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Joe Rogan Experience #1138 - Ted Nugent
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ted nugent
I'm Morgan.
The masters are out there.
joe rogan
I use one, three, two, one, boom.
And we're live.
We're just talking about target panic, ladies and gentlemen.
Most people don't know about all that.
ted nugent
It's like erectile dysfunction for archery.
joe rogan
It's panic, right?
ted nugent
It's because you want that arrow to go so bad.
By the way, Thanks for having me on here.
joe rogan
My pleasure.
ted nugent
I understand from all the input I get from all my intelligent friends that you deserve me.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm excited about this.
ted nugent
So we'll have a good time.
joe rogan
Well, your assistant reached out and said...
ted nugent
My people reach out, yeah.
joe rogan
She said, I think you'll have more in common with Ted than you realize.
That was her pitch.
ted nugent
Truth, logic, common sense, spirit, physics of the American dream.
joe rogan
Perhaps controversial and misunderstood people?
ted nugent
Yes.
Boy, we're surrounded.
joe rogan
Maybe both of us.
ted nugent
Clusterfuck, ring any bells?
Yes, indeed.
joe rogan
So Target Panic, I got lucky in that I got hooked up with John Dudley early before I developed Target Panic.
ted nugent
He's the master.
joe rogan
And he explained to me...
Shot sequences.
Yeah, shot sequences.
Yeah.
ted nugent
And let's make this available universally to all of our podcast friends out there.
In life, the clusterfuck to omniscience is what we aspire to.
Maximum level of awareness on all fronts.
I don't care if you're a welder, a podcaster, a guitar player, or a butcher.
Maximum efficiency.
Being the best that you can be, clear mind, clear conscience, true north compass.
In the world of archery, because it does consume you, and here I am 70 years clean and sober because I'm currently and forever consumed with the mystical flight of the arrow, which is the origins of Zen, the Japanese religion of not shooting an arrow,
not being an arrow, But being the path of your life, and if you use the gifts from God to the ultimate application of efficiency and effectiveness, you can put that fucking arrow right Right where you want it to.
And the baggage that all humans have to deal with, and it's most painfully manifested in the pursuit of archery, is too many minds.
You can't think about it.
If you've got to think about playing wang dang sweet pun tang, you ain't going to play it.
It better just be you and unleash, and with an arrow, because you want to let that arrow go, because you're You're shooting an arrow!
It's archery!
I need to put that arrow down there in that bullseye or in that pump station or in that crease of the buffalo.
And so you want it to go because that's what you're here for is to let the arrow go.
So you've got to tell yourself you can't let the arrow go.
You have to shoot so many arrows throughout your life that no too many minds, subconscious physics of spirituality, ingrained deep within your origins and aboriginal ancestry.
There it is.
If ever there was an aim small, miss small, perfection...
It's archery.
And let me, I don't mean to monologue here, but this is so much of my life.
joe rogan
I know.
ted nugent
No matter what you do, and I've done this since the 60s when the hippies were trying to get me stoned, and I'm going, no, that's not what you want to do.
What you want to do is get a bow and arrow.
What you want to do is escape what you're trying to escape, the pressures.
The pressures, fuck those pressures.
You be the source of pressure, not the receiver of pressure.
And my dad raised me.
My dad was a drill sergeant.
God bless that son of a bitch.
He was awesome.
I hated him.
Discipline, discipline, discipline, discipline, especially at the archery range.
And so I learned archery, and when I'm playing guitar and I'm playing all this outrageous Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Little Richard stuff, and everybody's getting high and drunk, and they're really great musicians, and the more high and the more drunk they got, they became less great musicians until the point where they weren't even musicians anymore.
And so I would escape that.
And I was 11, 12, and there was no hippies.
It was beatniks.
And I'd get back to my little house in Redford on the Rouge River in Detroit, and I'd get that little bow and arrow, and I'd go down to Skunk Hollow, and there's a river rat.
And even as a stupid, mushy-brained, idiot child, I was able to...
A little longbow, no recurves yet, you know.
I could shoot a rat in the eye because I had no baggage yet.
I haven't developed any social baggage.
And that has served me so...
joe rogan
The many minds.
ted nugent
Too many minds.
No minds.
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Spirit.
joe rogan
That's the baggage.
ted nugent
Yeah, too many minds.
joe rogan
That's the thing that people who don't shoot arrows, when you start talking about this, they don't really understand what you're saying.
I know exactly what you're saying, but for a lot of people, this is a very misunderstood subject, right?
ted nugent
Yep.
joe rogan
That this is a meditation.
There's a meditation involved in this.
ted nugent
It's an absolute meditation.
It's out of body.
The ultimate arrow, like the ultimate guitar lick.
I suspect a comedian on stage, which I qualify, you can't be thinking of your routine.
It's got to flow.
I mean, I was in the presence of Sam Kinison for 50, 60 spontaneous performances, and Robin Williams at the Comedy Store, and Richard Pryor.
Remember I mentioned a moment ago I've been on the mountaintop with Bill Straub and the Broncos, and Parnelli Jones taught me to race.
I played bass for Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley.
I mean, I married Mrs. Nugent.
I mean, I've been to the peak of...
Peaks available to mankind.
I hunted with Fred fucking Bear.
joe rogan
When did you do that?
ted nugent
How old were you?
I was five or six.
I met him.
He started the brand new archery shop in Grayling, Michigan.
My dad was already a follower before I was born.
joe rogan
Explain to people who he is.
ted nugent
Fred Bear.
joe rogan
People who are uninitiated.
ted nugent
Powerful story.
joe rogan
He's like the Richard Pryor of archery.
ted nugent
Yes!
I was expecting his afro to catch fire any moment.
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It was awesome!
ted nugent
So I'm already into bows and arrows.
I didn't know who Fred Berry was.
I really was just getting, you know, baptized by the Chuck Berry bow diddly electronic guitar orgy.
And in that late 40s, early 50s, it was a firestorm of defiance and rebellion musically manifested.
But Roy Weatherby was going beyond the 30-30, which everybody used for deer hunting, and it was a good 100-yard, and if a real marksman, real zen marksman could shoot a 30-30, 200-plus yards, whether open sights or scope.
And marksmanship and sniper discipline was a powerful force in a hunting family, and in all families, every family I knew, we all shot every weekend, Pistols, shotguns, rifles,.22s, hunting woodchucks in Freiburg, Pennsylvania, with the Targetmaster Remington single-shot bolt.22, .22 shorts, 25 cents a box at the dry goods store.
It's awesome!
And my dad taught me to shoot them in the eye.
Aim small, miss small.
Breathe, sight acquisition, you have a responsibility to kill that animal outright.
If you're going to utilize that precious gift of flesh and fur, body fluids and bone, You better kill him clean because you're a reasoning predator.
You have a moral, intellectual, and spiritual obligation to kill your dinner humanely and cleanly.
Duh.
And so that marksmanship routine was developing with ballistic, Ted Nugent ballistically maximized firepower.
Is that what that stands for?
joe rogan
I thought it said bad motherfucker.
ted nugent
You know, that has a ring to it.
Maybe that's what it could...
All right.
So, Fred Bear.
So, Roy Weatherby was extending long-range marksmanship and developing the famous Weatherby Magnums with more powder, more efficient burning powder, better primers, better-designed ballistic bullets that would cut air better and go flatter longer, better trajectory and velocity.
And so it was fun to shoot that deer or a bullseye at 100 yards.
That takes a lot of trigger control and discipline.
But now Roy Weatherby was creating Weatherby Magnums.
The 300 Weatherby Magnums shot a 180-grain bullet at 32, 3400 feet a second, which was unheard of.
And so you could aim small, miss small.
And if you really got that really intricate, meticulous, triggered smoothness, you could shoot 1,000 yards once you learned the trajectory of your However, 1911, the last of the Yanni Indians, Ishii, was discovered in Oroville.
I can't believe I remember all this.
In Oroville, California, Northern California.
And there was a bounty on Indians back then.
You could shoot a man Indian and get 25 bucks.
joe rogan
In 1911?
ted nugent
Yep.
They had bounties on them.
And instead of shooting this Yanni, this last Indian, they called the local sheriff and they took Ishii into custody and they called some scientists and palanteologists from California University by the name of Saxton Pope.
And Saxton Pope came and studied Ishii as an Aboriginal.
joe rogan
Saxton Pope of Pope and Young?
ted nugent
That's right.
And then he contacted his buddy, Art Young.
Who also studied in that genre.
And they discovered Ishii and they were fascinated by his stealthy awareness of the wilderness and his archery control with his funny little style of shooting the bow with his thumb and getting close and doing ice cold river bathing before the hunt to cleanse himself to be worthy of the beast.
So Fred Bear witnessed the film that Pope and Young eventually made of them becoming consumed with the mystical flight of the arrow.
Now, this was in the 20s and 30s, and they put a newsreel out and went all over the country and showed this newsreel of hunting with the bow and arrow by Saxon Pope and Art Young.
Shooting grizzly bears in Yosemite and going to Africa, filling lines full of arrows.
They weren't really as good as these sheep, so they'd fling a lot of arrows.
And these animals were pretty relaxed, almost tame, because they'd never been hunted like that before.
And so Fred Bear come from Pennsylvania around that time to work at the FOMO company building cabinets for the new radio they just invented and the wood dashboards for the Ford Motor Company.
And he was also making bows.
Handmade U-wood and Osage orange bows in his little archery shop with Nels Grumley.
I can't believe I remember Nels Grumley, one of the greatest boyers of all time.
So my dad Got the archery bug because Fred defied the trend of easier hunting, easier long range.
You didn't have to be very stealthy to shoot a deer at 500 yards.
They don't even know you're there.
All you have to do is be a disciplined marksman, which is a discipline and a great accomplishment unto itself.
And it was a new challenge for long-range ballistic capability.
Well, Pope and Young and a handful, Fred Baer and Nels Grumley, went and saw this newsreel of these guys, these doctors, these professors, hunting all over the world with these handmade bows.
And Fred was already into it.
And he goes, I'll be damned.
I didn't realize you could do that.
And so now people, after seeing the Pope and Young newsreel, started asking Fred to make bows, and it spread.
So he started the Bear Archery Company.
Late 20s, early 30s.
And he moved to Grayling up in the northern part of Michigan where the wilderness was and they had cut down all the trees so there was this new growth of ideal wildlife habitat.
Because not many animals can live in an old-growth forest, an owl or two, but you need low-level animals.
Escape sanctuary and browse that the animals can access.
And so Fred was now promoting archery in Michigan, won all the National Field Archery Championships along with Ann Marston.
It's awesome.
And so my dad was a follower because he'd come back from World War II, and he needed that escape.
He needed that cleansing to get away from that horror, which is why they never talked about it.
And so we'd go up north every year, October 1st, the Nugent family and the Ford station wagon, and I had my little bow and arrow with the suction cups, and I'd shoot stuffed animals off the couch.
But my dad would walk the woods with his real bow, and we'd stop at this little brick shack that said, Bear Archery, and I had no idea.
And so I was already into bows and arrows, shooting all the time.
I was obsessed.
I was on down the river every day.
No baseball, no football, no hockey.
Bows and arrows, bows and arrows, critters.
I think I had the Songbird World Slam by the time I was eight.
And so now I'm meeting this tall, lanky gentleman named Fred Bear.
He didn't register with me until I started seeing him on the cover of True Magazine and Sporting Magazines and Life Magazine with a grizzly bear and an elephant and a tiger and a lion in the newsreels.
And I'm going, I'm shooting river rats, which is so thrilling, I can't even describe it.
And here's this long, lanky, tall, lanky guy that was building bows in this rustic shop in northern Michigan on my way to my favorite thing in life, October 1st opening day of archery season, as a 6-, 7-, 8-year-old boy.
And we'd have chocolate milk and cherry pie with this Fred Bear guy.
Now it's registering.
This is the Chuck Berry of bow hunting.
This is it.
This is the guy.
So I became enamored with him, and he was kind to me, and he'd show me stuff, but I got to hang out with him as I grew.
By the time I was 16, we moved to Chicago because my dad got transferred, but I got to visit with Fred Bear at least every other October.
Never hunted with him, and now I started Amboy Dukes.
I'd already had a great band, won the Battle of the Bands in Michigan with the Lures.
We opened up for the Supremes and the Bo Brummel's at Cobble Hall.
Wow!
And so now I'm in Chicago, shooting my bow and arrow all the time, started at Amboy Dukes, playing like a madman, graduated in 67, went back to Michigan two years later, and immediately went up to Grayling, where now there's this huge cathedral, bear archery, and Fred Bear is like the dude!
He's like the sporting dude, because he taught the long-range marksman that there's an intimacy.
There's a better learning process and a more important lesson to not kill the animal, but to understand your relationship with the animal and to try to use those God-given gifts I mentioned a moment ago to penetrate the otherwise impenetrable defense system of game, because they are sneaky, elusive, crafty.
God made them to get away from guitar players with sharp sticks.
And so, this caught on because people go, you know, I kill my deer every year with my 30-30, now with the 30-06 and Roy Weatherby, long range.
I wonder if I'm a badass enough to get close to a deer with a bow and arrow.
So it caught on like wildfire.
And they made the first, Fred got the first legal season in Michigan at the Allegan State Park on November 1st, 1947, where George Nichols, my buddy, got the first legal buck in Michigan with a bow and arrow on that morning.
And so I knew these are the guys I hang with.
These are the founders.
I was at the Concord Bridge of Archery.
And so Fred embraced me, and he was real suspicious of the long-haired, hippie-looking, rockin' maniac, Motor City Madman.
But all of his friends went, no, no, he's not into drugs.
In fact, he's anti-drug, and he's always promoting archery.
I shot my bow and arrow on stage.
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Forever.
ted nugent
I'd shoot flaming arrows at skulls and a big illegal, I think it was a felony, a big turkey vulture.
I had stuff, but it looked great backlit, you know, and I'd shoot that fucker off the amps at night and people didn't know whether to shit or go blind.
There's this wild man screaming the bird lance, making all this outrageous racket.
I come out with a bow and arrow and a flaming arrow and blow up a turkey vulture.
What more do you want?
And so Fred looked past the insanity of the fear factor of rock and roll, and he finally admitted to me, he said, every sporting goods show I go to, Ted, All the young people, anybody under 30, all they want to know is if I know Ted Nugent.
Because that was the first time they ever saw a bow and arrow.
And they do my interviews about the spirit, the cleansing of escaping the insanity of whatever your job description might be.
Mine being maniacal rock and roll.
I need to shut the fuck up.
Take a deep breath.
Get my bow and arrow.
Let my guitars breed.
Head back to the woods.
And live.
And remember who I am and what I'm here for.
And I never killed a deer.
I was just a little too uppity.
And we didn't know what we were doing back then.
joe rogan
You were too uppity?
ted nugent
You think?
joe rogan
What do you mean?
ted nugent
I just...
I'm high energy.
joe rogan
So you're too loud.
ted nugent
I wasn't the stealthy.
I don't know about too loud.
I mean, I could walk.
I learned from Fred.
I learned to walk toe first, and I learned to go around anything instead of stepping over and to stay in the shadows.
So I knew the maneuvers.
But coming out of a tour and playing 350 nights a year, and then you get a couple days off during November, and you get the bow and arrow, it's hard to go from that to...
joe rogan
Total silence.
ted nugent
This.
But you know what, Joe?
joe rogan
What?
ted nugent
I've mastered it.
joe rogan
Well, I know you have.
ted nugent
Finally.
I mean, I did by the 60s.
joe rogan
You've been doing it for a long time.
ted nugent
By the 60s, I don't know about mastered.
You'll never master it, but I've mastered the transition.
What do you say?
joe rogan
What do you say when people, like, one of the arguments about hunting that people bring up is, why would you use a bow and arrow?
A bow and arrow is not as effective.
If you wanted to kill something, you should use a gun.
There's people that don't hunt that think that hunting should only be one thing, and it should only be killing the animal for meat.
Whereas, I think that someone who hunts definitely kills the animal from meat, but there's more to the whole thing.
ted nugent
Have you ever seen me expound on that fun, sport, meat trophy?
You can't hunt without having fun, or you won't do it.
It's fun to challenge yourself.
It's fun to get up in the dark.
joe rogan
Some people have a problem with that word, right?
ted nugent
Well, they can kiss my ass.
If it wasn't fun, none of us would do it.
joe rogan
I understand your take on it, they can kiss your ass, but...
It means something to you.
It's not as simple as like, fuck you, this is just how I'm going to do it.
ted nugent
Oh, it's deep, deep fun.
Is being the greatest basketball three-point shooter, isn't that fun?
joe rogan
It must be.
ted nugent
Discipline.
But it's always fun, because it's invigorating.
joe rogan
Right, and the bow hunting is more invigorating.
ted nugent
Because it's so difficult.
It's borderline impossible.
Fun, sport.
Well, I don't think sport hunting is good.
You shouldn't have sport.
How can you hunt without sport?
joe rogan
Don't you think that there's just too many of these words are poisoned?
There's like trophy hunting.
ted nugent
You can't hunt without a trophy.
You know what I have on my wall in my northern cabin?
You already are inclined to love me, but now you're going for it.
You're going to buttfuck me right here on the show.
joe rogan
Whoa, that's not love.
ted nugent
Well, it's metaphorically speaking.
That is for some of my buddies.
Anyhow, so on the wall of my cabin in northern Michigan, Is my first kill November 15th, 1969 with my dad's pre-'64 Model 7. It's a button buck.
Did you hear the story?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
And I took it to the taxidermist, and I said, I want this mount.
And he said, you're going to mount this?
joe rogan
And I go, yeah, it's a buck.
ted nugent
Button buck is a fawn of the year.
It has little buttons on its forehead, which is a legal deer with a doe tag, and I had that here.
And I said, it's a buck.
Feel.
You have to feel on the head to make sure it is a buck, because it's such a little guy.
And it's a legal deer, and it's a delicious deer.
The deer of the year is a fawn.
That's why we have this hunting season in the fall, because now they're independent.
They're not They've been weaned.
They're independent animals.
In fact, the button bucks, their asses get kicked by their mother to throw them out of the herd to get the hell out of the way for more breeding, which is what I do.
And so I have that button buck mounted.
Well, who's going to tell me that's not a trophy?
The experiences, the memories, the clothes, the bullets, the day, the sunrise, the crows, the sandhill cranes, the birds.
The movement.
The anticipation.
And I got back straps.
I had fun.
Ultimate discipline challenge sport.
Ultimate meat.
Ultimate protein.
The purest, most organic before it was even hip.
And if you could, I dare you to tell me that button buck is not a trophy.
I have woodchucks mounted.
I shot a woodchuck in the eye with my grandson.
I have squirrels mounted.
It's always a trophy.
joe rogan
You mounted a squirrel?
ted nugent
Sure.
I'm the squirrel czar.
You know, when you first start out and you kill that first squirrel, that's exciting stuff.
It's all fun.
joe rogan
Where would you put a squirrel that you mounted?
ted nugent
On a limb in the cabin.
Along with Rocco, my son out here, his first wood duck that he got with much effort.
And we have that wood duck mounted.
There's a love affair with our instinctual stewardship duties to the wildlife to harvest the surplus to make room for next spring's productivity because there's going to be more animals, but there's not going to be more habitat.
Hence, sustain-yield, successful wildlife management model that is so perfect, it defies criticism, unless you're a lying sack of shit.
joe rogan
Have you ever had to have a reasonable conversation with someone who's anti-hunting?
Have you ever sat down?
Often!
ted nugent
Often!
And to the man and woman, and I mean adamant, vegan, until I explain to them, well...
joe rogan
Vegan, I like that.
Vegan.
ted nugent
Vegan, whatever it is.
joe rogan
Vegan, vegan.
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I can't even pronounce it, much less figure it out.
ted nugent
So stupid.
By the way, my son Rocco, who I love beyond description, vegan.
joe rogan
No.
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He looks like he needs to eat more.
ted nugent
When he's asleep, I try to shove a backstrap up his ass, but he's got more muscles than I do.
Anyhow, my point is that...
joe rogan
How did he become vegan?
ted nugent
He has a great hunter.
He doesn't like to hunt anymore.
He's decided not to.
He's killed great deer, great hogs.
joe rogan
I've seen him on your TV show.
ted nugent
Ducks, yeah.
He's a great hunter.
But he decided he does not want to take part in the harvest.
I respect it completely.
Good for you.
If you really want to kill the most things...
Be a vegan.
Because the farmers who protect your beans kill everything.
I kill one animal per arrow.
In order to grow tofu, you have to kill every ground squirrel, every vole, every shrew, every snake, every turtle, every frog, every bird, every rabbit.
Anything that gets in that bean field, I'm either going to plow and dismember, which is why the crows and the seagulls follow the combines every year, And then if anything does survive my first slaughter, I'm going to come in with Mansanto and poison the shit out of everything so you can have a tofu salad and not be responsible for any death.
Fuck you.
joe rogan
That's a really good point, and it's a point that a lot of people ignore.
ted nugent
And avoid, because it's uncomfortable.
Isn't life full of uncomforting things?
And you shouldn't be uncomfortable.
To kill game, to feed mankind, is...
Perfect to kill cows and pigs to feed mankind.
The system is often less than perfect, but until someone comes up with a better system, I salute and genuflect at the altar of farmers and ranchers and people who kill animals to sustain my fellow man.
joe rogan
I agree with you.
I think you and I would probably both disagree with factory farming when you see animals stuffed in the cages.
ted nugent
But we have to come up with a better system.
I kill a lot of deer and I feed more people than any Any hunter ever?
I kill so much game every year, because I have to.
I don't hire sharpshooters.
I kill the animals on my beautiful swamp in Michigan, on my Texas property, that have to die.
They have to get out of there to make room for the next year's fawns.
So soup kitchens, homeless, I literally give tons.
Tons!
And I'm a sweetheart, but I'm not an idiot.
I keep the back straps.
But I give tons of venison to soup kitchens and homeless shelters and veterans.
We make jerky and send it over to the troops overseas.
I mean, I have to adjust my halo just to get in the room.
So what I do is literally perfect.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is what you do, everybody can't do.
Like, everybody's not going to have your kind of land.
ted nugent
More people could, though.
joe rogan
More people could.
ted nugent
Yes.
joe rogan
Well, you definitely, I know the Hunters for the Hungry distribute a ton of meat.
ted nugent
250 million, Joe!
250 million meals every year of venison.
And there are people that would ban that?
Shame on you!
joe rogan
Well, I just think there's a lot of films and a lot of documentaries that portray veganism as being this perfect way of living that doesn't have any death or any habitat loss associated with it.
And then they look at the extreme of meat eating, which is the worst aspects of it.
Factory farming, some of these disgusting pig farms and chicken farms.
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Oh, disgusting.
joe rogan
Horrible.
Horrifying.
ted nugent
And the upgrade goes on because more alarms have been sounded.
Not by PAID and not by the Humane Society of the United States.
They're just scam artists.
By people who are coming to realize that we do not only have a responsibility to kill critters to feed mankind...
But it can be done in an environmentally beneficial way.
I mean, if you watch my great late friend Anthony Bourdain on his shows and Andrew Zimmern on the Travel Channel, you watch their shows and the emphasis on environmentally friendly productivity, more and more organic farming.
More and more conscientious waste dispersal, whether it's, you know, pig guts and they re-utilize those, or in Las Vegas they get all this wasted food and they feed the pigs so it's good food going in, the pork tastes better.
So there is upgrade taking place.
And here's the ultimate inescapable fact of upgrade environmentalism.
When I was growing up, Joe, Lake Erie would catch fire because of the pollution.
It wasn't environmentalists or greenies that sounded the alarm.
It was the duck hunters that said, you're polluting this area so bad there's no ducks.
There's no wild salary.
There's no walleyes.
There's no fish.
There's no muskrats for the trappers.
Hunters, fishermen, and trappers have sounded the alarm more often than not about environmental irresponsibility.
And now Lake Erie that would spontaneously combust when I was growing up is now the number one walleye and smallmouth bass fishery in the world!
And we're still producing, we've still got the Industrial Revolution going on there, but conscientious, higher, responsible level of awareness is spreading like wildfire across the country.
And I believe that there's no mutual exclusivity whatsoever to productivity and environmental responsibility.
I believe that they both benefit each other.
And I've got so many unlimited examples where that worked, from farms.
I mean...
People who live downwind of a pig farm are going to be the biggest squawkers, rightly so.
And so I see a lot of upgrade going on.
More organic, more conscientious, less waste.
It's not as regular operating procedures as it should be, but I see upgrade.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
And I think that the thought process behind all these people that are upset about factory farming, people even that go vegan, the thought process behind it is in the right place.
I just think there's a lot of misguided energy there because they don't really understand where the food is coming from.
They don't understand large-scale agriculture.
And a lot of large-scale agriculture is to grow food to feed animals.
ted nugent
Essential, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's also wheat.
There's also a lot of grain that people consume, and that displaces thousands and thousands of acres of animals.
And the process is not a clean process.
It's not clean in terms of there's no death, there's no harm, it's cruelty-free.
ted nugent
That's crazy.
It's just not.
As if you can possibly go through a day without having blood on your hands.
Do you drive on the highways?
Does any of your sustenance come on the highways?
Because billions of animals are slaughtered on the highways every day.
And if you are on planet Earth, part of that blood is on your hands.
You've got to be—who doesn't know this?
Who's not willing to admit this?
But again, I see an upgrade in level of awareness and responsibility.
But the charge began in the hunting, fishing, and trapping community.
Where does quality air, soil, and water come from?
I'll go ahead and answer that.
Wildlife habitat.
joe rogan
Well, it's a lot of the people that are out there every day that really recognize it.
ted nugent
And more and more.
You know, I still get death threats because I murder innocent animals.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, I get those, too.
ted nugent
What the hell?
So it's just so absurd.
joe rogan
But I think their heart, like, really is in the right place.
They just don't know what they're talking about.
ted nugent
No, they're just haters.
joe rogan
There's a little bit of that, too.
ted nugent
How in 2018 do you not acknowledge barbecue?
How in 2018 do you not acknowledge there's a few dead turkeys on Thanksgiving?
You've got to be brain dead.
I think they're so consumed with hate that they fight.
Ignorance is acceptable.
I'm ignorant.
When I go to the Indy 500, I couldn't tune a Cogsworth.
I'm ignorant about Cogsworth.
Ignorance is acceptable because you can remedy it with knowledge and research.
Stupidity is when you guard your ignorance.
If you think that we're murdering innocent animals...
To feed our families with the purest protein available to mankind, balancing the herds with more deer, more elk, more bison, more turkeys, more waterfowl, more cougars, more bears than ever in recorded history except for the bison, but we're way back.
We have as many bison as we can sustain in North America.
A lot of the Native American tribes are desperate to get more harvested in an efficient and responsible manner.
So wildlife is thriving because hunters implemented regulations for sustained yield.
How many ducks can we kill?
How many will they reproduce?
Where is their habitat that determines their reproduction?
We must safeguard that.
Delta waterfowl, ducks unlimited.
But see, this information is universally available, but the fake news, academia, Hollywood, and half of our government is stone-cold obsessed with political correctness and denial.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
So I do what I do.
And our Spirit of the Wild show has been number one on Outdoor Channel.
Is this 29 years now?
Wow, I'm getting old.
Because we say it like it is.
We don't play around.
Fun sport meet trophy, sacred beast, prayer for the wild things, resource stewardship, conservation wise use, walk the wild ground before you comment on the wild ground.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, this is what I'm talking about.
When you were talking about that last Indian that they found, the guy who used to get into the river.
ted nugent
Study Ishii.
joe rogan
Okay, I will.
I'll write it down.
How do you spell it?
ted nugent
I-S-H-I. You have to learn.
I'm going to send you a bunch of stuff.
I'm going to get your contacts, and I'm going to send you stuff.
It will expand your horizons.
Like you didn't know was available.
The history of modern bowhunting at the hands of Fred Bear and Saxton Pope and Art Young and the families that wanted to get closer to game, not necessarily kill because 90% of the time you don't kill squat with a bow and arrow, but when you do, it's because you dedicate yourself to a higher reasoning level predator awareness And you put your gifts from God to the maximum efficiency.
And again, that's welding and carpentry.
But ultimately, you're going to kill something.
You better kill it clean.
And being human and failing overall to be perfect, you can be perfect.
And put that arrow, when you learn to read the wild...
Signals, the attitude, and the bird indicators when the deer's coming.
You use the light, the wind, the camo, stealthy movements, silence, and learn to time that shot.
My average deer dies in five seconds.
The top of the heart's taken off.
Both lungs are penetrated.
That deer falls asleep on his feet, and there's never been a beefsteak ever had it so good.
joe rogan
Also, there's a connection to what you're doing that's different than almost any other connection to food.
I mean, the only thing that's reasonably close and it's pretty far off is when you grow it yourself.
So if you grow your own vegetables, you've got a connection to that food.
Absolutely.
It's not the same connection as you get, especially if you send an arrow through an animal.
ted nugent
You're looking at its eyes.
joe rogan
You're looking at its eyes, but also you know how difficult it is.
And when you pull it off, there's this powerful connection between you and that animal.
You earn it.
And when you eat it, you feel that you earned it.
ted nugent
You get joy out of it.
When Anthony Bourdain came to my place, he was still a little squeamish with killing stuff, even though he ate dead stuff on every show and got his paycheck from eating dead stuff.
joe rogan
I hunted with him.
ted nugent
Yeah, did you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
He's a great man.
Terrible loss.
joe rogan
Terrible loss.
ted nugent
And we talked about it, and I shared my knowledge with him.
I don't have an opinion.
It's an animal.
It's dead.
You either revere it or you don't.
You either utilize it with respect or you pretend you didn't have anything to do with it.
It's dead.
You're eating it.
You should have been closer to the system.
And the hunters, fishermen, and trappers of this country still carry on the definitive physics of spirituality that the Native and Aboriginal peoples called the Great Spirit, hence the Spirit of the Wild, the prayer for the wild things.
joe rogan
But we're in a weird place, Ted, with cities, right?
ted nugent
But I was born and raised in Detroit!
joe rogan
You were, yeah, but I mean, you got lucky in that your father was interested in bow hunting and that it gave him an escape, which, by the way, it gives a lot of veterans today.
A lot of veterans and good friends of mine are finding great relief in bow hunting as a discipline after combat life.
unidentified
Yep.
ted nugent
You're talking to a guy that's shared many campfires with those guys.
They were there last night.
joe rogan
It's a great transition for them.
ted nugent
It's consuming.
Fred Bear coined the phrase, and I use it all the time, it cleanses the soul.
When you leave the pavement, when I leave the pavement, and I make that transition from modern concrete jungle hand-to-hand combat City guy, because that's where my rock and roll career is the ultimate.
And you take that deep breath, you literally go back to the year one.
I know there's a highway nearby, and I know I can hear trucks off in the distance and the train whistle, which is kind of titillated unto itself.
But when I get in my swamp in Michigan or my woods in Texas, to quote Jimi Hendrix, ain't no life nowhere.
I am...
The aborigine.
It's me, my resources, and the beast.
And it's a religious experience.
It's the spirit.
Natives call it the great spirit.
They've considered the buffalo their brother.
And it is so consuming that I don't care what kind of stress.
You could be going through the ugliest divorce in the world, and I have.
You could be fighting against people who don't think that America should be first, and you don't need secure borders, and you don't need to earn your own way.
You're able-bodied, but you want somebody else's income.
You're just crazy shit.
And all of a sudden, I get out there, and I'm telling you, Joe, it's perfect.
I'm literally intoxicated.
I'm drunk.
I'm stoned trying to pick up all the signals.
And I do.
I do a pretty good job.
I've learned over the years because I need that so much to play my music like I play it that it cleanses my soul.
And I've been contacted since the 60s with vets who have gone through just absolute Torture in their military careers.
And when I get them at a campfire, and we go out and sit before the sun comes up, I can't tell you how many times they've cried, because it's good again.
It was a great morning.
I didn't have any stress.
Forgot all about that bullshit when I thought I heard the deer.
And when I saw the deer, it was Perfect.
So you've expressed that, and I thank you for that, because you're new to this sport.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
And for you to be an advocate and to articulate, you learned because you were already a mature man when you entered it.
I was a dirtball, mushy-brained kid.
But thank God I learned about that spirit.
I learned about the discipline.
I learned about stewardship callings and responsibility, of course, pounded by my dad.
God bless him.
And my brothers, my sister, we all are happy, healthy, successful, hard-working, funny, cocky, loving, giving people because of that discipline that revolved around My family hunting seasons.
joe rogan
Well, discipline is a big word.
That was one of the really important aspects of it, because I recognize the importance of discipline and always have, pretty much my whole life.
ted nugent
As a martial artist, especially.
joe rogan
Yeah, so I came into...
ted nugent
You were ahead of the curve, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, when I recognized it, I was like, oh, I know, this is a different thing.
This is not what everybody thinks it is.
This is a spiritual experience.
ted nugent
Yeah, and because you were around the masters, Cameron Haynes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
You had John Dudley on here.
joe rogan
Steve Rinella is the one who got me into it.
ted nugent
Steve, he's a Michigan boy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
Yeah, they were good mentors for you.
joe rogan
I got lucky.
ted nugent
You got past the mistaken, yet irresponsibly And dishonestly promoted aspect of the drunken hillbilly science shooter hunter.
joe rogan
Well, that stereotype is so ridiculous.
I mean, my friends, guys like Cameron Haynes, he's a goddamn ultramarathon runner.
I mean, that guy runs 240 miles in a week and then, you know, is on the mountains all fall long.
ted nugent
Bad mofo.
I'm glad he doesn't play guitar.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker across the board.
Yeah, he is.
But he's an incredibly disciplined guy.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
And this is, his life is, and he'll tell everybody, all that stuff that he does, all the working out, that's so he can be at his best in the mountains as a bowhunter.
ted nugent
Sure.
joe rogan
That he considers his true spiritual calling.
ted nugent
And I gotta tell you, you're sitting across from a guy, and I'm not bragging, I'm just kind of sharing.
joe rogan
You can brag.
ted nugent
You tell me legit.
joe rogan
You're allowed to brag a little bit.
ted nugent
Yeah, but it's a celebration that I have been humbled and blessed beyond description for To share campfires with more hunters than anybody you've ever met.
Because I've been donating hunts for years.
I started my Sunrise Safaris.
I guide hundreds of hunters every year.
I don't take them all out to their stand, but we all get together at my Michigan place, have 24 in a weekend, 20 in a weekend.
And it's a campfire get down with Uncle Ted playing guitar.
But we shoot our bows.
We shoot our guns.
We set things up.
A lot of them are newcomers.
I guide on my Spirit Wild Ranch in Texas.
I guide in New Brunswick in Ontario for bears.
joe rogan
Did you get Kid Rock into bow hunting?
ted nugent
Yes, I did.
I did.
That's a great story, too.
joe rogan
Has he hunted yet?
ted nugent
Well, remember that discipline word we were talking about?
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't have that yet.
ted nugent
He's working on that.
But his girlfriend is a killer.
Really?
She is a killer, gorgeous gal.
But Audrey is a dangerous bull-hunting woman.
I mean, she's always killing stuff.
unidentified
It's awesome.
ted nugent
She's addicted.
I get peace from her all the time and never from Bob.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
ted nugent
She's awesome.
I'll start sharing that stuff with you.
I'll turn you on to a higher level of appreciation of fine-ass women with a sharp stick.
This gal, between my wife, Shemaine, and Audrey, I'm telling you, yeah!
But anyhow...
The guys that you've hunted with, you're talking about great human beings.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
Men of integrity and discipline and productivity and a drive to be in the asset column.
joe rogan
They're misunderstood because of movies.
ted nugent
Very rarely.
I was about to say, I share campfires.
With lots of newcomers because they see this rock and roll guy that they love the music and we share the appreciation for my American rhythm and blues rock and roll jihad.
And so they want to try hunting and they come to buy a hunt with me.
Or they make a donation for a military or children's charity and they've never hunted and I tell them what to buy and they show up and it's Natty Bumpo, man.
You know who Natty Bumpo was?
joe rogan
No.
ted nugent
I need to get into that.
Anyhow.
joe rogan
Should I write that down too?
ted nugent
How do you spell it?
No, I'm going to send it to you.
James Fenimore Cooper.
He was a character in his Last of the Mohicans.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
ted nugent
He's a new hunter.
Natty Bumbo.
He's like a novice, a rookie.
Anyhow, I get a lot of these people.
And you know, I've never met anybody at any of my campfires that wasn't honest.
That wasn't friendly, wasn't successful to some degree, whether it's a teacher on a teacher's salary, successful.
They're a teacher.
That's successful.
Who care deeply about the wildlife and the wild grounds.
So when you hear about, well, that drunken bomb's just shooting everything.
Well, nobody's spent more time with more hunters than I have.
I've never seen that.
Never even seen it.
joe rogan
I know it exists.
ted nugent
I know it exists.
joe rogan
It's sad that they exist.
ted nugent
Sort of priests that buttfuck kids.
unidentified
Right.
ted nugent
You know, but that's not the priesthood.
joe rogan
Right.
ted nugent
I hope.
So there's always going to be aberrant, dipshit, demonic behavior by our fellow man somewhere, somehow.
But it is so rare in the hunting world...
That I, again, that's all I do, seven months a year is hunt.
joe rogan
Well, I haven't hunted as much as you, but I've been around a lot of great people.
ted nugent
Great people.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
And it goes right back to Fred Bear, which is the start off of our dialogue here.
Great man.
We hunted until 1987 together in October, and he was on oxygen, then he passed away.
Have you ever heard the song?
joe rogan
Yeah, I have heard your Fred Bear song.
ted nugent
And then that song happened.
With a life of its own because of my love and admiration for the man and what he represented.
joe rogan
Someone like that that just carries that torch further than everyone.
Those people are so important.
ted nugent
At a time where there was no indication that you might have to.
The animal rights thing hadn't really started meaningfully yet.
Political correctness wasn't even coined.
There was no fake news.
There was the beginning of the attack on hunting from ignorant, citified people that somehow believed that their food didn't die or they're not responsible for any death.
And so they would play the holier-than-thou dishonesty move by attacking those of us that actually took part in the process of feeding our families.
And Fred was such a gentleman and he was so clever and he so efficiently promoted the challenge and the intimacy of man and wild connection that he will live in infamy.
Everybody in the hunting world knows that he was a force to reckon with, and he's always there.
And as the song says, in the wind, he's still alive.
And it's powerful medicine.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of people know of him because of you.
ted nugent
Yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of people do.
ted nugent
More people have learned about Fred from me than from the archery industry, yeah.
joe rogan
Do you, this conversation, you've been having this conversation about hunting forever.
I mean, I've heard a lot of these things that you're saying today before from you.
Does this, do you ever get tired of being this evangelist?
ted nugent
No, not at all.
I love it so much.
And the other side is so dishonest that I know I make inroads.
You go to my Facebook, I have millions.
joe rogan
Do you think they're dishonest or you think they're ignorant?
ted nugent
No.
They know that there's going to be new fawns next year, but there's not going to be any new ground.
They know this.
They know that venison is good food.
joe rogan
Right, but they don't think of it that way.
ted nugent
Well, they don't think of it as suffering.
That's why I continue to do this, because I caused them to think.
I can tell you thousands of examples since the 60s where people thought I was a coward for murdering innocent animals that can't shoot back.
I mean, what does that sentence even mean?
What do you mean they can't shoot back?
They don't have trigger fingers, you jerk!
So I have taken this on, and you notice that I smiled throughout that whole thing.
I don't get angry.
So I know that by continuing to promote in the absence of any education in our education system, in fact, it's the opposite.
Animal rights gets more time in our education system, our anti-education system.
The media, lying sons of bitches.
Hollywood, goofy.
Half of the government, out to lunch.
So guys like you and me that know the truth, we should never give up because there is a scourge of political correctness and dishonesty.
And that's what political correctness is.
It's denial and dishonesty.
And I know we're making inroads.
You should see the bombardment I got.
Joe's a big hunter now.
He's really a fighter.
He speaks cleverly.
He speaks accurately and passionately about it.
Hallelujah!
There's a bunch of us out there.
With the advent of the Outdoor Channel and Sportsman's Channel, the Pursuit Network, more and more people are getting...
You know wind of what we're doing.
joe rogan
I think a lot of it from the internet too.
ted nugent
And the monster communication power.
joe rogan
I think people understand that there's more to it than they thought and if they're willing to just look a little bit further.
Look a little bit further they realize like well especially western hunting these guys are running hills and they're backpacking with heavy weights on their back discipline for hours and hours every day just to build up their endurance so they can hike out with meat.
These Western hunters, man, that are going out and bowhunting elk and then packing them out by themselves over the course of five days.
ted nugent
Incredible job.
I went to Alaska the first time when I was 20-something.
I guess I must have been 28. My first Alaska trip, 77. I was out there for two weeks in a soggy, wet, nasty, cold tent.
A little pup tent with George Fairbear.
And I got a giant caribou, a great black bear, and a big old moose.
And boy, humping them quarters in that...
That tundra.
I thought I was a Superman athletic amplifier jumping rock and roll sinew muscle boy.
I got my ass kicked!
joe rogan
Carrying a moose shoulder.
ted nugent
Oh, man.
150 pounds.
Just one big moose shoulder.
joe rogan
When you see one in real life, it's hard to believe that that's a real animal.
ted nugent
And that goes back to what you said earlier, that when you dine on that, and you put that effort forth, and you spent all those days skunked and wet and cold and nasty, enjoying it for what it was, But there's also a pain in the ass.
You can't wait to get back to someplace with a wood burner.
But when you've packed it out yourself, when you take that sacred flesh off that grill, before you even finish the first knife slice, all those memories, and it just tastes better.
And it really does taste better.
But with that effort, it is a spiritual moment that this, like the natives say, you don't kill the animal, you accept the gift if you put your heart and soul into your reasoning predatorship.
And that's always been my mantra.
And my kids are all raised on venison.
We just don't buy meat.
It's all we eat is the stuff we kill.
Pheasants and quail and doves and woodcock and grouse and rabbits and squirrels and ducks and geese and gullenules and snipe and beavers and deer and elk and antelope and bear and cougar.
It's the greatest food in the world.
I'm 70 years old and I'm forced to reckon with because of my disciplined diet of the ultimate rocket fuel available on planet Earth.
joe rogan
You really do look good.
For 70?
You look fucking fantastic.
ted nugent
If I had some sleep, I'd be downright handsome.
joe rogan
But you think about the average person that's been eating the average American diet for 70 years.
By the time they're your age, they're deteriorating rapidly.
ted nugent
The poison, the fructose, the The chemicals, the preservatives.
Oh my God.
Here's, if I may, on the Joe Rogan podcast.
joe rogan
Please do.
ted nugent
My friends, get rid of the goddamn sugar.
joe rogan
Thank you.
ted nugent
If you can't pronounce it on the package, do not buy it.
Do not feed your children high fructose products.
Poisoning.
My God, people.
Get the poisons out of your blubberish lives.
Good food is so simple.
Catch a fish or buy a fish.
Buy some fresh or grow some fresh vegetables.
Put real butter and use the real fat.
Don't take the skin off the chicken.
That's where all the good fat is.
That's where all the flavor is.
And eat real food.
Well, we can't afford that.
No, you can't afford not to!
Everything that says diet on it or no sugar is poison.
That's not my opinion.
It's a chemical reality.
And when you attempt to digest fructose and preservatives, your body goes, I don't recognize this bullshit!
We can't process this!
And it turns into blubber.
And here's a little update.
Blubber is for sperm whales, not people.
If you have to lift up slabs to dry off after the shower, your diet sucks.
joe rogan
I saw you in an interview once a long time ago.
It was before I started watching your show.
ted nugent
I've done a bunch, haven't I? I know you have.
joe rogan
But when I saw you, I was like, how does this guy have so much fucking energy?
I remember thinking that.
I'm like, this guy's so fired up.
And then you started talking about your diet.
You started talking about, you said, all I eat is venison.
You start going off about backstraps.
And then I started thinking, like, think about the dark red meat of wild game.
ted nugent
And this is before you became a hunter, right?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Quite a few years before.
I... I flirted with it for several years.
ted nugent
Can't be flirted with.
joe rogan
I didn't have anybody to take me.
ted nugent
Got a swan dive into it.
joe rogan
I got lucky.
Steve Rinella took me on his show.
ted nugent
I know Steve doesn't like me, but he's really, really good.
joe rogan
Why say he doesn't like you?
ted nugent
Huh?
joe rogan
Why say he doesn't like you?
ted nugent
I've heard comments with his attacking me for the whack-em and stack-em because it would be much better if I just butchered them and slaughtered them because semantics is so important.
joe rogan
Oh, the way you phrase things?
Whack them and stack them?
ted nugent
Yeah, it's fun.
I'm whacking, I'm stacking.
I got 12 bluegills.
That's a stack.
Shut the fuck up.
joe rogan
Well, do people think that your outrageous behavior is somehow detrimental to the movement of acceptance?
ted nugent
Stupid people do.
But the people who come and join the sport because of my exuberance don't.
I would say that, God bless Steve Rinella, and God bless Cameron and all those guys, I revere them.
They're masters of their craft.
I have caused more young people to become hunters than all other forces in the world.
Case closed.
Because I'm having so much fucking fun.
They go, hey!
This guy's out of control!
Bows and arrows?
Let's get a bow and arrow and go kill something!
They absolutely come to it because of the fun.
Then they hear about the discipline, and they hear about the quality diet, and they hear about the spiritual trophy, whether antlers or not, that has guided my passionate life and manifests itself in these killer songs and killer guitar licks and outrageous fire-breathing concerts.
And they go, fuck, I can do that.
And so they get a bow and arrow, they get a shock, and they start hunting.
Go to my Facebook, I don't know if it's millions, but thousands and thousands of young people that would be inclined to be anti-hunting are now gung-ho hunters because Uncle Ted is having so much fun because I whacked them and stacked them.
joe rogan
Well, congratulations with that.
Yeah, the thing is that they don't get...
When they hear your enthusiasm, then they go, okay, well, I haven't had this perspective before.
The perspective on hunting that I've gotten before is that these are cruel assholes that go out there and shoot animals and they don't care.
ted nugent
Or worse, or worse, Joe, my critics, and I won't mention any names, but you know...
When they're on their hunting TV shows and they're so ultra-cautious not to ruffle any feathers, they kind of come off like Mr. Rogers with a Lawrence Welk soundtrack, and young people think you're a fucking asshole if that's all you've got.
And if hunting is that boring, I think I'll just smoke some dope and go, you know, cruising tonight.
Which I know you like to smoke your dope and go nuts.
joe rogan
Cops call it dope.
ted nugent
What do you call it?
unidentified
Marijuana.
ted nugent
Well, I'm a cop.
joe rogan
Yeah, there you go.
ted nugent
Well, but I got buddies and I'm not going to condemn you for that.
I just don't think that Comfortably Numb is the way to go.
In fact, I have a song.
Well, you want to know a better song?
It's on my new record.
It's called Uncomfortably Dumb.
And my point is, are you a father?
joe rogan
Yes.
ted nugent
You want your babysitter high?
joe rogan
No.
ted nugent
How about your doctor?
joe rogan
No, but I don't want my babysitter sleeping either.
ted nugent
You don't want her what?
joe rogan
Sleeping.
I want them paying attention.
You know what I'm saying?
So that doesn't mean that you shouldn't get high ever.
It just means you shouldn't get high when you're watching kids.
ted nugent
Damn right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
Or when you're flying my plane.
I agree with that, too.
joe rogan
You should be compromised when you're doing anything delicate.
ted nugent
You know, the only guy I want high?
joe rogan
Who?
ted nugent
My comedians.
unidentified
Ah.
joe rogan
It helps.
It's like steroids for comedy.
ted nugent
I was there with Richard Pryor and Robin Williams and Sam Kinison.
God knows.
Go ahead and snort anything you got, motherfucker, because I need to laugh till I shit.
joe rogan
It's hard to come up with that shit sober.
ted nugent
I do every night.
I'm a funny son of a bitch.
You gotta come see my show.
joe rogan
I want to.
ted nugent
I have so much fun on stage, it's stupid.
joe rogan
I think the perceptions about pot are very similar to the perceptions about...
There's a lot of people that abuse pot.
They abuse alcohol, they abuse...
People abuse everything.
ted nugent
Sure.
joe rogan
Doesn't mean you can't use it responsibly.
ted nugent
I agree.
Unfortunately, in my 60 years of pursuing the Chuck Berry soundtrack of ultra James Brown tight music...
I have never seen anything but heartbreak from the drug use.
And I'm on a new council, by the way, working with President Trump to legalize medical marijuana nationwide.
So I want you to know that, and I'm all for that.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
ted nugent
I deal with a lot of terminally ill kids, and there's nothing that's off-limits to take away that suffering.
So I need to fight for that.
joe rogan
Well, it's great for people with epilepsy as well.
ted nugent
Absolutely.
joe rogan
For a lot of kids that have severe autism.
ted nugent
In fact, I got my bag out in the truck.
Some guy's making water with cannabis oil, with the CDB, is that part of it?
joe rogan
CBD? Yeah.
ted nugent
And he said it'll help me relax after my sonic bombast torture test on stage every night.
joe rogan
I'm sure it will.
ted nugent
Think I had to drink some of that shit?
joe rogan
Well, I know you've had some problems with your knees and stuff, too.
ted nugent
I have both new knees, and that was torture.
joe rogan
Did you get them replaced?
ted nugent
Both of them, yeah.
From jumping off all those amps.
I never heard the word meniscus until my doctor said I had none.
joe rogan
I have a tear in mine.
I just got stem cell shots in it yesterday.
ted nugent
Oh, pain in the ass.
joe rogan
I have a slight tear.
ted nugent
I have two brand new knees, and I ain't dancing like the 25-year-old Ted Nugent.
joe rogan
You're walking fine.
ted nugent
I'm doing fine.
joe rogan
I can still climb.
So you used to have a bad limp, right, from that?
ted nugent
Shuffle, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and now...
ted nugent
They were both gone.
joe rogan
Steve Tyler was here from Aerosmith.
ted nugent
Yeah, his is gone.
joe rogan
He's got a new one.
He's got one new one, and he's thinking about getting another one.
ted nugent
I had them both at the same time.
joe rogan
Yeah?
ted nugent
I'm a fool.
joe rogan
How long were you down for?
ted nugent
I was walking the next morning.
joe rogan
So what do they do exactly?
ted nugent
Well, they go and they cut your knee open and they get a hammer and a chisel and they pound out the old shit and put in some metal stuff.
It's actually available online.
You don't want to watch it if you're going to have it done.
It's brutal.
But I had a good surgeon and it came out good.
And the pain going on stage for so many years, certainly since the year 2000 with the damn Yankees even, What year did you get it done?
unidentified
2000...
ted nugent
What is this?
18 now?
12 maybe?
joe rogan
So 12 years of pain.
ted nugent
Yeah.
It was more than that.
Because I jumped off those fucking amplifiers.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
You just blew your knees out?
ted nugent
Oh my, what kind of dirtbag was I? Somebody should have said, you have meniscus!
You must save your meniscus!
joe rogan
You know Maynard Keenan, the lead singer of Tool?
ted nugent
Right.
joe rogan
He blew his hip out from just stomping on the ground while he was singing.
ted nugent
Because the music...
I have a new record called The Music Made Me Do It.
The music made him do it.
The music made Steve Tyler do it.
When you get up there, it is a world unto itself.
It is out of body.
It is a stream of consciousness.
You've got to be careful.
Because you think you're...
Invincible.
Invincible on that stage.
By the way, the movie Invincible that used Stranglehold, best use of my song ever.
joe rogan
Best use of your song ever was Randy Couture coming out to Stranglehold in the UFC. Yeah, you're probably right.
ted nugent
Yes, I remember that, yes.
And the Blackhawks in Chicago, every gigs for the 25, 30 years, they play Stranglehold.
joe rogan
He came out to Stranglehold when he beat Tim Sylvia for the UFC heavyweight title.
He's a severe underdog, and he came out, and the place went nuts.
When Stranglehold played...
ted nugent
Stranglehold says it all.
Here I come again now, baby, like a dog in heat.
joe rogan
It's just a great riff.
ted nugent
You tell us me by the clamor, baby, that I'd like to tear up the street.
I've been smoking for so long, I'm here to stay.
Got you in a Stranglehold, bitch.
Get the fuck out of my way.
Fucking awesome.
joe rogan
It's a love song.
ted nugent
It's a love song.
joe rogan
The connection between...
Rock and roll, guitarist, and bow hunting for most people is like a big stretch.
unidentified
Stretch.
joe rogan
It's like, how are those?
ted nugent
Different galaxies.
joe rogan
Yeah, different universes.
ted nugent
Except for the most important elements, and that is discipline.
joe rogan
Discipline, yeah.
ted nugent
The focus to create, and I've been so blessed beyond words to have the greatest musicians at my side for Ever.
For literally 60 years.
Right now I got Greg Smith on the bass guitar.
Just a god of thunder.
Greg Smith, the best.
Like a funk brother in heat.
And Jason Hartless, 23-year-old drummer from Detroit, is just an absolute...
Animal.
And every band from my Royal Highboys in the 50s to the Lourdes in the 60s and the Amboy Dukes and even the damn Yankees with Tommy and Jack and Michael, are you kidding me?
I've had literally the A-list of musicians at my side from Tommy Aldridge and Tommy Clefettos and Mick Brown on drums and Cliff Davies, are you kidding me?
Denny Carmasi, I mean the best drummers, the best bass players.
unidentified
I've just been the luckiest guitar player in the But it's a weird connection, right?
joe rogan
Like, most people don't think of rock and roll and bowhunting.
They're so far removed.
ted nugent
Well, when you think of Ted Nugent, you do.
joe rogan
But you're the only one.
ted nugent
But there I was, geographically, in Michigan, a firestorm of musical influence.
All the best musicians in the world, they'll tell you, come out of Detroit from Motown, Bob Seger, now Kid Rock, Eminem, and just killer, killer bands.
MC5, I got a great Wayne Kramer story.
He has a wonderful book coming out called The Hard Stuff.
You ever talk to Wayne?
You need to have Wayne Kramer on your show.
joe rogan
Actually, Kiss isn't from New York.
They're from New York.
From the MC5. But Detroit Rock City, I'm thinking of.
ted nugent
Yeah, I'm going to turn you on to Wayne Kramer.
He's got a good book about his tragic mistakes and near-death heroin prison dirtbag maneuvers.
But he's a great man, a musical authority.
And...
In the music of Detroit, and of course, 50s, Little Richard, how do you not get moved by Little Richard and Bo Diddley and Chuck Berry?
How are you not touched by that?
And then you see him on TV in the Ed Sullivan Show, and I don't care who you are, Stephen Tyler or Billy Joel or whoever, Elvis Presley and now the Stones and the Beatles.
Are you kidding me on...
And it's Ed Sullivan, and I had a guitar.
Plus, I'm in Michigan, and every kid was born, you got a Red Ryder Daisy BB gun, you had a Wham-O slingshot, and you had a little bow and arrow of sun kind.
I live right next to the Rouge River, so I was always down there, you know, chasing critters and building forts and crossing the river.
And the music and the bow hunting, music and the bow hunting, I met Fred Bear, I got these great musicians, the music and the bow hunting, music and the bow...
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
What a life!
What a dream!
What a firestorm of cravings and fulfillment of those cravings every day.
And here it is.
Last night was my 6,680th concert, and that goes all the way back to Sakop.
joe rogan
You've got them all...
ted nugent
Count it all the way back to the 1950s.
6,600.
joe rogan
Do you write them down?
ted nugent
No, I did for years.
I took out all the books and started adding them up.
But from my musical review with the Royal School of Music in 1958, and then with Joe Podorsik from the Capitol School of Music at the Detroit Fairgrounds, And then we started playing sock hops and pool parties and malt shops and everywhere, you know, basement parties.
I counted those.
Those are gigs.
And then when the Amboy Dukes started in 65, we'd do 300 concerts, plus 300 a year for many, many years.
And even with the damn Yankees in the early 90s, we did over 200 concerts a year.
So I added them all up, and last year was 6,679 in Okinawa for the U.S. Marine Corps.
joe rogan
Boom!
ted nugent
Pretty intense.
And then last night at the Coach House in San Juan Capistrano, 6,680.
Tonight is 6,681.
unidentified
Jesus.
ted nugent
Yeah, cool, huh?
That's why I look tired.
joe rogan
That's a lot of shows.
ted nugent
That's a lot of tree stand remedy.
joe rogan
How do you have the time?
Because I always figure out, I try to figure out how I have the time to do what I do, but I think you do more than I do.
ted nugent
I think we can both agree the greatest philosopher of all times was Dirty Harry, when he said a good man knows his limitations.
Back with the Amboy Dukes, we'd do over 300 concerts a year, and I was still craving my hunting, so I'd carve out a weekend in October and a weekend in November with my dad, and we'd get out there and hunt, but that wasn't enough.
joe rogan
What about practice time?
ted nugent
With the archery?
Yeah.
Bow and arrow on the road.
joe rogan
Do you take like a block target?
ted nugent
Absolutely.
unidentified
You bet.
joe rogan
Shoot in a parking lot somewhere?
ted nugent
Morrell targets for me.
joe rogan
Oh, morrell.
Someone's got a sponsor.
ted nugent
Sponsor you're damn right.
But no, I've shot my bow and arrow on stage for thousands of concerts.
unidentified
Right.
ted nugent
And then I always have it with me.
And I always have friends that have bows and arrows.
In fact, I wish I had brought it today because I could show you some of the zen of mystical flight of the arrow maneuvers.
I shoot a really lightweight bow, only 50 pounds.
joe rogan
Yeah, you shoot that new Matthews?
ted nugent
I shoot the new Tri-X Matthews, yeah.
They're all great.
There's not a bad bow out there.
joe rogan
Not anymore.
ted nugent
Awesome.
The competition is awesome.
So anybody listening, the most important thing, you can tell Joe and I love the Mystical Flight of the Arrow, go get you a bow and arrow.
joe rogan
Get to a bow shop.
ted nugent
Find a bow that fits you.
And make sure it's graceful enough.
Don't struggle when you're starting to.
It's got to come back mushy.
Archery is grace, not power.
And get that bow so it settles back here for hand-eye coordination, and you don't have to struggle.
People should start with a 25, 30-pound bow to get that archery thing going, preferably an old recurve or longbow if you can, and find out where you're pointing.
Where's that arrow going?
And you will be consumed with it.
joe rogan
Yeah, and find someone who can really teach you if you can.
ted nugent
Yeah, you have to have a mentor.
joe rogan
Yeah, because if you do it wrong and you start off with bad habits...
ted nugent
You get on the bad track, bad habits will plague you.
Then you'll get target panic.
joe rogan
Well, that's a problem with martial arts, too.
It's really important to start off with a good instructor.
If you learn things poorly first and then try to re-fix it, you're still kind of wired incorrectly.
ted nugent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's very difficult.
And archery as well, right?
ted nugent
That's why America's in trouble, because people are learning at schools.
joe rogan
Well, that's a really good analogy.
They're learning the wrong stuff.
I mean, it really is what's going on.
You know, you get taught that life is boring, droning, pay attention to the rules, stuck in a box.
ted nugent
Show me a graduate from the American anti-education system that can balance a checkbook.
joe rogan
Do people do that anymore?
ted nugent
Well, they ought to.
No, unfortunately they don't.
Hence the debt.
joe rogan
Checkbooks went the way of maps.
ted nugent
But you know what I mean.
Be pragmatic.
Be responsible.
Be accountable.
Be utilitarian.
Self-sufficiency.
Be the best that you can be.
Call your body the sacred temple that it's supposed to be.
Treat it with reverence.
Eat good.
Be good.
Be the best that you can be.
Be competitive.
Life isn't fair.
Get used to it.
If you want to excel in life, you show up earlier than the competition.
You work harder than the competition.
You do a better job than the competition.
You stay later than the competition.
You'll end up owning the damn company.
joe rogan
Yeah, and learning how to think.
Learning how to think and learning how to look at things.
It's something that's never taught in school and it's one of the most important lessons in your life.
And you learn that lesson, I think, through doing difficult things.
ted nugent
Absolutely.
joe rogan
I had a conversation about you once and someone was like, well, what do you think he's like?
I go, look, this is what you have to understand.
Forget about all the public shit.
He's awesome at two things that are really hard to be good at.
Guitar and bowhunting.
ted nugent
Very difficult.
joe rogan
They're both very difficult.
ted nugent
Disciplined.
joe rogan
You have to be an exceptional person.
ted nugent
Especially since you sound like such shit for so long in the guitar, there's no satisfaction whatsoever.
joe rogan
For how many years?
ted nugent
Took years.
I was the worst.
All my buddies learned faster than I did.
In fact, I just met up with Donnie Henderson.
He's probably listening right now.
And he was in a band called The Gang when I had a band called The Lures.
We kicked their ass and won the Battle of the Bands in Michigan when I was about...
13 or 14, and he and I are still friends, and I guess he's going to be 70 soon, too.
And he played all the Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley stuff perfect.
And I'm stumbling and making stupid noises, but you know what happened?
Because I couldn't figure out the exact licks, I created my own style.
And I started playing.
People thought I was being clever, right?
I just was doing them wrong!
But it still had a good rhythm.
joe rogan
It had a kind of cool sound to it.
ted nugent
Yeah, yeah.
Like John Coltrane meets, you know, a punk kid playing Bo Diddley Lake.
And so I developed my own style, and I've had a lot of fun with it.
joe rogan
But with all your...
The question is, though, with all your media, all the stuff that you do, you're constantly doing interviews and phone-in interviews.
You're constantly doing things.
How do you have time to do all this?
Still write music?
ted nugent
I have a great team.
You were talking about Linda getting a hold of your team.
Linda Peterson's been with me for 30 years.
Doug Banker's been my manager for over 30 years.
All my crew, Chris Helms and Jim Knapp and my sons and my daughters, My wife, Shemaine, is the goddess.
Have you ever seen Shemaine?
joe rogan
Sure.
ted nugent
God help me.
joe rogan
I've seen your show.
ted nugent
Oh, she's so good.
joe rogan
She's the queen of the forest.
ted nugent
She is the queen of the forest, full time.
Not a damn thing you can do about it.
And I have such a great team.
My crew on the road right now, I leave...
Nothing to chance.
I don't have to worry or think about a thing.
All I have to do is play my guitar and rock my balls off.
So I've always had a great team, professional, work ethic monsters that are conscientious, dedicated, professional, knowledgeable.
So there's no loose ends.
And that's how I'm able to do all that.
joe rogan
You're this, but you're also this really loud voice in the culture of war.
ted nugent
Have to be, yeah.
joe rogan
You have to be.
ted nugent
I refuse to let lies go unchallenged.
I refuse to let anti-logic go unchallenged.
joe rogan
Anti-logic like what?
ted nugent
Like, you don't need secure borders?
Really?
So the Democrats don't think we need to secure our borders?
And the Democrats don't admit there's a difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration?
Let me give you a little metaphor.
If you go to the bank and withdraw from your account, you're a legal banker.
If you go to the bank and withdraw from someone else's account, You're a bank robber.
There is a division there.
We're for legal banking.
We're not for illegal banking.
And this kind of anti-logic has weaseled its way into policy.
And it's just tragic with a multi-trillion dollar debt and unsecured borders.
And we're worried about separating families.
We fail to say, if you're going to come here, come legally or we will send you back.
We sent out a message.
Have at it.
Just go ahead and swim across the damn river.
joe rogan
Do you personally have a problem when they separate families?
ted nugent
Sure, I do.
I'm a father and a grandfather.
joe rogan
Beyond fucked up.
ted nugent
But the real fuck up starts with the insane irresponsibility of daring to subject your children to that.
joe rogan
I don't think they have any choice.
ted nugent
I think they do.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that are over there.
They're living in Mexico or Guatemala.
ted nugent
Because Mexico and Guatemala is one big gang-infested government, military, law enforcement shit.
It's a shithole.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
Yeah, and if you call it a shithole, I'm racist.
Well, if it wasn't a shithole, they would stay.
It is a shithole.
You ever been there?
joe rogan
Well, some of Mexico's awesome.
ted nugent
Yeah, some of Mexico hasn't been raped and pillaged yet, but give them time.
They'll make it.
Even in the big resorts, they're murdering and raping and...
We're brutalizing people.
I mean, it's just a hellhole.
joe rogan
There's definitely some bad things happening, and a lot of it is because of the drug war.
ted nugent
Out of control, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and a lot of people think that the remedy to that is legalizing drugs and taxing them.
Yeah, yeah, I would like to.
I mean, the same thing with prohibition.
The same thing that would happen in America.
We really boosted organized crime and Al Capone, and they got a stronghold because of the money they were making from illegal drugs, which is alcohol at the time.
ted nugent
I think that right now that the spoiled brat epidemic in this country, if you don't get everything you want and you start shooting people or you cut people off and road rage, if everything doesn't go just right, everybody is so touchy and so pussified that when I was growing up, sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt me.
joe rogan
What do you think that's coming from?
ted nugent
The liberalization of policy and the horrible lie of the welfare dream that people who need a helping hand Are always given a helping hand by neighbors and family and friends.
joe rogan
If they have them.
ted nugent
Yeah, well, the Catholic Church has $8 trillion just in jewelry.
They could probably provide some sandwiches and blankets.
So there's plenty of help available.
But when you get into a system and you play on the people's emotions that we need a safety net.
These poor people are destitute.
They need help.
Okay, let's create a welfare where we can help these destitute people.
Meanwhile, it's infested with scammers and bloodsuckers and liars who are able-bodied and they just don't want to stop at the help wanted sign.
They want some of your income because you're stupid enough to get up early and work really hard and they don't want to.
That's pandemic.
So meanwhile, the people who are truly needy They slip through the cracks.
We don't even get to know who they are.
And the liberal policy of eliminating the heartbreak and the disrespect of cuckoo's nest, we can't call them mental health centers.
We might hurt some feelings.
So now what are they doing?
They're putting spikes in boards and attacking people walking their dog in L.A. He said there's no place for them to go.
When I was growing up, there was a place in Detroit called Eloise.
It was a nuthouse.
And that's a cuckoo's nest.
That's where if you were mentally ill and you needed help, that there was a place for you to go to get you off the streets so you don't attack people with spikes and two-by-fours.
joe rogan
What are you talking about, the spikes?
ted nugent
The guy right down the street here two days ago.
unidentified
Really?
ted nugent
Yeah, he attacked some fashion photographer walking his dog and hit him in the head with a 2x4 with a spike and almost killed him.
And a citizen...
joe rogan
I didn't even hear about this.
ted nugent
Oh, yeah, it was awesome.
A citizen jumped up in the air and caught this guy with both feet right in the neck and knocked him down and beat the shit out of him.
It was awesome!
joe rogan
Well, that's nice.
ted nugent
So it was a rare occasion of justice.
joe rogan
Pro-wrestling coming in handy.
ted nugent
Yes, but that incident is not rare where you go to San Francisco and the mental health institution isn't supposed to be the streets.
joe rogan
San Francisco is a good example of too much liberal policy.
You get people that are a little bit too progressive and too open-minded.
ted nugent
That's not progressive.
That's regressive.
I don't know.
How did they ever utilize that term?
That's bastardized.
That's not progressive.
joe rogan
It gets so far that it becomes regressive when you're letting bums shit all over the streets.
ted nugent
You think?
I think that would be an indicator.
joe rogan
But they're so, like, the idea is that just, like, these poor people, leave them alone.
You know, they're fine.
They just, you know, it's okay if they live on the streets.
But if you go to San Francisco, they're very aggressive.
It's one of the weirder places I've ever been in terms of homeless people.
And one of the most, quote-unquote, progressive places in our country.
ted nugent
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's one of the most progressive cities.
ted nugent
Heartbreaking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
We need more cuckoo's nests.
But even those institutions, the corruption and the abuse of power that runs rampant, the nurse Cratchit, I mean, that wasn't just a fantasy script.
That happens.
The irresponsibility and pharmaceutical-ing everybody.
You know, they got a mental problem, and then they increased the mental problem with Big Pharma.
I mean, I've had personal experiences with that, with dear friends of mine that were having mental problems, and they end up in an institution, and then their mental problems are exasperated by chemical warfare upon them.
You know, when I was growing up, how old are you, Joe?
joe rogan
Fifty.
ted nugent
Fifty, just a boy.
When I was growing up, there was this mantra, this colloquialism, better living through chemistry.
And in many ways, it is.
I mean, we saved tens of millions of lives in Africa with DDT by killing the Zizi fly, and we saved tens of millions of people.
And then some environmentalists came in, and the DDT is a dangerous chemical, so they stopped it.
And we lost tens of millions of people.
It's better to kill a bunch of tsetse flies to save human lives than to ban the DDT that allows tsetse flies to flourish and kills people.
So now it's gone full circle, and that's where the toxins have accumulated and the horrific waste that I had texted Anthony just before he died congratulating him on his hosting that show.
Brilliant documentary.
If you haven't seen it yet, it's called Waste!
What We Do to Our Foods in This Country.
And the self-inflicted scourge of toxification of our precious environment.
So there's not a lot of easy answers, but here it is, 28th of June, 2018, and here you and I are at least discussing this stuff to millions of people, I suspect, and I see upgrade taking place.
I see upgrade in awareness, not fast enough to make me happy, but enough to indicate an upgraded prognosis for people's Awareness, accountability, responsibility.
joe rogan
Where are you seeing this?
ted nugent
Whether it's...
joe rogan
Like the circles that you travel in?
ted nugent
The circles, certainly.
We don't waste.
One of my biggest pet peeves is little fat kids that take a sip of a $2 bottle of water and then they leave it there and end up throwing it away.
The waste is pandemic in this country.
And I see...
My kids are like...
Like stormtroopers.
They're like drill sergeants with that.
We just don't want to waste.
And we've always recycled, and the jury is still out whether that has any effect at all.
But the disconnect and unconscionable misbehavior of just tossing and throwing away everything.
joe rogan
You know what drives me fucking crazy?
Cigarettes out the window.
The people that smoke cigarettes, for whatever reason, didn't have any problem throwing it on the ground.
Even people that wouldn't litter.
ted nugent
How about what drives me crazy is somebody still stupid enough to buy cancer.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
ted nugent
Here, let me invest in the companies that want to kill me.
Here, here's a couple extra thousand dollars.
Kill more of us!
What are you...
How dumb do you have to be?
unidentified
But it makes you look cool.
joe rogan
It makes you look like a rebel.
ted nugent
I don't think so.
joe rogan
You're a rebel, man.
ted nugent
Watch, watch, watch.
I never smoked a cigarette.
No drugs, no alcohol, no tobacco.
joe rogan
Well, you drink a little wine, though, right?
ted nugent
And no fat pussy.
I'm telling you, that shit will kill you.
joe rogan
No fat pussy?
ted nugent
No.
joe rogan
Not even a little?
ted nugent
I'm allergic!
I'm a big fan for those who want, but no.
joe rogan
Don't you drink a little wine, though?
ted nugent
I do drink a little wine, but I don't think that qualifies as a drinker.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You're just having a glass of wine with a meal.
ted nugent
My sons and my daughters, my brothers and sisters, Thanksgiving dinner, beer.
Beer is better than Coke.
Right.
Vastly.
unidentified
Sure.
ted nugent
It's when you...
Start to enter the drool zone that I have a big problem.
And all of a sudden, if there's a problem, I can't rely on you anymore.
I want to be reliable.
And that's why I have a problem with comfortably numb.
I think, in my experience...
You can't wake up the bass player because he's comfortably numb.
The guys don't show up.
He can't tune his guitar.
He forgot the licks.
We're not as tight as we could be.
You're fired.
joe rogan
Right.
I know what you're saying, but this is what I'm saying to you.
This is just a discipline issue.
And it's not the marijuana or anything that gets people like that.
It's a lack of discipline.
I come from the jiu-jitsu world.
And the jiu-jitsu world is filled with people that smoke pot.
And these motherfuckers work hard.
ted nugent
What's the number one karate guy?
The guy that died...
joe rogan
Bruce Lee?
ted nugent
Yeah, Bruce Lee.
Did he smoke dope?
joe rogan
He ate hash.
ted nugent
He ate hash?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was into eating hash.
ted nugent
Here's my question to you.
joe rogan
But that's not what killed him.
ted nugent
Here's my question to you, as I offered to my son Rocco, because he's an advocate.
joe rogan
Of marijuana?
ted nugent
Yes.
joe rogan
Okay.
ted nugent
All right, Rocco.
And I said, so, do you really believe that perfectly clean and sober...
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ted nugent
Taking care of your health with a conscientious diet, good athletic workout discipline, physical prowess, do you really think that an outside source, peyote, mushrooms, dope,
whatever you want to call it, do you really think that with that outside influence, You can do something you can't do unto your God-given gift individual self?
I'm convinced, Joe, that you will be the absolute best you can be.
You will accomplish what I think is the self-inflicted curse of modern man that 90%, 98% of humanity might be tapping into 5% of their capabilities.
Because they get on a treadmill, they get in a paradigm, self-restricted paradigm, ever so decreasing view of the world and experiences and the destroyed road over-traveled versus not only the road less traveled, but the non-road untraveled.
That's my favorite.
I'm convinced that you, Joe Rogan, will find your Superior, definitive best, without any outside influence.
I believe you have the power.
I think I have the power.
When I get on stage tonight, and you gotta come witness this.
My bad that I do.
joe rogan
We'll work something out.
We'll figure out a time.
I can't come tonight, unfortunately.
unidentified
It's like an orgy of human fire.
ted nugent
We put our fists together and chant James Brown and Wilson Pickett and Funk Brothers, and it's like the last wolves on an island, ganashing of teeth over the last bone and shard of flesh.
It's an out-of-body, soaring-above-life-itself experience that we have in us.
I don't need...
unidentified
I understand that.
ted nugent
It's in me.
joe rogan
I understand that, but you don't use anything.
So you're talking from a place of non-experience when it comes to marijuana or mushrooms or any of these things.
ted nugent
But my 70 years, I'd say at least 55 of those years, from the beatniks to the hippies to the friends, and you've got to meet this Wayne Kramer guy, MC5 guitarist, new book, The Hard Stuff.
He and I were born the same time, same influence as Detroit, the swamps, the outdoors, Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, Motown, James Brown.
He started smoking dope.
I didn't.
And he's got heroin in the crack.
unidentified
I get it.
ted nugent
And in prison.
joe rogan
I get it.
unidentified
And stealing.
ted nugent
I get it.
And arrested.
And I'm having the time of my life.
And he's like wallowing in a cesspool of dog shit.
And I'm not knocking Wayne.
I'm saying that he was courageous to write this book.
It's a brilliant book.
You've got to have him on.
You're going to read it.
You're going to be consumed by his conversational writing of the MC5's ascension to the most authoritative powerhouse music I've ever witnessed in my life.
To a bunch of dirt bags on the downward spiral because of drugs and alcohol.
joe rogan
I know that happens.
It definitely happens.
But it happens with everything.
It happens with people that eat too much food.
It happens with people with gambling.
It happens with a bunch of different things.
But I think it's because of discipline.
It's because they don't have a clear path.
I think it's because they let themselves become self-indulgent and they let themselves be weak.
What I'm saying is that I know a lot of people who use, whether it's psychedelics or they use marijuana, and they use it to enhance their perspective.
It doesn't become the primary focus of their life.
It doesn't consume their life.
They don't allow it to consume their life.
There's a whole other world of disciplined marijuana enthusiasts, and they're confused the same way people confuse hunters.
The same way people think of hunters as being lazy, drunken slobs who are cruel to animals, and you and I know that that's not the case at all.
ted nugent
Rare.
joe rogan
Some of the most disciplined, focused...
ted nugent
Best people in the world.
joe rogan
Intense people.
Because to be a Cameron Haynes, to be a John Dudley, you have to be a superior type of human being.
ted nugent
Super athletes, yeah.
joe rogan
You have to be able to execute in that extreme moment.
That moment where that animal walks out into that shooting window and you're looking at this...
390 bull elk and it's screaming, screaming and jizzing all over itself.
ted nugent
Overwhelming.
joe rogan
And it's 40 yards away and you're centering that pin.
It takes a powerful human being to execute that shot and I don't think most people are aware of that.
Most people don't know.
In the same way that that's misunderstood, I think marijuana is misunderstood because there's a lot of dummies in this world.
If you get a group of a hundred people, what are the odds that one of them is going to be a dummy?
Fucking 100%.
ted nugent
Yeah, more than one.
Nowadays, more than one, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, if you get a group of 100 people that use marijuana, the one loud fucking stupid one defies, or defines rather, what marijuana users are.
You see that fucking idiot who's pissing all over himself and falling down so high he can't walk.
That's what you think of.
You don't think of the Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt that smokes pot and then goes out and strangles 50 people in class.
You don't think of people that take yoga class high on marijuana.
I like to strangle it.
ted nugent
There should be a soul.
I'm absorbing and respecting and considering your words.
joe rogan
It can get away from you.
It can get away from you.
ted nugent
That's all I've ever seen.
joe rogan
But everything can get away from you.
ted nugent
That's all I've ever seen.
joe rogan
But I think it's because these people that consume it, they don't have those other qualities.
They don't have discipline and focus.
They don't have respect for their body.
See, the thing with, especially in the jiu-jitsu community, it's super common.
Marijuana is really, really, really common.
Yeah, I mean, there's a show called High Rollers where these guys, they put together a jiu-jitsu tournament and everybody had to get high before they rolled.
And you're talking like elite, world-class Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts competing high on marijuana.
ted nugent
And that's got to be one of the highest forms of discipline available to us.
joe rogan
Yes, it's a very, very difficult thing to do with your body.
ted nugent
Right there with the Cameron Haynes mountain climbing, bow hunting, calling an elk in your lap.
joe rogan
Well, you're doing an art that's designed to break bodies, and the two of you are going to do it together, and the whole idea is that you're going to get someone into a position where they have to tap, or they're going to get their arms snapped, or they're going to get choked unconscious.
It's an intense, extremely difficult pursuit, and a lot of people do it under the influence of marijuana.
ted nugent
Do you know any of these master jiu-jitsu martial artists that don't do any?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ted nugent
And how do they perform?
joe rogan
They perform very well.
Look, there's elite world-class athletes in jiu-jitsu that don't smoke marijuana.
ted nugent
Do you know if the world champion got high or not?
joe rogan
Well, I know a lot of them do.
ted nugent
You know where I'm going with this.
joe rogan
I do, but I know a lot of them do.
A lot of world champions do.
I know a lot of, like, real multiple-time world champions that are marijuana users.
ted nugent
How about world champions that don't get high?
joe rogan
There's a lot of those, too.
See, what happens with marijuana is this increased sensitivity that a lot of people talk about, and they call it paranoia.
Because there's a lot of things that people put blinders on their life.
A lot of people aren't aware.
And I'm sure because of your hunting, you're spending time in the woods, you're soaking in all the variables, the sound, the wind.
ted nugent
I'm a radar.
joe rogan
You're there, right?
You're aware.
There's a lot of people that go through life like this.
They go through life like they're looking through a toilet paper roll.
ted nugent
They're in the left lane right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're not using their blinkers.
And those people, when they smoke marijuana, they freak out.
They get paranoid.
Because what's happening is, the marijuana increases your sensitivity, makes you aware of all these variables, and a lot of people consider that paranoia.
You start freaking out about all these variables.
You start thinking about your mortality.
And instead of embracing this time as a magical moment, instead of being in this moment, you just start getting overwhelmed, and you feel your own heartbeat, and you start freaking out.
ted nugent
All the time.
Without anything.
joe rogan
It's an entheogen.
It brings you closer to whatever you are when you're not encumbered by your ego.
ted nugent
I will admit, it's inescapable, that everything affects everyone differently.
joe rogan
Yes.
ted nugent
But once you make it widespread, I mean, I've studied the results of legalization for recreational use in Colorado and how the highway fatalities and accidents have increased.
joe rogan
But you know what else has increased?
The population in proportion to the accidents.
ted nugent
So it causes breeding?
joe rogan
Because there's more people there.
More people are there.
So you're having more accidents there.
ted nugent
Right.
joe rogan
The problem is there's a boom of population.
Also a boom in the economy, a boom in the real estate.
The real estate's taking off.
Yeah, there's a lot of losers there, too.
There's a lot of hacky sack playing dirty, stinky hippies that are wandering around with no shoes on.
You're going to get those.
You're going to get those.
If you have an opening, welcome society that doesn't lock those people up, you're going to have those.
It's a part of freedom.
Yeah, it sucks.
Look, losers are a part of this safe world that our kids are allowed to wander through.
We want the world to be safe, so sometimes things are too safe.
You nerf the edges, and you get a bunch of people that are used to hitting their heads on things, and they're not worried about it.
You're gonna have these losers, but it doesn't mean that everybody who does it's a loser.
I know a lot of, like, CEOs of big corporations that have extreme responsibilities, and they like to smoke a little pot.
ted nugent
Punched back often on Facebook.
I'm a successful guy.
I run my family.
I'm a good dad.
I'm a good hunter, and I'm a Trump supporter, and I get high.
So I go, God bless you.
I don't want you babysitting my kids.
joe rogan
While you're high, yeah.
But it's discipline.
Discipline is the thing that fucks people up, and the lack of discipline.
The lack of discipline.
And I think that's with everything.
It could be with sex.
It could be with gambling.
It could be with extreme risky behaviors.
People could just get...
Get real nutty and get carried away with things.
And sometimes those things are just a big distraction for the lack of discipline they have in pursuing their own goals in life.
I think that that is the real high in life.
The real high in life is pursuing difficult things.
ted nugent
Gratification.
joe rogan
Yes.
Getting good at them and then accomplishing your goals.
There's a high to that that you can't find that in pills.
It doesn't exist in a needle.
That high is a high of discipline and determination and focus and learning.
ted nugent
But there's so much weakness out there.
Especially in a society that's been spoiled for so long.
And you get a trophy if you don't even show up.
And you can't hurt people's feelings and get bullied and you cry instead of fighting back.
I mean, there's so many manifestations of a cultural deprivation that runs amok in our society that my fear is, and I've studied all these mass shootings.
Joe, the Virginia Tech shooter.
Hi.
joe rogan
Well, they're all...
ted nugent
Columbine?
High.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they're all on SSRIs.
They're all on pills and pharmaceuticals and antidepressants.
ted nugent
And almost all of them are on Prozac.
Yeah.
Their parents are chemical covering up a kid that shows enthusiasm.
It's called attention disorder now.
I mean, if they had that back when I was growing up, I'd end up playing, I don't know, I'd end up being Aussie.
joe rogan
But the problem is the word drugs.
Like, you and I are drinking coffee.
We're on drugs right now.
We're on caffeine.
This is a drug.
There's some drugs that, if used responsibly, are okay.
A glass of wine with dinner is a drug.
ted nugent
Understood.
joe rogan
It's a mild drug.
A little tiny toke before sex with the missus, that's a little drug.
ted nugent
See, I've never smoked because I can't smoke.
Even when I shoot my machine guns, all I do is chew on a Cuban.
I don't really smoke it.
joe rogan
Well, you can get a little buzz just chewing on those suckers.
ted nugent
I love a good Cuban, man.
unidentified
I do, too.
ted nugent
It seems to go with brass rainbows when I'm exercising.
Oh, it's way faster than that.
unidentified
Oh, sorry.
ted nugent
My best morning with my M4, it's an M16 carbine, and I got a POF upper.
It's piston-driven, so instead of 600-plus rounds a minute, it's over 700 rounds a minute.
But the 600's too low.
Well, it's way too low.
It's not enough.
The original Thompsons were 900 rounds a minute, and nobody, including Sergeant Rock, could control that, so they backed it down to 600, but that's 45, and it's got a whole lot of lift.
My 223 M4, my best morning, and this is how Uncle Ted parties, Apache helicopter, M4, Bags of ammo, 469 hogs one day.
joe rogan
We played videos of that, you and Pigman from Apocalypse.
ted nugent
No fun at all.
No fun at all.
joe rogan
That is ridiculous.
That is every wildlife.
ted nugent
That's how I get high!
joe rogan
But the pig problem is the one that throws in the face of vegans.
That's a weird one, because you've got to do something about those animals, because they're going to destroy your food.
ted nugent
Sure.
joe rogan
They're going to eat everything.
ted nugent
Well, when we kill pigs like that in such mass numbers from helicopters with machine guns, we're literally saving the environment.
joe rogan
Feeding a lot of people.
ted nugent
The pork that we process, thousands and thousands of people get this pure organic pork.
joe rogan
And it's delicious.
ted nugent
It's the best.
The wild pork with that white fat.
That candy.
joe rogan
Dark meat.
ted nugent
Candy.
So good.
So we're saving the environment from the pig destruction.
We're saving agriculture, i.e.
food production, from the pig destruction.
We're saving tax dollars from hiring sharpshooters.
We're saving all wildlife because the alternative would have been an indiscriminate poisoning campaign.
And we're creating a huge new industry of helicopter hog hunting.
Win, win, win, win, win, win, win!
joe rogan
The industry of helicopter hog hunting is hilarious.
ted nugent
I mean, it's party time USA. And guess who passed that law?
joe rogan
You did?
ted nugent
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Did you get that in?
ted nugent
Me and Chris Kobach, we were hunting, and we weren't allowed to pay the helicopter pilot by law.
It couldn't be a for-profit outfit unless the government paid them, which was so un-Texas-like.
So Chris Kobach, who was the Secretary of State in Kansas and was running for governor and should be governor of Kansas, He's a constitutional master, and he took the current pig hunting law from helicopters that was government controlled, no citizens, no commercial value whatsoever.
He rewrote it.
We gave it to then Attorney General Greg Abbott and Governor Perry at the time, and we said, this is insane.
This can't be Texas where you get to hunt the pigs on our land, but we can't.
So literally within a week or two, they passed the law where it became a commercial outfit where we the people can hunt the pigs out of helicopters, and it's become a huge success.
It's really knocked the shit out of this dangerous pig population in those areas where landowners allow it and give authorization.
And it's so much fun, it's stupid.
joe rogan
Well, that's what people need to realize.
There's no other way to get to them in certain circumstances.
ted nugent
They're inaccessible.
No way.
joe rogan
There are millions and millions of wild pigs.
They have three, four litters a year, and there's no way to take care of them naturally.
ted nugent
Machine guns and helicopters!
joe rogan
Unless you're going to let hundreds of thousands of wolves loose in Texas, I really don't see any other way.
ted nugent
And then we'll shoot them from the helicopters, yes.
joe rogan
I mean, that's what they do in Alaska when they decimate the caribou.
ted nugent
They have to.
joe rogan
There's no other way to control these pigs other than killing them.
ted nugent
God bless you, Joe.
Not many people know that.
joe rogan
They don't know that.
And it's a real problem when you talk to people who are animal rights activists.
Like, how do you propose to fix this?
They're like, well, you know, they shouldn't be here in the first place.
They're an invasive species that people...
That's fine.
You're right.
But they brought them over in the 1700s.
ted nugent
Yes.
joe rogan
So what do we do?
ted nugent
So arrest Captain Cook.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Right.
Exactly.
Arrest William Randolph Hearst, because he released a bunch of them up in Northern California.
ted nugent
That's right here in California.
That's where it started.
joe rogan
The pigs that we hunted, Tejon Ranch, came from those pigs down, and they worked their way down.
ted nugent
And they're awesome.
joe rogan
They're delicious.
I love hunting them.
ted nugent
The best pork in the world.
People who eat normal pork have no idea what real pork tastes like.
joe rogan
I smoked some for a friend of mine.
He's like, this is insane.
He's like, this is insane.
ted nugent
Put it over a good coal, wood coals.
It's candy.
joe rogan
Brined it for a few days.
ted nugent
Here's a little trick for you.
I'm a Werner's ginger ale guy.
Detroit Brew.
Bottled in ginger ale.
Detroit.
Werner's.
It's the only ginger ale with ginger.
But unfortunately, it's full of fructose.
So I don't drink it anymore.
But you can cook with it.
Next time you brine a slab of pork...
Put in a good olive oil and all the seasons you like, but also a can of Werner's ginger ale, because it's got real ginger and just enough sugar in it to affect it, and soak that overnight in a glass dish covered up in a cool, like a refrigerator.
And then put that sonbitch on some hot orange coals.
I don't care.
Apple, cherry, mesquite, hickory, whatever you got.
Oak, doesn't matter.
And let that sonbitch just singe on the outside.
It's food sex.
You get your palate erection.
You get a culinary boner.
It's so delicious.
That's what we eat at home.
That's how we eat.
That's why I'm like this.
joe rogan
Do you ever use a palate grill?
unidentified
Yeah.
ted nugent
I haven't.
No, my ranch manager Chris has got one.
joe rogan
I'm such a big fan of those things because it's real wood.
It's just compressed wood pellets.
They take, like from making this table, they take that sawdust, compress it down.
ted nugent
But I have all this timber we have at our properties.
I like cutting down dead trees and making my own firewood.
joe rogan
Is that what you do?
You cook over your...
Well, there's something to that, right?
ted nugent
Yep, yep.
It's real McCoy.
Yeah, my taste buds are as sacred as my dick.
I mean, I want to make sure I treat my taste buds really good.
I consider my life to be like one big 6'2", 220-pound purple-rimmed dick.
I'm susceptible to all influences and stimuli, and that's where I get this passion and this happiness every day.
Especially if I'm spoiled rotten.
I get to hunt everywhere.
joe rogan
That's what's crazy, too.
ted nugent
And I get to rock my balls off every year, so I'm a lucky man.
joe rogan
You get to hunt in your yard.
You essentially leave your house.
ted nugent
My swamp in Michigan.
I have to close the door quietly because I have tree stands really close to the cabin.
And the swamp is a miracle.
I think God loves me more than he loves you.
Because you created this place just for me, and it's a glacier-cut marsh-swamp fen.
You know what a fen is?
unidentified
No.
ted nugent
Fen, F-E-N. It's a very unique wetland habitat that's a cross between a marsh and a swamp and a bog.
And it's the habitat that produces the Mitchell's satyr butterfly environment, which is the Christmas tree fern.
And on my Michigan fen, I have the healthiest productivity of the endangered species Christmas tree fern and Mitchell's satyr butterfly.
According to the biologists and the botanists that visit there every year from universities, because I kill lots of critters that would otherwise denude those touchy wild vegetations.
And that's why I hunt every day up there.
I hunt coons and possums and skunks and beavers and mink and muskrats.
And pheasants up the ass.
I'm the only ground in southern Michigan that has pheasants because I wage war on varmints.
You cannot hurt varmint populations.
In fact, they are drastically underharvested.
But on mine, I kill so many egg-rating varmints that I have...
The best biodiversity of all, including the endangered Mitchell Satter butterfly and Christmas tree fern, because I'm a steward who actually walks the wild ground, unlike a bureaucrat who looks at the computer screen in his DNR office and makes an assumption.
Of what the model might indicate instead of what the actual wild ground will show you if you get the fuck off your chair and go walk that sacred ground.
joe rogan
Well, that's a big criticism to people or from people that, especially like people in B.C. that are now part of that grizzly bear band.
ted nugent
Unbelievable.
So dishonest.
joe rogan
People that live in the cities that don't have any interaction with these animals and that these animals are trouble.
There's a lot of them.
ted nugent
And you can eat them, too, by the way.
Yeah, you think?
Bear steaks, bear back straps, candy.
Especially in the spring if they're eating berries and grass.
joe rogan
Right, but the perception is that what you're doing is trophy hunting.
You're shooting something you don't plan on eating just to put a head on your wall.
Unbelievable.
You're a cruel person.
ted nugent
How dishonest can you be?
joe rogan
Well, they're not talking to the people that are in the forest.
The actual people that are on the ground.
And that's a real part of the problem is that these laws get passed by these people that have no interaction with this actual environment.
ted nugent
It's like people who live in a drought voting on what's going on in your floodplain.
You know, it's like the people in Detroit voting on wolves in the Upper Peninsula.
If you don't live with the wolves, you don't get say-so.
You need to respect the people who live with the wolves.
And wolves don't buy licenses, wolves don't buy permits, wolves don't pay fees, wolves don't have bag limits, wolves don't have seasons, they just like to kill stuff.
And if you have too many wolves, nobody's spending money on deer license or bear license or small game hunting in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan has been abandoned by a bunch of politically correct, ignorant city jerks who think they have to save the endangered wolf.
I want wolves in Michigan, but not to the detriment of wildlife that actually pays for the game department to manage it for a sustained yield productivity.
Duh!
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing we're talking about here, right?
Like wildlife management.
Like this idea that you have to manage the population of pigs.
Have to.
Like what you're doing in your place in Michigan.
You're managing this wildlife to the ultimate diversity.
ted nugent
And if you don't, you have to do that with wolves.
And if you don't, you hire tax-paid sharpshooters that have no respect for the animals at all.
They're just doing a job of killing stuff.
joe rogan
Which is what they do in California with the mountain lions.
ted nugent
Which is unbelievably irresponsible.
And here's a challenge and a condemnation.
For the California Fish and Game Society.
joe rogan
They don't even call it Fish and Game anymore.
They call it Fish and Wildlife.
Because of that.
ted nugent
How can you go to work every day violating your oath to wildlife science?
How can you force the mountain lion and the black bear in California into the liability column as a game warden, as a person dedicated to conservation?
How can you violate your wise use oath to And turn the mountain lion and the black bear into a liability because some dirtbag in San Francisco think it's unfair to use hounds or bait for bear.
And then you have to go in and shoot black bears with tax dollars and bury them in a hole in the ground.
Instead of a family recreational resource that you buy licenses and fees and permits and guides and outfitters, hotels, food, lodging, groceries, supplies, butchers, ice, taxidermists, none of that happens because some...
Liar has forced the wildlife mismanagers of California to ban mountain lion hunting while you continue to kill them as damage control instead of manage them as quality control.
Shame on the California wildlife officers.
Shame on you for not blowing the whistle.
It's like Comey at the FBI. How dare you walk into that building that says J. Edgar Hoover over the top and not feel a sense of guilt?
Because J. Edgar Hoover was one of the biggest criminal punks that ever walked this earth.
And now Comey is following him in his footsteps.
I challenge my FBI buddies.
How did you go all these years without blowing the whistles on the corruption, the power abuse, and the criminality by your so-called leaders?
joe rogan
I don't know enough about the Comey thing to comment, but I do know enough about what you did do.
ted nugent
I do know, because he's a liar, and he's a perjurer, and he's a felon.
I'm really angry, because I work with the FBI. I've had to rely on these guys to cover my back on raids, and they're great warriors, and they look the other way because they're saving their pensions instead of blowing the whistles on their corrupt criminal leaders.
Damn them!
joe rogan
Well, I don't know how that relates to mountain lions.
I'd like to bring it all back.
ted nugent
Corruption is corruption.
Same thing.
joe rogan
But I was saying, I don't think it's corruption here.
ted nugent
Oh, it is!
Wildlife officers that know better.
joe rogan
I don't think they're getting this conversation.
I think there is some that they're trying to preserve their jobs.
They don't want to stick their neck out with a very liberal government.
But, you know, I think that there's a real problem with education, that this conversation doesn't happen in most circles.
This understanding of balance of nature, that you really do have to manage this.
ted nugent
But these game wardens, they know it.
They study it.
They've got degrees in it.
And they defy it.
And give out permits after the mountain lion has destroyed millions of dollars worth of livestock and pets, and scared the shit out of people and killed people.
Then they kill them.
You're supposed to kill them before they do the damage.
It's supposed to be quality control, not damage control.
They know the system, they've abandoned it, and they've gone the political correct denial route and said that the mountain lions are not game animals.
That is a lie.
So the California Game Department are liars.
Period.
joe rogan
Well, the idea that mountain lions are not a game animal comes from people that have never eaten one.
ted nugent
Yeah.
The ultimate backstrap.
joe rogan
Most people don't know.
I've never eaten one, but I know from people that have.
They're delicious.
ted nugent
Delicious.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
You tell that to people and they go, wait a minute, what?
unidentified
A cat?
ted nugent
A lot of people don't think you eat bears.
Well, of course you eat bears, you dirtbag.
Who doesn't know this?
Wake up!
joe rogan
A lot of people don't know.
ted nugent
They're idiots.
joe rogan
I've had conversations with people because I've hunted bears.
No one has gotten more mad at me at anything I've ever done than when I killed a bear.
ted nugent
Good.
Good for you.
I like that.
It tastes good.
If you're not pissing off the assholes, you're an asshole.
joe rogan
But it's people that don't understand what a bear is.
They're not around bears.
ted nugent
Then if they don't understand, I just recommend, shut the fuck up.
Go do a little research and come back when you have some knowledge.
Until then, suck my dick.
joe rogan
Don't you think, though, it's better to just explain to them what it is?
ted nugent
But I did over and over again.
But they weren't there.
They refused.
joe rogan
They weren't there.
ted nugent
They refused to listen.
joe rogan
Yeah?
ted nugent
They like their ignorance.
They go to maniacal levels to protect their ignorance because it feels good, because it's boo-boo.
It's really a cartoon.
I respect animals, so I'm going to reduce them to the level of a cartoon.
joe rogan
Well, it's also weird, too, because...
There was a deprivation permit that was issued for a mountain lion in Malibu because it was killing...
It got to this alpaca farm and just went fucking crazy and killed like 10 alpacas.
ted nugent
Alpaca yum.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Just fucked...
It didn't even eat them.
Just fucked them up.
ted nugent
No, they like...
Lions like to kill.
I'm a big fan.
joe rogan
So a deprivation...
Depredation permit was issued.
ted nugent
After they destroyed a bunch of livestock.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So this lady could kill this cat that had been, you know, really hunting her farm.
ted nugent
As if she's qualified.
joe rogan
So she was going to hire somebody, but then she got all these death threats, which is hilarious.
But here's the thing.
People say they love animals.
Well, you obviously don't love these alpaca because this lion's coming in and fucking killing them all the time.
ted nugent
And by the way, they die a slow death because the lion just bites them and lets them bleed to death and flop around for a couple hours.
joe rogan
And then goes to the one that's next to it because it's trying to get away.
ted nugent
The ignorance is staggering, and that's why I continue to fight it.
joe rogan
It's convenient, right?
It's like, we love animals, we don't want you to kill this mountain lion.
Okay, well, if you love animals, you'll let them kill this one mountain lion that's obviously targeting these pets, because this is not hunting.
ted nugent
And by the way, you know why the mountain lion is targeting the pets?
Because there's too many mountain lions, and the dominant males have run all the other mountain lions out of ideal habitat into your neighborhood!
Yeah.
Because you didn't harvest the surplus, now the surplus is coming into your home.
Now it's a liability because you were too stupid to keep it in the asset column.
It's absolutely sinful what the animal rights people have accomplished.
joe rogan
They have a pond over at Tejon Ranch.
They have a game camera.
A trail camera on that pond, they got 16 different mountain lines on that camera.
ted nugent
And they're not allowed to do a damn thing.
joe rogan
And it's hard to find deer.
It's hard to find deer here.
It's like, it's nothing like, I mean, one thing, it's good.
People aren't dying in car accidents with deer.
But if you see a deer in California, it's pretty rare.
ted nugent
Yeah, but again, there's plenty of, I fly over California.
I love California, man.
My blood brothers live out here.
We're having the greatest concerts of my life.
Last night in San Juan Capistrano.
Firestorm.
Tonight, tomorrow night we're in Pasadena, and then we go to Agoura Hills.
joe rogan
Canyon Club.
ted nugent
Yeah, then we go to Big Bear, then we go to Reno, and we go to Iowa, and Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and we're all over the country.
And I fly in a little plane over the country, and it's God's country.
It's wildlife habitat.
Eternally all across this country.
And California is one of the most beautiful wilderness states in the world.
And because mountain lions have been irresponsibly mismanaged, now you have a destruction of the wildlife in the deer category, in the small game, another game.
Because the mountain lions are in the liability column.
If you reduce the mountain lion numbers, then hunters will pay for the deer licenses, which pay for the game departments and the scientists to manage the wildlife so we have balance.
California is imbalanced.
It's out of balance because of the lie of the animal rights that have...
How the wildlife officers of this country accept that bullshit is just a crime.
They should stand up and go, you're wrong.
This is a renewable wildlife resource and we're going to have a season on it because now we're killing them as damage control.
They're still dying.
But then we're taking millions of dollars to compensate the llama and the alpaca and the cattle and the sheep and the goat and the horse.
We're millions of dollars compensating and then we're going to kill the lion and bury it.
No, you don't get to eat it.
No, you don't get to spend any money and provide game department finances.
No, you don't get to go to hotels and travel and food and lodging and supplies and sporting goods and taxidermists.
You don't get to increase the economy of the entire area because of one mountain lion hunt.
We're going to take your tax dollars and compensate all the dead livestock, and then we're going to hire a guy to kill the mountain lion, Joe, dig a hole, which, by the way, you're going to take your tax dollars to hire a guy with a front loader, dig a hole, and bury this magnificent animal.
joe rogan
But don't you think this is because of public perception?
It's because of the average person.
You say perception.
unidentified
You have dogs.
joe rogan
I have dogs.
ted nugent
It's not perception, it's ignorance, and it's irresponsible ignorance.
joe rogan
I agree, but this perception that does come from ignorance is that we love animals.
Like, I have a dog, you have dogs.
ted nugent
I live for my dogs.
joe rogan
Yeah, I have three dogs.
We love dogs, right?
ted nugent
Can't live without them!
joe rogan
You go home, you pet them.
People that don't have any interaction whatsoever with wildlife think of animals like they think of their dog.
I don't want anything to die.
And then you hear about a mountain lion, like, oh, why would you kill a mountain lion?
You're being cruel.
Like, you would only kill a mountain lion if you're one of those dickless assholes that wants to go to Africa and shoot a lion in the head and mount it on your wall.
ted nugent
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
But this is the thought process behind it, and there's no pushback, because the public speaks.
ted nugent
And then I push back, and they attack me.
joe rogan
And they attack you.
ted nugent
They go after you.
Bring it on.
Bring it on, because ignorance bounces off me like personal hygiene from Michael Moore.
It just has no impact whatsoever.
joe rogan
I think he washes.
You don't think he washes?
ted nugent
Michael Moore, what a swine he is.
That's a subhuman mongrel if I ever saw him.
joe rogan
I met him.
He was a nice guy.
ted nugent
He's a prick.
He's a liar.
joe rogan
What do you think he's a liar about?
ted nugent
He's a scam artist.
joe rogan
He's a gun control?
ted nugent
Well, how about the fact that he put together that so-called documentary that Hollywood actually gave him an award and he copy and pasted Out of sequence, the attack on the great Charlton Heston, claiming he was somehow responsible for the little child killing herself with her paroled felon father's gun.
And they put it out of sequence and attributed Charlton Heston defending such irresponsible gun ownership.
Michael Moore is a lying, cruel, stoned punk.
joe rogan
Is he stoned?
ted nugent
Constantly.
joe rogan
All day?
ted nugent
All the time.
I think he uses suppositories.
unidentified
Pfft.
joe rogan
I don't know him.
ted nugent
I do!
And he's a punk.
joe rogan
Have you ever had a conversation with him?
ted nugent
Yeah, I was on his TV show and I was responsible for ending his TV show because he tried to fuck with me.
And I don't know if you noticed, Joe, but I'm unfuckable.
You fuck with me, I'll eat your family tree and shit sawdust into your face.
Ask Pierce Morgan.
joe rogan
That seems like I saw your conversation with Pierce Morgan.
ted nugent
Not even close.
I was arm wrestling a torso.
joe rogan
Well, Pierce Morgan, the problem is he didn't understand the facts.
When you talk about gun violence, he didn't understand how much of gun violence...
ted nugent
He avoided the facts.
He knew them.
He avoided them.
joe rogan
Do you think that's true?
ted nugent
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Well, explain what we're talking about.
Because when you say the numbers of gun violence, a giant percentage of them are suicide.
A giant percentage of them are cops killing bad guys.
ted nugent
And citizens defending their families.
joe rogan
So all of those are out of the...
And then accidental gun deaths.
ted nugent
Well, may I summarize it for you?
So, Pierce Morgan fancies himself a cocky, rather witty limey.
He's got the accent and everything.
unidentified
Not actually an accent, it's an impediment.
ted nugent
But he came on, and of course, he's going to take on the Motor City Mad Men.
I mean, this guy's going to be easy pickings.
He actually wrote Wango Tango.
I'll intellectually...
joe rogan
What is this thing you're doing?
ted nugent
That's that limey, manufactured confidence based on nothing except an ego that has no foundation in fact.
So Pierce Morgan, the CNN exec, so let's put Pierce Morgan on.
The Motor City Madman.
joe rogan
Well, they decided to put it in a gun store, too, right?
ted nugent
Well, the first time.
Did you see the first one at the CNN offices?
That's even better.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen both of them.
ted nugent
Yeah, that's the best one.
And so they think I'm a dirtbag and a goofball because I not only wrote Wang Dang Sweet Poontang, I meant it.
But when they take me on, they don't realize I never went to college because I was too busy learning shit.
And if you take me on on any subject that I am even slightly aware of, I will fuck you up.
Because I've studied this stuff.
I've lived this stuff.
I've been with guns since I could walk.
I have had universal, unlimited access to firepower my whole life, both in a recreational and A disciplined, a law enforcement, military training, and just family plinking competition.
So in every considerable, imaginable gun use, I've been 68 years of it.
So they sicked Pierce Morgan on me to teach me a lesson about how irresponsible gun owners are and that if we could just ban guns, that all the violence would end.
And of course, if you haven't seen it, you've got to Google it.
joe rogan
What's his take?
ted nugent
Well, I almost fixed him.
Because I so overwhelmed him with evidence that they finally researched and realized that every word out of my mouth was absolutely indisputable.
joe rogan
Well, what was most compelling that you were saying to him?
ted nugent
I'll summarize it this way, like I did to Pierce.
The anti-gunners have their dream.
It exists.
It existed in Paris, where all those people were shot with Kalashnikovs.
Kalashnikovs were banned.
They have their dream.
Pierce Morgan's dream exists.
It's called a gun-free zone.
Virginia Tech, Columbine, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Parkland, Every instance where the most innocent lives have been slaughtered, Have been in Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama's dream.
Their dream is a gun-free zone.
Where free people are forced, forced into unarmed helplessness where the most innocent lives are lost.
And that dream has produced more carnage and destroyed lives than anything in the world compared to the NRA convention where you have the highest innocence of gun ownership or opening day of deer season in Michigan where you have 100% gun ownership and access where nobody gets hurt.
So if you know that your dream is a gun-free zone and that's where the most innocent lives are lost, what kind of demonic dirtbag would actually want more?
joe rogan
Well, let me stop.
ted nugent
Gun-free zone.
joe rogan
Let me stop.
unidentified
Please do.
joe rogan
I'll take his position or anybody's position on the other side.
You would say the real gun-free zone would be no one having access to the gun that killed those people in the gun-free zone.
So it's not a gun-free zone.
ted nugent
And the real answer to drownings in America would be to ban water.
You work on banning water, I'll work on banning guns, and we'll touch base every few weeks and see how we're doing.
You cannot ban, you cannot eliminate guns, Finland.
You cannot eliminate guns, Alberta, Canada, where the guy came into the university and shot everybody up.
It's impossible.
So what you do, instead of thinking you could ban water, learn to swim and watch your children by the pool.
Call me weird, but the way to handle violence is to carry a gun, practice with it, and when someone brings lethal force against you, shoot the motherfucker!
joe rogan
People are very uncomfortable with the idea of an incredibly armed society.
ted nugent
Poor uncomfortable baby.
Sorry you're uncomfortable.
Then go ahead and bend over and die.
joe rogan
But you know what I'm saying?
What the fuck?
I know what you're saying, but wouldn't it be better if there weren't any concern?
The idea is to somehow or another take away the concern of people being shot randomly by some psycho.
That you've got to figure out if you get all the guns away...
ted nugent
How do you get all the guns away?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't know, but this is what I'm saying.
unidentified
But you don't know, so let's just stop there and not try.
joe rogan
If it's not that, then everybody's got guns to shoot the guy who's got guns.
ted nugent
No, but everybody will not have guns.
joe rogan
Some people have guns.
ted nugent
Some people.
Here, I studied San Bernardino.
I studied Aurora.
I studied Virginia Tech.
I studied Columbine.
I studied Sandy Hook.
I studied them all.
Do you know, Joe, and everybody better write this down, because I'm the only guy that will tell you this.
I've studied the cadence, the bullet manufacturers, the rate of fire, the movement of the perp, and the movement of the victims.
In every instance, including in Connecticut, including Aurora, including San Bernardino right here, There were American citizens who would have had a gun on their person if they were allowed to.
And they could have been a meaningful force to at least reduce, if not terminate, the violent, murderous threat.
But by law, we have been so dumbed down and so forced against our natural survival instinct to have a tool on our belt That in every instance where the most innocent lives were slaughtered, those people that would have intervened with a firearm, not many of them, but there was a janitor, there was a couple of guys in the office, they had concealed weapons permits, but they weren't allowed to have them in that building.
In Virginia Tech, there were guys that had concealed weapons permits, but they weren't allowed to have them there.
In Aurora, Colorado, are you kidding me?
All kinds of people would have had guns.
They could have returned fire, but they were forced into unarmed helplessness.
Here's the gun debate.
In its irrefutable conclusion, if you are forced into unarmed helplessness, you are unarmed and helpless.
What a horrible, irresponsible, suicidal condition that in.
I'm just a guitar player, Joe.
I've never been unarmed since I graduated from high school.
I've always had a hanky and a A pocket full of guitar picks and a pocket knife and a belt knife and a belt tool and a pistol and some extra bullets.
I just have them everywhere I go.
I've never been unarmed.
I find it...
joe rogan
How do you travel around?
ted nugent
I improvise, adapt, and overcome.
Luckily, I helped pass House Resolution 218, which means all sworn law enforcement officers are allowed to carry a gun nationwide.
I've been a sheriff deputy since 1984, and my credentials allow me to carry a gun everywhere I go, and I carry a gun everywhere I go.
In fact, even in England, American law enforcement are allowed to carry guns, and I carry a gun over there.
It's just a tool.
You carry a gun in England?
Yeah.
If some dirtbag comes at me with a spike in the board, I just shoot him.
joe rogan
Why not?
unidentified
What's plan B? No, I agree that it's better to be armed.
joe rogan
It's better to have it and not to need it than to need it and not to have it.
ted nugent
Bingo.
joe rogan
The thing that we would all like to have is no school shootings, no mass shootings, no Aurora, no Columbine.
So how do you stop that?
Do you think you stop that with more guns?
Or do you think you stop that with mental health education, figuring out how to get people off of pills, figuring out how to keep people from living despondent lives where they want to just tear it all down and shoot everybody and hurt a bunch of people?
That's the root, right?
ted nugent
Sure.
Here we are, 2018. So we can't Go back in history and find the goofball from Virginia Tech and what motivated him.
We can't go back there because we have failed as a society to take care of people or respond with any sense of responsibility or effectiveness to the glaring danger signs most It's
joe rogan
very difficult for them to do something until someone does something.
ted nugent
No, it's not.
joe rogan
Isn't it?
No?
ted nugent
No, it's not.
joe rogan
So you think it's a failure of law enforcement?
What's the matter?
jamie vernon
It was just a shooting two hours ago.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
ted nugent
Another one?
jamie vernon
Five people are dead and multiple people are shot.
ted nugent
Where?
unidentified
Annapolis, Maryland.
ted nugent
Oh, Maryland, where no one's allowed to have a gun, by the way.
unidentified
Maryland.
jamie vernon
I walked into a newsroom and shot a bunch of reporters.
ted nugent
Jesus Christ.
How much you want to bet it was a gun-free zone?
joe rogan
Annapolis newsroom, shooting leaves five people dead, suspect in custody.
A newsroom?
Yeah.
ted nugent
So there's my point.
So I'm in a newsroom, and I'm ready to rock.
I'd rather be sitting where you are, but I figure you got me covered.
My point is that the cat is already out of the bag.
It's not too late.
Columbine guys, glaring signals, red alarms going off over.
Virginia Tech guy, red alarms going off for years.
joe rogan
Well, the Columbine thing is a difficult one because it really hadn't happened before that.
No one expected it.
ted nugent
But the parents walked through the garage for three years where the bomb-making materials were on the table.
joe rogan
Yeah, they weren't the best parents in the world.
ted nugent
And these guys were like zombies.
These guys were like zombies.
Doper freaks from Banzai Zululand maniacs.
Well, he's just different.
No, he's not.
He's freaky.
We need to sit down with this guy and get him some help.
The Aurora guy told his psychiatrist, my goal is to shoot as many people as possible.
And the psychiatrist didn't say anything.
joe rogan
Really?
ted nugent
It's on record.
He said in numerous visits with his psychiatrist that he had threatened.
His goal in life was to kill as many people as possible, and he's now got his new AR-15 to do it with.
And the psychiatrist didn't say anything.
I've studied this stuff.
We need to not only see something, say something, we're missing the part.
The final part?
Do something when this kind of aberrant, threatening, violent, red alarm behavior is going off.
Intervene.
Sit down with this kid at the first instance.
When your kid comes home all glassy-eyed and goofy and incommunicable and showing weird signs like the Sandy Hook guy did all his life and the Aurora guy did all his life and the Parkland guy zombie, you know, staring like a...
Wouldn't blink in a sandstorm.
Somebody's got...
I know I would.
I mean, in my life, whether it's musicians or family members, I go, are you all right?
What is going on?
You look like you're going to shit yourself, man.
Are you okay?
unidentified
What are you doing?
joe rogan
But even if you have that conversation with somebody like the psychiatrist did to the Aurora shooter, I mean, how do you fix these people?
I mean...
What you're saying is, if you have no gun-free zones and people are allowed to have guns, at least they'll have an ability to defend themselves.
I agree with you.
I agree with you on that.
But how do you stop it from happening in the first place?
The anti-gun people say the way to stop it is to have no guns available to civilians that can do things like this.
ted nugent
Virtually impossible.
A virtual impossible.
joe rogan
So what we're dealing with is just pragmatically, when you look at 300 million people and probably 400 million guns.
ted nugent
Well, you haven't counted mine yet.
joe rogan
I mean, how many guns?
Yeah, for every guy like you that has hundreds of guns, you know.
ted nugent
I have almost everybody I know has hundreds of guns.
He doesn't like them, man.
I got hundreds of arrows.
joe rogan
I have four.
ted nugent
I have dozens of guitars.
We need to be a more assertive, aggressive, compassionate, aware society.
And when we see these glaring indicators, we're never going to stop at all.
There's always going to be evil in our lives.
And you can't stop it.
Hence, you should be armed and prepared.
And if you're not comfortably being armed, by all means, don't be.
If you don't want to...
Like I saw the debate Bill Maher saying, well, you can't expect every teacher to have a gun.
I go...
Who's ever recommended that?
That's what the anti-gun people always go.
Everybody should have a machine gun and just shoot at everything.
Yeah, that's a pretty good...
That quote for quote what I recommended.
I mean, they go to the deep end every time.
joe rogan
Well, they're trying to make fun of the proposition that people should be armed to protect themselves against killers.
ted nugent
There are people I know everywhere.
Teachers...
Grocery store baggers.
Name a walk of life.
My welding buddy, my mechanic, my dentist, my doctor.
joe rogan
Your doctor strapped?
ted nugent
Yes!
I mean, they're pragmatists.
They're utilitarian.
They're self-sufficient.
When did that become...
Undesirable to be self-sufficient and capable.
joe rogan
I don't think that's the problem.
I think what we're saying is that we have such a gun problem.
There's so many people and so many guns that people just want to somehow or another diminish the numbers.
ted nugent
Joe, we do not have a gun problem.
When I was growing up, we had guns in school.
During the season, rifles, shotguns were brought and put in your lockers.
There was unlimited, ubiquitous access to firepower throughout my youth.
No school shootings.
Something else has happened, and it has a lot to do with Big Farm and the irresponsible knee-jerk bandage on a gaping wound of a child showing, you know, uppity, childlike behavior, and all of a sudden they Prozac them and they're riddling them.
This stuff turns you into a zombie.
My dear, dear blood brother, Cliff Davies.
unidentified
Wow.
ted nugent
The greatest drummer on the planet.
Listen to what he did on the Ted Nugent album and the Cat Scratch Fever album and the Free For All album and the Weekend War.
I mean, this guy was a god of musicality.
He became depressed and was prescribed.
And the incidence of people being prescribed mood controllers and emotion controllers and depression controllers, the incidence and the consistency with which they attempt to go cold turkey and kill themselves.
Your brain becomes changed.
It becomes altered.
Your logic meter is off-duty with this pharmaceuticals in your system.
Cliff came home, decided to get off the Prozac, walked out into the yard screaming, throwing his clothes out the window, and shot himself in the head.
And Aurora guy, they're all on something.
joe rogan
It's true.
ted nugent
And mothers and fathers out there, Discipline is the answer, not pharmaceuticals.
Conversation is the answer.
Probing, parenting is the answer.
Like I said, when I was growing up, we had a cuckoo's nest.
We had Eloise, and people showed dangerous and antisocial behavior.
You intervened, and you put them in an institution.
Even that was a mistake because it was always a chemical response instead of a compassionate response, a loving response.
joe rogan
Well, some people need a chemical response, right?
Some people do.
Some people are fucked in the head.
ted nugent
Yes, you do.
joe rogan
You have to do something.
ted nugent
Absolutely.
joe rogan
And then there's the argument that there's a lot of people that take these pharmaceuticals and they have no violent outbursts, which I agree with too, but the people that do have violent outbursts are almost universally on something.
ted nugent
Universe, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you look at the numbers, and I've said this many times, and I don't think we have a gun problem.
I think we have a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem.
ted nugent
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Because whether it's someone driving a truck into a crowd of people, that's the same thing.
ted nugent
Do you think after...
42 calls to the Sheriff's Department threatening to shoot the school and three to the FBI. Do you think the Parkland shooter should have been visited a little earlier than after 42 and three calls of threatening to shoot up the school?
Do you think the authorities should have the right to go visit this kid, meet with his parents, and get the guns out of there?
Don't you think when you say, I am going to shoot up the school, in my world, that would be good enough to disqualify that person from owning a gun?
joe rogan
I agree with you.
I don't know what the circumstances were with the Parkland kid, and I know that the FBI did visit him on one occasion, right?
ted nugent
That's not good enough.
joe rogan
I don't know what they...
ted nugent
It's not like he was, you know, peeing on the Alamo and just being a dirtbag.
He was threatening to kill as many people as possible.
That, to me, is enough information to disarm the guy and probably institutionalize him or even take him in for review to a psychiatric ward at that point.
You can't say, I'm going to kill people.
You can't say that!
joe rogan
Are you comfortable with a world where there's so much gun violence that everybody just has to be strapped?
Or is there a way?
ted nugent
The last thing, I've said it a hundred times, I'm going to say it again on the Joe Rogan podcast, write it down.
I do not want everyone to carry a gun.
I do not want everyone to own a gun.
I don't want everyone to hunt.
I don't want everyone to have an 850 horsepower Ford Bronco.
I don't want everyone to go on the Joe Rogan podcast.
There is a time and place for individuality and individual choices, and many people will always be uncomfortable, you know, taking a hook out of a fish's lip.
So don't go fishing!
And if you don't feel comfortable around guns, by all means, just don't have one!
But those of us that have a hint of warrior instinct and rugged Boy Scout being prepared desire Don't disarm us.
We're your best friend.
And they're everywhere.
Those teachers in all these school shootings, there were teachers that would have had a gun, but they were forbidden to.
joe rogan
And there are instances, and this is something that people that are anti-gun don't like to talk about, but there are instances where trained shooters have stopped mass shootings and have stopped someone killing people.
They've happened more than once.
ted nugent
And let me comment on the training.
Well, as long as I get training, let's squash that myth.
Big old fat Jewish lady in New York City back in the 60s.
She was robbed at gunpoint and knife point over and over again.
Remember when they had like 2,000 murders a year in Manhattan?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
It's just runaway mayhem.
She was getting upset.
She wanted to get a pistol.
She went to the police station.
I need to get a permit.
Well, I'm sorry.
We don't give permits for guns.
But I've been robbed all these times.
I'm scared.
He comes back all the time.
Guns, points gun, wants my money.
I'm sorry.
You can't have a gun.
So she was frustrated.
This was a documented case.
And so she went to Uncle Joe.
Uncle Joe, I'm scared.
I need a gun.
This guy keeps, he's going to kill me.
So Uncle Joe got her a revolver.
She, I don't like it.
Just put it under the cot.
I don't like it.
I'm scared of it.
I don't like guns.
Never fired it in her life.
No training.
Had no idea.
But she knew which end the bullet came out of.
Next time she was robbed, she shot the son of a bitch.
She knew what to do.
She knew what was the trigger.
No training.
She won.
Shot the guy that was threatening her life.
Now they put her in jail.
Initially, it's like, you know, Bernie Goetz defending his life, but eventually the charges were dropped because it was clear and present she was defending herself from an engineered recidivistic Write that down.
Engineered recidivistic.
The system, knowingly and intentionally, lets out knifers and stabbers and rapists and murderers and child molesters.
They keep letting them out.
Those are the people, 96% of the time, that commit the violent crimes.
joe rogan
But when you say engineered, do you think they do that because of prison overpopulation or lack of funds?
Or do you think they do it because they want society to be dangerous?
ted nugent
I can't imagine the motivation.
I can't imagine.
joe rogan
Don't you think it's just incompetence?
ted nugent
Absolutely.
Incompetence.
joe rogan
And a diffusion of responsibility for the individuals.
ted nugent
Yep.
Bureaucratic, institutionalized irresponsibility.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
And corruption and abuse of power.
They don't want to deal with it.
joe rogan
And a lack of resources.
unidentified
Yeah.
ted nugent
Cut him a deal.
He only shot three people.
Let's get him on jaywalking.
Okay.
Cut him a deal.
He only served six years of his life sentence for killing those people.
I mean, it happens all the time!
And that guy's on the street and he kills somebody.
He goes, I can't believe it.
He had an arrest record going back to his youth and it was 100 pages long.
I can't believe you let him out.
Well, we let him out.
We knew he killed people.
In fact, he stabbed two people, but he missed the artery, so we're going to let him out and see if he can study anatomy enough and get a good stab next time.
Our court systems are a joke.
Our prison system is a joke.
I mean, if somebody stabs somebody, do you want him on the street with you?
If he stabs somebody, you are killing that person.
You're just shitty at it.
If you shoot at somebody and you miss, that's murder.
You're just bad at it.
If you're willing to throw a bullet at a human being, I want him in a cage forever, or better yet, dead right there and then.
If he's capable of taking an innocent life, I want him out of the gene pool.
I don't believe in, how did I put it in that one interview?
I don't believe in repeat crime, repeat criminals.
I believe in dead criminals.
If someone threatens innocent life, get them out of here.
I really believe that.
And you know who the best person to make that decision is?
The person about to get stabbed.
The lady about to get raped.
The guy about to get shot at.
joe rogan
This all makes sense.
I mean, I feel what you're saying.
I think the real problem is, why does it happen in the first place?
ted nugent
Because we're a society that doesn't respond to alarming signals in the hope of not hurting feelings instead of saving lives.
It's a liberal mantra of feel-good Inaction versus tough choices and harsh choices that will actually save lives.
joe rogan
Don't you think it's also a lack of resources, too?
And a lack of...
I mean, these people that are interviewing these psychos before they snap are not really psychologists.
ted nugent
Based on my tax bill, I think they have the resources that's just mismanaged and wasted.
By the way, while we're doing this, can I hit the bathroom real quick here?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Go ahead.
ted nugent
Before I squirm right out of here.
unidentified
Go ahead.
joe rogan
You know where it is.
We'll be right back.
We'll stay, yeah.
Amazing, you're walking fantastic on those robot knees, man.
It's crazy.
It's amazing how few people can hold their piss.
unidentified
Sometimes it comes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
He's got two waters down.
joe rogan
Yeah, he slammed two waters.
This shooting happening while he's on is so appropriate.
I mean, it's so crazy that this is the time.
So this is a newsroom?
Do they have a motivation for this guy?
unidentified
No motivation.
jamie vernon
He's being interrogated right now is what I just read.
joe rogan
It's amazing that these guys, they get captured, but they don't get killed.
Like the Parkland kid and a lot of these people, how are they not killing these people when it's happening?
jamie vernon
Supposedly a white guy in his 20s.
joe rogan
Is it some fake news thing?
I mean, he shot reporters, you know?
jamie vernon
Until the interrogation comes out, I feel like it's not fair to say, but there are people pointing at things that have been in the news recently.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck.
It's just so much.
I mean, I hear what Ted's saying, that you should be able to defend yourself.
And I agree.
Like, if you were in a grocery store somewhere and some guy came in shooting and you had a gun, I would want you to be able to defend yourself.
I want you to be alive.
I agree with you.
I get that.
But is that the only way?
I mean, or is it just what we have to do right now?
I mean, I don't know what anybody on the other side wants, other than taking away everyone's guns.
But if you take away everyone's guns, how are you possibly going to do an audit of 300 million guns in this country?
How are you going to find all the illegal ones?
How are you going to find all the stored ones?
And then there's that old cliche, if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
I mean, it's almost like the same thing we're talking about in terms of legalizing and illegal drugs.
When drugs are legal, they can be taxed and you can make sense of the situation.
You can have treatment centers.
The stigma of, you know, the appeal of them, of doing something you're not supposed to do is no longer there.
And then you're not funding these illegal organizations.
Organizations like, you know, the cartels in Mexico or...
Back when it was organized crime in America for alcohol, when the prohibition was going on.
I don't think that you're going to be able to take away all these guns.
But I don't know what the argument...
I would like to talk to somebody who has an argument that you could do it.
Because I know they did it in Australia, but Australia is so small.
And by the way, you can get guns in Australia.
People use guns there for hunting all the time.
So guns are available and occasionally they do have gun violence.
But they had like one mass shooting in the 1990s in Australia and they just banned all the guns.
But Australians are...
they're a different culture too.
Like this fucking culture is gun happy from all of our movies and television shows and the solution is always like bang bang bang like shooting people is a part of the solution.
You know, I don't know.
I don't know man.
I just, no one has an answer.
No one on that side, no one on this side.
Every answer has holes in it.
You laughing?
What happened?
unidentified
Nothing like a good piss I always say.
ted nugent
God I love that.
joe rogan
I always say, too.
This conversation about guns, I don't see an answer.
I really don't.
I don't see an answer.
Ultimately, I'm all for responsible gun ownership.
I have guns.
I've hunted with guns.
I believe in gun ownership.
But how do you stop gun violence?
And I don't know what the answer is.
And I think this is ultimately what everybody is trying to find.
We were talking about, when you were gone, the Australians, where they banned guns because of one mass shooting, and they've never had a mass shooting since.
ted nugent
Yeah, but their gun crime continues to go up and down based on other social factors.
joe rogan
And there's not many of them.
There's only 20 million people in their entire country.
ted nugent
You know, I would like to address probably the glaring beast in the room of America.
You're 50-something, right?
joe rogan
50. 51 in August.
ted nugent
I'll be 70 and I've had a pretty good radar.
I've got a pretty good absorption factor of information, evidence, experiences, ideas, opinions, activities.
What the hell happened?
That would allow Americans, so many of us, to become so evil that we want to hurt each other and kill each other.
joe rogan
And kill children.
ted nugent
And rob and molest.
joe rogan
They want to make the biggest impact.
They want to hurt the most people because they're hurting.
ted nugent
Where did that...
Delineation from a post-World War II celebration of the freedoms that motivated our armed forces to defeat the worst evil on the planet, the Japanese slaughterers and the Nazi devils.
That it was our constitution and our individual rights that motivated these guys to fight harder.
And you know, as a martial artist, you have to see beyond the contest.
And it's almost like you don't make your hit where you want to hit.
You want your hit to go past where you want to hit.
We were a united nation in 1946, 1947, and certainly right, 48 when I was born.
And Detroit was the work ethic, productivity epicenter of planet Earth, universally known.
We were the war machine that built the tanks and the bombers and the planes and pride of ownership.
And you got up early and you busted your ass to be the best that you can be and you kept your yard good and you kept your house clean and you earned your own way and it was an embarrassment not to earn your own way.
And you save for a rainy day, and you live within your means, and you discipline yourself.
My upbringing wasn't poverty.
I was never in need.
But you couldn't drink a whole Coke.
You couldn't buy something because you wanted it.
You needed some socks.
You probably got them for Christmas.
And if I wanted an arrow, I had to go to pick up garbage and try to sell golf balls back and get deposits on bottles and cans and cut lawns.
Got to work for it.
Yeah.
There was the rugged individualism, the self-sufficiency, the neighborliness, the giving and caring and You know, it did take a village.
It started with family, but you cared about your neighbors and you watched over each other.
And then I saw, with all due respect, when the beatniks and the dope and then the hippies and the disconnect and a carelessness erupted and a meanness.
I started seeing...
More meanness and anger and disconnect.
And then, after whether it was the New Deal or the Great Society, which kind of incentivized not being the best that you can be, and you can actually stay home and get a check, and the unions would negotiate not on quality automobiles, but money that May or may not be there, but we'll get you some more money and you can make Chryslers that won't even start.
You can't even drive them!
They're such a pile of shit.
And I saw this Detroit go from this glowing...
Epicenter of goodwill and decency and work ethic to liberal Democrats scamming people and bribing people for votes by getting you something you didn't earn.
And then all of a sudden, the city burnt down and there were couches in the street and refrigerators on the lawns and it just turned into a lump of shit.
And it breaks my heart.
I go downtown Detroit now and building the beautiful architecture still boarded up from the 67 riots.
I took my kids down for the 42nd anniversary of the Amboy Dukes, and I wanted to show them this beautiful city I was raised in and what happened to it.
And almost for dramatic effect, almost like Cecil B. DeMille was directing a scene for me to emphasize how deteriorated Detroit got.
Here's this guy on the sidewalk with his pants down taking a dump.
In the middle of the afternoon!
And I go, well, I didn't actually hire that guy.
That's really what's happened here.
So, if you allow your society to crumble before your eyes without intervening and going, hey, you can't do that!
Hey, you can't do that!
And I've done it with my musicians all my life.
I go, goddammit, we were really rocking last week and now you're all stoned and can't even wake you up!
joe rogan
But don't you think that when you're talking about 1946, the United States, we were all...
Against the Nazis and the Japanese, we were united in the fact that our lives were threatened, the world's future was threatened, and people felt like they had a purpose.
ted nugent
Purpose.
joe rogan
Do you remember, I was in New York right after September 11th, and something happened, a friend of mine fainted, and we had to call the fire department, you know, EMT showed up, and the respect of And the happiness that people had when they saw the first responders.
And I was like, this is fascinating because I lived in New York before.
ted nugent
A high point.
joe rogan
It was a high point because people had felt what it was like to be attacked, to be at war.
I mean, that was what the attack in the Trade Center or the Twin Towers was.
We were at war.
unidentified
Powerful.
joe rogan
And they felt this and they felt united because of it.
And when these people showed up to help They were excited to see them.
They were like heroes.
They treated them like real heroes.
And I was like, this is a different feeling than anything I've had before.
And I had to imagine that this was probably what it was like in the United States in the 40s when we were in the middle of the war.
ted nugent
I think you're right.
joe rogan
When people were united, working together to make sure there was enough scrap metal and enough rubber, and they were carpooling so that they have enough raw materials to create...
ted nugent
Keeping twine and rubber bands for the war it caused.
Sacrificing for the benefit of their society.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they felt like there was something real going on.
Whereas when there's no threat and no worries, I think people get lost.
I think, especially people with no discipline.
Not everybody, of course, but there's a tendency to get lost.
Then there's a tendency for people to take advantage of those people that are lost and say, it's not your fault, it's the government's fault.
And the government needs to pay you, and the government needs to help out.
ted nugent
So wrong.
joe rogan
But there's this very strange tendency that people have.
ted nugent
And also, if I may exalt, here I am with Joe Rogan.
We never met.
I didn't know much about him.
Everybody was bombarding me.
He said, you've got to go on Joe Rogan.
The guy's reasonable, sensible, smart, and funny, and he's promoting hunting now.
And I go, well, motherfucker, sounds like my boy.
Let's go do this.
You have to admit, with intelligent, conscientious, well-formulated prioritization, 2018, we can go on and on about the problems in the world.
Do you know that I'm the happiest motherfucker with the greatest band, the greatest crew, the greatest family?
Love my TV show and New York Times bestsellers and successful to some degree and the things I pursue and my passions.
And I'm doing your show.
We're talking about important issues.
And I have danger zone people that come backstage and we raise money for charities every night.
Do you know, Joe, that I can't find a dirt bag?
joe rogan
In your circle.
ted nugent
I don't know, but it's a pretty big circle.
joe rogan
But your pretty big circle is...
ted nugent
Yeah, and I walk down the streets here, I go to Starbucks and get a coffee.
Hey, Uncle Ted!
They pay for it for me.
And love, Spirit of the Wild!
Thanks for standing up for our freedoms!
God bless you!
I can't find a dirt bag.
I'm sure I could.
But here's a salute on a Joe Rogan podcast to all those people out there That do intelligently and responsibly prioritize.
And they bust their ass because they're out there.
There's monster armies of working hard, playing hard shit kickers who sacrifice and take risks and try to start a new business and fall down in the arena and stand up and brush themselves off and get back at it.
Those are the people that I want to talk to right now because they're the best of the best.
Don't back off Friction.
Don't back off discomforting encounters, whether it's your kid, because I've got buddies.
Kids die to fentanyl.
Great families.
joe rogan
That fentanyl shit is fucking horrible.
ted nugent
Oh my God, I'll cry for you.
And you take them in your arms and they didn't do anything wrong.
And they're burying their fucking kid.
Did you confront him?
Are you telling me you didn't see this, man?
Here's my alert to people listening to the Uncle Ted and Uncle Joe boogie.
Look harder.
Be more assertive.
If something doesn't look perfect, look into it.
And if there's needy people, instead of giving them money, because they're going to probably buy drugs or alcohol, and they're probably going to die.
If you make a donation to most homeless people, you're helping kill them.
They're not going to buy good shit with it.
And badger your elected employees.
We need to have mental health facilities.
What are you wasting money on?
You don't need to find out the sex life of a turtle.
You need to take those billions of grant money that you're blowing right now for some jack-off, and we need to address the mental health homeless, truly needy, not the greedy, not the scammers who are able-bodied and they just like to stay home, the people who have mental issues and physical issues, and that Donald Trump has finally got a point in time where you can fire a veteran administration and that Donald Trump has finally got a point in time where you can fire a veteran administration scam
doesn't show up for work, and absconds on revenues that could have got a couple wheelchairs for a legless Marine.
Now we can fire the bastards.
So there is upgrade happening.
But those that do know and do care...
Know more, care more, and demand answers, whether it's your family member.
How come you didn't show up at the family event?
What are you doing?
Are you high?
Are you using?
What are you doing?
I think if we start family, neighbors, and don't be afraid to tell your neighbor, you know, I saw your son the other day who's passed out at the curb.
I don't think we intervene like we did back when I was growing up.
Nobody would have tolerated that shit when I was growing up.
They would have sounded the alarm, and I don't think there's enough of that.
Neighborliness.
Not being afraid to hurt feelings.
Well, it's none of your business.
Well, you know, it is my business because you're my neighbor and the guy just shitting my lawn.
I mean, I don't think we're aggressive enough.
I come from a world of aggression.
Not being a prick about it, but asking questions.
At some point, you might have to shrug your shoulders and go, well, he doesn't want any help.
There's nothing I can do.
But I tried.
joe rogan
But you like conflict.
ted nugent
I don't like it, but I like to eradicate it.
I like to intervene to reduce conflict.
joe rogan
But you know that the way you express yourself is entertaining, but it's also polarizing.
Sure.
Sure.
And you invite this sort of...
ted nugent
Not intentionally.
I think by being a pragmatist, you're going to invite conflict, because some people don't like to hear this shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Some people don't like to hear this shit, but the style in which you talk, like even when you're debating Piers Morgan, you're very powerful with the way you describe things, and you get people that want to argue back with you.
ted nugent
It's time for that.
Because I think the gentleman's approach, Mitt Romney and John McCain, you didn't represent nothing.
The reason Donald Trump won is because finally the shit-kickers, who work rough and tumble, those construction guys outside the Four Seasons.
I stand at the Four Seasons.
How cool is that?
They're busting their ass.
They're getting up early and they're working hard and they go throw back a few beers and have a little barbecue at night.
These are the guys I'm talking about and talking to.
And And they're the ones who voted for Donald Trump, finally, because he came out, he wasn't afraid.
He sounded like a shit-kicker.
joe rogan
Well, he sounded like them.
ted nugent
Sounded like us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There was a real problem that we have in this country with people that are career politicians, and he was really the first guy.
ted nugent
That's the problem.
Career politicians is the problem.
Status quo.
You know, Donald Trump isn't perfect.
I like imperfect.
Imperfect is cool.
You and me are good examples.
But he came in swinging a crowbar to this horrible status quo that can best be described as, well, he's not presidential.
You're goddamn right he's not presidential because all these presidential guys got us into this mess because they were so cautious and they didn't want to ruffle any feathers.
We want to have a big tent, including all the bad guys and people that don't believe in secure borders.
What's that?
And people that don't believe in earning your own way.
What's that?
People that don't know the difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration.
What's that?
So the shit kickers finally saw somebody busting the status quo.
You're damn right he's not presidential, because presidential got us into this train wreck, and we're done with it.
So the Republicans better be paying attention, because if you're status quo-y, we're not voting for you.
If you come in swinging, you don't have to be rude, you don't have to be screaming, you don't have to be condemning, but you have to be honest and forthright and sound like somebody, you'd have a beer with it, a barbecue.
And if you sound like a shit kicker and one of us working hard playing on Americans, and you address our concerns, we'll vote for you.
If you don't, we're going to stay in our tree stand in November, which is what happened traditionally.
That's why Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, with 800,000 hunters, won it for Trump, because we are a hunter's We're good to go.
The Democrats have been lying to me.
The Democrats have been scamming me.
I'm voting for Trump.
He's a status quo wrecker.
Yowza.
joe rogan
When you say, like, lying and scamming, what are your examples?
Like, what do you mean?
ted nugent
Good grief.
joe rogan
But, like, what gets to you?
Like, what is the thing that when you think of Democrats and you think of lying and scamming, what do you think of?
ted nugent
You don't need to read this!
unidentified
You need to sign it to find out what's in it!
ted nugent
Nancy Pelosi on the House floor with this huge, voluminous health care bill actually said you don't need to read it.
You need to cite it to find out what's in it.
unidentified
Wow!
ted nugent
You don't remember that?
joe rogan
No, I don't.
ted nugent
Holy shit!
joe rogan
That sounds pretty ridiculous.
ted nugent
She said it!
And then watch her try to form a sentence.
Watch Maxine Water desperately search for a syllable.
Listen to the words out of their mouths.
joe rogan
Well, did you see what she did?
ted nugent
They're freaks.
joe rogan
Did you see this thing that she was calling out for people?
Did you see anyone in the administration having dinner?
ted nugent
Yes, including Ted Nugent.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
Bring it on, assholes.
joe rogan
To disrupt and cause a crowd and tell them that you're not welcome?
That's an insanely irresponsible thing to say.
ted nugent
That's treacherous.
Every one of my promoters have death threats because they dare to hire me.
Every one of my bandmates and my crewmates, some guys that are building this wonderful Bell amplifier, they just showed a picture on their website with me testing their new amplifier, and people attacked them and threatened to kill them because they're working with the coward animal murderer.
You're the gun nut.
I'm a gun nut.
I'm also a screwdriver nut, too.
joe rogan
But that's what I'm saying about you being this polarizing figure.
The people that aren't thinking deeply into it or listening to everything you say, they hear one thing.
ted nugent
How else can you address it?
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's why I'm asking you.
ted nugent
Well, I'm telling you, you know, Joe, the guys have tried to sound very polite and very non-confrontational.
Got us into this mess.
If you don't believe America needs secure borders, you're the enemy of America.
You need secure...
Who doesn't know you need secure borders?
Nancy Pelosi doesn't.
Hillary Clinton didn't.
Loretta Lynch didn't.
I mean, come on.
These people are freaks.
America First pisses off Democrats.
How can that be?
If it's not America first, then who is it?
joe rogan
I think people think of it as you're denying opportunity to people that live in an impoverished third world country that's connected to us.
ted nugent
No, no, no.
joe rogan
They think of it as racism.
ted nugent
All my ancestors came through Ellis Island and denounced their allegiance to where they came from.
You can still cook Swedish and you can still cook German, but you've got to announce allegiance to where you come from because you're coming here.
unidentified
You have to pledge allegiance to the United States now.
joe rogan
But it's fucking hard for someone to come over from Mexico.
And don't you think that the real problem is that Mexico sucks?
That parts of Mexico suck?
ted nugent
Yeah, overall, yeah.
joe rogan
To figure out a way to help those people, really the only way would be to make Mexico...
So healthy and a great place to live that it's just like the United States.
There's no reason to come over here.
ted nugent
And certainly we have tried.
Our policies have been very generous to those countries.
In fact, we're the only country that has been generous to them.
But the corruption.
joe rogan
Yeah, massive corruption.
ted nugent
The entire Mexican, Guatemalan, all those governments are as criminal as Al Capone in Chicago in 1932. They're so infested by the cartels.
Law enforcement is the cartel.
The military is the cartel.
Yeah, it is.
So the bottom line is we have the right to secure borders.
This is not my opinion.
We in America have the right and the responsibility to secure our borders.
If you think otherwise, you're dangerous.
I want people who need a better quality of life.
I'd welcome them.
I've got buddies that came like that.
My sound man, Frank, went through the seven-year process from Germany, and now he's a legal citizen in America.
Why should someone be able to swim across the Rio Grande and circumvent all that process so we know whether you're going to be an asset or a liability?
It's not rocket science.
Liability or asset?
We want assets.
And that's why our immigration system is horrific, even the legal one.
So I know it's a problem, but we're putting all these resources and man hours into securing the porous border instead of processing those who legitimately would like a better quality of life in America.
But first, we have to differentiate between the protesters who think that we need to turn over...
California, Arizona, and Texas back to Mexico so it can turn into a shithole.
Of course they left Mexico.
They know it's horrible.
That's why they're here.
Why would you come here to get away from a shithole and then turn the place you came to into the shithole?
We have a Constitution.
We have a Bill of Rights.
You need to earn your own way.
You need to work very hard.
If you're in the asset column, I will.
Love you.
If you're in the liability column, I love you if you're having hard times.
But if you have squatted intentionally as an able-bodied individual in that liability column, you are a detriment to America, and you should get the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
That's when you look at it in perspective, the people that are able-bodied Americans that don't do jack shit, and some poor bastard is trying to do anything they can to get here from Mexico to the point where they're literally dying of dehydration, making their way through the desert.
And they would bust their ass if given that opportunity, and it's not fair.
ted nugent
It's not easy.
It's never going to be easy.
joe rogan
It's complicated, right?
ted nugent
But it is doable.
But our priorities as a government are so...
Clustered.
They're so disprioritized that all this effort's going towards, you know, securing the Rio Grande when people are illegally swimming across and jeopardizing their very life and limb when just down a couple miles there's a legal entrance and it might be a pain in the ass.
But you're here with me today, June 28th, 2018. Have you not put up with major pains in the ass as a martial artist, as a comedian?
That's a tough life.
You got your world carved out because you put up with a pain in the ass and you improvise, adapt it, and overcome.
It makes you happier at night.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I was also very fortunate.
I was born in America.
I didn't grow up in an impoverished, crime-ridden community.
I didn't have to deal with gang violence.
ted nugent
But you're certainly not advocating them coming in illegally.
joe rogan
No.
I just think there's got to be a better conversation about this.
And I think that the conversation is that if you oppose these people that are illegally immigrating into this country, that you're a racist.
This is what's going on right now.
ted nugent
My bass player, Marco Mendoza, is a Mexican.
My bass player Johnny Gunnell is a black guy.
joe rogan
But it's simple to call people racist.
Like, people love to do that.
They love to reduce you down to one word.
Isn't that cruel?
It's a denial of nuance.
ted nugent
Well, that's a tsunami of accusations against me.
And I've always made it perfectly clear.
Throughout my 70-year life...
I have always judged by content of character, never by color of skin.
I have to admit, there is a racist element in me because I'm going to expect a black guy to be able to play a better groove than a white guy.
That has been overruled over the years because there's so many white guys that learned from the black masters that now it is raceless.
But growing up, I always figured the black guy would be a better musician.
joe rogan
So you're racist against white people.
ted nugent
Yes, in the early days it was that way.
But nowadays we learn from those black soul artists that were the consummate definitive authority of emotional music.
From the James Brown, the Funk Brothers, and Chuck, and Bo, and Little Richard, and Bebe, and Freddie, and Albert, and all these monster black heroes of everybody's.
And there's not a musician in the world that won't admit that.
But now, because of that influence all these years, the white boys can keep right up there with them.
In fact, in many instances, compared to a lot of the rap and the hip-hop, There's a whole lot of white guys out there.
I think of Joe Bonamassa and Anton Figg and certainly Jason Hartless and Greg Smith and all the guys in Aerosmith and ZZ Top.
I mean, you close your eyes and there's not a Caucasian to be found in these bands nowadays, soul-wise.
So, yeah, the repugnant, dishonest...
The charge of racism is completely...
joe rogan
It's one that you can't shake.
Someone calls you a racist and another people repeat it.
unidentified
I shake it.
joe rogan
I know, but people have called you a racist.
ted nugent
Constantly.
And everybody with a heart and a soul knows I'm not.
You know who the racists are?
People that call me a racist.
Those are the racists.
joe rogan
Well...
ted nugent
And dirt bags to be...
joe rogan
It's just...
It's an unfair thing to do that people like to do because it automatically puts you on the defensive.
You're automatically on your heels and you have to defend this charge against racism by proving you're not a racist, which makes people suspicious that you might be racist.
ted nugent
I don't.
I just live a great life with great people and race, creed, ethnicity, religion, gender, gender confusion.
None of it matters.
joe rogan
What do you think about that?
ted nugent
I think Caitlyn, I think Bruce Jenner went Caitlyn because I beat him in all the races we raced against.
joe rogan
That's what it is?
unidentified
I'm teasing him.
ted nugent
I pray for Bruce, Caitlin.
What a great guy.
joe rogan
Do you call her a girl now?
ted nugent
I will, if that's what she likes.
joe rogan
It's a weird one, right?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Where was this when you were a kid?
ted nugent
Yes.
It's a different arena of thought.
unidentified
Yeah.
ted nugent
And only she can make that choice, and you have to respect that choice.
It's mind-twisting.
joe rogan
Twisting.
And anybody who says it's not, it's not being honest.
It's very strange.
ted nugent
Like Diane Sawyer, God love her, but she had the opportunity of a lifetime when she was interviewing Bruce, and he was saying, you know, for all practical purposes, I'm a woman.
And she said, she should have said, yeah, except for the dick.
But I raced against Bruce.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if she did say it?
ted nugent
I wish.
joe rogan
Just like that?
ted nugent
Oh, man.
But I got to be friends with Bruce when he was the god of manliness.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
You know, the gold medalist on everything.
joe rogan
Cover Wheaties.
ted nugent
The baddest motherfucker that ever hurtled the earth.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
ted nugent
And I raced with him in off-road races and stuff, and I always beat him, which was just shit luck because I was more aggressive.
And he was a great guy, and I suspect she's still a great gal.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I respect anyone's choice to do whatever you want as long as it's not hurting people, and that falls right into that category.
ted nugent
Absolutely.
joe rogan
How many people have come to you that you run into in all your circles and musicians?
ted nugent
I'm a gregarious son of a bitch.
joe rogan
Curious about hunting.
They didn't know where to start.
Because that's one of the things that comes to me a lot.
People are like, I have so many comedians friends.
ted nugent
And this is great, isn't it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And they don't know how to get started.
And I'm like, man, I wish I had the time to take you.
But I don't.
I barely have enough time to go myself.
ted nugent
I've witnessed you articulate it and you're doing a great job.
And I thank you for that.
And I salute you.
And you've made great progress and inroads in that arena of ignorance and presumptuousness.
But I'm very blessed because I'm a loud mouth and I'm alive.
I mean, I'm engaged.
I exercise my duties as we the people to talk about policies and get in the face of my elected employees and hold them to constitutional accountability.
I'm like, I missed the Concord Bridge, so I'm here doing this now.
And I, in my everyday walk at the sushi restaurant, at the gas station, at the feed mill, at the charity event, people are always coming up and they've Those that would hesitate, I guess, never showed up because I never felt any hesitation.
They're always genuinely intrigued, and they express confusion and uncomfortableness, discomfort with the concept of killing game.
But within minutes, when I talk about sustained yield, habitat carrying capacity, just simple, readily understood Earthly logistics.
They go, well, I never thought of it like that before.
Well, they're going to have babies next year, and there's not going to be any new ground.
We're going to have to grow next year's wildlife on the existing habitat, and in most cases, reduced habitat.
But thank God the cougars can live in your backyard, and the bears can live in the cul-de-sac in Pennsylvania, and coyotes will live in your bathroom here.
If you don't lock the doors.
So wildlife has adapted miraculously.
I mean, geese and ducks and turkeys and deer and elk and bear, they're literally everywhere.
Check out Estes Park in Colorado.
I mean, they're landscaping Destructo Derby.
So we don't need to worry about encroaching on habitat because they will adapt and they have wonderful.
And again, more deer.
More elk, more cougar, more bear, more turkey, more geese than ever in recorded history.
And we're slaughtering them by the gazillions every year because they grow gazillions every year.
And once I express it to people like that, and then I inject the inescapable truism, you talk organic.
You talk close to the earth.
Quality, real food.
Is there something better than venison?
Because if there is, I want some.
joe rogan
Well, this conversation is what I'm talking about.
People don't know how to get started.
They hear about that and there's all this talk about organic and, you know, close to nature and being connected to your food, but they don't know how to...
It's pretty easy to start a garden if you have a yard, but to start hunting, there's a great barrier to entry.
ted nugent
There is, but it's easily overcome.
And again, go to my Facebook.
Not to be my Facebook, but I am the glow worm of the hunting lifestyle.
People have always come to me for that.
Because I've always promoted it, and I've never backed down, and almost every interviewer brings it up since the 1960s because it was the tip of the culture war controversial spear.
It really was.
Hunting and guns, those are the tip of the culture war from the beginning because people were moving from urban, self-sufficient hunting, fishing, trapping, earthly lifestyles to the city where they were catered to.
And they didn't hear the chicken squawking, so they didn't feel responsible for its death.
unidentified
Right.
ted nugent
But if you're having cordon bleu, you're a killer!
joe rogan
Yeah, that is the problem.
ted nugent
And when I express that, they go, eh, you got a point there.
And I went, you think?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
So I use blunt street term nomenclature.
Easily identified colloquialisms of modern terminology that is timeless, and it registers with them quickly.
Now, getting over the hump to have access to hunting ground, I also have been effective in educating people on that, because everybody's got an Uncle Joe.
Everybody's got access to some state or federal open ground, and even though the hunting isn't very quality on those public areas oftentimes, If you are willing to pursue what should have inspired you to ask about hunting, and that means to go beyond the beaten path, which is part of the spiritual experience, leaving the modern kush and getting Into a wild area.
I find that a lot of my new baptized hunting, young, old, and otherwise, that they like going deep.
And they will find that deer that's not on the fringes of public ground that have already been, you know, so pressured that they've moved into the interior nucleus of more sanctuary habitat.
And these guys, they almost cry.
They're so happy, even if they didn't get something.
Because I got in there and it took me two hours to get in there.
It was still dark and I was concerned about my safety.
I'd never been that deep in the woods before up in the Manistee National Forest in Michigan or in any wild ground, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, California.
And they said, you're right, Ted.
It's changed my life.
Just watching that deer come down, I forgot to draw my bow.
So it's an immediate aliveness that is rarely available in a modern setting except for great family times, birth, death, sex.
Laughter around a campfire.
joe rogan
Primal moments.
ted nugent
Primal moments, yes.
I call it a prayer for the wild things.
I actually wrote this in the New York Times way back in the, I guess it was the 80s, I wrote a New York Times Sunday Magazine feature.
About my Christmas buck.
And I've written it in all kinds of places, and I'm amazed that people still question whether I'm serious about hunting or not.
Are you kidding me?
I've written New York Times bestsellers, had the number one show on our channel for 30 years almost.
joe rogan
Who questions whether or not you're serious about hunting?
Someone actually questions that?
ted nugent
Yeah, just not sure what it's all about.
joe rogan
Well, they don't know what it's all about.
ted nugent
My statements are just, how can you avoid them?
joe rogan
Well, I mean, there's many people that would hear about you and then immediately go, oh, fuck that guy.
I heard him talk once.
ted nugent
Yeah, he said fuck and he called somebody a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
He did something.
ted nugent
You've never been on the street, really?
You've never been on the street.
You've never heard this language before.
You're a lying sack of shit.
joe rogan
Being this polarizing guy, though, does it get exhausting?
Like, so many people angry at you all the time?
ted nugent
No, it's invigorating.
It's invigorating.
joe rogan
You don't get tired of, like, just constantly doing verbal battle with people?
ted nugent
But I don't.
I don't do battle.
I merely put out the truth, logic, common sense, the science.
It's irrefutable.
It's not my opinion.
I have no opinion on it.
I'm just genuinely at the altar of truth, logic, common sense, and science.
And I share it, and if you can't grasp it, you work on it, and I'm here if you need me.
joe rogan
But you clearly like it.
You like doing these Piers Morgan interviews.
ted nugent
Yes, because without me, who's going to do it?
Their lies will stand.
Their dishonesty and their mean-spirited...
joe rogan
Well, why do you think they have these laws?
Why do you think a guy like Pierce Morgan does...
ted nugent
He's been so removed.
They are so sidified that they think their cordon bleu didn't die.
They think that their pulled pork sandwich...
It came like that.
And within just minutes, an honest person will admit that their tofu salad has a whole bunch of dead ground squirrels in its vapor trail.
But unless I tell them that, nobody else can tell them that.
joe rogan
Well, another thing that's a big blind spot is they don't understand where conservation money comes from.
When you talk to them about the Pickman-Robertson Act, you talk to them about how many billions of dollars every year is generated from sales of ammunition, hunting gear, bows and arrows, and all that stuff.
ted nugent
And we did that.
We self-imposed that.
joe rogan
Before our time.
ted nugent
It wasn't before my time.
joe rogan
What year was that?
ted nugent
Well, the 30s, the Dingle, Robert and Pitsman, that was almost a Teddy Roosevelt thing.
But the real battle cry was in my lifetime.
There was no anti-hunting first 10 years of my life.
It was the concrete jungle acidification removal from the system by which we are sustained that was a convenient disconnect, and you could deny it because you didn't hear the animals die.
You didn't see the blood.
It was nice and cleaned up in the little cellophane package.
joe rogan
And this is new over the last few generations.
ted nugent
Yeah, and that denial metastasized into a cult of Make believe in fantasy.
But to their credit, there is only a lunatic fringe.
I don't believe that the animal rights, even though they've succeeded in California, they run into a dead-end brick wall everywhere else.
Even though in Michigan the dirtbags succeeded in banning the hunting of the number one game animal on planet Earth, the morning dove, where we grow more doves in Michigan than all the quail, pheasant, woodcock, and grouse combined.
joe rogan
That's a weird one, right?
Because doves...
But people have never eaten dove, they don't know they're delicious, and you hear about a dove, you go, wait a minute, that's peace.
You can't shoot peace.
This is an analogy of everything that's wrong in America.
You're killing peace.
You're killing peace.
ted nugent
That's a lunatic fringe, though.
It really is a lunatic fringe.
joe rogan
It's a convenient opinion, because it seems like it's indefensible.
Yeah, you're shooting a dove?
Why would you shoot a dove, Ted?
And you're like, listen, I'm going to cook up some dove for you, and then you tell me why I wouldn't shoot a dove.
ted nugent
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why is it okay to shoot a chicken?
It's not okay to shoot a dove.
Why is it okay to shoot a pheasant?
It's not okay to shoot a dove.
ted nugent
You're much too pragmatic, Joe.
Watch the logic.
You might hurt somebody.
joe rogan
But these conversations don't take place.
ted nugent
Well, they do.
Thank God you've been baptized, because this has a great impact, because your average listener does not come to hear hunting truth.
Your average listener comes to hear smartass dialogue and issue review and intellectual analysis of life's experiences.
All good.
All perfect.
But that you have inflected and injected the truth about conservation-wise use wildlife management is a hallelujah moment, which is why I'm sitting across from you today.
Well, thank you.
Because I value that.
joe rogan
And a lot of it I got, honestly, from people like you that were enthusiastic about it that got me curious.
When I saw how enthusiastic you were about hunting and about the eating of wild meat and how much energy it gives you, I got very curious many years before I ever started hunting.
Good.
I saw a lot of those PETA videos where you see these horrific conditions in factory farms and I didn't want to be a part of that.
I was trying to figure out how to not be a part of that.
And so when I first decided to start hunting, before that I was making two decisions.
I was either I'm going to do this and I'm going to hate it and I'm never going to do it again.
And I'm going to be a vegetarian or I'm going to become a hunter.
And the moment I shot that deer and then we ate it, I was like, oh, I'm doing this forever.
ted nugent
Magic Zuckerberg actually came out and admitted that if he's going to eat flesh, he's going to kill it himself.
joe rogan
He did it for a whole year.
Everything he ate, he killed.
And I think that people would have a better understanding of what their food is.
And when you have these conversations with people, when it comes to animal rights ideas and what should and shouldn't be legal...
Ninety, what?
Five, ninety-seven percent of the people eat meat?
I mean, it's a crazy number.
ted nugent
It's our life support system.
It's protein.
It's food.
joe rogan
And people that think you're just going to stop that, listen, you're going to get a lot of people that aren't healthy.
This is not the way to go.
And if some people want to go vegan and they can pull it off with careful studying of their diet and making sure they're supplementing with all the right things, good luck.
ted nugent
Yep.
joe rogan
Go for it.
ted nugent
Well, you know, you ask how we can initiate this conversation.
After my great hero Fred Bear died in 1987, it was the next year I started the Ted Nugent Camp for Kids, which was a movement forward of what he told me to continue promoting conservation and hunting the way I was.
So I started a charity, 501C3 Charity, the Ted Nugent Camp for Kids, where we run in Colorado, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Iowa.
Every year we've graduated over 16,000 boys and girls between the ages of 7 and 17 from From great volunteers, men and women from every imaginable walk of life that I have to vet because it's got my name on it, but great heroes of law enforcement, military, and just great families.
And we teach them the discipline of archery, the discipline of wildlife management, including if you don't fish a pond, the fish will...
They'll overpopulate and they'll die off.
That you have to harvest a surplus to make room for the next productivity.
And trapping, the importance of trapping, that that's how you keep disease under control.
And that's how you keep value to fur bearers.
And that's how you make really great, great warm clothes.
And atlatls and fly fishing and the meticulous detail and discipline of tying flies and animals.
Being clean and sober and being the best that you can be and self-sufficiency and rugged individualism.
So this has been going on since 1989. And still, you haven't read a word about it in New York Times.
You haven't read a word about it anywhere because they're too quick to condemn me because I'm so good at promoting hunting and gun ownership that they avoid me like the plague.
But the real tragedy is that outdoor life, field and stream, sports and field...
Guns and ammo, all these sporting publications, not a word.
30 years of a wonderful charity created by a household name celebrity about the most important things in life.
They just don't care.
It's so...
I'm mentioning it here on the Joe Rogan Podcast because my volunteers have been doing God's work for all these years.
And plus, people have been very generous.
The She-Car Safaris donate money every year, and people just dig deep and make donations to keep the camp alive.
So if people want to find out about that, then go to my website.
But it's a charity for children about being aware of resource stewardship and hands-on, boots-on-the-ground environmentalism.
If you're going to cut a tree, you might want to plant 50. Simple.
joe rogan
And I know you do a lot of that.
ted nugent
We do a lot of that.
joe rogan
You do a lot of tree planting and you've done it for decades.
ted nugent
Every year since 69. Yeah.
I've got forests in Michigan.
I mean, giant towering forests.
It's fun to kill deer on your own ground.
It's fun to kill deer anywhere.
It's exciting.
It's challenging.
It's all the good things.
But when you do it on your own ground that you earned, it's really special.
But when you do it on the own ground that you earned and you literally built the forest, it's...
It's spiritual.
It's almost like I levitate when I'm in my forest.
joe rogan
Well, I remember you had...
I don't remember who it was.
You had some rock and roll guy on your...
ted nugent
Sebastian Bach, I think, one time.
joe rogan
It was one of the guys, but you were talking about how someone was saying, this is amazing.
I wish I had my own forest.
unidentified
Oh, this is great, yeah.
joe rogan
Who was that?
ted nugent
That was Steven Tyler and Joe Perry.
We're on my face.
joe rogan
You fucking snorted your own forest.
ted nugent
I said, you snorted the Upper Peninsula.
Who are you kidding?
And they did.
You had him on here.
He could have bought one hell of a nice ranch.
Yeah, I'm sure.
joe rogan
And he would admit that.
The life that you live, like, That life, having this, you essentially live in an area in both places, Michigan into Texas.
You hunt in your own environment.
You have your own hunting place.
But it's controversial.
And this is what's controversial about it, the fence.
ted nugent
Well, the Texas property is fenced because I have exotics, so by law.
And why do I have it fenced?
Why do I have exotics?
Because if it wasn't fenced with exotics, those exotics would have probably been extinct by now.
But landowners in Texas, we took the lead from South Africa.
And a lot of people don't know this, Joe.
In fact, I articulated in an upcoming Spirit of the Wild show.
High fence hunting saved wildlife in Africa.
Because the development of agriculture in Africa was in total conflict with the migration of wildlife.
We're talking all those incredible species from Elan and Kudu and Gemsbach and Inyala and Wildebeest and the warthogs and elephants.
They would migrate every year and all of a sudden the migration came to your citrus grove and destroyed everything.
It killed all the wildlife because you want to sell your citrus.
Yeah.
Some of the ranchers who value the wildlife more than citrus, and there's nothing wrong with citrus, they literally said, well, goddammit, every time my herds migrate, only a portion of them come back because all these agri-concerns are destroying, killing the wildlife to protect their agriculture.
So I'm going to fence my 20,000 acres, and I'm going to manage it.
20,000 acres is huge.
Even my spirit wild ranch is 300 acres.
It still has a finite productivity.
Every habitat is finite.
And so they started selling those hunts for the surplus every year of these magnificent wildlife species instead of agriculture.
So those animals are thriving in absolute natural habitat, as is my home ground, Spirit Wild Ranch in Texas.
You must harvest the surplus, fence or no fence.
And mark my words...
People who condemn and criticize high fence hunting is not fair chase are speaking out of their ass.
Ted Nugent hunts more days in an average year than most people will in their lifetime.
I hunt hundreds of days every morning, every afternoon.
The animals have to die.
I must make room for next year's productivity.
joe rogan
In your situation.
ted nugent
In all situations.
joe rogan
But in your situation in particular, because you're only on 300 acres, you have a certain amount of animals and habitat.
ted nugent
But everybody, even outside my fence, you still got to kill them animals too.
joe rogan
But a lot of purists would look at that and go, man, is that really hunting?
I mean, you're in a fenced-in area.
unidentified
Here's my answer.
ted nugent
You ready?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
Lifetime experience hunting, you know, the most difficult animals in the world, the most challenging animals in the world.
joe rogan
Pressured.
ted nugent
Are my pressured animals on Spirit Wild Ranch, on my open 1,100-acre swamp in Michigan.
If I want to shoot a deer, I can 90% plus tell you, with all my different choices of tree stands and my strategies of wind and In habitat and positioning, bait or no bait, just travel corridors.
I've been living there.
I've owned it since 1978. In fact, the one place I've owned since 1970. I have like 20 times the shot opportunity on my open ground than I do on my fenced ground.
My high-fenced hunting and all the high-fenced hunting I've ever had is as absolutely pure, fair chase...
As any wilderness I've ever been to, from the Sudan to Alaska to Saskatchewan to Ontario to Montana to Wyoming to Northern California, it is hunting.
The role the fence plays is zero!
In my killing an animal, it only plays a role in keeping pressure outside so I don't have to shoot that two- or three- or four-year-old buck.
I can wait until he's five, but I still have to kill those fidgety does, and it's absolutely pure hunting.
joe rogan
I understand your perspective.
The way people disagree is that the idea that these animals can never leave.
They're stuck.
They're stuck there, so you know that they're going to be there, which is the difference between that and, like, say, you go into a backcountry hunt, you know, you park your truck in the trailhead and hike in 12 miles.
ted nugent
Which I've done.
Which I do.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure you do.
These animals, you have no idea if they're there or not.
ted nugent
Believe me, a spirit-wide ranch, you have no idea whether they're there or not.
joe rogan
Right, but you know you have a lot of them.
But you know you have a lot of them.
ted nugent
Sure.
joe rogan
It's a different thing to people.
But then again, it's like, do people have a problem fishing in a stocked pond?
ted nugent
Or in a pond that's not stocked, but managed on my property, so that I fish it adequately enough so that the bass get to be 6, 7, and 8 pounds, but I don't let them get stunted.
Same thing.
Those fish ain't going anywhere.
And quite honestly, in those suburban areas and urban areas and even farming across America, those deer are there.
They are there.
And I have no better chance of shooting deer on Spirit Wild Ranch in the high fence than I do hunting the suburbs of Columbus, Ohio, where those deer can go everywhere, except that there is a highway right there.
There's a hospital over there.
There's a school over there.
And there's a neighborhood over there.
And there's a factory over here.
So every habitat has its limitations.
joe rogan
Yeah, I had a conversation with someone about axis deer in Lanai.
We just got back from Lanai.
ted nugent
Awesome.
Overpopulated.
joe rogan
It's crazy overpopulated.
So I said there's 20,000 axis deer and 3,000 people on this island.
And so someone says to me, what's the challenge in that?
I'm like, oh, good.
They're so uppity.
They are wired.
ted nugent
They're the most wired species this side of bongo and I'm going to say mature kudu.
joe rogan
What's a bongo?
ted nugent
Bongo is a huge antelope.
It's actually orange with black and white stripes from the Central African Republic and Cameroon area.
joe rogan
And so they evolved to get away from lions, whereas the Axis deer evolved to get away from tigers.
ted nugent
Yep.
joe rogan
Yeah, just anything that lives around cats, like mule deer, high country mule deer, just switched on, looking for mountain lions.
ted nugent
Well, Michigan deer, because there's, you know, 800. Yeah, they're pressured from the time they're born.
joe rogan
Well, that's the thing about your place in Michigan.
Like, in Michigan, it's very hard to find a large, mature deer.
ted nugent
Not on our property.
joe rogan
No, that's what I'm saying.
ted nugent
We stopped shooting young ones, and all the neighbors agreed, just like they did in Buffalo County, Wisconsin, which is all just decisions by contiguous landowners to not shoot young bucks because somebody shot a 200-inch, and they went, wow, where'd you get that?
And I went, on my farm.
So they knew they were there.
That's why I was so popular, because deer hunting was not popular, and guys were shooting six- and seven-year-old mammoths.
And so the hunters that started deer hunting went, well, I'm not shooting that two-year-old booger buck, because Joe down the road got a...
Got a massive stag.
I'm going to wait for one of them.
And by waiting for them, they do get older and they do have that mysticism of stagness.
joe rogan
And it's better for the population because that guy gets to breed year after year and spread those good genetics.
ted nugent
And let's talk about that, too.
A lot of people go trophy hunting takes out the best genes.
Yeah, right.
No, it does not.
We keep setting records for deer and moose and elk and caribou and bear and mountain lion and antelope every year.
We set world records constantly because our hunting system of being disciplined and waiting for that mature animal, our hunting system has produced the healthiest, most monstrosity specimens in the history of record-keeping ever.
Every year!
So we're not hurting anything by being disciplined and patient, which I've learned over the years, and my son is very adamant about, and so many hunters are.
There's a mysticism to that mature stag.
The breeders of our ancestors were the best hunters, and they did the breeding because they were more resourceful and more Intelligently connected to the system by which we fed the tribe.
So those killer stag hunters were always the leader of tribes.
And it's still that way today, I'd like to think.
joe rogan
And also, this pursuit of bow hunting, which is more difficult and more rewarding because it's more difficult, is many levels more difficult when you're chasing after a 200-inch buck.
ted nugent
So important.
joe rogan
Because this is a six, seven-year-old animal that's been avoiding mountain lions and bears and whatever else is trying to eat it for years and years.
This thing is switched on.
They take very clever paths.
They let the does and the fawns wander out first and they lay back and a lot of them go nocturnal.
ted nugent
They come out about midnight and go back to bed around one hour.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ted nugent
Now, there is a variance there.
In South Texas, where age management was created, because they supplement and they got center pivot agriculture down in the deserts of South Texas, and that genetic is a very fortified genetic anyhow.
200-pound deer are not that rare.
A lot of people think all deer in Texas are little, but they're not.
And if you let them grow, which Texas pretty much pioneered, those bucks in South Texas are Are the easiest deer on the planet to kill.
There's a couple of dynamics.
There's just some strange genetic lineage there that they're a calmer animal.
Plus they're on wide open, vast, private ground, which means they don't get the public hordes of pressure.
And once that buck is a button buck the first year, nobody shoots at them.
So he encounters, he smells that person, he sees that person, he hears that person, no problem.
Second year, he had a little booger buck.
He ran into people.
Nobody messed with him.
Third year, he's got a nice little rack.
He still ran into people.
No problem.
There's some corn here.
This is where the wheat field is.
Yeah, I smell that guy, but, you know, three years, he's never bothered me.
I'll just keep eating.
Fourth year, same thing.
So they reduce their fear factor of the encounter with humans because nobody shot at them.
Because they're not going to shoot at them until they're sick.
joe rogan
Is that natural?
Right.
Wouldn't that be considered?
Like, that's weird.
It's almost like this is a pet or a farm animal.
ted nugent
Well, I don't know about that.
I mean, it's just a relaxed animal that is not pressured.
joe rogan
But not just relaxed, but accustomed to humans.
ted nugent
Yes, but they're still elusive.
You're not going to walk up to them and club them.
Right.
There's some places down there where they get so relaxed that they do hand feed some of the does.
joe rogan
No.
ted nugent
They get so relaxed.
joe rogan
That seems so strange to me.
ted nugent
Well, but everybody's got their own little preference.
I've never thought of wildlife as pets.
I just wouldn't own a deer as a pet.
You're asking for trouble, and it's not natural.
But if that's what you like, have a nice day.
joe rogan
Well, you know, those farms, the deer farms, that's one of the primary ideas of the source of CWD, right?
ted nugent
No.
joe rogan
They think that a lot of it comes from deer farms.
ted nugent
Nope, it came from Colorado Department of Wildlife.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
ted nugent
In 1967, they injected scrapies, which is the sheep version of the spongiform encephalectomy, into the mule deer in 1967, and they got out.
That's where it started.
joe rogan
Why did they inject them?
ted nugent
I cannot imagine bureaucrats being assholes, I suspect.
joe rogan
So they're doing it for some sort of experiment?
ted nugent
I don't know.
You know that sheep were more popular in America than cattle.
There were way more sheep than cattle until scrapies came in, which is that CWD version for sheep, mad cow in bovines and Crutchfeld Jacob in humans.
And, of course, Crutchfeld Jacob was a result the scientists determined by the scientists Crutchfeld and Jacob that the Indonesian people that got this This spongiform condition from a mutated prion because they ate the brains of their conquered enemies, which is never a good idea!
So I'm aware of all this stuff, but believe me when I tell you, live on the Joe Rogan podcast, the CWD hysteria is a scam.
More deer are killed in Michigan every year by feral dogs than all the deer ever worldwide by CWD. I think the concern, though, with CWD is that it's spreading.
It's not spreading.
joe rogan
My friend Doug, his farm in Wisconsin, they're just starting to test positive for CWD. You know why?
ted nugent
Because they're looking for it.
joe rogan
Well, it's not just that.
They were looking for it before, but they think that it's come from animals that get out of these high-fence farm operations where they all feed from the same trough and they spread this from there.
ted nugent
I think there's no evidence to support that.
Dr. James Crow just testified with me in front of the Michigan Natural Resource Commission and Department of Natural Resources, and all the exhaustive studies have concluded that CWD cannot be cross- A species.
You can't get it by eating...
joe rogan
A person can't get it.
ted nugent
A person can't get it.
They had macaw monkeys get it, but that's because they injected massive quantities into the brain of the macaw monkey.
Otherwise, they couldn't get it.
But CWD, Wisconsin spent $70 million.
I'm not making that number up.
Wisconsin spent $70 million, tried to eradicate certain herds, which is a virtual impossibility, by the way.
And even if you were successful, the mutated prion, they stay in the ground, typically through urine.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It becomes a part of plants as well.
ted nugent
There is no evidence whatsoever that CWD has ever compromised a cervid herd.
There's been no reduced seasons even in the epicenter, the endemic area of Colorado and Wyoming, where it started, where it's the most prevalent.
No seasons have been reduced.
No reduced in tags.
No reduced in harvest.
It's inconsequential.
It occurs so rarely.
They've studied the deer for 18 years in Wisconsin, and deer that had CWD 18 years collared and monitored still haven't fawns.
They say it's always fatal.
It is not always fatal.
Go to drdeer.com.
I'm worried about bureaucrats that have scared away hunters in Wisconsin and caused butchers to quit processing deer because of the manufactured hysteria.
CWD is not a concern.
Buicks kill more deer than CWD. The bureaucrats go in and slaughter deer by the thousands.
So if CWD has killed 58 deer in Michigan, which it has, they found, I don't think any of them were fatal.
I think they had to kill them.
Though they did find one in Jackson County, they claim.
I don't believe them.
I just don't believe bureaucrats.
Remember, these are the bureaucrats, Joe, in Michigan that claimed that there were, quote, 5,000 to 7,000 Russian boar running wild in Michigan.
Can we analyze that claim for a moment?
Maybe you can tell me, Joe, what the fuck is a Russian boar?
I'll tell you what a Russian boar is.
It's a male pig in Russia.
There's no such genus as a Russian boar.
It's all...
Wife's tail bullshit!
And that was the official statement by a game agency in Michigan.
Lying sons of bitches.
And then they claimed, and here's another one, so isn't it our moral and spiritual obligation to wisely use the animals we harvest, isn't it?
joe rogan
Yes.
ted nugent
In Michigan, the farmers can slaughter sandhill cranes, which are known as ribeye in the sky, right?
joe rogan
It's supposed to be delicious.
ted nugent
It is.
Farmers in Michigan can shoot sandhill cranes, but by law are not allowed to eat them.
unidentified
What?
ted nugent
Is this a game department you can trust?
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
ted nugent
No, I will not.
unidentified
Wait a minute.
ted nugent
You heard me right.
joe rogan
You're not allowed to eat sandhill cranes.
ted nugent
And this game department is going to try to tell me about wildlife management when they claim there were 6,000 to 7,000 Russian-born.
By the way, let's say there were 5,000 to 7,000 wild pigs in Michigan back when they claimed it in the 90s.
You know how many that would be today?
Show me some game cameras.
800,000 deer hunters in Michigan.
What is there, 10,000, 20,000 game cameras?
It's a lie.
CWD is a lie.
CWD has killed 58 deer in Michigan, so they claim.
The DNR has authorized the slaughter of tens of thousands.
Who's the enemy of the deer hunter?
The bureaucrats are.
I'm telling you, in Michigan, they have lost their souls.
It's a heartbreaker.
joe rogan
I can't understand the rationale for not eating sandhill cranks.
ted nugent
There is none.
joe rogan
What are they saying?
When you shoot them, you have to just let them rot?
ted nugent
You have to bury them.
joe rogan
Or let them rot.
So you're shooting them as a nuisance animal?
Is that the idea?
ted nugent
Even if that's the idea.
But here's the truth.
The guitar player will help.
joe rogan
So they don't have tags.
ted nugent
The guitar player will help out here.
If there's enough sandhill cranes for farmers to shoot, open the season, sell licenses, create a management plan, and show some decency and respect, and let us eat the ribeye in the sky, you stupid bastards.
joe rogan
Yeah, that makes sense.
ted nugent
Now, see, I'm confrontational now because I've been confronted with an offensive, a criminal law that forbids us to utilize God's precious protein.
joe rogan
It's a bizarre world.
That doesn't make any sense.
It doesn't make any sense.
ted nugent
It doesn't make any sense that the morning dove, you know, the picture of the dove on millions of boxes of ammo in Michigan, there's a picture of a dove and it says game load.
But the Michigan DNR will say, oh, no, no, no, that's a songbird.
You can't shoot him and eat him.
It's Planet of the Apes.
joe rogan
And it's from people that don't have any background whatsoever in wildlife or hunting.
ted nugent
Well, but they're trained biologists!
joe rogan
But that's different, right?
And they're influenced by politicians, bureaucrats.
ted nugent
They're liars.
joe rogan
That question, too, of wild boar.
Whenever I go to a restaurant, it says, like, wild boar sausage.
Like, how do you know it was a male?
ted nugent
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's my point.
Why are you calling it a boar?
ted nugent
That's right.
joe rogan
It's a wild pig, but it sounds sexy.
Russian boars.
We have 8,000 Russian boars.
What are they, gay?
They're out there in the woods banging each other?
Where's the girls?
ted nugent
Thank God they're all males.
joe rogan
Maybe that's what happened.
Maybe they did have 8,000 boars, and they're all going, where's the fucking chicks?
ted nugent
But how can the game department use that kind of terminology?
Terminology.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a real problem.
ted nugent
With a straight face.
joe rogan
It's a real problem.
When they speak about it that way, you immediately dismiss what they're saying because they're not being accurate.
They're not being accurate with describing what the animal is.
ted nugent
And you're inclined to dismiss anything they say.
joe rogan
So you're only allowed to shoot those sandhill cranes as a nuisance animal.
You can't shoot them and eat them.
ted nugent
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
ted nugent
And by the way, they're everywhere.
There's plenty of sandhill cranes in Michigan to open the season.
And a lot of people go, a lot of people have talked to senators and congressmen.
They go, well, you can't shoot sandhill cranes.
I went, it's a game bird, you dirtbag!
joe rogan
You need to cook it for them.
I watched the episode of Rinella's show when they were cooking it, and I was like, that looks like a steak.
It's a red animal.
It's red meat.
ted nugent
It's just tragic.
In California, you can't eat mountain lions.
You've got to bury them.
joe rogan
You can't eat them.
So even if you shot one with a depredation permit, you have to bury it?
ted nugent
That's right.
joe rogan
Wow.
ted nugent
That's indecent.
It is indecent.
joe rogan
It's a waste of the animal.
ted nugent
That's why I'm confrontational.
I'm confronting indecency and trying to get some honesty involved.
And you can't do it by backing off and being Mitt Romney-like and bring a doily to a grenade fight.
joe rogan
What's that doily?
ted nugent
I like to bring an 810 warthog to a porker game.
joe rogan
Ted, we just did three hours and like 15 minutes.
ted nugent
I ain't even warmed up.
joe rogan
Just flew by, right?
This time just flew by.
ted nugent
That's because it's a love fest of truth, logic, and common sense.
joe rogan
Well, listen, man, it's been a pleasure to meet you.
ted nugent
Back at you.
joe rogan
Glad to be able to sit down with you and have a good conversation here.
ted nugent
My friends were right.
You do deserve me.
joe rogan
And I think it's a good opportunity for people to get a chance to see you in a long-form conversation rather than these sound bites they could just choose to hate.
ted nugent
Yeah, especially when the sound bites are edited and manufactured.
And let's make it perfectly clear.
I did not avoid the draft.
I did nothing.
joe rogan
Oh, let's go to that.
Kill that music real quick.
Because that was an old school story of an interview, supposedly, that you shit all over yourself.
ted nugent
And by the way, Joe, you know me pretty well in the last three hours.
If I had shit on myself to get out of the draft, do you think for a minute I would deny it?
joe rogan
No.
ted nugent
I would have a riot with it.
joe rogan
What was that about?
ted nugent
I went in and got my draft physical.
By the way, when I went in 1969, I was Superman.
I literally would hurdle Volkswagen bugs.
I was all muscle and sinew.
I was Superman.
I was the most athletic, running, jumping...
I'm a gazelle known to man.
And I went in for my—I didn't know anything about Vietnam.
I didn't know anything about war.
My dad was a war hero, but nobody talked about it.
I never heard of the Bataan Death March.
I graduated from the American education system, so I knew nothing.
And there was all protests around me, but I wasn't really tuned into the protests because I was making music every day.
I mean, just obsessed with the Amboy Dukes.
And playing gigs every night.
And I didn't pay attention.
I never watched a newscast in my life.
But I was given a draft notice and I went down.
I went down and I had my draft physical.
And I passed with flying colors.
And I got a draft card in the mail a couple months later through my mom and dad's house and one Y. Not a deferment.
It's a designation.
I was in Oakland Community College at the time.
So Y was a student designation, I believe.
But I was ready to rock.
I didn't want to go.
I didn't understand.
My buddies were going.
John Brake, my singer, had to go.
Rob Leonard from Amboy Dukes had to go.
joe rogan
So the only way you could have gone is if you dropped out of school?
Is that what it is?
ted nugent
No, it wasn't a deferment.
No, I would have been called any time.
joe rogan
So you could have been called, but you just weren't.
ted nugent
Sure.
And then the Wikipedia claims I got a 4F. 4F! What is a 4F? A 4F means you're physically incapable.
I've never been physically incapable of anything.
So they make this shit up.
And so I did an interview with High Times, which by the way, let's make it clear.
I've done this so many times, but people ignore my actual statements.
So I had been doing interviews all because the Embrydukes were on fire and I was just an outrage on stage with the loincloth and the bow and arrow and the feedback and these killer songs and the band was so good.
Greatest musicians in the world.
So I did interviews all the time talking about the music I loved and they never got anything right.
These stone, dirtbag hippie writers got the guys in the band's names wrong.
They got the facility wrong.
They mentioned songs we didn't perform.
They got nothing right.
And every time I'd read the interview, I'd go, God, we were talking about my music.
You didn't even get the song titles right.
So I started having fun with these interviewers, much to the entertainment of my bandmates, who would break out in hysterics when I'd make up stories because I'm not going to even try to be accurate anymore.
It was an ongoing maneuver of mine.
We'd have these hippie writers come in to take notes, and I'd say, yeah, I play this Fender Stratocaster.
As I hold up my Gibson Birdland, which I was known for, and they'd write down, he played a Gibson Stratocaster.
There's no such thing as a Gibson Stratocaster.
So I was having fun with dirtbag anti-journalists.
So now I'm invited to High Times Magazine, and I was hardcore anti-drug.
So I go in, and this guy is...
So, Ted, tell me about this Amboy Dukes.
Is it like a band?
I went, yeah, it's like a band.
It's almost exactly like a band.
What kind of a question is this?
joe rogan
So how did this conversation get started about the draft?
ted nugent
So anyhow, we started talking about when I'm with the MC5 and the Stooges, and we would party, and I go, yeah, man, I was snorting something.
I don't know what it was, but man, I just got higher than a kite.
And he goes, wow, you think it might have been crystal meth?
And I went, yeah, that's what they called it.
I never snorted crystal meth.
joe rogan
So you just made up some shit.
ted nugent
I just went nuts, and we went into the war thing, and I go, I don't know anything about war.
I'm a guitar player, but...
I went down for my draft physical, and when I went into the booth to give my urine sample, I made sure I ate Mexican food all week.
So instead of pissing in the urine cup, I took a big dump in it.
It was green.
It went all over the place.
And the guy went, wow, really?
Yeah, really.
And so I made up this story for High Times Magazine, you know, the great magazine of good information.
And then it turned out that my drummer, K.J. Knight, God bless him, he actually admitted this and testified, that that's what he did.
We thought it was the funniest thing in the world.
We're teenagers, and this guy went into the draft physical just an absolute near-death lump of shit to get out of the draft.
And we thought it was funnier than hell.
We weren't paying attention to important things in life.
And so the Ted Hating liberal press started quoting the High Times magazine and quoting an ex-girlfriend who claimed that I adopted her.
I adopted my girlfriend.
Have you read that one?
joe rogan
I did read that one.
I forgot about it.
unidentified
What the fuck?
ted nugent
So this kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was like you adopted her so you could take her on tour with you?
ted nugent
No, so I could fuck her.
That's what the story was.
But that's absolutely absurd.
joe rogan
I don't think that's how it works.
unidentified
I don't think it makes it easier to fuck them once you adopt them.
ted nugent
I didn't adopt anybody.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
ted nugent
I never shit my pants since I was, I think...
Eight months old.
I've never been with an underage girl since I was underage.
I'm not a racist.
And what else do they say?
Oh, and they claim that I made Courtney Love blow me when she was 12. I think she claimed that, right?
Yeah, I never met Courtney Love.
You can tell I don't have a rash.
You've just got to be kidding me.
They just make this shit up because they know I'm so good at I'm bringing my basic conservative agenda forward that they have to go full Saul Alinsky and lie and lie and lie.
And if you go to Wikipedia to find out about Ted Nugent, they will repeat these lies.
They're lies.
And every one of those things, if I had done it, I'd go...
Yeah, it was awesome!
But I didn't do any of those things.
joe rogan
Anyone can edit Wikipedia.
ted nugent
It's unbelievable!
joe rogan
It's very strange.
ted nugent
I think she might have edited it, yeah.
So I'm glad we got that.
joe rogan
So this thing has just persisted forever.
Obviously it's stuck in your craw because you wanted to bring it up at the very end here.
ted nugent
No, it doesn't stick in my craw.
It's just it's a fascinating example of the dishonesty and the anti-journalism, agenda-driven...
Anti-American, anti-Ted, anti-Second Amendment, anti-freedom buffoonery that exists.
I think it makes for an interesting podcast exchange.
joe rogan
I think so, too.
ted nugent
It's not in my craw.
It's not even in my universe.
But I notice it.
It's hysterical.
joe rogan
Ted Nugent, ladies and gentlemen.
There you have it.
ted nugent
Full on.
joe rogan
Until next week.
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