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Oct. 23, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1186 - Marques Brownlee
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
Here we go.
Four, three, two, one.
Boom.
First of all, before we get started, I want to say I love your reviews.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
You are my favorite.
You have the...
Well, you and Lou.
I love Lou, too.
But you're so good at covering all the bases of whether it's cell phones or any kind of weird technology that's coming out, and you just...
You just nail it.
You're my go-to guy, man.
marques brownlee
Well, thank you.
That's quite an intro.
I appreciate that.
joe rogan
I really want to tell you, whenever a new cell phone's out, I saw that you walked in with the Red, but that's not your daily driver?
marques brownlee
No, I thought you would like this.
I mean, every phone now is glass on glass and everything.
But this Red Hydrogen One has a lot of weird stuff about it.
It's...
First of all, it's about twice as big as it has to be, but it's from Red, which is a camera company.
Wow, all these buttons everywhere.
Oh, this is a grip.
joe rogan
This is not buttons, this is just a grip.
marques brownlee
Rubberized side grip.
You could probably drop it from 45 feet and it'll be fine.
Throw it across the room.
But the weird part is it's made by Red.
So Red's a camera company.
I use their cameras, I love their cameras, but then they come out with this, which is a phone, which is kind of weird.
joe rogan
There it is right there on the screen.
marques brownlee
Yeah, that's my photo, actually.
So that's next to the iPhone 8 Plus, which is already a huge phone.
joe rogan
What is this metal thing on the back, the brass-looking dots?
marques brownlee
So it's got these pins, and it's supposed to next year support modules that will connect to it.
So potentially...
VR? Better camera, bigger battery, VR, whatever Reds decide to support or make will attach to it.
But it's also kind of...
It may or may not happen for a while.
joe rogan
Yeah, because Jamie ordered one.
When did you order one?
jamie vernon
I think I paid for it last...
I don't know.
Right when it went on sale.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
jamie vernon
So like last August maybe.
joe rogan
Vaporware!
marques brownlee
Yeah.
My official one just shipped.
That's a prototype.
joe rogan
This is a prototype you have here?
marques brownlee
Yes.
So I've worked with Red for...
I've seen a lot of the process since...
I've gotten like eight software updates and this is not final, but like...
It's a pretty good idea.
Yeah, what do you think about it so far?
It's surprisingly good.
A lot of people, like new camera companies or new companies come up and make a phone and it's just not right in a lot of ways.
They kind of took a lot of notes and they went minimal with the software.
I like that about it.
I was expecting the camera to be amazing.
They don't make this sensor, so the camera's not amazing yet.
But I think the modules will make this what it is.
I think the phone by itself is not really a $1,300 phone, but its support for upcoming things that they're planning, I think, will make it good.
joe rogan
Is it a problem when a company tries to get into the cell phone business and you're competing with Samsung, Apple, Huawei?
There's so many companies that are so advanced.
For you to be Red, who's essentially a camera manufacturer, they make video cameras.
Really high-end, for people who don't know.
Really high-end HD video cameras.
A lot of movies are shot on them, films, all kinds of things.
marques brownlee
Even YouTube videos.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, you do all your YouTube videos with it?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is it really that good for you?
I mean, is it worth having a RED camera?
It's a large camera, right?
unidentified
It's heavy.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
It started off not that great, and then I got used to it, and then they got better.
So, it was probably like five years ago that I first started with a RED, a RED Scarlett.
This 4K, 5K camera, and yeah, it's kind of a pain.
But the workflow has gotten better.
They've worked with smaller teams, like individual creators even, to get the cameras now smaller.
It does more in a smaller body.
So it's gotten a lot easier to use a RED for a small team.
Whereas like, yeah, five years ago they were making a RED for a movie shoot with 15 people using it.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So how much do they weigh now?
marques brownlee
I couldn't tell you a weight.
I'd say probably between 6 and 10 pounds.
joe rogan
Oh, it's not bad at all.
marques brownlee
Yeah, because it's completely modular.
You rig it up to be what you want.
So you get that out the box, which is just the brain.
joe rogan
What we're looking at for people just listening, it says Red Dragon on the side.
Why is it called itself Red Dragon?
marques brownlee
We've got some names.
joe rogan
It's pretty clutch looking.
It looks really like a computer.
marques brownlee
So that's what you're looking at is just the computer and the sensor and that side piece right there is the SSD reader.
Everything else, all those pins you see on the top and on the side, that's where you connect what you want to make it The rig.
So if you were doing this eight years ago, you would attach a viewfinder, you would attach a couple monitors for directors, you would attach controls, follow focus, the lens obviously, the mount, all this stuff has to attach to it.
But for just me and my use, I'd use it more kind of like what you might see in another image, which is just a monitor, an SSD, a controller, and a lens.
And that does everything.
joe rogan
So is the idea eventually that this phone is going to be able to do everything that that does?
marques brownlee
So that, I think if you asked Red, they would say yes, but they aren't there yet, obviously.
joe rogan
How could they release something...
And not have an amazing camera on it.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
That seems crazy.
marques brownlee
That I think is what I think a lot of people were super hyped about because obviously RED's good with not just the – they make the silicon for the camera, but they're good at color science and autofocus and all these different things that cameras should be good at.
So when they come out with a phone that has a camera on it, you just kind of expect it to be amazing.
So when it's not the best, I kind of firmly believe this is the best camera.
joe rogan
And that's the Google Pixel 3?
marques brownlee
This Pixel 3, yeah, is the best camera in a phone.
joe rogan
Are you a Google Pixel fanboy?
marques brownlee
At this point, I'm a fan of the camera, which has turned me into a fan of the rest of the phone.
joe rogan
Just the camera alone.
It's an unusual camera in that it only has one lens.
marques brownlee
One camera, yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's one camera where everybody else is going with multiple cameras.
marques brownlee
Two, three, four.
joe rogan
Google's doing everything with software.
marques brownlee
Yes, and I like that about it.
joe rogan
Now, is that the XL? It's the XL. It doesn't seem that big.
marques brownlee
It's kind of not that insane.
I think everyone's into the notch, obviously, which is a little different from what you might see in an iPhone or a Huawei phone or something.
But the software is very Google-y.
The screen is much better than last year.
It's glass and wireless charges.
It's got all these things that last year's phone didn't have.
But the camera is absolutely what makes that phone good.
joe rogan
It's really that much better?
marques brownlee
It is that much better.
joe rogan
What is so good about it?
marques brownlee
Like you said, it's the software.
So what Google does with HDR and essentially their image processing is a big part of why it's good.
You could put the same sensor and glass in another smartphone with way weaker software and it wouldn't look as good.
But what they do with that image processing, it's a rolling buffer of images, so you can take...
It's like instant shutter, so as soon as you press the shutter, it's instant shutter.
You freeze the motion, the dynamic range is great, the detail is great, and photos are amazing.
joe rogan
I was amazed at the low-light photos.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those are stunning.
marques brownlee
Yeah, the night mode.
joe rogan
The best I had seen before that was the Huawei, the Mate...
RS, I guess it was.
marques brownlee
There's been a couple really good night modes in Huawei phones.
joe rogan
Yeah, but this seemed even better than that, and it didn't seem distorted.
It seemed like you realized it was at night, but you could see all the detail.
marques brownlee
Yeah, it's hard.
It's never going to look as good as daytime, but there's a...
I don't have the update yet, but there's going to be an update to the pixel that has night sight or another night mode that does the same thing, where it's taking a bunch of exposures and long exposures and uses stabilization and hopefully gets a much brighter image that looks way better than that.
joe rogan
What would be different from the update?
In comparison to what it does now.
marques brownlee
So right now, if you just take a photo at night, it'll just try to noise reduce.
Like when you take a photo at night, there's a lot of grain.
You're pumping the ISO all the way up.
And when you clean all that noise out, it's kind of like airbrushing the image in that it's going to be softer.
So if you do a lot of noise reduction, you lose all your detail.
It's really soft.
So low-light photos just aren't as good.
But if you can take a longer exposure with better stabilization...
You can not crank the ISO as high, not introduce as much noise, and then at the end of the day have a more detailed, better looking photo.
So that's the theory behind a lot of these night modes.
joe rogan
How do they do that all in software?
marques brownlee
A lot of calibration, a lot of knowing exactly how good the optical image stabilization is in the lens, and then electronic stabilization as well, a lot of algorithms knowing what part of the photo is moving versus what isn't.
So there's a lot of computational photography is what it's called happening.
On the chip that makes it that good.
joe rogan
It's just fascinating that Google is the only one who's doing this with one camera, as opposed to everyone else.
Like my iPhone has several cameras.
I have a Note 9, which I really like.
And one of the other things about Google is it does not have a lot of RAM. No.
marques brownlee
I found that actually kind of an interesting weak point about this phone.
And I haven't even...
I've reviewed it, and I was kind of skeptical about...
It's only 4 gigs of RAM, which, like, a couple years ago...
Wow, 4 gigs of RAM on a phone?
That's amazing.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
marques brownlee
But a lot of phones coming out now have 6, 8 gigs of RAM. Who has the most right now?
A gaming phone just came out with 10 gigs of RAM. Is it the Razer phone or a different one?
No, another one.
I don't even remember the name.
But then there's also an Oppo Find X with 10 gigs of RAM. Do you need that?
No.
You don't need it.
joe rogan
What would be the benefit of having 10 gigs of RAM? Like what software would run?
marques brownlee
Basically the advantage to having more RAM is keeping apps open and running in the background longer.
So if you have your camera and your Twitter and your Instagram and your web browser and all that...
A lot of high, maybe a couple games, all running at the same time, and then you multitask and switch between them.
On a phone with less RAM, you'll find that you'll switch from the game to the browser, and you go back to the browser, and it reloads everything, because it completely garbaged that from the memory after a while, because it was trying to save space.
So on a phone with four gigs of RAM, this happened to me a couple times where I'd be listening to music, and I'd open the camera, and I'd take a few photos, and then the music or the podcast or whatever would just stop.
And it killed that app in the background with only 4 gigs of RAM. I'm not doing that crazy things with multitasking.
joe rogan
Just two things running?
marques brownlee
Just two.
I think it might have been a bug because the camera uses a lot of memory and for whatever reason it just picks the other big memory app and kills it.
It's not very repeatable.
I've had it happen to me since I landed yesterday, like a couple times.
But I think a phone with 6 or 8 gigs of RAM. The last phone I was using for a while was the OnePlus 6. It has 8 gigs of RAM. And that never happened to me.
Every time I'd multitask and go back five, ten apps ago and open it, it was right where I left off.
joe rogan
Is the Google Pixel 3 your favorite phone, or is it just your favorite phone because of the camera?
marques brownlee
It is my favorite phone, period.
And it also has the best camera.
joe rogan
And is it your favorite phone because it has pure Google?
Because you have the latest Android?
marques brownlee
It's the latest Android, which is kind of hard to find.
And then you get, obviously, this pure Google experience and this amazing camera and a great display.
And my priorities on a phone are pretty much along those lines.
I need a great camera.
And then I want a great display, I want good software, and then the rest kind of follows.
joe rogan
And you want pure Google, right?
You don't want to be operating under the Samsung skin?
marques brownlee
I don't mind a skin if it's good.
There's a lot of skins, like OnePlus has Oxygen OS, and it's a skin, technically.
It's close to pure Google, but it's missing a lot of the Pixel features.
But it's fine.
It's smooth.
It's great.
joe rogan
Is OnePlus running the latest Android?
marques brownlee
No.
joe rogan
No.
Who is?
It's Essential phone?
marques brownlee
So OnePlus, I think, just got the Android P update.
Essential just got the Android P update.
And then everyone else is on, like, one version ago or older.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Why is that a pain in the ass for them?
Why can't it be universal?
marques brownlee
I have a bunch of theories on why they don't update their software as quickly as they probably could.
I think a lot of it in the U.S. especially has to do with carriers.
When you want to push a software update to a phone on Verizon, for example, not only do you have to rewrite the software and optimize it and everything, but then you have to submit it for certification from Verizon.
Verizon has to push that update.
That whole introduction of the third party through the carrier is a huge pain in the ass.
And then on top of that, I know a lot of people who, when they get a software update, actively avoid installing it.
They just don't want So, a lot of teams or a lot of manufacturers just don't.
They support the phone for a year or two and then that's it.
joe rogan
But for folks like you, for the power users, that's big.
That's a big thing, having the latest and greatest.
marques brownlee
Definitely, yeah.
That's why I'm a fan of phones that keep the skin light and update quickly, which is what you'll find with Pixel and Essential and OxygenOS and stuff like that.
joe rogan
And that's really it.
Samsung takes a long time to get to it.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
Yeah.
As great as Samsung phones are, they definitely are not first to get new software.
joe rogan
They're trying to do it quicker, apparently, what I've been reading, but I guess there is a bunch of issues.
marques brownlee
Always a bottleneck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Now, when you compare phones, do you have a checklist of things that you have on a computer, or is it just all off the top of your head?
Do you have a rating system that you use, a personal rating system?
marques brownlee
I don't have a rating.
I do have a checklist of things that I definitely pay attention to every time.
I go through screens, displays, and battery life.
and how good the camera is and things like that.
But I never come to a rating out of whatever.
I used to do that a long time ago, but I stopped because it's kind of like a never-ending.
You'll never get a 10 out of 10, basically, because if you ever give something a 10 out of 10...
The next one's going to be better, right?
So how do you put that on the scale?
joe rogan
10 out of 10 for October 2018?
marques brownlee
Can you say that?
Yeah, I guess you'd be like, this is the best phone.
Like I said, if I say this is the best phone right now, then maybe that's not a 10 out of 10, but it's like the best you can get.
But that line just keeps moving, so I don't give things numbers.
joe rogan
See, for me, the things that you said that would be a pain in the ass, that your music would shut off because you're using the camera, that's kind of big to me.
marques brownlee
That's a pain in the ass, yeah.
It's not a 10 out of 10 because of, I think, the memory is a problem.
The notch is bothering some people.
It doesn't bother me anymore.
It just kind of...
Blends in.
I don't really look at the notch, so...
joe rogan
Have you gone into the developer settings and fucked with the removal of the notch?
marques brownlee
I tried it.
It wasn't that big a deal.
joe rogan
Yeah, it just makes a big black bar over the top.
marques brownlee
Yeah, exactly.
And you just lose the screen you paid extra for.
joe rogan
Yeah, that seems silly.
I don't mind it on the iPhone.
Mostly I use the XS Max, this one right here.
But I'm so sour on Apple because of what they did with the batteries.
That was such a dirty thing to me.
Because everybody had always suspected it.
Like my friend Brian was always like, dude, I'm telling you, when the new phones come out, your old phone starts moving slower.
I'm like, dude, that's a conspiracy.
That's all horseshit.
I'm like, your phone's just old, bro.
But then when I found out that it was real, I was like, you assholes.
marques brownlee
The problem was the way they didn't tell people.
They could have just avoided the whole PR, whatever you want to call it, by just telling people, look, this is what we do when your phone's getting older.
We need to preserve either the CPU or the battery, so we need to either voltage down the CPU or save your battery.
Pick one and give us a choice.
They didn't tell us until people started suspecting things and they had to make a statement.
And then it looked kind of dirty and hidden.
joe rogan
I don't buy it.
I think it's a trick to try to get you to buy new phones.
marques brownlee
There's no way they didn't think about that.
joe rogan
Of course they thought about it.
marques brownlee
There's no chance they didn't think about that.
joe rogan
Why else would they do it that way?
Why else wouldn't they just let the battery be slower?
Or let the CPU be slower?
marques brownlee
And the best part is they give you the choice now, but if you never look for it, you'll never find it.
And they definitely still default to saving your battery by underclocking a chip.
So your phone will still slow down if you don't know where to find that option in the settings.
joe rogan
As soon as the new phones come out.
marques brownlee
Basically.
unidentified
You motherfuckers.
joe rogan
It's just dirty!
marques brownlee
It seems pretty dirty, yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's the thing that everybody always suspected.
Everybody always suspected there was some sort of engineered obsolescence.
They're doing this on purpose to get you to keep buying the newest, latest, and greatest.
But I wanted to go, nah!
Apple?
Come on.
Apple wouldn't do that.
They're your friends.
marques brownlee
They paint this picture that's really upright and like, we want you to have the best experience as long as possible, which involves not replacing your battery, which means we'll just slow down your phone just a little bit so that it lasts longer and the battery can keep up.
Makes sense on paper.
joe rogan
On paper?
Well, there's a lot of things about Apple that I really like.
I really love the OS. I really love it.
I mean, it's just so much better than Windows.
But their keyboard sucks so bad on their laptop.
marques brownlee
Yeah, all the laptop, yeah.
unidentified
Clicky.
joe rogan
It just doesn't feel good.
donald cerrone
It's got shallow travel.
joe rogan
There's all these issues.
I switched to a Lenovo.
I went with a ThinkPad.
Just for stand-up, I have to write a lot.
And I found out that I write way slower, like maybe 10 words per minute slower.
marques brownlee
Huh.
joe rogan
It's a real issue.
Because you make a lot more mistakes with those little shallow, clicky things.
And with the Lenovo, you have much more travel.
It's much easier to touch type.
It just feels better for me.
But that bums me out.
It's like, why can't they get that right?
You're making these things for creative people.
That's your whole thing.
It's like, think different.
marques brownlee
That's another thing I kind of got...
It's, again, like what Apple tries to portray themself as versus what you're actually experiencing.
If you never listen to Apple and you get the new laptop, you're like, wow, this keyboard's worse.
This sucks.
Why is this keyboard so shallow and mushy?
And then you're supposed to listen to Apple and they're like, well, we made it quieter.
We made it thinner.
So the laptop's thinner now.
And they'll give you all these reasons why they did what they did.
And you're supposed to go, oh, okay, yeah, that actually makes sense.
Maybe this is better.
But your experience often says the opposite, so that's why people like to not listen to what Apple says and just...
joe rogan
Evaluate it without listening to that particularly for writers for someone who writes And you write on a regular basis you want a comfortable keyboard and you know I've Constantly searched for the best keyboard right now.
I think it's probably the ThinkPad but I've heard great things about the Razer the Razer Pro which is the really large gaming one it has a mechanical keyboard for the first time ever on a laptop and Yeah.
And that's supposed to be really good.
marques brownlee
I have tried the Blade, and I've tried...
What I'm using right now is the Surface, the Microsoft Surface Laptop 2, and that's got a pretty good keyboard.
joe rogan
Yeah?
marques brownlee
It travels a lot, it's backlit, and then the actual laptop part itself is not metal.
It's got like Alcantara, like you might see inside a car, like a soft touch on the laptop.
Really?
Yeah, so it's kind of like...
unidentified
Oh, pull that out.
joe rogan
Go grab that.
marques brownlee
I'll go grab that.
It's kind of...
joe rogan
Alcantara?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like fake suede?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Like what you see in a car.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's the craziest shit I've ever heard in my life.
Alcantara.
Yeah, the Razer...
Pull up that Razer Blade Pro, too, if you get a chance.
We'll look at the Surface first, because he's going to go grab that.
But the Razer Blade Pro is also...
It's an enormous laptop, and it has the...
Yeah, that's it right there.
The Razer Blade Pro is so big and wide that it actually has the mouse on the side, like a trackpad.
This is it, huh?
marques brownlee
So that's the Surface Laptop 2. Oh, wow.
joe rogan
How weird.
marques brownlee
And the keyboard's pretty good.
joe rogan
It's like a polished Alcantara.
unidentified
Ooh, that feels good.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
The question though, whenever you see that material, is like, if I'm putting my palms on that all the time, how long will that last?
Will it start to like thin out and look kind of worn after a while?
Or will it stay looking like that?
I hope it does.
And also the whole laptop is matte black, which is, I think that looks dope.
But that's also usually a fingerprint magnet.
When you carry around like a matte black thing, you get like all this grease on it or whatever carrying it.
So like that's a challenge for that laptop, but I love it.
joe rogan
The other thing about the difference between the keyboard on this versus...
The keyboard on, what I have is, I have the Lenovo Carbon X1. And what I really like about this is that there's, they're not flat.
They have like a little bit of a, like a dip to them.
So your fingers sort of sit in them a little bit.
Yeah, there's like a little bit of a...
marques brownlee
Yeah, that's smart.
I wish more, so like you kind of, it's easier to, oh yeah, it's easier to touch type when you have like the spot, yeah.
joe rogan
Why don't people figure that out?
marques brownlee
I think all of it is just you get used to it.
Like, there's a Google tablet that came out recently with a $200 keyboard accessory that has circular keys and slightly concave.
But, like, typing on it was fine.
And, like, they claim, like, oh, yeah, once you get used to it, like, the surface area of the key being circular makes it easier to type faster after a while.
joe rogan
Huh.
marques brownlee
I don't know if I buy that yet, but...
joe rogan
Maybe if you were a secretary and you're really...
marques brownlee
You're really used to the circular.
It looks like a typewriter when you just look at it.
joe rogan
Which one is it?
Pull that thing up.
marques brownlee
That would be the Google...
What do they call it?
Something tab.
It came out the same time the Pixel 3, and their naming is weird with them.
But it has basically a Surface-like $200 keyboard magnet accessory.
You can prop it up at any angle, and it goes from a tablet to a laptop with this keyboard dock.
joe rogan
Huh.
marques brownlee
And then it's kind of interesting.
But the circular keys I found weird.
joe rogan
That Alcantara on the handrest feels amazing.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's really nice.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think I'm going to get used to that.
marques brownlee
I've been using a MacBook Pro for so long, the contrast is...
I was really used to having metal, and metal feels premium and good.
It's not going to wear down.
But I like this a lot, actually.
joe rogan
Well, what metal doesn't feel good, though, is on your hands when you're sitting on it for a long time.
The edges.
Yeah, the edges.
marques brownlee
Yeah, they kind of got the edges right, where they wrap the material around to the sides.
The MacBook Pro is literally sharp.
joe rogan
Yeah, it cuts you kind of.
marques brownlee
If you put your hands on the edge for too long.
joe rogan
This Lenovo is carbon fiber.
marques brownlee
Nice.
joe rogan
So this whole thing is...
marques brownlee
It's not cheap, though.
joe rogan
No, it's not cheap.
In comparison to a Mac laptop, though, it is.
And there's way more options.
That's the other thing.
With a Mac, you get like a 13-inch, you get a 15-inch, you get a touch bar, or you get nothing.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's the matter, Jamie?
marques brownlee
Pixel Slate.
jamie vernon
I just had it there.
The picture changed.
joe rogan
Oh, these motherfuckers.
marques brownlee
That's what it's called, though.
Pixel Slate.
jamie vernon
There it is.
joe rogan
Oh, there it is.
marques brownlee
Okay.
joe rogan
So those are the keys.
marques brownlee
Those are circular keys.
joe rogan
And that sort of connects to the tablet.
marques brownlee
It's a great accessory.
Like, the magnet on the back, like, I don't know if you've seen a Surface, the tablet with the little kickstand, you kind of have, like, a couple notches where you can adjust it.
And I think the new version has infinite adjustment, but this is the same thing.
Like, there's a magnet in the back of the Surface, or the Pixel Slate.
That lets you adjust the tablet to any angle, watch videos, type, whatever.
joe rogan
Apple's the only company that makes keyboards that I know that had it better in like 2012 than they do in 2018. If you get a 2012 MacBook, you go, ooh, this is kind of better.
There's more travel.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
You might think it's like an upgrade if they went backwards.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Yeah, I agree.
joe rogan
That's goofy.
marques brownlee
What the fuck?
joe rogan
I don't know how they did that.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're so design oriented.
I mean everything looks stellar.
marques brownlee
That's what it is.
Apple has been Not a victim of their own desire to make great design, but they often, very often, make compromises, sometimes to the detriment of how good a product can be, to make it look better.
Classic example was the Mac Pro, the little circular trashcan-looking Mac Pro that came out in 2012 or something like that.
They made all these promises.
It's this sleek, modern workstation that's going to have the Xeon chips and big GPUs.
And I loved it, but it only had one fan for a $7,000 workstation, and they constantly overheated and would throttle, and eventually it was a nightmare for them.
joe rogan
Wasn't that something that was going on with the latest laptops?
With the latest MacBook Pros?
marques brownlee
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Same thing.
Same thing.
They made the i9.
The Core i9, they put in this super thin laptop.
They made this laptop so thin, and they kept the fan speed so low, because it's got to So they just throttled the CPU down so it wouldn't get so hot that they had to kick up the fans that high.
joe rogan
So the actual performance, even though the CPU is more powerful, was not as good as the last model.
marques brownlee
Right.
That's fucking stupid.
Which was to make it look good.
Exactly.
So yeah, Apple's been a victim of their own desire to make things so beautiful.
joe rogan
And then they got fucked by Huawei because Huawei came along with the MateBook.
And the MateBook Pro is really a better version of the MacBook.
marques brownlee
I'm into it, yeah.
joe rogan
They fucking nailed it!
There's no bezels.
The way that webcam pops up from the button...
marques brownlee
That I found interesting.
I don't know how...
joe rogan
It's a weird angle.
It's like up your nostrils.
unidentified
Exactly.
marques brownlee
It's like on the table level of wherever you're sitting.
unidentified
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Kind of looking up at you.
joe rogan
That's very odd.
marques brownlee
But yeah, there's a lot of great things about that.
joe rogan
Pull that thing up.
MateBook Pro, Huawei.
But meanwhile, it's probably spying on you all day long.
Sending information to the Chinese government.
marques brownlee
Yeah, Huawei's reputation is not so hot.
joe rogan
They just found some spy chip in their cell phones.
marques brownlee
Oh, you're talking about the...
Well, there's a couple things that just happened with chips in hardware.
There's another thing about...
A Bloomberg report?
Did you see that?
Yes.
Of the chips that came from all these, this server company, or this company that makes the chips that sells to all these big companies like Apple and major, major companies, and now everyone's compromised.
And Apple's like, nope, not true.
Definitely not true.
Don't say that.
joe rogan
Of course, not us.
marques brownlee
Yeah, no, 100% not us.
But like, yeah, that's a really weird story.
joe rogan
Look at this Matebook.
The bezels.
They're almost non-existent.
That is a gorgeous website.
Or a gorgeous laptop, rather.
marques brownlee
If you're Huawei and you make that, now you have to convince people to switch from the MacBooks that they love to that.
joe rogan
Yes.
marques brownlee
Just on looks alone, they could probably do it.
But then there's all the other features like, well, it doesn't run Mac OS X. Do I have iMessage?
joe rogan
Right.
marques brownlee
Do I have all these other things that I like about my Mac?
This huge touchpad.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, it does have a huge touchpad.
marques brownlee
Yes, but I'd say to this day still Apple has the best laptop touchpads, the multi-touch stuff.
joe rogan
The battery life is supposed to be excellent as well, right?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
Look at it.
That chart was perfect because that's like all these X's for that.
Yes, we have great design.
We have better ports.
You only have USB-C on that little MacBook Pro.
We have full-size USB. We have all this stuff.
We'll give audio to the MacBook Pro.
It's got bigger speakers, whatever.
But we have a better battery life.
We have all this better lower price, all this stuff.
And you still have to reconcile with...
What people love about their MacBook Pros, which is Mac OS X. Well, there's that, but there's also people love having an Apple product.
That too.
joe rogan
They do love that.
marques brownlee
If you could put an Apple logo on a Huawei, I wonder how many they could sell.
It'd probably be a little better.
joe rogan
Sell the shit out of them.
Some comic has a joke about texting a girl, and the text message comes back in green.
You go, damn, she's poor.
marques brownlee
It's a true thought people have.
joe rogan
Yes!
People want iMessage.
If you're messaging someone and you find out it won't send an iMessage, it'll only send a text message.
You're like, oh, this weirdo.
They have a flip phone, like some cave person.
marques brownlee
I've been on the other side of that.
I carry an iPhone, but I text people on my Android phone.
So I've never been on the...
Judging side, but I wonder about that every day.
Like, really, what does it matter?
Like, I text you with a green bubble, which Apple decided, first of all, to differentiate iMessage versus text message, which is hilarious.
Who cares?
joe rogan
Well, the blue does look better.
marques brownlee
I'm sure they decided to.
I'm sure in a software update, they tweaked that green to make it look extra harsh.
joe rogan
Well, you know what it is, is they figured out with pool tables a long time ago.
Like pool tables, the cloth generally is green, right?
But when they started playing in professional tournaments, they realized that blue cloth is actually easier on the eyes and you can differentiate the edges better.
So, a lot of, like, really high-end professional matches are played on blue cloth now.
It's like a light blue sky blue cloth.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
I've seen, and that's, I guess, because of the way your eyes work.
unidentified
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Like, something about primary colors and the cones and you're more contrast sensitive to blue, something like that.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, it's something about the way white contrasts with green is not quite as pleasing as white contrasting with blue.
But it could be that Apple's fucking with you with the green.
They're giving you some vomit green.
marques brownlee
Make it some brown color next year.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
The color of the app is green.
Why wouldn't they make it blue?
I messaged the app.
That button you pressed to open it is green.
marques brownlee
It's a green logo.
jamie vernon
Why not make it blue?
joe rogan
That's really true.
Yeah, what the fuck?
That's a very good point, Jamie.
Yeah, why do they do that?
Why would it be green when you're sending blue messages?
Apple.
marques brownlee
That's weird.
joe rogan
You dorks.
Steve Jobs is dead.
You guys are fucked.
You don't know what you're doing.
marques brownlee
Design.
joe rogan
But the MateBook, other than that, it's supposed to have a better keyboard.
It's supposed to have a keyboard that's probably similar to that Surface Book.
And it's supposed to have better battery life.
marques brownlee
Bezel-less.
joe rogan
Yeah, bezel-less.
marques brownlee
Touchscreen.
joe rogan
Touchscreen.
marques brownlee
Higher resolution.
joe rogan
But you've got to deal with Windows 10, which is a little bit of a pain in the ass, I've got to admit.
It's like the updates are almost daily.
There's something going on with firmware or something going on with this or that.
marques brownlee
I've gotten used to it, mostly though because most of what I do on my laptop is pretty web-based.
So I'm just living in Chrome or Safari or whatever, so it's not a big deal.
But then, yeah, once I have to go out and...
I'm going to go in Lightroom and do some photo work, and then suddenly I'm digging through files, and I'm in Windows, and then you start to feel like you're different.
joe rogan
Yeah, the first time you have to update a driver, you're like, what is it, 1996?
What the fuck is going on here?
Updating drivers?
marques brownlee
I try to avoid that.
joe rogan
Ew.
It's just...
They're close, though.
Like, it's way better than it was five years ago.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, five years ago, you would look at Windows.
You'd be like, this is like some archaic, pixelated...
marques brownlee
Came from Vista to Windows 7 to Windows 10. Vista was kind of that nightmare, and then they kind of have worked upwards since then.
joe rogan
I started with Windows 95. I used to make my own computers back in my hardcore video gaming days.
marques brownlee
Nice.
joe rogan
I used to go to Fry's Electronics and get motherboards and the box and fans.
marques brownlee
I started that online.
So I never went to a physical computer store to buy parts.
But I would have to do the whole cross-referencing what's compatible with what online.
And then put together a whole list and then just buy it.
And then nine boxes show up.
And hopefully they all work.
But yeah, it was the same experience.
joe rogan
Yeah, and SLI video cards and connecting them with that cable.
marques brownlee
You ever mess up and break one?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
But fixing it makes you feel like you did something.
joe rogan
Well, there's something going on when you're like the jumpers for the motherboard and you're moving stuff around.
It was cool.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then once you actually got online with a computer, you made yourself like, this is something about this.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I remember when you used to be able to do that with Apple.
You used to be able to buy clones.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
Way back in the day, still in high school, I had a Dell XPS 730, I think it was called.
This huge desktop where, again, you could take the CPU cooler out, put a new one in.
It was modular fully.
And then Apple also made this huge desktop, this Power Mac, or I don't know what it was called at the time, but it was, again, massive.
You could take the graphics card out, put a new one in.
You could take the RAM out, take the CPU out, but it was, like, this weird system where, like, they were on, like, decks and you had to, like, take this big metal slot out and then do the CPU there and then put it back in.
It was really satisfying to, like, change the hardware and, like, yeah, I did that.
And then you boot it up and it's like, that's exactly right.
joe rogan
Now it's got 8 gigs of RAM. Yeah, especially, I don't know, I think it's a man thing, too.
Men like changing carburetors.
marques brownlee
The mechanical feel.
unidentified
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Yeah, that's probably a lot to do with it, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it.
marques brownlee
That thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember that sucker.
marques brownlee
I think even one generation after that, because it had basically elevator levels to it, like the top level and then the bottom level and then the hard drives and the power supply and the top, like all that stuff.
And you can mess with that.
joe rogan
If you go over to someone's house and they have that now, you're like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
marques brownlee
But that's the thing about, like, that was the most accessible, modular desktop Apple ever, ever made.
And now they're making this promise again, like, alright, we listened, we know that little trash can Mac Pro was not good, thermally or design-wise for anyone, so we're gonna make a modular, professional desktop Mac Pro again.
That's what they said.
And it's going to be next year sometime.
And I keep picturing that.
I picture them going back to the roots of a real bonafide desktop.
Because right now, the most powerful Mac you can get is the iMac Pro.
And you can't even update the RAM in the iMac Pro.
joe rogan
Really?
marques brownlee
You can't update anything about iMac Pro.
unidentified
Really?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
What you buy is what you get.
If you buy a $7,000 iMac Pro, you will have that spec forever.
Apple doesn't want you opening anything in that thing.
So when they say, yeah, we're going to make a modular, updatable, real, well-designed Apple desktop, I'm like, I really hope they're doing that.
Like, exactly.
Because that's...
I love that.
joe rogan
Do they have regular towers anymore?
No.
No.
Everything's an iMac?
marques brownlee
They had that little trash can and then the Mac Mini, which is the longest since they've ever updated it.
I'm hoping they update it at the event this month.
But the Mac Mini is the only other tower they made and that's got laptop internals.
So not really a true desktop.
joe rogan
So everything, is that just because of technology to advance the point where you can kind of fit everything in the big screen of an iMac?
marques brownlee
I mean, the iMac, they have those desktop internals in it, but you're still going to be restrained by how closed off that space is, how many fans they can fit in there.
So if they really want to do a true desktop, they've got to open it up and make it huge, which is not very like Apple.
So it's going to be interesting to see what they do.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What year is your laptop over there?
That's an older one, right?
jamie vernon
This is the last one before they added the track bar.
marques brownlee
The last one that glows.
joe rogan
It's like 2015. Does yours have a dip at all to the keys?
jamie vernon
Yeah, very small.
joe rogan
But that's all you need.
All you need is a very small dip.
jamie vernon
It's not flat.
joe rogan
As soon as they went with flat, they fucked up.
There's a company that refurbishes 17-inch MacBooks.
The big one, the Mac Daddy.
marques brownlee
They used to have a 17-inch laptop.
joe rogan
They refurbish it and put a modern CPU in it.
They put a big SSD drive, like a 1TB or 2TB SSD drive.
So you deal with a solid-state drive, so it instantly fires up.
Much more RAM, much more everything.
marques brownlee
Yeah, that's what they call a desktop replacement laptop.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
I was into that for a while.
That's actually how I started my channel, was I bought a 17-inch laptop.
And I was trying to figure out which one strikes the balance of where I want to be with taking it off the dock once in a while and walking around the house maybe, but planting it back here and it's my desktop and it's a 17-inch screen.
That was where I started.
joe rogan
I ended up with HP. If you're at the airport and you have a cancelled flight, you could get a workout in.
unidentified
Just lifting that thing in front of you, go to the side, go to the side.
marques brownlee
That's the other thing.
I was on the plane with this.
This is a 12-inch screen and every time the guy in front of me leaned back, he just smacked my laptop.
I had to move it.
You really need a 9-inch screen probably to get away with.
joe rogan
That's 12 inches?
Can you flip that around?
marques brownlee
It's a 12 or 13 inch screen, but it's like a taller 3 to 2 aspect ratio.
So it's not like the smaller 16 by 9 screen would be underneath where that guy was hitting my screen.
joe rogan
So most of the bezel seems like it's on the bottom.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
It's your chin at the bottom here.
I mean, it's a pretty good sized bezel, but I'm still hoping for a bezel-less laptop.
joe rogan
Have you ever thought about going with the Huawei?
marques brownlee
Not really, mostly because I switch laptops so infrequently that I was just like, if it's not massively better than the MacBook Pro, I don't really feel the need to switch.
This came on my radar in the last, like, two weeks, and I decided to try it.
And it's been worth the shot.
I'm really into it.
I'm probably going to switch back to the MacBook Pro in a little while once I start to run up against things.
This doesn't have USB-C, which is sad.
joe rogan
That's weird.
marques brownlee
And eventually that's going to bite me.
And when I do, I'm going to want to switch back.
joe rogan
A new Microsoft laptop that doesn't have USB-C doesn't really make a lot of sense.
marques brownlee
It doesn't.
At all.
joe rogan
Why'd they do that?
marques brownlee
I have no idea.
It looks great.
It's a great laptop.
It doesn't have...
The charger is this weird...
It's not like MagSafe, but it's this slot charger thing where it goes in and out easily, but also doesn't have a card reader.
Really?
Yeah, a lot of things that I kind of hoped a laptop would have.
joe rogan
Yeah, this thing is everything.
marques brownlee
This thing is regular USB, USB-C. This has one full-size USB port, a headphone jack, and what looks like...
joe rogan
This has HDMI. Yeah, this does not have that.
I'm a big fan of this thing.
And then they make a 15-inch version of it as well.
This is the, I guess...
unidentified
I don't know how big that is.
marques brownlee
So what do you do, like, mostly on the laptop stuff?
joe rogan
Mostly writing.
Writing and then getting online.
Just online bullshit.
But no software, really.
I'm not really running anything other than writing programs.
Microsoft Word, which is native, right?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, you could probably get away with any number of I like to do photo editing a lot, and so basically I have to have some way to read memory cards.
MacBook Pro doesn't.
It just has a lot of USB-C ports, so I just have that dongle, plug in the USB card reader, and then I'm good.
This one, I'll have to get a USB card reader also for it, and then get Lightroom, and then I'm good.
joe rogan
You'll have to get a regular USB card reader, which is like five years ago.
marques brownlee
A little less common.
It's still easy to find, but eventually it'll be like 2020, and I'm like, I don't want this in 2020. Yeah, that Razer Pro, the Razer Blade Pro that we were talking about, what's interesting about that is it has a trackpad on the right-hand side, like a mouse, like as if the mouse is on the right.
joe rogan
And then it has this enormous keyboard, and a mechanical keyboard, which I'm a really big fan of.
I like those clicky, mechanical...
marques brownlee
It's a true desktop replacement.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at that thing.
marques brownlee
Yeah, it's massive.
joe rogan
Plus, look at all the cool colors.
marques brownlee
It's so pretty.
I have the 15-inch with the RGB. They love their RGB. I still...
That's such a Razer thing because they have a phone now.
I don't know if you know the Razer phone.
unidentified
Yeah, I have it.
marques brownlee
The Razer phone, too, has RGB glowing backlight.
It's hilarious, but that's their own aesthetic.
joe rogan
What does RGB stand for?
marques brownlee
Just red, green, blue.
Oh, okay.
Like the fact that you can cycle between colors or whatever at any time.
Yeah.
It's almost pointless.
It's technically a backlight, which is useful, but other than that, you're just kind of getting into the gamer aesthetic, which is pretty fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it's a fantastic thing if you're into games.
That thing, literally, you can play high-end games at very high frame rates.
I don't know what kind of battery life it has.
marques brownlee
It's probably not that great.
joe rogan
It's a 4K. But so much juice and so much screen.
marques brownlee
So that's a 4K laptop with a desktop GPU in it.
joe rogan
So there's a 4K model versus a full HD model?
marques brownlee
And I think the 4K has a lower max frame rate, if I'm not...
joe rogan
So what is the difference in full HD model?
marques brownlee
So I think the full HD model is a higher...
Yeah, 120Hz 1080p or probably 60Hz 4K. Yeah.
So if you're gaming, you'll probably go with the 1080p, but then you get your higher frame rates and you'll enjoy games better on that.
But if you're photo editing, then you'll probably go with the 4K and you get that desktop power.
Or video editing, for example.
But I don't think the battery life would be very long on a 4K laptop.
joe rogan
It seems hard to imagine.
It's so big.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, find out what it says in terms of the battery life.
jamie vernon
So is welcome.
joe rogan
Like, if you're just playing a game and you're not plugged in, you're kind of fucked.
marques brownlee
Yeah, if you're that guy, you're walking around with the power cable all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
100%.
You're walking to a new room, plugging it in, and then setting up there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Which is better than a desktop, technically.
But yeah, you're walking around with the power all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, better than a desktop technically, but is it as powerful as a desktop?
unidentified
Almost.
joe rogan
Like, if you get a real gaming desktop.
marques brownlee
Almost.
I think their goal is to get as close to a desktop as they reasonably can, and then give you the ability to take it places quickly.
joe rogan
What does this say about the, uh...
Oh, you fucking motherfucker.
Disabled...
marques brownlee
Every website ever, man.
joe rogan
Everybody's pop-ups.
Ugh.
So gross.
Look at this world we live in now.
Why do I want notifications from your website?
marques brownlee
I saw a great GIF the other day.
Am I saying that right?
GIF? Of like every website where like you go onto this...
You don't even get to the content.
It's just...
joe rogan
Three hours, 52 minutes battery life.
marques brownlee
Yeah, that sounds about right.
jamie vernon
Movie test.
marques brownlee
For just watching a movie.
joe rogan
That's still pretty hilariously low.
marques brownlee
So that means you're at 100%, you watch a movie, and then it's dead.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's hilariously low.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because if you watch a movie on a MacBook Pro, you've got plenty of juice left after that movie's over.
You might be able to watch three or four movies.
jamie vernon
There you go.
Where's the battery?
marques brownlee
99-watt-hour battery.
That's actually a huge battery, but still.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's one of the things that I like about, not this model of Lenovo, but some of the Thinkpads have a swappable battery that you could swap while it's on.
marques brownlee
Oh, that's old school.
Oh, what?
joe rogan
Yes.
marques brownlee
Oh, yeah, I used to be able to do that.
Yeah, that's definitely rare.
unidentified
Two batteries.
joe rogan
There's an internal battery and there's an external battery.
So you pop out the external battery, which is a big, thick band in the back if you want to get the full jammy that goes like 25 fucking hours.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if you pop that sucker out, you could do it while this is still running.
And it doesn't shut off.
Pop the new one in.
jamie vernon
Bam!
marques brownlee
Hot swapping.
joe rogan
Hot swapping.
marques brownlee
But I haven't had a laptop with that since like seven years ago probably.
It's been a long time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think ThinkPads are mostly business oriented.
I mean, that's really mostly what people are using them for.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's, you know, there's that balance of like, what are you looking for?
Like, are you looking for something that can do everything?
Are you looking for something that's just, I mean, most people, for a lot of people, you could really get by with one of those Google Chromebooks.
It doesn't have much storage at all.
marques brownlee
that's where i'll probably end up getting my parents into a lot like if your parents or grandparents don't really need much of a computer but all they need to do really is email someone maybe go to a website or two watch an online movie you just need a web browser so like a chromebook is great yeah so much is in the cloud yeah you know i mean so many people keep their photos in the cloud they keep it as long as you have an internet connection you're good you're good but in terms of like local storage yeah
that's that's another one of the things about especially when i was talking about this phone not only does it only have four gigs of ram it also only has 64 gigs of storage That's it?
There's a 64 and a 128. And there's a lot of phones now that have like 256, 512, and then expandable storage via microSD.
And the reasoning Google is giving, which I actually subscribe to, is everything just goes through the cloud.
Like, the only thing I keep offline is my Spotify library and podcasts.
So my whole Spotify, whatever, is like 30 gigs.
And then whatever podcast I have is a couple more gigs.
I don't need a 512 gig phone for everything I usually keep offline.
I have a couple big apps, but not really.
And then all the photos I take get uploaded automatically to Google Photos in full resolution.
And I never really have to keep all of them locally.
So every photo I've ever taken in full resolution is on my phone, even though I only have 128 gigs of storage.
joe rogan
Now, when you use the Google version of whatever iPhoto is, iPhoto uploads everything to the cloud.
It's really simple.
When you get a new phone, everything loads up to it.
Does the same thing happen with Google?
marques brownlee
Same thing.
Google Photos.
joe rogan
Basically just as good?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
And you can use it on an iPhone, which you don't have to.
But yeah, Google Photos.
I have Google Photos on my iPhone.
So every time I take great photos on this phone, they're on my iPhone.
joe rogan
Oh, that is actually nice.
marques brownlee
So having the app is pretty useful.
joe rogan
That's nice.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I know there's a thing that's one of the things that people really love about iPhones is that airdrop feature.
That's very nice.
marques brownlee
Yeah, that's one of the best Apple-only features.
joe rogan
Yeah, but don't they have an Android?
There's an Android drop, too, now.
I know that because I've used it to send things from my Samsung phone to my Apple phone.
unidentified
Possibly.
marques brownlee
It's not like a first-party thing.
NFC is useful when I want to send something between two Android phones at NFC. But this is something I recently...
I wasn't really using AirDrop until recently.
And then I was like, oh wait, I do have a Mac and an iPhone.
I can just transfer files back and forth.
And we started doing that in the office a lot.
We have a bunch of Macs and iPhones in the office.
So we started passing files back and forth.
And then one day I was trying to do it on my Android phone.
I was like, wow, this is like a bummer.
I have to go into like Dropbox and upload it and then download it.
And just this couple extra steps were a pain.
And it made me really appreciate how good AirDrop is.
joe rogan
AirDrop's pretty good.
Apple's really good at making things super simple.
Like you don't ever really have to update things until the OS updates and it's pretty rare.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Everything works really good.
You don't really even worry about viruses or anything like that.
There's a lot they do that's really excellent.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I feel like they're running on the momentum of Steve Jobs' maniacal vision.
You know?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don't you, kind of?
marques brownlee
There's been a lot of Apple's changed or Apple's not the same since No More Steve, which is true, obviously.
But they're also like, their momentum, like how can you not?
Like they're insane.
They're a trillion dollar company now.
They continue to make iPhones that look the same that they did before.
Nine years ago, like, why not?
And if people keep buying them, of course, they'll probably never have a reason to change a lot of those things.
joe rogan
It's just a different kind of company now before.
I mean, he was generally regarded as an asshole.
Like, just a crazy...
Whip cracking.
marques brownlee
Micromanaging.
joe rogan
Yeah, just a nut.
Like, there's that famous thing of him trying to use, I forget what the device was, but it wasn't working during one of his...
marques brownlee
Oh, on stage.
Yeah, I remember that live.
joe rogan
And he threw it.
marques brownlee
Yeah, he was like, it was casual, but it was hilarious.
joe rogan
There was anger to it, though.
marques brownlee
Well, because someone definitely got fired within minutes of that happening.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
And that's happened on stage.
Like, things mess up on stage.
Like, Yeah.
It's going to happen.
A couple years ago, there was an Apple event where I'm pretty sure Steve was on stage trying to get something to work, like in a demo.
And if you've ever been or seen an Apple event, the entire audience or half of it...
Half of the audience is just people typing, like, blogging, like, exactly what's going on.
So they're all connected to the internet.
They're live blogging.
Yeah, so Steve is like, get me one that works.
joe rogan
Look at his face.
This is the thing.
Like, back that up a little bit and give me some volume.
Look at this.
unidentified
Here, take that.
Okay.
joe rogan
Well, let an expert see if he can turn it on.
There's an anger.
Well, you know, he was like, you motherfuckers!
unidentified
How is that my speech?
marques brownlee
After the show, he was definitely doing that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
marques brownlee
Yeah, so there's another event where something wasn't working, and he's like, I need everyone in this room to turn your Wi-Fi off so that this will work.
I need everyone to stop blogging, close your laptops, get off the Wi-Fi, and then this will work.
And it was kind of like a couple minutes of like, haha, that's funny.
Maybe, is he serious?
And like slowly, like everyone did close their...
He's like, everyone get off the Wi-Fi, everyone close your computers right now, and this is going to work.
unidentified
And he did it.
joe rogan
What was the issue?
marques brownlee
I don't remember exactly.
It must have been some wireless related getting something to load or work.
But that was pretty hilarious to me.
joe rogan
I feel like if you want things to operate at the speed of Apple when he was alive, you kind of have to be a fucking crazy asshole.
marques brownlee
Yeah, you have to have that next level.
First of all, you need a vision of what you want it to be, and then you need to be insane enough to try to get people to do that.
joe rogan
Well, he also was, according to, is this it right here?
marques brownlee
Oh, Safari demo, yeah.
unidentified
I'm sorry guys, I don't know what's going on.
jamie vernon
It's a four minute video, but this is...
marques brownlee
Yeah, so it's failing to load...
joe rogan
So everyone's using the local Wi-Fi, and the Wi-Fi is just getting taxed.
marques brownlee
The event Wi-Fi is getting crushed.
joe rogan
Someone said Verizon.
unidentified
Yeah, fuck AT&T. Yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah, he was just having Wi-Fi issues with that.
See if I can find the moment where he said it.
unidentified
Mmm.
marques brownlee
Yeah, 20 minutes later.
unidentified
Now, before I begin number six...
So yeah, I don't know. - I know our guys were running around like crazy backstage as you might imagine.
We figured out why my demo crashed.
marques brownlee
Why did it crash?
unidentified
Because there are 570 WiFi base stations operating in this room.
Okay?
We can't deal with that.
So we have two choices.
Either I've got some more demos that are really great that I'd like to show you.
So we either turn off all the stuff and see the demos or we give up and I don't show you the demos.
Would you like to see the demos or not?
marques brownlee
I think everyone's hoping he'll just, like, try again and they don't have to turn it off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, damn.
marques brownlee
And the whole crowd is everyone...
The only reason they're there is to live blog.
unidentified
Yeah.
marques brownlee
So, like, alright, one last tweet, because Steve's telling me to turn the Wi-Fi off.
jamie vernon
30 minutes.
That's for FaceTime.
joe rogan
That's another thing.
Like, FaceTime is another proprietary thing that Apple has.
It's really excellent.
And it's built into the contacts.
It works perfectly.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, just everyone with an iPhone, you can do it with them.
marques brownlee
Just pow-pow.
I... Like, that's a massive...
That and iMessage are, like, two of the biggest reasons people refuse to even try an Android phone.
So I'm like, alright, well, clearly Google's mission should be to get iMessage on Android, right?
Like, that should be, like, a...
And Apple will never let that happen.
They know that they can hold people hostage on iOS as long as they want if they can't get iMessage anywhere else and FaceTime and things like that.
joe rogan
iMessage, FaceTime, AirDrop, walled garden.
marques brownlee
Yep.
joe rogan
Wonderful walled garden of Apple.
marques brownlee
I made a whole video about this.
The whole ecosystem, it's real.
It's a real major advantage.
joe rogan
Yeah, it really is.
And they've got that nailed.
They really do.
marques brownlee
Google's tried to make their own versions of these things, too.
joe rogan
Well, just like they try to do Google +, and everybody was like, yeah, good luck with that.
I have a friend who was an executive of Google.
It was hilarious.
She was always telling me how great Google +, is.
I'm like, that shit's dead in the water.
marques brownlee
The thing is, Google +, even though only, like, nine people used it, it was great.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
marques brownlee
It was really good.
Like, all the things that they let you do that I wish Facebook would let us do, of, like, Sharing with certain groups of people and, like, all these different things with circles.
It was kind of a shit show with, like, how they did it.
But it's good.
Like, it was good.
Anyway, so it's going to die now.
And that's kind of sad.
It is finally going to die.
Yeah, they had this whole security breach thing, which is also a weird story.
But then eventually they're like, you know what?
We're shutting it down.
joe rogan
Really?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want to call my friend up and go, ha, ha, told you.
marques brownlee
So it's going to be finally no more Google +, but Google keeps trying to do this.
They keep calling it a universal message service.
And everyone's like, oh, iMessage for Android.
You're going to make your own.
Great.
And they make a Allo, Duo, Hangouts.
They have all these halfway there things that kind of tie into Android and are sort of like FaceTime and iMessage, but not really.
And it's just not well done, and it's not convincing anyone.
joe rogan
Now, I know there's been some third-party attempts to figure out how to put iMessage on Android phones.
And that you can get some sort of an app that allows you to use iMessage.
marques brownlee
It's probably really clunky and forward-y.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Yeah, I haven't tried that.
joe rogan
I haven't either.
marques brownlee
I imagine it's horrible.
joe rogan
Yeah, I have the Note 9, like I said, and I was thinking about switching over to it, and I was like, oh, I'll use this pen.
I never used that pen once.
marques brownlee
Yeah, that's the thing.
As a reviewer, I'm always trying to figure out what is a real, genuine, use-it-everyday feature that's worth paying extra for, and what is a cool demo feature that'll get you to brag about the phone and show your friends, but you'll never use it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
And I've always been split on the S Pen.
Is that a thing people really use all the time?
And I've been kind of somewhat convinced there's people who are like, yeah, I use the S Pen every day.
I take notes on my phone.
I use that app.
And I'm like, I try.
I try.
I had this little point where I was like, yeah, I'm going to do lock screen notes.
Every time I want to remember something, I'm going to write it down.
And I just never got into it.
So, like, I'm usually pretty good about, like, dividing things into buckets of, like, yes, this is something we will use and is worth paying.
This is dumb, but it's really cool to demo and it will just sell people and they'll never use it again.
Those two buckets are very clear.
The S Pencil has been in the middle for me.
joe rogan
The lock screen thing is weird, too, because it doesn't work that smooth.
The lock screen notes...
marques brownlee
It's gotten better.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a little clunky, and then you don't just get it right there.
It saves it to notes.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you have to go to notes together.
marques brownlee
And you have to go to the notes app.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
My thought was, I'm going to use this, and I'm going to put my set list on my phone, and that way any time I go to the lock screen, the set list will be there.
I'll just be able to scroll through my set list when I go on stage.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it doesn't work like that.
marques brownlee
It's not there.
joe rogan
No, I gotta go to notes.
marques brownlee
Right.
joe rogan
I'm like, well, what is this then?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
Yeah, so it's just kind of...
joe rogan
Weird.
marques brownlee
Halfway there.
But I want to talk to someone who's like, yeah, I buy the note every year because I gotta have the pen.
There's gotta be someone up there.
That's what I think, but...
joe rogan
Well, one thing that is kind of cool about it that I've never used once, but kind of cool about it is the fact that you can use that pen as a remote control.
marques brownlee
Yeah, that's definitely a...
joe rogan
Take photographs.
marques brownlee
Firmly in the second bucket of, like, great demo.
Look, I'm halfway across the room taking a selfie.
That's cool, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Yeah, and then you'll never use that.
joe rogan
Never use it.
And then also using it as a remote control for music and for video.
marques brownlee
You can map it to all kinds of crazy things.
It's actually a really well-thought-out feature.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Like, it's Bluetooth, and the S Pen has its own battery now, so you put the battery in the phone, and it charges the stylus very quickly.
In a couple seconds, you get, like, half the battery.
Like, it's really well thought out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
But am I ever going to use that?
joe rogan
Probably not.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
The battery's huge, too.
It's got a 4,000 milliamp battery as opposed to the iPhone, which is, what, 33?
marques brownlee
Even the big one's like a 31 or a 3200. Is that that low?
Yeah.
But, I mean, iPhones have never needed the number on paper to be big to be well-optimized.
joe rogan
Because of software.
marques brownlee
Yeah, software.
joe rogan
But they've done tests where they did benchmark tests between the Note and the iPhone X, what is it, Max?
marques brownlee
The XS Max.
joe rogan
How do you say it?
The XS Max.
Yeah.
It's not, the Note crushes it.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
Yeah, no, Samsung's getting better with optimization too, which is awesome that they crush it.
They used to be kind of scared of batteries in the Notes for obvious reasons.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wonder why.
marques brownlee
But they've finally gotten better at that and they're doing really well.
joe rogan
It's amazing that they bounced back from that at all because people fucking died, didn't they?
marques brownlee
That's insane.
I don't think anyone died.
joe rogan
Well, one guy, I don't know what happened to him, but there was a famous guy who was a tech guy who died because his battery exploded and his house caught on fire and he died in the fire.
marques brownlee
Really?
joe rogan
I don't know what phone he was using, though.
Wow.
marques brownlee
I don't think it was a note.
joe rogan
Cryptocurrency guy.
marques brownlee
I follow the note pretty closely because I had a couple of them just because I was in the middle of reviewing it and using it.
I carried one every day.
It starts getting banned, starts getting caught on fire.
You can't fly with it.
I followed that all very closely and all the cases of...
Because it started off with not only were the Note 7s starting to explode, but they started recalling them and sending people replacements and then the replacements started to explode.
At that point, I was like, this is amazing.
I need to follow this very closely.
jamie vernon
He had a BlackBerry and a Huawei and they don't know which one exploded.
joe rogan
Probably the Huawei.
Probably the assassination.
marques brownlee
I've never...
Yeah.
That's a weird...
jamie vernon
He actually was a CEO. Cradle Fund CEO, Nazrin Hassan.
marques brownlee
And it caught his whole house on fire.
joe rogan
Yeah, he died after his smartphones pulled and catches fire in his bedroom.
marques brownlee
That is really extreme, yeah.
joe rogan
It's a fucked up way to go.
marques brownlee
They can't mess around.
So that's when your phone starts exploding and your Samsung, you have to fix that.
joe rogan
There was that famous video of the guy who parked his car in the driveway and put his phone in the charger and left it there, and he came outside to his car bursting into flames.
His whole car was on fire.
marques brownlee
Oh my god.
That's horrible.
Especially in a gas car with literal flammable liquids in it.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Luckily, it wasn't in his garage.
It was in his driveway.
marques brownlee
That is nuts.
joe rogan
Fuck.
Yeah.
It's amazing they've bounced back from that, though, because they really have.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
Actually, that's been impressive of their reputation.
So in the reviewer community, I watch all my friends' videos about the Note when it came out.
We stopped making explosion jokes this year.
I noticed that.
The Galaxy Note 7 had all the explosion jokes.
Note 8 came out.
All the explosion jokes.
Last year it exploded, guys.
So what have they done this year?
That's better.
Now we're on Note 9, and I think we're kind of over it.
Two years.
That's how long it takes.
joe rogan
Well, that's today, though.
I mean, the short cycle of news today.
Like, things come and go so quickly.
marques brownlee
But I wonder if that would have happened to an iPhone.
What kind of nightmare that would have been.
I also think there's probably no way it would have happened to an iPhone.
You would think there's no way it would happen to Samsung, but somehow it did.
But there's this whole process of getting a battery supplier for your phone and then trusting their quality testing and then using that supplier for your manufacturing and all that.
Yeah.
And I don't know how different that process is for Samsung versus other manufacturers like Apple, but it just seems like Apple would never let that sort of oversight slip.
joe rogan
Right.
Hmm, I wonder.
marques brownlee
But if it did, how crazy would that have been?
joe rogan
Well, Samsung comes out with new phones way quicker, right?
marques brownlee
So they come out with phones more often, but they update their lineups at the same rate, like once a year for Note, and also once a year for Galaxy S. But since they're six months apart, it looks like they made four new phones.
So we're going to get a new phone every April.
Galaxy S10 will come out in April.
And they all get Galaxy Note in September.
It's like, well, that's only six months.
Well, that's part of a different lineup.
So like Galaxy S is every year.
Galaxy Note is every year.
They have all these other lineups.
So they make a lot more phones for sure.
joe rogan
And are they still doing the sport?
Because they had that sport model.
marques brownlee
The Active.
I think they are still.
It's not nearly as special seeming to them as it used to be.
They used to really put out separate commercials for it and they'd have all this hype.
I remember Galaxy S7 Active was a big deal.
I don't even know if there is a Galaxy S9 Active.
joe rogan
I don't believe there is.
marques brownlee
There might not be.
joe rogan
It was a rumor that it was coming out and that it was going to be completely waterproof and shock resistant.
It was going to have a rubberized case.
marques brownlee
Right.
joe rogan
And it was going to have an enormous battery life.
marques brownlee
But they didn't.
joe rogan
They haven't released it.
The 9 was going to have the same size battery as the Note 9, but the regular size 9 screen.
marques brownlee
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
So 4,000 milliamp battery, but in the S9 screen.
marques brownlee
Right.
joe rogan
Which would have been massive.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that would have been incredible.
marques brownlee
I guess people just didn't buy it as much.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't think people knew about it.
I think it's one of those deals.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love battery life.
I'm always scared that my phone's going to run out of battery.
I know it's ridiculous because it very rarely does, but I'm always like, fuck, what if it runs out of battery?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
When I hear about the iPhone's battery not being so good, I've heard that the XS... Regular has better battery life than the XS Max because the Max has the larger screen.
marques brownlee
I think they're about the same.
I think the standby time on the XS Max is better because of the bigger battery.
But when you do use your screen a lot, they kind of diminish down to the same number, I think.
And then this iPhone XR, which I've just started using, seems to have a better battery life than both of them.
joe rogan
This is the less expensive version.
marques brownlee
This is the $750 IPS LCD version of the iPhone X. Yeah, the colors and all that.
joe rogan
Now, how much of a factor is that in everyday use?
Do you notice the difference?
marques brownlee
The battery life?
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, the image quality not being as good with the different screen.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's the only factor, right?
Are the internal components the same?
marques brownlee
They are the same.
It's one gig less of RAM, weirdly.
But yeah, all the rest of the internals are the same.
joe rogan
So what does a standard one have?
Six?
marques brownlee
So four gigs of RAM in every iPhone still.
Yeah.
And then three gigs in the XR. And then also one camera instead of two.
And then an aluminum rail on the side.
I call it a rail, but the outside's aluminum instead of stainless steel.
So the iPhone's got the shiny stainless steel outside.
The...
Yeah, the screen is still pretty decent.
I know everyone likes to trash on it because it's only 828p or so.
It's like a 720p screen, roughly.
This is the R? The R. But using it or just looking at it, it looks fine.
joe rogan
Like an Apple iPhone 8. Yeah, exactly.
marques brownlee
It's the same pixel density as an iPhone 8. Which is fine.
Which is fine for most people.
So if you get too caught up on the number, which is not the typical iPhone XR buyer...
Then it's going to look bad.
But if you just look at the screen and use it, which is most people walking in a store and just saying, hey, this looks fine and it's $250 cheaper, I think I'll just get this one.
That's why I think the XR is going to be a great seller for Apple.
joe rogan
Yeah, it sounds like it.
Now, when you switch to those battery pack cases, now you have a brick in your pocket.
marques brownlee
It's huge.
Yeah, that's a big phone already, too.
So a 6.1-inch screen on that XR, and then this big battery on the back, yeah, it's just going to be massive.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I haven't seen any XS Max with a case that has a battery in it, but jeez.
marques brownlee
I wouldn't even try.
It's just wouldn't even fit in your pocket anymore.
joe rogan
But it's great if you go on a trip somewhere, and you might be in some janky place that doesn't have power.
marques brownlee
Yeah, like a travel...
Version of your setup.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's just a big old brick case.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
I'm not a case person.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't have any cases, huh?
marques brownlee
No, I don't do cases.
joe rogan
But you switch phones so often, even if you drop them.
marques brownlee
That's what people always say.
joe rogan
You got other ones that pop a SIM card out.
marques brownlee
I still take good care of my phones.
People are like, oh, you get a new phone every two weeks.
You might be right, but I still take really good care of my phones.
I actually did kind of getting out of my car, this slid out of my pocket, which is kind of a nightmare.
And it took one bounce before I like sort of half caught it.
So I got this little scratch on the corner.
joe rogan
That's the Google phone.
marques brownlee
It's the Google phone, but it's fine.
joe rogan
I always question people that don't have cases.
I'm like, ooh, you're one of those people.
My friend Andrew Santino, he doesn't put a case on anything.
He was more a design person.
He's like, look how beautiful this is.
Why would I put a case in this?
marques brownlee
That's part of it.
joe rogan
But Neil deGrasse Tyson had a really interesting perspective.
He said he takes his case and he flips it around in his hand constantly.
And he said if you go to watch cadets when they're learning how to handle guns, they're spitting their gun around and catching it.
He goes, why do you think they're doing that?
They're doing that so that they're always able to catch their gun, no matter what.
So he takes his phone and he flips it around in his hand all the time.
marques brownlee
He does that so he's always able to...
joe rogan
Like a cadet.
marques brownlee
That's awesome.
joe rogan
He's like, I don't drop my phone.
And he showed me.
He was like flipping it in between his fingers.
marques brownlee
Like, oh.
joe rogan
I like...
See?
But that's him.
He's got this next level thought process behind everything.
marques brownlee
That's fair.
joe rogan
Even not having a case on his phone.
marques brownlee
So that means he's not a case person.
He's always got his phone.
Yeah, that's fine.
joe rogan
I actually like a case.
I like this case.
Which is a clear case.
And the reason why I like it is because it's more grippy in your hand.
There's more to it.
marques brownlee
It's not slippery.
iPhones are the slipperiest phones.
The way they're shaped, they have the stainless steel and then they kind of just melt into this orb shape.
And it's by far the most common slide out of my pocket phone is the iPhone.
This phone has never slid out of my pocket, obviously.
joe rogan
And the OnePlus, you said that that was your favorite phone before the Google Pixel 3?
marques brownlee
Yep.
joe rogan
Why do you like the Pixel 3 better than that phone?
Because I've heard great things about the OnePlus.
marques brownlee
Yeah, I love the OnePlus still, and I would have no problem using it today, but this camera is so much better than every other phone, yeah.
joe rogan
Now, is that because you take a lot of photos for YouTube and blogging and that kind of thing?
marques brownlee
Yeah, just social.
I tweet a lot of photos.
I Instagram a lot of photos.
joe rogan
That much better?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
That much better.
Yeah.
Than the OnePlus, which is already a $600 phone.
joe rogan
And is the OnePlus, I mean, the Galaxy Note 9 is supposed to have a very good camera as well.
I can't tell the difference.
I'm not good enough to understand.
marques brownlee
Most people won't until you put them next to each other.
And then you kind of go, oh, interesting.
When you put an iPhone photo next to a pixel photo, iPhones have notoriously great cameras.
Pixels have notoriously great cameras.
You might be totally fine with either one.
But if you put them next to each other, you will notice massive differences between the photos.
What do you notice?
joe rogan
Did you do any comparisons that are online that we could pull up right now?
marques brownlee
Um, my last one, I, I compared a pixel two to iPhone 10 to one plus five T to two other phones.
I did like a five camera blind test.
And what I did was I put the five photos next to each other, but didn't tell you which one was which ABC, D or E.
And you go down the list and I have like seven, eight, nine photos in a row.
ABC, D or E.
Pick your favorite one.
A lot of people went with B.
A lot of people went with D and they didn't know which one it was.
And at the end I revealed which one was which.
And a lot of people were surprised by which one they picked.
Oh, wow.
I picked the pixel over the iPhone every time.
Really interesting.
Uh, and a lot of times when you put them side by side, you'll notice like iPhones like to boost the shadows a lot more.
So they're much more evenly lit.
Yeah, this is the side.
joe rogan
A, B, C, D, and E. Which one do I like better?
marques brownlee
And I already can tell immediately which one's the Pixel.
And you might not because I remember Pixel 2 had cooler colors and more contrast than any other one.
And this is a great backpack.
I kind of like E. Yeah.
So another thing about these is it helps to see it in a high resolution because the difference in detail and sharpness between them is another thing I paid attention to.
Which one's E? I want to say that was the OnePlus, but I forget now.
joe rogan
Which one's the Pixel?
marques brownlee
I'm pretty sure B is the Pixel, because this gray backpack is starting to look a little bit blue.
And that was a big characteristic of the Pixel 2 from last year.
joe rogan
Right.
And that was a big issue with the screen as well, right?
marques brownlee
The Pixel XL? Yeah, look at this contrast.
All these are pretty good, but when you see B, and you see how much more contrast that has, and you look at A, and how much it's lifted the shadows...
Yeah, E's got a pretty even tone.
joe rogan
And E is also the OnePlus?
marques brownlee
I don't remember what E is.
I'd have to go back to the video.
joe rogan
Oh, so you switched them around with each one.
unidentified
No, no, no.
marques brownlee
Every time it was the same.
A is the same every time.
B is the same every time.
I know I'm already pretty sure that B is the Pixel.
Go to the top left one with the selfie.
joe rogan
Hmm.
marques brownlee
So, again, like, that gray sweatshirt is starting to look blue in B, right?
In E, look how much higher, brighter those shadows are.
Like, my black hair looks kind of gray at that point in that one.
So there's a lot of things you don't notice until you put them side by side.
joe rogan
Hmm.
God, but so nitpicky.
They all look so good.
marques brownlee
They all look pretty much, like, the same.
joe rogan
And C, but C, you're a little closer up.
marques brownlee
Yeah, C is a little bit tighter, so I'm going to go with C as the iPhone because the iPhone has a little bit of a tighter selfie camera.
A lot of Android phones have a wider angle selfie camera because you can fit more people in them, but Apple's always told me they go with a tighter angle because there's less distortion and they want it to feel more natural.
You just take a picture of yourself and you look great.
Hmm...
joe rogan
Here we go.
iPhone X, Note 8, Pixel 2, and Hasselblad.
marques brownlee
I did add a real camera into the mix.
joe rogan
Damn, that real camera looks pretty fucking good.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
I hope so.
It's $10,000.
joe rogan
Does that real camera film or is that video as well?
marques brownlee
It's a photo.
So it's a medium format 50 megapixel Hasselblad X1D. It's a crazy camera.
joe rogan
iPhone X looks pretty goddamn good right there.
marques brownlee
It does.
joe rogan
But there's just a little bit more to the Pixel 2, right?
marques brownlee
The Pixel 2 has...
So this is a portrait mode comparison.
So I remember I was trying to test the blurry background versus an actual good camera.
And whenever you look at these portrait mode photos, what they're doing is they're sort of trying to outline the subject, keep it sharp, and then blur the background artificially.
unidentified
Right.
marques brownlee
And year after year they've gotten better at this because the fall off between the blur isn't just like a cut out in real life.
You get sort of like a gradient of how much blur you have.
So Pixel 2 has typically the sharpest cut out and the best like separation between the background.
Where the iPhone kind of just takes the face, keeps the face sharp and then sort of has a more natural fall off so your body might not be in focus.
And Note 8, it's just not as good.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that image, that's a really...
In that one, you really see how good the Pixel 2 is.
Yeah.
marques brownlee
And so Pixel 3 got better at that.
Really?
Especially, yeah.
And now you can change something Note was doing last year.
You can change how blurred the background is.
So on iPhone XS now, Pixel 3, Note 9, all of them, you can change how blurry the background is.
joe rogan
Now, I notice you have an Apple Watch on, though.
marques brownlee
I do.
Best smartwatch in the game.
Is it?
By a lot.
joe rogan
By a lot?
marques brownlee
By a lot, yeah.
That's why I'm an iPhone person.
joe rogan
Really?
Because of the watch?
marques brownlee
I carry two phones all the time.
An Android phone of choice and an iPhone of choice.
So my Android phone of choice is my Pixel.
That's the main number, the main phone I usually use.
And my iPhone of choice I carry because there's still things that iPhones do better and I always carry whatever the best iPhone is.
A lot of things, it's media related.
It's like whenever I'm airdropping, like when I'm publishing a video on the go, like I have the thumbnail from airdrop on this phone.
But just things like Snapchat and Instagram, Instagram Stories, Instagram Live, a lot of apps with camera stuff are better optimized on the iPhone than they are on any Android phone because they're built for iPhone.
So I carry an iPhone and the best smartwatch is the Apple Watch Series 4. So I wear an Apple Watch Series 4 because it's good.
It's really good.
joe rogan
But you don't get text messages on your Apple Watch then.
marques brownlee
No, I don't.
But do you want them?
Yeah, kind of.
I would love to be able to use a smartwatch this good with my Android phone.
I still haven't found one that good.
But I mainly am using this for fitness tracking now, which is kind of entertaining, just like keeping track of workouts and calories and standing hours and all the stuff it does.
It's pretty cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, I was talking to you before the show about the Sober October Fitness Challenge we're doing.
This is the first time I've ever worn a heart monitor and then seen actual scores.
There's a real crazy motivating factor of seeing an actual number.
marques brownlee
The gamifying of fitness is really entertaining to me.
And it's what's kept me like...
I usually don't wear a smartwatch for very long, but I think it's been about a month and I just keep...
So there's a feature now where you can challenge people.
To a one week long challenge to whoever burns the most calories and has the most points or whatever.
There's like a point system.
joe rogan
Right.
marques brownlee
And that gamification of fitness has been, I think, pretty special.
It's been pretty good.
joe rogan
Well, this contest has been really crazy with me and my friends.
marques brownlee
So what are you trying to do?
joe rogan
Well, if the winner is going to get a belt, like a WWE style belt, it says Intergalactic Sober October Champion, and it has like...
Marijuana leaf with a line through it and a bottle of booze with a line through it.
And you wear these things, which is...
It's called a MyZone, and it works with an app.
It works pretty good, and it registers your heart rate, the amount of calories you burn, and it gives you a point system.
And the point system is, I don't know what they call it.
It's M-E-P-S. I don't know what it stands for.
But the amount of points over the month is what everyone's shooting for.
And so today we're at...
October the 23rd.
So we have eight days to go.
And I have worked out more in these 23 days than I have in like the last six months.
And I'm not exaggerating.
I put in five and a half hours yesterday.
Hard.
I got more than 900 points.
Then, after the podcast, I said, fuck it, we're gonna go for another 100. And I worked out and I got another 100 points.
Put in another hour.
It's maniacal, because you actually see the number, and because I can see the number, I can see all my friends' numbers.
And I'm way ahead, so I just keep telling them that I'm twisting the blade, because I'm so far ahead.
Like, right now, I am...
1,500 points away from everybody else.
Oh, Bert's trying to work out again, that slob.
marques brownlee
So when you see somebody catching up, you're like, well, I better hit the gym today.
joe rogan
Exactly.
And so I'm planning on staying so far ahead that they must die in order to beat me.
marques brownlee
The iPhone or the Apple Watch, when you have people connected with the fitness part of it, it will literally notify me when one of my friends has finished a workout.
And tell me how many points they just got.
As they finish it.
You hit the finish button and you know everyone's getting a notification.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
marques brownlee
So I'm going to put in the extra four or five miles on the bike so that they get that notification that I did that.
joe rogan
It really does work.
I mean, there's no doubt about it.
Just having that external motivating factor and then seeing a number.
There's something about...
Like with this, with the MEPS, M-E-P-S, whatever the fuck that stands for.
Find out what that stands for because I don't even know what that stands for.
marques brownlee
And I don't know how the Apple Watch measures points either.
I think there's a...
Because it's measuring...
I mean, there's a lot of sensors in this thing.
So not only is it a heart rate monitor, there's an accelerometer and a gyroscope.
So it knows when you're standing, knows when you're moving quickly.
And it basically just comes up with a points number at the end of the day.
And every time I fly, I just don't get any points because I just sit there.
joe rogan
Right.
marques brownlee
But yeah, there's like a...
Live counter, constantly going, of you and your friends.
And you've got to have the highest number to win.
joe rogan
So, out of all the stuff that you do, my zone effort points, that's what it is.
That's the MEPS points.
But here's the thing about that MEPS points, and we were trying to figure out why...
It gives you the same amount of points for 80% of your max heart rate as it does for 90. So like the first day, I said, I'm just going to sprint and try to bury these guys.
So I put them in 90% for 35 minutes.
I was like, they can't do that.
I'm just going to do some shit they can't do.
But it doesn't give you any more points for 90%.
90% gives the exact amount of points as 80%.
marques brownlee
So it's their own proprietary.
joe rogan
Yeah, see?
Those two there?
Fuckers.
Piece of shit.
It's so dumb.
So I think the reason why they did that is to keep people from killing themselves.
That's what I think.
marques brownlee
Yeah, just get somewhere in the 80 to 90 range.
joe rogan
Fat Bert is always in the two and three.
Fat Bert never gets in yellow.
That slob.
He's just waddling around.
Waddling around with blue and green.
Mostly gray.
He gets a lot of gray.
He'll get gray for hours.
Just waddling, complaining, thinking about vodka, dreaming about food.
marques brownlee
He's gonna watch this and hit the gym immediately.
joe rogan
He's at the gym right now.
He's at the gym right now.
marques brownlee
Alright.
joe rogan
Trying to catch up.
He's always playing catch up.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the thing, you gotta stay ahead.
He's got to stay ahead.
marques brownlee
Yeah, when you fall behind.
joe rogan
Like wolves in the distance.
You've got to think of them as wolves barking in the distance, chasing you.
Like, no fucking way.
You're not eating me, bitch.
Wolves 10 miles away are not going to get you.
But wolves 100 yards away, they're going to get you.
marques brownlee
They know they're going to get you.
So you've got to keep the distance way too far.
joe rogan
10 miles.
You want to hear...
unidentified
You don't want to hear...
joe rogan
He's such a slob.
He said he's going to double everything I do.
Look at that fat face.
That's not even possible.
unidentified
Stop this before I throw up.
marques brownlee
He's so far behind.
joe rogan
It's impossible to win.
But that's the point.
The point is to keep the boot on his neck.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
This only does seven-day challenges.
So basically, you start it, and they accept, and then it counts for the next seven days, all your cumulative points.
joe rogan
Well, that would be good.
Then you just do four.
marques brownlee
And then you just keep going.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do the month.
I like the challenge aspect of it.
It's really, I mean, all jokes aside, it's been really fun with my friends.
Poor Tommy Bunz is way behind.
I don't know what's going on.
Tom Segura is way behind.
He's like 1,800 points behind me right now.
jamie vernon
He's not storing them up, is he?
Like saving them for a couple days?
joe rogan
He might be.
He might be sandbagged.
Drops 4,000 points on you.
marques brownlee
He just comes full strength all day.
joe rogan
You store them up in this device and then you sync so you can pretend that you're not doing any work.
marques brownlee
I could sandbag.
joe rogan
Yes!
No one knows.
Then the last day, you're like, you son of a bitch!
marques brownlee
He goes online, he's 10,000 points ahead.
joe rogan
Oh, that would be a real issue.
So the key is to just keep the work rate at an almost impossible level.
So like yesterday, like I said, I worked out five and a half hours and then another hour.
And today I've already put in two hours.
I put in two hours at 7 o'clock this morning.
marques brownlee
The hotel room doesn't have any.
joe rogan
The thing is I'm putting two hours in at yellow.
I'm hitting 80% for two hours.
Fat Bert's out there waddling around with his dog pretending he's working hard making videos.
He's got like gray and a little bit of blue.
Maybe green.
A little green.
Then he takes a break.
Cries.
marques brownlee
And his numbers are low.
And they're not near him.
joe rogan
They're lower than mine.
That's a fact.
I worked out more last night and this morning than he has in a whole day.
marques brownlee
The other thing though, my problem, when I play Frisbee, so I take the watch off when I play because it's a wrist thing and I'm constantly moving and gripping.
joe rogan
Do you play like that Frisbee disc golf?
marques brownlee
Ultimate Frisbee.
joe rogan
Ultimate Frisbee.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
So I take it off every time I play and I know that's thousands of points that I'm missing out on.
joe rogan
What is disc golf versus ultimate frisbee?
What's the difference?
marques brownlee
Disc golf is what it sounds like.
You play 9 or 18 holes and you're throwing and walking up to it.
Is it a frisbee though?
joe rogan
Are you throwing a frisbee?
Oh, look at you there, dude.
Get an air, son.
marques brownlee
So ultimate frisbee is different.
Ultimate frisbee you can think of as kind of like...
Football slash basketball with a disc.
joe rogan
Are you throwing that frisbee with the left and the right hand?
marques brownlee
Yes, mostly one hand.
Sometimes you throw a little offhand.
joe rogan
Why don't you switch the sucker to the left hand?
marques brownlee
I don't know.
There's something about wearing something on my wrist, like throwing and catching.
Damn.
joe rogan
You're so serious about it, you're willing to lose points.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
If I really had to wear it for a week to get...
joe rogan
Oh, dude, you're really playing competitive here.
marques brownlee
Yeah, so this is all...
I'm pretty sure this is all pro highlights, but...
joe rogan
You guys are pro?
marques brownlee
There's professional Ultimate Frisbee now.
joe rogan
And you're playing professionally?
marques brownlee
And I'm playing professional Ultimate Frisbee.
joe rogan
Whoa!
This actually looks really fun.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow!
marques brownlee
There's a lot of...
joe rogan
Is that you?
2016 Eastern Conference Defensive Player of the Year?
marques brownlee
That was me.
joe rogan
Damn!
marques brownlee
Baby Marquez getting some defensive plays.
joe rogan
Well, you have big hands.
That probably helps in this sport, right?
marques brownlee
Definitely.
This is a fun play.
joe rogan
Look at this.
marques brownlee
I won't...
joe rogan
Oh, snatch!
marques brownlee
So that guy that I just roofed scored like 15 points against us that game.
That's called Roofed?
Yeah, just Roofed.
Roofed?
joe rogan
Is that an ultimate Frisbee only term?
marques brownlee
There's all kinds of...
I've never heard that term before.
A common one is you skied someone.
joe rogan
But Roofed I like because it's a disc and it's above his head.
marques brownlee
Yeah, whenever you moss somebody.
joe rogan
What is that?
marques brownlee
When you moss someone.
joe rogan
Moss?
marques brownlee
Like Randy Moss.
joe rogan
Oh.
marques brownlee
Like Randy Moss went up for a football and his chest was at your like...
At your head level.
joe rogan
Right.
marques brownlee
That's what mossing someone looks like.
But there's other words for it.
So you might roof someone.
joe rogan
I can't believe you're doing this without your sensor on.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Because you're so serious about it.
marques brownlee
So many points.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're losing so many points.
Wow.
Do you do any strength and conditioning to prepare for this?
marques brownlee
Yeah, so the season is a couple months long.
So, yes, we're in the off season now.
The season just ended.
So we're just basically rebuilding.
I lose, like, 15 pounds during the season.
So I'm, like, putting that back on.
Then you get to, like, try out season and, like...
February or March.
And then you just start getting your throws back, getting your cardio back, and starting to work into it.
And then the season starts.
joe rogan
I would think that leg strength and explosive power, like doing box jumps and things along those lines, would be huge for you.
marques brownlee
Yes.
So there's different...
Sort of like basketball or football, there's different types of players.
You can sort of...
There's so many things to explain with frisbee.
There's throwers and catchers, you might call them.
So, handlers and receivers.
A lot of shorter, faster people who aren't as explosive but are really, really quick are handlers.
And they'll go around, they'll squirrel around, and they'll have awesome strength, and they'll be able to throw anywhere.
But they won't necessarily go downfield and try to go score on someone We're good to go.
So if you watch a game unfold, it's very fluid.
You constantly switch between offense and defense, like basketball.
You're scoring in an end zone and then the point's over and then you pull again to start.
But as the point's going on, you kind of notice certain players are mostly doing certain things, like mostly throwing, mostly getting the disc back.
Other people are mostly going downfield, threatening deep.
There's a lot of terminology.
joe rogan
How'd you get involved in this?
marques brownlee
The high school I went to, Columbia High School, invented this sport in 1968. Whoa!
I had a very competitive team for the years that I was there and I made a lot of friends on the team, started playing.
I played for the JV team for the first two years and then I played for the varsity team my second two years.
So it was a pretty serious program.
And we played against other high schools around the country.
We traveled.
We flew.
unidentified
Whoa!
marques brownlee
We played against...
We had rivals in Massachusetts and Connecticut and all these other schools.
And then we had the big Eastern Championship at the end of the high school season.
That's what we all played for.
We won 11 straight state championships the two years that I played.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
I did not know that this was even a thing.
Meanwhile, there's a rich history to it.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
68!
Yeah, 50th anniversary this year.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
I would have never guessed.
You said when was Ultimate Frisbee invented?
I always said like a couple months ago.
marques brownlee
Yeah, well, so the Pro League just is less than 10 years old.
So there's always been this sort of club.
You think of club soccer, like area teams.
There's always been that.
So I've played for the New Jersey Garden State club team for much longer than I've played for any pro teams.
And that's generally what players take the most seriously.
The club championships were this past weekend.
The New York area team beat the San Francisco area team to win nationals.
Like, that's generally what people care the most about.
But it's not very spectator-friendly.
So what we've sort of created is the AUDL, the American Ultimate Disc League.
It's a pro version of Frisbee.
It's mainly the same sport, but a little bigger field.
And a little bit faster play just because they've shortened the stoppages and they have referees and everything now.
And they're selling tickets and selling merch and jerseys and broadcasting games.
And they have a pro championship at the end of the year.
So that's been a whole new thing for Frisbee players to pay attention to.
And I've played for a pro team as well the past couple of years and it's been pretty fun.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Well, I buy it because just watching that clip was really exciting.
It looks fun.
And you guys aren't getting any brain damage.
marques brownlee
Yeah, that's a big deal.
It's about the same level of contact as basketball, I would say.
joe rogan
Perfect.
marques brownlee
So you're not throwing elbows or anything, but there are fouls.
So you've got to be careful about where you're throwing your body around, but you're not.
joe rogan
Well, that's going to happen because people are running at each other, but you're not worried about tackles or anything stupid.
marques brownlee
Yeah, it's not football or lacrosse.
I tried lacrosse.
That was not for me.
joe rogan
It's ridiculous.
People hitting each other with sticks and fuck all that.
marques brownlee
It was a lot.
joe rogan
Do you mess around with VR at all?
marques brownlee
Yes, a little bit.
I have an HTC Vive, and that's been the most common use of VR. We have a Vive in the studio, and the two games that come to mind the most are called Superhot.
I don't know if you've played that.
No.
And Beat Saber.
joe rogan
I try to play, but my kids dominate the VR thing.
They come in here and like, get out of here!
They push me away, and it's mine!
marques brownlee
There's a lot of fun stuff.
So Superhot is a fun one.
It's a shooting game, strategy game type of thing.
So the way Superhot, again, you're in VR, so you're wearing this thing, and it's a bunch of stick figures trying to kill you.
And they're running downstairs, running around corners, shooting at you, trying to kill you.
But time only moves when you move.
So if you hold still, you can look around and see in the headset where people are and sort of evaluate.
Like, okay, I can pick up this object and hurt somebody with it.
joe rogan
This is it right here?
marques brownlee
Yeah, this is the game.
joe rogan
It's a very crude looking video.
marques brownlee
Yeah, it's super basic.
Again, stick figures trying to kill you.
But it's like a strategy game in that you sort of have to evaluate where you're at.
everyone else is trying to kill you also and so you can sort of dodge bullets as they come around because you don't move when you see them flying through the air there's a lot of cool stuff to this game so I got really into it I didn't get to this level which is probably yeah you got to dodge all these bullets flying at you turn around throw something at them there's a boxing game on Well, there's several boxing games.
In VR? Yeah.
joe rogan
That are really good.
marques brownlee
Wow.
joe rogan
And they give you a workout because there's a guy in front of you and he's throwing punches and you're bobbing and weaving.
marques brownlee
Is it like full speed?
joe rogan
You're punching at him.
Yeah.
Yeah, and they look good.
It looks like you're in the ring, and the guy's looking at you, he's mean mugging you, and throws punches your way, and when you get hit, you see a flash of white.
marques brownlee
That's so good.
I want to try that now.
joe rogan
Well, it's really fun, but I think with the haptic feedback suit, especially if you could put something, there it is right here.
jamie vernon
This is the new one.
Oh, this is the Creed video game I was telling you about.
joe rogan
Oh, see?
jamie vernon
Based off of the new Rocky movie.
marques brownlee
Oh, you can block, yeah.
joe rogan
Follow up.
unidentified
Damaging.
jamie vernon
Look at this.
joe rogan
But when you're doing it, like we did it out here in the hallway, my feet were hurting.
Because I was moving and shifting left and right and throwing punches and bouncing off my toes.
And after it was over, I was like, dude, my fucking feet are exhausted.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
And you're doing the drills and everything?
joe rogan
Yeah.
More so than it would be if I was actually sparring.
marques brownlee
Huh.
joe rogan
Because if I was actually sparring, I don't think I would throw as many punches in such a quick succession.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
You'd be more worried about getting hit back and actually getting punched.
But when you're doing it, it's really interesting.
marques brownlee
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
I've got to try that.
Is that Adrian?
There's also the...
Is this in the HTC Vive, too?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Yeah, this just came out for all of them.
marques brownlee
Oh, okay.
Yeah, the other one...
The other one's called Beat Saber, and it's a...
You can think of it as, like, Guitar Hero, but you're holding, like, lightsabers as controllers.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, my kids love that.
marques brownlee
And they're going past you.
I love that game.
joe rogan
And things are flying out, and you're hitting them.
marques brownlee
And you're hitting them?
Yeah.
That is a really well-done...
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a bunch of really well done ones.
There's a great one that you're in a castle and you have like an old school bow and arrow and then there's these almost like South Park looking monsters that are coming towards your way.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
And they're like, it's still kind of cartoony, but like the graphics are crisp enough that you like feel like you're a cartoon character in a way.
Yeah.
It's pretty good.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really cool.
There's actual physics to the arrow.
When you shoot it, you have to lift your arm up to get the arc of the arrow correct to hit at things.
marques brownlee
Yeah, that's good.
I think about VR a lot just because as a video maker, you're making content for the platform that people view it on.
And we started to get this little creeping up of 360 videos getting really good and interesting applications of 360 video.
And it's still kind of early and I don't really know if it's going to take off or if it's just this medium stepping stone format to what might be a more immersive version.
Or maybe just AR is going to be way better.
I don't know yet, but I pay a lot of attention to it just because it's new.
joe rogan
Yeah.
AR is fascinating as well.
I mean, we discussed, what was it?
Magic Leap?
Is that what it was?
The Microsoft one?
That's the other one.
marques brownlee
HoloLens is Microsoft and then Magic Leap is its own thing.
I haven't tried either actually yet.
joe rogan
And which one was the one where the ballerina was dancing in your hand?
Magic Leap.
But which one, is that the one that people are saying is kind of vaporware?
jamie vernon
Sort of.
marques brownlee
Sort of.
jamie vernon
I would imagine that...
That screen on that phone would have some sort of similar technology.
It's like light field technology.
marques brownlee
Yeah, I didn't even talk about that.
jamie vernon
They're doing weird stuff with your eyes.
marques brownlee
This weird...
So this phone has a...
What are they calling it?
I'm not going to remember what they're calling it.
Oh, is there...
I need Wi-Fi for it, actually.
It's got a 3D screen, a glasses-less 3D. Here's the...
And you basically, it has a 3D screen and you look at media on it and it's supposed to sort of pop out...
That's the password.
At the top?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Doesn't have to be lowercase.
Is it lowercase?
No.
marques brownlee
Which one is it?
joe rogan
This one, yeah.
marques brownlee
T... That one?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's it.
marques brownlee
But basically, it can look like that, but you can't have things actually popping out above the screen.
So things on the screen will look 3D, but anything outside of the screen won't.
It's kind of hard to explain.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And so this is for video games or for other things as well?
marques brownlee
So at this point, what they're trying to do is have media, like photos and videos.
joe rogan
Pop out.
marques brownlee
Like pop out.
So not just games.
They're going to have games as well.
But they have shared with me a couple of media files that...
Are like a good use of the 3D and I'm curious what you think of them because they're definitely like a stretch.
joe rogan
So it's hologram-y.
marques brownlee
Holographic is the word they use but it's hard to explain and it's kind of trippy.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Dude, this is weird.
marques brownlee
And there's different...
So there's a movie trailer version of it where there's things coming towards you, and I think that's maybe the best use of it I've seen.
It's impossible to show on camera.
I've tried many different times, many different ways.
joe rogan
No, this will never show up on camera.
But this is odd.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Is there an issue where people have to make stuff for this?
marques brownlee
So any content, you have to shoot for 4View.
They call it 4View.
Or they can take existing content and convert it to 4View, but that's a little less successful usually.
Yeah.
This is really strange.
But the cameras on the back, they have two cameras on the back, and you can shoot four of you with the cameras on the hydrogen.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
What I'm looking at right now is topographic maps.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Amazing, man.
marques brownlee
So it's hard to tell, again, I try to separate things into buckets of this is something you're going to use every day and love, or this is a total gimmick that you'll never use again.
And I started with it in the bucket of this is kind of like a gimmick, but they've put so much effort into making it good, and all these different conversion techniques and...
Let's see if I can find a clip.
But they've been constantly changing the algorithms and adjusting it and updating it to look better.
That it's starting to convince me that it might be worth paying attention to for more than just the first two seconds.
joe rogan
This is amazing.
marques brownlee
Do you think you would use it all the time?
joe rogan
No, I'd never use it.
marques brownlee
But it's still pretty cool, right?
joe rogan
It's very cool, but...
How much better is it than regular video?
marques brownlee
That and how long can you look at it before your eyes start to tweak a little bit?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm already going like...
But it looks good.
It definitely looks really good.
It looks cool.
It's kind of interesting.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
unidentified
But...
marques brownlee
So you can take photos and videos with the camera on the phone that are in this 3D. And that's maybe the best use of it because you can see what's actually in the room around you the way it would show up in a direct translation.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Now, how much of an impact does it have on storage size?
marques brownlee
Not much.
I mean, there's still video files in there, like, big 4K videos, but they're not necessarily twice as big or anything like that.
joe rogan
It looks cool, but regular video looks pretty cool, too.
marques brownlee
When you go into the viewfinder and you go from 2D to 3D, then you can take photos and videos of things in that format.
Whoa!
joe rogan
This is weird, man.
marques brownlee
If you take a capture and then look at it, and you kind of move the phone around a little bit, it's kind of shimmery in a weird way, but kind of 3D, sort of.
joe rogan
This is very odd.
marques brownlee
It's very hard to explain.
joe rogan
Yeah, you'd have to look at this through this thing.
Like, you would never be able to show this to someone in a video.
marques brownlee
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Like, I'm looking at these PlastiCell little figurines, and as I move forward and backward, you really get a sense of 3D. Yeah.
That's actually pretty badass.
marques brownlee
So I gotta figure out how to show it in the video of, like...
joe rogan
You can't.
marques brownlee
I just have to describe it.
I have to use my words.
joe rogan
God, that's amazing.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's...
Well, it's probably coming.
That's probably coming.
It's probably going to be something we're all going to have to deal with.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
I'm interested.
If you ask Red, they'll tell you, yeah, this is the future.
Everything's going to be like this.
I'm like, you got it.
I think you have to say that at this point.
joe rogan
Remember when 3D movies were a big deal?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Get those stupid glasses and...
marques brownlee
Yeah.
I mean, so their claim is like, yes, this is...
It's genuinely good.
Like, you can use it in portrait and landscape.
Glassesless 3D is usually only one way or the other because of polarization.
So this is a lenticular...
The technology, I don't know exactly how it works, but you can use it in portrait or landscape.
You can play games with it, and things will react in depth of space in the game.
joe rogan
Well, the first video that you showed me is really interesting, too, because it's essentially like a topographic map.
marques brownlee
So you're paying attention to depth.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're looking at the layers of the mountain and the hillside.
But this actually was kind of weirder, like seeing these little figurines and moving towards them.
marques brownlee
In real life.
Yeah, that's what I think...
That's the best way to calibrate to your eye what it's doing.
If you just look at a video of it, you're like, alright, it looks 3D, like it's coming at me.
And they had a couple, like a movie trailer type of thing, where again, it was mostly shot for this format, and things would kind of go past you, and the speakers are also really good, so they have this sort of a 3D conversion technique for audio as well, where it sort of goes behind you.
But yeah, it's definitely interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, did you mess around with Google Glasses when they first came out?
marques brownlee
I did, yeah.
joe rogan
Did you think, okay, this is going to be something?
marques brownlee
I guess I probably did.
Glass was weird.
It was ahead of its time, but also not really.
I was in college also, so I was like, I can't wear it to class or walk around.
I guess I could walk around Hoboken with it, but the whole idea of an augmented reality...
This little screen that I could just check the weather and then look back down or check my text and look back down.
It was like, well, that could be cool.
But also, if you look at someone wearing Google Glass, it's like, that guy's wearing Google Glass.
You can't get around it.
joe rogan
Well, people would get angry at people for wearing it, too.
marques brownlee
Because it had a camera in it.
joe rogan
Filming me, what are you doing?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
marques brownlee
So that was another thing as I tried, I won't even say the name, but like another, like much newer version of that, where again, it was like a small projection to a prism that you could see but no one else could, and it would fit into something that looked more like regular glasses.
So it had a battery, it had everything, but it didn't have a camera, and you still had a screen that you could look up into the corner to.
And I was like, well, I wonder if I'll notice the difference between regular glasses.
And I went down and I met the guys who were showing it to me in the lobby, and immediately I was like, that guy's wearing it.
I can see it.
I can see the little light in his eye.
I can see the extra thick glasses.
So it was like, it's an interesting concept, and I don't know...
Where it goes from here, if it has to be glasses-based, or if we'll eventually have some sort of a chip in our eye, or what the deal is, what the next move is, but it's a cool concept.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's one of those things that sort of, it's kind of been flirting with, like, for the longest time, people thought virtual reality was going to be I mean, there was virtual reality concepts 20 years ago.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
And people thought virtual reality was going to be the future.
And then it took a long time for the hardware to catch up.
marques brownlee
I think augmented reality has a more promising immediate future just because it's more useful.
Yeah.
But virtual reality has the immersion factor going for it.
The problem is you have to make a whole world.
So augmented reality is just some layer on top of your current world.
So you get a little screen or whatever, or you look at one particular thing and it looks different from real life.
That's easier to build.
For virtual reality, you have to build the whole world that you step into.
And that's like a much, much deeper layer of immersion, which is great to step into, but also hard to make.
So that's the difference.
I think I'm more into AR at the moment.
joe rogan
Well, I think AR in the sense of having all the functions of your phone in front of you in the air when you call upon them.
marques brownlee
Yeah, kind of like a movie.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Like when someone in a movie, or like Iron Man even, they just whip out a sheet of buttons in front of them and close it.
Only they could see that.
Yeah.
Maybe that's the future.
joe rogan
And to have some Hey Siri type, you know, demand.
marques brownlee
Yeah, Siri's terrible.
joe rogan
Siri's not that good.
It works for some things.
It's okay for some things.
marques brownlee
Siri...
joe rogan
Google Assistant's better though.
marques brownlee
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Uh...
Yeah, Siri.
Well, have you tried Bixby?
joe rogan
Yes.
marques brownlee
Bixby's even worse.
joe rogan
Bixby sucks.
marques brownlee
Bixby's pretty bad.
Yeah.
joe rogan
But Bixby does a few things okay.
Like, it checks flights okay.
marques brownlee
Bixby, I think, is hilarious because it shows how good it can be and then it isn't good.
Like, it has a couple of things that it can definitely do better than any other assistant.
Like what?
It can dig in locally on Samsung phones and do strings of commands.
You can say, hey, Bixby, open my settings app, turn my brightness halfway down, and turn my Wi-Fi off, and it'll do all of that.
And Siri and Google Assistant won't do that.
But if you say, hey, Bixby, how tall is the Statue of Liberty?
It might not do it.
It's really bad at a lot of basic things.
So, yeah, Google Assistant I think is the most complete and useful.
I genuinely use it all the time.
Siri I mostly trigger by accident and then I wonder if it's better and it isn't.
joe rogan
Well, it's offensive that Bixby has a button.
marques brownlee
Yeah, I hate that.
joe rogan
Come on, why?
And you can't remap it.
marques brownlee
An unremappable Bixby button that you accidentally press all the time.
joe rogan
All the time.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Lower left-hand corner, like what is this thing?
marques brownlee
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
joe rogan
Yeah, the iPhone Siri button gets pressed a lot, but what I really like about the Pixel is the squeeze.
marques brownlee
Yeah, you can turn it off.
joe rogan
Do you use it?
Like to squeeze it to pull up the assistant?
marques brownlee
Yeah, once in a while.
I mostly use the Hey Google trigger, which is like mapped to my voice, so you see it turns on now that I've said it.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
marques brownlee
But I started using the squeeze a little more so I don't have to yell, and I can just squeeze it and say a command or a question.
Mostly a question.
joe rogan
Now, do you use any of the home feature things?
Like, do you use Alexa or the Google Home?
marques brownlee
First thing I got into my home was Google Home.
So now I have a Google Home home.
If I had Alexa, first thing, I probably would have had an Alexa home with things that work with Alexa.
But they genuinely, like, usually work with each other.
joe rogan
Do your lights work with it?
marques brownlee
So what I have is, I have a Nest thermostat, and I have a Nest security camera, and...
I think that's it.
And I had smart lights, but I stopped using them.
So it's mostly just the Nest stuff.
And I can ask what the temperature is upstairs and then say, hey, change the temperature to this, and it'll do it.
So I don't have to run out and find the thermostat and change it myself.
joe rogan
I remember hearing that Bill Gates had some pin that you would put on when you entered into his home.
And when you go into certain rooms, if you had a pin on, it would recognize, oh, it's Bill.
Bill likes the temperature at this level.
He likes this art on the wall.
So he'd have LCD screens that would display different images.
marques brownlee
That's almost too much modularity.
I like a general state of things are the same unless I want them to change.
That would be kind of weird.
Every time you leave the room, the art changes behind you.
I mean, you walk back in and it changes back and you leave again.
It's kind of a lot.
But yeah, just a couple things.
I have a Google Home app where I'll change the temperature once in a while or...
There's this thing I've considered getting, the Ring doorbell, which has a camera, but I don't really use the doorbell that much.
It's mostly packages that get delivered to work instead of home.
joe rogan
Right.
marques brownlee
Yeah, that's about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, the Alexa and the Google Home, the big concern that people have is that it's listening to you all the time.
There was a story that I read about, there was a murder investigation, and that they were trying to get the records of Amazon Alexa.
While, you know, this murder investigation was going on because they think they could have listened to the conversation.
And then people are like, wait a minute.
This fucking thing is just listening all the time?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, it is, but it's not.
unidentified
Don't worry about it.
joe rogan
Don't worry about it.
marques brownlee
It'll help you?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you get murdered, you don't want anybody to get away with it, do you?
marques brownlee
True.
Yeah.
That is a lot.
Yeah.
It's got to listen.
Like, so the whole privacy thing...
I obviously have to think about that a lot.
My compromise in my own head, personally, is I don't have privacy and I know it, so I might as well get something back for it, which is convenience.
So if I'm going to have this Google Assistant on my phone...
I already have a GPS and Wi-Fi and all these sensors in my phone.
I might as well, like, Google, of course they know where I am.
So I might as well get something for it.
So maybe I'll get, like, shortcuts to, like, where I need to go.
You know where my work is.
Just give me a shortcut to traffic to work.
joe rogan
That's what's weird.
You'll be home in 12 minutes.
Like, bitch, how do you know where I live?
marques brownlee
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
How do you know when I'm home?
marques brownlee
But if you're going to know that, which I know you are because you're Google, then give me something back for it.
joe rogan
And, you know, restaurants near me, like, how do you know where I am?
You're watching me all the time?
You're constantly looking?
marques brownlee
It's basically...
So it knows, like, I have a couple of, like, preferences that seem, like, pretty minor.
Like, what sports teams do you like?
What sports do you enjoy watching?
Or, like, what sort of topics do you enjoy?
And if you open my Google Assistant, it will tell you, like, here's the score of the game you are about to check the score to.
Here's the traffic.
I have a flight later.
What it's going to do, and I know it's going to do this, is it's going to tell me when it's time to leave based on traffic, Based on my location to arrive to my flight 90 minutes before the scheduled departure.
It's going to tell me when to leave.
Because it knows where I am, it knows where the airport I'm leaving from is, it knows my flight, it knows my flight time, and it knows I need to get to the airport 90 minutes before the flight.
joe rogan
Does Google own Waze now?
marques brownlee
They either own Waze or bought.
I think they bought Waze.
joe rogan
So when you get something through Google Maps, it does kind of the same thing that Waze does, right?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
Yeah, they use data from Waze.
joe rogan
Which people who live in these neighborhoods where Waze is now rerouting people through.
I heard about that.
marques brownlee
I heard about that.
And I'm a Waze person, so I know I'm very familiar with the rerouting, and it's pretty hilarious.
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
People have these sleepy little communities, and now it's like streams of cars going through their neighborhood.
marques brownlee
Waze is great, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is great.
It is great.
I mean, it's amazing how well it predicts your time arrival, too.
marques brownlee
And the whole like notifying you when there's construction or police or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, it's excellent.
Cars broken down the right lane, you know shift to the left.
Yeah, you're gonna get around it.
marques brownlee
Yep.
joe rogan
I'm fascinated by all these advances and where they're taking us and I spend a lot of time thinking about it.
I spend a lot of time thinking about what where the future holds or what the future holds and where all this stuff is going and I never would have imagined 20 years ago that we would be all addicted to our phones, and one of the big issues would be one of the new features in the iPhone shows you how much screen time you have.
Because when we're doing this fitness challenge, your screen is on all the time because you're looking at your screen because it shows you the score.
So it's like, your screen usage this month is up 900%.
Like, oh no!
marques brownlee
That's not good.
joe rogan
I'm not counting this month, obviously, because of that, but there's something to addiction to phones and addiction to technology and the fact that it's so a part of our life that I can only imagine it's going to get more and more immersive and we're going to become more and more symbiotic with all this electronics.
I mean, you're wearing a watch that's telling you things all the time.
You have three phones with you.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
On one hand, I know that it's gotten...
At least recently, a little more in the spotlight.
Like, Google just added the same thing, a digital well-being feature, which tells you how much screen time you've had in certain apps and will let you restrict your usage of Instagram by, you know, a certain number of minutes, whatever.
It's doing the same thing.
They both introduced that within, like, six months of each other, which is kind of fascinating.
But on the other hand, I think, I think in my own head that I am not addicted yet.
unidentified
Yeah.
marques brownlee
I still unplug every weekend to play Ultimate and then I plug back in on Monday.
joe rogan
When you say you unplug, meaning you don't check your email, you don't check your texts?
marques brownlee
No.
I mean, if I get texts, then I get them.
But, like, as far as...
joe rogan
What does that mean?
marques brownlee
So, like, I have my stuff with me.
But, like, when we go play a tournament, that's, like, you'll have, like, five games in a day.
So we'll get up at, like, 7.30, you go to the fields, you put your bag down, you warm up, you play a game, you warm up, you play a game, you warm up, you play a game.
And you're done by, like, 4 or 5 p.m.
joe rogan
Wow.
marques brownlee
All day, no phone, no phone.
joe rogan
That's a lot of activity.
marques brownlee
Yes.
joe rogan
It's amazing you're not wearing your watch.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm missing out on a lot of points, man.
marques brownlee
I'd be whooping some people in this competition thing, but I'm clearly not.
So yeah, like all day, and then we'll have a team dinner, and then shower, sleep, wake up the next day, day two of the tournament, Saturday, Sunday.
joe rogan
You know what you need?
You need, instead of that wrist strap, you need like a forearm strap that's like on...
marques brownlee
Out of the way.
joe rogan
Yeah, like on one of those tennis wristband things.
marques brownlee
I know I have a couple friends that play Ultimate with that on under their jersey, but the watch is the points.
I don't know if the watch, if I put it up here, will still measure my heart rate and all that stuff the same.
jamie vernon
The MyZone thing syncs to a compression shirt, and I know you can sync the MyZone thing to your watch.
So you can do it that way.
I don't know if you could.
I'm pretty sure you can't play a watch.
joe rogan
What do you mean it syncs to a compression shirt?
jamie vernon
You have a compression shirt that has those little syncs.
joe rogan
Where did you get that?
jamie vernon
Through their website.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Huh.
jamie vernon
I'd have to like the shirt.
I almost bought it, but I did.
joe rogan
And you snapped the thing into the compression shirt?
jamie vernon
They have a bra for women and a shirt for guys.
joe rogan
Oh my god, I gotta get a bra.
Yeah, I'm going to get one of those.
Because mine's getting super sweaty, man.
This thing is losing a lot of its elasticity.
It's so gross, too.
It stinks.
jamie vernon
Well, you can wash it, but yeah.
joe rogan
Can you wash it?
Oh, I figured it couldn't.
jamie vernon
It's like soap and water in these lead dryers.
joe rogan
I thought it was electronic.
jamie vernon
Uh-huh.
It's like in a sink.
marques brownlee
Just the fabric part?
joe rogan
I just assumed that because all this stuff is like you have to bolt it into it.
But the sensors are making some sort of a contact with these buttons, which makes a contact with your plastic thing.
So don't wash this.
But the rest of it, it has to go through these pads to get to your skin.
I don't want it to be shitty.
Yeah?
jamie vernon
Get the shirt then.
Okay.
joe rogan
I'm gonna get the shirt.
marques brownlee
It's almost over, but yeah.
joe rogan
It's not almost over.
Not quite yet, man.
marques brownlee
It's not too late.
Overnight that.
jamie vernon
Four days.
joe rogan
Four days.
Yeah.
Augmented reality.
I know that there's talk about a contact lens that was being in development that was going to be some sort of a lens that's going to allow you to do a lot of minority report type shit.
marques brownlee
I think tech is...
Tech as I know it is too far from that to make that work.
Just because you need, like a contact lens you think of as just like this clear thing, maybe some circuits on it or whatever, but like you need a battery, right?
joe rogan
Unless it operates off your body.
marques brownlee
I guess.
joe rogan
There's a smart watch that operates off the heat of your body.
marques brownlee
Huh.
I mean, I don't know how direct...
Like, even if you do operate off of some other power source, you need to get that power source to connect to the electronics to make it work, which still takes some space.
I don't know how much.
So yeah, I don't know.
It seems kind of far out.
It's a cool idea.
But it also seems really, really difficult to put a contact lens directly in front of your retina and be able to focus on it.
There's a bunch of questions I have about it.
I don't know how reasonable or realistic it is.
joe rogan
My real fear is that they're gonna invent a better eye For blind people.
And when they do, they're like, look how amazing this is.
We've given blind people the ability to see again.
marques brownlee
Optical zoom.
joe rogan
But now they also have all these other features that you don't have with your regular eyes.
Let us scoop those bad boys out and put some fucking killer robot eyes.
marques brownlee
Binocular eyes.
joe rogan
I'm a little worried about that.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Realistically worried about that.
It came from...
We were watching this video once where there was a guy who got his arm and his leg bit off by sharks.
He got attacked by a shark when he's surfing.
So he had this carbon fiber hand that totally articulates like a real hand.
And he's standing there with his...
From his knee down was an artificial leg.
And he was walking around and moving like a regular person.
I was like, look at this guy.
This is incredible.
I'm like, he's kind of a bionic guy.
Because his hand was moving around.
He could shake your hand.
And he seemed so normal.
And I'm like...
What if it gets, like, many, many generations better than this, where it has, like, Luke Skywalker, when he got his hand chopped off by Darth Vader?
Remember, he got that robot hand, and he opens up.
marques brownlee
There's people working on this every day, so I kind of figure we're headed in that direction, where, like...
joe rogan
What's this, Jamie?
jamie vernon
I just Googled something.
It's not out yet.
This is called Immacula, which is an AR lens that you wear with sunglasses.
So, in...
Together, they make an AR situation.
marques brownlee
Oh, with the glasses.
joe rogan
So you have a lens as a contact and then sunglasses?
jamie vernon
Yeah, show you the picture that they...
unidentified
This is what they say they got.
What is immaculate?
jamie vernon
So you have a lens here, and these glasses go over top.
joe rogan
Look at that creepy dude.
marques brownlee
Wow, what a picture.
jamie vernon
It's not out yet.
It's just you can invest in it.
It's like how Magic Leap was about a year, year and a half ago.
joe rogan
I'm not invested in anything that uses this guy as their cover boy.
What's up with his face, man?
It's a fucking robot, man.
He's an alien.
He looks like the guy from Men in Black.
Remember when the alien put the skin on?
marques brownlee
Remember?
joe rogan
That's what he looks like.
Something wrong with the left side of his face, man.
He's wearing someone's skin.
marques brownlee
That's a weird system.
So a lens in a contact.
jamie vernon
Yeah, so the battery might be in the glasses.
marques brownlee
In the glasses.
jamie vernon
And it's working, and I don't know how it's connected, but...
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Wow.
Who knows what this is?
jamie vernon
It's also very, very new.
marques brownlee
Here's the other thing.
I don't need the information that fast, that bad.
I'm okay with the one second delay of picking up my phone and checking it.
You saw the examples where incoming call, the weather, your emails, things like that.
Information you can already get in two seconds by just Yep, I have an incoming call.
I have an email.
I have a text.
Like that's pretty quick.
joe rogan
Pretty quick.
marques brownlee
And I've said this before where someone is asking me like, are we at like the final form of smartphones?
Like where are they going to go?
Are they going to get bigger?
Are they going to get smaller?
Are they going to be implanted in you?
I think smartphones are at pretty much their final form.
We're going to keep evolving the insides of smartphones to be better.
They're going to get faster.
They're going to get more and more transparent, whatever.
They'll get more interesting looking.
But I think it's always going to be a thing I pick up and use and then put back down.
I think that's where we're at for a while.
joe rogan
What are your thoughts on Samsung's foldable screens?
marques brownlee
That I am very curious about because, again, sounds awesome, but why do I fold it?
Why?
joe rogan
Yeah, what am I doing with it?
And how big is it going to get?
marques brownlee
Yeah, so we had this idea a while ago when we started first getting these big phones.
We're like, oh, you could have a really big phone, like a tablet, but then you fold it in half and it's like a phone size now.
But, like, I might as well just have a phone and a tablet, unless I... I don't know if I need both.
joe rogan
Do you remember the Samsung...
What was that giant thing that they had that was bigger than a Note?
marques brownlee
Well, they have small tablets.
joe rogan
But they had a...
It was a phone.
marques brownlee
Oh, the Galaxy Mega?
joe rogan
Yes!
marques brownlee
The huge one?
Yeah, they had like a...
The weird thing is, like, that I think was like a six and a half inch screen.
And that's where we're at now.
joe rogan
Was it really?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
It was massive compared to what we had also in the market, which was like five inch screens.
joe rogan
I never saw one in the wild.
marques brownlee
I reviewed one.
It was way bigger than any other phone out.
But I'm pretty sure if I look back, that was like a 6.5 inch screen.
It was less than 7 inch.
I think that's the sweet spot.
7 inch screen, tablet.
6 inch screen, phone.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
And I think, yeah, this is a 6.2 inch screen.
This is a 6.5.
joe rogan
How big is the XS Max?
marques brownlee
6.5 inch screen.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What's that?
jamie vernon
It was 6.3.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
marques brownlee
So that's bigger than the Galaxy Mega.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Look at that thing.
Endless entertainment.
marques brownlee
Look at it.
Mega.
joe rogan
4x optical zoom.
marques brownlee
But that thing still had the forehead and the bezels and the chin and everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Not that bad, really, in comparison to like an iPhone 8. It's kind of the same.
Galaxy Mega.
16 gigabytes.
Woo, baby.
Wow, look at that thing.
That's so weird.
marques brownlee
I wonder what year that was.
That was like five...
No, don't tell me.
That was probably college, so like 2014, 2015. If you pulled that thing out, you were a pimp.
joe rogan
Like, what are you doing with that giant-ass phone?
marques brownlee
Watching movies all the time.
joe rogan
Battery life, 44 minutes.
marques brownlee
That was a fun time.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy when you connect your phone to your car.
marques brownlee
Here's the other one that just happened.
This tiny Palm phone.
I don't know if you've seen this.
So it's like a super small phone accessory to your normal phone.
So it does almost everything your normal phone does, but it's way smaller.
It has like half of the...
joe rogan
It says, congratulations, Pom, you've launched the stupidest product of the year.
marques brownlee
It's a phone accessory to your phone.
They could have just made a small phone.
That would have been fine.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
But then they made this whole thing where, like, oh, but it has to connect to your other phone, and then it uses the same phone number, but it works sometimes differently.
And Steph Curry is their ambassador, and I don't know anymore why someone would want to get that.
joe rogan
So how close does it have to be to your regular phone?
marques brownlee
I think it has its own data or something.
I don't know.
It's kind of like an Apple Watch.
It's an accessory to your phone.
That kind of is the same form factor as a phone.
You put it in your pocket, you go to the gym, and you just bring that instead of bringing the main phone?
Or you just go on a hike, and you just don't want to bring your whole setup, so you just bring the little...
joe rogan
I'd like to be in the meeting with whatever Cokehead came up with that idea.
marques brownlee
I don't know.
I can't think of any other really great reasons to have it.
joe rogan
I think the Apple Watch sort of has it nailed, right?
You get your notifications, but...
marques brownlee
It's an accessory.
joe rogan
It's crazy that you enjoy it, even though you're not even using it for a lot of the features.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're using it for the fitness aspect, and what else do you use on it?
Do you get, like, weather?
marques brownlee
Honestly, yeah.
So, like, I have the 4G version.
I get the weather and silly stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, so it has the ability to make calls.
marques brownlee
I do, but I never do.
joe rogan
You never do.
marques brownlee
Like, if I wanted to call a restaurant and see what kind of, you know, hours they have, I could say, hey, Siri, and make a call.
But, yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Now, is there nothing commensurate in the Google world?
marques brownlee
I mean, there's other smartwatches.
There is technically...
Samsung also makes their own, but...
joe rogan
They have a Galaxy smartwatch that has kind of a cool spinning thing.
marques brownlee
Yeah, Galaxy watch.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Yeah, it's probably the best Android-compatible smartwatch.
joe rogan
And Huawei has kind of a cool one, too, right?
marques brownlee
So, Huawei did this thing that I thought was...
It was a good try.
It was a good try.
It was a smartwatch that has a digital screen but then had a mechanical hand so that it looked like a normal watch when the screen's not on.
The problem with that is when you go to look at your notifications or whatever you get...
The hands are blocking the screen.
So they didn't really think too hard about it.
I mean, they got to that point and they're like, oh, you know what we'll do?
We'll have this button where you press it and then the hands move out the way.
And then the screen, the notification will move to the side so you can read it.
It was...
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
They tried.
They really tried.
They tried to be different.
I respect the hell out of that.
Good try, Huawei, but no.
joe rogan
Now, do people...
Do companies ever come to you and say, Hey, man, you're really good at reviewing these things.
Are we fucking up here?
marques brownlee
No.
Kind of.
Sort of.
Red came to me before this existed in this form.
It was in a prototype phase.
And they were still pretty far along, but it was kind of like, should we do this?
Like, should we put this here?
Should we keep the headphone jack?
I was giving them sort of small answers.
Oh, they kept the headphone jack?
Yeah, they kept the headphone jack.
Little things like that.
But for the most part, I think what a lot of people don't understand about product development is it happens many, many, many, many months before you ever see the product show up.
So I don't know if you remember like all the leaks about the Pixel 3 XL? All of them.
Guarantees six months before the phone came out it was done.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
Like they knew that that's what it was going to look like.
joe rogan
More than I think any phone that I can recall.
marques brownlee
Yeah, so that's the same as the iPhone.
Whatever the next iPhone is, they've been working on that iPhone, and it's probably gonna be a couple more months, and then they're finalizing design and things like that.
And so when you start to see phones come out around September and October, and they start to all kinda resemble each other, and then another one comes out and it looks the same, it's not like they saw the phone in early October and they were like, let's copy that, and then they made the next phone two weeks later.
They've been working on this forever.
The whole notch thing was, people were like, oh, I hope Google's trolling us and that's not really the notch and they're going to have this phone with no notch.
No, they've been working on this for a long time.
This is what they planned.
joe rogan
What is that one phone where the back slides up for the selfie camera?
marques brownlee
So there's two...
I think what you're thinking of is the Oppo Find 10. Yes.
Yeah.
That's a pretty...
I like the idea.
It's pretty cool.
joe rogan
But I'm like, man, how long is that thing going to work?
marques brownlee
That's the question.
It's going to get some potato chips in there.
Yeah.
Any little debris.
unidentified
Cheeto crumbs.
marques brownlee
The motors.
Yeah.
Phones are solid state for the most part.
For good reason.
You don't want a lot of moving parts in a phone that you're running around with.
There's another one called the Vivo Apex...
No, it's another Vivo phone, basically.
NEX is what it's called.
And it has just the selfie camera pop up at the top.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen that one too.
marques brownlee
And that's another thing.
It's like, well, what if a grain of sand gets in there?
Like, is it toast immediately?
joe rogan
Yeah, if you drop that sucker on the beach.
marques brownlee
If you drop it while it's open, is that over?
Vivo Nex S. Yeah, NEX S. Or Nex.
I don't know if I'm supposed to say Nex or whatever.
But that's a...
It's an interesting...
It looks cool.
Because now, look, you have the fingerprint reader under the glass.
You have all the way to the bottom is the screen and then all the way to the top is the screen.
And then you just have the selfie camera.
It looks awesome.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No bezels at all.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or basically no bezels.
marques brownlee
Pretty much.
joe rogan
Tiny chin at the bottom.
marques brownlee
So that's the idea is like we're in this sort of a race to get to a bezel-less phone.
And I guess that's the closest we can get right now.
It's just having a little mechanical thing pop out.
I think what we want is the stuff to be behind the glass.
joe rogan
Yeah, a camera behind the glass, but then how would you see the image?
marques brownlee
Yeah, so I think, based on what I know about the physics of the technology, you need an OLED display, and you need the camera to be behind the OLED display, and then when you light up The camera, you need a little black circle where those pixels are off so that they can shine through.
I don't know if this is all making sense.
I think you're still going to always have some sort of a black circle in the front of the phone somewhere.
joe rogan
Well, what's fascinating about iPhone versus Android is that there's so much more room for possibility with Android because you have so many different manufacturers.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
That are competing in that marketplace and trying to find some sort of a way to shine.
And that was where the Huawei, was it the Mate RS? Was it like the Porsche design version?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where I thought that was a really interesting phone because it was stupid expensive.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it had a gigantic battery.
It had an incredible 20 megapixel camera.
Great night photos.
Low light photos.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they really try to do, like, you know, Porsche Design does a lot of different things they do.
Sunglasses.
marques brownlee
Yeah, all kinds of merch.
joe rogan
Ballpoint pens.
They do all kinds of weird stuff.
It really has nothing to do with the car.
But what they really...
marques brownlee
Design.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They came up with something really high-end.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they showed there's some sort of a market for that.
Is that it right there?
Yeah, that's it.
marques brownlee
They did it again, yes.
It's a beautiful phone.
Now they did, with the Mate 20, they did the same thing.
It's a great-looking phone.
But it's, again, when you look at, like, how much you have to pay versus what extra you're getting, you might as well just get the Mate 20 Pro and not worry about the extra design stuff.
joe rogan
People want that Porsche design thing just to go, look at me, I'm a baller, I'm a private jet, bitch.
marques brownlee
They did the same, like, Porsche does that, Lamborghini does that, Ferrari does that, Tesla does that.
There is a...
Lamborghini edition Oppo Find 10. Yeah, I've heard.
It's like carbon fiber and yellow accents.
joe rogan
That's a badass-looking phone, though.
marques brownlee
Well, I put it on the car, and it looks dope on the car, of course.
joe rogan
That's a dope-looking phone, period.
Did you mess with that phone at all?
marques brownlee
I messed with the Mate 20, but not the Porsche design one.
But it comes down to, yeah, using the phone itself is going to be pretty much the same.
Once you get past the design, which is a little bit different, you open up the phone, and the software is...
You get a cool couple wallpapers, but it's the same phone on the inside.
A little more storage maybe, but basically the same thing.
joe rogan
I find it fascinating that they've decided to go that far out into the high-end deep end.
marques brownlee
Yeah, I guess you have to to differentiate yourself at this point.
joe rogan
It's like $2,000, right?
marques brownlee
Yeah, it starts at $2,000.
So as hype as you want to get about it, are you going to go pay $2,000 for that?
unidentified
No.
marques brownlee
Probably not.
joe rogan
But then when the Note 9 came out, it kind of took a lot of the wind out of their sails.
Battery was the same size, cameras fairly similar, big ass screen.
marques brownlee
And the other thing about phones is we got all these phones that are $1,000 now, and it's made it so easy to...
To just bump up the price of your phone and not have anyone blink an eye.
I've been thinking about that a lot.
We have the iPhone X starts at $1,000, right?
So then the iPhone XR came out, and I think they could have priced it anywhere from $650 to $850, and they just nestled it right in there at $750, and you're like, oh, that's way cheaper.
So then this phone comes out, Pixel.
Pixel 3 and Pixel XL. You probably don't remember what the Pixel 2 cost.
But the Pixel 3 starts at $799, which seems what?
That's pretty reasonable, right?
Mid-range?
That's $150 more expensive than last year.
Why?
What's so much better about Pixel 3 than Pixel 2 that it's $150 more?
The market has just lifted everything plus $200 so that $1,000 is a high-end now.
And I think that's what's convinced companies like Huawei.
If we want to compete with Apple and really make what seems and looks like a premium phone, we have to charge $1,200 so that people know it's better than the iPhone.
If we charge $800, they're not going to think it's better than the iPhone.
We have to charge more than Apple's charging to prove that we have more in our phone.
joe rogan
But OnePlus is interesting because they're really reasonable, but their specs are very high.
marques brownlee
I like them.
They've had a good history of, like, they usually listen to what people seem to want in a phone, and they're also good at, like, picking high-end numbers that look great on paper and usually translate pretty well to, like, using the phone.
But they always cut out...
They cut as many corners as they can to get the price as low as they can.
Their phone last year, it was about 550 bucks, right?
All glass, but no wireless charging.
But it's glass.
We have dual cameras.
We hardly ever use a second camera, but it's dual cameras.
8 gigs of RAM, Snapdragon 845. A lot of phones have the same specs now these days, but they've gotten pretty good at going the opposite direction.
We're not going to charge a thousand bucks.
We're going to make The same phone, trust us, it's the same, but for way less money.
That's a much more popular direction to go as far as sales.
joe rogan
Now, have they done the same strategy for the newest OnePlus?
marques brownlee
Yep.
And they're coming out with a new one this month.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
unidentified
OnePlus 6T. They keep the headphone jack?
marques brownlee
So far.
joe rogan
So far.
The headphone jack's a weird one, right?
It's like, how long is Samsung going to hold onto that sucker?
marques brownlee
Samsung's been very popular for keeping the headphone jack and not having a notch.
They're like the last ones to have a headphone jack and no notch.
joe rogan
Well, I'm a big fan of the way the Note 9 looks when I'm using it.
I'm like, that's a beautiful device.
It feels premium in the hand.
What do you think is wrong with it?
marques brownlee
With Note 9?
My biggest problem with Note 9 is the front-facing camera and the software.
And the software is not even that bad.
It's just, it's gotten slow for me quickly a lot of times, like I've been using Note 9. I also don't think it's the prettiest software.
I really like Samsung screens, so I know they can make good looking stuff.
But I think if they made, I don't know if you remember Google Play Edition when they used to do that?
If they made a Google Play Edition Galaxy Note 9, I would instantly buy that phone.
That would be sick because I love Google's software being cleaner and looking a little better.
joe rogan
Yeah.
marques brownlee
If you look at Samsung software, it looks kind of cartoony a lot of times.
Very colorful.
Not a problem, but it's just not my favorite.
joe rogan
I know some people have figured out a way to use the Google launcher on other phones so they make other phones look like a Pixel.
marques brownlee
Yeah, you can only go so far back.
You can use a Google launcher and you can use an icon pack to use Google icons, but still, you're going to have your settings pull down.
It's still going to look like Samsung.
You're going to have In the apps, like the settings app is still going to look like the Samsung settings app.
You're still going to have three email apps and three messaging apps and all this stuff Samsung always does.
joe rogan
Yeah, the messaging apps are weird.
You want this one to be your default?
I'm like, I don't know what that is.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is that one?
marques brownlee
I just want to use one and not have to think about it.
joe rogan
What's message plus?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why is it better?
marques brownlee
If you use a Verizon Samsung Note, I think you end up with three messaging apps.
joe rogan
Verizon Messages?
marques brownlee
There's a Verizon Messenger, and then there's the Message Plus, and there's Google's Messenger, and it's just a lot.
And then there's Hangouts, and then how do I even get in touch with someone anymore?
It's a lot.
joe rogan
I wonder if there's ever going to be a time where something happens technologically where the walled garden of Apple sort of dissolves and everything becomes accessible.
marques brownlee
Apple will fight till they die to let that wall go down.
They will never let that go down.
That's like one of their biggest, most prideful accomplishments is building that wall.
joe rogan
I mean, they really have nailed it.
Other than brand loyalty and other than the prestige of having an Apple product, which is all very high, that walled garden, that's where it's at.
marques brownlee
Have you ever tried to leave an iPhone?
joe rogan
I did.
marques brownlee
That's a whole thing.
joe rogan
It was a fucking nightmare.
marques brownlee
Yep.
joe rogan
I couldn't get text messages.
marques brownlee
That's very common.
joe rogan
And here's the thing.
I even called up Apple and I said, I want you to remove me from your...
marques brownlee
From my message.
joe rogan
Yeah, from your...
I gave them my email address.
I gave them a phone number, the whole deal.
And they go, why?
I go, because I went with a Pixel phone.
And it was like, pause.
Like I just ate a baby.
Like, it's a different phone, you fucks.
I'm trying to find a different phone.
Let me out!
marques brownlee
Let me out of the wall.
joe rogan
Let me out!
So then I call my friend.
I go, hey, man, send me a text.
Send me a text.
I sent it.
Shit!
Nothing.
I'm going to send you a text.
Nothing.
I'll go, okay.
I'm going to shut it off and turn it back on.
Nothing.
You have to start with a new phone number.
marques brownlee
The wall.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You have to literally start with a new number.
You have to start from scratch and people get that green message.
marques brownlee
I think that's a big reason why I don't make my main phone number an iPhone is because I know I'm like lowering myself into the garden.
Like I can use an iPhone but that will probably never be my main SIM. I have two SIMs.
My main number, the one everyone has, is an Android phone.
I think it'll stay that way as long as that's the way it is.
joe rogan
Well, I feel like you in your particular profession, you're a reviewer of all these things.
I think you kind of have to do that.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because otherwise you'd be in this weird position of...
marques brownlee
Not being able to leave.
unidentified
Yeah.
marques brownlee
That was the thing.
Okay, so there's a video Lou did actually this year.
joe rogan
We keep saying Lou.
Lou from Unbox Therapy.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
Clarify.
Which was like, we all went to CES in January.
We're all in Vegas every year in January.
And we just went around the room and just went, what phone do you use?
joe rogan
I saw that video.
unidentified
Yeah.
marques brownlee
What phone is in your pocket right now?
Take it out and show us what phone you use.
iPhone after iPhone after iPhone.
And there's a couple pixels in there.
But every time you ask an iPhone person, like, so why an iPhone?
And they're like...
Man, iMessage, FaceTime, like that ecosystem is real.
joe rogan
Lou seemed angry.
More people weren't using pixels.
marques brownlee
Well, there was a whole thing about just whatever phone.
There's a lot of people who do sponsored videos where they'll talk about a phone as if they use it, but they don't.
And that was one of the things that at CES specifically that we kind of had a laugh with at our studio because you would think, like, if you watched everyone's videos, like, oh, everyone's using a Huawei.
I guess Huawei had a big budget for CES and they just paid a bunch of people to make Mate 10 Pro videos at CES. So if you went into watching that video, like, what phone is in everyone's pocket?
I think you would just assume everyone's got a Huawei Mate 10 Pro and nobody did, which is really funny.
joe rogan
That's dirty.
marques brownlee
And then the other thing is about Huawei, I hate trashing Huawei, but I also kind of love trashing Huawei, is they have a lot of money to pay celebrities to tweet ads for Huawei, basically.
Gal Gadot being one of them, right?
Have you heard this story?
So she's tweeted a bunch of Huawei ads, and I noticed that while she's a brand ambassador for Huawei, tweeting ads about how much she loves her Huawei phone, if you look in the details of the tweet, it's always via Twitter for iPhone.
And it's like, whatever.
She can use an iPhone.
I don't care.
But I thought it was funny, so I just tweeted it.
joe rogan
It's very funny.
marques brownlee
It blew up.
And I had Huawei reach out to me like, how did you find this?
How did you know?
Where did you...
Is this a mistake?
Like, could this be a...
Like, has this ever malfunctioned?
I'm like, no.
That's how Twitter works.
Like, you can see the data.
It's clearly an iPhone.
unidentified
Yeah.
marques brownlee
And I thought that was hilarious.
That's my screenshot.
And so, not only did Gal Gadot block me...
joe rogan
Oh, Gal Gadot, the fucking Wonder Woman lady?
marques brownlee
Yeah, Wonder Woman.
joe rogan
Wonder Woman, you fucking fake.
marques brownlee
From an iPhone.
It's just funny because...
joe rogan
Look at the picture of her holding the phone.
That's so hilarious.
She blocked you?
marques brownlee
Not only did she block me, but Huawei...
Since then, they deleted her latest tweets and reposted them from an Android phone, and she's tweeted from an Android phone ever since.
I'll give her respect for that.
joe rogan
Wow.
They probably told her you're going to lose all that cash.
marques brownlee
There's no way she's tweeting.
She has a team.
I get it.
But whoever was on her team tweeting from an iPhone...
joe rogan
The fact that she blocked you, though, is gross.
marques brownlee
I thought that was hilarious.
joe rogan
That's gross.
marques brownlee
I thought it was really funny.
joe rogan
You didn't do anything mean.
marques brownlee
No, I didn't.
Well, I tagged her in it, and she probably was just getting barraged by people going, you're using an iPhone.
Why?
I think it was a year later she unblocked me.
It was really funny.
joe rogan
Oh, she unblocked you?
marques brownlee
She unblocked me.
Thanks, Gal.
joe rogan
Thanks, Gal.
Well, I really love her as Wonder Woman, and my friend Patty is actually directing that movie.
marques brownlee
Oh, nice.
joe rogan
Directed the first one.
She's directing the second one, too.
She says gal's a great gal.
marques brownlee
Tell gal I said hi.
joe rogan
Gal, it's okay.
You got busted.
marques brownlee
It's all good.
joe rogan
It happens.
marques brownlee
You're not alone.
You're 100% not alone.
That happened recently.
Razer, the company who made that Razer phone, tweeted their official announcement tweet of the Razer phone 2 from an iPhone.
unidentified
Boom!
marques brownlee
How?
joe rogan
Their speakers were excellent in the first one.
marques brownlee
They're even better.
joe rogan
Are they better in the second one?
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the second one has IP68 or 67?
marques brownlee
IP67, I'm pretty sure.
joe rogan
So water-resistant, up to like...
marques brownlee
Up to 30 minutes, one meter, something like that.
joe rogan
Not bad.
marques brownlee
You can splash it.
I wouldn't go underwater with it, but you can splash it.
joe rogan
But 68 is pretty damn good.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
68 is the new iPhone, and 68 is also the Note.
marques brownlee
Yes, both are 68. XR is 67. Pixel 3?
Pixel 3 is 68, I think, also.
But the weird thing about IP certification is it's just...
As far as I know, the way it works is you just submit the phone for a certain test, and if it passes, then you get to say it's certified.
And the only difference between IP67 and IP68 is IP67 is technically certified for 30 minutes, 1 meter.
And IP68 is certified for 30 minutes, 1.5 meters.
And the meter rating, sometimes it's two meters, sometimes it's a little more, but it's basically just a measurement of water pressure.
joe rogan
How much pressure is different than half a meter?
marques brownlee
I don't know.
I mean, water is heavy, but it didn't seem that significant to me.
But it's basically just water pressure.
So if you splash the phone a little harder, is it going to break versus an IP68 phone?
I don't know.
It just seems safe to get IP68 every time, but it must be a big enough difference that some of them can't do it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Huh.
Interesting.
Interesting.
marques brownlee
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, listen, man, I'm glad we finally got a chance to do this.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's really cool.
marques brownlee
It's a lot of fun.
joe rogan
I'm a giant fan of your videos.
marques brownlee
Thank you.
joe rogan
I really did, I mean, like I said at the beginning, I really do go to you immediately.
I think you do a fantastic job.
You cover all the bases.
You do a great job.
Awesome.
Awesome stuff.
marques brownlee
Thank you.
joe rogan
I appreciate that.
unidentified
Keep it up, man.
marques brownlee
For sure.
joe rogan
Give people the address of your YouTube channel, your Twitter, Instagram, all that jazz.
marques brownlee
It'll always be the same five letters, MKBHD. So, YouTube.com slash MKBHD. What does that stand for?
MKB is my initials.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
marques brownlee
HD for high definition.
joe rogan
Oh, alright.
There you go.
MKBHD on everything.
marques brownlee
Everything.
joe rogan
Alright.
Thanks, brother.
I appreciate it.
marques brownlee
No problem.
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