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Feb. 23, 2017 - The Joe Rogan Experience

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Joe Rogan Experience #920 - Gavin McInnes

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		My guest today is Gavin McGinnis.
		Gavin is a funny fellow.
		He is a libertarian.
		He is an outrage peddler.
		He's a very smart and fun guy to hang out and talk to, and I really enjoyed our conversation.
		And I know this is like, he gets lumped in with that whole alt-right group.
		And, you know, he's got some interesting beliefs, and some of them I agree with, and some of them I don't.
		But I think he's a very reasonable guy, and I think he's an entertaining guy, and I like talking to him.
		And when I have too many people on that are right, people start thinking, oh, you're in the right, man.
		You're going right on us.
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		No, I like having different people on with different opinions.
		And sometimes I schedule too many right people in a row, but it's just how it works.
		You know, it's just scheduling.
		It's not on purpose.
		It's just, that's how it worked out.
		They're available.
		They're in town, whatever.
		What am I making excuses?
		He's a great guy.
		I enjoy talking to him.
		Give it up for Gavin McGinnis.
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		Gavin McGinnis.
		First beer already cracked.
		Dressed up like Michael Douglas and falling down.
		Show him the briefcase.
		Show him the briefcase.
unidentified		I got the exact briefcase he had.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are those the same glasses he had?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Basically, yeah, Ray Bands.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And a normal protector.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Would not wear a pocket protector, correct?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No one wears them anymore.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But everyone in the movie has one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, whenever you want to have a geek in a movie, like some sort of science character, he has to have a pocket protector.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I got all this on eBay.
		If you have some pre-planning, you can get a costume for like $10.
		So this is $1.50.
		It would have taken me months to find this on the street.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how do you find a pocket protector?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		eBay.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		eBay, eBay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		eBay and the tie, I assume, is yours.
		The shirt.
		Is that your shirt?
		Did you buy that shirt?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's a great example of what I'm talking about.
		I had to find this in New York.
		It took me like two hours.
		I had to go to a uniform supply store.
		Huge pain in the ass.
		I could have got it on eBay or Amazon for two seconds.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a weird kind of shirt, right?
		A button-up shirt with short sleeves that you wear with a tie.
		That's an odd look.
		It's like I'm formal, but I'm not because I need my forearms free.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like LA.
		Everyone in that movie has one.
		It's like an LA business IT guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Back then.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Back then.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No one wears them anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now it's like a hoodie.
		That's like an IT guy wear like a weird t-shirt and a hoodie.
		Like Jamie.
		He'd be dressed exactly like Jamie.
		Look, that's what a hoodie.
		That's what an IT guy is dressed in.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's a comedian uniform, too.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They all wear that American apparel sweatshirt.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Oh, that's his own.
		That's a Jamie Vernon special.
		It says, pull that shit up.
		Yeah.
		And you can get that at youngjamie.com.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Pull that shit up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm always telling him whenever there's something going on in the news or we're talking about something we don't know what the answer is.
		Like, what is that?
		Oh, pull that shit up, Jamie.
		And he'll find it up on YouTube.
		Speaking of pull that shit up, I like this.
		I like your profile because I think you get lumped into like a lot of really fucked up, crazy people because you've got some controversial ideas.
		But I like what you did.
		I like this pro-West, pro-gun, pro-life, pro-gay, pro-Israel, pro-Trump, anti-Nazi.
		I don't know what antifa is.
		I see it all the time.
		I'm sure you can explain it to us.
		Anti-censorship, anti-feminist, anti-Islam.
		You leave your heart on your sleeve.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's really handy to do that.
		I just did that about a week ago, but in this day and age, we're in a weird era where it's like a philosophy age.
		We're all Romans all of a sudden, like Socrates sitting here philosophizing, and you kind of have to make everyone know exactly where you stand on this spectrum.
		Because if you're slightly right of center, you're alt-right and you're a Nazi.
		You go, no, those guys hate me, but I hate these guys, so I'm here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're pro-gay.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think gays are just, you're born gay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And the idea that, you know, I know I've lived in the city since I was 18, so I've been around gays for a quarter century, and I think of these guys I know that have been together for 10 years, and I go, so let me get this straight.
		These two are going to break up, according to you, an evangelical person, and then they're just going to make out with some chick with blonde hair and eat her out.
		And like, fuck her and have a boner and pray to God.
		Come on.
		You know that won't happen.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I wonder how much of homosexual behavior could be induced by molestation at an early age, though.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the million-dollar question.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That seems to be a real factor.
		And this is not denying people that are born gay, but I think there's a spectrum.
		And I think there's most certainly some gay acts that are committed on young people.
		And horrifically, those people tend to, on a pretty frequent basis, do the same thing to other young kids.
		It gets really weird in terms of the victims becoming the victimizer.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know where you're going with this.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		We're walking into the elephant in the room.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're kind of not even.
		I'm just talking about, I was listening to the George Takai interview today because they're Trying to pull up everybody.
		Now that the Milo thing is out, they're pulling up everybody who in any way has condoned sex with underage people.
		And George Takai was talking about his own experiences in camp, and it was on Stern Show.
		And he was just talking about what he, the way he was describing it as a positive experience with a kid who was in his late teens.
		I think he said he was 19, and he was like 13, somewhere in that age.
		And, you know, it's absolutely child molestation.
		It's absolutely illegal.
		But the way he was describing it, he was pretty much describing it as a positive experience.
		Right.
		Which when it's your experience, I mean, it's illegal.
		The guy did something that was against the law, but boy, that's a weird area because it's his experience that he was talking about.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, here's the deal, and this is a mistake Milo made.
		You have to acknowledge that what you're talking about is fucked up and horrible and wrong, but you just so happen to have not had a bad experience within those parameters.
		Right.
		Like say you were raped as a woman and you came.
		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which, by the way, happens for some strange people.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so if you're one of those women and you're about to say that, you have to understand that we're going into a very dangerous place right now.
		And you can't say, look, some rapes are absolutely fabulous and women have come from them.
		You have to say, this is fucking horrible.
		Rape is evil.
		But I, by some weird freak of nature, actually liked it.
unidentified		Or a murder.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure there's times when you murdered a guy and he ended up, he was a mass murder and it was a good murder.
		And you go, okay, I'm describing a murder.
		I am not condoning murder.
		But in this weird case, it worked.
		And Milo's mistake was he said, it worked for me.
		And then he implied that it could work for a ton of other gays to be fucked at 13.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he did that Drunken Peasants podcast, and his take on it from the drunken peasants was different than his take on it from mine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And on my podcast, it seemed more like he was trying to make light of something that most likely definitely did happen to him.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The Father Michael thing?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So there's two.
		There's the Father Michael thing, and I don't know if I believe that.
		I think that's just a, I've heard him say that joke a few times where he's like, I never would have given such good head if it wasn't for Father Michael.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you think that might be something that he's constructed?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe it.
		I don't know why.
		That's just my gut.
		And then the other thing was condoning sexual relationships with 13-year-olds.
		And he said, especially in the gay world.
		Now, I know of straight guys who were, a straight guy I'm thinking of in particular, who was molested at camp.
		And it was by an older gay camp counselor.
		This guy thinks of that guy every day.
		He follows him on LinkedIn, hoping he'll die.
		He wants to murder him.
		So the problem with what Milo said is you end up normalizing this behavior and say it's okay in the gay world.
		Next thing you know, some older gay who's at camp goes, well, this is probably a fag that I'm blowing.
		So this is okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So what I say to these gays, these 13-year-old gays that go, I would be okay with fucking a 29-year-old.
		I go, well, I'm sorry, but we're not normalizing that because the vast, vast majority of times, it doesn't turn out well.
		So no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a very good way of putting it.
		You know, and it's really disturbing.
		Well, the Milo thing is so odd because, first of all, I think he's got this act.
		And let's call it an act because part of it has got to be an act.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He's got a wide spectrum of his personalities.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So on Bill Maher, he can be a raging Liberace queen with pearls on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dressed like a woman.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, dressed like a woman.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Camper than any woman, I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And then for the apology, he's the conservative with the Coke bottle glasses.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's sort of like when a Jamaican goes back to Jamaica and they start speaking in patois like their grandmother.
		You're not necessarily lying.
		It's just a wide range of you's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he plays it up.
		And there's definitely a performance piece to a lot of what he does.
		What's really interesting is he's very good at riling people up.
		He's obviously very good at getting people upset.
		And in doing so, he's created these sort of false narratives about him, that he's a Nazi, that he promotes genocide.
		I mean, there were so many people outside the Berkeley thing that were screaming, calling him a Nazi, and saying he's a fascist, when they, in fact, were behaving in very authoritarian, fascist ways.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's Antifa, by the way.
		You said I don't know what Antifa is.
		That's those guys.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Anti-fascist.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that what Antifa stands for?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But you're right.
		They're terrorists and they use terror.
		They use violence to achieve political gains, which is terrorism.
		And these people, it's not like Milo ever said, or Trump even ever said anything that is remotely close to genocide.
		But those guys just go, anyone that wants to enforce immigration laws is a fucking Nazi.
		So I need violence because I'm trying to stop Hitler.
		I'm around the first stages of Hitler.
		So I'm going back in time and strangling him in his crib.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But the problem is the way they're reacting to it is the absolute wrong way to react to someone who's saying something that you don't agree with.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The right way is to say something that you feel opposes what they're saying and makes more sense, to debate them.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's the beauty of free speech.
		Like, it has no limits.
		If you want to get out there and deny the Holocaust, you want to get out there and sexualize toddlers, I'll go to your talk.
		I want to hear it.
		And then in the Q ⁇ A, I'll shoot you down.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think it even should just be a Q ⁇ A. I mean, I think it should be real clear.
		There should be someone who shouldn't just rely on the audience to come up with some sort of a response.
		I think if you're going to have someone as controversial as Milo and you are so opposed to it that you're willing to throw bricks through Starbucks windows and light cop cars on fire, there should be someone that can speak for your side.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		and then you should organize some sort of a talk.
		But this is setting it up the wrong way because you go...
		If I was a black belt, I'd fucking kick everybody's ass.
		I go, no, you wouldn't.
		No, you wouldn't.
		First of all, you wouldn't because you'd have discipline and you'd realize the consequences of that.
		But second of all, when you just kick someone's ass, they don't just take it.
		Like they come back with a bat or a gun or their brother or you start a fight.
		They want to get it back.
		And it goes back and forth and back and forth.
		And all conflict pretty much goes that way.
		You have conflict and then someone responds to that conflict and it escalates.
		So if you have this thing where you start throwing bricks through windows and lighting cop cars on fire and stopping people from talking and hitting people that have make Bitcoin great again hats, did you see that girl who got maced in the face?
		You know what happens?
		Eventually, people show up with guns.
		That's what happens.
		And this is what happens.
		When you keep escalating the violence, you become a them, you become the other, you become the enemy, and you create this polarizing atmosphere that's so intense that no dialogue is going to fix it now because you're the enemy.
		You're talking about the North versus the South.
		You're talking about, you know, the Protestants versus the Catholics.
		You create this horrific environment where it's almost impossible to avoid violence.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, so I'm done avoiding it.
		I'm taking the low road.
		I'm punching them in the face.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So that's what you're doing with this outfit?
unidentified		Yes.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That is really what I'm doing with this outfit.
		I did a talk at NYU.
		They pepper sprayed me.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did they really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When was this?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		This was a couple weeks ago.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was it talk about?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't even have a plan.
		They know me as pro-Trump or something, and I'm a Nazi because of that, and they don't want to give a platform to free speech.
		That's the irony of all this, is they pretend that it's gotten so far it's beyond debate now.
		In their world, we are recruiting fascists for some sort of imminent genocide.
		So we're like signing up the brown shirts with a form at our talks.
		And you go, say that was possible?
		How does that work?
		Like we sign you up, then you're part of the club, then you come with us on the next genocide?
		The fuck are you talking about?
		You haven't played it through in your mind because for these people, it's a religion.
		That's why they don't want to debate.
		It's like a born-again.
		He doesn't want to debate about the existence of God.
		He's already on that side.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So what was your plan when you went there?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did you want to talk about?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say this Nazi that you've made Milo and I out to be, who wants genocide and who sees non-whites as inhuman, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, homophobic, sexist, whatever.
		First of all, that guy should be allowed to talk if he existed, but he doesn't exist.
		Your monster is a mythical beast.
		And you've gone to college, you're 60 grand in debt already to fight this mythical beast who doesn't fucking exist.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, in terms of Milo, he definitely doesn't exist.
		Milo's not a Nazi.
		He's definitely, he's not promoting genocide.
		And those are two things that just get trumpeted about left and right.
		Exactly.
		Who is?
		But Milo has said some very inflammatory things about, in a very generalizing way, about women and about the wage gap and about all sorts of things that he designs his words and his phrases to be inflammatory so he gets the most response and it's been incredibly profitable.
		I mean, up until Harper Collins pulled his book deal, he had a $250,000 book advance.
		His book was number one on Amazon just sheerly through controversy.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean through pre-sales and controversy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So it's a strategy in a lot of ways and it's also a response to this really hard stance that the far left is taking, this anti-free speech stance.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Right, but always with these cases you go, what exactly did he say?
		I always say this to people who bitch about any culture.
		I go, what sentence in what book is factually incorrect?
		What specifically are you saying?
		And with this Milo thing, he said that often sexual relationships with 13-year-olds can be beneficial for gays.
		He has since retracted that and apologized, but that's not enough.
		And that's about as egregious as it gets.
		The other stuff that he says, we all say in a joking way, and then that becomes pure evil, and you advocate for this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So the left is willfully ignorant of humor when it comes to Milo and with Trump too.
		Like with the grab the pussy thing, which they had a whole fucking parade about, and they still wear these dumb wool hats to look like a pussy, which is a joke he said on a bus.
		So you're wearing a dumb joke on your head.
		They know that he doesn't want to have a new policy called the pussy grabbing statute, but they are willfully hiding their sense of humor so they can take things literally and go off on a tirade about this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think they're shocked that we've been fed our entire life politicians that speak in a statesmanly-like way, a very predetermined, planned-out way, where they have pauses in their speech.
		Like Obama, when he speaks, he has some very non-normal patterns to his behavior.
		Like those things that people do, the showmanship of being a president, that it's all designed to comfort you and have you think that this person is clearly different than anyone you know.
		They talk different.
		They have better speech speeches.
		They have better speaks.
		They're statesman-like.
		They speak in these pre-planned out sentences that are articulate and cleanly worded.
		And that's not what you get with Trump.
		And that disturbs the shit out of people.
		It disturbs it.
		Like, I saw so many people going off the other day about his talk about uranium and Hillary Clinton selling uranium.
		You know, how it's things and it's for things, very bad things.
		Like, he's running out of words.
		He doesn't know what the words are.
		You know, that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but people are pointing to it like it's this horrible moment where this president, essentially all he did was run out of words.
		The fucking guy is probably working 16 hours a day.
		He's probably exhausted.
		I mean, the overwhelming stress of the job for any one of them is almost immediately apparent once they get into office.
		And you're seeing it with Trump as well.
		You're seeing like that unhinged press conference that he made.
		Guarantee you, some of that has to do with the fact the guy is worn the fuck out.
		You know, he's a 70-year-old man.
		Like, I'm almost 50, and I'm fucking tired all the time.
		How's this guy who's 20 years older than me going to deal with the stress of running the biggest economy, the biggest military, the most insane country the world has ever known?
		I mean, that's what the United States is.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they say Maggie Thatcher slept four hours a night.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Four hours a night repeatedly starts to chip away at your psyche.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But the thing I always say about Trump when they say he's not presidential is, I tried that.
		I tried it with Romney.
		You got mad at his binder comment.
		I tried it with Cruz, the constitutional superman who could debate anyone and was erudite and presidential.
		And you went, no, he's ugly.
		So I said, okay, I'm bringing in Rodney Dangerfield from Caddyshack, and he's just going to be a wrecking ball.
		And when Huffington Post says we're putting Trump in the entertainment section instead of the news section, Rodney and Cruz wouldn't have said anything.
		Trump says, and Ann Coulter points this out in her book, In Trump We Trust, Trump goes, Ariana Huffington, didn't your husband leave you for a man?
		Yeah, I think he made the right choice.
		I think it was a very good choice.
		And I go, you brought this on yourself.
		You made me have to get him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, what she's doing, you know, what Ann Coulter's doing is very similar to what Milo's doing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're merchants of outrage, and that's what they're doing.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
		I think they're speaking in a hyperbolic tone.
		They're flamboyant.
		But that's the charge of it.
		But it's still there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there's definitely some truth, especially with Milo, some of the things that he says.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's all truth.
		Again, I'm saying it right now.
		What did he say that's factually incorrect?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That wasn't a joke.
		Not factually incorrect, but extremely offensive to people.
		Like the 13-year-old boy comment, like the thing about sort of normalizing relationships between grown men and 13-year-old boys.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think a big part of why he even says that is because he's in many ways like a natural contrarian and in many ways a guy who wants to get a rise out of people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And by saying that, he didn't feel like there's any consequences to being outrageous in that regard.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I think we could both agree whether or not it's factual in his case, it's a fucked up thing to say, right?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It is a fucked up thing to say.
		It was negligent, which is why he apologized.
		But I think the grain of truth to that, and with his other statements, is a lot more than a grain.
		But the grain of truth to what he was saying is gays have less chastity than straits.
		And if a woman is known as a slut, she's less likely to be picked up.
		And I've been sued for calling a woman a slut.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Were you really?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who sued you?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It was a long time ago back in Vice days.
		It was in do's and don'ts.
		And the way the law is, it's kind of antiquated, but it's like, oh, you called her a slut.
		Now she won't have currency in the market of marriage because she's known as a whore.
		So we're going to punish you punitively for this sin.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you have to settle?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
		You can't even call someone a slut.
		There's no equivalent word for a man.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No.
		A cad?
		That's a compliment.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's hilarious.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A cad is hilarious.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, the fact that there's no equivalent for a man shows you that there's a different standard.
		And then with gays, it is different too.
		Like 13-year-old and an older person, right?
		If it's a girl and a 40-year-old teacher, I want to take him in the parking lot and beat him till he has a weird, he walks weird for the rest of his life.
		If it's a woman and a boy, I don't want to murder her.
		Grossed out.
		13 especially.
		14, a little better.
		And then with gays, well, I'm not going to make the same mistake Milo made right now.
		Don't ever do it.
		But if a gay is known as a slud in the future, like say a 19-year-old fucks 200 people, as a woman, no one wants to go near.
		As a gay, you've been around the block.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's not the same consequences for sure.
		And I had a bid in my act about, I don't know if you remember this commercial, but there was a commercial, a Just for Men commercial, where there was a baby that was driving a Porsche, a baby with a beard, and there was a grown woman next to the baby.
		And the baby has like a tuxedo on, and it's like, you've always wanted the biggest, baddest beard.
		And the baby goes to the nightclub, and the bouncer looks at him and winks at him.
		Like, look at this.
		Look at this commercial.
		See the baby?
		Yeah.
		So the baby walks in just for men.
		I mean, I don't know what the fuck.
		Just for men, if you don't know it, is some stuff that guys put in their beard when they're getting old.
		So this baby's got a bottle.
		He goes out to the dance floor.
		There's all these girls with these tiny little skirts dancing around him.
		And he's like a pimp.
		And he's with this hot woman.
		And this to me, my bit was, this is proof positive.
		Proof positive there's no sexual equality when it comes to child molesting.
		Because if you even wrote that down with the sexes reversed, if you even wrote it down, you're fucking going to jail.
		Okay?
		There's a little baby girl and she goes out to a room full of guys who are wearing Tarzan skirts and they're all swinging dicks around her and she's got a bottle and they're all fighting for her attention and kissing her on the cheek.
		You would go to fucking jail.
		But that was a commercial that aired on mainstream television and no one cared about it.
		That commercial aired for years.
		It's probably still on now.
		And that commercial is proof positive that we have a completely different attitude towards a grown woman who's hot as fuck and a little baby.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, even I was watching Big with the Kids the other day.
		Tom Hanks is what, eight in that movie?
		Nine.
		And then that woman seduces him and I guess he fucks her.
		He gets a boner.
		And I'm like, you're raping a child.
unidentified		Exactly.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Why are we watching?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, she's hot.
		She's hot and he looks like a man, so fucking let it ride.
		If that movie was reversed and it was a young girl that all of a sudden was in a sexual woman's body and the guy was fucking her, she's like, I don't know.
		Are we supposed to be doing this?
		You would be horrified.
		You would be absolutely horrified.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I've been arguing about, because of the Milo thing, I've been arguing about all this a lot.
		And I've been getting from gays and guys without kids that are young this whole thing about how they keep saying, come on, don't lie.
		You would definitely want to fuck a 13-year-old girl if she was hot.
		And I go, I don't know where this became a normal sentence.
		I fucked 17-year-olds when I was 17.
		It was the worst sex.
		Remember that?
		And you'd be on top of her and it was out.
		You didn't even know when it was in.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Nobody knew what was going on.
unidentified		Yeah, it's not like they go, yeah, fucking oh.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They didn't like it till they were like 26.
		I want pendulous breasts.
		I want a divorcee with a neck pencil.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Pendulous, like worn out.
		Just four pencils.
		Hanging, hanging low.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Four.
		I want them to look like cocks when she's on all fours.
		And I want to see them, actually, I don't want to see them swing because I'll come if I look at them swinging.
		Oh, come on.
		I'm not talking about like a orange in a sock.
		Okay.
		I mean, like, it's got meat there, but they droop.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Like when you're fucking from behind, they go in circles.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They've experienced life.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to play tennis with a toddler.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You want to play tennis with someone who can return a serve.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Good point.
		Yeah, I don't get that.
		Yeah, come on.
		You've never been attracted to a 15-year-old girl.
		I really don't get that.
		But I was molested by a woman when I was 13 years old.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When I was 13 years old, there was a woman that we used to play softball with on our block, and apparently she did that to a lot of boys.
		And she took me up to her room.
		She played me some really good music.
		She introduced me to a lot of Led Zeppelin.
		She introduced me to Comfortably Numb King Floyd.
		This day, when I think about that song, I think about making out with her.
		When she was 21, and I was 13.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she just kissed you?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, she grabbed my dick, but I was just so little.
		I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.
		No, no, I was so confused.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I was 13.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was like a little boy.
		You know, if she had caught me like a year or two later, I probably would have fucked her.
		But at that stage, I was baffled because I had like zero sexual experience.
		And then all of a sudden, a woman, a 21-year-old woman with tits who smoked cigarettes, and she was making out with me and taking me up to a room.
		It was really weird.
		And she had a boyfriend.
		And her boyfriend was a construction worker.
		And he was a man.
		I remember seeing him like on the job.
		He had a shirt off and he had a hairy chest.
		I was like, what in the fuck?
		And that was her boyfriend.
		But she was just a wild woman.
		And she apparently liked taking young boys that didn't know what they were doing and taking them up to her room.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is why we have judges because there's different cultures, different genders, different circumstances.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Every time I talk to a black guy about their first sexual experiences, my hair is whitened.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's always like, yeah, I used to fuck my cousin when I was 12.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Like Chris Cotton was talking about fucking his cousin.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who's Chris Cotton?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Comedian guy.
unidentified		Okay.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Dark as a piece of coal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He fucked his cousin.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Sherrod Small fucked his babysitter when he was like 11 or 12.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've heard those stories before.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've heard the babysitter story before, where it's like, you know, you're 13, she's 18, and next thing you know, you're making out with her.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Holy shit.
		It's horrible.
		But should she go to jail for 15 years?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a big difference between an 18-year-old boy, rather, and an 18-year-old girl and a 13-year-old girl and a 13-year-old boy.
		There's just a big goddamn difference.
		If you have a grown woman and a 13-year-old boy, like, here's the thing.
		Here's the big one.
		And this is like, this is one of the things that came up in the Milo conversation too, where he was saying that it's not that big a deal if a man grabs a woman's tit and she doesn't want him to.
		I'm like, well, that's sexual assault.
		If a woman grabs my dick and I don't want her to, that might be sexual assault, but I'm not in danger.
		You know what I'm saying?
		She's not going to fuck me up.
		She's not going to rape me.
		And that's where it gets different.
		Like, I'm not scared.
		Like, if a woman came over and grabbed my ass, like, you probably shouldn't do that, but I'm not scared of you.
		But if a man does that to a woman and he's willing to violate her space like that, a woman has a real fear.
		There's a possibility the door might be open that this guy could rape her.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And this all comes down to the myth of equality.
		And this is why the right has a more benevolent society than the left.
		And I've noticed this with girls.
		I've always said, you can hit a woman if she hits you 12 times.
		That includes punches in the face.
		So you just sit there going, one, two, three, four.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		12.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And then 11, 12.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And then one.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I can't even hit one if they hit me 12.
		I'd have to arm drag her, take her back, choke her.
		You could choke a crazy woman who's trying to kill you, but you can't punch.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		12.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I would only do it if I thought they were hurting someone in my family.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		When I talk to feminists and liberals about this, they go, 12, 1.
		And I go, what?
		What?
		You know we're stronger than you, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They don't want to admit that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They don't want to admit that.
		And it's the same with gays.
		it's the same like I was writing about you Yeah.
		And I'm looking at that.
		That was Kimbo Slice is in that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I'm data 5,000.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Data 5,000.
		And I'm looking at it going, you guys were murdering each other on the streets.
		You figured out a way to solve it with fights, backyard fighting.
		You shouldn't have the same enforcement as rich white kids doing it in the suburbs.
		Or at least that's what your instincts are when you see that.
		Now, that doesn't make sense.
		The laws should be equitable across the board.
		But you go, this is a different situation.
		They're in a shitty situation.
		They're murdering each other.
		These backyard fights, sure, someone loses an eye, but they're not murdering each other anymore.
		It's an improvement.
		And you go, I don't know how to enforce this.
		I don't know how it's done.
		But you feel like there should be different laws for different people.
		And when you say we're all exactly the same, well, the next thing you know, women are getting punched one-on-one and they're not as strong as men, so they're getting fucking beaten up.
		Or you're telling women they're invincible.
		They're going out and getting shit-faced like you and I do.
		And you go, no, you're a Lamborghini.
		You can't get wasted.
		You're delicate.
		I'm a fucking cheap old 57 Chevy.
		Beat me up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
		Well, there's a narrative, whether or not people are aware of it, but there is something that is actually being thrown around as being a viable narrative.
		And that is that there's no biological difference between men and women.
		There's no biological difference between the sexes.
		And when you see people say it, I saw, there was a debate that Jordan Peterson had, and one of the people that he was debating was a professor from the University of Toronto.
		And it was a gender equality professor or something along that, some bizarre discipline.
		And I think it was a transgender man.
		Like she was born a woman, and then she's a man.
		Or maybe, yeah, I'm pretty sure.
		I'm not sure.
		But it seems like it.
		Anyway, it's a very feminine man, whatever it is.
		And it seems like a woman that became a man.
		And it, she, he, whichever, however, Z. Z. Z. Whatever.
		Z. And literally arguing, knowing that this is going to be broadcast, knowing this is going to be on television, on the internet, saying that there's no difference.
		There's no biological basis.
		Like, that's insane.
		There's no difference between men and women.
		It is absolutely insane.
		It's absolutely insane.
		There are no women who come anywhere near what men powerlifters can do.
		They don't come anywhere near.
		They might be stronger than you or I. They might, because they're doing it for a long time and they're taking steroids.
		But even the women who take steroids, they're nowhere near as strong as the men.
		It's not even close.
		There's no women who are in the NFL.
		There's no women heavyweight boxing champions.
		They're Never going to beat the men.
		There's absolutely a biological basis in sex.
		I have trained extensively with women in martial arts, extensively.
		There is an enormous difference in how hard they hit.
		There's an enormous difference in how strong they are.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like I could beat them up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot who would fuck you up.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like I couldn't beat up Ronda Rousey, but I feel like I could beat up the base.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, a lot of them.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The featherweights.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Most of them would fuck you up.
		But it's just a technique thing.
		You know, if you had trained as long as them, they would be in trouble.
		It's just, there's a lot of factors.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you gotta shit for saying it.
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I gotten shit for saying it because there was a man who transitioned to a woman after 30 years of being a woman, after fathering a child, being in the military, the whole deal, living life as a man, became a woman for two years and then started having MMA fights with women and not telling them that he was a woman for 30 years or she was a woman for 30 years and then became a woman.
		I'm like, that's fucking crazy.
		And the structure of the body is different.
		The hips are different.
		The jaw is different.
		The size of the hands is different.
		The size of the fists is an enormous difference between the power that a man can generate.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		When I see that tranny pounding the living shit out of a woman, looks like domestic violence.
		It's disturbing.
		And I see it on the TV and I go, there you go, liberals.
		There's your utopia.
		What do you think?
		And that's the problem with their utopia.
		It keeps making things worse and worse and worse for them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Like even abortion and immigration.
		In Canada now, they're pouring all these Indians in like pancake batter.
		And Indians prefer to have boys than girls.
		And they're starting to have gender-based abortions where they go, I don't want to have a boy.
		I mean, a girl hanging around here.
		Let's keep aborting till we get a boy.
		And you go, hey, liberals.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is that real?
unidentified		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, liberals, it's mostly with immigrants, but it's the beginning of ethnic genocide.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And you go, hey, feminists, your pro-choice shit is getting you fucking killed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that wasn't.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You're going to become the next retards.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That wasn't the reason why they wanted it in the first place.
		They just wanted the right to choose.
		They didn't want someone to tell them.
		And particularly in the most extreme cases, like if a woman's raped.
		Like if a woman's raped and she gets pregnant, she should not have to keep that baby.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They're taking freak exceptions.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that is the freak exceptions.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sick of that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I'm sick of freak exceptions defining policies.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but would you be fine with those freak exceptions being law?
		Like if you're a pro-life person, right?
		That's your stance?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Would you be pro-choice if a woman was raped?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I'm not doing that anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I'm not playing that game anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm not trying to play it anymore.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You know what they do?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I know.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The other version of that is the your daughter.
		They always inevitably, especially with journalists, I'll be talking about sexism, blah, blah, blah.
		And they'll go, what if your daughter was blah, blah, blah.
		And I go, you're trying to make me irrational by bringing my daughter.
		I'm not accusing you of this, but it's like these liberals have these tricks where like, what if a girl was raped by her father and she got pregnant?
		And I looked it up.
		I could only find one case, one case in America of a father impregnating a daughter.
		And I thought, this freak occurrence keeps defining the whole debate.
		We got Kermit Gosnell killing 40,000 babies that were in their third trimester.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yet this one freak occurred.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He was the guy, he was arrested for performing late-term abortions, and they discovered that it was...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now, I understand what you're saying, that you don't want to get roped into any crazy sort of hypothetical scenario where you say, what if it was your daughter and she was raped by some convict who just got out of children?
		You know what I'm saying?
		Yeah, I know you don't want to get into that, but in certain circumstances, I really think there is a difference between someone who's pregnant for three weeks and someone who's pregnant for five months.
		There's a big difference.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, look, with abortion, I just want to get it away from 17 weeks.
		I want to get the whole argument down to eight weeks.
		That's my goal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And I have friends in New York City where everyone has to think outside the box, and they're all like, yeah, it's murder, and I'm for it.
		Like, Jim Goad says that all the time.
		Anthony Kumia says that.
		It's murder, and I think it's awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because he doesn't want to be responsible, and he fucks a lot of crazy girls.
		That's really the problem.
		I mean, I've been super fortunate that the person that I had babies with, I love.
unidentified		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, is it fortunate?
		I mean, Kumia has got to take a lot of blame for the shit he got in recently.
		We all told him to get the fuck away from her.
		And he kept walking back into the fire.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's fun.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And I would see him with her, and it was like a fucking rape victim being with their rapists.
		Like, I go, oh, what is that doing here?
		And she'd have thigh-high stockings on, thigh-heeled shoes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I'm just like, time to fuck.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I can get you a 35-year-old.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
		They're not fun.
		I have a friend, my friend Tony, Tony Zara from Columbus, Ohio, good buddy of mine, who's a great guy, but he's also a wise man.
		And he has had this theory about psychotic and erotic.
		And that they're almost basically almost interchangeable, that they sort of rotate on each other's axis.
		And that when you get, like, we've all had gals from the past that were just like, whoa, you know, you leave their apartment, you go, holy shit.
		Like, I got to take a shower.
		I got to cool down.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Jasmine.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then they start, you know, calling you later, like, come over and fuck my mouth.
		Like, what?
		Jesus Christ.
		Like, the crazy ones.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The ones who want you to take a teaspoon and scoop the cum off their face so they can get it all in their mouth.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And you're like, this is only going to happen once in my entire life, but here we go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And those girls exist.
		And some of them are really fun.
		And when you're a guy and you're used to girls that are like, no, don't come in my mouth.
		No, don't touch me there.
		No, I'm not.
		You know, there's like some, so many people are so reserved and so restricted and so confined.
		And then you date some crazy girl and she's just wild.
		She's like, put it in my ass.
		You're like, whoa, where are we going?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		With Anthony, she was that and then some and already was like framing little kids who were at the house.
		Like, I think she got, one of them got marker on him and, or she, she put sparkles in his hair or something.
		And the mother goes, what the hell's going on with your hair?
		You got, that's going to take forever to get out.
		And she goes, It was her, and blamed some 10-year-old evil, evil, dark shit she had done.
		But that being said, so that's going too far, but I do agree wholeheartedly.
		And when my friends tell me they dump some bitch because she's crazy, I get mad at them because I go, you crazy bitches are the best sex you'll ever have in your life.
		If she's not calling the cops, then keep fucking her.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that's, well, you're hypocritical then.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because that's Anthony's.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's the game.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's the balance.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Get to the point where they call the cops.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Sex should be right before the, you should see the judge in the room floating above your head going with the gavel like, I'm not sure not yet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		See, nobody wants to say that.
		And there is a reality.
		And here's another reality, a super uncomfortable reality.
		And this is in no, I want to just get real clear about this.
		This is in no way condoning any form of rape or any form of sexual assault or any form of doing anything to anyone, male or female, against their will.
		That said, there are women who undeniably have rape fantasies.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So what's that?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Margaret Atwood talks about that and she says, yes, but in our rape fantasies, it's not a guy with a ski mask who jumps out of a bush, fat and ugly.
		It's Mr. Clean.
		And he's cleaning our house and then he says, hey, I want to make love to you.
		And you're going, no, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But even that's her, though.
		Some women, it's a guy comes in with a gun and makes her suck his dick.
		I've had a friend who, that was her thing.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've all, everyone, Louis C.K. does a bit about that.
		We've all had women where they're like, no, no, no.
		And then you stop and they go, you find out the next day, no, no, you were supposed to.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Louis had that thing like, I'm not going to take a chance to find out if it's your thing.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I got an email, I talk about this all the time, but I got an email from a girl that said, thank you for raping me last night.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, but that might be silly.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, girls.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Something I always say like that, and they might be joking around.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, of course she was.
		But that was her way of saying you got right to the line.
		But I noticed this when I moved to New York, too.
		I went to college in the 90s when it was about permission and feminism.
		So I tried that.
		I was like, is this okay?
		Is this okay?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You were a feminist.
		And let's be clear about that.
		You were a feminist at one point in your life.
		Would you define yourself as a feminist?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I still would in many ways.
		I see them as magical, sentient beings.
		They're wizards.
		They can make a fucking person come out of their cunt.
		And to say they're dudes is to trivialize.
		It's like saying to Clark Kent, just be a journalist.
		Just focus on your journalism.
		And Clark Kent's a shitty journalist.
		You're a shitty man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Does he have one story that he's born in the broken street?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He's never broken a story ever.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He's turned time backwards.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But he's never broken a story.
		But we keep telling women, no, no, no, come to our meetings.
		Come to our tough mutter relay and walk through electrical wires and go underneath barbed wire.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's so nasty.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You're so good at that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		By the way, you tough mutter people, that fucking water you would never drink.
		You would never drink puddle water, right?
		Right?
		Yeah, of course you wouldn't.
		Well, guess what, fuckface?
		You're getting that water in your mouth.
		When you're crawling around, that same shit that you would get in your intestinal tract, you're going to get in your mouth and you're going to get sick as fuck, okay?
		So be goddamn careful when you're doing those things.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Seems like a weird beef to have.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know so many people.
unidentified		Tough mudder people, the puddles are way too bacteria and functionality.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got to be really careful about drinking puddle water.
		Like, I know guys have gotten jardia.
		They've gotten like some serious intestinal disorders from drinking water.
		Yeah, well, you're out in the mountains.
		You go out in the mountains and like they don't bring water with them or their water filter breaks or they put these iodine tablets in the water, but they don't wait long enough.
		Then they drink it.
		And you're getting these live bacteria in your body and they wreak havoc with your system.
		I mean, put you out for months.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
		I won't drink puddle water, please.
		So anyway, you're fucking chicks.
		And through trial and error, there's that time you're around 24 and you're fucking a girl from behind and you go, yeah, you like that?
		And you go, I'm going to try a dad thing.
		And then you go, who's your dad?
		Yeah, you like that?
		Daddy's fucking.
		And then all of a sudden, pussy juice galore.
		And she's coming and you go, oh, okay.
		I'm going to keep mining this vein.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And then I was like, I'm your father, blah, blah, blah.
		You start saying shit like that.
		And then you start choke.
		And then you come to New York and Jewish girls in New York, they're like, choke me, kill me.
		I'm a fucking whore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Slap me.
		And you're like, like that?
		No harder, you fucking pussy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		See, those girls never made their way to me.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You fuck girls in New York?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, well, I did, but I think I, I don't know.
		Maybe, I don't know, man.
		Maybe I just shied away from them or something like that.
		I had some domestic violence in my house when I was growing up.
		So any kind of weird shit like that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I was like, well, that's kind of what I'm saying.
		We don't naturally go there.
		We're sweeties.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I had one girl that liked to get choked, though, but it always weirded me out.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		We're not that enthusiastic about it.
		But if they wanted us to dress like clowns, I would put on the little nose.
		Yeah, it is.
		You get into it after a while.
		You realize it's awesome.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't want to get choked by someone who knows how to choke you, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You want to get choked by someone who's ineffective, like a sloppy choke where you could still breathe.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I remember I was fucking this Jewish girl and she was, she said, kill me.
		Whoa, jeez.
		And obviously I didn't do that.
		And then she's like, I'm your fucking whore.
		And so I'm coming on her.
		She's like, I'm your dirty whore.
unidentified		Whoa.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And then she's having a cigarette after, and she goes, I brought your whore, by the way.
		And I was like, duh.
		And I thought the liberals now are ruining that whole role-playing fun game that we all play.
		And sex is a nebulous.
		It's like religion.
		It's personal.
		It's private.
		It's a weird area where you do weird things.
		You say stupid shit.
		Like, I want to lick your cock because you're thinking, I want to, you just suck my cock and I want to lick your pussy.
		But you're so horny, your brain goes, yeah, I want to lick your balls.
unidentified		No, when you lick my balls, sorry.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dirty talk is so awkward.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's so fucking stupid.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I just can do like so good, love it, heaven.
unidentified		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Those are my only lines.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it's also like when you're intimate with someone, it's like you're sharing that extremely vulnerable Moment.
		I mean, it's look, it's vulnerable by nature because you don't have your clothes on.
		You know, and just you feel weird.
		You know, we always have our clothes on.
		So we don't have our clothes on.
		It's just odd.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You know, and men look funny, nude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're funny.
		You look funny and you're aroused and it feels good.
		And you want the other person to feel good.
		You feel good to each other.
		And it's just, you look in each other's eyes and you're like that close.
		It's like, it's very strange.
		And there's also the issue that people become very addicted to each other.
		I think human beings, especially when they're having sex with each other, it's just like a drug addiction.
		I mean, I remember the first time.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I know love is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		In a lot of ways.
		I think it is.
		I think there's a lot of endorphins that are being exchanged and there's a lot of arousal chemicals that are excreted when you're with that person that are extremely potent.
		And when the person's not there, there's this deep need to get to that person again, just like a drug, just like someone who's got hooked on pain pills and you just, you have to get the pills.
		You got to get the pills.
		And I remember when I was in, when I was like 18, my girlfriend broke up with me and I just graduated from high school and I was really lost and confused.
		And when she broke up with me, I was devastated.
		I couldn't believe I had to be without her.
		And it was very much like withdrawal from a drug.
		It was like probably the worst breakup for me ever because it was the first one, you know, and I was like, I can't believe this.
		Like, this is crazy.
		And then I just was amazed at like how potent it was on my system, you know, and how it would fuck with my psyche and my mind.
		I felt like a loser.
		I felt like if this girl didn't want me, like I must be a fool.
		I must be a failure.
unidentified		Yep.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the, we've all had that.
		And that's when you learn never to be vulnerable again.
		And you learn to be a man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Sort of, but you also learn, to me, I've always been fascinated by psychology and fascinated by the inner workings of the mind and the tricks the mind plays on you.
		Because all throughout high school, from age 15 on, I was competing in martial arts tournaments and they were terrifying.
		You know, and so I was always scared.
		And I would go from, I mean, I'd like to say that, oh, I was this bad motherfucker.
		I wasn't scared of shit.
		I was scared of fucking everything, man.
		That's why I was good.
		Because I was terrified.
		And I was always training super hard.
		And I wouldn't drink, and I wouldn't do anything.
		I wouldn't, I smoked pot maybe a couple of times because I was fucking scared of getting killed.
		I was scared of getting my ass kicked.
		So when this happened and this girl broke up with me, it was so just devastating to my confidence.
		And I remember thinking, like, God, why do I feel like such a fucking loser?
		And then breaking it down and trying to figure like, how was I a winner just like a few months ago?
		And now I'm a loser.
		Like in my mind, I feel like a fucking loser and I can't get laid.
		Girls smell desperation on me.
		They run from me like, ah, like 18-year-old girls, when you're desperate, they fucking, you stink like a sewer and they run from you.
		I couldn't get laid for like six months.
		I couldn't even get close.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's nature.
		You played yourself.
		You were vulnerable.
		You learned to never do that again.
		And I think adult men, especially married men, have to understand that you're constantly in high school when you're married.
		Dale Aiken, when I was eight years old, he said, dude, when you're married, you can just go up to your wife and go, let me see your tits.
		And she has to show you her tits right there.
		And I thought, I cannot fucking wait.
		I remember saying to him, I'm just going to put my face in her vagina and just go, boo.
		But you can't do that.
		If I went up to my wife and said, show me your tits, she'd say, fuck off.
		So you're constantly wooing them and courting them.
		And I had a buddy who got divorced recently and he said, I just found myself having to draw lines in the sand and make these parameters around how I can be treated and how I can be spoken to.
		And he goes, I've never had to do that before.
		I shouldn't have to do that.
		And I go, dude, that's what marriage is.
		You're constantly on a date.
		I was on a date with my wife last night.
		We got a hotel in the city.
		My kids are staying with their grand.
		We're here on vacation in Malibu.
		And I was constantly going, all right, I wanted her to have a good night.
		She wants to get tacos.
		But also I have to draw the line and say, no, actually, we're going here.
		We're going to the comedy store.
		We're going to meet Don Barris and go upstairs and blah, blah, blah.
		So I was giving her some democracy, but also taking the reins.
		And it's a push and pull that we've been married, we've known each other since 2001, but it's constantly like this first date, trying to get in her pants, watch the real housewives, pretend I care about that chick who has Pinot Grigio all the time.
		Always trying to get pussy.
		You're not guaranteed the pussy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, if you are, you have a very strange relationship, and you're probably not going to be satisfied with it because that's part of what's going on in a relationship is that wooing is also like kind of that wooing and courting and being nice to each other.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's very important to like how the whole thing works.
unidentified		Yes.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's what attracts, like we were in Costa Rica on those stupid Sansa flights that are one engine.
		So if it goes out, we're dying.
		And the turbulence was insane.
		And so she's gripping me and I'm like, it's okay.
		It's just a bus.
		We're in a bus in the sky.
		I am shitting my pants with fear.
		My heart is pounding through my chest and I'm holding her, rationally explaining to her what is going on.
		And then I'm looking out the window going, holy fuck, we're going to fucking die.
		We're going to fucking die.
unidentified		Holy shit.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And I, still married to her for years.
		We got kids.
		I have to convey this man in order to keep her pussy wet.
		And it's the same with sons particularly, but kids in general.
		But so much of being a dad is being a prison warden.
		And even after bedtime, you're walking down the hallways to see if lights are on.
		The other day, I go into my son's, my middle son's room, I touch the light bulb, his reading light, and I can feel it's warm.
		I'm like, what's going on in here?
		Were you reading?
		He's like, yeah, a little bit.
		Bedtime is bedtime.
		And I'm back with my little fucking, it was 10.30 at night and he's reading Mad Magic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He has one of those blackjacks.
		Blackjacks were a thing when I was a kid.
		Cops had them.
		Remember, it was like, it was a leather paddle with a red shot in it.
		Yeah, and they would whack people with it.
		It's a really shitty weapon because it only hurts.
		I guess you can knock someone out if you hit them on the jaw or the back of their head.
		But if you're covering up and someone's whacking you with that blackjack, I'll take a shot with a blackjack to try to get a hold of you.
		But like a club, like a club or a baton, like that's going to really fucking hurt.
		A blackjack is weird.
		It's a weird weapon.
		It kind of went away.
		They're like, yeah, this isn't the best thing to be carrying around.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I remember that to get one of those aerial sort of antenna things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Those are dangerous.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The cops tell me I'm not allowed to have that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You can have a leather man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can buy those.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you're not allowed to have it on you.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Leatherman and pepper spray and a mag light flashlight you can have.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		so concealed carry, meaning walking around, you're not allowed to have one of those, but you're allowed to have a knife.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You can have a knife if it's a utility knife, and it's smaller than the palm of your hand.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about New York rules.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And then at NYU, I was going to do that talk.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I got pepper sprayed, perfectly legal, if they can argue that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now, who pepper sprayed you, and did you see the person doing it, and do you know who they are?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They are all the same.
		They're all middle-class kids of professors.
		They all live at home.
		They all look exactly the same.
		They look British.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How do they look British?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		They have like these angular features and these Roman noses and glasses.
		They all seem to look exactly the same.
		There's nothing Italian about them, you know?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now, what was it that they pepper-sprayed you about?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Were you actually just?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I started this gang called the Proud Boys.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The Proud Boys?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The Proud Boys.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's Proud Boys about?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		We have chapters all over the world.
		We meet once a month.
		We get drunk and just Okay.
		Like Masons or whatever.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Celebrating manhood.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no woman allowed.
unidentified		Ah, wow.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You can't tell your woman what goes on at the meetings.
		And we have different degrees like the Knights of Columbus.
		First degree, you declare yourself a proud boy.
		Second degree, we beat the shit out of you until you can name five breakfast cereals.
		And you have to give up masturbating.
		And then third degree, you still have to give up masturbating, but you have to get a tattoo.
		And then fourth degree, you get arrested or in a serious violent fight for the crime.
		Really?
		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You get arrested in a serious violent fight, so you're promoting some sort of major altercation.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You shouldn't, you should erase that part.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, we don't encourage it, but if you're defending, like at the Berkeley thing with Milo, my guys, 14 of them just walked into a mob of 200 people and said, I thought you guys were tough.
		No, they were doing it just for fun.
		And these people outside of pepper spray and clubs, they can't fight.
		Like at the NYU thing, my guys were beating them up.
		And he goes, this one guy we call Friar Tuck because he's just a monster.
		He goes, I started feeling batting it.
		I started feeling bad after a while because I was just, I could tell these kids had never been in a fight.
		And I was just mowing through them.
		They're terrible fighters.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're totally pussy.
		Like, this is what confuses me.
		Like, why are they getting so angry that they're hitting people and spraying that girl in the face?
		The girl was really disturbing because she was talking to someone.
		She wasn't offering any threat.
		And she had a hat that looked like a Make America Great Again hat, but it said Make Bitcoin Great Again.
		They walk up to her.
		The guy hits her with a stick that's holding a sign.
		So he hits her in the head with a piece of wood.
		And she's like, what the fuck?
		And someone sprays her in the face with pepper spray.
		I mean, it's like, how, in any way, how could you ever, in any other scenario, justify beating a woman publicly for doing nothing but representing what you think is offensive?
		And you're even wrong about what she's representing.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Here's the problem with what you're doing, and I did this too much too.
		You're intellectualizing a fashion movement.
		This is the mods and the rockers in Brighton Beach in 1961, just fighting each other because one likes Elvis and the other likes the Who.
		And if you were to sit down with this mod and this rocker and say, have a debate, they wouldn't say anything.
		They have nothing to say.
		It's leather versus parkas.
		It's Vespas versus Triumph Motorbikes.
		There's no context there.
		So this guy is on this team and she's on the other team.
		And their tool is Pepper Spray.
		And that's what they're doing.
		There's no, that's, they pretend, oh, I don't want to give you a platform.
		No, they don't want to give you anything because they don't have anything to say.
		In fact, at the NYU talk, after I watched the Pepper Spray, I went and did the talk.
		They're all screaming, who's campus are campus?
		And I walk over to the mob with a microphone, and I have two, and I go, come on up, come on up.
		It was a radioactive cock I was handing him.
		Like he just went, uh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because it was a mic.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He shriveled up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because he wanted to be a part of the big group.
		Right.
		And didn't want to be an individual with an opinion and didn't exactly know why he was there in the first place.
		Didn't exactly know what he was protesting against.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's why, like, Milo would kill to debate any of these people.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He's been scrounging.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that the real problem?
		Is that they're not debating.
		That's the real problem.
		I feel like this could be really productive if people could sit down.
		And Milo, by the way, will debate you.
		I mean, he might say outrageous things.
		He might say offensive things, but he will debate.
		He will sit in front of a podium.
		He will do his time.
		And anyone else that will have their time and they will be able to take questions from the audience.
		And this could be very productive.
		And you could kind of figure out, like, look, you and I are not far left.
		And we're not far right.
		You know, neither one of us are.
		We're in some sort of a weird way.
		I think I'm maybe more left than you are, but I'm not as left as a lot of people I know.
		And there's a lot of people out there.
		And I think this left-white-right paradigm is really kind of fucking foolish at this point.
		And we should kind of figure out, like, what kind of opinions are okay to have because they don't interfere with anybody else's life.
		And it's just your philosophy and the way you look at the world.
		And you should be able to express that opinion and express those ideas in front of someone else who has an opposing idea.
		And they tell you why they disagree.
		And you should be able to consider why they disagree and see if there's any merit in that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The problem with what you're saying is you're implying that these are all informed people, right and left, and they need to hash out ideas.
		No.
		These people on the right are intelligent people who have looked it up and want a debate.
		You want to see a good debate?
		Look at Pat Buchanan versus Sean Hannity or Peter Brimelow versus some open borders libertarian like Matt Walsh or something or someone from the Wall Street Journal.
		All the inner right fights are fascinating to me.
		These people are religious fanatics.
		For them, it's sports.
		It's the Dallas Cowboys.
		It's their team and they want to fuck up your team.
		They don't want to debate.
		Like Jared Diamond, who did Guns, Germs, and Steel.
		Tons of flaws with that book.
		Steve Saylor was begging him for a debate.
		He wouldn't answer.
		Jared Taylor, John Derbyshire, all these, even Richard Spencer, all these far-right guys have made it clear they'd love to argue with anyone on the other side.
		And the other side knows that they will lose because their foundation isn't truth or information.
		Their foundation is just emotions.
		We're a nation of immigrants.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, everything's racist.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gays are people too.
		And you're like, you think I don't think gays are fucking people?
		What is your point?
		I don't even understand your side of things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure you saw that woman, excuse me, who's a middle school teacher who was a part of the protest at Berkeley.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And she was on Carlson Tucker Carlson's show, and she was talking about fascism, and She said that Milo is homophobic, even though he's fucking gay.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's a racist homophobe who sucks black cocks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's so hilarious.
		And she was also saying that he promotes genocide.
		Like, you can't just throw those labels out, and that that, I mean, it's a clear example of what we're talking about because those labels allow her to do anything necessary to get you out of the mix.
		Right.
		And that's fascism.
		That is fascism.
		That's authoritative.
		That's authoritative thinking, authoritarian thinking in a way that's eliminating someone else from expressing themselves because you have deemed them unworthy of expressing themselves.
		This is a racist.
		This is a homophobe.
		This is someone who promotes genocide.
		We will shut them down.
		Like, that's nonsense.
		And you could see from her talking on that show that she talks over him.
		She doesn't express herself well.
		She doesn't have clearly thought-out reasons for why she's saying he does these things.
		She doesn't have quotes that she's relying on.
		She doesn't say why it's so dangerous that he has these controversial opinions.
		She just says he's a Nazi.
		He's a racist.
		He's a homophobe.
		He promotes genocide.
		We're going to shut him down.
		Well, you can't just say that.
		You can't just label people because someone could do that to you too.
		And they will.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They will.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They will.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I forget her name.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Michelle Yovelis.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't even matter what her name is.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		She's really not called by any means necessary.
		But the game I like playing with these people is play it through.
		They do that at AA.
		They go, you want a beer?
		Okay, have a beer.
		Then you're going to have another beer.
		Then you're going to get Coke and the heroin, blah, blah, blah.
		Play it through.
		And I always say to these people, play it through.
		So he wants genocide.
		Trump wants genocide.
unidentified		Okay.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So he wants to kill what?
		Blacks and Mexicans?
		So there's a van that drives to this house in New Orleans and picks up these black people.
		And then they what?
		They go to a gas chamber?
		How does this work?
		What happens to their property?
		Is that divvied up?
		Does the state own that now?
		Like, are you talking about the Cuban revolution?
		The irony is, by the way, whenever you start describing their universe, you end up describing Venezuela, Cuba, socialist countries, or you end up describing the Middle East.
		Oh, he's going to what?
		Throw gays off buildings?
		He's going to start stoning women to death who are rape victims.
		You have your villains right there, but you're purposely ignoring them.
		And the other thing that's going on here, which is still a theory I'm working on, but there seems to be a disturbing peek at what a matriarchy would be like.
		And I'm seeing a lot of women in these movements who are sort of vindictive and cruel.
		And like this woman we're talking about, you know, you watch these videos and you hear like, fuck him up, get him, get him.
		These women voices from behind the crowd.
		And I call them shit chests.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like that woman from the University of Missouri.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can I get some muscle over here?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Remember her?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		She wants men to fight on her behalf.
		And you know, Iron Man has that blue thing in his chest?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think women are evil.
		I like Iron Man.
		Women are like Iron Man.
		They're magic, right?
		But by ripping out that blue thing, you're ripping out their ability to have children and be mothers and everything.
		And then you put in a piece of shit into Iron Man's chest.
		That's what feminists and like this woman are.
unidentified		They're shit chests.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And they're malfunctioning robots.
		And they're like, kill him.
		Milo wants genocide.
		Kill him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So do you think that they're imitating what they think are patriarchal societies?
		They're doing their version of it.
		And that's what they're doing with this, the whole matriarchal posturing?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like Clark Kent.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I want to write an article.
unidentified		Oh, I'm writing it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No, you're not writing it.
		And you go, Clark, simmer down, dude.
		You write your article.
		I'm doing mine.
unidentified		No.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And he crunches up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's not a whole lot of matriarchal societies in the animal world other than hyenas.
		There's a few of them.
		There's a few where the females are larger than the males.
		A few bugs, especially.
		But hyenas in particular, the female hyenas are much larger than the males.
		They even have fake dicks.
		They have a faux penis.
		He has this big, large tube, fake dick that hangs down.
		They actually give birth out of it.
		And they climb on top of the males and they fuck them.
		And the speculation, there's a lot of speculation as to why the females are bigger, but one of them is that they think that she has to be bigger because hyenas are so goddamn ruthless, they eat their babies.
unidentified		Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So the female has to go, get the fuck away from the baby.
		Get the fuck.
		And she gets on top of them and fucks him, you piece of shit.
		That's my baby.
		I mean, there's no more, you know, no pun intended dog-eat-dog world than a fucking hyena world.
		You're out there fighting for scraps with lions.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I actually have described Antifa and these people as hyenas because that thing I was talking about at Berkeley where our guys went in and said, I thought you guys were like tough or something was his exact quote.
		And they're going, get him, get him, fuck him up.
		And then the guys sort of give up because no one wants to fight them.
		They start walking away and then someone runs up behind him, knocks him out with a flagpole.
		As they're screaming these Italian slogans, by the way, like, no fascista, anti fascista.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		From the 1920s.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're having fun.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They knock him out.
		They're playing a game.
		They're LARPing.
		And they knock him out.
		And then as soon as he's out, the hyenas come out.
		And then they start kicking his unconscious body and they start grabbing.
		There really are like weird little.
		Yeah, it's online.
		You can find it.
unidentified		Oh, fuck.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Weird little ugly savages.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Here's the scary thing, man.
		You're going to invite right-wing people to do the same thing.
		And you're going to get some veterans and you're going to get some fighters.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		We do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And it's going to be horrific, man.
		It's going to be horrific.
		And again, you start kicking their ass and then they're going to come back with weapons and people are going to show up with guns.
		It always leads to someone showing up with guns.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And if this keeps going and these protests, especially the things like the Milo protests, I mean, maybe now that Milo has been humiliated and at least temporarily sidetracked or put down for a bit while he has to rebuild, maybe someone can come along and have reasonable dialogue and do some sort of a campus speech.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why is he doing these things on campuses, first of all?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he gets paid for most of them.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		My theory with Milo is I think his eyesight's getting worse.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		his glasses are getting thicker and thicker and he's sort of going this is my moment to make an impact I think so, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are you just theorizing this?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's only like 28.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you look at him, he's reading glasses.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They're insane.
unidentified		Really?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And they're getting thicker.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's Stress.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Stress making his eyes worse?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a doctor.
unidentified		Clearly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I can't think it would be good.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But I think he's trying to make a maximum impact in a short amount of time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Because you think he doesn't have much time left?
		That's such a way.
		He seems healthy.
		He also seems totally reckless.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		In fact, when we were in Orlando, we made out at the site of the...
		Yeah, at this point.
		I saw the offend Muslims.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So I said, I did a big speech about freedom and free states in this America.
		Delicious.
		Like strawberries.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, at least he freshened his breath up before.
unidentified		No, gays just taste better.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I said, fuck Islam, and then we made out at the site of the Orlando shooting to annoy Muslims.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But we had armed guards and stuff, and I said, all right, I want to make sure these guys are scoping out the roofs and shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And he goes, I don't care if I die.
		I'll happily die for this.
		I was like, well, I do care, actually.
		I've got three kids.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is it nihilism or nihilism?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I always say it wrong.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I always say nihilism.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Nihilism.
		That nihilistic sort of instinct that he has.
		He has a burn it all down instinct.
		And I think he has that with his life as well.
		And I think a lot of that, I'm playing some serious bro psychologist here, you know, some armchair psychology from someone totally unqualified.
		But you've got to attribute that to, at least in some ways, being molested as a child.
		I would imagine that his experiences that he's calling positive experiences when he was young, in many ways, those could have potentially damaged him.
		And also, being young and being homosexual and being rejected, all of those things wreak havoc.
		And you develop this, fuck you, I want to burn it down.
		And this is one of the strategies that he's sort of adopted, that strategy to be this guy who's very difficult.
		He's gay.
		He's an English gay guy who's a right-winger.
		I mean, it's so baffling to them.
		They don't know what to do with it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They hate it because they see blacks and gays as their little pets.
		And they like putting them on the front lines and going, look at who we're helping.
		And then when one of them defects to the other side, they become particularly outraged.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But very few defect at the level that he's defected.
unidentified		Right.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he turned around and started attacking directly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The guy who bankrupted BuzzFeed with the Hulk Hogan lawsuit, Peter Thiel.
		Is that his name?
		Thiel?
		Thiel?
		Thiel.
		The Silicon Valley billionaire.
		He's on Trump's sort of board, right?
		Isn't he?
		He's one of the people that Trump has appointed to help him with technology or something.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's some sort of, see if you can find what that is.
		Pull that shit up, Jamie.
		There's some sort of a position that he has.
		I mean, he's an interesting one because he's a gay man and he's a hugely successful entrepreneur, billionaire character.
		So he's a weird one, too.
		Like these guys that get, they're supposed to, like, if you're gay, you should be on the left.
		If you're, you know, if you're, you know, transgender, you should be on the left.
		Like when Bruce Jenner became Caitlin Jenner and said he's still against gay marriage, everybody was like, what the fuck?
		What in the fuck?
		He's a Trump supporter and he's against gay marriage, but now call me Caitlin.
		And this is my favorite part was when they asked him, like, like Ellen, like really sort of grilled him on it.
		And he goes, well, I'm more of a traditionalist.
		Like, you definitely aren't, you fuck.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that makes sense to me, though.
		Because if you see women as so special that it's a major thing to go over there, then you must have a 1950s view of a lady that's a Doris Day girl with a poodle skirt doing the vacuuming.
		Because liberals and college students just go, you and I are chicks.
		So they don't see it as a long jump.
		But Bruce Jenner sees it as this massive pole vault.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can I pick up?
		Peter Thiel.
		Yeah, sure.
		Peter Thiel adds allies to Trump transition.
		So it says, starting to make his mark on Trump's transition team.
		Thiel, a billionaire investor and Facebook board member, joined the transition team days after the election and gradually bringing in other members of his circle.
		While Thial clashed with Silicon Valley during the campaign by endorsing Trump early, this group may be the strongest or only bridge between the tech industry and the president-elect.
		This is to me, while Gavin's peeing, this is to me the most volatile time that I can ever remember.
		Like the most vulnerable I've felt like our country is like as a nation, like as a structure, as a traditional structure, like president and vice president and Congress and Senate.
		Now that Gavin has returned, I was saying that I think this is the most vulnerable I've ever felt like this country is in terms of like its structure.
		Yeah.
		I just see it as so divided.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Cleanup.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I feel great, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think it's a cleanup?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		In what way?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Trump hiring people as heads of departments that hate that department.
		I hate the government.
		I want it reduced to almost nothing.
		So when you have someone in the Department of Education that likes charter schools and hates public schools, I go, get in there.
		Just start dismantling the unions, the teachers' unions, start tearing them to shreds, make it possible to fire a teacher.
		Let's get the free market in there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's wonderful.
		That is a huge issue.
		I have a friend whose daughter is going to the school, and he is absolutely furious because the teacher has tenure.
		You literally can't fire them unless they commit some sort of a felony.
		And this woman doesn't give a fuck about her classes.
		And he was describing how negligent she is as a teacher and how careless and how little effort she puts into it because she has the class.
		It's hers.
		It's like a free paycheck.
		And she's just not the type of person that's committed to her work.
		And she can't be fired.
		And he's so furious and so frustrated with the public school system and how it all works that he's going to pull his daughter out and put her in a private school now.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I had to do that too.
		I called it the $40,000 post-it note.
		I got a post note on my daughter's homework.
		It said, you're awesome.
		Y-O-U-R.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No way.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		She's a teacher.
		She's a public school.
		She also got no murkers because my daughter used markers on her homework.
		M-E-R-K.
		No murkers.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is a teacher?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you don't have that squiggly red line underneath your text, it's very difficult to tell what the fuck you just said and what's wrong with it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Does this Trump thing bother you with the tax returns?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That bothers me a lot.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Because I want to know how much money he makes from Russia.
		He's got significant business ties with Russia, apparently.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Were you concerned about Hillary's ties with Russia?
unidentified		Sure.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, look, mom, I'm no Hillary supporter by any stretch of the imagination.
		I think she's impossibly corrupt.
		I think she represents this system where people get to a place of influence and they use that influence to make massive amounts of money by giving speeches to bankers and finding ways to profit.
		And look, they're shutting down the Clinton Foundation, right?
		You're aware of that, right?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		This is.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, the whole thing was a big, as soon as she doesn't have any power anymore, gee, how weird that this whole thing is shutting down.
		It's a pay-to-play scheme.
		And that's really what it's been the entire time.
		And everyone knows that.
		But it's one of those things where the left didn't want to talk about it because it weakens their position, it strengthens the right.
		But by not talking about it, it makes them extremely vulnerable as well.
		So I'm no supporter of anything that she stands for or Bill stands for, especially now.
		But he makes me nervous.
		They're spending more money on travel.
		And he complained how much Obama spent on travel.
		Trump will have spent more money on travel in the first seven months than Obama did in the entire eight years he was in the White House.
		Because he's flying back and forth to Mar-a-Lago, back and forth to Manhattan.
		He's doing whatever the fuck he wants.
		He's flying his kids when his kids have to fly to do business for him, when they're opening up casinos.
		It's all secret service.
		Everything is being done with taxpayer money.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He is the most consistently threatened president in history.
		I mean, the Daily Mail printed this, no, sorry, the Daily News in New York printed this list of how many people would have to be killed to get to a Democrat.
		And they go, we're just throwing this out there just so you can see.
		It would have to be this person and then the vice president and then the secretary and the postmaster general and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
		And you go, why are you publishing hit lists?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why would they do that?
		Because the people who are doing it.
		It's common.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it all over the place.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People will read it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Comedians are talking about it too.
		Like, let's just take them out.
		It's got to be taken out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Comedians are saying that?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Michael Moore said something strange could happen before Joy Behar said something like that too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was Sarah Silverman, too.
		She had this thing.
		She was advocating.
		She was saying that once the military steps in, the Mad King will no longer be there.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Like, what?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You do not want the fucking military to run the country ever.
		Do you understand what that means?
		If they can kill the president, they can kill you too.
		You have to be absolutely out of your fucking mind to want the military to step in and run the country.
		You are advocating a military dictatorship.
		Because by the way, that's what happens when the military comes over.
		When they take over, you don't get a vote.
		There's no fucking vote now.
		That's all gone.
		The people with the guns are now running things.
		And they do whatever the fuck they want.
		It's very inconvenient for them to have to sit down and listen to people who go to Largo on Tuesday night to watch Sarah Silverman speak.
		Like, it's very inconvenient for them to take your opinion into consideration.
		And they're not going to.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, the implication there, too, is that she's running it.
		Like, General Brigadier Judd Apatow is calling out the commander's guy, General Patton Oswald.
		I just don't think they've thought tanks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They haven't thought it through.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They never think it through because it's just religion.
		It's all platitudes.
		It's all mods and rockers made up shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's also, there's a lot of posturing online.
		When you're making these statements online, you're doing it to not just because you have something to say, which I believe there's something there, but also because you want love.
		You want people to like what you're saying.
		You want people to retweet it.
		You want people to say, hey, that guy is really on the ball.
		That girl is really on top of politics.
		Yeah, you go, girl.
		You know, you're saying the right things.
		Yeah, fuck him.
		We got to get him.
		But they're not thinking this thing out.
		You had a contest.
		There's a fucking contest.
		The person that you had go against the person that you didn't want to win sucked.
		So the person who won won the fucking contest.
		You can't just come in and say now the military has to take over because I don't agree with the results of the contest.
		We have a country.
		The country's filled with 350 million people.
		Enough with your shitty electoral college system decided that this guy should win the contest.
		He won.
		He won fucking fair and square.
		Whether or not the Russians were involved in hacking the DNC, take that aside.
		Look at it for what it is because what the Russians exposed was fucking corruption.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And I don't, they're obsessed with these emails.
		And I go, you know, that's not what lost it for her.
		There was no real smoking guns in those emails.
		There was what's your name coming up with questions for CNN.
		There was Jake Tapper looking dirty in there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Where did Jake Tapper look dirty from?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It looked like he was getting questions, talking points from the DNC.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You may have to pull that shit up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was also the very clear collusion where they were making sure that Bernie Sanders did not win the primaries.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That was where it was most disturbing to me.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But was that leaked through emails?
unidentified		Yes.
		Okay.
		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they did.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So she did something corrupt.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she did something corrupt.
		And they're saying, well, the Republicans didn't get exposed.
		And, well, the implication is the Russians had something on them, but there was a deal.
		But how do you know that's the case?
		They might not have done anything illegal.
		That's also possible.
		It's possible.
		It's possible that if you look at the very minimal amount of things that were done by the DNC, there was just a few incidents.
		None of them landed anybody in jail, right?
		So I think we can kind of agree that whether or not they're corrupt, they're fairly minimal.
		Even though you are fucking with democracy, I mean, that's what you're doing when you're rigging the primaries.
		You're fucking with democracy.
		No one went to jail.
		So the worst case scenario that was attributed to them was still not enough to warrant a criminal investigation or jail time.
		Then you have the other side.
		And you're supposed to assume that their side was more egregious or was it equal and just not exposed?
		Look all the shit that was exposed.
		Look at that Billy Bush interview.
		You're telling me that's not worse than anything that was exposed on the other side as far as public opinion?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It seemed to resonate more.
		I don't know.
		I didn't say why.
		It was just a dumb joke, but it seemed to be...
		It was a pussy joke march.
		Look, Trump won because of transgender bathrooms.
		He won because of the aggrievement industry.
		He won because of the liberal media spinning stories.
		He won because we're all sick of government.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Obamacare.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Obamacare.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of factors.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		There was so much animosity built up against the establishment that when Rodney Dangerfield showed up in tartan pants and said, hey, whoa, whoa, what, someone stepped on a duck?
		We all went, that fucking guy, I want him to come in and just blow it all up and let's start from scratch.
		It wasn't leaks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But the ties to the Russians, that doesn't bother you at all?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The fact that he won't release his taxes, it doesn't bother you at all?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		that bothers me because we should know where money comes from.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But look at what they do, look at this obsession with reframing things.
		Like Milo's sentence has been construed to mean he wants 13-year-olds to have sex all the time with adults.
		Every time they get a, like Ann Coulter said, our blacks are better than their blacks.
		She meant conservative blacks tend to be more well-researched because they get a hammering at Thanksgiving from their family and they're not conforming to the majority of their race.
		So they tend to be hardened.
		That gets construed into, Ann Coulter thinks we still have slaves and we own blacks.
		So you can just see the way these tax returns, especially in an era where we seem to hate entrepreneurs and we seem to hate wealth.
		I mean, I've heard so many people criticize Trump saying he's a billionaire or the Betsy DeVos because she's a billionaire.
		And you go, since when is that a fucking insult?
		That's the only thing everyone on earth wants to be.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		I mean, you're kind of setting up a bit of a straw man with that because I don't think that's just what people are challenging and what people are upset about with Trump.
		What they're upset about is that they believe that he might be influenced by foreign governments that have a vested interest in controlling our democracy.
		And that's what the Russian thing is scary.
		If he's making considerable amount of money in Russia and a considerable amount of money in China, you have to wonder whether or not he will be influenced by that financial tie, by those financial ties, and whether or not that will influence the policy that he creates in this country, whether or not he allows things to happen that we don't think should happen just so that he can profit.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Valid concern.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But it's not proven yet, and if it is proven, we'll drag him out of the White House by his heels.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right, but don't you think that the only way you're ever going to really prove that is by seeing his taxes?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You have to see his taxes.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		People don't understand how business works.
		That's why I bring up this anti-entrepreneurial age, like with the bankruptcy laws.
		In the 90s, everyone was taking advantage of bankruptcy laws because the government was so bad at its job.
		So Trump had to go on board.
		The same with his manufacturing his ties in China.
		I've tried to make things in America, like toy dolls.
		They were going to be 17 times the price if we didn't make them in China.
		So it wasn't like it would be a challenge.
		It just wasn't possible.
		Once that system is like that, you have to adhere to that system if you're going to eventually change it.
		And I think people are going to see these tax returns.
		They don't know what the fuck they're doing.
		And they're going to go, oh, here's proof that he's in bed with these people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, some people are going to be able to analyze them and come up with accurate assessments of where he's being influenced and where he makes money and why that could be a problem and why it could be a conflict of interest.
		But we should be able to have that information.
		And every single president before him has been forthcoming with that information.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Everybody was going to have been a financial loser.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he said he was going to release it up until the moment where he got in, and then he said, no, why should I not?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess, I don't know.
unidentified		It's a good idea.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't think they should force him to release the taxi to me?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Like these people, they're worried about foreign influence.
		We had Hillary showing us her foreign influence with uranium theory.
		We showed her selling the presidency, having Bill Clinton do a talk about the president.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that doesn't exonerate Trump, right?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No, but where were you then?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You, the president of you.
		You're right, you're right.
		But we're not talking to them, right?
		We're talking to me.
		And I'm not a left-wing Hillary supporter in any way, shape, or form.
		I just think that if we're going to have a president, we have to have some pretty universal rules that we follow.
		And one of them should be the president should be beyond influence by foreign governments.
		And there's really not a whole lot of ways to tell what's influencing you other than tax returns.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Trevor Burrus: So you're implying that in these tax returns, you're going to see massive checks from Russia.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying that.
		I'm saying we should find out.
		I mean, you should absolutely.
		You're the president.
		It's very eroding.
		It erodes the public confidence.
		If you hide that, if you conceal that, if you don't tell us where you have your money stored, you don't tell us where you're making money, where you have bank accounts, where you're...
		And if we don't know where he's being influenced through his financial connections, I feel like that's really problematic.
		And I think it's a real dangerous thing to deny it because it's always just been what presidents do.
		And we've always said it was a good thing.
		And I always thought it was law.
		I thought it was mandatory.
		I never knew that there was a way to get around it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They're being under audit right now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I thought that was over.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He says it's still going, and it's been going since the 70s or something like that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's hilarious.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So he just has to keep the audit going, then he doesn't have to tell us how much?
unidentified		Yes.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I understand your logic.
		The bigger picture here is I think that people don't understand that he took a major hit becoming president financially.
		And I think that was part of the appeal.
		Americans went, holy shit, you're putting it all on the line for us?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he's not.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They're losing tons of money.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		His sons are running the business.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I guess they're doing a great job.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The brand took a huge hit.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How so?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		His residences, the golf courses.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the Mar-a-Lago, the attendance is up, and they raise the admission fee to $200,000 a year.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's how much it costs now to join there.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		My understanding is the brand with his residencies and his golf clubs and everything else took a major hit.
		And I understand that because it's like if you're in New York and you say, we're a Mets mattress company.
		Well, it's not that people are anti-Met, but now Yankees fans don't want your mattress.
		So seeing anything political when you're a brand like that is going to lose you 50% of your followers.
		And he went on limb.
		And if he had lost the election, he still would have had that brand damage without any of the benefits.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And why?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And people saw him put everything on black and they went, I appreciate you risking that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Has that been proven that his brand has been damaged?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like have there been any studies of attendance or residencies dropping?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Pull that shit up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't the people that owned condos in one of the Trump buildings tried to change the name?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		In New York, they literally ripped the word Trump off of their building.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They did do that, right?
unidentified		Yep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They had construction rentals.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There are people that own condos in that building, right?
		So it's a place where you buy the...
		You buy your apartment.
		It's so strange.
		But they pulled the Trump name down.
		Whose idea is that?
		And how did I get away?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It was all agreed.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It was a Democratic decision, and they said we don't want this on the business.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, they probably don't want to be targeted, too, because I was there right after the election.
		I just happened to be there because the UFC was there in Madison Square Garden right after the election.
		So I walked to the gym, and when I came back, it was like while we're in the gym, the riots or the parade, the march started.
		And so we walked back right in the thick of it.
		And they were parked out in front of the Trump Tower, just fucking screaming.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		What a bunch of fucking losers.
unidentified		I saw them for Trump, KKK, racist, sexist, anti-gay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This guy just kept screaming.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Where did that even come from?
		They did another thing where they, first of all, they dance outside of Mike Pence's house.
		He's not even there.
		Like he gives a fuck.
		He never said gays can't dance.
		And then they just do that in New York.
		They start making out with each other in front of the Trump building like he's going to go, oh, stop it.
unidentified		Stop it.
unidentified		I'm evil.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I can't see gergamel from the Smurfs.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I hate that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's the same thing we were talking about earlier with labeling Milo a Nazi and fascist and homophobic and promoting genocide.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If you just say those words and define someone, you immediately put them in a nice box that you can attack.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And so by someone, this guy was right next to me, fucking screaming it, Donald Trump, KKK, racist, sexist, anti-gay.
		This was hilarious.
		He saw a black guy coming.
		He starts yelling, Black Lives Matter.
unidentified		Black Lives Matter.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was like, oh, you son of a bitch.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You fuck.
		They come up with this concept that the president is pro-hate.
		So then they go, hey, Trump, I'm against hate.
		And he goes, that's nice.
		So they build their straw man, and then they're attacking him and lighting him on fire.
		And the rest of us are going, I don't care that you're lighting a scarecrow on fire.
		You look fucking ridiculous.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not empowering their cause to be exaggerating about his stances on things like gay rights or any of these other things.
		It's not empowering.
		So when you say he's KKK, when you say he's anti-gay, when you say he's racist, without real proof, like you could say that he has said some very racist things about some Mexicans.
		You can say that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No, you can't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you could say that he's talking about all the rapists and the murders that are going to be.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		80% of illegals who cross the border, the women get raped.
		They're at the point now where these women just take contraception as part of the deal.
		It's almost like it's not rape at this point because it's a currency.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I pussy people that are coming across.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He was saying they're sending their rapists, and they are.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Mexico has its own program where they send their criminals over the border.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he did a good job of expressing that, if that's what he really wanted to say.
		And I think he could have been more measured, and he could have done it in a way that would, but that's not how he talks.
		He could have done it in a way that would have removed any doubt as to what his intentions are, how he feels about people.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Right, but it is chest-like.
		Sometimes he talks like an idiot, they're doing bad things, and then you realize four days later, holy shit, that was brilliant.
		So, with the Mexicans thing, these Mexicans are rapists.
		You go, what?
		And then you look it up and go, holy shit, 80% of these women get raped crossing the border by these coyotes?
		Holy crap.
		And then another example of this, him being four steps ahead, is when he says, he's trying to do this travel ban, right?
		Muslims are a threat to America.
		And everyone goes, that's crazy.
		And then he says, the press isn't reporting on the following terrorism cases.
		This, this, this, this.
		He lists about 20.
		So then the media goes, that's not true.
		We reported on this.
		We reported on that.
		We reported on the London bombing.
		We reported on Benghazi.
		We reported on this.
		And then he duped them into talking about terrorism for three days straight.
		All of a sudden, his travel ban looks pretty reasonable.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's interesting.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So he's often setting a trap for people that they come bounding into.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, whether or not he's doing it on purpose or whether or not just by finding things that he can say that back up his point, he's starting that conversation off in a way that they wouldn't ordinarily start off.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It might have been what happened with Sweden, where he goes, look what happened with Sweden last night on a particularly dead night in Sweden.
		Now, you could say, look how many blacks died in gang warfare today in Chicago.
		It might be none today.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But the average this year is two.
unidentified		Right.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And so you look it up and you go, holy shit, 780 people died in Chicago this year?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is today the 22nd?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There was a significant event on the 21st in Sweden.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Massive last year.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Look, Sweden has got problems.
		Europe has problems.
		They definitely do.
		And whenever you have people from one culture that immigrate into another culture and they're disenfranchised and poor, and they have a really, I'm just going to keep going with it.
		And they also have a really restrictive, fucked up culture that they're coming from.
		And they want to impose that culture on the people that live in Germany or wherever.
		And they want women to start wearing long dresses and they treat them like they're whores if they don't.
		That's all fucking real dangerous.
		They're from a different part of the world.
		And it's a part of the world that hasn't changed much in a long time.
		And that part of the world, I mean, you could call it culture, you can call it religious tradition, but whenever you're dealing with a part of the world that still has honor killings and female genital mutilation, and you don't let women drive, and women aren't allowed to vote, and you have this incredibly restrictive world that you're existing in, and then you bring that world somewhere else, you're going to have a culture clash.
		And you're seeing that.
		And this is, you know, if you want people to be free and you want people to have the ability to integrate into a more free culture like America is, you also have to be honest about what the consequences are.
		And you have to be honest about what kind of culture they're coming from.
		And as soon as you talk about that, you get labeled an Islamophobe.
		As soon as you talk about this incredibly restrictive, misogynistic culture that's based on an ancient series of rituals and beliefs, you become a racist and a bigot by talking about a reality.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And they're not a race.
		You're talking about culture.
		And it's important to make that distinction as a Western chauvinist that I think the West is the best.
		I don't care what race you are.
		But I don't think that other cultures are different.
		I think they're worse.
		And Islam is 500 years behind us.
		We were shitty.
		We had witch hunts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Inquisition.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		We had the Inquisition.
		They're not caught up to us yet.
		They're not as advanced.
		And I think two big problems with them as far as progress goes is the Quran is an exceptionally violent book.
		It doesn't have a 2.0 the way Christians do.
		And no one ever talks about this, but they have a major problem with inbreeding.
		They are marrying their first cousins again and again and again.
		And that makes your evolution go backwards.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is this true?
		Where are you getting that from?
		I never heard of that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Ensemaneity, I think it's called.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Muhammad said it's okay to marry your first cousin.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		For real?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And you do that once or twice, it's pretty bad.
		And you do it for 40 generations, and now you're going back in time.
		Look at Iran in 1965.
		Mini skirts, women doing chemistry with test tubes, driving around.
		Hi, you want to go to the go-go hop later?
		And now just garbage bags.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, oh, Gregorian chants everywhere.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They've gone backwards in time, and I blame, obviously, the Quran and the culture and religion, but also I think inbreeding enables them to get hijacked by these radicals.
		I mean, we've got guys who think they can beat snake bites in America.
		Can you imagine them taking over Christianity?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's hilarious.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But they're not taking over America the way they took over the Middle East.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You think it's the same?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They're equivalent as far as theirs Yeah, I think Irshad Manji in The Trouble with Islam, she says a weird group of Wasabis just hijacked their religion and sent it into the Dark Ages.
		And I go, yeah, but how were they vulnerable to hijacking?
		Christianity couldn't be hijacked by the snake guys.
		And I think a part of it was inbreeding.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is your own theory.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Muslims are inbreeding.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Major, major problem.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've never heard this before.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Especially with immigrants in Britain, like the Pakistanis in London.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They'll have all kinds of serious inbreeding problems because that's an even smaller sample size you're dealing with.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And every time I bring this up, people go, yeah, what about white people, hillbillies?
		They were inbreeding or royalty.
		They were inbreeding.
		And I go, yeah.
		And it went real bad.
		It was a bad move.
		We learned the hard way.
		We saw deliverance.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is the first I've heard of it, but pull it up.
		I'm sure.
		I'm sure you're not lying.
		You find anything?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Something on Snopes popped up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Snopes.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, Snopes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Snopes is...
		That guy's partying.
		He married some woman who was an escort.
		You ever seen the story on Snopes?
		Yeah, the guy who ran Snopes, ran it with his wife, left his wife for a prostitute.
		She's suing him because all the money he spent on prostitutes.
		And now he married the prostitute and she's not a prostitute anymore.
		Now she works for Snopes.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wow.
		I knew it was a husband and wife team.
		I didn't know that's how they met.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Now, well, there was a husband and wife team, and now it's a husband with the new wife, and then they're suing each other.
		The ex-wife and the husband were suing each other over who gets the money.
		Some big, crazy story, but he's just got a big fucking smile on his face, and he's hanging out with this girl.
		He used to be an escort.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I find that distasteful, unless it's Richard Gere and Julia Roberts, because they're gorgeous, and then I like it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Then I think it's Richard.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He ain't the best looking guy, but the prostitute at one point in time, the gal who worked as an escort, I should say.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to be disrespectful.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I dated an escort once.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you?
		Holla.
		While she was escorting?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Post.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Post.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		She was molested as a kid.
unidentified		Ooh.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So for sex for her, we had to go super intense.
		Like public humiliation.
		She wanted me to slap her in a grocery store and stuff.
		Oh, Jesus.
		Because intimacy had been ruined by dad.
		Oh, God.
		So that we had to leap over that and get right into mean stuff.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, fuck, man.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it wasn't great.
		But that brings me back to what you were saying earlier.
		Let's just spitball here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Molestation gays.
		Here's my theory.
		First of all, I think 1% of people are gay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		1%.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		1%.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is the current theory?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about 10 all the time?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		10%'s crazy.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's fucking nuts.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Going to be a bad thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		1 out of 10 people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's nonsense.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You remember your classrooms?
		You'd have three classes.
		There was that one fae guy who wore lacrosse.
		There's a few.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's a few.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it might be as high as five, but it's definitely, I mean, unless you're in some place with maybe some sort of a gas leak.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what we're getting at.
		Nature and nurture.
		So these are gays.
		These are lesbians.
		I think a higher proportion of lesbians are that way from getting molested.
		And it's easier to go with a woman because they're not as gross as cocks.
unidentified		Right.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So I'm going to say.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they're more nurturing, and they're also been sexualized by our culture, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're constantly on billboards selling things.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know, and girls kissing girls is hot.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You know, you can just get a strap on.
		There, I can have a dude, and I won't think a dad.
		So I'm just totally spitballing here, making it up.
		I'm going to say a third of lesbians were molested.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot.
		I'm going to say within the percentage of gays, less than that.
		I'm going to say a fifth.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A fifth.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		This is talking out of my ass here.
		A fifth of gays.
		So it's possible that Milo was that way.
		Lena Dunham's sister, Lena brags about molesting her sister.
		She's a lesbian now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		She is.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		Jesus.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So maybe you get molested.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It could be by anyone, and sex, you know, brings you bad feelings.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When children experience sex when they're not sexual, like when they're not, their hormones haven't kicked in, they haven't reached puberty, and they experience sex at a very early age.
		They become hypersexualized.
		And they say that that's one of the things that happens to women that are molested.
		And they speculate that that could also be one of the things that happen to men when they experience a molestation by another man at an early age.
		And there's an imprinting that happens.
		Christopher Ryan, the author of Sex at Dawn, has talked about this, that there's imprinting that happens during the formative years.
		And I forget what those years are.
		I think he said between 10 and like 14.
		But things that can happen during those years are they like lock in.
		And that's where people develop fetishes.
		And they develop all sorts of weird sort of like kinky sort of things that they connect to sex.
		And it's because of the fact that your body and mind are developing.
		Your hormones are kicking in.
		Yeah, it totally makes sense.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a disturbing trait.
		And your job as a parent and as a society is to keep kids as pure for as long as possible.
		You want Santa to go as long as humanly possible.
		You want the Easter Bunny, the fair.
		Even 9-11, my kids don't know what 9-11 is.
		I'm keeping that.
		Race, too.
		Racism.
		I just want them to know that that guy has dark skin.
		I don't want them to know any of those other things.
		And we're living in a culture where we're normalizing so much decadence that we're destroying our own innocence in the process.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Dude, strap yourself in for this.
		70% of all Pakistanis are inbred.
		And in Turkey, the amount is between 25 to 30%.
		More stillbirths among immigrants.
		A rough estimate reveals that close to half of everybody living in the Arab world is inbred.
		A large percentage of the parents, this is blowing my mind.
		Large percentage of the parents that are blood.
		Where is this coming from?
		What is this website?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I blog posted it before I came here.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		TJ Media, but these are all the sources that went to.
		This source is reproductivehealthjournal.com.
		This is a BBC investigation that went to it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So listen to the BBC investigation in Britain several years ago revealed that at least 55% of the Pakistani community in Britain was married to a first cousin.
		The Times of India affirmed that, in quotes, this is thought to be linked to the probability that a British Pakistani family, British Pakistani family is at least 13 times more likely than the general population to have children with the recessive genetic disorders.
		Holy shit.
		BBC's research also discovered that while British Pakistanis account for just 3.4% of all births in Britain, they accounted for 30% of all British children with recessive disorders and a higher rate of infant mortality.
		What in the fuck?
		Labor Party MP has called for a ban on first cousin marriage.
		Medical evidence shows that one of the negative consequences of inbreeding is a 100% increase in the risk of stillbirths.
		One study comparing the Norwegians in Pakistani showed that the risk of the child dying during labor increases by 50%.
		Wow.
		That is insane.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I also read somewhere that a lot of the symptoms of inbred people are irrational rage, fanaticism, and they end up just describing ISIS.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Look at what it says here, that with the IQ points, it says findings on intelligence.
		Research shows that if one parents are cousins, if one's parents are cousins, intelligence goes down 10 to 16 IQ points.
		The risk of having an IQ lower than 70, criterion for being retarded in quotes.
		Are they using that word?
		Who uses that word?
		They use it like that?
		I've never seen it used like that.
		I've always seen it.
		I don't think it's a medical distinction.
		This is a real website.
		The fuck are we reading that?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's retardation.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Did they say retardation?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, it says retarded.
		It says retarded.
		In quotes, see right there?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That is the medical definition.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Increases 400% among children from cousin marriages.
		Let me say that again.
		The risk of having an IQ lower than 70 increases 400% amongst children from cousin marriages.
		An academic paper published in the Indian National Science Academy found that the onset of various social profiles like visual fixation, social smile, and sound seizures, oral expression, and hand grasping are significantly delayed among the newborn inbred babies.
		What in the fuck?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Good name for a band.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Newborn Inbred Babies?
		Yeah.
		That's a punker band if I've ever heard one.
		Wow.
		Jesus Christ.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Then why don't we know this?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Because people don't like the truth.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Islamophobia.
		They don't like being called Islamophobic by even discussing it.
		Like, we're going to be called Islamophobic for even bringing this up.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I know, and I'm glad you read that from a reputable site, so it's not Joe Rogan and Gavin McInnes call Muslims retarded.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is PJ Media.
		I don't know what that is, but let's find out if there's other corroborating or dissenting sources.
		Pajama Media is a well-established network of sites are what you wear when you want to be serious about problems with Islam.
		You wear your footy pajamas and you get down to basics.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		People are scared of genetics too because it gets into eugenics and they get uncomfortable.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But my favorite thing gets into racism too.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Racism, but I come from a shitty Glaswegian family.
		My uncles were drunks.
		And maybe coming from a shitty group, you develop this immunity to fear of your group sucking.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm Italian, mostly Italian.
		I'm one quarter Irish.
		And fucking, I came from a line of savages.
		They're ape people.
		You know, there's a good percentage of my ancestors and relatives that I know that are fucking ape people.
		And I can say that because I know them and I come from them and I have ape people instincts that I fight off every goddamn day around.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The first time I came here, you were trying to separate your spinal cord because you had crushed it from choking people out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not trying to separate it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to relax it and decompress it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You sound like Dr. Zayas right now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to smart ape.
		But I did.
		I worked it.
		It's great now.
		My back works wonderful.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		My back stretched out.
		My philosophy is I don't care what the truth is.
		No such thing as hate facts to me.
		Right.
		Let's hear it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let's hear the facts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they might be uncomfortable for you, but they are facts.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's the truth, and it's best for everyone.
		I was talking to this surgeon recently, and he's trying to accrue a DNA database that would just sort of like going into the singularity.
		It would be like becoming God, and you would be able to tell from a baby, see if a baby is going to have a propensity for lung cancer, you know, right out of the gate.
		And he's scared of this concept because he's worried it will affect insurance policies.
		They'll demand to see a smear, some of your spit, and they'll go, oh, fuck this.
		We're not insuring you.
		You have a 40% chance of prostate cancer, a 50% chance of this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And then what's the point of insurance?
		Because then insurance gets real weird.
		It's not a gamble anymore.
		It's like you could see the cards.
		Like, let me see your cards.
		No, I'm not gambling with you.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Now it's just a bank account.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that kind of what insurance is, right?
		It's like, I look at you.
		Hey, Gavin, let me take your blood pressure up.
		Well, cough?
		Okay, let me hit your knee with this little rubber mallet.
		Everything seems okay.
		Hey, how you sleeping?
		Sleeping pretty good?
		Well, okay, I'm going to give you a positive checkup and you bring it to the insurance company and you go, look, everything checks out.
		You going to insure me?
		They're like, hmm.
		All right, we'll take a chance.
		But it is taking a chance.
		Do you smoke?
		Oh, you smoke.
		I don't like my odds there.
		Do you drink?
		I don't like my odds.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, as we're getting smarter, we're turning into those chicks in the hot tub and minority report.
		And soon we'll be able to just go, I can't insure you.
		You're dying on the way home today.
		Oh, no.
		But I say to him, I go, fine, let's get it out there.
		The free market will figure out insurance for the doomed, some sort of catastrophic policy, but there'll be more money over here to even it out.
		Information has to come out.
		We need this information about inbreeding.
		I think it explains the hijacking of Muslim religion.
		You know, Hasidic Jews have the same problem, but they, because they're aware of this and the truth is out, they have all kinds of elaborate DNA tests they do on each other.
		Not everyone takes it, but rabbis will encourage this for us to check you out and make sure you're not related and encourage this marriage because it makes the most genetic sense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I had no idea.
		You blew my mind with that information.
		I'm hoping that Jamie's going to pull up something that shows that that's a right-wing hate group that's infiltrated the statistics.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		It does seem to come on a lot of right-wing websites, so I'm trying to find more sources, but I'm trying to find another source.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Just try to find another source, and we'll continue to talk about other genetic things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are you aware of CRISPR?
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's some crazy shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And they've been given the green light to go ahead and start working on human fetuses.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I actually had this crazy theory in church the other day where I thought, is it possible that we're in heaven?
		Like, you know how the concept of heaven is unfathomable, right?
		It's something that's totally different from where we are now, and it's this infinite universe thing that our brains can't handle.
		And then I was thinking, wait a minute, this sounds like a sperm trying to figure out what Earth is.
		Maybe the sperm was us.
		Being born was dying.
		Now we're alive here on heaven and we're slowly getting closer and closer to perfection.
		I mean, lifespan's been getting better.
		The quality of life has been getting better.
		We're going to die soon.
		But in like 50 generations with CRISPRs and all this incredible genetic information, soon we might be able to just be like, we have cured your liver cancers.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's going to get really weird because they're going to be able to integrate the human beings that are here today with not just communication, not just visual information, but some sort of computer language.
		Jamie and I were just talking about this yesterday where we were talking about emojis.
		And, you know, and this is something that has been brought up before, that emojis are in many ways a lot like hieroglyphs.
		And that you can say something with emojis that can kind of translate what you're thinking without an actual language.
		And we were saying, we're going to get down to the only words you say are like yes and no, like yeah and no, like nods and affirmations and confirmations.
		And the language that we speak could be some sort of a weird, universal, emoji-based language that's just expressed from mind to mind through some neural implants or some fucking Snapchat glasses we wear.
		I mean, we're not too Far away from something really bizarre and paradigm shifting like that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I remember when downloading your brain was just science fiction movies.
		And you know, you talk to people our age about their dead grandfather, and they go, I have this black and white photo, and I have this letter he wrote the newspaper in 1896.
		That's all I got.
		My life, my kids will never be able to read all the articles I've written or watch all the videos I've done.
		They'll never get through them all.
		They can watch them for 100 hours if they're bored, but there's way more of my brain permanently out there in the cosmos than they could ever want.
		Oh, yeah.
		For pictures and everything.
		So the next generation, your dad isn't really going to die.
		You can just hang out with him whenever you want.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure you're aware of Ray Kurzweil.
		You know, Kurzweil's thing is that he wants to somehow or another recreate his father because his father died when he was young.
		And he has some information about his father and he has some DNA that obviously is his.
		And he has, you know, photographs and memories.
		And he wants to figure out a way to literally recreate his father and have a conversation with him.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That, I know you, you're an atheist, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I am a nothing.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		This is, I feel like, you know, the beginning of Prometheus where he drinks that thing and then he deteriorates and goes into the water?
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's what I think the Big Bang was.
		It was this beautiful microchip that just started the first domino and everything else is going to this place like the singularity is near, this incredible perfection that we're headed to.
		And there's all these checks and balances along the way.
		Like I was reading about Audrey Hepburn the other day and she was super skinny, right?
		Breakfast at Tiffany's chick.
		She grew up in, I think, Holland during the war.
		And the Nazis cut off Holland from all supplies.
		So they were forced to eat tulips.
		And a lot of them, hundreds of thousands of them starved to death.
		And Audrey Hepburn was from that world.
		And she was a skinny chick who didn't need a lot of food.
		And then all of her ancestors' kids became obese, big giant fat pigs.
		And they say it could have been genetic memory where their bodies went, holy shit, you found Doritos?
		I'm going to hold on to this because you're never going to find one again.
		And I've noticed this in LA with all these Mexicans I see everywhere.
		They seem more obese than the general populace.
		And I think they have genetic memory from a generation or two ago where food was scarce and their bodies hold on to it more thoroughly.
		We see this with American Indians all the time.
		And major diabetes problems.
		And it's genetic memory where these are the checks and balances.
		And the fact that a cell can remember this through a generation is like, have you ever heard of cell memory?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Where you get an eye transplant and all of a sudden you're seeing the guy that killed that guy?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've heard stories of that, but I don't know if it's ever been proven.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's still in the gotta look it up department of my brain.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		People getting organ transplants as well, where they have hungers, like they have a hunger, hunger pangs for something that they never craved before.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It's not known as Bigfoot shit.
		It's known as, I think it was on 60 Minutes, but I know genetic memory is a real thing.
		And I just see all of this as part of the bigger picture as we check and balance ourselves constantly improving.
		And the left seems to always deny that, that there's this 45-degree line, even in the stock market.
		If you invested right before the Great Depression and you had the patience to wait 10 years, you still would have been up.
		So all the dips we've had, it's always been improving, improving, improving, improving.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, there's definitely some memories that are passed on between parents and children.
		And they're trying to figure out exactly what's the mechanism, but they don't know.
		What they do know is that they've done these studies with mice, and it's really fascinating.
		They take mice and they put them in this cage that has a floor that they can give an electric shock to it.
		And then they release a citrus smell.
		The mice smell the citrus smell and then they zap them.
		So they zap their feet.
		So then these mice have children.
		The children have never had this experience before.
		The children are, they grow to full size and then they spray the citrus smell and they fucking panic.
unidentified		No way.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They've never been zapped before, but they fucking panic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They have an immediate reaction to it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		See, when I hear that, I go, how can people not believe in God?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if it's a God thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a learned reaction to genetics that passed on from parent to child that is the reason for instincts.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's the reason why irrational feeds.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is magic kind of magic, but what is that magic?
		I mean, what is the universe itself?
		I mean, what is the magic that makes you see me?
		What is the magic?
		What is God?
		I mean, it's a weird, limited expression to sort of make some sense out of something that's beyond our feeble mind and imagination at this point.
		But I don't know if it's necessarily...
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		This could all be some sort of giant experiment.
		And I go, way to have discovered God.
		That's what it is.
		It's the Matrix.
		It's the first domino.
		It's the machine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're not talking about God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're not talking about a guy who lives in the clouds with a heart.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's us trying to get a grip on it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's us drawing a face on the guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's a guy?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Like Wilson in Castaway.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You're just putting a face on a baseball glove or a volleyball.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it's a guy?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		We say guy.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, guy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He's tranny.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		If God is a really fat German guy with a dress and he's got a deep voice and he eats lipstick.
		He's got lipstick all over his teeth.
		Man hands.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He's got a twitch.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He's got fat all the time as he likes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's got chip nail polish on his toes and disgusting feet that are shoved into some high-heel shoes.
		Do you think it's a physical entity?
		Do you think it's an energy?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's inexplicable.
		I mean, our meager.
		That's why I thought of this whole sperm-to-human thing.
		Because the only relationship I can see in front of me that mimics this is a pilages and a human being.
		We're the pilages.
		So if you said to a sperm, so what is this earth man like?
		Does he wear a tie?
unidentified		The sperm would just go, that's the word.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Those aren't words.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But it seems to me that when you say something is God or you say you believe in God, you're defining something.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you don't even know what you're defining.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Gratitude.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You go to church, and it's just about reverence and thank God that I'm here, and I really appreciate it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Gratitude's huge.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's Latin Mass.
		You go to Latin Mass, and it's just like, Isam nap smaratu nus frita.
		Like, I don't know what they're saying, but I'm in this incredible building that's that's blown.
		I was talking to Milo about it once when he was last in New York, and I go, it is kind of unusual how good these churches are, like, how beautiful they are.
		Do you feel like when the contractors were making them, like the stained glass, it was like they're on Adderall and they had this sort of divine intervention where they're like, holy fuck, I'm really good today.
		Like, I can't believe how well this carving's turning out.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you been to Rome?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus Christ.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Have you been to Rome?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you go to the Vatican?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think we went up to the wall.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I can't remember if we went in or not.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, man.
		You want to talk about something that'll blow your mind as far as like the religious undertones and the majestic magnificence of its construction.
		St. Peter's Basilica.
		I mean, the whole Vatican is incredible.
		The artwork is just amazing.
		I mean, we were there for hours and hours wandering around.
		We had this really cool professor we hired as a guide who was amazing.
		He told us all the history of everything.
		But when you get to St. Peter's Basilica and he was explaining how many hundreds of years it took to build, and they're building all this shit with no electricity, no machines, no nothing.
		Everything's massive and perfect and beautiful.
		It's like you're looking at such an incredible work of art that's designed to inspire awe and reverence.
		And it's the motivation behind building something like this fucking hundreds of years ago.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's really, I think it's gratitude.
		And you see this, my wife's American Indian.
		And at all those ceremonies, we give thanks to the North, we give thanks to the West, we give thanks to the East.
		And that's what church is.
		It's just like, I don't know the details, but thank you for that.
		Wow, my hands work.
		Thank you so much for this.
		Let's pray for other people.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a great way to live life, is living life with gratitude.
		And I try to be thankful all the time.
		I'm a very lucky person, and I've always been very lucky, and I'm always very thankful, too.
		I try to be very generous.
		I try to be very thankful.
		I try to be friendly as much as I can.
		And all those things I think sort of build onto it.
		But to have it and define it and to put it into like a religion, that's where things can get awry because they can get screwy when you're sort of defining things by this ancient set of rules that was sort of established before we really understood science, before we really understood the laws of thermodynamics, the way the universe is formed, what we know now about the cosmos.
		It's just there's so many variables that have to be taken into account when you're looking at an entire system, when you're trying to define what God is and what religion is.
		And then you look at how restrictive religion has been in the past and how many people have suffered because the discoveries that they had didn't jive with the ancient texts.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You mean like Galileo and I think I guess.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the Catholic Church is very pro-science and has been pro-science for a long time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, so is the Islamic Church.
		For the longest time, Islam was like the foundation of science and the foundation of literature.
		Like before Genghis Khan came riding into Iraq and fucked up Baghdad and turned the river red with blood and black with ink, as they said.
		They were some of the best scholars in the world.
		It was like some of the best mathematics, some of the best writing had come out of the Islamic world.
		And they had been conquered and destroyed.
		And so much of that was lost.
		And the ebb and flow of these cultures, to us, seems like such a long time to go from 1200 to 2017.
		But in the course of humanity, it's a blip.
		It's a nothing.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they're right.
		Maybe gays should be thrown off buildings.
		They've scientifically proved it.
		Maybe a lot of these rape victims are bitches that should have stones thrown at them.
		Oh, wow.
		Just kidding, internet.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You can't kid, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		There's certain things you can't kid about, Gavin.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You know what I mean?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We're not allowed.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Thinking about the whole Catholics versus Protestant things goes back to the ultimate core of all arguments, which is nature versus nurture.
		And the Catholics say some people are better than others.
		Some people are special.
		The Protestants say, we're all the same.
		The guy up there on that pedestal isn't better.
		And I vacillate myself, like you, for example.
		Are you special?
		Are you magic?
		Are you blessed?
		Like, you're on that show.
		Your career has been so weird.
		It seems like every time you get thrown out of a plane, we come back a few days later and you got a coconut stand and you're wearing a grass skirt and you're like, hi, come on in.
		These are where everyone sits for their coconut juice.
		And maybe you were kind of the Judaism seems to say that you're a chosen one, that there's some people who are picked by God, like that Da Vinci Code thing with Tom Hanks, where some people are just way better than others.
		Like I was having dinner with Sean Lennon, but you got to get him on the show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you were telling me.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		One of the most interesting guys I ever met in my life.
		But he was, he's a Mason.
		Him and Vincent Galloway are masons.
		And during one of his doohickeys, I hope he doesn't mind me telling this.
		But there are these like, it's a nasnatorato guys that are looking through like a wood thing.
		And they invited him to the heavy shit one that's like made of gold and is through a book where you go upside down and you have to swim there and you come out of the thing and you wear a cloak and you hold like a diamond sword or something.
		I'm just making that up, right?
		Some super fancy one.
		And he's like, I didn't do it because that's not me.
		I don't feel like doing that.
		I'm not going to go to the fancy one.
		I want to be with my boys.
		And I was thinking later, yeah, but maybe you are that Julianzarada Da Vinci code, guys.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's my take on it.
		I think there's definitely nature and there's definitely nurture.
		I think both are factors.
		And to go nature versus nurture to me seems simple.
		It seems too simplistic.
		It seems too silly.
		Because it seems to me like you're trying to pick a side where clearly both have massive amounts of energy.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, it comes down to percentages.
		And I think they've discovered the frontal lobe where everything matters is 80 nature, 20 nurture.
		And we see this with identical twins separated at birth.
		One grew up rich in Paris, the other was poor in Detroit.
		Similar dogs.
		Husbands look the same, same car.
		One does film critiques.
		The other makes movies.
		She's a line producer.
		They are basically the same person.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's definitely gifts, right?
		Some people are intellectually gifted.
		We know people that are just really fucking smart.
		They're just born really fucking smart.
		They're smarter than me.
		I talk to them.
		I go, Jesus.
		And then there's other people that are athletically gifted, like Michael Jordan.
		Like, you can't, like, there's not a chance in hell.
		Like, take Jonah Hill.
		Jonah Hill could work every day, all day for the rest of his fucking life.
		He's never going to play basketball like Michael Jordan.
		It is impossible.
		If Michael Jordan never worked out, ever, like, never, like, literally just kind of did normal stuff like everybody else does, like went to the gym, took a spin class, he could probably jump way fucking higher than Jonah Hill.
		He could probably run way faster than Jonah Hill.
		And he'd probably be better at anything he applied himself to athletically because he's got a gift.
		He's clearly genetically gifted.
		You know, I think the same could be said of Carl Malone.
		Same could be said of Mike Tyson.
		The same could be said of a bunch of great athletes.
		The same could be said of Brock Lesnar.
		No matter what you do, you can lift weights all your fucking life.
		You're never going to be as strong as that guy who's the mountain.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		True.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Thorne was his name, True.
		Thorne Bjorsen or whatever the fuck his name is.
		That gigantic mountain guy from Game of Thrones.
		Like, that's a gift, man.
		That guy's gifted.
		100%.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And I'm glad you use sports as an analogy because the general understanding is there's this sort of line and it's a gray area and there's a guy who can throw a softball, a fastball at 10 miles an hour, 20 miles an hour, and it goes up to 100 and then there's a guy who can do 99, 98.
		But I don't think it works like that with baseball.
		I think there's like the 40 miles an hour people and then there's this floating bubble of the 100 mile an hour pitchers.
		And these guys are magic.
		They're very special.
		They're the Da Vinci code children of Jesus.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, in fighting, in striking in particular, there is, well, it exists in grappling as well.
		There's strength in grappling.
		Some people have just freak strength.
		But I believe that that could be nurtured more than striking strength.
		When people are good hitters, strikers, like guys who are power punchers and power kickers, there's only so much you can teach someone.
		You can teach someone proper technique, but power is something that's just given to you by the Great Beyond.
		And no one understands it and no one knows why.
		You could take two guys.
		One of them looks exactly like the other one.
		They're built the same.
		They both have big muscles.
		They both have big hands.
		And one of them can punch a hole through the fucking universe.
		And the other one can barely make the bag move.
		It doesn't make any sense.
		And no one knows why.
		You could take someone and their body looks completely unimpressive.
		But when they hit people, people just go flat.
		And no one knows why.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, why don't we transfer that hard truth to intellect?
		Yes.
		There's this myth that we all need to be educated.
		We all have to go to college.
		When my dad was young in Britain, you did your O-levels at 13.
		And my dad had a high IQ.
		His brothers didn't.
		So they sifted through just like a Pink Floyd video and they sifted him over to a scholarship in private school and they sifted his brothers over to work in a printing press.
		And they all did fine.
		They had good jobs and they were taking advantage of their skills.
		And then we came up with this idea where everyone had to go to college.
		And now to lower the bar so everyone can get in, we have all these retarded classes.
		There's a class at NYU called 20-something, where it's just about being 20-something.
		Done.
		Everyone there is 20-something.
		And you go, now you just wasted your time by not admitting that some people are special.
		And that's what I was getting at earlier with the Western culture thing.
		Some cultures are better.
		Some are more advanced.
		There might be a satellite of people that are just magical.
		Like Jimmy Kimmel, he kept having his career shat on when he was in sports radio.
		He had this woman above him who was out to sabotage him.
		He got sent down the shitter.
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I never heard that story.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What was that about?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Ask him about it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Some horrible cunt that tortured him every day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like your producer or something?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's so talented, though.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I'm saying.
		Like, Michael Jordan, you throw him in Africa, and there'd be like, you have to meet this man who is in the Congo.
		He can jump a million miles in the air.
		His name is Juju Jordan.
		And he has like a leather basketball.
		And I don't know what it is.
		I am so good at this.
		He would be flown over like Jeremy Lynn or whatever.
		And I think Jimmy Kimmel and you are the same.
		They just, they get fucked over.
		I've done it a million times.
		I've thrown my career down the toilet, and then I just keep flying through the sewers and pop, I come out of another manhole.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've figured out a way now, particularly with your show, to let your personality shine through.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like to like your unique way of looking at things, very thorough examination of the world around you and an honest take on it that also happens to be humorous.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But I did that with advertising.
		I got involved in advertising.
		I hated advertising.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's stunning.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Built up an agency, sold it for millions.
		Then we got fired because I said shitty stuff about trannies.
		I pointed out their mentally ill-gazed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, what you pointed out was that there's a lot of regret.
		And that was where people were getting really uncomfortable.
		And there is a website.
		I think it's called transgenderregret.com.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you cannot tell me that any sort of major surgery doesn't carry some sort of regret.
		When I was in my 20s, I had hair transplants.
		I have a big scar on the back of my head.
		You see that thing?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's because they take a piece of meat out of the back of your head with hair on it.
		Because my hair was falling out and I was on TV and I was like, fuck, if my looks go, I'm going to be poor again.
		I'm fucked.
		I'm losing my skin.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		News radio?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		And so while we were on hiatus, I had hair transplants.
		They take a piece of meat back here, take the hair, and they move it all up in here.
		And the way I, you know, it doesn't work because eventually the other hair falls out and it's just left with this mess.
		But yeah, I regretted it.
		It was a stupid thing to do.
		And people make irrational choices that can become permanent.
		And if you don't think that some people who decide that they would be happier as a woman and then become a woman and then are miserable because, first of all, their hormonal profile has changed, they don't have a penis anymore, they don't have their testicles anymore, they wish they could go back to where they were, you don't think that that's possible?
		That those people who have major surgery could also possibly have major regret?
		That is dishonest.
		It's disingenuous.
		And you're adhering to an ideology rather than looking at something in a completely objective And open and honest way.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You're using these people as pawns for your own virtue signaling, and it's murder.
		It's like when you see toddlers, like at that Women's March, they had these toddlers thing with my pussy grabs back, and you're looking at a three-year-old and you're going, Jesus Christ, that's child abuse.
		And I feel like these liberals are doing tranny abuse by normalizing such a drastic decision.
		And it inevitably, I know this guy you're talking about, he writes for the Federalist all the time.
		And he goes, what happens with these people is they have all these problems.
		Clearly, you're nuts if you think you're a woman.
		But they also have bipolar and they're schizophrenic and manic depression and all these other things.
		They go, if I could just get rid of my cock and be a woman, it would be fine.
		Then they do that.
		And for a month, they're happy.
		And then they realize, wait, the bipolar is still here.
		I'm still depressed.
		What the fuck have I done?
		Holy shit, this isn't the cure-all solution.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not only that, there's also this, there's a real problem in that you're not allowed to bring that up.
		Like we know, when you look at the average person, whether they're gay or straight, the average people, men and women out there in the world, there's a certain amount that are going to be schizophrenic.
		There's a certain amount that are going to have all sorts of mental illnesses, depression, etc.
		There's a certain amount.
		When you start talking about transgender people, you are no longer allowed to take that into consideration.
		And you must treat every transgender person as if they are 100% mentally healthy, which is insanely rare in regular people.
		People that are not transgender.
		Cisgendered, if you were.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You use that term.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Cisgender.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's what I said in that article that got me in shit.
		I go, let's cut the shit here, okay?
		You're looking at what's his name in Transparent, Jeremy, whatever his name is, the actor.
		Sorry.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And who is that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What is his name?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Jeffrey Tambour.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jeffrey Tambor, yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And you're supposed to look at him and go, yeah, that's an interesting struggle you're going through.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's Mrs. Doubtfire.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I can't not laugh when I look at you.
		It's comical.
		And everyone just has this willful ignorance.
		Like, I saw Laverne Cox on some dumb day-to-day show type thing at the hotel earlier.
unidentified		And he's sitting there with his legs crossed going, yes, I met Beyonce, and I was so nervous.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I didn't even suck my stomach in.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And you're like, are we all pretending that you're not a dude?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who is Laverne Cox?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He was on that show, Orange is a New Black.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've never watched that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No, me neither.
		But he's a fan.
		There's Janet Mock, there's Laverne Cox.
		They're all the top ones.
		Caitlin Jenner.
		And whenever you see them, you go, you're a dude.
		But sure, I'll sit here and clap and go, yes, you're gorgeous.
		Oh, my God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That is a problem.
		That's a guy?
		Wow, that's a huge guy.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Is that a giant?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And not a guy anymore.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How long has she been a girl?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		You never get the straight answer from these people.
		At least half of them pussy out of chopping their dick off.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, Caitlin did, right?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Caitlin didn't.
		I mean, did pussy out of it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Didn't get it done.
		There you go.
		You go, girl.
		Let's do it.
		If there comes a time where through CRISPR or some other newfangled genetic manipulation, you can turn a man into a woman and then back and forth.
		And you really can be gender fluid.
		Like there's an Instagram page about gender fluidity.
		And one of the things, it's like, I'm not a man.
		Sometimes I'm a man.
		Sometimes I'm a woman.
		But I'm always a human.
		Like, okay.
		Okay.
		You know, like, by the way, I don't care.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That's the other thing about, I'm not a homophobe.
		I'm a homo bored.
		I don't care who you fuck.
		Like when you make out in front of my building, have a nice French session.
		I don't fucking give a shit.
		Shit with Michelle.
		And you see that?
		I see that sometimes with black and white couples.
		Like in New York, they'll be walking in the train holding hands and looking indignant.
		You know, hi, we're in love.
		Got a problem with that?
		Oh, congratulations.
		You're fucking someone you're attracted to.
unidentified		Ooh, way to go out there and blow minds.
unidentified		You poor thing.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You're sucking your boyfriend's dick.
		I'm stunned.
		And I think that's why they get so mad, too, is I go, you're not a snowflake.
		You're not transgendered.
		You're just a fucking dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, when time moves on, and once we really do eliminate all the things that trouble us when it comes down to homophobia or racism, all these issues that really still do exist, you're going to be left with the actual human beings themselves.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So when no one is transphobic, when no one's homophobic and no one's racist, they can judge you for who you are.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		We're there.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But we're not in a lot of ways because people get free passes if they are transgender, if they're gay.
		Like a guy like Caitlin Jenner saying that he doesn't support gay marriage.
		Like you get a fucking free pass.
		Like you're getting a free pass.
		But here's the best free pass that Caitlin Jenner got.
		She fucking killed a person.
		She slammed her car into some lady because she wasn't paying attention, slammed her fucking escalade and pushed her into oncoming traffic and the lady died and no one brings it up.
		That's the freest free pass of all.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Took a life by completely being negligent.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And that's the problem with this bigotry of low expectations.
		You put these people on a pedestal until they can do no wrong and they end up doing wrong.
		I mean, that happened with Milo too.
		He had a get out of jail free card.
		He could say whatever he wants.
		And the next thing you know, he goes too far in the devil's advocacy with 13-year-old sexual relationships.
		And you go, come on, guys, let's just dial it in a bit here.
		We're all the same.
		Racism is over.
		Homophobia is over.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let's not say it's over.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Sexism is over.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's over.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Racism is over.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's over.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think there's plenty of racist people.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Here's the deal with racism, okay?
		I'm hiring.
		Okay, I'm checking out your resume here.
		Oh, you're an accountant.
		Oh, you want to make 80 grand a year?
		You saved your previous company $150,000 a year.
		Well, that's a great profit for me.
		I'm going to make $70,000 a year just hiring you.
		I'm going to look like a champ.
		My job will be more secure.
		the company will make more money.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I didn't know you were black.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to leave.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		We're a Negro free zone here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But you're only talking about hiring.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're at a bar.
		You're sitting there and you're like, I got my BLT.
		You didn't toast the bread.
		It's like socks.
		You just put a sock on a tomato and some, and now when I touch it, it forms in the shape of my finger.
		It's like a temperpedic mattress.
		You can't fucking toast bread.
		And then some black guy's like, I fucking hate when they do that.
		Who has a sandwich that's not toasted?
		And by the way, the Giants suck this year.
		And you feel the same way about toast, the same way about the Giants, and you go, oh, yeah, I'm going to deny myself this interesting conversation because you're a Negro.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're being rational, though.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, you're talking about rationality.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		People are rational.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		People are selfish.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Companies are selfish.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They don't deny themselves money.
		They don't deny things that are going to make them money.
		And people are selfish.
		They don't deny themselves cool, interesting friends.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think there's plenty of people today amongst us that are very racist.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		What is racist?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Racist is prejudging someone based on the color of their skin or their ethnic origin.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So the guy likes all the stuff you like, but you refuse to see him as an exception to the one that you're going to know who likes all these things you like because if you're looking at it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He's sitting at the bar.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's that one guy in your scenario.
		Yeah.
		Well, you know, you're painting some very simplistic scenarios that deal with a really complex issue.
		People prejudging people and people not liking people or people identifying with other people that look like them, like you and me being two white guys.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the racist you're describing doesn't like black people.
		I'm bringing up a scenario where if he sees a black person, say there is a racism, it's like this thin veneer, oily slick in the bathtub when you have brill cream and you take a bath.
		All you got to do to go through it is just go, boop.
		So the second that black guy says, I hate the Giants this year, that guy's racism just goes, boop.
		I mean, I have so much more prejudice for people who wear flip-flops, for men who have those utility backpacks when they wear a suit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What about man buns?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Stay-at-home dads.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Man buns, I don't think I could be yours.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Utility backpacks when they wear a suit.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You know when they have someone who has a suit on, but their backpack is all mountain climbery with ergonomic things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That bothers you?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It drives me nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why does that bother you?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You should have a briefcase if you have a suit.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Are you mountain climbing to do your tax audit?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, what is that?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they want to have their laptop and all their books, and they want to carry it, and it's easy to carry things in your bag.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So find a canvas backpack if you must.
		But what's the matter with carrying?
		And I don't even like when people have rolling luggage.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't like rolling luggage?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No, you can't carry 20 pounds, you pussy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Rolling luggage is easy to roll.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so is wearing your PJs on the plane.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's disgusting to do, but this is...
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's great because you have a t-shirt on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		So your backpack is actually more formal than your clothing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
		I'm not measuring it.
		I'm matching up correctly.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You're matching up just fine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But if young Jamie with his IT tech slash comedians outfit, if he was wearing that and he had maybe like a certain type of backpack, what would he be allowed?
		What's he got?
		Oh, that seems perfect.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		My problem with you, Jamie, is you shouldn't have anything on your t-shirt after 30.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But that's the fighter and the kid.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, promoting my friends.
jamie vernon ▲ ● ▼		That's all I'm going to do.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's fine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing my friends.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is my friends.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is my friend John Dudley's podcast.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're doing an ad.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But people like the Ramones on your shirt when you're 40 or no one cares what bands you like at that age.
unidentified		Wow.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, my general point is we all have our little quirks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your general point is you're very specific in what you allow people to do and not do.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I saw that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're very rigid.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I saw a guy, we were on Jamaica on vacation and it was an all-you-can-eat thing.
		And he had his plate and he just, it must have been Irish.
		He piled on three huge spoonfuls of mashed potatoes.
		It took up most of his plate.
		And I'm looking at him going, we're in fucking Jamaica.
		There's jerk chicken, all this fancy shit.
		And you're using up your whole meal on mashed potatoes, you fucking mick.
		And I hated him for the rest of the trip.
		I think I needed someone to hate on the trip.
		So I would see him and he'd just be like eating an ice cream cone.
		I'd just go, fuck you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you recognize that's your own personal issue?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's a Scottish thing.
		Same as booze.
		We were at war for 800 years with the English.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you're constantly looking to brawl.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The ones who don't like confrontation are extinct.
		So Dr. Drew says this.
		He goes, the reason that Scots are drunks is they like conflict, so they'll put a war in their body.
		So they're going, oh, walking is hard.
		I'm giving myself a handicap.
		So we like struggle.
		We like pain.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's fascinating.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Even in fucking, I'm never totally enjoying it.
		I'm always like, I got to last longer.
		Think of Kevin Spacey.
unidentified		Do the alphabet backwards.
unidentified		Kevin Spacey?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you think of?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When do you think of Kevin Spacey?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, dude.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think of Kaiser Space?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You're going to call me tomorrow and go, thank you so much.
		My wife can't walk today.
		You imagine Kevin Spacey's head floating over the bed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Not like dismembered and bleeding, just like his face, doing nothing, just staring at you.
		Just staring at you.
		And it brings you two and a half minutes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you imagine him as Kaiser Sose or as Frank Underwood?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I don't have strong feelings about him.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Like I've never seen that House of Lies show or House of Cards.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Good show.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Sounds good.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Very good show.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm into season three right now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, just started it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I thought you were in it in it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Into it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I talked to a guy who was gay, and he goes, I'm with Kevin Spacey.
		And I go, can you tell him that I use him and all my friends do?
		And he's like, no, I'm not saying that.
		That's really mean.
		And it never occurred to me that, yeah, you don't want to be known as the guy who can make you not come.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, nobody wants that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But anyway, even fucking, I'm stressed out.
		Even when Trump won, we had a big party.
		We were all wearing Hawaiian shirts.
		And when I saw Donald Trump president on the big screen in the bar, everyone started cheering.
		My buddy Alan was just pouring beer in his head.
		And I went, yeah, because I didn't want to bomb other guys out.
		But my brain hadn't processed it yet, and I couldn't thoroughly enjoy it.
		And then everyone picked me up and they were carrying me around the bar.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any problems with him being the president?
		Because you seem pretty aware and pretty rational other than the way you make people dress and wear backpacks.
		But do you have any problems with him being president?
		Is there anything that disturbs you about it?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm totally open.
		Like, if he starts fucking with the First Amendment, I'm going to drag him out of there by his heels.
		I'm not excited about this son-in-law getting a job.
		That sounds like nepotism to me.
		What a coincidence.
		Your son-in-law is the most qualified person for the job.
		There's times when the tweets can be petty.
		I don't know why we're talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger's ratings.
		And no, I'm not excited about the travel budget, although he is doing a lot of shit.
		But as far as what we've come out with and the amount of fucking left-wing backpadding that we've been going through for the past eight years, I'm fucking ecstatic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's the backpadding that you're talking about?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we're so wonderful and Obama is so great.
		And, you know, you come to L.A. and you realize that everyone in this fucking city thinks Obama did an awesome job.
		And they also think that Bill Maher is Christopher Hitchens.
		Like, he's an intellectual demigod in this town.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Bill Maher's?
unidentified		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Every time I talk to someone, they go, oh, you should talk to Bill.
		I'd love to see you in a room with Bill Maher.
		I'm like, that's your intellectual heavyweight?
		That's your main guy?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think he would probably agree with you on a lot of things, which would really be confusing to them because he agreed with Milo on a lot of things.
		And A lot of people are mad at him because of that.
		And, you know, he said that Milo reminded him of a young Christopher Hitchens, except, you know, gay and foppish.
		And he said a bunch of other things about him.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But he's like, you know, you just got to abandon some of what you're doing because some of what he's doing is fighting the good fight against irrational feminism that denies the biological differences between men and women and lies about the gender wage gap and all these different things that he does accurately point out, which people parrot all the fucking time and drives me nuts.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've talked about it way too many times on the show, but that goddamn gender gap was in The Guardian yesterday.
unidentified		I know.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And when Obama said it, I go, do you know that you're full of shit?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You know that's not true.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You know you have researchers.
		Did you ask them?
		Or are you knowingly repeating this myth because it gets votes?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Most people don't know it.
		Smart people that I know who have not looked into it or haven't had debates about it with other people don't understand what the gender pay gap really is.
		That it's simply a matter of working less hours and choosing different jobs.
		It's not two people, one man, one a woman, working side by side doing the same job where the woman makes significantly less.
		And that's what we're being led to believe.
		And that is a real sticking point with feminism.
		They're being dishonest in their portrayal of the issues of the workplace.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you end up going.
		You guys are making me think women are dumb.
		So I don't, like that woman's march, I go, you guys are, I don't know what you're out to prove here, that your pussy has teeth.
		You're making women look dumb.
		Even the abortion thing, 50% of women are pro-life.
		So why are you making this a gender issue?
		It's an ethics thing.
		It's like euthanasia.
		But it has nothing to do with men or women.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are you okay with abortion up to a certain age?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So a week after conception when it's a bundle of cells the size of your fingernail?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No, do not kill that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		No heartbeat, just a viable cluster of little sitting there.
		You can suck it out with one of those tiny cocktail straws you don't really drink out of.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		But they don't, do they?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		They suck it out and they watch it splat against the plexiglass wall.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Swallow it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Drip down the side.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Turns out it's good for your skin.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Look, if we can get down to morning after pills and that kind of stuff, I would love the debate to go there.
		But right now, it's way too far down the line.
		And you know what?
		Speaking of Bill Maher, he doesn't have kids.
		Angela Merkel doesn't have kids.
		There's this lack of connection that these childless people have in our media and in our political system.
		And there's an anti-kid culture going on that is ethnomasochism combined with laziness.
		And it really is our death knell in many ways.
		Like when I'm in Williamsburg with my fucking stupid dog that I would happily kill right now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why would you kill your dog?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I feel nothing for this dog.
unidentified		No.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It's my daughter's dog.
		It's a little Javanese puppy.
		I don't fucking know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's a puppy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You would kill the puppy?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it, you know, if it bit one of the kids, I could take a meat cleaver to its head and I would be on the phone as I did it.
		It would be like preparing a chicken for dinner.
		I feel nothing.
		Oh, Jesus.
		And when I have that dog, all these spinsters are, oh, what's his name?
		Is it a boy or a girl?
		Who fucking cares?
		He's not going to wear a dress.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But when you're with your kids, who are toxic?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		My son, my youngest, my four-year-old is so cute.
		He's a freak.
		Like, he's the elephant man of cuteness.
		He looks away from people because they freak out.
		He's garish.
		He's so cute.
		But they see them with disdain.
		And I've noticed that not just in Hipster Williamsburg, but, you know, at Fox News, I would get that from people who didn't have kids.
		You're sitting at Fox News and you're looking around the table and you're like, we're sitting here talking about family values and the future of America.
		And I'm the only person in this entire panel with kids.
		And I can't help but think that Angela Merkel's suicidal policy of bring in the refugees and fuck the whole country up is somehow linked to her childlessness.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It may be, it's certainly linked to her desire to not come off as racist or homophobic, or excuse me, Islamophobic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's definitely linked to that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Your life is parties and dinner parties.
		You don't want things to be weird.
		But when you have skin in the game, you go, I don't fucking care if you hate me.
		I got to make sure that things are kosher for the boys.
		Like Dana Lash.
		She was a feminist raver with big fucking Jinko jeans in college and chain wallet.
		And then she saw what feminism was doing to young boys and making them ashamed of being men.
		And she had boys.
		She went, whoa, whoa, we created a monster here.
		And pivoted and became all about saying masculinity is A-O-K.
		Fuck these feminists.
		We were wrong.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's weird times, man.
		It's really weird times for people trying to define themselves now.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Just fucking breed.
		I was talking to some asshole at a bar last night, and he's repeating what he saw in an Oliver Stone movie.
		And I'm like, that movie's been debunked.
		Michael Malas.
		No, sorry.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Which movie?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Michael Moynihan.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The one about World War II and how Stalin was underappreciated and we have to understand that we shouldn't have gone into World War II and we shouldn't have fucked with the...
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What movie is that?
		Are you talking about the Untold History of the World?
		I'm watching that right now.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Read Michael Moynihan's takedown of it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		He's a takedown of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'll just say that.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Stone is an astounding anthropologist.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he made out Stalin to be a fucking monster in it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I thought he didn't do it up.
		I thought Stalin came out real nice.
		Really?
		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you watch the same thing I saw?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you watch it?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How long ago?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		When did it come out?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Four years ago?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Longer than that, I think.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		A long-ass time ago.
		But I was really interested in Moynihan's take.
		And Oliver Stone had to respond to Moynihan's take.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
		Well, I'll have to read those two.
		What is his name, Patrick Moynihan?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		No, Michael Moynihan.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who's Patrick Moynihan?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why do I know that name?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I forget.
		But I know that name, too.
		But I'm listening to this fuckface, this 34-year-old fuckface.
		He's with this, we've been with this woman for five years, and she's 29.
		And I just said to him, just stop repeating a documentary you saw last night and go fucking propose, you pussy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you not know him before this?
unidentified		No.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is...
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		My wife and I left the kids in Malibu, and we came to party and we got a hotel room, got laid.
		It was awesome.
		Nice being single again.
		I don't know how these childless people are not fucking 24 hours a day.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They probably are.
		But they don't want that to end.
		They don't want the fun part to end.
		They don't want to be racked up together and then contemplating divorce.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		If you're out there right now and you're in a relationship with a girl, you guys live together, I don't know why she's allowed to wear clothes in the house.
		The second she walks in the front door, nude.
		We'll draw the blinds.
		She should be nude at all times.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't you kind of want him to wear clothes so he can take the clothes off?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		If I didn't have kids, my wife would just be, there'd be a basket by the front door for clothes that she has to take off when she comes home.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You make her, huh?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Nude lady.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Rules.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		High heels.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm getting a burner just thinking about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Leather underwear?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I would wear leather pants and an oversized baseball hat.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		The peak comes out about a foot.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A flat brim?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I'd have a guitar player, plastic guitar, not plastic.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How about a ukulele?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I'd have a ukulele too, and clown shoes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Clown shoes.
		Yeah.
		Those need to come back.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you know what's a hot outfit for a man to wear in bed is a white t-shirt and black socks.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		And you're just like, I'm such an ugly pig man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Spaghetti stains on.
		I'm just like such a dad.
		Big gut hanging out of the bottom of the t-shirt.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a pig.
		It's like my buddy Dan goes, he goes, smelling a woman's ass is a poor man's Viagra because you're grossed out by how much you like it.
		And you're like, I'm a fucking pig.
unidentified		And then, boy, a poor man's shit.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		You're shocked by yourself.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're like, that's hilarious.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		I like this.
unidentified		Ew.
unidentified		What the fuck?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It smells like ass.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're sticking your nose in it while you're eating her out from behind.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Joey Diaz calls that doing the pigeon.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		We're piggish.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And on that note, should we wrap this up?
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let's wrap it up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Gavin, thank you, man.
		It's fun.
		Always fun talking to you.
		Yeah, appreciate it.
		And tell everybody where they can see your show and listen to it and watch it.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		My show is at compoundmedia.com.
		I also do a video series on the Rebel.media.
		And I have a regular written column, story coming out tomorrow about Milo at tachymag, T-A-K-I, tachymag.com.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And compound media is all Anthony Cumia stuff.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		He changed the name because of that stupid bitch.
		That's where he has a reputation.
		He's fucking damaged goods now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I didn't even know it was still going on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was over.
gavin mcinnes ▲ ● ▼		It is, but comedians are such pussies these days that they don't want to fuck up their future, you know, Kevin Kinwait show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And on that note, we'll be back tomorrow with former UFC Bantamweight champion Dominic Cruz.
		See ya.
		Bye.
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