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Oct. 4, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1180 - Everlast
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everlast
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joe rogan
Five, four, three, two.
Ladies and gentlemen, live and available right now, Everlast, Whitey Ford, House of Pain.
everlast
You!
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
How are you, sir?
everlast
How are you doing, man?
joe rogan
Good to see you, brother.
unidentified
Good to see you again.
everlast
Been a minute.
joe rogan
You going to Vegas this weekend for the fights?
everlast
Yeah, man.
We got a little party the night before.
We were doing a little show at the Brooklyn Bowl with my buddy Evidence and my crew cycle around.
No headphones?
joe rogan
You don't want to wear headphones?
everlast
Oh, I'm going to put the headphones on.
joe rogan
I feel like I'm alone here with the headphones on.
everlast
There we go.
joe rogan
There we go.
everlast
Now we're on the same team.
joe rogan
Now we're locked in.
Is this out?
This is out, right?
everlast
Yeah, it came out about three weeks ago, something like that, maybe a month.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
everlast
I've been in Europe for the whole month, just touring, so...
joe rogan
This is like everything.
Everlast presents Whitey Ford's House of Pain.
everlast
Yeah, it's everything in the toolbox I brought to this record.
So that's kind of where the title came from.
It's been eight years since my last Real Studio album.
I figured, hey, maybe this could be the last one.
I hope not.
What?
You know my story with the family.
I dedicate a lot more of my time to the family just because of some of the extra issues we deal with, which everything is wonderful and great now.
Dude, I'm 30 pounds lighter than the last time I was here.
How'd you do that?
Honestly, it started here because I purposely came here that day.
It was the first time, if you remember, it was a while ago.
I haven't done a thousand podcasts since that day.
But it was the first time I had come out and they started talking about anything that was going on in my life in a public way.
You know, I got a lot off my chest that day, and I also planned that day to put myself in a position to hold myself accountable by stating, I don't feel good about the way I look right now.
And I reached out for like theoretically for help, you know, and I got an incredible response from the podcast audience and my own fans.
I mean, I got offered from everybody everywhere how to do this, that and the other.
Didn't really need that because within my own circle, some people stepped up and I also did it to hold.
Right.
I put it up there on the wall and stamped it and said, here's what I want out of life right now.
There's nobody stopping me but me.
And sometimes some of the things I used to get on and see you talking about, I'm not letting this inner bitch kick my ass today.
And I just started taking things like that to heart.
How'd you change?
What'd you do different?
We started talking about it last time.
Therapy, you know what I mean?
It's helped a lot for me because of this, you know, the added pressures our family faces with my oldest daughter having cystic fibrosis.
You know, it just, for a long time, it was just learning how to live life with it.
You know, and that got heavy.
There was some real dark, you know, heavy moments, you know, scary moments for her in the hospital, you know.
So, I mean, as a human, you know, you have this baby and you're just trying to figure out how to not...
Screw it up with a normal health situation.
This is this added thing.
It took a long time for me to come to terms.
At first, I got really angry.
I got into some real Lieutenant Dan, war with God kind of stuff at the top of the sailboat.
I was there all the way.
It got to a point where I almost got locked up for trying to fight a cop that was trying to just talk to me about something.
I just lost my mind.
I had no...
I had so much anger over so much that I wasn't dealing with.
And then I found a guy that just really got me, a therapist, and it began the ball rolling of understanding how to cope with a lot of that stuff.
joe rogan
Wow.
So, as far as like, first of all, you look really good.
everlast
Thank you, man.
joe rogan
Your face looks great.
Your skin looks good.
everlast
I'm taking a lot better care of myself.
joe rogan
It looks like it.
everlast
Thank you.
joe rogan
What are you doing different as far as how you eat?
everlast
Just eating cleaner.
Just trying not to be more aware of what's in the food and what's in the meat and stuff.
I'm still part of the whole commercial meat system, though I long to get into a situation where I'm hunting and doing things like that.
joe rogan
We had talked about that for a while.
You wanted to try hunting pigs at Tejon Ranch, right?
everlast
Well, I asked you what would be the best starting point, and you were like, you know, they got boar up there at El Tejon, and I know some guys.
And I actually contacted them, and I just, again, this life.
joe rogan
You're so busy.
everlast
It's not just this.
It's the added stress of, like, you know, I have a wife that when I go on the road, she's the sole handler of these problems, you know what I mean?
So these things pile on you, guilt and stress and all this, you know?
So yeah, it's just between that and when I'm home, I just invest myself.
I want to be home.
I want to do as much as I can to lift that weight.
So I get caught up by all the things I want to do, I can't do all the time.
But it started again, now I'm taking care of myself.
I'm actually about to start jiu-jitsu again, which I've been doing.
Really?
Yeah, because forever I was so goddamn fat in the middle.
Hip escapes were like, you know, I was hurting my back or my neck every other time I tried to do it.
I just quit because it was getting, you know what I mean?
I mean, I wasn't super advanced.
I was probably pretty close to getting a blue belt.
You know, I was about a year in on like four lessons a week with just the private, you know, I was with Marcus Vanessa said Beverly Hills Jiu Jitsu for a while.
Now I'm just looking to see what I want to do.
You know, I've talked to Eddie a few times.
I'm talking to a few other guys.
Cron has thrown some advice my way.
joe rogan
Are you doing any exercise at all besides that?
everlast
Cardio, not much weights or anything like that.
Just, you know, keeping it moving.
Two hours on stage a night.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's good to do something first.
I feel like...
I always tell people, like, jujitsu is so grueling that I think of why...
I mean, you could just jump in and you will get in shape through jujitsu.
But a good thing to do is, like, find a place that teaches you kettlebells and take some kettlebell classes and just get your body strong enough...
everlast
Well, I remember one of the things Marcus used to do, Marcus used to run me around the gym for 30 minutes before we could even start a lesson.
Like, I literally had to puke for the first, like, month.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's that old-school way.
everlast
And then it would take so long that he would be like, all right, you're past the puking thing, you've ran it.
But at first, I would, like...
Literally be run until I was puke.
And then the crazy part about it was 15 minutes after you felt great when you were doing the lessons.
So it all worked.
joe rogan
Yeah, the old school guys, that's how they used to do it.
They used to, like all the old school Carlson Gracie classes, you'd have a grueling physical workout first.
Hip escapes, push-ups, sit-ups, bodyweight squats, all this different stuff.
There's a good thought process behind that, not just that it gets you in shape, but also that you learn how to do jiu-jitsu when you're tired.
So that you learn how to just use technique and not use, like, physical strength.
everlast
Relax.
You almost have no choice but to relax.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's people that disagree with that though.
They think you should learn technique when you're fresh and it, like, sits in better.
But it's just two different schools of thought.
You know, I don't think either one is right.
It's definitely good to understand what it's like to be tired and how to train and how to push yourself when you're tired.
everlast
For sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
everlast
I'm excited.
I'm really looking forward to it.
Like, I just started talking about, like, about two weeks ago, really getting back into it.
joe rogan
Well, that's a lot of weight to lose, man.
That's a big accomplishment.
everlast
I got 15 to go to really to hit my goal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
everlast
I want to be 225. 225 is a good weight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Are you taking vitamins or supplements or anything along those lines?
everlast
Like a daily, but I have restrictions because I take blood thinners and stuff because of this titanium heart valve I have.
So I have to have a vitamin that's devoid of vitamin K because that's what makes your blood clot.
A lot of the juicing things and things like that when you want to go on a juice cleanse, I can't do it because a lot of it's kale-based.
And, like, kale is heavy green.
It's high in vitamin K. It'll totally, like, screw up my blood chemistry, you know, because I'm going the other direction with blood thinners.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
everlast
I have to, otherwise, like, a clock could hit, like, stick to that titanium valve, break off, and wind up in my brain.
You know what I mean?
And then I'm stroked out, and that's the last thing we need.
joe rogan
Fuck.
unidentified
Yeah, I remember when you put the microphone up to your heart, and you could hear that...
everlast
Yeah, I'm so, so, like, when I'm in here, I keep feeling like you can hear it anyways, like, all through this.
I hear it, it's white noise to me.
If I want to hear it, I can hear it.
I can take my pulse like this just by telling you.
joe rogan
Wow.
everlast
Two, three.
unidentified
You can feel it?
everlast
I can hear it in my own skull.
unidentified
Wow.
everlast
I can hear it in my bones.
I can hear it.
It's in me.
joe rogan
How long is that good for?
everlast
Forever.
joe rogan
Forever?
everlast
As long as I take care of myself.
I mean, it's been 20 years, literally, in 2018. It happened in 98. Wow.
And I just get, you know, as long as I keep the blood thinners going and, you know, I get checked, you know, two times, three times a year, you know.
joe rogan
And then the blood thinner, is it because if you got a clot, it would somehow or another get stuck in that valve?
everlast
A clot could, like, or, you know, it's a titanium valve, so the clot could actually form on it.
The metal, like, if the blood's too sticky and has too much clot, it could stick to the valve, then break off, and then wind up in your brain.
joe rogan
Whoa.
everlast
You know?
But to avoid blood clots in general, yes.
joe rogan
Right.
What's the difference between that and a regular valve?
What would happen with a regular valve?
everlast
Well, the other choice would have been a pig valve, and those are good for about 15 years.
joe rogan
They would have already had to open you up again.
everlast
Yeah, yeah.
I would have had to have it done.
I'd probably be due.
Yeah, I'd probably right now do.
Pig valve.
They do that for older people is what they do.
When you get into your 60s, they'll really explore that.
Pig valve.
They don't think you're going to be around 50 more years.
joe rogan
They just say, here, just for now.
everlast
It's called a St. Jude's artificial valve.
joe rogan
Powerful medical technology.
Eddie Bravo's got a titanium disc in his back now.
everlast
Yeah, he just had a surgery.
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, his back moves around great.
He was fully compressed where there was nothing left.
It was basically bone on bone.
He was in pain all the time.
And they just opened him up and put a fake valve in there.
everlast
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Or a fake disc, rather, in there.
But it's articulating.
So it moves around like a regular disc.
It's not like he's fused.
You're seeing people that are all Yeah, they get the fuse.
everlast
I have a friend that got that done.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're super stiff.
Like, wherever it is, it's basically locked down.
There's no movement to it anymore.
But Eddie's is actually, it moves like a real disc.
everlast
Yeah, the shit that's gonna be coming down the pipeline is gonna be crazy, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I know people with fake everything.
I know people with fake hips and fake knees and...
unidentified
Fake butts.
everlast
Fake heart valves.
joe rogan
Fake heart valves.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
donald cerrone
I mean, at a certain point in time, they're just going to replace your whole body and take your brain out and put it in some new body.
everlast
Or you're just going to be able to download your consciousness.
joe rogan
Well, that's what Elon was saying.
everlast
Yo, your man got in mad trouble!
joe rogan
He didn't really.
everlast
It made some noise, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, but here's the deal, dude.
When you got $25 billion, all trouble is bullshit.
everlast
Truth.
joe rogan
It's like, good luck with your trouble.
everlast
Yeah.
You're in trouble, Elon.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
He's out there with a fucking flamethrower shooting rocket ships into the atmosphere.
everlast
Yeah, that flamethrower is crazy, too.
joe rogan
He does whatever he wants, man.
He's basically like a little kid who's a genius.
everlast
Can you actually buy that?
Is that, like, for sale?
joe rogan
Not anymore.
There's one right there.
unidentified
Oh, you're kidding.
joe rogan
There's one right there.
Yeah.
He sold them all out in like two days or something, right?
unidentified
Oh, man.
everlast
I don't doubt it.
I would have been on it had I been hit.
joe rogan
What are you going to do with it, though?
everlast
It's just fun.
It's just you have a flamethrower.
joe rogan
But it's literally called not a flamethrower.
Yeah.
everlast
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's basically what you saw in the movie Aliens.
Remember the second Alien when they're shooting the flames at the aliens?
That's what that thing is.
everlast
Yeah, I seen him on something just the other day.
Was it here where it looked like he was going to set the building on fire?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was in here.
Yeah, that was on my Instagram.
Yeah, he's a madman.
The world needs more of those.
More people like him.
Not more flamethrowers.
everlast
Yeah.
Plenty of flamethrowers.
joe rogan
So, uh, you looking forward to the fights this weekend?
everlast
I'm super jacked for it, man.
You know, we got this little show before.
joe rogan
Is anybody coming out to jump around?
everlast
Um, I don't know.
joe rogan
They have to.
everlast
They, you know, I'm waiting for Conor to, you know.
joe rogan
How does he not adopt that song?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, he comes out to Sinead O'Connor, right?
everlast
Like, he does, like, usually, like, that into, like, the Notorious, like, song.
unidentified
Like, the, you know, the, I don't know, the Notorious.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah.
Who was coming out to jump around?
Marcus Davis did.
everlast
He did.
I know Cavillo, the female fighter.
joe rogan
Cynthia Cavillo?
everlast
Yeah, Cavillo.
Thank you.
I know she comes out to jump around.
I met her at a fight.
She was super cool.
joe rogan
Quite a few people have come out to it.
everlast
I think Mashida came out to it once.
unidentified
Really?
everlast
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's over in Bellator now.
everlast
I'm not always sure they have a choice.
Sometimes I just think Dana says, you're coming out to jump around.
joe rogan
Well, he definitely takes away bad choices.
unidentified
I might be the sub when there's a really shitty choice.
everlast
Like, here, throw that in there.
joe rogan
But then Darren Till came out to Sweet Caroline.
He came out to, uh, who was that?
everlast
Neil Diamond.
joe rogan
Neil Diamond, yeah.
And he had the whole crowd singing along.
I'm like, this is crazy.
everlast
It's crazy.
Was that in Boston or in that area of the country?
joe rogan
No.
It was, uh, where was that fight?
Chicago?
everlast
Chicago makes sense.
Neil Diamond.
joe rogan
Wasn't in Chicago?
No.
Dallas.
It was Dallas.
everlast
That's strange.
That's a little weird.
unidentified
He should have came out to Hank Williams.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was weird.
It was weird.
Yeah.
It's just like, you know, that's a big deal.
Like, walkout songs are a big deal.
You can't have a whack walkout song.
everlast
The thing for me is when I hear one of my songs, I'm just always like, oh, please win.
I'm just like, oh, please win.
joe rogan
Imagine if your song becomes a curse.
everlast
Yeah, it's like, oh, man, come on, man.
joe rogan
Like, John Anik does stats on fist bumps.
Like, how many times people fist bump Bruce Buffer whether or not they win or lose.
And Diego Sanchez broke the curse in his last fight.
He fist bumped Bruce and he won.
everlast
So the fist bump was a curse.
joe rogan
We were trying to figure it out.
everlast
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Because he was like, I think it's like 50-50 right now, like whether or not people, when they fist bump Bruce Buffer, whether they win.
And there was a bad streak for a while, like three or four people in a row lost that were fist bumping.
You know, Bruce gives you the intro, you know, when he gives you the intro, you know, Diego, Nightmare Sanchez!
everlast
Yeah, I see.
joe rogan
He gives you a little fist bump.
And if you fist bump him back, if you do engage in that, like Annick was trying to figure out, Annick is kind of a degenerate gambler in the most positive way.
I mean, he's not losing his family or his life, but he fucking loves gambling.
And so he's always giving you stats on this and that.
everlast
Finding something to put a bet on, right?
joe rogan
I mean, it's not even things he actually bets on, but he's always thinking that way.
everlast
Could you bet on it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I wonder if you could bet on how many people who fist bump Bruce Buffer.
everlast
You could find somebody to take the bet.
joe rogan
The thought process would be you're not totally in the zone if you got the time to fist bump Bruce Buffer.
I'm not sure if I'd buy it though.
everlast
No, because it's also your moment when he's saying your name and it's like, I'd be in that.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's tricky.
Tricky.
everlast
Well, it sounds like it's about even, so it's just one of them things.
joe rogan
Someone should do stats on it, because John Anik has only done, like, you know, just off the top of his head.
everlast
There's some guy in his basement right now starting.
unidentified
Oh, for sure.
everlast
Starting to watch the fights.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
everlast
Write it down.
Okay, let's take the notes.
joe rogan
Well, you could basically bet on anything these days, right?
everlast
In Vegas, yeah.
You could pretty much find a lot of things that you wouldn't think you could bet on that you can.
joe rogan
I don't even bet, but I like the fact that you can bet on everything.
Why not?
everlast
Over-unders, coin flips.
joe rogan
And it's also, I like that it's freedom.
I don't like this idea that people are telling you what you can and can't do with your money.
Like, you can't gamble your money away.
You have to go to a spot in the desert.
Like, why?
Says who?
Says who?
Like, why can't you gamble right here?
Why can't you have a casino on every corner?
Who cares?
unidentified
Like, well, people are going to lose their paycheck and lose their family and lose their...
joe rogan
Will they really?
Will they really?
Is that what's going to do it?
Is it the casino?
everlast
Maybe for a while, but then people will be like, you know, we shouldn't go there as much.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like the infantilization of people.
You know, keep them, protect them from themselves.
You don't protect them from liquor stores or fast cars.
You know, those things are everywhere.
everlast
Everywhere.
joe rogan
Good point, right?
everlast
Yeah.
I'm with you, man.
joe rogan
I could never live in Vegas, though.
I could live in Vegas, you know, if it was between Beirut and Vegas.
You know, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Vegas.
everlast
For sure.
joe rogan
Let's do it.
I'll figure it out.
But, you know, it just, it seems to me like, this just, the whole thing is, it's built, I mean, there's shows and it's wonderful and there's neon and there's great restaurants and all that stuff, but it's also built on you losing money.
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
The whole thing is built on you losing money.
everlast
And what's the real population of Vegas?
Like a half a million people?
Of people that aren't there visiting, gambling, and for the fuckery?
joe rogan
Let's take a guess.
everlast
I'm guessing like half a million people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I bet you're about right.
Six?
jamie vernon
630,000.
everlast
I'm not that far off, man.
joe rogan
Pretty close.
Yeah, it's a good guess.
everlast
Would that have been...
That's close enough to win the bet.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, if the price is right.
everlast
Yeah, so you've got a real small town there that's acting like a city, too.
It's kind of weird.
unidentified
Right.
everlast
You know?
joe rogan
Well, like, what is the population at any given time with all the hotels filled?
everlast
Oh, I would probably guess...
joe rogan
Like, this weekend's a big weekend.
everlast
At least double.
joe rogan
More than that, probably, right?
everlast
I'm saying, at least, even like an off-season, off-day, you're probably at least double that.
joe rogan
But a lot of the folks that work in Vegas, they live in like Henderson or something like that, where you can go into a nice neighborhood, your kids can ride bikes in the street.
It's like normal.
everlast
Over there to Summerlin, too.
That's really nice over there.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, there's a few of those spots that are like normal.
everlast
I actually like staying over there at that Red Rock.
joe rogan
That's nice.
everlast
Yeah, I don't like the strip.
There's too much fuckery, man.
joe rogan
Exactly.
That's why I like you.
everlast
Get quiet.
If I want the fuckery, I'll take a cab to the fuckery.
unidentified
Exactly!
joe rogan
The fuckery's over 40 minutes away.
jamie vernon
This actually says there's one and a half million people there.
joe rogan
At any given time?
jamie vernon
Probably more like that, yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So for the fights, what about a big fight weekend?
jamie vernon
What I'm looking for?
I typed in for hotels.
How many people are in the hotel rooms?
I guess there's 148,000 rooms.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Dude, there might be 148,000 Irish people there this weekend.
Just screaming.
If you're there this weekend, just pay attention because it's going to be bananas.
The last time for the Mayweather fight, there was a video that someone posted of Mandalay Bay.
And Mandalay Bay was not even where the fight was taking place.
And the Irish had this one hallway completely filled and they were all singing.
They were singing some crazy Irish song.
everlast
They shut down like 6th Avenue in New York.
joe rogan
They don't give a fuck.
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's one little island.
It's a little island.
everlast
It's not big.
They all got on a plane.
joe rogan
It's fucking crazy.
everlast
And there's a lot of us here, too.
You know when I say us.
joe rogan
I got a little in me.
everlast
One quarter.
There's so many more Irish or Irish...
Part Irish people in America.
There's more than there are Irish people in Ireland.
joe rogan
They did a lot of fucking.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They came over here and did a lot of fucking.
everlast
And they weren't discriminated about, you know, color or creed or any of that.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, Jamie's got a notorious t-shirt on with the Irish flag.
Look at you, savage.
Is that available at youngjamie.com?
jamie vernon
There's a link there if you need it.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
Powerful commerce.
everlast
I want to try this whiskey, honestly, that he's got.
Yeah, you're a whiskey expert, right?
Yeah, I want to lay hands on it and see.
joe rogan
What's a good whiskey?
everlast
I actually was going to bring you a bottle of this, and I will next time, but I didn't because of respect for Sober October.
joe rogan
Sober October may be falling apart, I'm going to tell you right now.
Ladies and gentlemen, Burt Crusher's going on a cruise, and Ari Shafir and Tom Skurra both gave him the green light to drink.
Because this fitness challenge is falling apart.
Meanwhile, Bert is strongly in last place.
Yeah, all that talk about the Mickey Mantle gene, he's not even close.
But what's fascinating is Ari Shafir is very close to me.
He posted today before my workout, that sneaky bitch, that he was ahead of me.
But that's how close he is.
He's so close that before his workout, he was like 100 points ahead of me.
Before my workout, rather.
After his.
Now he's like 400 points behind me.
But that's close.
400 points is one workout.
If you're an asshole and you want to get on a fucking treadmill for two hours, you can bang out 400 points.
I banged out 500 today.
507 at the end of the workout.
everlast
You're a beast, dude.
joe rogan
It's not a beast, man.
It's boring.
Red breast.
I was watching Gladiator.
There's little red spikes in my workout where I hit 90%.
That's when the fights were happening.
I got amped.
jamie vernon
You might end up doing podcasts while you're on an elliptical for the end of the month.
joe rogan
Eh, it would suck.
everlast
Red Breast is my favorite new whiskey.
joe rogan
Red Breast?
Who makes that?
everlast
It's Red Breast.
It's like an Irish whiskey.
I'm going to bring you a bottle of the 20-year-old.
It's gorgeous.
joe rogan
20 years old?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
everlast
It's beautiful.
joe rogan
What was that shit that we drank with Stanhope that was really good?
Was it Stanhope?
No.
jamie vernon
Elon.
Stanhope brought it.
Yeah, old camp.
joe rogan
Stanhope brought it.
And doesn't some band make it?
jamie vernon
That's the...
joe rogan
Florida Georgia Line or some shit?
Do they make it?
Is it theirs?
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're like a pop band.
They make a good whiskey.
everlast
They're like a country band, I think.
Country pop.
jamie vernon
Whatever.
joe rogan
Listen, man.
If you call yourself country, but you get them fake rips in your jeans, you can go suck a bag of dips.
Okay?
That ain't country.
Not saying that they have that.
I don't even know.
But you know what I'm saying?
Like, those fake rips in the jeans drive me...
everlast
I might have a couple little fake rips in my jeans over here.
joe rogan
I don't think you do.
I checked.
Those fake rips drive me goddamn bananas.
Like, what are we?
We're pretending that we work hard?
What are we, pretending that we've had these jeans for a long time and they're special to us?
Or do we just buy them off the shelf at Macy's pre-ripped?
Like, assholes.
Like, where the fuck did that take place?
Like, if our grandparents, who made it through the Depression, could come over here and see us buying ripped jeans, they would realize, like, what is wrong with this nerfed up, softened down, fucking shitty country we live in right now.
everlast
America.
joe rogan
It's too easy.
Too easy to get by.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
We need wolves in the streets, young Eric.
unidentified
Wolves.
Wolves.
everlast
You'll get me started, dude.
joe rogan
Can't be running around with fucking fake rips in your jeans.
I mean, I'm Brendan Schaub.
One of my best friends does that.
Oh, who's this?
That's them.
That's them with the...
Ah, I nailed it!
I didn't even mean to nail it.
I didn't even mean that.
I just took a wild guess.
I don't know a goddamn thing about these fellas.
Go to that other one.
Go to that last picture.
everlast
You're going to make me put the glasses on here.
joe rogan
Look at those jeans.
Make that bigger.
He looks like he got attacked by a shark.
everlast
I got some paint.
joe rogan
Oh, you do have some.
You got some fucked up shit on your jeans.
everlast
I'm going to keep it real, though.
I'm not going to let you go in on them and not come claim my jeans here.
joe rogan
Listen, I should shut the fuck up.
I'm basically wearing yoga pants.
I got these barbell jeans on.
These aren't even jeans.
These are goddamn yoga pants.
everlast
All jeans are made of weird, like, this ain't...
I mean, well, these don't do that.
joe rogan
These aren't even jeans, though.
everlast
These are actually denim.
joe rogan
These are, like, they might as well be spandex.
I might as well be wearing yoga pants.
everlast
But most pants are that now.
Even the ones that look like jeans, a lot of them are that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They feel better.
It's technology.
everlast
It's called advancement in human civilization.
joe rogan
Yeah, you want to drive a car with leaf springs like an asshole?
Or do you want some new magnetic...
Cadillac Escalade.
everlast
You want the breeze to, you know, cruise through your pants?
Or you want to, you know, be sweaty all your time?
joe rogan
The breeze from fake holes?
I'll take the sweat.
Like a man.
everlast
I'm going to rock mine because I got skinny enough to wear these motherfuckers.
joe rogan
Okay, I respect that.
everlast
I'm going to wear these motherfuckers.
And wifey likes these motherfuckers.
joe rogan
Well, that's two pluses.
Just don't wear cowboy boots.
everlast
Oh, hell no.
We rocking the sneakers for life, dude.
joe rogan
My friend Cam Haynes, he wears them cowboy boots, and I just shut my mouth, looked down at those big old wooden heels, and I think Andrew Santino's bit.
You ever seen Andrew Santino's bit?
He's got a bit about dudes who wear cowboy boots.
Holy shit, is it funny.
Oh my god.
everlast
Oh, look it up on the tube.
joe rogan
I don't even know if it, he might not even put it on a special yet, but he's got a whole bit about dudes dressed up, like, with cowboy hats on and cowboy boots.
It's fucking hilarious.
Anyway, but I digress.
What's this cow skull with the third eye?
What's that?
everlast
Just a sweatshirt I liked.
joe rogan
Okay.
I like it too.
everlast
It's a brand called Adaptation.
joe rogan
Hmm.
Interesting.
everlast
It has a fake hole in the elbow.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
everlast
Sorry, dude.
joe rogan
Jesus.
everlast
Full disclosure.
I'm not going to not tell the truth.
joe rogan
What is happening with the holes?
How did that happen?
What happened to us?
everlast
I'm sorry, dude.
I'm disappointing you so much.
joe rogan
The reality is, this is what's fucked up.
Why does it look better?
Because it kind of does.
It kind of looks better.
If you're wearing a shirt and it's got like, even if it's a new shirt, but it's got like those little holes around the collar, little tiny holes, like a little bit of rip here, a little tiny rip there.
Why does it look better?
everlast
I don't know.
Maybe there's some psychological way of ripping things that some people are more talented at it that they just know where to make it cool.
joe rogan
They make it look like you're comfortable.
everlast
I mean, when we were young, if you had a pair of Levi's where the knee was getting thin, we would advance that shit.
You know, there was something cool.
Yeah, if it was like, we didn't rip them up like they do nowadays, but say you had a pair of jeans long enough, the knees would get thin.
If they ripped a little, you'd just kind of run with it, maybe stress them out, rip them a little bit more.
Yeah, why not?
joe rogan
I don't like that.
everlast
Oh, well.
joe rogan
Presenting the $1,625 designer t-shirt complete with tears and holes.
Okay.
We can all agree.
If you buy that, you're a fucking asshole.
everlast
If you spent $1,000 on a t-shirt, you're kind of an asshole.
joe rogan
The only good thing about that is I think that's a ladies t-shirt and them holes are right above them titties.
And all she has to do is bend over to tie her shoes and it might not be a nip slip.
It might be a nip poke through.
Right?
Like, look where those holes are.
everlast
Quite possibly.
joe rogan
Those titties are jutting out.
Right?
Look at that.
everlast
You know how that works, too.
She might not even be wearing that shirt.
joe rogan
That might not even be a person, bro.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
That might be a mannequin.
everlast
Yeah, they do things and they just put different shirts on shit with Photoshop and shit now.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's a stupid shirt.
That's a $1,600 shirt.
unidentified
There's a stupider shirt.
everlast
Look at this one.
There's a t-shirt that has a button-down shirt sewn to the front of it.
Dude, it was like on the blogs a couple weeks ago.
You know what I'm talking about.
See, he's in the sneaker blogs.
Some of that shit leaks through and shit.
So I'm like, you see like these crazy designer crazy bullshit.
joe rogan
Do you wear Yeezys?
everlast
I have a couple pairs, but I don't really wear them that much.
joe rogan
Thank you.
everlast
I'm more of a Jordan guy.
joe rogan
You ever thought about lighting them on fire?
everlast
Sometimes, like, when I, you know, the dude's kind of batshit crazy.
I actually say that on his album.
I say I'm batshit crazier than Ye and Sarah Palin.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
everlast
Yeah, that's a real thing.
joe rogan
Oh, good lord.
everlast
That's a real thing.
joe rogan
So one side has a t-shirt, and then the other thing is sewn to the front, but it looks like it's hanging there.
unidentified
Yeah, it's just hanging.
everlast
It is just hanging there.
joe rogan
But it doesn't even look like you're wearing it.
everlast
It's stapled to the front of your shirt.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Hold on.
Go back to that price.
jamie vernon
Yeah, $1,300.
joe rogan
$1,300?
everlast
That's what I was saying.
That's worse than the t-shirt.
jamie vernon
I'm going to buy one right now.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
$1,300.
unidentified
Wow.
everlast
For that.
joe rogan
Did you see Kanye jumped on the table at a university?
Was he talking about leaving Elon Musk alone?
everlast
That dude's lost his mind, man.
joe rogan
What's going on?
everlast
I don't know, man.
You know, there's a lot of people that speculate, and that's all I would say this is from me.
But ever since that man's mother died, he's been on a downward spiral, like, losing his shit.
I think he's suffering from some serious mental shit.
joe rogan
No bullshit.
He did get into a serious car accident, right?
Broke his jaw.
He was seriously injured.
everlast
A few years before that.
joe rogan
That is not a joke.
everlast
No.
joe rogan
Like brain trauma and...
Listen, I'm not a doctor or anything remotely related to one, but I've been around a lot of people who've been hit in the head a lot.
That shit's real.
Like, that will change your brain chemistry.
It's 100% legit.
Like, getting hit in the head is no bueno.
And car accidents will fuck people up forever.
Some people.
Some people are okay.
They recover.
Boy, there's a lot of people that come back from some significant head trauma and just, they're scrambled, man.
And he might be one of those.
And it also might be what I talked about in my last special, Triggered.
But you live with crazy bitches long enough.
everlast
I remember that.
joe rogan
Something happens.
everlast
You were talking about the soul-stealing succubi.
joe rogan
It might be true.
everlast
Dude, that was an amazing routine, I gotta tell you.
joe rogan
Well, I was trying to figure out a way that I'd get away with making fun of Bruce Jenner without being called transphobic.
I had to go a circuitous route.
everlast
It was brilliant.
joe rogan
I had to go a long route, but I had to drag Kanye in there, too.
everlast
I had to drag Kanye in there, too.
joe rogan
I had to drag Kanye in there, too.
everlast
Dude, drag every male that's gone into that circle into it.
joe rogan
Every one.
everlast
Every single one.
unidentified
We lost them all.
everlast
It's spectacular.
joe rogan
Spooky.
everlast
Lamar Odom was like a world champion basketball player, dude.
joe rogan
He just got cracked out.
everlast
Reggie Bush, what happened to him?
joe rogan
Reggie Bush got wise and fucking bailed.
He's got my old car.
Reggie Bush has my 1970 Barracuda.
everlast
Is that right?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
I sold it to this other dude and this other dude sold it to Reggie and he drives around that car.
It's a dope car.
everlast
That is a dope car.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he's got some taste.
And he got wise.
everlast
Weird things are going on over there, man.
joe rogan
He smashed and bolted.
That's how you do it.
And he smashed before the fake ass came into the picture, too.
everlast
That's another phenomenon I don't even understand.
Diaper butt.
It's like, well, I like a nice round butt.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
everlast
I like a real one.
joe rogan
There's my car.
There's Reggie Bush driving it.
Well, it's not my car.
It's his now.
Look at that, Reggie.
You glorious bastard.
everlast
You had her first.
joe rogan
Yeah, not a really good car.
Really good car to look at.
jamie vernon
That's a reference.
joe rogan
How to get rid of it.
Oh yeah, that's the Ray J song, right?
everlast
I didn't even realize that.
I was just making an innuendo.
joe rogan
Right.
everlast
But there you go.
jamie vernon
Full circle.
joe rogan
You wouldn't want to take second place to Reggie Bush, too.
That guy is built like a brick shithouse.
You know he was smashing that.
Right?
Whatever damage he did to that, he probably was like a car accident.
Maybe all that fake ass shit came after him.
You get hit by that dude?
jamie vernon
I read she used to wake up before him and get hot towels ready and put his toothpaste on his toothbrush.
joe rogan
Smart.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Treat him like a king.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Probably just smashed it.
She's probably all day just delirious, just from all the orgasms, just walking around, bumping into walls and shit.
This is a picture of him and her by the pool, and you look at him and you go, that guy must be just smashing that.
He's a super athlete.
I mean, that guy is built like a fucking superhero.
everlast
All of them, that's all they really date.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
everlast
For the most part.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Except Kanye.
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
You need to settle down.
Catch your breath.
everlast
And he came behind a basketball player, too, right there, right?
That's right.
That basketball player, too.
joe rogan
That dude who was on the show all the time.
That guy was on the show all the time.
everlast
Yeah.
unidentified
Crazy.
everlast
I can't even see living your life out there in fucking public, just every fucking bit of your business.
Oh, that would be a nightmare to me.
joe rogan
Well, it's also not interesting, but yet edited so well that you just go slack jaw and you just watch.
They switch from one scene to another quick enough so that you keep watching it, and when it's over, nothing happened.
unidentified
Nothing.
joe rogan
And you're like, what the fuck did I do with my hour?
everlast
You gave it to them, and they advertised like 18 products that they got paid for.
joe rogan
And they made a fucking ass load of money.
When you find out how much that family has made, you just go, wait, wait, wait, what?
everlast
What?
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
everlast
Can't hate.
joe rogan
Can't hate.
You shouldn't.
You should make fun.
everlast
Make fun all day.
joe rogan
Yeah, make fun all day.
everlast
Please.
That's our God-given right.
When you get that much money, if I get that much money, I can't even get mad no matter how much fun you make of me, no matter what I do.
I could be a saint, you still could make fun of me because I got that much money.
That's just the way it goes.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you want to talk about someone out there.
Those fucking people are out there.
They got everything out there.
everlast
Yeah, they're living like performance art.
joe rogan
They're like living in a giant glass house on a pedestal in the middle of a city.
everlast
That's where all that comes from, though.
It's like, you know, the fake asses and all that.
You got to keep the spectacle alive almost, you know what I mean?
If it's not a spectacle, it's not interesting, like you're saying.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have to keep changing things.
everlast
If it's not an absolute spectacle to the vision...
Your brain will catch on to my favorite word, fuckery.
joe rogan
Yeah, I love that word too.
everlast
It's my favorite word.
joe rogan
It's a great word.
It really is like a great...
First of all, it's a word that you can get away with no matter what.
It's not a word that eventually you won't be able to use anymore.
Fuckery is just going to be around forever.
And it is perfect for nonsense.
everlast
Yeah.
I've been...
My English friends for years were saying fuckery.
That's the thing.
It's only recently catching on over here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Really?
everlast
In the last, like, you know, 10 years.
I'm talking about since the 80s, I've been hearing fuckery.
joe rogan
I'm trying to figure out when I started using it.
I started using it in regards to martial arts, like fake martial arts.
everlast
I use it in all kinds of cities.
You can use it lightheartedly.
You can use it seriously.
joe rogan
Yeah, it works with everything.
everlast
It's as versatile as just plain old fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Steve Maxwell, that's where I got it from.
I started using it with Steve Maxwell.
He was describing some fake martial arts, talking about...
Because, you know, Steve's a black belt in jujitsu, and he's like, yeah, it's a lot of fuckery.
And I was like, ooh, I like that word.
everlast
It's a great word.
joe rogan
That's a word I'm going to keep using.
jamie vernon
I just looked it up to see if there's a good definition, and it says it's also a definition for, another word for a brothel.
joe rogan
A fuckery?
everlast
A fuckery.
Holy shit.
Dude, you just, like, opened my brain in a new way.
joe rogan
Of course.
I was like, duh.
Of course they call it a fuckery.
everlast
Are you going to the fuckery?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, like a brewery, a fuckery.
everlast
Oh, that's too good.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
everlast
That never would have dawned on me had you not just told me that.
joe rogan
A brothel, vulgar slang, uncountable sexual intercourse.
What?
jamie vernon
It means that which is fucked up.
joe rogan
That which is fucked up is...
That one just fucked up.
It's a hilarious definition.
everlast
It is a fuckery.
joe rogan
That is hilarious.
A fuckery.
everlast
I had only used it in its verb form.
It's actually a noun.
There is a fuckery.
joe rogan
A fuckery.
A place.
A place where you can get your fuckery on.
everlast
Dude, that's brand new.
That's like literally brand new.
jamie vernon
The translation into French, I guess, is what it says.
joe rogan
Oh!
French.
They figured out a lot of shit.
Have you ever been to Paris?
everlast
Oh, I love Paris.
joe rogan
It's one of my favorite cities.
Did you ever go to that place underneath that has all the skeletons?
everlast
No, I have not been to the catacombs.
Friends of mine have gone, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, I want to go, man.
I want to go and see that.
everlast
Yeah, you can get tours and all kinds of shit like that.
joe rogan
What was that?
The people that died in the plague?
Is that what it is?
everlast
I think so.
joe rogan
And they just buried them?
everlast
Yeah, you know, the church put them all in the catacombs.
joe rogan
Do you know at one time Paris had a wolf problem and people were getting killed by wolves?
everlast
In recent history?
joe rogan
1400s.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Wow, look at those pictures, all those skulls.
Yeah, there's a crazy story about the wolves.
everlast
I have been to a place that, whenever I see pictures of this, it reminds me, there's a place in, I want to say, what country is Prague?
The Czech Republic?
I think it's called Kutna Hora.
K-U-T-N-A-H-O-R-A. It's like a church that's built of, like, Thousands of people's skeletons, man.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, there it is, dude.
everlast
That place is bananas, man.
joe rogan
Did you go to that, too?
everlast
Oh, no, I've been there.
I haven't been to the catacombs.
I'm saying whenever I see pictures of the catacombs, but this place, it's like an entire church decorated, and then they have little dens of places, like altars.
It's like thousands and thousands.
Those are like vertebrae.
Those are spines.
Oh, no.
There's another one where it's like all spines.
joe rogan
Skull chandeliers.
Whoa!
everlast
It's crazy.
joe rogan
That is bananas.
unidentified
It's nutty.
everlast
Kuntna Ora.
And it's, you know, you can just go there and I think you pay like a couple of whatever euros and you can walk in there.
I got tons of flicks in there.
joe rogan
It's weird when you go to those places and you realize these places are fat.
Like, I was in Italy and there was a church that I went to and there was this glass floor.
The church was over a thousand years old.
And there's a glass floor that you walk on.
Below the glass floor is the old church that the thousand-year-old church was built on.
They have no idea how old the old church is.
everlast
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
everlast
Which church was it?
joe rogan
It's in Ravello.
It's at the top of, like, there's a bunch of cute little shops and little hotels and shit out there.
everlast
Just want to make sure I check it out.
joe rogan
And there's a small church there.
Yeah, it's...
The church that you could visit is more than a thousand years old.
I put a picture on my Instagram of this crazy picture of what they thought a whale looked like.
It was a story of, you know, who was the dude who got eaten by the whale in the Bible?
everlast
Jonah.
joe rogan
Jonah.
Jonah and the whale.
And it's like in a mosaic on the wall.
But it's like what they thought a whale was.
It's like...
You know, before they had photos, some dude would, like, draw you a picture of some shit he saw.
Like, this is what a whale looks like, my friend.
And then, you know, some other dude who never saw a whale would make a mosaic of this shit and put it on the wall.
It's just so weird.
We went to the place that got fucked up by the volcano, too.
everlast
Pompeii.
joe rogan
Pompeii, yeah.
everlast
I've been to Pompeii.
joe rogan
That was fascinating, too.
everlast
It's crazy.
See people just instantly...
joe rogan
20 feet of ash, just covered in ash.
unidentified
Just...
everlast
Can't even imagine.
joe rogan
Yeah.
everlast
Just one minute, nothing, and then next minute, a little earthquake.
joe rogan
And while you're there, you can see the volcano.
It's right there.
everlast
Still active, yeah?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I mean, I don't think it's had a real issue in a long time.
See if you find that Instagram picture of Jonah and the whale.
everlast
That's scary shit, man.
joe rogan
It's from July.
everlast
Volcanoes, man.
Hawaii.
Everything going on there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
everlast
That's nutty, man.
unidentified
Just...
joe rogan
Scary.
everlast
Getting...
I read a story of, like, somebody didn't touch the lava.
They just got within, like, a couple inches of it and, like...
joe rogan
Burnt themselves?
everlast
Like, melted their skin, like, off.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
everlast
Yeah.
Not even getting, like, actually hit by it.
You get hit by it, your shit's dissolving.
joe rogan
Oh, you can cook on it.
You can slap a steak on that bitch.
everlast
It would dissolve.
joe rogan
No, it wouldn't.
It wouldn't.
It's not the best conductor of heat.
You know, you slap a steak on that, sear it, flip it.
everlast
They take one second.
joe rogan
There was some crazy chef did this where they took molten iron and they poured it down this chute.
And as it was going down the chute, they slapped steaks on it.
It was like they were cooking on this hot molten iron.
everlast
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
People get bored.
everlast
I wonder if it tasted anything.
joe rogan
Probably tastes like shit.
Probably ruined a good steak.
everlast
Probably tastes like molten fucking whatever the fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, like molten dirt.
Did you see the video of the lava consuming that Mustang?
Did you see that video?
unidentified
Yes!
everlast
It just dissolved.
joe rogan
If you got payments and you just fucking, damn man, this car is killing me.
These payments are killing me.
unidentified
Just park that bitch while that lava is coming.
everlast
In Hawaii.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Watch it get melted.
Set up a camera.
everlast
Can't imagine there's a lot of Mustangs over there either.
joe rogan
That probably is.
A lot of American cars over there.
They buy a lot of Toyotas because they don't break.
everlast
Oh, and they're small.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But it's also like you don't...
You know, everything has to get flown over there, so you don't want anything to break.
everlast
Super expensive, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, everything.
Food, housing.
everlast
Stuff is more expensive there than, like, the only other place that was comparable to me was Perth.
joe rogan
Really?
everlast
Well, because everything's the same difference.
It's the furthest, like, city, like, isolated by itself.
joe rogan
In Australia?
unidentified
Yeah.
everlast
I think maybe in the world.
unidentified
Really?
everlast
Like, away from any other major city.
joe rogan
That makes sense, right?
Because Australia is as big as the United States.
everlast
Yeah, and it's really the only major city on the West Coast that you hit.
Yeah.
joe rogan
How big is it?
How big is Perth?
everlast
It's like, I don't know how many people, but it's like a city, you know.
joe rogan
Do you perform there a lot?
everlast
Not a lot.
It's been probably almost 10 years since I've been in Australia.
joe rogan
I love Australia, but I do not love that fucking flight, baby.
everlast
It's tough.
joe rogan
Woo, that's a rough flight.
everlast
It takes a minute to get over that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, you land and you're like...
everlast
Where am I? For a couple days.
joe rogan
There it is.
That's what they thought a whale looked like.
Like, what the fuck is that, man?
It's like a fish with a lion head.
Like, look, that's what they thought Jonah and the whale looked like.
everlast
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
A thousand years ago.
Strange, right?
everlast
Like, dude was trying to make a run for it, obviously.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at him.
unidentified
Look at him.
joe rogan
He's like, I'm going to get the fuck away from this.
That dude kind of looks like me.
That's a little disturbing.
He's like, let me get out of here.
Bald-headed dude with a beard, trying to get away from this lion fish with wings thing.
But that's what they thought a whale was.
everlast
Craziness.
joe rogan
Just imagine what it was like living a thousand years ago when there was...
No pictures.
everlast
Oh, is that the glass floor?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's my feet right there.
So you're in this church, the church is a thousand years old, and that, go back to that last one, Jamie?
That one, that's the glass floor, and then you look down, and they have this entirely different church underneath it that's way older.
They don't know how old it is, been there forever, could be several thousand years old.
The church is gorgeous though.
There's a lot of those churches, and you've been to the Vatican, right?
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the mindfuck of all mindfucks.
everlast
Yeah, that's crazy.
joe rogan
Like St. Peter's Basilica, and you're walking around that place, and you're just like, what?
How?
How did people do this?
everlast
It's retarded, man.
joe rogan
It's unbelievable.
everlast
The whole Vatican.
joe rogan
No power saws.
everlast
Nothing.
joe rogan
No fucking cranes.
Everything was like ladders and shit.
everlast
And the paintings and the art are just insane.
joe rogan
Stunning.
Stunning.
Billions of dollars worth of art.
And the whole area, the whole Vatican is essentially its own country.
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they can keep those kid fuckers over there.
And they never have to export them.
everlast
Yeah.
unidentified
That's...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the darkest of the dark.
everlast
No argument here.
joe rogan
Nobody can, man.
They'll try.
People get mad.
And look, I get it.
I was a Catholic for a little bit.
That's a dark, dark institution.
There is no denying it.
I mean, they've just busted another group of priests in Pennsylvania.
Molested more than a thousand kids.
Moving them around.
Not charging them.
everlast
Organized religion in general is the biggest mind control that's ever existed.
You know, trying to control populations.
What's the best way?
Make you believe a certain thing.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
But there's better ones.
There's some that you go...
everlast
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
For sure.
What have the Baptists have done?
What have they done that's so terrible?
There's no Baptist scandals like that, large-scale scandals.
Even the Mormons, they've had a few dudes who wanted more than one bride.
They got greedy.
everlast
More than a few.
There's a whole part of their thing that that's how they still live.
joe rogan
And there's some sects that branched off and got real freaky.
everlast
On the scale that the Catholic Church has done things, it's unprecedented.
joe rogan
Unprecedented.
everlast
Completely.
joe rogan
Yeah, because they actively shield these people from prosecution.
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they keep it all in-house.
everlast
I mean, aren't people actually getting, like, I've heard some things like they're going after, like, cardinals and shit, like, criminally.
joe rogan
Well, that is why the Pope had to step down.
The last Pope had to step down because they wanted to prosecute him for crimes against humanity.
everlast
Oh yeah, because he was one of the dudes who orchestrated a lot of that stuff.
The guy right before the...
joe rogan
He moved a guy who went on to molest a hundred deaf children.
everlast
Yeah, I remember reading stuff about that.
joe rogan
It's dark, man.
And it's one of those things where people, you know, it's been a part of their family.
It's been a part of their family's family.
It's been a part of their history.
They go to church.
They pay their respects.
Everything's okay.
They don't want to hear it.
People don't want to hear it.
But it's over.
The evidence is just so overwhelming.
There's so much awful shit that's attached to that church.
everlast
I mean, who's denying it is the point?
I mean, I think, you know, I just think, again, people, like you're saying, you get, I was raised Catholic.
I just, by the time I was like, they did this thing called confirmation, which is sort of like a similar thing to the time that you're becoming a man, you're making your own choices.
An adult, because it wasn't just men, but...
By the time I did that and realized, okay, there's a little too much magic going on for me.
I like factual, knowledgeable things.
If these people really existed, what were they really like?
I'm not buying into the fact that anybody on this earth didn't take a shit like I took a shit.
We all take the same shits.
joe rogan
It'd be nice if someone came up with a good religion, a real solid Lockdown one.
everlast
I mean, there is one.
I mean, we all just would have to agree on it.
How about just the golden rule?
You know what I mean?
That could basically be a religion in itself.
The church of universal law.
You know, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
And you could hold corporations to that.
You could be like all right.
We start what's what's more powerful than 10 million people on a Facebook page that are Watching these corporations in the minute they say hey You're not giving back to the community or taking care of the people that are taking care of you That's easily done, but it takes work.
joe rogan
It's a good point.
everlast
It's easily done if everybody in the world just really treated the next person like they wanted to be treated themselves I There you go.
joe rogan
And did it as a law, right?
And then we held people accountable to that.
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
You are not responding to the universal law, the universal golden rule.
everlast
You know, it sounds super simple, but I mean, it took a lot of work, but the principle is simple.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And all the other stuff, like all other forms of commerce and everything else would still fall under that.
Just like you could do whatever you want as long as you're treating people kindly.
everlast
Exactly.
joe rogan
Like ideally commerce and capitalism, all that stuff should be real simple.
Like you have a great CD. You want to sell it.
You want 20 bucks for it.
Somebody gives you 20 bucks.
They're happy.
You're happy.
That should be commerce, right?
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
It should be you sell something, people buy it, everybody's good.
But then you Greedy.
You know, like, if we can figure out a way to corner this market and keep other people from selling this or selling that, or we've got to stop people from growing this, because if they grow this and sell that, then we...
everlast
No, you're not doing what's best for...
unidentified
Yes.
everlast
You're not doing what you would want them to do to you.
joe rogan
Exactly.
everlast
So you're breaking the law.
joe rogan
Violation of the golden rule.
everlast
If, you know...
I've thought about it, obviously, before.
Like, hey, man, what would be...
And I'm like, yeah, that'd be a really cool thing to do.
joe rogan
That would be the way.
everlast
Somebody with enough charisma could pull it off and get people to get behind it.
That's really all it would take, is people getting behind it.
joe rogan
Yeah, but the problem is there's so many people that just...
We're seeing this with politics, right?
Like, I'm fascinated by these Kavanaugh hearings.
Like, I watch little clips of it before I just have to tune out and get the fuck away from it.
everlast
Talk about fuckery.
joe rogan
Talk about fuckery.
I mean, I don't know what that dude did or what he didn't do, but I think what's happening is more than that.
What's happening is, first of all, he was a big part of the Patriot Act.
He's involved in some issues that a lot of people are very concerned with in terms of his position and his stance on privacy and on rights.
Absolutely.
There's more to it than just, did you fuck with someone in high school?
Did you sexually assault someone?
Did you do that when you were 18?
Do you remember?
There's more to it than that.
They don't want that guy in there.
And then you're seeing all the people that want to pretend that he's the best guy ever and all the people...
everlast
It's craziness, man.
joe rogan
It's fascinating.
It's really fascinating.
It's fascinating to watch because it's essentially like a...
a less like the the Clarence Thomas hearings from was it like the 1980s I believe the Clarence Thomas I feel like that was late 80s early 90s yeah somewhere around there Clarence Thomas that was like with Anita Hill where he had sexually harassed her they were working together and she came on the whatever coke or something do you know that he's now the longest-running member of the Supreme Court He's now been in the Supreme Court longer, I think.
I read that.
Check to make sure that's true.
everlast
Isn't Ruth Bader Ginsburg, how did she be on there longer?
jamie vernon
Longest serving, 26 years as of October 4th.
joe rogan
He will be.
He will be, yeah.
everlast
Crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
Yeah, so it didn't work.
Neat as hell's out there living with the memory of pubic errors on Coke.
everlast
I had a movie now, an HBO movie not too long ago.
joe rogan
Oh yeah!
Did you watch it?
everlast
I saw it.
joe rogan
Was it okay?
everlast
It was a pretty good movie.
We lived through it, so it's like whenever I see movies about the OJ trial or something, I'm like, we saw it live for like 700 days.
joe rogan
I'm always fascinated by those movies because of creative license.
Like if you do a movie on Richard Nixon, right?
Are you sure he said that?
Or even crazier, you do a movie on Lincoln.
Bitch, you don't know what the fuck he said.
everlast
You can't possibly, unless he wrote it down.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're having him say a bunch of shit day to day, talking to his wife and kids.
You don't know what the fuck he said.
everlast
That's pretty funny.
joe rogan
You're just making this up.
This is weird that we're allowed to do that.
You're allowed to just put some words in George Washington's mouth.
Like, you don't know what the fuck George Washington said.
You know?
jamie vernon
Have you seen this movie coming out?
joe rogan
Yes.
jamie vernon
Christian Bale's Dick Cheney.
joe rogan
Dude, it looks amazing.
jamie vernon
Steve Carell's Donald Rumsfeld.
joe rogan
Christian Bale is a fucking bad motherfucker.
His acting as Dick Cheney is off the charts.
I mean, he does the voice.
He got fat for it.
Everything.
That's him.
everlast
Whoa.
joe rogan
Dude.
There's the video of, first of all, him and Sam Rockwell as George Bush.
He's amazing, too.
Sam Rockwell is one of the most underappreciated actors.
everlast
What's the name of this movie?
jamie vernon
Vice.
joe rogan
Vice.
It's amazing, dude.
Sam Rockwell nails it as George Bush.
Here, play the trailer.
Will they pull us?
jamie vernon
It's too new.
joe rogan
You gotta pull us, but I'll let you guys see it.
Son of a bitch.
jamie vernon
Let me turn it up.
joe rogan
Folks who are listening to this on YouTube, we can't play this for you, but...
I mean...
everlast
That's weird.
They wouldn't want you to, like, play their trailer.
joe rogan
Well, they want everybody to go to their trailer.
everlast
True.
Oh, yeah, it streams.
That shit makes...
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're right.
joe rogan
It's just so good.
He just does an amazing job of the voice, the mannerisms, and so does Sam Rockwell.
everlast
Yeah, well, they're both incredible actors.
Sam Rockwell's a badass.
joe rogan
Did you ever see Sam Rockwell in that movie, The Moon?
Is it The Moon or Moon?
everlast
I'm not sure.
joe rogan
It's a movie where he is the only person in the movie.
The entire movie is him.
I don't want to spoiler alert it, but it has to do with cloning.
And it's him on the moon, like him or him in space.
It's fucking amazing.
It's an amazing movie.
everlast
And it's just him.
I love where he was Chuck Beres.
Yes!
That was an amazing movie, man.
joe rogan
Dude, he's a beast.
This guy is a fucking incredible actor, and he just doesn't get enough credit.
I think he might be married to her now, or maybe they're still dating, but he was dating Leslie Bibb when I did a movie with her.
I got a chance to meet him, and I was a little bit starstruck.
I'm a big, giant fan of that guy.
But he's one of those guys that I feel like I want to say, like, dude, you're fucking amazing.
Like, I don't know if anybody's telling you, because you're fucking amazing.
Because it's like, you know, you hear about the great actors.
You hear Daniel Day-Lewis.
You hear Gary Oldman.
You know, you hear Christian Bale.
You hear the great actors.
Faye Dunaway, Sigourney Weavner.
You don't hear about Sam Rockwell.
Why not, Jamie?
Why not, goddammit?
Maybe you will after this movie.
everlast
Maybe.
unidentified
I feel like he's never been nominated for anything.
joe rogan
Probably was.
Probably was for Moon.
jamie vernon
He was nominated for a few things.
The one that just came out last year, the Three Billboards.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
everlast
That's what I was thinking.
I just remember hearing about him.
He's just one of them dudes, too.
When you're that good of an actor, you blend into these movies so good, it's not Sam Walkwell.
You know what I mean?
That's almost a compliment to the dude.
Now, should he be more of the leading guy in doing those big roles?
Yeah, I agree.
He's an amazing actor.
But he's done some really big things, man.
He's one of them dudes that just blends too good.
You know who's another one like that?
Viggo Mortensen.
Yes!
Everything he's in, you just lose it.
He's in it.
He's that guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
everlast
The one where he was the Eastern Promises.
joe rogan
Yes.
everlast
That was a good one.
joe rogan
The Russian Mob movie?
everlast
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yes.
everlast
And then what?
The Year of Violence that he did?
That was a good one, too.
joe rogan
That was a good one.
everlast
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
The Road freaked me out.
I had turned it off when he was teaching his son how to shoot himself in the mouth.
It feels like, done.
We're good.
I don't need to watch this.
everlast
I'll watch The Flintstones.
That book is fucking crazy.
joe rogan
That's what I heard.
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
I heard the book's too crazy.
everlast
Dark, man.
It's one of those things, it's like...
It's a taste that stays with you a little too long.
You want it to go away.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a few of those movies that are just so depressing.
When you leave, you're like, what did I do?
Like, I don't want to be depressed.
I know that it was good.
I know you nailed it.
I know you dragged my emotions through the mud.
everlast
I played myself once on tour.
It was like back when the Tower Records and those things were still around.
Like on Tuesdays, the movies and the records would all come out.
So we were on tour.
We would stop and buy a bunch of shit for the bus, buy records.
I bought a bunch of movies and I threw on Magnolia had just come out.
I watched that and I was like, oh wow, that was fucking fucked up.
And then without looking, I just grabbed the next movie and put it in, and it was Titus Andronicus.
And I don't know if you're hip to this.
It's like one of the darkest fucking Shakespeare fucking plays ever about this.
I mean, if you ain't seen it, when you got the wherewithal to sit through some real fucking darkness, Anthony Hopkins is fucking insane in this movie as Titus Andronicus.
It's fucking dark.
So I watched these two movies back to back, and for two weeks, Joe, I can't shake the, like, just...
Depressing, like, oh my god, there's no happy endings anywhere.
From then on, I'll only watch comedies and fucking Pixar movies and old Warner Brothers cartoons out there on the road, man.
joe rogan
Is he eating dinner while people are hanging in front of him?
everlast
Do you want to know?
You're never going to watch this, right?
He's about to cut them up and make dinner out of them and serve them to their families.
It's dark, man.
joe rogan
It's dark.
everlast
It's really dark.
It is the darkest Shakespeare-like thing I've ever read or seen.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
That's enough.
everlast
And that was right after Magnolia.
I watched that.
joe rogan
Man, a double whammy.
everlast
Double whammy, dude.
Oh, it was horrible.
joe rogan
Remember that movie, 21 Grams?
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
That movie swore me off at depressing movies.
After that movie was over, I left the theater.
I'm like, why did I do that to myself?
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was in such a good mood.
everlast
Yeah, who wants to leave a place with that feeling?
Doesn't life give you that enough?
joe rogan
I was all happy.
I was all happy, feeling good.
I walked into that movie and I left going, what in the actual fuck?
What am I doing here?
everlast
As DJ Khaled would say, you played yourself.
joe rogan
Played myself, yeah.
Other people said it before him, but he's like known for it.
It's funny how that happens, right?
Where a dude just says something just right.
And then everybody just connects it to him.
everlast
He had a string of them.
He had a bunch of his little, you know, men of meeting, you know, he's got the New Deal alerts.
He's a bastion of these little sayings that just people catch on to.
joe rogan
He's got a lot of good things going for him.
He's unthreatening looking because he's kind of a big chubby guy.
People like him because of that.
You know, there's a lot of good things going.
Positive energy.
everlast
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
A lot of energy.
Likes shiny flashy shit that a lot of other people like.
Yeah.
everlast
And he can afford it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
everlast
That's nice.
joe rogan
Hashtag ballin'.
everlast
Yeah.
Gotta do it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess so.
everlast
He's part of that lifestyle.
joe rogan
That's a crazy lifestyle.
Kanye's a part of that lifestyle too, right?
But in a weird way.
He's a weird part of that lifestyle.
everlast
He's never been on that jewelry scene.
joe rogan
But he's big on design and Ferraris and Lamborghinis and beautiful houses and shit like that.
everlast
I'm not that aware of what he...
Yeah, design.
I know just from what I know of him that he longs to be Ralph Lauren.
That's really his...
Probably if you said who is your biggest influencer, who would you want to be?
Ralph Lauren.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's kind of hilarious.
But he just loves design, right?
Loves clothes.
everlast
I guess.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, why not?
Somebody's gotta.
everlast
I mean, he, you know, a lot of that stuff he was doing was looking like homeless people's clothing, you know, too.
It was like derelict right out of fucking Soolander.
joe rogan
Did you see that one picture that Jamie showed me?
He was walking around with slides, Yeezy slides on, but they were like four sizes too small.
It didn't make any sense.
His heels hanging off the back of them.
everlast
That's the way he designed them.
joe rogan
Exactly.
That's like he's probably trying to push a new thing.
everlast
Yeah, he's like, here.
joe rogan
Tiny Yeezy slides.
everlast
Too small for your feet.
joe rogan
Two small Yeezy slides.
everlast
There you go.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the new look.
Like, you know, if you're crazy, you might think things like that.
everlast
It's crazy to me because there's an era of his career that I look at and I'm like, wow, man, there's a lot of genius shit he was doing musically.
A lot of records he was doing.
And then I don't know what it is, but to me now, And I don't say this really in a judgmental way, but he's a professional troll now.
Just like that's the most successful people in the entertainment business now, if you're not an amazing actor or a super amazing, you know, whatever, is like just keeping people trolling.
I remember he literally dropped a song like at some point like eight months ago where that was like poopity scoop.
unidentified
Scoopity poopity boop.
everlast
And that was the song.
It lasted that long.
joe rogan
Yeah, Jamie came and played for me where he told me the lyrics and I told him to shut the fuck up.
everlast
No, but it's like, it's again, it's the spectacle.
joe rogan
Get that away from me, Jamie.
You stop putting this evil in my head.
everlast
It's the spectacle.
Like, I mean, I made this album here.
That's music.
You know what I mean?
This is music.
A lot of people don't give a fuck anymore.
joe rogan
Well, you're not that guy.
You've never been a, I need publicity guy.
unidentified
Never.
everlast
Here's what it is.
Here's what that is.
It's like people like to fucking speculate about what I do or my career.
You know what I mean?
I've written a few songs in this life that I could go somewhere and sit down and just sit on a fucking stump and eat food for the rest of my life and never worry.
I could feed my family and all that off of a few songs.
I make music because I love making music.
Of course, you want people to listen.
You want more people to listen.
I'm not saying I don't want fame or all that.
One of the first things, the first time I ever came on your podcast was I like going to Ralph's And sitting at the olive bar and fucking getting my olives while my song's playing on the radio and the guy standing right next to me has no fucking idea.
I don't mind that at all.
That doesn't bother me.
I love it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're not a need attention kind of a guy and some people are and that's sort of part of their business like this whole Kanye Donald Trump thing I just I wonder if that's trolling but I also wonder if what we were talking about earlier about car accidents and brain damage I wonder if that's a little bit of everything but also the reason I Say it's trolling is because there's Likes and stuff, when you get to Kardashian, Kanye West levels of...
everlast
And I'm sure you know this.
You have four fucking million Instagram followers.
joe rogan
I didn't start Instagram until you told me to.
everlast
I know that.
unidentified
But what I'm saying is like...
everlast
You could monetize that shit really easily, those four million people.
You're not selling that shit out.
These people, they are definitely monetizing that shit.
Fucking when Kim Kardashian gets on there, she doesn't give you a commercial, but she'll tell you, oh, I'm just using this new cream on my shit.
You know what I mean?
Somebody paid her $150.
Fucking 50 grand for that post.
So the more eyes, the better.
That's really what they're monetizing.
If I had 10 million people on my Instagram, I could sell fucking posts.
joe rogan
The real problem with that is people don't believe them.
everlast
But their eyes are still on it.
joe rogan
If I say I like something, it's because I like it.
People accuse me of having ads.
I've never had a single ad on my Instagram.
If I tell people about a product and people are like, what are you doing?
Are you getting paid for this?
Like, nope.
Nope.
I just like it.
everlast
Yeah.
Sharing something I thought you might think is cool.
joe rogan
This is a cool product.
everlast
I've done it a few times, but I usually say, hey, I'm not getting fucking paid.
I have to now.
joe rogan
I do now.
I say this is not an ad.
everlast
I like this.
You know what I mean?
Plus, I ain't got enough Instagram followers to get paid.
joe rogan
I bet you do.
everlast
I got like 70,000 or something.
joe rogan
That's all you need.
Jamie was saying you need 70,000.
That's the exact number.
everlast
First of all, you know I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
I know you don't give a fuck, but if you did, if you were a chick with a fake butt, you might be able to get a little chata.
unidentified
I might have 4 million followers if I was a chick with a fake butt.
A little chata.
joe rogan
Yeah, you might, right?
You might have 20. Look at this.
Kim Kardashian's got 118 million followers.
everlast
It's just, wow.
joe rogan
Good googly moogly.
everlast
Okay, and let's say, what do they say?
If you're actually good at social media, maybe 10% of your audience engages you.
So that's still 10 million people that will engage with her.
joe rogan
That's a lot of fuck people, son.
everlast
I believe, I threw that number out there, just kind of.
jamie vernon
That sounds about right.
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of goddamn people.
unidentified
Woo!
jamie vernon
Crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a weird business, man.
everlast
That's famous now.
Like when we were young, famous was, you know, if you're on TV or the radio, you know, or, you know, if you did something in life, wrote a book, wrote a play or a movie, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
Invented the plane.
And that's what got you famous.
Now you just got to keep eyes on you doing fucked up shit.
joe rogan
I was thinking about that today while I was watching Gladiator.
Because when I was watching that movie, I was thinking, in the Roman times, there was no accountability.
Like, for emperors, you could do all kinds of fucked up shit, and no one could do anything about it.
Either they killed you eventually, or you got away with it for a long period of time.
But today, you know, like...
There's so much accountability.
People find out what awful things you've done.
They find out you've stolen money or had people killed or took over this or dominated that.
To be a...
To be a dictator like a Kim Jong-un, someone along those lines, today you have to keep those people locked up.
And he's barely keeping that together.
They barely have an internet.
everlast
It amazes me how they can.
There's not a whole scene there of people with the internet sneaking it in.
joe rogan
You know what they did?
Everybody rats and everybody else there.
They have a whole system of ratting on people.
They have a culture of rats.
everlast
And they believe their leader is a god or something of that nature.
joe rogan
They just don't want to die, man.
They're scared and they're hungry and they don't have any power and they don't have any energy because they're eating just rice and fucking starving to death.
everlast
I can't even imagine it.
joe rogan
When they catch those dudes that sneak across the border, you know, that make a run for it, when they get them and bring them to hospitals and patch them up and shit, they find all these crazy parasites in them, massive malnutrition.
And these are soldiers, like North Korean soldiers.
They're just all fucked up.
But that's a window into time.
Like, if you went back into the Roman days, that's how everybody was rocking it.
They were all dominating their people and using iron fist and keep these generals well fed and keep the army well fed and use it to dominate the civilians and...
I mean, I know Gladiator is just a movie.
It's just fake and, you know, fun.
But still, you gotta wonder.
How close was that to life back then?
everlast
And how bad did it smell?
Oh!
joe rogan
Tubes of shit running down the street.
everlast
There used to be a show on HBO called Rome.
And they had this one scene, I remember it, where they were all in a public toilet.
joe rogan
A shittery?
everlast
Shittery.
Sure, shittery.
And they handed them like...
What at the time was, I guess, the toilet paper, which was like...
You know, calfskin rags or something.
unidentified
And they fucking like wipe their ass and they walk out and throw it in a pile.
everlast
It's like, how could that have smelled?
If that's accurate.
If that's accurate.
You know what I mean?
Well, that looks pretty accurate.
joe rogan
Yeah, there it is.
Roman public toilets.
And they would go into like a tube and that tube would go right down the street.
Yeah.
everlast
Imagine how the whole city smelled, man.
joe rogan
Like shit.
Well, that's one of the reasons why all those people got sick.
Like when a disease would spread through the city, I mean, there was no sanitation.
It was terrible.
They didn't have like flushable things, right?
Nothing flushed.
jamie vernon
I mean, they had developed aqueducts, so they just had a system of flowing water, but it wasn't pressurized or anything, so it just had to pick it up.
joe rogan
One of the things that was cool about Pompeii was they had a sauna.
They had figured out how to boil water, and then they had the water would go through the floor and the walls.
They had like double-spaced walls, so they had one outside wall and an inside wall, and the heat would go through.
And it would go like through, and so you could go into this sauna, just like a regular sauna here, and it'd be hot as fuck in there.
Yeah, there was Pompey Sauna.
That's it.
Like, they figured out how to make things pretty cool for what they had.
But fuck living back there.
But meanwhile, tell me people aren't going to think like that a thousand years from now about us.
Those dummies shitting into a ceramic bowl and then hitting the water to flush it away.
Idiots.
everlast
I can't imagine what it's going to be like.
joe rogan
Dude, we installed these toilets here that shoot hot water up your butt.
You know those?
everlast
Up or just cleaning it?
joe rogan
It can go right in the hole.
everlast
Wow.
joe rogan
It shoots right in that hole.
You got to be careful.
It feels like you have to take a shit because it gets up in there and you're like, oh, I have to shit again.
But no, it's just the water's literally getting through the door.
But it cleans your butthole so nice.
And after you have one of those, you're like, why would I ever use a regular toilet?
everlast
Jamie says he holds his shit.
I remember the first time I experienced one of those was like in the 90s in Japan.
joe rogan
Yes, Japan.
Yeah, that's why I experienced it too.
Yeah, but for me it was just a few years ago.
But Jamie says he holds his shit.
Is that correct?
jamie vernon
Well preferred versus my home toilet.
joe rogan
Yeah, like why shit at home?
If you kind of have to ship, be like, I could keep this one at bay for a little bit.
everlast
Honestly, in Europe, a bidet is a normal thing in a hotel room.
It's not here as much.
joe rogan
It's not as good, though.
I have a bidet in my house.
I never used it once.
It's a magazine rack.
I throw magazines there.
Wash your hands.
Yeah, it's just weird.
It's weird.
It just doesn't work as good.
everlast
And I think it's more for women.
joe rogan
It's a cooter cleanser.
everlast
Yeah, kind of.
But here's something funny.
I just did this tour of Europe, and we started noticing, and I'm not going to name countries, because I have fans and all of them.
I don't want anyone to get upset.
But we noticed there's a different...
Of some countries, you get washcloths in your bathroom, and some countries you don't.
And me and my band came to the conclusion that from now on, whenever we come to these countries where you don't get the washcloths in your hotel room, we're not going to shake hands with people anymore.
Because why don't you have washcloths in the bathroom?
I don't get it.
joe rogan
Yeah, what are you washing your hands with, bro?
everlast
You can wash your hands like this.
What are you washing your arse with, man?
Shoving your hand crack up there?
joe rogan
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
everlast
I don't mind if you wash your face with your hands or your hands with your hands, but I can't find a washcloth in your city.
It's a little strange.
joe rogan
Dude, I went to Thailand this summer.
They have garden hoses attached to the toilet.
They don't fuck around with all that hot, spicy food.
They know it's going to come out messy, so they give you a goddamn garden hose to clean your asshole with.
Where is this?
Thailand!
everlast
In Thailand?
joe rogan
Everywhere.
Even the airport.
Went to the toilet at the airport.
Right next to the shitbox was this goddamn garden hose.
I mean like one you would wash the car with.
Like the pistol grip one.
Yeah.
And just, woo!
Just get that fucker back there and woo-woo!
There it is, right there.
Garden hose.
jamie vernon
Bum gun.
joe rogan
Bum gun, they call it.
everlast
Bum gun, wow.
joe rogan
Toilet hose in Thailand.
Keep yourself clean with a squirt of water.
Yeah, a squirt.
That shit could move a boat across a dock.
jamie vernon
First things first.
joe rogan
Yeah.
everlast
Wow, the direction our conversation's taken today.
joe rogan
Yeah, test the water pressure before you use it.
The British called the toilet hose the bum gun for a good reason.
The nozzle at the end of the hose is shaped a bit like a gun with a trigger that you press to release the water.
Yeah.
everlast
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't fuck around in Thailand.
everlast
I haven't been to Thailand, obviously.
joe rogan
It's beautiful there.
People are so nice.
It's one of the friendliest places I've ever been in my life, like universally friendly.
And everybody looks at you and they all do this.
They make their hands like a lotus flower.
That's what they do.
They don't shake hands a lot.
They just touch their hands together and give you like a little bow.
everlast
Is there washcloths?
joe rogan
Their hands are tired from holding onto that hose, squeezing that bum gun.
everlast
Something.
joe rogan
But the food there is fucking amazing.
If you like Thai food, man, you learn from the way they cook it in the motherland with all those fresh ingredients.
I do love Thai food.
I love Thai food.
Are you a spicy guy?
Do you like spicy?
everlast
Sands being in Thailand, this spot, I was in a place in Melbourne, Australia, we spoke about earlier, the hottest Thai food I ever had in my life.
Like, so hot you're sweating and you can't stop eating it because the minute you stop eating it, you're gonna catch fire.
joe rogan
Have you ever been to Exotic Thai over on Ventura in Woodland Hills?
everlast
I feel like I have.
joe rogan
Super legit.
everlast
Exotic Thai.
joe rogan
Bunch of Thai people running.
Super nice people.
Food is jamming.
everlast
There's a spot right here close, not far from our general area.
Jasmine Thai.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
everlast
Yeah, that's a good one too.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of good Thai restaurants in LA. What's that place on Sunset that's open real late?
everlast
Oh, right there next to Toy.
joe rogan
Toy.
Toy is great too, man.
That's a great late night spot.
Like legit Thai food.
donald cerrone
You get it at two o'clock in the morning.
joe rogan
You know, after you set at the comedy store.
everlast
The Thai iced teas are amazing.
joe rogan
That shit's terrible for your diabetes though.
That's like 180 grams of sugar.
But it's so delicious.
everlast
Once a year.
joe rogan
So delicious.
everlast
But honestly, I used to drink so much Coke.
That's another, when we talked about weight, that's the first thing I got rid of, man, was drinking Coca-Cola.
joe rogan
Weight falls off.
everlast
About 20 pounds of the 30. Isn't that crazy?
35 now.
joe rogan
Just falls off.
everlast
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You realize, like, what was I doing?
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was I doing to myself?
everlast
That and just a little bit of cardio, and I was like...
Every other day, I was like, whoa.
I just lost, like I said, 35 now because I dropped five pounds out on the road that I didn't even realize.
Not even weren't trying.
joe rogan
Wow.
Just continuing to be healthy.
everlast
And I think that food in Europe is a lot cleaner just in general.
joe rogan
Yep, yep.
Well, they don't have a lot of our...
First of all, their wheat is what you would call heirloom wheat.
They don't have a lot of the complex glutens in our wheat that make it a little bit more difficult to process.
This is all a real thing.
People think there's some sort of a...
People are exaggerating the effects of gluten and gluten intolerance.
The issue is that at one point in time, bread was different.
Wheat was different, but it was a lower yield.
So say if you had an acre and you were planting wheat on it, you would get way less wheat out of that acre than you would with the newer wheat.
And the newer wheat has just more complex glutens in it, and you get a higher yield, and so that's what they're looking for.
But when you eat it, it's just hard to digest.
When I was in Italy, man, everybody's skinny, okay?
They're all eating bread, they're all eating pasta, they're all eating pizza, they're all skinny.
At the most, these dudes who don't work out, at the most, get like a little paunch.
The most!
They're drinking wine every night, they got a little paunch.
everlast
They also walk a lot more than us.
They also ride bikes a lot more than us.
joe rogan
All those things.
everlast
Spent a lot of time in Holland this last trip and I couldn't find a fat person.
joe rogan
They're just biking everywhere.
everlast
They're just biking everywhere and they're eating cheese and bread all day.
Like literally every meal.
Cheese and bread with your meal?
Ugh.
joe rogan
But they must be pissed that weed's legal everywhere else because people used to go to Holland specifically to go to Amsterdam just to get hot.
everlast
Well, I have friends that own coffee shops over there and they're like, yeah, there's a lot of fuck.
Well, what's going on right now is there's, if I understood what he was telling me, right, Canada is investing shit tons of money with the government over there to like corporate, like start growing corporate weed and they're going to phase out the locals and take it over.
Like, they're going to phase out the coffee shop.
Weed isn't legal in Holland.
It's decriminalized.
If you own a weed shop, you can only have, let's say, 500 grams a time in the shop legally.
If you have a good shop, you're moving that in a fucking afternoon.
And bringing weed to your shop is illegal.
Like, it's a smuggling operation.
joe rogan
So it has to be in there, and once it's in there, it's okay.
everlast
Once it's in there, you can sell it, but getting it to your spot is the problem.
It's fucking illegal to move that much weed.
It's fucked up.
Like, these guys, I know a couple guys that own a couple coffee shops, and they're just like, it's fuckery, man.
It's like a constant, it's like half a criminal operation they're running.
joe rogan
And it used to be that you'd get mushrooms.
unidentified
Yeah.
everlast
You used to be able to get mushrooms.
You used to be able to get like a bunch of shit.
joe rogan
And now you can't get mushrooms anymore.
everlast
Not like hard like narcotics like coke or anything like that, but anything natural like mushrooms.
You could get acid when I was first in there, but I don't know if that was legal because I was really young.
I just...
joe rogan
Well, Holland's just a wild-ass place.
I mean, that is the spot where, like, some of the best kickboxing ever came from.
It's weird.
One little spot in Europe, and they created Ramon Deckers, Rob Kamen, Ernesto Hoost, like, some of the greatest kickboxers of all time out of this one spot.
everlast
There's gyms everywhere.
unidentified
Everywhere.
everlast
Everywhere you go, you see them with, like, a gym.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
I mean, it's just amazing that this one place became a hotbed for elite high-level kickboxing.
everlast
Real source of their pride, too, like Dutch sports pride.
Football and kickboxing are probably the top two things.
joe rogan
I mean, they literally have created some of the all-time greatest kickboxers.
And it's not a big country.
And some of the greatest kickboxing coaches, as well.
It's amazing.
Really unusual.
Really unusual that that happened there.
And it's hard to describe why.
Like, no one really...
everlast
It'd be an interesting, like, documentary or something to figure out the roots of that.
Somebody went to Thailand.
You know, somebody brought it back from Thailand and switched it up and put their own little spin on it.
joe rogan
Yeah, and a few guys went over to Thailand and fucked some ties up, too.
Because what they had done is they incorporated a lot of Western boxing.
Like Ramon Deckers, in particular, was one of the greats.
And what he did was, he was a small guy, like the same size as the ties, which was unusual.
Because a lot of the people from Amsterdam were big people.
It's one of those places where I think the average height For a person in Amsterdam, it's like six feet tall.
Yeah, so it's an unusually tall place.
everlast
Viking fucking shit going on.
joe rogan
Yeah, some fucking Viking DNA. I was watching that show for a while.
Vikings?
I got deep into that show.
everlast
That show was pretty dark.
joe rogan
But Mrs. Rogan got tired of seeing people get sorted up, slashed to pieces.
She got bored with it.
everlast
It was pretty dark.
joe rogan
People just getting fucked up with arrows and cut open.
It's the whole show.
They're always going to war.
But that's what they did.
everlast
They're Vikings.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they took a lot of mushrooms too.
everlast
Pillage, I believe, is a Viking way of life.
joe rogan
If you could go back in one time, if you had like a time machine, you go back and watch one time in history, what do you think you would go to see?
unidentified
Hmm.
That's a good question.
joe rogan
You'd go to see how people lived.
everlast
Well, being very smell sensitive, it wouldn't be that far back.
I'd probably want to go.
No, that's not true.
I'd probably like, you know, King Arthur era.
Yeah, I like that kind of thing.
I was heavy Dungeons and Dragons kid, you know what I mean?
Maybe go see if there's anything to any of that dragon shit, you know what I mean?
Or the Goldie Grail, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Any of that dragon shit.
Yeah.
I wonder what that was all based on.
Like, why are there so many dragons in folklore, in Chinese folklore, in European folklore?
There's so many unrelated dragons.
everlast
Well, I mean, you know, there's people that have, you know, I watch a lot of ancient aliens, so they'll always have an explanation.
My man with the hair.
joe rogan
Giorgio Tsoukalos.
Giorgio did the podcast a long time ago.
everlast
I love that guy, dude.
He's my favorite dude on that show, man.
joe rogan
He's a good dude.
I don't necessarily agree with everything they say.
everlast
Not everything, but there's merit to some of it, man.
joe rogan
That show is a show you watch with your boys at like 1 o'clock in the morning.
You get baked and everybody laughs.
everlast
You ever watch the Vice version where Action Bronson and all those guys are getting ripped and talking about the show?
unidentified
It's just complete fucking nonsense, but if you're high, it's fucking fun to watch.
joe rogan
He came on the podcast.
I've never seen a dude smoke more weed in my life.
He smoked by himself at least six blunts during the podcast.
everlast
That dude dabs so hard, man.
I don't think the weed really fucks with him anymore, man.
I can think it takes that much weed.
joe rogan
He just kept going.
And I got paranoid just watching him.
I'm like, oh.
I mean, I smoked a little bit with him, but I mean, I gotta keep this ship on the water.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
You gotta let me keep my hands on the wheel, sir.
Like, he just kept going.
We took a photo of the ashtray after it was over.
It was preposterous.
I was like, look at that.
That's one show.
everlast
He's a crazy guy, man.
joe rogan
Fun dude, though.
everlast
No, he's a good guy.
joe rogan
I love that Fuck That's Delicious, that show.
That's a great show.
everlast
With Al.
Alchemist is a good friend of mine.
I've known him since he was young, so they're good buddies.
I've met him.
I've hung out with him a few times.
He's a really fun guy, man.
joe rogan
It's a unique idea for a show because, you know, Action Bronson used to be a chef.
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, so seeing him, like, interact with food and chefs, like, he really knows about food.
He really understands food.
unidentified
Yeah.
everlast
I think he should have a cooking show.
He actually, you know, can whip up some fucking mean food.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
Now that Bourdain's gone, we need more of those kind of shows that explore food.
Bourdain's show changed the way I feel about food.
I used to think of food as just something that tastes really good.
I didn't think of it as an art form.
And then I watched his show, and the reverence that he had for chefs and for the creation of food made me realize, oh, this is an art form that I was ignorant of.
I didn't think of it the right way.
everlast
On all levels, not just like the high chef level.
He brings it to the home front where it's like even these local...
joe rogan
Look at him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's he cooking?
jamie vernon
Some sandwich or something.
joe rogan
Oh, he's making sandwiches.
jamie vernon
The world's best sandwich.
joe rogan
No, you're right, man.
Like on street food level.
He loves...
Tony loved street tacos and shit.
He would go everywhere and buy street food.
everlast
I mean, honestly...
When you're cooking, you feel like that, though.
Now I see you cooking all the time whenever you're posting that shit.
Never invite me over to have some of that beautiful elk.
joe rogan
I was gonna set it up here.
I was gonna set a thing up here, but they could never figure out how to get ventilation in here.
We have a grill back there that's never been used.
It's just sitting back there.
Look at him.
He's taking a steak.
It's gonna be nice and pink in the middle and gorgeous.
He's drinking wine.
I wonder why...
See, this is how stony his show is.
Like, they let him wear a shirt that you can't wear, so they had to blur out his shirt.
That's such a stony thing.
Like, hey, man, you can't wear that shirt.
Oh, yo, I got it on.
That's it.
This is what I'm wearing, so do what you gotta do.
everlast
Exactly.
joe rogan
So they gotta follow him around.
That blur thing drives me nuts.
Like, what is it?
What could it possibly be that's so...
everlast
But there's times when I see...
Beck, alright?
Beck, when he had that loser video, the first thing that comes up on the video is him in a mask that's blurred.
Right?
And I was like, what the fuck?
Why would you wear it?
It was purposely done.
Like, I think sometimes maybe it's like...
Yeah, it's like, what the fuck?
Like, what is the mask?
joe rogan
That's just Beck being a weirdo.
everlast
Yeah, but what is it?
It makes you go like, but what the fuck is it?
joe rogan
He's a fascinating guy, too.
You know, he's a devout Scientologist.
everlast
Yeah.
His dad is an amazing string arranger, like an orchestrator, and he did a couple of my albums when I had string arrangements and stuff.
joe rogan
Really?
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, he's a legit musician, like a really interesting musician.
everlast
Beck is next level.
joe rogan
You don't hear about him that often these days.
everlast
Again, I think it's the same kind of thing.
Dude, he's not playing the game.
He makes music.
joe rogan
He's just an artist.
everlast
When it's time to make music, it's time to make music.
In other words, for me, I'm sorry to argue, but it's like, okay, this is a product, this record, right?
But it's not a product to me.
It's like, this is eight years of my life.
You know what I mean?
I didn't make it because I was concerned about keeping my, otherwise, that's why the guys, the guys that got to put a record out every year, those are the guys I'm like, whoa, how do you fucking, that's all, that's, you know, that takes a lot to put a fucking record, especially if it's going to be good.
So anybody that can put out a record every year that's good, that's next level.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, Louis C.K. was doing that for a while at stand-up.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That is hard to do.
George Carlin did it every year.
George Carlin did a stand-up special every year.
And to us, to all stand-up comics, when we all get together and talk about that, everybody kind of agrees it's almost impossible.
He did it, but very few people could do it.
And...
I mean, not to criticize Carlin, because Carlin did it and pulled it off, but most of us feel like that's not enough time.
Like, you need more time to let it cook.
You need more time to add and twist.
everlast
I've never had a record come out, like, I think the shortest period was like two years, two and a half years.
joe rogan
And that's you probably just constantly going at it.
everlast
Yeah, anytime I wasn't touring or something and we'd be locked in a room somewhere trying to make music.
joe rogan
Now when you record, when you like say if you're gonna lay down an album, do you have everything completely mapped out before you go into the studio or do you fuck around with it while you're in there?
everlast
Well, the process for this album in particular was wild.
Because, again, when Layla was born and the disease, we found out she was diagnosed with cystic fibrosis.
I actually was planning to not tour any of that anymore, but I was going to write songs.
I went to Nashville, started hanging out with a few songwriters out there and wrote some stuff.
One of the songs, It Ain't Easy, which I played years ago on your podcast, is on this album.
I wrote some songs with people, but the intention was they were going to be for other people.
So I recorded them in a very kind of plain Jane way, not my spin on what they would have been.
And after a few years, I just never really pursued...
It's too much of a sales pitch.
You have to go out and be that smooth of selling your songs, and it just never appealed to me.
And so after a few years...
I did an acoustic record, and then I started touring that for a while, just old songs, but recorded them acoustically.
Then after that was done, and I realized, all right, I need to keep working.
What am I going to do?
I went back and revisited some of these songs, but I realized I have to re-record them.
That's why I didn't see that they were my songs, because I recorded them in a way that I thought other people would want to use them.
So I went and re-recorded about, I don't know, five or six of the songs that were already here.
And then my buddy Evidence from Dilated Peoples got involved with me and we recorded a few of these rap tracks and it started kind of coming together.
And it kind of started coming together in a similar way that the original Whitey Ford Sings the Blues record did.
That's why I kind of also named it what it is.
There was a lot of similarities and I feel like I just pulled everything from every part of the toolbox that I've learned from since I started.
You know, whether it was the Ice-T years or the House of Pain years or the Whitey Ford years.
I just...
Drew on it all and trying to see, like I said, the eight years of life.
It's not like a literal representation of what's happened to me, but it's an emotional journey of like all the kind of feelings and shit that I'm like a lot of struggles and a lot of it's it's it's it's my best record, you know, but eight years right here.
So I've never been in a rush.
joe rogan
That's a big statement, that it's your best record.
everlast
It's my best record ever.
I'm confident in it.
joe rogan
Is it available everywhere?
Like iTunes, streaming, Amazon, all that stuff?
everlast
Yeah, stream the shit out of it.
I own my masters.
joe rogan
How does that work?
If you own your masters, do you get more when they stream?
everlast
Well, if you own your masters, you get paid outright.
Like, you know, you're the label.
I'm my own label.
The people that complain about not getting paid by streaming are people that are signed to record deals that are getting a small piece of what the master is getting.
If you own the master, you know...
joe rogan
So streaming is viable for someone who owns the master?
everlast
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's viable, period.
I mean, kids, I mean, that's the way it is.
It's just the future.
joe rogan
It's now.
everlast
But the people who say it doesn't pay, they're in shitty deals.
You know what I mean?
Because it pays, you know...
I would like it to pay a little better, but it pays.
It pays all right.
joe rogan
Who was it?
everlast
I think if you take a million streams, it equals out to around $8,000.
Oh, for you.
Just in general, that's the payment for what that is to a label.
joe rogan
To a label.
everlast
Yeah, yeah.
A million streams is about the equivalent of about eight grand.
That doesn't sound like a lot, but a million streams is like a thousand guys or people, fans of yours, that stream your shit, whatever, a hundred times or whatever.
It goes quicker than you think.
I think Drake streamed a billion streams his first week.
joe rogan
Right.
everlast
That's a nice chunk of change, man.
joe rogan
David Crosby was tweeting about how bad streaming deals are, but that is because he has a bad deal.
everlast
If he doesn't own his master, yeah.
If he's recording a deal for the record company, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
I think it's all his older songs.
everlast
Oh, that's, yeah.
Then he's probably got shit deals on that.
I mean, some of my older stuff, I don't get paid on what I feel like I should, but it's like the stuff since I've owned my masters, which is the last 15 years of my life, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's fascinating for me on the outside looking at what happens with labels and how they do things.
It's just, it's amazing their sort of survival instincts, how they figured out how to stay active.
everlast
Labels are signing podcasters now.
Because of streaming.
Streaming?
You should be getting checks from this, Joe.
joe rogan
I don't allow them to stream me.
everlast
Well, honestly, you could...
joe rogan
Pandora, Spotify, I say nope.
everlast
Well, you'd probably have to be exclusive to one of them is the deal, too.
joe rogan
Well, either way, what they are is just a portal.
everlast
It's not just streaming, though.
Your YouTube views are streaming.
That's streaming.
It doesn't have to be with a streaming service.
unidentified
Right.
everlast
I mean, but you should have a digital company that is representing you that's collecting all that if you don't...
joe rogan
Yeah, no, I do for that.
Okay, just make sure.
It's all streaming.
You know what the YouTube thing, the most fascinating thing about it is?
It's only YouTube.
That's the crazy thing.
We think about how big the internet is and there's really only one thing like YouTube.
everlast
It was a good moment they came and the branding and everything they did.
joe rogan
They just own it.
everlast
I don't know if it was a documentary because it wasn't full length, but it might have been just like a little feature within a news kind of segment thing about how the original videos that were huge on YouTube were like a kid biting another kid.
Wow.
The original first, for the longest time, the most played video on YouTube was Charlie biting the kid or something.
joe rogan
Charlie bit me!
everlast
And that's where it all came from.
It almost came from America's home video, like funniest home video kind of thing.
YouTube kind of filled in that void for a long time.
They were memes before they were memes.
They were just viral videos, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
That wasn't that long ago.
That's what's so crazy.
It's like a decade ago.
everlast
Well, I mean, the necessity of having to change the music business is what changed YouTube, you know, because they caught on, like, RITV doesn't play videos anymore, and nobody's buying records, so we gotta sell.
You know, the whole thing for the longest was, like, when the bottom had really fallen out for a while of making any money off of actual records, was like, well, you can bootleg my record, and you can download my record, but you can't download the t-shirt.
Right.
So it became sell the lifestyle.
So the music became background music to everything else.
It was part of the lifestyle and the cars and this.
And all I wanted you to do was really go buy this limited edition t-shirt that I'm selling you right now.
You know what I mean?
That's the game changed into.
And it's still that.
You know what I mean?
That's why the fuckery and the trollism and all that.
Because people want eyes on them.
So the next thing they have the opportunity to sell, they can sell.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what's interesting to me about labels is now labels get a piece of everything.
They do these 360 deals.
everlast
Yeah, that's Satan.
That was unheard of when I was there.
Not only t-shirt sales, they get a piece of live money.
How could they?
It used to be like, I had to pay you.
It used to be like, all right, a record label would give me half a million dollars.
And I'd go and make a record with that.
I could spend whatever I wanted making the record and whatever the rest of the money left over was mine.
That 500 grand was mine.
I could spend it all making the record or I could spend 50 grand making the record and pocket the rest.
That was up to me.
And then after that, your job as a label was to sell that record.
My job was to hit the road and go tour.
And I'd go tour for a few years, and at first, I'm not even making money touring.
You're giving me money to go out there and tour.
It's called tour support.
That used to be.
And that gets added onto your bill.
joe rogan
You didn't get paid.
everlast
No, you would get money for tour, but it wouldn't cover a bus and a band and all this, so the label would supplement that with what they called tour support, which would also become part of the debt you owed the label.
Right.
As you built your live audience, your guarantees would go up.
Sooner or later you could stop taking that money.
And then your record sales would pay that off, hopefully, if you were doing well enough.
And now you got your own stream of revenue with live t-shirts, all this other outside shit that's yours.
That's the way it was when I came up.
Now it's like, that's not a deal.
They want it all.
joe rogan
How'd they sneak that in?
everlast
Well, because when Napster and shit dropped the bottom out of the record business and nobody was paying for records, labels weren't going to give you a half a million dollars just for your record because nobody was buying records.
They want to sell your t-shirts, too.
joe rogan
Isn't that amazing, though, that they figured out how to stay alive like that?
Because they always knew that people were going to be needy.
everlast
It all boils down to this, too.
And I hope somebody one day really investigates this and makes some sort of documentary about it.
They had so many opportunities to be ahead.
The movie industry didn't take the same hit.
They took hits and they dealt with piracy, but they...
The music industry had a moment, if you remember, there was some kids that got in trouble for downloading ridiculous amounts of music and their parents were being held responsible.
And the music industry backed off of it because the news wasn't good.
The movie industry never backed off of that kind of shit.
They told you, we're going to fucking sue your life off.
joe rogan
Well, some people did get sued for music, though.
everlast
But the music industry backed off, though.
They didn't keep the pedal down and keep the foot on the neck like, you're going to steal this.
This costs...
You gotta remember back then, if I would have got a half a million dollars, I probably would have spent up to two of that on a record.
$200,000 just on the making, studio time, whoever's gotta be involved, engineers, producers, 200 grand off top.
That's minimum we would have spent on a record.
And then you go out and people steal it.
You know what I mean?
It's the same, you know...
joe rogan
Did you ever download shit for free?
everlast
My thing, not at first, my thing became later like, okay, this is the wave, whatever.
But my philosophy was if I downloaded your shit and I liked it...
I'd go buy it.
joe rogan
Me too.
everlast
If I downloaded it and it was trashed, then hey, I looked at it as a taste test.
joe rogan
That's good, yeah.
everlast
Okay, maybe if more people adapted that, things would have...
But again, the record industry had plenty of opportunities to jump ahead of it and be...
There was technology out there already that people were dealing with, bringing it to them, telling them this wave is coming, and the record industry was making so much money at that time.
If you look at the amount of money they were making off of the boy bands and the Britney Spears and all...
It was retarded how much money was in the record business.
And they let it all go down the drain because they thought they had all the answers and they thought it had all the money.
joe rogan
What could they have done to stop it?
everlast
I'd have to go.
I have some books on it.
joe rogan
Something like get paid for streaming.
everlast
There were people ready there to help set up things like Naster and how to monetize it and control it.
There was ways to deal with it.
There were ways to be part of it instead of wait until it was too late.
joe rogan
Well, the thing about the movie industry, too, though, is that people want to go to the movies.
The experience is not as good.
everlast
Apple Music saved the music industry.
Apple at first.
iTunes.
Why didn't the record industry...
There were people telling them, this is coming, and I didn't mean to interrupt you, but...
They could have made iTunes first.
Not called iTunes, but the record industry itself should have digitized and been ready.
It would have been that simple.
joe rogan
Come up with their own version of iTunes.
everlast
And they could have invested a lot more money...
joe rogan
The music industry is booming, but artists are losing big.
everlast
Because most artists are signed to record deals.
joe rogan
With just 12% of revenue.
12%?
Whoa!
$43 billion a year was its most profitable year since 2006. Listeners are spending more money than ever, largely on streaming and live music, with consumer spending totaling more than $20 billion last year.
Wow.
Yet artists aren't feeling the increase.
Of that 20 billion music industry, entities such as record labels took home 10 billion.
Musicians taking home just 5.1 billion with the majority of the revenue coming from touring and concert sales.
It's amazing.
That's amazing.
It's like a parasitic industry.
People don't necessarily need them the way they used to need them.
everlast
Not like they used to.
I was going to just play devil's advocate and say, well, it used to be that I'm the guy to put up all the...
If I'm the label, I'm I'm putting up millions of dollars in advance, gambling it on you.
Now when you win, you want to take away my lion's share?
No, fuck you.
Now it's totally different.
Now you can do this on your own.
You know what I mean?
You can start an Instagram, start a YouTube, start this, and you can make beats on your laptop in your living room.
joe rogan
Well, like Chance the Rapper, right?
Isn't that the guy who does everything he's done is his own shit online?
jamie vernon
Sure.
joe rogan
Sure?
jamie vernon
Sure, yeah.
joe rogan
You don't believe it?
unidentified
What do you mean?
jamie vernon
Not exactly.
joe rogan
Oh, Jamie's got a conspiracy theory?
jamie vernon
Not a conspiracy, but he's got more support than he would say.
joe rogan
Now he does?
jamie vernon
Sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, now he does, maybe.
But I mean, basically, he's become huge all on his own, right?
And, I mean, you look, it's like so many viral music hits.
You know, they get big online just because kids share it and they like it, and then it becomes gigantic.
Like, with the music industry, the industry, the labels have nothing to do with that, right?
everlast
No, there's labels that are doing their thing out there that actually know what they're doing and marketing-wise and all that.
There's still a lot of kids that are being made, you know, famous by labels.
joe rogan
So there's some benefit.
everlast
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of the reason some of these artists are only seeing 5.1 benefits because they're signed to record deals, you know.
Jay-Z ain't only saying 5%, you know, 5% of what, you know, he's due because he, you know, he's been in the game long enough, he knows.
And they started out with their own label.
They started, in the beginning, Rockefeller Records was independent.
So that's the kind of...
You know, those kind of guys are never going to lose as long as, you know, they can still make music that people buy.
joe rogan
Yeah, they figure out a way to rope you in early, too, where, like, even if your record is successful, the second record, it's not like you're going to be able to be independent on the second record.
They own you for several down the line, right?
everlast
Usually, I mean, it used to be, I think the standard was like $8.
Eight albums.
But it's misleading because it depends on where you're from, too.
If your first record is very successful and you have a lawyer that has any wherewithal, you're renegotiating before you do the second record.
These are things you learn.
But if you're struggling, that eight-record thing, too, also, if you...
Study the record business, it goes back to when actually artists used to be built.
Nobody expected the first album to do anything.
When they would sign bands in the 60s, they had a plan by album 3 and 4, here's where we'll be.
They used to build artists.
There used to be A&R. They actually used to nurture and fucking take care of a band for a long time and watch them grow.
That's the way it used to be until whatever it was.
Maybe the 80s it changed.
joe rogan
I had a record deal for my comedy album in 1999. I had a record deal with Warner Brothers.
It was like a real record deal.
I met with them.
They promoted it.
The whole deal.
I went through the whole record industry business.
everlast
Yeah, there was always a comedian or two on labels.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't have that anymore.
I mean, comedy albums...
everlast
You do it yourself.
joe rogan
Well, it's not just that.
You definitely can do it yourself.
But comedy albums just aren't that popular anymore for some strange reason.
everlast
Well, because it's...
joe rogan
It's a piss-poor way to view the art form.
You want to watch it.
everlast
Exactly.
I was about to say, it's so visual that now...
Comedy albums were big when everybody didn't have a TV screen or everything.
It's like you could listen and imagine what he was doing.
joe rogan
But some guys translate super well.
Like Mitch Hedberg translates amazing to CD, to just audio only.
Because he basically just stands there and tells great jokes.
It's fun to watch him, more fun to watch him, but once you know what he looks like and how he does it, it's kind of cool to listen to it on the albums.
everlast
I was just talking about Stephen Wright the other day, too.
joe rogan
Stephen Wright was a genius.
everlast
Yeah, he was amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that style is hard to do.
See, what Mitch Hedberg basically did was do that Stephen Wright style, but like a more stony drug style, but the drugs allowed him to come up with way more of those things.
Hedberg could just go on for days.
He had so much fucking material, man.
That guy wrote constantly.
He was always writing till the end.
In the end, you know, the drugs got to him.
Obviously, they killed him.
But he was...
That's a non-sequitur style.
That's the hardest style of comedy.
You say one thing, and then you say something totally unrelated to the next joke, and the next joke's totally unrelated.
everlast
No sequencing or...
joe rogan
No, man.
And, you know, it's all...
everlast
Segways, I'm sorry.
That's a word I was like, sequencing.
That's an album.
joe rogan
But sequencing, too.
It's like they don't fit in together in any way, shape, or form.
They're just total non-sequiturs.
Just, here's a funny thing I thought of.
Here's another funny thing I thought of.
But his style was so unique.
Just the way he delivered things was so unique.
He was funny just talking about nothing.
Like talking about anything.
One of my favorite jokes of his, he goes, somebody asked me if I want a frozen banana.
I said no, but I want a regular banana later.
unidentified
So yes That's just such a silly joke, but it's such a great job That's a stoner joke, for sure.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
All day.
He's got like one of the best...
His albums are some of the best stoner material of all time.
Maybe the best.
everlast
You're gonna make me go listen to some.
joe rogan
Oh, he was an incredible man.
everlast
Oh, I'm familiar.
I just haven't listened to it or heard any of it.
joe rogan
I'll throw him on every now and again when I'm on my way to the airport.
everlast
I used to listen to, on Sirius all the time, the comedy channel, the dirtier, darker one, you know, the more grown-up one.
And he'd pop on there every once in a while.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I haven't had Sirius in forever.
Do you still listen to that?
everlast
No, because I just...
joe rogan
Yeah.
everlast
Honestly, my favorite thing in the car is silence.
joe rogan
Really?
everlast
Yeah.
By myself, I get a lot of thinking done driving.
Or if I'm ever really stumped while I'm working on a song, because I don't write things down or anything, I'll get in the car and drive and somehow it'll work itself out.
I can really just relax behind the wheel.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know what you mean.
everlast
Unless I'm in the middle of fucked up driving.
At night, I can get in a car, I can drive on an open road, and it really relaxes me.
joe rogan
I have a car that I take to the comedy store all the time, and it's a 1993 Porsche.
It doesn't have any radio.
No radio, it's manual transmission, no power steering, no air conditioning.
It's just an old car.
When you drive it, you feel every bump, and it's like, and you shift it.
But because of all that, I have to think, and it fires my brain up because I'm doing all these different things, hitting a clutch, shifting the gears, managing this heavy steering wheel and all that jazz.
And when I get to the store, my brain is charged up because of it.
It's like I've been doing a bunch of things.
everlast
It's like exercising your brain.
joe rogan
I'm not in the back seat sleeping, waiting to get to the show, and then I wake myself up.
everlast
I love to drive.
joe rogan
Do you still get that crazy Audi?
everlast
No, not right now.
I just bought a truck, actually, and I got a CLS 63S. Yeah, it's nice.
I just couldn't bring the kids in the Audi, but I miss it so much, I'm actually about to get another one.
joe rogan
They have a new one.
everlast
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
That's a beast of a car.
everlast
What do you think?
I was like, all right, I got to hit the road for about three months.
I'll be back for that car.
joe rogan
It's an amazing car.
Yeah, it's a good time if you're into cars.
They got a lot of crazy ass fucking automobiles now.
everlast
Yeah, when I did have the R8, man, I would just like, and then I lived much further south.
I actually lived off the 15, like below the 91. And I would, when I would shoot to sometimes out to Vegas for fights, I would just jump in the R8 like on a Thursday night, like 11 o'clock.
I'd be there by two.
I'd get there in like three hours.
joe rogan
Jesus.
everlast
I mean, I was already on the 15. I wasn't coming from deep LA. Still, Jesus.
unidentified
But I'd do like a fucking buck three the whole way.
joe rogan
God damn it.
That's fast.
That's a four-wheel drive car, too.
That car's glued to the ground.
everlast
It's like on fucking rails, man.
It's one of my favorite cars I've ever driven.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And the style, like, it's still relevant.
Like, they've kept that style, basically, with just a little few facelifts and improvements for a few years.
everlast
I mean, it's essentially like a mini Lamborghini, right?
It's the same engine.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's the Gallardo.
The same engine as the Gallardo.
I mean, it's more than enough power.
The crazy thing about today's cars is they have so much power, it's just ridiculous.
Like, every year it's like a new faster 0-60 time, new records on the Nürburgring.
It's like, what are you doing?
Like, where are you taking this?
Like, where are you going to drive this thing that fast?
everlast
It's gonna be teleporting.
joe rogan
The new Corvette ZR1 has 700 and something fucking horsepower.
everlast
How does it even stay on the...
joe rogan
It barely does.
One of the drivers from GM, one of the head execs from GM, took it on a racetrack when they were first releasing it and crashed.
Like, immediately spun out and slammed into the fucking wall.
unidentified
That's great.
joe rogan
You gotta know what the fuck you're doing if you're throttling.
I mean, you have to be able to navigate that throttle with 700 horsepower, because no matter what, those wheels are spinning.
Especially rear-wheel drive, no matter how much traction control.
You ever see that video?
See?
Find the video.
It's fucking hilarious.
It's a good video to watch, to let you know, like, this is a crazy vehicle that you people are selling.
You're letting people get a car that is so much faster than anything that was on the road five years ago.
I mean, it's a fucking insane mobile.
everlast
And the speed limit ain't changed.
You know where that car comes in handy?
Germany.
joe rogan
Yeah.
GM exec crashes new Corvette ZR1. I mean, this was before it was even released.
This dude showed everybody what the problem is.
everlast
This is the only one he ain't sent me, man.
joe rogan
I got an extra one.
everlast
He ain't sent me that one.
Funny, I was talking about this guy.
I liked a picture of his so long ago.
joe rogan
Here it is.
Look at this guy.
Boom!
Play that again.
everlast
Oh my goodness.
joe rogan
Watch this.
Play it from the beginning, this knucklehead.
jamie vernon
It started too quick.
I'll see if there's more angles.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Look at this.
Right away, this guy.
Hey, I know how to drive.
I'm a fucking executive.
everlast
Shit!
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's driving like an asshole.
He doesn't know how to drive.
Sorry, sir.
everlast
He just put the foot down.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.
Dumbass.
Look, that's a car that you have to know how to navigate once the ass end kicks out, too.
unidentified
He was just stomping it.
everlast
That's hilarious.
unidentified
Crash.
everlast
I'm sure he got...
He felt like an asshole.
A nice amount of shit at the next board meeting.
joe rogan
Well, he should.
Look at that fucking car, though.
Good lord.
What a beast of a car.
everlast
What are they retailing for?
joe rogan
It's more than $100,000.
I think it's like $150,000, $160,000.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Probably fully loaded, but it is a monster.
everlast
It looks good.
I like what they've done to the body style.
joe rogan
See, but you know where your R8 has a huge advantage?
Your R8 is a four-wheel drive car.
And 755 horsepower.
Good lord.
Good lord.
everlast
That's insane.
joe rogan
Good lord.
But the problem is it's hard to keep all that power down on the ground with...
Rear-wheel drive car you're just gonna get a lot of sliding and if you know how to drive you like that People who know how to drive they want to kick the ass in out sideways and yeah But like if you drive a like say a Nissan GTR is perfect example One of the best things about that car is a regular person can drive it pretty fast Because there's a lot of electronics and what they would call nanny controls that sort of keep everything in order So that car has been around for a long time.
They really haven't changed a whole lot about the way it looks.
But they've made these incremental improvements in performance.
And to this day, that is one of the beastiest cars you could drive.
That car is a motherfucker.
I rented one of those in Austin last year.
Holy shit was it fun.
It's a crazy car.
It defies logic.
Like, it defies physics.
That's the Nismo one.
You don't want that one unless you want to take it to a track, because that shit's harsh as fuck.
You just want the regular one.
The regular one is beastie enough.
They're amazing cars, though.
All the pop-up windows, trying to get you to buy it.
Come on, buy it.
everlast
Buy this.
joe rogan
Come on, buy it.
unidentified
Buy it.
joe rogan
Buy it.
But really, if I was going to get a brand new Japanese car, the real car to get now is the new NSX. The new NSX. TJ Dillashaw has one.
He brought it in here, and I was checking it out outside.
Fuck, man.
It's got electric engines on top of the regular engines.
It's an amazing car.
Just fucking amazing.
And it's gorgeous.
everlast
Oh, the Acura.
Okay.
joe rogan
And they have a 2019 one that's coming out that has even more improvements.
But it's hard for them to sell these cars because, like, look at how good that looks.
Look how good that looks.
Goddamn that looks.
everlast
I'm still kind of partial to the Audi.
joe rogan
Audi's a beast.
everlast
Yeah, I love it.
joe rogan
Look, it's just, it's apples or oranges.
It's just what you're into.
TJ's got that color, too, that blue.
Pull up 2018 Audi R8. Oh!
It's a 19. Oh!
Look at that!
everlast
That's gorgeous.
joe rogan
Come on, son!
You gotta get silver, too, because it looks like a fucking spaceship.
That's a monster car.
Look how beautiful that is.
That's one of the best-looking cars I've ever seen.
everlast
What are they, like a Buck 82?
joe rogan
Something like that.
Monster.
Monster vehicle.
Just ridiculous performance.
everlast
Good-looking car.
joe rogan
Yeah, and easy to drive, too.
It's one of those cars that's just glued to the ground, four-wheel drive, electric engines controlling the wheels, crazy brake systems.
amazing look at that god damn it look at that fucking thing crazy 159 cheese mows That's a lot of cheddar.
jamie vernon
Ka-chow.
unidentified
Ka-chow!
joe rogan
But it doesn't have the sound that your car had.
See, the thing about the Audi is they have that big-ass fucking V8 or the V10, depending on which one you get.
That's a different thing, man.
It's a different thing.
What is that beast?
unidentified
The new R8. Ooh, what the fuck?
joe rogan
2019 R8 LMS. Oh, that's the race car.
That's a monster.
That's gorgeous.
Pull up 2019 Audi R8. People get mad when we talk too much about cars.
I couldn't even afford these cars, bro.
Why are you talking about these cars?
everlast
Because it's fun.
joe rogan
That must be the camouflaged one.
jamie vernon
I saw on Twitter someone posted a picture.
They saw one driving around with this weird paint job.
joe rogan
I've seen that.
They drive them all over cities and everything like that to test them.
They do that for quite a long time.
I've been around a few of those cars.
everlast
You ever see the one that they'll do it with regular cars?
I remember the PT Cruiser?
joe rogan
Yes.
everlast
When that was first, long before it came out, like about a year before it came out, they would see this ugly fucking thing driving around with these magnetic covers all over it, so you couldn't see the car, but you could totally tell what the shape was.
joe rogan
Right.
everlast
It was fucking hilarious.
joe rogan
Nobody gives a shit about that car anyway.
everlast
What, they're gonna steal your design?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No one's stealing that design.
everlast
It was such a shitty car.
joe rogan
Dude, I drove one once.
I rented one because it looked kind of cool.
I said, I'll take one of those.
That's kind of cool looking.
Oh my God, what a death trap.
I was driving.
I was like, this thing has zero control.
You can't corner in it.
The brakes suck.
everlast
It's just built to look like an old surfer car.
joe rogan
Way worse.
I rented a Hummer H3 once.
everlast
I would never even.
joe rogan
Oh, good lord!
And I took it on a dirt road.
I was in Colorado.
We drove up this hill.
Every time I was going around a corner, it was kicking out sideways.
That thing had like zero traction.
It was a terrible car.
jamie vernon
Did you ever drive a Prowler?
joe rogan
Oh, never.
No.
Interesting side bit.
Chip Foose designed that.
Same guy who built my Barracuda.
Or designed my Barracuda, not built it.
everlast
Yeah, no thanks.
joe rogan
Yeah, disgusting vehicle.
everlast
That was like the Hot Wheel you hated.
joe rogan
Right, you're like, get this one out of here, man.
everlast
That's the Hot Wheel you put a firecracker in.
joe rogan
Yeah, give me that old Corvette.
Fuck this little thing.
Yeah, they tried those.
They tried those for a while.
It's an interesting time for cars, though, now.
And people are starting to go towards electric cars.
Have you driven a Tesla yet?
everlast
No.
joe rogan
That's a goddamn space machine.
Those things are rocket ships.
They're so fast, they don't even make any sense.
They don't make any sense.
They're zero to 60 in like two seconds.
everlast
That's crazy.
joe rogan
They're so fast.
everlast
I wasn't hip to that.
joe rogan
There's no gears, right?
Because the transmission is not the same.
It's not a combustion engine that has to feed in the transmission, the clutch and all that stuff.
everlast
This is kind of like when you just press forward on the remote control cars, right?
It just...
joe rogan
Exactly.
It just goes.
everlast
That kind of makes sense, yeah.
joe rogan
Just an electric car that goes 1.9 seconds, son, 0 to 60. What in the actual fuck?
And it can go 620 miles before you have to charge it.
everlast
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's going to be a monster.
everlast
Yeah, and how long you got to wait to get one?
unidentified
Probably a while.
everlast
Hey, maybe you got a word in with your buddy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not ready yet.
It's 2020. They're not even going to start selling them.
I don't even think they've...
They're not even in production.
Meanwhile, he shot one off into space.
Look how pretty it is, though.
God, when that thing comes out, that's a gorgeous car.
everlast
That's a CGI, though, right?
joe rogan
No, no, that's the car.
jamie vernon
That's probably the one they made.
joe rogan
Remember they had one they shot into space?
Look at that.
Look how fast that fucking thing goes.
1.9 seconds.
250 plus miles per hour.
I mean, what the fuck?
That's going to be one of the most amazing cars ever once it actually comes out.
everlast
Yeah, that's kind of cool.
joe rogan
Save up your cheddar.
200 G's.
everlast
Whoa!
joe rogan
250 fully loaded.
unidentified
Whoa!
everlast
It's just a quarter brick, dawg.
That's it.
joe rogan
Founder Series Reservation.
What does that mean?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
Cool.
Awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah, that guy was a weird guy to talk to, because I couldn't get over all the stuff he does.
I'm like, how do you do all these different things?
How do you make these, and then you make roof panels, and then you're like drilling tunnels, and then you're shooting rockets into space.
unidentified
SpaceX.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's doing everything.
everlast
Maybe he's an alien.
joe rogan
You said he was.
Maybe we should listen.
Said he was an alien.
everlast
He might be.
Might be a higher thinking life form.
joe rogan
Well, he might as well be, right?
If he was an alien and he looked exactly like that...
everlast
I'll be honest, when he grabbed a joint and the way he kind of looked at it, I was kind of like, it seemed kind of like a guy who was kind of like, I'm not familiar with this practice, but...
joe rogan
Or maybe he's so smart that he thought it would be funny if he pretended he didn't know what a joint was.
everlast
Could be.
I don't think he didn't know what it was.
I'm just saying as he was about to partake, he kind of had this real inquisitive like...
joe rogan
Yeah, but there was a part.
It was a blunt.
And he almost seemed like he didn't know what a blunt was.
everlast
I can believe that.
joe rogan
Really?
everlast
I can believe that.
jamie vernon
The glass tip could have thrown him off because that's a little unique if you're not familiar.
everlast
Not everybody is hip to weed culture, man, as we think.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right, but when he said that Tesla was going private, funding secure at 420...
He's got to pay $20 million for that joke.
That joke cost him $20 million.
The SEC got mad at him.
They fined him.
everlast
Yeah, well, it's also manipulating your stock prices a little bit.
You can send your shareholders into a panic.
joe rogan
Jamie was concerned that they were going to contact us and see if we arranged that pot smoking part.
Like if that was something that had been arranged in advance because it crashed the stock.
everlast
I read all the stories.
I was like, Joe Rogan making noise out here.
joe rogan
I was like, oh Jesus, we didn't do that, did we?
I definitely didn't.
Yeah, that was organic, folks.
everlast
Dude, that was amazing, dude.
That was amazing.
joe rogan
Strange.
everlast
That's what this podcast is for.
joe rogan
Yeah, for strange shit.
Strange moments that you can't get on NBC. Well, you can't even get it on Netflix.
I mean, look at Norm Macdonald's show on Netflix.
He's got that thing that he's doing on Netflix.
Netflix is probably the most unrestricted of all networks, of all things you're trying to do.
In terms of comedy, there's nothing ever been like it.
It's the greatest thing.
Netflix, for sure, is the greatest thing that's ever happened to stand-up comedy.
Ever.
unidentified
I can see that.
joe rogan
Never been a company that...
everlast
Get just about any special you want.
joe rogan
They give you no feedback.
They don't fuck with you at all.
They don't censor you.
They don't tell you what to do.
They don't...
unidentified
Me.
joe rogan
They have...
Some people have said some things that they wanted to edit out.
everlast
Well, it's a numbers game, too, for them.
joe rogan
It has to be, like, way, way across the line before they...
everlast
They know what Joe Rogan numbers are.
That's when they come to you and they say, here's your special, we're going to do this.
They know who you are, what you do.
They're signing with you or doing your special with you because they know how many eyes you're going to bring to the channel.
joe rogan
Yeah, they know what they're doing, but it's still just having this ability to have something streaming.
If you were a person who said, oh, I want to do a show on this network, forget about Netflix.
If you just decided, that's almost like, I don't want people to watch this.
I want people to watch it one time.
I want it to be on 10 p.m.
Saturday, October 17th, and that's it.
Like who the fuck wants that?
Like nobody wants that.
You want someone to be at the airport with their phone and be going, huh, I want to go watch the Chris Rock special.
Let me check it out right now.
Bam!
everlast
It's amazing.
joe rogan
And then you're sitting there on your own just watching it.
everlast
There is no live TV and all that's going to the wayside.
joe rogan
It's useless.
I see commercials now.
I start laughing.
Why?
You fucking dinosaurs with your bullshit ass commercials.
I just finished Ozark.
Did you finish it?
everlast
The second season?
Don't say anything.
Don't say anything.
I just started the second season.
I'm on second episode.
joe rogan
It's so good.
everlast
I'm on the episode where the guy blew the hand off.
joe rogan
You should spoiler alert that, sir.
everlast
What?
Nobody knows why, when, or how.
joe rogan
Ah, don't!
There's people out there.
everlast
I'm just saying.
joe rogan
Netflix is killing it.
Stranger Things.
You ever watch that show?
everlast
Yeah, I'm waiting for the next season.
joe rogan
Goddamn!
everlast
Netflix, here's what Netflix is.
For me and my wife, that's one of our things.
We find a show to spend some time together.
joe rogan
We do that too, yeah.
everlast
Ozark, she found.
You know what I mean?
Stranger Things, I think I found.
But yeah, that's our thing.
Ozark has been kind of tough for us because we watched the first episode of season two, and then I went on tour for a month.
So we just watched the second one the other night.
And I gotta leave now.
And we don't have time to binge the whole thing.
joe rogan
Is there any other good ones that I need to know about?
People occasionally tweet me ones and I forget.
everlast
There's a weird German one called, I think, Dark.
I mean, it's subtitled and stuff, but it's crazy.
joe rogan
Well, Black Mirror, of course.
everlast
Oh yeah, Black Mirror.
joe rogan
That's the shit.
everlast
I watched all of those.
joe rogan
That shows the shit.
But that is a weird one.
That's one of those ones that I watch, like I'm stoned.
I come home from the comedy store and I'm smoking a little weed and I watch that and I'll go, why am I watching this before I go to bed?
everlast
I think the last time I was here, you were talking about the one, the Star Trek-y one, and that's what made me go look at it.
And I was like, let me go look at it again.
Because I think I watched it in the beginning.
I think I tried early on and it was the one where the politician had the fuck...
joe rogan
Oh, the fuck the pig?
everlast
Yeah.
And that kind of just was like, all right, sorry, whatever, this weird shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
everlast
And I probably just wasn't, you know, I was like, I don't want to, but then when you told me about that one, I went back, started there, and that was the last season, and then I worked my way back and actually got to that one again and re-watched it, and I was like, oh, these are all pretty crazy.
joe rogan
Did you see Heavy Metal?
Did you see that one?
That's the one with the drones, the drones coming after people?
everlast
Oh, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
everlast
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that's too close to home.
everlast
I binge watched Black Mirror pretty tough over a just two or three day period.
And like for like a couple weeks, I was convinced I'm living in a simulation.
Like after watching, especially the dating ones where they just keep me.
It's like that shit blew my mind a little bit.
joe rogan
That was another thing that Elon Musk freaked me out about.
He was saying it's quite possible that we are living in a simulation.
everlast
Oh, dude, I'm always playing with that idea.
Like, you posted something the other day that was like, oh, it was the Trump thing.
Was that a real t-shirt, by the way?
joe rogan
Well, it's a real t-shirt that you can buy, but it's not from Donald Trump's store.
It's a company that's selling them.
It's like trumpstore.shop.
Yeah, so it's not his.
everlast
But you wrote, like, we're living in a movie?
I was like, yeah, this is like a simulation.
joe rogan
But just the fact that someone's selling that.
everlast
This is like crazy.
joe rogan
Just the fact that someone, people are like, that's fake news.
It's not fake news.
It's a real shirt.
I know it's not his.
But the fact that that's a shirt that says, I like beer, and it has a guy who's, I mean, they're trying to put this guy in the Supreme Court.
It's fucking hilarious.
everlast
The whole world is hilarious.
joe rogan
The whole world's hilarious.
everlast
It's all fucked up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, this is one of the cool things about Black Mirror.
Black Mirror is showing you where some things could go in a total dystopian way.
Do you see Crocodile?
See that episode?
everlast
Crocodile.
joe rogan
That's the one where you can record memories?
Yes!
everlast
I've seen all of them, I just don't know the title.
joe rogan
This lady?
Remember this lady?
everlast
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Remember this lady with the car accident in the beginning?
jamie vernon
Insurance company.
joe rogan
Remember this?
everlast
Yes.
joe rogan
Remember this?
That's the darkest of the dark ones.
That one was so fucked up.
That one wrecked me.
Oh, that was the one where the people could rewind each other's memories and play back.
Yeah.
All that is coming.
everlast
Oh, that's easily coming.
joe rogan
All this shit is coming.
everlast
Then there's the one where it wasn't super dark, but it was where the chick was trying to up her status in the world.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
everlast
Get her stars up.
joe rogan
The Star Trek one's my favorite, I think.
That one was fucking amazing.
everlast
That was a good one.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
And that is this sort of weird blend of current reality and a possibility of simulation.
everlast
Where it was the chick wakes up and she doesn't know where she is, who she is, whatever, and everybody's recording.
She's the murderer.
That was a crazy one, too, man.
joe rogan
It's a fucking amazing show.
everlast
Yeah, I only...
If you hadn't mentioned the Star Trek one, I probably never would have revisited that.
joe rogan
God, so good.
There's so many good shows now.
What else is good?
What else I need to know about?
everlast
Have you seen it?
It's not a show.
It's, I think, a documentary-ish.
It's kind of like half documentary, and then they did some recreations.
It's called Wormwood.
joe rogan
No.
everlast
It's all about the acid, CIA, MKUltra program and shit.
joe rogan
Is that a Netflix thing?
everlast
It's on Netflix, yes, Wormwood.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
everlast
Oh, you've got to check it.
It's dope.
joe rogan
You know what my favorite one they did?
Do you know what Operation Midnight Climax is?
It sounds familiar.
The CIA, they ran a brothel, and they gave Johns, the guys would come to the fuckery, and they would give them acid to run tests on them.
everlast
They loved to give people acid for shit, man.
joe rogan
Back in the 50s, they didn't know what acid did.
everlast
It's called Wormwood?
Wormwood, yeah.
It's really good, man.
It has a really good actor playing the main role when they do the recreations.
You'll recognize him.
I forget his name.
He was in that movie about the Marines with Gyllenhaal.
Where they were in Iraq.
He was his partner.
joe rogan
Zero Dark Thirty?
jamie vernon
Jarhead?
everlast
No, Jarhead.
Yeah, he was his partner in Jarhead.
He was that guy.
He's in a lot of stuff.
I can't remember his name.
He's a really good actor, though.
joe rogan
There's just almost too much good shit to watch today.
everlast
Oh, yeah.
Another one I watched because of you was the documentary Wild...
joe rogan
Oh, Wild Wild Country?
everlast
Wild Wild Country.
And then it all started coming back.
I remember that news when I was young.
joe rogan
I don't remember that at all.
everlast
I started being like, oh, man, I kind of remember this.
joe rogan
You know, I've been reading his book.
everlast
You know what I just watched?
joe rogan
What?
everlast
Three Identical Strangers?
Oh, dude, about the triplets.
Oh, dude, I can't even...
I'm not going to spoil it.
Go watch that.
joe rogan
Is that a Netflix thing, too?
everlast
If it's not on Netflix, I got it on...
I rented it on iTunes for like five bucks.
joe rogan
Three Identical Strangers.
everlast
Yeah, yeah.
It might not be on Netflix.
unidentified
No, no, no.
everlast
But it's basically some triplets that were separated at birth.
And...
Did I say birth?
Birth.
unidentified
Birth.
everlast
At birth.
The first 20 minutes is amazing.
After that, it gets crazy and dark.
joe rogan
Really?
everlast
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, Making a Murderer.
So is that Netflix?
Three Identical Strangers?
jamie vernon
It didn't say.
It's just a documentary.
I don't know.
everlast
It could be.
joe rogan
Well, Wild Wild Country is just goddamn amazing.
everlast
It was a CNN film, so it could be on Netflix too.
But right now it's on iTunes and you have to rent it, so I don't think I found it on Netflix.
joe rogan
You know what's weird about Wild Wild Country?
And it's weird about all these crazy sex cults.
It's like part of it you go, yeah, they got something going on that's right.
They're figuring out something.
everlast
What I couldn't figure out about that was, where was the flashpoint where this guy became this guy?
What was the thing he did that make everybody believe?
Because that was never made clear to me.
I never understood, like, okay, I can understand people getting this excited about it, but what was the thing that he did or said?
And I never understood that part of it.
joe rogan
I've been reading his book, and it's actually pretty interesting.
I actually have it right here.
The Art of Living and Dying.
He wrote this book after he became Osho.
Or maybe they published it after he became Osho.
But it's a very good book.
It's weird.
He had some very good ideas.
He had some very good ideas.
Philosophically, he's a fascinating guy.
Or was a fascinating guy and there's real good evidence that his followers fucking poisoned him Like there's a lot of people I shouldn't say there's real good evidence There's a lot of people that followed the case very closely that believe that people close to him may have poisoned him and taking his taking his money So the whole thing, you know, I mean the whole thing was just a massive mindfuck.
Those houses are still there in that place.
Like that ranch that those guys set up there.
They're all beaten down.
They showed at the end of the documentary.
And you're like, whoa!
everlast
There's an interesting another dude.
I don't know if you've ever heard of him, a guy named Dr. Malachi York.
joe rogan
No, who's that guy?
everlast
He started in New York doing this sort of Islamic sect thing he did, and then he brought it into aliens and ancient Hebrew stuff.
He brought all this stuff together, all these philosophies, and he made this utopian society in Georgia.
But the dude was doing mad criminal shit.
And they got him.
I don't know if there's any movie about this.
joe rogan
Look at him.
The smile.
everlast
But this dude was like...
Give me that picture bigger.
joe rogan
Look how smiley he is.
everlast
Yeah.
It's an incredibly crazy story.
joe rogan
Damn, they put him away for 135 years.
unidentified
What did he do?
everlast
He was doing some crazy...
Stuff like sex cult stuff was going on with stuff in it.
joe rogan
It always becomes that.
everlast
You know...
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Who will lie on him to put him in jail?
everlast
Because I've never seen definitive...
I've read this and that, so it's like there's motherfuckers who say it was like he's set up and all this shit and that he had such a perfect society going that nobody wanted that to succeed.
But I'm pretty sure it's been proven that the dude was doing some pretty criminal shit.
joe rogan
Here's two things that seem to happen.
Whenever anybody runs any kind of crazy cult or any sort of weird...
Community outside the norm.
It always becomes sex.
It always becomes like the dude says, you know, we don't need this.
everlast
Yeah, I think that's what got him in trouble.
I feel like I remember some, like it being some sexual.
Yeah, there it is.
unidentified
What are you saying, Jamie?
everlast
They're having sex with children.
Oh, Jesus.
That's what they got him.
joe rogan
If they wanted to bust him on something, if they really wanted to bring him down, that's what they would accuse him of.
Once someone accuses you of sex with children, even if you're not guilty, it's on you forever.
But the thing is, no one has ever pulled off a utopian alternative society.
Never.
It's crazy.
It's really interesting because the entire history of the United States, no one's been able to do it.
Like, they try it, they'll try it for a little bit, and then it falls apart.
Every single one of them.
That's amazing.
It's amazing that no one, whether it's Waco, no one.
It's like this.
everlast
I look at it like the line from The Matrix.
It's like, you know, our first version of The Matrix kept failing because it was all too good and too nice.
We had to fuck it up a little for everybody to accept it.
joe rogan
Wow.
To me, it's quite fascinating that we stick to a standard way of living, which is our modern, industrial, Western civilization.
And that is it.
And any deviation of that is scrutinized to the point where it's dismantled and the government steps in.
They always have guns, too.
They always have guns.
everlast
Way too many guns.
joe rogan
Way too many guns because they want to protect their way of life.
And then someone's banging people's wives and taking all the money.
Fascinating.
It's weird that not one has figured it out.
Not one group has just got it nailed.
everlast
Well, it's probably part of the thing that power corrupts.
You can't have one person that's like the almighty know-it-all of a thing because he's going to take advantage and then somebody smart within the clique is going to say, hey, this is not right and it's going to fall apart.
joe rogan
And it always is one person.
everlast
Or there's going to be a person underneath that wants that position and is going to do something to get it.
joe rogan
But it's always like one charismatic person that seems to lead these things.
Like whether it's Jonestown or whether it's Waco.
everlast
Charles Manson.
joe rogan
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah.
It's always one dude who's like, this society's fucked up, man.
everlast
You can take that and apply it to Hitler.
joe rogan
Yep.
unidentified
Sure.
everlast
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah.
everlast
One guy gets everybody's attention and next thing you know, Yeah, it is weird, isn't it?
joe rogan
Like this desire to have a big daddy who got all the answers.
Who's better than us.
Because we're all so confused.
It would be very comforting if someone came along who really understood it all.
I've got the solution.
And especially if they have a big-ass, giant, crazy white beard like Osho did.
And then they bowed you everywhere.
everlast
Or if their answers blame the people you wanted to blame.
You know what I mean?
That's another good technique.
What does everybody want to be?
Okay, that's what we're going to blame it on.
We'll focus our hate.
joe rogan
Capitalism.
Capitalism.
everlast
The government.
A lot of these things don't work out because they have to be based on what we talked about earlier.
Doing unto others as you want them to do.
Truthfully living that lifestyle.
When it doesn't happen like that.
Cats get the power.
They get in charge.
They want to keep that power.
They want to stay in charge.
And they're not going to treat other people the way they want it.
They're going to start intimidating people because that's the way you keep people in line.
joe rogan
Always.
Always.
everlast
People want to be, you know, subjugated, man.
Like you're saying, they want somebody to babysit and say, oh, I can just sit over here and just be dumb?
Okay, cool.
joe rogan
And if no one was in charge, someone would come along that would want to be in charge.
Someone would say, you know what the problem with this organization is?
There's no leadership.
We need a strong leader.
We need someone who respects the values and principles this society was founded on, but someone who also understands how to be a leader.
And then people go, yes, yes.
everlast
That makes so much sense.
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
Guide us.
everlast
They just want to...
It's the same thing.
It's what goes on in Instagram.
Everybody wants to believe that that guy's got his shit together.
That guy's got his shit together, man.
Fuck, I want to be like that.
Not knowing that behind the scenes...
joe rogan
He's falling apart.
everlast
He's falling the fuck apart, man.
joe rogan
I know.
They're just trying to make it look like they got their shit together.
everlast
I had a friend recently.
No names or anything, but like...
A friend in a couple you would never ever in your life think they were the...
I mean, I was like, man, I just want to have a relationship like yours.
You know what I mean?
And no fuss or mess or anything.
One day, I just turn around and they have their Instagram names are different.
And all of a sudden, I call them, what's up?
And he's like, oh, yeah, we just...
It didn't work.
joe rogan
We couldn't fake it anymore.
everlast
It was like...
I don't know if it's that serious, but it just shows you none of that shit is real, because we don't put our shit moments up for everybody to see.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Elon Musk talked about that, too.
The people that you see on Instagram that you think are on social media that you think are the happiest are probably pretty sad.
everlast
The people with the biggest smiles are fucking struggling the most, for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they're trying to project that.
They're always trying to project you the best version of what their life got.
everlast
You know what gets the best response all over my Instagram?
When I post about my family or even our struggles, like, this is rough right now.
But you share it.
You say, huh.
But we're going to get through.
We're going to be all right.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the things that people like about you, you know, is that you're real.
You're not, I mean, even though you're a famous guy who's been a successful musician for a long time.
everlast
He's kind of famous.
I used to be famous.
joe rogan
But you're you.
You're a normal dude, you know?
everlast
I take that as the highest compliment.
joe rogan
You should.
It is the highest compliment.
everlast
I take that as a seriously high compliment.
joe rogan
I gotta wrap this podcast up because I have to shit my pants.
everlast
Alright, before we do, tomorrow night, the Brooklyn Bowl.
Friday, August 5th at the Brooklyn Bowl, UFC Ultimate Pre-Party.
T. Woodley is hosting.
joe rogan
Oh, beautiful.
everlast
Oh yeah, Psycho Realm and my man Evidence.
If you want to get a discount, UFC Unfiltered is the code.
Put it in there.
Come see us tomorrow night.
It's gonna be the bomb.
joe rogan
And get it, ladies and gentlemen.
Everlast, Whitey Ford, House of Pain, available now, everywhere.
Thank you, my brother.
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