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April 11, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #1102 - Matt Farah
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matt farah
I got this all day.
joe rogan
I know you do!
Boom.
Live.
Okay, what the fuck were you just telling me?
Hi, Joe.
Hi, Matt Farah.
unidentified
What's happening?
joe rogan
How are you, buddy?
Good to see you again, man.
matt farah
We were just talking about Rolls-Royce.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
Because I was here in your new baller studio, which, congratulations.
joe rogan
Thank you.
matt farah
It's sick.
Admiring your skylights, and we were discussing the Rolls-Royce and the Starfield ceiling they do.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
Which is, they put all these fiber optic lights into your headliner, and it looks like the stars.
And it's, I think it's 15 grand, the option, I think.
joe rogan
It's so badass, though.
matt farah
It's so badass.
It's so badass.
And not only will they do it so you can get your standard star pattern, which is just whatever the guy, just random, right?
Random lights.
Or they'll make you exact constellations, if you prefer.
joe rogan
Right, like if you're one of those astrology people.
matt farah
Yeah.
Or they will make you, you know, the sky directly above your house, if you give them a coordinate.
There's a photo of it.
joe rogan
Look how badass that looks.
matt farah
So badass.
It's like...
It's so awesome.
joe rogan
You're balling so hard when you're driving around with a car with stars in the roof.
matt farah
Well, so the last thing I said before you hit live was that they have just announced they have come out with a shooting star.
unidentified
So I don't know how it works.
matt farah
I'm not sure exactly what.
unidentified
But I guess you can get shooting stars in your ceiling.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
What are they going to do?
Make the whole thing a big LCD pattern or something?
matt farah
Yeah, I guess.
Or I don't know.
I guess you could run an LED or a fiber optic line that works in a...
I emailed, once I got that press release, because I get press releases and I just delete them.
But when I saw Shooting Star Ceiling, I responded, can I have further info and video on this?
And they said they'd get back to me.
joe rogan
I've never even been in one of those things.
matt farah
Never?
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
Oh, you must.
matt farah
You must.
joe rogan
What is it like in there?
matt farah
It's like sailing.
It's like yachting.
joe rogan
Phil Hartman had a really, really old, I think it was an old Bentley.
I mean, like, really old.
matt farah
Like 60s old?
joe rogan
Older than that.
matt farah
Like 30s old?
joe rogan
It was fucking old, man.
I wish I paid attention to cars back then, but back then was when I just started getting on TV. I really didn't...
You know, when I was broke, I always loved cars when I was a kid, but then I was broke, my attitude was like, don't think about some shit you're never going to be able to afford.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So just don't think about it.
matt farah
Look at you now, Joe Rogan.
With all the toys and somewhere to park them.
joe rogan
Somewhere to park them.
But he had this old, baller-looking thing.
It was like something out of Citizen Kane.
matt farah
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Just this incredible boat.
matt farah
Like pontoon fenders, the whole deal?
joe rogan
I think you shifted it on the tree.
matt farah
Probably.
I would say, if I had to guess something baller, I would say Bentley Continental S1. Would be the most likely...
joe rogan
It might have been.
matt farah
...candidate.
It's a stunning automobile.
joe rogan
But he loved that thing.
He would just have this giant smile on his face with that thing.
He was like, this is so ridiculous.
matt farah
I can picture that Phil Hartman smile.
joe rogan
Oh, he loved it, man.
That dude loved some cars.
matt farah
That's great.
Phil Hartman's bit.
Like that?
joe rogan
Something along those lines.
I wish I could remember, because like I said, back then, like if you asked me to, like, there's cars that I don't know shit about, like Rolls Royces or Bentleys, but if you showed me like an old Porsche, I'd be like, oh, that's a 73 Long Nose.
I know that one.
matt farah
Well, we all have our areas of nerddom.
joe rogan
Like muscle cars, I'm a good muscle car guy.
I understand most muscle cars.
I could pick them out in a lineup, but...
matt farah
Well, Bentley and Rolls-Royce are a weird one because they have sort of this intertwined history where they were separate and then they became together and then they became separate again.
So there's a lot of Rolls-Royces and Bentleys that are mostly the same car.
joe rogan
That's like super baller level where you're like, okay, forget about it.
Let's just get a car that makes no sound like you can't hear anything.
matt farah
Rolls-Royces are really amazing cars.
They're so fucking cool, dude.
joe rogan
I can imagine.
matt farah
And even like...
To a lot of car guys, especially, like, you know, you are such, like, a manual transmission, you know, you want your car, I know you, you want your car to be, like, really close to a race car.
joe rogan
I like it being dirty.
I like it being gritty.
Like, I want to feel the rocks as I drive over them.
matt farah
Right, well, you would appreciate a Rolls-Royce's ability to make 100% of that disappear.
You know what I'm saying?
Disappeared entirely.
And there's really neat details.
The word flying or floating or sailing is so true because you don't really drive it.
You just kind of fucking will it down the road.
And you know how your Porsche or a sports car will have the thumb grips on the wheel at 9 and 3?
So Rolls-Royce has thumb grips at 4 and 8. Really?
You drive them underhand.
joe rogan
Gangster.
matt farah
Extremely gangster.
joe rogan
Everybody drives them underhand?
Let me feel this.
matt farah
It's that, yeah.
It's underhand.
joe rogan
Just so relaxed.
matt farah
Because you don't even lift your arms above shoulder height.
And then, you know, your car has a tachometer, right?
It shows you your RPMs as a rough indicator of how much power you're using, right?
Roughly, not exactly, but before people go crazy about the lack of a technical term.
Rolls Royces don't have tachometers.
They have a power reserve gauge.
Which shows you how much power the car has, but that you are not using at any given time.
joe rogan
Whoa.
matt farah
Right?
So if you're coasting along, it's at 100. Going down a hill, maybe.
You're just off the gas, off the brake, coasting.
There you go.
Power reserve.
So, if you're coasting, you are using 0% of your engine.
joe rogan
Right.
matt farah
And the idea is to keep that gauge low, because you want to be able to pass cars and cruise down the road while using, meh, 25% of this car's engine power.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
So pimp!
joe rogan
And they're stupid.
Horsepower, right?
Like, crazy power, right?
matt farah
Like, not like crazy crazy, but like four to five hundred.
So high.
Yes, high.
High horsepower.
joe rogan
High torque.
Isn't that funny that saying that is not that hard for a car of today?
matt farah
Oh, our standards are blown out.
Our standards are the internet has fucked us all up.
joe rogan
I was reading about a new Miata, which, by the way, might be like one of the most underrated cars ever.
matt farah
The new Miata?
It's lovely.
joe rogan
Just any Miatas.
matt farah
Yeah, they're great.
joe rogan
Like, for the bang for the buck, for a fun little car to drive that kind of is real nimble, gets around, they're fucking great.
But it was only like 150 horsepower.
matt farah
Yeah, there it is.
That's the new Miata.
160 horsepower, I think.
joe rogan
That's like...
Like, you hear that and you're like, what?
matt farah
Yeah, but you know there's a company in Colorado called Flying Miata?
You know them, right?
unidentified
Yeah, I've heard of them.
matt farah
You know where I'm going with this.
joe rogan
I've heard of them.
matt farah
Yeah, they put an LS3 in one of these.
So I drove one that has a 575 horsepower LS3, and it's fucking great.
joe rogan
That must be insane.
matt farah
It's great.
You know why?
Because it's got these long legs, you know?
Like, it's a little car, but it's got the Corvette long legs, so your, you know, third gear's good for like 90. Wow.
It's great.
joe rogan
Now, when you drive at a car like that, is the balance fucked up by that engine?
unidentified
No, because...
joe rogan
Is it similar weight?
matt farah
No, it's actually similar weight.
Wow.
I think the LS conversion is like...
I don't want to say exactly, but it's like maybe that's the older car, Jamie, that they do it to a newer one as well.
It's a few extra pounds in the front, but actually they have to use the rear differential from a Camaro.
So a lot of the extra weight goes in the back.
And so the car is maybe a hundred pounds heavier with the V8 in it, but it's four times the power.
joe rogan
What is the weight of a Miata?
matt farah
2350?
joe rogan
That's so light.
matt farah
You see that thing in the picture was called an Exocet.
So that exoskeleton thing that says Flying Miata on it...
Oh, this is an interesting photograph, actually.
Sorry, podcast people.
We've got two vehicles on a track from Flying Miata.
The one in front is an exoskeleton car with really no body work on it at all.
And that's called an Exocet.
And so what is you buy that chassis...
And you buy a Miata, and you take apart the Miata, and you put all the Miata shit on this chassis.
And so you end up with like a 1,200 pound thing.
And you can put turbos, and you can put V8s, and you can do all different kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Is it street legal?
matt farah
Yes, it is.
unidentified
What?
matt farah
Street legal, carb legal.
And then the thing behind it is called a Bauer catfish.
joe rogan
Did you say carb legal, like as far as emissions?
matt farah
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, if you use a carb legal, like the E-Rod engine, like John Ward likes, or the stock Miata engine, for sure, yeah.
If you use a carb legal engine, it's a California legal engine.
joe rogan
That's crazy!
matt farah
I've driven them.
They're fast, but, you know...
Nothing about Exocet's design should be taken from this statement, I don't feel safe in them.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Just because you're just out there in the open.
matt farah
To me, I like having a body around me.
joe rogan
But it's way safer than a motorcycle.
matt farah
True.
But a motorcycle...
I was thinking about this.
A motorcycle offers an experience that cannot be replicated.
joe rogan
Right.
matt farah
And if you are going to take the kind of risks involved in riding a motorcycle, that experience is kind of worth it.
To me, in short bursts.
Whereas, I don't think the experience of driving a car with no body on it...
Is worth you.
joe rogan
I don't think it is either, but fuck, man.
matt farah
Because you can get a lot of awesome car with bodywork.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But it's also like the thrill of the motorcycle.
It's like, it is either you either have it or you don't.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Like, you're either in a convertible or you're on a motorcycle.
matt farah
Yeah.
And the leaning, of course, is really...
joe rogan
And is that thing any more thrilling than a regular convertible, honestly?
I mean, it's faster.
matt farah
It's not faster than all convertibles.
joe rogan
No, but having the no roof and everything.
matt farah
I mean, you definitely feel connected to the elements.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
matt farah
And you can go, because it's so light, you can use a relatively mundane engine and go very, very fast.
joe rogan
I imagine 1,200 pounds is incredible.
matt farah
Yeah, it's nothing.
I mean, it's nothing.
joe rogan
It looks like so much fun.
matt farah
Imagine a Corvette engine in that thing, which you can do.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
matt farah
Yeah.
People are crazy.
I drive some shit that is dangerous.
joe rogan
I know.
Your one-take video series that you do, where people let you drive their fucking crazy hot rods.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Souped-up cars.
unidentified
Like, woo!
matt farah
I've just retired from driving people's personal cars.
joe rogan
You should.
Good for you.
matt farah
I just saw this.
I might go to Reno and drive this.
joe rogan
What the fuck is this?
matt farah
This is these weird software guys built this thing in Reno.
That's called a Teslonda.
That's a...
Did you hear anything?
No, you didn't.
joe rogan
It's electric?
matt farah
That is a Tesla drivetrain in a 1981 Honda.
unidentified
And it weighs 2,200 pounds.
matt farah
And it runs like an 8 second quarter mile.
joe rogan
That is hilarious.
matt farah
Awesome, right?
joe rogan
I just love that there's people like that out there.
matt farah
The nerds are winning.
joe rogan
Oh, they're winning.
100%.
matt farah
Yeah, the Teslonda.
unidentified
Yep.
matt farah
So, you know, weird shit.
But I figured I have rolled the dice, you know?
You gotta know when to walk away, know when to run, know when to count your money.
I think the dealing's done.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
Yeah, good for you.
You made out.
You're one of the rare few that beat Vegas.
matt farah
Right?
I mean, either I decide when to stop, or a lawyer does.
unidentified
Yeah.
You know?
joe rogan
That's so true.
I just...
What we were talking about is just so amazing that the horsepower wars, because of their steady increase every year, you know, you come out with a 2018 Corvette, people expect it to be faster.
matt farah
It's always got to go up.
joe rogan
It's got to be faster than 217. Come on, man.
We got the same thing.
Well, hey, fucking Ford, just put a new engine in the Mustang 350 GT. So there's always something.
Hey, they got the GT500 coming.
Well, shit.
We're going to go up to 900 horsepower.
unidentified
Like...
matt farah
Isn't it crazy that it's just, like, money?
Like, not even a lot of money.
Like, you can get a Hellcat for used Hellcat, like, 45 grand.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
matt farah
Like, 600 bucks a month, 700 bucks a month, and you got 700 horsepower.
joe rogan
You hooked me up with one of those when I was in Denver, when I was filming my Comedy Central special.
I drove a red Hellcat to the mountains.
matt farah
I remember that.
joe rogan
With an astronaut's outfit on.
matt farah
Fast, right?
Dude, they're great.
joe rogan
It's a great car.
matt farah
Now they have a wider, have you seen the wider body work?
joe rogan
I like that.
matt farah
And so it's actually got quite a lot more tire under it.
joe rogan
That's what I had a complaint.
It doesn't have that muscle car ass.
I like a car with a muscle car ass.
unidentified
Now it does.
matt farah
The wide body Hellcat does, yeah.
joe rogan
There's something about those fat tires in the rear, man.
Like, as an old school muscle head dork, that's what you want.
matt farah
I saw, you know, Motorator Matt D'Andrea?
joe rogan
No.
matt farah
He's on Adam Carolla's podcast.
He just posted a picture on Twitter.
He saw your old sick fish spotted somewhere.
joe rogan
That's funny.
matt farah
It was in a bit of a sad state, honestly.
joe rogan
Oh, was it really?
matt farah
Yeah, it was a little tired looking.
joe rogan
Beat up?
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's unfortunate.
matt farah
Yeah.
It was a cool looking car when that thing came out.
joe rogan
Yeah, that football player, Reggie, what's his name?
Reggie Bush.
He bought it.
matt farah
Oh, really?
joe rogan
He bought it off the guy that I sold it to.
matt farah
I think it's been around.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a great looking car.
That year, like all those years, like 70, 71, those second generation Barracudas, that's a special look.
And I think a lot of the Hellcat is in that.
Oh, for sure.
It's the same kind of look.
It's pretty close.
matt farah
It's pretty close, but I really wish it was the same size.
A Hellcat is a 125 or 130% overinflated scale version of that.
Those 70-71 Cudas are the most valuable muscle cars that there are today.
joe rogan
Those Hemi ones, right?
matt farah
Yeah, the Hemi Cudas are the rarest and most valuable of those.
They're the ones that only get over like a million usually.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
For a car that was, what, $30,000 new?
Back in 1970?
matt farah
I think it was $5,000.
joe rogan
Was it?
Was it $5,000?
matt farah
I don't know.
My reverse math doesn't go back that far, really.
joe rogan
Let's take a guess.
Let's take a guess.
matt farah
I think it was like $5,000 to $6,000 wouldn't be out of the question.
joe rogan
For a Hemi-Cuda.
unidentified
All right.
matt farah
For the big motor, let's go with $8,500.
$8,500.
joe rogan
Okay.
You go with $8,500.
What did I say?
$30,000?
I'm going to re-evaluate.
matt farah
I think you need to re-evaluate.
That'll be a 426 Hemi-Cuda.
joe rogan
I'm gonna play a dirty game, Price is Right.
I'm gonna go right above him with 15,000.
matt farah
Is Jamie coming in with a dollar?
Fucking us all up.
Winning the show.
426. 426 Hemi-Cuda.
jamie vernon
Which year?
joe rogan
1970. 70. Yeah, that's the good year.
Well, the two years of my favorite year, 70 and 71. Roughly the same, I think, aren't they?
71's got four headlights.
Oh, look at you, Joe Rogan!
70 also has the smaller grill face, like the teeth are smaller in the front, which is what I had.
I had a 70. Whereas 71 has the full grill face.
It's really more aggressive.
I think 71 might be a little bit better looking, to be honest with you.
matt farah
I can't recall if one year is more valuable than the other.
joe rogan
71, I think, is probably the best looking.
matt farah
Are the results in, Jamie?
jamie vernon
Window sticker?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Original?
Yeah.
unidentified
3433. $3,433.
matt farah
Oh, my God.
Jamie's $1 would have won it.
joe rogan
That's it.
unidentified
That's the car.
matt farah
There it is.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jamie, pull up 1971 Barracuda Nose.
That is, I think, my favorite look in any muscle car is a 1971 Barracuda.
It's just like this aggressive, American-looking grill.
Look at that, son.
I mean, that is about as fucking aggressive as a grill can get.
matt farah
It's got a mouth full of teeth.
joe rogan
It looks like a Barracuda.
matt farah
It really does.
joe rogan
It really does.
They fucking nailed it, man.
matt farah
They were better at actually, I think, naming things what they looked like back then.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that looks good.
matt farah
I do still think the Corvette Stingray looks Stingray-ish.
I think that still works.
joe rogan
A little bit.
matt farah
Still works.
joe rogan
Kind of.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That looks like a fucking Barracuda, though.
matt farah
Yes, it does.
joe rogan
That looks like it's going to get you.
matt farah
I just found a way for you to spend another million dollars, Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
I would never buy one of those.
I don't like...
I'm weird with shit.
I don't like stock old cars.
matt farah
Well, because they drive like garbage?
Could that be why?
joe rogan
Yeah, I have zero interest in them.
matt farah
You got your Vette, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
But that's like a modified Pro Touring chassis and all that stuff, right?
joe rogan
100%, yeah.
And it's got a LS1 in it.
matt farah
Oh, so it drives like a normal car.
unidentified
Supercharged.
joe rogan
Yeah, it drives like a normal car.
matt farah
Have you ever driven a stock one of that year?
joe rogan
No.
matt farah
It's not good.
You're lucky.
joe rogan
There's a guy up the street, he hates me.
Why?
We live in the same block, and he's got an original.
He's one of those original guys.
He drives around with a paperboy hat on, drives around the neighborhood.
unidentified
Oh, no.
matt farah
Does he set up a lawn chair at Cars and Coffee and play fucking sock hop music?
Fuck those people.
joe rogan
Dude, the look he had in his face when I told him that none of it was original except the shell, the outside.
I go, it looks original.
It doesn't have a goddamn thing in it.
The inside, I guess, the shape of the dashboard's original.
matt farah
Fuck him.
joe rogan
Your car.
I was like, look, man, I like them to drive like a car that works good.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, why is it bad to upgrade the brakes?
matt farah
No, it is not.
You're fine.
joe rogan
But this whole thing that it's somehow or another doing a disservice to the vehicle by upgrading the brakes.
matt farah
These people are assholes.
joe rogan
It's not a museum piece, man.
It's an awesome car.
matt farah
If you're going on the lawn at Pebble Beach, you keep it original.
unidentified
Yes.
matt farah
Other than that, I mean, especially, look, you love the depths of the internet.
Look at...
Los Angeles driving circa 1960, and then Los Angeles driving today.
You know, the heat, the traffic.
An old car is not meant to handle that shit.
You want to drive an old car here, you need to upgrade a few things.
Cooling, brakes.
joe rogan
When I find out that a dude just drives an old car, I give him an extra level of respect.
matt farah
You know what he's going through.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Jimmy Smith, my partner in the UFC now, he used to work for Bellator, now he works for the UFC. He drives a 1968 Firebird.
matt farah
Every day?
joe rogan
Stock.
Stock.
Stock seats, stock brakes, everything.
I'm like, whoa.
matt farah
Does he know what he's missing?
Have you let him drive your M5 yet?
joe rogan
He doesn't give a fuck.
He doesn't give a fuck.
He likes old muscle cars.
He likes them the way they are.
He had a Camaro, I think, and I think his Camaro got hit.
By some asshole and totaled it.
So he's like, alright, get another one.
matt farah
There's guys in my hood.
In Venice, where I live, there's a lot of old daily drivers, for sure.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
But I don't know.
I can't do it.
I just don't need that in my life.
joe rogan
It's a different experience.
You've got to realize that you're not going to be able to hit the brakes real good.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's not worth it to me.
matt farah
I like to drive too close to the people in front of me.
joe rogan
Well, even if something steps out in the road, you know?
I mean, how many times have you been driving a deer steps out in front of your car?
unidentified
A bunch.
joe rogan
A bunch.
matt farah
I was driving down the road in a video that's been viewed about three million times and a guy was dragging a log on like a 50-foot chain behind a Ford Explorer.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
matt farah
Back and forth across the road.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
matt farah
It was like the most viewed video on Reddit for 24 hours.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
matt farah
It was crazy, just dragging a log.
Like a log, like, you know, four feet by two feet, giant tree trunk log.
joe rogan
Fucking assholes out there.
unidentified
You can't have shitty suspension, like, woof!
joe rogan
Remember trying to turn one of those cars?
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
It's literally like a boat.
matt farah
Oh my god.
But you know what else is like tires is a big difference too.
Like, you know, old Porsches used to be called widow makers and shit, but you take one of those old 70s turbo Porsches that, you know, there's volumes about how scary they are to drive and you put them on Michelin Pilot Supersports and you're like, oh, You thought 300 horsepower was scary.
That's cute.
joe rogan
Isn't that funny?
They were scared of 300 horsepower.
matt farah
Oh, here's my log video.
Look, wait, watch this.
Boom!
Log!
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
That is so goddamn crazy.
You're sitting there going, what?
matt farah
And I was in a supercharged Lamborghini Huracan making like 900 horsepower.
Look at that.
And look at the road this guy is just free-dragging a fucking log.
joe rogan
That guy does not seem wise.
matt farah
But I totally, I choked.
I mean, I had an opportunity to throw a zinger there at this person, and instead I just talked to myself and drove away.
joe rogan
No, you're better off.
You're not going to fix that guy.
If he's so stupid, he's driving a giant log down a public road.
matt farah
Yeah.
At least 13 feet behind his car.
Look on the other side of the road.
Look at the marks.
Like, the log, actually, as I go up, you can see the mark of dirt, like, moving back and forth across the road.
It was easier to see the other way, I guess, but...
unidentified
God.
Jesus.
matt farah
Don't do that, people.
joe rogan
I mean, I guess he couldn't pick it up.
It looked too big.
unidentified
I don't see how that's an appropriate solution when you can't pick something up.
joe rogan
Why would he be so convinced that the log was going to stay attached to the chain?
matt farah
I don't know.
joe rogan
How much does he know about logs and chains?
matt farah
I mean, he seemed like an advanced chain scientist in the specialty of logs.
joe rogan
Fucking assholes out there, man.
Dragging a log behind a car on a public road.
That's a big-ass log, too.
unidentified
That looks like a four-foot log, right?
joe rogan
That chain is not gonna hold up.
That log's gonna bounce and go through someone's fucking windshield.
God damn, man.
matt farah
God, it wasn't mine.
This is crazy.
joe rogan
Like, look how long it is behind his car.
It's so crazy.
matt farah
And, I mean, not that we need to, like, you know, go back in the video, but see that, like, trail of whatever it leaves on the road there?
Like, that trail, I had noticed starting, like...
A couple, like, half a mile or so before that on the road, and the trail is going back and forth across both lanes of traffic, and there was like a couple little signs down.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not good, too.
I mean, you're making obstacles for people that are driving, especially if you're on a motorcycle.
If you're on a motorcycle and you're coming around there and you hit that dirt...
matt farah
Oh, you're going to kill somebody.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's legit.
Motorcycles don't want sand on the road.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They just don't.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're putting it on the road 100% with that stupid.
matt farah
Mogersiders also don't want to get clotheslined by logs and chains.
joe rogan
Man, my buddy wiping out on a turn on some sand was one of the major reasons why I was taking motorcycle safety classes.
I was trying to get my license, and I was going to get me and a couple of my friends from Fear Factor.
We were going to get a...
We're gonna get motorcycles.
Couple of guys at work there.
And then as things went on, we were like, fuck this.
Two of them went through with it.
Two of us bailed.
matt farah
Alonzo Bowden is all about the bikes.
joe rogan
All about the bikes.
matt farah
Yeah.
And how many bones has he broken?
joe rogan
I don't know.
matt farah
Didn't he have...
He broke his arm on a bike a couple years ago.
joe rogan
I bet he did.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
He doesn't seem to think it's a bad risk.
matt farah
I ride a scooter.
I have a little Yamaha scooter that I ride around Venice and running errands and going to my office and stuff.
Because I can lane split and it really makes my life a lot easier.
But I'm terrified.
I had a motorcycle and I rode it in the canyons maybe four or five times.
I was terrified.
I have no problem pushing a car, you know, a little bit in the canyons, but on a bike, like, that gravel is like, wing!
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's really fun.
I get it, motorcycle people.
I'm not saying you're wrong.
You're just braver than me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Poor dumber.
I've gone through a lot of surgeries.
I know what it's like to rehab from a serious injury.
I'm like, I am just so not into that.
matt farah
Yeah.
I mean, I've had two back surgeries in the same spot, so...
joe rogan
You've had those disectomies, right?
Yeah.
How was that?
Did it work for you?
matt farah
Yeah, yeah.
First one lasted like 11 years, and then my bad decisions led to it being re-injured, and the second surgery's fine.
The best shape now that I've been in like 10 years.
joe rogan
What are you doing?
matt farah
I do seven days a week of cardio.
I built a gym in my house.
I did.
joe rogan
Seven days a week of cardio.
matt farah
Yeah, I got one of those arc trainers.
It's awesome.
joe rogan
Is that like an elliptical machine?
unidentified
It is.
matt farah
It's like the hardest elliptical machine I've ever used.
Really?
I do like 45 minutes a day on that.
joe rogan
I used one of those really recently.
It was great.
matt farah
It's amazing.
joe rogan
I had a prequel one before.
matt farah
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like a hotel.
joe rogan
Pull up a video of that bad boy.
matt farah
It's like a hotel quality deal.
joe rogan
Yeah, so no pounding.
You're getting your cardio in, but your body's not getting beat up.
matt farah
And in 45 minutes, I'll burn, according to the machine, I don't know how accurate these machine counters are, but I'll burn like 850 calories in 45 minutes.
And then I do three days a week of weight training for an hour.
unidentified
Damn!
joe rogan
So you're getting in daily doubles three days a week?
matt farah
Yeah, and I haven't had a cigarette since October 2016. Damn!
There it is, yeah, the arc trainer.
I have the one with the arms.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
The guy behind him's got the arms, it looks like.
matt farah
It's a serious, serious workout, man.
I sweat.
joe rogan
It is a really good workout.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
It really is.
matt farah
And then I do speed back.
I'll do 12 minutes a day on speed back, which I like.
joe rogan
That's how you hurt your arm?
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, we've been talking about tendon issues.
Folks who's never had tendon issues, and I never had them until this elbow.
I mean, I've had it on elbows before, but I did it smart, and I didn't keep working out.
This time I tried to meathead my way through it again.
And it flared up pretty bad to the point where four months later it wasn't healed.
matt farah
It's a slow healing thing, right?
joe rogan
Super slow with tendons.
They don't have any blood supply.
So I got a bunch of shit done.
matt farah
Is that why the platelet-rich plasma works so well?
joe rogan
Yes.
matt farah
Because it just gets it right in there?
joe rogan
It's very effective.
Yeah.
The other thing that I think the most effective is what we were talking about is those TheraBands.
And actually it's the cheapest.
No, that's the twisty blue thing that I use.
It looks like a big Avatar dildo.
And you hold it out in front of you.
I wish I had it with me.
And then you twist it like that.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then I hold it like this and then I let it untwist.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
I just got one.
And then you like...
And when you do the untwisting, it strengthens...
For me, that was my issue.
matt farah
You're on the inside.
I'm on the outside.
So I go the other way.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's another one they'll show.
They have diagrams for different things you could do.
matt farah
It's a big difference.
joe rogan
But it's just those kind of muscles don't get strengthened a lot.
My muscles in my hands are picking things up and I'm doing chin-ups in rows and stuff like that, but I was never doing anything twisty.
So I've started to add that.
matt farah
The amount of driving I do isn't good for me.
joe rogan
Right, for your back?
matt farah
No, for my hands or for anything.
It fucks up my whole body.
joe rogan
Do you put a lumbar pad or anything?
matt farah
No, but most cars I drive have real sporty seats, and a lot of them I'm lucky enough to have adjustable lumbar.
Mercedes right now is killing the seat game.
Mercedes seat game is so fire.
joe rogan
What are they doing?
matt farah
They work with this spinal center in Germany to develop all their high-end seats.
And the seats on the AMG S-Class are so ridiculous.
It's like, they have a simulated hot stone massage function that works.
It's boss as hell.
It's like a nine zone massage seat in the S-Class coupe.
joe rogan
So while you're driving, it gives you a hot stone massage?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is the difference between a hot stone massage and a regular massage?
matt farah
The air pockets that get inflated, like, you know, it's like behind the seat, the leather, there's like these pockets of air, like old Reebok pumps, right, where I will pump them up and inflate them and deflate them in sequence, right, to simulate kneading or whatever it is.
Well, the Mercedes S-Class heats those pockets, so they're actually...
Not with hot air.
There's a thermal thing on the surface.
It's so gangster.
joe rogan
Whoa.
matt farah
It feels like a hot stone massage.
It's awesome.
joe rogan
Damn.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
They took it to the next level.
matt farah
They have.
And in fact, I got the car.
It's like a $225,000 car.
I got it for a week.
I drove it around a road trip, all this.
I ended up writing 2,600 words on the seat.
unidentified
The whole review was just the seat.
joe rogan
The hot still on the side.
matt farah
And it has the fans behind your neck that blow the hot air.
Because it was a convertible.
joe rogan
Oh, you got the convertible?
Yeah.
Goddamn.
matt farah
That's the back seat there, Jamie.
Go for the front seat.
joe rogan
God damn.
matt farah
The front seats are just delightful.
joe rogan
But it is amazing that we are in this time.
matt farah
See look, there's all the zones.
Oh, that's crazy.
Six zones.
joe rogan
It's amazing that we are in this time where the technology has gotten to this level where cars, they're working so hard to improve upon what is already ridiculous.
matt farah
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Especially in terms of performance.
matt farah
Yeah, and have you experienced any of the semi-autonomous stuff yet?
joe rogan
None.
matt farah
I'm surprised as intellectually curious a person.
joe rogan
I'm not interested in cars that drive themselves.
They can go fuck themselves.
matt farah
You're not interested in a brief experience into the world?
joe rogan
I am.
I am interested in that.
matt farah
You should be.
joe rogan
I am, but for the most part...
matt farah
Blow your fucking mind.
joe rogan
Those cars are going to take away our right to drive.
matt farah
Oh, that's...
Well, you should join the Human Driving Association.
Alex, this is real.
We're starting a lobbying association for the rights of human drivers.
You should.
It sounds like a fucking goof right now.
joe rogan
It doesn't to me.
It doesn't to me.
matt farah
Because what you don't want to ever have is a situation where you summon your autonomous pod and you say, take me to wherever, and it goes, no, Joe.
We're not going there today because of some political situation.
joe rogan
The government tells you.
The war on driving is here.
Pick your side.
Oh, my God.
What the fuck, man?
matt farah
And is that an RS America on the left there?
I think it's a sign.
joe rogan
I think that is.
It might be an older car by the bumper.
matt farah
It's a Carrera Whale Tail, like my 911. Yeah.
joe rogan
What year is your 911?
matt farah
It's an 87. That's a good year.
We're doing a safari build.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
So you're making it like one of those off-road Porsches?
Rally car.
A rally car?
matt farah
Yeah, it's called the Keen Project.
My friend Lee Keen is a Porsche racing driver, and he built one for himself.
And it is the most glorious thing I've ever driven.
Everything that you love about a 911 applies to this on loose surface.
There it is.
joe rogan
That's your car?
matt farah
That's not my car.
My car is going to look like that, although it will be a different color and have a roof rack, and it'll be slightly different.
joe rogan
That thing's crazy.
matt farah
That actually is a Richard Tuttle build from England.
If you look up Keen Safari, K-E-E-N, and you'll see closer to mine.
joe rogan
Tuttle's the guy that made that crazy green car.
matt farah
Oh, this is my video of driving Lee's car.
And it is...
See, look, I was fatter there.
So it's just drifty woods oversteer, and you know that rear engine kind of snapback thing that everyone's all afraid of in 911s, the pendulum thing?
Well, you get that when you slide, and then it catches and comes back.
On a loose surface, there's no catch.
So you slide it, but you don't have the scary snapback.
It just drifts and comes back and drifts.
You know, there's Lee.
He's building the thing.
joe rogan
So it's probably really good to have a rear engine bias.
matt farah
It is brilliant.
It is the most controllable, delightful.
And you've got four inches of extra suspension travel.
So LA, speed bumps, ruts.
Think about this in Los Angeles, right?
joe rogan
So you're going to drive this rally car around LA? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
matt farah
It's not a race car, it's a street car.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
It's a street car, yeah.
And then, you know...
joe rogan
That looks like so much fun, driving that in the dirt.
matt farah
Oh my god, we have so much desert here.
No one cares.
unidentified
That's right.
matt farah
You go out to Mirage, there's trails, there's no speed limits, nobody gives a shit.
joe rogan
I gotta be honest, there's two videos that made me get really interested in older Porsches.
One of them was the Chris Harris build with the Tuttle, and the other one was you driving that Project Nasty car.
matt farah
Joey Sealy.
He's a local as well.
joe rogan
Dude, that car.
I was like, oh, that's it.
That's it.
Just like, get it down to the raw dog.
matt farah
Yeah, he took everything out of that car.
And Richard Tuttle, who did Chris's car in England, is like the rally master.
There's Project Nasty.
And there's Joey, who built it.
joe rogan
And he also, I love the little things he did like make the exhaust come through the rear bumper and those funky wheels on it and the fact there's no carpeting at all.
Like everything inside was stripped away.
matt farah
His Instagram is Emotion Engineering and that car has been through a few changes since this video was made.
It looks a little different now.
joe rogan
He changed the wheels, right?
matt farah
Different wheels, different like There's a bunch of different stuff, but it's amazing.
And that guy, he used to be a part of this business, BBI Autosport.
He left to go start his own business, Emotion Engineering, and he is a master of chassis setup.
joe rogan
Yeah, I believe it.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a very, very impressive video.
It's a very interesting video.
And that's not like the highest horsepower vehicle, right?
matt farah
No, it was really light, though.
joe rogan
How many horsepower did it have?
matt farah
If I remember, maybe 375, 380. I mean, it was fast.
It was not a slouch at all.
But, you know, have you seen what Singer is doing now with this air-cooled engine?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
Well, you sent me that whole thing of the price difference between a 911 engine, air-cooled engine that's got 200 horsepower versus one that's got 500 horsepower.
And you're like, wow!
matt farah
Yeah, the exponential curve of Porsche horsepower costs is really scary stuff.
joe rogan
The highest end was $250,000?
matt farah
Yeah, so it was like, okay, to buy an engine, just an engine on a stand, you want that engine, this is a Porsche air-cooled, so a Porsche engine for a Porsche that is earlier than 1995. 300 horsepower is going to run you about $40,000.
And that's a ton of money for not a lot of horsepower.
400 horsepower will run you about $100,000.
I mean, that's an engine on a stand, nothing else.
You want 500 horsepower out of that motor, it's $250,000.
joe rogan
Just for the engine?
matt farah
Just for the engine.
joe rogan
Why is that?
Because that sounds so crazy in comparison to other cars out there.
matt farah
Because a lot of techniques that you would use to make horsepower in other cars, you cannot apply to a Porsche engine.
You're limited on displacement size, so it's not like you could shove a 9-liter V8 in there.
A 4.2 is about as big displacement as you can get.
In that case.
And that's with like a stroker crank and bored out, so you're increasing both the length the pistons move and the size of the hole.
To get to the 500 horsepower mark, you have to run some highly experimental cylinder heads.
And Singer, to do that, I don't know if Chris has been on the show recently, but he's working with Singer to develop...
There's a company called Williams that is a Formula One team.
They are developing the cylinder heads for Singer.
joe rogan
So Chris Harris is a part of this as well?
matt farah
He's doing development driving for them.
joe rogan
Oh, that's great.
matt farah
Which is a good decision, right?
joe rogan
Oh, that's an amazing decision.
Plus, the videos will be epic.
matt farah
Right, so most of...
They're doing a four-valve air-cooled head, which, as far as I know, has never been done before.
All your engine, my engine, all the...
are two-valve engines, and they're doing a four-valve engine.
So...
joe rogan
It's gonna cost a million and a half dollars for the car.
matt farah
Well, the engine is 250 grand.
This is why, yes, yeah.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
matt farah
Yeah, custom cars are a million dollars now.
Isn't that nuts?
I mean, if you really want something next level, it can easily be a million dollars.
joe rogan
Jamie, pull up that new Singer 911. Yeah, Singer 911 with the Williams engine.
It's green.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's got a lot of that...
Who's the Japanese gentleman who takes those Porsches and stretches them out?
RWB. RWB, yeah.
It's got a lot of that to it.
matt farah
Well, so RWB is really interesting, because in Japan, there's the singer.
joe rogan
Don't you think that's a goddamn gorgeous car?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But don't you think it's an odd choice to artificially...
Stop, please.
Oh, look how sexy that is.
To artificially differentiate, like the way he's got the fender flares.
He's making them like you had to glue them on.
But the whole car is carbon fiber.
So if the whole car is carbon fiber, why did they fake like they had extensions on the wheel wells?
matt farah
Okay, so I don't want to disappoint you, but that is a rendering and not a picture of an actual car.
As far as I know, the actual car does not exist.
joe rogan
That's so good!
matt farah
And I think, if I had to guess, they put those over fender lines on the rendering so you would specifically notice that they have widened it.
And if I had to guess, the final car may not actually have a seam there.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
I'm not mad if it does.
It looks amazing.
Jamie, can you make that bigger again?
matt farah
But that looks so real.
joe rogan
That's crazy that that's not a photograph.
Does that look like a render to you, Jamie?
matt farah
I'm almost certain that's not a real car.
I'm almost certain it's not a real car.
jamie vernon
The tire looks a little...
joe rogan
The tire looks fake?
matt farah
I could be wrong.
There could be someone screaming at their whatever right now saying I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure...
joe rogan
There's reflections in the windows of a building that's outside.
matt farah
Have you played fucking Forza in the last three years?
They're good at this, dude.
Play a video game.
joe rogan
I absolutely believe it.
I'm not arguing against it.
I'm just saying it's so good.
But anyway, if they'd make a car like that, holy shit, that's a gorgeous car.
matt farah
Oh, yeah.
And they will.
And it'll look like that, but it may not have those seams.
joe rogan
It's pretty similar to what their car looks like.
unidentified
But wider.
joe rogan
It's not much different other than the wider.
I saw one of those.
It might have been the best looking car I've ever seen in my life.
It was a silver.
Like a metallic silver.
Like a bright silver Singer.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it was online.
Understated.
matt farah
Glorious.
joe rogan
God damn.
See if you find that.
Bright silver Singer.
matt farah
Have you seen one in person before?
Up close?
joe rogan
Never.
matt farah
Dude, your mind would be blown.
They have, at a minimum, $45,000 or $50,000 of leather in one of those cars.
The leather work in the interior of those cars is unbelievable.
It's beyond anything from any manufacturer today.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Really?
Yeah, that's it.
matt farah
That's a sexy motherfucker right there.
joe rogan
Goddamn, that's a good-looking car.
unidentified
Yep.
matt farah
That's very, very nice.
joe rogan
What is it about certain shapes, right?
matt farah
Well, what Singer does is they distill, you know, the best of each generation of car into one car.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
And so you're looking at a highly idealized 911, but you can't exactly picture what came from where and why.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
It's gangster.
joe rogan
And those Fooks, those wheels, for whatever reason, they just work.
Especially that green car.
Go back to that green car.
matt farah
They made them real big on the green car, but the design works so well.
There's the Williams engine.
joe rogan
Goddamn!
That looks good.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that's perfect.
matt farah
So scroll down, Jamie.
The Williams...
Look at this.
So you see?
Look at the air intakes.
That's where your rear windows would be.
So there are no rear windows.
There are only those air intakes that go directly into the engine.
joe rogan
To cool that furnace off.
matt farah
No, not cooling.
That's the actual air intake to get into the combustion chamber.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The cooling, it's air-cooled, so you see that silver kind of nipple on the right side there?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
matt farah
That's the center of the fan.
It gets cooled in from the back there.
joe rogan
Now, like, this is basically the same size as a regular inline six?
unidentified
Flat six.
matt farah
Or straight flat six?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Roughly, the engine itself is roughly the same size, yeah.
joe rogan
So what they've done is just engineer it to the max.
matt farah
Oh, yeah.
Well, they have what are, in theory, are the most advanced cylinder heads ever put onto an air-cooled 911. That looks incredible.
joe rogan
And they're going to stick that in a car that was originally, what, 93?
Something like that?
matt farah
Yeah, something like that.
Yeah, 91 to 94. God.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny, though, that there's something unbelievably appealing about those air-cooled cars that is willing to have these rich people pay a million dollars, or at least the current thing is a half million dollars for this car, just because you feel it more.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you drive it, it's just got a feel to it.
matt farah
There's a certain kind of mechanical brilliance to it that's really, really, It's incomparable, really.
It's very unique.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, there's something about those old cars, particularly the ones that don't have power steering.
You get a thrill out of them.
There's a weird thrill, even when you're not even driving fast.
matt farah
Especially with a Porsche, when you have no power steering combined with front engine car, it sucks.
No power steering when the engine's in the back is okay, because the front of the car is pretty light, so you don't need too much muscle.
But the 911 steering is just super, super direct.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's super direct, and it's just, I don't know, man.
It just feels like a different thing you're doing.
I had a buddy that had a Volkswagen Bug growing up.
Didn't have a lot of power in it, but those Volkswagen bugs, those fucking things, like when you drive them around, they give you a little smile on your face.
Because you're driving like this little tiny thing that feels completely connected with the road.
It's not very capable.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
But it's like you're smiling when you drive one of those.
It's like you're in a little ride.
matt farah
The ultimate Volkswagen is they're taking, in Germany, they take the buses, the micro buses, and they chop them down so they're compressed, and they put full Porsche floor pan drive train.
And so, remember that 996 turbo you had?
The all-wheel drive?
So they'll put that whole floor pan on a micro bus, and they'll go to track days and beat up on race cars.
It's crazy.
There, look.
Seriously, look.
Here's one.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
matt farah
Look, 530 horsepower Porsche 993 bi-turbo powered Volkswagen microbus.
That is so crazy.
Look at the rear window.
See the intake on the rear window there?
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
matt farah
And that's on a racetrack.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
And it probably weighs nothing, right?
matt farah
Nothing.
And I mean, look what happens.
God forbid you crash one of those.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah, there's crazy people out there.
I saw them taking VW bugs and put Porsche engines in them.
I know they've been doing that.
matt farah
Yeah, well, the common one is the old 356 engines.
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I think someone was putting an older 911 engine in it.
Or a 912 engine.
matt farah
912 engine.
Yeah, yeah.
The four-cylinder.
Four-cylinder, yeah.
912s are...
People are paying way too much money for them.
joe rogan
Really?
matt farah
Stop it.
Yeah, they're like 30-40 thousand dollars.
joe rogan
Really?
matt farah
They're so slow.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a slow-ass car, right?
They're so slow, yeah.
Yeah.
matt farah
You need to have, like, I get that it's about feel, and yeah, 912s have feel, but at a certain point, there has to be some pace associated with your sports car.
joe rogan
Now, when they made those cars, it was the same shell on the outside as a 911?
matt farah
Yeah, yeah, they just, like, decontented it, you know, cheapened everything, and then put the old engine in it.
joe rogan
And like put a crazy 993 engine in it and do all the suspension, it would still be a 912. Isn't that weird?
matt farah
There's people that convert 912s sort of into 911s all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, but people know.
matt farah
Yeah, all the people who care know.
joe rogan
But that's what's so crazy about it, is that essentially it's the same good stuff as a 911, what it looks like on the outside.
matt farah
But do the numbers match?
That's the thing.
joe rogan
But isn't it weird?
matt farah
The difference with Porsche people, I mean, the difference between $40,000 and $400,000 will be the most minute, insignificant bullshit.
Oh, this one was delivered with, you know, leather-covered vents and a leather-covered fuse box and a fucking fuchsia steering wheel, and it had the lightweight glass.
So that one's $400,000 and that one's $40,000.
I mean, that's really what it is.
It's the only...
Muscle cars, you know, same thing.
unidentified
This was one of four delivered in plum crazy and an automatic transmission on a Tuesday with a white roof and a cum stain in the backseat from the factory.
joe rogan
I love those auctions where you see the greed in people's eyes just going off.
matt farah
The funny thing is when people get in a bidding war and overpay for something by 40 grand and still feel like they won.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They feel like they scored.
unidentified
I don't give a...
joe rogan
As long as that motherfucker didn't get it.
matt farah
I went to Barrett-Jackson for the first time ever this year.
I had to see it in person.
It's a shit show.
joe rogan
Is it?
matt farah
It's an absolute shit show.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's crazy.
And, you know, it's in Scottsdale.
But Barrett-Jackson itself, what they don't show you on TV, is that you can buy anything there.
Like, you can buy...
They had...
Jet turbine-powered fan boats that you could buy.
It's like the auction, and then a mile of swap-meaty shit.
And you could buy custom-made cowboy boots, and Tempur-Pedic beds, and home furnishings, and terrible art, and watches, and massage chairs.
Anything you could think of.
unidentified
It was just such a...
matt farah
Like, sea of commerce.
joe rogan
Damn.
matt farah
And there's, like, a lot of cars that don't make TV that are either amazing or very, very sad in their own way.
joe rogan
What do you have to do to get in there?
Is there, like, a qualification thing?
matt farah
To just walk in?
joe rogan
No, to set a car in there.
matt farah
Oh, you just go on their website and apply to sell a car.
I think...
I think they're happy to take your money and try and sell your car.
I don't think there's any restrictions.
joe rogan
So what would stop a guy like Eric Andre from going there with a Pinto?
matt farah
I mean, I don't know.
I don't think anything other than someone figuring out the joke before he did it, but I don't think much.
I think he could probably do it.
joe rogan
But for the most part, it's people that are pretty serious about cars.
matt farah
It was a lot of dealers.
It was a lot more dealers that seemed like they were selling to each other in terms of the actual buying and the selling.
But yeah, I mean, there's a lot of NASCAR jackets out there.
A lot of NASCAR jackets.
And then you see they have some of the higher-end auctions, too, which sort of resemble the Pebble Beachy ones.
joe rogan
Do you still have that crazy Corvette?
matt farah
Sold it.
I have a crazy Mustang now.
joe rogan
What'd you get?
matt farah
It's a Fox Body.
It's on the cover of Car Craft this month.
And it's in Speed Hunters as well.
It did a great article in it in Speed Hunters.
joe rogan
That is a ridiculous car.
matt farah
It's awesome.
I heard Rutledge on your show and you guys were shitting on Fox Bodies.
You or him called it like the worst piece of shit ever.
Fuck you, Rut.
joe rogan
Why'd you decide to soup up that car?
matt farah
Because it was a car I wanted in high school but couldn't have.
It's the high school reliving car.
joe rogan
Oh, well, over the top.
Imagine pulling up to high school with that thing.
If you go back in a time machine.
matt farah
Bro, I went to my actual 10-year high school reunion in an orange Lamborghini as a goof, and there was literally not a single soul outside when I parked it up front.
Zero people saw it.
Arrival.
It couldn't have been more wasted.
joe rogan
Shit.
Isn't that funny?
That's what you want in a car like that.
It's like 80% arrival.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
100% arrival.
joe rogan
100%.
Pulling up and getting out.
matt farah
If they see the Lamborghini...
There's my Mustang.
If you see the Lamborghini on the way out of the reunion, it's really lame.
joe rogan
It just was not the best looking year.
matt farah
No, look.
I have the Notchback.
And the Notchback is better.
Mine was a police car.
joe rogan
Was it?
matt farah
Yeah, it was a highway patrol car.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
See, that's the notch back there.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
It was cheaper to get those.
joe rogan
I remember you could get the 5.0 engine with that.
matt farah
Right, in the lat.
And the point of that is the police cars were the lightest ones.
So no air conditioning, no sunroof, no fog lights, no power windows, no power door locks.
joe rogan
Really?
matt farah
That was the lightest V8-powered Mustang ever made.
Look at my interior.
That's legit!
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
I love crazy fabrics so much.
joe rogan
That interior is badass.
matt farah
It's Cholo fantastic.
joe rogan
I actually like it.
I thought I would hate that.
matt farah
No, it's like 70s outdoor patio furniture.
joe rogan
Keep that image back up there, Jamie.
I like the...
matt farah
We're getting Joe an interior today.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I could never go like that.
Just leave that there.
The gauges, man.
Everything you did there.
matt farah
Porsche-style steering wheel.
I love it.
unidentified
Protopo.
joe rogan
I love that.
I love the shifters.
Is that a Hurst?
matt farah
Yeah, a Hurst shifter.
And then the center tray in between the Recaro seats is from a 73 Mercedes 280. Wow.
And then the pattern came from Modern Fabrics, and it's like an outdoor patio furniture fabric.
So it's like UV-resistant and spill-resistant.
joe rogan
What are those wheels?
Jamie, click on those wheels on the right-hand side.
matt farah
What are the wheels?
I have a, it's called, they're a HRE RS 105s, which is a three-piece forged wheel.
And I'm running 295 tires at all four corners.
So they're 18 by 10 and a half at all four corners.
They're awesome wheels.
joe rogan
That must handle amazing.
matt farah
Oh, it sticks so...
It sticks like a GT3. It turns in so hard.
And I'm running...
The tires are Sport Cup 2s, which are like the GT3 tires.
joe rogan
And what does this car weigh, you think?
matt farah
3110 wet.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
So it's pretty good.
It's got really good brakes, really good handling.
It's medium fast.
It's about 350 horsepower, so it's quick enough.
joe rogan
Are you going to leave the engine the way it is?
matt farah
Well, it has a crate motor in it.
unidentified
Right.
matt farah
Which it could use some more.
It could use a little more.
And so if I keep the car long term, I'm gonna take out that engine and put in the GT350 engine.
If I keep the car long term.
How many horsepower is a GT3? 525. But it revs to 8200. That's what it's really about.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, I heard one of those in a video.
matt farah
It's the greatest.
joe rogan
I was like, that doesn't sound anything like a Mustang.
matt farah
It doesn't.
It sounds like something more Italian, almost.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was going to say like a Ferrari, almost.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
Well, they do a different firing order, and they also...
I think it's...
Someone's going to harry me if that's wrong.
But the flat plane crank changes the sound.
joe rogan
GT350 exhaust.
2018 GT350. It's pretty glorious.
Yeah.
Well, I'm terrified that they're going to come out with that GT500 and I'm going to fall in love.
matt farah
It could happen.
unidentified
I'm going to fall in love.
matt farah
It could happen.
It has a very, uh...
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that sounds amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
I think you have one of my videos open in the background, Jamie, because I'm hearing double.
joe rogan
God damn it, Jamie.
You son of a bitch.
matt farah
Listen, but...
joe rogan
Look at that.
Oh, that sounds so good.
matt farah
Yeah, it's very unlike anything else on the road.
Very distinctive.
So that's one of the most special engines.
joe rogan
How happy is that car?
matt farah
3700 pounds.
They're all heavy.
joe rogan
Why can't anybody figure that out?
matt farah
Because people want features.
People want features.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Everybody, though.
Some people don't want that.
That's why people like you and I are so fascinated by something like Singer.
We don't want to spend that kind of money.
matt farah
You can't have light and cheap and fast.
You gotta pick one.
If you want light and cheap, it's your Miata.
You know?
You can't have a...
If they had a 3,000 pound Mustang that had the features that people demand from a modern car, it would be $200,000.
You'd have a Ferrari, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, but even Ferraris aren't that light anymore.
matt farah
That's true.
That's true.
joe rogan
What is the lightest thing you could buy?
Like a Porsche Boxster?
matt farah
There's the Lotus Evora.
Evora 410 is under 3,000 pounds, I think, which is a really, really, really, really nice car.
joe rogan
I drove that little one, the little Lotus.
matt farah
The Exige?
joe rogan
Yeah, I drove that a few years back.
matt farah
The Evora doesn't beat you up like that does.
joe rogan
It didn't have any horsepower, though.
matt farah
The Evora 410 has a lot.
joe rogan
The other one.
No, not the Evora.
The Exige.
The one where it doesn't have any floor panels, doesn't have anything.
I was like, this is kind of interesting.
Because it's like a little go-kart.
matt farah
That's Lotus's thing, yeah.
So that's what I drove.
That's the Evora Sport 410. I just drove that, and it's really, really good.
Yeah, it's really nice.
joe rogan
And that's also a manual transmission.
matt farah
It is, yeah.
It's a supercharged Camry engine, believe it or not.
unidentified
Really?
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many horsepower?
410. Supercharged Camry engine.
That's a beautiful car, man.
matt farah
It's really good looking, and it's got a titanium exhaust.
joe rogan
God, that's so unique.
matt farah
You know, in a sea of 911s, it does stand out.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
You would like that car, I think.
joe rogan
God damn it.
matt farah
That would be a good one for you.
Like you need another one.
joe rogan
That's a pretty car too, but that's the other one.
matt farah
That's the lease, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, the lease is the one that I drove, that gray one that you just clicked on, Jamie.
I drove that.
That's a beautiful looking car, but it's got no balls.
matt farah
No.
joe rogan
I was so stunned.
I was like, this is crazy how slow this is.
matt farah
You might have driven the smaller engine one.
They made some that were a little faster.
Really?
Yeah, the base one was like 180 horsepower, and then they go up to 260 or 280. But there's something thrilling about it.
Oh, it's like driving a flea.
joe rogan
Yeah.
How much does that thing weigh, you think?
matt farah
2,500 or something.
It's light.
It's very light.
Yeah, it's nothing.
joe rogan
And it's beautiful.
They just make beautiful cars.
matt farah
Those Lotuses are...
They will be $30,000 used cars until the end of time.
The release.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
It's absolutely bottomed out at 30 grand, and you can buy them and sell them at 30 grand all day.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny how cars were worth almost nothing and then like a 73 RS America.
It wasn't an RS America.
No, just an RS. An RS. 73 RS is worth like a million dollars now.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
It used to be worth $20,000 just a few years ago.
Like how did that happen?
I remember I saw those for sale.
And someone was saying, this is the perfect Porsche.
It's not the most powerful.
It's only like 225 horsepower or something like that.
But it's so light and so fun to drive.
And I was like, get the fuck out of here with 225 horsepower.
matt farah
Well, it's like, you know, the world has become more...
Automated, right?
Everything is faster, more efficient, but less involved and less mechanical.
And at the same time, you've got, especially with Porsche, a younger audience, a very wealthy audience that has really decided to use the older collector cars as a currency that you can drive and investments.
There's a lot of rich people out there right now.
joe rogan
And they're not making any more 1973, 9-11s.
That's one of the things that people have a real problem with Singer, is they're taking those cars and they're chopping them the fuck up.
They're taking a 964 and just...
Chopping the shit out of that bitch!
matt farah
Yeah, they're taking a $100,000 car and turning it into a $500,000 car that if you can get on the list and get one and you take it home, it's immediately worth $700,000 on the open market.
joe rogan
I bet, right?
Because people don't want to wait a year.
matt farah
The flipper market for a singer, it's like, name your price.
Name your price.
joe rogan
If you wanted to get a singer made, how many years is even his waiting list?
unidentified
Pfft!
matt farah
Two years, three years?
joe rogan
So two years, three years for waiting less than a year to make the car.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're making it by hand with carbon fiber.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
I've seen the videos of people visiting the factory.
matt farah
It's not far from here.
You should go.
joe rogan
I should go, but I'm scared.
I don't want to go in there.
matt farah
I'll introduce you.
joe rogan
Don't do it.
Don't do it.
I'll start doing numbers in my head.
matt farah
And then there's a whole cut.
Singer, I think, not to dwell on Singer so much, but they opened the door for a...
A sub-industry below them that's doing $200,000, you know, builds that are like halfway to Singer.
joe rogan
For most people, that's probably like, yeah, that's what I'm looking for.
matt farah
For most people, that's really fucking excessive.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Most people.
matt farah
I bought, you know, I'm doing this Safari thing, but I bought my 87 Carrera and it's stock, and I almost didn't want to start modifying it because it was just such a nice thing to drive around.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
It was just lovely.
joe rogan
Well, that's recent enough to...
Where they have good brakes, and it's a super light car.
matt farah
80s is good.
I think what's great, there's a series of shows now called Radwood.
joe rogan
Radwood?
matt farah
Yeah, it's a car show for 80s and 90s cars.
It's fucking great, dude.
It's great, because these are cars you can drive.
They have air conditioning, they have reasonably modern whatever.
You could just start them up and drive them.
Dude, it's like...
Old 80s Benz's and just this great, great scene of 80s and 90s cars at Radwin.
They've got a bunch of shows around, come out and say hi, I met a bunch of them.
But, you know, people like my age, I'm 36, are seeing these cars as collectible now, and it's going to usher in a new market.
Dude, there's a lot of good investments to be made in 80s and 90s cars right now.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
Yeah.
You know what I have?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
These are good-looking cars.
matt farah
Dude, this is like an 86 Acura Legend that looks mint.
joe rogan
A buddy of mine had an Acura Legend just like that.
He loved that thing.
jamie vernon
My first car was an 87. Was it an 87 Legend?
matt farah
That's a great car.
joe rogan
You know, one car that I had that I wish I didn't get rid of?
matt farah
Look at that Prelude.
It's so clean.
joe rogan
I had the last year of the NSX. Oh, really?
matt farah
The 02?
joe rogan
Yeah, with the headlights fixed, the fixed headlights.
matt farah
You shouldn't have gotten rid of it.
joe rogan
Shouldn't have gotten rid of it.
matt farah
It's a big dollar car right now.
It's a hot item.
joe rogan
I loved it.
I loved it, too.
That was a light-ass car.
I don't know what those things weighed.
matt farah
28, 29. I'll tell you what, if you like that car, that Lotus 410 I just showed you, you would love that.
joe rogan
Really?
matt farah
That is the new version of that car.
joe rogan
Really?
matt farah
Yep.
joe rogan
I don't know if I want the new version, though.
I think I like the old version.
That's the thing.
matt farah
No, no, the new version feels like the old version, but with, like, Bluetooth.
joe rogan
Oh, with Bluetooth.
Yeah.
matt farah
And your basics.
There it is.
joe rogan
Right there.
Fuck, that was a great car.
So light.
matt farah
They're very, and they're durable.
You can drive them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
People put miles on them.
unidentified
It's a Honda.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, how did they figure it out so much better than the Americans did when it came to reliability?
matt farah
Well, they just built a light car and then put their Accord engine in it, pretty much.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I mean all their cars.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
I mean, you go through across the board.
We were talking earlier about Land Cruisers.
That's like got to be one of the most reliable cars in the history of the free world.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why the fuck are they so good at that and most companies, like American companies, during that same age?
Like, you get a 1990s Ford.
unidentified
No, I know.
matt farah
It's terrible.
joe rogan
Good luck if that thing's still running.
matt farah
Right, yeah, I know.
joe rogan
But 1995 Land Cruisers are driving through Africa right now.
matt farah
Land Cruisers are an interesting example specifically because I went on the press launch for a Land Cruiser, so I know this.
Most cars are built to a 10-year service life.
The Land Cruiser is built to a 25-year service life.
The Land Cruiser's parts are almost 100% unique to Land Cruiser.
They share very few parts with anything else in Toyota's lineup.
And that's why you look at, you go, oh, it's a full-size SUV. Why is this thing $90,000?
Because everything on it is industrial-grade shit, designed to last twice as long as like any other car.
joe rogan
Yeah, it seems like when you drive it went too.
matt farah
Tanks.
Absolute tanks.
And they're over-engineered.
But I think in the 80s and 90s, I think the Japanese design and production philosophy was just so far beyond where we were.
joe rogan
Yeah, we were making shit during those years.
unidentified
Garbage.
matt farah
Absolutely.
I mean, I have an 88 Mustang, you just saw.
I have an 87 Porsche, and I had a 1990 Nissan Skyline GTR. The Porsche and the fucking Skyline are same time, same time period.
They're spaceships compared to the hunk of shit that is my Mustang.
joe rogan
Those Skylines are badass, man.
matt farah
They're awesome.
Skylines are super cool.
Yeah, yeah.
I sold it, but I doubled up in six months, though.
They're hot.
joe rogan
Well, think about what they did with the GT-R. When Nissan came out with the GT-R. The newest one, yeah.
Dude, I've only driven one of those twice.
But one time when I drove one, the most remarkable thing about it was I was taking a turn to hit an off-ramp, and I was like a little late.
I was like, oh, that's the light.
I gotta change lanes.
And it just went like this, crossed the lanes, zip.
Like nothing.
There was no lean.
There was nothing.
It just defied physics.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was like, this thing's crazy.
It's calculating how much mass is leaning this way and adjusting to flatten everything out electronically.
matt farah
So actually, the new Acura NSX, that's like the supercar-y one, it's like $150,000, does that same thing that the GT-R did in 2009, but it does it much more seamlessly so you think you did it.
joe rogan
Really?
matt farah
Yeah.
That awesome driving that just happened?
In the GTR, you're like, wow, the GTR is doing all this awesome shit.
In the NSX, you're like, I'm a fucking hero.
Because it's so seamless.
The GTR, it's a mechanical all-wheel drive system with these clutch packs and whatever.
So you can hear it clunk-clunk-clunking around and moving power and doing all this shit.
The NSX is rear-wheel drive gas engine.
And then electric motors in the front wheel.
So it can do all kinds of funky shit with the front wheels.
The two wheels can be going completely different speeds from each other.
It's completely independent of what's happening at the back.
It's all these computer algorithms, but it's magic front end.
It's front end that cannot happen within the constraints of like normal rotational physics.
unidentified
Whoa!
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, you should work for Acura.
matt farah
I should sell cars.
joe rogan
You got my dick hard for an NSX. It's a good buy right now.
matt farah
People don't want them.
They're cheap.
unidentified
Why?
matt farah
I don't know.
Because they're not like the old one, like you said.
You want the old one.
People want it to stick and simple and it's complicated.
joe rogan
But if people were looking for a double clutch supercar, that seems to be a really good bargain.
It's a great looking car.
matt farah
It is.
I had one for a week and it was awesome.
Awesome.
joe rogan
And apparently the power seems very accessible.
Right?
matt farah
Sorry, I'm very thirsty.
It's very forgiving and very easy to drive, and it makes you feel like Mario Andretti.
joe rogan
I hope they don't not make them anymore.
matt farah
I get paranoid.
I think they've got to make them for a bit.
They've committed, but I think you should buy one if you think you might like one.
joe rogan
I felt a tinge of responsibility when the Viper went out of business that I never bought a Viper because they're so preposterous.
It's such a preposterous car.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
Like, I thought about getting one of those ACRs with the wings and the vented hoods and stuff like that.
I'm like, just because it's such a douchebag car.
matt farah
Yeah.
But it seems like if you were to list off, like, the checkboxes of things that you personally enjoy, it seems like it does actually tick most of those boxes.
joe rogan
It's in there.
matt farah
It's in the wheelhouse.
Yeah, aside from totally looking like a penis.
Besides that, it really ticks the rest of the box.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks like Godzilla's dick.
It looks like this sort of, like, super space-age automatronic.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
matt farah
It's very shredder.
joe rogan
But it's so American, too.
It's such a ridiculous thing to build.
matt farah
Well, what's so American about it is that rather than, you know, Porsche developing this insane gearbox, you know, that can shift in a microsecond and Nissan doing this crazy fucking all-wheel drive system and, you know, whoever Acura doing their torque vectoring electric motors, Viper's just like...
More downforce.
You know, we don't know.
Manual gearbox.
Just, yeah, just more downforce.
Develop the stickiest tire you can find.
Here, you can pop these things out and get even more downforce.
And that's, like, the whole thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, the whole thing.
matt farah
Just put wings on it, and that'll be fine.
Just wings.
joe rogan
But meanwhile, they brought it to every racetrack, and every racetrack they were breaking records.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
matt farah
Yeah, it's the most American thing ever.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
Fuck y'all, I just bought a bigger gun.
joe rogan
Exactly.
unidentified
Fuck it.
joe rogan
The biggest.50 caliber machine gun ever.
matt farah
Desert Eagle, 5.0, yeah.
joe rogan
It's America!
Big ol' American dick.
matt farah
It's super America.
joe rogan
Yeah, but then they stopped making them.
I'm sad.
matt farah
Well, because America isn't necessarily commercially viable sometimes.
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
The age of Trump.
I think you can bring it back.
Bring it back.
matt farah
Vipers for everybody.
joe rogan
Vipers for everybody.
matt farah
Every coal miner gets a viper.
A job and a Viper for every coal miner.
joe rogan
It's the most preposterous American car, would you agree?
matt farah
Well, we have some preposterous vehicles here in America.
I mean, the fact that you can get a pickup truck version of an Escalade is pretty funny.
joe rogan
They do that still?
matt farah
I think they may have stopped.
I think I may have stepped on my own joke.
That's okay.
Let's see.
Preposterous?
Yeah, it's up there.
The Ford GT is pretty preposterous in a very good way.
joe rogan
That's a super car, though.
matt farah
It's extremely super.
joe rogan
Is John Cena in trouble for selling his Ford GT? I don't think so.
matt farah
I don't think the contract is enforceable.
joe rogan
You don't think so?
matt farah
I'm just going by what I've read.
joe rogan
Tell people what the story is.
matt farah
So, to get one of the new Ford GTs, It's what's called a homologation race car.
So they wanted to go win the 24 Hours of Le Mans in a certain class, the LMGTE class.
In order to race in that class, it has to be a street car.
So you have to build a certain number of street cars.
You can't just build a dedicated race car.
That would be called the prototype class.
So they had to build, I think the number is 499. It's 400 and something, 450, 499, whatever it is.
Ford decides that the demand will outstrip the supply, and rather than highest biddering or whatever, they make you apply.
So you have to be a social media star or a celebrity or someone.
You had to tell them why you should have a Ford GT and what you were going to do with it and how you were going to share your Ford GT with the world.
And then they would decide...
That you had earned the right to buy their $450,000 car.
unidentified
Jesus.
matt farah
And it came with a contract that you couldn't sell it for two years.
They didn't want people flipping them.
joe rogan
Right.
matt farah
Which, apparently, is exactly what John Cena went and did.
joe rogan
It seems like that guy must be so fucking rich.
Like, why would he violate the contract for a couple hundred grand?
matt farah
I've never met John Cena.
Is he huge?
joe rogan
Is he a very huge person?
unidentified
He's enormous.
matt farah
How huge is he?
joe rogan
He's so enormous.
Well, he's just enormous, like width.
I bet he's probably only like 6'3 or 6'4.
matt farah
If he's 6'4, he can't fit in it.
So if he took delivery and can't fit in it, that's probably why he would get rid of it rather than sit on it for two years.
joe rogan
Find out how tall Mr. Cena is.
matt farah
I'm 6'2 and my head hit the ceiling.
joe rogan
Oh, that's probably exactly what it is.
He's probably 6'2", at least.
He seems like a guy who should be even longer and taller than he is because he's so thick.
It's almost like they chopped off a foot of his arms in every place.
matt farah
That's funny.
joe rogan
He's a giant, but his wrists are like fucking tree trunks.
matt farah
Hilarious.
jamie vernon
6'2".
matt farah
It'd be close.
It'd be close.
joe rogan
Six foot two or six foot?
jamie vernon
Six foot 250 pounds.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
matt farah
He's shorter than I thought.
unidentified
He's shorter than I thought.
matt farah
Well, I don't know why he sold it, but he did.
joe rogan
Well, maybe even for him.
If it's two inches for you, maybe he felt squashed in there.
matt farah
Look, I drove it for one day.
I don't know what kind of sacrifices to buy it.
joe rogan
Short little fuck like me might be a good car.
matt farah
Be good for you.
So the seat is fixed, and the pedals and steering wheel are adjustable.
You can't adjust the seat.
joe rogan
How bizarre.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
The pedals come to you?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't think I like that.
matt farah
That's what you gotta do, man.
It's what you have to do.
Because the shape of the car dictates.
The seat back angles a bit.
joe rogan
But can't you just make the seat slide, put the seat on some rollers?
matt farah
It isn't like a seat.
No, you can't.
The car is so low.
A seat rail is like inches.
Precious inches.
joe rogan
Precious inches.
matt farah
Yeah.
Dude, the roof is 43 inches from the ground.
That's like this.
joe rogan
Whoa.
matt farah
That's the roof?
It's so low.
joe rogan
It's that low?
matt farah
It's 43 inches.
It's from the roof to the ground.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Compared to all the car...
It won Le Mans, by the way, in the year it was supposed to.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
You park it next to a 911. A 911 is like six inches taller than one of these things.
joe rogan
Whoa.
matt farah
That makes a really big difference in the 24 hours of Le Mans.
joe rogan
Oh, sure.
matt farah
You're talking 200 mile an hour straightaway speeds.
That's a huge difference.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
So they've designed the car...
Without seat rails to get everything even further down, you know?
joe rogan
It's a dope looking car.
I saw one that was black with red stripes.
matt farah
That was the press car.
That was the one I was driving around.
Leno's got the same color, too.
joe rogan
God, that's a pretty car.
matt farah
It's gangster.
joe rogan
That's a pretty car.
matt farah
It's carbon fiber wheels, which are lovely.
Carbon fiber wheels.
So there's two kinds of weight in a car.
There's sprung weight and unsprung weight.
joe rogan
What's that mean?
matt farah
So sprung weight is weight that is...
Most of what you think of as the car.
The engine, the body, anything that is sprung on the suspension.
Unsprung weight is weight on the car that is not sprung on the suspension.
So wheels, brake rotors, tires, suspension components that aren't sitting on the suspension, right?
So it's like a rough calculation, but like roughly one pound of unsprung weight Will translate the feeling of five pounds of sprung weight.
So meaning like if you are able to pull 20 pounds of unsprung weight out of your car, each wheel is five pounds lighter than a stock wheel, okay?
So you're now about 20 pounds unsprung weight out of your car, your car will feel like you pulled 100 pounds out of it.
And it will stop, start, accelerate, turn better than Commute totally.
It'll perform better in all areas.
So to go from a forged aluminum wheel, which is 23 or 24 or 25 pounds a wheel, to a carbon fiber wheel that's like 11 pounds a wheel, You're pulling so much unsprung weight out of the car, it'll feel like, you know, swinging a baseball bat with a weight on it and then just throwing that weight away.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
Yeah.
Massive, massive, massive, massive, massive difference.
And the wheels are so expensive!
joe rogan
I would imagine.
Like, how many companies make carbon fiber wheels?
unidentified
One.
joe rogan
One!
matt farah
They're called Carbon Revolution and they're from Australia.
And do they only make them for the Ford GT? You can buy the wheels.
They have fitments for a few different cars.
Porsche GT3 is one.
And they make them for Ford.
joe rogan
Will you do me a favor, Jamie, and pull up the photo of that black Ford GT with the red stripes?
matt farah
It's on my Instagram, if you have my Instagram handy, the one I drove.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
matt farah
It's an incredibly...
The road presence is just obscene.
And it makes noises that only...
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
God damn!
matt farah
It makes noises that only race cars make.
There's a specific sound.
Like, you know the pops and crackles you get from most of these modern cars when they dump the fuel in the exhaust and shit?
It's cool, but it's a synthetic-y sound.
It's programmed.
This does that not programmed.
It's just like...
Fuel into header, bang!
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
It's just so race car.
It's so nice.
joe rogan
And this goes for like $500,000?
matt farah
Yeah, $450,000 if you can get one.
joe rogan
But you can't get one.
matt farah
But you can't get one.
joe rogan
Unless you know John Cena.
matt farah
I mean, the rumor is he got like over a million for his, but...
joe rogan
Oh, so somebody ordered...
Well, that makes sense.
matt farah
He flipped it.
Yeah, he flipped it.
joe rogan
And so they're suing him.
matt farah
Yeah, I read that it was thrown out.
They sued him for a breach of contract for selling it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
But he claims or claimed that the contract didn't say he couldn't sell it.
joe rogan
Oh.
So was it a verbal agreement or something?
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
matt farah
Maybe it was one of those things they just hoped nobody would call him out on.
Maybe it's unenforceable.
How do they sell you something and then enforce that you can't sell the thing you bought?
joe rogan
You can't do that.
You literally can't do that.
I don't think that's enforceable.
I think once the contract is signed and you take possession of this object, that's yours.
To do whatever you want.
matt farah
I think, morally, I completely agree.
joe rogan
This is America, motherfucker.
But Ford, fucking hats off.
You made a dope-ass car.
That thing's amazing.
matt farah
It's extremely, extremely crazy.
unidentified
God.
matt farah
It really...
It's unlike anything else on the road, because even...
Even the very, very high-end supercars, you know, your Lamborghini Aventadors that are $400,000 and your V12 Ferraris and all that stuff, are fundamentally, they're road cars.
And even when they go racing with them, they sort of take the road car and modify it for racing.
This is so clearly a race car that they had to build some street cars, you know.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
And it's fucking rocking.
joe rogan
It looks amazing.
matt farah
It's got an air brake on it.
joe rogan
What's that mean?
matt farah
Go back to the rear picture.
Yeah, so the wing, the whole wing, that whole wing that goes across the back there, lifts up.
joe rogan
When you hit the brakes.
matt farah
Well, when you start driving quick, it lifts up and becomes a wing wing.
And then when you hit the brakes, it flips up and becomes an actual air brake.
And it is extremely effective.
joe rogan
I would imagine.
matt farah
What it does is, you know, when you break, the car nosedives, it completely eliminates the dive.
So the car just squats straight down.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
It's wild.
joe rogan
It's fucking gorgeous.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are they going to keep making them?
matt farah
I don't think so.
joe rogan
Why not, Ford?
matt farah
If I had to guess, they'd lose money on every single one they make.
If I had to guess.
joe rogan
What kind of a bullshit war do we run in here?
matt farah
I know.
joe rogan
Trump, I thought you were gonna fix all this.
I thought that was part of your platform.
That's what I heard.
It's gonna make American cars great again.
matt farah
The car economy is such a global economy.
The Hellcats are built like in Canada.
We make BMW X5s in South Carolina.
joe rogan
Well, we make Ford Tundras in Texas.
matt farah
Toyota Tundra?
joe rogan
Toyota Tundra, sorry.
Yeah, Toyotas make a couple different cars here in America, right?
Honda's make a couple cars in America.
matt farah
I think Japanese automakers probably have at least as many auto workers in America as American car companies do.
This is definitely the same car I was driving.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
unidentified
God.
matt farah
What is great is just the buttresses, like when it goes by, you can see right through the side of the car.
You can just see the air there between the tunnel and the pod.
joe rogan
That's so pretty.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
That might be the best looking car I've ever seen.
matt farah
It is so cool.
It is so fast.
joe rogan
As far as like American cars, that literally might be the best looking car I've ever seen.
matt farah
I think if it's my money...
I would buy the older GT, the 2005 one, because I like the manual transmission.
joe rogan
Sure.
matt farah
And I just think that was just one of the best cars ever made.
joe rogan
Do you ever drive one of those?
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's that like?
matt farah
The best.
joe rogan
Really?
matt farah
The best.
joe rogan
The best best.
matt farah
Yeah, because this is a race car, and everything that comes with it.
That one, it was...
Road car and it was let's make the best road car we can make and so it wasn't a particularly successful race car but as a road car it was just glorious the ride and the power and The style and the sound and you know, it's they had to develop that car very quickly I think the last time I was on this show we were talking about four GT's and you know so everything's over built so you can run like double stock horsepower and you can run almost 280 miles an hour in the fucking mile and these things on stock aero and Well,
joe rogan
people do crazy shit with them, like put twin turbos in them and stuff.
matt farah
That's not even that crazy.
It's expensive, but it's proven science at this point.
They're not breaking any new ground.
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow.
matt farah
It's actually because they're supercharged from the factory, right?
So they're meant to handle forced induction.
So the turbo system...
You take off the supercharger and the turbo system supplants it?
Is that the right word?
I don't know.
It runs more boost, but it's a very, very strong engine, and so they're not completely different systems.
They both force air in.
They do it in different ways.
joe rogan
And when you buy one from the factory, how many horsepower did it come with?
550. 550 is a lot back then, too.
matt farah
It's a bunch, yeah, with no traction control.
That was the last car, the Viper, it's the same year.
Viper might have had one year, but basically the last car without traction control.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
Or stability control, yeah.
So a lot of people would crash them.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I would imagine.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
My GT3 doesn't have shit on it.
Really?
Yeah, it has...
matt farah
You don't have traction control in that car?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
No.
It has anti-lock brakes.
I don't think it has traction control.
matt farah
Really?
joe rogan
No, I think the next model did.
Because it's the RS. Huh.
unidentified
I don't know.
matt farah
How fortunate for you if it doesn't?
joe rogan
It's a very raw car.
matt farah
I loved your car.
I had a lot of fun driving your car.
joe rogan
They're fun cars, man.
matt farah
It's great.
I think maybe the next thing I buy might be an RS. They're great.
I know.
joe rogan
They're getting so expensive.
matt farah
I know, but it's safe money.
joe rogan
Well, that 2007 year, too, is like, that's the year.
The one afterwards, they became, then they started having traction control.
Make sure that's true.
I'm pretty sure it's true.
2007 GT3 RS, no traction control.
I'm pretty sure.
matt farah
There's a period of 2000 and...
Early 2000s up to end of 2000s, where Porsche was using the engine called the Metzger engine, which traced its way back to Le Mans.
It was a very, very strong engine.
joe rogan
You say that legit.
matt farah
You mean correctly?
joe rogan
Yes.
matt farah
You say Le Mans?
joe rogan
Le Mans, like the movie with Steve McQueen.
matt farah
I fucking hate that movie.
That movie stinks.
joe rogan
Does it?
Yeah.
matt farah
Steve McQueen movies stink!
joe rogan
Wow, you are a crazy person.
unidentified
Oh my god!
joe rogan
How dare you?
unidentified
Oh my god!
joe rogan
I like the image of Steve McQueen.
I like what he represents.
Like this broody American from the 1960s.
You know, like one of the last of the real men.
matt farah
Yeah.
I mean, I like Steve McQueen based on the photographs of him I've seen.
I don't like his movies.
unidentified
Like...
joe rogan
I thought Lamont was interesting because it was like a snapshot of time.
Like, what's the other one?
Oh, Bullet.
matt farah
Bullet, yeah.
joe rogan
Bullet's interesting.
It's like you're looking at a snapshot in time, you know?
matt farah
Bullet is weird.
Why is San Francisco so empty in Bullet?
joe rogan
Well, it's because there was nobody alive back then.
People, there was no tech companies.
unidentified
There was no humans.
joe rogan
There was very few people.
Really?
Chad, traffic was nothing back then, man.
Talk to somebody about what traffic was like in 1960 in LA. I think I just brought that up earlier in this show.
Well, I moved here in 94, and I remember when I moved here, it was nothing like this.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Nothing.
It's gotten 100% worse.
It's like there's twice as many people here.
Fuck all of us.
It's so crazy.
Like you get on the highway on a Saturday night, just heading into LA on a Saturday night, and you're stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic for no reason.
No one's dead.
There's no accident.
It's just too many cars.
matt farah
I'm reading a book right now called Traffic.
It's about the science of traffic.
And they did a study in LA and Saturday 2 p.m.
traffic is worse than any weekday rush hour in Los Angeles.
joe rogan
Because everybody's out.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
Everyone's out doing their shit.
joe rogan
Dude, you know, when you go to another city, like if you go to a big city like Seattle, and you're there with them and they complain about their traffic, you go, first of all, shut the fuck up.
Second of all...
What I'm doing must be wrong then, because I'm dealing with way too many people.
You guys have got it right.
This is the right amount.
You got a lot of people, but you don't have too many people.
matt farah
Like in a medium-sized city that's not LA. Yeah.
And then traffic makes sense.
It goes in, it goes out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
Like here, it's just like, hence the scooter.
joe rogan
You want to get out before it gets all Blade Runner-y.
matt farah
When's that gonna happen?
joe rogan
Well, you know, it's like those dudes like Magnus Walker who lives in downtown LA with his dreadlocks and his garage and his warehouse district.
Those guys like that shit, right?
He likes that shit.
He likes being an urbanite.
matt farah
I'm super fucked.
I'm in Venice.
When that tsunami comes, I'm super fucked.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, you're right on the edge.
matt farah
Yeah, it's not good for me.
Not looking good.
All the cars are done.
There's an app.
joe rogan
What's the app that wants to give us access?
The early warning app?
It says you have 60 seconds before you're fucking dead, basically.
matt farah
Is that what they had in Hawaii?
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
There's an app now that's working in California.
matt farah
It's the year about to die?
joe rogan
It's an earthquake that's about to hit.
matt farah
Fuck.
joe rogan
They apparently have, depending upon the magnitude of the earthquake, which is really scary, because the higher magnitude possibility, the more time you have.
Oh, really?
Yeah, they can give you up to a minute to know your fucks, Phil.
matt farah
Dude, I'm just thinking.
How far can you get in a minute?
Nowhere.
Nowhere worth getting.
I can get to my closet.
joe rogan
Do you have stored food or anything?
matt farah
I'm embarrassed that I don't.
I have a list of shit I should probably get for an earthquake that I don't know.
You must have a whole room of shit in this fucking palace of yours, right?
joe rogan
Not in here, but in here I have meat in here.
unidentified
But I do have commercial freezers.
matt farah
Of course you do.
joe rogan
For elk, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I have emergency rations.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
And I have freeze-dried food, you know, that could last me a few months.
matt farah
How would you, like, how would you physically get out of the city if you had to?
joe rogan
You would really be fucked.
matt farah
Would you just start walking?
Would you bicycle?
joe rogan
The real fuck would be cars.
There'd be too many cars.
matt farah
Right.
joe rogan
There's way too many cars.
You ever see what happened when the hurricanes were hitting Texas and people tried to escape?
Or Florida.
Like Florida, the last one.
You can't go anywhere.
matt farah
And they just get stuck on the highways.
joe rogan
You get stuck and you run out of gas on the highways and everybody's scared and desperate.
It's not good.
And hurricanes you see coming.
This earthquake, you get 30 seconds.
matt farah
I think my scooter is what's going to save me.
joe rogan
Where are you going to go?
You're going to go somewhere and they're going to eat you.
You're going to get away.
You're going to be with a bunch of survivors.
They're going to hunt you down.
matt farah
Put me on a spit.
joe rogan
They're going to keep you alive so they can eat you longer because there's no refrigeration.
They're just going to tie you up and cut off parts of you.
Eat it in front of you.
matt farah
I'm gonna come here and bust into this fucking place.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, that's the move.
Come here.
We'll help you.
matt farah
I'm so about this space, dude.
Who has a float tank?
That is so awesome.
joe rogan
Everybody should have one.
I agree.
My real concern is just the mass of humans.
Just the sheer number is so insane.
I don't think it's I don't think it's sustainable like this number of people that are There's never been a time ever in human history where we've had masses of people crammed into areas like we have today in our urban areas you mean?
Modern America, modern Mexico City is like that, jammed up.
There's quite a few places that are, like, the population number is higher now than it's ever been in recorded human history.
And so the population of these cities is higher than it's ever been.
We've never had, like, we've never had 20 million people in a city before in America like we do in L.A. What's that, Jamie?
matt farah
States with a smaller population than Los Angeles County.
Is that all of them?
unidentified
Almost all of them.
matt farah
It's like 30-something states.
joe rogan
Almost all of them.
matt farah
Is LA County 20 million people yet?
It's like 16-something, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's rough.
I think, but this is like on the 10 to 11 million official count.
joe rogan
So we're looking at this map, and it's one tiny little area of California, and it has more people in it, if it was a state, than almost every fucking state, except Florida.
matt farah
And Texas and New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Illinois.
joe rogan
Goddamn.
I mean, that is just fucking bananas.
matt farah
LA is so crazy.
unidentified
I don't...
matt farah
Is it?
joe rogan
Where would you live if you didn't live?
No.
matt farah
If I didn't live here?
joe rogan
No, it's not worth it.
So where would you live if you didn't live here?
matt farah
I'd probably like...
I like Colorado a lot.
Colorado's a good state.
Mountains are good.
I like Northern California, but not San Francisco.
Like Mount Shasta.
unidentified
Yeah, Humboldt.
joe rogan
Hang out with farmers.
Get fucked up.
Deal with that weird dude who keeps knocking on your door.
matt farah
Yeah.
You?
Woods somewhere?
joe rogan
Um, Colorado, I think.
I like Utah, too.
I like Utah.
Utah's very underrated.
Those people are very nice.
matt farah
They are.
joe rogan
Everybody thinks Utah.
They're like, oh, fucking Mormons.
I can't do it.
matt farah
Mormons are friendly.
joe rogan
Some of the nicest folks ever.
matt farah
I spent like four months in St. George.
joe rogan
Where's that?
matt farah
It's the very corner, southwest corner of Utah, right at the Arizona, Nevada corner.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
And it's like the town nearest to like Zion National Park.
I was doing like landscape photography for a while.
joe rogan
That national park is...
Gorgeous.
matt farah
Zion's awesome.
It's so pretty.
And actually, to bring it back to cars, we had a show on NBC Sports called Drive and did a national parks.
The roads through our national parks here in America are glorious.
Glorious.
Yosemite, Zion, Death Valley, Bryce Canyon all have amazing roads going through them.
joe rogan
Yeah, and just the view that you get.
We're very lucky here.
We got a lot of cool shit.
matt farah
Uh-huh.
And in California, we got the best roads in America, possibly.
joe rogan
We got some pretty good ones.
You know, just that place where everybody goes just to drive to fuck around, that Angel's Crest Highway.
God, that's pretty.
matt farah
That's where I was this morning, before I came here.
joe rogan
What were you driving up there?
matt farah
My Focus RS. I was having fun.
We adjusted the suspension, and so I needed to shake it down.
joe rogan
Those are fast Fast little cars.
matt farah
Very fast.
I worked with Mountoon on mine.
So it's making 377 wheel horsepower and 455 wheel torque from a four-cylinder.
And we have an KW DDC adaptive suspension.
Adaptive coilovers.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
unidentified
Awesome.
matt farah
The car's very, very fast right now.
joe rogan
And that's a really light car too, right?
matt farah
That's not so light.
It's small, but it's all-wheel drive, which adds to the weight.
And so it's...
It's not super heavy, but it's not a featherweight Porsche.
joe rogan
35, something like that.
matt farah
A little less, maybe 33, 34, but it's got a lot of stick.
And Porsche, Porsche, fuck me.
Ford, the RS, has this trick all-wheel drive system.
You can actually power oversteer.
So it's not like when the front wheels slip, you get power to the back.
Like it has what they call a drift mode, which can send up to 100% of the power to the back.
joe rogan
Wow.
So they want you to get crazy.
matt farah
So you can actually oversteer it and slide it.
joe rogan
They engineered craziness into their car?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
The new M5, you know, is all-wheel drive, and the new AMG E63 is all-wheel drive, and you can electronically disconnect the all-wheel drive through a button in both of them.
joe rogan
Whoa.
matt farah
Yeah, so you can get drifty as well.
joe rogan
Get drifty.
matt farah
Mr. Harris.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
Wanted to get drifty, whatever.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What do you think of that new Cadillac?
What is it, the A6? Oh, what?
matt farah
Is that a CT6 with the Super Cruise, that thing?
joe rogan
It's the new big Cadillac that has a giant engine in it now.
matt farah
Oh, it's a...
joe rogan
They're putting a 600 horsepower engine.
What is that thing called?
matt farah
CT6? CT6V? Is that what it is?
I'm going to say the wrong thing.
joe rogan
I haven't...
matt farah
I saw it.
joe rogan
This thing got me excited about Cadillacs.
Well, there's a CTS-V. No, no, not that one.
It's the Sedan.
I think it's called the CT-6.
matt farah
Yeah, CT-6 is their biggest one.
joe rogan
It's the brand new.
The brand new one has a crazy V engine.
I don't think it's out yet.
No, no, no.
It's not for sale yet.
matt farah
It has a twin-turbo, like, dual-overhead cam V8, which is, like, the most advanced General Motors engine ever.
And it's going to be a Cadillac exclusive engine, which hasn't happened since, remember the North Star?
joe rogan
Right.
matt farah
That was the last time Caddy got their own motors.
joe rogan
And they're making a big deal about it being Cadillac exclusive.
Like, hey, Camaro, go fuck yourself.
matt farah
Yeah, because that's sort of what Cadillac hasn't had, right?
Right.
Cadillac, they actually, the CTS-V is the lightest, fastest car in its class.
It has the best steering in its class.
It has the most horsepower in its class.
joe rogan
Some amazing little car.
matt farah
And they cannot sell them.
joe rogan
What?
matt farah
They can't sell CTSVs.
They can't sell ATSVs.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
No one's buying those?
matt farah
No one's buying them.
joe rogan
Why?
matt farah
Well, I mean, I'm sure there's a few reasons, but the infotainment system, that Q system, is really pretty terrible.
joe rogan
That sucks fat dick.
matt farah
A lot of people don't make it to the test drive because of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, that thing is really like a liability.
matt farah
It's not good.
joe rogan
It's very bad.
I've tried to like, I rented an Escalade, and I was going through all that shit to try to get to the navigation.
I'm like, what the fuck, man?
I've had cars forever.
I'm good at this.
I can't figure out how to get the navigation.
Where's home?
Where's the fucking home button?
matt farah
So that's why.
That's one.
joe rogan
Aren't they switching over to CarPlay now?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Where it works with Android or Apple phones?
matt farah
Yeah, you can get those.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's better.
matt farah
But that still doesn't get you around the touch buttons and stuff.
unidentified
There it is, the CT8. CT8. That looks fucking slamming.
matt farah
I mean, if that actually...
Artist's rendering.
Oh boy.
That's what it's really gonna...
That's a CT6. If it looks like that, we'll see.
Cadillac has a really nice history of coming out with very bold concept cars and then not building them.
joe rogan
Oh, come on, Cadillac.
matt farah
Seriously!
unidentified
Make that.
matt farah
They end up building watered-down shit.
Ford does it, too.
joe rogan
Cadillac was always the car, like my, you know, grandfather's day.
If you made it, you got a fucking Cadillac.
Put that back up for a second, please?
That thing, to me, looks like a modern version of what I felt like a Cadillac should be.
matt farah
Well, that's not entirely different from a Bentley Flying Spur.
If you pull up a Bentley Flying Spur, that looks similar.
But that, again, is a rendering.
joe rogan
That's the best-looking Cadillac I've ever seen.
unidentified
It is good looking.
joe rogan
I know it's rendering.
I hope they make that that way because that is like the best looking Cadillac I've ever seen.
matt farah
It's aggressive.
I mean, aggressive for American cars, aggressive sells.
Chrysler 300 saved Chrysler.
joe rogan
And when I say best looking Cadillac, I mean best looking new Cadillac.
That's what I mean.
I don't mean like the Batmobile style old school Cadillacs because I really feel it's unfair to compare because those are works of art.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, like, what year would that be?
matt farah
Like a 57 Eldorado would be a fin tail.
joe rogan
Pull up custom 57 Cadillac.
matt farah
You know, and they're like 75 feet long.
Big bodies are coming up.
So the slammed on bags, you know, with steel wheels.
Yeah, so there's your fins.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Jesus Christ.
matt farah
That's a chopped roof.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
matt farah
That one, they've really gone Batmobile.
joe rogan
That looks like a bat.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
God, it's beautiful, though.
matt farah
But, man, I wish...
You can't bring fins back, but that would be nice.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
Pedestrian impact and all.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
That is hot.
That's older.
That's like a 55, maybe?
57?
That's a custom.
joe rogan
Oh, damn, that's fire!
Woo!
matt farah
But, you know, do you...
Would you roll big body like that?
You go full big body?
joe rogan
I mean, you would take it out on Sunday, and then you'd go fuck this car, and then you would drive something that you could actually drive.
Because part of the thrill of driving is the interaction with the road, right?
And, like, those cars are not interacting very well.
matt farah
No.
joe rogan
There's so much weight.
You're moving them around.
They're sloppy.
Whereas you got into an old 73 Porsche, you could drive that thing.
Even stock from the factory, you could drive that thing, no problem.
matt farah
The older American cars, you have no idea where that limit is coming.
It's like, I'm there, I'm there, I'm there, the wheel's falling off!
joe rogan
I'm in the trees.
There was no communication in the steering wheel.
Old school electric steering is like, there's just zero communication up there.
matt farah
And I used to be so afraid of old cars, and then I started driving old European cars, and I went, oh.
This is how this is supposed to go.
joe rogan
It's just America.
matt farah
Well, it's a product of their environment, right?
Like, in the 80s, those fucking GM guys, their chomp cigars and their off-the-rack shitty suits, they never left Detroit.
joe rogan
Right.
matt farah
And if you go to Detroit, it's just fucking potholes and it's straight lines, and so, of course the cars would ride like shit, or would float around and not handle, because there isn't a corner for 300 miles.
unidentified
Right.
matt farah
Now you get the CTSV because these guys, they go to the Nürburgring and test.
It's a global world now.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a totally different animal.
matt farah
These closed-minded morons built cars for their own city and sold them all over the world with no regard to the fact that they didn't work for shit in Italy or anywhere with corners in it.
joe rogan
Wow, that's interesting.
That's a good point.
matt farah
And it set up America.
You go drive a 57 Cadillac in Detroit, and you go, well, this makes all the sense in the world.
joe rogan
Right.
matt farah
The roads are straight and wide.
joe rogan
In 1957. Yeah.
matt farah
How's that Beeline Coffee?
joe rogan
This is your coffee.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is really good.
It's good, huh?
And did you go to the place where they grow it?
matt farah
No, I work with this company, Beeline Coffee, and at first they started sponsoring my My new watch podcast called Watch and Listen.
joe rogan
Oh, you're a watch dork, huh?
matt farah
I'm a watch dork, too, yeah.
Illogical extension from Cars.
joe rogan
Dude, this is a delicious coffee.
matt farah
Cheers.
And so, thank you.
Yeah, I brought you some.
It's a light roast, medium body, single origin, and that's an A. Langenson watch.
Thank you.
That's a watch.
And that's the back of a long chronograph.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the back.
matt farah
Yeah, the back.
joe rogan
Oh, that's beautiful.
matt farah
Yeah, it's amazing.
Anything that looks like gold, that's gold.
joe rogan
So is that glass?
matt farah
Yeah, sapphire crystal.
joe rogan
So there's a crystal on the back and the front?
matt farah
Yes.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
matt farah
Yeah, they call that a display back.
joe rogan
Oh, so just you could show people.
matt farah
So you can admire the hardware within.
joe rogan
It is crazy when you look at the detail involved in one of those watches.
matt farah
A lot of parallels with cars.
So many.
They rose up in parallel.
I mean, the obvious connections of timing races and stuff like that and wearing a machine on your wrist.
joe rogan
Look at that.
matt farah
That's called self-dealing, as I went to advertise my own watch for sale.
joe rogan
You can do that?
matt farah
Yeah.
Look at that.
joe rogan
What's that one on the far right?
matt farah
That's a Panerai.
That watch is called a Rattrapante, which is also known as a split-seconds chronograph.
So it's actually two chronographs laid on top of each other, so it would be used to measure the time differential between, say, two cars on a racetrack.
joe rogan
Whoa!
matt farah
That's the most complicated movement Panerai makes.
I think that watch is about $13,000 or $14,000.
joe rogan
That's a beautiful watch.
matt farah
Very nice watch.
joe rogan
It's pretty.
matt farah
That was a demo.
I sent it back.
joe rogan
You sent it back?
matt farah
I sent it back.
Most of them I sent back.
joe rogan
Why do you send them back?
matt farah
As opposed to giving them $10,000 a month for every watch.
joe rogan
Oh, is that how it works?
matt farah
Yeah, I have a sponsorship deal.
Crownandcaliber.com.
joe rogan
What is it?
matt farah
What is what?
joe rogan
What is a sponsorship deal?
matt farah
Oh, well, I started this watch podcast, so they're our title sponsor.
So they gave me a budget for a year, but I can also loan out watches out of their stock if I so desire, if I want to try something.
joe rogan
So it's like a chick trying on jewelry.
matt farah
Totally.
joe rogan
It's jewelry for men, right?
matt farah
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It basically is.
matt farah
It is, yeah.
joe rogan
It's the only jewelry that you can kind of get away with.
matt farah
Pretty much.
joe rogan
You had a fat I would look like a total asshole.
matt farah
No, but it makes sense if you have a watch.
Look, that's Jonathan Ward from Icon.
That was his case.
joe rogan
Jonathan is really into old, weird watches.
I follow his Instagram as well.
matt farah
He's into old, weird anything, I think.
joe rogan
He fascinates me.
That guy is a fascinating character.
matt farah
He's the most interesting person that there is.
joe rogan
He's very intense.
matt farah
He's like you, like...
You guys both just do so much stuff.
I don't know where all the hours are in the day.
He runs his business, and he makes videos, but I also see every week on Instagram, he'll put up a handbag he made from scratch leather.
Where did you find the time for that?
joe rogan
You, too.
matt farah
I don't know where you find the time to do all this shit.
joe rogan
It's an illusion.
Because the time I spend here is very easy.
It's just conversation.
It's fun.
It's great.
Having a guy like you, we get to talk cars.
matt farah
I agree.
It is great.
joe rogan
It's fun.
Stand-up comedy, I've done so long.
It's like a part of my life.
It's normal.
The working out stuff, it's like if I don't do it, I can't do the other things.
I'll go crazy.
I won't be balanced.
And I want to stay healthy.
So I do that.
matt farah
It just seems that you seem to churn out a large volume of content, and you also travel, UFC, and all that kind of stuff.
So, I don't know.
It's a lot of content.
You told me the universe rewards hustle once.
joe rogan
It does.
matt farah
I have that engraved on the back of the first Rolex I bought myself.
joe rogan
Really?
Good for you, man.
matt farah
Which is from you.
joe rogan
That's dope.
matt farah
And I sort of lived on that mantra.
For quite a long time until recently I actually just totally burned myself out on it a bit.
joe rogan
You can burn yourself out.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta be real conscious of how your body feels, right?
And that's what I like about what you've been saying, that you're doing cardio seven days a week and lifting weights.
matt farah
Well, that's what happened.
I spent so much time working and focusing on it.
I was like, look, as long as I can stand and lift my arms, I'm gonna keep making videos because this shit could all end tomorrow.
joe rogan
Right.
matt farah
But my body completely fell apart, and so I had to go, alright, I think it's time to take care of this.
I'm stuck with it.
joe rogan
There's a car analogy here, because this is your meat vehicle, and the difference between having a 500 horsepower engine and a 125 horsepower diesel is literally how you take care of yourself.
And you can turn your body into a race car.
You really can.
Unless, you know, obviously you have disabilities or something's wrong with you.
But for most people the issue is just will.
It's just their will and their mind and discipline and then knowledge, understanding how to do it correctly.
matt farah
And I've lost large amounts of weight several times in the past.
I lost 50 pounds, and then I lost 100 pounds, and then I lost this past two years another 50. So, like, I know how to do it.
joe rogan
What are you doing now differently?
matt farah
The difference with this one is, I wanted to do it, every time I've done it in the past, it has drastically interrupted my day-to-day life.
It's like either you go to fat camp and do it, or whatever, you know?
It takes away from something.
This one, it was much more important to go, I have a job, I have a life, I have to figure out how to make this work within that life.
So it became a lot more hotel gyms, really doing that, really making sure to just do that shit.
joe rogan
Oh, when you're on the road?
matt farah
Yeah, road is really hard.
joe rogan
Yep, it's hard with diet, too.
It's very hard.
matt farah
I didn't change my diet that much.
I just started exercising a lot.
My big problem wasn't that I ate badly.
It's that I would eat big meals spaced very far apart.
And so my body would go into, like, storage mode.
But now I try and eat smaller meals and more of them, and it seems to work much more efficiently.
joe rogan
Well, everybody's body's different, but for the most part, one of the biggest, most significant things you can do is cut out most sugar and cut out most refined carbohydrates.
matt farah
Bread is my Achilles heel.
joe rogan
Everybody.
matt farah
I love fucking bread.
joe rogan
If you just cut that out, weight would fly off you.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Especially when you're telling me the volume of exercise you're doing.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Cut out the bread, cut out the sugar, you would lose ridiculous amounts of weight.
You know, Jordan Peterson was on my podcast and he was talking about autoimmune issues that he had.
And what he did was cut out everything except for meat and vegetables.
That's it.
And all his problems went away.
matt farah
Yeah, I know.
I've done the Atkins-style, caveman-y, whatever you want to call it, you know, all protein and fat, cut out the vegetables and cut out the carbs.
Like, it works.
I've done it.
I've lost weight.
And I just, I couldn't stick with it because I fucking love bread so much.
And I just don't want to kill myself.
You know what I mean?
It's like growing a show or something.
If the curve is going in the right direction and I'm okay pushing forward, let me just push forward.
I'll get there.
joe rogan
Well, it seems like the curve is definitely going in the right direction.
The thing about saying that you don't want to kill yourself, I get it.
I love bread too, and I love pasta.
I'm a big fan of lasagna.
I just love Italian food.
I really do.
I love pizza.
But I just limit it to one day a week.
matt farah
It's probably good.
joe rogan
One day a week, I allow myself to eat whatever the fuck I want.
And if I decide it's Wednesday night, if Wednesday night I go out to dinner and I say, you know what, man?
I want the fucking spaghetti and meatballs.
Let's just do this.
Then that's the night.
That's the night I cheat.
And then the other six nights, I eat normal.
matt farah
Yeah.
Dude, I respect your...
joe rogan
It makes it feel better, too, when you get that cheat day.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, then it really counts.
If I get spaghetti with meatballs with grated Parmesan cheese over it, if I'm fucking digging in on that on whatever, Friday night, like, ah!
matt farah
Just let yourself enjoy the shit out of it.
It's glorious.
unidentified
It's glorious.
joe rogan
It's not just a regular spaghetti and meatballs because it's dinner, which is normal, you know, on Wednesday, Friday, whatever, who cares?
No, it's the one day!
One day you can eat that fucking pizza.
matt farah
Ah, the cheese.
Maybe this is what I take home from this one.
Maybe I take home the cheat day philosophy from this show.
joe rogan
Cheat day's good.
The other thing is your body, if you get into that habit, your body won't be craving those things anymore because a lot of the reason why you crave it is because of your gut bacteria that's being supported by that diet.
matt farah
And then you sort of, like, go into gut bacteria withdrawals that makes you want more and blah, blah, blah.
joe rogan
Yep, you get crazy.
What you gotta do is get your biome in check.
Like, start eating a lot of probiotics.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, if you can stomach kimchi.
I don't know if you're into that.
I like the taste of it.
matt farah
I mean, I like Korean food.
unidentified
I don't know how much I... Kimchi is a daily thing for me.
matt farah
Really?
joe rogan
Yep.
Acidophilus.
Yogurt is good.
If you could eat yogurt...
matt farah
What the fuck do you have the time to just...
I don't...
To find this stuff and eat it?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just go to the supermarket.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
It takes ten minutes to get some food.
matt farah
I know.
It's amazing.
When you've got to run around the city...
This is why I'm surprised at how well you do it.
Because running around this city...
You could have a whole day that's three activities...
And it takes all day to do those activities, and you barely have time to eat in between the...
I'm just bad at bringing that stuff with me, you know?
I need to be better at carrying my own, whether it's bars or kimchi or whatever, to bring it with me so that I don't get to that...
My God, I'm starving!
And then murder food.
joe rogan
When you leave, get me your address and I'll have some Onnit stuff sent to you.
matt farah
Oh, cool.
joe rogan
Because we have some new Onnit protein bites.
They're coconut and cashews.
No guilt.
matt farah
I like coconut and cashews.
joe rogan
Seven grams of protein for each one of these little squares and they're fucking cracked.
matt farah
Hell yeah.
That'll just get you to the next thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're heroin.
matt farah
I like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll have some sent to you.
matt farah
Sent that and like 300 or 400 pounds of elk.
Oh, I wanted to tell you I killed something.
I went hunting.
I went bird hunting.
joe rogan
What'd you shoot?
matt farah
I shot a quail.
I used a gun.
I can't shoot a quail with a bow.
joe rogan
It's hard.
matt farah
But they were delicious.
joe rogan
It's delicious food.
matt farah
It was really the dogs.
The dogs were so impressive.
The dogs were amazing.
joe rogan
Well trained.
matt farah
Super well trained.
Went to this place in South Georgia.
And they had the most brilliantly trained dogs like I've ever seen that just found everything.
I think I got like 90 birds a weekend.
joe rogan
It was a lot of birds.
So you went on a full Dick Cheney.
matt farah
Yeah, without the humans.
I didn't shoot any humans.
It's fun though.
joe rogan
I really enjoyed it.
Did you cook the quail?
matt farah
No, they sent me some, which I could cook at home, but they were doing them there.
They were turning the quail breasts into like nuggets, like a McNugget, but a quail breast.
And then like the drumsticks, banging.
Absolutely delicious.
joe rogan
And what did they cook?
When you say like a McNugget, so they breaded it?
matt farah
Yeah, they breaded it and fried it.
And it was like a whole quail breast was like a pop it in your mouth nugget.
It was really good.
joe rogan
It's a delicious meat.
Yeah, they're crazy tasty birds.
matt farah
Yeah, but I was super conflicted about the hunting portion of it.
I don't know why.
My dad was like, that's like fishing.
joe rogan
It's definitely not.
matt farah
It's not like fishing, but I didn't feel as guilty as I thought I would.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
It's like...
And this is a crazy thing to say, but I'm going to say it anyway.
It's like an old relationship.
Like you're like, oh, like you run into an old girlfriend on the street and you haven't seen her since 1989 or something.
matt farah
Can't wait to see where this is going.
unidentified
You're 10 years old.
joe rogan
Whatever the fuck it is.
Long time ago and you run into each other and you start talking to each other like, oh, I remember you.
matt farah
I remember why I broke up with you.
joe rogan
That's what it's like when you kill something.
No, no, not even that.
It's a relationship with hunting an animal.
People feel it very quickly with fishing because fishing carries very little guilt.
Some people are like, oh, is it hurt?
Is it going to get hurt?
Some people get like that with fish.
Most people don't give a fuck about fish.
Little kids, they laugh.
My kids laugh.
matt farah
And it's like flopping and dying.
joe rogan
This fish has a fucking hook through its head and my seven-year-old thinks it's awesome.
Oh my God!
She's so happy that this thing is dying.
Like, that's crazy.
But if that was a rabbit, she would never have that reaction.
There's a natural thing that we have with, we have a hierarchy of life.
And things that are closest to us, we feel more connected to.
We don't feel connected at all to bugs.
Nobody gives a fuck about bugs.
Vegans slap mosquitoes all day long.
Nobody gives a shit about that life.
But there is a life that you care about when things get warm and brown and fuzzy.
They get too close to us.
When they get too close to mammal-like, people freak out.
matt farah
Yeah, I went on a South African safari last year, and it was like...
I couldn't fathom someone going and hunting a leopard or something like that.
joe rogan
That's a weird thing.
matt farah
The big game shit?
joe rogan
That's a very weird thing.
It's a very different thing.
It's not...
It's almost like...
What that is, and I'm not saying it shouldn't be legal.
matt farah
Is it like a sadism?
joe rogan
Maybe a little.
But what that is, is like, it's an aberration off the original idea.
And this is the only way to look at it.
And people will get mad at me that are hunters because I'm a hunter.
And like, what are you saying?
Look, it's not the thing to do.
Unless you're doing it just to control population, there's no reason to do it.
But...
What happened was, in the past, the only reason people hunted was for meat.
You barely could stay alive anyway, and when you went on a hunting party, you didn't go for sport, you went to go to kill things.
When you have so much food that you don't need to worry about food, and you've already been shooting all these animals, then they start doing these things called slams.
They call it doing super slams or the grand slam.
There's a doll sheep slam.
There's a sheep slam, a rocky, like a bighorn sheep slam.
There's a white tail.
matt farah
Is this like a jamboree?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
You try to kill one representative of each of the subspecies.
Oh my God, really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a big thing.
It's a big thing with these guys.
matt farah
Like a poker run?
joe rogan
They call them like the big six or the big eight in Africa.
matt farah
In Africa, it's a big eight.
The Big Five.
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
matt farah
The Big Five?
unidentified
Thank you.
matt farah
Yeah, the five most dangerous animals to hunt on foot.
It's like cheetah, lion, hippo, rhino, and whatever the fuck.
Leopard.
joe rogan
Leopard.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of these kind of slams.
They have them for turkeys.
They have a wild turkey slam.
You get the Gould's turkey.
You get the Osceola turkey.
There's a bunch of different turkeys all over the country.
One in Florida.
There's one in Mexico that's a different turkey.
Point being, people start collecting animals.
It gets weird.
matt farah
Well, that's the trophy, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it gets weird.
It's like it gets to this weird place like you don't think they shouldn't do it.
Like, okay, are you eating the turkey?
You are.
Okay, that's cool.
Are you eating the deer?
Yep.
Okay, well then I have no quarrel.
But when you start going like leopard, lion.
matt farah
I said cheetos.
Elephant was the other one, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I mean, the only reason why you shoot an elephant is if the elephant's going on a rampage through a village and killing people.
And you want to protect people's lives.
And I'm on team people.
Other than that, why the fuck else would you shoot an elephant?
matt farah
I have no idea.
I saw an elephant, the biggest elephant I've ever seen, as far away from me as you were sitting right now.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
matt farah
And I almost had a heart attack.
joe rogan
In real life?
In life?
matt farah
Yeah, in Africa on the safari.
unidentified
Oh my god.
matt farah
It was fucking scary!
joe rogan
See, but I think those things are amazing.
matt farah
It was amazing.
It was amazing.
But, like, you just know...
Because what you're doing...
The reason I was so close is because we were watching them push trees down with their trunks.
Like, four or five inch trees just...
Oh, my God.
Like, it's nothing.
You know what I mean?
Like, you'd crash a car if you hit one of those.
It would crash the car.
And like, they're just foom, foom, foom.
And they're right next to you.
And if they go foom on your Jeep, that's the end of that.
joe rogan
You know what's complicated?
Someone was trying to explain this to me, and I should really be honest about this.
A guy was trying to explain to me that when we think of Africa, we think of a country.
It's not a country.
It's a continent.
And it's a way bigger continent than North America.
We've seen pictures of the United States stuck in the middle of Africa.
Fucking huge and he's like unfortunately there's places in Africa where they have overpopulations of elephants and they encroach on human civilization and they do have to hire hunters to come in and do it and kill them or they don't hire them the hunters pay and The money goes straight to the village the meat goes to the village and people get very excited about people hunting these elephants It probably seems like a short-term solution to the village, right?
matt farah
The village doesn't give a shit about the elephants.
They want to eat, probably, right?
joe rogan
Do they care about their conservationists?
The elephants eat their crops.
It becomes a big issue.
And they eat the fuck out of their crops.
You know, like, good luck putting up a fence to keep a goddamn elephant out.
You have no chance.
So when someone was explaining this to me, I remember, you know, we were saying this.
I was like, why the fuck would you ever want to kill an elephant?
We know there's not that many of them.
And he's like, yeah, this is why it's complicated.
There's not that many of them in some places.
It's like in L.A., there's no grizzly bears.
But if you go to Montana, the people that live in Montana are going, hey, when are you going to start hunting these fucking things?
They just declared them open in Wyoming.
They think they just started a hunting season.
And it's very controversial.
Are they endangered or anything?
No, not anymore at all.
No, they have a lot of them.
And the people that live up there, especially people that have been mauled or know people that have been mauled, they're like, hey, we fucked in enough.
Enough.
I get it.
They made a great comeback.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But, you know.
If you're in Chicago, there's zero bears.
And this is a tiny place in comparison to Africa.
So when I was saying that I thought that elephants were endangered, he's like, yes and no.
They're endangered in some areas.
matt farah
Good point.
joe rogan
The fucked up point, the most dark point about all of it, is that trophy hunting is the only thing that keeps those animals healthy.
This is what's fucked up.
I was talking to my friend Cam Haynes about this this weekend.
When I say trophy hunting, I'm even talking about normal hunting for meat, like impalas or elands, these big game animals that people hunt because they're delicious.
Even them.
In Zimbabwe, there's a lot of areas in Zimbabwe that are not high fenced.
They're just open, enormous areas.
All the money that would come from people hunting there would sustain these local areas, sustain these lodges, so it would make it viable to keep these animals alive, and stop poachers.
matt farah
Oh, because it funds the anti-poaching, right?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
It's the only thing that funds the anti-poaching.
So, here's what happened.
The Cecil the Lion shit went down.
Nobody wanted to go to Africa anymore to go hunting, and all these businesses are going under.
So, there's nothing stopping the poachers.
So, the poachers move in and kill everything.
Kill everything.
matt farah
How about that?
That's going the other way.
joe rogan
This is how many elephants were killed last year by people.
Something like 400 or...
Google this.
Legally killed elephants.
The number of illegally killed elephants, 30,000.
matt farah
Come on.
joe rogan
30,000.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Most of them are killed illegally.
Most of them are poached.
They have this one elephant.
You know that last elephant that was dying?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The male, or excuse me, rhino that was dying?
unidentified
Rhino.
matt farah
White rhino or black rhino?
Which rhino was it?
joe rogan
Black Rhino, I think.
They had that poor bastard with armed guards around it 24-7.
Because they were worried someone was going to kill it and shoot it and chop the fucking horn off.
The poaching is way scarier than the hunting.
And the only thing that protects the animals from poaching is hunting.
It sounds so counterintuitive.
But you have to look at it honestly.
matt farah
Yeah, they said something similar to us in South Africa about that.
That they need the funds because the anti-poachers, you know, they're all over the place.
joe rogan
And then here's the other problem.
When you say poachers, these poachers, you know what you're really saying?
Poor people.
That's what you're really saying.
They're poor, desperate people.
They don't know what the fuck to do.
And if they can chop off a rhino's horn and make some money, they're going to do it.
If they can shoot that animal that's not theirs and use it for meat, they're going to do it.
They're starving to death.
I mean, they have no options.
There's people in parts of Africa that are living in grass huts.
My buddy Justin Wren, he goes and makes wells for these people in the Congo.
And the stories he tells you would just make your eyes tear up.
These are human beings.
And they're living like this.
24 hours a day for their entire life, and this is the norm.
So we're talking about poachers.
We're talking about people that are fucking desperate, man.
You can call them poachers.
You could dehumanize them with that term, but they're just poor people.
matt farah
Are none of them the movie stereotype poachers?
There's got to be a couple of them.
joe rogan
Some of them, but most of them aren't.
Now here's what's even crazier.
Most of the anti-poaching agents used to be poachers.
Because there's nothing else for them to do.
matt farah
Yeah, it's not surprising.
joe rogan
And now they're poachers again.
matt farah
But they're hunting people.
joe rogan
But they got out of this position that can't be anti-poachers anymore.
matt farah
Oh, because they can't fund them.
So now they just went back.
joe rogan
So now they become poachers again.
matt farah
Oh, perfect.
joe rogan
This happens to a lot of them.
matt farah
This has gone well.
joe rogan
When Cam Haynes was explaining this to me, and when he's explaining this to me, I'm like, well, of course.
So they don't even know how many animals are left in these areas where people have abandoned them.
matt farah
That's crazy.
joe rogan
These are ranches that were once thriving ways.
See, the thing is, most of these animals, a good percentage of them, were on the verge of extinction just 30 years ago.
Because people were just over hunting them and poaching them and doing whatever they wanted to them.
Then they started putting value on them.
People would go over there to hunt them.
So people would keep them in these huge areas and that populations boomed.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they were taking care of them because they were a resource.
And this is conflicting to people.
unidentified
Right.
It's wild.
joe rogan
It's very wild.
matt farah
I just went to the Galapagos on a vacation, which is interesting.
Have you been?
It seems like your kind of spot.
joe rogan
I want to go.
matt farah
Can't kill anything.
It's like Hawaii if there were never people.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
So it's a completely empty Hawaii.
joe rogan
How big is it?
matt farah
About the same size as Hawaii.
joe rogan
The big island?
matt farah
No, it's a chain of islands.
It's probably 13 or 15 islands.
joe rogan
Whoa.
matt farah
Yeah.
None as big as the Big Island, but most like Maui.
joe rogan
And there's no buildings on them?
matt farah
There are two or three towns with like 25,000 people, and the rest of it is nothing.
National Park, 97%.
But they talk about the giant tortoises, and there were potentially a half a million of them on the islands, and it went down to like one.
Like, they found, like, the last one, and they tried to breed it.
There's, like, three varieties of tortoises, and one of them got down to one, and they tried to save it, and they couldn't save it, and now it's, like, you know, embalmed and fucking taxidermied on the Galapagos Islands.
But, you know, these giant tortoises that lived at 200, but all the passing ships would just, like, grab a few of them, and they'd eat them on the ships, and they completely decimated the entire population.
They're all gone, and they're...
Trying to bring them back.
I don't even know why we started here, but...
joe rogan
Well, they take forever to grow, right?
And they live forever.
They live like a thousand years, don't they?
matt farah
They live like 200 years, yeah.
And then the whole rest of the islands, what's crazy about them is nothing's been hunted there in forever, so the wild animals have no problem with people.
No problem.
Like, you're face-to-face with sea lions and stuff.
I could be to, like, birds.
Like, what kind of wild bird would let you get within, like, a foot of it?
But there's these giant blue-footed boobies that have no problem with you just being right here watching them.
Like, they could have a baby right there, and they won't even fuck with you.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
And, like, huge lizards.
But underwater, the density of the underwater sea life was insane.
Hammerhead sharks.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
I think a baby hammerhead shark is the cutest animal I've ever seen.
joe rogan
A baby hammerhead.
Do you know why they developed their eyes out there on the ends like that?
matt farah
Presumably it's like an echolocation or radar sonar type of thing.
It gives you better range, I think, because they are in darker waters, if I had to guess.
They're really, really cool to see in person, though.
There's nothing like a hammerhead shark.
joe rogan
Isn't the Galapagos where they had that thing that they were doing with Judas goats?
Do you know that?
matt farah
Yes.
That is it, right?
The goats...
Wait, whoa.
joe rogan
Captain Cook dropped off a bunch of goats on those islands.
Yes.
And they did it so that when they came back, they'd have something to hunt.
matt farah
And the goats overran the island.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they overate.
unidentified
Badly.
joe rogan
That was a big problem.
They were eating everything.
They could eat everything in sight.
matt farah
And then what did they do with the Judas?
The Judas goat had like a disease or something?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
What did it do?
No, they took one of them and they neutered him.
And then they sent him out with a radio collar on.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So he would find out where all the other goats are.
They would gun them down.
matt farah
Helicopters!
joe rogan
And they would keep him alive.
They would go, that's the Judas goat.
We keep him alive.
So they'd gun all these goats down.
He'd go, man, they killed all my friends.
We'll all of them make some new friends.
And he would go and make some new friends, and then they would locate that new pack.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because otherwise, it's very difficult to locate packs of goats if you're really going to put a dent in the population.
They wanted to wipe them all out.
matt farah
Yeah, they killed like 75,000 goats.
It was a crazy number of goats.
unidentified
Dude.
matt farah
But they were completely overrunning the whole thing.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, trained sharpshooters were sent in helicopters to scour the island for goats.
Once found, the goats would be shot from the air, either in the head or the heart to ensure a quick death, whatever.
Stop lying.
matt farah
They shot those things in the dick.
No one ever caught them in the arm.
joe rogan
They shot them in the face.
They shot them everywhere they could.
They're in a helicopter.
Go back to that, please, so I can keep reading.
matt farah
Let me...
joe rogan
You're not...
They're not even in a steady place where they can steadily shoot.
You don't have a good rest from a fucking helicopter.
matt farah
They're like mini guns.
joe rogan
They're just gunning those fuckers down.
Why lie like that?
In the heart or in the head?
To ensure a quick death.
Okay, mom.
Using high-powered weaponry and military precision.
Stop with your military precision.
Who wrote this?
Many people, including the plan's orchestrators, had misgivings about such a large-scale slaughter of goats.
However, the decision was made that the Galapagos ecosystem, under threat found nowhere else on Earth, was valuable enough to justify their actions.
Yeah, they're an invasive species.
matt farah
History was written by the winners.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's funny.
It's funny that they're essentially...
Preparing for people who are animal rights activists, reading this.
That's why they're writing, you know, they're shooting them with such precision.
matt farah
It's actually very funny because, you know, the Galapagos is ridiculously restrictive.
You cannot set foot on a beach, like, there without being, like, without a naturalist with you the whole time.
And you can't be more than, like, 50 feet from the naturalistic ever.
joe rogan
How'd you guys do it?
Did you hire someone to take you on a tour?
matt farah
Yeah, it was like an organized thing.
It was like a smallish yacht with like 30 people on it.
joe rogan
I heard they check your shoes to make sure you don't have seeds in the soles of your feet.
matt farah
Yeah, they rinse off the bottom of your shoes and then they hand sanitize you when you get back on the boats.
joe rogan
They said they've had real issues with people that have tramped on plants and then come to the Galapagos.
Now those plants grow there.
matt farah
Yeah, well there's one island that has...
I was expecting tropical.
Right?
Because Hawaii's kind of tropical.
None of them plants are fucking native.
None of them?
Like, none of them.
All the jungle plants were brought there.
Like, the Galapagos has one island that has jungle on it, and all of the rest of them are like volcanic rock and cactuses and shrubs.
joe rogan
Whoa.
matt farah
Yeah, not what I expected.
And I was like, how come this island has a jungle on it, and the rest of them, they said, oh, all these plants are not native.
They were all brought here in like the 1700s.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
So the plants that were brought there, like those plants, whoa, look at that shit.
matt farah
I'm not sure what that is.
I never saw that, but it's awesome.
joe rogan
That looks like an artist rendering to me.
We're looking at this crazy tree that looks like it's right out of the Lord of the Rings.
matt farah
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Dragon blood tree is what it's called.
matt farah
That's an awesome name for that tree.
joe rogan
I want that shit in my yard.
matt farah
You got a big building here.
Can we get one of those?
joe rogan
Dude, I need a dragon blood tree in my life.
Look at that thing.
That looks like Avatar Island, that island that floats.
Remember that one that floated?
That is the greatest looking tree I've ever seen.
matt farah
It's a very cool tree.
It's a weird economy.
But the same naturalists that were like, you know, preserve everything are giddy when they talk about shooting goats from a helicopter.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they look at the goats as what they really are.
They're an invasive species.
I mean, they're life forms and it's not their fault that they're there.
But like I was trying to explain to my friend, I have a buddy of mine who's thinking about hunting.
He eats meat and he's like, if I'm not going to kill my own meat, why should I have the right to eat meat?
He's in this weird moral thing.
And he's like, I'm thinking about being vegan, but I know it's not the right move for my health.
I'm like, well, you should try it.
See if it's the right move for your health.
It might work good for your body.
But if you want to shoot something...
The thing to shoot would be wild pigs, because they have three, four litters a year.
Each one of them, they could have four, five, even six babies, and they fuck like crazy, and they eat everything.
And they might be four or five hundred pounds.
I mean, they can get big when you leave them alone.
matt farah
You kill one of those a year, you're golden.
joe rogan
But they get fucking, the point is, they get destructive, and there's nothing that kills them.
matt farah
Where do you find these wild pigs?
unidentified
Everywhere!
Everywhere.
joe rogan
They're all over the country now.
matt farah
I don't hunt, Joe.
joe rogan
Where's everywhere?
It's not even a hunting issue.
It's people who live in San Jose or having a problem with wild pigs going through their backyard and fucking them up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a real issue.
Because no one's paid attention to them.
People are getting on their highway, going to school, stopping at Starbucks, doing the normal shit.
While this is happening, they're out there in the bush earning it.
They're fucking and they're making babies and there's a shit ton of...
They're all over the place, man.
All over, from Bakersfield on up, Northern California, filled with wild pigs.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
Are they tasty?
joe rogan
Look at that.
matt farah
Do they taste like domestic pigs?
joe rogan
Currently exist in 56 of the state's 58 counties.
matt farah
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Where's that?
What state is that?
matt farah
California?
Shit, they're everywhere.
joe rogan
56 of the state's 58 counties have wild pigs.
matt farah
Okay, so when you say everywhere, you're not fucking around.
joe rogan
No, they are a biological plague.
They're a completely invasive species, and they're designed to live in places with wolves and lions.
I mean, that's what their origins are.
matt farah
But do they taste good?
unidentified
Phenomenal!
Really?
joe rogan
Better than domestic pork.
matt farah
Great!
joe rogan
Yeah, especially when you cook them right.
Like you take a ham and you like slow it on a smoker.
Yeah.
Brine it maybe for a few days first.
Dude, I'm telling you.
Goddamn delicious.
matt farah
Not surprising.
joe rogan
They're a delicious plague.
But they're everywhere and they eat everything.
Ground nesting, birds, like fucking anything on the ground.
They're just all the time fucking up people's lawns, digging in people.
unidentified
So you just want to be ready?
joe rogan
They have to do things about them.
matt farah
Just be locked and loaded in your yard?
joe rogan
Well, in Texas, they just shoot them.
I mean, they get in helicopters.
Oh, the helicopters.
matt farah
I was at a thing and a guy was telling me about shooting pigs from a helicopter.
There you go.
joe rogan
A porkalypse now is what you want to look up.
It's a guy named...
matt farah
That's not a porno?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It should be.
It probably is too.
But it's a guy named Pigman who...
I'm buddies with this guy.
I text him.
unidentified
Of course you are.
joe rogan
We text each other.
I know him.
matt farah
You and Pigman.
joe rogan
He texts me and I text him back.
It's like, okay.
It's crazy.
He's a good dude.
But anyway, his whole thing is eradicating these wild pigs.
And they did them with Ted Nugent where they're shooting machine guns out of a fucking helicopter.
And they killed 200 and something of them in one day.
Feral hogs are now in 37 states.
Look at this.
They cause 1.5 billion in crop damage yearly.
matt farah
I mean, I like the anti-pig propaganda film.
joe rogan
This is good.
2.6 million hogs in Texas alone.
Do you know how crazy that is?
And, again, delicious.
They've got a bunch of brucellosis and a bunch of different terrible diseases.
matt farah
Fuck Ted Nugent.
joe rogan
Well, how dare you.
matt farah
Fuck Ted Nugent.
How dare you.
unidentified
Sucks.
joe rogan
Well, he's definitely got issues.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
So they're up there with machine guns gunning down these wild pigs out of helicopters.
And part of you is like, they shouldn't be able to do this.
But part of you is like, they have to do this.
Because if they don't do this, then these things keep breeding and there's more of them.
If they don't eradicate the numbers, what's to stop these things from just spreading across the entire country and becoming a real problem?
Well, they're already a real problem.
So what do you do?
matt farah
Which part of you goes, that looks kind of fun.
joe rogan
It looks very fun.
It does.
If it wasn't a life form, it looks very fun.
matt farah
Yeah, I would want to do that with targets.
Can they do that and put targets out there?
joe rogan
It wouldn't be as fun.
You'd want to do it.
But the thing is, you see a mama and her babies.
The whole thing is...
It's kind of fucked up because...
There's not a whole lot of other ways to do this.
Here's the thing.
You've got to locate them on these enormous ranches.
So what are you going to do?
Are you going to have people go out there with hunting camps and slowly make their way through the bushes?
They might kill 250 of them in a month.
Or these guys get 250 of them in a day.
matt farah
I'm not arguing with the efficiency of this project.
This is extremely efficient.
joe rogan
It is an epidemic, though.
I mean, what they're saying is accurate.
You're seeing all these pigs?
I mean, look at the populations that these guys are gunning down.
And this is just a fraction of what exists out there.
matt farah
There's the shot right there.
That was like right out of The Godfather's.
joe rogan
Yeah, the pig hanging from the helicopter.
matt farah
The pig hanging from the helicopter?
Look at that.
Jamie, that freeze frame on Ted Nugent's face was extra creepy.
joe rogan
He looked like he was coming.
matt farah
Wait.
This is a real show?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
matt farah
I thought this was a goof!
joe rogan
That's a real show!
That's real.
matt farah
Oh, my God.
A porkalypse now.
joe rogan
A porkalypse is episodes on Pigman's show.
matt farah
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
You see, as a person who loves animals and also eats meat, I understand conflict.
I love animals.
I love wild animals.
I love pets.
I love them.
But I also eat meat, and they do too.
There's a weird relationship going on with people and animals.
But that, to me, in modern world, is one of the weirder aspects.
Flying around a helicopter, gunning down...
Feral pigs that destroy cop crops cause billions of dollars in damage and are spreading across the entire country What else do you do?
No, it just seems so unfair 100% unfair but the question is is it unfair if you're jogging through the woods and a bear eats you is that unfair that seems unfair to probably also unfair I mean you're barely levels of unfair barely able to just sustain a nice pace and go jogging if you got a run from a bear Just trying to drop a few LBs.
That's it, man.
I didn't want to get eaten.
matt farah
This grizzly came from fucking nowhere.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
We have weird relationships with animals.
You know, I know you eat meat.
matt farah
I do.
joe rogan
Yeah, obviously.
matt farah
No, I don't feel too guilty about it either.
I eat meat from the grocery store and I don't feel too guilty about it.
I'm sorry to say.
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
matt farah
That's fucking life.
You know.
joe rogan
Do you feel bad about factory farming?
matt farah
I try to buy good quality meat from good quality places, but that's about...
I don't buy, like, farm-raised fish, and, you know, I don't know.
I try and buy good shit if I can.
I prefer to eat high-quality things.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
But, I don't know.
Should we talk about cars more?
joe rogan
Yep.
matt farah
Do we want to?
Do you want to?
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
What else are you seeing in the world of curse?
joe rogan
We just stumbled into an area of dead animals and pigs.
matt farah
Well, this is your show, so that's what's going to happen.
joe rogan
I didn't mean to bring it there.
matt farah
But this is when I get to talk to you, so what are you going to do?
joe rogan
Oh.
matt farah
That's what happens.
joe rogan
I'll tell you what I'm interested in, man.
matt farah
I'm interested in that new Corvette ZR1. Going to drive it next week on Monday and Tuesday at Road Atlanta.
joe rogan
That thing looks ridiculous.
matt farah
750 horsepower.
joe rogan
See, that's what I'm talking about.
When are they going to stop?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Are they going to hit 1,000 horsepower on a regular car that people can buy?
matt farah
Yes, yeah, you know who will probably do it first actually in terms of like a quote regular car with a thousand horsepower would probably be Electric like an electric car because it's so easy to make that power look at that thing.
It's aggressive.
Holy shit Yeah, it's aggressive and you see they had to put this monster power bulge in the hood there in the center and So, you know, this Corvette Z06 was out before, and it was very fast, 650 horsepower.
But it had this issue where it was heat soaking, wherein, like, you'd lose power because the supercharger would develop so much heat.
And it was a small supercharger to fit under the low hood, because the low hood is sort of a thing for Corvette.
And the way to make more power while also creating less heat...
Is to use a bigger supercharger and spin it slower.
As opposed to a smaller one that spun faster.
So they had to put a bigger one, which raises the hood.
joe rogan
Does it fuck what you don't know yet?
Have you even driven it?
I was going to say your vantage point, your viewpoint.
matt farah
I don't know.
I'll report back a couple weeks.
joe rogan
Can you pull a picture up?
matt farah
It's definitely a big old cow hood.
I have driven...
There's a company called Callaway.
You've heard of them?
joe rogan
Yes.
That's a beautiful car, man.
Go back to that image that you just had.
matt farah
The aero package is certainly aggressive.
joe rogan
Look at that thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a beast.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
That looks so good.
matt farah
So I have driven a Corvette of this generation that has an engine like this, and I drove something called the Callaway Aero Wagon.
They actually turned a Corvette into like a shooting brake, like a wagon.
unidentified
Oh, God.
matt farah
It's not that bad.
It's pretty cool.
But it had 775 horsepower, and it was one of the scariest cars I've ever driven.
joe rogan
Look at that side profile that James had.
matt farah
Look, you can get it as a convertible.
joe rogan
Wow, that's amazing.
A ZR1 as a convertible?
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did they do anything to extra stiffen it up?
matt farah
Actually, the reason they do this is they say that the roof itself is not a contributor towards the chassis rigidity.
So they can sell the car as a coupe or a convertible without any loss of rigidity.
That's what they say.
joe rogan
So that thing drives...
matt farah
Honestly, I think you're a douche if you buy a ZR1 convertible.
joe rogan
Wow, how dare you?
I was just thinking about buying one.
matt farah
You can buy the coupe and take the roof off.
You can buy the coupe and take the hard roof off still.
joe rogan
Right, but that's not the same.
It's not the same.
matt farah
It is because you don't look like a douche.
joe rogan
Convertibles are for douchebags?
matt farah
The top-performing Corvette engine track package with an aero kit...
In a convertible.
joe rogan
Go back to that picture of the red convertible again, Jamie.
matt farah
It's for people who suck.
joe rogan
How dare you.
You son of a bitch.
matt farah
Dude, what are you doing with the top down and that wing?
joe rogan
Looking amazing.
matt farah
And the wing.
joe rogan
Looking like a player.
matt farah
Jamie, can you break the tie on this?
What's your verdict?
Convertible or no convertible?
joe rogan
Playing some Tiesto music and letting people know.
jamie vernon
What are you driving with?
Who's with you?
joe rogan
You.
jamie vernon
Just by yourself?
joe rogan
Just you and me.
unidentified
Just by yourself.
jamie vernon
It's just to the no convertible.
If you're a girl convertible.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Us two no convertible?
Yeah, we look desperate out there by ourselves.
jamie vernon
Two guys in a convertible.
joe rogan
Two guys in a convertible is weird.
That's a good point.
A guy and a girl, that's a very good point by Jamie.
matt farah
Two guys in a convertible is still weird.
It's still weird for you?
unidentified
It's weird.
matt farah
In 2018?
joe rogan
Any convertible.
Well, not if they're gay.
But any convertible.
Two guys in any convertible is weird.
It's like, what are you losers doing?
matt farah
Real men don't put the top down.
joe rogan
No, but by yourself, yes.
I'm by myself, I'm free, I'm just driving around.
matt farah
You know how you can tell someone's a real bad driver?
It's a really surefire way to tell someone's a terrible driver.
If they've got a convertible, and they put the windows down, but the front windows go down, and the little back windows stay up, like a 3 Series BMW, where they don't notice those little rear windows are just still up by themselves.
That's how you can tell someone's a bad driver, never checks their blind spots.
joe rogan
Well, even when you're driving a convertible with the windows up, like, stop.
jamie vernon
Four's even worse.
Two guys in the back, too.
matt farah
Oh, four up?
joe rogan
That's bad.
matt farah
In Venice, I see that.
I see all the convertible Mustangs loaded up.
joe rogan
When I see that, I always look at those four guys and I'm like, one of those guys is dead weight.
Guarantee you.
One of those guys is a pain in the ass.
matt farah
Three of them hate the other.
joe rogan
Yeah, one of those guys always short on how much he puts in for the tab.
matt farah
That's funny.
joe rogan
One of those guys.
unidentified
And you never pay for weed, ever!
Ha ha!
joe rogan
Do we?
When I'm doing better, I'll pay, man.
Fuck you.
That looks so good though.
Pull that picture up again.
matt farah
They've really shredded the hell out of it.
joe rogan
That looks amazing.
Red with black, that ZR1 convertible, that looks fucking amazing.
matt farah
Dude, and it's apparently faster around Virginia International Raceway than the Ford GT, which we just looked at.
And the Ford GT is like a race car race car.
This thing has like a big trunk and, you know, for all intents and purposes, it's a pretty normal car.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
I like it.
matt farah
It's not, you know, it's not, there's not a lot of sacrifice going on with driving one of those.
You know, you get in it, you drive it, and it's got a big trunk, and it's reasonably comfortable and easy to live with.
joe rogan
But it's interesting that this is like this game of like, okay, let's look at watches.
There's no real improvement in performance, right?
I mean, they're beautiful, but the performance difference between now and ten years ago is not clear.
matt farah
Yeah, and a mechanical watch?
No, I mean, there's artistry and there's technological complication.
I mean, there's complication for the sake of complication.
So they'll have watches like, to use a car example, Imagine a car.
And from the outside, it looks roughly like a normal car.
Four wheels and a driver's seat.
It has one engine, and it has four transmissions coming off of that engine, all of which come back together to make it the car one-wheel drive.
Right?
Imagine that applied to a watch.
So it'll be like one main movement that goes out into four gear trains and then comes back into just an hour and a minute hand.
Well, why would you sync up four gear trains when you could do the same thing with one?
And it's like, well, because we can.
It would be like building a car with two engines.
Like, that's not smart, but you'd do it just to be like, I built a fucking car with two engines.
joe rogan
Unless you're talking about, like, the NSX engine where you have the front engines for the electric.
matt farah
Exactly, exactly.
joe rogan
But I think what I'm getting at is that...
With computers and with cars, those are the one thing that you expect an improvement every year.
Yeah.
Nobody's going to accept the old way.
You can't just build, unless you're Singer and you're making something custom.
matt farah
Well, the Singer is what, that example is what the mechanical watch kind of industry is, you know, they position it as a luxury item from a time gone by sort of thing, you know?
Whereas, actually, if you want to talk about innovation, this right here is a Grand Seiko, which has a movement called a spring drive movement in it, and it is one of the most advanced and unique mechanical movements available in a watch today.
joe rogan
So this is a Seiko?
matt farah
It's a Grand Seiko.
joe rogan
What's the difference?
matt farah
So the difference is, it's like, think about a...
joe rogan
Like a Lexus?
matt farah
Think about a Lexus.
A Seiko is a Lexus, not a Toyota.
This is a Lexus LFA. Oh, okay.
A Grand Seiko is built in a different factory from the regular Seikos.
It's built by hand, completely by hand, all hand-finished, hand-polished.
It's built of exotic materials.
It has a cool movement.
joe rogan
Dude, you should sell watches!
matt farah
I have a watch podcast.
It's called Watch and Listen!
It's on YouTube.
joe rogan
Wow, it's beautiful.
matt farah
Yeah, I mean, and I have what is called the display back on this, so you can see the movement in the back and how high the level of finish is.
And you've got sapphire and titanium, and so the spring drive movement is...
Without getting crazy, crazy nerdy about it, is actually a true innovation in mechanical watchmaking.
So run the chronograph on the front, the top button.
Watch the sweep of the chronograph hand, the big second hand.
You get a perfectly smooth sweep.
The smoothest possible sweep that there could be.
joe rogan
It is smooth.
matt farah
It is.
unidentified
It is.
joe rogan
It is smooth.
How much is a watch like this worth?
matt farah
Around ten.
joe rogan
Thousand.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Amazing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
God.
matt farah
But it's...
joe rogan
This watch is $300.
unidentified
What?
matt farah
Is it a G-Shock?
No, G-Shocks are the shit, dude.
joe rogan
$300.
matt farah
G-Shocks are awesome.
It's got a light on it.
joe rogan
Does that have a light?
matt farah
No, but it's polished so that it can see in the dark.
joe rogan
Mine tells you the date, motherfucker.
matt farah
Dude, G-Shocks are dope!
A G-Shock is a watch guy's tool watch.
Like, highly functional, durable.
A G-Shock is a total watch guy's watch.
You can get G-Shocks that are like $5,000, you know.
joe rogan
What?
matt farah
Yeah.
Dude, Jamie, look up a $5,000 G-Shock watch.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right there.
Hold that up.
matt farah
That's John Ward's.
joe rogan
Jonathan Ward's own design.
unidentified
That's cool.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
unidentified
How cool is that?
joe rogan
I think it's based on the Duesberg?
matt farah
Yeah, Duesenberg gauge cluster.
And the watch is called the Doozy.
And it's got a complication on it called a jump hour complication.
So it's basically just a black face, almost looks like a bathroom scale.
And it's got two windows, hours on top, minutes on the bottom.
And the minutes sweep by slowly.
Whereas the hours do not sweep by slowly.
At 59 and 59 seconds, the hours click over right fast.
So it's a jump hour as opposed to a slow-moving hour.
joe rogan
Now, he designed the look or did he design the internals?
matt farah
He designed the look, the face, the complications, and he worked with a Swiss watchmaker to design an actual unique movement to use for this watch.
He designed the case and...
joe rogan
That's crazy.
matt farah
It is awesome.
And that watch is 12 grand.
I believe it.
He's making 50 of them.
joe rogan
I believe it.
matt farah
Yeah.
He tried to use the face in that Vantablack shit.
joe rogan
What is that?
matt farah
Vantablack is the darkest, the blackest black that has ever existed.
joe rogan
Oh, I saw they painted a building with that shit.
matt farah
It looks like a negative space.
Dude, get a picture of Vantablack.
It doesn't look real.
And it's the most black that...
That!
That's something painted in Vantablack.
It's so black that it absorbs all light and you can't even see anything.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
Can you paint a car in that?
matt farah
You could, except environmentally it's not a good thing.
unidentified
Hey!
joe rogan
Fuck the penguins!
Oh, whoever's gonna die.
I want a nice black G-Wagon, you fucks.
matt farah
Bro, I need my G-Wagon Vantablack, bro.
So this watch here has Vantablack in it.
joe rogan
Of course it does.
matt farah
And you'll see it's $95,000, and the Vantablack is just the black background.
joe rogan
When you said $95,000, my balls hurt.
I made my balls go like this.
They went...
matt farah
Bro, they got watches that are a million dollars.
unidentified
What?
matt farah
There's a million dollars.
You can buy a million dollar watches right now.
joe rogan
300 bucks.
G-Shock.
matt farah
Dude, there's a watch called a Jacob Astronomia that is like wearing like a sapphire fishbowl on your fucking hand.
I swear, it's the craziest shit you've ever seen.
It's so ridiculous.
It's like...
Liberace the oil chic.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that is insane.
matt farah
Jamie, top right picture there.
See, this has a gold case.
That's a sapphire case.
The whole thing is sapphire.
joe rogan
What if you bump into something and it shatters under your hands?
That's so stupid.
You're wearing a glass watch.
matt farah
It's not glass, it's sapphire.
joe rogan
You Cinderella motherfucker.
matt farah
Dude, the whole case is milled from a block of sapphire.
joe rogan
The whole case can go fuck itself.
Seriously.
matt farah
It's a million dollars?
joe rogan
You deserve...
You deserve that thing to break.
That's crazy looking.
matt farah
It's hilarious, right?
joe rogan
That's a million dollar watch.
matt farah
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Earth is that.
matt farah
Yeah, that's the Earth.
The planets are spinning around.
joe rogan
They spin around.
matt farah
Yeah, if you can find a video of it moving, it's nuts.
joe rogan
Look at the stars.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, it's got like a Rolls.
If you drove your Rolls Royce with your million dollar watch, you'd be like, what, what?
matt farah
You could coordinate this guy with your star field ceiling.
joe rogan
Dude, that is a small Earth.
That's crazy.
And it literally has the continents and silver.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then some blue star thing.
What is the water made out of, you think?
matt farah
It's gotta be like...
I have no idea.
Anodize something.
But then there's the diamond sun on the other side.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
There's a ball.
A diamond ball that spins around.
matt farah
Some of them have different stuff on them, too.
That's just one.
joe rogan
Baller you have to be to be sporting a million dollar watch.
matt farah
Yeah, that one's got a central star.
joe rogan
Let me check the time on my million dollar motherfucking watch.
matt farah
That's crazy, right?
joe rogan
That's crazy.
matt farah
Yeah.
There's some rich people doing some really, really weird rich people things right now.
joe rogan
That seems preposterous, that thing with all the diamonds on the bottom.
matt farah
The baguette diamonds?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's like some steampunk, futuristic...
Ridiculousness.
matt farah
It's weird.
Even more so than, you know, cars.
It's like, because a car, it's like, okay, you got a $1,000 car, $10,000 car, $100,000 car.
unidentified
But like, yeah, when you zoom in really close.
jamie vernon
That's a computer version.
That's not real.
matt farah
Oh, it's CGI. But that is pretty much what you get.
See the astrological signs there?
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
What is that?
The red made out of.
matt farah
It's like amber or something.
Oh, probably ruby.
joe rogan
The sun's a ruby?
matt farah
It's probably ruby.
The sun's probably a yellow diamond.
joe rogan
Motherfucker, that is incredible.
See, I don't get it, but I get it.
matt farah
Well, you must have been able to appreciate that someone is making a machine that fits in a little fishbowl on your wrist.
joe rogan
Look at that.
matt farah
And look, I mean, look, on top of the crazy artistry of this and the ridiculous price and the jewels and all that stuff, the mathematics of that machine work.
That is not, that's not just like that for nothing.
That does like moon phase, you know, what astrological sign it is.
There is an actual function.
joe rogan
Look at that one with the dragon.
unidentified
The dragon in it.
joe rogan
You gotta be fucking kidding me.
That looks like something to come out of a little kid's gumball machine.
matt farah
That's so crazy, right?
joe rogan
Scrawl up to, that's amazing looking.
Scroll up the other images, though.
They had those three watches together.
matt farah
Look at that.
joe rogan
Look how good those things look.
I mean, that is a crazy thing to have on your arm.
matt farah
It's so crazy, right?
joe rogan
That's a million dollars.
matt farah
And if you see someone wearing one in person, it's big.
unidentified
It's like the size of that Yenny lid.
joe rogan
A coffee mug on your hand.
matt farah
It's so crazy.
joe rogan
It's so big.
matt farah
There's really, people are, they're actually, I mean, you'd be shocked at what people are doing with certain, with machinery and mechanical watchmaking.
It's like the fight against friction is the whole thing, right?
You've got this tiny little spring, and you need to get as much power out of it as possible, so they engineer these, like, Micrograms of friction out of this stuff.
That's the erwork, I think.
joe rogan
What the fuck is that?
matt farah
That's some Star Trek shit.
joe rogan
Whoa, that's pretty.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
What does the lid look when it's closed?
matt farah
It looks like a Star Trek communicator.
joe rogan
Now, how much does something like that go for?
matt farah
It's probably 50 or 60. Oh, sorry.
joe rogan
I was going to guess.
I was going to guess higher.
matt farah
I was going to guess 75. I think you can get different versions of it.
Don't hold me to the price.
It's expensive.
joe rogan
What do you think it costs, Jamie?
75. Yeah, that's what I was saying.
matt farah
75. The top article should have it.
The Hodinkee article usually has the price.
If you scroll down to the bottom of that article, it should have it.
That's it closed right there.
So you can read the time when it's closed.
So on that watch, it's 827. Yeah.
joe rogan
And what does it look like when it's closed?
matt farah
Go up.
joe rogan
That's closed right there?
matt farah
Yeah, that's closed.
Yeah.
And then that's another version.
joe rogan
Oh, so does it have different tops?
matt farah
Yeah.
The clear top or the metallic one.
And then there's a carbon back.
joe rogan
That's a pretty watch.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's pretty looking.
matt farah
If you scroll all the way down, it should say the price.
joe rogan
No?
matt farah
68,000.
There you go.
Fucking expensive.
There's some wild stuff.
There's a company called HYT that makes watches that have a liquid that moves around, and it tells you the time based on almost like a thermometer.
The liquid goes up to this level.
There's a watch by a company called Devon, D-E-V-O-N, that's a belt-driven watch where you have a series of conveyor belts on your wrist.
unidentified
What?
matt farah
Yeah, there's the HYT, so the green...
The green liquid goes around the dial.
It's like a nuclear ooze that flows through the dial.
joe rogan
So it changes depending upon the time?
matt farah
Yeah.
So that goo, it flows.
Go back to the one with the green goo on the top left there.
So it like fills up around the dial, and then it resets.
joe rogan
So is that what a minute is when it goes all the way around?
Is it a minute?
matt farah
No, it's an hour, I believe.
unidentified
That's amazing.
matt farah
It's awesome, right?
joe rogan
That's amazing.
So you look down, and that's how you know where it is in the hour.
matt farah
Yeah, and then it had a typical hour hand.
Yeah, and then this one, it flows around the skull.
joe rogan
Dude.
How much does something like that cost?
matt farah
A hundred grand or something.
joe rogan
Jesus.
matt farah
Axl Rose is actually sponsored by them, believe it or not.
unidentified
Of course he is.
matt farah
It works, right?
It's on brand for him.
I think this is about a hundred grand.
joe rogan
So when you say sponsored, what do they do?
They get Axl to wear it on stage?
matt farah
Yeah, he wears one.
You know, I follow these dumb watch spotter Instagram accounts.
joe rogan
They sell for upwards of $50,000.
matt farah
I think it's more than that.
Look at that.
$50,000 is $75,000.
They're expensive, man.
joe rogan
It's David Cross selling watches.
Ha!
$285,000 to H3. A particular ultralight high-end model.
Which one's that one?
matt farah
But there's some materials in this stuff.
They use crazy forged carbon there.
$95,000 used for a Skull one.
joe rogan
Ooh, let me see that.
That's pretty.
matt farah
Yeah.
They're real crazy.
I mean, you can get lost in this stuff.
I mean, the machinery of it and the materials.
joe rogan
What color do you think the liquid is that goes around that fucker?
unidentified
I don't know.
matt farah
They may have a different picture with a different liquid.
joe rogan
So that's how the minutes go.
matt farah
Yeah.
And then there was an hour.
joe rogan
That is so crazy.
Press that.
matt farah
Let's see if there's an animation.
unidentified
So you can see how this fucker works.
matt farah
Here's the liquid going.
So cool.
joe rogan
That is fucking dope.
I love the fact that people are so creative.
They can figure out how to do things like this on something like a watch.
matt farah
See, look at the red goo going around the skull.
Isn't that awesome?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
I'm in love with it.
matt farah
It's so cool, right?
joe rogan
It's amazing.
I'm in love with this.
matt farah
And then look, it goes back.
But it goes back quick.
It goes back quick and resets.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
And the eyes fill up when it goes back.
Oh, you've got to be kidding me.
Oh my god.
matt farah
It's some really next level, like there's bellows and pumps and it's like pumping like liquid around.
joe rogan
Dude.
matt farah
Right?
joe rogan
I had no idea.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
I had no idea people were doing this.
matt farah
Dude, people are doing crazy things.
joe rogan
That is fucking badass.
matt farah
So that's really crazy.
So I have a watch that is called a perpetual calendar, which is like a traditional complicated watch.
So it does day of the week, Date of the month, month of the year, four-digit year, moon phase, power reserve, okay?
And the time, obviously.
And it has all of those functions.
And if you keep the watch running, you know, it's mechanical.
You've got to keep it wound up.
If you keep it wound and running, it will be accurate for all of those things without needing any adjustment for about 300 years.
unidentified
Okay.
matt farah
Like leap years, how many days are in the month that you're in, like all of that shit.
Yeah, IWC Big Pilot Perpetual Calendar.
joe rogan
See, this is more of what I like.
It's all math.
I like a watch that looks like that, like a classic looking regular watch.
matt farah
Yeah, look up the Big Pilot Perpetual Calendar.
joe rogan
I like their watches, IWC. They make beautiful watches.
Like that right there to me, that's like a perfect looking watch.
matt farah
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I like normal looking shit.
matt farah
Yeah, Big Pilot, yeah.
unidentified
Uh...
Which one is it?
matt farah
Orange hands, down.
Yeah, that's it, but go down on the left.
Bottom left.
Yeah, that's the one.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
So it's got a lot going on there.
joe rogan
So that's the one that you have?
matt farah
That's the one I have, yeah.
joe rogan
That's a beautiful watch.
matt farah
Yeah, and it's big, it's big and chunky and heavy, but you see it's got four-digit year, and then the month at the six o'clock mark, day of the week, and the second hand at the nine o'clock, and then the date and the power reserve at the three o'clock.
And if you keep that running, that'll give you June 3rd, 2018, Friday, you know, whatever, automatically it knows all the math.
Hundreds of years.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
Crazy, right?
joe rogan
All you have to do is keep it running.
matt farah
Just keep it running.
joe rogan
So you have to just put it in a perpetual watch machine?
Yeah, or wear it.
Or wear it.
matt farah
Fortunately, I like wearing it, and it has an eight-day power reserve.
So if I wear it one day out of every eight days, it's great.
joe rogan
Oh, so it has a battery assist?
matt farah
No, no.
The spring will keep going for eight days.
Yeah, yeah, eight days.
joe rogan
Whoa.
matt farah
Yeah, and then you see in the inner gauge at the three o'clock position, it says days, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one.
unidentified
Right.
matt farah
This one's dead.
It's in this empty gauge, but normally it stays up by the S in days when it's full.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
Yeah, and it shows you how much is left.
This watch has a fuel gauge as well.
joe rogan
Let's you know how much juice.
matt farah
Yeah, see, look, right down here at the seven o'clock position, that watch has a fuel gauge as well.
Very helpful.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
matt farah
My favorite feature in mechanical watches is the fuel gauge.
joe rogan
Is that an actual fuel icon?
matt farah
It looks like one, kind of, yeah.
joe rogan
It does kind of look like one.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's dope.
matt farah
So, watches.
I have a podcast about all this called Watch and Listen.
I do it with a watchmaker who, like, takes shit apart.
Cameron Weiss, he's the man.
joe rogan
Watches are connected to extreme materialism in a lot of people's eyes.
Totally.
unidentified
Yeah, it's one of those things where people are like, oh god, you're into watches.
joe rogan
You must be a douche.
matt farah
Totally.
It's a fair argument.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
Because watches are also used as trophies and flashy shit.
joe rogan
But they're also cool.
matt farah
They're also cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, I get it.
That is true.
Same thing I feel with cars.
matt farah
I mean, look, if you...
Is every person who buys a...
You know, Ferrari LaFerrari.
Is every one of those people a douche?
No.
Some are, and some are the ultimate enthusiast.
75. 75?
joe rogan
No, I don't know.
matt farah
It might be 50. No, it might be 50. It could be.
You know, there's enthusiasts and there's douches in everything.
joe rogan
In everything.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the thing is, there's a reason why those things are highly coveted.
Because they're fucking amazing.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that watch, I don't want a million dollar watch, but that watch is the shit.
I would never wear it if I had it.
matt farah
Dude, if you're in Beverly Hills, go in the store.
The Jacobs store in Beverly Hills.
joe rogan
I don't want to get frisked.
Do the fucking TSA thing on you.
matt farah
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm sure.
They must be really worried about people walking in that store.
matt farah
You gotta get buzzed in it.
joe rogan
Do you really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
Fuck you.
He's selling something.
matt farah
Dude, you could smash and grab like six million dollars.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
Somebody just did that recently.
In England, they smashed and grabbed a watch store with machetes.
Yeah, because, you know, there's this thing in England going on right now.
I don't know if you know it, but London has, for the first time ever, passed the United States, passed New York City, rather.
For the most murders.
matt farah
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, ever.
matt farah
Since 1800. They're all just stabbing each other?
joe rogan
Stabbing each other.
So the London mayor, mayor of London on Twitter, wrote a tweet that has been getting him tortured online, saying there is no reason to have a knife.
matt farah
Oh, I saw that.
joe rogan
If we catch you with a knife, you will be...
We catch you.
You!
You!
Regular guy.
matt farah
You, regular guy.
joe rogan
Pocket knife.
I open packages.
I carry a knife.
I want to cut a piece of rope.
I have a knife on me.
He said, okay, not anymore.
No, in London, this guy's saying, if you have a knife and you're caught with one, you'll be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
And, of course, United States, we're going crazy over here.
Like, oh, I thought it was a gun problem.
I thought it was a fucking gun problem.
You're going to ban knives?
What's next?
Fucking scissors?
What are you going to do?
Where's this going to end?
Yeah.
matt farah
Yeah.
unidentified
I do have to think, I think we have a little bit of a gun problem.
joe rogan
We definitely have an issue.
unidentified
We have a gun problem.
joe rogan
We definitely have something going on.
But this smash and grab, these motherfuckers use machetes.
matt farah
That's gangster.
joe rogan
That's gangster.
Because they knew nobody had a gun.
You know, you try to use a machete and dudes behind the counter have shotguns.
You've got a real problem.
matt farah
Yeah.
jamie vernon
There's a homemade machete.
matt farah
A homemade machete?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
How gangster is that?
joe rogan
How do they know it's homemade?
Because they caught the guy?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it says, quotes, homemade.
joe rogan
They caught him.
In my house.
I made it right here.
Come on inside.
matt farah
Good for you.
I guess he didn't get away.
joe rogan
No.
matt farah
Good attempt.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's again, watches.
When you think about something small, like jewelry and watches, something that's this little, and something you fit in your hand can be worth a million dollars.
It's one of the only things in life where something that fits in your hand is worth a million dollars.
matt farah
Yeah, and there's also a lot of the mainstream brands like, you know, Rolex and whatever, there's a lot of false prop-up of the value.
They intentionally, you know, they don't build as many Submariners as they could because they want to drive the market up, demand up, and it keeps the used values high.
And there's an entire ecosystem, you know, based on new and used watch values.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think the craziest value thing...
And anything of, like, high-end things that people love is diamonds.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they're not even really that rare anymore.
matt farah
Yeah, didn't I just read, you can make them in a microwave now?
Isn't that a thing?
unidentified
A microwave?
matt farah
I read an article that they figured out how to make diamonds in a microwave.
unidentified
What?
Yeah.
joe rogan
How do they do that?
matt farah
The same way they fucking make them in a lab.
Someone figured out a process.
Carbon and heat.
joe rogan
You know, when they make them in a lab, it's really interesting.
I don't think they can make really big ones in a lab yet.
I think they can only make, like, one or two carats.
matt farah
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
I might be wrong.
matt farah
I would definitely be down with getting cremated and being turned into a diamond.
joe rogan
Here it goes.
Scientists have figured out a way to make diamonds in a microphone, and it could change the diamond industry.
Oh, shit.
It's over, bitches.
April 9th just happened, huh?
matt farah
Oh, yeah.
I read this article, and I just noticed now it's Business Insider.
I don't trust them.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Yeah.
Placing a tiny fragment of a diamond, a carbon seed, in a microwave with varying amounts of carbon-heavy gas.
The result is a synthetic ethical diamond with the exact same structure and chemical composition as a diamond that came from the ground.
It works so well, experts reportedly need machines to tell the lab-grown gems apart from the natural ones.
Estimated by 2026, the number of lab-made diamonds will skyrocket to 20 million carats.
So then, here's the thing.
matt farah
Anyone who owns a natural diamond, that diamond's now in the toilet.
You think so?
joe rogan
Yes.
Because they'll be like, this is natural.
This shit came from God itself.
matt farah
What if they can't tell the difference, though?
joe rogan
You go to a machine.
Like, this motherfucker's got a machine.
matt farah
Who's got a machine?
joe rogan
People would want to know.
They would want to know.
I need to know.
Is it machine certified that it came out of the ground?
matt farah
I don't know.
joe rogan
Is this Blood Diamond?
I only want Blood Diamonds.
matt farah
I got engaged a few months ago.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
And I got a great deal from somebody who I nicknamed Blood Diamond.
It's not a Blood Diamond, I assure you, but I just love calling him Blood Diamond.
unidentified
I just love it!
matt farah
And Hannah gets very upset.
Can you fucking stop it?
I don't want to wear this thing around anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah, well that's the thing too.
It's like they've got that business on lockdown.
Do you want to prove your love and your commitment to a relationship?
Well, you need to buy one of these.
You can't buy a fucking a car.
matt farah
Nope.
joe rogan
You can't buy an engagement car.
matt farah
I tried to do that actually.
I was going to propose with an engagement Jeep Wagoneer.
joe rogan
That's a good move.
matt farah
It was, until they get mad at you.
joe rogan
They want the diamond to show their friends.
Look, Matt stepped up.
He stepped up.
matt farah
Clarity is perfect.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
He stepped up.
Did Mike step up?
Mike didn't step up.
Matt stepped up.
Mike didn't step up.
Mike's like, fuck those fucking diamonds.
unidentified
They're all thieves.
joe rogan
You know, it's not really worth that much.
matt farah
CZs, bro.
joe rogan
Just need a CZ. If a girl found out that you had a fake diamond...
unidentified
That was the thing that happened to an aunt of mine.
matt farah
She found her diamond was fake?
joe rogan
Yeah, she was getting divorced.
And she went to bring her ring in.
She found out it was fake.
matt farah
Trump gave someone fake diamond cufflinks.
Who was that?
Someone in business, he gave him a pair of diamond cufflinks and he went and looked and they were fucking CZs.
joe rogan
If that's the case, if he did that to you, that guy's ready to fuck you.
He's about to make something go down.
matt farah
He's about to roll.
That guy's gonna roll.
Mueller.
Mueller.
joe rogan
That guy's steaming right now.
Fucking fake diamonds.
You don't respect me, Mr. Trump?
Well, I don't respect you.
Trump has been giving out fake diamond cufflinks for years.
Oh my God, he's hilarious.
He is hilarious.
Do they shrink his hands for those pictures on purpose?
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
Because his hands aren't little.
Everybody always calls his hands little.
There's something he does with his hands that make him look little.
It's like he does a lot of stuff like this.
matt farah
It could just be little in proportion to his head, which is gigantic.
joe rogan
And getting bigger, apparently.
He's going down now.
When they raided his attorney's offices, here's the thing.
In order to get all that stuff passed through, Republicans have to agree to that.
Actual Republicans and people that should be his supporters had to be a part of the whole process.
matt farah
I read that everyone that signed it was an appointee of his administration.
joe rogan
He's in trouble.
matt farah
If they're raiding your lawyer's office, you are so fucked.
joe rogan
And if it all goes down that he winds up getting in trouble, not even for Russia, but for paying off a chick that he had sex with...
matt farah
Imagine it's a porn chick that takes this whole thing down?
joe rogan
Listen, man, I need...
Oh, Justin Martindale, an apology.
He was saying that she's the Monica Lewinsky for this administration.
matt farah
Oh, come on!
unidentified
No way!
joe rogan
I was like, he's going to brush this off.
It's going to be nothing.
Nobody cares, because everybody knows...
They know he did it, so it's not...
matt farah
It's not even a question of whether he did it.
joe rogan
Right.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's a matter of whether or not it's legal.
matt farah
Yeah, it's a campaign finance violation.
joe rogan
That's a campaign finance.
matt farah
And then admitting to knowing about the payout is like admitting to obstruction.
It's like a whole other...
joe rogan
When he talked about it in that interview, when someone caught him getting onto his plane and he acknowledged the lawsuit.
matt farah
Whoops.
joe rogan
It's just he fucks up, man.
unidentified
He doesn't know how to shut the fuck up.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, his whole life has been about not shutting the fuck up, about saying whatever you want.
Like, that's his instincts.
And all of a sudden, you put him in this position.
matt farah
Accountability?
unidentified
What's that?
joe rogan
I want you to be a totally different thing now.
I want you to be presidential.
Meanwhile, he's trying to pick fights with Joe Biden on Twitter.
matt farah
You're not going to change a 70-year-old billionaire.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
You're not going to change that guy.
He's been told yes a thousand times a day for the last 40 years.
joe rogan
What do you think is going to happen with him?
Do you think they're going to kick him out?
matt farah
What do you think is going to happen?
Yeah, I think it's not going to...
joe rogan
I just don't see how he can make it through four years.
matt farah
I don't know.
joe rogan
It's only one year.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
One year and a couple months.
matt farah
It's very bad.
It's very bad.
jamie vernon
While we've been going on, Paul Ryan has announced that he's going to not seek re-election.
matt farah
Oh, thank God.
Fuck Paul Ryan.
joe rogan
He probably sees the writing on the wall.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
What does that guy do now?
matt farah
Apparently he had some kind of realistic challenger Democrat that has been really ramping up their campaign and he does not want to stick around to see how that's gonna go.
joe rogan
Really?
He doesn't want to lose?
matt farah
He doesn't want to get humiliated, yeah.
joe rogan
Wow, that's what it is, you think?
Or maybe he's just tired of all this shit.
unidentified
No way!
joe rogan
Maybe he needs to get paid for all those fucking bribes.
Like, now it's time.
jamie vernon
I saw the day that the former speaker, John Boehner, is now on the board of a major marijuana company.
matt farah
Yeah, he went all pro-legalization.
joe rogan
Gotta get that paper.
matt farah
How do you feel about this legalization situation?
joe rogan
I hate it.
matt farah
I hate it too!
joe rogan
I think they should lock people up.
Lock them up.
They're getting high.
Lock them up.
matt farah
But compared to Prop 215, compared to 17 to 18, what do you think?
joe rogan
What don't you like about it?
matt farah
Well, the 30% sales tax, which was inevitable, but...
joe rogan
This is what I like about that.
It's still reasonable.
You can get high on a very small amount of money for a long period of time.
That's true.
I don't think we should be complaining about that.
Two, I think we could show that there's a real benefit to legalization that benefits communities, benefits schools, firemen, police officers, whoever can get that money.
And I think that's where the money should be allocated.
And I think you could get billions of dollars for the state just doing that.
And I think that is a real positive aspect of legalization that might be the one thing that's going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back across the country.
When people realize that you can make real money and that real money can be beneficial to things that communities need.
Plus, you starve out illegal drug selling.
Illegal drug selling is what the real problem has always been.
When you make something illegal, only criminals are going to sell it, then you have criminal mentality.
You have people that have guns and gangs, and those are the people that we're scared of, not businesses.
If we were scared of businesses, we'd be trying to close liquor stores.
Nobody gives a shit about wineries.
You know, those are drug stores.
A winery is a drug dealer.
They are.
matt farah
They just sell delicious drugs.
About wine, yeah.
joe rogan
They just sell delicious drugs.
I mean, and I'm for them, 100%.
I love wine.
That's not my point.
matt farah
And Danica Patrick was selling wine, too, yeah.
joe rogan
Things should be legal.
Things should be legal.
And when marijuana is legal, tax the fucking shit out of it and give that money back to the community and everybody benefits.
People like you and I, who are responsible, grown adults, who pay our taxes and are good people, and we like to get high occasionally.
We should be able to buy it with no worry about being locked in a fucking cage, and that money should go to schools.
That money should go to fix the streets.
That money should go to cops and firemen.
That's what it should go to.
It should.
matt farah
Do we know where it's being allocated?
joe rogan
I have no idea.
I have no idea.
matt farah
No idea.
joe rogan
I would hope it's...
Here it goes.
I'm joining the board of Anchorage Holdings.
matt farah
Anchorage Holdings.
joe rogan
Anchorage, sorry.
Because my thinking on cannabis has evolved.
My man got high!
matt farah
Yeah.
I was anti, and then I got some of this good shit right here.
joe rogan
I'm convinced descheduling the drug is needed so that we can do research, help our veterans, and reverse the opioid epidemic ravaging our communities.
Yes, I agree.
And I would add to that, get high.
So we can get high.
jamie vernon
Put everyone out of jail.
matt farah
Is there evidence showing weed reduces opioid use?
It is, right?
joe rogan
Well, it really depends upon how it's used.
It can benefit some people with some kind of pain.
I don't think it's realistic to say that some people that are in horrible, horrible pain would get the same reaction from marijuana they get for opiates.
People with really bad Burns, for instance.
matt farah
Right, but if you just become addicted, for not medical reasons, I'm talking about if you become addicted to oxys.
joe rogan
There's better drugs.
There's better drugs that get you off it.
There's quite a few that can help you.
Probably the most powerful and the most efficient is ibogaine.
matt farah
Oh, yeah, like ayahuasca ibogaine?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Ibogaine is not ayahuasca.
Ayahuasca is a hallucinogenic That is from South America.
It's dimethyltryptamine.
Ibogaine is from the iboga tree.
Is that from Breaking Open the Head?
matt farah
There's a book called Breaking Open the Head?
joe rogan
I'm sure he covered that.
I'm sure he did.
But Ibogaine is something I haven't experienced, so I'm just talking out of what I've read.
Essentially a ruthlessly introspective 24-hour trip that rewires the way your brain views addiction and has a high level of Interesting.
In rehabilitating people.
Like, just killing the desire to do opiates.
unidentified
Huh.
matt farah
Are they doing that in America?
joe rogan
Mexico.
Gotta go to Mexico.
Can't go to America.
It's illegal in America, of course.
matt farah
Is it like a sweat lodge shaman type thing, or is it a hospital type situation?
joe rogan
Hospital type situations.
My buddy Ed Clay runs a, I think he still does, runs a clinic down in Mexico, and he started it because of his experiences with pills.
He got hurt, got on pain pills, had a real hard time with them, went to get on Ibogaine to get off the pain pills.
It worked like a charm.
And he was like, holy shit, I need to let people know about this.
You can get your life back.
And it's not something you get addicted to.
It's apparently something that you have a really hard time doing it again.
It's rough.
matt farah
Yeah, it's like, you go, okay, that was enough.
Yeah, like DMT. Exactly.
joe rogan
It's one of those things where...
matt farah
One was enough.
joe rogan
You did it once?
matt farah
Yeah, in college, and that was sufficient.
joe rogan
You can get a lot out of one.
matt farah
Yeah.
I had a plaid, plaid fucking world.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
Flying around, it was full out-of-body nuts.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
It's pretty nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think the difference in Ibogaine versus DMT, DMT is ego dissolving and very hallucinogenic and you see these amazing visualizations.
Ibogaine seems to not have that, but instead be like deeply, like to the cellular level, introspective.
And there's some sort of a physical action that happens in the way your brain...
The way your brain looks at addiction changes pretty radically.
matt farah
Do you need to be like coached through it or it just happens?
joe rogan
You should probably...
I think all those things should be done in places where people are going to feel safe and where people have done it before and where people have experience with people that have done it before.
Having a real center that has real professionals and medical health staff, that's what you want.
And the only thing that's keeping that from happening in America and keeping millions and millions of people from getting off pills.
matt farah
Drug companies.
joe rogan
Drug companies.
Drug companies lobbying to keep all these very helpful things illegal.
And we're slowly but surely going to work them out.
And the way we're going to work them out is through money.
That's why I like the fact that marijuana has a 30% tax.
Make it 50. I don't give a fuck.
What's a joint?
How much is a joint?
A joint can get you high all day.
Think about what a drink is.
unidentified
A drink.
joe rogan
You go to a bar, you get a drink.
How much does a drink cost?
matt farah
Eight dollars?
joe rogan
Yeah.
$8 worth of weed will fuck you up for many days.
matt farah
I don't know about many days.
joe rogan
Two days.
matt farah
Maybe one day.
joe rogan
How much is a joint?
matt farah
Maybe half a day.
If you're buying a pre-roll joint, like $10, $12.
jamie vernon
That was $25.
joe rogan
This is $25.
matt farah
That's like a fat cigar godfather.
joe rogan
That will put you on Pluto.
You'll be over there with David Bowie.
matt farah
I know, but it was $25 last month, and now it's $33.
jamie vernon
A shot of McAllen, though, is well over 25, probably, at any bar.
matt farah
Yes, it is.
joe rogan
He's right.
matt farah
All right, fine, fine.
My taxes on my weed are good.
Fine.
joe rogan
Thank you.
matt farah
Ten years I've been buying legal weed, and all of a sudden I want to buy illegal weed because of the taxes, and you just talked to me, guilted me even, back into legal weed.
joe rogan
I'm happy to pay it, and I think that it's, you know, I understand.
Like, yeah, man, maybe it's okay for you.
I get it, I get it.
matt farah
No, I'm not making that point.
joe rogan
No, you're not, but some people would.
But I'm saying the money, if it goes to a good cause, if we really can change the way people perceive drugs.
Because there's not a war on drugs.
That is a lie.
There's drugs everywhere.
They're prescribed.
You can get them at a drugstore.
You can get them at a liquor store.
You can get drugs.
There's a lot of drugs.
It's just certain drugs.
matt farah
The ones that they can't You know, corporatize as easily.
joe rogan
So the way to get it in is not through the corporation's influence, but through the influence of the consumer.
The consumer paying exorbitant amount of taxes on these things willingly is going to change the opinion.
matt farah
I like weed being legal.
I'll pay the fucking tax.
joe rogan
That's right.
matt farah
I will.
joe rogan
There we go.
matt farah
I was just curious.
Look, selfishly, totally selfishly, my own benefit, I, as a guy who jumped through the one hoop and got a $40 medical card, Was happy to have it be called medicine and get it and have it legally and not pay taxes on it.
joe rogan
Right.
matt farah
Now, it seems like it's the same, except I'm paying the tax on it.
joe rogan
It is the same, but it's progress because the money's going into the community.
matt farah
I hope.
joe rogan
I hope.
matt farah
If it is, that's great.
joe rogan
Let's find out where it goes.
Let's take a guess.
I hope it goes towards...
Law enforcement.
I hope it's divvied up between law enforcement and education.
How about that?
Let's find out.
matt farah
I hope it goes to education, but something tells me it's not.
joe rogan
I just feel like it's going to be so much money.
Like Colorado had to give tax money back to its state residents.
unidentified
Oh, so much.
matt farah
Oh, do they really?
You get a refund?
joe rogan
They gave it back because there's so much money being made by weed.
matt farah
That's like Alaska.
It's like the oil pipeline.
joe rogan
Exactly.
matt farah
You have negative state taxes.
joe rogan
Ugh.
unidentified
Boss!
joe rogan
I don't know if they have negative state taxes, but I know they gave people refunds.
They gave people money back because they made so much money on taxes.
matt farah
That's awesome.
joe rogan
It's fucking amazing.
matt farah
That's awesome.
If that happens in California, keep my fucking 30% sales tax.
joe rogan
Real estate went up 14%.
Since marijuana was legalized.
unidentified
Instead of going down, like a lot of people thought, well, the real estate's gonna crash, people are gonna move out, there's potheads gonna be in the streets!
joe rogan
Nope.
matt farah
A friend of mine wants to open a cannabis club, and there's a small area in the green zone where you can do that, and I'm like, great, here's your map of the green zone.
I go, okay, what's for sale in the green zone?
Nothing.
Not a single building.
joe rogan
So this is like a place where you can get high, like, publicly?
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a cigar bar?
matt farah
Yes.
There's a lot of rules.
A lot.
And there's a very restrictive of where you can put it, and you absolutely, under no circumstances, can have a drop of alcohol anywhere on the premises.
joe rogan
Ah, interesting.
So if somebody comes in with a beer, you're fucked.
matt farah
You can't take, yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta kick them out.
matt farah
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
Yeah.
But in West Hollywood, there will be places where you can go and smoke on-premises.
joe rogan
That's gonna be weird, huh?
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
Go get high with a bunch of strangers?
matt farah
Yeah.
It makes sense in Amsterdam, because it's a walking city, and you can use your coffee shop tour to walk around the city and go from coffee shop to coffee shop and sightsee, and it's really nice.
joe rogan
Sober up.
matt farah
But in L.A., what are you, driving from coffee shop to coffee shop?
unidentified
Fucking come on.
matt farah
Nobody walks here.
What are you going to do?
joe rogan
Drive there?
It's going to be like that scene with Ray Liotta and Goodfellas with the helicopters flying overhead and he's freaking out.
matt farah
I remade that scene frame for frame and it got kicked off YouTube because you have to use the real music and I got trademark infringement.
But I did it frame for frame with the helicopters.
joe rogan
What do you mean you did it?
matt farah
I remade that helicopter chase scene with me for a car review.
I was reviewing Cadillac and I did the fucking thing.
I threw the bag in.
I went up looking at helicopters and we did the...
joe rogan
So what was the problem?
Did you use the same music?
matt farah
Yeah, the actual music.
joe rogan
Rolling Stones, right?
matt farah
Yeah, you have to use the actual music.
Otherwise, it's not Rolling Stones.
What is it?
unidentified
Hmm.
matt farah
It's not Layla.
It's Layla?
No.
Fucking hell.
Whatever it is, you have to use the exact music, and it didn't work.
It got kicked off of YouTube.
It's too bad.
Spent a lot of time made in that.
joe rogan
Well, they're really good at spotting copyright music now, or anything copywritten.
matt farah
I thought I could get around it if I didn't monetize the video, but it didn't help.
joe rogan
You know when we get fucked?
Whenever we put up a video of any nature thing, like a bear killing something or something like that, those are all bought by someone, almost like patent trolls.
When people put them up, they just take it down.
You have to offer them money.
matt farah
Like stock footage companies or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, all that stuff gets yanked down off of Facebook.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
YouTube and Facebook.
Those are two places that stuff gets...
matt farah
Facebook, like, I don't put videos on Facebook anymore because it just gets stolen immediately.
Yeah.
And also their revenue is...
joe rogan
What do you mean by it gets stolen?
matt farah
It's very easy for someone to rip your video off of, you know, Facebook.
Well, put it somewhere else on Facebook and whatever, versus if they re-upload it somewhere else on YouTube, the software algorithm will generally catch it.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
So the software algorithm in Facebook is not as effective?
matt farah
Yeah, they don't really give a shit.
joe rogan
They don't care.
They're too busy selling your information to the fucking Russians!
matt farah
Totally.
joe rogan
Jamie was watching the video of Zuckerberg.
matt farah
Did you watch Zuckerberg?
How did it go?
unidentified
I was driving.
joe rogan
He should know the answer to that.
jamie vernon
He had to go again today.
I was watching right before you got here.
I don't know where she was from, but she was saying, you're the CEO of this company, and you should know some of these answers.
She was listing all the shit he didn't know.
I was like, this is ridiculous.
Afterwards, now they've shown, which I guess it's part of now public information, his notes that he had as references that he was looking at.
I've only seen one picture of it.
Just very weird stuff that seems blatantly obvious that he should know or should say that's different from what we think.
Maybe we think they should be able to tell us.
matt farah
I get the impression that this company grew so fast that they don't even know what the fuck is going on in there.
joe rogan
Well, that was the other thing.
He was talking about their influence on possible...
matt farah
Are we going to continue?
joe rogan
Yeah, we'll continue.
Don't worry about it.
He was talking about his influence on all these different upcoming elections that were coming up and about how they wanted to make sure that there was no bots that were Influencing these elections and I stopped and thought about it.
I'm like, oh my god In that moment of him saying that I realized like what pressure he must be under what pressure that company's under there They went from being a thing where people could share pictures like of hey, this is us on our summer vacation like hey, you know fucking we're gonna go to the pub on Friday and That's what Facebook kind of was, right?
People would talk about certain things in the news, they would have opinions, you put up something, a bunch of people comment on it.
That's what it was.
Now, with this last election, and with him testifying in front of Congress, what I'm seeing is Facebook being like one of the most important sources of influence in the world today, and it's not really being completely managed.
The Russians.
jamie vernon
Yeah, maybe.
There's a little bit like Google needs to be looked into.
What's going on with my mic?
Google also probably.
They have a data.
I think someone was just looking into this.
People downloaded their Facebook profile and they're like, my file's one gigabyte.
How much data is in here?
People found out a way to download theirs and find their information.
What does Facebook know about me?
Apparently there's also one that Google has on everyone and it's much larger.
joe rogan
Cue the music.
unidentified
Dun, dun, dun.
joe rogan
I'm not shocked.
You know, I wouldn't be nervous if it wasn't for that.
That Damore memo thing really changed my mind about a lot of things.
Not because, you know, it's a subject that's near and dear to my heart, but because the way they were handling it was not...
They weren't being honest.
They weren't being honest about the science.
They weren't being honest about the reaction.
Even the way they were describing it, we're talking about the James Damore Google memo.
matt farah
Oh, I don't know.
Was that the sexism thing?
What was that?
joe rogan
Well, it was talking about women in tech.
He was trying to explain why some women are not influenced by it.
The way Google handled it made me very nervous because they weren't being honest about the information.
They weren't being honest about the results.
They weren't being honest about what was in his.
They were saying he was reinforcing harmful gender stereotypes.
That's not what he was doing.
What he was talking about is the science of the difference in the psychology between men and women and why women would gravitate towards different careers.
Maybe that's why more women aren't in tech, and maybe there's ways to get women in tech.
matt farah
Well, you've taken that angle before, right, with women in fighting and women in sports, right?
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's some women that are not going to want to be into those things.
There's some women that are going to be.
What is the number in comparison to men?
It's less likely that a woman's going to be into fighting than a man.
I don't think that's extraordinary to say, but a lot of women are into it.
It doesn't mean that it's impossible, but it's just we're looking at human beings.
If you're an outlier and you're a woman who really loves to fight...
There's nothing wrong with that.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but I am saying it's much more rare than a woman who wants to become a nurse or do something that's traditionally a female caregiver sort of a position, which is really common.
matt farah
And I didn't read it.
Did the letter memo indicate that science says women were less predisposed to becoming programmers or something like that?
joe rogan
No.
No, it just was talking about gender choices and choices people make and why they make them based on personality traits and why things are more common.
Certain things are more common in males.
Certain things are more common in women.
And that this would indicate why there were less women that were involved in tech.
And it wasn't some systemic sort of discrimination campaign put on by men.
You know, but...
My point was we were talking about them having all the information that you have, like Google and Facebook, how much information they have on you.
It would make me less nervous.
If I didn't know about that, how they handled that Google memo thing.
Because I'm like, well, you guys aren't being honest about what this is.
What the guy wrote.
You're painting the guy out to be a villain.
And you think if you fire him and drown this, that this story goes out.
And then you guys get to look like social justice warriors.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you don't take the heat from what, you know, is an objective analysis of this issue.
matt farah
Well, I'm not sure Mark Zuckerberg has a lot of incentive to be totally honest in this case.
Either he's totally honest and he's malicious, or he's totally honest and he's almost comically ignorant about certain things.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think he's almost got to say he doesn't know, but the problem is if they can prove he knows.
jamie vernon
I mean, he should know, though, I feel like also part of the issue.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing, he should know.
Now, him saying he doesn't know, what if they can pull up an email?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, what if they have access to all of his emails and it shows that he knows?
jamie vernon
I was talking to you yesterday about it and we were like, what about the Facebook recording thing?
Is anybody going to bring that up?
And it was brought up and he said that they don't record audio.
joe rogan
Facebook doesn't.
You were talking about it with Google, weren't you?
Were you talking about it with Google?
That if you were talking in a room about a certain subject...
matt farah
You've had that happen, right?
jamie vernon
That's the Apple HomePod.
matt farah
You've been talking about something in a room and then had pop-up ads come up, right?
joe rogan
No, I haven't.
matt farah
You never have?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I believe it, though.
Have you had it?
matt farah
It happened to me before.
I don't know how I couldn't tell you where the signals went, but I've definitely had strange, it could be a coincidence, but I've had strange ads pop up that are...
jamie vernon
I read that, I don't know if it's accurate though, but I was reading that people have tried to prove, and it could be people on Facebook's side just to give them propaganda, that that's almost nearly impossible to do right now.
Just because of the technology it would take to record your audio, have it...
Scan by something and then deliver and add to you based off of that in amount of time.
matt farah
Is it possible?
It's entirely possible I could have looked at something similar at a recent time and it was just far enough away for me to not make an exact connection.
joe rogan
I don't want to say some shit that ain't true.
I think what it represents, though, is that you recognize that that is potentially in the future.
Oh, for sure.
Especially with things like Alexa and things like HomePod and the Google Home.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
I mean, devices that are designed to listen to your voice.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
That's the whole point of them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
You know?
joe rogan
Is all this good?
matt farah
I don't know, dude.
I get a lot of shit done.
I'm real productive.
I have things that would be very difficult to find that can be delivered.
Bro, I have a 2001 Mercedes SL500. It's my traffic car.
It's perfect for traffic.
A nice big Clarion system.
joe rogan
You have a traffic car.
matt farah
It's great.
I love my traffic car.
And it's got the old school removable hardtop, so I needed to get the stand to put the hardtop on when I took it off, right?
Amazon, 12 hours.
I had a stand for a 2001 Mercedes delivered to my house.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
That level of convenience?
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
I'll give up a little privacy.
joe rogan
A little bit.
matt farah
A little bit?
unidentified
A little bit.
matt farah
I'm fine.
I'll give it up.
You can have it.
joe rogan
That's what's going to get us.
That's what's going to get us to turn us into machines.
Just give up a little bit here, a little bit there, a little bit here, a little bit there.
matt farah
I don't want to give up all of it.
I'm definitely opposed to vehicle tracking.
joe rogan
Yes.
matt farah
You know, like about having a car that knows where you've been and tells somebody about it, which a certain company does do that.
joe rogan
What company is this?
matt farah
Well, Teslas know where you've been.
Well, don't they all by virtue of their GPS? But Teslas are wirelessly connected to Tesla.
So part of the reason Tesla's semi-autonomous system works as well as it does, and part of the reason Tesla is...
Doing what they're doing as a company is your cars, all Teslas on the road, are collecting mapping data for Tesla in real time.
So they can be ethical with that data or they cannot.
And odds are they don't give a shit where you're going other than to help them figure out where to put the next superchargers and whatnot.
And in general, you have to assume to improve your experience.
But if you extrapolate this 50 years down the road and some of our privacies get worn away, you could end up with a car that...
Where, you know, where it's very easy to subpoena the records of your Tesla and find out exactly where you went.
joe rogan
So a Tesla would be the worst car if you were like a bank robber.
matt farah
Fuck yeah.
unidentified
First of all, if you're a bank robber, you need analog.
joe rogan
Analog.
matt farah
Big fuel tank.
Think Transporter 1, Jason Statham.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
That's what you want.
Big fuel cell.
Black.
Late model car.
joe rogan
What's that?
Invisible black again?
matt farah
A Vantablack?
joe rogan
Vantablack.
Does anybody have a Vantablack car?
matt farah
No.
joe rogan
No one?
Someone right now is listening.
matt farah
They haven't painted anything big in it yet.
joe rogan
No one yet, motherfucker.
I have Vantacar on the way.
matt farah
There's some weird environmental shit with Vantablack.
Because John Ward was telling me that...
joe rogan
Oh, there is one.
matt farah
No, that is velvet, my friend.
joe rogan
Velvet?
matt farah
That's fucking velvet.
joe rogan
Ew.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
That's real?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
matt farah
That says Vantablack, but that's not Vantablack.
That is a velvet car.
jamie vernon
That's on Rodeo.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
This Rolls Royce is not a Vantablack?
matt farah
It's not Vantablack.
joe rogan
Is it impossible?
matt farah
It says it is there.
I'm telling you, they haven't painted a car in Vantablack.
So either that's fake or it's the velvet shit they're doing now.
jamie vernon
I think that's a computer.
matt farah
It's effectively wood.
Yeah, wood.
joe rogan
Oh, wood it would look like.
Now, what is it made out of that allows it to get to this level of darkness?
matt farah
You know, I don't know.
It is just crazy looking.
joe rogan
That looks dope.
matt farah
Joe, please don't make a velvet car.
We can't be friends anymore.
I saw Justin Bieber once driving around in a leopard print Audi.
joe rogan
Oh, he's got to do what he's got to do.
If you were 23 years old and drowning in pussy, you'd probably do the same thing.
matt farah
I think this was years ago.
joe rogan
He was probably 19. He's probably trying to keep them away from him.
He's probably trying to have the grossest looking car possible just to say, look, stay away from my dick.
He needs to recover.
matt farah
Who of your crazy guests has rolled up to your studio in the dopest car?
Does anything come to mind?
Did Bilzerian roll up in that 6x6 he's got?
joe rogan
There's the leopard print!
matt farah
I told you I wasn't bullshitting.
I saw that thing for real.
joe rogan
That is so gross.
That's a disgusting car.
matt farah
I bet you didn't even really believe me until you saw that.
unidentified
No, I did.
joe rogan
Because I knew he had a chrome...
matt farah
Fisker.
Fisker.
joe rogan
That's right.
Fisker Karma, wasn't it?
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
And they just re-released that thing.
joe rogan
I heard they did that.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt farah
A company bought all the assets and...
joe rogan
They started blowing up when they hit water.
They're trying again.
matt farah
I asked for one for review.
unidentified
Did you?
joe rogan
They said no.
matt farah
I was politely declined.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wonder why.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got a big mouth.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're going to drive through a puddle and it's going to explode and you're going to tell people.
matt farah
Call him like I see him.
joe rogan
Yeah, electric cars, man, there's a bright future.
It's just I don't want to jump in yet, and I don't want anything driving for me.
matt farah
True.
Have you driven an electric car ever?
joe rogan
Yeah, I've driven a Tesla.
matt farah
They're nice.
joe rogan
They're nice.
matt farah
It's weird.
joe rogan
It feels weird.
matt farah
It does, but in an urban environment, you can see why it's a nice experience.
When I drive an electric car, there's the chrome Fisker.
When I drive an electric car and I get where I'm going, I am noticeably more relaxed than when I'm driving a gas car, especially if I'm driving a loud sports car.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
matt farah
Those vibrations and stuff go through your body and kind of like stick with you versus the serenity of that silence.
joe rogan
Just the 250 mile range annoys the shit out of me.
matt farah
Yeah, yeah.
No, they need infrastructure.
Like, considering how many Teslas are in Los Angeles, there's an embarrassingly small number of superchargers in this city.
There's not a lot of places to charge a Tesla outside of your home.
joe rogan
Right.
matt farah
And they really need to do the infrastructure and they need to come up with a faster charging solution, which Porsche, it seems, may have done.
Porsche has a new electric car coming out called the Mission E, which is a Tesla fighting thing.
And they supposedly have a fast charging system that can do like an 80% charge in 10 minutes or something.
unidentified
Whoa.
matt farah
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
matt farah
So, you know...
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Ten minutes is pretty close to gas.
matt farah
Ten minutes is fast.
joe rogan
Like gas is three, right?
matt farah
Yeah, three to five.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
Ten is fine.
joe rogan
Ten works.
matt farah
Yeah.
Ten's good.
And a competitor's good because, you know, Tesla's, you can't charge them for free anymore.
joe rogan
You don't?
matt farah
No.
The Model 3s and the new ones, they don't come with free charging anymore.
joe rogan
These motherfuckers, that's how they get you.
matt farah
Five dollar rocks, first one's free.
joe rogan
Oh, that's how they get you.
matt farah
Yep.
No more free juice.
joe rogan
Wow.
How long was it free for?
matt farah
A few years.
2013, the Model S came out in four years or so.
joe rogan
So what happens when you pull into the airport and you go to one of them electric spots?
matt farah
Credit card.
Or you have a, you know, a RFID fob or something.
unidentified
Motherfuckers.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
These motherfuckers.
matt farah
Gotta pay to play, my friend.
joe rogan
Why can't they figure out how, with all the sun in LA, to have a solar-powered car?
matt farah
Uh, you just...
It's just not possible with photovoltaic cells to generate enough juice.
Dude, it takes so much juice to move a 4,000-pound car down the road.
So much more than turning on a light or playing a radio.
That mass movement, it takes so much energy.
joe rogan
Fisker had something on the roof that powers the radio, right?
matt farah
Yeah, I know.
There are a couple of...
Fisker was one.
Someone else did a photovoltaic roof where it circulates the air when it's really hot out or it can pre-turn on certain things and shit like that.
But it's not enough to run or charge a car.
unidentified
What if that's going to change in the future?
joe rogan
I don't know.
matt farah
Have solar panels really...
Have they come that far yet?
Well, Tesla has a roof tile.
Have you seen this?
joe rogan
Yeah, I have.
matt farah
The Tesla roof tile.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's fascinating.
matt farah
They're trying to do a Tesla solar tile that goes on your roof that then will feed into the Tesla battery pack that hangs on your wall, you know, and then you can be...
joe rogan
Autonomous.
matt farah
Basically.
joe rogan
Sort of, but you're still on the grid.
matt farah
Yes.
joe rogan
And you give money back to the thing.
The reason why they do that, they don't want you being completely off the grid.
They don't want the grid to die.
matt farah
Right.
joe rogan
You know, people are really worried about that.
matt farah
Well, I'm building a building right now.
So get this, LA, you know, I'm a Democrat, but LA will make you want to hang yourself building shit.
So I have to prep my building for solar panels, whether I put them on or not.
If I put them on, they're $92,000 to cover the roof and solar panels.
And I will pay...
They pay themselves off in seven years.
So I generate $12,000 or so a year in power.
And then after that, I'm fully...
Fully positive, and the city will pay me every year.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
And they pay themselves off in seven years, and the lifespan of them is 20 years, so I could potentially have many years of free power.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you're...
You're building...
matt farah
I'm building a collector car storage facility.
Here's where I plug it.
It's called Westside Collector Car Storage.
It's going to be in Playa Vista, California, which is the sweet new part of LA. Beautiful area.
Yeah.
Do you know where the Clippers practice facility is?
unidentified
No.
matt farah
You've seen that?
unidentified
No.
matt farah
It's right next to the Fox Hills Mall, right by LAX, Venice.
It's conveniently located.
And I'm going to have storage for 150 cars.
It's going to be secure, climate control, the whole deal.
joe rogan
So you're doing it as an investment?
matt farah
As a business.
Yeah, as a business.
Ground up.
It's for customers.
It's not for me.
And we're building a cool studio there like this, like you've got instead of my shanty little studio now.
joe rogan
So you're going to do a podcast for me as well?
matt farah
Hell yeah.
And the podcast studio is going to be elevated.
So we have car stackers.
So I have 24 high stackers.
And the studio is elevated and we'll just look out.
Over the stacked cars, yeah.
It's gonna be killer.
But I have to comply with a lot of California environmental craziness.
I have to put a fire hydrant in.
Like, for the city.
Like, I have to do it for the city to get a building permit.
joe rogan
Well, it kind of makes sense if your fucking cars catch on fire.
You got a lot of gasoline in that one spot.
matt farah
Yeah, yeah.
The fire system that we have to build is incredible.
joe rogan
I would imagine.
matt farah
Yeah, and we have to have auxiliary pumps.
It flows 3,500 gallons a minute.
joe rogan
Wow.
matt farah
And every car, so the stacks, every car on a stack has two nozzles at it, front and back.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
The whole way.
Every car has its own set of nozzles.
unidentified
Wow.
matt farah
Yeah.
So if a fire starts over here, it's completely contained over here, and the idea is that it doesn't...
joe rogan
And do they kick on automatically?
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
matt farah
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's great.
matt farah
That'd be really neat.
But I'm like four years into this now.
joe rogan
Have you broken ground yet?
matt farah
Hopefully next week.
unidentified
Wow!
matt farah
Hopefully next week.
unidentified
Four years.
matt farah
My permits just got approved.
joe rogan
Wow, that's dope, dude.
Come back on when it's done.
matt farah
Oh, it'll be great.
joe rogan
Come back on when it's done.
I'm so excited.
unidentified
We'll promote it.
joe rogan
Let people know.
matt farah
Thank you.
joe rogan
We've been doing this for like three hours and a half.
Is there anything else?
matt farah
Nah.
joe rogan
Is there any other shit going on?
matt farah
No, I'm just happy to see you.
joe rogan
I'm happy to see you too, man.
matt farah
I'm sorry I didn't get to come to your New Year's show because I made it a tradition two years in a row.
joe rogan
All over this place.
matt farah
I know.
I liked your new special too.
joe rogan
Thank you.
matt farah
The one where it was cropped tight?
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt farah
I liked that very much.
joe rogan
I'm doing that with my next one too.
I'm trying to make it like you're sitting in the audience.
matt farah
That's great.
joe rogan
That's the idea behind it.
matt farah
Like Chappelle's tiny one he did in the belly room.
I was at Gotham Comedy Club when he first told that Iceberg Slim story when he came back from Africa.
I was friends with Chris Mazzilli and he's like, come down, Chappelle's back.
joe rogan
You know Chris?
matt farah
Yeah, from back in New York.
He has a Corvette Stingray like yours.
joe rogan
Does he really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Shout out to Chris.
matt farah
Shout out to Chris Mazzilli.
That special was good, and Judah Friedlander's was amazing.
joe rogan
Is it on Netflix?
matt farah
Yeah.
It's called America's the Best Country in the United States.
It is so good.
joe rogan
Alright, beautiful.
unidentified
I'll check it out.
It's so good.
matt farah
Thanks for having me, man.
unidentified
It's just fun.
joe rogan
My pleasure, man.
My pleasure.
The Smoking Tire on Twitter, The Smoking Tire on Instagram, the podcast.
You got two.
matt farah
The Smoking Tire Podcast and Watch and Listen Podcast.
Check them out anywhere you find podcasts.
joe rogan
Matt Farrell, ladies and gentlemen.
matt farah
Joe Rogan, ladies and gentlemen.
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