Candace Owens and Joe Rogan dissect outrage culture’s hypocrisy, from Trump supporters’ targeted harassment after her Social Autopsy Kickstarter to media retractions like the Washington Post and New York Magazine over fabricated claims. Owens traces her conservative shift—rejecting liberal figures like Jay-Z (a "traitor" for endorsing Clinton) and Beyoncé—to systemic betrayals, while critiquing modern racial victimhood narratives as oversimplified. She argues cultural decline (family breakdowns, religious erosion) trumps political debates like climate change, which she dismisses despite Rogan’s consensus push, and supports gay marriage but opposes immigration’s impact on young black men. Ultimately, Owens champions unfiltered individualism over institutional constraints, even as Rogan humorously speculates about her future influence. [Automatically generated summary]
You know, I had a guy on before, the guy that you just met, Dr. Robert Schock.
He's a geologist from Boston University and he is a part of this back dating of the ancient, the history of Egypt.
And they're talking about You know, all these different structures that might be thousands and thousands of years older than people think they are.
And one of the things that he's working on is that there was coronal mass ejections from the sun somewhere around 10,000 years ago that basically killed off a giant percentage of the population on the planet.
Lightning storms, millions of times greater than anything we've ever experienced before.
That literally was like lightning coming down like rain, barbecuing the ground, killing people, people forced into caves, civilization resets.
It's almost like we need something like that to really be upset about.
There's one thing that is absolutely happening, whether people like it or not, or believe it or not, is that people are trying to silence other people's opinions.
That's correct.
If you say something that doesn't jive with them, instead of saying, wow, this lady's kind of out there, or she's saying some shit that I'm not sure I agree with, instead of that, they're like, fuck!
My mom told me that she went to bed, got up in the morning, and she had got up and put red lipstick and nail polish all over the white bathroom carpet.
Those little brochures.
She just painted on it like a child.
She had zero recollection of it.
She's like, this is scary shit.
She just painted like a little kid would.
Like a two-year-old would get a hold of your lipstick and start drawing on the walls.
I guess you could say it's a little bit of paranoia.
But once I started down this journey of realizing that, oh my god, I lived for 26 years and my mind wasn't my own.
I thought being a liberal was okay and everything that was said on TV was okay.
Then it's very easy to sort of get a little paranoid and go, okay, well, what else do I accept normally that is actually retrospectively a little weird?
And I started thinking about drinking.
I'm like, how can drinking possibly be the cure to everything?
Like, no matter what emotion you have, there's like a liquor designed for it.
So I was like, this is a little shady.
Like, I don't know.
I just feel like, and then I did like a little bit of math, and I calculated that since I had started drinking when I was like 14 years old, and I would say like fair, like I drink every weekend, probably more in college, maybe five days a week in college, right?
Then I was like, wow, I've technically drank for like three years of my life, and that feels weird.
And I'm at the age where all my friends are getting married and the first thing they say when I say I don't drink is like, you're not going to drink at my wedding?
This guy had this theory that alcohol, and people call alcohol spirits or whatever, that when you drink, it allows evil spirits to come into your body.
I mean, look, I'm sure I'm not gonna, like, never drink again, but, like, I'm not even, I don't even think about it.
Like, it's just, like, this is the new Candace.
I'm sure, like, when I get married, right, like, I'm not gonna not have, like, a glass of champagne, but, like, right now, like, especially with, like, the stuff that I'm doing, I'm, like, I just don't have the energy to be, like, tired.
But yeah, I just kind of, I was really passionate.
I understood I had studied for, like, it sounds strange, but like, I spent a year underground, like, studying politics once I had my red pill moment, if that's what you want to call it.
Well, there was a prank phone call, so I didn't know.
I was like four male voices, and I was like in high school at the time, and I was like, okay, I cannot think of four human beings that want me dead that would say, like, we're gonna put a bullet in the back of your head like we did to Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks, like naming off.
I have my buddy Tommy Jr., he lives in Connecticut, and I'm always telling him, dude, you gotta move out of Connecticut, and it became this terrible running joke where I talk about that Connecticut's the worst state in the country.
No, so I was at a boyfriend's house when I got the calls and I just like put it to a sign because it was like blocked number so I was like I didn't think anything of it and then like when I listened to it like it was like some pretty horrific stuff like I definitely cried you know I was 17 years old and then the next day at school I took this like philosophy class and like I don't know what the topic was I don't know what prompted me to raise my hand and like Introduce what had happened last night as a segue.
Maybe I just need to get off my chest.
But the teacher spazzed out and was like, get up.
We're going to the principal's office.
You have to report this.
He brings me into the office.
The principal freaked out.
The language was shocking.
And then she called the resource officer.
And then the next period of my life was like a blackout because It turned out that three of the kids I had never even met.
This was maybe some kids that had their first beer.
One of the kids I was friends with, but we were arguing because he was upset that I was spending so much time with my boyfriend.
Oh, that's what it was.
But he's gay.
He just was jealous.
I used to hang out with him every day, started hanging out with my boyfriend.
And then he was like, here are my three friends and we're all going to get drunk and call this black girl.
It's easy to say awful things into this.
You don't have to look at a human being.
It's easy to say awful things.
But unfortunately for me, one of the people in the car happened to be the current governor of Connecticut's son.
So this turned from...
Some kids prank called to, like, said some awful things to, like, front page of the newspaper throughout the entire state of Connecticut, a little bit in New York, NAACP outside of my school.
It was, like, this situation that was talking about outrage culture, my first, like, introduction to outrage culture and the things that sort of formed my thoughts.
Like, this was a very formative experience in my life.
To me, it was non-political, but my life wasn't mine.
I went from sitting down watching Talladega Nights with my boyfriend to being the most discussed person in the state of Connecticut.
What was interesting about it was just that because it was the governor of Connecticut's son that was in this car, They had to get the FBI involved to determine the authenticity of the—like, maybe she called herself.
Instead of just saying, like, yes, it was my son, he actually let the FBI investigate for six weeks and waited for his son to get arrested six weeks later.
Like, I was walking through New York City the other day, and, like, a huge bus, like, just happened to, like, stop in front of me and, like...
Literally 45 Asians got off and suddenly I was just like I couldn't like walking around like oh I was like why do Asians always travel in packs right like the most bizarre thing like I don't have an issue with them taking a bus and traveling and then afterwards I giggled I was like what a stupid thing a stupid thought to even had to have because I'm frustrated in a moment that I can't like get my bearings in New York City um so yes I think that people in a moment of a frustration of anger if you add alcohol if you add Ambien right Mm
I hate the idea that you can't say something like they were literally, I mean, everyone piled in, every celebrity on The Sun piled in when I tweeted a couple of weeks ago that I was having a conversation.
I don't know if you saw this.
I was like, I was having a conversation at lunch.
I've just been observing Chelsea Handler.
I just think she's a weird person.
I don't know what happened because I used to really like her 10 years ago.
It's not politically correct, but I observed the pattern of Kathy Griffin.
I observed the pattern of Chelsea Handler and Sarah Silverman on the fence.
Not as bad, but in that neighborhood.
So I tweet out, do you think there's something associated between women who don't have children and they need something to nurture and foster and try to raise?
And in this sense, it's society.
They are just trying to parent the hell out of society.
She's a kind person, but there's something like, once in a while, I'm just like, what?
I did actually go back and I said, you know what, Sarah?
I shouldn't put you in the same category as Kathy and Chelsea, but they're obsessed with everything, and they're completely wrong and educated about everything, and yet they think they can say whatever they want, so I tweet this, I mean, everyone was like, you delete the tweet.
Like, the Ellen Show's producers, like, I mean, Jake Tapper, like, delete the tweet.
I was like, imagine if you could say anything to Ivanka.
This girl's not even going to lose her job.
And she can say anything to Ivanka, you can say anything to Sarah Sanders, anything to anybody, to me, right?
Anybody that supports Trump, it doesn't matter.
But then, like, these women who literally go after these people, like, the amount of vitriol that Chelsea Handler has thrown to Ivanka, you know, to every single woman in the world.
Chrissy Teigen is also like a, like, she's just, like, angry, like, you know, just like, hate, hate, hate.
And then, like, you say one thing about them, and, like, they're like, how could you even question?
How could you even ask the question if it's because they don't have kids?
And I'm like, the fact that you guys are so outraged makes me sort of think that, you know...
I said, listen, like, and she's been working on it for a year.
She's actually into this now.
Like, she's into this, like, prison reform.
And I'm passionate about it.
Like, I grew up seeing my uncles in prison.
So, like, for me, the only time that I, like, snap back at anyone is if it's something that I care about.
And obviously, like, I really am passionate about black America.
I'm really passionate about the changes that can happen for black America.
And prison reform is something I'm really passionate about.
So I've been observing how hard Jared Kushner's been working on this, how hard Ivanka has been working on this, and have really understood what they're trying to do.
I went to the Prison Reform Summit a month ago, and Kim, she doesn't even agree with Trump on a lot of stuff.
She's thrown some shade at him.
But this is something, this Alice Marie Johnson case she was doing before Trump got into office.
All of that stuff, like when they do stuff like that, it's great and it's honorable.
But like the stuff that I hate that celebrities do and which I differentiate from and I guess this confuses people is when they just give their opinion.
Like we, you know, at like the Emmys and they're on stage just like teaching all of us about how wrong, you know, our opinions are.
It's like I don't need this celebrity grandstanding.
Yeah, they used to say a couple of names of producers, come up with a little piece of paper, and then they used to always thank the man upstairs, and they used to go down.
So he started this because when he won the Academy Award for, I want to say it was Apocalypse Now, he had a Native American guy go on stage and take it in his place to highlight the plight of Native Americans.
Maybe it was a different movie, but it became his big political speech.
They're like we can't say shit even back then nobody knew what to do like She's hot as fuck.
She's really pretty And he has asked me to tell you in a very long speech which I cannot share with you presently and Because of time, but I will be glad to share with the press afterwards that he, very regretfully, cannot accept this very generous award.
And the reasons for this being are the treatment of American Indians today by the film industry.
Yeah, well, he's right about this, but he was trying to correlate what Kim did with Alice Marie Johnson with that, and I'm like, come on, man, that's totally different.
And just in general, sometimes he just gets a little hall monitor for me.
Him, like, you know, him tweeting out, I love the way Ken Stone sings, but beyond that, saying that he openly supported the president.
So I can see why Ben shuts something like that down initially, because to him, like, Culture is not the way you talk about politics, right?
Because he's by the book.
But he has to understand that by the book is not the way people in the hood are being raised.
By the book is not the way people in the projects are being raised.
These people have had their families destroyed and decimated by the welfare system, right?
The fathers aren't even at the homes.
The single motherhood rate jumped from 25% in 1965 to 74% today.
And so these kids turn to culture.
To father them.
They turn to Jay-Z and Beyonce and hip-hop and Kanye and to tell them what's right and what's wrong.
So for so long, because the left has had a stranglehold on culture, they've had a stranglehold on black America.
So the most significant thing that opened up this dialogue beyond the work that I was doing was this simple tweet and this simple show of support from Kanye West.
And I was so frustrated that he had to, in that moment, dismiss him as crazy.
It's just like, dude, just be willing to learn.
Just be willing to say, I don't understand why the hell this is the way that Black people are willing to talk about politics, right?
But maybe there's something here.
And I always understood that culture was the most important vertical.
When Charlie and I first met and we sat down, I defined three verticals.
We started Turning Point USA, who I worked for, when he was 18. And he is a savant.
They call him Trump's Boy Wonder.
He's brilliant.
If you want to talk about smart, the smartest person I know is Charlie Kirk, hands down.
And he's only 24. He didn't go to college, just reading weird stuff when he was seven.
Everyone's like, oh yeah, I just read that Thomas Sowell.
He's like, yes, I read it when I was six.
I'm like, what?
Could you not say that?
Could you be cool?
But so when Charlie and I met and I told him my plan to sort of help black America and to wake them up because I understood how we had fallen victim to this brainwash.
Because he knows what's happening to black America and he's somebody that built his entire career off the backs of black America, you know, of being the guy who started in the hood in Queens and was a drug dealer and worked his way up and he became the idol for so many people in black America.
And then he stands on stage and endorses Hillary Clinton.
He stands on stage and tells black America to put the same people in the White House that locked up more black men than any president in the history of the United States, Bill Clinton.
The person that stands on the Crime Bill of 94 is Bill Clinton.
But because Jay-Z is now focused on getting a piece of the pie, the globalist piece of the pie, he doesn't care about black America.
So they were a part of the celebrated celebrities that were allowed to go to the White House, and they'd wear the ties, and everybody would be taking photo ops.
But it was a cool thing to be friends with Obama.
Nobody wants to go to the White House and celebrities, it's hard to get celebrities to go with Trump.
Well, it's just, you stick your neck out in that way.
People on the left, for sure, look at anyone who's a Trump supporter as an open target, even if they're a reasonable person, even if they're a person who's kind and measured and very even-keeled.
Think about when he makes a tweet on Memorial Day, saying that the dead soldiers would be really happy to know how good the economy is doing and how black unemployment is the lowest it's ever been.
And then the same thing with when he said to black people, what do you have to lose?
Right.
Prior to that, he had listed every stat where quite literally you got to end of it and you're like, you don't have anything to lose here.
But then they get that clip and they're like, Trump is insulting black America.
He's saying that they all live in...
No, he's saying that statistically speaking, if you look at the people that live in the projects, look at the people that are in poverty, it is black America.
So he's asking, the past administrations have not been serving you.
- Yeah, but that's the thing is they're like, They're in on the joke, and I think that people don't realize how in on the joke they are.
He's aware that you say all of this stuff about the fact that he tweets out and says all of this stuff.
Don Trump Jr. is aware that he's a billionaire's son, and that's what people say.
Oh, you're a billionaire's son.
They're so funny and that it's sad that people don't get to see that side so I actually do hope that they all come on this show because it's people should actually see how hilarious they are and how aware of themselves they're like the most to me in my opinion the most likable relatable first family like of my lifetime like you know I can't speak to anyone but they're so you didn't think that Obama You know what's funny?
I was at a dinner last night with people that came over from Cuba, and this woman said that when she first heard Obama speak, and she was way older, she broke down crying because it reminded her of the first time she heard Fidel Castro speak, which is a bizarre thing to say.
I was just like, what?
I don't know anything.
I've never been to Cuba.
And they got scared that America was going to turn into a communist country.
Like, a lot of people that are conservative, they love the fact that you're attractive, you're smart, you're articulate, you're black, and you're fucking forceful with your thoughts and ideas, and you push them through quick, and you're not scared of pissing people off.
And this is very exciting to conservative people that are on the sidelines, like, yeah!
It's like, we got a fucking great running back, you know, we're gonna win the Super Bowl this year.
It was an idea that I had to build something that would be like screenshots of what people said online, and to put them in a timeout.
So literally, we were going around, we were meeting with high schools, and saying, we're thinking about building something for children.
So instead of going to prison because you sent a mean tweet or a mean snap, what if you just couldn't try out for the football team?
You know what I mean?
Like, what if, like, your teachers checked a database to see, like, how you're behaving online?
Was it, like, naive going back?
Like, sure.
But the idea that the feedback that we were getting from principals was, like, first try on adults, because, like, if this goes awry, like, to do this for children is, like, not going to be a great idea.
So I started Kickstarter saying that I'm raising money for this project to help combat online bullying.
It was like a project that was so from the heart.
It was just like trying to rectify the wrongs that I felt were done for these kids that aggressed me in high school.
And instead, I end up in the middle of a firestorm.
Again, it's unbelievable.
I was like, God, really?
Gamergate scandal.
Do you know about this?
You've spoken to Milo.
So I knew nothing about it.
I wasn't a gamer.
I wasn't online.
I wasn't in politics.
I knew nothing about it.
But I put this Kickstarter up saying, like, what we're doing is figuratively lifting the masks off of trolls.
And the internet lost its mind.
It lost its mind.
And a girl named Zoe Quinn, who was patient one of the Gamergate scandal, calls me.
And at this point, she was working for Twitter as the official anti-harassment arm of Twitter.
And she basically threatens me and tells me to kill the project.
And I had no idea the bread and butter of the Gamergate scandal.
First, she started off with, like, I'm the girl that was the victim of Gamergate, and instantly, to me, it was off.
People don't wear a victim like a badge.
Like, I knew this, because I had gone through this in high school, and she was like, I'm telling you why you need to kill your project immediately, because there are people, you know, that harass me, and they will harass you if they find out about it.
I'm trying to save you, like, you know, and I was kind of like, you know, I appreciate the sentiment, but like, no, thank you.
And then she got, like, You know, increasingly like, you have to kill this project.
that they enjoy it here that's the story so i hang out the phone with her i tweet this right within one hour we start getting inundated just like she said she said if you don't kill the project mean trump supporters are going to come after you and start harassing you like literally like we're getting like inundated with emails that say like bob at trump 45.com and they're like die and we're die If you go through it, we're going to kill you.
I was like, well, this is kind of perfect, right?
You warn me, and then it happens within an hour.
We had no messages, nothing, and then all of a sudden, I was full on, and I was like, no, no, no, sweetheart, you did this.
You orchestrated this.
And she had been accused of doing this five times.
Milo and Breitbart were just covering all of the instances that people have accused her of.
She calls them, and then they get harassed.
She calls them, and then they get harassed.
And I didn't give a...
I had no horse in the race.
I don't care about, you know, gamers, respectfully.
I don't game, right?
I didn't care about politics, you know, respectfully.
At that time, I wasn't politicking.
I just had a phone call with a girl.
It was a little weird phone call.
And then suddenly I was getting inundated with emails.
I was literally like fully doing this degree 180 thing and I was gonna really try to build this high school like this thing to help kids that everyone says you docs minors like literally like we were building this platform so that children would never have to be like get in serious trouble for doing stupid stuff like via technology ever again.
She messaged me.
I gave it to her.
She messaged me on Twitter.
She was like Burnt Witch or something.
Literally, her handle was Burnt Witch.
And at that time, I wasn't even on Twitter.
I had just made a Twitter profile, and I see someone that has a checkmark, and it says official whatever handle of Twitter.
That made me want to partner with me, because I'm like, oh, this girl's been harassed on the internet.
Maybe she'll want to help kids.
Right.
Alice in Wonderland like it totally like insane Alice in Wonderland and then like all of a sudden there's like a cat who's like smoking so you think that someone orchestrated this attack 100% fake Trump supporters that were going after you wasn't real yeah that was my like I was like oh how convenient we've been on Kickstarter for three days no one has harassed us you call me and tell me kill the project or I'm gonna get harassed I hang up the phone with you and now or later we're getting inundated with harassment And she was saying that you were going to get harassed by Trump supporters.
When the Gamergate people, these anonymous men who harass people, the people that harassed me, when they see what you're working on, they're going to freak out.
You can't do it.
They've ruined my life.
And then she started saying, you're going to get doxxed.
They're going to find out where your parent lives.
And literally after that, someone sent me a map, and they had doxxed my family.
My grandmother's, where she lives, my grandfather.
And I got in the middle of a cultural war and people were like, get in touch with Nero.
I'm like, who the fuck It's Nero.
It was Milo Yenopoulos at the time.
Like, you know, like, you just, like, landed.
And then people that I thought were white nationalists, which was, like, Breitbart, was the only publication that was, like, just telling the truth about what's happening.
Like, just saying, like, this girl jumped on Kickstarter.
Like, she's no, like, no leg in this race.
She's not political.
And, like, this is what she says happened.
So it was just a bizarre, it was a very bizarre situation.
But it changed my life because the people that I would have thought in that moment would have like come after me and said awful things about me or said like were the people that were very kind.
Like, you know, at that time I would have said I was a liberal.
You know, I would have said like, you know, I supported Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton, you know, whatever it was.
You know, I wasn't politically active.
And people that were like reaching down and just being kind were like Mike Cernovich, who if I Googled his name, said it was he was like a white supremacist.
If pressed, if you think of where I'm at now and talking about how I hate labels, I was probably already a conservative, but I didn't give a shit about politics.
I had $100,000 in student loan debt, and I was just trying to pay it back.
That's it.
That was my whole life.
There was nothing about politics.
But at that moment, it was forced me to consider my political affiliations because I had me saying this I'm saying the New York Magazine tried to smear me.
The Washington Post tried to smear me at the exact same time.
Donald Trump is getting on a stage and he's saying they're fake news.
They were trying to figure out who was funding social autopsy.
That was what the journalists were trying to figure out for whatever reason.
Like, who's helping you?
So when I refused to say any memes, I just got that weird gut feeling on the phone.
I'm like, why are you...
Like, I'm telling you, like, this girl's been harassing herself.
Why are you trying to figure out, like, where I'm getting money from, you know?
And when I refused to answer, the girl was going to, like, lied and tried to say that I had said certain names, that she was just trying to get, like, other anti-bullying, like, organizations to come out and say I was a liar.
Like, say I was working with them.
But I had never said any namester on the phone.
And somebody gave me a tip.
Like, one of the anti...
I'm not going to say the name of...
They gave me a tip and said that...
You know, they called and, you know, did you tell them this?
And I was like, no.
I was like, I literally had the recording.
And they were like, you need to lawyer up.
Like, the Washington Post is trying to smear you.
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But what was it that they said that you hadn't said?
They were basically going to try to get a really reputable anti-bullying company to issue a strong statement against me calling me a liar.
But this company, because I had been in touch with them, because I had been on the phone with them, had a sense that they didn't feel good about the reporter either.
So they gave me a heads up.
I had actually recorded the conversation with the Washington Post.
They were going to print that, like, I said that this company, you know, was supporting me and they reached out to that company and that company denied it.
But I had never said that.
It was just a way to say that I was a liar, but I never said it.
Ultimately, the direction that we're all moving in as human beings, if you looked at human beings from 3,000 years ago to human beings of today, we're moving in a general direction of a much more positive culture.
No, human beings, especially when they're in, and I've learned this all the time, when they're in a spot where they're fundamentally unhappy, it's very easy for them to lash out.
So you think if those were white dudes hanging out in Starbucks, not buying anything, just sitting down, mind their own business, that they would've got fucked with with the same exact energy?
Sometimes when I'm there, I'm like, I wonder if any white people live here.
Philadelphia is 44% black.
Excluding Hispanic, 44% black.
It's unbelievable.
Everyone who works in my building, everyone's black.
It's like the weirdest thing.
I'm like, this is a very black city, right?
It's a bizarre city to be racist, outright racist in.
Like you're dealing with black people all day.
So you remove that and then you think to me, and I've seen this happen tons of times, is it possible, right, that this guy was just on like a power, like power trips happen.
I've seen it happen at the most bizarre places.
And I'm like, all right, like the airport the other day, like this woman gave me absolute hell.
At TSA. I mean, it was like, I can't even recap.
It was just absolute hell.
I could have walked away and said she was racist and she randomly selected my bag 22 times to go through and made me go through and miss my flight, right?
Or she was having a bad day and she was power tripping, you know?
And then people have these little positions.
It's like that movie where they go, doorman, you know?
And they have these little positions like the manager of Starbucks and you're having an off day.
And these two kids, I could have easily said, I'll buy a cookie, right?
Like, common decency, by the way, even for me, if I go use a bathroom at Starbucks, I'll just freaking buy a cookie or a little, like, juice box or water.
Just something that makes me feel, all right, it's a little more civilized if I just buy something, even though I'm just here to use the bathroom.
My cousin, who's half Mexican and black, had to go through this training and she works for Starbucks.
It's like...
To me, it's just insane.
It's like, is it possible that this guy was power tripping, these kids were being like, you know, they could have just bought something and it could have been resolved.
But you have two people that are being stubborn and taking it to as far as possible, you know, talk about like hall monitor, like, you know, these are the rules, and it just got too far.
Right, so I'm just like, if you were sitting there, I don't know, I've never called the cops in Philly, but I do know that Philly is just a very black city.
Black culture, this is the thing that's so funny because so much of what I do is inspired by this.
It's just like people, like this, I guess presentation of black people in the media, it actually gets me mad because To me, and I could be biased, I think black people are the most funny, we're so funny, so endearing.
When I'm around my cousins, there's not a better time that I can have when I'm around my family.
We're not easily offended.
We're constantly making fun of each other, making fun of other people.
And I'm like, this is not, like, the black community that I grew up in in my family.
And it's also not the black community that's just, like, who we celebrate.
Like, I was watching, was it Chris Rock's stand-up, Bigger and Blacker?
I watched that, like, from 1994. Classic.
Classic.
It is like, the stuff that he said, he could never say today.
Because that is black culture.
He went there on every single race, every single culture, made fun of everybody.
And it was beautiful.
It was perfection.
It was a sold out Apollo theater.
He comes out and the first thing he says is like, oh, white people in the back today.
You know what I mean?
And everyone gets up and starts cheering and then he starts making fun of black people about things that we need to fix, right?
He's being funny, but he's also saying stuff that's real, talking about that baby mama culture and the difference between the white community and he starts talking about school shootings.
Maybe it was Columbine that had just happened and he starts talking about that.
And nobody was sensitive.
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Nobody in the audience was going, the NRA! Well, that was a different time.
You know, I think the frontal cortex isn't developed until you're 25 years old, so who knows when you can make real good rational decisions for yourself.
And the idea is that if you take a 17-year-old kid fresh out of high school and send him overseas and put a gun in his hand, like he doesn't really know exactly what he's doing in the first place.
Now we've got this culture where you're making fun of kids.
We're so far away from religion.
That's weird to us.
Teaching religion, you've got a scarlet letter if you come in as a holy Christian kid in a normal public...
Public education thing you've got the family structure where it's like these kids are running the houses these days like I look on like Facebook and it's like supposed to be funny when like a four-year-old is acting like Cardi B. I'm like, okay Yes, it's funny cuz she's four but it's also like not funny cuz she's four right like how do you feel about little Tay?
It's, you know, for some people, here's the thing.
For some people, it's structure and it's helpful.
Ideologies are helpful sometimes because they give you like a format to live your life by or scaffolding to keep your moral beliefs inside of these boundaries and it helps you get ahead and you have purpose and decision making.
Jordan Peterson has some interesting ideas about religion and the fundamental beliefs and the lessons that are learned from things like the Bible and how they apply to human life and our own belief systems without them, without these sort of structures and belief systems, is one of the things that leads civilization astray and that it's done that before and things go awry.
Well, I actually had this debate with Charlie and I did a panel down in DC and we were talking about whether like, you know, the reintroduction of God and teaching him to school.
And I said, like, at some point, there seems to be the struggle.
I have this idea that like, human beings in a certain way, we're doomed to just keep repeating history.
I'm obsessed with Greek mythology.
I'm obsessed with Egyptian history, hieroglyphics, anything where they tell stories, especially Greek mythology, because the lessons are there and we just keep doing it, right?
Greed, lust, the things that human beings fall for, right?
So I had this idea when we were talking, because Charlie is an evangelical Christian.
I haven't really gotten into it with him because I'm not the person that should ever be debating or talking about religion.
It's not my like shtick, I guess.
But so what I said to him, because me and him both believe that in many ways, the reason that the government has the media started roundly dissing God, right?
Like in dissing Jesus Christ is because the government wants to be God.
But, you know, Andrew Breitbart said that politics is downstream from culture, right?
And you can argue that they feed into each other, whatever it is, but there's definitely something between culture and politics that is linked, inextricably linked.
So, when, you know, When everyone's on the same page, so if the government wants to get bigger, which it has been doing, and wants people to look to them for answers, which it has been doing, you have to understand they have to sort of destroy everything else that they would potentially be looking to for answers.
Right?
So instead of when you're down and out and people would just go to church and pray, right, or believing in your family or the family structure, they need to know that no matter what, you think the government is the answer.
That is what a leftist, at the end of the day, the left believes the government can fix all of their problems.
And I find, especially when I speak to all these leftists, they...
Do not believe in religion.
There's just a thing.
It's a trend I've noticed.
I'm not religious.
I'm not saying that there's something wrong with it, but leftists tend to be really apart from religion.
So the argument could definitely be made that the destruction of believing in the Bible, of teaching the Bible, is because you want to make it so that every time you have a problem, because our soul, we still need to believe in something.
We're naturally beings that we need to believe that something can fix something.
I really believe that.
It's the reason why we go get our palms read.
There's something else.
Somebody has the answer.
And people are starting to believe it's government in America.
And I agree with you, because that's why I argued with Charlie, because then he said, you know, government, the government, and now we have to go back to religion.
And then I said, okay, but Charlie, but then we could actually recreate all the terrible stuff that happened with religion when religion became daddy.
So we might just be going government, religion, government, religion.
So I think that we could say that, yeah, we need to start re-inducing these things, but then we could just end up with the extreme again where there's massive corruption in the church.
Not everyone's placing off emphasis in the church.
But the idea is that we're moving to a greater good.
We're moving towards a greater good that someday our children will enjoy.
And that we are in a better situation than our grandparents were.
Our grandchildren will be in a better situation than us.
And we're constantly moving towards improvement.
And this is the reason why we're so dissatisfied with racism and sexism and homophobia and hate and all the bullshit that we see in the world that can be prevented.
We think that if we can shun that and shame that and push it out of our culture that someday in the future we'll have gotten past this and evolved to the point where we as a culture and we as a civilization will be something that we are proud of.
And we're not proud of what we are now with school shootings.
And then they say, oh, well, you know, if something's wrong with him, he's in school and he's not, you know, performing as well, he's not paying attention.
Maybe you want them to pay attention, but assume that there's something wrong with them if they don't is what's crazy to me.
They assume there's something wrong with their child and that they need medicine because they're not paying attention to math problems on the board for an hour.
There's this famous Kanye quote where he says, when you see a five-year-old, they have so much energy, but they have so much confidence and so much passion in everything that they do.
They think they can be anything.
They can be a dancer or a singer.
They'll try to do flips.
And then go find, like, an 11-year-old after they've been socialized in school.
They're like, that spark just dies in them.
And it's because they're literally being put through a system that tells them that they can't.
Well, this girl got a 90 on her test and you got an 80, so something must be, you know, you're not getting this, right?
Well, maybe math is just not her thing.
Maybe she's not as good at math as somebody else.
I think everybody has their own pieces of brilliant and that the current education system does not foster to individualism.
They're actually trying to create a collectivist society by being able to measure a kid's brilliance by standardized testing, something Charlie and I very much disagree on.
It fosters a little bit of jealousy, but I'm like, I'm like, dude, this is, but this is like, I believe in this so much that I wish we could stop that because like, I'm like, no, let's change the paradigm.
Like, let's get Trump to do the, like the Joe Rogan show as opposed to, you know what I mean?
Like there's, but people don't see things that way.
It's all about me, me, me.
The ego comes out, you know?
So, but anyways, so I met Charlie.
That was a huge thing that happened.
I was speaking at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
Look, Charlie's 24. You could ask why he's flying around with the first family, too.
But when you meet him, you understand.
He's just absolutely brilliant.
And we just wanted to do this together.
I met him and I said, look, I think that there needs to be a black revolution against the Democratic Party.
I think I'm the person to lead it.
Like, I'm your girl.
And I was speaking on a panel with Dave Rubin about why I left the left and what I understood about the left, and he hired me on the spot.
He actually runs Turning Point USA. I know he's like so young.
It's insane.
And you should look him up and figure out who he is because he's, in my opinion, he's going to be a future president of the United States.
And everyone says that.
Everyone, every show he's been on in Fox says like, very rarely do you meet, like Rush Limbaugh just said, very rarely do you meet someone and think that's going to be a president of the United States.
Charlie Kirk will be a president of the United States.
Like, okay, so first off, like, let's not pretend.
Like, we can talk about social justice, like, warriors on the left.
We have them on the right, too.
Let's not pretend we don't have the people that, like, They they can't like as soon as I got to a hundred thousand YouTube followers every youtuber suddenly was like who is this deep dive and then they came with the like she was she yeah she she she she created social stuff she because she wanted to dox my like the most bizarre I have youtubers are looking up like has she ever dated a black guy like at the most absurd I'm like what are you guys doing like can we just all like just peacefully coexist I call it game of conservatives have you ever dated a black guy yes of Of course I've dated black guys.
Policies, shipping all of our jobs overseas, the regulation, the government getting bigger and bigger.
You can't do anything as an entrepreneur in America without a piece of paper from the government.
Discouraging people with a piece of paper, like shutting down the factories, forgetting that there's something, you know, there's a little land between New York and LA, believe This is what Trump understood.
We were losing that.
And Trump appealed to those people.
I'm still floored.
As I'm traveling the world and seeing different pieces of the country, I'm learning how ignorant I was.
And that's the best thing in the entire world.
Just, I fell victim to the idea that, like, it was progress.
It was progress.
It was progress.
We have to care about the environment.
It was progress.
And it's like, no, like, we've been losing.
America has been losing.
And Donald Trump understood that in a way that I didn't.
Well, I think the climate always changes, I guess is what I should say.
Do I believe that this is like, you know, an issue that is being, that is global warming, which they've changed conveniently, they got rid of the word, one scientist started disproving it, now they only say climate change?
No, I think that that was just a way to extract dollars from Americans.
And you would have to talk to a bunch of different scientists and see how they gather data and see what they understand about CO2 levels and what's the danger of them and what can combat it and what could not.
Well, he promotes science, and science is not bad.
But the real problem is with climate change is that...
For sure, there has been ups and downs throughout the history of this planet.
They're observable.
They follow them.
It was one of the subjects that I had earlier today with Dr. Robert Schock.
In 2014, the vast majority, 87% of scientists, said that human activity is driving global warming, yet only half the American public ascribe to that view.
But do you remember all of the stories that came out about the scientists that said that when they tried to present their evidence to show they were basically just getting shut down at every corner?
You can pull that up too.
What do you mean?
I guess look up the opposite.
Instead of looking for what you're searching for, looking for what you're not looking for.
And this is what Howard Bloom was on talking about a few days ago.
He was talking about that the real future involves the technology of climate control and that what we have to be really careful of is letting it get too far where you can't ever stop it and pull it back.
This is what scientists are warning about.
This is why they want emission standards.
This is why they want to figure out how to get people to be aware of the fact that this is a real issue.
Okay.
Human beings, if they never existed, the Earth has constantly gone through cycles.
The question is not whether or not the Earth has gone through cycles of cooling and warming.
The question is, are we exacerbating that?
The vast majority of scientists say we are.
Now this could negatively impact all sorts of coastal cities.
This could be a gigantic problem.
This is not like propaganda that's drummed up by some sort of big business that seeks to make money off of this or some sort of organization.
No, I personally think that this was just the next—the fact that it was presented to us by Al Gore, and it's just— It's not presented to us just by Al Gore.
Yeah, well, because plastic just can't, like, over time.
But that's what I mean.
Like, so when I say that I'm, like, I believe in recycling.
Like, I'm not, like, a person that's, like, this is...
But the idea that the government is just going to take trillions of dollars because we're in some agreement where we're all agreeing that we should do something is useless.
And look, from the stuff, like, there's obviously a lot of debate here.
And as I said, like, I'm not so...
The one thing you'll always find with me is I'll never pretend to be so educated on something.
Like, I'm not going on a college campus just talking about global warming.
306 scientists to confirm over 97% of climate scientists agree and over 97% of the scientific articles find that global warming is real and largely caused by humans.
So my question to you is if you want to step outside of the scientific consensus, which is vast and involves 10,306 scientists, and just say, I don't believe in it, even if you're right, Even if you're right, you don't have enough information to say that.
Just my recall on a lot of things that I read, and this was a while ago, so this is when I first formed my opinion on not believing this, I read a shit ton of articles.
Can't recall the data because, like I said, this wasn't something I was super passionate about.
It was like somebody posted something, and then I went on a tear reading about it.
But it was essentially just noting that in a lot of these studies, like when you go and you, if we had time to sit down and really pull this up, they're pulling, you know, 10,000 scientists that are within a community that is, like, these.orgs, do you believe in everything that MediaMatters.org puts out for statistics?
Right?
That's a political, that's a political arm of the Democratic Party.
But that doesn't mean that the funding affects the scientific research and the data, which they all agree on.
And this is universally across the entire planet.
Thousands and thousands of scientists would not stake their reputation on false data.
What they're saying is not that the only reason why the world is getting warm is because human beings.
That the only reason why the climate isn't totally static for the rest of eternity is because of human beings.
What they're saying is we are negatively impacting our own environment and we're doing it because we have poor technology and we use coal and fossil fuels and emissions and we're raising our CO2 levels and this is based on data.
And this is something that you can look at.
You could look at the data and follow where they're getting this information from and follow how they're making these conclusions and follow the vast majority of these brilliant people who study this shit their whole life.
And look, if I was a person that was putting forth policy on climate change or if I was a person that put out my opinion publicly on climate change, I would do all of that.
I understand what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that you're a very smart person, and people listen to you, and they're going to listen to you for a long time, I believe.
Okay, so you would prefer if my language, as opposed to admitting that I do not know this, I wouldn't die, I've never made a public statement, you would have preferred if I had just started by saying, I have no opinion.
I personally am inclined to believe that a lot of those studies are manipulated.
As I said, during the one night that I did deep dive on it, when they showed all the pieces of evidence or whatever, it just seemed a little shady, and I felt that it was politicized.
But I think that I have a right to say that I don't believe in something that I also don't know.
And that's what I said to you.
I don't believe in it, but I wouldn't die in this hill.
I think that the real thing that people are concerned about is just beyond any of that stuff.
I don't know.
I think that there's more concerns in society.
I personally think that some scientists started talking about global warming and it got politicized and they figured it was another way to extract human beings' money because of fear.
And then they said, we're going to find our core scientists that agree with everything we say.
It's been proven that Harvard studies have been incorrect because they were being funded by certain political interest groups.
So I'm not inclined to pull up something on...
I'm blanking, it'll come back to me in a second, but there were Harvard papers that have been funded by certain researchers that are trying to get a certain political position out, and it causes mass fear, and people are willing to spend their money a certain way.
So I'm not inclined when someone pulls up an article and says, look, 10,000 scientists, I err on the side of, okay, I don't know who those scientists are, I don't know what this organization is funded by, so I'm going to stick by my guns and say I don't really believe in it yet.
Now, if I decide that I'm going to run for office and I've got to make a decision on the atmosphere and what we're going to do about global warming and CO2 emissions, you better believe I will be fully ready to discuss it.
I'm not going to make a YouTube video and just know the outskirts of it.
I don't do that, right?
But if you and I are having a discussion, sorry, I don't believe in it.
Like, I don't know what else to say.
Open to learning.
I'm always open to learning.
I've been wrong before.
I was a liberal two years ago, or three years ago, so that's not a problem.
Like say something that feels inauthentic and what I wanted to say there was I don't believe in it It's just one of those things that it's become it's a real right-wing talking point It's like there's very few people like like pro-life is a very right-wing talking points very few I would imagine I'm not just guessing but very few liberals who are also pro-life Well, no.
And I became pro-life, but not because I think people that are pro-choice are awful human beings, you know, who needed to burn in hell.
But just because the history of it is really shady with Margaret Sanger and because I do recognize that it does seem a little off putting.
I don't say like, you know, I'm pro-life, but I just say to people that like the idea that the left is so pro-choice at the same time that they are running around reporting to, you know, Black Lives Matter.
It doesn't make any sense.
When you look at the numbers of black babies never even get the chance to live, and when you look at the numbers and just understand that 17 million black babies have been exterminated since 1973. What kind of black lives do you care about?
I don't believe that a baby's life starts after three months.
I think that that's crap.
That's scientific crap.
And we could probably pull up some articles that say, for sure, the baby's life does not begin until three months.
But we want to know the best indication that the baby's life begins before it because you have to rip it out of the stomach in order to kill it.
If left alone, it would grow into a baby, right?
So, I've thought about that issue, and now I have a stance on it.
Like, and that would be my stance, you know, if I was President of the United States.
I don't want to be the President of the United States.
I have cousins that are gay, even though, despite the fact on the internet, I found I'm anti-LGBT, which is insane.
But I just think that since the government has stepped up and decided it's going to be in it, if it's the governing body, everyone should have a right to the same tax cuts when you get married.
You can check certain boxes when you do your taxes because you're married.
So since the government is doing that, there's no reason why, if two guys live in the same house, that they should not be allowed to get tax cuts.
So the difference, it's the separation of the church and the state, right?
Well, the state has taken on something that traditionally was in the church, and because the state has, you have to look at it objectively, despite your personal feelings.
Look at it objectively, and every person has a right to...
To get a tax cut because they married the person that they love.
But so the number one thing, so my whole shtick, the only time I snap back or get upset is because I'm really focused on the black community, dude.
And the community that has been affected the most by illegal immigration is the black community.
It's just a fact.
I mean, you talk about low-wage workers.
The people that are the most unemployed in this company are young black men between the ages of 18 and 21. Right?
So they have been negatively impacted by the influx of people running over the border, because they'll come here and they'll say, okay, well, you were going to pay this guy $7, you know, whatever the minimum wage is, we'll do it for less.
And that directly impacts the black labor force.
So I, you know, I recognize that we very much have an immigration problem.
I think that the immigration, you know, they talk about diversity.
It's not diverse whatsoever.
Half of the immigrants that we take in are from Mexico.
That's making America Mexico.
That's a problem.
If you want to take in some more from Africa, that'd be great.
Only 3% come from Africa, or I think 4% last year came from Africa.
No, but these are the things that, so anything, like, in every situation, and you'll see this if you watch, like, Charlie and I live on campuses when we do this, every situation where I'm asked my opinion, my answer is tailored towards the black community because I just think that we have really gotten the shit out of the stick.
It's a very good thing, you know, and I'm sure your ideas, I mean, there's no better way to have your ideas expressed than to have no one that you're beholden to, to have no boss.
Yeah, I love that, and that's why it was like, you know, I started working with Charlie, and then I started building my own company, and now he's a part of my company, and now we work for each other, and it's just like, we're mission-driven, and I do support the president, but I don't want to go work in the administration.
That seems like a really, the worst job in America.
That just want to be able to have different ideas.
And that's why I snap back at...
I'm not a product of the right.
I don't want people to go, oh, Candace is destroying the left and she wants to create a monolith on the right.
No.
Wrong.
All I want Black people to do is understand you have a right to like certain ideas on both sides, but what you should never allow is for someone to use your identity to define how you have to think.
You should always be the person defining how you think.
That's the message that I say on college campuses.