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Jan. 16, 2017 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience - Fight Companion - January 15, 2017
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brendan schaub
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bryan callen
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joe rogan
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
Three, dos, uno!
We're live, ladies and gentlemen.
Cheers.
Cheers, gentlemen.
brendan schaub
Cheers, boys.
bryan callen
Look each other in the eye.
Always look in the eye.
joe rogan
We're drinking because Eddie Bravo's not here.
Let's be honest.
Sorry, Eddie.
Tower 7. Hashtag chemtrails.
So we're here.
This is a fight companion.
If you've never seen a fight or listened, either one you listened or heard or watched a fight companion.
We watch the fights.
We kind of talk about them, but most of the time now.
Who's this fake Conor McGregor that's selling video games?
See this guy?
Turn this up, Jamie, so you can hear the volume on this.
brendan schaub
He looks like Conor's dad.
joe rogan
Listen to this.
Listen to this.
unidentified
He's too old for that haircut.
joe rogan
He is, but what they're doing...
You're definitely right.
What they're doing is they're capitalizing on the fucking...
The Irish.
brendan schaub
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
The Irish are hot right now.
brendan schaub
Did you see Connor's commercial with John Levitz?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
He shot a commercial.
Have you seen it, Jamie?
And he's like, I'm one of those horse things, going, how's this going to help me win my fight?
John Lovitz is like, what's that M-A-A thing?
And Connor throws something at him.
joe rogan
Yeah, bad idea.
brendan schaub
He's not doing movies.
He's not doing movies.
joe rogan
That's good.
brendan schaub
If he's an expendable 19, then we've got a problem.
joe rogan
We've got a problem.
Well, he's passed on movies, which I think is a very, he's a very wise man.
bryan callen
Yes, he is.
joe rogan
Very wise.
bryan callen
Yes, he is.
joe rogan
You ever had a conversation with him?
brendan schaub
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you guys had him on your show, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
I've had some meals with a dude.
Very smart guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's not fucking around.
brendan schaub
No, not at all.
And he's been offered, and I know from my agent, he's been offered some big time movies.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Like not this bullshit most fighters do, like legit stuff.
And he's like, nah man, I can't right now.
joe rogan
Are you talking about Triple X? No, no, no.
The return of Xander.
unidentified
I'm talking about some legit shit.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I mean, he's a smart dude.
joe rogan
That Triple X movie looks so bad, they should show it to prisoners.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
They should play it over and over again.
Those people in Guantanamo Bay.
They'll give up ISIS. They'll give up everybody.
unidentified
Did you see the bombs on?
joe rogan
Did you see him lip-syncing?
brendan schaub
He was happy because a deal came through and he put on Instagram him lip-syncing but he was doing a Beyonce song?
Hey, bro!
bryan callen
He was being silly, though.
joe rogan
He's opening himself up.
brendan schaub
Not silly.
bryan callen
Oh, no, that's a problem.
You've got to have irony when you do that.
You must have irony.
joe rogan
How do you know he didn't have irony?
brendan schaub
You've got to see it for yourself.
joe rogan
How do you know he didn't have irony?
I'm feeling that jacket.
That jacket's wonderful.
Is that real?
brendan schaub
No, that's from Triple X. I don't mind him in the first one.
bryan callen
I like that jacket on him.
joe rogan
That's a dope jacket.
I want to make a jacket out of a muskox.
brendan schaub
Yes!
joe rogan
Have the furry part on the inside.
bryan callen
God, that'll keep you warm.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, it would.
Maybe too warm.
bryan callen
My dentist almost died from cold hunting muskox.
joe rogan
Oh, you have a nutty dentist.
It's like a crazy big game hunter, right?
bryan callen
Yes, big game hunter.
He almost died.
He was hunting muskox, and it was the coldest winter for them up there, and he almost died.
He and his guide.
unidentified
Why the fuck isn't he fixing your teeth?
joe rogan
He does, and then he makes the money, and then he goes and shoots animals.
Guys get addicted, man.
They get addicted to chasing animals.
And muskox is a crazy one because you've got to go up to the frozen north, and when you're up there, man, there ain't shit up there.
I mean, there's this guy named Tom Miranda.
This is actually a very good fight.
brendan schaub
Fun fight.
joe rogan
John Moraga versus Sergio Pettis.
Dangerous fucking fight for Pettis.
Moraga, who went five rounds with Mighty Mouse, got armbored, maybe four rounds.
brendan schaub
He got beat up pretty bad, though.
joe rogan
He got beat up, but he rocked Mighty Mouse to the straight left.
brendan schaub
That's true.
Then he got dealt with by Joey Benavidez.
joe rogan
That's right, he did.
There's an interesting fight, though, because Pettis is really young.
brendan schaub
It's a big step up for Pettis.
joe rogan
Big step up.
But anyway, there's this guy, Tom Miranda.
He's got this show, Adventure Bowhunter.
And this motherfucker travels all over the world hunting things.
And he went to, I think it was Antarctica.
Wherever the fuck Muscox live.
Yeah, they're way up there.
bryan callen
Somewhere in the Arctic.
joe rogan
Somewhere in the Arctic Circle.
bryan callen
The roof of the world.
joe rogan
It's just nothing.
I mean, there's nothing.
It's white and flat and snow for as long as the eyes can see, and occasionally these animals, I don't know what the fuck they even eat.
I guess they must burrow under the sand and find whatever vegetation.
bryan callen
What do they look like?
joe rogan
Lichen and shit?
bryan callen
Yes, they eat the grass underneath the tundra.
joe rogan
What do they look like?
There's Tom Miranda right there.
That's him shooting one of those things.
That's his fucking guy.
bryan callen
Look what he's wearing, a moon suit.
Literally a moon suit.
joe rogan
Well, he's got to wear, that's camo up there.
He's dressing all white.
But he...
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Oh shit, he shot a polar bear.
brendan schaub
Why the fuck did he shoot a polar bear?
joe rogan
Look at all the dogs around.
bryan callen
He shot a polar bear?
joe rogan
Apparently you talk to the people in Canada and polar bears are a lot more common in Canada than they would have you believe.
Where they're not common or where they're endangered is in areas where the ice shelf is melting.
bryan callen
Like Greenland?
joe rogan
Right.
But it's like grizzly bears.
Grizzly bears used to be in California, but now they're gone.
The last grizzly bear died in the 1800s in California.
Which is weird because grizzly bear is our state mascot.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
If you look at our state flag, rather, the grizzly bear is on the state flag.
brendan schaub
Is that not a black bear on the state flag?
joe rogan
No.
No, it's a grizzly bear.
bryan callen
That'd be a grizzly bear.
joe rogan
It's a grizzly bear.
And you can hunt grizzly bears in Alaska.
There's a lot of them.
So, they're extinct here, but there's a lot of them in Alaska.
That's kind of the same thing with polar bears.
Like, people think that polar bears are extinct, or going extinct.
They're not in Canada.
And my friends in Canada that live up there that are hunters, they tell me there's a lot of polar bears.
brendan schaub
They also say they're the most aggressive bear, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a terrifying bear.
Polar bear, too.
Polar bear is the most aggressive.
brendan schaub
They say polar bear is the worst.
joe rogan
Oh!
Yeah, there he shot.
This guy is a different guy.
brendan schaub
That thing looks like straight out of the fucking dinosaur age.
joe rogan
It looks like a Star Wars animal, right?
bryan callen
Well, it's got to deal with those insane winners.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
And he just dropped that thing.
joe rogan
It's supposed to be delicious, too.
It's like one giant ribeye.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah?
Like a lot of fat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Okay, so Moraga and Pettis, it's four minutes and 15 seconds in.
brendan schaub
Has the Princess Leia horns?
joe rogan
Yeah, look at it, man.
Well, you can see...
Yeah, if you're watching this fight at home, 4 minutes 8, 4 minutes 7, 4 minutes 6, 4 minutes 5, 4 minutes 4, so sync it up.
But these guys that go up there, you know, you're experiencing 30, 50 below zero.
Fuck all that.
brendan schaub
Can you schedule me that?
The first to never?
bryan callen
I would never ever do that.
joe rogan
And they do it in tents sometimes.
And they go out there on snowmobiles.
That's the only way to travel.
bryan callen
Yep.
No thanks.
joe rogan
Which is also fucked up.
bryan callen
I can't deal with that cold.
That's just crazy.
joe rogan
A Moraga, I always thought he was a southpaw.
I guess he's switching up a bit.
He's going back and forth quite a bit.
brendan schaub
Yeah, this is a lot for Pettis.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's an experienced guy.
He's ten years older almost, nine years older.
He's been around.
But you know what?
One of the things that happens with those guys that have been around, you always gotta wonder, like, have they decided they can't be champion anymore?
You know, are they still 100% all-in, living it, breathing it, or have they reached that point where they've got a few losses against top flight competition and the reality of their bills and their life sets in?
And, you know, you gotta wonder.
brendan schaub
I think that's more realistic, especially with a guy like him.
Who knows?
I don't know where his mindset's at, but he got dominated by Joey Benavidez, and then you get smashed by the champ.
It's kind of like, God.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He had a good fight with Mighty Mouse, but Mighty Mouse is just too goddamn fast.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Mighty Mouse did work, though.
joe rogan
But he did crack Mighty Mouse, man.
He probably caught Mighty Mouse the hardest in a championship fight.
He caught him flush.
So we were talking about this before the fight.
I still haven't seen it.
Let's see if Jamie can find it.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
He got cracked!
brendan schaub
He just got cut.
joe rogan
Sergio landed a nice right hand there.
Someone landed an Ezekiel choke while mounted earlier in the card.
The heavyweight.
Whatever Ezekiel choke in the UFC, and he did it from the bottom.
bryan callen
What is an Ezekiel choke?
unidentified
I have to see that.
joe rogan
Ezekiel choke is mostly done with a gi.
You can do it without the gi, but this is what you do.
brendan schaub
God, almost all the time with a gi.
joe rogan
Yeah, you grab your sleeve like this here, and then you go like that and wrap it across the guy's neck.
Right, right, right.
Look at this.
From the bottom.
Look at this.
This is incredible.
He's essentially doing a rear naked choke almost while mounted.
bryan callen
Oh, it's so sneaky.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's nasty.
bryan callen
So disappointed with himself.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's on bottom.
joe rogan
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
He was mounted.
He was mounted and he caught that choke.
One more time.
brendan schaub
That might be the most embarrassing loss if you have heavyweight on top.
joe rogan
I don't know if it's embarrassing, man, because look, what the fuck do you do when a guy's got that on you?
brendan schaub
Go ahead and poke that eye out.
joe rogan
What do you do?
brendan schaub
By any means necessary, get the fuck out of that.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think he expected it, so he thought he was safe because he was mounted, and he just fucking tapped.
Wow.
bryan callen
That's amazing.
brendan schaub
That should be submission of the year.
unidentified
That's a heavyweight, huh?
brendan schaub
That's a heavyweight with 50 fights.
joe rogan
Who is homeboy?
What's his name?
brendan schaub
He's fucking old as shit.
bryan callen
The boa constrictor.
brendan schaub
And he has 50 fights.
joe rogan
Alexei, early Nick.
brendan schaub
Russian feller.
joe rogan
Interesting.
bryan callen
Very awkward.
brendan schaub
Just submitted another heavyweight from the bottom of mount.
joe rogan
I wonder if he let him mount him.
I would like to see the whole fight.
I didn't see the fight at all.
brendan schaub
That's like his go-to move.
I didn't see it either.
My brother texted me and said, hey, this heavyweight just submitted a guy from mount.
joe rogan
So he always does that?
brendan schaub
No.
I'm saying I wonder if he let him get mount because that's like maybe his go-to.
joe rogan
I've got that in no gi from the mount, from when I was mounting someone.
brendan schaub
When you're on top all the time.
joe rogan
It's rare, man.
brendan schaub
Well, against a high-skilled guy, it's going to be tough.
joe rogan
Well, with a gi.
I've got it with a gi.
brendan schaub
I've never seen it without a gi, to be honest with you.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
No.
brendan schaub
Henner's done it to me a couple of times, but I've never done it.
joe rogan
Who has?
Henner.
brendan schaub
Henner's done it with no gi?
Yeah, no gi.
joe rogan
Wow.
Well, they have long-ass arms, man.
Long, skinny arms are so good for those kind of moves.
brendan schaub
I mean, that's for sure the first no-gi Ezekiel choke in the UFC. Even crazier, the guy was mounted.
And a heavyweight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Crazy.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh, they both cracked.
They both cracked at the same time.
Damn.
Dude, Pettis looks real good.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he does.
joe rogan
He looks real good.
Moraga's swinging for the fan.
Oh, he tagged him again.
Pettis tagged him again.
bryan callen
Catch him on the forehead.
joe rogan
Pettis is looking slick.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he really is.
joe rogan
So what do you think of his brother?
I thought his brother's fighting Marabek Tysimov.
bryan callen
Wait, is that his brother Anthony Pettis?
unidentified
Yes.
bryan callen
Oh, I didn't know that.
joe rogan
Oh, man, that's the end of the first round.
bryan callen
I did not know that.
joe rogan
Sergio looked really good.
Not in this fight, and not in this card, he's not.
But I saw that on Instagram.
I'm going to make sure that's true.
It might not be true.
brendan schaub
At 55, though, yeah?
Yeah, he's going back up to 55. And that's the right choice, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think so too.
But I think he's got to put some mass on.
I think he's got, you know, when you're dealing with these Eddie Alvarez, Rafael Dos Anjos type guys that are just mauling him and just staying close to him like glue, I don't think he's physically strong enough.
brendan schaub
I think it's a physical thing, but it's also a technique thing.
Grappling's just not in his wheelhouse, really.
joe rogan
Well, it is.
He's gotten better.
brendan schaub
I'm not saying that he's not good at it, but to the level of Eddie Alvarez and Dos Anjos, it's tough.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
bryan callen
Although he did submit Benson Henderson, right?
unidentified
Yep.
bryan callen
And submitted Gilbert Melendez.
joe rogan
With a guillotine.
brendan schaub
He has some slick jiu-jitsu, but when it comes down to the grind, the transitions and stuff...
joe rogan
He submitted Oliveira, too.
brendan schaub
He has slick jiu-jitsu.
Whenever he fights a bigger dude who can grapple, it's typically when he loses.
joe rogan
Right, yeah.
Well, these fucking guys, man, that lose a ton of weight, they come in big and heavy and strong, and they're better wrestlers, and they're mauled.
brendan schaub
It's a nightmare.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he's used to getting mauled in the gym.
You know, he's a training partner with Askren.
Look at that.
He gets cracked, and then he cracks him back.
That was crazy.
unidentified
Straight right.
Pettis.
Wow.
joe rogan
Pettis looking slick.
Coming together.
brendan schaub
He looks amazing.
unidentified
Amazing. 126. Small guys. 126.
joe rogan
Flyweight, son.
bryan callen
God.
brendan schaub
Flyweight, son.
bryan callen
Thanks, buddy.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a tough division to sell right now.
You know, I mean, Mighty Mouse dominating the division, then they have that Ultimate Fighter episode.
Tim Elliott wins the Ultimate Fighter.
Fights Mighty Mouse, gives him a hell of a fight.
brendan schaub
Hardest fight he's ever had.
joe rogan
And then Mighty Mouse, I mean, he essentially says, I can't ever fight this weight class again.
I gave Mighty Mouse a hell of a fight, but he goes, my body was freezing up, locking up while I was inside the octopus.
That's what Tim Elliott said?
Yeah.
Wow.
He's going up to 35. So that's one more.
And of course, Lineker...
Was a big guy at 25. He goes up to 35 and TJ Dillashaw just fucking ran a train on him.
bryan callen
God, I was crazy.
joe rogan
Woo!
bryan callen
Shows you how good TJ is.
brendan schaub
Straight up train.
Now you got TJ versus Cody.
bryan callen
That's gonna be fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Yeah, that's gonna be amazing.
brendan schaub
That is a tough fight to call, actually.
joe rogan
Okay, so here's the fight, right?
So the dude's on top of him, and he locks it up.
Look, he's got the arm.
He's holding on.
It looks like he's just controlling the posture.
brendan schaub
Here he has it set up.
joe rogan
Sort of, almost.
And the dude mounts him, and then he slides it under the neck.
Look at this.
brendan schaub
He baited him into it, I feel like.
joe rogan
Yeah, I feel like he did, too.
And look at that.
Look at how he's, like, locking him in place.
Wow.
He's holding on in the mount while he's getting tapped.
That's crazy.
The guy on top is using the grapevine.
Look at how he...
This is pretty slick, man.
It's pretty slick.
This is hard.
Well, you hold onto your arm the same as a rear naked choke.
It's like a rear naked choke, but you're doing it in the front of his neck instead of the back of his neck.
It's face to face, though.
bryan callen
So he's grabbing his own bicep there?
joe rogan
Yeah, but look at the guy on top.
Look how the guy on top is grapevining the legs.
brendan schaub
Here you go, Joe.
joe rogan
That's kind of crazy.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like he's holding him in position.
I guess he's trying to take some of the pressure off.
brendan schaub
He even gave him mount.
You see how he leaned his hips to the way to let him slide into mount?
joe rogan
He must do that all the time.
bryan callen
He's sliding that in there.
brendan schaub
That's some veteran shit to give a heavyweight mount to choke him out.
joe rogan
Crazy.
brendan schaub
With a Nogi Ezekiel.
joe rogan
Crazy.
That is fucking crazy.
One more time, Jamie?
brendan schaub
That's pretty cool.
joe rogan
Can we see that one more time?
bryan callen
I'd like to know what he's doing with his hand underneath there.
joe rogan
Well, he's doing like a rear naked choke, like a karate chop.
brendan schaub
Think of rear naked choke, but we're nose to nose.
bryan callen
Right, and he's doing this with his hand.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
bryan callen
Okay.
joe rogan
You know how old school rear naked choke was?
brendan schaub
See, it's the same setup.
joe rogan
You know, old school rear naked choke, like Ken Shamrock style, they used to grab the back of the head like this.
They would palm the back of the head and just squeeze it, which kind of can work, but not on the best guys.
On the best guys, you gotta get the karate chop in the back of the neck.
That's when you get, like, vicious leverage.
So he's doing exactly that same move, but he's doing it on the front of the neck.
brendan schaub
And the guy on top had no idea what was going on, otherwise he would a hand fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, he's like...
brendan schaub
He could a hand fight on the front there.
joe rogan
He doesn't even have a chance to get out of it.
Look, he doesn't even try to get his hands in between.
brendan schaub
Well, he doesn't know what's going on.
joe rogan
Yeah, he doesn't know what's going on, and all of a sudden he's getting tapped.
Amazing.
That's amazing.
brendan schaub
It's rare you get surprised, right?
Something in the UFC? Super rare.
joe rogan
Well, think about it.
There's only one ever Ezekiel choke.
That's it.
And it's from while the guy was mounting him, which is crazy.
There's only one ever omoplata.
That's Ben Saunders who's also on this card.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
Only ever omoplata in the UFC, which is crazy.
brendan schaub
It's tough to pull off.
joe rogan
But it happens all the time in the gym.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
brendan schaub
Man, it's tough to pull off.
joe rogan
You know what it is, man?
Guys usually roll over.
brendan schaub
Yeah, because they want position instead of submission.
Because your chance of finishing, especially with a really tough guy, especially if they have shoulder mobility.
joe rogan
But you've seen how Imanari finishes it, right?
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I'm amazed that that hasn't been in the UFC, because that is such a good technique.
Because you can get that position because a lot of times guys will give you like that rubber guard and mission control position and all you have to do is clear the neck, get that foot across.
Then once you have that foot across and you just start to set up the omoplata, as the guy's defending the omoplata, usually they expose their neck because they're so concentrating on defending the omoplata.
Have you seen how Mackenzie Dern sets it up?
brendan schaub
Yeah, did you see her last fight?
joe rogan
Yes!
What the fuck?
Amazing!
brendan schaub
And she's a timepiece!
joe rogan
Timepiece!
brendan schaub
What is going on in the world?
joe rogan
Jamie, pull up Mackenzie Dern's submission.
A lot of people are saying it's like submission of the year.
She's a real elite Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt, and she's Megaton Diaz's daughter.
And she's a dying piece.
And she sets up this omoplata and then moves from the omoplata to a choke from the back.
brendan schaub
So she has the omoplata and she rolls.
bryan callen
And then she reaches up and grabs her waist first.
joe rogan
She does, but she rolls.
And she winds up on her back choking the girl from behind.
bryan callen
Check it.
joe rogan
Yeah, check it.
It's beautiful.
She's so good.
You know, it's so interesting to see super high-level Jiu Jitsu.
Look how she pins down the neck, she goes with a high guard, and she's using the...
It's not like rubber guard style, she's doing it different.
She's setting up the omelette.
Okay, so she avoids that leg.
That's the big issue as far as defense is, right?
Yeah, keep the leg.
brendan schaub
You can't let them roll.
joe rogan
Right.
So she sits up, she gets her butt out, right?
And so the girl keeps trying to do it, and she won't let her.
But now, once she gets this position, watch how she rolls.
unidentified
Watch.
joe rogan
She rolls on her shoulder.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
So she pulls her on her back.
So look.
Look at her shoulder and neck.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh my god.
unidentified
So look.
joe rogan
She sneaks that left arm under the chin.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Sneaky.
Beautiful technique, man.
Because she can't defend with that arm.
And look.
She uses the butterfly in the left leg, too.
bryan callen
Oh, that's crazy.
joe rogan
It's so nasty.
bryan callen
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It's so nasty.
That's so beautiful.
brendan schaub
It's so high level.
joe rogan
So high level.
And look, the way she sets it up is so cool, too, because she rolls onto her back, too.
Like, you rarely see anyone do this.
Like, watch how she does this.
She rolls onto her back and pulls her on top of her, and that girl's like, what in the fuck is happening?
She's still got her omoplata.
Yeah, that's the whole key.
bryan callen
She's holding onto the omoplata still.
joe rogan
The whole key.
unidentified
Oh, no.
joe rogan
You know how BJ used to do it when he would take guys' backs?
And BJ has that incredible leg sexuality.
He would tie up the arms.
bryan callen
Yeah.
So he's an octopus.
joe rogan
Yes.
Yes, yes.
And so he could defend against the, or he could stop the defense with that leg.
Well, she's doing that kind of same thing, but she's doing it from an omelette.
Look at that girl's arm is locked the fuck up.
unidentified
That's so awful.
brendan schaub
That girl, you know when zebras get attacked by lions, there's just that sheer tear on their face?
Like, that girl had no idea.
unidentified
Look at her arm!
Look at her arm!
brendan schaub
She had no idea what was going on.
joe rogan
Her arm is wrapped up tight, and then on top of that, she's using her butterfly to trap the leg.
Like, look, she wraps that left leg over, and then she goes with the butterfly on the left side.
See how she's doing that?
Goddamn, that's so much control.
So much control.
brendan schaub
I wonder how her English is.
joe rogan
Who gives a fuck?
brendan schaub
I am trying to mark it here.
joe rogan
You could talk to her through one of the maps.
brendan schaub
I'm gonna slide in the DM's with Portuguese, just broken Portuguese.
joe rogan
You see one of those, there's apps that it's like, I think it's called Google Lens.
I've used a world lens.
I've used it.
It's really cool.
When you're in another country, you hold it up to a sign and it translates the sign to English.
bryan callen
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
Dude, when I was in Italy, I would just hold it up to signs and it would translate everything to English.
brendan schaub
That's so cool.
joe rogan
It's incredible.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's incredible.
I mean, real time too.
Real time.
No delay.
brendan schaub
Damn.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's amazing.
I mean, it's a little broken because the translation's off the way they use their pronouns.
bryan callen
You do it with your phone or what?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You just hold your phone up.
bryan callen
God.
joe rogan
It's so cool.
bryan callen
That's crazy.
brendan schaub
Fuck a tour guide now.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
And apparently they're getting so close to having something that sits in your ear.
Like when you go on tour or if you go somewhere, something that sits in your ear and then translates what they're saying to you in real time in your ear.
brendan schaub
God damn, so we don't need to learn anything.
joe rogan
You don't need to learn shit.
brendan schaub
I... Thank God.
joe rogan
Look at this.
In-ear device that translates foreign languages in real time.
brendan schaub
That's so dope!
joe rogan
What is this called, Jamie?
bryan callen
That's amazing.
brendan schaub
So many people losing jobs.
So many people losing jobs?
unidentified
I don't know how good they work, but they're readily available.
joe rogan
So it's already available?
It says you can pre-order it, so maybe it's not.
Sergio looking for the choke.
Moraga's all over him.
We're barely paying attention.
bryan callen
Pettis has got a huge contusion on the inside of his leg.
brendan schaub
$200?
I'm fucking in.
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
That would be $200,000 five years ago.
Wait, what's that?
brendan schaub
Four thousand?
Oh, four million raised.
joe rogan
Oh, so it's like a Kickstarter?
Indiegogo.
brendan schaub
Ah, fuck.
I want the second generation.
You don't want that first one.
It'll get you in trouble, huh?
It'll get you in big trouble.
bryan callen
Get you in trouble in South America.
joe rogan
You might talk some shit accidentally.
brendan schaub
It'll lead you to a whorehouse.
joe rogan
I'm so confused.
The Moraga on top here.
I'm so confused.
Look at this.
Moraga on top here.
brendan schaub
So aggressive.
bryan callen
So aggressive.
Whorehouse.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
Hey, man, I don't know.
You get weird down in South America.
bryan callen
Of course you do.
brendan schaub
I hope you guys never been, for God's sakes.
bryan callen
I hear it's, uh, yeah, that's legal down there.
And if it's legal, it's not...
brendan schaub
How about Pettis?
joe rogan
People love to go to South America to surf.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this.
Moraga dropping down for a leg lock.
Hold on.
Hold on.
You know what, man?
This is changing no-gi.
Changing no-gi is leg locks.
It is a transforming no-gi.
And it's just a matter of time before these Gary Tonin-type characters, these Eddie Cummings...
Start getting into MMA and dominating guys.
brendan schaub
We got Held tonight.
Held tonight's a master.
joe rogan
Marcin Held, yeah.
brendan schaub
He's a master with leg locks.
joe rogan
He is.
But he's fighting Lozon.
And Joe Lozon is a very, very good grappler and certainly good enough to defend and keep that guy off him.
So it's going to be really interesting to see whether or not Marcin can get it to the ground and whether Lozon is up on all the latest shit.
brendan schaub
I hope it goes to the ground.
unidentified
Could be real interesting.
brendan schaub
I really do.
joe rogan
Lozan's no joke, man.
His ground game is super fast, too.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
He dives on things.
Great transitions, yeah.
bryan callen
Why are leg legs changing Nogi?
joe rogan
Well, there's a whole path that took place, and one of the big parts of it was Dean Lister.
Dean Lister was one of the original leg lock guys in America, and super high-level black belt, Abu Dhabi champion.
I mean, Dean Lister's a beast.
bryan callen
Not as thick a human being is a He's about as thick as he gets.
joe rogan
He hasn't had the success lately that he had when he was younger, but make no mistake about it, his knowledge of grappling, super, super high level.
Well, he went down to Henzo's.
Who the fuck was fighting that he went down to Henzo's to help somebody out?
brendan schaub
How long ago is this?
joe rogan
It was a while ago.
Goddammit, why don't I know the fucking...
Anyway, point being, he helped some guys down at Henzo's and showed them some of his leg lock stuff.
And that started with this John Donaher.
John Donaher, who's essentially one of the smartest guys in jiu-jitsu.
brendan schaub
He might be a prophet.
joe rogan
He's a fucking genius.
brendan schaub
When he comes to jiu-jitsu, he's a savant.
joe rogan
He's got a fucking awesome Instagram post today, I think, or maybe yesterday, about using the legs while grappling and how important it is to learn how to use your legs and how much more strength you have in your legs and endurance you have in your legs.
And if you get used...
Using your legs a lot in grappling how much quicker you can progress.
He used BJ Penn as an example.
brendan schaub
He's also the same guy that will rock an Under Armour fit shirt with jeans at the bar.
unidentified
He'll wear a rash guard to a wedding.
bryan callen
Oh, John?
brendan schaub
That's what you're dealing with.
bryan callen
John's always in a rash guard, no matter what.
joe rogan
He's an animal.
But he does not give a fuck.
And he has rules that he'll give you as to when you should get married, and they're basically never.
But he goes over all the rules.
brendan schaub
He gives the students rules?
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're over 50, and she's under 25, and she's worth millions of dollars, and she makes it so you don't have to work, and she brings in other women.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You look crazy.
bryan callen
He's got a great sense of humor.
He's always tongue in cheek.
He's always joking.
unidentified
He's got his PhD in philosophy from Columbia.
joe rogan
Do you know how he got started?
Do you know how Donaher got started?
bryan callen
No, but I was there when John was...
When I was Hensos for the year, I would see John literally every day.
joe rogan
John was a bouncer.
And he was a big fucking power lifter dude.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
That's right.
And he wanted to learn how to do martial arts to protect himself.
brendan schaub
And he's a real smart guy.
joe rogan
So he starts doing Jiu Jitsu and goes...
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Look, I found my life's work!
bryan callen
Ding!
joe rogan
Yes!
And then he gets super into it, becomes a black belt.
Not just, like, one of the most respected black belts, but starts coaching and teaching people.
Apparently he's got, like, some bad joints, man.
Like, real bad.
Like, he's got a bad hip and he had it replaced.
He's been doing it forever.
He's got a bad knee, but I think the knee is a genetic defect.
There he is.
Yeah.
bryan callen
He's so funny.
joe rogan
Fucking genius guy when it comes to jiu-jitsu.
brendan schaub
Nicest guy, too.
joe rogan
The Donaher death squad, all those guys that he's got in New York out of Henzos, like Gary Tonin, like Eddie Cummins, all these super high-level leg-lock attack guys.
But by the way, Gary Tonin's having a submission grappling match against Hector motherfucking Lombard.
brendan schaub
What?
unidentified
Yes.
brendan schaub
In what league?
joe rogan
I think it's Flo Grappling.
unidentified
Flo Combat?
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
See if you can find that.
It's like Sonnen stuff?
I don't know.
I don't know.
It might be.
I hope it is.
unidentified
Me too.
joe rogan
I hope for Chael that it is.
unidentified
Me too.
joe rogan
Because that's an awesome matchup.
unidentified
Sick.
joe rogan
That's a great...
And he just got done fighting Takino.
You know, he fought Husamara Palhares.
That's right.
Went to a draw.
Went to a draw with him.
And Palhares was...
unidentified
Like Jack LaLanne in one of those late night commercials.
bryan callen
Hold on.
brendan schaub
Like the old Pride days.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Okay, what is it?
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Is Jeff Glover in this too?
Who's Jeff Glover have an event with?
unidentified
It's called Submission Underground.
joe rogan
Oh, Submission Underground.
Okay.
Is this Chael Sonnen's thing?
brendan schaub
I feel like it is.
joe rogan
I feel like it is too.
bryan callen
Who's that giant guy?
joe rogan
That's Hector, bro.
bryan callen
That's Hector Lombard?
He's j-j-j-j-j-jacked!
I was gonna say, yeah.
joe rogan
Hector Lombard is...
bryan callen
Is he suspended for a while?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Dude, he was in some sweats.
I thought they were spray-painted on when I saw him.
bryan callen
Remember that?
brendan schaub
Remember that in Vancouver?
We were together.
bryan callen
Sergio Pettis.
joe rogan
Sergio Pettis by decision.
brendan schaub
Best ass I've ever seen.
joe rogan
Can you scroll up a little there?
What is this Dylan Dennis?
brendan schaub
Jeff Glover's Chad Mendes?
bryan callen
What's this right here?
joe rogan
What's going on here?
unidentified
John Jones Dennis.
Oh!
joe rogan
John Jones is taking on Dylan Dennis?
jamie vernon
I don't know, it says it's a fan poster, so I don't know.
brendan schaub
Oh, Jesus.
Oh, that's Boss Logic, that artist?
Might be the best in the world.
You've seen his posters?
joe rogan
Amazing.
brendan schaub
He's the one that does all those crazy posters?
joe rogan
Dope, dope posters.
brendan schaub
Oh, ridiculous.
joe rogan
Is he the one that did Conor McGregor in an MMA glove punching Floyd in the mouth?
brendan schaub
Correct.
He also did the New York one with all the dope stuff.
joe rogan
Let me tell you, here's where Conor McGregor can win.
Here's where Conor McGregor can win.
MMA gloves.
Let's have a boxing match with MMA gloves.
brendan schaub
I don't think you need to do that.
joe rogan
Well, Floyd's had some serious problems in the past with his hands.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
And he uses those big-ass pillow gloves because of it.
And he's been known to not really sit down on his punches.
He just picks guys apart.
There's no doubt about it.
Floyd is a masterful boxer.
But that's a big transition for him to fighting with small gloves.
He's never going to agree to that.
Just as big as the transition is for Conor to fight with bigger gloves.
unidentified
Right.
brendan schaub
You're right.
They're going to do boxing, but I honestly think with how Conor moves, don't get me wrong, Floyd's one of the best of all time, if not the best, but it's a lot for him to adapt to.
Conor's big, he hits fucking hard, he can go both ways.
joe rogan
We'll see.
We'll see.
I want to see what...
Look at all the work this guy puts in.
Oh, is he the one who did the fucking Joey Diaz and me?
bryan callen
Ha ha ha!
joe rogan
Fucking Calabeeb has got him!
Joey with his gum flying out of his mouth.
brendan schaub
Your gun's flying out of your mouth.
unidentified
His fucking gum's always flying out of his mouth!
bryan callen
Conor's not gonna really fight.
That's not gonna happen, that fight.
joe rogan
Hey dude, it's a lot of fucking money.
Here's the deal.
Floyd Mayweather's last pay-per-view made 300,000 bucks.
Dana had a real good point.
He goes, Conor's last two pay-per-views were 1.3 million and 1.5 million.
He goes, Floyd's was 300,000.
brendan schaub
And it's a great point.
joe rogan
He goes, and Floyd's asking for 500 million, or 100 million rather.
He goes, you're out of your fucking mind.
He goes, here's a real deal.
I'll give you 25 million, I'll give Conor 25 million, and then we'll talk about pay-per-view after a certain amount.
brendan schaub
And then you get 1,000 from Reebok.
joe rogan
You get 4,000.
It's not a championship fight, but it's a main event.
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
Look at this.
unidentified
Boom!
brendan schaub
Hey, B, this is why it's getting serious, because Dana addresses it, made an offer on national TV. Floyd was on Showtime last night, and they go, is there any boxer that could bring you out of retirement?
He goes, nope.
The only fight that would get me out of retirement is Conor McGregor.
It's the only fight I want.
joe rogan
He knows there's so much money in that fight.
Conor McGregor is a goddamn giant.
brendan schaub
I've been saying it's going to fucking happen.
joe rogan
But see, the thing is, that's a fight that would transcend into the total casual person.
brendan schaub
Yes!
joe rogan
The same way the Ronda Rousey fights do, but even more so.
But that would dump on that.
This might be like 3 million.
This might be like 3 million.
Because it might be such a freak show that people would come out of the woodwork.
How is 3 or 4 million?
brendan schaub
I think so.
unidentified
He's going for it!
brendan schaub
I'm getting nuts!
joe rogan
What's the most pay-per-view?
brendan schaub
I never exaggerate.
joe rogan
What would you say is the biggest pay-per-view fight ever?
What was the number?
No.
1 of all time.
brendan schaub
Pacquiao Mayweather, right?
Pacquiao Mayweather.
joe rogan
Is that the biggest of all time?
brendan schaub
Isn't it?
joe rogan
Okay, but before we look at the numbers, let's guess.
I'm going to say 2.5.
Is that the biggest ever?
brendan schaub
I'm going to say almost 3. It is for that fight.
joe rogan
It is for Pacquiao Mayweather?
Yeah, but you're off on the number.
What's the number?
brendan schaub
I think it's five, right?
unidentified
4.6 mil.
brendan schaub
Wow!
That's why I'm saying Conor and them can beat that!
joe rogan
But damn, how much money did Mayweather make in that fight?
Revenue of 400 million.
Oh my Jesus!
So he probably made at least 100 plus million.
brendan schaub
Didn't they say he made 150?
160 million?
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
And Pacquiao made like 80 or 100. But him and Conor, you're getting...
Even if you hate Conor, you're still getting all those MMA fans because he represents us.
Even if you hate Floyd, you're getting all those boxing fans, even if you hate Floyd.
And then the two worlds just go, good douche!
joe rogan
Do you think that they can make it up to that level?
Oh, yeah.
bryan callen
Wow.
brendan schaub
That's why Dana's entertaining it.
bryan callen
I want to know why Connor or how Connor isn't concerned he'll get knocked out in the first round.
brendan schaub
He has nothing to lose.
He won't get knocked out in the first round.
bryan callen
No?
brendan schaub
He won't get knocked out in the first round.
It doesn't work that way.
bryan callen
I mean, you can protect yourself against even somebody that good.
brendan schaub
Connor's very high level and quick.
And also, Mayweather doesn't hit that hard.
Connor's a lot bigger.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
Conor moves different than a lot of boxers do because he's so used to leg kicks, he's so used to takedowns, and he has a different stance.
That alone will take a little bit of time for Mayweather to adjust to, but Mayweather has the ability to be in the right place at the right time always, and it's so deceptive.
It's so deceptive because it doesn't look like he's doing anything special.
But if you watch the way he's moving, he's never out of position, and he's always popping you with that jab, and he's still, even at 37?
38?
No, he's 39, yeah?
Or he might be 40. Lightning fast.
brendan schaub
He doesn't take, especially lately, though, he doesn't take advantage of getting out of the way.
He's winning rounds with the jab, then he's dicking and dodging, getting out of the way.
I think for Conor, though, man, it's a win-win for him.
joe rogan
Could you imagine...
If Conor lands the left hand...
bryan callen
That's what I'm saying!
It ain't gonna happen.
What would we do?
joe rogan
Hey man, listen.
Conor fought, I mean rather, Floyd fought Riccardo Mayorga.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, not Riccardo Mayorga.
brendan schaub
You're thinking of Madonna.
joe rogan
Who is Madonna?
unidentified
Madonna.
joe rogan
Marco's Madonna, right?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
And Madonna connected at the end of one of the rounds.
He connected with a big fucking right hand and had him sit down for a second.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
bryan callen
Did he hit him though?
joe rogan
Because I watched that fight.
He clipped him once.
bryan callen
It felt like he still caught a little shoulder, you know?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It was really only once.
But it was the first fight.
The second fight, Floyd boxed his fucking face up.
Sugar Shane wobbled him, too, though.
See, and Maidana is, you know, murderous puncher.
And he would throw those crazy Chuck Liddell-style overhand rights.
So he's all over Floyd here.
And at the end of one of the rounds, amazing.
bryan callen
Look at him.
joe rogan
But listen, this guy is way smaller than Conor.
Let's think of this.
We're talking about a guy here that's fighting 147, 154. Conor, although he's made it down to 145, he's physically much larger than this guy.
bryan callen
Conor won't put a glove on him.
I love that you guys are talking about it.
He won't put a glove on him.
And he will not hit him.
And I think Floyd's going to do whatever he wants.
brendan schaub
Hey, you want to bet Bryce lose every bet.
joe rogan
And you pay none of them off.
It's very strange.
bryan callen
To say that Conor McGregor is...
brendan schaub
He won't land a shot?
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
Can you pour me some more wine?
bryan callen
No, he certainly won't land a clean shot.
brendan schaub
Nah, what do me and Joe know?
Pour me some more wine.
bryan callen
Well, what I do know is that great fighters haven't done it.
I mean, I know that he made Manny Pacquiao look clumsy.
I know that.
joe rogan
Sure.
brendan schaub
Pacquiao had one arm.
I know that.
joe rogan
But look at this mauling.
bryan callen
But he's done it to everybody.
joe rogan
Oh, see, Maidana clipped him there with a left or a right uppercut, rather.
But at the end of one of the...
Oh, dude, he's a beautiful boxer.
bryan callen
Look at him.
joe rogan
Look at that.
bryan callen
Beautiful boxer.
Does whatever he wants.
joe rogan
Hey, man, you don't get to be 49-0 without being fucking sensational.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
You just don't.
bryan callen
He's the best defensive boxer of all time, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I would say so.
I would say so.
He also hasn't fought in two years.
Pernell Whitaker lost later on in his career.
He wasn't able to sustain it as long as Mayweather has.
So what Mayweather's been able to do is sustain it better than anybody and also keep improving.
When he fought Canelo, a lot of people thought Canelo was going to give him a hard time.
brendan schaub
Young Canelo is too big for him.
joe rogan
He fought Canelo up.
Okay, look at this.
They're having the ultimate fight.
They're having Cody and DJ and TJ to coach each other on the ultimate fighter or to coach opposite each other.
unidentified
That's going to be amazing.
brendan schaub
How much shit talking is going on in that season?
joe rogan
God, it's going to be Team Alpha Male versus TJ? Dude, the psychological damage he could take from that encounter.
brendan schaub
I guess Cody has tape of him knocking out TJ in practice.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what he keeps saying.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
He wouldn't be saying it unless it was real.
brendan schaub
No, he definitely has it.
Not that that really matters because it's practice, isn't it?
joe rogan
It kind of does.
I mean, it just kind of does.
brendan schaub
It kind of does at the end of the day.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, listen, man, I'm a huge Floyd Mayweather fan of him, like, skill-wise as a boxer, and I think that he made it through prize-fighting better than anybody ever.
bryan callen
That's right.
And he takes top-ranked fighters.
I mean, the best in the world who are boxers, specifically.
And does anything he wants.
I've never seen anything like it.
brendan schaub
Gentlemen, he hasn't fought in two years, and he's 40 now.
bryan callen
He's 40. Those things are all true.
I don't care.
joe rogan
Well, you're both right.
You're both right.
You're both right.
You know, I mean, that's what makes it so intriguing.
He is 40. Look, if he was in his prime and...
brendan schaub
It's not a conversation.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not really a conversation.
And, you know, Conor would most likely get boxed up.
It's just a different thing, man.
What Mayweather can do with his movement, like right there.
Oh, look at that.
I mean, it's just a different thing.
His language is...
You know what, man?
Look what Joe Smith Jr. did to Bernard Hopkins.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
And Bernard Hopkins was like the untouchable man forever.
Now, granted, you're dealing with a...
He was 50. 11 years old.
bryan callen
He was 51, almost 52. Father Time, like Brendan was saying, Father Time sometimes will just go, he'll just tap you on the shoulder and just go, it's time now.
And that's when you get knocked out.
To everybody.
joe rogan
To everybody.
Undefeated.
bryan callen
Father Time is a motherfucker, and he just waits.
joe rogan
For now, I think within our lifetime, we're going to see Father Time start to take some L's.
brendan schaub
Technology takes out Father Time, too?
joe rogan
I think what's going to happen is, do you know that there's a startup now that will fill your body with the blood of young people like a goddamn vampire?
bryan callen
What?
brendan schaub
Give me some of that vampiro blood right now.
joe rogan
There's some fucking new research that's shown that if you take old blood from mice and put it in young mice, they slow down and get tired and they get sicker.
But if you take young blood from young mice and put it in old mice, they literally go back in time.
They reverse.
They get faster.
They have more energy to recover better.
bryan callen
They probably have more testosterone in their bodies and everything?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, that too.
brendan schaub
Everything.
joe rogan
But not just that.
It's new cells.
Yeah, the age of the blood itself changes.
brendan schaub
You got them old ass cells.
Hey bro, don't try biting me and sucking my blood.
joe rogan
How much is it, Jamie?
80,000?
8,000.
8,000 bucks to start up and fill your veins with the blood of young people.
Jamie, book an appointment.
The kid's going in.
brendan schaub
No, we could just put a post on Instagram and get some young broads in LA and just drain them a hundred bucks for their blood.
bryan callen
That's a lot of estrogen in the blood, bro.
joe rogan
But you have to get the right blood.
You want a guy's blood, you don't want a girl's blood.
bryan callen
Get man blood.
Why did you say that?
joe rogan
Does it matter?
What if you get the blood?
Seriously, though.
Get man blood, bro.
brendan schaub
Hashtag man blood.
joe rogan
But they check your blood.
Think about that.
They check your blood, and they find all these different things in your blood, right?
They can find steroids in your blood.
They find drugs in your blood.
They also find what your testosterone levels are and all sorts of different hormone levels.
If that's the case, then that means the blood must vary in its potency.
What you would do is you'd hire someone to live a monastic life of nothing but grass-fed muskox.
unidentified
Like a little deal.
bryan callen
And broccoli.
joe rogan
And broccoli and fucking asparagus and shit.
You feed this guy all the best supplements and get his hormones just perfect.
brendan schaub
You inject him with the drugs?
joe rogan
No, you drain him.
You take his blood and you pump it into you.
You pay him.
You pay him to give up a gallon of that blood.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
How much blood does a person keep on them at any given time?
bryan callen
Eight pints, right?
joe rogan
Is that what it is?
brendan schaub
Yeah, eight pints.
Because you can only donate, what, two or three before you get all lightheaded and have to drink OJ and shit?
unidentified
I think one.
bryan callen
One or two.
Maybe one.
unidentified
One.
joe rogan
So if these people are giving up their blood, I mean, are you getting the blood from, like, one guy and then another guy?
Well, one guy's a fucking...
brendan schaub
I want it pure.
joe rogan
He's just napping, jerking off all day.
bryan callen
I want some pure blood.
joe rogan
They're going with this fake Conor McGregor guy getting this ad.
brendan schaub
God damn it.
joe rogan
Selling video games.
brendan schaub
Way too old for that haircut again.
joe rogan
Conor's dad.
With a mohawk.
brendan schaub
Hey, this has to be in LA or fucking, or it's like in some dark part of Germany.
San Fran.
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
It's in Monterey.
joe rogan
What is?
unidentified
Well, I'm up there the first week of fucking February.
brendan schaub
Jamie, book it.
joe rogan
The doctor used to be an Olympic rower.
bryan callen
We're doing cobs.
joe rogan
Hold on, say that again.
The doctor used to be an Olympic rower.
Yeah?
unidentified
The girl that's running the trial.
joe rogan
Yeah?
brendan schaub
That doesn't make me feel any better.
joe rogan
Well, is it a trial?
Do they have any results so far?
Have they done it?
unidentified
Young Plasma clinical trial.
They're going to post results as they get them.
brendan schaub
I don't want to be a guinea pig.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
brendan schaub
Oh, no, I need some legit shit.
unidentified
It's new.
bryan callen
We're doing a...
brendan schaub
Well, I'm gonna do that and then have that translated in my ear like an asshole.
bryan callen
Go ahead and have some of that.
Jeez, it's ridiculous.
joe rogan
I would normally say there's gotta be...
Don't chew in the microphone, Brian.
Jesus fucking Christ.
I would normally say that there's probably gotta be something to it, but...
On the heels of that Theranos thing, do you know about Theranos?
You don't know about that?
Oh my god.
Theranos is one of the most fascinating technology stories of the last year.
Theranos was this huge startup that was, they were working with Walgreens, and they had these contracts, I think with, I want to say with Costco too, I don't know who it was, but there was this woman, she was the Biggest self-made billionaire ever.
She was worth, at one point in time, some, like, $30 billion or something fucking crazy.
She was the female Steve Jobs, and she would dress like Steve Jobs.
Down to the turtleneck and the sweater, the whole deal.
unidentified
Some bullshit.
joe rogan
No, no, worse than that.
It was all fraud.
Her company was bullshit.
The results were like 65% accurate, and they were trying to pass it off as being in the high 90s.
brendan schaub
What was she selling?
joe rogan
They hid results.
It's a blood test.
All they would have to do is take a prick of your blood, and then with that blood, they can test you for a variety of different diseases.
So people were making critical health decisions based on this blood test that they had proof wasn't working correctly.
So one of the people that worked at Theranos became a whistleblower.
She went from being worth billions of dollars to being worth zero.
Because they sued her?
brendan schaub
I'm sure she sued through the ass, too.
joe rogan
No, because the government stopped them from doing these tests.
She's getting sued through the ass, for sure.
brendan schaub
I'm sure she has money in the bank, but that's going to go away.
joe rogan
No, there's no money anymore.
There's no money.
brendan schaub
She didn't have personal money?
joe rogan
It doesn't matter.
unidentified
It was stock money.
joe rogan
It's all gone.
Not only that, there's hundreds of millions of dollars in lawsuits.
brendan schaub
I got a good bullshit leader.
joe rogan
But let me just explain what's happening.
So what happened was, everybody bought this package of who this person was.
This female Steve Jobs.
And they wanted to buy into it so hard.
And it became a marketing thing.
She was wearing black turtlenecks, man.
unidentified
God damn it.
brendan schaub
Damn it.
joe rogan
She was literally doing the Steve Jobs look.
brendan schaub
I will kick that bitch in the titty and say that she had white new balances on it.
joe rogan
And here's where it all came down to.
It all came down to one really fucking clunky sentence that she said when she was trying to explain what went wrong.
See if you can pull up the Wired magazine article.
She said something.
And what she said was like, they explained how it worked.
And she goes, well, it's a chemistry that takes place and use incorrect terminology.
And so a writer started digging in.
bryan callen
And you realize she didn't know what she was talking about.
joe rogan
I saw a speech that she gave at this women's conference thing, this women's empowerment thing.
And when I was watching her talk, I'm like, God, her thoughts are so cluttered.
It's like she didn't know she was going to give a speech, and she's giving this speech.
By the way, this fight is a good fight for two reasons.
I haven't seen Holt.
One, because Ben Saunders is fucking wicked on the ground, especially off of his back.
And two, because Court McGee has incredible stamina.
I mean, incredible.
He works out at...
Yeah, and he's at the pit elevated, which is up there in Utah, high elevation, and the fucking guy is just relentless with his cardio.
bryan callen
I haven't seen him in a while either.
brendan schaub
He's taking a little time off.
joe rogan
So Ben has had more problems with his stamina, and I hope he's corrected that.
brendan schaub
Ben's nasty in the clinch, man.
joe rogan
He is.
He's very nasty with knees, and he's super good off of his back.
Like one of the best guys off of his back.
brendan schaub
He's long too, man.
bryan callen
He's got those mutton chops.
joe rogan
Do you see the statement, Jamie?
unidentified
I don't see an exact statement.
There's an article that said that came out.
bryan callen
Ben's a huge 170. He kind of started it all.
unidentified
He started the whole problem, and then they followed that article.
brendan schaub
First of all, if you buy anything from a lady dressed as a fake Steve Jobs, you're fucked already.
I would walk in, like, oh, she's dressed like Steve Jobs.
joe rogan
See you later.
What's the headline?
Pull up the headline of this article so I can see if that's the right one.
No, go to the top.
Go to the top.
Everything.
No, that's not it.
brendan schaub
Let's find her and get her blood.
joe rogan
No, her blood is filled with debt.
She's fucked.
Yeah, she's fucked, man.
unidentified
Negativity?
brendan schaub
Hey, think about that phone call when they called her that it's all out.
joe rogan
Wall Street Journal did an article about it, exposing it, and then Vanity Fair did an article exposing it.
brendan schaub
Where do you get your news from, bro?
That's what she should have said.
joe rogan
Fake news.
Eddie, quick!
brendan schaub
Hire Eddie Bravo.
joe rogan
Did you see Trump said that to CNN? Yeah.
He wouldn't answer CNN. He said, you're fake news.
brendan schaub
In front of them.
joe rogan
In front of them.
brendan schaub
Like, nope, not answering fake news.
joe rogan
So bad for CNN. And you know what?
In this case, he's right.
They talked about unsubstantiated reports.
I mean, they basically were spreading propaganda for whoever the fuck invented it, whether it's a troll or whether it's a government organization.
Yeah, not good.
Not good.
You know, and Trump had a really good point.
brendan schaub
I kind of like that.
joe rogan
He had a really good point, too.
He's like, everybody knows I'm a germaphobe.
He goes, I'm not hiring people to pee on me or pee on anybody.
Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
bryan callen
Yeah, that was ridiculous.
Well, apparently that guy, that ex-British operative, wasn't he hired by...
I think certain Democratic super PACs are somebody like that to discredit Trump.
I mean, it's basically...
brendan schaub
And he came up with a golden shower party?
joe rogan
It's just so uncreative.
brendan schaub
I bought that shit.
joe rogan
Did you?
brendan schaub
I did.
I was like, damn, he likes to party.
joe rogan
Saunders is looking good on the outside, man.
Looking good with those...
brendan schaub
I gave it to Rogan.
joe rogan
I'm not eating while the podcast's going.
I'm a professional.
bryan callen
God, you are a professional.
You're so disciplined.
brendan schaub
That's some of the best cheese you've ever tried.
joe rogan
I'm here to work, bro.
bryan callen
It's gotta be some of the best cheese, right?
joe rogan
Is it raw milk cheese?
bryan callen
Sure is.
joe rogan
Wow, you are an artisan lover.
bryan callen
I don't tolerate cow milk as well as I tolerate goat milk.
joe rogan
Court has had some serious fucking injuries, man.
brendan schaub
He's had some battles.
joe rogan
Didn't he have like a serious hand injury?
He had something really wrong with his hand.
brendan schaub
He took like two years off.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I want to say it was a hand injury.
brendan schaub
Ben Saunders got cut from the UFC. This is his first fight back, huh?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
No, he's had more than one fight back, I believe.
brendan schaub
No, his last fight was in some weird location in Wisconsin.
Oh, he went back again?
Really?
Pretty sure.
Can you confirm that, Jamie?
I'm pretty sure, though.
joe rogan
You know what?
I think you're right.
This is his third run with the UFC, then.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
He's looking good, man.
And Court's caught.
Court's caught over that left eye.
See, but here's the thing.
What's the matter?
No?
unidentified
Fight night.
Fight night at the island is what it was called.
I'm sorry.
brendan schaub
Yeah, UFC didn't do those.
unidentified
He had a fight earlier last year.
joe rogan
Oh, he had a fight.
jamie vernon
UFC fight night 81, January 2016, and then September he fought.
joe rogan
Fight night at the island.
brendan schaub
In Wisconsin, though, yeah?
unidentified
Versus Volkman.
joe rogan
Oh, Jacob Volkman.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Jacob Volkman.
That was outside the UFC. There's no UFC island in Minnesota.
joe rogan
Yeah, Volkman is a guy from Minnesota.
unidentified
Remember that guy?
joe rogan
Yeah, good grappler, man.
Real good grappler.
brendan schaub
He was winning fights, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He was one of the guys that called out Obama after...
He had been visited by the Secret Service.
brendan schaub
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
Because he called out Obama because he fucking...
Obamacare basically killed his business.
brendan schaub
Damn.
bryan callen
Really?
joe rogan
A lot of small doctors, small practices apparently suffered from Obamacare.
If you talk to Volkman about it, he's very, very vocal about it.
Very upset.
brendan schaub
Vocal as he can be, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't...
You know what, man?
There's not enough shit...
And not enough time, rather, in the world to pay attention to everything.
And when you're paying attention to things that...
Like, you know, Obamacare.
If you want to really go through how it affects all these doctors, you'll just probably go crazy and start feeling sad for all these people that got fucked over.
bryan callen
Look up how long, how big the bill was.
The initial bill I think was 2,400 pages.
joe rogan
2,400 pages?
Who's gonna read that?
bryan callen
Nobody.
Nobody read it.
joe rogan
Isn't that part of the problem?
bryan callen
I think two people, two journalists read it and they broke it down.
And I tried to read that and it was hard.
brendan schaub
Think about that gig.
joe rogan
Not so fun.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Definitely not like doing a podcast.
brendan schaub
No.
They probably didn't get paid much for that.
bryan callen
Nope.
joe rogan
Yeah, they probably got on a secret FBI list, too.
brendan schaub
They probably didn't smoke weed and drink wine with their friends.
bryan callen
No, they did it.
They read the whole thing, broke it down.
I read that, and I read it again, and I still didn't really understand it.
brendan schaub
You read their summary?
bryan callen
I read the summary.
brendan schaub
How long was their summary?
bryan callen
It was long enough.
No, it was long.
It was long enough for me to be terribly bored.
joe rogan
So what is the main beef?
Is that it makes employers spend more money on insurance for their employees, right?
bryan callen
No, because you can opt out.
You can get people...
I know that I've talked to business owners about...
So you can give them an option, I guess.
So in other words, if you're a full-time employee, I have to pay all of your insurance.
So one of the side effects is that Companies will say, well, if it means I have to hire you for 40 hours a week or 30 hours a week is full time, I'm going to hire you for 18 hours a week and hire somebody else for 9 hours a week.
So both of you guys have to work part time.
So what does that do to the busboy or guys like that?
They really need that full time work.
joe rogan
Right.
bryan callen
So now they can only work part-time because the company can't afford to hire him full-time because there's some kind of a mandate.
Either he's got to pay a $2,000-something fine in not paying his health care, or he's got to pay for his health care.
So there are certain mandated things.
And the problem, I don't know enough about it, and I think it has helped some people.
brendan schaub
That's right, though, B, because I know people who are affected by that.
bryan callen
Yeah, and I know people who need it, and there are about 20 million people that are on it now or something crazy, and they benefit from it, so it's a tough issue.
joe rogan
So who's benefiting from it?
bryan callen
The people that drafted it were probably not very business savvy.
They were probably bureaucrats and not necessarily small business savvy.
brendan schaub
They didn't realize they were going to take advantage of some of the rules.
joe rogan
Right, that someone would figure out a loophole.
So who does benefit from it?
bryan callen
People who can't afford healthcare, people who get a condition, for example, and then the insurance company drops them.
You know, there are a lot of people that had healthcare, they get a very serious illness, and they get dropped.
And then they say, if you really want healthcare now, try getting healthcare when you've got a life-threatening disease.
So it does help a lot of people.
The problem is, once again, who pays for it?
Oh, ooh.
How do you get doctors to do it?
There's all kinds of things.
joe rogan
What do you think is the solution?
As a civilized society, do you think that everybody should have healthcare?
bryan callen
Personally, I do.
I get more that way as I get older.
However, I also think one of the culprits is a lack of competition among states.
And the reason for that is this.
So, you're not really able to shop for insurance across state lines.
Why?
Because insurance companies basically have their territory that they all agree not to encroach upon.
Okay?
So that's another part.
joe rogan
They just agree to it?
bryan callen
Yeah!
They all agree, right?
This is my garbage route.
That's your garbage route.
Don't mess with my business.
I won't mess with your business.
What we need to do is have competition.
One of the ideas is to have competition among all the insurance companies and to the lowest bidder goes the spoils.
So now if I can't get insurance in California, maybe somebody in Hawaii, maybe somebody in Tennessee is offering insurance for less.
joe rogan
We're missing a real good fight right here.
brendan schaub
Yeah, we are.
In the UK, don't they get free health insurance?
joe rogan
Yes, they do.
brendan schaub
And I heard it sucks for them.
joe rogan
Yes, it does.
brendan schaub
Because if something goes wrong, they have to wait, like, for fucking ever to get seen.
bryan callen
Not only that, look at the innovation in healthcare.
The innovation in new drugs and all that is here in this country.
joe rogan
It's the same issue with Canada.
Some people tell you it's awesome, they have free healthcare, but I've had friends that had surgery up there by subpar doctors, and they've had to go in second and third time to fix things.
bryan callen
Or they have to wait nine months before they get their office.
joe rogan
That's the big thing, the wait.
So a lot of them that have money wind up coming to America to get surgery from American surgeons, but I don't know, man.
bryan callen
But also the innovation in medical technology, most of it happens in this country, and the theory is because there's more profit to be made.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's where innovation gives birth.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
I mean, they have to have incentive in order to spend money.
In order to come up with things like this, whoa, this is a good fucking fight, man.
brendan schaub
Real veteran scrap.
joe rogan
I'm amazed at how good Saunders is looking on the outside, like able to slide in and out using his reach.
brendan schaub
I'm more impressed with Corda, how he's just making a dogfight.
joe rogan
Every fight he fights in is a dogfight.
brendan schaub
That guy's a beast.
Didn't he like die from meth or some shit and then came back?
joe rogan
Yeah, from some drug.
bryan callen
Heroin or something?
joe rogan
Something like that.
brendan schaub
He was homeless too, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's been to the other side.
We call it the dark side.
Him and Matt Brown both have like that similar quality.
bryan callen
I spoke to him for a while one time, and he's such a smart, nice guy.
brendan schaub
He's such a fucking nice guy.
bryan callen
Smart dude, too.
He struck me as very intelligent.
joe rogan
Yeah, when he gets out of this, he's going to do well for himself in life with whatever he chooses to do.
brendan schaub
I hope he doesn't wait too long to get out.
bryan callen
And Ben Saunders is a really nice guy.
We had dinner with him that time.
joe rogan
Great guy.
brendan schaub
He's been on The Companion.
joe rogan
And Eddie's there with him right now.
That's why Eddie's not here.
brendan schaub
Eddie's right there in his corner.
joe rogan
That's Eddie, right below him.
He's, well, remember Tower 7. Chemtrails.
Remember.
brendan schaub
Tell them about Pizzagate right now.
joe rogan
He's worked with Ben extensively, especially on his guard.
Ben's guard is wicked.
Ben's the only guy to ever get an omoplata in the UFC. And his guard is fucking super high level.
And he's also got the perfect build for it because he's so long and tall.
And he spends a lot of time with Eddie.
brendan schaub
I wonder if 70 is too much of a cut of diminishing returns.
joe rogan
He's so fucking big.
No, no, he's okay.
He's okay at 70. You know, when we joke around about Eddie, but Eddie's my boy, and he's like legitimately one of the very best jujitsu instructors on the planet Earth.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's amazing at it.
brendan schaub
I don't think anyone gets that twisted, do they?
joe rogan
Well, they do sometimes because they hear the conspiracy theory talk and they just sort of dismiss everything.
But people love to do that, you know?
Like...
Eddie loves conspiracies.
That's his shit, you know?
brendan schaub
That's what he's into.
joe rogan
Who gives a fuck?
His jiu-jitsu is top-notch.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Top-notch.
brendan schaub
He's one of the best professors in the world.
His gym's all over.
He's a super successful guy.
joe rogan
But he's not teaching jiu-jitsu in here.
His innovation, too.
What's this hot-looking Japanese girl doing?
What's this commercial?
Oh, she's leaving him.
brendan schaub
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
She's going to a black guy's house.
bryan callen
Hey!
joe rogan
Whoa.
Marvin Eastman's waiting on the other side.
brendan schaub
You went old school.
Marvin Eastman.
joe rogan
Marvin Eastman was a tank.
brendan schaub
He really was a tanky tank.
unidentified
Maybe Bobby Lashley's texting her right there.
brendan schaub
Speaking of tanks.
joe rogan
Bobby Lashley's ridiculous.
He's just huge.
You know who's ridiculous?
He's fighting soon.
It's Francis Ngannot.
brendan schaub
He's fighting Orlovsky, right?
bryan callen
He's ridiculous.
brendan schaub
His first big test.
joe rogan
Where is he fighting Orlovsky?
unidentified
Is that Brooklyn?
bryan callen
In the Congo.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
The last bottle of malaria medication.
bryan callen
Yeah, they're going to airdrop in the middle of the Congo.
brendan schaub
It's definitely not Congo, and it's not Brooklyn, because that'd be a great fucking card to be on.
Why not put them on there?
joe rogan
They should put them on there, but I think they're headlining a card.
brendan schaub
Then it's fight pass, huh?
joe rogan
I think it's a fight pass.
brendan schaub
Oh, God damn it.
joe rogan
Oh, it's in Denver?
brendan schaub
Why would they put heavyweights in Denver?
joe rogan
Oh, in Denver.
unidentified
It's on Fox.
brendan schaub
See, that's how you know Joe Silva's gone, because after Mark Hunt fought Ben Rothwell, I asked for a fight in Denver, he goes, we will never let heavyweights fight in Denver again.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
bryan callen
Just because guys can't deal with the thinness of the air.
brendan schaub
Did you see Ben Rothwell, Mark Hunt?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Oof.
bryan callen
Too exhausted.
joe rogan
They gas out hard.
Meanwhile, then they have fucking Kane versus Verdum in Mexico City, which is 2,000 feet above fucking Denver.
unidentified
Oh.
brendan schaub
See, I don't think that's our boy Joe Silva doing that.
He knows better.
joe rogan
What, Mexico City?
brendan schaub
Yes.
Yeah.
The new guy's like, ah, they'll figure it out.
joe rogan
But no, but Mexico City was, well, Joe Silva was there.
Damn, Sam Alvey and Nick Martin.
brendan schaub
I know, but he doesn't make the title fights.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
brendan schaub
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Okay.
That's crazy.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Nate, Sam.
So, this is funny.
Nate was Sam's coach on Ultimate Fighter.
Like, they were training partners in his coach.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You know, guys sleep on Nate, you know, which is interesting.
Like C.B. Dalloway went chasing after Nate like Nate's done.
And Nate uncorked one on him and knocked him out cold.
brendan schaub
I mean, he's on the back nine for sure.
joe rogan
For sure.
brendan schaub
We're walking him out to the pat down.
bryan callen
One of the greats, though.
joe rogan
But you can't fuck around.
brendan schaub
His nickname's the great.
joe rogan
He's still a powerhouse.
brendan schaub
Yeah, power's the last thing to go, yeah.
joe rogan
Last thing to go.
brendan schaub
He's a super vet.
unidentified
He's been fighting since he was 17. 17 years old.
joe rogan
So crazy.
bryan callen
I was just with Eve Edwards who started fighting when he was 17. Eve was at our show, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Eve is remarkably well composed.
bryan callen
Oh yeah, he's so smart.
He's doing stunts now.
joe rogan
Stunts for movies?
brendan schaub
That's a dangerous gig.
bryan callen
Not really.
joe rogan
Yeah, someone died on a Steven Seagal movie, dude.
unidentified
Stunt?
joe rogan
That's all you need to know.
brendan schaub
No, being a stuntman is super dangerous.
joe rogan
Yeah, super dangerous.
brendan schaub
Your friend Karen.
bryan callen
Yeah, depends on the show.
You can do TV and you're running through sugar glass and stuff.
Some of it's cushy.
Like, the Goldbergs doesn't have a lot of big stunts, you know.
joe rogan
You have stunt guys on your show?
bryan callen
Yeah.
For falls, for wrestling, all that kind of stuff.
joe rogan
Hey man, what's going on with your show?
Are you doing a pilot?
Are you doing a spinoff from the Goldbergs?
bryan callen
I'm doing a spinoff starting in March, I think.
joe rogan
That's beautiful, man.
Congratulations.
bryan callen
Thanks, buddy.
joe rogan
You excited about that?
bryan callen
I am excited about it.
joe rogan
You going to do table reads, all that stuff?
bryan callen
All that stuff.
It's the greatest job.
It's the easiest job.
It's the best job in the world.
joe rogan
Let me come on and play your retarded brother.
unidentified
I love it.
bryan callen
I would love it.
joe rogan
I want to do it, man.
bryan callen
They'd have you on.
joe rogan
Dude, come on, man.
Are you kidding me?
brendan schaub
You would do it, Joe?
joe rogan
Yeah, he played my brother on his radio.
I owe him one.
bryan callen
Oh, I love it.
joe rogan
Him and Nick DiPaolo and Epstein from Welcome Back, Cotter.
They were my brothers.
They all beat the fuck out of me.
They threw me through a place glass window.
I had to throw myself through one of those sugar glass windows.
It's freaky, man.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
It looks like a real window.
brendan schaub
Are you scared a little bit?
joe rogan
I was a little nervous.
I bet.
bryan callen
You had such a great time on that show, didn't you?
joe rogan
So much fun.
Yeah.
bryan callen
Do you stay in touch with any of those guys?
joe rogan
Just Dave, mostly Dave Foley.
bryan callen
How's Dave doing?
joe rogan
And Steven Rude if I see him, and Candy.
I've seen Candy since, you know, it's always great when I run into him.
unidentified
Damn!
brendan schaub
Oh, Phil Hartman.
And that's Callan right there?
bryan callen
That's me, buddy.
joe rogan
Callan and me.
brendan schaub
You got a head on you there, Callan.
joe rogan
He threw me through a window, or did Nick.
One of you guys threw me through a window.
It was so much fun.
brendan schaub
Do you miss acting at all, Joe?
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
Nothing about it?
joe rogan
Nope.
Not at all.
Not a thing.
It takes too much time.
I'm not into doing it.
You do it with actors, which is never the best thing to do.
bryan callen
The actors on your show were so good.
joe rogan
They were great.
bryan callen
Mora Tierney, Steven Rood, Phil Hartman.
brendan schaub
That's part of the reason.
joe rogan
Ben Sarnes went for that leg, but didn't quite get to it quick enough.
bryan callen
Andy Dick is hilarious.
joe rogan
This is super dangerous for court, even though there's not much time left.
brendan schaub
And I feel like he's winning the fight.
I wouldn't mess with it.
joe rogan
I don't know about that.
I think Ben is winning the stand-up, but he's on top right here, so we'll see.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
joe rogan
Okay, see, here it is.
unidentified
Dangerous.
joe rogan
Here's the wrap-up.
Look at this.
Let's see.
Oh, wow.
Court shook it off quick.
Ben went for the transition.
He went for the transition to clear the neck.
brendan schaub
Be a honey lamb chop and put a little wine in there.
joe rogan
Be a little honey lamb chop.
bryan callen
Be a little humming lamb chop.
joe rogan
I wonder who's winning this fight since we weren't really paying total suspension.
brendan schaub
See, I have Court winning it.
joe rogan
Court's doing good ground and pound here.
See, Ben had that position, man, for a very short period.
Okay, now he's wrapping it up again.
Let's see what he can do.
But it's not high enough.
Okay, now it's better.
bryan callen
Oh, look at this.
What is that now?
joe rogan
This is called a dead orchard.
He's got both arms trapped.
bryan callen
Long legs!
joe rogan
Both arms trapped inside the triangle.
This is named after Nathan Orchard.
bryan callen
This is called a dead orchard.
joe rogan
But the problem is, can he submit from here?
Because a lot of times, he had guys stuck in here, like Kenny Rogerson.
No, Kenny Roberts.
He had him stuck in here, but he couldn't fit him.
brendan schaub
It's going to be tough to finish Court McGee out of this.
joe rogan
It's not going to finish him now.
He's on the foot.
See, he's on the toes, on the back of the calf.
You really want to get deep in on the ankle on this.
And even so, it's just not there for him.
He doesn't have much time to work here.
Now it's totally gone.
brendan schaub
He can do damage there with elbows, but you're not going to win the fight.
joe rogan
And Court dropped some elbows on him.
Court just cut him.
Oh, man.
Yeah, Kort's on top of him, and he's tired now, too.
You know, I think he's gonna try to switch to a leg.
He's in half guard here.
He's gonna try to go to the underhook on that left leg and slide under, but in the meantime, he's taking some shots.
brendan schaub
Kort's trying to darts him up.
joe rogan
He is.
brendan schaub
And with guys who are long, it's easier to get when they're long.
Does that make sense?
So they're really good at them, but they're also easier to get caught in.
joe rogan
Yep, you're totally right.
brendan schaub
Damn, Kort's doing work.
joe rogan
Yeah, big finish to the fight for Kort.
brendan schaub
Kort is such a warrior, man.
Every fight's just...
It's never easy for him, is it?
It's just a scrap.
That's what he likes.
joe rogan
Interesting, man.
Very interesting.
bryan callen
He looks like an Islamic cleric.
joe rogan
I wish we were paying more attention.
brendan schaub
Me too.
In the 30 seconds I saw, I'd probably give it to Court with aggression.
And then the takedown at the end?
joe rogan
I don't know, Mems, because I think Ben was winning on the outside earlier in the fight.
Interesting.
But that round, that last round was big for Court.
brendan schaub
That was the most we watched, so I kind of gave it to Court.
I don't know what we do here.
joe rogan
They're fucking terrible.
brendan schaub
Or you, me, and Eddie would be arguing, and Brian's watching, and Brian would drop some serious knowledge, and we discredit it.
Well, shut up!
You're not watching either!
And he's spot on!
joe rogan
I get nothing!
bryan callen
I'm watching every beat, and I'm like that, and you're like, shut up!
No, he didn't!
And I'm like, what did I do?
joe rogan
What the fuck were we just talking about before that?
Any idea?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
We were talking...
brendan schaub
It's tough to get back to.
joe rogan
We need a court stenographer in here.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
To pull up records.
unidentified
It's true.
joe rogan
In Millie's.
bryan callen
I want to start taking a pistol class.
brendan schaub
Fucking do it, man.
joe rogan
What do you want to do?
Oh, we were talking about acting.
bryan callen
I just got to be ready.
brendan schaub
I want you to get back into acting.
bryan callen
Oh, my spinoff.
We were talking about my spinoff.
joe rogan
No, I'll do Brian's show.
The last thing I did is a Kevin James movie because Kevin's my buddy.
bryan callen
I heard you were good in that, though.
joe rogan
It's fun.
It's fun.
bryan callen
I want you to do my...
It'd be great.
You come on my show.
Brandon, let me look at you.
You're not ready.
joe rogan
I loved it because I got to work with Leslie Bibb from Talladega Nights.
Which one's that?
She's the girlfriend.
brendan schaub
Oh, she's the girlfriend?
joe rogan
Oh, she's hilarious.
brendan schaub
She's like, and you're going to get on that car.
You're going to ride it like a pony.
joe rogan
She's fucking hilarious in real life.
In real life, like hanging out talking to her.
She's hilarious.
She's so fucking silly.
She's really silly, really smart, really good actress.
brendan schaub
Your boy Kevin has a new show out.
He's back to acting.
He's like a straight-up series sitcom.
joe rogan
And he did a movie on Netflix.
He did a movie on Netflix, and now he's doing a series on CBS that apparently is doing really well.
bryan callen
Kevin's an excellent actor, man.
joe rogan
He's really good at that.
brendan schaub
He never misses, I feel like.
joe rogan
He's a really good, like, classic sitcom actor.
He knows how to do that.
In that form, he's a master.
brendan schaub
I fucking loved him in, uh, what's the movie?
Will Smith.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Will Smith was like the dating advice guy.
unidentified
What's that called?
Hutch.
Hutch.
joe rogan
Hitch.
Hitch.
brendan schaub
Dude, one of my favorite movies.
I thought he was great in that.
joe rogan
How do you spell Leslie's last name?
B-I-B-B. B-I-B-B, right.
Ben Saunders, winner by decision.
We're wrong.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Powerful Ben Saunders.
bryan callen
That was an earned win.
brendan schaub
Good job, Ben.
unidentified
Earned win.
brendan schaub
I was off.
I apologize.
joe rogan
Yeah, I felt like he was winning the stand-ups, particularly in the first and second round.
He looked good on the outside.
bryan callen
Swollen him out the eyes there.
brendan schaub
I heard Kevin James was a beast of a comic, too.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, he's hilarious.
Very good stand-up.
brendan schaub
Does he still do it?
joe rogan
Sort of.
He takes a lot of time off, and then he'll go and do theaters, tours, and does theaters and shit.
brendan schaub
Since he's a veteran, he doesn't have to do a lot of spots?
He can just go to those theaters?
joe rogan
He can always do those theaters if he wants to, but honestly, in order to really be on top of your game, you've got to do the clubs.
brendan schaub
Night after night.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like...
I mean, it's not that he's not going to be great, and he's going to rehearse, and he's going to go through all of his stuff, and if he does a few of those in a row, he'll get right back into shape again.
But the thing about stand-up is, in order to be like...
You go out of shape if you take a week off.
unidentified
That's true.
bryan callen
A week.
Rhythm, timing, everything from it.
joe rogan
Dude, and sometimes for me, where I get scrambled is I'll do a UFC on the weekend and then I'll work on Sunday night or work the night after the UFC, whatever it is, and I'm scrambled because my brain is still in MMA mode.
It's like commentary mode.
To be in the groove, if you're doing a big show on Saturday night, ideally you want to work Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, maybe Friday too, and then gear up for Saturday.
It's like you've got to tune up.
You've got to keep sharp.
And when I do a lot of sets, like I'll do three sets on a Wednesday, three sets on a Thursday, I come into Friday, I'm just loose.
It's all in the groove, and you feel it.
You feel efficient.
bryan callen
It's kind of like on a Thursday, when you haven't done stand-up in a while, Thursday on the road, and by Saturday, you've done five shows, five hours of comedy.
brendan schaub
That's why you told me to start doing some stamp, because...
We would do Live Find the Kid at theaters.
We'd start with 10 minutes of stand-up.
I'm like, dude, I can't go one month there, take three months off, and then go in front of this theater.
I gotta start doing some shit, man, in between.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's no substitute for actually going on stage.
And for you, it would be fun anyway, man.
Just do open mic nights and all these bullshit spots.
bryan callen
It's good with Brendan, though, because what I'm encouraged with Brendan is that he just changes it every time.
He's always writing.
He's always...
He's always carving it, changing it, taking out words, adding things.
joe rogan
Look at that sexy bitch.
This fight right here, I was talking about me, by the way.
bryan callen
I find Holly not her.
joe rogan
That would be so rude.
That would be so rude.
I was talking about myself.
This is a weird fight, man.
brendan schaub
Are they really trying to sell this right now?
joe rogan
Well, yeah.
I mean, it's one of those things where literally no one's talking about it.
I mean, this is maybe one of the least hyped up world championship fights in recent memory.
brendan schaub
I feel like maybe Dana was on vacation and came back like, you booked what?
joe rogan
Well, I just don't know what else they can do.
I mean, you have this fight at 145, you're trying to book Cyborg, Cyborg keeps canceling, then they test her, she pisses hot, now you're fucked.
Because now she's out forever.
brendan schaub
Then you stack the rest of the card and just toss these two on it.
joe rogan
Well, they didn't have the fights.
They literally didn't have the fights.
They didn't have the fighters available.
They didn't know what to do.
And this is a fucking...
If you want to make a star out of Holly Holm, wrong fight.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
Wrong fight.
Correct.
Because Jermaine Durandame is a fucking nasty kickboxer.
And a real, legit, multiple-time world Muay Thai champion.
And when she's presented with someone like Holm, Who is an excellent striker, you know, I think 18-time world boxing champion or something crazy like that.
You know that Holly Holm is going to be striking with her.
Well, that is where Jermaine Durandamy shines.
Her number one issue in MMA has just been girls holding on to her, taking her down, you know, using their grappling.
It's not Holly.
I mean, Holly can do that to girls, but that's also how she lost her title.
She got choked out.
brendan schaub
It's not her thing either.
joe rogan
It's not her thing.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
What you saw in the Valentina Shevchenko fight was when Holly fights...
Valentina is one of the best, super high-level, most technical strikers in women's MMA, and she kept using that check-right hook, and she was kicking her a lot, working the legs a lot, and she just beat her by a clear-cut, unanimous decision.
So I feel like this is a super dangerous fight for Holm.
She's lost two in a row for the first time in her career.
She gets choked out by Misha, and then she loses her next fight against Valentina Shevchenko.
So I feel like this is a real dangerous fight for her.
brendan schaub
It's gonna be a tough sell if she loses this one.
joe rogan
Super tough sell.
And she's the girl who knocked out Ronda Rousey.
I mean, that's that's her main claim to fame is that highlight reel left high kick.
brendan schaub
She's the first one to do it.
I mean, it's pretty...
joe rogan
Well, she was D1, right?
brendan schaub
It's time in history.
Yeah, she outclassed her.
joe rogan
How crazy are these fights?
Look at me.
What do you have here?
You have Jacare...
Versus Tim Boach.
Like, what?
Who saw that coming?
How weird.
I mean, Tim Boach just knocks out, what's his face, Rafael Natal.
brendan schaub
That's right.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, huge fight for him.
I mean, Rafael Natal, I think, was number six, and Boach knocked him out.
So, look, Boach jumps into the top ten with that.
brendan schaub
Boach just will not go away.
joe rogan
But for Jacare, it's got to be pissing him off, because he's been knocking at the fucking door for a title forever.
brendan schaub
That's crazy.
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
Joel Romero beats him by a small amount, but then pisses hot.
Remember?
So they suspend Yoel Romero.
Romero comes back, smashes Chris Weidman.
Smashes Chris Weidman.
So he gets the title shot.
Meanwhile, Jacare's got to be like, what in the fuck, man?
I'm sitting here while Bisping fights Henderson.
You know, I thought I was going to be next.
Bisping gets Henderson.
He beats Henderson.
Now Bisping's going to fight Yoel.
unidentified
Yikes.
bryan callen
Jacare is one of the most dangerous, besides Yoel, he's the second most dangerous.
joe rogan
He's phenomenal.
bryan callen
I think he beats almost anybody.
brendan schaub
Yeah, poor Jacare.
joe rogan
Well, he's really good, but you know what?
Yoel caught him with that wicked spinning backfist.
bryan callen
I want to see Sousa fight Luke Rockhold again.
I want to see what happens.
joe rogan
Well, they almost did, but Luke fucked his knee up.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they're supposed to fight in Australia.
joe rogan
I think Luke had a...
Did he have surgery?
Did he just do like PRP injections or some shit?
brendan schaub
I'm not sure.
bryan callen
He's training again, I think.
joe rogan
He's had a seriously fucked up knee for a while.
Even though he's training now, he's kicking with his right knee only, I think.
bryan callen
How old is Neil Siri there?
Is he about...
joe rogan
58?
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's about 58. He's a weathered 58, too.
joe rogan
Well, listen, no one's had more fucking miles on their body than our boy Ian.
Ian McCall can't even make a fist.
brendan schaub
It's tough to fight when you can't make a fist.
joe rogan
Dude, if you haven't seen him, Brian, he makes a fist.
His index finger on his right hand is like that.
And what I'm doing for people that are listening here is like if I was playing pool and I had a cue tucked under my finger.
Yeah, like I'm pulling a trigger.
He can't make a full fist.
His hand's been broken so many times.
brendan schaub
He's such a little monster, too.
joe rogan
Travis Brown and Derek Lewis is on that card.
brendan schaub
That's an interesting fight for Travis.
joe rogan
Ooh, Dustin Poirier and Jim Miller's on that card.
unidentified
Ooh.
bryan callen
Is Travis...
Is Travis...
Eve is actually down there getting Dustin ready for that fight.
Is Travis Brown still in Edmonds camp?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
brendan schaub
I assume so.
joe rogan
Yeah, I assume so too.
bryan callen
Has anybody heard from Rhonda or has she still been radio silent?
joe rogan
She posted an inspirational quote on Instagram.
brendan schaub
A Harry Potter quote, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Which is awesome.
Was it a Harry Potter quote?
J.K. Rawlings?
Is that what it was?
Yeah.
A J.K. Rawlings quote.
Which is...
brendan schaub
Even Rock Bottom has a wiggle room.
That's a quote from, what's his name?
What's our boy?
joe rogan
That's a great quote.
Even Rock Bottom has wiggle room.
That's hilarious.
brendan schaub
What's our boy?
Don.
bryan callen
Don Herrera.
brendan schaub
Yes.
We had dinner that night.
He said, even Rock Bottom has wiggle room, son.
I went, that's fucking hilarious.
bryan callen
Hey, you gotta start coming out to dinner.
We were at Bianconi, the best restaurant on the planet.
Stop with all this.
brendan schaub
Brian goes there every night.
bryan callen
You need to come.
It's the best restaurant.
joe rogan
Listen, I go home, I get some sleep, and I go work out in the morning.
bryan callen
Look at me.
You can come hang and have an amazing meal for an hour with us.
brendan schaub
Or I can go home.
joe rogan
Or I can go home and go to sleep.
bryan callen
It's unbelievable.
joe rogan
You're going out on a Thursday night at midnight.
bryan callen
So what?
I was not.
I was out at 11. You could have come out.
brendan schaub
Every night.
bryan callen
Well, I was doing sets every night.
joe rogan
I get up in the morning, buddy.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I don't like my mornings to be fucked, man.
joe rogan
Gotta go to yoga.
bryan callen
Whatever.
Just come out to dinner once in a while.
joe rogan
I actually do go to yoga.
I know you say you do, but I really do.
bryan callen
You do, huh?
joe rogan
I really do.
brendan schaub
I see your girl posts on your yoga teacher you guys take pictures and shit with her shirt off, right?
She's on the popular page usually.
She looks like a...
bryan callen
Joe's super flexible, so...
joe rogan
I think that yoga is one of the most important things I've done over the past few years.
I really do.
It's making a giant difference.
I try to do it three times a week now.
brendan schaub
Giant difference in regards to what?
joe rogan
The way I feel.
Relaxation, flexibility.
I'm back to a full split with no strain at all.
I can just drop right now.
brendan schaub
You're doing hot yoga?
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
That shit stresses me out, man.
It's not very relaxing.
joe rogan
It's not relaxing.
It's brutal.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's brutal.
joe rogan
When you're done though, you feel great.
brendan schaub
I can't stop sweating.
joe rogan
My favorite thing right now is to fucking torture myself for 90 minutes, hot yoga, and then go right into a cold shower.
Because right now, it's January, so the water's really fucking cold.
So you're going there, you're hurting, like barely getting through.
Like the last 10 minutes of a hot yoga class.
bryan callen
You're doing Bikram?
joe rogan
Yeah, like you barely can make it through.
It's so intense.
brendan schaub
You ever fucked up and thought it was 60 but it was 90?
It'll ruin your fucking week.
joe rogan
Yeah, I haven't, but I know what you mean.
brendan schaub
Where you're like, dear God, 45 minutes, let's go, 15. Meanwhile, it's another half an hour.
unidentified
Dude.
bryan callen
Yeah, I love it.
joe rogan
What is this Cody Garbrandt?
Is it the snakes?
Oh, wow.
Who made that?
brendan schaub
God, dawg, that is sick.
He should sell those for shirts.
Fuck your Reebok money.
joe rogan
I should sell posters.
brendan schaub
Shirts all day.
bryan callen
Do you know who that's signifying?
You know what?
God, everybody?
Come on, guys.
joe rogan
Medusa.
bryan callen
I'm right, Medusa.
What happens when you stare at Medusa?
joe rogan
She turns you to stone.
What's fucked up, man, is that Conor McGregor is the one.
Conor McGregor called him a snake, and it's never let off.
Never.
brendan schaub
Ever.
joe rogan
Conor says, he's a fucking snake, and everybody was like, what?
What?
unidentified
Stamp!
Snakey!
joe rogan
They just stamped his forehead with that stamp!
bryan callen
But there's nothing about TJ that made no sense when I heard him say that.
joe rogan
Well, because he left the camp.
Team Alpha Male was his brothers, and he left that camp, and he went with Dwayne Ludwig, and he went to Muscle Farm, and they were like, fuck you.
You know, look, they needed, look, and they knew at that point, Well, it's not.
Listen, his loyalty was to his own future, and he felt like his best chance to get better was not with Team Alpha.
brendan schaub
Clearly the right choice for a champion when he leaves.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he felt like his choice was to go with Dwayne Ludwig because he felt like Dwayne Ludwig had a bond with him and a deep, deep, deep pool of knowledge, and together they gelled well.
brendan schaub
And it was the right move.
joe rogan
It was the right move for him, maybe.
brendan schaub
What do you mean, baby?
He became world champ.
joe rogan
Yeah, but how close was he really to those guys?
See, here's the thing, man.
It's like, you can't work this out.
There's not a way to work it out where you're still with Team Alpha Male.
I don't know.
Listen, I'm just playing devil's advocate.
bryan callen
I'm a huge Dwayne fan.
No, because for a while, he would go back to Alpha Male and go to Dwayne.
joe rogan
I'm a huge Dwayne fan, and I'm a huge TJ fan, but I'm also a huge Alpha Male fan, you know, and I'm also a huge fan of loyalty.
brendan schaub
It's also not a team sport, though.
joe rogan
It's not a team sport, and that's where it gets weird.
brendan schaub
Super weird.
joe rogan
Super weird.
You know, I mean, if there's another guy that's in 135, like Cody, who's coming up, coming up hot.
brendan schaub
And clearly coming up.
joe rogan
Coming up hot, knocking everybody dead, you know, smashing Thomas Almeida, you know, knocking on the door, and then winds up winning the title in his first attempt, the first guy to fucking beat the shit out of Dominick Cruz like that.
I mean, the only guy that beat Dominick Cruz before was Uriah, and Uriah caught him in a guillotine.
bryan callen
I would say at that weight class, with MMA being, you know, with the margin for error, if your priority is loyalty, which I'm a huge fan of loyalty, over...
A guru that could improve and change your style, then you're gonna get left behind.
There's no mercy in this sport.
joe rogan
You're right.
No, you're right.
bryan callen
There's no mercy.
joe rogan
You're right.
You're right.
I'm not arguing with you.
brendan schaub
Don't say no mercy again, though.
bryan callen
Did you say no mercy?
joe rogan
Is that a movie?
brendan schaub
So dramatic.
bryan callen
There is no mercy.
joe rogan
You said it twice, though.
You're 100% right.
bryan callen
But there's no mercy.
joe rogan
But there's also, like...
Brotherhood and friendship and I feel like there's almost there's almost always a way to do things different And I don't know I don't know if they did the right thing.
I don't know what happened I don't I wasn't there right and but it's what here's my point results of the Fascinating in terms of the matchup now and now that they're gonna I think it's a giant move to do that on The Ultimate Fighter It's fucking huge because it might be the one thing that gets a lot of fans even though they're cutting the budget Are they cutting the budget?
How do you know this?
Are you deep inside?
brendan schaub
I just know.
bryan callen
On Ultimate Fighter they are?
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
They're cutting the budget, how so?
unidentified
Correct.
joe rogan
Who are they not paying as much?
brendan schaub
Just the whole production thing, because the UFC used to do it, now they're going to outsource.
joe rogan
Well, it might be better.
brendan schaub
It could be better.
joe rogan
Get people who are trying to make a name for themselves.
You fucking never know, man.
brendan schaub
All I know is lately, when they do the matchups from Ultimate Fighter, it doesn't build it for me as much.
joe rogan
Tell you what, man, not a whole lot of shit makes me feel bad.
These goddamn poverty commercials, they make me feel worse than anything.
bryan callen
Me too.
joe rogan
In the world.
brendan schaub
You know what?
joe rogan
I see people, like little kids, cooking food.
unidentified
I agree.
brendan schaub
If they show kids, or you know what fucks me up even more?
When they show the animals, for whatever reason.
Tugs at my heart more than humans.
joe rogan
Well, you got a problem.
You should go to a doctor.
I love animals.
I hate to see that.
I hate to see that, but I hate more to see little kids that don't have any fun.
brendan schaub
Oh, and then you got Alanis Morissette singing behind it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
I know that's it.
joe rogan
In the arms of an angel.
brendan schaub
Yeah, and I just start dishing money.
bryan callen
That's Sarah McLaughlin.
joe rogan
Same shit.
bryan callen
Guys, guys.
brendan schaub
Ten for you.
joe rogan
Ten for you.
bryan callen
What did you say?
Alanis Morissette.
joe rogan
Alanis Morissette.
unidentified
All right.
brendan schaub
What does she sing?
joe rogan
Well, it's girls with great voices that Brian Callen would fuck.
bryan callen
Don't you think?
joe rogan
I put them in that category.
bryan callen
Girls who are just really kind of rooted.
joe rogan
Girls who Brian Callen would have like a six-month intense relationship with before she fucking changed her number and kicked it out.
bryan callen
Earth mothers who are really grounded.
joe rogan
Earth mothers.
Earth mothers women.
brendan schaub
You're saying Sarah McLachlan sings that, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
Did she say that already?
brendan schaub
Got to get my fucking money.
joe rogan
She'd have like little beads around her ankle with like some string, some twine, some hemp twine.
bryan callen
I was driving down beads.
brendan schaub
Give me some good red flags.
joe rogan
Good red flags for sure.
Marcin Hell, Joe Lozon.
brendan schaub
Damn, he's young.
With a shitload of fights.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
Now, he came from Bellator, correct?
brendan schaub
Correct.
Had a lot of fights in Bellator.
joe rogan
Did he win the title in Bellator?
brendan schaub
I don't think so.
I don't think he was the champ at Bellator.
Is that right, Jamie?
joe rogan
Only 24, huh?
brendan schaub
Joe Lozon has had some motherfucking battles.
bryan callen
I almost said he's got a nice body out loud.
joe rogan
So he lost to Diego in his last fight.
Before that, he beat Dave Jensen and Bellator.
But he lost to Will Brooks.
Okay, so he lost his title to Will Brooks.
Lost a title fight, rather, to Will Brooks.
Five-round fight.
Does Bellator have any other five-round fights other than title fights?
No.
They don't, right?
brendan schaub
Never.
joe rogan
So that was his first loss since way back in 2013 when he fought Dave Jensen.
So he beat Dave Jensen in his last Bellator fight.
So he lost to him.
And then he beat him in his last fight.
brendan schaub
But no title fights, right?
joe rogan
One fight against Will Brooks, but Will Brooks beat him.
brendan schaub
Will Brooks is a little horse.
joe rogan
He's a tough guy.
Who stopped Will Brooks?
unidentified
Somebody stopped Will Brooks in the UFC. Why are you laughing?
brendan schaub
He hurt his rib.
But he was looking good.
joe rogan
Who beat him?
Someone big.
Cowboy Oliveira.
brendan schaub
Yes.
He missed weight.
Cowboy Oliveira beat him, but he missed weight.
joe rogan
By like 80 pounds.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It was like, fuck it!
Remember to get all mad?
He grabbed the mic and got mad?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
He was talking shit at Wayne.
He's like, bro, you missed it by 40 pounds.
You shouldn't even be allowed to fight.
What the fuck are you talking about?
joe rogan
Yeah, he missed weight by...
It might have been like 8 pounds.
brendan schaub
It was a good amount, and he just said, fuck it.
joe rogan
I won't say it was like 12. Okay, here's Joe Lozon.
Powerful Boston.
He's got a lot of savage in him.
And Marcin Held.
Real interesting fight.
Let's see how this goes.
brendan schaub
Please just jump to guard, both of you.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing about Held.
I don't think Held has the same kind of boxing that Lozon has.
Lozon's very sharp with his stand-up.
brendan schaub
I wouldn't call it sharp because he does that shell up, and I feel like especially elite strikers are starting to figure it out.
joe rogan
Knocked out Diego Sanchez in his last fight.
And then before that, remember that Melvin-Gallard fight?
Cracked Melvin with a jab and then choked him the fuck out.
Because Melvin got a little...
Well, Melvin was fucking people up back then.
And Melvin's lightning fast.
brendan schaub
He's a wildcat.
joe rogan
Wildcard.
unidentified
Wildcat.
joe rogan
Yeah, who knows with Melvin.
He was one of the first guys to test positive for cocaine.
I was like, holla!
unidentified
My man!
My man!
joe rogan
Here's the thing about cocaine.
That shit always stays in your system for like two days.
brendan schaub
There's also like no shit.
joe rogan
And it was a post-UFC fight.
5.5s over.
That's what Oliveira was.
5.5 pounds over when he fought Will Brooks.
brendan schaub
Then he came in.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Yeah, that should be illegal.
brendan schaub
Hell getting tore up.
joe rogan
In some states, they wouldn't allow that.
Like, I don't think New York would have allowed that.
brendan schaub
New York straight.
joe rogan
Oh, hard elbows by Lozon.
These are fucking nasty elbows by Lozon.
Marcin Hell's in big trouble here.
brendan schaub
Ooh, mount, son!
joe rogan
Big elbow.
unidentified
Oh, he's hit the arm!
Oh!
joe rogan
Oh, and he went for it.
He went for it.
brendan schaub
Aggressive.
unidentified
He still got it.
joe rogan
He still got the arm.
He still got the arm.
Oh, wow.
Now Held's got the leg.
Oh, damn.
Lozon with a fucking vicious elbow.
brendan schaub
He's trying to get that performance of the night bones and be the all-time leader.
joe rogan
Those are the Travis Brown elbows, man.
Those elbows from that single.
brendan schaub
You're talking about that old Travis.
Yeah, those were nasty.
joe rogan
Not the single, rather, but the wide stance, the takedown defense.
brendan schaub
Josh Barnett, Gonzaga.
joe rogan
Yes, Gonzaga, man.
brendan schaub
So nasty.
joe rogan
Horrible.
Travis Brown, man, used to fuck people up with those elbows.
brendan schaub
Sure did.
joe rogan
He changed that position for a lot of people.
brendan schaub
Yep.
joe rogan
And Joe Lozon just took a page out of his book.
bryan callen
It's still illegal to go from 12 to 6, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't understand how that didn't get changed.
I really don't understand it.
I understand that they wanted to change a bunch of shit, and I think they did a good job with most of it.
Someone made a real good point, though, about the new rules about how many points of contact you have on the ground.
brendan schaub
Three now, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So if you have three, it's legal.
So if you have two feet on the ground and a hand on the ground, it's legal.
But here's the thing, man.
Did you see that?
You saw the Tim Means fight with Oliveira, same guy, Oliveira, who came in overweight.
That's his karma.
brendan schaub
Goddammit, that's what you get, son.
joe rogan
He got fucked up by Tim Means.
brendan schaub
Enjoy that.
joe rogan
He had one knee down.
One knee down.
bryan callen
Look at this.
joe rogan
And only one knee down.
Beautiful takedown by Marcin.
Strong grappling by Marcin.
bryan callen
Nice, Marcin.
joe rogan
But Joe Lozon, very good at getting back up, too, man.
This could be interesting.
brendan schaub
Marcin's definitely more decorated when it comes to jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
brendan schaub
But again, MMA jiu-jitsu's a little different.
Lozon's a monster.
joe rogan
Right, and Lozon has already cracked him with a few elbows, so we'll see where Marcin's head's at now.
I mean, who knows where he's at right now?
He might be on...
brendan schaub
They've also given him 18%.
No gimmies.
They said, oh, you're from Bellator?
That's cool.
You're going to get...
Who did they give him last time?
joe rogan
Diego Sanchez.
He lost to Diego.
And then in Lozon's last fight, he stopped Diego.
Mm-hmm.
What were we just talking about?
We were just talking about...
brendan schaub
Oh, we were talking about Tim Means and Cowboy.
The Brazilian Cowboy.
joe rogan
So the knee on the ground, it was only the knee.
Even his foot was off the ground.
And the knee was still illegal.
So you can't have...
It's not points of contact, even though we always refer to it as points of contact.
John McCarthy told me that's a bad terminology.
He said you should really think of it as anything other than the bottom of the foot is illegal.
I don't know about that, though.
What about the top of the foot?
What if you only have the top of the foot down?
I think they're saying, though, that anything other than the bottom of the foot.
So the thing is, what if a guy is shooting in on a takedown, like Cyborg versus Michael Page, and someone catches you with a knee coming in while you have one knee down?
You're sliding in, and you get thumped in the face and knocked unconscious.
brendan schaub
Well, that's the same as if you get wheel kicked behind the air, right?
You're moving into it, which just shit happens.
joe rogan
Maybe it's a shit happens rule.
brendan schaub
Well, transition rule.
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
brendan schaub
Like, don't be an idiot and cut with a flying knee.
joe rogan
Good defense right there by Loza on the break.
Knew that hook was coming, that right hand was coming, rather, and got that left hand up.
brendan schaub
I loved when they were grappling.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
High-level shit.
joe rogan
Really interesting.
brendan schaub
I don't want to see hell throw jabs.
bryan callen
It's called a fake with the left guys and then he came in with a right.
It's one of my favorite things.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
bryan callen
Something I do in street fighting.
I go 12 to 6 in street fighting, just so you guys know.
joe rogan
What do you think?
How much different would MMA be if they had three minute rounds?
brendan schaub
I think you get a watered-down product.
joe rogan
Do you get a watered-down product, or do you get more explosive and faster-paced?
brendan schaub
Faster-paced, worse technique.
joe rogan
Is that true?
What about five three-minute rounds?
Oh, he fell down.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
What happened there?
bryan callen
That's weird.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Oh, on the break.
bryan callen
That was weird.
joe rogan
What happened there?
brendan schaub
Five three is you're thinking?
joe rogan
Yeah, five three-minute rounds instead of three five-minute rounds.
Do you think that that would be better for like...
Chael Sonnen said it best.
He said, it's just too much time for people to fight.
It's like five five-minute rounds.
He goes, no one can fight.
unidentified
25 minutes?
joe rogan
Yeah, he goes, no one can really fight five five-minute rounds.
brendan schaub
Let's come from a guy who lost to Anstron Silva with two minutes left and 23 minutes left.
joe rogan
It's also coming from a guy who fought a bunch of five-round fights.
You know, he fought against Paulo Filho, right?
Didn't he fight twice?
brendan schaub
Those weren't five minutes, were they?
Although, listen to the belt, WC. That's right.
joe rogan
At least the second one.
And he got armbarred.
The first one, he got armbarred.
The second one, he won a decision, but Filho didn't make weight, so he never got the belt.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's right, because the belt wasn't on the line.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he was like the uncrowned champ at 185 in the WAC. Really, he got fucked.
Because he won that fight pretty clear.
That was also when Paulo Filho was kind of...
Going a little cuckoo.
brendan schaub
He's going cray-cray.
joe rogan
He's going cray-cray.
brendan schaub
Full cray-cray.
Went missing Brazil some shit.
joe rogan
Got that Tyson tattoo on his face.
Yeah, I know that.
brendan schaub
And they found him amongst the sheep or some shit in Brazil.
Like choking sheep out.
bryan callen
I'm sorry, I just had this...
It's weird.
He went full AWOL. I just had this thought, and maybe your brother didn't know me.
I was thinking about what Floyd did to Canelo Alvarez.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Brilliant.
brendan schaub
Oh, you're going back to this?
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Did my brother text you this?
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
That's what I just said.
Might be your brother.
Hey, what do you think of the fight that just got announced?
I just remembered that.
joe rogan
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and Canelo.
unidentified
Yes.
brendan schaub
Mexican on Mexican crime.
joe rogan
May 6th.
Cinco de Mayo weekend, baby.
bryan callen
Chavez Jr. is way tougher than he should be.
He's a tough dude, man.
brendan schaub
Tougher than he should be.
bryan callen
In other words, he grew up wealthy.
brendan schaub
His dad's fucking...
bryan callen
But he grew up wealthy.
I mean, kids like that.
joe rogan
But his dad is Julio Cesar Chavez.
Joe Lozon going for the guillotine, getting crafty.
I see what you're saying, though, B. But didn't work out.
brendan schaub
He slept and sat in sheets.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
It's rare.
But you see his father at his fights?
His father's like...
brendan schaub
B.J. Penn's family's rich as fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, B.J. Penn's family's wealthy too.
brendan schaub
B.J. just loves fight.
joe rogan
Look at this.
Joe Lozon is going for the fucking leg lock.
Look at this.
Oh my god, he gave up the back.
Ooh, Held is so high level.
bryan callen
Can't give your back up.
joe rogan
What is Held's jiu-jitsu credentials?
Didn't he win an Ogi...
World title.
brendan schaub
He won gold in super high level.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this, man.
He's wrapping up.
Joe Lozon managed to keep that left arm on the outside, though.
That's critical for defense.
brendan schaub
I think he's been doing jiu-jitsu since he was 12, too.
joe rogan
Good move in here by Joe Lozon.
I like it.
He's posturing up.
He's...
If Marcin can get away from that left hand, he's essentially free.
He's essentially free here if he just keeps going.
Yep.
Oh, no!
Marcin pulls him down!
Oh, such a strong move pulling him down there.
Joe was almost out.
A lot of people, like Joe Lozon, would have been out the door right there.
He's almost choked here.
He's in a real bad spot here.
Because in order to advance in this position, he's got to move.
And if he's got to move, he's got to make sure he moves with his chin tightly pressed to his neck here.
brendan schaub
Damn!
Fucking...
joe rogan
Is that Mike Goldberg in the crowd?
Wow.
brendan schaub
Yeah!
joe rogan
That's kind of weird.
brendan schaub
Going nuts!
bryan callen
Who's his replacement again?
joe rogan
Um, I don't know, man.
I don't know because I thought someone...
bryan callen
Oh!
joe rogan
Nicely done!
brendan schaub
Yeah, I thought they used that Grissom?
joe rogan
Yeah, is that true though?
brendan schaub
No, but he was doing the pre-show in the UFC Tonight studio.
joe rogan
Yeah, I heard he was going to do this, but Anik is on this, so maybe he's not doing that.
Maybe they're wrong.
Maybe they just hired him for more of that pre-show stuff.
brendan schaub
Like more analyst work instead of play-by-play and color.
joe rogan
Oh, look at this!
Lozon with the fucking arm triangle!
bryan callen
Oh my god, Lozon.
joe rogan
Lozon attacking, man.
I love that about him.
Even though he's fighting a real elite grappler, he's not afraid to dive on shit.
brendan schaub
He's one of my faves to watch, man.
joe rogan
He's just getting cut off at the checkmate door.
You know, he gets to the door and checkmate's getting cut off.
brendan schaub
He's had a long career and some wars.
joe rogan
He has, but I mean, also the difference is Marcin Held is a really, really high-level grappler.
And although Lozon has taken some chances, like, when he's going for that armbar, he gets blocked on the way up and at it.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Bang!
So they're keeping that Skip guy on the air even after he got caught tweeting to himself, huh?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
How embarrassing is that?
bryan callen
Didn't he say it was one of his assistants?
joe rogan
He's like, you're the man, Skip.
brendan schaub
Skip, you're a fucking genius.
joe rogan
Love the show on FS1. I heard you have a big dick, too.
unidentified
I heard your hog taste like a candy cane.
brendan schaub
I heard you're rich as fuck, man.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
bryan callen
Did he say somebody else was doing it for him?
Like he has somebody hired or something?
joe rogan
I don't give a fuck what he said.
brendan schaub
No, he said nothing.
He was just like...
joe rogan
I don't know what he said, and I don't give a fuck what he said.
The fact that it can ever happen.
It can ever happen.
brendan schaub
That guy gets fucking brutalized online.
joe rogan
Does he?
brendan schaub
All the time.
unidentified
Does he?
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
bryan callen
Some things can't ever happen.
brendan schaub
That's why he was like, we need some positive here.
Let's create some catfish accounts.
joe rogan
We need some super positive energy on our side.
brendan schaub
Just from me.
joe rogan
Those old dudes, man, that just talk sports.
Fuck, man, that gig is hard to come by.
bryan callen
Well, he was a writer.
Sports writer.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's just talking sports, whether he's writing about it or not.
brendan schaub
It's just talking sports.
Football's his thing, Dallas Cowboys.
joe rogan
You know, there's a big difference between a guy like, you know, a fucking Michael Irvin, who is a world-class player, who wants to talk about...
Oh, look at this!
bryan callen
Look at this!
unidentified
Joe Lozon trying to snatch up an armbar from the fucking guard!
brendan schaub
And he's controlling the leg so he can't step out.
joe rogan
Dude, this is fucking dangerous for Marcy.
Oh, he's lost it now.
He's lost it.
He's lost it.
He's not nearly as close as he was just a few minutes ago.
bryan callen
Oh my god.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
He's out.
unidentified
He's out, dude.
joe rogan
He's out.
bryan callen
Now he's at omoplata.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
He's nowhere near an omoplata.
bryan callen
You know what I mean.
brendan schaub
Oh, how dare you.
bryan callen
It's like a blue belt attempt.
joe rogan
Well, he got real close in the beginning, but then you see the shift from the guard.
That's when you know he can relax.
bryan callen
They're both outstanding grapplers.
My god.
joe rogan
He was at 9. He was at like 9 out of 10, and then he went back to 8. And when you go from 9 to 8, usually the other guy...
unidentified
At this level?
joe rogan
Yeah, usually the other guy gets out of it.
bryan callen
I'm so envious that you guys have such a knowledge of...
Jiu-Jitsu's so beautiful.
joe rogan
Well, listen, man.
Anthony Bourdain didn't start training until he was 58. That could be you, Brian.
bryan callen
You know what, dude?
unidentified
Fuck this spin-off.
joe rogan
Right now, I think I'd put my money on him.
Do you think he would tap you?
Do you think Anthony Bourdain could tap you?
brendan schaub
He's a purple belt, yeah?
joe rogan
He got a purple belt?
brendan schaub
I thought he was a purple belt.
joe rogan
I know he's a blue belt.
brendan schaub
He would roll Callan up like fucking Kobayashi.
bryan callen
He's very big, and I never do jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
I don't think he's a purple belt.
I think he's still a blue belt, but he trains regularly.
Like, I mean, almost every day.
brendan schaub
And he's got tricks.
You know what, though?
Blue belt, blue belt, and he's always traveling, and he looks a little weathered.
I'll take my boy Callan here.
unidentified
Scrappy.
joe rogan
And maybe hungover.
brendan schaub
Callan's scrappy though.
bryan callen
Scrappy and in shape.
I don't know.
unidentified
You are in shape.
joe rogan
I mean, essentially, how much sand does this motherfucker have left in his hourglass?
brendan schaub
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
He's 60 years old.
He hits the booze hard.
brendan schaub
Callan, let's set this shit up.
We'll put you on the undercard of Soldier Boy Chris Brown.
bryan callen
Okay, I'm ready.
joe rogan
You know what's interesting about Bourdain is essentially like...
He's a guy who has had numerous substance problems in the past.
bryan callen
Yes, heroin included.
joe rogan
Exactly.
brendan schaub
Alcohol, too, yeah.
joe rogan
But alcohol, you know, he doesn't drink when he's at home.
I mean, he's not an alcoholic.
And he's aware.
Look at that.
He won a fucking IBJJF New York Open.
bryan callen
He's every bit of 6'4".
brendan schaub
Everyone in that photo is 107. Yeah, that's a big guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're 89-year-old people.
He's choking out.
bryan callen
It's awesome.
brendan schaub
He just lay on top.
Ah, fuck it.
bryan callen
That one guy's got an interesting haircut at that age.
He's awesome.
brendan schaub
Just being...
joe rogan
Just past their broken hip.
But the point is...
brendan schaub
So fucked up, went bad on him.
unidentified
I love him.
brendan schaub
I love him too.
joe rogan
But the thing is, he has taken all those problems that he had, like his addictive tendencies, and now he's using him for jiu-jitsu.
He's addicted to jiu-jitsu.
brendan schaub
A lot of those addicts go to triathlons and shit, right?
Because it releases the same endorphins?
joe rogan
Yeah, that guy from the Cro-Mags.
What's his name?
John Joseph, is that his name?
He's a good friend of the Cro-Mags.
bryan callen
One of my best friends.
joe rogan
Is that his name?
bryan callen
I've known John since literally I was 23 years old.
brendan schaub
One of your best friends?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think he's one of your best friends.
brendan schaub
I've never heard you talk about him once.
bryan callen
John Joseph is...
brendan schaub
You're one of your best friends, though?
joe rogan
Are you serious with this one?
Because I will fucking find him and I'll bring him in here.
bryan callen
No, no.
John's one of my- John's literally- I've known John- Maybe one of your oldest friends.
No, no, no.
joe rogan
You say, no, no, no.
bryan callen
One more time, you fuck.
No, John and I are close.
brendan schaub
No, you said oldest.
Let's go oldest.
bryan callen
If you asked John, I promise you, he would say- You're his best friend?
joe rogan
Is he in your will?
bryan callen
We spent a lot of time together.
We wrote a script together.
brendan schaub
1974?
bryan callen
Me and John Joseph wrote a script together.
And in fact, I'll say how far back we go.
John used to live on Ludlow and Rivington.
And John used to have to meet me on, which is the most expensive real estate in New York.
You and I have been there.
And John used to have to meet me on Houston Street and walk me to his apartment or I would get jumped because nobody knew me in that neighborhood.
That was how far back we went.
We wrote a script together.
And I'll tell you a crazy story.
brendan schaub
This doesn't mean he's your best friend, though.
joe rogan
Getting jumped.
Why would you get jumped?
Because no one knew you in that neighborhood?
You got jumped on Houston Street?
bryan callen
That's how dangerous that neighborhood was.
When?
In 1990, 1991. It was that bad?
Dude, you have no idea.
brendan schaub
Is this the plot of Bronxdale?
bryan callen
I walked through Tompkins Square.
I met John in 1987. When I was with John, the first time I met him, it was 1987, and we walked through Tompkins Square Park.
And it was so fucking dangerous.
I couldn't believe how dangerous it was.
And John was very much feared.
They called John in jail Mighty Whitey.
John was a really tough guy.
brendan schaub
What was he in jail for?
bryan callen
Well, he did a lot of stuff.
John grew up in abandoned buildings.
brendan schaub
Hey, don't be general, bro.
What did he go to prison for?
joe rogan
John used to rob.
I don't know.
Anyway, point is, he had a problem with substances now.
And now he's like this radical, plant-based, triathlete guy.
bryan callen
He's in the best shape in the world.
joe rogan
He eats vegan food.
He's in his 50s.
Does he look good?
bryan callen
He looks amazing.
joe rogan
He looks great.
He's a fucking animal.
When it comes to conditioning and workouts, he rides his bike all over New York.
brendan schaub
No, he sounds awesome.
He sounds like a good guy.
joe rogan
No, you dismissed him.
brendan schaub
Best friend?
I know.
bryan callen
Best friend, though?
brendan schaub
You've known Rogan for 70 years.
joe rogan
You've known me for 10 now.
bryan callen
I've known him longer, and I've known John.
I knew John Ferry.
brendan schaub
When's the last time you talked to him?
joe rogan
Who do you know better, me or John?
Who do you know better?
bryan callen
You.
joe rogan
Interesting.
bryan callen
Nope, that's just because I spent time, but I know John very well.
brendan schaub
Hey, bro, how many best friends?
If this is my space, is he in your top ten?
bryan callen
I'll tell you something even more important about John.
joe rogan
Is it a nine?
Isn't it a nine?
bryan callen
That's the last time I texted him.
brendan schaub
It says Merry Christmas.
joe rogan
It says Merry Christmas.
He says shut up, fag.
Why did he call you a fag?
bryan callen
He's talking, he's watching, I just watched the Club Swanson-Doo-Hoo-Troy fight.
Holy shit, amazing fight of the year.
brendan schaub
That was a while ago, bro.
bryan callen
He said Merry Christmas especially to my mom.
I will.
joe rogan
Okay, okay.
You're going a little too hard here.
bryan callen
No, but the point I'm making is that...
joe rogan
Let me tell you something.
If I explain to people that you're one of my best friends, I don't have to go all through all this.
unidentified
Zero.
joe rogan
Because everybody knows.
They go, oh yeah, Brian Callen's one of your best friends because you're with him all the time.
bryan callen
I know John very well.
joe rogan
I talk to John regularly.
bryan callen
John did my podcast.
I know John very well.
joe rogan
If someone says, hey, is Eddie Bravo a friend of yours?
Eddie Bravo's one of my best friends.
unidentified
I don't have to say, Eddie Bravo and I have known each other since he used to help me and walk me through House of Street because people were going to jump me.
joe rogan
And he texted me and said, Merry Christmas.
bryan callen
John and I are very close.
joe rogan
I don't show people a fucking text from Eddie.
bryan callen
We're very close.
joe rogan
I've got eight gigs of text from Eddie.
And they're all memes.
brendan schaub
He always sends memes.
He sends some fucking hilarious memes.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo has some fucking hilarious memes in his chambers.
unidentified
And they're savage memes too if someone loses.
joe rogan
Savage memes.
Oh, the memes today.
It's a totally whole new element when it comes to losing fights.
bryan callen
Who's winning this fight, by the way?
Listen to this.
joe rogan
Who's winning this fight?
bryan callen
Listen to something really weird.
joe rogan
I think it might be Lozon.
bryan callen
It is Lozon.
joe rogan
But Marcin Held's gotten some real good positions.
bryan callen
Wait, I have to tell you the story about John Joseph.
joe rogan
No, you definitely don't.
bryan callen
Yes, I do.
joe rogan
You can stop now.
I know what you're trying to do, and you can let it go.
bryan callen
I don't care about that.
I don't care whether, guys, you believe that or not.
But listen, listen, I got a great story.
I'm still waiting for a picture of him.
Lower East Side, there used to be a guy who used to wrap, he'd be naked, and he used to wrap himself in a rug.
joe rogan
Is this a Mickey Rourke movie?
bryan callen
No, listen.
Listen, goddammit.
brendan schaub
Goddammit.
joe rogan
He was a bare knuckle boxer.
bryan callen
Listen, you fucker.
joe rogan
There he is.
bryan callen
There he is.
On Avenue A, there was a guy who used to roll himself in a carpet and he was naked.
And he would want people to...
He would ask you to step on him because he would be...
joe rogan
He was on your podcast.
Episode 7, he was on your podcast.
bryan callen
Yes, that's my boy!
unidentified
Episode 7?
How many episodes have you done, B? I've seen John do...
joe rogan
I don't know a lot.
2 million.
bryan callen
I've seen John...
brendan schaub
2,000.
bryan callen
I saw John give...
When John had no money...
John is the most generous person in the world.
I saw him give this homeless dude who he knew had nowhere to stay for the night.
I saw him give him 20 bucks.
joe rogan
Oh, oh, oh, you can't do that!
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
He did like a wheel kick to the head on the ground.
brendan schaub
He's trying to go for, what, a reverse?
unidentified
I know!
joe rogan
Well, he was trying to step over and do a triangle, but it looked like he was almost going for a wheel kick on the ground.
Maybe I'm wrong.
unidentified
Is that the fight?
joe rogan
Maybe he was trying to set up a triangle.
brendan schaub
Dude, we haven't paid much attention at all to this fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, you were just trying to defend John Joseph for a full round and a half.
unidentified
I've been watching it!
bryan callen
No, you've been defending your friend for a long time.
joe rogan
Definitely weren't watching.
bryan callen
John's one of the best people on the planet.
joe rogan
I believe you.
I believe you.
He seems like it.
And I saw this documentary where they followed him around.
They followed him on his bike riding and his food preparation.
You know, he's really into eating real foods.
This is where Lowe's on fucked up.
You can't just jump guard on a guy like Held like that.
brendan schaub
But in the judge's eyes, you lose too, though.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, especially because he never had it.
You know, I mean, as soon as Held feels like he's got guillotine on him, he goes to side control.
unidentified
He passes right away.
joe rogan
He passed in the transition.
brendan schaub
In the takedown transition.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
So that's the difference between a super high-level guy that's used to avoiding that stuff all the time.
He's thinking two, three steps ahead, whereas maybe Lozon's only thinking maybe two or one.
I mean, he saw it, he went for it.
I admire that Lozon went for a bunch of shit there.
brendan schaub
Me too.
joe rogan
Tried that armbar on the ground, but I feel like that transition where he had Marcin hurt.
Like, you know, and then he dove on him on the ground.
It's too early.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
If he had just separated him, he smashed him with those elbows.
If he had just created him some space and avoided the clinch.
And strike.
brendan schaub
Especially when a guy of that high caliber grappling, his default is jiu-jitsu.
joe rogan
Don't you feel like...
brendan schaub
So Auburn stuff, it's his natural reaction to defense.
joe rogan
Sometimes scrappy dudes like Lozon, they want to prove a point maybe and try to submit a guy like Held, which would be a huge feather in his cap.
unidentified
Oh, that makes sense.
bryan callen
Kind of an ego thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, so he decides, look, I'm not scared to grapple with this guy.
I'll do everything with this guy.
Instead of sticking to a very calculated game plan.
brendan schaub
Remember Alan Belcher did that with Paul Harris.
bryan callen
He went, fuck.
brendan schaub
Go and grab that leg.
unidentified
After dude!
joe rogan
Oh, and beautiful defense on the ground, too.
brendan schaub
He's one of the only five, and I saw him, we had an appearance together for the UFC after, and I went, dude, I just gotta, I've never done this.
I just gotta give you a fucking hug.
I was like, I was so scared for you, man.
joe rogan
He had a leg lock master come in with him, too.
It might have been Lister.
brendan schaub
It might have been Lister.
And he's also a high-level black belt.
joe rogan
Find out who trained Alan Belcher for the Husamar-Paul Jarez fight.
Husamar is spelled with an R. Paul Jarez.
brendan schaub
Be a top nine Myspace friend and fill that up.
bryan callen
Let me open another bottle, guys.
Why worry?
brendan schaub
Am I in your top nine if it's Myspace?
bryan callen
You are, buddy.
brendan schaub
I'm about seven or eight.
bryan callen
Oh, you are.
You both are my t-shirt sales.
brendan schaub
Is that fucking random New York guy is two or three?
bryan callen
No, he's not random.
Fuck you.
unidentified
If the vegan from New York who defended you from the bum sucking your dicks three, where am I at, bro?
bryan callen
He's not random.
Dude, I gotta tell you.
I'll tell you a story about John Jones.
unidentified
No, please don't.
brendan schaub
No more stories about him.
bryan callen
Please.
No more.
He was the first guy to get tattoos.
I remember I... Shut the fuck up.
joe rogan
Just shut the fuck up.
brendan schaub
Hey, bro, you fucking this guy?
bryan callen
Hey, how about this?
unidentified
I'll do you one better.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
Decision, decision.
I did security for him.
brendan schaub
They tell us about the time he caught all those carrots.
joe rogan
Who wins this decision?
bryan callen
I was on stage with him.
joe rogan
Who wins this decision?
brendan schaub
Joe Lozon.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a split decision.
First one for held, second one for Lozon.
Split decision.
Joe Loza!
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
Joe Loza, Marcin Held, feeling kind of fucking salty.
Walks away.
brendan schaub
I'm a fucker can't buy a win in the UFC. Two down.
Two down.
bryan callen
Wow.
joe rogan
John Anik.
brendan schaub
No, they're throwing him to the dogs.
joe rogan
Powerful Joe Lozon.
Congratulations.
That's a giant for him.
brendan schaub
Powerful gray hair by our friend Annick.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Looks like John Annick.
bryan callen
Here you go, buddy.
joe rogan
Dean Lister.
Yeah, Dean Lister.
Yeah, that's what he said.
brendan schaub
Is that what he said?
joe rogan
Yes, that is what he said.
So Dean is the guy that helped out John Donaher initially, and Dean is also the guy that helped out...
Alan Belcher for the Husmar Palharas fight.
And then, of course, like we said, Donaher trained Tonin, who went toe-to-toe.
Like, look at this!
Like, this position here, man, when he had held Fucksville there, he had held in all sorts of trouble.
brendan schaub
That's the classic Travis Brown move.
joe rogan
Yeah, I just feel like he should have separated and maybe just struck.
brendan schaub
And not go to jiu-jitsu.
That's his wheelhouse.
You know what it's like?
It's like when Noguera had fucking Frank Mir against...
Remember he blasts him with that right hand and then shoots for the guillotine?
Frank Mir is a black belt through and through and was like, hold, let me figure this shit out.
Instead he could just pull back and knock them out.
Different story too.
bryan callen
Another story about John Joseph.
unidentified
Shut your fucking mouth.
bryan callen
Gosh, if I could just get one more John Joseph story in.
joe rogan
Do you remember early on in Frank Mir's career, his first fight ever in the UFC? He won Roberto Traven.
He caught him in a fucking arm bar and snapped his arm.
So Traven was a world jiu-jitsu champion.
He was a black belt.
And I think Frank Muir was a purple belt.
And Frank Muir just jumped on him.
He cracked him with a shot, took his arm and snapped it.
And tapped him.
brendan schaub
You know Frank is asking the UFC, like, please just let me go.
He goes, I won't even fight in the USA and compete.
I'll fight in like Russia or some shit.
bryan callen
He just wants to fight, right?
brendan schaub
He just wants to fight for money.
joe rogan
Well, what's going on?
brendan schaub
Well, he has that suspension.
joe rogan
Yeah, but if he has a suspension, he can't fight anywhere else.
Oh, yeah.
Russia's like, we don't give a fuck.
You know what he said?
brendan schaub
Wear a fucking lizard suit.
bryan callen
How about when he said, wear a lizard suit.
brendan schaub
Fucking inject your ass with whatever the fuck you want.
bryan callen
How about when he said, when he used to first be in the UFC, he wouldn't warm up before he'd go out to a fight.
joe rogan
Me?
bryan callen
I said, what do you mean?
He goes, well, to me, it's a fight.
If I get in a real fight, I'm not warmed up.
If I'm stepping in the octagon, I'm not going to warm up.
It was like a mental thing for him.
brendan schaub
That makes no sense, sir.
joe rogan
That's not smart.
I need to talk to him.
bryan callen
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Well, I think now he's doing it, though.
bryan callen
Yeah.
When you get older...
joe rogan
Valentina Shevchenko and Juliana Pena.
Interesting fight, man.
Interesting fight.
Pena's got to get that fight to the ground.
brendan schaub
Dude, Pena versus Nunez is a fun fight.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, this has got to happen first.
And then when Shevchenko and Juliana Pena fight, we're going to find out a lot about how Shevchenko can deal with relentless ground and pound and takedowns.
Pena is fucking strong.
For 135, she mauls girls.
bryan callen
She's on a win streak, too, like a crazy.
joe rogan
She's very tough.
brendan schaub
Pena?
bryan callen
Yeah, isn't she?
joe rogan
Well, she just beat Kat.
But it was Kat's comeback fight.
Kat had been out for a long time.
brendan schaub
It's a huge win.
joe rogan
It was a good fight.
Good fight.
Good fight for her.
And this is a big fight for her.
This is like really all the marbles.
brendan schaub
Yeah, this is a game changer.
joe rogan
Valentina's fucking, she's no joke, man.
She's fucking scary.
brendan schaub
Yeah, beat Holly on that Chicago card, right?
joe rogan
And she shows that nasty fucking right hook, man, where she stands in that southpaw stance and she slides back and just catches you with that check hook.
brendan schaub
The check hook, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a fucking interesting fight, man, because this girl is as game as they come.
Pena is super fucking aggressive.
brendan schaub
Dude, there's some good prospects in Invicta.
I was catching some of the highlights.
I think it was last night or two nights ago.
joe rogan
Did you see that one fight where the girl choked the girl to sleep?
Find out what that is.
It's on the underground, Jamie.
And I saw one girl.
Choked the girl to sleep and lost.
Put her to sleep at the end of the third round, and she was out cold at the buzzer.
So it should have been end of the fight.
brendan schaub
Game over.
joe rogan
And they fucking went to the judges' scorecards, and the girl got the decision.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
That violates everything about fighting.
That violates everything about fighting.
Donald Cerrone, Jorge Masvidal.
brendan schaub
That's a fun fight, man.
bryan callen
I'm excited about that fight.
brendan schaub
That's in Denver, yeah.
joe rogan
It's a good Fox card.
brendan schaub
Cerrone, Denver crowd.
bryan callen
Jorge Masvidal looks so damn good, but I think Donald's got...
joe rogan
They're both very good.
Jorge Masvidal just beat up Jake Ellenberger in his last fight.
It was a big victory for him.
And Masvidal was super sneaky.
Real technical.
brendan schaub
That's such a good matchup, man.
bryan callen
Excellent boxer.
Excellent boxer.
joe rogan
Not just a great boxer, very good takedown defense, very good submissions.
He's good at everything.
brendan schaub
Remember, he's the original backyard brawler, too.
bryan callen
And he's fighting Donald, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was in the Kimbo Slice backyard brawls, where he fought bare knuckle in fucking Miami.
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's one of my favorites.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's on YouTube, man, fighting bare knuckle.
bryan callen
And he's a schooled boxer, though.
He seems like an educated boxer.
brendan schaub
He's good at everything.
joe rogan
Very good at everything.
He's a legit, 100% mixed martial artist.
He does everything.
brendan schaub
Hey, did you see Robbie Lawler left ATT? Why?
He said, deuces.
bryan callen
Why?
Where'd he go?
brendan schaub
He's just gonna inject himself that new young blood and fuckin' punch meat.
joe rogan
He's gonna go to Monterey.
bryan callen
Oh wait, is that legal?
That would be legal, right?
brendan schaub
That's blood-doping, son?
joe rogan
No, they're just gonna stop you.
They won't even know you did it.
Yeah, or you get somebody- Oh, but you're not even allowed to do an IV. Yeah, let alone blood dope with a young fuckin' shit.
Hold on, is this John Wick 2?
Cause I might be all in.
brendan schaub
Sign me up.
unidentified
I might be all in.
brendan schaub
But Vin Diesel, he shit on right away.
joe rogan
No, no, no, he shit on Vin Diesel's mouth.
John Wick, not only does he drive a muscle car, he...
brendan schaub
Oh, look at this thing.
He's into motorcycles, too.
joe rogan
And they killed his dog, and that's why he had to fuck everybody up.
bryan callen
I'm in.
brendan schaub
The first John Wick, so underrated.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a great fucking film.
brendan schaub
Dude, I saw him in Starbucks.
I'm gonna shit my pants.
unidentified
Oh, really?
bryan callen
He's tall, isn't he?
He's a lot taller.
He's a big dude.
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
Jumped on a Harley.
bryan callen
Do you know what his nationality is?
brendan schaub
He owned that joint.
bryan callen
You know what he's half?
brendan schaub
Japanese.
bryan callen
No.
brendan schaub
Korean.
joe rogan
No.
Gay.
bryan callen
I like your attitude so far.
Gonna need more guesses.
brendan schaub
Filipino.
unidentified
What?
bryan callen
Not Filipino either.
joe rogan
So they got a John Wick VR coming out.
bryan callen
Keep guessing what he's half.
Because one side's white and the other side is...
joe rogan
Look at what Jamie's got here.
John Wick VR game.
unidentified
Not Russian.
bryan callen
Not Russian.
I'm gonna have to have you keep guessing.
joe rogan
I don't give a fuck.
Just come up with the answer.
bryan callen
It's important.
joe rogan
Just come up with the answer.
unidentified
Hold on, hold on.
brendan schaub
Let me look at his face.
bryan callen
Look at his face.
joe rogan
Chinese.
bryan callen
Okay, no.
joe rogan
Just say it.
unidentified
I said Asia.
joe rogan
Oh, look at his...
bryan callen
I'm not going to say it until you tell me.
joe rogan
God damn it, get your fucking microphone on.
bryan callen
Guess what it is.
unidentified
Ready?
bryan callen
Guess what it is.
unidentified
What?
bryan callen
And after this, I got a John Joseph story, but listen to this.
No.
brendan schaub
One more.
No.
bryan callen
Dude, can you believe it?
He's half Samoan.
joe rogan
I can't believe you even bothered to fucking waste our time with that.
bryan callen
Because he just sounded dramatic.
brendan schaub
Samoan's a tough one.
bryan callen
It's a tough one, but he's big.
That's why he's so big.
brendan schaub
He's tall.
bryan callen
He's 6'2".
Easy.
brendan schaub
Hey, how much fucking money did he make off Matrix?
joe rogan
A lot.
Hundreds of millions.
bryan callen
Enough to buy everybody a Harley.
He bought all the stunt guys Harleys, I think.
brendan schaub
That don't mean shit.
He's so rich.
joe rogan
I just love that movie, man.
I look, it's a stupid movie, and it's ridiculous, and it's unrealistic, but I like a guy who drives a muscle car and fucks everybody up.
bryan callen
I never saw John Wick.
brendan schaub
And he's solo.
unidentified
I'm in.
brendan schaub
There's no sidekick.
unidentified
Exactly.
brendan schaub
He calls no help.
joe rogan
I'm in.
brendan schaub
Yeah, me too.
bryan callen
Do you remember Cobra with Sylvester Stallone?
brendan schaub
You bet your sweet ass the cover was like this.
bryan callen
And he comes out and he's got a match in his mouth.
unidentified
Yeah!
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
He drove that old car, that cool old car.
unidentified
What was it?
joe rogan
What was it?
Okay, here's the...
What is the fight?
What is the fight, Jamie?
What does it say here?
brendan schaub
This is where she gets...
joe rogan
Okay, well, we'll find out who it was, but check this out.
Watch the transition.
This is the end of the fight.
Check it out.
So there's a scramble, and in the scramble, okay, well, this is way later, but the girl catches, like, a rear naked choke from the side and puts the girls to sleep.
She's hanging on.
Buzzer.
Watch.
Gets up.
Girl's out cold.
Fight's over.
brendan schaub
Game over.
joe rogan
Game over.
100%.
TKL. That girl's out fucking cold.
459 seconds.
Powerful Gracie Baja on the booty right in front of you.
Not a good ad.
Not a good ad while you're getting put to sleep.
brendan schaub
Not the kind of representation.
joe rogan
Find out who it was, young Jamie.
unidentified
It says Haga?
joe rogan
Well, just find out who it was.
Just find out who it was.
But the actual names.
Let's find the actual names of both girls.
Because it was on Invicta last night, so see if you could find it.
But anyway, point being, it's terrible officiating.
When someone's asleep, the fight's over.
Period.
End of discussion.
She's like getting knocked out with one second to go.
It doesn't...
Just because, oh, you're out cold, but ding, there's the bell.
brendan schaub
That tatted up girls trying to fight in the UFC too, right?
Didn't she get on the mic and was like, put me in the fucking UFC to murder you?
joe rogan
She just won.
brendan schaub
So is she going to UFC now?
joe rogan
I didn't see her fight.
bryan callen
She looks kind of hot.
joe rogan
I saw a few seconds of her fight, but I was running out the door.
brendan schaub
Dude, there's one girl on this card that will knock your dick in the dirt.
joe rogan
Hold on, Jamie.
Say it again, Jamie.
Amy Montenegro defeated.
She defeated Celine Haga via unanimous decision while being unconscious.
brendan schaub
Tight move, girl.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
So, in my world, Celine Haga wins.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but we don't live in that world.
joe rogan
No, no, they changed that.
brendan schaub
They reversed that.
joe rogan
That fight, there's no way that stays.
No, that's crazy.
They reversed that.
You can't have that.
You can't have that.
That's an offense to fighting.
brendan schaub
Hey, let's go ahead and call up the girl that won at 145, though, huh?
We kind of need some fucking contenders up there.
unidentified
It says it was at the buzzer and shit.
She lost?
joe rogan
She put her to sleep.
Still loses on scorecards.
So what?
brendan schaub
But that's bad officiating because she was out before the bell rang.
joe rogan
Exactly.
The fight's over.
The fight's over.
brendan schaub
It's ref air.
joe rogan
Yeah, the ref made a huge mistake.
He fucked up.
They should appeal.
They'll win.
brendan schaub
What state is that in?
joe rogan
If they don't win, it's a huge injustice.
brendan schaub
If they don't win, I will fly out there and piss on...
You say Kansas City?
unidentified
Missouri.
joe rogan
Missouri, get your shit together.
brendan schaub
Your chief's already fucking lost.
joe rogan
Figure it out.
bryan callen
This guy's taekwondo reminds me of me when I was young.
joe rogan
Shut your fucking mouth.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
Don't make me.
bryan callen
Right before you even get to it.
Don't make me.
I'm like, all right.
joe rogan
Don't replay the video of your sidekick lesson.
bryan callen
Guys, my wheel kick.
brendan schaub
I'm just sitting here recording the whole thing.
bryan callen
I'm just glad there's no video of my wheel kick in the air.
joe rogan
I've seen it.
bryan callen
Damn it.
joe rogan
Needs work.
brendan schaub
Every live show they ask for it, B, huh?
bryan callen
Yeah, it's exhausting.
And I'm in jeans.
I'm like, nah.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you wear athletic shoes because you know they're going to ask.
bryan callen
That's not true, Brendan Chopper.
joe rogan
I forgot that Sean Shirk knockout.
That Sean Shirk one.
brendan schaub
Oh, that's Sean Shirk back in the day, too.
Remember?
I was texting you this the other day.
I had a random thought about Sean Shirk because my brain's very strange.
joe rogan
He was a beast.
brendan schaub
You know what I remember for?
Those shitty, shitty teeth, though.
They were like a real Mako shark's teeth.
bryan callen
Very sharp teeth.
I don't remember that at all!
joe rogan
I know!
You're so superficial!
bryan callen
Joe, no!
brendan schaub
I text Joe, I go, remember his teeth?
He go, not at all.
I sent a picture of Sean Shirk smiling like this.
bryan callen
Brandon will pick up some stuff.
joe rogan
There's his teeth.
Looks totally normal.
bryan callen
Handsome guy.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
brendan schaub
His bottom teeth look like...
joe rogan
Get in on those teeth.
Get in on those teeth.
bryan callen
Small guy.
joe rogan
I don't get it, dude.
unidentified
Excuse me, sir, it looks like a jigsaw puzzle.
joe rogan
You are so weird.
Would you get your teeth fixed if you were him?
Would that be before or after you got your fake tan?
Like, if you were him, how would you handle it?
Would you get a fade?
bryan callen
The important thing is he's all natural.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
You remember the videos they'd show him with, like, weighted vests and climbing up stairs, just this little fucking people?
joe rogan
Some of the most insane strength and conditioning workouts.
He was jacked.
brendan schaub
The shark.
Don't you ever fucking forget it.
joe rogan
And he had a tunnel under his house that went straight to Mexico.
And that's what he would get.
All of his vitamins.
brendan schaub
All his fucking shark blood.
All his bull shark blood.
joe rogan
They would pull it right out of Great White Shark.
bryan callen
Bull shark.
joe rogan
They would grind up Great White Shark's dicks and put it in a protein shake for him every morning.
brendan schaub
He was such a savage for a while.
Hey, remember he lost to BJ and then ran out of the arena?
They found him underneath the car.
Chewing on the muffler.
bryan callen
From Tesla, right?
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
That's not true.
bryan callen
They were trying to test him?
joe rogan
No, he was just sad.
brendan schaub
No, he was fucking bummed because BJ threw a flying knee and knocked him out.
joe rogan
BJ beat the shit out of him in that fight.
brendan schaub
So he ran under MGM and was under a van.
joe rogan
Look at BJ. He looks very fired up, man.
bryan callen
BJ's loving it.
brendan schaub
This goes one of two ways.
Either we feel really bad for BJ and he gets just outclassed by a young line, or I think it's a fucking five-round scrap.
bryan callen
Well, this...
brendan schaub
It's not going to be...
joe rogan
Five-round.
Look how fucking intense BJ looks, man.
unidentified
He looks fired up.
bryan callen
Is it safe to say he's never fought anybody with this kind of style?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, no one has a style of Yair Rodriguez.
Yair is very good at scrambling off of his back, too.
He's really good from the bottom, and that's gonna be really interesting because BJ has a fucking crushing top game.
And he had a crushing top game at 55 and above.
At 145, which is where he's at, and apparently he's been making 45 easy.
brendan schaub
Yep.
joe rogan
And, you know, he just is super focused on cardio.
He's been training at Jackson's for a long time now because he's had two cancellations.
One injury cancellation and one IV cancellation.
He took an IV out of competition because he was dehydrated.
brendan schaub
So silly.
joe rogan
He did a hard, hard training session and was honest about it.
Just said, yeah, you know, I took an IV. I just had some water put in his body.
It's nothing.
It really is nothing.
brendan schaub
That was supposed to be in the LA card, too, yeah?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
And they pulled him from the card because of that.
So...
He's had a ton of time.
The positive is he's had a ton of time, and he's never wavered.
He's been at Jackson's the whole time.
bryan callen
How old is he now?
brendan schaub
BJ's 38. And he has Perillo, he has Winklejohn in his corner, and Jackson.
joe rogan
He's been fighting a long time.
brendan schaub
Perillo's my coach of the year, man.
joe rogan
Perillo's an excellent boxing coach.
Excellent, excellent boxing coach.
bryan callen
Who is that guy right there?
joe rogan
That's Perillo.
That's Jason Perillo.
brendan schaub
Only works with the best of the best.
Creme de la creme.
joe rogan
He's very, very good.
And he's with BJ for a long fucking time.
Well, you know, BJ just felt real bad about how his fight with Frankie Edgar went.
And he just really felt like that wasn't him.
bryan callen
It was a strange style.
He was up on his toes.
He was almost in that boxing style, which was crazy.
joe rogan
It wasn't even like a boxing style.
It was like his legs were so close together.
He thought he'd be more efficient and he'd use less energy.
That was the idea behind it.
And he apparently had been doing it in camp and had been working.
bryan callen
Not against Frank Edgar who didn't dive into that double leg.
joe rogan
Well, it's also, you know, you're going right in against Frank Edgar.
brendan schaub
This boy is a young fucking lion.
bryan callen
He's so athletic.
He's so, like, kicking with those crazy Taekwondo kicks.
joe rogan
Well, here's the thing.
BJ might have the best chin in the history of fighting.
bryan callen
At this age?
joe rogan
Might have the best chin.
Still has not been knocked out.
bryan callen
He's never been knocked out.
joe rogan
He's been beat up.
He's been stopped.
He got stopped by Frankie on cuts.
Frankie got on top of him and beat the shit out of him.
brendan schaub
Frankie did work and didn't knock him out.
joe rogan
Didn't knock him out.
brendan schaub
He took shots.
joe rogan
He got beat up by Rory McDonald when Rory was a legit 170. Top of the food chain 170. Rory beat the shit out of him.
And he didn't stop him.
Nick Diaz beat the fuck out of him.
bryan callen
That's another one who's never been knocked out.
Nick Diaz.
joe rogan
But George St. Pierre stopped him.
George St. Pierre kept him on his corner.
He kept him on his stool in between the corner.
But just overwhelmed him, beat him up, and just mauled him.
You know, when George was at the top of his game.
bryan callen
Did they stop that fight early?
joe rogan
Yes.
bryan callen
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
I never root against BJ. Never root against BJ. I'm not rooting for anybody in this fight.
This fight for me is like, can the legend come back?
I mean, does he have it in his shell?
Does he have it in his body?
Does he have it in his will?
How has he been treating his body?
How has he been taking care of himself?
Where's his motivation?
You know, does he look at this as one last shot at redemption?
And then this fucking kid who is just an assassin He's so good and so hungry and he's coming up and he's so dynamic and he shows all of this massive potential.
He has incredible creativity.
He has unbelievable dexterity in his legs.
That Andrew Feely knockout where he hit him with that flying switch round kick.
Dude, he's no joke.
He can do things that no one else can.
So what he's like, he's like a top-level taekwondo fighter who also knows how to fight on the ground, who also knows how to box.
bryan callen
Was he brought into Jose Aldo's camp to get him ready for...
joe rogan
No.
bryan callen
That wasn't him.
joe rogan
That was the other guy.
brendan schaub
Completely different guy.
That guy's in jungle fights.
bryan callen
Rumble in the jungle or something like that?
brendan schaub
Yeah, he's in jungle fights.
This is a different camp.
bryan callen
That guy's a killer, too.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
No, he is.
joe rogan
Goddammit, why am I blanking on his name?
Jonas...
Jonas Speed...
Goddammit, what is his last name?
brendan schaub
Jungle Fight Champ.
joe rogan
Jungle Fight Champ.
Jonas Speed brought in to help...
brendan schaub
Jose Aldo.
joe rogan
Jose Aldo.
brendan schaub
And he looks just like...
joe rogan
Jamie will find him.
unidentified
Bill Harino?
joe rogan
Billerino, yeah.
Billerino.
Billerino's a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Let's get that motherfucker over.
joe rogan
He'll come over eventually, I'm sure.
But he's fighting in Jungle Fight, and he put up a highlight reel of Jonas Billerino, man.
bryan callen
He does some crazy shit, bro.
joe rogan
That's one of the reasons why they brought him in for Conor.
Didn't work, by the way.
Didn't help.
brendan schaub
Thanks for all the help.
Kadoosh!
joe rogan
19 seconds.
What Billerino doesn't have is that fucking piston on the left hand that Conor asked.
brendan schaub
Talking about the X Factor?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I'm with the Irish X Factor.
joe rogan
Well, he's also got a fucking iron chin, and he's a savage.
bryan callen
Look at that kick, look at that.
joe rogan
But Bill Arino's nasty with his kicks, man.
Nasty.
bryan callen
He leans way back.
joe rogan
You can't punch him in the face.
Oh, that was a round kick, but thanks.
bryan callen
No, I'm saying before that.
joe rogan
Look at that switch high kick, yeah.
He's nasty.
Well, you know what, man?
There's a ton of those guys now all over the world.
bryan callen
Yes.
joe rogan
There's a ton of those guys who are traditional Kyokushin fighters, traditional Muay Thai fighters, and they're getting into MMA now.
Gaston Bolanos is making his fucking MMA debut in DeBelletor.
brendan schaub
Is he?
joe rogan
Everybody be working on your takedown skills.
You best work on those takedown skills, son.
brendan schaub
That's all you're gonna be doing.
Fuck the stand-up game.
joe rogan
You're standing with a legit Muay Thai master.
brendan schaub
I'm gonna go ahead and do that Randy Couture, James Toney game.
bryan callen
Look at this guy.
Look at how hard this guy is to hit.
Look at this.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's nasty.
Then again, then again, it's not the UFC. But he's beautiful from that southpaw stance, and he throws that nasty leg kick, or a nasty left kick, rather, to the body.
Holy shit, we're about to watch BJ Penn fight.
brendan schaub
Yeah, fuck that guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, put Billerino off.
Let's focus.
Let's focus.
bryan callen
Focusing, guys.
joe rogan
How are you feeling right now?
brendan schaub
I'm a little nervous.
BJ's one of my faves.
joe rogan
Brian Cowan, are you paying attention to this, or are you thinking of John Joseph stories?
bryan callen
I've got a lot.
I've got a bunch of them on the tip of my tongue.
brendan schaub
I just can't wait for this to end.
Last thing about John Joseph.
bryan callen
One more thing.
brendan schaub
There's a time we juiced and then we fucked each other.
joe rogan
And then we went and ate vegan food.
bryan callen
I dove into a crowd.
The only time I did something, I dove into a crowd off of his stage when he was in the Cro-Mags.
joe rogan
Okay, shut the fuck up.
I was joking.
bryan callen
BJ Penn's up, sir.
It was the scariest time for me because I'm a radical kid.
joe rogan
Excuse me.
brendan schaub
Come on, BJ. It's time.
There's nothing worse than seeing a legend just get murked.
bryan callen
Well, he's finding the new blood.
joe rogan
By the way, Bruce Buffer has a blown ACL while he's screaming and jumping around up there.
Yeah, he has not had the surgery because he does not want to take the time off of announcing.
That is a goddamn savage.
bryan callen
I don't want to see the UFC without Bruce Buffer.
joe rogan
He's a savage.
bryan callen
He's amazing.
joe rogan
Bruce Buffer is the greatest ring announcer in the world.
bryan callen
Ever.
unidentified
Hey, do you think Mike Goldberg's in the crowd going, Virtually identical!
Oh, how dare you.
joe rogan
How dare you.
He's yelling out for BJ to embrace the grind.
brendan schaub
BJ's embracing the grind!
joe rogan
Well, this is in Phoenix.
This is Mike's hometown.
Mike fucking loves MMA, man.
brendan schaub
Oh yeah, he's a fit.
joe rogan
There's BJ's girl.
bryan callen
You're gonna miss Mike, I'm sure.
joe rogan
I will stay in contact with Mike till the day I die.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Mike is my friend, and you know, the UFC was sold to WME. They have their own thoughts on what they want to do, and I will be friends with Mike Goldberg till the day I die.
brendan schaub
I love that guy.
Can't get the guy a sign off, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
bryan callen
You're so good.
joe rogan
I didn't know what to do, man.
brendan schaub
Can't do one of those old, weird animal videos?
joe rogan
They didn't want to, man.
You know, I don't know what's going on.
brendan schaub
You should be civilized.
joe rogan
I know.
Well, I don't know what's going on in terms of organizations, you know?
I don't either.
I literally know Dana, and Dana's the reason why I'm still there.
I mean, I've met Ari.
He's a very nice guy.
He's a very smart guy.
He's a very successful guy.
I wish them all the best.
I'm rooting for them 100%.
Obviously, I'm still with the company.
I love them.
It's an honor to work for the UFC. But if Dana was out, you're out.
Oh, yes.
He's the only reason why I'm there.
brendan schaub
What if he's kind of there, but he's on the island all the time?
joe rogan
Fight companion, motherfucker!
I'm gonna be 50 in August.
I like staying home.
I like playing with my kids.
I like doing jujitsu.
I like playing pool.
I like doing yoga.
I've been rolling again.
Loving it.
brendan schaub
Where at?
joe rogan
Jean-Jacques Machado's.
brendan schaub
Nice.
joe rogan
I've been doing a little gi roll to get myself back.
Right away.
Kick to the body.
Kick to the body.
453, 452, 451. First round if you want to sync it up.
brendan schaub
Hey, no advice to BJ Penn, right?
bryan callen
I know, I know.
joe rogan
Brian, please shut the fuck up.
brendan schaub
You've never had a fight.
No advice to BJ Penn.
bryan callen
I was a Taekwondo master.
joe rogan
BJ moving.
No, you're never a master.
BJ with the takedown.
bryan callen
Uh-oh.
joe rogan
He's got the clinch.
He caught the kick.
Good job of stepping inside that spinning kick, too.
brendan schaub
That's one thing I can't handle.
Hall of Famer?
joe rogan
You might want to stay offline, Brian, for a few days after this.
brendan schaub
You might want to lay low, but let me talk to you about that.
joe rogan
Yeah, definitely don't look at those Facebook comments.
Alright, here we go.
Look, Aaron tries to take BJ down.
Interesting.
Well, he ties up with that overhook.
Do you ever hit that?
You know that...
bryan callen
You ask me?
joe rogan
No.
Yair on the outside, super dangerous.
Now BJ is also moving to his right, which I don't like when Yair throws that horrible left kick.
bryan callen
I know.
joe rogan
But you know what?
It's weird for guys who are right-handed to move to their left.
You've got to train it.
It's a natural reaction for whatever reason for guys to want to move to their right.
So when you're fighting a guy who's a southpaw who's a nasty kicker, so you have distance, you have a distance issue to deal with, and then you also have to mitigate the fact that you're walking into his power kick.
brendan schaub
But remember, Yaya's switching constantly.
joe rogan
Yep, constantly.
brendan schaub
So it's like pick your poison, son.
joe rogan
Yep, constantly.
brendan schaub
Kind of just got to do your thing if you're BJ. But that's that Taekwondo style.
joe rogan
He can fight off of either way, left or right forward.
So BJ is more of a boxing-oriented striker.
brendan schaub
He's only boxing.
joe rogan
He throws leg kicks.
I mean, remember he fucked up Diego Sanchez with a head kick, remember?
brendan schaub
Goddamn, that was a while ago.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a while ago.
But that kick to the head was what opened up that giant gash.
brendan schaub
Ooh, nice jab there by BJ. He needs to relax just a little bit and pick his shots and he can get him out in the first round.
joe rogan
Oh, don't say that ever.
brendan schaub
I know, it's fucked up, right?
joe rogan
I don't know why you said that.
brendan schaub
I know.
joe rogan
Ooh, right hand by Yair.
See, the thing is, BJ looks in shape and BJ looks fit.
brendan schaub
He looks motivated.
joe rogan
It's just a matter of whether or not he can get this to the ground or he can get something going and try to sap something out of this young kid.
brendan schaub
I don't know if Rodriguez is as fast as the roadrunner.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
He got stunned with that kick.
He got stung.
brendan schaub
Or BJ Penn slow as fuck.
joe rogan
That left kick went through the guard and it caught part of the...
unidentified
Oh!
Head kick!
bryan callen
Please keep your hand up.
joe rogan
And again, he's moving to his right.
bryan callen
I see it.
I know.
joe rogan
And Yair is- Oh!
Wheel kick!
unidentified
He catched BJ in the head with a wheel kick.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Yair is so fucking scary.
Oh wow.
Barely, barely avoided that high kick.
So what BJ's gotta do is move on the outside and then figure out the- Oh!
Look at this!
Oh, Yair is so strong.
Knee to the body.
bryan callen
Come on, BJ. No, hands up, please.
joe rogan
This is so interesting.
This is so interesting.
bryan callen
Hard to fight him, man.
joe rogan
He's still in there.
But here's the thing.
A fight can change at any moment.
So right now you've got Yair walking him down, looking for that big kick, and you look like BJ's in a bit of trouble.
But let's see if BJ can recover.
You've got to remember, BJ's been around for a long fucking time.
He's fought a lot of tough guys.
Not like this.
But here's the thing.
I was going to say, here's what we haven't seen from BJ. I don't remember BJ ever coming back in a fight and winning.
Do you?
bryan callen
His kicks just...
joe rogan
I remember BJ winning.
He beat a lot of fucking guys.
But have you ever seen BJ get beat up and then come back and won?
unidentified
BJ just looked at the clock.
brendan schaub
BJ just looked at the clock.
BJ's like, holy fuck, this is not Matt Hughes.
joe rogan
It's the kicks, man.
The kicks and from the outside.
brendan schaub
It's the angles, man.
joe rogan
Look at that front leg sidekick.
brendan schaub
He can't get in either.
joe rogan
He does everything from a farther distance than BJ can hit him.
bryan callen
Yes, exactly.
joe rogan
Everything is like a...
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
360 round kick!
unidentified
Buck!
joe rogan
He's hitting him with some jack!
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Jumping front kick to the face!
brendan schaub
I don't want to see this.
joe rogan
Right hand!
I don't like this.
Oh, man.
The high kick is there, man.
He's got to be careful.
Oh!
Beach it with the right hand.
He's got to be careful because he's backing up.
He's dropping that right hand.
Oh, my God.
He's getting lit up.
brendan schaub
This is what I didn't want to see.
joe rogan
And he's got his back to the cage.
And he catches the kick again.
Oh, again to the arm.
And again.
Yeah, but he's taking on the forearm, dude.
brendan schaub
He's doing it with one arm.
joe rogan
Oh, and then he goes under to the body.
brendan schaub
He's going to switch kick to the head.
He's going to switch kick to the head.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
Get ready, kids.
bryan callen
It's ugly.
joe rogan
Switch kick to the head for a walk-off.
He's doing that slide in with the right leg, looking to switch with the left in the air.
unidentified
Oh, inside leg kick.
brendan schaub
He's setting up a head kick.
joe rogan
My, he's chewing BJ up.
bryan callen
Those kicks are nasty.
brendan schaub
God damn it.
Doug, he is fucking him up.
bryan callen
He's so fast, young.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
But it's a guy that's a dynamic kicker who can also box with such an advantage.
Oh, look at that low round kick.
brendan schaub
How dare you kick him in the ankle?
Show a little respect.
joe rogan
He has such an advantage in distance.
It's almost like having a reach advantage.
It's almost like being a taller fighter.
bryan callen
Is he kicking him with the top of his foot or with his shin?
joe rogan
Both.
brendan schaub
He's mixing it up.
joe rogan
He's mixing it up.
He's throwing tight window kicks.
He's throwing whatever the fuck you want.
He's throwing Muay Thai style.
bryan callen
I've always thought that was so risky if you hit somebody's elbow with the top of your foot.
joe rogan
What's risky if you hit them with the shin?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
You ever hit someone's elbow with your shin?
unidentified
It's horrible.
brendan schaub
When they check it too?
Or if they check with their knee?
joe rogan
Holy shit, what a round.
Big John is talking to BJ. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Go to BJ's corner, man.
Look up at the air.
That ain't good.
That ain't good.
When you look up at the sky when you get kicked.
360, son.
brendan schaub
Also, what people don't realize is when he blocks it and he has just one hand, it fucks you up.
bryan callen
Look at how tough BJ is to take these shots, though.
joe rogan
Dude, I'm telling you, BJ might have the best chin ever.
Maybe even better than Mark Hunt.
brendan schaub
Or Roy.
Yeah, he's fucking up there when you think about the shots he's eaten.
joe rogan
Well, Roy's been knocked out, remember?
brendan schaub
His last fight against Mark Hunt.
joe rogan
Not last, but last time he got stopped.
The walkaway uppercut.
He walkaway KO'd him.
It is nuts that he's able to take that kind of punishment.
Those are crazy shots.
Unbelievable.
bryan callen
Head getting rocked back.
brendan schaub
God, BJ getting his ass whip just makes me want to eat some Taco Bell.
I like any excuse to hate yourself.
joe rogan
You gotta hate yourself to eat that Taco Bell.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I do.
bryan callen
You want some more wine?
joe rogan
I never hate myself that much to have Taco Bell.
brendan schaub
Have you ever had Chick-fil-A though?
unidentified
Because you should celebrate that.
brendan schaub
I fucking...
joe rogan
Celebrate Chick-fil-A or Taco Bell?
brendan schaub
Chick-fil-A. No, fuck Taco Bell.
joe rogan
That shit's for the birds.
brendan schaub
Chick-fil-A is fucking very yummy.
You know who doesn't ever eat Chick-fil-A? They're closed on Sundays, though.
bryan callen
You know who never eats Chick-fil-A? Here we go.
John Joseph.
John Joseph.
joe rogan
Oh!
Oh, he heard him!
He heard him!
He heard him.
This is it, boys.
brendan schaub
I'm depressed.
Pour me that wine.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
Big John's stepping in here.
brendan schaub
Fucking Callan told him to keep his hands up.
joe rogan
BJ's still moving.
bryan callen
He's still moving.
joe rogan
Goddamn!
brendan schaub
Hey, stop the fight!
joe rogan
I was better than BJ.
Stop the fight!
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
joe rogan
Not yet, not yet.
brendan schaub
Yes, you guys, it's a legend.
It's a legend.
He's not famous.
unidentified
Fuck.
Fuck.
bryan callen
Save him, save him.
joe rogan
Goddamn, Yair Rodriguez is good.
Yes.
brendan schaub
That was just like Jurassic Park, that little goat.
unidentified
He's a beast.
joe rogan
The little goat?
unidentified
The little goat, and then everyone's like, what's gonna happen?
brendan schaub
He was hitting him.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
Look, BJ's pissed.
brendan schaub
BJ said I had that.
joe rogan
I don't know if he's pissed.
I mean, he's upset, obviously.
brendan schaub
See, that's BJ right now.
joe rogan
The goat in Jurassic Park.
brendan schaub
And Yair is the fucking philosopher.
joe rogan
First of all, how dare you have that as a ready?
brendan schaub
No, he's an old goat.
unidentified
Get that fucking primed!
It's true, though.
joe rogan
Go to that picture above it when you see the Velociraptor with the goat.
One at a time, Jamie.
brendan schaub
Who did that?
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
bryan callen
Oh, my God.
brendan schaub
God damn it.
joe rogan
So let's take a look at the replay, man.
brendan schaub
Hey, BJ, let's go ahead and just go.
joe rogan
What do you think Greg Jackson's telling him?
That's a wrap?
brendan schaub
Just saying, hey, you did everything you could.
You trained your hardest.
joe rogan
This shows you the limitations of having a boxing-only style when you're fighting a kicker.
brendan schaub
Look at it.
It's not even that, though, Joe.
Is it?
No, I think it's that.
joe rogan
But look at this.
Front kick to the face and then a right hand behind it really stuns him.
brendan schaub
It's also 2017. It shows you how advanced the UFC is now.
bryan callen
He kicked him in the front foot!
joe rogan
It was a front kick to the face, watch this, boom, and then a right hand behind it.
It's just, his range is different because he's kicking.
His ability is different.
brendan schaub
Everything's different for him.
joe rogan
Everything's different.
When you're fighting and you only have boxing...
It's a terrible fight for BJ. Yeah, when you only have boxing and you're fighting a guy who can box and also is a dynamic kicker, you're in such a disadvantage.
brendan schaub
But also doesn't play the boxing game.
He doesn't do the boxing range, which is what you're seeing in practice.
You get out there like, what the fuck is this?
joe rogan
Oh, it's 2017. He's also not doing a Muay Thai range.
He's doing like a sport karate range.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but he's also mixing up, going to clinch, then doing crazy kicks and all this shit.
joe rogan
So good.
brendan schaub
Hey, BJ, I haven't found in a little while.
Here's the most dynamic guy.
joe rogan
Oh, so there's the guy.
There's Todd Grisham.
So this is the new guy that they hired.
So this is what they hired him for, to work the desk.
brendan schaub
Who's the girl that did it before?
joe rogan
Karen Bryan.
I think she still does it.
brendan schaub
Did they say Karen hit the showers?
joe rogan
I don't think so.
unidentified
I think she still does it.
brendan schaub
I don't know, did they?
joe rogan
I think she still does it.
I think they just hired this guy as well.
brendan schaub
Karen was great.
bryan callen
This guy's pretty cool because we were making fun of him, not in a mean way, but he called him.
brendan schaub
Nah, we roast him pretty bad on the show.
bryan callen
Yeah, and he says to Shabby, he goes, what did he say to you?
brendan schaub
He's got a He said, you and I have the same haircut, man.
And we were saying he looks like a guy you'd rent a car from.
He goes, hey, I heard Hertz has an opening, too, for you.
I'll ask him if I can hook you up.
bryan callen
He's really funny.
It was funny.
And he goes, goddammit, I love the show.
joe rogan
That's funny.
bryan callen
He's a good guy.
joe rogan
Well, hey, man, it's maybe one of the hardest gigs to step into at this stage of the game.
brendan schaub
Everyone's going to hate on you, no matter what.
joe rogan
No matter what.
bryan callen
Mike Goldberg was really fucking good.
brendan schaub
He's not replacing Mike.
That's what people don't realize.
He's not the replacement for Mike.
He's not going to be next to Joe.
Everyone thinks just because he got announced.
joe rogan
I think it's going to be John Anik.
brendan schaub
I think it's going to be Anik.
bryan callen
John Anik's great.
brendan schaub
I love Anik.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's weird, man.
You know, it's like whenever you change something, it's weird.
And what's really weird is that Goldberg's last show is like one of our best ever.
We were laughing, flowing together.
brendan schaub
He's a good dude.
joe rogan
I've known him forever.
I mean, I've known him since 1997. Wow.
brendan schaub
Fucking Penn& Teller.
He hasn't been doing it forever, man.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Since 1997. Hey man, when, you know, you spend four fucking billion dollars on something, you just want to just do whatever you want.
You want to tear out the kitchen and replace the shower head and put a fucking new staircase in.
brendan schaub
Fire all the maids.
joe rogan
Fire everybody.
brendan schaub
Bring in Reebok.
joe rogan
Yeah, fire everybody.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
I wonder if the Reebok deal sticks.
Does the Reebok deal stick during the transition?
How's that work?
brendan schaub
I mean, they have to honor all the contracts.
I guarantee as soon as it's up, WME's going to be like...
joe rogan
Double birds.
Now, how many more years did they have?
brendan schaub
Seven.
joe rogan
Seven.
brendan schaub
Signed a lifetime.
No, I'm just joking.
No, I'm just joking.
I think it's up in two.
I'm pretty sure Reebok's like, get us the fuck out.
joe rogan
Hey, Jamie, crank the volume up on this because I guarantee you they're going to interview BJ. You have to.
unidentified
This is his last fight.
joe rogan
It's a goddamn disservice.
And since he didn't go out cold...
I'd probably interview him too.
brendan schaub
If they don't interview him, Mike Goldberg should jump in and do the Kanye West-Taylor Swift thing.
That'd be sick.
joe rogan
Let's see what happens here.
unidentified
Could you have been any worse of a matchup for BJ? Who's the guy in the tie?
joe rogan
You need to back off Yair.
Is that his translator?
You don't have to.
He speaks perfect English.
brendan schaub
How about we just find that fucking air piece?
joe rogan
He threw up on my feet once.
brendan schaub
Yair did?
joe rogan
Yeah, he won a fight and then threw up on me.
He threw up on the ground.
He tried to throw up under his shirt and it landed on my feet.
brendan schaub
You wearing your nice shoes?
Some Proud or some shit?
Or you wearing those workout shoes?
joe rogan
I wear some shoes that I wear that are comfortable for the UFC. They have fairly soft bottoms.
You don't give a fuck.
brendan schaub
You don't give a fuck.
bryan callen
No, he wears a fanny pack.
I think you had a fanny pack on on stage the other night.
unidentified
No, he didn't.
brendan schaub
He had shit in his pocket.
No, you didn't.
The other night you had a bunch of shit in your pocket.
joe rogan
Not the other night, but the night before that I had a fanny pack on.
Depending on what I'm wearing.
brendan schaub
I was like, he has a bunch of shit in his pocket.
bryan callen
I will never wear a fanny pack.
Never.
joe rogan
Oh, good for you.
bryan callen
I'm way too fucking...
joe rogan
You're way too vain.
bryan callen
I'm macho.
I'm vain.
brendan schaub
Cro-Cop's not macho?
bryan callen
I like nice...
joe rogan
Cro-Cop wears one?
Chuck Norris.
brendan schaub
Cro-Cop wears one all the time.
joe rogan
And John Hapman.
bryan callen
Guys, I'm easily influenced.
Take it easy.
joe rogan
And Dice Clay.
brendan schaub
And your boy who's vegan.
joe rogan
And John Joseph?
bryan callen
But he doesn't wear it, not out of leather.
He wears no leather.
None.
joe rogan
He wears no leather?
Nylon, something that kills the whole planet.
brendan schaub
What shoes does he wear?
joe rogan
He is a Hare Krishna, right?
bryan callen
Legit.
brendan schaub
What shoes does he wear?
joe rogan
Oh, BJ stepped out.
bryan callen
He wears anything that's made of canvas, hemp.
brendan schaub
Bro, that wasn't at the comic store.
joe rogan
That's at the Ice House the other night.
Look at that.
Strong fanny pack.
That's a Kuyu camo jacket.
brendan schaub
Damn, that's snake skin, son.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
That's Kuyu camo.
brendan schaub
No, that's Stingray.
I see you flashing up there.
joe rogan
No, this is this.
This is this.
brendan schaub
Nah, that looks like Stingray with diamonds.
joe rogan
You're incorrect.
Oh, man.
Look at that.
That front kick to the face.
unidentified
That makes me want to go hunting when I see that 360. It should.
joe rogan
That 360 round kick, man.
unidentified
Goddamn.
That wasn't fun to see.
joe rogan
It goes to the body, too.
It was a domination.
Like a total, complete domination.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
And Yair was a strong favorite in this fight.
brendan schaub
Yair, Max Holloway?
Although he's number 10. What's up, son?
joe rogan
Let's build the guy up.
That's what I said about Coach Garbrandt.
Well, someday in the future, I think that's a legit fight.
And I think that's an interesting fight.
Because Max Holloway is a bad motherfucker.
Max Holloway is a bad motherfucker.
It's a really interesting fight.
I agree with you.
brendan schaub
Well, hey, they made Ferguson Khabib official.
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
For interim title.
unidentified
Yes.
brendan schaub
Everybody getting titles.
bryan callen
Look at how thick that dude.
Look at that guy's head.
joe rogan
Every fight now, from now on, will be an interim title.
brendan schaub
God damn it, that'd be nice.
bryan callen
Wait, Khabib, I'm sorry, they made what?
brendan schaub
Khabib Ferguson, official.
joe rogan
Yeah, but they made it as an interim title, which I don't understand.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Super confusing.
brendan schaub
It's very confusing.
joe rogan
Because Conor just won the title.
brendan schaub
See, I think this is more of a sign that Conor's going to fight Floyd next.
Because he's probably talking to Dana like, you ain't seen me anytime soon, son.
joe rogan
Or it's more of a sign that they wanted to have a pay-per-view card that was stacked with championship fights.
brendan schaub
But if you keep doing interim titles, people are like, alright, we get it.
Everyone's a fucking well champion.
joe rogan
Well, you know that Conor's about to have a baby.
His wife's about to have a baby.
Correct.
So that's going to be...
Lots of guys fight with babies, though.
Well, maybe he's not.
I mean, he's richer than lots of guys.
brendan schaub
That's true.
joe rogan
Maybe he's like, listen, I don't want to go through training camp right now.
I want to experience this.
brendan schaub
That's a legit point.
joe rogan
My first kid.
brendan schaub
Anyone who had a baby, don't go through training camp.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean...
brendan schaub
It's a fucking beast.
joe rogan
Man, how badass is Yair Rodriguez?
unidentified
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
That's the coming out party, folks.
BJ's head on his back.
brendan schaub
Is it, though, or is it a product of BJ being basically a heavy bag in there?
joe rogan
And I love BJ. It's that, but it's also...
Look, I think BJ, when he was 10 years younger, it would have been a tougher fight for Yair, for sure.
Oh.
10 years ago, BJ? For sure.
Way tougher fight.
It's still a different style.
Who fucking knows?
This is the problem, though, is that it's not just a matter of BJ being a legend, BJ being an all-time great, two-division world champion, bad motherfucker without a doubt.
But his style is a boxing-based attack and then a vicious ground-and-pound and vicious top-game submission game.
BJ is not a guy who submits guys off of his back, and BJ is not necessarily a guy who kicks that much.
So Yair, who's an outstanding kicker, one of the best kickers...
He has just this huge advantage.
You know what it's like.
If you used to do Taekwondo, if you had a guy who said, and you boxed a little bit, if you had a guy that said, hey, let's spar, you can kick, and I'll just box.
You'd be like, well, good luck with all that.
Can I kick your legs?
And he'd be like, yeah.
I'd be like, oh, well, you're going to have a terrible afternoon.
brendan schaub
Yeah, terrible.
Game over.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're fucked.
bryan callen
Didn't BJ fight...
Am I crazier?
Did he fight...
brendan schaub
Lioto Machida.
bryan callen
Lioto Machida.
unidentified
As a heavyweight.
bryan callen
That's so crazy!
As a heavyweight.
brendan schaub
It's called The Rock.
The Rock fight.
joe rogan
Rumble on the Rock.
brendan schaub
Rumble on the Rock in Hawaii.
joe rogan
No.
No.
He fought Lioto in Japan.
In Rumble on the Rock, he fought Carlos...
No, he didn't fight Carlos Condit.
brendan schaub
I thought he fought Lioto in Rumble on the Rock.
joe rogan
Who did he fight in Rumble on the Rock?
He fought Gomi.
He beat the fuck out of Gomi.
Remember he brought Gomi over to Rumble on the Rock?
Beat the shit out of him.
And strangled him.
bryan callen
He fought somebody else.
joe rogan
I think he fought in, I want to say K1. Because he fought Dwayne Ludwig in K1 as well.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I thought he fought Liotto in Rumble of the Rock.
bryan callen
That's crazy.
joe rogan
You might be right.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
Wikipedia that, Jamie.
joe rogan
What a powerful fucking tie and pocket handkerchief for Tyron Woodley.
brendan schaub
They announced him versus Wonderboy, huh?
bryan callen
I know.
I like it.
joe rogan
Him versus Wonderboy, too.
brendan schaub
When it goes to a draw, you gotta fucking do that.
joe rogan
I kind of feel like you have to.
brendan schaub
You have to.
joe rogan
Unless...
George St. Pierre comes out of retirement.
Then you make an exception.
But since George...
Oh, look at this.
Just as horrible to watch, man.
He's just taking that left kick to the head.
Oh, the wheel kick.
I mean, this is like right away, early in the fight.
He's getting staggered.
He's getting his legs kicked out.
brendan schaub
I feel like those WME boys made this matchup.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
That 360 round kick to the neck.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Jumping front kick behind it.
brendan schaub
I can't watch that shit.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
brendan schaub
I'll tell you what.
Yair Rodriguez versus Brian Ortega is a fun one.
joe rogan
Look, Yair Rodriguez versus anyone is a front one.
I mean, the kid's 24 years old.
Who the fuck knows what happens with Yair?
Yair might not even stay at 45. He might be stepping up to 55 in the next few years.
brendan schaub
He might be the Mexican Conor McGregor.
joe rogan
He might be the motherfucker.
Look at that.
Boom!
Boom!
brendan schaub
Yeah, Ortega's 45. He's ranked ahead of Yair.
He's number nine.
joe rogan
Dude, when you say BJ Penn, get rocked like that, you see his legs give out.
brendan schaub
Click on that K1 Heroes for me.
Where's that at?
joe rogan
Longest active win streak in the featherweight division, Max Holloway.
brendan schaub
Japan, Joe.
You're right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think it was K-1, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
And before that, it was Rumble on the Rocks.
joe rogan
And who did he fight in Rumble on the Rocks?
Back up a little bit there.
UFC, go down, go down.
It's way down.
Keep going.
Takanori Gomi.
He fought Takanori Gomi.
unidentified
Did he fight someone else in Rumble on the Rock, too?
brendan schaub
Gracie.
Rodrigo Gracie.
joe rogan
Oh, Rodrigo Gracie.
That's right.
And that was a decision, right?
That was kind of a boring fight, if I remember correctly.
Powerful Larry Landless referee.
bryan callen
Having seen what Conor did to Eddie Alvarez, what is your take on Alvarez, I mean, Conor, Khabib?
brendan schaub
It doesn't matter.
He has to fight Tony.
bryan callen
He's got to fight Tony.
brendan schaub
You can't just dismiss that.
bryan callen
No, you don't.
brendan schaub
That's not one like...
Phil Khabib gots this.
That's a tough fucking fight.
bryan callen
You're right.
I forgot about that.
That's very true.
joe rogan
And you can't ever use MMA math.
Here's why.
Ronda Rousey submits Kat Zingano in 14 seconds.
Kat Zingano stops Amanda Nunes in the third round.
Amanda Nunes destroys Ronda Rousey in 48 seconds.
brendan schaub
MMA math never ever works.
joe rogan
It doesn't work.
You can't base it off that.
brendan schaub
Matchup styles.
It's one-on-one.
joe rogan
It's like when you're using that translator thing that I told you about and you read things incorrectly.
bryan callen
But Ferguson is That's so unorthodox.
joe rogan
That's boss logic, right?
brendan schaub
That motherfucker is nasty.
bryan callen
He's such a badass.
joe rogan
Oh, what a great picture, man.
That guy is awesome.
brendan schaub
He's so fucking good, man.
He's the best in the game.
joe rogan
Powerful boss logic.
brendan schaub
I know.
joe rogan
Getting some shout outs.
brendan schaub
Shout out to that guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
brendan schaub
I like these artists, man.
joe rogan
John Jones versus Dylan Dennis is interesting because Dylan Dennis is way smaller than John Jones.
brendan schaub
Oh, John's like a rampage him.
Or Rona style.
joe rogan
If that really does happen.
But I think that's like a suggestion more than a signed fight.
Does John Jones have a signed grappling match?
brendan schaub
Oh, no, no, no.
joe rogan
You know what, Jamie?
unidentified
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
Dana's joking around says...
joe rogan
Excuse me?
unidentified
That was a...
Dana's thing was a fan...
joe rogan
Oh, it was fan-made by BossLogic, though.
Wasn't it made by BossLogic?
jamie vernon
Yeah, but people were just talking about that potential matchup online.
bryan callen
Dylan Dennis said he doesn't understand I would play with him.
joe rogan
What?
Dylan Dennis said that?
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
brendan schaub
Did you see what Jon Jones said?
Kid's kind of a douchebag.
joe rogan
He said that about Dennis?
brendan schaub
It looks like it.
There you go.
A douchebag.
bryan callen
Did you see what Jon Jones did to Dan Henderson in that grappling match?
joe rogan
Yeah, listen.
brendan schaub
Dan Henderson's a far cry from...
bryan callen
Oh, very very different.
joe rogan
He's also 60. Dylan Dennis is pretty elite.
brendan schaub
And there for a paycheck.
joe rogan
He's pretty elite.
But Gary Tonin worked him.
You ever see the Gary Tonin-Dylan Dennis match?
Yes.
You know, Gary Tonin's one of the best in the world.
If not the best.
He's up there.
He's up there.
He's in like the handful of very best guys in the world right now.
Crone Gracie, him, you know, Eddie.
There's a few guys.
John Jones and him, those guys, both of them, have really revolutionized the ground game with the leg lock attack, like we were talking about earlier, the John Danner.
Look at that transition again by Held.
Dylan Danner said he would submit John Jones in under eight minutes.
Jesus, he doesn't understand how much bigger John is.
brendan schaub
John would do the shop shutdown and crush his face in.
He wouldn't have a chance.
I just used myself there.
He would not have a chance to get a hold of his ankles or anything.
joe rogan
You gotta be real careful talking shit to John.
brendan schaub
To John?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Dude, he will run into a bitch breaker on Runaway and then fuck you up.
It's John Jones, son.
joe rogan
He's so much bigger.
brendan schaub
The baddest man on the planet.
joe rogan
He's about 238 when he fought Henderson in a grappling match.
brendan schaub
He's 238. He submitted Vitor Belfort.
joe rogan
With a broken arm.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
He had his elbow capsule popped.
brendan schaub
Dude.
joe rogan
In an arm barge the round before.
brendan schaub
He will take dick pills all night, stay up to 6 a.m., and fuck your world up.
It's Jon Jones, man.
joe rogan
I don't think he understands how good Jon is on the ground.
bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
And I don't think he understands how strong Jon is.
unidentified
He doesn't.
joe rogan
I think Jon will get a hold of him.
He'll be like, you ever see one of those praying mantis pick things up?
You're like, how the fuck is that?
bryan callen
He cradled.
unidentified
He cradled.
bryan callen
That'd be like a fruit fly.
brendan schaub
Just what the fuck?
joe rogan
Ryan Bader.
Have you ever seen a praying mantis kill a hummingbird?
bryan callen
No.
brendan schaub
You can't believe it.
joe rogan
They kill hummingbirds.
Oh, shut your mouth.
Why do you think I would say that unless I knew?
bryan callen
I gotta see that.
Bring it up.
joe rogan
See, unlike you.
brendan schaub
Does he rip its face off?
joe rogan
I don't talk about things unless I'm absolutely sure.
bryan callen
Whatever, dude.
Whatever.
joe rogan
Pull up.
bryan callen
I was saying notes for drama.
brendan schaub
Oh, the praying mantis is hanging out right now?
joe rogan
Praying mantis kills him.
bryan callen
Oh my god!
joe rogan
Pull that back again.
Pull that back again.
brendan schaub
It doesn't show the kill, it just shows them hanging out.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
Oh, they caught it.
But there are ones that show the kill.
For sure show the kill, Jimmy.
Watch this.
brendan schaub
Oh, look at him hanging out.
joe rogan
Right there.
brendan schaub
Go ahead and sip on in, buddy.
joe rogan
Watch this.
The hummingbird, he just waits to the right time.
It's so much smaller than a hummingbird, too, which is really fucked up about insects.
With their exoskeleton, it's so scary.
Like, look at those little skinny arms.
You're like, well, how's that skinny arm gonna fuck up a bird?
Well.
Very well.
bryan callen
You ever seen any pull-ups I can do?
unidentified
Um...
joe rogan
Yeah, but you're pulling up 18 pounds.
bryan callen
Nah, my life is very big.
joe rogan
This thing's catching a hummingbird.
brendan schaub
So is this hummingbird trying to fuck with the praying mantis?
bryan callen
No, he's trying to get some nectar.
He doesn't even know the praying mantis is there.
joe rogan
Oh, it knows it's there.
Oh, it knows, sir.
They're very aware that the threat that a praying mantis causes.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, Jamie will find one.
But there's a ton.
brendan schaub
If I don't see a death of a hummingbird, I'm a freak.
joe rogan
They hang out in front of hummingbird feeders.
They sit on hummingbird feeders.
brendan schaub
Snipers.
bryan callen
That's smart.
joe rogan
Well, the hummingbirds are too fucking stupid.
If they don't move, the hummingbirds don't see them.
Because a lot of these animals that are prey animals, like deer in particular, their vision is what's called edge detection vision.
They see movement.
They don't really see things that well.
But they see movement.
That's why, have you seen that ASAT pattern, A-S-A-T pattern for camo that First Light has?
One of the reasons why this First Light, F-I-R-S-T-L-I-T-E. You looked at me like I was a veteran hunter or some shit.
First Light's one of the reasons why their pattern is so effective is like a zebra's pattern.
Although that is disputed though.
Like a zebra pattern, they think it's camouflage.
brendan schaub
I always wonder why it's white and black.
joe rogan
Well, this is why.
The idea is that the lines break up the pattern of the body and it confuses predators when they're in...
Is it attacking a cat?
unidentified
Dude, a praying mantis eats a cat?
brendan schaub
It's my fucking hero.
joe rogan
It's defending itself.
They're so gangster, man.
Look at it.
It's just going after the cat.
The cat's like, what the fuck?
bryan callen
Jesus!
Is it stuck on the cat?
joe rogan
Yeah, it grabbed it and hung onto it and bit the fuck out of it.
brendan schaub
I'll let mine see it kill this cat.
joe rogan
No, it's not going to happen.
bryan callen
Man, how about Coyote Peterson talking about centipedes and what that venom does?
The one guy who's been bit by everything, he said, look, tarantula hawk, bullet ant, don't do the centipede.
Look at me.
joe rogan
What kind of centipede?
bryan callen
Don't do it.
It's the one actually in Arizona.
brendan schaub
Big ass red one with all the legs.
bryan callen
He said, don't let it bite you.
Why?
joe rogan
What does it do?
bryan callen
Those kill birds, too.
brendan schaub
No, he said the hardest bite's the gila monster.
bryan callen
Well, not the most painful, because it was a toxin that you have to...
joe rogan
Was this a car gets attacked by praying mantis?
Goddamn, they eat cars!
Dude, they're so ferocious.
We're so lucky they're little.
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
I put up a post today of these ants dragging away this worm.
There's 10,000 trillion ants in the world, and they represent approximately the same biomass as all the humans.
There's 7 billion people in the world, and there's 10 trillion ants.
10,000 trillion ants?
brendan schaub
I love an ant, man.
unidentified
Oh, here it goes.
joe rogan
Look at this.
See, this is like a common tactic that praying mantis do.
Look at that, bitch!
unidentified
Oh!
brendan schaub
Goddamn, grab him by the face!
bryan callen
Dude!
joe rogan
But dude, how strong are those little fuckers?
brendan schaub
Dude, he closed his beak like, get over here, bitch!
joe rogan
He just clamped his fucking Muay Thai clinch on that hummingbird's head.
Who just pecked it out?
brendan schaub
Oh, what kind of dick let him go?
joe rogan
Who did that?
brendan schaub
Oh, some fuck with the gloves on who's jacking off the hummingbirds every morning.
joe rogan
Oh, a person.
Look at this.
bryan callen
Look how fast that thing was.
joe rogan
Why did someone film this and then set that hummingbird free?
You fucking pussy.
brendan schaub
This is nature, you bitch.
joe rogan
Why are you interfering with the natural order of things?
bryan callen
Yeah, he probably hurt the praying mantis when he did that shit, too.
unidentified
Probably.
brendan schaub
Well, no, the praying mantis is starving now and probably dies.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at this.
bryan callen
That takes a lot of time.
joe rogan
He's got it clamped down.
I mean, this is an awesome catch.
You've got to let that play out.
brendan schaub
God, you know how hard that is for the praying mantis to get ahold of a fucking hummingbird?
bryan callen
Look at this.
joe rogan
This guy got in there and separates it.
brendan schaub
Oh, we need to find that guy and fucking piss on him.
joe rogan
You know what that's like?
That's like when your boy's getting his ass kicked and you jump in and start throwing kicks to the head.
brendan schaub
It really is.
joe rogan
And the guy's on top.
brendan schaub
It's dirty.
joe rogan
He's got your boy.
It's dirty.
brendan schaub
It's the ultimate cock block.
God damn it.
joe rogan
But isn't it crazy that praying mantis wait on these goddamn feeders?
brendan schaub
I had no idea.
joe rogan
Here's another one.
brendan schaub
I just thought they looked gangster.
joe rogan
He's just sitting there in his hummingbird feeder.
brendan schaub
Hey, don't they have sex and then rip the other one's heads off?
joe rogan
Do the humming...
Yeah, a praying mantis?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
The female rips the male's head off.
unidentified
Look at that, bitch!
joe rogan
Oh, no!
Watch how he gets them to this.
Hold up.
It's so crazy how they're so much smaller than these hummingbirds.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's getting him.
joe rogan
He just landed on them.
No, no, no.
He does that once, but watch the second time.
The hummingbird comes close, and he's like, nah, not today, son.
brendan schaub
He said, yeah, try that again, bitch.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Watch.
brendan schaub
He gets close to him.
joe rogan
So they know that the praying mantis is a threat.
So the praying mantis is kind of laying low.
Come on, give me this up.
brendan schaub
He's playing freeze tag.
He's playing freeze tag.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look, he comes back in.
He's like, well, I took care of that problem.
Oh, I killed him.
Don't take your eyes off.
bryan callen
Pay attention.
Be careful of that.
brendan schaub
Ass first, son.
Eat that ass.
joe rogan
Look how he hangs on and just takes him over the edge.
What a creepy animal.
Ooh, first is a spider?
brendan schaub
That's a black widow.
joe rogan
Hold on.
Is that a black widow and a praying mantis going to war?
bryan callen
Who filmed this?
joe rogan
Full screen, please.
brendan schaub
Yes, please.
joe rogan
Look at that fucking monster.
Look at what a praying mantis looks like.
Look at this.
bryan callen
That thing's a badass, dude.
Don't fuck around.
I've told you that ten times.
joe rogan
Ooh, but he's got to be careful.
brendan schaub
Look at the black widow scrapping.
joe rogan
They've got to be careful there.
bryan callen
Just burst his abdomen.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
A black widow is not a fucking weak animal either.
bryan callen
Yeah, it is.
brendan schaub
Burst his fucking abdomen.
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
bryan callen
Pop his abdomen.
It's a fucking bone.
joe rogan
One of them might have a good Muay Thai clinch, but the other one has venom.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's like B-J-E-I over here.
joe rogan
If you get bit by a black widow, you're fucked.
Imagine if a praying mantis does.
bryan callen
Look at this.
brendan schaub
Game over.
joe rogan
Sadistic fuck with this camera.
brendan schaub
Oh, first of all, this sadistic fuck set this up like a psycho.
joe rogan
This is a fight.
brendan schaub
He set it up like a psycho.
joe rogan
100%.
brendan schaub
I'm trying to see it in their natural habitat.
joe rogan
What's this?
brendan schaub
Oh, that's a hissing cockroach.
joe rogan
What happened to the fucking praying mantis?
This is like the guys waiting on deck.
unidentified
Yeah, it's tag team.
joe rogan
Let's see the fucking prank.
Oh, the spider's like, I'm out of here, yo.
bryan callen
Bug fights.
joe rogan
The spider's trying to climb the wall.
Let's see if they let him.
They might have greased up the wall with Vaseline.
brendan schaub
Oh, that's dirty.
joe rogan
Well, that's what I would do.
brendan schaub
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
If I wanted to have a fight to the death.
bryan callen
That Black Widow wants no part of that prank.
joe rogan
I would have KY-jellied the entire wall.
I'd be like, bitch, this is going down.
brendan schaub
You ain't going nowhere.
joe rogan
I have YouTube hits to get.
brendan schaub
You're forced to fight, sir.
bryan callen
When did you get, remember your piranhas?
brendan schaub
Well, I'm going to step on everybody.
bryan callen
Joe had all these piranhas, and he had a goldfish.
He had his goldfish in death row.
joe rogan
I used to feed goldfish.
I had a goldfish tank that was right next to the piranha tank, and I would scoop goldfish out of the goldfish tank and drop them into the piranha tank.
brendan schaub
The piranha would fuck them up.
Shred them.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you wait a couple of days.
brendan schaub
Just flakes.
joe rogan
But here's the thing.
You can't wait.
You got to wait two days, not four.
They die in four?
No, no, no.
They eat each other.
brendan schaub
The piranhas eat each other?
joe rogan
Oh, yes, they do.
Yes, they do.
brendan schaub
So you got to feed them every two?
joe rogan
Well, I don't remember the exact days because this is a long-ass time ago that I had them.
Before I realized it was illegal.
It's illegal?
I don't know.
I mean, this is all theoretical.
unidentified
I don't even know if I really had them.
brendan schaub
I don't think so, man.
joe rogan
You know what's really actually way better than piranhas, that's totally legal, is barracudas.
brendan schaub
What the fuck do you do with a barracuda?
joe rogan
Oh, dude, they have little barracudas, and people feed them fish.
And barracudas are ferocious little motherfuckers.
brendan schaub
They're so mean.
joe rogan
Yeah, and here's the thing about them.
Do you know what island dwarfism is?
It's like if you have an elephant that lives on an island, there'll be really small elephants.
It's really interesting.
brendan schaub
No reason to get huge.
joe rogan
But lizards, on the other hand, grow giant on islands.
That's why Komodo dragons are so big.
Komodo dragons are the largest reptiles.
Or the largest lizards?
bryan callen
Yeah, the largest lizards.
joe rogan
Crocodiles are the largest reptiles, right?
I always fuck that up.
But when they take these barracudas and they put them in a smallish, like a 500 gallon plus saltwater tank, they don't get that big.
But they stay ferocious.
unidentified
They stay small.
brendan schaub
They're mean motherfuckers.
joe rogan
Yeah, see, look at this guy's got barracudas.
brendan schaub
I like when they're all big and shit.
joe rogan
Incorrect.
Watch when these motherfuckers decide to feed.
brendan schaub
I'd slap the shit out of that barracuda.
joe rogan
Are they feeding?
unidentified
Yeah, they're eating minnows or something.
joe rogan
They're gonna jack these minnows.
There's a bunch of cool fucking, like, cichlits.
Oh, here he goes.
He's moving in.
Dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-boom!
Look at that speed he picks up.
How quickly he just jumps on that minnow and just jacks.
brendan schaub
I heard they're mean as fuck in the ocean.
Barracudas, you better watch out.
joe rogan
They'll bite your dick.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Look, he just ate that minnow.
I wonder if those minnows are freshwater minnows or saltwater minnows.
bryan callen
Well, Barracuda has saltwater.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
Do you think they threw some freshwater minnows in it?
Like, deal with it, bitch.
brendan schaub
So they're super lazy?
joe rogan
Well, they're super fucked.
Like, you're not gonna live.
brendan schaub
Can't breathe, huh?
joe rogan
Ooh, look how quickly they jack them.
brendan schaub
Goddamn, they're fast.
joe rogan
Goddamn, they jack them so fast.
brendan schaub
Did you say all muscle?
Never seen a fat fish, sir?
bryan callen
I think a dolphin swims 40 miles an hour through the water.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, you've never seen a fat fish?
You ever ordered Toro?
Toro is fatty tuna.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but you ever seen them in the water?
They don't look out of shape.
joe rogan
They're fat as fuck, bro.
brendan schaub
Nah, it's like they got Spanx on underwater.
joe rogan
No, dude, they have flip-flops on, they fucking lounge chairs.
Beer in there.
Eating cake and ice cream.
brendan schaub
I love me some fatty torah.
I'm just saying, you look at them, they look pretty fucking in shape in the water.
bryan callen
That makes me want to eat torah right now.
brendan schaub
It's not like, oh, that's an out of shape fish.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a fat fuck fish.
bryan callen
Oh, come on!
joe rogan
That fish is slender shit.
That fish is eating Twinkies.
Eating Twinkies, lazy, waiting for government housing.
Look at that.
That's a fat fucking tuna.
brendan schaub
That's a nice looking tuna.
joe rogan
Do you ever catch tuna?
brendan schaub
Me?
joe rogan
Yeah.
You ever catch fish?
No.
brendan schaub
I used to when I was young.
I used to fish all the time.
Born and raised in Denver, son.
joe rogan
We caught tuna in Hawaii.
And then, what kind of tuna?
Skipjack tuna?
Yeah.
And then brought it back to the hotel.
And the chef at the hotel cooked him up.
How fresh was that?
Oh my god, it was so good.
We ate sashimi from it.
brendan schaub
I want to go there right now.
unidentified
So good.
brendan schaub
Why don't we go three and let's get a time share in Ohio?
bryan callen
Aw, you guys!
Come on!
brendan schaub
Hey, and bring your vegan friend!
joe rogan
I got a buddy of mine.
Yeah, that guy who's your best friend.
I had a buddy of mine who bought a house.
He bought a vacation house, and then he said, if I had to do it over again, I wouldn't do it over again.
He goes, just get a fucking Airbnb.
He goes, you can rent a dope house.
Whenever you want.
He goes, if you have a house out there, you feel, like, obligated to go there.
He goes, the toilet breaks, you gotta hire somebody, the sprinkler fucks up, you gotta hire somebody.
brendan schaub
Or you own it, and then you Airbnb that bitch out and make bank.
joe rogan
Yeah, but then you gotta deal with a bunch of people farting in your house.
A bunch of people jacking off in your fucking garbage chute.
brendan schaub
Well, I'm not renting out the booger-nosed kids.
joe rogan
They're taking dumps.
brendan schaub
High-class only.
unidentified
Toilet girls.
joe rogan
What if they just lean their asshole right over your kitchen sink and just unload your shit?
unidentified
You're fired.
joe rogan
No, and then clean it.
You don't even know.
Like, you're in there.
brendan schaub
They use, like, the garbage disposal?
joe rogan
Boy, I'm so glad we're making additional income here.
You're in there.
You know what?
You're fucking...
brendan schaub
So ridiculous.
Meanwhile, they're fucking bukkake-ing my garbage.
joe rogan
Brian, when you interrupt someone, you're basically saying, I'm more important than you.
bryan callen
No, I was going to tell you, based on that, I'm shitting in a sink.
There was a gym at Marina del Reyes.
Was John Joseph there?
Nope, nope, nope.
brendan schaub
Why was he there?
joe rogan
He's your best friend.
bryan callen
Yes, in Marina Del Rey.
Remember that one?
brendan schaub
That's where my place is, my condo is.
bryan callen
There was a guy who used to shit in...
No, it was right off of Via Marina.
So this guy used to shit in the shower.
And he would take a shit in the shower.
And they knew it was him, but because they can't have cameras in the shower...
Well, where is he?
joe rogan
In a house?
bryan callen
In the gym.
joe rogan
Oh, in a gym.
brendan schaub
This is Marina City, son.
bryan callen
Marina City Club.
How'd they know?
And he would look at the guy, he would look at the main guy, who was always trying to catch him and freaking out, and he would go, have a good day.
And wink, apparently.
Now would he shit a log?
joe rogan
Did he ask him if he shit in the sink?
bryan callen
Oh, the guy would lose his mind, but they could never prove it, right?
joe rogan
So why would he think that that guy did it?
bryan callen
Well, because they 100% knew that the guy did it, because every time he'd be in there, he would disappear, and they started putting two and two together.
brendan schaub
He would leave a log.
bryan callen
And not only that, he would leave a huge log, but more importantly, he would go, have a nice day.
joe rogan
He would wink.
bryan callen
Every time he did it.
Now you can't prove that, but he got off on the fact, and at one point, the main guy, who was the manager of the gym, they had to hold him back.
Lou Perotum, the guy I used to work out with, told me this story.
They had to hold him back because he just was like, I'm fucking, I don't care if he's a customer, I'm going to beat the shit out of him.
Somebody had to clean up.
He got off on taking a shit.
In that shower.
brendan schaub
It's a weird move.
I've never seen that.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
brendan schaub
I've never seen anyone take a shoot.
bryan callen
There are a lot of people that like to do weird shit like that.
Leave their mark somewhere and be like, see ya.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's like borderline fucking serial killer behavior.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
You get real close.
Then you start torturing cats.
bryan callen
Yes.
Well, it's the idea.
I might get caught.
You know what another perversion is?
People breaking into other people's houses and jerking off in their house or in their closet.
brendan schaub
Busting loads on their clothes?
bryan callen
Yes.
brendan schaub
And then running off?
bryan callen
Yes.
brendan schaub
That's so disrespectful.
joe rogan
Well, that's when you know you're not a winner.
You're not Spider-Man.
You're not saving the world.
You're not going to be the president.
brendan schaub
No superpower.
bryan callen
Or you are.
Or you're like a high-functioning executive and you get off on the fact that you might get caught doing something sexual.
joe rogan
What high-functioning executives do you know that break into people's houses and jerk off on their shoes?
bryan callen
None.
However, apparently it is a perversion that affects a lot of people.
So you can be a lawyer or whatever, and you get off on the fact that you break into somebody's house, you're jerking out of the closet, you might get caught.
Who knows if somebody comes home, you come and you leave, you run out.
That's something that affects, no matter what your socioeconomic status is.
brendan schaub
But you don't even see the results unless you set up a camera.
bryan callen
It's the idea you might get caught.
So take a shit.
joe rogan
It's exciting for him.
So do people admit that they do this?
Is that how they find out about this or they catch them?
bryan callen
No.
So in a book called A Billion Wicked Thoughts, these guys who – neuroscience who studies sexual perversion and stuff, this is something that a lot of psychiatrists would deal with, right?
Or in people who have sexual perversions, it's a recognized thing where danger, where the idea you might get caught and doing something behind closed doors, doing something which would be outrageous – Is that from suppression?
joe rogan
When you say high-powered executives, I always think of people that are in a position where they're being forced to behave in an unnatural way and that bottles up.
brendan schaub
When they start jacking off to your Louis Vuittons.
joe rogan
They start doing weird shit.
That's a big issue with businessmen that are really powerful guys.
They like to have women shit on them and do crazy things.
brendan schaub
Or dominatrix.
Hey Jamie, someone jacks off on your Yeezys.
joe rogan
Well, there's a girl who was a dominatrix that met me and Jim Norton in Austin.
We were eating dinner after a show, and we're hanging out, and this girl, because she knew that Jimmy Norton, who's a fucking pervert and a half, is into dominatrixes, so she came over.
Did you say dominatrix is?
brendan schaub
Dominatrix.
bryan callen
Into being dominated, and he likes...
joe rogan
Yeah, but do you say is dominatrixes?
brendan schaub
He's into dominatrix.
joe rogan
Would you say a bunch of dominatrix?
brendan schaub
San Diego Wings.
joe rogan
Would you say they're like deer?
bryan callen
I don't think you can say he's into dominatrixes.
brendan schaub
No, dominatrix.
bryan callen
He's into being dominated.
joe rogan
Okay, but if you have a room full of women that work as a dominatrix, what do you have a room full of?
unidentified
Bitches.
bryan callen
You have...
Yeah, it's called dominatrix.
joe rogan
What would you call it?
I mean, has it ever been used in the plural?
I've never heard it.
Are they so rare they're never in a room together?
bryan callen
It would have to be dominatrixes.
joe rogan
Dominatrixes.
brendan schaub
So you were saying, though, Jim Norton likes to be dominant?
joe rogan
Oh, so this girl, she came over to our table?
No, he doesn't go that deep, but he's just a freak.
He's the best.
So anyway, this girl comes over and she says, I just want to introduce myself.
My name is, you know, Madam Crush Your Balls, whatever the fuck her name is.
And then, you know, we say, come on, sit down with us.
Tell us stories.
So she sits down with us.
You know, she doesn't name any names.
She's an actual real pro.
And she starts telling us about all these different guys that she shits on.
brendan schaub
Celebrities?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Mostly wealthy businessmen.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Lawyers people that have a lot of people that work under them they have power and they're also like like bent they're all fucking pressured and high strong strung out I dated I gave one of these girls who had a chair she took me to her dungeon and she had a steel chair and When you say dated, is it like you say John Joseph's your best friend?
bryan callen
Yes.
That's very good.
We had sex lots.
And she brought me to the steel chair, and you sit in the steel chair, and your balls...
brendan schaub
Not for me.
bryan callen
Your balls go through the chair.
joe rogan
When you say you, don't say you.
They say the guy.
bryan callen
Well, the guy.
Me, I was just observing.
I'm not into being dominated.
joe rogan
Your balls go through the hole?
bryan callen
She was a cutout for your balls?
Yes.
And so you'd tie your balls, you take a string, wrap it around your balls, and tie it to a chain, to a link, on the bottom of the floor.
What are we talking about here?
You're not going anywhere.
Your balls are tied.
brendan schaub
Who would get off to that?
bryan callen
Well, and then you get peed on.
brendan schaub
You did that?
bryan callen
No, I'm not into that.
joe rogan
Hey, do you want to hear Yair Rodriguez talk about this?
Not really.
Crank this volume up.
bryan callen
Nah.
joe rogan
What's he going to say?
What's he going to say?
bryan callen
He already talked about it.
joe rogan
But I want to hear what he's saying now because he's getting interviewed by Kenny Florian.
bryan callen
Let's talk about shit!
joe rogan
We will, we will.
unidentified
Shit.
I end up switching the strategy to him.
joe rogan
I went up switching the strategy to him.
unidentified
Did you believe they should have stopped to fight a tag in early?
It looked like he landed a lot of unanswered strikes.
joe rogan
Tyron Woodley making controversy.
unidentified
No, he was moving.
He was...
I actually feel like if I stop punching him God, he's good.
joe rogan
Look how quickly he steps to the side, too, once BJ goes down.
Watch, steps.
Look at that sidestep to get side control and hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer.
Who's this guy?
Is this the car rental guy?
brendan schaub
Is that him?
joe rogan
Must be.
unidentified
Of course it's possible, bro.
Okay.
bryan callen
Do you know why?
Do you know why?
brendan schaub
Let's talk about Brian and his balls kicked in.
bryan callen
Do you know where most of the shit videos come out of?
joe rogan
Germany.
bryan callen
No.
And Japan.
And do you know why?
joe rogan
Especially Germany.
Because they lost the world war and then they failed deep shame.
bryan callen
It goes back to what you were saying.
unidentified
What?
bryan callen
It goes back to what you were saying.
They're a very, very suppressed culture.
There's a very...
Disciplined, rigid.
brendan schaub
Have you ever gotten down that bunny hole?
I never have.
Oh, bro, they have masks.
bryan callen
I can't do it.
brendan schaub
And then they shit into the mask.
unidentified
What?
bryan callen
I just can't do it.
unidentified
Oh, bro.
joe rogan
One of my favorite pictures in the internet ever was from the 90s, and it was that girl, it's called, it's like Japanese bathtub girl.
The girl's in the bathtub, and she's got her asshole straight up in the air, and she's shooting a fountain of yellow diarrhea out of her asshole.
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
It's landing in her face.
brendan schaub
What are we talking about?
joe rogan
We're talking about life.
In all of its various forms.
brendan schaub
What the fuck?
joe rogan
The spectrum of behavior.
bryan callen
I know a super wealthy man.
Super wealthy.
joe rogan
Don't say his name on the air, but write it down on a piece of paper and hold it up and I'll read it out.
unidentified
Do we know him?
bryan callen
Do we know him, B? You don't know him.
brendan schaub
Does Drogon know him?
bryan callen
You know somebody who knows him.
joe rogan
Look at that picture.
That's one of the greatest pictures in the history of the internet.
bryan callen
I just can't!
God damn it!
Joe Rogan, God damn it!
joe rogan
Well, it looks like she has a mask on, too.
unidentified
Well, I don't fucking care, man!
bryan callen
That's what Will Sasso said, whatever you do, don't open my laptop.
And he put it in my dressing room, and I go, don't do that.
He goes, whatever you do, don't open my laptop and look at it.
And he was right in front of my dressing room, and I had to look, and that's what I fucking saw.
And now I saw it again.
joe rogan
I love about that picture.
She has her socks on.
bryan callen
God damn it.
joe rogan
She's classy at least.
And she's holding her toes.
brendan schaub
Because she doesn't want to slip.
joe rogan
Good form if you're like, you know, you do.
bryan callen
I forgot what I was going to say too, motherfucker.
joe rogan
I'll throw up.
bryan callen
I had something fun to say too.
God damn it.
joe rogan
Will Sasso, diarrhea.
bryan callen
Diarrhea.
joe rogan
Throw it up on my laptop.
I feel sick.
bryan callen
No, not that either.
brendan schaub
Why do they do that?
joe rogan
Why don't they do that?
brendan schaub
Why do they shit on each other?
joe rogan
Well, it's like the whole idea...
Wow, look at that.
Champion, Jose Aldo.
That seems weird to me.
brendan schaub
Doesn't make sense.
joe rogan
It seems weird to me.
And then Max Holloway, interim champion.
Like, what is going on?
When you have a champion who didn't win the title...
In a fight in the Octagon, he was awarded it after he won an interim title against Frankie Edgar, which is a beautiful performance on his part.
And then Max Holloway wears an interim.
brendan schaub
But then think about how Max Holloway got it.
I love Max Holloway and he has nine fights in a row that he won.
But then he beats Anthony Pettis, who's never fought at that weight.
joe rogan
He did fight at the weight once before.
brendan schaub
Well, fought once before Olivera.
But really not a top contender.
Really not.
joe rogan
Realistically not.
brendan schaub
And then leaves the weight class.
Now he's at 55. And then he won your belt off that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It's so fucking strange.
joe rogan
It's weird.
brendan schaub
But I love how everyone has belts.
joe rogan
Well, do you think that this is just a part of the transition between Zufa and WME and that this is going to be like this transitionary period where everything...
Powerful watch, Tyron Woodley.
Champ's got good taste in watches.
brendan schaub
Is it a Rolex?
joe rogan
It's a fat one, whatever it is.
It looks good.
But the thing being...
Look at that bad boy.
brendan schaub
It could be an Invicta.
joe rogan
But the thing is, there's obviously some sort of a transition going on.
80 people have been fired, including Goldberg.
It's a crazy time.
brendan schaub
I think they're scrambling for stars, and I think Belts brings along some sort of ratings.
I just think they're in this feeling-out period, this transition period, that they're just trying to figure it out.
And I think that's why Dana's entertaining this Conor McGregor fight, because what else would we talk about?
Name something else big going on in the UFC right now.
unidentified
Go!
joe rogan
What's interesting is, does WME, or this organization, have they really been involved in anything where the outcome is totally unpredictable like combat sports?
Because the promotion for the Holley, or excuse me, the Ronda fight, was a perfect example of something like, well we really hadn't seen it that way before.
We really hadn't seen it go 100% heavy towards the superstar, right?
100% heavy.
Usually, it's like, you know, you would see a promo piece, like, say if it's like Woodley vs.
Wonderboy, you would see Wonderboy highlights, you would see Woodley highlights, you would see ass kicking on both sides, you'd be like, holy shit, what a fight, I can't wait.
They didn't do that at all.
brendan schaub
Which scares me.
joe rogan
They did it the way they would do a movie.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
They did it the way they would promote a TV show, they did it the way they would promote a new Kiefer Sutherland series on Netflix.
brendan schaub
Where you see only the star.
joe rogan
I shouldn't say Netflix.
I should say Fox.
brendan schaub
That's what scares me because Dana White, when it comes to this, is a genius.
I don't think he would allow that to happen.
I'm just wondering how involved he is.
Without Dana, if you just have WME running it...
Fuck, man.
joe rogan
Well, it did look dope, though.
I'll tell you what, I don't agree with the fact that they ignore...
I'm a purist in a lot of ways when it comes to combat sports, and I think you have to respect the hierarchy of the champion.
I don't give a fuck who's the famous person.
This championship thing is so important.
When you have the...
If you're gonna have champions, you gotta respect the champion.
Like, whoever the fuck it is.
It's super important...
That you make a big deal out of the fact that that person's a champion.
And they made, like, almost no deal out of the fact that she was a champion.
It was this weird situation, but it was really well done in terms of, like, getting me amped up for it.
brendan schaub
It wasn't, though.
I disagree.
I disagree.
joe rogan
But for me, it was.
unidentified
For me, look, I... Because you're the one doing the fucking promo!
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no.
No, most of that was not me.
Most of that was like you open up the fucking curtain, the garage door, and you see her hitting the pads.
I had almost nothing in that.
The only thing that I said is I can't imagine she's not going to come back and be motivated or pumped up or whatever.
By the way, a lot of the stuff they use in those promos, totally out of context.
Like when I was saying that she's the best ever, there's no one even close, there's her and there's everybody else.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you said that.
joe rogan
That was a long time ago.
That was a long time ago.
unidentified
Correct.
joe rogan
I did not say that for this fight.
brendan schaub
No, you didn't say this for this fight.
I think you said that for the Betch-Cohea fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, so see, when they're making these promos, they're patching stuff.
For me, I have a problem with that, because that's not what I would say.
So you're using an old quote when she was dominating people versus a new quote post-headkick knockout, post-the emergence of Amanda Nunes after she stops Darren McMahon, versus...
What you're seeing now in this division, which is all this new blood coming up, you're seeing this division percolate and change and evolve.
And you're seeing higher-level fighters come in, like Valentina Shevchenko, like Amanda Nunes, like Holly Holm.
You're seeing all this stuff take place in front of you, seeing this change in the women's division the same way you saw a change in the men's division from 1997 to 2017. You're seeing that now take place at an accelerated pace.
In the women's division.
So who was dominant two years ago?
Like, to use a quote from two years ago is really not fair.
bryan callen
I agree.
brendan schaub
Not at all.
joe rogan
It's really not fair.
bryan callen
It's a mischaracterization.
brendan schaub
But it builds the fight up, right?
It builds the fight up, but...
joe rogan
But it's not the way to do it.
brendan schaub
I agree.
I'm a purist, too.
But the thing is, is if you understand this sport and you look at...
Let's say you want to copy the NFL. The NFL would never just focus on Tom Brady.
unidentified
Never.
brendan schaub
Because there's a good fucking chance...
Roethlisberger wins next week.
Now imagine if they just did all promos on New England.
People would be like, what the fuck is this?
joe rogan
Exactly.
brendan schaub
This is some bullshit.
Roethlisberger's fucking good, man.
joe rogan
Worse than that, you're talking about all promos that aren't the champion.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Which is worse than that, right?
Because you're talking about someone who just lost by brutal knockout.
They're getting a shot right away at the title.
And the idea is that even though they lost, they lost, but it was some bullshit.
Now she's back.
unidentified
She's back.
joe rogan
Now she's back.
brendan schaub
After 411 days, she's back.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fucking...
brendan schaub
It's just a bad business plan.
joe rogan
There was a lot of talk by people that I don't know, but I was listening to people talk about it, like I don't know who they are, executive type people, and I was like, wow, you guys have this idea of how this is going to go down.
Like, they were just super...
Super connected to this idea.
I don't know who they were.
I don't know if they're friends.
I don't know.
But there was a lot of people that were talking that had this idea that she was just going to go in and storm the castle and take back what's hers.
brendan schaub
And Merker like this.
I had a conversation with a high-up exec at a big-time corporation, and we're talking to him and I'm like, oh my, you have no idea.
joe rogan
What did he say to you?
brendan schaub
We were talking about Conor and Ronda, and he goes, listen, Ronda had that one hiccup.
She will never lose again.
I'm like, that's not true, man.
unidentified
What?
brendan schaub
He goes, no, no, no.
She would never lose again.
And he goes, and Conor, not a chance.
I'm like, what are you talking about?
joe rogan
Dude, these people were talking backstage.
brendan schaub
The MMA gods are like, excuse me?
joe rogan
These people were talking backstage, and one of them didn't know Nunes' name.
And they were calling her cannon fodder.
bryan callen
Oh, boy.
It's just ignorance.
They don't know anything.
joe rogan
Who knows who these people are?
They could be...
I mean, I don't know who they were.
They could be people who are friends of people who know some people that work at William Morris and they're backstage dressed in fucking $2,000 suits and they look classy.
Who knows?
I don't know.
brendan schaub
William Morris, they shouldn't be doing anything without going through Dana White first.
They should not be doing anything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
It's been in the game way too long for you guys to make any decisions without having some sort of influence from a guy who's come from the ground up from it.
Going, you can't do that.
Listen, our fan base is going to yell bullshit on this man.
And if Ronda doesn't win, we're going to get fucking reamed.
bryan callen
Calling her cannon fodder, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was the word that someone used.
Do you think that at this stage that there should be some sort of clearly established protocol as far as who fights who and why?
brendan schaub
You have to.
Otherwise, you're no different than the WWE. Then people won't take a lot of the interim titles and the championship fights serious.
joe rogan
Here's my argument against that.
Dan Henderson and Michael Bisping.
I wanted to see that fight.
It was crazy.
Goddamn time!
brendan schaub
That's because we love Dan.
I agree.
joe rogan
I love Dan and I love Mike.
And I know Mike wanted it back.
He finally got the title.
He's like, fuck this.
brendan schaub
I know, Joe.
It doesn't work like that, though.
joe rogan
That guy knocked me out.
He's got his fucking picture of him flying through the air, punching me in the head while I'm out cold.
Everybody knows what that logo is.
He's like, fuck this.
Fuck him.
brendan schaub
And he landed it twice on him in the fight.
No, don't get me wrong.
It might be the fight of the year.
It's up there.
But I think you have to have some sort of structure where people can see what's going on.
Exemptions.
joe rogan
Maybe it's like a USADA exemption.
brendan schaub
Yeah, maybe you have an exemption.
joe rogan
From Brock Lesnar, how he got away with that four month.
unidentified
You get one a year.
bryan callen
The problem is if you do that, you're right, you miss out on those really fun kind of revenge fights.
joe rogan
Yes!
brendan schaub
But then you can't say, oh, we want to be the next NFL, NBA. Let me ask you this.
joe rogan
Do you think, I mean, outside of promoting...
See, the thing is, it's weird.
It's like, are you a sport where someone has a very clear...
You know, like the World Series.
Someone can't lose a game and then all of a sudden be in the World Series, right?
It's just like there's a protocol.
You have to go through that protocol.
brendan schaub
Some game series, yeah.
joe rogan
But do you think that there's a possibility, like, you could have something like that, some established setup, but then they could throw it to the internet for, like, a wild card?
brendan schaub
You can't have that.
You cannot have that.
joe rogan
Every now and then.
brendan schaub
You can't have that.
joe rogan
Maybe the UFC gets three wild cards a year.
bryan callen
Oh, God.
brendan schaub
Oh my God.
bryan callen
The problem is the people that would answer that thing.
But here's the other thing.
joe rogan
I wonder if in MMA, young Jamie's shaking his head.
No, no, no.
brendan schaub
It's crazy, Jamie.
bryan callen
Try that.
How important is...
brendan schaub
Voting for the all-star teams and shit.
joe rogan
That's how Yao Ming is the number one vote hitter every year.
brendan schaub
Every year.
bryan callen
Why?
joe rogan
Is it because Chinese people is more of him?
unidentified
Well, technically, yes.
bryan callen
But let me ask you this.
joe rogan
Do they do it online?
Is that what they do?
jamie vernon
There's a guy right now that's the number one forward for the Warriors, but no one knows even how to say his name.
joe rogan
Is he from China?
jamie vernon
No, his name is Zsa Zsa Pachulia, but he's the leading vote-getter.
brendan schaub
Where's he from?
He was good.
joe rogan
I have no idea.
Zsa Zsa, I don't know.
unidentified
Lithuania, maybe?
bryan callen
But let me ask you this question about MMA. Michiro, to your point.
Here's a question.
brendan schaub
Seattle Mariners.
bryan callen
Do you think, I wonder about MMA, whether being champion in most of the divisions is even that important to the fans?
In other words...
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah.
bryan callen
No, hold on.
What's important to people is Conor McGregor, right?
Ronda Rousey.
There's something colorful about them.
Complicated people.
Somebody who speaks well.
So we watch those guys.
But I'm not so sure that because Michael Bisbing is champion that his viewership goes up as a result.
brendan schaub
Oh, it does, for sure.
It's clinically proven it does.
joe rogan
Terrible point, sir.
Terrible point.
brendan schaub
Terrible point.
And you know what?
I need you to take a break after that.
To your point, you...
You can say Ronda was the biggest, but Ronda was a different force, and the reason she got so big is because she was champion.
If Ronda was never champion, we're not even talking about it.
joe rogan
But also, what she did to indulge that whole popularity thing was very different than Conor's approach.
If Conor had decided to take that exact same approach and go do a ton of movies, He'd go do a ton of talk shows and go do a ton of commercials from Budweiser's and Entourage and all this different shit.
If he started doing that same shit, his star would rise proportionately to where her star rose and his performances inside the Octagon would suffer proportionately to where hers did.
brendan schaub
And he didn't do it and he's still bigger.
joe rogan
We were talking about that guy that did that interview.
He's a sports guy and he was talking about...
No, no, the other guy, the black guy who was with him.
brendan schaub
Shannon Sharp.
joe rogan
Is that his name?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he had a great point.
Shannon Sharp had a great point.
And he said, Ronda cheated on MMA. He said, you've got to be all in.
He goes, you can't go and do a bunch of other shit and think you're just so much better than everybody else that it's never going to catch up to you.
brendan schaub
It comes from another one percenter athlete who knows and who's had all this kind of temptation.
And Shannon Sharp stuck to the game plan.
joe rogan
Cheated on MMA. And when he said it, I was like, this guy's dead right.
bryan callen
I think the business model, though, the only problem with the business model is that with MMA, it's really hard to invest in the champion because of the nature of the sport.
The belt will change.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're investing for one fight, Brian.
bryan callen
But still, the belt changes all the time.
joe rogan
But you're not investing in the champion.
You're investing in the organization and the fact that they have the best fighters in the world.
What you're doing with each fight is promoting a fight.
What I'm saying is that you have to respect the hierarchy of the championship above all.
The champion is the champion.
And if you don't respect the hierarchy of the champion, if you're somehow or another saying that this champion ain't shit, unless this champion is fighting Mike fucking Tyson when Tyson was 20 years old and just smashing everybody and you knew, oh my god, this is going to be the youngest ever.
Right.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But that's not the case here.
You know, you're talking about an insanely, like in that particular Ronda Rousey fight, an insanely dangerous champion.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who just smashed Misa Tate.
brendan schaub
And you're talking about an X factor.
We're like, we really don't know what we're going to get.
Let's hope for the best and put all the money into it.
That's fucking insane!
joe rogan
But also, you have an insanely marketable champion.
First of all, the first ever openly gay women's MMA champion and man's We should have never been an openly gay MMA champion.
So you have the whole LGBTQ, whatever they are now, A? Is there an name there?
bryan callen
It's about 8% of the population.
joe rogan
But still, you've got a leader for them.
But you have also a bunch of people that respect that and are progressive people that say, hey, this is great.
Like, look, it shows how diverse the UFC is.
bryan callen
Sure.
brendan schaub
And her story's amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah, and the stupid shit that Meryl Streep said the other day, like, one of the reasons why she probably said it is because she's seeing Ronda Rousey's face plastered all over the place, and she's saying, hey, you know, you take foreigners out of Hollywood, you're going to be left with football and MMA. She doesn't understand that MMA, like you saw tonight with Yair Rodriguez, is 80% foreigners.
She's so wrong about that.
brendan schaub
And that's also art.
That jumping, spinning back kick would be art.
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
You tell me that 360 round kick that he fucking landed.
bryan callen
It's just like dance, but harder.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
bryan callen
Because you've got to hit somebody with it.
joe rogan
Yes, it's just like rhythmic gymnastics.
bryan callen
Hell yes.
brendan schaub
She just doesn't know.
She's uneducated.
joe rogan
I mean, if dance is an art, then gymnastics in competition is also an art, because it's very similar.
It's just under more pressure, right?
So if gymnastics is an art, how the fuck is...
How are 360 round kicks not...
Oh, shit.
That guy on the ground is a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Hey, it's weird she used her Lifetime Achievement Award to talk shit about MMA and football.
bryan callen
Well, I think she was making a clumsy, larger point, but...
joe rogan
Yes.
brendan schaub
For sure, celebrate what you...
joe rogan
Oh, did Nina and Sarov get caught?
unidentified
That was not the time.
joe rogan
No, Nina and Sarov won.
Whoa.
Rear naked.
Round three.
That's Amanda Nunez's girlfriend.
unidentified
Holla!
brendan schaub
Yeah, holla!
joe rogan
Get some.
brendan schaub
Red panty night!
joe rogan
Get some.
brendan schaub
Red panty night, sir.
joe rogan
Get some.
bryan callen
That is an awesome story, huh?
joe rogan
Listen, man, she's a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Amanda Nunez?
joe rogan
Yeah, I guess she is a motherfucker.
brendan schaub
She's a motherfucker.
Yeah, she's a motherfucker.
joe rogan
She's a fucking world champion, man.
A legit champion.
brendan schaub
She'd be tough to beat.
bryan callen
Who's her biggest challenge, do you think?
joe rogan
She's got a lot of big challenges.
Shevchenko's a good challenge, and so is Juliana Pena.
Whoever wins that fight steps up and emerges.
brendan schaub
Outside that, though.
joe rogan
Well listen, Holly and whoever the fuck wins that fight versus Holly and Jermaine Durandame, it's a very interesting fight because if Shevchenko, you've got Jermaine Durandame, and you've got Holly Holm.
Those are three super advanced strikers that could wind up facing Amanda Nunes.
brendan schaub
All very interesting.
I don't think Nunes can jump to 45 right now and vacate the back 35. Fuck yes she can.
joe rogan
Do whatever the fuck you want to do.
brendan schaub
Just pure chaos.
unidentified
Chaos!
brendan schaub
Hey, I got an idea.
What the fuck is...
joe rogan
And here's the dark horse.
Kat Zingano.
Kat Zingano beat Amanda Nunes, and she stopped her.
brendan schaub
She's not active enough.
She's not even in the conversation.
She's not active enough.
joe rogan
She ramps it up.
She ramps it up.
She's still in the heat.
brendan schaub
Let's get ramped up, then.
I love you, Kat.
Let's get ramped the fuck up, then.
joe rogan
She's a badass.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
I like it.
There's a lot going on, man.
brendan schaub
So then Amanda just...
Vacates that belt or two-time champ champ champ.
joe rogan
She becomes champ champ.
Female champ champ.
First female champ champ.
unidentified
Fuck's sakes.
brendan schaub
And then CM Punk's headlining a fucking pay-per-view.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
I think Amanda has the one quality that I think that everybody wants to see and she has the ability to stop women.
I mean fucking stop them.
The way she stopped Sarah.
The way she stopped Misha.
She smashes people and then she jerks them.
brendan schaub
She's murked two legends.
bryan callen
She feels like she seems like a...
She's faster.
She seems just generally more explosive than every female by far.
joe rogan
She's very long.
Cyborg's a hundred pounds heavier than her.
Cyborg's so big.
Cyborg's not 235. She's a building with feet.
brendan schaub
She's the same lawyer as John Jones in Lesnar.
You see that?
Them motherfuckers nasty.
joe rogan
Who's the lawyer?
unidentified
Nasty.
brendan schaub
Whoever got OJ off?
bryan callen
Nasty.
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
No, I don't know.
unidentified
They gotta hire some powerful shit, though.
brendan schaub
She hired Johnny Cochran.
joe rogan
Oh, he's dead.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
I think that, you know, look, she's...
Obviously, she's got a real problem, but I don't even think she really is a 145-er.
I think Cyborg's a 155-er.
brendan schaub
I wouldn't say 185-er.
joe rogan
I mean, that's what she's probably walking around at.
But if she, right now, decided to fight whatever her natural weight is...
We've been pushing this for a while.
I think that's the future.
I think the future is you show up.
brendan schaub
God, are we going back to this?
joe rogan
You show up at people's camps randomly, just the same way you're doing your SATA test.
You do it for fucking six months.
You test them.
You find out what they actually fucking weigh.
What do you weigh?
What do you weigh when you're training?
You never know when they're coming, so you have to stay light.
And you have to find out, oh, look, Brian Callen, you're 175. That's what you weigh.
Not 145, you're 175. That's what you fight at.
And so you have an obligation to get to your lowest body fat, and you know that the UFC is coming knocking on your door with weight tests before you train.
Well, no one's gonna know.
No one's gonna know when this happens and then you sit it down and you blow up the fucking champions.
You blow up the whole thing and you start from scratch.
brendan schaub
You have 37 champions.
unidentified
You have a world series of champions!
brendan schaub
Everyone's a champ.
joe rogan
Every 10 pounds.
Every 10 pounds.
You have the opportunity to lose some body fat.
unidentified
You know what?
brendan schaub
That's what they're doing now though.
Look at all these interim belts.
They might as well do it.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
This is different.
brendan schaub
No, I'm just saying everyone's getting a belt.
Might as well fucking have 10 pounds.
joe rogan
Not everyone's getting a belt.
There's a couple of belts thrown around.
Tony Ferguson.
Tony Henderson and Kalabib.
I think Ferguson and Habib is such a good fight.
brendan schaub
Best fight of the year so far.
joe rogan
I don't care.
brendan schaub
I need it five rounds.
I'll give a fuck how many belts are in line.
joe rogan
Oh, he fucked up Victor Peska.
Look, he was doing it from a standing position.
Oh, look at that.
So he went for it earlier.
And then Peska gets on top.
And so he wraps his arm around, and then he lets Pesker mount him.
He doesn't even try to stop the mount.
And he just sinks it in from the bottom.
bryan callen
He's putting a karate, his hand is in a karate chop like that?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Very interesting.
brendan schaub
First Ezekiel choke finish in UFC history.
joe rogan
And he did it from being mounted.
bryan callen
He's a hard-looking man.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
That is so incredible.
I feel like, otherwise, you're just going to keep doing the same thing over there.
How much is Tyrone over the way right now?
Tell you what, it's not 170!
brendan schaub
Fuck no.
What's he, every bit of 200 shredded?
joe rogan
He's huge.
He's not tall, but he's fucking huge.
brendan schaub
Hey, real quick, that Todd Grissom said me and him have the same haircut.
I beg to differ, sir.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter.
brendan schaub
It is not the same.
That's the first time I've seen this haircut.
joe rogan
They're going over the submission.
Really fascinating.
I wonder if other people are going to try to pull this off.
brendan schaub
Oh, that's tough to pull off.
joe rogan
Obviously he's got it down, Pat.
So he gets this.
brendan schaub
That's some Russian shit.
joe rogan
And the other guy's fucking punched him in the head here.
brendan schaub
And he lets him pass and he forces him to stay there.
joe rogan
Incredible.
brendan schaub
He grapevined his legs from the outside.
joe rogan
Yep.
Yep.
Crazy.
He's kind of holding on to him.
He's trying to create space or something.
It's interesting that he doesn't get this in.
brendan schaub
I wonder if he were to pass, does it relieve...
joe rogan
Right, right, right.
brendan schaub
We'd have to fuck with it after this.
joe rogan
Well, you'd have to go, like, knee to belly, maybe?
I don't know.
brendan schaub
Is it more pressure?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, knee to belly, if you go knee to belly from there, say if you pass, instead of mount, instead if you, like, go to one side.
You know, Eddie Bravo doesn't mount anymore.
We were having this discussion about this.
I think it was on the podcast.
brendan schaub
It was on here, and you're saying because he got submitted from there, so now he just does knee to belly.
joe rogan
Well, so many people are so good at that now, guys with a lot of leg dexterity and flexibility, and they throw those legs up on the top.
brendan schaub
But they also go for the ankle lock.
joe rogan
And they're so tight with that, especially like, you know, Eddie rolls a lot of times with either gi pants on or with tights, with spats.
And so if you got those rash guards on, man, it creates a lot of friction.
brendan schaub
Different game.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's one of the reasons why a lot of the real high-level leg lock guys, you see Gary Tonin, you see Eddie Cummins, they wear shorts.
That's right.
Yeah.
Which is really even more impressive that you can catch those things, because that was part of the reason why a lot of guys like Aoki would wear those crazy tights, was for that extra traction.
brendan schaub
He was known for him, too.
Yeah, that was awesome.
unidentified
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Then when he took him off, it wasn't shit.
If you think about it.
bryan callen
Shit.
brendan schaub
He took him off and got his ass on.
bryan callen
Shit.
brendan schaub
Got his ass whooped.
joe rogan
He had to deal with elbows, too, right?
brendan schaub
Yeah, either way, he got his ass whooped.
joe rogan
You got a spot somewhere?
bryan callen
I'm going to have to go home and see my wife.
joe rogan
Oh.
brendan schaub
She didn't get reason, sir.
joe rogan
Where you going, bro?
bryan callen
Just trying to watch.
joe rogan
Sling some dick?
Yeah.
All right.
bryan callen
Sling some dick to the wife.
I'm a gift to my peace.
joe rogan
All right.
bryan callen
Honey, you just earned this.
I'm 49. We wrap this up.
joe rogan
It's 10 past 10. This is a fun podcast.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah.
Yeah, guys.
We actually talked some fighting.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
We did.
I'm proud of you guys.
We definitely talked the main fight.
bryan callen
And I want you guys to keep this image in mind.
The rich guy I was talking about would get in a canister.
A big fucking canister and have girls fart.
brendan schaub
Hey, fight the kids live!
joe rogan
This week, Seattle, Vancouver, Portland.
Go see these guys.
T-Fact K this week.
And make sure you shit on Brian about John Joseph.
John!
bryan callen
John, tweet out!
Tweet for me, Johnny!
joe rogan
I'm sure you know him.
I'm sure.
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