| Which is super important to me. | ||
| When I thought about making a show, you know what I always had a lot of nostalgia for was Howard Stern in the mid-90s. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know what his show's like now. | ||
| Remember the era when it was, I mean, he may even still be on there, like, he'd have all these dudes around that were kind of, like, funny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there were so many people in the room, you couldn't tell who was talking. | ||
| It was just, like, people, it felt like people hanging out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I liked that, and I liked Fresh Air by Terry Gross. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I was like, dude, you should do a combo. | ||
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| Of Howard Stern and Terry Gross. | ||
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| That was the thing I thought about. | ||
| But the camaraderie, that's one of the things I like to see most when people write it and they feel like it's people sitting around shooting the shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which, you know, It's a very controlled shooting of the shit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| It's controlled. | ||
| Well, that's why a person like you is important. | ||
| There has to be one person that's sort of aware that we're all shooting the shit, but sort of gently guiding it. | ||
| Opie and Anthony was the same thing for me. | ||
| When I started doing Opie and Anthony in the early 2000s, I realized, wow, what is this? | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| People don't... | ||
| People that weren't fans of it back then, it doesn't exist anymore, unfortunately. | ||
| It was an amazing hangout for comedians. | ||
| We would all go there, and I would show up, and Ricky Gervais would be there, and Jim Norton would be there, and all these guys would be there, and Louis C.K. would be there, Bill Burr would be there. | ||
| We'd just be talking shit, and Ari Shafir. | ||
| We'd all be just laughing and chiming in, and even though it was 6 o'clock in the morning, you went and did it, man. | ||
| You had a cup of coffee, you showed up, and everybody was happy to see you, and it was a hang. | ||
| And it was a really loosely structured hang that they put together, and that inspired me to kind of do my podcast in a similar way. | ||
| I don't know how comfortable you are pulling back the curtain or showing how the sauce is just made, but I was talking to someone recently about you and sort of how you do your deal. | ||
| I was like, if you imagine... | ||
| Does this make you uncomfortable? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| If you imagine that someone... | ||
| I don't want this to seem like at all negative. | ||
| If someone read a transcript of what you ask, you wouldn't be like, oh my god. | ||
| But you bring out things in the people that you interview. | ||
| I like to listen to your show. | ||
| And you get something from people that people don't get. | ||
| Do you get it on purpose? | ||
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| I don't know what I'm getting. | ||
| I'm trying my best. | ||
| You are? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm trying my best to relate to people. | ||
| Do you ever say to yourself, you know what I ought to do different? | ||
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| That's the beauty of it all. | ||
| There's not that much thinking. | ||
| I mean, I do think with some people, like there's certain people like Cornel West. | ||
| I read his book before he came on. | ||
| I really wanted to be prepared because he's such a brilliant guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Same thing with like Sean Carroll, like scientists, you know, anyone who's like... | ||
| Yeah, you're paying respect to the complexity of their ideas. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And like if someone like Richard Dawkins, we're talking about doing a podcast soon, if I have him on, I will... | ||
| Devour his material for like a week or two beforehand. | ||
| I will read his books. | ||
| I will listen to recordings and conversations and debates that he's had. | ||
| And I already am a big fan of the guy, so I'll get a good understanding of where I'm at. | ||
| When we lead into the conversation, but then I won't have an agenda. | ||
| I would just, like, let the conversation flow. | ||
| And if there's a moment in time where I want to ask him, like, you said this thing about Islam once. | ||
| Like, do you mean this in terms of, like, a general understanding of the religion itself? | ||
| What about the individuals that are just trying to be good people that are born into this environment and this sort of a, you know, I will have some places to go to if we get stuck? | ||
| But I won't force those things in. | ||
| But I think it's like, with the risk of sounding pretentious, I think that podcasting is in a weird way an art form. | ||
| The art is in the people listening. | ||
| I know sometimes I talk over people or interject too much. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| It just happens. | ||
| There's no way you can have a perfect conversation because I don't know when the person's going to stop talking or I don't want to lose a thought and I want to jump in with it, but I'm way better at it now than I was five years ago and certainly way better at it now than I was ten years ago. | ||
| And then I think that there's an art to the way the things you're saying sound and how they sound to people. | ||
| And there's an art to expressing... | ||
| Genuine open-mindedness and genuine curiosity and just a purity of thought. | ||
| You're not trying to make people feel about you a certain way. | ||
| You're just trying to explore ideas. | ||
| And there's a smoothness to the way that's devoured by people when people are listening, the way they're consuming it. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| And the easier you can make it on people listening, the more they'll like you. | ||
| So like if they know, like, hey – That Steve Rinella guy, he loves his kids. | ||
| He's a nice guy. | ||
| His friends love him. | ||
| I like that guy. | ||
| Listen to what he says when he talks to John Norris. | ||
| What is John saying about this and about that? | ||
| It adds to it. | ||
| Is there someone who's... | ||
| Clunky and loud and they're just trying to toot their own horn and all that comes through, especially in this long-form podcast genre. | ||
| It's like, this is the fucking mirror, man. | ||
| With long-form podcasts, you find out who the fuck everybody is. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| Like, Bernie Sanders. | ||
| Like, I had Bernie Sanders on. | ||
| There's a lot of people that, like, the fucking comments were insanely positive. | ||
| They're like, I thought that guy was crazy. | ||
| Like, I thought he was a nut. | ||
| I would see him in these little interviews, and I'm like, he just wants to give away everybody's money. | ||
| Like, there's a picture with Bernie with my dog, and one of the fucking hilarious comments, like, he just wants to give your dog treats to other dogs. | ||
| That's the caricature. | ||
| I mean, everyone has a caricature, right? | ||
| The caricature of that guy is, he just wants to take money from successful people and give it to lazy people. | ||
| That's the worst view of Bernie Sanders. | ||
| And you get to see, instead of this narrative that gets established through these little short sound bites, these panel talk shows, there's three people talking over each other, or debates, or whatever it is. | ||
| All those are ineffective. | ||
| And what's interesting about it is all those are fueling podcasts. | ||
| All those things that have for so long been thought of as mainstream venues for getting your ideas out, now they highlight all the problems with those and they highlight all the strengths of podcasts. | ||
| That's encouraging. | ||
| Yeah, it's very encouraging. | ||
| Are you a Bernie Sanders man? | ||
| He's a nice guy. | ||
| You know, I like some of his ideas. | ||
| I do not have a problem with giving up more of my money as a person who's made a lot of money if I know that it's going to benefit the greater good of mankind in a real way. | ||
| You just don't want to see it squandered. | ||
| I don't want to see it squandered. | ||
| I don't like bureaucracy. | ||
| I don't like red tape. | ||
| I don't like government. | ||
| I don't like people that are so lazy. | ||
| That they just want to take everybody's money and then do what they will with it and take long lunch breaks. | ||
| This is the problem with a lot of what we think of in terms of government. | ||
| Government is filled. | ||
| It's bloated. | ||
| It's filled with assholes. | ||
| It's filled with people that just got government jobs and they're not good at it. | ||
| No one else wants that job, so they take that job and they do a shitty job with it and they squander resources. | ||
| That's what drives people crazy and especially hardworking people that know how hard it is to make a living. | ||
| If you're a fucking logger, you're giving away a certain percentage of your money, and you're tired of all these splinters in your hands, and you're exhausted, and some asshole is going to take away your money and allocate a certain amount of it to nonsense, gender research, and all sorts of stupid shit that you think is just fruitless. | ||
| It's infuriating for people, for hard-working people with dirt under their fingernails. | ||
| They don't want to think about anybody squandering their money. | ||
| Yeah, fiscally very conservative. | ||
| Not very, fiscally conservative. | ||
| People might look at where I'm at and think that I'm socially liberal, but in social issues I'm somewhat libertarian, you know? | ||
| But I feel that... | ||
| I need the right to come my direction quite a long ways on conservation issues. | ||
| Land. | ||
| Yeah, that's instinctively where I belong. | ||
| But the right, but I need them to move back my, when I say back my direction, because historically, I don't know, the right and left is confusing, but yeah, I need them to come my way on conservation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I like the way you've described yourself in the past, that you're politically sort of alone, that you're kind of without a party, because the left wants to take your guns away, and the right wants to take your land away. | ||
| And this is what we see fiscally, that the most disturbing aspects of... | ||
| Right-wing administration says they want to sell off public land. | ||
| They want to figure out a way, just a little bit, just a little bit. | ||
| We're going to take a little bit. | ||
| We're going to use it for mining. | ||
| Just take a little bit. | ||
| Well, we might lose this salmon river, but who the fuck is paying attention to that? | ||
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Come on. | |
| We need land. | ||
| I'm watching. | ||
| Yes, me too. | ||
| Ryan Callahan talked about that with, what is it called, Pebble Beach? | ||
| No, Pebble Mine. | ||
| Pebble Mine, yeah. | ||
| That, I mean, gigantic salmon fisheries, the biggest, most important. | ||
| Yeah, it's a, yeah, deeply, yeah, I don't want to, Yeah, you can get into the weeds with this stuff. | ||
| But, yeah, it's like there's no perfect party, and there's no perfect politician, and there's no perfect ideology. | ||
| Which pisses people off when you point that out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude, we've gotten hit hard for that kind of stuff, for pointing out that it's just not... | ||
| You know, we as a company, like at Meteor, we've been hit hard for pointing out that it's unfortunate that someone's not speaking wholly for our concerns. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, what's interesting about you guys is people think that you're some sort of a green Trojan horse, which is hilarious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've heard that argument. | ||
| You don't like guns? | ||
| Oh, dude, we don't really like to hunt. | ||
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I love it. | |
| But it's so preposterous. | ||
| It just shows you how crazy. | ||
| I work with the hardest-hitting hunters and fishermen that there are. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| That have ever lived. | ||
| You don't really like hunting. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| No, it's like it shows you. | ||
| Some like Beltway lobbyists, you don't really like hunting. | ||
| Oh, is that right? | ||
| It just shows you how silly people are. | ||
| It's like, let's line them up. | ||
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| Yeah, come on, bring your side over here. | ||
| Let me see what you're doing. | ||
| Yeah, it shows you how ridiculous people can be in their desire to put people into a very small, easily dismissed category. | ||
| It's like, this is what people love to do. | ||
| Yeah, that's what you do that drives people crazy, is you defy... | ||
| You're so hard to bucket. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I don't sit around at night thinking about you, but I love it. | ||
| I don't think about you either if it makes you feel comfortable. | ||
| But I think we need more people like that. | ||
| Most people would think that I'm conservative, that I'm a Republican or an alt-right or something like that. | ||
| I vote left on almost everything except gun control. | ||
| I just don't think that people understand what they're talking about when they're talking about gun control. | ||
| I don't think they understand the nuances of the Second Amendment. | ||
| The nuances of taking away people's ability to defend themselves or to hunt or to own something that may or may not be used against someone else, but they never would use it. | ||
| You don't have the right to tell people what they can and can't have just because some people abuse things. | ||
| This is a very complex conversation that people on the left want to boil down to guns equal bad. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| It's like, I don't have them. | ||
| And I can't understand why someone would. | ||
| But, therefore, I don't know why you would. | ||
| But at the same time, we're sitting here with a drink. | ||
| But at the same time, you look at alcohol, and one could make a very cogent argument about the overall destructiveness of abused alcohol. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But people, I don't hear a lot of people talking about prohibition. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, I had this conversation with Dan Crenshaw. | ||
| I don't drink and drive. | ||
| Dan Crenshaw was a congressman. | ||
| He's not for legalized marijuana. | ||
| But he likes scotch. | ||
| So we had this weird conversation. | ||
| I'm like, come on, man. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| And we're standing in front of an ashtray filled with blunts. | ||
| I'm like, come on. | ||
| And this idea that if you're a marijuana smoker, that somehow or another you're lazy. | ||
| Work out with me. | ||
| Come get up with me. | ||
| Just stop. | ||
| Just stop that nonsense. | ||
| I would like to tackle this with you. | ||
| Because I have questions. | ||
| About? | ||
| Yeah, about that. | ||
| Being lazy, being a weed smoker. | ||
| Weed smoking makes me work harder because it makes me paranoid. | ||
| I don't want to be lazy. | ||
| I want to earn my keep. | ||
| I don't want people to ever think that I'm slacking. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| That's how I think about comedy. | ||
| When I smoke pot, I think about comedy. | ||
| I'm like, I better That's good that you get so paranoid and the paranoia is that you don't work hard enough. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| It's all of it. | ||
| All of it is what I don't deserve. | ||
| My wife gets where she thinks not that she's going to pee her pants, but that she has peed her pants. | ||
| That's the most innocuous concern when it comes to alcohol or marijuana ever. | ||
| That's a great one. | ||
| I wish I only had that one. | ||
| That would make it so easy to live with. | ||
| But mine aids productivity. | ||
| My fears aid productivity, whether it's exercise, whether it's doing stand-up. | ||
| Stand-up is a big one. | ||
| Because you don't want to suck. | ||
| You just don't want to suck. | ||
| You don't want anybody to pay money and have a bad time. | ||
| That is the worst feeling in the history of the world. | ||
| Well, I'm going to go see it tonight. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| If you suck, I'm going to fucking be like, boo. | ||
| I'm working hard, dude. | ||
| I might heckle you, but I've seen people heckle you and it doesn't work well. | ||
| They don't come out on top. | ||
| It's not a smart move because you're interrupting a show for your own idea. | ||
| And people are already rooting for the guy on stage. | ||
| Because when people heckle you, it doesn't work out well for them. | ||
| Well, occasionally people are rooting for the heckler, if the heckler has a good point. | ||
| Look, people have heckled me and said hilarious shit and I'll laugh along with them. | ||
| It's like, as long as we're not filming anything, the real problem is people that want to heckle when you're filming. | ||
| You know, like, you're filming something, like, don't heckle. | ||
| Yeah, dude, you're funny, but you're not funny. | ||
| Not for, like, posterity. | ||
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| It's all alcohol. | ||
| So, like, you get a couple of drinks, and you're like, I got some funny shit to say, too. | ||
| By God, you're not the only funny one. | ||
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This bald man up here telling me what's funny, I know what's funny. | |
| That's funny. | ||
| And I'm not. | ||
| And sometimes people have good points. | ||
| But that's the beauty of live performances. | ||
| You live in this world where from ready, start. | ||
| Who knows what's going to happen? | ||
| You press start and this thing goes off on its own little journey. | ||
| And you have this idea of the way you're going to steer it. | ||
| And you're bringing up subjects and you're making people laugh. | ||
| But anything can happen. | ||
| Anything can happen. | ||
| Dude, when I saw you last, I saw you in Seattle and... | ||
| You know, I want to say this, but people destroyed this by saying it. | ||
| We laughed. | ||
| My wife and I laughed so much. | ||
| I wish no one had ever pointed this out, because people are going to be like, oh, it hurt my stomach. | ||
| It hurt my stomach. | ||
| I laugh so much, it hurt. | ||
| I laugh so much, I cried. | ||
| Like, ah, shut up. | ||
| But like, we laugh so much, my stomach hurt. | ||
| My stomach muscles hurt. | ||
| That's as good as a person could ever get. | ||
| Yeah, that's the best compliment. | ||
| Literally, I had like stomach. | ||
| Afterward, we were talking about our stomach muscles like we're doing ab. | ||
| It was like we had been doing a bunch of crunches. | ||
| Comedy is a crazy art form, man. | ||
| It's a crazy art form. | ||
| It was a beautiful, it was like, because we're like in the mix of it, man. | ||
| We have three kids that are under 10. It's hard. | ||
| Everything's hard. | ||
| And we went to see you, and it was just like, we went to see you, we watched your shit, and it was just for, you know, for this like glorious whatever, I don't know, 60 minutes, 45 minutes. | ||
| It was just like two people. | ||
| Like fucking like having fun. | ||
| That's the best thing about comedy. | ||
| It's really nice and laughing at stuff that we thought what makes it especially fun and especially Cathartic. | ||
| Because we're laughing about stuff that we felt like we're not supposed to laugh about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you have this moment, you have this epiphany, you're like, oh, you know what, though? | ||
| But it is funny. | ||
| It is funny, and it's okay, because you're with 3,000 other people and everyone's drunk. | ||
| Yeah, you're like, oh, we're all on the same page. | ||
| But it is funny. | ||
| Yeah, but also that you can be a good person and laugh at things that are ridiculous and that you probably shouldn't be laughing at. | ||
| These things are possible. | ||
| No, we loved it. | ||
| That is the art form of comedy. | ||
| My favorite kind of comedy. | ||
| My favorite kind of comedy is fucked up. | ||
| I mean, I love all kinds of comedy. | ||
| If somebody is like a Jerry Seinfeld, you ever notice? | ||
| That's great to me. | ||
| He's an artist. | ||
| He figures out a way to craft these things you can take your kids to or your grandma. | ||
| But I'm a Joey Diaz fan. | ||
| I like Kenison. | ||
| I like Pryor. | ||
| I like that kind of comedy. | ||
| I've told you this before, and I've told your listeners this before, and I'll have to excuse me. | ||
| Then I don't mean to wrap your own show, but I gotta go. | ||
| I felt like you didn't like it when I said it before. | ||
| But your comedy comes from a position... | ||
| I think you didn't like this because it sounds... | ||
| You're modest. | ||
| How do you know if I liked it? | ||
| But your body language. | ||
| Your comedy comes from a position of strength. | ||
| So much comedy comes from a position of self-loathing, which self-loathing is funny. | ||
| I can't get it up. | ||
| I can't please my girlfriend. | ||
| I'm a horrible husband. | ||
| It comes from self-loathing. | ||
| But to have someone come at comedy from a position of strength is unusual because the formula is that it's self-deprecating. | ||
| I'm so pathetic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But to have comedy coming from an individual who isn't mired in self-loathing. | ||
| Is a really fresh angle. | ||
| And I feel like I brought this up to you before, and you seem to not dig it. | ||
| I probably just didn't want to talk about myself. | ||
| I just didn't want to talk about comedy. | ||
| Because you come from a position of strength. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, eh, it's fine. | ||
| It's just jokes. | ||
| If you came from a position of self-loathing, you would have luxuriated in the compliment. | ||
| Right, probably. | ||
| Like, well, thank you. | ||
| Wow, I never thought about that way. | ||
| I guess I'm okay. | ||
| Yeah, I guess I'm okay. | ||
| Yeah, so there's a compliment for you. | ||
| It's tricky business. | ||
| You gotta go. | ||
| You're filming some shit with Brian Count today? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When are we getting together? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| I know. | ||
| When was the last time we hunted? | ||
| Was it turkey hunting or was it Alaska? | ||
| Turkey, but if you remember, I proposed to you not long ago, I was asking you about your availability to hunt elk in September, but it kind of petered out. | ||
| Yeah, I have two hunts. | ||
| See, that's the thing about having kids and a family and everything like that. | ||
| But what I would like most is to bring you and your family up to my fish shack for a few days. | ||
| Let's do it! | ||
| Because I think our children... | ||
| Let's do that. | ||
| Our kids like kids. | ||
| Yeah, let's do that. | ||
| Let's do that. | ||
| I'm into that. | ||
| And like I said, my youngest fucking loves fishing. | ||
| We'll have a great time. | ||
| It'll be good. | ||
| Steve Rinella, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Meat Eater. | ||
| Meat Eater bourbon coming soon. | ||
| Elk Shank in the house. | ||
| The Meat Eater podcast is available. | ||
| Pears with Elk Shank. | ||
| Meat Eater podcast. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| And live tours. | ||
| You guys are doing live podcasts everywhere, which I enjoy as well. | ||
| Great. | ||
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