Tim Kennedy and Joe Rogan expose Nazi fugitives in South America, like Mengele’s experiments in Colonia Dignidad (Chile) and Eichmann’s Mossad capture in Argentina, funded by stolen Jewish wealth. They contrast post-WWII recruitment of scientists like Von Braun with ongoing impunity for war crimes. Kennedy’s survival stunts—avalanches, bullfighting, 15-hour fishing shifts—highlight professions’ hidden brutality while critiquing society’s avoidance of hard work. His defense of Gina Haspel’s CIA leadership pivots on intent over methods, framing waterboarding as a tool for extracting life-saving intel. Mandatory national service emerges as a potential antidote to complacency, reinforcing discipline and real-world grit. [Automatically generated summary]
Yeah, like my reloading room is disgustingly perfect, and if I load the dishwasher, all the forks have to be symmetrical on one side, and the spoons have to be in the other, and all the mugs, the tall ones, have to be on one side, and then I'm like, yeah.
Like, if you're buying a chick in a 13-year-old girl in Tijuana and you're going to want to get the guy for counterfeit money and you want to get him for human trafficking...
And he starts handing you crappy bills.
The easiest way to spot the bills is to be able to see, have all of your proper bills all in the right order so the one that's fake is going to stick out.
You know, if you have like a bunch of, if you reload, and you have a bunch of grain bullets and you're going to measure and then lot them all.5 separation in grain, so it's like 175, 175.5, 176, 174.5, and so on.
When you stack them all together, the easiest way to group them instead of measuring every single one is to look at them and just put the ones that are similarly sized all together, smallest to largest, and then you can weigh them in kind of batches.
Greg, if you watch some of our fights, and you were cage-side for almost all of mine in the UFC, you'd hear Greg be like...
Okay, so that went according to plan, or, alright, so let's go ahead and change things up a little bit, because you just got your ass kicked, you know?
And Whitaker, you've got to remember, had his knee blown out in the first round.
He got his knee hyperextended, tore his MCL pretty badly in the first round and still was able to stuff takedowns on arguably the best wrestler who's ever fought in MMA. Pretty impressive shit.
It's a real touchy subject in hunting because there's a lot of people that are getting into that with really long range shots on animals and the question about whether or not it's ethical and who's it ethical for.
As a kid, the first time that I took a shot, I wasn't 100% positive the animal wouldn't just fall over.
I mean, my dad scuffed me up, you know?
And I was like, 11?
So...
There has since then been a, the preponderance of responsibility has always been on the hunter to, without question, know the animal is going to fall right then, right there.
We're not stocking it for two days.
You know, I'm not following a blood trail for nine hours to see an animal hyperventilating.
We're talking in the tens of millions of dollars go into conservation from hunters every single day from hunting.
The U.S. wildlife...
Department of Wildlife, they don't know how they're going to be paying for the protection of habitats without hunting permits because the number of people that are hunting are shrinking.
So there's a huge influx and question about how moral are different styles of hunting?
What are the best?
And how are we going to make sure that we protect these animals and protect their habitats?
All the while, you know, I was telling you about that elk I shot at the beginning of the year.
And I had a clean, broadside shot at 600 meters.
And I was like, I'm shooting a.308.
Totally super doable.
You know, I can do that almost in my sleep on my home range.
But I'm shooting an animal.
And I was like, no, let me just walk this guy down another ridge.
So move upwind, come back down, and my next shot was at like.320.
You know, one shot and he sits down.
So, I think the responsibility always, in all things, should fall on the individual.
But now it's just getting all the individuals to actually have responsibility.
Yeah, obviously I'm going to have a calloused, I'm not going to have the most objective perspective.
But I want to think people are good, but I think hunters in general, let's just use that because that's what we're talking about right now, of 100 hunters...
What percentage are going to do the right thing?
Are going to do the moral thing, the ethical thing, the thing that's the best interest for the animal, for conservation, for nature, out of 100?
And I wish anything other than that was just a mistake.
You know?
But...
There's going to be people that poach.
There's going to be people that cross property boundaries when they know they're not supposed to.
There's going to be people that shoot an animal when the season opens tomorrow morning and they get there a day early and they see an animal and they just say, fuck it, I'm just going to shoot it and hang it and say I shot it the next day.
There's like gray area stuff.
You know, you're definitely doing something illegal, but it's still hunting.
In addition to people being maybe moral or immoral or most are good or most are bad, There's the contradiction of people not even using their brains, you know?
I had the best tacos I've maybe ever had in my life last week.
Those are after getting waterboarded, right?
Yep, yep.
Maybe they tasted extra sweet.
But I had a bunch of friends over.
We had some wine from...
Right, right next door to where my parents, like where I grew up, and the animal, the elk that we were cooking.
I mean, I saw it for a day as I walked this thing down.
I mean, the most beautiful, majestic creature.
Like I said, I was 600, moved into just under three, or right at three, and...
So I got to see it in life.
I got to see it at its death.
I got to see after death.
I have the whole entire trophy, just like you.
But I have two freezers.
I garnered almost 600 cumulative pounds from the hide, the head, and the meat to shy of 400 pounds of meat off that thing.
Well, I've never done any coke, but judging from the amount of money that Pablo Escobar made and the way that people talked about it and how rich Medin still is, I think it's pretty good stuff.
So right now we agree with each other and we're, you know, almost echoing the same sediments.
So that person that doesn't agree with us, that vegetarian, vegan, a conservationist that looks at us like, no, no, you guys are hunters.
You can't be conservationists.
Where does the conversation start?
Where's the middle ground where you can find...
One, where an opportunity to build rapport and to have a conversation, to have a discussion, to have maybe even a debate where you can intellectually talk through your different perspectives.
I've been failing at this miserably of late, and I've been getting a lot of...
It's weird when my social media...
I think I have a lot of conservative, military, pro-Second Amendment types that follow me.
When that whole entire base is mad at me...
Which is weird.
And then on the other side, the far left progressive side is looking at me and being like, oh, we hate you too.
So I'm like, I have now pissed off 95% of people on social media because I'm trying to find middle ground so we can talk.
Talking about gun control after the Parkland shooting in Florida.
And he asked me, do you think gun control is a solution?
And I said, absolutely.
I think gun control can be a massive solution.
Verbatim.
That's exactly what I said.
Now, to me, gun control, those are words.
Words like well-regulated militia, the words in the Constitution.
That's almost synonymous to me.
Gun laws, also a form of gun control, just like a well-regulated militia.
I think that having good, safe gun laws save lives.
I don't want to have a felon, an MS-13 guy, an illegal immigrant, somebody that's been dishonorably discharged from the military, to get their hands on a gun.
We have those laws.
Those are forms of gun control, in my opinion.
But the conservatives' second amendment, if you use the words gun control, like I was immediately called a Benedict Arnold, I'm a traitor, I was a duff.
I don't even know what a duff is.
That was a reoccurring one.
I think it was the guy from Roger Rabbit, the guy that would hunt around with the gun, but he didn't know how to use the gun because he always missed Roger Rabbit.
Well, Hawk, if they just pay attention to you for five minutes, all they have to do is just go to your social media and go, this is not an anti-gun guy.
I have a theory on that I think there's a lot of people are just looking get pissed off and if you say any word that they Decide is a hot-button word like gun control.
They don't care if you've thought it out you have a rational perspective on what you consider gun control like there was a Statement that was released by a group of hunters It was hunters for gun control, and they had a bunch of reasonable reasons why people shouldn't have a firearm that could get a firearm currently.
And it all made sense.
But the response to that, the backlash of it, it's not debate.
It's like people on that side, the pro-Second Amendment side, they are so terrified of any new regulation.
And they think that you have to hold your ground because any slipping backwards is going to eventually lead to someone taking your guns away.
I mean, I do understand the death by a thousand cuts.
You know, I think that has always been the perspective.
You know, if you look at...
It's not like Adolf Hitler said, okay, we're going to kill all the blacks and all the Jews overnight.
That's not what happened, right?
It was over the course of seven, eight years where he just very slowly, incrementally changed laws.
Okay, they're not allowed to shop here.
Okay, they're not allowed to go here.
Okay, now we're going to move them all into the same area.
And very slowly...
Not slowly, in a matter of five, six, seven years, he started a genocide of an entire ethnicity.
And that's the fear.
It's, okay, it's going to be incremental.
And at some point, we're going to turn around and look and be like, look at all of this freedom that we've lost.
I think it's the same, you know, with during, right after 9-11, when George Bush, you know, the Freedom Act, or the Patriot Act, the Patriot Act, you know, like, that was one of the largest losses of...
Privacy that Americans have ever experienced.
But we're fearful.
We're scared.
I love dangerous freedom.
But overnight, we lost a ton of that.
Not incrementally, just overnight.
But the most efficient way is to take it bit by bit by bit.
So I get that.
But for Christ's sakes, man, you can't find somebody that's more of a proponent of the Second Amendment than me, except apparently on that day when I pissed off.
So I'm trying to figure out how to have a conversation.
I don't think that they are any more of a Second Amendment proponent than you are.
I just think they're ideologically so rigid in this idea that you can't change gun laws at all.
I mean, if you think that someone who's on antipsychotic medication, who has bouts of manic schizophrenia, you think that person should be allowed to have guns when they hear voices that aren't real, they see things that aren't really there.
Well, obviously the problem with that is someone can decide to report Tim Kennedy.
They can make up some story.
Look, Tim Kennedy's been acting crazy.
Tim Kennedy's doing these things.
He's gonna kill my family.
Tim Kennedy's doing this.
Tim Kennedy's doing...
If someone just decides to actively target you in that way, they can sort of frame you as some sort of a crazy person and then use that as an excuse to go after your guns.
I mean, as a guy that spends quite a bit of time, what I think hopefully protecting gun laws and protecting gun ownership, I don't even know how to get off that list.
Well, the conversation with animals has to happen in the middle.
When you're talking about the consumption of animals, you have the hardcore animal rights activists who don't want anything to die, but how do they feel about wolves eating elk asshole first?
Tear them apart.
Are you okay with that?
Are you okay with natural predation?
You are.
You're just not okay with humans predating.
So how do you want to balance out the population of, say, wild pigs?
What's your proposal?
They don't have one.
There's not enough resources in the world to go out and trap them.
And if you did trap them, what are you going to do?
So there was a period of time where we could go, and during the eradication, we were trying to curb the ever-growing population.
If you shot...
X number, you could bring maybe a fat sow in to the food shelter, and they'd have a butcher, and then they'd try to serve it, and they're like, nobody was eating it.
So then we tried that for about six months, and then they said, forget it.
Well, maybe, I mean, in their defense, maybe it's just really poorly handled, and by the time they get it, it's tainted, it smells bad, and I don't know.
I mean, it's entirely possible that somebody fucked it up along the way.
They don't treat wild pigs in Texas like you would treat a deer that you shot that you hunted down and took a long time to track, and you had to get into perfect position, and you cherish that meat.
And the reason why they're making hunting them illegal is because people are bringing them into areas and releasing them in public land so that they can hunt these wild pigs.
And they're recognizing this.
So what they've done to curb the desire for people to do that is, first of all, they're trapping them instead of running down with dogs or shooting them.
And they find by trapping them.
There's a great podcast that Steve Rinella, he has the Meat Eater podcast.
It's a great podcast.
But he had a guy who is a wild pig eradication expert from Missouri.
He works for the Department of Fish and Wildlife down there.
I guess they call it Fish and game down there.
California they call it fish and wildlife.
But they've used these traps.
They can get as many as like 63 pigs at a time.
And he's like, if we tried to shoot 63 pigs, it would take forever to do that.
So they're using these large-scale traps, catching these pigs, and, you know, they're just killing them.
And the way they're doing, they get a lot of backlash from hunters because the hunters are like, well, why don't you just let us hunt them?
They say, no, we want to get rid of all of them.
These are a dangerous invasive species.
You guys want to keep someone around for fun, but you're not going to manage the population correctly.
They're apparently doing a really good job in keeping them from spreading into new areas of public land.
They'll get a notification, someone will say, hey, we saw a sow and two baby piglets in this one area, and they will just go there immediately and just track those things down and try to kill them.
The areas where populations are clearly established, they're trying to get them from spreading.
I mean, hunting in general, we're talking billions and billions of dollars.
And, you know, whether you're trophy hunting in Africa and you're paying a few hundred thousand dollars for a water buffalo, or, you know, you're going and, you know, you're just getting some...
A blessed buck or an Impala, and you're still paying $10,000.
The flight, the donating the food to the village, the trophy fee, the processing, then the shipping, the gun itself, the ammo, paying for the pH, paying for the guide, paying for the tracker.
That's all real, real money.
And then even on the local American side, deer hunting, elk hunting, pig hunting, still billion dollar industry.
And that money directly goes back to habitat protection, conservation, not in like incremental percentages, massive portions of that money.
And this was in response to, you know, what Teddy Roosevelt did when they were trying to keep large swaths of public land available for people to recreate on and then try to bring back populations of these animals that needed funds to do that.
Because market hunting, people think it was like just hunters that decimated the population, sort of, but market hunting.
It was hunting wild animals for people to eat, which is now illegal.
You can't just go shoot a bunch of deer and then sell it to people.
It's illegal.
And one of the reasons why it's illegal is they wanted to stop market hunting.
So they take all this money, which I believe is 11%.
Is it 11%?
11% of all the money from hunting supplies, gear, guns, all that shit, all of it goes towards conservation.
And that turns out to be billions and billions of dollars a year.
And that's what keeps...
The protection, here it goes right here.
Okay, the early 1900s, many wildlife species were disappearing or declining.
The firearms and ammunition industry asked Congress to impose an excise tax.
I mean, that is amazing.
They asked Congress to impose this tax on the sale of firearms and ammunition to help fund wildlife conservation in the United States.
The Pittman-Robertson Act passed in 1937. Known as the Federal Aid and Wildlife Restoration.
So this is how wetlands get preserved, wildlife habitat, like traveling corridors for mule deer, how they keep them from getting developed.
All that stuff is through conservation money that comes from hunting.
The difference between the amount of money that comes from hunting and conservation acts that gets donated to preserve wildlife versus animal rights groups is so stunning.
I mean, some people donate a few dollars here or there to things, but the vast majority of the money comes from hunters, which creates this really confusing place for a lot of people who are opposed to killing animals.
In a year, one year, all of them were gone, just disappeared.
So the intent was, okay, these are nearing endangered, so we're going to not allow people to hunt them.
And then they went from endangered to Almost endangered to absolutely endangered, critically, because nobody was protecting them, because there were no hunters that wanted them.
It's hard for people to wrap their head around because it's so messy.
It's not a clean issue.
It's so messy.
And you see some fat slob holding his rifle over a lion and you go, and there's no way in nature this fat fuck should be able to shoot that lion and just, you know, and mount it on his wall.
There's a photo that I got off the internet of a guy.
He looks like he's about 500 pounds and he's just overflowing with gluttony and he's got a rifle and there's a dead lion there.
And I'm like, okay.
This is everything that's wrong with hunting because he's not going to eat that lion.
Why did he go over there to shoot that lion?
It's one thing if that lion was hunting his family or interfering with his cattle business.
No, no, no.
That guy flew over there.
He waddled over to the bog pod, rested the rifle down, and pulled the trigger on one of the biggest apex predators on the planet.
Everybody should have a problem with that.
It's fucking weird.
It's weird.
But now here's the contradiction.
If those animals aren't worth money for people to hunt, then what happens is, what happens in Zimbabwe, they just kill hundreds of them.
Because there's too many of them now.
Because people aren't hunting them, so they're decimating the ungulate population, so they have to curb the lions.
So instead of getting $50,000 or $100,000 a lion from a hunter, which goes to the villagers, goes to conservation, goes to hire professional hunters, now they get nothing.
And they have to pay someone to go and shoot these lions.
If you're going to get a bear tag from Colorado, or you're going to bear tag from New Mexico, for that tag to be issued, they measure the amount of food that's in each district, and then they're going to issue six tags, because there's enough food to, there's 12 bears there, but there's only enough food to feed six of them.
So they're going to issue six tags.
That, or, all 12 of them might starve to death.
Or the majority of them.
So they're going to issue, and you can go and buy your six tags.
That leaves six animals in that area, in that region that you're able to hunt.
You're paying for that tag a lot of money sometimes.
If you're out of state, you're paying a few hundred dollars, five, six, seven hundred dollars.
Yeah, and I have a buddy who lives in Iowa, and when you drive in his neighborhood at night, you better go 35 miles an hour, because those fuckers are just darting out in front of the street left and right.
We're circling back where, you know, when you're trying to have that middle ground, that discussion, that conversation, there's like this pre-assigned talking points.
Where everybody from every respective side makes essentially the same argument.
And you're just regurgitating what you've heard other people say.
But there's no new thought.
And there's no one taking a step to either side.
Like, okay, maybe there's something I'm not seeing here.
Let me look at it from this perspective.
Or vice versa.
Where this side, the hunter's like, no, no, you stupid snowflake.
Go get your Starbucks latte with your soy milk.
But they're never looking at it from anything new.
There's gotta be a lot of people that disagree with you and say I do a terrible job, that I repeat the same things over and over again, and I agree with them for a certain amount of the conversations, like this one.
I mean, I've had this conversation about conservation and animals a hundred times, but I think it's worth having a hundred more.
Because I think it's important that if someone is listening to this podcast and they didn't understand how it all works and they didn't understand that people who hunt and eat meat, they aren't monsters.
They're not evil people.
Just like people who eat grain aren't monsters because you callously disregard the lives of mice and rats and All the things that get ground up in combines and bunnies.
Like, if you buy grain, large-scale agriculture is bad, period.
It's bad in terms of factory farming, but it's also bad in terms of growing food.
If you grow a thousand acres of corn, you are absolutely displacing wildlife, and when that stuff gets harvest, you see vultures fly over those fields, and there's a reason.
It's because there's a bunch of dead things.
In fact, More dead lives occur in a pound of grain than occur in a pound of beef.
Because if you think that a cow is more valuable than a bunny because it's larger, you've got some weird life thing going on in your own head.
Because they are a large scale poisoning those fucking insects and you know it.
Everybody knows it.
And they're grinding those fuckers up with earthworms and mice and gophers and chipmunks and anything else that gets stuck in those wheels.
That is just how large-scale agriculture works.
So unless you have some isolated farm where everything's fenced in, and you only have a certain amount of acreage, and that farm feeds you, well, you are karma-free.
And congratulations to you.
You figured out how to do it.
But most of us who buy pasta, if you go and buy bread in the store, you're paying someone who's killed a large amount of living things in order to harvest that grain.
Maybe that's the problem in the first place is nobody is going to have the courage to come into that middle ground and let go of all of their baggage and all of their...
Well, it was when she's pregnant and the doctor's like, alright, so you're 90 pounds and I need you to put on like 20 more pounds really fast and you're not going to do it eating halibut.
I have like a seven-year-old brain, you know, that if I'm not doing a lot of things at once, I just get distracted.
So I just do lots of things at once.
Like having to balance on a ball so I don't smash my face into the desk and knock myself out while I'm reloading ammunition and playing with explosives.
Like that is a perfect recipe for me to be successful at reloading bullets.
Both the Israelis, the British, and the Germans and Americans in the past 20 years have been consistently declassifying documents.
And there were a bunch of specifically FBI documents that we were spending millions and millions of dollars actively searching for Hitler after the war.
Really?
Yeah.
Like millions of dollars.
Hoover was like, no, no, no.
Send more FBI agents to South America, to North Africa, go to the Canary Islands, go to Spain, trying to find out where this guy went.
Yeah.
Tons of real FBI documents with real leads, with real informants, some first eye accounts saying that they...
So anyways, that's the show, is us trying to find out, sift through reality and the fiction of the allure, the mystery of that asshole.
And when they brought it back to Moscow, nobody has ever been able to independently verify who and what this body is.
They let one genetic test occur and the body with the bullet holes that they said was Hitler.
And have said, and that's the narrative, that's the story, that's all the eyewitness accounts that are even in the vicinity of collaborating with each other and corroborating each other's testimony.
Like, the closest version, because none of it seems to be very accurate, is that, okay, here's Hitler's skull, and when they did the genetic testing, it's that of a 35-year-old woman.
So, like, oh, well, this isn't Hitler, but they've said for the past...
First, before we start throwing stones at Russia, let's go back to 1945, April, in Berlin.
You have the Allies coming in, wrecking shop, dropping bombs, blowing everything up they can in every single which way.
You have the Russians coming in from the opposite direction.
They don't even have enough guns to arm all their soldiers.
So if they have 200 guys, or 200,000 guys, they have 100,000 guns.
If the guy in front of you dies, you just pick up his gun.
That's what's happening in April of 1945 in Berlin.
So the noose is tightening.
There is no—I mean, it is chaos, anarchy, pandemonium.
This—I mean, you couldn't—this is hell on Earth, is Berlin, 1945. So I don't know if you could get a real story, a real— The way that we do it now, where we have these forensic experts that come in and document everything, and we look at all the different testimonies and say, this is exactly how...
So that had to be a closed chapter of our history so we could focus our resources and our efforts to what inevitably was going to – I mean, the wall goes up.
So the ones with power that went to South America, I know a bunch of them went to Argentina, but they think they went to Honduras and a few other places.
If you're listening right now, I must warn you not to Google it because it was a torture camp that was started by Joseph Schaefer, a Nazi.
And Joseph Mengele, the doctor of death that escaped trial in Nuremberg and made it on the behest of Peron into Argentina, he set up the hospital at Colonia Dignidad, which was another safe haven for more Nazis in South America.
Golda Meir and Ben-Gurion, the presidents of Israel, they took the gloves off, and they were just sending assassins to try to find these people and kill them.
But what you got in South America were isolated, German-only communities.
You could go into Bariloche, Argentina, and I'd be like, Buenos dias, amigos, and they're like...
If you look at the second generation, there's a bunch of...
So, it was a huge problem for Chile that they tried to hide for years.
And they got so much power from the torturing that they did at Colonia Dignidad on a whole bunch of other high-ranking South American dictators that they are almost untouchable.
And this is...
I mean, you'd blow your mind if you look into this, Joe.
You'd love it.
But...
The second generation, the kids, like the grandkids, sometimes they're even more fanatical than the original generation.
Have you ever seen this?
Where, like, if somebody's away from...
Like, when you travel abroad, man, it's so cool to, like, to get into the culture and get into the food and get into the...
Like, you're dancing this style and you love the flag and you're like, oh, I'm gonna go to a soccer game because we don't go to soccer games in America and then I'm gonna go...
But then maybe after, like, two months, you kind of miss home.
You know, and then, like...
A year, you really miss home.
And then 10 years, you really, really miss home.
And you see the same thing in the United States where it's not really a perfect assimilation.
It's not the melting pot where you see generations that are espousing to be more like their ethnic heritage than they are American.
You know, they're flying the Irish flag and like, I'm Irish.
Well, it's just times a thousand with these communities because they're exclusively German.
The second generations I was talking about, some of them came to the United States and were high-ranking white supremacists that are now in jail, in prison, for their racial crimes.
How many people are we talking about all told in South America that come out of this, I mean, tens of thousands went there, but how many German communities and how big are they?
Yeah, and man, it's weird when you walk into somebody's parlor and it's like you're stepping back in time into Europe.
Like I'm walking in, it's 2017 and I'm walking in Buenos Aires, Argentina into somebody's parlor and all of the tile is European and all the style and all the art is Is very German.
You know, we have like deers and not like red stags.
We're talking German everything.
Things that Hitler loved.
And that's the style and that's everything.
And then they come out and like with white gloves, they're holding their grandfather's memory box.
And inside of it are his war medals from, you know, when he was in the SS or when he was...
The first two seasons, it was really just unraveling the rumors of what happened to Hitler.
The third season was my favorite because I actually got to do real work.
They said, okay...
I got to the second season.
I got to bring in more special forces guys.
A CIA targeter, Nadia, who helped my unit kill Zarqawi in 2006. This is the team that is now looking at real evidence, trying to figure out, okay, how did we find bin Laden?
How did we find Zarkawi?
We looked at their associates and we looked at how they moved.
We looked at how they communicated.
We looked at what routes they were using to get to and from places.
And then we just started tightening the noose.
And that's exactly what we did in this third season.
Was, okay, let's start following the Adolf Eichmanns.
Let's start following the Joseph Mengele's.
And let's start following the Skorzynski's.
Hitler's personal bodyguard that was a colonel in the SS that went on to work for everybody after the war fighting...
I mean, fascists do not like communists.
So this guy was working for everybody to include the CIA fighting fascism in South America, or fighting communism as a fascist in South America in the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
Eyewitness accounts, I saw him get off a boat, I saw him meet here, and if it was just some person saying it, It's almost meaningless.
But if you look at the context of who this person is, the wealth that they have, that they shouldn't have, can you explain how you got so rich in two generations?
You know, like, okay, your grandpa got here from Germany in 1946. That's weird.
And he's on a legitimate visa with an Argentinian passport.
Also weird.
And now he's a war refugee that's now worth millions of dollars.
How does this work?
So...
But people, and then this is the hard part, people want to be connected to significant events.
And especially in small, rural areas of the world.
Developing areas.
Like, they want, there's so little happening, they want to be attached to something massive.
And like, the fact that they saw a U-boat.
Land on this beach and the hatch opened and these cars were sitting there and they were doing Morse code and this guy gets off and he had this little mustache.
You're like, you boats can't beach.
That's not how that works.
But you know what they're trying to do.
They just want to be connected.
And now we're removed 70 to 80 years from the fax.
It has been painful to try to use...
Real science, real investigative tools to try to sift through this lore, you know?
Operation Paperclip was what brought over Werner Von Braun, who was...
When you talk to Jews that were in Berlin during the time that Werner Von Braun was running his rocket program there, he would hang the five slowest Jews in front of the rocket factory in Berlin just to give everybody motivation to work harder.
But I mean, there's German engineering in the 80s is fucking phenomenal.
I mean, if you drove a German car from the 1980s and an American car from the 80s, it's like there's no comparison.
I have a 1991 Porsche, and it's a fucking piece of engineering, man.
It's a marvel of engineering.
I mean, it's not fast like a modern car, but when you compare the build quality and how they constructed it and how it was put together in comparison to...
You know, a fucking Dodge Daytona from 1990. That's a hunk of shit.
So when you're over there in Argentina and you're meeting with these people and you know that they're descendants of Nazis and they bring out this grandfather's chest of things and war medals and all this jazz, like, what is this feeling like?
Do you feel like these people got away with something?
I mean, they kind of did, but these aren't the people that did it.
But they're the descendants of the people that did it, and they're still worshipping those people in some way.
Soul searching, trying to figure out what is the appropriate thing?
What's the appropriate response?
What am I supposed to be feeling right now?
And I think I'm a pretty exposed person.
Like, I'm in tuned with what I feel.
And one of the hardest days, we're in Chile.
And I interviewed this man and this woman.
And...
One of them is a second generation.
She was born on the Colonial Dignidad, on this compound as a Nazi.
Separated from her parents.
She didn't know who her parents was.
No, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
She was brought there at like age three or four.
But she grew up there and they're separated from her parents.
She didn't know who her parents was.
Her husband was a Chilean boy that was local.
And he heard about this new hospital that's built by Dr. Mengele and how everybody has food there.
And he's a porch laying kid, so he was able to get onto the compound.
Well, the locals and the Germans aren't supposed to be together, so he was kind of kept separated.
Well, because he was local, they started testing him and It got really violent and disgusting by the time he's a teenager.
He's being thrown out of windows, having his bones broken, being nursed back to health, being set on fire, being nursed back to health for like 10-15 years.
He finally talks...
What will be his future wife into escaping with him.
And they sneak out in a cheese truck because one of his friends, when he was a Chilean kid, grew up to be a police officer nearby and he was able to get a letter out to them.
Be like, please come help us.
And they came in and do a health inspection and they hopped inside of this cheese truck and they got away.
So I'm talking to this guy and he's telling me...
About the things that happened to him.
And I'm not going to get into it, but they were the most horrible things that could happen to a little boy that you could imagine.
You know, beyond rape, beyond being burnt alive, beyond being broken, for years and years and years.
And I'm shaking, because I, man...
I'm in Afghanistan, and they threw some acid on some kids, and I found those guys, and I killed those guys, because that's what you do when you hurt little kids.
I got a soft spot for people that can't take care of themselves, that can protect themselves.
I think every...
Real human isn't going to let anything weaker than ever get hurt in front of them.
And so I'm shaking listening to this story, you know, and I was like, and I know I have to go back to Colonia Dignidad the next day and put on like I'm a tourist guy hosting a travel show.
And that was our disguise to get in there was like, oh, you know, this is a beautiful Bavarian village.
You can come here.
That was our little way in.
And I was just going to go in and destroy that whole entire place.
That was my plan.
And the guy's looking at me and he's like, I see your anger.
And I was like, yeah, I'm going to go hurt all of them.
He's like, no, no more pain.
And I was like, okay, what's going on?
And he looks at his wife and he goes...
She saved me.
Every time that I was burnt, every time that I was broken, it was just love.
That's how I got out.
That's why we're alive today.
And we're going to die of old age together with the woman that I fell in love with on this colony.
The only thing that matters is love.
And I was like, God damn, I like you, but I still want to go hurt all of those people.
They wanted to understand, I mean, so the same test that Joseph Mengele was doing in Germany in 1943, he's now doing in Chile in 1953. He just has a different population to test.
They're not Jews.
They're Chilean boys.
They're strong and they're wiry and they need less food.
They're not like the amusing quotation marks, the cockroach Jews that you just couldn't kill.
These were young, strong Browns.
These are their words verbatim that I'm using.
It's like, yeah, I want to tear your guys' faces out and stick soldering irons in your ear because you guys are so evil.
But then I'm the same as them, so I was just real torn.
Adolf Eichmann, he got snatched by the Mossad in Argentina.
Skorzynski, he died of old age.
Actually, in the 60s, the Egyptians, when they're...
Trying to build that rocket program to annihilate Israel.
Skorzenci started working for the Mossad, but he didn't really know it, for they were paying him millions and millions of dollars to hold these parties for what he thought was the rise of the Fourth Reich.
I don't like this part because I like just killing bad people.
They figured out that the big problem with...
The delivery system for the Egyptians in their missile program was the navigation system.
And they were trying to hire a whole bunch of these experts to come work for this program.
And they diplomatically kind of went behind the back and they got all of this, really the only experts in the world that prevented them from going and traveling to and work for Egypt.
So they kind of diplomatically ended the development of the delivery system for their warheads.
It's amazing how few people know about the Nazi...
It's amazing how when this comes up, it's relatively unknown.
I mean, your show has done a lot to shed some light on it, and I've read some articles about Nazis that escaped to South America, but it's not common knowledge.
He was a ranger that became a Green Beret that then went to medical school and then came back to special operations for the rest of the war.
And he's our director of training for Sheepdog Response.
He was with me.
He and I both speak Spanish when we were down there.
But they didn't know that he was a doctor.
And they didn't know that we spoke Spanish.
And they didn't know that our translator that looked very Chilean could also speak German.
Perfect German.
She translates for Porsche.
So they thought that they could have all these little conversations with the stupid, hairy-handed Irish guy hosts from the Tourism Channel, and they could get away.
So one of our tour guides was formerly a nurse in the hospital that they closed down, and we stole one of their little ID cards to get into that hospital, and we stole a bunch of documents of them documenting them torturing little kids.
But I'm so embarrassed, I can't remember his name right now because it's right on the tip of my tongue.
Anyways, but that information, they also had.
So not only the information went back to the president that he could use against his rivals, but they also had it.
So, they know all the dirt about everybody.
They know who is having sex with who, who has a kid with who, who went to this prostitute place, who has a deal with the CIA, who's working with the Venezuelans, who's working with the Argentinians.
They have all that dirt because they gave it.
To the president.
They have it too.
So they had been untouchable politically for 30-40 years because they had so much power.
Because they had so much information.
Because they had so much dirt on every single high-ranking person in South America.
But that's 100 people that go to Special Forces Selection.
That 100 that goes, they have to have a GT score.
They have to have scores high enough on the military entrance exams just to be eligible.
They have to have a PT score high enough just to be eligible.
So we can't even get that 100. And then of that 100, only 8 of them are making it.
So we are, this is to answer your question, how am I able to do these things, is I'm in a position where I can say, for the love of God, please get healthy, please walk to your recruiter's office, and please take a test to see if you're eligible, because we are just needing people like we've never needed them before.
I'm not saying it's as easy to get into MIT. Right.
But anybody can go to any college that they want.
Not any college they can get in.
They can go to...
You know, local community college, and then two years there, they can go and get into the next, you know, the state school, and then from there, they can get a...
I mean, anybody can do that.
Right.
Well, you can't go to the military if you smoke weed.
You can't go to the military if you have bad eyes.
You can't go to the military if you're diabetic.
You can't go into the military if you have asthma.
You can go to college if you have all those things.
The rec time, volleyball, but to get onto the varsity football team or the varsity volleyball team or the varsity track team, the number of people in percentage to the...
So if you have a thousand people, you had a hundred of them that were participating in those athletics.
All right, so we had 10%.
That number now is down to like 5% or 6%.
So the overall percentage per capita of the number of people participating in these sports has been consistently decreasing for the past 20 years.
Everybody's been like, go to college, become an academic so you can be this intellectual that can go and do this job and then you graduate from college with a student loan and you have no job to go to.
Where there's this guy that needs welders.
But it's not cool to be a welder.
Don't do that.
Or to be a mechanic.
All these trade jobs that are just begging and pleading for...
They are sometimes physical, but they need people.
But it's not cool to do that.
I want to go to Long Beach State, or I want to go to UCLA, or I want to go hang out with a bunch of hot chicks at LSU. You know, the focus has been wrong for a while.
And that is evident in Special Forces selection when we don't have anybody to pick from.
Let's go to a high school wrestling room and be like, hey fellas.
That's where I heard about it.
When I first heard about Army Special Forces was a guy in a really bad cut suit from probably like JCPenney's or Macy's walked in, you know, and he's like, hey guys, you ever thought about Army Special Forces?
I was like, I don't even know what that is.
Is that like the Navy SEALs?
He's like, yeah, check it out.
And he gave us this crappy car and walked away and I never saw him again.
But that planted that seed.
You know, and then 9-11 happens.
I was like, I know where I'm going.
I'm going to that dude that had that bad suit.
I'm going to find him.
Go work for that guy.
We're talking about my show, Hard to Kill.
It's not just Army Special Forces.
It's Marine Recon.
It's the Navy SEALs.
It's Air Force PJs.
Every special operations that has a selection process, they don't have a population to pick from.
They don't have that body, that pool of qualified applicants to select from.
We're going to have an episode every single season where I'm going to highlight some crazy, badass military job.
Doing things that...
Wait, you're going to jump off a Zodiac a mile from water.
You're going to swim in to walk four miles with a rucksack to then go do a raid on a bomb maker's house hanging off the side of a player with a machine gun.
So it's like freaking awesome, but this is the job.
So let's show them what this job is.
Let's show them how hard it is because it's hard.
This is not easy stuff that these guys do.
And hopefully...
Somebody will be inspired, and somebody will be like, alright, I'm gonna get off the couch.
It's anybody, anywhere that does something necessary for our way of life.
And they die doing their job.
That's the show.
And I'm trying to highlight and I'm trying to pay homage and respect to these people that nobody thinks about or appreciates.
We walk on our Southwest flight and we're like, hey, can I get my beverage service and my peanuts?
Man, but in the 50s and 60s, the average life expectancy of an experimental test pilot was like four years.
You know, you have stories of these SR-71 pilots that are flying at Mach 2 and the whole entire thing just disintegrates around them.
One of the guys is killed instantly.
The other guy starts falling.
I think he's like 30,000 feet in the air, strapped to his chair.
So he can't even use his parachute?
He wakes up, he's blacked out, he can't look out of his visor because his visor's frozen, and he's just in a dead spin, falling at 200 miles an hour, and he lives.
So the air, the friction of the air off of your body makes you stop spinning in circles or tumbling overhead.
And he, because of his center sat...
He naturally had weight on his hips, which dropped his hips down, and then he just kind of stabilized, coincidentally, through his parachute, and then he landed on his wreckage, which was on fire.
I couldn't get the cockpit open because the cockpit had melted closed.
So I just tore the cockpit open.
But we were maybe one or two seconds away from the fire department just descending upon me to save my life and then take me to the hospital.
So the motivation is...
Everybody, I think, takes for granted all of the things that we have in our life, and there are some pretty heroic, courageous people that risk it every single day to do these jobs, to get our food, to get our oil.
Like, that stuff is pumped from the center of the ocean sometimes.
There's a guy diving down, breathing helium and nitrogen at a few hundred feet, messing with gases that if he cuts just one millimeter too deep, he's going to get sucked into the pipe because of the negative pressure.
Guys that are flying a plane, there's no test dummy for flying a plane, right?
Some dude is going to sit inside of a plane sometime and be like...
So that's the whole point, was we wanted to show, and there's hundreds and hundreds of people that do these jobs that we just don't think about.
In the middle of a hurricane, like, how is your power still on?
There's somebody out there trying to fix it.
You're in the middle of a blizzard, and just feet and feet of snow are descending on those power lines, and you think they're just staying up there?
No, man.
There's somebody hanging off the side of that tower that's negative 20 outside, and he's trying to fix that stuff so your heater stays on so you don't freeze.
What I had to do once I got to the iceberg, I had like these tasks that I had to do for them to come and get me.
So once the helicopter went underwater and I had to swim down into the helicopter and the water was 33 degrees, and then I had to swim.
I think it was about a few hundred meters in this 33 degree water.
It was about 30 minutes total time in this 33 degree water.
I... Fortunately, I was able to bounce some ideas off of Kyle Kingsbury and Wynhoff and a bunch of guys from Onnit because they're pretty into that cold weather stuff, cold weather.
So there's a bush pilot, an Alaskan bush pilot, that, you know, they, like, deliver food to these people living out in the middle of nowhere in Alaska.
And he's flying.
An engine stops.
He's like, oh, that sucks.
So in autorotation is they still have a little bit of lift from just the friction of the blades.
So they kind of can control because the blades are still kind of like rudders.
You ever see that video where they took a guy from BBC and they put him in a big giant glass box, like a plexiglass box, and put him out into the Arctic, and the polar bear came up and was trying to bite through the box and figure out how to get him?
Nah, I think we got a bunch of people that the world needs to know about that we take for granted how we get our food, how we get our gas, how we get our...
And not a bull rider, because they're insane, but the bullfighter is the guy that's on the ground, so when the bullfighter gets thrown, he's the bodyguard for the bull rider.
His only job is to take the hit Right.
crush whatever was on its back.
And that's where the bullfighter runs in to save him.
The PBR, the Professional Bullriding Association, those guys are the most selfless, courageous guys trying to protect those bullfighters.
Bullriders.
So I trained for a while and I went to the biggest rodeo in the nation and was bullfighter.
And I mean, this isn't one of those shows where people don't get hurt.
Like you see the inside of my body.
You see people get really, really, really jacked up and go to the hospital.
And like, does he have a punctured lung?
Is that guy going to live?
This is that type of show because there's no other way to do it.
The only thing, the only direction we had from Discovery was don't fake anything.
I'd like to encourage all little boys and girls that follow me on any social media platform to stay in school, become engineers, architects, accountants, or anything that doesn't lead to permanent brain damage or need of an orthopedic surgeon.
It's you, legs up, and a bull launching you through the air.
The thing is, you actually have to sell that body movement.
So your weight has to shift far enough where the bull is going to really believe that you're going to go to that direction.
I wish bulls were so...
I wish they were dumber than they are, because they're not.
Because if you fake them once one direction, they won't take it the next time.
They'll, they'll, you try to fake to the right, they'll already start going running to the left, so then you fake to the right, you go back to the left, and you're like, oh no, I have done, and it's at that moment that Tim realized he had fucked up.
There are some, but I don't even know if we're allowed...
Like I just driving, driving here to your studio, I saw the Girl Scouts office is one block away and your neighbors that have no security cameras right back behind fries with their back door lodged open with, um, like all of that right here.
But more importantly, the Girl Scouts, which isn't even a thing anymore.
Now it's just the Scouts.
There's no Boy Scouts and there's no Girl Scouts.
There's just the Scouts.
And in a week, a half a million members of the Boy Scouts have left because you can't have just Boy Scouts.
And when you're trying to raise men, when you're trying to rear boys and have them becoming men, and you're doing these, you know, you're taking them horseback riding, or you're teaching them knots, or you're, you know, showing them how to set up a tent, or how to purify water.
If there's a girl there, Right.
And while that's good and bad, it's bad if you're trying to have an opportunity to nurture elements that are very beautifully separate, equally for girls.
Like, can we teach Christina that bowling?
Absolutely!
Can we teach her how to ride a horse?
100%.
Take her hunting.
Should we do everything that every one of these boys should be doing?
Yeah, that's why I've always been supportive of all-girl gyms.
I'm like, they should be able to have a fucking gym when no one's trying to bang them.
A hundred percent.
I mean, there's a lot of women that want to be able to go to the gym and not have somebody ogle them and stare at their ass while they're doing squats.
If those were two, so at the end of the, in between the fourth and fifth round, when Raquel Pennington said, I want out, and her team said no, that it would have been different if it was two male fighters.
I think Amanda Nunez was, she was surging, she was destroying her, her nose was shattered, she was getting beaten down, and she didn't have anything left.
You know, Big John McCarthy and I talked about this yesterday, and he feels that his, that the corner did a big disservice to her by letting her take a beating in that fifth round.
That every fight Take something out of you.
And some fights take more out of you.
And there comes a point in time where there's a tipping point fight.
And that that could have been the tipping point round.
That she might not ever be the same again.
And he was saying that, you know, you've got to understand that you only have a certain amount of holes you can punch in your ticket.
And if she, especially when you're talking about someone who's tough...
That's how muscle and that's how a brain works is you damage it and it comes back stronger.
I think that's how the human condition is to a degree.
But the hurry to failure, the rush to failure or...
Yeah, that's how you get better, but I want that point where I'm going to fail to be so unattainable and so hard to reach, where if I ever reach that point of failure, and I mean, every time I go to the gym and I'm training on it, and I want you to come and hang out with us one day if you ever make it back to Austin, and we try and find the quitter in each other every single time that we train.
Every time.
That's what we say.
We even have workouts called Find the Quitter.
And we have guys, professional athletes from all sorts of sports come in and join us.
And they will quit in the middle of one of our strength and conditioning workouts.
And it's because my little group, Shane, Juan, myself...
We are looking for that failure, and it's getting so hard to find.
Just like shooting.
I'm looking for that miss, because that miss is that opportunity that I'm going to get better.
I'm looking at that rep that I just can't get, or that 530 mile one more time, because that's going to be the opportunity for growth.
So I agree with you, but it also has to be hard to reach, because failure should never be easy.
What if, right after you said that, you collapsed and they took you to the hospital and they had to open up your skull to alleviate pressure on your brain because you were bleeding internally and your legs stopped working and you're in a wheelchair like Gerald McClellan trying to relive the past through distant, foggy memories.
And she is the person that was being appointed to lead the CIA. And there was a bunch of people that were saying that she shouldn't be because she advocated torture.
We've actually been talking about this for the past hour and a half.
We've been talking about the slow erosion of the human condition.
Us getting softer and us getting weaker and us nerfing the edges and finding the easy outs and the easy solution.
The conversation of middle ground, finding a way that we can communicate with people and have a discussion.
So we've been having this discussion for the past 90 minutes.
And what I have is a bunch of people that are saying what something is, but they don't know what that is.
Man, I know what torture is.
I've seen it in Africa.
I've seen it in South America.
I've seen it in the Middle East.
I've seen it on almost, I'm pushing 20 trips overseas in a military capacity.
A handful of combat deployments, you know, from looking for poachers, human traffickers, drug cartel, kind of piracy.
The things that I have done, like, you want to talk about knowing intimately what torture is?
I fucking know what torture is.
Pouring water on somebody's face is not torture.
If you starve them, if you beat them, if you isolate them, if they're there for, you know, you're the only getting, yes, we can start adding things onto it.
But the thing that was the most irritating was everybody's just throwing out this, let's talk about morality, and this woman is immoral to be in this position.
I remember people jumping to their deaths on 9-11 because they didn't want to get burnt alive, right?
And then I saw a guy on his knees and have his throat slit open by somebody pulling his hair back and sliding that knife across his throat.
That was one of the guys that she interrogated.
Now, I'm not saying two wrongs made a right, but she interrogated them to get questions out of them to try to save more Americans.
The intent was to try to save more lives.
They say, okay, well, if it's not that bad, Then, why did it work?
And this is why.
This is what nobody understands.
And it's because they can't understand the difference between the easy way and the hard way.
It's because these people that we were waterboarding are cowards.
They were pussies.
They were impotent little bullies their whole entire lives.
If I put you on that waterboard, I could waterboard you for days.
You have your moral convictions and you would never change.
Because you believe in what's right and wrong.
And that's a great and beautiful thing.
They're not you.
They are pieces of shit that throw acid on little girls, that fly planes into buildings because it's capitalist.
That's who these people are, and they're only tough when they're surrounded by 60, 70 other of their friends.
But you take one of them away from that, and you put them in a position where they're powerless, and that's what waterboarding is, they're powerless, and they cave, and they cower in seconds.
I don't need to drive a nail through their hands.
I don't need to pull their teeth out.
I don't need to take a drill bit and drive it through their fingernails.
That's torture.
This is us pouring water on a coward's face and they freak out.
And people can't understand that because they can't understand what these people are.
They're animals.
These aren't beautiful religious people that are trying to do the best thing for the families.
These people were the worst of our kind.
These were the Nazis of the 1940s.
But this is the current version of it.
These radical fanatics that are doing anything for any reason to hurt anybody so they can feel better about themselves.
And you take them out of that power.
You take them out of that control.
You take them out of that opportunity where they can be the bully.
And they're just shadows of themselves.
And then they give you everything that you need.
And what you need is an opportunity to save more lives.
The other side is, if torture works, isn't that the best form of torture?
You're going to be okay.
I mean, if torture does work, and I don't know if torture works, I've never been tortured, I've never been around torture, and I know there's a debate in both ways.
I mean, they called it enhanced interrogation techniques.
If you're trying to get information out of someone that would save American lives, it seems to me, I may be ignorant, but waterboarding seems to me to be one of the most humane ways to do it.
We're questioning, and if you cross that threshold of torture, where you are doing damage, physical damage, where they'll tell you anything, that's not usable information.
Right.
You're gonna say that you've been, you know, dating your producer for, you know, seven years, and secretly, like, I could get you to say anything under the right conditions.
And when we start talking about morality, if they're saying, okay, if this is a moral act, then, okay, does this make me and all of my friends that have done all sorts of, in some cases, terrible things, are we now a moral people?
Because we did it in the interest of protecting our country and serving our country and providing protection for our freedoms.
And I know those are cliche phrases that people grab onto, and I don't want to, but By extension, throwing and lobbing those accusations at her extend to me and to the things that I've done.
And I think I'm a very moral person.
And I try to be...
Good person in every way I can imagine.
I'm not perfect.
I'm not but I try and The politics of Bleeding over and misusing words manipulating everything just so it fits your agenda But nobody's in the middle of ground.
Nobody's agreeing and nobody has the best interest at heart and that's the people like the best interest should always be serving the people and None of them are doing that.
They only care about What is going to get them re-elected?
Or what's going to give them more power?
What's going to give them more clout for the next vote?
What's going to give a little handout from the president?
Whatever games that happen on the beltway, that was an example of that in the most...
Horrible of ways because it came down to human lives.
It came down to somebody that had been serving their country since the 80s in the best way that she knew how, in the ways that were legal for her to do it, and everybody else just manipulating the narrative to fit their agenda.
When I'm just sitting here being like, How about the people and how about freedom?
Who's fighting for us?
Are you guys just going to keep bickering about this?
So me strapping myself to that board, I'll tell you it's harder.
Do what's easy is to lay there strapped and have somebody put water on your face.
Do what's hard?
What I did to Steven Crowder Watch his hands where he'd reach up and pull.
He couldn't take it.
He would pull the rag off his face.
See how many times I pulled the rag off my face?
Not once, right?
Every single time I said, no, no, pour longer.
No, no, use the hose.
Use the bucket.
Right now you're at a two.
I need you at an eight.
No, I need CIA interrogation, friends, right?
And I'm sitting there willingly with my hands, with the sensation of me drowning as that water's running into my sinuses, showing.
That was intentional.
I understand people are like, oh no, he was safe, he wasn't even tied down.
I did that to demonstrate how a man of resolve can do it effortlessly, and how it's not torture.
Because I could willingly lay there with my hands free to pull the rag off at any juncture.
So, him coming from that position and saying that she isn't eligible to serve...
It's a very powerful statement.
I also feel that I'm pretty intimately familiar with torture and that I understand the full spectrum of what somebody can do selflessly for their country and selfishly for their own satisfaction as a psychopath.
Like Zarkawi's enforcer that would go around and kill people in front of their own family members and carried around a battery-powered drill.
I saw that.
We tracked him.
So...
I also know that when she was doing all of these things for her whole entire career, one, you have to look at the context of the time and what was happening.
And when she did every single one of those things, they were authorized techniques.
They were encouraged.
They were successful in some degrees, to some degree.
And so she was trying to do the best that she could with the, in some cases, limitations that she had.
And I think that is a trait that I want in somebody leading the CIA. That is that they're going to do the best that they can with what they have and what they're allowed to do and I like that.
But this isn't someone who's talking about this in the comfort of a boardroom.
This is someone who's dealing with it in a time of war, and you're dealing with some of the most horrible people that we've ever experienced that are making these videos of cutting journalists' heads off and sending them to their families.
I mean, this is really what we were experiencing.
When people were deciding to use these enhanced interrogation techniques, this is what they were up against.
This isn't something you can discuss in a classroom and get a full sense of the tone and what was happening in these people's lives.
When that happened, there were hundreds of other plans to do similar things.
That one was just successful.
They had been trying others, and they have tried others since.
Whether it's a shoe bomb, whether it's a Paris train, whether it's a San Bernardino bombing, whether it's a garbage truck in France.
Or London Bridge.
They have consistently been trying to do that and duplicate and replicate that.
The reason that it hasn't happened again to that scale, to that level, is because of the uncompromising selflessness of heroes trying to protect Americans.
Now, I don't want to go into what is the greater good?
Okay, are we losing morality?
I mean, that's a rabbit hole that we could talk about forever, but Man, I just want to preserve life.
Well, not just that but the concept that the reason why this hasn't happened more often is because of these people doing the hard work Why is that so hard for people to understand and appreciate?
It's the same lack of consideration of what it took for us currently to be safe.
And what it still takes for us to be safe.
That's the departure.
That's the break in the thought process is they just want the easiest way and they don't want to even believe that this hard way is the way that actually has happened.
Do you think that maybe it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world to force people to have some sort of mandatory service, whether it's mandatory service in...
The Coast Guard or whether it's the Peace Corps or whether it's the military, just some service of your country for a predetermined period of time, like they do in Israel, like they do in South Korea, like they do in several other countries.
Yeah, I don't want anybody telling me I have to go do something.
I don't want anybody telling me I have to go serve somewhere.
But I don't think it's the worst option to get people...
If we really hit a pivotal point where people have such a complete lack of appreciation and understanding of what it takes to make the world work correctly...
That might be one of the only viable solutions, is some sort of mandatory service for some agreed-upon period of time.
Everything I've ever wanted has always been, and everything I've ever had, everything I've ever gained, every Bit of who I am has always been on the far side of hard work.
Blaine Armstrong and I were talking and arguing about performance enhancing drugs.
I fought for two world titles and I lost two world titles.
Is he trying to justify his own existence, though?
I mean, what's happening there?
And also, it's a different sport.
You know, it's just a different thing between...
No one gets hurt if you take EPO and you run your bike faster.
No one gets hurt.
If you're on something and it allows you to beat someone's brains in better, and you walk away from a title knowing that you cheated but the guy you beat was natural, that, to a guy like you, is a torture.
You're gonna be in prison the rest of your life with that thought bouncing around in your head.
You look at the transformation between TRT Vitor that knocked out Luke Rockhold with the wheel kick and Michael Bisping and Dan Henderson.
He was a fucking monster.
And then the deflated...
Version of him where his body, his endocrine systems failed, he doesn't produce testosterone anymore, can't take a punch anymore, he doesn't look even remotely similar to what he used to look like.
I mean, this is what you're dealing with, the best of the best, the strongest, most athletic, the ones who can work the hardest.
Those are the ones they wanted.
I mean, that is essentially a big part of the gene pool that is Cuba.
Then you deal with the decades and decades of extremely high-level athletic performance with all these different sports and all these different programs where they develop the very best athletes in their area.
I mean, they just, the wrestlers, the boxers, the judo players.
So when he was going into it, when he got tested, one of the reasons why the whole testosterone placement therapy got eliminated is Vitor got tested randomly and he was off the charts.
To the point, like superhuman levels of testosterone.
They're like, what in the fuck are you doing, man?
Like, you have this massive advantage and massive confidence advantage and just physically looks like a demon, right?
We gotta get you out of here because I know you got a flight to catch.
But I want to tell you, out of all my times of calling fights, one of the most powerful experiences that I ever saw really wasn't even televised.
It was in between you...
You knocking out Sapo in the fight for the troops, and you got on top of the cage, and all the troops were there cheering you on.
This wasn't televised.
Nobody saw this.
But you were pointing at all those people and saying, I love you.
I do this for you.
I love you.
And they were cheering.
And it was a fucking powerful moment, man.
That was a powerful moment to this day.
I think about sometimes because that was a different kind of a fight.
It was a different kind of an audience.
And it was a different kind of a moment.
And when you launched that left hook on him and connected him and stopped him and then jumped up on the cage and did that, that audience, the love they had for you and the love you had for them, it was in the air, man.
I would have Thanos'd myself vaporized and taken every one of my bits and just handed it to everybody there and not existed just so that they could have anything that they wanted.
Because there was just nothing in me that I wanted more than just to give them anything I had.