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June 4, 2017 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - June 3, 2017
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bryan callen
26:45
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eddie bravo
27:52
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joe rogan
01:43:40
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brendan schaub
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
Oh, Christ.
unidentified
He's alright.
joe rogan
Alright, we're going live now, finally.
Here we go.
We had a just...
Disaster trying to order from the UFC TV app.
And then so we had to go for the DirecTV, and then we went to DirecTV, and then we had to call in, and I couldn't talk to a person.
I had to enter in shit, so I had to check, find my fucking account number online.
We all panicked a little bit.
Disaster!
We panicked a little bit.
But we're here.
Eddie Bravo's here, ladies and gentlemen.
eddie bravo
Hello, how you doing?
joe rogan
Brian motherfucking Callum's here.
bryan callen
Yes, sir, everybody.
How are you?
Good to be here.
joe rogan
Good to be here.
Brian bought wine.
That could be a good or a bad decision.
bryan callen
We're going California first, then we're going to go a little Italy for my boy at Via Veneto, courtesy.
joe rogan
Okay.
bryan callen
Fabricio hooked us up with a beautiful wife.
unidentified
Yeah, look at this.
joe rogan
He's giving shout-outs already.
unidentified
We just started.
bryan callen
No, he gave me some great wine.
joe rogan
Yancy Medeiros won already.
We didn't even get a chance to watch the fight because we just got it live.
And Brendan motherfucking Chubb!
unidentified
What's up, dog?
joe rogan
What is going on with that shirt?
You are in like a 1980s rapping movie.
He sure is.
Boy, I'm glad you mentioned that.
I look like a young Michael J. Fox.
Well, you look like a dude who's in one of those break-in movies.
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
You should have a bandana.
You should.
bryan callen
You should be a tough guy with a switchblade in an 80s movie.
That's what you should do.
eddie bravo
Poor Mexican chicks wear jeans of that material.
joe rogan
They do.
It's in right now.
Is it in?
bryan callen
Because that's artificially distressed in the extreme.
joe rogan
Did you see?
bryan callen
The kids are wearing it.
joe rogan
They just showed Shogun.
Have you seen the UFC light heavyweight rankings?
Yeah, he's like three.
I think he's tied for four.
It's really crazy.
They're going to have that Ozdemir dude.
He's going to fight Jimmy Manawa.
unidentified
Are you talking about pound for pound champ?
joe rogan
He's had two fights in the UFC, and he's like number three now.
bryan callen
He's weird.
joe rogan
Light heavyweight's the weirdest division with Jon Jones out.
unidentified
He's killing it.
joe rogan
With Jon Jones out, and Gustafson obviously just rose to the top of the heap.
How good did he look?
Goddamn!
Did you watch that fight?
eddie bravo
Which one?
joe rogan
Gustafson and Teixeira?
eddie bravo
I missed that whole UFC. Holy shit!
I was on my way back.
joe rogan
Dude, Gustafson was a ninja.
He's gonna be tough to beat, man.
Dude, he was so on point.
It was one of the best performances of his entire career.
It was incredible.
unidentified
Those uppercuts?
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Accuracy.
That accuracy was insane.
brendan schaub
I heard the fight companion, but I didn't actually watch it.
joe rogan
Ha!
Dude, he was amazing.
Gustafson was as good as he's ever.
I don't think he's ever looked better.
unidentified
He's giving me a handful to beat for John and DC. Yeah, he's coming into his own.
joe rogan
You know, he's 30 years old.
He's been fighting for a long time.
He's had tough fights with John, tough fight with DC. He got beat up by Rumble, you know, and he's took a long time off, came back, and looked better than he's ever looked.
bryan callen
Wasn't he for a second there thinking about retiring?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You think he was.
unidentified
After he lost in his hometown, he was just tough on him.
brendan schaub
I bet you he's the light heavyweight champ by the end of the year.
joe rogan
He could be.
bryan callen
You think he beats Jon Jones?
joe rogan
Yep.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
Who knows?
He's the only guy.
If John comes back, we don't even know what John's gonna come back looking like.
When a guy takes that much time off and, you know, he's...
Who knows?
Either he's gonna come back better than ever, like Rory McDonald looked in Bellator.
Rory just needed rest, though.
He's never looked like...
You know, like, Rory just needed rest.
He rushed it.
unidentified
John, he needs a little coca.
joe rogan
He ain't a whore.
Oh, Jesus.
bryan callen
Hey, bro.
unidentified
Well, he's in button-ups and blazers talking about God.
joe rogan
I don't need that.
unidentified
I don't like that, John.
joe rogan
That's the OSP, John.
That was bullshit.
bryan callen
You want the relax, John, who just doesn't double-make care.
brendan schaub
I want the two-day training camp, John.
joe rogan
I wonder John that takes a flying knee for his first opening move against Shogun.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
When he's 22. Yes!
bryan callen
One of those crazy spinning elbows.
brendan schaub
How about him bragging that he beat DC high?
eddie bravo
He's going for it.
joe rogan
He's like, I did coke a week before I beat you.
eddie bravo
The best line of all time.
joe rogan
The best line of all time, I thought.
eddie bravo
Exactly.
His career's not going to be affected by that.
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
Right now we accept that he's a wild motherfucker.
joe rogan
No, he's the bad guy.
It's better if he comes clean.
Yeah, be that guy.
We fucking love that guy.
bryan callen
It's always better if you come clean, period.
joe rogan
You can smell the fakeness from a mile away.
eddie bravo
What if he turns into a Conor McGregor butt on coke?
joe rogan
Good luck beating that guy.
bryan callen
I just think if you're caught up in the demons, and if you're completely honest about it, Americans love you.
They forgive the shit out of you.
joe rogan
Charlie Sheen.
bryan callen
Hey, I fucked up again!
Exactly.
joe rogan
Charlie Sheen's like the best example of that ever.
I mean, who the fuck ever admitted to doing crack?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like on a regular basis, talking about how he does it.
That's how I do it.
That's how we roll.
And then who goes on and gets a TV deal for $900 million after that?
brendan schaub
Yeah, Robert Downey Jr. too.
joe rogan
Dude, he got the worst TV deal ever.
Yeah, that's Iron Man.
But he went to jail.
eddie bravo
He got caught.
unidentified
He was fucking he-she's, right?
joe rogan
What's that?
Iron Man was fucking he-she's, wasn't he?
eddie bravo
Robert Downey Jr., it seemed when I was growing up, was in the news, you always saw him in court for something, right?
Robert Downey Jr. was always asking for forgiveness.
unidentified
Yeah, for being awesome.
eddie bravo
Right?
Every couple years, he was always like, Robert Downey Jr. is in court today.
joe rogan
Right.
eddie bravo
And you know what?
He still makes humongous movies.
He still makes Iron Man.
unidentified
He's killing it.
bryan callen
He's amazing.
eddie bravo
Yeah, we forgive drug problems easily.
joe rogan
It's when you hide it.
unidentified
He came back.
eddie bravo
That's how movies start.
Movies start with dudes who are drunks like an ex-cop and he gave up on life and he's just a loser.
He doesn't care about anybody.
joe rogan
He throws a pizza in a blender.
eddie bravo
Not only that, we root for Escobar.
When you watch Narcos, aren't you kind of pulling for him?
joe rogan
Yeah, you really want him to pull it out.
bryan callen
People are pulling for him.
That's when you know somebody did their job as a storyteller.
That's why Silence of the Lambs was so genius, because you liked him and wanted him to be free, because you were like, you know what?
He does eat people, but he wouldn't eat meat.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I never rooted for Hannibal Lecter.
eddie bravo
Not only did everybody root for Tony Montana, but anytime I would see that movie another time, I was hoping there would be some kind of alternate ending.
unidentified
As a kid, I'd go, why don't he just leave town?
eddie bravo
Why don't you go back to your house?
bryan callen
He's like an anti-hero.
unidentified
Shit!
joe rogan
Do you remember when we were watching, what's his face, Larry David's show, Curb Your Enthusiasm?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
He had that crazy-eyed killer guy, and he played Scarface over his house 24-7.
It's a great show.
bryan callen
I don't remember that.
eddie bravo
On the ceiling, he had a plasma on the ceiling.
joe rogan
He was playing Scarface 24-7 in his crib.
He just had Scarface on it.
That's a funny thing, man.
Scarface is a funny movie.
You know they're remaking it.
It's probably the first movie ever with an anti-hero.
Was that the first one?
bryan callen
Well, no, not the first one, I don't think.
joe rogan
The first big one?
eddie bravo
Well, Clint Eastwood movies were kind of like that, right?
bryan callen
Yeah, Clint Eastwood was like the High Plains Drifter.
He was kind of a ne'er-do-well, came back.
eddie bravo
But he would do good things.
He wouldn't do shitty shit.
He was never a douchebag, right?
joe rogan
Which one was the one where he came back to life, though?
bryan callen
The Godfather was a good example.
joe rogan
Which was the one where he came back to life?
Was it High Plains Drifter?
bryan callen
I think it was High Plains Drifter.
joe rogan
They beat him and whipped him to death and he came back to life as a supernatural hitman and he came back and fucked everybody up.
bryan callen
Well, I don't know that that was the case, but I know that when High Plains Drifter takes his shirt off and he's got all these bullet marks and the guy goes, but you're dead.
joe rogan
Wait, wasn't he supposed to be like a ghost?
He came back and killed everybody?
bryan callen
Maybe.
joe rogan
See if that's the case.
I'm pretty sure that was High Plains Drifter's storyline, was that he was like, he came back from the dead.
He was a different person.
He looked different.
I'm pretty sure.
bryan callen
I love that movie.
brendan schaub
I only know Clint Eastwood from, you know, his current movies.
eddie bravo
I don't know his old shit.
bryan callen
You never saw The Outlaw Josie Wales?
joe rogan
No, I'm young.
bryan callen
That movie stands the test of time.
joe rogan
No, I'm young.
eddie bravo
Is that the best Clint Eastwood movie?
bryan callen
I mean, Outlaw Josie Wells, man, it's pretty close.
joe rogan
What year did that come out, though?
bryan callen
It doesn't matter.
joe rogan
It came out way before our time, honestly.
eddie bravo
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was like in 1970 or something like that.
bryan callen
But if it came out now, it would still kill me.
unidentified
It's a great movie.
eddie bravo
I don't know too much about Clint Eastwood.
I wasn't really into westerns, but I know there's a bunch you hear Joey talking about and stuff.
I would be interested in seeing a documentary based on his career.
unidentified
Me too.
bryan callen
And the chicks.
It started with...
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
That was the first one.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
And then how many did he make after that?
Westerns.
bryan callen
He made so many.
And here's the most.
joe rogan
He did them in Italy.
bryan callen
More than that.
unidentified
Because it was cheap.
What?
bryan callen
But here's the most controversial.
joe rogan
They were called spaghetti westerns.
Because they were doing them in Italy.
Because they would film in Italy and pretend they were in New Mexico and shit.
eddie bravo
That's why I always wondered why.
bryan callen
Two of the most controversial moments in movie history with Clint Eastwood.
One is he rapes a woman.
He straight up rapes her.
In a barn.
He just...
eddie bravo
Clint Eastwood rapes a girl in a movie.
bryan callen
What movie is that?
And he's a hero.
And then, the second movie, he plays...
joe rogan
Was that High Plains Drifter 2?
bryan callen
Nope.
eddie bravo
At that point, was he a douchebag in the movie?
bryan callen
Can you look at what movie it was?
unidentified
No.
eddie bravo
Or was that just him as a normal guy?
joe rogan
No, he was just a man.
eddie bravo
And it was clear that he raped a girl.
bryan callen
What?
And then she falls in love with him.
And then she falls in love with him later.
eddie bravo
What?
bryan callen
Okay, how about this?
What is this called?
unidentified
Good luck in that pass today.
joe rogan
Look at this.
They're making him do something to his feet.
They're making him trim his toenails.
They always check your toenails.
If you've got to trim your toenails, do it with a fucking toenail clipper and then file that shit down.
You know, Mike Winklejohn doesn't have a fucking eyeball because of that.
That's not bullshit.
That's true.
That is something very serious that should have been taken care of a long time ago.
If I was fighting this guy, and I saw that he was doing that to his toenails right before a fight with his fingers, I'd be like, fuck that, man.
bryan callen
No, he's using a clipper.
He's using a clipper.
joe rogan
Well, think how sharp it is, though, to the point to file it down.
But he needs to file it down, too.
unidentified
They're so sharp.
eddie bravo
Look at that big toe.
joe rogan
So he's trimming it, and then on top, he's going to do the other toe, too.
The ref's going to do it now.
eddie bravo
Can you imagine if he gogoplat on him?
joe rogan
The fucking ref is trimming his toenails, man.
Are you serious?
This is crazy.
bryan callen
He's very religious.
joe rogan
But they should be polished.
You should sand those fuckers down, man.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I agree.
They should have little condoms over them.
bryan callen
No, time to sand them.
eddie bravo
They should have mini condoms.
joe rogan
That's not a bad idea, really.
eddie bravo
Hey.
joe rogan
Look, fingernails fuck people's eyeballs up.
You know, that's a big part of what's going on with these eye pokes.
It's not just a blunt object.
It's a blunt object with a fucking hard edge to it.
Did you hear Glover?
He goes, when I got poked in that, I saw three Gustafsons.
And then he goes, can you see?
unidentified
He goes, no, but I want to keep fighting.
joe rogan
And they go, all right, cool.
unidentified
They let him fight.
joe rogan
I'm glad they didn't stop the fight.
And he goes, it wouldn't matter, though.
He had my timing.
unidentified
He was faster, but, you know, he had everything.
eddie bravo
Well, if he couldn't see out of one eye, that was...
brendan schaub
He was getting beat up before that, though, but he did say, he goes, it wouldn't matter.
joe rogan
What does it say, Jamie?
jamie vernon
High Plains Drifter had the rape, and I can't quite tell if this is the one reason- How did they get away with that?
joe rogan
I think that's one of the reasons why he got away with it, because he was this guy coming back from the dead.
What's the premise?
jamie vernon
It says at the beginning, attractive townswoman deliberately bumps into him in the street, knocks his cigar from his mouth.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I don't mean the premise of the rape.
I mean the premise of the movie.
unidentified
It's a long plot here.
High Plains Drifter.
bryan callen
Here's the other insanely controversial moment in Clint Eastwood.
There's a girl.
She's about eight, maybe younger.
She saves him from...
He's a Union soldier.
She saves him from the Confederate soldiers.
He saves life.
She says, no, he's not here.
And he looks at her, and because he saves life, he turns and kisses her on the lips for about five seconds.
How about that?
unidentified
Oof.
bryan callen
Yeah, more than that.
It's like, you're like, what?
I mean, they got away with some shit.
Yeah, but by the way, no, no, it was a different movie.
joe rogan
Which movie?
bryan callen
And in this, he wasn't, you knew he wasn't like a pedophile.
He was just so happy that his life had been spared that he, you could never get away with that and probably shouldn't in movies.
But, you know, the 70s.
joe rogan
Well, that's what's really crazy is like how much culture's changed since 1970. Yep.
How much humans have changed.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
bryan callen
It's true.
unidentified
I feel like Paulo here could rape a girl and get away with in the movies.
I mean, he is a dime piece.
bryan callen
He's a good-looking fella.
unidentified
You've seen this kid fight before?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
Yeah, he's very good.
How do you pronounce his last name?
unidentified
It's going to be tough.
You're asking the wrong gentleman here.
bryan callen
He's built like a Greek statue.
unidentified
I have a speech impediment, Joe.
You know this.
bryan callen
Congratulations.
joe rogan
Jamie, see if you can find the pronunciation of his name.
Well, we'll hear it from Brian Stan.
eddie bravo
There's things that you can't do anymore nowadays, but there's things now that you couldn't do back then.
Like, shit seems to be slipping into TV every now and then, and maybe a fuck after 10. They're starting to...
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
Did you see the Wayans?
unidentified
They were talking shit.
They had to separate them.
Wow.
bryan callen
Can I ask you guys a question, who are in the know?
I know the USADA is very strict, but if you're in Brazil, are you...
How dare you?
I'm asking a question!
How dare you?
I'm literally just asking...
joe rogan
I smell racism.
Let's say his name.
What do you think his name is?
Uloane Borachina.
unidentified
Borachina.
bryan callen
Borachina, and then his name is...
I think he's from Nigeria.
That's my guess.
unidentified
You think?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's hear it.
Let's hear it.
Give me some volume.
unidentified
It'd be hilarious if Bruce fucks us up.
bryan callen
I can't hear my...
unidentified
Here we go.
joe rogan
Let's hear the names.
A little louder.
unidentified
Bamboshe.
joe rogan
Okay, now listen to this.
unidentified
It's going to be a great fight.
joe rogan
Nine wins.
eddie bravo
Boracina.
That means drunk.
joe rogan
Does it?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Drunk chick.
Or little drunk dude.
joe rogan
Boracina.
unidentified
Boracina.
eddie bravo
It's like a little drunk.
joe rogan
I bet you this fight doesn't get out of the first round, gentlemen.
For real?
I don't think so, the way the homeboy fights.
How much volume can we have and still...
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
What happens?
unidentified
I mean, the sound will get in the feed.
joe rogan
Oh, okay, right.
And then we get pulled off.
Goddamn YouTube.
You two are a bunch of haters.
bryan callen
Uh-oh.
Somebody's explosive.
joe rogan
Oh, they're swinging.
unidentified
You said somebody's explosive?
bryan callen
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Because he's black?
bryan callen
They're both explosive.
unidentified
I didn't say.
bryan callen
I said somebody, bro.
Don't ever put words in my mouth.
unidentified
Well, the black guy didn't do anything.
joe rogan
Wow, he's explosive.
bryan callen
I didn't say that.
eddie bravo
I wish that was a stereotype for Mexicans.
bryan callen
If anything, I would say.
joe rogan
It's so funny.
When you're watching two guys fight like this, they're so tense.
When you have a bunch of bad blood between two guys, you can almost see it in how wound up and pulled back they are.
They also don't have a lot of experience, though, either, Joe.
That's only Homeboy's second fight.
He's cupped up.
They cupped the shit out of his back.
Does that work, Brian?
What's going on?
bryan callen
I personally don't believe it worked.
joe rogan
How did it work?
What did it do?
brendan schaub
I had all like this bad blood in there that wasn't moving, circulating.
joe rogan
It literally got it out.
It was like darker.
A healer.
unidentified
Yeah, it might be some bullshit.
bryan callen
I call it placebo.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, you mean it got it out?
How does it get it out?
brendan schaub
They poke holes in your knee and then put the suction on and it sucks the stagnant blood.
joe rogan
Oh, they suck blood out of you?
Oh, look at this.
Some vampire shit.
With a high back mount.
He's getting a little sloppy there.
He's just a little too wild.
Yeah, but he's attacking.
Ooh, just barely missed that left hook.
bryan callen
Now he's getting loose, guys.
He's getting loose.
joe rogan
That guy's jacked.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
He looks like a fella you would see on the beach.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
The machete.
unidentified
The black fella or the Brazilian?
joe rogan
Both of them.
They both look like beach boys.
bryan callen
Yeah, they both have beach bodies.
unidentified
Couple beach bullies.
joe rogan
I was talking about the Brazilian character, though.
He looks like some dude coming out of the water with a Speedo on.
Yeah, for Dior or some shit.
I'm super uncomfortable about being on the beach with a shirt off.
Yeah, I'd go ahead and run my keto ass away.
unidentified
I don't think he's a kid.
I just think he's a beast.
joe rogan
Oh, nice inside leg kick.
Bambouche.
Bambouche has those Jon Jones legs.
unidentified
Those things are dangerous.
joe rogan
He's very stiff with his upper body.
Oh, he just got head kicked.
bryan callen
He throws big shots.
Bambouche looks a little tired, guys.
joe rogan
Yeah, and we're only two minutes in.
See, that's being all tight and wound up.
I mean, these guys got to catch their second wind.
And now you see him pacing himself.
And he's moving like nothing smooth.
brendan schaub
It's all fucking moving.
joe rogan
A lot of looking to spin from him.
A couple times.
unidentified
I like what I'm saying by Bamboozle.
eddie bravo
Bamboozle?
joe rogan
Hey, man.
unidentified
I like it.
eddie bravo
I think he's badass.
He throws big-ass shots.
bryan callen
Bamboozle's gonna lose.
Bamboozle.
eddie bravo
When he throws, it's big.
He just waits for a shot.
He's not fucking around.
He throws big shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's whether or not he can sustain this.
unidentified
It'll be fine.
eddie bravo
This is his style.
unidentified
He's like Dominic Cruz.
eddie bravo
Look at this.
joe rogan
Dominic Cruz?
unidentified
What?
No, he's like...
eddie bravo
He's more like Mike Tyson.
He keeps switching stances.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Yeah, but I mean, he's obviously not as fluid as Donald.
eddie bravo
You know what?
That resilience throwing heat, though.
joe rogan
They're both throwing heat.
These guys are two dudes who don't really like each other.
Oh, boy.
He pointed to him.
He's like, oh, I got you.
I got you.
He keeps looking at the clock.
unidentified
Or he's just as crazy as I can't tell.
joe rogan
Oh, he's getting hurt now.
eddie bravo
He's throwing wild shit now.
unidentified
Yeah.
Let's go Boracino.
joe rogan
Go ahead and get Bamboozle out of here.
He's coming.
bryan callen
Oh, nice.
Went to the leg.
That's kind of smart.
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Bamboozier was worried about the bodies going to the body now with the punches.
Oh, God.
Oh, Jesus.
unidentified
Oh, this guy's no joke.
joe rogan
His first fight, he got performance of the night.
eddie bravo
He's like Roberto Duran.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Dude.
unidentified
Roberto Duran.
bryan callen
Those are kind of hurt when you're out of breath.
joe rogan
Terrible comparisons.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
John Jones, Roberto Duran, and Dominic Cruz.
eddie bravo
Come on.
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm talking about the Brazilian.
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Oh, beautiful elbow.
Oh, my God.
eddie bravo
Come on.
He's like Butterbean.
bryan callen
He's better than Duran.
joe rogan
He's in trouble.
bryan callen
Guys, this is a fight.
Oh, my God.
eddie bravo
He's better than Duran.
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
Okay.
joe rogan
No chance.
Better than Duran.
Duran's boxing is like some of the best ever.
eddie bravo
God.
The body shots against the ropes.
joe rogan
I hear you.
eddie bravo
That's like Julio Cesar Chavez right there.
I could have dropped that.
bryan callen
By the way, look at that mark on the inside of his knee on Borashina's knee.
Notice how I rolled the R. Borashina.
joe rogan
I don't think that's the right way to say it, though.
You're chewing it like you're in France or something.
bryan callen
Like you're Spanish.
You've got a good Brazilian accent.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think that's...
eddie bravo
Can you commentate in your Brazilian accent for just a little while?
bryan callen
Yeah, it's been a while for me, you know, but I'm going to try now.
That guy's going to go, look, oh, oh, control the posture.
joe rogan
Posture.
bryan callen
No, guys, because I was in France.
unidentified
It's Jamaican now.
bryan callen
Because I was in Jamaica, then I was in France, but I'm from Brazil.
joe rogan
Posture, control position.
eddie bravo
Come on, Bamboozio, let him off.
joe rogan
Posture, very good posture.
Wow, the first round.
Bamboozio made it up.
bryan callen
He's having trouble walking.
joe rogan
Look at him wobbling, dude.
He's wobbling.
He is fucking wobbling.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
He pointed to Jesus.
unidentified
He gave up to Jesus.
joe rogan
Jesus is going to help him beat this dude's ass.
brendan schaub
Jesus better give him some fucking oxygen.
joe rogan
Dude, Boracina just...
He poured it on, man.
eddie bravo
Oh, look at these.
Can his muscles be fatiguing at this point?
joe rogan
Because of all the blood.
You know what?
eddie bravo
All the blood.
joe rogan
That dude's in shape.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look, you can be built and still have endurance.
I mean, when Tim Kennedy was at his best, he was always built like a tank.
bryan callen
Never got tired.
joe rogan
And had good endurance.
eddie bravo
Was he shredded?
unidentified
Him and Luke Rockwell, you look at those Strikeforce days, both from Shred City.
joe rogan
But it's a fine line, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a fine line.
Like, you get too much mass and not enough conditioning, and you work too much on explosion in the fight, and not enough on technique, not enough on pacing yourself.
eddie bravo
He's got giant shoulders.
joe rogan
Dude, look at Anthony Joshua.
He's shred city.
unidentified
240 pounds.
joe rogan
240. And came back, you know?
unidentified
Got dropped in the sixth round.
joe rogan
Almost.
bryan callen
And then came back and dropped in the next round.
joe rogan
He dropped Klitschko, and then Klitschko dropped him in the next round.
And then he dropped Klitschko twice in the final round.
bryan callen
Uppercuts were crazy.
joe rogan
Which, by the way, I think was a controversial stoppage.
Boy, that guy's built.
Holy shit, Boracino.
eddie bravo
It's the shoulders.
joe rogan
He's stacked.
unidentified
Yeah, he is, man.
joe rogan
We'll just toss it up genetics, though.
Oh, he's definitely got amazing genetics.
unidentified
No, that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
It's all genetics.
unidentified
Because you know that Golden Snitch is sniffing around these two like a fucking bloodhound.
joe rogan
Well, he's young and he's got that mesomorphic structure.
It doesn't look out of place.
bryan callen
Also, Brazil would be a hard place to hide.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, he doesn't look like his young Vitor.
Are you in fear of facetious?
bryan callen
I don't know what you're talking about.
unidentified
Oh, did you see that?
bryan callen
I'm not accusing anybody.
eddie bravo
That was a double front chop.
joe rogan
Well, isn't Vitor on the card tonight?
We're gonna find out what the fuck is up What is he gonna look like Vitor against Nate Marquardt Both of them have dadgled in the Iron Man Both of them Oh he's gonna come out looking like both of them They're gonna make a deal They're gonna say listen, I'm gonna let my sister be for me Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
He just kicked and fell.
bryan callen
And now it's going to be bad.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Real bad.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Eddie, what was that clip that you posted?
bryan callen
Boracino's not really tired.
joe rogan
That MMA fight.
bryan callen
That's the end of that.
joe rogan
I didn't see the fight, but how did it...
Oh, Boracino gets a stoppage.
Eddie, what was that MMA fight that you posted on your Instagram where someone was going for the heel hook?
eddie bravo
Alan be tripping.
bryan callen
Oh shit.
joe rogan
What was that MMA fight you posted on your Instagram today?
Where someone was going for the heel hook.
eddie bravo
That was earlier today.
It was in the prelims.
joe rogan
And the other dude was beating the shit out of him while he was going for the heel hook, but then the minute ran out.
Who won that fight?
eddie bravo
Matthew Lopez.
joe rogan
The guy on top.
Oh, that's my boy.
eddie bravo
Yeah, the Brazilian.
I forget the Brazilian's name.
joe rogan
So the Brazilian was a cat that was going for the heel hook.
eddie bravo
Yes.
joe rogan
Damn, that was a battle.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he put him right in 50-50.
bryan callen
That's tough.
eddie bravo
And he had the heel hook, and he had it, but he held on.
And Matthew Lopez used to dealing with heel hooks all the time.
unidentified
He's a great wrestler, too.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Impressive defense, though, man, because he got to death's door.
He got to death's door a couple of times.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
joe rogan
Real good defense, but damn hammer fist from hell.
eddie bravo
Yeah, that's the danger in going for leg locks in MMA. They work.
They work, but some of the times you're going to get smashed.
joe rogan
Jamie's going to play it.
Look it up there.
Look it up there on the left.
Dude, I mean, this is like as close to a goddamn heel hook as you're going to get.
This dude's jacking on it and yanking on it.
And homeboy, Matthew Lopez is a bad motherfucker because he was in pain here for sure.
And he survived.
unidentified
Look at this.
Ding, ding, ding.
Oh, he's a tough kid, man.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
eddie bravo
And he still has it.
Right here, they shouldn't allow head kicks with the foot.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck yeah.
eddie bravo
You should be able to stomp the head.
unidentified
100%.
eddie bravo
He would have knocked them out.
joe rogan
Listen, why can you kick someone in the head standing up and you can't kick someone in the head on the ground?
It makes zero sense.
It's a viable move.
Look.
If you want to say that the guy standing up can't soccer kick the guy in the head or stomp him in the head, okay, we can argue that because of the cage.
unidentified
That's fair.
joe rogan
Because the guy can't go anywhere, but you can't argue that if they're in that position.
If the guy's going for a heel hook and they're both on the ground, you should absolutely be able to kick just like you can absolutely elbow to the head, you could punch to the head.
Why can't you kick to the head?
It makes zero sense.
eddie bravo
Zero.
Upkicks should be legal.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
You're on your back.
eddie bravo
You get a free shot.
unidentified
It might be too hard.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, you can hit a guy with a wheel kick.
eddie bravo
It's too hard.
It's too hard.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, you can hit a guy with a wheel kick, but you can't upkick him when you're on your back and he's trying to close in on you?
Fuck that.
You should be able to go crazy.
You should be able to, when the guy's on his knees, you should be able to kick him.
Two knees, one knee.
You should be able to kick the shit out of him if you're on your back.
eddie bravo
You know, I was in Singapore, and I hung out with Shatree, the guy who owns Evolve, and he owns one FC. Oh, the guy who owns Evolve owns one FC as well?
Yeah.
One championship.
One FC? I swear, I've been to a thousand UFC events.
I've never been to an event like this.
Really?
Hey, bro.
One championship, as far as production goes, and how...
Fuck.
joe rogan
Really?
Who does English commentary for them?
eddie bravo
It's the most incredible.
It's like this VIP section was just...
The way it was all set up was just, let's just spend...
There's no budget.
It was incredible.
Every fighter, every fighter that came out...
Had its own music video.
An own show.
They'd really go off on promoting each individual fighter.
Each guy came out and had his own music video.
His own song.
joe rogan
Damn.
eddie bravo
Cut up.
joe rogan
Who's the big stars over there?
Is Asuka a star over there?
eddie bravo
Askren's a huge star.
unidentified
Dude, that guy has mitts!
eddie bravo
The reason I bring it up, Joe, is I was talking with them and I asked him...
unidentified
I said...
eddie bravo
He was going back and forth on the rules because they allowed soccer kicks initially.
joe rogan
Well, you see Brandon Veer's soccer kick?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
So then eventually he said, we got to pull him out.
You know, there was a couple of examples.
joe rogan
Really?
eddie bravo
People's teeth go in the same way.
But it's his decision.
He doesn't have a commission.
He can do whatever he wants.
unidentified
Damn, it's just up to him.
eddie bravo
Yeah, it's up to him.
And he decided to pull the soccer kicks.
And all kicks on the ground.
And I said, including up kicks...
And he goes, well, technically, yes.
But he thought about it for a second, or maybe he allowed him.
I'm a little confused as to what he said, but he agreed at the end of the conversation that upkicks should be legal.
I mean, you're on your back, and you allow a wheel kick.
unidentified
So there's no commission.
joe rogan
You 100% should be able to up kick at any time.
When the guy says one knee on the ground, two knees on the ground, no knees on the ground.
unidentified
It's too gray right now.
joe rogan
You're on your back.
You should be able to get back to your feet.
It's a viable technique.
And the guy shouldn't be so confident that he can close the distance.
Okay?
The only reason he's so confident that he can close the distance and get a hold of you is because you can't up kick him when you have one knee down.
Right.
It's a bullshit strategy.
It's a bullshit strategy based on a bullshit safety.
So Eddie, there's no commission out there?
eddie bravo
No.
unidentified
So everyone going Sizzler.
eddie bravo
Yeah, he calls the shots.
joe rogan
How crazy.
eddie bravo
But, like I said, I've never been to a show like that.
Damn, I want to go.
unidentified
You sold me, bro.
eddie bravo
You sold me.
joe rogan
Syrigously.
eddie bravo
It's one dude.
Shatree, he's the man.
unidentified
What ethnicity is that, gentlemen?
eddie bravo
It's like, he just wants the best show.
joe rogan
What ethnicity is he?
eddie bravo
He's half Thai, half Japanese.
joe rogan
Who does the commentary for English?
unidentified
Does Rich Franklin do it?
eddie bravo
Rich Franklin just moved there to work for him as a VP. I love me some Rich Franklin.
Ben Askren wants to move there.
joe rogan
Ben Askren wants to move to Singapore?
eddie bravo
And work for 1FC. Holy shit.
unidentified
After he's done budding?
eddie bravo
He's thinking about retiring.
brendan schaub
If Asuka never gets to the UFC, that's such a fucking shame.
eddie bravo
That guy's an animal, man.
He would beat our champ right now.
bryan callen
How dare you?
Joe, do you think it should be illegal, if you're inside control, to knee the head?
joe rogan
100%.
bryan callen
Really?
100% on your hands and knees.
joe rogan
Don't be in that position.
If your guy can get you inside control, you should be fucking scrambling like a wildcat.
If you're not scrambling like a wildcat, it means you're compromised.
And if you're compromised, it means you either got too tired or you got too hurt and that guy should be able to capitalize.
A knee to the head when you're down, the only time it's a problem in my eyes is when you can't move your head.
That's why pride was superior in that respect because they had those ropes.
So you can go under the ropes and avoid soccer kicks, you could avoid stomps, you could avoid knees.
The only argument against soccer kicks and stomps and knees to the head is the fucking cage.
Getting your head pressed up against the cage and getting stuck.
In my opinion, that makes it a problem.
Because the guy can't get out of the way of a strike, so then the artificial boundary of the cage becomes a weapon.
And obviously you can strategize to get the fuck away from it, don't let it happen to you.
If it does happen to you, it's very dangerous.
It makes fights more exciting because there's more opportunities for KOs, but you're going to shorten careers too.
bryan callen
I have a different point of view on it in that I don't think that when you don't have knees to the head when you're in that position or when your hands are on the ground or, for example, soccer kicks, I don't think it makes...
If you added those things, I think it would do two things.
It would not make the sport more exciting, but it would make it more brutal and it would probably shorten careers.
So in my opinion, it's brutal enough and there's enough technique to...
You're talking like you're on CNN. I know, but to not allow certain, like...
eddie bravo
But up kicks aren't more brutal.
bryan callen
Yeah, up kicks are a different story, actually.
eddie bravo
Okay.
bryan callen
And I also think if somebody's trying to rip your knee off and you can kick them, like, from that position, I think that's...
unidentified
Or an echo lock?
Yeah, yeah.
eddie bravo
Yeah, you could break someone's skull.
bryan callen
You should be allowed to do that.
eddie bravo
Break their brains if they got their head caught in a bad spot and you actually stomp on it 100%.
Can you imagine if Brock Lesnar gets a full...
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, listen, man.
eddie bravo
That's why you need to open mats.
No cage.
joe rogan
Exactly.
That's what's up.
unidentified
Oh, God.
eddie bravo
Rogan Fighting Championship.
joe rogan
Rogan Fighting Championship.
eddie bravo
Oh, and I also asked him about, I go, what if a fighter wants to wear spats, like, or a rash belt?
Can you wear a rash guard?
Whose decision is that?
He goes, my decision.
I go, so can I... I mean, women wear rash guards all the time, and it's never a problem in an MMA fight.
It's never like, what do we do with the women's rash guards?
We can't have them fight topless.
What are we going to do?
It's just like, you just wear a rash guard.
No big deal.
There shouldn't be...
A rule prohibiting male fighters from wearing rash guards, in my opinion.
It's not a big deal for women.
He agreed.
He said he wouldn't let anybody wear anything.
If you want to wear a gi in 1FC, you can wear a gi.
joe rogan
You can wear Aikido pants if you want in 1FC. I think you should be able to wear a gi, and I think you should have no gloves.
I think gloves, if you can knee someone in the head, elbow someone in the face, you can kick them in the head with your fucking shin.
Dude, my shin is so much less vulnerable than my hands.
Should we get rid of weight classes too?
No, but you should take away the pants.
If you're gonna have padding, we should have padding on the shins, we should have padding on the knuckles, we should have absolute padding on the heel.
Because the heel is the most dangerous, in my opinion.
Because I could wheel kick something, you could hit something really hard, and it doesn't really hurt your heel.
You punch someone in the head, you have a really good chance if you hit the forehead of breaking your hand.
I've never heard of a guy wheel kicking a guy in the head and hurting his foot.
I mean, I've hurt my foot to the point where I was limping, but I never hurt my foot.
Didn't break it.
I never broke it.
It was like owie, but that was owie off of someone's fucking head.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
You know, like the idea that you could pat up your knuckles, you don't pat up your heel.
It's crazy.
Your heel's a goddamn hammer.
I mean, what's that dude's name?
There's a dude who just fought in Bellator recently.
I'm going to pull this up because I told this kid I would give him props, but he knocked out somebody with an axe kick.
I saw that.
bryan callen
That might be the only time ever.
unidentified
It was after the main card though, right?
joe rogan
He was on either before the main card or after the main card.
brendan schaub
So there'll be the main event, and then it's over at TV, and then they'll have guys fight after.
eddie bravo
Like one or two guys fight after.
joe rogan
Okay, homeboy, his name is Alfier Davis.
Yeah, Alfie R. Davis.
Alfie R. Davis.
And he axe-kicked a dude.
He axe-kicked a dude and KO'd him.
Sweat this.
Doom!
Oh, wait a minute.
Go again.
Back it up again.
Here we go.
Watch this.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
No way!
Come on!
bryan callen
No way!
joe rogan
I told you someone was going to do that eventually.
I've seen that happen in Taekwondo.
bryan callen
I want to see it happen with front foot hook kick.
That's what I want to see.
joe rogan
I don't think that's Bellator, though.
Derek the Black Beast Lewis.
No, that wasn't.
That one wasn't.
That wasn't Bellator.
But Derek Lewis got knocked out by Sean Jordan with a front leg hook kick.
bryan callen
Get the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
Sean Jordan, who's 250 pounds, 260 probably.
Built like a brick shithouse.
Built like a human British bulldog.
But can do backflips.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, Sean Jordan hit him with a hook kick.
Front leg, Bill Wallace.
bryan callen
That's awesome.
joe rogan
Superfoot-style hook kick to the chin.
unidentified
That's awesome.
Sean Jordan was a freak.
joe rogan
He's a freak athlete.
unidentified
Here it is.
joe rogan
Here it is.
Watch this.
unidentified
Boom!
bryan callen
Oh, what?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was Derek Ballas' last loss.
Actually, it looks like he brought it from the back leg.
bryan callen
Yeah, and it looked like it was almost a sidekick, right?
unidentified
No.
bryan callen
Let's see it again.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
That's definitely a hook kick.
bryan callen
No, you're right.
joe rogan
If they show it in slow motion, you see the hooking.
unidentified
You're right.
joe rogan
It could be a shitty sidekick.
bryan callen
It might be a shitty sidekick.
joe rogan
Boom!
That's a straight-up hook kick, son.
bryan callen
That's a hook kick.
joe rogan
That's a straight-up hook kick.
Do you have a karate background?
eddie bravo
Do you know that?
Do you know if he has that karate background?
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
I mean, that's amazing!
And Derek's like, what in the fuck?!
You don't train for that as a heavyweight.
He's a crazy athlete.
Football background.
unidentified
LSU football.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was supposed to go to the NFL. Full backflip at 250 pounds.
Full backflip.
unidentified
God!
joe rogan
Flies through the air.
He built like just a troll.
He built like the thing from Fantastic Four.
bryan callen
I watched a guy.
They said he was going to UCLA as a fullback or whatever he was.
He was that big and he was dunking a basketball.
He was just standing there and just jumping up and going, I was like, what the fuck?
brendan schaub
No, Sean Jordan was supposed to go to the NFL, but he got caught with some...
joe rogan
Brazilian supplements crossing the border.
And the NFL was like, we're good.
We're all set.
Yeah, pretty sure.
unidentified
He's a freak, though.
joe rogan
You gotta send those in the mail, son.
bryan callen
Yeah, come on.
joe rogan
Does this amateur ever get a P.O. box?
You get a stuffed animal.
Put it inside the stuffed animal.
I'm sending teddy bears to a sick kid.
Have your buddies have nothing to lose.
unidentified
Put up their ass.
Come on.
joe rogan
What are you doing, bro?
Listen, if you're 32 years old and you still have student loans, it's time to become a mule.
bryan callen
Time to become a mule.
joe rogan
I hope Nate wins, man.
If one day in the future you have 100% transparency and you get to see all the crimes that are committed all across the world, how many times per day are dudes coming across the border with drugs up their ass?
bryan callen
Oh my god.
Are you kidding me?
I got them in my ass right now.
joe rogan
I've been offered a few.
What's the number though?
A hundred a day or more?
unidentified
Oh my god.
eddie bravo
Way more.
joe rogan
Thousand a day.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
unidentified
A couple dudes the other day got caught going through Kennedy, I think, with coke taped all over their body.
They just made them look faster.
Oh jeez.
joe rogan
Let's see if you can pull that up.
Let's see if you can pull that up.
Well, you can get randomly touched down, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a big risk.
Dogs, too.
Plus the...
That random.
But I think dogs can only smell one thing, and they usually use them for bombs.
bryan callen
No, because with drug dogs, though, they can smell, you know.
joe rogan
Right.
unidentified
Cocaine?
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
With drug dogs.
bryan callen
I don't know if that's true.
unidentified
Look at this.
eddie bravo
Look at this.
joe rogan
These legs.
unidentified
I'm a fucker.
joe rogan
Oh, they did a good job.
bryan callen
Dude, that's very smart, but that's big time.
joe rogan
Did a good job with the legs.
unidentified
He put that in your ass.
joe rogan
You know what he should have done?
He should have got it shaped like one of those Batman suits where all the muscles are like nice and smooth.
unidentified
He's in deep shit.
joe rogan
That's the way to do it.
bryan callen
Yeah, but he's in deep shit, man.
joe rogan
Okay, he's going to jail.
He's going to get fucked.
eddie bravo
Oh, look at that.
Vagina.
joe rogan
Cocaine and vagina.
Wow, that looks like a turkey.
That's a butterball.
That bitch has a big pussy.
Yes.
Well, I feel sick now.
Once you've had a few kids, I guess you could probably get a turkey in there.
I was cool with the ass play, but that makes me feel sick.
Have you had like six kids?
Half a pound!
Jesus Christ!
bryan callen
And her vagine.
joe rogan
How heavy is cocaine?
If you pack it tight, isn't it like a rock?
Half a pound might only be like a fist.
bryan callen
I don't know.
It looks like a big tube right there.
joe rogan
We might be giving this gal more credit than she deserves.
bryan callen
Look at the size of that fucking thing.
That thing is almost as thick as my cock.
joe rogan
That could be a pill.
Oh, look at Vitor coming out for the last time.
Maybe, what if Vitor, like, I mean, he's only got one more fight left in his contract.
He thought this was the last fight, and then he was gonna leave?
Yeah, he fucked up.
He didn't count right.
Not a good sign.
And then one of the other things he said recently that was crazy is he wants to make UFC bigger than Uber.
And everybody's like, hey, homie, Uber is crashing right now.
I don't know if you understand the amount of punishment that Uber is taking online.
They had a huge loss in the first quarter.
Uber has fallen apart.
$300 million loss in the first quarter.
All sorts of controversies attached to Uber.
eddie bravo
Like what?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
The CFO, they're finding a bunch of people.
unidentified
They're in a little bit of trouble.
bryan callen
They had some legal issues, but they'll come back.
eddie bravo
The actual idea and the service didn't work out or is it was it just bad?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I don't know what you know I looked at it peripherally like I saw like ubers in trouble again Ubers in the news president has says some shit that they've lost a lot of money and it helps lift Yeah, that Lyft is the new version, right?
That's what a lot of people use.
brendan schaub
It's like the $0.99 store for Uber.
eddie bravo
Everybody I know uses Uber, and it's awesome.
unidentified
I use it all the time.
You ever fucked up when you got Uber Pool on accident, and people showed you, and there's like six people in the car?
eddie bravo
God damn it.
You were trying to save money.
You were trying to get somebody in Uber.
joe rogan
No, I just did it on accident, because it automatically goes to it.
I'm like, where the fuck?
I'll just fucking wait.
Other people's houses first.
unidentified
Get out of here, please.
eddie bravo
I got an Uber for my friend, and he was going to my podcast, so I'm watching him from his house, and I'm watching the car do all these fucking turns.
joe rogan
What the fuck is he doing?
Yo, Vitor's crazy flexible.
He's just doing standing splits.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
He's a fucking athlete, man.
eddie bravo
Oh, my God.
unidentified
One of the greats, man.
joe rogan
If this guy never had a chemical controversy, you know, I mean, if we had a frozen time machine from 1997 on and he got it all dialed in, he'd be one of the greatest of all time.
unidentified
He's one of the ones that got caught.
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
That's what I think.
joe rogan
For sure.
But he's also an interesting case, Vitor is, in that he's had these spectacular victories and then also some really brutal defeats.
And his spectacular victories are very rare because he's a sprinter.
He attacks you and sprints at you, which a lot of people don't do.
Vitor just dings you a little bit and then he sprints.
unidentified
Back in the day.
joe rogan
It doesn't work these days, really.
Guys know it, right?
I don't know.
See, in the TRT days, it absolutely worked.
But he's also 40, right?
So it's like, man, there's something to be said for the strategy if you hurt a guy in MMA, you have little gloves on, and you just fucking swarm them.
But you're going all in.
You're pushing all your chips in.
bryan callen
You're all in.
Has he ever been down and come back?
That's the question.
Yes.
joe rogan
Anthony Rumble Johnson.
He got fucked up by Rumble Johnson in Brazil.
Rumble didn't even make 185. Rumble was way over 185. This was back when Rumble went up from 170 to 185. Didn't even make 185. Put a beating on Vitor and then ran out of gas.
He choked him out.
Vitor choked him out.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know who else choked Rumble out that people forget about?
bryan callen
Uh, yeah.
unidentified
DC did.
joe rogan
Rich Clemente, motherfucker.
unidentified
Old school.
Old school.
joe rogan
How about that?
Rich Clemente, who used to fight at 55. That was that young, dumb Rumble.
bryan callen
That's so crazy.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
You know what it was, 100%?
He cut too much weight and he couldn't sustain.
unidentified
Yeah, no shit.
bryan callen
When we did Warrior, he was walking around at 235. 235. I remember asking.
He said, you're a giant.
And I said, you're going to suck down at 170. I go, how are you going to do that?
He goes, I'll make it.
And he did.
joe rogan
Such a bad idea, man.
Well, I think that's one of the reasons why he had this bad feeling about MMA in the first place.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know when he says he doesn't like fighting MMA? Jesus Christ, you're one of the top two fucking light heavyweights on the planet.
Top two or three.
I mean, Rumble beat him.
I mean, DC beat him the last time.
bryan callen
Look at these two veterans.
joe rogan
Round one, Nate Marquardt, Vitor Belfort, 455, 454, 453, 452. Couple of Mount Rushmore fighters here.
Didn't sink earlier.
And for those who don't know, Brendan Schaub extensively trained with Nate Marquardt back in the day, and you said you never saw him lose a round.
Never.
People don't realize, right?
unidentified
You know, Vitor and Nate trained together, too.
brendan schaub
For the Rumble Johnson camp, we all flew out there to help Vitor.
So they know each other a little bit, and they're also Jesus brothers, if you don't know that.
bryan callen
Yeah, they are.
We're gonna see who Jesus likes the most in this fight.
joe rogan
Yo, Nate is looking quite thick.
bryan callen
Yes, he is.
Strong as shit.
unidentified
Nate is a freak athlete, man.
bryan callen
Yep.
unidentified
Super freak.
bryan callen
He's awesome.
joe rogan
Been fighting since he was 17. It's almost like Nate just missed the time periods.
You know?
Like, if Nate, in his prime...
Whoa, Nate is coming strong here, man.
He looks very confident.
He looks very fast, too, man.
Oh, yeah, beautiful trip.
Vitor on his back is not good.
This is not good, except against Jon Jones.
Against Jon Jones, Jon was slacking, left his arm out there, and Vitor pulled off the rare arm bar off his back.
He popped Jon's arm.
Dude, it looked like he was winning that fight.
Those aren't going to do much.
They annoy you.
Look at Vitor with the elbow from the bottom was actually very strong.
People sleep on Nate's jiu-jitsu, too.
He's a legit black belt.
Legit.
And he's a fucking strong dude, too.
And if you can hold Vitor here and beat him up.
And he's doing aggressive shit, too.
Like, he's sticking his fucking head in his face.
bryan callen
This is the old Nate, man.
brendan schaub
It's such a smart move by Nate, because Vitor, like you said, he's only dangerous in really the first round.
joe rogan
After that, he tailors off so bad.
unidentified
So for Nate, this.
joe rogan
And the second round, I bet he TKO's him.
Wow.
Especially the Vitor of today.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
His testosterone levels, he says, are super depleted and he's got a real problem.
I mean, it's a weird argument, right?
I mean, why are they depleted?
You're only 40. I don't stand him up!
That's a dominant position.
That's terrible.
unidentified
Oh, fuck you.
bryan callen
It's Brazil, bro.
We want to see people bang.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's terrible.
They're doing that because it's Brazil.
That's right.
I mean, I don't know how many warnings he gave him because we're not listening to the commentary.
Well, he's trying to move.
unidentified
Vitor's tying him up.
joe rogan
Well, you know what it looks like to me here?
It looks like Nate is super confident coming in here.
This is a Nate who knows his opponent.
And feels real good about his chances.
He looks confident.
He doesn't look tentative at all.
bryan callen
Nate knows he's...
joe rogan
Vitor just physically does not look that good.
Vitor's just waiting for that one big boom.
Look at the excess body weight around his waist and his legs look kind of...
unidentified
He's 40 though, guys.
joe rogan
How many 55 years old?
bryan callen
I'm 50 and I don't have that.
And by the way, his endocrine system is probably a little bit compromised.
joe rogan
Oh, that's what I'm saying.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
100%.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's like, oh shit, get out of there, Nate.
unidentified
Now he just dripped.
See, this way you can't.
joe rogan
Caught that one to the body.
unidentified
Way to go, ref.
joe rogan
But he caught it on his elbows.
unidentified
Fucking scrub.
joe rogan
Ooh, front leg side kick to the leg.
I love that kick.
bryan callen
It's got some tricks, kids.
joe rogan
I love that people are doing that now.
That's a legit technique.
You know, the people think that it's damaging to the knee.
unidentified
They think it's dirty.
joe rogan
What about heel hooks?
Look, it's a good technique.
If you can kick the leg, that's a good way to kick the leg.
Correct.
What are we doing here?
You could blow a guy's knee out with a regular tie kick.
eddie bravo
I can't believe that's even a debate.
joe rogan
I can't believe it is.
unidentified
People just think it's dirty.
The Jacksons can't really the ones who started it.
joe rogan
They do it brilliantly.
unidentified
Yeah, they really do.
joe rogan
And they also do that elliptical kick, which are...
What's not an elliptical kick?
What am I working on the word?
Oblique kick.
That's a beautiful kick.
That's a beautiful kick because it's weird.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Did you go to the face with that?
That's that Aurora fucking flying knee, son.
bryan callen
You calm down to my left over there, whatever your name is.
joe rogan
It's Brennan Schaub.
bryan callen
Oh, sorry.
Brennan Schaub.
joe rogan
You fought in the UFC. Vitor does not look good here.
bryan callen
I get excited.
My tests start spiking, guys, when I watch fights.
joe rogan
What about when you hear engines?
bryan callen
Never.
unidentified
No, no.
bryan callen
It goes down.
brendan schaub
If you want your testosterone to spike, and no disrespect, bring up Vitor's wife.
unidentified
Good God, God mighty.
The Brazilians know how to make a woman.
bryan callen
I thought you were going to talk about my stand-up and coming to my show.
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
Okay.
bryan callen
I don't know.
No, I don't know.
joe rogan
Is it in Irvine?
bryan callen
It's in Irvine, June 8th.
joe rogan
That was a good jab.
Nate gave him a finger like, yep, you got me there.
The one finger, not the bad finger.
bryan callen
A couple front foot leg kicks, guys.
eddie bravo
I think you said no, you didn't get me.
unidentified
Oh!
bryan callen
Jesus, Nate!
unidentified
The thing is, where do these guys go after this?
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
The winner of this...
One FC. The offer's there.
eddie bravo
Vito's gonna show up wearing a gi.
joe rogan
Vito's gonna dress like a sambal fighter with shoes on.
Combat sambal.
I love it.
They just went like, let's take this, but not this.
Let's take the shoes, but not the wrestling singlet.
Let's go with the gi, but not the pants.
Okay.
unidentified
Not the pants.
It's so weird.
joe rogan
And headgear.
We go with headgear.
Oh, bro, I forgot Vitor's at TriStar.
bryan callen
I was going to say, is that Fahas Harabi?
unidentified
Yeah, Vitor's at TriStar.
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
No, Fahas Harabi.
bryan callen
I meant that.
joe rogan
What did he say?
Fahas Harabi.
eddie bravo
That's racist, Brian.
bryan callen
Oh, it's Fahas Harabi.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Oh, damn, it's cheese is damn good, Brian Callen.
I'm sorry if I'm chewing into the microphone.
bryan callen
Yeah, I got your wine and I got your cheese.
We're going to Italy next.
You ready for Italy?
joe rogan
I'm already going.
bryan callen
No, no, you're in California, Bubba.
You're still in California.
I'm going to let Eddie finish off California a little bit.
joe rogan
I don't know.
Working on it, but not for comedy, just for hanging out.
I went to the Amalfi Coast last year.
I had a great time.
It felt real good.
Where the fuck is my cub, B? You never gave me a refill.
bryan callen
Oh, sorry, pal.
joe rogan
There's something about the way people live in other countries where they're super relaxed.
Let me tell you something, man.
I had a really interesting conversation with a cab driver.
This cab driver was driving us around.
unidentified
Who takes cabs?
joe rogan
I do.
We were in a place, and they had a cab, and we got a cab.
They have cabs there.
I don't know if they have Uber.
In Italy, if they have Uber.
Oh, word.
Here, round two.
One interesting thing the guy said, he goes, I want my children to grow up in America.
And I said, why?
And he goes, because, man, there's opportunity.
He goes, here, there's not much you can do.
He was a smart dude, and he was a cab driver.
And so we started having this kind of cool conversation, because he spoke, I believe he spoke four languages, he said.
He was a very smart guy.
bryan callen
Where was this being?
joe rogan
This was in Amalfi Coast.
bryan callen
Oh, okay, yeah.
eddie bravo
Where's that?
joe rogan
It's in Italy.
There's a place called Ravello.
Ravella?
Ravella or Velo?
bryan callen
I think it's Ravella.
joe rogan
But anyway, it's beautiful.
Gorgeous.
I mean, it's just pretty.
The beaches are nice.
The ocean's gorgeous.
And the people are just...
Awesome people.
Just so nice and friendly and interesting, but they don't have a lot of opportunity as far as like careers.
unidentified
It's more the simple life.
joe rogan
According to this guy.
I mean, if you live there- According to the cab driver?
Yeah, according to this guy.
But the cab driver was very educated.
He was a smart fucking dude.
We got super lucky.
Oh, shit.
We went there and we went to Rome.
And when we went to Rome, we had a really good guy.
Oh!
Front leg round kick!
bryan callen
Dude, this is Nate Marquardt, ladies and gentlemen.
Don't fucking sleep.
joe rogan
Oh, and he clipped him with that right hand.
bryan callen
38 years old, killing it.
joe rogan
I hope he takes him down again.
bryan callen
He looks great.
He looks fucking great.
unidentified
This line is earthy, bro.
bryan callen
It's a beautiful one, right?
joe rogan
It's super earthy.
unidentified
Is that good?
bryan callen
Do you like it?
unidentified
It's a little too earthy for me.
bryan callen
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Oh, Vitor just hit him with an uppercut.
Vitor just tagged him with a left uppercut.
unidentified
Why'd Nate shake his head?
joe rogan
Oh!
Head kick by Vitor!
Oh, the uppercuts!
unidentified
Time up, Nate, dog.
joe rogan
Yes!
No, Nate's coming back!
bryan callen
This is a fight, guys!
Holy shit, what a fight!
joe rogan
Good right hand by Nate, dog.
bryan callen
What a fight, man!
joe rogan
Is this an argument for no testing?
bryan callen
Yes, it is.
Fuck yes, it is.
And I don't care what anybody says.
joe rogan
Well, neither one of these guys are...
They're testing him, I'm kidding.
bryan callen
They're testing him, yeah.
But still, I would like to see guys who need a little help fight for longer.
unidentified
It's called the Masters Division.
joe rogan
Nate Marquardt is one of the only guys that's ever been pulled from the car.
How dare you, Jamie?
Is that real?
unidentified
How dare you?
That's horrible.
How dare you?
joe rogan
Put that back up.
unidentified
How dare you?
joe rogan
Put that back up so we can look.
unidentified
Vitor from 2012, Vitor from 2017. That's a beautiful look.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
bryan callen
I gotta get on testosterone right now.
unidentified
I think that's more than test.
bryan callen
Do whatever he's doing.
joe rogan
It's post-endocrine crash, too, on the right-hand side.
Like, a healthy-looking dude who's 40 years old on the right-hand side could be pretty jacked.
And apparently the birth flu looks terrible there.
Yeah, well, it's compromised.
His endocrine system's compromised.
But Nate is one of the only guys that's ever been pulled off of a card because he was on legal TRT, and his shit was so high.
They were like, hey, hey, hey, no!
He was supposed to be fighting Rick Story.
unidentified
Yeah, and then Charlie Brenneman went in and he beat him.
joe rogan
Charlie Brenneman beat him, yeah.
brendan schaub
To Nate's defense, I know exactly how this went down.
unidentified
The doctor, Nate didn't administer the shots himself.
joe rogan
The doctor didn't.
He's like, no, you're fine.
And Nate was like, you sure?
unidentified
And he goes, yes, and gave him the shot.
joe rogan
Yeah, he went with Dr. Feelgood.
bryan callen
Nate's looking good.
Nate's looking good, man.
joe rogan
He looks real good.
unidentified
Do you guys know he had a red beard?
Look at that.
bryan callen
Switching up.
Look at this.
unidentified
Vintage Nate, dog.
joe rogan
Yeah, Nate is switching up good, and he's also turning that left leg in good to get ready to check that kick.
He's sharp, man.
unidentified
Nate's a better wrestler.
I wish he'd do more takedowns.
joe rogan
Well, he got that one in the first round.
He got stood up.
He might be a little bit hesitant now.
bryan callen
Nate's body's looking very good.
joe rogan
We're on the poha rule plan here.
unidentified
Poha.
bryan callen
Poha.
What does that mean?
What does Poha mean?
joe rogan
It means fuck, it means balls, it means dick.
bryan callen
Hansel Grace used to always say that.
He'd always be like, Poha.
joe rogan
It's like fuck.
It's like when you say fuck.
You know, you can say fuck or you can say shit.
It's the same thing.
unidentified
Dude, do you remember when Nate Dogg fought Woodley in Strikeforce for the belt?
joe rogan
The Mortal Kombat straight up combo?
Like a Christmas tree.
That Nate Marquardt, that finish was one of the finest.
Oh, look at that big cut on Vitor.
Oh, he went with the head kick!
Oh, and again to the body!
bryan callen
Nate dog!
joe rogan
He stung him with that right hand!
bryan callen
Nate is no- Oh, he's swinging!
joe rogan
Dude, Nate looks fucking fantastic!
bryan callen
Yeah, he does.
Yeah, he does.
joe rogan
Not since the C.B. Dalloway fight as he looked as good.
And that was a one-punch knockout.
He knocked him the fuck out.
bryan callen
C.B. got crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that was way back in the day.
That's super old school.
That was at 85. Dude, I'm calling it.
brendan schaub
If he knocks out Vitor, let's bring on Anderson Spider again.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
unidentified
Let's bring it back.
joe rogan
Can you imagine?
If he looks as good as he looks here?
Dude, if he looks as good as he looks here, man, I might have to go with Nate, right?
Oh!
But listen, Vitor pulls through this.
Vitor pulls through this.
How about him versus Anderson, too?
How about that?
Anderson's not trying to have it.
How about that?
brendan schaub
Vitor's going to sail off to Ryzen and just go Bane on us.
joe rogan
Well, he's got one more fight.
But he's got one more fight in his country.
Oh, nice.
Oh, dude.
They dinged him.
They both dinged each other there.
bryan callen
These guys are a couple of ding-dings.
unidentified
Hey, man.
bryan callen
I don't know what that means.
joe rogan
That's what Barry Bonds called his dick.
Means what you want it.
bryan callen
Shit, is that what he called it?
unidentified
I love him.
joe rogan
I love him.
I call this ding-ding.
bryan callen
Enormous respect.
joe rogan
You never heard his voicemails to his side piece?
No.
He called, like, what's up, girl?
unidentified
Barry Bonds.
I know what you need.
You need some ding-ding.
joe rogan
And it was just like, it didn't help him at all.
It was just like a horrible...
Unless he's my friend, I'm hugging him.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
bryan callen
Me too.
Don't fucking go bad on him.
Don't go bad on Barry Bonds for being great, even though he took steroids and likes girls.
Hand me that knife over there.
joe rogan
He hits fucking baseballs.
unidentified
I want them on steroids.
bryan callen
Exactly.
Hand me that knife.
joe rogan
We don't want to get any victimized baseballs.
No up kicks in baseball.
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
Vitor's got a big cut.
brendan schaub
A lot of scar tissue on that, man.
unidentified
I'm sure it's pretty easy to open him up.
joe rogan
Look at some highlights.
Boom!
Clipped him with the right hook.
Nate with the high kick, too.
brendan schaub
Do you remember the story of Vitor's sister dying, man, when they took her for ransom?
joe rogan
But there's that uppercut.
Yeah, it was horrible.
unidentified
Horrible, man.
joe rogan
They took her for ransom and they killed her and lit her on fire.
God damn.
Brazil don't fuck around, do they?
unidentified
No.
bryan callen
That's the worst thing I can imagine.
joe rogan
One of the guys working for the UFC got held at gunpoint this weekend.
Really?
Yeah.
unidentified
What happened?
joe rogan
Nothing.
Gave them their money.
Was he just a production guy or what?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
God damn.
Here we go.
unidentified
Brazil's beautiful.
It's dangerous as shit.
joe rogan
Well, you know, Chicago's dangerous too, man.
Go to the wrong place in America.
If you're on the south side, yeah.
It's just as dangerous in a lot of places.
It's just, you know...
You can have crime everywhere.
unidentified
You know where it's not dangerous?
Australia.
joe rogan
Australia's beautiful.
unidentified
I'm headed there tomorrow.
joe rogan
I love it.
I love Australia.
I'm nervous as shit about it.
unidentified
Sydney?
bryan callen
Why are you nervous?
unidentified
Sydney?
I don't know.
bryan callen
Why are you nervous?
joe rogan
I never really travel, man.
unidentified
I don't travel a lot.
joe rogan
They might as well be Americans.
You know when I say Canadians are 20% less douchebags than American?
unidentified
Yeah, they're way nicer.
joe rogan
Same thing with Australia.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
They're like Canadians with a cooler accent.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I'm sold.
They're the shit.
I'd live there.
I'd live there.
It's not even America.
They drive on the left side of the road.
bryan callen
Never been there.
joe rogan
I'd live there.
How dare you not go there?
bryan callen
I know.
I've been offered.
joe rogan
You're 50. Go there.
bryan callen
I've been offered.
I just haven't gone.
joe rogan
I love it.
bryan callen
Too busy training.
joe rogan
I went to Melbourne last year, maybe a year and a half ago.
unidentified
Did you do shows out there, Joe, or no?
joe rogan
I fucking loved it, yeah.
unidentified
You did shows?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did a couple shows out there.
bryan callen
They'll love you, Brendan.
Brendan's going to be there.
He's sold out a bunch of theaters.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll love you for sure.
They're great people.
And by the way, big as the United States, same amount of people as LA. Oh, I dig that.
unidentified
The entire country.
bryan callen
I didn't know it was as big as the United States.
joe rogan
Is that big?
Contiguous, not with Alaska.
bryan callen
It's as big as the continent of the United States?
joe rogan
Wow.
And then there's nothing in the middle, right?
It's like all in the skirts.
The middle kills you.
Everything in the middle eats your ass.
unidentified
Well, eat your ass.
joe rogan
And then in the ocean is Shark City.
Yeah, the ocean is Shark City.
The water around the ocean is Crocodile City.
And you get deep inside, you got Snake City and Spider City.
They have brown snakes that kill you instantly.
bryan callen
Tiger snakes.
joe rogan
They have a bunch of spiders that kill you instantly.
And giant kangaroos.
Giant kangaroos.
bryan callen
Box jellyfish, sir.
Box jellyfish, sir.
joe rogan
They fucked you up.
brendan schaub
Some guy sent me a picture of a saltwater croc passing a great white.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
bryan callen
No, I think it was photoshopped.
joe rogan
It might not be.
They both live in the water.
This is an Australian doctor who sent me that.
Sorry, guys.
Doctors sometimes are not savvy with the internet.
They have student loans to think about.
bryan callen
They doctor photographs.
unidentified
Ah!
bryan callen
Fucking, I'm on fire tonight.
eddie bravo
You should get in the comments.
unidentified
I'll leave.
eddie bravo
He's not a professional.
joe rogan
Mate, Markhart with a fucking inside kick.
These guys are red.
bryan callen
How do you call this fight right now?
unidentified
Nate needs to finish him.
joe rogan
These guys are bruised up.
unidentified
Because Brazil don't fuck around.
bryan callen
In Brazil, Brazil, Nate is looking great.
joe rogan
Well, Vitor's a legend.
So he's already up two rounds.
unidentified
You know what, man?
joe rogan
Nate looks super strong in this fight.
unidentified
Yeah, he does.
joe rogan
His back is looking swole.
I mean, like, super strong technique.
unidentified
Ooh!
joe rogan
The high kick again.
bryan callen
That's got to...
unidentified
His defense looking good, too.
joe rogan
Well, he looks, like, healthy.
bryan callen
He's also not tired at all.
joe rogan
Yeah, he looks healthy, right?
I think also a big thing for Nate was going up to 185 improved his chimp.
It improved his vitality.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
I just think being at 170, he was so depleted.
unidentified
Yeah, he was a big-ass 7-er.
joe rogan
Oh, he's huge!
He's so big!
He's still walking around at 205. Nate is so strong, man.
Freak strong.
Oh, man, he just clipped Vitor.
Did he catch him with that left hook?
Did it graze him?
unidentified
Graze him.
It looked like he grazed him.
joe rogan
This is an interesting fight, man.
Because I think both of these guys are kind of at the end of their UFC rope, right?
Arguably.
Oh, Vitor tagged him.
Both of them are in the back nine.
bryan callen
Both look great.
joe rogan
But they're both, like, if you didn't know that and you saw this, well, Vitor, you would tell kind of by his body.
He'd be like, something's going on.
He's a legend, though, so you put up with the body fat?
Yeah, well, it's not just the body fat.
There's a looseness to him.
Oh, yeah, I kicked him with the left.
Because he had a bunch of muscle down there that just went away.
Oh, dude, he had so much more meat.
It's all gone.
He was so meaty.
But his technique is still really good.
unidentified
Oh, my God, he's such a freak.
bryan callen
Oh, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
He caught that on the elbow.
brendan schaub
People forget Vitor's one of the best athletes ever.
joe rogan
Ever come in the octagon.
unidentified
Come on, man.
joe rogan
Take all the steroid shit out.
The guy doesn't throw a wheel kick at all until he fights Luke Rockhold.
Throws one and misses and throws another one and KOs him.
bryan callen
Oh, boy.
Nate got hurt there.
He got tagged.
joe rogan
Well, he went looking for that takedown.
Oh, look at that.
Beautiful jab, man.
bryan callen
That's what I call an educated jab, guys.
joe rogan
Oh, but that left high kick is strong.
And Nate keeps moving to his right.
Yeah, you could block that all day, dude.
This shit's gonna fuck your arms up.
unidentified
I'll tell you what's weird.
Nate was at TriStar with GSP forever.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
He dinged him with that head kick.
unidentified
So I'm wondering if Feras really helped Vitor with his game plan.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
He knows something.
unidentified
Fucking traitor.
joe rogan
He knows something about him.
unidentified
Fucking traitor.
joe rogan
I can't believe what you're saying.
unidentified
I'm just kidding.
joe rogan
I love you, Feras.
Look at that right...
unidentified
Traitor.
joe rogan
When they show Nate's right side, like, look how red his fucking arm is.
unidentified
He's also pale as fuck.
joe rogan
I know, but that's why you can see the impact.
Like, when you have a super white boy, you get to see, like, where he's been getting scratched up and dinged up.
Super white boy?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
How long was Vitor with Feras?
unidentified
Just this camp.
joe rogan
Look at all the redness all over Nate's arm.
unidentified
Vitor's been known to jump around camps.
That's kind of his thing.
joe rogan
Well, sort of, but I mean, not that much.
I mean, a lot of guys have jumped around more than him.
bryan callen
Flying knee from Nate Marquardt, ladies and gentlemen.
unidentified
Damn, that's tough in Brazil.
joe rogan
They're probably gonna get the fucking V2. What a great fight, though.
Nate won round one and two.
It's a great fight.
bryan callen
I think so.
brendan schaub
I mean, I'm balls deep in cheese and half a glass of wine, but from my perspective, one and two.
eddie bravo
Is there any more cheese?
joe rogan
I'm time traveling from that weed.
unidentified
That goddamn L.A. speed weed.
joe rogan
What did I say it was?
Bamboo leaves or something like that?
They wrapped these blunts with?
With bamboo now?
Something like that.
Panda style?
Yeah.
Something koala bear style.
That's a beautiful inside trap.
Koalas don't fuck with bamboo, man.
unidentified
They didn't have that wrap that's already dipped in stuff, was it?
joe rogan
No, no, it's not a...
unidentified
I saw some of this at the store the other day.
It's already got shit on it.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
The real interesting thing, if you're gonna go blunt, you really should go Charlie Murphy style, which is where you take a Swisher Sweets, you take the weed and you put it inside, take the tobacco out, and so then you're getting the harshness of the tobacco and you get that weird tobacco buzz from the outside.
That weird nicotine buzz.
I like a nicotine buzz every now and then, man.
I've smoked a couple of cigarettes before I've done it.
Yeah.
Only a few times, but I've smoked a couple of cigarettes before I've gone on stage before.
Really?
unidentified
Smoked cigarettes?
bryan callen
This was a great fight, man.
joe rogan
What's that?
With Donald Cerrone?
Oh, yeah.
I ate some dip.
unidentified
Oh, fuck that.
joe rogan
I swallowed some dip.
I can't believe you smoked cigarettes.
What's wrong with this?
eddie bravo
Every now and then.
bryan callen
I say Nate's got it, but I hate Brazil.
joe rogan
Nate should win 2-1.
bryan callen
It's Brazil, though.
joe rogan
29-28.
eddie bravo
Brazil?
joe rogan
But do they have the same judges?
Split decision.
Let's see what we got here.
All three.
unidentified
It's Vitor.
joe rogan
The piece of shit Brazil, man.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck you.
unidentified
Oh, come on.
joe rogan
Damn.
Yeah, it's Brazil.
It's Brazil.
Damn.
bryan callen
It's Brazil.
joe rogan
You gotta figure it out.
Just by going to Brazil, you lose a round.
I guess.
I don't know.
Good fight, though.
unidentified
Those are terrible jerseys to say.
bryan callen
Great fight, though.
eddie bravo
It was a great fight.
He definitely won that last round.
Yeah, he won two to one.
joe rogan
I gave him two to one.
eddie bravo
So you thought Vitor won two?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Hell no.
Nate won one and two, and then Vitor won the third.
unidentified
That's the only round Vitor did anything.
brendan schaub
Again, I've ate a shitload of provolone, I've had some wine, and a latte.
joe rogan
I watched some good moments in the fight by Vitor, and I thought I saw a few more good moments by Nate, but I was in no means judging the fight.
By no means.
Powerful Bryan Stan with a pink tie.
Confident, gentlemen.
eddie bravo
It's no big deal, you know, even if he...
Those first two...
He did lose the first round kind of big, right?
Because he got taken down.
joe rogan
Yeah, and outstruck.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
It was all about that second round.
joe rogan
Is Brazil going with the new rules?
They do whatever the fuck they want.
But do they have the new rules as far as judging and everything like that?
I don't think so.
bryan callen
He's such a classy man.
joe rogan
Texas doesn't accept those rules yet.
It's like Brazil's the Wild West and New York.
That's it.
Everyone else, they follow the rules.
Well, New York is just juvenile.
brendan schaub
New York, they're just morons.
bryan callen
Oh, let me hear what he's saying here.
joe rogan
What it is is they just don't have a lot of experience.
New York State has only had MMA for a year or so.
So they're just going through growing pains.
I feel like that's what's going on with New York.
When I say juvenile, I don't mean they're childish.
brendan schaub
No, they haven't had a while, but the mistakes they're making, I mean, you're talking extreme mistakes.
joe rogan
Right, but who made that mistake?
It was Dan Mergliata.
Dan Mergliata is a super experienced referee.
The guy who made the mistake in the Mousasi...
Mergliata?
unidentified
Was it Mergliata or Herb?
joe rogan
I thought it was Herb Dean.
Which one was Mergliata?
Which one was the Musasi fight?
Was that Herb Dean?
unidentified
No, Herb Dean, I thought.
joe rogan
Okay, then the Mergliata fight was...
There was another one that was in New York.
Was it Weidman?
Which one was Weidman and Musasi?
I thought it was Herb Dean.
Weidman was Herb Dean.
I thought Herb Dean was both.
Right.
That was that one, but there was one with Mergliata recently.
Either way, the point being, both Mergliata and Herb Dean are excellent refs.
And, you know, shit goes wrong, man.
unidentified
Herb been fucking up lately, though.
He's my favorite ref.
eddie bravo
Been fucking up a little bit.
joe rogan
A lot of people have been saying that.
I'm not going with that.
unidentified
Well, I mean, it's just...
eddie bravo
You're gonna fuck up every now and then.
You're gonna fuck up.
You really can, as a ref.
unidentified
I fuck up.
eddie bravo
I fuck up, and it's submission only, and I fuck up every now and then.
I've done maybe two or three big fuck ups.
unidentified
Herb Dean's fucking done a million fights.
joe rogan
You're live, man.
How can you not fuck up?
bryan callen
That kind of speed.
joe rogan
Sometimes I think I'm saying, like, Vitor, but I'm really saying Nate.
Like, I'll fucking, I'll have it in my head, cross-crossed, because what I'm trying is just, I'm trying to pay attention, and I'm all trying to talk at the same, no, it's not the weed.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
No, because I'm doing, here's a fact.
I don't do the UFC high.
Ever.
Ever.
I did like too high.
Ever.
I didn't like it.
Like back in the day?
Way back in the day.
Like 2002 or something like that.
But I don't do them high.
Because I don't want to ever have the urge to talk about some shit non-fight related.
Because that's what this is.
This Fight Companion podcast shows the whole reason why I should never do weed.
What is that?
What are you watching?
unidentified
That's Margulada there.
That's the Weidman-Mussassi fight.
joe rogan
Okay, so I was right.
So Weidman versus Mussassi was Dan Mergliata.
The other one that was similar, there was another one that was similar, that was Herb Dean, that was a recent knee foul as well.
What was the fight?
People on the line right now are going crazy.
Oh no, it's Eddie Alvarez and Poirier.
Yes, thank you very much.
God, my fucking brain.
C.T., fuck you.
unidentified
Beautiful.
joe rogan
Yes, thank you.
Beautiful.
Thank you.
unidentified
Strong man.
bryan callen
I'm top on that.
joe rogan
That's a perfect example of two guys that I respect super.
If you had to give me a list of top five best referees on the planet Earth, Dan Mergliata and Herb Dean are both on that list.
And they both made errors.
John McCarthy's numero uno, though.
He's number one.
He's the gold standard.
And by the way, John McCarthy?
You ever seen him fuck up, though?
Yes.
Not like this!
Oh, sure he did, but Murillo Bustamante versus Matt Lindley.
Oh, in 1918. Yeah, he fucked up.
He tapped him.
Murillo tapped him, and then they restarted the fight and did it again.
Look, he's the gold standard because of his experience, and that was a mistake.
It was just experience.
That was a while ago.
Currently, though, he hasn't fucked up.
I feel like he's the best.
I feel like Big John's the best, but I feel like...
unidentified
Number one by far.
joe rogan
You know, here's another one that doesn't get enough credit because he went to the pokey, Josh Rosenthal.
unidentified
He's the...
I agree!
joe rogan
Josh Rosenthal's a beast.
Outstanding referee.
bryan callen
He's out by now.
joe rogan
He's out.
bryan callen
But he never got to the pokey for weed.
joe rogan
Yes.
unidentified
Someone snitched on him.
A couple of little AK-47s.
bryan callen
I spoke to him right before he went in.
He's also a brown belt in jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
I think he might be black by now.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
But, uh...
bryan callen
What's he doing?
I might be wrong about that.
joe rogan
He's out now, he's refereeing again, he did some King of the Cages and shit, but here's the deal.
As a referee, excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent referee.
He's one of my favorites.
Yeah, and also, like, super, like, out of the picture.
Like, you don't even know he's there.
brendan schaub
So is homeboy with the Yosemite Sam mustache.
eddie bravo
Yeah, Mike Beltran.
joe rogan
Mike Beltran, outstanding.
Don't sleep on Beltran.
Beltran.
Beltran's in my top ten in the world too.
eddie bravo
He's one of the smartest, I've deal with a lot of people in the industry over the years, he's one of the smartest dudes that I've ever met.
joe rogan
And Mike is a fucking great human being.
eddie bravo
A great human being.
unidentified
Why the hell is he so nice?
bryan callen
Beltran?
joe rogan
He's the nicest guy ever.
Gotta be nice when you have a mustache like that.
bryan callen
By the way, a lot of people don't know, you know he was a cock.
joe rogan
And you're a mongol.
bryan callen
He was like an undercover I think an undercover special detective or something.
joe rogan
I think you might want to look at your phone before you talk about it.
bryan callen
No, no, no.
Mike Beltran.
joe rogan
Can we research that?
bryan callen
Mike Beltran was an undercover...
You know what I love about talent?
I probably shouldn't say that.
joe rogan
If he's not sure, he will double down.
bryan callen
No, no, no.
Actually, I shouldn't be talking about it.
joe rogan
Well, it's too late, you fuck.
You just ratted him out.
eddie bravo
Now he's gonna die.
joe rogan
If you think you shouldn't have been talking about it, what you should do is not...
bryan callen
I didn't know that, but I just gotta look at fucking anything.
unidentified
No, he's writing a book, I think, about his experience.
bryan callen
Eddie, I think he's gonna write a book.
I think he's gonna write a book about his...
joe rogan
Is someone going into the Hall of Fame?
Is Takaraba going into the Hall of Fame?
eddie bravo
Okay, if he's writing a book then, okay.
bryan callen
He was not just a ref, guys.
unidentified
Into the UFC Hall of Fame?
joe rogan
Hey, this is Sakuraba going to the Hall of Fame.
unidentified
Well, fuck you commentate on it.
joe rogan
I come in straight from yoga to do these fucking UFC things.
I look so fucked up.
I look greasy.
I have red marks all over my face and head.
unidentified
Hot yoga, bro.
Hot yoga.
joe rogan
I'll sweat for the next two days.
But I just looked at myself.
I'm like, they could only use a couple seconds of video of me.
I look like a wino.
Look at Don Fry.
bryan callen
I love Sakuraba.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
unidentified
Sakuraba.
joe rogan
Sakuraba in the UFC Hall of Fame?
bryan callen
The greatest.
unidentified
That's what they're doing?
joe rogan
I think that's what this is.
bryan callen
MMA Hall of Fame.
unidentified
Does that make sense?
bryan callen
He'd wear shirts that said water on him.
joe rogan
He fought in the UFC. And also because the UFC owns Pride.
It's a legit...
Oh, so we let Pride guys in now?
100%.
They should let Fedor in.
unidentified
Fedor, Wanderlei, Cro Cop, Barnett.
joe rogan
Wanderlei should be in, but Wanderlei's got that issue.
eddie bravo
He landed a turning sidekick on Vitor that put him down on the ground.
unidentified
Yeah, he did.
joe rogan
Remember this with Hoyler?
Hoyler didn't tap, and they stopped the fight anyway.
And he's like, no, no, no, I didn't tap.
bryan callen
Sakuraba broke Enzo Gracie's arm.
Enzo has a picture of that in his...
joe rogan
He broke Enzo's arm, but with Hoyler, Hoyler just didn't tap.
And Hoyler was like, I'm fine, man.
Like, yeah, I'm getting my arm chewed up.
But, like, look, for Hoyler, that proved to be the case in your fight, Eddie.
Because when you had that grappling match, you fucked his leg up.
I remember watching that from the sidelines, and I was like, this shit is so over.
He's gotta tap.
He just let his knee get mangled.
unidentified
Or is he that flexible?
joe rogan
Dude, there's no way he could be that flexible.
He's just tough as shit.
bryan callen
I love Hensel.
joe rogan
He's just tough as shit.
He dealt with it.
He dealt with getting his knee torn apart.
unidentified
Hensel watched his own thing.
bryan callen
Henson refused to tap.
Watch this, watch this.
He just watches his own fucking arm break.
He will not tap.
joe rogan
I'm eating this cheese like I'm on Naked and Afraid.
bryan callen
I love him.
joe rogan
Naked and Afraid doesn't have one of those cheese.
I love him.
unidentified
Naked and Afraid doesn't have one of those cheese.
eddie bravo
Shatri wants me to do a...
You know how Tonin did a super match with Miyoki?
You see that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Shatri wants me to have one against Sakuraba.
joe rogan
How'd he do it?
Are you gonna do it?
How's your back?
eddie bravo
Dude, I don't know, man.
My back is not 100% yet.
unidentified
How's your back for $100,000?
joe rogan
Are they offering you serious cheese?
eddie bravo
How's your back for $100,000 on a wheel of cheese?
joe rogan
First of all, I want you to shut the fuck up because I'm negotiating for them.
We're not starting at $100,000.
At least $100,000 and some cheese, bro.
And all this shit you can do.
eddie bravo
A wheel of cheese.
joe rogan
We're talking about shekels.
We're not even talking about dollars.
eddie bravo
Couple things.
unidentified
Shekels.
eddie bravo
Still haven't recovered from my back surgery, one.
Two, I'm trying to find out if I might need surgery on my shoulder.
I'm not sure.
I've been doing that hanging therapy.
I don't know, man.
Did you have an MRI right now?
Not yet, but based on those videos that I'm watching about the hanging, if you have any kind of tears, if you hang, eventually it'll fix it up.
That's what I'm hearing.
Is that wrong?
joe rogan
Impingements.
What it is, is one of the things that happens with people with shoulder injuries is you get a lot of pain from impingements.
It means your mobility is impaired because you get tears and damage, and then your shoulder sort of like gets scar tissue.
It never increases its mobility.
It never regains its mobility.
And one of the best ways to regain your mobility, get on a chin-up bar and fucking hang.
Just hang.
And I hang every day.
Every day.
It's one of the main things I do.
There's two main things I do.
eddie bravo
How long do you do it for?
joe rogan
Two minutes.
But I'll start out with 30 seconds, just loosen up, get my hands loosened up, and then I let it go.
And then sometimes I'll go into a minute and a half, and sometimes I'll go into two minutes.
But I take my iPhone, I put it on, I hit the stopwatch, and then I hang.
And you know one of the reasons why I did it?
First of all, because it's really good for your shoulders, but two, because we did Fear Factor, and we had men and women hanging.
And the women all won.
The men couldn't hang.
Because they were lighter?
Yes, because the men are too heavy, and they couldn't hold their weight up.
Because if you're a man, even if you have stronger hands and stronger muscles, the amount more that you weigh against a 130-pound woman...
You know, most guys are weak in that regard.
And most primates, that's one of the things about the shoulder, like our shoulders came from primates.
So the premise behind this hanging is that some of the lack of mobility and impingements and problems that we have with our shoulder joint is simply from a lack of your shoulder articulating correctly and stretching out.
Doing range of motion things, like I do a lot of kettlebell shield casts, not a kettlebell, but a club.
I do these shield casts, which are really big, so these big movements.
bryan callen
In case you've got to wield a sword.
joe rogan
I saw Wonder Woman, bro.
bryan callen
It was strong.
joe rogan
Another thing I do that I really recommend is bottoms-up kettlebells, where you put the kettlebell upside down.
You're dropping serious knowledge right now.
You're working on some serious stability.
This is only 40 pounds, but it's very difficult to do like that.
unidentified
Could you do that, Brian?
joe rogan
I don't know.
bryan callen
That's pretty impressive.
unidentified
Let me see Brian try that.
joe rogan
Well, I could do it now at 70. I want to see Brian.
I started out.
unidentified
Brian, get on there.
bryan callen
Can I bring you to Italy for a second and pour you a little wine, then I'll show you how I do that.
eddie bravo
And that shoulder was fucked before?
joe rogan
Yes.
eddie bravo
It was.
joe rogan
Yes.
That shoulder, I had stem cell shots shot into there.
eddie bravo
And now you're on favor already.
joe rogan
Your shoulder's jacked, son.
The shoulder, I'm pulling back.
I shot...
Maybe 80 arrows today with an 86 combo.
eddie bravo
Can we look at Brian?
unidentified
Put this up.
joe rogan
He almost broke your mic.
Look at that!
He did it!
He did it, ladies and gentlemen.
bryan callen
But it's hard to balance.
I've never done that.
joe rogan
Well, that's really good.
It's really good for shoulder stability.
You should start off light if anybody's doing it.
And I recommend no more than five repetitions.
I believe in that for weightlifting.
I believe in no more than five repetitions.
And I think Really?
Yeah, your cardio and your endurance should be done doing other things.
Either skill work, like martial arts, whether it's jiu-jitsu or kickboxing, or strength and conditioning work, like running stairs and shit like that.
Fucking 12 reps, son.
eddie bravo
Wait a minute, you mean five reps?
joe rogan
Five reps as...
unidentified
I don't think so, son.
You won't have a lift-off, bro.
bryan callen
Nobody's stronger than Brandon Schaub.
joe rogan
Well, you're 250 pounds.
bryan callen
No, no, no.
unidentified
If you were my size, I'd make you look gross if you took your shirt off.
No, no, no.
bryan callen
I don't think so.
Sir, Schaub reps with 600 pounds.
Nope, I'm not done.
eddie bravo
I'm sure he does.
bryan callen
I'm not done, sir.
joe rogan
He's my hype man.
bryan callen
He reps with 600 pounds.
joe rogan
Deadlift.
Deadlift with 600 pounds that impresses me?
Those fuck movements.
bryan callen
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Yes, the powerful.
That's the best move for a dude on Instagram.
You got 600 pounds on a barbell.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
And you're sitting there doing this shit.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
So even big girls like this motherfucker will let me get on top.
bryan callen
They're stronger than their shock strong.
You've been lifting since you were, what, fourth grade?
unidentified
Fifth grade.
bryan callen
It's got some density.
eddie bravo
Damn, I had a shoulder question.
joe rogan
Oh, what was it?
unidentified
Sorry.
eddie bravo
Fuck.
unidentified
Just take that goddamn fight.
eddie bravo
Okay, sure.
bryan callen
I like this, though.
joe rogan
No, but, yeah, well, the thing about the bottoms-up kettlebells is they say you should be able to do 90% of what you can do normally.
Most people can't.
Like, 99% can't.
But they say if you have a real stable joint, what's going to hold you back is not strength, it's the stabilizing muscles.
Right.
Stabilizing muscles are the ones that oftentimes cause issues with your range of motion and with using it in terms of functional strength, like using it for martial arts or using it for anything where you would be using...
I guess I would even think sports, like throwing things.
I mean, I would think that shoulder stability is super important.
eddie bravo
I remember what I was going to ask you.
When you say no more than five reps, do you mean use the amount of weight where you fail at five reps?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
eddie bravo
Or just regular...
joe rogan
I've been following this Pavel Satsulin regimen.
And he created...
He's like the godfather of kettlebells in the United States.
He's the guy that came over from Russia.
He's got a ton of books out and videos.
And his belief is that strength is a skill.
And that you should never do a skill when you're tired.
And so the idea, and if I'm paraphrasing and fucking this up, please, I apologize.
But the principle behind it I know of, and the principle is that, like, say if you can lift something, and you get to, like, seven, eight reps, and you get to the eighth rep, and you're like, And they're like, keep going, keep going.
He's like, you should never do that.
Because you get the strength from doing the amount of repetitions.
Like, say, if you do five reps, if you could do ten, do five, but then wait a long time.
Wait like ten minutes.
eddie bravo
That sounds too good to be true.
joe rogan
Wait another ten minutes.
Then do another five.
unidentified
A lot of people would beg to differ, right, Joe?
You're right.
joe rogan
A ton of people, including myself.
A lot of people would.
But I guarantee you, if you had Pavel on, you should listen to Pavel on Tim Ferriss' podcast.
unidentified
It's fucking amazing.
eddie bravo
So you do a little bit every day.
It's kind of like you do a...
joe rogan
Yes, exactly.
You don't think you should mix it up?
You can.
You can do that, too.
But I'm telling you, one of the good things about this is you have people that get injured less because your muscles are never working, like, fully fatigued.
They're never working to the point of failure.
But you're still lifting heavy weight.
But you're lifting, say, if you could lift something and you could do ten repetitions, don't do ten.
Do five.
Do five, put it down, take a big, long break.
eddie bravo
That sounds like Homer Simpson workout.
joe rogan
But it's not endurance work.
You're doing the same number of reps.
The problem is it takes longer.
Like, you would need to be at the gym for an hour and a half versus 40 minutes and we just burnt it out.
eddie bravo
That's even better.
That means I'm on the internet longer.
joe rogan
There's some benefits to it.
I think there's some real benefits to it.
brendan schaub
I don't think doing that all the time knows the answer.
joe rogan
Maybe.
I would love to have you sit down.
You should have him on your show, man.
The guy's in California.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
He's a wizard and he speaks perfect English.
He's a wizard, dude.
eddie bravo
Might change your shit.
joe rogan
I think the three of us should do it because you're a fan and he's a fan.
Yes, we should do it.
I'll do it.
I'll do it with you guys.
unidentified
Let's do it.
joe rogan
We could even have him in here.
One of the things that that guy brought to the United States is not just the kettlebell, but also some serious fucking bodyweight exercises, and then some movements that now have become really standard.
Brian Count's pouring me from...
Are you going to Italy?
We in Italy right now?
unidentified
Now we're in Italy?
bryan callen
Now we're going to Italy.
It's 2008. I want you to take your time with that.
We're in Italy too.
unidentified
I need a fruit.
bryan callen
You need a fruit.
I'm going to eat your fruit.
unidentified
He's too earthy.
bryan callen
He's going to like my Italy.
This is Via Veneta.
joe rogan
I'm sure I do.
But what I was going to say is that Turkish Getup, which is a big one of his.
It's huge.
Yes.
Turkish Getup is so big.
There's Pavel.
The dude's a stud.
By the way, always wear sweatpants.
bryan callen
Hey, bring Schaub up doing a Turkish Getup with 145, please.
Just bring him up.
unidentified
Oh, it's ridiculous.
bryan callen
Isn't that ridiculous?
joe rogan
But it was with a bar, which is even more impressive.
bryan callen
And then he did 200 pounds.
Didn't you do 225?
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's not like Homeboy did.
You did a 225 pound Turkish gun with one arm?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
The technique's awful.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
The technique is awful.
bryan callen
It's not that awful, dude.
joe rogan
You've been begging for a blown disc, but that's still super impressive.
bryan callen
225 he did.
joe rogan
225 with one arm?
bryan callen
That's how strong he is.
They're stronger than the shop.
I told you.
Hold on.
I'm going to fruit you up.
You want to go to California?
You want to stay in California?
joe rogan
You don't like traveling, Bob?
Look at this.
How much weight is this?
unidentified
That right there is 145. That's 155. 155. Look at him.
He's a fucking beast, and he did it with 225. That is redonkulous.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is redonkulous.
The technique shit, though.
But it doesn't matter, man.
Like, the point is that you have that kind of core power that you can get up from your feet, and how applicable is that to grappling?
So one of the most applicable, like, in terms of, like, functional strength, Turkish get-up is one of the most applicable, because if you can fucking lie on your back and press something, and then sit up with that fucker overhead...
brendan schaub
Well, that was my move, if you remember, like, with Roy, as soon as the arm would pass him, so I can try it, just...
joe rogan
Oh, so strong.
bryan callen
If you have a strength...
joe rogan
Strong Turkish get-up.
Yeah, strong Turkish get-up, man.
It's like one of the most, for jujitsu especially, one of the most applicable movements.
Claudia Gedalia versus Karolina Kevalkovich.
She's got Jacksons now.
Claudia changed camps to Jacksons.
bryan callen
She's got some traps on her.
joe rogan
And she's got that dude, not Greg Jackson, who's the old guy that's her main coach.
Oh, fuck!
Oh my god.
The forgotten man in New Mexico.
Oh my god!
I can't believe I can't remember.
He was part of Jackson Wink.
He left.
brendan schaub
He's really close with Keith Jardine and Rashad.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
And he's on the wall.
He's like a New Mexico MMA legend.
He's a cop.
No, not Steven Seagal, you son of a bitch.
unidentified
God damn it.
joe rogan
He's a cop, too.
Steve Luttrell.
unidentified
Luttrell.
joe rogan
No.
eddie bravo
Luttrell.
joe rogan
Yeah, but not Steve.
unidentified
It's not Steve.
It's something Luttrell, though.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Tim?
No.
eddie bravo
God.
unidentified
No, Tom.
joe rogan
Thank God I remembered that.
eddie bravo
Luttrell?
joe rogan
Luttrell something.
unidentified
Luttrell.
bryan callen
She's adorable, by the way.
unidentified
Look at her.
eddie bravo
She's just leaning on the cage.
bryan callen
She's adorable.
eddie bravo
What guy leans on the cage like that?
bryan callen
Papa, you want to stay in California or you want to go to Italy with me?
eddie bravo
Let's go.
joe rogan
Look how happy she is.
bryan callen
You're coming to Italy.
joe rogan
What's that?
unidentified
Chris.
joe rogan
Oh, very strong.
Brandon's shot proving CTE can be overcome.
eddie bravo
Thanks to Alpha Brain.
joe rogan
Thanks to Alpha Brain and some coffee and some wine.
bryan callen
Get on, guys.
10% off.
unidentified
Did you see that article, Shob, about that Jermichael Finley had about CTE? No.
It's really good.
He wrote it on the Players' Tribune.
Oh, really?
He did a bunch of, like, mental work with it.
I'll link it on here.
Yeah, please do.
bryan callen
Jamie, Jamie, you want to come to Italy via Veneto with me?
unidentified
Yeah, let me finish this.
California.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
Claudia is by far the best.
150-pound girl in the world not named Ioana.
She's so fucking good.
She's pretty bodied up.
bryan callen
She's very, very trapped up.
unidentified
She's a cutie.
joe rogan
She looks like a little Brazilian pit bull to me.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
Like one of those cute ones, though.
That's six-pack, son.
bryan callen
That's it.
joe rogan
Come on.
eddie bravo
She's gangster.
She wants to do EVI, too.
Depending on how this fight ends, if she comes out not injured.
unidentified
Three times, she's a world champion.
eddie bravo
Yeah, she's down.
bryan callen
Hell of an athlete.
eddie bravo
She's gangster.
joe rogan
Oh, Mario with the heart still.
bryan callen
Why does he do that heart thing?
joe rogan
Because he really loves emojis, but he can't bring one into the octagon with him.
bryan callen
Look at Claudia Cadella relaxed as fuck.
joe rogan
That's Karolina Kivalkovic, you son of a bitch.
bryan callen
Whatever her name is.
That's what I meant.
She's my girlfriend.
joe rogan
That's Claudia Cadella.
bryan callen
I know.
I know that.
I just love Poland.
I love her.
I think she's gorgeous.
unidentified
She's a beast.
They're both super beasts.
bryan callen
Sexy is what she is.
joe rogan
And let's see if she gets the rub.
She went five hard rounds with Joanna.
Let's see how she comes back.
eddie bravo
Oh!
joe rogan
Clean right hand.
bryan callen
The Poles have been through the worst.
They're history.
They're not like, fuck, Octagon?
I went through World War I and II, motherfuckers.
unidentified
Yeah, she did it, but I hear you.
bryan callen
They don't fuck around.
joe rogan
They're eating munitions with their breakfast.
bryan callen
They suffered terribly in both wars.
Fighting's nothing.
You saw Wonder Woman, our girl Patty Jenkins, by the way, number one, I think it's going to be the biggest gross movie for a woman.
I'm proud of her.
joe rogan
I love her.
It's a good fucking movie.
I heard it's really good.
unidentified
I heard it's good.
joe rogan
If you like superhero movies, and I love superhero movies, it's a good fucking superhero movie.
That's what everyone says.
Look, when you make a superhero movie, you're confined.
You have to make a movie about a superhero, and the good guy has to win, and you know that going in.
bryan callen
She dealt with all that, and she did it on her own terms.
unidentified
It's not about man or woman.
eddie bravo
It's about a hero.
bryan callen
It's about Patty Jenkins.
joe rogan
It's about the dude...
I don't want to spoil it.
I almost spoiled it.
eddie bravo
Don't spoil it.
bryan callen
Wonder Woman.
unidentified
Wonder Woman.
bryan callen
Our girl, Patty Jenkins.
joe rogan
I enjoyed the fuck out of it.
Is it rated R? You know what I hear is good?
It's on iTunes now.
It's that movie Life.
That Ryan Reynolds movie.
People keep telling me they're going to see that movie.
unidentified
I haven't seen it.
bryan callen
Chris Pine is hilarious in Wonder Woman, though, right?
I love that guy.
joe rogan
You know what I did today?
I get a bad father of the year award.
I let my nine-year-old watch the original Alien.
She's scared of shit?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
She thinks it was cheesy?
She's so gangster.
bryan callen
I think it's fine.
unidentified
She's so gangster.
joe rogan
She's like, it's not real, Daddy.
If it was a real thing, I'd be scared of it, but I'm not scared.
unidentified
Legit point, kid.
bryan callen
I love it.
joe rogan
Kids, man, they have iPads.
They get online when you're not looking.
bryan callen
They can see all kinds of shit.
joe rogan
An avatar fucks things up.
Everyone looks like shit next to that.
They know things.
bryan callen
My daughter used the name asshole today, and I had to scold her.
Oh, you should let her go.
joe rogan
She said, you're right, but don't tell anybody.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
But the thing about the alien movie is that there's no CGI. It's a puppet, right?
No, it's a dude in a suit, so it looks real as fuck.
That movie was done so well.
Ridley Scott was a wizard.
Yes, he did.
They did everything in the dark.
Everything was like real sneaky.
You only saw the alien for like quick bursts of stuff.
It's just like American Werewolf in London with John Landis.
You see it in like...
unidentified
Ooh!
eddie bravo
She got her down.
unidentified
She's in trouble now.
joe rogan
Side control!
unidentified
Did you see the new alien?
joe rogan
I did not see it yet.
Bro, you gotta see it.
I know I do.
eddie bravo
That alien is so gangster in it.
joe rogan
I'm having a hard time getting people to go.
No one in my household is capable.
My wife said I could let her watch the original alien on TV, but I can't take her to the movies.
To see the new alien.
unidentified
So you gotta wait till it comes out and demand.
eddie bravo
The wife makes the rules, man.
unidentified
She makes the rules!
eddie bravo
That's what I was trying to keep for my son.
We were trying to keep...
He farts all the time, but we were trying to keep it toot.
We didn't want him, you know...
unidentified
He keeps farting?
eddie bravo
My wife thought fart was a bad...
So we were trying to keep it toot.
Don't toot.
Oh, we got roasted in school.
joe rogan
Oh, under the chin!
Out of the chin!
bryan callen
Oh no, not under the chin!
unidentified
Oh no, she got her.
eddie bravo
It's a chin, but she got her.
joe rogan
Oh no, she's the best in the world.
unidentified
Oh!
bryan callen
First round.
joe rogan
Damn it.
bryan callen
Damn it.
unidentified
Woo!
bryan callen
That was a big mistake.
joe rogan
That's a huge victory for her, man.
Huge victory for her.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Powerful New Mexico in the house.
unidentified
Here's the question, Joe.
brendan schaub
Do you give her the three-peat against Ioana?
joe rogan
Yes!
Rose is supposed to be next, though.
Bullshit!
bryan callen
Dude, that was a crazy...
joe rogan
I go MMA math on that one.
Rose lost to Carolina.
Carolina just got murked.
Super murked.
She was too relaxed.
eddie bravo
It doesn't matter if you're relaxed or if you look nervous.
All that matters is how your ground game matches in.
So you're just pretending that everything's cool, leaning against the fence.
That's not going to do anything.
joe rogan
She's super dangerous on the ground, man.
bryan callen
What was the mistake she made there?
joe rogan
Well, Claudia, first of all, is physically a beast.
You're in the first round.
No one's tired yet.
She turns away.
She turns away.
Instead of turning towards her, she gave her back up.
That's second grade bully grass yard shit.
Well, you know what it is, man?
It's panic shit.
You're just like, I don't want to muscle my way back up to my feet.
bryan callen
But now she's got control.
joe rogan
She's controlling.
eddie bravo
That's what it all did right there.
bryan callen
But she's controlling here, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
She's got her.
And she's also, if you see her, she's only got one hook in here.
She's got two on one.
She's got one hook.
eddie bravo
She's trying to push.
joe rogan
And then look at that second hook.
bryan callen
Oh, that's a disaster.
joe rogan
Once it was under the chin, then she goes second hook.
bryan callen
That's a disaster.
joe rogan
That's deep.
That's a huge win.
Oh, yeah.
That's an undeniable choke right there.
That's like, you're going to sleep.
eddie bravo
Once it's that deep.
joe rogan
I feel like she deserves the title shot a little bit.
We think she does!
I really want to see Rose because we've seen it.
I'm sorry Rose!
unidentified
That's so devastating.
joe rogan
We gotta go with the bodied up Brazilian!
bryan callen
That's devastating to my girlfriend.
unidentified
You need some shit for this.
joe rogan
I don't care.
I would like to see her versus Rose.
Let's get this started.
Yes!
Let you want to chill.
I would say, ah, my foot hurt.
unidentified
Me too.
I pulled a drain to me.
eddie bravo
Ah, my hand.
unidentified
You guys go.
joe rogan
I need to take therapy.
How about Jorane Durandamy?
eddie bravo
Can everyone say her name now?
Durandamy went, I'm good, I'll just fuck your belt.
joe rogan
And Jorandamy's like, yeah, I never really wanted to fight 145 in the first place, going down to 35, and that girl, I'm just like...
unidentified
You know what?
See ya.
eddie bravo
Is her name Janjajek?
unidentified
Janjajek.
eddie bravo
Oh, I got close.
Little by little.
Month to month.
unidentified
I finally got it after two years.
eddie bravo
I would say 80% of MMA fans know how to say her name now.
unidentified
That's how she's getting famous.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
He still calls her champion.
Bryan Stan, he calls her Joanna Champion.
eddie bravo
What is it again?
One more time.
Like Young Jamie?
joe rogan
No, no, no, like Y-U-N. They spell it out for me phonetically when I have to read it for the...
When I have to read it, I might be doing it wrong, but when I have to read it for the weigh-ins, it's like Y-U-N-J-A-Y and then check.
eddie bravo
What does her last name start with?
What's the first letter?
J. It's a J. Okay.
unidentified
J-D-E-Z. Is she just J-J? JJ's good.
eddie bravo
Right, GSP? Come on.
Is that what they call her?
joe rogan
Not a bad idea, though.
She's the only JJ other than Jon Jones.
eddie bravo
There's one JJ. It's too much confusion.
But the problem is, Yon Jacek sounds like JY. That's like once the Thai guys start flooding into MMA. Oh, you thought you had it hard with the Polish people.
When the Thai guys come in, they got like 35 letters in some of their names.
joe rogan
Wait, while we're waiting for the next fight, did you guys see what the fuck Lion Fight did?
eddie bravo
There's a revolution going on right now.
joe rogan
Eddie, did you see what Lion Fight did?
They put this dude, Lerdzilla.
Do you know who Lerdzilla is?
eddie bravo
No, I love his name already.
joe rogan
He is a multiple world champion.
He has 180 Muay Thai fights.
unidentified
How many worlds?
joe rogan
They put him in there with a guy who had...
eddie bravo
Zero Muay Thai fights.
joe rogan
Listen to me.
Muay Thai debut fights Lerdzilla and gets head kicked into another fucking dimension.
unidentified
Why would they do that?
Watch this.
joe rogan
Look up there.
Why would they do that?
No!
Watch this.
Look at this.
But watch the combination, though.
Watch the combination.
Hit it again, Jamie.
Oh, is it Instagram?
Watch this.
bryan callen
Why would they do that?
joe rogan
Front kick to the body.
Bang!
Front leg ground kick.
Insane.
The other guy's an MMA fighter with a decent record.
He's got like a six and four or something comparable.
eddie bravo
There's, uh, multi-champions training MMA at Evolve right now.
Lerdzilla.
Do you know how crazy that is?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got the best name on Earth.
eddie bravo
Lerdzilla?
joe rogan
That's his real name, too.
bryan callen
Look at how relaxing he is.
joe rogan
L-E-R-G-S-I-L-L-A. Look at this.
Front kick to the body, and then front round kick out of nowhere.
unidentified
How the fuck did that guy fight him?
eddie bravo
It was like a fake leg kick to the head, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, fake front kick roundhouse kick, or they call it a question mark kick.
But what happened was, a bunch of people to lion fights, uh...
This is to their credit or in the interest of full disclosure.
They had two people pull out that didn't want to fight this guy.
They're like, fuck that.
And this guy was making his debut and said, I'll fucking fight him.
unidentified
God, what a terrible idea.
joe rogan
If I was his manager, I'd say, listen to me, son.
eddie bravo
That wasn't an MMA fight though, right?
joe rogan
No.
But it was a guy who had a record in MMA that was like, Wasn't good.
I mean it was a decent record.
unidentified
He had a salty record.
joe rogan
Yeah, he had some losses and he had some wins.
unidentified
Like a six and seven or something?
joe rogan
But he wasn't, you know, he wasn't Habib Nurmagomedov.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we're not talking about a guy who's like an elite world-class striker and he's fighting this guy, Lerdzilla, who's just a fucking assassin.
unidentified
He probably got a thousand bucks for that and a headache.
joe rogan
Headache for a year.
A thousand dollars and a concussion.
A year-long headache.
Nunez versus Shevchenko is a real fight.
That card is filthy.
eddie bravo
Oh yeah, dude.
Come on.
Top to bottom.
unidentified
I like Robert Whitaker in that fight, and he's like, you never know.
No, I'm surreal.
joe rogan
So that's the main fight now that TJ and Cody are out, right?
bryan callen
Yoel wins, and then he beats Bisbee.
joe rogan
How dare you?
bryan callen
I've been saying it from day one.
joe rogan
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Robert Whitaker could beat anybody in the world on 105 hours.
He might win, but he might get put to sleep.
bryan callen
He's beat everybody.
Excuse me, sir.
Excuse me, gentlemen.
He's beat everybody.
Who's he lost to?
joe rogan
He lost to Jacare.
Jacare got fucked in that fight.
But he's undefeated in MMA other than that, right?
bryan callen
Thank you, gentlemen.
I've been saying it from day one.
Two-time world champion, B.K.L. Sanderson.
brendan schaub
Wow, you really picked an underdog, Brad.
joe rogan
Well, he is a gorilla when it comes to wrestling.
He looks like a ninja turtle.
bryan callen
It's ridiculous.
unidentified
He's shredding.
joe rogan
He doesn't even look real.
bryan callen
He's going to win the world title at 40 years old.
joe rogan
He might.
He might.
Or Robert Whitaker might put those fucking kangaroo paws on him.
brendan schaub
Robert Whitaker's going to take that fucking right hand from Australia and knock his ass out.
bryan callen
Sir, sir, I'm gonna need you to calm down.
joe rogan
I'm on the Whitaker train.
bryan callen
You got this 80's NSYNC jacket on which I appreciate.
unidentified
NSYNC's from early 2000's.
joe rogan
This would be New Kids on the Block.
This would be New Kids on the Block first of all.
bryan callen
And I appreciate it.
unidentified
Thank you.
bryan callen
I admire your courage, your fashion courage.
unidentified
Thank you.
bryan callen
I'm also outraged at the same time.
joe rogan
You shouldn't have bought that.
Did you get it for free?
Of course he bought it.
New Kids on the Block, man.
bryan callen
He got it at the New Kids on the Block store.
joe rogan
They're back, by the way.
Okay, so this is the main event.
We're at the main event already.
bryan callen
Already?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's 9 o'clock.
bryan callen
Dude.
unidentified
Oh, you know what fight we...
brendan schaub
Well, we didn't miss it because it was on the prelims, but Asensou versus that Morales kid from World Series of Fighting.
joe rogan
Oh, what happened?
Asensou beat him.
Really?
unidentified
Split decision.
joe rogan
Some people think Morales...
brendan schaub
Yeah, a lot of people think Morales won, but Asensou beat him.
joe rogan
Wow, interesting.
Marlon Marais, in my opinion, was the best 135-pounder in the world outside of the UFC. It's a World Series of fighting, though.
Well, no, but he's really elite.
If you look at his skill set and the way he moves and who he's training with...
unidentified
Mark Henry trained.
joe rogan
Mark Henry, Frankie Edgar, Edson Barboza.
I mean, that's his camp.
Everyone's so high on him, man.
I'm high on him, too.
unidentified
I don't buy the hype machine until you get to the UFC, man, until you beat people.
joe rogan
You're right, but, I mean, it's his first fight in the UFC. Sunset's a motherfucker.
That's a fuck of a first fight, man.
unidentified
But it should be, though.
brendan schaub
You haven't lost since 2004 or some shit.
joe rogan
Okay.
True, but if you are the UFC, if the UFC, someone says, look, Brandon Shaw, we're tired of running this.
Take care of this.
Wouldn't you want to build him up?
I would want to build up Marlon.
I wouldn't want to let everybody know how good he is.
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
I just want to give him a highlight reel win in Rio.
Yeah, me too, because he's striking so elite.
He's nasty.
unidentified
He's knocked bitches out.
joe rogan
He's nasty.
And they need a new contender.
Exactly.
You put him in there with a guy who's a good- A Sun Tzu?
He's a monster.
A monster.
And he's not that exciting.
Right.
Yeah, you put him in there with a good 135-pounder who tests him.
But you know what, man?
That's how guys lose.
And that's how you find out who they are.
I mean, that's what happened with Sergio Pettis, right?
Fought Alex Caceres.
They threw him right to the Wolves.
And Caceres chokes him out.
And you realize, like, okay.
Like, you got some shit to learn, kid.
You're fucking talented.
But, hey, trial by fire.
bryan callen
It was the Frank Yeager, Yair Rodriguez thing.
Mr. Schaub, who do you have in this fight?
Because you tend to be pretty scientific about your picks.
unidentified
Man, this one's so tough to pick because of Jose.
joe rogan
It's so tough to pick against fucking Jose Aldo.
But I just feel like it's Max Holloway's time.
I feel like his boxing, he's bigger.
Max Holloway's very smart.
And he's very fluid with his movements.
He moves in and out really good.
He stays on the outside.
He can do anything.
Here's the big question.
What?
Well, how's he gonna deal with Aldo's leg kicks?
Big question.
unidentified
And if it goes to the ground, people forget Aldo's a fucking world champion on the ground.
joe rogan
Ooh!
Aldo, he beat Cabrinha in a regular jiu-jitsu match.
unidentified
Yeah, everyone forgets about his grappling because he's such a beast of a striker.
That could be trouble for Holloway because Holloway just wants to fucking strike.
joe rogan
And I think a lot of it depends on, like, where's Aldo at mentally?
Well, he just came off the Frankie Edgar fight and he looked fantastic.
unidentified
But before that, I was talking about retirement.
joe rogan
Remember, you're retired.
You want to play soccer.
bryan callen
That might have been out of anger.
joe rogan
Max Holloway's all in, though.
unidentified
Max Holloway's all in.
brendan schaub
What else is interesting about Max Holloway and Stipe is these guys, they just run their camps.
joe rogan
Like, he's not at some super camp.
bryan callen
Why is he holding a British flag up when he's from Hawaii?
joe rogan
You son of a bitch.
That's a Hawaiian flag.
bryan callen
It's part British flag.
eddie bravo
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
You don't even know.
Have you been to Hawaii?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Can we mute Mike for that?
You've never been to Hawaii.
bryan callen
I thought America was part of the United States.
joe rogan
You've been to Saudi Arabia and shit.
I know.
bryan callen
Never Australia and never Hawaii and never South America.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
Damn, I've been to all those.
unidentified
When you talk all this shit about traveling, come to my world.
bryan callen
I will, brother.
joe rogan
I know you don't want to talk traveling, too.
I'm going tomorrow night.
Don't talk traveling with Henry Rollins.
You'll feel like a townie.
bryan callen
God, that guy's been around, hasn't he?
joe rogan
Do you know what he does every year?
Picks a spot on the map.
Let's go like that.
Bali.
Calls his travel agent.
Where can we go in Bali?
He just flies out to Bali by himself with a laptop and a camera, pair of underwear, toothbrush, just lives there.
Didn't your boy Ari do the same thing because of Henry Rollins?
Yeah, Ari went super deep.
He went even deeper.
He went for four months.
Ari's like, I'll show you Henry Rollins.
unidentified
I feel like that's too much.
joe rogan
I'll show you Henry Rollins.
Did he come back weird or did he come back awesome?
eddie bravo
If you're looking for Wi-Fi in your destination, you're not traveling.
Ari Shafir is such a good guy.
Fuck your Wi-Fi.
Fuck your phone if you really want to travel.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Can't you travel with a phone?
eddie bravo
I travel all the time, and I'd rather stay home.
Once you travel to a thousand cities, you realize that it's an illusion.
Everyone's trying to travel to where I live!
People are coming from Australia, and I'm going to fucking Tahiti?
unidentified
Preach, brother.
eddie bravo
And you know what?
Because you're walking through the airport, and you see the destination, the be-all, end-all.
Some dude's feet on a fucking badass beach.
That's...
That's the goal.
And then when you get there, you realize, wait a minute, they're cutting off, they framed off like the people trying to sell you a fucking crocodile floating.
I thought I was going to be alone on this island.
I didn't know there was going to be like fucking...
unidentified
I thought there was going to be a fresh coronavirus.
eddie bravo
I thought, I thought, I went to Thailand.
I go, I'm going to go to deserted fucking island on Thailand.
And everyone said, yeah, you can.
I go, where?
They go, you need to fucking take a cab for three hours.
Jumped in a cab three hours.
I'm going to...
And then we finally get there.
They go, where are the islands?
Oh, you want to go to the island?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm thinking...
I don't give a fuck how much it costs.
Let's just go.
It's cheaper if you go on a big ferry to this island, or you could take a speedboat and go, fucking speedboat!
Let's go!
unidentified
Boom!
eddie bravo
I'm videotaping everything on the speedboat!
I want to go on this fucking island that I see!
At the airport.
I see them all the time.
I don't give a fuck.
I'm getting book money and shit.
I don't give a fuck.
I flew to Thailand nonstop.
I go, I'm going to go on a fucking island.
You get there.
Boom.
And there's 200 other people there.
And there's like snack bars and shit.
bryan callen
The secret is not yours.
unidentified
You got to get richer, son.
joe rogan
What's the matter about that joint?
Where'd that joint go?
eddie bravo
I go, this is the island?
bryan callen
There you go.
eddie bravo
It was a trick.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
eddie bravo
It was a trick.
I spent fucking all day finding this fucking island.
Dude, I was on a speedboat thinking they were gonna take me to this island.
joe rogan
And I was gonna be alone.
Remember your boy Jason from England?
The Maldives.
Got to go to the Maldives.
eddie bravo
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Probability.
unidentified
Hey, did you see Jose Aldo in Brazil?
He has a restaurant.
It's just American burgers in Brazil.
eddie bravo
Really?
unidentified
It's just cheeseburgers.
bryan callen
Probably smart.
joe rogan
It's called Famous Burgers.
That's ridiculous.
Well, he is famous, and he sells cheeseburgers.
Hey man, is that cultural appropriation?
Because a bunch of chicks got ran out of Portland, these girls got ran out of Portland because they were white and they were making burritos?
bryan callen
Yeah, because the United States is cultural appropriation.
That's how you get better as a person.
joe rogan
No, I don't want a white girl making my burrito.
Brian's about to go Fox News on us here.
unidentified
It's true!
eddie bravo
I was in Korea.
bryan callen
It's fucking ridiculous.
eddie bravo
They got a Mexican joint in Korea.
They play fucking Mexican music.
unidentified
They had Koreans making the burritos?
bryan callen
Rice came from China.
eddie bravo
Koreans making Mexican food.
unidentified
They made me chorizo.
joe rogan
Boys, if we ever do a fight companion that's like in Europe or something like that, it's on the weekend, I gotta take you guys to a real legit Mexican joint down the street.
eddie bravo
Do you guys realize there's a Mexican in the room?
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Okay.
joe rogan
There's a super legit, you order for us.
There's a super legit Mexican joint down the street where like all the TV, It's all I eat, son.
My girl's Mexican.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
A real legit menudo?
bryan callen
Hey, why do these guys all have berets on?
What's going on over here?
joe rogan
Super skeptical eyes.
bryan callen
Guys, what's going on with the berets?
joe rogan
They're in the guardian angels.
eddie bravo
Some authentic shit.
I was raised with the Mexican.
We went to McDonald's when my mom got paid.
We're like, we're going to...
joe rogan
Aldo's ripped.
eddie bravo
We're going to Mexican restaurants.
bryan callen
Yeah, he is.
joe rogan
Dude, he looks tremendous.
bryan callen
Yeah, he does.
joe rogan
Like, physically?
Dude, he looks as good as he's ever loved.
That looks like Aldo when he fought Chad Mendes for the first fight.
eddie bravo
What are you saying?
joe rogan
He looks fantastic.
Looks like he's motivated.
I'm not saying shit about steroids, bro.
Eddie Bravo!
eddie bravo
I didn't say shit!
I didn't say shit!
bryan callen
But just by asking what he meant...
joe rogan
He looks tremendous.
bryan callen
He still is very strict.
joe rogan
I think for a guy like Aldo, who's been the champion, besides Conor McGregor, there's only been one ever 145-pound champion in the UFC. That's that guy you're looking at right now.
So with a guy like that...
I think many times it's a battle of motivation.
I mean, he's so dominant, he's been in the game for so long, and here's the crazy shit, he's only 30!
bryan callen
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
All the years that Jose Aldo has been dominating, and you think about it, I mean, there's a guy who beat Frankie Edgar, right?
First time, beats him, and then beats him again the second time, maybe even cleaner, maybe even better, right?
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
Think about all the people that he fought.
The Chad Mendes fight, the second fight's a war.
First fight he KO's him.
Remember the Mark Harmonick fight in Toronto?
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Mark had a huge fucking hematoma.
But that was also when he was having a hard time making that weight.
That was when we did that press conference the day before the fight, and it was the day of the weigh-ins, and he could barely be on the DS because he was so weakened by the weight cut because he hadn't weighed in yet.
I think although, I mean, the crazy thing is, he's always gonna be judged by that Conor McGregor fight.
Which is fucked up.
Which, it's kinda crazy.
bryan callen
I don't judge him for that, fuck that.
joe rogan
But it is what it is.
But you kinda have to.
Well that's his biggest high profile fight.
Conor showed that a guy can come in, well a guy as talented as Conor, can come in and first of all fuck with his head.
Which with Conor absolutely did.
Get inside of his head, create a lot of stress.
Create a lot of pressure.
Force him to rush.
And then Conor just relax as fuck, slides out of the way, and drops that left-hand bomb on him.
Here's a question for you guys.
He solved the puzzle.
unidentified
What happens if Holloway comes in and mercs him in the first round with his striking?
joe rogan
Then it's going to really taint his legacy.
Here's the real question.
brendan schaub
Because he's never fought any really, really good striker except for Conor and Holloway, if you think about it.
joe rogan
Or what happens if...
Aldo kicks the shit out of his legs and has him hobbling and wobbling really early and winds up stopping him.
Do you have another Connor fight?
unidentified
Oh, Connor's never been fighting at 45. Does he go up to 55?
bryan callen
He should.
He says he wants to.
unidentified
Do you see Dana goes, just to get him to commit this, I have to have a serious talk.
joe rogan
I'm like, Connor's never gonna fight you.
eddie bravo
Gotta move on.
joe rogan
Like, that's never happening.
It's so crazy for a guy.
brendan schaub
Why would Conor make a fucking hundred-gillion dollars fighting Floyd and then come back and take on a fight against Jose Aldo?
joe rogan
You're right, but he's a guy that just fought Eddie Alvarez a year ago.
eddie bravo
And you've got to remember, the result of what happens with Mayweather is huge.
Let's just say that on the off chance that Mayweather just murks him and just doesn't get hit not even once.
bryan callen
Is Aldo nervous?
eddie bravo
Conor's gonna come back with the fury.
He's gonna come back with the fury to the UFC and say, fuck boxing, I'm gonna come back, and this is my sport, and I'm gonna dominate.
joe rogan
Will he be tainted?
See, if he makes it to a decision, he looks tough.
He won't be tainted.
eddie bravo
It all depends on what happens.
If he loses and he gets super played with, He's going to come back to the UFC with a fury.
joe rogan
Yes.
But I think he's going to come back no matter what.
brendan schaub
If he goes a decision like you were saying, it's a win for MMA. Yeah, but it's close.
joe rogan
It's a big time win for us.
Not even if it's close.
No, I think even if you get that class for 12 rounds.
Because there's no way Conor would ever let Floyd survive.
There's not a chance.
eddie bravo
If they had a five round...
joe rogan
But hold on.
If they had a five-round MMA fight, let's all agree.
Floyd Mayweather would never fucking survive.
bryan callen
I'm nervous for this fight, guys.
joe rogan
There's not a chance in hell.
There's a chance.
There's a very, very, very, very slight chance that he remersers him.
bryan callen
I have to bring you guys to the attention of the great Jose Aldo.
We have to watch this fight and give it the respect it deserves and...
joe rogan
Listen, settle down.
bryan callen
No, I won't settle down because this is a very serious fight.
eddie bravo
It all depends on what kind of takedown training or takedown defense training Floyd Mayweather puts himself through.
Does he put himself through the delusional kind of training or the real legit takedown defense?
joe rogan
That's a good point.
Here they go.
Here they go.
457, 456, 455, 454 if you're sinking.
unidentified
It's one of the best matches of the year.
If not the best.
bryan callen
Feeling each other out here.
How nervous are they both?
joe rogan
Max Holloway looks very smooth and relaxed.
So does Aldo.
Everybody looks good.
No one's doing nothing.
eddie bravo
Let's see what's up with that.
brendan schaub
I just want to see Holloway's answer for those leg kicks.
joe rogan
Well, the thing is, Holloway's very clever.
He's not going to rush in, man.
No way.
He fought Jeremy Stevens.
I mean, he adapts the way he fought Cub Swanson.
One of the more interesting things about Holloway is because he talks, you know, he's like a cool Hawaiian kid.
Like, people kind of sleep on that.
Like, they think of Hawaiians as being, like, fun-loving, like, surfing, partying people.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's BJ Penn.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
I know, but there's something about, like, the way he talks.
You don't take him serious almost?
There's something about it.
It's almost like you think he's just so nervous right now.
eddie bravo
Is BJ talking about coming back?
joe rogan
Yes, he's still fighting.
He's fighting fucking homeboy.
bryan callen
I feel like Aldo- Dennis Seaver.
unidentified
Dennis Seaver.
eddie bravo
And Dennis still doing the damn thing.
Yair was too much.
You know, PJ can still have some awesome fights, but Yair was just not the right matchup.
bryan callen
Hey, does Aldo look like himself right now, or does he look nervous?
joe rogan
Oh, he looks perfect.
Nothing's happened.
Right now he's just moving.
See, he is probably aware that Max Holloway wants him to commit and Max wants to counter.
Max is a taller, longer fighter, and he's also...
Max is very good at not loading up.
If you ever watch Max Holloway's fights, he throws things very precise for the most part.
I mean, he'll load up if he can, if he can get away with it, but he's like...
bryan callen
Wins by attrition.
joe rogan
He's just very technical with his striking.
He doesn't have a lot of fat.
eddie bravo
Super straight punches.
joe rogan
Yes, very straight punches.
He doesn't have a lot of fat in his movements.
And because he's a long, tall guy, that means so much.
He's got long, tall, which is great, and then he also has super efficient movement.
He's hard to hit, man.
unidentified
He's hard to hit.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's really hard to get a clean punch.
Super hard to hit, and again, he's fucking smart.
Max Holloway's fight IQ is very high.
bryan callen
Super high.
joe rogan
Crazy doesn't come from the super camp either.
But he just clipped Aldo right there with that left hook.
And he also knows how dangerous all those leg kicks are.
So right now, Max Holloway's aware.
unidentified
Oh!
bryan callen
Holy shit.
eddie bravo
Oh!
unidentified
Oh!
bryan callen
He dung him!
eddie bravo
Oh my God!
bryan callen
Jose Aldo!
joe rogan
Aldo's on fire!
bryan callen
Holy shit!
On fire!
unidentified
Oh my God!
bryan callen
Oh my God!
joe rogan
He woke up a lion!
bryan callen
Oh my God!
unidentified
Jesus!
bryan callen
You forget...
eddie bravo
When he gets in that kind of rhythm, forget about it.
bryan callen
Lest you forget how good Aldo is.
eddie bravo
You let him get that kind of confidence.
joe rogan
I remember when he hit Chad Mendez with the duchy.
He hit him with that left hook to the body and that right leg kick, and you watch him do it, and you go, oh, Jesus.
bryan callen
Max Holloway weathered that storm.
He weathered that fucking storm.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, he did.
Jesus.
bryan callen
His eyes are wide open.
unidentified
Chad should be coming back any day now, right?
Off the suspension.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do you know what his suspension was for?
bryan callen
No.
unidentified
I mean, straight up, PD. Oh!
joe rogan
Well, no, it was for something that he used for psoriasis.
There's some shit they tested.
bryan callen
Chimera?
joe rogan
There's something in some psoriasis medication that makes you piss hot.
Meanwhile, I sound like a fucking alpha male apologist right there, don't I? Yeah, legit.
unidentified
PDs?
No, Brendan.
Arthritis.
joe rogan
Even though Chad Mendes could jump out of a fucking five foot pool and he's only five foot seven.
unidentified
No, he's a freak.
joe rogan
He is a freak.
Super freak athlete.
But for real, that is what he said.
I believe him.
bryan callen
I cured my psoriasis.
joe rogan
He does have it.
I know he doesn't have it.
There's a lot of photos with it where you can see it on his skin.
And I know that steroids are a way that they handle that shit.
unidentified
But if you just put that on the thing, you might be alright.
joe rogan
GHRP is what it was.
Before it came out, he had no idea what it was.
Mendes explained.
When the test results came back, they told me I tested positive.
I was like, I don't even know what that is.
Bunch of research.
unidentified
Oh, man, that sucks.
joe rogan
I love Chad.
It says it's used to treat plaque psoriasis, a skin condition he's been dealing with for years.
unidentified
Fuck, bro.
joe rogan
So it seems legit.
unidentified
Poor Chad.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
He's fucking Isada.
Relax.
joe rogan
Yeah, but here's- Oh!
bryan callen
Uppercuts!
joe rogan
Dude, Max Holloway can take it.
Max Holloway dung him back.
unidentified
This is a fucking- I'll tell you what, there's a huge speed advantage on Aldo's side.
joe rogan
Aldo's so goddamn explosive.
He's so good at closing the gap, man.
Like, you remember that Mendez knee he landed in their first fight?
Oh my god.
And I'll never forget calling the Uriah Faber fight.
bryan callen
Oh my god!
unidentified
Look at that!
joe rogan
Uriah Faber fight was one of the most horrific displays of leg kicks I've ever seen.
bryan callen
Oh, it was the worst thing in the world.
Uriah said he wanted to faint.
He was trying not to faint from the pain.
That's what he said.
joe rogan
How tough is Uriah Faber?
bryan callen
Toughest of toughest.
I think the toughest guy ever said.
joe rogan
Never quit in that fight.
bryan callen
He broke both his hands against fucking Mike Brown and kept fighting.
Nobody tougher than that guy.
You don't get tougher.
Dude, first round.
First fucking round.
joe rogan
And then he documented the damage to his leg.
Oh, my God.
Oh, Maxwell with a...
bryan callen
Nah, that doesn't work on Jose Aldo.
unidentified
So there's something in psoriasis that shows up in the steroid test?
joe rogan
The treatment for psoriasis.
eddie bravo
There's something in the treatment that shows up.
Man, that'd be a good idea.
If you get on some juicer, hey, listen, go get a prescription for this stuff.
unidentified
Right away you do it.
joe rogan
Look at that uppercut left hook.
That was brilliant.
bryan callen
But I cured my psoriasis.
I have plaque psoriasis.
I don't know what happened, but I just stopped.
joe rogan
I heard you were sucking a lot of dicks.
bryan callen
Sucking dicks?
eddie bravo
Now you can do steroids.
bryan callen
I was sucking strange dicks in Bustroom Johns.
unidentified
I'm 12. Sucking dick.
bryan callen
No, and then I... Oh, yeah, bro.
joe rogan
Heard you were sucking dick.
bryan callen
I stopped eating, touching cow dairy.
And there's this book.
You ever read that book called The Plant Paradox about lectins?
Really good book about psoriasis.
joe rogan
Put your right to sleep.
bryan callen
Well, there's certain...
eddie bravo
Can you imagine a book about psoriasis?
joe rogan
What kind of books are you reading?
But if you had psoriasis like he did, that's a reason to read it.
unidentified
You've seen that documentary on psoriasis?
bryan callen
Do you have psoriasis?
eddie bravo
But he's recommending it.
joe rogan
No, no, it literally makes sense.
bryan callen
I get it on my face, I get it on my legs really bad.
joe rogan
Round two, round two, here we go.
bryan callen
I couldn't wear shorts.
joe rogan
We all agree Aldo won that first round.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, right?
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
That book, not a 10-8.
Dude, he looks good.
It looks good.
Oh, that fucking sneaky left hook to the body, man.
bryan callen
Dude, Aldo, one of the best ever, ever, ever, still.
joe rogan
Dude, that sneaky left hook to the body is no joke, and he follows it up with that right leg kick a lot, and by the way, he hasn't thrown any of them yet.
eddie bravo
Not one.
He doesn't need to.
joe rogan
That's the same thing he did through one, maybe.
But that's the same thing that happened with Frankie Edgar.
See, a lot of people anticipate the idea that Aldo's gonna try to take him down.
Oh, but Aldo's got some serious fucking hands.
And when he knows he's not gonna kick you, but you think he might kick you, then it opens up his hands.
unidentified
Makes you hesitate.
joe rogan
Dude, and his hands are no fucking joke.
Dude, he's so much faster than Holloway.
Dude, all those hands are like lightning.
He's been talking lately.
I mean, I would like to find out how serious he is, but he's been talking lately about possibly one day fighting in pro boxing.
That's not out of the question.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
He needs coming at 55. He needs coming at 55. I think you're probably right.
What's left for him at 45?
Let's be real.
Well, I mean, who knows, man?
I mean, he seems to be...
This...
If he makes it through five rounds looking like this, we gotta shut the fuck up.
Because he made 45. 100%.
I know, but who's he gonna find?
bryan callen
Oh my god!
joe rogan
But it doesn't matter.
He's looking fantastic.
Unless...
They can make a case for him to fight McGregor.
At 55. They should.
Yes, at 55. Conor's never coming down to 45 for him.
But I would feel like if I was Aldo, you have to become undeniable.
And at 30 years old, he can become undeniable still.
To us, to the hardcore fans, he's undeniable.
bryan callen
Undeniable.
joe rogan
But in order to sell that big pay-per-view that would make Conor want to come down to fight him.
Get your revenge.
He's got to merc everybody.
He's got to become this guy, like Gennady Golovkin.
Like, we're to the point where, like, Canelo had to fight him.
Everybody keeps talking about Golovkin.
Golovkin, Golovkin.
Oh, that was good.
brendan schaub
Like, what happens if Jose Aldo came up and fought fucking Khabib or Tony Ferguson, merc'd them?
eddie bravo
Then Conor almost forced to fight him.
joe rogan
Crazy, yeah.
Yeah, he starts talking shit.
Yeah.
eddie bravo
He ain't Merck and Tony, I'll tell you that much.
unidentified
No, I knew you were going to say that.
joe rogan
I'm just saying that you'd have to do that.
unidentified
Come on.
eddie bravo
Let's be real.
Let's be real.
unidentified
Oh, no.
eddie bravo
He's too much.
Tony's a nut.
joe rogan
Listen, I feel like Tony is so fucking durable and so nasty.
Just like such a natural fighter.
unidentified
He's so game.
joe rogan
He's so game for a 45. But also super smart, super skillful, and disciplined as fuck.
Tony's a handful for anybody.
unidentified
Anybody.
joe rogan
Anybody.
I need to see him and fucking Khabib fight.
I know, man.
unidentified
I'm gonna freak the fuck out.
You know what?
joe rogan
Tony should just ask him, like, hey, man, what do you weigh?
unidentified
Like, let's fight at 65. Let's just fight.
joe rogan
So you don't die.
Yeah, don't die.
Let's fight.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Max Holloway tagged him!
Max Holloway long with those punches.
bryan callen
I don't think he tagged him, actually.
unidentified
Dude, he definitely did.
joe rogan
He got pretty good there.
bryan callen
Oh!
Man, this is beautiful.
joe rogan
Two of the very best.
Not a whole lot of kicking, folks.
bryan callen
Because I think Jose is afraid he's going to catch a right hand if he kicks.
unidentified
Aldo.
bryan callen
I mean...
joe rogan
I'll tell you what, though.
Max is showing his fight IQ, man.
He's showing his fight IQ. Look how he's stretching those arms out in front of him.
bryan callen
Give me an idea how good Conor is.
He beat both these dudes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But also, like, you see how he's doing that?
First of all, he's doing it totally legal, right?
unidentified
Oh!
bryan callen
Good head movement!
Oh, my God!
joe rogan
Oh, he tagged him with the right again!
This is crazy!
unidentified
Hey, Conor beat him, too, with a torn knee, by the way.
joe rogan
I don't want to hear about that.
Oh, body kick!
eddie bravo
Damn, they're going off now.
joe rogan
It was a strong kick to the body by Max.
Holy shit, what a fight.
What a fight.
Max has a chin like a motherfucker.
He's a savage.
So is Aldo, man.
You know what?
If you take away that one punch by Conor, he ran into it.
I know, he's the best ever.
unidentified
He's pound for pound number one.
bryan callen
It's crazy.
I would say.
unidentified
It's crazy.
But he did take that hit.
bryan callen
But he did take that hit.
unidentified
Ain't that a bitch?
joe rogan
So, you know what it is, man?
It's like, there's a puzzle to every fighter.
The question is, did he seal that puzzle problem up?
That little hole that Conor found?
Did he seal that up?
eddie bravo
We won't know until he fights Conor.
joe rogan
We won't know.
Damn it, they have to fight.
If you were the head of the UFC, would you be like, listen, we've got to make this happen, boys?
eddie bravo
No.
joe rogan
What would you do?
unidentified
I would have Conor probably fight GSP. Fight Floyd first.
I'd have him fight Floyd then, GSP. Oh, man.
joe rogan
I want people to be educated.
Oh, nice gem.
unidentified
I want people to feel about fights the way we feel about fights.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
I hear ya.
joe rogan
I want people to be educated.
bryan callen
Oh!
joe rogan
Damn!
And Max nodded at him!
He's like, come on!
Oh, hands up!
Hands up!
Hands down!
eddie bravo
Oh, shit!
joe rogan
Max Holloway!
eddie bravo
You're a Hawaiian DS, baby!
It's the body again!
joe rogan
It's a Hawaiian DS tactic!
Oh!
Open hand slap.
eddie bravo
He just bitch slapped him!
Oh, shit!
bryan callen
Careful!
unidentified
You know what happened there after the bell, though?
joe rogan
Max was trying to give him the thumbs up, and Aldo turned his back.
So Max lost a psychological war there.
He gave a thumbs up to a dude who had his back to him.
That's not good.
eddie bravo
What a fight!
bryan callen
What a fight!
joe rogan
Max Holloway's a goddamn savage.
Max is down two, though, you think?
I mean, probably, right?
If you had a guess.
eddie bravo
It's in Brazil, remember, John.
unidentified
Yeah, he's down.
bryan callen
He's down for sure.
joe rogan
Look at that right hand.
That is clean.
That's clean.
He's so much quicker.
He looks good.
unidentified
Look at this Hawaiian Diaz move.
joe rogan
I love it.
See that?
He gave the thumb to his back.
Too nice.
You gotta be quick pulling that thumb back.
And then you gotta take that hand, and you gotta double, and you might need to walk towards him after that.
You might need to walk towards him.
And no stool in between rounds now.
No, no, no, no.
eddie bravo
As dangerous as Aldo is standing, he's got high-level chokes.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Almost a world-class jiu-jitsu guy, man.
Look, he's jacked.
That's not even being thought about at this point.
eddie bravo
There's no jiu-jitsu going on here at all.
bryan callen
He's got a salsa mustache.
joe rogan
Bodied up in this fight, too.
Mr. Steal your girl with that facial hair.
unidentified
Right?
eddie bravo
I wish I could pull that off.
joe rogan
Okay, so here's the question.
We're in round three now, right?
It's 444. Max is down two.
unidentified
Let's be real.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would say, right?
If you had to look at the scorecard.
But interesting rounds, right?
Max has got his.
Both guys have gotten things off, but Aldo looks fucking sensational.
Only the second round was a little interesting.
The first round, I was like, well, Max is about to get smart.
bryan callen
Brennan, please make a t-shirt.
unidentified
Oh, please.
joe rogan
You're crazy.
I was interested in the first round heavily.
unidentified
No, I'm saying that first round, though, Max really got outclassed.
joe rogan
I don't think there was a big long period in the beginning where everybody was waiting for somebody to move.
unidentified
True.
joe rogan
And then Aldo eventually got the best of the exchanges.
He's just showing some real next level speed.
unidentified
Look at Max trying to get him back.
Oh no, he's letting him out.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
This is some...
Here's the other thing.
You gotta realize how many wars Aldo's already been in.
I mean, think about this.
bryan callen
The only real fight that took a lot out of him was the Chad Mendes thing, though.
I mean, and also Conor.
joe rogan
Well, he's had two...
The Ricardo Lamas fight.
Lamas had him on his back, and he's punching him.
bryan callen
Oh, oh, oh, my God.
joe rogan
So did Homnic.
eddie bravo
Shit's getting crazy now, guys.
bryan callen
But he was on antibiotics when he was...
eddie bravo
Shit's getting nuts right now.
bryan callen
Oh, my God, yeah, it is.
Brandon, please- OH! Max Holloway tagged him!
eddie bravo
They're going off.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Knee in the body!
eddie bravo
No janksters, Max Holloway!
joe rogan
Both of them!
Aldo with that sweet knee.
eddie bravo
I know.
I don't know why I'm hating on Aldo.
unidentified
I don't get it.
joe rogan
I really want Max to win for some reason.
You know what?
One of the best things that's ever happened out of being a commentator is learning how to appreciate just a performance.
Oh yeah, not me.
unidentified
I've got favorites.
joe rogan
I always had favorites, man.
Always.
You're only human.
Oh, that right hand!
I try not to now, but if somebody that I'm friends with, like if cowboy fights...
bryan callen
Oh, it's the worst.
joe rogan
It's hard.
It's hard for me.
Very, very hard for me to call.
Your fights were the hardest I've ever had to call.
Really?
100%.
It's the hardest I've ever had to call.
So you have to sway and go...
unidentified
Oh!
eddie bravo
No!
bryan callen
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Oh, he's hurting!
eddie bravo
It's not over yet.
246!
unidentified
It's not over yet.
246!
It's not over yet.
joe rogan
And they're on the ground.
Max Holloway with the mount.
bryan callen
Full mount.
Oh my god.
unidentified
Oh!
eddie bravo
It's a lot of crucial grappling going on right here.
joe rogan
Max Holloway.
Oh!
He tagged him again!
Oh!
eddie bravo
Let him up, Max.
Let him up, Max.
joe rogan
Yeah, Aldo is on clear street.
Oh my goodness.
Make him get up, Max.
Knock him out.
Oh, what heart.
unidentified
What heart.
bryan callen
What heart is right.
joe rogan
What heart by Aldo to survive this.
He's too good.
eddie bravo
His jiu-jitsu is...
joe rogan
But time control.
Look at this.
eddie bravo
Alive.
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
He's so battered, man.
Oh.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Almost out.
Oh my goodness.
This is crazy.
unidentified
Full mount.
joe rogan
Full mount.
No more burger plate joints.
bryan callen
Oh, fuck, man.
joe rogan
Dude, he might still win this.
You never know what the fuck can happen.
unidentified
No, I know.
No more burger joints.
Oh!
joe rogan
Come on!
Max is dropping bombs!
eddie bravo
It's over!
unidentified
Oh, Jesus!
joe rogan
It's over, son!
They're about to stop it.
Is he gonna choke them out?
He's gonna try to sneak out the back door.
What he's gonna try to do is use his...
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
He's going under the chin!
He's going under the chin!
He's got it!
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
I don't like that move.
bryan callen
If he survives this, if he survives this, he's taking full back now.
Please survive the back now.
unidentified
I don't know about all that, dude.
joe rogan
This dude's hurting.
Oh!
bryan callen
Oh my god.
unidentified
Which ref is that?
Oh, that's Big John.
He knows what he's doing.
eddie bravo
Oh, head on.
joe rogan
Head on, John.
No, he's got the wrong...
Arm's in the wrong spot.
eddie bravo
Oh!
bryan callen
This is an ass.
joe rogan
This is an ass- Well, this is...
If he just pours it on right now, he's gonna stop.
bryan callen
Come on, keep going!
No!
No, no, no!
joe rogan
Oh my goodness!
unidentified
He's defending?
joe rogan
Oh my goodness!
unidentified
He's defending!
bryan callen
No, no!
Get the arm!
Get the arm, Jose!
Cover it up!
Cover it up!
Now what?
Now what?
joe rogan
That's it!
They're gonna stop it!
unidentified
No, he's gonna say, defend yourself!
brendan schaub
Defend your- No, he's saying I'm good!
unidentified
My ref didn't hear that last fight.
joe rogan
It's fine.
bryan callen
You can't stop it yet.
joe rogan
You can't stop it.
bryan callen
That's it!
joe rogan
Oh!
bryan callen
Max motherfucking Holloway!
Oh my god.
Holy shit.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
The stars born, gentlemen.
Holy shit.
Hawaii finally gets the royal champ.
Goddamn!
Fucking Hawaii.
Holy shit, Max Holloway.
You know what, man?
Aldo, he's shaking his head because he still wanted to be able to fight, and it's a referee's call to stop the fight, and he's very upset about that he was stuck.
But, man...
It seemed legit to me.
That was a legit stoppage.
It seemed legit to me.
It seemed like he wasn't intelligently affecting himself.
Oh, you know it's legit!
eddie bravo
Eddie and Creed!
joe rogan
You don't think it was legit?
eddie bravo
It was legit.
joe rogan
Yes!
You think it's legit, right?
bryan callen
Yeah, I do.
joe rogan
I would imagine...
eddie bravo
They could have stopped it a long time ago.
joe rogan
You have to protect the fighter from himself.
eddie bravo
I agree with you.
I like that Big John let it go that long.
joe rogan
John's the best in the business.
eddie bravo
Hey, you know what?
That was a fight that you rarely see.
He took a beating for like two minutes straight.
unidentified
Yup.
joe rogan
Yup.
Came back, man.
You got tagged.
Is that how sad that white girl is?
bryan callen
Damn, it's so hard, man.
She sees what he goes through, man.
joe rogan
What an incredible fight for Max Holloway.
Look at Max, son.
Oh, let him jump in the fucking crowd.
He wants that flag.
He wants this Hawaiian flag, man.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
No, there's this family that flew all the way from Hawaii, for God's sakes.
Where's Jason Momoa?
Where's The Rock?
What the fuck?
Yeah, Brock Riette, man.
You got a world champion, Hawaii.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Cleveland!
Cleveland!
We got a world champ!
Yes!
Cleveland, we got a world champ!
Stipe!
That's right.
That's one of my all-time favorite, a guy who just won the title things.
Stipe Miocic did.
eddie bravo
What did he say about his kitchen?
joe rogan
He ran out onto the cage.
He couldn't believe it after he knocked out the building.
unidentified
He goes, Cleveland, we got a world champ!
This last fight, he said something about his kitchen.
eddie bravo
You like him?
joe rogan
What?
eddie bravo
You like Machine Gun Kelly?
joe rogan
Jamie likes to say something nice or say nothing at all.
eddie bravo
Hey listen, there's a serious movement in Cleveland.
joe rogan
Yeah, well listen, Cleveland is a...
I had a great fucking time.
We did a UFC in Cleveland just a little while ago, and I did a show there in Cleveland.
I had a fucking great time, man.
They're fun.
unidentified
Dude.
joe rogan
That city's coming back to life.
Hawaii is fucking coming back to life.
What's this?
Look at this.
Bang!
Boom!
unidentified
Bam!
joe rogan
Oh, come on, son.
Drops him with that right hand.
unidentified
Nothing fancy, is it?
joe rogan
The one-two, the one-two.
Beautiful timing, though, man.
Beautiful timing.
Look at this.
Look at this.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
Oh, my timing with that right hand.
It's perfection.
He's on top of him, dropping bombs on him.
There was a couple of times in the fight where it looked like Aldo went out, but his will, his will and his need to fucking get through this.
Like right there.
Bang!
Come on, man.
Do you know how hard it is to beat Jose Aldo?
He's lost once in that kind of freak fight with Conor.
eddie bravo
Other than that.
joe rogan
And to beat him like this.
I mean, Max Holloway beat the shit out of him.
He beat him in a way that no one's ever beat him.
He took his best and kept going too.
And he beat him in a way that no one's ever beat him.
Connor only beat him because he caught him.
Max Holloway beat him down.
He beat him down.
He got through the gauntlet.
unidentified
How big is Max Holloway going to be?
joe rogan
Hawaii and fighting is fucking...
Giant!
How happy is BJ Penn right now?
eddie bravo
He's gonna own that island.
joe rogan
I've been singing that kid's praises for a long time.
He came into the UFC super young.
Super young, too.
bryan callen
Who's the guy in the background holding that belt?
unidentified
Devastated like it's his Hey, man, it is what it did a great job.
bryan callen
It's a great fighter.
joe rogan
It is what it is This is fighting and people win and people lose and the the sport ultimately It depends upon these sort of fights It depends upon these all-time greats, like Aldo, facing some guy who's got the solution to what that guy presents.
And that's what Aldo did tonight.
I mean, he went out there with all of his championship medal, and he laid it all on the line, he fought his best, and his puzzle got solved by the new breed.
bryan callen
Let's hear what he has to say.
unidentified
How crazy is this?
Conor beat both these guys.
joe rogan
Give us some volume.
I know.
unidentified
Conor beat both these guys.
joe rogan
They beat him with a torn ACL. Look at this.
But a long time ago.
Still a little.
bryan callen
It's incredible.
unidentified
Max Holloway Rush Holloway?
joe rogan
Great name.
I love it.
George Rush St. Pierre inspired?
Yes or no?
unidentified
Nah, he's Hawaiian.
They're booing you now though.
Powerful shout out to Brazil.
joe rogan
Always a good move.
Yeah, but they're booing them.
unidentified
They're booing them.
joe rogan
Of course they're booing them.
They feel like the fight shouldn't have been stopped because their guy got beat.
unidentified
You're smart in that, Brazil.
joe rogan
Slow?
eddie bravo
Why you gotta bring up bullshit?
unidentified
What if he said that?
What if he said that?
joe rogan
Where's my 50k?
eddie bravo
You made the decision right there.
I was smart.
unidentified
UFC Hawaii.
joe rogan
Damn.
UFC Hawaii would be the shit.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
I don't travel overseas, but I will fucking fly to Hawaii in a heartbeat.
I will definitely be there.
Let's make it happen.
How about we do a joint show up in that motherfucker.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
We missed.
How about we do a joint show?
How about we do a fight companion in Hawaii?
If they do a UFC in Hawaii, we all fly out to Hawaii and do some sort of a fight companion in Hawaii.
So even if I don't work the event, let's be in Hawaii.
Let's see if we can get a fight companion booth.
Let's just cut the shit.
bryan callen
Okay.
unidentified
This is what I'm thinking.
joe rogan
This is the kind of commentary I like doing.
So what we need to do is we need to treat the fight companion like an embassy.
Like we have our own special country rules.
unidentified
Slide.
Just put us right in there live.
joe rogan
Leave us alone.
eddie bravo
I want you to take this desk.
joe rogan
I want you to bring Jamie all the clutter.
eddie bravo
Bottles of wine.
All the clutter.
joe rogan
And let us do commentary.
You don't have to listen.
You've got other options.
You can listen to the corners.
unidentified
It's a choice.
joe rogan
You can listen to the corners, man.
unidentified
It's a choice, man.
Spanish options, right?
The Spanish option!
joe rogan
You can listen to it in Brazil.
You can listen to it in Portuguese.
unidentified
Then there's that green, lime green fight companion button.
eddie bravo
I think it would be cool in a suite.
joe rogan
We need to sit down with Dana White and have a fucking conversation.
eddie bravo
Wouldn't it be better if one of those group suites instead of ringside?
If we did it, that would be the best.
joe rogan
See, I think we should do it from like a fancy four season and watch it.
We could totally do that.
Or we could just keep doing it from here.
bryan callen
Or not get on a plane for five hours.
joe rogan
Do you imagine if they offered that in Fight Companion, if that was one of the options, like you get Fight Companion, or in Fight Pass, you get Fight Companion commentary.
eddie bravo
You know how big the ratings would go up?
They would have already contacted you.
They don't want to do that shit.
unidentified
No, they can't do it.
eddie bravo
It's too crazy.
They decided that it's not a good idea.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
eddie bravo
They decided long ago.
They're not on the fence.
unidentified
Pedophiles.
eddie bravo
They're not on the fence.
unidentified
We need to keep those motherfuckers away.
joe rogan
There's 42,000 people watching right now.
bryan callen
Damn, that many?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Hold on.
eddie bravo
42,000?
Is that a record?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I think the record is Alex Jones, right?
Yeah, it was like 60-something.
bryan callen
Jesus.
I forget people are even watching.
That's a lot at the stadium watching this right now.
joe rogan
Dude, how about Derek Lewis and Mark Hunt?
Look at that fight.
bryan callen
I should have done my hair.
joe rogan
Derek Brunson, Daniel Kelly.
Daniel Kelly might just be able to beat everybody.
There's something weird about that dude.
He has some weird old man thing going I can't figure out.
And the judo thing, man.
The competitor thing.
And the double knee braces.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
It's crazy.
His knees are fucked up.
I asked him about it the last time I interviewed him after a fight and he said if he wasn't fighting he would get surgery.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
He said but as long as they let him tape the fuck out of his knees.
Dude, he's like a mummy.
brendan schaub
All judo guys, like usually judo people I know, all their knees are fuck city.
joe rogan
Their knees get jacked.
Goddamn Max Holloway with some long ass punches.
unidentified
Look at how fast Aldo is.
joe rogan
Real champ, man.
Holloway with that fucking long punch, but Aldo countered him.
bryan callen
Oh, look at that right hand.
joe rogan
Dude, Aldo countered him and hit him some real good shots.
But that's it!
Right there.
unidentified
That's it.
Woo!
bryan callen
That's how good Max is.
joe rogan
You know what's crazy is- Look at this timing.
Ding!
unidentified
Woo!
brendan schaub
Some people thought maybe Cub Swanson would get the next shot, but Max fucking annihilated Cub.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you know what?
Here's what's important about this fight.
It's not just that Max Holloway did this, but that Max Holloway did this to Jose Aldo.
Max Holloway left no doubt in anyone's mind, this is the best 145 pound fighter on the planet Earth.
If you look at how Aldo got past Frankie Edgar, you look at how Aldo got past everybody except for Conor, and then you know that Conor's not coming down to 145 more.
That's the motherfucker right there, and he made it emphatic tonight.
unidentified
Holloway Frankie.
You're welcome.
joe rogan
Hey, I gift you that.
bryan callen
What in the world?
joe rogan
Don't you think that Yair Rodriguez has two forks in the road, right?
There's the fork of unrealized potential.
So he comes into this fight.
He's got BJ Penn behind him, right?
He annihilates BJ Penn.
He hits BJ Penn, one of the greatest of all time, Hall of Famer, with a 360 round kick to the neck.
That just doesn't happen, right?
And then he gets murked.
Destroyed.
He's not ready for this top five.
He's not ready, but he has two paths.
Either he can learn from how Frankie was able to take him down and beat the fuck out of him, and then figure out a way to never let that happen again, or be overwhelmed by the pressure of that loss and the circumstances and the sorrow.
Depends on his mindset.
It also depends on matchups.
I like Yair versus Holloway.
That's a great That's a great fight.
Very good fight.
brendan schaub
Because Holloway's not going to take him down, so just strike him for striker.
joe rogan
They're both big 45ers.
That's a great fight.
unidentified
I guarantee you...
It'd be damn near even money, I bet.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I guarantee you're going to see Max Holloway taking people down, too.
I think that dude is smart as fuck.
He ain't taking Frankie down.
He's not going to take Frankie down.
You're right.
But there's no really grapplers left.
He's an extra foot reach advantage.
But Joe, there's really a lot of grapplers left besides Frankie.
unidentified
You're right.
joe rogan
You're right.
Frankie's the big threat.
If you're a guy who can't stop a takedown, the number one threat is Frankie.
And why give him to Yair?
Why would you give him the one guy who could grab his ass off?
bryan callen
Yeah, but the UFC's still got to protect him.
I think Yair wanted it.
That's you eating your own young.
You're eating your young.
joe rogan
You say that, but then...
eddie bravo
You believe in protecting fighters?
You believe in protecting fighters?
joe rogan
You get a guy like Jon Jones.
Jon Jones, youngest ever, does a flying knee in his opening move against Shogun.
eddie bravo
Look what he did before that.
joe rogan
But that's what makes those guys...
bryan callen
That's a hard case, though, because...
joe rogan
Couple good fights.
bryan callen
It's a hard case because you don't give him to a grappler like Frankie knowing that the guy cannot stop that takeout.
Give him time to develop and give him the other guys who are very exciting strikers.
joe rogan
He's a star in quality.
John, before he won the title, had some very good fights.
unidentified
Big time.
joe rogan
But his real good fights were after he got the title.
unidentified
For sure, but he destroyed Brandon Vera, Matashenko.
joe rogan
Gustavo Gontez.
Yeah.
bryan callen
Cradled Ryan Barrett.
joe rogan
The Dantes fight, the Stefan Bonner fight was one of the most interesting ones.
Because he showed how creative he was.
When he picked up the single leg spinning elbow.
Yeah, he showed how creative he is, and he showed how fluid his movement is, and he just showed that he was on another level.
unidentified
But like, Yair really never got that, but also Yair, like, he had a split decision win over Bruce Leroy.
joe rogan
Right.
Very good point.
And then they're like, oh, here's Frankie Edgar.
eddie bravo
It's like, God, damn.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a very good point.
Because I feel like he felt so good after the BJ Penn fight, he felt like he had arrived.
And he's like, that Alex Caceres fight is out the window.
I'm fucking past that now.
And he might have been.
But he wasn't...
There's just...
There's levels.
There's levels.
You know how it is, man.
As Kendrick says, there's levels to this.
Everybody that knows anybody in any kind of martial art, whether it's boxing or wrestling or jujitsu, there's always people who overestimate their proficiency.
bryan callen
It's pronounced shushitsu.
I'm going to get some more Italian wine.
unidentified
Make sure it's fruity.
Quit that earthy shit.
bryan callen
This is your fruity?
That's your California?
I stay fruity.
The boys and I, we're hanging in Italy.
joe rogan
I'm fucking super impressed with Max Holloway, man.
unidentified
Super impressed.
Wow, me too, man.
Him versus Frankie, that's coming next.
joe rogan
Isn't he only 25?
How old is Max Holloway now?
I want to say he got into the UFC when he was either 20 or 21. Why not do UFC in Hawaii though?
unidentified
Because Hawaii and UFC go together like fucking peanut butter and jelly, man.
brendan schaub
They fucking love fighting because BJ. BJ started that, man.
joe rogan
Dude, listen.
I got a legit champ.
Yeah, and a legit champ that just beat arguably one of the greatest.
Look, I got to say Conor's the greatest 145-pounder of all time because he knocked out Aldo, who is clearly the greatest.
unidentified
13 seconds, yeah.
joe rogan
But in terms of who's got more victories, of course it's Aldo.
Body of work would be Aldo.
But the problem is, the ultimate question is, we're not doing MMA math here.
You're having two guys actually fight each other.
So if you said, like, who's the greatest of all time?
Well, it would have to be Aldo because he beat all these guys.
No, no, no, no, no.
Because the two of them fought and Conor murked them.
bryan callen
Correct.
joe rogan
So you've got to give it to him.
Otherwise, there's no other metric.
There's no other metric other than a knockout.
What happened when they went head-to-head?
It's the most important body of work when they fought head-to-head.
eddie bravo
You can't be penalized for beating someone easily.
I mean, like, you beat them too easily, so it doesn't count.
Oh, you got to really beat them down.
But this is what validates Conner's thing.
joe rogan
In the locker room, they show him do the exact combo.
It wasn't like a freak, like, oh my god.
brendan schaub
They show him, step back, throw the exact combo, and go, this is what's going to happen.
joe rogan
Yep, yeah.
And they also showed him do that front leg side kick to the leg.
It's nuts!
He created the distance, he was hopping in and out, and he wanted to slide back and counter with that left hand, and he hit it perfect.
He called it.
He's the best ever.
You have to say he's the best ever, even if he never fights featherweight again.
Why?
Because he KO'd the best ever.
The reality is Aldo's the best ever.
But Conor KO'd him.
You couldn't say without the Aldo fight that Conor was the best ever.
Because you look at all the different people that both of them fought, you're like, wow, it's really close.
It's really interesting.
But Aldo has more fights.
But then once they actually fight, that's it.
That's all that matters.
That's not MMA math.
It's not MMA math.
You're right.
It's a competition.
unidentified
They fought.
joe rogan
It is.
It's black and white.
And people will fight against it.
No, because Aldo was the champion for so many years.
You're 100% right.
His body of work is much more impressive.
And there's always going to be an asterisk next to Conor because, you know, there was just this one time he fought for the title at 145, KO'd Aldo.
unidentified
I was like, y'all be cool.
Y'all be cool.
joe rogan
I'm out of here.
And Yara says the belt, come get some.
eddie bravo
It's really clear.
It's really clear.
They're tied for the best ever.
And then what's the tiebreaker?
Oh, their fight.
They fought.
What happened in the fight?
You decide.
Now what?
joe rogan
But, you know what's interesting, Eddie?
eddie bravo
It's really simple.
joe rogan
But sometimes, like, you look at top tens.
You look at a guy who's number six, and then the guy who's number eight knocked him out in the last fight.
You're like, what in the fuck is going on?
They go off a body of work.
That's crazy.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
And then people also say, like, oh, that was an upset.
He got lucky.
Like, says who?
When a guy punches you in the face and wanted to punch you in the face and then punched you in the face, where's the luck?
What are you doing?
Are you rolling dice?
He caught him.
He caught him with the left hand that he hits.
eddie bravo
The fact that he wanted to punch him with.
To be in the argument of the best ever, like for Aldo to be in the argument and for McGregor and for anybody.
John Jones, like just to be in the goddamn argument.
joe rogan
Who's the best ever?
Is it Fedor or is it Anderson?
Who is it?
Those are the two arguments.
I've always been in the Anderson camp too.
unidentified
You don't think John Jones is in there?
joe rogan
No, not yet.
I think he still could be.
unidentified
Because of his body of work.
joe rogan
You're right.
But there's so many problems with that.
So many problems with that.
Off the field problems.
There's the OSP problem, you know, where he had a good fight, I think.
I think he performed well against a really dangerous, slick guy.
But he didn't put on a show.
brendan schaub
Okay, then Anderson Silva has the Damian Maia fight, the Thales Lades fight, those horrible fights.
joe rogan
Fedor had some boring-ass fights, too.
But Anderson had those earlier, and then he started dominating people.
And when you look at some of the crazy Anderson fights, like the Forrest Griffin KO, when you look at Anderson, like, motivated Anderson, when he's, like, in shape, and the James Irvin when he went up to 205. James Ervin.
I know, it's true, but when you see him as an assassin against Vitor Belfort, Vitor, who is super dangerous.
Who is super dangerous.
bryan callen
Vitor, TRT Vitor.
joe rogan
But go through John Shogun.
You know what I'm saying?
That's not true.
He wasn't TRT Vitor back then.
No, Vitor wasn't on TRT and became on TRT after he fought Anderson.
He looked different.
When he fought Anderson, he was like, he didn't look nearly as Jack.
John beat Vitor Belfort.
John beat TRT Vitor.
eddie bravo
What was Vitor, was Vitor when he was 19, is that still considered TRT Vitor?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
unidentified
No, that's Roided Vitor.
joe rogan
Yes.
He said that.
unidentified
That's Winstroll Vitor.
bryan callen
Yeah, he was 240. That's everything.
He's 240 with a size 9 shoe.
Size 9 shoe.
joe rogan
Eddie and I met his trainer way, way back in the day.
We used to call him garden hoses.
bryan callen
Dude, I remember him.
I remember him.
unidentified
What happened to that guy?
bryan callen
He died from steroids.
At 35 years old.
Joe and I were looking at him.
joe rogan
Pop like a grape.
bryan callen
Joe and I were looking at him at the airport.
Of course, but of course.
He's eating out of a can of tuna at the airport.
And he and I were watching him, and Joe goes like this.
Joe's looking at him, and Joe goes, He is the color of a plum.
eddie bravo
He died.
joe rogan
He's crazy, dude.
You've never seen anybody that color.
bryan callen
He was the color of a plum.
joe rogan
He was just a totally different color than a human's supposed to be.
He was like in everyone's corner.
Anderson Silva's with a fanny pack and just the color purple.
Eddie and I called him garden hoses because we worked out with him once.
And the dude had garden hoses for veins.
eddie bravo
I think that was his nickname.
joe rogan
Everybody called him.
eddie bravo
Yeah, I think that was his nickname.
joe rogan
I think we might have invented it.
Either you and I invented it.
eddie bravo
Shockingly.
joe rogan
But yeah, he died.
Too much gear.
This is when Vitor was in the Randy Couture fight.
So this was those days when Vitor looked like a lion.
He looked like a male human lion.
Like his neck started right about here and just came straight down and he was just super jacked.
When he fought Randy, he was like 240. He's fighting 185 now.
unidentified
And a tough 85. Just stop and think of that.
joe rogan
That is insane.
I mean, that's insane.
unidentified
That's not TRT, Vitor.
bryan callen
You remember the other fist fight?
joe rogan
Rockhold is TRT, Vitor.
bryan callen
Do you remember there was another fist fight in the stands?
Here's a trivia question for Joe Rogan.
There was a fist fight in the stands after Vitor lost to Randy Couture.
Do you remember who it was between?
joe rogan
Was that the one between Tank Abbott?
bryan callen
Nope.
joe rogan
No?
Who was it?
bryan callen
Nope.
joe rogan
Tank Abbott was always getting...
bryan callen
It was a fist fight between Vitor's mom and his girlfriend.
joe rogan
Who's that dude?
Is that Curtis?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there he is.
That's Mr. Hoes?
bryan callen
No.
Oh, is that him?
joe rogan
That's the dude.
unidentified
He was 35. Look at that vein across his shoulder.
joe rogan
Go big on his images.
unidentified
They're not all him.
joe rogan
But that's him.
Just go big.
Make it big.
Close it.
Sorry.
Look at the size of his fucking veins.
unidentified
Dude, we'd be at the gym with him and be like, how come we don't look like that?
joe rogan
That doesn't even look like a human.
That dude was so jacked.
eddie bravo
Do you see what's going on in his biceps?
joe rogan
Everything.
eddie bravo
You see right there, right where his elbow is?
Like, what is that?
It's like a...
joe rogan
It's like a steroid factory.
bryan callen
He took some stuff.
joe rogan
He took some stuff.
My fucking bicep is right bicep.
unidentified
Do you think he died of the steroids?
Because they always say no one's died from steroids.
bryan callen
No, your heart, it can fuck with your lipid levels and everything.
If you do it that much, God knows what he was taking.
joe rogan
That motherfucker's on cow blood.
bryan callen
Yeah, he was taking crazy shit.
joe rogan
People take a lot of crazy stuff.
They also take insulin.
And apparently that's really dangerous.
unidentified
That'll get you.
joe rogan
There's a lot of different stuff that they take.
bryan callen
Yeah, he took a lot of stuff.
joe rogan
But all of it is effective if you want to get to that fucking giant size.
You know what I'm trying to get on, man?
I got to contact him.
We've been going back and forth.
It's Dorian Yates.
unidentified
Ooh, that'd be fun.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, man.
I think he's going to be here in July or something.
eddie bravo
Does he talk openly about everything?
joe rogan
Yeah, he tells us dosages, says what he was doing.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
eddie bravo
Is he talking about still doing it now?
joe rogan
Well, he's on TRT now.
He talks about that.
unidentified
Because we had Phil Heath on, who's Mr. Olympia, seven-time Mr. Olympia.
joe rogan
And you can't bring up steroids?
No, we don't, huh, B? Come on, son.
Dorian Yates brings it up himself.
He wants to talk about it.
He's like, this is crazy.
Everybody should know what we're doing.
And Arnold, to his credit, Arnold says the same thing.
Arnold tells everybody about it, too.
bryan callen
Yeah, they were all, I mean, obviously.
joe rogan
There's no other way to achieve those sizes.
unidentified
Dude!
joe rogan
Arnold!
eddie bravo
Terminator's on gear.
joe rogan
Dude, there's no way to achieve those sizes if you're not taking something.
bryan callen
He's kind of still doing something.
eddie bravo
Hell yeah!
Arnold!
Remember when he saw those pictures of him on the beach?
unidentified
No, no, no.
bryan callen
He's fixed it.
eddie bravo
Oh, he fixed it.
Now he's in shape now.
Damn, he's gonna do Terminator.
joe rogan
You guys know he had heart surgery.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
That's when he looked disgusting on the beach.
That's what was going on.
I mean, he had to lay low, let his body recover.
unidentified
Did you ever see the picture of him in the hospital?
joe rogan
If you don't work out.
But he's bulked back up.
unidentified
Let's see what it looks like.
eddie bravo
That can't be him now.
That can't be him now.
joe rogan
Oh, he's Jack now.
eddie bravo
Oh my god!
unidentified
Holy shitballs!
eddie bravo
Dude, that can't be real.
bryan callen
No, he's getting help.
eddie bravo
Is that real?
bryan callen
Yeah, it's him.
joe rogan
No, he's jacked.
eddie bravo
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Him and Franco Columbo, that's real.
eddie bravo
Holy shit, he's back.
Look at him.
bryan callen
That's his son right there, right?
joe rogan
Well, you know what he's doing?
It's not the Mexican son.
bryan callen
Yeah, it is.
eddie bravo
No, this is a recent picture, you think?
bryan callen
You think this is recent?
joe rogan
That's at Gold's Gym, son.
What he's been saying is that he's been working out with Franco Columbo, and him and Franco Columbo travel around together, and they work out together.
bryan callen
Dr. Franco Columbo, sir.
joe rogan
Those dudes were the shit back in the day, and both of them are at it again.
eddie bravo
Well, both of them were on fucking the movie.
Is there a picture of them together?
joe rogan
Yes, there's a bunch of pictures of them.
He could blow up.
bryan callen
He could personally blow up.
Franco Columbus would do two things.
One is he could do dips.
eddie bravo
Oh shit, that's from that movie, right?
joe rogan
Pumpin' Iron.
Yeah, that's them in Pumpin' Iron, and then that was the other picture.
eddie bravo
Look at those arms, dude.
Look at his stomach.
bryan callen
He used to do dips with two girls hanging off his legs, and he can blow up one of those old-fashioned water bladders.
You know those ones you fill up?
joe rogan
Hot water bag.
bryan callen
Yeah, he can fill up, just blow into it.
joe rogan
Did they get the boys back together?
unidentified
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
Do you know what we're going through on the weekends?
joe rogan
Franco Colombo could make it explode.
bryan callen
Goddamn!
joe rogan
He didn't blow it up.
He blew it up and made it pop.
unidentified
Crazy!
joe rogan
He did it in like 30 seconds.
bryan callen
That's how strong he was.
joe rogan
Just with his power, his lung power, he was one of the most powerful bodybuilders, and he was one of the smallest.
He wasn't a big guy.
unidentified
guy.
That picture is super gay.
eddie bravo
Hey, fuck.
unidentified
Please.
joe rogan
My dick just gone.
What's stuck?
unidentified
Am I hard there?
joe rogan
I'm not even gay.
bryan callen
What's stuck?
joe rogan
If I was ever going to jerk off on a guy, most of the time I'm not thinking about it.
unidentified
You're saying Franco and Arnold, they go to a gym and they lift and people watch him?
joe rogan
They just go to the gym together, man.
Oh, that's cool.
Like if you and me went to the gym together.
They go to the gym together.
unidentified
Oh, that's cool.
bryan callen
Old guys.
Two old guys.
joe rogan
Just fucking went at it.
Like if me and Callan went to the gym together.
bryan callen
That's right.
We're getting old, buddy.
eddie bravo
Well, but Franco doesn't look like he's on anything.
joe rogan
We're on the way to those people.
bryan callen
Yes, we are.
joe rogan
Franco's not on any testosterone, though.
unidentified
He looks like your dad.
What the fuck?
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
You think he's hanging out with Arnold and he's like, okay, how many milligrams?
eddie bravo
Dude, bring up a picture of Franco right now.
unidentified
I got a question for you.
eddie bravo
I got a question for you.
bryan callen
You got a gun to your head.
Yeah, hold on.
joe rogan
We got two different conversations going on.
unidentified
Go ahead.
eddie bravo
I'm sorry.
joe rogan
You got a gun to your head.
eddie bravo
You got a gun to your head and you got to jerk off on any man's face on the planet.
Who would it be?
unidentified
Donald Trump?
joe rogan
No.
bryan callen
Hold on.
joe rogan
That would feel so...
bryan callen
Look at me right now.
As long as...
unidentified
As long as...
eddie bravo
You had to look at their...
You had to connect eyes.
bryan callen
Your eyes had to be locked.
So it wouldn't necessarily be my favorite American.
Would it be Hector Lombard?
He's not American, but thank you for the question.
unidentified
Don't say that.
joe rogan
Listen to me.
Look at me.
No.
Say no.
bryan callen
Hold on.
joe rogan
Absolutely not.
Nothing but respect for Heather.
Hector.
bryan callen
I love Hector Lombard.
I would never.
He's too much of a man.
unidentified
Well, no.
joe rogan
I say him because he finds him attractive.
eddie bravo
Who are you going to pick?
joe rogan
Don't even bring it up.
unidentified
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
Come to your head.
joe rogan
You don't want to.
bryan callen
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Don't do it.
bryan callen
I would never splooge on a guy that I respect to the level I respect for a lot of fighters.
unidentified
Jude Law.
eddie bravo
Okay.
unidentified
Jude Law.
bryan callen
As long as he ever do.
unidentified
Nope.
eddie bravo
Let's make great movies.
bryan callen
I like Jude Law.
joe rogan
I like Jude Law.
bryan callen
I know where you went with that.
joe rogan
He's a talented guy.
bryan callen
Now hold on.
eddie bravo
Johnny Depp.
unidentified
You want to bust on Johnny Depp?
joe rogan
He hit it.
He hit it.
unidentified
Johnny Depp.
bryan callen
Hold on, motherfucker.
unidentified
He's got to hold his hair up with one hand and look at me in the eye.
bryan callen
And I have to go like this.
I got to go, hey, listen, man.
unidentified
You fucking...
I spent $100 for every $100 on my movie.
bryan callen
You give me $2 back.
unidentified
I want my money back!
We gotta go back to him and the movie with Tom Cruise.
joe rogan
What was the 50s movie?
What was it called?
Outsiders.
Outsiders.
You gotta go back to him and the Outsiders.
I don't want to get too crazy.
I'm 50. 21 Jump Street.
eddie bravo
No, you can't get me a hate jerk.
bryan callen
It's not a H-shirt, but this is my one.
Because I'm 50, I don't have...
My process is a little bit...
I'm not shooting heavy.
unidentified
So you've got to get to right now, because it's just going to go...
eddie bravo
You've got a baby bird here.
unidentified
It's a little trip.
joe rogan
Here's the problem with Tom Cruise.
If you came on his face and you caught those teeth, Oh, I sure would.
Right?
The snaggle teeth.
bryan callen
Look at him.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
Is that real?
That's what he has to look like.
unidentified
Photoshopped teeth.
joe rogan
No, Brian used to have terrible teeth.
bryan callen
Damn it.
unidentified
Oh my god.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
No wonder he's a scientist.
I think they actually added a fake tooth.
Well, that's him after braces.
unidentified
He had braces when he was like 40. That'd be braces and veneers.
joe rogan
Yeah, because his teeth were yellow.
bryan callen
His teeth were also off to one side.
eddie bravo
I want to know the story of how he got in.
Is there a video out there about that?
joe rogan
Scientology?
eddie bravo
How did he get in?
Like what happened?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I think somebody recruited him from a movie.
bryan callen
He was good though.
eddie bravo
He was already in movies?
He was in TAPS. Oh my god.
I want to know how that happened.
I want to know the guy who made that happen.
That Leo Renny?
Who got him in?
joe rogan
She's going relentless on Scientology.
There's like season four.
eddie bravo
I got it.
joe rogan
Leah Remini, she did my podcast.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
She talked about it.
You know, when I first met her, she was deep in it.
She was with Kevin James.
She was on King of Queens.
And that's when I first met her.
And he was like, she's a Scientologist.
unidentified
I was like, whoa.
joe rogan
She's really nice.
She's very cool.
She's a cutie, too.
eddie bravo
A mind-control experiment.
That's all that is.
joe rogan
Well, somebody figured out how to control people a long time ago.
Until the internet came out.
It's called, come up with a set of rules and say that this is like, someone's looking out for this set of rules.
Whether it's God, or it's Buddha, or it's Odin.
bryan callen
Creative mythology.
joe rogan
All you do is do that, and people follow it.
unidentified
It's weird.
eddie bravo
The crazy thing is the stuff that...
It's nothing but reports of...
Child abuse.
joe rogan
There's a lot of child abuse in cults.
eddie bravo
It's horrible.
joe rogan
It's one of the big problems with cults.
Joey Diaz, his ex-girlfriends, was in a cult when she was a kid.
She said that the guy who was the head of the cult molested everybody.
bryan callen
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
Molested all the girls.
He wanted to fuck girls.
He just fucks all the girls.
Most of these cults, that's what happens.
bryan callen
Polygamy.
eddie bravo
That's not the crazy thing.
joe rogan
David Koresh.
eddie bravo
That's not the crazy thing.
David Koresh, they shut that motherfucker shit down.
We're allowing this to happen.
It's like we want it to happen.
It's like it's a CIA MKUltra experiment.
bryan callen
Wait, what do you mean?
joe rogan
When he got to that point in the show, ladies and gentlemen, well, I realized, oh my God, look at the time.
unidentified
Eddie.
joe rogan
Hey, give him a little more wine.
Let me feed the beast.
bryan callen
Let me feed the beast.
eddie bravo
I love him.
joe rogan
I don't know anything.
eddie bravo
I don't know shit.
I don't know anything.
How are they letting this happen?
When you look into it...
unidentified
You gotta look into it.
eddie bravo
Look into it.
joe rogan
I've been looking into it.
eddie bravo
Hey, think about this.
Think about how crazy that religion is.
unidentified
Yeah.
eddie bravo
Think about that.
joe rogan
Which one?
eddie bravo
And then think about how it's allowed to survive and thrive.
joe rogan
You're saying like Scientology?
Scientology?
Even better.
I'll do you one better.
Scientology doesn't have to pay taxes.
They figured out a way.
Hold on, I'll tell you.
I'll tell you the actual fact.
I'll tell you the actual fact.
They organized a massive lawsuit campaign against the IRS. And they said that if you can say that all these different religions, whether it's Catholicism or Mormonism, Mormonism has very questionable backgrounds.
Mormonism was started by Joseph Smith, who was a known con man.
I mean, Mormonism is...
Yeah, there's like...
He found it when he was 14. He said he found golden tablets that contained the lost work of Jesus, and only he could read them because he had a magic seer stone.
Like, when you look at the actual, you're talking about a guy who we know the guy, right?
So, Scientology was like, well, so fucking what?
If you can take that, if you take Mormonism, like, why can't we get tax-exempt status?
And they said, no, fuck you, you're not a real religion.
And they're like, bullshit!
If anything is a religion, We're a religion.
And in that sense, I support them.
I think all religions should have to pay taxes.
But I think that if anybody gets a free ride, Scientology should get a free ride, too.
If you're going to have this goofy loophole in, then they qualify just as much as the Mormons or Catholics.
So that's what happened, Eddie.
It was massive lawsuits.
And this is all, you could find it.
eddie bravo
I saw the HBO documentary.
joe rogan
They filed a shitload of lawsuits, and the IRS was fucked.
unidentified
You're talking about Going Clear, the doc?
joe rogan
It's amazing.
It's a great book.
The book's even better.
Because it goes into the history.
eddie bravo
It's being allowed to happen.
joe rogan
Everything's allowed to happen.
The thing is, no one can pay attention to everything.
Everything is allowed to happen all the time.
And then once we find out that something's happening, it's like, okay, now what?
bryan callen
You can't shut down a religion.
joe rogan
Well, you can't shut down anybody's freedom of speech.
If you have an ideology, your freedom of expression, your ability to gather and talk...
bryan callen
Which is good.
eddie bravo
I don't know shit.
All I know is if I had a country to run, I would start...
If I was running a country, I would start cults and have mind control experiments.
joe rogan
I would too, but I wouldn't have time in between negotiating oil deals and trying to figure out whether or not we should stay...
eddie bravo
I would make time.
joe rogan
I would make time.
Paris climate control.
I know what you're saying.
In a way, you're right.
eddie bravo
In my world.
joe rogan
In a way, you're right.
But no one has the time to do everything.
eddie bravo
There's not enough time.
joe rogan
To micromanage the entire world.
eddie bravo
They're too busy.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
It's just there's only so much shit.
You can let people take care of themselves.
eddie bravo
People got lives.
I get it.
joe rogan
You can let people take care of themselves.
eddie bravo
Illuminati got keys.
unidentified
They got keys.
bryan callen
I get it.
unidentified
It's not enough time for mind control experiments.
eddie bravo
There's too much shit going on.
joe rogan
Well, they definitely have done some mind control experiments, too.
That's what also part of the problem is.
eddie bravo
If I ran a country, I'm saying if I ran a country in this other dimension...
bryan callen
I have a question, Brady.
joe rogan
If I ran a country the way a comic book guy writes comic books...
I would definitely do that.
eddie bravo
Are you kidding?
This is what we're going to do.
You're going to start a religion.
And you're going to bullshit them this way.
And we're going to just watch them.
joe rogan
Who's this mastermind?
bryan callen
I want to know from you.
And you better tell me.
eddie bravo
My country would survive only 500 years.
joe rogan
You know it.
eddie bravo
You know it.
bryan callen
I have a question.
You better tell me this because I know you know the fucking answer, bro.
eddie bravo
As a dictator?
bryan callen
Brother, I want you to answer.
I think you got your finger on the nose.
I want to know right now on this podcast, who is running this country?
eddie bravo
I have no idea.
bryan callen
Come on, bro.
unidentified
I don't know.
bryan callen
Give me a little idea because I know you've got a fucking idea.
unidentified
I don't know.
bryan callen
Bro, you're playing dumb right now.
eddie bravo
I'm going to guess.
I'm going to guess.
unidentified
Go ahead.
joe rogan
Satan.
eddie bravo
Based on nothing but circumstantial evidence.
Satan.
joe rogan
Oprah.
eddie bravo
I'm going to guess.
bryan callen
Hold on.
eddie bravo
The people that control the banks.
I don't know.
bryan callen
Who would they be?
eddie bravo
Rothschilds?
I don't know.
unidentified
That's what I hear.
eddie bravo
I could be wrong.
Rothschilds could be a complete fabrication.
joe rogan
We looked up on the internet the other day, and the Rothschilds, the family, here's what's hilarious.
It's $1 billion to like $70 trillion.
700 trillion.
700 billion or trillion?
700 billion.
eddie bravo
What's this number?
joe rogan
What is it?
The amount of money they own, it's either 1 billion or...
Are they real?
eddie bravo
The Rothschilds real?
joe rogan
Oh, 100%.
eddie bravo
That's real.
joe rogan
Oh, 100%.
eddie bravo
There's a family that owns all the banks.
joe rogan
No, there is a family that has a considerable amount of money they pass down from generation to generation, and these younger generations have figured out how to not fucking...
eddie bravo
How much is it, Joe?
joe rogan
Is that real?
unidentified
How much is it?
joe rogan
We don't know.
eddie bravo
I don't know if it is.
That's what they say, but they could be lying.
joe rogan
They say between $1 billion and $700 billion.
unidentified
Snopes says $500 trillion.
eddie bravo
But do they even exist?
Do the Rothschilds even exist?
That could be a conspiracy.
bryan callen
Can I say one thing?
eddie bravo
The Rothschilds are a hoax.
bryan callen
One thing about the Rothschilds, when you talk about the Rothschilds and these different big families, there's one thing in common.
eddie bravo
It's a hoax.
bryan callen
Nope, follow me on this.
unidentified
They're white.
bryan callen
Nope, they're all Jewish.
And by the way, if you look at their roots, if you look at the roots of these, a lot of these rumors, a lot of these rumors and conspiracies, they start in the Freemason?
The Nazi camps and the ultra-right-wing camps and a lot of the anti-Semitic, you know...
eddie bravo
Are you giving me a history lesson?
joe rogan
No, it's not.
bryan callen
Are you giving me a history lesson?
That goes way back into Europe.
That goes way back with the Nazis.
So just be careful where these things come from.
You'll find that their roots...
I don't know.
No, I know.
I don't know shit.
But their roots a lot of times...
eddie bravo
I'm on YouTube.
bryan callen
Yeah, their roots sometimes start in really awful places.
I don't read books.
joe rogan
You should read a book every now and then.
eddie bravo
Hey, listen, I don't know.
bryan callen
Lawrence Wright, the guy who's had Going Clear and The Looming Tower, two very good books.
eddie bravo
I don't know what to believe, I don't know.
bryan callen
The Plant Paradox, which I'm reading now about food, very interesting.
eddie bravo
Unless it benefits me to believe something, unless I make money from it, like if I say, dude, you're a fucking idiot.
You're a fucking idiot!
You know, like, what if I believe this?
Dude, you could be fucking, your kids could be, go to college for free if you just believe this and just, if you just sign off and say you believe it!
Mike, uh, that's not what's gonna happen.
Is it illegal if I don't believe it?
Will I get thrown in jail?
No.
I don't want to believe shit.
If it doesn't hurt me, it shouldn't be such a big deal.
I don't know what to believe, man.
I don't know if the Rothschilds are real.
I don't know if reptilians are real.
I don't know if Satanism is real.
I don't know shit.
bryan callen
One thing I'd say is getting closer to the truth.
Can be achieved by looking at all the independent lines of inquiry, all the independent lines that come to one consensus.
unidentified
Are you sitting here trying to tell me how to come to the truth, Brian Callan?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
eddie bravo
Is that what you're trying to tell me exactly how to come to the truth?
unidentified
Well, no, no.
bryan callen
I'm just saying generally.
I'm speaking in general because I would never tell you to get close to me.
eddie bravo
Okay, okay.
bryan callen
Brother, come on.
Come on, man.
joe rogan
I'm talking to Joe.
Let me say this because I think this is really important.
One of the problems that I've had, me personally, I've had with any idea is that once I have an original idea or once I start looking at something a certain way, I become married to it.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
And I've had real problems with that.
bryan callen
All of us have.
There's confirmation bias.
I understand.
joe rogan
But I'm just saying, I've had real problems with that.
Like, personally, where I had to look at, like, what I believed and go, well, why do I believe that?
And why do I think...
And there's been a bunch of times, whether it's through Bigfoot or UFOs or...
I mean, I've looked at the JFK assassination a hundred different fucking times.
You know, there's been times when I said, well, maybe Oswald got lucky.
I mean, like, people do get lucky.
Like, I've shot...
The first animal I ever shot, I shot at 200 yards, and I probably shouldn't have hit it, and it dropped.
I could have fucked that up.
You know, you can, if you're aiming at something, pull the trigger and hit the President in the back of the head.
It is possible.
I don't think it did.
It seems to me more like some other shit was going on if you look at all the different pieces of evidence.
But I don't fucking know, man.
And the problem with saying this happened and that happened, which I used to do all the time, is that you don't fucking know.
You don't know.
You don't know.
And until you do know, when you say you know and you might be wrong, it becomes an ego thing.
So you can speculate?
bryan callen
Yes.
You can get closer to the truth.
You can approximate.
So if you hear scientists, they always say, it's so fascinating, scientists start always with doubt.
And what they do is they always say, if you really corner scientists, they'll say, well, this is the most likely, based on the data I've looked at, or the literature I've read carefully, this is the most likely possibility.
It's really interesting to hear how they talk that way, because with global warming or anything...
joe rogan
Have you heard Krauss?
bryan callen
Yes, Lawrence Krauss.
Yeah, listen, I've had him on my podcast.
I listened to the podcast you had with him and tried to read some of his book.
It was tough, but yes, I love him.
joe rogan
His book is rough, dude.
You just have to have a background.
Gauge symmetry, when he was going into gauge symmetry, and I fucked up by opening up my podcast, asking him to explain gauge symmetry.
bryan callen
I know, I know.
joe rogan
It's insane.
bryan callen
You know what I got from that?
joe rogan
It's theoretical physics.
It puts a hole in your head.
bryan callen
I got that there's a web, there's an invisible web, and when we come into contact with it, we become mass.
joe rogan
But we have to understand, as skeptical as we are of this shit, these are the same motherfuckers that put together the Large Hadron Collider.
They are spinning atoms just slightly under the speed of light, slamming them into each other, and recreating the very instances right after the Big Bang.
And they're doing that shit right now.
bryan callen
That's crazy.
joe rogan
There's a team of scientists from 100 different countries.
Thousands.
Thousands.
I feel like you can find out how many there is.
eddie bravo
Do you guys all agree that Nikola Tesla was a great scientist?
joe rogan
He was a genius.
He was a genius, but you've got to remember that Nikola Tesla lived in a world where he was so far ahead of the curve, and there's very few people that were able to compete with him or even understand what he was doing.
eddie bravo
Okay, do you know that if you go to YouTube and you punch a Nikola Tesla hoax fraud, nothing comes up?
joe rogan
That's amazing.
Makes sense.
But that's also a guy who lived in the 1920s.
eddie bravo
There's not anybody on the planet trying to say all that shit was bullshit.
There's no...
You go to YouTube, punch a Nikola Tesla, hoax, fraud, not one fucking video.
There's videos that come up that's saying something else was a hoax.
Nikola Tesla proves it.
Or, you know, Nikola Tesla proves hoax.
But not one video...
Of anybody ever saying Nicola Texel's off.
bryan callen
I feel like a guy like that.
eddie bravo
But, this is just a fact.
You can take it or leave it.
Put in Albert Einstein hoax fraud.
Endless videos!
joe rogan
Oh, Albert was a freak.
eddie bravo
Endless videos!
Wait a minute, wasn't Albert Einstein Time Magazine's Man of the Century?
joe rogan
How is that even possible?
I thought he was the smartest man in the world!
Hold on a second, let me just help you here.
You're getting very dramatic, so let me stop for a second.
If you put in Holocaust hoax, you'll get an equal number.
eddie bravo
I'm not talking about that.
joe rogan
But you know that's true.
If you put in Sandy Hook hoax, you get an equal number.
You get a tremendous number of people that think that a lot of very...
unidentified
But not Nikola Tesla.
eddie bravo
You're right.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
Why not him?
How about people that don't think that Richard Pryor was a genius?
Have you ever met a comic once that doesn't think Richard Pryor is one of the greatest of all time?
They don't exist.
eddie bravo
But are there videos of people trying to prove that he wasn't the greatest?
joe rogan
No, but I mean, look.
bryan callen
That he was a hoax?
eddie bravo
No.
There's nothing on Nikola Tesla.
joe rogan
I don't think that Einstein was a hoax, dude.
bryan callen
Correlation is not the same as causation, though, Eddie.
eddie bravo
Shit.
I don't know nothing.
All I know is there's nothing on Nikola Tesla.
Yeah, but it doesn't mean anything.
But there's thousands of Albert Einstein.
You look into his life, like, oh, shit.
unidentified
But is there anyone besides Nikola Tesla that doesn't have that?
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Is he the only guy, Eddie?
Well, Thomas Edison was always accused of stealing the ideas of Nikola Tesla.
In fact, Thomas Edison electrocuted an elephant in the middle of, like, what was it, the World Science...
bryan callen
Thomas Edison did?
Yes, he did.
Oh, Thomas Edison.
I thought you said Thomas Jefferson.
joe rogan
No, Thomas Edison electrocuted a fucking elephant because he wanted to prove that alternating and direct current, like ACDC, which was Tesla's idea.
bryan callen
There's video of an elephant being electrocuted, not by Thomas Edison.
joe rogan
No, but Thomas Edison did it.
The reason why he did it is to prove or to try to, like, it was propaganda against Tesla's ideas, which were more advanced.
He wanted a movable, like, he wanted there to be alternating currents.
eddie bravo
Tesla and Einstein were alive and kicking at the same time.
Tesla, there's quotes.
The quotes could be bullshit.
joe rogan
Tesla comes from several decades before Einstein.
eddie bravo
Clowning him in public.
He thought Einstein was a fraud.
That could be bullshit, but there are quotes that can be bullshit of Tesla.
They keep popping up.
Hold on.
There's quotes.
Tesla quotes saying the theory of relativity is basically a joke.
bryan callen
There's Tesla quotes of that.
unidentified
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
What I'm saying is it could be bullshit, but it keeps coming up.
bryan callen
Well, no, no.
We know that the theory of relativity is used, right?
So that we know that that's not so much a theory anymore.
But here's what I think that he's addressing.
So Einstein, from what I have read, is Einstein was a great mind, but he was coming up at a time where he got most of the credit.
He became a famous scientist when there were A lot of scientists working on very similar ideas.
eddie bravo
He was an average scientist who got blown up.
bryan callen
And contributing to the larger debate about quantum physics, right?
joe rogan
There was also a big debate about their methods, whereas Tesla was a big fan of experiments.
Einstein was a big fan of equations.
And one of the big criticisms...
eddie bravo
One of the big quotes, he goes, scientists of today...
joe rogan
What is this?
Tesla's overrated, debunking the cult of Tesla.
Tesla's a popular figure in conspiracy culture.
What is it saying?
What is he saying?
eddie bravo
He says Tesla is not real.
unidentified
He said right here, he says Tesla was a popular figure today, but he's also a self-publicist, and this is the stuff he didn't invent.
joe rogan
He did not invent Alternate and Current.
He just was one of many people working on it.
Okay, but he's probably one of the forefront minds, right?
Being a showman, helped popularize the Jews.
He's so good at that, eventually he had to...
I don't know if he's right or not.
eddie bravo
Dude, he's shitting on Tesla.
unidentified
He's the only guy ever.
Eddie said there's no one saying anything against him, but there is.
eddie bravo
But Mick West is always against...
He's a 100% official story.
He's not against...
He doesn't believe in that one conspiracy.
joe rogan
No, you're right, 100%.
And that's one of my, the only criticism I had about that guy.
Like, when we talked about the Gulf of Tonkin, he doesn't want to even admit that Gulf of Tonkin was a false flag.
Tower 7, he can't.
eddie bravo
Tower 7's obvious.
joe rogan
Also, Operation Northwest, he was trying to downplay.
I'm like, look, man, whether or not you know what happened in any other place, you know the Joint Chiefs of Staff wrote down a memo saying, the plan was to have Guantanamo Bay attacked by Cuban friendlies that were going to give them guns, give them bombs, have them attack American civilians.
eddie bravo
What did he say?
joe rogan
He was like, well, it never was implemented.
I was like, it doesn't matter.
They signed it.
Kennedy had a veto.
Yes, but Kennedy vetoed it.
That's why those checks and balances are in place.
No, no, no.
The mindset behind the type of person that would want to blow up Americans and blame it on the Cubans so we could justify a war with Cuba.
unidentified
The founding fathers knew that, though.
bryan callen
The founding fathers knew that there would always be people within the government that would do anything they could, and so that's where the checks and balances.
joe rogan
Right, but they don't always go through perfectly.
That's, I mean, if Nixon was Reagan, Or, I mean, if Kennedy was Reagan or Kennedy was Nixon, he might very well have let that slide.
Who knows?
I mean, a different person in a different circumstance with a different view of the world could have let the Joint Chiefs of Staff pull that through.
So that shows you the mindset.
So the mindset's undeniable that people absolutely do conspire.
So when you're a guy who never believes in conspiracies, you do just as much damage as a guy who always believes in conspiracies.
bryan callen
Well, so Alexander Hamilton said that it's not just a king you have to worry about, it's your actual government that's been elected.
So just because your parliament, he was using parliament as an example, just because parliament was voted in doesn't mean that small group of people will not get power hungry and drunk.
So therefore, you've got to have all these checks and balances.
You've got to have courts.
You've got all kinds of things.
And you have to have a Senate and a House of Representatives.
This is where these ideas came from.
That's what the genius of those fucking guys were.
joe rogan
Well, it's the only thing right now that's keeping Trump from instituting his travel ban, doing a lot of their...
It's incredible.
But even with those checks and balances, he's still able to cut back the EPA budgets, withdraw us from the Paris Climate Agreement.
So there's a lot of weird shit that goes on that they didn't anticipate.
But what they did anticipate, they did put enough checks and balances that's keeping one person from just completely dominating the thing with their ideology.
bryan callen
Because they knew.
They came from monarchies, those guys.
They came from monarchies.
They knew that no matter who you are as a human being, whether you're democratically elected or you're divinely elected like the king was in Europe, you are going to take advantage of your power.
You're gonna get drunk with power.
It's very human.
And to want to have control over other people and do for them what they don't know is What is best for themselves?
joe rogan
Look at the world, man.
Look at whether it's Libya or look at North Korea or look at it.
People want to dominate the people around them.
They've been doing it since the beginning of time.
If you don't think they're doing it right now, you're fucking crazy.
The question is, what is the absolute objective Thing that's happening here like the objective view of what's happening here That's where it gets real tricky for all of us whenever we say we know that something's happening when I There's no way you can know and I know that there's no way you can know so now we have a really tainted conversation Because we're not looking at this whole thing honestly whether it whether whether whatever the fuck it is Whether it's aliens or life after death or anything.
I need to absolutely fucking know that you're being honest and And as soon as I don't think you are, or if I think you're trying to gain power, as soon as you see a politician give some bullshit fucking speech where you know that they're giving this canned cadence, this nonsense rhetoric, and you know as soon as they get in that they're gonna give in to the fucking special interest groups.
It's happened with Trump, it's happened with Bush, it happens with everybody.
It happened with Obama.
bryan callen
That's why a free press, that's why a free press from all different angles is so important.
Uncensored press.
And that's why it's called the fourth estate.
Man, that keeps fucking power in check.
Transparency.
unidentified
It does.
bryan callen
And that's the other thing.
The other problem is that when government grows, which it always has a tendency to do, what does government do?
It taxes and passes laws.
Two very coercive measures.
You keep growing government, here's what happens.
It doesn't get more powerful, it gets more powerful, but also more people are dependent on it.
More people are feeding from the public trough.
And then it becomes really hard to get rid of it.
It's really hard to get rid of a government program once it starts.
Because a cottage industry grows up around it.
joe rogan
That's the big problem they have right now with prisons.
There's so many fucking prisons and then they start prison guard unions passing laws.
They start lobbying to get laws passed to keep marijuana illegal, to make sure their prisons are filled.
Because these prisons become generators of money.
They don't become places where people are enslaved.
Dude, it's so fucked up.
bryan callen
So your politician's not going to say anything that's going to not grow that industry.
That's too much pressure.
As a politician, you spend 40% of your time raising money from strangers for your next election.
unidentified
What about that conspiracy theory about...
brendan schaub
Hip-hop and rap, gangster rap, being created to promote crime to get more people wrongs.
unidentified
That came from artists.
It's an actual conspiracy theory.
joe rogan
You know what the real fear is, Eddie?
That's white people alone in their Long Beach apartments trying to figure out what they're wrong.
eddie bravo
Are there private prisons?
People are profiting off prisons, right?
bryan callen
Yes.
eddie bravo
If they have anything to do with...
joe rogan
Hold on.
eddie bravo
If they have any connection to the entertainment world...
joe rogan
Okay, but here's the problem with that timeline.
The private prisons weren't really that popular back then.
bryan callen
This is the 70s.
joe rogan
Private prisons were popular.
The rap music really came up.
The original rap music wasn't even...
unidentified
No, no, no.
eddie bravo
Gangster rap.
It was gangster rap specifically.
joe rogan
N.W.A. We're talking like 80, 80, 80, 90. No, it came before that.
bryan callen
It came from when the Bronx was on fire.
eddie bravo
No, don't push me because I'm close to the edge.
Specifically gangster rap though.
joe rogan
The conspiracy thing.
eddie bravo
Yeah, the conspiracy.
joe rogan
They took it to the next level.
eddie bravo
It's saying that the gangster rap from Compton and all that shit.
bryan callen
But it came from New York, man.
It came from when the Bronx was a gangster rap.
eddie bravo
Well, that's where rap came from.
That's where rap came from.
joe rogan
Gangster rap, though, came from Compton.
eddie bravo
Yeah, rap came from New York.
joe rogan
The whole story with the Sugar Hill Gang and I. It's pretty undeniable that Ice-T and N.W.A. and Ice Cube.
That's gangster rap.
Yeah, that's gangster rap.
eddie bravo
Think about that album.
joe rogan
The game.
eddie bravo
N.W.A., Niggas for Life.
He's more new, but yeah.
Do you guys remember that album, Niggas for Life?
That's what it was called.
unidentified
N.W.A. You can say it.
eddie bravo
They killed hookers.
They had little skits in between the songs.
And they had a song about gang raping a 14-year-old in a drive-in.
bryan callen
That's what, yeah.
eddie bravo
They had a song about that.
She swallowed it.
unidentified
How did they get away with that?
bryan callen
Because we hadn't evolved.
We didn't know what it meant.
brendan schaub
Dude, Straight Outta Compton had Kill the Police.
joe rogan
You remember that?
eddie bravo
Yeah, that's right.
Fuck the police.
bryan callen
Wasn't that Public Enemy?
unidentified
No, that's NWA. Public Enemy had some hard songs.
eddie bravo
They got away with a lot of shit.
joe rogan
God, man.
eddie bravo
Fuck the police!
That's the worst thing you could say in a song!
brendan schaub
They got arrested for it at a concert, saying fuck the police stormed the stage.
bryan callen
But you're jumping, when you talk about the gangster rap in L.A., you're kind of jumping up, right?
joe rogan
You're not.
unidentified
Gangster rap started in Compton, California by N.W.A. Who are the gangster rappers in New York?
eddie bravo
It wasn't gangster rap, it was just hard rap.
unidentified
It was hip-hop.
eddie bravo
It was hip-hop.
bryan callen
Okay.
eddie bravo
And then there's sip-hop and then there's gangster rap.
bryan callen
It's N.W.A. In other words, I'm shooting you and all that stuff.
eddie bravo
And I say it one more time, I'm gonna freak out.
Gangsta L.A. Compton.
bryan callen
Hey, I don't know, man.
joe rogan
No, you don't, but you pretend you do.
bryan callen
I'm out of my lane.
No, I'm asking!
unidentified
It started in Compton.
eddie bravo
We're not talking about N.W.A. We're not talking about Poverati.
bryan callen
Pavarotti.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
Is Pavarotti still alive?
Is Pavarotti still alive?
Yes.
bryan callen
He's not.
He died.
Pavarotti died.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
He was greatness.
I saw him sing in person.
Really?
eddie bravo
Live?
bryan callen
Yes, I did.
eddie bravo
Holy shit.
bryan callen
And he sang Nessun Dorma, which you should really listen to it.
Nessun Dorma, no one sleeps.
Listen, please.
No one sang that song for eight years at the Met because they couldn't hit that fucking note.
And that dude hit it and...
I got two things to say.
Nassim Dormit and the Plant Paradox, you motherfuckers.
And the greatest restaurant in the world, Via Veneto down in fucking Venice.
If you don't go there, you're fucking lost.
unidentified
I've been plugging people nonstop on our show and this show.
bryan callen
It's so weird.
I can't help it.
There's certain things I get obsessed with and that's it.
That's one restaurant I love.
You know what it is, bro?
joe rogan
You're fucking selling out in Australia.
He's never been to Australia.
He's starting to feel insecure.
So you get shout outs to restaurants.
bryan callen
You're triggering me, dude.
joe rogan
I'm trying.
Shout out to Outback and Calabasas.
bryan callen
Fuck you, man!
joe rogan
Shout out to Max Holloway running Hawaii with an iron fist.
unidentified
For real.
joe rogan
Shout out to Max Holloway.
Let's bring this bitch home.
bryan callen
How about this, guys?
Let me give this to the people watching.
How many people?
48,000?
joe rogan
You've earned this.
There's a couple of people listening.
Probably less now.
How many we got now?
Probably less now with the Soraya's talk and the government talk.
As soon as we hit government talk, we drop about ten.
bryan callen
Sorry, guys.
joe rogan
We drop about ten.
bryan callen
I brought it to a halt.
joe rogan
Fox News kills ratings.
unidentified
I love Fox News!
eddie bravo
I don't watch Fox News!
joe rogan
That's another trigger, you motherfucker!
unidentified
No, I get why you would read it, but Joe doesn't have that.
joe rogan
that so why would you tell people are listening I want to help you guys don't even remotely commiserate like bitch I ain't got that problem Save that for someone, man.
bryan callen
God damn it.
joe rogan
I want to say this.
We're going to wrap this up, but I want to say this.
Sometimes we have these podcasts and shit gets crazy and we get heated and we start smoking pot and we're drinking and there's a wrong impression that some people get that we don't love each other.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
We don't have the best time.
No matter what we agree or disagree on, I think it's...
It's important.
eddie bravo
It's just like family, man.
I've had a lot of arguments with my brother and my cousins and stuff, and it's like, you know, you are mad, and you are going back and forth, and I'm like, fuck that.
You said that, and you said this, but when it's all said and done, man, it's all love.
bryan callen
And I'll say something.
joe rogan
I think it's good, because I respect your opinion.
I respect your opinion.
I respect everyone in this room's opinion, and I think it's very important, even if you don't agree with someone's opinion, to be confronted by it.
Because I think if everybody just, look, we've all been around that one person or many people, like especially like old-time celebrities, celebrities that are famous in like the 70s and the 80s and shit when there was no internet, and then they just never felt this need to check themselves.
You know, they were never informed and I think that one of the best things about having a group of friends like you guys and like all of our comedian friends and I think all of our jujitsu friends too and I think that's one of the things that kind of ties it all together.
You get a different group of humans who've experienced a lot of weird shit, a different group of...
and you have a different point of view than me on a lot of shit, whether it's MMA, You and I have had spirited discussions about shit that we agreed or disagreed on the entire time we've been friends.
But you can do that.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And still be cool to each other.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I think that's what's really important.
bryan callen
I think also the great thing about friendships after you get to be my age anyway and you spend a lot of time with people is that this is getting very...
I want some violin music, but this is serious.
A little music, a little music.
joe rogan
I feel like I have to come up with something.
bryan callen
You're coming up.
No, here's what I want to say.
joe rogan
Hey man, we're learning how to be friends.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
They get to a point with friendship.
You know, where, and I was thinking about this with you, like, you could do pretty much anything, you're never not gonna be my friend no matter what.
The only thing that would maybe question is if you hurt a child, God forbid, or if you were torturing animals in your basement, then I'd be like, oh, fuck you!
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
I would 100% help you bury somebody.
bryan callen
Exactly.
That's exactly right.
joe rogan
I'll take a risk.
I'll take a risk.
I mean, there's a fucking small handful of people that I would call if I murdered somebody.
They're in this room.
Yeah, it would be a burner phone, though.
You call me first.
unidentified
You call the loyal dog first, because I'd do it.
joe rogan
Listen, we're all good.
bryan callen
He'd get scared and go, I have a tummy ache.
unidentified
Yeah, don't call me.
bryan callen
I got a tummy ache.
joe rogan
My Malinois is only six months old.
I can't leave them home.
bryan callen
My dog's afraid.
joe rogan
I got a lot of living to do, bro.
bryan callen
Who's the first guy you call?
Your dog right here.
joe rogan
Last time we did one of these podcasts, we got 10 million downloads.
What?
eddie bravo
Is that a lot?
joe rogan
It's probably the biggest thing other than the Alex Jones episode.
eddie bravo
Alex Jones still number one?
joe rogan
Alex Jones number one.
And the Alex Jones episode is one of the best pieces of evidence that there's some potential opening for some sort of a conspiracy to keep some people down.
Because the Alex Jones episode, not only did it get more downloads than any podcast we've ever done, ever, but it got more by, like, What, four million?
bryan callen
The deep state couldn't keep him quiet!
joe rogan
Five million?
Four million?
bryan callen
The deep state couldn't fucking silence him!
joe rogan
It's up to fifteen million.
But no, here's what they did do.
And I don't think that they did...
Look, it could be a catastrophic coincidence, but during the time when the Alex Jones episode went We're running through the charts of our downloads.
Like, what we get.
Like, if I have a number, like, this is my number one, this is my number two.
The Alex Jones is five million downloads ahead of everything.
unidentified
It's clouded on us.
joe rogan
Now, here's the crazy thing.
iTunes ratings went down, and I don't think they went down on purpose.
I don't think they went down on purpose.
All right.
Look at Eddie.
bryan callen
Eddie just cocked his ear.
joe rogan
But they coincidentally...
unidentified
I don't know shit.
joe rogan
This is what's undeniable.
They coincidentally went down the very time that the Alex Jones podcast was rampaging through.
bryan callen
Fucking deep state.
joe rogan
Now, my podcast oftentimes reached number one on the iTunes charts in terms of like the podcast episodes.
Oftentimes, if it's Lawrence Krauss or Sam Harris or, you know, maybe even this.
God bless you.
So when that does happen, I got to say, well, if a podcast got five million downloads more than any podcast I've ever done, Ever!
For sure, that one's going to be number one.
iTunes said not up in here.
Not only was it not number one, but...
Hold on.
What's going on here?
What do you got here?
eddie bravo
Maybe iTunes is being gangster like that.
Hold on.
You better shut the fuck up.
joe rogan
What, Jamie?
unidentified
Currently number three and four overall.
joe rogan
Okay, we are.
The episodes.
The Alex Jones podcast never got past number 20 or something crazy.
eddie bravo
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, not only that, but the ones after it and the ones before it, they got way less downloads.
We're all ranked higher.
All ranked higher.
bryan callen
Do you think it's because, because I listened to that, and you guys got so fucking crazy toward the end.
joe rogan
Interdimensional shot molesters.
bryan callen
Oh, you guys got, you all got completely nuts.
I had turned you guys off.
I listened to two hours, and I was like, well, now we're in fucking crazy.
eddie bravo
I loved it.
joe rogan
We didn't even get good until hour three.
bryan callen
No, I probably listened to almost three hours, and I was like, oh no.
And I think people turned, they went, oh, they're too drunk.
You guys got too drunk.
To be honest with you, you got too high and drunk.
joe rogan
I was fine.
eddie bravo
People got fucking pissed at me.
People got...
I've never had so much heat publicly.
Cholos and shit got mad at me.
Gangbangers.
A gangbanger got fucking mad at me.
bryan callen
Alex Jones, he started thinking, he started going, I'm going to tell you what Trump told me.
And then you guys just go off on another fucking dance.
eddie bravo
I'm like, tell us what the fuck he said!
joe rogan
But he was high, but that's what Alex does.
Alex would tell you one subject that'll turn corners.
George Soros making the marijuana stronger.
And then next thing you know, it's the astronauts really did land on the moon.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
But the problem was they found aliens there.
bryan callen
Like, hey, hey, hey, hey!
eddie bravo
Relax.
unidentified
Have you ever seen this?
eddie bravo
Relax with that.
joe rogan
He goes back and forth and back and forth.
unidentified
Even if I was going, damn, you're doing so well.
joe rogan
What was the one thing that got you?
unidentified
Fuck.
There was one thing in the middle of the podcast where Eddie stepped back and went, wait, Wait, wait.
eddie bravo
You believe what?
unidentified
I remember that!
eddie bravo
I remember that!
Because this whole time, this whole time, I'm the crazy motherfucker saying all this crazy shit.
And I go, one of these days, he's been friends with Alex Jones since fucking 1998. He should have been on, Alex Jones should have been on episode three or four or five.
He ended up being 911. Finally!
I waited all this time.
joe rogan
I knew what I was doing.
eddie bravo
Finally waited all this time.
I go, oh shit.
I even asked Joe.
I go, dude, let me fucking jump on that bitch.
I never do that.
I never do that.
I did that for Paul Stanley and Kiss.
It didn't work out.
joe rogan
I thought I was going to be gone.
eddie bravo
I had the date different, but I was in town.
And I said, I can't make it.
I'm going to be out of town.
But it turned out.
bryan callen
You were good, though.
eddie bravo
But anyways, I showed up and I'm thinking, finally, someone else...
It's gonna just talk for me.
And for the first hour, I didn't say shit.
I didn't say nothing.
I didn't say nothing.
I'm taking all this chemtrails shit.
I take a lot of chemtrails shit.
And me and Alex Jones have talked about chemtrails and he knows a thousand times more about chemtrails than I do.
He has the documents memorized in his head.
He's got a photographic memory.
So I finally talked after an hour and let him go.
He wowed the whole world.
Everyone's like, oh shit.
Oh shit, we're getting fucked here.
We are getting fucked.
And then I decided to bring the chemtrails up.
And he didn't want to talk about it.
He wanted to talk about Trump.
He wanted to keep going Trump and I wanted to go chemtrails.
And I got kind of pissed.
I was like, fuck, I've been waiting this whole fucking time.
joe rogan
Why are you so obsessed with chemtrails?
What is it about chemtrails?
eddie bravo
It's just air.
I don't know.
It's just air.
For some reason, I think air is important.
joe rogan
It's just 1025. I've got to get out of here.
I've got to spot the store.
bryan callen
You've got to spot the store.
unidentified
Let's end on that shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I got a spot at the store.
Anybody working tonight?
You guys working?
I'm off to Australia tomorrow night.
There's only tickets left in Sydney and Auckland.
Hold up.
When are you doing stand-up?
You know you're doing stand-up.
We've got to do this.
We've got to make this happen.
eddie bravo
Dude, I'm ready to go.
I know!
I write all the time.
joe rogan
I write all the time.
eddie bravo
I told Sam Tripoli, I go, dude, put me on a secret little tiny up belly room show.
I just want to go up there.
I don't want to tell anybody.
joe rogan
This is what we're going to do.
eddie bravo
I've got five minutes.
unidentified
Easy.
joe rogan
I'll do a Wednesday.
I do Wednesdays at the Ice House all the time.
Next Wednesday, I do it at the Ice House.
Go up.
Commit to it.
eddie bravo
When is it?
joe rogan
We'll figure it out.
eddie bravo
Not this Wednesday.
joe rogan
I'll book it.
I'll give you plenty of time.
Five minutes.
eddie bravo
Is that normal?
joe rogan
Yes.
eddie bravo
Still normal?
On open mic night, it's three.
Five minutes is normal.
joe rogan
It's three.
They give you three at the open mic night at the Comedy Store.
We'll do five.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, that's it.
Yeah.
Sydney, Australia.
Melbourne, Australia.
Sydney and Auckland, New Zealand.
Only tickets left.
unidentified
tfatk.com.
joe rogan
This week, Irvine.
bryan callen
June 8th, 9th, and 10th, Irvine Improv, you fuckers.
joe rogan
Best comedy club.
Fucking amazing club.
Edge Bravo, what's going on?
eddie bravo
You know what?
I got a mix flick coming out.
Mix flick of death and devotion.
It's a compilation of a bunch of music videos based on the best movies ever.
Dropping Tuesday on my YouTube channel.
Check it out.
joe rogan
Talking shit and telling jokes.
Till the air stops coming out.
See you soon.
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