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June 18, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1132 - Kyle Kingsbury
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kyle kingsbury
01:07:40
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jamie vernon
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unidentified
When it comes to defending America, it is not enough to merely have an American presence in space. it is not enough to merely have an American presence We must have American dominance in space.
So important.
donald j trump
Very importantly, I'm hereby directing the Department of Defense and Pentagon To immediately begin the process necessary to establish a Space Force as the sixth branch of the Armed Forces.
unidentified
That's a big statement.
We are going to have the Air Force and we are going to have the Space Force, separate but equal.
donald j trump
It is going to be something so important.
General Dunford, If you would carry that assignment out, I would be very greatly honored.
joe rogan
Look at Mike Pence.
Mike Pence has this look on his face like, I'm going to be the president.
This motherfucker's gone completely crazy, and I'm gonna be the president next.
kyle kingsbury
That's his nod of approval.
joe rogan
Look at his face.
He's got the face of a guy who knows he's going to be the president.
Like, if you were about to be awarded something, like if there was some, uh, something you were about to get, and you're like, wow, I worked my whole life for this, and here it is.
I'm gonna get that thing right now.
I'm gonna be the fucking president.
He must be like, this guy is never gonna last eight years, and for sure he's gonna win again.
I'm gonna be the president.
kyle kingsbury
So you think for sure he wins again because, is that because whoever the Democrats decide to put in is gonna be an equal turd sandwich again?
joe rogan
You're a super smart dude, but you're also a brute.
You're a big giant savage motherfucker, right?
So how many people have underestimated you because you're a big giant savage motherfucker?
unidentified
Plenty.
joe rogan
And talk stupid to you?
And act like you were a moron?
kyle kingsbury
I'd say equal street fights, two fights in the UFC. Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people, right?
josh olin
And just people in general.
joe rogan
Like, they'll get snotty.
I'll take Stevie.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm good.
kyle kingsbury
I'm going black.
unidentified
I'm looking like my men.
joe rogan
But I think there's a certain part of us that might be doing that with him.
I don't think he is...
I think he's really good at winning.
This is not an endorsement of him.
kyle kingsbury
No caveats necessary.
joe rogan
I'm horrified by this immigration policy of separating children from their parents.
I think that's subhuman.
kyle kingsbury
His wife came out and said that was bullshit.
joe rogan
Yeah, his wife's an immigrant, bro.
His wife barely speaks English.
It's chaos, right?
It's crazy.
I hate...
I hate all that stuff.
These are just families.
They're just people who love each other.
You've got to keep them together.
If they break the law, you keep them together.
Get them out of here if you want.
I mean, if you want to send them back to wherever they came from, if you're hell-bent on that.
But taking them from their kids is subhuman.
I mean, it's beyond.
It's not us.
It's not what we're doing in 2018. That aside.
All that aside.
He's probably going to fucking win again, man.
I think he's probably going to win again.
I think he gets in these confrontations with people, and they think he's adult.
I don't think he's adult.
I think there's no way he could be as successful as he's been.
I know he's had ups and downs and shit like that, but like...
Just the way he was able to dismantle all those guys in those Republican debates.
kyle kingsbury
He tore him the fuck apart.
Tore him apart.
joe rogan
They had no business.
They had no business doing that with him.
They just were too emotionally tied up in his responses.
There was so much negativity and energy.
It was all this anxiety.
Like a fight where a guy's in full panic.
You know, you've seen street fights, especially, guys just go into full panic.
kyle kingsbury
Or even just talking shit in the schoolyard.
You know, like, one guy's getting bullied, bullies got the crowd watching him, and the other guy's like, well, but, but, you're, you're, fuck you, man.
You know, and everybody's like, oh, that ain't gonna work.
unidentified
You know?
kyle kingsbury
That's kind of, that's what the rest of them look like.
Ted Cruz, that's what they all look like.
joe rogan
He's just been doing this his whole life.
He's been talking shit his whole life.
You know?
And he's got a lot of fucking supporters.
And if the economy keeps doing good, man...
It's gonna be a hard sell to put some guy in there like Bernie Sanders who, you know, all the right-wing people think just wants to give away all your money.
Give away all your money to welfare brats.
kyle kingsbury
Even the left was protecting against that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Right?
Because there's still money on the left.
joe rogan
I should point out, I know jack shit about politics.
This is very important to point out.
Anybody that ever says you shouldn't be talking about politics, that's crazy.
Because anybody should be able to talk about whatever they want.
What I shouldn't do is give anybody the impression that I know what I'm talking about, because I definitely don't.
Like, if you had to get me to explain to you how Congress and the Senate works and how long the terms are and what they have to do, that'd be a sloppy-ass fucking conversation, right?
I'm no political expert, you know?
Mike Pence is no MMA expert.
You know what I mean?
He probably could tell you who Conor McGregor is.
That's probably like, we have equal knowledge in government.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But still, he might win.
Just in terms of games.
kyle kingsbury
He definitely could, yeah.
joe rogan
It's a game.
kyle kingsbury
He definitely could.
joe rogan
Look, what is it?
It's a fucking game.
It's a game.
It's a very high stakes, gigantic game where you're trying to win a popularity contest.
He won.
kyle kingsbury
What do you think of The Rock potentially becoming president one day?
That shit blew up, and I was like, wait a minute now.
If you look at the current state, and it is a popularity contest, and we want somebody who can literally rock the mic, has the gift of gab, but then you also have somebody who's doing humanitarian shit, is...
As famous as fucking anyone has ever been.
Highest paid dude in Hollywood.
joe rogan
He's so nice, too.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, he's a nice guy.
You look at that guy and you don't question his character.
joe rogan
No, he's a sweetheart.
Yeah, he's a sweetheart.
You meet him in real life, he's like that, too.
kyle kingsbury
Oh, he's a big motherfucker.
joe rogan
Big giant motherfucker.
kyle kingsbury
I think he could do it.
joe rogan
He could win.
He could win.
Especially if he has Oprah as his VP. And I'm not even fucking around.
Not saying it's a good idea, folks.
Not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying, you don't think that The Rock and Oprah could win?
But who would be, women would get super pissed off if The Rock was the president and Oprah was VP. Oprah would have to say, look, I'm busy.
kyle kingsbury
She's potentially next in line.
That's not a bad thing.
She's Mike Pence, nodding in approval.
joe rogan
But a lot of people would want her to be president.
Oprah to be the first female president to counter like the the first celebrity president being Trump Oprah counters that with the first female celebrity president See, that's a big win.
kyle kingsbury
Would The Rock be VP in that situation?
joe rogan
It's tough to get The Rock to take a fucking backseat.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know about that The Rock is He's The Rock.
joe rogan
It's tough to get him to take a backseat.
It would be fascinating to see what happens next.
That's what's going to be, I mean, how we're going to try to play this out, how people are going to play this out, the popularity contest aspect of it.
Because it's just, okay, if it really devolves into that, you know, it's like, and here's the other thing.
How much of his regulations are helping?
kyle kingsbury
Well, and what do we do now that has really fucked up, maybe permanent consequences to the earth?
joe rogan
That's true too, right?
But what stuff have they implemented other than I know they did offshore drilling, right?
That concerned a lot of people.
And it was explained better to me about the monuments and the private land.
I've read a bunch of different, and public land rather, I've read a bunch of different takes on that.
And essentially what they did is bring it back to where it was before the Obama administration changed it.
So it was listed a certain way, and then when the Obama administration changed it, they felt that was an overstep.
Don't know why and it doesn't seem to be They haven't started any like mineral drills or oil drills or anything in these areas.
I don't know what they're doing I don't know.
I don't know if they're really just trying to deregulate things more They feel like the government overstepped their boundaries or if they really have nefarious ideas They're trying to like figure out a way to get some oil out of a salmon River Yeah, man, I mean there was that one place we've discussed it before Up in Alaska where a lot of people were concerned that there was going to be some drilling that takes place near where salmon live.
Like, close enough that if it fucked up, it could destroy this river.
kyle kingsbury
When it fucks up.
joe rogan
That's probably the best way to say it, right?
Because if we don't do anything about it, like, say if you put a pipeline in the earth, and you pump oil through it, and we don't do anything, we just leave it there.
Just leave it there.
And we don't, you know, we don't visit it for 5,000 years.
What's that gonna be like?
So what does that mean?
It means you gotta keep fixing it?
Okay, so you put a hole, you put a giant tube through the earth and you're pumping toxic ooze out of this tube.
And sometimes it gets into rivers and it fucking kills everything.
And you want to run this fucking...
You wanna run this tube under the river?
Okay.
And then what are you gonna do?
Like, how many every year?
Every five years?
How often are you checking?
And when do you replace shit?
How long do those tubes last?
kyle kingsbury
I don't know.
They gotta check it out.
I almost got into that.
joe rogan
What happens if there's an earthquake?
And those tubes break?
kyle kingsbury
Fuck city.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
How does that work?
I don't know jack shit about how they pump the oil out.
Do you?
What were you going to say?
Well, it's a weird thing if we know for sure they're going to one day break.
Like, we're making a toxic pipeline.
We know for sure the Earth's going to just absorb it, right?
kyle kingsbury
Everything fucking erodes.
joe rogan
Everything.
kyle kingsbury
Have you seen them show a five-year depiction of what would happen to our bridges if we stopped painting them?
joe rogan
Yeah, I have.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, it looks like it happens overnight.
joe rogan
Wasn't there a show about this called Life After Humans or something like that?
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Was that on like Nat Geo or Discovery, something like that?
joe rogan
Something like that.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of spots, particularly, look at this.
Southern California, deadliest quake may have been caused by oil drilling.
Jesus Christ.
jamie vernon
1933. What?
kyle kingsbury
Doesn't Oklahoma now have a ton of earthquakes from fracking?
joe rogan
Yeah.
But how could they know this?
Because earthquakes happen out here.
I wonder how they know this.
The study, written by two leading U.S. Geological Survey scientists in Pasadena, shout out to Pasadena, and be published in the Bulletin of Seismic Society of America on Tuesday, also suggests that three other earthquakes, including magnitude 5.0 earthquakes in 1920 in Inglewood and 1929 in Whittier, may have also been linked to oil drilling.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
I don't know.
Maybe.
Maybe we live in California.
Right?
Both.
Maybe both.
Maybe it gave a little bump, but it was happening anyway.
Fuck knows.
But it is...
It's weird.
That's a weird one.
The weirdest one for sure is nuclear power plants.
That's the weirdest one.
Because they can't shut him off.
kyle kingsbury
When you had Shane Smith on, he was talking about that kid that made a nuclear reactor in his garage at like 17 years old.
I think he's like 22 now or 23. Works for the government.
What did they do?
joe rogan
They tracked him by the materials that he was purchasing?
kyle kingsbury
Well, he shut down a fucking city block.
When he turned, but he was doing like fusion.
He could do, what was that?
He could refine uranium.
Oh, Jesus.
Like he knew how to fucking mine it, get all the materials.
joe rogan
And he's 17?
kyle kingsbury
That was at 17. He's 22 now, or 23. That's insane.
But he can take the used reactors and basically like a handheld battery, like you'd have on an RC car, that can power an entire city for 10,000 years, each one of those.
unidentified
What?
kyle kingsbury
That's what Smith was saying.
That's not for me.
unidentified
I know.
kyle kingsbury
I'm saying though, that's what Shane Smith was saying.
This guy has that technology and of course...
To get a little Eddie Bravo-ish, there's big companies that don't want to see that happen, but he's supported by Elon Musk and other other big-time dudes that want to see it happen.
joe rogan
Well, here would be the thing.
I don't know if once those nuclear reactors get up and running, like the old-style ones, like Fukushima, I don't know if they have a way to shut those down.
Ironically enough, I think they need power to shut them down.
Wasn't that like a big part of the problem with Fukushima?
Where they couldn't cool it?
They couldn't keep it cool?
Dude, they can't shut them off.
Like, that is the craziest...
They've only had them for...
If you stop and think about the amount of time humans have been alive.
It's only been like...
50 years?
60 years?
Since, like, nuclear powers everywhere?
Like, what has it been the year?
The bomb was dropped in, what was that, 45?
Is that 1945?
kyle kingsbury
I don't know.
Before my time.
joe rogan
When do you think the bomb was dropped?
Was it 45?
Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
jamie vernon
I think that's right, but I was looking up that they shut down power plants in Florida when the hurricane went through last year.
joe rogan
Nuclear power plants?
Yeah, I think new ones they can.
I don't think they could shut down the Fukushima one.
Or I think it was just damaged by the water so badly that whatever their shutdown thing didn't work.
But there's no way to shut it down now.
Now it's a fucking total meltdown disaster.
I mean, they've tried to come up with all sorts of ways to store this shit.
I think one of them was dig a giant hole, pour all the waste in there, and keep it frozen.
kyle kingsbury
That doesn't sound good.
Sounds like a really bad idea.
joe rogan
They're gonna put it in like this giant vat and they were gonna have this vat like super cooled to some like ridiculous Low degree and do something.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
kyle kingsbury
This sounds like I'm making this up I bet Paul Stamets could come up with a way to fix that.
joe rogan
How would you fix that?
Mushrooms eat all the nuclear waste?
kyle kingsbury
Dude, he did that.
He had the TED Talk, Six Ways Mushrooms Will Save the World.
joe rogan
And was that one of his?
kyle kingsbury
One of them was oyster mushrooms eating away oil spills.
So he fucking has like three giant vats of toxic waste.
I wouldn't say toxic, like garbage.
And they're all coated in oil.
And he does different things to two of them.
And then on the third one, he puts oyster mushroom spores in there.
And they cover them, and the other two just stink to fucking hell.
Like, they get worse over time.
unidentified
Wow.
kyle kingsbury
The oyster mushrooms grow, and they grow black as the oil starts to be absorbed by them.
Then they break down every single carbon in the oil until eventually the oyster mushroom becomes white again, and it's fucking edible.
joe rogan
What?
kyle kingsbury
Completely breaks it down.
And these are giant oyster mushrooms.
Like, just fucking massive.
joe rogan
Dude, you're gonna get BP cocky.
Yeah.
They're gonna get cocky.
Like, look, we spell it.
We got some fucking mushrooms.
We're good, dude.
unidentified
We're good, dude.
kyle kingsbury
Give us three months.
joe rogan
Damn, could you imagine a giant oil spill out in the ocean, and then these scientists drop, like, billions of spores?
What is this, James?
kyle kingsbury
I don't know.
That might not work in the ocean.
joe rogan
But could you imagine if they did do it, and it did work, and you see these fucking building-sized mushrooms just sucking oil out of the ocean?
kyle kingsbury
That'd be awesome.
joe rogan
It would be crazy!
And then they turn white, and they become edible.
kyle kingsbury
And they just gotta figure out how to do that with psilocybin and we're golden.
joe rogan
Wow!
Yeah, that would be an easy fix.
To find some way to blend the two of them together.
unidentified
Don't you think?
kyle kingsbury
A little crossbreed?
joe rogan
Could they do that?
I know they do that with plants, right?
kyle kingsbury
They gotta be able to do that.
joe rogan
How do they do that with plants?
You know what someone told me that blew me away?
That they were making pistachio trees.
And they were binding them somehow or another to avocado trees.
And they were making them grow together to make a sturdier branch structure.
And I went, what?
You can do that?
You can mix trees?
kyle kingsbury
I know here they have mixed trees, but they're from the same...
Phylum?
I don't know if that's right.
They're close enough genetically related, but you'd have like one base of the tree that has the roots, and then different branches on that tree grow different fruit.
And you can have four different fruit styles on one tree, like peaches, plums, apricots, all from one tree.
joe rogan
Wow, dude.
I had no idea.
kyle kingsbury
You can buy that shit at Costco.
joe rogan
I believe you.
I had no idea, though.
I would have assumed that...
I would assume that, like, a tomato has to be in a tomato tree.
You know, you can't splice a tomato tree to an apple tree.
kyle kingsbury
Tomato might not work, but as far as fruit trees...
It would be cool, though, to do that.
Maybe you could do that with tomatoes.
Maybe you could have beefsteak on one side and cherry on the other.
joe rogan
Yeah, right.
kyle kingsbury
It's possible.
joe rogan
Have it all mixed up together.
Mm-hmm.
It's just, what a strange life form plants are.
They're a little bizarre, compared to us, this thing that lives alongside of us.
Cleans our air for us.
Cleans our air.
Like, New York without Central Park would be so much grosser probably, right?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, 100%.
joe rogan
Have to be.
Like all the carbon in the air, carbon dioxide, all the fucking, just all the people breathing.
Everyone around you, there's so many people.
Everyone just breathing, you know?
You're in like a soup of people breathing on the subway and in buildings and, you know, people are so jammed next to each other while they're walking by.
They're just breathing each other's air.
That is such a weird way that people have decided to live.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, it is weird.
We were just out there for product development.
I get to go out to different conferences and shit.
So we went out to Secaucus, New Jersey, and they're like a giant supplement conference where they have...
It's basically like people that do the science, they figure out something really cool, but they're not big enough name to take it to the masses.
So we come in, along with other companies, we look for different things that are backed by science, piece it all together and create something new.
So we're doing that by day, and then we head over to New York by night.
And it was cool, but it was like...
It's a fucking madhouse.
It's absolutely insane to think that people live on that tiny little island.
joe rogan
They love it.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, it definitely buzzes.
It's got its own fucking energy, for sure.
joe rogan
For sure, for sure.
And it's a little hostile.
There's a hostility to that.
The comedy there, it sort of exemplifies that.
New York comedy has always been some of the best comedy in the country.
Like, always.
It's always been some of the best comics coming out of New York.
And a lot of them are, like, super hyper-aggressive.
Like, a lot of them, like, real insult comedians.
Like, that kind of, you know, that style of shitting on each other.
It's like, they're aggressively like that.
But it's, like, Patrice O'Neill was probably, like, the best at it.
kyle kingsbury
He was so fucking good.
joe rogan
He was so fucking good.
He exemplifies that New York style of, what the fuck are you wearing, man?
What the fuck is that shirt?
And then it would just be a tack.
And it was beautiful.
It was beautiful.
But it was fun.
It was all in good fun and playful.
But that New York style...
It's like a harder style, like a more aggressive style.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, even families talk to each other differently there.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
kyle kingsbury
A lot more shit talking.
joe rogan
Well, you know, I've tried to figure this out myself because my grandparents were immigrants, but I figured the way I was thinking it is like if you really thought about the kind of people that were taking a chance to come across the ocean and get here in like 1920, These were wild, desperate people.
This was a different kind of human.
They're a wilder type of human being.
And then to go from that wild type of human being to a regular person in 2018, it's only been a couple of generations.
Those places is where the people stayed.
So the people landed there first.
And then all the Polish and the Jewish and the Italian and the Puerto Ricans and all these different fucking ethnic groups just piled in together, just buzzing.
And a lot of people went, let's go west.
Let's fucking go west.
And they landed over here.
And this is why California is quite a bit more mellow, quite a bit more laid back.
And even the comedy, the comedians are more friendly.
But there is a great roast battle scene up here, too.
They do those roast battle shows.
Those things are pretty goddamn good.
kyle kingsbury
I love the roasts.
joe rogan
They get nasty with each other.
kyle kingsbury
You guys sit in the back of the Comedy Store and talk shit, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, we talk shit to each other.
But it's fun.
It's practice.
It's like we're making other comedians laugh.
kyle kingsbury
That'd be awesome, though, to be a fly on the wall watching a bunch of comedians just talk shit to each other, not even worried about other people, not trying to make anybody laugh but themselves.
joe rogan
We all talk shit unless Joey's around.
Then when Joey's around, just try to get him riled up.
When Joey's around, my main goal is try to get him angry about something and just hear him go off.
And that's when the magic happens.
It's got to be something.
You got to bring up some fucking band he doesn't like or some food that's bullshit.
Next thing you know, he's throwing his arms back and he's fucking full.
kyle kingsbury
Somebody orders the ranch sauce with their salad?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
With chicken wings?
joe rogan
With chicken wings, yeah.
Just that one statement, it's blue cheese with wings or go fuck your mother.
And it's just the way he says it, too.
So when we're in the back and Joey's back there, we just let Joey rant.
We just try to get him riled up.
I mean, we'll have conversations with him if he just wants to have a conversation.
But half the time, it's like a game of, you know, hanging around with the funniest guy ever.
If you get that guy to laugh and get that guy to make everybody laugh.
kyle kingsbury
Just fucking poke and prod.
joe rogan
Yeah, just have fun with them.
But he would always do that.
Like, no one could figure that out.
We'd do these gigs in the road.
And right before Joey would go on stage, he'd get mad at us.
He'd get mad at us for whatever reason.
unidentified
He goes, you guys, with this fucking laptop and this bullshit and the fucking green room.
joe rogan
It's the fucking green room.
Let the green room be the green room.
What are you going to do?
Are you going to show him your dick?
unidentified
Are you going to do it?
And he would go into this thing, like, how deep are you going to get into this fucking internet life?
joe rogan
Let these fucking people behind the scenes just go off.
And they were like, why is Joey so mad?
I'm like, he's getting fired up to go on stage.
That's what he does.
Comes back, he's not mad at you.
He just decides, like, this is what it's going to be.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, some poor bastard's like, I'm just trying to do some emails.
joe rogan
I'm just streaming on YouTube.
kyle kingsbury
What's his deal?
joe rogan
What the fuck is this streaming?
What the fuck is it?
What the fuck are these kids doing with the fucking streaming?
And the next thing you know, boom, bang!
Everybody's on the floor, dying, laughing.
You would get fired up and then you'd go on stage already at 10, you know?
It's a really smart thing.
Just get mad, just get annoyed right before you go on stage.
Just get annoyed at anything.
What kind of fucking mustard is this?
unidentified
Joe Rogan, what kind of fucking mustard is this?
Back in Jersey, they had the mustards with the seeds.
joe rogan
That fucking brown, dirty mustard.
It looked like it came out of someone's asshole.
And he would just, whatever it was, he would just start ranting about it and get angry, and then he'd go on stage like at 10. So it could be anything, man.
It could be a fucking TV show that Tahani doesn't like.
It could be the pair of sneakers you're wearing.
unidentified
It could be, I don't like the way you're doing your notes.
He yelled at me once for having a notebook.
joe rogan
I came to the improv and I had a fucking notebook.
And he goes, what are you doing with the fucking notebook?
And I go, that's why I keep my notes.
And he's like, what do you want everybody to know you're writing?
Carry this fucking notebook around.
unidentified
You're doing it to show the world that you take your job serious.
joe rogan
Some people do.
But I mean, that's better than not doing it.
You know, even if you're writing to fake that you're writing all the time, that's definitely better than not writing.
Carry that notebook, man.
Encourage notebooks.
I'm pro notebook.
kyle kingsbury
You guys got the notepad right here.
joe rogan
Dude, you gotta write shit down.
I don't look at 90% of it.
There's a lot of stuff in here that I have no idea what the fuck I wrote.
But occasionally, I feel like one day I'm gonna wise up, and I'm gonna go in here, and I'm gonna go over these notes, and something's gonna make some sense.
But nope.
All looks like nonsense.
Chicken scratch and nonsense.
Page after page of it, Kyle Kingsbury.
Do you take notes?
Like life notes?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, kind of.
I mean, I have two journals that I use for psychedelic ceremonies, shit like that.
And then my desk is...
It's kind of a fucking joke.
I mean, it's just covered in post-its.
And I'll just jot shit down on who I'm going to have on the podcast or the supplement that I want to try, what dose that I tried it at, that kind of shit, since I'm kind of the office guinea pig.
Just any bullshit.
But they're fucking everywhere.
joe rogan
Have you ever had an adverse reaction as an office guinea pig trying shit out?
kyle kingsbury
Many, many times.
I was at a meeting with Aubrey, and I forget the guys that were there, but there were some bigwig guys.
And I show up, and he's like, hey, you doing all right?
And I was like, uh, no.
No, I'm not doing good.
And I had taken...
I'd taken this form of berberine that lowers blood sugar.
It kind of works like metformin.
Dr. Peter Atiyah has talked about that before on your show.
And it's supposed to help with ketone production and just inflammation and all that good shit.
But I took way too much.
I kind of eyeballed it.
I got cocky.
joe rogan
You eyeballed it?
kyle kingsbury
I got cocky.
Yeah, I probably had three times the dose.
And it just fucking sunk me.
And I'm like, I'm already in ketosis.
I should be fine.
And I went pale as a ghost.
And he's like, what?
Aubrey's got a couch in his office.
He said, why don't you just lay on the couch for a minute?
So I laid down there, fucking full body sweat.
It got worse.
And I just listened.
And I was like, uh-huh.
Yeah, kind of close to fucking throwing up, but...
And that's like one of probably ten.
joe rogan
How can you eyeball things?
You're a smart guy.
kyle kingsbury
That's true.
Well, I've shit my pants from eyeballing MCT oil on multiple occasions, so...
joe rogan
We talked about that last podcast.
Dude's got so mad.
Yeah, I'll try your diet and shit my fucking pants.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People are so mad.
kyle kingsbury
You can do a keto diet and not take MCT oil.
You don't have to.
Or you can do it intelligently and fucking measure your dose and not get ballsy.
joe rogan
But if you're the average human being, let's just say you're an intelligent, let's be super honest about this.
If you're an intelligent, healthy person that eats a reasonably balanced diet, you still have a 1% chance of shitting your pants every day.
kyle kingsbury
You think it's that high?
joe rogan
No.
kyle kingsbury
Because that's one day out of every hundred.
joe rogan
I know.
That's like two times a year.
kyle kingsbury
I don't show my dad three times a year.
joe rogan
No.
I have to revise my numbers.
Maybe one tenth of one percent?
One in a thousand?
One in a thousand days.
So if it's one in a thousand, like one in three years.
There's a likelihood.
kyle kingsbury
I think I'm living right if I shit my pants once every three years.
joe rogan
Good for you.
I'm glad you said that, not me.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, if I don't push the envelope in one direction or another.
unidentified
Oh, you're not taking any chances.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, exactly.
I'm not playing it safe.
joe rogan
Nope, not playing it safe.
That's odd.
Yeah, it's weird that certain foods that are good for you will also make you shit your pants if you do it wrong.
It's like your body wants this real nice balance.
I want a real nice balance of nutrients.
Don't get fucking crazy with this stuff.
Come on.
Don't get crazy with that.
What's all this oil?
unidentified
What's all this oil?
joe rogan
Oh, you want diarrhea?
You want diarrhea, motherfucker?
unidentified
Wah!
joe rogan
Your body just says, I'm not dealing with this.
Let's just flush it out.
kyle kingsbury
The problem is that you think it's a fart, and you should know better.
It's like, oh, that feels like air.
We're good to let this out.
joe rogan
And then it's full underwear.
kyle kingsbury
Not good.
Then you've got to drive home with your hips off the seat the whole way.
joe rogan
It's good exercise, though, for your lower pelvic.
kyle kingsbury
Activate, loosen up the front side.
joe rogan
Male kegels.
kyle kingsbury
You're kind of doing a Kegel, holding it back.
joe rogan
Yeah, you are, definitely.
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Just staying puckered for an extended period of time.
joe rogan
Like, women that do that competitively, do you know that there's, like, competitions?
Where they hold something inside the vagina?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those are some dedicated people.
Like, I would imagine most girls are like, vagina is great by itself.
You don't really have to squeeze it until it becomes muscular.
kyle kingsbury
You can train it though.
joe rogan
You can.
kyle kingsbury
You know?
joe rogan
You can.
kyle kingsbury
Just like training the brain.
joe rogan
You can.
But how many people do it?
I would like to know.
There was an anonymous thing where women can answer.
I bet that's 1%.
How many of them squeeze their pussy all the time and just do exercises like...
Look at this girl.
She's got some stuff...
Upper punana and then she's carrying weights around and she's doing yoga.
Record setting vaginal weightlifter.
kyle kingsbury
What's wrong with the pants?
joe rogan
Well, there's a hole in the middle of it where that rope goes through.
That's one thing.
That's a rough-looking rope, too, man.
That's like a rope that you would tie a dog to a tree with.
unidentified
That's not like a silk rope.
joe rogan
That's a fucking rope, man.
kyle kingsbury
She's not bad.
I really don't like the pants.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
kyle kingsbury
It's nice that she's moving through different positions, you know?
She's not just standing there, hitting Chi Gong with it in there.
She's actually, she's working it.
joe rogan
This is the sexual equivalent to you taking that overdose of those pills?
Or of that shit you were taking?
The powder.
kyle kingsbury
The sexual equivalent?
joe rogan
It's exactly the sexual equivalent.
Because you don't want to get jerked off by the Hulk.
Okay?
kyle kingsbury
I don't know.
You can't knock it until you've tried it.
I would just imagine.
I would enter that and roll the dice and see how strong that is.
joe rogan
What if she grabs it like your fist?
And you're like, oh Jesus!
kyle kingsbury
She's like Pai Mei when he takes the arm.
Do you want your cock back?
Your cock belongs to me now.
joe rogan
Yeah, grabs it like it hurts.
Like, hey!
Hey!
kyle kingsbury
Well, it's still going to be wet, right?
Hopefully.
joe rogan
Sure.
Yeah, I mean everything seems to be in working order.
That's a weird thing to want to be able to do too.
Carry the most weight with your pussy.
How did it go from that being a thought in your mind to one day I'll be the queen, one day I will carry the most weight, to like putting it on YouTube and figuring out a way to put it on YouTube where you have pants that have a hole in them.
kyle kingsbury
She started somewhere.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
But I'm willing to bet that seed was planted early on in life.
Probably too early.
joe rogan
Maybe.
I don't know, man.
Different strokes for different folks, right?
If that's what you're into doing, some people play tennis.
Some people are world record pussy weight holders.
It's just like, what the fuck, man?
Okay.
If dudes could grow their dicks, for sure.
If there was an exercise, they could grow your dick.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
kyle kingsbury
You've talked about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Aren't there tribes in Africa where they hang shit from their, they like got a penis head piercing and they hang different weights from their cock?
joe rogan
Yeah, there is some of that, right?
kyle kingsbury
They stretch it out.
joe rogan
I don't think that's the same.
kyle kingsbury
They do like dick games where they'll be semi-hard and they kind of work those muscles on top of the cock to flex the weight up and down.
joe rogan
Hmm.
Yeah, but if that was, like, as straightforward...
So, like, the penis has to be erect in order for it to be hard.
And if it's erect and hard, like, it's not a muscle that you could work out.
That's what I'm saying.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
kyle kingsbury
It's more about just stretching it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But if you had a weightlifting exercise for the dick, like a bicep curl...
You know how big the fucking line at the gym would be if someone invented that?
No one would be waiting in line for the Stairmaster, right?
They would be waiting in line to get on that dick building machine.
kyle kingsbury
Just all these dudes with their pants around their angles, stuffed into a glory hole with some kind of weight on the other side?
joe rogan
Proportionately.
Like, what percentage of girls that lift weight go immediately to booty exercises?
Is it a hundred?
Any kind of squat rack or anything crazy, that's where you're gonna find the girls that really want to put on that booty mass, right?
It's like a high percentage.
kyle kingsbury
Do you think the dick-strengthener would make it shorter and fatter?
joe rogan
It would be dick-strengthening gyms everywhere.
kyle kingsbury
But would it turn you into a Coke can?
joe rogan
No, I think it would have to be like you could grow it out.
Like you could actually create more tissue.
What is this?
What are you showing us?
jamie vernon
I can't find the name of this movie.
unidentified
A guy is hanging weights from his dick.
joe rogan
It's a super saturation of it.
Hanging from his dick.
And the girl's like, I can't believe this.
jamie vernon
She starts eating a banana in a second.
unidentified
Yes!
kyle kingsbury
What is the name of this movie?
jamie vernon
I couldn't find the name.
It's got to be a parody.
kyle kingsbury
She's got to keep him hard.
jamie vernon
There was a black guy looking at him like, what the fuck?
He's coming up right there.
joe rogan
Damn, they keep stacking kettlebells on his dick.
But if there was something like that, like something like a glute ham machine, you know, something that just targeted the dick.
kyle kingsbury
You should talk to Rogue.
joe rogan
I don't think it's going to work.
kyle kingsbury
You'd have one in here.
joe rogan
I probably would.
kyle kingsbury
Start playing with prototypes.
unidentified
Fucking...
kyle kingsbury
A hundred people are going to send you one.
joe rogan
If anybody's going to figure it out, it's going to be Ben Greenfield.
It's probably going to be some fucking...
kyle kingsbury
Well, you know, I had him on Onnit's podcast after he was on yours the first time.
And I was like, you know, what do you want to talk about?
And we're in the sauna on it.
And I'm like, I want to talk stem cells.
And he's like, listen...
No more dick stem cell talk.
I was like, why?
He goes, no, I don't want to be known as the dick stem cell guy.
And I was like, well, yeah, you went on the wrong show.
But, you know, we still talk stem cells.
And obviously, you know, we were chatting before the show.
It's fucking rad.
It's very cool.
We got to talk about the intravenous stem cells that he did.
joe rogan
Oh, Jamie, show me some more dudes tying weights to the end of their dicks.
unidentified
It's on YouTube.
joe rogan
Oh, God, Jamie, this is not good.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Come on, sir!
kyle kingsbury
Oh, that's at the base of his cock, and he was holding on to the shaft while he was...
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
kyle kingsbury
Picking it up.
joe rogan
And then he gets up and he gives blessings to everybody.
Blessings.
I carried the large rock with my cock.
That's the weirdest part of that video.
kyle kingsbury
He handled that wind like Fedor.
joe rogan
After it's over.
kyle kingsbury
No expression on the face.
Just like, yeah, I know what I can do.
joe rogan
It is the weirdest way to pick up a rock with your dick and then end it.
Watch.
He gets up.
jamie vernon
It's like adding dirt to it or something, too.
joe rogan
Well, is that writing, is that Indian?
Is that Hindu?
jamie vernon
I think, yeah.
joe rogan
Hindi?
jamie vernon
Yeah, Hindu.
joe rogan
Hindu's the religion.
Hindi's the writing.
unidentified
Is that what it is?
joe rogan
Look how they just allowed a show as cock and balls.
jamie vernon
I think it's because it's like...
joe rogan
Because it's nature?
kyle kingsbury
It's a feat of strength.
jamie vernon
There was another video I did not pull up that was direct, like, showing you how to do this kind of stuff with weights and...
joe rogan
Kudos to YouTube for allowing this.
Look at this.
He's grabbing the honker at the very end.
He's got the rope wrapped around the middle, and homeboy's just going to pick up this rock.
kyle kingsbury
He's got to widen that squat stance.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Blessings of the cock of death.
Blessings.
He's got...
He's figured out a way to lift weights with his dick, like he's actually doing it.
And he seemed to be a wreck there.
jamie vernon
People seem to be there to see him too.
kyle kingsbury
Children were clapping.
joe rogan
He's famous.
He's the famous dick weight guy.
Do you think he has pupils?
Will he take on...
What a great reality show that would be.
kyle kingsbury
He has to.
He can't take that to the grave with him.
joe rogan
Yeah, you have some dude who was born with a small penis and you send him to this guy, to the master.
kyle kingsbury
To apprentice.
joe rogan
In India.
And he just starts going through all the rituals, the stones and the dick and the...
Sticks and...
kyle kingsbury
There's got to be more to it.
joe rogan
Oh, look at these guys.
kyle kingsbury
I've seen this.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Using weights to enlarge your penis.
They're swinging.
Oh, Christ.
That looks like 10 pounds.
That looks like two 5-pound plates.
unidentified
Is that Bolo Chong from Bloodsport?
kyle kingsbury
Oh, that's a woman.
Oh, wow.
They're not moving their hips.
joe rogan
They're not at all.
kyle kingsbury
They're using the dick there.
They're using dick muscle.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
So they have something tied to their dick.
We can't see it because they have some sort of a skirt over it for people that are listening.
It literally looks like a skirt.
And then the rope is making this weight swing like a pendulum in between their legs.
And they're not using their hips.
They're doing it all with their dick muscles.
Now they're practicing kicking in the balls.
Very important to let a guy kick you in the balls.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
These guys blow testicles all the time, right?
I know at least two or three guys that were kicked and blew out a testicle.
kyle kingsbury
In a fight?
joe rogan
No, training mostly.
I heard of it in training.
I mean, I'm sure it's probably happened in fights too, but definitely in training.
One of the military guys, like a real promising kid, had it happen to him.
I'm trying to place his name.
kyle kingsbury
Did it end his career?
joe rogan
I do not know.
God, I really apologize for not remembering his name.
I want to say Brian Foster.
Is that who it was?
He hasn't fought in the UFC in a long time.
But in training, he got kicked low.
He didn't have a cup on.
It's like, one more round, that kind of deal.
Like, yeah, we'll spar one more round, fuck it.
And wham!
kyle kingsbury
I never understood that, when guys wouldn't wear cups in sparring.
joe rogan
So crazy.
kyle kingsbury
Don't roll the dice there.
joe rogan
It's too risky.
Did you ever wear a Thai steel cup?
kyle kingsbury
Kane was big into that, but I didn't like that it went up your asshole.
unidentified
That was like, I don't know about that one.
kyle kingsbury
Plus, they're smaller.
The American ones come out of ways.
joe rogan
Oh, stop with the bragging, bro.
unidentified
No, no, no.
kyle kingsbury
I'm just saying.
It looked like it'd be in a tight spot.
That's all.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you can't make a cup for a 140-pound Thai guy and then make that same cut...
Fit on gorillas like yourself.
You need a bigger cup.
You need bigger gloves.
kyle kingsbury
I like that there was a little bit of space.
That's all I'm saying.
joe rogan
Is it like that leather thick padding around the edges of it?
kyle kingsbury
No.
joe rogan
So, like, when it goes into you, it doesn't go into you in straight...
It was rubber.
Right.
kyle kingsbury
Oh, it was rubber.
Yeah, it was like the rubber with a hard plastic.
Like a baseball cup.
joe rogan
A lot of guys liked those.
There was this dude, Amir Renovardi.
He was one of Bas Rutten's protégés.
We used to train with him at Eddie's place, and he'd mount you.
And he had that fucking steel cup, and it would be like he was crushing your sternum with his dick.
It was uber uncomfortable.
It was not fun.
He was very good at that.
He would get mount on you and just crush you down like you...
And it's like...
Unnatural leverage in arm bars as well.
When you go over that steel cup, you got a metal thing that you're bending someone's arm against.
It's a big deal.
It's a really big deal if you think about it.
I mean, you would think like, wait a minute, even a regular arm bar, hold on, you're pulling his arm into your balls?
Like, what the fuck?
Yeah, you are.
Your dick and balls are resting on someone's arm when you give them an arm bar.
That is just a fact.
If you don't like that fact, your goal, in fact, is to get your dick and balls to rest on this guy's arm.
But you're not thinking about that.
You're thinking of getting your hips down on him, getting that arm in between your legs, or getting that arm in between your arms and your legs, extending your body.
But if you have a...
You got this crazy fulcrum.
You got this weird leverage point.
It's made out of metal.
It's a fucking metal piece.
So instead of having vulnerable balls, you have this thing.
You have a lever.
You could snap shit better.
kyle kingsbury
Mike Swick popped my rib out eight days before a fight with his cup.
This one right here.
joe rogan
Damn, it's still fucked up.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, it reset that way.
joe rogan
Wow.
It's from those goddamn steel cups, right?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, I mean the swicketine.
And just dug his cup was right under a rib.
And I was dead tired.
Last round of training of the entire fight camp and popped it out.
joe rogan
I wonder how controversial...
I'm so out of the loop when it comes to grappling, grappling competitions.
I wonder how legal they are.
I wonder if they're allowed to use them at all.
I wish Eddie Bravo was here.
kyle kingsbury
No, I don't think they get to use cups of any sort.
joe rogan
Of any sort?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that would be crazy.
I would want to wear a cup.
I've been smashed in the nuts before in training.
kyle kingsbury
I don't think you get to.
I don't think it's allowed.
Wow, that's crazy.
Yeah.
joe rogan
No cups at all, because of that fulcrum point.
kyle kingsbury
Probably.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it must be.
It's crazy that your dick would become an advantage.
Like, you know, like that area.
Instead of like being like, one object changes what that is.
So it goes from being like a super vulnerable area to, ooh, if I get you there...
kyle kingsbury
Or even, like, north-south.
Like, Canaan would have me in north-south and just fucking dig it into the side of my face.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
kyle kingsbury
And I'm sure there's balswit there, too.
But, I mean, really, that would fuck me up.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got a metal bar driving into your face.
A real piece of metal.
And if you kick those fucking things, you pay for it.
Like, if you kick those things and you slap it with your instep...
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
It's like you might as well be kicking a rock or kicking the bottom of someone's elbow.
kyle kingsbury
Worse than young Jamie running down the mountain in his Vibrams.
joe rogan
Yeah, young Jamie tried to go barefoot shoe running.
Which one did you go?
Did you get the Vivo barefoots?
jamie vernon
Yeah, the Vivos, yeah.
Super thin.
Super, super thin.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I have two different pairs of those.
I got one that has a lot of tread.
That's got a good thick amount of tread.
And then another one that has less.
And the one that has less, you can feel the difference when you run like...
These real slippery, steep slopes.
I need something where I can dig in.
If I'm trying to sprint up to the top of the hill, I don't want to be worried about my footing.
I'm tired at that point, too.
I'm going all the way up this fucking hill.
kyle kingsbury
I want to dig in.
Are they toe shoes or do they have full coverage?
joe rogan
Full coverage.
kyle kingsbury
See, I like that better for running.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You stub your toe on shit.
You can't watch where you're...
I like the Vibrams.
I wear them all the time.
I don't have an endorsement with any of these people.
I don't have any kind of deals.
But what I like about the Vibrams is, for sure, it feels like you're moving more with your pinkies.
Like your pinky toes and the other toes, they're aware that they have a job.
Whereas I feel like when I wear even barefoot shoes, That have full coverage, I feel like they're lazy.
They're just along for the ride.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, we'll just hang on.
We can take a break.
joe rogan
Yeah, we'll take a break.
Whereas I feel all that shit activated.
It might be just in my head.
But when I run with five finger shoes on, a trail run with those things on, I feel like my foot is moving just a wee bit more than even regular barefoot shoes.
Something about having all those little fuckers free like that.
And they're feeling the dirt the way they're supposed to.
Like, they're moving together the same way your hands move together when you fall on gravel or something like that.
Your hand, you know, it moves together.
It's thinking of how to cushion blows and how to stop something that's coming your way and how to interact with space, whereas your foot is just kind of clubbing the ground all the time.
I feel like with those shoes, the one thing I'm aware of is that the foot is acting like all the little individual muscles are helping to push me around.
You know?
kyle kingsbury
It's massive.
I've noticed that on, I mean, all walks.
joe rogan
You're wearing them right now.
kyle kingsbury
I wear them all the time.
joe rogan
He's wearing them right now.
kyle kingsbury
No endorsement either.
joe rogan
This motherfucker walks around with him.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Once I started walking him on a long-term basis, especially doing longer walks and jogs, like, there's a clear-cut difference.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
You have to be mindful of every fucking step you take.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Especially if they're thinner-soled, you know?
They make some thick-soled ones for trail running and whatnot.
joe rogan
Yeah, I use those.
I use those.
The only time I use the really thin ones are at the gym.
unidentified
Mm.
joe rogan
But yeah, those are the ones I have, Jamie.
You just gotta watch out for sharp rocks.
And I don't have to watch out for sharp rocks in the other ones.
If I'm running and something's kind of funky, I gotta go, ooh, I don't want to land on that.
I gotta look.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, you gotta pay attention.
joe rogan
But with those other ones, I could just kind of hustle and breathe.
But maybe that's not as good.
Maybe it's better to do it that way.
Maybe it engages your brain more.
Forces you to think And make decisions while you're exhausted.
Actually, it might be better.
Now that I'm thinking about it, it might be a better thing to do as a workout.
kyle kingsbury
You're more present, too.
You're not thinking about other bullshit.
It's kind of like when we're talking about archery or the cold bath or any of these things.
It dows you in.
joe rogan
But I think part of it for some people with running is that getting into the zone thing that you do.
When you start getting a pace going...
And just get into that zone.
You don't want to think about any other extraneous shit.
And if you're doing that and watching every step you take, is it possible?
I'm just throwing this out there.
That would, like, inhibit you from getting into the zone?
Because you'd have to be too conscious about every step you're taking?
kyle kingsbury
Maybe.
I mean, I'm sure everyone's different, right?
But for me, when I do that, I don't feel...
I feel like it draws me into the zone, right?
Because if I can just run on a fucking treadmill, I'm not worried about where my feet go, that kind of thing.
And then my mind will wander then, right?
Because I don't have to pay attention.
It'll start thinking about other shit, especially if it's an easy run.
My mind will wander then.
It's not dialed in because it doesn't have to be.
joe rogan
What kind of cardio machines do you use, if any?
kyle kingsbury
Well, one that I really like, I mean, all I can use right now, because my knee's fucked, is the SkiErg.
And I like that.
Aubrey and I will get on those and do some sprint work.
joe rogan
You were saying you have a, what is it, MCL tear?
kyle kingsbury
No, torn meniscus.
Yeah.
Thankfully, no surgery required with that, because of the placement.
joe rogan
And so you got some stem cells on that?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, we did stem cells.
joe rogan
What did they do?
kyle kingsbury
Last week, we did umbilical stem cells, intranasal, IV, and in the knee.
unidentified
Jesus.
kyle kingsbury
With glutathione.
unidentified
Jesus!
kyle kingsbury
The knee didn't hurt like I thought the fucking injection was gonna hurt like they're gonna wiggle it in with some long ass needle But that wasn't bad the pressure once it goes in that fucking hurt Stem cells fix my left knee.
joe rogan
I was having problems my left knee for years I had a ACL reconstruction on that knee and on that knee They took some meniscus out as well.
It's always been a problem like whenever I'd work out real hard Like, two or three days in a row, it was always sore.
Like, I'd walk around, it was just sore.
And then I'd have to warm it up to get going.
One session with umbilical cord stem cells, and then I gave it a long time off, and I never had a problem with it again.
Like, it literally went away.
It's like one of those things where I had a problem, now I don't have a problem anymore.
Like, hill running, kicking the bag, whatever I'm doing, using that Echo Bike or the VersaClimber, anything I'm doing with my knees, no problems.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, I'm just babying it now.
But we work with this guy, Dr. Craig Conover, who did the stem cells.
He's been doing vitamin IVs at Onnit for us, and he's a fucking savage.
We'll do like the NAD treatments that Greenfield talks about.
joe rogan
Greenfield was telling me it's really, really beneficial.
kyle kingsbury
It is legit.
As fuck.
joe rogan
Tell me about it.
kyle kingsbury
It feels like, we get it done in IV. What's the name stand for again?
I think it's nicotinamide adenine adenosine, I don't know, nicotine adenosine dinucleotide.
There we go.
Damn.
Anyways, it's basically food for the mitochondria.
And you can influence that pathway through fasting, hot and cold therapy, high intensity intervals, different things like that.
But just to get it mainlined into your fucking body, it feels like someone's got their hand on your stomach and they're slowly turning it.
It doesn't feel good.
You fucking sweat.
If people have nasal issues, they'll sneeze.
joe rogan
Why does it feel like it's turning your stomach?
kyle kingsbury
Well, I think the idea is that Because it influences mitochondrial biogenesis, it's going to kill off any old mitochondria that need to go.
But you feel that in the gut, and then you get new ones.
And over time, I mean, we front load this four to eight days in a row.
joe rogan
And by the end of the eighth day- What does that mean by front load it?
kyle kingsbury
Every single day you do it for eight days.
unidentified
What?
kyle kingsbury
Then you only need it like once a month or once every two weeks after that.
Right.
Little touch-ups after that.
joe rogan
Every single day.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So every single day you're getting gut-wrenched?
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
But by the end of it, you feel better.
So because you've gotten rid of most of the bad shit, and again, that's theory.
I mean, this is brand new stuff here.
joe rogan
Yeah, we've got to be super careful with this.
kyle kingsbury
Most of the science is on rats.
Let me say that.
This is theory.
joe rogan
Most of the science is on rats.
It's always like a weird thing to say.
kyle kingsbury
But I'll tell you, the feeling is there's no fucking doubt it works.
I mean, anything that influences mitochondria influences everything.
That's energy for your brain, cognitive function, heart, lungs, the whole nine.
joe rogan
Greenfield was saying that he had the mitochondria, the telomere lengths, when they check his telomere lengths, that his biological age is 20. So he went, he started, and listened to him.
kyle kingsbury
He had the tello-years guy on, right?
So I did the same test.
And his biological age was 36 and his chronological age was 34. And I'm like, this motherfucker who was homeschooled K through 12 and is an Ironman triathlete is two years older biologically than chronologically.
Where the fuck am I? I went to ASU, did all the bad drugs, been hit in the head fucking countless times.
It's gotta be bad.
So at 35 when I did mine, Biological age of 41. And I'm like, fuck!
But right after he did the systemic stem cells through the IV, that dropped him from 36 to 20 years old biologically.
Wow.
joe rogan
How many did he do?
How many sessions did he do?
kyle kingsbury
I don't know.
I think it was just after the first one.
I know he's done them more.
And he did different stem cells.
joe rogan
So why are you guys doing it so many days in a row?
kyle kingsbury
For the NAD? Yeah.
Well, the idea of front-loading.
They used to say that with creatine.
I think that's been debunked.
But there are certain substances, especially with how they influence, you can really ramp up and change the body dramatically.
And then after that, you just need little touch-ups here and there.
So what did you feel like?
joe rogan
What did you feel like after it was over?
kyle kingsbury
With the NAD? Yeah.
I was like, I know I won't really be able to look at this like a quantified self.
I'm not going to be able to take numbers and shit.
So what I did was I put myself through the meat grinder.
I hadn't really been training a lot since working my first real 9 to 5 kind of thing.
And I'd train twice a day, busted out the old altitude machine, was doing altitude every day, hot and cold.
You know, we got the dual sauna on it.
I do the cold bath at home.
And all during that process, because we got the little guy, I wasn't sleeping well.
So put myself through all that.
My fucking cardio went through the roof.
I never got sick.
I recovered well.
So I knew it worked.
And on top of that, you know, cognitive function, memory retention, everything was fucking scaling up a notch.
joe rogan
Cardio?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Your cardio ramped up.
kyle kingsbury
Anything that influences mitochondria affects fucking all of it.
That's ATP throughout your entire body.
And it's brain, too.
You know, people think of like, oh, all right, you know, that's one of the reasons they're looking at creatine right now is a nootropic.
unidentified
Really?
kyle kingsbury
Because it influences ATP. And every fucking thing in your body runs on ATP. Have they done studies on this yet?
I think Greenfield might be a better guy to ask, but I'm pretty certain that they've verified that creatine helps the brain now.
joe rogan
Makes sense if it helps muscles.
I mean, if it helps blood flow.
I mean, there's got to be a bunch of different things.
kyle kingsbury
It's fucking cellular energy.
It's cellular energy.
That's all ATP is, right?
So everything runs on that one thing, and you're good there.
Whether you're in ketosis or you're eating carbohydrates, it's all going back to ATP. It's crazy.
joe rogan
It's crazy you could do that.
You could have someone inject something into you, and all of a sudden you get this, like...
This recharged state.
And then there's the debate.
Okay, is this healthy?
What's the long-term research?
kyle kingsbury
Well, yeah, and then all the shit, you know, it's funny because...
What are the drawbacks?
I have a certain amount of followers online.
Then, you know, you go to a company like Onnit, and you have...
It's magnified, right?
By 100, by 1,000, whatever.
And, you know, anytime I post shit, because I'll do stuff online for like the biohack of the week or the life hack of the week, and sometimes it's just run-of-the-mill, you know, go for a fucking farmer's walk with some weights in your hand, or keep a kettlebell in your trunk, and then you can always work out.
Or sometimes it's more technology-based, and we get a lot of shit on anything technology-based.
And, of course, the argument then is...
Well, I believe I can get everything I need from a good diet and good nutrition and movement, and I don't need to inject shit to be healthy.
And it's like, yeah, but...
I like Greenfield's model.
You have one foot in ancestral living and one foot in the benefits of modern science.
So why wouldn't I fuck with that?
joe rogan
I think that's a smart way to approach it.
I think we have a real problem and we always have as human beings being tribal.
And I'm on tribe natural.
I'm all natural, bro.
I'm not into hormones.
I don't need my cell phone, man.
I'd rather leave it alone.
And then we've got tribe science who think that science is going to figure everything out and nature ain't shit.
kyle kingsbury
We're better than nature.
We're smarter than nature.
joe rogan
Press forward.
And that's obviously the extremes of each end.
But people just tend to fucking do that, man.
There was the most ridiculous video that I retweeted from Barstool.
I think it was Barstool.
Just find out who I retweeted it from so we can give them credit on their Instagram.
But was it Barstool?
It was a video at a baseball game.
And one side was saying, right field sucks.
And the other side was singing, left field sucks.
And they would yell it out.
On three, here we go.
One, two, three.
Right field sucks.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
And everybody got pumped up.
And the people over here, like, left field sucked.
People are so stupid.
The team that sat on the left side is the best.
Here it is.
Play this.
Is it a barstool?
Barstool Sports.
Shout out to Barstool Sports on Instagram.
Look at that.
unidentified
Black Hillsong!
Now these guys are getting fired up.
kyle kingsbury
We're so thrilled.
We're not gonna take that.
unidentified
We're not going to take that.
No.
Right field sucks on three.
One, two, three.
Right field sucks.
joe rogan
But I got to say, if I was there, I would enjoy every second of that.
Especially if I had a couple beers and a hot dog in me.
kyle kingsbury
I'd have been yelling it too.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I mean, that's what's fun, right?
kyle kingsbury
And they're all rooting for the same team, for the most part.
joe rogan
Who knows?
How do they do that?
kyle kingsbury
No, they don't fucking split the sides on a home game.
joe rogan
Does anybody ever do that?
They do that in soccer?
jamie vernon
It might happen.
There might be a section, but there's still people all over the place.
joe rogan
For both teams?
Yeah.
So they're not rooting on the same team.
But conceivably, they could just go all...
kyle kingsbury
That would prove my point even further, though, because now you have both...
Say it's Cubs and Giants.
You've got Cubs fans and Giants fans sitting on the right field, both yelling to the left field, the left field sucks.
And Cubs and Giants fans on left field, both yelling it to right field.
It's bringing people together, Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
Through hate.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
At least it's fake hate.
You know, they don't really think those people suck.
I mean, if you all sat them down as individuals and said, what do you really think about these random people on the right?
Like, oh, they're just folks that are sitting over there watching the baseball game.
kyle kingsbury
Is this a parallel for politics?
joe rogan
For life, my friend.
For all of this life.
I don't know, probably, right?
There's probably something to that.
That might be also why Trump could win again.
kyle kingsbury
He can win again.
Well, anybody that believes that he won't win again, they're the same people that believed he stood no chance of winning the first time.
joe rogan
Dude, I took a photo of Jake Tapper on TV when the results were being read because he was doing one of them to report things and he had, through the entire election, he was like, really...
Very, very obviously in angst at the thought of this guy being president.
And then when he finally became president, Jake Tapper's face is just like, it's so classic.
It's one of those moments where you're like, Jesus Christ.
I'm never going to forget that guy's face when Trump was elected because it was just like, what the fuck is this?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just a crazy face.
I mean, if everything works out, nobody dies, no extra people die because of Trump being president, this will be a very fascinating time to study.
It'd be a very fascinating time.
I don't think there's ever been a time like this, man.
Drug laws are relaxing all over the place.
They're pushing MDMA through maps to get it to use for therapy for soldiers with PTSD, and it works remarkably well.
kyle kingsbury
It works better than fucking anything.
joe rogan
Better than anything?
kyle kingsbury
I've been able to guide a couple of those sessions, couples therapy sessions, not the PTSD sessions.
joe rogan
What's it been like?
kyle kingsbury
Fucking incredible.
I mean, I watched a breakup happen.
With that.
And I've never seen people break up prior to that, so I don't really have the comparison.
But just seeing...
It's heart-opening medicine.
And I know that you haven't had great experiences with it in the past, but this pharmaceutical shit is a whole different animal.
joe rogan
No, I didn't have a bad experience.
I only had a bad experience with the come-down.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, there is no come-down with the pharmaceutical.
unidentified
Nothing?
kyle kingsbury
I mean, fucking zero.
joe rogan
And I thought it diminishes your...
Your dopamine levels.
kyle kingsbury
I've spoken to Rick Doblin about this twice.
joe rogan
Serotonin levels.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
And the thing is, you know, as with any...
I know it's not a true psychedelic, but with any psychedelic...
joe rogan
What is a true psychedelic?
kyle kingsbury
A true psychedelic, like Michael Pollan would say, would be like a tryptamine-based psychedelic.
The classical psychedelics.
You look at...
joe rogan
Hallucinations.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
And you're thinking of things like mushrooms, LSD, you know, wachuma, peyote, ayahuasca, DMT. Those kind of things would be more traditional.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
I would honestly say that I think in high doses, edible marijuana is a psychedelic.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
There's no doubt.
No doubt.
joe rogan
I really, I mean, I've heard people argue against that.
I'm like, man, I don't know.
I think in high doses, when you close your eyes and lie down, like sit down on a couch on a high dose and you're really, really flying.
kyle kingsbury
I've had visuals from fucking Gorilla Glue just smoking.
Gorilla Glue.
My wife and I both.
joe rogan
What do you mean Gorilla Glue?
kyle kingsbury
It's a strain, not actual glue.
Yeah, I was huffing glue with my wife.
We experiment with anything.
joe rogan
This fucking podcast took a turn.
unidentified
I was like, Kyle Kingsbury's so savage, he's out there smoking glue.
kyle kingsbury
What about the kids, Kyle?
It's the name, yeah.
I'm not going to be a good father.
joe rogan
And you experience visuals?
kyle kingsbury
Fucking full-blown.
Full-blown.
joe rogan
You can get them, man.
If you get high enough.
McKenna used to say that the way to do it was to not get high for long periods of time.
And then smoke as much as you can handle in one setting.
kyle kingsbury
That's not my jam.
I've been using one milligram THC spray and I microdose cannabis.
Fairly often, just in the evening, and it helps with sleep.
But this MDMA, man, it's a whole fucking different ballgame.
I think you should try, if I can request, at some point, you try the pharmaceutical-grade MDMA just to know what it's all about.
Because Rick Doblin was saying, you give it space, like you would with a classical hallucinogen.
You're not supposed to fucking go back to work the next day or do a bunch of bullshit, tedious, drawn back into the real world.
Give it space, journal, meditate, throw on some easy listening music, and rest.
And if you do that, you're fine.
Because in their protocol, they're not allowed to use anything else but the MDMA. So I asked him, like, why don't you guys have a protocol for 5-HTP, vitamin C, different things we know help build back the neurotransmitter support you may have lost.
And he said, just with the finagling with the FDA and everything they have to go through, he says, it's fucking impossible.
But if we give them that day off...
They're gold.
And then, of course, New Mood, plug on it again, was designed for that experience to be able to curtail any kind of comedown.
I've had zero issues after using the pharmaceutical grade.
joe rogan
What was the original name of it?
Roll on, roll off, or what was it?
kyle kingsbury
Something like that.
Yeah, it was something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was...
5-HTP boosters, like, I mean, 5-HTP supplementation has been going on for a long time.
A lot of people have been into that.
kyle kingsbury
It works.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a smart way to approach MDMA, to stock up, to have a bunch in your system so your body's going to have to build this shit up again because you're going to flood it with it for a while.
So you're going to have this weird little period where your body's going to struggle...
But it's a thing that I would hope, if these studies do continue to prove without a doubt that it's beneficial to a lot of these people, that they make it available to more people.
kyle kingsbury
It will be.
joe rogan
It should be quick, man.
kyle kingsbury
They estimate 2022, I think, or 2023 at the latest.
That's not that bad.
But the FDA made it breakthrough drug.
I think, breakthrough drug, which is like on the fast track to go through.
joe rogan
I think the whole world would be way better if everybody was on just like a microdose of ecstasy all the time.
Just a little, just a little like, ah.
kyle kingsbury
I don't know that that could last, but that would be medicine.
joe rogan
Just a little microdose.
kyle kingsbury
That's the thing.
You talk about compassion and all these other important lessons that have been talked about in all spiritual texts.
It's automatic.
You drop right into that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do you think that it's possible to train your brain to produce more of it?
Do you think through meditation and mindfulness and all these different practices that people do to stay present, to be more open and more loving, that you could build that up almost like a muscle?
kyle kingsbury
I don't know that you could build...
Serotonin up over time.
I'm sure there's some type of cap where nature does not want us to be happy 24-7.
joe rogan
Is there any tricks, though, to getting it to turn on?
kyle kingsbury
There's a book, The Science of Mindfulness, by Dr. Ronald Siegel.
It's on one of the great courses on Audible.
And he's a Harvard professor.
And he talks about the brain like a fucking muscle.
And science has backed this.
The more you train that, the easier it is to drop into.
And I've had coaches, breathwork coaches.
We're working with The Art of Breath.
Rob Wilson and Brian McKenzie came out and they did like a full fucking blown day of breath working on it.
And the more often you can shift into parasympathetic state from fight or flight sympathetic.
You know, you shift consciously through breath into that parasympathetic state.
That becomes trainable.
You can do that over and over again.
And then all it takes is just a couple deep breaths in your back, right?
Because you train that.
The fucking body remembers.
The brain remembers.
And when you're in those states, that shifts everything from the neurochemical response to the brainwave state.
You can drop from beta into alpha into theta.
joe rogan
That's fascinating stuff, man.
It's crazy to think what we understand about the various pathways these chemicals have to go through and then what is like still Confusing like here's the big one.
Where's the where's the consciousness coming from exactly?
How does it all become the thing that's looking through kyle kingsbury's eyes and seeing me and mine looking at you?
What's exact?
What's what is that thing?
What is that thing that seems to be like almost like a Like an energy that runs through this machine.
kyle kingsbury
It's through fucking everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
It's in all things.
joe rogan
But if we thought about it that way, like you'd be so much more concerned with keeping that energy high.
You know?
I mean, how much of what would people experience when it comes to the word depression?
How much of it is their life going bad, tragedy, poor health...
Bad job choices, how much of it is some sort of a weird genetic thing, how much...
I mean, there's so many variables as to what causes depression, but such a giant number of people suffer from depression.
kyle kingsbury
Well, I think it only...
If I'm being honest, I think it's going to get worse.
You look at the way we live, and the closer and closer you've spoken about that, we were just talking about fucking New York.
We're not meant to be that confined.
We're not meant to sit out.
We're withheld from the fucking sun right now.
So many of these things communicate with our bodies.
I'm working with a genetic specialist, Ryan Frissinger.
He was on Chris Ryan's show.
Sunlight influences 500 on-off switches on our epigenetic level.
For the good, unless you fucking overdo it, right?
500. 500 plus on-off switches in our DNA are affected by sunlight, positively, right?
I mean, they look at vitamin D3, take that for example, they're calling that a hormone now, not a fucking vitamin.
Really?
Because it's a messenger.
That's how much it influences in the body.
Incredibly important.
So when you think about all these things like being barefoot, being connected to the earth, going in the fucking ocean, Science will catch up in certain ways, but we get fixated on the thing.
We get fixated on our phones, on whatever TV is going on.
We're closed off from other people.
We think, you know, communicating through Facebook is the same as being fucking face-to-face.
It's not.
You know, the more we head that direction and we're putting, you know, as you put it, putting fucking shit food in our body for mouth pleasure, that influences the brain.
Right?
80 to 90% of all of our neurotransmitters are made by the bacteria in our gut.
So you think the shit meal is just going to put on five pounds.
It's not.
It might put on five pounds, but it's going to fuck your brain up for a while.
You make it a little bit more emotional.
Fuck with your sharpness, your memory recall.
All that's impacted.
Sleep's impacted.
I wish Michael Walker talked a bit more about that.
I just don't think it's in his wheelhouse.
joe rogan
I don't think it is.
He's just a guy who studies sleep and The effects on it, but fuck was that illuminating, eye-opening.
That podcast was so important to me.
kyle kingsbury
It was fucking fantastic.
I think his book is really good, but as far as dialing in sleep, it's more of, this is what happens when you don't sleep.
The book Sleep by Nick Littlehales is probably my favorite, because that gives you all, it's a fucking how-to guide on how to maximize sleep.
joe rogan
And when you were younger, lack of sleep didn't affect you the way it affects you now, right?
kyle kingsbury
Correct.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Everything he talks about, like that shift that happens in adolescence where you become a night owl, no doubt.
And I probably still could stay out a little bit later until having a kid, and then that's your immediate reset to, bitch, you're getting up when the sun comes up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Be prepared, sir.
Get ready.
Yeah, there's so many different factors that lead to a healthy body, but how much of a healthy body leads to a happy mind?
That's where it gets, like, you can't blame some of these people that are suffering from, like, a disease.
Some of these people that have, like, something wrong with the way their brain is producing.
These happy hormones.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, I don't think you can say it's just this one thing like, well, if you just ate clean or if you just went keto or you just ate paleo, then you wouldn't have depression.
I don't think that's it at all.
But certainly that's a factor.
joe rogan
It certainly could be a factor.
kyle kingsbury
Being in nature is a factor.
And unpacking trauma.
Gabra Mate says at the heart of all fucking addiction is some form of trauma.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure.
Completely makes sense.
Yeah, his theories on that are fascinating.
I never thought about it that way.
At some point, trauma during your developmental stage has led you to, like, seek out this weird, crazy feeling and experience.
Have you known many people that have had, like, serious addictions, like meth?
kyle kingsbury
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Without naming names, people very close to me, family members, been addicted to meth, lost a cousin to pills.
I've been going to AA, not for me, for a family member, since I was three years old.
So I've seen that, you know.
joe rogan
What have...
Now, is that trauma-based?
Is everything...
Because pills...
Don't pills just kind of get everybody?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, pills can get everybody.
There's no doubt about that.
joe rogan
Unless you wean yourself off, you have real issues, right?
kyle kingsbury
There was some trauma there in all of those circumstances.
And I'm not saying...
Pills can fucking grab you.
There's no doubt.
But certainly with...
The meth and the alcohol, which was other things, you know, no doubt there was trauma there.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've known of quite a few people that got fucked up on pills after operations or injuries or stuff like that, but I know quite a few of them that kicked it, you know, that just realized it was happening.
Like, Schaub talked about it quite a bit.
When he fought Cro Cop, his nose was destroyed, so they had to rebuild his nose and he started taking pain pills.
And he said after a while, he's just taking them every day just because he wanted to take them.
And then his friends came over and cleaned out his medicine cabinet and went, cut the shit, dude.
Four months later, you're still taking these things all day long.
You can't do that anymore.
And he's like, whoa.
He said he almost didn't even realize he was doing it.
It just kind of caught a hold of him.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, shit becomes habit, especially when it's that euphoric.
joe rogan
Must be amazing.
You know what I took the other day?
I took a large dose of kratom.
Ooh!
Yeah, everybody always tells you that kratom is one thing at a small dose.
You know, it's kind of two pills, to me, seems almost like a stimulant.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, yeah, 100%.
joe rogan
Yeah, and even up to four pills.
But you get in the land of eight pills.
I took eight pills the other day.
I was like, whoa, I'm high.
I'm fully functional.
I'm not worried about the way my body moves.
It's not like I'm going to fall down when I'm walking.
Everything seems like it's working good, but I'm clearly high.
But I'm not high in a bad way.
I can talk fine.
I can remember things, full conversations, happy, remember people's names, but I'm definitely high.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, Kratom's a funny one.
It's still an opiate.
It's still hitting those receptors in the brain.
joe rogan
Is it actually an opiate?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, I believe it is.
Hamilton Morris from Hamilton's Pharmacopias.
He's coming on soon.
That's one of the things he says, because he's not spiritual, even though he does all these psychedelics.
So he gets really pissed off and people call it plant medicine or Tisha Planner and Theogen and shit like that.
He's like, you have to fucking say it.
You call it what it is, right?
I'm sure you did.
joe rogan
There's a lot of that fuckery though, right?
There is.
kyle kingsbury
But at the same time, I mean...
joe rogan
It's also real in a lot of times.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, you can take mushrooms recreationally or you can do the heroic dose and be guided.
You can do ayahuasca in the Amazon and it's a fucking world different.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
kyle kingsbury
It's a totally different experience.
Yeah.
Yeah, going back to Kratom.
Thankfully, I've always had this thing with opiates where if I had too much, I get nauseated really bad.
So I can take one or two pills and it is a mild stimulant.
I drove to Greenfield's house when I was living in Vegas to podcast with him.
A thousand miles each direction.
And I just have one pill every three hours.
joe rogan
Wow.
kyle kingsbury
And it was awesome.
I was fucking...
I felt great.
joe rogan
So one pill every three hours just kept you focused while you're driving?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, and there's mild euphoria.
I felt good being in that little-ass Prius the whole way, which is important, right?
Let me sweeten the deal.
joe rogan
I don't even know how you climb in that thing.
kyle kingsbury
I've got to fucking get in there.
Those things are so small.
If I take three or more, I'm fucked up.
I'm riding that fence.
Am I going to puke?
Am I going to puke?
joe rogan
So I think that so even for you they have the same reaction that like an oxy would have yep, and I've had I mean in college I did some weird shit.
I keistered an oxy once and Felt fucking for the folks not learned in the ways of the dirty dogs He put it up his asshole two knuckles deep not super keyster knuckles deep people that people are like what keistered It's a big guy.
Let's do our good dudes would just go.
Oh Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Last time when I was on your show, you were like, oh, you lost me when you told me the trees started talking to you when I was describing an ayahuasca experience.
That'll be the one this time.
unidentified
You lost me when you talked about putting a pill up your ass.
kyle kingsbury
That's when they turn off the podcast.
But yeah, I felt fucking great that one time.
I snorted one later, like a few weeks later, and I was fucked up.
I was fucking puking the whole time.
joe rogan
You snorted it?
kyle kingsbury
You could suck off the...
I don't want to tell people how to do bad drugs.
I want to tell people how to do good drugs.
joe rogan
Why would you snort it?
Because it goes right into your bloodstream?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
You know, you can suck off that time release, crush it up, let it dry.
joe rogan
Wow.
kyle kingsbury
So, but that ultimately, that was like, well, yeah, there's still, thankfully, I still have this fucking regulator in my body that says, don't put these fucking super addictive man-made chemicals in your body.
joe rogan
That's fascinating.
Do you think it's Kratom man-made?
No, it's sort of a plant, right?
kyle kingsbury
It is plant-based.
I mean, all this shit's plant-based.
The issue is when we take something and we fucking concentrate it and change it in a way that We're good to go.
joe rogan
Have you ever had coca tea?
kyle kingsbury
I've had coca tea.
I've thrown coca leaf.
They call it Mambé in Colombia.
joe rogan
You chew it in your mouth?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
How is it?
kyle kingsbury
It's fucking amazing.
unidentified
Really?
kyle kingsbury
It's like a cup of coffee though.
Like less jittery.
Your brain turns on.
It's a nootropic.
You feel like a million bucks.
joe rogan
It's good shit.
We can't have it because of Miami.
They fucked us.
Their whole city is made out of coke.
unidentified
Did you know that?
kyle kingsbury
No.
joe rogan
No, dude.
Have you ever seen Cocaine Cowboys?
kyle kingsbury
Yes.
joe rogan
Dude, that's all Miami.
All that area of Florida.
At one point in time, I don't know if it's still the case, but Miami had more banks per capita than any place else in the country.
Because everybody was just laundering coke money.
And coke was just coming in like crazy.
There's so many great documentaries on it.
It's a really, really fascinating time in history.
Cocaine Cowboys once, shout out to Billy Corbin...
The first one, they talked about how many of these police officers wound up dead or in jail.
And it was like an entire class, graduating class, either was dead or in jail for corruption by the time they had made this time period, however many years it was, of this cocaine trafficking.
It was crazy, man.
Incredible time in human history.
Man.
jamie vernon
This article says that it's ramped back up to those 1980s drug war heights of production.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Okay, so how's it getting in?
That's the question.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
How are they getting it in?
kyle kingsbury
I don't think that's a problem.
joe rogan
I don't think it is either, but how are they doing it?
And how do they...
I mean, that's a lot of money.
kyle kingsbury
That's why.
joe rogan
Where are you putting all that money?
kyle kingsbury
There's so much money in it that...
joe rogan
What?
Look at this.
Florida Customs and Border Protection confiscated 4,200 pounds of cocaine last year compared to 1,730 pounds the year prior.
Dude, that's so much coke.
kyle kingsbury
That means the guy that was getting paid off the year before got caught.
joe rogan
Maybe.
kyle kingsbury
How else are they getting it in?
joe rogan
Maybe they just caught more coke that time.
Maybe they're getting coked up and then they're taking the boats.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're just taking risks.
I know where these fucking cops hide.
unidentified
I know them better than they know themselves.
joe rogan
We've never seen cocaine production at these numbers.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Stay the fuck out of Miami for a while, folks.
It could get crazy.
kyle kingsbury
Or go there.
joe rogan
Or go there.
Yep.
I like the way you think, dude.
Into the fray.
You know?
kyle kingsbury
Where's the party?
Miami.
joe rogan
The DEA estimates Columbia produced 710 tons of pure cocaine last year or enough to fill about 18 semi-trucks.
kyle kingsbury
Did you see that they found the first coca farm in Mexico?
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
That could be a problem.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
Well, it actually might help with the drug wars.
joe rogan
Really?
kyle kingsbury
If they can grow it.
joe rogan
Get them to fight against each other?
Is that what you're saying?
kyle kingsbury
They can grow it.
Yeah.
Mexicans and Colombians have been fighting for a long ass time.
joe rogan
So they would start fighting with each other and that would help the drug war?
kyle kingsbury
They would fight less because Mexico would have its own production.
But, I mean, they said it was growing in a place that wasn't the same altitude, and obviously cocaine is an alkaloid that is really, it grows at altitude, so you want that environmental stimulus for that.
You want the hormetic stressor in order for it to produce more cocaine pound for pound, and I think it would produce far less.
That's at least what they were saying in the article, which makes sense to me.
joe rogan
What's the justification for...
What is this, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Drug mule?
Yeah, this is how they're getting it in.
It says speedboats, drug mules, and...
joe rogan
This poor old lady.
Look at this poor old lady.
kyle kingsbury
She's holding a kilo.
joe rogan
She looks like she's about 70 years old.
Maybe older.
Maybe 80 years old.
And she's fully strapped up with cocaine.
I mean, who could blame this lady?
Do you think she's out there hustling?
She got a pistol in people's faces?
kyle kingsbury
She got the shit beat out of her, too.
That's fucked up.
joe rogan
That is fucked up.
kyle kingsbury
So we need more good drugs and less bad drugs.
joe rogan
We definitely need more good drugs.
We need to do something to get this This wave of negativity that so many people are experiencing on a regular basis.
Settle that down and bring that up.
kyle kingsbury
Do you know anybody that's done ketamine treatment?
joe rogan
Yes.
kyle kingsbury
And pretty good results, right?
joe rogan
Neil Brennan had very good results.
He liked it quite a bit.
He's done a bunch of different things for depression.
Magnetic things and ketamine things.
He said ketamine was very effective.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, I had one of my first coaches, a striking coach.
He had, you know, he'd been put on every kind of fucking SSRI for years and just felt like shit.
And he did four ketamine treatments and he's down to like one SSRI. He's off 90% of his medication.
He says he's never felt better.
And like that shitty voice that everyone has in their head that was so loud for him is non-existent now.
unidentified
Whoa.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, we got to do that.
Dr. Craig put us through slightly different.
Most of the people that I think that are doing ketamine treatment do it IV. We had an intramuscular injection of ketamine.
joe rogan
That's the John Lilly.
kyle kingsbury
It was fucking insane.
Like, 40 minutes long.
And it was kind of tied in with the stem cells, really, to just be in a state of allowing and whatever subconscious level of accepting this foreign substance into your body, let's kind of move the needle on that.
Again, that's theory.
joe rogan
What's the experience like?
It's a psychedelic, right?
kyle kingsbury
It is, but it's different.
So, again, we talked about the classical types.
Tryptamine Bay is going to fit in serotonin receptors in different parts of the brain.
This is a dissociative.
So it pulls you back layers.
You know, like we talked about Eckhart Tolle last time, how he talks, be the observer, be the witness of your thoughts.
You're not your thoughts.
Just pull yourself back a layer and kind of see your mind chatter as this interesting thing, like kids arguing, right?
This will force that.
And it pulls you back layers beyond that, like to the point where You know you're not in your body.
But when you reenter your body, there's a lot of gratitude.
And you can kind of see things where they are.
You understand now, like, oh, this is how I was feeling before.
But I've been removed from it long enough to when I come back to it, I can recognize it for what it is.
And I don't have depression now.
So doing it was just more of a, let's see what happens.
Kind of intention as opposed to people that are going in there working on shit.
Might be a bit different for them.
But it was fucking bananas.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've never touched it.
I knew a guy who got addicted to it though as a street drug, as a party drug.
You know, some people snort it.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, I've snorted it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What does it do?
kyle kingsbury
It's, you know, it's kind of like LSD. You have a microdose of LSD. Completely different experience than a full hit or two to five to whatever.
All different experiences.
You know, if you take like a key bump, a key bump for people with the lack of the terminology would just be like the end of a key is worth.
Key bump?
Into a bag.
You just quick little snort.
Okay.
It's very relaxing.
You want to move.
But if you push the envelope a little bit, because it's disassociative, it's very disorienting.
Like, I don't know where the fuck I am or what's going on.
If you go really far, it's similar to injecting it, where you go in the K-hole, you're kind of paralyzed, and close your eyes, you're in a different spot.
You're in a different spot.
But the psychedelic trip from that is...
joe rogan
You said you're in a different spot, like you're in a different place, like psychedelic?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, like you could be...
I mean, for 30 to 45 minutes, you could be in a vision.
You could be elsewhere.
Your consciousness is not in your body.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
That's the K-hole.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, that's the K-hole.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The guy who invented the sensory deprivation tank used to do it intramuscularly and then climb into the tank.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, I heard that he had...
At one point by the end he was so hooked on it that he would run an IV so he could stay on 24 hours in there.
But you know, I was telling you about that book that he wrote, The Center of the Cyclone.
Yeah.
That was a fucking fascinating book because he would get, as a medical doctor, 300 He'd get ampules of 300 IU from Sandoz Pharmaceuticals, a pharmaceutical-grade LSD, do that intravenous, then get in the float tank for 10 hours.
And the trip reports he has, when you read these, they're very ayahuasca-esque, like talking to other beings and other consciousness, DMT-like experience, but 10 hours, not fucking 15 minutes.
craig jones
Just fastening like he's and as a doctor so with detailed in his explanation of what he's seeing what it means to him Pretty fucking cool That's an experience that once you know that you can have I don't know that if I I would have a real hard time Fitting into regular life.
joe rogan
If I knew that I could just have that 10-hour, like the DMT flash of 15 minutes of the weirdest interactions with whatever they are, whatever those things are, when you come back, imagine that for 10 hours.
It might, you know, it might just change everything about your perceptions of life.
You might just give up on civilization and move to the forest or something.
And that's exactly what happened to the Unabomber.
You know, the Unabomber is a part of the Harvard LSD studies.
They juiced that guy to the tits.
kyle kingsbury
Damn.
joe rogan
And then afterwards he went to be a professor at Berkeley so he could save up enough money so he could buy a fucking house in the woods and blow up the people that are creating technology.
Because the technology is what's going to supplant human beings.
It's gonna gonna take over usurp our position on earth or some crazy shit And he just decided he was gonna kill all these fucking scientists and remember that he was like yeah, but that's not That's an odd take I had a different take on technology in an ayahuasca ceremony where I saw...
kyle kingsbury
Pretty much what's happening now.
It was like this beautiful merging.
It wasn't man left behind.
It wasn't super intelligence with Nick Bostrom where we have to worry about this thing taking over.
We fucking stayed neck and neck with it and integrate with it throughout.
And we do change.
We're not the fucking same, but we're not the same now.
That's one of the things they talked about.
Who's the first cyborg?
Eyeglasses.
You wear fucking eyeglasses, you're a fucking cyborg.
That's man-made technology integrated into your being that changes your perception of reality.
joe rogan
Sure.
kyle kingsbury
Right?
So we're already doing that with our fucking phones.
We're already there.
Cars.
Yeah, you have this weird idea that it has to be implanted into you in order for that to be the case.
We're already fucking there.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're there both with the connection, with this thing that's always in our pocket, and then with transportation.
And then your transportation hooks up to the connection so you can listen to things.
You know, like, I mean, how many times are you in your car listening to a book on tape through Bluetooth, you know, or a podcast that you download?
kyle kingsbury
That's everything.
Aubrey has a chapter in his book on the day on that.
It's mindfulness or mindfulness.
So when you're driving, what's the worst part of fucking most people's days?
The commute, right?
So you can choose to be a pissed off guy, you can listen to talk radio, you can do all these things, or you can practice mindfulness meditation.
Where you're resetting yourself.
You're giving yourself some quiet time.
Obviously, eyes are open while your hands are on the wheel.
Or you do mindfulness where you fucking throw on a dope podcast or a book from Audible.
And you would take information in that's going to help you fucking grow as a person, right?
joe rogan
Or just even be entertaining.
I enjoy fictional books.
I like some fiction on audiobooks.
kyle kingsbury
What's your favorite fiction?
joe rogan
You know what?
I love Stephen King books, but I do not like it when he reads them.
You need to hire a fucking professional, goddammit.
kyle kingsbury
I like the author.
joe rogan
I do, almost always.
I'm reading The Tipping Point from Malcolm Gladwell, and hearing him do the audio part is great.
Because he's very passionate about the subject matter and he's the guy that wrote it and so him reading out these results and all these different facts and really fascinating things about the tipping point and you know certain trends is Stephen King is like he's a brilliant brilliant writer like one of my favorite writers for sure my favorite horror writer I loved his shit like I used to read him when I was taking the train to go to taekwondo practice I would read Stephen King books all day long.
That's all I'd read So I was always a giant fan as, but as a professional actor, perhaps do a more spirited job.
kyle kingsbury
I've had some fucking bad actors on Audible.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can get some bad ones.
kyle kingsbury
You know, but like radio hosts, you know, like in the next chapter, we're going to tell you why advanced glycation end products are the devil.
And you're like, fuck off, dude.
Like it's just, it ruins it for me.
joe rogan
Well, especially when telling a story, this is my thing.
You need someone who has a very good sense of theater, like the way they communicate the words, the way they say the words, the emphasis they put on each individual word, especially with fiction.
That's really important.
kyle kingsbury
It's odd to me, though, that Audible doesn't coach him on that, because Aubrey was saying when he did the book, he was non-fucking-stop coaching.
joe rogan
Aubrey?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, if he was reading something, they'd be like, excuse me, Mr. Marcus, we're going to have you go ahead and reread, starting at the top of the page.
It sounds like your mind's in a different place.
They would catch everything, every influx, because he's got to read far ahead, you've got to know where you're going with it, all that shit.
Maybe they've changed over time with their approach to that.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's probably completely different for different subject matter.
Aubrey's book is obviously a self-help book, Own the Day.
but other books that are stories about like monsters or some shit like that like what's required of the the guy reading and has to have a sense of theater he's telling a story there's got to be a the pauses have to be like a professional like a professional voice actor those that's what you want for those things yeah they're better at it they're just Stephen King's a wizard at writing I mean he's fucking phenomenal but I don't want to hear him doing different voices and shit like it's just too weird You know,
he's got a great book, though, and it's great not just for writers, but for everybody.
It's Stephen King on writing.
It's really interesting, because there's a lot of his life and work philosophy in the book.
And I feel like when I read about someone who is, in my opinion, a One of the greatest contributors to, like, fun books and fun horror movies.
I mean, he's an all-time king to me.
And so to be able to say, like, well, what was going on in that guy's head as he was writing Carrie?
Like, how did he conceive of Christine?
Like, what's his process?
What's his process for writing?
It's really interesting, man.
First of all, he doesn't even know what the fuck he's gonna write.
When he starts something, he doesn't know where he's going.
He just does it.
And as he's doing it, he figures out where it's going to go.
That's part of the genius of his method, is that it's not like this sort of like...
kyle kingsbury
He doesn't have a fucking outline before he gets into it.
joe rogan
Yeah, Bob is going to get bit by the snake, and then Bob's going to turn into a horse, and then all this stuff is going to happen, and then his wife's going to fall in love with that horse, and then he's going to be mad when he becomes a person again.
He just goes with it.
He just shows up every day and just puts in the time and focuses on it and then makes it happen.
What a crazy way to make a living.
To just invent stories and weird things that happen and just put it all together in your head and then give it to people like, look what I've done.
I came up with a story and then you open it like, fuck, where's the story going?
This story's crazy.
It's a really interesting way to make a living because he's using, like he's flexing one very specific part of his brain that Most people don't really use it all, or hardly ever use.
kyle kingsbury
Most of us don't have any type of creativity left.
It's sucked out through school.
unidentified
For work.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, we're fucking taught to just go sit and be a cog in the machine.
joe rogan
Unless you're super fortunate and have a job where you can create.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
kyle kingsbury
Gotta tickle that piece, though.
I met this guy, Ted Decker, who's one of fucking Aubrey's greatest mentors out in Sedona.
And he's a fictional writer for the most part.
But just fucking...
He's a wizard.
And I was doing a water fast.
So I had a five-day water fast.
joe rogan
Just water?
kyle kingsbury
Just water for five days.
joe rogan
How long did you make it?
kyle kingsbury
Four and a half.
joe rogan
Damn.
You came up half a day early?
kyle kingsbury
Well, the thing was...
joe rogan
You were so close to home.
kyle kingsbury
The thing was...
The science show is four days, right?
Four days is the magic mark.
So the extra day was just like, all right, I got an extra day to go.
But we hiked Cathedral Rock in Sedona, and it's fucking epic.
And there is an energy there, like New York, but different.
joe rogan
But what's going on with Sedona?
Why is Sedona all this?
This is Sedona.
kyle kingsbury
Well, from what I understand, why it's the hippies, travelers guide, and everybody wants to be there, is...
Are you familiar with pulse electromagnetic frequency?
unidentified
I've heard those words put together in that order.
kyle kingsbury
So for everyone that's about to jump on the fucking woo-woo bandwagon and shit on me right now, punch in the Google bar.
Do me a solid punch in the Google bar.
NASA study on PEMF. Okay, let's check this.
Three-year fucking study.
It's verified.
The Earth has its own energy field.
Whether you think the Earth's alive and its guy and all that, I'll leave that up to you.
But it has its own fucking energy field.
And so it's not the same.
It's not equal throughout the Earth.
There are places where that's accentuated, and you feel that more.
You feel it more when you're in the ocean.
There's negative ions there.
Wallace J. Nichols wrote...
joe rogan
Physiological and molecular genetic effects of time-varying electromagnetic fields on human neuronal cells.
I've never seen that word before.
Neuronal?
Neuronal?
kyle kingsbury
Neuronal cells.
joe rogan
Neuronal.
Why is it just because it's all in caps that it looks so weird to me?
You know, occasionally a word just looks weird.
unidentified
That looks weird, that word.
Neuronal?
kyle kingsbury
Neuronal.
There's a good book, PEMF. I forget the author, but I think it has to do with that.
I think it has to do with that.
So you really do feel that energy there.
It's palpable and it's not fucking make-believe.
So knowing that we'd be in this special place, Knowing that I'd be with some really interesting people and that if I was to take some medicine at that point in time after fasting for four days.
joe rogan
What Hamilton Morrison would call drugs.
kyle kingsbury
Yes, what he would call drugs.
unidentified
What?
kyle kingsbury
So I had 200 micrograms of LSD. Okay.
And I won't mention anybody else that had it with me just because maybe don't sign off on that kind of shit publicly.
But we hiked to the top of the Cathedral Rock and it's fucking incredible.
I mean, incredible.
And another buddy of mine who's a teacher at Black Swan Yoga, he brought up some really good cacao from the chocolate, but pure fucking cacao from Guatemala.
He made it into these drinks.
And that's what I broke the fast with.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
kyle kingsbury
And there's chemicals in that.
It's funny when people fucking qualify as drugs, because, like Terrence and Dennis McKenna say, we are walking bags of chemicals.
This caffeine that I'm drinking right now is a fucking drug.
100%.
joe rogan
100%.
kyle kingsbury
Theobromine in cacao is a drug.
It's an alkaloid in cacao that...
We'll elevate heart rate.
It's a mild diuretic, and it fucking opens the heart.
It's like a microdose of MDMA. Really?
Cacao is?
Stacking that.
Why do you think people fucking love chocolate?
unidentified
What?
kyle kingsbury
It's amazing.
joe rogan
Theobromine's special shit.
But chocolate would have the tiniest amount of it.
unidentified
Is that the case?
kyle kingsbury
It depends what chocolate you're eating, right?
If you're eating some really bitter dark chocolate, that's going to have higher amounts.
But we had a fuckton of this.
You're supposed to have four ounces is a good dose.
joe rogan
Four ounces of liquid?
kyle kingsbury
This liquid, with their special preparation method.
joe rogan
My special blend, my friend.
kyle kingsbury
Special blend.
joe rogan
So what is the, like, what is, is like a shake?
Like, is there other stuff in it?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, there's some cayenne, there's lemon juice, there's different things that help activate it.
It's done the way the Mayans did.
It's been passed down generation after generation.
joe rogan
And it's like microdosing MDMA? Yeah, and so stack that with...
kyle kingsbury
The LSD and it's kind of like a candy flip.
Now, could people just go buy cacao and micro-dosed MDMA? Well, you got to order it offline or online and do the preparation properly, but I mean, there's no doubt you feel different.
It's warming, you feel more loving, you're sensitive to touch.
joe rogan
But this is not in any way illegal, right?
kyle kingsbury
No, it's not in any way illegal.
joe rogan
Cacao is food.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, I've been talking to a guy who's like, look, if they fucking just discovered cacao today, they would say, Potentially, this is a drug.
joe rogan
I've never heard this before.
This is fascinating.
unidentified
Theobromine.
kyle kingsbury
Fucking look it up.
There's a ton of shit.
This guy that's on selfhacked.com, I forget his name, but he's a wizard, and he has amazing articles on different chemicals.
unidentified
Wow.
kyle kingsbury
He talks about 13 scientifically backed studies on theobromine that are all human studies.
unidentified
Dude.
kyle kingsbury
It's dope shit.
So anyways, we take this, and we climb the mountain.
We're in nature.
We're doing fucking Wim Hof breathing and different shit up there.
We looked the part.
We were sticking out like sore thumbs.
Like a fucking 230 pound guy with his shirt off doing...
joe rogan
Why snorting cacao could be the next party drug.
Next big party drug.
Oh my god.
And that's on Maxim.com.
Jesus Christ, this is crazy.
kyle kingsbury
We take our substances, we're up there, and this guy, he's got like 12 books that are number one bestsellers.
joe rogan
This guy's gonna snort it.
Oh, is he joking around?
He's joking around as fuck.
I don't think so.
He's not snorting.
kyle kingsbury
Oh, those are key bumps.
joe rogan
Key bumps.
What are you saying?
He's going to snort that?
kyle kingsbury
Yep.
joe rogan
He is going to snort that.
Here we go.
Let me see what you got, son.
kyle kingsbury
Fucking pound it.
joe rogan
You pound it?
You just pounded up your nose?
kyle kingsbury
Atta boy.
Actually, I have snorted Theo Bromain recently as the office guinea pig.
That's not the way I would recommend administering it.
joe rogan
What's wrong with going up the nose?
Uncomfortable?
kyle kingsbury
It's not that bad.
joe rogan
No?
kyle kingsbury
That's not a blanket recommendation for people, though.
joe rogan
But this is not a dangerous substance.
kyle kingsbury
No.
No.
I mean, too much of it, you know, there's a fucking upper limit to anything, even water.
But, you know, on the mountain, going back to this, on the mountain with Ted Decker.
joe rogan
Ted Decker.
Hi, Ted.
kyle kingsbury
Ted's the fucking man.
And he's written all these books and he's like, would you like me to tell a story?
And imagine you're sitting with Stephen King on LSD on the mountaintop and he says, would you like me to tell you a story?
That level of fucking writer.
And he goes into one of his books and I was fucking sold, like just drawn right in.
I could see everything, fucking alien worlds, all this shit that she's got to battle.
And you really see like just the mind, like how creative the mind can be.
It blew me the fuck away.
Of course, the substance has helped me draw me into it, but man, he's a special guy.
joe rogan
Well, there's quite a few special people out there, which is why we're so lucky we can go to the movies.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I mean, think of how much fucking creativity, how much thought and imagining scenarios and putting them all together that it takes to make, like I saw The Incredibles 2 yesterday.
kyle kingsbury
Is it?
joe rogan
Oh, fucking incredible!
kyle kingsbury
I love the first one.
joe rogan
I didn't even mean to say incredible because it's The Incredibles.
It's great.
kyle kingsbury
We're considering taking Bear to that, but he's only three, so we're not sure if he'll appreciate it.
He loves those movies at home, but, you know, he talks and shit like that.
joe rogan
But little kids talk at the movie theater when you go to little kid movies.
It's normal.
It's cool.
There's other little kids doing it, too.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, we think we might do that for The Incredibles, too.
So they're fucking so good.
The Pixar movies are so good.
Did you ever see The Good Dinosaur?
joe rogan
That doesn't...
I've got to be honest.
That does annoy people, though.
If you go when a bunch of teenagers are there or, like, young adults and the baby starts talking...
They should be, like, a day...
There should be certain shows.
kyle kingsbury
They do them now.
First show of the day, and the kids are allowed to talk.
First show of the day in a lot of theaters do that.
joe rogan
Oh, see, that's smart.
kyle kingsbury
For the matinee.
joe rogan
That's smart.
That's smart.
But damn, that opens up the door if you tell them they're allowed to talk.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, that's true.
I'd still try to keep it quiet.
But dude, Good Dinosaur, Pixar movie, and they fucking trip balls in the movie.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
What did they eat?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, they eat like some rotten fruit and the fucking green dinosaur grows like four eyes.
Then they switch heads and they're running through everywhere.
joe rogan
I forgot all about that.
kyle kingsbury
With each other's skulls.
He sticks his tongue out and he's got the kid's face for his tongue.
It was awesome.
joe rogan
I forgot all about that.
kyle kingsbury
They're trickling it in.
The society's changing.
joe rogan
You think?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
For sure.
kyle kingsbury
Fuck yeah.
It's the renaissance.
Michael Pollan said that and he's not even an advocate.
joe rogan
He knows it's changing.
Well, he's kind of more of an advocate now, certainly, than he was before he wrote that book, his most recent book on psychedelics.
That changed his life.
kyle kingsbury
I think it's a smart play if you're a person in his position to say, like, look, I'm just an advocate for the science.
But as Rick Doblin says, when this stuff becomes available to people, it's never going to be you go fill your fucking prescription of psilocybin at Walgreens and you can go fuck off anywhere you want.
They'll have facility centers where people can go and it'll be guided, the right circumstances, set and setting will be paid attention to.
But in that experience, It shouldn't just be for sick people.
It shouldn't just be for people with depression or PTSD or some type of, you know, rape victims.
Fill in the blank.
It should be healthy individuals that also want to have a deeper connection and to figure shit out and have new perspective in life, right?
And Poland, I would qualify as that.
I think he's a healthy guy.
Heart shit aside, he's a healthy guy who wanted to have an experience that would draw him in a little deeper so he could understand.
And now when you listen to him talk about it, there's no doubt he's fucking sold on it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think what you're saying is really important because I don't think there should be any restrictions on something that's super beneficial.
If there's no real indications that it's hurting these people, and it's all these indications that it's helping these people, especially when it comes to trauma.
Look, man, There's certain people that for sure have experienced way more trauma than others.
There's certain people that have been to war.
They've lost friends.
They've been involved in car accidents.
There's certain people that have been through things that are just horrific and almost impossible to forget.
And that is a fact that they should have access to this medicine.
But just because, like, some girl lived her life and didn't have anything traumatic happen to her, and she's trying to find her way in this world, and she's trying to figure out, you know, what is insecurity?
Or what is my connection to these people?
What are my real passions and drives in life?
She says, I'm gonna take some sort of a...
MDMA, Molly trip and find out how I feel about things.
Find out if it gives me anything.
She should be able to do it too.
She should be able to experiment with her brain and see, like, hey, all these people are reporting super positive experiences.
What, am I supposed to ignore it?
Because some bureaucrat has decided for whatever connection they have to some pharmaceutical companies that you fucking keep this gate tight on making anything legal.
Anything you make legal is going to fuck with my bottom line.
And that's what a lot of people think.
And so there's this weird sort of disconnect between the people that want the drugs and the people that won't let you have the drugs.
Like, who are you working for?
The people that won't let us have the drugs?
And why do these other people that don't want the drugs think the drugs are bad?
Do they have any pot experience themselves?
No.
Well, then you can't vote about pot, you fuck.
You know, I mean, that's crazy, right?
You shouldn't be a doctor unless you go to med school.
You shouldn't talk about driving a car if you've never driven a fucking car.
unidentified
You can't talk about pot if you don't do it.
joe rogan
You don't know what you're talking about.
So, oh, you smoke pot, you got real high, you got paranoid, so everybody shouldn't smoke pot?
Fuck off, pussy.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, that's Graham Hancock.
You know what he's talking about?
Richard Dawkins.
You don't have a seat at the fucking table to tell me what my ayahuasca experience is unless you've done it.
You don't get a seat at the table.
You don't get to tell me it's some neurochemical reaction, and this is where it fits in the brain if you haven't had that experience.
You can't tell me that that's...
And that's what's...
The one thing that's fucking odd, at the very least, when people go through these experiences, and Poland talks about this too...
It's how real it feels.
It's how important it is and how much meaning they have, right?
Nobody's gonna fucking tell me that my ayahuasca experience didn't mean shit.
I saw, you know, in one of them, my wife and I shared the same vision of holding a child.
And the next experience we saw it was a boy and fucking all the fear of being a parent came up and Less than a month later We were pregnant with bear like that's as real as it fucking gets and it manifested after that Coincidence or not.
joe rogan
I have a real problem with the word real, too You know when when people try to say that's not real or that's a hallucination.
It doesn't matter It's the same experience By saying it's not real, so what are you saying?
You're saying that I can't grab it and throw a fucking net over it and drag it away and then show it to you again?
Yeah, well then it's not real.
kyle kingsbury
You can't be repeated in a double blind study.
joe rogan
How can you say it's not real if it's happening?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, and you can't repeat that.
joe rogan
Is that a weird thing though?
kyle kingsbury
I could take ayahuasca the rest of my life and I'm still not going to repeat the same vision and the same fucking experience again.
joe rogan
Yeah, anytime you think you got DMT figured out, your next trip is going to be a mind-bender.
Your next trip, you get cocky going in there, like, I've done this before, I'm just pretty relaxed about my DMT trips.
I used to really freak out, but I don't anymore.
Bitch, you better be scared.
You better be scared.
You're white-knuckling it right now.
kyle kingsbury
You're going to go deep.
Gabber Mate said the same thing about Aya.
He's done hundreds of ceremonies, and he still gets nervous every fucking time he does it.
joe rogan
You should get nervous before you do anything that's important.
It's a sign that you're getting ready for something crazy.
kyle kingsbury
Well, and there's a healthy level of respect.
I think most people run into the issue, you know, they want to alter their consciousness, and they'll take a substance thinking like, this is going to make me feel a certain way, and then all of a sudden they've got to deal with some shit.
They've got to work through something, and that's not what they had on their radar.
joe rogan
No, I agree.
And then also this need to control the experience is always the thing that fucking sends everybody off the rails and into the woods.
If they are having any kind of experience, this need to control that experience.
Like, no, there's no, no, fuck this.
I'm sitting down.
You know, and like, no, man, you gotta let go.
If you don't let go, you're gone.
kyle kingsbury
And you gotta surrender to it.
joe rogan
And if you don't, you're gonna go through 15 minutes of Satan.
kyle kingsbury
I was with my old man in Panama at the tribal gathering, and we were both doing an ayahuasca ceremony together.
And we had the first cup, and it's strong.
Like, Shipibo Shaman came in, fucking amazing experience.
And they offered the second cup, and I'm like, get up, dude, we're doing it.
And he's like, I don't know.
And I'm like, come on, let's go.
So we take the second cup, we come lay back down.
And I've had, I mean, to ballpark, there's been ceremonies where I've had four cups, and it was...
joe rogan
Launch.
kyle kingsbury
You know?
This two cup, that's where we were.
Fucking launched.
So we go back into the teepee.
And, you know, noble silence.
We're not talking to each other.
And he just grabs my arm and he's like, I'm gonna leave.
I'm floating out of here.
I don't want to go.
I don't want to go.
And I was like, fuck yeah, dude.
Let go.
Let go.
Go with it.
Now's your opportunity.
Let go.
See where it takes you.
And he's like, no.
No, I'm not letting go.
joe rogan
I want down.
kyle kingsbury
I want down right now.
It's too much.
I'm too high.
And I'm like, well, high's not the right term.
And this other guy from Switzerland hurt us.
And he goes, here, rub some peppermint on his wrist.
It will help him.
And he came over and fucking put peppermint oil and that grounded him.
But then after that, you know, he's done ayahuasca since then.
And he was like, fuck, that was my opportunity to fucking break through and go deeper than I've ever been before.
But I wasn't prepared.
I wasn't ready to let go and surrender to it.
unidentified
Wow.
kyle kingsbury
And that's it, man.
You want to have that mindset going in where if you face some shit, it's okay.
And if you have the opportunity, especially in fucking DMT or Ayahuasca, which is DMT-based, to have that ability, like, all right, the answer is yes.
joe rogan
It makes you wonder what the guys who created yoga were doing.
I think I think those people like those people that learn how to do those long Holding poses that they were practicing it.
There's a lot of belief that those people were eating a lot of hash Like especially the the earliest people that were that created it and they were Soma whatever the fuck Soma was you ever hear references to Soma?
I don't I don't think they know what that is some sort of a psychedelic but that whole Practice of yoga, if you really think about it, a lot of what yoga is, you have to just breathe and just concentrate on maintaining the pose.
You have to put yourself into this surrender zone.
You can't fight a position.
You just kind of accept it and just concentrate on breathing and hold it as long as you can until your body starts giving out and then you let it go again.
But I think that prepares you in some way to let go in psychedelic experiences.
I think that people that don't have any...
If you don't have any kind of physical altercation with your body, there's no moment where you're like, come on, man, come on, breathe, breathe, breathe, go, go, go.
If you don't have any of those, if you never...
I mean, I don't give a fuck what you're doing, whether it's a spin class or just...
If you never have anything where you're pushing yourself when you don't want to do it, but you make yourself do it and then you did it.
If you don't have those, like those little...
Moments where you overcame something that feels uncomfortable.
Then those bends in the trip road are scary dark.
Because you don't have any success in coming back from bad states.
You don't have any success in coming back from feeling really scared or feeling really nervous.
Those build up a database.
If you don't have a lot of success in doing those, or especially success in getting your body to just fucking relax.
Just fucking relax.
It's just a broken leg.
If you don't have that in you, it's probably real hard.
To navigate some of the darker roads of a trip, where you just have to just kind of just breathe and just try to stay as calm as you can.
Let it embrace you as calm as you can.
kyle kingsbury
I think that it works both ways, too.
You know, like you have...
If you put yourself in uncomfortable, stressful spots in everyday life, like a cold bath or the cryo, and you can stay calm in the fucking eye of the storm and come out of that...
Yeah.
You're a little bit more chill.
It's not that big of a deal.
And same thing in the psychedelic experience.
You go through some rough shit.
You come out of that.
Okay.
All right.
I still have my body.
I was able to work through that.
Now it kind of lowers the noise on all the bullshit in life.
joe rogan
Yeah, I agree.
I think there's something to what you just said about doing cryo, too.
Cryo does make you chill out after, I mean, for lack of a better term, no pun intended.
But everything's so elevated after you get out of there, you feel so good.
That's a feeling that, like, if there was a way to do that in a spray, if you could buy that feel-good spray at 7-Eleven and give yourself a couple pumps, the same way you feel right after cryo, it would hit you and be like, whoa!
You just get this, ooh, you come out and all of a sudden your body feels warm again.
You feel great.
It's a nice little trick.
It's a very nice little trick.
And it helps so many people in so many different ways with arthritis and people who have constant inflammation and back problems and knee problems.
It's just, there's such a good way to just give your body just a little extra reduction in inflammation.
Just give yourself a little jolt.
unidentified
Ah, ooh.
Oh!
joe rogan
Feels good, man.
People poo-poo it.
I don't understand the poo-pooing of it.
kyle kingsbury
They're looking at it now.
They're studying Wim Hof at Stanford.
They see 550% increase in dopamine.
unidentified
Wow.
kyle kingsbury
200 to 300% increase in adrenaline, which impacts the immune system positively.
joe rogan
For how long of a Wim Hof experience?
kyle kingsbury
They have different levels of cold.
They're studying at one minute at 60 degrees, or 10 minutes at 60 degrees, one minute at 30 degrees, and then they're trying to There's going to be more science that comes out on different, because I want to know, like, how long at 40?
How long in the cryo?
How long does it...
But we know there's some type of neurochemical response from it that you feel, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
So it's not just this...
You know, it's not placebo.
It's not just your mind making this up or, man, I feel really good.
I think something's changed.
Like, no, you are.
You are changing.
It does have an impact.
joe rogan
And also, stop and think about all the people that we're always scared of.
The fucking Vikings and the Russians.
We're scared of people coming out of the snow.
kyle kingsbury
And the white walkers.
joe rogan
We're fucking scared.
That's the same thing probably.
There's probably something in our head, someone who could survive the snow, that we can't.
Like, fuck, he's not even scared to be cold.
You know?
I mean, that is...
Who's the scariest people in this country?
Or the toughest?
Alaskans.
This motherfucker, they have shows.
They have like 10 shows.
There's only 100 people in Alaska.
They have 10 shows on people living in Alaska.
kyle kingsbury
There's too many fucking shows.
joe rogan
There's so many of those shows.
I know there's millions of people living in Alaska.
Maybe not even, right?
No.
It's not even.
Didn't we already go over this?
Anchorage is like 400,000 people, I think.
I might have made that up.
What's the number?
jamie vernon
740,000 for the whole state.
joe rogan
Whoa!
How many people does Anchorage have?
700. Wow, not even a million for the whole state.
But there's like 18 shows on people living in Alaska.
But they're hardy people.
You look at them, you're like, damn, what would I do?
jamie vernon
Three to four hundred thousand, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, so it was about right.
So that's like a...
Anchorage is like a real spot, like a real city, sort of.
I mean, real nice bars and restaurants and shit like that.
But these shows about those people that live up there, those are all the people that live in, like, the Arctic Circle area, and they chop their own fucking firewood and fight wolves off and shit, like...
There's this one dude, we've talked about him several times in the podcast, that lives by himself.
He's the weirdest of all the weird people.
Because all these other people live in regular houses, and they just live in a house that's connected to this river, and they take their dogs dog sledding, and they do all this shit, but they live in a normal house.
They go into a house.
This motherfucker has like this tiny shack and he lives right next to a lake and he lives by himself and he walks everywhere and he somehow or another gets like pelts and shit and makes enough money to buy bullets and and he lives out there by himself and he'll come into town like once every couple years apparently used to be married used to have a family fascinating guy I mean, this guy's not faking it.
He's actually really living up there by himself in this room that's way smaller than this studio.
And he lives by himself next to a lake.
And he had to shoot wolves one night because they were coming for his fucking moose or his caribou.
The whole thing's crazy.
Like, it's by himself.
Nobody to talk to.
kyle kingsbury
I think that might be a draw for people, especially if there is some merging of consciousness and integration with technology down the road.
Like that kind of, fuck this, I'm going off the beaten path.
And you already see that.
People want to be off the grid.
But to truly be like balls deep in nature, where you have to deal with wolves and bears and all the shit that's going on like that.
That might be a bigger draw down the road.
Right now, I'm not interested in that shit.
joe rogan
Well, I'm not interested in that shit either, but I'm interested in him being interested in it.
Because I think that what you were just saying about technology, what I thought you were going to say is about nature.
I think there's a deeper connection to nature if you're just living in it all the time.
kyle kingsbury
Oh, no doubt.
joe rogan
No doubt.
I bet you get weird senses of where things are, how the wind feels when it's coming at you.
Oh, it's definitely coming this way.
You know where to stand.
You get a sense of the whole thing, and you're a part of it.
You're not talking to anybody.
So the only dialogue you have is internal.
kyle kingsbury
It's like your buddy who fasts when he hunts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
You get that extra sensory coming in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, Remy Warren always talked about that, that you should hunt hungry.
That's primal shit, dude.
kyle kingsbury
That makes sense, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, totally makes sense.
Totally makes sense.
kyle kingsbury
I've found out, I mean, doing the fasting, I've done two five-day fasts now.
The brain, it doesn't, it's not like, I mean, I have extra energy.
Sleep kind of goes to shit, you know, and Michael Walker talked a bit about that, but...
I can't sit and read.
Like, I can't just focus in like, alright, my brain's turned on.
Let me just bang out emails or fucking read a book.
It doesn't work that way.
But I do start to problem solve in a way that's not possible and not common when I'm eating food all the time.
It just works differently.
Like, all this other shit turns on.
joe rogan
Wow.
Now, when you were talking earlier about this Kratom experience, how many times have you done Kratom?
kyle kingsbury
Well, I have a boatload of it.
I mean, I don't know.
I've lost track of how many times I've done it, but usually when I do it, it is at that one to two pill dose.
I don't exceed that often.
joe rogan
You're a guy who The reason why I ask is you're a guy who is always on top of all the latest and greatest in terms of supplementation, the benefits of certain things.
How do you know when to stick them in and when to lay off other stuff?
Because you're not necessarily getting your blood tested all the time after you do some of these things, right?
kyle kingsbury
No, I do blood work fairly often, but...
That's just more for general health and wellness.
It's not to see how things are impacting me.
joe rogan
Do you have a detailed analysis of what you're taking in the days before blood work and compare it to times when you're not taking those things?
kyle kingsbury
The thing that has the biggest impact on my blood work is if I'm in ketosis or not.
There's no fucking doubt.
And that's also genetic.
It's not the fucking right diet for everyone.
joe rogan
That's a pain the ass to hear.
Like, well, what the fuck's the right one for me, man?
kyle kingsbury
Come on, Kyle.
That's like Rob Wolf.
You've got to figure that out.
Wired to Eat's a game changer.
It really is.
joe rogan
It's a very good book.
kyle kingsbury
But you've got to do your fucking homework.
joe rogan
Have you seen Rob actually puts it into action on his Instagram page?
Rob Wolf and his wife will eat the exact same thing, and then he tests ketone levels and blood sugar levels at the same time stamp.
And his and hers are radically different.
Like she's just better at absorbing stuff.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, exactly.
And so I'm similar to him genetically in that I don't do well with a lot of carbohydrates and like a wide variety.
I can eat a plate of yams and my blood sugar looks fine.
But if I have a little bit of white rice, I'm fucking through the roof, like pre-diabetic.
joe rogan
Did you listen to the podcast that I did with Zach Bitter?
kyle kingsbury
No.
joe rogan
He's the guy that holds the world record for running 100 miles in America.
He ran 100 miles, like, literally ran a 7-minute pace for 11 hours.
kyle kingsbury
Damn.
joe rogan
Damn.
Yeah, that's just the only thing you could say.
11 hours and 40 minutes, I think, was the total.
That is so fucking crazy.
You can run seven-minute miles for 11 hours and 40 minutes.
Just keep going.
kyle kingsbury
Was he in ketosis?
joe rogan
Most of the time he's in ketosis.
He eats a very meat-rich diet and he is a fat burner.
He's in ketosis all the time.
He takes all kinds of crazy...
Well, he was talking about his diet, like one of the things that he eats more than anything was steak, right?
That was like his big thing, like fatty piece of meat.
And when he runs, though, when he's involved in a race or anything where there's extremely high requirements on his body, then he goes way above ketosis levels of carbohydrates.
Yeah.
Hundreds and hundreds of grams.
kyle kingsbury
During the race, that's totally what you should do.
I ran that 50k after I was on your show last couple years ago.
joe rogan
He says, what's even more surprising though is Bitter trains and competes on almost no carbs.
At times carbs account for as little as 5% of his diet.
And Bitter insists that even we non-endurance record holders can do the same.
Yeah, but remember he was talking about when he...
Did the races.
He takes some glucose supplements, right?
jamie vernon
There's an article about his whole diet.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think he means most of the time.
Most of the time when he's eating and training and exercising, he's burning almost no carbs.
kyle kingsbury
Well, that's the goal, though.
That's metabolic flexibility.
The goal is, if we're from out the gate, we eat carbohydrates every fucking meal until we're 40, We're not making ketones.
Our body doesn't know how to use fat for fuel.
If we at least spend a period of time, and that's what I do now, I'll spend about six months a year in ketosis with maybe a couple carb days in a whole six-month span.
And then after that, I'll practice some carb backloading, or maybe I'll have higher carbohydrate days, but I'm still eating higher fat, higher protein throughout that, or moderate protein throughout that.
That creates flexibility.
That's what we're designed to do.
You can argue all you want about what fucking paleo man ate and all that shit, but the truth is Before refrigeration and before shipping, we did not have access to carbohydrates.
Most of the people on this planet didn't have access for at least three months out of the year, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
So, I mean, there's at least a period of time where we should take off and allow our body to reset and start to burn fat for fuel.
And then when we go back to eating carbohydrates, we utilize it a little bit better.
joe rogan
Well, there's also people like the Inuit who didn't eat any vegetables at all.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, but I think even with them, two months out of the year, when they grow seasonally, they'd eat a little bit more carbohydrates and probably not be fully keto for two months out of the year.
joe rogan
What do you think they would eat?
kyle kingsbury
Whatever the fuck grows.
joe rogan
What could they grow?
kyle kingsbury
I'm sure two months out of the year they can grow some shit.
joe rogan
Man, I don't even know.
Aren't there spots where they can never grow anything all year round?
kyle kingsbury
Possibly.
Yeah.
It's like the same dumbass argument.
You should only eat plants the rest of your life.
Yeah.
Like to be key to the rest of your life.
I think you're missing the point.
The point is to have your body finely tuned and adaptable and able to eat all things.
joe rogan
Intermittent fasting is a good way to go about that.
And when I do that regularly, when I get like three or four days in a row, there's a noticeable difference in like the need to eat.
Like that feeling that...
kyle kingsbury
Inflammation goes down, cognitive function goes up, sleep's improved.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of benefits to it for sure.
Some people are going crazy with it and doing 20 and 4. I'm like, wow.
But not a terrible idea.
Not a terrible idea.
kyle kingsbury
I interviewed this guy, Todd White, who's the CEO of Dry Farm Wines.
He does that every fucking day.
Fast for 20 hours.
He'll have a bottle or two of the Dry Farm with his dinner.
And that's it.
That's his fucking deal.
And he's shredded.
I met him at Paleo FX this year.
And it was curious to me because everybody that's a part of that is, you know, they're health oriented.
They're kind of dialed in.
At least they're on track.
They work out.
joe rogan
You can't be a fat guy at a paleo festival.
kyle kingsbury
They pay attention to what they're putting in their body and how they move, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
But at every kiosk or every little booth...
Not everyone looks the part.
At this guy's booth, everyone's fucking shredded.
Everyone's got a giant smile on their face.
I was like, what's the fucking deal?
And he's like, well, 18 out of 20 of us are keto.
Almost all of us do intermittent fasting.
They have group meditation.
Not that that would help with fat loss, but I mean, just to say that they're dialed in.
Group meditation every fucking day at 9 a.m.
Their entire company.
unidentified
Wow.
kyle kingsbury
Like, he's a fucking legit guy.
joe rogan
Damn.
Group meditation with the whole company.
kyle kingsbury
With the entire company.
joe rogan
How many dudes are just thinking about dicks?
unidentified
Angry.
joe rogan
Angry that they have to do group meditation.
kyle kingsbury
They fucking visualize those guys doing the dick exercises nonstop with the weights.
joe rogan
They'd be like, well, my dick looker wasn't circumcised.
What would it look like?
I'm trying to picture it.
kyle kingsbury
It probably added half an inch.
Or you could just shoot stem cells into it like Greenfield would get the half inch.
joe rogan
Those guys who are doing those, like is that a mandatory thing?
Do you have to do it to work at the company?
Do the group meditation?
unidentified
I think it's a requirement, yeah.
joe rogan
That'd be annoying for you.
kyle kingsbury
I think it'd be good once you fucking got into it, though.
unidentified
Maybe.
kyle kingsbury
Even if you didn't learn.
joe rogan
Yeah, but maybe.
kyle kingsbury
I like fucking meditation.
If somebody carved out...
Like, working it on, it's fucking amazing.
Because we're not only allowed to work out on the clock, but we're encouraged to.
That's awesome.
We're encouraged to use a sauna.
There's a fucking meditation room that I'll go hit and meditate for 30 minutes.
I'm outside with my shirt off, barefoot, doing Tai Chi and weird shit all the time.
And that's okay, right?
So that culture that's created there is awesome.
There's nap pods at Google for a fucking reason, right?
So if you had that scheduled in to where you were going to meditate every fucking day on the clock and you knew this is my time to rest...
And just get silent.
I think over time, you'd buy into that.
Over time, you'd learn how.
joe rogan
Or you would say, I'm a fucking accountant and I came to this building to work, not to have some fucking cult member, asshole, guru, who's probably just trying to fuck everybody.
kyle kingsbury
Bhagwan Tree Rajnees.
joe rogan
That guy tell everybody when I can meditate.
I'll meditate on my own time, motherfucker.
I'm here to work.
I don't need that extra 10 minutes.
kyle kingsbury
He told me most of the people in his company still have a meditation practice outside, off the clock.
joe rogan
I would tell him that, too, if I wanted a raise.
kyle kingsbury
You know, I meditate for four hours when I'm out of here.
joe rogan
Bro, I meditate about you and how amazing and amazing leader you are.
Just, uh, I'll be at my desk.
Yeah, man, I think it's a great idea.
I just think there'd be some people that would, well, I guess if you let them know before they took the job, hey, man, the only thing we require is 10 minutes of meditation every day.
Are you cool with that?
Yeah, I'll take it.
kyle kingsbury
But what if you, you know, like, I think people gravitate towards that.
There's like-minded individuals at every fucking company unless they're just, I need money, and usually those people get weeded out of the equation, right?
joe rogan
Well, Ana's a great example of that.
When you go there, everybody's super positive, fit, very friendly environment.
There's no dicky.
kyle kingsbury
They all fucking enjoy what they're doing, too.
And if they don't, they see themselves out.
There's no company you're ever going to work at where 100% of the people are fucking dialed in and they're all on the same page and we're going to change the world.
It doesn't work that way.
But if you have a high percentage that are doing that, that's how you see big changes happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, when you get a hundred employees, I mean, you're gonna have a little chaos.
kyle kingsbury
A little bit.
joe rogan
You know, you're gonna have that.
You're gonna have, did you hear what Jen said to Mike in front of everybody?
You're going to have that.
You're going to have craziness.
You're going to have people that don't work together well, don't like each other because of pre-existing biases, because of who knows, whatever the fuck it is.
They remind them of an ex.
People are weird.
Getting men and women to work together just to pull that off alone.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, we got HR now on it.
That's interesting.
joe rogan
What's that like?
kyle kingsbury
I don't know.
I don't have a comparison because it's my first real job where I get to play an adult.
joe rogan
So you have a person who's hired to make sure that no shenanigans take place?
kyle kingsbury
Well, just to create a pipeline for people to talk to one another or a pipeline where you can handle things in an appropriate manner.
So if someone takes offense to something and we all had to go through this...
Fucking ridiculous and hilarious, like, 1990 video on, you know, harassment in the workforce, shit like that.
joe rogan
I had to watch those for a couple different TV shows.
When they start a TV show off, it's one of the things they do in the beginning.
Everybody has to go there.
We all sat in the bleachers like we were there for a show taping.
And they pull the screen down, and they played us this...
Video on harassment.
kyle kingsbury
Weinstein didn't watch it.
joe rogan
I guess he didn't.
There's no Weinstein character in that video, shockingly.
kyle kingsbury
There it is.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you...
I mean...
I don't know if that works.
I guess maybe it works in that people know they can't get away with stuff.
kyle kingsbury
Well, no, it's just a safe place for people to come talk, and it doesn't mean like...
joe rogan
No, that's not what I mean.
I mean those videos.
kyle kingsbury
Oh, the videos don't do shit.
joe rogan
How could they work?
kyle kingsbury
They're comical.
joe rogan
Who's gonna say, man, I was about to sexually harass this chick, but that fucking video's got me thinking.
Nobody would say that.
kyle kingsbury
I think people might bite their lip a little bit, though, if they know there can be repercussions.
Like, you know what?
I don't want to fucking lose my job.
You know what I'm saying?
I definitely don't want to lose my...
I wouldn't want to lose my job if it wasn't on it because I have a family.
But I definitely don't want to lose this job because it's fucking amazing.
You know?
It's an amazing thing to be a part of.
joe rogan
I don't think that it's...
I mean, hmm.
What am I trying to say here?
There's no room for fun with people anymore, though.
kyle kingsbury
That's the fucking issue.
joe rogan
The problem is, if you want to cut all sexual harassment, which we all do, you don't want to cut fun.
But how do you, you know, especially like a guy who's saying something that he thinks is funny to a girl, and it just really hurts her feelings, and he was just trying to be funny.
Like, that's, in her eyes, sexual harassment.
In his eyes, it's a joke.
kyle kingsbury
Well, it's even weird.
joe rogan
Everybody's eyes is a disaster.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, and it goes into all things.
I fuck with Aubrey's assistant a lot, Ian.
He's a good buddy of mine.
And I treat him like my little brother sometimes.
joe rogan
But it's a joke.
kyle kingsbury
It is always a joke.
And so we had this team meeting on the jiu-jitsu mats.
And he was sitting next to me.
And the second we broke after the meeting, I just fucking got on a leg and started cranking.
I'm like, we're on the fucking mats, bitch.
You're mine.
And I'm digging my knee into his shin, doing some dirty jiu-jitsu.
And I forgot the leg I was on.
He had just fucked up in soccer.
So, I mean, dude's like, he's on fucking crutches for a minute, you know?
And I would clown him a little bit about being on crutches and here comes the gimp and he's my boy.
And then I realized after watching this video, I'm like, oh, that's just as illegal as sexual harassment.
And so, you know, I'd make a joke about that too.
Like, you know, Ian...
Nobody's allowed to make fun of you for being disabled.
That's against the law, and you can go to HR for that.
So if anybody does that, you know, you can go say something.
It's okay.
And that was kind of our, you know, I mean, he's my fucking boy, so I can do that.
But that's still illegal.
I don't know that I should be saying that right now.
joe rogan
Well, see, the thing is, if you have good friends, like it's what we were talking about earlier with, like, comedians.
Good friends say fucked up shit to each other for fun, and it's fun for both of them because...
If you have a real friend, you love each other so much, you know that he doesn't really think terrible things about you, but he could say funny, ridiculous shit like that because it'll make both of you laugh because you know it's not the case.
But if you thought in any way it was the case, that you really were like mocking him in any way, then it would never be funny.
But because you're never capable of that, it's very funny.
kyle kingsbury
And I think the real issue comes down to people who are looking to be offended.
joe rogan
There's that, but there's also people that are terrible at telling jokes.
There's people that are terrible at joking around with people and they make people uncomfortable.
kyle kingsbury
But there's some people in the room that won't laugh at anything.
You know, they're just fucking looking for shit.
joe rogan
Right, and there's the question, right, if you have a company, like, how the fuck do you decide who to hire and not to hire?
Because you don't know these people in the beginning.
Like, sometimes people are one thing, and then they get a little power, and then they become something different.
They just become a different thing.
And then they get ambitious, or who knows, their life changes in some way, and then they get aggressive.
And then they're a different person.
Like, hey, who are you that we hired five years ago?
Now we have to figure out a fucking exit strategy to get you out of the company.
Fuck!
You know, I've seen many friends go sideways on situations like that where they start doing business together and then the business takes off or doesn't take off or whatever.
They're stuck together and then they're not the same person who they were ten years ago when they started this fucking thing.
So there's all this weirdness and resentment and you know...
kyle kingsbury
Well, hopefully no one's the same person they were ten years ago.
unidentified
Right.
kyle kingsbury
Hopefully you fucking grow and it's a positive thing.
joe rogan
Or...
kyle kingsbury
That's not always the case.
joe rogan
Could be you growing and them not or them and you not.
I mean...
It's not uniform either.
That's the other thing.
It's like if you find like-minded people, the great thing about it is everyone's trying their best to be a good person, to take care of their body.
They're trying their best.
There's gonna be some hills and valleys and ups and downs, but for the most part, the thought process is about trying to be your best.
Always, right?
If you're around those people, everybody's gonna be okay.
But if you're around the people that are fucking super negative about stuff, and always sabotaging their life, and always fucking up things for friends around them, and always ruining this, and fucking up that...
That can be exhausting.
That can steal your DNA. That steals your fucking...
Whatever it is that makes you a person.
The feeling that you get when you're around someone is just fucking up all the time where you're like, oh, it's exhausting.
kyle kingsbury
That's kind of the deal, too, where you just, you know, if it is family or somebody you care about, just love them at a distance.
You know, you've got to remove yourself from that.
joe rogan
You can't get wrapped up.
There's certain family members that they go crazy and you can't get wrapped up.
They'll take you down.
They'll take you down with them.
You can't live two lives simultaneously.
You do your best if people want to go crazy.
And that's always been my real fear and concern when someone that I know well does the drug thing, goes down the drug hole.
What are you doing, man?
Are you doing something?
No.
No, I'm not doing nothing.
And you're like, oh, no.
We got a tweaker over here.
We lost a homeboy.
He's tweaking.
He's not even himself anymore.
Now he's going to lie to us about whether or not he's taking meth.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, I've seen shit like that in college.
Lost a friend of heroin.
Well, lost two friends of heroin.
Gained one back, and he got fucking clean.
It's not fun.
That's the rough one, huh?
Not fun to witness.
joe rogan
The people that are willing to stick a needle in their arm right into the vein.
unidentified
Pshh!
joe rogan
There's the romantic thing about it to some people that this is the ultimate fuck you to safety.
You know, the fuck you to the standard norms the society has put on you and you stick that needle in you and just untie the strap.
Fucking crazy.
What a crazy thing to do.
kyle kingsbury
Ari Shafir had a good point on that though.
He was looking at, I forget when he was talking about it, but he said he saw a homeless man and he realized the guy was on some fucked up drugs and he was like, oh...
I get it.
You were just introduced to the wrong drugs.
Because Ari does a lot of drugs, but he has drugs that help elevate him and lift him to a new spot and give him new perspective and hope and joy.
And this other guy just got fucking sucked deep down the rabbit hole in the wrong direction.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah.
I think in some ways that's true, but in some ways they like the heroin better.
Who was it that had that statement about heroin?
I'm not going to remember it.
But there was a fascinating statement about heroin killing you.
That when it was killing you...
I think it was Lenny Bruce talking about it.
But that it was such a sweet death.
I really forget the quote because I'm...
Heroin is something I it freaks me out so much.
I don't even like reading too much about it I like read a few Things here there about people that are hooked on it.
It just it creeps me out so much It's almost like I'm reading about demonic possession and in a way I think it is the way I think when people lose their entire life to some pills They can't stop they lose their family lose their job and they just can't stop to keep taking it How is that really any different in terms of the overall results?
And the effect it has on your loved ones and your friends and your family and yourself How is it any different than just a really evil demon that talks you into staying home all day and makes you throw up and Is just fucking with you all day and making you tired just dragging you to the ground making you fall asleep right in front of the sink How is that if there was a demon doing that you're like, oh my god, look at him.
He's possessed by a demon It'd be horrible if we just saw some kid who's just his body's all fucked up because there's a demon inside of him controlling it.
But instead, we're like, oh no, he's all fucked up because he shot up.
He shot up.
It's the same thing.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, it grabs people.
That's the fucking problem, though, is that you look at that...
joe rogan
That's it.
I'll die young, but it's like kissing God.
That was his expression of it.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Who died of a morphine overdose on August 3rd, 1966.
Man.
He's, in my line of work, that's the Lucy...
You know, that primordial or whatever, how would you call it, prehistoric human, human-owned, hominoid?
What was Lucy?
That was the Australia Pythicus or something like that?
Yeah, that's what Lenny Bruce is in a lot of ways.
kyle kingsbury
Second you said Lucy, I was thinking of LSD, but I know you're talking about LSD. Lucy was on the cover of Nat Geo, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was like one of the first early human skeletons they had.
I think there's some controversy attached to that thing, too.
Which there always is to those ancient humans that they find.
You know, you find a fucking human from...
How long ago was Lucy?
How many?
2 million?
jamie vernon
2.9.
joe rogan
2.9 million.
Let me see a picture.
That was us, just 2.9 million years ago.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
kyle kingsbury
Would you fuck Lucy?
joe rogan
If I had to.
For the good of the human race.
If we need to make people.
kyle kingsbury
Who was asking if they would fuck a Neanderthal?
joe rogan
Who wasn't?
unidentified
Did you?
kyle kingsbury
The answer is yes.
The answer is fucking yes.
It happened.
Humans fucked Neanderthals.
joe rogan
What I mean by Lenny Bruce is this is like he's the first.
He's not like primitive.
I mean, he was like super advanced, but he was the very first version of that.
The very first version of a real stand-up comedian.
Like that everybody, all lines come from Lenny Bruce.
I mean, there's a bunch of his contemporaries that were really good, too.
And there's a bunch of people from that era that were just all innovative and interesting thinkers.
They all, I'm sure, fed off of each other.
But Lenny Bruce is almost like Lucy.
He's almost like the first real stand-up comic.
You know, like we say, like, okay, I get Mark Twain was doing it.
I understand that all these different people had like a kind of...
You know comical way of talking in front of people But there was something about the way he was analyzing and breaking down society on stage that was this was the first of those So you watch that and you go, wow, that's almost like a scientific discovery.
It's like, well, now this is going to shift the culture this way because now people are going to be mocking things for entertainment.
So the other side is going to get way more mocking.
So you're going to have your serious side, but there's going to be a business in making fun of it now.
There's a new thing now.
There's a new thing.
And that's what that guy was.
It's kind of a trip, and you really stop and think about how influential one person can be, you know?
That one person with some crazy amount of talent, some weird way of looking at things, can shift.
kyle kingsbury
I'm sitting across from one right now.
joe rogan
That's horseshit.
This guy right here, man.
He was doing things.
Play some of this, man.
unidentified
You better off alone, man.
I got it.
That's it.
I'm going to get a whole bunch of new suits.
You know, I've had the same dumb suit for ten years.
You walk in her closet, you can't even breathe.
That's it.
I'll get a whole bunch of suits.
I'll get a chick that likes to hang out, man.
I'll get a...
I'll have no vodka parties.
That's modern.
Vodka parties.
Swing it up, ball it up.
kyle kingsbury
I'll get a chick...
unidentified
I got a chick who likes to drink.
lenny bruce
Boy, my wife sure used to look good standing up against the sink.
joe rogan
She's the lowest, though.
unidentified
I really put her down.
No...
No, I really miss her.
I don't want some sharp chick that can coat Kerouac and walk with poise.
I just want to hear my old lady say, get up and fix the sink.
It's still making noise.
All alone.
All alone.
Like a near-sighted dog wears the bone.
Ah, but it's better.
To be all alone.
No more taking out the garbage.
joe rogan
Hear her yakking on the phone.
unidentified
I gave her everything.
Even my mother's ring.
But to me she was so petty.
Sometimes I wish that she were dead.
But it'd probably take her two hours to get ready.
What the fuck?
joe rogan
This is probably like...
I would have to guess like 1960?
What year was that?
Does it say?
Hmm wonder when that was it's got to be somewhere in that neighborhood, but that guy and Big heroin problem man big big big heroin problem and he was also fighting against censorship He was like one of the first people that was a public speaker that was challenging the ideas of censorship in court He was getting arrested for doing his nightclub performances and saying certain words and You know,
and he was talking about how ridiculous it is to put all the power into these words, including racist words.
Nobody was doing anything like this back then.
It was crazy shit.
And a lot of what he was doing...
Dominion of sanity.
Yeah, a lot of what he was doing was...
You know, he was a big believer in expanding his consciousness.
He was getting fucked up a lot.
He was, you know...
He's obviously doing heroin because he died of it.
He talked about it pretty openly.
But who knows what else he was doing, too.
I think marijuana was involved in there, too.
He's expanding his mind at a strange time.
I think it's impossible for us to really put ourselves in the mindset of people who lived in the 1950s and early 1960s.
I don't even think we're capable of doing it.
kyle kingsbury
No, we have like a VH1 depiction of that.
Did you ever see the decades?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Where they went through the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s?
That was pretty fucking rad, but that's still a Hollywood version of it.
joe rogan
A hundred percent.
kyle kingsbury
You know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Even when they get to the eighties, you know, like cocaine's resurgence and it's all fucking Madonna and Prince.
joe rogan
It's so silly.
kyle kingsbury
Back to the future and shit like that.
joe rogan
I don't think we can imagine what it would have been like growing up then, you know, living in his era.
Like people were so buttoned down to have some guy come along and go, why, why are we doing it like this?
You know, he was, um, That's a crazy thing.
The stand-up comedy started in America.
It really did.
I mean, there was definitely jesters and, you know, King Arthur's days and all that bullshit.
And from the beginning of time, people have had court jesters.
And there's always been funny people in the village that everybody gathered around, like a Joey Diaz-type character that lives somewhere.
But the art of stand-up comedy, like, that was the first, I think.
I mean, maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe it's Mark Twain, but if it's not...
I saw Mark Twain and Tim, you know?
That was the first one where people started wanting to be that.
And then there was a lot of that coming off of that.
You know, like these little branches get taken off the main river and culture occasionally.
And I think a lot of that was what I was reading in the Malcolm Gladwell book that I was talking about earlier.
kyle kingsbury
What's the name of it again?
Tipping Point.
joe rogan
It's all about different trends.
Real specific stuff like what caused this uptick in syphilis in one part of the country?
What are all these factors that fall in place that all work synergistically and push something over the top?
How did Hush Puppies go from a business that was almost bankrupt To being something that, like, everywhere.
And in two years they had stores open in every mall.
And they were closed, I mean, they were open for decades without this kind of success.
And something happened and they became this hip thing to have hush puppies on.
And then, boom, the business just explodes out of nowhere.
And then these weird moments like that.
Sometimes, like, an Elon Musk-type character comes along and just, oh, I want to fucking put people on Mars.
I want to make an electric car.
I want to shoot tunnels under the ground.
Like, one of these characters comes along, and then through them, there's, like, this new river, and all this new crazy shit happens.
That guy was probably the number one for stand-up comedy for that.
kyle kingsbury
Fucking massive.
joe rogan
Yeah, pretty crazy shit, dude.
kyle kingsbury
You ever see, uh, what was the name of it?
Is it the Turing?
The Turing test?
joe rogan
The Turing test is whether or not you can tell if artificial intelligence is human.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, it's not the Turing test.
It's the movie about the guy who invented the computer, Turing.
unidentified
Oh.
kyle kingsbury
With, um, the British dude.
joe rogan
Um...
jamie vernon
Are you talking about Ex Machina or like the one about the imitation game or something like that?
kyle kingsbury
The imitation game, yeah.
It's fucking nuts to think, like if you watch that movie and obviously, have you seen it?
joe rogan
No.
The imitation game.
kyle kingsbury
It's awesome.
That guy's a great fucking actor too.
joe rogan
I'm writing this shit down right now.
kyle kingsbury
It's Doctor Strange.
jamie vernon
Yeah, Benedict Cumberbatch.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, he's a savage.
But they go through that, in that time period, he fucking invents the fucking computer, you know?
And then they go through the time period and he's gay.
In Britain and they put him on medication that lowers his testosterone so he won't be gay.
So he won't have sex with men.
It's fucking insane.
joe rogan
That's a hilarious technique.
kyle kingsbury
But if you think about like people who move the fucking needle, right?
Like people that change, shift, like...
If that's where it comes from, computers, and then we get to fucking hyper-intelligent, super-intelligent AI, it all started there.
joe rogan
That is crazy.
Well, there was a bunch of different factions, right?
A bunch of different people that were working on computers, because a woman created the very first computer code.
I forget what her name was.
Well, there's two pivotal inventions by women in computer design, and then ultimately in In the actual execution of it.
Here it is.
Ada Lovelace.
It's been called the world's first computer programmer.
What she did was write the world's first machine algorithm for an early computing machine that existed only on paper.
Of course, someone had to be the first, but Lovelace was a woman, and this was in the 1840s!
Suck it!
Suck it, stupid people.
Suck it.
Ada.
Ada was rocking shit in the 1800s.
She was figuring it out.
Imagine you'd be like, look, one day they're going to be able to do this, but right now they don't know how to do it.
But if one day, if they just figure out how to do this, this is this, and we're going to have computers, and the computers will operate on this algorithm, and people are looking at you like, bitch, what the fuck are you talking about?
Computers, like, imagine what a hell it would be.
To be a super, super genius living amongst the cave people.
You're like, you fucks, we could be flying around if you assholes knew how to melt aluminum.
Can you guys get me some glass?
You don't know glass?
kyle kingsbury
Shit!
joe rogan
Do you have any wires?
You have no wire.
Okay.
Where do you get your metal?
You don't have metal?
WHAT?! SHIT! Can you imagine if you were looking at metal in the ground like, why don't they just pull the metal out and make things out of that?
And they're all like...
And you're like, what's the point?
What's the point in making a house?
What's the point?
What's the point in having glass windows that look out at these cave people fucking each other and stabbing mastodons in the dick with flint-tipped tools?
Fuck!
Imagine what the hell that would be.
That would be like the worst thing you could do to somebody.
Like imagine if one day they come up with a time machine and one of the punishments for people that were real pieces of shit is you would throw them in front of Genghis Khan's horde in like 1200 AD. You would just like take your underwear, you're in your underwear, everybody knows it's gonna happen, you have a chance to live if you just might get lucky, might teleport into the right spot and Not get slaughtered and eaten by the Mongols as they come over the top of the hill.
But we're going to put you right in front of them.
And, you know, good luck, you piece of shit.
Fucking transported with a time machine.
I mean, if they do come up with the ability to do that to people one day.
Like an actual time machine.
That would be the biggest hell ever.
Take a person from 2018 who's used to driving around in his Tesla and checking his text every five minutes and...
No, we're gonna let you live.
We're gonna let you live.
But you're gonna live in 1200 AD. No doctors.
There's no doctors.
What the fuck is a doctor?
What are you talking about, man?
You gotta run.
You gotta run.
They're coming over the hill.
Don't you smell that?
Yeah, that's people burning.
You smell people burning.
They're like candles.
Run!
Just fucking run!
But you're alive.
That was the punishment.
Yeah, that'd be fucked up.
You know?
That would be crazy.
Imagine if somebody raped you and you get to decide what year they come back.
kyle kingsbury
Where they have to go.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just send this motherfucker back to the dinosaur era.
Good luck, you cunt.
And then they're gonna be by themselves 65 million years ago.
How many people would say yes to that?
Like, how many people said yes?
Well, we could do one thing.
Bernie Madoff.
We can either put you in jail for the rest of your life or you get freedom In prehistoric Central Asia.
kyle kingsbury
What would you do?
joe rogan
I'd take the death by prehistoric Central Asia all day.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, you gotta fucking live.
joe rogan
All day.
kyle kingsbury
You gotta live.
joe rogan
Throw me in Siberia.
If I die there, I die there.
But at least I'm not in a fucking cage until my heart stops beating.
kyle kingsbury
100%.
joe rogan
I'd take that all day.
kyle kingsbury
I'll roll the dice.
joe rogan
I'll roll the dice.
It'll suck.
I'll die for sure.
But I'll die running.
Or trying to get away.
Yeah, you die quickly.
I'll break a leg.
I'm not gonna die in that box.
That's the craziest thing about...
You just decide when someone has crossed some line that we're going to take you out of circulation.
We're just going to cool you in this little cage.
We're going to hope you get better when we let you out in 15 years.
What a stupid idea.
kyle kingsbury
It's not working.
That's how you know it's a stupid idea.
It's not working for anyone.
joe rogan
You want to protect people from violent offenders.
That's primary, right?
Violent Offenders, people who want to rob people or murder people or rape people or assault people.
That is like the number one thing is we want everybody to be safe.
I love Jamie.
I don't want Jamie to have to worry when he walks down the street that this guy they locked up ten times gonna jump out of the bushes and take his knees out with a baseball bat for no fucking reason other than he's crazy, right?
You don't want that.
Nobody wants that.
So We all agree.
You gotta lock up rapists and murderers and all that.
But after that, after you get past that, it's like, hmm, what good does it do to get that guy that cheated on his taxes?
Why do you put him in a cage for a year?
Why don't you let him work and pay you back?
Like, why is he in a cage for a year?
That seems like you're punishing him.
Like, you're just trying to torture him and steal a year of his life.
But he just owes you money.
He doesn't owe you a year of his life.
How much is a year of your life worth?
It's worth fucking billions of dollars.
A year of your life?
Fuck you, man.
You can't take a year of someone's life.
That's crazy.
But if you owe taxes, they go, I'd like a year of your life, sir.
kyle kingsbury
Or if you're fucking selling plants.
joe rogan
Selling plants.
Or worse, you're one of those people that didn't send the envelope and you're trying to bring someone that 4,000 pounds of cocaine over.
jamie vernon
What would be a good deterrent to stop someone?
joe rogan
I think education is the real deterrent.
You have to catch them and there has to be punishment.
If you owe people money, there should be reparations.
If you were involved in some sort of a banking scheme and you rip people off, you should have to pay those people back, period.
You should be responsible for that.
You're assuming that someone's capable of growing, and sometimes we don't like to do that.
It's very convenient to assume that someone is in a static state and they're never gonna grow.
Oh, this old banker asshole, he's just a rich old cunt and this is how he's gonna die.
Fuck him.
There's that thing, but he's a human being.
And even if he lived his life fucking people over on those weird mortgage situation loans that were going on, what were those things called?
Those adjustable arm?
Yeah, the adjustable mortgages that people got fucked on because they signed up for them and they were really low rate and then all of a sudden their rate jacked up through the roof and they were just inevitably gonna lose their house.
And this was like something that people knew about it before.
Even the people that organized that kind of shit, even knowing, they can grow.
It's a horrible thing they did.
But to say that they're done, fuck them, lock them up forever, my grandma lost her house.
It's terrible that your grandma lost her house, and whoever the fuck benefited from your grandma losing the house, they should all have to give that money back too.
They should figure out how the fuck they allow these banks to weasel people like that.
You're not looking out for anybody's best interest when you do something like that.
And obviously they didn't know they were going to The rates were going to get as high as they got where people were in terrible situations, but they should have known something was coming.
kyle kingsbury
You hit the point, though, that they should have fucking been paid back.
joe rogan
Yeah, they should have been paid back.
kyle kingsbury
None of those fucking people got paid back.
It doesn't matter how long you lock them up for.
Nobody fucking got their house back.
Everyone got fucked over.
joe rogan
And even people that were involved in the organizations that were probably responsible in part for the recession, which fucked everything up, those people all got bonuses when there was bailouts.
kyle kingsbury
The bailout should have been for fucking everybody who lost their home.
joe rogan
For sure.
For sure.
It shouldn't...
The bailout most certainly shouldn't have gone to...
I know that they have to pay these people these bonuses because these bonuses are in their contract.
But that's still crazy.
Still crazy.
Even if it's in the contract.
I mean, the government's got to bail you guys out.
You guys are a failed business.
Bank's a failed business and you're still going to try to claim that you guys did so well that you need a bonus?
Like, this is great.
And you're going to take that taxpayer money and apply it to your bonus?
So all those poor people out there working $50,000 a year, you're going to just take a giant...
What's a good one for one of those guys?
What's a good one?
What's a good bonus?
What do you think is the biggest bonus that one of those banker guys got during the bailout, if you had a guess?
kyle kingsbury
$300 million?
joe rogan
Is it that high?
I don't think it's that high.
kyle kingsbury
30 million at least.
jamie vernon
That's what the JP Morgan guy got last year.
kyle kingsbury
What did he get?
jamie vernon
Last year, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, but wait a minute.
No, we're not in a recession though.
Like they were getting it at the end of Bush's term, right?
So that was 2009, 2008?
jamie vernon
He got 16 million.
joe rogan
Someone got 16 million.
jamie vernon
Same guy.
benjamin jaffe
So he got 16 million during the bailouts.
jamie vernon
In his worst year, he got 20 million.
joe rogan
BALLER! What do you think his house looks like?
It's probably made out of cocaine.
It's probably like an igloo.
unidentified
It walks by and licks the walls.
joe rogan
Here's the real question.
You give the average person 25 million bucks, they don't have to work again ever.
You know, this guy's making 20 million bucks every year, or more, probably, with all these bonuses, right?
Like, when do you get out?
Like, how much do you have to have in the bank before you go, you know what?
I'm just gonna fucking live frugally and never work again.
kyle kingsbury
That guy does not need to live frugally.
joe rogan
He doesn't even.
kyle kingsbury
Any of that fucking money.
joe rogan
But I mean, for most folks, like, what's the number that you'd have to get to?
Where you're like, check please.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, I don't know.
Whatever that driving force is, though, to attain that, that doesn't just magically go away.
It's not like you get to that point and you're like, all right, now I can retire.
What do you fucking do in retirement?
Look at the people who continue to work.
You have a thousand things you love to do, right?
And you're good at them.
And you're obsessed with them.
Other people don't have that.
All they know is their job.
All they know is to work.
And they have a hard time integrating when they come out of that.
You have to have something that gives your life meaning and purpose.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's true.
It's hard for people to take up new hobbies, too.
But really fun.
That's the thing about learning stuff.
Getting good at stuff when you suck.
There's a little, you know, there's a period in the beginning where it's frustrating, but once you, if you do do, like anything, no matter what it is, especially physical stuff, something about getting good at things, it's very rewarding, you know?
Not enough people go through that.
Not enough people, I think, try new shit out.
And I think there's also new pathways that get opened in your brain the more you try something new that you suck at.
And when you start off from that beginner phase and try to, like, put it together.
And I think...
The little journey of the beginner phase.
I think we should try something new once a year.
I really do.
I mean, maybe more.
But for me, it can't be more than once a year because I get too crazy about stuff.
For me, once a year is like I might be able to squeeze something in once a year and try it out for a little while and not let it overcome all the things I'm already crazy about.
You know?
kyle kingsbury
How often do you go hunting?
joe rogan
Well, it's usually in the fall for elk, and then usually we do something in the early spring.
We go to lanai and we hunt for axis deer.
That gets you ready for bow hunting because they're really difficult to hunt.
They're really fast.
kyle kingsbury
I just found out that Axis is 24-7 in Texas.
joe rogan
24-7.
Yeah, you can hunt them all day long.
But they have a real problem in the fact that they...
Especially in Lanai, they have no predators.
There's nothing.
At least in Texas, they have mountain lions.
I mean, maybe coyotes are a situation for fawns.
I would imagine coyotes get some fawns, but they don't really have many bear to speak of.
Texas, although I think Texas is seeing a resurgence in black bear population.
They're starting to see sightings of black bear.
Check to see if that's true.
Um, that would, uh, that would kill off some, they kill off a shitload of deer, little, little bear, or, um, um, little calves and, um, uh, fawns, deer fawns and cow elk calves.
When a cow elk rather gives a calf, bears get those fuckers all the time.
They get like half of them.
Half of the fawn's born.
kyle kingsbury
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, they smell it a mile away.
They have, like, insane sense of smell.
They can tune in to, like, when people shoot guns and kill an animal, they think it's like a dinner bell.
Like, there's a real issue with that in, like, certain places where people hunt or there's bears.
Once you shoot something, they go, oh, I'm going that way.
I'm just going to take whatever the fuck they shot, and that'll be mine now.
And they can smell the guts as soon as you start cleaning a deer.
They smell it, like, way the fuck away from you.
kyle kingsbury
Might be going home with a bear and an axis deer.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know if they...
Here, black bear spotted in another Texoma town.
Yeah.
jamie vernon
There's a picture of it.
joe rogan
There it is.
That's a fucking black bear.
Imagine if you didn't know that bears existed there and you were out in the woods at night and you saw that thing.
You'd be like, it's a fucking werewolf!
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
You know?
They have video of it up there?
jamie vernon
I think it's just the picture on the trail camera river that is.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
Yeah, so now they know.
Yep, that's definitely a bear.
Yeah, they travel.
Fascinating animals, man.
I mean, if they weren't real, you know, what an interesting thing that would be in fiction, especially grizzlies.
Kodiak bears.
You know, I mean, if they didn't exist, what a crazy creation that would be in a movie.
And just seeing a bear, you're like, what in the fuck is that thing?
You know?
It's a Star Wars animal.
kyle kingsbury
Well, just being up close to one.
Totally different ballgame.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen one in the wild?
kyle kingsbury
No.
When we were...
I went to the Kenai River in Alaska for salmon fishing on a bachelor party.
And in one of the tiny airports there, before we got in, they had a full-size fucking hind legs.
And I was like, good fucking God!
I had no idea.
Like, no idea how big it was.
Same with moose, though.
Like, I had no idea...
joe rogan
What's the matter, Jamie?
jamie vernon
This happened here.
joe rogan
Woman says she stabbed bear during an attack in California Park.
Yeah, they have black bear in...
jamie vernon
Los Angeles.
joe rogan
Los Angeles?
jamie vernon
Pacific Coast Trail in Los Angeles.
joe rogan
What?
kyle kingsbury
Watch your shit, Joe Rogan.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
I freaked out.
Holy shit.
A popular park in California is back open Friday after a woman says she was attacked by a bear and had to stab it in order to escape.
Los Angeles County Sheriff's officials say the attack was reported at about noon Thursday on the Pacific Coast Trail in Los Angeles Area Vasquez Parks Rock Rocks Park.
Where's Vasquez Rocks?
Holy shit, dude.
Look at this.
She was hiking on the trail She turned around after seeing what appeared to be bear droppings a short times later.
She She heard something behind her head and turned to see a small black bear approaching her at a fast pace She pulled a knife from her backpack and stabbed the bear in the left shoulder Which made it stop and run away authorities say the hiker was scratched on her waist on her wrist But she refused medical treatment.
Holy shit.
This bitch is gangster She stabbed a bear, and she's the first in LA to stab a bear.
That girl's ready, though.
Respect.
Right?
I mean, she pulled that fucking knife out, stabbed that bear, and the bear scratched her, and she's like, I'm good.
I don't need to go to a fucking pussy-ass doctor.
I just stabbed a bear, motherfucker.
Where is it?
Is it off the 10?
What is that?
jamie vernon
Near Palmdale.
joe rogan
Oh, interesting.
That's not Los Angeles.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's like north of here.
joe rogan
Okay, near Palmdale.
Palmdale is way out there, man.
Where's Palmdale?
Okay, it's halfway between here and Palmdale.
Go back out again a little bit?
Where's some of the streets of the cities right?
jamie vernon
Angelus Forest.
It's right in between.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
So it's near where the 2 is, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, just north of Burbank.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Is that the 2?
jamie vernon
This is the 14. This is the 5, and then this is the...
joe rogan
Okay.
That Angelus Crest Highway is gorgeous up there.
That's where Jay Leno does all of his stuff when he takes cars up there and, like, does that Jay Leno's Garage shit and drives up there.
Fucking beautiful up there.
God, it's crazy.
So that's where the bear was.
That makes sense.
There's bears up there.
There's bears in Santa Barbara, believe it or not.
kyle kingsbury
I believe it.
It's mountainous, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, people find bears out there.
kyle kingsbury
You spent time in there.
joe rogan
Santa Barbara?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I love it out there.
It's gorgeous.
You know, it's real unfortunate what happened in this last mudslide.
Do you know about that?
A lot of people died in a mudslide.
I heard about that.
kyle kingsbury
My old man, I think it was...
Last year, he lives in the Santa Cruz Mountains, and he was fucking trapped, like, not in his home, but in his small town for two weeks.
joe rogan
Whoa.
kyle kingsbury
Because the road that leads to the 17, how you get from Santa Cruz to San Jose.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Completely shut down.
Tons of mudslides.
joe rogan
That's right.
And the PCH was shut down for a long stretch, right?
kyle kingsbury
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I think it still is.
I think it's still down.
I think the stretch of highway that'll take you from San Luis Obispo all the way up to San Francisco, that's the PCH, right?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
There's a spot, on the way to Big Sur, there's a spot where I don't think you can get through it anymore.
I think it's still fucked up.
See if that thing is still closed.
But it was a giant stretch that got wiped out.
Like, they had these photos of before and after.
It's like, imagine seeing that go down.
Imagine being in your little fucking MG convertible.
Zipping along.
Look at the ocean.
Boy, life is grand.
And you see this fucking mountain coming down.
Just, you know, this is it.
This is it.
This is how it's gonna go.
jamie vernon
It's back open now.
joe rogan
Oh, they opened.
Beautiful.
How long did it take to reopen it?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
It's been open for earlier this year.
joe rogan
Ah, nice.
That's good.
How did they ever...
Did they say how they figured it out?
Because there were some questions as to whether or not they were going to dig it out or whether they were going to put a new road over the top of the dirt that's there now.
kyle kingsbury
Road-tripping hipsters.
joe rogan
Is that what it says?
Where does it say that?
kyle kingsbury
Road-tripping hipsters, vacation families.
joe rogan
Oh, that's vacation families.
That's...
What a weird...
Thing to say.
Residents survived by creating hiking trails that enabled people to bypass the highway closures by foot.
And those courageous enough to drive could take on the Nascimento-Ferguson Road with its hairpin turns and steep drops.
Yikes.
It crosses the Santa Lucia range and connects the Big Sur coast with Route 101 further inland.
Given the challenges, several tourism businesses simply closed up shop for the summer.
Wow.
Imagine having a hike for food and shit and you realize like, oh my god, we live on Big Sur.
We're trapped.
What are we thinking?
What the fuck are we thinking?
The earth wasn't going to move?
kyle kingsbury
You wouldn't have a knife on you or...
joe rogan
What would you do?
kyle kingsbury
You wouldn't have shit.
joe rogan
You wouldn't have shit.
You'd be out there with your Birkenstocks on.
Talking about your next ayahuasca session.
Next thing you know, you see that mountain coming down on you.
unidentified
Yikes!
kyle kingsbury
Looking through your fanny pack, saying, like, where's all the functional shit in my utility belt right now?
joe rogan
I don't even have a key.
Like, at least you can have an old-school key.
You can kind of cut things a little bit with a key.
Most people don't even have a fucking key anymore.
kyle kingsbury
Keyless entry cars.
joe rogan
And you have fobs.
You have a key for your house, and you get a fob for everything else.
Fucking fobs.
How long before we wear those things?
I have one in my wallet.
I have a Lexus and it's a card.
My key is a card.
kyle kingsbury
Card entry.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
You just keep it in the wallet.
joe rogan
Keep it in the wallet.
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
I like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's great.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you always have your wallet.
You always have your card.
kyle kingsbury
That's better because even with all the keyless entry shit now, like it's still got a spot for it in my fanny pack.
It's still taking up way more space than it needs to.
Yeah, way more, right?
jamie vernon
Phone is close to being one.
You just didn't have to have that screen with you all the time.
joe rogan
Imagine if you could program your phone, though, to open up your car, and then someone steals your phone, and then they steal your car!
jamie vernon
I can.
I mean, you can use the BMW app.
joe rogan
Oh, you'd have to open...
You can unlock your car?
jamie vernon
I can unlock my car.
I can make a beep from here.
I can turn the air conditioning on and, like, ventilate it.
kyle kingsbury
That's savage.
joe rogan
Dude.
I didn't even know that was possible.
jamie vernon
It tells you where you parked.
joe rogan
Look at you.
Goddamn.
I didn't even know they could do that yet.
jamie vernon
Turn that shit on.
joe rogan
Kyle Kingsbury, we're living in the goddamn future.
kyle kingsbury
We are.
joe rogan
We are.
kyle kingsbury
There's no doubt.
You guys are setting up the fucking little AI machine out there right now.
joe rogan
Oh, that's not AI. That's virtual reality.
There's a big difference.
That's a vibe.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, but soon enough, you're going to interact with shit that's going to be...
It's gonna change the world.
joe rogan
I think someone needs to set up like a Muay Thai game on that Vive.
Like, they have a boxing game, someone needs to set something up with kicks, you know?
And have someone who kicks at you, you know?
You'd have to alter your technique a little bit.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, because your follow through on the kicks and all that shit, like, it teaches people to point spar.
joe rogan
It does, but it wouldn't be your, if it wasn't your only training.
If it was your only training.
You know like a lot of Thai guys go light anyway when they spar.
When they spar Thai style, they're playing with each other.
You can kind of do that with this and just do it fast.
And then as long as you did like pad work and real sparring on top of it, I bet it would add, I bet it would add something.
It just makes sense.
You would constantly be reacting, but there would be no consequences.
You would constantly be reacting to movement, and you would get it to react to you, but there would be no consequences.
So you could do it all the time and not worry about hurting yourself.
kyle kingsbury
You also wouldn't worry about like getting hit so you'd be a little freer with your motions I think if they that would have to be another human playing you though because if it's just fucking some computer I mean they got to write in an algorithm on how often the faint works how often it doesn't like If it didn't if it wasn't scared it wouldn't give a shit.
joe rogan
It would just block everything and destroy you Well, it knows where your body is Right.
kyle kingsbury
Perfect distance.
joe rogan
So it has to have some sort of...
Yeah, you would have a haptic fucking jumpsuit on.
You'd have a haptic, like, wetsuit.
Like, all the way to the top.
And so if you get hit with, like, an inside leg kick, you'd hear the slap.
You'd feel that slap on the inside of your thigh.
Like, whoo!
It's not perfect.
But I think there would be something real beneficial about that.
Just constantly moving and constantly reacting to this thing in front of you.
You would just put in a lot of reps that way.
kyle kingsbury
Gaging distance.
joe rogan
Yeah.
A lot of reps.
But it would be interesting to know, like, would it know when you really hit it with stuff?
Like, if you're not hitting anything.
What about, like, when are you getting jammed?
You know, when are you hitting it and when are you too close?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, like the power meter.
joe rogan
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, you landed the kick.
It's not all kicks are the same.
unidentified
Right.
kyle kingsbury
Does it count the same just because you make contact?
joe rogan
Yeah, if you go to throw a front kick and someone's here and you get your knee up high and then you push into it, that's a big difference between the guy being here.
And you're just kind of falling backwards.
Does it know?
kyle kingsbury
Pushes you back versus pushes him back.
joe rogan
That's huge with sparring.
Having a good sense of distance.
I wonder how it knows that.
Like, exactly where your foot lands.
kyle kingsbury
I think some of the coolest shit that I've seen with that is, like, the artwork you can do in those worlds.
jamie vernon
It's not exactly, this is crude of what you guys are talking about.
It's called Drunken Fist Fight.
joe rogan
The guy's gonna grab a pool stick and crack that guy?
Oh, whoa.
jamie vernon
So they're sort of reacting to them.
But right now, the VR thing's only tracking the sensors.
So you have to have a haptic suit that has sensors in it.
And I don't think they're quite that far yet.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
There'll be a lot of sensors.
And right now, that thing's only tracking the headset and the two things you put on your hands.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
And you can add more of those to maybe put it on your foot or something like that.
But it's like just tracking it in space.
So it's not tracking impact or speed or...
Maybe a little bit of speed, I suppose.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is super crude.
kyle kingsbury
Give it 10 years.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
But you need lots of sensors.
I don't even know what you would need to track an impact.
joe rogan
Oh, so you're in a bar and you're supposed to be fighting these guys in a bar.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
This is just super simple but like these are just programmed you know like AI bots that are just like watching a swipe of a hand near its face and they've just programmed a little like movement is all hmm so you get I don't know I would say the long time away but maybe not I think the real move one day is AI robots that know jujitsu and go at like 50 percent speed That would have to be the case.
kyle kingsbury
You've been watching Westworld?
joe rogan
No.
I watched the first episode of the new season, and I haven't.
I've been on a Kimmy Schmidt kick.
kyle kingsbury
What's that?
joe rogan
Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.
It's a hilarious show on Netflix about a chick who was stuck in a bomb shelter with a religious cult for 15 years.
She comes out, she does no shit about the world.
It's really funny, man.
Tina Fey's show.
kyle kingsbury
Oh, okay.
It's not fictional.
joe rogan
It's a Netflix show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a comedy.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
So I take little breaks.
I go Vikings, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.
kyle kingsbury
I never got into Vikings.
joe rogan
Damn, it's good, dude.
I heard it's good.
You give it a few episodes.
kyle kingsbury
I never got in.
joe rogan
That shit heats up around episode four.
It's a good goddamn show.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, season two of Westworld heats up around episode four.
joe rogan
Yeah, I watched the first episode and I've just been busy.
kyle kingsbury
It's damn good.
I like that.
Anything that gets me to think about consciousness, what that is, what it can be, and then where our future's at.
I wish you had seen it.
I wanted to fucking dive into that.
joe rogan
Who is the woman who plays the main character?
What is her name?
kyle kingsbury
I forget.
joe rogan
The actual actor.
Something Wood.
kyle kingsbury
Madeline.
joe rogan
She's a beast.
That girl, she's so good.
kyle kingsbury
She's a great actress.
joe rogan
She's so good.
kyle kingsbury
She was married to, what's his name, right?
The goth dude.
joe rogan
Marilyn Manson?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Rachel Wood?
Evan Rachel Wood.
She does an amazing job of getting you convinced that she's both a person and a robot.
It's really creepy.
She just nails it.
There's other people on the show that are great.
There's a lot of great people on the show, but for whatever reason, her combination and the lady with the British accent.
unidentified
Is that her name?
joe rogan
Maeve?
She's a beast.
Yeah, the her.
Phenomenal.
Same thing.
Like, there's a scene with her.
I don't want to...
Spoiler alert.
Her talking to another one of these robots about her daughter.
And you're like, Jesus Christ.
This is so fascinating because...
The writing is so goddamn good, and then the acting is so goddamn good that it has this weird effect where you know they're kind of fucked up for people, but they're not really people, but they seem very people-like.
There's just a perfect amount of off.
Just the perfect amount of like, what in the fuck are you?
kyle kingsbury
Well, you get to see them learn, too, and figure out what it means to be conscious.
joe rogan
Anything Anthony Hopkins is in, I'm down.
kyle kingsbury
I'm down too.
Have you finished Wild Wild Country?
joe rogan
No.
No, I went episode one and I was like, I don't even know if I could do this.
Oh, you have to!
unidentified
I'm going back.
joe rogan
I'm going back.
Fuck!
Don't worry, I'm going back.
I just need a little break.
kyle kingsbury
Oh, man.
joe rogan
I got real life shit to do, man.
I'll get back to it, I promise.
There's something about cults, and there's something about seeing people just hook, line, and sinker, roll out the red carpet, here he comes, here he comes, here he comes.
That stuff freaks me out.
That stuff freaks me out.
I think because I've seen it.
I've seen it with martial arts especially.
I've seen it with a lot of the old school martial arts schools.
We're very culty.
Very culty.
You know, I don't know if you follow McDojoLife on Instagram.
Oh, dude.
I'm just gonna give you a treat here mcdojo life is a awesome collection of the fakest martial arts you've ever seen in your life and Something about these videos is so goddamn compelling because these people who are the students They know the shit does not really work, but they pretend that it works Because they're just, they're in a cult, you know?
And this guy's like teaching people, like if someone comes to grab him, like to try to take him down like some wrestler.
Check it out.
He's gonna put his hand here.
Give me some volume on this, Jamie.
unidentified
Small intestine.
joe rogan
He's gonna get it right from the neck.
unidentified
And take the bladder point.
joe rogan
Bladder point.
Just making shit up.
Dude's just making shit up.
kyle kingsbury
Look at homeboy's mustache behind him.
joe rogan
He comes in, touches him, hits him here.
That's all you need to do, bro.
Cain Velasquez shoots that power double.
Just put that left hand...
Look at that.
He just KO'd him.
He KO'd him, bro.
Get him up.
This is important.
kyle kingsbury
He smacks the shit out of him.
joe rogan
And this guy really believes this.
That's an anti-Gracy move, he says.
Bitch, try that.
Try that on Henzo, you fucking dummy.
There's so many of these, but this guy has like an awesome collection of them.
Look at this.
The guy gets out and throws everybody to the ground.
unidentified
Hi-yah!
joe rogan
I'm a master.
kyle kingsbury
They're gone.
joe rogan
Just look at this, man.
They're all grabbing him, and he's like, but I have superpowers, and you don't.
They might as well be five.
They might as well be five-year-olds on a playground, and one of them pretends he's Doctor Strange.
unidentified
You grab me, I'm going to send you back to Mordor.
jamie vernon
What's the first guy just go straight for it and didn't even move for him?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so stupid.
It's so stupid, but this is what I'm saying.
These are cults.
There's something about this shit that freaks me the fuck out.
And my martial arts school that I started out in, Taekwondo School, was very strict.
There was a lot of discipline.
It wasn't really culty, but they're all a little culty.
They're all a little culty.
Well, there's master and mister and all that stuff.
There's always a little bit of that, but we would go to tournaments and then we would see it full-on Just full-on cults like one guy would be the kung-fu master and have all his students and I'll be at his command and he'd be telling them what to do They'd scream it out and shit just like karate kid.
There's a lot of a man There's hundreds of these weird little schools that were run by people that were running their own little cults But at least at least at the tournaments like you guys are getting actually fucking compete, right?
kyle kingsbury
So the kids, even though they're like dogs, they're well-trained, they always listen, yes sir, yes sir, they still get to get on the mat and they experience loss, they experience some form of fucking real-worldness.
It's not like the shit on McDojo.
joe rogan
What's stunning about McDojo life is how many of them there are.
And they're making videos.
This is the thing.
These people...
Just scroll and show how many videos this guy's got up.
I mean, I don't even know how many.
There's probably hundreds.
But the thing is, this is just what's on video, man.
kyle kingsbury
I don't understand how the people that come to these places, they don't ask...
For competition?
They don't ask to see somebody compete?
joe rogan
They don't know any better, man.
kyle kingsbury
But is it always like, oh, if I did this to a man, he'd die.
Is that what everyone believes?
joe rogan
Look at this one.
This guy, when a guy has a knife to his neck, he's going to smush the guy's hand with his chin.
Watch this.
He's going to make the guy tap.
Check this out.
The guy's got a knife right to his neck, and he's like, but what you need to do, try it on me.
As soon as he gets that knife near me, not the same spot, bitch.
That's not the same spot.
Right?
Watch this.
He's like, okay, I give up, but I will take my hand and then my chin will make your hand hurt like this.
Watch this guy.
This is dumb as shit.
Hurry up and get to it.
Here he goes.
Look.
He's making him tap.
He's grabbing his own hand.
See, he grabs his own head.
Oh.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Look at that armbar.
Ferocious.
Ferocious.
At no point in time would that guy have been able to stab the fuck out of him with that giant knife in his hand.
kyle kingsbury
That still looks a little bit more believable than the other ones.
joe rogan
Go to the one right next to it where the guy's on his knees.
There.
That one right there.
Watch this one.
This one's so fucking stupid.
I mean...
He can't.
unidentified
You can't.
Reach me with that hand.
You cannot.
kyle kingsbury
You cannot.
unidentified
You can't.
joe rogan
Reach me with that hand.
unidentified
Reach me with that hand.
You cannot.
kyle kingsbury
The fucking handlebar mustache is like straight Ben Stiller.
joe rogan
But this is why I think I get freaked out by cults, is that when I was a young teenager and I started doing martial arts, I saw certain elements of that.
I went to Catholic school for just one year when I was young, when I was seven, first grade, actually six, right?
It was fucking horrible.
I remember thinking that I can't believe all these people are just doing this.
All these people are following along.
It was so awful.
Okay, enough.
I don't want to see any more of these.
I can't.
They're so stupid.
They're all so stupid.
He's got hundreds of them, man.
But, um, I recognized that, like, when I was young, I was like, this is not, this doesn't make sense.
This is just, everybody's just going along with this.
This is normal, to leave your kids with this mean-ass nun, and all these fucking people are, everybody's like, stay in order!
Everyone's nasty to you, and the hidden kids are like, oof!
It was awful.
And I remember thinking, man, there's something that happens to people when they get big groups of them together and they agree on irrational shit.
There's some weird thing that happens to people where everybody...
This can't be right.
That lady is not acting in the name of God.
There's no fucking way.
She's a crazy, mean old lady, and I gotta listen to her because she works for God?
This is fucking nuts!
Can I talk to God?
Does he know how she acts?
kyle kingsbury
No, you gotta talk through me.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta talk through her.
She's a representative of God.
kyle kingsbury
I got the phone line.
joe rogan
Yeah, your fucking parents take you there and drop you off and leave you with these monsters all day.
You're like, what?
And some of them got fucked, right?
Some of them got molested.
Not just some of them, quite a few.
So, I think I had a healthy respect for that and fear of that when I was really young.
And then I saw some of the same elements when I started doing martial arts.
Particularly with some of the more ridiculous...
Like, really rigid, traditional-type styles.
A lot of kung fu.
There was a lot of, like, you know, for every hundred martial arts schools, you had three or four that were just flat-out cults.
I just made those numbers up out of thin air.
unidentified
Who was that?
kyle kingsbury
Like the 1%.
Who was the guy, I think it was in China, that fucked up one of these fake grandmasters, and then he had to go into hiding.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
Who was that guy?
joe rogan
There was two of them.
One of them happened recently.
That was the guy with yellow sneakers on, right?
He was an MMA guy.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he fucked this guy up.
kyle kingsbury
It took all of two strikes to fucking dismantle that old fart.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, it's not fair.
You're dealing with someone who's...
Delusional, but it is fair because we all need to see that because there's some people that really did believe that guy had magic powers because They run a cult like these people that are doing all this death touch that when they see the their students like oh They fall down they believe that they're getting jolted and some weird might maybe not a hundred percent But there's a small percentage of their bank brain that's willing to not just go along with it But to believe this guy something special That guy with the yellow sneakers didn't give a fuck about that.
He just beat the shit out of that dude.
And for everybody else but that dude, that's good.
You know, for that guy to find out that he's not really some possessor of magic powers.
I mean, if he really did believe it, here it is.
Oh, red sneakers.
jamie vernon
A different one, maybe.
joe rogan
No, this is it.
This is it.
He just beats the shit out of this dude.
I mean, real quick.
He just storms him, boom, hits him with the right hand, boom, another right hand, and just gets him on the ground and beats the fuck out of him.
I mean, this is like maybe six or seven seconds before they stop it.
He's out cold.
kyle kingsbury
I have those mats in my house.
joe rogan
Puzzle mats?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, they're in the living room.
joe rogan
The exact color.
kyle kingsbury
I check them like that, too.
joe rogan
You're an animal.
You keep in the living room?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
kyle kingsbury
That's hardcore.
We can just fucking do yoga.
We can roll.
That's hardcore.
I'll wrestle with my son there.
joe rogan
You'd freak people out if they came into your house.
If they're new in the neighborhood.
So, uh...
kyle kingsbury
Fucking hang out with me for a minute in the living room.
joe rogan
Come on over and have some cacao.
kyle kingsbury
Stipping through my gorge.
joe rogan
Cacao.
Yeah, it's like a mild dose of MDMA. Hey, look at my living room.
It's fucking wrestling mats.
Nothing creepy about that.
kyle kingsbury
That's the move.
joe rogan
This big giant dude, this big jack giant dude is drinking cacao with his fucking five-finger toe shoes on.
Yeah, welcome to the neighborhood.
That's the neighbor.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, come on in.
joe rogan
Come on in.
Yeah, he really loves yoga Is it funny like Like, that sounds like a great thing if you were single, you know?
Like, if you're just a bunch of guys living together, I've heard a hundred stories.
Yeah, we have our living room matted up, and we just drill.
I know a lot of guys who got really good because of that.
Like, jiu-jitsu guys that wound up being roommates with other jiu-jitsu guys.
And so instead of just going to class every day and rolling, they would take, like, one or two days a week, and they would do, like, a straight hour of nothing but drills.
And, like, dude, you'd be amazed at how much better you get just from doing that.
kyle kingsbury
That makes sense.
joe rogan
Those guys don't give a fuck about pads in the living room.
kyle kingsbury
That's kind of what I do with yoga, though.
I just get on the mat.
I don't have the time now to go to a full yoga class, so I'll just hit it then.
I'm there, I'll drop down.
My wife's yoga certified now, so she'll put me through some shit, and we can just do it.
joe rogan
That's very nice.
That's very nice to have.
Do you ever do it outside in the grass?
kyle kingsbury
Yoga or rolling?
joe rogan
Yoga.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, I've done yoga outside in the grass.
It's nice to be outdoors.
joe rogan
I think it is too.
kyle kingsbury
You can do yoga anywhere.
For sure.
I was doing it on the Cathedral Rock on the LSD and the cacao.
joe rogan
Is that candy flipping?
Or what?
How's that work?
Because it's kind of candy.
kyle kingsbury
It's kind of candy flip, yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa, is that where candy flipping came from?
Chocolate mixed with LSD? I don't think so.
kyle kingsbury
I don't think cacao's been around a little longer than LSD. Right.
But the original candy flip must have been MDMA with LSD. Probably.
joe rogan
But maybe it was candy.
Maybe it was cacao.
It's fucking chocolate.
kyle kingsbury
A little LSD-laced chocolate.
joe rogan
Hmm.
What else should we keep an eye on?
kyle kingsbury
As far as interesting substances?
joe rogan
As far as interesting substances that you didn't know can make you trip balls.
Like, now that we know it's cacao, I get a cacao shake at this fucking juice place I go to.
kyle kingsbury
You're not going to see shit on cacao.
I'm saying it has similar properties.
Dude, you're not going to see aliens.
You're not going to see a damn thing.
joe rogan
I'm going to eat a triple dose.
Whatever you took, I'll take three times as much.
We'll see what happens.
kyle kingsbury
That was an issue, though.
The issue is there's a lot of magnesium in cacao, and I had fasted for four days, so at three o'clock, I was like, we need to go now.
unidentified
Wow.
kyle kingsbury
And I fucking sprinted down the mountain for the shitter.
joe rogan
Whoa.
kyle kingsbury
Straight liquid.
unidentified
There you go.
joe rogan
Another one.
Another one.
kyle kingsbury
You know what, though?
I was able to keep that tight.
I was pinching the butthole like that lady with the vaginal clip going.
joe rogan
It's a real accomplishment when you can do it.
kyle kingsbury
It was a hard Kegel.
joe rogan
I almost shit myself a few months back, headed to the Improv.
I was real scared.
I got over the top of Laurel Canyon and I was going down Fairfax.
I was like, I might not make it.
I might not make it.
kyle kingsbury
You start sweating?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was sweating hard.
Did not feel good.
Felt very nervous.
Very nervous.
Yep.
kyle kingsbury
I don't know what else is out there, you know?
I know we're combining some really cool shit.
I mean, getting to work on the podcast is fucking amazing and thank you both for encouraging me to start one.
joe rogan
I'm glad you did, man.
You're so good at it.
It's like such a natural thing to you.
It's hard to believe that somebody had to prod you.
How do you not look at what, I mean, you're able to, you're constantly able to recite interesting information about science or medicine or physiology.
You always have this stuff at your fingertips.
Like, why wouldn't you do a podcast?
Doesn't even make sense.
kyle kingsbury
It all makes sense now.
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
But it's like being, like, really good at playing guitar and someone says, like, you should probably be in a band or something.
Like, fuck that.
kyle kingsbury
Like, I don't know, it sounds hard.
josh olin
It just doesn't seem like something I'm into.
joe rogan
I'm not really into music.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
I hate music.
So yeah, we got the podcast and that's a big child of mine on it.
And then product development would probably be the other big piece of that.
joe rogan
Let me in on this.
How the fuck do you make those protein bites?
This sounds like a commercial, but those protein bites are, those are crack.
There's something in those things.
I've sent them to people.
My friend Aaron Snyder, he goes, dude, this shit's heroin.
Like, what's in this?
kyle kingsbury
You can't stop.
We consider making them into one so it's actually a bite.
And we're like, no...
People eat both, or if they do eat one, they'll hand the other one off.
joe rogan
Yeah, you give one to a friend.
kyle kingsbury
It's not going to waste.
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
No.
kyle kingsbury
We've got four new flavors coming out, and I get to be the guinea pig for that shit, too, with Aubrey and a few other people on the team, ETG, Lindsay.
joe rogan
Tastes so good.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, they're insane.
joe rogan
And they don't make you feel bad at all.
kyle kingsbury
No.
joe rogan
Have to eat them.
kyle kingsbury
The new flavors are going to be fucking top tier, too.
joe rogan
There's something about, like, I'm willing to get, like, a slightly adverse reaction if I'm hungry.
If I'm hungry and I want, like, a certain type of sugar-free protein bar, I'm like, I'll just fucking eat it.
I need something.
I'll eat it, but while I'm eating, I'm like, ugh, what is this?
What's going on here?
What is this?
You know, your body's going, yeah, you know, this is a little weird.
Like, whatever the protein in this is a little hard for me to digest.
Here's a fart for you, motherfucker.
unidentified
Hopefully.
Hopefully.
joe rogan
But with those protein bites, it doesn't feel like you did anything wrong.
kyle kingsbury
No, it's fucking healthy.
joe rogan
They taste good, but they don't feel like you did anything wrong.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you can eat four of them.
kyle kingsbury
That's the idea to make something healthy that tastes delicious.
joe rogan
I eat four of them all the time.
kyle kingsbury
I got the thumbs up.
Normally I'm not allowed to talk about shit we're not creating, but I'll just give you this.
We're going to fucking make really delicious, healthy cereal.
joe rogan
Cereal?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like Coco Pops?
kyle kingsbury
You fucking name it.
joe rogan
Really?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
joe rogan
How are we going to be able to do that?
kyle kingsbury
Well, I can't give away the secrets, but I'm just saying, son.
We're going to have some fucking really...
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
Is milk healthy?
kyle kingsbury
I don't think so.
I think for a lot of people it's not.
In California, you guys can get raw milk that's healthier, goat's milk's healthier.
joe rogan
But is raw milk healthy?
kyle kingsbury
I think it's healthier than the killed-off shit.
joe rogan
Definitely healthier than the killed-off shit.
kyle kingsbury
Where they fucking get rid of all the good bacteria that's in it.
joe rogan
100%.
100%.
kyle kingsbury
No doubt.
joe rogan
And then raw goat's milk is supposed to be even better for you than that.
kyle kingsbury
Yes, and the reason that we find out now...
Do you ever read The Plant Paradox by Dr. Stephen Gundry?
joe rogan
No.
kyle kingsbury
He's a fucking savage.
joe rogan
Did you bring this up on the first podcast we did?
kyle kingsbury
I don't think I had read that on the first podcast.
Greenfield turned me on to this guy.
He says that there's a different type of casein protein that...
Holstein black and white dairy cows make versus Southern European cows.
Goats don't make it.
Sheep don't make it.
So if you're going to have dairy, go with something from a Southern European cow or go with like goat's milk, cheese, sheep smoke cheese, those kind of things.
But I mean, if you're eating the fucking cereal like I'm doing, especially when I'm doing keto, I'll throw heavy coconut cream in there.
Like a canned coconut cream.
We're making our own keto ice cream with an ice cream maker.
Do the same shit.
joe rogan
Damn.
kyle kingsbury
You know?
Phenomenal stuff.
I'll let my son mow that down.
You don't want dinner?
You just want ice cream?
Cool.
unidentified
Whoa.
kyle kingsbury
There's fucking free-range egg yolks in there.
There's no fucking...
You know, it's all natural sweeteners.
Nothing's gonna fuck with his glycemic index.
joe rogan
People don't think that that would be...
You know, if you...
Everyone thinks you have to suffer somewhat.
Right?
But if they could figure out a way to make something taste like a real ice cream sundae, like with whipped cream, hot chocolate, cherries, everything, and have it be super healthy for you.
kyle kingsbury
There's got to be a way.
Lily's Chocolate Bars, no affiliation with those guys, but they've fucking figured out how to make chocolate delicious.
joe rogan
And they do it with Stevia?
kyle kingsbury
They do it with Stevia and a couple other things.
joe rogan
What is it called again?
kyle kingsbury
Lily's.
L-I-L-L-Y or I-E? Yeah, they're at Whole Foods, Sprouts, all those places.
They're fucking insane.
They're really insane.
They've got it dialed in.
But I mean, if you could melt that down on some homemade ice cream, that's something I tell people a lot is, If you're gonna cheat or if you're gonna eat for mouth pleasure, make it yourself.
Make your own fucking pizza with a better crust.
Make your own dessert with shit that's not gonna spike your blood sugar and make you fat and cause inflammation and fuck your brain up.
Just make it yourself.
Go the extra fucking mile.
Do it yourself.
It'll be way healthier.
joe rogan
Yeah, but people don't have time for that shit.
Do you have time to make your own keto waffles?
Really?
kyle kingsbury
No.
No, I don't do that.
joe rogan
Have you ever had those no waffles?
kyle kingsbury
I've watched, you were talking about them, and I saw, and they did a repost.
Haven't tried their waffles or their syrup, but I'm down to try.
I just haven't found the syrup anywhere.
joe rogan
Well, you get it from their website.
I fucked up some of their waffles with some syrup and just a pound of butter on it.
It was sensational.
kyle kingsbury
That sounds like a good idea.
joe rogan
I didn't feel bad.
After it was over, I felt good.
I was like, I don't even feel terrible.
kyle kingsbury
That's the goal of creating shit like that, right?
We've got a ton of keto shakes now at the Onnit Cafe.
unidentified
Yeah.
kyle kingsbury
They will fucking change your life.
joe rogan
Damn.
kyle kingsbury
They're insanely good.
joe rogan
Life-changing.
kyle kingsbury
Yeah.
No doubt.
And they don't make you feel bad.
joe rogan
That's the key, right?
Like, if there aren't some, like, I'll tell you, no plug here.
These fucking Kill Cliffs.
These are goddamn delicious.
I don't have any business affiliation with them.
But they don't, how much sugar does this thing have in it?
unidentified
Zero.
kyle kingsbury
It's just a rhythm.
joe rogan
Zero.
Zero sugar.
Shit tastes good.
But it doesn't have any bullshit in it, right?
I mean, this doesn't have any aspartame or anything.
What are they using it for?
What are they using this to sweeten it?
kyle kingsbury
Erythritol.
joe rogan
What is that?
kyle kingsbury
It's a natural sweetener that's low glycemic, similar to stevia.
Like xylitol is similar to stevia, but they all have different flavor components.
So some of them work better for an energy drink.
Some of them work better for ice cream, shit like that.
joe rogan
This is recovery and hydration.
That's what it is.
This shit tastes fantastic, and then there's no bad feeling afterwards.
Like, if I drank that and that was a Coke, I'd be like, oh, so good going down.
A cold Coke in the aluminum can.
You crack the top, and it's got the fucking condensation all over the top of it because it's so cold.
kyle kingsbury
I haven't had a Coke in fucking 15 years, probably.
joe rogan
Ooh-wee!
Especially if you have some barbecue, dude, you're in the middle of a slab of ribs, and you go for that cold Coke, and you just chug, chug, chug, and you feel the syrup.
kyle kingsbury
Never.
Out of here.
joe rogan
You feel the thick syrup making its way to your veins.
But for that mouth pleasure, you'll trade it all.
kyle kingsbury
Do you like the Zevia?
Have you had Zevias?
unidentified
Love it.
kyle kingsbury
They're fucking amazing.
joe rogan
I buy them all the time.
kyle kingsbury
It's not the same flavor as Coke.
I fucking love it, though.
joe rogan
The root beer ones.
kyle kingsbury
Uh, ginger ale's good.
joe rogan
Yeah, they got some great ones.
kyle kingsbury
They're fucking great.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can legit get things that taste good now that don't have sugar in them.
I mean, we're just so addicted to the things that have the sugar in them.
You know, if we could find healthy alternatives.
It's possible.
kyle kingsbury
They're coming out.
joe rogan
They're coming out.
Well, listen, man.
Let's go fucking shoot some bows and arrows and shit.
kyle kingsbury
I'm fucking down.
joe rogan
It's already 3 o'clock.
Let's get this over with.
Hit it.
Kingsboo on Instagram and Twitter.
kyle kingsbury
Yep.
Onnit.com for everything else.
joe rogan
And host of the Onnit podcast, which is available on iTunes.
And where else are you guys available?
Are you on?
kyle kingsbury
Everywhere.
All good.
joe rogan
And I think you guys are on YouTube, too, right?
kyle kingsbury
Yeah, we just started doing full length.
Originally, we were doing that for...
A little marketing tool shit like that.
joe rogan
Put it all up.
kyle kingsbury
Throw it up.
joe rogan
All right.
Well, listen, brother, we got to do this more often?
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Fuck yeah, brother.
joe rogan
But we just did it.
kyle kingsbury
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Kyle Kingsbury, ladies and gentlemen.
We'll be back!
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