April 4, 2018 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Four, three, two, one. | |
| And we're live! | ||
| This is a bummer of a fight week, but also an awesome fight week. | ||
| I'm very excited. | ||
| Did you see the latest countdown? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| All Access? | ||
| What do they call it? | ||
| No. | ||
| Embedded? | ||
| Embedded, yeah. | ||
| I'm always trying to come up with a name. | ||
| They're all the same, but All Access, Embedded, 24-7. | ||
| Embedded is very good. | ||
| I should remember the name. | ||
| It's very good. | ||
| They're all Yeah, they're all good. | ||
| And this new one is really good, because it's got Max Holloway running on a treadmill, two treadmills over from Nurmagomedov, who's also running on a treadmill. | ||
| And they're fucking very cool to each other. | ||
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They're cool. | |
| It's very interesting. | ||
| Khabib thanked him for taking the fight, which he should. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which he should. | ||
| Thanks for taking the fight. | ||
| And then they have the same weight coach. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Lockhart, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's Lockhart. | ||
| Yeah, it's Lockhart. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Is Lockhart working with Nurmagomedov as well? | ||
| Yes, both of them. | ||
| So Lockhart is legit. | ||
| He goes over calculations of how much you weigh, how much water you're going to take, and he's weighing things out. | ||
| It took him an hour and a half to do the calculations. | ||
| It wasn't like, hey, we're going to wing this. | ||
| It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| We're going to do this weight cut correctly. | ||
| And he's got it down to the day. | ||
| It's six days to lose... | ||
| I think he was 171? | ||
| I was wondering, what did he start at? | ||
| Is it 171? | ||
| Yeah, so I think he's got to lose 16 pounds. | ||
| What's crazy is... | ||
| When Max was on my show, I was talking to him a little bit off air, and this is on record, I'm not spilling anything that he didn't say, but he just goes, you know, with the injury, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Embedded, I think, is better than that UFC, not UFC, the HBO ones. | ||
| I think it's better than all of them. | ||
| The 24-7? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How dare you. | ||
| I think it's better than all of them. | ||
| The 24-7 when there's a big fight? | ||
| Yeah, you know why? | ||
| Because this is raw. | ||
| Well, I think in general they're better because they do more of it, but a 24-7, they're fucking They're very good. | ||
| With Leif Shriver? | ||
| Oh, I love that guy. | ||
| Bro, watch your words, son. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| But I like these better. | ||
| Remember when they had the alley cat Leif Shriver? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like, tonight, here we go. | ||
| But it was nowhere near the same. | ||
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It was no good. | |
| Yeah, it was horrible. | ||
| I like this because there's almost no narration, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's almost just all the story. | ||
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It tells us the footage. | |
| I want to see the footage. | ||
| I would have liked the video of when they called Max with the fight. | ||
| Because from what I heard, he goes, Khabib, that's the toughest guy in the world. | ||
| Fuck yeah, let's go. | ||
| Which is insane. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Why don't they have a video of that? | ||
| No one knew. | ||
| I don't think they knew, you know, to turn the video on. | ||
| I don't think Max knew why they were calling. | ||
| That would be an amazing video. | ||
| Especially if he wins. | ||
| This is my thing with Max is I think Khabib is the toughest fight in the world on six days notice. | ||
| I'd rather fight anybody else in the world than Khabib on six days because his style and just his tenacity. | ||
| But for Max, win, lose, or draw, whatever happens Saturday night, if you don't respect and like him even more after this, you're a moron. | ||
| You're a fucking moron. | ||
| There's very few champions on a run like Max Holloway's on that would be willing to take this fight on six days notice. | ||
| And also, I should say, coming off of a broken foot. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| So he had to pull out of a fight with a broken foot with Frankie Edgar, which just happened. | ||
| So, I mean, how healed is he? | ||
| And like I said, on my show, he was saying, you know, I've been doing some jiu-jitsu, been in the swing of things. | ||
| For me, it's good because I haven't been balls deep into training. | ||
| I've just been in a little jiu-jitsu, you know, getting a light workout, but it gives me time with my family. | ||
| And he goes, you know this, in camp, you're present, but you're not, which is true. | ||
| And he goes, you know, so I'm going through it. | ||
| I'm with my son and the family, but I'm thinking about something else. | ||
| So this has been good for me to really focus on my family. | ||
| That was, what, two weeks ago? | ||
| Three weeks ago? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So then, bam, you're fighting Khabib. | ||
| And the reason why he wants to fight Khabib is because he thinks Khabib's the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. | ||
| Which is nuts because when you look at Khabib's resume, it's good. | ||
| It doesn't blow your hair back. | ||
| He's 25-0, for God's sake. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| But it's not like all this crazy, you know big names on his record, but you talked I was just in San Jose John Fitch goes dude. | ||
| And this is John Fitch. | ||
| Yeah, you know could be you know Wilterweight goat. | ||
| He's fucking not go. | ||
| He's goddamn good. | ||
| He goes I've never seen anyone my lifetime like could be he goes I fought GSP in his prime. | ||
| He would beat him That's how good he is. | ||
| DC said he's the pound for pound greatest fighters ever seen DC said that he hand fights with him and Like, DC's, well, the heavyweight Strikeforce champion. | ||
| He said, he goes, dude, we go to war. | ||
| We go to war. | ||
| War. | ||
| Like, imagine that? | ||
| DC's a gorilla. | ||
| He's jacked. | ||
| I mean, DC's got some body fat on him. | ||
| He's strong as a fucking ox. | ||
| DC's so goddamn talented. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| It's not even funny. | ||
| Watch when DC throws Josh Barnett through the air. | ||
| When they fought Strikeforce, you just go, Jesus! | ||
| Remember when he did the Hendo? | ||
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He's a beast! | |
| Dude! | ||
| Dude, the Hendo fight was offensive. | ||
| He's a goddamn American. | ||
| It was offensive. | ||
| He ragdolled Hendo. | ||
| And couldn't be a cooler guy. | ||
| The nicest guy ever. | ||
| DC might be the nicest fighter of all time. | ||
| One of my favorite people, him or Max. | ||
| They're up there. | ||
| I love them both. | ||
| The nicest fighters of all time. | ||
| I don't know Max as well as I know DC because I've done so many shows with him. | ||
| But for DC, as good as he is, to say that him and Khabib go to war, I'm like... | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| Dude, Josh Thompson, who's the captain of AK, said, you know, Ed Ruth, Penn State, three-time national champion, freak! | ||
| Just started doing MMA and Bellator. | ||
| Complete freak wrestling. | ||
| I was in San Jose, and I did a show with him, and I go, what were you doing? | ||
| He goes, I just came from practice, Khabib's second-to-last practice. | ||
| I go, what was he doing? | ||
| He goes, just straight wrestling. | ||
| I said, who was he wrestling? | ||
| He goes, Ed Ruth. | ||
| I go, oh my god, the Penn State legend? | ||
| He goes, yeah, man. | ||
| I go, how's that go down? | ||
| He's like... | ||
| The only one of them's going down, and ain't Khabib. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| Ed Ruth? | ||
| And he goes, oh. | ||
| He goes, bro, I've never seen anything like it. | ||
| What? | ||
| There's just this legend of Khabib. | ||
| When they tell me that, it scares me. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| What? | ||
| What are we going to do? | ||
| You see it in action when you saw the Barboza fight. | ||
| He's walking towards him like a zombie, gets a hold of him, and just ragdolls him. | ||
| Just ragdolls him. | ||
| But this is what's great about this fight, and this is what makes our sport so special. | ||
| Yeah, I'm super bummed. | ||
| I've been in deep depression because Ferguson fell out, and we've talked about this off air. | ||
| But our sport's so special because what Max Holloway has the chance to do Saturday night, if he can beat him, if he can somehow pull that out, there's nothing like in professional sports. | ||
| There's nothing like it. | ||
| If LeBron goes out, the team still goes on. | ||
| It's whatever. | ||
| If Tom Brady gets hurt, it sucks, but they still play. | ||
| Here, you know... | ||
| Man, Max has a huge chance. | ||
| Now, are the odds stacked against him? | ||
| Good God, are they ever. | ||
| There couldn't be a worse matchup for him. | ||
| But, what's the one Achilles heel, if there is one, for Khabib? | ||
| A guy who can strike going backwards. | ||
| Max Holloway's pretty fucking good at going backwards. | ||
| Yeah, it's a fascinating fight if there was no controversy. | ||
| If it wasn't like a six-day time period for him. | ||
| But that's what's so great. | ||
| I know it's kind of cool. | ||
| The only other fight that's been like that was Nate, when Nate took on Conor in the first fight. | ||
| Here's the difference, though. | ||
| Nate's the bigger guy, right? | ||
| Nate's the bigger guy, the more seasoned guy there. | ||
| So for Nate, it's like, yeah, it was short notice, but that's a rough matchup for Conor. | ||
| You know, Conor should be an underdog in that fight. | ||
| They don't even fight at the same weight class. | ||
| So that makes a little more sense. | ||
| But wait a minute. | ||
| They do. | ||
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Nate fights at 55. Before that, though, he's fighting at 70, right? | |
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| He only fought three times at 70. But he fought at 70 is the point. | ||
| He fought at 70. Conor's never fought at 70. Right. | ||
| But when Conor fought him at 70, that was 70. Yeah, Conor's never fought. | ||
| He's not a 70-pounder. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But, I mean, Nate, when he fought 70, it didn't go well. | ||
| I mean, who did he fight? | ||
| He fought Rory McDonald at 70. Tough matchup. | ||
| Who else did he fight? | ||
| What else did he fight at 70? | ||
| He lost his fights at 70, I think. | ||
| No, he didn't lose all of them. | ||
| He won one? | ||
| Yeah, he wasn't great at 70, but the thing is, he's the bigger man. | ||
| He's a much bigger guy. | ||
| But if they agreed to fight at 155, he would make the 155 weight limit. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| There was all this talk about him being so much bigger than Conor. | ||
| Oh, he's bigger for sure, Joe. | ||
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He's taller. | |
| He's taller. | ||
| He's a bigger man. | ||
| He's a bigger guy. | ||
| He walks around heavier. | ||
| Well, when he gets heavier, but when they fight at 55, he makes that weight, and Conor makes that weight tough, too. | ||
| They both struggle to make 155. It's a much easier cut for Conor at 55. It's not the hardest cut, but when you look at the difference between how he looks physically when he fought Nate at 170 and how he looks when he's, you know, 145, he was awful. | ||
| I was going to say, Connick can make 145. Nate could never, I mean, there's no chance. | ||
| He probably could have made it when he was on The Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| Cut a leg off. | ||
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Pfft. | |
| You know, like, real Liskie's not making 45. Well, he was very thin during the Ultimate Fighter days. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| We have to be, because you're an Ultimate Fighter, right? | ||
| So you have to make weight basically three times in a row. | ||
| Well, I just think he filled in, too. | ||
| I mean, he was really young back then, too. | ||
| 100%, but you have to maintain a lower weight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the closest fight to it, though. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| That fight's the closest. | ||
| No, I agree with you. | ||
| And the same kind of balls that Nate has. | ||
| But Max, the difference is that Max has taken on a guy that everybody's avoiding. | ||
| No one's been able to solve the riddle of Khabib. | ||
| No one's even put him in jeopardy. | ||
| Michael Johnson hit him, but that really wasn't... | ||
| We were talking about that the other day. | ||
| Who knows what was going on in that fight because that was a fight where he had the same issue cutting weight that he did when he had to pull out of the Ferguson fight where his body shut down. | ||
| So who knows? | ||
| He had that same issue with the Michael Johnson. | ||
| He might have been severely compromised in that fight even though he beat the fuck out of him. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| The difference between McGregor and Diaz is they both keep it on the feet, really, right? | ||
| Diaz is a phenomenal boxer. | ||
| Conor is a phenomenal striker. | ||
| Max Holloway, phenomenal striker. | ||
| Khabib, phenomenal grappler. | ||
| So it's even more of a task because Khabib's not going to sit there and strike. | ||
| That's your one way to win? | ||
| Cool, I'm the best grappler on earth. | ||
| He'll entertain it for a little bit, but if he wants you down, there's literally no one in the world from, I'll say, 155 to 170 who he's not going to take down. | ||
| I really want to see him in some straight grappling competition. | ||
| Hearing this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hearing that, about how amazing he is in the training room, and hearing it from a guy like D.C. I know. | ||
| And Fitch, and Thompson. | ||
| I mean, you're talking about all pioneers of the sport. | ||
| Yeah, animals. | ||
| I want to see him against Woodley at 70. I think 70's his natural weight class. | ||
| Yeah, I think he'd probably be a lot healthier. | ||
| Imagine that. | ||
| Imagine him being stronger and healthier. | ||
| Woodley and Khabib? | ||
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Jesus. | |
| What? | ||
| But Woodley's a different thing, man. | ||
| You miss. | ||
| You fuck up, and you leave yourself in a position to get hit with one of those nuclear bombs. | ||
| Oh, he'll knock you out. | ||
| Woodley could put people to sleep, grapple his ass off, hard to take down, and puts people to sleep with one shot. | ||
| I don't think Woodley gets his due, and I think the best evidence is the two fights that people point to where they say that Woodley should have done better. | ||
| Those are the Thompson fights. | ||
| And the Maya fight. | ||
| The Maya fight, but Maya never got hurt. | ||
| He hit Maya a bunch of times, but it was uneventful because he was hurt. | ||
| Woodley was hurt early in the first round with his shoulder. | ||
| He fucked his shoulder up. | ||
| He fought Maya, though he should fight Maya if you don't want to go to the ground. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| But my point is, in those two fights with Thompson, Woodley was the one who hurt Thompson. | ||
| He hurt him. | ||
| Bad. | ||
| Bad in both fights. | ||
| Almost stopped him in both fights. | ||
| Yeah, I don't want to see them ever fight again, but I hear you. | ||
| Great fight. | ||
| A hard pass. | ||
| If it was a crazy UFC 200 card and that was on it, I wouldn't be mad. | ||
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Me neither. | |
| But as a main event, I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Saw it twice. | ||
| Wow, cool. | ||
| Yeah, that's a super complicated equation to solve. | ||
| I'm set. | ||
| I'm set, though. | ||
| They're just not good dance partners. | ||
| It was the same thing. | ||
| They just said, no, this time's going to be different. | ||
| I'm going to war. | ||
| I'm going to war. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Two rounds in, you're like, no! | ||
| You bastards! | ||
| They're just circling each other. | ||
| That's like Dana on Ferguson and Khabib. | ||
| He's like, that fight's never happening. | ||
| A fifth time, not happening. | ||
| I'm like, I get it. | ||
| I get it, man. | ||
| It's such a bummer, though. | ||
| Let's talk business. | ||
| I don't know how many pay-per-views this was going to do, but for the hardcore fans, this was a big one. | ||
| This was a big one. | ||
| Because this is the first time Khabib is fighting a guy that's super versatile. | ||
| That can fight standing up, can knock you out with one shot, tough as fuck, has incredible endurance, and can grapple off his back. | ||
| And the most dangerous guy Khabib will ever face. | ||
| Yeah, Tony Ferguson has the perfect style to test so we can really find out where Khabib's at. | ||
| Because we know where Tony's at. | ||
| And we kind of know where Khabib's at. | ||
| Do we? | ||
| We kind of do. | ||
| The Barboza fight, in my opinion, was the best example of it. | ||
| Dos Anjos. | ||
| Dos Anjos was great. | ||
| All that's old school Dos Anjos. | ||
| Dos Anjos also compromised to make 155. Correct. | ||
| Dos Anjos at 170. Different animal. | ||
| That's a different fucking animal. | ||
| That's a totally different beast. | ||
| And I think Dos Anjos is one of those guys where you point to a perfect example of a guy whose body just was not allowing him to compete at 155. Agreed. | ||
| Because he's a fucking animal in his mind. | ||
| I mean, no one works harder than that guy. | ||
| You see that guy train? | ||
| Yes, I have. | ||
| You've seen in person, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Monster. | ||
| Monster. | ||
| And how about he's fighting Colby Covington in Brazil? | ||
| Enjoy that, Colby. | ||
| Good luck, Colby! | ||
| Security! | ||
| Please, security. | ||
| Super hard to take down. | ||
| Real hard to take down. | ||
| And brutal leg kicks. | ||
| And I don't know what 90-minute butt video he's been doing every day, but his legs are gigantic. | ||
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I know! | |
| Rumpy rump! | ||
| That Brazilian shitter on him is just... | ||
| I don't know what, squats? | ||
| Front squats? | ||
| Dude, I don't know what kind of crazy shit he's doing. | ||
| I know he did some training in the past a lot with Nick Curzon out of Speed of Sport. | ||
| Nick helped him quite a bit. | ||
| Nick's, you know, the Marv Marinovich disciple. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he does all that crazy shit that Marv had BJ doing. | ||
| He's got a ton of videos online of Dos Anjos training. | ||
| Is he working with Perello? | ||
| Jason Perillo? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know, is he? | ||
| Is Dos Angeles and Perillo? | ||
| I think he is. | ||
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Is he? | |
| I remember seeing him at the Ruka gym. | ||
| Is Perillo the greatest coach of all? | ||
| Like, he's like, you're having problems with your career? | ||
| Come here. | ||
| Very good. | ||
| And just, he's being cyborg. | ||
| I mean, just these monsters. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Good dude. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| And doesn't want the spotlight. | ||
| He doesn't want to be out on camera. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He doesn't want anything to do. | ||
| And when I was telling him, I think he's doing a great job, dude shakes your hand, looks you in the eye. | ||
| Like, he's right there. | ||
| He's right there. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| He's, like, right there. | ||
| And he won't work with just anyone either, which is what I like. | ||
| I like what he did with Bisping. | ||
| He helped Bisping a lot. | ||
| Yeah, Bisping became world champion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he's a fucking great coach. | ||
| Back to Khabib. | ||
| You know who I think, and I'm not just saying this because he's my boy I've known for, but you know who I think could be his Achilles heel who matches up better with him than anyone? | ||
| Who? | ||
| Everyone's overlooking. | ||
| Brian Ortega. | ||
| Ooh, that's a good point. | ||
| Brian Ortega is a big dude at 55. Easy weight cut for him. | ||
| But on the ground, he's the most dangerous guy in the world right now. | ||
| Yeah, I think so, too. | ||
| I think the way he locks up submissions is very different. | ||
| It's like if everybody else is hitting it at a 7 or an 8, Ortega's hitting it at a 10, where you watch and you go, oh, that's different. | ||
| And you haven't seen it. | ||
| So for Khabib, he's grappled frickin' grizzly bears since he was four, and he's seen Sambo, he's seen black belt jiu-jitsu, he's seen all this stuff, you're not gonna catch him. | ||
| With Ortega, it's a little different, and he actually encourages you to go to the ground. | ||
| And he's dangerous on his feet, but on the grounds where he thrives. | ||
| Isn't it funny how that thing about going to the ground... | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Brian says, Ortega wrote, For the record, Dana called me yesterday to see if I'd step in against Khabib since Max hadn't responded yet. | ||
| I said yes. | ||
| Eventually, Max replied, and Dana gave him the fight. | ||
| If all goes according to plan, I'll get my turn at both of them. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| It's a phenomenal fight for me. | ||
| Brian Ortega. | ||
| Just stylistically, I went, mm. | ||
| And if I'm Khabib, Khabib goes, why would I fight Ortega? | ||
| He's a phenomenal fighter, but he doesn't have a belt, doesn't have a big name. | ||
| And it's the most dangerous fight for him, I think. | ||
| And it's also, I mean, Ortega became a much bigger star with the Frankie Edgar knockout. | ||
| Much bigger star, but... | ||
| Is a ways to go. | ||
| Yeah, Max Holloway is one of the best fighters on the planet. | ||
| That's a really interesting fight. | ||
| Ortega's got... | ||
| There's something about his jiu-jitsu, man. | ||
| It's just ramped up and sharpened down to just a razor's edge, man. | ||
| When he grabs a hold of stuff, you have very little room to get out. | ||
| Yeah, and he sets it up from the clinch, and it's very unconventional, and the head snaps, especially like Tony Ferguson with the dart strokes where he's in Snap City. | ||
| However, what I wanted to see in this... | ||
| Ferguson-Khabib fight with the Snap City is like Josh Thompson and Fitch are like, oh no, we've never seen Khabib get his neck snapped down. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| For him, it's a pride thing. | ||
| Growing up where he grew up, no one snaps his neck down. | ||
| No one's snapping him down. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| That's so crazy! | ||
| Well, that's Tony's thing. | ||
| They go, watch! | ||
| Watch! | ||
| No one's ever snapping his neck down. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| Fitch is like, I've never seen him lose a round. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| These goddamn legends. | ||
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I know! | |
| These people like this. | ||
| And I'm drinking the Kool-Aid. | ||
| I'm drinking it, too. | ||
| I'm so into this Kool-Aid. | ||
| Wear that hat Saturday night, sir. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| I'm fascinated. | ||
| I'm fascinated by this fight. | ||
| I'm always fascinated when Khabib fights because you're always wondering, like, what's the first guy that's going to be able to give him something different? | ||
| See, I look at it different. | ||
| I look at it like, alright, I hear all this crazy talk about Khabib. | ||
| Let's see it. | ||
| Like, I want to see that... | ||
| Pound for pound greatness out of him. | ||
| Let me get it. | ||
| Don't you think you saw it in the Barboza fight? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think Barboza's one-dimensional. | ||
| I think we did see, and I think people are taking for granted how good Khabib of a grappler is, because you talk to Frankie, you talk to Eddie Alvarez, I go, how hard is it to take down Barboza? | ||
| They go, oh, it's damn near impossible in training. | ||
| We don't get them down very easily, and they're badasses. | ||
| So what Khabib did, we didn't think he was going to be able to do. | ||
| And if you look at that third round when Barbosa gets taken down and he's kind of cage crawling, you look at his face, he looks like, get me the fuck out of here. | ||
| There's sheer panic. | ||
| And that's the difference between Khabib and the rest of these fighters. | ||
| That's why it's the worst to fight him on short notice because it's not going to be fast. | ||
| It's not going to be fun for you. | ||
| It's a smashing. | ||
| I feel like we've seen the pound-for-pound greatness in him, like the potential for it, but we need to see him against pound-for-pound greats. | ||
| Well, that's how you get there. | ||
| And you have to show up. | ||
| That's what's so interesting about Saturday. | ||
| Like Connor Aldo, right? | ||
| That quick knockout. | ||
| Or D.C. Gusvin. | ||
| John Jones, D.C. There's certain times in your career where you have these signature wins. | ||
| He doesn't have a signature win. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I think that Barboza's as close as you can get, but Barboza's lost to a few guys. | ||
| He lost to Tony, he got Darce choked. | ||
| Lost to Cowboy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But he's also very, he's one-dimensional. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's not phenomenal on the ground. | ||
| He's a good anti-wrestler. | ||
| His striking's phenomenal, but overall package? | ||
| Yeah, and that is the difference, right? | ||
| Is the really good guys always threaten takedowns, always threaten submissions. | ||
| He just doesn't do that. | ||
| He stands up. | ||
| He's phenomenal at it. | ||
| He's a special stand-up, but... | ||
| I mean, stand-up is wicked. | ||
| He's got some of the best stand-up in the world, for sure, in MMA. I mean, Barboza's so fast, too. | ||
| Such a... | ||
| Wonder Boy Barboza, the right up there. | ||
| Darren Till. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Darren Till in Wonderboy is going to be a motherfucker. | ||
| How about Wonderboy? | ||
| I saw a quote coming in here where he goes, I'm not that impressed with Darren Till. | ||
| Who is he? | ||
| I'm like, did you learn nothing from the cowboy fight? | ||
| Even I learned from that. | ||
| I was like, man, why would Cowboy take this? | ||
| I don't really know who Darren Till is. | ||
| And then my inbox just flooded with shit. | ||
| And even Darren Till went off on me. | ||
| And I look him up like, oh my god, this guy's a monster. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| Doesn't he have a gorilla tattoo or something? | ||
| Does he? | ||
| He's got gorillas all over his, like, uses it in his screen name and Twitter. | ||
| Well, he's a gorilla. | ||
| He's a gorilla. | ||
| He's a Leverpool gorilla. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| And for Wonderboy, who's rehabbing his thumbs, and it's just like, alright, if you want this. | ||
| And then what happens if Wonderboy, let's say Wonderboy were to win, which I don't think he is, unfortunately. | ||
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Really? | |
| I don't. | ||
| You think Taylor's gonna get him? | ||
| I just, yeah, I think there's this kind of... | ||
| Are you a Darren Till dick rider? | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Right now, I'm hard dick riding on Khabib, Till, there's a few guys. | ||
| DC always, Connor always, always, always. | ||
| Brian Ortega. | ||
| I'd dick ride Mighty Mouse, for sure. | ||
| Yeah, you do dick ride that guy. | ||
| I think he's the best. | ||
| You've been that way forever. | ||
| I think he's the best. | ||
| I mean, that's fair. | ||
| He needs a guy to challenge him. | ||
| Isn't he fighting Cejudo again? | ||
| Who I love Cejudo, but it's like, do you guys hate fucking money? | ||
| That shit's ridiculous. | ||
| I mean, Cejudo's a beast, no doubt about it, and I love what Cejudo did against Wilson Hayes. | ||
| I was like, holy shit, this is like a different Cejudo. | ||
| He looks like a karate champion. | ||
| Yeah, I get all that. | ||
| Did you see what Mighty Mouse did to him? | ||
| Went right through them. | ||
| Oh, you're blackout? | ||
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Cool. | |
| Good. | ||
| Get you in an arm bar. | ||
| And what he did to Cejudo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, you like to clinch? | ||
| Check these out. | ||
| Olympics? | ||
| That's very cool. | ||
| Check this knee out, sir. | ||
| Knees to the body is fast. | ||
| I grabbed him once, just joking around, playing. | ||
| He hit me in the body with a knee so fast, it was confusing. | ||
| It was confusing. | ||
| Where'd that come from? | ||
| Like, I go, I gotcha! | ||
| He turns around, whoosh! | ||
| I'm like, hey! | ||
| That's not supposed to go that quick! | ||
| It's supposed to be, I see you move, I get to think, this might come my way, here it is. | ||
| No, it was already there before I realized he was doing it. | ||
| He's so fucking fast! | ||
| Do we know why the TJ fight's not going down? | ||
| Dude, I don't know, but that one bums me out. | ||
| That one bums me out. | ||
| That's a fucking gigantic super fight. | ||
| Like, why wouldn't he take that fight? | ||
| Well, first of all, Mighty Mouse right now is rehabbing a shoulder surgery. | ||
| So, it's going to be a while. | ||
| He was doing those, you know that bow thing they do, that flexi thing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was doing some of those exercises the other day on Instagram. | ||
| I'm looking at him like, okay, that's a guy that's got, like, he's got some scar tissue to work out. | ||
| Like, that's not healed up. | ||
| Did he get surgery or no? | ||
| Yeah, he got surgery. | ||
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| So he's out for a little bit. | ||
| And TJ probably doesn't want to wait. | ||
| I don't know if that's what the case is. | ||
| I don't know what the case is. | ||
| You know, I mean, shoulder surgery is six months. | ||
| I mean, so you wait three months, then you have a three-month camp. | ||
| You know? | ||
| But they wouldn't announce it yet, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, I don't even know. | ||
| You can't even say that. | ||
| Because once you start going hard, you might not be able to go. | ||
| Matt Hume and Mighty Mouse are about as smart as it gets when it comes to preparation. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| So there's no way they would take that fight if his shoulder wasn't 100% or any fight. | ||
| And risk his legacy? | ||
| Because he loses that fight and everyone's like, told ya! | ||
| And they wouldn't go hard early to test it. | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| They would let it... | ||
| Well, Whitley's been out a little bit because of his shoulder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shoulders are tricky. | ||
| Yeah, he was in here, like, right after he got it. | ||
| He said he's gonna heal up quick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he might. | ||
| PRP, all that. | ||
| Yeah, he's going to do all the PRP, you know, as much, you know, different therapies, cryo, I'm sure. | ||
| It still takes a while, even with all our advances. | ||
| It's definitely faster. | ||
| But now he's forced to fight, and I see what the UFC's doing where they do an interim belt between Colby and Dos Anjos where, you know, it's interim belt. | ||
| So now, Woodley, you literally have to fight the winner of this. | ||
| You have to fight him. | ||
| It's a very sneaky move. | ||
| They have a belt. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| You want a super fight? | ||
| Nope, this guy has a belt. | ||
| I get both sides here. | ||
| If it's Dos Anjos, if Dos Anjos beats Colby, Dos Anjos, lightweight champion, now welterweight champion. | ||
| That's a great fight. | ||
| You could have Dos Anjos sitting there with two belts on his shoulders. | ||
| And then what do you do with Darren Till? | ||
| Let's say he, for whatever reason, walks through Wonderboy, which is tough to do. | ||
| But let's say he walks through him, which Woodley struggled a little bit, walks through him, and Wonderboy's the number one guy. | ||
| Now Darren Till jumps up to number one. | ||
| Does that work that way? | ||
| Because the ratings are fucking screwy, man. | ||
| Sometimes I see a guy who beat a guy, and then that guy who he beat is still ranked ahead of him. | ||
| They're a nightmare. | ||
| All the ratings do now, it almost hurts if you're a guy like Sean Shelby or Dana trying to make these matchups. | ||
| Because a guy who's at four, if they say, hey, why don't you fight seven? | ||
| He's like, no, he's seven. | ||
| I have nothing to gain from that. | ||
| Where before, it was like, hey, why don't you fight this guy? | ||
| He's a name. | ||
| He's on a seven-fight win streak. | ||
| We don't know what ranking he is, but we know he's damn good. | ||
| So guys were more willing to take it. | ||
| Now they, nope, he's seven. | ||
| I want number one. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I need three, four, you know. | ||
| Yeah, that's weird. | ||
| It hurts us. | ||
| Well, it's also weird, like, the UFC could just, they just decide who's fighting. | ||
| I mean, it's the whole thing, the business is so interesting. | ||
| Because it's like, they decide who's fighting, they decide who's champion, they decide, Tony, you're not champion anymore, we're going to strip you. | ||
| It's like, put it, I fell! | ||
| I fell! | ||
| I don't want this to happen! | ||
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He was at the Fox studios, like, I twist my knee! | |
| But he was working for the UFC when he fell. | ||
| I mean, he's doing his obligations, his press obligations. | ||
| It's very strange to strip him of a belt when he never lost it and he has the longest winning streak. | ||
| But also, Khabib has no belt. | ||
| There's no belt. | ||
| Khabib was going to take the belt. | ||
| They're going to make up a belt. | ||
| And then Conor has the belt at 55, so what do you do with that belt? | ||
| Well, what they were planning on doing, I believe, and now they've kind of let the cat out of the bag because they said it's going to be for the World Lightweight title. | ||
| They were going to strip Conor the moment something happened, like the moment the fight started. | ||
| That's when they were going to strip Conor. | ||
| They're going to announce that? | ||
| Yeah, because if they'd stripped him beforehand, Then what happens if Tony doesn't make weight or something? | ||
| Tony makes weight all the time. | ||
| What if Khabib doesn't make weight? | ||
| Then what the fuck do you have? | ||
| Then you have nothing. | ||
| So you already stripped him? | ||
| Are you going to give it back to him? | ||
| Are you going to give it back to him? | ||
| So what if he wants to fight again? | ||
| Now he's not the champ anymore? | ||
| What the fuck kind of shit is this? | ||
| It's strange. | ||
| So they waited. | ||
| And the idea was to wait. | ||
| But now they're in a desperado situation. | ||
| Straight desperado. | ||
| Still a belt on the line. | ||
| Not only that, fucking April Fools. | ||
| April Fools Day it happens. | ||
| I didn't believe a goddamn word of it. | ||
| Jimmy Smith starts texting me. | ||
| I'm like, fuck that, dude. | ||
| I'm not falling for it. | ||
| Jamie texted me. | ||
| I'm like, I'm not falling for it. | ||
| You texted me? | ||
| You go, bro, it's April Fools. | ||
| I'm like, I know. | ||
| But Dana released a video and he's, listen, I'm sure he likes a good April Fools joke, but what he likes more is money and pay-per-view buys. | ||
| You can't honeydick the fans and be like, psych, it's back on. | ||
| People are We're going to be pissed and not buy it. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| I didn't buy it. | ||
| I still was like, maybe it's just an elaborate PR scam. | ||
| I didn't even tweet about it until the next day. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I was tweeting about other shit. | ||
| People were like, what the fuck, bro? | ||
| This is going down. | ||
| You're not even tweeting about it. | ||
| I'm like, I'm not. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| I'm not going to do it. | ||
| I'm not going to jump in. | ||
| I checked with you, and then I checked with Josh Thompson, who works closely with Khabib. | ||
| And then, boom, there's my two main guys. | ||
| And I went, all right, Ariel. | ||
| I saw Ariel tweet. | ||
| I'm like, God, he's a journalist. | ||
| I'm a... | ||
| I'm an ass clown. | ||
| He's a legit journalist. | ||
| He has the credibility. | ||
| So I went, bro, is this real? | ||
| And he goes, I would never joke around like that, Brendan. | ||
| I'm like, he's right! | ||
| Well, I went straight to his jiu-jitsu coach. | ||
| I called Eddie. | ||
| Talked to him on the phone. | ||
| You're a good friend. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Eddie gave me the full rundown of what happened with Tony. | ||
| It's like he saw somebody and he turned to say hi to somebody. | ||
| Didn't see some wires on the ground. | ||
| Tripped over some wires and just blew his shit out. | ||
| And Eddie was on the podcast yesterday and Eddie was saying that Tony wanted to fight or the day before yesterday. | ||
| Tony wanted to fight. | ||
| They wouldn't let him fight. | ||
| His ligament is torn from the bone. | ||
| Which is rare, which is hard to do. | ||
| Where is that one? | ||
| Lateral, collateral ligament, some shit. | ||
| Anyways, but do you think if it went tripping off that, is that a freak accent or do you think it would have went during the fight? | ||
| It's hard to say. | ||
| Oh, I bet it was a freak accident. | ||
| Freak accident, right? | ||
| Especially at LCL. Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the way they said it. | ||
| But first of all, what Dana said was very savage. | ||
| What'd he say? | ||
| Dana said, he wears those sunglasses indoors. | ||
| That should happen to everybody that wears sunglasses indoors. | ||
| That's the Larry David quote. | ||
| Have you heard the Larry David quote? | ||
| He goes, there's only two types of people that wear sunglasses indoors. | ||
| Blind people and assholes. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It's so true. | ||
| Don't wear those indoors. | ||
| It's such a weird thing, man. | ||
| Especially at night. | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| It's so hard to see. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| I've seen a guy in a club, when I used to go to clubs, he'd have his glasses on, and then people would walk by, he'd lift them up and look around and put them back down because you can't see shit. | ||
| The biggest tools wear glasses to fights. | ||
| They wear sunglasses and they sit there with their fucking sunglasses on. | ||
| Especially celebrities that do that. | ||
| Celebrities do that. | ||
| It's like, get a grip. | ||
| That's like when you know you fucked up and you got too famous. | ||
| You have to wear sunglasses at a fight. | ||
| You sit in the front row with sunglasses. | ||
| And your boys are just like, nah, I like it, man. | ||
| Yeah, wear those indoors. | ||
| That makes complete sense. | ||
| Same if you wear a peacock coat and your boys are like, that's all good. | ||
| I'm gonna start doing podcasts like this. | ||
| Dude, that stresses me out. | ||
| From now on. | ||
| That stresses me out. | ||
| Sam Tripoli did a podcast like this. | ||
| Did you say something? | ||
| What? | ||
| Did you say something to him? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, what are we doing? | ||
| And I put mine on. | ||
| I put mine on. | ||
| And we've done them before with sunglasses with Nass outfits. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| D'Elia did the Fire in the Kid with sunglasses on. | ||
| I go, bro, you gotta take the sunglasses off. | ||
| He goes, my future's too bright. | ||
| My future's too bright. | ||
| And I went, oh fuck, mine too. | ||
| And I put my glasses on. | ||
| And the count goes, shit, I don't have my sunglasses. | ||
| Yeah, it's a weird thing, sunglasses. | ||
| That's a hilarious quote by Dana, though. | ||
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| Hilarious. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| And especially considering how much money he's losing on this fight. | ||
| Can you imagine? | ||
| Can you imagine getting a call that close and being like, what? | ||
| What keeps happening? | ||
| It keeps happening. | ||
| It keeps happening. | ||
| Does it? | ||
| It's happened a bunch of times. | ||
| It's happened a bunch of times. | ||
| This one, the MMA guys are like, you morons. | ||
| I'm trying to do you a favor here. | ||
| What was the most recent one where that happened? | ||
| Where Cyborg stepped in last minute. | ||
| This close? | ||
| Yeah, so the last one. | ||
| Cyborg stepped in. | ||
| Oh, that was Max Holloway. | ||
| Max Holloway and Frank Yeager. | ||
| But then there was the Ferguson one with Khabib where Khabib's liver shut down. | ||
| They had to take him to the fucking hospital. | ||
| That was a bummer. | ||
| That was a bummer. | ||
| This has happened a ton of times. | ||
| Was the worst one John Jones? | ||
| UFC 200? | ||
| DC? Literally the day before? | ||
| You're like, what? | ||
| But I wonder if that's better for the UFC. Shitty business either way. | ||
| But is it better for the UFC? Because we've already seen the hype where we bought in. | ||
| And then the next day, they're like, where's John? | ||
| Oh yeah, you didn't hear that? | ||
| Does that help them more? | ||
| Or does this, where you at least can promote a little bit with Max Holloway. | ||
| You can promote a little bit with Max Holloway. | ||
| And it's an interesting fight. | ||
| It's a very interesting fight. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of those men that happen. | ||
| You're like, what? | ||
| Which one was the Jon Jones DC one? | ||
| UFC 200. And what was the thing that Jon did? | ||
| Which one was that? | ||
| Remember that... | ||
| Was that the Coke one? | ||
| Yeah, I think that was the Coke one. | ||
| No. | ||
| Coke was... | ||
| No, this was Dick Pills. | ||
| Remember? | ||
| He was like, hey, we got to pull him from the card. | ||
| And then DC fought Anderson Silva. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| On like two days notice. | ||
| Anderson. | ||
| And then DC didn't win any fans of that because he just kind of... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a weird fight. | ||
| He just wrestled him and it was whatever. | ||
| Anderson in the front kicked him in the gut too and I think he hurt him. | ||
| Yeah, it was messed up. | ||
| That was awkward. | ||
| But it happens in sports. | ||
| This is what I think makes fighting so great. | ||
| So great. | ||
| Max has an opportunity that no one else in the world in sports can have. | ||
| And then look at Canelo Triple G. In combat sports, this is what we deal with. | ||
| Canelo, that's the biggest fight of the year. | ||
| Biggest fight everyone wants to see. | ||
| The rematch of the year. | ||
| And then tainted meat. | ||
| Do you buy the tainted meat? | ||
| Absolutely not, sir. | ||
| I've had many tacos in Mexico, and I'm not swole. | ||
| Yeah, but you're not getting tested for trace amounts of clembuterol. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| Maybe I have to go and snitch come to my house just for the fucks of it. | ||
| Maybe I'm still in the testing protocol. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I'd see some sort of change. | ||
| But even Triple G's camp goes last fight he was on it. | ||
| What else is new? | ||
| Now, why do you think they said that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Listen, I'm sure Gennady's been in there with over 500 people now, 400 people, and he just said in his experience he can tell who's on PDs and who's not, and he thought Canelo was. | ||
| Do you buy that? | ||
| I do, because as a fighter, there's guys I fought who I assumed were. | ||
| Okay, but what about Woodley? | ||
| A guy like Woodley has tremendous genetics. | ||
| He's always been like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Always been like that, but so has Canelo, no? | ||
| You look at it, he's gotten pretty swole. | ||
| Now, he's getting older, though. | ||
| So it could be that, too. | ||
| As you get older, you put on more size. | ||
| Well, the big one was Manny. | ||
| Manny was the one that everybody was always accusing. | ||
| And Manny was the first... | ||
| I mean, Manny went up eight weight classes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And kept his knockout power. | ||
| He's fighting as a little boy and then just was like... | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I mean, and kept the knockout power. | ||
| True. | ||
| And most people thought that Manny was on PEDs. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And then they thought that Manny got off PEDs when he fought Juan Manuel Marquez and he got starched. | ||
| But there's a two-sided story there. | ||
| He got off PEDs and he also found Jesus Christ. | ||
| So he stopped going to strip clubs, he stopped hanging out with girls, but he stopped having fun. | ||
| And then got serious about Jesus and got knocked the fuck out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then he saw Jesus in that fight. | ||
| Jesus was like, listen... | ||
| If you want to be a savage, you got to live like a savage. | ||
| Jesus is like, I'm not even advising this, man. | ||
| Just fucking do your thing. | ||
| Keep taking steroids. | ||
| Yeah, take them steroids. | ||
| Jesus is like, listen, I made steroids, okay? | ||
| Steroids came from God. | ||
| That wheatgrass ain't going to help you, son. | ||
| That's good for you, but you need steroids, too. | ||
| It's good, but you need this, too. | ||
| It depends on what you are. | ||
| I mean, if you want to be a 147-pound knockout artist... | ||
| But Marquez is no stranger to the Mexican supplements. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Well, they had the same strength and conditioning coach when When Manny found Jesus, his old strength and conditioning coach went over to the dark side. | ||
| Juan Manuel Marquez. | ||
| He was always on the dark side. | ||
| Stayed on the dark side. | ||
| That dude was always on the dark side. | ||
| What was his name? | ||
| Alex Ariza. | ||
| Yes, good call, brother. | ||
| Yeah, he knows his shit, man. | ||
| He knows his shit, and I don't know whether or not he's got anybody on PEDs that are just blaming him. | ||
| But he knows his shit. | ||
| As a strength and conditioning coach, that guy's very, very good. | ||
| Yeah, I would've worked with him if I was fighting. | ||
| I saw the stuff that he was doing with Juan Manuel Marquez. | ||
| I was like, this guy's... | ||
| He's super legit. | ||
| And he brings those guys up to modern levels of performance. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Not the old school shit. | ||
| Some of the old school shit, to this day, I think chopping wood, that's all legit, man. | ||
| Sledgehammers on tires, that's as legit as it gets. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I think it's good to add in. | ||
| I think deadlifts, all that stuff. | ||
| But I think you mix that with the new wave of technology, and now you've got something. | ||
| Well, what I was saying about Nick Curzon and that Marv Marinovich method, it's all plyos, man. | ||
| Everything's like jump, box jumps. | ||
| Movement. | ||
| Yeah, left, right, left, right, left, right. | ||
| You know, Curzon said something very interesting to me when I said, like, what do you think fighters are missing most, like strength condition-wise? | ||
| He said foot strength. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| It totally makes sense. | ||
| You know who's been on that ball since? | ||
| God, since I've known him is Loren Landau, who I worked with in Denver, and now he just got the gig as the head condition coach of the Denver Broncos. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| But he was making this workout barefoot forever, even as football players. | ||
| Steve Maxwell was always on that, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All his kettlebell workouts. | ||
| There's some of those guys who it's like, oh, this is all new, and then you talk to a Loren or that Maxwell guy, like, we've been doing this for like 20 years. | ||
| You guys are just now finding out about it. | ||
| Well, so many people. | ||
| You see so many people working out with high, thick-ass running shoes that are all spongy on the bottom. | ||
| Yeah, I'd be one of them. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of people do. | ||
| But you're not training for a fight right now. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| But if you were, you'd try to optimize everything, wouldn't you? | ||
| Yeah, I used to wear those five-finger. | ||
| I'd wear those to run. | ||
| I'd wear those on the track. | ||
| I'd wear those during most of my stuff. | ||
| So now you just wear regular running shoes for comfort? | ||
| Regular running shoes, and then I had a knee problem because I was putting so many miles on it. | ||
| Now I'm on a bike. | ||
| I got one of those Pelotons. | ||
| Yeah, those are dope. | ||
| It's been good. | ||
| It's good because you can play along and go along with a class. | ||
| Yeah, it's cool. | ||
| I don't know if it's the answer I do every day, but I need to mix it up, man. | ||
| I'm just bored as fuck with working out. | ||
| That Echo bike. | ||
| Those are dope. | ||
| I want to get one of those in the crib. | ||
| But I like waking up because my Mondays and Tuesdays are a nightmare. | ||
| I have to be on set at 7 a.m. | ||
| So I'm waking up at like 5 just doing that Peloton for an hour and then I'm off. | ||
| Oh, that's good. | ||
| Yeah, where before I'd have to try and go to the gym. | ||
| Or I was missing my workouts. | ||
| It drives me nuts. | ||
| Dude, you know what? | ||
| I like to start the day with a sweat and then I get going. | ||
| You know what kick I'm on? | ||
| The VersaClimber. | ||
| Those are a nightmare. | ||
| I went to the gym the other day, and I did a 150-meter sprint at the end of the workout. | ||
| The trainer had me do a 150-meter sprint on the reverse climbing. | ||
| Did you feel like passing out? | ||
| Holy shit, it's hard. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| When you get off, man, like you're barely alive. | ||
| You've done them before, yeah? | ||
| Yeah, but I haven't been doing it. | ||
| I'm getting one in here now. | ||
| It might be the toughest thing as far as cardio-wise. | ||
| Again, Lorne Lando used to have us do, even as football players, all the time. | ||
| And I was like, what the fuck are we doing, man? | ||
| This is awful. | ||
| It was by far, he'd have these circuits, and it'd always end on that. | ||
| I remember everyone, if he was like, here's your circuit, and you end on Versa, some of the best athletes in the world were just like, oh my god, man, what are we doing? | ||
| Yeah, well, that's what they do at this gym that I've been working at. | ||
| He lets you do a circuit, at the end of the circuit, you get on that Versa climber, and you sprint. | ||
| And it's how much time to get to 150 meters. | ||
| I've been doing rows with my trainer. | ||
| Oh yeah, I do that too? | ||
| We do the 1,000 meter row. | ||
| And I'm like, what's a good time? | ||
| So we looked up the top times. | ||
| I'm like, I think I'm top 300 in the world right now. | ||
| I've got to do some work. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, there's a big difference between top 300 and the top 100. Yeah, but dude, you're top 300 in the world with a row? | ||
| With a row, yeah, look it up. | ||
| That's pretty fucking sweet. | ||
| It's alright. | ||
| I mean, it's a row machine. | ||
| I'm top 85 million. | ||
| I mean, no, hold up. | ||
| Hold on, hold on. | ||
| That was the humble brag, but let's just be serious there. | ||
| You're the hardest kicker ever on that goddamn UFC machine. | ||
| Well, I call it the Francis machine. | ||
| Well, there's a video of me doing 152. Right now, you only see the one with me kicking it with my jeans on, and that got to 135. Were they stretchy jeans? | ||
| Yeah, barbell jeans. | ||
| Basically PEDs. | ||
| PEDs, yeah. | ||
| It's like sweatpants, man. | ||
| Some dude burned me. | ||
| Burned me from the audience. | ||
| And he goes, hey man, how long did it take you to paint on those jeans? | ||
| And I went, oh my goodness, sir. | ||
| You just scorched me. | ||
| Theo Vonk did me dirty. | ||
| He goes, bro, we're clowning each other. | ||
| We're clowning each other. | ||
| I said, you look like an extra from the Waterboy set. | ||
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He goes, the fuck? | |
| He goes, bro, you look like you work at Nordstrom's Rack and you're a mechanic. | ||
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I was like, What are you talking about? | |
| He's so crazy. | ||
| These fucking pants, man. | ||
| These pants are the shit. | ||
| These are different. | ||
| These right now, I have on their similar. | ||
| They're called Mott& Bow. | ||
| Oh, those are a good company. | ||
| Those are like legit jeans. | ||
| Yeah, they're more feel like jeans. | ||
| Where the barbell jeans, they look like jeans until you touch them. | ||
| They go, hey, what's going on here? | ||
| I've got sweatpants on, son. | ||
| No, that's in a good company. | ||
| This will bind you up a little bit more if you were trying to kick somebody. | ||
| A little bit more. | ||
| So what did you do the record-setting kicking? | ||
| With barbell jeans. | ||
| I did the record one. | ||
| This is the record one. | ||
| I see you with that Dos Anchos rump. | ||
| I see you, son. | ||
| That's on my hill running, man. | ||
| My ass is way bigger. | ||
| A lot of people have been complimenting me on it. | ||
| Nothing wrong with a nice ass. | ||
| I don't like that fat belly, though. | ||
| I'm so fat right now. | ||
| You are not fat. | ||
| For me? | ||
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152. 152. And what's the hardest? | |
| No, I'm definitely fatter than I usually am. | ||
| I've been cheating on my diet way too much. | ||
| I hear you, man. | ||
| Cheating way too much. | ||
| Well, it's also, I can't, there's certain things I can't do in the gym right now, and I got this, man. | ||
| This dildo that I got here. | ||
| What do you do with that, bro? | ||
| This is for, you know, I have golfer's elbow. | ||
| I have this tendinitis. | ||
| I've had that for a while, yeah. | ||
| Fuck, dude! | ||
| I've never had tendinitis before. | ||
| Have you ever had it? | ||
| Yeah, not fun. | ||
| It takes forever! | ||
| Like, way more than a muscle. | ||
| Do you have shots in there? | ||
| I got PRP, I got Regenikine, I got stem cells, I had a bunch of shots. | ||
| This, this dildo I'm holding, this helped me more than any of them. | ||
| In two weeks, in two weeks this thing has helped me. | ||
| That dry needling you did seemed like it should have fixed everything. | ||
| What did? | ||
| The dry needling. | ||
| Oh, a complete waste of time. | ||
| Oh yeah, you saw me do that too. | ||
| I had dry needling where they used electricity too. | ||
| And they zapped it and made your hands pulse. | ||
| It did nothing for me. | ||
| Didn't help. | ||
| This helped. | ||
| This is cheap. | ||
| You buy it on Amazon. | ||
| It's called TheraBand. | ||
| And what do you do with it? | ||
| And my friend Brian told me about this. | ||
| Callan? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Brian from... | ||
| I'll give you his last name. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| He's Vinny Shorman's buddy from Fontana, California. | ||
| I think, what is his thing? | ||
| Double Deuce Muay Thai? | ||
| Is that his place? | ||
| Here, hold on a second. | ||
| That's a great shirt, by the way, Jamie. | ||
| Brian Dobler. | ||
| And Brian is a great Muay Thai coach himself. | ||
| He had an issue and he told me this is the thing that fixed him. | ||
| You take it, you hold it out like this right in front of you, right? | ||
| Then you twist. | ||
| This is the arm that's injured, the bottom arm. | ||
| So you hold out, you twist it with the other one and then you hold it straight and then you let it untwist with this arm slowly. | ||
| And I've been doing this shit all the time. | ||
| I do it in my car. | ||
| I take it with me at home. | ||
| But I'm twisting the shit out of it and then slowly untwisting it with my right side. | ||
| And it's helping? | ||
| Oh, dude, it makes a big impact. | ||
| It makes a big impact because it's strengthening it. | ||
| It's strengthening this little particular area, but it's also getting a ton of blood. | ||
| You hold it like that, like palm out, and then twist it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And now straighten it out. | ||
| Now unwind it with this hand, with the injured hand. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Just like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you just do that slow. | ||
| And I'll do that for like five, ten minutes at a time. | ||
| And then I'll leave it alone. | ||
| Game changer, huh? | ||
| Game changer! | ||
| Feeling better? | ||
| Dude, a lot better. | ||
| I mean, obviously, I've had a lot of other shit done to it, like the Regenikine was like a month or so ago. | ||
| I'm sure it helped. | ||
| But that's good. | ||
| But this, once I started doing it almost immediately, within a few days, I started feeling better. | ||
| Basic, son. | ||
| There's a lot of shit I can't do. | ||
| I can't do chin-ups right now. | ||
| I haven't been able to do chin-ups. | ||
| I could do rows, but I can't go heavier than 50 pounds. | ||
| Everything has to be All about preserving this little ligament. | ||
| And your trainer knows that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a new trainer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As long as they're good trainers, they usually know how to adapt. | ||
| But even here, like when I'm training here. | ||
| Yeah, you can't do anything. | ||
| There's so much shit I can do. | ||
| I can't do anything on the rings. | ||
| No. | ||
| No hooks. | ||
| I can throw straight punches. | ||
| Yep, but no hooks. | ||
| No, no hooks. | ||
| Uppercut. | ||
| But it's getting much better just in two weeks of using this fucking thing. | ||
| Do you ever think about resting it? | ||
| Maybe just not doing anything, sir. | ||
| That's how I got fat. | ||
| Well, you can still get up. | ||
| You're crazy. | ||
| You're crazy. | ||
| For me to stick on a diet, I have to have a meal specialist delivering my meals. | ||
| I'm that guy right now. | ||
| I'm usually really good at it. | ||
| But one thing this has done is ramped up my hill running. | ||
| So I've been doing more hill running. | ||
| Are you the type of dude that, well, I always see late night, you're always posting. | ||
| Yeah, you got that fat ass. | ||
| I always see when, pH fat. | ||
| I see when at night when you come home from the comedy store, you're always posting like protein and veggies. | ||
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| Are you really eating that? | ||
| Or are you like, there's that, and then you have McDonald's on the side? | ||
| No, I'm not doing McDonald's. | ||
| If I cheat, it's pasta. | ||
| Dude, that was me last night. | ||
| I ate a whole pizza the other day. | ||
| Fucking giving up. | ||
| Where from? | ||
| It was at a restaurant. | ||
| I went with the missus, and we ordered some other stuff, and I said, let's just get a pizza, too. | ||
| Right, that's how it starts. | ||
| She's like, I'm not really into this. | ||
| I'm like, good. | ||
| That's me, man. | ||
| I wolfed the whole pizza down. | ||
| I ate that whole fucking pizza. | ||
| And I'm so disappointed in myself. | ||
| I had these meals, man. | ||
| I've been strict on it. | ||
| When I'm on the road, it's fucking tough. | ||
| Or if I'm not getting any sleep, my body craves sugar and carbs. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| Always. | ||
| But I'm screwed. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| And I'm like, all right, just one. | ||
| And then one, I just can't stop myself. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard. | ||
| And then last night, I made my son this pasta, and of course I have to try it. | ||
| I gotta make sure it's not poison. | ||
| I tried it, I'm like, that's fucking way better than my meal I'm about to eat. | ||
| So I just fired up some tortellinis. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard. | ||
| It's also hard when you work hard. | ||
| Because I do a lot of things. | ||
| I'm always busy. | ||
| And it's like, sometimes I just want to go off with food. | ||
| Like, that's my indulgence. | ||
| That's the one thing where I can get loose on, man. | ||
| But most of the time, I'm very strict. | ||
| Most of the time. | ||
| But it's been hard with this injury. | ||
| Just because I thought it was going to be healed by now. | ||
| So it's been frustrating the shit out of me. | ||
| There's certain things I want to do. | ||
| Like, I was on this... | ||
| Heavy chin-up kick and heavy cleans and presses kick and that's probably where I wound up doing it because I felt some twinges and instead of just Working on it and like letting it heal up. | ||
| I pushed through it for months. | ||
| That's the athlete in you. | ||
| That's the idiot in me. | ||
| For months I pushed through it. | ||
| But that's how it works when you're an athlete. | ||
| I'm sure when you're doing taekwondo or jiu-jitsu, you get hurt. | ||
| It's not like, oh, let me take months off to make this better. | ||
| It's none of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's something that Eddie said about Tony. | ||
| Is it like Tony, when he gets hurt, he's like, whatever, I'm hurt. | ||
| Just works around it. | ||
| Whatever it is, he doesn't stop working out. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But this is an eye-opener for me. | ||
| This TheraBand thing is like, always keep searching. | ||
| And the other thing I have is this other thing where I put my fingers in this rubber thing and I expand my fingers. | ||
| It's very difficult to expand. | ||
| It's easy to contract. | ||
| You're always doing that. | ||
| But how much strength do you have this way? | ||
| Very little. | ||
| It's kind of shocking. | ||
| When do you ever do it? | ||
| Never. | ||
| Never? | ||
| Never. | ||
| But this rubber thing is really good. | ||
| And I think I read, I think it was Jim Stopani, who's a bodybuilder guy online. | ||
| He's got a bunch of supplements and shit. | ||
| And he's also a super, super smart, educated guy. | ||
| And he was recommending that for people with tendonitis. | ||
| There's a lot of different things you can do with bands. | ||
| And this one, this is the strongest one they have, too. | ||
| You keep shaking like a dick. | ||
| Do you think if you went to physiotherapy, they would have shown you all this stuff before you injected yourself with all these needles and stuff? | ||
| I feel like a lot of that's physio. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| You live, you learn. | ||
| Most of them were just saying, ice it and rest. | ||
| Oh, god damn it. | ||
| The rest, yes, but the rest they want. | ||
| It's just not what I want to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's also... | ||
| When your body is so used to going hard, and then you're not going hard, and then your body's like, okay, let's find some problems. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And I can't sit still, and it's like, well, now I'm lazy, and it affects everything. | ||
| Yeah, you feel like a bitch. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But, like I said, it's increased my badonkadonk. | ||
| Yeah, an ass on you. | ||
| Oh, man, dude. | ||
| The missus likes it or she wants you to tone it down? | ||
| She's happy with it. | ||
| No one likes a flat ass. | ||
| No one likes a flat ass. | ||
| Even on a guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No one. | ||
| That might be the worst thing if you have flat ass. | ||
| You know when a girl wants a flat ass? | ||
| I'd rather have a small dick than a flat ass. | ||
| A girl wants a flat ass because she knows the guy's not going anywhere. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at him when it's flat ass. | ||
| Where you going, bitch? | ||
| Maserati, flat ass, fucking shitty jeans. | ||
| Loafers on. | ||
| Gucci loafers. | ||
| Gucci loafers, no socks, flat ass. | ||
| Gets tired walking upstairs. | ||
| Could you imagine if all of a sudden you had someone's flat ass and then you had to walk around and you had to realize, oh my god, it's so hard to walk up hills. | ||
| How do you get around? | ||
| How do you get around flat ass? | ||
| Carrying up the grocery bags up the stairs. | ||
| That's out. | ||
| I've seen it where it might be one of the easiest muscles to build. | ||
| There's some girls with flat asses, then you see them on Instagram, these Instagram models who do deadlifts or something, and then just over time, boom, that ass just grows like a tomato. | ||
| If they really are motivated, you can get your ass to grow. | ||
| A little winny, a little fucking... | ||
| A little of that, right? | ||
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| For sure. | ||
| There's a lot of that going on with girls, man. | ||
| There is. | ||
| Winstraw is what we're talking about, folks. | ||
| You don't know what Winnie is. | ||
| Yeah, I wasn't referring to Winnie the Pooh. | ||
| I'm talking about Winstraw, son. | ||
| Steroids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of those fitness girls are doing steroids. | ||
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Yes. | |
| They just do a little bit. | ||
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Just a little bit. | |
| It changes them a little bit. | ||
| The jaw. | ||
| You look at the shoulders. | ||
| They get manly. | ||
| Anytime Cal sees a ripped girl, he goes, steroids! | ||
| They keep that shit though. | ||
| They keep it. | ||
| That's what's weird. | ||
| They keep the manly parts. | ||
| They don't just keep the muscles. | ||
| When they get off the shit, their face is still hard. | ||
| Yeah, their face structure is a little different. | ||
| There's a lady who lives in my neighborhood. | ||
| She used to be a big ol' Ms. Olympia. | ||
| And I see her walking around. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| She looks like a man, not just in her face, but in the way she carries herself. | ||
| Everything, right? | ||
| That sounds weird to say, but there's a certain masculine quality that the people, the women that take massive amounts of steroids, they develop. | ||
| They just develop. | ||
| They look different. | ||
| They're whiter. | ||
| Yeah, they don't look like they're going to take care of you. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I'm not attracted to that. | ||
| No. | ||
| Sweet and cuddly. | ||
| They're not going to be the best moms, is what I'm saying here. | ||
| You know what's interesting, too? | ||
| That's even bad. | ||
| But if you want that, those career women will be mad at you. | ||
| Oh, I know! | ||
| If you want a soft, sweet, caring woman who likes to cuddle and is going to be a good mom and is just sweet to be around and kind and friendly. | ||
| Oh, you mean the opposite of us? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but a lot of career women will get mad at you. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Like, oh, is that what you want? | ||
| You want a woman who just can't take care of herself? | ||
| Oh, you don't want an equal? | ||
| No, bitch, I'd date Brian Callen. | ||
| Like, I'm good. | ||
| I'd toss a wig on Brian if I wanted that. | ||
| Well, that equal stuff is like, equal how? | ||
| How so? | ||
| Oh, you just can't date your equal? | ||
| Oh, you go date some cartoon? | ||
| Like, alright. | ||
| Oh, okay, but they want to be a woman in some respect, right? | ||
| They don't want to be an equal. | ||
| They're not claiming they're, like, as strong as you or as funny as you or know as much about... | ||
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Pussy. | |
| Where are you an equal? | ||
| You're not an equal, you're a woman. | ||
| You're just an aggressive, successful, powerful woman. | ||
| But you're not a man. | ||
| Like, if you were an equal, I'd be gay. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| We'd be two dudes, like, high-fiving and butt-fucking. | ||
| Yes, and watching the game together. | ||
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Which is fine, too. | |
| Yeah, if that's your thing, that's cool. | ||
| But like, this whole want an equal? | ||
| Like, why are we playing math games? | ||
| Yeah, why can't we just be chill? | ||
| Can't we just like each other? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Why do we have to be equal? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| And I run from it. | ||
| I run from it. | ||
| Success women. | ||
| Who said there can only be one headshot in the household? | ||
| Have you ever heard that? | ||
| That's good, though. | ||
| You can only have one headshot in the household. | ||
| It's not going to work out if you both want to be famous. | ||
| You know what George Harrison once said? | ||
| He said, all I need from a woman is to be attracted to her, everything else I get from a man. | ||
| That's a great quote. | ||
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Wow. | |
| We're gonna get shit for that. | ||
| Well, we didn't say that. | ||
| I didn't say it. | ||
| No. | ||
| I would never say that. | ||
| I would not either. | ||
| I would agree with that. | ||
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I'd go, that's cool. | |
| I need a woman to be my equal. | ||
| I need an equal. | ||
| My equal. | ||
| Pay the rent, bitch. | ||
| And I need someone who calls me on my shit and yells at me all the time and throws things at me. | ||
| And even makes fun of me. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what I want. | ||
| That's exactly what. | ||
| Just demeaning. | ||
| And then comes home with a six-pack and rips a huge fart. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Female bodybuilder Candice Armstrong's steroid habit made her grow a penis and facial hair. | ||
| Whoa, she's a dude. | ||
| Are you sure that's real? | ||
| She's on that Gold's Gym diet. | ||
| Let's see the dick. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| See, she turned into a man. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| That's a heavy whitehead on her. | ||
| That's a giant whitehead on her bicep. | ||
| They must have put makeup on her, too. | ||
| How are they letting that whitehead go? | ||
| That's staff. | ||
| Yeah, why wouldn't they cover that up? | ||
| Dude, she's so jacked. | ||
| Look at her hands. | ||
| Oh my god, look at her arms. | ||
| Dude, she's jacked. | ||
| Ah, look at her face. | ||
| That's a dude. | ||
| That's a dude. | ||
| Come on, is this a joke? | ||
| This might be a joke. | ||
| She looks like Criss Angel. | ||
| She doesn't even look like... | ||
| But jacked. | ||
| Yeah, but the size of her hands looks proportionate, too. | ||
| She doesn't look like a girl. | ||
| There's nothing feminine about that woman. | ||
| Look at her back. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Look at those back pics. | ||
| I think that's the same person. | ||
| You sure? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| That's Photoshop. | ||
| Damn! | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That's a dude with a nice set of hair. | ||
| Well, some girls can be jacked and muscular, but still look like a woman. | ||
| Like Felice Herrig. | ||
| Do you see Felice Herrig? | ||
| She's fighting this weekend. | ||
| Bodied up. | ||
| She's bodied up. | ||
| But you see the picture of her doing double biceps from the back? | ||
| No. | ||
| There's some pictures she did at the UFC press thing. | ||
| You're like, jacked! | ||
| Attractive young lady. | ||
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Jacked! | |
| There's a few who are jacked, who are attractive. | ||
| She's jacked. | ||
| But she's jacked like a woman. | ||
| She's jacked like a woman who lifts weights. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't look artificial. | ||
| No. | ||
| This lady that we just saw. | ||
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That? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a good picture, but that's just her looking fit. | ||
| There's a picture of her. | ||
| Just Google her image, double bicep or something like that. | ||
| She's a lady. | ||
| She's an attractive lady. | ||
| There you see it. | ||
| She's Shred City, son. | ||
| That's a shredded, fit woman. | ||
| But that looks like a woman. | ||
| Like, look at her arms. | ||
| It looks like a powerful woman's arm. | ||
| Who's in shape as balls. | ||
| Yeah, in shape as fuck. | ||
| But that other lady, that didn't look like... | ||
| I should've said balls. | ||
| I didn't mean in shape as balls. | ||
| Goddammit. | ||
| You meant a good thing. | ||
| Now we get shit online. | ||
| She's a tank. | ||
| Fire shop! | ||
| He said balls! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We can't fire you for your own thing. | ||
| If they fire you from Showtime, it'll be like they use the force against themselves. | ||
| It'll just make you stronger. | ||
| I do say a lot of crazy shit, though. | ||
| You could do that show on your own. | ||
| Anything like that, you could do it on your own. | ||
| I think it's great that you're on Showtime. | ||
| It's a fun show, too. | ||
| What I like about it is you're being you on that show. | ||
| When I see you on that show, I'm like, oh, they let him be himself. | ||
| Like you say, a bunch of silly shit. | ||
| You're laughing. | ||
| There's a lot of cracking up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I have fun. | ||
| They let me do my thing. | ||
| The first one, there was a lot of teleprompter. | ||
| And I was like, God, that's really not my thing. | ||
| Y'all let me go. | ||
| And they listened to me. | ||
| That's the great thing about Showtime. | ||
| They listened to me. | ||
| But the fans were like, man, this isn't why we listen to Brendan to be another frickin' sports show. | ||
| Like, you gotta let him go. | ||
| And literally, they all were like, alright, here you go, man. | ||
| Here's your point. | ||
| Do what you want to do. | ||
| I'm like, really? | ||
| But then they edit it so I don't get in trouble. | ||
|
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Like, on my podcast. | |
| Which is why there's show time and I'm what I do well that mean this is what we We talked about the other day with Eve Edwards. | ||
| He was in here That was that's one of those things like and I was saying when you talk as much as we talk We both I talk too much you talk too much we talk too much yes when you talk too much Shit comes out of your mouth. | ||
| You're gonna step in some shit. | ||
| And then you're scrambling, trying to make it make sense. | ||
| Joe, I can't... | ||
| I didn't listen to the podcast with these. | ||
| I like these. | ||
| We don't know each other that well. | ||
| The thing that bothers me about this is I couldn't even tell you the point I was trying to make. | ||
| If someone's like, give us a million dollars, tell us the point you're trying to make. | ||
| I forget. | ||
| I remember I had Kevin Leon, and then I remember before that I was 20 minutes deep and explained why I think DC is the greatest of all time beside you as a commentator and why he's the future of the sport. | ||
| And then before that show, me and Brian were talking about something with race and men and women, and somehow that entered my brain and I have no animosity toward it. | ||
| This is why it doesn't make sense. | ||
| I have no animosity towards UFC Tonight. | ||
| It's one of my favorite shows. | ||
| I've worked with Karen Bryant for over 10 years. | ||
| She's a good friend. | ||
| Woodley. | ||
| DC, Kenny Florian's a good friend. | ||
| Bisbing's a good buddy. | ||
| I don't know Yves. | ||
| I work with the team on UFC Night. | ||
| I love those guys. | ||
| I just had Jimmy Smith in on my show who works there. | ||
| It makes zero sense. | ||
| And then I was in St. Louis and I started to get texts from someone involved in that show. | ||
| I won't say their name. | ||
| And he goes, hey man, some people are upset here about what you said. | ||
| And I'm like, I can't even tell you what I said. | ||
| And he tells me, what?! | ||
| And then Chin goes, hey man, I'm seeing online about some of this stuff. | ||
| He goes, should I edit it out? | ||
| I went, no, we never do that. | ||
| I go, don't edit. | ||
| Let me deal with it. | ||
| Let me see what I say. | ||
| Because that makes me look even worse if you cut it out. | ||
| It looks like I was saying something that I wasn't meant to say. | ||
| And then, you know, Yves was upset. | ||
| And then me and Yves text back and forth. | ||
| Again, I don't know him. | ||
| Brian worked with him a little bit on certain stuff for help or something like that for shows or what he was trying to do, which is great. | ||
| Everyone should talk to Brian if you're friends with him. | ||
| And then I sent Eve a text, his number from Brian, and I thought it was over, squashed. | ||
| And then I was doing PR for my Below the Belt show in New York. | ||
| And someone brought it up, and I went, oh, man. | ||
| Again, I meant no offense. | ||
| I come up with about 10 hours of content a week. | ||
| I can't even tell you what I was saying. | ||
| I messed up. | ||
| Whoever had problems with it, if it's Eve Edwards, that's his own insecurities, which is so stupid because I couldn't even tell you what he should be insecure about. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| And then as soon as I got done with that interview, I get texts from my brother who goes, you're an idiot. | ||
| You resurfaced that story. | ||
| I'm like, oh, my God. | ||
| And so I text Eve again. | ||
| And then Eve comes on here, right? | ||
| And then I haven't listened to it. | ||
| And then I text Eve like, dude, I don't want to keep going through this. | ||
| I'm at zero offense. | ||
| I've texted Karen Bryant, DC, Woodley, literally anyone you see tonight. | ||
| This business, especially entertainment, you know this better than anyone. | ||
| It's impossible to be successful in this business. | ||
| It's a fucking monster. | ||
| I'm willing to help them out. | ||
| I want the help. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I don't even want to criticize people. | ||
| That's not what I do. | ||
| That's not why I signed up for this. | ||
| You just got caught on a path when you started talking about something. | ||
| And then one of the things that we do, the best part about it is there's no script. | ||
| The best and the worst. | ||
| It's the worst. | ||
| Because I have to deal with this. | ||
| Sometimes it goes haywire. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It didn't go haywire. | ||
| My biggest issue is whenever someone was hurt by my words or is upset by something I said, then I'm like, again, I don't know Eve's that well at all. | ||
| But I lost sleep over it. | ||
| I'm like, oh my God, what am I doing? | ||
| I have respect for him. | ||
| He's a pioneer at 155. Again, I love all the people you see tonight. | ||
| I watch the show all the goddamn time. | ||
| They're my friends. | ||
| It makes zero sense. | ||
| And you tried to just make sense of your words. | ||
| Makes no sense. | ||
| I apologize to you. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| I told him, open door policy, once you come on the show, we can talk about it on there, but I put my foot in my mouth. | ||
| And I hate to tell you, it's probably going to happen again. | ||
| I wish I could say it's not. | ||
| It's probably going to happen again. | ||
| That's part of what makes it fun, is that you are really working without a filter, working without a net. | ||
| You're just trying to have fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's... | ||
| And sometimes you take some swings and you miss. | ||
| Yeah, you miss a lot. | ||
| I can't even tell what a ball I was trying to hit. | ||
| I can't even tell you. | ||
| I was taking swings at balls I didn't even know what I was hitting. | ||
| So, yeah, sometimes that shit happens. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just one of those things. | ||
| I mean, I've done it a hundred times on this podcast. | ||
| I said some shit, and I was like, what the fuck did I even say that for? | ||
| I don't even know what was going on in my mind. | ||
| And sometimes, like when you're trying to form a sentence, like right now I'm trying to form a sentence, right? | ||
| Like sometimes... | ||
| While you're thinking about it, you're like, this isn't going so good. | ||
| Let me try to make it sound better. | ||
| Or let me try to see if I can rescue this for the people that are listening and make some sense. | ||
| And then it just makes it more cloudy and more fucked up. | ||
| And it's hard for people to follow and you're just like, oh my god, I speak for a living. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Have you ever been on stage? | ||
| He's going through my set, and I've been doing it so much lately. | ||
| I'll be in the middle of it, and in my mind, I'll fast forward to already the next bit, and I'm thinking about that bit while I'm doing this one. | ||
| Have you ever done that? | ||
| You're going to be careful about that. | ||
| I know, because I'm not present. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| And you know what happened? | ||
| I skipped over a part that was new, and I thought it was going to be a home run. | ||
| I skipped over it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I went back, because I recorded it, right? | ||
| And I didn't realize I was doing the moment, and I listened and I go, oh my god! | ||
| And I remember in my head going, dude, you're here, you're in first base, you're looking at third already. | ||
| You missed second base. | ||
| You're not even the moment. | ||
| That's hard because you never know how you should think when you're on stage. | ||
| You're doing the bit and you're just trying to perform the bit right. | ||
| And if it's going well, then you start thinking, okay, this is going well. | ||
| What am I going to lead into next? | ||
| But while you're still talking about the original thing, you can't do that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Have you done that before, though? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, I've definitely done it. | ||
| I was so disappointed in myself, man. | ||
| The big thing about comedy, one of the big things is the audience has to know that you are honestly thinking about that subject. | ||
| Like, even if you talked about it a hundred times, When you're talking about it that day in front of those people, they want... | ||
| They're hearing it for the first time. | ||
| They want you to be tuned into that subject 100%. | ||
| And present. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're not, they can sense it. | ||
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I know. | |
| I know. | ||
| I was so disappointed in myself. | ||
| I've never done it before. | ||
| And it was very strange, too. | ||
| And this is what hurts me about the Eve Edwards situation is the guys I look up to, yourself, Gary Shandling, they always help people, man. | ||
| You don't put anyone down. | ||
| They always help people. | ||
| And I don't have the same platform you guys have, but... | ||
| I like to think one day I will, and I want to help people like you guys help people. | ||
| There's the 60 degrees of separation, and you look at all the lives you've touched and Gary Shanley, it's insane. | ||
| That's so inspirational to me. | ||
| And I was watching the Gary Shanley doc, and I went, man, that's so cool. | ||
| And that's why this Edwards situation is fucking me up, because I'm like, damn, man, I don't want to hurt anyone. | ||
| But back to the comedy, I was so excited because Gary Shanley stuff, whenever they show Comedy Store stuff, it's just, I'm so into it, man. | ||
| He was talking about the Comedy Store, and I got super inspired, and I was like, let's do this. | ||
| I've never been more pumped to hit the stage, and then that happened. | ||
| I was so disappointed. | ||
| You're still getting it. | ||
| I mean, think about how long you've been doing stand-up. | ||
| You've been doing it less than two years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is a thing that's going to come up. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's like when you're doing a certain move and you leave yourself open for an arm bar. | ||
| How the fuck am I still doing that? | ||
| You just have to cement it into your head. | ||
| It's a craft. | ||
| You've got a great work ethic. | ||
| And you're a funny dude. | ||
| And you're very good at going off the cuff. | ||
| And you're impulsive. | ||
| Those are all great qualities for comedy. | ||
| And you're also doing the work involved... | ||
| You're listening to tapes. | ||
| You're going over notes. | ||
| You're doing things a lot of comics don't do. | ||
| Because a lot of comics are fucking lazy. | ||
| Like, I've had conversations with dudes. | ||
| I'm like, you did a fucking special last August or last October and you're already recording another one? | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, I work. | ||
| I fucking work, man. | ||
| Like, I really work. | ||
| Like, I get home from a comedy store. | ||
| I'll get home. | ||
| It's 1230 at night. | ||
| I'll just sit in front of the fucking TV. I'll put something on just for background and I pull out the laptop and I start writing. | ||
| When you come back from the time store, right? | ||
| That's the best time to do it. | ||
| I go over subjects. | ||
| Sometimes I just have something in the background just for visual. | ||
| I just like to be stimulated by something. | ||
| Sometimes I'll just sit by myself at my desk. | ||
| Just nothing. | ||
| Just nothing but that fucking screen, staring at it. | ||
| And when I do that, every two or three days, I'll come up with a great line. | ||
| Every two or three days. | ||
| Which is nuts. | ||
| Which is nuts. | ||
| Which is a lot of work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And because usually I'll come home... | ||
| You know, it's late at night. | ||
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I'll just take one little hit. | |
| Just sit there and go over the ideas. | ||
| Give those ideas their time. | ||
| The stuff you already have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Give those ideas their time. | ||
| And then maybe I have a new idea. | ||
| Maybe I have a new idea. | ||
| I'll flesh that out, too. | ||
| And then I'll come back and look at that again tomorrow night. | ||
| And then I have a whole list. | ||
| I started using this program called Scrivener. | ||
| Have you ever heard of Scrivener? | ||
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No. | |
| On the iPad? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, you can use it on Mac. | ||
| It'll work on an iPad. | ||
| Or you could use it on Windows, too. | ||
| I've been writing on Windows. | ||
| Do you like that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like actual paper. | ||
| Paper's good, but I can't write with my hands as fast as I can type. | ||
| The phone version? | ||
| Oh, they've got a phone version, too. | ||
| Is that for Android as well? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| It says features for iOS. | ||
| So what exactly do you do with this, Joe? | ||
| Well, this is different. | ||
| Show the corkboard thing. | ||
| The corkboard thing is interesting. | ||
| What they do is, just see if you could, yeah, right there. | ||
| Pull that up. | ||
| So, they have it like, this is like, you could do it in different colors, so you could have different, each one of those things, those little windows, can be like a box. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| That, you know, that doesn't look like a cork board, but sometimes you could change the background shit and make it actually look like a cork board. | ||
| But what it is, is basically a board, a bulletin board, where you've taken an index card and you put it up there and the index card has the subject. | ||
| Oh, that's sweet. | ||
| I do that. | ||
| In real life, too. | ||
| I have a real cork board, and I put index cards on the cork board like if I'm doing like vegan cat. | ||
| I'll do that bit. | ||
| I'll put it up right there. | ||
| I can't wait for that one. | ||
| I put all these different things on the cork board. | ||
| Then I'll look at them, and I'll pick one, and then I'll do it. | ||
| But really all these different things is just about making the time, putting the focus in. | ||
| Discipline. | ||
| That's what you do, and that's why you're getting better so quick. | ||
| And all these other guys are like, what the fuck? | ||
| He's already doing an hour. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| He's touring the road. | ||
| He works! | ||
| He listens to those recordings. | ||
| Nobody listens to the recordings, man. | ||
| They record them, and they never listen to them. | ||
| I listen. | ||
| You gotta listen. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| It sucks to hear your voice, right? | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| That's what it looks like. | ||
| Oh, that's sweet, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, it's set up like that. | ||
| Like, where it literally looks like. | ||
| So, I have that on my laptop. | ||
| And so, I come home. | ||
| I'll bust open a card. | ||
| And I'll pick a subject. | ||
| And I'll start going. | ||
| And if something else comes to mind while I'm on that, I'll just start talking about that. | ||
| I'll just keep going. | ||
| It's all just about opening up the floodgates. | ||
| But really, just about giving... | ||
| Giving everything more time, giving everything more attention, more focus, you know? | ||
| And not just skimming through it. | ||
| It's never done. | ||
| What's good is a moment like this where you fucked up and you were thinking about one bit while you're thinking about another. | ||
| Now you know that that can happen. | ||
| So that's like a lesson. | ||
| So just look at it as a good thing. | ||
| Like now your set will be stronger because of that. | ||
| Whenever I have a bad set, the one good thing that it says to me is like, okay, I know how bad that feels. | ||
| I know where I went wrong. | ||
| It's live comedy, man. | ||
| Live is crazy. | ||
| There's so many factors. | ||
| It's so loose and wild. | ||
| It's a crazy way to perform. | ||
| And sometimes it doesn't go right. | ||
| It's the purest way to perform. | ||
| But everyone I know, like, as far as who's at, just the tip of the spear as far as comedy, like you, Burr, D'Elia, there's one thing in common, all you guys work, man. | ||
| Gotta work. | ||
| Work, relentless, relentless. | ||
| Constantly. | ||
| Gotta be doing sets all the time. | ||
| You know, I'll do sets three, four nights a week at the least. | ||
| A good week, I'll do five. | ||
| Like, wrapping up for my special, I'll do five. | ||
| And your special's in April, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| April 20th, Boston. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| 20th and 21st. | ||
| Can't wait, man. | ||
| How great is that room? | ||
| The best. | ||
| That room is crazy, right? | ||
| Dude, for me, I highlight that one. | ||
| As far as lifetime achievements of Wilbur, for a guy like me to sell at the Wilbur, what? | ||
| And then you open and we kept it a secret. | ||
| And I'm a chatty Cathy. | ||
| I'm so proud of myself. | ||
| That was great. | ||
| That was great. | ||
| The fucking best, man. | ||
| Well, also, that place is like three comedy clubs. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's like everyone's so close to you, even though it's like 1,100 people, 1,200 people, whatever it is, they're stacked up so close to you. | ||
| It's like 500 on the bottom, and then, yeah. | ||
| You know what's like that in the fight world is the Palms. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Where when I fought Roy, I was like, God, get off of me, man. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| I didn't like it. | ||
| The Palms was great. | ||
| Yeah, Palms was great. | ||
| They're not doing that anymore, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think, doesn't Lorenzo own the Palms now? | ||
| Didn't they buy the Palms? | ||
| Yeah, they did, yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Hashtag ballin'. | ||
| Takin' over. | ||
| Yeah, because 27 casinos just isn't enough. | ||
| Like, nah, let's keep it goin'. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They own all those station casinos. | ||
| Those fuckers are everywhere. | ||
| You ever stay that one? | ||
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No. | |
| Don't. | ||
| They made me stay at that Palace Station Casino before I went on the Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| The worst hotel I've ever stayed in my life. | ||
| Really? | ||
| The worst? | ||
| The worst. | ||
| Hands down, I've never stayed in the worst hotel. | ||
| Now, at the time, it was under construction, it was off the Strip, and of course, there was a hooker being smacked around the other room. | ||
| I've told this story. | ||
| When I thought I was going to be a Captain Saboho, and the guy pulled out a gun and I ran in my underwear and almost got kicked off the Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| I've told this story on here, I think. | ||
| But that was Palace Station Casino. | ||
| The guy pulled a gun on you? | ||
| Well, it was the night before The Ultimate Fighter, right? | ||
| Sorry if you've already heard this. | ||
| It was the night before The Ultimate Fighter, and they put all the fighters in there. | ||
| And they tell you, the production staff goes, do not leave this room. | ||
| If you leave this room, you will be kicked off the show before it even begins. | ||
| You're not allowed to leave this room. | ||
| We're taking your phone, everything. | ||
| All you have is what you bring in the house. | ||
| Do not leave this room. | ||
| We'll bring you food. | ||
| Any food you want, call down. | ||
| So I called, had myself a nice Caesar salad because I was worried about my figure on the Ultimate Fighter the next day. | ||
| And I finally fall asleep, and I hear this arguing next door, and the walls are paper thin. | ||
| It's Pallet Station, for God's sakes. | ||
| And I hear this guy and this girl arguing. | ||
| I'm like, it's waking me up. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| And then she's just going off, and I hear him slap the piss out of her. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Like, hard. | ||
| And then I hear her keep going, and I hear him hit her again. | ||
| I'm like, alright, man. | ||
| So I'm like, fuck this. | ||
| So I get up in my underoos to stop this, because I just thought it was a regular dude hitting a girl. | ||
| I'm not cool with that, man. | ||
| I get up, and it's all dark, get on my underwear, and I hear another dude go, nah, man, nah, man, fuck this bitch, I'm going to shoot her. | ||
| And I hear a gun clock them all. | ||
| Definitely not going in there now. | ||
| Fuck that noise. | ||
| And I'm like, God, it's so quiet. | ||
| I'm like, I don't want him to hear me. | ||
| So I'm army crawling in my undies to the door because I'm afraid fucking gunfire is going to go off. | ||
| I get to my door and I hear him go, hold up, dog. | ||
| Hold up. | ||
| Someone's next door. | ||
| I'm like, oh, shit. | ||
| So you'll see that I'm sure there's video of this pal station. | ||
| Me just booking down the hallway and And I run to the casino and the staff was like gambling or something. | ||
| They see me go running by and I went to go get security. | ||
| In your underwear? | ||
| In my underwear. | ||
| And I went to go get security. | ||
| But all the production staff saw me and they're like, what the fuck is Shaab doing? | ||
| So I told her, I'm like, hey, some girl's about to get shot next door. | ||
| I don't know what's going on, but she was hit before. | ||
| There's two dudes in there and there's a lady in my room, 213. And they're like, all right. | ||
| So they go, show us. | ||
| So I go up there. | ||
| I'm like, it's there. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| And then they just... | ||
| They go, go to your room. | ||
| But I'm in my room, like, looking to see what's going on. | ||
| And, like, a whole crew of them go in. | ||
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Fucking... | |
| The girl starts defending the dude. | ||
| Attacks security. | ||
| They have to tase the dude. | ||
| The other guy who's gonna shoot her, they put in handcuffs. | ||
| And it's two large, you know, black dudes. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| I'm like, fuck this. | ||
| So they bring me down the hallway. | ||
| Because just in case it was going on, they bring me down the hallway. | ||
| But I'm like this with the crew. | ||
| And I hear the guy go, I see you, white boy. | ||
| You fucking snitch. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| I'm all... | ||
| And I was like, can I get another room? | ||
| They're like, no, there's no more rooms. | ||
| I'm like, well, they know where I'm staying, man. | ||
| I'm supposed to start a show tomorrow. | ||
| I mean, what do you want us to do? | ||
| I'm like, anything else. | ||
| And I have to stay there, and I got zero, zero winks of sleep. | ||
| Literally zero. | ||
| Zero, man. | ||
| I was so scared. | ||
| And the next morning when they knocked, I was like, yes, yes, I'm here, I'm here. | ||
| Put me in the Ultimate Fighter house. | ||
| Yeah, that guy got out of jail, like, quick, I guarantee you. | ||
| Oh, dude, for slapping up, and she was a prostitute. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| But still, it was a pimp and a prostitute, and then some John was in there. | ||
| She's a woman, Brendan. | ||
| She's a woman. | ||
| She's my equal. | ||
| She's your equal? | ||
| She's my equal. | ||
| I like how you think. | ||
| You think you're a feminist? | ||
| Ah, man. | ||
| That's where I get in trouble. | ||
| It's tough, man. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Even as a joke. | ||
| That's just showing your belly. | ||
| I know, man. | ||
| This whole Me Too movement, and it's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a tricky situation. | ||
| It is. | ||
| You think it's going to bounce back? | ||
| I think the game's changed forever. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I think if you're a creep, you can get sought out and found out. | ||
| However, I think men in power, in position, and if there's an attractive young lady in the office or the studio, this is always going to be the dynamic. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think there's some attractive young ladies out there who are like, I don't have a problem with it. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Yeah, he's an attractive dude, just happens to have some power and get me movies or whatever, but I actually like him. | ||
| You know, I'm not being forced to do this. | ||
| Well, there's a new option now. | ||
| It's almost like a new element is in the game. | ||
| Like, if you're playing a game, and then all of a sudden someone found, like, a new magic power. | ||
| You can end careers now. | ||
| If you are, like, a woman who was sexually abused by a guy like Harvey Weinstein, you just have to take it. | ||
| Now, you have a new power. | ||
| Which is what I'm all about. | ||
| However, some will take advantage of that power and pull that card when it's not real. | ||
| And dudes are losing their jobs. | ||
| It's like, whoa! | ||
| There's people that are crazy. | ||
| Like, look, that video that we were watching before the podcast today, that lady who shot up YouTube, we're watching her online videos. | ||
| One of the worst YouTube videos I've ever seen. | ||
| She's fucking nuts. | ||
| And there's going to be people like that, and there's going to be people like that that take advantage of the Me Too movement. | ||
| It's just going to be... | ||
| I mean, there's no way you can deny that. | ||
| It's just part of human nature. | ||
| That's with anything, though, right? | ||
| Yeah, but ultimately... | ||
| Ultimately, where it's going to shift is, look, people have to be nicer to each other. | ||
| And they can't get away with shit like that. | ||
| And that's, what Weinstein was doing was nothing but crime. | ||
| It's just crime. | ||
| He's a bad dude. | ||
| He's a bad dude. | ||
| And I'm glad that happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I really am. | ||
| I'm glad he got sought out and he's screwed and he should be screwed. | ||
| Do you imagine being a chick and you have to suck that fat guy's dick in order to get in a movie? | ||
| Hey Harvey, is there any way you could just look a little more attractive? | ||
| No. | ||
| Do you have to be so hideous? | ||
| There's nothing he could do at this point. | ||
| They would have to cut chunks of his face and pull it back together again. | ||
| He's got this blah blah blah. | ||
| What about the diet? | ||
| Blah blah blah. | ||
| It's part of the whole thing, right? | ||
| It's like he's a glutton. | ||
| Would girls complain if you look like Brad Pitt though? | ||
| Tony Hinchcliffe has a bit. | ||
| Oh, doesn't he? | ||
| My bad. | ||
| I haven't heard it, by the way. | ||
| I wasn't trying to screw up Tony's bit. | ||
| He doesn't use that as an example, but it's a great bit. | ||
| You have to see it. | ||
| I don't want to even paraphrase it. | ||
| Did I give it away? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You didn't. | ||
| It's a great bit. | ||
| It actually involves Louis C.K. It's a great bit. | ||
| Oh, I love it. | ||
| It's really fucking funny. | ||
| Tony's brilliant. | ||
| I don't want to tell you where it goes because it goes even crazier. | ||
|
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Please don't. | |
| Because I'll see it tonight. | ||
| You've got to see it. | ||
| Are you going to see him tonight? | ||
| Yeah, he's at the store. | ||
| I'm at the store. | ||
| He murdered. | ||
| I took him on the road with me this past week. | ||
| He's a killer. | ||
|
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Murdering. | |
| He murdered him in Nashville. | ||
| Murdered. | ||
| Murdered him in Charlotte. | ||
| A lot of rednecks heckling. | ||
|
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Woo! | |
| Really? | ||
| Tony had to go to war. | ||
| Good luck heckling Tony. | ||
| I mean, he's a writer for the roast, for God's sakes. | ||
| He's so witty. | ||
| I fucked up one time and had let my shield down and told him I almost started crying in Comedy Central, and I just feel his neck get stiff and goes... | ||
| And right away I'm like, oh no! | ||
| Here he comes. | ||
| And he was like, you almost cried in Comedy Central? | ||
| And just roasted me for basically the rest of the show. | ||
| Why did you almost cry in Comedy Central? | ||
| Just because it's full circle for a guy like me to be on Comedy Central doing stand-up, you know, it was just a special night for me. | ||
| And during the story that I tell, I talk about how I realized I've never become UFC champ, but being on Comedy Central. | ||
| And Judd Apatow is one of the books I've read when I was super, you know, getting started in comedy. | ||
| And that day I had Judd Apatow on my show, that night I did Comedy Central. | ||
| I don't know, it just hit me in that moment when I was on stage at a strip club where they shoot it. | ||
| And I don't know, I got emotional. | ||
| I was like, you need to get your shit together, man. | ||
| You gotta get your shit together. | ||
| Yeah, I was happy and I was emotional, man. | ||
| And then I said that on the podcast, and I just feel Hinchcliffe's neck go... | ||
| What? | ||
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And I was like, oh, fuck! | |
| He's like, this isn't Comedy Central in 2010! | ||
| And just went nuts, man. | ||
| Well, Hinchcliffe's always had a thing with Comedy Central, for whatever reason. | ||
| Yeah, for whatever reason. | ||
| He's got a burr on his side about them, like they didn't appreciate him. | ||
| He's a very underrated guy, man. | ||
| Like, right now, he's still, to this day, right now, he's underrated. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And I think with your show, he was close. | ||
| I think he's a monster on our show. | ||
| The most underrated guy who should be selling out theaters is Theo Vaughn. | ||
| Well, we were talking about that before. | ||
| Theo's got a... | ||
| He hit a stride within the last year. | ||
| He hit a stride where he just like... | ||
| Sometimes you'll see dudes. | ||
| They're doing really well. | ||
| And then for whatever reason, they figure something out and they take it to the next level. | ||
| And that's where Theo is right now. | ||
| He's a unique guy. | ||
| His comedy is so unique. | ||
| You wouldn't work with anybody. | ||
| You won't see it anywhere else. | ||
| Sometimes I'll watch other comedians and I'll go, I can see how they came up with that idea. | ||
| When I watch Theo, I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| Where are you smoking? | ||
| Where were you raised? | ||
| How's that your view of the world? | ||
| Were you raced by a fucking pack of crocodiles in New Orleans? | ||
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Like, where the fuck did you come up with this? | |
| Yeah, but even just hanging around with him, like, offstage, he's just a weird dude. | ||
| Oh, bro, he pulled up this dude yesterday, and he just got a new car. | ||
| I won't say a car, a nice car, we'd like it. | ||
| And I go, dude, you're killing it, man. | ||
| That's your car? | ||
| He goes, yeah. | ||
| And he goes, some homosexual bumped into the bathroom in there. | ||
| Why is he a homosexual? | ||
| He's like, because he was. | ||
| I'm like, all right, man. | ||
| It just happened to be. | ||
| Yeah, he's like, just happened to be. | ||
| He's just so hilarious, man. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of good guys right now. | ||
| I was talking about watching that Gary Shandling stuff and doing all the stuff. | ||
| That's Judd's documentary, right? | ||
| That's Judd Apto's documentary. | ||
| It's brilliant on his process and stuff like that. | ||
| I got emotional on that as well. | ||
| I don't know if you guys know this, obviously I'm a complete bitch, but Gary Chandler talks about how his goal going through everything was to get on The Tonight Show, and then he does it, and he walks backstage and he kills it, right? | ||
| But that was his goal, and he starts crying. | ||
| He Falls into Bob Saget's arm starts crying, right? | ||
| Because that was his goal. | ||
| But he's talking about the Comedy Store, and he's talking about all the big names there, and I was thinking, God, that must have been cool to be involved in that back then, around all those big names. | ||
| I was talking to Brian. | ||
| Brian goes, man, right now the Comedy Store, some would argue it's better. | ||
| And when you think about it, I'm like, God, it is. | ||
| When you think about all the fucking just legends, man. | ||
| You, Burr, you got Mary, you got Deli. | ||
| I mean, the list goes on and on and on. | ||
| I'm like, oh my God, it's bad. | ||
| It's a crazy time. | ||
| It's certainly the best time at the store in terms of the amount of time that I've been there, and I started going there in 94. It's a long time. | ||
| It's a long-ass time. | ||
| So in 24 years that I've been going there, it's better now than ever before. | ||
| But when you think about it, I mean, obviously there's the cellar in New York, but as far as like, you go there on a Tuesday night, go there on a Wednesday night. | ||
| I mean, it's frickin' murder's row. | ||
| Yeah, they're very similar. | ||
| They're very similar in a way. | ||
| And they're also very similar in that they become big tourist traps, too. | ||
| Comedy store, people take vacations for comedy. | ||
| They do comedy vacations and they fly from Australia. | ||
| Getting a lot of people from Australia. | ||
| Yeah, but because you know if you show up, you're going to see Bill Burr, Rogan, Mark Mirren, and Delia in the same night. | ||
| Almost every week, one of us is there. | ||
| Someone's there. | ||
| At least. | ||
| Unless someone's on tour, someone's off. | ||
| Yeah, and a lot of times you are on tour. | ||
| But shit, on any given Tuesday, Dave Chappelle might stop in. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And then Chris Rock. | ||
| Chris Rock. | ||
| Maybe Louis will make his comeback there. | ||
| I hope he does. | ||
| I'm a Louis fan. | ||
| People like, whatever. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| You're like people watching you beat off. | ||
| It's worse shit. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just need someone to come up. | ||
| Someone has to do something much more horrible. | ||
| You know, Callan's shooting his special, I think, in July now. | ||
| He is? | ||
| For who? | ||
| I forget who's shooting it, but definitely not his buddy who works for ESPN this time. | ||
| So they're doing it right. | ||
| He's doing it right this time, but they're going to go out there and try and sell it. | ||
| But he's ready to go. | ||
| I just hope it works out for Kalen as far as Netflix or Showtime or somewhere. | ||
| You gotta land somewhere, you know? | ||
| So is he gonna sell it and then bring it somewhere? | ||
| Is that the move? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I don't want to misquote Brian, but I'm almost positive. | ||
| But he has someone who, I think he shot Segura's and a bunch of other guys' stuff. | ||
| Like, it's someone who knows what the hell they're doing. | ||
| Where's he gonna do it? | ||
| I think Chicago. | ||
| Ooh, Chicago's a good spot. | ||
| In July, yeah. | ||
| Ooh, that's a good spot. | ||
| I'm there for the UFC in June. | ||
| I'm doing the Chicago Theater. | ||
| June 7th or some shit. | ||
| I love Chicago. | ||
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Ooh! | |
| What theater? | ||
| Last time I did Vic. | ||
| Chicago Theater? | ||
| Chicago Theater. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's a beautiful, beautiful old place, too. | ||
| Yeah, Chicago's awesome, man. | ||
| Doesn't get enough love. | ||
| It's a weird place, right? | ||
| Does it not get enough love? | ||
| I feel like everyone fucking loves Chicago. | ||
| They're pizza. | ||
| People won't shut up about it. | ||
| It's not really pizza. | ||
| It's a casserole. | ||
| It's a casserole. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Stop calling that a pizza. | ||
| That's not a pizza. | ||
| If it's a large, thick square, that would be a casserole that I come from. | ||
| If you have a hamburger and you roll it up in a tortilla, is that still a hamburger? | ||
| No. | ||
| That's a tortilla. | ||
| It's a wrap. | ||
| That's a burrito, bitches. | ||
| Is that In-N-Out protein style, then? | ||
| Oh, that's lettuce. | ||
| We call that a lettuce taco. | ||
| That's a wrap, though, in the Chinese food place. | ||
|
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Correct. | |
| Lettuce wrap. | ||
|
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Chicken wrap. | |
| But it's not wrapped. | ||
| See, the difference is the way you make it. | ||
| It's rolled up. | ||
| Look, you can take a piece of pizza and flatten it out and fold it over and over again, and then it'll become folded pizza. | ||
| But if it starts out folded, what are you selling me? | ||
| It's a calzone. | ||
| Yeah, you're selling me a goddamn calzone. | ||
| I love calzanas. | ||
| I'm a fan. | ||
| I'm a fan of calzanas as well. | ||
| Have you had a good thick piece of pizza from basic casserole from Chicago, though? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Best you've ever had, though? | ||
| It's very good. | ||
| The best you've ever had? | ||
| Where's the place we go to? | ||
| Che Guevara's. | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| Giordano's, that one? | ||
| Might have been. | ||
| You know who makes a nice square piece is Kings in New York? | ||
| Or have you ever heard of, ah, fuck, I'm getting the artichoke pizza in New York? | ||
| Artichoke pizza? | ||
| It's called artichoke pizza. | ||
| Do you have to have ripped pants to get in there? | ||
| No, sir. | ||
| No, sir. | ||
| People kept telling me to go there. | ||
| When I was in New York working for Showtime, I tried one slice. | ||
| You know, Postmates. | ||
| Postmates is what makes me fat now. | ||
| Postmates? | ||
| Postmates. | ||
| Oh, is that the way you get food delivered to your house? | ||
| They just pick it up and drop it off to your hotel room. | ||
| So I get done after a long day of PR. I'm like, ah, pizza would be great. | ||
| So I get two slices. | ||
| I'm like, next night, I'm like, fuck, that was delicious. | ||
| Next thing you know, I've got a fucking love handle and a triple chin. | ||
| Isn't it weird how when you're tired, you want carbs? | ||
| You want sugar and carbs. | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| I think it's like my willpower's weak. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I never fuck with Egg McMuffins or McGriddles. | ||
| My mouth's watering. | ||
| But if I'm at the airport and I'm on a fucking 7 a.m. | ||
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flight. | |
| You and I ate one together. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You and I ate one together. | ||
| I never eat that shit. | ||
| You and I ate it together. | ||
| It was so good for the brief moment it was in my mouth. | ||
| Dude, you know what I was thinking? | ||
| I'm like, fuck, I'd love a McGriddle, but I don't want to be judged right now. | ||
| I'm going to wait to see if he goes to that fucking weird, bright place on the breakfast spot on the right, or is he going to go to McDonald's? | ||
| When he started leaning over there, I went, I want to be mad at Egg McMuffin. | ||
| And he just looked at me and went, yeah, fuck this. | ||
| Let's do this. | ||
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Yes! | |
| Yes! | ||
| That's why I ate before I saw you guys. | ||
| I thought you would skip it. | ||
| Oh, that's funny. | ||
| You don't want to be the guy who pulls the trigger. | ||
| You don't want to be judged, man. | ||
| Yeah, most of the time, I'm going to not pull the trigger. | ||
| But I feel like that's part of the thing. | ||
| It's like pulling that trigger every now and then for the fuck of it. | ||
| Have some fun. | ||
| Get chicken and waffles. | ||
| Go to Roscoe's. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go to Roscoe's and slather that motherfucker with maple syrup and butter. | ||
| You just can't do it every day. | ||
| Can't do it every day. | ||
| But you can do it one day a week. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| The Rock, his Instagram, the pictures of him eating stacks of pancakes. | ||
| His cheat meal? | ||
| Stacks of pancakes. | ||
| Definitely a photo shoot. | ||
| Yeah, I hear you. | ||
| You ain't eating all that, son. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| No, that's definitely so. | ||
| But he's a giant. | ||
| You don't think he eats all that shit? | ||
| He's not a giant. | ||
| I mean, he's on different supplements than I am. | ||
| We're very similar size. | ||
| Different supplements. | ||
| Different supplements, sir. | ||
| Different supplements. | ||
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Supplementes. | |
| Do you think they come from south of the border? | ||
| I'm sure he's eating the same tacos. | ||
| He's eating the same tacos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you see he came out and said he has depression? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's a football thing, man. | ||
| I think... | ||
| And then also, pro wrestling. | ||
| All that slamming. | ||
| All that getting slammed around. | ||
| This is my take on this. | ||
| I think... | ||
| I mean, I'm sure you dealt with depression, right? | ||
| You have bummer days. | ||
| Jamie, you have bummer days, right? | ||
| Shit happens. | ||
| I think there's a difference between having a depression... | ||
| Period in your life or events in your life and then, you know, you're normally a happy dude. | ||
| And then there's people with severe depression who have to be medicated. | ||
| There's a scale. | ||
| Yeah, and he's not on that scale. | ||
| No, he's not on that scale. | ||
| It makes news because he goes, hey, I've been sad too before. | ||
| And we're like, yes! | ||
| Rocket's sad too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Different sad. | ||
| We're not talking to Ari Shaffir depressed here. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Right. | ||
| He was talking about his mom was Ari Shaffir depressed though. | ||
| Much more so. | ||
| His mom walked into traffic. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And I'm not throwing shade at Ari. | ||
| We've talked about Ari having depression before and he takes medication. | ||
| That's why I said that. | ||
| Well, he doesn't anymore. | ||
| He's off medication? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His life got better. | ||
| He magically became... | ||
| Oh, weird. | ||
| Yeah, he's a phenomenal comic and successful, and he's not depressed anymore? | ||
| No, he's not depressed anymore. | ||
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Weird. | |
| Also, he got off Propecia. | ||
| Callan calls bullshit on it. | ||
| Callan's taking Pro-Petra like they're Skittles, and he's the happiest man I know. | ||
| Yeah, but it's not necessarily universal. | ||
| Some people can take penicillin and they don't have a problem. | ||
| Other people are allergic to it. | ||
| Yeah, but I think it's a rare case where you take Pro-Petra and get depressed. | ||
| I don't think it's that rare. | ||
| If you look at the studies, and this comes from Callan. | ||
| This is bro science. | ||
| Well, Callan just wants that hair. | ||
| He wants to keep that hair so bad. | ||
| He'll do anything. | ||
| I think you should wear a wig. | ||
| A good fat one. | ||
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Yes! | |
| A red one. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Just go crazy. | ||
| So I can yank it off and shit? | ||
| I want to wear a wig so bad. | ||
| Like one of those mesh net ones? | ||
| Just like the LeBron sprayed on. | ||
| Almost looks like a Pittsburgh Steeler helmet. | ||
| Is LeBron still doing that? | ||
|
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Yeah, kind of. | |
| You just gotta let it go. | ||
| Question on this though. | ||
| Wouldn't you take Propecia because you're a little depressed, because your hair is falling out? | ||
| And if it didn't work, you're gonna stay a little depressed. | ||
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Correct. | |
| It also fucks with your dick game. | ||
| Yeah, maybe, but I think what they're saying is like suicidal depression. | ||
| That there's something about the DHT inhibitor. | ||
| Dihydrotestosterone, which is a derivative of testosterone, is what causes you to have your hair fall out. | ||
| The DHT inhibiting factors in Propecia with some people. | ||
| It adds to it. | ||
| It's a low percentage though, I'm pretty sure. | ||
| It might be. | ||
| The study this comes from, which I googled it, it might have been more than one study, but it was in 2012 and it was only 61 men. | ||
| Oh, they only did 61 men? | ||
| And how many got depressed? | ||
| It said, uh, 61 men who formerly used Propecia who experienced more than three months of sexual side effects and had no history of depression, sexual problems of any sort. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Dude, if I'm losing my hair and my dick won't get up, I'm gonna be depressed too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll stop taking Propecia. | ||
| And then also you gotta figure, like, what's happening in your love life? | ||
| If you're depressed and your dick doesn't work. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| You can get more depressed. | ||
| But also, are you at a 9-to-5 job you hate and you can't pay the bills and then you have family drama? | ||
| 11% of those, I guess 11% of the 61, which would be, what, 6 of them? | ||
| 5 or 6? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Had mild symptoms of depression, 28 had moderate, and 36 had severe. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| 36 had severe? | ||
| I mean, so that's also then when you're asking them, so it's like, what was the study? | ||
| But hold on a second. | ||
| Did you say 61 people, 36% had severe depression? | ||
| They also found that 44% of the men had experienced thoughts of suicide. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| What? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| 44%? | ||
| Right, but that's what I'm also going in. | ||
| Would they just ask them, like, have you ever thought of it? | ||
| Well, if it's a scientific study, I'm sure there's some sort of protocol they have to follow. | ||
| Let me understand this, though. | ||
| 66 people? | ||
| We're randomly, how many people took it? | ||
| Right, it says the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry study included 61 men. | ||
| That's what it says. | ||
| So what is that, like 28 dudes wanted to kill themselves? | ||
| That's fucking crazy! | ||
| Yeah, I'll probably lay off that Propecia. | ||
| Fuck that! | ||
| I'll just go bald, man. | ||
| Dude, Ari said it was like almost instant and he never put the two of them together. | ||
| Never put the two of them together. | ||
| Depression with the... | ||
| With the suicidal thoughts. | ||
| Like, all of it came, like, right when he got... | ||
| Like, you know, he had had some issues in the past with being depressed after breakups. | ||
| Normal shit. | ||
| Like, everybody has. | ||
| Been there. | ||
| But it wasn't... | ||
| That's not the case. | ||
| I never want to kill myself. | ||
| He didn't... | ||
| Ari's kind of a stoic dude. | ||
| He's very proud and he doesn't talk a lot about stuff. | ||
| And so it took like me and him hanging out where he like wasn't talking and I was like, okay, what's the matter? | ||
| And he's like, dude, it's just hard. | ||
| It's hard to just not kill myself. | ||
| He said that to you? | ||
| And I went, what? | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we were playing pool in my house and I was like, what? | ||
| I go, what's going on? | ||
| And so he starts telling me, um, they put him on medication. | ||
| And the medication didn't work. | ||
| And then they put him on another medication. | ||
| And then that didn't work. | ||
| And, you know, he's with SAG. He had SAG, AFTRA insurance. | ||
| Not the best insurance. | ||
| And he's like, I don't know what to do. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, this is one of my best friends. | ||
| And he's reaching out. | ||
| I'm like, okay. | ||
| Yeah, he's saying something for a reason. | ||
| And I don't have any experience with that. | ||
| I mean, I've had some bummer moments in my life, but I would never say that I was depressed. | ||
| I'm a pretty happy person. | ||
| You've been depressed, though. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I've had bad moments. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But I've never gone through depression. | ||
| I've never been down for like six months. | ||
| No, I've never couldn't get out of bed or thought about suicide. | ||
| No, there's a scale of that shit. | ||
| I've thought about dying. | ||
| He was on the dark end of the scale where he was thinking about killing himself and trying to not do it. | ||
| So, I started making some phone calls and I found, my business manager found the best psychiatrist. | ||
| Like he said, this guy is a wizard. | ||
| He's dealt with a bunch of my clients before. | ||
| He's helped out a lot. | ||
| It was very expensive. | ||
| So I just paid for it. | ||
| Not to save a life, though. | ||
| I just told Paul, no. | ||
| I mean, I don't think about it that way. | ||
| I mean, for Ari, he couldn't afford it. | ||
| Oh, so Ari's like, yeah, I'm sure a great option. | ||
| I can't afford this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, he was getting by winning poker tournaments and getting the occasional commercial. | ||
| How long ago is this? | ||
| Quite a few years ago. | ||
| I want to say like 2000... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was quite a few years ago. | ||
| 2004? | ||
| Some shit like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't remember when it was. | ||
| But it was far enough back where Ari was really struggling as a comedian. | ||
| I mean, he's talked about this publicly, otherwise I wouldn't talk about it. | ||
| No, that's why I brought it up. | ||
| He's talked about it publicly. | ||
| I'm not airing Ari's dirty laundry out there. | ||
| I love Ari. | ||
| I mean, I don't know what caused it. | ||
| If it was that... | ||
| I can't stop coughing today. | ||
| Like, my kids are sick as fuck. | ||
| That's how it goes, man. | ||
| My youngest one. | ||
| Yeah, then everyone gets it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He just, his career wasn't going well, because he was, you know, he was just getting the ball rolling, really. | ||
| But I really think it was the Pro-P show. | ||
| Don't you think it was the perfect storm? | ||
| Propecia, career, who knows what's going on with this girl, and then it's just this fucking perfect storm. | ||
| Then if the Propecia's making you even more depressed, then you're like, dude, I'm thinking about killing myself? | ||
| What the fuck is going on right now? | ||
| Some dark stuff. | ||
| So he pulled out of it, got off the Propecia, And then his career took the fuck off, right? | ||
| He got on good medication. | ||
| Whatever the medication his new psychiatrist got him on worked like a charm and like he was better in like a Couple months a couple months. | ||
| He was like back to Ari fucking around laughing then oddly enough When it started working really well for him, then his career started taking off, right? | ||
| Of course, that's how it works. | ||
| His stand-up started taking off, his career started taking off, he became happier, got off the Propecia, and then weaned himself off the drugs. | ||
| And now he's good. | ||
| Now he's good, yeah. | ||
| Now he's great to see. | ||
| But he smokes a lot of weed, and I always wonder, like, how much of that is self-medicating? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But it's okay. | ||
| But you smoke a ton of weed. | ||
| It's not self-medicating though, right? | ||
| No, I like it. | ||
| You just like doing it. | ||
| You're not a dark guy. | ||
| It makes you vulnerable. | ||
| It makes you think about shit. | ||
| It makes you nervous. | ||
| You don't just take things for granted when you get high. | ||
| You know, my problem is I smoked the other night because I couldn't sleep and I was thinking about a lot of things. | ||
| And then I got this thought in my head. | ||
| This is some weird shit, man. | ||
| I was talking. | ||
| I think I was telling Cal on this. | ||
| I hate when I think like this. | ||
| But I was in San Jose and I saw this mom with two homeless kids. | ||
| I was at the store and I was going to buy an expensive sweater and I felt so guilty. | ||
| So I went and got cash and gave this mom a bunch of cash. | ||
| And she started crying. | ||
| I'm like, fuck. | ||
| And there's like this weird guy around the kids, and the kid was about my son's age, about two, sitting there, this little girl. | ||
| And I thought, I don't know why. | ||
| I had this random thought, what if he grabbed her by the legs and spiked her on the ground? | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And then I gave her the cast. | ||
| I felt better because there's more people around. | ||
| I'm like, no one's going to let that happen to a kid. | ||
| And so that whole night fucked up about it. | ||
| And then someone reached out to me like, dude, that's her side hustle. | ||
| She does that all the time. | ||
| She's actually not. | ||
| We've seen her raise those kids on the street. | ||
| She gets picked up by her husband. | ||
| It's a shitty deal. | ||
| So I'm like, all right, that's fine. | ||
| But I smoked weed, right? | ||
| And I'm laying in bed, and then I had this visual of someone doing that to my son. | ||
| I got to sleep. | ||
| I felt sick to my stomach. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Like, sometimes weed, I can think, if I think about a bit, I think about something, I'll go down this cool road. | ||
| But then if that creeps in there, and then it's like, it kept coming back. | ||
| It was so visual. | ||
| And I was, like, sick to my stomach, man. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's part of... | ||
| My son woke up at 5, and I fucking beelined to his room and just, like, squeezed the fuck out of him for the rest of the morning. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's hard, man. | ||
| Nobody knows how much you love a person, how much you can love a person until you have a kid. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Everyone says that. | ||
| Everyone says that. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, okay. | ||
| Everyone I know, you told me that. | ||
| Brian told me. | ||
| Everyone told me this. | ||
| But then once you have a kid, it's like, I don't know, man. | ||
| It's just a different animal where now, like, when I see the shootings, when I see, you know, the nuclear war talk with North Korea and Russia, I think, God, and I see a lot of negativity on social media and stuff like that. | ||
| I'm like, the world is such a kind of a fucked up place if you want to look into that stuff. | ||
| And when I have a kid, I think about him. | ||
| I'm like, God. | ||
| What's it going to be like when he's like 16 or 18? | ||
| What kind of world is it going to be when he's 18? | ||
| If I think too hard about it, that's when I'll get depressed. | ||
| Well, I think the world's going to be okay. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I don't mean to bring this podcast down to a bummer. | ||
| No, but horrible things are going to happen no matter what. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| But it changes who you are when you have a kid. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| Or you're a piece of shit. | ||
| Or you're a sociopath and you suck. | ||
| If you're around the kid enough, it changes who you are. | ||
| And if you're not around the kid, it changes who you are because then you realize you're not around the kid and that's going to take a piece out of who you think you are. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| And we have friends who aren't great dads or whatever and you can see it in their kids. | ||
| And I'm not saying a psychologist or I'm some expert in parenting, but if I go to a person's house and I see the way the kids treat the parents, I go, you're not around enough, man. | ||
| I promise you, I can tell. | ||
| My son doesn't act like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can call me whatever you want. | ||
| One thing I am is a beast of a dad. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| I don't know if I'm a good comic. | ||
| I don't know if I was a good fighter. | ||
| I don't know if I'm a good podcaster. | ||
| That's all up for debate. | ||
| One thing I know is I'm a fucking good dad, man. | ||
| Good for you, man. | ||
| That's a very, very, very, very important quality. | ||
| And that quality, when your kid becomes an adult, that's going to be just a major factor in how you get along. | ||
| I mean, even parents... | ||
| I know friends... | ||
| They had bad relationships with their parents when they lived with them. | ||
| And then once they got out, their parents were nice to them. | ||
| But their parents were shitty to them when they were kids. | ||
| And they always hold it against them. | ||
| They always have that shit in the back of their head. | ||
| Like, why were you a dick when I was 12? | ||
| That shit is always in their head. | ||
| It's like that avatar horse. | ||
| When you're young, you mix together. | ||
| And if you don't mix together when you're young... | ||
| And I was talking to someone, a therapist. | ||
| They were saying, I think it's from like, till they're three. | ||
| If you don't make that connection... | ||
| When you're like, oh, when they're four, like, oh, I'll do it now, it's almost too late. | ||
| Because they already developed these brain pathways where like, nope, my dad's an ass. | ||
| And there's really nothing you can do to fix it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man, I went to the movies yesterday with my kid. | ||
| What movie? | ||
| We went to see the Gnomeo and Juliet movie. | ||
| Oh, dope. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Sherlock Gnomes? | ||
| Yeah, the Sherlock Gnomes. | ||
| Yeah, cute little movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, we went to that Senniopolis place where, you know, you lean back, you know those things? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The seats lean back. | ||
| Good food. | ||
| And you take the seat rest down, and she just, my seven-year-old, just snuggles with me. | ||
| The best. | ||
| We're snuggling, watching a movie. | ||
| I'm like, I couldn't be happier. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I don't want to see this stupid fucking movie. | ||
| No, but I don't care. | ||
| But she wants to. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So I couldn't be happier. | ||
| I sat there and watched this. | ||
| Silly no bullshit movie. | ||
| Yeah, she's just a little snuggle-bunny. | ||
| I've watched Boss Baby nine times. | ||
| Boss Baby's not a bad movie. | ||
| In like a week though. | ||
| That's a pretty funny movie though. | ||
| Boss Baby's great. | ||
| Al Baldwin's The Voice. | ||
| I've watched like nine times. | ||
| But my son, whenever we watch, he snuggles up with me. | ||
| When usually, this is why I want a daughter. | ||
| This is why I'm jealous you have daughters. | ||
| Because daughters love their dads. | ||
| My son, I'm like, you little traitor. | ||
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Little bitch. | |
| Mommy! | ||
| Mommy! | ||
| Dude, it's me! | ||
| Every morning you cry for your mom? | ||
| Girls are like that too in a lot of ways. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| You gotta accept the fact that the mom is not just the soft, sweet... | ||
| Woman in the house, but she's also the person who made them in her body. | ||
| Yeah, and there's chemical connection. | ||
| It came out of her body, man. | ||
| I had a deal with my wife. | ||
| I'm not naming any kids. | ||
| I go, I got veto power. | ||
| I go, but you do way more work. | ||
| It's way harder to make the person. | ||
| I go, as long as you try to call the kid applesauce or something fucking stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just don't feel like... | ||
| It's not an even proposition. | ||
| All I did was fuck her. | ||
| Which you were going to do anyways. | ||
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Which I was going to do anyways, but now we've got to deal with this seed. | |
| Yeah, you've got a bonus. | ||
| They've got a bonus. | ||
| Overtime for you. | ||
| It is kind of crazy, though, that sex is how you make people. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And everybody just wants to fuck all the time. | ||
| And you want to fuck a bunch of people. | ||
| But a lot of people don't want kids. | ||
| No, hell no. | ||
| You know who opened my eyes like in a big way in a podcast recently that's really been making me think a lot about this is Brett Weinstein. | ||
| He's the professor that got in that. | ||
| Do you know who he is? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The controversy with Evergreen University. | ||
| The pronouns and all that. | ||
| They were taking the day of absence. | ||
| It wasn't a pronoun thing. | ||
| It was the day of absence. | ||
| They wanted all the white people to stay home. | ||
| He's like, that's racist. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, he was on, he said there's two different things that men are attracted to. | ||
| They're attracted to a woman that they think would be a great companion and a great mother and, like, someone who... | ||
| He said there's a difference between hot and beautiful. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Like, some women are beautiful and, like, they're loving. | ||
| You want to be around them. | ||
| But then there's other women who are just hot. | ||
| And in males, that very receptive woman who doesn't require any commitment was an opportunity for men to spread their seed with someone who they didn't have to be around for. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, so there's literally like a programming in a man's mind. | ||
| So you see a girl with big giant tits and a little waist and a fat ass hanging out of her shorts and she's got sloppy makeup on and she looks at you and you're like, okay, let's do this. | ||
| But that's what that is. | ||
| You don't want to live with her. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're not saying, I would like to start a relationship with you. | ||
| It's like, no, I want to shoot my load into you and then you raise my kid when I'm nowhere near you because it's an opportunity for my DNA to propagate. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That makes so much sense. | ||
| Makes so much sense. | ||
| I literally never considered it until he brought it up on the podcast. | ||
| I went, oh, duh. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| I just thought, she's hot, whatever. | ||
| Yeah, she's just hot. | ||
| Dirty, in a dirty way. | ||
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Why is she so hot? | |
| I'm attracted to that. | ||
| Yeah, why is she so dirty? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I told my girl, Joe, I told my girl, Joe, probably... | ||
| Four weeks into it, five weeks where we're getting serious, and she got this job offer to go to Miami, and she was talking about career and stuff like that. | ||
| And I went, no, that's all cool, and no one's career first more than me. | ||
| However, you know you're put on the search to be a mom, right? | ||
| Like, you're going to be such a beast of a mom. | ||
| I guarantee you, because I saw her interact with Callen's kids. | ||
| I can guarantee you, you might be the greatest host in the world, but you're going to be the best mom I've ever seen. | ||
| And then she's like, really? | ||
| I'm like, I guarantee you. | ||
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Fucking... | |
| Bam. | ||
| Bam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's just those qualities. | ||
| They can see it's something. | ||
| And when someone's not, when someone's a bad mom, it's such a depressing thing. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Nothing worse. | ||
| It's so depressing to be around. | ||
| A woman's really short with her kids and shitty with them. | ||
| Or even as a kid, if I had friends who talked back to their parents or were mean to their parents, like... | ||
| Ugh, God, what's wrong with you? | ||
| If I was dating a girl, she'd badmouth her mom. | ||
| What's wrong with you, girl? | ||
| You know, and the hard thing is that pattern. | ||
| It's hard to break. | ||
| It's hard to break. | ||
| Those kids may very well have that same kind of behavior towards their kids. | ||
| Like when they become adults, it's a hard pattern to break. | ||
| Sometimes you need the right person in your life. | ||
| Like a good person in your life that you, you know, a wife or husband or whoever it is, you know, when you match up with that person, like it changes who you are too. | ||
| That's what I always say that one of the most important things about community, like your community of friends, is that when you have good friends, those people change you. | ||
| You react like everyone is your tribe. | ||
| You react like everyone's your friends. | ||
| So you want good for them. | ||
| You love them. | ||
| You care about them. | ||
| They change who you are. | ||
| They inspire you, whether they inspire you with being smart or with their kindness or with their ambition, whatever it is. | ||
| We're not individuals. | ||
| We're a piece of a community, always. | ||
| And that community, even if it's a small community that you call a family, that piece is... | ||
| Dependent upon who you do that piece with. | ||
| You might be an amazing dad with the right woman, but with the wrong woman, you might be so frustrated with the relationship that you're not as good a dad as you are right now. | ||
| There might be chaos going on all the time. | ||
| There might be situations you put the kid in where you're yelling and screaming at each other that the kid shouldn't see. | ||
| All these different factors that are dependent upon your relationship with this other person. | ||
| And they change you, and you change them. | ||
| Like, you might be the wrong person for them. | ||
| They might be super cool and calm with someone else, but with you... | ||
| It's just not a mix. | ||
| You hit buttons for a reason. | ||
| It's like a woman saying to you, you know, you don't want an equal. | ||
| Like, well, I don't want this. | ||
| I know I don't want this. | ||
| You might be right, but I know for sure I don't want this. | ||
| Oh, you're threatened. | ||
| You're threatened by a strong woman. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm threatened by you. | ||
| You're aggressive for no reason. | ||
| Who the fuck has ever said that? | ||
| You're threatened by a strong man. | ||
| You're threatened by a strong man? | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Shut up, pussy. | ||
| What are you calling yourself a strong man? | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Any guy who calls himself a strong man most likely is a bitch. | ||
| Most likely is just trying to prop himself up. | ||
| And I feel the same way about women who say that shit. | ||
| Women who are like, you know, you're scared of a strong woman. | ||
| Like, okay, am I really? | ||
| Or are you a cunt? | ||
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Are you a cunt? | |
| Just a raging cunt. | ||
| Is this cunt talk? | ||
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This sounds super uncomfortable. | |
| I don't know what got us to this position, but whatever I did, please, I'll apologize. | ||
| But I also feel like in this community of friends that we're talking about, if you were a shit father, it would show elsewhere in your life, like around us, or if we're at the comedy store, or a restaurant, or in your social media. | ||
| It's going to come out one way or another, you know? | ||
| And it'd be tough to be in that group. | ||
| You know that expression, how you do one thing is how you do everything? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think there's something to that. | ||
| I mean, obviously, there's people that are really good at one thing and suck at other things, so it's not a... | ||
| It's not always 100% correct, but, you know, if you're a shitty dad, you're going to be a shitty friend. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I agree. | ||
| And if you're a shitty friend, you're probably going to be a shitty dad. | ||
| And I say this, too, with, like, with dudes who are shitty dads, it's like, all right, if you're willing to do that to your—literally, you're connected to this person chemically. | ||
| They're made of your DNA. If you're willing to treat him like that, when the going gets rough for me, where the fuck are you going to be? | ||
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Right. | |
| There's no way I want you in my foxhole. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's big, man. | ||
| People that don't understand that, they don't understand what they're doing wrong, that's rough, too. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| The people that can't see it, and you try to explain it to them, and they can't see it. | ||
| The one thing people won't put up with, though, is, and I would never do this, but if you give someone parenting advice, it just doesn't. | ||
| There's certain things you can't talk about, usually. | ||
| Politics, religion, and parenting. | ||
| The only way I think parenting advice works, ever, is if you talk about I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| People get super offensive. | ||
| An object. | ||
| I don't fucking treat my son like... | ||
| It's on. | ||
| Game over. | ||
| He's not even listening to what you said. | ||
| No, you're all ramped up. | ||
| Dude, I had a... | ||
| My son was one and a half at the time, and I was taking him to this play area, and he didn't express himself, and everyone was older, and he'd hit kids. | ||
| And he's a big kid. | ||
| He's a 99 percentile, first size, and all that stuff. | ||
| And he would hit kids. | ||
| And the... | ||
| The place where I was taking them in Brentwood knew I was a former fighter. | ||
| One of the guys who works front desk is a fan. | ||
| I've talked MMA with them. | ||
| And they took me to the side and said, you know, we got a bit of a problem because Tiger is hitting kids and we think it's in direct correlation of you letting him watch fights. | ||
| And from what you did, I just started laughing. | ||
| You guys are silly as fuck. | ||
| A, I'm never bringing them back. | ||
| B, he's one and a half. | ||
| Everyone else in there is three. | ||
| I mean, yeah, he cold-cocked that kid with a left hook. | ||
| And I'm proud of him. | ||
| I'm proud of him. | ||
| That kid took his toy. | ||
| However, it's just, this is what kids do. | ||
| They hit, man. | ||
| It's nothing. | ||
| And I tell him, no, I stay on top of my helicopter. | ||
| The parent, the fuck, get him when he's in there. | ||
| But he's one and a half. | ||
| The rest of the kids are older. | ||
| And trust me, he's not watching UFC. It has nothing to do with it. | ||
| Took me to the side. | ||
| This lady was like that U of FC-er, whatever you're getting into. | ||
| I was like, oh my god. | ||
| This is some Brentwood shit, lady. | ||
| There's a lot of that Brentwood shit. | ||
| This is some Brentwood shit right now. | ||
| All right? | ||
| Y'all let me eat dirt. | ||
| If they hit each other, they hit each other. | ||
| We're concerned that you're constantly reaffirming his gender without him choosing. | ||
|
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Oh, dude. | |
| We're concerned. | ||
|
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Hmm. | |
| I was reading something about some lady who had a three-year-old trans kid. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| Are you positive? | ||
| It's not just a kid? | ||
| You're three. | ||
| Oh, you mean how he's into cars this week and next week he's going to be in trolls and he wants to chop his dick off? | ||
| Well, they were like... | ||
| This article was really super positive about it. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| How they're bringing the kid to therapy and shit. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Aiding his transition. | ||
| Like, he's fucking three. | ||
| I just read this like two days ago. | ||
| I was like, this is so nuts. | ||
| There's so much of this going on right now. | ||
| Yeah, and I want to be a transformer when I was three. | ||
| You don't see my dad putting fucking mechanical arms on me. | ||
| Imagine if I was three and he put arms on me and I'm 19. Like, what the fuck, dad? | ||
| Why am I a robot now? | ||
| Well, when you were three, you told us you wanted to be a robot. | ||
| It's the same shit. | ||
| It is the same shit. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| It's so weird that people are just openly jumping into this and it's these weirdo, super, you know, ideological progressive people that just they're locked into this idea that it's amazing to have a trans kid. | ||
| And, you know, the kid shows any sign whatsoever of being inclining to be female or inclined to be male that they're pushing it. | ||
| I feel like it's exceptionally bad out here. | ||
| Well, it's also very dangerous because they start wanting to fuck with the kid's hormones. | ||
| Like, you've got to let the child develop. | ||
| There's no real science in what the fuck happens when you put hormone blockers into a three-year-old and try to transition them into a girl. | ||
| But also, the real doctors who know what the hell they're doing, they're not going to inject that kid with hormones. | ||
| They're going to say, listen, if you want to do this, when you're 18, 19, even then it's a little too early. | ||
| Even then it's too early. | ||
| When you're 21, which again is too early, and I've seen this on some of the bullshit reality TV shows I watch, but these legit doctors go, then I'm willing to help you out. | ||
| But before then- Get out of here. | ||
| No, get out. | ||
| Let's see where you're at when you're 16. But there's a market for it, which is a cruel thing to say and a weird way to describe it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Here's the problem, Joan. | ||
| We're talking about, you know, on the spectrum. | ||
| For some of those kids, they do feel like they're trapped in a woman's body, you know? | ||
| And I feel for them. | ||
| That must suck to go through high school and all that. | ||
| But isn't that the exception? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Is that kid the exception that feels like that? | ||
| And they should have access to it? | ||
| How could you do that with a three-year-old? | ||
| I know. | ||
| I mean, how do you know? | ||
| I mean, you just don't. | ||
| And anybody says that you do, you're crazy. | ||
| People change. | ||
| You change when hormones get entered into your body, and maybe you won't be the most masculine man in the world, and maybe you will turn into a woman someday. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But give yourself a goddamn chance to just exist. | ||
| Did you see the high school wrestler? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The girl? | ||
| Just beating up, right? | ||
| And then she wins and gets boozed like a motherfucker. | ||
| She does. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| She should be allowed to wrestle boys. | ||
| Or he should be allowed to wrestle boys. | ||
| You know, but, you know, whatever, man. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| You're taking a high school girl and you're filling her up with testosterone. | ||
| With injections. | ||
| What? | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| And then you're allowing her to wrestle girls that aren't on testosterone. | ||
| It's fucking cheating, okay? | ||
| If she was just a girl, and she wasn't, like, trying to transition into a man, and they found out that she was winning the state championship as a woman, or as a girl, rather, by taking steroids, they would take it away from her. | ||
| They would say, she's cheating. | ||
| There'd be an uproar. | ||
| This is some stupid shit. | ||
| But then what do you do? | ||
| Not let her wrestle? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Not let her wrestle. | ||
| Don't let her wrestle at all. | ||
| What happens if they go, we can't wrestle with the boys, and then just can't wrestle at all? | ||
| Either wrestle the boys, or don't wrestle. | ||
| That's what he wants. | ||
| He wants to wrestle the boys? | ||
| Pronoun, son. | ||
| It's he. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Yeah, I think, hey, if you're going to choose to go that path of this transition into a female, then you give up your right to wrestle. | ||
| Because we don't have a division for that yet, and we don't have enough wrestlers. | ||
| Yeah, she's transitioning to he. | ||
| And it's just, it's not fair. | ||
| If it was the other way, it would be more fair. | ||
| Because, like, if you're a man, and you're transitioning to be a woman, and they make you wrestle men, well, you're going to be at a disadvantage because you're taking hormone blockers, or you're getting castrated, you're losing your testicles, whatever it is, you are at a disadvantage. | ||
| You can't get that ass piece. | ||
| Yeah, he's at a disadvantage now, transitioning to, I mean, he's at a massive advantage right now, transitioning to a man. | ||
| He's on steroids. | ||
| The kid's on steroids. | ||
| Testosterone. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And probably a lot of them. | ||
| Probably a lot of it, because they're trying to turn him into a man. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| It's all nuts, man. | ||
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I know. | |
| Like, where was this 30 years ago? | ||
| Was it just like a silent epidemic? | ||
| Was everyone just undercover and like, God, I feel like a woman, you know? | ||
| There was a few of those. | ||
| There was like that one guy, Renee Richards, the tennis player, that wound up... | ||
| He was a terrible male tennis player. | ||
| Transitioned to a female tennis player and started dominating. | ||
| Oh, that's Juana Man. | ||
| That's the plot of Juana Man, Tennis Edition. | ||
| Remember that movie? | ||
| No, what was Juana Man? | ||
| Juana Man was a guy who couldn't... | ||
| He got suspended from the Lakers, the fake Lakers in the movie. | ||
| So he's like, God, I want to play basketball. | ||
| So you could make the women's team and just wore a wig and put titties on and started dunking on bitches. | ||
| Well, that does happen today. | ||
| There was a guy who was ready for this, 50 years old, he was six foot four or five, played women's college basketball because he played as a man, but now he's not a man anymore. | ||
| Now this fool is a fucking woman. | ||
| He's a fool. | ||
| If you're a fool, and you're 50 years old, and you're pretending to be a college girl, and you're like, I'm in a fantasy world, this is my fantasy, and she's a giant, and she's swatting basketballs out of people's hands. | ||
| There's Joanna, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See if you can find the guy who played, who's 50, type in 50-year-old transsexual man, transsexual plays women's college basketball. | ||
| In America. | ||
| Yeah, in America. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Imagine if your kid is on a team with that person, and that person takes your kid's scholarship, takes your kid's role. | ||
| Look at that, right there. | ||
| 50-year-old. | ||
| Yeah, seriously. | ||
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Giant, jacked, 50-year-old man. | |
| And got a nose on him. | ||
| And became a college basketball player at fucking my age. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| 52, excuse me. | ||
| Gabriel Ludwig. | ||
| 52. Okay. | ||
| Two years older than me, goes to college. | ||
| Can she ball? | ||
| I think she played as a man. | ||
| Look at the size difference! | ||
| Now imagine your kid is competing against her. | ||
| And can't get a shot off. | ||
| Can't get a shot off. | ||
| And she's just Shaquille O'Neal and your daughter. | ||
| And it's just bullshit. | ||
| It's like if Shaquille O'Neal was playing on that other team, if Shaquille O'Neal transitioned to be a woman and decided to go back to college, this college would let her play as a woman. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Shaquille O'Neal as a woman. | ||
| What college is that? | ||
| Douchebag University. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't want to give him any press. | ||
| Press? | ||
| It just makes me sick. | ||
| I mean, that's a giant man. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| With tits. | ||
| It's straight nonsense. | ||
| It's straight nonsense. | ||
| This is where progressiveness goes down the rabbit hole. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Mission College? | ||
| That's probably a juco, huh? | ||
| I don't know what it is, but it could suck it. | ||
| It can suck a non-existent dick. | ||
| Well, here's the interesting thing. | ||
| She played college basketball 30 years ago as a man. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| How does she still have eligibility? | ||
| Because she's a woman now. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| She can go back as a woman. | ||
| They let her transition. | ||
| And when you're transitioning, you go back. | ||
| Now you're a woman. | ||
| You don't have a history of playing as a woman. | ||
| So now you're allowed to play again. | ||
| Five more years of college eligibility? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Dude, I feel like a lot more guys are going to do this. | ||
| There's a few that would do it. | ||
| Oh, 100%. | ||
| You know, Dana White was joking around about that. | ||
| Like, I know a few guys, if it could be a world champion, they'd cut their dick off. | ||
| There's a few guys. | ||
| Yeah, there's some guys who, by all means, necessary. | ||
| It's crazy to even suggest. | ||
| But so is walking into YouTube, shooting a bunch of people, and then shooting yourself in the chest. | ||
| That's crazy to suggest, too. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| People are out of their fucking mind. | ||
| That bitch was definitely out of her mind. | ||
| And also, if you saw a YouTube video, no wonder you made no fucking money, lady. | ||
| Those videos were terrible. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| Well, there's something wrong with that lady's brain. | ||
| How about her dad goes, warned the police, like, hey, you guys need to check her out. | ||
| She's going to do something bad to YouTube. | ||
| There's some issues here. | ||
| But if you're a cop, and they did find her the night before at 2 a.m. | ||
| because she went missing, they found her, and they're like, yeah, she doesn't seem like she's going to hurt herself or anyone else. | ||
| I don't know what you want us to do. | ||
| Like, we found her. | ||
| She said she's good. | ||
| She's sleeping in her car. | ||
| Until someone does something, it's so hard to do anything about it. | ||
| Like, they... | ||
| They sent that one college kid. | ||
| They're sending him back. | ||
| They found his roommates. | ||
| We were talking about it yesterday. | ||
| His roommates were talking about him. | ||
| They were seriously worried about him. | ||
| He had bleached his hair blonde, started stockpiling ammunition, bought an assault gun. | ||
| And then the cops came to visit him. | ||
| And after the cops left, he went out and bought another AR. And they're like, okay, okay, that's it. | ||
| We gotta do something about this. | ||
| His roommates were freaking out. | ||
| People were freaking out being around the guy. | ||
| And they sent him back on a technicality because he wasn't going to school. | ||
| Because he stopped going to class. | ||
| So what can you do? | ||
| Student visa. | ||
| What the fuck can you do? | ||
| They deported him. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, perfect. | ||
| Yeah, and they said, we think we prevented a tragedy. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's exactly what they should do. | ||
| But however, with this lady, let's say they stopped at two in the morning, she's in a car, and the dad, the dad, who, you know, she came from his seed, goes, listen, she's going to do something bad. | ||
| We've seen signs. | ||
| We've known her since she was a day old. | ||
| You guys should do something about it. | ||
| I don't think you should go, ow, we talked to her. | ||
| Seems all right. | ||
| Maybe take her in for the night. | ||
| What can you do, though? | ||
| She doesn't do anything. | ||
| But if she doesn't do anything, and then she does. | ||
| People are so unpredictable. | ||
| I would look at those eyebrows and toss her in jail. | ||
| That video of her doing those squats and the jumps, the workout video. | ||
| Terrible workout. | ||
| Look at those eyes. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| She's not there. | ||
| She's from a different planet. | ||
| She's like a horror movie. | ||
| But then she's mad. | ||
| She's not getting freaking revenue from YouTube. | ||
| And YouTube's like, your videos suck, lady. | ||
| We have nothing to do with it. | ||
| You're crazy. | ||
| You didn't come up in the open mic circuit, so you don't have a PhD in psychos. | ||
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No. | |
| Like Tony Hinchcliffe or all these dudes that have been in the grind. | ||
| I did open mics a long time ago, but they're fucking crazy people. | ||
| There's a certain amount of open micers who think that they're really funny, and they can't get work, and they're angry about it, and they're really fucking crazy people. | ||
| I get on Kill Tony when I've been on it like two or three times. | ||
| Oh yeah, that's a perfect example. | ||
| Kill Tony's a perfect example. | ||
| You go there and you're like, what in the fuck am I watching? | ||
| And if someone tries to tell that person, like, maybe you should connect more with the crowd. | ||
| Ah, connect! | ||
| I'm connecting with people. | ||
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They get mad. | |
| I'm connecting. | ||
| This is my best bits. | ||
| These bits are good bits. | ||
| And the people are like, what in the fuck? | ||
| Tony Tawonga is like, dude, you're bombing. | ||
| He goes, they were laughing. | ||
| They're laughing. | ||
| They're laughing at you. | ||
| And Tony goes, they're laughing because you're fucking terrible. | ||
| And we're making faces behind you. | ||
| He goes, that's laughing. | ||
| You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. | ||
| Tony's like, get off the stage. | ||
| He's like, make me. | ||
| It's like, oh my God, dude. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you see that too on American Idol. | ||
| There'd be some crazy dude like, my mom thinks I'm the best, you know, the best since Lionel Richie. | ||
| And they get up and they just completely bomb. | ||
| And then they talk shit to the experts. | ||
| You guys just don't know what you want. | ||
| Well, you have to look at people as a whole, right? | ||
| Now, if you look at people as a whole, like physically, right? | ||
| There's people that are built like you, and there's people that are built like Vern Troyer. | ||
| That's just a fact. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| But then there's also brilliant minds. | ||
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Right. | |
| But my point is, it's come on seven. | ||
| It's a roll of the dice. | ||
| That's the same thing with everything. | ||
| It's the same thing with your mind as well. | ||
| It just is. | ||
| The mind varies widely. | ||
| It varies racially. | ||
| It varies interracially. | ||
| It varies age-wise. | ||
| Like, you're going to have a 50-year-old black guy that's the smartest guy you ever met in your life, and you're going to have a 50-year-old white guy who is a fucking moron... | ||
| And you're going to have a 50-year-old woman who's out of her fucking mind, and you're going to have a 50-year-old woman who's a brilliant physicist, and you're going to have everything. | ||
| You're going to have every combination. | ||
| Every combination of smart and stupid and tall and thin. | ||
| People vary, but they also vary with how crazy they are. | ||
| But also, I think some people are crazy, and then they find a passion, they run with it, maybe it's music, comedy, but then some of those crazy people who are different than the others in high school get made fun of, get bullied, and then that craziness turns into darkness, Then they get a hold of AK-47. | ||
| Then that's when you get the mass shootings. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because there's experiences with those crazy people. | ||
| And maybe they turn the right direction and they do something great. | ||
| Write great songs, come up with a great bit or come up with a great TV show. | ||
| Or that person gets bullied so bad, the direction they go is dark as fuck. | ||
| And that crazy mind does crazy stuff. | ||
| Yeah, so 100%. | ||
| Physical abuse, sexual abuse, along with that... | ||
| Medications? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Medications can do it. | ||
| And every single mass shooter's on medications. | ||
| But when you look at the combination of all the different factors, it's like, when you see that lady crying in her car at 2 o'clock in the morning, you're a cop, you don't know what to do. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| You think she's going to... | ||
| Like, I knew when I looked at her that she was going to go on YouTube and shoot that place up. | ||
| No, there's no way you know. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| The Nicholas Cruz kid, same thing. | ||
| They came to see him two years before, and they decided he wasn't a threat. | ||
| And the people are like, the FBI is incompetent. | ||
| No, 24 months later, first of all, he probably got fucking crazier, right? | ||
| In 24 months. | ||
| His mom wound up dying like six months before that, so that probably fucked him up, too. | ||
| There's probably a whole host of factors. | ||
| Chain events. | ||
| Right, but he never did it before. | ||
| How the fuck can you predict? | ||
| These random shooters, I don't know what you're going to do. | ||
| The only thing with the YouTube thing is if the dad goes, listen, my daughter is going to do something crazy, and they find her near the YouTube Northern California offices, we should at least take her in for the night, talk to her, and that's the least... | ||
| You're not going to lose anything. | ||
| Taxpayers would be happy to pay for a night in there. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if that would do it, though. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| That lady just seemed fucking nuts, man. | ||
| Someone posted it and said, be ready to never sleep again. | ||
| I mean, that video didn't scare me that much. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, she's batshit crazy. | ||
| Yeah, like super duper batshit crazy. | ||
| She thought YouTube was out for her because her views were lowering. | ||
| One video I thought she had 45 views. | ||
| It's like, come on, man. | ||
| That is fucking bananas, man. | ||
| I'm sure they pull her YouTube page by now, Jamie? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if you're going to go out, right? | ||
| Most people do it to the head. | ||
| She shot herself in the chest. | ||
| That's dark. | ||
| Savage. | ||
| That's dark. | ||
| That's a dark way to go. | ||
| The people that have done that, I guess, people that knew their brain was going to get licked up. | ||
| Junior Seau did that. | ||
| He shot himself in the chest because he goes, I want you to study my brain because it's not good. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| I can't feel good. | ||
| No. | ||
| I feel like the brain would be way faster. | ||
| Damn, we went dark. | ||
| We've got to bring it back. | ||
| We've gotten dark this podcast. | ||
| We've got to bring it back. | ||
| Let's bring it home. | ||
| Let's bring it home on a positive thing. | ||
| Thug Rose! | ||
| Thug Rose! | ||
| That's the fight no one's talking about. | ||
| Yoana Rose. | ||
| Hey, Jamie, tell homeboys you've got to watch the monitor. | ||
| Yeah, Thug Rose. | ||
| No one's talking about it. | ||
| It's being overshadowed. | ||
| Yeah, it is being overshadowed. | ||
| It's a crazy one, right? | ||
| It's because nobody expected it to go down the way it did in the first one. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| In the rematch, Ioana's on weight. | ||
| She's way lighter. | ||
| She was 122 last week. | ||
| So she's just a few pounds away. | ||
| Here's my problem with this fight. | ||
| I might stop making picks. | ||
| I said on the podcast yesterday, it doesn't make me feel good when I pick against people. | ||
| It doesn't make me feel good. | ||
| I feel like I have to do it. | ||
| A lot of people don't do picks and they come to me for picks. | ||
| What do you think is going to happen? | ||
| For a long time, I thought, ooh, Rose, she's a monster, and I know Rose right from Denver. | ||
| She landed that left hook, and Trevor teaches that, and Pat Berry teaches that, and that's exactly what they wanted to do. | ||
| Amazing fight. | ||
| I bet they fight three or four times. | ||
| But if they do a rematch, which they should give Ioana the immediate rematch, Rose will be in a little bit of trouble, because Ioana is a fucking machine. | ||
| Here's the caveat to that. | ||
| When I see Joanna do interviews and she goes, it was my nutritionist, it was this person, it was this, it was this. | ||
| Never once has she owned it and taken credibility. | ||
| I go, that's not the way a world champion speaks. | ||
| That's not the way at all someone talks. | ||
| And when I see a bunch of excuses, I go, oh shit, you have a hole in your boat, and you're masking it with duct tape, and you're trying to get back to this point. | ||
| You're not actually patching that up. | ||
| And so you're susceptible again, and now you're talking like that never happened, it was a fluke. | ||
| Rose is pretty fucking good. | ||
| And if you don't respect her again, and you think it's your nutritionist, is why you lost that fight, you're probably gonna lose again. | ||
| You might be right. | ||
| You might be right. | ||
| That's the only thing that bothers me. | ||
| I think Ioana's one of the greatest champions of all time, one of the greatest fighters. | ||
| But when I see that, I'm like, oh, you're going about it the wrong way. | ||
| And she goes, you know, I even talked to Ronda. | ||
| She said she had a weight cut. | ||
| I'm like, no one's dealt with losses worse than Ronda. | ||
| You don't want to reference that at all. | ||
| I don't want to see that out of Ioana. | ||
| She has so much more work to do. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's also... | ||
| Ioana had a long career in Muay Thai. | ||
| A long career, you know, like a lot of fights. | ||
| Oh, yeah, tons. | ||
| A lot of kickboxing, sparring, a lot of MMA sparring. | ||
| Sometimes your chin just goes. | ||
| I mean, there's a real possibility. | ||
| Sometimes your chin just goes. | ||
| You think it's a chin thing? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| See, I think it's too early to call for that, especially at that weight class. | ||
| I think for her, it was more she just wasn't being respectful of Rose. | ||
| I thought she was going to walk through all the shit-talking she was doing. | ||
| And Rose is a different animal. | ||
| She reminds me of Brian Ortega a little bit, where she's very dangerous on conventional and there's certain spots you can't train for. | ||
| She's that type of animal, similar to Brian Ortega. | ||
| But with Ioana, gun to my head, I'd say Ioana wins by decision. | ||
| But again, I hate... | ||
| Making picks makes me feel bad lately. | ||
| Yeah, making picks is tough, man, because you're going to piss people off, and they're like, oh, we're fucking rooting against me. | ||
| No, you have to look at the analysis of it. | ||
| Before the fight, I thought Rose was in trouble. | ||
| I'm like, Ioana's very hard to take down. | ||
| Her stand-up is world-class, and I think she could very well pick Rose apart and crack her as she's coming in. | ||
| But when she hit her with that left hook, she hit her before that and hurt her. | ||
| But when she hit her with that left hook, I was like, Jesus. | ||
| Explosive, too. | ||
| She looks good, man. | ||
| And Rose, like, on the embedded, Rose was, Pat Barry takes a giant box of tennis balls and throws tennis balls at her. | ||
| And she's popping tennis balls in the air, and she looks fucking solid. | ||
| And Rose, too, her ceiling, we're just seeing it. | ||
| She has so much room for growth. | ||
| She's so young, and she has Pat, and she has Trevor around her. | ||
| And now, forever, people are like, you're going to be world champion. | ||
| And everyone tells, coaches tell fighters all the time. | ||
| But when it actually happens, you go, oh shit! | ||
| They're not bullshitting. | ||
| They're not just saying this. | ||
| And I think when she actually believes it, now you're dealing with different Thug Rose. | ||
| You're dealing with different Ioana. | ||
| Ioana doesn't think she's the greatest gift to the MMA world. | ||
| So that combination is such a fascinating fight. | ||
| And no one's talking about it. | ||
| Yeah, well, everybody was so caught up in this cancellation. | ||
| And the Ferguson-Khabib fight was so huge. | ||
| For the hardcores, for sure. | ||
| But it's also one of those things where with Rose coming into this fight now and Ioana making excuses for the last fight, I'm really interested to see what happens when they square off. | ||
| I can't wait for that fight. | ||
| Is Ioana going to do the same talking again and Rose reciting the Bible? | ||
| I don't think she can. | ||
| I don't think Ioana can do the same talking. | ||
| You don't think she goes, this was a fluke, I'm doing the exact same thing. | ||
| No, I think Rose is going to stare right through her fucking soul again. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Be like, I'm the champ, bitch. | ||
| When you talk a gang of shit at someone, and they just stare right through you, and then they murk you in the first round, it's very tough to talk that shit the second time. | ||
| It's going to be interesting. | ||
| I think that's a sign, if Joanna isn't respecting Rose again, if she gets up there and starts talking that shit, I would put a ton of money on Rose. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I see her doing the same things, I'm like, oh shit, you learned nothing, girl. | ||
| You learned nothing. | ||
| Well, it's whether or not Rose can clip her again. | ||
| If Rose charges in and clips her again. | ||
| It's also the thing about a striker always worried about being taken down is more likely to get hit with a shot. | ||
| Like Kevin Randall when he knocked out Mirko Krokok. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| Like Kevin was the threat as a wrestler, leaps in with a left hook and catches him right on the chin, knocks him the fuck out. | ||
| I think there's a real correlation there. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if Ioana's so focused on improving her stand-up and, you know, it's like, alright, I got caught this time. | ||
| I'm just going to overwhelm her. | ||
| Stand-up, she gets submitted. | ||
| She overlooked the submission game of Rose, which is actually Rose's best weapon. | ||
| That's what I was thinking. | ||
| I was thinking, bro, we might see Rose throw a flying armbar. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| We might see Rose do some wild shit. | ||
| She doesn't care about being on her back. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| And she's fast. | ||
| She goes for shit. | ||
| She's a wild, explosive person. | ||
| And she's a really interesting thinker, too. | ||
| She had a tough life, man. | ||
| Tough life growing up. | ||
| And developed this very strong mind. | ||
| Controlled chaos is what I call it. | ||
| And she's brilliant at it. | ||
| I think what else is fascinating about this, not that fight, I'm almost more excited for that fight than anything now, but what's fascinating to me is everyone talks about Conor McGregor, right? | ||
| Especially when you're talking about 155. And with Conor and Max Holloway, Conor's never looked back and went, ah, I'll fight that guy back even though I'm better. | ||
| The thing that gets Conor out of bed, I think, is the challenge and making history. | ||
| I think if Khabib or Max were to win, that would be a new challenge and he would be an underdog against Khabib. | ||
| And when Max Holloway, they have to have a history at 55. Especially if Khabib were to win, I think we see Conor take that fight now. | ||
| Because he goes, that's pound for pound great. | ||
| Well, I'm the best at moving backwards hitting dudes. | ||
| I bet you I can beat that guy. | ||
| And we see him, I think we see him take that fight. | ||
| I've never said that before. | ||
| I know Dana said, oh, they're going to fight in Russia. | ||
| I'm like, God, why would Conor fight him? | ||
| When you think of all the challenges in Conor's career and what gets him going, it's not people behind him. | ||
| It's always when people go, that guy's the best. | ||
| He goes, cool, give me that guy. | ||
| Very similar to Max Holloway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If Max wins, for sure they have a rematch. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| The thing about Khabib is, you've always got to wonder who's avoiding him. | ||
| There's a difference there. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| See, the difference is, Max is one of the best fighters on the planet, no doubt. | ||
| He's one of my top. | ||
| One of my top guys. | ||
| Maybe even ever. | ||
| Top featherweight of all time. | ||
| But people aren't avoiding him. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like I said, Khabib's a different animal. | ||
| He's a terrifying guy. | ||
| I referenced this. | ||
| I said, if you gave me a choice to make the walk against Francis or Khabib, I'm picking Francis because it's a quick death. | ||
| He's going to knock my head into the third row, but it's quick. | ||
| Khabib, it's like an ISIS video. | ||
| Long drawn out. | ||
| It's going to be a fucking nightmare that you're not going to forget. | ||
| Yeah, he's going to beat your body into a pulp. | ||
| But the worst is he breaks you where it's like, oh, you were good at this and people thought you were mentally strong? | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Now your entire family and friends are going to see how much of a pussy you are as they bash your brains in round after round after round after round. | ||
| You see him break guys too, though. | ||
| You see something happens to them. | ||
| They give in to the inevitability of getting ragdolled. | ||
| Oh, he's just better. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, the only person that's going to beat him, it's not a person, it's a fucking grizzly bear. | ||
| You know, it's like, fuck this, man. | ||
| And you can see it in their eyes, where it just changes, where it's just like, nope, not happening. | ||
| How many rounds? | ||
| Four more rounds of this? | ||
| This is terrible. | ||
| If he wins and he beats Holloway, I guarantee you he's calling out McGregor. | ||
| He wants the GSP fight. | ||
| Khabib wants GSP? Holy shit. | ||
| That's what I hear. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| That's the super fight for him. | ||
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At 170? | |
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| What a great fight, right? | ||
| It's a perfect time to do it right now, right? | ||
| GSP wins by rear naked choke against Bisping at 185. Says he doesn't want to fight at 85 again. | ||
| Here, take your belt. | ||
| Suck it. | ||
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Suck it. | |
| GSP, it just goes, suck it. | ||
| Take your belt. | ||
| Take your belt. | ||
| Yeah, I know I told you I'd fight there. | ||
| Suck it. | ||
| Do whatever you want to do with that belt. | ||
| I'm just going to do whatever the fuck I want. | ||
| I made a couple million bucks. | ||
| True. | ||
| I'm going to kick back for a while. | ||
| And now you get Khabib, who, oh, you fancy yourself a grappler, GSP? Me too. | ||
| Let's party. | ||
| That's a really interesting fight. | ||
| You know, if I can make a super fight, if I was like Dana, Scrooge McDuck, just sitting on top of all these gold coins, I'd call it Ben Askren. | ||
| I'm like, Yo, any interest in fighting Khabib at 170? | ||
| Fuck yes. | ||
| Fuck yes. | ||
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What's up, brother? | |
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
|
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Yes! | |
| That's the fight. | ||
| Call your boy! | ||
| I'll call my boy. | ||
| He blocked my call. | ||
| Call your boy. | ||
| Did he block your call? | ||
| I don't call him, but I'm sure... | ||
| I'm going to talk to him this weekend. | ||
| I'm going to talk to him this weekend. | ||
| That would be the fight. | ||
| The one fight to get him out. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| What if Ben Askren wins? | ||
| He starts talking shit. | ||
| Calling Dana a fat fuck. | ||
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Perfect. | |
| Perfect. | ||
| Egghead. | ||
| It works. | ||
| It sells paper. | ||
| It's the bottom line. | ||
| Yeah, but then you ruin Khabib. | ||
| If Ben Askren could beat him. | ||
| I think you give Ben Askren a guy who's a good fighter. | ||
| GSP. Well, yeah, but seeing it, most people don't know who Ben Askren is. | ||
| The problem is, he fought in Bellator for so long, and then even when Bellator's gotten bigger on Spike TV, he was off in 1FC. Which, yeah, no one saw. | ||
| We are huge Ben Askren fans, but we're hardcore. | ||
| Like, the casual fan has no idea, like, who's this guy with the curly hair they're sending to his death? | ||
| But we can sell it because he speaks well. | ||
| He's a beast on the mic. | ||
| And then you pin an Olympian who's on the feed and never been hit against Khabib. | ||
| We call it the Cold War. | ||
| I think in the UFC, particularly me, who I'm a big Ben Askren dick rider, and Jimmy Smith, who's also a big Ben Askren dick rider. | ||
| I think we're all dick riders. | ||
| We're all dick riders. | ||
| We could sell the shit out of it. | ||
| I could hype the shit out of that fight and be 100% honest in the process. | ||
| I think he's something special. | ||
| I think his grappling is very unusual, very difficult to prepare for. | ||
| And if you're going to deal with Khabib against a guy who can neutralize his stuff, and then we see, like, what if we see Khabib on his back? | ||
| Ben Askren fucking put a knee across the belly, punching Khabib in the face. | ||
| We're like, no! | ||
| What about Ben Askren on his back? | ||
| And Khabib just doing the ground and pound. | ||
| There's these crazy scrambles and the grappling community is going to be like, what the fuck? | ||
| It would be amazing. | ||
| This is terrible striking, but what the fuck? | ||
| Good luck selling that to Uncle Dana. | ||
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Uncle Dana's going to be like, fuck you! | |
| He's going to slam that phone down. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| He's like, sir, I'm trying to finalize CM Punk Floyd here. | ||
| You're talking about Ben Askren? | ||
| Khabib? | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| He would have to have a good relationship with Ben Askren. | ||
| No, he doesn't. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| No, he doesn't. | ||
| He can go, alright, I'm going to make money off this kid. | ||
| I have $450 million. | ||
| I'm going to make money off this kid. | ||
| Let me do this. | ||
| Don't you think you'd have to put Ben Askren in a UFC fight, though, against somebody to show everybody what he's capable of? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He has all those belts. | ||
| Undefeated. | ||
| Olympian. | ||
| We just... | ||
| Promo the shit. | ||
| He's on Embedded. | ||
| He's on UFC Tonight. | ||
| He's on Below the Belt. | ||
| He's on JRE. We go on this campaign. | ||
| He's dressed in a flag. | ||
| He's like, watch me beat the shit out of the pound for pound great Russian. | ||
| Who else doesn't like Russia? | ||
| We're all, yeah! | ||
| MAGA! Great! | ||
| Ooh, I like it. | ||
| It's never happening, probably, though. | ||
| It's never happening, but you sold me. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| If we could just get Dana to listen to this video. | ||
| Dana, Uncle D. If you just have him fight someone who's really good, like Neil Magny, or Carlos Condit, have him his introduction fight. | ||
| He's eating him up like fucking Kobayashi Tata. | ||
| Let's watch that introduction fight. | ||
| And who knows? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| This is a one-shot Hail Mary here. | ||
| We're selling the fuck out of it. | ||
| I'm interested. | ||
| Because then what happens if he fights and just rapes him, humps him for three rounds? | ||
| People are like, that sucked, man. | ||
| I know, but he probably won't be able to do that Khabib. | ||
| So you've got to watch that one. | ||
| We missed the boat. | ||
| Well, his style is so much more suited to 1FC because they allow those knees to the head on the ground. | ||
| True. | ||
| Soccer kicks. | ||
| Do they still allow soccer kicks in 1FC? Did they stop it after Brandon Vera almost executed a dude? | ||
| I think they still do it. | ||
| How about the Roger Huerta one? | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Roger Huerta got head kicked by that dude. | ||
| How about Roger Huerta's fight in Ben Henderson this weekend? | ||
| That's flying under the radar. | ||
| Yeah, it is flying under the radar. | ||
| Well, Huerta was the first ever MMA fighter on the cover of Sports Illustrated. | ||
| People forget. | ||
| People forgot that back in the day, was this like 2002-ish, 2003-ish? | ||
| Yeah, right before that, I forget who he beat, then he was supposed to fight Kenny Florin, if you remember. | ||
| He was on the front cover. | ||
| What year was that? | ||
| 2004? | ||
| 2005? | ||
| No. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Later than that, 2006. 2006? | ||
| 2006? | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| Oh yeah, here's the head kick. | ||
| So the dude is already beating him. | ||
| He ragdolls him. | ||
| Hort is down. | ||
| And look at this. | ||
| This is horrible. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| I mean, that was one of the worst head kicks you'll ever see. | ||
| That was horrible. | ||
| See, I don't want to see that. | ||
| I don't want that in my sport. | ||
| That's horrible. | ||
| That one's horrible. | ||
| Like, that guy was already hurt and out of it before that. | ||
| Whoa, the average casual adult soccer player can kick a ball with a thousand foot-pound force. | ||
| The average professional soccer player can kick at about 1,200 foot-pound force. | ||
| My educated guess is elite, highly trained martial artists perform very similar to the professional soccer player. | ||
| I'll tell you what. | ||
| You put somebody down on their hands and knees, and I kick them in the head like that... | ||
| It's going to be a lot more than that. | ||
| They're fucked. | ||
| Oh, you might... | ||
| Broden killed a guy. | ||
| You know, you don't want to see that. | ||
| You could kill somebody doing that. | ||
| You literally could snap their neck. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
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When was that Sports Illustrated cover though, Jamie? | |
| Do you remember Roger Huerta on the cover of Sports Illustrated? | ||
| And it says, is the UFC the next emerging sport, or is it just a fad or something like that? | ||
| I want to say 2006. Me too, I'm thinking 6-ish. | ||
| Because I think it's post... | ||
| It's post... | ||
| Tough. | ||
| Yeah, it's post-Stefan Bonner, Forrest Griffin. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| And that was 2005. Yeah, so 2006, 2007? | ||
| Maybe 2007? | ||
| But remember Roger Huerta, he got all that notoriety, and then he tried big dick in the UFC. He went, no, I want this, this, and this. | ||
| Then he went, cool, we're going to sit you, and then give you the worst matchup possible. | ||
| Here's Gray Maynard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| May 28th, 2006. Boom. | ||
| There it goes. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| 2007. I'm sorry, 2007. Ah! | ||
| Shit, sorry, my bad. | ||
| Mother. | ||
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So... | |
| We were in the neighborhood. | ||
| Yeah, we're close. | ||
| So this was, you know, Roger Huerta was like the poster board. | ||
| Handsome, Hispanic, Latino, bad motherfucker. | ||
| Remember when Roger Huerta beat that dude up that punched a chick in the face like a goddamn superhero in Austin, Texas? | ||
| He's a big football player. | ||
| Big football player, sucker punched a girl in the face in front of everybody, dropped her. | ||
| And then Roger Huerta takes his shirt off and fucks this dude up. | ||
| There's a scramble. | ||
| You see the dude squaring off. | ||
| Roger's way smaller than him. | ||
| Cut to, a few seconds later, you see Roger soccer kicking him. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| So Roger is standing back here, and this guy steps into this girl. | ||
| TMZ, son. | ||
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World star. | |
| Did you show the first beginning of it? | ||
| That's a long video. | ||
| Yeah, but the beginning of it is when he steps in and punches the girl in the face. | ||
| Oh, right there. | ||
| He drops a girl. | ||
| Go right to the beginning. | ||
| Knocks a girl out. | ||
| Right to the beginning. | ||
| It doesn't play the whole thing. | ||
| So the guy in the orange shirt, big-ass dude, drops a girl. | ||
| Female girl. | ||
| Punched her in the face. | ||
| Then look at Werta. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Good luck holding back Werta. | ||
| He's talking shit. | ||
| He's saying, that's a girl, man. | ||
| He's so much smaller. | ||
| This guy's like, fuck you. | ||
| I'll fuck you up, too. | ||
| Werther always had good fashion, too. | ||
| Just want to throw that out there. | ||
| There's another video of this where you hear more volume with them talking to each other. | ||
| This might be the only one I've ever seen. | ||
| Oh, there goes Werther takes his shirt off and he's pissed. | ||
| Guy who hit girl, Roger Werther. | ||
| Yeah, they both took their shirt off. | ||
| Okay, here we go. | ||
| That guy has some titties with a... | ||
| So Roger chases him down. | ||
| Well, Roger was fast as fuck. | ||
| That guy had no idea what he's doing. | ||
| He was an animal. | ||
| Before he knew it, that dude's getting punched in the face. | ||
| And at the end, you see Roger's got the dude in the ground soccer kicking him. | ||
| No, it's like jumping into the water and there's a crocodile in there. | ||
| Before you know it... | ||
| Look at Roger. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| He's out cold. | ||
| You know, and that's justice, isn't it? | ||
| He's basically a Mexican Batman there. | ||
| If he kept kicking him, it would have been justice. | ||
| I mean, it was justice for sure, but fuck that guy. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| Imagine sucker punching your daughter. | ||
| Big, giant, 250-pound football player. | ||
| Sucker punches your daughter in the face. | ||
| It'd be hard not to kill him. | ||
| Very hard not to kill him. | ||
| That guy's very lucky he's alive. | ||
| Very lucky he's alive. | ||
| And he probably shouldn't be. | ||
| If he doesn't feel remorse for that... | ||
| Soccer punching a girl in the face like that, it's a special kind of piece of shit. | ||
| That's a big dude, too. | ||
| It's a giant dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, who knows what the fuck is going on in his head? | ||
| But then again, who knows what the fuck is going on with a lot of football players that have suffered a lot of head trauma? | ||
| True. | ||
| Or he could just be a bad guy, though. | ||
| Could be a bad guy. | ||
| Maybe he was raised around that, thinks it's okay. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Who knows what the girl did, too. | ||
| Either way, never okay to hit a girl. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| Like that, too? | ||
| That's a horrible thing to watch. | ||
| It's a horrible thing to watch. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| That guy punching a guy like you is horrible, but punching a girl in the face? | ||
| Horrible, man. | ||
| There's a lot of fucking shitty humans out there, man. | ||
| It's a real unfortunate part about us. | ||
| We keep going dark. | ||
| It's tough not to. | ||
| When you watch something like that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But thank God Roger was there. | ||
| He did, man. | ||
| Superhero style. | ||
| I bet his friends are like, remember that time you got murked by Roger Huerta? | ||
| He's tiny, fought 155 pounds, and your giant ass is all juiced up in the goddamn weight room every day, and you still got knocked out for hitting a girl? | ||
| Remember that asshole? | ||
| Yeah, that guy never lives that down. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Even now, I'm sure people will find him on Instagram and be like, hey, Rogan Shaw, we're talking mad shit about you, man. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| You're never going to live it down. | ||
| If he never went to jail for that, that's the punishment. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| You never went to jail for that? | ||
| You're supposed to go to jail for that. | ||
| Yeah, for a long time. | ||
| That's supposed to put you in jail for a long time. | ||
| And hopefully he doesn't have kids. | ||
| It's dark. | ||
| Dark. | ||
| We went dark again. | ||
| We go dark sometimes. | ||
| What else is on this card this weekend? | ||
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You got Chiesa, Anthony Pettis. | |
| That's a fun one. | ||
| Everybody's slept on that fight. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's another one that's gone under the radar. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Chiesa, Anthony Pettis. | ||
| Very interesting, man. | ||
| Chiesa, man. | ||
| He fucking submitted Benil Dariush. | ||
| He gets your back. | ||
| You're fucksville, son. | ||
| But remember, he got submitted by Kevin Lee. | ||
| He did, but he didn't. | ||
| He didn't. | ||
| He didn't get submitted. | ||
| The referee stopped it. | ||
| I know, but you were saying he was good. | ||
| Look, he was tightening up his neck. | ||
| Yeah, because we've seen that. | ||
| You've got to let the guy go out. | ||
| Oh, come on, brother. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Paul Felder, Al Iaquinta. | ||
| That kicks it off. | ||
| Dude, Cater. | ||
| Did you see? | ||
| You remember Cater fighting in Boston? | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| Calvin Cater and Moicano. | ||
| That's a good fight, too. | ||
| Dude, look at the undercard. | ||
| You've got Borg. | ||
| You've got Joe Lozon. | ||
| Go up there, up around our quarter. | ||
| Calvin Cater and Renato Moicano. | ||
| Great fight. | ||
| That's a great fight. | ||
| That's fight of the night written all over it. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| All over it. | ||
| God, there's fucking five excellent fights in that main guard. | ||
| Look at your boy Felice Herring. | ||
| Or look at your girl Felice Herring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Versus Carolina. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Carolina Kivalkovich. | ||
| And then I'm not even mad at the Fight Pass fight. | ||
| The main one, your boy Bruce Leary versus Lobov. | ||
| Did you hear about Artem Lobov, who's obviously Team Conor and then Team Khabib saw each other and they got into it? | ||
| Did they? | ||
| Yeah, Team Conor and then Team Khabib got really into it. | ||
| Because Khabib obviously asked for Conor when Tony fell out and Dana was like, come on, let's get real. | ||
| Yeah, you can't put that in. | ||
| You have a better shot of fighting Ben Asterix. | ||
| I read there's a video supposedly of Lobov calling him a coward and like he was calling him out to say it to his face. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| It never goes good with those guys from... | ||
| For Dagestan? | ||
| It's Dagestan, right? | ||
| Yeah, you know how many people he must have seen get killed? | ||
| Shit. | ||
| I'm going to get mad off mentally. | ||
| He's in a completely different space. | ||
| Goddamn, Mike can't even be in color? | ||
| Why do they have Mike Rodriguez? | ||
| Why is Mike in black and white? | ||
| Why is he in dad shorts? | ||
| What the fuck kind of shit is this? | ||
| What kind of bullshit? | ||
| What is this bullshit? | ||
| They didn't even allow him to flex. | ||
| Goddamn, Mike's guts out. | ||
| He has the fucking regular Russell shorts on that you get in gym class. | ||
| Fuck, Mike. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Oh, Joe Lozon's on the card, too. | ||
| Mike, Slow Mike Rodriguez. | ||
| That's not a great nickname. | ||
| Slow Mike. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That's a trick. | ||
| It's fast. | ||
| So fast I couldn't get him a colored picture. | ||
| Light heavyweight. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| 205 and 192. What is that? | ||
| What's that shit? | ||
| That's not a real weight. | ||
| It's a real weight. | ||
| It's not 192. One of them is 205. One is 192. That doesn't even make any sense. | ||
| Unless they're fighting at 85 and they caught them before the weight cut. | ||
| That makes zero sense. | ||
| That makes zero sense. | ||
| One guy's 13 pounds heavier? | ||
| What weight class are they fighting? | ||
| I mean, I know that's light heavyweight, but what is that? | ||
| Mike Rodriguez, what's a strange name for a black guy, last name Rodriguez. | ||
| Might be Cuban. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| His name's Mike, though. | ||
| Slow-mo Mike. | ||
| But he's just fortunate. | ||
| He got a picture, because usually they just throw up a shadow if they don't have it. | ||
| This time they went, you know what? | ||
| You're not getting a shadow. | ||
| We're going black and white. | ||
| We're gonna let people know that you haven't really fought the UFC before. | ||
| But we're still gonna get pictures. | ||
| What do you think about Chiesa and Pettis? | ||
| Ah, man, Pettis, right? | ||
| He's on a bad streak. | ||
| He's on a rough streak. | ||
| He won his last one, right? | ||
| But then him fighting at 45, whoever told him to do that's insane. | ||
| That's how Holloway got his belt. | ||
| I'm a Kevin Lee fan, but I say he did not submit Michael Chiesa. | ||
| I say he had it, and they should have let him go out, and he would have won, but they didn't, and he didn't. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, we're in the same boat. | ||
| However, if it would have kept going on, he would have been choked unconscious. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| You've been doing jiu-jitsu way too long not to know. | ||
| Chiesa is like Hicks and Gracie. | ||
| Hicks and Gracie lets black belts take his back with a full rear naked choke and he's like, go ahead. | ||
| I know, Gracie. | ||
| Try to choke. | ||
| You know what Gracie we're talking about. | ||
| That's Hickson for God's sakes. | ||
| I love Chiesa. | ||
| That's a far cry from Hicks and Gracie. | ||
| And also, he went to go tap. | ||
| If you look at the video, he panics a little bit, and now he's a black belt, I think? | ||
| He knows what the fuck he's doing. | ||
| He was concentrating on his neck, if you hear him talk about it, that he'd put all his focus on his neck and let his hands go, and he's just tightening it up. | ||
| Oh yeah, you have Kevin Lee who's a fucking anaconda around your neck and has previous wins of rear naked chokes. | ||
| I don't buy it. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| They should have let it go on. | ||
| I think we've been choked unconscious. | ||
| Gotta let it go on. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| Gotta let it go on. | ||
| The only worst ref I've seen was the ref in the Joseph Parker fight. | ||
| I didn't see that fight. | ||
| The ref would not fucking let these guys fight. | ||
| Anytime they even got close, you jump in the room and push them away. | ||
| Who do you think that favored? | ||
| I think they thought it was going to favor Anthony Joshua. | ||
| For sure they want him to win, but actually favored... | ||
| Parker? | ||
| Did you agree with the decision? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Parker definitely lost, but I don't agree where people are like, oh, Anthony Joshua looked bad in off night. | ||
| No, no, you morons. | ||
| And Paulie mentioned this. | ||
| The distance they fought in, such a high level. | ||
| No one got hit. | ||
| And Parker's such a good boxer. | ||
| His jab is so goddamn good. | ||
| It was just a battle of straight skill, man. | ||
| And I thought it was so impressive. | ||
| And people walk away from him going, man, Anthony Joshua's not that good. | ||
| I went, man, he's better than I thought. | ||
| He can box way better than I thought. | ||
| Well, it's because you understand. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The people that say it's not that good because he didn't win by spectacular knockout. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like Deontay Wilder. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Wilder, that's interesting. | ||
| The Wilder fight is very interesting because Wilder talks a ton of shit. | ||
| He's exciting. | ||
| He's brash. | ||
| He's got serious knockout power. | ||
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Crazy. | |
| And he's fun to watch, man. | ||
| And he's like a brash American. | ||
| That's a great fight. | ||
| It's a great fight. | ||
| When are they going to do that? | ||
| Does Wilder have to fight somebody first? | ||
| It sounds like Joshua's going to fight someone else and Wilder's going to fight someone else. | ||
| Why are they doing that? | ||
| That's so stupid. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| You know how boxing is, man. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| Well, they build it up to make this big, giant event. | ||
| And when it comes off, like, look, it comes off. | ||
| It comes off like Pacquiao versus Mayweather. | ||
| It's giant. | ||
| It's the number one problem with boxing. | ||
| Give us the matchups everyone wants to see. | ||
| That's why the UFC gains so much ground. | ||
| Because usually Dana, besides Asperger and Khabib, usually when there's a fight, Dana goes, boom, there you go. | ||
| Super, you want to see steep ADC? Boom, there you go. | ||
| Conor Aldo? | ||
| Boom, there you go. | ||
| So we get all this. | ||
| Conor, Eddie Alvarez? | ||
| There you go. | ||
| So we get these super fights. | ||
| In boxing, like, no, no. | ||
| Listen, we want to do this. | ||
| And this guy's a mandatory. | ||
| I manage this guy. | ||
| And this guy's PBC boxing. | ||
| This guy's Showtime. | ||
| So it's all this red tape. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It'd be a phenomenal fight. | ||
| It'd be a phenomenal fight. | ||
| Phenomenal fight. | ||
| It's gonna happen. | ||
| I think it happens. | ||
| I don't know if it happens at the end of this year, but... | ||
| I just can't believe Triple G and Canelo are not gonna fight on 8th. | ||
| That's such a bummer. | ||
| I feel like it's not even... | ||
| I mean, what is today date? | ||
| Is it April 5th? | ||
| It's a month away. | ||
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Yeah, I know. | |
| They haven't even put the hearing together. | ||
| The hearing is like, what, the 18th or something? | ||
| Canelo backed out. | ||
| Why did he back out? | ||
| I think he knew the odds were against him and backed out. | ||
| And then, you know, Triple G's still planning on fighting May 5th. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He's still going to fight. | ||
| Who the fuck is he going to fight? | ||
| I'd love it if he fought Billy Joe Saunders, but Joe Saunders can't fight until June. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because he's coming off a hand injury. | ||
| But he's like, I'm ready in June. | ||
| Let's do it in June. | ||
| If I'm Triple G, I'm not fighting May 5th. | ||
| You're going to sell 30 pay-per-views. | ||
| When Canelo drops out, whoever they're replaced with, it's not going to be a huge name. | ||
| I'm sure it's going to be a tough guy. | ||
| It's going to be a worthy opponent. | ||
| It's not going to make you bank. | ||
| You make bank off your pay-per-view. | ||
| Just fight in June! | ||
| Just fight in June! | ||
| Fight fucking Billy Joe Saunders in June for us. | ||
| Yeah, but the problem is they don't have the date in June. | ||
| When you look at a venue like the T-Bumble Arena in Vegas, that motherfucker is booked out way in advance. | ||
| Except for the Mayweather-McGregor fight. | ||
| The Mayweather-McGregor fight, they found an opening. | ||
| They said, let's do it. | ||
| Because now you're dealing with the boxing commission. | ||
| Then they have to pay. | ||
| They have to pay, yeah. | ||
| Ice Cube's Basketball League had it booked. | ||
| Ice Cube's Basketball League. | ||
| How much do they have to pay? | ||
| Three-on-three league. | ||
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I heard six million. | |
| Really? | ||
| Six million, and then they did the parking lot. | ||
| But it's three-on-three basketball, so Ice Cube, get the fuck out the way. | ||
| I'll watch three-on-three at the rack. | ||
| I'm not trying to see these old basketball players play three-on-three. | ||
| Get the fuck out so we can watch Conor vs. | ||
| Floyd. | ||
| Don't give us any hassle. | ||
| What is Ice Cube's basketball league? | ||
| It's his three-on-three league. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| They have a bunch of old college players and some old NBA players, and they play a three-on-three half-court game. | ||
| They put it on TV. It was done every week in a different city. | ||
| They have a four-point shot? | ||
| What? | ||
| If they had a master's league and you could only use your left jab, that's what it's like in the UFC. It's a fucking nightmare, you sons of bitches. | ||
| Karate is back. | ||
| New World Full Contact Karate Combat League kicks off. | ||
| Is this with Boss Rutten? | ||
| Just announced today, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, Boss Rutten is the commentator. | ||
| He's coming on. | ||
| He might have something to do with the organization, too. | ||
| Boss is coming on next week to talk about it. | ||
| El Guapo! | ||
| In the house! | ||
| I love Boss. | ||
| I love Boss, too. | ||
| They play in a pit. | ||
| Or they fight, rather. | ||
| In a pit. | ||
| In a straight pit? | ||
| Like sand pit? | ||
| Look at it. | ||
| See it? | ||
| Oh, bro. | ||
| Chuck Norris did this shit. | ||
| Yeah, that's the way to go, man. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It worked out great for Chuck. | ||
| Look, it did work out great. | ||
| He had a lot of successful shows. | ||
| Yeah, they have a fight booked April 26th in Miami. | ||
| Wonder Boy fighting in it. | ||
| They're going to fight with karate pants on, too, it looks like. | ||
| So they're fighting with little gloves on, but they're wearing karate pants. | ||
| And it's going to be in the Olympics. | ||
| Not this exact thing, but karate's in the Olympics for the next one. | ||
| Karate's in the Olympics. | ||
| I'll tell you right now, all these fighters better pray to God Wonder Boy doesn't get a feather up his ass and decide to join this league. | ||
| Or Raymond Daniels or one of these world-class guys. | ||
| Now, can you kick to the legs? | ||
| I don't know about rules on it. | ||
| You better be able to kick to the legs. | ||
| You can fuck it. | ||
| For sure fight in a sandpit, though. | ||
| They should fight in a basketball court. | ||
| Oh, God damn it. | ||
| Stop that. | ||
| I can't! | ||
| We can't say that. | ||
| Fight in a basketball court. | ||
| Period. | ||
| Don't let them get too close to the fans. | ||
| Don't let them get too close to the fans. | ||
| Three rounds, three minutes, offensive technique scored more highly than counter-strikes. | ||
| It says, karate is back! | ||
| Approximately 50 million Americans have participated in karate at some point in their lives. | ||
| And then I grew the fuck up. | ||
| You gotta stop with that. | ||
| Then I grew the fuck up. | ||
| Then I realized, oh, I'm not learning shit that Jean-Claude did in the movies, and this isn't fun anymore. | ||
| Yeah, when someone says that, approximately 50 million Americans have participated in karate at some point in their life. | ||
| Yeah, little kids taking fucking karate classes. | ||
| My seven-year-old's awesome at it. | ||
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Correct. | |
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| I was a yellow adult. | ||
| Fuck out of here. | ||
| The problem with karate is we already know about MMA and we already know about Muay Thai. | ||
| But... | ||
| And Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| What I do like is if they allow leg kicks and they have those small gloves on, it's basically like... | ||
| It's an MMA fight but all standing. | ||
| Yeah, it's all standing. | ||
| But also, they're not going to allow leg kicks. | ||
| God, they've got to allow leg kicks. | ||
| That's a huge fuck-up if they don't allow leg kicks. | ||
| Is Boss just a commentator or is he in on it as a promoter? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I'm going to find out next week. | ||
| But I would hope that they allow leg kicks. | ||
| I don't even like... | ||
| That glory doesn't allow elbows. | ||
| I feel like you should allow elbows. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I think that's the sport. | ||
| The sport is if you're going to stand up, it should be Muay Thai. | ||
| I mean, that to me is the sport. | ||
| The rules of Muay Thai. | ||
| You could throw wheel kicks in Muay Thai. | ||
| You could throw flying sidekicks. | ||
| You do whatever the fuck you want. | ||
| But you also can do Muay Thai. | ||
| Like knees to the body, elbows to the face. | ||
| All those super effective, close range techniques that glory doesn't allow. | ||
| But I think they're worried about with the elbows, guys aren't going to be able to fight close together because of the elbows because of the cuts. | ||
| However, I'd rather deal with that than not allow elbows. | ||
| Well, I don't like the guys fighting close together. | ||
| I think that's super dangerous. | ||
| That's the sport though, isn't it? | ||
| But when you have guys fight more than one time in a night, I think that is fucking crazy. | ||
| When you have guys fight two, three times in a night like Joe Schilling did in the LA Last Man Standing event, that is bananas. | ||
| You're taking a giant chance. | ||
| You're hoping that someone doesn't get severely concussed even in a win in their first fight and then come back and fight in the second fight. | ||
| Doesn't that make it fun though? | ||
| Like that's kind of the nature of the game? | ||
| Like what about wrestling? | ||
| Like NCAAs, those guys wrestle a few times. | ||
| They're not getting head kicked. | ||
| They're cutting massive weight. | ||
| They are cutting massive weight, but they're not getting head kicked. | ||
| Getting head kicked in the first round and getting up at the count of seven and then fighting and then getting head kicked again an hour later. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I just don't like it. | ||
| And also, you don't get the best guy versus the best guy in an even situation, right? | ||
| Like if one guy wins by first-round knockout, the other guy has a four-round war, like Joe Schilling did when he fought Simon Marcus. | ||
| Amazing fight. | ||
| Crazy fight. | ||
| They go to three rounds, it's a draw. | ||
| They go to the third, and Joe had been knocked down, I think, in the first, and then Joe stopped. | ||
| Isn't that kind of cool? | ||
| If you know the sport, you're like, damn, look how these guys just get through this, they've dealt with this, and now it's kind of cool. | ||
| But we know the repercussions. | ||
| Most people don't. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, then the UFC should bring back a tournament, too, then. | ||
| I'm not mad at that. | ||
| The Pride Tournament's It's so old school. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And people are probably going to die because you guys are so good now, but it's what you sign up for. | ||
| Well, the problem is if one guy goes through three rounds of hell and the other guy just lands like a Conor straight left hand they did on Aldo and wins in 13 seconds, it's just not fair. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And, you know, you don't care. | ||
| But however, that guy pulled off that 13 second knockout. | ||
| Another guy had a war. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| I mean, Glory is the only organization right now that's mainstream where you can watch guys fight more than once in a night. | ||
| They do it all the time. | ||
| Here's the point why the UFC is never going to do it and most sports won't do it. | ||
| It's hard to... | ||
| A, it's a long show. | ||
| B, it's hard to market that. | ||
| It shouldn't be sanctioned. | ||
| No. | ||
| There's a reason why it's not. | ||
| You're in the right here. | ||
| There's a reason why it's not. | ||
| I like to play devil's advocate, but the reason why it's not is because the masses are like, what? | ||
| You just saw him get kicked in the face fighting again? | ||
| They sanction it for kickboxing, but they don't sanction that for MMA. Isn't that weird? | ||
| Because Last Man Standing was in LA. We saw that at the fucking forum. | ||
| That was right here. | ||
| The whole rules are weird. | ||
| The judge, and we've talked about this before, and that's why I was so intrigued about the Tony Ferguson fight. | ||
| And this is why I did stand-up at the San Jose Improv. | ||
| And in the front row, and I didn't know they were going to be there, was all of Team AK. John Fitch, Thompson, stuff like that. | ||
| And after the show, someone in front of them asked me, This is before Ferguson dropped. | ||
| I went, Ferguson, Khabib, who's going to win? | ||
| And it was a toss-up for me because I thought Tony was going to do work off his back. | ||
| He was going to land a crazy amount of elbows and fuck up Khabib's face. | ||
| But because Khabib was on top, he'd get the win via decision. | ||
| And I said the losers are going to be the judges because they won't know how to judge that fight. | ||
| And saying that in front of the AK team was awkward. | ||
| Depends upon how it plays out, but if it plays out the way you described it, yeah. | ||
| If Tony is landing big shots from the bottom... | ||
| Submission threats, elbows, his face getting bloody, but Khabib's doing work on top, but Tony's still threatening elbows, elbows, just fucking him up. | ||
| It's possible, but if Khabib mauls him, it should be real clear. | ||
| We don't even know if we're ever going to see that now. | ||
| And that's a sin against humanity. | ||
| He says we won't. | ||
| He says we will never see it. | ||
| He said crazy shit like John Jones never being a main event again. | ||
| He said a lot of crazy shit. | ||
| True. | ||
| He says this person gets a title shot and then someone else does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he's emotional. | ||
| He's upset. | ||
| I'd be pissed too. | ||
| But also, think how much money he's missed out on. | ||
| If they tried to, again, be the fifth time trying to promote this. | ||
| Is that the fifth, really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is the fourth they've dropped out. | ||
| The fourth they've tried to make this fight. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Sean Shelby and Joe Sill was trying to make this fight before he retired. | ||
| It's the one fight he wanted to make. | ||
| It never happened. | ||
| So if you're Dana, you're like, hold up. | ||
| How much money have we put in marketing to these fucks and it just doesn't happen for us? | ||
| We're out. | ||
| We're out. | ||
| But if it does happen, you got to do it. | ||
| You know, you said that you didn't believe it was going to happen until you saw the door bolt and they're standing next to each other. | ||
| Yeah, here we are. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| It's such a shame. | ||
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You're the first person I texted when I saw it because we were talking about how sad we'd be. | |
| It's such a bummer. | ||
| But this is the next best thing. | ||
| No, the next best thing is Connor. | ||
| This is the next best, next best thing. | ||
| This is the next best thing on a six days notice. | ||
| Yeah, you would never get Connor on six days notice. | ||
| No. | ||
| But what if Conor was scheduled to fight? | ||
| See, the thing about Conor at this stage is there's no tune-up fights. | ||
| It's never going to happen again. | ||
| Every fight is just giant. | ||
| The only fight where it would be a level playing field would be Nate Diaz because he's been out just as long. | ||
| So you have a little bit of ring rest. | ||
| You're both going to be out for a long time. | ||
| You're both going through the same thing. | ||
| You fight a guy like Khabib. | ||
| Do you think they offered it to Nate? | ||
| Who do you think they offered it to? | ||
| We know they offered it to Ortega. | ||
| Ortega, Eddie Alvarez. | ||
| And Alvarez said no, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why did he say no? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| He's out of shape. | ||
| Too heavy right now. | ||
| Oh yeah, he's 190. He's been doing it too long. | ||
| He said he's 190. I'm not making that sound. | ||
| He said, I'm all of 190. I love Eddie Alvarez. | ||
| Imagine losing 35 fucking pounds. | ||
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| How much, and if you know, please say it for everyone, how much you think they paid Max Holloway to take this fight? | ||
| Six day notice and they go, bro, we know you're champ at 145. Here's the offer. | ||
| There's no way we're just giving you this much. | ||
| All I know is what Eddie told me on the podcast about Tony. | ||
| He said he was going to make millions. | ||
| So, if that's what we know, we've got to assume there's a big paycheck in it for Max Holloway. | ||
| I told Brian Gus how much you think he's going to pay, and I said, if I'm max, I don't take that fight for under $4 million. | ||
| I know they're in a tough position, and they need a big name, and they're trying to recoup the pay-per-views, so I got them back in the corner. | ||
| I'm on a long-ass win streak. | ||
| I'm saying $4 million or bust. | ||
| Ooh, you're a bold man. | ||
| I'd say two. | ||
| Two? | ||
| After taxes? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not worth it. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Not when you're fighting Khabib? | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| No! | ||
| What? | ||
| I need a million for every day, so six days. | ||
| You know, Max can submit people, but we don't anticipate him submitting Khabib. | ||
| It just seems like... | ||
| Khabib's grappling's on a higher level than Max's. | ||
| It seems like the way Max can win this fight is by pacing, because Max is... | ||
| Even if Max is not in shape, he's in phenomenal shape. | ||
| I mean, he's just... | ||
| He's got an incredible cardio base, and he really knows how to pace himself very well. | ||
| Pacing if it's more of a stand-up fight, and if it's at his tempo. | ||
| Khabib goes, watch your tempo, and just throws in a blender. | ||
| Yeah, he's... | ||
| And it's a six-day notice, and it's a Max who's taking time off, spending time with his family. | ||
| So all the chips are just stacked against Max. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| And it's a weight class above his weight class. | ||
| It's Khabib, who's a huge 155. It's arguably the best grappler in the UFC. And the other problem is he really doesn't entertain the stand-up game, so your chance of the home run shot is even dropped even lower. | ||
| That's why I'm saying four mil. | ||
| Did you hear what he said about it? | ||
| He said, thank you for taking fight. | ||
| I don't think you'll ever be the same again. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Mufasa. | ||
| I don't think you'll ever be the same again. | ||
| Probably not lying. | ||
| That's a dark thing to say, too. | ||
| Not just I'm going to win, but you'll never be the same again. | ||
| That breaks my heart. | ||
| Dude, we might say that. | ||
| I hope he's wrong. | ||
| And you know what I'd do if I was in Max's corner? | ||
| And if it's like halfway through that second round, and I'm like, damn, Max looks exhausted because he's not in shape. | ||
| He's just taking a beat, and he's so tough. | ||
| He's probably going to last five rounds. | ||
| I throw in that towel. | ||
| I'm going to take all the shit from the fans. | ||
| I don't want Max dealing with this because this isn't his fight, to be honest. | ||
| This isn't his fight. | ||
| This isn't his path. | ||
| He's going to make $4 million, hopefully, and he's going to be set for life financially if he's smart with his money. | ||
| However, this isn't his path. | ||
| We did this to help out the UFC. He made bank. | ||
| Here's the towel. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| I know you're going to hate me, Max. | ||
| We'll talk in Hawaii over a bowl of ahi tuna. | ||
| That's not a bad idea. | ||
| Well, I think with a Khabib fight, one of the things is after the first round, you kind of know how it's going to go. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| But the thing for Max, too, if he had 12 weeks and he's in phenomenal shape and he gets taken down, all kind of Chad Mendes, Conor McGregor, when Conor got taken down, we're like, it's just a matter of time. | ||
| Wear him out. | ||
| A matter of time, you're going to catch him. | ||
| But with this, Khabib's in better shape. | ||
| He's had more time. | ||
| He's been preparing for a guy who's insane cardio shape. | ||
| So it's just the odds are so fucked for Max. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Really crazy. | ||
| I'm stressed. | ||
| I'm so stressed. | ||
| As I explain it myself, I'm stressed out. | ||
| Wow, it's going to be interesting. | ||
| It's going to be interesting, man. | ||
| It's going to be a good one. | ||
| So we were talking before, let's wrap this up, but before talking before this, we want to do a fight companion, but there's no fights that we're all around for a fight companion. | ||
| So let's do a fight companion, get all the boys in here, and put on some fights. | ||
| Doing a random night or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, a random, like a fucking Tuesday or some shit. | ||
| And maybe order some pizzas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm eating pizza every now and then. | ||
| Well, every now and then. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Well, wait. | ||
| We'll save it for a cheat meal. | ||
| How about neither one of us cheat till that night? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Deal? | ||
| It's a deal. | ||
| Deal. | ||
| I'll get the pizzas. | ||
| Let's wrap this bitch up. | ||
| Brendan Schaub, Big Brown Breakdown. | ||
| No, Below the Belt. | ||
| No more. | ||
| It's just Below the Belt. | ||
| The podcast is renamed Below the Belt. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Oh. | |
| It's still on my show. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's still on my show. | ||
| Below the belt. | ||
| Yeah, next episode. | ||
| You changed the name of your podcast. | ||
| Just so it's all in cohesion. | ||
| To go with your show. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Next episode's number four episode next Wednesday night. | ||
| Tfatk.com. | ||
| The Fighter and the Kid. | ||
| The Fighter and the Kid. | ||
| And then Friday night, Bakersfield. | ||
| There's 30 tickets left this Friday night at Bakersfield. | ||
| Where are you at at Bakersfield? | ||
| Tumberland Brewing or something. | ||
| Joey Diaz is there. | ||
| It's a good spot. | ||
| I love Bakersfield. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| It's fucking fun, man. | ||
| I had a great time at Bakersfield. | ||
| I'm there this Friday night and then April 20th, 21st, Calgary. | ||
| Yuck yucks. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Houston, June. | ||
| T-back K. Love you. |
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