March 7, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| We just don't crash as much. | ||
| You don't think that's the issue? | ||
| Four, three, two... | ||
| This time we're live. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, we are live with the great and powerful Russell Peters. | ||
| Hi! | ||
| And one of the baddest motherfuckers to ever get into the ring, Lennox Lewis. | ||
| Don't mess with the best. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| You're walking around on this earth, one of the baddest motherfuckers of all time. | ||
| Verified. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Feel good about it, too. | ||
| It's gotta feel good. | ||
| Yeah, don't get in any fights. | ||
| But you know what else? | ||
| You have your wits about you, 100%. | ||
| You're smooth and relaxed. | ||
| You know, how did you do that? | ||
| Oh, I started out that way. | ||
| It's like, you know, apple don't fall too far from the tree type of thing. | ||
| I've always been that way, collective thinker, soft-spoken, and what you don't know about me, what you don't know about me, when you do know about me, you love me even more. | ||
| Do you exercise at all anymore, boxing-wise? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Do you hit the bag? | ||
| Well, not hit the bag. | ||
| I'm more into working out with the weights. | ||
| It was hard for me when I retired. | ||
| That was the worst part. | ||
| What was the hardest? | ||
| Just, you know, saying, okay, you know, I'm eating more, so I need to exercise because I'm not doing no exercising. | ||
| But when I start exercising, I'm training for a fight. | ||
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Right. | |
| So it's like, okay, training, training. | ||
| Why am I doing this? | ||
| I'm not going to fight, but I'm still training for a fight. | ||
| So mentally, I had to say to myself, well, let me try the soft things, you know, let me play tennis and all these different sports, which I can play. | ||
| And that kind of helped me a lot better. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, that is an interesting thing with fighters. | ||
| A lot of times when they're done, they're done. | ||
| Look at Maidana. | ||
| Yeah, well, he's apparently gotten back into shape again. | ||
| He's back in training camp, but Maidana got big. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because he probably got on Instagram and people started talking shit because he's kind of fat on his Instagram. | ||
| That's what made me want to lose weight. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| People talking shit? | ||
| People were like, holy fuck, did you eat your whole cast? | ||
| You do look like you're losing weight, though. | ||
| You look pretty slim, my friend. | ||
| I lost 21 pounds with our dear friend, John Jack Machado. | ||
| Well, hey, jiu-jitsu will peel that weight off you. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
| That's some strenuous shit. | ||
| You ever thought about doing jiu-jitsu, Lennox? | ||
| He's scared of me. | ||
| He won't do it. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| let me tell you when i was growing up i had i had friends that did wrestling had friends that did kickboxing all these different um uh mediums and um you know we would always practice with them whether it's wrestling whether it's uh kicking whether it's um doing whatever play fighting you did all that stuff yeah yeah because everybody always wanted | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They always fare financially better. | ||
| So, you know, for me, I didn't really throw my weight around like that. | ||
| You know, it's like, don't mess with me. | ||
| Okay, if you mess with me, something's going to happen. | ||
| And then they don't really mess with me. | ||
| I kind of carry myself like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I'm so serious at sometimes, like, you know, they can sense the seriousness of it. | ||
| Serious, but still easy going. | ||
| So there's no reason to push you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm silent, but violent. | ||
| Ooh, I like that. | ||
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Silent, silent, but violent. | |
| It is an interesting thing, though, about fighters is that when you think of exercise, you think of exercise as you're preparing for a big, violent event. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whereas for most people, they just don't want to be fat, they want to look good, they want to get in shape. | ||
| And, you know, it's a lot of people on Instagram that are just working out really hard every day, but there's no reason. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You had a reason. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when the reason's gone, it's like, hmm. | ||
| Now what? | ||
| How do I maintain this shape without maintaining that lifestyle? | ||
| You think of another reason. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, like you. | ||
| You look good, by the way. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| He does look good. | ||
| Lennox has seen me since I was 147 pounds. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You were 147 pounds at one point, Dan? | ||
| When I first started boxing, I was 147. How old were you? | ||
| 15. Oh, okay. | ||
| I met him probably when I was 16. Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You guys have known each other that long? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know his parents. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And his mom and his brothers. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| We go back. | ||
| We're deep. | ||
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That's crazy. | |
| A lot of people don't realize that. | ||
| It was like, you know, I see him as a big star now. | ||
| I've seen him in movies and commercials, rescuing people. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I'm like, yo, this is the kid. | ||
| You know, he's grown up. | ||
| I literally used to sell him mixtapes in the 90s. | ||
| He was already world champ, and I'd be playing a mixtape. | ||
| He'd be like, yo, sell me that. | ||
| And I'm like, I just made it. | ||
| He's like, I'll give you 20 bucks. | ||
| I'm like, you just made $100 million. | ||
| Can't you give me 100 bucks? | ||
| Yeah, well, you know, everybody was making tapes back then. | ||
| Yeah, you remember those days where people were aggressively trying to sell tapes on the streets? | ||
| Yeah, I wasn't even trying to sell it. | ||
| I was just playing it in my car, and he was like, yo, sell me that. | ||
| No, he had the new shit going on. | ||
| You know, he had the real shit, so I had to get it. | ||
| I didn't have that contact to get the music, so he had the music contact. | ||
| A lot of people don't know, Russell's a legit DJ. I reluctantly gave him those mixtapes. | ||
| Reluctantly. | ||
| Yeah, it's a good move. | ||
| When you see him wrestling with people on TMZ, you see that shit? | ||
| Wrestling with the jewel thief? | ||
| I was trying to see what happened after. | ||
| He didn't throw no punches, though. | ||
| I was coaching. | ||
| I was yelling, get his neck! | ||
| Get his fucking neck! | ||
| If you watch it, you see I went for his arm to pull down to get his neck, and then the other guy in front of him pulled him down and I couldn't get the neck. | ||
| Could you tell us what happened? | ||
| I mean, all I seen was a guy walking out and you grabbed him. | ||
| No, if you watch it, there it is. | ||
| Here we go, here we go. | ||
| Okay, so here's what happens. | ||
| Let me tell you what happens. | ||
| I'm there looking at a ring, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that guy's sitting down. | ||
| Earlier had checked to see if the door was open. | ||
| He went out to spit, and now he thinks the door's open, so now he thinks he's just going to get up and walk away with this ring. | ||
| This is where he makes his little move. | ||
| And then they lock the doors, and then I'm standing there, and I'm like, what's going on? | ||
| And I'm like, he takes a swing at my friend's father, and then I go, no, no, I try to get his neck, and that guy pulls him, you see? | ||
| There's a lot of opportunities to get the neck there, son. | ||
| No, but I'm trying. | ||
| He's a big, strong fucking guy, too. | ||
| No, you gotta go over the top. | ||
| I was trying, but I had three layers on. | ||
| I had a jacket, a sweatshirt, and a long-sleeved shirt on me. | ||
| That is an issue. | ||
| And then, so then I try to go for the arm, but everybody sees everybody's in my way, so I'm like, give me the arm, just let me get the arm, move, dad, move, dad. | ||
| Amazing, there you go. | ||
| Who's the guy in the big chain? | ||
| Who's the guy in the big chain? | ||
| That's Uncle David. | ||
| Who's the guy with the backward baseball hat? | ||
| Now I'm pushing the arm down, and you'll see I lock the wrist here. | ||
| As soon as I lock the arm, he says, okay. | ||
| He stops moving right there. | ||
| He goes, okay, okay, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I got the wrist. | ||
| You see the wrist pop? | ||
| Yeah, a little wrist lock, little Steven Seagal style. | ||
| That was my Fredson Paishal lock. | ||
| Oh, there you go. | ||
| Wrist locks are legit. | ||
| He got up again? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| This is just a different angle. | ||
| Oh, different angle. | ||
| I want to know how far we was going to make with a ring. | ||
| You see that wall where my cousin is hiding? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When he was trying to get out, he whacked his head against that wall. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And he cut his ear open. | ||
| The thief? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So whatever happened to him? | ||
| He got arrested. | ||
| Where was this? | ||
| In Toronto? | ||
| No, in New York City. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Right in the Jewelry District. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow, you're a hero. | ||
| What an ill-planned out move. | ||
| You don't think that they know that people grab things and run away? | ||
| Well, there's that. | ||
| And apparently this guy had been coming to the store for six months scoping the place out. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| He scoped it out poorly. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, just silly. | ||
| Do you have to go to court or anything with that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I haven't heard anything since. | ||
| Do you worry about that? | ||
| All I was trying to do was hold him there because all the doors were locked. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| It doesn't make sense to get into a scrap with the guy. | ||
| If I could just put him in a chokehold or a lock, then until the cops come. | ||
| But the thing is, you could injure him. | ||
| If you injure him, then they sue you. | ||
| Believe it or not. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, as ridiculous as it sounds. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| Well, Russell's not really a law enforcement officer. | ||
| I know, but it would have been dangerous to everybody in the store if he was running wild. | ||
| True. | ||
| I mean, look, he's lucky you didn't crack him. | ||
| I just locked him up, and I said, alright. | ||
| As soon as I locked him up, he goes, okay. | ||
| And I go, okay, good. | ||
| And then he had one knee down and one leg up. | ||
| And I kicked that leg out so he'd be on both knees. | ||
| Get rid of his base. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I was trying to move his base. | ||
| Move the base. | ||
| Okay, I got a question. | ||
| Now, if the whole thing happened again, how would you do things different? | ||
| I would have told everybody to get out of my way so I can get him in a choke and hold him. | ||
| Would you just put him to sleep? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just put him to sleep, lay him down. | ||
| Yeah, lay him down, tuck him in. | ||
| You went back home and obviously you feel good about yourself. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Did you kind of run the whole thing through your mind a couple times? | ||
| Like, yo, this could have happened or what could happen in this situation? | ||
| No, I started thinking after if he had a gun or if he had a knife. | ||
| But I'm like, if he had a gun, he would have pulled it out right away. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, he's not here to surprise you with a gun. | ||
| He's here to scare you with a gun. | ||
| Well, if there's that many dudes on him, too, good luck pulling that gun out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One of us would have got shot, but probably in the foot or something. | ||
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Probably not. | |
| You probably got real urgent if you saw him reaching for something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It would have changed. | ||
| Yeah, I think knees to the head would have kicked. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I watch a lot of karate movies. | ||
| There's different things you could do. | ||
| Do you ever want to practice karate? | ||
| Do you ever want to do something different? | ||
| That's why I was asking you about jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Because when you're a world heavyweight champion boxer, after a while you're like, what other shit can I learn? | ||
| I kept arm-locking him when we were in England. | ||
| I kept hugging him and putting him in an arm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, great Bruce Lee fan. | ||
| I love fighting movies. | ||
| And, you know, martial arts has always been a part of my life. | ||
| And I say that because every fight I fought, before I fought that fight, I watched a martial art movie. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Like Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, that kind of shit. | ||
| Jackie Chan. | ||
| Five deadly venomous. | ||
| Oh, the real shit. | ||
| Yeah, so, you know, those kind of movies. | ||
| Carter Wong type stuff, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I like that. | ||
| And that just got me in that mental state, like, you know. | ||
| Do you watch MMA today? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you ever watch it and go, if this was around when I was fighting, would I do this? | ||
| Um... | ||
| The only thing I think about that, because, you know, like I said, I was in the wrestling, I did wrestling when I was younger, and boxing as well, so I didn't know they could combine them two until I got older, but, you know, my focus was more on boxing. | ||
| But, you know, if they get paid a lot of money, I probably would have done it. | ||
| Yeah, that's how a lot of people feel, I think. | ||
| Right now, the money's not quite there. | ||
| For some people, like Conor McGregor or Ronda Rousey, but for the other folks, it's not enough to get a guy like Earl Spence to jump over. | ||
| I've seen some boxers actually good at boxing actually just win the fight on boxing because they're so good with their hands. | ||
| But your stance has to be different. | ||
| You can't have your lead leg out in MMA. That's the problem. | ||
| Well, you can't stand it sideways, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've got to square up. | ||
| Your leg will get lit up. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I stand sideways, even in the fight, because I know that I stick that leg out there for them to come at. | ||
| And obviously, you know, it's easy to grab a leg, but... | ||
| To me, I don't think fighting should start that way anyway. | ||
| When you start fighting, usually punches are thrown quick and it lasts a couple seconds. | ||
| Nobody really just goes for your legs unless they say, okay, I'm going to go for his legs and take him down. | ||
| Nobody in the MMA, they kick your leg. | ||
| Yeah, they kick your leg. | ||
| Tell you you can't walk. | ||
| The leg kicks are brutal. | ||
| You ever been leg kicked? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's rough. | ||
| A guy hit me in the leg one time and I was like, I couldn't move. | ||
| And I'm like thinking, if we got in a fight, kicked me in the leg and they gave me a dead leg like this, I don't know what I would do, so... | ||
| Yeah, and if it's a guy like your size, like a Rico Verhoeven, who's a glory world heavyweight kickboxing champion, they just keep their hands up and chew your legs up. | ||
| One or two shots of your legs, and it's a horrible feeling. | ||
| It doesn't move right. | ||
| It just gives out on you. | ||
| And they hit you right on the side of your knee. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| You know what he used to do? | ||
| You guys look like you've accepted that. | ||
| I go mad when someone kicks me in my leg and it's like, yo, you kick me in my leg. | ||
| I don't think anybody's kicking you in your leg anymore. | ||
| Did you ever see when Shannon the Cannon tried some kickboxing? | ||
| No. | ||
| Shannon Briggs fought Tom Erickson. | ||
| Oh, he got the ship beat at him, didn't he? | ||
| No, no, he fucked him up. | ||
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Really? | |
| Shannon got leg kicked, though, and he said, you know, Shannon talks, he's hilarious. | ||
| He goes, champ, he goes, it hurts so bad, but I tried to play it off, champ. | ||
| He got hit with one leg kick and then he got hit with another one. | ||
| But he touched him with like a jab to the body and Tom Erickson got a little cocky. | ||
| Here it is right here. | ||
| He fought when he was in like this transitionary period and they offered him a lot of money. | ||
| Like right there he got leg kicked by this guy. | ||
| And the guy Tom Erickson that he fought is really more of a wrestler. | ||
| He kicked him twice and then Shannon, he actually broke it down for us on the podcast but he said his leg was hurting so bad And he tried to goad the guy into thinking that he could punch with him. | ||
| See, he got hit again. | ||
| He's like, oh Jesus. | ||
| He's letting him hit. | ||
| I would knock that guy out. | ||
| Yeah, but you'd think you would just let him do that. | ||
| But once you get hit with one of those things like that, it's so crippling to your leg. | ||
| You don't move right. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| Because like I said, I got hit there and I was like, my leg couldn't move. | ||
| The thing is that Erickson's fucked up. | ||
| You put Shannon to sleep, didn't you? | ||
| Yeah, it was a great fight too. | ||
| Erickson tried to box with him for some strange reason. | ||
| He got into this crazy idea, like right there, boom, he got clipped. | ||
| Good night. | ||
| Yeah, and that's it. | ||
| He's got the one... | ||
| Chill, champ, chill. | ||
| Was that kickboxing? | ||
| Yes, kickboxing. | ||
| Because they're wearing gloves. | ||
| And no shoes. | ||
| Boxing gloves, no shoes. | ||
| Isn't Shannon Briggs supposed to at least kick a couple times? | ||
| Well, you know, if he knew how to, but I think he went into there thinking, you know, I'll just crack him with a punch and knock him out, which he did. | ||
| You know, he ate a couple of leg kicks. | ||
| But it's hilarious when you hear him break it down. | ||
| How old are you now? | ||
| Who, me? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm under 100. Under 100? | ||
| Yeah, under 100. But you can't be any more than like, what are you, 45, 47? | ||
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How old are you? | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Are you older than that? | ||
| 50? | ||
| You don't want to say? | ||
| You're a great guy. | ||
| You don't want to say how old you are? | ||
| People have internet out there, so they'll just look it up. | ||
| How old is he? | ||
| 53? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You look great. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You do, right? | ||
| Doesn't he? | ||
| He's always looked good. | ||
| But when you were, like, you were one of those guys who did the smart, you retired and you just retired. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, which I respect so much. | ||
| We were just talking about Marvin Haggard the other day. | ||
| Same man. | ||
| When Marvin Haggard retired, he's like, goodnight. | ||
| Take care, everybody. | ||
| Lost a controversial decision to Sugar Ray Leonard. | ||
| He said, take care, I'm going to go do some movies. | ||
| And that was it. | ||
| He just never came back. | ||
| It is so rare that a fighter does that. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| Marvin was disheartened like a motherfucker with boxing, though. | ||
| He hated it. | ||
| He was like, I'm out. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, boxers go through so much. | ||
| And it's like when they know when it's time. | ||
| When a boxer says it's time to quit... | ||
| They know it's time because they've gone through so much and they realize that it's a lot of hard work. | ||
| For me, I've been boxing since I've been 15. So, you know, in training, hundreds of hours training, hundreds of hours working out, resting, working on technique, sparring, all these different things. | ||
| After a while, you know, you have to reach that height where you say, okay, that's enough. | ||
| And sometimes, you know, people... | ||
| Managers and trainers and promoters, they don't want to tell the boxer that's enough because that's how much they're making money off of that boxer every time he steps in the ring. | ||
| Did you have a conversation with Emmanuel Stewart about it? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Who made the decision? | ||
| Did you guys make it together? | ||
| I made the decision. | ||
| He wanted me actually to go on. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, because Tyson was my main nemesis. | ||
| He's a boxer that I definitely wanted to fight before retiring. | ||
| And I didn't know if it was going to happen or not. | ||
| So I actually stuck around for a couple more years for that fight to happen because I didn't want, throughout history, people would be saying, oh, Tyson would have won or Lewis would have won. | ||
| I wanted them to know who would have won. | ||
| And then after the Tyson fight, Manny said, listen, Klisco's are around. | ||
| That's the new generation. | ||
| You can beat the guys from this generation and the guys from the next generation. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, that sounds good. | ||
| So he kind of talked me into doing that fight because I wasn't really going to do that fight. | ||
| And then, you know, that was a year after Tyson, and I didn't really want to box him straight away. | ||
| I wanted to box somebody else because... | ||
| The main nemesis was Tyson. | ||
| Once I beat Tyson, I could relax a little bit. | ||
| I relaxed for a year. | ||
| And then getting back into boxing, I boxed. | ||
| Klitschko was my first fight, which was a mistake. | ||
| Took the fight 17 days notice. | ||
| At my worst, I beat him at his best. | ||
| Why was it such a short notice fight? | ||
| Because the opponent that I actually picked to fight didn't want to fight me. | ||
| He actually said no. | ||
| Who was that supposed to be? | ||
| Johnson from... | ||
| Oh yeah, Kirk Johnson from Nova Scotia. | ||
| You were doing him a favor. | ||
| I think Klitschko felt that he was doing him a favor. | ||
| Listen, let me take the fight. | ||
| I've been training for two years for this guy. | ||
| I'm ready. | ||
| And then we'll give you the first shot after I win. | ||
| That's what was promised to him. | ||
| Vitaly had such a weird style, didn't he? | ||
| Yeah, he did. | ||
| And that's that kickboxing style coming into play a little bit because he would throw a punch and lean back like this. | ||
| And that's the first time I've actually seen that style. | ||
| And, you know, if I didn't reach out with my right hand as far as I did, I would never have caught him with that cut. | ||
| And it was that long right hand that caught him just at the end of my punch when he leaned back and he couldn't lean back anymore that made his eye cut. | ||
| Yeah, he was a very strange fighter in terms of his style. | ||
| Just the way... | ||
| Hands were always down. | ||
| It was a very weird way of moving. | ||
| Very unorthodox. | ||
| Because he was such a big guy. | ||
| He was 6'7". | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was probably the biggest guy you fought, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Could take a hell of a shot, too. | ||
| You never fought Gonzales, did you? | ||
| Michael Grant was big. | ||
| Gonzales, I boxed in the Olympics. | ||
| Jorge Luis Gonzales? | ||
| That was his name, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cuban guy? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There you are. | ||
| Look how weird the way he fights is. | ||
| Just such an awkward way of moving. | ||
| He hit me good with the right hand. | ||
| You see me holding him around the neck? | ||
| I learned that from Muhammad Ali. | ||
| He said, if you hold a guy around the neck, you can tell when he's going to move. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But he was good in the first few rounds. | ||
| After the first three rounds, what people don't realize about this fight, I wasn't fighting for 12 rounds. | ||
| I was fighting to knock this guy out. | ||
| Because you had it in your mind. | ||
| Yeah, I had it in your mind. | ||
| This is the first time you ever see me going forward in the fight. | ||
| This guy's bigger than me. | ||
| I'm coming forward. | ||
| And I'm throwing punches. | ||
| He's catching me. | ||
| But those were the early rounds. | ||
| Although he's two inches taller than you, you look bigger than him. | ||
| He's a big fella. | ||
| Physically, physically. | ||
| Yeah, you're wider. | ||
| You know, when you look back on your career, do you have a most satisfying victory? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Asim Rahman. | ||
| I was going to say that. | ||
| I was going to say the rematch. | ||
| The first or the second? | ||
| The second one, motherfucker. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| You Wally. | ||
| When a guy beats you like that, and then you know you could have beaten him or you should have beaten him, is that what bothered you so much? | ||
| No, you know what really bothered me is the fact that I gave him an opportunity. | ||
| I gave him a fight when I'm basically waiting for Tyson and I have to keep busy. | ||
| I'm looking down the list of who to fight. | ||
| He's number seven. | ||
| I realize that he's durable. | ||
| He's not one of these guys that get knocked out easy. | ||
| So I wanted to give my fans a proper fight. | ||
| Box the best guy out there, not box the easy guy that's easy to get knocked out. | ||
| I don't want to go home in two rounds. | ||
| And then another reason, a lot of people don't know, I went to Africa to fight because Muhammad Ali went to Africa. | ||
| He fought in Africa. | ||
| So I wanted to do that. | ||
| I wanted to fight in Africa. | ||
| I say, I'm a world champion, so I need to fight all around the world. | ||
| So that's what made me go to Africa. | ||
| The only thing about Africa is I didn't know that it was such a high altitude up there. | ||
| And for me to have a fight, I should have got there a lot earlier, but I was doing Ocean's Eleven at that time. | ||
| People said, oh, you were doing a movie. | ||
| I wasn't doing no movie. | ||
| I was sitting around half the time, waiting for them to change the lights, then go out and go out there for two minutes, and then go back and sit there for another two hours while they change the lights. | ||
| Were you training at all while that was happening? | ||
| Yeah, I was training, but it wasn't the conditions of training. | ||
| I needed a bag. | ||
| I needed sparring partners. | ||
| I needed to be... | ||
| So you're just kind of exercising? | ||
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Yes. | |
| How many thousand feet was it above sea level? | ||
| Higher than Big Bear. | ||
| It was Cape Town, right? | ||
| So more than six? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow, I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah, it was kind of weird because when I start working out, I was like throwing punches. | ||
| Then I found myself going... | ||
| So I had to take two steps back, and I'm like, oh no, don't tell me this fight's going to be one of those fights where I have to take my time. | ||
| So I basically went out there taking my time. | ||
| I realized he's dealing with the same thing I'm dealing with, although he was there a lot earlier. | ||
| But, you know, I had a couple things going wrong, boxing at four in the morning. | ||
| They couldn't find a big enough ring. | ||
| Then when they put the ring together, it was like... | ||
| 18 by 19. And then, the punch that actually hit me, I actually thought I was going to block it, but it came around this side. | ||
| I put my hand up to block it, but it came around and hit me. | ||
| One of those things where a man threw a terrific punch, which my chin happened to be in the way of. | ||
| What is it like when that's over and you're sitting there and you know you lost, but you know that under the right circumstances this guy is not at your level? | ||
| In fact, you know, my problem was solved before I got out of the ring. | ||
| I knew what I did wrong, which was the greatest thing that ever happened to me. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| On another day, he wouldn't throw a lucky punch like that. | ||
| He wouldn't hit me. | ||
| And he wouldn't have a ref that, you know, was on his side as well. | ||
| How was the ref on his side? | ||
| When I say the ref's on his side, you know... | ||
| He called it a little early, I would say. | ||
| I got knocked down in the second round. | ||
| I'm the champion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| At least give me a chance. | ||
| Not wave the fight straight away. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| You know, you've seen the Deontay... | ||
| Tyson Fury fight. | ||
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Tyson Fury fight. | |
| Like, you know, if that was the ref, he would have counted him out straight away. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| Probably would have stopped it at the press conference. | ||
| That fucking 12th round, that right-left that Deontay landed, the fact that Tyson got up and then won the remainder of the round, that is crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I am so frustrated that that fight's not happening again. | ||
| Man, you know, I'm looking at the heavyweight scene and I'm looking at obviously Joshua from England. | ||
| And, you know, he had the opportunity to fight Deontay and didn't take it. | ||
| I'm like, if that was me, I would have took that chance because you never know what happens down the road like what's happening now. | ||
| And, you know, to me, he's being put on the shelf. | ||
| Now he has to box somebody that nobody really wants him to box. | ||
| Who's he fighting next? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Baby. | ||
| Baby Miller. | ||
| Oh, Big Baby Miller? | ||
| Big Baby Miller. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, Big Baby Miller, I haven't seen too much of him. | ||
| I don't know too much about him, but, you know, he talks a good fight. | ||
| I know he weighed over 300 pounds at one time. | ||
| He's a big baby. | ||
| And, yeah. | ||
| And, you know, now he's got an opportunity to fight Joshua, so he's taking full advantage of it like he should. | ||
| But, you know... | ||
| I don't see anything in his history to show me that he can beat Joshua. | ||
| Who have you beaten? | ||
| He can bang, though. | ||
| He can bang if you're there to bang. | ||
| Joshua's got feet. | ||
| He's going to move. | ||
| He's not going to stay there and bang. | ||
| He's an excellent boxer. | ||
| Yeah, he's going to be a smart boxer in this fight. | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Never know. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, these are one of those things where I think this is where Anthony's got to be extra careful because Miller's going to train twice as hard and if Joshua doesn't train like he's fighting Deontay, he may take it for granted, make a mistake. | ||
| And you can do that. | ||
| I've done that. | ||
| I've done that. | ||
| And it's nothing that he's done on purpose. | ||
| It's a mental thing. | ||
| Yeah, it's a mental thing. | ||
| Like when you fought Marvovich. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That guy wouldn't go home. | ||
| Wouldn't go home. | ||
| That guy wouldn't go home. | ||
| He gave me a lot of trouble. | ||
| I was at that fight. | ||
| He gave me a lot of trouble. | ||
| Lennox boxed this guy around the ring for 12 rounds. | ||
| Literally, the guy's head's snapping back, and this guy's not going anywhere. | ||
| He was going nowhere. | ||
| That's got to be a weird feeling, too, when you know how hard you punch, and you see a guy just eating him. | ||
| Some people just are built weird. | ||
| They just can take a shot. | ||
| No, I learned that coming up. | ||
| I learned that some guys that are tough to the head are weak to the body. | ||
| Some guys that are tough to the body are weak to the head. | ||
| And some guys are just made out of rocks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's almost like an ignorant bliss. | ||
| They just don't know they're supposed to feel pain. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I really think it's a physiological thing. | ||
| I think some guys can just take a shot. | ||
| They're just built better. | ||
| Sometimes, I've been in fights where I've gone and the man's hit me on the chin first couple minutes, and it's like he just glanced off my chin. | ||
| It's like I ate it up. | ||
| Ate the punch up, and it didn't hurt me. | ||
| And I was like, what happened to that punch? | ||
| It was so hard, it hit you on the chin. | ||
| Everybody was saying, yo, did you see that punch? | ||
| You never felt it? | ||
| I'm like, no. | ||
| And when I look at tape of it, it's like, wow, I did get hit. | ||
| Is it because, like, are there a bunch of factors? | ||
| Like how much you got hit in training, how well you feel coming into the fight, where you're at in your career? | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of factors. | ||
| Like, for instance, let me give you a wicked factor. | ||
| If you haven't boxed for two years, And all of a sudden you step into the ring and it's a title fight and you box. | ||
| The first good hit you get is going to concuss you. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Because you haven't been getting those hits for that two years. | ||
| Now this man hit you with the two years and you're getting used to it and you've felt it and you've gotten over it. | ||
| You need to get over that hill. | ||
| Is it a mental hill? | ||
| It is a mental hill because even for me, for me when I haven't fought for a while, you know, I go out there. | ||
| Until I get hit... | ||
| Once I get hit, that wakes everything up. | ||
| It's like, yo, this is not supposed to go like that. | ||
| You're not supposed to hit me. | ||
| I'm supposed to hit you. | ||
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So I get going. | |
| So the Hasim Rahman fight, after it was over, were you worried that you were not going to get a rematch? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I was very worried. | ||
| In fact, we chased him to three courts around the world. | ||
| And he didn't want to fight me. | ||
| And if I was in this position, I wouldn't want to fight me either because I'm coming back for revenge. | ||
| Plus, there's a big money fight out there with Tyson, which he so happened to say after the fight. | ||
| No more Lewis Tyson! | ||
| No more Lewis Tyson! | ||
| And he actually left... | ||
| South Africa without visiting Mandela. | ||
| Like, why you go to Africa and not visit Mandela? | ||
| I did. | ||
| He just wanted to get out of there. | ||
| Take that belt. | ||
| And that $7 million that he got off of Don King. | ||
| So, the fight got made again because after the third courtroom, the judge says, whose signature is this? | ||
| Haseem said it was his. | ||
| You signed it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, you got to give him the rematch. | ||
| You signed it to give him a rematch, so you have to give him a rematch. | ||
| So he didn't want to hear that. | ||
| So I was happy. | ||
| How long did it take? | ||
| Two years. | ||
| Two years. | ||
| And there was all those brawls in the, remember the ESPN studio when him and Rachman got into a fight? | ||
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Yeah, that's right. | |
| They knocked over the table and everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Lennox was wearing his big Steve Harvey suit. | ||
| Did you? | ||
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Steve Harvey suit! | |
| Let me tell you, it was a Steve Harvey suit, too. | ||
| Because I had the slippery shoes in the world. | ||
| I didn't come there to fight. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| I came there to, like, you know, do press. | ||
| Those slippery shoes are the worst. | ||
| If anything goes down, you got those leather shoulder shoes. | ||
| Oh, yeah, you're done. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| On carpet? | ||
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Whoop! | |
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Rockman went shh. | ||
| I went shh. | ||
| That's when you got to learn jujitsu. | ||
| Now when you were in that time period, I don't remember, did you have fights in between? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How many fights did you have after Rockman? | ||
| Oh no, I didn't have no fights in between. | ||
| No fights in between? | ||
| No, I just trained for Rockman. | ||
| Just waited? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it took you two years? | ||
| Two years. | ||
| God, that must have been so frustrating. | ||
| It was, it was, because you never know if you're going to get the fight or not, or, you know, these guys are running from you, they signed to fight a rematch because, you know, now they didn't want to sign it. | ||
| I remember when that right hand landed. | ||
| I remember when I was watching it at home and I threw my arms up in the air. | ||
| I was like, oh shit, yes! | ||
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That one went to sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep, but it was a hammer. | |
| Let's check this out, man. | ||
| I mean, for a long time coming, you're waiting for it. | ||
| You know, for this fight, Rockman couldn't catch me because my speed was different. | ||
| You know, in South Africa, it was a lot slower. | ||
| Now, he got kind of a little frustrated because he couldn't catch me. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Over the top of the shoulder. | ||
| Joe Cortez, let him count still. | ||
| Oh, that was a phenomenal punch. | ||
| That was probably one of the most satisfying one-punch knockouts I've ever watched. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I knew what you had gone through, and I knew, like, everybody knew you were one of the greatest of all time. | ||
| Man. | ||
| To have you get KO'd like that, first of all, it endeared people to you in a way because it showed your vulnerability but also your character and your ability to come back, which is not easy, man. | ||
| When you get stopped like that, psychologically, it's got to be fucking with your head. | ||
| Let me tell you, the first time I lost, everybody was coming up and shaking my hand and said, well, what are you going to do now? | ||
| I'm like, what do you mean, what am I going to do now? | ||
| Yeah, well, what are you going to do now? | ||
| I'm going to go back and win my championship. | ||
| I said, okay. | ||
| You know, they didn't think it was going to be possible, but I'm thinking, Muhammad Ali gained the championship three times. | ||
| So I've only lost it once. | ||
| I can do it again. | ||
| It takes a special person to do it, and I can do it. | ||
| Do you feel like there was two stages of your career, like pre-Emmanuel Stewart and post? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| There's two sizes of them, too, then, if you look at it. | ||
| And seriously, he went from a skinny kid to a man, like a giant fucking man out of nowhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The pre-Emmanuel Stewart was obviously, you know, me learning how to be a professional, learning to fight pro. | ||
| And then once I got to Emmanuel, we just like, yo, he said, hey, you're a great fighter. | ||
| You know, you used to move around a lot. | ||
| We've got to bring that back. | ||
| I'm like, okay, cool. | ||
| So the movement he brought back, he taught me a couple Kronk tricks, you know, that check hook and different things that the Kronk fighters do, which works well. | ||
| And, you know, he was easy to understand. | ||
| And what I liked about him, what he said, I can do, I could accomplish. | ||
| He just told me what to do, I'll do it. | ||
| If he said, Len, we need to win this round, I'll win that round. | ||
| Yeah, you had that kind of relationship, right? | ||
| He was really one of the great masters. | ||
| There's certain masters when it comes to boxing training. | ||
| When you would hear him discuss fighters, I really loved hearing him do commentary as well because he would discuss fighters and what they need to do and he was always just dead on. | ||
| He just knew things. | ||
| He understood boxing so comprehensively. | ||
| He just knew what a fighter needed to do. | ||
| So I was so excited when he started working with you because I was like, well, that's exactly what Lennox needs. | ||
| So was HBO because, you know, it's funny. | ||
| I'll do fights on HBO and they will say, oh, he's doing this. | ||
| He's not doing this. | ||
| He needs to do more. | ||
| He needs to throw the jab more. | ||
| Then Emmanuel started working for me and he's like, oh, he's doing the jab. | ||
| He's doing well. | ||
| I was like, oh, this is what you need. | ||
| You need a great coach. | ||
| Anytime you go in on TV that the commentators respect, then they'll talk good about the boxer. | ||
| But if you're not a good trainer, it's like, what do they need to talk about? | ||
| They talk a lot of shit in boxing commentary. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And they let you know whose side they're on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They always let you know. | ||
| You could talk about how they're guiding your brain to watch the fight. | ||
| Well, they talk a little shit. | ||
| It's more like sports commentary. | ||
| Like mixed martial arts commentary. | ||
| I don't do that. | ||
| I don't really talk shit ever. | ||
| I mean, occasionally if something's egregiously bad, I'll talk about those real issues here. | ||
| But I try to just address it technically. | ||
| You try to compliment both of them? | ||
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I try hard. | |
| I try hard at that. | ||
| Because I wasn't always. | ||
| I'd learned how to do it on the job. | ||
| Nobody really knew how to do it. | ||
| There wasn't a lot of people doing it before I started doing it. | ||
| Well, it sucks for you because you're fighting with all the fighters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's hard when you watch a friend of yours fuck up another friend of yours. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's hard. | ||
| What about a friend of yours that's doing something wrong that needs to do something right? | ||
| Do you tell him? | ||
| Yeah, I tell him privately. | ||
| See, for me, I wish I was like that. | ||
| I wish I could do that. | ||
| But, you know, people want more truth out of me. | ||
| So I try and bring it across in a soft way and not make it too harsh. | ||
| I would say there's issues. | ||
| I see something. | ||
| If I see a vulnerability, I'll discuss that. | ||
| But if there's something that someone needs to work on or do, I'll try to pull them aside. | ||
| But most of them, no. | ||
| MMA fighters, I'm sure a lot like boxers, there's different kinds of humans, and some of them are just fucking wild. | ||
| And those wild ones, a lot of times they never become champion, but they're the most exciting people to watch. | ||
| Like Mickey Ward. | ||
| Mickey Ward's fights with Arturo Gatti, they're some of the greatest, because the way they matched up, I would never want one of my friends to fight like that. | ||
| Yeah, two lunatics in one ring. | ||
| Oh my god, man, those fights were chaos, though. | ||
| Everybody knew that those guys, they're never going to beat Mayweather, they're never going to beat the best guys, but god damn, they were fun to watch. | ||
| Some of the craziest, craziest fights. | ||
| They were like our generation's prior Arguello almost. | ||
| Almost. | ||
| Except they went back and forth and back and forth, you know? | ||
| Who was it that had an arm injury and still boxed? | ||
| Was it Mickey Ward? | ||
| No, wasn't it Bernard Hopkins when he fought Antoine Echols? | ||
| I might be wrong. | ||
| You mean like a permanent, like a broken arm? | ||
| Someone got their arm broke in a... | ||
| Or pulled out. | ||
| I think that was Antoine Echols. | ||
| It might have been against Hopkins or it was against somebody, but the guy picked him up and slammed him and he dislocated his shoulder. | ||
| And then the ref was like, should I stop the fight? | ||
| He's like, no, no, no. | ||
| And he knocked the guy with the left hook after. | ||
| But Hopkins got slammed and they stopped the fight and then he came back and won the rematch. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Yes, but I recall the guy knocking him out in the next round with his left hand only. | ||
| Was that Hopkins? | ||
| It might have been Hopkins-Echols, if I'm not mistaken. | ||
| I'll tell you what, man. | ||
| One of the hardest fights for me to watch was Hopkins versus Joe Smith. | ||
| That was a bummer. | ||
| When he got knocked out and fell out of the ropes and landed on his head. | ||
| I was like, man, that is just... | ||
| First of all, the fact that there was no padding on the ground. | ||
| This is Bernard Hopkins. | ||
| It's one of the greatest of all time. | ||
| And this is how this is set up. | ||
| They don't put padded on the ground. | ||
| They need to have something there. | ||
| Maybe more of an apron. | ||
| They have to put more people around the ring. | ||
| So if anybody comes flying out, it's like, yo! | ||
| That's how they do it in Japan. | ||
| Like in Pride, they would have guys waiting by the side of the ring to stop guys from falling out of the ring. | ||
| Because they would use rings, which I don't recommend, for MMA. | ||
| There's pros and cons. | ||
| The pro is that the cage, you can kind of hold a guy against the cage. | ||
| You can't really hold a guy very well against the ropes. | ||
| Here it is right here. | ||
| See, he fell, boom, right on his head, man. | ||
| I think that's concrete. | ||
| He went through, fell right on his head. | ||
| And if somebody helps you up, the fight's over. | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| Yeah, you get disqualified the minute somebody helps you back into the ring. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, you have to get up on your own and get back in on your own. | ||
| People don't know about that, eh? | ||
| Yeah, you're good. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Little details, kids. | ||
| They could have ruined the fight for him if he was okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, if he was okay, if he fell and then someone helps him get back up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Somebody be shouting, don't touch him! | ||
| Don't touch him! | ||
| Get up! | ||
| But nobody knows if he's alright or not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Especially when you see him land on us. | ||
| It's human nature to run and help. | ||
| Well, it's also he's 50 or 51, right? | ||
| Wasn't he 51? | ||
| Yeah, he was not young in that fight. | ||
| When you see a guy like him, like, how the fuck does a guy like that defy the odds and defy time? | ||
| I mean, it's just his skill level? | ||
| Experience. | ||
| Experience, intelligence. | ||
| Bernard Hopkins is an intelligent fighter. | ||
| He's like, you know, you watch him fight, he's smart. | ||
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| And doesn't spend one day out of shape. | ||
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| And eats clean. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Doesn't party. | ||
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| He still, to this day, I follow his Instagram. | ||
| He's always training. | ||
| He's always exercising. | ||
| Still looks slim. | ||
| Still looks good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's got true focus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's interesting that he became that way, like in his estimation, because of prison time. | ||
| Going to prison turned him into a disciplined man. | ||
| Realizing this is rock bottom. | ||
| I fucked up. | ||
| I need to get my life in order. | ||
| And did. | ||
| Imagine the people out there that commit a crime, spend three, four years in jail because of some stupid crime. | ||
| They could spend that time training and being a world champion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At something. | ||
| Yeah, at anything. | ||
| Well, just develop, use that time to develop yourself. | ||
| Develop your mind, you know? | ||
| I mean, when Hopkins was, they were already writing him off when he fought Felix Trinidad. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everybody thought Trinidad was going to run him over. | ||
| Do you remember the shit he pulled in Puerto Rico? | ||
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He threw the flag and chased him to the stadium. | |
| And he had to make that six or seven foot jump to the ground and he was scared he was going to break his leg. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| I forgot about that. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| They chased him out of the stadium. | ||
| I'm sure Tito had so much on his mind in that fight. | ||
| So much emotions. | ||
| You know, and then... | ||
| That was the mental warfare that Bernard brought into that one. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But then also, he was just too good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was too good. | ||
| I mean, he was just... | ||
| And he was too big. | ||
| He hit too hard. | ||
| Like, Trinidad really was a lighter weight fighter than that. | ||
| He was a junior middleweight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Broner did that same thing. | ||
| Almost got done, too. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Threw it down. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
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| And, you know, this was, I think Bernard was like 36 at the time. | ||
| Look at him, they're all swinging at him and shit. | ||
| That's that jump he had to do, right? | ||
| He was trying to get out of there, for real. | ||
| If he just turned, it would have stopped. | ||
| If he turned, it would have probably went, oh, what am I doing? | ||
| Chasing a tiger? | ||
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| You didn't chase a tiger and you catch it, you got a real fucking problem. | ||
| Did you ever have any thoughts at all once you'd finally retired? | ||
| Like, man, maybe one more. | ||
| Did you ever have any thoughts like that? | ||
| Well, you know, I told people, like, I'll take my pajamas off for 100 mil. | ||
| So if you're serious, come with it, baby. | ||
| Show me the paper. | ||
| But who would that have to be against? | ||
| AJ, maybe? | ||
| No, me and Tyson again. | ||
| But when you had beaten Tyson... | ||
| You'd beat Tyson that was kind of at the end of his stage too, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wasn't the same guy. | ||
| I looked at Tyson's history. | ||
| He's coming from the same history that I'm coming from. | ||
| And he spent some time in incarceration. | ||
| While he was in incarceration, I'm still out there fighting and training hard. | ||
| He didn't have that in there. | ||
| So when he came out, it's like... | ||
| He's training again. | ||
| He's doing what he knows, not what he loves, but what he knows. | ||
| That's what's going to make him some money. | ||
| That's going to put food on his table. | ||
| So it's like I look at old-time fighters and say, what made them stay in boxing so long? | ||
| That's the only thing they knew. | ||
| They're not going to be no singer or dancer or whatever. | ||
| They only know boxing, and this is where they get their money from. | ||
| So that's what forces them back into the ring. | ||
| Especially olden days. | ||
| That's why they were called prize fighters, because they wouldn't make enough money to make a living unless you were like a huge, like a Jack Dempsey or a Ray Robinson. | ||
| But even Jay Robinson fought way, way, way past his prime. | ||
| Yeah, again, because they were making good money at the time, but not the money that they would have been making if it was today. | ||
| Well, there was no, I mean, you had to go see it live. | ||
| You know, like, how much did you get paid for the radio? | ||
| Who was that? | ||
| Was it Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney that was the first million dollar gate? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| It was one of those. | ||
| Ray Arcel did that fight, I think. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| What is a million dollars back then, too? | ||
| That's a lot of money back then. | ||
| That was in the 1920s, right? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Didn't you say Jack... | ||
| Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey? | ||
| Gene, yes, Gene Tunney. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When Tyson was in jail, he must have been doing something because he came out jacked. | ||
| He looked good. | ||
| He came out looking different than he ever looked. | ||
| Six-pack, fully built. | ||
| When he fought Peter McNeely, he looked scary as shit. | ||
| He looked terrifying. | ||
| But physically, he looked really good, too. | ||
| He looked better than he ever looked. | ||
| More ripped than ever. | ||
| When he went in, he was a little chubby. | ||
| What is it of doing there? | ||
| Yeah, there's nothing else to do. | ||
| Fuck dudes. | ||
| That's what I hear. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, how many dudes before it's enough, you know? | ||
| Depends on how much time you're in there for. | ||
| Yeah, that was him when he came out. | ||
| Yeah, he was shredded. | ||
| And he was so much more muscular, so he probably couldn't do any sparring. | ||
| I doubt they had a heavy bag, but they probably had a weight room, you know? | ||
| Yeah, but you can fight in prison. | ||
| He was like 28, 29 there. | ||
| It depends on what prison, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I'm saying even fight. | ||
| Just fight. | ||
| Oh, fight people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You know, somebody would have tried to start some shit with him. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure. | ||
| If not a guard even, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I bet. | ||
| I bet he had to listen to a lot of shitty things from guards. | ||
| It's funny when I seen him be arrested, taken from the courtroom, and they must have got the biggest guy they could ever get to go put handcuffs on him or something like that. | ||
| Anyway, situation that I hope a lot of people stay away from. | ||
| Yeah, when he went away, did you feel like, damn it, I'm going to miss out on that fight that I won? | ||
| Yes, straight away. | ||
| He's like, oh no, I'm going to have to wait and delay my retirement. | ||
| Oh, so you were considering retirement even before he was incarcerated? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow, interesting. | ||
| But then you were chasing the bow fight. | ||
| Bow fight, chicken bow. | ||
| You know, you figured that... | ||
| Chicken bow? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that what you call them? | ||
| You call them Ridiculous Bo. | ||
| Ridiculous Bo, Chicken Bo. | ||
| Tried to pick a fight with me the other day. | ||
| Did he really? | ||
| The other day he did? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where? | ||
| At a fight in LA, where they called all the great ones on, Jerry Cooney, me, Foreman, Spinks was there. | ||
| And what was he doing? | ||
| He wanted to stand beside me and take a picture. | ||
| I'm like, dude, you can't stand beside me. | ||
| He goes, I'll stand where I want to stand. | ||
| I'm like, dude, you're going to have to move. | ||
| So Jerry Cooney kind of helped us out there. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And saved him. | ||
| Because he can't really speak. | ||
| Yeah, he can't. | ||
| He's had a rough time. | ||
| The difference between a guy like you who gets out, who speaks perfect, and a guy like him, he's the warning. | ||
| That's the warning to the young fighter. | ||
| You see the older guy who... | ||
| I saw an interview with him, and it was one of the saddest things I've ever seen. | ||
| It was horrible. | ||
| Because I go back and I think about those fights with Holyfield, those fucking crazy wars. | ||
| Those were insane. | ||
| And he paid that price, man. | ||
| He paid that price. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can hear it when he's talking now. | ||
| It's rough. | ||
| It's hard to listen to. | ||
| I think the good news is now we're on the other side of fighters coming out that punchy. | ||
| I think with all the rules and changes that have been made. | ||
| What changes? | ||
| You won't meet as many punchy guys as you met from back in the day. | ||
| You listen to Purnell, you listen to Riddick, you listen to Meldrick Taylor. | ||
| Is Purnell bad now? | ||
| Yeah, he's a little... | ||
| And Purnell never even got hit that much. | ||
| He was the best. | ||
| But I think Purnell's is probably more from... | ||
| Cocaine makes you slur your words? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| You do enough shit in your life. | ||
| He drinks. | ||
| He drinks a lot. | ||
| Oh, is he drinking? | ||
| I got drunk with Purnell once. | ||
| One of the things that they say with older fighters, and even older football players, is they become addicted to alcohol because they're searching for something to try to recalibrate their brain. | ||
| There's a scientific explanation to it. | ||
| People talk about people with traumatic brain injury often become alcoholics. | ||
| It's like they're trying to get some sort of a dopamine rush. | ||
| You could also use the alcohol as a justification as to why you're slurring your speech. | ||
| Well, I know a dude who's an MMA fighter. | ||
| He's punchy. | ||
| He's had a bunch of shots. | ||
| And this motherfucker will have one drink, and you can't understand a word he's saying. | ||
| It hits them so hard. | ||
| So hard. | ||
| It's confusing. | ||
| It's like, how are you that drunk? | ||
| And then you realize, oh, this is both things. | ||
| It's both things. | ||
|
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It's... | |
| It's the brain damage and the alcohol combined, just the wheels come off the carry. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| Yeah, it's awful. | ||
| But you made it out perfect, man. | ||
| You nailed it. | ||
| So far, so far. | ||
| So far. | ||
| Yeah, years will tell. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Do you worry about that? | ||
| Not really. | ||
| I try and keep my mind active. | ||
| I play a lot of chess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How often do you play chess? | ||
| Every day. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you play online? | ||
| Do you play competitively? | ||
| I play online. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whoever jumps in the battle. | ||
| How good are you? | ||
| Pretty good. | ||
| Very. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, pretty good. | ||
| He's a bully. | ||
| Did you play you? | ||
| He used to get mad at me because I'd go to his house and be like, you want to play chess? | ||
| I go, I don't know. | ||
| Just play. | ||
| I'm like, I don't know how I play. | ||
| Just beat me and be like, get out of here. | ||
| Just move. | ||
| Bring me somebody to play. | ||
| Do you study chess? | ||
| Not as much as I should. | ||
| I just play often. | ||
| And, you know, when you play often... | ||
| moves and it's like oh i've seen this move before i know what to do right uh but you know it depends there's people that use their pawns to to wage war use their um the knights or their bishops in combination so it really depends on what type of player they are i'm a You're right. | ||
| I'm a bully player. | ||
| I like playing. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| He is the Joe Rogan of pool to Lennox of chess. | ||
| Well, listen. | ||
| In my defense, Lennox challenged me. | ||
| He wanted to play. | ||
| He thought he could play. | ||
| Just so people don't know. | ||
| Don't challenge anybody on their own table. | ||
| Lennox challenged Joe to a game of pool before the podcast. | ||
| And Joe fucking cleared the table before Lennox could get one shot off. | ||
| Yeah, it was good. | ||
| That was the warm-up. | ||
| Well, I won the second game, too. | ||
| Yeah, he did win the second game as well. | ||
| I'm still warming up! | ||
| Alright, we'll go back. | ||
| He's got time deficit. | ||
| That's a crazy game, though, on that table, because that table has four-inch pockets. | ||
| That's my practice table. | ||
| I'll give you a four-inch pocket. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
|
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Whoa! | |
| Where are you putting it? | ||
| I have a regular table at home. | ||
| Well, not a regular table. | ||
| It's a diamond. | ||
| It's got four and a half inch pockets. | ||
| It's still a little tight. | ||
| A normal pocket. | ||
| Like, if you go to a pool hall, they'll give you a five inch pocket or a five and a half inch pocket. | ||
| Yeah, I got a pool table at home. | ||
| It's got fucking buckets. | ||
| I got the abyss. | ||
| Yeah, this table, you can't miss. | ||
| And it's dirty right now, too. | ||
| So it's even like the cloth is slow. | ||
| So, balls don't drop unless they go right through the center. | ||
| What type of cloth is that? | ||
|
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Blood cloth. | |
| Yes, that's the best. | ||
| That's the best one. | ||
| Yeah, it's the best. | ||
| It's a great table. | ||
| That's a 1972 pool table. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Some guy had it in his basement forever, and my friend Donnie sold it to me. | ||
| Yeah, the guy just had it sitting in his basement. | ||
| It's in perfect condition. | ||
| It's a basement find. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Man, that's a hard table to get. | ||
| Where was this? | ||
| Somewhere in California. | ||
| You know what I love about that table? | ||
| What? | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| What? | ||
| You don't have to walk around and take the balls out of the pockets. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that's annoying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like ball return. | ||
| They're all there. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Yeah, those holes when you have to walk around. | ||
|
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Yeah, I got those. | |
| I got those. | ||
|
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It's annoying. | |
| But you probably have like a decorative pool table. | ||
| Yeah, it came with the house. | ||
| You have a beautiful house. | ||
| I've never been there. | ||
| You've been invited many times. | ||
| He's been to my house when I was with my parents. | ||
| He never came to my house as a solo man. | ||
| Now, when you play chess, do you get ranked? | ||
| Are you in a league? | ||
| What it is, is your points go up. | ||
| So I'm at 1100 right now. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Well, the rankings are like, if you're up to 14, you're a master. | ||
| So you're closing in on being a master. | ||
| Well, I wouldn't call me a master yet, but obviously if I get that, I'm trying to get as high as possible. | ||
| But if someone talks shit and they're like, Lennox, I want to play you some chess, you'd be like, oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah, straight away. | ||
| What's one of the most mentally intensive games? | ||
| It's probably one reason why you stay so sharp, I would imagine. | ||
| Yeah, there's a time restriction, 10 minutes. | ||
| So you played that, where you hit the slap the clock? | ||
| Yeah, well on... | ||
| 10 minutes for a move or 10 minutes for the whole game? | ||
| For the whole game. | ||
| Oh, damn. | ||
|
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Whoa. | |
| On the... | ||
| It's a fast game. | ||
| Yeah, on the computer, once you've made that move, the time goes over. | ||
| It just resets. | ||
| So it's good. | ||
| Now, do you ever go to Washington Square Park and play those dudes? | ||
| Done. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
| They talk a lot of shit, huh? | ||
| Oh yeah, they're good too. | ||
| They're good. | ||
| The guy I was playing was talking a lot of shit. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you beat him? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You should have hit him. | ||
| Why did you have to ask that question? | ||
| It was just fun playing him. | ||
| Does there have to be a winner all the time? | ||
| Those guys are masters. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| They got nothing else going on. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's all they want to do. | ||
| When you get really good at chess, and I'm not really good at chess, but I have friends that are, they explain to you, like, it becomes your whole life. | ||
| Like, you start thinking, like, as you're walking down the street, you're thinking about chess. | ||
| It becomes a thing where it's just everything. | ||
| It's such an intense game. | ||
| Yeah, I play like at least four games a day. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Online? | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's your online name? | ||
| Do you use an online name? | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| You don't use your real name, right? | ||
| I'm going to get it right now. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
|
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Uh-oh. | |
| Let the shalom... | ||
| Because I made this name a long time ago. | ||
|
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Look at you. | |
| There you go. | ||
| There I am. | ||
| Washington Square Park. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Playing some master. | ||
| Is that MC Supernatural? | ||
| Those dudes love that game though, man. | ||
| I mean, those guys who are there, if you go there, they'll be there every day. | ||
| They fucking live for it. | ||
| It's one of those things I really admire. | ||
| I really admire people that get really, really good at chess. | ||
| Inter 2000. Inter 2000? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Well, it was supposed to be Interpol. | ||
| Interpol 2000? | ||
| Why? | ||
| It's like the name, Interpol. | ||
| It sounds official. | ||
| When people are playing, it's Interpol. | ||
| I think this is the government I'm playing. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's the European CIA. So, if you're out there and you're playing Inter 2000, you're playing Lennox motherfucking Lewis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was going to put my real name, but I don't want everybody to try and beat the champ. | ||
| Well, now they're going to try to beat the champ. | ||
| Champ's retired right now. | ||
| Let it be known that Lennox Lewis is one of those dudes that walks around with no case on his iPhone, too. | ||
| And it's smashed. | ||
| Is it smashed? | ||
| If I tell you what happens. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| I was doing something and all of a sudden, my wife said, do this. | ||
| And I went, whoop, whoop. | ||
| And it flew out of your hand. | ||
| Yeah, but you have the biggest hands of any human being I know. | ||
| And there's no phone that's going to be big enough unless you carry an iPad with it. | ||
| Let me tell you, I don't know who makes these iPhones, but they make them to slip out of your hands. | ||
| I think they do. | ||
| They really do. | ||
| Like, put something on that grips. | ||
| Why don't you have a case? | ||
| That's the first thing I did, was put a case on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then, I forgot what I had to do. | ||
| You have to take it off to charge it up or something. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| What kind of fucking case do you have? | ||
| You got the wrong case. | ||
| Who sold you a case? | ||
| Whoever sold you a case is an asshole. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Doesn't have a thing where you can just stick a hole in it. | ||
| You don't have a run JRE case? | ||
| Look at these guys. | ||
| They're all challenging me. | ||
| Are they now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I gotta boycott this game right now. | ||
| They're going to come after you now. | ||
| Now that they find out they can play you. | ||
| I like that they're doing it while we're doing the podcast live. | ||
| Look, he's going to get obsessed. | ||
| The wheels are spinning, the competitive drive. | ||
| Let me tell you, my wife gives me problems on this. | ||
| She says, you know, he's playing chess. | ||
| Women don't understand you playing chess and focusing. | ||
| I'm trying to tell her, listen, I'm up to this score point. | ||
| Don't interrupt me because it affects my score. | ||
| But I need you now. | ||
| We need to do this. | ||
| Just five minutes, please. | ||
| Five minutes. | ||
| You know, she's looking at me weird, but she's gotten better. | ||
| She's actually, are you playing chess? | ||
| And then she leaves you alone? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| I think because I got mad a couple times. | ||
| Ah, probably. | ||
| Yeah, big bully with his wife. | ||
| Do you ever play chess with people other than Lennox? | ||
| No, I can't play chess. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Good, I can't either. | ||
| Maybe you and I will play together. | ||
| We should really learn the game together. | ||
| Yeah, we'll learn it together. | ||
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I don't know how to play it at all. | |
| Finally something Joe can't do. | ||
| I want to video this game. | ||
| Damn, it would be fucking disgusting. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| You could coach the game. | ||
| No, this is the first time I would ever see a chess game turn into checkers. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| He's like, wow. | ||
| That's it, we're fighting. | ||
| How rude. | ||
| How do you play this game again? | ||
| How rude. | ||
| All this coming from a man who doesn't really know how to play pool. | ||
| Shots fired. | ||
| Shots fired. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I play billiards. | ||
| Billiards. | ||
| Pocket billiards. | ||
| Pocket billiards. | ||
| You ever play three cushion billiards? | ||
| You know what that is? | ||
| One, two, three. | ||
| And then you have to get in the hole of the... | ||
| No, there's no holes. | ||
| Is that the one with the bumpers? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, the whole table is a flat... | ||
| Oh, you have to touch it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's thrushin' thrushin'. | ||
| Isn't it Russian? | ||
| No, but I mean Russians play it. | ||
| It's real big in South America. | ||
| It's real big in Mexico. | ||
| It's real big in parts of Europe. | ||
| Real big in Asia. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| It's a different game. | ||
| There's two different colored balls. | ||
| It's either two white balls and a red ball or two red balls and a white ball. | ||
| Or sometimes it's a yellow ball, a red ball, and a white ball. | ||
| And the idea is you make contact with one ball and then you have to hit three cushions and then make contact with the second ball. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, it's very complicated. | ||
| And is it good to watch? | ||
| Well, if you know how to play it, it's good to watch. | ||
| But if you don't know how to play it, it's... | ||
| The thing about what I like about pool is I like when the balls disappear. | ||
| Like, you make a ball, it goes away. | ||
| It goes in that hole. | ||
| Bye, bitch. | ||
| You sink the ball, it's got a finality to it. | ||
| It feels good. | ||
| But with that, it just clicks. | ||
| It's like just ding, ding, ding, click. | ||
| But the people who love it, love it. | ||
| It's a very intellectual game because it's all about geometry. | ||
| It's all angles and spin. | ||
| I'm not good at that either. | ||
| It's tricky. | ||
| It's a tricky game. | ||
| I'm not good at it. | ||
| I know it a little bit. | ||
| What about table tennis? | ||
| I can't play that. | ||
| Table tennis. | ||
| No, you'd fuck me up. | ||
| High-end coordination. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| One thing I learned is you can't do too many things. | ||
| It will fuck you up. | ||
| I have a real problem with Quake. | ||
| You know what Quake is? | ||
| It's Quake. | ||
| Jamie's been fucking me up lately. | ||
| Quake? | ||
| Yeah, we got a computer room set up in the back. | ||
| It gets intense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is this Quake? | ||
| What is the object? | ||
| It's a 3D game where it's a computer game. | ||
| You have all these weapons. | ||
| You run around picking up weapons. | ||
| And you're on a map. | ||
| So it's just like every map is different. | ||
| But you do this in real life, too. | ||
| I don't know why you're playing it on a video game. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| You're out there hunting. | ||
| Yeah, but that's in the forest. | ||
| That's different. | ||
| I'm looking for meat. | ||
| That's a different thing. | ||
| What kind of meat are you hunting for? | ||
| Elk, mostly. | ||
| Elk and deer. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Do you cut it up same spot? | ||
| Well, you butcher it. | ||
| You quarter it up while it's there so you can carry it out, but you don't really like... | ||
| You want to protect the meat, so you really want to get it out of the woods first and cool it off. | ||
| That's what you want to do. | ||
| What do you do with all the leftover? | ||
| Leftover? | ||
| Like what leftover? | ||
| The limbs and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, like the paws. | ||
| Like the bones and shit like that. | ||
| Leave them. | ||
| Leave the bones. | ||
| You don't bury it? | ||
| No, the animals will eat them. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah, if you leave the bones behind, then nothing goes to waste in the forest. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah. | |
| I mean, if you shoot an animal in the forest and leave the bones behind. | ||
| Something's gonna eat it. | ||
| If they don't eat, they'll eat most of it. | ||
| You know, they'll find it. | ||
| Bears will find it. | ||
| The ecosystem will take care of it. | ||
| Yeah, everything. | ||
| Rats, everything. | ||
| Everything will take care of it. | ||
| Now, how do your children feel about you doing those bad things to this animal? | ||
| Listen, as big as you are, you have to eat meat. | ||
| There's no way you're a vegan. | ||
| No, I eat meat. | ||
| I definitely eat meat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My kids are used to it because I've been hunting since they were little. | ||
| So they've eaten bear and deer and elk. | ||
| They eat it all the time. | ||
| Do you cook? | ||
| Yeah, all the time. | ||
| That was bear taste. | ||
| Here's a question for you. | ||
| Do you wash your meat? | ||
| Don't wash it? | ||
| Do you wash your meat? | ||
| Like my dick? | ||
| Is that what you're saying? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Is this a double entendre? | ||
| It's funny a lot of people take it that way. | ||
| It's like, you know, when you're cooking, it's like you're taking the meat from the butchers. | ||
| You don't know where it's been. | ||
| So you rinse the chicken or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, you rinse it or put some vinegar over it and rinse it like that. | ||
| So that's what I mean by wash it. | ||
| Well, when you're cooking it, you're cooking the outside, and anything that might be bacteria is going to get killed. | ||
| The real issue is when you have an animal that has parasites. | ||
| That's the issue. | ||
| So if you're, like, cooking a deer, you don't have to worry about that, because deers are herbivores, and herbivores don't really have parasites. | ||
| But you can get—well, they can get some— There's some worms that they do get. | ||
| But most of the time... | ||
| That's from pork, isn't it? | ||
| No. | ||
| Pork definitely can. | ||
| Pork, you get trichinosis. | ||
| That's pretty serious. | ||
| That's pretty serious shit. | ||
| I do enjoy me some pork, though. | ||
| You heard me. | ||
| Man. | ||
| The devil's beast, Lennox. | ||
| Swine, Bridgen. | ||
| Swine. | ||
| You don't eat the pork? | ||
| No. | ||
| Used to be a rustic, Andrew. | ||
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Oh, that's right. | |
| No. | ||
| A lot of jerk chicken? | ||
| Yeah, jerk chicken all day. | ||
| I love jerk chicken. | ||
| All day. | ||
| Jerk chicken. | ||
| It's hard to find a real good Jamaican restaurant though, right? | ||
| Is there one in LA? None that I've found. | ||
| I've been here 13 years and I can't find it in nowhere. | ||
| You know why they have good jerk chicken? | ||
| Swingers. | ||
| You know that... | ||
| Oh, the Cavion 3rd or Beverly or something? | ||
| Wherever it is. | ||
| Is it Beverly or 3rd? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to check it out. | ||
| I'm going to check it out. | ||
| I need oxtail. | ||
| Maybe your standards are higher because you're actually Jamaican. | ||
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Right. | |
| But for me, it's tasty. | ||
| I might be off though. | ||
| Have you been to Jamaica? | ||
| No. | ||
| You need to go. | ||
| Do I? Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think you would like it there. | ||
| I bet I love it. | ||
| It's very important to go to Jamaica because everybody always tells you different stories and stuff, but it's a paradise over there. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you like most about it? | ||
| There you can see different colors. | ||
| I spent a long time in London, and when I left London to go to Jamaica, I was like, wow, all these different vibrant colors, even in the water, in the colors, in the trees. | ||
| When you're driving around London, it's gray. | ||
| It's gray. | ||
| Different cities, they're gray. | ||
| So I like contact with plants. | ||
| Vibrant. | ||
| Yeah, energy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, that's the interesting thing. | ||
| You know, a lot of people do forget that you were from England, right? | ||
| And that there was a stigma with English boxers for a long time, and you broke that. | ||
| You were the man. | ||
| There was a stigma because I heard it was all British boxers are horizontal. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, they were more vertical. | ||
| They would stand straight up, and they would have that European style. | ||
| But it was like Henry Cooper. | ||
| Remember when Henry Cooper dropped Muhammad Ali, and then they cheated? | ||
| Ripped the gloves? | ||
| Yeah, but he was sort of one of the last great English boxers before you came along. | ||
| And then for a long time, there was guys that were pretty good, like Frank Bruno... | ||
| Pretty good, but then they would get in there with guys like Tyson, and they would always wind up losing. | ||
| So everybody had these, like, this is our guy, this is the one. | ||
| And Frank Bruno, damn did he look the part. | ||
| Was there ever a man more jacked as a heavyweight boxer than Frank Bruno? | ||
| Jesus Christ, he was a Goliath. | ||
| He was carved out of granite. | ||
| I mean, there's never been a better built boxer ever. | ||
| Well, you'd look at Frank Bruno and you go, how does he not kill everybody? | ||
| He's so big. | ||
| Let me tell you, you should see Frank Bruno now. | ||
| Still chiseled. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Phenomenal genetics. | ||
| Must be phenomenal genetics. | ||
| Even at the age of like 65. Wow. | ||
| Remember back in the day we used to think Evander, same thing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, Evander, you know, people forget, he started out as cruiserweight. | ||
| He was a much smaller guy. | ||
| Light heavyweight, actually. | ||
| Was he? | ||
| In the UFC? I mean, in boxing? | ||
| Yeah, didn't he win the... | ||
| Oh, no, it was... | ||
| I thought he won the light heavyweight title from... | ||
| Dwight Muhammad Kawhi. | ||
| No, that was Cruiserweight. | ||
| Yeah, Cruiserweight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a hell of a fight. | ||
| That was a hell of a fight. | ||
| That was like his big fight to prove himself as a professional. | ||
| Because Kawhi was tricky. | ||
| 5'7", 200 pounds. | ||
| It was a weird fighter, man. | ||
| Well, that was the American Olympic trials, right? | ||
| Well, Kali was a professional fight. | ||
| That was for the Cruiserweight title. | ||
| Might have been Hedy Davis. | ||
| No, let me tell you, he had a lot of... | ||
| Look at Frank Bruno, still looking good. | ||
| You gotta see him with his shirt off, he's still cut. | ||
| But you could tell. | ||
| Skinny ass legs though, one leg kick. | ||
| He's got a problem. | ||
| Damn though, he does look very good. | ||
| At one time he had big legs. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Maybe when he was fighting. | ||
| Go see Frank Bruno back when he was in his prime as a boxer. | ||
| He was gigantic, man. | ||
| He was as sculpted as a boxer ever gets. | ||
| Yeah, look at him. | ||
| That's not even a good picture. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not one of the best. | ||
| Yeah, he was so jacked. | ||
| Yeah, Kawi was the Camden buzzsaw. | ||
| He was such a crazy fighter because he would pull his shorts up to like here, right? | ||
| And he was 5'7". | ||
| And he would tuck down. | ||
| And he was super wide and he would fight with that Philly shell and come in real low. | ||
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He was a very difficult guy to deal with. | |
| Very difficult guy to deal with. | ||
| Don't see those styles anymore. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Now when you watch boxing today, who really stands out to you? | ||
| You know, all the champions right now, they didn't get to be champions for no reason. | ||
| And, you know, each one of them have different qualities. | ||
| Well, let's look at the heavyweights. | ||
| All the heavyweights, the top three heavyweights right now, they're all over six feet five. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they all have a different style, which is good because, you know, it reminds me of when me and Holyfield and Tyson were around. | ||
| We all had different styles, which makes great fights. | ||
| Now it's to guess which style is going to beat which style. | ||
| You never know because they're all similar. | ||
| You know, all three of them have knockout potential and, you know, they're boxing to win. | ||
| So what we want to see, we want to see who would win out of them. | ||
| Deontay Wilder, to me, is the most perplexing because he hits so hard. | ||
| It's almost like he's got magic in his hands. | ||
| He makes guys fly across the ring, and he's only 209 pounds. | ||
| And he does it off balance? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he does it with both legs in the air? | ||
| Well, you know, he made the Olympic team and won a bronze medal a year and a half into boxing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| My problem with the new division is that they don't have the amateur pedigree, but maybe they don't need it. | ||
| What about Ortiz? | ||
| Ortiz is great, but Ortiz is much older than he says he is. | ||
| Is he? | ||
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How do you know? | |
| What does he say he is? | ||
| 40-something? | ||
| Like 40 or 41? | ||
| How old is he? | ||
| I'm hearing stories that Ortiz is like 49. How do you know? | ||
| Somebody told me about from the amateurs. | ||
| I remember seeing him in the amateurs in the 80s, and they're like, what? | ||
| They always say that about Cubans, though. | ||
| Yeah, because... | ||
| They say that same shit about Yoel Romero. | ||
| He says he's 39? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He just fought on the weekend, or two weeks ago, right? | ||
| Yeah, a couple weeks ago, in one. | ||
| Stoppage, right? | ||
| No, I think it was a decision. | ||
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Was it? | |
| I thought it was a late round stoppage. | ||
| Unless he just fought again. | ||
| He just fought like last weekend or two weeks ago. | ||
| Didn't he fight like two months ago too? | ||
| No, no, he just fought. | ||
| No, that was a stoppage. | ||
| And this fight just happened a week ago. | ||
| Oh, so he's being very active. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's trying to come back. | ||
| What do you think about that? | ||
| Like how active do you think a boxer should be? | ||
| What really comes down to, you know, this is how it goes. | ||
| If you're starting boxing, obviously you want to have as many fights as possible to, you know, get that experience level. | ||
| So as much as possible, it's usually four fights a year. | ||
| And then as you get better, it drops to three fights. | ||
| And then when you're the champion, it drops to two fights. | ||
| So that's the progression of fighting. | ||
| You can't, like for instance, how many fights did Deontay have this year? | ||
| Maybe two. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| You know, before when he was starting out, he would have like three to four. | ||
| Yeah, he's very angry that this rematch is not happening. | ||
| And I side with him. | ||
| Was it Tyson who pulled out? | ||
| Tyson got a deal with ESPN. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well... | ||
| And it's a big deal because, you know, talking about chess match, I think he's pulled off the greatest chess match move there is. | ||
| First, he comes over from England. | ||
| He takes the challenge with Deontay. | ||
| Joshua didn't. | ||
| He boxed. | ||
| He had a great fight. | ||
| Now, he's put himself right up with all three of them on the same line to me. | ||
| And then now, for the rematch... | ||
| People want to see Deontay and they want to see Tyson Fury again because the first fight was exciting. | ||
| Joshua... | ||
| Who's he fighting? | ||
| You know, he's going to fight Big Baby. | ||
| Nobody knows him. | ||
| Everybody knows Deontay. | ||
| Just boxing fans, though. | ||
| Everybody knows Tyson. | ||
| Especially after that fight, because it was such a spectacular fight. | ||
| That knockdown was insane. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| The first knockdown was great. | ||
| The second knockdown was preposterous. | ||
| So the fact that he rose like Lazarus, I mean, it was crazy. | ||
| And then won the rest of the round. | ||
| He gets tagged a few times and starts boxing and then even tag Deontay. | ||
| I still had him winning that fight. | ||
| It was close. | ||
| Tyson. | ||
| I think boxing won that night. | ||
| Both guys looked great and boxed well and made an exciting fight. | ||
| The rematch, obviously everybody wants to see the rematch again. | ||
| So when the rematch happened, that put Anthony Joshua on the shelf, in my eyes. | ||
| Now, it's put him on the shelf a bit longer with this ESPN deal. | ||
| And, you know, Tyson Fury's boxing in front of the public. | ||
| Anthony Joshua and Deontay, they're pay-per-view. | ||
| Who are they going to fight pay-per-view? | ||
| Nobody wants to see no silly fight. | ||
| They want to see good fights. | ||
| So, you know, it's a great move by Tyson Fury. | ||
| It's a great move, but the first fight, the fight ended in a draw, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in the draw, Deontay keeps the title, but at least Tyson walks away saying, look, I won the decision. | ||
| I feel like I should have won the decision. | ||
| There's a dispute. | ||
| There's a debate about it. | ||
| But everybody wants to see that fight. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, a draw is not unreasonable. | ||
| But Kyson could lose to somebody. | ||
| That's the thing, they can all lose to somebody. | ||
| They can all lose. | ||
| You know, while they're mucking around saying, oh, I'll fight this or I won't fight until next year, somebody might lose. | ||
| This is what happens. | ||
| And now none of them can fight each other because if Joshua fights Fury and loses to Fury, Joshua's star goes down. | ||
| If Joshua fights Deontay and beats Deontay, the Tyson-Deontay fight's not that exciting. | ||
| Right, but if Joshua wants real respect, he's got to fight either Fury or Deontay. | ||
| Those are the big fights. | ||
| Those are the big fights. | ||
| Obviously he gets respect. | ||
| He's the heavyweight champion of the world. | ||
| But split. | ||
| That's a weird thing too. | ||
| I'd like to see Joshua Ortiz. | ||
| That'd be an interesting fight. | ||
| It would be an interesting fight. | ||
| Because Ortiz can box and hit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that was what showed how goddamn powerful Deontay is. | ||
| That Ortiz was winning that fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I think it was the 10th round. | ||
| I think it was the 7th or 10th. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| But I remember when he caught him, I was like, God, that guy, even late in the fight, that guy carries that power. | ||
| Ortiz is past his prime. | ||
| Let's slow down there, Lewis. | ||
| Past his prime. | ||
| He's a good fighter, but give him like 10 years, and he would have beat these guys. | ||
| He would have given them a good fight. | ||
| But right now, he's obviously older, and he's an old fighter. | ||
| Yeah, well, they caught him doing some steroids. | ||
| A lot of times, guys get older, they try to juice up the old body. | ||
| Yeah, so, you know, when you reach that point where you need steroids, mentally it affects you. | ||
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| You know, you go into the ring and it's like, you know, you're missing something. | ||
| Something that was there in the past and it made you feel good. | ||
| Now, I don't feel as good. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When you were fighting, did anybody that you were fighting, did you suspect that they were on something? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, a couple times. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the good thing is that I know is I realize steroids... | ||
| Can never get this as strong. | ||
| Your chin. | ||
| Chin. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you can take as much steroids as you want, but I'm going to hit you on the chin. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can't put muscles on your face. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, you know, these body punches, you can't protect around here. | ||
| So they'll affect you as well. | ||
| So that's where, you know, when you're hitting guys around here, body punches and you hit them on the chin, doesn't matter. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| But don't you think that it makes them stronger physically, gives them more vitality, might make them able to absorb more punishment? | ||
| For a minute. | ||
| For a minute. | ||
| Just for a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, for a little bit. | ||
| Who'd you suspect was on something when you fought him? | ||
| I don't want to say. | ||
| You don't want to say? | ||
| Let me say. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
| I think Evander... | ||
| I think. | ||
| Evander was the first guy, as far as I'm concerned, was the first guy on steroids back in the day. | ||
| You look at the fucking size of that guy in the late 90s, especially when he fought Lennox. | ||
| Have you ever asked him if he's been on steroids? | ||
| No, I've never actually hung out with Evander. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I might have met your victory party 20 years ago. | ||
| He did hang around with the guys that were, like, into it. | ||
| Yeah, that Mark, whatever his name was, he was the first guy to have, like, a strength and conditioning coach and all that kind of stuff, a dietitian. | ||
| Spinks did when he fought Larry Holmes. | ||
| Same guy, Mackie Shilstone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Mackie Shilstone got him in shape for Larry when he was coming up from light heavyweight. | ||
| Yeah, that's the same guy that Evander used. | ||
| It was really interesting because at the time, the conventional wisdom was that boxers should not lift weights. | ||
| And Evander was lifting all kinds of weights. | ||
| And he put on all this muscle. | ||
| But really, he was only about 200, 205 pounds when he first fought as a heavier. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| He was built. | ||
| I mean, he was built. | ||
| It was a perfect body. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hey, look at that. | ||
| That's not steroids? | ||
| Look at the neck. | ||
| That's steroids, buddy. | ||
| No, not necessarily. | ||
| You definitely can get that big without it. | ||
| I mean, there are guys. | ||
| The word's alleged. | ||
| Yeah, alleged is a good word. | ||
| But it's also possible to get that big with steroids. | ||
| But it's not just steroids, too. | ||
| It's EPO. Look at that one up there. | ||
| Yeah, but this is in the 80s and 90s. | ||
| The good stuff wasn't available back then, was it? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| What are you kidding me, man? | ||
| Those Russians had everything back then, man. | ||
| I mean, the Eastern Bloc women, they made world records. | ||
| That was when he was a cruiserweight. | ||
| Look how thin he was. | ||
| Yeah, but you can't call them women if they had mustaches. | ||
| Or penises. | ||
| They had thick beards and fat dicks. | ||
| They set records that still to this day haven't been broken. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And because they really were not women. | ||
| I mean, they were women with massive amounts of male hormones in their body. | ||
| Flo Jo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She, I think, still sets the record right now. | ||
| For whatever it was. | ||
| And she was also someone that was accused of doing things. | ||
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| I mean, look. | ||
| Track and field, according to Victor Conte, who was the Balco guy. | ||
| I had him on my podcast. | ||
| He was the guy that got the clear to Barry Bonds and all those guys. | ||
| Supposedly undetectable steroids. | ||
| He said track and field is just a dirty sport. | ||
| Just like Tour de France. | ||
| Just like cycling. | ||
| He's a dirty sport. | ||
| You got Carl Lewis trying to call out Usain Bolt now, right? | ||
| What are you showing us, James? | ||
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This is the top 100 meter times. | |
| All the names crossed out. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
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Steroids. | |
| Wow! | ||
| It's everyone but Usain Bolt. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Well, that's like when Lance Armstrong won the Tour de France and they took his title away. | ||
| If you had to give that title to someone who didn't test positive for anything, you had to go back to 18th place. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That was a dirty sport! | ||
| You know, Bill Burr said it best. | ||
| He goes, our psycho was better than your psycho. | ||
| You were all dirty. | ||
| It was a dirty sport. | ||
| He was just better at doing that sport while being dirty. | ||
| Yeah, if everybody's dirty, then it's fair. | ||
| Well, he won. | ||
| He won while everybody was cheating. | ||
| I mean, did he have... | ||
| So is it still cheating if everybody's doing it? | ||
| It is and it isn't. | ||
| I mean, it is definitely cheating. | ||
| But everybody's cheating. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| See, you know, they went after the wrong thing. | ||
| You know, people are looking for drugs to help them get stronger. | ||
| When it's natural food that makes you stronger. | ||
| It's what you put into your system. | ||
| So, you know, I know Jamaican food is great. | ||
| You know, yams, plantains, everything. | ||
| Bully beef? | ||
| Bully beef. | ||
| You know what's better than that? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Steroids. | ||
| Steroids are way better. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They work instantly. | ||
| It's so much better if you just stay on them. | ||
| Like, guys like Lance Armstrong, I mean, they proved it. | ||
| You almost can't do Tour de France the way they were doing it without some sort of chemical help. | ||
| I've heard it argued by physiologists. | ||
| They say it's actually better for your body to be on steroids while you're doing something like the Tour de France because you give your body a chance to recover because they're doing so much work over the course of this race that without having some sort of chemical enhancement of your ability to recover, you're just not going to be able to do it healthy. | ||
| Your body can't do that on its own. | ||
| You get that rhabdomyelosis that those CrossFit people get, you know, that's when your body starts breaking down muscle tissue and it becomes toxic. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Pollutes your liver. | ||
| How do you do that? | ||
| They work out so hard that people have died of it. | ||
| Fighters have died from rhabdomyelosis. | ||
| It's from overtraining. | ||
| You overtrain, which is a big issue with fighters, right? | ||
| Some fighters can train too much, and a good trainer knows how to pull you back so that you're peaking when you get into the ring. | ||
| But sometimes people are so mentally strong, they push themselves through even when they're exhausted because they think that's the way to victory. | ||
| Hard work. | ||
| What's up, Jamie? | ||
| Yeah, your piss comes out looking like Coke. | ||
| Comes out looking like Coca-Cola. | ||
| That's what rhabdomylysis piss looks like. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, that's a sign that your body's breaking down. | ||
| Your muscle is... | ||
| Your proteins in your body are breaking down and your body is getting poisoned by it. | ||
| People die. | ||
| A lot of CrossFit people get it. | ||
| It's your kidneys. | ||
| What do you do in that situation? | ||
| Do you take a rest, a leave of absence, or do you go see the doctor and they can give you some pills to put more things that you need in your system? | ||
| I think you have to go to the doctor almost immediately. | ||
| I think they have to do IV. You pretty much, your body goes septic on you, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's very dangerous. | ||
| And a lot of these CrossFit people, you know, because it's a competition, and you're competing against all these other people, and you're doing these massive repetitions, and some of them, they're not really conditioned for it yet. | ||
| So their body's just, the muscle's not really acclimated to this kind of workload, and this shit starts breaking down. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| What do you do these days? | ||
| Like, for exercise? | ||
| Because you still look great. | ||
| Yeah, I ran 10 miles this morning. | ||
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| Yeah, man. | ||
| What? | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Where'd you go? | ||
| I mean, I went on the road. | ||
| But where'd you run? | ||
| On the beach. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah, I woke up and took a shower. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| So you're still... | ||
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You did that? | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I feel like I don't know you anymore. | ||
| I ran... | ||
| You guys don't even catch the joke. | ||
| I ran 10 miles and I woke up and took a shower. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| You're a comedian. | ||
| You're supposed to know that. | ||
| But listen, listen, listen. | ||
| All right? | ||
| That's a bad joke. | ||
| First of all, sit down. | ||
| Tell him. | ||
| Tell him. | ||
| You know, he used to do this shit to me back in the day. | ||
| I'd be at his house and I was like, I'm in his basement. | ||
| I go, it started to rain. | ||
| I go, Len, I got to go outside and close my sunroof. | ||
| And he's like, no, hold on a second. | ||
| Let me tell you a story. | ||
| I go, Len, let me just go close my fucking sunroof. | ||
| I was like, hold on, let me just tell you a story. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, it's raining and my sunroof is open. | ||
| Are you going to pay for my fucking car to get fixed? | ||
| He's like, hold on. | ||
| Yo, there's this guy, right? | ||
| And I'm like, come on! | ||
| And he goes into this fucking long story. | ||
| And he goes, he's trying to get out this window and I'm pulling his leg and I'm pulling his leg and I go, and he goes, this is the way I'm pulling your leg right now. | ||
| And I'm like, the fucker. | ||
| Do you ever do yoga? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You look like a guy who get into yoga. | ||
| I actually hurt myself doing yoga. | ||
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| It's much harder than it looks, dude. | ||
| I'm flexible. | ||
| If I stand up, I can put both my hands on the ground like that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| With my legs straight. | ||
| But somebody told me, oh, you know what? | ||
| You got to move your bum cheeks a little back, and that helps you get down a little more. | ||
| And I'm like, okay. | ||
| Bum cheeks a little back. | ||
| Pop! | ||
| After a couple days, it's like, you know, I'm walking around saying I hurt myself, and he goes, yoga? | ||
| Yeah, I say, yeah, I hurt myself too. | ||
| I'm like, I didn't know you can hurt yourself in yoga. | ||
| You can hurt yourself in yoga. | ||
| Yeah, my doctor told me a lot of people come to him with injuries, back injuries from yoga. | ||
| What is that, mentally saying that you can do it when your body's saying you can't? | ||
| Or just doing something wrong. | ||
| Just doing something wrong. | ||
| Especially if you do it too hard, too quick. | ||
| Yoga is like anything else. | ||
| I mean, it's exercise. | ||
| You definitely can hurt yourself. | ||
| Do you do the hot yoga or cold yoga? | ||
| I haven't tried the hot one. | ||
| I want to, but I do cold yoga. | ||
| I like hot because it's also torturous. | ||
| I like that aspect of it. | ||
| And also, there's a Harvard study that's going on right now where they're trying to find out if there's the same benefits that you get from the sauna you get from doing hot yoga. | ||
| When your body gets really overheated like that, it produces heat shock proteins and it alleviates a lot of inflammation in the body. | ||
| That's why the sauna is so good for you. | ||
| The dry sauna? | ||
| Yeah, dry sauna. | ||
| Your body, you get in there, your body's like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| And so it produces these cytokines, these heat shock proteins, and it's fantastic for people just for overall issues. | ||
| Yeah, my hands don't hurt when I'm in the sauna. | ||
| You should get one in your house, man. | ||
| I got one. | ||
| I got a sauna in the house. | ||
| Oh, it's nice, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You should go in every day, man. | ||
| Dude, you should be in there every day. | ||
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I should. | |
| Especially because you're doing jujitsu now, you know, after training. | ||
| It's fantastic for you. | ||
| Really, really good. | ||
| I just go sit in the tub with Epsom salt. | ||
| That's good, too. | ||
| That's good, too. | ||
| I don't think that works, Epsom salt. | ||
| It makes you feel good going to bed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm nice and relaxed. | ||
| I go to sleep. | ||
| Aromatherapy type of thing. | ||
| It smells good. | ||
| But it's not that. | ||
| There's magnesium in it. | ||
| No. | ||
| Epsom salt, your body absorbs magnesium through your skin. | ||
| It's one of the best ways for your body to get magnesium is actually through Epsom salts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, I'm going to take more of that. | ||
| Yeah, I have a float tank. | ||
| You ever do a float tank? | ||
| Is that the cold water one? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's a tank of water that's heated to 94 degrees, which is like the surface of your skin, and there's 1,000 pounds of Epsom salts in there. | ||
| And you lay in it, and you float. | ||
| Half your body is above the water, and then you close the door. | ||
| Total silence, total darkness, and it feels like you're flying through space. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| You would love it, man. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Especially being the cerebral. | ||
| You've been telling me about this one for years. | ||
| Dude, I got one right here. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Anytime you want. | ||
| But isn't it kind of gross to sit in somebody else's? | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| First of all, it's only me. | ||
| I'm the only one who sits in it. | ||
| And I know how gross you are. | ||
| I'm clean right now. | ||
| There's a massive filtration system. | ||
| It's like there's got a commercial filtration system. | ||
| I can just drop in and be like, John, I'm just going to go float. | ||
| Anytime, man. | ||
| Just text me and I'll have Jeff come by and open it up for you. | ||
| Or do it while we're doing a show. | ||
| You have to be naked when you do it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you got to be naked. | ||
| Don't have to worry. | ||
| Don't be scared, homie. | ||
| Everything floats, so anything that's in there will be floating. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I know what you're scared of. | ||
| I'll show you the whole system. | ||
| There's an ozone system that purifies the water. | ||
| It goes through this commercial filtration system. | ||
| It's heavy-duty stuff, man. | ||
| It's pretty intense. | ||
| Because they've started these flotation tank centers now. | ||
| Yeah, they're everywhere. | ||
| You were talking about this for the past 10 years. | ||
| More. | ||
| I had one in 2002. I remember when I went to your house back in the day, when you were doing this podcast out of the house. | ||
| Yeah, I had one in the basement. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What about the ice one? | ||
| Oh, that's great. | ||
| Yeah, cryotherapy. | ||
| There's a place down the street from here, about a couple miles away. | ||
| 250 degrees below zero. | ||
| I thought you would have had one of those, too. | ||
| No, that's like you have to get nitrogen tanks and shit. | ||
| I worry about that stuff exploding. | ||
| Some shit going wrong and you're getting maimed. | ||
| So do you enjoy doing commentary too? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love giving my opinion. | ||
| You know, people always say I've got unusual opinions. | ||
| They've never heard that before or never heard it put that way. | ||
| So, you know, I can give you from a fighter's point of view. | ||
| I've been in boxing for so long, there's different experiences that I've gone through, so I'm happy to share them. | ||
| But you don't ever work out boxing-wise anymore? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you don't hit a bag? | ||
| My son's 15 and I know he wants to box. | ||
| So anytime we get a chance, I'm always training him. | ||
| How big is he now? | ||
| Six feet. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's taller than you. | ||
| Tyson's son. | ||
| Tyson's son is 16. Oh, Miguel, yeah. | ||
| Tyson's son was saying that he wants a box too. | ||
| Tyson's like, listen, Miguel. | ||
| No, Miguel's not built like that. | ||
| But he's also saying, listen, you grew up soft. | ||
| And he's saying, you don't want to meet someone like me. | ||
| You know, like, the way he was. | ||
| Yeah, I know Mike's kids. | ||
| He's saying, like, you don't want to meet some animal like me. | ||
| You know, like, when he was fighting, like, he thinks of what he would have done to his own son. | ||
| He's like, oh, don't do that. | ||
| Like, he was talking about it on the podcast. | ||
| And his son Miguel's a really talented kid, like, musician-wise. | ||
| He can play, like, seven different instruments. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He speaks Spanish. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The kid's really, and he's a really smart, nice kid. | ||
| Well, Tyson's a smart guy. | ||
| He's not, like, he has a... | ||
| Oh, I think people mistake Tyson for being a dummy. | ||
| He's very smart. | ||
| He's very, very intelligent, well-read. | ||
| Boxing is, in at least some levels, a very, very intellectual pursuit. | ||
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| You have to have a strong mind to be able to dodge those punches, get in and get yours in. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| You have to be able to sort out that problem. | ||
| There's a problem in front of you. | ||
| The problem is another man who's the same weight as you, the same size as you. | ||
| He's got gloves on just like you do and he's trying to do what you're trying to do to him. | ||
| And you have to do that within seconds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Punches thrown at you. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| What's the rebuttal? | ||
| People don't understand. | ||
| They think just because someone doesn't have the best vocabulary or because they don't have a comprehensive education that they're not intelligent. | ||
| That's a big mistake. | ||
| No. | ||
| Tyson's intelligent. | ||
| I remember going to the Catskills when I was I won the World Junior Championships in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. | ||
| And I remember the American team was saying, oh, well, you never fought the best. | ||
| I'm like, I didn't fight the best. | ||
| I thought Americans said the best team. | ||
| Yeah, but one guy, he doesn't like taking plans and his managers don't like taking plans either. | ||
| So I'm like, who's that? | ||
| And they told me it was Mike Tyson, custom model. | ||
| So me and my trainer, we left Canada and we drove all the way up there. | ||
| And while we were up there, Razor Roddick was up there and they said, oh, Razor Roddick came, didn't spy with us. | ||
| I said, okay, I'll spy with you. | ||
| I'm here for four days. | ||
| So first time Tyson actually met me, You know, he was a nice guy, really nice guy. | ||
| He took me in his room, showed me some old flicks that I've never seen before of old-time fighters who would tell me about each fighter like he studied them. | ||
| And then, you know, this is where he got his style of fighting from. | ||
| And first day in the gym, Bell went, he came across, and he was trying to kill me. | ||
| Like, you know, I did my Muhammad Ali thing, obviously stayed away from his power, but the first day was really hectic, and then the second day was a little hectic, and it got better as it went along. | ||
| And the last day is, I got actually the better of him the last day, and I remember Customato saying, Mike, you're going to meet him someday, don't you do that! | ||
| And that always echoed in my mind that, will we ever fight? | ||
| Will we ever fight? | ||
| Because Customato said that we're going to fight. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And it did happen. | ||
| And there's footage of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Lennox has the footage of it. | ||
| Footage of the training sessions? | ||
| The sparring. | ||
| How old was Tyson at the time? | ||
| Tyson was like a, he was about 52. No, no. | ||
| How old was he at the time? | ||
| Oh, at the time? | ||
| 15. He was younger than me. | ||
| I was 17. He was about 17. Wow. | ||
| I was 18. No, he was younger than that. | ||
| That must have been crazy. | ||
| No, because it was 84. It was before the Empire State Games and everything. | ||
| You went up there before you went to the 84 Olympics. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, it must have been crazy, though, knowing that you guys were going to be a part of boxing history, knowing that all the way back then, being a teenager, and standing in front and hearing Customato scream that out. | ||
| That must have been intense. | ||
| It was intense because Kosta Mata wasn't that loud. | ||
| When all of a sudden he became loud, it was like everybody listened. | ||
| And then there's certain ways that you get across to people and some people, you have to shout at them. | ||
| Did you ever wish that you fought him in his prime? | ||
| In essence, I did fight him in his prime. | ||
| And, you know, when you say prime, I was in my prime, too. | ||
| But you were definitely in your prime. | ||
| But I feel like his enthusiasm had waned before then, you know? | ||
| Um... | ||
| This is my perception. | ||
| How I look at that whole thing is Mike Tyson was an early bloomer. | ||
| I was a late bloomer. | ||
| So when both of us meet, there's never a perfect time. | ||
| Perfect time for us is when we meet in the middle. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And if he won, maybe people would look at it differently. | ||
| It's because you beat him and beat him so soundly that people look at it like maybe his time had already been gone. | ||
| Yeah, Lennox turned pro after Mike had already had a defeat. | ||
| Wow, no kidding. | ||
| Mike's turned pro in 89. Wow, I never even thought of that. | ||
| Mike lost in January of 89. Yeah, this is us up in Catskills. | ||
| Look at you. | ||
| Look at Kevin Rooney. | ||
| Wow, that is crazy, man. | ||
| God, that's crazy. | ||
| He was built back then, too. | ||
| He had a big neck. | ||
| Yeah, he was always doing those neck bridges. | ||
| But he also just had freak genetics. | ||
| Just a phenomenal genetic specimen. | ||
| You know, I had Teddy Atlas in here. | ||
| And Teddy Atlas used to take Mike to these smokers when he was 13. And Teddy was joking around about it. | ||
| He said, everybody always lied about how old people were. | ||
| They would tell you the kid was 16 and really he was 20. They always did that. | ||
| And he said, he goes, so how old is this kid? | ||
| He goes, 13. He goes, what does he weigh? | ||
| He goes, 190 pounds. | ||
| I was like, what the fuck, Teddy? | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| He's like, I'm telling you, he's fucking 13. What do you want? | ||
| So, you know, nobody would believe it because he was such a specimen. | ||
| I watched that one. | ||
| Yeah, Teddy was great, man. | ||
| Do you think he should have stayed with Teddy? | ||
| Should've stayed with Kevin and Teddy. | ||
| Well, he definitely... | ||
| You know, he was so wild. | ||
| Like, how could you tell him what to do back then? | ||
| That was part of the problem. | ||
| I mean, he was never... | ||
| No one ever prepared him. | ||
| And this is one of the things that we discussed on the podcast was that he was a 12-year-old, 13-year-old boy, and he was getting hypnotized. | ||
| He came from a terrible background. | ||
| There was no love. | ||
| He was abandoned. | ||
| And all of a sudden, he's getting love and attention for something. | ||
| And this one thing was this man... | ||
| Who was telling him, you're going to be a great fighter. | ||
| You're going to be a world champion. | ||
| And he would hypnotize him, saying, you don't exist. | ||
| The task exists. | ||
| You're going to work the body and destroy this man. | ||
| And he would put these thoughts in his head, and Mike couldn't wait to just get out there and fuck people up, because that's where he got the love. | ||
| That's where he got the attention from. | ||
| But he never told him how to shut it off. | ||
| He didn't have time to work with him, because he was on his way out. | ||
| He was dying when he met Mike. | ||
| And so he only taught him how to destroy. | ||
| He never taught him how to cope. | ||
| He never taught him how to understand that there's going to be a lot of shit coming your way. | ||
| And you've got to know what that is. | ||
| And don't get caught up in that hype train. | ||
| Don't get wrapped up in Hollywood and, you know, he wound up marrying Robin Givens and, you know, all that. | ||
| I don't think Cuss foresaw all that other bullshit. | ||
| No. | ||
| How could he have? | ||
| No, if Cuss was around, Mike would be totally different. | ||
| He would have been a different man. | ||
| If Cuss lasted another 15 years. | ||
| Even if Jimmy Jacobs had lasted another five years. | ||
| Maybe, yeah. | ||
| It would have helped, but I mean, it's like once removed from Cuss. | ||
| It's like Kevin Rooney was once removed from Cuss, right? | ||
| And then Teddy Atlas was way more of a hardliner. | ||
| You know, Teddy Atlas you couldn't put any bullshit with. | ||
| And those other guys, you just got to go, ah. | ||
| Then you got to Aaron Snowell and all those guys that were with him. | ||
| Yeah, those guys were bummed. | ||
| Richard Giacchetti. | ||
| They could have never brought Mike to the dance. | ||
| They got there when he was already at the dance, and they're just trying to maintain things, and he's not listening to anybody. | ||
| They also weren't boxing people, as far as I was concerned. | ||
| When he was up with Cus, he was in a good situation. | ||
| You know, there was a lady in the house cooking meals. | ||
| They had Cus there being a father figure, talked to him every day. | ||
| And that's what young kids need. | ||
| They need that, you know, to be spoken with by older people. | ||
| And, you know, a lot of young people nowadays are not even respecting the older people, but they can gain a lot of information from an older person. | ||
| You know, how do you deal with this situation? | ||
| Well, you know, you hear from an older person, it kind of makes your mind think and say, you know, you're right. | ||
| It works for them. | ||
| So anytime I get a chance to talk to kids about, you know, their life and where they're going, always take that opportunity. | ||
| Well, you're such a great example of a guy who has done incredible things, but you've come out on the other end with wisdom and lessons and honesty, and you can talk about things and people will listen to you in a way that, you know, a lot of kids, they don't want to listen to someone who ain't done shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You talk to some guy who's just some boring dude who wants to give you advice, like, hey, fuckface, how about get your own shit together? | ||
| Tell me what to do, bitch. | ||
| But when you're Lennox Lewis and you talk to a kid, they go, oh, okay. | ||
| You know, chess master, world heavyweight champion. | ||
| What's that school you got in Jamaica now? | ||
| You got a boxing school there now, right? | ||
| Yeah, Lennox Lewis League of Champions. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| Yeah, it's for young kids that, you know, learning how to box, we teach them how to box, we teach them life skills as well, because what we realize that, you know, a lot of the kids just want to talk, you know, there's nobody around them to talk, nobody listens to them, and when they hear other kids' stories, they feel a lot better, it's like, yo, you know, and when they hear other kids' stories, they feel a lot better, it's like, yo, you know, I was going through that, and I liked You know, it's like this is what's missing nowadays. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The relationship with kids, you know, talking to them. | ||
| You know, just ask them how they are. | ||
| Ask them what they're doing. | ||
| What do they want to be? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, and then have some place where they can go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then have something that gives them a sense of value, you know. | ||
| And that's what a lot of sports does to children. | ||
| It gives them, you realize if you work hard and you try something and you study it and you get better at it, you feel good. | ||
| Like you accomplished it. | ||
| You got through whatever the sport is. | ||
| A lot of the kids that come boxing. | ||
| Boxing, I've never tried it before, but once they try it, it's like, wow, they learn new things about themselves. | ||
| Even the training of boxing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, the fact of, let's run a mile. | ||
| They never ran in their life, never ran. | ||
| Now they've run half a mile, didn't make the mile, but the next day they want to try the mile. | ||
| And it shows them that if you keep working at something, you'll accomplish it. | ||
| You know, don't give up. | ||
| All of a sudden you tried it and it's like, oh no, it's not for me. | ||
| Keep trying it. | ||
| You don't know it's not for you until you keep trying it and then realize it's not for you or for you. | ||
| What are you going to do if your son wants to fight? | ||
| Let him. | ||
| Yeah, I think your perspective would be very different than Mike's. | ||
| Yeah, for me, you know, I'm not forcing my son to box, but if he wants to try it, let him try it. | ||
| His father used to box, so why not try something his father did? | ||
| Maybe he has the gene for it. | ||
| You know, right now my son plays basketball. | ||
| He wants to be an actor. | ||
| He loves boxing. | ||
| He can do anything he wants. | ||
| You know, all my kids are talented, and I see the drive in them that I have and their mother has, so I know that they're going to be successful. | ||
| You know, they've... | ||
| They're basically, I'm trying to help them to become successful in the future and give them the tools to become successful in the future as well. | ||
| Good for you, man. | ||
| What a lucky young man. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you know, and young women too. | ||
| Yeah, well, what a great situation to be your son, you know what I mean? | ||
| And your daughters as well, but for sure. | ||
| But I mean to be your son if you really do have a desire to box would you start training him? | ||
| You know talking to George Foreman the other day and his daughter one of his daughters were fighting like Isn't her name George? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Everyone's named George. | ||
| She's Georgina or something, right? | ||
| Some crazy shit. | ||
| He's got like eight Georges in his house. | ||
| I said, and I'm watching her fight. | ||
| They know by the tone, apparently. | ||
| Which one it is? | ||
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| The inflection on the... | ||
| I'm watching her fight and I'm like, George, you need to tell her some stuff. | ||
| I know there's some good things you can tell her or even get her a proper coach or, you know, help her. | ||
| Don't want her to fight. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's all you have to say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if you don't want her to fight and she's fighting, you're not going to help her. | ||
| She's going to get hurt. | ||
| So you might as well. | ||
| I think she stopped already anyway. | ||
| My approach to raising kids is I don't have any input onto what they do. | ||
| I would never tell my kid, I don't want you to do that. | ||
| Because it's not my life. | ||
| It's their life. | ||
| I give them guidance if I can. | ||
| I'll talk to them about what they're doing if I can. | ||
| But they also have to go out and do it themselves. | ||
| I really firmly believe in that. | ||
| You've got to go do it yourself. | ||
| But if you want to do it, that's your thing. | ||
| I try to convince my daughter to want to do jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I said, sweetheart, I'll get you a pink gi if you want. | ||
| My kids were doing martial arts for a while. | ||
| My middle daughter was doing jiu-jitsu and my youngest daughter was doing MMA. But she got bored with it after a while. | ||
| Which is cool too. | ||
| 10 and 8. Who knows? | ||
| Maybe they'll come back to it. | ||
| I kind of whisper to my son right now, you need to do some wrestling. | ||
| Glenn, get him in jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| Do you think you'd fight MMA? I don't know what the future holds. | ||
| He may fight MMA. Listen, if he's going to fight, he should box. | ||
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Why? | |
| Just because of the money factor. | ||
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| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Honestly, I mean... | ||
| But if you're a heavyweight... | ||
| You know, if you're a heavyweight MMA fan, you can make a lot of money. | ||
| Yeah, well, he certainly will be. | ||
| It's like, if you met Lennox's brother, Dennis, they're nothing alike. | ||
| Well, just look at Lennox's bones. | ||
| I mean, you'd have a goddamn chance of being anything but a heavyweight. | ||
| It's like a child holding a fist up to a man. | ||
| Yeah, I have a pretty big fist, but yours are gigantic, man. | ||
| You know? | ||
| You're a huge human being, you know? | ||
| Your kid's going to be a heavyweight. | ||
| Oh, he's going to be a heavyweight. | ||
| He's already a heavyweight. | ||
| Listen, he's six foot, and he wears size 15 shoes. | ||
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Bah! | |
| He doesn't need to fight. | ||
| You just keep a pair of his shoes by the front door. | ||
| He's 15, so I think he's going to outgrow me. | ||
| That's like a puppy. | ||
| He's going to be enormous. | ||
| Why do kids outgrow their parents? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think it's food. | ||
| I think they get better food than us. | ||
| You think about how much protein children have now. | ||
| Have you ever go back and look at how big men were during the Civil War period? | ||
| They were tiny. | ||
| They were like 100 pounds. | ||
| They were tiny little people because nobody had good food. | ||
| Everybody was barely surviving. | ||
| Everyone was scraping by. | ||
| That was bread and water times. | ||
| Yeah, the people that made it across the West. | ||
| You ever see photos of those folks? | ||
| Those skinny, rickety looking people just starving to death. | ||
| Tougher than we could ever be. | ||
| Oh my God, they were little wolves. | ||
| Oh yeah, they're up in the early in the morning working. | ||
| They had to survive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But now today, kids are getting massive amounts of protein and they get vitamins and vegetables and drinking... | ||
| All this milk. | ||
| The food's got shit in it. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| There's that, too. | ||
| There's that, too. | ||
| But I just think it's just an abundance of nutrition. | ||
| I mean, when people were smaller, a lot of it was because of malnutrition. | ||
| Like, look at Asian folks. | ||
| Like, a lot of Japanese folks used to be much smaller. | ||
| Now they're pretty fucking big. | ||
| You're getting some really big Japanese fighters. | ||
| Like, they're larger people. | ||
| Those guys are huge. | ||
| They're eating better. | ||
| You know what I wanted to ask you? | ||
| Please. | ||
| Conspiracy theories. | ||
| I know you have some. | ||
| Yeah, I got some. | ||
| I was listening to you about something about Martians the other day. | ||
| That was probably Alex Jones. | ||
| Alex and Eddie. | ||
| Oh my god, I saw an amazing NASA shirt I was going to buy for Eddie the other day. | ||
| Yeah, Alex wore a NASA shirt just to fuck with Eddie. | ||
| I watched it. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| Yeah, Eddie believes shit that even Alex thinks is ridiculous. | ||
| Like, what conspiracy theories do you want to know about? | ||
| No, I'm like, let me hear some. | ||
| Well, I believe less and less than I ever used to. | ||
| Population control. | ||
| Do you believe that? | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't believe that. | ||
| I don't believe there's any concerted effort where there's a bunch of really rich people that have decided to euthanize a bunch of people to keep the population low. | ||
| I think that's paranoid. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| There's probably some people that go, you know what? | ||
| We would be a lot healthier if there was less people. | ||
| But there's no obvious effort. | ||
| The population keeps fucking growing. | ||
| Imagine if you were the all-powerful, all-knowing people that are running the world, and you're doing such a shitty job of population control. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know how you're going to control India and China. | ||
| You're not. | ||
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| You're not getting in these fucking dirty villages and trying to stop people. | ||
| You're not doing it anywhere. | ||
| Even in this country, people are fucking like wild animals and just shooting out kids. | ||
| I got a kid coming next month. | ||
| Hey, I got three kids. | ||
| Yeah, like, look, it's just the way it is, man. | ||
| People like to fuck. | ||
| They like to make people. | ||
| Well, in China, you only allowed one kid. | ||
| No, I think they lifted that. | ||
| They lifted that because a lot of people were drowning their daughters. | ||
| It was horrible shit. | ||
| This is the rumor. | ||
| People wanted a son. | ||
| If they had a daughter, they would... | ||
| Yeah, a daughter was like the lose for you. | ||
| And to me, a daughter's a win because they're so much easier to deal with. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I'm fine with my daughter. | ||
| We're like this. | ||
| Yeah, you know what, man? | ||
| I mean, just be happy. | ||
| But I got a guy coming. | ||
| A boy coming next month. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You got to have the yin and the yang. | ||
| I got little Joseph Lennox Lewis Peters coming next month. | ||
| Joseph Lennox Rogan Peters. | ||
| He's going to be amazing. | ||
| I'm so happy that you gave him my name. | ||
| Yeah, that's beautiful. | ||
| I was going to give him your middle name, but I didn't want to do that to him. | ||
| What's your middle name? | ||
| Whoa, yes. | ||
| My middle name is Claudius. | ||
| Claudius? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That sounds like a Roman emperor. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I Claudius. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Hey, man, I know you're supposed to get out of here at 2 o'clock. | ||
| Do you have a hard out? | ||
| No. | ||
| No? | ||
| You can stay? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
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Good. | |
| Beautiful. | ||
| Let's keep talking. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, so back to your question. | ||
| I think there's definitely some people that are influencing the way the world works, for sure. | ||
| But I don't think there's anybody that's really trying to control population or euthanize. | ||
| What about this one? | ||
| Do you think the Russians put Donald Trump in the president's chair? | ||
| I think the Russians absolutely wanted Donald Trump to win. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I think they definitely undermined our democracy through various methods of manipulating people through social media. | ||
| In fact, I have a woman coming on very soon. | ||
| When is Renee DiResto on? | ||
| This week? | ||
| Next week. | ||
| She's on next week. | ||
| And she actually studied it and wrote this very comprehensive report about it. | ||
| It was on Sam Harris' podcast and detailed millions of interactions with Russian bots and Russian fake accounts and these troll farms that would create memes. | ||
| And they did a bunch of different things. | ||
| They didn't just try to pump Trump up, but they also tried to get people against each other and cause all sorts of civil arguments She's on next week. | ||
| Unrest. | ||
| Yeah, all sorts of unrest online. | ||
| They organized these meetings. | ||
| They organized one pro-Texas meeting across the street from a pro-Muslim meeting. | ||
| They did it on purpose. | ||
| Oh, I remember that. | ||
| They did it all through Facebook to get these people to fight with each other. | ||
| They're doing these things to try to get people to take sides and to get people to be angry at the other side. | ||
| They did a lot of shit like that, real sneaky, sneaky stuff that we probably do in foreign countries all the time. | ||
| And we're mad that they're doing it to us because now they're doing it through social media. | ||
| Well, if you think about when we were growing up in the 80s, 70s and 80s, all the imagery we saw of the USSR was very dark and gray and it was very barren and it was destitute. | ||
| Well, some of it was true, though. | ||
| Yeah, but that's all we saw. | ||
| And then all of a sudden that lifts and these hot fucking Russian chicks show up. | ||
| I'm like, what were these bitches this whole time? | ||
| Where was she in the propaganda? | ||
| That's so true. | ||
| You never saw the hot Russian ladies. | ||
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Never. | |
| They're some of the hottest women on the planet. | ||
| Yeah, they used to show us these big manly women. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| And now you're like, what? | ||
| Well, hello. | ||
| Where did that one come from? | ||
| They were hiding. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I have two friends that are married to Russian ladies. | ||
| They're very happy. | ||
| Now, the question, because you're American and everything, I'm not American, so is this wall ever going to get built or what's the situation? | ||
| I think it was more of a campaign rhetoric thing, you know, build that wall, build that wall. | ||
| So he's kind of staying with it to keep his supporters? | ||
| Yeah, I think he's got to kind of do something, right? | ||
| Once you say that you're going to build a wall, you've got to kind of do something. | ||
| But there ain't shit been built. | ||
| I mean, we're two years into the president, they haven't built shit. | ||
| What, there's a year left and a year and a half left left? | ||
| There is some wall. | ||
| There's some wall that's up, but there's also some big-ass gaps. | ||
| And the idea that they're going to stop drugs from coming over from that wall is crazy. | ||
| Right now the wall looks like Leon Spinks' mouth. | ||
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Ah! | |
| You son of a bitch. | ||
| People forgot about Leon Spinks, man. | ||
| I remember my parents were hippies, right? | ||
| But when Muhammad Ali lost to Leon Spinks, and then there was a rematch. | ||
| We watched it on television. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
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Everybody. | |
| Everybody wanted Ali to win. | ||
| People forget that Ali wasn't just a great boxer and a heavyweight champion of the world. | ||
| He represented people that were against the war. | ||
| He represented people that were against all of the discrimination and all the racism that people had experienced in the 50s and the 60s. | ||
| He was a different thing. | ||
| He represented the hope of this new generation, that this athlete would take a stand. | ||
| And he said, no Viet Cong ever did anything to me. | ||
| I'm not going over there and fighting anybody. | ||
| And they took away his ability to earn a living for three fucking years. | ||
| And he was a hero. | ||
| He could have given in. | ||
| He could have got a cushy job like Elvis or some shit. | ||
| And they would have had him go over there just to make it look like he was doing something. | ||
| He's like, no fucking chance. | ||
| He stood up for it. | ||
| My parents, who were hippies, wanted him to win. | ||
| I mean, my mom didn't give a fuck about boxing. | ||
| That's what he stood for. | ||
| I was a little kid. | ||
| I remember watching this on TV thinking, this is crazy. | ||
| My parents want to watch a boxing match because of what he stands for. | ||
| My dad felt that way about Joe Lewis and Robinson. | ||
| When Joe Lewis beat Max Schmeling. | ||
| Oh yeah, same. | ||
| It was a very similar thing. | ||
| He was beating Max Schmeling for the world. | ||
| I feel terrible for Max Schmeling because he was probably just caught up in all that shit. | ||
| Max even said he wasn't part of it. | ||
| He was just a pawn in the game. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| What about Jack Johnson? | ||
| That's my favorite. | ||
| That's the craziest of all stories. | ||
| I mean, other than Lennox Lewis. | ||
| Jack Johnson's my favorite. | ||
| That's the craziest of all stories, right? | ||
| Can you imagine what that guy must have experienced? | ||
| And the shit he said back then? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He would slick talk you bad. | ||
| My favorite one, there's a meme, a photo of him in his car. | ||
| I don't even know if the story's true. | ||
| About the $50? | ||
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Yes. | |
| I don't have change. | ||
| I'm coming back tonight. | ||
| Same speed. | ||
| Yeah, he got pulled over going 50. He had to give the guy $50. | ||
| That was the fee. | ||
| He gave the guy $100. | ||
| He goes, what's this for? | ||
| He goes, I'm going to be coming back later that night. | ||
| Same speed, motherfucker. | ||
| Then there's the story of him getting in a taxi, getting in the backseat of the taxi, and the guy goes, I don't drive Nigers. | ||
| And he reached over, pulled the guy into the backseat, got in the front, drove himself to where he had to get to. | ||
| And the guy's like, where's my fare? | ||
| Because I drove myself. | ||
| And he got out. | ||
| I wonder if that's true. | ||
| You know, he could wrestle. | ||
| These are all in his book. | ||
| You know, he wrestled? | ||
| This video of Jack Johnson wrestling. | ||
| He had a 13-inch wrist. | ||
| He was a gigantic human being. | ||
| For the time, but I think he was only 6'2". | ||
| They called him the Galveston Giant. | ||
| GQ magazine rated him as best-dressed athlete of the century in 2000. That's the wrong century. | ||
| Well, of the 20th century. | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| Get it. | ||
| In 2000, they did it. | ||
| Yeah, the whole 20th century. | ||
| Well, I don't think any of us could even imagine what it must have been like when he won the title and the kind of hate that he got. | ||
| All the people that wanted him to be killed. | ||
| But the shit he did was so gangster. | ||
| He would hit you, see your knees buckle, and hold you up. | ||
| And he would say things to the guys. | ||
| Not yet, sir. | ||
| Not yet, boss. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| You're going to have a longer night than this. | ||
| He would just torture these guys. | ||
| Yo, this guy knows boxing. | ||
| Did you ever see his fight with Stanley Ketchel? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The Boilermaker? | ||
| Yeah, Stanley Ketchel dropped him. | ||
| Yeah, that was supposed to be... | ||
| It was supposed to be a... | ||
| Exhibition? | ||
| An exhibition about him. | ||
| Stanley Ketchel was a middleweight, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then he hit him. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And then his teeth got stuck in his gloves. | ||
| Yeah, he smashed him. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| He had a fascinating style. | ||
| When they had those little gloves... | ||
| Yeah, what you guys don't realize, I was going to say, the little gloves, horse hair... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Different world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, little gloves were hard. | ||
| You break your fucking hands real easy, too, and MMA fighters... | ||
| But they hurt more. | ||
| Because they were not padded. | ||
| That shit hurt. | ||
| Well, it's like MMA gloves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| MMA fighters find out the hard way. | ||
| Like, you can't just... | ||
| You can open up with boxing and not even worry as much about what you're hitting. | ||
| You cannot do that if you're fighting bare knuckle. | ||
| No. | ||
| Have you seen that bare-knuckle boxing thing? | ||
| I was just going to say, what is this bare-knuckle resurgence? | ||
| I think these guys are tough. | ||
| Yeah, they're definitely tough. | ||
| But you've got pro boxers going in it now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who went in it? | ||
| Somebody... | ||
| A decent name was in it recently. | ||
| Well, a lot of UFC fighters. | ||
| Yeah, no matter that. | ||
| Their careers are over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They've gone in. | ||
| It's like a rugby or football. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| The rugby guys are tougher than the football players. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Italian guy is in it, too. | ||
| I saw him doing the bare knuckle thing. | ||
| Italian guy. | ||
| He was a UFC fighter. | ||
| From Italy? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| An Italian-American. | ||
| Oh, Phil Barone? | ||
| Yeah, Phil Barone. | ||
| Wasn't he doing the bare knuckle? | ||
| Yeah, he did one. | ||
| Yeah, quite a few MMA fighters. | ||
| Melvin Glar did some. | ||
| But it's sort of a last resort kind of thing. | ||
| Trying to pick up a paycheck. | ||
| Chris Lytle did it. | ||
| It's just a hard way to make a living. | ||
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What about 1FC? What's this guy knocking at the door? | |
| Is he saying the time? | ||
| Tell this motherfucker to sit down. | ||
| It's your boy. | ||
| Who, my guy? | ||
| Yeah, he's not gonna go. | ||
| Who, Eddie? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Mexican? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, he's good. | ||
| Don't fire him. | ||
| He's trying to get in. | ||
| The other guy's talking to him. | ||
| So Lennox's fella is talking to your fella. | ||
| My assistant? | ||
| My assistant knows better. | ||
| Well, people get silly. | ||
| It's like a good meal, you know. | ||
| Once you're enjoying this meal, you just want to finish it. | ||
| I know. | ||
| What do they have you doing after this? | ||
| Just more interviews. | ||
| They got me busy. | ||
| Boring-ass interviews, though. | ||
| What are you promoting? | ||
| Promoting the fights. | ||
| Which fights? | ||
| We haven't talked about any of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You couldn't promote a fart at a bean-eating contest. | ||
| We're talking about chess and... | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| You get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Tell your boy. | ||
| It's you. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| I'm good, Eddie. | ||
| Don't worry about me. | ||
| I've already told them. | ||
| I don't have to be somewhere until 4.30. | ||
| I'm going to put some two-way glass there where we can see out and they can't see in. | ||
| That's a good idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Silly boy trying to interrupt podcast. | ||
| Fucking Eddie. | ||
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Jesus, Eddie. | |
| Sean Porter is fighting this weekend. | ||
| Who's he fighting? | ||
| Ugas from Cuba. | ||
| Oh, they said Ugas. | ||
| I'm like, I don't know who. | ||
| It should be a good fight. | ||
| And this is on? | ||
| This is on Fox PPC. Oh, nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Porter's a champ right now, right? | ||
| He won the title from Thurman, didn't he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or did he win it from Danny Garcia? | ||
| Danny Garcia? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Don't you watch boxing? | ||
| Aren't you a boxer? | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Tell me, I'll tell you anything about the heavyweights. | ||
| Are you doing commentary on this tonight? | ||
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Blast beat Danny Garcia. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, he beat Danny Garcia. | ||
| So you're doing commentary on this? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| For Fox? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| It should be a good fight. | ||
| It should be a very good fight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, there it is, right there. | ||
| Oh, he grew his hair out. | ||
| Every time Sean Porter fights... | ||
| Who's that Smurf? | ||
| Oh, it's Lennox. | ||
| Every time Sean Porter fights, he's always a serious brawl. | ||
| You know, this guy reminds me of the old time fighters, the way this guy fights. | ||
| You know, it gives you a lot of pressure. | ||
| He's on you. | ||
| Somebody needs to help him tie his tie, though. | ||
| He doesn't mind taking the shot to punch you, so he mixes it up. | ||
| He's a tough guy. | ||
| That's this Saturday night? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of great fights coming out. | ||
| Mikey Garcia, Earl Spence Jr. Excited about that. | ||
| That's a very good fight. | ||
| Makes me nervous, though. | ||
| It makes me nervous. | ||
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Why? | |
| Why? | ||
| That's a great fight. | ||
| That's what everybody wants to see. | ||
| It's a great fight, but I like Mikey Garcia, but to me it's like... | ||
| I like both of those guys. | ||
| I like them both. | ||
| I think Mikey's plus in this fight is that Spence hasn't had pressure like this and Mikey doesn't tank out on anybody. | ||
| He does not gas out and he's not afraid to mix it up with you. | ||
| What about the size difference? | ||
| That's what I'm worried about. | ||
| It's the size difference, the weight difference. | ||
| I mean, I would have preferred Mikey had one more fight before he fought Spence, but they know what they're doing. | ||
| He's ready. | ||
| He's whole family's boxing specialists, you know. | ||
| I've trained with his brother before, with Robert. | ||
| Have you really? | ||
| In Oxnard? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at you. | ||
| Great gym. | ||
| Trained jiu-jitsu with John Jock Machado. | ||
| You're boxing with Robert Garcia. | ||
| Lomachenko was there training the day I went. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| Teddy's up there right now working with that light heavyweight Russian character. | ||
| Oh, that Uzek? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That kid's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, Uzek. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I trained over at Goosen's gym over the Christmas holidays. | ||
| Oh, did you really? | ||
| I hadn't boxed in two years. | ||
| Oh, my God, I suck. | ||
| My fucking hands hurt. | ||
| I'm like, God, fuck this sport. | ||
| What, your hands itself? | ||
| My hands were hurting after that. | ||
| Did you wrap them? | ||
| I wrapped them. | ||
| I may wrap them too tight. | ||
| Fucking, you got soft hands. | ||
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Don't make me square up, kid. | |
| It's been two years. | ||
| I was like, ah, how did I do this? | ||
| Gotta do it slow. | ||
| You know what it was? | ||
| Because he knew I used to train back in the day, so I was like, I want it to look good, and I'm like, ah. | ||
| Okay, let me help you. | ||
| You know what you do? | ||
| See, this is where the martial arts comes in, buddy. | ||
| Get this thing of sand, and you just start punching it. | ||
| Sand. | ||
| Toughen you up a little bit, son. | ||
| Toughen you up, son. | ||
| When I say my hands hurt, I meant like the joints. | ||
| My joints were hurting. | ||
| Well, you know what people do? | ||
| You ever see rice bags? | ||
| They stick their hand in rice bags. | ||
| They do a lot of this inside rice bags. | ||
| That apparently is very good for your hands. | ||
| I did that, but my mom got mad I was fucking up her rice. | ||
| So, um... | ||
| What did you do about it? | ||
| Your hands. | ||
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I went home and just soaked them. | |
| If you just get back to doing it, it'll come back to you. | ||
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Yeah, I know. | |
| I figured that much. | ||
| Bring a tennis ball everywhere. | ||
| I'm just like, I'm going to stick with jiu-jitsu. | ||
| It doesn't hurt as much. | ||
| Jiu-jitsu doesn't hurt your hands? | ||
| No. | ||
| I wear those little Luta gear guards. | ||
| What? | ||
| Luta gear. | ||
| Have you seen them? | ||
| They got these little finger guards that actually help. | ||
| What are they? | ||
| Strengthen. | ||
| They make a two finger and a three finger. | ||
| I have no idea what that is. | ||
| I wear the three finger. | ||
| It's just like a little cut off glove for your fingers. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Holds them together. | ||
| This ninja thing. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| Does it give you more traction too? | ||
| Not necessarily, but it just keeps your fingers together. | ||
| It keeps them from separating so you don't fucking pop your finger out. | ||
| That's probably good if you're a guitarist or some shit, huh? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| My mom uses some two for arthritis. | ||
| Oh, look at that. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Yeah, that's the two-finger joint. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I use the three. | ||
| I've never even fucked with those. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm old school, bro. | ||
| I just tape my shit up. | ||
| Yeah, but you're also fucking gorilla strong. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Why is it weird? | ||
| Because it's like playing with a fucking silverback gorilla. | ||
| Even when I watched you roll with Jean-Jacques that day, I was like, you want to roll? | ||
| I go, no, I don't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll do it now, but then I'm like, no, but... | ||
| I've been doing it a long time, man. | ||
| I started jujitsu in 96. We're rolling tomorrow, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm calling them now. | ||
| We're going to probably roll around 8.30 in the morning if that's cool with you. | ||
| Yeah, that works. | ||
| Yeah, we could do that. | ||
| What's different about jujitsu and wrestling? | ||
| What's the difference? | ||
| Depending upon whether or not you use the gi, the gi is a big factor because you can grab a hold of that. | ||
| It makes you more defensive minded because you can get caught in things. | ||
| You can get caught in submissions easier. | ||
| Submissions are the big thing, obviously. | ||
| But I do a lot of no gi. | ||
| I have a black belt no gi jujitsu and gi jujitsu. | ||
| I actually prefer no gi. | ||
| What do you want to do tomorrow? | ||
| We do whatever. | ||
| We do gi. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I just don't use it. | ||
| I just don't use the gi. | ||
| You know, I let people grab mine, but I try to use arm bars and chokes and things that I would do no gi. | ||
| That's how I trained from gi to no gi so that I could do both. | ||
| I just decided I'm just going to train in the gi like I don't have one on. | ||
| Like let people grab. | ||
| I'll be, I'll recognize that I have it on so people can grab me, but I don't grab theirs. | ||
| I just use over hooks and under hooks. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was trying to make a joke out of no gi. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Somebody having the gi. | ||
| Joe's a gi lord. | ||
| It is definitely a slower game. | ||
| Older dudes in particular, they seem to like the gi because they can kind of control you. | ||
| It's good for you and it could also be used against you, which is bad. | ||
| Well, if you have a winter coat on, man. | ||
| Like I always said, the worst thing to do is get in a fight with a judo black belt when you've got a winter coat on. | ||
| Or even a suit. | ||
| Even a sweater like that is good. | ||
| We're looking at you. | ||
| It's all gravy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You got your blue belt now, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When do you think you get a purple belt? | ||
| You're on your way, right? | ||
| I got to get some stripes. | ||
| I talked to JJ about it. | ||
| I go, dude, I'm trying to train more so I can get a stripe. | ||
| He goes, yeah, you're due for a stripe. | ||
| I go, well, I got to fucking train more so I can get the stripe. | ||
| I don't want the stripe. | ||
| I want to earn the stripe. | ||
| Are you doing things other than your jujitsu training in terms of like physical training? | ||
| Maybe a little dumbbells and yoga ball. | ||
| Yeah, that's it? | ||
| You should get a trainer. | ||
| It'll make a big difference. | ||
| Think about your body as like a race car, right? | ||
| If you could just lift weights and your race car would go faster, wouldn't you do that? | ||
| If there was a thing you could do, you could make your race car? | ||
| I do my little dumbbells, but my elbow fucking hurts lately, so I quit being a baby. | ||
| This is the thing I was talking about. | ||
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What do you do? | |
| For tennis elbow? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I was having a problem with my elbow. | ||
| You hold it like that, like you twist it, like this, and then you untwist it with your arm. | ||
| So you hold it like this, twist, and then untwist it. | ||
| You do it slowly, and it works on these tendons, the same tendons that you get. | ||
| But it's just so shitty how I got it from fucking sleeping. | ||
| Could we have him try that right now? | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Damn, that's a lot heavier than it looks. | ||
| So you twist it? | ||
| And then untwist it. | ||
| Yeah, like twist it like that, right? | ||
| And then level it out and then slowly untwist it. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just gonna do it over and over and over again. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| It's far more dense than it looks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's great for your tendons. | ||
| It specifically works this part of your arm, like down in here. | ||
| Now you just look like you're jerking off, Len. | ||
| That's good, too. | ||
| You know what else is good? | ||
| A roller. | ||
| You know, like when you have one of those cords. | ||
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Those foam rollers? | |
| No, a cord with like a weight at the bottom of it, and you've got to roll it with your wrists. | ||
| Oh, yeah, we used to do that in boxing back in the day. | ||
| Those are great. | ||
| People just used to fabricate them in the gym. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I remember those. | ||
| Yeah, like a stick with a roller. | ||
| Those are great, yeah. | ||
| I have one of those out there, too. | ||
| It's just, that's one of the best exercises. | ||
| Yeah, for your forearms, right? | ||
| Yeah, for your forearms and gripping. | ||
| Just have that kind of strength. | ||
| Good. | ||
| You would be awesome at jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I guarantee you. | ||
| Because you're a chess player. | ||
| And jiu-jitsu is very cerebral. | ||
| Boxing, obviously, is very cerebral, too. | ||
| But you're limited in your weapons. | ||
| You don't have a certain amount of angles you can punch from. | ||
| Whereas jiu-jitsu, there's an endless combination of transitions. | ||
| You get some time to think in certain positions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I had a teacher that did Aikido? | ||
| Yeah, with the bones. | ||
| That's what he did to that dude in the jewelry shop. | ||
| I did half Aikido, half Jiu Jitsu. | ||
| He did something to me and I realized, okay, I gotta watch out for that. | ||
| It's where a person manipulates your bone and then drops their whole weight on it. | ||
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Yeah, that shit could break your hand too. | |
| If you don't go with it, it'll break your hand. | ||
| Fredson Paishow does that shit to people. | ||
| Yeah, Marcelo Garcia has tapped people out, like high-level people with wrist locks in jiu-jitsu tournaments. | ||
| Yeah, John Jack was showing me how to wrist lock a guy while you're done. | ||
| I'm like, damn. | ||
| He's like, it's not nice. | ||
| Don't do it to people. | ||
| But you can do this if you want. | ||
| Yeah, there's some nasty shit. | ||
| The thing is, there's no end to jiu-jitsu. | ||
| There's no end. | ||
| And yeah, there's no like, these are all the moves and that's it. | ||
| People keep inventing moves. | ||
| Constantly. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I just found out a new move yesterday when Rubber Guard Assassins on Instagram, they figured out some crazy Kimura you do from a closed guard that leads to a triangle. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck is this? | ||
| Somebody has to let you do a lot of those things to them. | ||
| Some of them, yeah. | ||
| But sometimes people don't know what you're doing. | ||
| They don't even know you're letting them do it. | ||
| I'm always concerned about Rubber Guard with your knees, like fucking up your knee joints. | ||
| Because you've got to be very flexible to get that Rubber Guard in. | ||
| Yeah, just stretch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stretch. | ||
| Rubber guard? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You don't know what that is? | ||
| It's where you put somebody in between your legs. | ||
| When you describe it, it sounds so gay. | ||
| You put somebody between your legs, and then you pull your leg over their head, but their head has to pop through, so now you're controlling them. | ||
| You can hold their head this way. | ||
| It's a lot of fucking rubberiness that I don't have the ability to do. | ||
| It was invented by my friend Eddie Bravo, but there was some guys who would play high guard before that. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| That's a good example of it. | ||
| That's what it looks like. | ||
| So he's pulling down, using his leg and his arms to control a guy, and wraps him up. | ||
| While he's down. | ||
| Yeah, so he's on the bottom. | ||
| It looks like a Gracie move. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Well, it's a jiu-jitsu move. | ||
| It's a Bravo move. | ||
| All jiu-jitsu, essentially. | ||
| That's Eddie right there. | ||
| Yeah, there he is. | ||
| Eddie and Joe came up under my teacher, and then Eddie took it to another level from there. | ||
| Well, Eddie just branched out and went into no-gi. | ||
| But he has a black belt in the gi as well. | ||
| Much more concerned with no-gi techniques, because he wanted techniques that would work in mixed martial arts. | ||
| So in mixed martial arts, you don't have the collars to grab and the sleeves to grab, so he wanted to invent a system that you could use Especially when you have the ability to fight off your back. | ||
| That's Ben Saunders, who's one of the best at it in MMA. If you get wrapped up, you're on top of a dude and he wraps you up with his legs like that. | ||
| It's very demoralizing. | ||
| You get so trapped in there. | ||
| Human nature tells you when you're on your back and there's a guy on top of you, you're in trouble. | ||
| But in jiu-jitsu, you're like, that's fine. | ||
| If you've got a good guard, like John Jock. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Wow. | ||
| Do you have any interest in that? | ||
| Where do you live these days? | ||
| I live in Canada. | ||
| You still live in Toronto? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was in Jamaica for a minute. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| You were living in Jamaica for a minute? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That was fun. | ||
| I love Toronto. | ||
| It was one of my favorite places on the planet. | ||
| That's where you first met him. | ||
| I introduced you to him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I was telling him earlier. | ||
| At the nightclub. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I took Joe to a nightclub to meet Lennox. | ||
| And I remember that meeting though. | ||
| That's when, what's his name, was playing? | ||
| Scratch. | ||
| Scratch was playing and everybody was there. | ||
| Toronto's just such a perfect city. | ||
| It's like the people are nice, but it's urban. | ||
| Like it's very populated. | ||
| There's a lot of people, but they don't have that asshole vibe that like New York has. | ||
| I think it's the fifth largest city in North America. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let me tell you, they're building like mad over there. | ||
| A lot of condos made out of glass. | ||
| Renters' market. | ||
| But tiny little places. | ||
| Well, there's so much cool shit there, and now that weed's legal, it's probably booming in Canada. | ||
| But weed was never really an issue there. | ||
| If you got caught with it, like, just stop it. | ||
| But now, it's like you'd go to the stores. | ||
| You know, there's stores on the street. | ||
| Is it that easy over there? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think they're having a couple stores. | ||
| We saw some. | ||
| We saw some stores. | ||
| They're opening like about 25 or 50 in Toronto. | ||
| So the government's giving them free rent. | ||
| It's a great place, man. | ||
| I did that place that you do, the Scotiabank. | ||
| They're Canada Centre. | ||
| Oh, Scotiabank, yeah. | ||
| They call it Scotiabank now? | ||
| Yeah, I just did it in November. | ||
| He came. | ||
| And then you were there, I think, like a month before me when I left. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I was there before my Netflix special came out. | ||
| It came out in October, so I think I was there around then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I fucking love it up there, man. | ||
| That's probably one of my favorite cities to visit. | ||
| Come on back. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Massey Hall. | ||
| Love that place. | ||
| We did that together. | ||
| Yes, that was fun, man. | ||
| You, me, and Big J. Oh, that's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Yeah, that was a good time, man. | ||
| The UFCs there are always great, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good support. | ||
| They love it up there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's just... | ||
| Toronto's just such a... | ||
| It's such an unusual city. | ||
| Like, Canada in general. | ||
| Like, I'll ask you this. | ||
| Why are people so nice? | ||
| There's so much nicer than Americans. | ||
| It's, uh... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| There's nice Americans. | ||
| When you say nice, you're saying... | ||
| Friendlier. | ||
| They're more polite. | ||
| Yeah, more polite. | ||
| Yeah, I find that too. | ||
| I think Americans are nicer as far as... | ||
| Have you been to New York lately? | ||
| Yeah, I love New York. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| Canadians are polite, but we'll talk shit about you when you're not looking. | ||
| I'll take that. | ||
| I'll take that over being rude in my face. | ||
| But Canadians can also get freaked out by people being forward, which Americans are considered very forward. | ||
| It's an outgoing thing. | ||
| Whereas an American would be like, hey, I want to ask you something. | ||
| Canadians would be like, oh, why is this person so aggressive? | ||
| Whereas a Canadian would be like, excuse me, I'd like to ask you a question. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It's very similar, but just different approaches. | ||
| As far as stand-up comedy, how good is the community in Canada? | ||
| Is it like the community in America where there's a lot of up-and-coming people? | ||
| There's a lot of comics in Canada. | ||
| A lot of great ones come out of Canada. | ||
| The problem is there's no... | ||
| The money's not there. | ||
| So no matter... | ||
| Touring around. | ||
| Yeah, like the clubs. | ||
| Once you get... | ||
| You know, the clubs tap out at like maybe you'll make... | ||
| Let's see what... | ||
| Six shows on a weekend. | ||
| A good headliner can make $1,200. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I mean, that's pretty fucking insane. | ||
| Yeah, it's rough. | ||
| Especially if they're selling out and making drink money. | ||
| Yeah, that's the problem is that the club, I liken it to the UFC almost to a certain degree. | ||
| It's not about the comic, it's about the name of the club. | ||
| Like Yuck Yucks. | ||
| Yeah, Yuck Yucks is about Yuck Yucks. | ||
| It doesn't matter who's there, it's about Yuck Yucks. | ||
| The UFC is about UFC, it doesn't matter who the fucking fighter is. | ||
| They used to have that attitude at some of the clubs in LA. That was one of the reasons why they had that big comic strike way back in the 70s. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's because people felt like the comics were the ones who were providing the art form, but the clubs were the ones who were making all the money, and they were like, hey, you're at the improv, or you're at the comedy store. | ||
| You know, the pay scale at these clubs is the same as it was in the 80s, which is fucking horrible. | ||
| Like, I take people out on the road with me, and the clubs will pay 50 bucks for an MC for the weekend, and 100 bucks for the feature. | ||
| And I'm like, that's fucking, that's what it was. | ||
| I started in 89, and that's what it was back then. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's still like that. | ||
| And I'm like, that's terrible. | ||
| Like, How are these kids going to make a living? | ||
| Well, in a way, it's a lot like boxing. | ||
| Because when people think that boxers make millions of dollars because Floyd Mayweather would make $100 million in a fight, that is true. | ||
| But if you look at the undercard, there's guys that are fighting for chump change. | ||
| And they are going through a long camp. | ||
| Do you remember your first paycheck? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was your first boxing paycheck? | ||
| $5,000. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's because I'm coming out of the Olympics, baby. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
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Olympic champion. | |
| But even still, that's $5,000 for a fucking professional fight. | ||
| But you also had signed a million dollar deal. | ||
| Oh yeah, it's going to add up after a while. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you're an exception. | ||
| I mean, there's guys fighting out there for like 800 bucks, you know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 800. Try 500, 300. Yeah. | ||
| You know, another thing that disturbs me about MMA, as opposed to boxing, is the win-lose bonus. | ||
| I don't like that. | ||
| I think a fighter should get paid what they're supposed to get paid. | ||
| No one's trying to lose. | ||
| And if you're trying to lose, you're never going to be able to compete at the highest level anyway. | ||
| These guys are pouring their heart and soul. | ||
| They're giving their body. | ||
| They're literally sacrificing their health. | ||
| And they might get fucked out of a decision. | ||
| And because of that, they lose 50% of their money. | ||
| So some incompetent judge, which in boxing is everywhere. | ||
| Adelaide Bird. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| There was even worse than her. | ||
| There's people that don't even do it anymore because they would be chased out of the game. | ||
| Every time I listen to the... | ||
| That's when you're a fan of the sport. | ||
| When you hear the judges' names go, fuck, not that guy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There was a lot of them, man. | ||
| There was a lot of them. | ||
| I mean, but imagine if 50% of your purse goes away because someone doesn't know what the fuck they're doing. | ||
| So wait, the win-lose bonus, they're guaranteed a certain amount. | ||
| They're guaranteed a certain amount, but that's to show. | ||
| Like, say this. | ||
| Like, say maybe you would get 10 and 10. So you get $10,000 to fight and $10,000 more if you win. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's crazy. | ||
| It's oftentimes 50%. | ||
| And the idea is that you're going to give these fighters an incentive to put on a better show. | ||
| But I think... | ||
| And then fight of the night bonus? | ||
| I don't like when people fight any different than the way they're fighting when they're fighting the best and the smartest. | ||
| I think you should fight intelligently. | ||
| You shouldn't engage in a wild brawl because you want some performance bonus. | ||
| Because they'll give out performance of the night or knockout of the night. | ||
| Can you lose and still get the fight of the night bonus? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Cerrone's got a ton of those. | ||
| He's got a ton of bonuses. | ||
| But I mean, that's him though. | ||
| He would fight that way if you gave him a guarantee. | ||
| Oh yeah, Cerrone's a beast. | ||
| He's a perfect example. | ||
| If he knew he was going to make a half million dollars a fight, no matter what, he would fight exactly that way. | ||
| That's how he fights. | ||
| And I think that's how it should be. | ||
| He's an anomaly though because he grew up with money, didn't he? | ||
| He grew up with a decent lifestyle. | ||
| He wasn't terribly poor. | ||
| He wasn't wealthy. | ||
| I thought he had money. | ||
| I thought he could grow up with a decent amount of money. | ||
| That's the way I was sold it. | ||
| I don't believe so. | ||
| I don't want to speak out of school, though. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| BJ Penn did. | ||
| BJ Penn is a legend. | ||
| BJ grew up with a wealthy family. | ||
| They're wealthy. | ||
| He just was a fighter. | ||
| Who is he fighting? | ||
| I just saw somewhere he's fighting. | ||
| He's going to fight Clay Guida. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's a fucking odd one. | ||
| I thought he retired. | ||
| He did. | ||
| He got bored. | ||
| He still wants to do it. | ||
| He actually looked very good in his last fight up until the time he got leg locked. | ||
| Clay Guida was a very exciting fighter back in the day. | ||
| He's still a wild man. | ||
| But he got leg-locked by Ryan Hall, who's just this phenomenal jiu-jitsu player. | ||
| And he caught him with a... | ||
| He did an Imanari roll and caught him at a leg-lock and just fucked his leg up. | ||
| Iminari roll. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It sounds like something you eat at a sushi place. | ||
| I think it was an Iminari roll. | ||
| Iminari is this very famous Japanese fighter who is a phenomenal leg lock artist. | ||
| And there's actually two moves. | ||
| There's an Iminari roll and there's an Iminari, which an Iminari comes from omoplata. | ||
| An omoplata is a shoulder lock. | ||
| I think it's a Portuguese word. | ||
| I think that's why they call it omoplata. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's from your leg too. | ||
| Yeah, it's a shoulder lock, and then the iminari is, while you're locked up in the omoplata, you grab a grip underneath the guy's chin and you yank him back. | ||
| It's a nasty... | ||
| I'll show you tomorrow. | ||
| I hope not. | ||
| I really hope not. | ||
| Can't we just have a friendly roll? | ||
| We can, but if you catch yourself in an omoplata, it's coming. | ||
| You know what's funny is when I'm a big fan of the in-arm choke, which I know is your favorite. | ||
| Head and arm? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then Jack now calls it the Joe Hogan. | ||
| Someone would do it. | ||
| Get the Joe Hogan! | ||
| And that's your move. | ||
| It's now your move at the gym. | ||
| Well, you know, sometimes you have techniques that you hit so often that you just know when they're there, and you can close them up real quick. | ||
| That was always my shit. | ||
| That's what I've been... | ||
| Ever since then, I've actually been working on that. | ||
| Well, you know, so many guys did it to me, and it's such a suffocating feeling. | ||
| When someone's on top of you, and you've got your arm pinned here, and their arm's across your neck, and you're like... | ||
| It's such a horrible... | ||
| And you make that noise, funny enough, too. | ||
| Oh, it's a horrible way to get choked out. | ||
| Oh, the estima lock. | ||
| I like when guys get locks named after them. | ||
| How do you get out of it? | ||
| Well, you have to put your hand on your ear like you're answering the phone. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| The first thing is you're trying to create some space here so that you don't go to sleep. | ||
| You got to give in to the fact that this guy's choking this side of your neck for sure. | ||
| So the arm's coming under here and it's wrapping around here. | ||
| And if you just go like that and it's down or like that, it's going to get smushed. | ||
| You're getting smushed, right? | ||
| So you got to... | ||
| Bring this thing in here. | ||
| You're trying to create a little bit of space. | ||
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And then you hope this motherfucker gets tired of squeezing your neck. | |
| And then you're trying to get in here and create a little bit of space. | ||
| That's all you're trying to do. | ||
| Just give me a little bit of space at a time. | ||
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Just a little bit of space. | |
| Get a little bit of space. | ||
| It's all just a matter of little inches, little tiny micro movements. | ||
| But when someone has your arm wrapped up like that and they have that arm across your neck and they're crushing you with their body weight and then they get their knee on your solar plexus and flatten you out and squeeze down. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| Are there fighters in other countries that don't go in MMA but they're unbelievable fighters but they're not trying to show anybody that they're unbelievable fighters? | ||
| Oh, like kung fu guys? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, those guys all get fucked up and they try to. | ||
| They think they do it because you start believing it and you have your students and they believe you're the master. | ||
| There's that Shaolin guy who tried entering a bunch of... | ||
| There's a bunch of those videos. | ||
| And that guy who'd wear the orange Shaolin suit and he would win in like these really hokey fight contest. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then he'd get into the big ones and he'd just get the shit beat out of them. | ||
| Yeah, he was kickboxing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He actually had some skills. | ||
| I used to watch his shit on YouTube. | ||
| He could do a little bit, but what I'm talking about is these Chi Masters. | ||
| Those are the ones where you put Seems Real? | ||
| Those are so sad. | ||
| Yeah, McDojo. | ||
| What is the... | ||
| McDojo Life on Instagram has a shitload of those. | ||
| Yeah, those make me laugh. | ||
| They're so sad. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's what you put. | ||
| You put seems legit. | ||
| Yeah, well, a lot of those guys, they'll go and fight a real fighter, and they think they actually know how to fight, and they just get concussed. | ||
| They just get smashed open, you know? | ||
| Because you know why? | ||
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Why? | |
| Because they don't get hit. | ||
| Yeah, they don't get hit. | ||
| That's why I love boxing. | ||
| You know, boxing, you spar all the time. | ||
| You get hit all the time. | ||
| So, you know, in a real fight, Boxers have been hit. | ||
| You know, guys that do kung fu and all those things, they don't get hit. | ||
| So when they do get hit in a real fight, it's like it messes them up. | ||
| It's like, oh no, what do I do now? | ||
| Didn't see this coming. | ||
| Yeah, practical application. | ||
| The difference between practicing and, you know, thinking. | ||
| There's so many of these. | ||
| Oh, what is this guy doing? | ||
| I haven't seen this one. | ||
| Is this a new one? | ||
| That guy in the black gi looks like he's going to fuck this dude up. | ||
| That gi looks like the carpeting in my bedroom. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| What are these guys? | ||
| Oh, it's fake. | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
| Oh, it's fake. | ||
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Did you see that? | |
| It's a choo-choo-mo. | ||
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I wonder why they're wearing such weird geese. | |
| And everybody clapping. | ||
| They really believe that. | ||
| These silly fucks, they really believe that. | ||
| I bet that guy could get them to suck his dick the same way. | ||
| I know people who really believe that their teacher can do that stuff. | ||
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Suck it. | |
| Suck it. | ||
| They're called priests. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| It's weird that those people are still around in the day of video cameras that you can still have this. | ||
| But yeah, what you're saying is perfect. | ||
| Even what you were saying that if you hadn't fought in two years and then you would get in there and get hit, you're like, whoa, okay. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| I've seen Keith Thurman do that. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh, in his last fight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes, I saw that too. | ||
| And Lopez isn't a banger by any means. | ||
| He looked a little off, though. | ||
| But Keith Thurman had to suffer through that one little concussion. | ||
| Concuss, I should say. | ||
| And he was alright after that. | ||
| If you hit him with that same shot, he would have took it even better. | ||
| Because he got over the hump. | ||
| I still gave that fight to Lopez, though. | ||
| A lot of people did. | ||
| Yeah, it was a close fight, for sure. | ||
| It was a close fight, yeah. | ||
| And, you know, it was Thurman's big comeback fight. | ||
| I mean, how long had he been out? | ||
| Two years, at least. | ||
| Was he injured? | ||
| He was injured. | ||
| He had some sort of shoulder, elbow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's also one of the things that makes it so interesting. | ||
| And when a guy does come back from a devastating loss, and you go, okay, like Manny Pacquiao, when Marquez knocked him out. | ||
| Out. | ||
| I mean, crazy. | ||
| That was a bad one. | ||
| That's going to cause some slurring later. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It's like, you know, you make a move, it's a good move, but then you've moved into the man's power punch, and he hits you, and, you know, there's no second chance with that one. | ||
| Yeah, and Marquez, I mean, he's an interesting case. | ||
| You know, I mean, he's a... | ||
| Obviously a very, very talented fighter, but as he got older, he got like physically stronger. | ||
| He got bigger and stronger, you know. | ||
| Mexican supplements. | ||
| Mexican meat. | ||
| A lot involved. | ||
| Climbuterol meat. | ||
| Monkey juice. | ||
| There was a lot involved there, right? | ||
| I mean, and he actually was working with Manny Pacquiao's old strength and conditioning guy, and Manny was the guy who was always accused of doing stuff. | ||
| Oh, you're talking about Alex Arisa? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, Manny went up eight weight classes. | ||
| I had Alex Arisa train me before. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| When I was doing my special three years ago. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| Jacked. | ||
| Is he still fighting? | ||
| No, he's retired. | ||
| Marquez is done? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| They're talking about Floyd. | ||
| They're talking about doing a Floyd Pacquiao rematch. | ||
| I'm not really excited about that. | ||
| You know what I'm excited about? | ||
| I want to see how much money Floyd Mayweather can make. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| I mean, look, the fact that he talked everybody into that Conor McGregor fight, and he made more than $100 million for that fight. | ||
| Wait, isn't that tension kid fighting again? | ||
| He's fighting somebody else now. | ||
| Nazukawa? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's a badass kid boxer. | ||
| Yeah, but he's supposed to be fighting another... | ||
| Another boxer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| I think you're right. | ||
| Probably a lesser one, but you know. | ||
| Well, tension is 126 pounds. | ||
| Yeah, so he should fight somebody that size. | ||
| I mean, the fact that he fought Mayweather at all, and people were like, oh, it looks like it was a fake fight. | ||
| No, that's what it looks like when a 126-pound fighter fights one of the best boxers of all time. | ||
| That's what it looks like. | ||
| That doesn't look fake. | ||
| He did fall very dramatically. | ||
| Because he got his fucking brain rattled, you know? | ||
| Oh, is it Gervonta Davis? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| But Gervonta can't make that weight anymore either. | ||
| Gervonta can't even make the weight he's at now. | ||
| But they don't have him make weight. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| They just have him fight. | ||
| I mean, Floyd didn't make any fucking weight. | ||
| Did he? | ||
| What did he make? | ||
| Do you like the way 1FC is doing their weight thing? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's pretty cool. | ||
| I like it a lot. | ||
| Yeah, for people who don't know, they don't let them cut weight. | ||
| They do hydration tests, so there's no dehydrating yourself. | ||
| So if you weigh naturally, you walk around 185 pounds, you're going to fight at 185 pounds. | ||
| You're not going to fight at 170 or 165 like a lot of these guys do. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Yeah, I'd love it. | ||
| Yeah, that's good because the hydration aspect of, even in any sport, taking that liquid away from the brain, your body needs liquid. | ||
| It survives on liquid. | ||
| And it makes your bones brittle. | ||
| It's terrible for you in every way. | ||
| It's terrible for your performance, your internal organs. | ||
| A lot of guys have kidney failure when they're cutting weight for weigh-ins. | ||
| That's the beautiful thing about you being a heavyweight, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, I didn't have to take off my clothes. | ||
| I can weigh whatever. | ||
| But there was always that fighting weight where I would be perfect at. | ||
| Manny was good at that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How much do you weigh? | ||
| Okay, don't move from there. | ||
| What, about 240? | ||
| No, 235. 235 was perfect. | ||
| Knew you were on. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, what kind of nutrition did you follow when you were fighting? | ||
| Did you take specific vitamins or did you drink specific things? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, just Jamaican food. | ||
| Jamaican food. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Angelo Dundee asked me that same question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I said, what do you eat? | ||
| I said, my mother's food. | ||
| He said, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. | ||
| That's a perfect Angelo Dundee quote. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he's another one, man. | ||
| Remember that with Sugary Leonard against Thomas Hearns? | ||
| You're blowing it, kid! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he gets, Sugary Leonard gets fired up and he goes out and stops him the next round. | ||
| There was a lot of good trainers back then. | ||
| Eddie Futch, Georgie Benton. | ||
| Yeah, Georgie Benton, yeah. | ||
| Bless his soul. | ||
| Good trainer as well. | ||
| It's so important for a young fighter to get hooked up with the right trainer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, we got on that for a second. | ||
| I think part of the problem with a lot of the young kids right now, they need to get good trainers. | ||
| Good trainers really help your game because it even helps you with the TV. Because I was saying today that when a man you... | ||
| I came into my corner. | ||
| HBO started talking about me better. | ||
| Before that, it was like, oh, he doesn't throw the jab enough. | ||
| He looks like he's tired. | ||
| The fight when I went with Manny, they were like praising me. | ||
| Oh, he's doing good now. | ||
| Manny's behind him now. | ||
| He's a trainer of champions. | ||
| So trainer really helps your game. | ||
| Were you with Manny when you fought Mercer? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That was a war. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was a war. | ||
| Actually, no, I wasn't. | ||
| I wasn't. | ||
| That Mercer fight, I actually taught. | ||
| Mercer helped me out because before that fight, I was always fighting guys that hooked around. | ||
| Body shots and hooks. | ||
| So I kept my hands like this at the side of my face. | ||
| And then I went into that fight. | ||
| Got a fat lip. | ||
| I hate getting fat lips in my fights. | ||
| It's like, you know, hey, did you win the fight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It didn't look like you. | ||
| You got a fat lip from, you know? | ||
| So I kept on walking around with a fat lip, and then... | ||
| I got a good picture of you, me, and Lloyd, and you got a fat lip. | ||
| It's right after one of your fights from, like, 97. And then Manny said, you know what you're doing wrong? | ||
| He said, you need to put your hand in front of your mouth. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| So even if a guy throws a punch which doesn't slide through, it's going to hit your hand. | ||
| And he said, you can move your hand two inches to protect yourself from a hook, can't you? | ||
| And I said, yeah. | ||
| Oh, okay, you're right. | ||
| After that fight, no more fat lips. | ||
| But I used to hate getting fat lips, boy. | ||
| Can everybody look at you funny? | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, but having a great trainer is so important in MMA as well. | ||
| I mean, and there's not that many of them. | ||
| It's like you really have to find the right ones. | ||
| A lot of good trainers are just former fighters now, right? | ||
| Well, there's that, yeah. | ||
| But, you know, someone has to be a real... | ||
| They can't just be a trainer, or just be a former fighter, rather. | ||
| You have to be a student to really understand the game. | ||
| Like, Emmanuel was only an amateur fighter, right? | ||
| He never fought professional, and he was one of the greatest of all time, unquestionably. | ||
| Like, everybody respected him. | ||
| And so soft-spoken, you know, but just knew. | ||
| Just knew how to raise fighters. | ||
| And you think about all the guys, Gerald McClellan, Tommy Hearns, all the great fighters that came out of that camp. | ||
| The only problem I have with, you know, old-time fighters is like, you know, some old-time fighters were bad fighters. | ||
| Now they're training a young kid the same way, and it's not positive. | ||
| It's like you're teaching them the bad tricks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then there's guys who are better as trainers than they were as fighters, like Freddie Roach. | ||
| 100%, yeah. | ||
| Like, Freddie Roach is recognized as one of the greatest trainers for sure alive, but as a fighter, he was a journeyman. | ||
| Kevin Rooney was a good trainer in his day. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he got knocked up by Urquayo in the second round. | ||
| Well, he was a good trainer with Tyson, but he never really developed talent outside of Tyson. | ||
| I think he developed a lot of alcohol, that's what. | ||
| Oh, that's what. | ||
| You know, hanging around with Mike, and he's got tigers on a leash. | ||
| And then Buddy had a good run for a minute, Buddy McGirt. | ||
| He's still training fighters. | ||
| Yeah, I've trained with Buddy before. | ||
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Did you? | |
| Oh, good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was a great fighter. | ||
| Buddy was a great fighter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great dude. | ||
| Yo, you haven't trained with me yet. | ||
| Wasn't afraid of me, guy. | ||
| Listen, man, your phone keeps blowing up and you were supposed to be out here an hour ago, but I appreciate your time, man. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It was an honor to sit here and talk to you. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| One of my favorites of all time. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Russell, I like you too. | ||
| Thanks, man. | ||
| You're my favorite guy to get choked out by. | ||
| Oh, sweetie. | ||
| We're going to have some fun tomorrow. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Lennox Lewis, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Thank you, everybody. |
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