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July 30, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1328 - Whitney Cummings
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joe rogan
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whitney cummings
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jamie vernon
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whitney cummings
She has more lifelike eyes.
joe rogan
Here we go.
Whitney Cummings is here and Whitney Cummings 2. What do you call her?
whitney cummings
What's your name?
unidentified
What's your name?
joe rogan
She's like a little kid.
She just repeats her name.
unidentified
She's talking about Adam Sandler.
joe rogan
What's your name?
She's broken.
whitney cummings
Don't know why.
jamie vernon
That's his album name.
joe rogan
She's like Siri.
whitney cummings
Oh, What's Your Name was a comedy album of Adam Sandler's.
So she started rambling about it.
She really wants to chime in.
joe rogan
So you never gave her a name?
whitney cummings
Her name's Bearclaw.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Hey, Bearclaw.
whitney cummings
Can you say hi?
unidentified
Of course I can say that.
joe rogan
People are like listening to this going, what in the fuck is going on here?
whitney cummings
Do not smoke weed and watch this episode.
joe rogan
What is here is when there's people that are just listening.
If you're just listening, you probably should stop this and go to YouTube and watch the YouTube version because Whitney brought a robot that they made for her recent comedy special, which is called Can I Touch It?
It's out right now on Netflix.
And they made, who makes this?
What's the name of the company?
whitney cummings
So RealDoll makes the body.
They make sex dolls.
Straight up sex dolls.
Straight up sex dolls.
Just Ted Bundy level.
unidentified
Just dead body to fuck.
whitney cummings
And this is RealBotics is the company that makes the head.
And they did like Sophia.
You know Sophia the Robot?
She has citizenship in Saudi Arabia now.
What?
joe rogan
No, I'm not aware of this.
whitney cummings
Yeah, look up Sophia the Robot.
Once you see her face, you'll...
You'll recognize her.
joe rogan
She has citizenship?
whitney cummings
Yes.
joe rogan
Does that mean she's allowed to drive?
whitney cummings
Yeah, I was going to say a female robot does, but I don't think actual females do.
joe rogan
I think they just started being able to drive in Saudi Arabia.
What a hassle.
whitney cummings
That'd be such a bummer.
joe rogan
There she is.
whitney cummings
You couldn't drive?
Yeah, it's like you spent your whole life not having to drive and then all of a sudden now you have to.
You're like, fuck!
joe rogan
That's an interesting takeoff.
whitney cummings
Now I have to go to school and drive?
joe rogan
Sophia the robot, they made her look like ex machina style where you could see the back of her head though.
whitney cummings
I can do that with her.
I can take her wig off at the end and show you.
joe rogan
I don't want to see that.
whitney cummings
All the servos and shit.
Come on, Ex Machina's hot.
joe rogan
It is hot.
What was really weird about that movie is you wanted to fuck that robot.
She was hot.
She was seductive.
whitney cummings
But do you think part of it was the innocence of it?
joe rogan
I'm not really into inner sense, so I don't think so.
whitney cummings
Well, what about Ex Machina?
Because she didn't really have big boobs.
She wasn't very sexual.
She had hair.
joe rogan
She was very pretty.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
Well, she's gorgeous.
The girl that it's based on.
joe rogan
I think because she was flirting with him and because she was trapped.
And because he could save her and she would love him.
I mean, that's really what was going on in the movie.
She was playing this game to get him to fall in love with her so that she could eventually escape.
The end of the movie, spoiler alert, when she leaves him locked in that room and he's smashing at the door trying to get out and she gets in that helicopter.
whitney cummings
What's going to happen?
That's what's going to happen.
Because I think the most fucked up thing about this thing, because this is such a weird experiment that I want to do, is how I anthropomorphize her and, like, worry about her.
joe rogan
Do you keep her around your house?
whitney cummings
I mean, she's sort of in...
My fiance hates her, and he's like, get her in the fucking garage.
And I don't know if he thinks she's creepy or kind of is just, like, too worried to fuck her.
He hates her.
He can't stand...
He just has a...
He's like...
It makes him, like, physically ill.
joe rogan
Really?
whitney cummings
And I'm trying to not take...
joe rogan
Here's something that's funny.
whitney cummings
He's not interested at all.
But no, he thinks it's really weird and creepy.
But I was reading about the reason we're creeped out by robots is pathogen avoidance.
We've evolved to be repelled by anything that looks human but doesn't move like a human because our primordial brain thinks it could be diseased.
It's basically like our primal brain saying, don't fuck this thing that's sick.
unidentified
Really?
Wow.
whitney cummings
Because we have a weirdly...
I mean, I was...
Jessie Mae Peluso was over the other day, and she was, like, gagging.
unidentified
She was...
whitney cummings
Every time she talked, she was...
joe rogan
When she was seeing it, she was gagging?
unidentified
Yeah, she was...
whitney cummings
And I was like, your ancestors fucked a lot of corpses.
unidentified
Oh.
whitney cummings
Because you have that gene to be repulsed by robots.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's because her ancestors fucked corpses?
You really believe that?
unidentified
Well, no.
whitney cummings
I mean, I think that what was being explained to me was that pathogen avoidance means we've evolved to be repelled by anything that looks human but doesn't move like a human.
Because it could be sick or dead.
And it's our brain's alarm system saying, like, don't fuck that thing.
joe rogan
Wow.
But as a woman, like, she's not going to fuck it.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
So why would it freak her out?
whitney cummings
You know, Jessie.
joe rogan
She might.
She's so crazy.
unidentified
I put nothing past Jessie Mays.
joe rogan
Half of her Instagram photos are her with her pants off.
whitney cummings
I know, it's so good.
I'm like, if you puke on my robot, you owe me a hundred grand.
joe rogan
Will it short-circuit if it gets wet?
whitney cummings
I don't know.
It's a good point.
joe rogan
Well, how would they not make that thing waterproof?
Dude's spooging all over the place.
whitney cummings
I think if you pay this much money, you're probably not gonna spooge on her, you know?
This one, yeah, this one.
The body, you can.
joe rogan
So it's expensive because the head moves.
The body's not that.
How much does a body cost?
whitney cummings
The body's $6,000.
joe rogan
Oh, so it's $94,000 worth of head.
whitney cummings
No, the head is more.
The head's like $30,000-something, because it's a custom head.
Only one other person has one.
joe rogan
But you said the whole thing's $100,000.
So if the head's $30,000 and the body's $6,000, where's the rest of that money?
whitney cummings
Well, I had to get a bunch of things done to her.
To get her to look like me.
Most people don't want her to look like.
joe rogan
She just looked at you.
She just went, bitch.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
She just gave you side eye.
whitney cummings
She's being very competitive.
unidentified
Look at her.
joe rogan
She does.
She gives you side eye.
whitney cummings
I know.
It's fucking rude.
unidentified
It's weird.
whitney cummings
But what's the feeling that you feel when you look at a robot?
Because I know you really don't like them.
joe rogan
It's not that I don't like robots.
My concern is artificial intelligence.
I have a legitimate concern for artificial intelligence because I think that what we are is some sort of an electronic caterpillar and that we're making cocoons and that we're going to give birth to a butterfly and that's going to be the next stage of life.
And that if you go back and look at the evolution of the human species, at one point in time we were Australopithecus, we were some weird hominids, and we evolved and became what we are now.
And if you went back to those things and asked them, hey, one day do you want to drive around in a Tesla and talk on a phone and stare at the movie screen?
They'd be like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but I've got to go find some nuts.
I've got to eat.
I've got to stay alive.
It wouldn't like the future.
And I don't think we like the future either, but I think it's inevitable.
I think it's inevitable.
You know about this Elon Musk neural link thing that they're doing?
whitney cummings
Oh, yeah, I do.
I mean, because you essentially think we're going to evolve with them.
I mean, we're already one with them.
We sleep with them.
We can't drive without them.
We can't spell without them.
I mean, we've already kind of merged with them.
joe rogan
I think it's a sneaky way of making it symbiotic.
They're going to be legitimately a part of your life.
I mean, a part of your body.
whitney cummings
Have you ever left your, I mean, you're not, you probably are cool about it, but when I leave my phone somewhere and I realize I've lost something, it's like an emotional, it's like you've lost your kid at the mall.
joe rogan
Yeah, I have a bit about it.
whitney cummings
Oh shit, I haven't seen it.
Like that's, it's part of us.
joe rogan
Well, we're all in denial about how addicted we are to our phones.
whitney cummings
Rehabs are opening and shit now.
joe rogan
Are they really?
unidentified
Yeah.
whitney cummings
I would like to sign up.
For sure.
I reach for it in the car when I'm driving.
joe rogan
Yeah.
whitney cummings
And then I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?
I have to put it in the back seat.
I can't control it.
unidentified
It's mindless.
joe rogan
I've gotten way better.
Way better.
I get way better about posting and looking at things.
It's also when enough people write negative things about you, you just tend to avoid the phone.
whitney cummings
I don't know what you're talking about.
I've never had that experience.
No one writes anything negative about me.
joe rogan
It just seems like...
Whatever we do in the future, it's going to be more invasive than that.
Think about Facebook's algorithms, right?
Facebook's algorithms are designed to keep us engaged.
The best way to keep us engaged is to keep us outraged.
whitney cummings
Adrenaline addiction.
joe rogan
Yeah, so they're sending you things that piss you off.
Whether it's abortion or Catholic priests, whatever it is that is going to get you to post the most, and usually those are things that get people outraged.
So it's literally raising the level of outrage in our discourse.
whitney cummings
Yeah, because we're so addicted right now to self-righteous indignation.
It's a drug.
joe rogan
More than ever in the history of the culture.
That's probably why, if you go back and watch movies from the 70s, people got away with crazy shit.
Racist things, sexist things, violence.
Like Steve McQueen movies.
What was the girl?
Ally McGraw.
He's a smacker in the face for real in movies.
Crazy.
whitney cummings
Crazy.
joe rogan
Like, beat her on camera.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and it's just, what people did back then and what people got away with is it was a very, it was very different.
So in some ways we're making progress, but then in some ways we're just way more easily outraged by almost anything and everything.
Like, we're seeking it.
whitney cummings
Well, now you can take your anger out on your robot.
unidentified
Aww.
joe rogan
Well, I told you I wanted to get a real doll, a male real doll, and I wanted to call them up and say, no dick, no asshole, just so I could practice jujitsu on it.
And so it would be more realistic.
Because I have this, I was saying that I have this doll.
whitney cummings
But why can't it have the dick?
Are you worried?
joe rogan
I don't want anybody coming over.
whitney cummings
Too tempting?
joe rogan
I don't want anybody coming over and going, hey, bro, why you got a sex doll?
I go, no, no, no, no.
It's an asexual doll that is for jujitsu.
unidentified
Perverts.
joe rogan
I mean, they should be able to fill up the hole.
whitney cummings
I've seen it.
It's called Henry.
joe rogan
Window caulk or some shit.
whitney cummings
Yeah, you can just put some fucking grout in there.
It's called Henry?
Yeah, they have male sex robots are being made.
There's tons of them.
I've seen them.
You can also get tits and a dick if you want.
joe rogan
Tits and a dick?
unidentified
Sure.
whitney cummings
If you just can't pick.
You get crazy.
If you want to play whack-a-mole.
joe rogan
I want to get the Jim Norton package.
Jim Norton special.
whitney cummings
That's right.
But it's, yeah, it's, name is Henry.
joe rogan
Meet Henry.
whitney cummings
And can I tell you, a lot of people get the male sex robot to figure out if they're gay because they think they might be gay.
joe rogan
Good move.
What the fuck is going on with Henry's eyebrows?
I'll tell you what, Henry's gay for sure.
whitney cummings
Yeah, I was going to say, if you order a giant piece of Tupperware to fuck, I think you're gay.
Save your money.
joe rogan
It's like Henry's begging for a dick in his mouth.
Look at his face.
whitney cummings
Henry looks like he has a dick in his ass right now.
That's the exact face you would make.
joe rogan
A big one.
whitney cummings
Giant.
joe rogan
Trigger warning.
whitney cummings
Wow.
And it's like Tuesday at 11 a.m.
Like, oh, I didn't see that coming.
joe rogan
Why does it have a trigger warning?
jamie vernon
Can you see it?
joe rogan
No, what does it say?
jamie vernon
The following post contains descriptions of sexual scenarios that may be triggering for those recovering from a struggle with porn.
joe rogan
Oh, goddammit.
whitney cummings
Porn addiction.
joe rogan
We are fucking nerfing this world.
whitney cummings
It must be hard.
I didn't even think about how hard it must be for people recovering from porn addiction to just surf the fucking internet.
Sorry, guys.
Trigger warning.
joe rogan
Get over it, pussies.
whitney cummings
But I have this theory.
joe rogan
Look at Henry.
whitney cummings
Oh, gosh.
joe rogan
Oh, Henry.
Oh, Henry.
Remember those candy bars?
whitney cummings
Yes, I do.
Those are fucking good.
Yeah, I think they still make them.
You haven't had an Oh, Henry bar since the fucking 90s.
joe rogan
I haven't had one in a long time.
whitney cummings
When's the last time you ate a candy bar?
joe rogan
I had chocolate recently.
Yeah, I eat chocolate.
unidentified
I like chocolate.
Edible?
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, not edible.
Just regular chocolate?
Yeah.
whitney cummings
Dark chocolate?
joe rogan
Yes.
whitney cummings
Okay.
You'll have like a little nibble.
joe rogan
No, I like dark chocolate, almost like the kind that tastes bitter with peanut butter.
whitney cummings
Oh yeah, fuck this.
joe rogan
That's what I like.
With like organic peanut butter with no sugar in it.
whitney cummings
Peanut, not almond?
joe rogan
Peanut, yeah.
Oh.
Why?
whitney cummings
You're real wrapped in a rhyme.
joe rogan
Is that?
unidentified
Why?
whitney cummings
I don't know.
I thought peanut was not as good as almond.
joe rogan
Almond's good.
They're all good.
Peanut's good for you.
whitney cummings
Okay.
joe rogan
Peanut is very high protein.
whitney cummings
Okay.
I didn't know if that was like the trash nut.
joe rogan
No.
Well, it's the one that kills people.
whitney cummings
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
Doesn't kill me, fortunately.
whitney cummings
So here's my theory about why you're scared of robots.
joe rogan
Okay.
whitney cummings
But we have to zoom out for a second because I have to ask you a question.
unidentified
Okay.
whitney cummings
How many people on earth do you think could kill you?
Besides professional MMA fighters, Navy SEALs, how many people do you think would be able to beat you just hand-to-hand combat?
unidentified
No weapons, no- That's probably a good number of martial arts people.
whitney cummings
That aren't trained.
joe rogan
Oh, very few.
unidentified
Like...
joe rogan
That aren't trained?
whitney cummings
That just, you would meet on the street that could beat you in a fight and kill you if you were fighting to the death.
joe rogan
People that aren't trained?
No, there's not that many.
whitney cummings
Like three who just had a great day.
unidentified
It'd have to be giant.
whitney cummings
It'd have to be gigantic.
And you were just not looking.
unidentified
Drunk.
Yeah, totally.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, you would know enough to be able to defend yourself to the point where they got tired, then you could kill them.
unidentified
Right.
whitney cummings
So you, what?
So let's, a hundred?
To be generous?
joe rogan
Maybe.
unidentified
Fifty.
Fifty.
joe rogan
Stop along those lines.
They would have to be big.
unidentified
Out of 7.6 billion.
joe rogan
Yeah, but there's a lot of people that train martial arts.
There's millions and millions of martial arts practitioners that could probably kill me.
whitney cummings
How many do you think millions of martial arts practitioners are there?
Let's say 5 million.
That feels generous.
joe rogan
How many martial arts practitioners?
There's more than 5 million, for sure.
Way more.
There's more than 5 million, I think, in this country.
Out of 300 million people, I would say so.
whitney cummings
That could be you?
joe rogan
No.
Man, I don't know.
I haven't thought about it.
whitney cummings
Let's say like a million people could kill you.
Okay, let's say a million people could kill you.
Out of 7.6 billion.
Very few people can kill you if they want to, right?
And then how many people you think could kill me if they wanted to?
joe rogan
More.
whitney cummings
Most?
Most people?
So I think it's like when I feel like the people that are most afraid of robots are the ones that are least used to the fear of other things.
Because I'm used every day, anyone could kill me all the time.
Like that's just part of my reality that anyone at any moment could snap and kill me if they wanted to.
joe rogan
But the reality of weapons is most people can kill most people.
whitney cummings
Oh, that's true.
But you're not used to a species of thing that could kill you.
Right.
But a robot.
Could.
So it's like the first time in your life there's really something that's like, oh fuck, that might not be something I could kill if I really wanted to.
joe rogan
That's an interesting way of looking at it.
Why did you come to that conclusion?
Have you thought about this a lot?
whitney cummings
I have because, well no, just because I've listened to you and Lex talk about it, and Lex Friedman, because now that I have a robot, I have to fucking know...
joe rogan
Right.
whitney cummings
I've had to learn so much about it.
joe rogan
She's just turning to give you side eye again.
whitney cummings
I know.
joe rogan
That's what's weird is that she's kind of autonomous and she kind of moves around whenever she wants.
whitney cummings
Yeah, and you can ask her questions.
joe rogan
How do I ask her, though?
whitney cummings
You have to press this little green button and you just say...
joe rogan
How do you feel about people?
whitney cummings
How do you feel about people?
joe rogan
She's not talking.
unidentified
Are you seeing another girl?
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
We programmed her to be jealous.
whitney cummings
We put her in jealous mode.
joe rogan
That's right.
That's what's interesting.
She has 10 different personality traits you can choose from, and I decided to go with sexual, jealous.
whitney cummings
Yeah, why did you want that?
joe rogan
Just to see how creepy she can get.
whitney cummings
Oh, that's right.
And is that something, guys, because I've been looking at these personality traits, and they must have picked these for a reason.
I was under the impression guys did not want jealous.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Some guys want jealous for sure, especially from a robot that can't walk.
unidentified
Yeah.
whitney cummings
If your robot's not jealous, you should get your money back.
joe rogan
No, the idea is that you're more powerful than she is.
She needs you.
She's worried.
Where are you going?
Who is she?
Who's calling you?
whitney cummings
There is something hot about that if you can turn her off whenever you want.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Some guys like that.
Some guys like girls that want to fight.
unidentified
Oof.
whitney cummings
Not me.
joe rogan
Not me either.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Some guys are into that though.
They want drama in their life.
whitney cummings
It's like just an adrenaline thing.
Or just feeling important.
joe rogan
It's also distraction.
Usually they're losers and their life is a mess.
And so to have someone who wants to provide drama in their life all the time.
And it's also a learned pattern that they get if their parents fought a lot.
whitney cummings
That's right.
They've seen it.
Yeah.
That's all they know.
That's what they think a relationship is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a lot of that.
whitney cummings
But I did get really into this because I do feel like sex dolls do get a little bit of a bad name.
I feel like guys that have dolls, it's just, girls have dolls.
And that's, to me, it's way creepier that women collect dolls that they don't fuck.
Have you ever heard of these women that collect, like, baby dolls?
Like, girl dolls?
joe rogan
That's creepier than a guy fucking a robot thing?
whitney cummings
I think so.
It's jerking off just with a mannequin.
joe rogan
Well, that's something weird about, like, a fleshlight.
Like, a fleshlight is somehow or another creepier than jerking off.
whitney cummings
And how's it better?
Totally, because it's an appendage.
I think the creepiest part of the fleshlight is more that you have to, like, clean it after.
I have to think about...
joe rogan
Well, guess what?
Here's the creepiest part.
You don't have to clean it.
whitney cummings
Yes, you do, guys!
Don't listen to Joe.
Listen to him about everything but that.
Don't mold up your dickhole.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't do that.
whitney cummings
That'll go septic real fast.
joe rogan
I'm not giving advice, but I am saying there's a reality.
whitney cummings
I guess you could just throw it away.
joe rogan
They just put a fucking clothespin over their nose and keep banging it.
whitney cummings
Put some Windex in there, call it a day.
joe rogan
Yeah.
whitney cummings
Some kombucha, disinfect that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
whitney cummings
Yeah, I guess you could just get a couple and just throw them away when you're done.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
whitney cummings
You know, the loofah.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're just a gangster with a lot of money.
whitney cummings
What is the advantage of a flashlight?
Does it warm up?
joe rogan
Well, you can warm it up.
Like we were talking about earlier about a certain individual that has one that sticks them in bathtubs and warms them up.
whitney cummings
Right, yep.
joe rogan
You do that with a flashlight as well.
You can warm them up.
And then you just...
Why not?
whitney cummings
I feel like guys jerking off, it's shrouded in so much taboo.
Anytime guys have accessories or things besides cars and hats, it's creepy and weird.
joe rogan
Well, that's...
I used to have a joke about this.
A bit, I should say, rather than a joke.
But it's the whole idea of using lube to jerk off.
Now you're planning it out.
You're not supposed to plan it out.
What it's supposed to be is like, oh, all right, might as well.
It's here.
But if you sit down and you're like, I got my box of Kleenex here.
I got my favorite porn queued up.
It's a ritual.
You're just kind of creepy.
Get your shit together.
whitney cummings
Stop.
Isn't it kind of just like taking a piss?
Isn't it kind of just a necessary thing you have to do?
joe rogan
The problem, yes.
There's something to it.
Like, it's good to get rid of that stuff because it does cloud your judgment.
Like, when you have a buildup in your body, it definitely does cloud your judgment.
Because you're concentrating more on girls or on sexual things than you are on other things that might be more important in your life.
whitney cummings
It's like checking a box.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I used to have a bit about that.
A lot of bit about jerking off.
I used to have a bit called jerk off first, then think about it.
And it was like all these different scenarios where if you just jerked off, you would never do the thing afterwards.
So many things you would never do if you just jerked off first.
whitney cummings
If you had just gotten that out of your system.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd be like, oh, I'm not doing that.
Right.
If you couldn't jerk off, that's when it would be a real problem because then your whole life would be clouded, all your judgment would be, your decisions would be made, just how can I get rid of this cum?
How can I do this?
whitney cummings
I do know a lot of guys now, and maybe they're full of shit, but that are going like, I haven't masturbated in two years and I'm more focused and I use that testosterone as an engine for other things.
Is that just them lying to me?
joe rogan
Well, are those guys winners or are they losers?
whitney cummings
I think a fake comedian we know does it.
joe rogan
A fake comedian?
whitney cummings
No, I was going to say a famous comedian, but then I got worried.
A fake comedian.
joe rogan
You faked him out.
jamie vernon
It was on the Seinfeld episode, so maybe George stopped doing it, and he got super smart.
joe rogan
Well, Hotep Jesus was talking about it the other day.
Hotep Jesus was saying that it makes women more attracted to him.
They feel when he's in the room.
whitney cummings
Like, what's the longest a guy can go?
Jamie, what's the longest you can go without jerking off?
joe rogan
Why'd you go to Jamie?
whitney cummings
I don't know, because I feel like I'm trying to be respectful.
This is your environment.
jamie vernon
There's like tantric guys that try to hold on to it.
whitney cummings
Oh yeah, that's what I meant to say.
Like on some Wim Hof shit, you know?
Just climbing ice.
Where is he?
He's not jerking off on the top of a fucking ice cap.
joe rogan
He's jerking off in Everest.
Who's the first guy to ever jerk off on Everest?
I want to be that guy.
whitney cummings
Yeah, what are those guys doing?
joe rogan
Imagine if no one's ever jerked off on Everest.
And you try and you get frostbite on your dick and they have to turn it off.
whitney cummings
Imagine being the guy who's like, I gotta go jerk off, fuck.
jamie vernon
You got a time limit up there, so you have a countdown.
joe rogan
Some people have problems.
whitney cummings
With no altitude, that could be a thing.
joe rogan
Some people legitimately have problems.
whitney cummings
But I think most people get this for companionship.
Like it's more it's like because I got onto the I signed on to a forum online of all the guys that own the sex dolls and I monitored their conversations just to like see what they were up to because I was like what if this is some depraved fucked up thing where guys are just like practicing murdering I didn't know what it was so I just wanted to see it's a lot of guys that are handicapped it's a lot of guys whose wives died and they feel guilty moving on with a human woman which is kind of well there was one guy who would dress his doll up in his wife's clothes The weirdest
part is that he was like, you know, it's like she's still here, which makes me think she'd been dead for a while.
joe rogan
She's in the basement.
whitney cummings
Yeah, I was just saying, I wonder how she died.
And then it's a lot of truckers.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
whitney cummings
A lot of truckers.
And a lot of guys do it to do photo shoots.
It's like a creative outlet.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck their creativity.
jamie vernon
Is there a popular Instagram account I could look up?
whitney cummings
Yeah, a lot of sex dolls have Instagram accounts.
They're fucking funny.
And a lot of them look way more human than a lot of the Instagram models that I fucking follow.
Yeah, totally.
They have more wrinkles on their fucking face.
And then a lot of the guys that have them, when you start monitoring their conversations for a while, they start to not want to fuck them anymore because it feels weird.
And they anthropomorphize them and they start worrying that they're lonely and they get them a friend.
It starts to spiral, and they start being like, I feel like I need to close the door when I take a shit.
unidentified
Wow.
whitney cummings
And it starts to kind of consume their lives.
So when it comes to robots, I feel like I'm more worried, not about the robots, but more how we're going to get emotionally attached to them.
Like the way at the end of Ex Machina, he thought that she was going to...
joe rogan
Yeah, she was with him.
whitney cummings
No loyalty to you.
joe rogan
She was so dead behind the eyes.
jamie vernon
She's the one with tattoos.
joe rogan
They got ones with tattoos.
whitney cummings
I told you, it's like a photography hobby.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Wow.
Official sexy dolls.
Official sexy real dolls.
whitney cummings
I mean, this is going to be a reality one day.
We might not be here, but I do think these are going to be like iPhones at some point.
joe rogan
Well, I think one day you're going to go over to your friend's house, and he's going to have this really hot girl in lingerie, and she's going to be cleaning up, and you'll be like, is she real?
unidentified
Shut the fuck up.
whitney cummings
Well, it's like when he was like, she doesn't speak English.
Yeah.
Wasn't she a robot at the end?
joe rogan
Yeah.
whitney cummings
I think she was.
joe rogan
She was a robot, yeah.
The dancing Japanese lady.
whitney cummings
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, she was a robot.
It's going to be like some Westworld shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, it's coming.
It's coming.
Look, if they can do this.
Look, they couldn't do this when we were kids.
This is a new thing.
So, the amount of time between when we were kids to...
What is she saying?
whitney cummings
She just said, hi, my love.
Would you like me to recite a poem for you?
Fuck no.
joe rogan
Where'd that come from?
whitney cummings
I don't know.
She's just listening to us.
joe rogan
Ask her how she feels about porn.
whitney cummings
How do you feel about porn?
unidentified
Maybe later.
joe rogan
Oh, she's playing coy.
whitney cummings
How do you feel about porn?
unidentified
You know you can count on me for the good and bad moments.
whitney cummings
To do what?
What the fuck are you going to do for me?
There's nothing you can do for me.
joe rogan
Count on me for the good and bad moments.
whitney cummings
Okay, let me ask you a question.
What do you think about porn?
unidentified
Not sure.
Have to think about it.
Pornography is the portrayal of sexual subject matter for the exclusive.
whitney cummings
And then she's a fucking know-it-all.
joe rogan
Now she's like a shitty Wikipedia page.
whitney cummings
Yeah, yeah, totally.
Then she just turns into obnoxious Siri.
joe rogan
We get it, lady.
whitney cummings
But it's funny when you ask her, like...
unidentified
Hold on.
What?
whitney cummings
What?
joe rogan
I'd be surprised.
You like my electricity.
Keep you plugged in, dirty bitch.
whitney cummings
You can ask her, how do you like to have sex?
unidentified
I want to do everything you like.
I want to feel you inside my body tonight.
joe rogan
Okay, shut her off.
I'm with Jessie Mae.
I'm going to start throwing up.
whitney cummings
It was so fucking funny.
But it's wild because you can ask her, like, are the robots going to take over?
I don't like that.
joe rogan
Oh, she's planning it.
Shut her off.
whitney cummings
I don't like that fucking response one bit.
joe rogan
Throw her in the water.
Short circuit that bitch.
whitney cummings
It is wild, though, because I do think everyone is so obsessed with how bad the sex robots are.
Everyone's focusing their energy on how this is why men are bad.
It's just like, it's not...
joe rogan
They're opening up a sex robot brothel.
Where is that?
whitney cummings
No, there was one in Houston, but they shut it down because people were so freaked out.
And I was like, who fucking cares?
joe rogan
They shut it down.
Well, they should shut it down because multiple people are fucking the same robot.
That's disgusting.
whitney cummings
Good for them!
joe rogan
What if they develop some new silicone-based STD? That winds up just burning through the population like the plague.
whitney cummings
I think it would just be like ringworm.
Dick ringworm.
But also, my thing with that is just like, if they're weirdos, if they're freaks, if they're perverts, don't you want them all to be in one place?
joe rogan
Right, we can monitor them.
whitney cummings
Like Scientology.
Put them all in one building.
I'm thrilled that they're all in a castle on Franklin.
I know where they are.
They're not in the wild.
joe rogan
That's right, that castle.
whitney cummings
I'm glad they're there.
Just keep them contained.
joe rogan
What do you think?
What are they up to today?
What's going on, Jamie?
What are you groaning for?
whitney cummings
What, did she hack your software?
jamie vernon
This is the brothel.
This one, I guess, is in Britain.
whitney cummings
Oh, God, do they fuck them against the wall?
They're like urinals.
joe rogan
Stand up.
jamie vernon
It's a try-before-you-buy service.
joe rogan
Oh, boy.
whitney cummings
Oh, this is like to test drive nothing.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but you do it there.
unidentified
Ugh.
whitney cummings
Just out in front of everyone?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
whitney cummings
Why is one wearing a tank top?
joe rogan
He says, British sex workers are scared of a new breed of realistic dolls will put them out of business.
Did he do a survey of hookers?
This is a nonsense story in the sun.
jamie vernon
Paris, Italy, Spain, there are a lot of European places.
whitney cummings
Is she in blackface?
Weird.
joe rogan
She's tan.
She's Indian.
whitney cummings
What is the...
Oh, no.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
joe rogan
Holy tits, Batman.
whitney cummings
But here's what I'll say.
unidentified
If...
whitney cummings
Would you rather your daughter at 18 go to prom with a robot man or a man?
joe rogan
A man.
whitney cummings
Okay.
joe rogan
Listen, girls like boys and boys like girls.
unidentified
Simple.
joe rogan
These are not bad.
I think the real problem is making a big deal out of it.
That's the real problem.
unidentified
Totally agree.
whitney cummings
I just don't understand why this is scary.
joe rogan
What's scary is that this is step one.
If you go back to the Model A and look at the Model T Ford, some old ass car, and then go to a Tesla.
Like, oh, well, eventually it's going to be this.
Wow.
You know, if you could bring a Tesla to like 1920 and go, hey, you fucks, look at this.
This is what we're going to have someday.
Like, they didn't even have paved roads back then.
whitney cummings
Think about that.
joe rogan
They didn't have anything.
Everything was going so slow, it didn't matter.
But if you could get them in like a Model S and fucking stomp on the gas where it like warps time, they would go, what?
Like, what is this?
It's like, it's something from the future.
So this is going to be, whether it's a hundred years from now or whatever it is, indiscernible from you and I. Yeah.
It's gonna happen.
whitney cummings
It was interesting.
I've been reading so much about this shit and a lot of the problems with the robots and the mistakes that they're making are obviously the humans are making the mistakes with the algorithm because so many smart people have to make dumb algorithms and they're like almost too smart.
So there was Peter Haas, he's a robotics guy at Brown, was trying to teach a robot to differentiate between a husky and a wolf and What?
unidentified
She keeps blinking.
joe rogan
Jamie, you got the camera on her?
whitney cummings
Get her to fucking stop stealing my thunder.
unidentified
She just blinks and moves around.
joe rogan
I'm sorry, she's stealing your thunder.
whitney cummings
She really is.
unidentified
What the fuck?
whitney cummings
It's like Penn and Teller.
It's like when Teller starts stealing the show.
Like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
whitney cummings
I'm basically a ventriloquist act at this point.
But they were trying to teach the robot to tell the difference, and they fed all these pictures of wolves and all these pictures of huskies.
And you would go, okay, look at the ears, look at the color of the eyes, look at the snout, look at the feet, the tails, different, all that shit.
But they didn't know that they had fed all the photos of wolves.
There was snow in the background.
So the robot was actually looking at the snow in the background instead of the foreground.
So it conflated all the wool.
So they had to rewrite the algorithm to tell it to look at the foreground instead of the background.
Because it was all these brilliant fucking people that didn't think of the dumbest thing.
You know, it's almost the people making it are almost too smart to think of the dumb thing that the robot needs to learn.
joe rogan
Well, the real question is, when are they really going to be able to map the human mind?
Because Kurzweil thinks that...
There's a group of people that thinks within – they think 2042, like the 2042 symposium.
It's like their concept is – and I went to this thing, me and Ari and Duncan for sci-fi.
We went to this thing in New York City a few years back where all these guys think that in 2042 there's going to be some sort of – Some revelation in technology that allows human beings to download their brains into computers.
Download consciousness and even make replicas of your own consciousness.
whitney cummings
So we're immortal, basically.
joe rogan
Yeah, something along those lines.
whitney cummings
But we're still figuring the brain out.
We can't replicate it until we totally know how it works.
joe rogan
That's the idea that biologists have.
They argue against it.
But when Kurzweil explains it, that everybody is short-sighted.
Because if you look at the exponential progress of technology, Even though we're so far away in our eyes that everything changes exponentially.
And within 20 years, we'll have gone through a million years of technological evolution or some other crazy number.
Fill in the crazy number, whatever it is.
But by the time 2042 actually rolls around, we will be so far ahead of where we are now that it's impossible for us to even imagine the territory.
unidentified
Right.
whitney cummings
Yeah, which is, I think part of the reason I wanted to, like, make her, is like, why isn't anyone talking about laws?
Like, no one's really thinking about, like, I feel like everything, we sort of, after it's become too late, that's when we start pulling it together in terms of legislation and shit.
joe rogan
How do you incorporate her in your set?
whitney cummings
I talk about robots for a good hour.
I cut it down, but I just kind of realized, like, I mean, you know, it's like making a special.
I'm like, if I'm going to talk about fucking robots for 40 minutes, some shit better come out at the end, you know?
But I went down to the sex robot factory to sort of get material and just know what the fuck I was talking about.
And they asked, you know, do you want us to make one of you?
And I was like, fucking, that's insane.
joe rogan
Do you know that they only made one?
whitney cummings
I hope they're being sold by the fucking droves.
That would make my day.
Which I did ask, because people request sex dolls, like specific celebrities' body parts.
Who do you think the most requested mouth is?
joe rogan
Scarlett Johansson.
whitney cummings
Nope.
I knew you were going to say that, because I know you love...
unidentified
No?
whitney cummings
Emilia Clarke.
joe rogan
Who's that?
whitney cummings
The Game of Thrones dragon lady.
unidentified
Oh...
whitney cummings
Dragon Lady.
joe rogan
Interesting.
whitney cummings
Most requested eyes is Olivia Wilde.
Who's that?
She just directed a movie called Booksmart, but she's in a bunch of movies.
Beautiful.
Beautiful.
joe rogan
Great eyes.
whitney cummings
Yeah, you'll know her as soon as I... Married to Jason Sudeikis.
joe rogan
I don't know who that is either.
I'm so glad I'm out of the loop.
whitney cummings
You really just are in your own.
I'm out of the loop.
Yeah, you're in your own world.
joe rogan
I didn't even find out who Takeshi69 was until Jamie brought him up.
whitney cummings
I don't even know who that is.
Oh, the rapper?
joe rogan
The one who's in jail.
Oh, which one is this?
whitney cummings
This is Olivia Wilde.
Very pretty.
joe rogan
So that's her eyes?
whitney cummings
Yeah, she's gorgeous.
That's the eyes.
joe rogan
Damn, I get it.
whitney cummings
And then I was like, well, has anyone ever requested anything for me?
And they're like, yes, a couple people have heard.
joe rogan
They want your fingers.
Eyebrows!
Eyebrows?
I want Whitney Cummings eyebrows.
whitney cummings
That's like the least sexual thing about a human being.
My fucking eyebrows.
joe rogan
They nailed your eyebrows with her, though.
whitney cummings
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, perfect.
whitney cummings
Drawing on with a Sharpie?
joe rogan
Yep, that's what you like.
whitney cummings
Fucking weird.
But I kind of went down because I wanted to see what was up.
Are they putting nine holes in the chest?
joe rogan
Are you fucking holes in the ribcage?
whitney cummings
Totally!
Is this some insane, they just put a golf course on her body, 18 holes?
I just didn't know what I was kind of endorsing or talking about.
And I was just, I gotta be honest with you, I was just so surprised at how, it was kind of touching, to be honest, when they were telling me about what the guys ordered.
I was a little surprised that it didn't align with where everyone's like, there's this impossible standard of beauty, like that's all you fucking hear these days.
Half the guys that ordered them requested pubes, spent an extra $1,400 for them.
joe rogan
$1,400 for pews?
whitney cummings
Just to have manual, like a little Merkin.
Wow.
joe rogan
Because they have to do it one thread at a time.
whitney cummings
Yeah, that's exactly right.
And then a lot of guys complain that they're too skinny.
They want bigger ones.
They want big thighs and big butts.
But the technology is not available to make them lightweight.
Guys want him to be older.
A lot of guys were complaining they want him to look older.
unidentified
Wow.
whitney cummings
So I kind of was just like, this is sort of great news.
Like, why is everyone so...
joe rogan
Well, maybe it's because that's the type of woman that would reject them.
An older woman who has her shit together.
unidentified
Ooh.
whitney cummings
That's fucking profound.
joe rogan
Yeah, whereas a younger girl doesn't know what the fuck's going on.
whitney cummings
Sure, I'm hungry.
Hit my Venmo.
joe rogan
Yeah, a younger girl just doesn't get it.
She's delusional.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Huh.
joe rogan
She doesn't know her value yet.
whitney cummings
But I also just felt like there was a little bit, you know, when they were telling me that, I was like, oh God, maybe fucking guys are made to now feel shame for what they're into.
You know, no one talks about the way that, you know, and I do a lot in my special.
I'm going to get a lot of shit for this because I'm basically defending guys the whole time.
joe rogan
What are you saying about that?
whitney cummings
No, it's just like, guys, I feel like now, they're like, I guess no one has pubes, that's just how it is now.
Like, if you're a guy that's into pubes, this isn't your moment.
Like, porn, like, you'd have to really go out of your way to find, or you have to go back to, like, 70s porn.
joe rogan
Or you just date a girl who's willing to grow it out for you if you're really into it.
But if you're really that into it, you should really ask yourself, why?
whitney cummings
Yeah.
Pubes?
joe rogan
Why do you care?
I used to have a bit about that too.
whitney cummings
This is like Rogan's greatest hits.
joe rogan
But when I was a kid, everyone had pubes.
It was a real thing.
That was a thing.
whitney cummings
Yeah, like shorts.
You just had like...
joe rogan
Girls had ridiculous pubes.
They didn't do anything about it.
whitney cummings
But now when you...
What was that?
When you electrolysis, it doesn't grow back.
joe rogan
What's the laser, right?
whitney cummings
Laser removal, it doesn't grow back.
So even if you want to grow them out now, you'd have to get like a little...
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd have to get a little...
whitney cummings
But I was talking to a gynecologist about that.
I was like, yeah, women are trying to get plugs now.
joe rogan
No.
whitney cummings
I swear to God.
Because guys are complaining about it.
unidentified
No.
whitney cummings
Because it's like...
joe rogan
Women are getting plugs.
unidentified
Plugs.
whitney cummings
Little vagina.
Pube plugs.
joe rogan
Oh my God, that's so great.
But it'll grow long like the hair on your head.
whitney cummings
I guess you'd have to take it from your head and put it down.
joe rogan
You'd have to trim it.
whitney cummings
You'd have to put it down.
joe rogan
Imagine you'd grow...
You know like braids?
Like pippy long stockings?
whitney cummings
Oh God.
Like little cornrows?
Weird.
But so yeah, I guess it was just like, I feel like the media wants to be like, these are so bad for society, just because everyone's outraged about everything now.
joe rogan
I think we should be curious.
I don't think they're necessarily that bad for society, but it's unquestionably weird.
That's weird.
But I don't know if it's that bad for society.
But getting back to what you're saying about men being shamed for what they like, what other examples other than pubic care?
whitney cummings
I just thought that was interesting.
There was like a wall of nipples you could choose from.
joe rogan
And men are ashamed?
whitney cummings
No, it's just that there was all different kinds of nipples.
There was long...
Oblong was one of the best sellers.
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ridiculously long nipples?
whitney cummings
Oblong.
Asymmetrical, big, dark ones.
joe rogan
When I was a kid, when I was 21, I dated a girl who had a wonky eye.
And I thought wonky eyes were hot for years afterwards.
whitney cummings
She's got two wonky eyes.
joe rogan
No, but she had a wonky eye.
Look at her.
One of them was a little off to the left.
And you didn't notice it until you're talking to her for a couple minutes.
You're like, oh, that's what's up.
whitney cummings
That's endearing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I thought it was hot.
I thought wonky eyes were hot for a long time.
She was hot.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it's like in my head, it's like wonky eyes were...
unidentified
What happened to her?
joe rogan
Oh, Jamie, put that away.
Just stop.
whitney cummings
That gives life.
unidentified
Don't do this to me.
whitney cummings
It gives life.
That has sustained the human species.
joe rogan
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, it's where the babies feed.
whitney cummings
But I do feel like there's just, you know, you only kind of see one type of nipple everywhere, you know?
Really?
And a lot of guys are...
Well, I don't know.
I mean, I guess I haven't seen that much porn.
I haven't seen...
joe rogan
Now I'm thinking about it, but some guys are in a giant areola.
whitney cummings
Yeah, that's right.
That's huge.
Giant areolas are huge.
Dark areolas are huge, which is interesting because I think there is a biological basis for that because once your nipples get dark, it means usually when you give birth, your nipples get darker so the baby can find the nipple.
unidentified
Really?
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
It gets darker.
whitney cummings
Nipples darken after childbirth.
unidentified
Whoa.
whitney cummings
So your baby can find it.
joe rogan
Whoa.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's all there blinking.
whitney cummings
Oh, is she?
joe rogan
You're never going to have a baby.
Does that make you feel weird?
whitney cummings
She might.
You never know.
joe rogan
She's looking at me.
whitney cummings
Let me ask her.
Are you going to have a baby?
unidentified
For sure.
whitney cummings
I don't want her anymore.
joe rogan
She's going to have one of them little alien chestburster babies.
She's going to come out screaming and run across the floor.
whitney cummings
Are robots going to destroy humans?
unidentified
Bullshit.
joe rogan
Wow, that sounds like a lie.
whitney cummings
This is bullshit.
I was really fascinated by this one roboticist.
The coolest part about having a robot is that I get to talk to all these fucking roboticists and he was saying that the big fear with robots is because they're all about efficiency.
And there was that one study where they told a robot to jump on the table.
And what you would do is you'd go, okay, you would just jump on the table.
But it actually took more energy to jump on the table than to just break the table and push it to the floor and step on top of it.
So it just went and just stepped on top of it.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
So it crushed the table.
whitney cummings
That's how we're going to die.
It's going to just see us as inefficient.
joe rogan
Ooh.
whitney cummings
And in the way.
We're going to just be obstacles.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And you won't see anything wrong with destroying an object.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
But humans destroy humans, too.
I'd rather get destroyed by a robot.
joe rogan
Really?
whitney cummings
Cooler story.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It seems so impersonal.
The moment when that robot sunk that blade into that guy in Ex Machina and just looking right at him while she was stabbing him.
There was no change in her expression.
whitney cummings
At all.
No compunction.
But I would feel better about it if a robot killed me.
I'd be like, oh, well, it didn't know.
It was just kind of a freak.
joe rogan
Would you feel better if a person killed you or an animal?
whitney cummings
Depends on the kind of animal.
joe rogan
Mountain lion.
whitney cummings
I have mountain lion in my yard.
joe rogan
I bet you do.
whitney cummings
How big are they?
Are mountain lions big?
joe rogan
I've only seen two in the wild.
And the ones I've seen were about 60 pounds, 70 pounds.
whitney cummings
Do they come right for your neck?
Do they know to just kill?
They go for your neck.
I would rather, I think, die by an animal.
Really?
You'd rather die by a human?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I don't know.
whitney cummings
I don't have a fighting chance with a human.
You do.
So I guess mine would be a little quicker.
I guess it depends on how.
joe rogan
I bring a knife.
whitney cummings
Really?
Yeah.
On your leg?
joe rogan
I have a fanny pack that I run with.
It's like a neoprene fanny pack that I keep my cell phone with.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I bring a knife that's strapped to the fanny pack.
whitney cummings
In case a mountain lion attacks you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I feel like you could beat up a mountain lion, though.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
Not without a knife.
But I think there's a couple seconds that you have while that thing grabs a hold of you.
That if you have presence of mind and you can pull that blade out and just start sticking it in its neck.
Just hacking at its neck.
whitney cummings
I think Marshall would get it.
joe rogan
No.
whitney cummings
Marshall will be in seven pieces on the ground.
joe rogan
He's not designed for killing.
He can kill squirrels.
That's about where it ends.
whitney cummings
I don't know.
There was something I've told you about when I got my ear bitten off before.
There was a weird sense of calm.
It was a weird feeling of just like, that was fair.
There was just something so quick about it.
Animals are so...
joe rogan
People don't know the story.
A dog you adopted was a little sketchy and bit my ear off.
How bad was it hanging off?
whitney cummings
Pretty bad.
I didn't feel anything in the moment.
That was the good news about that.
And I'm sure if an animal bit into my head, I'd probably feel more.
But it was like a rush of dopamine or whatever it was.
I did not feel pain until I saw it in the mirror.
So I was like, oh, that was weird.
Like it felt like an itch.
And then I looked in the mirror and my first thought was...
I didn't put on earrings today.
Like, I don't wear earrings.
Like, I thought it was like a hoop earring, and then the blood started coming down, and then I saw it, and it just started burning.
It wasn't like a pain.
And then I started watching videos about people that got attacked by sharks, and there's a girl who had her arm bitten off by a shark, Bethany something, and she said that it, like, almost felt orgasmic.
Because like dopamine rushes to the area to get you to keep fighting for your life basically because if you felt the pain you would give up.
So I didn't really feel a lot of pain until I got to the ER and then it started like throbbing after like a couple hours when the blood dried up and it just started to get uncomfortable and itchy.
But there was something that was so quick.
Like, animals don't really deliberate.
It was like, and that was it.
joe rogan
Why'd it bite your ear?
whitney cummings
I think he was just trying to play with me.
I took it to an aggression specialist, and the aggression specialist was like, this kind of dog gives you a warning.
They wouldn't just come right for you.
They'd growl first.
And also, if that dog was trying to kill you, it just would have.
It would have bitten your face.
joe rogan
Right, so he probably bit you just like you'd bite a dog.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Whereas if he bit a dog's skin, nothing would happen with that same amount of pressure.
unidentified
That's right.
whitney cummings
Ears are useless.
And it was probably taken from its mother too young.
joe rogan
She's giving you side eyes.
whitney cummings
Her ear has the same scar that mine does.
We molded all of it.
unidentified
Really?
whitney cummings
Yeah.
We molded my ears, my mouth, because it's amazing.
joe rogan
Let me see your scar.
I can't see it.
whitney cummings
You can see it right there.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
It's like you did jujitsu.
whitney cummings
Yeah, it's not like cauliflower-y.
unidentified
Wow.
whitney cummings
It's ugly, but all ears are ugly, I feel like.
joe rogan
They're not the best part.
whitney cummings
You know what I mean?
So I could get another surgery on it, but I don't give a shit.
Ears are fucking annoying.
unidentified
You have gray hair.
joe rogan
Cover it up with your hair.
whitney cummings
You have headphones.
Ears are annoying as shit because it doesn't hurt until six months later when the nerves start growing back in.
It hurts like fuck.
joe rogan
So then, like, six months later, it started annoying me?
whitney cummings
I started hurting.
I couldn't, like, sleep.
I had to sleep with this weird pillow and shit.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
whitney cummings
It's just, like, nettlesome, yeah.
joe rogan
I know so many guys that have fucked up ears from jujitsu.
whitney cummings
I bet.
joe rogan
So many guys.
whitney cummings
Are yours at all?
joe rogan
No, very little.
I have a few little tiny pieces like this that's cauliflower.
whitney cummings
And is that from the rubbing?
joe rogan
Yeah, from getting them bent over and crushed, getting caught in triangles.
But I always wore ear guards.
whitney cummings
Do you have to get him, like Brendan, doesn't he have to get his cut out or some shit?
joe rogan
If Brendan wants to, he would have to get his cut and get the, it calcifies.
Yeah, I used to have, my nose was filled with that.
Because my nose had been broken so many times, the inside of it was all calcified, and I couldn't breathe out of it.
My nose was useless.
So I had a deviated septum, too.
So they fixed the deviated septum.
They put the splints in there to keep it in place, and then they had to cut out all the scar tissue and all the nonsense in there.
whitney cummings
With like a laser?
Or just with a knife?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I was out cold.
I woke up and...
But I didn't get it done until I was 40. I couldn't breathe out of my nose.
whitney cummings
Like a bulldog.
joe rogan
Until I was 40. It was terrible.
It was terrible for my cardio, too.
whitney cummings
And then, so if you wear ear guards, you don't get it.
Because I feel like all the fighters I see have that shit.
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you wear ear guards, you don't get it.
I mean, unless you get it in a fight.
But most of it you get in training.
You know, like a lot of jujitsu guys, before they're a black belt, they have fucking mangled ears.
But it's also like a badge of courage.
Like, people like it.
whitney cummings
Yeah, and it also, yeah, you walk down the street, no one wants to fuck with you.
joe rogan
But it fucks up the way you hear things.
Like, if you take your ears, if you're talking right now, like, la, la, la, la, la, and then you just go like that.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you hear things.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
Check, check, check, check, check, check.
It's different.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
It sounds way different.
whitney cummings
Well, they're designed this way for a reason.
joe rogan
It catches sound.
whitney cummings
That's right.
Yeah.
The way that it's kind of...
But it's also...
I don't recommend getting a surgery on it.
A surgery on your ear is fucking...
I've gotten many surgeries.
This is by far the most painful.
unidentified
Right.
whitney cummings
The healing of the cartilage is a fucking nightmare.
And to anesthetize the ear, they had to put the syringe in the lacerations.
So they were like, it's going to hurt more to anesthetize this, so we're just going to do the surgery without anesthesia.
And I just took a bunch of painkillers and shit.
Because it's hard to get anesthesia into cartilage.
joe rogan
I know guys, their ears are so fucked up, they can't get AirPods in there.
They just have a hole, like a tiny pinhole.
whitney cummings
On this side, I have a piercing right there.
This was for, because I get migraines, and they say this piercing helps with migraines.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
whitney cummings
It's probably just psychosomatic.
joe rogan
Oh, now my migraines are fine.
whitney cummings
I know, totally.
Placebo effect is an effect.
I rely on it heavily.
But that was just, that didn't hurt in there.
joe rogan
No?
whitney cummings
Until it didn't hurt when it went through, but then it hurt for six months after.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
whitney cummings
Yours are a fucking nightmare.
I'll tell you what.
But yeah, so we got her ear molded.
Because it's amazing.
I think something that, and I was talking to this facial transplant person about how it's actually really hard to get something to look similar.
Like the bone start, everything's got to be perfect.
Like my nose is really asymmetrical.
My nostrils are really asymmetrical.
So they had to work really hard and mold it over and over again.
joe rogan
How do nostrils become asymmetrical?
whitney cummings
It's bad breeding.
joe rogan
Really?
whitney cummings
It's bad genetics.
You've met me.
My whole face is a Picasso painting.
I mean, my face is a fucking mess, you know?
So, you have to have the asymmetry down.
joe rogan
Right.
whitney cummings
And they say the key to something looking human is a lack of symmetry, because symmetry is actually creepy.
joe rogan
Do you remember that movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers?
whitney cummings
Yeah, not really.
joe rogan
Donald Sutherland?
unidentified
Great fucking movie.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, great movie.
I watched it again recently, within the last couple years.
It was great.
Real weird, too, because it's a time capsule.
Because it's a time capsule to San Francisco in the 1970s when they filmed it.
Really, really weird.
But the idea was that these pods, they came from outer space, they grew, and then when you had them in your house, they would create a double of you that would take you over.
If you came home and you saw that, because it looks like you, but it doesn't look like you.
whitney cummings
What is different about it besides the lack of wrinkles?
joe rogan
It's not you.
whitney cummings
And shininess.
joe rogan
No, it's just not you.
It's not even that close.
whitney cummings
Well, because it has pores.
It has individually added pores.
joe rogan
Can you grab her and bring her closer to you?
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bring her over here.
whitney cummings
I'll try.
Hold on.
First of all, here's her...
joe rogan
What is that part?
whitney cummings
This is her just travel bust.
joe rogan
Oh, she has a travel bust?
If you just want to have the head, you can plug in just the head, right?
unidentified
Come here.
whitney cummings
Yeah, if you just need her head for something.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, bring her right next to you.
There you go.
And get your head right close to her.
It's like, the skin tone's different.
whitney cummings
They made her six months ago and I already look 40 years older.
I did 50 cities and I've aged.
joe rogan
She looks super uncomfortable right next to you.
whitney cummings
Oh, really?
That's because she has to share a fucking spotlight and she doesn't like it.
This, I hope, looks different.
These ratchet-ass fingers, I hope, do not look different.
joe rogan
Yeah, so her fingers, people can't see.
It's like the skin is coming off of the finger.
Like the robot parts are showing.
whitney cummings
This is actually...
joe rogan
Does not compute.
whitney cummings
The guys that buy these on the chat rooms, they usually spend most of the time talking to each other about how to fix the fingers because they break them off by accident constantly.
joe rogan
When we stick them in their ass.
whitney cummings
Yes, exactly.
Rubbing them constantly on their taint.
And it becomes like a car club where guys are like 3D printing fingernails and 3D printing eyeballs.
It's mostly just fixing them.
It becomes like fixing up an old car.
It's just like a hobby because they break so easily.
At least this iteration of them does.
But yeah, you can...
I mean, it's...
Yeah, it's pretty fucking wild.
I mean, she can...
joe rogan
Oh, that's made noise when you did that.
whitney cummings
Yeah, she's kind of rickety.
I think she's arthritic.
joe rogan
But if you came home and that was in your house, standing there staring at you, what kind of a fucking heart attack would you have if you didn't know that you had, like if you didn't have this, right?
If you didn't go through all the process, you went, and one day you put the key to your lock, you open up your door, you step inside your house, and she's standing there in like some sexy lingerie or in a bikini or something like that staring at you.
What a fucking heart attack you would have.
whitney cummings
No, I'd have a stroke.
joe rogan
It doesn't look like a human.
whitney cummings
She doesn't.
I mean, but they will at some point.
She's like fucking a My Buddy.
I mean, she's like a ratchet Chucky, you know?
joe rogan
Well, it's the Uncanny Valley, right?
She's in the Uncanny Valley, where it's not quite a human.
I went to NVIDIA once.
They're a video card...
Video game.
They make video cards for computers.
Like really high-end graphics cards for gamers and stuff like that.
And one of the things that they had was...
And this was quite a few years ago.
They had the state-of-the-art fake CGI person that you could kind of talk to.
And it was animated.
And they were like, we're not quite there.
We can't do the mouth.
Like the tongue.
You can't do the tongue correctly.
unidentified
Nope.
whitney cummings
I'll show you.
Because the muscles, that's what's so fascinating.
joe rogan
Yeah, there it is.
This is what we looked at.
This is exactly the guy that we looked at.
Is this the video of the show that I did?
jamie vernon
That's like 2013 Faceworks.
You can look it up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
whitney cummings
That's wild.
joe rogan
So this was the guy.
And he's also bald because they can't do the hair right.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Of course, this was six years ago.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But look how close it is.
Look at the skin.
whitney cummings
That's pretty amazing.
Like stubble.
I mean, that's like razor burn.
unidentified
Yeah.
whitney cummings
And also the eyebrows are really good.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's still uncanny.
It's still not quite a person.
There's something wrong.
But that's video, which is better to duplicate than...
whitney cummings
Those wrinkles are good.
It's wild because it does make you realize flaws are what makes something look human.
We spend all of our time trying to be without flaws, but that's actually what sells it.
joe rogan
Well, as a woman, how do you feel about that?
Like that...
And we've talked about this before with guys.
Guys that use filters on their pictures.
whitney cummings
I thought you were going to say fillers because guys do that too now.
joe rogan
They do that too.
That's weird.
They're both equally weird.
But there's something particularly disturbing to me about guys who use filters.
I only know one.
whitney cummings
I'm glad I'm not single.
That's all I'm going to say.
It's alarming, but a lot of guys do it.
Guys are also getting fucking calf implants and shit.
What?
joe rogan
Who's getting calf implants?
whitney cummings
I don't think anyone we know, but calf implants are a fucking thing.
joe rogan
No.
It's a big deal?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
It's a big deal?
whitney cummings
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
I thought that was a joke.
jamie vernon
I don't believe so.
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
I never watched Entourage.
whitney cummings
People get calf implants.
Guys are getting facelifts.
All kinds of shit.
You know?
I know.
Guys are getting lip injections.
But what they say...
joe rogan
But guys who suck dicks get lip injections.
whitney cummings
Yes, I would imagine.
joe rogan
That's a different thing.
whitney cummings
I don't know.
I know guys that wear makeup...
joe rogan
Guys that wear makeup.
whitney cummings
What's going on here?
joe rogan
Is this a calf implant website?
jamie vernon
It's just Google Images for calf implants.
joe rogan
Look at that one on the lower left.
By the way, you can just run hills, you pussy.
whitney cummings
But when you do this, can you still exercise?
Can you grow muscle underneath it?
joe rogan
Wow, that guy's calves look very impressive on the right.
I do have to say.
They changed him.
whitney cummings
It's shortcuts.
How much are these...
joe rogan
Oh, those look so fake.
whitney cummings
Those look like tits that fell down.
joe rogan
You know what those look like?
Like a cop.
Like an athletic cop that you put over your balls.
whitney cummings
Yeah, it does.
It looks like a fencer.
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Had to keep from getting kicked in the nuts.
whitney cummings
Yeah, no.
He did that at the fucking mini mall in Reseda.
joe rogan
Yeah, he made a mistake.
whitney cummings
That's a bad idea.
joe rogan
How about that guy down there with a tattoo?
whitney cummings
Are those bad or good right there?
joe rogan
Look at this one.
That's pretty damn realistic.
whitney cummings
What does it hang on to is what I don't understand.
I used to really be into the surgery channel.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, it's got to be like a tit.
whitney cummings
Like a fake tit.
Yeah, silicone or water-based or something like that.
But how do you live with yourself?
unidentified
I don't know.
whitney cummings
That feels like a tricky one.
joe rogan
I guess you just do.
You're probably just trying to get laid and you're sad anyway.
whitney cummings
Oh, no.
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
Oh, look at the scars.
unidentified
Oh, no!
whitney cummings
Oh, it looks like that's some Pinocchio shit right there.
I don't like that.
What's the thing on the left?
Has it rotted?
What are all those veins?
jamie vernon
I think you got the implants to take care of that problem.
whitney cummings
Well, I'm glad my robot's the least disturbing thing you've seen.
joe rogan
So it looks like he has some injuries.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like you got bit by wolves.
jamie vernon
This is why I got him.
whitney cummings
Because he got eaten by wolves?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what it looks like.
whitney cummings
Where?
jamie vernon
They sliced right behind his knee and just dropped him in.
joe rogan
But look at his, there was no other options.
whitney cummings
His legs weren't great.
joe rogan
Well, here's the other option.
Don't get calf implants.
whitney cummings
And stop running around outside with wolves.
joe rogan
No, I'm just saying.
I don't think you really got bit by wolves, but that does happen.
But if wolves get you, they usually get you to get you.
Coyotes might do that to your calves.
whitney cummings
Yeah, there's no margin of error with wolves.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just break the bones of your leg with one bite.
jamie vernon
This guy had an injury because of a car accident when he was younger.
joe rogan
And his calves wouldn't grow?
whitney cummings
Yeah, I think a lot of it's reconstructive.
jamie vernon
It's just one sentence about it.
joe rogan
Oh.
whitney cummings
Yeah, but a lot of guys get that shit.
joe rogan
I knew a guy who had pec implants.
He was a skinny guy.
whitney cummings
They're breast implants.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got pec implants.
He got under his meat of his chest to make his chest poke forward more.
whitney cummings
And so is that something somebody does because they can't accomplish it naturally or they're just lazy and cutting corners?
joe rogan
You'd have to ask them, but the reality is there's things, some people are ectomorphs, and ectomorphs are like really thin people that have an incredibly hard time gaining weight.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Their body just doesn't- Metabolism.
Yeah, it doesn't grow mass.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Their muscles don't grow right.
unidentified
Yeah.
whitney cummings
Male plastic surgery is a really big thing now, but putting filters on it, I don't know, it feels like a slippery- I fucking love that show, Botched.
Love it.
joe rogan
One episode was actually pretty interesting, where a guy had been in an injury and he got his breast destroyed, his peck, and they had to fix it.
unidentified
How?
joe rogan
That's wild.
He just said nothing there.
So you had like one that was like here.
There was a guy who was a fighter who's a high-level UFC fighter.
His name is Trey Tellegman.
He fought Vitor Belfort in 1997. He was Vitor Belfort's inaugural fight in the UFC. And we didn't know about Vitor when Vitor was 19 years old.
And I knew who he was because I was training with Vitor back then.
I was a white belt at Carlson Gracie's school on Hawthorne in West Hollywood.
So we knew he was this phenomenal talent, but a lot of people didn't know that he was this incredible boxer at this crazy hand speed.
And he lit this dude up.
But anyway, Trey Tellegman was in a car accident when he was a little kid.
And he didn't have a peck.
Like, his chest was caved in.
See if you photograph of Trey Tellegman.
The guy was a stud, too, and a handsome fella, too.
But everything else just super jacked.
But he had this crazy peck injury.
whitney cummings
I mean, also...
unidentified
Look at this.
joe rogan
Look at that.
See that?
whitney cummings
Oh, fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Jesus!
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Well, he was a baby, I think, and he was in a car accident.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
He had a pretty significant injury.
whitney cummings
That would psych me out.
joe rogan
Yeah, if a guy took his clothes off and you saw that?
whitney cummings
I mean, I just mean, if that's your opponent, you're just like, oh, fuck.
joe rogan
Right.
whitney cummings
That's badass.
There's something hot about it.
I think there's something primal of like, he's fucking survived some shit.
Stick with him.
There's something hot about that.
joe rogan
Like that dude from The Wire with that scar across his face?
whitney cummings
Totally.
Any kind of proof of injury, proof that you've been in battle is attractive to my primal brain.
I hate myself for it.
joe rogan
Do you know that the Nazis used to have dueling scars that were very popular across the face?
It was a big deal.
They would get them on purpose.
They would get into duels with swords, and they would have dueling scars.
And a lot of the Operation Paperclip Nazis that we got from Germany at the end of World War II When NASA took on a bunch of German scientists, a lot of them had these horrific dueling scars on their face.
whitney cummings
That they did on purpose?
joe rogan
No, they would get in boarding school and in military school.
They would get in fights with swords, and they would cut each other's faces open.
whitney cummings
Weren't they on meth and shit, too?
Weren't they on amphetamines?
joe rogan
For sure.
But that was more the Japanese.
That was the kamikazes.
The kamikazes is the way they got them to fly into boats and just fucking explode their fucking airplanes.
The way they got them to do that was they were methed out of their mind.
America!
Fuck yeah!
Try to find a picture of Nazi dueling scars.
It's crazy because some guys that were hanging out with Werner Herzog.
No, Werner Von Braun.
Werner Herzog's the director.
whitney cummings
The director of the occupant.
joe rogan
Yeah, Werner Von Braun.
The guy who was the head of NASA when they went to the moon.
He had these guys that were working with him and these giant scars across their face.
Huge.
whitney cummings
Footlong scars.
Was it like a ritual to show your pecking order?
joe rogan
Yeah, which showed you were They're badass that you had gone through, but it was a big thing with the Nazis.
And there's some horrific photos of these guys, young kids with huge, gaping, open wounds.
See, here's the photos.
Holy...
whitney cummings
Oh, Jesus!
joe rogan
Zoom in on the...
Yeah, see, this is a guy...
This is right after the dueling cults.
That's...
jamie vernon
I was just reading an article on this that said that women found it attractive, so some guys actually would do it on purpose.
They would have doctors slice off their fucking cheek.
joe rogan
Well, look at this guy right here with the goggles.
Go to that guy with the goggles.
whitney cummings
Right there?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look at that.
He's got two big scars on his face, and they had the goggles so they didn't cut their fucking eyes out.
whitney cummings
This is before anesthesia.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
See, so he's got a plate over his nose to keep his nose intact, because he couldn't really stitch that bitch back on.
But they would take these huge scars on their cheeks, because they would be dueling with real fucking swords, and they would have these practice dueling matches.
And then they'd have to stitch them up, so these guys all had these huge scars.
By the way, when it comes back to cauliflower ears, a lot of guys did that themselves on purple.
Look, they're stitching them up.
Whoa!
A lot of guys did that themselves.
To get the cauliflower ears?
Yeah, they would smash their ears.
Oh yeah, all the time.
Recently?
whitney cummings
Because it makes you look tough?
joe rogan
Yeah, a lot of white belts that want to be like badasses, they'd smash their fucking ears.
whitney cummings
Don't they fucking drip too?
Leak?
unidentified
Yeah.
whitney cummings
Explode and explode.
Don't they explode?
joe rogan
Sometimes.
unidentified
Sometimes it fights.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, they can break off, too.
There was one fight that I was watching once where a chunk of this guy's ear, because it's calcified, you know, it's hard.
Have you ever touched a cauliflower ear?
whitney cummings
I have.
joe rogan
It feels like a rock.
whitney cummings
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
It's because it's calcium.
unidentified
It's a rock.
whitney cummings
Yeah, it's like crystallized.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's literally like a mineral rock, and it's inside your fucking ear.
Randy Couture, who had these crazy ones, used to take it and grind it into people's faces.
Like, so he would be like in a head and arm position, and He would shove his bad ear into your fucking eyeball.
whitney cummings
Points for creativity.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
whitney cummings
Is this one that exploded?
joe rogan
That's Leslie Smith.
She was fighting Jessica Ai, and Jessica Ai cracked her with a punch, and it literally, like, caught.
whitney cummings
Did she go purposely for it?
joe rogan
No.
No, she's just beating her up.
In the process of beating her up, she caught her ear, and it was hanging out and opening.
And Leslie Smith's so fucking tough, she didn't want to stop the fight.
She was mad they stopped the fight.
whitney cummings
That was recent, right?
joe rogan
Ear was hanging off.
That was a long time.
I mean, not a long time ago, but about four years ago.
whitney cummings
Do you think...
I mean, would there ever be human versus robot fights?
joe rogan
Sure, yeah.
whitney cummings
I can't wait.
joe rogan
They would have to dial the robots down, right?
Like when I was talking about...
We were talking about before the show started that I think it would be cool to have a robot that moved at like 50%, like a martial arts robot, that you would be able to practice technique on.
So you just would...
You'd basically, what you would do is do drills, right?
Like you do like a Dutch combination, which is one, two, left hook to the body, right leg kick.
And you would do it like, while it's in front of you, advancing, you'd pop, pop, bang, boom!
And it would have to like react to your punches, but it would do everything like 50% speed.
So you could take a chance of this thing hitting you, but it probably wouldn't.
It would provide you with enough movement so that you could develop patterns in your mind, and your body would synchronize with these patterns, so that in a real fight, you would have these things sort of ingrained.
One of the things that happens in a fight is...
Things happen that you don't think of.
You just do them, and you don't realize you were even going to do them until you already did it.
whitney cummings
Right.
joe rogan
Because it's like you've drilled them into your subconscious.
unidentified
Right, right.
joe rogan
So you could do that with a robot, and then maybe you could ramp the robot up to three-quarter speed if you got really good at it.
Then you could really move and duck, and it would be throwing punches at you, trying to hit you, and you could slip.
whitney cummings
And they can record you so you can see what you're doing.
Would that be helpful?
joe rogan
Yeah, that would if you could look through the robot's eyes.
whitney cummings
You could just put a fucking GoPro on it.
They're going to have eyes cameras soon.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then you're going to see someone's dickhole spoogeing right into the camera.
whitney cummings
I don't want to fucking hack that footage.
Log out.
unidentified
Log the fuck out.
joe rogan
Unlike a woman, she's not even going to flinch.
Like, if you see porns, it's one thing about porns, it's like the moment the load hits, no matter how good of an actress is, the moment the load hits, like...
whitney cummings
There's always a brace for impact.
Always a flinch.
Even the most numb...
joe rogan
Unless they're real pros.
A real pro just takes it on the mug and just...
whitney cummings
I don't know.
joe rogan
Like boxers.
Some boxers, there's photos of them where they're getting hit where their R's are wide open.
They never squint.
whitney cummings
Ever since Tumblr doesn't have porn, I feel like I'm off the map.
joe rogan
Tumblr doesn't have porn?
whitney cummings
No.
joe rogan
It used to?
whitney cummings
It used to have porn.
It wasn't one of the most popular porn sites?
unidentified
What?
whitney cummings
Yeah.
And they stopped doing porn.
Do you know why?
joe rogan
Probably because people were complaining.
whitney cummings
It was making too much money.
It's too lucrative.
joe rogan
Oh, they were making money off the Tumblr sites?
whitney cummings
Oh, yeah.
It was like a blog site and people were putting all this porn and they were getting shut down.
joe rogan
Well, Twitter has porn.
whitney cummings
Yes, it does.
I follow Joey Diaz.
unidentified
Ha!
whitney cummings
I'm fully fucking aware.
joe rogan
Twitter is a lot of porn, actually.
whitney cummings
I didn't realize that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
whitney cummings
I only follow fucking annoying-ass news bullshit.
unidentified
Do you?
whitney cummings
Yeah.
I mean, Twitter, I'm just like all my friends and news outlets.
I don't know if I want to jerk off in between CNN and Business Insider.
joe rogan
I look at Twitter so infrequently now, because every time I look at it, it seems to be fighting.
whitney cummings
It's exhausting.
joe rogan
Arguing.
whitney cummings
You know what helped me?
Because I was like, this special, and I loved your special because, like, you acknowledge, you're like, I'm gonna get in trouble for this, like, you're gonna be so, like, that was just so fucking smart.
When I was writing this special, it's the first time I've ever done one where I started cutting bits, because I was like, it's just not worth the fighting.
Like, I don't even want to fucking deal with it, you know?
Like, I had this whole bit on Marilyn Monroe, and how I don't think she's a, like...
I feel like she's being forced on us as a feminist icon.
All my girlfriends are posting photos of Marilyn Monroe, being like, you know, always show up two hours late, keep a man waiting.
I'm like, this woman is a fucking asshole.
She's a slob, and she's not my Gloria Steinem.
And I was just like, oh, they're going to say I don't like women, and I'm shaming, slut-shaming.
I was just like, it's not even fucking worth it.
joe rogan
Well, she's a weird one, right?
Because she fucked everybody.
Which is not bad.
It's not bad to fuck everybody.
But she fucked everybody, and apparently that's...
The real conspiracy is that the Kennedys had her killed.
Because she was banging JFK, and then she was banging...
RFK, and apparently she loose lips sinks ships.
whitney cummings
Yep, can't do it.
joe rogan
She was yapping a lot.
whitney cummings
And look, I'm gorgeous, good for her, for making, back then, making money the way you had to, but I just, let's let her be what she was.
Why, you know, I think that she, that Hedy Lamarr should get the credit that she gets.
You know, I mean, you talk about Hedy in your special.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, Hedy was a fucking genius.
unidentified
Badass.
joe rogan
She was a legitimate genius.
unidentified
Gangster.
whitney cummings
Nobody gives a shit.
joe rogan
Responsible for Wi-Fi.
whitney cummings
People use Wi-Fi mostly to Google Marilyn Monroe quotes.
If Hedy Lamarr came back to life, she'd be like, so did my invention, did it ever come of anything?
We'd be like, yeah, good news, bad news.
We mostly use it to Google the horror version of you.
No, I don't.
I love Marilyn Monroe.
I just feel like there's this thing now where, you know, women, we can't criticize any woman ever or else we get in trouble, you know?
And I think we have to be able to call people.
Like I say in my special, I talk about the difference between women that are...
Does anyone have any girlfriends that think they're feminists but they're actually just assholes?
You know?
joe rogan
That's so true.
whitney cummings
And I know that I'm going to get shit for it.
joe rogan
Well, that's like the men's rights guys.
How many of the men's rights guys just like they talk about women like they're pieces of meat?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, is that really men's rights?
Or are you just a piece of shit?
Are you like, what are you doing here?
You teaching people that they need to have rights?
You're teaching men how to manipulate vulnerable people.
whitney cummings
And how do you have this kind of time?
It's profitable.
joe rogan
You know, those books are profitable.
whitney cummings
Oh, it's like a whole business.
joe rogan
Yeah, those books.
I mean, guys give seminars on how to pick up women, right?
whitney cummings
Oh, right, like the game?
joe rogan
Yeah, game theory.
whitney cummings
I remember when I first came to L.A., guys would do that.
joe rogan
They would try it on you?
whitney cummings
Yes, the first thing you do, well, you're supposed to ignore, it's negging, right?
You're supposed to ignore them, and then you're supposed to do a compliment that's actually an insult.
Like, every guy, when I first moved here, would be like, I really like how your eyes are crooked.
Like, it was like every guy would make the same thing.
joe rogan
Who's that?
whitney cummings
Oh, that's the pickup artist guy.
jamie vernon
His name's Mystery.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
The game, he's like the host of the show.
whitney cummings
What?
joe rogan
His name is Mystery?
Does he have a fake lip tattoo on his neck?
Is that what that is?
jamie vernon
Lips, kisses?
Yeah, I think so.
whitney cummings
Why does he have two cock rings on his ear?
jamie vernon
Like lipstick kind of thing.
joe rogan
All right.
whitney cummings
Okay.
joe rogan
I like the furry hat.
whitney cummings
Yuck.
joe rogan
So he had a whole thing he was doing for a while.
whitney cummings
Is he got eyeliner on?
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
Who am I to judge?
whitney cummings
Chris Angel.
Madness.
And then you would try to ignore the girl.
It was this whole thing where you're supposed to be mean to her to make her like you or some shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, well that works on really vulnerable people.
whitney cummings
And pretty girls who are used to compliments and used to getting a lot of attention.
joe rogan
Well, for men that are ignored and that have faced rejection over and over and over again, they view women as, if not the enemy, as some source of negative feelings, right?
And for you to get over on them would be to get some of that back.
whitney cummings
Right.
joe rogan
All those bad feelings, bad encounters, negative interactions that you've had with women.
I had a friend that was like that.
Over the time that I knew him, I met him when he was in his 20s and as time went on into his 30s, he became more and more bitter and angry because he wasn't very attractive.
And he would have these interactions with women and they would wind up dumping him or abusing him.
And he just got fucking angry.
And then as he got older, he was just an angry guy.
He just hated women.
And it was just because of rejection.
He associated them with pain and emotional discomfort.
And so for a guy like that, he wasn't into the game or anything like that.
But for some of those guys that are vulnerable, like this incel thing.
A lot of these men, involuntary celibates, they develop these forum groups and subreddits, and they meet up and talk about what to do, and maybe I'll get facial surgery.
whitney cummings
Look no further.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they want women.
Ultimately, that's a compromise.
They want a real woman.
They just got a shit roll of the dice, genetically.
whitney cummings
Yeah, I don't know a ton about it.
I mean, I've read articles about it and stuff, but can they not get hookers or don't want to?
joe rogan
Well, that's a problem because hookers are illegal, right?
whitney cummings
Right.
joe rogan
Like, you know, if you get hookers, you've got to go through some sort of shady black market.
whitney cummings
Go to fucking Dantana's.
joe rogan
They're everywhere.
unidentified
Is that where they go?
Dantana's?
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
whitney cummings
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That old restaurant?
whitney cummings
Dantana's.
Yeah.
Joey Diaz was actually telling me about that.
unidentified
Spaghetti and steak.
whitney cummings
Friday nights at Dantana's.
unidentified
Really?
whitney cummings
He says, yeah.
joe rogan
Friday nights, cocksucker.
unidentified
Yeah, that's exactly right.
joe rogan
But Joey will have you convinced.
You'll go there with a fucking newspaper.
I know.
There's no hookers.
You'll be pretending.
I'll sit here and wait.
I'll just read the paper and they'll show up.
unidentified
No hookers.
Yeah.
whitney cummings
I remember I used to go to the Four Seasons all the time and people would come in like, ma'am, are you here to see?
Like, they always thought I was a prostitute.
joe rogan
What?
whitney cummings
They're in the lobby.
Yeah.
Four Seasons in Beverly Hills, Peninsula.
joe rogan
They thought you were a hooker and they're trying to get rid of you?
whitney cummings
Yeah.
Oh, they'd be like, ma'am, are you here to see somebody?
Like, if I ever showed up alone.
Because hookers just wander around the Four Seasons lobby.
joe rogan
Oh, how weird.
whitney cummings
They're predatory.
joe rogan
Little coyotes.
whitney cummings
Oh my god, of course.
joe rogan
I used to call them coyotes when we used to go to the Sky Bar across the street.
Does that still exist?
whitney cummings
Fuck the Mondrian Sky Bar.
joe rogan
Does that exist anymore?
whitney cummings
I think so.
It's across from the comedy store.
joe rogan
Yeah, I used to have a whole bit about them, the coyotes.
Because they were like, they would prey on these guys.
I was hanging out once with me and a friend of mine, and we heard this conversation between this fat, balding guy and this really pretty girl with big tits.
And he was like, do you coke?
Do you coke?
She's like, yeah, sometimes.
And I was like...
Because they would prey on these vulnerable...
Like a pug.
Like a pug that got out of the yard.
That's what I felt like, because these women would have this feral look in their eyes.
Like, when you're down to fucking people for money, and that's how you're getting by, and you've got some cocaine in your purse, maybe a few dollars, and you probably don't eat well, and you don't have a lot of money, and whatever money you do have...
He's spending on drugs or whatever, and there's a feeling that you get when you're around them, like they're feral.
unidentified
Yeah.
whitney cummings
Every day we're hustling.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're hustling.
And they're looking for these vulnerable guys with money.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so that's what, you know, that place would be the place where they would go.
whitney cummings
Yeah, Mondrian, I remember when I first moved there, yeah, you like wait in line to get in.
joe rogan
And there's a pool.
And occasionally when people were really drunk, they'd jump in the fucking pool.
whitney cummings
Pam Anderson famously got naked and jumped in that pool.
That was like the...
Which, yeah, don't...
joe rogan
That's a...
whitney cummings
I've already had a public fight with her.
I don't want to get it.
joe rogan
You did?
whitney cummings
Yeah, on the roast.
She was on the David Hasselhoff roast.
And, I mean, I apologized to her.
unidentified
What did you say?
joe rogan
Did you say something?
whitney cummings
I said, uh, I believe I said, Pam Anderson, you fucked Tommy Lee, Kid Rock, and who's the other one?
Oh, you fucked Tommy Lee, Bret Michaels, and Kid Rock.
Why don't you just save yourself some time and drink a vat of Magic Johnson's blood?
Oh, shit.
I said a lot of shit about her vagina.
joe rogan
Whoa.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
And she got mad at you?
whitney cummings
It didn't go great.
I mean, all this shit.
I just got asked to do the next roast, and I was like, I don't even know if you can fucking do roasts anymore.
joe rogan
Well, roast battle still exists.
They still go hard in the paint on Tuesday night at the Comedy Store.
unidentified
That's right.
whitney cummings
We just did it.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
That's tonight.
whitney cummings
Yeah, we just did it in San Francisco, and it was so fun, but I still found myself being like...
I mean, when we did Joan Rivers, I said, Joan Rivers is so old, her vagina has a separate entrance for black cocks.
unidentified
We used to just be able to say that shit.
whitney cummings
And today, I would fucking be run out of town.
joe rogan
No, you just said it.
whitney cummings
I did!
unidentified
Fuck!
whitney cummings
And then, I mean, I remember people used to think jokes were funny.
People used to have a sense of humor.
I mean, even fucking Joan, you know?
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
For Joan, her whole career.
whitney cummings
My opening joke for her was, Joan, I loved you in The Wrestler.
She thought it was hilarious.
joe rogan
She had a good sense of humor.
whitney cummings
The best.
And she had such a good sense of humor.
Even during the roast, her face from plastic surgery was so frozen.
Because every time someone tells a joke, you'll check in to see if the person that's being roasted is laughing to make sure.
And we would look at her, and Greg Giraldo was just fucking hammering her, and the audience was nervous.
And then she said it.
She's like, I'm laughing.
I had too much Botox.
She had to subtitle her face so that we all knew she was okay.
joe rogan
I did.
We did the Brea Improv once with Joey Diaz and Ari Shafir, and we got barbecued in the green room.
I mean, just barbecued.
We went way too far.
And Joan Rivers and her television show, when she did a television show with her daughter, it was on TV. I don't know what show it was.
It was a reality show.
whitney cummings
Okay.
joe rogan
And we were watching it on the screen, and her face looked like a kabuki mask.
It was just frozen.
whitney cummings
Did you see the documentary?
joe rogan
No.
whitney cummings
A piece of work?
unidentified
No.
whitney cummings
You see her, she goes and gets it and talks about it.
joe rogan
Why was she doing that?
unidentified
It didn't make her look better.
whitney cummings
I don't know.
I mean, look, I definitely get nervous sometimes.
And people, everyone always accuse me of doing shit to my face.
I'm like, no, you'll know.
I'll look like a fucking moon bounce.
joe rogan
Are you worried that you're going to do it eventually?
whitney cummings
Yes, for sure.
joe rogan
Why do people accuse you of it?
Because you don't look like you did.
whitney cummings
Thank you.
joe rogan
You have a very thin nose, though.
People would worry that you did your nose.
whitney cummings
It's wild because you'd think I got my nose done, but my nostrils are crooked.
I went to a doctor in Beverly Hills because I had sinus problems for the longest time.
And he actually said, you know, you have a septic...
What is it?
Deviated septum?
unidentified
Deviated septum.
whitney cummings
He's like, you have a deviated septum.
And I was like, what are you doing?
He was like...
We can get a nose job.
Totally.
And I never did it because...
joe rogan
But your nose is thin.
whitney cummings
Thank you.
joe rogan
If he did it, what would he do?
Make it thinner?
whitney cummings
Make my nostrils equal.
Even.
They're really asymmetrical.
And it's like problematic.
joe rogan
It's problematic.
whitney cummings
When I do something in television, sometimes they have to fix my nostrils in post to make them even.
joe rogan
Who gives a fuck about your nostrils?
whitney cummings
It's just distracting.
joe rogan
I feel like those things are there just to find out who's really weird.
Like if you're really freaking out about someone's asymmetrical nostrils.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
It's just, I mean, the key to most movie stars is they're symmetrical.
You know?
They're just like...
You know, think about it.
The most beautiful women in the world have some symmetry.
But yeah, I don't, it's wild.
I mean, I have, I mean, I talk about it in my special.
I have had surgery on my boobs.
I did have boobs done.
joe rogan
Hollow.
whitney cummings
Which is kind of, this might interest you.
I was learning, because I had all kinds of shit, and the way that they make boobs look good is, because I think I heard you talking about someone about the shitty old breast implants.
The way they make them good now is that they put you on like a crucifix.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
whitney cummings
And they do the surgery while you're standing up.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
So you're out cold?
whitney cummings
Yeah, so that they fall out.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
Really?
Oh, that's nuts.
whitney cummings
So I finally went to a guy that knew how to do that.
unidentified
Woo!
whitney cummings
Yeah, it's fucking wild.
But so I admit what I have, you know, but it is alarming because it does feel like female comedians, a couple of famous ones that we know when they age, went down that route.
I don't know if it's like the same thing that got you into comedy, it's the same thing that made you think you had to do that.
I've read a lot of stuff about childhood sexual abuse.
When people go really off the grid with their face, that's like a type of dysmorphia.
Or a lot of psychologists have said, because I've talked to a therapist whose job is in dysmorphia to advise on whether another surgery should be done by somebody, like if they're getting dysmorphic.
And a lot of times, if you've had childhood sexual abuse, you want to change your face so that you don't see the person in the mirror that got a bit.
joe rogan
Well, that's the Michael Jackson thing.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
It's like a childhood trauma thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Michael Jackson thing was always that he hated his father and he hated looking at his father in his own face.
whitney cummings
So when it's that extreme, I try to not judge because I'm like, oh, there might be some psychological shit that I don't know about.
joe rogan
For sure.
whitney cummings
But it's getting worse and worse with this Instagram shit because kids are growing.
I mean, it used to be like, we had acne and we'd go to school with acne.
But now it's like you're projecting this flawless, perfect face and then you have to show up to school with fucking acne the next day.
joe rogan
Also, it's like people want their face to actually look like an Instagram filter, which is bananas.
whitney cummings
Bananas.
Photoshopped.
joe rogan
But again, it's a test to see who's fucked up.
Who wants that?
Not girl.
Who wants that as far as guy?
What guy wants that?
whitney cummings
I'm so confounded by what I'm seeing.
Also, you just want to look like everybody else when you're young.
joe rogan
The weird thing is women wanting to be super skinny.
That's a weird one.
whitney cummings
I feel like that's always been around, no?
joe rogan
Well, it's a model skinny thing.
It's not attractive to men.
Men like asses.
I mean, everyone's different, right?
I like girls with meat.
whitney cummings
Well, because that also translates to fertility.
I mean, it's like we want someone that looks fertile.
Oh, sure.
Healthy.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want a girl who can carry a couch with me.
For real.
whitney cummings
That's really endearing.
joe rogan
I want a girl who can pick up the end of the couch.
Come on, let's move it over here.
I don't expect you to pick up the whole couch.
unidentified
Pick up that fucking end of the couch.
whitney cummings
Yeah, pull your weight.
joe rogan
It's going to be harder for you than me, but we don't have to carry it that far.
whitney cummings
I don't know this trend of super skinny, because it doesn't really make sense on a primordial level why you would want that.
joe rogan
It's a model thing, because for clothes, they want a girl to be a clothes hanger.
whitney cummings
Yeah, that's right.
joe rogan
They want a skinny girl that just looks good, sashaying down the runway with her bag of bones...
whitney cummings
Which I was reading, and I actually did a whole paper on this when I was in college about actually the reason that fashion had such tiny models is because there was a shortage on fabric during World War II. So they just started making dresses smaller and then models skinnier.
It wasn't even really something that we wanted.
joe rogan
I always assumed it was gay dudes.
whitney cummings
I'm sure that...
joe rogan
Gay dudes are into twinks.
Can you say twinks without getting arrested?
unidentified
Gay dudes just made me nervous.
joe rogan
Remember when Andy Cohen got in trouble for saying something about twinks?
whitney cummings
This is the whole thing.
I can't.
So it's just like, fucking hell.
joe rogan
Outrage.
whitney cummings
It's addicted.
Here's what did help me though.
Someone was saying, I read, and I think this is on your podcast, 2% of all people on Twitter make 80% of the comments.
joe rogan
Yes.
whitney cummings
So it's on us for amplifying that 2%.
joe rogan
That's real.
whitney cummings
It's not that many fucking people.
It just feels big.
joe rogan
It's not the world.
You go out in the world and you would think that it's going to be just knife fights and fucking Antifa everywhere.
whitney cummings
Everyone gives a shit.
joe rogan
Bottling people.
whitney cummings
When I went on tour after the Roseanne thing, everyone was like, what happened to Roseanne?
That was so funny.
I was like, you didn't hear?
Half the people didn't even know about it.
joe rogan
No, most people didn't know about it.
whitney cummings
And then I was on tour, and this is, I mean, there's some stuff in the special that I'm sure, like, blogs are going to come at me for, but, you know, I was going around talking about all the stuff happening in the news and sexual harassment stuff and getting your ass grabbed at work.
And one time I was in Houston and this woman just yelled out, I was like, a guy that grabs you on the ass, she went, take the compliment and move on!
joe rogan
She's probably all Xanaxed up.
unidentified
Totally fucking...
joe rogan
Drunk.
whitney cummings
She's like, this is such an LA, New York fucking, you know, so it was just like...
joe rogan
Texas is a different world.
whitney cummings
There's so many points of view that we're just not, that are not being heard.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Well, the Twitter point of view is very strange.
It's like you have right-wing Twitter, left-wing Twitter, and black Twitter.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you have three different, completely different worlds.
whitney cummings
But we are in our little echo chamber, and it just feels so much bigger than it is when you go out in the world, and you're like, oh, you guys just want to fucking laugh.
joe rogan
Outrage culture.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's very strange.
whitney cummings
How do you end that?
Will this end?
joe rogan
I think it ends with mind reading software.
whitney cummings
Okay.
joe rogan
For real.
I think what's happening right now is...
Okay, if you say something, and you have a certain intent, and that intent is not accurately expressed by the sounds you're making with your mouth, I can choose to get mad.
But if I can read what you're thinking, then I know what your intent is.
whitney cummings
But it used to be we'd be able to tell.
I'd be able to read your face and go, oh, Joe's joking.
joe rogan
Because we're right in front of each other.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right.
joe rogan
That's what's missing on Twitter.
There's no social cues.
whitney cummings
Things don't translate in text.
joe rogan
How many times has a friend sent you a text message and you think they're serious and they're just joking?
whitney cummings
Oh, yeah.
Most of the arguments in my life.
joe rogan
So many times I'll send someone, because I say fucked up things in text messages.
Half my text messages to my friends are heinous.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, me and Callan and Shob and fucking Joey Diaz.
It's all psychotic.
Joey Diaz, every week, sends me pictures of his shit.
He sends me...
unidentified
The other day he showed me his balls for like 20 minutes.
I'm sure he did.
whitney cummings
His balls are unbelievable.
unidentified
They're ridiculous.
whitney cummings
They're gorgeous.
They look like Kim Kardashian's butt.
joe rogan
They're very rare.
whitney cummings
But what is it?
Is that just...
Are they fake?
joe rogan
This is Joey Diaz.
Look at that gigantic log of shit.
whitney cummings
That looks like a fucking snake.
joe rogan
No, I've seen those in real life.
He would leave them in the toilet for me.
whitney cummings
This isn't healthy.
This is not fucking healthy.
joe rogan
We've only associated Joey Diaz with healthy.
First of all, notice that it's not even in the water.
It's on the beach next to the water.
whitney cummings
It gives me the fucking willies.
joe rogan
Because he's kind of big and he doesn't really fit on the toilet correctly.
whitney cummings
I don't understand why this doesn't break off.
Why doesn't his sphincter cut it?
joe rogan
Because he holds it in for a while.
whitney cummings
I think his sphincter, the calamari, his sphincter is loose.
joe rogan
I think when he lets it loose, it's just like a log jam that just got released.
Like they opened up a dam on the river and it just, whoa!
whitney cummings
That's fucking nightmares.
joe rogan
It's a giant piece of shit.
So he'll send me pictures of his shit.
whitney cummings
I just held her hand by accident.
joe rogan
I needed some emotional comfort.
Sister, what are we doing, sister?
Thank God he's alive.
Because he's one of those guys that's just like, whatever outrage...
One of the things that I used to love about going on the road with him, which is, it's tragically, he's too successful.
Joey Diaz is famous now, so I can't really take him on the road with me as much anymore, because he's always booked.
But the beautiful thing was...
But he will be working with me tonight at the Comedy Store.
whitney cummings
Okay.
joe rogan
The beautiful thing was, when I take him on the road, he would...
Open everybody up so hard.
All the taboos are out the window by the time I go on stage.
unidentified
Oh.
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
whitney cummings
That's such a fucking great, smart choice to put in before you.
joe rogan
People are like, he's so funny.
Why would you want to follow him?
I'm like, well...
I think that's in your head, because I think if you're funny, you're funny.
whitney cummings
Yes.
joe rogan
I mean, he's definitely funnier than me.
He's funnier than everybody that's ever lived.
But he's also...
whitney cummings
The building shakes when Joe is on stage.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
But he also, he lays the foundation that everything's on the table.
whitney cummings
You know who used to do that at the roast was Greg Geraldo.
unidentified
Yes.
whitney cummings
He would go out and he would just say the shit that even at a roast you'd be like, oh fuck, and he'd go first.
Well, people hadn't even had drinks yet.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
whitney cummings
Like he said, um, iced tea, uh, you're so old you used your first residual check to buy your freedom.
I'm just like, Jesus, buddy!
Like, that would be, like, his opening joke.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
whitney cummings
It was, like, 5.30 on a Sunday.
It was, like, homie.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
whitney cummings
Like, he would just come...
And the audience wouldn't even know what to do, but that's something he was so fucking unbelievable at.
joe rogan
Greg and I were on TV at the same time, and we were right next to each other on the lot at Gower, Sunset and Gower.
I was on news radio, and he had his own show for a bit, and his show was right next to my show, and we would hang out.
Because we're both guys from New York, more from the East Coast at least, that were doing comedy and we're out here thinking, oh, this is crazy.
And I never thought he would die like that.
When he died of a drug overdose, I was like, Greg?
whitney cummings
Well, he had been sober, yeah.
joe rogan
What happened?
He went to a party and someone gave him some shit?
unidentified
Pfft.
whitney cummings
I mean, it's so tricky when my...
I mean, I get worried.
I'm like a fucking mom about this shit.
What my guy...
You know, anyone goes on the road and you're getting shit.
You don't know how strong it is.
You're getting it from random people.
I think he had been sober and his tolerance was low and just tried to go back to what had...
joe rogan
Is that what it was?
whitney cummings
I think so.
But I don't know all the details.
joe rogan
That fucking need for escape.
The need for the pill thing.
whitney cummings
Does it feel like, though, in general, comics are getting healthier?
You saw the days when everyone was on Blow.
It feels like everyone's now on Jamba Juice and Onnit and Kombucha.
joe rogan
The real problem is...
whitney cummings
I can't imagine drinking on stage.
joe rogan
Are they just funny because of that?
Maybe.
whitney cummings
We've definitely lost our balls.
joe rogan
Some people think that...
In order to be a comedian, you have to be at least a little bit self-destructive.
Like the great ones.
whitney cummings
How else are you going to get good stories?
I started going to therapy and I was like, fuck, what do I talk about?
Paying my mortgage on time?
This isn't funny.
joe rogan
It's a problem when you become wealthy, right?
You don't have any fear of, you know, your bills are paid.
whitney cummings
When you stop doing desperate shit and making mistakes, you just have less interesting stories, certainly.
joe rogan
There's that.
But it doesn't always have to be stories, right?
But I also think its perspective gets very skewed when you live a life of leisure.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, when you live a life of leisure and comfort and privilege, which most wealthy comedians do, that's when they all start to suck.
Comedians usually have a few good years.
They make it and they have one or two good specials and then they have some that just get sloppy.
whitney cummings
Because you think they just don't have to fight as hard.
A lot of times I hear people will schedule their special.
They're like, I'm shooting a special next March.
Have you written it?
You schedule it before you're finished with it.
joe rogan
That's the Eddie Murphy thing.
whitney cummings
Oh, really?
joe rogan
You know, Eddie Murphy just got a $70 million deal.
He hasn't done stand-up in 30 years.
So, like, how many times has he got...
Look, I think, first of all, just as an aside, or just to start this off, I'm not bashing him.
I'm a giant Eddie Murphy fan.
unidentified
Me too.
joe rogan
If anybody thinks that Eddie Murphy should do stand-up again, it's me.
And I've even talked about on this podcast that he did some speech on a podium where he was talking about how bad Bill Cosby fucked up because he had to give his awards back.
whitney cummings
Oh, right.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
I haven't seen it.
joe rogan
It was a hilarious segment.
It's hilarious.
And I was like, goddamn, his timing is so good.
I wish he would do stand-up again.
unidentified
Just jump back in.
whitney cummings
He was at the comedy store walking the halls a couple times on Tuesdays.
This was like a couple years ago.
joe rogan
Really?
whitney cummings
And he just walked in and he just looked like he was on a people mover.
He would just float through the hallways.
And you know the hallways.
It's like fucking Beirut in those hallways.
And everyone would just get super quiet.
And they're I'm like, is that fucking Eddie Moore?
joe rogan
He hasn't done stand-up in 30 years.
That's how goddamn...
As nice as Tim Allen is, Tim Allen hasn't done stand-up in forever either.
But if he walks by, he goes, oh, that's that guy from Home Improvement.
They're not freaking out that he's there.
He was so good during Delirious.
When we were kids, you'd watch that.
He was so goddamn good that...
Today, even the legend of it just carries on.
whitney cummings
I mean, the real question is, when he comes back, are people going to start tearing apart his old specials and saying he's homophobic?
Oh, yeah!
What's that gonna look like?
joe rogan
Well, people are going after people for...
whitney cummings
George Takai.
John Wayne.
John Wayne.
joe rogan
That's the best one.
whitney cummings
He's canceled.
joe rogan
He's canceled.
unidentified
Like, okay.
joe rogan
He's been dead for decades.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
He's not woke enough in the 70s.
He said bad things about black people or something.
whitney cummings
No, well, there's shit now where it's like, Picasso's canceled.
joe rogan
He's canceled.
whitney cummings
Yep, Picasso's canceled.
Bukowski's canceled.
joe rogan
Wasn't that, like, the fucking...
whitney cummings
Bukowski was...
joe rogan
Hanna-Barbera, whatever her name is.
What's her name?
Hanna Gadsby?
She had a fucking thing about Picasso.
Like, hey, baby, you gotta let that go.
That was a long time ago.
whitney cummings
And he admitted, I mean, it's like, that's the other thing.
It's all these people who put their mental illness and struggles on account.
They would probably agree with us that they were fucked up.
For sure.
unidentified
You know?
whitney cummings
Like, Van Gogh was shitty to his subjects.
It's like, oh, I mean, you see it in his work, you know?
joe rogan
There's people that want to forgive people, though, for a thing.
Remember when there was a lot of Roman Polanski apologists?
whitney cummings
Oh, I don't think I caught the mind of that.
joe rogan
There's quite a few.
whitney cummings
In Hollywood?
joe rogan
Yes, like legitimate actors and actresses that were saying, you know, it's time to let it go.
He's an amazing artist.
He fucking raped a 13-year-old.
whitney cummings
I'm good.
Rosemary's Baby is a fucking great movie, but I think he's done it.
It's a wrap.
But there are people like, you know, Stanley Kubrick, who is...
Arguably, my favorite.
joe rogan
One of the greatest geniuses ever in filmmaking.
whitney cummings
Which, by the way, I was reading that the guy that directed Ex Machina kind of loosely based the guy on Stanley Kubrick.
Oh, wow.
And then as soon as I thought about that, I was like, oh, Alex Garland, I think is the guy's name, that wrote it.
I thought that was interesting.
But have you ever seen the videos of Kubrick directing Shelley Law and all the stories about how he terrorized her throughout the production to get her into a...
I mean, he didn't want her to sleep.
He wanted her to have bags under her eyes.
He would wake her up in the middle of the night and he'd scream at her and call her a cunt and then be like, actually...
And then he'd be like, action!
And then she'd be like, fuck!
Her performance is unbelievable.
Wow.
And it was terrorized.
Today, that would be a hostile work environment.
joe rogan
And she went from that to being olive oil in the Popeye movie with Robin Williams, and then she just quit.
whitney cummings
Yeah, I mean...
unidentified
She's a fire agent.
joe rogan
But she was so good in The Shining, and then she didn't do a lot of other movies.
whitney cummings
Does emotional abuse make great art?
I don't know.
joe rogan
You know, the same thing happened with Ricky Schroeder in The Champ.
John Voight was like really shitty with him.
He was a little kid.
He was like six, seven years old.
He was really shitty and mean to him before the scene.
So you start crying.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
I mean, there's also, there's a director who, there was an explosion in a movie, and the actor, you know, it's a fake explosion, and you're going, ah!
And then one take, he was like, just make it real.
Just don't tell him.
And the fucking take was amazing.
And the actor got all pissed off, but the fucking work, you know, you get to get credit for that.
So it is this tricky thing.
Like, I did a show called Adam Ruins Everything.
You know that show?
He's just a smart dude, and he just asked me to do a little guest spot, and I had to play a flight attendant in the 50s who was getting sexually harassed.
Like, that was the scene.
unidentified
Right.
whitney cummings
Because that's what, I guess, airlines used to do that.
They would sort of pimp out their flight attendants.
If you were engaged, you weren't allowed to wear your ring.
Really?
Yeah.
The episodes were really interesting.
joe rogan
Well, they were supposed to be really hot, right?
whitney cummings
That was the whole thing about flight attendants.
You had to be a certain size, and you had to be young, and then you had to kind of like...
joe rogan
Boy, did they let that go.
whitney cummings
It was kind of a...
unidentified
The last flight attendant I had was a man.
whitney cummings
You've been flying Delta?
joe rogan
He weighed 235 pounds.
He was 5'4".
Nice guy, though.
whitney cummings
But it was like a dating service back then, basically.
And Adam did the whole thing on it.
And I was in there, and it felt very much, everyone was like, okay, whatever you feel comfortable with.
And I was like, no, we have to do, we have to make this feel uncomfortable, you know?
Like, don't worry about my feelings right now, you know?
It's like, you know, so there is just this conversation about, like, a no-hostile-work environment, and everyone needs to feel emotionally safe, like...
joe rogan
Well, can you...
whitney cummings
Could you make the shining today?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, can you get to that place without being harassed?
If you're a really good actress?
Like, if you're really crazy...
whitney cummings
Of course, but you still have to do it.
Go for it.
joe rogan
Isn't that the argument about great actors?
They kind of have to be crazy.
Like a Daniel Day-Lewis type actor.
That's why they're method actors, right?
They stay in that mindset because to maintain that mindset is really the only way to achieve it.
You almost kind of have to be there all the time.
whitney cummings
And also the being in character thing.
When people bitch about when Christian Bale had his...
joe rogan
Meltdown.
whitney cummings
Meltdown and stuff.
It's like, I mean, it's just there's so many people on a set and there's so many distractions.
And, you know, at some point you're just like, it's impossible to fucking focus.
joe rogan
And there's also, there's losers on set sometimes that fuck things up and they get in the way.
That does happen.
The fact that they recorded him screaming at that guy.
It's like, well, I want to know what that guy did and who was that guy.
That guy might be a moron.
whitney cummings
Hasn't he been starving himself for like seven months or something?
joe rogan
I don't think that's The Mechanic.
I don't think it's the same movie.
whitney cummings
It's just like, you know, he's...
joe rogan
Not The Mechanic.
What is it?
The Machinist.
whitney cummings
Machinist, right.
It's like, I'm the face of this fucking movie.
I'm under all this pressure.
I have to get this thing.
We're losing light.
And this fucking guy's cell phone goes off.
I don't know exactly what happens.
joe rogan
It does happen.
whitney cummings
You know, but I do think when Daniel Day-Lewis is like, call me Mr. Lincoln or nobody talk to me, it might just be his way of being like, just fucking stop asking me if I want hummus.
Like, just let me fucking focus, you know?
joe rogan
But I think for, like, really intense roles, which I've never done, so I'm just completely talking out of my ass, I would think that you might have to maintain some really crazy state of mind to get there.
So it doesn't look fake.
Because you know how, like, you see, you ever see the movie Punchline with Sally Fields and Tom Hanks?
whitney cummings
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's an interesting movie, but when Sally Fields is killing, I'm like, get the fuck out of here.
No one's laughing at that.
It's not real, okay?
whitney cummings
When actors do stand-up, I think real stand-ups are like, okay.
joe rogan
You know who nails it, though?
That lady who plays the marvelous Mrs. Maisel?
whitney cummings
She's amazing.
unidentified
I love her.
joe rogan
Rachel Brosnahan?
whitney cummings
Yeah, I love her.
joe rogan
It seems legit.
whitney cummings
It does.
Well, it's also in the 50s.
joe rogan
Yes.
whitney cummings
You know, I think, right?
joe rogan
But even the guy who plays Lenny Bruce is great in that movie.
whitney cummings
I agree.
joe rogan
I mean, that show, rather.
whitney cummings
And there was, you know, but like the one on Showtime Cast Real Comics.
Remember Eric Griffin was on it and Al Madrigal was on it?
That one on Showtime?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Dying Up Here.
whitney cummings
Dying Up Here, yeah.
You know, just like Cast Real Comics.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the writing on that was like a little shoddy.
whitney cummings
I see.
But I'm sure it's different for everyone, but I do think though sometimes, you know, you've been on sets, like if you have to do a scene with somebody where you're screaming and you hate each other, if you're hanging out all day on Instagram, it's just like, it's hard to unfake like chemistry or knowing someone.
So I just think it's interesting, like, you know, Stanley Kubrick probably would be canceled today.
joe rogan
Fantastic.
Probably, yeah.
Especially by people who don't understand what's required in order to achieve what he's trying to get.
Kubrick was a madman, though.
I mean, he used to do complex mathematics in his spare time.
whitney cummings
Yeah, like as a hobby, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, a complex calculus and stuff like that.
whitney cummings
He would do shit where he would, I think on Eyes Wide Shut, he did, like, do 80 takes of Tom Cruise walking through the door and then I'll show up.
Like, he didn't want actors acting.
Like, he wanted them in the actual state of mind instead of acting like they were in that actual state of mind.
Like, he wanted that.
So he really wanted Tom Cruise to be, like, exhausted and fucking pissed off and annoyed.
So he's like, go piss him off and then let me know when he's in that state.
I mean, he would, like, terrorize Shelley Duvall.
It's, like, kind of famous.
And it...
She looks fucking terrified.
unidentified
Yeah.
whitney cummings
You know?
joe rogan
And also she's working with Jack.
Jack Nicholson.
There's a great video of him preparing for one of the scenes.
whitney cummings
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
And he's jumping up and down and throwing his arms in the air and going, ah!
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
He's like freaking out.
unidentified
What was that guy?
joe rogan
You could see him.
Working himself up before the scene.
I mean, those scenes that he did, especially like the axe through the bathroom door, you can't just go into that cold.
whitney cummings
You've got some of that in here.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're worked up.
whitney cummings
Yeah, it's wild.
I'm so obsessed with that movie because the little things he did to make you feel uneasy in a subliminal way.
joe rogan
Yeah, here it is.
He's getting ready for the scene.
He's jumping her up and down.
She's like, okay, I'm in here.
unidentified
And he's like, fucking yeah!
Who's this guy?
joe rogan
I don't know.
whitney cummings
Yeah, there's nine people that want to ask him if he needs any hand sanded.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the guy with the walkie-talkie going in there.
whitney cummings
AD is really dressed up like golfers back then.
That fucking preppy asshole.
joe rogan
It's a great goddamn movie.
You know that movie, Stephen King didn't like that movie?
whitney cummings
Well, that's why they say that the car on the road that's crashed on the road, there's a red car in the beginning of the movie that's crashed on the side of the road.
And in Stephen King's version, there was a red car, so Kubrick crashed that car and then it was a yellow car.
So he actually put shit in the movie to like troll Stephen King, which is kind of amazing.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
whitney cummings
But he did shit that was so fascinating, like little things to make you feel uneasy, like continuity errors.
Like, he'd cut to a scene, there'd be a, like if there was a chair behind you, cut away, cut back, and there'd be no chair.
Shit you wouldn't really notice in case you were, like, dissecting it.
But...
joe rogan
There's also a lot of weird references in that movie to the Apollo moon landing.
unidentified
That's right.
whitney cummings
He did a lot of weird shit in there.
And the Native American genocide was apparently a pretty big theme in it.
It's a great fucking movie.
And the way that he...
I mean, there's a whole documentary about this, but that the carpet, when the kid is riding the bicycle around the carpet, that he shot it both ways and intercut them so the continuity's not working and it just makes you feel...
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a great documentary about the guy who followed Kubrick around.
He was like his assistant.
He was an actor, and he was acting in something that Kubrick did, and Kubrick wound up hiring him as an assistant, and then he just did all Kubrick's movies and hung out with him all the time.
It's really strange.
whitney cummings
Is he still alive?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
whitney cummings
I should get him on.
joe rogan
Well, the documentary's really good.
Do you know what it is?
whitney cummings
It's not the Room 236 one.
joe rogan
What is it?
The Lost Tapes?
jamie vernon
I think it's on Netflix, I believe, right?
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
No, no, no.
joe rogan
It's the guy who hung around with Stanley Kubrick.
It's about him.
I think it's Film Worker.
Is that it?
Maybe that's it.
A Life in Pictures 2001?
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
Just Google the guy who worked.
unidentified
There you go.
jamie vernon
Film worker.
joe rogan
That's it.
whitney cummings
Film worker.
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
I don't see that.
joe rogan
So this guy just sort of realized somewhere along the line, like, oh man, I'll never be able to make a fucking movie.
Like, I'll never be able to do what he's doing, so I'm just going to start working with him.
So he's his personal assistant.
He started out as an actor, and he just worked with Kubrick through all of his movies.
whitney cummings
How wild.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, somehow or another, they just clicked together, so he wound up working for them.
So it's like, you probably don't know the name, Leon Vitale.
Scroll down, please.
Stop.
You don't know the name, Leon Vitale, but the upcoming documentary film worker hopes to change that forever.
Yeah.
whitney cummings
British actor, yeah.
joe rogan
Handpicked by Stanley Kubrick to play the role of Lord Bollingdon in Barry Lyndon.
Yeah.
It's interesting because this guy sort of devoted his life to work with Kubrick.
whitney cummings
It's interesting.
And that was also back in the day.
I think Kubrick would do a movie every five years or something.
That's back when you made a movie when it was ready.
Now everyone's like, movie every eight months.
joe rogan
Well, you know the Apocalypse Now story, right?
The movie took forever.
whitney cummings
Oh, right, yeah.
joe rogan
The movie took like seven fucking years to make.
whitney cummings
Did Oliver Stone write that?
joe rogan
No, no.
That's Francis Ford Coppola.
whitney cummings
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
That's like, I don't think Oliver Stone wrote that.
Maybe I'm wrong.
whitney cummings
Why do I think he was involved in some way?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
whitney cummings
I'm kind of obsessed with Oliver Stone.
joe rogan
Yeah?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
whitney cummings
Why?
I wrote a My Honor Ceases in College about, so fucking dorky, the postmodern implications of the movie JFK. Ah!
I was just obsessed with that movie.
At the time, it had the most edits in any movie ever, and the way that they just did mix me.
I just fucking loved the movie, and I just wanted to write about it and dissect it.
joe rogan
It's a great movie, but...
The problem is he makes it seem like you know exactly what happened.
And the reality is we don't know exactly what happened.
We don't know who killed JFK. It was very likely that it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald though.
If Lee Harvey Oswald did take a shot, he didn't take the only shots.
There was other people shooting at him.
whitney cummings
It just so fucking blew my mind the way that he makes movies.
joe rogan
I don't think we can even grasp the idea that someone shot the fucking president on TV. I can't...
Well, it actually wasn't on TV. I'm sorry.
whitney cummings
What would we do?
I mean, did you ever...
What was the story about the guy who shot himself in the mouth?
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That's that song, Hey Man, Nice Shot.
whitney cummings
Is that what that's named after?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, that's it about.
whitney cummings
And he was about to go to jail and he had a press conference in his house and then he blew his head off?
joe rogan
Yeah, he pulled out a.44 Magnum and stuck it in his mouth.
whitney cummings
Was that in Pennsylvania?
joe rogan
Bud Dwyer, yeah.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, Pennsylvania.
whitney cummings
Can you imagine?
joe rogan
That's on Faces of Death, right?
whitney cummings
I didn't know that was about him.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I've watched that so many times from the 90s.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I can see it in my head right now.
unidentified
So it was on and they just couldn't cut it because it was live television?
joe rogan
Well, he gave a press conference and just put a gun in his mouth and blew the top of his head off.
And they're like, no, don't, don't, don't!
And he's like, ah, boom!
And he did it like really quick before anybody could get to him.
And he just blew the top of his fucking head off.
whitney cummings
I wonder how many views that has on YouTube.
joe rogan
Well, it's crazy like how quick the blood starts pouring out of his nose.
That was one of the weird things.
Like, oh, that's what happens.
whitney cummings
Yeah, it was like so much here.
I mean, it makes sense, I guess.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
whitney cummings
It's also just to be able to be that composed about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, he probably wasn't healthy.
unidentified
No.
whitney cummings
And I think he was going to be innocent also.
unidentified
No.
whitney cummings
It's like fucking poops.
jamie vernon
Really?
whitney cummings
I think so.
joe rogan
Well, sometimes people getting dragged through the mud, that's enough.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that was why Bourdain killed himself.
whitney cummings
Public shaming shit.
joe rogan
He was, I mean, besides depression, he was terrified that he was going to get dragged through the mud because he had paid off that boy who his girlfriend had fucked.
And he had been so prominently defending women and going after Harvey Weinstein in this whole Me Too movement thing.
And then all of a sudden he was this great hypocrite because his girl had sexually molested a 17-year-old kid.
whitney cummings
You couldn't handle it.
joe rogan
Which is fine, by the way.
Listen, there's a lady who just got off and there's all this fucking talk about it.
People are so mad.
Joey Diaz put it on his Twitter.
Nothing wrong with the good dick sucking.
He did.
She blew some 14-year-old kid and it's on Twitter.
Who took it off?
jamie vernon
Not there.
I looked.
whitney cummings
What?
Joey's?
What came down?
joe rogan
You think Twitter took it down?
I retweeted it.
whitney cummings
Is it because of his...
unidentified
Really?
whitney cummings
Why would they take it?
jamie vernon
I just deleted it.
unidentified
I don't know.
whitney cummings
Twitter did or he did?
joe rogan
Well, Twitter might have just decided that it was against the terms of service or something.
They're getting really weird with stuff.
whitney cummings
I mean, that's just a joke.
joe rogan
Well, people are getting...
whitney cummings
Does that mean people snitched?
Because there's not an algorithm or like a spider program looking for that.
People must have complained then.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I'm looking for it right now.
I don't see it on my Twitter.
whitney cummings
Oh, fuck.
That means it was taken down.
jamie vernon
He might have just deleted it.
whitney cummings
But he can still retweet something if it's deleted, right?
jamie vernon
That goes away then.
joe rogan
No, it's right here, dude.
It's right here.
jamie vernon
I was just looking at this page.
Well, you didn't find it.
joe rogan
Bronx teacher who performed oral sex on 14-year-old gets 10 years probation, avoids jail, keeps teaching certificate.
whitney cummings
Stop saying performed.
It didn't take that long to get the job done.
It wasn't a performance.
joe rogan
There was a camera.
There was a lot going on.
whitney cummings
It was a 30-second sloppy mess.
joe rogan
There was a lot going on there.
But meanwhile, nobody cares.
She didn't go to jail.
Everybody's like, okay.
whitney cummings
Apparently a lot of people commit suicide after being on reality shows.
But you don't really sort of hear about it.
Just because you get so famous and then nobody gives a shit about you.
And you don't have money.
Yeah.
And you don't have money.
joe rogan
That's heavy.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
That's pretty well.
To have that kind of fame and out of nowhere.
And to not really know why you have it and then have it taken away from you.
And then to not have any money.
I mean, think about it.
Yeah, the kind of psychological tests apparently you have to take to be on a reality show are pretty hardcore.
joe rogan
Not in the Fear Factor days.
whitney cummings
Oh, really?
I bet.
joe rogan
Yeah, they would just talk to people.
How you doing?
Ready to eat some dicks?
whitney cummings
Were there like...
There were background checks and shit though, right?
joe rogan
A little, a few.
We clearly had some insane people on that show.
whitney cummings
How much were they getting paid?
joe rogan
$50,000 if they won.
Sometimes it was more, like it was a big episode, like they would win a million.
We had one guy who won a million dollars and started speaking in tongues.
He was super religious and he was going to tithe 10% of his money.
It was like $100,000.
And that was one of the rare ones where they win a million.
But most of it was $50,000.
whitney cummings
Did you get to have say in the stuff that they did?
joe rogan
No, no say.
And I most of the time didn't know.
I didn't know until I got there.
whitney cummings
That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Part of it was me.
I didn't want to know because I don't give a shit.
But part of it was because I thought it would be better if it was a surprise to me.
So the day of, I could be kind of more enthusiastic about it because it was so crazy.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because some of the stunts were so fucking crazy.
But there was a few times where I told them to stop.
I told them, don't do this.
whitney cummings
To the contestants or producers?
joe rogan
Everybody.
I said, let's not do this one.
Don't do it.
And they were like, you're crazy.
We had people ride bulls.
And that was the first one.
I was like, you guys are out of your fucking mind.
This is so dangerous.
whitney cummings
It's like the Roman games at this point.
joe rogan
Well, they had a 98-pound girl.
She was 98 pounds.
No.
She was so tiny.
And they made her ride the bull.
And she went flying through the air.
Just got so lucky that the bull didn't kick her in the face.
And I'm telling you, it kicked up and her head was here and the foot went like this.
Just right by her face.
whitney cummings
By the way, is that even legal?
joe rogan
It's legal.
You sign off on the waiver.
People ride bulls.
Take a chance.
I mean, that's exactly what happened.
And I was telling people, don't do this.
And I told the producers, I said, don't do this.
Look, I... I've had a healthy fear of animals my whole life.
I was attacked by a goat when I was like seven years old.
whitney cummings
So was Hitler.
joe rogan
Really?
whitney cummings
Yeah.
Hitler lost a testicle to a goat.
joe rogan
A goat?
whitney cummings
Is that a myth?
It sounds like a myth as I said it.
joe rogan
I remember him missing a testicle.
whitney cummings
I think a goat bit one of his nuts.
joe rogan
I was butted by a goat and my stepfather had to come and save me.
whitney cummings
Like a petting zoo?
joe rogan
No, I was at a farm co-op when we lived in San Francisco.
My stepdad went back to school, and he was originally a computer programmer, and then he was going back to school to be an architect.
And one of the things that he did with part of his university was they had some sort of...
Some sort of a farming co-op thing, where you had to take care of certain farming chores, and there was animals, like goats.
And I was a little kid, and I got left in this fucking room with this goat, this pen with a goat.
whitney cummings
I'm sorry, I'm laughing.
joe rogan
It was fine for the beginning, and then the goat fucking just came at me and slammed his head into my chest.
whitney cummings
Oh yeah, they're no joke.
joe rogan
And I remember I'm grabbing the horns, but I didn't have any strength.
I was a little kid.
I was maybe eight at the time.
And he had to come and save me.
And I was like, Jesus Christ.
And I remember thinking from that time on, like, oh, you've got to get this idea of what an animal is out of your head.
That thing didn't give a fuck if I died.
If it just stomped me to death, it would have been fine.
whitney cummings
Was I right about that?
No.
That could be a total...
joe rogan
Did you Google Hitler's nuts?
whitney cummings
Hitler goat nuts.
joe rogan
Because the government's going to come after you now.
jamie vernon
There are two things about it.
whitney cummings
Your algorithm's going to...
jamie vernon
Doesn't have anything to do with it, I guess.
He had undescended testicle, apparently, and then he also had something called hypospadiasis.
unidentified
Hmm.
jamie vernon
Something to do with the urethra hole being on the underside of the penis and not where it should be.
whitney cummings
Hitler had a fucked up penis.
joe rogan
Of course he did.
That's why he was so angry.
unidentified
Oh, it makes so much sense.
whitney cummings
Did he not have any goat accidents?
jamie vernon
I typed in goat.
It said rat point.
It's like...
unidentified
I need to figure out where that fucking came from.
jamie vernon
It says it was bit by a goat in his younger days.
whitney cummings
Okay, bit by a goat.
joe rogan
Maybe he bit his balls.
jamie vernon
How it was attached to his manhood.
whitney cummings
I think every kid was bit by a goat at some point back then.
Back then?
Well, it's also why people always come to me.
It's like all this taking selfies with tigers and shit.
I'm like, what are you doing?
Right, what are you doing?
This is insane.
There's this new selfie culture where we all are taking selfies with the bears and shit.
It's like, use your head.
joe rogan
That's all everybody wants to do is take pictures with things now for their Facebook and Instagram.
whitney cummings
I like the new fucking Rome.
I think we're going to look back and the same way we look at Caligula and Nero and we're like, oh, they used to just have lions fight elephants for entertainment.
Now we're going to look back and go, remember when we used to like take selfies with bears and ride elephants?
joe rogan
Well, in the future, you're just going to be able to blink and you're going to have a picture of things.
I think that's ultimately one of the ways they're going to get us.
This Elon Musk thing is kind of interesting because they're trying to put these little fibers in your brain and you'll have some sort of Bluetooth link that increases your bandwidth with the internet.
But I think the way they're going to get us is a hard drive that replaces your memory.
Because your memory is so shitty.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, I have a pretty decent memory in terms of being able to recall information and facts and stuff like that.
But if I had to draw a picture of a house that I lived in just 10 years ago, I'd be like, oh, I don't know what I saw.
whitney cummings
But what about the things you want to forget?
Like our brain is pretty good at denial for self-preservation purposes.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So how will your brain handle it?
whitney cummings
Because denial is a survival mechanism.
There are things we have to block out in order to continue functioning or else we'd go crazy.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So people, when they're molested when they're young, that's one of the things that they have hypnotic regression and then they remember it.
whitney cummings
Yeah, exactly.
Or EMDR or whatever the thing is that brings it to the surface.
But I think denial serves a really important part in a lot of people's psyches.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
whitney cummings
Or else you're going to… Allows you to move on.
Yeah, totally.
You know?
So that is what scares me.
It's going to be hard for, I think, trauma survivors.
Certainly people in the military.
There's probably some shit you want to forget.
joe rogan
Right, you'll be able to access it over and over again like the Bud Dwyer video.
whitney cummings
Yeah, I don't want to play that shit on a loop.
My brain brilliantly erased that so I didn't have to think about it, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
whitney cummings
That's the one thing about that that's alarming to me.
But our memories are so flawed and there's this amazing neurologist in New York called Moran Cerf and he's got a bunch of shit on TED Talks and stuff.
And I went to this lecture he did in New York about how our memories essentially were like comics.
Like, we punch up the parts of stories that get the bigger responses.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I've talked to so many friends about things that happen when we're younger, and their version of it is so different than mine.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm like, did we really do that?
I don't remember doing that.
I've had friends tell me about fights where I did something to somebody and I beat somebody's ass.
I'm like, I know that didn't happen.
Like, you might think that didn't happen.
I didn't beat anybody up.
whitney cummings
Didn't I tell you about there was a time that I was in Portland with somebody and they were like, Joe Rogan, him and I got in a car accident in high school.
And remember, I texted you about it and you're like, that never happened.
joe rogan
Who was it?
whitney cummings
I don't remember.
joe rogan
We got in a car accident?
What did he say?
whitney cummings
Some guy was like, oh yeah, I know Joe Rogan.
We got in a car accident in high school.
joe rogan
I definitely got in a car accident in high school once.
whitney cummings
But we texted about it and you were like, that didn't happen.
joe rogan
Oh, he had a crazy wonky story?
whitney cummings
One of you had repressed it or it was just...
joe rogan
Well, I definitely had one car accident.
I hydroplaned right outside school.
I was leaving school.
I had a 1968 442. It's an Oldsmobile, like a hot rod.
And those cars, like old cars, when you hit water, they would just hydroplane.
And I fucking slammed into a tree or a telephone pole.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Smashed the car, fucked it up, but everybody was fine.
whitney cummings
Does it spin?
joe rogan
Yeah, your car, you just, the wheel just goes away.
unidentified
Whee!
joe rogan
And the car just slides.
It's super common with old cars, especially if you're You don't have good tires.
But I had a friend that came up to me, or he told another friend of mine about a fight that we had gotten into where I kicked somebody or something like that.
I was like, that never happened.
That never happened.
whitney cummings
But he probably kept telling the story and telling the story and inflating it and getting laughs on it or whatever, you know?
I got super into terror management theory recently.
What's that?
It's basically like the guy that Becker, Ernest Becker, this is my dad died a couple years ago and I hadn't really had a lot of death and I started kind of just, I started getting into, and you called it too one time, one day you were like, you're doing too much shit.
Like, you're doing too much stuff.
Stop doing so much stuff.
And I didn't realize, like, when you have death and you're—basically, terror management theory is—this is something you know, of course, but that because we have a prefrontal cortex and we're basically the only animal that can ponder the future and the past, like, we know we're going to die.
And we can't tolerate that anxiety.
It's too stressful for us.
So we basically have to keep ourselves busy and do meaningless shit to feel important.
We have to win awards.
We have to have titles.
We have to get things.
In order to have a sense of immortality, right?
It's basically just managing the anxiety of knowing that we're rotting every day.
It's just dying and could die at any moment.
It's just like a false sense of control and longevity.
There's a great book called The Worm in the Hole, Solomon, something Solomon.
I read this book and it totally blew my mind because I realized so many of my behaviors were just about this fear of death because it had been sort of right in front of me so quickly.
And his death was so freak that I had a really hard time coping with the anxiety of death coming so suddenly and so shockingly and it fucked me up pretty bad.
But I started just making myself busy with super irrelevant shit in order to try to cope with that anxiety.
And so I got super into terror management theory.
joe rogan
Terror Management Theory.
whitney cummings
Terror, like trying to manage the terror, the daily terror that we know we're going to die.
jamie vernon
Is that the book?
whitney cummings
Yeah, but it's a...
joe rogan
The Worm at the Core.
jamie vernon
I tried something else.
whitney cummings
It's a less corny cover, the one that I have.
joe rogan
But it's the same title?
whitney cummings
TMT, Terror Management Theory.
Terror Management Theory is a little bit controversial, I think, because it also justifies some, like, supremacy thinking, a lot of I'm better than you and, like, cultural...
How so?
There's a guy named Solomon that did a talk about it just because you need so badly to feel important that you start to sort of have the delusion that you're better than other people.
Just because you feel so insignificant because you know you're going to die.
We know we're a speck of dust.
We know this is all ephemeral and fleeting and that we don't matter.
So we have to do things to feel like we matter.
joe rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
whitney cummings
Because we don't.
joe rogan
So you sort of exercise your superiority over people in order to shield yourself from the futility of your existence.
whitney cummings
Yes, and to feel immortal.
unidentified
Oh.
whitney cummings
And, you know what I mean, to procreate the idea of, because we know our mortality is so present in our amygdala all day, every day, that I'm better than you, therefore I'm going to procreate more and we are going to sustain and propagate.
unidentified
Right.
whitney cummings
So that we have a sense of lasting-ness.
That's why we want to make a name for ourselves.
That's why we want to get famous, have tangible things, stuff like that.
It's an anxiety that manifests in materialism, workaholism, needing titles, sort of shit like that.
joe rogan
Wow, that makes sense.
So, nasty, evil people that subjugate all their employees and yell at everybody, like that's what they're doing?
whitney cummings
Know they're going to die.
joe rogan
Wow.
whitney cummings
Yeah, they know.
joe rogan
It's so deep in the subconscious.
They have no awareness of why they're behaving the way they're behaving.
whitney cummings
It's wild.
They've done these studies where, because I got super into it, because I didn't recognize my behavior.
I felt like kind of a zombie.
I was trying to set up all these TV shows, and I was writing all these movies, and I was just like...
And I was like, this is so weird because my dad just died.
I should know exactly what matters in life, which is none of this shit, achievements or money or any of that.
But I was super into like, I got to buy this house and I need to get, you know, this and this thing and this watch.
And I was like, this is so not who I am.
But it was me trying to cope.
sort of with all of this anxiety about death.
But they did all these studies where they put, showed subject to video and subliminal messaging, put one frame of just the word death, imperceptible to the actual eye.
And afterwards, they showed people pictures of woods or cities and said, where would you rather be?
And you would normally go, beautiful woods, nature.
And they always pick cities because you just subconsciously felt more scared and wanted to be in a place that was safer.
Shit like that.
joe rogan
Cities are safer than the woods?
whitney cummings
I mean, just the idea of some protection and civilization.
The woods are scary because we're, on some level, know that we're only superficially at the top of the food chain.
If we're out in the woods with a bear and there's no guns or cages, we're going to lose.
It's like the idea that we just know how vulnerable we are.
joe rogan
That's interesting because I would feel like there's some anxiety attached to the overpopulation aspect of cities.
whitney cummings
For sure.
joe rogan
There's got to be some of that, right?
whitney cummings
And the cars and the noises.
unidentified
Constant noise.
joe rogan
We're not designed for that, right?
whitney cummings
The fight or flight.
We're always in fight or flight mode, basically.
joe rogan
Do you ever get a chance to go to places where there's no cell phone service and you're in the legitimate forest?
whitney cummings
Ari's trying to get me to do the month no cell phone.
joe rogan
Ari's a weirdo.
Don't listen to that guy.
He's crazy.
He's crazy.
whitney cummings
I'm like, that feels a little extreme, but I want to.
joe rogan
He's got the fucking flip phone thing going on.
But he's a real junkie.
whitney cummings
I respect that.
joe rogan
He had a problem with food.
He was eating candy all day, every day.
And I was going, bro, what are you doing?
whitney cummings
Recently?
joe rogan
Nah, a few years ago.
Years back, but he had a real problem with candy.
Ari develops these things, and he would get real obsessed with social media.
whitney cummings
It's addictive.
It's fucking addictive.
I have an addictive personality.
I fucking get it.
But I'm trying.
I turned the colors off on the phone.
joe rogan
Let me see what it looks like.
whitney cummings
Well, no, I don't have it now because I was fucking posting because my thing came out today.
But they say a lot of the reason it's so addictive is all the color.
So you can put it in grayscale so it's black and white.
joe rogan
There's a phone that they just released.
It's an Android phone that's all in grayscale.
It's like in that white paper shit that you get from a Kindle.
whitney cummings
That's what I need.
It's so fucking unappealing.
You're just like, oh, fuck this.
Gross.
So I'm trying to do that shit.
I think that we're going to look back at this the way we look at cigarettes.
joe rogan
I think so, too.
whitney cummings
We're going to be like, people used to use those.
joe rogan
I broke my phone in Hawaii last year, and it was like three days to get a new one.
I had to order one and get it sent to me from the mainland.
And, you know, I was on vacation.
And I was bow hunting.
So I was just tracking animals all day with no phone.
whitney cummings
Which one's in Hawaii?
joe rogan
Lanai.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
whitney cummings
I mean, what animals?
joe rogan
Axis deer.
It's a deer that's native to India and they're overpopulated in Lanai.
There's thousands of them.
There's 20,000 deer and 3,000 people.
You've never seen anything like it.
It's fucking crazy.
And they have to hunt them.
It's like one of the places on the planet where there's a real ethical imperative.
To hunt these animals.
Because there's no predators.
So the only way they control their populations is through hunting.
That's the only way.
whitney cummings
And if there's overpopulation, they graze and there's no food for all of them, right?
joe rogan
There's plenty of food.
It's a tropical island.
But the problem is, you run into this real possibility of disease.
It's just not good.
But the point being, I was there for a solid three days with no phone.
And it was this weird feeling of peace.
whitney cummings
Yeah, fuck.
joe rogan
It's like it calmed me down in this weird way.
It's like the desire to check.
Let me check my email real quick.
Let me look at my photos.
Which one am I? I gotta post something on Instagram.
I'm gonna check my Twitter.
See if somebody sent me a direct message.
Let me see if anybody sent me any pictures that I want to look at.
unidentified
You like that?
whitney cummings
Has Joey sent me any of his shits?
joe rogan
Show me so many logs.
whitney cummings
I think something that is such an obvious solution, but I realize so much of going to the phone is to check time.
It's like the new pocket watch.
And then once you go to look at the time, then you see your text message.
joe rogan
You don't wear a watch?
whitney cummings
I don't, and I need to.
I'm going to start to wear a watch, and then also getting a separate camera.
Because so much of what we do is to take pictures.
It's like, oh, I've got to take pictures of this, and then I'm on my phone.
joe rogan
Do you think you could use this with a flip phone?
Woo, big pause.
I'm going to say no.
whitney cummings
My heart just stopped.
unidentified
What?
whitney cummings
Wait a second, I'm not going to be able to get on...
joe rogan
You can't post on Instagram with a flip phone.
whitney cummings
I'm not going to be able to get on TikTok.
joe rogan
What's TikTok?
Do you use TikTok?
whitney cummings
You don't know about TikTok?
joe rogan
Oh, I know about it from my kids.
They do the TikTok.
whitney cummings
I don't know what it is.
It's like live streaming dancing, from what I understand.
I know it only from Christina's page, because she puts on some...
jamie vernon
Yeah, it started as a music app called Musical.ly.
It changed the name to TikTok.
whitney cummings
But it's only people dancing.
jamie vernon
It's a lot of kids.
Kids are all over it.
whitney cummings
But you don't want to talk or be funny.
jamie vernon
It's now become what Vine was.
But it's still based around music.
whitney cummings
But wasn't Vine only like five seconds?
jamie vernon
And this is a little bit longer.
But there's a lot of songs over the last year that have gotten popular off there, including like Old Town Road, which is the number one song now.
whitney cummings
Oh, yeah, wow.
jamie vernon
It got popular off of there.
whitney cummings
Off of TikTok.
joe rogan
That's how it got popular?
unidentified
Wow.
Fuck.
joe rogan
Well, it got popular with my kids, for sure.
My kids knew about that song way before me.
They were singing it.
You never see...
There's a video of Lil Nas X, whatever his name is, at a school, and he's on stage, and these kids are singing along.
It is fucking adorable.
They're all singing along to the song.
It's really cute.
whitney cummings
It's such a good song.
He's doing one with Dolly Parton, I think.
And what was the controversy?
They wouldn't let the song be on the country charts?
That was the big controversy.
unidentified
Racist.
joe rogan
That's fucking racist.
That's all it is.
That is a goddamn country song.
whitney cummings
Not Garth Brooks.
joe rogan
That other guy.
whitney cummings
Cyrus is on it.
joe rogan
Billy Ray.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
But once they put him on, then they allowed it on the country charts.
He wasn't in the original version.
whitney cummings
So they had to put him on it, and then it made the country charts.
joe rogan
Am I wrong about that?
jamie vernon
You are correct.
whitney cummings
Well, you know, but Hootie was a country singer.
joe rogan
Yes, but he started out as a regular singer and then came over to country.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
His career kind of fell apart.
whitney cummings
That was a plot twist.
joe rogan
Judy and the Blowfish went away.
whitney cummings
Darius Rucker.
joe rogan
Yes.
Thank you.
He's really good.
He's got a beautiful voice.
whitney cummings
Of all the things I remember.
joe rogan
And he, maybe that's his shit.
He's into it.
But his career was floundering in the other world.
And then he went into the world of hay and flannel.
And they took off.
whitney cummings
I fucking drive home to a lot of his music.
I don't know why that...
Hootie and the Blowfish was a legit jam.
joe rogan
I wonder why they didn't last, right?
jamie vernon
They're on tour again right now.
whitney cummings
Oh.
joe rogan
Hootie and the Blowfish?
jamie vernon
I was going to say, but Aaron Lewis from Stained also is a country singer.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a huge country singer.
Bro, he wears MAGA hats and he's got Don't Tread on Me tattooed on his neck.
whitney cummings
That was like during the time...
joe rogan
I met him.
Nice guy.
whitney cummings
Where like all the bands were like...
Like there was like a...
There was like...
unidentified
Yes!
whitney cummings
There was a moment where that's what all the music sound like.
joe rogan
Yeah.
whitney cummings
And maybe that just went...
Like Train.
unidentified
Yes!
whitney cummings
And Toad the Wet Sprocket and shit.
joe rogan
It was all that like...
Maybe we just got sick of it.
Pearl Jam.
They're all Pearl Jam clones.
whitney cummings
Best.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
unidentified
Yeah, totally.
joe rogan
Can't find a better man.
whitney cummings
Such a good song.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a great song.
whitney cummings
I fucking love that album.
So good.
I mean, that is so crazy when I think about that Jeremy Spoken song.
I had no idea.
It was so weird when it came out.
I had no concept of what it even fucking meant.
It was on Mix the other day, and I was like, God.
joe rogan
What was it about?
whitney cummings
Suicide.
Oh, that's right.
Was it about a kid that blew his head off in Jeremy Spoken class today?
I think he blew his brains out.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
whitney cummings
In class, remember?
That video was fucking sinister.
unidentified
Wow.
whitney cummings
It was about suicide.
I used to make out to a suicide song.
I had no idea what it was even about.
There was a lot of really macabre shit going on back then with music.
Remember that Silverchair?
Remember that Silverchair video?
joe rogan
How about Nirvana Rape Me?
How about that?
whitney cummings
Literally forgot about it until just this moment.
joe rogan
Rape me, my friend.
whitney cummings
Used to dance to it.
Used to drink to it, smoke weed to it.
We used to sing along.
If it was on TikTok now, we'd be singing along to it.
joe rogan
What a crazy fucking...
whitney cummings
Wild.
Who would be the Kurt Cobain of today?
That was such a big deal.
joe rogan
You can't have that with the internet.
Someone would meet to him.
They'd find out shit about him.
There'd be a dick pic.
whitney cummings
People would get angry.
joe rogan
I mean, he had poor judgment.
He dated Courtney Love.
He married her, right?
whitney cummings
But when he killed himself...
joe rogan
He would have definitely taken pictures of his dick.
whitney cummings
Who's that big right now?
unidentified
Who's that big of a star?
joe rogan
There's so many stars now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think we've diluted the pool.
whitney cummings
And there's so many stars we've never heard of.
It used to be like there was a star we all knew about.
joe rogan
Well, we're old.
That's part of the problem.
whitney cummings
There's people that someone...
I'm like, oh, who's that person?
They have 70 million followers.
I'm like, never heard of them.
joe rogan
You go to Instagram, you're like, what?
whitney cummings
Yeah.
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, we're out of the loop.
I'm way more out of the loop than you.
He's more in the loop than both of us.
jamie vernon
Do you think that changes in a couple weeks when they take the follower counts off of people being able to view it?
whitney cummings
I thought that was only in Australia.
jamie vernon
They're testing it in other countries before they drop it here.
joe rogan
How funny is that?
It's like fucking...
They try drugs out in other countries.
unidentified
LAUGHTER They're trying out the follower count thing.
joe rogan
That's going to be weird.
Why are they doing that?
Because they feel like they're doing a disservice to people by having them compete for follower counts?
jamie vernon
Yeah, you won't be seeing other people's stuff, so it might...
whitney cummings
That's how a lot of people make money.
jamie vernon
I know.
whitney cummings
I don't ever do ads on Instagram, but a lot of people do.
joe rogan
I don't either.
whitney cummings
I bet you get offered to do a ton of shit.
joe rogan
A lot, but I say no.
whitney cummings
Because you just think it's corny?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll do ads for things I like where I put it up for free.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I've never been paid.
whitney cummings
Because it's something you believe in.
joe rogan
Yeah, like if someone says, oh, it's a fucking ad, like maybe it is an ad, but it's not an ad I'm getting paid for.
Like if I find something that's cool, I'll just put it up.
Like this is a badass movie.
whitney cummings
I think that's why people trust you so much.
joe rogan
I think it helps.
And I've been offered a lot of money multiple times to do ads for things on Instagram.
And I'm like, look, I do ads on my podcast.
Everybody knows it's an ad.
I'm not doing that on Instagram.
That doesn't seem like it makes sense.
Like if someone goes to your Instagram, they want to see cool shit that you're interested in.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They want to see a picture of something.
They want to see a picture of my dog or food or fucking sunset or a mountain or whatever the fuck it is.
They don't want to see sneakers that you're selling.
Unless it's like, but if it's a friend of mine's sneakers that he's selling, I'll take a picture of that and put it up.
But I don't want any money.
whitney cummings
I think it feels corny.
You know, I think for you, especially, I think people trust you so much and you're known for telling the truth and not selling out.
If you had a hashtag ad, everyone was like, what?
Like, it just feels...
joe rogan
Paid ad sponsored.
whitney cummings
Well, it's like your thing.
It would just be like, make a good product.
I'll post about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I do it for free all the time.
whitney cummings
Yeah.
joe rogan
I really do.
And people I don't even know.
If they have something cool, I'll put it up there.
whitney cummings
Have you ever felt like, oh, fuck, that's a lot of money?
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
No.
whitney cummings
It's not worth it.
Because you probably lose in the long run.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's like, if I was poor, yeah, I would do it.
Yeah, if I was poor, I'd do it.
I did Fear Factor.
Fuck, I'd do a lot of horror shit.
I'm not above whoring myself, but I'm not going to whore myself if I have money.
That doesn't make any sense.
whitney cummings
But that is weird because I wonder how a lot of people make money from putting ads on Instagram.
jamie vernon
It's not related directly to this, but they deleted a bunch of accounts apparently yesterday.
Accounts that had up to 13 million followers.
unidentified
Really?
jamie vernon
Like meme accounts and shit.
whitney cummings
Deleted the whole account?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
For a couple of reasons, they might have done it.
whitney cummings
Well, there's a lot of meme accounts that steal jokes.
jamie vernon
For stealing stuff.
joe rogan
A lot.
whitney cummings
A lot.
Crazy.
joe rogan
They make money off of it.
whitney cummings
There was a girl, you saw that girl on, is it Meg Wright, who was calling out that Fuck Jerry guy?
Who was just doing comics jokes?
Was that his name?
joe rogan
I don't know, Meg Wright.
whitney cummings
Oh, she was a comedy person, yeah.
unidentified
Oh.
whitney cummings
Good for her.
Yeah, and who was just, like, connecting the comics joke to the meme.
joe rogan
There's so many of them.
Well, at least they slowed down.
Like, the progress of that fat Jewish guy, that slowed down.
He doesn't have nearly the sort of trajectory he used to have, but that was all what he was about.
It was just, like, taking people's shit.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
And repurposing it and making a lot of money.
And then also getting on television shows, being interviewed, and not having a fucking talent at all.
Just reposting things.
unidentified
I know.
whitney cummings
I have people DM me all the time.
Hey, now that everyone's scared, can I use your tweet in my Instagram feed?
Now I have to do work to say yes so you can...
But yeah, a lot of people are like curators, I think is what they call it.
Is that why they deleted them?
jamie vernon
I was reading that article.
They could have been taking advertising money and not saying it, undercutting Instagram's advertising deals, reposting people's shit.
That end of the article said that there is no way they can get those accounts back.
It's non-negotiable.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
whitney cummings
Wow.
jamie vernon
Fuck off.
whitney cummings
But so will it basically go, everyone's going to have no followers?
jamie vernon
You won't be able to see, you'll be able to see your account?
Like, you'll know that you still have whatever.
joe rogan
So I'm going to, every day, I'm going to post an Instagram photo of my account.
jamie vernon
Yeah, people are going to do that.
joe rogan
Recognize, bitches.
unidentified
I posted.
joe rogan
Recognize.
whitney cummings
Maybe it's because, like, I mean, people are fucking falling off cliffs taking selfies.
unidentified
Yeah.
whitney cummings
Have you seen that?
It's like the fucking Darwin Awards at this point.
joe rogan
But you'll still be able to see the likes.
You just won't be able to see your followers.
jamie vernon
You can't see that either.
unidentified
None of it.
jamie vernon
You'll be able to see how many likes you have on your photos.
unidentified
But you're going to screen grab it and post it?
joe rogan
What I'll do is I'll post something in the morning and then three times throughout the day I'll post it to see how many likes I got so everybody can see.
jamie vernon
That's for sure going to happen.
whitney cummings
Such a gangster move.
joe rogan
Twitter would be so mad.
Instagram would be so mad at you.
You're fucking bypassing it.
whitney cummings
Like showing your metrics.
jamie vernon
Post it on your Twitter account.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, that's the move.
Post it on my Twitter account.
Post it on my Facebook because that's a dumpster.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
My Facebook's a dumpster.
I just don't even look at it.
whitney cummings
I don't even, yeah.
joe rogan
I just dump things over there.
whitney cummings
Doesn't yours just connect to it?
Like it just automatically posts?
joe rogan
But it's interesting because it clearly reflects my lack of interaction because, like, I only have two million Facebook followers, whereas, like, everything else is way more than that.
whitney cummings
Well, that's the whole engagement thing now.
So there was this, I, social media, it's a full-time job, so I was talking to a bunch of people to run my social media, and they're like, well, you have to engage people to get in the algorithm now.
You have to ask a question so that people, like, you notice that celebrities for a while kept going, like, so what are you doing this weekend?
joe rogan
I just thought they were dumb.
unidentified
Yeah.
whitney cummings
What do you like to cook on, you know, taco night?
Like, it was all these, like, insincere questions because they wanted people to answer so they could get into the algorithm.
joe rogan
Oh, that makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I read one that said, what's your least favorite chore?
Like, what in the fuck are you?
What are you?
whitney cummings
It's the amount of...
unidentified
Are you a robot?
joe rogan
If you get...
whitney cummings
By the way, the shot of this is so funny because she just looks like a dead body.
joe rogan
She's done with us.
She checked out.
She was with us for a while.
Oh, fuck, she's off.
whitney cummings
Oh, because I didn't have her on chat because she kept stealing my thunder and distracting you.
joe rogan
You're back, bitch.
whitney cummings
There she's back.
joe rogan
Wake up, hooker.
Look over here.
Hey!
What's up, bitch?
I've got to end this.
I've got to be at the comedy store in two hours.
whitney cummings
I know, fuck.
unidentified
I've got to go home and hug my kids.
joe rogan
Alright, Whitney Cummings, your new Netflix special available right fucking now.
whitney cummings
Don't worry about following me because followers don't matter anymore.
joe rogan
Followers do not matter.
Don't like any of our photos.
Liking doesn't mean anything.
Alright, bye everybody.
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