Jan. 30, 2017 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Everybody be really careful we don't talk over each other because, you know, it's hard not to. | ||
| There's six of us here. | ||
| Yeah, Brian. | ||
| Alright. | ||
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You're live. | |
| Yeah, Brian. | ||
| Okay, we're live, you fucking freaks. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, this is an unprecedented podcast. | ||
| This is the first time we've ever done an after-the-fact podcast. | ||
| Brendan Schaub and I know all the goddamn results. | ||
| I know everybody else. | ||
| Brian knows one result. | ||
| Eddie knows none. | ||
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Robin... | |
| I know a mom. | ||
| He knows a mom. | ||
| I'm the only one? | ||
| Yeah, they're the only one. | ||
| So it's beautiful. | ||
| So no one's going to cheat. | ||
| We're not going to... | ||
| Make picks. | ||
| But we decided... | ||
| We've got a bunch of people here. | ||
| Jimmy Burke's here. | ||
| Our friend Jimmy Burke from New York was in town for Brian's birthday party last night. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Eddie Bravo's here, of course. | ||
| Brian Callen's here. | ||
| Brennan Shaw. | ||
| Robin Black's in town. | ||
| So Robin Black's here. | ||
| So it's going to be a lot of talking over each other, folks. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Just deal with that. | ||
| Just deal with that. | ||
| We're going to watch the fights and... | ||
| And also, if you're expecting any of us to constantly watch the fights only, that's not going to happen either. | ||
| So there's no rules, okay? | ||
| Whatever expectations you have, release those, or whatever. | ||
| Release them. | ||
| Release them. | ||
| Alright, right now, we're playing it, we're going to start it, and we recorded it, so this is the first time we've got a recording, and we're going to watch the fights. | ||
| I'm going to fast forward to the... | ||
| When should I fast forward? | ||
| I should fast forward to the first fight, right? | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Just enjoy it. | ||
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Just let it run. | |
| You guys already seen it anyways. | ||
| Let's watch the commercials, all that shit. | ||
| Oh, I'm excited about this one. | ||
| But the problem is we can't really play it out loud where we can hear it on the podcast. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But that's what I'm saying. | ||
| So we might as well just fast forward through all this nonsense. | ||
| Just to the fights. | ||
| Yeah, you don't want to watch all this pregame bullshit. | ||
| It's kind of like porn. | ||
| So there's some good fights in this fucking card. | ||
| There's good fights in actuality and good fights on fit. | ||
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Yes! | |
| Masvidal and Cowboy. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Damn, and he really doesn't know the result. | ||
| I love this. | ||
| I love the just... | ||
| Man. | ||
| I had to watch that fight. | ||
| I just had to. | ||
| I've been out of the loop. | ||
| I want to hear... | ||
| I can't wait for your breakdown, Robin Black. | ||
| So, here we go. | ||
| We're fast-forwarding through John Anik and his super-metrosexual tie selection. | ||
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I love it! | |
| I love that tie! | ||
| The both of the Moroccan purple ties. | ||
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I love them. | |
| Maybe it's an homage to Prince. | ||
| So, we'll fast-forward through this. | ||
| It's breast cancer month. | ||
| Yeah, why not, man? | ||
| So, the first fight is Alex Caceres versus... | ||
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What's homeboy's name that he fights? | |
| Oh, he fights a dude from Alan Belcher's camp. | ||
| He's a wild man. | ||
| The Red Knight. | ||
| Jason Knight. | ||
| Jason Knight, that's right. | ||
| He's fucking good. | ||
| Yeah, he's very good, and he's crazy. | ||
| And he's got a really good guard, too. | ||
| He talks mad shit inside the octagon, too. | ||
| He had this fight, and he was screaming at this dude, going, come on, man, take me down. | ||
| No, you want to take me down? | ||
| You want to stand with me, bitch? | ||
| Yeah, he said, you know you want to take me down, bitch? | ||
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Do it! | |
| Do it! | ||
| I was like, damn! | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| Hilarious. | ||
| That came out on the broadcast? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, I was laughing while it was happening because I was doing the commentary while I was going down. | ||
| Not during this broadcast. | ||
| It was another broadcast. | ||
| This fight is with him and Alex Caceres. | ||
| So this is a... | ||
| Like a kind of a sleeper of a fight. | ||
| Yeah, cool fight. | ||
| Alright, here we go. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Alright, so for the folks at home, what we'll do is when the first fight starts, right now they're showing the side-by-side comparisons, the heights and weights in jazz, Tale of the Tape, and now Bruce Buffer's doing a little introduction here. | ||
| Why do they call it the Tale of the Tape? | ||
| It's been that for 50 years. | ||
| But somebody invented that. | ||
| That was new ones. | ||
| Well, you know what's weird, man? | ||
| How come they stopped measuring legs? | ||
| They measured legs for a little while and then they stopped measuring legs. | ||
| They were doing it. | ||
| The tape was measuring tape. | ||
| In boxing they measured legs? | ||
| No, in MMA, we were always complaining. | ||
| With Jon Jones, you're not fighting his arms. | ||
| You're fighting his arms and his fucking legs. | ||
| And he's so tall. | ||
| A lot of guys. | ||
| A lot of guys. | ||
| It was Joe Silva who asked for a leg reach, I think. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Joe asked for a lot of shit. | ||
| He's the reason why Mickey Gall's, Hey Mickey, you're so fine, you're so fine, you'll blow my mind. | ||
| That's how it got on the broadcast, because Dana White was like, fuck that, you can't play that song for Mickey Gall when he fought CM Punk. | ||
| You know Dana's so particular, he goes through all the walkout songs before because he loves music. | ||
| He shot one of my walkout songs down, The Night Before the Fight. | ||
| What was the song? | ||
| It was, I forget, in Brazil. | ||
| It was some cool song. | ||
| I thought it was cool. | ||
| It was like a dance song. | ||
| And I get a call. | ||
| My coach is like, hey, it's Dana White. | ||
| I'm like, oh shit, what's going on? | ||
| Am I getting a bonus early or something? | ||
| Because I thought I was going to knock Noguera out. | ||
| I'm like, just give it to me now. | ||
| And he's like, hey, that walkout sound's not happening. | ||
| Pick something else. | ||
| I was like, yes sir. | ||
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What did you pick? | |
| Eminem Square Dance. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Alright, Alex Caceres and Jason Knight, 457, 456, 455, 454, 453. Alright, sync it up. | ||
| Caceres just shoveled the left hand right away. | ||
| Oh, good inside leg kick by Caceres. | ||
| Caceres is super underrated. | ||
| You gotta remember what Yair Rodriguez did to BJ Penn, and then think of him and Caceres. | ||
| They essentially fought to basically what might have been a draw. | ||
| That's a style matchup, though, don't you think? | ||
| For me, with Bruce Leroy, I like him. | ||
| He's fun to watch. | ||
| He's so hot and cold. | ||
| He's on, he's off. | ||
| He's on, he's off. | ||
| Greg Jackson used Leroy for most of the sparring rounds for BJ. No kidding. | ||
| Yeah, he was his main sparring guy, and he was doing great with him. | ||
| I actually thought BJ did very well in the first two minutes. | ||
| The difference between what Yair does and Alex does is Alex's strikes, they come in high volume, interesting angles, he's very creative, but they're not instantaneously lethal. | ||
| Yair can fuck you up with one shot and put you on queer street. | ||
| Kicker in MMA history. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You gotta see him against a world-class Muay Thai guy. | ||
| That's what you gotta see. | ||
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I see him in the UFC. That's what I'm seeing. | |
| Every now and then someone lands a Kung Fu kick. | ||
| Every now and then someone lands one of those Kung Fu kicks. | ||
| Every now and then. | ||
| He lands multiple every fight. | ||
| Who does that? | ||
| Those are Jet Li kicks that he is landing. | ||
| Nobody else is landing Jet Li kicks. | ||
| Who's doing that? | ||
| BJ Penn always fights from a boxing distance. | ||
| In a lot of ways, his style is tailor-made. | ||
| He's an older guy. | ||
| He hasn't fought in two plus years. | ||
| Before that, he got worked by Frankie Edgar. | ||
| So you're talking about a BJ Penn that's been seriously out of the loop for a long time. | ||
| And then he steps in there against this fucking bandolero. | ||
| This dude throwing 360 round kicks. | ||
| I mean his style like it was almost like everything was tailor-suited for Yair Rodriguez. | ||
| You know what I'm recommending for my fighters? | ||
| I'm recommending them talking. | ||
| I told a couple of them that they should start just doing a local Sunday Taekwondo class. | ||
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That's a good idea. | |
| Just like once a week just to get the spins down. | ||
| We know it works. | ||
| We know it's effective. | ||
| Look, Yair's proven it. | ||
| Every MMA fighter out there should be emulating Yair, right? | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| I think the days of coming out, and of course, I don't know anything about striking, but the days of coming out and just boxing and throwing a leg kick every now and then, I think that's not going to work in the future. | ||
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It's not going to work against a guy like John Jones, Conor McGregor. | |
| You see these guys throwing all those Taekwondo Kung Fu kicks successfully. | ||
| If you're an MMA fighter up there, you coming up, I think you should start taking Taekwondo now. | ||
| I think you got a good point, but I think if you watch Glory, there's a good fight that I talked about recently because I got Joseph Valtellini on. | ||
| He used to be Glory. | ||
| Yeah, George Wicked. | ||
| He's wicked. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| Wicked kickboxing champion. | ||
| Really good guy, too. | ||
| But anyway, he fought Raymond Daniels. | ||
| He's one of the best at throwing those wild, crazy fucking kicks. | ||
| Oh, Leroy's looking good, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, what Raymond Daniels did inside the octagon, or inside the Glory ring, he threw a flying sidekick, touched the dude, and then spinning back kicked him in the air in the face. | ||
| Oh, so they There's guys like that in glory. | ||
| Raymond Daniels is a wild motherfucker. | ||
| Like the Matrix. | ||
| So you would see him doing the same kind of stuff that Yair Rodriguez does. | ||
| You would say, oh my god, if this guy gets in the UFC, he's going to fuck everybody up. | ||
| But Joseph Valtellini just chopped him down. | ||
| Fundamentals. | ||
| Pressure, too. | ||
| Pressure, really strong physical guy, high guard, super tight defense, and just kept kicking the fuck out of his legs. | ||
| You've got to do both, though. | ||
| Western boxing, Muay Thai, Taekwondo mixture. | ||
| No, I totally agree with you. | ||
| What I'm saying is we need to see a Yair against a guy like a Niki Holtzkin or a guy like a Joseph Valtellini. | ||
| They have that super powerful, low-kick fundamental game. | ||
| We don't have a lot of guys that are that strong at that inside the octagon. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sorry. | ||
| Joe would mutilate him. | ||
| Joe Valtellini would just rip him. | ||
| Now, MMA is a different thing, but if they kickbox, Joe would just destroy him. | ||
| Well, Joe's way larger than him, so it's not a good matchup, period. | ||
| Technique-wise, though, in fundamentals. | ||
| Valtellini's just on another level when it comes to his kickbox, his leg kicks. | ||
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Are you serious? | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| We're only talking kickboxing. | ||
| We're only talking kickboxing. | ||
| I think I'm talking, yeah, I get what you're saying. | ||
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But he's landing it, so when I... But against BJ. Against BJ. Yes. | |
| But in MMA, with the threat of being taken down. | ||
| There's a threat of being taken down. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You could do wild shit in kickboxing because there's no threat of getting choked out. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But those guys are way better, too. | ||
| They're way better at leg kicks. | ||
| Way higher level. | ||
| But in a real fight, though. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| He's doing it in a real fight. | ||
| So he's better. | ||
| He's better. | ||
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Beautiful. | |
| Jason Knight taking it back. | ||
| Oh, look at this. | ||
| 13 seconds, though. | ||
| You got time. | ||
| Not enough time. | ||
| Oh. | ||
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What? | |
| Oh, he's in deep. | ||
| He's got enough time. | ||
| He's pushing up on the chin. | ||
| He's on the chin. | ||
| He should dance Severnum right there. | ||
| Someone threw a card in the octagon, man. | ||
| Someone threw a business card in the octagon. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Eddie, I think the reason you're seeing these kicks work is because guys weren't training them. | ||
| If everybody's training the same shit, you're supposed to do something different. | ||
| Everybody in the gym, they're training jab, cross, low kick, low kick, left hook. | ||
| They're doing all the same stuff. | ||
| If we all train the same stuff and our training partners train all the same stuff, we're not prepared for different stuff. | ||
| The thing about Yair, though, is Yair could do the other shit, too. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Except for wrestling. | ||
| He's very good scrambling. | ||
| I think he's a purple belt or a brown belt. | ||
| Yeah, I think he's a purple belt. | ||
| I think he's purple. | ||
| Wrestling would be the big thing. | ||
| Wrestling would be an issue, but what I'm saying is his Muay Thai's good, too. | ||
| He's got real strong leg kick fundamentals. | ||
| He throws good elbows. | ||
| He throws wild shit. | ||
| Now, in that BJ Penn fight, if they got an instant rematch in another dimension... | ||
| Hopefully not, but yeah. | ||
| What would BJ do? | ||
| Pulling guard might be part of the strategy. | ||
| For BJ? Yes. | ||
| Because we already saw shit. | ||
| We took a glimpse. | ||
| You couldn't take him down with straight wrestling. | ||
| Always try. | ||
| First option should be try to take him down with straight wrestling, pass his guard, get on top, mount, take his back. | ||
| But if you can't take the guy down and he's beating you up standing, What else you gonna do? | ||
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BJ, BJ, there's an art to pulling guard. | |
| BJ got chest to chest on him though. | ||
| There's an art to pulling guard. | ||
| It's just like a takedown. | ||
| You don't just sit on your butt. | ||
| You gotta shoot deep enough to make him sprawl. | ||
| Watch Paul Sass. | ||
| He shoots, they sprawl. | ||
| And then boom, now you got something. | ||
| But what you're describing is different again. | ||
| It's not the norm of what everybody's training and that's why it's a great idea. | ||
| I call it the third option. | ||
| In that case, pulling guard, especially BJ's a world champion black belt. | ||
| He should have a guard. | ||
| It's crazy that people don't pull guard. | ||
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You know what's crazy though? | |
| BJ never taps anybody off his back. | ||
| BJ would always sweep guys. | ||
| He would always mount them, take the back, arm triangle. | ||
| Pull guard, sweep them out. | ||
| No, I'm just saying, it's just interesting that he never tapped anybody off his back. | ||
| Remember Noguera versus Tim Sylvia? | ||
| Noguera wanted to take him down. | ||
| Couldn't take him down. | ||
| Tim Silvio was fucking him up with that long jab. | ||
| What did Noguera do? | ||
| He shot for a weak ass single and then pulled guard. | ||
| Pulled half guard. | ||
| Yeah, pulled half guard. | ||
| Miguel Torres on Demetrius Johnson. | ||
| It was a trick. | ||
| He pulled and then he did a deep half sweep. | ||
| Got on top and guillotined him. | ||
| Miguel Torres did that over and over with Demetrius Johnson. | ||
| Yeah, people think pulling guard, I mean, it's like admitting you lost. | ||
| It's an ego thing. | ||
| It's like committing suicide. | ||
| But if it was committing suicide, for real, people think pulling guard, you're going to get killed pulling guard. | ||
| How come it's so hard to do? | ||
| How come when Vinny Magalas sits on his ass, his opponent goes, no, you stand up. | ||
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If it's suicide, he's letting you get on top. | |
| Awesome stuff. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Knights on top. | ||
| He broke that, the two underhooks. | ||
| Oh, his head's back again. | ||
| I like how they stick to that body lock, right? | ||
| Instead of getting the hooks in, he goes straight to the body lock. | ||
| That is such a painful... | ||
| That's it, that's it. | ||
| Oh, the fence fucked him. | ||
| Wow, that was D. The old fence fuck. | ||
| He couldn't arch and sink it in. | ||
| That's a bad place to be, huh? | ||
| I love that choice too. | ||
| Sub to punches to sub to punches to sub to punches. | ||
| Powerful wing tattoos. | ||
| Yeah, because it's a terrible position to be in with that fucking body triangle squeezing down your abdomen. | ||
| This guy's a specialist on the body triangle too. | ||
| And right here, in the old days, it would be over already. | ||
| When they allowed pointed elbows to the back of the head, dudes would tap at us. | ||
| We've talked about this so many times, but I really do want to study on what kind of damage happens when you elbow someone in the back of the head, and why is it illegal? | ||
| We'd have to look at the guys back in the battlecade. | ||
| Remember, John Lewis did it to somebody. | ||
| He landed like three. | ||
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Boom, boom, boom. | |
| You can lose your taste. | ||
| And Stikers, the judo guy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Remember that? | ||
| I remember thinking, man, that's going to kill the rear naked choke. | ||
| No one needs a rear naked choke. | ||
| You're just going to get someone's back. | ||
| Look at that wrist drive. | ||
| Elbows and it's open. | ||
| Heavy hips and elbows. | ||
| Yeah, you don't need a rear naked choke. | ||
| Can you do elbows? | ||
| Oh no, just open hand and you're in the submission. | ||
| To the side. | ||
| To the back of that? | ||
| To the side. | ||
| Not to the back of that. | ||
| Just, it's, Same target. | ||
| How are you going to stop someone from falling through with that elbow? | ||
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I know. | |
| Oh! | ||
| I know a guy. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| It's on the chin. | ||
| Guys are finishing on the chin these days. | ||
| You can't do it on the chin. | ||
| You can't do it with just a straight gable grip. | ||
| He's relentless. | ||
| Over the chin, you sink it in deep. | ||
| Great defense. | ||
| He is doing good. | ||
| He's in the worst case scenario and he's fighting and now he's got the... | ||
| Don't you think that the hair, when it comes to guillotines and things like that, it's going to offer you just a touch more friction. | ||
| And it's going to make it harder to get out of stuff. | ||
| Texture. | ||
| Or harder to get into. | ||
| Yes, that too, right? | ||
| His hair might get in the way of some chokes. | ||
| I bet it would. | ||
| It looks like he'd be part of Darce. | ||
| Right. | ||
| By the way, speaking of hitting in the back of the head, I know somebody who got hit in the back of the head and lost their taste buds. | ||
| He got hit once. | ||
| You could go deaf, too. | ||
| He could never taste again. | ||
| What did he get hit with? | ||
| With a punch in the back of the head. | ||
| And he could never taste again. | ||
| Hey Eddie, after... | ||
| So if someone says you have no taste. | ||
| When you put that body triangle in and they take the other leg and extend, you get the other foot underneath his leg. | ||
| You butterfly the other leg. | ||
| Whose foot? | ||
| In the scenario, I got the body lock here and this other foot extending... | ||
| Whose foot? | ||
| I'll show you right here. | ||
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Oh, there it is. | |
| Look over. | ||
| This foot, I've got the body triangle. | ||
| This foot here, I've got behind... | ||
| So this is people listening to this. | ||
| Try to explain it. | ||
| It's the body lock that you've seen right now. | ||
| Yeah, that one. | ||
| The white foot you see right there. | ||
| Why is he hooking that in there just to add... | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Control. | ||
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Did he tap? | |
| Oh, he just got him. | ||
| Yeah, he tapped. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| It's a matter of time. | ||
| That was too hard to keep on. | ||
| The leverage on that. | ||
| Yeah, just added control. | ||
| The leg that's not under the knee is with the extended leg. | ||
| So you've got the one leg that's controlling, and then that instep is locked under, say if you've got it on the right side. | ||
| The other one you use as a butterfly, and you control the leg. | ||
| And if you elevate his leg, it makes it way more difficult for him to do anything about it. | ||
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One more step. | |
| One more step he has to address. | ||
| Yeah, it's also very hard to... | ||
| It takes away his mobility, right, Joe? | ||
| Yeah, because you want to get... | ||
| If you've got a body triangle in, you want to have your opponent on his side, and you want the cinched part to be on top. | ||
| So he wants it on the other side, so that butterfly hook keeps your angle. | ||
| Like, we're going to keep you right here on the good side for me. | ||
| Keeps you where you want to be in conjunction. | ||
| Right there, you see that? | ||
| But he can't go over the other side. | ||
| He's doing the wrong side here, but he doesn't care. | ||
| He's dealing with it. | ||
| Because it puts a lot of pressure on your ankle. | ||
| It's not a good position. | ||
| I wonder if you could... | ||
| Eddie, can you loosen up your ankle so that that doesn't bother you? | ||
| Some people, it doesn't matter. | ||
| After you do it for a while, you stretch your... | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| You want the cinch to be on top. | ||
| But if it's on bottom, sometimes you can switch it. | ||
| But you're like, I'm just going to leave it there. | ||
| It doesn't really matter. | ||
| Did you say he trains out of Belcher's camp? | ||
| Yeah, I think he's Belcher's guy. | ||
| Is he Belcher's guy? | ||
| This is the thing that ballerinas do where they shove their foot into this big rubber strap and your foot normally wants to sit like this. | ||
| This big rubber strap will bend it down so that your foot is parallel with your shin bone. | ||
| It's amazing what the human body will react and respond to and adapt to. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| But if you could get that going on, then the fucking body triangle wouldn't bother you at all if somebody used that defense. | ||
| Why are we watching a Geico commercial? | ||
| Fuck all that. | ||
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So, powerful Jason Knight. | |
| Well, now the people at home aren't synced. | ||
| Yeah, we're going to tell them how to sync it up on the next one. | ||
| So we're fast forwarding Jason Knight. | ||
| Let's see what he has to say. | ||
| Because they can fast forward. | ||
| Yeah, he's not afraid to say some shit. | ||
| Jamie, we have... | ||
| He's going to call somebody out. | ||
| It's always frustrating when guys don't call someone out. | ||
| Whoever they want to give me. | ||
| Powerful Brian Stanley. | ||
| Oh, don't surrender it! | ||
| Oh, Brian stayed with it. | ||
| He's Tim T-Bone. | ||
| His dad just passed. | ||
| Oh, he did? | ||
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Okay. | |
| Heavy accent. | ||
| Mississippi. | ||
| Oh, his dad just died? | ||
| Last year, though. | ||
| Five days ago last year. | ||
| We're in a Christian country, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Take your mouthpiece out, son. | ||
| Don't say mostly, too. | ||
| That's NBC, sir. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| Who's that? | ||
| Duho Choi. | ||
| Did you see that fight with him and Cub Swanson? | ||
| We watched it together, Cub Swanson, remember? | ||
| I do not think you should be asking for that fight. | ||
| I don't remember fights. | ||
| You and I watched it. | ||
| I'm not you. | ||
| It was chaos. | ||
| It was one of the craziest fights ever. | ||
| Your boy Kelvin fucked up Kennedy. | ||
| Remember that night? | ||
| Your boy Kelvin fucked up Ted Kennedy. | ||
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I remember that. | |
| That was us together. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Duho Choi and Cub Swanson had one of the craziest fights of all time. | ||
| Of all time. | ||
| It was beautiful. | ||
| It was a fucking full-on slobber knocker. | ||
| Nuts. | ||
| And who won? | ||
| Cub. | ||
| Cub won, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it was like a full-on slobber knocker, man. | ||
| The handsome kid. | ||
| Best athlete in the building. | ||
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Fantastic. | |
| Jeez. | ||
| Best teeth in the building. | ||
| Hannibal Buress. | ||
| You talking about my friend Hannibal? | ||
| I hope he dies. | ||
| Him, too. | ||
| Hannibal Buress right there. | ||
| Who dies? | ||
| He's fucking funny. | ||
| Hannibal or Christian McCaffrey? | ||
| As we get older, a part of us dies. | ||
| No, the handsome guy. | ||
| The young men, they take all our women. | ||
| The handsome guy. | ||
| Best white athlete in college football. | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| Running back, son. | ||
| That's real. | ||
| Isn't his dad... | ||
| Ed McCaffrey. | ||
| That's the best running back in college football? | ||
| Fullback. | ||
| No, tailback. | ||
| No. | ||
| Tailback. | ||
| This is the... | ||
| James 2nd and Heisman. | ||
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Two years ago. | |
| I'm trying to do a breakdown on that next week. | ||
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No. | |
| On Holman. | ||
| It's not 1943. I know. | ||
| Isn't it cool? | ||
| That's not the best running back. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Trump's president and we got a white fucking running back killing it. | ||
| Impossible. | ||
| I don't believe you. | ||
| It's possible with all the new vitamins. | ||
| Impossible. | ||
| He's a freak, man. | ||
| His dad was an NFL All-Pro, so that's where he gets it. | ||
| This Holly Holm-Jermaine Durandamy fight is not an easy fight for Holly Holm. | ||
| People don't realize this is a tough fight for her. | ||
| That Jermaine Durandamy is undefeated in Muay Thai. | ||
| She's got some preposterous fucking record. | ||
| I think it's like 46-0 or something like that. | ||
| Nunez already beat her, yeah? | ||
| In MMA. Yeah. | ||
| But Holly's a kickboxer. | ||
| The thing about it is, like, Holly's gonna strike with her. | ||
| Yeah, it's gonna be great. | ||
| That's a dangerous fight for Holly. | ||
| I bet you Holly takes her down. | ||
| Yeah, she might. | ||
| She has some good inside trips. | ||
| She's big, athletic. | ||
| She fights so well going backwards, too. | ||
| Holly loses this one? | ||
| You got three in a row? | ||
| Goddamn, how are we gonna sell this? | ||
| Yeah, she knows that. | ||
| Isn't it crazy? | ||
| This sport just changes so quick. | ||
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Did you work with her? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| No one stays at the top for very long. | ||
| She was in there. | ||
| I never worked with her. | ||
| She was in there. | ||
| Great, great person. | ||
| Freak. | ||
| Freak. | ||
| It's crazy how this fucking sport just chews people up. | ||
| You think you're on top, and then it's over. | ||
| But the casual fan doesn't care. | ||
| That's why that pay-per-view is sell, because the casual fan goes, oh, that's the girl who murked Ronda Rousey. | ||
| That's the argument for McGregor versus... | ||
| Floyd Floyd. | ||
| It's fucking happening, son. | ||
| It's happening. | ||
| Did you see it happening? | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
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Did you see it? | |
| So, McGregor held a press conference last night. | ||
| Sold out arena. | ||
| 5,000 tickets sold out. | ||
| He got on the mic and goes, fuck the UFC. Fuck everything. | ||
| He said, fuck boxing and fuck you. | ||
| Yeah, and he goes, the next fight is me versus Floyd. | ||
| He goes, Floyd, get it fucking done. | ||
| And then he goes, I'm going to do it with or without the UFC. And they told Dana that. | ||
| And he goes... | ||
| Good luck with that. | ||
| Yeah, good luck with that. | ||
| Good luck getting that done without me. | ||
| Well, he said that he believes with the Ali Act, he can actually do it because it's a different sport. | ||
| He has the money to hire the lawyers to try it. | ||
| Well, it is an interesting argument because it's not MMA. It's boxing. | ||
| So if it's boxing, he doesn't have a contract in boxing. | ||
| The UFC should just promote it anyways and work together with Floyd. | ||
| But the thing is, it's not just with Floyd. | ||
| It's with McGregor Promotions now. | ||
| That's the key. | ||
| He's got his own thing. | ||
| He wants to co-promote. | ||
| Because they don't want to have a third middleman in Dana White. | ||
| Because you have Conor McGregor promotions, Floyd Mayweather, and then the UFC. They don't want to give the UFC a percentage. | ||
| It's going to become what boxing is. | ||
| It's going to become that. | ||
| Because it's star-driven, like all things. | ||
| Like music, like comedy, like everything. | ||
| It's going to stay star-driven. | ||
| And when it's star-driven like that, guys like Conor, who are legitimate stars, they have the leverage. | ||
| And they're going to manipulate that leverage, they're going to utilize that leverage, and we're going to see what happens. | ||
| Who is she right now? | ||
| Biggest star we've ever had. | ||
| I hate the reality that it is star-driven, but it is a reality. | ||
| But why do you hate that? | ||
| Because it's always been like that in boxing, right? | ||
| I mean, that's how they make the $100 million paydays. | ||
| He's a purist. | ||
| So am I. Yeah, me too. | ||
| But I would love to see Conor versus Floyd. | ||
| Rob and I were talking about fights. | ||
| This dude said he's never seen a fight he doesn't like. | ||
| He loves every fight. | ||
| I love every single fight. | ||
| Oh, I've hated a lot of fights. | ||
| Did you see Kimbo and Dada? | ||
| Okay, you got right to it quick, right to the point that maybe I did see one fight that I hated. | ||
| I've seen some shitty fights. | ||
| We were talking about that Hollick fight, and he was like, I liked him. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here, sir. | ||
| Get out of my studio. | ||
| We are hypnotizing each other out there. | ||
| Halleck Gracie's last fight on Bellator. | ||
| What fight? | ||
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That was a good fight. | |
| That was a good fight. | ||
| I liked it too. | ||
| That was a good fight. | ||
| This is what I liked about that. | ||
| All bullshit aside, Halleck Gracie fought a fucking killer. | ||
| I mean, that guy knocked out Joe Schilling twice. | ||
| He knocked him out in kickboxing and he knocked him out in MMA. He's a fucking beast. | ||
| He's a very dangerous striker. | ||
| He's a very big guy and he's fucking scary. | ||
| He's a blaster. | ||
| And Halleck got through. | ||
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And did nothing. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| No, he avoided getting knocked out. | ||
| No, no, I'm not talking about Halleck. | ||
| I'm talking about your boy, who's a beast, did nothing. | ||
| Because he was scared. | ||
| He was worried about getting down. | ||
| He was scared to get strangled. | ||
| What he was scared of is what happened in the last minute of the last round. | ||
| When Halleck finally did take him down, passed his guard like butter, fucking mounted him, and had him in a bad spot. | ||
| Halleck was going to fuck him up. | ||
| If that fight kept going, if that was in the first minute of the first round, Halleck might very well have tapped that guy. | ||
| He couldn't do it. | ||
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If you guys think that was an entertaining fight, you're bad. | |
| Fuck off. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
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Get the fuck out of here. | |
| And you hated Kimbo vs. | ||
| Dada? | ||
| That was more entertaining than that. | ||
| I didn't hate it, but it was not a high-level fight. | ||
| I hated the fact that people were watching it on TV and both guys were severely unconditioned. | ||
| They were severely out of shape. | ||
| Dada died. | ||
| No, he didn't. | ||
| His heartbeat stopped. | ||
| They had to revive him. | ||
| I don't know if that's true. | ||
| Some of that is him adding to his own legend. | ||
| When I think about it honestly, I hated what the fight was about, but I love the fight. | ||
| The dynamic of what's happening between these two human beings in combat. | ||
| You mean Dada and Kimbo? | ||
| Yeah, even that one. | ||
| The dynamic between them is different than every other fight. | ||
| In their case, it's because... | ||
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Kill his mic. | |
| Kill his mic, Jamie. | ||
| If it was my student, I would have killed him during the Halleck talk. | ||
| I hate what the fight was about. | ||
| Are you intrigued by the Conor McGregor, Floyd Mayweather, as if Conor McGregor could actually box with Floyd Mayweather? | ||
| Conor McGregor cannot box with Floyd Mayweather, but Conor McGregor, the only goal that he could have, the workable idea, is a backdoor hack. | ||
| Something where being unwilling to make it a boxing match, he is fighting him with two hands, but boxing... | ||
| Is not the definition of fighting with two hands. | ||
| Find a hack. | ||
| Find a backdoor. | ||
| What would Tim Ferriss do? | ||
| If you said, hey, Tim Ferriss, how do you beat Floyd Mayweather with a guy who's never... | ||
| You'd push him off the stand. | ||
| That's not a good example. | ||
| You'd watch someone else's idea and regurgitate it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not that easy. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| But McGregor has found disruptions. | ||
| Uber is a disruption or Airbnb is a disruption on the hotel business. | ||
| Donald Trump is a disruption. | ||
| When you're using the Tim Ferriss example, a good reason why it sucks is because Tim did that whole show for CNN where he did a bunch of different things and learned them quickly. | ||
| And one of them he tried to do was jujitsu. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Good luck with all that. | ||
| Good luck learning jujitsu. | ||
| You know, a guy who's been doing jujitsu for 10 years can get drunk, stay up all night, show up drunk, and still play with you like you're a baby. | ||
| His name's John Jones. | ||
| Well, yeah, John Jones. | ||
| I mean, John Jones, like, I don't even think he's really ranked in jujitsu, although he could tap black belts. | ||
| He's such a freak. | ||
| But if John Jones wanted to, he could do whatever he wanted to. | ||
| I mean, if they're the same size, it doesn't matter. | ||
| Four months is not going to get you there. | ||
| The thought that I have is you can't beat him in boxing. | ||
| But what if there's some other answer? | ||
| And the answer to that is, well, in the hundred years, we've seen every answer. | ||
| If you believe that, if McGregor believes that, he's fucked. | ||
| What McGregor said that was really interesting yesterday in the press conference, he said, look, if it was a fight, it would be the easiest fight ever. | ||
| He goes, fuck UFC, fuck boxing. | ||
| If it's an actual fight, I'll fucking kill him. | ||
| It's a joke. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| He's like, so we're gonna limit it to hands, and you're playing a little game. | ||
| Okay, let's do it. | ||
| And that's interesting there, because that plays to the ego, and he's the only guy that could ever say that to Floyd. | ||
| Floyd's never faced a guy that says, listen, this is not even a fight. | ||
| This is a boxing match. | ||
| You want to fight, I will fuck you up. | ||
| Any day of the week, wake me up. | ||
| Wake me up and say you want to do it and I'll fucking kill you. | ||
| To win-win. | ||
| Yeah, and that's true. | ||
| He's also quite a bit bigger. | ||
| He's quite a bit bigger. | ||
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And fast. | |
| And you have to be different. | ||
| If you go in and try to box him, you have to strike with him in some way that is different. | ||
| What that answer is, I don't know yet. | ||
| Box with MMA gloves. | ||
| People have to remember that Maidana, who is super unconventional, really wild and reckless, Maidana went 12 rounds twice with him, you know? | ||
| And so Floyd's not knocking guys dead. | ||
| He's not like, he's not Gernady Golovkin in people or Kovalev in people. | ||
| You know, it's a totally different kind of experience. | ||
| What Floyd does is minimize any offense and maximize his potential to put offense on you. | ||
| And he's a genius at it. | ||
| And if his output's super low, it's because that's what he can get away with. | ||
| And if his output is super high, It's because he's got you. | ||
| You know, I mean, he's a genius. | ||
| Floyd Mayweather is a boxing genius. | ||
| Yeah, that's why you can't beat him. | ||
| Unless there's some answer that doesn't yet exist. | ||
| Yeah, Conner's not going to go in there and just do the truce on boxing and sit in front of him. | ||
| People think that it's crazy. | ||
| Here's the other fucking X factor, and it's a real factor, and it happens in every goddamn sport. | ||
| Guys get old overnight. | ||
| And Floyd Mayweather is 30, what? | ||
| 39 years old now? | ||
| Yeah, 39. 39 years old? | ||
| Probably 40 by the time this fight happens. | ||
| I mean, some guys it takes longer, some guys it's shorter. | ||
| Bernard Hopkins managed to get deep into his 40s and still be world class. | ||
| And he hasn't taken much punishment. | ||
| Floyd doesn't get hit. | ||
| He's only really been tagged by Mosley and Maidana. | ||
| Those are the guys who really tagged him. | ||
| And then earlier in his career he got hit a few times. | ||
| But Mosley sat him down. | ||
| Mosley wobbled him. | ||
| Yeah, he wobbled him. | ||
| One shot, and then he came back and dominated. | ||
| Yeah, he's a genius. | ||
| He's a boxing genius. | ||
| And as it goes on, if McGregor becomes predictable, so say this happens, and he becomes predictable in any way, even in ways that he doesn't understand that Floyd will read, then it just gets worse as the fight goes on. | ||
| He'll get outclassed all day. | ||
| So, somebody comes to you and says, this is happening, you're going to make $200 million, or whatever crazy amount of money you're going to make. | ||
| How do we do it? | ||
| And the answer is, you have to be very, very different. | ||
| You have to move away from Floyd, for sure. | ||
| You have to move away from him and draw him in. | ||
| And you've got to be different almost every round. | ||
| You've got to have a strategy that makes you unpredictable. | ||
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Good luck! | |
| And even then, you have to hit somebody who's never hit. | ||
| You know what I'm thinking? | ||
| Muay Thai dumps. | ||
| I'm saying he ties him up and fucking leg trims him, slams him. | ||
| He does that a few times. | ||
| Give him something to think about. | ||
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Finks touching the ground, doing cool shit. | |
| Mixed rules. | ||
| Something different. | ||
| If he could, you know, just one or two times, if they get in the clinch and there's some shit talking, something just decides to dump him, and you see Floyd's feet go flying up. | ||
| Embarrass him. | ||
| Floyd's a small man. | ||
| If you had a choice, what would you rather see them in a straight boxing match with boxing gloves or a boxing match with MMA gloves? | ||
| Floyd would never do that. | ||
| What do you think Floyd would want to do? | ||
| He would want the big gloves or the big gloves? | ||
| He would want the big gloves. | ||
| For defense, which is very important because it's really hard to get put. | ||
| It's a whole different game when you're getting around those little gloves. | ||
| You don't think Floyd would go damn with them little gloves? | ||
| His hands break a lot. | ||
| That's a great point. | ||
| And that's not his 4K. Your entire lifetime you've developed your style around the size of the mitt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you can't change that now. | ||
| Different games, son. | ||
| Everything changed. | ||
| But Connors giving up so goddamn much, throw a ball back to Connors. | ||
| Floyd's not in the business of giving you anything back. | ||
| How is that so weird, though? | ||
| He's the best boxer of all time. | ||
| Everything about his experience and his sensitivity is around his whole lifetime being built with this exact thing. | ||
| Sometimes he catches things in small little details. | ||
| And another factor is the speed of the incoming shots is going to be much faster. | ||
| When you're dealing with four ounce, there's guys in world-class boxing that are fast as fuck, right? | ||
| But they'd be faster if they had four ounce gloves on. | ||
| It's just a fact. | ||
| It's just a fact of physics. | ||
| And that speed almost might be indistinguishable to us, but to a fighter, it might be the difference between getting hit This motherfucker, Ngannou, man, I've been calling his fights for a while. | ||
| When that guy walks into the cage, it sounds different. | ||
| He's huge. | ||
| Did you see his hand next to the stands? | ||
| Yeah, 256. Dude, he makes me look like a little tiny person he can keep in his pocket. | ||
| He's huge, man. | ||
| And Arlovsky's not small. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He's a big dude. | ||
| And he's just solid as a rock, man. | ||
| He's French, yeah? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's French from Nigeria. | ||
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By way of the Congo. | |
| Oh, Nigeria. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's just a super athlete, man. | ||
| They think he's the next big thing. | ||
| Well, you know, we've yet to see him against a really good wrestler. | ||
| I don't say anybody's the next big thing until they go with Kane. | ||
| You gotta go with Kane. | ||
| A healthy Kane. | ||
| That pressure. | ||
| You see what he did to Travis. | ||
| You see what he did to Rothwell. | ||
| He just does shit to people. | ||
| He gets his face in your chest and just... | ||
| He gets past all your bullshit and then puts it to you with a pace that you just can't take. | ||
| The real question with Kane is, can he still do that? | ||
| He's had so many injuries. | ||
| They pulled him off of his last fight because he's got stenosis, so his fucking spinal column is shrinking and they have to open him up and carve a path to nerves. | ||
| It's Steep Aver's JDS now. | ||
| That is what the next fight is? | ||
| Steep Aver's legit. | ||
| He just gave away this fight. | ||
| That's real. | ||
| I know who wins now. | ||
| Why? | ||
| No you don't. | ||
| What, because of Stipe? | ||
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JDS? No, because you said you'd like to see him fight against a better guy. | |
| So that means... | ||
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I'm not listening. | |
| I'm not listening. | ||
| Quiet, quiet, quiet. | ||
| No hands, please. | ||
| One thing about me is I take my MMA very seriously, guys. | ||
| I would have said the same thing before. | ||
| I do, dude. | ||
| It's my secret garden. | ||
| Well, I'm a combat enthusiast. | ||
| Well, I'm a sportsman, as you guys know, and I like to get up close and personal and impose my will on another man. | ||
| And Gano's feet look different too. | ||
| They're like thicker. | ||
| Like his heels. | ||
| How tall is he? | ||
| Is he 6'5"? | ||
| Giant. | ||
| Giant. | ||
| When Randy fought Brock Lesnar, he said that the distance was hard to gauge because his proportion was so weird. | ||
| So you can't actually, he's got an enormous reach. | ||
| And when your body shape is different like that, it tricks the eye. | ||
| The way when you look down the strip in Vegas, you can't tell how close and far away those hotels are. | ||
| Ngannou looks way bigger than Mr. Orlovsky, who's a good 240. But the thing about Ngannou is he's a natural size, too. | ||
| That's a big gentleman. | ||
| That's just who he is. | ||
| He's a giant dude. | ||
| Shob, you fuck guys this big? | ||
| I thought you just said, Shob, have you fucked guys this big? | ||
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He did, he did. | |
| The answer is yes, both. | ||
| When necessary. | ||
| That is the correct answer. | ||
| Only when it rains. | ||
| Man, Arlovsky's only 37. Isn't that crazy? | ||
| He's got a lot of miles. | ||
| In MMA years, you're a tortoise, though. | ||
| But that's crazy. | ||
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Because in boxing, he's got a lot. | |
| Right there, man. | ||
| He's running at him and throwing punches, too. | ||
| Well, he comes in behind that double right hand all the time. | ||
| You can see it coming now. | ||
| Yeah, he looks scary. | ||
| His footwork. | ||
| Yeah, he is already much improved. | ||
| See, he's trying to draw him forward. | ||
| Imagine him with Yair-style kicking. | ||
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You know that's coming. | |
| Spooky. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| There was that overhand, Arlovsky with the overhand right. | ||
| He had just twice done the double right hand. | ||
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The uppercut got him, too. | |
| The uppercut's what did him in, I think. | ||
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Yeah, but you read Arlovsky's overhand right. | |
| As soon as that overhand right is there, this is done. | ||
| He wants to be the guy to tell him to stop with the lightning bolts in the hair. | ||
| Should we do it now? | ||
| Should we do it online? | ||
| I don't know how it is in France, though. | ||
| Maybe he's just dominating bitches in France with that. | ||
| So I watch when we see the replay. | ||
| Our lofty's overhand right was the tell. | ||
| He called it, too. | ||
| He said he was going to knock him out in the first round. | ||
| Is that that bold of a prediction? | ||
| I'm a lot more impressed even than last time. | ||
| Well, it is for Travis Brown. | ||
| I mean, you gotta think Arlowski just knocked out Travis Brown a couple of fights ago. | ||
| He's lost his last three, though. | ||
| Now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can watch the right hand off of Arlowski, the overhand right. | ||
| Here, cut, there. | ||
| Now you got him. | ||
| Because you know what it is. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Right behind the air there. | ||
| And look where his head position. | ||
| And Gano's head position is. | ||
| He knew exactly what was coming. | ||
| Dude, he lifted him off the ground with that uppercut. | ||
| What's his head position? | ||
| He knew what... | ||
| Oh, that is fucking beautiful. | ||
| So he planned... | ||
| He knew he was coming with the overhand right, so he... | ||
| That's some Conor McGregor shit right there. | ||
| Actually, Nate Diaz does that. | ||
| The Diaz brothers do that slip. | ||
| They use their right hand, the front hand. | ||
| But what's the front hand? | ||
| The Diaz brothers throw that hook from... | ||
| From Southpaw like that. | ||
| It's almost like a check. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You draw, slide out, head position is key, and then you come back over top. | ||
| That was by design. | ||
| It's so important that a referee know how hard a guy hits. | ||
| Because no one's complaining about that stoppage. | ||
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No. | |
| But in other fights, that would have been a stoppage where people would go, what the fuck? | ||
| He only took a couple shots and he's down. | ||
| Give him a chance to recover. | ||
| Yeah, not with that one. | ||
| Yeah, with Ngannou, you're like, no, no, no, that's good, that's good, that's good. | ||
| He probably heard it. | ||
| He could probably hear the impact from his... | ||
| Oh, yeah, for sure. | ||
| I would like to see him fight like a Rothwell, where that shot doesn't put him down, he just keeps coming for a little bit. | ||
| Rothwell's weird, eh? | ||
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Like squared up all the time and stuff? | |
| Maybe it does. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| Because he's beat up basically cans. | ||
| Then you give him Arlovsky, right? | ||
| He just murked Arlovsky. | ||
| He looked good, though, here now. | ||
| He looked good. | ||
| Do you remember when Ben Rothfeld fought Arlovsky and Arlovsky fucked him up? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that was Arlovsky when he was in his Well, not even in his prime. | ||
| He was a little slipped by then. | ||
| Affliction, right? | ||
| Yeah, it was the affiction days. | ||
| It was a little past his prime. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, Arlovsky's prime was when he was in his 20s. | ||
| Brother, he went on a run in the UFC, though. | ||
| He's one fight away from a heavyweight title. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Last, what? | ||
| Two years ago. | ||
| Two years ago. | ||
| But do you remember when he was young? | ||
| Remember when he starched Paul Bontello with one punch? | ||
| He's my favorite. | ||
| He had a right hand that was like a piston, dude. | ||
| And it's almost like now you can see the wear and tear on his shoulders when he's throwing punches. | ||
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Stiff. | |
| Like, he throws punches differently now. | ||
| Back then, everything was just laser-beamed straight. | ||
| Remember when he went to Wild Card and was just working with Freddie Roach and was, like, real tall and just getting knocked the fuck out left and right? | ||
| And then went to Jackson's. | ||
| But he was doing well after he trained with Freddie Roach. | ||
| He was doing really well against Fedor. | ||
| And then he just panicked. | ||
| He was lighting him up. | ||
| He was doing well and then he did that flying knee and Fedor was like, what the fuck are you doing? | ||
| Good dude! | ||
| Best timing in the game with his right hand. | ||
| It was just deceptive timing. | ||
| How about Fedor Mitrione coming up in like two weeks, right? | ||
| On Spike? | ||
| Yeah, that's weird. | ||
| I just feel bummed out that we never got to see Fedor in the UFC. I still feel bummed out about it. | ||
| There's an empty hole in my heart for that one. | ||
| And he's not at his best. | ||
| It'd be cool to see him at his best. | ||
| Did you see that Mel Dodano fight that he had? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Maldonado fucked him up. | ||
| Maldonado should've got that decision. | ||
| I watched that like this. | ||
| It'll make you sick to your stomach. | ||
| Maldonado should've got that decision. | ||
| He should've. | ||
| Oh, you know the commission turned it. | ||
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They did? | |
| Yeah, they did. | ||
| In Russia? | ||
| To a no contest. | ||
|
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In Russia? | |
| Look that up, Jamie. | ||
| I might be... | ||
| Batshit crazy. | ||
| I'm pretty sure they switched it. | ||
| In Russia? | ||
| I think only one side, he got no contest. | ||
| Even Russia was like, alright, we fucked up. | ||
| Wow, that's when you know you got jobbed. | ||
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Russia? | |
| They're like, enough. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| This guy. | ||
| But you know that? | ||
| When you're going to just go old school like Arlovsky did there, these young guys are going to intercept you every time. | ||
| Put your headphones on, Brian Callen. | ||
| You're on the microphone. | ||
| This is a podcast. | ||
| We've talked about this before, you son of a bitch. | ||
| Does he call anyone out here? | ||
| Does Francis call anyone out here? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I haven't heard it. | ||
| Oh, he speaks zero English, huh? | ||
|
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Do you hate American dollars? | |
| Crank that. | ||
| Yeah, Fedor's victory overturned. | ||
|
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He's trying. | |
| Oh, that's not bad at all. | ||
|
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Good for him man You see anyone's big fight yeah Yeah, well he said I'm very happy that he gave me a former champ. | |
| I'm a believer in him now. | ||
| That was pure skill. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Head position coming off and bam. | ||
| So he pulled back there? | ||
| Yeah, draw back where your head is in space is the key. | ||
| And you take it off the shoulder. | ||
| Dude, he's terrifying. | ||
| He's the most terrifying heavyweight in a long time. | ||
| He read that shit coming from 20 miles away. | ||
| And the right hand combo is part of it. | ||
| So it's a designed play. | ||
| I guess his wrestling is pretty BC. They say, you know, granted it's the French wrestling team, but he trains with the Olympic wrestling team and he can't get his ass down. | ||
| Well, also the judo team. | ||
| They're bringing in all sorts of really high-level... | ||
| Look at the size of his hands. | ||
| They're bringing in a bunch of different Olympic-level athletes to work with this guy. | ||
| I mean, he's a real prospect. | ||
| I'm a believer now. | ||
| That was a skill win. | ||
| Best prospect we got. | ||
| Best prospect in a long time. | ||
| I still have skeptical hippo eyes. | ||
| I'm not a believer after I knocked him or lost me out. | ||
| No, it was just that was a skill win. | ||
| That was a designed play off an overhand right planned. | ||
| Rashad Evans right there. | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| Hey, Rashad. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| All right, Twitter, Brazil. | ||
| I think people are crazy. | ||
| At one point, Pena was the favorite. | ||
| It's like, do the oddsmakers not... | ||
| I know, who the fuck made those odds? | ||
| For a while, but then the public was like, what the fuck? | ||
| Yeah, we're gonna get money on this. | ||
| And then the favorite was... | ||
| And I got nothing against Pena, but you're looking at somebody with 400 fights. | ||
| Shevchenko. | ||
| Four hard fights she's got? | ||
| Hundreds of fights. | ||
| Kickboxing and boxing. | ||
| Hundreds of fights. | ||
| She's so hard, dude. | ||
| Shevchenko's so hard. | ||
| To take down? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Hard. | ||
| Like a hard person. | ||
| She's a hard woman. | ||
| She's this Russian chick who loves guns. | ||
| I mean, her nickname is Bullet. | ||
| She has a gun tattoo on her hip. | ||
| She's tough. | ||
| We're going skill versus hard in this fight. | ||
| Oh, you guys already told me we won. | ||
| I haven't seen this fight. | ||
| I have not seen this fight. | ||
| No, we did not. | ||
| It's a crazy fight. | ||
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You're going to love this fight. | |
| This fight is going to be an interesting fight, too. | ||
| Dennis Bermudez coming up is going to fight Korean Zombie. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Next weekend. | ||
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Dude, I think fucking Ian McCall's opponent pulled out. | |
| What the fuck is going on? | ||
| It's like the fifth fight or sixth fight that got canceled for Ian. | ||
| Something's going on. | ||
| But the good news is it's two weeks for the fight. | ||
| He might get a replacement. | ||
| Yeah, they should be able to find someone. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It's hard, man. | ||
| Flyweight is not easy. | ||
| It's not easy to find a good flyweight. | ||
| Well, good's a different answer. | ||
| Maybe there's some young dude who's just biting, you know, waiting out there. | ||
| I'm sure there is. | ||
| There is. | ||
| As long as he can make the weight, man. | ||
| You know, because New York, they don't fuck around with that. | ||
| Oh, yeah, it's in New York. | ||
| Yeah, if you fuck up with the weight in New York, like if you're over by, I think it's eight pounds, they won't let you fight. | ||
| That's fair, too. | ||
| That happened in one of the cards. | ||
| That is fair. | ||
| It hurt the guy. | ||
| It happened on one of the cards. | ||
| It was Calvin. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's why they pulled him. | ||
| Tim Kennedy. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And goddamn, he erased everybody's anger about that. | ||
| Everybody was so mad about that. | ||
| Calvin is a destroyer. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| And he's one of the guys that I had a Taekwondo talk with. | ||
| And he goes, dude, he pulls out video of his training. | ||
| He goes, I'm already doing this. | ||
| He had like a session where he's spinning and just getting all the spins down. | ||
| And he's on it. | ||
| Imagine Calvin. | ||
| Get him on that nutritionist, son. | ||
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I think I won 85. Is he staying at 85? | |
| No! | ||
| Oh no, he's fighting Vitor. | ||
| He's fighting Vitor. | ||
| That's a good fight. | ||
| Woodley? | ||
| It was a split decision, right? | ||
| And he was exhausted because he was drained. | ||
| See, I think at 70 he's the champ. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| But he was drained for that fight. | ||
| He cut a ton of weight for that fight. | ||
| I don't like him at 70. I like him at 85. You like his chance to become world champ at 85? | ||
| I think he could do it. | ||
| I think he just has to gain some muscle. | ||
| He's only 5'9". | ||
| Look, he has to put on some mass. | ||
| Or figure out a way to comfortably make 170 in a much healthier way. | ||
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That's the answer. | |
| Where he's not draining himself. | ||
| And he can be champ, though. | ||
| He can be champ at 170. The road to 170 is easier for him. | ||
| Yo, look. | ||
| Everybody gets tired, but he doesn't get tired. | ||
| That dude is still pumping it out in the third round. | ||
| And when he was overwhelming Kennedy in the third... | ||
| Was it the second or third round when he... | ||
| Both smashed him. | ||
| Second, right? | ||
| Did he stop him in the second or the third? | ||
| His pace was out of control. | ||
| His footwork. | ||
| That's what I thought the big factor. | ||
| I thought there were two big factors in that fight. | ||
| I thought, one, Tim's a big 185, and he's super strong, and his jiu-jitsu's real good. | ||
| If he gets Kelvin down, he might be able to blanket him and beat him up. | ||
| But when he started getting tired, I was like, he's going to have a real hard time with Kelvin's footwork. | ||
| Because Kelvin's footwork is nasty. | ||
| He's real light. | ||
| He balances around. | ||
| And he does a lot of feints. | ||
| He's not predictable. | ||
| And he comes in behind that long right jab. | ||
| He fucks you up, man. | ||
| He's a southpaw. | ||
| Sneaky southpaw. | ||
| He comes up with his right jab sometimes. | ||
| Sometimes he comes in. | ||
| He hooks you. | ||
| He digs to the body. | ||
| His grappling's good. | ||
| His chin is made out of fucking granite. | ||
| Yeah, he's a killer. | ||
| He's going to be tough to beat. | ||
| He's tough to beat. | ||
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Yeah, he's a cool little sweetheart of a guy. | |
| After he beat Kennedy, I watched Swanson vs. | ||
| Choi with him, and he was just having the time of his life. | ||
| He was untouched. | ||
| That was a rough night for Tim. | ||
| Tim made a big mistake. | ||
| He went from one camp straight into the other camp, and apparently he was very flat, and they were saying that he was definitely overtrained. | ||
| I think he's overtrained. | ||
| I think he's one foot in, one foot out, too. | ||
| These guys, these new gen guys, they just understand the space between you better. | ||
| Like, they manipulate the space between you. | ||
| And we just saw it with Ngannou. | ||
| You know, he just has a better understanding of the space between you and his opponent. | ||
| Well, we got past the stand and bang phase. | ||
| That shit's done. | ||
| That stand and bang phase is done. | ||
| Yes, at a world-class level. | ||
| Stand and bang is done. | ||
| At a world-class level, yes. | ||
| And everybody wants to be world-class. | ||
| When you see guys like Conor McGregor raising that fucking bar, and then you see the new ones coming up, like the Yair Rodriguez, like the fucking Cody Garbrandt, who can be next level. | ||
| And what are they doing? | ||
| They're moving like a motherfucker. | ||
| Distance control movement. | ||
| There's no stand and bang. | ||
| It's calculated exchanges, calculated risks, world-class technique. | ||
| Everybody's accelerated. | ||
| Everything is way higher, way higher level. | ||
| And then they're at this new level and they're accelerating in their ability to improve from that level. | ||
| So it's like exponential and it's weird. | ||
| And then young guys coming up. | ||
| I commentated some fights between, I was telling Brendan, an 18-year-old named Tony Laramie and a 20-year-old named Keith Lee. | ||
| Kevin Liesel, a brother from Vegas, they were both 0-0 and it was some high level shit! | ||
| High level! | ||
| The way that they played at distance, the way that they manipulated the timing, it was fucking crazy for TKO for Fight Pass. | ||
| Yeah, no, nothing is getting, nothing is accelerating faster than high-level MMA right now. | ||
| If you go back 20 years ago and look at where it is today, there's not a sport in the world where you see that much of a jump between 20 years ago and today. | ||
| It's not a sport in the world. | ||
| It's like technology. | ||
| It's moving like technology. | ||
| It's evolving like a technology. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The question is, when are we going to see a guy who kicks like Yair and also has Joe Schilling-style Muay Thai and also can box like Cody Garber? | ||
| He's 13 right now. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| There are 18-year-olds right now that are coming. | ||
| That are blowing your mind. | ||
| And that's why when you see a guy like Yair and you see this next level expression, you realize like, wow, the horizon is going to be bananas. | ||
| We're going to see guys like Yair fighting another guy like Yair. | ||
| And we're just going to see chaos. | ||
| And their level of performance, just their ability psychologically to fight, and that's growing exponentially. | ||
| But Conor's raising that individually by himself. | ||
| He is raising everyone's expectations for how someone performs under pressure. | ||
| He steps in there against Jose Aldo and fucking sleeps him in 13 seconds in a fight that he's been talking shit about for a year. | ||
| For a straight solid year, world tour, telling everybody he's going to fuck him up. | ||
| And he goes and starches him with one punch. | ||
| In exactly the way that you knew if he was going to do it. | ||
| Drawing. | ||
| And that was a punch you had seen him use. | ||
| And that strike he'd been using in England and Ireland before he ever fought. | ||
| He was landing that in space, drawing you forward. | ||
| It's one of my favorite tweets ever that I tweeted him in like 2013. I said, I'm a big fan. | ||
| I hope you get into the UFC one day. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| What fight was it that got you into him? | ||
| Oh, man, I watched a bunch of his fights from England, but it was one fight where he slid back and KO'd this dude with his perfectly placed left hand. | ||
| And I was like, this kid's got some fucking timing. | ||
| And like Faraz Ahabi describes, the touch of death. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Yep. | ||
| No, when you got that kind of, but it's power, you can see his body is built to deliver that power, but it's technique, it's clean and clean. | ||
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Big shoulders, man. | |
| It's also thought, you know, he's very, the way he's approaching the game is very thoughtful. | ||
| He's thinking it through, like getting down with Ido Portal and just concentrating on the ability to move your body better. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Just all, you know, across the board, having that kind of dexterity. | ||
| To think better, to perform better. | ||
| Your views on the movement stuff? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| You haven't? | ||
| You're sticking with that? | ||
| Yeah, I think it's all bullshit. | ||
| It's definitely not bullshit. | ||
| Movement is bullshit. | ||
| How is movement bullshit? | ||
| Explain that. | ||
| I don't think it's bullshit. | ||
| I think it can help you, but you better have the foundation, the skills of Conor McGregor before you bring in a movement coach like that. | ||
| Nobody says you cut other shit out. | ||
| We're just talking about doing movement stuff. | ||
| I think it's very important. | ||
| Gymnastic natural, the way those Brazilians... | ||
| Gymnastic natural. | ||
| That's real shit. | ||
| I see it in breakdancing. | ||
| Breakdancing is movement, the ultimate movement drills. | ||
| And I see it personally in jujitsu. | ||
| All those guys from the freak show, they all did jujitsu and all got really good really quick. | ||
| So it does help. | ||
| The freak show for the uninitiated is Richie and Gio Martinez down in San Diego. | ||
| They're bad motherfuckers who are badass breakdancers who have turned into jujitsu black belts who are out there murking people. | ||
| Phenoms, yeah. | ||
| Eddie told me about it when these guys were white belts. | ||
| He told me about it. | ||
| He's like, dude, I got these new guys. | ||
| They're white belts and they're phenomenal. | ||
| Everybody knew it right away that they have this very unusual ability. | ||
| And you know what, man? | ||
| You've got to give it up to the man, Hicks and Gracie, because he figured it out before anybody. | ||
| You go back to those 1994 Hicks and Gracie videos, where Hicks was in Santa Monica, standing on a balance bar, stretching his leg overhead in a full split. | ||
| He was doing the rings. | ||
| He was walking on his hands. | ||
| He was doing all his breathing exercises. | ||
| He was down with yoga and movement and dexterity and flexibility before anybody. | ||
| By the way, this is my new favorite all-time commercial. | ||
| This fucking commercial. | ||
| Back this up a little bit. | ||
| Jamie, give me some knowledge. | ||
| Or give me some volume. | ||
| You know where that actor's from? | ||
| Second American Idol year one. | ||
| Lost to Kelly Clarkson. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| There's a... | ||
| He's a tiny horse guy. | ||
| Look at these ranchers. | ||
| He's got red hair. | ||
| Like, purplish red hair. | ||
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Cowboys would kill him. | |
| Commercials have gotten crazier and crazier because they have to cut through the nose. | ||
| This is a great fucking commercial, man. | ||
| It's a tiny little dude who's flamboyantly gay on a tiny little white horse. | ||
| He's more like Prince. | ||
| I don't know if he's gay. | ||
| That's probably the third one. | ||
| That guy was gay for sure. | ||
| That was the funny thing. | ||
| Yeah, I got a gay as fuck. | ||
| His hair was awesome. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| He might be a Prince guy. | ||
| Yeah, you might be. | ||
| You might be right. | ||
| Yeah, fuck small girl, like tiny. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| But it's a great, great goddamn commercial. | ||
| Anyway, we'll fast-forward through this shit and get to the cowboy fight. | ||
| This fight is a fight that I felt coming into this fight. | ||
| Don't give it away. | ||
| I'm not gonna give anything away. | ||
| But I'm saying, coming into this fight, I think that a lot of people don't know how good Jorge Masvidal is, so this is not a fight that that many people are excited about. | ||
| You just gave it away. | ||
| But, no, no, no. | ||
| Goddammit, bro. | ||
| You can't do that, man. | ||
| I'm not giving shit away. | ||
| Mass foul is unreal. | ||
| Super, super dangerous. | ||
| So, cowboy, a lot of people would think this fight wouldn't be as close as it's likely to be. | ||
| Oh, you're just giving it away? | ||
| Stop with that. | ||
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I'm trying to confuse you. | |
| Stop with that. | ||
| I'm fainting. | ||
| But I think that... | ||
| Cowboy at 170 is so much better than Cowboy at 55. And he's one more example of just like we were talking about with Kelvin. | ||
| Guys who don't cut weight, and because of that, they look healthier, they look faster, they look stronger. | ||
| They're more durable, too. | ||
| They can recover from stuff. | ||
| But the trade-off, of course, is at 170, if you fight like Tyron Woodley, you're fighting someone who hits way fucking harder than anybody at 55. This guy's so elegantly skilled, man. | ||
| Relax! | ||
| I just did a breakdown on him and I put in some of his old backyard fights. | ||
| Yeah, but he used to have those backyard fights back in the old Kimbo days. | ||
| Kimbo was in his corner for a lot of them. | ||
| Masvidal's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He's got some knee issues though. | ||
| He's had some knee issues for a long time, man. | ||
| He's been hesitant, usually, in a lot of his fights. | ||
| He's always kind of scared to pull the trigger. | ||
| His knees are always fucked up, man. | ||
| His knees are always fucked up. | ||
| He's trying to intimidate Cowboy, because everybody thinks that if you intimidate Cowboy... | ||
| You gotta bully him. | ||
| Yeah, you have to. | ||
| Oh, that didn't work in the Matt Brown fight. | ||
| No, at all. | ||
| See, everyone thinks that Matt Brown fight was like a cakewalk. | ||
| That was a bit of a beast. | ||
| It was a bit of a fight. | ||
| No, it was definitely not a cakewalk. | ||
| Matt Brown ain't a cakewalk to anybody. | ||
| No, I'm saying people think Cowboy... | ||
| I didn't think Cowboy looked that great in that fight. | ||
| I thought it was a tough fight. | ||
| It was a real good fight. | ||
| I didn't think he looked bad at all, but he's fighting Matt fucking Brown. | ||
| Matt Brown is a goddamn barbarian. | ||
| He's a barbarian. | ||
| He lost, what, five or six? | ||
| He's a barbarian. | ||
| Every fight. | ||
| Why would Cowboy fight the number 12 guy? | ||
| Because he doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| He wanted to fight in Denver. | ||
| He just knocked out Matt Brown six weeks ago, and he's like, I want to fight in Denver. | ||
| Denver's his hometown. | ||
| He did take some punishment in that fight. | ||
| He did. | ||
| He definitely took some punishment in that Matt Brown fight. | ||
| But this is what he loves to do, man. | ||
| He loves to just get back after it. | ||
| And he loves that story. | ||
| He also, the more he fights, the more comfortable he is fighting. | ||
| The more it becomes natural. | ||
| He went to a concert last night, the night before this. | ||
| And he goes to Mexico too, doesn't he? | ||
| He always goes to Mexico in like the middle of his camp or some shit. | ||
| Near the end. | ||
| Why does he do that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He says it relaxes him. | ||
| I guess he did it in one camp and he had a great performance. | ||
| So he said it relaxes him. | ||
| And if your last week is just sweating a lot anyways, you can do it anyway. | ||
| And he doesn't have to make weight. | ||
| Oh shit. | ||
| It works for him. | ||
| He fights at 175. I mean, he walks around at 175, 176. He's not cutting anything. | ||
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No, he looks great at 70. He can be real champ at 70. Yeah, I agree. | |
| Are people synced up to this? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| 447, 446, 445, 444, first round. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Look at this fight. | ||
| You're welcome. | ||
| Yeah, this is real interesting. | ||
| Ooh, good step and round kick to the body. | ||
| Man, those switch kicks of his are nasty too. | ||
| Yes, he's so good with it. | ||
| And he's also good sneaking it up high out of nowhere. | ||
| Which is what he did with Matt Brown. | ||
| He snuck that switch kick off the left leg. | ||
| That was a front leg round kick to the face he knocked Matt Brown out with. | ||
| Look how different their rhythms are, eh? | ||
| You can see these conflicting rhythms. | ||
| Well, Masvidal is much more boxing-oriented in his attack. | ||
| See, he's letting him know. | ||
| He's trying to play him a little bit. | ||
| You don't hear it. | ||
| I have watched this fight. | ||
| You don't hear it, but he's like... | ||
| Like he's making sounds. | ||
| He's trying to give Cowboy novel experiences. | ||
| See, you can see him. | ||
| Yeah, he is making some noise. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| I wonder if we would get pulled if we had the sound in the background. | ||
| What would happen, young Jamie? | ||
| Fox might jack your ass. | ||
| Fox would jack me? | ||
| Fox don't mess around. | ||
| Tell Fox I'll come back. | ||
| I'll do a couple shows. | ||
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- Yeah. | |
| - That might do it. | ||
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That might do it. - Just let me talk some shit about one or two of them. | |
| - Oh! | ||
| - Oh, shit! - Good left hook, right hand and a left hook. | ||
| - That would be so good. - Masvidal wants to stay in there long enough to land the last punch and back Donald up, and that's hard, man. | ||
| He's super aggressive, Masvidal. | ||
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That was a nice leg kick there by Masvidal as well. | |
| He comes in clean with that jab, and he also has a real nice high guard, Masvidal. | ||
| He's a crafty fighter, man. | ||
| Really well-schooled. | ||
| So smooth, like water. | ||
| I like that inside leg kick Donald throws. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| Donald's one of the best leg kickers in the sport, for sure. | ||
| Jorge's taking him dead serious, like the hands. | ||
| Oh, beautiful job. | ||
| And you can tell Donald's a lot too worried about getting taken down. | ||
| He's so tall. | ||
| Like, he fights tall anyways, but whenever he engages in another striking battle, he's always tall. | ||
| Look at his leg kick. | ||
| He probably has one of the most head kicks, too. | ||
| I mean, he's like, what, 10? | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| He's knocked out a lot of guys with head kicks. | ||
| He wants to be in there till the end. | ||
| Look at Masvidal's leg, though. | ||
| Cowboy's eating that shit up. | ||
| Beautiful inside leg kick there. | ||
| Love that little off-time body film. | ||
| He went to the body there, too. | ||
| Look at Masvidal. | ||
| He eats it and comes forward. | ||
| That was the question, right? | ||
| With the leg kicks. | ||
| How's he going to deal with it? | ||
| Because it's there. | ||
| We said he would counter off them. | ||
| With punches. | ||
| Has to. | ||
| And his counters off the kicks are slightly different, too. | ||
| Instead of sweeping the one side and then using the typical... | ||
| Off that, he'll go left hook. | ||
| But he also just takes it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's so aggressive. | ||
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So tough. | |
| Yeah, he's so, like, the fact that he keeps closing the distance in on Cowboy. | ||
| People don't understand how good he is. | ||
| Constantly walking down. | ||
| Yeah, no, he's very good. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because he's never had that breakout win. | ||
| I don't mean to interrupt you. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, he's never had that huge staple win. | ||
| Well, if you look at his lifestyle, too, I mean, he really has had to concentrate and be much more dedicated over the last couple years. | ||
| Because before, he used to play a lot of video games and fuck off and... | ||
| Is this Masvidal you're talking about? | ||
| Yeah, it was like half of the fun of watching his countdown shows. | ||
| I love that little fate to come forward. | ||
| That. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Donald was a takedown defense. | ||
| Masvidal's got good takedown defense, man. | ||
| That American top team is a fucking crazy gym. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It caught him. | ||
| Just off the forearm. | ||
| A little bit, yeah. | ||
| A little bit, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you can see he's backing up a little. | ||
| Man, that spinning elbow, shit. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| But the jab is just... | ||
| That switch kick off the left side that Donald throws is so nice. | ||
| Sometimes Jorge's hands are down, and they're not down tonight, man. | ||
| Dead serious. | ||
| A lot of respect. | ||
| He just understands what it is. | ||
| Well, completely on that right side because of that left high kick. | ||
| That left high kick. | ||
| He's throwing heat with that right hand. | ||
| See, his overhand compared to Arlovsky's, it's hidden. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is just expressed, it's not thrown. | ||
| Honestly, when I look at Orlovsky move, I gotta go back to this. | ||
| Ooh, nice pretty back kick. | ||
| I feel like Orlovsky's shoulders are gone. | ||
| Probably a lot of wearing tears. | ||
| They're probably really tight. | ||
| He's throwing punches like he's throwing them with his arms. | ||
| The jaw can only take so many punches, right? | ||
| Everyone's got a certain amount that they're going to take and that's it. | ||
| Well, not only that, dude. | ||
| Oh, nice leg kick there. | ||
| When guys take a lot of punishment, their fucking motor skills start going, bro. | ||
| They can't move the same way. | ||
| That hurt him right there. | ||
| Oh, he got tagged there again. | ||
| That right hand. | ||
| Oh, jeez. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| Now he's hurt. | ||
| That hurt him. | ||
| He got flat-footed there. | ||
| It's all push-pull. | ||
| It's push-pull, Jorge. | ||
| Oh, good kick to the body. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| He's out there. | ||
| He's out. | ||
| Stop that fight. | ||
| Stop that fight. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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No. | |
| End of the round. | ||
| End of the round. | ||
| That's insane! | ||
| That's fucking out. | ||
| When have you ever seen a ref at the end of the round go like this? | ||
| Wave his hands like it's out. | ||
| He might have questioned himself. | ||
| It's better off to just end the fight now, man. | ||
| They should have ended it right there. | ||
| They should have ended the fight right there. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| He looks out right there. | ||
| Once that calls been made, now it's up to the doctor, and Greg's just going to do his job here. | ||
| Greg Jackson was screaming at him, you're not going to lose in Denver. | ||
| This is what I want from your head movement. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Move my head. | ||
| There was a big pep talk here, but honestly... | ||
| You gotta wonder whether or not it's the right move to send a guy out. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| You don't know. | ||
| I mean, you're hopeful. | ||
| You want him to recover. | ||
| You don't want him to lose by stoppage. | ||
| Let's take a look at it here. | ||
| Off the left to the hook, yeah. | ||
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Boom, boom. | |
| The right hand to the temple. | ||
| The left hand behind it. | ||
| So he's in deep trouble here. | ||
| He's out there. | ||
| He's taking shots. | ||
| His eyes roll back. | ||
| Watch this left hook. | ||
| Herb steps in. | ||
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I didn't see that. | |
| So he knew the kick was coming because he kicked the body. | ||
| Boom, boom, boom. | ||
| Man, what a combination. | ||
| Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. | ||
| He sweeps the kick away, and it loads his left hook. | ||
| Now, do you feel like Herb was stopping the fight, and then the bell rang, and then he said, let's just keep it going? | ||
| Yep, I do. | ||
| That's what you think. | ||
| There's the doc. | ||
| I don't think he should be... | ||
| It's on the doc, I think. | ||
| It shouldn't be on the corner so much with the fighter. | ||
| The fighter's going to want to fight. | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| The doctor should be like, we can't do this. | ||
| Oh, look at that. | ||
| He smiled at him. | ||
| I got you. | ||
| What do you think the people would want? | ||
| They want blood. | ||
| If you have money on it, if you have money on Masvidal, you want that shit fucking over right there. | ||
| Fuck those people, though. | ||
| Fuck those people. | ||
| Think about the fighter. | ||
| You want to see Donald be a world champion? | ||
| You want to see him take brain damage right now? | ||
| It's what's right. | ||
| You know, what is the right thing to do? | ||
| So right now, it's very hard to argue that's the wrong thing to let him fight. | ||
| Because he's moving around, his hands are up. | ||
| He's compromised. | ||
| He's compromised. | ||
| You gotta protect the fighter from himself. | ||
| He attacked again. | ||
| Look at that nasty knee in the body. | ||
| Masvidal's fucking him up, man. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I'd like to see Cowboy jump to guard there. | ||
| Cowboy's so tough. | ||
| Goddammit, he got fucked up there. | ||
| He's inviting the kick. | ||
| See, he's kicking him to try to get him to kick him. | ||
| To kick back. | ||
| Don't kick the knee. | ||
| Oh, nice leg kick. | ||
| He's asking for a kick. | ||
| Yeah, you see the way Donald's throwing those punches. | ||
| Those are purely defensive. | ||
| He's just trying to keep him off. | ||
| And then he goes for the kick. | ||
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Boom! | |
| He tagged him again. | ||
| That's the end. | ||
| Wow, he gets up! | ||
| Look at those body shots. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah, just stop it. | ||
| That's a bummer for Cowboy, man. | ||
| That's a fucking bummer. | ||
| He goes, you know what happened? | ||
| Did he just say that to him? | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| He said, you know what happened? | ||
| You know what happened? | ||
| Is that what he said to him? | ||
| Yeah, he's a kid. | ||
| And rightfully so. | ||
| They talked a lot of shit. | ||
| And then when you murk the guy in his hometown, it's like, yeah, what's up, man? | ||
| Fucking told you. | ||
| That doctor's interesting. | ||
| He's got those shells and that very pink shirt. | ||
| Yeah, the doctor is wearing... | ||
| I need to see his degree. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Easy on the doctor. | ||
| Easy on the doctor. | ||
|
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Good dude. | |
| I know that guy. | ||
| I'm not saying he's not a good dude. | ||
| He's a shaman. | ||
|
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Legit doctor. | |
| Legit doctor. | ||
| Let's see what he says here. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| You know what happened. | ||
| You know what happened. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Give me some volume, Jamie. | ||
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You know what happened. | |
| Hey, man. | ||
| That's the real thing right now. | ||
| That's dark. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Lose with a little more grace. | ||
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Easy, B. Because Donald talked all that shit. | |
| And then when that happens and the guy goes, I fucking told you. | ||
| Everyone goes, oh, sore loser. | ||
| It's a fight, man. | ||
| And he's cool now. | ||
| It's a fight. | ||
| And he just backed up. | ||
| He's like, I fucking told you that was going to happen. | ||
| Masvidal asked for this fight. | ||
| He goes, I will fuck him up in Denver. | ||
| He can be to anybody. | ||
| He literally can beat anybody. | ||
| If he's on, yes. | ||
| If he brings his A game, he can. | ||
| Yeah, because this fight was made after Cowboy's last win, right? | ||
| Masvidal said, I'll fight him. | ||
| And then Cowboy gets on mic and goes, let's do this dance in Denver. | ||
| Six weeks after fucking getting dropped by Matt Brown. | ||
| You gotta protect Cowboy from himself. | ||
| Watch how he loads the left hand. | ||
| Right there, loads. | ||
| He loads the left hook off of that. | ||
| And this is the stoppage. | ||
| This is the end. | ||
| Masvidal's very fast. | ||
| He's so smooth. | ||
| Masvidal's a monster. | ||
| You gotta wonder if it was the right call to let him come out for that second round. | ||
| Watch the loaded hip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right there. | ||
| We got good action. | ||
| I'm glad they let it go. | ||
| I want to see more action. | ||
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As a coach though, Eddie, if that was Tony Ferguson, you shouldn't be saying that. | |
| I'm not his coach. | ||
| I'm just saying as a fan, I want to see it. | ||
| I want to see it. | ||
| Fuck a fan. | ||
| I'm not MMA Mother Teresa. | ||
| Look at this for a second. | ||
| Not if that was Tony or Kelvin. | ||
| Wait, Herb stopped this fight. | ||
| Don't talk over him, please. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| It's timely because they're showing it. | ||
| I have a question. | ||
| Why is he stopping it when he's hitting the body? | ||
| Because he has nothing. | ||
| He saw the response when he touched the liver. | ||
| You see his body just kind of shut down right there. | ||
| And Herb, me, he's a human being. | ||
| So he's feeling, questioning his decision earlier anyway. | ||
| He knows he fucked. | ||
| And if he sees the chance, he's going to take it. | ||
| Yeah, he knew it was a bad place for Cowboy right there. | ||
| He was getting lit up. | ||
| And it's easier to say, and you can be a couch quarterback here, I think it's easier to say, man, Donald shouldn't have fought this soon. | ||
| But honestly, the UFC should not allow Donald to fight six weeks after suffering brain trauma. | ||
| No commission should have cleared him. | ||
| His coaches shouldn't allow him. | ||
| He wants to, and that's the Cowboy way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Cowboy losing the number 12 guy in the world, Cowboy can be world fucking champion. | ||
| But he's a thoroughbred man. | ||
| Treat him like that. | ||
| Don't let him do this wild shit. | ||
| It's a different game. | ||
| Doing something that you would never see a guy like Floyd Mayweather do, for example. | ||
| Or Conor. | ||
| Or Conor. | ||
| Would never do that. | ||
| Yeah, fighting six weeks after a war. | ||
| It's his life. | ||
| I get that, but also he's not making Conor money. | ||
| He's not making Floyd money either. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| He can do that if he was world champion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, that's the argument, right? | ||
| He needs to be protected from himself. | ||
| He's too tough for his own good. | ||
| That's the case with a lot of warriors. | ||
| I support these guys' choice to do what they want to do always. | ||
| If a doctor says you can't fight, then you don't fight. | ||
| If your family talks to you and gives you advice and you don't want to take it, you don't have to take it. | ||
| It's a free society we live in. | ||
| You can eat as much sugar and fat as you want to eat. | ||
| You can smoke as many cigarettes as you want to smoke. | ||
| You can do as much heroin and cocaine. | ||
| No, hold on. | ||
| Until you have brain damage or you have brain trauma, which can cause you to be impulsive and make decisions that maybe you're not. | ||
| It's part of the game. | ||
| That's what you signed up for. | ||
| What I'm saying is that your team should try to protect you from yourself. | ||
| If they would have stopped that fight, if Greg Jackson would have stopped it right there, that would have been... | ||
| You're talking a former fighter. | ||
| Donald, that could have fucked their relationship up. | ||
| Maybe Donald would have said, why the fuck did you stop that guy all night, all weekend? | ||
| You never know. | ||
| I think he was out on a stool. | ||
| I think he was out on a stool. | ||
| He looked like he was delirious. | ||
| I think he got hit. | ||
| If we go back to that first round, the end of that first round, he got hit fucking hard, man. | ||
| Someone needs to sit down and go, what do you want to do? | ||
| What do you want to do? | ||
| Do you want to be known as the cowboy in a bar 20 years from now? | ||
| Like, that guy fought everyone all the time. | ||
| That was awesome, man. | ||
| Or do you want to be known as a world fucking champion? | ||
| Stop doing this bullshit. | ||
| You already said this, but Eddie, I think that what you're saying is true. | ||
| But I think what you're saying is true, too. | ||
| What you're saying is true is guys have come back from that. | ||
| But what he's saying is guys don't come back from that if they take the kind of beating that they took just six weeks ago. | ||
| And it's something that goes against kind of what Donald's been saying. | ||
| Because Donald's been saying that he doesn't spar anymore in his camps. | ||
| And one of the reasons why he doesn't spar anymore is because he took too much fucking punishment and he'd go into these fights already damaged. | ||
| Donald. | ||
| He does drills now. | ||
| He does almost primarily drills. | ||
| And when he spars, if he does it all, they do it like Thai style where they're just touching each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, he's working on his timing. | ||
| He knows how to fight already. | ||
| He already knows he's tough. | ||
| There's no questions. | ||
| So, it's all just about getting your timing and your endurance down. | ||
| So, I think you're right. | ||
| Like, guys have come back from getting hit like that. | ||
| Like, Frankie Edgar against Graham Mader. | ||
| Came back to stop him. | ||
| It's happened a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's happened a bunch of times. | ||
| Sometimes it doesn't. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| But I think he's right, too. | ||
| Because I think that that fight from six weeks ago, that was a war. | ||
| With a killer. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| He was in a war with a killer. | ||
| People forget that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We know, because we see the highlight of him murking Matt Brown with a head kick, but it's like, before that, it was a close fight. | ||
| He got dropped. | ||
| He did get dropped. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| In the end, whether you're his coach, you're his best friend, you're his family member, you say what you feel, and then he's going to decide. | ||
| See, I don't agree with that. | ||
| I think his coaches should go, listen, we know you want to fight to the death. | ||
| But the logical thing here is, don't fight in Denver against the No. | ||
| 15 guy. | ||
| Let's wait. | ||
| Let's fight the No. | ||
| 4 guy. | ||
| And then you get a title shot. | ||
| Let's do that. | ||
| I agree with you that that would be the most intelligent thing to do. | ||
| But there's a big fight coming up in Denver. | ||
| If Cowboy did get a fight against a guy who could win, he could beat, and he did win in Denver... | ||
| He would have been a hero, right? | ||
| He's already a hero. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| So he beats the number 15 guy. | ||
| He wanted to feel it again. | ||
| He wanted to feel it again. | ||
| So he beat Masvidal. | ||
| At 170, it's different. | ||
| He's fighting number 14 at 170 because he's new to 170. He's ranked number 5. Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| At 170 in the world. | ||
| He's pretty close to a title shot. | ||
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You got me there. | |
| I will say this, though. | ||
| The upside to being a UFC champion or a fighter, the upside is the most amazing feeling ever. | ||
| Getting your hands raised, knocking someone out on the octagon. | ||
| Pace scale, too. | ||
| No, it's the upside. | ||
| It's the greatest, I'm sure. | ||
| I've never fought, but I'm sure. | ||
| When those guys, when Chuck Liddell wins, it's like you're the king of the world. | ||
| In the UFC championship, that's the upside. | ||
| You're going to have a feeling that very few people taste. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Like when Chuck Liddell throw his arms back. | ||
| Yeah, the ultimate glory. | ||
| The downside is to get there. | ||
| Man, it's a lot of risky shit. | ||
| That's why this sport is so big because it's so much risk. | ||
| The sport will never grow if everyone thinks that way. | ||
| We don't need the sport to grow. | ||
| This sport is fine. | ||
| It doesn't need to grow. | ||
| Guys like Conor McGregor who's going, I'm not taking that fight. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm not doing that. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm going to wait and do this. | ||
| Well, he got big with doing the UFC program and now he's beyond that and he's going beyond that. | ||
| He's growing the sport. | ||
| I think... | ||
| At this point, in the beginning of the UFC, we always had to be careful how you explain the fights and the rules and how everything was broken down. | ||
| But now it doesn't matter. | ||
| The UFC is so big, we don't have to, like, oh, we want the sport to be huge. | ||
| It's already huge. | ||
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Right? | |
| It's already fucking huge. | ||
| You've got to go to another level, though. | ||
| This is a crazy level, man. | ||
| It's on Fox. | ||
| I mean, it's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it is a crazy level, but I think the Conor McGregor is taking it to the next level, and it's going to go one level above that. | ||
| I think it's going to continue to grow. | ||
| And it's not by taking stupid fights and just never becoming world champions. | ||
| It's about being professional, and I think if you did look at it in a professional manner, I agree with Brendan, but I also agree with Eddie. | ||
| We're both right, Brendan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there's no... | ||
| Depends on your fighter. | ||
| Because here's the thing. | ||
| Conor McGregor took the fight with Nate Diaz on very fucking short notice. | ||
| 11 days. | ||
| Takes an 11 days notice to fight. | ||
| Fights at 70. You know, doesn't cut any weight at all when he's supposed to be fighting at 55 for the title. | ||
| Takes a giant chance and winds up losing. | ||
| So you're right and you're wrong. | ||
| That's part of what made the legend of Conor McGregor that he's willing to do something so fucking crazy. | ||
| But now he's in this stratospheric position where dads come up to me at my fucking kid's school and they want to talk to me about that crazy Irish guy. | ||
| Just him, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, no one wants to talk to me about Ron anymore. | ||
| They don't know who the fuck Francis Ngannou is. | ||
| Don't give a fuck either. | ||
| They will. | ||
| They will. | ||
| Guarantee you. | ||
| Francis? | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| I bought that tonight. | ||
| The heavyweights are always the scariest. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| That guy keeps murking people. | ||
| He keeps murking people like that. | ||
| He murks people, gets a personality, then he got something. | ||
| He's a Tyson-like character. | ||
| There have been a lot of guys like that. | ||
| He's Chad Congo. | ||
| He's Chad Congo. | ||
| I can name a few. | ||
| I don't want to name a few. | ||
| I want to see him screaming in French. | ||
| Stop getting him to talk in English. | ||
| I want you to scream in French. | ||
| And I want him to grab his cock and, like, ring him out. | ||
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And scream in French. | |
| That is a super athlete. | ||
| That is a rare, rare athlete with some serious fucking ability and mindset. | ||
| He's got a destroyer's mindset. | ||
| That guy has all the tools to be a world champion. | ||
| But can he get by a guy like Kane? | ||
| And Stipe and Junior Dos Santos. | ||
| What we just saw was the right way Kane's going to try to press you. | ||
| At least it used to. | ||
| Double jab overhand right. | ||
| Still, it's the right idea. | ||
| You know he's coming towards you. | ||
| Instead of straight back and roll the shoulder out on an angle, you still need to... | ||
| Catch him coming in. | ||
| You're talking about night and day. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| But it's the concept. | ||
| You go back to Kane and fought Noguera. | ||
| There was no one like him ever before. | ||
| I just feel like his body just can't. | ||
| Remember that rematch? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| What the fuck are we talking about? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He beat the fucking brakes. | ||
| Dose. | ||
| Twice. | ||
| Twice. | ||
| JDS has never been the same. | ||
| Never. | ||
| Never been the same. | ||
| Never been the same. | ||
| Well, the amount of damage that he took in those fights was catastrophic. | ||
| And you just... | ||
| He had a pace that no one could fuck with. | ||
| You couldn't keep up with it. | ||
| He just would keep it on you over and over and over again. | ||
| But his body just does not seem like he can handle that kind of... | ||
| He's had a lot of fights, though. | ||
| Even if it were to stop right now, to me, he's still the greatest UFC heavyweight of all time. | ||
| Yes, I agree. | ||
| But I feel like he could have been the greatest, greatest of all time. | ||
| The only one who's right up there with him is Fedor. | ||
| And you've got to give the nod to Fedor based on Kane's most recent fights. | ||
| You look at him losing to Verdum, you're like, man, you've got to kind of... | ||
| When you look at it on paper, Fedor during his heyday was something special. | ||
| Verdun beat Fedor, though. | ||
| And that was like a legit Fedor, too. | ||
| Not really. | ||
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Kind of legit. | |
| He was the first guy to do it, though. | ||
| His own coaches were already talking about his lack of preparation after the Brett Rodgers fight. | ||
| Yeah, that's easy to say, but we really didn't see any. | ||
| No, the South 3 won. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| He beat Brett Rogers and his own coach was saying that he went up and he used his old tricks, but he didn't prepare correctly. | ||
| It's Brett Rogers. | ||
| No one did. | ||
| Yeah, but that was the beginning. | ||
| He's homeless now, fucking dudes. | ||
| You know that? | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm trying to fuck dudes. | ||
| Brett Rogers got arrested. | ||
| He's trying to fuck dudes in the ass. | ||
| And he's homeless. | ||
| And then went to prison. | ||
| He's doing the same shit. | ||
| So he got arrested after kind of touching two guys. | ||
| And then they sent him to prison. | ||
| And then in jail, he was accused of touching his mate. | ||
| Yeah, no shit. | ||
| He knocks him out and then fucks him. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Can you imagine him being your fucking cellmate in Watts, Brett Rodgers? | |
| God damn it. | ||
| Good timing. | ||
| He's the biggest guy I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| I remember interviewing him with, and I'm not a tall man, but holding my hand straight up in the air to interview him. | ||
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When Fedor hit him with the fucking haymaker right hand. | |
| You ever see the animated GIF where his head goes flying off? | ||
| No! | ||
| His head goes flying off and it slams against the camera and creates this big splatter. | ||
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He hit him so fucking hard. | |
| What did you guys think of the Tito tail fight? | ||
| It was a legit fight, for sure. | ||
| Anybody saying that it was a work, they're looking at slow motion, they're saying that Tito motioned. | ||
| If you speed it up to real time, the fight was going on, it's like this. | ||
| He's trying to hand fight. | ||
| Yeah, he's trying to figure out what to do, whether he could tuck his chin, whether he could move. | ||
| And by the way, you've got to recognize that Tito's had serious fucking neck surgery. | ||
| He's got fused discs in his neck. | ||
| So if he gets a little sketchy, if someone's grabbing his neck, understand why. | ||
| But it's just, you know, it was a bigger, stronger guy who got a hold. | ||
| There's the... | ||
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Look at this. | |
| Eddie, look up there. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Hold on, watch this again. | ||
| It comes at you. | ||
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Kadoosh! | |
| That is the craziest animated GIF file. | ||
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That shit is so sick. | |
| Is that the hardest right hand of all time? | ||
| Dude, the fucking internet is amazing. | ||
| Actually, look at the way his back foot comes off. | ||
| See the way his back foot? | ||
| It's actually a pitch. | ||
| McGregor's left hand, when it's done right, is the same thing. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| Turning punch. | ||
| It's an overhand pitch. | ||
| He pushes off of it and just wings it with the momentum. | ||
| You're so explosive. | ||
| Remember his countdown videos? | ||
| It was like him in the mountains with fucking big logs and shit. | ||
| Doing just brushing shit. | ||
| You remember when he fought... | ||
| What the fuck's his name? | ||
| Tim Sylvia. | ||
| When you fucked up Tim Sylvia in Affliction? | ||
| In a minute. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That was Tim Sylvia. | ||
| That was when Tim Sylvia was Tim Sylvia. | ||
| That was the Wild Wild West where everyone was doing everything. | ||
| Tim Sylvia's basically seven foot with a great jab and great takedown defense. | ||
| People forget about Tim Sylvia. | ||
| They paid him six or seven hundred thousand dollars for that minute, Tim Sylvia. | ||
| It's a good payday to get clobber knockered. | ||
| But I think that, like, if you go back to the Tim Sylvia that fought Rico Rodriguez, that was my favorite Tim Sylvia. | ||
| Tim Sylvia had all the steroids. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Everything they had. | ||
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Huge shoulders. | |
| Giant. | ||
| Killer ass. | ||
| See if you can find that, Jamie. | ||
| Pull up Tim Sylvia vs. | ||
| Rico Rodriguez. | ||
| And Tim, if you listen to me right now and you're mad at me, you know I'm a fan, but you know you're on the shit, so shut up! | ||
| Shut the fuck up, buddy. | ||
|
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I think he admitted it. | |
| You know I love you. | ||
| I think he admitted it. | ||
| He got caught! | ||
| We're not breaking any news here. | ||
| Maybe it was a diuretic. | ||
| He was so scary, though, when he was juiced up. | ||
| He was so scary. | ||
| Can you imagine fighting that guy when he was back juiced up? | ||
| Those were the days of a different world. | ||
| Was he juiced when he fought Noguera? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| We should watch that fight after. | ||
| The testing got significantly harder over and over. | ||
| Yeah, a little loosey-goosey. | ||
| Not like now. | ||
| Definitely not like now. | ||
| Now you take a fucking caffeine pill like you should spend for six years. | ||
| When would they test you back then? | ||
| Night after the fight. | ||
| They had a few randoms they did occasionally back then. | ||
| Like Alistair got busted, remember? | ||
| Alistair got busted on a random. | ||
| You know, dudes got busted on randoms. | ||
| The commission would test you? | ||
| Yeah, well they started ramping it up right around the time they decided that this testosterone replacement therapy thing was going on. | ||
| Dude, he was so jacked. | ||
| See if you can find the video, Jamie. | ||
| Even his face is muscular. | ||
| What's that, buddy? | ||
| Dude, he looked great back then. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Oh my god, he was jacked. | ||
| He said he took the steroids because they teased him about his body at the gym. | ||
| Yeah, he said he wanted a six-pack. | ||
| He kept saying he was going to have a six-pack. | ||
| He kept telling me. | ||
| I go, dude, you don't need a six-pack. | ||
| You're smashing people. | ||
| Six-packs aren't for everyone. | ||
| You don't need to. | ||
| But he was jacked back then. | ||
| He didn't have a bad body. | ||
| Dude, he did everything to get the fans to love. | ||
| Remember, he came out to... | ||
| I forget what he came out. | ||
| He came out to... | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| No, he came out to Jesus Walks. | ||
| And then he would get on the mic and they'd be booing me like, I'm doing it for the troops! | ||
| And he came out with the American flag. | ||
| He did everything. | ||
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You can't. | |
| You check it off, people are going to love this. | ||
| And they still just didn't do it. | ||
| Wear the jersey and the town. | ||
| Yeah, he did everything. | ||
| But you can't beg for it. | ||
| You can't beg for people to like you. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| People just... | ||
| Because you look like a big bully, I guess? | ||
| Tim Sylvia's entrance. | ||
| Sylvia versus Vera. | ||
| Brandon Vera. | ||
| That was back when Brandon Vera was a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Remember when Brandon Vera got on the mic after knocking out Frank Merrill? | ||
| He was like, I'm going to be light, heavyweight champ, and heavyweight champ. | ||
| He pioneered that Conor McGregor thing. | ||
| And then they signed a shitload. | ||
| He got paid. | ||
| Well, it took a long time before he got paid. | ||
| He was out for a long time. | ||
| But here's the other thing that happened. | ||
| He stopped training with Rob Kamen. | ||
| That was a big factor in his early success, is that he was training with one of the greatest kickboxers of all time. | ||
| And Rob Kamen is so technical. | ||
| I trained with Rob for quite a bit when I was supposed to do that Wesley Snipes thing. | ||
| I did all my striking with Rob Kamen. | ||
| And, dude, I was... | ||
| I had an understanding of like how people set things up and systems and systems that they struck under but I had no idea that there was someone out there that had that kind of depth to their thought process behind striking because all we would do four days a week was get together and talk strategy and technique and striking and he would explain things to me and then we would hit pads and then after we hit pads like two days a week I'd spar with somebody. | ||
| Dude, Rob Kamen is a bad motherfucker, man. | ||
| His techniques and his strategy and the way he breaks things down. | ||
| Mastermind. | ||
| He's genius, man. | ||
| It makes you really, truly appreciate when you would watch his fights now. | ||
| You'd see all the shit that he's setting up. | ||
| We don't have to hold him on the table anymore. | ||
| It's legal now. | ||
| That must have been awesome. | ||
| Joe, being able to do that with Rob Cameron, that must have been amazing. | ||
| Tell Joe who you want to do that with. | ||
| He's going to go study Matt Hume. | ||
| That's smart, too. | ||
| Matt Hume's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| I think he's the best coach in the game. | ||
| He has the best fighter in the game, and I think he's got the big picture. | ||
| He puts the whole thing together. | ||
| He is the strength and conditioning coach. | ||
| He's the everything. | ||
| And because of that, he can periodize everything properly. | ||
| So you're not sending your guy over to another guy unsure of when he's tired or what he's doing on a schedule. | ||
| He schedules it all. | ||
| And Demetrius actually trains a little bit less than everybody else. | ||
| He rests more. | ||
| That's very smart. | ||
| Well, the thing about a guy like Matt Hume is he's also got physical capabilities that mirror world-class fighters. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, he can fight. | ||
| Like, really fight. | ||
| You watch his fight with Pat Miletic? | ||
| Way back in the day, he fucked up Pat Miletic. | ||
| He was, like, one of the first super high-level guys, like, super early on. | ||
| Hey, Brian? | ||
| Are you in the bathroom? | ||
| Are you in the kitchen, rather, buddy? | ||
| Can you get me one of them kambuchas? | ||
| One of them, um... | ||
| One of them kambuchas? | ||
| Kambuchas. | ||
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Kambuchas? | |
| I'll go with those. | ||
|
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I'm good. | |
| One in his jammy? | ||
| Um, yeah, he's a wizard, man. | ||
| And he's seen it all. | ||
| He was a judge back in the glory days of pride. | ||
| He never fought in the UFC, but easily could have. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Easily, easily could have. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| I called some of his fights over in Pancreas and stuff. | ||
| I've broken him down from old fights. | ||
| There was one of them where he was riding this guy's hip and just spent the whole fight back here. | ||
| And at the time, it was just... | ||
| He was so out of character, and I broke it down, and then I saw him, and he's like, yeah, thanks for doing that. | ||
| That was really nice. | ||
| I'm like, cool. | ||
| I said, how'd you do that? | ||
| And just matter of factly, he's like, well, I knew he didn't understand this particular kind of freestyle wrestling, so I just designed the entire thing about doing something he didn't understand. | ||
| He's brilliant. | ||
| Which was so natural to him. | ||
| Also, his dad trained with Bruce Lee. | ||
| Or Dan Inosanto. | ||
| So Bruce Lee to Dan Inosanto to Matt's dad. | ||
| Like the lineage is still super legit. | ||
| He's so smart. | ||
| So I asked him if I could come and just stay in a cheap hotel nearby and come shadow him for 10 or 12 days on my own for my own cost and for vacation. | ||
| I said I'd clean the gym and whatever I could do to help. | ||
| And he said, yeah, I'm not opposed to it. | ||
| Just circle back. | ||
| Damn, he's gonna make you clean the gym? | ||
| I offered. | ||
| You shouldn't have offered that, bro. | ||
| You gotta start slow. | ||
| You gotta start slow. | ||
| Give me a couple bucks. | ||
| Oh, you don't need to. | ||
| Oh, thanks, man. | ||
|
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Cool, dawg. | |
| Let me get you lunch. | ||
| Don't go to that. | ||
| You went zero to 100. Yeah, I'll go social media on you. | ||
| I'll put some Instagram posts on your gym. | ||
| I'll do a breakdown every fucking day of all this stuff. | ||
| Videotape them. | ||
| I want to do a piece on you. | ||
| I told him I would document it if he didn't mind, but I don't need that. | ||
| I want new inspiration. | ||
| I said maybe February, maybe March. | ||
| When Mighty Mouse is in camp? | ||
| That's when you should be there. | ||
| How often are you training? | ||
| Three times a week. | ||
| Are you doing MMA training? | ||
| Do you do jiu-jitsu, kickboxing? | ||
| Powerlifting and strength and conditioning. | ||
| And strength and conditioning, I'm always trying to customize it with my coach, Paul, to mimic what I'm seeing guys do. | ||
| So, you know, everybody was moving, so I had to start to understand agility and direction change and stuff like that. | ||
| So customize strength and conditioning for things that I'm trying to understand concepts. | ||
| And I'll do jiu-jitsu once a week. | ||
| I have a kickboxing coach, Evan Boris, who is one of Henry's guys, Henry Hoof's guys. | ||
| He's up in Toronto. | ||
| He's really good. | ||
| And he's a good friend. | ||
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Where did Henry go? | |
| In Florida? | ||
| I don't know what he's going to do. | ||
| And a lot of those athletes just went with him right away. | ||
| He's the gem of that. | ||
| He's the heart of the Black Saints. | ||
| He's the real thing there. | ||
| He's as good as it gets, man. | ||
| And, you know, so it's weird political shit. | ||
| When you put really smart, talented people all together, if they don't have the exact same vision, some weird shit will happen. | ||
| It's a chemistry thing. | ||
| You can't just throw in it. | ||
| It's like the pro ball. | ||
| You can't just... | ||
| I hope all these guys get along. | ||
| There's too many egos. | ||
| That's why Jackson Winklejohn is so unusual. | ||
| Those guys gel together so well. | ||
| And AK. AK is a good example, too. | ||
| Mike Brown is so cool, man. | ||
| Greg Jackson is definitely one of the most humble guys in the game. | ||
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Ever. | |
| He has zero... | ||
| He's like Marcelo Garcia. | ||
| Zero shit-talking. | ||
| Also, I think that if you run a gym together... | ||
| Eddie, you and I could run a gym together. | ||
| Because we know each other so well. | ||
| We've been such good friends for so long. | ||
| We could run a gym together easy. | ||
| You and I would have no problem. | ||
| We might disagree about some shit, but we disagree about shit all the time. | ||
| We never have a problem. | ||
| You see one way, I see another way, but we would talk about things. | ||
| We could actually run a gym. | ||
| And I couldn't imagine we would have a problem at all. | ||
| I couldn't foresee anything that we couldn't work out. | ||
| Let's do an MMA show. | ||
| Yeah, be fun as fuck, dude. | ||
| In a soccer field. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Rash guards mandatory. | ||
| I'm fucking out. | ||
| I think the soccer field is a great idea. | ||
| Do that and have that Halleck and that other guy fight on a big soccer field. | ||
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I like that. | |
| It would be easy. | ||
| I like that fight, man. | ||
| I don't give a fuck what anybody says. | ||
| And props to Halleck Gracie. | ||
| Props to Halleck Gracie. | ||
| I love the fact that you didn't just take a fight after a long time off. | ||
| You took a fight to pay your debts. | ||
| You took a chance with Metamorris. | ||
| I think it's a big thing to take a chance. | ||
| All the criticisms aside, which I'm sure he would agree many of them are valid, that fucking guy took a fight to pay his debts. | ||
| And he took a chance to start Metamorris in the first place. | ||
| It's not an easy thing to do, but to give jiu-jitsu, professional jiu-jitsu, a platform and a high-profile platform and get guys like Eddie to fight guys like Hoyler, get all the guys that he got to fight. | ||
| He put on some very, very good shows. | ||
| Josh Barnett. | ||
| He had some really good high-level guys, and I think it elevated the profile of jiu-jitsu. | ||
| And then to go in there with that... | ||
| How do you say his name? | ||
| Sasaki Kato? | ||
| Yeah, Kato. | ||
| Kato. | ||
| It's not Kato. | ||
| It's Kato, right? | ||
| That guy is a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He's a dangerous, legitimate striker. | ||
| He's knocked out Joe Schilling twice. | ||
| Not only does Halle fight him, he doesn't get hurt. | ||
| He doesn't get hurt. | ||
| He goes three fucking rounds, and he mounts him. | ||
| He mounts him. | ||
| He's dominating him in the last minute of the last round. | ||
| I don't give a fuck what anybody says. | ||
| That's what I like about jiu-jitsu. | ||
| That's what I like about martial arts. | ||
| When I see a fight like that, I like it. | ||
| That fight was fucking terrible for me. | ||
| I'm glad you guys liked it, though. | ||
| I'm saying have that on a football field, though. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| You gotta get him! | ||
| There would be no fight. | ||
| Where did the fight go to the ground? | ||
| Did they collide with the cage at all? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Yeah, I don't even remember. | ||
| It was against the cage. | ||
| Yeah, it was against the cage. | ||
| So we take that cage away. | ||
| Actually, it's a lot tougher for Halleck with no cage. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| It's tougher for everybody. | ||
| But it's tougher for Kato to hit him too. | ||
| Can't corner him either. | ||
| You can move away. | ||
| You get zero action. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| Good, good, good, good. | ||
| Combat Sombo is never in a cage. | ||
| Combat Sombo is proven that it actually does work. | ||
| And there's no obstruction. | ||
| When there's not a wall or a cage, there's no reason to go to the outside. | ||
| There's plenty of room. | ||
| It doesn't have to be a football feed. | ||
| A basketball court is plenty of fucking room. | ||
| I like what happened. | ||
| The combat will evolve around the playing surface, the rules, the everything. | ||
| And having that cage made some beautiful martial arts, though. | ||
| All the combat against the cage is beautiful. | ||
| It is, but it's better when there's no other thing there. | ||
| There's no other factor. | ||
| It's just two fighters with their bodies. | ||
| It's a sport when there's a cage. | ||
| You can eliminate, but it's a sport when there's no cage. | ||
| You can eliminate a factor, but you can eliminate a factor. | ||
| It's still not just a fight, because there's no head busts, no eye gouges, no ground strikes, no shots in the back of the head. | ||
| Same rules. | ||
| Same rules with no cage. | ||
| Unified rules of MMA. Cage is not necessary. | ||
| It would be terrible to watch. | ||
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Who pissed at your cornflakes this morning? | |
| How the fuck would you keep up with? | ||
| I'm not negative. | ||
| I like the way it is. | ||
| I love the way it is. | ||
| There's nothing wrong with it. | ||
| Who loves the way it is more than I do? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I do it professionally. | ||
| You just want it on a football field. | ||
| I want it on a basketball court. | ||
| See, we're making improvement. | ||
| It went from football to basketball. | ||
| You know the audience on a basketball court? | ||
| The audience would have to look at the screen the whole time. | ||
| The audience here, if you're on the floor, you think you've got good seats on the floor. | ||
| You've got terrible seats if you're on the floor. | ||
| The 200 people on the floor? | ||
| The good seats are the risers. | ||
| You can't see shit from the floor. | ||
| But Eddie, here's the thing. | ||
| In a basketball court, there's no floor. | ||
| So all that shit that you see that's floor, that would all be risers. | ||
| So everything is risers. | ||
| In a basketball? | ||
| Fuck the floor. | ||
| Oh, dude, it would be perfect. | ||
| It'd be perfect. | ||
| It'd be great. | ||
| But we did get something awesome. | ||
| Start it up. | ||
| Eddie and I are going to form an organization. | ||
| Going to make everyone wear rash guards, too. | ||
| Mandatory. | ||
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Love it. | |
| No greasing. | ||
| It eliminates the greasing problem. | ||
| People are greasing all the time. | ||
| There's nobody checking. | ||
| It's illegal, but there are no tests for it. | ||
| So there's a big problem there. | ||
| Anytime some guy fights a black belt in jiu-jitsu, of course he's going to grease. | ||
| No one's checking. | ||
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They do check, but you can't really check. | |
| No one's getting busted. | ||
| They're not swabbing their backs. | ||
| There's Vaseline all over your face. | ||
| Sports always change rules and add things to increase the offense. | ||
| They never change shit to increase the defense. | ||
| For the entertainment value. | ||
| The NFL does it. | ||
| NBA does it. | ||
| They're trying to increase the offense. | ||
| Baseball does it, too. | ||
| They do it. | ||
| They're doing a shot clock for the pitchers. | ||
| And more offense in fighting... | ||
| It's more knockouts and more submissions. | ||
| The more submissions, the more awesome submissions, people love them, the better for the sport. | ||
| When guys are greasing up and there's no test, and the easy way to fix that, have them wear rash guards. | ||
| Have them wear what Juliana Peña's wearing. | ||
| No big deal. | ||
| It's not a problem. | ||
| Why is it a problem to wear rash guards? | ||
| Girls wear rash guards all the time. | ||
| Because they can't have their titties out. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Right, but do you think that they should cover their arms? | ||
| Should they be able to cover their arms and legs? | ||
| Aoki tights? | ||
| Yeah, tights. | ||
| That's an advantage, though. | ||
| What an advantage is more offense, dude. | ||
| That's what we're talking about. | ||
| Tweaking shit for more offense. | ||
| It eliminates the grease. | ||
| Round one, Shevchenko versus Peña. | ||
| 454, 453, 452, 451, 450. The more grease, the less submissions. | ||
| It's real simple. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| So this is a really interesting fight here. | ||
| Shevchenko is one of the best fucking strikers in MMA, period. | ||
| Any man, woman, whatever. | ||
| She's super solid. | ||
| And that check right hook that she kept nailing Holly Holm with? | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| Excellent footwork. | ||
| Super strong Muay Thai. | ||
| She's more decorated than Ioana and Holly. | ||
| She beat Ioana in kickboxing. | ||
| Yeah, she beat Ioana. | ||
| She's a lot bigger. | ||
| And now she's about to strip her way out of here. | ||
| She's going across the face. | ||
| She's way more bulked up now than then, I believe. | ||
| Yeah, they were the same weight when they fought B. Wow. | ||
| She's making good choices here against the fence. | ||
| Everyone agrees that she's got to take her down, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've got to take Shevchenko down. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| What if she can't... | ||
| She's going to get knocked out. | ||
| What is she going to do? | ||
| She's going to get knocked out. | ||
| What's next? | ||
| We're going to see. | ||
| We're going to see because this is her whole strategy. | ||
| Juliana is tough as fuck. | ||
| She's very strong, but she's not a striker in the realm of Shevchenko. | ||
| The skill discrepancy is massive. | ||
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Massive. | |
| They're not the same plan. | ||
| She's going to be defensive to close the distance, and then this is what she's going to concentrate on. | ||
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And it's going great. | |
| Knees the body. | ||
| Pena's all heart. | ||
| She's got great takedowns. | ||
| And that was a great choice. | ||
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She's a judo black belt. | |
| She's going to let that happen. | ||
| Why would she stop that? | ||
| She's a judo black belt. | ||
| That could have been just a ploy to get the fight to the ground. | ||
| Because a lot of people are saying, oh, Pena in the clinch is going to whoop her ass. | ||
| I'm like, she's a judo black belt. | ||
| Her inside trips and her hips are ridiculous. | ||
| Another reason to pull guard. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| She's also super physically strong. | ||
| Pena's doing all the right stuff, though. | ||
| Go chest to chest fully. | ||
| But that's also the thing, man. | ||
| Pena's whole deal is on the ground, being on the ground. | ||
| And on the ground, she's super solid. | ||
| But when you're dealing with a woman who's a judo black belt and a nasty kickboxer, boy, you got a weird room to move in. | ||
| You got a tough fucking fight. | ||
| You do. | ||
| It seems like the smart thing to do is don't waste all your energy. | ||
| Just pull guard. | ||
| This is a pretty smart thing to do, too, though. | ||
| She's blasting her with knees to the body. | ||
| It ain't bad if she could pull it off. | ||
| People forget Shevchenko. | ||
| A lot of people think the Amanda Nunes fight, it was only three rounds. | ||
| If it was five, Shevchenko probably wins that fight. | ||
| Hey, here's a pervert question. | ||
| Has any girl ever gone down from a shot to the twat? | ||
| Girl, I... And will they show the replay? | ||
| Because when dudes get kicked in the balls, they show it in slow motion. | ||
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She took it down again. | |
| But she's got that great timing on the trip. | ||
| What about a kick to the titty? | ||
| She's not resisting. | ||
| The feet aren't even on the ground now. | ||
| She's not resisting the takedown. | ||
| No, she's just getting tripped. | ||
| She's throwing knees and she's getting tripped. | ||
| She wants it on the ground. | ||
| And Shevchenko hasn't been regarded once or even close to it. | ||
| She's just crowding her. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's smart with Shevchenko. | ||
| But at this point, if Juliana could recover a half guard and if she's got half guard game or butterfly game or full guard game, she's just got to recover. | ||
| She's trying to slide in and get some kind of guard back. | ||
| She's got the chin across. | ||
| She could just stand up and back out. | ||
| She's got to hold on to her. | ||
| She's got to hold on to her. | ||
| She's physically fucking strong, man. | ||
| She's like a coil, like a steel coil. | ||
| She's got her in three-quarter guard now, so she's good. | ||
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Is it legal to strike the breasts? | |
| I mean, it should be. | ||
| You can't strike... | ||
| A woman's not wearing genital protection at all, right? | ||
| Yeah, they are. | ||
| Yeah, they got a cup. | ||
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A cup? | |
| No! | ||
| What kind of a cup? | ||
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Women? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Chastity belt. | ||
| Do they? | ||
| Yeah, they wear a cup, right? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Are you saying right, or do you know? | ||
| I'm pretty sure they do. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| Young Jamie, can you please look that up? | ||
| I think that's optional. | ||
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Why would you? | |
| It doesn't look like they're wearing a cup. | ||
| Well, because that's what I'm saying. | ||
| If you got hit with a knee to the clitoris... | ||
| I'm sorry for calling a twaddle earlier, ladies. | ||
| I was just doing it for comedic effect. | ||
| But if you do get hit in your vagina with a knee strike or a kick, I've got to think that's going to be very painful. | ||
| We haven't seen it as painful as a testicle. | ||
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I've never seen it. | |
| Like where a girl just buckles and goes, oh, like some dudes do. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like when Vanderlei got kicked by Gilbert Iville, he stopped the fight. | ||
| Kicked him right out of the nut. | ||
| Guy, can you punch to the titties? | ||
| Like, could you just start elbowing to the tits? | ||
| I don't think you can. | ||
| I think the breasts are off-limit. | ||
| In California, you can. | ||
| Has anyone got over those rules? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| California. | ||
| I don't think it's been discussed. | ||
| Joe, I heard you say before that if groin shots were legal, guys wouldn't be going down like this, and I agree with you 100%. | ||
| You would become acclimatized to it. | ||
| There's entire martial arts developed so that you don't take... | ||
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Look at this. | |
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| See, she has a shot here. | ||
| Even if she pulls out, she has a chance. | ||
| That's where her chance is. | ||
| She should swim and take her to spiderweb right here. | ||
| Put that shin behind. | ||
| She's never putting the shin behind the head. | ||
| She's got to keep that deep hook. | ||
| Her hook isn't deep enough. | ||
| She's going to lose it. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| What the fuck you doing? | ||
| She got taken down. | ||
| And landed inside control. | ||
| And that was still good for her. | ||
| All she had to do is recover piece by piece, inch by inch. | ||
| Look, she ended almost in armbar. | ||
| That's where she has... | ||
| She needs to keep doing that. | ||
| She's not resisting the takedown. | ||
| She's letting her take him down. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| She wants to fight on the ground. | ||
| I'm sure she does. | ||
| She's losing, but she's getting slammed. | ||
| She got slammed. | ||
| But she had a chance. | ||
| She would have definitely lost if she would have just stayed with her. | ||
| But here's my question. | ||
| When men fight, they don't have them wear any specific type of cup, right? | ||
| They don't tell them you have to wear compression shorts. | ||
| You get checked at the front. | ||
| You have to at least show your weight. | ||
| You just have to have a regular job with a cup. | ||
| Those are bullshit. | ||
| Those are stupid. | ||
| Okay, it says, what does it say, Jane? | ||
| Male. | ||
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Female mixed martial art prohibited from wearing groin protection. | |
| I did not know that, but imagine on the armbar. | ||
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It's for ratings. | |
| Look at this. | ||
| Female mixed martial artists wear a chest protector? | ||
| That's some bullshit. | ||
| That wear a chest protector. | ||
| Shall wear a chest protector during competition. | ||
| Do they mean those sports bras? | ||
| The chest protector shall be subject to approval by the commission? | ||
| So they can't have a hard one? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| What kind of chest protector are these girls wearing? | ||
| What state is this, Jamie? | ||
| That's the UFC. No kidding. | ||
| So they're wearing some padding over their nipples or something. | ||
| It's subtle, whatever it is. | ||
| Like a knee pad. | ||
| But look how rugged Shevchenko is off that. | ||
| She's a brute. | ||
| She's trying to drag her down. | ||
| That might be the last attempt there. | ||
| Her core is so goddamn strong. | ||
| I mean, she tried so hard to drag her down to the ground like that, but her core is so strong, her takedowns are so strong. | ||
| It's one of the things I saw in her first UFC battle. | ||
| I was like, this girl's not just a cake boxer, man. | ||
| She's so physically strong. | ||
| When you were talking about movement, whether you train with a movement coach or you train with a different kind of strength and conditioning or something, when you can connect the upper and lower through the core so powerfully and have all the, you know, your nervous system be able to move everything together that way, It just makes you better. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And balance, man. | ||
| No one's got balance like judo players. | ||
| They're so good at shifting their hips and adjusting their balance. | ||
| Those guys are so hard to take down. | ||
| A lifetime of that. | ||
| And girls, rather. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| You get that from break dancers. | ||
| You get that from gymnasts. | ||
| You even get that from Taekwondo people. | ||
| Yoga. | ||
| Like a lot of people that are used to doing things on one leg, like throwing kicks and stuff on one leg. | ||
| A lot of times those guys can adjust really well in takedown attempts and movement. | ||
| Do you guys find that Taekwondo people play a better guard? | ||
| They just have better sophistication with their feet and their legs? | ||
| You're in a Taekwondo room, sir. | ||
| No. | ||
| The guard players have a different kind of flexibility, first of all, because the most important flexibility isn't like full splits. | ||
| The most important flexibility is groin flexibility. | ||
| It's like knee to chest, foot to face, the ability to go double lotus, to put your legs behind your head. | ||
| That's so much more critical than what you use in Taekwondo. | ||
| So the dexterity is different. | ||
| I definitely think strong legs plays a big factor. | ||
| Like, if you're grappling with anybody who's got strong legs for any reason, and then they develop the dexterity and figure out how to use them well. | ||
| Dexterous legs, yeah. | ||
| I mean, your legs carry your whole body around all day, man. | ||
| Pena's a grinder! | ||
| Gymnasts and break dancers are doing set routines and break dancers improvise. | ||
| That's why it's better for jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Gymnasts do come in and they got that You know, crazy monkey body. | ||
| Strength. | ||
| But jujitsu is about making lightning quick decisions. | ||
| And so quick that you can't actually make them yourself. | ||
| Your body's going to make the decisions based on how it was trained. | ||
| And that's it. | ||
| If you're thinking about it, you're just... | ||
| Oh, there you go! | ||
| Oh man, Penny's a grinder! | ||
| She does not give up. | ||
| That was beautiful. | ||
| And she pushes her away from the octagon too. | ||
| She's fucking tough as shit, man. | ||
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Smart as shit. | |
| She described herself, she said, I'm the hardest woman in the MMA. I don't think she said the MMA. I fucked it up. | ||
| It could be one round apiece after this one. | ||
| When you're outskilled and you're winning with heart, that's what we said going into this one. | ||
| You're fighting somebody way more skilled and experienced than you in a lot of areas, but you have more heart. | ||
| That's impressive when you can make that work. | ||
| Well, Jiu-Jitsu is better than Slovakia. | ||
| Oh, I don't know, Eddie. | ||
| I'm telling you, man. | ||
| Shevchenko has some nasty Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| She's got nasty jiu-jitsu. | ||
| And Juliana. | ||
| Does she have submission wins? | ||
| Yes, she does. | ||
| She does. | ||
| She's playing double wrist control. | ||
| Going old school. | ||
| Pay close attention to this garb, man. | ||
| Look at how she puts her head right in her head. | ||
| Strong ass legs, too. | ||
| Those kickboxing legs. | ||
| Those legs are... | ||
| They got some fucking horsepower behind them, man. | ||
| Who's expending more energy? | ||
| I have to see the work. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Here. | ||
| Who's spending... | ||
| Both of them. | ||
| Both of them are. | ||
| Both of them are. | ||
| Shevchenko's no joke, man. | ||
| No. | ||
| But she's got to ditch that ankle tattoo. | ||
| Too late. | ||
| She's gone for... | ||
| Still 1980s. | ||
| 90s, I mean. | ||
| I don't think she has the setups to tap Pena, based on what I see right here. | ||
| Unless she hurts her. | ||
| She gets posture, she lets it go, she gets it, she lets it go. | ||
| That tells me that posture's not that important to her, and if it's not, there's no way you could have a high-level guard. | ||
| Oh yeah? | ||
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Oh! | |
| Oh my god! | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| What? | ||
| Oh that's good though. | ||
| What? | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| You have to break your shit up. | ||
| I didn't want to interrupt you. | ||
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I didn't want to interrupt you Eddie but I was like this is going to be hilarious. | |
| What is that called? | ||
| What is that called? | ||
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What is that called when that happens? | |
| Wow. | ||
| Ironic? | ||
| Shade and frog? | ||
| How do you say that? | ||
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Shade and frog. | |
| Who is more wrong than me? | ||
| It's like the wrongest you could ever be. | ||
| But she was deceptive. | ||
| I just didn't know. | ||
| I just didn't know. | ||
| To me, so far, it seemed like she wasn't really attacking. | ||
| That's what I based it on, but she just went for it. | ||
| She just swung her hips and just fucking went for it. | ||
| Well, Pena got a little cocky in there. | ||
| I think she beats Nunez, man. | ||
| You think she beats Nunez? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think she would have beat her the first time if they did four rounds. | ||
| So what happened in the first fight? | ||
| Nunez won a close decision, is that what happened? | ||
| Shevchenko adapted, and by round three, she was in better shape, but also by round three, she just snapped on it. | ||
| Here's the thing about Nunez, man. | ||
| She's a nasty, vicious striker, but you are just not going to be able to tee off like that on Shevchenko. | ||
| She's not going to be there. | ||
| She's going to be standing southpaw, first of all. | ||
| She's going to be sliding off to the right. | ||
| She's always going to threaten with that checkbook. | ||
| She's going to throw nasty leg kicks. | ||
| She's going to chew your legs up. | ||
| You know, once the... | ||
| I used to commentate for Pride, Pride 10, Henzo fought Sakuraba. | ||
| I'm commentating. | ||
| I'm the color guy. | ||
| And Sakuraba has a Kimura grip on Henzo. | ||
| And my commentary was, well, that's not going to work. | ||
| I mean, it may be working. | ||
| I said, it may work on guys at his gym. | ||
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I said, it may work, but trust me, it's not going to work on Henzo. | |
| Boom! | ||
| He gets it and breaks his arm. | ||
| That's a real story. | ||
| So that was worse than that because I was actually commentating the show. | ||
| I'm telling you, you might be looking at the best women's MMA fighter in the world right there. | ||
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She's fucking good. | |
| She is, brother. | ||
| You see Amanda Nunes as a mullet? | ||
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Yep. | |
| Hey, that's her call. | ||
| It's her head. | ||
| Did you see it? | ||
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It's her call. | |
| It's her head. | ||
| No, I celebrate that. | ||
| Quote of the night. | ||
| It's her call. | ||
| It's her head. | ||
| World champ and a mullet? | ||
| Eddie, when you think about it, okay, you are one of the fucking world experts in something. | ||
| And even you can be fooled by watching that. | ||
| So when people are saying they know what's going to happen or making picks, even the highest level of expertise in the world can be deceived by what you see. | ||
| I don't know if that's a You were right up until that moment and then you saw something that made you give a bit a different perspective of it This is what I've been trying to tell people about all martial arts like when you were looking at Fedor whether looking at Kane in the moment you can have an idea of how good someone is you can have an idea of what's gonna happen if they fight somebody else but Really you never know, and really you never know how good it's going to look until the whole thing's gone down. | ||
| A perfect example is Ronda Rousey. | ||
| If you look at Ronda Rousey, Ronda, when she was dominating women, was dominating women that, let's be honest, At that stage of women's MMA, it was flourishing, it was growing, but you had Gina Carano vs Cyborg, and that was the highest expression of women's MMA before the UFC. So you have Strikeforce, | ||
| Strikeforce has some very good fights, Ronda shines, Misha shines, and then boom, they're in the UFC, and the women are sort of not, you know, you get Betch Cohea, you got Alexis Davis, you're not getting this! | ||
| This is some next level shit. | ||
| And this is what happens, man. | ||
| Just like MMA from 97, 2017 has exploded and become a totally different thing. | ||
| This is the same way. | ||
| Same with the women. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that Matt Hughes isn't one of the greatest fucking welterweights of all time. | ||
| Even though Matt Hughes maybe doesn't stack up with today. | ||
| You gotta look at the time. | ||
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He's an iPhone 1. And now he's got an iPhone 6. And at the time, iPhone 1 was sick. | |
| But compared to the fucking 7. It was fucking the best phone going. | ||
| But the world changes. | ||
| And people change. | ||
| And they change moment to moment, too. | ||
| And the truth, like, the word truth, you know, we describe things with opinions and using limited language and all of these things. | ||
| But the truth is the moment. | ||
| Of all the cliches in fucking sports, the moment of truth is the fucking best one. | ||
| You go into a fight and they say, go, that is the moment of truth. | ||
| It's fucking truth. | ||
| Can Ryzen do Cyborg versus Ronda? | ||
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No. | |
| I don't think Ronda would ever do that. | ||
| First of all, I don't think contractually she could fight outside the UFC, and I don't think she would fight outside the UFC, and I definitely don't think she'd fight Cyborg. | ||
| Eddie's trying to see people die and shit. | ||
| She retires? | ||
| You want to see people die? | ||
| That ends the contract once you retire, right? | ||
| No. | ||
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I'm retired. | |
| I'm retired. | ||
| As soon as I want to fight somewhere else, the UFC goes, cool, here's your contract. | ||
| They freeze it. | ||
| Like Walt Disney. | ||
| They freeze it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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It's true. | |
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, it's not that simple, and I don't think she would do that anyway. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, that'd be a terrible idea. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Because I think, first of all, Cyborg is probably walking around north of 190. So nice. | ||
| Are you being serious? | ||
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I'm not exaggerating. | |
| She was doing deadlifts with 300. She's mad at me, by the way. | ||
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Who? | |
| She blocked me on Twitter. | ||
| She doesn't like me either. | ||
| Cyborg, if you listen... | ||
| I'm not a hater. | ||
| I'm not a hater. | ||
| But I have to call him like I see him, good or bad. | ||
| I tweeted a long time ago that I'd like to see the UFC open a 145-pound division so Cyborg could fight the people that are her weight class. | ||
| You're welcome, Cyborg. | ||
| But I was saying that a long time ago because this is even before all the controversy where me and Tony got in trouble for joking around about her. | ||
| But this was, I was saying, like, it's crazy to try to make this girl go to 35. She's not a 35-pound fighter. | ||
| She should struggle to get to 45. Let her fight at 45 and let's see what's up. | ||
| Build it. | ||
| They will come. | ||
| They will be contented. | ||
| It's going to take a while. | ||
| Look at that fucking moment. | ||
| What are they saying right here? | ||
| What are they saying? | ||
| I'm in the middle of something. | ||
| She got upset because they're saying, you know, I'm going to fight you and I'm going to win. | ||
| And then she got mad. | ||
| They're both there. | ||
| And one laughs at the other one. | ||
| She looks like a bad guy from Commando, an 80s movie. | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Get it, girl. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| That's Russian dance. | ||
| That's Russian twerking. | ||
| There are hard people. | ||
| She's rough. | ||
| She's rough. | ||
| That's a super athlete right there. | ||
| Can we hear what she said? | ||
| Yeah, we can back it up here. | ||
| Jamie, give us some volume so we can hear that shit. | ||
| She's a badass Cossack. | ||
| But anyway, about the cyborg thing, I gotta tell the truth on both sides. | ||
| Yeah, you might have to wheel kick a bitch. | ||
| I hear you, Joe. | ||
| No! | ||
| I gotta tell the truth on both sides. | ||
| And she failed two USADA tests. | ||
| Not one, but two. | ||
| You know, one of them was from a different drug, and this one is for some diuretic that's also used as a DHT inhibitor. | ||
| This is not, like, this is public news. | ||
| Yeah, that's not gossip. | ||
| You're being fair. | ||
| It's documented. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| You know, she shouldn't have taken something that was banned, and it would have never been an issue. | ||
| But... | ||
| Let's hear this first. | ||
| I'd pay money to have her attack Tony and Brian. | ||
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What's that? | |
| What'd Brian do? | ||
| Here we go. | ||
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I said, many people asked me before the fight, Valentina, you're a striker. | |
| Juliana is a wrestler. | ||
| How are you? | ||
| How you want to deal this? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| She is. | ||
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See, she waits for the knee, and look at this trip. | |
| World class. | ||
| Yeah, I love those. | ||
| Timing, real class timing. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| And she is not the slightest. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Nice friendly smile. | ||
| God, their outfit is sick. | ||
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I'm pretty sure the next fight will be tied to the show. | |
| And I'm very excited for taking much and taking this belt. | ||
| You're not going to do it. | ||
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We're going to do it again and then we're going to finish it when we're going to prove it. | |
| Let's do it one more time. | ||
| You know, I every time said, be careful with your words because every time it will come back to you. | ||
| It is so hilarious. | ||
| It's a broken English shit talk. | ||
| This is a broken English roast battle. | ||
| It's a roast battle with broken English. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| Eddie Bravo's like, play that back. | ||
| Let's look at her dance again. | ||
| She can dance. | ||
| Oh, dude. | ||
| She's an athlete, man. | ||
| She's so goddamn powerful. | ||
| Shit-talking was so bad. | ||
| Damn, that's going to be a great fight. | ||
| All of a sudden, we're moving ahead. | ||
| We're moving forward. | ||
| Yeah, they've done it before. | ||
| We're moving forward. | ||
| Yeah, we're moving forward. | ||
| It's like they had a fight before. | ||
| That's even better. | ||
| This is a rematch. | ||
| That's even better. | ||
| No matter when it happens, you're going to get that tape and you're going to chop it up. | ||
| But what she said is so important, because what she said there is that you're seeing two real world champion-caliber mixed martial artists. | ||
| They can do everything. | ||
| Nunes is a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, choked out Misha Tate. | ||
| Hits like a tank. | ||
| Choked out Sarah McMahon. | ||
| I mean, she's a beast, dude. | ||
| She's nasty. | ||
| She's fucking power-punching. | ||
| She's a long reach. | ||
| She gets after it. | ||
| She's super dangerous. | ||
| I would fuck that cheeseburger up right now, by the way. | ||
| It looks good, right? | ||
| Right? | ||
| If only it was healthy. | ||
| That's nice wine, Brian. | ||
| We don't play around. | ||
| Brian knows his shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He knows his shit when it comes to wine. | ||
| He'll talk to a sommelier about grape locations. | ||
| Darn right I will, Bobby. | ||
| Where they grow them on the hill. | ||
| Grape locations, I will. | ||
| The weather that year. | ||
| He knows the difference between a Burgundy and a Pinot. | ||
| Well, actually, it's kind of the same. | ||
| We were talking about how people talked about wine 50 years ago. | ||
| Way different than they talk about and understand wine now. | ||
| And that's the same thing with fighting and what we see. | ||
| Those women are so much better than women's fighting was one year ago and two years ago. | ||
| Oh, fuck it. | ||
| But you're right. | ||
| The details. | ||
| Well, it's interesting how quick it happened. | ||
| It's just it took a while for them to get into the UFC, and then it took a while for them to find their place. | ||
| And then when you see someone like Ioana, it was super evident when Ioana fought Carlos Barzai and when she fought Juliana Pena. | ||
| When she fought Jessica, when she fought Jessica Pena. | ||
| Jessica Pena. | ||
| I know I always mess it up, too. | ||
| I fucked it up. | ||
| When she fought Jessica Pena, it was a murking. | ||
| It was nasty. | ||
| She was smashing her and slicing her up with elbows. | ||
| We call it nip-tuck. | ||
| She had her nose job. | ||
| It was rough. | ||
| It was rough. | ||
| And when you see that, you're like, okay, well, this didn't exist before. | ||
| When you watch those kind of lightning-fast combinations, that front kick to the face she hits those girls with, bang! | ||
| She just digs the hips in. | ||
| That nasty, long jab that she has, just super high-level striking. | ||
| And I think when you see that and you open the door to that, it's like we were talking about before about Yair. | ||
| Build it and they will come. | ||
| All these other women are going to step in and they'll fill that void and rise up to that level. | ||
| Yeah, the base level rises. | ||
| Like the base level, the average level goes up. | ||
| Am I still watching another fight? | ||
| Yeah, we could watch another fight, but that's some news. | ||
| I can't watch TV news. | ||
| No, you can't watch that. | ||
| Tim Sylvia Noguera. | ||
| Want to watch that? | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Can we get that on Fight Pass? | ||
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Love it. | |
| I think it's on Fight Pass. | ||
| See if you can find it on Fight Pass. | ||
| See if you can get Donna 5000 Kimball. | ||
| Don't. | ||
| Don't. | ||
| I don't know if that fight represented, but anytime two... | ||
| I was going to say athletes. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe you got me on this one. | ||
| Kimbo's an athlete. | ||
| Kimbo was an athlete. | ||
| What about Hoy's Ken Shamrock? | ||
| That was a great fight. | ||
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The new one? | |
| And they were 50. I mean... | ||
| People watched it. | ||
| It got crazy. | ||
| I couldn't wait for it to start. | ||
| Did you enjoy the fight? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You couldn't wait for it? | ||
| Why do you gotta be young to fight? | ||
| Old dudes can fight. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| What about you? | ||
| We need to have an old man lead. | ||
| We need a senior tour. | ||
| We need a senior tour. | ||
| And we have like obstacles. | ||
| Like fucking garbage cans and shit. | ||
| Things laying around a pizza box. | ||
| On a football field. | ||
| Two grandpas, football field, no rules. | ||
| We leave pizza boxes laying all around the field, so dudes slip on them and shit, and they fight on grass, wet grass, like right after the sprinklers. | ||
| The sprinklers kick on and the crowd roars because that means the fight's about to start. | ||
| That would change a lot. | ||
| You might as well fight on skates. | ||
| Then you have dudes come out and they throw the pizza boxes down and they have guys come in and place the garbage cans. | ||
| The garbage cans are filled with like fucking used cat food cans and shit. | ||
| It's all fucked up. | ||
| Diapers. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, because you've got to plow into them. | ||
| It's going to be like an old dude fighting championship. | ||
| Super hot cheerleaders. | ||
| Before they get started, they get drunk. | ||
| The dudes sit there and they drink. | ||
| Just the seniors. | ||
| Everybody, you have to have at least four drinks before the fight starts. | ||
| They pour them out. | ||
| They stare at each other at the bar. | ||
| They do the shots. | ||
| And then the doctor goes, okay, we're good. | ||
| They should be drunk. | ||
| And they push them out there. | ||
| You can just go downtown LA if you want. | ||
| No, that's crack, bro. | ||
| That's not healthy. | ||
| The thing about any of those changes you just made, they all change everything. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, change any one thing and everything changes. | ||
| If we suddenly allow, like, kicks to the head of a downed opponent, four points is a whole different game. | ||
| Every position is different. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I think, we were talking about it, I think there should be no rules of any kind. | ||
| We're not eye gouging. | ||
| Yeah, eye gouging, biting everything. | ||
| Are you going to have this? | ||
| Go back to Canada. | ||
| This is a parallel universe in which we could do this where it isn't a sport. | ||
| Nobody will watch this. | ||
| Let me get to you right here. | ||
| What if regenerative medicine reaches a point where they can literally shoot stem cells right into your eyeballs, grow you a new eyeball, 100% guarantee? | ||
| It's no different than you getting one stitch. | ||
| You get a cut that needs one stitch. | ||
| It's your eyeball. | ||
| It's nothing. | ||
| But they're just going to shoot. | ||
| You know that they do that now with third degree burns. | ||
| Dudes have horrible burns all over their arms. | ||
| They spray them with stem cells and your skin grows back in like a matter of a few days. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
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Really? | |
| People who are scarred for life now have no visible scars whatsoever. | ||
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What? | |
| Even old scars? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It has to be fresh. | ||
| It has to be fresh. | ||
| But while you have all that damage all over your body, they spray stem cells all over your body, and your body just grows tissue. | ||
| It looks amazing. | ||
| Jamie, pull it up. | ||
| That's fucking amazing. | ||
| And then spray it. | ||
| Well, maybe. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| That's a good idea. | ||
| I love technology. | ||
| Oh, it's amazing. | ||
| I mean, that's probably the future. | ||
| But once they reach that point where a guy biting your nose off doesn't really mean you lost your nose. | ||
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| That's so sick. | ||
| All you have to do is spray it. | ||
| Then you take pictures. | ||
| Hey, I'm at the gym. | ||
| Look up my nose cavity. | ||
| Doctor says another three days. | ||
| I'm like to pick your head in fire for three seconds. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| Look up there. | ||
| Eddie, look up there. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| See, before, after. | ||
| Fucking massive burns! | ||
| Was it a black person before? | ||
| White after? | ||
| Yeah, you turn white, but you're healthy. | ||
| No. | ||
| It sprays the victim's own stem cells onto the wounds, and it regenerates tissue at a fucking ridiculously fast rate. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| No, it does, man. | ||
| Look, you could go into it online and see the studies that they've shown, but it's fucking amazing. | ||
| Severe burns, and they're able to do this procedure. | ||
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90 minutes. | |
| Yeah, 90 minutes, and within weeks, they're 100% healed. | ||
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That's insane. | |
| Permanent results within days. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Stem cells regenerate the skin, leaving no scars. | ||
| Do we know this is legit? | ||
| 100%? | ||
| No, this is 100%. | ||
| Is this real? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Sounds like a scam. | ||
| No, that's a lab. | ||
| It's on YouTube. | ||
| What is it, from NASA? Eddie's on YouTube. | ||
| And it's in the library. | ||
| Oh, it's on YouTube. | ||
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It's on YouTube. | |
| You saw this on YouTube or did you see this in the library? | ||
| I just said that. | ||
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It's both. | |
| I said both. | ||
| It's both. | ||
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YouTube and the library. | |
| He went to the Dewey Decimal System and he looked it up. | ||
| It's double proven. | ||
| When was the last time you went to the library, Brendan? | ||
| What is a library? | ||
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Oh, we went to a library in Vancouver this week. | |
| They don't teach Canadians how to read? | ||
| We did some research on you. | ||
| We didn't know what your background was. | ||
| We didn't know if you were working for the other side. | ||
| So now we imagine it's okay. | ||
| We can bite, we can tear out, whatever. | ||
| Okay, if that's the case, and you can rebuild tissue 100%, why not? | ||
| And the reason it would be fascinating is because over time, you'd never get... | ||
| Well, actually, if we can rebuild it. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Every position would change. | ||
| The eye bulks, the face biting. | ||
| And it would take us 20 years. | ||
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What about sticking brain cells in the brain cells? | |
| Same to your brain where your brain is even better. | ||
| They're working on that. | ||
| They're working on regenerating traumatic brain injuries. | ||
| What if it gets to the point where you go to kickboxing class, you know you can't ever spar because of brain damage. | ||
| What if every night you could go in and knock out ten dudes? | ||
| You get knocked out three times? | ||
| It's not as cool anymore, is it? | ||
| Because the risk isn't there. | ||
| Dude, that'll always be cool. | ||
| Everyone was sit and trade. | ||
| It's not about killing brain cells. | ||
| It's about shutting a dude off and dominating them. | ||
| No, it's about killing brain cells. | ||
| It's about shutting them off and dominating them. | ||
| No, Eddie's right. | ||
| If there's no consequences physically, yeah, I mean, then it's a totally different thing. | ||
| I would call Jiu-Jitsu and do Muay Thai. | ||
| Then no one's cowboy anymore. | ||
| Okay, but that's not true. | ||
| It's not true because that's Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| Because Jiu-Jitsu, you're killing each other without killing each other. | ||
| When Jiu-Jitsu, you get a guy's back and you fucking put that choke on him, he taps, he's basically saying, you killed me. | ||
| If we were in the wild, we were in the jungle, you would have killed me. | ||
| So you let them go, you slap hands, you start again. | ||
| It's better. | ||
| Like, jujitsu people, I think, have a better bond than, at least the gyms that I've been around, than a lot of people that boxing spar and kickboxing spar because they hurt each other more. | ||
| I agree with that 100%. | ||
| Yeah, you have a weird relationship with each other. | ||
| Like, guys I used to spar kickboxing with, they're those weird relationships. | ||
| We're trying to hurt each other all the time. | ||
| No, I was trying to hurt these guys. | ||
| They were trying to hurt me. | ||
| They're breaking my nose and shit. | ||
| I think mentally, too, because it does hurt. | ||
| It doesn't hurt. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| When you're doing enough, you can tap out whenever you want. | ||
| It hurts when you hit them. | ||
| It hurts the ego, but physically. | ||
| Like a jab from the head. | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| You don't want to get wrecked. | ||
| How many times you've been hitting the bag, you think about some time that some dude fucked you up in sparring, just rocked you in sparring. | ||
| You get mad when you're hitting the bag. | ||
| You want revenge. | ||
| It's totally different. | ||
| Yeah, the scores that got settled even subconsciously when they spar. | ||
| Oh, he wants more wine. | ||
| The Indian's out. | ||
| I don't know why we don't get tequila, Alfred. | ||
| That's actually a very valuable knife. | ||
| That was given to me by Justin Wren. | ||
| He got it from some people in the Congo because we built wells for them. | ||
| I was actually going to stab him if he poured me another drink. | ||
| That's what that was about. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| Pour me another drink or I'll stab you. | ||
| It's the opposite. | ||
| Good move. | ||
| Discipline. | ||
| We've been through this already. | ||
| Speaking of being able to fight like that, what if virtual reality, you went to fight, it doesn't really work if you're virtual reality-ing somebody because you don't get hurt. | ||
| What if they use taser technology in with it, so as you got hit, you got tased? | ||
| You know what, man? | ||
| Virtual reality doesn't work because it doesn't hurt, but goddamn, it's good for drilling. | ||
| I've only done it with boxing. | ||
| I only did it once. | ||
| It's kind of weird because, you know, if you look at gloves, if you're looking at your gloves in front of you, If you think if you have your hands like this, that's how the gloves will look. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| The gloves are like this. | ||
| So if you hold your hands like this, so you're in front of the guy, and you find yourself throwing punches like this because you want your fist to look like an actual punch. | ||
| It's a little odd like that, like they gotta polish that up. | ||
| But other than that, when the guy hits you, you see a flash of light. | ||
| That's not enough. | ||
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It's not enough, but it's interesting. | |
| A little bit of a zap would be better. | ||
| But as far as just developing your skills, it's feedback. | ||
| And really that's all you need is feedback. | ||
| And then you would figure out a way to get so good at the game and get your head movement so on point that this virtual guy could never hit you and your skills would be super sharp. | ||
| Then you could move into another stage of it. | ||
| So that you wouldn't have like... | ||
| There's one of the things that's a big problem with teaching people how to strike is the panic of getting hit. | ||
| Like you can look great on pads, but then when you're actually sparring, there's the panic of getting hit. | ||
| So how do you get a person past that panic? | ||
| Well, you got to get them to spar light. | ||
| And you got to get them to trust people and develop their skills so that as the punch comes, you're not locking up because some fucking Francis Ngannou dude is throwing nuclear missiles at your dome. | ||
| No, someone's just touching you and you learn to do it that way. | ||
| You can do that virtually. | ||
| You can't do it with everything. | ||
| It's not going to work with jiu-jitsu because there's too much moving and scrambling and choking. | ||
| Not right now. | ||
| And you feel them. | ||
| But what you don't have is... | ||
| It's going to be difficult to throw kicks. | ||
| Kicks are going to be weird. | ||
| Maybe you could do that, but you'd have to have something on your legs. | ||
| Soldiers try, our military does it, where they try to mimic it through computers, and then they try to the exact T and put them in stressful situations, and then when the bullets are really firing, a lot of them, when it's real, there's nothing they can do to mimic it. | ||
| It helps for sure. | ||
| It didn't hurt. | ||
| I played one of those games in Afghanistan where they gave us rifles and you had noise and video. | ||
| It's so stressful. | ||
| You get so pumped, but it's still a video game. | ||
| It's just not the same. | ||
| And what the Navy SEAL was telling us, he's like, even we do all that, and even when the real bullet's flying, I'll look behind me and the guy's just frozen. | ||
| Because it's real. | ||
| He knows the consequences. | ||
| The big problem with the virtual reality boxing thing is you're actually not hitting anything. | ||
| You need to practice the impact. | ||
| So my idea is, and this is crazy. | ||
| But there's no weight. | ||
| It's okay, I'm telling you. | ||
| There's a man, like a robot, on some kind of thing that gets controlled like this, and he moves. | ||
| You're actually boxing a robot. | ||
| He's got balloons. | ||
| He's got actual balloons for fists with powder on it. | ||
| So you want to not get a bunch of blue powder all over you. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So you're boxing. | ||
| He's got balloons for hands. | ||
| So you gotta like hit shit and you know. | ||
| They did that, buddy. | ||
| Is that a movie? | ||
| Is someone controlling you? | ||
| Your coach is controlling you. | ||
| That's a movie. | ||
| Wolverine played him. | ||
| Who's the actor, Wolverine? | ||
| They did that movie. | ||
| Oh, I ripped it off. | ||
| What are these? | ||
| Oh, these are for football? | ||
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| Yeah, like that kind of shit. | ||
| They chase after you on a robot. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Eddie, they stole your idea. | ||
| That's a good idea. | ||
| But what I'm thinking is the foam arms. | ||
| But something to control. | ||
| But you know that thing that I got in my garage, Eddie, that rubber guy, you know, it's just a torso, and you can accommodate each punch on him? | ||
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| You have something like that with arms. | ||
| Yeah, and it throws real combos. | ||
| Yeah, you give him a bone on the upper arm, you know, you give him some rigidity, but then the lower arm, for the forearms down, you just have it as just a rubber. | ||
| Can you imagine just the one-two you could do with the robot? | ||
| - Nothing hurts. | ||
| - It's just a robot, and you just gotta program it to go, "Dish, dish, down." You know what I mean? - Teach him to James Toney. | ||
| - It's not that hard. | ||
| - Yeah, it's not that hard. | ||
| - Teach him to show the role. - If you can avoid the robot, it's not like a real fight, but damn, it's pretty damn close. | ||
| You're avoiding these combos that are programmed in by nerds. | ||
| The Wing Chun dummy was some rudimentary concept related to that. | ||
| No, because it didn't move. | ||
| Someone's controlling it. | ||
| If you start with no movement, you start with an object and then later it moves. | ||
| I'm telling you, this virtual reality thing is really, there's something to it. | ||
| But you're not hitting anything. | ||
| It doesn't matter because you're moving and you're shadowboxing. | ||
| A lot of shadowboxing, you're not hitting anything but you're visualizing. | ||
| This time you're visualizing but something's in front of you and when you hit it, it's head snaps back. | ||
| And you can move away from shots and dig to the body. | ||
| My idea's better, but I like that one. | ||
| That one could work. | ||
| You could combine the ideas. | ||
| The two of them are great together, and that's going to happen. | ||
| Get Elon Musk on it. | ||
| We'll have it next week. | ||
| Bigger and better. | ||
| Get NASA on it. | ||
| You link up with Elon Musk. | ||
| Teach him how to fight. | ||
| Who are you calling, Brian? | ||
| Elon Musk if you want. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You bought a Tesla, you get a phone call. | ||
| One phone call. | ||
| It comes with a car? | ||
| Yeah, I'm a celebrity. | ||
| I'm fucking on TV. I saw that Mickey Garcia fight. | ||
| You were telling me about it. | ||
| Mikey or Mickey? | ||
| Mikey. | ||
| Mikey Garcia. | ||
| 34-0 or 36-0? | ||
| It was a horrible knockout. | ||
| How bad? | ||
| I thought the guy died. | ||
| It probably took two minutes to get him up. | ||
| And Garcia, he took like a couple years off because of promotional problems, right? | ||
| So they got problems in MMA and boxing that are real similar in that way. | ||
| Where they tied up with promoters and shit goes down. | ||
| But there's so many promoters in boxing. | ||
| You got the Goosens. | ||
| You got Bob Arum. | ||
| You got, you know, fucking Floyd Mayweather Productions, The Money Team. | ||
| Gennady Gloftin has his own. | ||
| Gennady Gloftin has his own? | ||
| Canelo has his own. | ||
| Canelo has his own promotion team? | ||
| They're starting to branch out. | ||
| He's worked with Golden Boy, but he does have his own promotion too. | ||
| The UFC, if I was the UFC and I just spent $4 billion to buy the UFC and all this shit starts going down, I'd be like, you motherfuckers, do you know how long it's going to take to make back that $4 billion with you guys all branching off and starting your own promotions? | ||
| But not too many guys can do it. | ||
| That's why you sell now. | ||
| Sell again? | ||
| No, why? | ||
| They sold. | ||
| Why Dana and the Fratitas sold. | ||
| Yeah, those guys are smart as fuck. | ||
| Yeah, they know what's up. | ||
| Look, Lorenzo is genius in business as it comes. | ||
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Smart dudes. | |
| That's why all these guys are... | ||
| Because before, when Lorenzo was there, people felt like they know the motherfucking godfather. | ||
| He was right... | ||
| Whatever decision Lorenzo wanted, I mean you got Frank right there too, but whatever decision Lorenzo wanted, it was just done. | ||
| It was greenlit, greenlit. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| So everyone felt loyal to that. | ||
| You know, like, you don't want to fucking leave, you know what I mean? | ||
| This is the godfather, you know what I mean? | ||
| Now it's like, who owns the UFC? You don't know those guys. | ||
| You talked to Ari Emanuel. | ||
| But here's the thing, man. | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| As far as the UFC got up to 2017, nobody anticipated it up to 2005. Even in 2005, nobody saw that coming, but then the first episode, the first ever Ultimate Fighter airs, and then it becomes this huge superstar event with Stefan Bonner vs. | ||
| Forrest Griffin in the finals, millions of people tune in, the world explodes, MMA becomes popular, and then here we are, 12 years later, looking at it, nobody saw this. | ||
| If they can keep going like that... | ||
| See, that's the thing. | ||
| The unanticipated exponential growth. | ||
| Yeah, you don't know. | ||
| The unanticipated. | ||
| These guys like Korean Superboy. | ||
| These guys like Yair Rodriguez. | ||
| Valentin Shevchenko. | ||
| All these... | ||
| Francis Ngannou. | ||
| These new superstars. | ||
| Conor McGregor. | ||
| These new superstars emerging. | ||
| This shit could be twice as big five years from now. | ||
| I like your positive attitude, but... | ||
| No one's more bullish on MMA than me. | ||
| I think it should be the biggest sport in the world. | ||
| I think it's the one that transcends boundaries, it transcends cultures, it raises, it makes sense. | ||
| If a guy dunks a basketball in your face... | ||
| At the end of the day, the only saving grace is, bitch, I will find you outside and I will fuck you up. | ||
| But if you fuck some guy up and he goes, oh, I can still dunk a basketball on you, nobody gives a shit. | ||
| It's the end-all, be-all of sports. | ||
| Of super aggro, yes. | ||
| It's almost not even a sport. | ||
| Of super aggro, yes. | ||
| Not even super aggro. | ||
| It's more impressive than anything. | ||
| If someone wins some crazy U.S. Open tennis tournament, and that's an amazing thing, if Conor McGregor knocks Floyd Mayweather the fuck out with a piston-like left hand, the world explodes! | ||
| No one gives a fuck about tennis! | ||
| No, it might not happen, but if it did, the world explodes. | ||
| True, but anyone can fight, Joe. | ||
| Anyone can fight. | ||
| You're wrong. | ||
| It's not true. | ||
| Anyone can fight. | ||
| Anybody can play in the NFL. Not in the NBA. Not in the NFL. You can't. | ||
| It's purity. | ||
| Not anybody can fight in the UFC. CM Punk can. | ||
| It's the rawest form. | ||
| He's a rare exception because of him. | ||
| He gets moody. | ||
| I'm not moody. | ||
| These are legit points. | ||
| So negative. | ||
| You know how much more impressive it is? | ||
| LeBron James? | ||
| Nope. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Not having that. | ||
| Not a team. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Is that more impressive? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| The most impressive thing is destroying another man. | ||
| That's the most impressive shit. | ||
| Kung fu. | ||
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It's pure. | |
| The skill level in the NBA community. | ||
| Rambo. | ||
| It's just physical expression. | ||
| Listen to the fighters. | ||
| It's the most impressive shit. | ||
| Fucking up another dude. | ||
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Mad on him. | |
| Listen to the UFC fighter. | ||
| No teams. | ||
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Hold. | |
| I'm saying that what you did is the most impressive shit. | ||
| What you did. | ||
| Not being in a team. | ||
| Not athletically. | ||
| It's sick. | ||
| Oh, the guy threw the ball in the hole. | ||
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He's amazing! | |
| What makes that better? | ||
| What makes that better? | ||
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Look, the ball goes in the hole! | |
| You're being a... | ||
| What's the word? | ||
| An insider. | ||
| Who pissed in your Cheerios, Joe? | ||
| He hit the ball with the racket! | ||
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He's amazing! | |
| You know how hard it is to hit a home run? | ||
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You know how hard it is to hit a home run at 100 miles an hour? | |
| That's amazing. | ||
| We just got done looking at this field full of baseball players earlier going, who watches that stupid fucking game? | ||
| That's what we're doing. | ||
| And I don't enjoy watching baseball. | ||
| Are we doing fight companion with baseball? | ||
| Hitting a home run is the hardest thing to do in professional sports. | ||
| You're a contrarian. | ||
| It's not even close to the hardest thing to do. | ||
| The hardest thing to do is knock out Jose Aldo with one punch 13 seconds in after you talk shit about him for a year. | ||
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The odds are higher if you're going to do that. | |
| Than hitting a baseball? | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| Fuck up, Jimmy Burke. | ||
| Imagine Baseball Fight Companions. | ||
| Imagine how bad that would be. | ||
| I think they'd call them Baseball Companions. | ||
| Baseball Fight Companions. | ||
| We're gonna watch the Dodgers play the Reds. | ||
| Be awesome. | ||
| Baseball Fight Companions would be amazing because we'd be drunk and high as fuck. | ||
| Because we're four hours long, yeah. | ||
| Oh, it would just be like a ceremonial thing. | ||
| We don't actually watch the game. | ||
| We just put it on. | ||
| I guarantee you there are baseball companions. | ||
| I guarantee you there are. | ||
| We have seven viewers. | ||
| What we need to do is a NASCAR fight companion. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
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We need to watch NASCAR. They're still going left! | |
| They're going left! | ||
| Or WWE. And we have money on it. | ||
| We watch NASCAR and bet some serious money. | ||
| I'm telling you guys, these all exist. | ||
| They call them second screen experiences and every sport now is doing them. | ||
| Fight companions? | ||
| After Joe. | ||
| The NFL has one. | ||
| The NFL has a second screen experience. | ||
| When did they start doing this? | ||
| In the last year. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| The NFL has a second screen experience. | ||
| Motherfucker. | ||
| There's a whole website called Ramble On or something like that. | ||
| Anybody can get on and make their own companion for any event. | ||
| They should call that Joe Rules. | ||
| I don't think I invented it. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| Who else was doing it? | ||
| If you never saw someone do it, you invented it. | ||
| Here's what I did. | ||
| Here's what I did. | ||
| I'm the first guy for sure that is the lead commentator for a gigantic organization, like a professional sports organization, that also does a thing on the internet where they smoke weed and talk shit watching the same event. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| I'm not cussed! | ||
| I'm not going mad about a lot of things! | ||
| But I got that shit wrapped up. | ||
| You're the only one. | ||
| Everybody's like, man, what if they can cuss during comedy? | ||
| Wouldn't that be cool if Joe could just cuss? | ||
| People have said that for years, and now, boom, you're actually doing that. | ||
| But here's the crazy thing. | ||
| These fight companions get... | ||
| Way more downloads than any broadcast. | ||
| They get as much downloads as a major Fox card, a major Fox UFC World Championship card. | ||
| That's how many downloads these things get. | ||
| In that case, I'll be in. | ||
| Usually more. | ||
| It's a hundred million dollars more. | ||
| We're closing in this month on, we're probably, where are we at right now, Jamie? | ||
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Before I check before, we're going to get close to $85 million for the month. | |
| That's for YouTube? | ||
| No, that's for iTunes? | ||
| Just iTunes. | ||
| And then YouTube is how much? | ||
| That's $22 million. | ||
| Do you ask yourself why they're watched so much? | ||
| No, I just keep smoking weed. | ||
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Are those 25 companions at a million views? | |
| Oh, way more than a million. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Way more. | ||
| Oh, it exploded. | ||
| When you got super drunk with Cameron Haynes and went on Tower 7, that one's like five million. | ||
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No way. | |
| What's it at? | ||
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What happened? | |
| I thought it was like 600,000. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, what is it on? | ||
| The audio is, the last five recap we did is like it's almost six million downloads. | ||
| You serious, Eddie? | ||
| The recap, Eddie. | ||
| That's after the fight. | ||
| The recap. | ||
| Six million downloads. | ||
| Where Cameron Haynes got one word in. | ||
| No, on iTunes. | ||
| I'm talking about YouTube, though. | ||
| Well, YouTube is not as much. | ||
| YouTube is only, like, what percentage? | ||
| How many views per episode? | ||
| 20% of the iTunes downloads. | ||
| I know, but how many views? | ||
| Like, what is... | ||
| The average views lately for... | ||
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| That's it. | ||
| 5 million for audio, up to 1 million for YouTube videos. | ||
| It depends on the show. | ||
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Okay, 1 million. | |
| When you and I are on with Alex Jones, which will, by the way, be episode 9-11. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| I'm working so hard to make it episode 9-11. | ||
| I'm doing so many goddamn episodes just so I can shove them all in. | ||
| Just to get there? | ||
| Just so I can get to number 9-11 with Alex Jones. | ||
| That's Wednesday. | ||
| That's Wednesday, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Wednesday, Alex Jones. | ||
| How huge is that podcast going to be? | ||
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Holy shit. | |
| Shit! | ||
| And it's going to be episode 9-11. | ||
| And I'm going to keep my mouth shut. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| We're going to have some fun. | ||
| First of all, we're not doing it sober. | ||
| So don't even try. | ||
| It's going to get weird. | ||
| I'm going to let him... | ||
| He's not going to be sober either. | ||
| I just want to maybe ask a question or two, but I'm going to keep my mouth shut. | ||
| We're going to have a... | ||
| I'm not going to say anything. | ||
| Gay old time like the Flintstones. | ||
| I love Alex Jones. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| Does he smoke weed? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Neither can confirm nor deny... | ||
| Even if you don't, if you're in this room, you're smoking weed. | ||
| Whether you like it or not, you're taking a contact high of epic proportions. | ||
| I walked in and smelled it right away. | ||
| That show might break records. | ||
| It's gonna be interesting. | ||
| We'll be bigger than Lance Armstrong. | ||
| What's one of your questions you wanna ask him? | ||
| Don't give it away. | ||
| Prepare for it. | ||
| You gotta sneak it up on him. | ||
| You know the weird thing about conspiracy theorists that are making a living off conspiracy theories? | ||
| There's so many conspiracy theories and a lot of guys are just like into one or two and they're experts on nine or experts on JFK and they fucking know everything about this. | ||
| It's so deep and so sophisticated and complicated. | ||
| The whole JFK thing, all the theories and all what could have happened and all that, it's so deep. | ||
| Dudes spend their whole life on that so when they talk to dudes that are still believing in CNN and they're trying to convert them, trying to wake them up a little bit, what ends up happening is They've invested so much money in JFK that they can't... | ||
| They're not even looking at other ways we're getting fucked. | ||
| So they deny all that other shit. | ||
| So when other people bring other crazy conspiracy theories up, they gotta say, that dude's a shill. | ||
| He's right about the JFK shit, because I know, because I studied that, but all this other shit he's talking about, that's gotta be a shill. | ||
| Is that what he's gonna do to you, Eddie? | ||
| No. | ||
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Eddie knows that Harvey Oswald killed... | |
| JFK. Do you think he did? | ||
| Are you baiting him? | ||
| Let me finish what I'm saying real quick. | ||
| Everybody thinks, not everybody, there's a lot of conspiracy theorists out there that are experts in certain conspiracies that they think Alex Jones is a shill because he's not, what is that, a vacuum? | ||
| Some crazy vacuum. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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Anyways, let me finish this really quick. | |
| Let me finish this. | ||
| So there's guys out there. | ||
| Alex Jones is going to be on the goddamn show Wednesday. | ||
| There's a lot of conspiracy theorists that think he's a shill because they're not talking about the conspiracy theory that they spent all their time on. | ||
| Like, Alex Jones is like, you know what, there's different levels of conspiracy theories. | ||
| To go deep on one thing though, there's a generalist and a specialist in everything. | ||
| And a generalist, the specialist can go deeper in their one specialty than any generalist can do. | ||
| Conspiracy theorists argue with each other more than with skeptics. | ||
| It's incredible, like the scene, everybody's pointing fingers, he's a shill, he's a shill, just because they're not spending time or promoting your, like, Alex Jones, he's into certain conspiracy theories, and it's like, you know, he's got his plan, his agenda to wake people up or whatever. | ||
| Whatever he thinks, he's got his plan. | ||
| And then this guy has, this is how we do it. | ||
| This guy, well, how come you're not talking about what they're doing? | ||
| And how come you're not talking about the Jews? | ||
| And how come you're not talking about... | ||
| Isn't that why? | ||
| Conspiracy theorists. | ||
| Are accusing each other of being shills all the time because they're not... | ||
| Like, Alex Jones has his own agenda. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That happens in every little subculture, though. | ||
| Like in fighting, you know, certain people... | ||
| Okay, but you're going to try to change the subject here to fighting, and I'm not going to let you... | ||
| I was going to say that's exactly why you start to get... | ||
| News sources that are credible. | ||
| So what happens is... | ||
| Don't talk about credible news sources. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| You got yours. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| He let you talk. | ||
| So like the economist... | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I can't do that. | ||
| So like the economist, how many years... | ||
| Can you look up how many years old the economist is? | ||
| It's over 100 years old. | ||
| And so the economist... | ||
| You know what's super old? | ||
| Slavery. | ||
| Well, hold on. | ||
| Why does a magazine stay there? | ||
| Well, because what happens is, if they start posting news, people will read it and say, that must be true. | ||
| When it starts not being true, people will stop reading that newspaper or that magazine. | ||
| They'll start going, hold on, this was bullshit. | ||
| So that's why certain news organizations develop a reputation of... | ||
| 1843. Now, hold on. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| So what happens is, you can't fool people that long. | ||
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Yes, you can. | |
| You're a fool. | ||
| After a while, Eddie. | ||
| How old are you? | ||
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How old are you? | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| Eddie, you've got to let him talk. | ||
| Eddie, the Economist is a very credible source, and if it wasn't, they would get found out not only by people like you, but also by other news outlets. | ||
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They've already been found out. | |
| Hold on, hold on, hold on. | ||
| Other news outlets. | ||
| Eddie, let him talk, and then I've got a question for you about this. | ||
| So there are credible sources of news, which you adhere to. | ||
| I know you do. | ||
| And the question becomes, what is the criteria by which you can trust a news source, a company that promotes news, that reports news? | ||
| There has to be a vetting process. | ||
| And what I'm saying is that you develop a reputation after a while, because it's pretty easy to find out if you've been lying for 140 years about every news story. | ||
| It's a long time. | ||
| So what happens is you have to get your news from somewhere, right? | ||
| You have to rely on it somewhere. | ||
| So what they do is they get people who are investigative journalists. | ||
| If you had a news organization, what you'd say is you'd say, I want three, four, maybe six different credible sources before I print this. | ||
| I would imagine you'd be that way, right? | ||
| Absolutely, I would. | ||
| Yeah, so people who corroborate the same story and they have independent lines of either inquiry or investigation, whatever it might be. | ||
| And that's kind of how, and that's why I invest in reading not just the New York Times, but The Economist, Two Sides of the Political Spectrum, NPR. And when I hear three publications like that, one that's independent, One that relies on public sourcing, not private sourcing. | ||
| After a while, they're all reporting the same news story. | ||
| There's got to be some truth to it. | ||
| The CIA has infiltrated all mainstream media. | ||
| You are being punked. | ||
| Okay, but hold on. | ||
| He's a shill. | ||
| Here's a question. | ||
| I'm not saying you are. | ||
| Stop, Brendan. | ||
| Brendan, stop. | ||
| What do you know about The Economist? | ||
| I know that if it's mainstream media, anything for me, the mainstream media is controlled by the government. | ||
| So anything that the mainstream media all agrees on and anything that they're pushing, I am automatically seriously skeptical about it because our government has lied to us for millennia. | ||
| So I'm not trusting anything they say. | ||
| If they're all saying it, I'm not trusting it. | ||
| I understand what you're saying, but you really don't have any information to go on based on the – when you talk about this particular magazine, you don't know anything about it, right? | ||
| I'm not an expert in The Economist, but I'm pretty sure – But it's been around a long time, right? | ||
| I'll guess. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it's owned by some kind of Rothschild. | ||
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I understand. | |
| What you have to understand is having a prejudice. | ||
| Prejudice, dismissive attitude without having actually examined it is part of the whole problem we have with information in the first place. | ||
| You might be right, but you haven't examined it and you're already throwing it away before ever looking into it at all. | ||
| But it's a giant issue because there's people that are worth billions and billions of dollars. | ||
| They're getting their financial information from somewhere. | ||
| Where is it coming from? | ||
| Are they sharing it with each other and then eating babies and fucking each other? | ||
| Like, what are they doing? | ||
| Or are they getting it from a long-standing credible source that all these different super rich people rely upon, and that's why it's credible. | ||
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You can believe that. | |
| No, but Eddie, you don't know if it's untrue, but you're prejudging it, and that's not healthy either. | ||
| That's one of the reasons why a lot of these conspiracy theories fall apart, is because there hasn't been any forethought into concocting them. | ||
| They just immediately step in and say, if it's mainstream, it's got to be this. | ||
| When you have a, let's just say, a criminal who's been in jail, who's been in jail for credit card fraud, he's just a shitbag dude. | ||
| He's one person? | ||
| Yeah, just one dude. | ||
| One dude. | ||
| Just a shitbag criminal, credit card fraud, robbery. | ||
| We got it, we got it. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Are you going to believe anything this guy says? | ||
| No, but he's not a person. | ||
| Government is a much larger thing. | ||
| That's the way I look at the government. | ||
| They've lied so much. | ||
| Okay, but the economist, you know, is not really connected to the government. | ||
| No. | ||
| Who is the government? | ||
| I already said that I'm not an expert in the economics, but I'm assuming. | ||
| I understand, but that assumption is negative. | ||
| It's not smart to assume. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It is smart not to trust criminals. | ||
| It's smart not to trust criminals. | ||
| But you're not talking about criminals. | ||
| You're talking about a long-standing magazine that's dedicated to explain the economy in very pragmatic terms. | ||
| The mainstream media is criminal. | ||
| Once you made that decision, there's nothing that could be said to you. | ||
| Once you're a criminal, is there something that this criminal that has a long history of credit fraud and robbery, is there anything that dude can tell you? | ||
| It's not a valid comparison at all. | ||
| Obama's piece in The Economist gets everything wrong. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| But this is one of the reasons why things get criticized. | ||
| But this is Obama. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Let me put that in context, please. | ||
| Can I put that in context? | ||
| So Steve Forbes is a Republican in a very, very right way. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So all he's doing is he is rebutting Obama's point of view. | ||
| Right, now let's point out that Obama is not an economist, and Obama probably got an honorary position as a journalist to post this thing. | ||
| No, no, no, that's not how it works. | ||
| So The Economist is not about, it's not economists that write it. | ||
| The Economist is a... | ||
| Did he write a piece? | ||
| Yes, he wrote a piece. | ||
| And what they'll have is they'll have an op-ed piece. | ||
| That's what I should have said. | ||
| Yeah, so when you can write something, if you're Obama, the Economist will allow you to be sort of a featured opinion. | ||
| What's the date on this? | ||
| That's why they call it an op-ed. | ||
| This was November of 2016. So it's an opinion editorial, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's an op-ed. | ||
| So it's criticized by people who disagree with this policy. | ||
| So the New York Times, in the back of the newspaper every day, is an op-ed page, which is different, various journalists, some right-wing, most left-wing, who give their point of view on the world, and not so much like... | ||
| Because a lot of, like, Nicholas Kristof, who's in there working with women in Kenyan schools and stuff, or forced prostitution. | ||
| This is an investigative journalist. | ||
| He's not making any money, by the way. | ||
| But he's in there, and what he'll do is write an op-ed piece that will bring your awareness to the fact that, for example, in Cambodia, there's a lot of sex for sale, and it's really horrible, etc., etc. | ||
| So, you know, it's worth giving The New York Times, it's worth giving The Economist, it's worth giving NPR a fair shake. | ||
| You might learn something, because to say that it's all lies, Eddie, is a little extreme. | ||
| And also, they wouldn't be in business, because people don't like to be fooled, and I don't think you could fool people all the time. | ||
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You're fooled. | |
| You're fooled. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What did Abraham Lincoln say? | ||
| That's the way I see it. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I mean, you've been had by the CIA Operation Mockingbird. | ||
| You've been had. | ||
| But wait a minute, Eddie. | ||
| I don't blame you. | ||
| You're brought up with the TV and the commercials. | ||
| What if you've been indoctrinated by the ideas that you're exposed to? | ||
| Because when I watch you two guys, you're identical. | ||
| You've both been indoctrinated. | ||
| You've both been indoctrinated with ideas, both that are separate, both that are probably wrong because most of the information we get is not based on truth, your own point. | ||
| Not most. | ||
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That's not true. | |
| I didn't give you an idea. | ||
| What I just said was how I get my news, which is from several different Sources. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| One who's not run by a profit motive, like NPR, National Public Radio, that relies on contributions from its listeners like me. | ||
| So, okay. | ||
| And then you've got the New York Times, left wing, I disagree with a lot of it all the time. | ||
| Then you've got The Economist, then you've got Time Magazine, all competing, by the way. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| All competing for the story. | ||
| So to say that I am, I have the same, I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Your fundamental beliefs are based on what you've learned and been exposed to. | ||
| Well, hold on. | ||
| And I will dilate on that because what I'm exposed to varies. | ||
| I try to be as well-round as I can. | ||
| And if that is being closed-minded, I would like to hear what would be considered open-minded. | ||
| No, I just mean all of your beliefs, many of which much more of yours that I believe with than Eddie's, and no offense, Eddie, I love you, are based on everything you've learned in your life. | ||
| All the things you've been exposed to. | ||
| And my emotions. | ||
| And my emotions. | ||
| Built you a belief system. | ||
| Plus astrology. | ||
| Yeah, plus astrology. | ||
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Hey! | |
| Built you a belief system, just as Eddie's has. | ||
| Eddie's, everything he's been exposed to, everything that he's learned, all the information, not just the information you're talking about, but how you learn information, how you gather ideas, all of those have built you guys your own belief systems. | ||
| And when you look at each other, you're just shocked that the other one can't see it. | ||
| You're shocked that the other one can't see your belief system. | ||
| But he's just like you. | ||
| He has one of his own that are structured and built upon every experience he's had in his whole life. | ||
| And he's sure that everything he's saying is right, just as you both are. | ||
| Sure, that's a good psychological profile. | ||
| And neither of you can see that this other guy just can't understand, because I know the truth and he does it. | ||
| Isn't it great? | ||
| That's how I feel. | ||
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Yeah, and that's how he feels. | |
| And that's what's going on in North America and all over the world. | ||
| Well, it's not how I feel. | ||
| I don't think that's fair to compare. | ||
| See, I don't think so. | ||
| What I think is, what I see with Eddie, is that he has... | ||
| So we all want to believe that we're responsive to evidence. | ||
| Yet he does, I do. | ||
| We're scientific in that we have our mind changed based on the evidence. | ||
| But he can't change your mind and you can't change his mind. | ||
| But that's not true. | ||
| That's not a characterization to me at all. | ||
| I change my mind all the time based on the evidence. | ||
| Now, Well, I sent Eddie several sort of what could be considered conspiracy, but they were reported by mainstream. | ||
| Some of the stuff was, and you remember that? | ||
| What was the one that we were talking about recently? | ||
| I can't remember what time it was. | ||
| We were all in a joint text message. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It was something else. | ||
| It was a real one. | ||
| It was fascinating. | ||
| It was Glenn Greenwald's article in The Guardian about the government turding on Donald Trump. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Unsubstantiated reports about golden showers. | ||
| Political operatives hiring ex-intelligence officers to discredit A candidate. | ||
| And this is happening. | ||
| And this is what the biggest fear is. | ||
| What do we believe at this point? | ||
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That's right. | |
| All the fake news. | ||
| And we have to be very, very vigilant about it. | ||
| So when I formulate an opinion, one of the great things about doing a podcast is I'm found out all the time to be wrong. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| You're welcome. | ||
| And I'll be like, I'll say something, and people will be like, hey, by the way, bullshit, because here's this, and I go, geez, that's embarrassing. | ||
| I was wrong on that one. | ||
| It's great to be wrong, because you get new information. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| So we have to all be willing to say that, first of all, I don't think all the people in mainstream media are criminal, but you do. | ||
| I don't see any evidence I do see that sometimes mainstream media is discredited. | ||
| I do see sometimes that they make mistakes. | ||
| I do see sometimes like Rolling Stone articles gets it really wrong. | ||
| And there are examples, of course, of mainstream media where they get it wrong. | ||
| Sometimes they get it wrong very badly. | ||
| But I have to believe... | ||
| And a lot of times they get it right. | ||
| Because, I mean, just take a couple of things. | ||
| Like, if they're reporting on the war in Syria, and how many children are killed, and you see that, you see pictures of them. | ||
| How do you see it? | ||
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Pictures? | |
| It's that easy? | ||
| You see video of children crying in a hospital, and people crying. | ||
| Do you believe Faces of Death was real? | ||
| Eddie, it's just not the same. | ||
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Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, you got it. | |
| That shit was real. | ||
| Eddie, you gotta stop doing that because you're trying to discredit what his ideas are by making jokes about it or mocking it. | ||
| I'm not making a joke at all. | ||
| That was a real, legit question. | ||
| But no, you're mocking. | ||
| You're mocking. | ||
| And you were mocking earlier saying you believe it. | ||
| You're indoctrinated. | ||
| You were telling him that he's brainwashed. | ||
| You were telling him that. | ||
| You're mocking it. | ||
| Instead of just having an open conversation about the possibilities. | ||
| My point, although I'm probably 75% think like Brian, we all are just thinking all of the information that we've ever been exposed to, and we've built a belief system based on it. | ||
| Everybody has. | ||
| And when our belief systems don't mix, we have a problem. | ||
| And that's the problem that you see. | ||
| I don't think Eddie's mocking him. | ||
| I think Eddie actually believes it wholeheartedly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you're mocking his thoughts by saying, you're brainwashed. | ||
| You're brainwashed. | ||
| I didn't say brainwashed. | ||
| I didn't say you're brainwashed. | ||
| You've said it many times. | ||
| What is your expression then? | ||
| Because what I'm doing is paraphrasing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I said it worked on you. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You're saying he's brainwashed. | ||
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That's not how he's brainwashed. | |
| Come on, man. | ||
| You know that's not... | ||
| That's not a rational debate of the actual reality of the situation. | ||
| And you really don't know anything about the economist. | ||
| Brainwashed sounds a little harsher than it worked on you. | ||
| It worked on you. | ||
| You're saying he's brainwashed. | ||
| Yeah, but I'm saying it in a... | ||
| I'm responding to what he's just saying. | ||
| But you're mocking him by saying that. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| But it's not the way we... | ||
| We figure things out. | ||
| It's just not. | ||
| Because it's like, all of a sudden you pick teams, everybody tries to win. | ||
| Look, I did a good chunk of my life. | ||
| It's just not the way to communicate. | ||
| It's a constant way that people do it, because nobody ever wants to be wrong, and when you get into debates, it becomes a game as much as it becomes a conversation. | ||
| I'm saying that's really bad for everybody. | ||
| And that it's really just, like, if you're still in it, if you know your side is losing, and you know you don't have any facts on your side, and you're still in it, you're fucking it up for everybody else. | ||
| But if you make sense, if you make sense, then you don't need all that. | ||
| You know, it worked on you. | ||
| You're a fucking brainwashed. | ||
| You don't need all that if your facts are in line and if you've done exhaustive research on the subject. | ||
| But when you just blanket throw all mainstream media's CIA, Operation Mockingbird, 9-11 was an inside job, chemtrails, gotta go, peace out. | ||
| What if he don't use that, though? | ||
| Also, we're trying to solve problems. | ||
| Me. | ||
| All of us. | ||
| And so one of the problems, like, for example, healthcare, universal healthcare, gun control, these things, it's very, when you get into it, it's really difficult to come, and we were talking, Joe and I were talking about this, you can't know everything. | ||
| Look at this, look at this right here. | ||
| Here's some conspiracy shit that's real. | ||
| Another Glenn Greenwald poll. | ||
| Washington Post is richly rewarded for false news about Russia threat while public is deceived. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And Glenn Greenwald, who exposed WikiLeaks, of course, he's the guy who was the reason why... | ||
| It's pretty legit. | ||
| But now, hold on. | ||
| He works for the Washington Post, right? | ||
| Now, he is an investigative journalist. | ||
| These are the kind of guys I love. | ||
| No, he doesn't work for the Washington Post. | ||
| Well, he's an investigative journalist, so he investigates. | ||
| But he doesn't work for the Washington Post. | ||
| He's supported by somebody. | ||
| Not the Washington Post. | ||
| Who is he? | ||
| Who? | ||
| No, he's The Guardian. | ||
| He works for The Guardian. | ||
| The Guardian is essentially a British left-wing mainstream news source, but this is a classic example. | ||
| Now, Eddie, he just exposed what would be considered a conspiracy. | ||
| And he's the same guy, by the way, who did the thing about Donald Trump. | ||
| I don't know anything about this. | ||
| But this is a very good example. | ||
| This is an investigative journalist. | ||
| But I do believe that, though. | ||
| But he's on a payroll of The Guardian. | ||
| Some guys are jumping ship and doing the right thing. | ||
| He's the reason why Edward Snowden got all that information out. | ||
| That guy, Glenn Greenwald. | ||
| But remember, he works for a mainstream... | ||
| Not everybody is psychotic. | ||
| Not everybody is down with the program. | ||
| Some people are like, they're coming forward. | ||
| There's whistleblowers. | ||
| But Obama... | ||
| But he's not a whistleblower. | ||
| He's a legit journalist. | ||
| He gets paid by the Guardian. | ||
| He's a legit journalist. | ||
| Some guys are legit. | ||
| But Eddie, that's the point. | ||
| I said, I'm suspect of all... | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I know I said suspect of all... | ||
| So is Glenn Greenwald. | ||
| This kind of stuff, I believe. | ||
| But he's mainstream. | ||
| This guy is mainstream as it gets. | ||
| Some mainstream... | ||
| All mainstream stuff, for me, I'm skeptical. | ||
| But I didn't say everything was false. | ||
| Just some guys are growing unconscious. | ||
| I don't think there's anything wrong with Eddie being skeptical. | ||
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It's not about being skeptical. | |
| Journalism is based on being skeptical. | ||
| Michael Shermer is a skeptic. | ||
| Being a skeptic means I need, you told me something, now I need something. | ||
| I believe the New York Times works on six, between three and six. | ||
| But the bottom line is, you should always be a skeptic, as are credible news sources, because they say, what was the news? | ||
| What was the story? | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| Okay, I need sources. | ||
| I, as the editorial, as the editor-in-chief, or whoever it is who okays these things, I have got to see tangible, measurable proof Which is why the Rolling Stone story about the UVA case was such a big deal. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Because they printed this story. | ||
| It was a made-up story about rape, about a gang rape that never took place. | ||
| No sexual assault history. | ||
| It was not real. | ||
| It was all fake. | ||
| And they printed it. | ||
| And they printed it because they didn't want to ask the hard questions because it dealt with something that was a taboo subject. | ||
| Sexual assault. | ||
| And they're like, that is a catastrophic failure of journalism. | ||
| These checks and balances are in place to make sure that we know the fucking truth when it gets printed in such a prestigious magazine as the Rolling Stones. | ||
| And they got dealt with. | ||
| They got sued. | ||
| They get sued right now. | ||
| It's still going on. | ||
| Let me ask you something. | ||
| They get found out. | ||
| Look at Brian Williams. | ||
| They get found out. | ||
| They get found out by their own organizations. | ||
| They get found out. | ||
| Now, are scientists and professors, is there a history of them being bought and paid for? | ||
| Some of them. | ||
| Yeah, some of them. | ||
| In some cases. | ||
| But hold on a second. | ||
| Let me qualify that. | ||
| There have been tens of millions of scientists over the course of human history. | ||
| There have been a small handful that have been corrupt. | ||
| And those small handful that have been corrupt that we have found out about, the results have been catastrophic. | ||
| What they have done has been horrific. | ||
| What they did with the sugar industry, What they did with tobacco, what they did with, there's a lot of fucking environmental catastrophes that were downplayed by scientists. | ||
| There have been some bought and paid scientists, 100%. | ||
| But that's just like, there's certain people that are going to be corrupt. | ||
| The vast majority apply to the rules of science. | ||
| Okay, so do you think that it's possible that journalists are bought and paid for, some of them? | ||
| There's absolutely proof of that. | ||
| That's why, that's why you gotta be skeptical. | ||
| Like, I don't know which one you are. | ||
| I don't know what, you could be bought. | ||
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I'm looking at it in a smart way. | |
| Not in a like, some paranoid hiding in a fucking corner. | ||
| No, but Eddie? | ||
| You guys are full of shit. | ||
| I love you, but when you're talking about something like The Economist that you don't have any information about at all, and you blankly dismiss them, that's where it all starts from. | ||
| I said, I don't know anything about The Economist, but it's mainstream media, and if they're spewing the same thing everyone else is spewing, like CNN and CNBC. But that's your roadblock. | ||
| If they are, that's... | ||
| Listen, that's just the way I am, dude. | ||
| That's just the way I am. | ||
| But they compete with each other. | ||
| I'm not saying you should be that way. | ||
| I'm just saying, hey, listen... | ||
| I try to help people. | ||
| I say, listen, you're being fucking honeydicked. | ||
| You're being punked. | ||
| Wake up. | ||
| I try to do that, but I'm not going to go crazy with it after a while. | ||
| The economist is owned by the Rothschilds. | ||
| That doesn't shock me. | ||
| That doesn't shock me. | ||
| Does that shock you? | ||
| It's a public company. | ||
| Is Cadbury the candy people? | ||
| They make great candy. | ||
| It's not a public company. | ||
| It's owned by Rothschild. | ||
| It's owned by a lot of people. | ||
| I mean, is anybody shocked? | ||
| So that's what I'm saying. | ||
| I'm saying, when it's coming, When scientists and professors have been bought and paid for, like big ones, like Ivy League schools, like a Yale scientist says this, Harvard professor says this, to push some agenda, then it seems like it could happen. | ||
| And then Operation Mockingbird, you can't ignore that. | ||
| You don't think that's the exception, Eddie? | ||
| You know about it. | ||
| Through mainstream media. | ||
| I'm just saying I don't know who's who and I'm saying I don't know who's who and I know one, this is for me. | ||
| This is just me. | ||
| For me, I'm 100% convinced the moon landings were faked. | ||
| You don't have to believe that. | ||
| What about flat Earth? | ||
| I love him so much. | ||
| I love Eddie. | ||
| What about flat Earth, Eddie? | ||
| There's no proof that the Earth is flat, but when you look into... | ||
| Don't you butt. | ||
| Don't you butt that. | ||
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God damn it. | |
| Hey, listen. | ||
| There's no proof that the Earth is flat. | ||
| Why are all the pictures of Earth from space CGI admitted by NASA? It's the way our satellites I'm just gonna ask a question. | ||
| Nobody here has had their arms around them. | ||
| Do you know why? | ||
| It's a perspective issue, Eddie. | ||
| Do you know why they piece together the pictures of the Earth? | ||
| Because it's a perspective issue. | ||
| The Earth is fucking gigantic. | ||
| That's what they tell you, Joe. | ||
| And when you're at a space station, you're not far enough away to get the full Earth in view. | ||
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Maybe. | |
| There's no pictures of space. | ||
| That's the bottom line. | ||
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When you shoot missiles, you have to take a cap cursor there. | |
| You know this. | ||
| We would watch every space documentary. | ||
| We fucking had all the series. | ||
| The Universe, part 1 to 12. We were so into it. | ||
| I was so into it. | ||
| I would watch these star documentaries. | ||
| Oh, they just get high. | ||
| And every now and then I'd watch it and I'd think, it is weird that we're watching 100% CGI. Like, everything we're watching, there's no actual footage. | ||
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But that's because they don't have the capability to film hypernovas. | |
| I don't know the name of the scientist. | ||
| I don't know the name of the astronomer or the astrophysicist. | ||
| But somebody figured this out. | ||
| They got something out there taking... | ||
| Where's the question? | ||
| No, no. | ||
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Here's what I'm saying. | |
| Where's the question? | ||
| Because I've got to get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Real quick, real quick. | ||
| You know when you look in the stars every night? | ||
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Oh my God. | |
| You know you see the Orion belt? | ||
| Yes, yes, yes. | ||
| Why can't I just talk? | ||
| I mean, why is this annoying? | ||
| This is a stoner talk, dude. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| This is definitely not stoner talk. | ||
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This is a question. | |
| This is a question. | ||
| I'm into it, Eddie. | ||
| There's a question. | ||
| Every night we look up at the stars and we see the Orion belt and we see the North Star. | ||
| You see that shit, right? | ||
| We're gonna do it tonight, you and me, holding hands. | ||
| Isn't that weird? | ||
| Okay, let's say this is the sun right here. | ||
| Let's say that's the sun. | ||
| Man, I don't know why this is pissing people off, but this is the Sun, and this is the Earth. | ||
| Because all this stuff has been figured out, Eddie! | ||
| There's astrophysicists that work their whole life on this! | ||
| No, no, I just want to ask you a question. | ||
| I just want to ask you a question. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| Make fun of me with this! | ||
| Please! | ||
| Make fun of me with this! | ||
| Here's the Sun! | ||
| Here's the Sun! | ||
| Here's the Earth, and it takes a year to go around. | ||
| We spin around there. | ||
| That's mainstream. | ||
| And then we got Mercury and Venus here, right? | ||
| And then Mars and Saturn out here. | ||
| They're all going around. | ||
| And the solar system, according to mainstream, is like a plane. | ||
| No, it's three dimensions. | ||
| And then the sun's going around the goddamn... | ||
| The Earth is spinning 1,000 miles an hour, and it's going around the sun like 60,000 miles an hour, and then the sun's going around the fucking black hole like 900,000 miles an hour, something like that. | ||
| So there's all this shit going on. | ||
| So it takes a year for the sun, for the Earth to go around. | ||
| Yeah, it's huge. | ||
| It takes a year. | ||
| So right here's January, and then right here's June, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when the sun is facing, when we're facing the sun, it's daylight. | ||
| And then when we spin this way, it's nighttime. | ||
| So when it's nighttime, the sun's over here, and we're looking at this side of the space. | ||
| We're looking at this side of space, right? | ||
| There's Orion Belt, the North Star. | ||
| Every fucking night, it's there. | ||
| By the time we get to June over... | ||
| Like, when we're looking at this side of the universe, what the fuck is on the other side of the universe? | ||
| Well, why don't you read some books and get into it, man? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Hold us here hostage asking these crazy questions. | ||
| Listen, do you guys understand what I'm saying? | ||
| Why after? | ||
| Why after? | ||
| But it's in a different place from the sky. | ||
| You guys are like, hey, somebody figured it out. | ||
| I don't know what it is, but somebody figured it out. | ||
| It's just a question. | ||
| Well, Eddie, I don't know the answer. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| That's the question. | ||
| Someone does. | ||
| What is on the other side? | ||
| And when, in six months, when Earth gets over here, Why is it still the same? | ||
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Well, it's in different areas of the sky all the time. | |
| But do you understand that it's not? | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| There's a procession of the equinoxes. | ||
| There's a cycle of thousands of years. | ||
| They've mapped out. | ||
| They know exactly there's a wobble to the earth. | ||
| There's a changing in the sky that we look at. | ||
| And it's one of the ways that they could determine when you go back in history and look at certain things that they had lined up to certain constellations, like in Egypt. | ||
| It's one of the ways they lined it up. | ||
| They line it up because they understand that we're looking at a different area of the sky every night, slightly different, and it changes over the course of thousands of years. | ||
| Why do we see the little dipper every night? | ||
| We should see... | ||
| Every night should be different. | ||
| Every night should be a completely random... | ||
| When you fly a plane, when you shoot a missile, when you shoot a bullet even, I think snipers have to take into account the curvature of the earth. | ||
| No, no, I'm talking about flatter. | ||
| I'm not talking about that. | ||
| I'm talking about the stars. | ||
| Let's wrap this up. | ||
| I'm talking about the stars. | ||
| I gotta get out of here. | ||
| I really gotta get out of here. | ||
| I can't do this. | ||
| I wanted to see if it was flat, though. | ||
| It's definitely not flat. | ||
| I don't know if it's flat or not. | ||
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Good night, everybody. | |
| See ya. | ||
| Thanks, Joe. | ||
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Thanks, Joe. |
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