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Jan. 31, 2019 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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JRE MMA Show #57 with TJ Dillashaw
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unidentified
Five, four, three, two, one.
joe rogan
TJ! Yo!
How are you, brother?
tj dillashaw
I'm doing good, man.
joe rogan
What is it like now?
First of all, what was it like that night?
For people who don't know, let me just give you the rundown, just so you don't have to say it.
unidentified
Cool.
joe rogan
You were involved in one of the most high-profile flyweight fights ever.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You're the Bantamweight Champion.
You drop down to fly weight.
You went through this extensive training routine to get your body down to a manageable weight where you can cut the last 10 pounds or so and make 125. The fight starts.
Cejudo lands a good shot early.
There's a lot of action.
And the referee stops the fight.
And I was shook by it.
Everybody that I was watching the fight with was like, what the fuck?
tj dillashaw
Dude.
joe rogan
It was almost universal.
No one thought it was a good stoppage.
It's one of those stoppages where no one goes, yeah, it's a good stoppage, a good stoppage.
No one.
Everybody was like, what the fuck?
You jumped off and you're like, dude, come on.
Come on, man.
tj dillashaw
It's been rough, man.
It's a rough one to swallow on multiple reasons.
Like you say, he landed a good shot.
Yeah.
Everything's being overshadowed by this shot that landed behind my ear.
I was off balance.
I threw a right hand.
I came in a little too aggressive.
That's the way I fight.
He pushed me over.
I was off balance.
He threw a kick.
I blocked it.
He went to throw a right hand and I tried to dip out of the way.
It was one of those shots that hits you behind the head, right behind the ear.
Not illegal.
We're on our feet.
It's completely illegal, but it was an unfortunate situation.
One of those punches just takes your feet out from underneath you.
You're 100% there, but your equilibrium's off, you know?
And he jumps on me.
I remember hearing the ref say, Dillashaw, show me something.
I told him I'm good.
And I remember talking to him before the fight in the back, and he said, like, if I'm telling you that, make sure you're talking to me.
Show me something, you know?
joe rogan
But how are you talking?
tj dillashaw
I said it.
I said I'm good.
joe rogan
I mean, but in his, you know, from his perspective, how does he expect you to talk while you're blocking punches?
tj dillashaw
He even said, too, in the back before the fight, too, like, you know, give me a thumbs up or something if you're going to choke, this or that, you know?
To be honest, I didn't know who he was.
I think he's really inexperienced.
Watching him ref as well, too, jumping around as soon as the commotion kind of happened.
He was looking for a reason to stop it, almost.
joe rogan
I think he was amped up.
tj dillashaw
It's a big fight.
joe rogan
Big fight for him, too.
For him to get a high-profile fight, first time on ESPN+. Yes.
Big deal.
tj dillashaw
100%.
joe rogan
Huge, huge deal.
tj dillashaw
100%.
So I think that's the part that almost bugs me more is that I was there, but it was the shot that hit me behind the head.
And then obviously the controversial stoppage.
So it's a rough one to swallow.
It's definitely been bugging me, but I'm good about keeping my mind off of things and staying busy.
I'm already back in the gym, doing business things and trying to stay as busy as possible so I don't think about it and want to punch a hole through the wall every time I walk by one.
joe rogan
Well, it's such a different fight because it was such an arduous task for you to get down to flyweight.
I mean, people were looking.
You look great right now.
Your face is full.
unidentified
You look healthy.
joe rogan
But goddamn, dude, I saw you the week of the fight on television.
Yeah.
And I was like, look at his face.
tj dillashaw
I looked like a tweaker.
joe rogan
Yeah, you did.
You looked like you were, you know, Cejudo said it best.
You look like an ultra marathon runner, like some guy who runs long distances.
tj dillashaw
If I would have decided to lose all the way at the end, I wouldn't have looked like that, right?
But I got my body down to 5% to 6% body fat, you know?
So when I start losing anything towards the end, you're going to see it out of my face.
joe rogan
Right.
tj dillashaw
And I'm one of those guys that loses and gains weight out of my face.
After my fights, we call myself Fat Tyler.
Because my real name is Tyler.
And I go by TJ. And so Justin Buckles gave me that name back at Alpha Male.
joe rogan
Fat Tyler.
tj dillashaw
I'd always get puffy-faced after my fights.
So my alter ego is Fat Tyler.
You know, I'm going out and eating and being an asshole.
joe rogan
Eating spaghetti and shit.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
I did it over 12 weeks.
My body fat percentage is down to 5%.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
tj dillashaw
When you lose any more water weight or anything, you're going to see it come out of your face because I was doing it for so long.
joe rogan
What was it like being that low as far as your body fat goes?
What was your performance like physically?
How did you feel?
tj dillashaw
I actually, so I felt the best I've ever felt before I walked out before the fight.
unidentified
Really?
tj dillashaw
Dude, that's another reason why I'm just so bitter about this thing is because I didn't get a chance to show the work that I put in.
I didn't get a chance to show all the science behind Sam Calvita and what he did to my body.
I was stronger for this fight than it was my last Cody fight.
I walked out two pounds heavier for this fight than I did my last Cody fight.
joe rogan
What did you walk out to?
tj dillashaw
Before I started warming up, I weighed 149. What?
Yes, and I felt great.
I didn't feel bloated.
unidentified
I didn't feel nothing.
Wait a minute.
joe rogan
You went from 125 to 149. Yeah.
tj dillashaw
I was a glycogen battery.
I was ready to fucking go.
I couldn't get tired before the fight when I was warming up in the back.
I seriously, I've never felt better than this before a fight.
My mood, my energy levels, me hitting mitts with Dwayne in the back, warming up.
I was feeling smooth.
I was feeling good.
I remember even walking out in the cage and everything felt too good.
I remember looking over Dwayne, smiling at him.
I felt awesome.
And that's even more of an unfortunate situation.
I didn't get to really show that, you know?
joe rogan
Well, I mean, hats off to Henry because he's a beast.
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
I mean, he did catch you and he is one of the best.
I mean, that kind of caliber of athlete is what made this fight so special.
You being the bantamweight champion, going down a flyweight.
Yep.
I think the way you did it is probably the only way to really do it.
tj dillashaw
Safely.
joe rogan
Yeah.
For sure.
Yeah, I mean, I guess you were safe because you were like, what, 135-ish the day before?
tj dillashaw
I made weight the night before the fight.
unidentified
What?
tj dillashaw
The night before weigh-ins.
So I went to sleep 1.3 pounds over.
And I floated that.
I actually took a shit the morning away, which is insane.
That never happens.
Like, my body was still working.
I wanted to make the weight the night before because, obviously, I hadn't made 125s.
I didn't want to wake up in the morning and see what my body was going to do and if it was going to give me that extra water.
But I made weight super easy, man.
Like, don't get me wrong.
The 12 weeks was a motherfucker.
It was hard.
It was a lot of work.
But...
The actual weight cut was easy.
I had no hiccups, nothing.
Sam would tell me what to go to bed at.
He knew what I was going to wake up at.
He tells me the water loading I'm doing, the amount of electrolytes I'm taking in, the amount of food I'm eating.
And so he knows exactly what my body's going to wake up and do.
He's been tracking it for not two years now.
joe rogan
That guy sounds brilliant.
I really need to talk to him.
I've watched videos of him talking about it and seeing the work and just what a unique individual he is.
tj dillashaw
I mean, that's why I decided to move back down to Southern California.
joe rogan
For him, really?
tj dillashaw
For him.
Wow.
And then everything else kind of came along with it.
My life is wonderful now.
The people I got around me.
I'm lucky that I have Dwayne Ludwig that's willing to travel out and train with me out there.
But I moved down to Southern California because of Sam Calavita.
And I came down to two weeks with him and started noticing, like, man, this guy knows his shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Uniquely.
I mean, there's a lot of people out there who know their shit.
But he seems like he's on some new level.
tj dillashaw
I mean, he sent me graphs that I have on my phone.
Every week we knew exactly where my body weight wanted to be at.
He was telling me weights that I'd be at before I would even be there.
My body would just do it.
joe rogan
So you didn't need a separate person.
This is what's unusual about this.
Normally if you would hire somebody, you would hire like a George Lockhart or someone like that, Mike Dolce, and then you would hire them almost specifically just for the weight cut and some nutrition advice.
He's training you physically as well.
tj dillashaw
He's telling me my low base.
My long distance running or my fasted low base.
He does everything.
My strength conditioning, my nutrition.
They make my meals.
They do all my meal prep.
He's telling me how much low base I need to do per week, either morning or night.
He's telling me when I should train.
Everything is completely mapped out.
There's no guesswork in it.
There's nothing.
He's telling me everything.
He's listening to my heart rate when I'm sleeping, my heart rate variabilities.
He's telling me what supplements to take, all of it.
That's another reason why it's just so tough that this fight didn't get to really let me prove anything, not only for myself and who I am, but the work that this guy put in.
I'm going to sit here and brag about him and talk about how badass he is.
But then people want to tell me like, oh, you're malnourished.
You don't have a chin.
125s was a bad cup for you.
They're giving him crap all over the place.
And I almost feel just as bad for him as I do for myself for how much work he put into it and actually how great I felt before the fight and I didn't get a chance to show it.
Like I said, I walked out at 149, glycogen battery, ready to go.
I've really never felt better.
I know, man.
It was insane.
I really couldn't believe how my body absorbed everything, you know?
joe rogan
So, what are you walking around like now?
tj dillashaw
I'm in low 50s.
I'm in low 50s right now, but that's because I'm trying to be at low 50s.
My body instantly wanted to just store everything and I got up to like 60s, low 60s, and I was like, oh shit.
I started doing some hot yoga and going to work.
I just worked out with Sam yesterday.
I'm going to his house later after this.
So that's kind of the only way my mind can stay at ease right now with everything that's been going on is I need to get back in the gym.
joe rogan
What was that night like after it was over?
I mean, going back to your dressing room and going back to your hotel.
tj dillashaw
It was rough, man.
It was definitely a motherfucker.
I was pissed.
Everyone wants to call me like a sore loser.
I've never said I wasn't a sore loser.
I fucking hate losing more than anybody.
I mean, you show me a champion or a high-level competitor that likes losing and I'll call you a liar.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I think you're 100% correct.
And Jamie and I have talked about this many times when we're talking about LeBron James or Michael Jordan.
Those guys were infamous for being terrible losers.
tj dillashaw
I hate losing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I just don't think you get to be that elite of the elite unless you're a fucking maniac.
I really think that.
tj dillashaw
I mean, I think about it constantly.
I'm one of those OCD guys that's, if I'm not in the gym, I'm thinking about it.
I'm thinking about my training.
And sometimes I need to distract myself.
That's why I distract myself with other businesses or things I got going on because I think about it too much.
Especially when it's a controversial thing, when people are questioning things.
It's going to piss you off even more.
I mean, I hate losing, so you're definitely going to see that.
So that night was rough, man.
I mean, the ride back to the hotel, and I didn't want to go out.
I didn't really want to eat.
I just wanted to hang out with my son.
Just get me away from fighting.
Let me think about my family.
joe rogan
So where is everything at right now in terms of have you talked to the UFC? What was their take on everything?
I know Dana said it was a quick stoppage.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
I mean, everyone's been saying it's a quick stoppage.
Big John McCarthy's calling out the ref saying he thought it was a quick stoppage.
joe rogan
I talked to Mike Beltran a couple nights ago.
He was saying the same thing.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, I mean, so everyone thinks it, you know?
And Dana was saying, like, hey, kid, we'll figure it out in the next couple days.
Early stoppage.
I'm obviously pissed about it.
There's nothing I want this to happen, you know?
So my manager, Tiki, he's been in talks.
We haven't really heard nothing yet on the decision of what's going to happen.
joe rogan
I love Tiki.
tj dillashaw
He's the best.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
tj dillashaw
He's a great manager because he's been in the fight game.
joe rogan
Yes.
tj dillashaw
He's been around.
He's been here forever, early UFC days.
joe rogan
He's such a good dude, too.
He's got such a great personality.
He's just a fun guy to be around.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, so he's been awesome for my career.
I've only been with him for a short while, but he's been awesome for me.
He's been in talks with Hunter and Dana and so I'm hoping to figure out something soon because I'll fight tomorrow.
I'll fight Henry at whatever weight he wants.
I obviously would prefer 25s because I put in a lot of work and I want to show that I know what I'm doing and it wasn't a fluke or that this was a fluke, that this wasn't something that...
joe rogan
Well, here's the deal.
Even if the fight went longer and he stopped you, and he legitimately stopped you, look, he's Henry Cejudo.
That's a possibility.
This is the game.
This is what it is.
tj dillashaw
That's why MMA is so great.
Anything can happen.
You know what I mean?
You go out there like...
No matter if you're the huge favorite, anything can happen.
joe rogan
It just didn't get a chance to happen.
That's what's unfortunate.
I mean, he really did land some good shots.
He really was coming on strong.
I agree.
tj dillashaw
He came out ready.
He was ready.
He's a monster.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker.
And so are you, which is why that fight was so interesting.
tj dillashaw
He had some shit to prove.
He was there to save the flyweight division.
And look, he did it.
Until I had the balls enough to drop down in 20-25s, there really wasn't any hype on a flyweight fight.
But now there was.
And now there still is.
And he wants to talk about saving the flyweight division.
Then let's do it.
joe rogan
Well, I think he wants to go up.
tj dillashaw
Of course.
joe rogan
Because then he can be champ champ.
tj dillashaw
And I understand that.
joe rogan
There was no champ champ before.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When Conor came wrong, Conor really changed the game in so many ways, but one of the ways he changed the game was calling himself Champ Champ.
Now, everybody is Champ Champ.
Ryan Bader's Champ Champ.
Amanda Nunes is Champ Champ.
tj dillashaw
It's a way to market yourself and get your name out there.
It is a really big deal.
joe rogan
But the term Champ Champ, that is a fucking Conor McGregor That's a Conor McGregor term.
tj dillashaw
He's got some gold behind his touch.
Anything he touches turns into gold.
I'm not a lucky charm.
joe rogan
He's a character, man.
He really is.
tj dillashaw
And I understand that.
I mean, I'll fight Henry Suda at whatever weight he wants to fight.
I have no...
I can't dictate where it goes because I just hope that would just happen.
joe rogan
Well, it seems like the correct weight to do it would be at 25. Because if you guys fought at 35, it's a different ball of wax.
tj dillashaw
100%.
joe rogan
I just think given the circumstances and the fact that you did make the weight fairly, not easy, I would never say easy.
tj dillashaw
I would say easy.
I mean, like I said, it's a lot of work, but dude, I can't believe how actually easy it was.
I mean, it was going through the graphs that Sam showed me and it was remarkable.
I got stronger.
I was putting up more weight.
So the last week before I left, before my fight, I was snatching and cleaning.
More weight than my last Cody fight.
And I was lighter.
So my power ratio was insane.
It almost is unheard of.
But I think it's because of how strict I had to be for those 12 weeks is maybe why.
joe rogan
What was your diet like?
tj dillashaw
What did you eat?
You can't be in ketosis, obviously, because I trained too hard, right?
But no grains.
If I'm eating carbs, it's simple carbs, things like that.
joe rogan
Like fruits?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, fruits, vegetables, sweet potatoes, things like that.
joe rogan
And you're weighing everything out?
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
They do all that.
I'm not doing it personally myself.
Sam and his family do it, the training lab.
They make every meal, every snack.
So I'm eating three meals a day.
I'm actually eating pretty good calories, too.
I'm eating three meals a day, two snacks a day.
But it's also about when I stop eating, my intermittent fasting, me doing my low base while I'm fasting to get my body to be burning 100% fats.
joe rogan
When you said doing your low base, what do you mean by that?
tj dillashaw
My long distance...
joe rogan
Low cardio, slow movements, long sessions.
tj dillashaw
So it's not hard, right?
It's something where I keep my heart rate at a certain variable.
Depending on what my VO2 max is, what my RMR is, there's this crossover where your body starts burning carbs or starts burning fats.
If you're sprinting, you're going hard and hard and hard, your body's going to start burning carbs because it needs to burn carbs to go that hard.
But when you're at a certain level, like, so, for instance, when I started camp, my crossover was at 145. So I need to keep my heart rate under 145 for maybe 45 minutes or maybe now I'm getting closer.
I need to lose more weight.
I need to go an hour.
joe rogan
So 145 is at 80%?
No.
70% of your heart rate?
Must be.
tj dillashaw
Everyone's different.
It depends what your VO2 is.
joe rogan
Right.
tj dillashaw
I don't remember what mine was exactly percentage-wise.
joe rogan
But at 145 is a sweet spot where you're burning fat?
tj dillashaw
At the beginning of camp, but towards the end of the camp, I can go to like 155 because I got in better shape.
I was just in better shape.
I was a better machine to where I could go harder and still be in a fat-burning substrate.
And then he would dictate if I needed to do 40 minutes in a minute, maybe an hour at night, depending on...
We want my body to react and then he's also spiking and taking away my insulin levels to get my because I don't want to be in ketosis always right because my body will crash but I need to be in it to get my body weight down without losing weight unhealthy if I would have waited to last two weeks to crash my weight I would have been dehydrated but all the way up until weigh-ins my body was over 60 60% hydrated most of camp I was 66% hydrated And that's because you don't only get hydrated from the water you drink,
you're hydrated from the supplements you're going to take and the food you're taking in inside your cells.
joe rogan
So when you say you're getting into ketosis, are you doing it 100% through diet or are you taking exogenous ketones?
Are you doing anything else?
tj dillashaw
Just diet and the way I work out.
joe rogan
Diet the way you work out, and then the intermittent fasting is a 16-hour window you're using?
tj dillashaw
We switch it up.
When I was getting closer to fight, yeah.
But when I was further out, maybe like, you know, 14 hours, things like that.
And I didn't have to intermittent fast the whole camp.
You know, just after a certain point where I needed to get my body weight even lower than it was at.
There's this trend that we were following to continue to get my body weight down, and he would implement certain things to force it that direction.
joe rogan
Well, it's just, I've never seen, I mean, I know some pretty well-documented training routines and diet routines, and some guys have really gotten into the weeds with this stuff, but I don't think I've ever seen it like you.
tj dillashaw
Man, I was always into training and doing everything as well as I can and finding every angle I could possibly be to be the best athlete.
That's my competitive edge.
And then when I met Sam, I knew that was my next level.
Right.
And I didn't realize that I had low tests before I met Sam until he tested my levels and did my hair analysis and all that stuff.
I didn't realize what was going on with my body.
I just trained hard.
And I thought I was training smart.
unidentified
Right.
tj dillashaw
And then I met Sam and I took it to a whole other level.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Well, the training hard, sometimes the problem is your body just never really gets a chance to catch up.
Never really gets a chance to recover.
And there's a lot of really good fighters that are doing that to themselves.
Especially wrestlers, they have that mentality.
They just fucking go.
They don't care if they're miserable.
They're mentally tough.
They keep pushing.
And your body just is always behind the eight ball.
You never really get a chance to recover.
tj dillashaw
I was redlining my body.
I was not eating right.
I was working out as hard as I possibly could, pounding the caffeine, and my body was just telling me no.
My testosterone was crashing.
To see where it's at now is amazing.
joe rogan
What did he do to boost it back up?
tj dillashaw
My diet, my supplementation, which all my supplements are food-based for the most part.
I mean, there'll be supplements, but they're aminos and all whole food-based stuff.
Magnesium, zinc.
Oh, yeah.
Magnesium, zinc, tryptophan, ornithynes, glycines, tyrosines, krill oils.
joe rogan
Oh, so branch chain amino acids.
tj dillashaw
All different ways and different times to take them depending on what I'm doing.
The certain kind of creatines I'm taking, my proteins are all organic.
This company, Orgain, I take a lot of their stuff.
They're Everything's tested, organic.
So everything I'm doing is all whole food-based supplements.
And then the way I'm training as well, too.
So he's listening to my heart rate variability when I sleep.
joe rogan
So what are you wearing?
tj dillashaw
I wear a heart rate monitor made by Suunto.
Okay, yeah.
Great company.
Yeah, it's not so much the heart rate monitor that does it.
It's his algorithm that does it.
So every morning I wake up, my phone's connected to my watch.
I send my heart rate to...
joe rogan
What kind of phone?
tj dillashaw
I have a phone, just an Apple phone.
But the app is First Beat, I think it is.
joe rogan
But your watch, it's connected to your Apple Watch?
tj dillashaw
My Suunto watch.
joe rogan
So it's one of those Traverse Alphas?
Is that what it is?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, mine's something like that.
But it connects to your phone through Bluetooth.
joe rogan
And so you're wearing the monitor with the watch.
tj dillashaw
The watch is just on the nightstand, right?
I sleep with the monitor on, and it'll track me all the way through my sleep.
And you mainly want, like, you know, when you get into that REM sleep, and it's like three hours, and it'll automatically wake up, I sync it to my phone, it sends it to his program, and then he's got an algorithm to tell me, like, what percentage recovery I am.
joe rogan
So this is his own...
Proprietary program that he's developed himself?
unidentified
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
tj dillashaw
It's taken him.
I mean, dude, this guy's a genius, man.
I'm telling you, me hanging out with him for two years and I'm finally getting it all somewhat down.
I've learned so much from him.
I mean, I've learned more from him in the last two years than I ever learned through school.
And I was a kinesiology major.
I was clinical exercise science.
I was going to be a physician's assistant.
I was always into the body.
But just going and working out with him in his garage.
little tiny you know garage that it looks like you never think world champions train there ever you know like the aaron picos the one archulettas myself cub swanson like all these badass guys going and training there's just some little garage but i've learned more from him in that garage than i've ever learned through any of my schools and become wanted to become a physician's assistant that's crazy yeah um what did you think of the pico fight Oh, man.
So unfortunate.
joe rogan
Crazy, right?
tj dillashaw
Because he's such a killer that he wants to knock everyone out.
Not only does he want to be the best fighter in the world, but he wants to be the most entertaining fighter in the world.
So he's looking to punish you.
Because he's got so many weapons that he doesn't use.
He's so good, man.
But he lives by the sword and he dies by the sword kind of thing.
He wants to be that knock-you-out entertaining fighter.
He wants to be able to highlight real first-round knockouts.
joe rogan
Which is...
Great.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
But you always have to understand that you are just like the guy right in front of you.
And then one shot, especially in MMA, one shot can turn it all around.
And it did.
It was one of the most shocking knockouts I think I've ever seen.
Because it looked like he looked fucking phenomenal.
He came out there and we knew that he had been training with you for this fight.
He was fucking shredded.
He looked like a world beater.
Went out there and landed that clean uppercut and then got just way carried away.
tj dillashaw
It's unfortunate because you think I'm in shape and I do crazy things.
This guy's putting me to shame.
In Sam's garage, what he's able to do on the bike and just his workout regimen and just how competitive he is, man, he's a world beater.
He could be by far a world champion.
He's so young, so there's some things we need to get to figure out.
Everyone takes losses and hoping one of these is going to spark him to realize how good he is everywhere.
It's just an unfortunate situation.
joe rogan
MMA. Yeah, I mean, guys have bounced back from knockouts and become world champions, unquestionably.
It's just he's got to make sure he doesn't have too many of those, you know, and make sure he fights smart.
tj dillashaw
Agreed.
joe rogan
And use that goddamn wrestling.
tj dillashaw
Dude, it's insane wrestling, dude.
joe rogan
I mean, he's so good as a wrestler, and when he gets that guy hurt, he's collar-tied.
They're grabbing each other by the neck and just swinging shots.
You're flipping a coin.
You're rolling the dice.
tj dillashaw
What, has he got six fights or something like that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
I mean, it's one of those inexperienced things.
joe rogan
And he's only 22. Yeah, I mean...
That's the other thing.
tj dillashaw
You realize when he dropped him, you could have jumped on him, you could have swarmed him, like Henry did to me.
Jump on him and swarm him and look for that finish.
I think the inexperience makes him realize that maybe he's invincible and just...
I don't know, man.
There's things that you kind of figure out when you've been out in the cage longer and longer and you've been around the career, you understand there's ways to finish a fight or how to just be a smart fighter that he'll figure out.
joe rogan
What was the whole experience like being on this ESPN card?
Because that was a historic moment, much like the Cain Velasquez versus Junior Dos Santos fight.
tj dillashaw
Which also stopped the same way.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, no, that was legit.
tj dillashaw
We got controversial.
joe rogan
That was not controversial.
tj dillashaw
The punch, though.
The punch that landed was also behind the ear.
joe rogan
Yeah, same punch.
tj dillashaw
It's one of those things that it just takes your feet off.
If you've ever fought or if you've ever got hit in the back of the head, your feet go off from underneath you, but you're there.
You're 100% aware of what's going on, but your balance isn't there.
Then you have another grown man on top of you.
So, of course, things are going to happen.
But with the ESPN, it was really cool.
The whole lead up to it, they came and filmed.
They were around a lot.
They did a lot of exposure.
The stuff they put out was really cool.
And then just seeing our commercial for our fight on national football on ESPN. Because college was going on.
The nationals was going on and you'd see me and Henry.
Three different commercials on ESPN. I thought that was pretty cool.
joe rogan
No, it was amazing.
It's cool to see.
It's cool to see that ESPN is embracing the sport and that it's getting into it.
There was a lot of hype behind this.
I got ESPN+. I'm not a sports fan.
I don't watch sports.
I don't even know what's happening.
People are like, what are you doing for the Super Bowl?
I'm like, when's that?
tj dillashaw
That's exactly what I did.
I don't have time for it, man.
I'm a Raiders fan, but I don't have time to really watch.
When you think of sports, you think of ESPN. Yeah, you really do.
joe rogan
It's another level of acceptance in the sports world.
The only thing that kind of bummed me out, and I should probably clarify this because I talked about this on the podcast, was the Hardy fight.
And not...
Not even because I don't think the guy should be fighting, or not even because I think...
I don't really know what he did in terms of his past.
I know there's a lot of...
There's a lot of shit, right?
I mean, he was in trouble for something.
There was an appeal and he got off of it somehow.
I don't know.
But I'm only talking about it from a fighting perspective.
You're watching the highest level fights.
You're watching the co-main event.
He's just not ready for a co-main event.
tj dillashaw
Like technically, no.
joe rogan
No way.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
He rushed out.
He gassed out.
He burned himself out.
Crowder recovered.
The way it should be is you should have the early fights are people who are learning the sport.
And then when you get to the last couple of fights, the co-main and the main, you're supposed to be seeing assassins like you and Henry Cejudo.
That's what you're supposed to be seeing.
tj dillashaw
And the crazy thing about our sport is there's a lot of entertainment behind it as well, too.
So if you're hyped up, you get pushed up the ladder.
Maybe you get title fights sooner than you should.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
tj dillashaw
It is.
Because now we're on ESPN. Now we're an official sport.
I mean, we've been an official sport.
But yeah, it should be more on the level like you're talking about of the actual skill level and how you're ranked.
I mean, Cowboy Cerrone and Alex Kidd should have been the co-main event.
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
I was stunned that it wasn't.
I couldn't imagine.
tj dillashaw
They were on ESPN, though.
They wanted to kind of hype up ESPN+.
joe rogan
That makes sense for that reason.
But there's another fight they could have put in place of that.
I agree.
100%.
And again, this is not a knock on Crowder or Hardy.
There are guys out there doing it.
They're trying.
tj dillashaw
They did their job.
joe rogan
They did their job.
They're fighting.
I mean, the ending was super unfortunate.
Again, you don't know whether or not he did it on purpose, whether he had a mental...
You're getting punched in the face.
tj dillashaw
That stuff happens so fast.
joe rogan
It's chaos.
tj dillashaw
I mean, especially because he is so new, right?
joe rogan
Yes.
tj dillashaw
He hasn't been fighting forever.
unidentified
Yes.
tj dillashaw
Like, that stuff just happens.
Like, oh, I got him hurt.
unidentified
Boom!
tj dillashaw
Yes, exactly.
Like, there's things like I've even done in practice.
I'm like, oh, shit, dude.
I'm in practice and I did something.
I'm like, oh, man, that was stupid.
Like, if that happens in a fight, I'm losing a point.
Like, I'm so sorry.
Right.
joe rogan
It just bums me out that this rush to commercialization, that this rush to trying to get the most eyes on it, the people that are watching it, if you watch something where there's two guys who really aren't ready for a co-main event, you're seeing sloppiness and guys getting out of gas real quick, and you're seeing all the things you're supposed to learn early in your career so that by the time you get to a co-main event, you know, you're a fucking assassin.
You're locked down and 100% professional.
You're a real elite pro fighter.
That's what I want to see when I'm watching ESPN. That's what I want to see.
I want to see the best of the best.
I want to see world-class fighters fighting with precision and power and speed and knowing how to pace themselves.
Guys with experience.
They've been there before.
They know how to recover from...
They get cracked.
They know how to lay back.
They know how to hold on.
They know how to do what they need to do in order to win or fight their best.
Instead of like...
You're seeing things, and so many people are seeing this at this point.
tj dillashaw
And I feel like we're getting fans now that are more knowledgeable, like yourself, and people are seeing the sport and understanding technique now, to where before maybe it didn't matter.
You didn't know what bad technique is now, but we get more knowledgeable fans to where they are going to start realizing, like, what was that?
joe rogan
Right.
The last thing you want to see is two heavyweights gassed out.
Yes.
That is the fucking worst.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Do you remember when, was it Ben Rothwell, was it Mark Hunt?
I think it was Ben Rothwell and Mark Hunt fought in, I want to say it's those two guys, but I might be wrong.
See if that's, in Denver.
They made them fight at altitude.
tj dillashaw
I remember the fight in Denver.
I don't know if it was them either, but yeah.
unidentified
It was fucking ridiculous because they're at altitude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they're so goddamn tired.
And the UFC is like, we're never going to do a heavyweight fight again ever at altitude.
unidentified
Was it?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was Ben Rothwell and Mark Hunt.
But then they wound up doing Cain Velasquez and...
Verdun.
Verdun.
Fabricio Verdun.
unidentified
In Mexico City.
joe rogan
In Mexico City, which is even higher.
It's 2,000 feet above...
tj dillashaw
Dan Verdun was smart and went up there early.
unidentified
Yeah, way early.
tj dillashaw
He looked like a killer out there.
Yeah, way early.
And I think, from what I remember, that Kane went out there two weeks before the fight, which actually makes it worse for you.
It'd be better off if you went up there three days before the fight because your body's still in shock rather than going up there in two weeks because now your body's screwed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
You need to be there.
If you're going to be there early, go six weeks or more.
Don't go less.
If you're going to go less, come a couple days because your body's still in shock.
joe rogan
And you see how a fight like that can literally change the course of a fighter's career.
unidentified
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
I mean, it changed Kane's career in many ways, you know?
One loss like that to a guy like Fabrizio Verdun.
You know, he's fighting real soon.
tj dillashaw
I'm excited for that fight.
joe rogan
Against Francis Ngannou.
tj dillashaw
I hope he's healthy.
joe rogan
He has to be.
tj dillashaw
I hope so.
joe rogan
God damn it.
I mean, if he's not, he's in trouble.
tj dillashaw
Because, man, he could be the best heavyweight.
I mean, I think he was the best heavyweight, just unfortunate situations where he didn't get to prove that.
I mean, he's one of the...
joe rogan
Well, I think his thing was that his body just couldn't deal with his mind.
Like, his mind is so strong, and his will and his work ethic is so powerful.
And that goddamn camp of killers up in San Jose, a.k.a.
is just assassin central.
tj dillashaw
And just the years of wrestling.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
I mean, wrestling hurt me more than anything.
joe rogan
Really?
tj dillashaw
Anything that I still do today, even if I get hurt today, it's from wrestling practice.
Wrestling is the hardest thing on my body.
Your neck, your back, your shoulders.
I mean, it's rough.
Sam Calvita's son right now, AJ, he's been on the couch for the last four months.
And it was from wrestling, he hurt his back.
Bulging disc in his back, or herniated disc.
From wrestling, and he's 16 years old.
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
That's a rough one when you're that young and you hurt your back?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, man.
Wow.
joe rogan
What part of his back?
It's lower?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, lower back, yeah.
joe rogan
What's he got him doing for it?
I would always assume a guy like that knows exactly what to do to try to heal something like that.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, so he's been doing it.
They tried doing everything naturally, but he's had to go and get a couple epidurals now to shrink the swelling.
Obviously, it's not...
So it's pushing on a nerve.
And so it's messing with the sciatic nerve and it's hard for him to walk.
He was having to crawl around the house like a dog, like laid on the couch forever.
Now he's starting to walk.
But Sam's got him out in the garage doing pull-ups because that's the only thing he can do because it's a decompression.
You know, he's able to hold onto the bar at least and get some pull-ups in and start to strengthen his back so that it will hold his spine kind of where it needs to be because he's losing insane amounts of muscle mass.
I mean, this kid was...
16 years old, looking good, working out with his dad out in the garage, and then gets hurt, and now he looks like a different person.
I feel bad for him being a 16-year-old kid.
joe rogan
Well, I definitely feel bad that he looks bad, but I really feel bad that he's got that kind of an injury at 16. That's an injury you see with guys in their 20s and 30s, and you realize it's a lifetime of beating on it.
When you get to that when you're 16, that's not good.
tj dillashaw
I dealt with it in my neck in college and then also early in my fighting career, and it messes with you.
I had to get an epidural shot in my neck throughout the front.
joe rogan
Bulging disc?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, I was pushing on a nerve, and I lost like 70% of the strength of my left arm, and it's rough, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was on my way to the exact same thing.
I was getting numbness in the hands and the ulnar nerve, which goes from like your pinky down through your elbow.
I was getting pain in my elbow, but I got real lucky that I found a good doctor, got some spinal decompression and Regenichine.
Yeah, it's that blood spinning procedure.
They heat up your blood and then they run it through a centrifuge and they pull this yellow serum out of it.
tj dillashaw
Is that your plasma, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
We detailed it, what it is.
We showed a thing from the website that shows the stuff they add to it.
It was pretty remarkable and a lot of people with back injuries are finding real real powerful relief for that because not only does it Reduce the inflammation, but it actually really speeds up your healing But for me the spinal decompression was like one of the best things ever Just that harness that you strap on your neck and hang from the door.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
I have fucking things amazing that That click, click, click.
Have you done that one?
tj dillashaw
I have the one that it's not as nice as that one.
I've used it where you pump it up.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a good one too.
tj dillashaw
It's like a little neck brace you put on and it hardly fits on anything and you pump it up and it really stretches your neck out.
joe rogan
That's great too.
tj dillashaw
I'm going to try to get taller.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you definitely get shorter as you get older.
tj dillashaw
That's true.
joe rogan
And that's what it is.
I mean, Eddie Bravo gained an inch.
He's 5'9 now because he had a disc replaced.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, all the years of jujitsu and weightlifting and wrestling, everything is getting squashed.
tj dillashaw
Especially him folding himself in half all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, his lower back was destroyed.
tj dillashaw
I can imagine.
joe rogan
Destroyed.
And also, he's not the kind of guy who balances everything out.
Like, he just kind of does it and then smokes weed because he eats a burrito.
unidentified
Yeah.
So yeah.
joe rogan
So his lower back was just fucked.
Beyond fucked.
It was essentially bone on bone.
And just constant state of inflammation.
He was always in pain.
Like he'd be standing up.
Like if we were somewhere, like say if we went to a bar and had a couple drinks or something like that, he'd be standing up.
He'd be in pain just standing for too long.
And this is a world-class jiu-jitsu practice.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he got his disc replaced.
tj dillashaw
And gained an inch?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Wow.
Well, I mean, he had nothing, and then all of a sudden he's got an inch of disc.
tj dillashaw
Wow.
joe rogan
And it's a titanium articulating disc, so it actually moves around.
It's not fused.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So in the old days, they would take your...
Your two, these, you know, the vertebrae and lock them together and screw them in place and it's a nightmare because, and it puts an artificial load on the upper disc above it and the lower disc because now there's this unusual leverage there.
But instead of that, now they use a disc, an actual disc.
They put it in place and it lasts a long ass fucking time and it moves around like you and he doesn't have any pain anymore and guys are back to rolling.
You know, I know, you know, some real, Chris Weidman actually just got a disc replaced in his neck.
tj dillashaw
I saw that as well.
But Kane had his fused, right?
Because he had back problems.
Was his fused?
joe rogan
He's got a bunch of shit going on in his back.
He's had multiple back surgeries.
I don't know the exact extent of all the different surgeries that he got, but he's definitely got a lot of stuff going on in his back.
tj dillashaw
Interesting to see him.
I hope he comes back healthy and looks good.
joe rogan
Look, man, skill for skill, ability for ability, I think if he's not the best of all time, it's him and Fedor.
And then you always have to mention Verdum, because even though Stipe knocked Verdum out in the first round, Verdum has submitted the best of the best.
He submitted Minotauro, he submitted Fedor, he submitted Kane.
I mean, what the fuck?
I mean, that guy is just...
Verdum's record.
If you just look at who he's fought, he's the best.
In my opinion.
tj dillashaw
And for how long he's been around.
joe rogan
But when did he beat those guys?
When did he beat those guys?
When he beat Fedor?
Fedor was as close to his prime as you can get.
It's hard to say.
The Brett Rogers fight, a lot of people were saying he wasn't as focused for the Brett Rogers fight, but he still knocked him out with one punch.
tj dillashaw
Remember that crazy fucking KO? Anytime.
You gotta be ready for Fedor with one punch.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But Verdum handled him on the ground and submitted him.
I would have loved to have seen what it was like in Pride if he could fight him when Fedor was at his peak, back when he beat Minotauro.
But Verdum, you know, he's overlooked in that argument of who's the best.
And in terms of accomplishments as a UFC fighter, well, it's Stipe.
Because Stipe's the only guy to defend the title four times.
And it really kind of bumps me out that he's out of the conversation right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't hear about a Steve Bay fight.
tj dillashaw
I feel like he should get more attention for this.
He's just a normal guy.
He has a full-time job.
He's a firefighter.
I feel like more people should resonate with him because of that, but they don't.
joe rogan
He's a fucking great guy, too.
tj dillashaw
I feel like he has to be an asshole to get attention these days.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, I feel like if he had beaten DC and he beat Francis, that was a big fight.
Francis came into that fight with a lot of hype.
tj dillashaw
At the Overeem knockout.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Stipe fought like a fucking champion.
Really fought like a champion.
tj dillashaw
Smart.
joe rogan
And he showed Francis.
And look, Francis fought after that.
He was not the same thing.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
When he fought after that and he fought Derek Lewis, you could see he was still fucked up from that last fight.
And he admitted it, to his credit.
He bounced back with the Curtis Blades fight and looked fantastic in that fight.
tj dillashaw
Which is a big one for him because Blades is an awesome wrestler.
Exactly.
Blades is a very athletic wrestler.
joe rogan
He's huge.
He's big.
He's fast.
He's powerful.
That's twice Francis has beaten him.
Twice he stopped him.
That was his first UFC fight.
He stopped him then and he stopped him in this one as well.
Coming into this fight with Kane, there's a lot of questions.
We haven't seen Kane in two years.
It's been about two years.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, it may be even longer.
joe rogan
Let's say when was the last time Cain Velasquez fought?
unidentified
It's been a long time.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you might be right.
I think it might be three years.
tj dillashaw
It's been a while.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
tj dillashaw
I know.
joe rogan
But when he was at the top of the food chain, when Cain was at the top, he would put a fucking storm on these people that was just like a hundred year storm that would never end.
It's like, how does this guy have this kind of endurance?
tj dillashaw
And to see Verdun to do that to him in Mexico City was crazy.
I thought it was going to be the other way around.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was crazy.
You see Cain tired.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
So here we go.
2016. Yep, July 9th.
So two and a half years.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, almost.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And that was Travis Brown, which is just a phenomenal beating.
And that was UFC 200. Yeah.
And they did the Junior Dos Santos one.
tj dillashaw
And the fight before that was a year.
You know, so he's like...
joe rogan
Fabricio, yeah.
tj dillashaw
It's not like he's been active.
Well, he had shoulder surgery.
And in 2013, look at those gaps.
joe rogan
Yep, yep.
tj dillashaw
Dang.
joe rogan
Two-year gaps.
tj dillashaw
Yep.
joe rogan
Two-year gaps, one year, two-year again.
tj dillashaw
That's rough, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is rough.
tj dillashaw
Especially when this is your job and how you get paid.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, right?
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
Lucky's a heavyweight and they get taken care of a little more, but...
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it's just, I wonder how much you could fix all that stuff that's going on in the spine.
You know, I mean, it's one thing if a guy gets a knee, you know, he's got ACL or something like that, you know that you can come back from that.
That's 100% possible.
But back stuff is weird.
It seems like once things start going, it's like a car, you know?
Once a ball joint blows out and the axle starts grinding, you're like, oh, Jesus.
It's like a bunch of shit's gonna go wrong.
tj dillashaw
Something that's your core.
joe rogan
But at his best, man, he was fucking terrifying.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I never saw a heavyweight with that kind of endurance.
tj dillashaw
Man, I remember being so scared of Cain Velasquez when I was a kid.
I think I talked about this last time on your podcast when I was a kid wrestling in college.
Because I was this tiny-ass little white boy wrestler.
And Cain would walk around with just his singlet straps on and shorts.
And he had brown pride tattooed across his chest.
He's just a huge heavyweight wrestling D1 for ASU. I was just so scared of that guy.
unidentified
I was like...
tj dillashaw
Man, look at that guy, man.
Walking around like wandering, probably ripped my head off, has Brown Pride tattooed on his chest, just wearing Justice Singlet straps, just huge.
It's funny.
I remember him forever, man.
joe rogan
Well, you know, him and DC having that kind of a relationship is such a unique situation for the two fighters that they have, you know, another elite guy that's their size and they just smash each other left and right and work with each other.
tj dillashaw
That's what I try to create wherever I go.
And that's what we're doing in Southern California.
I know Juan Archuleta, Aaron Pico's, Cub Swanson's.
We're trying to build a room of smaller guys that we can...
But we don't want to kill each other.
And that's something that I've always had to control myself.
I've always gone really hard and something I've had to learn to control.
But having that room full of killers so that when we go to wrestling practice, you don't know if you're going to have a good practice.
You might be getting beat up on that day.
When you go home and be all pissed off like, shit, I had a bad practice.
I got taken down with this, but that's what makes you better for the next practice.
If you just go to practice and beat up on everyone every day, you're never going to know what you need to change or what you need to get better at.
So...
I think that's why Kane and DC have gotten so good, so quick at MMA that each other to build off of, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, if you can survive it.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you survive it, yeah.
And, you know, like the knock on AKA, some people said they train too hard because they're always injured.
Look at the amount of champions they produced.
Look at the amount of fucking killers that have come out of there.
Luke Rockhold, DC, Kane, Khabib.
I mean, get the fuck out of here.
That place is a den of assassins.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, if you can survive it, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
That's perfect.
I mean, yeah, I mean...
joe rogan
That's the only way, man.
I mean, look, it's not good to spar a full clip like old school Lion's Den days where they used to beat the shit out of each other or the Miletic days.
I mean, nobody knew anything back then.
They didn't know the consequences.
They didn't know what it's like.
Speaking of which, there's an article in the New York Times today that I was reading on a guy that we knew, Jason Harrison.
And it just talks about his CTE and how bad it was.
And, you know, Jason is a guy who founded this clothing company that we know called Kuyu.
And he'd been on the podcast before.
I knew him pretty well.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, it's crazy because something you never would have guessed how bad it was either.
joe rogan
Yeah, because...
tj dillashaw
Every time I see him, he's happy.
He's awesome.
joe rogan
For people who don't know the story, he committed suicide.
About a year ago or so?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, about that, yeah.
joe rogan
And no one outside of it saw it coming.
It was just a giant, crazy blow.
And I was texting back and forth with one of his friends and essentially said, He had a broken brain, man.
It didn't make sense because when your brain's broken, it's like having a broken phone.
It's like having a broken anything.
It's just broken.
It's not working right.
It's irrational.
It doesn't make sense.
tj dillashaw
I couldn't imagine the thoughts that had been going through his head to have that happen.
I was texting him two weeks before it happened, talking about going on a hunt with him and doing this and that, and he's talking about how great the business is doing.
You'd think he's living the American dream.
So it's tough, man.
I couldn't even put myself to have that kind of torture.
joe rogan
He was friends with Donald Jr., Donald Trump Jr., and they hunted together, and he was talking to him just a few hours before.
Everything was fine.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're going back and forth with each other.
Everybody was blown away.
What happened?
How could this possibly happen?
tj dillashaw
Scary thing, more reason for us to be smart as we possibly can with our training.
joe rogan
Yes, 100%.
That's what I was going to get into.
There is a way to train hard but save your body from especially critical damage like brain damage.
There is a way to do that.
tj dillashaw
And Dwayne has been a savior to me because of that.
You know, Dwayne with his experience of fighting and being through the gyms and him probably going too hard himself.
We've learned a lot of hard drilling and live drilling through him that is probably going to prolong my career and hopefully my life.
And not going as hard and just sparring.
Because before Dwayne, when I was at Offmel, we sparred like three or four times a week.
We just went.
That's what we did.
We were wrestlers and that's how we knew how to get better was just go.
And then he came in and started teaching us how to drill and how to really get better in your reaction times and everything with fighting without having to beat yourself up so much.
Injuries were less.
I wasn't getting injured as much.
And I actually got a lot better, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think sparring is critical.
I think it is important.
But I think maybe as critical or maybe more is drilling.
And this is with all martial arts, including jiu-jitsu.
And jiu-jitsu, you know, you do jiu-jitsu.
It's fun.
So everybody wants to just slap hands, punch knuckles, and start rolling.
Because it's fun.
It's like a fun game you're doing.
tj dillashaw
It's a good release.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But the best way to get better at it is to constantly drill.
And then you develop these pathways that are just ingrained in your subconscious.
And so when you're in that half guard position, you immediately go for that underhook.
You know the path.
You know where to go.
Instead of ad-libbing and thinking while you're in the middle of a roll.
And when you see guys that come from camps where they don't drill, they only do like one technique at the beginning of the class, you'll notice a technical deficiency.
As opposed to someone who comes from Hickson School or someone who comes from a school that's very technical or the Mendez Brothers or something.
It's so important to look at the sport, whether it's MMA or kickboxing or jiu-jitsu, whatever it is, but to look at it like a puzzle.
You're trying to figure out what's the best way to solve this.
What Dwayne has done for you It's been pretty remarkable as far as giving you footwork skills and tools to move around and angles.
I've watched you guys drill and train together.
It's really amazing stuff.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, stuff that we think is simple and then we go and teach another gym and they're just like, wait, what?
Can you guys do that like 10 more times?
We need to see that again.
It's like, oh, alright.
So we've just been doing like the footwork I've created with Dwayne.
He wasn't a footwork guy.
When he fought, he was straight forward.
joe rogan
I know, isn't that crazy?
tj dillashaw
And then like he's the one that's created all these angles with me and now we've created a whole new style.
joe rogan
It's so funny that he saw that kind of while he was fighting and then after he was fighting, he's implementing it on new fighters and didn't do it himself.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he laughs about it.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
He wishes he probably would have had someone like himself coach him, obviously.
joe rogan
Fucking for sure.
Yeah.
Everybody does.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a fucking wizard, man.
unidentified
He is.
tj dillashaw
Well, because he doesn't stop thinking about it either, too.
He's like a Sam Calvita.
I'm telling you, I have...
I'm the best coaches in the world around me.
He's like Sam Calvita of striking and MMA. And I'm trying to convince him to come to Southern California and start a professional fight team so that we can help recreate what we do for everyone.
joe rogan
Trying to get him to move out here?
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he loves Colorado.
He does.
tj dillashaw
He does.
But he also loves being the best coach in the world.
So I'm hoping that I can convince him enough that he'll do that.
joe rogan
How close do you think you are to convincing him?
tj dillashaw
I think I'm close.
unidentified
Dwayne!
tj dillashaw
Dwayne, I know you're listening, brother.
You know you want to come to California.
joe rogan
I've never seen anybody with this detailed instruction manual, like the way he breaks down his system for striking.
I mean, it's really remarkable.
tj dillashaw
Even when he comes in here to talk to you, he'll have a system written in his house, what he wants to talk about, what he wants to do.
The guy doesn't stop thinking.
He's on top of his stuff.
He's OCD in a good way.
joe rogan
Yeah, in the best way.
tj dillashaw
In the best way, absolutely.
joe rogan
Well, it's like you were saying about being competitive.
I mean, I think it's, you, the idea that you're going to be this balanced, chilled out person and still be a fucking world smasher.
Good luck with that.
tj dillashaw
I'm the farthest thing from relaxed and chill, you know?
joe rogan
I try to work on it.
But when you're training, there's a mindset that's required to beat the best guys.
And it's not the same mindset that's required to get good.
You can get good and be a chilled out, relaxed person.
Say you want to be a black belt in jujitsu.
That's totally possible.
You can be really good.
People can go, hey, look at Mike, man.
Mike has got a great triangle.
Watch him roll.
Wow, he's really good.
But if Mike wants to be the motherfucker of motherfuckers, you better be crazy.
You better be goddamn crazy.
You better be like Mike Tyson when he was young.
tj dillashaw
Be those Michael Jordans you're talking about that are always thinking about it.
joe rogan
Roy Jones Jr. Yes.
All those guys.
You've got to be a fucking crazy person.
tj dillashaw
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Remember when Roy Jones Jr. played a professional basketball game the day of his fight?
Played a goddamn basketball game the day of his fight.
tj dillashaw
That's a competitive dude.
And he's just an athlete.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, I just don't think there's any other way.
I mean, I think if you're going to win a race, you're going to redline the engine.
I just don't see how you're going to beat the best guy.
Everybody is trying their best.
This is the thing.
There's so much going on there.
I mean, you could have a really good coach, so you have an advantage, technically.
You could have a really good group of guys you train with, so you have an advantage in the environment that you're training in, and there's a lot of inspiration.
But if you're not a fucking psychopath, good luck.
Good luck.
tj dillashaw
I agree with you 100%, man.
I agree with you because that's how I am, though, too.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
That's why I'm saying it.
I mean, people who wonder why you're so fucking crazy, like, that's why you're so good.
There's no other way around this game.
tj dillashaw
I appreciate it.
I mean...
joe rogan
Listen, I appreciate it too.
I mean, for me, as a fan and as a professional commentator, you know, this is, it's important to me.
If there's not people like you out there that are raising the bar, you know, people like you and Henry Cejudo and just, you can go through the list of champions, the great fighters that are around today.
This is the best time in the history of the world to see martial arts.
There's never been better martial arts.
Never.
tj dillashaw
Well, the information is so easily accessible as well, too.
When I was wrestling as a kid, yeah, we're talking about drilling.
I remember being a kid and drilling the same move thousands of times.
You're like, why are we doing this again?
joe rogan
You're so bored.
tj dillashaw
How did I learn this?
But now I understand it being a professional, how important it is.
And now how easy information...
For instance, I created my Fit to Fight program, my online academy thing.
And I'm showing technique that I've learned over my whole entire life and it created me a year to create it.
But I'm giving you information.
When I was starting up, I wish I could have learned from other world champions just by going online.
Or when I was a wrestler, if I wanted to learn Sam Calavita's nutrition plan, I can just go online and check it out.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sam has a whole online program, correct?
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
He has an app he started called Train Champ.
It's on his website, traininglab.com.
joe rogan
Is it Android and iPhone?
tj dillashaw
Is it for both?
Yeah.
It'll go through his workout routines.
It goes through the supplementation he puts me on.
It has certain recipes that I've been on throughout my fight camp.
The first one he created was around me first because we put so much work in to go 25. So we created a whole supplementation and diet plan and workout plan of what I did.
And put it out there accessible for people.
I mean, he even has a...
You can even get a hair analysis on his app.
You send in, like, they send you a little kit.
You cut off on the back of your head where your brainstem's at.
You cut off your hair and you send...
joe rogan
Why are the brainstems at?
tj dillashaw
That's where all your nutrition comes out at.
unidentified
Whoa.
tj dillashaw
That's where all the nutrients from your nervous system will come through.
joe rogan
Who the fuck figured that out?
tj dillashaw
They burn the hair and they get the toxins from it.
That's how I found out I have too much arsenic in my body.
joe rogan
What were you eating that gave you that arsenic?
tj dillashaw
He thinks maybe the rice or maybe my tattoos.
Tattoos?
It's really big in tobacco.
joe rogan
Arsenic is big in tobacco?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Really?
So like if you chew?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, I used to chew in college.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that wouldn't be still in your system, I don't think.
tj dillashaw
Well, your body won't get rid of heavy metals unless you make it to get rid of heavy metals.
You have to do like a detox.
joe rogan
What do you do?
tj dillashaw
So I juice.
I do a lot of juicing.
But I juice like a quarter cup of cilantro every day within all my juices.
joe rogan
Cilantro is effective in getting heavy metals out of your system?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, big time.
And same with methionine.
joe rogan
It's been on burritos too.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
Methionite.
Well, juicing, you actually absorb a lot more of the nutrients when you cold-press juice it compared to just eating it.
I can eat a whole table of fruits and vegetables and I'll absorb more of the nutrients from it if I juice it rather than just eating it raw.
joe rogan
Really?
Interesting.
tj dillashaw
Because your body doesn't break it down the same.
But then I also take methionine.
I don't know how to pronounce it, but it's an amino that helps push out heavy metals.
Chlorella and spirulina will help push out heavy metals.
What else does he have me on?
joe rogan
I tested positive for arsenic back in the day because I was eating too much sardines.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, they're heavy in sardines.
joe rogan
Yeah, but all I did is just back off the sardines and it went away.
tj dillashaw
You tested it again?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
Oh really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
And you never tried pushing it out, huh?
joe rogan
I didn't do shit.
unidentified
Huh.
tj dillashaw
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
How did you test it though?
joe rogan
Blood work?
tj dillashaw
Blood work.
So the blood work, that's the difference though.
When you do your blood, it's only right then and there what's in your body.
So when you do your hormone levels, you have to go in in the morning and get your blood drawn before you eat or drink anything.
joe rogan
Right.
tj dillashaw
Because it's what's in your body right then and there.
But when you do a hair analysis, it's what's in your body the last nine months.
It tells you more what's in your actual body over time.
Because you might have just pushed the arsenic out of your blood rather than out of everything.
At least that's what he told me.
joe rogan
And he's a mathematician by trade?
Is that what he is?
tj dillashaw
He's a calculus teacher at a private school.
The world's best calculus teacher.
He won some award.
His kids that take the placement test, his advanced placement test, they all got 100%.
I think there's a kid that missed one question.
That's crazy.
Just one kid.
There's kids that travel all over the world to come to his school because of his accolades of being a Catechist teacher.
unidentified
Wow.
tj dillashaw
I mean, numbers never lie.
I think that's what was always drawn to his results and his studies is always numbers.
Everything comes back to the numbers of your body, your hormone levels, of my heart rate variability.
Everything's done by numbers.
joe rogan
Wow.
So this is all a system that he devised himself.
Did he...
I mean, does he have a background in combat sports at all?
tj dillashaw
He wrestled.
So he wrestled at Cal State Fullerton.
He was a big time wrestler.
And then he was the world's strongest man.
They did like that at Disneyland.
They used to do the world's strongest man.
And he won for like the nation's strongest man competitions.
He was huge.
He used to be giant.
joe rogan
How much did he weigh?
tj dillashaw
Like 260, 280. And now he's probably like 160, 170 pounds.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, he was giant.
Like you could stack a cup on his chest.
His chest was so big, you know?
joe rogan
I would never guess that looking at him.
He looks like a marathon runner.
tj dillashaw
He is now.
He does Ironmans.
joe rogan
Wow.
tj dillashaw
So I think he had some health issues from getting so big and being so strong.
He decided to switch things up and he just got into his body because he started doing Ironmans.
And he wanted to get better at being an Ironman, so really got into how to train himself.
And now he's done 14 Ironmans.
He's qualified for Kona now.
He's going to do Kona in October.
joe rogan
Wow.
How old is he?
unidentified
I'll say 53 or 54. Wow.
tj dillashaw
I think he just turned 54. Still getting after it.
Yeah, man.
Every day.
I went and worked out with him yesterday.
And then when I got there, he'll get in the garage and he'll do a two-hour bike ride and then get on the treadmill and he's always doing power intervals.
joe rogan
Will he come in and do a podcast?
tj dillashaw
I can kind of talk him to.
He tries to hide everything he does.
He doesn't want his intellectual value getting out there.
He puts a lot of work into it.
And I think he'd be really good on your podcast because some of the guys you come in here, information goes way over your head.
But it's nice to be able to listen to it again and listen to it again.
joe rogan
Right, right, yeah.
tj dillashaw
I'd like to convince him to come on.
I think it'd be really interesting.
I don't know if he would.
He's a real sheltered kind of guy.
joe rogan
What do you think would be easier to do?
Talk Dwayne into moving to California or talk Calvita into coming on here?
tj dillashaw
Man, I think maybe talking Dwayne to come to California.
joe rogan
Really?
tj dillashaw
I don't know.
joe rogan
Just got to get him used to that beach life.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
So he's been coming down.
My fight camp was 10 weeks long with him.
It was longer, but with him it was 10 weeks.
And he was flying out three days a week.
So every Monday he would land, he would leave Wednesday night.
unidentified
Wow.
tj dillashaw
And we would train Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday hard, right?
And make sure to take Thursday off and then do my other stuff while he's gone.
But every week he was traveling back and forth.
joe rogan
That's fucking dedication right there.
tj dillashaw
Dude, I have...
We're family now.
He's lived in my house.
He's on the meal plans with the Calvitas.
He's full bore into it.
He gives me his all.
I'm a very fortunate person to have met Dwayne.
joe rogan
It's an amazing relationship.
tj dillashaw
Our relationship, yeah, how close it is.
joe rogan
It really is.
That's the ideal when you can get a mentor and a student that have that kind of a bond together and you can learn so much.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, and he won't let, like, we have such a good bond now, too, that he won't, like, let bullshit slide.
He won't be pumping me up for no reason.
He won't, like, let me, I mean, I'm not a lazy guy, but if I was, he wouldn't let me, like, mispractice or, you know, I mean, he almost has to pull me back more than anything, but he gives me this true assessment of what needs to be done.
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
I obviously lost to Sudo.
We got home and he instantly texted me.
He's like, hey, I'm coming out tomorrow.
I'm going to work out with Juan, but I'd love to get some work in with you.
Some things we should go over.
I was like, alright.
So I was working out with him three days after the fight.
joe rogan
What did he say about that exchange?
tj dillashaw
He says maybe he needs to change some things on the mitts.
So, for instance, the whole exchange, I think I closed the distance too hard.
Henry Sudha switched up who he was as a fighter.
I think he came out differently, which was great by him.
He's done great things.
I expected him to maybe run a little bit more, and he came out aggressive.
And so getting used to the distance control, not always having a set plan and going for those combos of what I think is going to happen to be able to adjust on the fly.
And maybe me and him, sometimes we are too set on certain things rather than reaction time stuff.
And I need to react to distance change.
I need to react to things like that.
It's hard to really change anything on that fight because I didn't get a chance to see it either.
unidentified
It was so quick.
joe rogan
Now, have you talked to Dana or anyone since?
I know you said that you guys would talk in the future, but it's been about, what, how many days?
It's been about a week or so?
tj dillashaw
It's been about a week and a half.
It's been a week and a half now, yeah.
I haven't heard anything since the day after the fight.
I was texting with him the day after the fight, and he said they had to sit down and figure out what the plan is, kind of thing.
But obviously, everyone knows that we want to run it back, and it sounds like they do as well, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, as far as something that people want to watch, whether it's at 35 or 25, I think people absolutely would like to see that.
I mean, at 35, the big selling point would be Henry gets a chance to become champ champ.
tj dillashaw
Of course.
I'll fight him at 25 and put my 35-pound belt on the line.
joe rogan
I think that works that way.
tj dillashaw
I know, it doesn't.
But I'm saying, if you beat me, I seriously don't even care.
The belts are awesome, all that stuff, and the recognition, all that stuff.
But to me, I want that win back.
I want that opportunity back to even just show...
How much work and how smart I was and how I didn't get hit and I wasn't fragile from being at 25s.
I really wasn't.
I didn't get beat because I was a 25 pounder.
I have no excuses.
I got beat because I got beat, right?
I have no excuses that I was too fragile at being at 25s.
I felt better than I've ever felt in my entire life.
I just want the chance to prove that.
You know what I mean?
So that's why I say that I would give him my belt at 35s if he beats me at 25s again.
But I'll obviously take the fight wherever.
joe rogan
I mean, I think Ali needed Frazier, right?
Sugar Ray needed Tommy Hearns.
I mean, this is the nature of the sport.
And a guy like him, I mean, I think you and Cody needed each other.
I think there's something about that kind of intense rivalry that is so important for actualizing.
tj dillashaw
And Cejudo's a motherfucker, man.
He's good.
He's an Olympic gold medalist.
He's a competitor.
He knows what he's doing, right?
joe rogan
I mean, just arguably from his accomplishments, he's one of the greatest combat sports athletes of all time.
The first guy ever to be an Olympic gold medalist and a UFC world champion.
tj dillashaw
The gold medalist thing, I even hold even higher for him than even being a world champion.
Obviously, UFC champion's huge, right?
But I wrestled my whole life.
I grew up wrestling, and to be an Olympic gold medalist is a fucking huge thing.
I still think today wrestling's the hardest sport I've ever done.
And to see that achievement, especially how young he did it at, I almost hold that higher than him being a UFC champion.
joe rogan
Well, also the fact that he was beat by DJ, he beat by Mighty Mouse in the first round.
He gets destroyed.
He gets kneed to the body, taken out, beaten up, and stopped and humiliated, right?
Comes back, and what was it like, two years later?
I think it was Deez, yeah.
And beats him.
I mean, becomes the fucking champ and beats the pound-for-pound consensus best fighter on the planet and the guy that had held that title from the very first time it was ever brought to the UFC. He's been the only flyweight champion until Henry came along.
tj dillashaw
And that's another reason why I want that fight, man.
You know what I mean?
I know that I'm better than him.
Obviously...
People are going to give me shit for saying that, because obviously the fight, they all think it went down the way it went down, but guess what?
I'm better than that motherfucker, and I want to prove it.
I want the toughest fights.
I mean, that's why I was calling out Max Holloway.
I wanted to beat Henry Cejudo.
I wanted to call out Max Holloway.
With Sam Calvita, I could be walking around 165 pounds with 6% body fat.
Really?
100%.
This guy, man, he can stack the weight on me.
He can take it off me.
I can go...
I have a secret weapon with Sam Calvita, I'm telling you.
joe rogan
It's not a secret.
tj dillashaw
You just blurted it out.
But he won't work with everyone.
He won't do it.
Yeah, if you come to him, unless you fit who he likes, if you fit his image, what does he like?
We work out of his garage.
joe rogan
I know, which is so crazy.
tj dillashaw
He could have a giant facility with all his hard work and science he does, but he likes the grit of having it in his house.
He gets home from work, he's all dressed up in his tie, sometimes we're already there waiting for him and he doesn't even change.
He's out there throwing medicine balls at our face in his tie and all dressed up in his suit from work.
He likes that shit.
He could probably not even be a calculus teacher anymore and just be a strength and conditioning coach.
But that's not what he wants.
He's not in it for the fame and the money.
He's in it for the science and the love of doing it.
joe rogan
I want to see that garage.
Pull up his garage because this doesn't...
Now, I'm thinking about how big my fucking gym out here is.
tj dillashaw
You couldn't even park two cars in it.
It's a small garage.
We have one squat rack.
We have a spot to do like our cleans and our deadlifts.
What he really has is he has three bikes.
joe rogan
So there it is.
That's crazy.
So it's a very small two-car garage that he's got filled with a bunch of murderers.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, he's got like three bikes that we ride.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, imagine walking by if you were a girl.
tj dillashaw
Dude, all the time.
People walk by all the time.
We're in the garage and I'm yelling when I'm in there working out because he's pushing us.
Sometimes our workouts are three hours long.
There's a park across the street and we're throwing medicine balls at each other.
joe rogan
Go back to that last one with Pico, please.
Yeah, you get a chance to see what's in the garage.
So I guess he parks his car in the driveway.
tj dillashaw
Oh yeah, he doesn't park.
That's his sanctuary, man.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
tj dillashaw
He's got these stationary bikes in there where he kills us on.
That's like how we push our lactate thresholds.
joe rogan
So what is he?
He's doing something with bands right here?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, that's for us.
joe rogan
He does a lot of things with bands, right?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, because you get the eccentric and concentric contraction.
He's like, what he's doing right there is for your shoulder stability, your rotator cuffs.
With the jiu-jitsu and the wrestling, your shoulders take a beating.
So that's kind of really just strengthening it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I do a lot of cuff stuff because of all the different injuries that I've had.
I do a lot of band stuff with my, you know, like this way.
tj dillashaw
External rotation, internal rotation stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, bands are great.
Now, why bands though as opposed to cables, like cables with stacks of weight?
Why does he use bands?
tj dillashaw
Probably just what's what we have.
I mean, if you had a nice Kaiser machine in there, maybe we'd use it.
But I think the resistance coming back really, really wants to pull.
The further you extend a band, the harder it wants to pull you back.
To where when you have a weight on there, it's the exact same weight going in and out.
joe rogan
Right.
tj dillashaw
To where the further you extend that band, the harder you make it on yourself.
I think there's just more you can do with it, and it's just very easy and takes up no space.
Right, right.
We do a lot of medicine ball work for our core and for our shoulders as well, too.
Like, catching in weird angles with keeping our balance.
We do, like, a lot of, like, kind of like old school shit, but in a certain way in a certain time.
joe rogan
Yeah, and so how does he get all that shit into his garage?
Does he have to pull stuff out into the driveway?
tj dillashaw
There's stuff on the side of his house.
He's got, like, a little Chessie stack stuff into.
Yeah.
Man, a lot of it, he doesn't need much.
He really doesn't.
There's a lot of work you can do with just body weight.
I mean, we have 100-pound medicine balls.
We've got these big logs.
It's almost like the strongman competitions.
There's a big hill next to his house that he makes us carry these 100-pound logs, and we have the farmers carry them up the hill, and we're doing it with a partner.
When I get up so far, I drop my run back.
I get the 100-pound medicine ball.
I have to sprint up the hill with it.
Things like that where you're pushing your lactate threshold over time.
unidentified
Wow.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
And how does he schedule the training sessions?
Like, how does he know what to have you do and when?
tj dillashaw
Off of our timeframe of when we want to peak, off of my heart rate variability and how my body's reacting to our training, because maybe I sparred and I did mitts too hard with Dwayne, so I wake up the next morning and he realizes, oh, we got to pull back today.
Like, if I push you hard today, you're going to go in such a deep hole that's going to take you a week to come out of it.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tj dillashaw
To where he only wants me to get to that really high peak, take a day off, so that now I can start coming back up again.
To where if I just continue for four or five days just crushing it, going as hard as I possibly can, my body's going to crash so hard that it's going to be more of a detriment to come out of that hole than if I would have just taken a break in between those days.
So our schedules will change.
We have a schedule from the beginning.
So say I'm 12 weeks out.
Like, alright, this is our plan.
This is what we're going to do.
But then maybe I get sick.
Or maybe I trained too hard with Dwayne the day before.
And so he'll realize, alright, this next day let's go a little bit easier.
Even if it's my jiu-jitsu, he knows I'm going to jiu-jitsu practice.
He's like, maybe just drill.
You know, go with Felipe and just make sure it's like a low-base drill.
Like don't get your heart rate over such and such.
Which I don't roll with the heart rate monitor on.
But I can kind of just guess, you know, how hard I need to go.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've never...
Could you?
I guess you could.
unidentified
Does anybody?
joe rogan
Do you know anybody that does?
No.
It seems like it would get knocked off or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
I mean, maybe for drilling.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So when he's got you doing all this crazy stuff like deadlifts and plyos and medicine ball work...
Is there a logic to what exercises are done when?
Because it seems like you're doing all this old school stuff, badass stuff, but my question is always, when do you do that?
Is that done once a week?
Is that done early in the training camp?
Is it done late?
When are you doing strength work?
Because you were saying you were doing cleans the week out.
tj dillashaw
So when I'm doing those, like a week out, I'm doing only a certain amount of reps.
I'm maybe not taxing my body for as long as I would in earlier camp.
Even though I'm going heavy, maybe I'm only doing two sets.
Just to keep my central nervous system strong.
Other than just taxing yourself.
Or there's certain days he needs to get explosive power work.
Or some days I need to do cadence, fast feet cardio work.
And he has that all mapped out on what days are what, what weeks are what, depending on where I'm at in my fight camp, or if I'm going 25s and if I want to stay as strong as I was at 35s, things like that.
Or if I end up going 45s to be able to keep my cardio up.
Because the thing was, if I were to go 45s, I'm going to have to put so much more muscle on.
The worry is that I'm going to lose cardio.
But he wants to be able to keep that lactate threshold and keep my cardio if I'm able to Walk around at 165 pounds.
joe rogan
Now, what other stuff does he have you doing for recovery?
Are you doing any sauna work?
Are you doing ice baths?
What kind of stuff?
tj dillashaw
I have an infrared sauna.
I do red light therapy.
I do...
joe rogan
What do you mean by red light therapy?
tj dillashaw
There's a machine that I have in my house.
It's called a Juve.
It's a big red light.
It's a 680 to 880 nanometer light that I stand in front of it for a certain amount of time to not only increase my testosterone but to help recovery and my mitochondria and my cells and flush my body out.
joe rogan
What does that thing look like?
unidentified
Whoa, look at that.
joe rogan
Dude, you're in the future.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that you?
tj dillashaw
No.
joe rogan
It looks like it.
Dude's jacked.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
But yeah, I have one of those in my garage.
I have an infrared sauna in my garage.
unidentified
How big is that thing?
tj dillashaw
There's new ones now that are huge.
I guess it's as big as my body.
They have ones that go on the back of your door.
They have travel ones you can take with you that's really small.
joe rogan
Really?
tj dillashaw
The reason why I got into it was for increasing my testosterone and the motility of my sperm.
unidentified
Holla!
tj dillashaw
Yeah, because I was having, my testosterone was low, and I wanted to increase it, and I saw this through Matt Brown, actually.
Matt Brown's the one that kind of got me this when I was out in Colorado.
joe rogan
Shout out to the immortal.
He's got some awesome training equipment himself.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, and he's a very knowledgeable, very well-read guy.
unidentified
Very.
tj dillashaw
And you wouldn't, like, people wouldn't guess that.
joe rogan
Well, when I had him on the podcast, that's one of the things a lot of people said.
They go, I thought that the guy was a caveman.
unidentified
Yeah, right?
joe rogan
And he kind of is, but he's also kind of brilliant.
tj dillashaw
He wants to be the caveman, like manly man, but he's very smart about it.
So he's the one that turned me on to that.
And so I got into it and I wanted to increase my testosterone, but I also read about increasing motility in my sperm.
I was trying to have a kid and we're having trouble and this and that.
And it could be that, could have been my diet.
I switched so much up that I can't tell you which one it was, you know, because Sam helped me out.
This helped me out.
I mean, so I'm I'm doing that.
I'll do hyperbaric chamber.
I'll do cryotherapy.
joe rogan
How often do you do the hyperbaric chamber?
tj dillashaw
Only when I need it, because it can mess with your hematocrit.
I do a lot of altitude training as well, too.
I'm trying to increase my red blood cell count and my hematocrit.
And then when you go and you get into a hyperbaric chamber, you're breathing 100% oxygen.
So if I'm in it too much, it will lower my hematocrit, right?
He has the same as an altitude machine he has me use.
It's called AutoLab.
I breathe into it for a certain amount of time.
Again, another program he created.
The company was around, but he created the program that I'm supposed to do to put my body in a hypoxic state for only a certain amount of time.
Because you can overtrain yourself that way as well, too.
To increase my capillaries, increase the vasodilation in my veins, as well as increase red blood cells.
joe rogan
That's amazing because, you know, one of the things that's a big...
Mm-hmm.
you should train at altitude.
And you did that.
You went to Denver, and a lot of people do that, and they find benefits in that.
But the thought process now seems to be that you get more work done at sea level.
tj dillashaw
Exactly.
So I thought the same thing and then I met Sam and I actually felt this but I didn't understand it.
Your body can't recover the same or you can't push as hard at altitude and your body actually gets more dense at sea level when you're working out.
You're able to push harder and your recovery is better.
And same reason why I think sleeping in altitude wouldn't help either, because your body won't recover completely.
So I feel better training at sea level, but I use this Alto Lab for only a certain amount of time, on and off with breathing techniques, and I felt the best benefits with that.
joe rogan
So what does this thing look like?
You got it?
tj dillashaw
It's just a mask and it's got a bunch of cylinders on it and the more cylinders you stack on it, the more it's emulating the altitude.
So it's like breathing at 40,000 feet when you stack a lot of them on there.
joe rogan
So you're hooked up to this thing how?
You have a gas mask on it?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, you could use that where it's just like a snorkel, right?
Or it could be a gas mask kind of thing.
joe rogan
And you're doing it while you're training?
tj dillashaw
No.
Not doing it while I'm training.
I'm doing it while I'm resting.
On certain days, like a certain schedule.
I can't do it all the time.
joe rogan
So this thing, without training, this thing jacks up your cardio?
tj dillashaw
Yes.
It'll help with your...
joe rogan
What do I buy one of these?
So you just breathe?
unidentified
Yeah, but I'd have to give you the technique.
tj dillashaw
Because you can overdo it as well.
And you can end up hurting yourself as well, too.
joe rogan
And how long do you do it for?
It says here 10 minutes or 60 minutes.
And then there's a program, initial 15-day program.
An hour breathing session will produce performance effects that last up to three weeks.
Jesus.
Wow.
So for a 60-minute session, six 10-minute sessions, 10-minute?
What's wrong with my voice?
Six 10-minute sessions or 10-minute intervals per hour.
tj dillashaw
So you do six minutes on, four minutes off.
joe rogan
So six per hour.
And so you're basically doing these intervals where you're just breathing?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, and it's one of those things.
So you have an oxygen reader on your finger that tells you your oxygen levels because you want to put yourself in a hypoxic state.
joe rogan
Right.
tj dillashaw
And there's certain levels that Sam wants me to keep my body at.
He doesn't want me to go too low either because your body will start producing a hormone that tells you you're dying.
joe rogan
Oh, geez.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
So Juan Archuleta, when I first met him, I was coaching Ultimate Fighter, came out and told me, he's like, hey, man, I've been breathing this thing.
Sam tells me to do it.
I'm like, all right.
What do I do?
He's like, just get your levels as low as you can.
I was like, Cool.
I ended up passing out.
You know me, I'm very competitive, right?
I was looking at it, and you're supposed to do it for six minutes, and I'm like, oh, I got like 30 seconds left, but it's getting hard.
I can make the rest 30 seconds.
Next thing I remember, I'm like, seizuring on the couch.
I fling this oxygen monitor off my finger, and then I wake up a couple minutes later, and I'm like, oh, shit, I passed out.
Wow.
Yeah, you don't want to do too much.
joe rogan
Yeah, 40,000 feet seems a little excessive.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, oh yeah.
joe rogan
But it seems like it would be amazing for hikers too or someone who does want to climb Everest or something like that to acclimate yourself to it.
tj dillashaw
The person that started, I think they started it for some sort of disease and obviously everyone runs with it for getting better results.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm buying one of those motherfuckers.
If I can get better endurance just sitting here and breathing.
tj dillashaw
But it's work though, dude.
Oh yeah, you'll sweat sometimes from it too, yeah.
joe rogan
So, it's just because it's hard to breathe with the thing?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, so you want to get...
Yeah, I mean, you're not getting...
And sometimes I'll have to, like, pull off and get some fresh air and then get back onto it.
Like, you want to keep your levels at it because you don't want to go too low.
You'll pass out.
joe rogan
And is it a breathing exercise?
Like, are you doing anything?
Are you pushing?
tj dillashaw
You learn...
Yeah, you learn how to...
joe rogan
Like, breath of fire type stuff?
tj dillashaw
You learn how to get the carbon dioxide out of your body as well, too.
Like, you really learn a lot about breathing when you're doing this thing because you have the oxygen monitor on your finger...
And when you want to increase your oxygen levels, I'll let more air out, right?
But if I want to decrease my oxygen levels faster, I'll take shallow breaths.
And I can learn that I can get my body into hypoxic state faster by doing it.
But then when I need to get more oxygen in my body, I'll make sure to excel more of the carbon dioxide and then breathe in more air.
So it does teach you how to breathe better as well, too.
And then you're creating more capillaries, more lung strength, a lot of stuff.
He's going to be mad at me for probably talking about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Now, are you breathing in through your nose?
Are you breathing in through your mouth?
tj dillashaw
I have my mouth, my nose closed.
I'm pinched off.
joe rogan
Is your nose functional?
Not so good, right?
tj dillashaw
My left is good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Most fighters.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
My right side's...
I mean, I'm a mouth breather.
joe rogan
Have you ever thought about getting it opened up?
tj dillashaw
I have, but I was told that for me to get it done is just going to happen again.
It'll weaken the structural integrity of my nose because my nose inside is just crooked, so I'd have to carve it out.
And so they say it'll just re-happen and I'll have to get it done again.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had it done.
It was one of the best things I've ever done.
tj dillashaw
I've heard you say that.
joe rogan
But it's one of the best things I've ever done.
Ready?
Here.
tj dillashaw
Sounds so good.
Like, I'll be in yoga.
I've been doing yoga the last, like, four days because I've been trying to keep my weight down.
And then it'll make you breathe into your nose and I'm just in the back of the house like...
I'm trying to breathe in.
It's the worst.
joe rogan
When I used to do yoga before I had a fix, a guy would tell me, breathe through your nose.
I'm like, I basically don't have a nose.
You can fart in my face.
I barely smell it.
This thing's useless.
tj dillashaw
Yes, exactly, man.
I hate being a mouth breather at night, too.
I wake up in the morning with the driest mouth.
It's the worst.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, it's just part of the struggle, right?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, hell yeah.
joe rogan
So, cryotherapy, how often are you doing that?
tj dillashaw
When I have the time.
I mean, all Sam's stuff and the training I do is a full-time job, more than a full-time job.
And so it takes a lot, depending on how much recovery I need.
We're looking to open up our own gym and put our own cryotherapy in it so I can use it more often.
We're looking to team up with a company that wants to join forces with us and come into our gym where they have hyperbaric chambers on hand, which I own my own, but I haven't been using it because I haven't hooked up.
joe rogan
What company are you going with right now?
Because have you gone to Cryo Healthcare?
They have the best fucking cryo tanks.
tj dillashaw
Is there like a room or is it like the little one?
It's a room.
joe rogan
The room one is the one you want because the little room one is cold air.
You know the woman who died in Vegas?
Do you know the story?
Uh-uh.
And she did it herself, unfortunately.
And she had it adjusted wrong.
And so it was like below her nose.
And she was breathing in this stuff.
And she blacked out and froze to death.
She was working there by herself, unsupervised.
You're never supposed to do that.
You're never supposed to climb into one of those things unsupervised.
tj dillashaw
I would have never guessed.
joe rogan
The one they have in cryo-healthcare, it's not liquid nitrogen that's on your body.
It's cold air.
So they're freezing the air with liquid nitrogen.
And this is it right here.
I took David Sinclair, who's a professor at Harvard and one of the leading guys in the longevity movement.
And I took them there the other day.
You walk in that chamber and you put a little mask on your face and earmuffs on just to stop frost by 240 degrees.
I'll take you there right now if you want.
We'll do it right when we get out of here.
It's the shit.
It's the shit.
You're in there for three minutes.
I've done the below the neck and it's hard.
It's like, ah, it's cold.
But it's nothing like this thing.
Because your fucking head is frozen.
tj dillashaw
I don't feel like those are the ones that have standard, like the three minutes ones you're talking about, are very hard.
joe rogan
Exactly.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
unidentified
Yes.
Okay.
joe rogan
I'm glad we're going to take you down there.
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
There's a company called O2 that wants to team up with us.
Like I said, they have red light therapy.
We're going to do cryotherapy.
We're going to do float tanks.
unidentified
Nice.
tj dillashaw
I've started doing float tanks since I was listening to your podcast a while ago.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
tj dillashaw
And dude, that seriously, for me, it's like the only form of meditation I can get.
Because otherwise I have too much stuff going on.
I have my phones.
I got people asking me to do this.
People asking me to do that.
It's awesome because you go in there and you have to get rid of everything.
I usually fall asleep.
I usually go in there for the most part.
Maybe like 30 minutes I'll be there and relax.
I'll be meditating, thinking about stuff.
And then eventually I'll wake up like, oh damn, I fell asleep.
joe rogan
Dude, if you're ever around this area, I got one right there.
You can climb in anytime you want.
tj dillashaw
Oh, I'd love to.
joe rogan
Text me.
tj dillashaw
Okay.
joe rogan
I'll open it up.
Yeah, man.
Because this one right here, the float lab version, have you seen this one?
Have you seen the one I have?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It's fucking huge.
tj dillashaw
Okay.
joe rogan
It's giant.
It's seven feet tall and nine feet long.
No, it's huge.
It's enormous.
tj dillashaw
Okay.
joe rogan
And the guy who made it, this guy Crash, he's the reason why there are high-level tanks today.
He's a mad scientist.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
And he's the guy who's behind the float lab.
When you see how extensive the purification system this guy has, he's got like...
Water purification systems that you would use for commercial purposes.
Oh, wow.
Like for a fucking, like a block, like a city block, and it's just for this one tank.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
tj dillashaw
Oh, it's probably pretty expensive.
He's a maniac.
joe rogan
It's very expensive.
He's a maniac.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
And so he makes these insanely overdeveloped tanks.
And when I first got into tanks, it was around 2000, you had these kind of thin plastic ones, which were fine.
They worked.
I had one in my basement.
But then it busted and the water spilled out.
I had to fucking get my basement drained.
It was a nightmare.
And the guy who was fixing the tank told me about the float lab, which is they have a place in Venice and a place in Westwood.
And they were fucking, the whole industry was dying.
It was going away.
And I didn't understand it.
I was like, how is this so awesome, but no one knows about it?
tj dillashaw
It's too much.
joe rogan
Well, it wasn't that.
It was just nobody tried it.
Nobody knew about it.
tj dillashaw
I didn't try it until I heard you on a podcast.
joe rogan
Dude, I can't shut the fuck up about it.
tj dillashaw
Dude, I love it.
It's amazing.
I mean, my life is crazy.
I'm sure everyone's life is crazy.
Mine's insane.
I have too much shit going on all the time.
So it's like seriously one of the only ways I can shut my brain off.
joe rogan
It's the only time you're alone with just your thoughts where your body's not even there.
tj dillashaw
Sometimes that's the reason why I like to take a shit.
unidentified
Yeah, right?
tj dillashaw
Because I'm by myself.
My shits have been like three times longer because I go sit on my toilet and I'm like, ah, yes.
joe rogan
Do you know what the key to taking a good shit is, though?
tj dillashaw
What's that?
joe rogan
Don't bring your phone.
tj dillashaw
I know.
It's the hardest thing, though.
joe rogan
You bring your phone, you start scrolling through Instagram, looking at girls' butts and fucking explosions and animal attacks.
tj dillashaw
That's like the first thing you look for when I got to take a shit.
Like, oh, where's my phone?
I got to take a shit.
unidentified
Exactly!
joe rogan
Exactly.
My kids know.
I grab that phone.
I start walking into the bathroom and go, oh, daddy's going to be there for a while.
tj dillashaw
Me too, man.
It's the worst.
I bet cell phones have created triple the hemorrhoids.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm sure.
Yeah, right?
tj dillashaw
For sure, how long you sit on the toilet now compared to what you used to.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo has very extensive theories on creating hemorrhoids on the toilet, like about what is happening to your ass.
Ask him.
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
He goes into great detail about the pressure of the bowl, that it's an unnatural pressure, like squeezing part of your ass.
tj dillashaw
He needs to create a toilet seat then.
He needs to create his own toilet seat to get rid of hemorrhoids.
joe rogan
Really, the move is those squatty potties.
tj dillashaw
Oh, dude, I have one of those.
joe rogan
Dude, it's like, whoa, I didn't know I had much in there.
It just Woo!
Everything comes flying out.
tj dillashaw
I've seen you had a...
Is it a Toto in here?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Dude, that thing's amazing.
What is it?
Brondell?
Brondell, I think?
Those are the shit.
tj dillashaw
I built a house out in Colorado and I put one of those in my...
I don't want to shit anywhere else.
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
tj dillashaw
It's like, dude, I just only want to go home and take a shit because that toilet seat's way better and it's got the bidet in it.
It's awesome.
joe rogan
So do you rent your house out in Colorado?
tj dillashaw
Nuh-uh.
unidentified
Nope.
joe rogan
You just go out there and visit when you can?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, kind of like a little vacation house now.
I mean, I live in Orange County.
joe rogan
I love Orange County.
tj dillashaw
I do, man.
joe rogan
It's nice out there.
tj dillashaw
I went to school down there.
I went to school at Cal State Fullerton.
So all my close friends I wrestle with are in the same part of their life.
They're all young kids.
They're all in the same area.
And not only that, my family's close.
So I love Orange County.
It's definitely been a great change for me.
But Colorado's beautiful.
joe rogan
How far are you from the beach?
tj dillashaw
Probably a half hour.
joe rogan
That's not too bad.
No.
tj dillashaw
About a half hour from Huntington, Newport.
So yeah, it's nice.
I mean, Yorba Linda is like a family area too.
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
It's like such a nice little cool area.
joe rogan
It's very nice.
Yeah.
Yeah, that whole area is nice.
And Calvita is out in that area too.
tj dillashaw
Calvita lives in Yorba Linda.
Juan lives in Yorba Linda.
Cub lives in Yorba Linda.
joe rogan
Oh, nice.
tj dillashaw
So we got a good little family we started there.
All the guys I wrestle with in college live in the area.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, it's nice to see guys from both organizations, whether UFC and Bellator, training together, too.
I've seen that with you guys.
I mean, Bellator really now is a major player.
They have major talent.
tj dillashaw
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Very interesting.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
I mean, they don't get as much credit, obviously.
They're not as big a promotion, but they have some of the best fighters.
joe rogan
I mean, look, they've got Gegard Mousasi, they've got Rory McDonald.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, Rory McDonald.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can go down the list.
How about fucking Ryan Bader KOing Fedor like that?
unidentified
Crazy.
tj dillashaw
I thought Bader was going to win.
I thought he was going to use his pressure and just wear on him and out-wrestle him.
But yeah, that's crazy.
10 seconds.
joe rogan
Well, he clipped him with that crazy half a jab.
tj dillashaw
It's like a level change.
joe rogan
Yeah, level change, half hook, half jab.
tj dillashaw
I think he was getting Fedor to think that he was going to drop for a shot and then loop the hook over the top.
joe rogan
It seemed like he wanted to get Fedor to do that.
tj dillashaw
Isn't that how he got to knock out the fight before that too, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
Exact same punch.
joe rogan
Left hook.
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
I think it was a level change left hook.
People are thinking like, oh shit, he's coming for a takedown.
joe rogan
Well, as a heavyweight man, he's a motherfucker.
He looks good.
He looks fantastic.
tj dillashaw
His body looks good.
He's huge.
joe rogan
I mean, he looks like a heavyweight.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know, he's weighing 235-ish, somewhere around there, you know, which is a great weight for a heavyweight.
tj dillashaw
I think it's the best weight for that weight class.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's that point of diminishing returns, right?
You get to like 260, unless you're Ngannou.
Well, see, Ngannou doesn't know how to wrestle, so that's part of the problem, but...
But if he did, holy fuck.
tj dillashaw
But as agile as you need to be to wrestle, I don't know if he can move that fast.
joe rogan
He can move fast, man.
That guy moves like a cat.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
He scares the shit out of me.
If that guy knew, if he knew what everybody else knew, I just think he's so physically gifted.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, when you see him punch people, it's a different thing.
It's different.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, just a lunchbox coming at your head.
joe rogan
The power is just preposterous.
It just doesn't even make any sense.
If that guy could get with a guy like Dwayne and start moving and not just rely on throwing hammers, but setting stuff up and switching stances.
I don't know if you can do that with that kind of weight.
How long can a guy like that move around?
tj dillashaw
I bet Sam can get him to move that long.
I guarantee you, dude.
Sam, I'm telling you, if I'm going...
For my body mass, if I'm able to walk around 165 and the lactic threshold he's telling me I can have, I guarantee you you can do it with a big guy like that.
joe rogan
Wow, that would be insane.
Well, there's not a lot of big guys like that.
That's the thing, too.
It's like, who does he have to train with that's going to push him?
That is a giant problem with heavyweights, whether it's in wrestling or jiu-jitsu or anything.
It's finding someone that they can train with that's that heavy, that's that big.
I mean, he's a legit, natural, 265-pound man.
You know what I mean?
tj dillashaw
Well, I feel like if you're getting hit by another 265-pound man, too, it's going to take more out of you.
Even if you're 265 and you're getting hit by another guy that's 265, I still feel like your head can only take so much.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, how much more can you take, right?
Yeah.
I mean, that's the football thing that we were talking about when we were talking about Jason Harrison.
I mean, he was a lineman for UC Davis.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
and, you know, played a little bit in the NFL.
He was a bench warmer, but, you know, was training with those guys.
It's just that you're dealing with gigantic, huge dudes slamming into each other like that.
The force.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
I guess you got to do more of the drilling, what we're talking about, like live drilling, where you're going with partners you can trust that you're going to do 50% sparring.
You're not going to crush each other, but you're going to get that reaction time kind of stuff.
But then you can wrestle hard.
You can do jiu-jitsu hard and get that hard training that way, but then drill the right ways striking, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Now, as far as your recovery stuff, did you detail everything here?
You got the red light, you have your infrared sauna, using like one of those fit spas, which kind of...
tj dillashaw
I think it is a fit spa.
joe rogan
Is that the kind that has like a TV in it?
tj dillashaw
No, it's got Bluetooth for listening to your podcast.
It's infrared, so it's got the red light.
It only gets to 140 degrees, right?
But the infrared makes you sweat from the cells inside out, which I feel is better for the recovery.
I do like the super hot ones.
They do something to you that it's hard to describe when you get out of it, like when it's really hot and you feel great.
But I feel like I get more recovery out of the infrared throughout my body.
Same reason why I use the Juve red light therapy.
joe rogan
Ice baths?
tj dillashaw
No, I don't do ice baths.
They're torture.
But I've done the cryo.
And again, too, I don't do that much of it.
I think mainly I get my recovery from taking the days off I need to.
Most of my recovery, I take more days off now working with Sam than I've ever taken in my past.
When I was working with Duane out in Colorado or at Alpha Male, I would just go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
I thought working more was going to get me there better.
joe rogan
And that's probably why your testosterone was dropping.
tj dillashaw
100%.
I was redlining myself.
And so I take more days off now with Sam, but the days that I'm not taking off are a lot harder.
Just knowing when to cycle those days off.
You have to rest.
And my sleep...
I have a one-year-old, so I created a guest room that I'll sleep in during camp because I've got to get my nine hours of sleep.
And knowing what days I've got to take off.
And those days will be off from training completely.
I'll try to go take my son on a walk, go hang out with my family.
Obviously, I've got less of that this camp because I'm going 25s.
It took a lot more work.
But just making sure to take those days off.
joe rogan
What about massage?
tj dillashaw
Yes.
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
How often do you do that?
tj dillashaw
As much as I can.
I mean, I'll do it.
I mean, I don't think you can do too much of it as long as you got someone that's knowledgeable.
But massage big time.
Something where you can act.
And that's another way to really relax and shut the brain off, too.
Yeah, yeah.
Anything to get my...
Really, your recovery needs to be dropping your cortisol levels.
If you could drop your cortisol levels, everything else is going to go the way it should go.
Which is another thing I test throughout my camp is my cortisol levels.
Maybe I'm doing too much outside of training, like too much sponsorship stuff or my Fit to Fight program or all my other businesses, my Flavor Republic.
joe rogan
Which, by the way, is excellent.
Tell people about this stuff.
This stuff is really good.
You sent me this a while back.
You've got some great rubs.
This is honey garlic.
It's all healthy stuff.
It's called Flavor Republic.
This is a plug, folks, but I'm not getting paid for this.
I just love it.
It's really great stuff, man.
tj dillashaw
I got into it because I met a jiu-jitsu guy.
His name is Kenny Tinney.
He's really big into jiu-jitsu.
He was taking Propecia and it messed up his testosterone levels.
joe rogan
We were talking about this before the show.
It did the same thing to me.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, it messed up his testosterone levels.
So he had to get into his diet to kind of recurve what he had going on because he was taking insane amounts of therapeutic level of testosterone to get his body back.
And so he wanted to get his diet on point so he wouldn't have to take as much tests.
And as well as I teamed up with just an average Joe.
He's just a guy that wants to get into fitness and wants to be healthy.
But us three, we created this because I got into my diet so much because I'm not eating any sugars.
I don't go – I'm pretty much going like paleo, keto.
And every time I wanted to do meal prep or Sam wanted to do meal prep, we couldn't use spices and seasonings because if you look on the shelf, they have like – 14 grams of sugar and a bunch of table salt.
joe rogan
Yeah, we were talking about Traeger.
I love Traeger's grills and I love their rubs.
tj dillashaw
And their barbecue sauces and everything too.
joe rogan
They're so good, but there's some fucking sugar in that shit.
unidentified
A lot.
joe rogan
That's why they're so delicious.
tj dillashaw
Exactly.
And so we created this so that we could do our meal prep and still be healthy.
joe rogan
You got an espresso rub.
tj dillashaw
That's really good on your wild game.
joe rogan
Yeah, I bet.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, it's like a peppery egg.
That one doesn't sell very well because I think it's called espresso rub.
People don't really understand it.
joe rogan
Yeah, espresso blend.
tj dillashaw
So we always need to change it to like a Colombian something, you know?
Because they're like, coffee?
I don't want to put coffee on nothing.
joe rogan
Well, people don't know, man.
We were talking with Ben Greenfield yesterday.
Coffee rubs are fantastic.
tj dillashaw
Awesome.
joe rogan
He was saying that coffee actually reduces the amount of carcinogens on cooked meat.
tj dillashaw
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, having it on the outside that it acts as an antioxidant and reduces...
The amount of carcinogens.
tj dillashaw
The first time I tried it was a piece of meat I got at Whole Foods and it had an espresso rub on it and it was amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
So like we need to make that.
Like I'm telling you like all the wild game I have like it takes away any of the gamey flavor.
Let's get that.
It doesn't sell as well because people don't understand but it's really good.
joe rogan
Are you getting any hunting in?
Do you have any time?
tj dillashaw
I did this year.
Nothing successful.
After my Cody fight in August, I went out in the middle of nowhere in Colorado by Estes Park and hunted by myself.
joe rogan
Oh, that's a nice getaway, huh?
tj dillashaw
Dude, my phone didn't work.
No one could text me.
No one could get a hold of me.
I slept out in the middle of the wilderness by myself under the stars.
Kind of freaky.
I've never done that before, you know?
joe rogan
Shane Dorian was telling me about that.
It was like, you got to do it.
It's pretty crazy.
He's like, it's one of the best things I've ever done.
tj dillashaw
I like hunting with people because you get to get, like, really to know them, right?
Like, you go sit around the campfire.
Everyone splits up.
They go hunt.
You talk about your day.
You get back to the campfire, and you really get to know each other.
And I go with my brothers and my dad all the time.
joe rogan
It's one of my favorite things about hunting.
tj dillashaw
It's the best.
It really is.
And you, like, really get to tell stories and get to know each other.
It's awesome.
But I went by myself for the first time this year, and that was an experience as well, too.
Like, you got, like, just hunting on and doing, like, the wilderness by yourself, like, making sure you don't get lost.
joe rogan
How many days did you go out for?
tj dillashaw
Three days.
joe rogan
So did you backpack in?
tj dillashaw
No, I got to drive in.
joe rogan
So you went to a trailhead?
tj dillashaw
Yep.
joe rogan
And how much are you carrying on your back?
tj dillashaw
It's probably like 40, 50 pounds.
joe rogan
Okay, so you got like a tank.
tj dillashaw
Like a day pack.
Yeah, I got that.
And then I'll just hike back in.
joe rogan
And you have a bow?
tj dillashaw
My bow, yeah.
I really only like to hunt with my bow.
I will do some rifle just when the opportunity comes.
joe rogan
Do you have time to practice?
tj dillashaw
With my bow, I do.
It's kind of another escape for me as well, too.
Maybe my off day.
If the coach tells me to take a day off, maybe I'll go shoot my bow.
Or if I'm in Colorado, I'll take my boat out or go fishing.
Things like that.
So yeah, it's one of my hobbies.
Even if I'm not getting ready for hunting season, I'll just shoot.
Just to shoot.
joe rogan
Dude, next time you come here, you've got to play techno hunt.
tj dillashaw
Is this the one out here?
joe rogan
You haven't seen that yet, huh?
tj dillashaw
I've played it at an archery shop in Colorado.
It's like a 3D hunting art.
It's a video game, pretty much, and you shoot these magnets at the screen.
joe rogan
Well, it's not a magnet.
Instead of a broadhead, it's flat, like the head of a nail.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, it's cool.
joe rogan
And it's a Kevlar screen.
tj dillashaw
It's very realistic, too.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
tj dillashaw
It gives you a score if you get a vital shot or if you wound the animal and stuff.
It's cool.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, for sure.
I'll have to bring my bow next time.
joe rogan
It's super.
Super addictive.
tj dillashaw
I mean, you got the fantasy factory here.
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't even know if I'd go home if I had this place.
joe rogan
Well, now I got a bunch of stuff here for my kids.
tj dillashaw
Oh, really?
joe rogan
So, yeah.
So, like, you see that inflatable thing out there?
My girls are in gymnastics.
tj dillashaw
I figured that was just to judge how far you're shooting from.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
No, that's bouncy.
That thing's all filled up with air.
My 10-year-old comes in here and does fucking backflips and shit on that.
tj dillashaw
But with a concrete around it?
joe rogan
She's a fucking freak, man.
tj dillashaw
Really?
joe rogan
She doesn't care.
tj dillashaw
I'd be scared as shit.
It's like not very wide.
joe rogan
You gotta let them do wild shit.
tj dillashaw
I guess so.
joe rogan
Well, there's the mats out there, too.
The Jiu-Jitsu mats.
She does them on that, too.
tj dillashaw
Okay.
And she does gymnastics?
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
That's hard on your body.
joe rogan
It is, yeah.
tj dillashaw
When I wrestled, we had a gymnastics team, and they were always in the physical therapy.
They were always hurt, their backs, their ankles.
joe rogan
But I think 10-year-olds, it's like, first of all, I just see the shit she does.
She could stand here and take her hands and touch the back of her ankles.
She just bends all the way back, and it's like, how the fuck does your body even work that way?
I look at this 51-year-old, fucked-up body of mine from all the years of beating on it, and it's like...
tj dillashaw
But all the weight lifting you do is going to make you stiffer too.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
tj dillashaw
If you're not knowing what I was doing, just lifting me head style.
Right now I'm training with Sam and we're going heavy just to keep my weight.
I don't know if I'm going 35, I don't know if I'm going 25. Or 45. I'm just keeping my weight where it needs to be and getting a lot stronger.
So he's telling me, we're adding all this muscle, make sure you're doing your yoga.
And that's why I've been doing that as well too.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the other thing I wanted to talk to you about.
Outside of yoga, are you doing stretching?
tj dillashaw
Yes.
joe rogan
How often do you guys stretch?
tj dillashaw
Well, I do a dynamic stretch before every practice.
joe rogan
Before practice is interesting because most people don't agree with that.
tj dillashaw
Well, static.
I don't like doing static stretching before I work out.
joe rogan
So by dynamic, you're constantly moving while you're stretching?
tj dillashaw
Yes.
It's something I've learned from Lauren Landau out in Colorado.
It's something I've added to my Fit to Fight program is I go through a whole dynamic warm-up that I do before every practice.
It's like a walking series, you know, like a walking knee hug, a walking quad pull, inchworms, like things like that.
And like a quadruped series, it'll keep my hips loose, things like that.
I'll do that before every practice.
But then at the end of practice, you do a little bit of, I don't do as much static stretching.
I do more dynamic, kind of like in movement stretching.
You know, same thing as like, I mean, I get more flexible.
I got so much more flexible when I started kickboxing, just from that throwing a head kick, throwing a head kick and just opening your hips all the time.
But before I throw a bunch of head kicks, I need to do my quadruped series to not mess my hip flexors up or my psoas will get tight as shit.
joe rogan
Do you have one of those so-rights?
Do you have one of those?
tj dillashaw
I heard Chandler talking about that.
joe rogan
I got one for you.
unidentified
Did you?
joe rogan
Yeah, I got a gang of them.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
It's a sponsor, so they gave me a bunch of them.
That thing is the shit, man.
tj dillashaw
And you lay on it, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, you can do all kinds of things with it.
tj dillashaw
It hurts.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, it hurts.
But it works.
tj dillashaw
Because I had a so-as messed up for one of my fights before my Joe Soto fight.
I couldn't throw a kick.
So two weeks before the fight, I couldn't throw kicks.
I was like, fuck, man.
I thought it was my back.
My lower back was toast.
I had a massage therapist working on my back, working on my back.
And then finally I got with someone and was like, no, dude, it's your psoas.
And they started digging in my psoas and it was so freaking painful.
joe rogan
Until Chandler brought it up, I didn't even know it was a muscle.
I didn't even know what the fuck that was.
tj dillashaw
Dude, it's a motherfucker to get that work done.
joe rogan
David Goggins had an issue with it as well.
I was keeping him from running.
tj dillashaw
Okay.
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
I mean, it messes up your whole core.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this is a simple plastic device.
You know, you lay on it.
They sent me a box of them, man.
I got one for you.
tj dillashaw
I see it on my Instagram now all the time.
It's a sponsored ad.
And I always, because he's Chandler talking about it.
So I was curious.
Chandler's really into his body and working out.
He's got his own workout program and stuff, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, his Instagram page is good to follow.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
He's a fucking freak.
tj dillashaw
I mean, he looks like a bodybuilder.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's a freak athlete, too.
I mean, he does these medicine ball backflips.
tj dillashaw
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Have you seen Backflip, slam the medicine ball.
Backflip, slam the medicine ball.
Jesus Christ, man.
tj dillashaw
He's a killer, man.
joe rogan
He's another one at Bellator.
Another fucking stud.
I mean, he's one of the best 155-pounders on the planet.
No doubt about it.
tj dillashaw
100%.
I agree with that.
joe rogan
Just they've got to change the name.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
Scott Coker, I love you, but that name's whack.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bellator.
What is a Bellator?
tj dillashaw
I have no idea.
I have no idea.
But I feel like you can kind of feel the difference in the promotion when you go.
They're getting bigger and bigger, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
But you can feel the difference when you're there.
joe rogan
Of course.
tj dillashaw
But you see the talent that's in there and you're like, oh shit.
joe rogan
And they got Goldie over there now.
I miss Goldie.
tj dillashaw
Goldie's awesome.
joe rogan
Shout out to my man.
tj dillashaw
I saw him when I was there.
He always puts a smile on my face.
joe rogan
He's great.
tj dillashaw
I love that guy.
joe rogan
I miss him.
I love John Anik, too, though.
I just think they just don't have the funds that the UFC has.
They don't have the deep pockets.
And the UFC's been around for so long.
They just know how to do it.
tj dillashaw
They just made the right moves.
I mean, look, they're with ESPN, man.
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
I'm so happy.
tj dillashaw
So awesome.
joe rogan
When that was signed, I was so pumped.
tj dillashaw
Just to see.
Think what it's going to be in five years when they're in five years with ESPN. Like how much we're going to be on TV and the shows they're doing.
They're doing this thing too that's like not only are they going to follow the winner around after their fight, they're also going to follow the loser around.
unidentified
Whoa.
tj dillashaw
To get into your life.
Ooh.
Like, I mean, yeah, it's going to fucking suck.
If you think about it, it's like I don't want a camera following me around after I lose, but they want to see how it affects your life.
Like me, I've been, I mean, obviously I've been pretty pissed off about it, you know?
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tj dillashaw
Like me, if I wasn't staying busy with my businesses and my family, like I would lose my mind.
joe rogan
Well, I would like to see that.
Like, say, Brian Ortega after he fought Max Holloway.
He goes into that fight looking unbeatable and gets just touched up.
Max Holloway just touched him up, man.
We really got to see who the fuck Max Holloway is after that fight.
tj dillashaw
His distance control, his pace, his output.
joe rogan
Everything.
He's just a champion.
He's just a fucking champion.
tj dillashaw
His mindset, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's just a champion.
tj dillashaw
He's a gangster, dude.
joe rogan
He's as gangster as they come.
tj dillashaw
I love it.
He's so gangster.
joe rogan
And Ortega's as tough as they come, too, man.
He just wasn't ready for that yet.
tj dillashaw
I think he will be, man.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tj dillashaw
You're saying like that, like you have a camera phone around after a loss.
I think he's looking for new things now, too.
Oh, yeah.
If you're a guy that takes a loss and you don't branch out to do new things, you're never going to get better.
joe rogan
Well, his jujitsu is off the charts.
When he grabbed ahold of Cub's neck, when he got the darts at the end of the first round, I was like, holy shit, it's over.
But the bell rang and he got out of it.
But then the second round, when he jumped on him and grabbed that guillotine...
tj dillashaw
He went over the top of him while they're standing up and clinched and got it and then came down on it and then had it in the air.
joe rogan
It's nasty.
His technique is so fucking sharp.
And he can do that with everything.
I mean, arm bars, triangles.
tj dillashaw
I think he's got a good squeeze cardio, too.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, you know what?
He's real legacy jujitsu.
He comes from, you know, that Henner and Huron camp and, you know, from, that's Horian School and where Hoist was from.
That's the Torrance crew.
I mean, that's...
That's right from the fucking motherland.
And there's a term that some people get offended by.
That term is basic jiu-jitsu.
I'm not offended by that at all.
Because some of the very best guys of all time, whether it's Hodger Gracie or Hickson, you don't see them doing weird stuff.
It's all very standard.
It's not...
tj dillashaw
I mean, there's basic striking.
unidentified
Yes.
tj dillashaw
Like, look at Max Holloway beat Ortega.
He used basic striking to beat him.
Distance control and one-twos.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tj dillashaw
You know, I mean, basics win national titles in wrestling.
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
tj dillashaw
A high crotch.
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
tj dillashaw
You know, a sprawling spin behind.
joe rogan
But it's the level of the basics.
And this is what I was going to say about Max Holloway's jiu-jitsu.
It's like, the level of his basics is just, it's so fucking polished.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
It's like as a person who loves martial arts, for me, when I see someone whose technique is that sharp, I'm like, woo!
That's what I want to tell people.
This is why I get frustrated when I see people that are on their back, and they're in the open guard, and their legs are just kind of sitting there flailing away, and the guy's got his arms on the ground.
I'm like, Jesus Christ, he's giving you arm bars.
He's giving you omoplates.
He's giving you a sweep.
He's setting himself up.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
And people don't know what to do.
tj dillashaw
That's one thing I've added a lot to my game lately is being at Gracie Baja with Felipe De Monica is my jujitsu.
And I haven't got a chance to show you.
I've been talking about it like my Cody fights, but obviously those ended on their feet.
This one, I didn't get a chance to show it.
I was hoping we were going to go to the ground.
Like I wanted to out-wrestle pseudo, you know?
Yeah.
I felt strong.
I felt good.
I was working with Daryl Christian on my wrestling.
My jiu-jitsu has been on point with Felipe, and I've been adding a lot of crazy stuff to it.
Because Dwayne's only been out three days a week, right?
And we kill it while Dwayne's out here.
But then when he's gone, I work on all my other stuff.
So it's forced me to get into my jiu-jitsu a little bit more as well.
And I've been doing so good, man.
I've been wanting to show it off, but I haven't got that chance yet.
joe rogan
Does he have you ranked?
Does he give you a belt?
tj dillashaw
I don't do any gi.
unidentified
You gotta do the gi, my friend!
tj dillashaw
He calls me a blue-black.
unidentified
He's like, you a blue belt, but really, you black.
tj dillashaw
So he calls me a blue-black.
joe rogan
Don't you want to wear the gi just to get a belt?
tj dillashaw
I do.
Out of camp, I always figure out I run out of time to get in there.
The only time I feel like I can go and do gi training is when I'm not in camp, which I want to do.
Until I get a fight lined up, I'm actually just thinking...
I'm going to go and keep my weight down a good way I can do in yoga, but why not go and do some Gi Jiu Jitsu just to do it for fun and show that I can do Gi.
It's fun.
It's a whole other game.
But when I'm in camp training, I need those fast scrambles, especially being on a lighter weight class.
I need the wrestling scrambles and especially finding a guy like Cejudo.
We're not going to do Jiu Jitsu.
We're going to do grappling.
We're going to do MMA Jiu Jitsu.
joe rogan
Right, of course.
tj dillashaw
And so I needed that kind of like fast motion, especially with smaller guys.
joe rogan
Well, especially sweaty and slippery, and you really need gable grips and overhooks.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
The problem with Gi Jiu Jitsu, there's great things to it.
One, you have to be very technical with your defense.
You can't just muscle out of things.
And that's a big shock for a lot of people, like wrestlers in particular.
They're not used to just exploding out of things.
tj dillashaw
Getting out of everything.
joe rogan
And then re-engaging.
And when you get your collars grabbed...
And you're like, ah, shit.
tj dillashaw
Someone's choking you with your own clothes.
joe rogan
Someone has your sleeve and they have your collar.
And you're like, ah, fuck.
I'm locked up here.
tj dillashaw
But it's funny.
It's more realistic for the street fight.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, I was going to say, the last thing you ever want to do is get in a street fight with someone who's a judo practitioner.
John Hackleman had a thing on his Instagram yesterday about that, where he's pointed to the floor of the cage.
He's like, now imagine this is a fight, this is concrete, and this is you.
And someone's getting hoisted in the air.
He's like, take down defense.
Which is so fucking true, man.
So true.
I mean, if you got in a Hector Lombard or something like that as a judo, yeah, there it is.
Imagine this is you and this is concrete.
Fuck!
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially if somebody really fucking throws their legs up in the air and comes down with you.
tj dillashaw
Fighting in the street is so dangerous, man.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
tj dillashaw
It's so dangerous.
Just hitting your head on the concrete.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
tj dillashaw
Someone getting knocked out and hitting their head on the concrete is just so dangerous.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it happens every goddamn day with people who don't know how to fight.
tj dillashaw
Because they watch this shit and they think they can go and do it.
You know, they're like, I can fucking do that.
joe rogan
Get a couple shots of tequila in you.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, the best YouTube videos ever is watching that stuff.
But it's always like, oh, man, that guy might be dead.
joe rogan
Well, if he's not dead, he's fucked up for a long time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think people understand.
tj dillashaw
I think I'll do more jits once I'm done fighting, like gi jiu-jitsu, just to try to get ranked.
You know, I'd like to be a black belt one day.
joe rogan
Sure, for sure.
I'm sure you can make it.
tj dillashaw
Just to have that...
joe rogan
Would you like to compete?
tj dillashaw
I don't know.
When I'm done fighting, I don't know if I want to compete ever again.
I've competed my whole life.
I've competed since I was eight years old.
I've never had a job.
I've had side jobs and stuff, but I've never had a career.
I thought I was going to until I dropped out of school and decided to become an MMA fighter.
My parents were like, you're crazy.
joe rogan
I don't know.
You're obviously crazy, but the most crazy thing is that you had this thing in your mind that you wanted to out-wrestle Cejudo.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, I can't.
It's different, man.
MMA wrestling is different.
It really is, man.
I mean, he's...
Trust me, that would have been a feat in its own, right?
He's a great wrestler, but it's different, man.
joe rogan
But the fact that you wanted to do it...
unidentified
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
I want the toughest tough, man.
Like, I'm...
I live by the sword.
I die by it.
I go out there.
I sling leather.
I brawl.
I want to fight.
I don't have boring fights.
That's why I want to challenge Max Holloway.
That's why I want to beat Henry Cejudo.
I want to be the best.
And to do that, I feel like you really need to challenge your name.
I'm not just talking the talk.
I'm not just doing it to talk shit.
I really want to do it.
joe rogan
Now, where does the 135-pound belt sit right now?
Because you're the champion.
And if you do decide to pursue the flyweight title again...
For everyone else in that Bantamweight division, this is kind of a clusterfuck, right?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, I agree.
We had a big fight on Saturday with Sensow and Marlon Marais.
joe rogan
Yes, huge fight.
tj dillashaw
And they've already fought before too, so we'll see what happens with that fight.
joe rogan
And Cody Garbrandt's fight and Pedro Munoz.
tj dillashaw
That's a good fight as well too.
joe rogan
That's coming up soon as well, right?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, that's coming up in March, I believe.
joe rogan
Is that the Vegas card?
tj dillashaw
Yeah, 235. Yeah.
joe rogan
So there's a bunch of big fights in that division.
tj dillashaw
Yeah.
I'd say the one that really kind of plays a factor would be Asensel and Marlon Marais.
joe rogan
Yes.
tj dillashaw
Right?
Yeah.
Which I have beaten Asensel, right?
Marlon Marais has been looking good as well too, but Asensel's got a big win streak.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tj dillashaw
We'll see, man.
I mean, it depends if I fight Cejudo at 35s, too.
I don't know what's what.
I mean, obviously, I want it at 25s.
He's talking about saving the flyweight division.
Let's pump this thing up.
Let's get it done.
joe rogan
But you don't want to relinquish your 35-pound crown.
unidentified
No, I don't.
joe rogan
So what if they come around and they say, hey, you've got to defend?
tj dillashaw
I want to be active too.
That's also something I wanted to say when I was getting on here because I'm calling out 45s.
I'm calling out this.
But I also don't want to be the guy that's just going to walk away from my belt either.
I want to be the Cowboy Cerrone and be more active.
I haven't been active enough lately.
I've been too long at gaps of fighting.
But because these fights have been built up, hyped up, people get hurt, this and that, I want to be a little bit more active.
I'm always in shape.
I'm always in the gym.
I must be a little bit more of the...
One of my training partners, Juan Archuleta, he fought four fights for Bellator in 10 months.
I want to be a little more active.
That's how I get paid.
I'm turning 33 on February 7th, so my career's not going to last forever.
I want to start collecting them paychecks.
joe rogan
When do you think you're going to...
Do you have a game plan or when are you going to ride off in the sunset?
tj dillashaw
Not necessarily.
I guess when the opportunities that doesn't seem Doesn't seem like it makes sense as well as maybe my health as long as everything's going.
Well, um, I feel healthy um, which the way i've been treating my body is the healthiest i've ever been Um, which is crazy um, so as long as I have the right people around me like my wife and my coaches They'll tell me like look man, you need to hang it up and I feel like I have those people around me Like I don't want to be the I mean, I don't want to talk shit I don't want to be like the chocolate elf fighting because I need it right right another reason Right.
Right.
I've been really smart with my money.
I've been really smart with my investments to where I could walk away, but I have too much to prove right now.
I have too much to get back.
First and foremost, this fight against Henry Cejudo.
joe rogan
I'm glad to hear that you are thinking about that, that you're planning for the future.
There's a lot of guys that have done...
Mike Bisping has planned very well for the future.
There's...
You know, Brendan Schaub's like the fucking gold standard.
He's really taken off since he's decided to retire.
But it's, you know, there's a lot of stuff that you can do.
It's good to see that you're doing this.
And tell people how to get a hold of this.
Flavor Republic Spice Company.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, we're on flavorrepublic.co.
We are on Amazon.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
tj dillashaw
Yeah, you can find us anywhere.
I mean, obviously, a lot of people go to our website to really check out who we are and the story behind us.
I've started my Fit to Fight program at TJDillashaw.com.
joe rogan
And you have an app as well?
tj dillashaw
My app, it's Sam's app that I've created with him.
It's called Train Champ.
It's at traininglab.com.
So there's like a difference.
So if you're into martial arts and getting in shape, my Fit to Fight program is going to not only make you better technically, I feel like it's one of a kind.
It teaches...
MMA for everything.
So kickboxing for MMA, boxing for MMA, wrestling for MMA, and jiu-jitsu for MMA. So it's like more of an instructional thing, but it's also like training programs?
And strength conditioning for MMA, right?
Everything's based around like a fight camp.
That's why it's fit to fight.
Sam Calvita's is like if you're really into your body and want to be healthy, want to get in crazy shape, or if you have goals to gain weight, lose weight, get your hair analysis done and realize what's in your body or supplementation.
They do go hand in hand, but it depends.
If you want to just be more of getting in shape and be healthy, you'll get more information than you can ever imagine off of Sam's app.
When I tell you about stuff, it's hard for me to even explain everything.
His app or his website will tell you more about it.
joe rogan
And your stuff is all web-based, your Fit to Fight program?
tj dillashaw
Yes, yeah.
joe rogan
So, like, iPad, laptop?
tj dillashaw
Yes, my Fit to Fight.
Like, once you buy the Fit to Fight, you get all, like, it's 140 videos.
It's, like, all the cart.
You get them all.
joe rogan
There it is.
tj dillashaw
And I run you through, like, so say we're doing kickboxing today for our workout.
Like, we're in a class.
We're going to do kickboxing drills, and then I'll pair them up with a strength conditioning workout that'll make you better at kickboxing.
Yeah.
Maybe I'm doing some core stuff or some footwork drills, and then I'm doing how to throw a head kick, things like that.
It's a full schedule.
joe rogan
Badass little website, too.
That looks nice.
tj dillashaw
Thank you, man.
It's taken me a long time to build it.
I've been over a year of recording videos and building it, and obviously it's like 15 years of my knowledge of me putting in through wrestling and all my MMA career and stuff, too.
I've been doing that.
I'm doing so much.
I have a company I'm starting.
Well, not starting.
I'm franchising out a cold-pressed juice company in Yorba Linda called Clean Juice.
It's really cool.
I'm opening that up here in the next couple months.
joe rogan
Nice.
tj dillashaw
I am.
I'm really thinking about my future.
I've got a one-year-old kid, and I've got futures of having more kids, and so I want to be able to be around and have my career set up for that.
joe rogan
That's awesome, dude.
Yeah.
Well, listen, best of luck to you.
Congratulations on everything you've done so far, and I can't wait to see you back in there, and let us know when you're fighting again, and we'll let everybody else know, too.
tj dillashaw
Trust me, I'll let everyone know, man.
I really appreciate it.
joe rogan
Thank you very much.
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