March 12, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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In four, three, two... | |
| Boom! | ||
| And we're live, Pat. | ||
| How are you, sir? | ||
| Good, Joe. | ||
| President of the University of Badassery. | ||
| I'm more like the vice president, man. | ||
| Oh, who's the president? | ||
| Probably CJ Ortiz. | ||
| He's the president of the University of Badassery. | ||
| My co-host of a little podcast we do. | ||
| Dude, I fucking love your Instagram page. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| If there's a guy that I'm going to call when the shit hits the fan, it might be you. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| Rock and roll, baby. | ||
| I'm there for you, brother. | ||
| I also like guys who are my age or older that still get after it in the gym. | ||
| And your fucking page is filled with you getting after it. | ||
| Bro, we could go on. | ||
| We could full segment on that alone. | ||
| And the secret, the big secret behind it. | ||
| Which, there's not much of a secret, as you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, hard work sucks and not everybody's cut out for it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People just don't enjoy it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They try to find a lot of nice excuses why they don't get after it. | ||
| There you are. | ||
| One of the big excuses is age. | ||
| I run into guys all the time during my full-time training gig where I'm training guys on the range who say... | ||
| I'm 38 or 40 or whatever, and I'm getting old. | ||
| I'm like, bro, let me tell you something. | ||
| This is something somebody told me when I was 30. And I've got affirmation of this from guys like you who've stayed fit their entire lives. | ||
| The fittest of a man's age is around like 44 or 45. That's when you could be on the top of your game. | ||
| Ultra runners and stuff like that. | ||
| The strongest, the fastest, the fittest, the smartest. | ||
| When it comes to knowing your body and how much you can do and how much you can take. | ||
| After that, then you've got to start being a lot smarter. | ||
| Your diet, how you work out, how often. | ||
| I'm super tentative now not to overwork. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| Because... | ||
| I've been told there is no such thing as overwork, but there is a such thing as under-recovery. | ||
| I err on the side of caution a lot. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| A lot more now. | ||
| And I've got it down, man. | ||
| I started this system combat strength training when I retired from the military. | ||
| Because when I retired from the military, I retired with four reconstructive surgeries, 13 broken bones. | ||
| And any ground pounder who's, you know, special ops guy, Who did 20 plus years. | ||
| There's a lot of freaking mileage on that combat chassis. | ||
| He's jacked up. | ||
| What'd you get reconstructed? | ||
| The first one was this bicep. | ||
| I was a toad jumper. | ||
| Doesn't have to make sense. | ||
| What does it mean? | ||
| It's related to static line jumping, where you pass the static line off to a jumpmaster, he secures it, and the static line, at the end of the static line, deploys your parachute. | ||
| So it's like, you know, it's like rookie jumping. | ||
| It's real infantry-based jumping. | ||
| Well, that static line got wrapped around my reserve and around my arm. | ||
| And pulled me with the plane. | ||
| And pulled my bicep into my forearm, broke ribs, dislocated shoulder concussion. | ||
| And this was when I was fucking 18 years old. | ||
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I just joined. | |
| And I already got jacked up. | ||
| Next one was... | ||
| Discectomy, L5-S1. Just kind of an amalgamation of helo crashes and vehicle crashes and stuff like that. | ||
| If people don't know what that means, it means your discs, they trim a little piece of it so it doesn't go against your nerve. | ||
| Yeah, and it was a massive herniation, so they were able to take the big chunk out and then do that trim up as well, which is, that's the easiest surgery I ever had. | ||
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Really? | |
| Knee reconstruction sucked. | ||
| I mean, that was a full freaking year. | ||
| Six months of getting back on your feet. | ||
| And then another year before, I was like 100%. | ||
| And I think I was still in my 20s. | ||
| Did you get ACL reconstruction? | ||
| Yeah, center patella tendon. | ||
| Yeah, I did that one. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| That's a hard one. | ||
| I did the other one with the allograft, with the cadaver. | ||
| It's way easier. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That was six months. | ||
| Six months and I was 100%. | ||
| Man, yeah, because I've heard it. | ||
| Six months difference. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Damn, that's a big chunk of time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Six months. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the other thing is that sometimes people's bodies reject those owl grafts. | ||
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Right. | |
| Didn't happen to me. | ||
| I got lucky. | ||
| But I do know of some people. | ||
| And also, it feels like it's healed before it's really healed. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Do you know how that works? | ||
| What happens is they take that graft and they put it in there, and then instead of that being your new ligament, your body has to replace that with tissue. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So your body has to re-proliferate that tendon with its own cells. | ||
| And so it takes a long time. | ||
| So it feels stable. | ||
| You're like, oh, my knee's back, man. | ||
| My legs feel strong. | ||
| And then you go to pivot to throw a punch or something like that. | ||
| And pop! | ||
| It just pops like a wet piece of toilet paper. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, they say some people are ACL-dependent and others are not. | ||
| But, man, I needed that one done. | ||
| Because it was a jet. | ||
| Yeah, I don't understand people not being ACL-dependent. | ||
| I mean, it's a stabilizing ligament in your knee. | ||
| And then the last one was shoulder. | ||
| And they were able to do that non-evasively. | ||
| You know, scope it. | ||
| They were able to scope it in like four different places. | ||
| And they created... | ||
| Let me see if I get this right. | ||
| They created a bigger injury to promote more healing. | ||
| Yeah, so they did like bone scrapes and stuff like that. | ||
| So they were able to do it without cutting the shoulder open. | ||
| What was wrong with your shoulder? | ||
| Bunch of tears. | ||
| It was a... | ||
| How did I hurt that one? | ||
| That was... | ||
| I got called in one day. | ||
| I used to drive my dirt bike to work. | ||
| Like eight miles of real pristine forest. | ||
| And I T-boned a deer. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| The 55. It's like hitting a brick house. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| You stop. | ||
| There's no give with that thing. | ||
| And thankfully, I've been to riding schools, like even the Gary Sinek motocross school, so I was up high, elbows up high, so I flew like Superman. | ||
| I didn't get all tangled up in a bike. | ||
| But, I mean, I sailed for 20 yards, 60 feet. | ||
| Jesus Christ, in the air? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| 60 feet. | ||
| That's far, man! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It came down and hit directly flat and then slid and hit a tree. | ||
| So I knew the shoulder was jacked up, but that one, I had all kind of neat injuries from that one. | ||
| Like I had this one thing called a... | ||
| Adhesion? | ||
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So... | |
| I went... | ||
| I was able to make it to work. | ||
| And they checked out my shoulder. | ||
| They said, yeah, you're jacked up. | ||
| We'll put you... | ||
| We'll get you MRI tomorrow. | ||
| Hummer, hummer. | ||
| That night I go home. | ||
| And... | ||
| I wake up to go take a piss. | ||
| And I realize I've got this massive... | ||
| Like bubble on my side, massive. | ||
| And I thought, man, I might have internal bleeding. | ||
| This thing was gigantic. | ||
| It was right on top of my pelvis. | ||
| So I just set my alarm clock for like every 10 minutes just to see if I was still with it. | ||
| milliliters of bloody byproduct because it was the skin separating from the bone oh so i think that's what they call it an adhesion oh so a bunch of blood fills the gap yeah it was all like orange bloody byproduct crap nice yeah i've had some weird i'm sure injuries but But you're pieced back together again. | ||
| I can tell. | ||
| You do a lot of crazy working out. | ||
| I've seen a lot of shit you do with cinder blocks. | ||
| You make do with what's around you. | ||
| My work tempo is off the charts. | ||
| Last year and the year before, I traveled to a different state every week. | ||
| Most of them were jet-setting. | ||
| So lugging all my shit to the airport every week, all my guns and everything. | ||
| And this is for tactical training? | ||
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Right. | |
| So is this for private individuals, military training? | ||
| All of it. | ||
| Most of my courses are open enrollment. | ||
| So I have all walks of life. | ||
| I mean, the demographic is extremely wide. | ||
| And so is the skill set disparity of these guys who come. | ||
| You know, out of 14 guys who sign up, Four of them would be cops, three military, the rest civilians. | ||
| And in that civilian group, I mean, you got computer programmers, you got surgeons, you got lawyers, you got strip club owners. | ||
| I mean, the demographic is pretty eclectic. | ||
| It's pretty wide. | ||
| And when I go to these places, I used to... | ||
| Like go to a law fitness or something, you know, like an LA fitness after work. | ||
| But I got tired of that, you know, just walking through, trying to navigate my way through an endless maze of bench presses, watching guys do concentration curls in the mirror. | ||
| So I started range workouts where I'll plan it during the day and it became a thing where like fit guys in the class are watching me. | ||
| I'm going, hey, bro, what's the workout after training? | ||
| Can we do it with you? | ||
| On your Instagram? | ||
| Yeah, but then the guys in the course will say, hey, can I do the workout with you after training? | ||
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I'm like, yeah. | |
| Oh, nice. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So you just find whatever's laying around, tire, cinder block. | ||
| Yep, anything. | ||
| Wall. | ||
| You know, if I have a wall, I could do a lot with that. | ||
| Let's say it's a five, six-foot wall. | ||
| There's a lot you could do with that, a lot you could do with just a tree. | ||
| Some cinder blocks, you know. | ||
| And then every once in a while, guys will bring like a 90-pound sandbag or a couple kettlebells. | ||
| Because now it's a thing. | ||
| They expect it. | ||
| So they're like, all right, we want to do a Pat Mac workout after range day. | ||
| And, you know, kudos to those guys because that shit, that's hard. | ||
| You know, when you're on the range all day working your ass off and especially in a blazing hot sun And guys hang out to do a workout with me like bad Kudos to you, bro. | ||
| Well, people one of the cool things about the internet is that people find other people that want to push themselves Yep, they and they find inspiration through guys like you and there's you know dozens of guys like you online that That are like fun to follow and you get you go this guy's doing it I got a fucking get off my ass and go do it because sometimes people just need an example They need someone to look at and go this and it literally can change the way you live your life No, just see a guy who's doing what you're doing. | ||
| You're like goddamn. | ||
| He's fucking intense all the time He's getting after it look at his beard like Like, look at you over here. | ||
| There's a cinder block. | ||
| Yeah, I love that. | ||
| That's in Eagle Lake, Texas, probably three years ago. | ||
| What's the smoke? | ||
| Is that exhaust fume or gunshots? | ||
| No, the owner, I know what that was. | ||
| He was smoking. | ||
| It was a smoker. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Yeah, he was making meat. | ||
| Oh, nice. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, but those are hard workouts, man. | ||
| Those swings in between the legs like that. | ||
| That's how you build the real core strength. | ||
| If you're back and the whole spinal column, keep it tight and strong. | ||
| You know, it's funny. | ||
| Even today I'm reading some comments about whatever it is. | ||
| There's a lot of stupid people out there when it comes to not understanding the right way to work out. | ||
| And I want to tell these guys, hey man, two things. | ||
| One is, if you do what you've always done, you're going to get what you've always gotten. | ||
| Number two, I didn't go home last night and smoke a bunch of crack and dream this shit up. | ||
| I mean, I've done a lot of freaking research. | ||
| There's a lot of time and effort that's gone into this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They'll say, hey man, you're going to throw your back out doing that stuff. | ||
| No, motherfucker. | ||
| That's building your back. | ||
| You know, working that transverse plane is what guys neglect a lot. | ||
| See, here we go. | ||
| I'm going to get on this freaking soapbox. | ||
| I swear to God. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| Go. | ||
| Get on the box. | ||
| Do a box jump first. | ||
| When most guys work out, they live in what I call a sagittalistic environment. | ||
| You know, three planes of motion. | ||
| Frontal, sagittal, transverse. | ||
| So they're in this sagittal world doing bench press and concentration curls. | ||
| Out of the three planes of motion, I would say that transverse is most important. | ||
| Additionally, when we work out, I would also argue with confidence that it's the plane of motion that is most neglected, that transverse plane. | ||
| I like to tell guys that in the transverse plane lives life-saving and ass-kicking. | ||
| There are four reasons why we should exercise. | ||
| This is Mac's opinion. | ||
| One, self-preservation longevity. | ||
| Good for your health. | ||
| Stronger, longer. | ||
| Motion is lotion. | ||
| Number two, the ability to save your own life. | ||
| Having that confidence knowing, yep, I could pull myself out of that burning car or over that wall or whatever. | ||
| Number three, more importantly to me, is being Batman. | ||
| The ability to save somebody else's life. | ||
| So there's three reasons. | ||
| The last one, kicking somebody's fucking ass. | ||
| So, when I look at workout, I look at those four things right there. | ||
| Not like cosmetics or anything. | ||
| Cosmetics is a cool byproduct. | ||
| If you work out right, you're going to look better. | ||
| You look better, you feel better, you're more confident, you're more confident, you perform better. | ||
| Because confidence and performance work hand in hand. | ||
| So, there's no freaking magic elixir to it. | ||
| And it's hard. | ||
| Yeah, people like to see, like if you do bench press, you see your chest puff up, they see those results. | ||
| I always tell people if there's one exercise I would recommend, like people who do jiu-jitsu, Turkish get-up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I did those last week. | ||
| It's the least romantic of all workouts. | ||
| Nobody wants to do those goddamn things. | ||
| Go to a gym. | ||
| You can go to a hundred gyms. | ||
| If you're lucky, you'll find one person doing Turkish get-ups. | ||
| Every gym will have someone. | ||
| Someone somewhere is doing bench press, and someone's doing curls, and lat pull-down machine, and all that normal shit. | ||
| Yeah, working out. | ||
| It's kind of their... | ||
| It's like an anachronism. | ||
| You know, they're working in a world, like a muscle and fitness world, still. | ||
| And that's fine. | ||
| Working in isolation... | ||
| If that's your job, there's three types of people who should work out in concentration, like doing a curl or something, a concentration curl. | ||
| A professional bodybuilder. | ||
| That's your J-O-B, man. | ||
| That's your sport. | ||
| Number two, you're recovering from surgery and atrophy, so it's physical therapy. | ||
| Number three, you got no fucking idea what you're doing. | ||
| Or you're a model. | ||
| You're trying to look sexy as fuck. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So they fall in that same category. | ||
| Trying to look pretty. | ||
| What you really need with exercise is something that's going to mimic what you would actually do in real life. | ||
| Picking up things, moving them around. | ||
| Farmer walks. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Farmer walk, very unglamorous. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Carry a heavy-ass kettlebell in one hand and just walk around for like a half a mile. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And your fucking forearm would be dying. | ||
| Your legs would be killing you. | ||
| Your core is going to be shaking. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| And I like the way you put it. | ||
| Carry it on one side. | ||
| You know, load that one-sided. | ||
| Yeah, that's what you got to do. | ||
| People don't know that. | ||
| They try to do it with two arms, but with two arms, it balances out, and then it's really just a grip and a leg exercise with a little bit of lats and traps. | ||
| But really what you want to do is one 100-pounder on one hand. | ||
| Carry that bitch. | ||
| Everything is just kind of balance it out, and then turn around, put it on the left hand. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| We do, at my gym, a lot of that. | ||
| We load one side at a time. | ||
| One of the things I love to hear is a guy will say, man, I'd never see you doing the same thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm like, well, I pretty much don't. | ||
| Because I don't want to fall into a rut of complacent adaptation. | ||
| So even... | ||
| Guys will say, do you do like Oli lifts? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Every once in a while. | ||
| I'll probably do a deadlift, a standard deadlift, once every two months. | ||
| But I'm doing variations of that, like a shovel deadlift or a suitcase. | ||
| You know, deadlifts that suck and, like you said, are not glamorous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll throw those in a bunch. | ||
| Do you do much cardio? | ||
| Here's how I knock out cardio. | ||
| I have a formula. | ||
| I have a program, Combat Strength Training. | ||
| I have an e-book and a website and all this. | ||
| So is your program something that people can sign up for? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| They can buy the e-book. | ||
| What's the website? | ||
| So Jamie can pull it up? | ||
| Combatstrengthtraining.com Yep. | ||
| And the formula is work in anaerobic chunks in circuit to near metabolic threshold to meet an aerobic goal. | ||
| And then like 30, 35 minutes. | ||
| So that doesn't include warm-up. | ||
| So you're good, whatever it is. | ||
| For me, it's like bag work or something for warm-up just to make sure everything's loosey-goosey. | ||
| The older you are, the more you have to warm up, man. | ||
| Damn, don't jack yourself up. | ||
| It's called fitness, not brokenness. | ||
| Yeah, that's another thing that people don't like to do because it's not glamorous and because people get lazy. | ||
| They don't want to do that workout or the pre-workout. | ||
| They don't want to do all the skipping rope and all the just switching stances and jumping jacks and all that stuff. | ||
| But you really need to break a sweat, a real sweat, before you actually start lifting weights. | ||
| And then even if you lift weights or do anything, like say if you're going to do kettlebells, I'll start off with 35 pounds. | ||
| I'll do everything nice and light at first. | ||
| I don't start off heavy. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Well, that's also wisdom. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's also being fucked up a bunch of times, pulling this and yanking that. | ||
| Yeah, chalk that one up to wisdom because you learn that, you know what, it's okay to put my big fat ego aside. | ||
| Yeah, I still have an ego, but I'm not going to get jacked up. | ||
| Because I want to smoke these guys. | ||
| And in order to do that, I can't be, you know, I can't have tweaks in my neck and my back. | ||
| There's a bunch of guys who do these, they do these workout competitions called Train to Hunt. | ||
| And it's mostly for bow hunters where they have all these physical challenges. | ||
| Like you do a bunch of stuff with sandbags. | ||
| And the idea is to jack your heart rate up. | ||
| And then when you have to execute a shot, you've got to be in enough physical condition so you can bring your heart rate down pretty rapidly. | ||
| And it's all timed and they're competing. | ||
| I love that stuff. | ||
| Do you do that kind of stuff with tactical? | ||
| Yeah, I've got an entire YouTube channel dedicated to that stuff. | ||
| Ah, nice. | ||
| Yeah, they're all very, very tough shots, rifle, pistol, and prior to that, I'm pushing a truck, pulling it, climbing a fast rope, running with a sandbag. | ||
| I call it shot impossible almost, where that heart rate is slamming in your throat, and now you've got to go into respiratory pause and take these 50... | ||
| 50-yard pistol shots. | ||
| I'm doing pistol at 50 yards and ding, ding, ding, ding. | ||
| But yeah, I love that stuff. | ||
| And that's where interval training really comes into play. | ||
| Learning to control that heart rate, learning how to breathe the right way. | ||
| Man, that shit is badass. | ||
| I'm a big fan of all that. | ||
| Yeah, I am too. | ||
| I've never done a tactical course. | ||
| I really want to take some lessons, though. | ||
| Because I saw Keanu Reeves doing it for John Wick, and I was like, that looks fun. | ||
| I mean, I've shot my guns at the range before and stuff like that. | ||
| I've hunted with rifles, but with pistols, I'd like to go through some sort of a tactical course. | ||
| Man, you'd love my courses. | ||
| Is this one of your things right here? | ||
| Oh yeah, that's a lot of rope. | ||
| That's 100 feet of fat ass hemp rope with two 70 pound CMBs at the end of it. | ||
| And I forget what I do here, but... | ||
| Well, there's the... | ||
| Yeah, I got my steel. | ||
| The steel at the end. | ||
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I forget. | |
| I think I run up. | ||
| Oh, yeah, there's three cones. | ||
| I see them now. | ||
| So the forearms and everything are just smoked. | ||
| Jacked, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they're... | ||
| Plus music. | ||
| That'll get us kicked off YouTube if we... | ||
| Oh, this was... | ||
| Yeah, this was Turn and Burn, yeah. | ||
| Just a simple turn of burden. | ||
| But that rope crushed my spirits. | ||
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There's a couple of these YouTube videos. | |
| I've got one where I fell in love with the idea. | ||
| I do this at the gym where I grab a kettlebell and I balance it on end. | ||
| Upside down. | ||
| So 55 pound kettlebell, most people can't do that. | ||
| Just balance a kettlebell. | ||
| Well, I'll walk on a balance beam with them and stuff like that. | ||
| That's phenomenal. | ||
| Yeah, it's good stuff. | ||
| So I thought, all right, next YouTube video, I'm going to do the 55-pound cab. | ||
| It'll balance this thing on end, shoot stronghand, and then balance, and then shoot support hand 50-yard, 50-yard. | ||
| So I got out to the range. | ||
| On a balance board? | ||
| Yeah, it's on YouTube. | ||
| So I got out there, and... | ||
| I got all my stuff ready. | ||
| Got my bed in my truck. | ||
| Got my gun laid out. | ||
| I throw that kettlebell up left hand first and pull the pistol up and I'm looking at the target and I am shaking like a dog shitting sand spurs. | ||
| I'm going, this was a bad idea. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| And shot it clean. | ||
| Shot it clean the first time. | ||
| And then I have to, because I do this like Wes Stroud type of filming. | ||
| You know, Wes Stroud, the survival man? | ||
| Les. | ||
| Les Stroud. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So where I go and talk to the camera afterwards. | ||
| I was so happy when it rang again, when it rang. | ||
| So I had this massive smile on my face. | ||
| I dropped the kettlebell. | ||
| I had to erase it and come over to the camera and go, all right, well, that was a pretty good time. | ||
| Here's the time. | ||
| Upside down kettlebells are great for shoulder stability. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's all like that wiggly... | ||
| Once again, something that people don't work on in the gym, stabilization. | ||
| Balance stabilization, proprioception, kinesthetic awareness, because it ain't sexy, and they're not building peaks on biceps and cutting their abs. | ||
| So we do a lot of rubber band work, holding it isometric, and And watch everything freaking shake. | ||
| Just shake and shake. | ||
| Now, when you put together these drills and you put together these programs, do you just sit down and map it all out in your head? | ||
| Do you think like, okay, how am I going to emulate the kind of stress in a life-or-death gunfight? | ||
| Your heart rate's jacked. | ||
| You might have to physically do something. | ||
| You might have to run from someone or climb over something. | ||
| Is that how you do it? | ||
| Yeah, you're talking about like the YouTube stuff where I do the physical thing with the shoot. | ||
| The first thing I do is I put it on my calendar just so I know that I'm going to make one. | ||
| And then I'll start thinking about it. | ||
| What haven't I done? | ||
| Because I have to think also... | ||
| I have to think about the audience. | ||
| The audience that follows me on YouTube, a lot of them are gun guys. | ||
| So they want to know about the gun that I'm using. | ||
| So I have to think about that. | ||
| And then I have to think, all right, what challenge can, because I want guys to replicate it. | ||
| I want them to put those little notes on the YouTube. | ||
| Yeah, I did this and my time was a minute and 30 or whatever it was. | ||
| So I want them to be able to replicate them as well. | ||
| And want to make them with some real-world application in mind. | ||
| So front-loading a sandbag or pulling something in and out of a car. | ||
| Doing that with a bunch of repetitions. | ||
| When you're doing dead weight in and out of a car, 150 pounds, pulling it in, pushing it out, pulling it back in, pushing it out. | ||
| That'll smoke every freaking ounce of your being, and it'll crush your spirits. | ||
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I know. | |
| It's crazy, right? | ||
| You'd think of a full-grown woman. | ||
| You'd be able to pick her up and put her in a car easy. | ||
| No, hard. | ||
| Try getting her out. | ||
| Right, especially if there's no, you know, you've got to think dead weight. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| What if this person is incapacitated? | ||
| They ain't helping you. | ||
| Those arms, those limbs are moving everywhere, and it is a pain in the dick. | ||
| Yeah, you're way better off with a 150-pound barbell. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You carry that way easier. | ||
| Yeah, whatever. | ||
| Yeah, it's like, all right. | ||
| Stabilize that on your shoulder, pull it out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I have to keep those things in mind. | ||
| The other thing I want to do is I want to make them, I kind of want to make them hard enough so not everybody could do it. | ||
| Because I want to do something that my industry competitors are not doing. | ||
| And I've turned this... | ||
| I've started kind of a fad about 10 years ago where more guys are doing this now. | ||
| They're putting shoots up on interwebs with some physical activity prior to or during. | ||
| Which, yeah, good. | ||
| But I'm pretty sure I... I made it cool. | ||
| Well, the more people doing it, the better, right? | ||
| The more competition, the better. | ||
| It's just such a smart thing to think of if you really want to train the way you train and really want to think about tactical situations and real-world application. | ||
| It's such a great way to go about doing it, and it looks exciting and fun. | ||
| I mean, I haven't done it, but I'm sure it's fun. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| I talk a lot during my courses. | ||
| Now, during my courses, I don't do this stuff. | ||
| You know, because I'll have 60-year-old women in it. | ||
| I'll have guys with Parkinson's even, man, come to my course. | ||
| I have guys in wheelchairs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How do you stabilize a guy when they have Parkinson's? | ||
| That's good. | ||
| So I showed this guy a trick. | ||
| What was his name? | ||
| See if I can remember his name. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| But he was 77 years old, and he said, well, I could either come to your course and train or lay on my couch and die. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was to that effect. | ||
| Because he likes to shoot. | ||
| I said, bro, anytime. | ||
| But I have to modify the course to him now. | ||
| Because he can't even land a prone to zero. | ||
| So I would sit him on a cooler And then I used, you know, furring strips are. | ||
| They hold up a target. | ||
| They're just one by twos, you know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| About five foot long. | ||
| I had him crisscross those and hold them and then to V-notch them and then put his rifle in that V-notch. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Because he could sit up pretty good. | ||
| He couldn't get in the prone. | ||
| He can't stand and shoot. | ||
| But sitting pretty good. | ||
| And, you know... | ||
| When guys like that are concentrating more, you see that shake go away, too. | ||
| Hey, that's something we do at my gym, too. | ||
| We train Parkinson's. | ||
| It's how to box Parkinson's patients. | ||
| Really? | ||
| It's a national program called Rocksteady Boxing. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| They come in three times a week. | ||
| Where's your gym? | ||
| North Carolina. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| So people can go there? | ||
| SparTech. | ||
| S-P-A-R, like spar, and then T-C. Is it open to regular folks? | ||
| Yeah, it's open. | ||
| It's very fight-centric. | ||
| It's an MMA gym. | ||
| So everything we do is very fight-centric with the physical work and the lifting and all that. | ||
| And then we have programs. | ||
| We've got some really good fighters, man. | ||
| Dude, coach there. | ||
| I mean, they're legit fighters. | ||
| So we got really good fighters who do one-on-one coaching. | ||
| Everything from Greco to BJJ to Thai Box to Kickboxing to Standard Boxing. | ||
| It's a neat place. | ||
| It's small. | ||
| It's warehouse. | ||
| It's very Spartan. | ||
| You know, it's not sexy at all. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's my favorite kind of gym. | ||
| Yeah, it's freaking... | ||
| It's badass. | ||
| And so what do you do with these Parkinson's people? | ||
| So the Rocksteady Boxing folks, they have a program. | ||
| They come in a couple times a week, and they put them through a series of exercises. | ||
| You know, a lot of it's just... | ||
| Walking a straight line, holding this and, you know, loading one side. | ||
| And then once they're all warmed up, they all kid up, man. | ||
| You see these guys wrapping and everything, you know. | ||
| They're so excited to get there, and they put their wraps on. | ||
| And then they work a series of bag drills, you know, a one-two lateral move. | ||
| The next bag is hooks, you know, left and right hooks. | ||
| And there's an uppercut bag and there's a, you know, the double end bag. | ||
| And granted, they're not moving, you know, they're not moving much, but they're moving and they get there and they love coming there. | ||
| And some of them work up a sweat, you know, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty amazing seeing them get off their asses and get to the gym. | ||
| And I look, I remember you put something out and I pinged you like a year ago. | ||
| It was on a podcast. | ||
| And you were getting pretty emotional about somebody not wanting to work out. | ||
| And I pinged you and I said... | ||
| I think I mentioned that. | ||
| We got fucking Parkinson's people coming to my gym, you know? | ||
| Well, it's just when people make those excuses, it just drives me crazy. | ||
| Because I've seen examples. | ||
| I've been very fortunate that I have good health, but I've seen many examples. | ||
| And I've also been very fortunate that I never got out of shape. | ||
| I just kept working out my whole life. | ||
| But I've seen people that are fat as fuck, 350 pounds, just barely can get around, and then they decide, I'm going to take control of my fucking health, and then they just do it. | ||
| They just do it. | ||
| And even if you just got to walk around the block, even if you walk up flights of stairs, even if you just do a push-up, even if you do a sit-up, just do something, man. | ||
| Do some bodyweight squats. | ||
| Do something. | ||
| It can be done. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know, the journey of a thousand miles starts with that single step, and I have guys. | ||
| In my community, who will say, yeah, man, I follow your stuff. | ||
| I'm so out of shape, and I don't have the time to snatch, which is another excuse. | ||
| There's no such thing as I don't have the time. | ||
| Get up an hour early, and now you have all the time in the world. | ||
| You get an hour of workout. | ||
| I'll fuck you up in an hour. | ||
| You come work out with me for one hour, I will have you crying by the end of an hour. | ||
| That's plenty of time. | ||
| From warm-up to cool-down, one hour, done. | ||
| That's 100%. | ||
| Yeah, if you're... | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| You don't need more than that. | ||
| Keith Weber, he has this Extreme Kettlebell Cardio DVD. It's available as a digital download, though. | ||
| I can't even do 40 minutes of this motherfucker's workout with a 145-pound kettlebell. | ||
| 40 minutes in, my legs are shaking, my arms are shaking, I'm walking like I'm... | ||
| Blew both my fucking ankles out for the next couple of days. | ||
| It's ruthless. | ||
| You can get a lot done in 40 minutes. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| He's a savage, that dude. | ||
| Yeah, that guy's not shredded at all. | ||
| He does some crazy shit, too. | ||
| He brings a kettlebell. | ||
| It's all on the beach. | ||
| He just brings a pair of kettlebells on the beach and just fucking gets after it, and you just follow along with him. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| It's a great workout, too, because you're doing what he's doing, so you know it's possible. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| He's doing it right in front of your face. | ||
| Right, right, yeah. | ||
| You know, when it comes to... | ||
| I'll tell guys, come to my gym once. | ||
| Just once. | ||
| Because all I need to do is bait the hook. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get you feeling good. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And they say, well, I'm afraid you're going to smoke. | ||
| I said, nope. | ||
| Because I run, whether it's shooting or the physical stuff, I run, I call it performance-based training. | ||
| You know, I got this... | ||
| It recognizes that we all perform differently. | ||
| Performance is measured by doing what we can with what we have, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| So it gives them permission to work within their capability level, not mine. | ||
| So you don't need to replicate what I'm doing, bro. | ||
| We're going to do these same movements, but I'm going to scale this to you, to your needs. | ||
| And the other thing is, I don't want you to be incapacitated. | ||
| I don't want you to work out so hard that you're not able to move for the next three days. | ||
| I have another rule is that you could work out as hard as you want in the gym, but when you walk out that door that says exit, you've got to be ready to kick somebody's ass. | ||
| I mean, I don't like to work out to the point of being incapacitated. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So there's a balancing act there, and I've figured it out. | ||
| I've fucked that up many times. | ||
| Many, yeah. | ||
| And I think that's why I figured it out, because too many times, I am, for a whole weekend, going, oh my god. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My freaking ass, my thighs, my... | ||
| What do you do for recovery? | ||
| Do you fuck around with cryotherapy or saunas or anything like that? | ||
| I do nothing. | ||
| Do nothing? | ||
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Really? | |
| No. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| How come? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because I haven't really needed it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You should just get a sauna. | ||
| Get a sauna in your gym. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Just that alone. | ||
| Get a sauna and a fucking ice bath. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I drink beer for recovery. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's a nightly ritual. | ||
| I will not be able to function if I don't get a go. | ||
| How many beers? | ||
| Usually around four, but they're good quality pints. | ||
| I'm not chug-a-lugging NASCAR soda by the case. | ||
| Barley pops, but good quality IPA stouts, porters, that kind of thing. | ||
| You just live for it? | ||
| Yeah, I love it. | ||
| I'm a hobbyist, man. | ||
| I'm a hobbyist. | ||
| That or bourbon. | ||
| That doesn't seem to go hand in hand in a lot of people's eyes. | ||
| I know. | ||
| People are like, are you freaking kidding me? | ||
| It's like, hey man, I have a policy. | ||
| My wife and I have a policy. | ||
| Every night is Saturday night, but every morning is Monday morning. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| So we go out almost every night. | ||
| We go out. | ||
| Because if I'm at home, I'm going to work. | ||
| I'm going to work until I fall asleep. | ||
| So, you know, that clock hits six, seven at night. | ||
| I'm like, all right, let me go meet my wife. | ||
| She's getting off of work. | ||
| We're going to go have a couple pints, have a big old bourbon or something like that. | ||
| And, uh, yep, I smoke cigars, um, dip, uh, But the thing is, it's all about diet. | ||
| I mean, my diet's ridiculous. | ||
| What do you eat? | ||
| Predominantly, when I meal prep, it's collard greens, spinach, bell pepper, and chicken. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And then spice it up with, you know, salt, pepper, and garlic. | ||
| So do you prep for the week? | ||
| Do you make like a bunch of... | ||
| Yeah, but it doesn't... | ||
| I don't have a pot big enough to prep for the week, so I prep for like two, three days at a whack and just chow down. | ||
| And that's the other thing, diet, man. | ||
| You know, there's this... | ||
| Dude, what's the secret in diet? | ||
| Eat food. | ||
| Food doesn't come in a bag or a box. | ||
| That's a product. | ||
| Shop at the periphery of a grocery store. | ||
| If you go into the guts, all you're going in there is for coffee, olive oil, salt, and that's it. | ||
| That's a good way of looking at it. | ||
| Stay on the outside. | ||
| That's where the meat and vegetables are. | ||
| Beware of the inside. | ||
| Just beware. | ||
| If you're going in there, go with a purpose. | ||
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Don't get sucked into that cereal aisle. | |
| You're like, damn, Cocoa Puffs. | ||
| I haven't had Cocoa Puffs in so long. | ||
| And then the older you get, the less your body can't process that crap. | ||
| So diet for me, get up in the morning. | ||
| It's habitual, full quarter water since I wake up. | ||
| Full quarter water. | ||
| First thing. | ||
| Power slam. | ||
| Just don't even set it down. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| What's the thought process behind that? | ||
| I'm getting that down. | ||
| I'm getting it in me. | ||
| No wasting time. | ||
| It's there for a reason. | ||
| Because you wake up dehydrated, I just want to power slam that down. | ||
| And get it all into me. | ||
| And then, you know, I eat a clean breakfast, like a couple of boiled eggs and some bacon. | ||
| And then throughout the day, people say, well, is there a certain amount? | ||
| Because too many people follow too many diets, which is good for them. | ||
| If you're following a diet, kudos. | ||
| But like meal times and how many times a day. | ||
| I eat when I'm hungry and I don't eat until I'm full. | ||
| It's pretty freaking simple. | ||
| You don't eat till you're full, so you back off? | ||
| Right. | ||
| What do you hit, like 70%, 80%? | ||
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Yeah, about that. | |
| About that. | ||
| And then a portion of that is thinking, well, what if I got to sprint 400 yards? | ||
| Or what if I got to kick somebody's ass? | ||
| Right now. | ||
| Right now. | ||
| And if I'm 100%, It's going to be shooting out of both ends. | ||
| So diet is freaking huge, man, huge. | ||
| But it allows me to drink those beers at night. | ||
| It allows me to do stuff like that and then make sure I'm hitting it every day, the gym. | ||
| Seven days? | ||
| I usually don't have time for seven days. | ||
| And even if I did, I probably wouldn't. | ||
| I'd probably take at least one day off, maybe two. | ||
| But you know, as well as I do, that you are more in tuned when you get older to what your body's telling your brain. | ||
| Your body, when you get older, says, you know what, back the fuck off today. | ||
| You don't need to do this shit. | ||
| And I listen to that, man. | ||
| I do listen to that, too. | ||
| That's so important to listen to that. | ||
| There's those days where I'm like, man, I just feel a little off today. | ||
| I'm like, am I being a pussy? | ||
| Like, I don't think so. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| I think I'm feeling off, and then all of a sudden I'll start, my nose will start running, I'll start coughing a little bit. | ||
| Ooh, right, yeah, yeah. | ||
| People around me are sick. | ||
| I'm like, ah, lucky I listened. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then that cold will be gone in a day or two. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Versus if I just go run the hills. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to go sweat it out. | ||
| That shit is not real. | ||
| No. | ||
| People say sweat it out. | ||
| Unless you're getting in a steam room or a sauna, you ain't sweating out shit. | ||
| You're twisting your body up, and you're probably going to make your immune system even weaker. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| When you were talking about those Parkinson's folks, when they come into your gym and they do that, do they experience any benefit in terms of their function? | ||
| Does it help them? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And some more than others. | ||
| I think it depends on what stage they're in, how long they've been there. | ||
| But absolutely, we've got one guy... | ||
| Who used to be a bow hunter and he can't anymore. | ||
| So we got him replicating that motion with rubber bands and he could barely do a small one initially. | ||
| He gave it up because he thought, you know what? | ||
| It's not working for me. | ||
| So he kind of gave up. | ||
| But once we started working the rubber bands, he started seeing results. | ||
| This is a 70-year-old man with Parkinson's. | ||
| He's like, holy crap, man. | ||
| I'm going to be able to draw my bow again because I'm doing these exercises. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| With a lot of guys, especially with their balance. | ||
| Lateral movement. | ||
| That's one that I see a lot, you know, with the lateral movement. | ||
| They're making big improvements with lateral movement. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What helps? | ||
| Does weight training help them? | ||
| I think it's... | ||
| Just getting that body moving, you know, and then with the boxing, it's that hand and eye coordination, too. | ||
| You know, being visually acute, you know, to the spot that you're supposed to hit on that bag, you know, every time. | ||
| So, it's a combination of the... | ||
| Because the weights are very, very minimal, you know. | ||
| We don't want these guys to get jacked up. | ||
| And the gal who runs it, Laura, is pretty... | ||
| She's pretty cognizant of that, you know, about not wanting them to get jacked up. | ||
| So their loads are very light when they do any kind of weight training. | ||
| But I'd always wondered, because it is a neurological disorder. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| They benefit from it because they're getting out of the fucking house, out of the hospital. | ||
| They're getting to a gym. | ||
| They're wrapping up. | ||
| They're motivated. | ||
| They're fired up to be there. | ||
| It's obvious that they have Parkinson's. | ||
| They're not running around the ring like Roy Jones. | ||
| But they're fired up to be there, and it's giving them... | ||
| Purpose. | ||
| People need purpose. | ||
| Speaking of that, when you retired from the military, did you envision yourself doing something along these lines? | ||
| Like teaching tactical stuff? | ||
| Oh man, I went through some rough patches. | ||
| As most guys do, right? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Man, it was... | ||
| No, I morphed into who I am only in like the past six or seven years. | ||
| I retired in 05. I got hired before I even retired by a corporation to do training stuff. | ||
| And I kind of fell, I was almost falling into that rut of accepting mediocrity. | ||
| Plus, what I didn't know I had depression. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Which is common, especially in the spec ops world, guys retire. | ||
| Because you've been there in units with the same guys for a long, long time. | ||
| And you've... | ||
| There's a level of intimacy there that can't be replicated with another human being. | ||
| And then when you retire, you miss that camaraderie, that connection. | ||
| So I had, working for a corporation... | ||
| I had a really bad relationship. | ||
| I was living in the bonus room of my garage. | ||
| I'd lived there for five years. | ||
| Because I had an ex who was on chemistry. | ||
| You know, prescription meds. | ||
| Go Big Pharma. | ||
| And so the neuroreceptors were freaking gone. | ||
| I mean, delusional. | ||
| And it was real bad. | ||
| And then I started boozing with depression. | ||
| It didn't even occur to me that, dude, you got a fucking problem, man. | ||
| It didn't even occur. | ||
| I guess which is common with a lot of guys. | ||
| But I had an epiphany. | ||
| A lot of things happened at one time. | ||
| My local cops saved my life. | ||
| They said, bro, you need to get the fuck out of there. | ||
| And a bunch of things happened all at once. | ||
| This was in 2013. I didn't want to leave because I had little kids. | ||
| So I didn't want to leave. | ||
| I was going to stay there and just wither away. | ||
| And I almost capitulated to darkness. | ||
| But I got up with... | ||
| Before I went to sleep one night, my kid is sleeping with me and I'm hammered. | ||
| And it's like 8 at night. | ||
| And I had an epiphany. | ||
| I said, you know what? | ||
| I can't. | ||
| I can't do this. | ||
| And I will not. | ||
| I remember saying this to myself. | ||
| I will not be defeated. | ||
| I will not be defeated. | ||
| And I put my running shoes by the side of my bed and some shorts. | ||
| Set my alarm clock, got up early next morning, and went for a run, a la Forrest Gump. | ||
| And I pounded the pavement for about 10 or 12 miles. | ||
| And I'm not a runner, you know? | ||
| I like to run. | ||
| I like to sprint. | ||
| And when I came back from the run, worked out in my driveway for about an hour, and my local cops came. | ||
| It all happened at the same time. | ||
| And they came and said, hey, bro, get the fuck out. | ||
| The kids will be all right. | ||
| You need to do this and that. | ||
| And then I started kind of figuring out... | ||
| I'm re-evaluating my path in life. | ||
| Oh, back up a step. | ||
| I also got laid off from this corporation. | ||
| And, you know, with a guy in the military, you don't ever think about job security. | ||
| And when I retired, I'm working for a corporation that was mostly made up of retired military guys. | ||
| So you get laid off and you're like, what the fuck am I going to do now? | ||
| What does that even mean, getting laid off? | ||
| What am I going to do? | ||
| So all that shit happened at the same time. | ||
| It was like this massive spiral of bad events. | ||
| And man, I was able to rekindle my own fire. | ||
| Because I recognize, alright bro, you still got an ember. | ||
| You still got this. | ||
| All you need to do is just nurture that ember and turn it into a flame. | ||
| Turn that into a flame and then just start adding wood. | ||
| Adding wood, adding wood until it becomes just a perpetual blaze. | ||
| Which led me to this thing that I tell people now, you know, is that you got to keep the blaze alive. | ||
| I've got that on t-shirts even. | ||
| Because I like... | ||
| I like to kick people in the ass who are willing to sustain their own fire once they get that ass kicking. | ||
| If they can't keep their fire going, then it's not worth it for me to keep kicking them in the ass. | ||
| Yeah, so ever since that... | ||
| At that point in time, you know, getting laid off, the depression, the booze, and I was able to rediscover me and rebrand and pretty much start from scratch. | ||
| I mean, I had to start life all over again when I was 48 years old. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yep, the whole thing from scratch. | ||
| And I discovered like social media and all this stuff because I met a gal and... | ||
| I'm married to her now and she's probably the best person, one of the best human beings I've ever met, you know, all around human being. | ||
| So she was able to help me with that and said, hey, you need to do this. | ||
| You need to get this social media platform or that one. | ||
| So it's detonated pretty well considering I've been on it a short amount of time. | ||
| But apparently the message is resonating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's a genuine message. | ||
| That's why I picked up on it. | ||
| Oh, right on. | ||
| But I love that you figured your shit out. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| That's my favorite thing. | ||
| I mean, look, everybody's prone to mistakes and prone to depression and people are prone to hitting rock bottom. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Your life can go down a series of bad roads, and you find yourself in a bad relationship or a bad job, a bad situation in life, and it's very, very difficult at that moment to have faith and confidence that you can readjust, reconsider, and reengage. | ||
| And that's what you did. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I love those kind of stories. | ||
| I love when people get their shit together. | ||
| And I think that... | ||
| That helps me help other people. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Because I could relate. | ||
| And I don't sit down with them and pat them on the shoulder and say, hey, bro, I was there, too, or anything like that. | ||
| I don't even share with them. | ||
| But I empathize. | ||
| And sometimes that's all it takes. | ||
| You empathize, and you just give them just a little bit of the right advice. | ||
| Just a little bit. | ||
| You know, not too much. | ||
| Well, oftentimes people just need momentum. | ||
| They need one good day. | ||
| You need one good day. | ||
| That's why I said to that one guy, just come to the gym one day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you have one good day where you eat clean, you drink a lot of water, like you did. | ||
| You got that day, you woke up, you put your shoes on, you went for a run, you worked out your driveway, you got a good day in. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's sometimes all you need to do and decide, this is what I do from now on. | ||
| I have good days. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Tomorrow's gonna be another good day, and then I'm gonna force myself into another good day, and the next thing you know, I've got some momentum. | ||
| You got some momentum, you could change everything. | ||
| I've felt, many times in my life, I've felt like I could slip the wrong way, and I just, I see it. | ||
| I see the dark hole, and I go, fuck that, and just go the other way. | ||
| The problem is, when people fall into that dark hole, they think that that defines them, but it doesn't. | ||
| It doesn't define you. | ||
| It's just you right now. | ||
| You could be totally different tomorrow. | ||
| You're a human being. | ||
| You can think. | ||
| You can adjust. | ||
| And there's so much inspiration. | ||
| It's one of the beautiful things about your Instagram page and many, many other Instagram pages. | ||
| Is that you can take, if you curate your feed correctly and you don't follow a bunch of knuckleheads, you can go to your Instagram or to whatever social media platform you like and you can go and check out a lot of cool shit. | ||
| Oh man, you're right. | ||
| And you feel good about it. | ||
| You get fired up and you want to do good with your life. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I love being inspired by other guys that I follow on social media. | ||
| I'm a motivator, but I like to be motivated, too. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| So, I love... | ||
| I've met a lot of really cool people on those platforms, you know? | ||
| Sitting across from you, for example. | ||
| And it's not a... | ||
| Because too many guys, especially like my age, are afraid of it. | ||
| You know, they're afraid of those platforms. | ||
| They're saying, hey, bro, you don't have to... | ||
| Go crazy on it, but you should at least check this out and check that out. | ||
| You don't have to follow thousands of things. | ||
| Well, people see emojis and sponsored posts and like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| What am I doing here? | ||
| I'm 50 years old. | ||
| The fuck is this? | ||
| But you're right, too. | ||
| We are human beings and we are allowed to err. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And as a matter of fact, in most cases, it is a biological requirement for us to jack shit up. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| But when we do, all we need to make sure is that it doesn't become a recurring theme, that we learn from the past, prepare for the future, perform, and live in the present. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because, man, we've been blessed with a very, very short... | ||
| Existence on this planet that amazes me that can nurture and sustain freaking life in a solar system that can do the same. | ||
| I like to feel insignificant and small, like looking up at the stars through a telescope. | ||
| It's like, damn, man, I'm freaking nothing. | ||
| I am nothing. | ||
| I can see the Andromeda galaxy through my telescope. | ||
| And that's the closest one that we can see. | ||
| And there's billions of stars in that galaxy. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| There are billions... | ||
| Of galaxies just like that. | ||
| I mean, I am so freaking significant. | ||
| So let me make the best of this time that I have on this planet with these other several billion people. | ||
| Because, I mean... | ||
| Just the fact that I am a human being, you know, that are strands of DNA wrapped in protein thrown in with some amino acids, it's mind-blowing that I'm, you know... | ||
| You're a thing. | ||
| Yeah, that I'm a thing. | ||
| Yeah, no, I feel the same way all the time. | ||
| It's so easy to get wrapped up in your own day-to-day existence and weird little dumb things. | ||
| And if there's only little dumb things in your life too, those dumb things become huge. | ||
| When you have big things in your life, it's easy to look at those dumb things and brush them off. | ||
| When you're really working hard at something and you have a lot of positive things going on in your life, then it's easier. | ||
| It's one of the good things about Really hard exercises. | ||
| It's very difficult to do. | ||
| So when you go to a very difficult, real, or real difficult physical struggle, all the little bullshit seems like nothing. | ||
| It gets exposed for what it really is. | ||
| It seems like a big deal in the moment, in the time. | ||
| But that's just a trap. | ||
| Because your body needs something to think about. | ||
| Your body's always worrying. | ||
| Your brain is always focusing on danger. | ||
| You worry about threats and predators. | ||
| And if there's no predators, then it's fucking microaggressions. | ||
| Then it's this guy looked at me funny at the office. | ||
| It's like this bitch is always parking in the spot I want. | ||
| People get weird. | ||
| You start focusing on nonsense. | ||
| On the minutiae. | ||
| I think that's one of the primary benefits of physical exercise. | ||
| It's not just that it blows out all that excess energy that I think your body stores up. | ||
| The way I always describe it is that a person's body is almost like a battery that's leaking energy. | ||
| You've got to purge it. | ||
| You got to purge it of that excess energy because it has certain physical requirements. | ||
| Then on top of that, the physical difficulty of running a hard two, three miles in the mountains or wherever you're at or doing a crazy CrossFit workout or whatever the fuck you like to do, taking a jiu-jitsu class. | ||
| That shit is so hard that all the other nonsense in your life puts into perspective. | ||
| Then from there, then look up. | ||
| Then look up at the whole stars and go, man, you're just lucky to be experiencing this. | ||
| To be able to think about this. | ||
| To be this person that's living in the most amazing time ever for human beings. | ||
| To be spinning around on this ball, flying through infinity. | ||
| It's nothing but gravy. | ||
| It provides you with great... | ||
| Centering balance, you know? | ||
| Perspective. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, man, what else? | ||
| You said something that, you know, we talked about that. | ||
| People focusing on the minutiae. | ||
| Oh, another thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You were saying how... | ||
| It's a sticking point with me. | ||
| Human beings, our primal thought, we worry about dangers and stuff like that. | ||
| But man, it's amazing how many people nowadays have relinquished their primal defense mechanisms of awareness and mobility. | ||
| All that. | ||
| They've just given up the primal stuff. | ||
| They're fat, dumb, lazy, happy button pushers, flaccid and complacent, and just walking around in 45-degree syndrome. | ||
| I'm on that bus today to go to the rental car place from LAX, and everybody's on the phone, which there's times you could be in the white, but I look around and I go, well, looks like I'm on security right now. | ||
| Because nobody else is going to see this or that happen. | ||
| Yeah, there's a ton of people that are just staring at their phone all day long and not paying attention to their surroundings at all. | ||
| It's not that you need to all the time. | ||
| Most of the time you don't. | ||
| But the time when you do, boy, that could change your life or the life of your loved ones. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And walking around the streets is not the time to do it. | ||
| There's a time to be in the white space. | ||
| You know what I'm talking about with the white, like Cooper's color code, white to black, white is like zombie mode, and that's... | ||
| Me in my house in my ranger panties watching TV or whatever. | ||
| That's the time when you're allowed to be in the white where black is, you know, you're fighting for your life. | ||
| It's horrible, horrific, terrifying. | ||
| But, you know, in the streets, you gotta be at least in the yellow. | ||
| You know, just have your wits about you a little bit. | ||
| So, let me take you back to when you decided to get your shit together again. | ||
| So, you decided to get your shit together again. | ||
| You begin the process, and then how did you get to where you're at now? | ||
| Well, getting laid off was scary as hell, but sometimes, you know, when you're in crisis mode like that, you think most efficiently. | ||
| There's a series of things that happen. | ||
| One is, you know, you get scared to death. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Laid off. | ||
| I think that was the first one. | ||
| Scared and then angry. | ||
| And this is over a couple days. | ||
| And then focus. | ||
| When I got focused, I built my company, T-Max. | ||
| I mean, I just thought of everything. | ||
| I just had one epiphany after this. | ||
| What am I going to call it? | ||
| Let me just make up an acronym that sounds cool. | ||
| And it covered all the bases. | ||
| Training, marketing, adventure, concept, security. | ||
| I covered everything. | ||
| T-Max. | ||
| And then... | ||
| And then, man, shit just... | ||
| I was so freaking fortunate because shit fell into place for me. | ||
| I had guys who I trained for this corporation call the corporation and say, hey, we want Pat Mack to come train us again. | ||
| And they said, well, he's no longer here, but we could have somebody else do it. | ||
| And they were like, no, we don't want somebody else. | ||
| We don't care what it's called or what you're branding it. | ||
| We want this guy doing it. | ||
| So they were able to get in contact with me. | ||
| It was a big contract. | ||
| And then another one came up. | ||
| And then another one. | ||
| All in the same year. | ||
| It was all tactical training? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it was all... | ||
| So that year was complete. | ||
| And then I had a bunch of different lessons learned, like government contracts, like sequestration. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| 2013? | ||
| Anyway, sequestration. | ||
| So government contracting and stuff like that, it all went away. | ||
| So there was a time in 2013 where I didn't work for six months. | ||
| It's scary when you're doing everything... | ||
| For and by yourself. | ||
| All your own admin and everything like that. | ||
| It could be... | ||
| It's very exciting, but scary as shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, damn, man. | ||
| I don't care how much stuff I have in the pipeline. | ||
| I keep jamming more shit in there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But once... | ||
| So I had those government contracts. | ||
| Then... | ||
| I just built momentum and then started learning. | ||
| Alright, let's get rid of this. | ||
| Let's do more of this. | ||
| Let's not focus on that. | ||
| Let's focus on this. | ||
| And it grew into a very... | ||
| It's like self-fulfilling machine. | ||
| It's running very well right now. | ||
| But it was not easy getting there. | ||
| I mean, there was a lot of bumps and obstacles in the road. | ||
| But I tell guys that all the time, man. | ||
| Any road worth traveling... | ||
| You're probably going to have obstacles in it. | ||
| There's going to be temptation, like shortcuts. | ||
| Nope, stay on that road, bro. | ||
| Stay on that road. | ||
| Go through those potholes. | ||
| Go over those freaking bumps. | ||
| This road, it's going to suck, but after a while, it'll smooth out. | ||
| And sure enough, my road's smoothed out, and the bumps are few and far between right now. | ||
| So yeah, man, I'm the happiest I've ever been in my life, probably, right now. | ||
| I'm 54 years old. | ||
| It's like I've grown up. | ||
| But that's smart. | ||
| If you're a person who's thinking and trying to do better with your life, you should be at your best right now. | ||
| You should be at your best with how you perceive things, how you decide to approach things, how you look at things. | ||
| So when you're doing these tactical courses and you're traveling so much, that's very hard on your body. | ||
| That's probably one of the hardest things on your body, right? | ||
| All that travel? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I travel with two big cases because I have a gun case and a gear case. | ||
| You become a travel pro, but it still sucks. | ||
| You get up early, drive an hour to the airport, wait an hour to get your plane, take that plane to this And then, you know, another plane to this place, get in your rental car, go to your hotel, check in. | ||
| It's gotta be a pain in the ass to travel with the guns, too, right? | ||
| Yeah, well, only because it's different in every airport. | ||
| Yeah, in Alaska, they're used to guns. | ||
| They're like, yeah, come on in. | ||
| Yeah, Alaska, Wyoming, places like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But it's different in every airport. | ||
| So there's no consistency. | ||
| Even though, you know, I know what the webpage says. | ||
| I know what it says. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But they don't know what it says. | ||
| They have no idea. | ||
| When I travel with my bow, I find that. | ||
| LAX. Right. | ||
| Depending upon who I talk to. | ||
| Like some people, I go, yeah, it's a bow. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Oh, I bow hunt. | ||
| They go, okay, cool. | ||
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Yeah, right. | |
| And it's fine. | ||
| Other people are like, I don't think you can travel with this one. | ||
| I definitely can. | ||
| Get your manager. | ||
| Let's go to the website. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And, you know, give myself an extra hour just in case shit like that happens. | ||
| Yeah, and I do that. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| I plan for that extra hour just in case I gotta piss and moan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But some of them are real smooth. | ||
| You know, airports are real smooth. | ||
| Others are a pain in the dick. | ||
| But people must look at you weird, though, right? | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| I mean, they know me at my airport. | ||
| But you're also in North Carolina. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a different animal, too. | ||
| When you bring something like that to California, people are like, oh. | ||
| California is not as horrible as some other states. | ||
| It's not Second Amendment heaven. | ||
| Yeah, but it's not as horrible as some other states. | ||
| What's the worst? | ||
| New York. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's the worst. | ||
| Forget about it. | ||
| Yeah, you can't even have a handgun in New York. | ||
| It's so hard to get a handgun. | ||
| Yeah, so you got like New Jersey, New York, Connecticut. | ||
| Yeah, states like that. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Yeah, they have very strange gun laws there. | ||
| I guess it's just because they've got so much violence, they thought that that was the solution. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So, what do you enjoy the most? | ||
| Do you enjoy doing the social media stuff? | ||
| Do you enjoy doing the tactical training? | ||
| Like, what do you enjoy doing the most? | ||
| Um, I... I like doing the workout stuff more than anything. | ||
| Because I think with that, I reach and help more people. | ||
| Even if they could be... | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's like, you know, I have so many... | ||
| I don't know how this has happened. | ||
| But I have morphed into this guy who people rely on to motivate them. | ||
| And they tell me, bro, you're motivating the hell out of me. | ||
| Which fires me up. | ||
| As my buddy CJ says, what motivates a motivator? | ||
| Tell him you're motivating him. | ||
| So I love doing that stuff because it touches a lot of people, regardless of their age or their physical ability. | ||
| And a lot of guys may be bedridden with an illness or something like that, and it'll fire them up. | ||
| So I like doing that stuff. | ||
| I think next would be the shooting thing. | ||
| I mean, I love it. | ||
| I love running courses and meeting new people. | ||
| I meet a dozen new people every week from all walks of life. | ||
| All different reasons, motivations for doing it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And guys, they'll ask me during the classes, they say, bro, how do you stay motivated to do these almost every week? | ||
| And I say, because I get to meet guys like you, bro. | ||
| I mean, it's as simple as that. | ||
| Yeah, if you find enthusiastic people and you're teaching them, that helps a lot. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you know, I like to fire people up, but I like to get it in return. | ||
| Do you find a lot of guys that are also retiring from the military, they want to talk to you about this because they're trying to figure out their path? | ||
| A couple of them have hit me up, and I am, man, open arms. | ||
| I'm like, let me show you whatever you want to know, because I have figured this out. | ||
| So, yep, I'm your Huckleberry. | ||
| It's not many of them, but they'll be a half dozen a year. | ||
| Who will ping me, hey, I want to get into the training industry. | ||
| There's plenty of room for it. | ||
| Every guy that I know that's either been spec ops, SEAL, whatever they've been, when they retire, it's one of the hardest moments of their life. | ||
| It's so hard for them to find some purpose. | ||
| And it's hard for them to find roots just to really feel like they belong again. | ||
| Because that life is so intense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you have meaning. | ||
| And it's selfless. | ||
| You're doing something bigger than yourself. | ||
| And so, yeah, because you want, once again, if you just find, let's say, a J-O-B, where you're working, and maybe even working for the man, there's no meaning there. | ||
| You're not a part of something bigger than yourself. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So I always tell guys, hey, whenever you get out, whenever you separate, especially if you've got, you know, 20 plus years, and that's a long time, you are going to be adversely affected no matter how badass you are upstairs. | ||
| You're going to be to some degree. | ||
| You know, it could be a little depressed. | ||
| It could be a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if you find something, and it could be working for a charity, whatever. | ||
| If you find something where you could, with impunity, go to sleep and look forward to the next day, where you say, man, tomorrow's going to be freaking awesome. | ||
| I can't wait because I got this project pending and I'm going to help so many people. | ||
| Be better people. | ||
| Then, if you could do that, I mean, find that instead of just, you know, getting stuck in a rut, you know, instead of accepting mediocrity. | ||
| But, because that meaning, purposefulness, and selfless, doing something selfless, and being a part of something bigger than yourself is freaking huge. | ||
| Do they prepare you at all when you're getting ready to retire? | ||
| They say, good luck. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Sayonara. | ||
| They just figure you're a badass and figure it out. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mean, you're making the choice because I could have stayed in another 10 years or what have you. | ||
| So you're doing it. | ||
| You're making that choice. | ||
| Why did you decide to leave? | ||
| There was a kind of a defining moment. | ||
| I had to do some soul searching. | ||
| It was all... | ||
| I had 22 years in. | ||
| I lost a couple buds at that moment. | ||
| And I had two little kitties at home. | ||
| So I had to do some soul searching and I thought, well, will there be any regret whatsoever? | ||
| And I thought, man, I pretty much... | ||
| I've done it all. | ||
| You know, as far as like special ops goes, I've... | ||
| I am not going to have any regrets because that was a big thing. | ||
| Will I regret this? | ||
| And I said to myself, no, I won't. | ||
| So I decided to retire with 22. And it was all special. | ||
| I was very fortunate. | ||
| My whole career was special ops, the whole thing. | ||
| But I did regret it. | ||
| I mean, it didn't take long. | ||
| You know, and it got worse. | ||
| Every year that passed, it got worse and worse. | ||
| And I was like, man, I should have just stayed. | ||
| Well, it's got to be so hard even for, not just for you, but for, I mean, not just for the soldiers, but for the wives. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, to know that the husband is constantly in these crazy situations overseas, constantly in these very, very dangerous environments. | ||
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Yep. | |
| The stress of that. | ||
| Yeah, I think it takes a special kind on both sides, you know. | ||
| And usually, spouses have a pretty good support mechanism, too, with the units and other spouses and that kind of thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, yeah, usually they're pretty tough. | ||
| They get used to it. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| You know, it becomes a way of life. | ||
| It becomes a normal thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But yeah, still miss it. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, everyone I talk to does, you know. | ||
| Have you ever read Sebastian Junger's book, Tribe? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just, just recently, I didn't, I listened to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, freaking badass. | ||
| Yeah, I loved it. | ||
| Yeah, he's great reading it, too. | ||
| It's an excellent book. | ||
| And does it explain in your eyes? | ||
| I thought he did a pretty good job with that whole thing. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I thought he was pretty much spot on. | ||
| North and Southing my head as I was driving down I-95 listening to that book. | ||
| So, it's safe to say that you went through this period post-military where you were really just trying to find yourself again, but then you caught it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then you caught it, and now you seem like you're in your glory. | ||
| Oh, hell yeah. | ||
| Like I said, I really enjoy your page, man. | ||
| Oh, right on. | ||
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Thanks, yeah. | |
| It's really fun. | ||
| It's intense, and you're also kind of, you're a badass, but you're fun with it. | ||
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Yeah, right. | |
| You have a good time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I love doing it. | ||
| I love both doing the YouTube channel and the IG. And I put some thought into it. | ||
| And your wife helped you with this stuff? | ||
| Yeah, she helped me set stuff up. | ||
| Because I didn't know what any of this stuff was. | ||
| So we got married... | ||
| We met in like fall of 13. And then the first social media platform I had was Facebook because somebody's posing as me. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| So in order to report them, I needed to get an account on Facebook. | ||
| And then once I did, I friend requested this guy who was posing as me. | ||
| And anyway. | ||
| What did he say? | ||
| Why was he doing it? | ||
| I figured it out. | ||
| I did some detective work. | ||
| But he was posing as me because he wanted to bash somebody else in the gun industry and pose as somebody credible in the industry. | ||
| So this guy that he was bashing contacted me and said, hey, why are you saying this? | ||
| And I don't talk shit about anybody. | ||
| So I'm like, bro, I think you got the wrong guy. | ||
| And I said, just call me up. | ||
| Here's my number. | ||
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That's hilarious. | |
| And we had a chit-chat and he goes, oh... | ||
| Man, I got some bad news for you. | ||
| You do have a Facebook account. | ||
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You sent me a link and everything. | |
| So I started that one. | ||
| I already had a couple YouTube videos up. | ||
| But then I just went full bore with it. | ||
| Went kind of bat shit. | ||
| And then the... | ||
| The IG was fun, man, when Rebecca, my wife, showed me that. | ||
| That was probably, I think, I'm five years into that. | ||
| And I figured it out, you know, what my audience wants. | ||
| I pay attention to... | ||
| You know, the analytics. | ||
| Do you really? | ||
| Yeah, only because I want to. | ||
| Because I want to give them what they want versus me. | ||
| What do you get out of the analytics? | ||
| What does it show you? | ||
| The age group, the time of day, you know, those kind of things. | ||
| But also the amount of views and what's the other word? | ||
| The – not views, but the reach. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, you know, it's the – it's – It's, the videos do the best, and if they're short, like I do a lot around the combat strength training. | ||
| So I supplement my e-book with little workout snippets. | ||
| Hey, this is another example of a power thing, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| So I put information in there as well. | ||
| You know, I jot down info. | ||
| So make sure you work in a transverse plane, you know, rate of force production, no speed, no power, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And this could be supplemented with a Resistance band instead of weight. | ||
| So I pay attention to that stuff because that's what people want. | ||
| That's where I get the most feedback. | ||
| Guys are like, bro, thank you so much for putting this out. | ||
| I'm like, all right, man. | ||
| So I know for a fact that I'm helping people. | ||
| Or if I put maybe a course of fire out or talk about a specific way to clean and break down a 1911. Whatever it is. | ||
| When I put out information, it resonates better. | ||
| And it seems that it's more palatable with the masses or the people who are following me. | ||
| Because I get a lot... | ||
| I answer all those freaking comments. | ||
| Do you really? | ||
| A lot of them. | ||
| How can you do that? | ||
| I spend... | ||
| How many followers do you have? | ||
| On IG 160K... How the fuck can you possibly answer all those things? | ||
| A lot of them are just, you know, hitting the like. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And sometimes that means a lot to people, man. | ||
| You know, I'll have guys screenshotting, Pat Mack liked my comment, you know? | ||
| But it's a couple hours. | ||
| I'll spend, I think, two hours a day is what I do on the social, like, email. | ||
| Then I could get to work. | ||
| You know, I don't have to fuck with that anymore. | ||
| But it's usually about that much. | ||
| Well, your page makes me want to take a tactical course. | ||
| So if somebody wanted to do that, where would they go? | ||
| They go to my website, tmaxinc.com. | ||
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Do you ever do any of them out here in LA? Yeah, I used to come out here all the time. | |
| The only reason, and it's not the gun thing, just I'm getting travel-weary, man. | ||
| That three-hour time zone smokes the shit out of me. | ||
| You ever go to Australia? | ||
| No, I've been invited to do courses there, but there's a whole new, another thing with training overseas. | ||
| It's, you know, it's a State Department, Department of State thing, and ITARS and all that. | ||
| It's a pain in the dick. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure. | ||
| So, I'm not trying to blow these guys off. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Take a live CST course. | ||
| Oh, yeah, the CST course. | ||
| I don't do them live much anymore, only because they didn't... | ||
| They didn't sell and feel well because I think they thought that it was going to be a beatdown. | ||
| Oh, that you were going to go and kick their asses? | ||
| Right, but it's a lot of information and a lot of feel and stuff out. | ||
| So what is a CST course? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Well, it's basically replicating what I have in that e-book and people say, bro, put this book in hardcover. | ||
| It's 35 pages, man. | ||
| It's not cost-productive. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Just download it and print it out, would you? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| What is a CST course? | ||
| A CST course would replicate what I have in that book within a day's period. | ||
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| So it's a good supplement for those who have the book because I do all the classroom with the whiteboard stuff. | ||
| You know, you break the work week down, power day, strength, race, speed, and quickness, hypertrophy, skills, and then talk about, you know, eccentric, concentric, isometric, transverse, sagittal, frontal. | ||
| Where'd you learn all this stuff? | ||
| Got an NASM. You know, National Academy of Sports Medicine? | ||
| Because I wanted to, you know, it's a freaking piece of paper. | ||
| It took me six months to get. | ||
| But I wanted to have a piece of paper to back up. | ||
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Certified. | |
| Right. | ||
| And that was the closest thing that I found to what I was putting out. | ||
| And it was pretty spot on, only mine's way cooler. | ||
| You know, it's not like the lame thing. | ||
| You know, health club version. | ||
| Got it, right. | ||
| More tactical and practical. | ||
| Right, yep. | ||
| So the class would basically just encompass what's in the book in a one day period. | ||
| And now it's more like tangible because people aren't touching it, feeling it, seeing it, you know, these certain exercises versus seeing a picture of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But there's a lot of good information in that book, and then I supplement both my YouTube channel and the IG with all these other little snippets. | ||
| Man, I put out a lot of information. | ||
| I mean, a lot. | ||
| So... | ||
| People won't get bored because I don't want people to get bored with their workouts. | ||
| All I'm doing is teaching them how to cook and then showing them ingredients. | ||
| And now go cook your own meal. | ||
| Here's some other recipes. | ||
| Throw these ingredients into your pot. | ||
| So that's what I do with the social media platform is I supplement that with whatever. | ||
| I'll come up with some dumbass name for some movement that I'm doing. | ||
| But they're good, functional, safe Low impact movements that encourage self-preservation longevity and fitness and not brokenness. | ||
| Too many, oh my God. | ||
| Too many guys, especially older guys, doing herky-jerky stuff and getting hurt in the gym. | ||
| Especially when they take a long time off and they forget that their body's 56 and not 26. Yeah, super common. | ||
| So if people go to your, is it combatstrengthtraining.com, is that what it's called? | ||
| For the CST, but that's not for my courses. | ||
| My tactical stuff is T-Max Inc. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Is there a link to that from there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| T-Max is my, that's who I am. | ||
| So T-Max Inc. | ||
| And then from there, there's all of the... | ||
| Discover Performance. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yep. | ||
| Handsome bastard. | ||
| Nice jacket too. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| So this is all like, it's got a lot of your videos up there. | ||
| It shows you what you're doing. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And it's got all the courses and it's got a... | ||
| Badass store, too, man. | ||
| I got some booty on that store. | ||
| Oh, tools. | ||
| Ooh, get you some. | ||
| So when you're putting all these different workouts together, how much do they change? | ||
| If someone goes to your website and wants to follow your courses? | ||
| Right. | ||
| The physical stuff? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, the core workout doesn't change that much. | ||
| The movements do. | ||
| So I break the work week down into a, like Monday, for instance, power day. | ||
| Then strength day. | ||
| Speed and quickness. | ||
| Hypertrophy. | ||
| Skills. | ||
| And then there's a couple, because people don't have five days. | ||
| You could lump, for instance, speed and power. | ||
| You could lump strength and hypertrophy. | ||
| So the gist stays the same. | ||
| Power day. | ||
| Work in anaerobic chunks. | ||
| In circuit to near metabolic threshold to meet anaerobic goal. | ||
| Pick you five good power exercises. | ||
| Make sure that two of them are in a transverse plane. | ||
| And if they got the book, that could sustain them for just with that for, let's say, I don't know, whatever, months without getting bored. | ||
| But They definitely want to go to some of the stuff that I put on the interwebs to help sustain and keep the ideas fresh. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because we don't want to fall into that, once again, that rut of complacent adaptation. | ||
| We're doing the same shit over and over and over, day by day, and too many guys do that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not healthy. | ||
| I noticed you incorporate a lot of martial arts stuff, too. | ||
| You were doing some arm drags the other day. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| You just do this for practical applications in a street fight scenario? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm a big fan of different... | ||
| Different fight. | ||
| And you're doing all this stuff. | ||
| You do it with shoes on because this is how you're going to be in real life. | ||
| Yeah, most of the time. | ||
| I mean, I don't go into our fight room with shoes on because it's got mats in there. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| So, you know, when we grapple and even work bags, I'm barefooted. | ||
| But usually, there's a lot of times I'm working out in these with a gun on, too. | ||
| It's just appendix carry under my T-shirt. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just so that you keep it unloaded? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Just so you know where it's... | ||
| Because it impedes your movement a little bit? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Just to make sure that it doesn't impede my movement. | ||
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| But just to know where it's at. | ||
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Right. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So there's a place where you can keep it where you can move just as well. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so this dude that you're working with, he's a wrestler... | ||
| Yeah, he's good, man. | ||
| Randy's good. | ||
| And what is he working with you on? | ||
| You're just working on... | ||
| We're not the sharpest right here, because this was after a power workout. | ||
| We're smoked, right? | ||
| We're smoked. | ||
| And all we're doing here is just control. | ||
| Just stand up for control, you know? | ||
| And I used to be a good wrestler, but my game is off. | ||
| But that was decades and decades ago. | ||
| So, Randy's getting in. | ||
| He's training for a competition. | ||
| A jiu-jitsu competition? | ||
| I think it's kind of a mixed wrestling, jiu-jitsu competition. | ||
| I think he's doing the wrestling. | ||
| I'm pretty sure. | ||
| So, I said, hey, bro, let's start mixing it up. | ||
| I want to get back into wrestling. | ||
| You know rolling some more because I'm bigger here so it'll be good for him because I'm bigger and stronger than he is so and then it'll be good for me too. | ||
| I used to do a lot of fight training especially a boxing and kickboxing a little tentative on getting punched in the face anymore. | ||
| Yeah, not good for your head. | ||
| I have degenerative spine. | ||
| What's wrong with your neck? | ||
| Degenerative spine. | ||
| Degenerative disc disease, right? | ||
| That's very controversial, you know. | ||
| A lot of people say that it's a disease, but then I talk to a physiologist and they say, well, what it is is pressure on your discs because you're lifting a lot of weights or you're involved in something that presses down on you and then your discs degenerate. | ||
| It's not like a disease is causing your discs to go away. | ||
| That disease... | ||
| Air quotes. | ||
| Almost always happens in people that are involved with very strenuous physical exercise. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so there's different ways that you can kind of mitigate some of that stuff. | ||
| Do you ever do spinal decompression? | ||
| No, I haven't done that one. | ||
| Man, there's a harness that you could buy on Amazon. | ||
| It's like 39 bucks. | ||
| You hang from a door. | ||
| And you pull that click, click, click, click, click, and it stretches. | ||
| Sometimes just that alone will give you a lot of relief. | ||
| I do have an inversion table, and that's freaking, I love that. | ||
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Those are great. | |
| I have one of those too. | ||
| Yeah, those are great. | ||
| And then there's another machine called the Reverse Hyper that's fantastic for your lower back. | ||
| I'll show it to you outside. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| We have one in the gym area. | ||
| But that also actively decompresses and then strengthens all those muscles around your back as well. | ||
| But the stuff with the neck, too, there's a bunch of different things you could do. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if you do any neck exercises. | ||
| Do you fuck with anything? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| At least once a week. | ||
| And I've got to, yeah, I always tell guys, you've got to work your neck, man. | ||
| It supports the command center. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| Now, you said it's disc degeneration, so you don't want to get choked? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| You don't want to get your neck manipulated? | ||
| Yeah, because like my distal phalanges, there's numbness there. | ||
| Okay, yeah. | ||
| And, you know, like sleeping, I have to sleep like a corpse. | ||
| So there's no rolling or anything. | ||
| Just straight corpse. | ||
| So the numbness indicates there's something pressing on your... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That decompression device will help you a lot. | ||
| I gotta try it. | ||
| It's cheap, too. | ||
| Like I said, it's like $30 or $39 or something like that. | ||
| But that sucker, man. | ||
| I get in that thing and click, click, click, click, click. | ||
| It's like I'm hanging a little bit. | ||
| It feels good. | ||
| It just alleviates tension. | ||
| If you could do that every day for a few minutes, you know, that, the inversion table, all those things, you can keep all that stuff healthy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it feels good. | ||
| I just don't want to get punched in the face anymore. | ||
| I've been punched in the face a lot. | ||
| I hear you, man. | ||
| I'm not into it either. | ||
| It's just the brain is not designed to get hit. | ||
| One of the things that I do like about jiu-jitsu more than anything is that you can go hard and you're not hitting each other. | ||
| There's a big difference. | ||
| You can get a full 100% exertion exercise workout in without risk of hurting each other. | ||
| Especially if you go with a good guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The guys I work with, their fight is way better than mine. | ||
| So they know how to train. | ||
| They're not going to jet. | ||
| It's so important. | ||
| I've been doing fight stuff for a long, long time. | ||
| And I've been fortunate that there's always somebody better looking out for me and say, hey, let's work this or work that or just tweaking, just making those tweaks. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you. | ||
| Do you do any ground training? | ||
| Do you do any jiu-jitsu or anything like that? | ||
| Not enough. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And like I said, my coaches are really good, but I don't do enough of it. | ||
| How come? | ||
| I don't have a good reason. | ||
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| Yeah, and I just said that to him. | ||
| I just said, hey guys, I have to do more. | ||
| I gotta do more ground stuff. | ||
| They're like, right on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, get in there, man. | ||
| It's humbling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People like to avoid it. | ||
| We do, you know, I mean, I do it, but... | ||
| But not enough. | ||
| I'm very comfortable on my feet. | ||
| My level of confidence on being able to punch somebody's mouth loose without them Even knowing what happened is pretty... | ||
| I'm pretty confident there. | ||
| With the likelihood of who I'm going to tussle with. | ||
| That's the thing though, right? | ||
| Plus, I have moxie. | ||
| I got a lot of attitude. | ||
| And that goes a long way. | ||
| Having that kutzpah, that attitude. | ||
| Sometimes it's equally important to have that. | ||
| I have a thing in my head that says I can beat anybody at anything. | ||
| It doesn't have to be true, but that's what I hear in my head. | ||
| The problem with that is when it's obvious that that's not true, then you're like, fuck! | ||
| Now what? | ||
| And then you get experience. | ||
| Experience is something you get shortly after you need it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| It's interesting that you combine those things, though, that you have this gym where there's all this martial arts stuff and then the tactical stuff. | ||
| What do you do to chill out? | ||
| Because it seems like everything is fucking go, go, go, go, go. | ||
| Everything is lifting weights and shooting and pulling ropes and shooting and arm dragging and shooting. | ||
| What do you do to calm yourself? | ||
| I am hobby heavy. | ||
| Hobby heavy. | ||
| Well, you show me your drawing. | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| Very talented. | ||
| So I draw. | ||
| I bird watch. | ||
| Bird watch? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I've been a bird watcher since I was 10 years old. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Golf. | ||
| I go down this list. | ||
| Guitar, drums, cook. | ||
| Let me see here. | ||
| I got so many freaking hobbies, it's ridiculous. | ||
| But the good thing about most of them is I could go to them and it doesn't take me a lot of time or energy to invest in it. | ||
| I'm a big time fisherman, outdoorsman, woodsman type of thing. | ||
| I love that stuff. | ||
| I get into the Rocky Mountains at least once a year and do, like, privation training, you know, just on my own. | ||
| So, like, what do you do when you do that? | ||
| Like, just camp out there and live off the land for a few days? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Try to sustain, you know, with what I have and what's available to me. | ||
| You do that once a year? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it also includes orienteering. | ||
| So, you know, one over 24,000 scale topographical map. | ||
| And so orienteering. | ||
| And these are wilderness areas, not like national parks or forests. | ||
| And then try to hunt a killer, eat it, you know, along the way. | ||
| I carry enough food so I'm not going to be miserable. | ||
| So I'm not going to suffer. | ||
| How many days do you do when you're out there? | ||
| Well, now that I'm retired, not four to five anymore. | ||
| You bring a rucksack or something like that? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So I pack in whatever I need. | ||
| And packing a ruck is a real... | ||
| It's artwork, man. | ||
| Even if you've been in the military forever, you just never, ever get that down to a perfect science. | ||
| Right, especially your weight. | ||
| Yeah, because you've got weight, you've got terrain, you've got the situation may dictate to strip this and add that, and then where are you going to put it, and Do you bring satellite phone or anything when you do it? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I bring one of those. | ||
| Mark, you don't want to roll an ankle out there. | ||
| Well, plus, I usually go to Montana like Bob Marshall, so that's the highest concentration of Grizzlies. | ||
| So you're not on the top of the food chain, man. | ||
| There's some big hungries out there. | ||
| That's a fucking scary spot. | ||
| Well, it's always usually pretty good unless you run into a female with her cubs. | ||
| That's when it gets super sketchy. | ||
| I just wrote about that. | ||
| I write for Ballistic magazine and Combat Handguns. | ||
| And I just wrote an article about that, in Ballistic, about what should be in your personal survival kit. | ||
| Let's say you go on a day fishing trip in Alaska. | ||
| What do you have in that thing? | ||
| In the event that you need to go into contingency planning mode, that shit hits the fan. | ||
| You've got to have something on you instead of just your... | ||
| Your Orvis fly rod and a couple bead heads. | ||
| The big debate with hunters is should you bring bear spray or should you bring a pistol? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I bring both. | ||
| Yeah, smart. | ||
| Anytime bear country, I bring both. | ||
| I got them both on. | ||
| And I've talked to a lot of grizz hunters. | ||
| And I put that in that article, too. | ||
| It's like, guys, you know, I've done some research here. | ||
| But yeah, so I'll bring both. | ||
| Have you had any encounters when you're out there? | ||
| I've had almost every year. | ||
| Really? | ||
| The closest one, 15 yards. | ||
| Man. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| That was the first time ever up there, too. | ||
| And I'm smoked. | ||
| I'm at the end. | ||
| This is when I was doing... | ||
| I started doing these when I was active. | ||
| So bringing up unit guys. | ||
| And this one was 95 miles long. | ||
| We walked from... | ||
| A little spot on the map. | ||
| Oh, Columbia Falls, south of Columbia Falls, Montana, to Lincoln, the home of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's where he lived? | ||
| Yeah, so walk this stretch, and it's 95 miles, right, north to south. | ||
| And you've got to cross like three different mountain passes, and it's a smoker. | ||
| So I think it was the fifth day, because we had one more R-O-N, one more rest overnight. | ||
| And on the fifth day, we would walk like lines adrift and stuff like that, you know. | ||
| And whenever I couldn't see 25 yards up ahead of me, I would clap my hands, make some racket, coming through! | ||
| You know, that kind of thing. | ||
| Because grids want nothing to do with you. | ||
| You get in between their young, their food source, or you startle them. | ||
| That's when you run into trouble. | ||
| So I did not want to start. | ||
| And here I am. | ||
| And I've got six guys with me, but they're lagging behind. | ||
| And I, you know, coming through and I look up ahead and this gigantic male stands up. | ||
| And the only thing that I could see, my only reaction was, whoa! | ||
| I mean, I was just blown away. | ||
| Just think, 15 yards is less distance than you flew when you crashed into the deer. | ||
| Right, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You flew in the air. | ||
| So you could fly in the air and pass that bear five yards. | ||
| That's right, yep. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He took off. | ||
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Boom. | |
| He was gone. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Lucky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because, I mean, that's a lot. | ||
| That's a lot of animal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I tell you, when you're standing, like, in the woods, in the wild, 15 yards, 15, 15 yards. | ||
| And when that thing stood up, that's all I could... | ||
| I mean, I had a gun and bear spray on them. | ||
| I went for neither of them. | ||
| All I could think of was, whoa! | ||
| And then when he took off, my next thought was, where's my camera? | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Well, that's nature's cleanup crew right there. | ||
| Anything that limps, falls down, fucks up, that's what it's there for. | ||
| That's why there's a thousand pounds of them. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Impressive. | ||
| It's a majestic animal. | ||
| You see one in the wild, you realize, wow, nature has a system. | ||
| They know what they're doing. | ||
| When they want to get rid of a moose, they send one of these motherfuckers in there. | ||
| I mean, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when you're doing these things, are you keeping a journal when you're doing these trips while you're by yourself? | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| I usually don't go by myself. | ||
| I usually have strap hangers, and they're different every year. | ||
| And a lot of times, it's just like this. | ||
| You know, a couple guys talk and say, oh man, I'd like to do that with you. | ||
| So just send me an email, and I'll send you the dates. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Because one is securities and numbers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Especially in Grizz country. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Plus, I like teaching stuff, so I'll have guys who I can teach like orienteering and, you know, field craft, you know, making a fire with sticks and that kind of thing. | ||
| The right way to maybe to prep and cook a trout, you know, Do you bring a rod with you? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| One of them small breakdown rods? | ||
| Yep, I'll bring two of them. | ||
| I'll bring a telescoping tencora and a four-piece, like a five-weight Orvis. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that's a fly rod then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| For me, that's sustenance because I'm not taking a lot of food. | ||
| Plus, I want to fish. | ||
| I want it to be time off. | ||
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| And I want to chill. | ||
| I don't want to just work my ass off when I'm on these. | ||
| So I'm out there ripping lips, but I'm eating two of them in the morning and two at night. | ||
| And then it's a lot of fun. | ||
| I've been doing these things now since 98, I think. | ||
| That's a great way to decompress too, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The places I go, one of them, I will lose cell phone coverage an hour before I hit the end of the dirt road. | ||
| And then you stop the car, you're at the end of the road, now you're already in, you're just at the edge of the wilderness area, deep into a national forest. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then into the wilderness for, you know, however many days and miles. | ||
| You run into other folks when you're out there? | ||
| Very rarely. | ||
| The best, you know, I loved walking like on the 95 mile one and seeing nobody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, these places are remote. | ||
| The Frank Church in Idaho. | ||
| Yes, Idaho, yeah. | ||
| I'd walk the Wind River in Wyoming. | ||
| The Frank Church, I walked from the town of Salmon to McCall. | ||
| That one smoked me. | ||
| How far is that? | ||
| On a scale of things, as a crow flies, it's not that far. | ||
| I think it's 60 miles or something, but it's straight up, straight down. | ||
| Straight down, yeah. | ||
| It's the most horrific and just terrifying terrain. | ||
| I mean, especially if you're, you know, If your objective is to move from point A to point B and not just an out and back, let me see how far I can go. | ||
| No, when you got somebody picking you up at point B and you have to be there, oh man, it is a freaking smoker. | ||
| Yeah, I've never been to the Frank Church, but my friend Ryan Callahan was living up there for a long time. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| He says it's amazing up there. | ||
| It's also so remote, but yet it's so close to Boise. | ||
| It's not that far. | ||
| Yeah, the grand scale things, it's not that far. | ||
| But when you have these wilderness areas, like, I don't know, let's say it's 500 million square acres or whatever it is, that's also encompassed By national parks and stuff. | ||
| And, you know, national parks will have dirt roads in them, and they'll have little scatterings of population here and there. | ||
| But those wilderness areas, there's nothing in those. | ||
| Yeah, just animals. | ||
| Yeah, there's no dirt roads. | ||
| And it's such a complete ecosystem, too. | ||
| I mean, they have everything from wolves to grizzlies to mule deer to elk. | ||
| It's all living up in there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they are cool. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I love doing those, too, because you have to think, there is an element of danger here that can kill me. | ||
| And it's not just a big hungry. | ||
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You could get cut and die out there. | |
| Because nobody's coming to get you. | ||
| Even if you got that beacon, you know, Forest Service and stuff, they're probably busy servicing, you know, Grandma broke a leg trying to take a picture of a bison in this national park. | ||
| Coming into that wilderness area, you know, there's no HLZs there and stuff like that. | ||
| So, man, I love that element of danger, especially since I retired. | ||
| You know, I want to be cold, tired, hungry, and maybe a little scared. | ||
| And I want that several times a year. | ||
| Because, you know, it's primal. | ||
| And I think most guys need that. | ||
| Guys need that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I think so, too. | ||
| Dude, you're living a fun life, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I enjoy following it. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
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| I appreciate you coming on, man. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| Dude, thank you. | ||
| So, tell people one more time your websites. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My website is tmaxinc.com. | ||
| T-M-A-C-S-I-N-C. tmaxinc.com. | ||
| And the other one is combatsportstraining.com. | ||
| Combat Strength Training. | ||
| Combat Strength Training. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then I got my IG is at tmaxinc.com. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| And then my YouTube channel is just Pat Mac. | ||
| Pat Mac YouTube. | ||
| A lot of information. | ||
| Good times, my friend. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Rock and roll. | ||
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Thank you, Joe. | |
| Thanks for coming on. | ||
| Hell yeah, man. | ||
| Thank you. |
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