Everlast and Joe Rogan debate North Korea’s authoritarian control, dismissing media sensationalism like Melina Trump’s handshake rejection as manufactured outrage while critiquing U.S. politics as corrupt "gang rivalries" fueled by tax extraction. Everlast shares his struggles—raising daughter Layla with cystic fibrosis, questioning conspiracy theories (e.g., CIA’s $540M ISIS funding), and defending hip-hop’s legacy against "mumble rap." They praise Bernard Hopkins’ toughness and critique modern boxing’s politics, like Trump’s protest-driven base and corporate election interference. Everlast urges unity over divisive tribalism, calling comedians the most trusted truth-tellers, and jokes about his "Great American Worry Diet" post-heart surgery. The episode ends abruptly due to time, leaving Rogan’s affection for Everlast as its final note. [Automatically generated summary]
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And I still got like 40,000 followers and you got like 4 million.
One of the reasons I love it so much, too, is it's like, you go to Europe, you don't feel foreign, necessarily.
You know what I mean?
It's really the foreigner experience when you're there.
Like, I am the obvious outsider.
I'm taller than most people, and I'm Caucasian, you know, and there's a lot of places there.
Like, I'd try to go to, like, I'd get the lowdown on a sushi spot from somebody that I knew there, and then you'd go there and be like, oh, no, no, Kaijin, we don't serve y'all here.
Like, still places like that, you know what I mean?
When you try and get the down-low Anthony Bourdain treatment, like, if you ain't...
If you ain't Anthony Bourdain, you might not have no luck.
They're so different than us in their culture that it's like this crazy immersion into an alternative world.
Japanese writing is so different than American writing.
Their language is so different than the sound of English that when you go there, you're like, wow.
I'm literally peering into...
Co-existing alternative world like what if every look of what if there was no?
Different languages.
It was just language like everybody knew what everybody spoke, right?
And your language was this the sounds that they make and the way they interpret things and the way they interpret things Shapes the way they look at reality.
Sure.
That's I mean It's a we're like our culture is in a lot of ways almost like an operating system.
I think Terrence McKenna I think it kind of makes sense.
Yeah, we learn a basic set of parameters and rules that we all kind of, yeah, we're all individuals within it, but like, there's, you know, hey, you know, in this society, this is what's acceptable and this is what isn't, and here's how we peer it.
And then when you see something, like we were talking about this book, Dear Reader, Michael Malas, who was on yesterday, who was just an amazing podcast guest, but was talking to us about North Korea.
Like, that's a different, totally different operating system.
And that shit is going on right now.
Right now, there's like a whole country that's in prison.
Trying to revolutionize or start a revolution or buck up and make a coup would be a problem, because I think the old guys around them are even crazier.
When the new president was elected and he became president, we all kind of sat back and said, okay.
That's our president.
We're not even going to get into dude.
I'm talking just as a principal.
We all sat back and said, okay, let's give the guy a shot at least.
And again, I'm not even interested in getting into the individual in question.
That doesn't exist anymore.
It's like the minute this dude's president...
The next fucking campaign starts!
It's just fucking crazy!
Is it as crazy as I think it is, Joe?
Or am I just sitting at home in a dad world of taking care of these babies and going on tour and I just turn on the TV and it blows my fucking mind, dude.
I mean, there's a weird line that's happening now, too, and this isn't really even a criticism, but Newsweek had an article that they tweeted, and the article shows how Melina rejects Trump's hand.
He's aware that there's been a lot of criticism, and he's trying to iron things out.
But what he's doing is he's taking this approach that he's made, become this real estate magnate, this big tycoon, big businessman, which is like, he was always this...
Rambunctious sort of flamboyant personality, right?
He always put his name and gold letters on these buildings and we didn't mind that when he wasn't running the country Just when you run the country and you start doing the same stuff like the criticism that he's getting is kind of You can't kind of do the same thing when you're the president you can't like talk about how shows are number one It's a bigger than yourself thing.
Yeah, they cripping and blooding out here hard, man.
Hard for their parties, and it's stupid because none of them care about you.
None of them want anything from you but more of your tax money, no matter how much they're going to tell you they're going to cut your taxes.
You know what I mean?
They're going to find a way to fucking get that money.
They might make it look good to you, but hey, guess what, middle class family, $36,000 or whatever.
Here's...
Two grand, you don't have to pay in taxes a year, which seems a lot when you're in that level of living, you know what I mean?
I blow that on fucking sneakers, I'm ashamed to say.
You know what I mean?
But the point is they don't give a fuck because they just stole it out the back end of your healthcare or they just took it off the top of not rebuilding all the roads.
This is their game.
They run the game.
And so these motherfuckers come up with some shit where money comes out of the politics.
I would like to think that some of them have your best interests in mind that there's just a crazy competitive system and that we maybe Maybe it's just what the system makes.
The system kind of makes corruption because of lobbyists, because of the way it's set up.
But there comes a time, and there's been a few of them lately in recent history, where there should have been an overwhelming condemnation by a smaller group of that group's actions.
It was more like, honestly, I mean, it was a choke hold, but it was more like the way he was applying it was like a restraining thing more than it was, I want to see it.
Let me see it again.
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
But without a doubt, the forearm is under the neck.
Like, if I was calling it in a fight, I would say, this guy's getting choked.
Well, I mean, honestly, let's not even go down the road, but the point of this conversation, I believe, was just saying like, oh, that overwhelming larger number of good folks, whether it's cops, politicians, soldiers, whatever.
I do believe that exists, that the majority of them are decent, good people.
But when the shit hits the fan, they don't collectively say, that's wrong and that's fucked up.
No, they all band together and say, alright, we'll try and bury this and hide it or just deny it.
And that, as a group, loses you respect when People that are interested in justice and interested in fair play and interested in that see these things happen.
They lose faith.
And I think there's no faith in anything right now.
The way I see the division in this country, there's no faith in anything.
It exists, whether it's Democrat versus Republican, it's the same shit.
Vegans versus carnivores, it's the same shit.
People pick a fucking team and they fight for it, and they think they're right, and they have many, many good reasons for thinking they're right.
But I think All of us are way better off if we're taught about these team ideas early and recognize when you see them in yourself and do some self-governing and avoid those.
Avoid those and we'll find common ground on a lot more shit than we think.
It's pretty much, we can sum that up, but think for yourself.
Yeah.
Especially when you're bombarded the way we are now.
That's another thing about how we started this conversation is how do you know what the fuck is really true?
If you really want to know what the fuck is true or at least get a good semblance of it, you have to look at more than one fucking thing.
If you read some story on Facebook that outrages you and fucking makes you so pissed off, maybe it was intended to do that.
Maybe you should go look further.
Look down the road.
Look at a paper you would never look at.
I like to look when I get interested in the news, which isn't as much as it used to be because I have my own things, which I'm sure we'll get into.
I try to be like, all right.
CNN is on at my studio a lot without the sound because we'll be making music and whatnot.
And mostly I just read the ticker because if you know nowadays, news is on the ticker.
Opinions are what are coming out the fucking speakers when the personalities are talking.
News is just the facts that roll, scroll along down on the bottom, and there's some spin on it and whatnot, but I try not to listen to the talking heads, because They, you know, Fox has two pro-Democrat guys that no matter what the Democrats do, they're gonna defend it, and CNN has a couple of Trump guys that no matter what goes on.
I was watching it not too long ago when CNN came on after a commercial and the studio was lit up red and Korean stars were everywhere and there was nuclear missile launches like pictures in the background.
And I was like, oh my god, what the fuck is going on?
Did they just launch missiles?
And nothing like it had happened.
They were just discussing the possibility of the future of if they got a missile that was capable.
And people are tuned into this shit.
Like I said, it's on in the background because I just, God forbid that breaking news, you want to know.
The whiskey's starting to fucking talk to me right now.
That has a conscience.
My conscience, my soul, you know, evaluates why I'm being entertained by it and finds it disturbing a lot.
And wants to say, like, hey man, we should all fucking take a step back.
And I love you because the love shit...
I mean, I've always had love in my life.
I've been a very fortunate man, but like, coming in here as grown men, and when I first started doing your podcast, you would always be preaching love, and you know, I mean, Joe Rogan's a tough guy.
He kicked the shit out of 90% of the fucking people around.
Started probably the last, right before I stopped, the last time I came on the show, there was like a big lawsuit over Jump Around that I actually wound up winning, but like, it froze money that I depend on.
I had a lot of guilt involved because with a kid with CF, I couldn't have my mom in home with a nurse and any infections that she could, you know, she was getting lung infections all the time.
So I had her in a home, a really beautiful home.
They took a magnificent care of my mother, but there was a lot of guilt.
I was freaking for a while, like, with a lot of darkness that I was swimming through.
And it just wasn't good for me to come through.
And then...
You know, and then after she passed and like Layla's just been like learning, you know, I'm only just me and my wife now.
It's she's seven years old.
And I think I'm not saying we got anything licked or cut, but like the life we have to live.
Because a few people have sent me things and we're investigating some stuff on that level right now because...
There are a lot of good things going along with this because it's one of the best anti-inflammatories there are with no side effects and all kinds of stuff.
We're not using it on my daughter yet, but we're investigating what kind of uses there are.
I forget.
I might have to go back through my emails or whatnot and see what you saw.
Like the way it works is the two people that father the child have to each have the gene.
All right.
So me and my wife are known as what are known as carriers, which we never knew because we've searched our whole history after we found out nobody in my family's ever, ever had this.
Nobody in her family's ever, ever had this.
But we're known as what's carriers.
So when we got together and we had a child, there's a one in four chance that child's gonna have cystic fibrosis.
There's a two in four chance they're gonna be a carrier.
There's a one in four chance they have nothing at all, which is our other daughter, Sadie.
So we kind of represent the whole spectrum, like our family, you know, Layla, her mom, me, and Sadie.
Which is another reason I'm not having six kids, because I love being a dad, but it's like two cystic fibrosis children in the same household is even, and a lot of people do it, It's hard because they pass infections and it's very...
I can't even imagine how the people with multiple two or three kids with cystic fibrosis pull it off.
He's a great dude, but one of the things he said to me that I'll never forget, he was talking about The Secret.
Do you remember when The Secret was this big movie, and it was about the law of attraction, and people were going to manifest their own destiny, and they were going to make it happen, and everything in your life, you created in your mind.
And he was like, fuck you!
You're telling a young, sick kid that she made that herself?
You also can't make a God responsible for, like, God has a plan.
You know what?
Sometimes there's not a fucking plan.
Sometimes there's a glitch in the goddamn matrix, and you just gotta deal with it.
You know?
You gotta handle it.
And the more important thing for me...
The second most important thing in my life, other than keeping Layla as healthy as possible, is making sure she knows that she can still achieve...
She's at an age now where she kind of...
I'm not trying to have her hate me in 10 years if she ever hears this for giving up her business, but she's in a stage right now where she's very resentful of...
She expresses it well.
She'll say, I hate this.
I hate that I have this.
I just want to be normal.
I just want to have a normal life.
And it fucking rips your heart out, man.
But you can't...
You have to say, hey, hey, you are normal.
This is your life.
Your life is normal.
It's like Carlin...
I'm a big Carlin guy.
I know you're a studied student of it.
But it's like he had his routine where it's like...
About being homemade or all natural.
He's like, everything's fucking all natural.
No matter what you do with it, it's all fucking natural.
And that's kind of how I try to approach it.
It's like, you are normal.
This is your normal life.
You're not any better or worse.
There's fights people fight that you don't even see, Layla.
You know what I mean?
You don't understand.
Yours is obvious.
Yours is right here in front of you to fight.
Some people are gonna fight demons they'll never meet.
And I know I didn't need anything to promote, but all of a sudden it's like I did this free project and I was like, I really just put it out and my fans have found it, but the response has been so good behind it.
It's like, I want to get this out there a little further.
So it gave me an excuse to be like, I think it's time for me to be on the podcast again.
But the point is, I was struggling to make my next singer-songwriter-ish hip-hop.
I was kind of revisiting the Whitey Ford formula a little bit and expanding on it.
But I got kind of stuck halfway through.
Because I was just...
After all of this...
Stuff that I went through, I thought it would be smart to just...
I kind of...
Another thing about cystic fibrosis, it's really isolating because you get really protective of your child and other people who are sick.
I mean, I remember at first I used to come and be like, everybody's going to be all right at the studio, right?
Nobody's sick.
I mean, you know what I mean?
I trust you now.
I know it's like, if you were sick, you'd tell me.
But you still, you live that life, and after a while you get tired of asking your friends every five seconds, and so the invitations to hang out become a little less.
It's not an intentional thing.
It's this slow kind of isolation of yourself.
My friends didn't do it to me, I did it to myself.
And I'm coming out of that now, like I'm hanging out with a lot of my old friends and seeing things, which is great.
So like I was stuck in the studio was just me and like an engineer kid who I Had a guy that worked for me for many years who moved up north and then I I had this new guy who I who's good at his job But it was like I there was no but you're kind of your own boss, right?
How do you decide when you're gonna write just well because I don't know how you think about life because we don't live by the paycheck rules, you know what I mean we So I'm thinking six months out I know I'm good probably right now.
I could sit on my ass for a year before cash ran out.
I got a festival in Napa, and then I come home for a day, and then I go to Europe for six weeks.
Napa's a trip.
I do well in pockets in the United States, and there's a lot of places, like the South, I think I would do great, but I've never gone.
Promoters don't know what it is.
I don't chase it.
I hope I'm not all over this.
I've never chased this.
I've never ran it down.
I'm where I am because I just looked at the signs on the road and said, oh, go that way.
And I go there.
I'm not the guy who thinks I'm the worst social media.
I got 40,000 fucking Instagram followers.
I've sold millions and millions of records.
I don't try.
I don't know what it is.
I get extreme amounts of joy.
I think we talked about this on the first podcast I ever did, that my music is more famous than my face.
Because I did say, I like to go to Ralph's and get at the Olive Bar and just fucking get olives and nobody knows who the fuck I am and Jump Around is actually playing in the supermarket or something.
Because I would imagine, if you're standing there, like some of those, I passed by some of those in downtown LA. If you were in a room like this and tried to paint that whole wall just with no ventilation, you probably would.
But this is mostly outdoor, on the wall, on the bus, on...
In L.A., the scene was, we had a yard.
Every crew, you'd have a yard somewhere, like in an industrial area between buildings where there's a brick wall and two buildings, and you'd just bomb them.
Well, that's what's amazing about someone who can play an instrument like that, is that they're making some sound that it syncs up with our brain so well.
It syncs up with our hearing so well that it just gives you pleasure.
And by the way, folks, that's with an iPhone...
Can't microphone in camera.
I mean that is a terrible recording device as far as like getting good audio quality So when you they're getting really fucking good There's more computing power than there was it when they supposedly sent people to the moon You know I mean to the moon Alice supposedly do you think they sent people on the moon?
That's as clear as back when, remember, what, was it 20 years ago when they came up with the whole thing where, like, the Pentagon was paying, like, $1,000 a hammer, and, like, toilet seats were, like, $7,000.
Sick Jack is one of the most slept on underrated MCs ever.
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terminate assassinate with extreme bigotry, heavyweight armor plate, subatomic energy, Necronomicon, triple hexagon, one level Woo!
Torn from the flame of the jinty, you knowledge this.
Profile of the new world is ominous.
Broken equilibrium, Americana promises.
War pawn, risen from the ass of the bottomless.
And watch, dystopian.
Drop from the fallopian.
Admire for the entire empire.
Draconian!
This shit is Nickelodeon anime pandemonium.
Quickening of arbitrary death of associates.
This is war porn banging at colloquium.
Get your door blown off the hinge and prove to him.
Blow my brains out remotely from the podium.
Great cerebellum decorations of the holiest.
Seven levels of heaven are ceremonious.
Nine levels of hell are for the lowliest.
Fabricated modified mass hypnosis.
Floating hallucinations while I'm sitting in the lotus You should come with me to the end of the world Yeah, man, we've had a blast, man Oh We're gonna make many more records.
Both those dudes that are on either side of me in this are retarded with it, man.
If you really sit back and analyze.
Divine Styler, like, speaks in tongues, man.
I don't know.
That dude's on some super scientific.
And Sick Jack...
On some street-level hood shit, but the way he puts it together is so crazy.
It's almost like we're a representation of like almost like physical like Mental and spiritual like mine's more mental like you guys are like see no here evil here.
No almost It's a weird car together and when we get together all three of us will tell you it's it's The energy that we create with each other, we don't find it anywhere else.
We're addicted to this right now.
That's why I'm telling you, there's going to be way more.
And I think that being around a bunch of bad motherfuckers on a regular basis like you are in war porn like everything is probably like everybody's sharp and everybody's not everybody is also aware of the full body of work You're all real hip-hop fans.
So you're aware of like Nas's best shit.
Oh, yeah, and Jay-Z's best shit and the bar gets so high and so sharp the edge gets It's sharp.
So that riff right there, that's one of my all-time favorites that I've heard in the last couple of years.
But anybody who's listening to me and is really hip to the game knows there's these youngsters that are kind of almost trying to make noise by disrespecting.
And it's like, listen, the path that was walked before you is the only reason you can fucking wear that fucking cheesy fucking shit jewelry you get and fucking act so ignorant.
You know what I mean?
And go to the Met Ball and Gala and all this when you ain't nobody.
And next year you're not going to be anybody at the Met Gala.
In other words, let me qualify what I was just talking about, actually.
Because really what I was talking about wasn't young people, if I want to be perfectly clear.
What I was talking about was people my age that I hear throwing a lot of hate and a lot of just like, oh, that ain't rap or that ain't hip-hop or anything.
Maybe not to you, but you really just sound old and bitter.
You know what I mean?
Let them kids get theirs.
You know what I mean?
I made the record I wanted to make.
I didn't try to make a record that Designer or Future or any of these cats that are doing it now would make because that would look stupid.
I would look like a thirsty idiot because that's not what I'd do.
That is what they do.
So the shit on it is shitting on them.
And I don't know them.
I don't know anything.
And honestly, I've heard future records and I've heard designer records and they're not the worst things I've ever heard.
I'm just not a fan.
That's not my thing.
It's not garbage.
And I don't like when I hear people just calling shit out for garbage that isn't garbage.
I would actually, with all my heart issues, I got a heart valve.
If you sat two plates on them and a plate of Coke and you said you had to do one of these and here's some Coke leaves, I'd be like, oh, fuck, I'll chew those Coke leaves all day.
There's the whole thing right there of this whole new, hey, I've smoked my fair share of some dabs and whatnot here.
But now we're talking about, if we're going to keep it 100% honest, We've always kind of sat around, smoked joints, and be like, we don't really do drugs.
But there's a thing, there's a trigger that hits me when someone says, you want to do dabs, like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, because you're one of those people that does dabs.
Like, I'm not...
You're the dude who calls in sick to the country club because you're too fucking high to drive, all right?
Now, the wife and I, at the end of a long day, we'll go out in the backyard, because we don't smoke anywhere near the kids because of cystic fibrosis and all that, but we will, like that, and you know what?
Fuck anybody that doesn't like it.
I know parents that are alcoholics and shit, you know what I mean?
You know what I find that's one of the most beneficial things about being high is that I'm only thinking about a few things, but I'm thinking about them very intensely.
Instead of thinking about a whole host of things peripherally, where it's almost like there's too much data coming in from all these other things that I don't really care about or need.
Look, you care about all sorts of things in your life that you're not going to deal with right now, and to harbor even a chunk of that in your consciousness It robs the rest of your resources for thinking about other things and that's one of the most apparent things about pot to me because like when I here's a perfect example when I smoke pot and then I play pool I am 20% better like a legitimate 20% better and I really think that it's because I'm not thinking about
oh I got to do this and then I got to call that guy and then this guy I got to respond to his text I got to respond to that person's email when I get high I I just see balls.
But the thing about doing that is that, I don't know why, but when you do something correctly, when it all flows in harmony, just like with pool, it's the same thing.
When you have a long shot and it goes in, if you've ever been at a bar, when you watch people play pool, and some dude makes, or some woman, makes the craziest shot ever for the win, and everybody goes crazy, oh shit!
Because we know how hard it is to do and there's something poetic and beautiful about watching it happen.
It's that you just described why golf makes any sense at all.
I live on a golf course basically.
I like to hit the balls, and fucking I suck.
But what keeps you coming back is you'll play that 18-hole day, and one time you'll hit the shot that you meant to hit, the way you meant to hit it, and it went where you meant to go, and you're like, I can do that again!
It's the same reason I've never done coke, the exact same reason.
My friend in high school, Jimmy Lawless, good buddy of mine to this day, when we were back in high school, we went to a party, and people were doing coke, and he goes, Joe, don't do it, you'd fucking love it.
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It's like Dewey Cox, the movie where he's like, you don't want this!
Well, any drug that radically changes your brain chemistry, whether it's whiskey, or whether it's coke, or, you know, honestly, even pot, especially pertaining to edibles, we should watch very carefully what happens when people take it.
You know, and I think that's one of the things that I've been guilty of, and I know a lot of other people have been guilty of it, too, just to totally come clean.
I defend pot so much that I never look at the potential negative consequences of people doing pot if they're too young.
Because I didn't do it when I was young.
I mean, I did a few times.
Maybe, like, A handful of times before I was 30. And then when I was 30, I met Eddie Bravo.
We started getting blazed all the time.
Really?
It just changed the entire way I looked at pot.
The first time I smoked pot was 14. Well, I definitely smoked it younger than that.
I smoked it when I was 8. My stepdad gave me some when I was eight.
And then the next time I did, I was probably like 14. And then I did it probably maybe again when I was 17. I did it about 14 when we cut school and a couple of kids that were the cool guys that kind of took a liking to me.
And I was like, cool, cool kids like me.
I'm going to go hang out with these dudes.
They smoke weed.
And I remember I hit it.
And they would tell me, have you ever smoked weed?
No, I never smoked weed.
Nothing might happen to you the first time.
But I remember vividly hitting this joint with these dudes and literally spending probably an hour and 30 minutes laughing my balls off at nothing.
I had a very important moment when I was 16. I had only smoked weed a handful of times before I was 30 years old, like less than 12, like legitimately.
And one time when I was 16, it was me and my girlfriend and my best friend who went over her house and I had stole some weed from my stepdad.
I moved on to this street called Independence Avenue in the valley.
It's like West Valley.
Kind of DeSoto Sherman Way-ish.
And it was heavily Latino neighborhood.
And we moved in and it was cool.
I mean, I came friends with a lot of people.
But like...
I went from, like, the end of elementary school into junior high, right, in that era.
So, like, once we hit the junior high, it's like a lot of the Mexican kids I was hanging out with started hanging out with the little bit older Mexican kids, and a lot of them were dealing in, like, kind of gang life over there.
It's just part of the way they get down.
And a lot of them like to fucking do dips, which is like a fucking Sherm cigarette dipped into my fucking...
Normally it's supposed to be up here, but I wasn't in the gang.
So it's like for some reason I was so fucked up, this is what wound up.
I mean, this represents what they call mi vida loca.
It's like little three dots here.
But it's like, that happened because I smoked dust.
Because these dudes passed me the sherm.
I didn't really know what I was doing.
I was like this, bang.
And literally, the way you just described that time traveling, it was like, I felt like if I thought of something to do, by the time I was finished with the thought of thinking to do it, I had already done it.
I'm going to call my mom.
Goodbye, mom.
Like that kind of thing.
It was like fucking nuts.
I've fucking never experienced anything like that.
I had an ex-boxing coach who had his finger bitten off when he was on dust and he had his toe removed and his second toe replaced his index finger and he made it curled so that he could keep throwing right hooks.
So when you'd shake his hand, you'd shake his hand.
But strange and uncomfortable as being around And I'm not talking about like ex-marines or guys who have been in the war or anything like that.
I'm talking about like a civilian person, and I've been around quite a few of these kind of people, whether it be biker gang guys or whatever, that you know.
That's funny because I had a cousin when I was young, like before, like probably 1918. I was in California visiting and he was a correctional officer.
In upstate New York and he said the thing they were taught first is cuz all they walk around there's only like maybe 30 guards at a time on duty and what?
600 to a thousand prisoners, right?
You know depending on what the circumstances are and all they have is a big metal key ring And they're taught the first thing you fucking do is punch a dude right in his fucking throat Yeah, if you feel like you're any kind of thing that's the and he told me that like that He was like if I was gonna give you any advice and you felt like you were fucking say the first thing you do and I And he explained it well enough that I knew, even as a young man, like, you're playing with a person's life punching them in the fucking Adam's apple or something.
It's also, if I'm not mistaken, your brain sits in that little bit of fluid, and if your skull moves fast enough, the brain doesn't move as fast, and if the brain touches the skull, that lights out.
I've never experienced it, nor can I throw one that high.
But I would imagine why it might be worse is because like, alright, you can punch and it's the motion of the head almost and the brain not moving that is causing the knockout.
If you get kicked like this, it's a shin, it's everything.
Your head doesn't even get to move.
So the brain is actually just getting slammed against the other side of the fucking skull.
I don't think there's anything wrong with two people agreeing with a rule set.
They agree, okay, we're going to wear gloves and we're going to wear gi pants.
Things along those lines.
But if you can wear gloves, gloves for a striker are the equivalent of gi pants for a really good jiu-jitsu guard player.
If a guy like Eddie Bravo is allowed to wear gi pants and he gets you wrapped up, if you're some regular dude, you're going to sleep.
You're going to get fucked up.
You know, unless you're like some high, even like Hoyler Gracie fucks up when he's wearing the gi pants because he knows that those gi pants provide insane amounts of friction and traction and can clamp ahold of you and he can do some shit to you that you're just gonna be super uncomfortable with.
In a way, that's as much of an advantage for him to be able to wear the gi pants as it would be for a striker to wear the gloves.
But only a striker gets to wear the gloves.
Like, the grapplers have to wear shorts.
It's really kind of interesting because having your knuckles taped up and having your knuckles padded up is a real advantage for someone who knows how to hit things.
Because you can be much more relaxed and liberal with your use of punches.
You don't have to worry about hitting bones.
But you would never allow that the other way.
Like giving the option of a striker to wear hand pads and then a grappler to wear gi pants.
It's like we have a very accepted idea of what's civilized.
One of the things is you cover your knuckles.
It's kind of stupid because you don't have to cover your elbows.
People are smashing and slashing people up with their elbows.
My case against it is that it's not logical.
It's just historical.
We're just going by a tradition and it's not a logical tradition.
Yeah, it's kind of fascinating when you think about it, but I really do think that the gloves, I think we're doing a huge disservice to the art of fighting.
Because I think we have unrealistic expectations based on the idea that you could just punch someone with padded knuckles.
I think if we didn't have padded knuckles, we'd be much more clever in how we use our hands, because you might break your hand at any shot.
And it would be easier to choke people, so jujitsu would be more effective.
Two of those things are way better for the athletes.
And way better for the honest interpretation of what fighting is.
The problem is no one's gonna agree to that because people from home, they're gonna look at it and go, oh, this is barbaric.
Rarely do you see his arm come away bleeding or something.
I'm saying there's a rare occasion, but far less rare would be if there was no gloves and you're punching a guy in the mouth, you're going to catch them teeth.
There's going to be a lot more cutting of the hands, too.
Bernard Hopkins always used to fight with one of those.
And it covers your lower teeth and your upper teeth and there's a space in the middle and you breathe through that and you breathe through your nose and you get used to doing that.
And the lower mouth guard, the problem with having only an upper mouth guard is most people do that, but only an upper mouth guard will work for the most part.
But there is, if you're bare knuckle, there's a real argument for using an upper and a lower because you're dealing with a different situation.
I was there in the forum, and it was a bummer to me.
You're better than that, and your fucking career will be forever.
Because here's when I knew Bernard Hopkins was the fucking man.
Be Real.
I've always been surrounded by Latin guys.
That's just all the dudes I know are Mexican, Cuban, these kind of guys.
Be Real is one of my best friends on earth.
Sick Jacket.
These are all Latin dudes.
These are all Spanish guys, Mexicans and whatnot.
So anytime a fight like that would come up, they're all taking the Felix Trinidad or the whoever it was.
When he was fighting Felix Trinidad, we were all watching at Be Real's house when this motherfucker...
Took the Puerto Rican flag.
He was in Puerto Rico Talking shit on Felix Trinidad, at the time, the fucking almighty fucking son of all Puerto Rico, took the Puerto Rican flag, which if you know about Puerto Rican guys, and I know plenty of Puerto Rican guys, you put that flag on anything, they got so much pride.
They'll buy it, they'll wear it, the flag is everything.
Where he steps on the Puerto Rican, in Puerto Rico, and I literally told my friends, if he gets off that island, nobody on earth is beating his ass.
I was like, because they should be trying to fucking kill him right now, if I know anything about Puerto Rican people.
You know what I mean?
And when he got back, when the fight came that day...
I bet everybody in B-Real used to throw barbecues every fight.
That's where we'd be.
That was our routine.
Anytime it was a black guy versus any Spanish guy, it could be any kind of Spanish guy, I would always bet against the house and more times than not, I won.
But like, yo, he stomps on the goddamn flag and got out of that island.
What if Conor took the fight with Mayweather and just came out, picked him up, slammed him on the fucking ground and dismantled him and like ripped his arms just to do it.
Come on, don't act like you didn't say let's drink some whiskey.
Now, if you expect Neverlast to say no to let's drink some whiskey, then you have made the faux pas.
But what I want to say real quick, because I've been drinking and I haven't been there in a while either, my good friend Jason Ellis just won his King of the Cage match a week ago.
That kind of guy's inspiring to me, man, because what he does is he chooses something and he says, I'm gonna commit to it.
There's this...
I was saying I think earlier I'm here because I followed road signs and I just I I consider myself Adept at reading the signs of life and where I'm put when there's the the forks in the road I happen to be good at making the right choice There's certain guys that don't give a fuck about the fork in the road and determine their own fucking path and decide you're kind of one of those dudes And I admire that in a way.
I mean, I admire what I do.
I know I recognize there's a skill and a talent and a blessing in what I do, but there's something about being able to decide something and fucking make it so, even though maybe it's not supposed to be so.
And that is my next...
Chasing life maybe not to it if I even if I don't achieve it to understand it how it's possible How could I be that guy?
How could at 20 maybe I have understood a little bit differently?
So maybe by the time I'm 70 God willing It's an illusion.
The whole key, I think, to anything you do, whether you're a guy who makes furniture or a woman who paints or whatever the fuck you do, whether you're a rapper or a blues singer or a stand-up comedian or an author, whatever the fuck.
Fuck you do.
The thing is, and this is a cliche expression, but there's a reason why people keep expressing it over and over again.
Get out of your own way.
Half of the reason why you're not tuning in perfectly to whatever fucking vibration is available to you in the universe is you get in your own fucking way.
You get in your own way with insecurity and with ego and with expectation and with pressure and with all the different judgments you cast on different forms of art that you may or may not like.
Like, you're wasting time.
You're wasting energy.
It's clogging up your gears.
You only have a certain amount.
You got to manage your attention the way you would manage oxygen if you were in a spaceship.
You got to say, I can't give away this stuff to bullshit.
I can't be sitting around wondering if, you know, whatever the fuck it is.
If it's not relevant to your life, you're wasting way too much time thinking about this.
Direct subordinates one of my guys that worked for me he would he would call me up or pull me aside with some major problems some issue that was going on And he'd say boss we got this and that and the other thing and I look at him and I'd say good and Finally one day he was telling me about some issue that he was having some problem and He said I already know what you're gonna say I Said well, what am I gonna say?
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He said you're gonna say good and He said, that's what you always say.
When something is wrong and going bad, you always just look at me and say, good.
And I said, well, yeah.
When things are going bad, there's gonna be some good that's gonna come from it.
Didn't get the new high-speed gear we wanted?
Good.
Didn't get promoted.
Good.
More time to get better.
Oh, mission got cancelled?
Good.
We can focus on another one.
Didn't get funded.
Didn't get the job you wanted.
Got injured.
Sprained my ankle.
Got tapped out?
Good.
Got beat?
Good.
Learned.
Unexpected problems?
Good.
We have the opportunity to figure out a solution.
That's it.
When things are going bad, Don't get all bummed out.
Don't get startled.
Don't get frustrated.
If you can say the word good, guess what?
It means you're still alive.
It means you're still breathing.
And if you're still breathing, well now, you still got some fight left in you.
This is why I was saying, I'm not asking for sympathy.
You're absolutely right.
All I'm saying, I actually came on this show today to say if something in this realm, if somebody in the Valley area or LA greater area, my Twitter's OG Everlast, my fucking, everything's the same.
OG Everlast or Eric Schrody on Facebook.
Legitimate.
I need a little help.
I need a little help in the sense that I want to be in better shape, but I travel so much, and then at home is a stress of like, I want to go to the gym.
I couldn't go to the fucking gym for the last 10 days.
It was either me or my wife at the fucking hospital.
No, no, no, Joe, I don't want to make you feel bad at all.
That is fucking supremely motivational on any level, except what I'm trying to say is like, skating your way around this fucking kind of emotional fucking dilemma of like, it's hard.
But what I'm saying is there's this hurdle of Lieutenant Dan that's got some real fucking anger issues.
I'm working them out.
I'm working on them.
Hey, the whiskey...
I'm being more honest than I even thought I would be today.
Okay.
I mean...
You don't get on a fucking platform like Joe Rogan and say, hey, I'm failing at this, unless you're fucking trying to do something about it, you know what I mean?
I want to achieve I don't want to be you, but I'm like, I see the way I've been watching.
Another thing that has also gotten to me and gets me when I do get to work out, it's because I hear Joe Rogan tell me, don't let the inner bitch fucking get you.
And that's been a big motivator for me.
But it's not an inner bitch to be disturbed and upset and your life upheaved by this thing.
Like, how do I... Broken and snapped by a guy who tapped me out or or life just kicked my ass and I didn't get the job or the Opportunity I wanted and good I understand that but I am personally struggling with Not using this as an excuse,
but the truthful, emotional fucking agony of seeing a child tell you, and not just tell you, but go through this hospital of the last two weeks, these things of like, how do I be stronger?
And what I'm saying, I'm not being argumentative with you again, is saying, please, if you've got a book, tweet it to me.
If you're the dude who fucking is local and says, I know how to help you, plus, I understand I have a heart valve replacement.
I'll I'll get distrustful of my own heart like a pain or a tinge that really might not be anything will come along and fucking scare the shit out of me because there's nothing I never was afraid of anything in my life Until I had children and the only thing I'm afraid of on this planet is not being here for my children My life or death.
I do not care.
I've died twice literally I don't care about that.
But now there's this fear of these children, these girls, not even boys.
I honestly even feel I would feel differently if I had two boys.
Like, they'll be alright.
I can instill the manly shit into them while I'm here.
But my girls, my biggest fear in life is not being here for them.
And I'm good.
I'm healthy.
Except for about 25 pounds of weight.
I'm actually, my blood works, all that.
My doctors are all very happy with me.
It's the only complaint they ever have.
And the only complaint I ever have is I have some back pains.
But there's too much extra energy spent on things that aren't helping you.
I know you have these time constraints, but to focus on them is counterproductive.
Because you have the time constraints, the time constraints rob you of your time, and then the focusing on the time constraints and the agony of those time constraints and the fucking frustration of having those time constraints robs you of more time and more energy.
You've just got to accept it.
You've got to be zen about it.
I'm working on it.
He's a comedian from Boston.
His name is Tony Veen.
He said something to me once that's very important.
And it applied to the rest of my life.
And it was a very simple statement.
He was driving from Boston to New York several times a week, several times, for some job he got.
I don't concern myself with the fact that I can't believe I have to do this.
Oh my God, woe is me.
He goes, I just do it.
And then I thought about that that day and then I applied that to my life because that's the best advice anybody could ever get if anybody was doing anything they don't like to do.
Of course you don't like to do it, but to concentrate on the fact that you don't like to do it compounds the not like to do it aspect of it.
Actually, what you're describing is actually a lot of the stuff I'm reading right now, which is like the art of mindfulness, which is, again, when I keep saying wash the dishes to wash the dishes, it's kind of like saying exactly that.
Like, wash your dishes to wash your dishes.
Don't wash your dishes to get to the next thing, because then you're not living life.
You're not breathing, you're not living in your moment.
So I'm working on that.
But at the same time, I'm still saying, like, also, you know what?
I found...
In the last couple years, especially through the little social media that I managed to be successful at, that people want to know the real deal.
Shit ain't fucking perfect over here.
There's a lot of things about me I'd like to be better.
You know what I mean?
Just because I make good money and I ain't hungry.
I could eat filet mignon and all that every night.
I do live really nice.
I'm very fucking grateful for my life.
But...
There's a lot of fucking dark you don't see that if you saw, maybe you wouldn't...
I know it doesn't happen often, but anything like staff or anything like that is so dangerous for Layla that it's really scary.
So like working out in a gym with like 40 guys working out, there's two frightening things for me working out in a normal jiu-jitsu class.
The fucking average novice that doesn't realize he's fucking stupid and fucking pulls my left arm out or my right arm out and I can't play guitar for fucking six weeks or six months even.
So I only train with the teachers.
That's my way.
I just say, hey, I'll pay for that, whatever, a little extra of private, whatever.
But obviously, Eddie doesn't live out that way.
But he told me, he was like, I got a fucking guy out there who's awesome.
He's a fucking black belt.
He's fucking awesome.
I haven't followed up as much as he hasn't gotten back.
It's not like he's ignoring me or anything.
I'm just saying I gotta follow through on that and get that going too.
I've lost about 15 pounds, honestly, with all this talk we're saying.
And it even hails back to the beginning of what we talked about, the blues and the reds.
They are trying to separate us because we're communal.
And if we all actually sat down, even the most fucking worst opinion over there and the worst opinion over there, if we were all in the room together, we could find somewhere over here where we could both at least be the least bit angry at each other.
It's better because, again, hailing back to what we said earlier, the day after the president's elected, it seems like they're talking about who's going to run in 2020 already.
Hey, we might be in a particularly weird circumstance now in America.
Again, I won't even delve into that.
What I want to say is, The day after our president is elected, we shouldn't be talking about who's going to be the next fucking president until that guy fucks up enough to say who's going to be the next president.
There should be this...
And again, we are in some extremely absurd and weird circumstances at the moment, but under normal circumstances, my argument would just be...
We're Americans.
This guy got elected through the process we all agreed to.
And even now, I'll say that, but dudes already fucking...
Again, that's why I don't want to visit that, because that's a whole fucking four hours on its own, honestly.
We need to figure out what these things are that we're talking about living with, because I don't think there's very many of them that we're really disagreeing on between the left and the right.
I think there's a lot of bullshit, and I think it's a lot of what we were talking about earlier, this tribal bullshit, dig our heels in the sand.
What I'm saying is like a lot of people said fuck the whole system and for a second they bought into the fact that this guy actually might think the same when this guy spent his entire life fucking over the working class dude.
In fact, as much as I would have voted the other direction for whatever you want to say, and again, I don't give a fuck.
Fuck about Hillary Clinton.
I'm not telling you the fucking world would have been saved by Hillary Clinton.
Fuck that shit.
Alright?
That was an entitled motherfucking person who was only given that fucking position because for some reason the elite of that party thought it was her turn or something.
I don't know.
That was wrong.
That's just as much their fault for losing as fucking...
That dude is going to give me a tax break if he's successful.
And the guys that actually voted for him, the union guys and the fucking working class guys, are going to get fucked over.
And at the end of the day, they'll be regretting it.
As much as some of the things he's spitting at you and saying to you are appealing, he's not that fucking guy.
Just like, fuck Hillary Clinton, fuck Donald Trump.
So you can't be mad at me.
Fuck all of them.
Bernie Sanders was probably our most logical choice, but I said fuck him because I read his tax plan and he would have fucking raped me!
So, it's like, there's got to be, I don't know, there's got to be a whole new system where the money is, there has to be a flat tax kind of thing where every fucking person from corporation, the problem is too many corporations are considered legally people.
No, I just think it's a fact of the way they set up programs.
They set up a program to say, what's going to be most...
Like, the guy who invented Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, whoever's his team, whoever's his team, wants the people who use his product to be the happiest they can be with it.
So, if they look at the things you click on and start developing a pattern in an algorithm, and you click on these extremely right things, or you click on these extremely left things, sooner or later, that's all that's going to be on your page.
Instagram even changed their fucking algorithm to it's not like what was just last posted.
It's what was last posted that's most popular and what's appealing to you that you like.
You know what I mean?
That's where I'm going with this.
These people don't understand.
You're being catered to.
You're being fed.
You're being fed ideas.
You want to be fed.
You're not being challenged.
And I've always said this about even personal my art.
It goes back to being in a room by yourself and why I got stagnated with making a record.
If there's not somebody in that room somehow to challenge your idea, your idea isn't the best it can be.
I understand what you're saying, but I think that an alternative point of view would not be that you're getting fed.
Would that be these algorithms recognize your interests?
And whether it's golf or South American fishing or fucking skydiving, whatever the fuck you're interested in, you start searching for that, it'll give you things that you can- But it's not just what you're searching, it's what you're liking.
I hope he's listening to you, but you hear what I'm saying though, right?
It's not a fucking dismissed idea that there's guys who got their heads fucking down just trying to get their paycheck for the next week to get their fucking mortgage paid, and they look up for a long enough time, and maybe Facebook is the one thing they look at a week, and then that's where they get their information from.
Comedians, truthfully, are the people who are challenging the status quo right now.
Whether you're talking about the guy on HBO who has the Last Week Tonight show or the Daily Show kind of news, more Americans, and this is a studied fact, trust comedic news as truth than they do fucking Anderson fucking Vanderbilt Cooper.
There should be some kind of system that says it's not fucking the Koch fucking brothers pumping billions into a dude, whether it's through misdirection or fucking whatever.
Let's keep it fucking real, man.
We're getting fucked as a people.
Hey, I do well.
I'm doing myself a disservice by even saying shit.
I could see that someone would want to lease something because it'd be a nice tax write-off, especially if you're incorporated, which I'm sure you are, and Bill is, and I am.
But also, I could see someone who says, I like knowing.
My man Terminology, who's on the Warporn album, a rapper, started it as a movement for, like, you know, inner city kind of shit to get the Good Dad thing going, and it's Good Dad, and he's blowing it up, and it's doing really well.
And I'm gonna get you a bunch of merch.
But you can go get it also at gooddadgang.com.
I make not a goddamn thing off it.
That's a shout-out to that fucking whole philosophy.