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Feb. 28, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1255 - Alex Jones Returns!
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joe rogan
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joe rogan
As long as we want, man.
alex jones
No, no, no.
Here we go.
unidentified
Four, three, two...
joe rogan
Yes!
Alex Jones!
We're live.
alex jones
Wow, it's good to be back for the second visit.
joe rogan
It's good to be here, man.
It's good to see you.
alex jones
We've got Trump meeting with Kim Jong-un.
We've got the Cohen hearings in Congress.
A lot of energy going on.
joe rogan
A lot of things are happening.
alex jones
Planets are aligned.
joe rogan
We should tell everybody that you and I... First of all, we had a long conversation on the phone, which led to just a lot of talking.
alex jones
You were driving to Vegas a few weeks ago.
We talked like an hour and a half.
joe rogan
And then we decided to do another podcast.
And we cleared the air on the phone.
We decided to clear the air more on a podcast.
There's a lot of things going on.
I told you a long time ago that I would have you back on.
And in the interest of being completely honest...
I was hesitant to do it not because I didn't want to talk to you, but because of just the amount of bullshit that I get from people that get angry that you and I are friends.
You know, that why give that guy a platform?
That's the big one.
Why give that guy a platform?
That's the big one.
But you and I have always had a good time together.
We've always had fun together.
Our only problems have always been when we're not, like if you're talking about me or if I'm talking about you, not if we're talking to each other.
The distance has been the problem.
alex jones
It's the telephone.
joe rogan
The lack of communication.
The lack of communication has been the problem.
The thing that people are upset about you, the thing that we wanted to talk about quick to get it over with, or not quick, but just to get it up front.
That's the best way to put it.
alex jones
Or be misrepresented.
joe rogan
Yes.
Is the Sandy Hook stuff.
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So, your take on it, just give me your take on it.
alex jones
Well, first off, Because it's always misrepresented.
I believe mass shootings happen, and they're real tragedies.
And I believe Parkland happened.
joe rogan
And you believe Sandy Hook happened?
alex jones
Absolutely.
And now, just last year, the media came out and said, Alex Jones says Parkland didn't happen, and he's sending people to Parkland parents' houses.
And there was no video, no audio.
It wasn't true.
In fact, I said I believe Parkland happened.
So I'm not going to be the mass shooting denial guy.
I have been branded as the Sandy Hook guy.
I mean, imagine a Final Cut Pro video editing timeline.
And you go back almost, it was seven years ago, I guess it's more than seven years now, and the internet didn't believe some of the things about Sandy Hook.
I started covering it weeks after.
My first articles and things are, oh, this will be used for gun control, and I bet the guy's on Prozac and a mental patient, which he was.
But then about a couple weeks into it, my listeners and others start sending me all these anomalies and things.
And later it turned out some of those anomalies weren't accurate.
And then I just moved on from it, okay?
I mean, I'm not Adam Lanza.
I didn't kill those kids.
But when I'm on the streets now, people don't know who Adam Lanza is, the guy that killed those kids.
They think it's me.
They say, I can't believe you're not in prison for what you did to Sandy Hook.
All they know is Alex Jones, Sandy Hook, dead kids.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think that's...
I think the majority of them are angry because the narrative has been that you're sending people to these Sandy Hook families' homes.
alex jones
Exactly, and I'm not, and I never have.
joe rogan
That you're responsible for these people getting harassed because you said on your radio show that it wasn't real.
alex jones
Yes, there is video and audio of me saying, I can see how people don't think it happened, and I can see how people think it's synthetic because there's been stage events before.
That then gets edited, put together, cobbled together.
But I never said go to people's houses.
I never said go investigate these families.
joe rogan
Did you ever say that you think it's not real?
alex jones
Yes, I did.
joe rogan
But now you do think it's real.
alex jones
Because I learned some of the anomalies were not accurate.
joe rogan
That's a problem with all this conspiracy shit, right?
Because the conspiracy theory stuff, the people that want to believe, they believe in conspiracies with everything.
And I think there's a certain percent, and we talked about this.
Just a few minutes ago.
alex jones
Yeah, when I started getting accused four years ago, a couple years until, and I said, no, I think it happened.
Then people that I had interviewed and things were saying, he's involved, he's one of them.
joe rogan
Because you are now saying that it happened, they thought that you'd been compromised.
alex jones
Yes, and then I was realizing, oh...
joe rogan
This is how it works.
alex jones
A certain percentage of people are schizophrenic.
joe rogan
Exactly.
alex jones
And then they just think everything's a conspiracy.
joe rogan
Well, this is the thing about conspiracies.
It's very attractive to people that are schizophrenic.
Schizophrenic people think everything's a fucking conspiracy from top to bottom.
Every single interaction that people have is some sort of a stage event that's trying to take them down or control this or mind control that.
That's a big factor in a lot of this conspiracy theory shit is mental illness.
alex jones
When I started to have people come to the office saying that I'm Bo Bridges or that I'm Jeff Bridges or that I am Bill Hicks and people in restaurants screaming, F you, Bill, we know it's you.
It's kind of like Dan Rowdy, the guy threatening me.
What's the signal, Dan?
What's the signal?
I've experienced now the, quote, fame of being super famous, being a conspiracy guy.
I was legitimately questioning things because of Gulf of Tonkin, Northwoods, things that really happened.
Babies that weren't thrown out of incubators against the Iraq war.
I kind of realized a few years ago that I kind of had my own mild psychosis in that when you've been lied to by the media and the culture so much over and over again, everything then starts becoming automatically.
You're sure it's fake.
And then everything you see fits into that.
This is probably, again, four or five years ago, I began to realize because I was on the receiving end of people pulling up in white vans with guns at my office saying, I know you put a microchip in my head and I'm going to kill you.
And so it was kind of like once I got super famous, it was like, whoa.
There's a certain percentage of people that are way off on the spectrum where they believe everything's fake, and there's people that believe everything they hear is true.
I mean, you should be questioning, you should have the right to do it, but it's somewhere in the middle.
And so, this is what I'll say about Sandy Hook.
I legitimately questioned it when people brought up anomalies.
I then had debates about it on both sides.
The internet pushed me to keep covering it.
I probably covered it 20 times in the first few years it happened.
And then as soon as I questioned it, not being staged, I got attacked so much that I said, screw it, mass shootings happen.
I believe it happened.
But then media would call me or interview me and say, okay, but tell us the anomalies of why you questioned.
They were getting me to say it again.
Not that they didn't have the right to question it, but they thought, well, Alex Jones versus dead kids, Alex Jones denying it, Alex Jones harassing families.
This is a perfect way to get this guy who's so popular in getting people to question and getting people to think.
And so it took me years, I think I'm smart, I guess I'm not, to figure out what was going on.
So when Hillary, a few months before the election, gives this huge speech and says, Alex Jones has a dark heart.
He knows Sandy Hook kids died.
But he says they didn't, and he sends people to their houses.
He's the worst guy in the world.
So I came out and I said, listen, I never sent anybody to their houses, but I apologize if it's taken out of context.
People have a right to question, but I'm sorry for the families, and I'm sorry for your hurt, and I get it, and I've experienced crazy people now, big time, just like you have.
Please stop saying that I'm saying it didn't happen.
Please stop saying I'm sending people to people's houses, because here's what happens.
When they put it on...
Every major TV channel, local TV channels, radio, I mean, thousands of articles that then get syndicated.
If I said 100,000 articles, that's a low number.
The amount of Sandy Hook coverage against me has been so insane and so huge because it's supposed to be the first domino that once I'm taken down, then all the dominoes fall.
joe rogan
Well, it's also clickbait.
There's also a thing, if you say Alex Jones, Sandy Hook, and you put in a title, a certain amount of people are just going to click on it.
Alex Jones is still pushing a Sandy Hook conspiracy theories, one that I saw just two days ago.
alex jones
Exactly.
So this is the point I've gotten to is, here's the key.
Then they say more people are showing up in Connecticut, more people are coming to their houses, which they are.
Because the media is all over the news saying there's a big conspiracy here.
Alex Jones says it doesn't happen.
And so people then hear it and they think, oh, you know, it's like looking for the Mothman or something.
They're all running up there and the media is saying it in my name.
And I'm saying, no, I believe it happened years ago.
And so then I'm getting the blame and the attacks and the demonization and the threats for what the corporate media is saying over and over again that I'm saying that it didn't happen.
joe rogan
And the families are getting the threats and the families are getting the attacks.
The families are getting called crisis actors.
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
Do you wish you did something different?
alex jones
Oh, my God.
In hindsight, absolutely.
But again, I legitimately didn't think my show was as powerful as it was so that I wasn't retrospectively looking at everything I was doing as much as I should.
Nobody's perfect.
As you get older, you grow and you learn things.
I just began to realize about three years ago that they're making my identity, not being a nationalist, not being a populist, not being a free market guy, they're making my whole identity Sandy Hook.
And I didn't even know they were going to sue me then.
joe rogan
Well, it's just because that's what gets clicks.
alex jones
Yes, but then, before I ever got sued, I said, I believe Sandy Hook happened.
This is not my identity.
I barely ever covered it.
Stop!
joe rogan
Right, but you understand that's not what they're doing.
alex jones
But then they took that as weakness and made it even worse.
joe rogan
But they're not trying to make your identity.
They're not trying to define you or do some sort of a documentary biography on your life.
They're just finding something that people want to pay attention to.
This is one of the problems with news coverage today.
Is that they find things that people want to pay attention to and they focus on them out of proportionate.
alex jones
I agree.
And then they say that I'm making money off Sandy Hook when the newspapers and the publishing houses are using me as a way to put out...
That incendiary hurtful thing.
I didn't mean it to be hurtful.
I didn't mean it to be incendiary.
I was legitimately questioning because the internet was.
And I've seen a bunch of other state stuff.
And then I say, hey, take it back.
Don't do it.
And they go, no, we're going to commit this hurtful thing that's still free speech, but it's hurtful in your freaking name.
And I'm not saying I'm the victim here.
I'm saying stop it.
Because everything they do about deplatforming me, the biggest frustration is I still have my huge audience and radio stations and Infowars.com and Newswars.com.
Reaching new people is very hard.
And then now that I've been silenced, the mainstream media can say whatever they want, Joe.
joe rogan
About you.
alex jones
About me, and I can't respond.
I mean, you can go to YouTube and type in Alex Jones.
And all of it's the negative stuff, and there's one that says white supremacy and Alex Jones.
And you click on it, and it's a famous British actor and author saying, Alex Jones says kill the families of...
Of Parkland parents.
And I actually have lawyers getting ready to file suit over this.
I warned the guy.
I sent letters.
He didn't take it down.
I have to.
You can pull up this famous British actor.
I forget his name.
You can pull up.
Just type in Alex Jones at YouTube.
All the mean stuff's put up on top.
It's like the seventh, eighth link.
And it says, Alex Jones and white supremacy.
What to do about it?
And he says, Alex Jones and the white supremacists are saying, go to the people's houses at Parkland and kill the parents.
And we have to take him off the air because he says, kill the parents.
There's no free speech for killing parents.
And I'm like, dude!
Do not say that.
I'm going to get killed.
I mean, I have never said nobody died at Parkland.
I sure as hell didn't say kill their parents.
joe rogan
So now, here's what I'm saying.
alex jones
You talk about fake news.
They have green-lighted making anything you can imagine up about me.
And it's like insane.
And that's all I'm saying is that at a certain point, it's like Jesus.
joe rogan
I get it.
Let's take this step by step.
alex jones
I'm sorry, I'm ranting.
joe rogan
It's okay.
We want to give you an opportunity to communicate and clear the air and talk and some of the shit that you and I talked about earlier.
There's a bunch of things going on.
One, it's a story that attracts people's attention.
Right?
A story of a guy who's saying that people didn't get killed when they did get killed.
And it's horrific for people to look at.
It's horrific for people to think about that their own children would not only get murdered, but then someone would accuse them of being a crisis actor.
So then they start pushing that story, and that story becomes something that they make money off of.
in the news and they keep getting clicks off of you and misrepresenting some of the things that you've said.
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
But some of the things that you said you wish you hadn't said.
Absolutely.
That's also real.
alex jones
But, I mean, let's be clear.
I'm not even defending myself.
People learn stuff as you get older in hindsight.
You're like, "Why did I do that?" I used to, whatever was the big hot thing on the internet, I would just debate it because it was interesting.
joe rogan
But this is what I wanted to get to.
You were doing this show, and in this show you're on the air hours and hours a day, and you're ranting about all these various things.
Is it fair to say that you weren't really 100% aware of what kind of influence you were having?
alex jones
Absolutely.
joe rogan
And that if you did know, you would have phrased things differently and done things differently.
alex jones
You know, it's even beyond that.
I was just younger, and...
And I was covering what other people were saying.
I was not the first, the tenth, the hundredth, the ten thousandth.
joe rogan
You were reading about it on the internet.
alex jones
It was a firestorm all over the news that people are denying it.
And I've got producers going, hey, look at this video.
joe rogan
But isn't that the problem with every single national tragedy?
Anytime something happens, there's a certain amount of people that think that there's a conspiracy.
Even when it's just a plane crash.
Even when it's just...
Fill in the blanks.
Any sort of national tragedy.
alex jones
Well, exactly.
And all I'm saying is...
Sandy Hook's not the hill I'm dying on.
I support people's right to question, and I understand because there's been so much lying in corporate media and by governments and staged events that are admitted and declassified that once people see that one thing was staged, then everything else must be staged.
And then I have been on the receiving end of literally thousands of made-up conspiracies, which you laugh at until people in a truck with guns show up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
And so I understand part of this is the complex world we live in, all the information we have more than ever, and a lot of it is all the drugs people are on.
joe rogan
A lot of it is schizophrenics.
This is a big problem.
We were talking about the percentage of human beings.
alex jones
Half of Brazil has the brain worm that makes you basically psychotic.
joe rogan
Well, it doesn't make you psychotic.
alex jones
It makes you risk-taking, crazy.
joe rogan
It affects your judgment.
alex jones
It programs you to want to have more cats, smell piss.
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, it definitely does that to rats.
It actually reprograms rats' brains, makes them sexually attractive.
alex jones
And there's a bunch of parasites.
joe rogan
Yes, there's a bunch of them, and there's some that probably haven't even been identified.
alex jones
And that's where the whole crazy cat lady thing comes from.
joe rogan
Yes, that's exactly what it is.
It's one of the reasons why they tell women when they're pregnant to stay the fuck away from cat litter.
Don't touch cat litter.
Because your baby can get it.
Yes.
I mean, it can be actually fatal for babies.
But what I'm trying to get at...
alex jones
It goes back to the Middle Ages where they said kill the damn cats.
joe rogan
Well, I'm sure there's a lot of factors there, right?
alex jones
See, old wives' tales were like, you get demon-possessed by that cat, and really, it's a damn brain worm.
joe rogan
Well, that's probably also why they told you not to eat pork.
And that's science fiction!
alex jones
That's a real brain worm programming!
Like you were saying earlier, I looked at it's true, I didn't even know that, that the top soccer teams have the highest level of brain worm infestation.
joe rogan
Well, there's a disproportionate amount of people that live in countries with a high toxoplasmosis infection with successful soccer teams.
There was some study that was done on that, where we had Dr. Roberts of Boston.
alex jones
It's like women that have it are more sexually promiscuous.
It's recklessness.
joe rogan
Yes, and they think that men are more reckless, and that's why there's a disproportionate amount of motorcycle victims that test positive for toxoplasmosis.
This is what Robert Sapolsky at Stanford University was telling us.
alex jones
Is there a way to remove the brain worm?
joe rogan
I don't think there is.
alex jones
Well, you know, there's like snails that get a brain worm that programs to go to the top of a tree, so birds eat it, and then it's crapped out, and the snails eat that, and then it's a food cycle.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
alex jones
So don't tell me in classic evolution, and I also believe the interpretation by right-wingers of the Bible, that's not what it says.
I mean, obviously evolution happens in big quick jumps, but we know what's going on.
But the idea that just there's worms and there's all these different – well, you're talking about the one that gets into a grasshopper.
joe rogan
The aquatic worm gets inside of a grasshopper's body and gets the grasshopper to commit suicide.
Gets a grasshopper to jump into water and drown, and then it comes out of its body, and that's where it lives.
It lives in the water.
So it literally gets its host to commit suicide.
alex jones
So how did that chain of events, how does that evolve where suddenly a worm gets in a grasshopper and does something a supercomputer couldn't do?
It programs to drown itself.
joe rogan
Well, this is a matter of complex biology.
I mean, I think it's insanely complex, and it's something that scientists are studying on a daily basis.
alex jones
We're going to get to that coming up, because I don't want to just talk about me all day.
And I appreciate you having me on here to do it.
And I know I don't have a talking point.
I don't have a PR firm.
We even talked before we went on air about what am I going to...
I mean, Alex, what do you want to say today so you can help me get it out?
I don't know.
joe rogan
I want to say a bunch of things.
alex jones
I'm only learning how this works being in the process of it.
And it's given me a much bigger view than I knew 23 years ago when I first got on air.
Because I've experienced...
What other people have said these bad things I did, experienced, I did it from a good heart.
I believed questioning was okay.
I was covering other people questioning.
But then there's a weird, sick irony in the media that says that...
I'm the one that progenerated Sandy Hook didn't happen when I wasn't, to then in my name, popularize it to a level of like, they've put out more Sandy Hook propaganda against me, this is key, than before you invade a major country.
I mean, this has been going on for years, every day, the news, the print.
No one died at Sandy Hook, Alex Jones says.
Alex Jones says go to their houses and hurt them.
What the hell is it for?
It goes on and on and on and on.
joe rogan
Well, you're thinking this because it's about you.
So because it's about you, it becomes a primary point of focus because it's affecting your life and it's something you're concentrating on.
alex jones
But the volume is massive.
joe rogan
It is volume is massive because it's something that generates interest.
This is part of the problem with the way we do news today.
Anything that generates interest.
I mean, honestly, if the media really cared, they probably would have never talked about it.
They probably would have never brought it up.
alex jones
We had real terror attacks in the 60s and 70s that weren't staged.
If you go back and look at them, like the Weathermen and all that stuff, and the government and the media didn't cover it.
joe rogan
Well, this is a long time ago.
alex jones
But they didn't cover it because if you cover terrorists, they do it more.
joe rogan
Right, that's true.
alex jones
I was agreeing with you.
joe rogan
Yeah, okay, that's true.
In other countries, they don't print the name of mass shooters in the newspaper because they don't want people to get attention for that.
I mean, some different countries have different philosophies.
alex jones
All I want to say is, Joe, I genuinely, I've known you 20 years, or since like 1998, 99. I genuinely really am trying to find the truth.
And I realized that once I saw a bunch of declassified staged events like Northwoods or like Gladio or like Gulf of Tonkin or Jussie Smollett.
I mean, I couldn't help it.
I knew he'd probably sue me.
The day after it happened, I said, the guy's got a noose around his neck at 2 a.m.
in Chicago.
joe rogan
Who the fuck has a noose in Chicago?
Who's walking around with a noose?
Who even knows how to write?
Who knows how to make a noose?
alex jones
And the cops show up.
40-something minutes later, and he's at the door with a noose around his neck.
So I said, it's fake!
And I said, sue me, destroy me.
It's fake.
I can't help it.
But see, the problem is, that's where the psychosis comes in.
Because if you're a little kid, because I've been reading more about psychology, trying to understand this stuff.
If you're a little kid and somebody with red hair beats you and tortured you, say a man with red hair, just hypothetical, you're going to not like guys with red hair.
So it's kind of like, or if you've been lied to as a kid, later that's what creates mental illness later.
So if we've been lied to by the media and the corporate system and seen all these fake hoaxes and the fake stuff about Kavanaugh and the fake stuff about the Covenant kids and the fake stuff about Smollett, see, now the public, actually, here's what's happened.
I'm getting huge backlash in Smollett.
It's not...
It's not.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, who's giving you backlash about Smollett?
alex jones
Listeners and the public are like, hey, Smollett's fake, the Covington kids are fake, Belazi Ford and most of these women said it was all fake, so why are you saying Sandy Hook's real, everything's fake?
It's like, no, dude, everything's not fake.
That's what I'm saying is the differential's gone.
And so, yeah, there's a bunch of fake stuff, and we have a right to question it, but now...
Now, the general public, my fans believe everything's fake.
joe rogan
Okay, but let me stop you there.
alex jones
I'm ranting.
unidentified
I just can't.
joe rogan
It's okay.
I want you to rant.
But this is the nature of the beast.
This is what you're selling to a lot of these people.
This is why they're tuning into you.
They want to hear you uncover conspiracies.
And some of them aren't as bright as others.
And some of them can't see logic.
They don't see it.
alex jones
They don't understand.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
alex jones
I'm legitimately questioning.
I don't just think everything's fake.
joe rogan
I know you don't.
Listen, I think if you never talked about Sandy Hook, you'd have no problems.
I really do believe that.
I believe there would be problems.
I think people would look down on you and call you a right-wing lunatic and all sorts of other things, which they don't even know.
When I knew you, when I first knew you, you were getting arrested for going after George Bush.
I remember when George...
You were not a right-wing guy.
alex jones
I just asked him a question he had me arrested.
joe rogan
Well, you were asking him a pertinent question.
alex jones
About the CFR and his dad's drug deal.
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
Exactly.
And this was a guy that was running for president.
As a Republican.
And you were getting arrested for questioning.
I brought up Iran-Contra, the CFR. But my point is, you weren't tied to a party.
You were trying to find the truth.
alex jones
No, no, you're right.
When I aligned with Trump, that's when all hell broke loose.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was part of it.
I think that was definitely part of it.
alex jones
And Hillary admits, she looked at my whole bio and said, Sandy Hook, hit him on that.
joe rogan
Right.
Now, do you still communicate with Trump?
alex jones
Not in a while.
And it becomes a big issue.
I mean, I obviously communicate with surrogates and people who talk to Trump.
I mean, Don Jr. was on Tucker Carlson last night.
They were talking about me and saying what happened to me is wrong.
And the fact that they've used me as the way to start the casual society.
I mean, imagine, they're never supposed to block somebody from banking if they have a good record.
It's not fraud.
Here's a whole other story.
I had an A++ rating with my shopping cart.
And bank accounts that I had for 22 years.
And banks looked at it and said, we've quite frankly never seen anybody with a credit rating this high because you never even do chargebacks with our shopping cart.
People do that.
joe rogan
What does that mean, chargebacks?
alex jones
The point is we have the best credit there is.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
A group out of Boston, which I'm not going to mention here for your show and things, but we're preparing litigation against.
Who does the ratings, it's a secret rating system for like Taliban, Al-Qaeda, the mafia that's given to bank executives.
Two days before PayPal banned us, they put a hate designation from the Southern Poverty Law Center saying, I'm basically a terrorist.
So when they call you a hate person now, it means a terrorist in Interpol.
So all over the Western world...
I am listed.
And we've been sent documents out of England and out of the U.S. that we were sent this by high-level banking people that are freaked out.
We make contacts.
Lawyers checked it.
They can't believe it.
They have designated me as an international terrorist.
And that's how they took five of my six bank accounts and got me down to one bank account with perfect credit.
Saying you cannot take money on your shopping cart in fullwarstore.com for your products, t-shirts, books, whatever.
You aren't allowed to be in commerce because you are a terrorist.
joe rogan
And what do they use to define terrorist?
alex jones
H! It's classified symbols, and we got some of the documents.
joe rogan
H is hate.
alex jones
H is hate.
joe rogan
So they just decide arbitrarily that you're a hateful person, that you promote hate.
alex jones
No judge, no jury.
It's the global Chinese social score.
That's what they're all testing for here.
joe rogan
Well, this is what we're talking about that's very important.
This is actually dangerous.
This is actually dangerous to give people the ability to define people without any strict, rigid qualifications, without anything that you can point to on paper.
alex jones
If I was a convicted murderer and got out of prison, I could start an online store and sell t-shirts.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
If I was Charlie Manson, he had like four TV specials on CBS on 60 Minutes.
When I was a kid, I'd watch Charlie Manson.
joe rogan
I don't think he was allowed to get paid for those, though.
I think that was part of the thing because he's involved in murder.
alex jones
Well, sure, they have laws on that, but the point is he would do all the reverse shows.
The point is, Hitler...
Basically, it was the number one thing on the History Channel when they first launched it.
So you can hear what Hitler has to say, even though we know he's a bad guy.
Well, why can't you hear what Alex Jones has to say?
Because they have found what I talk about is effective, it gets people thinking, and they want it shut down because we've relaunched populism.
InfoWars has done this, my audience has.
1776 worldwide.
Populism, anti-globalism, anti-communism, anti-China.
And the big tech companies...
Google and Apple and all of them have publicly moved to China and they publicly agreed to censor and control the population.
This is in the news.
And that's why Tim Cook got so mad at me.
And I made a huge issue to Trump and I sent reports to the president.
I know he got.
And that's what happened on that Sunday night when they said, that's it, we're done with Jones.
We have to take him down because I got investigations going at the national security level sending big reports to the president through law firms of Reuters.
AP, and then the articles, which he wasn't getting, where China has given the code keys by Apple, this is last year, and is moving their database there, and all the code keys have been given to the Chinese government, and Apple says that's just part of being there, and Google's building Dragonfly Project to help censor the entire population with a social credit score.
They're already testing in Venezuela with China, and they're going to bring it here, and everything you do in live time will be controlled, and all the big airlines now are putting cameras in that watch you while you're on the airplane.
joe rogan
So you think, let me stop you, because you're ranting again.
alex jones
I am ranting.
joe rogan
It's okay.
You think they're using Sandy Hook as an excuse to get you off the air and to censor you and to take away your ability to make income, not because of that, but using that as an excuse because of the other things that you do, like targeting things like Google and talking about things that you're talking about where they're in China and they're allowing China to censor the population.
alex jones
I'm just telling you, I'm not against Google or Apple.
They've done a lot of cool things.
I'm saying stop it!
Congress told you ten years ago, you were built here in the U.S. with DARPA money.
Don't go help China do this stuff.
Don't be evil.
joe rogan
Well, let me tell you something, because I knew someone who worked at Google.
I know someone who used to work at Google, I should say.
Their thought process was that Google is going...
If they don't bring Google to China in a censored form, they're going to copy Google.
This was their real worry.
Because China copies everything.
I mean, their intellectual copyright law over there...
alex jones
Yeah, but then they're just going to steal it better now.
True.
joe rogan
But this is what they're saying.
alex jones
Think about that, Joe.
joe rogan
But let me explain something from the point of view of Google.
As a business, and I'm not saying I agree with this, because I don't.
alex jones
Makes more apple juice.
joe rogan
Get some apple juice in your system, fella.
They were thinking, and this is what I was talking to a woman who was a very high-level executive, and she was saying that they're going to steal it.
If we don't work with them, they're just going to steal Google and take the code and make their own version of it.
So, them as a business, they're like, this is inevitable.
They're going to do it anyway.
We're just going to give in to their censorship demands.
I don't agree with it.
I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't know what I would do if I was Google.
alex jones
I'll tell them.
joe rogan
You'll tell what?
alex jones
I'll tell Google what they should do.
joe rogan
What should they do for China?
alex jones
You're dead on with what that person told you.
When I had the globalist 15 years ago, 20 years ago, try to buy me off 10 million a year, you know, whatever.
joe rogan
By the way, cheers.
alex jones
Cheers, brother.
Anyways, when they did all that, When they did all that...
joe rogan
What were they trying to do?
Who was trying to buy you off?
alex jones
Well, I can't get into it.
You know, they're private meetings and it's journalistic stuff off record.
But everybody gets business offers.
Like, Alex, you're going to influence things by being on the inside.
If you don't join this and help save the planet and do all these big things...
My dad got the same speech when he was in high school already at UT at Plan 2. I can tell you about that.
We'll get to that later.
But...
If you don't join us, then the bad guys that are in the system are going to win.
That's how they co-opt you, because that's how those people you're talking to are probably a pretty good person, that person at Google.
They've had hundreds of their top engineers quit over this, because here's the thing.
China, in 1949, was nationalist and capitalist, and our own CIA, it's been declassified, leftist, the Ford Foundation, that's who's above the CIA, helped put the Chi-Coms in power.
It took them decades to get running water and toilets.
They have no environmental standards, no rules.
They've had all of our investment.
They've been built up because the Chinese commies will do whatever the globalists want.
When you go and you are in China, they make you become state-run to get 0% tax corporate.
That's why Trump was trying to lower ours, just to be competitive.
China has 0% corporate tax, look it up now, if you become state-sponsored, state-run.
So they're claiming, oh...
So that China doesn't rape us of our technology, we're going to go over there and spread our legs to them even more, so it's not a rape.
We're willing, and we're going to take you along with us.
So the idea that, well, if we don't give it to them, they're just going to rip it off, so let us go really give them all the big secrets and have Google last year tell the Pentagon, we're not going to help you with AI autonomous drones, but Google gave them all the latest AI, and I'll get into more sophisticated stuff in a moment, Gave them all the sophisticated AI and now China announces they've got all these AI drones that are autonomous and all these AI weapon systems to direct their aircraft.
So what I'm telling you is China has no rules.
20 years ago they had cows that produced human milk.
20 years ago, they had spiders that produced body armor.
Spider goats.
Okay?
They have human-animal hybrids 30 years ago.
They've got giant human tissue farms.
You know, you hear, oh, your Achilles is torn.
We've got a grown-in-a-lab, a tendon.
It's not a frickin' tendon grown in a lab.
It's a frickin' deal, a humanoid.
These aren't humans.
The way they get around it is they make them...
joe rogan
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
We're saying so many things.
Listen, I love you to death, but you say so many different things.
alex jones
I bet you $10 million humanoids are real.
joe rogan
I believe they are.
But you say so many different things without stopping.
It's hard for people to absorb.
alex jones
Because I'm reporting to the government agency so they'll listen and investigate.
I'm decompartmentalizing.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
This will be studied for years.
joe rogan
So...
alex jones
No, what I'm telling you is...
Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
Joe, it was in MIT Quarterly 25 years ago that they had human-animal embryos, but they killed them at the embryonic level.
You can pull it up.
joe rogan
I believe this.
alex jones
They've got humanoids.
joe rogan
I believe this.
Look, they've already used CRISPR to enhance children.
alex jones
With higher intelligence in China.
joe rogan
It was actually a side effect, they believe, of making them immune to HIV. Joe, Joe, everything they roll out has already been tested.
Oh, I believe you.
alex jones
But it has an aim.
So let me tell you what's really going on.
The globalists want to play God.
They have what they call a breakaway civilization.
So instead of talking about the breakaway civilization, I want to talk about Sandy Hook, which I get, and I appreciate you letting me cover, and I'm sorry it ever happened.
I believed it happened.
I'm sorry for people's pain.
And then I ask...
The families, and I asked the lawyers, and I asked them all, stop in my name, saying I'm the wolf at the door, saying go after these families, and stop running around through the news everywhere saying Alex Jones says Sandy Hook didn't happen.
Because the media is the most unpopular thing in the world with 7% approval rating in Gallup.
So when they say that I say it's fake, that sends people to Connecticut because people think the media lies.
So if they're saying Alex Jones said it didn't happen, it must have not happened.
And now they're trying to create a violent event.
Not the families, but I think some of the people involved know that if they make a big enough hype about it, they're going to have a big event up there in Connecticut.
You understand?
And they're going to blame it on me.
So I'm saying no, no, no.
I believe it happened.
Stop saying I said it didn't happen.
And stop saying that I'm saying no kids die.
Because I want to talk about human-animal hybrids and humanoids.
Because, Joe, why has it got to be a humanoid?
joe rogan
Why?
alex jones
Because if you make it a few percentage points, another animal or another creature, it's a gray area.
There's no human rights.
You have an animal rights movement.
You have a human rights movement.
There's no alien movement.
Aliens are real.
They're creating human-animal hybrids that are a new creature, never here on Earth.
It's alien.
So the aliens are already here.
AI is alien.
The chimeras are alien.
Aliens are already here.
joe rogan
So you're saying they're making these human-animal hybrids so they, what, harvest tissue from them?
alex jones
That's just level one.
joe rogan
What's level two?
What's level eight?
alex jones
Because a lot, I'll tell you, for the best of my knowledge, a lot of people think, oh, it's human harvesting of Falun Gong or these Buddhists who are really healthy.
That's big.
That's going on.
Because they still have a better non-rejection rate.
But with the chimeras, I remember 22 years ago reading a BBC article that was kind of testing the waters.
They occasionally test it.
And they go, oh yeah, about 15 years ago, the first animal-human chimeras were made and tested.
They were not brought to term.
But some scientists want to implant them in utero in cows.
Because obviously that's a bigger uterus.
You can grow up a bigger humanoid and get more tissue.
And so then I went, I better go research that.
So I went to UT Library at that time.
You could get something on the internet in like 1996. And I went and actually pulled up all these MIT reports.
I took them to my dad and other people who was a doctor.
And they go, yeah, that's really crazy.
And it was all about how we've got to prepare the public for this because we're going to be able to download their memories and then put it in a new body.
This is before Blade Runner.
So see, it's not like this is, the world's not imitating Blade Runner.
Blade Runner is a preparation for what's coming.
And they're telling you, more human than human.
This is going to be more advanced.
This is going to be better.
But like everything, like a cell phone or like a vaccine, it's got a Trojan horse.
It's got a back door.
It's already been tested.
It's already been perfected.
It's being rolled out.
You're not given the real technology.
You're not given the real life extension.
You're given the crap, Joe.
And the earth is seen as like an egg yolk.
To give the propulsion power for this new thing that's going to be born.
And whether you believe that or not, just like when...
joe rogan
The new thing meaning artificial intelligence?
alex jones
Beyond that.
It's a fusion of artificial intelligence and a whole synthesis of new life forms.
And so that's the big giant race when Elon Musk came in and told you.
Because he goes to these billionaire functions and he has a conscience, so he's freaked out.
And they go to these billionaire functions.
I don't just know this.
I've talked to people.
And I was in Wired Magazine 20-something years ago.
Why the future he doesn't need is Bill Joy, a billionaire, co-owner of Sun Microsystems.
He goes to a billionaire meeting with 200 guys and the consensus was, we're not going to let people play video games and party all day.
We're going to set up a world government.
We're going to slowly titrate the dose and poison the public, dumb them down, put electromagnetic radiation out with 5G that scrambles their DNA, lowers their IQ. We're going to cause mass mental illness and a controlled societal collapse that will then be organized and controlled in the mop-up crew by robots, controlled by the globalist programmers who believe...
With the off-world entities they're in communication with, that they're going to be given the operation to upload and be in that larger kind of Borg cube system if they sell the country out.
joe rogan
You've got to hit the brakes because we need to take this back to it.
I'm so baffled.
What's the matter, Jamie?
I googled one of these things.
MIT Technology Review estimates that about 20 pregnancies of pig-human or sheep-human chimeras have been established during the last 12 months in the U.S. Total eyewitness in 2016. I 100% believe it.
Look, I think that...
alex jones
This was going on in 1985. I'm sure.
They tried to recruit my dad to a DARPA program.
joe rogan
I believe that.
alex jones
In college, I think when he was a dentist.
joe rogan
I believe that.
I believe that they will take all sorts of liberties in gray areas when it comes to scientific research.
I definitely believe that.
alex jones
Did you ever see Trinity and Beyond with William Shatner?
I know you know.
joe rogan
But let's start slow because you go over so many different things.
alex jones
They detonated 200 hydrogen bombs trying to ignite the atmosphere in the 1960s.
The US Air Force tried to destroy the atmosphere in 1968. Operation Starfish Prime.
joe rogan
They actually detonated a nuclear bomb.
alex jones
It's psychotic!
joe rogan
They detonated a nuclear bomb in the upper ionosphere.
alex jones
Trying to blow up the radiation bomb.
joe rogan
Yes.
They've done a lot of goofy shit.
alex jones
But see, that's the thing.
That's why I got mad at you.
And I love you and you're a smart guy and everything.
joe rogan
Listen, you got mad at me because we didn't communicate.
alex jones
No, you know all this stuff I know.
You're even better at saying it.
And then you sit there because you can't handle it.
And you sit there and you dole it out.
joe rogan
It's not that I can't handle it.
There's two factors.
One, I don't have any time.
I don't have enough time to...
Go into it as much as you do.
alex jones
You ask why I flipped out and got mad at you?
That's it right there.
Every time I bring up a fucking subject, you know all about it!
joe rogan
I don't know all about this.
alex jones
You fucking know all about this shit!
joe rogan
I don't know all about this.
alex jones
Bullshit!
You're a smart guy!
unidentified
I don't know about this human hybrid chimeric shit.
alex jones
Joe's just dumb.
Joe just is a pot.
Bullshit!
You know exactly what you're doing.
I don't think you're a bad guy.
You're trying to survive for you and your family and do good.
My family, your family, none of us are going to make it.
There's a post-human error coming.
The breakaway civilization, the deal's been made.
It's not the third dimension.
They've made freaking deals with interdimensional aliens.
And notice the media never attacks you for that because that's the truth.
joe rogan
Maybe this is true.
I do not know this.
alex jones
We'll get into it.
joe rogan
Okay, I do not know this.
Even these human-pig hybrids, Jamie just pulled this up.
No, I believe it's true.
alex jones
I mean, I'm worried about human-pig hybrids.
I'm sorry the Sandy Hill kids died.
My identity is not that!
I get it.
They admit 5G in all the studies.
LA Times causes massive mutation and cancer.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
alex jones
And literally rattles your DNA apart.
All of our kids are under attack.
You mean 5G? And I'm mad at Trump for allowing 5G to come in.
joe rogan
This is the new internet protocol?
alex jones
You know why they won't let China put in WAPO? What's WAPO? That's the big Chinese 5G. You are on fire today.
No, the big 5G! You're on fire.
No joke.
Joe, the 5G. You're on fire.
Okay.
Remember how I told you there was a BBC article in 96 about human-animal hybrids with pigs and cows?
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
You've got to make you part cows so the cow keeps you and doesn't reject it.
Or part pig.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
Okay, but let me expand.
And you know about pigs and rats we're most closely related to.
It's not even chimpanzees.
That's why a lot of the organs don't get rejected.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
You know about that.
Yes.
joe rogan
Pigs are very close to humans.
They even use pig organs.
alex jones
Exactly.
You usually know everything.
No, it's true.
In a general knowledge, you know everything I know.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
I don't.
Let me tell you, Joe.
alex jones
We know what they're doing.
So just like they say, just like they say, oh yeah, we had human-animal hybrids.
This is like freaking...
39 years ago now.
23 years ago, I'm reading in the BBC about it and go confirm it's happened.
Okay?
And they're just floating it.
There was an article in 1999 in the Baltimore Sun.
And I interviewed Nick Begich.
You ever read a Nick Begich in?
Dr. Nick Begich?
joe rogan
No.
alex jones
Oh my God, he'd blow you away.
joe rogan
Who is he?
alex jones
His dad was a U.S. congressman that got killed.
His brother, a U.S. senator.
They're the guys that got all the money given to Native Americans.
joe rogan
Can you spell his last name?
alex jones
Begich.
He's a good friend of mine.
joe rogan
Can I get him on?
alex jones
Absolutely.
We'll fly her right now.
Anyways, the point is...
joe rogan
So what does he do?
alex jones
He was telling me all these years ago, he goes, Alex, it isn't chemicals in the food and water.
That's Child's Play.
joe rogan
Is that his last name again?
alex jones
Baggage.
I can only write it.
It's electrochemical.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
It's electrochemical.
But I'm reading in the Baltimore Sun, after I just had him on and thought he was crazy, he was giving me all these patents for mind control using wavelengths and microwaves, and I'm sitting there looking at it, and I'm reading it.
And I'm seeing it.
And the Baltimore Sun says, the CIA is testing on cell towers.
Wavelengths to calm the public during crises.
I just had Begich on with patents talking about that.
What Begich explains is it's not that the microwaves have somehow interfaced with the brain.
We already interface with the space winds and all these other magnetic fields and everything else.
So they're all just testing this stuff.
And so everything they deploy, they've got all these other technologies.
My dad was at UT in 65 when he was in high school.
They already had CD-ROMs, computers, everything.
But they had a nuclear reactor underneath the building.
He wasn't supposed to tell them.
Oh, absolutely.
That's what I'm telling you.
It's a breakaway civilization, dude.
We don't know what they've got.
We don't know.
We don't know who they're in.
We don't know the whole thing.
That's what I'm telling you is this is hiding in plain view.
And that's why it's so crazy.
Imagine if you knew all this, you're trying to tell people, and they go, oh God, he's doing that.
Find one thing he did that sounds mean and make that his whole world.
So that's what I'm telling you is...
It's been in the newspaper that the cell towers are being used for mind control.
That sounds like a schizophrenic.
So see, here's what a schizophrenic is.
joe rogan
I want to see that.
How do they use a cell tower?
alex jones
You can pull it up probably.
Look, here's the thing.
Listen, here's the deal.
Right here.
You've got a total schizophrenic that thinks the sun is following them around town and thinks their dog is watching them and works for the aliens.
That's not happening.
You've got someone over here that believes everything they see on Fox News.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
Okay?
Yes.
Questioning is good.
Science is good trying to figure out what's real.
And all of us get freaked out in the nature of the world.
No one knows what the universe is.
We don't have all the answers.
So people can't handle that bigness.
They can't handle that question, especially low IQ. So, they have to differentiate and create a model that allows them to put it in boxes so they can make it make sense because they can't handle it.
It's like they say even top astronauts spacewalk for the first time and they're out in the universe and the whole planet's under them and what are they going to do?
It's mind-blowing.
Well, imagine once you realize we don't know everything.
We don't understand and it's endless and there's all this crazy crap.
People go nuts and as humans learn more and more, as we become more advanced and go through this metamorphosis, It's going to create a giant societal crisis where most of the people are already going to get killed.
The globalists understand that in the birth of this planet, this new species.
And so they've decided to take control, make it scientific, stun everyone and dumb them down so they can scientifically try to orderly carry this operation out.
But then I go, wait a minute, you're detonating over 100 hydrogen bombs in the upper atmosphere to see if you can ignite the atmosphere and destroy the Earth.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that was in the 60s.
alex jones
I know, but what I'm telling you is the same professors train people.
joe rogan
Right, but those people are dead.
The people that detonated those hydrogen bombs in the 60s, they're dead now.
We're not dealing with the same human beings.
I'm with you on most...
alex jones
I think people in a lot of ways are more immoral now.
joe rogan
I think, I agree with you in some ways that everything evolves and things get better.
This is one of my arguments about Operation Northwoods, that if they were able to push Operation Northwoods and get it signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in 1962, was it 62?
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
If they were able to do that...
And no one went to jail.
No one got arrested for proposing that they were going to arm Cuban friendlies and have them bomb Guantanamo Bay and blow up a Cuban jetliner.
alex jones
And shoot people in movie theaters.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
And schools.
joe rogan
Yes.
Things evolve.
And if unchecked, and obviously that was unchecked, no one went to jail for that.
alex jones
Did you know even PBS covered it?
I never even knew this.
joe rogan
Let's read this one here.
The significance of the research he explained is that although the cell phone power is low, electromagnetic radiation can nevertheless have an effect on mental behavior when transmitting at the proper frequency.
What is this article, Jamie?
alex jones
Scientific American.
jamie vernon
In Scientific American, it's titled Mind Control by Cell Phone.
joe rogan
So it really does have an effect.
jamie vernon
They did a whole study on it.
alex jones
But let's go further.
joe rogan
So there is...
alex jones
So do you think that they're making this 5G... No, they declassified last year a 37-page CIA manual from the 1970s where they were putting up cell towers that look like trees already testing at neighborhoods.
joe rogan
Okay, they do that now, right?
alex jones
So the cell phone tracks you and watches you and controls you and surveils you.
And you think...
That it's one way.
But beyond that, it's a microwave relay system they can manipulate.
And then the towers are even more powerful.
So this is a device given to us by the gods.
Okay?
Given to us by the technology that the breakaway government, NASA, has developed that you don't just think they made up themselves, right?
joe rogan
What do you mean?
Who do you think made it up?
alex jones
Well, when you're ready to get to it, I want listeners to understand something.
Notice, the media is not going to cover this.
joe rogan
The media is not?
alex jones
Well, they'll cover that.
I was on the show.
They're not going to cover this.
Because this is not my opinion.
This is the real research that I have heard, that I have talked to.
Army generals, commanding generals, major generals, general generals, CIA, everybody.
And they're all 100%.
And I thought it was a sigh-out before, and then I've researched it.
I've talked to hundreds of people now, not on air, but I'm going to make a film on this, who've taken ayahuasca and DMT. I've not taken it, for obvious reasons.
And it's unbelievable, because, I mean, they 100% in San Francisco is the main project site.
Literally have an alien base.
And they are literally communicating.
And they've got like astronaut level people taking super hardcore levels of drugs and going into meetings with these things and making intergalactic deals.
And again, that's what the government believes and says they're doing.
joe rogan
When you say the government, that's a broad stroke.
You're using a broad brush.
alex jones
What do you mean by the government?
Intelligence agencies.
joe rogan
Okay, so what you're saying is essentially that they're using psychedelic drugs to communicate with interdimensional beings.
alex jones
Spirit guides.
joe rogan
Okay, everyone, everyone who's done a high dose of psychedelic drugs has had this experience.
So everyone who's listening to you...
Right now, who's done DMT or done 5 grams of psilocybin, they know that you have some kind of communication with something else.
The question is, is that something else inside your psyche, or is that something else, a chemical doorway?
Is there a chemical doorway inside the mind that opens up, and the belief is that when you die, and this is what the afterlife is, that when you die, your brain...
Produces these chemicals, these chemicals open up this doorway, and this is the portal to the next dimension.
So you're saying, you're saying that...
The government is aware of this, and they must be aware of this.
They've heard enough people talk about it.
They must have done experiments on it.
alex jones
What do scientists do?
They want to know the secrets of the universe.
joe rogan
For sure.
And people that have the courage to experiment with these things and try them themselves realize that this is such a profound experience that it's so alien that if an alien landed right now in our parking lot and a little gray man with big black eyes got out, it would be nothing compared to what I've seen on psychedelic trips.
alex jones
Well, let me just tell you.
Me getting into this, Joe, is just because people need to understand that I've known about this for a long time.
And I just don't think people are ready for it.
But a lot of folks who have low oxygen and who have...
joe rogan
Nine-volt brains?
alex jones
Well, who have sleep apnea, big necks, big heads, tongues go big.
joe rogan
Like you and me.
alex jones
You go down to 62% oxygen, that's another time that the brain releases DMT. So my whole life, since I was about, my first memories were every night was a DMT trip.
So I basically, I don't want this to sound arrogant, it's not.
I've seen everything.
joe rogan
Well, I believe that when you're dreaming, it's most likely the same chemicals that are being released.
alex jones
Well, a key point, when you go into the REM sleep, it opens the gate, which scientists have proven your brain is working in the fourth, fifth, sixth dimension.
And if you can work into those dimensions, you can see beyond it.
So what I'm trying to tell you is this.
I know you already know all this, Joe.
But for your audience, here's what's happening.
I'm not saying you're bad.
I never said you were in the CIA. I say the CIA is on record with Timothy Leary and everybody promoting hallucinogens in the 60s.
They admitted that it was a plan to try to see what it would do in the public to make them more suggestible.
But there's a larger program.
And then they kind of backed off because it kind of got out of control and actually created some people that were actually fighting them.
So it didn't have the effect they wanted.
So then they moved on.
To the ayahuasca and the DMT that they promoted, which good, strong people that have a compass don't have problems with, but weak-minded, stupid people and others.
Here's an example.
This guy's smart.
Eric Mancow-Muller, syndicated radio host.
I've known him like 15 years.
joe rogan
You just lost me.
alex jones
Well, I'm going to tell you the story.
joe rogan
You said he's smart.
alex jones
He's a nice guy.
joe rogan
I'm just kidding.
alex jones
He's a smart guy.
Don't be mad at him.
joe rogan
I've been on his show before.
alex jones
I like him.
He likes you.
joe rogan
I like him, too.
alex jones
I'm just fucking around.
Everybody's on this quest.
And I told you, I've talked to like a hundred people.
I've talked to more.
Because a lot of people are going and doing these DMT and ayahuasca trips outside Austin.
They're doing them all over the place.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
And I'm on his show and he's telling me the same story.
Everybody tells me about being in Peru or being in Costa Rica.
He went and did two trips down there.
And he said, yeah.
We're sitting there, and we take to ayahuasca, and then all these basically elves, aliens, come out of the woods, and we're all seeing the same aliens.
We're all hearing the same thing, and it's like 43 of us or whatever are seeing it.
He goes, but it was the drug's effect on our brains.
No, no, no.
A drug, everyone sees something different.
When you open a gate...
And now, interdimensionally, your brain's already filtering out most stuff because you can't handle it.
Your eyes are already seeing it.
It's like a cat when it's like seeing something or a dog.
joe rogan
Well, you know, when they first identified, there's certain components to ayahuasca, and one of them is harming.
And when they first identified it, they tried to call it telepathine.
Yes.
The reason why they called it telepathine is because when they were taking ayahuasca, they were having these group experiences that were undeniable.
They were experiencing very vividly the same things.
alex jones
So the government's obviously obsessed with this and isn't worried about...
joe rogan
But here's the problem.
Here's the problem.
That term.
The government.
Are you talking about the post office?
alex jones
No, I'm not talking about police officers down the street.
joe rogan
Are you talking about the fire department?
alex jones
I'm talking about the real ruling technotronic.
joe rogan
But who are these people?
I think the government is a shitty term.
alex jones
I know who they are.
joe rogan
Okay, but that term, the problem with that term is it lumps you into like, you know that Mel Gibson movie, Conspiracy Theory, where a wacky dude was driving a cab and believed in fucking tinfoil hat type shit?
alex jones
Because he'd been tortured.
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
alex jones
He'd be compartmentalized.
joe rogan
Yes, but that kind of stuff, when you say the government is doing it, like who is doing this?
Who's working on these experiments?
Well, you don't have to say names.
alex jones
No, no.
Joe, here's the thing.
joe rogan
Okay, maybe you want to say the government because it paints a broad brush.
alex jones
No, you're right.
It's dumb to say the government, and the big question is who runs things.
That's a smart question.
joe rogan
That's the thing is they.
When everybody says, they don't want you to know.
Do you remember that fucking guy who was ripping people off, like, weight loss secrets that they don't want you to know?
Kevin Trudeau.
And they put him in jail for that.
He's in jail right now because he won't give up the money because he's got a pile of cash somewhere and he said he would do that.
I think they said they would give him time off.
alex jones
You know, Kevin Trudeau I think is a con man.
I've met him a few times.
Very manipulative.
But I think he has a right.
To say healthcare cures or natural cures, I don't want you to know about.
joe rogan
There are some.
There are some.
But the point is, they don't.
Look, I have some love in my heart for Kevin Trudeau because he started the International Pool Tour.
He was putting a lot of money in a professional pool.
alex jones
Yeah, but I mean, here's the deal.
The OxyContin company, the documents came out, said, we're going to totally addict people and then we're going to sell them drugs to get off of it.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
That's pure freaking evil.
So lock their ass up and then we'll get to Kevin Trudeau later.
joe rogan
I agree with that.
alex jones
And I'm not even defending Kevin Trudeau because I met with Kevin Trudeau a few times.
I didn't know all about him, and it was like, he was 100% about him and a one-way friggin' street.
joe rogan
Well, I didn't get that experience with him.
Me and him just talked about pool.
I was doing some stuff with him when he was first starting the pool tour.
I came to a couple of his events.
But he, that they, this thing, they, is like...
alex jones
You always have a good way of asking questions.
Instead of saying who runs it all, you wait until I do the cliché of the government, and then you correct me.
joe rogan
What I'm doing is playing devil's advocate, and I'm also looking at it from the perspective of people.
alex jones
Let's do another hour and get Eddie in here.
Okay.
joe rogan
Do you want him to come at 2?
alex jones
No, no, no.
Not yet.
joe rogan
Do you want him to come at 2 instead of 1.30?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
alex jones
Whenever you want.
joe rogan
I'm going to text him.
alex jones
Anyways, let me try to be clear, Joe.
joe rogan
I'm having a good time with you.
I just want you to know this.
alex jones
Let me try to be clear.
I can't say all of this on air.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
Okay.
And I'm going to leave it at that.
But I'm on record 20 years ago before anybody else was talking about the clockwork elves and how the globalists think they're in touch with these entities and things.
Only because, and I don't want to get...
I'm not in the CIA. The CIA's bigger than Coca-Cola.
It's like bigger than Walmart.
I've never been in an intelligence agency.
I've never been a part of any of this stuff.
But I had family that was in advanced DARPA research projects that I don't know all the details about.
And when I was a kid, my dad told me about some of it, not knowing I'd be a talk show host later.
But like when the deputy director of the CIA needed to have a tooth pulled, he came to my dad.
Okay.
So, my dad was like the doctor to, you know, these guys.
And I remember sitting around the kitchen table, and I'm like seven.
He's like, Carol, I can't tell you all about it, but it's a classified program in Maryland, in an underground base.
And they won't give me all the details, but it's double the money I'm making now.
This is financial security.
But I think it's basically, you know, we're building cyborgs.
And we've got special forces that have volunteered so we can infiltrate the Russians and get the codes and systems in.
I believe it's in planting.
But messages in their teeth.
And I also think, as I do implants, I think it's a brain surgery program for microchips.
And so I'm hearing, and my carol's like, David, I'm sick of these people.
And you've already done so much for the government.
And look what they've already done to you and my brother.
You're not going to be, you know, I want you out of this.
So this is like, you know, seven, eight years old, and you're hearing about the cyborgs.
Okay?
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
So, that's the kind of stuff that I grew up seeing.
And, you know, oh, let's go get your uncle.
He's coming off a C-130, you know, army thing, in an army uniform from Guatemala.
You know, there's like armed guys with machine guns.
I mean, I don't know, okay?
And I don't need to know, okay?
The point is, is that's what I grew up, you know, the type of stuff I saw.
And my dad never told me about all this stuff when I was older till...
It was like 12 years ago, and I was finishing Endgame Blueprint for Global Enslavement.
It's free, still online.
And it's all about the world government and how the cell phone's watching you and everything's proven in it.
It didn't come true, it was already true.
And the plan for one world government and don't have kids and all that, an attack on the family.
And we were going to go to a ballet recital for like my, you know, three-year-old daughter.
She's like 14 now or whatever.
And they sit down for like an hour and watch the end of the film.
It's a three-hour film.
And my mom goes, David, that's not true.
He goes, yes, it's all true.
When I was a junior in high school, they recruited me into the program there, and they brought us in.
They said the Nazis were wrong because they were only targeting certain groups.
We're going to target everybody, and it's a planetary breakaway in world government, and blah, blah, blah.
There's a nuclear reactor under UT and all this other stuff, which later I went and researched.
It's actually true.
It's not even hidden.
But the point is, it's not that my dad was even that special.
My dad was like...
Scored like the 6th smartest in Texas.
And they had a group of less than 10 kids, and they brought them in as juniors in high school.
And said, we're going to do all this.
Like, they recruited them because they all wanted to be in NASA. That's why I'm wearing the NASA shirt.
So when Eddie gets in here.
Because Eddie's right, NASA's a big secret group.
It's the other side of the breakaway government.
There's the CIA breakaway government in 1947. And there's Kennedy setting up NASA in 1961. So there are two different competing breakaway governments.
And those are the real governments in the U.S. When you say by breakaway governments, what do you mean?
Breakaway governments, breakaway civilizations, it's the real groups that are like the cult.
You say, who are they?
They're scientist cults who are based on your psychic ability and on your IQ and then on your commitment to the program.
And so the program starts with, will you go inject black people with syphilis for a greater cause?
Or will you do research programs on babies where we tell poor women, That, oh, your baby died right when they were born.
We're going to go keep the baby alive and sometimes kill them, sometimes harvest them, sometimes do experiments on them.
So that's why a lot of nurses have noticed now that babies disappear at birth.
They tell them, oh, your baby died.
That's why the governor said, who's actually an orphan harvesting doctor, he goes, we keep the babies alive after they're born and have a discussion.
They are getting caught now because we've decompartmentalized.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
I'm confused at what you're saying.
alex jones
The Seattle just never ends.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What are you saying?
What are they doing with babies?
alex jones
You saw the governor of Virginia say, we keep babies alive after they're born and kill them, right?
joe rogan
Well, I didn't see that.
alex jones
We keep them comfortable?
joe rogan
But I am very, very concerned with late-term abortions.
alex jones
This is post-birth, Joe.
Understand, how much money do you think they get for a seven-and-a-half-pound baby they can keep alive for two weeks?
And mama doesn't know.
If they can register the organs and get bitters, Then they can make $500,000.
A sanguated baby they kill on the spot only gets $50,000.
joe rogan
But are you saying that they take the baby from the mother and the mother doesn't know that the baby's alive?
alex jones
Yeah.
You know how they engineered tomatoes to last on the shelf?
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
You can pull all this up.
California's passed it.
Virginia's about to pass it.
New York's trying to pass it.
California's trying to pass it.
Three other states are trying to pass it.
To keep babies alive and allow...
Notice the governor goes...
We don't want...
It's a three-minute clip.
Pull it up.
We don't want the government involved.
The doctors and the mother who's drugged up, you didn't say that, are going to decide about the future.
And maybe she keep baby alive a week.
Maybe she's trying to get rid of baby.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
Is this a viable baby?
There's nothing wrong with this baby?
alex jones
Viable?
The Senate voted three days ago on Monday.
To not pass a bill for post-birth abortion, to not kill...
joe rogan
Wait, wait, wait.
Post-birth?
alex jones
It says viable babies already born can be killed.
If the bioethics board...
I bet you 10 million...
joe rogan
Please pull that up, Jamie.
We've got to figure it out.
alex jones
Because I know the listeners won't believe me.
jamie vernon
I'm finding posts about this, but it says that it's been taken out of context.
alex jones
What is that, Media Matters?
Snopes.
jamie vernon
Huffington Post says that.
Snopes says it's mostly false.
joe rogan
Ah, Huffington Post.
alex jones
Snopes said.
Hey, why don't you do this, Jamie?
Jamie, go to the source of the governor.
Go to YouTube and type in...
Governor of Virginia talks about post-birth abortion and watched the unedited three-minute video.
joe rogan
How do you call it abortion if it's already been born?
alex jones
Well, that's what Trump said.
He said a month ago when this first broke, he said...
And see, the left is so compartmentalized.
I'm not saying you're the left, but mainstream media, whatever.
We're so censored now.
They're making their move right now.
joe rogan
Who's they?
alex jones
The globalists, technocracy, the mad scientists, the guys that want to learn the secrets of the universe.
joe rogan
So what you're saying is a lot of this censorship, a lot of this is about...
alex jones
Joe, I will give one million...
I don't have ten million.
I will give, before God and country, to Jamie's...
I'm not kidding.
I will give one million dollars to your charity of choice.
No, no, listen to me.
This is serious, Jamie.
You need to come after the children.
I will give you $1 million if you can prove that I'm making up that the governor said we keep babies alive after they're born.
We keep them comfortable.
And then it turns out he's an organ harvesting thing and that's what they're doing.
So they keep babies alive.
Don't go to Snopes.
Go to the governor.
Go to the governor of Virginia.
And that's why they went ahead and burned him for the blackface that they were using to blackmail him.
They already had that on him.
joe rogan
That's the same guy?
alex jones
Yeah, same guy.
As soon as he said...
As soon as Trump, and we all covered it, as soon as he tweeted, he said, yes, we're getting rid of babies after they're already born.
joe rogan
You don't want none of that.
alex jones
No.
joe rogan
You already figured out what George Soros is putting in it, right?
alex jones
No, I mean, I oversimplified that and the media took that out.
joe rogan
I know.
I'm just joking around.
alex jones
I said they've weaponized marijuana into an hallucinogen category so it causes more schizophrenia.
joe rogan
I think it does.
alex jones
I said that two years ago in court.
I agree with you.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it does.
I think it does with certain people.
alex jones
I've had a lot of friends who are already susceptible.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
And the weed's so strong that they start thinking that I'm wearing swastika shoes.
joe rogan
No, listen, I agree with you on that.
I mean, I think I've simplified it.
alex jones
Strong alpha types needed to not have a heart attack.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know if I needed to not have a hard time.
alex jones
Remember when you wanted me to smoke pot with you in that bathroom shooting a video as a joke like 20 years ago?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
alex jones
And I said it makes me paranoid.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was funny.
alex jones
Joe, the only time I feel fear.
joe rogan
Remember when we were wearing fucking George Bush and George Bush senior masks dancing around the Capitol?
It was a fun time.
alex jones
Value the beast.
joe rogan
Value the beast!
And with the song that you wrote, you wrote that fucking song about it?
alex jones
Jamie, Jamie, this isn't a joke.
I will give one million dollars.
joe rogan
You don't have to give any money, but I believe you.
I just want to listen.
alex jones
No, but I have skin in the game.
I can pull it up on my phone.
joe rogan
I believe you.
I mean, he's going to find it.
We'll listen to it.
You don't have to.
We're listening to you.
alex jones
And then he uses these arguments.
He uses these arguments.
unidentified
He goes, well, sometimes the baby is defoomed.
alex jones
No, they want the organs.
You saw all the Planned Parenthood videos out of Texas and California two years ago that Project Veritas and others got where they're saying, I'm getting a yellow Ferrari.
Man, I'm making hundreds of thousands off each baby week with partial birth.
They keep the baby alive.
They take it in the back.
And then they have a van pull-up that takes it to a Chinese government-run facility in the U.S., and they got the sucker.
joe rogan
Let's listen to this.
jamie vernon
Is this the video where he says it?
joe rogan
After birth, abortion.
Is this it, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I hope so.
joe rogan
Is this it, Alex?
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
We had a committee hearing yesterday when Fairfax County Delegate Kathy Tran made her case for lifting restrictions on third trimester abortions, as well as other restrictions now in place.
And she was pressed by a Republican delegate about whether her bill would permit an abortion, even as a woman is essentially dilating, ready to give birth.
And she answered that it would permit an abortion at that stage of labor.
Do you support her measure and explain her answer?
ralph northam
Yeah, you know, I wasn't there, Julie, and I certainly can't.
Speak for Delegate Tran, but I would tell you, one, first thing I would say, this is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, and the mothers and fathers that are involved.
unidentified
Usurping law.
alex jones
Jay, I didn't mean to interrupt.
Back it up in 10 seconds.
Notice he's usurping law.
Their whole plan is bioethics.
I'll explain in a minute.
joe rogan
Let's let him talk.
It's only two minutes.
ralph northam
Mothers and fathers that are involved.
There are, you know, when we talk about third trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent.
Of the physicians, more than one physician, by the way.
And it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities.
There may be a fetus that's non-viable.
So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen.
The infant would be delivered.
The infant would be kept comfortable.
The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired.
And then a discussion would ensue between the physician And do you think multiple physicians should have to weigh in as is currently
unidentified
required?
She's trying to lift that requirement.
ralph northam
Well, I think it's always good to get a second opinion and for at least two providers to be involved in that decision because these decisions shouldn't be taken lightly.
And so, you know, I would certainly support more than one provider.
unidentified
All right.
Let's go back to the phone.
joe rogan
Wow, that's a weird thing that she just kind of let him say.
alex jones
Would you like to do the rest of the story?
joe rogan
But hold on a second.
What's weird is that they were talking about resuscitating the baby.
That they would keep the baby alive, then a decision would be made.
Isn't that...
That's like euthanasia.
Like, you can't even do that to your Grammy.
alex jones
That's why you're so smart, John.
I'm not kissing your ass.
joe rogan
But you can't do that to your Grammy, right?
Your Grammy's like 80 years old.
You can't just kill her.
alex jones
Remember the Newsweek cover?
The case for killing Granny?
They say that, so let me explain.
Now you've got it.
Did you hear that, Legalese?
Turns out, when I saw that clip a month ago, because they had them doing debate about the bill, and they said, yeah, we'll kill babies after they're born.
And they're debating, well, how far along?
Well, whatever the doctors say.
But it's jurisprudence.
There's law.
You can't do that.
So this is saying, oh, the government's not involved.
This is the medical system usurping.
If they can kill a baby after it's born, because sometimes they defoam.
No, see, sometimes they defoam.
Here's the key.
Notice, he said, we resuscitate.
They don't consider you alive until the bioethics board.
It says that you're a viable human.
And under the bioethics in Europe and under the UN now, which is all Nazi.
By the way, the EU was set up by the Nazis.
Volkswagen, I'm not against Volkswagen itself, but that was literally drawn, the first Volkswagen by Hitler.
Audi, the Olympic symbol.
I mean, Hitler was a really bad dude, but he literally, so much of our world's government by him.
NASA, everything.
They had a system where they first killed babies they thought were deformed.
That was 1934. And the final solution happened like six, seven years later.
And so he's saying, because they've got a big problem, they've got undercover videos, they're keeping babies alive.
You want to pull those up?
I'm not BSing.
There's dozens.
So they've got to start getting it going now with governor physicians and people to go, because the nurses are freaking out.
And they're saying, we're keeping babies alive and they get put in a van and drive away.
What's going on?
They're like, well, we're going to keep them comfortable.
So the baby's worth $500,000.
joe rogan
Who's paying that?
alex jones
In the chain of delivery, just on time delivery.
I mean, each organ's worth a lot of money.
And so, but if you kill them right on the spot, they're like, why are we wasting this seven pounds of meat?
So see, if they can keep them alive, and now they've built these new wings.
They've built new wings.
They have wings.
Where they go, oh, we consider the baby dead.
The mother decided it didn't live.
If she decides we resuscitate and it lives, But it didn't resuscitate.
It's flesh.
It's a legalese.
It's passed into a special ward with doctors that make a few million a year.
And the little flesh ball is kept alive and comfortable until all the orders come in the plains land and they take the organs and they take the blood and they take the skin, Joe.
unidentified
You see how it worked?
alex jones
Now you know why.
joe rogan
You're freaking me out with his voice.
unidentified
No, no, but see, it's a southern loving voice.
joe rogan
Oh.
alex jones
You see, my dad knew organ harvesters in Dallas, and he said, don't sign your organ donor card.
They've got corrupt hospitals where if you're totally viable, they take your organs.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
alex jones
And then I said, Dad, you're crazy, but I didn't sign the organ donor card.
And then my dad owned a hospital, too, in Dallas.
Then...
When I was a decade later at my grandparents' house before my grandpa died, watching 60 Minutes, and it was Dallas, Texas, and Chicago caught killing people that were viable to take their organs.
Tonight, the 60 Minutes expose.
And it was the freaking hospital my dad told me about.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
alex jones
So, Joe, that's what I'm telling you is, were you at the kitchen table when you were eight hearing about cyborgs?
See, that's why I know about this.
My dad never got fully into it.
He decided to get out of it.
And he decided to get out of it.
joe rogan
You're legitimately freaking me the fuck out.
alex jones
Joe, I will let you.
joe rogan
You know, the problem is some of it makes sense because people figure out a way to rationalize a lot of things.
And if you see a guy who's mangled in a car accident but he's still alive and you know you can sell the organs.
alex jones
His back's broken.
He can save five lives.
Make him comfortable.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean...
alex jones
Joe!
joe rogan
But the thing is...
How many people would have to be involved for that to be real?
alex jones
Joe, I can show you, let's not exaggerate, 15 videos of Planned Parenthood workers laughing, saying, I made a million bucks last year.
It's incredible.
If we can just keep them alive longer, we'll get 10 times the money.
We're only getting 50 grand per baby because we've got to kill them before they leave the building.
The mother doesn't know.
They talk her into it.
Oh, ma'am, you're three months pregnant.
Oh, the baby might have a problem.
Might have a heart murmur.
Oh, the ultrasound.
Oh, yeah.
And then they get the...
You understand?
This is the truth.
They then keep it alive, but only a few hours.
And they've got to get planes coming in and vans, and they don't get the full price because they can't put it on the auctions.
They've got digital corporate auctions.
Look this up for organs.
joe rogan
Let me bring something up to you.
I had this guy on yesterday.
This guy who wrote this book, El Narco, his name is Yohan Grillo, and he's an investigative journalist who lives in Mexico, and he studies the cartels.
alex jones
They show organs.
joe rogan
And this is one of the things he was saying, was that they get these people used to killing.
And they were getting these kids and having these kids kill at a young age and dismember people.
And they were doing it to get the fear out of their body.
So this one guy who they had a nickname for him, Tyson, he was a cop.
But he was also in charge of hiring these little kids and training these little kids to be assassins.
And he would teach them how to dismember people.
And he was going into it.
And all the things they did and all the beheadings that they did.
he was saying that they'd try to that the in certain Certain groups of people, when they have this organization, they try to get them used to horrific acts.
alex jones
Well, it's called the cement of blood.
And that's a Heinrich Himmler term, head of the SS, is that the SS, you know, Hitler had about seven, eight years before he launched the war.
So he got like 12-year-olds ready for war.
And they would get them, like, having fun and swimming and working out and boxing.
And then they would, like, when they were, like, 15, give them a super hot hooker and then give them drugs.
LSD didn't get discovered in Switzerland.
Hitler was putting them all on it.
DMT, everything.
And they would then have these religious experiences and say, you're invincible.
You're Superman.
This has all been declassified, but it's in more esoteric writings.
And so they would get them all wound up.
And then...
To graduate as an SS officer, after you've had a dog like five years, you had to strangle your German Shepherd.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was my friend Ari.
His dad was in the Israeli Special Forces.
One of those, one branch, would you remember what branch it was?
One branch of the Israeli military, they had to kill a kitten.
alex jones
Jews are just like anybody else.
There's good people, there's bad people.
But yeah, Israel, because they got so screwed by the Nazis, in a lot of sickening ways, has kind of copied a lot of it.
And by the way, the Palestinians are trying to kill them and blow them up.
My point is that the Nazis got evil down so much that we brought 34,000 in to run NASA, to run the universities.
joe rogan
Operation Paperclip.
alex jones
Everybody wanted Nazis.
They were winning the lottery.
Because they were all robots that would do whatever they were told.
joe rogan
Well, Wernher von Braun was absolutely, yeah.
And he was a Nazi.
alex jones
So what would happen was, first they gave him sex, they gave him power, they would really pressure him to go through things, and then they would basically just condition them to do whatever they were told, and they called the cement of blood, because then...
It's just like satanic cults say, you know, kill your dog.
I mean, I remember when I was growing up in Rockwell, Texas, I ran into like a satanic cult.
I was like, God, this girl's a senior in high school.
She's super hot.
I'm in ninth grade, and like she's picking me up in her Mercedes, and I'm taking me to some mansion.
And the sex with her is incredible.
And I'm walking out of the house, because I look like I was about 16 when I was, you know, 13. And the dad goes, you like screwing my daughter?
Yeah, I screw her too.
And just as soon as you join us, you love Lucifer, you get all the hell you want, boy, because we want you.
joe rogan
What?
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Really?
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
But that's, yeah, man, I've had an incredible life.
Look at all this I do now.
But the point is, is that, oh, you're in L.A., you know about all this.
But the point is, I don't know about all that.
The point is, is that then the Satanists, because I never really got into Satanists, and they said, well, what do you want?
We want you to kill your dog.
And so the point is that now, all these years later, kill a loving thing that serves you, cares about you, is interface.
Dogs are very psychic.
They're psychic buffers.
Dogs are able to interface with you.
And they want you to take something that's ready to die for you, and they want you to kill that.
That's like killing a child.
A dog is very similar to a child.
Very spiritual, very holy, very good.
A dog will take on its master's aura, and it can be evil.
Joe, I'm just totally spilling my gut, sir.
People need to know about all this, and this is what's going on, and this is what's happening.
So they want the cement of blood, is they get people in a group, and they get them to do horrible, evil things during peer pressure, and then they create this synthesis.
You have to know the darker elements of the criminal networks that are inside our government are actually running Mexico as a laboratory test.
Because they know Native Americans are gung-ho, and they're tough, and they're ready to fight.
I'm part Native American, only like 6%, Comanche, and Texas, and just that little bit makes me wild.
And so they can get them, because they're powerful, they're smart, they're neat, they're cool, but genetically, they go into groupthink really, really fast.
And so Native Americans, you can mind control really fast.
joe rogan
Why is that?
alex jones
Well, it's like Vietnam.
I mean, you know the Bering Land Strait, and basically they test the genetics of Mesoamericans.
It's basically Chinese.
Or Hun, because there was always some whites and Vikings even 10,000 years ago going into the area.
But in fights, like in Korea fighting the Chinese, that's who were really fighting there, or Vietnam.
Do you think, I mean, they're like, they're conscious and real people, but when they get into a fight, they all sync up and are robots and have no fear.
I mean, you're talking about psychotic killers you're fighting.
And so Asians are about the most fearless killers there are.
joe rogan
Like the Mongols?
alex jones
Any of them.
I mean, once Asians go to war, it's like they do not, it's, in fact, they're not even crazed going wild in a battle.
They're like robots coming to kill you.
joe rogan
So what do you think that's from?
Do you think that's from their heritage of war?
Like if you think about Japan, Japan has a long history of being a noble warrior culture with the samurais and all the martial arts that have come from there.
alex jones
But you say, is it from the nobility?
It's the genetics.
The genetics is what creates, you know, it's like 500 of you loading planes and go kill yourselves.
joe rogan
That's what I'm saying.
No, I agree with you.
What I'm saying is, think about a place like Japan where so much martial arts came from.
Kendo, sword fighting, karate, a bunch of different branches of karate, judo, jiu-jitsu, Japan.
All that stuff came from Japan.
I mean, that is a group of people that were obsessed with combat.
I mean, they figured out combat.
alex jones
The ruling class was.
joe rogan
Well, not just that, the soldiers and even the civilians.
alex jones
No, no, I agree, but the ruling class was the samurai, the shoguns.
joe rogan
The ruling class was the shoguns, right?
When you think about what a small place Japan is, and how stunning it is that so much innovation, especially in terms of my line of work, martial arts...
alex jones
And I don't get into bell curves, because you've got black people that are as smart as any white person, and then you've got black people that are way better at sports or whatever.
There are genetic differences.
And then you've got the head of your former...
It was Cold Springs Harbor, Watson, comes out and says blacks aren't human, all that BS. That's just the racist crap that's in the government.
But it's true that some groups of Northern Europeans...
And then the Japanese, on average, per capita, have the highest IQ. And so they're Japanese, and then there are some Northern Europeans that have the highest IQs.
But then you can get into, like, say, Jews have very high IQs on average.
joe rogan
European Jews have an extraordinary high number of Nobel Prize winners.
alex jones
It's a bunch of...
So there's not just one type of intelligence.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, for sure, yeah.
Well, there's...
I mean, there's tests that you can run in terms of mathematics, but there's no real test you can run in terms of social intelligence.
alex jones
Real test is psychic connectivity.
They've proven the DNA is a transceiver.
And so my skill is, that's why I'm usually kind of like almost autistic, is I'm just being constantly, like everything that's going on.
But then if I actually focus in, I can like figure out the exact enemy operation.
That's why they're really pissed.
joe rogan
They.
alex jones
People that are Jewish, that are German, that are Chinese, that are Japanese, that are Italian, that are Mexican, people that either through fear or whatever get into dark side, light side.
Get into, don't give people the knowledge, control the people, dumb them down, dominate them because they're only rocket fuel for you to go to the next level.
joe rogan
You know what's interesting about this?
Not that you're right or wrong.
What's interesting is how many people resist the idea that it's possible for someone to try to control everybody.
And if you just go back in history, just go back to World War II and how Hitler controlled Germany.
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That's it.
alex jones
They tell you no one's trying to control you.
That's all that's going on.
joe rogan
But that one is a particularly fantastic one because it was a culture that came out of a bad time, right?
Out of World War I. Versailles Treaty.
And this guy offered them...
He offered them this idea of a master race.
The master race is a crazy idea.
alex jones
But if you look at the black Israelites, or you look at La Raza or Mecha, or you look at some of the right-wing Jewish groups, the Chinese, every group says what the master race is.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, sure.
But, I mean, how many have tried to engineer it the way Hitler did?
That's what's really crazy.
alex jones
Well, no, exactly.
The reason the globalists...
You want to get the secret of Hitler?
joe rogan
No, but I'm saying...
alex jones
What, Hitler's secret?
joe rogan
But hold on a second.
What I'm saying is that...
It is amazing that there is a guy who has this idea of a master race.
But people rejected it worldwide.
It was one of the most evil aspects of who he was.
That's really interesting to me.
That people rejected it.
Because they knew it was like an improper calculation.
alex jones
The general public rejected it.
Other elites tried to duplicate it.
joe rogan
It was an improper calculation.
The calculation was the only way to get people...
You want to get a master race?
You have to have master genetics.
But what it didn't take into account was compassion.
It didn't take into account what's necessary to have a real healthy community.
That was a slow, like a quick flash community because everybody was like hyper-focused on the nation.
To have a real long-term community, you have to have compassion.
You have to have camaraderie.
And there's going to be people that aren't in the master race.
alex jones
You can't use the leftist compassion.
When they support China and death camps and genetic engineering.
No, you're right.
The left saw, oh, compassion.
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You're right.
alex jones
We can't hurt anyone's feelings.
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We're helping arrest Falun Gong and sell their organs.
alex jones
But we're Google.
joe rogan
Alex, talk to me.
You're right.
You're right.
The left has giant flaws.
It has giant flaws in its ridiculous ideas.
alex jones
As you know, I'm against war.
joe rogan
I am too.
alex jones
And so now you've seen national studies show this Gallup poll.
Democrats now support war more than Republicans.
joe rogan
Well, this is about what?
This is about pulling out of Syria?
alex jones
Trump's trying to denuclearize, and everybody's loving it in South Korea and Japan and North Korea, and he's actually got them to not fire missiles and destroy nuclear science.
joe rogan
There's a real problem in people not being able to say that anything that Trump does is good.
alex jones
If a Democrat was doing what Trump was doing on some issues, I disagree with some, I would support them.
I don't give a damn what their D or R. And so then, Trump got rid.
He's getting rid of the minimum sentences.
I mean, Hillary Clinton, you know, oh God, I saw this the other day.
I know I'm ranting.
But I was watching, I forget who the top Democrat was.
They were on CNN. I meant to play the clip of my show and I didn't do it.
And they go, they go, they go, President Trump thinks blacks.
Yeah, the clip was CNN. CNN says Trump thinks blacks are stupid.
And it was a CNN panel going, Trump says blacks are super predators.
Who have to be brought to heel.
And Joe, that's Hillary Clinton 1994 after she passed the Crime Act.
That's her quote.
So they're inverting reality, knowing our talking point is she did that, and we have the video.
Type in Hillary says blacks are super predators.
They said Trump did it.
It's not about Trump.
It's that he didn't do that.
joe rogan
Okay, but let's get back to what we were trying to say, was that if he does anything good, no one can accept it because he's on the wrong team.
That's part of the problem with what's going on.
It's part of the problem with people willing to accept ridiculous shit on the left and people willing to accept ridiculous shit on the right.
Is that we get on a team.
And that the people that are on the left, they can't admit if the economy's going well.
They can't admit if things...
alex jones
Well, Bill Maher said, let's crash the economy.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I know you like Bill.
Listen, I've been on his show before, and I talked to him once.
We did a show together once with Craig Titus.
alex jones
No, nobody can lie and say that he's not very talented, and that he's more truthful than most leftists.
He says, I want abortion, I want death, I want more room on the highway.
joe rogan
He's a comic.
I'm telling you, man, the shit that he's saying, he's only saying because he thinks it'll work.
alex jones
And I don't mean it, but I'm just saying with his bits, I'm just saying his bits.
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
You'd have to talk to him.
But what I'm saying is, when he starts talking, people are saying, oh, Bill Maher's mocking the Red States.
He's doing a bit.
He's doing a bit.
Like, he thought there's funny in that.
That's all it is.
Like, if you talk to him about his legitimate opinions, he's capable of having a conversation about legitimate opinions.
alex jones
No, but I agree.
joe rogan
And you can disagree or disagree.
alex jones
He's wrong on that point.
Which point?
To say that the red states want to be the blue states, the demographics show the opposite.
joe rogan
I think it's just a joke.
I really do.
I don't think he even means it.
I mean, if he does mean it, I disagree with him, but I think it's a joke.
alex jones
Let me have a beef with you on this, and I'm not saying you're wrong.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
Because everything I've learned is great.
There's mixtures of everything.
Yes.
And by the time I go to the next thought, I forget the last thought.
But the point is that...
joe rogan
What we were saying was that he was doing a joke about the red states wishing that they were the blue states and you were saying that that's wrong.
And I was saying, he's just fucking around.
He's like prodding.
alex jones
That's it.
That's it.
Mainstream news is dead.
It has very low ratings.
I mean, it went down to almost nothing.
And they go, oh, ratings are up in the Trump era like a dead cat bounce.
It's like 10% of what it used to be.
Larry King used to have 15 million viewers.
Now the top CNN show has a million.
So we're looking at that.
This is the future.
This is where the people are.
Real things.
Not scripted.
No teleprompters.
There's no teleprompters here.
This is real.
And so they get up on television.
I'm literally having Alzheimer's.
What was the point again?
joe rogan
We were talking about...
Jesus Christ.
alex jones
One problem.
Here's the thing.
Here's the problem with no teleprompter.
I am literally...
I literally tell you what's in my brain.
This is like my truth.
It doesn't mean I'm accurate.
It doesn't mean I'm perfect.
It means I'm telling you what I really thought.
Oh, I know what it is.
No one's watching mainstream news.
joe rogan
No one's watching mainstream news.
alex jones
But let me tell you what they are watching.
The big five.
The nightly comic shows and Comedy Central shows, The Daily Show.
Trevor Noah, Stephen Colbert, all those guys.
joe rogan
Because they want some relief.
alex jones
But it's not.
They want relief.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
I used to watch.
The ratings are down.
It's still not as bad as other stuff.
Because now that no one's watching news.
joe rogan
Doesn't Sean Hannity do really well?
Isn't his show very popular?
alex jones
Only Fox because it's seen as an alternative, just like you.
But what I'm saying is.
The problem is I'm not articulating this well.
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That's okay.
alex jones
Because it's the truth.
It's not like some package thing.
They have turned all of the so-called comic shows into fake comics posing as fake news people, putting out political commentary, which people take as real and believe on the street.
And so that's where all the propaganda is.
And so you say, Bill Maher's just joking around.
Bill Maher's just over here.
Bill Maher doesn't know what he's doing.
It's all a unified message.
They have Stephen Colbert get up on air and say that I'm a KKK member and make jokes.
And you know what?
People shouted at me on the street.
joe rogan
Well, that's unfortunate.
But what I will say about what they're trying to do, they're not trying to deliver information.
They're trying to crack jokes.
I guarantee you, there's a whole writing staff behind Bill Maher shows.
alex jones
I know, but all those hosts admit that the Democrats call them and tell them what to write now.
joe rogan
I don't know if that's true, but if it is as true and they do listen, that's not good, and that's unfortunate.
alex jones
Who's the guy you host the man show with?
joe rogan
Doug Stanhope.
alex jones
No, the other guy.
joe rogan
He hosted it too.
There's Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla.
alex jones
Jimmy Kimmel says he gets calls every day from Chuckie Schumer, and they work on what he says.
joe rogan
For his television show?
alex jones
This is what's so frustrating.
joe rogan
He might have been fucking around, though.
alex jones
No, dude.
It's talking points, man.
joe rogan
Okay, I believe you.
I believe you.
alex jones
When Hillary lost, Jimmy Fallon went from being funny to being totally weaponized.
joe rogan
So you think it was NBC's idea?
Do you think it was someone in the government that contacts NBC and says...
alex jones
Here's an example.
There's a very well-known UFC fighter that you know.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
Who has shows on Discovery and History Channel.
I'm not going to say his name.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
And I got a call about a month ago, and they're like, wow, this is incredible.
Don't say my name, but you can talk about it.
They were going to offer me this new big lucrative show, but they said, you're going to come out and denounce Alex Jones on the show, or we're not going to give you the show, and he said no.
So, hell yeah, man.
joe rogan
Huh.
You're going to denounce him on the show.
Why would they need that from you?
alex jones
From him?
joe rogan
Yeah, but why would they need that from him?
alex jones
Because here's what's happening.
joe rogan
Why would they need him to denounce you on the show?
alex jones
I'm not that important.
joe rogan
But that gives you even more attention.
alex jones
Well, let me explain.
That's their delusion.
Okay, well, then why did everybody else censor?
Why did Hitler censor?
Why did the Russians censor?
Like, you think, most of the time censorship actually works.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's a weird one, man.
Someone's saying they're not going to give you a gig unless you specifically denounce Alex Jones.
alex jones
It happened.
joe rogan
What kind of show is it?
Is it a cooking show?
alex jones
No.
Joe, let me break this down for you.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
I swear on my kids I told you the truth about that.
joe rogan
I believe you.
I believe you.
But I'm saying it just seems so crazy that they would ask him to denounce you on a television show.
I'm not saying it's impossible.
alex jones
That's what everybody who's not independent is told because they're beholding other people.
You're a rarity.
I'm one of the only people that's not beholding any other network of people.
You realize?
I'm not just saying this is some kinship.
Who else?
Has a big, mega-popular show that's multimedia that isn't controlled by a parent company.
joe rogan
Adam Carolla.
alex jones
Yep.
joe rogan
Who else?
Most podcasters.
alex jones
No, no, but see.
joe rogan
When you look at the numbers that most podcasters are putting out now.
alex jones
And that's what you're threatened by, though.
But, I mean, almost all of them are backed by something.
I know for a fact that you run your own show.
joe rogan
Yep.
That's a fact.
alex jones
Look, I've got some notes here, and all I want to say is this.
joe rogan
I want to point one point that you had about that that was really good.
You were saying that if you censor yourself, you're just like, I'll just censor myself a little bit.
alex jones
Oh, you wanted to make this point when we started the show, but please make it.
This is the big enchilada.
joe rogan
You made it in the back.
alex jones
We'll start over.
joe rogan
And it's right.
We were talking, and we were...
First of all, we gave each other a big hug.
We talked it out.
We're both happy that we're not...
Angry at each other.
And then when we started talking, you made a really good point.
You said, the thing is, if you censor yourself just 1%, you say, I'll just censor myself 1%.
That's what they want.
I'm going to make them happy.
And then they're just going to keep moving it.
They're just going to keep moving it forward, moving the goalposts, and providing you with more money and giving you more things, but keep moving it in a certain direction.
And if you keep giving into it...
They're going to have a hold of you.
And they can control you.
And that's how network television got started.
If you really think about what network television is, the reason why they don't swear and they don't have explicit content isn't because people wouldn't want to see it.
The reason is because the advertisers won't let them.
There's a whole commerce aspect to it.
It's not just, hey, you're the CSI guys, or hey...
alex jones
Exactly, and so now they've organized with Sleeping Giants and Media Matters a couple million people that call and threaten and attack anybody, and then notice, Joe, once they're done with me, now it's, Joe, you better not have this person on, or you better have that person on.
And so what is your soul?
What is your destiny worth?
And I always thought I was smart, because I could analyze politics and history.
I was kind of socially retarded.
joe rogan
I don't think you're allowed to say that anymore.
alex jones
Exactly.
But I mean, I was.
And so that's what I'm getting at is the biggest lie is I want people to know the truth.
I don't come up with some cold-blooded calculation about what I think is going to advance my personal life.
I really care about people.
And in the process, I've seen things wrong.
I've grown.
I've hurt people.
I apologize.
joe rogan
Listen, that's true.
That's true what you're just saying about you.
And this is one of the things that I've always tried to explain to people.
If people get mad at me for knowing you, I'm like, I have a great time with that guy every time I see him.
You and I have had a great time in Austin.
We had a great time at the UFC. We've hung out at numerous comedy shows that I've done in Austin.
I've done your show.
alex jones
We were in films 20 years ago.
joe rogan
We've had a lot of fun together.
And so when people get mad at you about Sandy Hook or about anything, I just go, even when you were mad at me, I wasn't mad at you.
I was like, I just got to talk to him.
It's one of the reasons Eddie Bravo got the two of us to talk to him.
Once we talk and just be honest with each other, we'll be fine.
alex jones
And I want to clear this up.
Because when I was going big guns on you, just so you know what it's like to be judged, I I thought that you probably never had me on the show.
It was not an attempt to get back on your show.
joe rogan
Listen, I knew that if I'd gotten to the point where you were that upset, that I must have made mistakes too.
I'm not that person that sees things and always points in the other direction.
I'm a fucking ruthless self-critic.
Ruthless.
I'm terrible.
I beat myself up about everything.
I'll flub one word on stage and I'll sleep three hours at night because I'll be tossing and turning in my sleep.
alex jones
Let me raise this to you.
And again, self-doubt is a good thing.
It's not going to be a narcissist and crazy.
I got offered at the time like $5 million worth of Bitcoin.
I think it was like $38 million by the time it got there.
I refused it.
And I got told like eight years ago, I got told by two different people, very well-known rich people, they said, Jordan Soros likes you.
He wants to work with you and Alexander Soros and his other Soros.
You just need to stop attacking him.
And by the way, we want you to pump Bitcoin, which I believe in cryptocurrencies.
I believe it's the future.
We got a private Federal Reserve.
It's all fiat.
I'm not judging anybody.
I'm just saying be careful.
And I was so dumb back then.
I don't even say so dumb.
I was not in the corrupt mindset, the way the world worked.
Like I knew how politics worked and I knew how science worked and I knew how...
Crypto-type, you know, government and CIA stuff worked.
But I was, like, never trying to get a deal for myself.
I had my own thing.
So then I look back in retrospect where that was going on.
So when I saw you as my breaking point go, hey, Alex Jones is full of crap.
George Soros was a victim of the Nazis in the Holocaust.
joe rogan
That's not what I said.
I didn't say you were full of crap.
I said he wasn't a Nazi.
I go, the story that – I watched the interview.
And I don't know what he did.
I don't know the guy.
I don't know him.
I don't know.
I know very little about him.
But what I remember from the story was that he was saying that when the Nazis occupied, he was with his, I believe it was his uncle.
alex jones
Godfather.
joe rogan
His godfather?
And took him around as a Christian and pretended he was a Christian when they were stealing from these Jews.
And he just thought it was normal because he was 13 years old, but he was talking about it.
He was shielded by this person.
alex jones
No, I would be willing to take his explanation, is what I'm saying.
joe rogan
But?
alex jones
But here's the difference.
Even before that happened with you, I got approached by a major Hollywood actor that my name's never been associated with.
And they said, listen, George Soros told me to tell you that he'd have been killed if he didn't do that, and that he did what he had to do.
And I said, you tell George, if somebody put a gun to my head and said, we're going to kill you if you don't help round up Joe Rogan's kids and put them in a concentration camp, I'd say, oh yeah, I agree with you, and I'd grab the gun away and kill them.
joe rogan
He just said that it was just taking property.
alex jones
No, they were...
What do you think?
Was it the Nazis show them, take your property, and then you don't go away?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know.
alex jones
We know what happened in Romania and Hungary.
But Joe, here's the difference.
joe rogan
But I mean, what he was saying...
alex jones
They have headlines saying...
Okay, Joe Rogan...
joe rogan
So you're saying you think that it was more?
alex jones
No, no.
He did an NPR interview.
I'm not trying to go indict George Soros.
joe rogan
Okay, well here's where I fucked up, because I shouldn't have even said anything about it, because I don't know much about it.
The real, absolute honesty is...
alex jones
It's open to interpretation.
joe rogan
I've seen a couple of interviews.
alex jones
It's open to interpretation.
joe rogan
But it's not open to interpretation for me.
I'm telling you, I don't know anything.
So me talking about it was incorrect.
alex jones
Sure.
So when I'm 14, in retrospect, if somebody said, you're going to help round up your community, or we're going to kill you, I would have tried to kill people that were trying to kill my people.
I get it.
Not everybody's like me.
And I'm uptime of the toughest guy around.
I think I've proven I'll go up against people.
I get it.
You're 14. You're scared.
And you helped the Nazis.
He was so arrogant about it.
He said it on NPR. He said it on 60 Minutes.
And then I learned, you're being sued because you did this.
This is why he's financing it.
Well, I'm not going to stop saying it because of that.
I get it.
He was in a bad situation.
The problem was, if you play the clip, he says, It was the best time of my life.
It was happy-making.
It was invigorating to be there with all this evil going on, but I was with my father, and I had faith in him, and so we were able to do this.
And then I went and looked at the logs and the records of him.
He was going around looking for Anne Franks, man, and getting their money.
And yeah, he got the money.
I'm not even running up a white flag to George Soros.
George Soros overthrew all these different governments.
George Soros tried to crash the pound.
George Soros is the archetype of James Bond villains.
And the fact that his money – I remember being a kid when I was like eight years old.
My mom always had a color TV in the kitchen.
She cooked three meals a day.
joe rogan
Can I stop you?
What are you saying that he's like crashing economies?
alex jones
When I was a kid watching PBS, and maybe they were lying, maybe he's great, George Soros was an international currency speculator who overthrew governments.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
What are you saying he overthrew governments?
What did he do?
I literally know nothing.
alex jones
Well, I'm going to tell you.
This is actually declassified.
joe rogan
Do you know anything about George Soros, Jamie?
No.
alex jones
Type in George Soros crashing the pound.
Let me tell you more.
In George Soros' view, After World War II, he got hired, brought to the U.S. He worked for the CIA, OSS before that.
joe rogan
In his view, from his perspective?
alex jones
This is admitted.
He doesn't brag about this.
George Soros is the guy willing to take the money and divvy it out.
And he's a very bold guy.
He's really smart.
I mean, I'm not kissing his ass here to get him off my back.
He's not going to stop.
He wants to hang my head on the wall.
George Soros does have $150.
joe rogan
Why does he want to hang your head on the wall?
alex jones
Because I went after him.
But the point is, it doesn't matter.
George Soros ran the breakup of the Soviet Union.
I've had the former head of...
joe rogan
What do you got, Jamie?
Got anything?
alex jones
Type in, George Soros tried to crash the pound.
joe rogan
The pound.
alex jones
Anyways, guys, let me tell you.
I told you they got human pig.
You pulled up MIT. Yeah.
Okay, I told you they're keeping babies alive.
You saw the governor say it.
George Soros is highest level deep state.
He is the manager or was the manager.
joe rogan
Are you sure of all these things you're saying?
alex jones
I actually know.
joe rogan
But how do you know if you've ever...
alex jones
He has deep research.
He ran the...
Because I'm off the Alex Jones 10 years ago.
He ran the Marshall...
joe rogan
Let's see what we got here.
Did George Soros break the Bank of England?
Make it a little bigger, please.
In Britain, Black Wednesday, September 16, 1992, the day the speculators broke the pound.
They didn't actually break it, but they forced the British government to pull it from the European exchange rate mechanism, joining the ERM. Which was part of breaking the pound to launch the euro.
Scroll it up, please.
Although it stood apart from the European currencies, the British pound, blah, blah, blah, compounding the underlying problems inherent in the pound's inclusion in the ERM. I'm not seeing this.
Where's the part where George Soros does this?
alex jones
Well, that's just what you pulled up.
joe rogan
I'm just trying to find it.
That's all I'm saying.
Spotting the writing on the wall, Britain upped its interest rates to teens and attract people to the pound, but speculators, George Soros among them, began heavily shorting the currency.
The British government gave in and withdrew the ERM as it became clear that it was losing billions trying to buoy its currency artificially.
Although it was a bitter pill to swallow, the pound came back stronger because the excess interest in high inflation.
alex jones
But Joe, you notice you go to Investopedia, like it's the boss.
joe rogan
Hold on.
alex jones
There's films about this.
Soros is on the interview.
joe rogan
Soros pocketed $1 billion on the deal and cemented his reputation as the premier currency speculator in the world.
Now, if you're a currency speculator, isn't that what you do, though?
I don't know what a currency speculator does.
alex jones
Listen, I don't want to get into it.
Here's the deal.
George Soros works for the people that run our government.
And he's a guy willing to do it all.
And he's been very successful.
My point is, 2 plus 2 equals 4. In my equation, you don't fight the Nazis because you're 13, 14. You think you can't.
You join them.
And he says, he talked to me about investment.
If I wouldn't have done it, someone else would have done it.
That's a quote.
It was happy making.
Dude, if you help round up Jews and take their property, don't say it was happy-making.
Don't talk about it.
So my point is, him saying...
joe rogan
So you think the way he describes it even is a problem?
It's problematic.
It disturbs you, the way he's describing.
That it was happy-making, that it was not a big deal.
If I didn't do it, other people would have done it.
That's a problem.
alex jones
What I'm telling you is, and I'm going to get off into Soros, is that if you...
If I had five minutes over there on Jamie's computer, he did a good job.
Jamie does a great job.
I'm just saying it, pulling stuff up.
joe rogan
He's a goddamn Google wizard.
alex jones
Look at him.
joe rogan
He's been beating me at Quake, too.
It's very frustrating.
alex jones
Yeah, I would have gone over there.
I can pull up Soros.
I can pull up BBC reports.
Soros crashes the British pounder tries.
Here's an example, and I'm not indicting you for this.
Someone in my family about 10 years ago was digging through stuff for basically a garage sale.
It wasn't a garage sale.
We're going to give it away to charities.
And all these clothes I couldn't wear because I didn't weigh 180 pounds anymore.
And a family member got into a group of things.
And there was a Japanese bayonet.
There was a German officer's dagger that I bought for like $200 that's worth like $2,000 now.
I still have it.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
And all the rest of it.
And there was a British medal and a Nazi medal.
And this person in my family, because it's like a power thing, goes, oh my God, you're a Nazi.
So I walk in to the garage and open the box and I go, I bought this at a gun show.
Like a decade ago, yeah, I think a frickin' swastika metal.
joe rogan
But you know what the thing, though, is?
If you own, this is the thing, if you, like, see that helmet that you were pointing out.
alex jones
No, that's where I was going.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
Can we show the helmet?
That's what I'm going to say, Joe.
Well, you get to it.
So you've got a German helmet that a French artist dug up with all these mass graves.
joe rogan
No, what is...
alex jones
And it's got a German bayonet.
You're not a frickin' Nazi.
That's a piece of history.
joe rogan
I think that's a U.S. soldier.
alex jones
No, that's a German helmet.
joe rogan
That's a cursel.
Is it a German helmet?
alex jones
That's a cursel.
But it doesn't matter.
France has banned owning German war memorabilia.
If I go to the Smithsonian, the coolest thing I ever saw at the Smithsonian when I was a kid, so proud of us beating the Nazis, was they had a German helmet with a bullet hole in it.
The Smithsonian's not Nazi.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm not Nazi for having a Nazi medal and a bunch of other war paraphernalia I thought was cool.
You're not a Nazi for a Nazi bayonet.
joe rogan
Well, it's a helmet and a bayonet.
What is the gentleman's name that makes that shit?
jamie vernon
Shane Martin.
alex jones
Can we show it, please?
joe rogan
Yeah, we showed it.
He also made me a fucking super dope skull.
He's got a really cool...
alex jones
But what I'm saying is that's a cool artist.
The German helmet's interesting.
joe rogan
But that's what I was going to say.
You could have a Nazi helmet 20 years...
Look about Hogan's Heroes.
Hogan's Heroes was a goddamn sitcom about Nazis.
It was a sitcom about Nazis and...
Prisoners of War.
alex jones
And that's the political correctness that I literally had a family member, this was like 18 years ago, go, I'm really upset about what I found.
joe rogan
Shane against the machine, right?
alex jones
Yeah.
And they're in the garage, and it's like...
British medals, U.S. medals, a couple of...
Of course I wanted the Japanese thing.
I even had a marine carbine from Vietnam.
joe rogan
That's not as cool as World War II. Yeah, go to Shane Against the Machine on Instagram.
alex jones
Yeah, there it is.
That's his page.
He's not a Nazi.
That's frickin' cool, man.
unidentified
I want one of those.
joe rogan
He does a bunch of those.
He sells those, folks, if you want one.
alex jones
I'm not trying to do a product plug.
I should be plugging it up.
joe rogan
He's a good dude.
He made me another sculpture, too, that I bought from him.
alex jones
But you know what I'm saying, Joe, is I'm not saying you're an...
But I had family think because I had one Nazi party member medal.
It'll be on the news today.
Jones admits he has Nazi stuff.
No, it's freaking interesting, man.
joe rogan
It is.
alex jones
This is from a battlefield dug up of dead people.
It couldn't be any more interesting.
And you take darkness and light comes out of it and you make evil become good.
I bet if you talk to the artist, God, I'm doing a huge plug for him.
joe rogan
This guy does dope shit.
Look at this guy's stuff.
Look at that eagle.
Go back to that bird with the fucking cylinders.
Is that what it is?
What's the top of his shoulders?
The top of his shoulders.
Isn't that a car cylinder?
That's a car cylinder.
Yeah.
That's a polished down car cylinder and then bayonets for the wings.
alex jones
I didn't mean to be in product placement because they're trying to shut me down.
InfoWarsTore.com.
Incredible products.
InfoWarsTore.com.
joe rogan
He's just a fucking artist, man.
He's a great artist.
alex jones
No, but I brought this up because I walked in there and I said, God, that is amazing.
And you told me the story.
I know these battlefields in France and stuff.
And people get this stuff.
That is a rotting German helmet that you put light in and it makes it beautiful.
And it takes the evil of Hitler and makes it beautiful.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
Not Hitler.
It takes humanity and makes it beautiful.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But it is interesting that you can't own, like you could never own a Nazi flag or any, like you could own something from Genghis Khan.
alex jones
Here's the thing.
Both my grandfathers, and I'm not bragging about family, but you remember Tom Landry.
My grandfather was UT football, won state championships in track, my mom's dad, and he went in the Army Air Corps with Tom Landry.
I remember being over there on Sundays, even before he played for the Dallas Cowboys, he'd be like, Tom Landry would call and they'd pray for five minutes.
Both my grandfathers, both Jerry Jones and my mother's father, Mr. Hammond, almost died in a crash landing and another deal.
I almost died I don't almost exist because my family, America, fought Hitler.
And then now I'm a Nazi because I believe in the Second Amendment and I believe in America.
That's not fair.
joe rogan
Well, that's not what they're saying.
They're saying it because you had a Nazi piece of memorabilia, but it still doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't make any sense.
Look, if I saw some...
Cool Nazi thing at some place where I could buy it.
I might buy it and frame it because it's just a piece of history.
Just like I would buy a Genghis Khan dagger or a helmet.
Oh my god, Eddie Bravo's here.
Jesus Christ.
eddie bravo
You guys haven't choked each other out yet?
alex jones
No, we're having a great time.
joe rogan
We're having a great time talking about interdimensional beings.
eddie bravo
What kind of fucking shit is this?
joe rogan
NASA, bro.
eddie bravo
Fuck, I'll choke you out with this shirt.
alex jones
NASA. Eddie, you know...
eddie bravo
I'm going to make you regret wearing this fucking shirt.
alex jones
Listen, in high school, we used to choke each other out.
That's like a DMT. Go ahead and choke me out.
On air.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
Please don't.
eddie bravo
That would be hilarious.
joe rogan
Please don't.
alex jones
I'm not scared.
Let's do it.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Eddie, don't.
Please don't choke him unconscious.
alex jones
Do it now.
joe rogan
Please don't.
alex jones
Let's go.
joe rogan
He can't do it.
alex jones
You know, you think I'm afraid of this?
joe rogan
Let's do it.
No, I definitely don't think you're afraid of this, which is why I don't want him to do it.
alex jones
You know what?
Let's not be pussies!
Choke me up!
eddie bravo
You know what?
Hey!
Let me tell you a story first.
Let me tell you a story first.
Back when I used to work at the strip club.
unidentified
Hey!
alex jones
You're the one.
unidentified
Hold on.
alex jones
I'm not afraid.
joe rogan
Alex, sit down.
Please.
Come on.
Please.
Alex, we have to work together here.
We have to work together.
Come sit down.
alex jones
I'm not gay, but Eddie's good looking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Have a seat.
alex jones
You better choke me out.
joe rogan
Alex, please.
Please have a seat.
alex jones
No, no, we used to do it in high school.
joe rogan
I know you did.
You told me.
You grab each other and you fall down and hit your heads.
alex jones
It only takes like 20 seconds.
joe rogan
What were you going to say about Strip Club?
eddie bravo
Back when I was blue belt, 1995, I worked at Strip Club and there was this girl I was dating.
alex jones
You never had any of those items.
eddie bravo
She was a bartender.
She was seriously 4'10".
alex jones
Why are the bartenders and waitresses always the best looking at Strip Clubs?
joe rogan
I don't know, but you got to let them.
unidentified
I will!
eddie bravo
She was 92 pounds, bartender, the smallest girl.
alex jones
A spinner.
eddie bravo
And I showed her how to do a rear naked hair.
She was tiny.
Her name was Kimmy.
And the strip club manager was your size.
Big, like, used to be buff, but...
alex jones
Fat ass.
eddie bravo
Yeah, but used to be buff.
You could tell you used to be buff.
joe rogan
Football player type.
eddie bravo
Big manager.
You know, you want those guys that manage strip clubs, you know, intimidating looking big dudes.
And he had a Corvette.
And he didn't believe in jiu-jitsu at all.
And he said, if she can choke me out with one of them jiu-jitsu moves, I'll give her the keys to my Corvette.
So she had to literally get on a bar stool.
And she was standing on a bar stool and had to go around him.
And she went like this.
And he was just like this.
And then he went...
Lights out.
He dropped like a sack of potatoes.
He hit his head on the fucking floor.
And the impact, the impact of his head hitting the floor woke his ass up instantly.
unidentified
So he hits the ground and then he pops back up.
eddie bravo
And he didn't know what the fuck happened.
alex jones
He was just sitting there going, what happened?
eddie bravo
He didn't know what happened.
alex jones
I thought he faked it.
But Eddie, that's what I'm getting at.
eddie bravo
I'm like, people usually don't hit the ground and pop back up.
Usually they hit the ground and they're done and they need an ambulance.
unidentified
Right.
eddie bravo
But he popped right back up.
alex jones
And he's like, what happened?
eddie bravo
Like, bitch, you need to give her your Corvette.
alex jones
I'll pop right back up.
eddie bravo
It was a gold Corvette.
alex jones
No, this was a thing.
I didn't know about this.
About in seventh grade during lunch, some of the kids would choke each other out.
You put your hands up on their neck.
Kids, don't do this.
I'm not teaching like Tide Pops.
joe rogan
Don't do this, kids.
alex jones
You can die doing this.
But then it'd be like the cheerleaders wanted to be choked up.
And they would show us out.
I probably did it about 300 times.
unidentified
Where did you go to school?
joe rogan
Cheerleaders are asking to be choked up.
eddie bravo
Where did Bill Hicks go to school?
joe rogan
He's not Bill Hicks, Brian.
We already went over this.
unidentified
Did you guys talk about that?
Yes.
eddie bravo
You know what's crazy is you can put together a case where you fucking...
No, you can't.
unidentified
No, you can't.
alex jones
I wave all things.
joe rogan
I saw Bill Hicks live.
I've known Alex since just a few years after Bill Hicks died.
eddie bravo
All you gotta see is those old...
joe rogan
They look way different.
eddie bravo
There's a bunch of old pictures.
alex jones
Well, that gets a pretty separation because you and I work with somebody that worked with him.
We work with thousands of people.
Suddenly, It's like, oh, we knew the same person.
It's overworldly.
eddie bravo
All you got to do is just show those pictures of you at 20. I don't like this, though.
I'm like, Bill Hicks was never 20 and yoked.
You were yoked.
You were like a bodybuilder.
alex jones
The thing is, I wish I'd get in that zone again.
joe rogan
You can.
alex jones
I got in this zone where I ran six miles every other day.
And I lifted weights and people go, dude, you'd be bigger if you didn't work out three hours.
I was addicted.
And then I got on radio and TV and started drinking and just stopped.
It didn't work out for like 10 years, gained like 100 pounds.
joe rogan
Alex, let's get you on something where we actually put it online and talk about what you're doing.
If you commit to something online like that, you'll do it.
All you have to do is set a realistic goal.
alex jones
I usually do 40 pull-ups and I can do like two.
eddie bravo
40!
joe rogan
In a row?
eddie bravo
Like CrossFit-type pull-ups where you use your whole body and everything?
joe rogan
That's amazing.
eddie bravo
You're like doing the worm and shit?
joe rogan
40's amazing.
alex jones
But the problem was, I used to go to all-you-could-eat buffets.
joe rogan
That's amazing, too.
alex jones
Chinese and...
eddie bravo
I don't believe that.
alex jones
And the problem was, I would literally, like, order...
I'd go, no, I don't want the two of these.
joe rogan
What do you think about this?
What do you think about a self-improvement thing that you do online?
Well, you do it online.
alex jones
I need to do it.
The problem is every time I try to work out, the phone's ringing.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
Listen, you just get up earlier.
Get up an hour and a half earlier.
alex jones
I'm going to have surgery for my torn bicep.
joe rogan
Well, once you have surgery for your bicep and everything gets fixed, I think once you get your bicep torn, you're probably going to be a little bit out of action.
eddie bravo
That's at least six months.
joe rogan
No, you know what?
Nowitzki had it done.
It's fucking amazing now.
eddie bravo
I had my bicep done.
joe rogan
To the shoulder or to the bicep?
alex jones
You know, I don't like this.
joe rogan
To the elbow.
eddie bravo
Bicep to the shoulder.
alex jones
Listen, I wave all ability.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
You have to do it.
alex jones
I want to be choked out.
We're talking frickin' 100 million views, number one podcast.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
eddie bravo
No, it would be ugly.
joe rogan
There's no need to choke you out.
eddie bravo
You would try to sue me and shit.
joe rogan
This is one of the first things.
alex jones
I just said, I swear.
Have you not been choked out?
joe rogan
Once we made up on the phone, one of the first things you wanted me to do is choke him out in the air.
alex jones
No.
eddie bravo
You might need to go to those SMM clubs.
alex jones
I'm not into pain.
When you get choked out, you go somewhere, you're having a little dream, and then you come right back.
eddie bravo
It's like DMT. You hate that shit.
alex jones
All right, let's get serious.
joe rogan
Let's get serious.
alex jones
Let me just say a few things before he goes down this road.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
These are the notes.
joe rogan
What are the road?
eddie bravo
I'm not going down no road.
joe rogan
What were we just talking about?
alex jones
We know what the road is.
eddie bravo
You're talking about George Soros.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
We passed that.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
What were we just talking about?
You were talking about the strip club, the girl choking the guy out, the guy falling and hitting his head.
And then what happened after that?
Any ideas?
Jamie?
No one.
Everyone stupefied.
jamie vernon
One of that?
alex jones
I remember one time I got choked out.
Eating babies!
I remember one time.
It was cool.
joe rogan
I don't think I've ever been choked completely out.
Maybe for a second.
alex jones
The first time I got choked out was like this 17-year-old super hot chick.
And I was like 13. Tied up?
And she lived down the street.
No, no.
And she goes, I got promiscuous when I was pretty young, like 12. And she goes, I'll have sex with you.
It's a true story.
I'll have sex with you if you let me put makeup on you.
So I'm not going to against everything.
So the girl puts the makeup on me and I have sex with her.
And she's super hot.
And then like a week later, she goes, now I'm going to choke you out.
And that relationship went really well until her 30-year-old boyfriend caught me at her place once because her mom was always working and tried to kill me in the parking lot.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
I'll have sex with you if I can put makeup on you.
alex jones
High letter!
It's a full deal.
joe rogan
Listen, you're a wise man.
That bitch can dress me up like a clown.
Why not?
alex jones
Who gives a shit?
Here's some of the things I have.
And then we can go forever.
Here it goes.
Not conspiracies, but real-world programs developing a breakaway civilization.
What is a breakaway civilization?
You understand that?
It's the key to everything.
Standardized total surveillance control grid.
The power to spy is the power to control.
Human-animal hybrids.
We already covered that.
Mass farming of humanoid tissue.
Transhuman in-game.
joe rogan
We covered that.
alex jones
Multilayered binary weapon delivery systems.
That's one we have in that.
joe rogan
Oh, what's that?
alex jones
Well, we'll get into some of that.
The thing is 5G behavioral modifications.
We hit that.
Trojan horse delivery systems.
Cell phones, vaccines.
GMOs have been tested and designed to hurt you.
Again, vaccines are real.
You can give somebody something that gives them the cure to another disease that they can get, but...
They're jacking it like a cell phone.
They're adding stuff.
Your ticket to immortality is a bit...
joe rogan
Let's cover that.
What do you think is happening with vaccines?
alex jones
I know.
joe rogan
Okay, tell me what's going on.
alex jones
I always use this because everyone's heard of it.
Everyone heard about 1947 to 1983, and it only came public because the program was exposed in Peru and was exposed in West Virginia, but the media picked up because it was white on black.
Not all the white people it happened to.
I don't care if you're black or white.
Injecting over a million people with live syphilis in the name of vaccines.
You know about Tuskegee?
joe rogan
I do know about that.
alex jones
But you only know about Alabama and over 40-something years only injecting blacks.
But it happened all over the world.
Search engine.
Hillary Clinton apologizes for syphilis experiments in...
unidentified
Tuskegee?
alex jones
It wasn't Tuskegee.
It was in Peru.
joe rogan
Can I ask you this?
Tuskegee was the...
The conventional story that they had syphilis, but they weren't really curing them?
alex jones
That's a cover.
No.
joe rogan
But is that what they say?
alex jones
No, no.
If you actually read it, they were giving them syphilis.
joe rogan
Okay.
I understand what you're saying.
But was the conventional explanation of what happened, was that that they knew that they had it and they allowed them to pretend they had it?
alex jones
No, that was the first cover story that came out.
Have you heard about...
joe rogan
Here it is right here.
U.S. apologizes for Guatemala STD experiments.
Can you make that bigger?
It's a different one?
alex jones
Just type Peru.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Can you make that a little...
Go scroll up so I can read it.
U.S. government medical researchers intentionally infected hundreds of people in Guatemala, including institutionalized mental patients with gonorrhea and syphilis without their knowledge or permission more than 60 years ago.
Jesus Christ.
alex jones
So, Joe, again.
When you've read, because what I do is...
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Look at this.
Many of those infected were encouraged to pass the infection onto others as part of the study.
Where is this in?
What is the website here?
This is NBC News?
unidentified
Can you imagine finding out you have syphilis, but you've never had sex before?
alex jones
Let me stop.
Let me stop.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine how confusing you are?
alex jones
Are you ready for another ultra-secret?
joe rogan
This is 46 to what?
46 to...
jamie vernon
Sorry.
joe rogan
It says it at the bottom.
46 to 1948. God damn.
alex jones
That's just a whitewash.
That's not true.
It's not two years.
Okay, so let me expand.
Then imagine, Joe.
Here's what's happened.
We had a real liberal media in this country.
They weren't leftists.
That's a cultic.
That's different.
We had a real liberal media in this country that had problems.
But they really cared.
joe rogan
They were open-minded.
Focused on information.
alex jones
A few years after I proved Delta Force was in Seattle in 99 and proved it, they all said, Alex Jones is right.
It's incredible.
joe rogan
That's the WTO tape that I always cite.
That you show the agent provocateurs went into a peaceful protest and started smashing windows.
alex jones
And I'm not against the Army, but Delta Force ran it.
Because they always go, oh, now the Army's terrorist.
Like you said, don't call up the whole government, a select group.
The Army did that.
They staged it.
So imagine, used to the press...
Would get a lot of stuff right, but they would get demoted or whatever would happen.
Once Trump got in, which I don't think Trump's bad and the gut level thing is good, but I almost think like it's more sophisticated.
They put him in on it and piss everybody off to get the liberals who traditionally have been the real watchdogs for free speech and against human experimentation.
And suddenly they're like in Gallup polls.
We love war.
We love experimentation.
We love everything.
I'm getting chills right now.
And so imagine, Joe.
I've been on air for 23 years, and I'm a news hound.
I spend four or five hours a day reading news.
So I don't just believe NBC News that our government gave people.
Notice, I said Peru, because that was a big documented case.
You just found Guatemala.
I can't keep track of this.
It's the same program.
And it went on to the 80s.
It's still going on.
So imagine, imagine, I have literally, by the time Sandy Hook happens, I've literally seen...
10,000 articles and documents or more where they're admitting, in 1962, the Joint Chiefs of Staff under L.L. Lemonser came to President Kennedy, this is on PBS, and said, we're going to blow up buildings, shoot up schools and movie theaters, and bomb army bases and marine bases.
We're going to have people with their kids, with name change, with the CIA, get on a jumbo jet that takes off.
It gets blown up over the Caribbean.
We blame Cuba.
But that plane really lands, and there's another plane that's a drone we blow up, and then Kennedy says no, but his brother says no, I'll do it.
That's why they killed Kennedy, because Bobby said he would, but then he got pissed when they killed his brother.
This is all declassified.
He wanted to bomb the Honduran embassy and blow up stuff and go to war with Moscow.
Bobby was bad.
You can pull this up.
Bobby Kennedy wanted to bomb the U.S. Embassy in Honduras.
This is declassified.
And so imagine, you see hundreds of these, and then a Sandy Hook happens, and your listeners don't buy it, and then it's a psychosis where then...
Well, because every man I knew, and this is hypothetical, my dad was great.
Every man I knew when I was a kid backhanded me and beat the crap out of me, so men are bad.
Or a woman that's been raped, you know, she thinks all men are bad.
So I get like this psychosis, and I'm not trying to put myself down, like I'm a victim.
I'm being honest retrospectively that it got to where when I learned that so much stuff was false, then later I experienced.
Where I had the guest, I did the thing, I knew it was true, and then people made up a whole story because they don't believe anything anymore.
So that's all I'm trying to say.
joe rogan
Do you think part of it is that even though this stuff does exist, it's almost like there's too many things happening for one person to pay attention to all of them.
And if you're only focusing on...
alex jones
Informational overload.
Exactly.
joe rogan
But hold on.
If you're only focusing on that aspect of life, it can be incredibly overwhelming because you start thinking that's the whole world.
That the whole world is these conspiracies.
Because these are the things you're concentrating on primarily.
eddie bravo
But this is what I'm saying.
He just talked about Operation Northwoods.
That whole thing?
That was Operation Northwoods.
That is some...
That's about as hot...
alex jones
That's ABC News!
eddie bravo
That's true.
It's as clear as day.
But if you break it down and you look at it, you look at Operation Northwoods, you look at that shit.
That is about as gangster and sinister and evil as you can fucking get.
joe rogan
Yeah, we went over it just a little while ago.
We were going into it.
unidentified
Totally.
eddie bravo
So my point is, if you believe that, no other conspiracy theory, whether they're right or wrong, like government conspiracy, should be ridiculed.
There should be no ridicule.
joe rogan
You're right.
You should, instead of looking at them with ridicule, you should look at them objectively.
eddie bravo
Exactly.
And the only people that have a right, To ridicule conspiracy theories are people that don't believe in any conspiracy theories.
If you don't believe in any of them, yes, I understand why you're ridiculing it.
I deal with those people all the time.
But if you believe in some of them, the other ones you don't believe in, I think you should be more...
I don't believe in that shit, but I understand why people do.
alex jones
Well, that's going to be my defense.
We can probably get this thrown out of court.
I'm almost looking forward to trial in Texas and Connecticut.
And the lawyers already agreed.
I'm going to sit there, and I'm going to show them history and all these things and say...
I mean, I watched the...
It's already been out for like a year or two, but I watched the Minions 3 or 4, and it's like in the 60s.
And they break onto the set of Hollywood, and the moon landing's being staged.
Now, astronauts died doing that.
So how traumatic is that for their family?
eddie bravo
What astronauts died?
Astronauts died?
alex jones
We're going to get to it in a minute.
eddie bravo
Wait, wait.
Astronauts died?
Which ones?
Oh, a space shuttle.
alex jones
Well, we're going to talk about a space shuttle.
joe rogan
No, no.
The guys from Apollo 1. The launch pad.
eddie bravo
Apollo 7. Was it 1?
alex jones
9 or 7. Which one were they part of?
eddie bravo
The one where they were practicing.
joe rogan
Yes.
eddie bravo
They were practicing.
Okay.
alex jones
Listen, we're going to get to this next.
And I respect you.
joe rogan
Hey, I want you guys to yell at each other for three minutes while I go pee.
alex jones
I gotta pee, too.
joe rogan
Okay.
Don't talk to yourself.
Just hold.
We'll do it in shifts.
alex jones
We'll do it in shifts.
joe rogan
I'll go first.
eddie bravo
Okay.
alex jones
Anyways, Eddie, I'm not saying you're bad questioning.
I get it.
eddie bravo
No, you do get it.
You know why?
Because, you know...
alex jones
I wore this as a joke for you.
eddie bravo
No, of course.
Of course.
Of course, Alex.
You are someone that I could talk to about the flat earth conspiracy, and you believe in so many crazy things about the government.
You don't believe in flat earth, but you can kind of understand where I'm coming from.
unidentified
Right?
alex jones
Yeah, my issue is GPS is real.
I know airline pilots that fly from California to...
You know, places like Australia, and they've got another wing over to Hong Kong, and then they go to Moscow.
eddie bravo
You can fly anywhere in the world if it was flat.
If it's flat, you could go from east to west just like you could on a ball.
You just don't understand what, like a...
Like a pizza is.
You can just go anywhere.
If you're on a flat earth, you can travel anywhere.
Give me two cities.
You point at two cities and you just go there.
alex jones
Because we've been lied to so much, I get what you question.
eddie bravo
It has nothing to do with a ball.
alex jones
I'm not that rich.
eddie bravo
No, no, listen.
alex jones
But I do have the money.
eddie bravo
I'm not trying to convince you.
I'm not trying to convince you, Alex.
My point is...
brendan schaub
You've got to find it on your fucking own.
eddie bravo
There's no way you're going to be convinced.
No one has ever been convinced.
alex jones
Listen, we're going to debate this in a minute.
eddie bravo
They have to really find it within themselves and do some deep, deep soul searching.
alex jones
What if I finance a research ship, large ship, and make a documentary?
I can't go away for three months.
I will pay for you three months.
I'm not BSing.
To me, having money is not a big deal, except we can do cool things with it.
eddie bravo
How much money can you raise?
To go to the South Pole, we're going to need...
joe rogan
Are you guys going to the moon or in orbit?
alex jones
I can tell you right now, you're going to cruise ship to the South Pole.
eddie bravo
This is what I'm going to do.
alex jones
You can go to Antarctica.
eddie bravo
This is what I'm going to do.
Okay, you raised the money for a trip to South Pole.
alex jones
No, there's no raise the money.
eddie bravo
I got the money!
I got the money!
Listen, this is the deal.
This is the deal.
joe rogan
Let's go pee.
Go pee, man.
eddie bravo
Are you going to go pee?
alex jones
Don't hurt him.
unidentified
Don't hurt him.
eddie bravo
Shut up.
unidentified
You're going to the ice wall.
alex jones
He's the ambassador for Flat Earth.
He's the ambassador.
Forget astronauts.
unidentified
The guy that discovers the Flat Earth, the big ice fields.
eddie bravo
This is what we're going to do, Alex.
Can you give me 20 seconds?
alex jones
With an entire crew that you're in command of.
You are going to the edge of the Flat Earth.
eddie bravo
Totally.
But it's not going to be me.
I'm going to designate somebody.
I'm too scared.
So we're going to do this.
We're going to do this.
We'll send Joe Rogan.
No, no.
We're going to do this, but I'm going to send someone else.
Joe, it's beyond astronauts.
alex jones
You're going to find the edge of the world, big ice caps, caps that are knocking things off.
joe rogan
I'm going to film the drop-off with my iPhone.
eddie bravo
Yes.
Yes.
joe rogan
Go pee, man.
eddie bravo
Go pee.
joe rogan
Don't you have to go?
eddie bravo
We're going to send someone else, Alex, but we're going to do this.
You know what?
We're going to do this.
unidentified
I don't have to be the one that goes.
alex jones
I don't have to be the one that goes.
unidentified
I don Let me tell you something right now.
alex jones
Let me tell you something right now.
I came here and I proved they're keeping babies alive and taking their organs.
eddie bravo
How did you prove that?
Jamie pulled some shit up on Google?
alex jones
No, no, no.
They admit it now.
unidentified
That's you too.
alex jones
They're normalizing it.
No, the fucking...
The governor!
joe rogan
Listen to me!
eddie bravo
You really think...
Do you really think there's people out there campaigning for late-term abortions?
You think that shit's real?
unidentified
The sheriff voted Monday to keep it legally!
eddie bravo
Who would campaign?
They fucking did it, Bravo!
That is the craziest shit ever!
unidentified
You can't fucking admit they're fucking killing already born kids!
So you're telling me it isn't real when they had a fucking vote in the goddamn fucking Senate?
eddie bravo
That's a conspiracy theory!
alex jones
I am ready to beat your fucking ass!
That's a conspiracy theory!
You think you're fucking tough, you're about to get it!
Bullshit!
They're killing already born babies!
eddie bravo
Stop fucking lying!
alex jones
I'm fucking dead.
I'm getting pissed now.
joe rogan
Don't get pissed.
No!
alex jones
I mean, you saw the...
Dude, it's going...
eddie bravo
I'm just fucking with you.
unidentified
Alex!
eddie bravo
I was fucking with you.
unidentified
The fucking Senate voted to kill babies after their fucking bars!
joe rogan
I was just playing with you.
eddie bravo
Of course I believe that, Alex!
joe rogan
Eddie, let me explain.
unidentified
Of course, I believe it's all over the news!
eddie bravo
I was just playing with you!
joe rogan
Eddie, let me explain to you.
Let me explain to you.
We went into a long conversation about that.
unidentified
I heard it!
joe rogan
I heard it!
Okay, you heard it.
eddie bravo
I heard the whole podcast.
alex jones
I'm playing with you.
Imagine my psychosis is this.
eddie bravo
Think about what I said.
alex jones
Reality is so crazy that I always thought I was so tough.
joe rogan
I can't believe he doesn't have to pee anymore.
alex jones
I gotta piss a little bit.
Alex, listen.
The point is that dude, I'm not...
The reality is so crazy.
Why are we debating whether the earth is flat?
Dude, they have human-animal hybrids.
I have been there when people that work for the Pentagon say that we go to the laboratory and we meet with the ambassador.
We have to take higher and higher doses to meet with them.
They're giving us technology and the technology works.
This is going on, dude.
Do you want to know this?
eddie bravo
Listen, relax.
alex jones
You think about space isn't real.
The freaking dimensions, man.
The aliens are coming through the dimensions.
eddie bravo
Alex, think about what I said.
I said...
Dude, do you think there's actually people out there that believe, that are campaigning?
alex jones
I got a $20,000 digital telescope where I can look and freaking sit at her.
eddie bravo
Listen to what I said.
unidentified
Alex, he's fucking with you.
eddie bravo
Did you hear what I said?
joe rogan
He was fucking with you.
eddie bravo
I said, do you think there's actually people out there that are campaigning for late-term abortions?
Of course there are, but I'm making it seem like I don't believe they are.
alex jones
No, I get it now.
eddie bravo
I'm being the ultimate skeptic.
I'm being the ultimate skeptic.
joe rogan
Listen, Eddie does that all the time.
He's just fucking around.
eddie bravo
I want her to be your enemy right there.
alex jones
I'm threatened.
I'm not Mr. Goody-Two-Shoes by them keeping babies alive and killing them and that nobody cares.
I fundamentally...
That's what I'm saying.
I'm being honest here.
I'm not certifiably crazy, but I deal with this all day long.
I get why Joe tries to shout away and people go crazy dealing with it.
joe rogan
No, I never saw that clip of that guy saying that they would resuscitate the babies and then they would make a decision.
eddie bravo
You haven't heard about that New York bill that they're trying to pass?
They passed it, Eddie!
They fucking passed it!
It's like...
It's like worse than Gotham City.
It's worse than Gotham City.
alex jones
They're giving a bunch of goddamn fucking organ harvesting doctors control outside of law.
You heard that piece of shit, fucking KKK guy, fucking governor, say we're going to keep them alive after they're fucking born because they want to fucking take their organs.
eddie bravo
It's incredible.
joe rogan
He's a KKK guy?
eddie bravo
It's incredible!
alex jones
Oh, fuck!
unidentified
It's so incredible that I... He's in a picture with a guy in a KKK outfit in blackface.
alex jones
They elected him because he's blackmailed.
They had that shit.
And when he messed up and said we keep them alive to get their fucking organs, they used that to deactivate him.
unidentified
Jeez.
alex jones
Why do you think fraternities have you screw sheep and all this and, you know, give guys blowjobs?
That's why I never joined them.
Because they want to compromise you.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
eddie bravo
Go back.
Go back what?
Say that again?
Ah!
Fraternities.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
I'm so happy we decided to do this podcast.
I'm so happy.
alex jones
See how it turned out?
unidentified
It's fucking amazing!
alex jones
Did they piss on you, Rob?
joe rogan
It's fucking amazing.
alex jones
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
It was good.
New World Order, baby.
alex jones
You gotta piss.
joe rogan
Go ahead, piss.
eddie bravo
New fucking World Order.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
alex jones
Eddie?
eddie bravo
I got you.
Dude, you got so pissed off.
brendan schaub
I'm so glad I fucked with you.
eddie bravo
Dude, do you realize how many JRE clips they're going to make of that shit?
Dude, they're going to put you to music.
They're going to put you to my yachties.
alex jones
You pulled up MIT saying they got animal human pigs.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, we did.
alex jones
Let's just not forget.
joe rogan
We did.
Listen, go take a leak.
I'm with you.
Listen, man, he just kind of freaked me out about several subjects.
No bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He freaked me out about several subjects.
eddie bravo
There's people out there campaigning.
jamie vernon
For the record, that article says that there was no written...
Data on that.
That came from three interviews they had.
joe rogan
This is a human pig one?
jamie vernon
Yeah, people were saying that to them.
joe rogan
Of course they tried it.
Why wouldn't they try it?
If you were a leader of the free world, wasn't there some...
Goddammit, was it the Nazis that were trying to theorize how to combine humans with animals to make a stronger human?
Wasn't there some of that?
eddie bravo
They were for sure into that!
joe rogan
Wasn't there something like that?
eddie bravo
If there's a YouTube link, that's a...
For sure, right?
joe rogan
For sure, they've...
They definitely...
I mean, I think all governments definitely give their soldiers steroids.
They definitely give them amphetamines.
They definitely give them chemicals to make them crazy.
eddie bravo
Shit, I would.
Are you kidding?
joe rogan
That's what they started doing.
eddie bravo
You're running your fucking army.
joe rogan
The Nazis.
Not the Nazis, rather.
The kamikazes.
The kamikazes, they would mess them up.
I mean, I'm pretty sure that's true.
Read that.
eddie bravo
100%.
I read that on YouTube.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was one of the ways they would get them, not just, like, nationalism and pride for their country.
They would jack them up on crystal meth, and that's why they'd fly that plane right into that fucking boat.
They knew, ah, boom!
I mean, that is a nutty thing to do, man.
You gotta be in a weird state of mind.
brendan schaub
And you gotta have such a horrible life that you're like, fuck it, let me just crash into this fucking boat, right?
eddie bravo
And they're, like, happy about it.
unidentified
They're like, I can't wait to escape this shit.
joe rogan
What an insane choice.
eddie bravo
That's the only piece he has is when he's in that plane killing people.
joe rogan
What a fucking crazy choice that you're going to do that for your...
Alex, welcome back.
We're talking about kamikazes.
We were saying that we think kamikazes were...
That was...
They gave them crystal meth, right?
Wasn't that a part of the program?
alex jones
Yeah.
No, I mean, warfare is always drugs.
And the Nazis and the Japanese...
Well, the Japanese learned about in World War I when they were actually on our side against Russia.
Well, it went back and forth.
In World War I, the Japanese learned about MSG. Because Japanese like good food.
And they're like, the military wouldn't complain.
They'd just lose weight and starve to death.
So they learned when they were fighting the Russians in World War I to just go ahead and give them MSG. Which MSG, it holds your brain and everything.
It's super toxic.
And so, yeah.
joe rogan
Monosodium glutamate?
Like the stuff from Chinese food?
Is that what you're saying?
alex jones
Oh, it's super freaking toxic.
Yeah.
Is it really?
But beyond that, yes, they would give them...
Well, the Germans were big on steroids and methamphetamine.
joe rogan
We were just saying that.
alex jones
Yeah.
Well, that's on record.
This is like in mainline history stuff.
By the way, I said I'd give you the secrets of Hitler.
joe rogan
Oh.
Their secrets?
alex jones
Yep.
unidentified
What are they?
alex jones
But this is not the BS. This is the real thing.
unidentified
Okay.
eddie bravo
How do you know, though?
Who's telling you this stuff?
alex jones
It's beyond classified, Eddie.
joe rogan
Beyond classified, Eddie.
alex jones
No, I mean...
eddie bravo
Alex, seriously, do you ever think...
alex jones
Okay, my grandfather...
eddie bravo
Because you have a lot of sources.
alex jones
My grandfather was German in Dallas, and he worked for the inventor of indoor air conditioning.
He was a billionaire in...
What's the rich area of Dallas where the Republicans all live?
God, what's the name of that place?
jamie vernon
Arlington.
alex jones
No, it's not Arlington.
It's the thing right there in the middle of Dallas.
That's Austin.
You think Dallas is like all buildings.
There's a huge park and all these big mansions.
Anyways, he lived up there.
It wasn't just from him.
I'm not going to get into it.
The point is, is that Hitler was on the cover of Time Magazine, and he was.
eddie bravo
That's true.
Unless that's a Photoshop that I saw on the internet.
alex jones
No, no, you want it twice.
joe rogan
Well, Trump was on the cover of Time Magazine, too.
eddie bravo
Exactly.
unidentified
Not really.
alex jones
See, the problem is, I'll give you guys the data.
eddie bravo
Was that fake?
joe rogan
He made his own magazine cover.
alex jones
Or should I just give it just stalled, like a boil down.
Here's the thing.
It wasn't just my grandfather, or was these other people.
My grandfather said it was really confusing for him.
Because he worked for this guy that was in refrigeration and air conditioning when he was in high school and his dad owned the car dealerships in Dallas and stuff and they lived there in the rich area of Dallas.
eddie bravo
And what did they tell you?
alex jones
Well...
Through one reason he wanted, by the time World War II started, to drop out of UT and, you know, all that and go join the Army Air Corps.
So you should tell me all this stuff.
My mom would go, your grandfather is a little eccentric now.
Like, my grandfather knew Wernher von Braun.
He came to Austin at events.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
So, anyways.
eddie bravo
Your grandpa knew Wernher von Braun?
alex jones
Well, he went to some of his events.
Yeah, he came to, yeah.
With the UT events, a little private message.
eddie bravo
Okay, that's incredible.
alex jones
But the point is, I'm getting to...
Well, because there were like German...
eddie bravo
No wonder you believe in the moon landing.
I get it now.
Didn't make sense before.
alex jones
Well, let's just say...
joe rogan
Well, let's let him finish his story.
alex jones
My family was what they called high German.
And so the high...
Yeah, that's what that is.
Uber mention.
So they only would talk to people that were in the club.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
Okay.
alex jones
Yeah, so...
joe rogan
So?
alex jones
So, anyways, my grandfather, the family was like an Uber mention.
And so, you know, high IQ, the whole nine yards.
So he was working with this German guy, and he would just go over there after school and work with him as an apprentice.
And my grandfather watched him get more and more depressed and more and more crazy by the end of the 30s.
And the guy confided in him.
He said, Clyde was my grandfather's name.
He said, yeah, the Nazis have my family in Germany.
They're going to kill them all.
I'm having to give them everything I got, all my money, and I'm having to sell the patents and work.
The guy was working like 20 hours a day, giving everything he had because they were going to kill his family in Nazi Germany.
He was German.
And so my grandfather went and enlisted in the Army Air Corps to fight Hitler because he had that experience.
And he was so mad when I was a kid.
He was like, when I was a kid in Dallas, WBAP had Hitler speeches on.
Because Germans are a big part of the U.S. And there was the boom.
Everybody was supposed to join it.
And Hitler was good.
And we never really bought into it.
And then I found out that this mentor of mine, this guy would be like Bill Gates today, had everything he had sucked out of him by the Nazis.
So that's what the Nazis would do, was extort and control.
So I kind of heard about that.
And my grandfather would go, So they'd sit me down there like a week during the summer, and I was like eight years old, I'm hearing this.
And he's like, Von Braun has the plan for this orbital spacecraft to land it, and we're going to have artificial gravity systems.
And I'm hearing all this stuff, he's got like markers at the table, like talking about it.
And I'm sitting there listening to this, and he would talk about, yeah, then I was a lease hound for, you know, Texaco.
And the only place you get a chicken fried steak out in New Mexico or West Texas was a military base, and all these goddamn Nazis.
You know, one time I didn't want to do it, but that guy smarted off about how they were better at shooting our planes down.
So I went ahead and just rammed his head right through the wall.
I never knew what happened after that.
But son, you just got to kill Nazis.
And those son of a bitches, our government brought in thousands of those assholes.
And I'm like, listen to this.
I'm like, I'm going to read about Nazis.
So until about 10, I start buying books.
When I was like 12, I walk into a bookstore and I went Mein Kampf.
They go, are you a Nazi?
Like reading Hitler's My Struggle.
No, I'm not a Nazi.
Both my grandfathers told me how bad Nazis were and both almost died fighting Nazis.
So I wanted to know about Nazis.
It was this whole ethos.
And so that's just the whole story of understanding that.
And my dad's angle, and my grandfather's angle, and all these other angles.
eddie bravo
Operation Paperclip?
alex jones
He didn't call it Paperclip.
He said, our government brought those.
You think he would always save us?
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's...
I think there was several waves.
There was...
alex jones
It's like 34,000 of them.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was a lot of fucking Nazi scientists brought over there.
eddie bravo
On YouTube it says Operation Paperclip was...
Anywhere from like 1,200 to 1,500 scientists.
alex jones
Search engine.
The total number of admitted congressional hearings in the 1970s.
eddie bravo
Operation Paperclip.
alex jones
Frank Church Committee in the 70s released it.
I believe the number is 34,200 and something.
Look it up.
Just like I told you, they gave people samples.
You pulled it up.
joe rogan
It is fascinating that they brought those people over here, and that's where the space program came from.
alex jones
That's why I wore this shirt.
Not as a sick joke.
They already have the CIA that was LSS. Okay.
unidentified
The CIA is OSS? That's all on record.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
I'm glad you questioned me.
No, but I don't know what that means.
joe rogan
What is OSS again?
alex jones
Office of Special Plans.
eddie bravo
That was before the CIA. And then the CIA came up.
alex jones
Office of Strategic Services.
joe rogan
Sort of like...
alex jones
The Office of Strategic Services.
joe rogan
Like what was before the SEALs?
What Jesse Ventura was in?
alex jones
No, Jesse Ventura wasn't in that.
He was at Auxiliary of the Navy.
He was never in combat.
Anyways, let me expand on that.
The OSS, the Office of...
What is it?
unidentified
See?
alex jones
My memory falls.
The OSS was British Intelligence, already the most powerful intelligence agency ever.
They set up Pratt House in 1922 after World War II to anglicize the U.S. with British intelligence.
Not a British intelligence takeover, a marriage.
This is like on PBS. This is stuff that's true, they admit.
Same thing, only academics are watching it, so they'll tell the truth.
The general pop culture is all crap.
It's meant to be dumbed down.
It's meant to turn you off.
But when you go to the real academic stuff, the old days of Frontline and stuff, I watched that and didn't know it was true.
Later, I have the documents.
It's all real.
Those shows are really accurate.
Bobby Kennedy planned to blow up the embassy in Honduras.
unidentified
What was I getting to?
joe rogan
Nazis.
eddie bravo
Warner Von Braun.
brendan schaub
Isn't it weird that the one man who directed all six moon missions was a Nazi?
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
One guy didn't smoke weed, and one guy's having a problem with his memory.
Two guys did.
eddie bravo
You want to defend Warner Von Braun?
alex jones
I'm not defending him.
In 1935, and I've seen documentaries and read about it, he sketched for Hitler this plan to drop atomic bombs that they hadn't developed yet.
So when you see Red Skull, Marvel comic, they've got a big bomber to blow up New York.
It wasn't a bomber, it was a space plane.
And it was about...
Half the size, but look, just like this.
And the Germans, actually, some of their scientists went to the Russians.
Remember when the Russians tried to build their space shuttle and it was half the size?
That was actually the German plan.
So, look it up.
I'm not kidding.
joe rogan
Because the Russians took a lot of Germans as well, correct?
alex jones
About a third of them, yeah.
So, look.
The reason I'm wearing this is to explain this is a gateway to all of it.
So, you have British intelligence that in one World War I, even though Germany had way more advanced technology, They then take over.
British intelligence basically merges with the U.S. And then the Germans and others say, we've got to go way ahead in technology.
It was all theoretical in labs, but they couldn't mass deploy it.
They didn't have enough machine shops and systems to build it.
And U.S. Special Forces went on suicide missions and blew up the underground mountains.
eddie bravo
How about the Nazis were the first to build flying saucers?
alex jones
All of it.
eddie bravo
How crazy is that?
alex jones
Let me tell you.
eddie bravo
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Isn't that a coincidence?
Amazing cars.
alex jones
British intelligence.
eddie bravo
Flying saucers, dude.
alex jones
The CIA in 47. So now the Nazis are over here and they go, listen, you don't want them running everything.
And they go to Eisenhower and they say, we want to launch a off-base breakaway civilization where you compartmentalize things, forget empires, and you have a new ruling class of technological elites.
And then...
The elites are all in charge.
The public's watching TV and we'll give them widgets and foundation series type things to divert.
This is all in the documents.
And let them try to run an empire.
We'll build a whole new empire.
And so Eisenhower gives a speech, worry about, he doesn't just say military industrial complex, he says the technological elite, watch the full 21 minute speech, his farewell address in 62, he says, or 61, he says you need to Watch out about the scientist, because he said no to the NASA plan when he found out what it was.
joe rogan
What is it?
alex jones
It's a breakaway civilization where you don't try to run the whole planet.
You siphon off resources and build a whole new advanced system, and then you play everybody off against each other and collapse it.
So when I say, what is NASA? If we could take NASA back over, it's bigger than the CIA. It's the real government.
The spaceships and the stuff, that's all PR. NASA is the real government?
NASA, there were two breakaway governments, two shadow governments.
I talked about shadow government 20 years ago.
It's in the documents.
And so you had one that was British-run, and the Germans came to our own U.S. elites and said, hey, you always need a couple plants.
They said, we've got all this on the drawing board, the EU. A plan to poison the food and water to get rid of the dumb people.
A plan for off-world bases.
We've got, by the way, we're taking hardcore drugs and we're in contact with aliens.
They're giving us technology.
It was the Germans first got in touch.
joe rogan
Well, how'd they do it?
unidentified
Drugs.
eddie bravo
They were really into the cult.
alex jones
Drugs.
joe rogan
Yeah, really into the cult.
That's what all the Indiana Jones shit is about.
eddie bravo
He had witches and shit around him at all times.
alex jones
Yeah, human sacrifices.
unidentified
Did you know that?
joe rogan
No, no, that's real shit.
eddie bravo
The real society.
alex jones
What I'm telling you, Joe, this is not me.
You go to the real deep PhD-level history books.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
NASA is the German breakaway government.
It's always the Germans and the Brits fighting for dominance.
joe rogan
So what you're saying is when Operation Paperclip acquired all those Nazi scientists, they essentially started running NASA, so NASA became almost like an offshoot of the German government, this offshoot government?
alex jones
Yeah, the Germans had piled all the wealth away.
They had everything, so they made deals.
joe rogan
Does that really make sense, though, that in 2019 that's still going on?
eddie bravo
No, no, no, no.
alex jones
The British intelligence doesn't run the CIA today.
The British Empire was under attack and just bankrupted itself in World War I. It said, we'll give you the keys to the kingdom.
Churchill wrote three books, The History of the English-Speaking Peoples.
He was half American.
And this is officially in books.
We merged with the British Empire.
In like 1930, covertly.
Okay, that's what the CFR is, is British intelligence and U.S. intelligence.
So the U.S. runs the show.
Okay, so you've got...
But German intelligence came to Eisenhower and said, listen, you don't need to do all this.
We haven't given them the real technology.
We're in contact with aliens.
And they've given us the whole plan.
joe rogan
Now, where are you getting this from that you're stating it so confidently?
alex jones
It's in the literature, man.
Hitler would go to mainline historical books about SS castles where they go, the aliens want blood, so they'd kill like 20 kids and everything, so the aliens would like come in the middle.
It brings them in like sharks.
And then they would give them technology.
They'd go, this is how it works.
You build the atomic weapons this way.
They would show them bombers.
The aliens are telepathic.
I don't even believe this.
This is what the Nazis believe.
And the aliens would mind meld and give them the technology.
They're bad aliens.
Are you surprised the Nazis were influenced by demons?
joe rogan
No, if demons are real, I would definitely think they'd be on the side of the Nazis.
alex jones
But Joe, what I'm telling you is, there'll be no media is going to attack this.
joe rogan
I want to know where I can read it.
Where can I read that?
Those statements that they were in contact with the aliens?
alex jones
Well, obviously, your podcast is giant.
eddie bravo
Nazi Vril Society.
V-R-I-L Society.
You had a group of chicks that's aliens.
They were like right up there with them like doing rituals.
alex jones
And I don't have to come over for three hours.
If I can fly here with a report the day before, I'll send it all to you with mainline books, I'll mail the books with the tabs in them.
And I'll mail documents.
joe rogan
Cool.
Yeah.
Listen, I think that they absolutely were obsessed with the occult.
That's been pretty well documented.
eddie bravo
They made flying saucers?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And I think many, many governments...
alex jones
They developed a more advanced form of nuclear fuel.
Heavy water.
And we had to sit in special forces on suicide missions, back when it was really special forces, to blow it up.
And I'm telling you, the Germans had all sorts of advanced shit.
They just couldn't ever keep the plants from getting blown up because they were a few years behind.
And by the way, Churchill wrote about this in his memoirs and said the Germans were way ahead.
The Germans were bad.
The Nazis were bad.
But it wasn't the Germans that first bombed civilian targets.
In 1941, the Brits were losing the war.
Hitler was bombing their medical facilities and military facilities.
And so they went and bombed German towns and German cities like What's the famous German city?
Dresden.
It was designated a safe city for kids.
Half a million people died in one night to trick Hitler to turn his bombers on the general population.
And they tricked him psychologically to do it.
But Churchill, this has been declassified.
It's in esoteric books.
It's admitted.
eddie bravo
So Hitler was set up?
alex jones
Well, Hitler was bad, but here's what happened.
Albert Speer was his chief armaments and architects minister and British double agent.
Rudolf Hess was the Deputy Fuhrer.
The guy Hitler totally loved.
But you never hear about him since 1941. Because they had a peace treaty with Edward VIII, who was the King of England, who was a Nazi, and who was German.
And they had a deal to stage the attack.
The French stood down.
Vichy French didn't fight.
They put Nazi occupiers in.
The Dunkirk operation was allowed to evacuate.
Edward VIII was supposed to then sue for peace through Neville Chamberlain.
But it's come out that it was all set up by Churchill and others.
Not that they ran Hitler.
They weren't bad.
They were pretty good.
But they master manipulated him and Neville Chamberlain and all of them and bet on the British people in America to come in.
They had deals with...
Roosevelt to then bring us into the war.
And that was the whole master plan.
And you can actually go to the history and see all that.
And that's what's so incredible, Joe, when you have all this info.
And so Rudolph Hess, in 1941-42, he flies a one-man bomber.
He was a World War I fighter ace.
Like the number three ace.
Like a hundred and something aircraft.
Look it up.
Rudolph Hess.
He flies in parachutes into...
The castle the king was in at the time, in like northern England, I forget the name of it, he parachutes in with the peace treaty signed by the king of England.
They lock him up in the tower for the rest of his life.
In London.
And Edward VIII had to advocate.
Type in Edward VIII, Hitler.
And you'll see him in videos, films, and photos.
He was in Spain when World War II started.
joe rogan
Where do you think the contact with the aliens came from?
When did that start?
alex jones
Alright, this is the most important thing we're uncovering.
eddie bravo
Not aliens, like interdimensional aliens?
alex jones
Alien means anything, none of this world.
joe rogan
When did that happen?
Get that motherfucking vodka loose.
It's fake.
I need to hear about aliens.
Yeah.
alex jones
We don't smoke marijuana.
unidentified
You know what's crazy about aliens?
brendan schaub
Is it YouTube made a big announcement that they're going to go after 9-11 videos?
eddie bravo
I don't know if this is true.
I don't know, but is it true that they're demonetizing any videos that have truth or liberty in them?
alex jones
Is that true?
eddie bravo
I don't know if that's true, but I heard that.
That sounds crazy.
alex jones
Hold on.
eddie bravo
Let me finish.
Let me finish real quick.
It's crazy how they're going after 9-11, Miracle Cures, but they're blowing up alien videos.
alex jones
Let me tell you.
They're blowing them the fuck up.
My wife is wonderful and she's sweet.
eddie bravo
Those are the strongest monetized videos out there.
I don't know about that.
Is that true?
No, no, it's true.
joe rogan
The strongest monetized video?
alex jones
It is.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of videos out there.
eddie bravo
They're getting the best deals.
They have the best toys.
They have the top-of-the-line sponsors.
alex jones
I'll tell you when Eddie's right.
I actually know the numbers.
eddie bravo
They're blowing up alien videos right now.
joe rogan
There's a little kid who makes $22 million a year reviewing toys.
alex jones
Oh, no.
joe rogan
That's like the number one.
Isn't he like one of the number one guys on YouTube?
He's like eight.
eddie bravo
I'm saying that alien videos get monetized by high-level sponsors.
The high-level ones.
joe rogan
That's what I meant.
They're non-offensive.
People get drawn into them.
eddie bravo
But they're saying that the government's covering this up.
Why ain't they shutting that shit down?
They're talking about that the government is lying and covering it up.
joe rogan
Because it's funny.
eddie bravo
Dude, it's hysterical.
joe rogan
How did the connection with aliens start?
You said this is the most important thing you discuss on the podcast.
alex jones
And Eddie, I... I love you to death.
You're awesome.
That's why I asked for you to be here.
eddie bravo
Hey, if you want to believe in aliens, I'm cool with that.
I still love you.
I don't care.
I don't care about that.
alex jones
Listen, this is not what I believe, okay?
eddie bravo
I love you for who you are.
alex jones
I love you too.
I'm trying to tell you something.
Listen, man, let me tell you something.
Let me tell you something.
eddie bravo
Okay.
alex jones
I'm not making this stuff up.
eddie bravo
I believe you believe it.
alex jones
No.
I mean, the stuff I told you earlier about my dad at the table being offered half a million dollars in 1986 to build cyborgs in Maryland.
joe rogan
No, he wasn't here for that part.
alex jones
Okay.
joe rogan
He came in later.
But tell me how the connection with aliens got started.
eddie bravo
With who?
Connection with aliens?
joe rogan
The Nazis.
When people started becoming obsessed with contact with the aliens, he was saying the Nazis developed some sort of a connection.
alex jones
You know...
Eddie's right.
They flood YouTube and mainstream media.
They always thought it was safe.
I talked about the Private Federal Reserve, the New World Order, if I went on some big show, as long as they mixed aliens in with it.
And I was never the alien guy.
Right?
I've never been the big alien guy.
eddie bravo
Never.
And you know what?
That's right.
I remember when I was balls deep in aliens, because I believed all that shit.
It used to be that you'd be a conspiracy theorist if you believed in aliens.
Not anymore.
Now, if you believe in aliens, you're not a conspiracy theorist.
You're mainstream now.
joe rogan
Okay, but let's tell me how the connection between aliens and the Nazis took place.
When did all this start?
alex jones
Let me begin.
I'm telling you, Joe, this is a real deal.
joe rogan
I believe you.
alex jones
This is, you ask, who are they?
It's people who are psychically, genetically available to interface in this incredibly diverse universe with all these dimensions above and below and all around us with consciousnesses.
And the truth is, no energy is ever destroyed.
It all continues on.
The truth is, our bodies, this is a fact, are a communal hive organism.
Of all of our ancestors and all of their race memories, but not in just some compressed epigenetic system.
It's beyond that.
It's an electrochemical antenna, they've proven this, that connects to higher and lower dimensions.
So our body suit...
Because our predecessors wouldn't put us in a position without giving us a bodysuit that is them.
Our families are loving us.
They're holding us.
They're wrapped all around us.
Their strength, their will, their bad, their good, their sins, the good things they did, the battles they won, the battles they lost, the woman they loved, the man they loved.
It's all in us, all these people.
It's why we're able to look into so many things and have so many different experiences.
And so all the shaman, all the ancient religions, everybody says there are the good ones and there are the bad ones.
And people are interfacing.
So you say, where does it begin?
From the Tibetans to the Mesoamericans to the Egyptians to the Druids to every ancient society describes the same thing.
There are bad things that look like elves that have horns when they show you who they really are.
And there are good things, but they don't contact you unless you contact them.
And then they're almost not even concerned with what you're doing.
I never bought into this, looked into it.
But then I began to think about what did I hear when I was a kid?
What did I see?
What was coming out in government documents?
What was being admitted?
When I read all these books about World War II and the Nazis and Hitler obsessed with the Dalai Lama and the Tibetans and what they were able to do without drugs to interface with this and all the rituals they would do and how they would believe that beyond the ether, like at Skull and Bones, it's a German death cult, they do rituals and take drugs to talk to the goddesses.
Well, they're just appearing as, you know, sexy, beautiful women.
It's whatever you want as these spirit guides because lower entities will come in and violate your free will.
God and his angels, which are below him, will not get involved in your everyday life.
They will not...
Manipulate your free will unless you ask them in.
But then the devil masquerades as an angel of light.
So we're on this planet, the third dimension, which is a launch pad to all the other dimensions below and above.
The third dimension, all the mathematics shows, is the primal sea of where all this happens.
And the earth's like an egg.
And we've got all this potentiality.
And God will send out a transmission for a larger plan, but evil is willing to come in and what does it say?
Demoralize.
Get rid of children.
Don't have kids.
Humans are bad.
We'll be better once you're all gone.
And it's because it's their operational mission for whatever reason that we'll understand later what's going on.
So the Nazis, if you get into deep literature, they believed they were basically seancing and being possessed by entities.
I mean, it was before the Nazis.
For whatever reason, it was the Germans that this happened to, and the Swiss.
Like, they didn't discover LSD in the 30s.
These people were running the psychology departments.
They were interfacing with the occult.
They were involved in all this crazy stuff.
And it was all about their power and how great they were going to be.
And the Germans were seduced.
And they were seduced because they had high IQs, but more than that, they were psychically connected to each other and would work like robots.
The Chinese and the EU want robots to replace us because they'll follow orders.
And the Chinese are very conscious when they're conscious, but they're also very robotic.
But the Germans are just as robotic.
So this entity system picked Germans.
As its attempt, even in World War I, World War II, and it was manipulating the Brits as well, and offering them technologies, but two different paths.
One was social control, and all this other stuff with the Brits.
The other was high-tech weapons, systems, interdimensional with the Germans.
And so, whoever these players are, and you can dial into it, but it's very dangerous.
They're manipulating the British arm versus the German arm, and then they've got the Chinese arm that's almost seen as like their robot army.
And so when you study it, the globalists go to these events and they take bigger and bigger doses of drugs.
They do electroshock.
If you go back to owners of Time Life Books, they weren't just in the 20s and 30s into LSD and other hallucinogens and apothecary.
They were getting electroshock.
They were having people turn their heart off to try to communicate with these things, to try to be dominant and get that.
So you go back thousands of years, Merlin, the archetypal, or these magicians or these wizards are taking drugs in these temples and interfacing with these palantirs, these crystal balls, which aren't really crystal balls.
It's their Psychic focus of an interdimensional connection while they're on drugs looking into glass to then be able to see the future and understand what's happening to give them temporal power over this planet.
But like the Bible tells you, any pharmakia or any of that always leads to destruction because only evil is going to come through that way.
So we basically have these light sockets.
We can't jack into the higher unless it's our free will and that takes time.
We jack in to the evil.
So you can jack into evil, you can't jack into good right away.
So it's quicker, it's easier, like Yoda says about Darth Vader.
Quicker, easier, more seductive.
And so then I remember being a kid.
And my parents, they don't really get mad about this, it's whatever.
They didn't even know what they were hearing at the time.
But they had friends that they knew at UT that were involved in research projects.
And nine times out of ten I heard about research projects in San Francisco.
UT has some, MIT has a lot.
And shot me anytime you want.
But this was in like the 60s.
They had virtual reality gloves where you'd put them on and put goggles on and you'd go into stuff that looked like the holodeck from Star Trek.
20 years before it existed.
And they were doing surgeries and all this.
And they would do empathy loads where they'd say, we need the public because we're so weak because the West is so strong.
People haven't had trauma.
So they sold them low level.
Oh, we're going to create trauma.
Like when you go to Mars, you're not getting any gravity so your heart's no good when you get there.
joe rogan
Who's organizing all this?
alex jones
Well, they don't tell you.
They go, oh, it's a special class you've been about to.
So in the 60s, they had gloves.
joe rogan
So there's a special class of people that are organizing all this shit for what?
alex jones
It's the highest scores.
joe rogan
But is it for...
For what purpose?
alex jones
Well, you don't know.
joe rogan
Financial gain, social status.
eddie bravo
Jack Parsons.
alex jones
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Aleister Crowley, Devil Worship.
eddie bravo
Exactly.
Aleister Crowley.
alex jones
Aleister Crowley, over a hundred years ago.
eddie bravo
Listen to this.
alex jones
How crazy is this?
unidentified
The founder of JPL, Jack Parsons.
eddie bravo
Have you heard this before?
joe rogan
No, I just can't believe I didn't want to have Alex on the podcast.
alex jones
Have you ever heard that before?
Let me finish.
eddie bravo
Let me finish.
alex jones
Let me say this.
I'm not trying to take over, but two years ago, I'm not bullshitting you.
Okay, I'm telling you this stuff.
I don't believe in this, okay?
joe rogan
There it is right there.
jamie vernon
This was patented in 1957. It's a VR machine.
alex jones
Exactly.
No, exactly.
eddie bravo
That's crazy.
alex jones
So I've talked to people, not just family.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
joe rogan
Gives you wind, vibration, aromas, stereo sound, color, motion, wide vision, and 3D, three-dimensional.
alex jones
But let me tell you, they wore a mask in the 60s and 70s.
That was already, like you see, like paper-thin TV screens?
And it was already, I talked to people, they said, there's no way this was human technology.
joe rogan
So you've seen these foldable phones?
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think the aliens have already taken over Samsung and Huawei.
alex jones
Yeah, they're dialed in.
joe rogan
Do you think the aliens are taking over Samsung?
Do they have something to do with Samsung?
alex jones
Well, obviously, that's what I'm telling you, is the Pentagon isn't worried about astronauts.
joe rogan
What is on this, Jamie?
jamie vernon
This is the patent.
alex jones
Wow.
And notice, that's the, what you said, the 60s?
I believe 1957. So, notice that's exactly what you're...
That's what my dad told me.
joe rogan
That's what our HTC Vive looks like.
That's what our Vive looks like.
unidentified
Today.
alex jones
Today.
See, Joe, this is big.
My dad didn't tell me this until he saw Endgame, and he said, no, son, we had virtual reality goggles, and we had CD-ROM, and we had things, and then something else happened, and I'm not at liberty to get into it, but I was shown three years ago.
What the University of Washington was doing under Bill Gates.
And this is in the 90s.
joe rogan
What were they doing?
alex jones
They don't even know what they're being given.
It's intravenous.
joe rogan
So you think it's some sort of alien intervention type shit?
alex jones
Dude, to get even deeper, they turn your heart off for five minutes.
And they pump oxygen into your blood.
And you're in the meetings.
I've talked to people that are involved.
I mean, top scientists.
And you're in the meetings with frickin' aliens.
Elves is the main group.
joe rogan
So by shutting your heart off, it makes you have that psychedelic experience by keeping blood in your oxygen, it keeps you alive?
alex jones
Well, let's explain.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
The heart goes out, the body thinks it's dead.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
So you can stay in longer.
I don't know all the science behind it.
joe rogan
I understand.
alex jones
But let's explain this.
When you've taken DMT or ayahuasca 200 times, like most are astronauts and test pilots that are flying planes.
Those are robots now.
It's all mind war.
So these dudes are like, it stops working once you've taken it hundreds of times.
So then they start taking their most psychic people who are able to do this and they turn their heart off.
And then they put them into these events and it's like the things that aliens tell them, they come out and they tell scientists and it works.
joe rogan
Like what kind of shit?
alex jones
Let me tell you, you get killed for this stuff, Joe.
Why do you think they want me off the air?
Because when I finally figured this out, because I never touched aliens, I kind of knew the whole thing already.
Here's what I'm telling you about.
When I was a kid, 8, 9, whatever it was, this lady would come over that had known my parents since UT and was involved.
And she'd talk about, yeah, we call it the Psychedelic Research Institute or whatever the name was, but it's really a CIA deal.
And, you know, we just can't find people that can handle it.
They're going in.
The elves want this.
And the elves want us to basically reduce population and agree to these certain plans.
And it's always dehumanization.
And they call them the elves.
It's the clockwork elves.
And they're like, yeah.
And I'm listening to my parents.
They're like seven, eight years old.
They don't think you're listening, talking about, well, this is what the elves want and this is what they're going to do.
And the thing is, it's not my parents aren't that special.
You go out to San Francisco.
It's all there is, dude.
It's a cult, man.
All these guys you know from San Francisco, dude.
You look at the head of Google or YouTube or freaking Apple.
He's on TV. Tim Cook and his eyes are this big under lights, man.
These guys are on stuff that nobody even knows.
joe rogan
What do you think they're on?
alex jones
Stuff they've been given.
I mean, I know people at UT. They won't tell me specifically.
eddie bravo
Like the dude who owns YouTube?
Who's that guy?
What's his name?
joe rogan
Maybe it's a girl, you sexist pig.
alex jones
No, no.
eddie bravo
Maybe it's a he-him.
Maybe it's a he-him.
alex jones
Alphabet's the parent company.
joe rogan
Maybe it's a zur.
alex jones
Take Pachari.
eddie bravo
It's not one dude that's not like a Jack Dorsey of YouTube.
alex jones
Take Sundar Pachari.
He goes in Congress.
I'm there.
joe rogan
He's the CEO of YouTube?
alex jones
He's the CEO of Google.
joe rogan
Google.
Sorry.
alex jones
And he's literally on TV going, we never fix the result.
We don't spy on anybody.
There is no surveillance.
And you've got all these old white men.
And I'm not saying white men to be trendy.
It's all a bunch of old dumbass white men and a couple of dumbass old Mexican black ladies.
They're all dumb.
No matter what color they are.
Going, so you don't spy on it or control it.
Meanwhile, their own prospectus to their shareholders is how they control it all.
Now they're going to deliver maximum profit.
And Sundar's like, yes, it is true.
We have never controlled the search result, and I'm just listening to pure lies.
Meanwhile, this guy's only the front guy of Eric Schmidt, and God knows what they're into.
joe rogan
Has it been proven that Google does something to alter search results?
I'm asking because I don't know.
I'm not asking to fuck with you.
alex jones
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
What did they do?
alex jones
Google itself is about if you pay them, they put your results at the top.
Just like Facebook.
joe rogan
Okay, well that's definitely altering search results.
So what he said was not true.
If you can pay...
alex jones
It's like saying water ain't wet, Joe.
I know you know all this stuff.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
No, I don't know that.
I don't know that.
No, listen.
I'm honest about what I don't know.
I know some things.
But there's a lot of fucking holes in my knowledge base.
That's a fact.
alex jones
Well, you know that they try to block my name and direct it toward negative stuff.
joe rogan
I'm sure they do.
If they do manipulate data.
alex jones
All they do is, the negative, you attack me, it's digital currency.
You go to the top and they pay you money.
So let me give everybody a little tip watching.
Attack me, lie about me, go to the top, but you lose your soul.
joe rogan
Your soul.
alex jones
But I don't want to burn this out.
There's important stuff to cover.
joe rogan
Aliens.
alex jones
And I think this is a good podcast.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
alex jones
But you need to drink some whiskey.
Tell me about your sponsor.
eddie bravo
Wasn't the...
alex jones
Don't end this, Joe, because I'm already missing my flight.
Look at this right here.
What is the endgame?
I mean, here's an example earlier.
We already talked about human-animal hybrids, mass farming of humanoid tissue, transhuman endgame.
joe rogan
And we talked about aliens.
alex jones
And you looked it up, and it's all right there.
As for the aliens, creating a human-animal hybrid is an alien.
eddie bravo
Like greys and stuff like that?
joe rogan
Do you think greys are like a robot?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've heard that theory that it's not a real living thing.
The idea is that at a certain point in time you can interface with that robot so that you can see it in real time through its eyes somewhere else.
eddie bravo
Wait, so you believe in grays are real?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
This is what I'm saying.
If one day in the future...
alex jones
Grays are biological androids.
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
If one day in the future they figure out a way to take a thing that looks like a humanoid...
alex jones
It's an avatar!
joe rogan
Yeah, and transport it through a spaceship.
On to another planet.
And you could look through its eyes because you're somehow or another connected to it the same way they're connected to the satellites.
alex jones
No, you're all being prepared in video games where you're bow hunting and all that.
You just saw the 1950s diagram of the VR goggles.
Can we pull up a famous photo of...
joe rogan
You don't believe in any aliens, Eddie?
eddie bravo
I don't believe they come from up there.
joe rogan
I think they're interdimensional.
eddie bravo
I think they're from the same place we are.
I think we're in this vast plain and there's a lot of shit everywhere.
They got us enclosed in this little thing.
alex jones
Here's the deal.
Eddie, you learn.
Here's the thing.
You learn what the plan is by the attack.
They don't want us having kids.
They want us demoralized.
They want to break us down.
They don't want us to think we can expand.
And they don't want us to believe that there's space.
And I'm not trying to attack you, but they don't want third-dimensional resource expansion.
eddie bravo
I don't even know what that is.
alex jones
Well, they don't want us.
joe rogan
Third-dimensional resource expansion.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
eddie bravo
I don't know if I want that or not.
alex jones
Look, that's a 1950s diagram.
joe rogan
No.
alex jones
And by the way, I never saw that.
I'm glad he found the patent.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's crazy.
alex jones
My dad told me, oh, we had virtual reality.
And then I talked to this scientist, and he put me in touch with somebody else, and then I found out other stuff.
Let's just say this.
I'm not in the CIA. Me neither.
I'm not in the NSA. Me neither.
But they've been tracking me my whole life.
eddie bravo
Do you think they give you disinformation sometimes?
alex jones
Oh, absolutely.
joe rogan
For sure.
alex jones
It was the CIA. It was the former deputy director, basically the CIA section chief, founder of Delta Force, who got me to, like two weeks ago, Alex, you're not saying Sandy Hook's stage.
You need to go say Sandy Hook's stage.
He goes, oh, we have the people.
We're there.
And just because he was famous MIT scientist and stuff, I went with that.
So imagine they already had AI computers probably.
I'm speculating, looking way out to set me up.
I mean, I don't know.
joe rogan
I'm sure there's people setting everybody up.
If you think, I told you about this, I don't know if I told you, but I told people that have listened to this podcast, but this woman, Renee DiResta, and she had a podcast with Sam Harris.
Where they went into detail about the operation that people had used to troll Facebook pages and Instagram pages where the Russians had created these trollbots and these meme pages.
Hundreds of thousands of hilarious memes.
alex jones
By the way, the Russians are all doing it.
Everyone's doing it.
joe rogan
Everyone's doing it.
alex jones
The idea that just Russians are.
joe rogan
Everyone's doing it.
But the thing that was fascinating was she was saying that they organized a Muslim event across the street from a pro-Texas event.
alex jones
Yeah, they want explosions.
joe rogan
They would have black lives.
Blue Lives Matter next to Blue Lives Matter.
They'd set everybody up with everybody.
eddie bravo
There's a Blue Lives Matter?
joe rogan
There's a lot of...
alex jones
What was Jim Morrison at film school here in California trained on by the CIA? What was he trained on?
He was trained on...
joe rogan
Can I hear this when I get back?
alex jones
Let's hear a video.
No, no.
joe rogan
Eddie has said this before, and I've said, that's crazy.
alex jones
No, don't end the podcast.
I'm going to keep going.
joe rogan
I've got to pee.
I've got to pee.
I'm not going to worry.
alex jones
I've got to pee.
joe rogan
You've got to pee again?
alex jones
Can you guys take turns?
joe rogan
Let me go first.
Let me go first.
eddie bravo
Because me and Jamie, all we got is the Cleveland Browns.
We'll go off about fucking Baker Mayfield for like 10 minutes.
alex jones
Let me just say this.
eddie bravo
Nick Chubb.
They got that new guy from Kansas City.
alex jones
The only way they get what I'm actually saying is Infowars.com and Newswars.com.
You have to...
I mean, we had 20...
Six million subscribers between my three shows on iTunes.
All they were doing was linking to my feed.
They delisted that and it killed us.
And I was always like, oh God, I don't care about being deleted off YouTube or Facebook.
God, don't figure out the iTunes.
Don't do it.
That was like devastating.
Because people are like habitualized to listen to you.
They don't anymore.
But I want to be 100% clear.
You have to go to Infowars.com.
You have to go to Newswars.com if you want to actually hear what I have to say.
In fact, I'm not telling you guys what to play.
Joe.
I'm not mad at Joe.
But he heard me say that Jimmy Savelle would go have sex with dead kids and also cut out their pituitaries that has adrenochrome in it and eat it.
And I know that sounds completely insane.
He was a famous child molester.
It's admitted.
And so Joe's like, oh, that's crap.
That's crazy.
Alex has gone schizophrenic.
Well, yeah, I've probably gone crazy looking into all this and actually caring.
Most people don't because they'll go crazy.
But the adrenochrome thing is real.
So if you go to...
What's the exact name of that video?
This is a three-minute video that I really think people should see.
It doesn't defame anybody.
It doesn't name names.
It doesn't do any of that stuff.
But if you go to Infowars.com, Adrenochrome, let me see it right here.
eddie bravo
What's Adrenochrome?
alex jones
Oh, man, dude.
It's just, you've heard about all these rich startup companies that, like, well, the parents agree.
The kid has a right to wave.
They want 10-year-olds and below his blood.
eddie bravo
What, what, what?
alex jones
You've heard rich people taking kids' blood, right?
eddie bravo
Yeah, it seems like teen blood works well for people in their elderly years.
Is this true?
alex jones
Absolutely.
eddie bravo
Was that a conspiracy theory?
alex jones
No, it's all true, and that's what I'm saying.
It's vampirism.
It doesn't mean vampires are real.
It means that attitude.
I don't know if we can find this.
It's a three-minute video that my reporters did.
Adrenochrome.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You sent it to me.
alex jones
Can you tell them the name?
It's on your phone.
joe rogan
You got it?
Okay.
alex jones
It's only three minutes, and I'm telling you, this is real.
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
Stop right here.
YouTube just released a bunch of...
Total new guidelines where if you play anybody's content and you get a strike against you, you're pulled for 90 days, you can't stream, you can't do shit.
alex jones
Yeah, now they're saying you can't have comments that are bad.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
So now you're guilty for what your neighbor does.
Well, Joey, you're the king of the YouTube.
They're not going to do that to you.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know who the fuck's going to do it to who, but after this podcast, I think all bets could be off.
alex jones
No, but I'm saying this is our own content.
eddie bravo
Is it true?
alex jones
It's totally fair use.
brendan schaub
Is it true that YouTube is really demonetizing any videos that have truth and liberty?
eddie bravo
Is that true?
alex jones
They got everybody to get on Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube.
We all advertise on our businesses and our radio shows and our TV shows.
This big diversified media worldwide said, hey, here's where you can get our material.
It's a great system.
So for 10 years, we built it up so that the web was 90% decentralized.
Now it's 90% centralized.
And so once the big tech got us all centralized, they went, oh yeah!
Just like when you're cashless, we'll take your bank account away if you don't support us.
Boom, you're all gone.
So now we have to fight back against that.
joe rogan
There's something to that.
There's something to this idea that one giant corporation can decide, especially based on their own personal ideology, what gets put on and what doesn't get put on.
alex jones
Because, Joe, they're control freaks.
joe rogan
Everybody's a control freak.
alex jones
That's why I'm so glad you're in the fight now.
Thank you.
eddie bravo
Is there a...
alex jones
What does that mean?
joe rogan
Japanese.
eddie bravo
Hey, listen.
alex jones
It's my video.
It's totally legal.
It just talks about Google searches for Adrenochrome.
No, I authorize you to air my video.
jamie vernon
The only issue, just right at the beginning, I see it has a part of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
alex jones
He has 10 seconds of that.
joe rogan
They'll get us in 10 seconds.
Let's tell people the link so they can go to it themselves.
I can show it, but I can't play the video.
This is essentially about people that are putting old people...
Is it people are putting young people's blood into old people's bodies?
Is that what it is?
alex jones
It's that you were, and I know why you question it, because you're not a psychotic demon person.
joe rogan
Thanks.
alex jones
You're like, I don't believe that Alex says that some BBC broadcaster would go have sex with dead kids' bodies at the morgue and eat their brains.
joe rogan
That's not what I said.
What I said, I didn't believe Bill Maher was a pedophile.
That's all I said.
alex jones
I said that his thing, his name, I don't think he's a pedophile either.
Everybody I know says he likes women, which is fine.
joe rogan
I think he likes women.
You know, we were talking about him earlier, and I can say this from the perspective of a stand-up comedian.
We say a lot of shit that we don't entirely mean because we think it's funny.
Eddie and I do it all the time.
That's why Eddie said that to you earlier.
You really think that someone's going to...
They're going to legislate to harvest babies.
He's doing that to fuck with you.
That's his style of comedy.
But, like, Eddie's been doing that style of comedy since I met him.
Like, he loves to do that.
He loves to pretend and fuck with you and then get you upset.
He's like, I'm joking.
alex jones
Well, Joe, you're nursing that drink.
Let's slam him.
joe rogan
Okay.
Salute, my friend.
eddie bravo
Hey, can I have one of them whiskeys over there?
joe rogan
Yeah, we got another beverage?
alex jones
Uh-oh, Bravo's about to turn loose.
eddie bravo
Nah, just a little.
alex jones
Hey, I get you're busy, but last time you were at a comedy show, were you going to get steaks after this or no?
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Let's do it.
joe rogan
Let's do it.
eddie bravo
Let's get some steaks.
unidentified
Shit.
joe rogan
You want Zevia in it?
unidentified
Nah.
joe rogan
No?
alex jones
Can you imagine if we announce we're going to get steaks?
Cheers.
joe rogan
No, we can't tell you.
alex jones
That's a joke.
Oh, I understand.
eddie bravo
Oh, shit.
alex jones
Hey, but Joe, let me get real serious.
I appreciate all the time and everything.
I appreciate you.
joe rogan
Listen, I appreciate you, too.
And I'm really glad we did this.
alex jones
I'm glad we're not stopping, though, right?
joe rogan
No, no stopping.
alex jones
I just want to say this.
I want to be clear.
I have literally been trying to find out what's going on.
And as you get older, you figure out more stuff.
I am not the one saying there's all these aliens.
The entire government and all of these advanced groups, that's why they've given up on space, is they're all about interdimensional.
So I didn't finish up about, and I want to get Eddie's take, then I'll get into your take, is that I've got a pretty good understanding by interviewing a bunch of people involved about what the master plan is and exactly who we're dealing with, because it's not just one group of aliens.
joe rogan
What's the different groups?
And what are you basing this on?
When you say it, you're saying it like you're really sure.
What are you basing this on?
alex jones
You know about General Stubblebine, right?
joe rogan
No, I don't.
alex jones
Okay, well, he was a major general.
He was a three-star general.
And he was the head of all clandestine operations for the U.S. government for like 15 years.
And he said on my show before he died at like 98 or whatever.
But also in private discussions.
And this is like six, seven years ago.
And I was interviewing like 15 years ago.
I mean, this is the guy that ran the whole show.
You know men who stare at ghosts?
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
That's a joke about that.
It kind of whitewashes it all.
But they broke through and got contact.
And they had volunteers, really serious people.
Who were taking huge doses of drugs to do this.
Then I learned NASA was doing it.
And that's why they got to the point of saying, well, why should we try to go to other places?
The third dimension is just this empty wasteland.
Above it and below it is all this incredibly complex stuff.
But our brains tune all of it out because we can't handle it.
That's why, like, young people before they hit puberty are known to be psychic, because for whatever reason, they're able to see through the veil.
And all religions are based about seeing through the veil.
joe rogan
Well, that's what intense meditation does for you, right?
That's holotropic breathing, a lot of that kundalini stuff.
What they're doing is allowing your brain to relax its boundaries and interface with all the other dimensions that are around us all the time.
alex jones
Exactly, but...
joe rogan
You usually can only get through psychedelic drugs.
alex jones
But dark forces generally are the ones that are willing.
Good forces are not willing to get involved in free will.
joe rogan
So you think that there are actual entities that are in these dimensions that you're in contact with?
alex jones
Okay.
There are...
joe rogan
Have you experienced any of this personally?
alex jones
Let me get to that in a minute.
There are hundreds, and they're discovering new ones all the time, of...
Parasites, bacteria, worms that control life forms, whatever they want.
joe rogan
Yes.
Have you ever seen the zombie ants?
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
Or a zombie wasp?
alex jones
Zombie wasp.
joe rogan
Wasp, yeah.
Yeah, there's so many of them.
They keep finding them, particularly in the insect world, which is really interesting.
alex jones
So the lowest level is able to infect you with something that controls your brain down to exact activities.
joe rogan
Yeah, exact activities.
Have you personally had any experience with interdimensional beings?
alex jones
Because it's all taboo?
joe rogan
Well, let me tell you, I have.
I 100% have.
alex jones
Tell us about it.
joe rogan
Doing DMT. I've 100% communicated with something.
The question is whether that something was actually in my imagination or in my mind, or that something was something that takes place in another dimension.
I don't know.
I can't be sure.
There's no way to put it on a scale.
There's no way to run it through a test.
But what I do know is that it's the same experience.
alex jones
I can be sure.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
I mentioned Eric Muller, who you know, Mankell Muller, because he's the one guy willing to let me tell a story.
I've literally talked to, I say 100 people.
It's probably more than that, because I've known about this for a long time.
He is a Christian, but he heard about all this, so he went down to a couple places in Central and South America and did it twice.
Both times it was 30 to 40 people in the group.
And he's like, well, Alex...
I just don't believe in demons, but I did see basically aliens come up to the edge of the forest, and we were all seeing the same thing, but I think it was a chemical reaction.
You don't have a...
If everybody gets drunk, we all think about what happened to us in high school or college or what's good or what's bad.
We all have different experiences.
When you're taking a hallucinogen and suddenly you're all seeing the same thing, it just means it clicked off the part of your brain as a filter, so you go crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
Because a lot of schizophrenic people just see more.
And then they see everything.
It doesn't mean they're right.
It just means that the filter is off.
joe rogan
Well, I always said, you ever run your hand over an insect that can't see?
They have no idea you're there.
They're like certain insects.
They just don't see anything, whether it's a centipede or whatever.
eddie bravo
And how do we know what they see?
joe rogan
We don't know.
You're right.
By dissecting dead ones, we have an understanding of what sensors they possess.
eddie bravo
We think a bee or a fly sees like a bunch of little hexagons or whatever.
joe rogan
We know that they have a bunch of different...
Yeah, we don't know what the exact experience was.
I told you the whole story that happened.
alex jones
Joe, they've got computers hooked up to the damn bugs.
They've got everything.
joe rogan
Computers are hooked up to the bugs?
alex jones
The difference is, let me tell you, 35 years ago, they had remote-controlled rats with microchips.
They could send 500 yards into a bombed-out building with a camera on their top.
joe rogan
They did that shit to dolphins, too, right?
alex jones
They've got roaches and mainline scientific American roaches with a chip on their head that run around.
The difference is, the reason it's dangerous...
Is that once you open that gate, it's all bad.
joe rogan
Why is it all bad?
Why can't you experience that interdimensional being and learn something from it?
And be a better person when you come out of it?
alex jones
Because, for whatever reason, at first it's all beautiful and soon you're an Aztec base, cadnipping all the local tribes and killing whoever's the tallest or the smartest.
Every time it gets control...
It starts murdering everybody.
It always starts beautiful.
It always starts great.
joe rogan
So you're talking about ancient civilizations where they ritualize psychedelic drugs and they wind up killing everybody?
alex jones
In every case.
In every case, the priests say, we have to throw babies into fires.
We have to cut their hearts out.
We have to bite their genitals.
eddie bravo
True or false, supposedly the mushrooms were used by the Aztecs so that they wouldn't resist.
They'd get them all high on mushrooms.
alex jones
They had a cocktail.
They had a cocktail.
eddie bravo
They don't resist.
alex jones
Is this true?
Of dozens of hallucinogens and toxins that would give them an enema.
eddie bravo
True or false, though?
They didn't use mushrooms just to keep them sedated?
joe rogan
It makes sense.
They killed...
Pull this up.
I think the temple...
I forget how you say it.
Teocon?
But in this one temple, I think they killed some insane amount of people after it was constructed.
Tens of thousands.
They sacrificed tens of thousands of people, the ones that were actually working to build the temple.
Once they died, they killed everybody.
alex jones
I've been down there with real university heads.
I want to hear from them.
These are the Mayans.
And they said, yeah, we're opening an interdimensional gate.
The gods want blood.
And they didn't take it.
Internally, to the mouth, they would take enemas of dozens of hallucinogens and alcohol.
And so the priest would take a couple of drugs, and then the priest wanted to communicate with the aliens, and the aliens wanted blood.
So it was more like, we're chopping hearts out.
Yes, sir.
Okay, we did a thousand.
Okay, the gate's open.
unidentified
Gate's open.
joe rogan
Here it goes.
Jamie says, it says they, between, wow, between 10,000 and 84. 80,400 persons were sacrificed in the ceremony in 1487 when the Aztecs completed the temple.
And how do you say the temple name?
Pull up the top of the...
unidentified
You're right.
joe rogan
How do you say it?
alex jones
Memory's good.
It's all over.
joe rogan
How do you say the temple name?
jamie vernon
It didn't say it right there.
joe rogan
Oh, it didn't say it?
alex jones
That's Mexico City.
joe rogan
I think it's Tioacan.
I think I'm saying it wrong.
alex jones
Mexico City is where they think they killed about 5 million people.
This is one day.
joe rogan
Fucking insane.
They killed 80,000 people in a couple of days.
That's bananas, man.
alex jones
And by the way, you go down there, and you're walking around in the woods, and the Mayan guy goes, the bones.
And they pick up, and you're like, it's not gravel.
It's petrified bones are everywhere.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
alex jones
But let me go further.
The priesthood were meat sellers.
This happened in Europe as well.
They would hang people up.
And the stores, the market is below the temples.
And so you would eat the meat.
And the most valuable meat was warriors.
Like when you won the ball-throwing game that went on for days, they would kill you.
They killed you.
joe rogan
The ones who won were murdered.
This is the thing.
They used to think that they sacrificed the losing team.
Now they realize they sacrificed the winning team.
I had a bit about it for a while where I was like, that must have been the longest fucking game ever.
unidentified
Dude's just dropping the ball, fucking up, missing shots.
alex jones
No, no, but they were all fighting because they wanted to fight.
They believed they were food for their dogs.
joe rogan
Yeah, they wanted to die.
alex jones
Because they told them, they said, quits Cotlapodal the flying.
Serpent.
joe rogan
Quetzalcoatl.
alex jones
Quetzalcoatl, yeah.
You're going to interface and upload to its brain.
And you look at their paintings, it's all like spaceships and dials.
They have perfect in the Spanish museum for 200 years.
Proving it's not a hoax, because there's drawings of it in 200-year-old Spanish textbooks.
But you can go see it.
It's about a half foot long.
It looks like a jumbo jet with the windows and the engines.
eddie bravo
True or false?
brendan schaub
The Mayans smoked penis blood.
alex jones
They did.
eddie bravo
They did.
alex jones
What they did was...
eddie bravo
You thought I made that shit up?
alex jones
I did.
joe rogan
I thought you were just being silly.
eddie bravo
No, no, that's true.
alex jones
But they took long lines of leather.
Jaguar leather.
And it had nails on it, or it had like spiky things, a glass, and they would put it in their genitals.
Oh, the most skilled priest, the high priest, while they were sacrificing people for hours taking hallucinogens.
Would not try to cut his testicles off, but only the most skilled would sit there and draw them through their testicles.
eddie bravo
And they would smoke the blood so that they could talk to their ancestors.
Seriously.
alex jones
The lower priest would then put it on sacred leaves, and then they would smoke the genital blood of the high priest.
eddie bravo
They would talk to their ancestors.
joe rogan
I believe it.
People are so goofy.
Look, if you see those African ladies with the giant plates in their lips, if you believe that people...
alex jones
The necks?
joe rogan
Yeah, how about that?
They stretch their necks out to the point where if they take those things off, their head will fall off.
People are willing to do all kinds of crazy things to their body.
I'm not surprised they smoke penis blood.
alex jones
The Bible says, the Old Testament, New Testament, which is pretty powerful.
I know people misinterpret it, but it's ancient text.
The people are there.
Like, you read Ezekiel, like, three burning wheels land.
There's a blue firmament over its head.
It gives me something to take.
I take it and I'm given the full data of the plan that the genetics has been infested and God must destroy everyone.
joe rogan
Do you think that's an alien story?
alex jones
Oh, it's 100%.
joe rogan
That's what they always talk about.
They always talk about that being an alien story.
That's one of the primary stories when they talk about the Bible.
Ezekiel's vision.
A wheel within a wheel.
alex jones
But if you read it, it says floating off the ground in the Hebrew.
And the King James is pretty clear, too.
Floating comes a thing with a crystal firmament over its head.
And then the face is shifting different creatures.
It's like a video screen.
joe rogan
Well, if you think about how long it would take for an alien to get here, it really...
Only makes sense that unless they have a constant base...
alex jones
They sent a robot.
joe rogan
Or if they came by themselves, they came by themselves a long fucking time ago.
Like, if they were able to make interstellar travel like 3,000 years ago, which is not that big of a leap, if you think about us 3,000 years from now...
We probably can do something like that, right?
So if they were doing that 3,000 years ago, and they found human beings, and these are the stories that we have, these stories like Ezekiel, and like, there's a bunch of different ancient stories about contact with the skies.
You know, the ancient Hindu text.
alex jones
Take Revelation.
There's a world government.
The beast is 50 feet tall.
It shifts.
Everyone can see it at the same time.
It's a hologram.
And you've got these digital systems.
If you don't go along with it, you can't by yourself.
People say, oh, that's not real.
But it's manifesting.
joe rogan
It's manifesting.
Go 2,000 years in the future.
They have advanced technology.
They don't send people anymore.
Now they send aliens.
If you go back to the old days, it was actually some sort of humanoid or a large thing.
Like all the Zachariah Sitchin shit that covers the Sumerian text.
alex jones
Exactly.
That's what...
joe rogan
It makes sense.
alex jones
That's what all those guys are telling you.
Like Avatar, James Cameron's definitely dialed in.
It's like, no, they're jacking in.
joe rogan
Well, it makes sense that if there was a visitor to this planet...
5, 10, 15,000 years ago.
If there was.
Maybe more.
Maybe if there was a visitor hundreds of thousands of years ago that actually did genetic experiments on lower hominids.
If that was really the case.
It makes sense that their technology would increase far more rapidly.
alex jones
But let's go past that.
Obviously, scientists like to plant things.
Garters like to plant things.
Joe, that's exactly what the globalists believe.
joe rogan
Maybe they're just aware of what the fuck's going on.
They're as powerless as we are.
No, I agree.
alex jones
More and more, they only put soulless people in charge who are compartmentalized.
Nobody else knows who will carry this out.
But we're able, because we're advanced, to look at this.
Because let's just get down to brass tacks.
ralph northam
Tax.
joe rogan
I love tax.
alex jones
Joe, you just said it.
Instead of some weird, dumb preacher in Alabama, I'm bashing Alabama, saying stuff, you get mad at this.
Don't look at why it's so demonized.
Look at why it's demonized.
Think about that.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
Think about how it says.
That there's no reality and God creates a whole new virtual reality, gives light, does all of it.
And then his genetic experiment by rogue elements gets involved.
It's all right there.
And when you actually look at it and you expand on it and you're like, oh my God, this is like beyond a science fiction book.
And so it's the obvious thing.
That's why they keep telling us, oh, look, Piltdown, man, all this fake stuff.
No, Joe.
They did an accelerated, mutagenic.
They're doing to us now something new.
They did an accelerated immunogenic program on this planet and humanity.
What does the Bible start with?
It says we are made in the image of God.
What does that mean?
We don't have God's knowledge.
We don't have God's advancement.
We're the image.
Well, what is an image?
It's a scan.
It's numbers.
It's the genetics.
It's the potential.
So we are the aliens, Joe, and everybody already knows this.
We are the aliens.
joe rogan
Do you think that we are a product of alien intervention?
They took these lower hominids and they accelerated their evolution by applying their genetics?
alex jones
Do you think that?
Here's the deal.
They say we're 97% chimpanzee, but then they actually get into the deeper genetics.
We're closer to pigs or rats.
So I think that this was an environment built for us.
We're the master genetic program, and they're all subsets of us, just for a backstory.
And that's what the globalists think.
joe rogan
Yeah, but do you think that the aliens created us?
Like, this is like one of the primary...
alex jones
Here's what the elite believes.
The elves are biological androids, the greys.
And then there's other systems going on, and no one knows because it's all warfare, psychological stuff.
No one knows the truth because it's virtual reality once you get to that level.
So no one knows.
We just know we're advanced.
But we are, and I'm not just saying this to make everybody feel powerful.
The globalists are obsessed.
The elites are obsessed.
Because reportedly, obviously humans are pretty freaking cool.
We've got some big giant mission, and maybe that's a program, I don't know, that we're like pretty super advanced, but you can't put something out like the Spartans where when their kids were seven they'd throw them out for two years in the woods.
You can't just put something out like liberals.
You give everybody everything.
They're little assholes.
So this is like boot camp and training.
And so they have to test us and do all this.
And basically this planet is what the people say.
It's a big testing ground for other things that are going to come.
And we are it.
We are God.
And I don't mean I'm God.
I'm already God.
I've achieved Godhood.
Because you can see that potential in yourself, and the lower-level elves will tell you that, because they already know you're badass.
But if they can trick a tadpole that's going to grow into Godzilla to go kill itself, they're winning.
So the elves are a test.
The elves are a test on us to attack us and see the survival of the fittest.
But they're nothing.
They're like, by the time we achieve consciousness, we're going to look back and go, we're not going to be looking at that.
Because I think when you jump to the next level, there's an even bigger war going on.
joe rogan
What's the biggest war?
alex jones
Consciousness in the universe is an interdimensional spacecraft beyond that that looks like a comet from my research.
And it has its head, it has its corona.
joe rogan
That's consciousness?
alex jones
Consciousness.
It carries evil in the tail end.
joe rogan
So consciousness has a location?
alex jones
No, there is this giant consciousness that's got.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
Swimming in a giant system of...
Survival of the fittest that God has created to test God's self.
And it looks like a comet.
So you've got God's conscience and all the good things, the knowledge going forward, but God knows that everybody has to be tested.
So the tail goes out.
And at the end of the tail is basically evil.
That's why Christ says, get behind me, Satan.
And it's always trying to test God and infiltrate up into it to sabotage him.
joe rogan
Damn.
If they do pull the plug in this podcast, it's a good way to end this motherfucker.
alex jones
If your burnout want to finish it, that's fine.
unidentified
No, I'm not.
joe rogan
I'm just saying.
1,300 and something if the fucking governments come in.
alex jones
Show they love you.
eddie bravo
No, no, no.
You guys have been talking about aliens so much, dude.
Trust me, this is going to be one of the biggest YouTube videos of all time.
joe rogan
Is that the move?
To talk about aliens as much as possible?
eddie bravo
They love aliens.
alex jones
They love it.
eddie bravo
It's all over children's programming.
alex jones
They want BS alien stuff where they come out of space.
It's interdimensional, Eddie.
eddie bravo
Well, when you say aliens, it sounds like you're talking about the pradians.
That's what it sounds like you're talking about.
alex jones
The elite literally believe they're in contact with these things.
joe rogan
Well, maybe they are.
alex jones
Describe what you saw on DMT. You tell us.
joe rogan
You have these experiences where thoughts become patterns.
They become geometric patterns that are moving through space, and they change and shift, but they're letting you know that they know all your bullshit.
They see right through you.
alex jones
And they're saying thought is creation.
joe rogan
They want you to relax.
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
There's a lot of that.
There's a lot of thought is creation.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but the only...
alex jones
Oh, relax.
You see, don't struggle.
eddie bravo
I wouldn't call them aliens, though.
What I saw, I never...
I've never referred to them as aliens.
alex jones
But that's the term everyone knows.
Not of this world.
Not of our average thing.
joe rogan
Listen, I would think it was aliens if it woke me up in the middle of the night and took me aboard a ship and that's what I experienced.
I would be 100% convinced that I went to an alien spaceship and I talked to these things.
The difference is how it was...
To smoke it and then lay back and then experience that is like I expected that progression of events.
But if I woke up in the middle of the night, I was going to take a leak, and a light shone down through the bathroom and they sucked me through the window, took me aboard a spaceship, and I saw the exact same thing that I saw while I was high on DMT, I'd be 100% convinced that I was in contact with aliens.
The only difference is...
How I got there.
Like, I got there through a drug.
I got there through smoking something that's produced by the human brain that I knew was pretty safe.
No one's ever died of it.
I'm like, let's see what happens.
alex jones
But I go back to everyone I've talked to.
In mass groups, particularly ayahuasca, they have group events and see the same things and hear the same things.
Which is the psychic connection, but it's beyond that.
You could argue, well, one person's a psychic leader, they project it in everybody else's minds.
But who's projecting that into them?
So that's the only way it's out.
This is why the Pentagon...
joe rogan
It might not be someone projecting anything into your mind.
It might be your...
Newfound ability to perceive things that you could...
The way I look at it is like...
alex jones
No, I agree, but why are they all...
43 people in Costa Rica all seeing aliens?
joe rogan
This is a bad example, but it's not a bad one.
If you fart and you didn't have a nose, no one would know.
If we didn't have a sense of smell, if we didn't have a sense of smell, we could still get along in this life.
alex jones
No, I agree.
joe rogan
If there was a way to visually see if food was rotten...
alex jones
It's not an individual hallucination.
They're all seeing it.
joe rogan
But what I'm saying is it's entirely possible that there's multiple...
Dimensions or multiple things that we can't perceive, that we don't have the senses for, that are around us all the time.
alex jones
No, I agree.
Briefly, let me tell you what my deep research and basically vision is.
And vision just means things crystallize, epiphany.
To talk about 12 dimensions, 11 known, 12 meaning omnipresence, so we don't say it actually exists.
To say that is arrogant, so I won't say that.
But I have had dreams my whole life that come true.
And the weirdest thing, like a lady drops a thing of pickles at the store.
For five years I had the dream, and then one day I'm there and it's the woman in the pickles break.
Really?
joe rogan
When was this?
alex jones
Particularly when I was a kid.
It was more intense.
joe rogan
That is fucking crazy.
So for five years you had the same dream and then one day it happened?
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
Was it exactly how you dreamt it?
alex jones
Yes.
unidentified
Fuck!
alex jones
For about six months I had a dream of a guy in a purple and green striped shirt.
And I'm like, why am I walking?
Because it's not like normal dreams.
It's like you've been taken over and you always get vomit.
joe rogan
Lucid.
Like a lucid dream.
alex jones
Lucid dream.
And I'm walking around like, why am I behind a building?
And all of a sudden there's some dude in a purple and green striped shirt and he attacks me.
And six months later, it happens.
And I mean, it happens exactly.
joe rogan
So what do you think is going on?
I mean, all thoughts of yourself aside, just look at it objectively.
What do you think that is?
alex jones
You could say that it's human programming and basic programming in the brain.
joe rogan
Do you think you're tapping into a timeline that maybe you can't access all the time?
alex jones
Well, that's what I know it is.
joe rogan
One of the reasons why you can rant and rave and when you spew out information the way you do, which is very impressive, the way you can talk about things and get excited about things, you do the majority of your programs entirely by yourself.
You're doing something unusual.
Do you understand that?
alex jones
I'm not even doing it.
It's like a river's going by.
There's a turtle, there's a fish, there's a log.
That's why it's like random.
Like, what is this?
What is that exactly?
joe rogan
Right, but that's how you communicate.
That's like in the beginning of the thing we were talking about Sandy Hook.
I kept trying to slow you down.
I was like, I'm not following you down this river.
You just hit this one rock.
I want to talk about this rock.
I want to talk about the next rock.
But you just keep going.
The way you think about things is you're chaining one thing to the next thing to the next thing to the next thing.
And for people who are not thinking the way you're thinking, it can be exhausting.
Like, you're trying to follow what you're saying.
alex jones
Well, sure, it doesn't even mean I'm right about it all.
I'm only seeing, like, the code.
joe rogan
But I'm wondering, because of the fact you're telling me that you had these dreams, it came true exactly the way you dreamt them.
I know you're not full of shit.
You're not a liar.
I've known you for a long time.
If that really did happen to you, if this is your real-life experience, I want to know what the fuck that is.
Are you on the periphery?
Do you have your finger on a membrane that maybe other people can't totally touch?
Where occasionally, just occasionally, you get a little peek through and you get to see the other side, even if it's only once or twice in your life.
Who's to say that what you're experiencing by being able to see these things that manifest themselves realistically in the future, that this isn't what human beings will have five years from now or a hundred years from now?
alex jones
Well, sure, exactly.
We think of like a cell phone being magical.
joe rogan
We think we're all the same.
That's the thing.
We think we're all the same.
But we're not all the same.
We're not all the same in our ability to talk.
You can talk for a lot longer about a lot of different things than I do.
Eddie Bravo can talk about jiu-jitsu better than both of us.
And he's a musician.
You and I both suck at music, right?
So there's certain things that people can do that you can't do.
alex jones
Well, let me try to describe it.
And they'll use this against me.
But notice they don't touch it because it's their whole religion and they can't stand out talking about it.
By the time I was like three years old, I would have this dream that God has.
Because God knows everything.
It's just super intelligent, omnipresent, unlimited dimensions.
But God doesn't know where God came from.
So just like we're trying to find out where we came from, God is like a virtual reality simulation as well.
And God is constantly running every program, every operation, turning evil loose, good loose, everything.
So I would have these dreams.
But the earliest memories, like two, three years old, where I would fly out to the edge of infinity.
And it was a continual message.
Find out where we came from.
Find out where it is.
And it would just be this big, giant, spinning black vortex, like a black hole.
And then I would have to go into that, trying to figure out what was going on, and it was the same thing.
And so it's just incredible frustration.
So then growing up and dealing with things and questioning politics and questioning all these other areas, and then having dreams that come true exactly, and knowing what's going to happen before it happens, and then questioning it, and then it never being wrong.
Weird, crazy stuff, man.
Just so much stuff where it becomes like you can't even deal with it.
You dial it out.
And then you just reach that point where...
You don't even know what's real anymore because it's so crazy.
But then you see like the mathematics of the whole system and you know how it works.
It's not like you're some schizophrenic.
You talk about it, you deal with it, and it actually works.
Like now when you fight the system, you automatically know what to do.
Like, when you talk about something the president, word for word, repeats, I mean, Trump, this is what freaks him out.
Word for word, whole speeches, like, whole things.
And I'm not on a power trip.
That's what they flipped out about at the CIA and everywhere else.
And they're like, well, Jones is, like, connected to Trump, and I think Trump's like an idiot savant.
brendan schaub
What does that have to do with the speech?
unidentified
Explain that.
eddie bravo
Trump's speech.
I'm trying to follow you.
alex jones
I don't even know.
joe rogan
That's the thing.
It's hard to follow you sometimes.
unidentified
You were talking about Trump's speech abilities?
joe rogan
Well, even before that, he was talking about God.
alex jones
Okay, so God.
God knows everything except where God came from.
eddie bravo
That's a good sound bite right there.
joe rogan
Do you think that God is just like every other system that we see?
Like, think of this.
There's no...
God is the most advanced AI. There's no one bird that's running all the birds.
There's no one person that's running all the people.
It's all chaos.
Even if we elect someone, half the fucking people hate them.
Everybody's in chaos.
There's constant power struggle.
Do you think that God is decentralized?
Do you think that the idea of God is decentralized?
That maybe God is a real thing?
But God's not one person.
God is literally all the organisms.
God is not just free will.
God is consciousness.
It's all the organisms.
It's every fucking technological innovation.
alex jones
No, I think God is intelligence.
joe rogan
It's all the things.
alex jones
No, I agree with you.
And that's not some New Age thing.
New Age is a counterfeit, Joe.
joe rogan
I agree with you.
Is it counterfeit?
alex jones
No, I'm saying a counterfeit of what's real.
Oh.
Because they all say, oh, God is everything.
I mean, it's true.
God is experiencing consciousness through all of us.
joe rogan
You know, Mike, where I have a hard time saying that I know this, I could say God might be decentralized.
I could say God might just be just like every other organism on the planet.
It's just something that's moving in a certain direction, trying to protect itself and trying to procreate and trying to advance and trying to innovate and trying to be better than it was yesterday.
That's what everything is doing.
Every fucking animal that started out as a single-celled organism is trying to survive.
eddie bravo
Except they didn't create themselves.
joe rogan
Well, it's not necessarily that it didn't create itself, but something created it slowly but surely.
alex jones
Well, let's say this.
joe rogan
Through the process of evolution and mutation.
alex jones
This is the...
We keep going.
I want to keep going for hours.
We should do an epic podcast, but the point is, we should not give up.
joe rogan
Let's don't give up.
alex jones
The point is, there is a pro-human future and a pro-free will future, and the globalists are an anti-human, anti-free will future.
So all I know is to swim towards the light.
joe rogan
This is a good point.
alex jones
And so I'm for a pro-human future.
joe rogan
This is a point, and this is one of the reasons why I wanted to discuss this with you, and this is one of the things that I talked about with Tim Pool recently, and one of the things that when we have a revised podcast, which is coming up very soon with Jack from Twitter, We all need to talk about open communication.
It's very bad for all people involved to shut people down from communicating as long as they're not doing anything to actively try to harm somebody.
alex jones
Well, Kennedy said, those that make people peaceful...
People that make peaceful action illegal and make violence inevitable.
joe rogan
Yes, but you might have paraphrased it, but that's a perfect quote.
People don't like being left on the outside, and that's what I came...
One of the things about you and I having this conversation, and we had our blow-up, is coming to understand that you felt like you were left on the outside.
And me, as a person who was constantly busy and wasn't paying attention to that...
It was selfish of me to not pay attention to how you must have felt to be stuck on the outside.
alex jones
Well, I just felt judged.
joe rogan
Regardless of what you wish you didn't do or didn't do...
What I like about you is what we saw today.
I mean, one of the best things about this podcast to me is I got to show people what I really love about Alex Jones.
You're fucking fun.
This is hilarious, and you say a lot of shit that turns out to be real, and turns out to be of real concern, and you make some really good points about all the shit that has happened in the past.
But Joe, I hear you.
alex jones
I don't want to be right about them killing babies after they're born.
joe rogan
I know you don't want to be right about it.
alex jones
I don't want to be right about it.
joe rogan
You don't have to be.
It doesn't matter whether you want to be right about it.
alex jones
We're going more longer.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
alex jones
What's your longest podcast?
We're going.
joe rogan
No, don't do that.
That was like six hours or something.
alex jones
Well, who was your longest year?
joe rogan
I think Kevin Smith was the longest.
He was like five and a half.
eddie bravo
Fuck that dude.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a great guy.
alex jones
I'm kidding.
eddie bravo
I'm just kidding.
joe rogan
I love him.
Okay, 30 more minutes.
alex jones
I see you're going to give up.
You're going to be psyched, though.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm fine, man.
unidentified
Look, here's the thing.
alex jones
I'm going to be honest with you.
I'm kind of retarded.
In that...
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
That's going to be a sound bite.
They're going to put that to mariachi music.
alex jones
No.
joe rogan
I might have to use it.
You're a must-flamethrower to light the next joint.
alex jones
I'll take a pill of tobacco.
No, seriously.
When it comes to regular...
joe rogan
I have some regular tobacco with no marijuana at all.
Would you like some?
alex jones
Yes.
joe rogan
Okay, there you go.
eddie bravo
No lead for Alex Jones.
alex jones
But my gut's never wrong.
eddie bravo
It'll fuck up the show.
alex jones
I want to get into all your points.
eddie bravo
What points?
I got points?
alex jones
100%?
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
eddie bravo
I ain't got no points.
joe rogan
Eddie's got some great points.
eddie bravo
No.
alex jones
No, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, you are the ambassador of the Flat Earth Society.
joe rogan
No, he's not.
Eddie barely, listen, Eddie doesn't believe more than he believes.
Listen, I'm not putting him down.
But if Flat Earth became a universal truth, he would fucking start believing the Earth is round.
eddie bravo
No.
Flat Earth Society is controlled opposition.
Nobody that's in Flat Earth.
alex jones
Okay, listen.
I know there's a lot of bullshit.
eddie bravo
Flat Earth Society is not real.
alex jones
I respect you.
I do.
I love you.
The point is that I'm asking you a real question here.
Okay.
It'd be the biggest documentary in history.
It only costs like a million dollars.
eddie bravo
Okay, let's do it.
alex jones
To get a 50,000 ton big ship and to have it circumnavigate the planet.
And you will be there with GPS. No, no, no.
eddie bravo
I'm not going to be there.
Fuck no.
We're going to get someone to represent me there.
Okay?
All right, Jerome.
Let's announce it.
alex jones
We're launching...
eddie bravo
I'm not doing it.
alex jones
No, no, no, no.
We're launching the Discovery of Flat Earth Project.
joe rogan
Well, that Rocket Man dude's already shooting himself into space.
eddie bravo
It's really easy.
You know how you prove to Earth that we really live on a ball?
joe rogan
How?
eddie bravo
When they supposedly make those missions to the ISS when they shoot up, just have one of the astronauts that's going to go to the ISS just have a GoPro camera on his helmet and just go uncut.
No cuts.
No cuts from the time you get in on that ship.
To the time you dock.
And I want you to document all the docking.
alex jones
There's nothing like that.
And friggin' technology.
eddie bravo
Who said anything about cell phones?
I got one.
My cell phone is awesome.
joe rogan
What is that?
Eddie, let's not be combative here.
unidentified
We're not being combative.
eddie bravo
This is how we talk.
joe rogan
I know, but you're talking over each other.
If that did happen, would you...
You want some more of this tobacco, Alex Jones?
eddie bravo
Dude, if that happened...
This isn't the first time I'm saying this.
I've been saying, if that happened...
joe rogan
But if that happened, you let it go.
eddie bravo
Yeah, they don't There's no footage of the construction of the International Space Station.
There's no footage.
alex jones
It just appeared.
eddie bravo
There's no footage of the construction of the International Space Station.
joe rogan
Are you sure about that?
eddie bravo
100%.
There's no footage of the construction.
They would have filmed that shit.
alex jones
I've known people that worked on the space station.
I've known astronauts.
They're real people, man.
They were there.
eddie bravo
No, they are real people.
I didn't say they weren't real people.
joe rogan
So you don't think it's really constructed or you would like to see the footage first?
eddie bravo
Listen, listen.
If, you know, there's a...
There's a debate.
Let me finish, too.
Let me just...
There's a debate out there.
Whether you believe we went to the moon or not, everyone needs to acknowledge it.
There's a debate.
There's people that believe...
alex jones
Hold on.
eddie bravo
Hold on.
There's people that believe we went to the moon, and there's people that believe that we faked it.
You have to understand both reasons.
alex jones
Listen, listen.
eddie bravo
Exactly.
Exactly.
So, when you talk about the people that don't believe we went to the moon, when they also say, They're faking other space shit, too.
You have to kind of understand where they're coming from.
That's six moon missions that they believe, whether we win or not.
Maybe we win, maybe we didn't.
I don't know.
But there's people that don't believe it.
So when they...
You should understand it.
They have no trust for any of that issue.
alex jones
I love you.
eddie bravo
How many times you got a fake going to the moon before you go, okay, before that bullshit meter just fucking explodes?
alex jones
No, I agree.
eddie bravo
Listen, it explodes!
alex jones
I was really mad about Sandy Hook, which I think happened.
I have a right to question about one.
I was watching Minions 3 or 4 where they go to the U.S. and they run through the Minions, you know, run through Hollywood and they're staging the moon landing.
People have a right to do that.
The truth is, nobody wants to send people up because a bunch of them die.
A bunch of test pilots die.
We fly on jumbo jets around the country.
Our cell phones work.
joe rogan
Do you think we definitely went to the moon?
alex jones
Absolutely.
joe rogan
100%?
alex jones
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Bet your life on it?
alex jones
Bet my life on it.
But the difference is that they say I say it didn't happen.
Who says that?
Alex Jones denies moon landing.
joe rogan
I've denied it a bunch of times.
alex jones
They say Alex Jones says that there are human slaves on Mars.
Never said it.
But all I'm saying is I know the real NASA people.
eddie bravo
And Warren Von Braun, the guy who directed all six moon missions, was a Nazi, correct?
joe rogan
Yes.
eddie bravo
He hung out with Walt Disney, correct?
alex jones
Yeah?
eddie bravo
Yeah, who in the 50s just made up space.
No one ever went to space.
alex jones
How is space?
What?
eddie bravo
Walt Disney had space.
alex jones
Eddie, I was on the phone with you for 45 minutes this morning.
I told you I have a 12-inch telescope.
12-inch diameter opening aperture.
eddie bravo
Yes, we talked about this.
alex jones
I have looked at the freaking moons.
They're taking 35-millimeter photos.
Yeah, it's there.
eddie bravo
It's there.
All the shit you see when you look up, it's there.
You get a telescope, you get closer to it.
joe rogan
We're not going to have a space is fake conversation.
alex jones
You told me the fucking lights are fake.
joe rogan
I can't do this.
eddie bravo
I didn't say the lights are fake.
alex jones
Well, what are they?
eddie bravo
I don't know.
unidentified
Well...
eddie bravo
I don't know what they are.
joe rogan
The way I describe this is the same way I talk about jiu-jitsu.
You should never talk about how effective martial arts are to someone who hasn't trained at all.
unidentified
You can prove jiu-jitsu.
eddie bravo
You can't prove that shit.
joe rogan
You can't prove all those things.
eddie bravo
You can't prove all of a sudden it's 93 million miles away.
alex jones
There's no proof for that.
eddie bravo
It's scientism.
You've got to believe it.
alex jones
Are we even real people that have souls and free will?
Because you can say, maybe we don't even exist.
You don't exist.
Joe doesn't exist.
And nobody exists!
eddie bravo
So because...
joe rogan
Eddie, we can't have a spaces fake talk.
My fucking head will break.
alex jones
No, I agree.
Let's not do it.
eddie bravo
No, but the only...
My point of all that was, I don't want to have a space discussion either, but my point is that if there's people out there that believe we faked...
Going to the moon six times.
You have to understand their skepticism.
alex jones
You have to understand that.
joe rogan
This is what we actually talked about before when he was talking about the reason why he questions anything.
It's because he's seen so many different things that turned out to be bullshit.
That's exactly what Alex was saying earlier.
And he was actually saying that sometimes you can get fucking crazy with it.
You think that everything's fake.
And you call bullshit on things that really aren't bullshit.
alex jones
But human exploration is real.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
We can do some stuff.
eddie bravo
Like what?
alex jones
What the fuck we've done, man?
eddie bravo
Like what?
Like fight wars and shit?
Like what?
alex jones
Like electricity?
eddie bravo
That's awesome.
Tesla, right?
alex jones
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Where's Tesla at now?
joe rogan
How about all the technology that you enjoy to make your life run correctly?
eddie bravo
Totally.
I love it.
joe rogan
This is all from science.
eddie bravo
Of course.
Of course.
joe rogan
It's the same science that allows people to understand the distance between Earth and Mars.
eddie bravo
But that kind of stuff, then you get into...
Yes, it's still science, but you have to believe it.
alex jones
By the way, I'm not trying to make points because, Eddie, you've taught me a lot and you're a really smart guy, an entrepreneur and a badass.
So I think it's healthy to be where you're at, questioning everything, versus buying everything.
All I'm telling you is...
Is the stuff we have now, a hundred years ago, would be considered magic.
And we humans can go way beyond that.
eddie bravo
Yes, I agree with that.
Fucking iPhones, are you kidding me?
alex jones
Dude, I know people that I was there when they were dying at the hospital.
And I'm like, they were like taught NASA scientists on the main line, in the videos, running NASA. And I'm like, were we there?
Yes, I ran the RCA cameras.
We faked the photos because the radiation belt hit it.
They dolled them up, but we wouldn't have done that.
I freaking know what happened.
joe rogan
That makes way more sense to me.
And it's one of the things that Jamie and I have actually discussed when we talked about the Gemini 15 photo.
The famous photo of Michael Collins that turns out to be just a reverse of a photo of him on a training mission where he's in a harness and the whole thing.
Yeah, they wanted PR! They used PR. That's what I said.
Overzealous PR agents.
alex jones
I didn't go to two.
I went to three.
Deathbeds of NASA engineers.
One of them was Raymond T. They allowed me to talk about this.
Raymond was there running this freaking...
He ran the lasers on the moon.
He ran the deals.
He said what was weird is they had another group of ships.
joe rogan
Raymond told me how to say this.
alex jones
I just shouldn't do it.
joe rogan
Another group of ships?
alex jones
Well, they had another group of ships, but basically he wouldn't say it.
This is not drama.
I was going to meet with him.
I met with him at the former NORAD command base that's the Hilton outside Austin.
And he wouldn't tell me.
And like a week later, his heart blew.
But he was ready to tell me, he said, no, it's real, but there's more advanced.
And he had like presidential letters in his house.
You look at him, he's like the main guy, like running the cameras, like number three in NASA, like for engineers.
He was in Vietnam, ran black ops in Cambodia.
And he said, well, we lost a lot of people, but those were clandestine operations.
I wasn't part of them.
It's all compartmentalized.
But he said, you're right that there were a bunch of missions beforehand.
Because the U.S. was willing to kill 50 people to do that.
joe rogan
Just to see if they can get someone there.
alex jones
So no one else will do it.
joe rogan
You know what would be the most tragic thing?
alex jones
Because people think the U.S. is that great, Joe.
No, we were willing to.
We had men that were ready to die.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
Over and over again for the one time it worked.
And that's what pisses me off.
joe rogan
Well, Gus Grisham and the original...
alex jones
Blew up on the Wi-Fi.
joe rogan
Yeah, they blew up on the launch pad.
You know, it would be incredibly tragic as if they actually did go to the moon, but they faked the footage because of the radiation.
So they released this bullshit footage and nobody ever believed.
But do you know how horrific that would be if you were a guy like Neil Armstrong and you knew that the footage was bullshit, but you actually had gone to the moon?
And you're like, fuck.
And this whole thing was like, people were starting to go, why are these, why does it look like they're on wires?
Why does it look like they're on trampolines?
alex jones
Yeah, by the way, they all got radiated.
Because it's true, like he says, going through that, it's like a thousand chest X-rays or something.
You know, even flying at noon, you know, it's like ten chest X-rays, right?
Yeah, flying is terrible for you.
joe rogan
I thought it was only one.
alex jones
Notice how, no, it's more.
Notice how the international flights are all now at night?
joe rogan
Why is that?
alex jones
Because there's freaking no radiation.
Dude.
eddie bravo
Because you go to sleep, it's a red eye.
alex jones
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Solar radiation.
alex jones
From 35,000 feet to sea level.
On average, it's 10 feet of water and about 6 inches of stone.
There's dirt.
Why is the sun so big on the...
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
Explain that again.
What are you saying?
alex jones
Imagine the atmosphere as a lens.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
So why do you think the sun or the moon looks so much bigger on the horizon?
joe rogan
Why is that?
alex jones
You ever thought about that?
eddie bravo
Refraction.
joe rogan
I always thought it was just in comparison to the Earth.
unidentified
No, no, no.
alex jones
It's bigger than that.
Why is it red?
joe rogan
Why is it red?
The atmosphere?
alex jones
You're looking through all that dust.
It's going through more air.
Yeah, you're looking through 1,000 miles instead of 20 miles.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
So the moon gets smaller.
It turns totally white as it goes up.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
So, this is like astronomy.
joe rogan
No, I see what you're saying, because you're looking at it on the plane.
Yeah, so let me bring that up.
alex jones
I forget.
joe rogan
We were talking about...
eddie bravo
Flights.
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Radiation.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
So, here's the deal.
Whatever it is, you get a bunch of chest x-rays when you fly during the day.
joe rogan
Because of the sun.
Solar radiation.
alex jones
Because you're above...
Like everybody knows, you're in the mountains, you get a worse sunburn.
joe rogan
Why is that?
Less oxygen.
alex jones
Less dropping the UV. So when you're at 35,000 feet, that's above the Himalayas.
You are up there and there's on average 35,000 feet.
This is a NASA statistic, so probably not true.
10 feet of water and 6 inches of stone.
Because if you condensed 35,000 feet of dust, the filter.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
alex jones
Why wouldn't you hit a filter on your iPhone as it turned another color?
Put a filter over it.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
So think about the atmosphere.
When you're looking straight up, the moon's fucking white.
Looking at this angle, it's yellow.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
It's big and orange.
Like, damn, that's big!
It's not just where it's coming up.
That's part of it.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
It's that it's bubbled.
It's deformed.
It's like looking through a pair of glasses on the edge.
joe rogan
So you're looking through all that atmosphere.
You're looking through pollution.
You're looking through dirt.
Everything.
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
My dad told me all that.
joe rogan
That's fucking amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
So that's why moons are red.
They're red when they rise.
They're white when they go to the top.
joe rogan
That's all the shit we're looking at it through.
Yeah, we've got a weird situation, huh?
A big-ass, one-quarter-sized planet just floating.
Just floating above us.
We stare at it.
Well, it's a full moon tonight.
That is fucking weird.
There's a planet that's right there.
alex jones
I fell asleep at like 10 o'clock last night and missed your call.
And I woke up at like 3.30 and I had to get up and I looked out and it looked fake.
joe rogan
It was so beautiful.
alex jones
It was a half moon and I was looking out the hotel like a 500 yards from there and I'm looking at how beautiful that is.
It's just like, hey, it's okay to say it's made out of cheese.
It probably isn't.
joe rogan
Did you ever see that movie Dark City?
unidentified
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Great fucking movie.
Kiefer Sutherland?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Fucking great movie.
That's a good movie.
eddie bravo
That's like a Twilight Zone.
joe rogan
That's like a Twilight Zone.
It's a classic.
I'll watch that motherfucker again.
But it makes me feel sometimes like reality.
Like, that movie was so strange because it was like this weird, scripted reality that these people were like, they'd have to find their way through the surface and shit.
alex jones
Joe, your family's real.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
Your consciousness is real.
joe rogan
No, no, no, I'm not saying that.
alex jones
No, no, I know you know that.
No, no, I agree.
It's all virtual.
joe rogan
I'm just saying it's fascinating sometimes to think about that movie.
alex jones
I'm saying you're right.
It is virtual.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
But you're real.
joe rogan
Yes, you're real too.
alex jones
You've been put, all of us have been put into a simulation to basically test us.
And that's the big thing I'm trying to get across to people.
joe rogan
Damn, Alex Jones.
Let's wrap this motherfucker up.
Let's eat, man.
alex jones
Alright, so let me ask this question.
joe rogan
Okay, go ahead.
alex jones
You can helicopter in at South Africa or wherever I can.
Can you imagine the film searching Flat Earth?
eddie bravo
Let's do it!
But I'm sending a representative.
joe rogan
Let's do it.
No, no, no.
Eddie, you should be on the show.
eddie bravo
I'm not going.
joe rogan
Who would you send as a representative?
Do you have a guy?
eddie bravo
I'll have a contest.
joe rogan
Do you really believe him?
That's a good move.
Have a contest.
eddie bravo
And then we'll just have a cameraman on the whole time.
We'll have a cameraman.
Do you pay for the cameraman's flight?
alex jones
Eddie, GPS is hundreds of these satellites.
eddie bravo
Sammy can film.
alex jones
64. How many satellites are the GPS? So there's this whole GPS, and you can, like, leave L.A., On a ship, and you can go all the way over to Japan and see everybody, and go down around India and around Africa, and you can go land in New York.
eddie bravo
You can do it if it's a flat plane.
That's like, you're just not thinking right.
You can go anywhere you want.
If it's flat, you just go anywhere you want.
People think like, how could you travel around?
How could you circumnavigate?
joe rogan
Listen, we can't talk.
alex jones
You told me this morning.
Joe, let's get off this.
You told me this morning.
eddie bravo
Not this morning.
Yesterday.
Or this morning.
alex jones
You said basically that there was no way to prove any of this.
eddie bravo
Prove any of what?
What are you talking about?
This.
What's this?
joe rogan
Reality.
alex jones
Space?
You're saying...
joe rogan
Trees?
eddie bravo
You're generalizing.
alex jones
No, I'm not mad at you questioning.
I think it's great.
I'm not saying go to jail or be sued for questioning.
eddie bravo
You just said that I said something and I don't even know what you mean.
joe rogan
What do you think this whole space...
alex jones
Problems, I got Alzheimer's out here.
joe rogan
What do you think all this shit with people thinking the Earth is flat or people thinking space is fake?
What do you think that's coming from?
alex jones
I'll tell you.
In my view, we'll get Eddie's view in your view.
eddie bravo
Oh, my God.
We're going to have to sit through this.
unidentified
Hold on.
Let me hear you.
alex jones
You've got a spectrum.
So you've got people that don't even know if they're human or if life exists.
It's just all a hallucination because they've been lied to so much for so long.
They don't know it's true.
And then over here, you've got people that just believe whatever they see on CNN. And me, I'm just trying to look at everything going, well, they've lied a lot, but sometimes it's not that.
A lot of times it's incompetence.
What's real?
And so I don't blame it.
Eddie, that's like way over here.
Or other people that are like way over here because they're trying to find some solace and believe there's order in the universe.
The truth is there's not order in the universe.
There's people trying to bring order to the universe and that's why they stage events so they can try to bring order within that event.
That's all I'm trying to say.
eddie bravo
What event are you talking about?
alex jones
No, Northwoods or Gulf of Tonkin or whatever the thing is or taking a real event and making it big.
But it's not bad to question that.
And so how do we get convinced to say, well, You know, I ask questions, and I need to be shut down.
As long as I'm legitimately asking questions, and who's going to judge that?
I have that right.
So that's where we're all going.
Just, what does the system want to get rid of?
Free speech, right to self-defense, the family.
Defend those things, and ask yourselves, what are we about to discover?
eddie bravo
Hey, fucking man, I believe in that.
You can say that shit again.
unidentified
What was it?
eddie bravo
Right to bear arms, free speech, and what was the third one?
joe rogan
Family.
eddie bravo
Family?
Sneezing.
alex jones
Sneezing.
Joe, let me ask you a question.
unidentified
What were the big three?
eddie bravo
Say that again.
alex jones
I think mystery is what's key.
I think mystery is what's key.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
alex jones
Now you get why.
I appreciate you having me on, guys.
I don't want to be like, my life is not Sandy Hook.
I'm sad they're kids.
joe rogan
Tell me what you were telling me earlier, that you were actually, even before all this happened, you were planning your exit strategy.
You get weary of this.
alex jones
Yeah, and it's not like I'm afraid of the fight, but I'm 45, and I've had a long, adventurous life, so I'm probably like 60. And I was already, like, I wasn't sure about Trump or whatever.
I had this really bad feeling when he got elected, not that he was bad, just like, oh, the war's about to start.
And then I was already planning to kind of face things out, just because I don't, like, doubt when I'm 55 of a heart attack.
And the fact that they attack me so much makes me have to battle and fight and never give up.
And so, it's not like they even wore me down before they ever, they kept me in the game.
I want to explain it.
They kept me in the game, attacking me and lying about me.
Because now I'm, well, I've now become what I was worried about.
Now I dream about this stuff.
joe rogan
That was what you were worried about initially?
alex jones
Yeah, because I realized about four or five years ago.
joe rogan
It's obsessive?
alex jones
That I was already totally obsessed.
joe rogan
You were telling me that it fucks with your head.
The certain amount of it, after a while, it just fucks with your head.
alex jones
Yeah, the negativity.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
And I like to have dreams.
I have dreams that are like 20 years long, like you talk about DMT, where I'm a farmer and it's like 500 years ago and I'm just like planning things and eating food and putting my kids to sleep and cutting trees down and walking around.
I have dreams where I'm just like normal and just being a normal person.
And so I never, I didn't like, the globalists think like they have all these shows, Homeland, all these shows around this big demon.
I didn't like calculate what I was going to do.
And then I was already not ready to give up.
I was ready to move on and innovate.
And now, it's almost like it's God doing it.
God's like, no, no, it's not that easy.
You're going to be pinned against the wall by your enemies and you're going to fight to the death.
And I don't believe God's a sadist, but I realize it's God's plan.
I'm not going to be turned loose.
I wasn't just going to do a couple tours in this fight and be turned loose.
And so it's been freeing to realize that this is all big stage and God wants to see some people dance.
But I tell you, the globalists think they're like running me out or they think they've got me.
It's the difference.
It's the opposite.
Now they've turned me into this maniac.
joe rogan
Well, there's definitely some sort of a struggle going on right now.
And it seems to be like a universal struggle for figuring out what people are and how we should behave and who gets to decide that.
And there's certain universal truths that are ignored and there's certain ones that are overemphasized and there's certain ones that are in the Goldilocks spot.
And we're working it out.
I think that's part of what's going on with human beings.
But what we have to be really, really careful of...
Is that by silencing some people and never giving them any path to retribution, we create eternal enemies.
And this is what easily could be happening right now.
When someone doesn't have...
alex jones
Because an evil force wants conflict, and what you say is totally...
joe rogan
I don't even know if it's an evil force, but it's a...
alex jones
Archetypal force.
joe rogan
They're listening to all those around them, and there's a hive mind sort of thinking to a lot of this.
There's not a lot of debate about...
alex jones
By the way, let's just say this, Joe, and to Tenth Plan and everybody else.
You didn't give in to the pressuring of the threat.
It was more of the nagging, like a siren, like a bitching woman, not against women.
But I mean, I get it.
That's why I am.
And so that's why you didn't have me on.
But then you realize I was just a symbol of you just trying to live the life and put out good ideas and talk to people.
But folks are going to make you choose a side.
And that's what's happening in this quickening is I don't want to choose a side.
joe rogan
That's why Ryan Seacrest has got it nailed.
Nobody's coming to Ryan Seacrest for political advice.
He's got it nailed.
He hosts a bunch of shows.
He's a real nice guy.
He's got a great smile.
alex jones
He's figured it out.
joe rogan
He's sticking that sweet spot, man.
eddie bravo
He's probably looking at you going, dummy.
unidentified
Look at that guy.
eddie bravo
We're not talking about anything and everything.
unidentified
Keep your opinions to yourself.
eddie bravo
Oh my God.
He's just leaving himself wide open.
alex jones
Entropy is stagnant water.
Oh, it's still...
Nothing's going on.
It's all clear.
It's dead and rotting.
What's a live ocean?
Big crashing waves.
Seriously, I've seen beyond.
Everybody has, but I've seen way beyond.
Guys, you want to be in the conflict.
You want to be in the fight.
You want...
You're not successful, Joe, because you played along with the system.
You're successful because you did it organically and real.
Doesn't mean it's perfect.
Doesn't mean it's bad.
It was real.
That's why you're a success.
And then they come in and you think, oh, I'm not saying you're bad.
I'm the same way.
Oh, all these people are telling me how great I am.
I play ball with them because I've got this thing.
But they want you because they're soulless.
And so all I'm saying is you've made the right decision.
And I'm not just saying having me on because I'm not perfect, is deciding, no, America's still America, the world's still the world, we're allowed to talk about real things and hear real things because they want to shut other voices down so they can lie about those voices.
And any idea that fears exposure or fears debate is a failed idea.
joe rogan
Well, you know, I have a unique perspective.
My perspective is less and less inclined to pursue it in the idea that it's a fight.
And more to be able to pursue reason.
And to have everybody communicate with each other.
Because I think part of what the fuck is wrong with all of us today is that people are so willing to take sides and so willing to join teams and so willing to fight about shit that they really don't have to fight about.
alex jones
I wanted to say this, I'm going to say it because this is so powerful.
I don't dislike Donald Trump.
And I think he's done some good things on trying to do peace and trying to get jobs back to America.
But I hate Donald Trump.
Because I got behind him because I knew Hillary was bad.
And then he became my identity.
He's not a bad guy.
But the truth is, I hate him more than Hillary Clinton.
Because he's who I am now.
And whatever he does is who I am.
joe rogan
I'm not with Donald Trump.
alex jones
I'm with America and freedom and everything else.
And I'm not throwing him under the bus to get George Soros on my back.
Though they're already after me for the reasons I'm not with them.
I'm not against even Trump.
But I get in a fight like this that's so dumbed down.
That then, no matter what I do, they take my radicalness, my weirdness to hurt Trump.
But then all it does is radioactively attack me.
I don't know how to describe it, but it's like Trump is breaking my legs every day.
And it's not like I'm not willing to go through the pain, except a lot of what he says I don't agree with, and he's not my identity.
Sandy Hook's not my identity.
joe rogan
Donald Trump's not my identity.
You're talking from your own personal perspective, and I appreciate that.
I don't know how many people actually think that he's your identity.
But I think that what we're getting at that's important is that we don't have to fight.
alex jones
No, when they're shooting at me, they're going at Trump.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
I'm sure there's a lot of that.
alex jones
And I don't mind the shooting yet, Joe.
It's that I'm not Donald Trump.
joe rogan
I understand that from you, but what I'm talking about is just the human race in general.
If we could just do one thing, be reasonable.
Just be reasonable.
And understand that emotions cloud judgment and that when people start screaming and yelling at each other and you take one side and you're the left and this guy takes another side and he's the right and you're going back and forth.
alex jones
He falls to mindlessness.
joe rogan
It's nonsense.
And you don't ever get anything solved and you never get to understand how that other person thinks and feels.
And we're constantly trying to mock people.
And what you were talking about, about the Bill Maher thing, about him cracking a joke, and I dismissed it as a joke because it was a joke.
We were talking about how the red states wish they were the blue states and all that shit.
That's exactly the type of thing we're talking about, though.
That us versus them.
That me versus...
Like, you're generalizing for entire swaths of the country as if they're one united.
alex jones
Yeah, I feel bad every time I say California's lost.
This is a beautiful state and a lot of great people.
joe rogan
There's just a lot of people here.
A lot of them are fucking lost.
That's a fact.
Who knows how many...
There's like 30-something million people.
alex jones
38 million?
joe rogan
It's crazy.
That's a giant country.
alex jones
Where's the population of California?
joe rogan
It's fucking giant.
That's too many people.
There's no way you can say Californians do this.
There's fucking Californians that are ranchers.
brendan schaub
Can't we fit the whole population of the world in Texas, though?
eddie bravo
So when you look at...
alex jones
Isn't that true?
We are overpopulated in some ways, though, with our technology.
But let me just make this point.
We've got to end this.
joe rogan
I've got to pee so bad.
alex jones
Well, go pee-pee and come back.
We'll finish in five more minutes because I want to get into the pee-pee.
joe rogan
Talk to Eddie.
Talk some sense to him.
alex jones
I've got to piss too.
eddie bravo
Here we go.
Tell me about Buzz Aldrin.
Tell me about your boy, Buzz Aldrin.
alex jones
You know, I'll tell you about Buzz Aldrin.
He told me.
eddie bravo
Oh, Jesus Christ.
alex jones
I've got to piss too.
eddie bravo
I know.
Where are you going, man?
Okay, it's going to be Browns.
ClevelandBrowns.com.
alex jones
I'm here live.
jamie vernon
I can't both leave.
eddie bravo
Jamie.
jamie vernon
Eddie, how are you doing?
eddie bravo
I'm doing good.
So, what do you think about the wide receiver of the Browns?
jamie vernon
I don't think we can turn the talk to Browns talk right now.
eddie bravo
No?
jamie vernon
Unfortunately.
eddie bravo
Okay.
brendan schaub
Is there any conspiracy theory that you kind of are suspicious of?
eddie bravo
There's got to be at least one.
jamie vernon
Yeah, definitely.
eddie bravo
Which one?
Like 9-11.
Are you familiar with Tower 7?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I would say from almost every story, even the stuff we've talked about before in the past, I don't believe the official in quotes.
eddie bravo
So you know that Tower 7 was the third tower that went down.
You're aware of that, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I look more, when that comes up, all of the surrounding information about...
What was in the buildings?
Not the actual event.
I know the event happened.
I'm not so curious about that.
eddie bravo
But did you see the video of Tower 7 just going...
Yeah, I'm sure.
That's got to be a little suspicious.
A red flag got to come up.
At least, right?
If you're really trying to get to the truth, you're like, wait a minute.
jamie vernon
I would say it's more suspicious that a third building fell that wasn't...
eddie bravo
It wasn't even hit.
Exactly.
That's what the whole story is with Tower 7. And not only was it not touched by...
A plane.
It went down at free-fall speed and it's caught on video at five different angles, right?
There's five different angles.
No one's saying that it's fake footage.
That's Tower 7, a 47-story skyscraper fucking falling at free-fall speed.
Some people are saying it got hit with a direct energy weapon.
Some people are saying that it was brought down like a...
brendan schaub
A control demo, like in Vegas, like one of those buildings.
eddie bravo
But regardless of how it was brought down, you've got to look at that video footage and go, wait a minute.
alex jones
And why is YouTube taking down Building 7 footage?
eddie bravo
Yeah.
alex jones
And Flat Earth footage.
unidentified
Why are they going out to Flat Earth?
alex jones
I was on syndicated radio on like 50 stations in 2001. And I'm sitting there.
That's actually, I was on 120 stations.
I lost like 70% of them for saying it was an inside job.
I didn't mean the firemen blew it up.
I'm watching Fox News, CNN at my studio.
And then I go get a pizza at 4 o'clock with CBS Radio back then.
And they go, Solomon Brothers, Building 7 is going to be brought down to controlled demolition to save other buildings.
So I go back on air and announce Building 7 is being brought down to save other buildings.
And for like five years, everyone goes, I'm crazy.
Then CNN and all of them archive it on the internet.
And everyone's watching Building 7 going, BBC, ABC. Let me ask you, what do you think happened with Tower 7?
CNN, ABC, and CBS told me the government blew it up.
joe rogan
The government blew it up.
alex jones
I mean, you can play the clips.
They go, the cops are like, get back, we're blowing it up.
And the media goes, oh, you mean the cops blew it up?
No, the cops are told, get back on the countdown.
unidentified
I've interviewed the cops like, 10, 9, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3. Explain it to me.
joe rogan
Do you think that they had detonations set up already in the building?
alex jones
See, that's where this goes next, Joe.
Which I used to always try to follow down what it means.
I don't know.
I've learned to go, hey, I've got five different newscasts, when it happened and before, saying they blew it up.
I don't know what happened.
joe rogan
Is it possible that it collapsed because of those gigantic diesel fires?
alex jones
That was Tower 1 and 2. 7's its own building.
joe rogan
7 had diesel tanks in the basement and they caught fire.
They said it was an inferno.
And they said it cooked through the internal...
alex jones
So see how he knows all this?
joe rogan
Hold on a second.
But I want to ask you.
This is because I don't know.
alex jones
Oh yeah, right.
joe rogan
But they said that what happened was this is whoever the fuck explained it that was making these YouTube videos.
That the fire had burnt through the internal structure of the building at such a high temperature that all of these floors collapsed.
They pancaked.
And then it came down.
alex jones
But it never happened before or since.
joe rogan
Right.
Never has happened before or since.
That's a fact.
Joe, here's the thing about this.
alex jones
The Alex Jones 18 years ago would argue every point and say I knew what happened.
joe rogan
Okay.
alex jones
The Alex Jones of 2019 is honest.
joe rogan
Well, I'm glad you evolved.
alex jones
And I'm going to say...
I've seen them say they blew it up and nobody can describe it.
I don't know, Joe, what happened?
joe rogan
Right.
Well, when you look at it, the way it falls, it falls exactly like a controlled demolition.
Exactly.
alex jones
So...
joe rogan
It falls from the top down, but if you actually watch...
alex jones
At free fall speed.
joe rogan
Right, but if you watch the full video...
The center of it collapses.
There's a full video where you're looking at the top of the building and the center of it collapses far before the outside does.
eddie bravo
That's how they take out the elevator shafts first.
alex jones
They take out the central thing first.
eddie bravo
And then they light up the rest of the building.
joe rogan
Do they have it all set in advance so they knew that 9-11 was going to come in two weeks?
alex jones
You just answered my question.
I don't know.
And what they do is they take some clip of me from 20 years ago or 18 years ago going, here's CBS News and they don't show it.
I mean, I've got CBS, I've got...
joe rogan
Is it possible that even though Operation Northwoods happened, Gulf of Tonkin was a conspiracy, is it possible that the internal fires in that building were so unbelievably hot that it fucked up every floor and they really did pancake on top of each other and then the exterior structure just collapsed?
Is that possible?
Because I'm not an engineer.
alex jones
I've had the engineers say it's not.
joe rogan
It's not possible at all?
alex jones
And here's the problem, Joe.
They announced it fell on its own footprint 27 minutes before it did on five channels.
joe rogan
Damn.
alex jones
BBC World.
joe rogan
That's real.
alex jones
BBC, CNN, CNN, and CBS. Joe, I like to eat food.
unidentified
I do too.
alex jones
It was 4 o'clock.
I've been on air since the morning on syndicated radio.
I drove down to a local pizza place at 4 o'clock, got my pizza, was eating it in the car.
And I heard CBS radio driving home.
And they said, the decision has been made to save other buildings to control demolition of the Solomon Brothers building, Building 7. By the way, we have these clips now.
But no one archived stuff then.
So I go on air and I go, yeah, they just blew up a building.
Everybody started freaking out.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
alex jones
And then they blew it up.
joe rogan
How long does it take to set up explosives to the point where you can paint?
alex jones
It normally takes a week.
And that was the next story.
But then I interviewed the head of emergency management for New York.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
And the loose change people got him on, and he says, no, I was there.
They had bombs.
You know what was based in Building 7, right?
What?
The CIA, the FBI, all of it.
joe rogan
Wasn't it NSA as well?
alex jones
Everything.
See, he always says, oh, I don't know.
I'm not just kissing Joe's ass.
He's beyond all the shows.
It's bullshit, man.
You know every fucking thing, dude.
Just fucking say it yourself.
joe rogan
I want you to explain it to everybody.
alex jones
Oh, yeah, you're like, wasn't he going to stand there, too?
It's 40 fucking stories of fucking government.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
So there's 40...
joe rogan
With a diesel tank and pre-rigged explosives in case shit hits the fan.
alex jones
Dude, I didn't believe...
I wasn't sure then.
Even though I heard CBS say they blew it up, and even though...
And like the news would go, Jones says firefighters blew it up.
Because the government...
Same thing, point you made is a good point.
Like I said, the government.
No, I don't mean my grandpa was in the army.
joe rogan
If it really did pancake from the fire, what a shit design.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What a terrible design.
I'd be so mad at that architecture.
alex jones
Well, those were the debates from underwriting laboratories.
Because everyone went and looked at the blueprints.
It is New York.
And I'm not defending what you're saying.
Because 7 was built well.
It was looked at by lawsuits.
They were sued.
Tower 1 and 2, though, they were built with bubble gum and band-aids.
unidentified
Really?
alex jones
Those buildings were already leaning.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
alex jones
It was a big mob scam.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
alex jones
They were fucking leaning?
They already had buckling in the wind.
Oh, no!
And they had mathematicians guess that within like five years, one building would collapse.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
alex jones
So there goes your argument.
It's New York.
These buildings are built for shit.
And that's when, as you get older, you go...
joe rogan
Some of them are built for shit, right?
For sure, right?
alex jones
I don't, yeah.
joe rogan
Especially back then.
alex jones
What is inside your back?
Do you have more tobacco?
joe rogan
I do have more tobacco.
alex jones
Can I have a little bit more tobacco?
joe rogan
Yes, for sure.
unidentified
100%.
You know who Dr. Judy Wood is?
alex jones
I do know.
eddie bravo
Dr. Judy Wood wrote a book called Where Did the Towers Go?
Her theory is this is just some lady, scientist lady.
Based on the fact that this is what she claims.
Based on the video and the pictures that she has of where the towers collapsed.
alex jones
I'm tired of Fetzer speaking for me.
brendan schaub
She's saying That there was no rubble.
eddie bravo
The name of the book is called Where Did the Towers Go?
She said that direct energy weapons, some kind of direct energy weapons, dustified the buildings, turned the buildings to dust because there was no rubble.
joe rogan
A dude gave me a book on that.
eddie bravo
Have you seen that?
joe rogan
It's crazy.
You gotta read this.
In Australia?
eddie bravo
In Australia?
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
He was in America.
He was in LA. He told me they use Tesla technology.
I was like, what?
alex jones
Eddie, I'm not saying you're wrong to ask that question.
eddie bravo
You know what?
For me, it doesn't matter if it was dustified or they blew them up Las Vegas style.
It doesn't matter.
Those buildings, in my opinion, got blown up.
alex jones
In Sandy Hook and in the World Trade Centers, I've been accused of covering up.
And I don't like that.
eddie bravo
You've been what?
joe rogan
He's been accused of covering things up, of being a bullshitter.
alex jones
Nothing like I'm covering up.
joe rogan
You know that.
unidentified
A lot of people think you're a Zionist.
eddie bravo
A lot of people think you're a Zionist shill.
You know that.
That's the biggest one.
That's the biggest one about Alex Jones.
alex jones
You know, I'll be honest with you.
eddie bravo
That's the biggest one.
And you know what?
I always have your back.
Always.
unidentified
Always.
eddie bravo
I said, you know what?
If I didn't know him, I would probably think that too.
But I know you.
unidentified
You are honestly...
eddie bravo
Making it a mission in your life to...
Search for the truth.
You're all about liberty.
You're for real.
You want the best for people.
You're looking out for the people's best interests.
So whether you're right or wrong, it doesn't matter.
You know, sometimes you're wrong.
So it's hard for me.
Like I'm saying, I always have your back.
It's hard for me to think you're like some Zionist shit.
I'm like, I know this motherfucker.
joe rogan
Listen, man.
People make up rumors about all kinds of people.
They come up with ideas that they want to push.
They decide.
You know, accuse someone of doing something really stupid, like being a part of something that they're not.
alex jones
Here's the best way to describe it.
eddie bravo
I always have their back, Alex.
You know that.
I take a lot of heat for it.
People think I'm a shill.
They think I'm a Zionist now because I'm friends with you.
joe rogan
When you see conspiracies against you that you know aren't true, doesn't that make you distrust conspiracies?
alex jones
Well, I told you.
joe rogan
That's the evolution of you between you now and you.
alex jones
Yeah, but there's a lot of stuff that's lies.
But then people that just say everything's BS, you've got to check it.
joe rogan
There's a lot of that going on, right?
alex jones
Exactly.
So let me try to answer Andy's question because your question is excellent as well.
And the two go together.
I mean, I grew up in Dallas, Texas in the 80s and 90s when it was like the murder capital of the country.
I lived in a middle-class area, but it was still like...
And, you know, I got in a fight with rednecks.
I, you know, I got in a fight with racist Mexicans.
There were racist white people attacking Mexicans.
But I, I mean, I had, you know, big black guys attacking me who, like, flunked three grades in school.
And my black friends would say, man, you're so cool.
You're not racist.
Even though, you know, my cousin who's 18 or if you're like 14 just attacked you.
And, you know, that was all just part of a development.
People do things.
It doesn't care what color their skin is or where they came from.
There's good black people.
There's bad black people.
There's good white people.
There's bad white people.
There's good Mexicans.
There's bad Mexicans.
There's good Asians.
There's bad Asians.
There's good North Koreans.
There's bad North Koreans.
And I'm stating really simple stuff for everybody knows.
But I'll go to a restaurant if they've got good food.
I don't care if it's Ethiopian or if it's Mexican or if it's German.
If the food's good, the people are nice, I love it.
Like women.
I love black women.
I love white women.
I love Hispanic women.
I love them all.
If a woman's cool, I got a bunch of black women that are bitches, black women that are cool.
eddie bravo
What about Swedish bitches?
alex jones
I love them all.
The point is, let's just say I'm super gay.
But the point is, what I'm getting at here, though, is...
eddie bravo
No, I don't like Swedish girls.
alex jones
What did I just get into it?
joe rogan
I don't know.
Let's wrap this up.
alex jones
No, we need to wrap it up, but I got to make this point.
joe rogan
I don't know what it is.
alex jones
How was I getting into that?
Oh, the racism thing.
joe rogan
Oh.
alex jones
It's not about...
I know I'm saying something so simple.
Everybody's like, yeah, you told me grass is green.
Martin Luther King, like, it doesn't matter what color someone is.
It matters what they stand for, what they do.
I go to restaurants that can be owned by Koreans or black people or white people, whatever.
If the food's good, like music.
I love Jimi Hendrix.
He's a black guy.
joe rogan
What if the food sucks?
alex jones
Then I hate it.
But it's not because they're white or because they're Hispanic.
Of course.
joe rogan
You've been sitting next to a Mexican for three hours.
I 100% believe you.
eddie bravo
You totally love Mexicans.
joe rogan
I do too.
Mexican food.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
alex jones
Joe, we've had a big epic interview.
joe rogan
It's been pretty goddamn good.
alex jones
This is not your record six hour though.
joe rogan
No, but it's pretty damn good.
We're at like four hours or something.
eddie bravo
Something like that.
I think you guys talked enough aliens to fucking really boost your search engine results on YouTube.
joe rogan
No, we'll be eliminated from all search engine results.
alex jones
There's no doubt you'll be penalized for this.
And Joe, you should say something about that.
You're an American, you're allowed to talk to me.
Because they're going to say, Joe Rogan had Jones on to say no one died of Sandy Hook.
joe rogan
B.S. Well, I don't think anyone's going to say that.
But people probably will say some things.
But I think also, you know, the idea that, like, anybody should be able to tell you that you can't talk anymore, ever.
If you said one thing that people don't like, or if you do talk, it has to be only on your site, and you have to be trapped out of all of the different platforms for social media.
That's a slippery, slippery slope.
You know, and I'm not promoting hate.
But here's the thing.
You're not a hateful person.
I know you're not a hateful person.
You may have said things that are angry in the past about certain people or been angry about a certain event in the news, but you're not a hurtful, angry person.
If there's things that you say that they can say, hey, this violates some sort of a pattern of behavior, you're attacking someone, you're giving out someone's address, that kind of shit, they should be able to take it down.
alex jones
Yeah, I agree.
They should show.
That's not a speech that's fired up either.
I'm not doing that.
joe rogan
That's what I was going to get to.
There should be a clear...
Like, set of rules.
And you could look at these rules the way a lawyer would look at them.
And say, is this in violation?
Is my client arrested?
Well, no, your client didn't have anything illegal on him.
And we did a search and we found no drugs.
And we found no illegal weapons.
But we suspected that he was up to something.
And we don't like the way he was talking.
alex jones
Just in closing to say this, I don't want to make myself the center of this.
At the end of the day, Infowars went from really successful and huge to like zeitgeist insane.
joe rogan
But do you take any responsibility for any of that?
alex jones
Oh yeah, I'm a human.
I'm not perfect.
joe rogan
Right.
Do you think that maybe it made it easy for some of the people that were going to attack you, and I've been guilty of this myself, by providing fuel?
alex jones
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
By saying stupid shit.
alex jones
They take it out of context.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
But that's what I'm saying is, they say it.
It's globalist funded, a big corporation.
This is what I'm going to say in closing.
It's come out.
We're going to release this soon.
joe rogan
Well, the thing is, it's all left-wing.
That's where it's weird.
alex jones
But there's a problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a problem because you have one ideology that's overwhelmingly in control of tech.
And I agree with them on a lot of things.
On social programs and a lot of it on welfare and universal basic income and civil rights and women's rights.
I agree with him on a lot of stuff.
But it's an ideology, like any ideology.
alex jones
Joe, I want to agree with you, but you're wrong.
joe rogan
But it doesn't have free speech in it.
alex jones
Joe, I just learned all this two weeks ago.
joe rogan
What?
alex jones
I got documents.
I'll come back if you want.
joe rogan
You're right.
alex jones
I've been attacking the left for doing it, and they're the instrumental group that's carrying it out you would think would defend.
If you're a right-wing fascist, who do you get to go after free speech?
joe rogan
Who do you get?
alex jones
The left.
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
You trick them.
alex jones
You trick them.
And I'm not trying to worship them.
joe rogan
So you think the right wing is tricking the left wing into shutting down free speech?
alex jones
No, I've confirmed.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
alex jones
I have confirmed.
joe rogan
It's a goddamn conundrum.
alex jones
That the Republican Party, not the average Tea Party people, the Republican Party is blue blood.
It thinks it runs the Democrats.
And it learned what was happening.
And I can come back for a whole show if you want on this.
Or come on my show about it.
No, seriously.
joe rogan
I'll come on your show.
alex jones
I'm going to be in March.
joe rogan
I'm going to be at Cap City Comedy Club in Austin.
alex jones
I promise you're coming on.
joe rogan
I'm coming on.
alex jones
All right, good.
joe rogan
I'm coming on.
alex jones
So, Joe, I'm not just saying this.
I swear to God, dude, I'll tell you bad stuff about me.
I'll tell you bad stuff about me.
I'm telling you the truth here.
joe rogan
I believe you.
alex jones
The tobacco was amazing, by the way.
joe rogan
It's pretty good stuff.
alex jones
I swear to...
eddie bravo
You could be a stand-up comedian.
joe rogan
He could be, right?
eddie bravo
You could transition.
alex jones
My problem is...
joe rogan
You want to do stand-up?
alex jones
Sure.
eddie bravo
You could crush Alex.
alex jones
Joe, I'm not trying to lie to you.
joe rogan
He'd be very funny, man.
eddie bravo
Dude, he would crush.
joe rogan
Joe, I'm telling you the truth, man.
alex jones
I'm not trying to bullshit like everybody else.
I'm telling you, man.
The problem is it's so real.
Every time I forget what I was going to say.
What was I talking about?
joe rogan
You being a comic?
eddie bravo
Yeah, man.
You said you wanted to transition out of this.
What else you got planned?
joe rogan
What was the other plan?
We were just talking about social media and YouTube and people being able to silence people and push their leftist ideology or right-wing ideology.
You were saying that the Republicans were manipulating the Democrats.
alex jones
Because I know your secret.
You are an empathetic real guy.
That's why I love you.
And you were kind of like, couldn't handle it anymore, which I actually want to be like that.
So then you kind of dolled out so I was aggressive because you look at it.
I have looked at all this stuff and I have seen what their own prospectus and their own plans are.
And they go to Congress and they lie about all of it.
They're not liberal.
They're not conservative.
It's big corporations lining up with China, as you said earlier, to unify the propaganda to, quote, influence China.
No, dude, they get all the technology.
They've used our open society to totally take over.
And so that's what I'm trying to get through to you, is that they're coming after everybody.
Like you said earlier, when I first met you today, you walk into the office, I was here 10 minutes before you, and you go, I want to talk about the thing you said about the censorship and how once they get us to submit, we're broken.
joe rogan
No, what you said was that it was a slippery slope, that if you give in 1%, you go, oh, it's 1%, I still have this other 99%, and they just start moving the boundaries.
They start moving it closer and closer.
And it 100% makes sense.
People exist in these control patterns.
It's really common.
alex jones
And they keep asking me!
Like, oh, when are you going to give up?
Everything's okay as soon as you do.
Like, when are you going to give up?
joe rogan
Everything's going to be okay.
What does that mean?
What does give up mean?
You stop talking?
So if people enjoy watching...
This is where it gets weird.
If people enjoy watching you talk and other people don't, why can't the people who don't just not watch you talk?
What is going on here?
eddie bravo
Because he's promoting truth.
joe rogan
He is promoting truth.
But I think what they've done is they've found these little pockets.
Complainters.
Well, that too, but things you've said that maybe you shouldn't have said.
alex jones
No, they've got organized bitches that threaten everybody.
Like, I don't want to put down, the truth is I make...
Jack Dorsey, this villain.
No, like we had Poole on.
It's true.
They had millions of people harassing the stock and attacking and lying, going, he's currently attacking children.
He's trying to attack children at their houses.
And so it wasn't the fact that I got in a CNN guy's face.
And I get as a shareholder and a company owner, how about defending Jack Dorsey, or whatever his name is.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
What's the other guy?
joe rogan
The other guy.
I don't know who the other guy is.
Jack Dorsey's the Twitter guy.
alex jones
Yeah, and Oliver Darcy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
And it's all admitted is what I'm saying.
I understand like he had millions of people attacking the shareholders.
Did you hear about there's a chef that makes pastries?
She's worked there 10 years at Trump's hotel in Florida.
And BuzzFeed found out who she was and doxxed her and said, she's a cult member, fire her!
And you're like, what does that even mean?
Like, why would anybody harass a pastry chef?
joe rogan
That's a very good question.
People feel like they're at war.
That's part of the problem with all this shit.
That's why I was saying be reasonable.
People feel like they're at war.
The right versus the left.
Instead of just being a bunch of people talking about ideas and trying to figure it out.
alex jones
But at least take on Hillary or Alex Jones or Bill Clinton or Donald Trump.
Since when is it a...
joe rogan
A fucking pastry chef.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
alex jones
By the way, you think I'm...
joe rogan
No, I don't think you're bullshit at all.
alex jones
Type in BuzzFeed targets Trump pastry chef.
joe rogan
I don't think you're bullshit at all.
alex jones
Let me ask you this, because I've been talking way too much.
In closing here at the end of this transmission, we should talk about A lot of things, a lot of notes I have here.
joe rogan
Let me just tell you, this was a fun fucking podcast.
It was fun.
This is what I wanted people to see.
alex jones
Well, then there's nothing to worry about.
joe rogan
What I wanted people to see is why I like Alex Jones.
Like, why I enjoy hanging out with you.
I wanted people to be able to see it.
Because I have had to defend that because of this narrative that you're this totally evil guy.
alex jones
But Joe, you can say I disagree with Alex and whatever.
You don't need to let the leftist make you bad.
If I was Charlie Manson, I should be able to come on your I want you to call my show.
joe rogan
Alright.
We don't have to do this Charlie Manson type thing.
alex jones
But I would interview the...
Here's the thing.
I would interview the devil.
unidentified
Who?
alex jones
In a big bloom of smoke.
joe rogan
You would interview him?
Would you want to stay a certain distance away from the devil?
unidentified
The devil's very sexually seductive.
alex jones
You know, the devil appears.
joe rogan
What are you going to do stand-up?
Will you just please just go to an open mic?
alex jones
Have you ever seen the devil?
joe rogan
Yes, I have.
alex jones
Hotter now.
Hot in a good way.
joe rogan
Just open mic night.
alex jones
The devil is pure sexual seduction.
Joe, how sexy is the devil?
joe rogan
I wouldn't say sexy.
I don't think I can get it up in front of a demon.
alex jones
No, no, not a demon.
This is Lucifer.
joe rogan
Oh, the big one.
alex jones
The big daddy.
joe rogan
You know, you never know until he's kissing you, I guess.
eddie bravo
You could be the next Sam Kinison.
alex jones
No, but it's the thing.
eddie bravo
You know what I mean?
Remember Sam Kinnis was like a preacher?
joe rogan
Well, when he was screaming and yelling about the babies, Jesus Christ, he was over the top.
eddie bravo
He could do it.
alex jones
We make jokes about this.
When I was a little kid, and I was having one of these visions when I was asleep, I hadn't seen Conan the Destroyer yet.
Conan the Barbarian was the first one.
Remember how the demon's laying on its side, this good-looking guy, who turns into this big fucking goblin, attacks everybody?
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
And when I was a kid, that was the thing.
I would try to, in these dreams, I'd go way after Edge of the Universe.
I was like, it's a gay dude, sitting there on his side like this?
And then a few years later, I saw Conan the Destroyer, and I'm like, that's the thing from the dream.
So what I'm saying is, you've seen the Hobbit remake.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
Where Gandalf goes to the castle and Sauron's not made his body yet.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
And he looks like that.
He's like that fire.
I've seen exactly that.
So you want to talk about what the real controllers of the Greys are, it looks like Sauron.
joe rogan
Have you ever had a significant head injury?
alex jones
I have.
joe rogan
You have?
What happened to you?
What happened to you?
alex jones
You know, they've got an NPR piece coming out next week.
Did I pile drive some guy?
I never did that.
joe rogan
What happened to your head?
alex jones
I've been pile-draft.
joe rogan
Somebody pile-drived you?
And what happened?
How old were you?
alex jones
I was about 13. 13?
joe rogan
14. Somebody pile-drived you in your head.
Did it change your personality?
alex jones
I got up and punched him in the throat, and they had to drink it out of me.
I almost died.
joe rogan
Wow.
So was it a friend of yours?
alex jones
It was like the state wrestling champion, middleweight, and his cousin or something.
And Dallas was like this.
You know, got me down.
I was never starting fights, man.
These people.
Here's the thing.
I'm not a victim of racial attacks.
I'm not like Jeffrey or Jesse Smollett.
Because I fought rednecks and I got my leg broken, you know, by...
joe rogan
So this guy pile-drived you on your head when you were 13?
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
What did it do to your personality?
alex jones
Then I had to fight his whole family.
Well, fight most of his family.
It was a game changer.
joe rogan
But do you have any significant change from that head injury?
Sometimes when people have head injuries, especially...
It seems like young people.
alex jones
You know, Steph just got better after that.
Really?
unidentified
That's pretty good timing!
eddie bravo
Joe's all serious!
He's like, dude, we've got to get to the root of this.
joe rogan
That's good timing.
That's good timing.
alex jones
No, no, no.
joe rogan
That's happened to a lot of folks.
alex jones
There's no doubt.
joe rogan
My friend Dave Foley was just on here, and he was talking about how he got drunk and he fell down and cracked his head.
It's crazy, but it cured his depression.
alex jones
Yeah, let's start playing this.
Any given time if somebody's a regular guy and I would never start a fight, they'd kick my ass.
Like, the average 150-pound guy would probably kick my ass.
But when, like, a bunch of people are coming after me, it's like Darth Vader.
And when I was a kid, I mean, I learned right away.
Like, the first time I bashed somebody's head into the concrete when they attacked me, I got hired in hell.
joe rogan
But when the kid dropped you on your head, what effect did it have on you physically?
alex jones
It was by the field house because his cousin had attacked me and I beat him up.
And so the state wrestling champ, it was like a senior, comes and goes, oh yeah, he slammed around.
And he got up when my head was bleeding like he'd won.
And I punched him in the neck and broke his, and then the tracheotomy almost died.
I was like, yeah, he almost killed me.
He slammed me in the ground, my head's bleeding, all these stitches right here.
And then he couldn't believe when I got up and said, well, you died.
He couldn't understand the energetic equivalence.
joe rogan
He couldn't understand being the nail.
He could only understand being the hammer.
alex jones
He didn't understand that.
And then they took me to jail.
They let me go.
I'm not some tough guy.
The point is, I'm getting killed.
I'm going to fight back.
And so Dallas was like...
joe rogan
So what happened to your head after that?
alex jones
I mean, I never even got knocked out in that one.
He slammed my head in the ground.
And I remember, like, everybody made the joke because the concrete cracked.
It was, like, on the edge of the concrete.
He paul-drived me right into the concrete and, like, split my head way open.
That's a true story.
And I remember just getting up.
It was, like, slow motion pushing me right in the neck.
And the ambulances and the police came.
It was that story.
joe rogan
Did you go to the hospital?
alex jones
No, they took me to jail for that.
But then they let me go.
joe rogan
They didn't check your head?
Did you tell them you got pile dried?
alex jones
No, they sewed it up.
joe rogan
They sewed it up in the jail?
But they didn't check to see if you had a severe concussion or anything?
alex jones
Subdermal hematoma, no.
unidentified
Wow.
eddie bravo
Go ahead, Joe.
unidentified
Admit it.
joe rogan
Admit what?
eddie bravo
You think that he's a conspiracy theorist because he got dropped on his head.
unidentified
I think there's something...
joe rogan
There's something to people that have had head trauma that become brilliant at speaking things.
alex jones
It's true.
The black dude only lost in the fight.
eddie bravo
I don't think he got dumped that hard.
It doesn't sound like he really got dumped.
alex jones
His name was Corey Strange.
The only reason he won was he was better and more powerful than me.
He had six packs.
Look at Arnold Schwarzenegger, black dude.
He waited and gloated while blood was coming out of my head.
The only reason he lost was he gloated.
joe rogan
He was way more amazing.
But you broke the concrete with your head.
That's big.
eddie bravo
No, you didn't.
The concrete didn't actually break, did it?
alex jones
Maybe it didn't, but they made the joke.
joe rogan
Okay, so either it did or it didn't.
eddie bravo
He got knocked out.
joe rogan
He still got spiked on his head on the concrete.
alex jones
No.
joe rogan
Dude, getting spiked on your head on the concrete.
alex jones
Other than me choking myself with other people for fun, I've never been knocked out.
eddie bravo
Okay, so I don't think...
unidentified
I don't think he got dropped on his head that hard.
joe rogan
You're incorrect.
I don't think so.
eddie bravo
I think he barely tapped his head.
He would have been knocked out.
joe rogan
Maybe not.
It doesn't matter.
Sometimes people get knocked out through severe head injury.
Sometimes they don't.
Sometimes their head cracks.
alex jones
What you say is true.
My dad...
joe rogan
But hold on.
Sometimes they never lose consciousness.
You can't think they always lose consciousness.
Sometimes their head gets cracked.
alex jones
When I would get knocked out, I would see like numbers like I was a robot.
unidentified
Like red.
alex jones
I would see like...
Everybody sees red?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I was like...
No, I'm not kidding.
alex jones
No, that's a true story.
That's your story.
joe rogan
Dude, man, when you get dinged, there's something about getting dinged with a punch and you see that flash and you realize that your central nervous system is like 30% functional.
You're like, whoa!
A very weird feeling.
alex jones
See, Joe's done it.
The people say see stars, yeah.
That's why the Luciferians said, oh, Hollywood stars, because they'd seen the stars.
Each star is like a whole data bank.
And I remember some dude choking me.
I'm like, yeah, some dude's pulling a knife out.
And you see that knife pulling out, you're like...
And at that point, you see everything.
For only those minutes when everything's clear, it's like...
joe rogan
Survival motions.
alex jones
But then you see the wars and the attacks and the submarines and the spacecraft.
It's like when you dial into that, it's like total war.
unidentified
It's like...
joe rogan
Didn't you say that when your friends would choke you out, you'd have these long dreams?
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
No, no, no.
I remember being in junior high, 6th, 7th, 8th grade, because I got choked out a couple other times, and I finally stopped.
And there'd always be guys like, it's incredible.
We do this during lunch, and we'd go back, and someone would press on their arteries, and the bad times would hit your head, but it'd be like, one time, I remember this one time, they'd choke me out, and all of a sudden it was like a black knight with a sword.
And, like, attacks me on this horse.
And then, like, it went, and then I was, like, in England thousands of years ago, and I had this wife and these kids, and it was a whole lifetime, like, taking care of them and, like, growing food.
unidentified
And, like, a kid starved to death and died.
And it was, like, just those moments were, like, whole lives, dead kids, everything.
alex jones
That's what I'm saying.
Like, you dial into all those ancestors.
And it was, like, my kids and kids starving to death and, like, People attacking us.
joe rogan
So you think all that information from your ancestors is somehow or another encoded somewhere in your body?
alex jones
It's definitely encoded, Joe.
joe rogan
That makes sense if you think about what reincarnation must feel like.
You know, when people have that feeling, they have this feeling that they lived before.
alex jones
Our whole bodies are everybody before us.
It's not quite exactly.
So people, they underestimate it.
They go, oh, I lived before.
No, they all lived before.
joe rogan
That would also explain certain fears that people just have as children.
Like children have a fear of animals.
Like you see an animal with big teeth.
unidentified
Children have a natural fear of them.
alex jones
Their ancestors got killed by them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They probably got attacked by some bear somewhere, and somehow or another, they got through, and they survived, and that DNA got into that kid.
alex jones
And that left a psychic impression on the whole tribe.
joe rogan
Yep, yep.
It makes sense how animals learn things.
I mean, animals just know things.
alex jones
Well, you know about epigenetics.
They have studies where they can take 10-generation chickens in closed...
You did a study on this like 20 years ago, and fly a hawk over.
They all ran scared.
They fly a triangle.
Nobody cares.
The exact shape of a hawk.
It makes all the chickens run because it's programming.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Exactly.
It's why if you have a puppy and you take it for walks, even when it's like six weeks old, it'll never be around another dog again.
It knows exactly what to do.
It knows how to sniff things and piss on trees.
It knows to check for other dogs' piss.
It knows what to do.
They know what to do.
They know what animals to chase.
They see a squirrel.
They want to go after it.
unidentified
Exactly.
alex jones
So what I've lined up is, what they want you to know, is it looks like our species is super old.
joe rogan
How old?
alex jones
I don't know.
Because I can't even interpret the stuff I've seen.
I mean, I saw like...
You've seen like...
What was that stupid Tom Cruise movie?
joe rogan
Stupid Tom Cruise movie?
How dare you?
How dare you?
Jack Reacher?
jamie vernon
Jack Reacher 2?
alex jones
Oblivion?
They've got these giant landers selling up.
They're sucking the ocean up.
joe rogan
That was a dope movie.
eddie bravo
The Outsiders?
alex jones
And he doesn't even know he's working for the system.
And so that's what I'm telling you is that literally whatever it is is like a joke.
Like whatever created us is like super badass.
joe rogan
But is it possible that there's not a thing that created us but that we are just like every other organism and every other system on this planet?
We're this constantly evolving thing that doesn't really have a leader and it's trying to get better constantly at everything it does.
unidentified
I agree.
alex jones
I agree with you.
But this is where this stops.
360, Joe, you're right, but there wasn't a worm learned how to crawl up the ass of a grasshopper to program and do that.
There was some prime essence that was put into things that did that that said free will, and we're the top of the food chain.
joe rogan
Or was it thousands and thousands of generations of failures?
Thousands of generations of bugs that got into this grasshopper, just killed it, and then wound up suffocating to death inside of it.
Even though they were a parasite, they never figured out a way to get it.
And finally one of them, through some sort of weird mutation, figured out a way to interact with the brain of the grasshopper and actually guide it to the lake.
Get it to jump into the water and drown, and so it would burst from its body and then swim away.
alex jones
No, I hear that hypothesis, but I think it's one of the most unlikely.
joe rogan
But if you're talking about things learning from things, if things learn from things and they keep getting better over thousands and thousands of generations, but these same things keep procreating...
Wouldn't it eventually get to some state where it figures out how to do something if it is still a parasite and it gets inside the body?
What if it figures out, oh, if I just grow these things off the top of my head and connect it to the brain of this dumb little motherfucker, I can get him to drown to death so I can be born.
alex jones
No, you're saying the one thing mutated right to make the connection in an old...
All the snails go up, eaten by birds, shit down, more animals eat it, and that's the thing.
joe rogan
I think we're dealing with an unfathomable number of creatures that are being born and dying, and new ones are being born and dying.
I think our puny little brains can't really calculate the exact amount of cycles that it takes to get from a single-celled organism to a human being.
unidentified
Let's say you're right.
alex jones
We deserve free speech then.
joe rogan
Yes.
alex jones
Because that's this big open thing.
joe rogan
Yes, 100%.
alex jones
So isn't the whole modern leftist thing a denial of the leftist ethos that we're going to let things be free?
joe rogan
Well, the problem is the leftist ethos is also the idea of inclusiveness and kindness and caring.
Like, the idea is that they're promoting all the kindness.
alex jones
No, I get it.
And so the pedophile wants to date my five-year-olds, okay.
joe rogan
But what I'm saying is kindness unless you're a right-wing person.
Now, if you think on the right, then they want to attack you.
Then they want to demonize you, and if they can shut you down and silence you and find some sort of a bullshit excuse to do so, in a lot of cases it seems like some folks lean in that direction.
And this is where it gets dangerous, because you can't...
It's like if someone says, hey, if I knew how to fight, I'd run in front of people.
I'd just fuck everybody up.
Well, you'd be dead in a year, because eventually people are going to kick your ass and kill you.
You can't just beat people up.
alex jones
Well, yeah, exactly.
If you can one-on-one beat somebody, everyone gangs up against you.
joe rogan
It's that childish mentality.
I'll just knock this person out and nothing else will happen.
You're setting a whole thing in motion.
When you silence someone, you're setting a whole thing in motion.
And this is something that we're all learning.
This is what we have to come to grips with.
Social media has only been around for a really short amount of time.
It's only been around in this kind of form for 10 plus years.
And we're figuring it out.
And these people that think that they can just silence people and shut people down without it having...
A bad effect on all of us.
It's not right.
It's not right.
alex jones
Well, I appreciate you pointing out free speech is good.
Eddie, what do you think should be done about the denial of the reign of terror of censorship that's admittedly going on?
eddie bravo
I don't know shit.
brendan schaub
All I know is that it seems that the right is being censored a lot.
eddie bravo
And when you look at the left and how they've been acting, I mean, they're acting like psychopaths.
Like, you know, putting signs up for late-term abortions and all that shit.
They're pushing that.
There's people pushing that.
alex jones
AOC says don't have kids.
brendan schaub
It's like someone who's trying to get fired, you know, when you have a job and you want to get fired.
alex jones
I was talking to a Delta Force major who runs whole CIA squads, and he said, What do you think, Alex?
It's like they want to lose.
What's the psyop?
I don't know.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it seems like they're trying to lose.
It's so bad.
It's so bad.
joe rogan
How much of that is influenced by people that are trying to fuck with the whole system?
Imagine if this is like stage five Russian influence.
Just get people to support late-term.
Figure out a way to get people to support super late-term abortions.
Figure out a way to get people to support trans women.
Competing as women with no hormone replacement in high school.
alex jones
Yeah, like I'm watching newscasts where like some 25-year-old dudes, like 18-year-old girls, he takes...
All the titles, like now guys have it?
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
eddie bravo
It is.
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
Imagine if your daughter was up for a scholarship and she had to compete against some 6'5 man who identified as a woman and wanted to play basketball.
eddie bravo
I feel, hey, if you've committed a crime, if you're a felon, you can't chop your dick off.
You know what I mean?
alex jones
I like the Japanese model.
They said, hey, because I don't care if you're a trans or you're a dude that wants to be a woman.
Literally, I'm a libertarian.
Don't act like I'm trying to suppress you.
The Japanese said, hey, you don't get the trans designation unless you chop the Johnson and the Webo's off.
It's like, hey, taxpayers will pay for it.
You get that vagina built, and you sit there and do it.
joe rogan
I think there's a lot of people that are legitimately trans.
That's not the problem.
The problem is them wanting to compete as women.
And Martina Navotrilova just caught a rash of shit.
Because she was talking about it.
She's the famous tennis star.
She was talking about it, that women are breaking all these records.
And right after she said that, these kids were number one.
We're transgender that won the girls' high school track meet.
You know, at a certain point in time, you've got to stop doing this.
alex jones
We're talking about competition.
I'm not mad at somebody because they think they're another sex.
Exactly.
But, like, at the same time, like, I watch, like, bike races and running races and soccer and high jumping.
And it's a dude, like, it's not just, like, dudes are bigger than me.
They're like these six-foot-four guys with huge shoulders that would kick my ass.
I'm a lady and I won!
And the girls are like, I mean, that's mental illness, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's some nonsense going on.
There's some people that are legit, and then there's some people that are just legitimately crazy.
I mean, with everything in life, there's people that are legitimately trans, and there's people that have real mental issues.
unidentified
Yeah, I agree.
alex jones
If a man wants to see himself as a woman, Login X shows the Kimballs that happens.
That's their issue.
Whatever.
Or vice versa.
But, like, I'm going to watch NFL, and, like, we're supposed to, like, you know, like, women's NFL. And, like, it's all guys, and they say they're women.
It was like a thing in England last year where the guy comes in with tattoos, a big beard, and it was in the police report.
The guy had like a foot-long cock.
And he goes, do a cervix exam.
joe rogan
What kind of police report is this?
alex jones
And the nurse said, sir, I don't see a vagina.
And it was in the report, the man had a foot-long dick.
So she's supposed to mentally yell, go, okay, well, let me check all this and decide that you've got all this.
I mean, it's just like, it's mental illness, man.
It's not that I hate somebody.
That feels like they're a woman or a man or whatever.
That's the lie.
They're like, oh, you need to accept this or you hate everybody.
joe rogan
Imagine if all this ridiculous propaganda really was the very, very highest level Russian meme farm propaganda.
And this is why the people...
eddie bravo
It could totally be a sign-up.
joe rogan
...being the most preposterously leftist.
Even things like these babies being resuscitated and then killed.
People wouldn't freak out when they heard a guy talk about that kind of shit.
Imagine if this was all just...
It's designed to make everybody go fucking crazy.
alex jones
No, Joe, I wish it was, but it's the governor saying it, and it's them doing it.
And there's this one point we're in this transmission.
What is the endgame?
joe rogan
What is the endgame, Alex Jones?
alex jones
Everything we're told is humanity's bad, humanity's wrecking things, but the very environmentalist groups that are doing this are all like weird transhumanist anti-human.
I'm all transhumanist if I really get life extension.
But it's all like, oh, you die, you're uploaded to a machine.
I'm just saying, anything you see the big corporate media promoting, they don't know what they're doing.
I've been around them.
I've talked to them.
They don't know.
I don't think I know.
I don't think Joe knows.
I don't think Eddie knows.
But I think in the spectrum of like 1 to 100, we're in the 95th percentile of really being woke.
And we care about, look, I don't like to say, well...
I'll never forget like three or four years ago.
I remember that black woman was driving around the Capitol.
They had a military drill going.
And she saw him and ran and they shot her.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
And I was hearing Black Lives Matter like four years ago.
And I had like this outpouring of black listeners.
And I don't judge things about money, but like a million dollars came in like a week.
And it was all black people saying, we thought you were against black people.
But when you cared about that woman being shot by the police at a checkpoint in D.C., we knew you were good.
No one knew who she was until a day later.
I wasn't thinking, is it a black woman?
Is it a white woman?
Is it a Hispanic woman?
I was thinking, they reported she went through a checkpoint and got scared, and then the police shot her.
I'm not against the police either.
The average cop's not whose best.
joe rogan
Shooting a woman, running away, it's like...
There's got to be a better way.
You can't catch her, bro.
alex jones
No, no, I agree.
That cop was bad.
That's what I'm saying.
It's terrible.
I'm not some goody-two-shooter.
eddie bravo
What was she doing?
joe rogan
She was running away.
eddie bravo
She was just running?
alex jones
They had a military drill, four or five, whatever it was.
They had a military drill in D.C. where most of the rows were shut down.
joe rogan
What was the story, Jamie?
Can you find it?
The woman got shot.
alex jones
Black woman shot in front of the White House.
joe rogan
How many people get shot in this country every year because someone just can't handle pressure?
eddie bravo
Right in front of the White House.
alex jones
It's about 40 times.
joe rogan
It's a trigger figure, doesn't know what to do, just makes the wrong decision.
alex jones
And again, it's a mental illness.
We don't blame guns because you can use a car.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
But it is true that about half of them are suicides, but the rest of half is like people can't handle it.
And that was like four or five years ago.
joe rogan
Here it is right here.
Capitol Hill, United States.
Miriam Carey, a dental hygienist from Stanford, Connecticut, attempted to drive through the White House security checkpoint.
In her black Infiniti G37 coupe.
She struck a U.S. Secret Service officer.
alex jones
But that's a lie.
They had the main roads.
And I'm not trying to anti-cop Black Lives Matter.
It's not true, dude.
They had all the roads shut down.
joe rogan
But she was trying to drive through a security checkpoint.
That could be still possible that they had all the roads shut down and they had a security checkpoint.
alex jones
She went to one of those army.
No, it was.
joe rogan
Right.
alex jones
And then she went to another of those army.
And then they just shot her.
And I'm not against the cops.
joe rogan
They shot her and she had her daughter in the car.
Huh.
That's a horrible story.
I don't want to end with that.
alex jones
But my point was, I don't judge things by money.
Black people, because that was really a big story at the time, when I came out, because I'd seen the footage, I was watching live, and saw him take her dead body out of this black lady, I said, it's a black lady.
And what the hell?
This woman was like, they were like, oh my god, he cares about black people.
Yeah, man, I care about whatever the color they are.
I mean, it was that moment, and they all just bought product, and it was like this outpouring, and letters, and flowers.
Like, you stood up for a black woman.
I'm like, dude, half of the black people incepted in this country are aborted, Joe.
Those, the Planned Parenthood groups.
joe rogan
Is that a real number?
alex jones
Yeah.
It's like 60% of some cities.
They were hired.
It was all set up.
Margaret Sanger said, we're targeting black people.
unidentified
And you know what?
alex jones
At the end of the day, I see big populations.
I see dumb white people, dumb black people, all these people.
I get, like, there's too many people.
In some areas there are.
I can get that.
But the point is, is that you're going to, like, target black people and then tell them that you care about them when you're the KKK Democrats and you've got Margaret Sanger set up and you're doing all this.
And I walk out of a mall.
I walked out of a mall two years ago in Houston.
The same black Israelite group that was yelling at...
Yelling at the Covington Catholic kids saying you're all Nazis when they attacked them or the same one they covered.
They're like, black people are God and white people are the devil.
And we're going to kill the white people.
And so I'm sitting there walking out of this mall right after Trump got elected in Houston.
I remember because I was there with my wife.
She wore like a Burberry coat or something.
And I was down visiting a family and these black guys go, we're going to kill you.
And I didn't hate them because they were black guys.
They were literally Nazis.
And I remember sitting there in that parking lot, walking across, and I said, well, if you're such big men, kill me now.
And it wasn't...
And my wife's like...
eddie bravo
Slow down.
We're not going to kill you.
alex jones
We're just going to beat you up.
I'm not that tough.
unidentified
They're saying, you white hookah whore, we're going to kill your ass.
joe rogan
I want to end this show on a positive note.
alex jones
No, I'm not against black people.
joe rogan
I know you're not.
alex jones
1% of black people are like that.
1% of black people are like that.
joe rogan
It's not even one.
alex jones
10% of 1%.
The point is that I've literally...
You go to a black Israelite group.
ralph northam
Yes.
joe rogan
I've been around.
I wrote a story about it on my website way, way back in the day.
alex jones
So tell me what happened.
joe rogan
I was hanging out with them.
alex jones
We're not ending it.
joe rogan
They were saying George Washington was a black man.
They had all this crazy interpretation of the Bible.
One guy would read and the other guy would repeat what he said.
unidentified
George Washington was saying, I'm going to kill you.
joe rogan
They dress up like superheroes.
It's a very unusual organization.
unidentified
Whoa.
eddie bravo
They're saying everybody was black.
alex jones
I wasn't putting down black people.
joe rogan
No, no, I know you weren't.
I know you weren't.
His take on it.
I mean, I don't think it's a unified front.
I don't think all black Israelites across the country have the exact same ideas.
alex jones
Breathing?
Keep breathing.
joe rogan
We've got to end this.
It's almost 5 o'clock.
Oh, my God.
unidentified
We're still getting sick.
joe rogan
We're almost getting five hours.
Yes, we're going to get some food.
alex jones
One punch to the ribs, I get one too.
joe rogan
Don't hit anybody.
Let's be friends.
Eddie Bravo, thanks for coming in, man.
eddie bravo
Thank you, man.
joe rogan
Keeping this thing light.
alex jones
The only place to find it is Infowars.com and Newswars.com.
They blocked us everywhere else.
It is the verboten translation.
joe rogan
You have an Instagram page, though.
You do have an Instagram page.
alex jones
Well, don't plug it a little bit.
Hey, they're taking everybody's free speech.
Whether I agree with the white supremacists or the black supremacists, I don't.
Whether I agree with the Scientologists or the Muslims, the point is we should agree with free speech and say no to this and not have some sellout to China.
Because to go to China, you've got to waive all your rights.
joe rogan
Hear, hear.
Alex Jones, ladies and gentlemen.
We'll see you guys soon.
David Lee Roth tomorrow.
alex jones
David Lee Roth!
Infowars.com.
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