Gavin McInnes and Joe Rogan clash over sexual norms, with McInnes defending "pro-gay" libertarianism amid molestation debates—citing stats like 70% inbreeding in Pakistan—and Rogan questioning rigid social rules. They mock absurd fashion trends, like spaghetti-stained t-shirts as "hot," and joke about taboo humor, wrapping up with McInnes’ media projects and Rogan’s sponsor plugs. The episode reveals how cultural outrage and biological determinism collide in modern libertarian discourse. [Automatically generated summary]
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My guest today is Gavin McGinnis.
Gavin is a funny fellow.
He is a libertarian.
He is an outrage peddler.
He's a very smart and fun guy to hang out and talk to.
And I really enjoyed our conversation.
And I know this is like, he gets lumped in with that whole alt-right group.
And, you know, he's got some interesting beliefs.
And some of them I agree with and some of them I don't.
But I think he's a very reasonable guy.
And I think he's an entertaining guy.
And I like talking to him.
And when I have too many people on that are right, people start thinking, oh, you're in the right, man.
And the idea that, you know, I know I've lived in the city since I was 18, so I've been around gays for a quarter century, and I think of these guys I know that have been together for 10 years, and I go, so let me get this straight.
These two are going to break up, according to you, an evangelical person, and then they're just going to make out with some chick with blonde hair and eat her out.
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And like, fuck her and have a boner and pray to God.
Well, here's the deal, and this is a mistake Milo made.
You have to acknowledge that what you're talking about is fucked up and horrible and wrong, but you just so happen to have not had a bad experience within those parameters.
There's the Father Michael thing, and I don't know if I believe that.
I think that's just a, I've heard him say that joke a few times where he's like, I never would have given such a good head if it wasn't for Father Michael.
And there's definitely a performance piece to a lot of what he does.
What's really interesting is he's very good at riling people up.
He's obviously very good at getting people upset.
And in doing so, he's created these sort of false narratives about him, that he's a Nazi, that he promotes genocide.
I mean, there were so many people outside the Berkeley thing that were screaming, calling him a Nazi and saying he's a fascist when they, in fact, were behaving in very authoritarian fascist ways.
Well, I don't think it even should just be a Q ⁇ A. I mean, I think it should be real clear.
There should be someone who shouldn't just rely on the audience to come up with some sort of response.
I think if you're going to have someone as controversial as Milo and you are so opposed to it that you're willing to throw bricks through Starbucks windows and light cop cars on fire, there should be someone that can speak for your side.
But this is setting it up the wrong way because you go.
It's like someone said to me once, hey, man, you know, like we were talking about martial arts.
If I was a black belt, I'd fucking kick everybody's ass.
I go, no, you wouldn't.
No, you wouldn't.
First of all, you wouldn't because you'd have discipline and you'd realize the consequences of that.
But second of all, when you just kick someone's ass, they don't just take it.
Like, they come back with a bat or a gun or their brother or you start a fight.
They want to get it back.
And it goes back and forth and back and forth.
And all conflict pretty much goes that way.
You have conflict and then someone responds to that conflict and it escalates.
So if you have this thing where you start throwing bricks through windows and lighting cop cars on fire and stopping people from talking and hitting people that have make Bitcoin great again hats.
Did you see that girl who got maced in the face?
You know what happens?
Eventually, people show up with guns.
That's what happens.
And this is what happens.
When you keep escalating the violence, you become a them, you become the other, you become the enemy, and you create this polarizing atmosphere that's so intense that no dialogue is going to fix it now because you're the enemy.
You're talking about the North versus the South.
You're talking about, you know, the Protestants versus the Catholics.
You create this horrific environment where it's almost impossible to avoid violence.
I was going to say this Nazi that you made Milo and I out to be, who wants genocide and who sees non-whites as inhuman, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, homophobic, sexist, whatever.
First of all, that guy should be allowed to talk if he existed, but he doesn't exist.
Well, in terms of Milo, he definitely doesn't exist.
Milo's not a Nazi.
He's definitely, he's not promoting genocide.
And those are two things that just get trumpeted about left and right.
Exactly, who is?
But Milo has said some very inflammatory things about, and in a very generalizing way, about women and about the wage gap and about all sorts of things that he designs his words and his phrases to be inflammatory so he gets the most response and it's been incredibly profitable.
I mean, up until Harper Collins pulled his book deal, he had a $250,000 book advance.
His book was number one on Amazon just sheerly through controversy.
So it's a strategy in a lot of ways and it's also a response to this really hard stance that the far left is taking, this anti-anti-free speech stance.
So the left is willfully ignorant of humor when it comes to Milo and with Trump too.
Like the grab the pussy thing, which they had a whole fucking parade about, and they still wear these dumb wool hats to look like a pussy, which is a joke he said on a bus.
So you're wearing a dumb joke on your head.
They know that he doesn't want to have a new policy called the pussy-grabbing statute, but they are willfully hiding their sense of humor so they can take things literally and go off on a tirade about it.
Well, I think they're shocked that we've been fed our entire life politicians that speak in a statesmanly-like way, a very predetermined, planned-out way, where they have pauses in their speech.
Like Obama, when he speaks, he has some very non-normal patterns to his behavior.
Like those things that people do, the showmanship of being a president, that it's all designed to comfort you and have you think that this person is clearly different than anyone you know.
They talk different.
They have better speech speeches.
They have better speaks.
They're statesman-like.
They speak in these pre-planned out sentences that are articulate and cleanly worded.
And that's not what you get with Trump.
And that disturbs the shit out of people.
It disturbs it.
Like, I saw so many people going off the other day about his talk about uranium and Hillary Clinton selling uranium.
You know, how it's things and it's for things, very bad things.
Like he's running out of words.
He doesn't know what the words are.
You know, that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but people are pointing to it like it's this horrible moment where this president essentially all he did was run out of words.
He just, the fucking guy is probably working 16 hours a day.
He's probably exhausted.
I mean, the overwhelming stress of the job for any one of them is almost immediately apparent once they get into office.
And you're seeing it with Trump as well.
You're seeing like that unhinged press conference that he made.
Guarantee you, some of that has to do with the fact the guy is worn out.
You know, he's a 70-year-old man.
Like, I'm almost 50 and I'm fucking tired all the time.
How's this guy who's 20 years older than me going to deal with the stress of running the biggest economy, the biggest military, the most insane country the world has ever known?
But the thing I always say about Trump when they say he's not presidential is, I tried that.
I tried it with Romney.
You got mad at his binder comment.
I tried it with Cruz, the constitutional Superman who could debate anyone and was erudite and presidential.
And you went, no, he's ugly.
So I said, okay, I'm bringing in Rodney Dangerfield from Caddyshack, and he's just going to be a wrecking ball.
And when Huffington Post says we're putting Trump in the entertainment section instead of the news section, Romney and Cruz wouldn't have said anything.
Trump says, and Ann Coulter points this out in her book in Trump We Trust.
Trump goes, Arianna Huffington, didn't your husband leave you for a man?
You know, I think a big part of why he even says that is because he's in many ways like a natural contrarian and in many ways a guy who wants to get a rise out of people.
And by saying that, he didn't feel like there's any consequences to being outrageous in that regard.
Right.
But I think we could both agree whether or not it's factual in his case, it's a fucked-up thing to say, right?
Well, the fact that there's no equivalent for a man shows you that there's a different standard.
And then with gays, it is different too.
Like 13-year-old and an older person, right?
If it's a girl and a 40-year-old teacher, I want to take him in the parking lot and beat him till he has a weird, he walks weird for the rest of his life.
If it's a woman and a boy, I don't want to murder her.
Grossed out, 13 especially, 14, a little better.
And then with gays, well, I'm not going to make the same mistake Milo made right now.
Don't ever do it.
But if a gay is known as a slut in the future, like say a 19-year-old fucks 200 people, as a woman, no one wants to go near.
And I had a bid in my act about, I don't know if you remember this commercial, but there was a commercial, a Just for Men commercial where there was a baby that was driving a Porsche, a baby with a beard, and there was a grown woman next to the baby.
And the baby has like a tuxedo on, and it's like, you've always wanted the biggest, baddest beard.
And the baby goes to the nightclub and the bouncer looks at him and winks at him.
I mean, I don't know what the fuck, just for men, if you don't know it, is some stuff that guys put in their beard when they're getting old.
So this baby's got a bottle.
He goes out to the dance floor.
There's all these girls with these tiny little skirts dancing around him, and he's like, he's like a pimp, and he's with this hot woman.
And this to me, my bit was: this is proof positive, proof positive.
There's no sexual equality when it comes to child molesting.
Because if you even wrote that down with the sexes reversed, if you even wrote it down, you're fucking going to jail.
Okay, there's a little baby girl, and she goes out to a room full of guys who are wearing Tarzan skirts, and they're all swinging dicks around her, and she's got a bottle, and they're all fighting for her attention and kissing her on the cheek.
You would go to fucking jail.
But that was a commercial that aired on mainstream television, and no one cared about it.
That commercial aired for years.
It's probably still on now.
And that commercial is proof positive that we have a completely different attitude towards a grown woman who's hot as fuck and a little baby.
She's hot and he looks like a man, so fucking let it rise.
If that movie was reversed and it was a young girl that all of a sudden was in a sexual woman's body and the guy was fucking her, she's like, I don't know.
No, she grabbed my dick, but I was just so little.
I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.
No, no, I was so confused.
I was 13.
I was like a little boy.
You know, if she caught me like a year or two later, I probably would have fucked her.
But at that stage, I was baffled because I had like zero sexual experience.
And then all of a sudden, a woman, a 21-year-old woman with tits who smoked cigarettes, and she was making out with me and taking me up to a room is really weird.
And she had a boyfriend, and her boyfriend was a construction worker, and he was a man.
I remember seeing him like on the job.
He had a shirt off and had a hairy chest.
I was like, what in the fuck?
And that was her boyfriend.
But she was just a wild woman.
And she apparently liked taking young boys that didn't know what they were doing and taking them up to her room.
Well, there's a big difference between an 18-year-old boy, rather, and an 18-year-old girl and a 13-year-old girl and a 13-year-old boy.
There's just a big goddamn difference.
If you have a grown woman and a 13-year-old boy, like, here's the thing: here's the big one.
And this is like, this is, this is one of the things that came up in the Milo conversation too, where he was saying that it's not that big a deal if a man grabs a woman's tit and she doesn't want him to.
I'm like, well, that's sexual assault.
If a woman grabs my dick and I don't want her to, that might be sexual assault, but I'm not in danger.
You know what I'm saying?
She's not going to fuck me up.
She's not going to rape me.
And that's where it gets different.
Like, I'm not scared.
Like, if a woman came over and grabbed my ass, like, you probably shouldn't do that, but I'm not scared of you.
But if a man does that to a woman and he's willing to violate her space like that, a woman has a real fear.
There's a possibility the door might be open that this guy could rape her.
And I'm looking at it going, you guys were murdering each other on the streets.
You figured out a way to solve it with fights, backyard fighting.
You shouldn't have the same enforcement as rich white kids doing it in the suburbs.
Or at least that's what your instincts are when you see that.
Now, that doesn't make sense.
The laws should be equitable across the board.
But you go, this is a different situation.
They're in a shitty situation.
They're murdering each other.
These backyard fights, sure, someone loses an eye, but they're not murdering each other anymore.
It's an improvement.
And you go, I don't know how to enforce this.
I don't know how it's done.
But you feel like there should be different laws for different people.
And when you say we're all exactly the same, well, the next thing you know, women are getting punched one-on-one and they're not as strong as men, so they're getting fucking beaten up.
Or you're telling women they're invincible.
They're going out and getting shit-faced like you and I do.
Well, there's a narrative, whether or not people are aware of it, but there is something that is actually being thrown around as being a viable narrative.
And that is that there's no biological difference between men and women.
There's no biological difference between the sexes.
And when you see people say it, I saw, there was a debate that Jordan Peterson had, and one of the people that he was debating was a professor from the University of Toronto.
And it was a gender equality professor or something along that, some bizarre discipline.
And I think it was a transgender man.
Like she was born a woman, and then she's a man.
Or maybe, yeah, I'm pretty sure.
I'm not sure.
But it seems like it.
Anyway, it's a very feminine man, whatever it is.
And it seems like a woman that became a man.
And it, she, he, whichever, however, Z. Z. Z. Whatever.
Z. And literally arguing, knowing that this is going to be broadcast, knowing this is going to be on television, on the internet, saying that there's no difference.
There's no biological basis.
Like, that's insane.
There's no difference between men and women.
It is absolutely insane.
It's absolutely insane.
There are no women who come anywhere near what men powerlifters can do.
They don't come anywhere near.
They might be stronger than you or I. They might, because they're doing it for a long time and they're taking steroids.
But even the women who take steroids, they're nowhere near as strong as the men.
It's not even close.
There's no women who are in the NFL.
There's no women heavyweight boxing champions.
They're never going to beat the men.
There's absolutely a biological basis in sex.
I have trained extensively with women in martial arts, extensively.
There is an enormous difference in how hard they hit.
There's an enormous difference in how strong they are.
I gotten shit for saying it because there was a man who transitioned to a woman after 30 years of being a woman, after fathering a child, being in the military, the whole deal, living life as a man, became a woman for two years and then started having MMA fights with women and not telling them that he was a woman for 30 years or she was a woman for 30 years and then became a woman.
I'm like, that's fucking crazy.
And the structure of the body is different.
The hips are different.
The jaw is different.
The size of the hands is different.
The size of the fist is an enormous difference between the power that a man can generate.
Now, I understand what you're saying, that you don't want to get roped into any crazy sort of hypothetical scenario where you say, what if it was your daughter and she was raped by some convict who just got out of the chicken?
You know what I'm saying?
I know you don't want to get into that, but in certain circumstances, I really think there is a difference between someone who's pregnant for three weeks and someone who's pregnant for five months.
And when my friends tell me they dump some bitch because she's crazy, I get mad at them because I go, you crazy bitches are the best sex you'll ever have in your life.
If she's not calling the cops, then keep fucking her.
And here's another reality, a super uncomfortable reality.
And this is in no, I want to just get real clear about this.
This is in no way condoning any form of rape or any form of sexual assault or any form of doing anything to anyone, male or female, against their will.
That said, there are women who undeniably have rape fantasies.
By the way, you tough mutter people, that fucking water you would never drink.
You would never drink puddle water, right?
Right?
Yeah, of course you wouldn't.
Well, guess what, fuck face?
You're getting that water in your mouth.
When you're crawling around, that same shit that you would get in your intestinal tract, you're going to get in your mouth and you're going to get sick as fuck, okay?
So be goddamn careful when you're doing those things.
You got to be really careful about drinking puddle water.
Like, I know guys have gotten jardia.
They've gotten like some serious intestinal disorders from drinking water.
Yeah, well, you're out in the mountains.
You go out in the mountains and like they don't bring water with them or their water filter breaks or they put these iodine tablets in the water, but they don't wait long enough, then they drink it.
And you're getting these live bacteria in your body and they wreak havoc with your system.
I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of endorphins that are being exchanged and there's a lot of arousal chemicals that are excreted when you're with that person that are extremely potent.
And when the person's not there, there's this deep need to get to that person again, just like a drug, just like someone who's got hooked on pain pills and you just, you have to get the pills.
You got to get the pills.
And I remember when I was in, when I was like 18, my girlfriend broke up with me and I just graduated from high school and I was really lost and confused.
And when she broke up with me, I was devastated.
I couldn't believe I had to be without her.
And it was very much like withdrawal from a drug.
It was like probably the worst breakup for me ever because it was the first one.
And I was like, I can't believe this.
Like, this is crazy.
And then I just was amazed at how potent it was on my system, you know, and how it would fuck with my psyche and my mind.
I felt like a loser.
I felt like if this girl didn't want me, like, I must be a fool.
And I think adult men, especially married men, have to understand that you're constantly in high school when you're married.
Dale Aiken, when I was eight years old, he said, dude, when you're married, you can just go up to your wife and go, let me see your tits.
And she has to show you her tits right there.
And I thought, I cannot fucking wait.
I remember saying, I'm just going to put my face in her vagina and just go, boo.
But you can't do that.
If I went up to my wife and said, show me your tits, she'd say, fuck off.
So you're constantly wooing them and courting them.
And I had a buddy who got divorced recently, and he said, I just found myself having to draw lines in the sand and make these parameters around how I can be treated and how I can be spoken to.
And he goes, I've never had to do that before.
I shouldn't have to do that.
And I go, dude, that's what marriage is.
You're constantly on a date.
I was on a date with my wife last night.
We got a hotel in the city.
My kids are staying with their grand.
We're here on vacation in Malibu.
And I was constantly going, all right, I wanted her to have a good night.
She wants to get tacos.
But also, I have to draw the line and say, no, actually, we're going here.
We're going to the comedy store.
We're going to meet Don Barris and go upstairs and blah, blah, blah.
So I was giving her some democracy, but also taking the reins.
And it's a push and pull that we've been married.
We've known each other since 2001.
But it's constantly like this first date, trying to get in her pants, watch the real housewives, pretend I care about that chick who has Pinot Grigio all the time.
No, if you are, you have a very strange relationship.
And you're probably not going to be satisfied with it because that's part of what's going on in a relationship is that wooing is also like kind of that wooing and courting and being nice to each other.
It's very important to like how the whole thing works.
Well, we don't encourage it, but if you're defending, like at the Berkeley thing with Milo, we just, my guys, just 14 of them just walked into a mob of 200 people.
Said, I thought you guys were tough.
No, they were doing it just for fun.
And these people outside of pepper spray and clubs, they can't fight.
Like at the NYU thing, my guys were beating them up.
And he goes, this one guy we call Friar Tuck because he's just a monster.
He goes, I started feeling batting it.
I started feeling bad after a while because I was just, I could tell these kids had never been in a fight.
Like, why are they getting so angry that they're hitting people and spraying that girl in the face?
The girl was really disturbing because she was talking to someone.
She wasn't offering any threat.
And she had a hat that looked like a Make America Great Again hat, but it said Make Bitcoin great again.
They walk up to her.
The guy hits her with a stick that's holding a sign.
So he hits her in the head with a piece of wood.
And she's like, what the fuck?
And someone sprays her in the face with pepper spray.
I mean, it's like, how, in any way, how could you ever, in any other scenario, justify beating a woman publicly for doing nothing but representing what you think is offensive.
And you're even wrong about what she's representing.
The problem with what you're saying is you're implying that these are all informed people, right and left, and they need to hash out ideas.
No.
These people on the right are intelligent people who have looked it up and want to debate.
You want to see a good debate?
Look at Pat Buchanan versus Sean Hannity or Peter Brimelow versus some open borders libertarian like Matt Walsh or something or someone from the Wall Street Journal.
All the inner right fights are fascinating to me.
These people are religious fanatics.
For them, it's sports.
It's the Dallas Cowboys is their team and they want to fuck up your team.
They don't want to debate.
Like Jared Diamond, who did Guns, Germs, and Steel.
Tons of flaws with that book.
Steve Saylor was begging him for a debate.
He wouldn't answer.
Jared Taylor, John Derbyshire, all these, even Richard Spencer, all these far-right guys have made it clear they'd love to argue with anyone on the other side.
And the other side knows that they will lose because their foundation isn't truth or information.
Their foundation is just emotions.
We're a nation of immigrants.
Oh, everything's racist.
Oh, gays are people too.
And you're like, you think I don't think gays are fucking people?
And she was also saying that he promotes genocide.
Like, you can't just throw those labels out and that, I mean, it's a clear example of what we're talking about because those labels allow her to do anything necessary to get you out of the mix.
That's authoritative thinking, authoritarian thinking in a way that's eliminating someone else from expressing themselves because you have deemed them unworthy of expressing themselves.
This is a racist.
This is a homophobe.
This is someone who promotes genocide.
We will shut them down.
Like you, that's that's nonsense.
And you could see from her talking on that show that she talks over him.
She doesn't express herself well.
She doesn't have clearly thought-out reasons for why she's saying he does these things.
She doesn't have quotes that she's relying on.
She doesn't say why it's so dangerous that he has these controversial opinions.
She just says he's a Nazi.
He's a racist.
He's a homophobe.
He promotes genocide.
We're going to shut him down.
Well, you can't just say that.
You can't just label people because someone could do that to you too.
So there's a van that drives to this house in New Orleans and picks up these black people.
And then they what?
They go to a gas chamber.
How does this work?
What happens to their property?
Is that divvied up?
Does the state own that now?
Like, are you talking about the Cuban Revolution?
The irony is, by the way, whenever you start describing their universe, you end up describing Venezuela, Cuba, socialist countries, or you end up describing the Middle East.
Oh, he's going to, what, throw gays off buildings?
He's going to start stoning women to death who are rape victims.
You have your villains right there, but you're purposely ignoring them.
And the other thing that's going on here, which is still a theory I'm working on, but there seems to be a disturbing peek at what a matriarchy would be like.
And I'm seeing a lot of women in these movements who are sort of vindictive and cruel.
And like this woman we're talking about, you know, you watch these videos and you hear like, fuck him up, get him, get him.
Well, there's not a whole lot of matriarchal societies in the animal world other than hyenas.
There's a few of them.
There's a few where the females are larger than the males.
A few bugs, especially.
But hyenas in particular, the female hyenas are much larger than the males.
They even have fake dicks.
They have a faux penis.
He has this big, large tube, fake dick that hangs down.
They actually give birth out of it.
And they climb on top of the males and they fuck them.
And the speculation, there's a lot of speculation as to why the females are bigger, but one of them is that they think that she has to be bigger because hyenas are so goddamn ruthless, they eat their babies.
Well, I actually have described Antifa and these people as hyenas because that thing I was talking about at Berkeley, where our guys went in and said, I thought you guys were like tough or something, was his exact quote.
And they're going, get him, get him, fuck him up.
And then the guys sort of give up because no one wants to fight them.
They start walking away, and then someone runs up behind him, knocks him out with a flagpole.
As they're screaming, these Italian slogans, by the way, like, no, fascista, anti fascista, from the 1920s.
And again, you start kicking their ass, and then they're going to come back with weapons, and people are going to show up with guns.
It always leads to someone showing up with guns.
Maybe.
And if this keeps going and these protests, especially the things like the Milo protest, I mean, maybe now that Milo has been humiliated and at least temporarily sidetracked or put down for a bit while he has to rebuild, maybe someone can come along and have reasonable dialogue and do some sort of a campus speech.
Why is he doing these things on campuses, first of all?
My theory with Milo is I think his eyesight's getting worse.
his glasses are getting thicker and thicker and he's sort of going this is my moment to make an impact so he's just like what you think he's going blind i I think so, yeah.
Because if you see women as so special that it's a major thing to go over there, then you must have a 1950s view of a lady that's a Doris Day girl with a poodle skirt doing the vacuuming.
Because liberals and college students just go, you and I are chicks.
So they don't see it as a long jump.
But Bruce Jenner sees it as this massive pole vault.
So it says starting to make his mark on Trump's transition team.
Thiel, a billionaire investor and Facebook board member, joined the transition team days after the election and gradually bringing in other members of his circle.
While Thiel clashed with Silicon Valley during the campaign by endorsing Trump early, this group may be the strongest or only bridge between the tech industry and the president-elect.
This is, to me, while Gavin's peeing, this is to me the most volatile time that I can ever remember.
Like the most vulnerable I've felt like our country is like as a nation, like as a structure, as a traditional structure, like president and vice president, Congress and Senate.
Now that Gavin has returned, I was saying that I think this is the most vulnerable I've ever felt like this country is in terms of like its structure.
I have a friend whose daughter is going to the school, and he is absolutely furious because the teacher has tenure.
You literally can't fire them unless they commit some sort of a felony.
And this woman doesn't give a fuck about her classes.
And he was describing how negligent she is as a teacher and how careless and how little effort she puts into it because she has the class.
It's hers.
It's like a free paycheck.
And she's just not the type of person that's committed to her work.
And she can't be fired.
And he's so furious and so frustrated with the public school system and how it all works that he's going to pull his daughter out and put her in a private school now.
No, look, mom, I'm no Hillary supporter by any stretch of the imagination.
I think she's impossibly corrupt.
I think she represents this system where people get to a place of influence and they use that influence to make massive amounts of money by giving speeches to bankers and finding ways to profit.
And look, they're shutting down the Clinton Foundation, right?
Yeah, I mean, the whole thing was a big, as soon as she doesn't have any power anymore, gee, how weird that this whole thing is shutting down.
It's a pay-to-play scheme.
And that's really what it's been the entire time.
And everyone knows that.
But it's one of those things where the left didn't want to talk about it because it weakens their position.
It strengthens the right.
But by not talking about it, it makes them extremely vulnerable as well.
So I'm no supporter of anything that she stands for or Bill stands for, especially now.
But he makes me nervous.
They're spending more money on travel.
And he complained how much Obama spent on travel.
Trump will have spent more money on travel in the first seven months than Obama did in the entire eight years he was in the White House because he's flying back and forth to Mar-a-Lago, back and forth to Manhattan.
He's doing whatever the fuck he wants.
Flying his kids when his kids have to fly to do business for him, when they're opening up casinos.
When you're making these statements online, you're doing it to not just because you have something to say, which I believe there's something there, but also because you want love.
You want people to like what you're saying.
You want people to retweet it.
You want people to say, hey, that guy is really on the ball.
That girl is really on top of politics.
Yeah, you go, girl.
You know, you're saying the right things.
Yeah, fuck him.
We got to get him.
But they're not thinking this thing out.
You had a contest.
There's a fucking contest.
The person that you had go against the person that you didn't want to win sucked.
So the person who won won the fucking contest.
You can't just come in and say now the military has to take over because I don't agree with the results of the contest.
We have a country.
The country's filled with 350 million people.
Enough with your shitty electoral college system decided that this guy should win the contest.
He won.
He won fucking fair and square.
Whether or not the Russians were involved in hacking the DNC, take that aside.
Look at it for what it is because what the Russians exposed was fucking corruption.
There was so much animosity built up against the establishment that when Rodney Dangerfield showed up in tartan pants and said, hey, whoa, whoa, what someone stepped on a duck, we all went, that fucking guy, I want him to come in and just blow it all up and let's start from scratch.
Like Milo's sentence has been construed to mean he wants 13-year-olds to have sex all the time with adults.
Every time they get a like, Ann Coulter said, our blacks are better than their blacks.
She meant conservative blacks tend to be more well-researched because they get a hammering at Thanksgiving from their family and they're not conforming to the majority of their race.
So they tend to be hardened.
That gets construed into, Ann Coulter thinks we still have slaves and we own blacks.
So you can just see the way these tax returns, especially in an era where we seem to hate entrepreneurs and we seem to hate wealth.
I mean, I've heard so many people criticize Trump saying he's a billionaire or the Betsy DeVos because she's a billionaire.
And you go, since when is that a fucking insult?
That's the only thing everyone on earth wants to be.
I mean, you're kind of setting up a bit of a straw man with that because I don't think that's just what people are challenging and what people are upset about with Trump.
What they're upset about is that they believe that he might be influenced by foreign governments that have a vested interest in controlling our democracy.
And that's what the Russian thing is scary.
If he's making considerable amount of money in Russia and a considerable amount of money in China, you have to wonder whether or not he will be influenced by that financial tie, by those financial ties, and whether or not that will influence the policy that he creates in this country, whether or not he allows things to happen that we don't think should happen just so that he can profit.
Well, some people are going to be able to analyze them and come up with accurate assessments of where he's being influenced and where he makes money and why that could be a problem and why it could be a conflict of interest.
But we should be able to have that information.
And every single president before him has been forthcoming with that information.
I mean, you should absolutely, you're the president.
You shouldn't, it's very eroding.
It erodes the public confidence if you hide that, if you conceal that, if you don't tell us where you have your money stored, you don't tell us where you're making money, where you have bank accounts, where you're, you know, there's a lot of factors involved in a guy like Trump who's running a massive global empire.
And if we don't know where he's being influenced through his financial connections, I feel like that's really problematic.
And I think it's a real dangerous thing to deny it because it's always just been what presidents do, and we've always said it was a good thing.
Well, it's not empowering their cause to be exaggerating about his stances on things like gay rights or any of these other things.
It's not empowering.
So when you say he's KKK, when you say he's anti-gay, when you say he's racist, without like real proof, like you could say that he has said some very racist things about some Mexicans.
Well, whether or not he's doing it on purpose or whether or not just by finding things that he can say that back up his point, he's starting that conversation off in a way that they wouldn't ordinarily start off.
And whenever you have people from one culture that immigrate into another culture and they're disenfranchised and poor, and they have a really, I'm just going to keep going with it.
And they also have a really restrictive, fucked up culture that they're coming from.
And they want to impose that culture on the people that live in Germany or wherever.
And they want women to start wearing long dresses and they treat them like they're whores if they don't.
That's all fucking real dangerous.
They're from a different part of the world.
And it's a part of the world that hasn't changed much in a long time.
And that part of the world, I mean, you could call it culture, you can call it religious tradition, but whenever you're dealing with a part of the world that still has honor killings and female genital mutilation and you don't let women drive and women aren't allowed to vote and you have this incredibly restrictive world that you're you're existing in and then you bring that world somewhere else you're gonna have a culture clash and you're seeing that and this is this is you know if if you want people to be free and you want people to have the ability to
integrate into a more free culture like America is, you also have to be honest about what the consequences are.
And you have to be honest about what kind of culture they're coming from.
And as soon as you talk about that, you get labeled an Islamophobe.
As soon as you talk about this incredibly restrictive, misogynistic culture that's based on an ancient series of rituals and beliefs, you become a racist and a bigot by talking about a reality.
i think irshad manji in uh uh the trouble with islam she says a weird group of wasabis just hijacked their religion and sent it into the dark ages and i go yeah but how were they vulnerable to hijacking christianity couldn't be hijacked by the snake guys so why and i think a part of it was inbreeding uh this is your own theory no no no look at Inbreeding, major, major problems.
Especially with immigrants in Britain, like the Pakistanis in London, they'll have all kinds of serious inbreeding problems because that's an even smaller sample size you're dealing with.
Snopes is, once I found out about the origins of Snopes and who's running Snopes, the guy who married a prostitute and left his wife and didn't know the whole deal, that That guy's partying.
He married some woman who was an escort.
You ever seen the story on Snopes?
Yeah, the guy who ran Snopes ran it with his wife, left his wife for a prostitute.
She's suing him because all the money he spent on prostitutes.
And now he married the prostitute and she's not a prostitute anymore.
So listen to the BBC investigation in Britain several years ago revealed that at least 55% of the Pakistani community in Britain was married to a first cousin.
The Times of India affirmed that, in quotes, this is thought to be linked to probability, to the probability that a British Pakistani family, British Pakistani family, is at least 13 times more likely than the general population to have children with the recessive genetic disorders.
Holy shit.
BBC's research also discovered that while British Pakistanis account for just 3.4% of all births in Britain, they accounted for 30% of all British children with recessive disorders and a higher rate of infant mortality.
What in the fuck?
Labor Party MP has called for a ban on first cousin marriage.
Medical evidence shows that one of the negative consequences of inbreeding is a 100% increase in the risk of stillbirths.
One study comparing the Norwegians in Pakistani showed that the risk of child of the child dying during labor increases by 50%.
Increases 400% among children from cousin marriages.
Let me say that again.
The risk of having an IQ lower than 70 increases 400% amongst children from cousin marriages.
An academic paper published in the Indian National Science Academy found that the onset of various social profiles like visual fixation, social smile, and sound seizures, oral expression, and hand grasping are significantly delayed among the newborn inbred babies.
But I say to him, I go, fine, let's get it out there.
The free market will figure out insurance for the doomed, some sort of catastrophic policy, but there'll be more money over here to even it out.
Information has to come out.
We need this information about inbreeding.
I think it explains the hijacking of Muslim religion.
You know, Hasidic Jews have the same problem, but they, because they're aware of this and the truth is out, they have all kinds of elaborate DNA tests they do on each other.
Not everyone takes it, but rabbis will encourage this for us to check you out and make sure you're not related and encourage this marriage because it makes the most genetic sense.
I actually had this crazy theory in church the other day where I thought, is it possible that we're in heaven?
Like, you know how the concept of heaven is unfathomable, right?
It's something that's totally different from where we are now.
And it's this infinite universe thing that our brains can't handle.
And then I was thinking, wait a minute, this sounds like a sperm trying to figure out what Earth is.
Maybe the sperm was us.
Being born was dying.
Now we're alive here on heaven and we're slowly getting closer and closer to perfection.
I mean, lifespan's been getting better.
The quality of life has been getting better.
We're going to die soon.
But in like 50 generations with CRISPR's and all this incredible genetic information, soon we might be able to just be like, we have cured your liver cancer.
Well, it's going to get really weird because they're going to be able to integrate the human beings that are here today with not just communication, not just visual information, but some sort of computer language.
Jamie and I were just talking about this yesterday where we were talking about emojis.
And, you know, and this is something that has been brought up before, that emojis are in many ways a lot like hieroglyphs.
And that you can say something with emojis that can kind of translate what you're thinking without an actual language.
And we were saying, we're going to get down to the only words you say are like yes and no, like yeah and no, like nods and affirmations and confirmations.
And the language that we speak could be some sort of a weird universal emoji-based language that's just expressed from mind to mind through some neural implants or some fucking Snapchat glasses we wear.
I mean, we're not too far away from something really bizarre and paradigm shifting like that.
Well, I remember when downloading your brain was just science fiction movies.
And, you know, you talk to people our age about their dead grandfather and they go, I have this black and white photo and I have this letter he wrote the newspaper in 1896.
That's all I got.
My life, my kids will never be able to read all the articles I've written or watch all the videos I've done.
They'll never get through them all.
They can watch them for 100 hours if they're bored, but there's way more of my brain permanently out there in the cosmos than they could ever want.
You know, Kurzweil's thing is that he wants to somehow or another recreate his father because his father died when he was young, and he has some information about his father, and he has some DNA that obviously is his, and he has, you know, photographs and memories, and he wants to figure out a way to literally recreate his father and have a conversation with him.
It was this beautiful microchip that just started the first domino, and everything else is going to this place, like the singularity is near, this incredible perfection that we're headed to, and there's all these checks and balances along the way.
Like I was reading about Audrey Hepburn the other day, and she was super skinny, right?
Breakfast at Tiffany's Chick.
She grew up in, I think, Holland during the war, and the Nazis cut off Holland from all supplies, so they were forced to eat tulips, and hundreds of thousands of them starved to death.
And Audrey Hepburn was from that world, and she was a skinny chick who didn't need a lot of food.
And then all of her ancestors'kids became obese, big, giant, fat pigs.
And they say it could have been genetic memory, where their bodies went, holy shit, you found Doritos?
I'm going to hold on to this because you're never going to find one again.
And I've noticed this in L.A. with all these Mexicans I see everywhere.
They seem more obese than the general populace, and I think they have genetic memory from a generation or two ago where food was scarce, and their bodies hold on to it more thoroughly.
I've heard that with people getting organ transplants as well, where they have hungers, like they have hunger pangs for something that they never craved before.
You go to Latin Mass and it's just like, I somnaps maratu nus frita.
Like I don't know what they're saying, but I'm in this incredible building that's that's blown.
I was talking to Milo about it once when he was last in New York and I go, it is kind of unusual how good these churches are, like how beautiful they are.
Do you feel like when the contractors were making them like the stained glass, it was like they're on Adderall and they had this sort of divine intervention where they're like, holy fuck, I'm really good today.
Like, I can't believe how well this carving's turning out.
You want to talk about something that'll blow your mind as far as like the religious undertones and the majestic magnificence of its construction.
St. Peter's Basilica.
I mean, the whole Vatican is incredible.
The artwork is just amazing.
I mean, we're there for hours and hours wandering around.
We had this really cool professor we hired as a guide who was amazing.
He told us all the history of everything.
But when you get to St. Peter's Basilica, he was explaining how many hundreds of years it took to build, and they're building all this shit with no electricity, no machines, no nothing.
Everything's massive and perfect and beautiful.
It's like, you're looking at such an incredible work of art that's designed to inspire awe and reverence.
the motivation behind building something like this fucking hundreds of years ago.
And you see this, my wife's American Indian and at all those ceremonies, it's, we give thanks to the North, we give thanks to the West, we give thanks to the East And that's what church is.
It's just like, I don't know the details, but thank you for that.
I think that's a great way to live life, is living life with gratitude.
And I try to be thankful all the time.
I'm a very lucky person, and I've always been very lucky, and I'm always very thankful, too.
I try to be very generous.
I try to be very thankful, try to be friendly as much as I can.
And all those things I think sort of build onto it.
But to have it and define it and to put it into like a religion, that's where things can get awry because they can get screwy when you're sort of defining things by this ancient set of rules that was sort of established before we really understood science, before we really understood the laws of thermodynamics, the way the universe is formed, what we know now about the cosmos.
It's just there's so many variables that have to be taken into account when you're looking at an entire system, when you're trying to define what God is and what religion is.
And then you look at how restrictive religion has been in the past and how many people have suffered because the discoveries that they had didn't jive with the ancient texts.
For the longest time, Islam was like the foundation of science and the foundation of literature.
Like before, you know, like before Genghis Khan came riding into Iraq and fucked up Baghdad and turned the river red with blood and black with ink, as they said.
Like they were some of the best scholars in the world.
It was like some of the best mathematics, some of the best writing had come out of the Islamic world.
And they had been conquered and destroyed.
And so much of that was lost.
And the ebb and flow of these cultures, to us, seems like such a long time to go from 1200 to 2017.
Thinking about the whole Catholics versus Protestant things goes back to the ultimate core of all arguments, which is nature versus nurture.
And the Catholics say some people are better than others.
Some people are special.
The Protestants say, we're all the same.
The guy up there on that pedestal isn't better.
And I vacillate myself, like you, for example.
Are you special?
Are you magic?
Are you blessed?
Like, you're on that show.
Your career has been so weird.
It seems like every time you get thrown out of a plane, we come back a few days later and you got a coconut stand and you're wearing a grass skirt and you're like, hi, come on in.
These are where everyone sits for their coconut juice.
And maybe you were kind of the Judaism seems to say that you're a chosen one, that there's some people who are picked by God, like that Da Vinci Code thing with Tom Hanks, where some people are just way better than others.
Like I was having dinner with Sean Lennon, but you've got to get him on the show.
One of the most interesting guys I ever met in my life.
But he was, he's a Mason.
Him and Vincent Galloway are masons.
And during one of his doohickeys, I hope he doesn't mind me telling this.
But there are these like, here's some nosna torato guys that are looking through like a wood thing.
And they invited him to the heavy shit one that's like made of gold and is through a book where you go upside down and you have to swim there and you come out of the thing and you wear a cloak and you hold like a diamond sword or something.
I'm just making that up, right?
Some super fancy one.
And he's like, I didn't do it because that's not me.
I don't feel like doing that.
I'm not going to go to the fancy one.
I want to be with my boys.
And I was thinking later, yeah, but maybe you are that juyanzara Da Vinci code, guys.
We know people that are just really fucking smart.
They're just born really fucking smart.
They're smarter than me.
I talk to them.
I go, Jesus.
And then there's other people that are athletically gifted, like Michael Jordan.
Like, you can't, like, there's not a chance in hell.
Like, take Jonah Hill.
Jonah Hill could work every day, all day, for the rest of his fucking life.
He's never going to play basketball like Michael Jordan.
It is impossible.
If Michael Jordan never worked out, ever, like, never, like, literally just kind of did normal stuff like everybody else does, like, went to the gym, took a spin class, he could probably jump way fucking higher than Jonah Hill.
He could probably run way faster than Jonah Hill.
And he'd probably be better at anything he applied himself to athletically because he's got a gift.
He's clearly genetically gifted.
You know, I think the same could be said of Carl Malone.
Same could be said of Mike Tyson.
The same could be said of a bunch of great athletes.
The same could be said of Brock Lesnar.
No matter what you do, you can lift weights all your fucking life.
You're never going to be as strong as that guy who's the mountain.
Well, in fighting, in striking in particular, there is, well, it exists in grappling as well.
There's strength in grappling.
That's like some people have just freak strength.
But I believe that that could be nurtured more than striking strength.
When people are good hitters, strikers, like guys who are power punchers and power kickers, there's only so much you can teach someone.
You can teach someone proper technique, but power is something that's just given to you by the Great Beyond.
And no one understands it, and no one knows why.
You could take two guys, one of them looks exactly like the other one.
They're built the same, they both have big muscles, they both have big hands, and one of them can punch a hole through the fucking universe, and the other one can barely make the bag move.
It doesn't make any sense, and no one knows why.
You could take someone and their body looks completely unimpressive, but when they hit people, people just go flat, and no one knows why.
Well, why don't we transfer that hard truth to intellect?
Yes.
There's this myth that we all need to be educated.
We all have to go to college.
When my dad was young in Britain, you did your O-levels at 13, and my dad had a high IQ, his brothers didn't.
So they sifted through just like a Pink Floyd video and they sifted him over to a scholarship in private school and they sifted his brothers over to work in a printing press.
And they all did fine.
They had good jobs and they were taking advantage of their skills.
And then we came up with this idea where everyone had to go to college.
And now, to lower the bar so everyone can get in, we have all these retarded classes.
There's a class at NYU called 20-something, where it's just about being 20-something.
Done.
Everyone there is 20-something.
And you go, now you just wasted your time by not admitting that some people are special.
And that's what I was getting at earlier with the Western culture thing.
Some cultures are better.
Some are more advanced.
There might be a satellite of people that are just magic.
Like Jimmy Kimmel.
He kept having his career shat on when he was in sports radio.
He had this woman above him who was out to sabotage him.
Well, you've figured out a way now, particularly with your show, to let your personality shine through.
Like to like your unique way of looking at things, very thorough examination of the world around you and an honest take on that also happens to be humorous.
And so while we were on hiatus, I had hair transplants.
They take a piece of meat back here, take the hair, and they move it all up in here.
And the way I, you know, it doesn't work because eventually the other hair falls out and it's just left with this mess.
But yeah, I regretted it.
It was a stupid thing to do.
And people make irrational choices that can become permanent.
And if you don't think that some people who decide that they would be happier as a woman and then become a woman and then are miserable because first of all, their hormonal profile has changed.
They don't have a penis anymore.
They don't have their testicles anymore.
They wish they could go back to where they were.
You don't think that that's possible?
That those people who have major surgery could also possibly have major regret.
That is dishonest.
It's disingenuous.
And you're adhering to an ideology rather than looking at something in a completely objective and open and honest way.
Not only that, there's also this, there's a real problem in that you're not allowed to bring that up.
Like we know, when you look at the average person, whether they're gay or straight, the average people, men and women out there in the world, there's a certain amount that are going to be schizophrenic.
There's a certain amount that are going to have all sorts of mental illnesses, depression, et cetera.
There's a certain amount.
When you start talking about transgender people, you are no longer allowed to take that into consideration.
And you must treat every transgender person as if they are 100% mentally healthy, which is insanely rare in regular people.
Well, when time moves on, and once we really do eliminate all the things that trouble us when it comes down to homophobia or racism, all these issues that really still do exist, you're going to be left with the actual human beings themselves.
So when no one is transphobic, when no one's homophobic and no one's racist, they can judge you for who you are.
But we're not in a lot of ways because people get free passes if they are transgender, if they're gay.
Like a guy like Caitlin Jenner saying that he doesn't support gay marriage.
Like you get a fucking free pass.
Like you're getting a free pass.
Here's the best free pass that Caitlin Jenner got.
She fucking killed a person.
She slammed her car into some lady because she wasn't paying attention slammed her fucking escalate and pushed her into oncoming traffic and the lady died and no one brings it up.
You're sitting there and you're like, I got my BLT.
You didn't toast the bread.
It's like socks.
You just put a sock on a tomato and some, and now when I touch it, it forms in the shape of my fingers.
It's like a temperpedic mattress.
You can't fucking toast bread.
And then some black guy is like, I fucking hate when they do that.
Who has a sandwich that's not toasted?
And by the way, the Giants suck this year.
And you feel the same way about toast, the same way about the Giants, and you go, oh, yeah, I'm going to deny myself this interesting conversation because you're a Negro.
Well, you know, you're painting some very simplistic scenarios that deal with a really complex issue.
People prejudging people and people not liking people or people identifying with other people that look like them, like you and me being two white guys.
Okay, the racist you're describing doesn't like black people.
I'm bringing up a scenario where if he sees a black person, say there is a racism, it's like this thin veneer, oily slick in the bathtub when you have brill cream and you take a bath.
All you got to do to go through it is just go, boop.
So the second that black guy says, I hate the Giants this year, that guy's racism just goes, boop.
I mean, I have so much more prejudice for people who wear flip-flops, for men who have those utility backpacks when they wear a suit.
But if young Jamie with his IT tech slash comedians outfit, if he was wearing that and he had maybe like a certain type of backpack, what would he be allowed?
Like, if he starts fucking with the First Amendment, I'm going to drag him out of there by his heels.
I'm not excited about this son-in-law getting a job.
That sounds like nepotism to me.
What a coincidence.
Your son-in-law is the most qualified person for the job.
There's times when the tweets can be petty.
I don't know why we're talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger's ratings.
And no, I'm not excited about the travel budget, although he is doing a lot of shit.
But as far as what we've come out with and the amount of fucking left-wing backpadding that we've been going through for the past eight years, I'm fucking ecstatic.
But he's like, you know, you just got to abandon some of what you're doing because some of what he's doing is fighting the good fight against irrational feminism that denies the biological differences between men and women and lies about the gender wage gap and all these different things that he does accurately point out, which people parrot all the fucking time and drives me nuts.
I've talked about it way too many times in the show, but that goddamn gender gap was in The Guardian yesterday.
Smart people that I know who have not looked into it or haven't had debates about it with other people don't understand what the gender pay gap really is.
And it's simply a matter of working less hours and choosing different jobs.
It's not two people, one man, one woman, working side by side, doing the same job where the woman makes significantly less.
And that's what we're being led to believe.
And that is a real sticking point with feminism.
They're being dishonest in their portrayal of the issues of the workplace.
And I've noticed that not just in Hipster Williamsburg, but, you know, at Fox News, I would get that from people who didn't have kids.
You're sitting at Fox News and you're looking around the table and you're like, we're sitting here talking about family values and the future of America.
And I'm the only person in this entire panel with kids.
And I can't help but think that Angela Merkel's suicidal policy of bring in the refugees and fuck the whole country up is somehow linked to her childlessness.
If you're out there right now and you're in a relationship with a girl, you guys live together, I don't know why she's allowed to wear clothes in the house.
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