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Joe Rogan Experience #896 - CES Review with Young Jamie
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unidentified
Yee-haw!
joe rogan
Ladies and gentlemen, it's the CES Wrap-Up with Young Jamie.
jamie vernon
Hey!
joe rogan
Hey!
So you decided to go to the Consumer Electronics Show, this big gigantic expo that they have in Vegas every year.
It's like the show for new computer gadgetry.
jamie vernon
Yeah, everything.
Anything you'd see at like a Fry's or Best Buy, from all the way down to anything that would be in a car, anything in a kitchen, anything in a bedroom, anything consumer electronics, basically.
joe rogan
So the show is essentially everything that's coming out, all the stuff that's on its way out?
jamie vernon
Things that have just been announced, I think, and then I think most of the stuff that's supposed to be coming out for sale this year.
joe rogan
Okay, so some of it is, we were just about to get into it, but we're like, God, you gotta save it for the podcast.
You were saying that some of it, you think they're kind of bullshitting?
jamie vernon
I saw a lot of things that I just, they might not be ready, or they're prototypes.
And just like at a car show, too, there are some things that are just showing you, like, this is what we can do right now.
This isn't even what's going to be available.
This is what we can do.
Maybe if there's a lot of interest, we'll make it.
For instance, there was this really cool laptop that has three screens on it now.
So it's a gaming laptop that you can get some sort of crazy, but they were just prototypes too, and two of them just got stolen last night or two days ago after the event, so they're trying to get them taken back.
joe rogan
They stole prototypes?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I don't know how that could have even happened.
joe rogan
Oh, how gross.
How gross to think that some nerds are thieves.
jamie vernon
I know.
joe rogan
Wouldn't you like to think that whoever you have to be to be an innovator in technology and electronics, you would have to be some super fucking smart guy.
You would think you'd just leave every room open with people like that.
Wouldn't you like to think that?
jamie vernon
Yeah, for sure you'd like to, but it's a cunning world.
joe rogan
I know, buddy.
That's fucking crazy.
Dude, I'm balls deep into House of Cards right now.
First season.
Apparently, I didn't know there were so many seasons.
unidentified
It started in 2012. Yeah, it was three seasons, I think.
joe rogan
That's it?
jamie vernon
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
So did they take a long time to make a season?
jamie vernon
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, I think they completed it, and then they shot the whole thing, then wrote it again.
Fuck.
joe rogan
It's a good goddamn show, dude.
jamie vernon
I don't want to spoil it, Archie, anything.
joe rogan
Don't you dare!
You son of a...
How many episodes are there, do you think?
jamie vernon
It's probably 11 or 12 in each one, so 35-ish, 36. Goddamn, it's a good show.
joe rogan
That Kevin Spacey's a motherfucker.
unidentified
Woo!
jamie vernon
Yeah, ups and downs.
Don't you tell me nothing!
joe rogan
Don't you tell me nothing!
It's the dumbest shit ever is discussing a show.
You know, like today, in this day and age, it's not like you could talk about Lost because it was just on the air.
When we were watching Lost, that's how recent this DVR thing and this streaming thing has become.
When we were watching Lost, that wasn't that long ago, man.
And everybody waited until it came on the next week.
And you could DVR it, but you didn't binge watch.
jamie vernon
They even did things weird where they would show three episodes and then take a four-week break and then show two more and then take another break.
Do you remember how that would work?
And then I think the writer's strike happened in the middle of it, too, so there was a longer...
There was a little gap, too.
joe rogan
I think I came into Lost...
I think I got the DVD of like the second, like when the second season was out of the first season.
I think that's how I got into it.
I'm kind of trying to remember now.
I really enjoyed it up until the end, but I'll never forget this one moment.
There was this one moment where they were all standing around this pond.
And it was like some pond that like brings you back to life or some shit like that.
And they were like...
I don't remember what the scene was, but it was something insane.
And they're sitting there with their arms crossed, like, waiting for their turn to talk.
Like, the scene was so flat and fake.
I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute.
You guys are in front of a magical lake right now.
You're not freaking out.
Like, this is how you respond?
You're just standing there with your arms crossed?
Like, yep, just another magic lake.
Whatever the fuck it was.
I was like, I can't do this anymore.
I can't do it anymore.
Plus, they killed Charlie.
Once they killed Charlie, I was super bummed out.
jamie vernon
That's such a sad day.
That's probably the best episode of the whole show.
joe rogan
God.
jamie vernon
They tied everything together.
joe rogan
What a great show that was.
Up until the end.
In the end, I was like, okay, we're good.
This just happens with shows, right?
It's like relationships sometimes.
Just like, okay, it was great in the beginning.
Enough.
Enough fucking zombies.
Enough this.
Enough ogres.
Enough that.
jamie vernon
That's kind of how I am with Game of Thrones.
No offense to those.
joe rogan
How dare you?
jamie vernon
Well, it's enough of the dragons and all that.
unidentified
Don't shut your mouth.
joe rogan
That's the one I haven't lost any enthusiasm for.
But I gotta tell you, Westworld was so good, I got sucked in so quick, and the possibilities are so fascinating.
Because their timeline jumping, and it's really interesting to me.
jamie vernon
They weren't up for many Golden Globes on that, but HBO didn't win anything, and I only remember seeing one or two Westworld people even up for anything.
It was kind of shitty.
joe rogan
Maybe they missed the nomination date.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
How could you not nominate that show?
jamie vernon
That was awesome.
joe rogan
Fuck, that show was good.
That's crazy.
Well, it just shows you, if that is the case, maybe it's just there's a lot of other shows that are even more awesome that we're just not aware of yet.
This seems like the golden age for TV shows.
It really does.
jamie vernon
Yeah, the show that won I hadn't heard is called The Night Manager.
That won Hugh Laurie, who used to be House.
He won an award for that.
And the other guy, Tom Hiddleston, won another award.
joe rogan
Somebody was just telling me about that.
jamie vernon
It was like a short six, seven episodes, I think.
joe rogan
It's a Netflix thing, right?
jamie vernon
It might be on Netflix now, but I think it was on something else originally.
joe rogan
See, this is an amazing time for television.
Think about all the great shows.
I haven't seen the OA yet, but I keep hearing that's amazing.
jamie vernon
I've heard that's good, too.
joe rogan
It's supposed to be...
I don't even want to say what it's supposed to be.
You're not even supposed to know too much about it before you watch it.
That's like the best way to do these.
jamie vernon
It's for sure a good way to go.
joe rogan
Like Stranger Things.
I didn't know shit about Stranger Things until I jumped in.
Didn't know a goddamn thing.
jamie vernon
I still haven't hit play on it yet.
joe rogan
Fuck, it's good, dude.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's good.
It's good.
Don't let Red Band steer you wrong.
He doesn't like it.
jamie vernon
You just see a tweet sometimes that just seeps in your head.
I don't know what it is about the day you see it or the timing.
You're just like, fuck that show.
You're just like, I've never seen it.
I don't care.
It probably would have been awesome if you hit play, but somebody says it's the first thing you heard about it and now you're fucked.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
And then you're like, well, sometimes you watch it and you're surprised.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I don't even know how often that happens when you're surprised on something you see.
joe rogan
It's so hard to tell because people's tastes vary so much.
It's almost like they're watching something different than you.
Who you are, like, as a person, your life experiences, and what that show means to you when you're watching it, it's so different for all of us.
Like, for each one of us, it's different.
That's what's weird about television.
It's what's weird about books and music and comedy and pretty much everything.
There's not one universal awesome thing.
There's some shit that, like, everybody goes, God damn, it's good, no matter what you like.
Like Michael Jackson in his prime.
I remember there was this radio station in Boston.
It was, I think, I'm pretty sure it was WBCN. It was either WBCN or WCOZ. Those are like the two rock stations.
COZ was a little harder.
If you were a COZ person, you were like a little bit more into like Metallica, a little harder.
COZ! Yeah, and BCN, I'm pretty sure it was BCN, they played a Michael Jackson song.
And that was back when DJs could just play music.
It was a different world.
They could just play whatever they wanted to.
Because if you were a DJ right now and you had a bunch of records, and you had an internet radio station, if they let you do it, I don't think you can, but if they did let you do it, you just play those records and play whatever the fuck you want.
That doesn't exist anymore!
It doesn't exist.
So this dude, I wish I could remember who it was, just started playing this Michael Jackson song.
He goes, I don't care what you like, this is great music.
jamie vernon
You don't remember the song though?
joe rogan
Pretty sure it was Billie Jean.
I'm pretty sure it was Billie Jean.
Wasn't that all off of Thriller?
Was Billie Jean on Thriller too?
It's hard, I think, for people today because there's so many superstars.
There's so many different venues.
I mean, there's people that are superstars just from the internet.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it was on Thriller.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's hard for people, I think, today.
I think there's a much, much larger number of celebrities and of super celebrities.
You know, of Beyonce's and Jay-Z's and Kanye West's.
There's so many of those now that it kind of...
I don't think we can appreciate today what it was like when Michael Jackson was in his heyday.
Because there was like...
There was one...
It was one guy.
It was one guy that just...
unidentified
Boom!
joe rogan
There was no one like Michael Jackson.
One guy who had so much impact on the culture.
People were wearing those stupid jackets everywhere and dancing that way.
I mean, Corey Feldman.
Remember Corey Feldman and Corey Haim?
The two of them would go out and they were buddies with Michael Jackson so they would dress like him.
It was a serious trend, man.
People wanted, there was that trend and there was the other one with the hat.
Smooth criminal, there was a little bit of that.
jamie vernon
Did people wear one glove?
joe rogan
Oh fuck yeah they did, yeah.
It's hard, I think it's hard for us to appreciate how crazy that was with no internet.
Just television stations and radio stations.
And much less people on the planet.
That's even weirder.
What do we have, like a hundred million more people than when I was a kid?
Like what was the, find out what the population was in 1980 in the United States.
Because that would have been when I was like 13. Because I was in high school in 81. 226.5 million.
Dude, there's 100 million more people here now.
100 million more people here than when I was a kid.
That's fucking bananas.
Wow.
That's an insane number.
I mean, that's really hard to imagine.
It's really hard to imagine.
You stop and think about what that means for another 30 or 40 years.
If it's going to go up another 100 million, where are we going to put all these fucking people?
I mean, they say that it peaks off though.
When cities and countries start doing better because then they start having less children because their economic situation turns up and then a lot of women get careers and they're more reluctant to give up those careers to have children and they have less children when they do have children.
And so they think that if you looked at, like, the trends towards urbanization, there could potentially be a time in the future where we worried about a decline in population, like a natural decline.
But that sounds like horseshit to me.
jamie vernon
I've heard that too, I feel like.
joe rogan
Doesn't that sound horseshit?
jamie vernon
I feel like I've heard it that it's happening now, that it's not, that we've almost, not peaked, but it's on a decline in some places for sure, I think I've read.
joe rogan
I think people are just moving out of those spots and coming here.
I think it's crazy.
It's obvious there's more people now than ever.
It's a trend.
It's a hundred million trend in the last, whatever it was, 30 plus years.
jamie vernon
I wish I was trying to pull it up right now.
I just saw an article yesterday maybe about how many houses are needed in Los Angeles to keep up with the housing required.
It's like 100,000 houses a year.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
They have to build 100,000 houses a year?
jamie vernon
Yeah, and that's like, that's silly.
unidentified
Oh my god, that's insane.
jamie vernon
There's no room.
joe rogan
I did this thing before my Showtime special in 2005. Where I was comparing like mountains and lakes and rivers to what you see when you see a city, how it looks like a growth.
And then it's like a lot of other growths.
Like even if you burn it, like you got to burn it all off.
Otherwise it just comes back and it gets bigger and stronger.
And if you could look at it as something, if you were outside of Our understandings and our knowledge of what cities are and people and languages and communities and cultures.
If you could look past all that, you'd look at these things that are growing on this planet.
You'd look at this concrete, weird fucking growth.
And when you break it down, if that's a real number, if we need 100,000 houses a year, I saw this picture.
jamie vernon
This was on Reddit yesterday, or the other day.
This is a 60 square foot flat, it says, in Hong Kong, I believe.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
It's basically people...
I don't know how many...
This is two people living in here, it looks like at least two.
This is like a closet.
joe rogan
It's a tiny closet.
Everything's in there.
The tiny little refrigerator, tiny little sink.
This is crazy.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
They're sleeping on bunk beds.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just, this is not good for people.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why would people choose to do, like, if you, if you weren't a person and you were looking at this, you'd be like, why don't they spread out?
Why don't they spread out?
What are they doing to themselves?
Do they like it like this?
Do they have to be there?
jamie vernon
Do they have to be, like, family that keeps them there?
In the city?
Or, like, keep them from moving to another city?
joe rogan
I've never been to Hong Kong, so we can only speculate, but I think the population in Hong Kong is fucking bananas.
jamie vernon
True.
joe rogan
Right?
There's just too many fucking people.
I don't know, man.
It weirds me out.
When you look at people like a mathematical thing, don't just look at them like, you know, hey, that's my friend Jamie.
You know, hey, that's this guy.
And I know that guy.
Oh, that guy's cool.
Instead of that, just look at it like math.
Just look at the sheer volume.
And watch it as it multiplies and continues to multiply.
And that one multiplies and it keeps going and going.
And then the people move here and multiply.
And it's all multiplication.
Yeah.
We're not planning this out at all.
We're just stacking up fucking houses.
It's going to get to a point where there's nothing else but houses.
If we keep going, I don't understand why people think that that's totally sustainable.
unidentified
By the way, it's coming from someone with three kids, so I should probably shut the fuck up.
jamie vernon
Have you gotten further into Black Mirror yet?
joe rogan
No, just two episodes.
I just did two.
I will watch more, but I really enjoyed the memory one.
That was the one you kept telling me to see.
jamie vernon
They're all really good.
joe rogan
Well, they had an awesome take on it, too.
I don't want to spoiler alert anybody, but they...
They were able to record their memories.
We've been talking about that for years.
I think a lot of people have been talking about that.
It's a pretty obvious transition between being able to record memories with your phone, which is essentially what a phone does.
When you're taking photos and videos and stuff from your phone, you're recording memories.
And how long before it's somewhere where you can play it on your brain.
You can see it in your head.
unidentified
We think that...
joe rogan
I would love to see if there's a way that they can even take photos that way.
Because I know they can transfer images.
They can transfer, like, an image into someone's mind now, like very simple, like a triangle, and you see a triangle.
Isn't that the latest?
jamie vernon
Sort of.
I mean, it's still the...
I know what you're talking about.
joe rogan
Yeah, and there was one where they were able to transmit a word through the internet, right?
Right.
jamie vernon
Yep.
It was more like a one and zero thing.
It was like an on or off, like are you feeling it or are you not kind of thing.
joe rogan
That's what it was?
jamie vernon
I think.
joe rogan
I thought it was an actual word.
jamie vernon
They might have gotten to what a word was spelled out.
They might have spelled out the word.
joe rogan
I don't think it was a spelled out thing.
I wish I could remember the explanation they gave for it.
But I think it was like what that word represents.
You know, like so the intent of that word...
And, like, so the person on the other side, like, knew the word, like, no, or knew the word not, or whatever the word was.
jamie vernon
It says they were able to send the words hola and chow from India to France, and subjects saw messages of flashes of light in the peripheral vision.
joe rogan
The results described as a remarkable step in human communication.
Woo!
That is fucking crazy.
They're sending messages through the internet.
They were able to send the words.
Scroll up a little bit back where they were.
They were able to send the words, Olan Chow, from a location in India to a location in France.
Transmitted signals directly.
Wow, this is nuts.
It's just hard to imagine...
How far that could go.
You know, if they can do that now.
What I've been thinking, this sounds like total bananas, but I've really been thinking a lot about it lately, is that, you know, the internet kind of allows everybody to communicate together.
You can have your Twitter account and your Facebook and all that jazz.
I feel like what's going to happen with this kind of technology and this sort of hive mind technology is if they can transmit Signals from one person to another person through the brain with this technology.
This is real similar to like when they first started putting things on message boards in the internet and bulletin boards and like someone would put it up and then you'd have to check it and that was like the only method of communication.
Like my friend Andrews talked to me about that a lot.
He was on in the really early days of the internet and so these bulletin boards were like really primitive and this was like one of the first things that people had devised to communicate with online.
But now here we are 20 years later and it's fucking...
You're streaming live on Instagram, and you're doing Facebook Live, and people are taking pictures, instantaneously uploading them.
They're going to be able to, some way or another, allow us to interface with our brains the same way we interface using these phones and using computers.
jamie vernon
If that happens, would...
I mean, I don't know how this worked.
This obviously was a two-way communication.
They're both wanting it to happen.
In this scenario you're bringing up, like, what if you sent me a message I didn't want, or I didn't want to have right then, I didn't want right now, I'm busy, I'm doing something else?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Or you're just blasting me with this message, like, hey, hey, hey, wake up.
I'm like, I'm asleep, or who knows what's going on.
Or I'm getting 10 messages from all over, or I'm getting spam messages from outside, too.
Because there's going to be a way to turn it off.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, we're probably going to be able to opt out of it, but how many people are going to opt out of it?
And even if you do, maybe you could turn it off, like airplane mode, you know, just like you do with your phone at night, if you're watching a TV show or something.
I think that if you're really going to keep going with this, and it seems like they're going to, I mean, if they're doing things like this, it's not going to stop right there.
It's not going to, well, we did it.
That's awesome.
Let's just leave it there.
No, they have these new batteries.
Have you seen these new fucking batteries that they're powering with nuclear waste?
jamie vernon
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, they last for like 5,000 years.
jamie vernon
I did see that Tesla's factory got turned on and they started making batteries.
joe rogan
Oh really?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there was something about batteries being made with nuclear waste.
Diamond battery made from nuclear waste can last more than 5,000 years.
Oh yeah, put that in a cell phone and put it right next to your dick.
That shouldn't hurt it at all.
Because radioactive source is encased safely within the diamond, the hardest known substance it would be safe to use, say the researchers.
Fuck those guys.
They're going to open up a port of hell.
Those are those guys from Half-Life.
Fuck you, man.
Fuck you.
You're gonna put what?
And you know that chicks are gonna want a goddamn nuclear diamond.
You know those really super fucking high-maintenance chicks?
They're all gonna want nuclear diamonds.
Like, a regular diamond's not gonna be good enough.
That's gonna be the next top-level shit, is a diamond with nuclear waste inside of it.
jamie vernon
Did you see this?
Cremation diamonds?
joe rogan
People are being cremated and turned into diamonds?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wonderful.
jamie vernon
So, wouldn't that...
Are those two things possibly related?
joe rogan
Cremation's weird.
jamie vernon
Oh, it's nuclear waste, nuclear waste.
joe rogan
We're probably fucking over nature by being cremated.
We really are.
We're probably fucking over nature also with formaldehyde.
You know?
I mean, there's like some...
That's probably one of the disconnects that we have with nature.
Like, we don't absorb into it anymore.
We don't just bury our dead and then let the body do its natural decomposing process and then become a part of the natural ecosystem.
No, we've completely removed ourselves from it.
We take the body, we drain all the shit out of it, we fill it up with chemicals, we spray paint it.
It's weird, man.
Have you seen a body that's about to be buried?
jamie vernon
Not for a while, but yeah.
joe rogan
My grandpa freaked me out.
Because I was like, wow, he's not there.
Like, this is weird.
It didn't, it wasn't, there was nothing good about it.
There was nothing good about being there.
Like that, it was, I don't want to use the words grotesque, but There's something severely damaged about the idea behind it.
It was like, I felt like I was watching some crazy ritualistic shit, you know, that was like reenacted from the primitive days of early man.
I mean, looking down at this spray painted shell of a human, it's just, it's bizarre, man.
You could tell that's not, he's not really there.
What is this?
jamie vernon
These are different funerals.
joe rogan
What does it say?
Puerto Rican gangster?
Puerto Rico gangster propped up playing dominoes at his funeral.
Oh, God.
jamie vernon
This guy's dressed up as a superhero.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
This guy's in a car?
Jesus Christ.
This is crazy.
jamie vernon
I've seen they've had, like, different...
This guy's here's a boxer.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
He's a boxer, so they put him in his...
Warm-up suit, and they put him in the corner of a ring.
Jesus Christ, this is crazy.
He's got sunglasses on.
Why would you have sunglasses when you're right about to fight?
Want to see a crazy fucking picture?
That guy, Joseph Smith Jr., who just knocked out Bernard Hopkins.
First day on the job since he won the world title.
And he's got a photo of himself.
Joe Smith Jr., He's got two.
He's got two Instagrams.
jamie vernon
I don't know where I saw it.
joe rogan
Maybe Schaub had it up?
Yeah, there it is.
Look at that.
Joe Smith's first day in the job since he won.
I mean, this guy just knocked out Bernard Hopkins and he has a construction worker job.
jamie vernon
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It's insane.
That's insane.
Hey dude, quit that job.
jamie vernon
As I say, do you think at this point he needs to do that?
joe rogan
I don't know how much he got paid.
He might just be a...
jamie vernon
Maybe he doesn't have another fight lined up?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, I think everyone just assumes that if someone's a world champion that they're rich.
But it's not really the case.
You have to be a famous world champion.
The money's in promotion.
The money is in a guy like Oscar De La Hoya in his prime.
He was like a teen idol and also an amazing boxer, Olympic gold medalist.
That kind of guy sold tickets.
Floyd Mayweather sells tickets.
Manny Pacquiao sells tickets.
Now Joe Smith Jr., his next fight will probably make a lot of money.
This was an opportunity for him, and he capitalized on it, and he knocked out one of the greatest of all time.
But it's just weird to see him working.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That fight was fucked though.
jamie vernon
I know.
What round did that happen in?
Like the fourth?
joe rogan
Fourth or the fifth?
I don't remember.
But he had been getting to Bernard Hopkins and it looked like one of those classic fights where the old veteran just has lost his step.
You know, he was getting to Bernard Hopkins.
He tagged him with some big shots.
And then when he got him in the corner and just unloaded those shots on him, and then Bernard fell back on his head.
I was like, God, this is just so fucked up.
This is such a fucked up way to end an amazing career.
That is just what that sport does.
That is what that sport does.
There's no getting around that.
If you're a 51-year-old man and you're trying to fight one of the best young lions in the game...
Especially, he's not on PEDs or anything.
He's not on any...
I mean, I don't think he is.
He might be.
I doubt it.
He seems like just a super disciplined guy, and his body sort of reflects that.
He doesn't quite have the same body that he had when he was younger, but he still looks very fit.
Like, when he was younger, he was a savage.
I mean, when he beat, like, Felix Trinidad, nobody gave him a chance.
Everybody thought he was done.
They thought he was old.
Felix Trinidad was gonna fuck him up.
And he went on to fight for, like, 13 more years.
Yeah, man, he fucked up Kelly Pavlik.
They thought he was old then.
He went to fight Kelly Pavlik and everybody was like, oh, this is going to be a bad fight for Bernard Hopkins.
You know, he's, you know, I think he was like 39 or something like that.
I forget how old he was.
Might have been a little younger than that.
Anyway, he fucked up Kelly Pavlik.
No, he was in his 40s.
Find out how old Bernard Hopkins was when he fought Kelly Pavlik.
jamie vernon
That was after Pavlik had already become the champ, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I want to say, Pavlik had beaten Jermaine Taylor, right?
And I think, man, Hopkins might have been 40 years old at the time.
Because it's just...
You stop and think about boxers in the past.
There was a few guys like Archie Moore, George Foreman.
jamie vernon
He was 43, and Kavlik was 26. That's crazy.
joe rogan
And almost 10 years later, he's trying to still do that with these...
Murderous white men.
Because Kelly Pavlik was a murderous white dude, too.
Murderous puncher.
And then this Joe Smith Jr. is a ferocious puncher.
Oh, he's just a killer.
Bernard Hopkins, like, one thing you got to give the guy, as amazing as his career has been, even at the very last fight, he takes the toughest fight he can find, or one of the toughest ones.
Just a real young, dangerous kid.
But it's just...
Even though, like, we've seen it happen with Sugary Leonard.
We saw it.
I mean, remember when Sugary Leonard got beat up by Hector Camacho?
He just stayed in too long.
And Hector Camacho just beat the shit out of him.
And it's like, wow, this is weird to watch.
And he had Billy Blanks in his corner.
Billy Blanks was teaching him Taibo.
He did.
He had Billy Blanks.
Billy Blanks was a karate champion, too.
He was a yoke dude.
And, you know, knows a lot about fitness.
But apparently Sugar Ray had something fucked up with his calf.
Like, he pulled a muscle in his calf.
Then he had to get a cortisone shot before the fight.
He had, like, a little bit of a limp, I remember.
But Hector Camacho fucked him up.
But the really scary one was Terry Norris.
When Terry Norris beat up Sugar Ray Leonard.
Do you remember that?
Terry Norris Jr., Terry Norris, he put a beating on a lot of dudes.
He was a scary kid.
When he was at his best, Terry Norris was like lightning.
Yeah, this is when Terry Norris was, you know, world class, and he was just a step faster than Sugar Ray.
And you can see he's getting to him.
Terry Norris, he had been knocked out a few times himself too, man.
He got into wars.
One of the exciting things about Norris was that he would get hit.
He would get in front of guys and he would, you know, really take some risks.
It's one of the reasons why he was so fun to watch.
But yeah, this is just...
I don't even remember exactly how this fight ends, but I'm pretty sure Terry stopped him.
Oh, this is just round seven?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I thought it was a highlighter.
joe rogan
Oh, no, no, no.
Oh, yeah, there's Sugar Ray got knocked down.
Yeah, see, when you see shit like that, like, whoa.
See him get up staggered.
We've seen this so many times.
It shouldn't be weird at all.
Oh, what a good time for the internet to freeze.
It shouldn't be confusing to us.
But it's this story that repeats itself over and over and over again.
It doesn't seem like anybody ever learns their lesson.
There's a few guys that get out on top.
I really do hope Floyd Mayweather says, fuck you to everybody, and just takes all that money.
I really do hope he does that.
I would love to see a guy get through the whole thing without ever getting fucked up once.
If you think about what he's done, Made stupid amounts of money.
And got through the whole thing.
Might have gotten hurt three or four times in his whole career.
Might have gotten tagged.
Never got beat up.
Never got knocked out.
Just got tagged a few times over the course of how many fights?
I mean, that's beautiful.
Someone can do that?
That's like retiring as a BMX rider with no broken bones.
Is that possible to do?
jamie vernon
I don't think that, no.
joe rogan
Yeah, see?
What he's done, if Floyd Mayweather retires, he's done the thing that nobody ever does.
He went out on top, undefeated, with all the money after having fought all challengers.
I mean, he might have fought Pacquiao late, but you can't deny that he fought all challengers.
Who gives a fuck?
jamie vernon
I mean, the 50 thing seems to be an issue.
Or not an issue.
joe rogan
49-0.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
To 50-0, whether or not he wants to break the record.
jamie vernon
I mean, how much of that is his ego that's going to last for...
I mean, he's still pretty young, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, I think he's 36, if I had to guess.
But he's in really good shape.
I mean, he takes care of himself really well.
He's, like, notoriously disciplined about workouts.
And he'll even go out at night.
Go to a nightclub, drink water, and then work out at 2 o'clock in the morning.
Because he has his own gym and his own thing, and he works hard.
You don't get that good on just talent.
You get that good on talent and discipline and hard fucking work.
There's just no way around it.
And smart.
You've got to be smart, too.
You've got to be sneaky.
You've got to be clever.
jamie vernon
Do you see who he's training right now for a fight?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's training Soulja Boy.
Soulja Boy is really going to fight Chris Brown.
Is that real?
jamie vernon
I mean, it doesn't seem like it, but it's been talked about for a few days now.
Apparently it's going to be on pay-per-view.
Fighting over a girl.
joe rogan
I'm going to tell you right now, Chris Brown's going to fuck him up.
jamie vernon
Probably.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's an angry dude.
See that dude on the left with the red?
That's a real angry dude.
The other dude?
I just do not think he is as angry.
But who knows, man?
jamie vernon
I've never seen either of them in person.
joe rogan
Maybe one of them, maybe Soulja Boy's been hiding some sick boxing skills and just pretending this whole time.
jamie vernon
I doubt it.
joe rogan
See, I feel like Chris Brown has probably punched a lot more people.
You know?
Don't you think?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
All, you know, wife-beating, girl-beating jokes aside, he definitely seems like a dude who is much more likely to punch people.
jamie vernon
Maybe more likely to, but I couldn't really see either of them getting in like a street fight or anything.
They've been pretty famous for most of their life and protected too.
joe rogan
Interesting.
jamie vernon
Since they're in their teens.
joe rogan
Two guys...
jamie vernon
Shit happens, so they might have thrown down once or twice.
joe rogan
Oh, but here's another thing.
Here's another reason why I say Chris Brown.
Chris Brown's a real fucking dancer.
You ever see that guy move?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yo, he could do some crazy shit.
jamie vernon
He's really good in basketball.
joe rogan
Listen, this is gonna be a bloodbath.
I might be wrong.
jamie vernon
Would you buy it?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yeah, I'll fucking buy it.
You know?
And if Soulja Boy fucks him up, I'll apologize.
jamie vernon
I was trying to think about this.
Hasn't there been other things?
I mean, I know you were supposedly supposed to fight Wesley Snipes, but, like, wasn't there other things like this ever happened before?
joe rogan
They used to have a whole celebrity boxing show.
jamie vernon
I remember that happened a couple times.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Danny Bonaduce fought Screech.
He fucked up a couple of people.
jamie vernon
I remember when I was younger, there was supposed to be a big event where Shaquille O'Neal was supposed to go one-on-one on pay-per-view with this other big player named Hakeem Olajuwon.
joe rogan
They're gonna box?
jamie vernon
Not box.
They were just gonna play basketball one-on-one for a million dollars, but it never ended up happening.
I don't know why it went away.
But I was just kind of wondering in my head, like, I feel like this has...
I've heard things like this coming up and happening, or at least been announced, but they just kind of fizzle out.
joe rogan
Who knows, man?
I mean, people have done crazy shit.
This just seems like a really, really nutty one.
And they're fighting over a girl.
I just...
I haven't seen any evidence of Soulja Boy's athleticism.
Somebody put up a video of him working out.
There's a compilation of him working out.
But it's hard to tell if he's just being silly.
You know?
It's like he's shadowboxing and he's riding an elliptical machine.
He seems like a really young guy.
How old is he?
jamie vernon
Oh, man.
In his 20s still, too.
joe rogan
He's in his 20s?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, there's a bunch of...
There's a compilation here.
Whoever the dude that was narrating was like, oh man, he goes, you're working out with your socks on.
unidentified
This is not the same compilation, but it was pretty funny.
joe rogan
He's like, only real savages work out with their socks on.
I don't know, man.
It's just...
jamie vernon
You know.
joe rogan
Why do they want to do this?
What's wrong with these two?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
They need to hug it out.
jamie vernon
Anyway, when you were talking about that Black Mirror episode, I forgot that's the one that you saw.
One of the things I actually got and was seeing shown at this CES event was that...
I showed it to you the other night, that GoPro gimbal I got.
It's called the Karma Grip.
I actually have it here.
I'll let you hold on to it.
You can see it if you want.
But this is some of the video I shot with it.
joe rogan
And so the idea is that it balances itself out.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I'll put the camera on you.
So you just kind of hold it and it keeps itself stable.
So you can jiggle it around a little bit and it stays pretty simple.
And this was me walking around.
I have it at double speed here.
But this was connected to my shoulder basically.
And I was walking around.
joe rogan
So you taped it to your shoulder?
jamie vernon
I had a Velcro strap.
joe rogan
Okay, and so it just sits like this?
jamie vernon
Yep, I had it around my backpack.
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
And so I was just kind of walking around the event, and here's one of the cool things I did see at the event, too.
It's a projector that's projecting on...
That's the stabilization, actually.
joe rogan
Oh, it made it roll like that?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it wants to stay up.
But this projector right here is projecting onto a curtain, which I kind of ran past it pretty fast.
I wasn't really shooting my video for that purpose.
joe rogan
It's like a shower curtain with a pattern on it, and it's showing a solid image on that.
jamie vernon
Exactly.
It's on a hockey game, and you're not seeing the ripples.
So you don't need a flat screen for this projector.
You can project it on anything.
joe rogan
Like a tree.
jamie vernon
Exactly.
Ideally, you would want something a little smoother than that.
But yeah, you could still have a flat image on that.
joe rogan
Whoa.
jamie vernon
So that was pretty neat.
But some of this video is pretty cool on the stabilization.
And then I went over to the Samsung booth, and they have what they're kind of showing here is this flat, flat hanging TV, which the only way it's different from the things now is like when you hang a TV up on a wall, it's kind of hanging off about four to six inches.
This is literally flat.
I don't know if you can see right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks like a piece of paper.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but you can't really...
I don't know if you could slide anything in there.
It says it's a no-gap wall mount.
And then there's really no cords hanging off of there either.
It's just one cord.
No HDMI. I don't even know if power was coming off of it either.
joe rogan
Well, how does it work then?
jamie vernon
It's one optical cord, so it's like using light.
Optical cables use light waves.
joe rogan
So the one cord is powering it and providing the data?
jamie vernon
See, it says invisible connection right there on top.
It's showing some of the data.
joe rogan
Well, it kind of makes sense what they can do now with these iPowers.
It doesn't power it.
jamie vernon
I shouldn't have said it powered it.
I don't...
But it does do all the 4K data.
It does the HDMI, and it replaces all of that.
joe rogan
But these new iPhones with that, what is that connection called?
jamie vernon
Lightning connector.
joe rogan
Lightning connector.
That connector, you use it for sound, like with your earplugs, your earbuds.
You use it for an external microphone.
You can use it for the, it charges it.
You can split it off so it charges it, and at the same time, you're also listening to music, so both things can go through at the same time.
jamie vernon
Another interesting thing that was being shown is some transparent LCD screens.
So, I'm trying to show you this one a little bit.
This one right here in the middle, this guy's trying to show you.
This screen right here is actually a full LCD screen that I'm pointing at in the corner.
But there's an art display shown over top of it, like an ink art display.
So when you're not using it, when you're not using the TV, it looks like a piece of art hanging on your wall with the rest of the art.
joe rogan
Wow!
So it's a screensaver?
jamie vernon
Basically a screensaver.
joe rogan
That's insane!
jamie vernon
And there were a couple other companies showing some see-through LCD screens.
What a great idea!
These also haven't come to market yet, but this is some of the stuff that they're showing.
joe rogan
It's so beautiful, too.
That's beautiful artwork.
And if you can do it with that kind of resolution...
jamie vernon
Here I looked at some curved monitors.
This is like the most curved monitor ever.
I'm still not super sold on these.
I don't really understand why they're selling them so hard.
I don't really have an interest in buying one.
I've tried a few times to look at it.
joe rogan
It's very gimmicky.
It seems to me like...
Remember when those 3D TVs were coming out and everyone was trying to convince everybody you need to get it?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, 3D TV's coming.
And I watched it for a couple of minutes with the glasses on.
I was like, this is not going to work.
This is not here yet.
You know, it's just too goofy.
jamie vernon
That's gone pretty much.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's gone.
I think that's the same with these things.
I think people are...
You're going to use them for a while and you're going to go, wait, but this is...
Why is it...
Why am I doing this?
Why am I curving the fucking screen?
jamie vernon
It seems like it's only for one viewer, too, because if you're curving it for the other people, then they can't...
joe rogan
It fucks it up for everybody else.
It makes it for one person, but I would say the majority of people's use of computers is probably one person, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, for sure.
At least one person at a time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
So on this video, you can also see kind of how crowded this whole event was.
Jesus.
I walked 25 miles, I think.
My Fitbit tracked 25 miles in two days.
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
And that was only six to seven hours per time because I was dead tired after that.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
You had a workout.
jamie vernon
For sure.
And I was carrying around a backpack.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon
20 pounds of gear in it.
But here's an interesting new laptop coming out.
You can't really get a good view on it.
I kind of picked it up.
It literally, I think it weighs less than a pound or right around a pound.
unidentified
Whoa.
jamie vernon
And it felt like a kid's toy.
That's how, like, the plastic-y.
I don't want to say it felt cheap.
But it felt like a toy.
It felt like you could just throw it like a Frisbee.
But it was a full laptop made by Samsung.
It had a LCD screen.
It had a full keyboard.
It had a mouse pad.
And they had a little, I think it was a scale next to each thing that just proved to you how much it weighed.
joe rogan
But are you that much of a pussy that you can't carry around a one-pound laptop?
I don't get it!
jamie vernon
Yes and no, but I mean, say if you wanted to take one hunting and you need all your ounces, you're the perfect one to take hunting.
joe rogan
You definitely shouldn't take a laptop while hunting.
But if you did, yeah, you would definitely want to do that.
Guys cut their toothbrushes in half.
There's a lot of drastic weight reduction when it comes to those things, but I just feel like for laptops, it's not that hard to carry one around, and you put it on your back, and to me, features and hard drive space and speed, that's the most important shit.
It's not that hard to carry a pound, or two pounds, or whatever the fuck it is, three pounds.
It's not that hard.
jamie vernon
They haven't gotten that crazy, I guess.
They are getting all lighter.
The laptop doesn't weigh that much.
joe rogan
Those retina displays are very light, and it's beautiful.
You know, and then they have the Airs, and those are feather-light.
You don't need anything lighter than a goddamn MacBook Air.
jamie vernon
Yeah, true of that.
joe rogan
It's nothing.
jamie vernon
It weighs nothing.
There's got to be a reason.
There's got to be a small market.
It also probably is way cheaper than a MacBook Air, I would have to say.
joe rogan
Well, you remember when people wanted smaller and smaller phones?
You could buy a phone that's that big.
I saw a phone once that, like, it was so small that, like, there was a dial for...
I'm trying to remember how the fucking numbers were pressed.
There was some novel way...
Of, like, they barely could fit a number pad, like, to dial phone numbers.
So they had some weird dial thing to it.
I'm trying to remember.
I might be making this up.
jamie vernon
iPhone prototype.
They showed an iPhone prototype.
I don't know how it came out today, or not today, but this week someone made a or showed video of how one of the ways an iPhone was supposed to originally work, and it was using that scroll wheel that used to be on the old iPods.
Do you remember that?
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
So someone kind of hacked it together, I think, on a current iPhone to show you how this worked, this operating system worked.
But it seemed like the obviously worst way ever to be controlling a phone.
Because even, I think you'd had to input numbers that way by scrolling to them two, three, four.
Seems so bad.
joe rogan
Was that really considered?
jamie vernon
I mean, it's a working prototype, so I'd have to say someone at least thought it might have been a good idea.
Well, it has to be that they went through a bunch of different ideas before they came up with the Yeah, I mean, I heard they're going through 10 different phones right now just to try to figure out what the next iPhone they're going to go with is.
They're 10 different testing models.
joe rogan
Do you think that they've hit that point of critical mass where it's like, unless something really huge comes along, like hologram projectors or something really bananas, you've got everything now.
You've got amazing cameras.
You've got massive hard drive space.
You've got...
So much.
You have all these apps that you can use.
You've got all this usability.
What are you going to do that's going to make people want a next generation, and a next generation, and a next generation?
There has to be some sort of a leap, because it seems like for all the technology we have today, people are almost over-computered and over-phoned, right?
jamie vernon
Definitely, for sure.
When I was walking around that event, I was looking for Either the big crowds to see what everyone was, like, stuck around looking at.
Because this event was so huge.
To stop and spend five minutes at a particular, I don't know, pod or product or even just let someone talk to you to take your time for that five minutes is insane because there's just so much to look at.
But at the same time, there's...
Well, I kind of lost what I was doing there, but...
I just kind of looked over at this thing I wanted to show you, which was this thing called Vertify, which is this 3D virtual reality program.
They showed this guy over here doing a demo for it.
I didn't want to wait in line.
I really didn't want to wait in any lines there because there were so many people, and I didn't feel very good to stand somewhere for 30 minutes and sweat.
joe rogan
Young Jamie got the same stomach flu that I had.
jamie vernon
But what this shows right here is this...
I'm pretty sure that this thing on top here is the camera that records the event.
And then what they were showing...
This guy was getting a demo of it, which I wasn't seeing on this screen.
But they did show...
And you can kind of see him pinching his hand up there on top.
On this video, they show you watching with a VR headset, let's say a concert.
And then you can decide to grab...
The lead singer and move him into your living room.
So the performance is now, he's like not, I don't know, it was real weird how it showed it and I don't have it on this actual video.
I went back and watched another description of it.
joe rogan
And so he's wearing some fairly small goggles.
There's not a lot to what he's wearing.
jamie vernon
Yeah, that's one of the, there's about four or five big things going on there.
There's VR headsets, different new Multiple companies sharing VR headsets.
joe rogan
Was this augmented or was it virtual reality?
jamie vernon
That I believe was virtual reality.
joe rogan
But he reached up and grabbed someone and pinched it and brought it in.
jamie vernon
But it would have to be a little augmented because if you were seeing it in your living room, you'd have to also see the living room.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you go back to the video of you being there, like when you see his actual goggles itself, like watch as you pass by.
jamie vernon
I can actually see a little bit on the video there.
See, that's the lead singer moved onto the couch, bringing the artist into our home.
joe rogan
How bizarre.
jamie vernon
Which I kind of like pulled into the comedy world.
You could bring the comedian into your living room and just have him perform in your living room instead of at the comedy venue that they were at, which would be interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, how odd.
jamie vernon
Drones was a big thing there.
I'm sure.
Lots of drones, tons of drones.
joe rogan
Tiny ones too now, right?
jamie vernon
Very tiny ones.
There's a selfie drone, which didn't seem like it worked very well.
It kept flying up and flying down different sides.
I'm not quite sure how you're supposed to control it.
joe rogan
Go through this for a couple more seconds to see that guy's goggles, because I think he can see through them.
See, look how he's looking.
jamie vernon
Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
You see his eyes.
I mean, that's what it seems like to me, right?
jamie vernon
He might have that Microsoft Surface headset on.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Oh.
jamie vernon
I'm not sure.
And there's behind it, too, is a wireless VR headset.
So there were, like I said, too, there were a lot of headsets, and there were lots of things.
And let me just throw out a number and say I did five tech demos.
Out of those five, two or three didn't work, or they didn't go well, or they didn't work perfectly at all.
So that's where I'm kind of like, I don't know that a lot of this stuff was maybe not ready.
Or maybe it was supposed to be shown that way and this is our only demo product we have for you guys to see.
It's supposed to work all the time.
It usually does, but we've done so many demos today, it kind of fucks up a little bit.
That could have been happening too a little bit.
But there is a lot of things going on here where they're just trying to show you an idea and hope someone with a lot of money walks by and is like, ah, that looks like a good idea.
Here's some money, kid.
Go make it.
That kind of thing.
joe rogan
Some 1930s carnival barker?
jamie vernon
And it works out for that company.
joe rogan
Does that happen?
Are there guys who troll around this place and look for...
jamie vernon
I saw...
joe rogan
Good products?
jamie vernon
I just walked by the Intel booth and randomly saw a guy walk up to one of the workers and say, like, I have some patents on baseball Wi-Fi technology.
Who do I talk to?
That kind of thing.
So that's all.
There's tons of different meetings and things sort of happening.
joe rogan
By the way, in case anybody misinterprets, when I'm saying troll around, I don't mean like...
Fuck with people on the internet troll.
I mean like fishing troll.
You drag a line behind, you go look for things to catch.
Do you think that this was like the big thing in this CES though as far as like emerging technologies with all this virtual reality stuff?
jamie vernon
Every year, apparently, it's focused on something different.
This year, there wasn't very much cell phone anything, really.
In the past years, there's been big announcements of cell phones from different companies.
I think I only even saw maybe one.
It was this company called Huawei, I believe is how you say it.
They paired with this really well-known camera company called Leica and have a 20-megapixel camera.
joe rogan
Yeah, Leica makes binoculars and stuff, too.
jamie vernon
But I tested that out to see how good it was, and I wasn't sure if I was holding the actual correct model, which was the one that had all the best features in it, because I had a couple different models out there.
There's just so much going on there, it was really hard to get a grasp of.
What you were doing.
joe rogan
That's really interesting you bringing this up.
It's making me think, like, when you get to a certain level of this virtual reality stuff, you're going to want to look through, like, the best lens available.
You know, you're going to want, like, one of those high-end binocular companies to come along and craft something.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to remember right now.
I want to say it's GoPro.
I'll have to Google it before I kind of say something off.
But, you know, have you heard the company called Hasselblad?
joe rogan
Yes.
The camera company.
They were the people that had the cameras that they put on the moon.
jamie vernon
I think it's DJI. Allegedly.
joe rogan
Allegedly they were on the moon.
jamie vernon
Yeah, so DJI is arguably the best drone maker right now.
They're the biggest company.
It's a company out of China.
They make the Phantom, which was the biggest consumer drone.
And right now they just put out the thing called the Mavic, which is...
joe rogan
So they acquired Hasselblad?
jamie vernon
Apparently they had a minor stake in the company and they just took a major stake.
So they just took over the stock holdings.
joe rogan
What's the correct pronunciation?
It's Hasselblad?
jamie vernon
I believe so, yeah.
So DJI, they made this thing called the Mavic, which I got to hold at the event.
I didn't get to buy one.
They're on back order still right now.
They've been on back order for a little while.
Fold it up, because each of these legs folds together.
It's a little bit smaller, or a little bit bigger than this, than my iPhone 7S. It's obviously a little bit thicker.
You can see that it's thicker.
But the actual size, you can hold it, and it's about the same size as the palm of your hand.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
jamie vernon
And it shoots 4K video.
It goes up to, I want to say, about 4 miles away from you.
joe rogan
What?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
So, obviously, you're on a loose side of it, and it goes to, I think, 20, 30, 40 miles an hour, something like that, something crazy.
And this is a bite-sized little tiny truck.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
And does it avoid things or evade things?
jamie vernon
Yeah, this one has obstacle avoidance.
That's what these cameras on the front four.
There's some on the back or the bottom two.
So, they have another version, which is the Phantom 4 Pro, I believe, which is a bigger version than this.
They have an Inspire, which is the way bigger version, and then they have, like, the full film.
Like a film company would use, which has got like eight big crazy props on it and whatnot.
joe rogan
Do you remember when they filmed that movie, The Twilight Zone?
And they didn't have drones back then.
And they had a helicopter, an actual real helicopter behind them doing a stunt.
Do you remember that?
There was a horrible accident.
Oh man, it was a horrible accident where this actor and this little girl were killed.
jamie vernon
Oh wait.
joe rogan
The helicopter came crashing down on them.
jamie vernon
You said that there was two people.
I think I did hear about that.
joe rogan
Don't even show me this, dude.
I don't even want to watch that shit.
jamie vernon
I'm making sure I didn't see it.
joe rogan
Something about seeing people die for a movie, too, that's particularly gruesome.
It's like, what?
How did you think that you could just fly that helicopter right next to people?
jamie vernon
Well, with all this drone stuff, I'm going to ask you this question, because...
I don't know if it's an actual trend I see happening or if it's just something they're forcing or what, but there just seems to be a lot of camera equipment being made available for the individual to use to make really high-end stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
And I don't know if it's the trend that people are just going to start making all this content.
Are they going to just start shooting everything they're doing?
Is technology allowing that to happen for us?
joe rogan
Well...
It seems like there's only so much you can do with it.
I feel like what they have to do, though, is have the best shit.
So if someone has 4K, you have to have 4K. If someone has virtual capability, you can upload it digitally.
jamie vernon
Fitness trackers were really big there.
I still, I don't remember who it was that came in here.
I think it was the first time Bert came in with one.
I sort of tried to ask him.
I was like, because I had one too for a couple weeks, but I took it back because it got recalled.
But I was like, what are you doing with that?
joe rogan
Got it recalled?
jamie vernon
The one I had at the time got recalled.
For what?
It was causing a rash on people because the battery connector wasn't, right?
I don't know.
They fixed it apparently now, but I haven't bought another one since then.
Because I found out that the Fitbit app on my iPhone works just about the same.
And there's also the built-in Apple iPhone apps now, too, that do the health stuff.
But what is everyone doing with all that data, or are they doing anything with it, mostly at all, besides really, really, really into fitness people, like personal trainers?
joe rogan
Well, I think there's some technologies that, even though they keep getting better and better, they're kind of ignored after a while.
Like, here's one of the most bizarre ones, is voice sound quality.
Nobody gives a fuck about when anybody's voice sounds like on a phone.
It's like it almost never gets discussed.
Isn't that one of the most important things about a phone?
You should be able to listen to someone on a phone and it should sound like they're talking to you.
It should be like right here.
Like, what's up, Jamie?
Oh, hey, what's up, dude?
It never sounds that good.
Ever.
But they have the ability to make it sound that good.
Why haven't they made it sound that good?
People barely fucking use their phone as a phone anymore.
The phone part is totally stagnant.
Like, the signal gets a little bit better.
You can catch a signal somewhere else, but it still sounds just as shitty as it ever did.
It doesn't sound perfect clarity.
It doesn't sound like you talking to me in the same room.
You telling me they can't do that?
Of course they can do that.
If they could get you to listen better now, with a better sound now than the rotary phones, the 1960s, they could improve on the sound quality, but there's no demand for it because people hardly talk on the phone anymore.
So it becomes one of those things where it just hits a certain point, nobody gives a fuck about it, and then the market goes where people give a fuck.
People give a fuck about cameras.
You gotta get a juicy camera.
I want a 15, 18, whatever a megapixel is.
It sounds awesome.
Get me one of those.
Oh, it's gigapixel?
They have gigapixels.
I need a gigapixel.
You know, like, how many people are just...
Just buying the latest shit, me included, because it's the latest shit.
Because it sounds awesome.
Because you want that one.
Oh, the S has the image stabilization that I'll never use.
There's so much of that shit out there.
But it seems so compelling.
If Apple had an iPhone 8, you and me would be in line like a couple of fucking dorks.
jamie vernon
I still keep talking to myself sometimes.
I think about this 7S I have.
It's like...
I have it.
I like it.
The cameras on it is really good, but it's so big, I kind of dislike it.
joe rogan
How dare you?
jamie vernon
I like the smaller phone.
I like the 6s.
joe rogan
Well, the 6 or the 7, you know, you can get a regular-sized one too.
jamie vernon
But the stats on the phone are down.
They're down?
It's not as good as a phone as the 7S is.
Really?
Or the 7 Plus.
joe rogan
As far as the hard drive and as far as the battery life, right?
jamie vernon
It's got dual cameras, which the other ones don't have.
The battery on this is actually really good.
joe rogan
It's very good.
jamie vernon
I'm super surprised at how good the battery is on this phone.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Especially if you don't keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on all the time.
You can last two days almost.
Which is way surprising because the screen's way bigger.
I could say when the next one comes out in a couple months, they're going to announce it probably by March or May.
And it'll be out by the fall.
Like, do we need it again?
And the answer is like, why?
Because it has 4K video on it.
It's like, yeah, I know it has 4K video, but I've barely done anything with the 4K video.
And the 4K video I do have, like with this GoPro I just got, the new GoPro 5, you have to convert all the footage so that you can actually edit it.
Which is like a big gigantic step.
joe rogan
You have to convert it?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Before you edit it?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ew.
jamie vernon
You can do a little bit of editing in their program, but to take it in a final cut or to do what I did just to show you more than 30 seconds at a time, I had to Spend, whatever, 12 minutes per 8 minute video converting all of it.
That's only because that's the capabilities of my computer.
If I had a faster one, maybe it would have been faster, but there's slower computers too.
And it's just like, what's the need of the 4K video then?
I couldn't even show the 4K video out because I can't broadcast to YouTube.
joe rogan
How big are these files we're talking about?
jamie vernon
Huge.
For a 9 minute video it was like 40 gigs.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
That's a fucking giant hard drive back in the day.
I think my first hard drive was 4 gigs.
40 gig for one file.
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
And that's just so I could have two hours of GoPro footage of me walking around CES to whittle that down.
And it's like, what is the normal person going to do with all that?
If they went to shoot their kids, it's like, they're going to have to have so many hard drives, they're going to become digital hoarders for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, you're talking about actual physical space now.
Now, what is the benefit of that over, like, a more standard HD format, other than the fact that it just looks a little bit better?
I mean, and really it is just a little bit.
Like, you're really struggling between HD and this 4K. It's like, yeah, it's better.
It's better.
It's a smidge.
It's a smidge better.
jamie vernon
There were some 8K TVs at CES. 8K? Yeah.
joe rogan
Those motherfuckers.
jamie vernon
There's a couple cameras that shoot in 8K now.
joe rogan
Right when you thought you were safe with 4K. Now, what's going to be 80 gigs for the same video?
jamie vernon
At least.
joe rogan
Fuck that.
That's crazy.
jamie vernon
Well, and that's kind of where we're getting.
It's like there's no...
The distribution of this content now becomes the next step and the next hurdle you have to get past.
I was looking around a lot of 360 cameras because I just got that 360 camera and did the test footage with the weigh-in that we did last week.
I didn't personally just like how the footage looked.
There was a smudge on the screen which transferred over and it doesn't look very good and it wasn't at eye level.
I believe I was shooting that in 4k and it just looks a little grainy and messy.
And so I was looking around that whole event to just try to find, because there were multiple 360 cameras, and there was 4K streaming 360 cameras, and they all have their own proprietary software to run it off of.
But I did find one really good one, which does 3D... 360 video.
Ooh.
Which was really, really cool.
But I'm also wondering, too, if I saw something, one really good edited video they made to show it off, or if I was actually seeing...
This is basically exactly what the camera does.
Like, pretty much straight off of it.
Because it was really cool.
It was called the Views Camera.
And...
joe rogan
I contacted them.
That's when you're getting into really bizarre stuff, right?
When you're talking about 8K video, and then you're talking about 360-degree 3D. Yeah.
Because it seems like if we're going to enter into a real virtual realm any time in the near future, all this ramping up Of the specs, you know, going from 4K to 8K and then, you know, 32K is just around the corner.
They're just going to keep getting better at this shit.
And when you're talking about something through like a high-end glass, like a really high-end, like a, you know, binocular-type glass, and then having insanely high-definition video.
And then having this exponential jump in this virtual technology where they figure out a way to really lock you into something that is not...
It's not invasive to the point where it's not like fucking with your experience by you feeling it on your head.
It's very light, you know?
Because sometimes you're putting those bulky headsets and the goggles.
You know it's over your eyes.
Like, that's going to shrink up, too.
That's going to shrink up to almost nothing.
And with...
With all these big jumps that they're making, how far away are we from some fully immersive Avatar world?
jamie vernon
We've got to be getting close.
joe rogan
Dude, it's going to be bananas.
Do you know what it's going to be like?
An Avatar world that you could go for a journey in?
I mean, imagine if movies, if what they become, because, you know, think about how these serial shows like Sopranos and then ultimately, you know, Game of Thrones and a lot of these other great shows, they catch you and they rope you in and they bring you into a world.
And then you follow that world episode after episode and you get sucked into it, right?
It's very different than a regular movie.
What if they start doing these serial...
I mean, I think of, like, Game of Thrones as a serial movie, right?
There's a hundred parts to this movie, but it's a big, giant-ass movie.
I mean, it's so much better than a regular television show in terms of, like, its special effects and the grandness of it all.
If they can figure out how to film something like that but let you participate in it, I mean, let you strap on to some 3D treadmill type thing.
And move around in this fucking weird world and follow these people on their journeys.
Be right there when the orcs slaughter the people.
Like the blood splatter in front of you.
You're watching them get chopped up.
And then you're going to go over the mountain to where the castle is.
You have to actually walk over the mountain.
But as you walk over the mountain, horses ride beside you.
You get to see them.
I mean...
We're real close to something like that.
I feel like that's only a few years away.
jamie vernon
They have Avatar World coming out soon, like at Disney World.
joe rogan
Oh, what are they going to do?
How's that going to work?
jamie vernon
They've been showing some things.
I think this is just an Imagineering idea, but you're going to be able to take a boat ride through the middle of the Navi forest.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Well, that looks like it's a small world with psychedelic colors.
jamie vernon
It's going to be a little bit like that, but they're going to have some VR stuff where you're going to be able to float through and go on the...
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Floating mountains.
Whoa.
jamie vernon
Here's how they look in Disney World right now.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
So they're building it right now.
jamie vernon
You're obviously not going to be able to walk on that.
joe rogan
When is this going to take place?
jamie vernon
I'm I think it opens later this year.
joe rogan
Disneyland doesn't play games.
jamie vernon
But what you're saying, what if they just took the extension of that and just, instead of making the Avatar movie, they just went, look, Avatar 5 is Avatar World, and if you want to come live it out, you've got to come to Disney World and pay $50 or $100 or $150 or $300.
Something crazy to do it.
joe rogan
Now you're talking.
This is what you do.
You construct that world, and then, once you're in that world, then you put on the VR goggles, and it turns everything into fluorescent neon greens and blues, like the Avatar world.
You can see everything, and then you actually watch the movie play out in there.
Nerdgasm!
jamie vernon
I feel like they're way closer to something like that than we are.
Everyone being able to do this at home probably.
joe rogan
The thing about that though is it's going to require so much resources and land and money.
I feel like a 3D treadmill where you don't physically go anywhere.
You're not going to be able to go up hills.
You're not going to feel the sensation of walking, climbing things.
That's the only difference.
But you'll be able to be right in front of it.
But it won't feel like grass.
You know what I mean?
If they could figure out a way to do a virtual world where somehow or another you could change the textiles on the ground or change the way it feels.
The tactile sensation of what you're stepping on.
If you can make it feel like water.
If you can make it feel like grass or dirt.
If they could start doing shit like that.
That doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility.
Just seems like something way too smart for a dummy like me to figure out.
jamie vernon
So there's one technology at CES. There's a couple things there I didn't get a chance to even see or make it to.
joe rogan
What does it say?
What is this?
Wants to let you feel fabric through your touch screen.
Whoa.
Yeah, I... Tanvas.
jamie vernon
I couldn't find it there.
There were a lot of places I think I was trying to find that I couldn't even actually just find.
joe rogan
You know what dudes are going to use that for?
They're just going to rub girls' panties in porn films.
It's going to be the only application for it.
unidentified
Oh, it's right there.
joe rogan
Let me touch it.
unidentified
It's right there.
jamie vernon
The idea of it sounds pretty interesting, though.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I mean, you can...
joe rogan
You can have, like, a bump to it.
So is it working on an iPad or something with...
jamie vernon
Yeah.
It uses a little bit of, like, the haptic feedback that is already built into some of these things, but it uses it differently.
joe rogan
Well, that was what was kind of cool about the HTC Vive is that haptic feedback.
Because when you're doing the bow and arrow thing, it really does kind of feel like you're drawing the arrow back.
It gives you a little bit of vibration as if the arrow is pulling across the arrow rest and it's rubbing on it.
It's really cool.
jamie vernon
So they just made some announcements, too.
They're not going to make a new Vive yet, but they showed a new headset attachment that makes the Vive fit on your head a little bit more comfortably.
And they showed what they're calling a tracker, which is essentially the end of the controller, which can be attached to...
They said anything, so it depends what a developer makes it work with.
But one of the things they showed is on the end of a gun, to play different gun games, they put it on the end of a baseball bat.
And the baseball bat, then you could...
You could see the bat in the Vive game that you were playing or the baseball simulation you were playing, but they could pull in real Major League Baseball pitches, actual data, because they have them all from the last, I don't know, five to ten years.
Any pitch from any pitcher you want to see, you can have now come at you and you can go ahead and try to hit it.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
jamie vernon
And probably then put you theoretically in any park you want or wherever the hell you want to be swinging baseball bats.
joe rogan
How many dudes are going to be blowing their shoulders apart?
jamie vernon
Well...
joe rogan
Swinging at the air with this thing.
jamie vernon
Hopefully you're not bashing your house up too, but that idea can be expounded on.
joe rogan
Now would you...
I would think that if you were going to do something like that, you would want to do it with a bat that's like the same weight as a real bat.
jamie vernon
You'd probably want the actual...
They had an actual wooden baseball bat.
They just screwed the thing on the bottom.
joe rogan
Oh, that's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
So...
You could do it with that.
You could probably have a sword.
You could probably have a bow.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you had a sword, do you know what kind of a fucking awesome workout you would get?
My arms were so tired at Duncan's place just for playing his archery thing, and I'm not even pulling anything back.
I'm just holding my arm up.
There's no actual resistance pulling the bow back, but just holding your arm straight in front of you and doing this over and over again, my arms were killing me, man.
I was like, this is amazing.
Like, this actually has some physical benefit to it.
And the boxing game, the boxing game has real benefit to it.
Like, the boxing game, I think you could learn how a person moves and how it feels like to spar with them.
You see punches come at you.
You can learn how to slip punches.
You can learn how to counter with things.
You don't feel hitting anything.
That's the only thing that's missing.
You don't feel them hitting you.
But at least when they hit you, you see, like, sparks.
jamie vernon
So, one of the...
I'll try to find a little...
It's not worth me pulling up the video, but there was a haptic feedback, essentially a backpack slash chest thing you put on for VR that would give you some sort of shocks or you'd feel something.
I don't know how hard it would feel.
joe rogan
It should jolt the shit out of you.
jamie vernon
There was another one.
In the video I watched showing the data trackers that they were adding onto different devices, they put it on a fire hose.
And they also put a jacket on you that had heaters in it.
So you're putting out a fire and it's giving you feedback of the hose.
It's also getting warmer and you're getting hot.
That's not really a game as more of it as a simulation or it is a training tool for an actual fire company.
joe rogan
Well, it's also to let you know what's the potential for a Doom game from 2024. Maybe two years from now, hopefully.
We'll see what happens at E3 this year with what these companies are going to announce with the new Xbox that's supposedly going to have a VR. As soon as someone comes up with a haptic feedback suit, You know, that's able to get hot and cold and vibrate and jolt and even give you a little bit of pain.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
You need something.
joe rogan
You need a little bit of pain.
A little, ah, fucker!
You know, where you're really feeling it.
jamie vernon
Remember that, was that a, I don't know which James Bond movie it was, where they're holding on to the, there's some sort of like stick they're holding on to and like the loser, it just gets more painful and like they're trying, it's like a man, man versus man contest, but there's a bunch of, it's like at a cocktail party.
joe rogan
I don't remember that one.
unidentified
I avoided a lot of those James Bond movies.
joe rogan
Eddie Bravo said something to me a long time ago, and it fucked me up.
We were talking about...
It wasn't a conspiracy thing.
We were talking about action movies.
And he's like, the problem with these action movies is you always know who's going to live.
The main guy's always going to live.
Like, you never...
Oh, yeah, he's hanging by a fucking thread.
Yep, he's going to make it.
He's going to live.
You know he's going to live.
I'm like, you motherfucker.
Like, I knew that.
Of course I knew that.
You go to see The Terminator, or you go to see Predator, you don't think that Arnold Schwarzenegger is going to get killed by the alien at the end.
No.
You think, that's actually really bad for us, isn't it?
It's really bad to have the good guy win in all of them.
That's why I think No Country for Old Men is probably important.
It's important to know that sometimes the guy who you think is going to live gets shot in the last couple minutes of the movie and the other guy just wanders off.
Spoiler alert.
And that's the end of the movie.
And you're like, what the fuck kind of movie is this?
Well, that's a movie that's more like a real live story.
Arnold can't beat that alien.
You know it.
I know it.
That thing's gonna fuck him up.
Why are we pretending?
This is stupid.
There's not a world where I can imagine that predator losing to Arnold Schwarzenegger.
I can't imagine.
jamie vernon
Did you see Arnold going at the Donald the other day?
joe rogan
No, I didn't, but I can't believe that Donald went at Arnold.
He's the goddamn president, sir.
jamie vernon
The ratings were down, supposedly.
joe rogan
Well, he compared it to his first season, you know, and then all the 15 seasons he did afterwards.
They fired him from that show for talking about Mexicans.
Did you know that?
That's when they fired him.
They fired him from that show, and he's still the executive producer.
So he's talking shit about a show that he's still the executive producer of.
jamie vernon
How is he allowed to be the executive producer?
joe rogan
Because he's fucking president.
jamie vernon
I don't know all the rules about that, but I thought there were rules about that.
joe rogan
I mean, he's probably going to step down now that he's president.
I don't know.
He said he was going to step down from a bunch of shit now that he's president.
Dude, it's going to be weird fucking for sure.
It's going to be weird.
And he's going to be weird during the weirdest era ever.
jamie vernon
It's next Friday, right?
joe rogan
Yep.
20th.
jamie vernon
What do you think is going to happen that day?
joe rogan
He's going to paint the White House black.
Hell is going to open up right in front.
It's going to be like a river of lava.
jamie vernon
Is that the actual end of the world day?
joe rogan
Yeah, the Mayans were only off by four or five years.
They were off by a little.
What do they think?
December 21st, 2012. So they were off a little.
jamie vernon
Four years in a month?
joe rogan
Yeah, not that bad.
Not that bad.
They missed it a little bit.
They did it thousands of years ago, man, if you're fucking guessing, thousands of years ago.
I mean, I wonder if there really is like a cycle where civilizations just, they get to a point where all the monkey shit that led them to scratch and scrape and dominate and procreate and get to a point where they have a city.
And finally get a little bit of safety.
All of that just bites it in the ass.
Even though you've gotten past the monkey existence, all those monkey DNA, human reward systems, they're all still in place.
And they still make you want to chase the same shit that people chased thousands of years ago.
Conquest and domination and control the food supply.
And now that I'm president, I'll have all the gold!
Ha!
That need for competition.
That's going to be one of the things that I think technology is probably going to neutralize first.
I think that when you get a hive mind type scenario, which is a hive mind or a virtual world scenario where it's literally preferable to this world.
Like, why would you want to hang around and just go to West Hills and get lunch at some shitty place and wait in this thing and then go to the movie?
Why would you even want to do that when you get all your food through an IV and you're going to live in the Avatar world for a couple of weeks?
A lot of people would do it, dude.
jamie vernon
Oh, damn it.
joe rogan
Food would probably be the only problem.
Like, food and taking a shit.
jamie vernon
There's another Black Mirror episode you just started saying.
It happens from time to time.
Like, you just start going down a concept, and it's like, that's...
joe rogan
That's a Black Mirror episode.
An original fuck.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
What can I say?
jamie vernon
It was just an idea that you can go live in another place for an amount of time.
joe rogan
What's the name of that episode?
I want to watch it.
jamie vernon
San Junipero, I think, is that one.
joe rogan
It's going to happen, man.
It's just a matter of time.
And when it does happen, it might be a complete mental experience.
Like, you might get out of this, and you might be like those poor guys who come back after spacewalks.
You know those guys that are up there, like Commander Hatfield?
I had him on the podcast, and he was describing after being, I think he was up for six months.
It was a long fucking time.
And when he came back down, his body's brittle.
It takes a year for your bone density to come back.
You're a mess.
You can't stand.
You're throwing up all over the place.
Your whole body's so baffled because you've been up in space for six months.
Those guys make a tremendous sacrifice so that we can understand what happens to people's bodies in zero gravity.
Like, all these people that are signing up to go to Mars and want to go on all these journeys into space, like, settle the fuck down, okay?
We might be able to go to better spots if we just stay right here.
We need to put a roof on this thing.
We got rocks flying in.
We need to put a goddamn roof on the planet, build that first.
Big ass, thick roof with LCD screens.
So at the bottom of it, it just shows nothing but beautiful skies everywhere you go.
It's going to be like the Truman Show.
And there's going to be a big scoop that catches all the rain.
The rain's going to fall on the outside.
unidentified
It's going to...
joe rogan
It's going to get funneled through.
But we need like a four foot wall.
No, it wouldn't even matter.
The kind of asteroids that killed the dinosaurs.
I think they said something crazy like it was five miles deep into the earth within the first half a second.
Yeah, I might have made those numbers up.
But it's in that range where it's so preposterous.
I remember hearing this guy speak about it.
And, you know, talking about just the impact that the Earth rang for a million years.
unidentified
Bang!
joe rogan
Rang from the impact for a million years.
Ouch!
What the fuck is that?
Like, so we can't really have a...
We need something better than a roof.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Work on that first, then your goddamn virtual reality.
Then think about going to Mars.
I was listening to Richard Dawkins talk to Sam Harris today on this podcast.
It's very interesting.
But one of the things they were talking about is people going to Mars And if they did colonize Mars, the genes on Mars would not be in contact with the genes back here on Earth and would human beings go off in different directions.
And then on top of that, genetic manipulation.
Once genetic manipulation gets perfected and they start really fucking with people's DNA and really changing what people look like and how they can perform and how their brains work, What is it going to be like in comparison, like the guys that are doing that on Earth versus the people that are doing it on Mars?
Yeah.
jamie vernon
That's weird.
And the atmospheres are obviously different just in general, so the way cells would grow would just be different.
joe rogan
You can't breathe it.
You have to, somehow or another, they're going to have to terraform.
Create an atmosphere, or they're going to have to put some kind of domes up and live inside the domes, which is terrifying.
jamie vernon
Was it Interstellar?
We didn't colonize planets, but we made floating terraform cylinders, and we lived on those.
Is that what that was?
joe rogan
I didn't watch that whole movie.
I got mostly into that movie, and I fell asleep on a plane.
jamie vernon
I didn't see the end.
Seeing that movie at the Chinese Theater, which is where I saw it down in Hollywood, when they go into the black hole.
I remember even reading, that's where Christopher Nolan was test-watching that movie.
It was so loud and so big.
It made that such an awesome experience.
joe rogan
Oh, the Chinese theater is amazing.
jamie vernon
It makes bad movies good.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw Pulp Fiction there.
And I was like, holy shit.
That was when Pulp Fiction first came out.
I guess it was like 94 or something.
Yeah, man.
I didn't see that movie.
But that Matt Damon movie, The Martian, was all about terraforming and trying to survive on Mars.
jamie vernon
Did you watch The Arrival yet?
I almost watched that.
joe rogan
No.
No, I haven't seen it.
Heard's really good, though.
It looks really good.
But that kind of came and went, huh?
jamie vernon
I mean, kinda.
joe rogan
But is that just how it goes now?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's too fast.
joe rogan
Things are too good.
Too much.
jamie vernon
Do people wanna watch them at home now?
joe rogan
Yeah, that too.
jamie vernon
They're gonna start allowing that to happen, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, charge me more.
Charge me 50 bucks.
Nobody's figured out how to get through the, well, maybe they have, get through the Apple TV and download it, have they?
jamie vernon
No, I don't like to steal from that.
I don't think so.
joe rogan
You don't like to steal from that?
unidentified
No, no, no.
jamie vernon
Are you asking?
I'm saying, you mean steal from that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think so.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't think anybody's been able to do that.
Maybe they have, but like when you're streaming, like you're streaming, I guess if you were streaming to a computer, there might be a way to do it.
A screen capture in some sort of way.
jamie vernon
Maybe.
I don't know, because they have it built into the, well, I guess it's streaming.
A lot of the HDMI cables now, if you're, when you have your Xbox or your another system hooked up to something that you're trying to do game capturing on to, like, broadcast on Twitch or something, if you bring up a video or, like, your TV turns on, it goes black because it knows that that signal is bad.
It's not supposed to be broadcast.
It's not the game signal.
It's the TV signal.
And you'll probably, people's trying to show TV online.
It knows that.
They're trying to, whatever.
They just put that stop in there.
joe rogan
Right.
But that seems like that could be removed, right?
Or hacked through.
jamie vernon
Maybe.
joe rogan
But I feel like there's got to be a way to take Apple, like when you're using your computer, you can use a regular computer and watch things on iTunes, correct?
jamie vernon
Yes.
joe rogan
Right?
So if you were using a regular computer and you were streaming a movie...
Like, there's got to be a way that you would be able to screen capture that with your computer.
jamie vernon
Oh, yeah, for sure.
But just open up a program, you mean?
Yeah.
joe rogan
And just record it.
jamie vernon
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And you'd have just some big-ass file that would be like The Hobbit or whatever the hell you were screening.
jamie vernon
There's probably a way they can put in some sort of digital write management thing that it will put...
unidentified
Right.
jamie vernon
You can't record to that, or it'll put a big watermark on if you try to do that, or maybe not, and then someone will hack away against it, and that's like a battle probably going on, too.
joe rogan
A battle that will go on forever, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
They'll just make a new file format and then videos will be in that file format for the next five years until it gets hacked.
Keep playing cat and mouse games, I think.
joe rogan
It's just really interesting when we're looking at that video or the article rather about the people that were transmitting hola and chow back and forth through the internet and then think about this kind of stuff that you're talking about like really high level digital management you're putting out 4k imagery you're streaming movies and people are trying to steal it and you know Think about all the bit torrents and all the different files that
are available online when it comes to all these movies that Hollywood Studios spend millions of dollars to make and then boom, a screener's online moments before it's released.
This constant battle of technologies.
It's really crazy because we could just sit here and just show up at this CES. We don't have to participate at all.
Show up every year.
What do you got now?
Okay, see you in a year.
What do you got now?
Can you read my mind yet?
Nope.
I'll see you in a year.
What about now?
Well, we can't read your mind, but we can send you images.
Okay, I'll see you in a year.
Can you read my mind yet?
You just keep going back.
You don't have to do any work.
No one gets mad at us.
It's not like the people in the village that had to go get the water.
You drink water every day, you fuck.
You never go and get water.
They never ask you to get water.
You just got to give them money, and they'll just keep doing it.
You just show up, and they never go, what do I have here?
What do you have for me?
What do you have for me if you want to see my mind-reading machine?
I got money.
Not good enough.
Nobody ever says that.
You literally don't have to participate in it to enjoy the benefits of it.
It's a rare thing.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
I was trying to think of...
One of the car companies outside was showing some stuff.
unidentified
But they called it a statue.
jamie vernon
But it was supposed to be an actual model of a car.
joe rogan
They called the car a statue?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it doesn't have a drivetrain in it?
jamie vernon
There were people sitting in it.
It was supposed to look like whatever a future thing was.
But the girl that kept telling you what was going on and explaining things to you, she kept referring to the car as a statue.
I thought that was weird because I think I've tried to show it to you before and we're like, is that real?
Does that work?
joe rogan
That's legalese.
Yeah, that doesn't work then.
When you call something a statue, you could say that it's a prototype.
Like, this is what we hope it looks like in the future.
But based on what?
Like, do you know what the image is?
Do you have a...
Can you pull it up?
jamie vernon
I was trying to remember what it was.
I want to see it because...
joe rogan
It seems like if you just called it a statue, you could just totally bullshit people.
It doesn't have to have any basis in, you know, real engineering or anything.
You could just say it's a statue.
And you could just have, like, design concepts to it.
Was it a concept as far as, like, a crazy technological vehicle?
jamie vernon
I think that's what they were trying to show off.
joe rogan
The tech inside?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you seen what new cars are doing now, where all their dashboards are all LCDs?
jamie vernon
That's what they were trying to show, I think, a little bit.
This is what the new dashboard and everything's going to look like.
Go ahead and sit in there.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
jamie vernon
One of the BMW, I think it was an i8, they had it inside the event.
There was a long line for this, so I 100% wasn't waiting.
You put on the, I think it was the Microsoft Surface with it, which I don't know why you would have this on while you're driving, but maybe in the future we'll be doing that.
And you're getting all sorts of extra information, at least, but it's still just a prototype, so I don't know.
You weren't driving down the street, so I don't know what they were showing to you.
They're just blasting stuff in your face on what it might look like.
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
I don't know what you would be wanting to see, though, also.
joe rogan
Well, it just seems like whatever possibilities they have now, you just try to extrapolate, you try to add up the steps between now and five to ten years from now.
It's going to be really weird.
Did you see one of the DARPA announcements?
We're talking about all the different...
Well, it wasn't an announcement.
It was an interview they did with one of the guys.
I tweeted it, so you can find it on my Twitter timeline.
But they're essentially saying...
The new inventions over the next 12 months are just going to blow people's minds.
So apparently they're working on some really heavy duty stuff when it comes to neural implants.
Things along those lines I think he was mentioning.
Darpa's biotech chief says 2017 will blow our minds.
The Pentagon's Research and Development Division, the creative force behind the internet and GPS, retooled itself three years ago to create a new office dedicated to unraveling biology's engineering secrets.
The new Biological Technologies Office has a mission to harness the power of biological systems and design new defense technology.
They're going to make Terminators.
Right?
Over the past year, with a budget of about $296 million, it has been exploring challenges including memory improvement, human-machine symbiosis, and speeding up disease detection and response.
Fuck, dude.
Listen to what that says.
Human-machine symbiosis.
They're making a fucking Terminator.
They're gonna make a Terminator.
100%.
If someone comes along and one of the first pieces of artificial intelligence is a soldier, a machine soldier that makes no mistakes, feels no emotion, does everything it's told, can send back data in 4K in real time, and you watch on a screen through its eyes and tell what to do and it's invincible.
What?
Of course they're gonna build that.
jamie vernon
Why wouldn't we just send those to Mars?
joe rogan
We would.
Probably.
But people want to go to Mars because they want to be the first.
You know, I'm here.
We're doing yoga on Mars.
We're all amazing.
jamie vernon
Like I saw a couple of those, you know, they're not brand new but like robot assistants essentially where it's like a laptop or an iPad screen that's attached to a droid or a little robot and there's someone on there talking to answer questions or whatever and they can control it moving around the room.
Have you ever seen those?
joe rogan
No.
jamie vernon
I kind of just walked by and I thought it was funny because there was three of them people were talking to and there's just one guy no one was talking to and he just looked bored just like moving around like someone talking like someone talked to me.
joe rogan
What was the most impressive thing for you at the event?
jamie vernon
Man, honestly, it was weird.
Probably just because I was looking for it, but that camera, that 3D stereoscopic camera.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
360 camera.
But again, I'm not sure if what I was seeing was the rendered video, because that's specifically what I kept asking to see when I would walk up to one of these guys.
I don't want to be pitched.
I just want to see what your rendered video looks like.
joe rogan
Right.
jamie vernon
What is the output?
Most of what I was seeing wasn't great or didn't look better than what's currently on the market except for that.
Then a couple didn't even do audio or you couldn't mix audio into it and for our purpose, which is I was looking for it to help here in the future, I was trying to knock that out.
There were a couple car things, mostly just the BMW 750, the coolest one.
They were showing those off there.
They're also doing test drives of like M6s and I think some of the self-driving cars maybe.
joe rogan
I think the 750 drives itself too.
I think that's the big one that does, but I believe it makes you put your hand on the wheel, but it'll drive, which is even freakier.
Like imagine it's driving for you, but the idea is like if it fucks up, like what am I doing then?
Why is my hands here?
jamie vernon
I didn't see it.
I didn't take it on a test drive myself, but they had one sitting out that you could get in and just sit in and whatnot with all the extra screens everywhere.
But the back seat, which probably is...
I probably just didn't know this.
It's basically like a first-class luxury seat.
You could lift your feet up, stick them on the back of the seat.
There was a place for them.
joe rogan
They have massage in them.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it was insane.
joe rogan
Yeah, they give you a back rub.
jamie vernon
Speaking of massage, I don't know if it's hot technology right now or if some companies are very smart knowing people are walking around this event tired and need a massage.
But the lines for massage chairs at CES were insane.
joe rogan
Well, think about this, Jamie.
You run all the time.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, how many miles a week do you run?
jamie vernon
I haven't been doing it very often, but at my height, probably 30, but maybe 10. 10 a week now?
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's going on with you now?
jamie vernon
I just kind of weight training instead of running.
joe rogan
Oh, getting yoked.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Young Jamie getting swole.
My point is, you're a very fit guy and you exercise on a regular basis.
So for you to walk 25 miles, if that's a strain for you, imagine what it is for a bunch of these fatties.
No offense.
No need to fat shame.
You know what you are.
No big deal.
You know, I mean, it's got to be really fucking hard.
If you're really poorly fed, you know, you're eating a bunch of shitty food, and you're out of shape, and you're overweight, and you're walking around CES geeked out of your mind on caffeine, it's probably a good start for the new year.
If we could just keep that going.
Walk 10 miles a day every day.
That weight will peel off you.
Find a hill.
Unless you live in Iowa.
Or, you know, some flat spot.
Find a fucking hill.
Walk up hills.
It's the hardest thing.
jamie vernon
I've got one right in front of my house.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
jamie vernon
It's 200 yards uphill.
joe rogan
Take a backpack.
Throw some fucking sandbags in the backpack.
Walk up the hill.
And then get off the trail.
Like, get off the trail and just walk up the hill hill.
Like, walk up the grass and the dirt so it slides and you have to correct yourself.
It's one of the best workouts you can do.
I was in pretty fucking good shape the first time I ever went hiking with Steve Rinella when we went hunting.
And just following him, walking up hills.
Did we die?
jamie vernon
It's the second time it's happened.
The video is still recording, but the stream is just kaputting.
joe rogan
So, do you think it's the machine, or is it the connection with YouTube?
We don't know.
Speaking of which, did you find any new streaming solutions?
Because right now, for people who don't know, we're using a TriCaster setup, and it's okay.
It's really good for the most part, but it has fucked us in the ass at least three or four times.
Pretty hard.
jamie vernon
There, there wasn't a lot of stuff, because it's...
Again, that was the consumer show.
Consumers aren't really out here streaming four or five different devices at once and all that.
But I did find a couple things that were close.
I don't know.
There were upgrades of stuff we used to use a couple years ago.
joe rogan
Well, if you think about how many episodes we have, what are we on, like 880 episodes?
896. Okay, there you go.
Plus all the fight companions and all that.
896. So think about that.
896 fucking episodes, and it's shit out how many times?
jamie vernon
Let's see, I knocked down to that.
So we probably did 400 or so on here, and it's probably shit out four or five times.
joe rogan
That's not good.
jamie vernon
One percent?
joe rogan
That's not good.
jamie vernon
Nah.
joe rogan
It's not very good.
jamie vernon
I mean, it shouldn't at all.
joe rogan
That's way too often.
I mean, maybe we're fucked up.
Maybe we did something wrong.
Maybe, I don't know, maybe our machine just got a weird bug to it.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I've reset it multiple times, and I have problems.
I do the protocol of update.
joe rogan
Do you think it's just because it's long-term?
I mean, we're doing these for hours and hours at a time.
It heats up.
jamie vernon
We do stress the hell out of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you think about what we do.
But you know what?
My friend Justin, when he was doing the Action Report...
jamie vernon
It's the same thing, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was streaming for six hours at a time.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I think every time I think that, I find another comparison.
It's like, well, they do just about as long...
joe rogan
Justin, I don't remember having any problems with his system.
jamie vernon
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
Maybe we got a WAC system, dude.
jamie vernon
It could have been.
Lemons happen with cars from time to time.
There could have just been some component in here that was bad that we've gotten around working with that now it's just not going to work anymore.
joe rogan
Cars are another interesting thing along the same lines that we were talking about earlier about technology is that it's reaching this point where, like, there's way too much car for, like, what you need.
Like, they're putting out these cars, like, right out of GM, right?
They have this new Camaro.
Have you seen the Camaro ZL1? It's insane.
I think it has five...
I don't know how many horsepower it has.
Find out how many horsepower it has.
650. 650. Jesus Christ.
And it's got a Corvette Z06 engine in it with a supercharger.
It's an unbelievable car.
Like, this is a 0-60, sub-4-second 0-60 car.
Massive, uh, all that, see that stuff in the front?
That's all designed to, like, keep the body down, all those aerodynamic little flares and stuff.
That's designed for downforce, so that this thing can go fucking screaming up to, like, 200 miles an hour.
It's crazy.
You could just buy that in a store.
You could go to the Chevy dealership and buy one of the most competent sports cars ever created.
Like that car, remember those Ferraris from a few years ago?
Like a 360 Modena or the one after that 458?
Those beautiful Ferraris?
That fucking car will bury one of those things.
I mean, into the dirt.
Goodbye, suck my dick, kiss my ass.
America, fuck yeah!
Screaming the entire time.
America!
Fuck yeah!
And it's $65,000?
$70,000?
Yeah.
That car is American muscle at its finest.
Plus technology.
Because, you know, real American muscles.
Kind of loose and crazy.
If you bought a real 1969 Mustang Mach 1, I mean, they're a gorgeous car.
I mean, it is a stunning piece of art.
But if you had to drive it today, you would be terrified.
You'd be thinking the entire time, like, oh my god, I'm driving a death machine.
Like, they're so bad in comparison to a brand new Mustang.
Like, if you bought a brand new Mustang GT, which I think you can get for $35,000, I think a new Mustang GT is like between $35,000 and $39,000.
And they are way faster, handle way better than anything top of the line from, you know, the 1970s.
Yeah, how much does this cost?
jamie vernon
$135,000.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
It's a stunning car.
That car has 420-something horsepower?
unidentified
435. 435. Crazy.
joe rogan
That's a beast of a car for 35 grand.
16 miles a gallon, 25 on the highway.
See, like, what they've done by continuing to ramp up the specs, ramp up the regular car that you buy from a dealership, is equivalent to, like, one of the best cars ever just 10 years ago or 20 years ago.
So the technology is so ahead of its time that you go back to 97 and you look at the cars that were like the top of the food chain back in 97, like they don't even compare.
They're just nothing like these things.
And they're going to keep doing it.
The only thing that, like, there were some cars from 97 that have some attributes that people like, like those old Land Cruisers.
If you bought a Land Cruiser from Toyota in, like, 97, you essentially got an off-road vehicle.
They had two solid axles, solid front axles, solid rear axles.
You could take those things and Just drive up the side of a fucking mountain in it with the right tires.
They were crazy beefy, like right out of the bat.
And so people to this day, they take those cars and they jack them up and put bigger tires and wheels on them and they put Corvette engines in them just because the configuration is so durable.
Like, they don't really make too many...
I mean, there's only a few companies that'll make like a real, a car that you could actually take right now and just go drive, like a Jeep.
A Jeep's a perfect example.
You could take a Jeep kind of like right off the factory floor and drive to most places that most cars can't get to.
Or at least drive to places that most cars can't get to.
But when you want to get further and further into it, they start doing all these crazy modifications to these things and make them so that they could literally just drive through the woods.
What are you looking up there, fella?
jamie vernon
I just remembered this badass supercar that I saw at CES. It was 3D printed.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
jamie vernon
It's called the Divergent...
I think the company that makes it is called Divergent 3D, and this is called the Blade.
joe rogan
Oh, do you sit in the middle?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a total badass?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, that needs to happen.
jamie vernon
I think the whole entire thing is 3D printed.
Shut the fuck up.
Probably down to the tires.
joe rogan
That is just such a...
That's like the Alien from John Carpenter movie.
Not John Carpenter.
Ridley Scott.
Ridley Scott's alien.
It's like if he drove a car.
Like it was on his planet.
Look at that thing.
One seat.
jamie vernon
Yeah, someone could probably sit behind you, too.
I was trying to find the specs to see.
I don't know.
joe rogan
How weird.
jamie vernon
I wasn't sure, too, either, though, if it, like, was it a car that can drive?
Or if they're just also in concept of showing, like, look, we can put these pieces out in 3D printing.
Because I saw a 3D metal company.
It's a company that was printing stuff in metal.
It looks like it works, though.
joe rogan
These cars today, man, it's really interesting because they're backed into this weird corner where how much better can they keep getting?
And how long before they're all automated?
Because it seems like just a matter of time.
It seems like just a few years from now, they're all going to be automated.
jamie vernon
That's what a lot of the companies were showing off their automation, like Mercedes, I think, Nissan, Toyota, even NVIDIA, the video game card company, was showing off, I don't know, exactly their software, I think, or their hardware that was being put into cars to show you how things were being read.
Like, this is a car, this is a light, this is a person, just how it's being recognized and whatnot.
I mean, it's going to go...
Mercedes was showing it, and I think BMW got into a car wreck, but I don't think it was their autonomous car that got into a wreck.
joe rogan
Look at that fucking thing.
Look at that goddamn car.
jamie vernon
And then Faraday...
joe rogan
We're looking at the Camaro ZL1, folks, who are just listening.
There's images of it online.
You can go look at it.
So what's a Faraday?
Didn't Fisker have a new car, too?
They came back, right?
The Fisker Karma?
jamie vernon
Yeah, but I don't know if they were showing this at the event.
joe rogan
So this is an electronic car?
jamie vernon
This is an all electronic car that was being shown off there.
They had a little issue with their reverse while they were doing their demo.
So again, one of the problems, nothing goes perfect.
I think they tried to announce this last year and they had some bigger issues.
joe rogan
Did you ever see the Volvo ad where the president of the company stands right in front of the Volvo and it hits him and sends him flying?
It's like, this has technology to avoid contact with humans and it just fucking runs him over.
He went flying.
That guy probably broke his hip on that.
jamie vernon
It's happened a few times when they've tried to do things.
People would stand in front of it trying to show off.
joe rogan
Chaz Bono's working for this company?
How dare I? Here's the car though.
unidentified
Ooh.
jamie vernon
I don't know if they're going to be a direct competitor.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a hologram?
It's a screen in the background.
jamie vernon
This is going to be a big competitor to another car like a Tesla.
I think they're going to be on the market this year.
If not already, I think you can pre-order them now.
joe rogan
Not very good looking.
jamie vernon
Not super sexy looking, which is a problem.
Tesla's are very sexy looking.
joe rogan
That's a problem.
I like how they have the gangster doors, though.
They have suicide doors in the back.
jamie vernon
Yeah, a lot of them were doing suicide doors.
The Volkswagen had a suicide door.
The doors went up.
joe rogan
Look at how the door shuts itself, too.
How about you save fucking battery power and let me shut the door?
What is that?
Everybody wants to be like a spaceman.
Door shut.
Shutting.
Shutting, Dave.
jamie vernon
How?
joe rogan
Shut the door.
That doesn't look good.
You guys had all this time to design this thing, spent all this money, and you made a fucking Lexus mom car.
jamie vernon
Well, I wanted to sort of ask you that.
I think that was one question.
So, you know when they do a car show, they'll show, let's say if they're going to do one this year, they'll show a car for 2020, and it's going to look super high concept.
By the time it comes out, it won't look that way.
joe rogan
Sometimes.
jamie vernon
That happens here too.
joe rogan
Yeah, well they smooth out edges and make things cheaper to build and there's a lot of cars that start out in concept form and then when they get ultimately delivered, they're disappointing.
You know, come out with a bunch of different things that they add to them that just turn out to be too expensive.
jamie vernon
Is that what it is?
They're just...
They try?
It's the same kind of idea?
They're just trying something?
joe rogan
It depends entirely on the car company, too.
Like Toyota.
Like, say if someone comes up with a...
No, Toyota has...
The most expensive car they sell is the Land Cruiser.
That big four-wheel drive SUV. That's their most expensive car.
It's pretty expensive.
It's like...
I think you get one...
They're all loaded.
You only get them one way.
And they're like 90-something.
Like 90,000.
so if you're building something that's going to get more upscale than that then it becomes a bit of an issue right doesn't that make sense accidentally i was looking for toyota supercars as this came up and the toyota supra might be coming out again Yeah, they're gonna.
jamie vernon
That's the one question.
Will it look like this when it comes out?
joe rogan
Yeah, right.
That's a perfect example.
That's a concept car.
I think it'll probably look a lot like that because that looks awesome.
I mean, if they wanted to make some money, but then all those angles and all that stuff, like is it more expensive?
Is it less expensive?
What do we do about that wing?
How's it deployed?
Is it mechanical?
How much does that cost?
What kind of brakes are we using?
It really gets into this weird area when it comes to these cars, but they also have to be stunning in terms of their ability because cars today are off the charts.
What you could buy from a Subaru WRX, just one of those little Subarus, that is an insane little car, you know?
And I don't think those are very expensive either.
I think that's in, like, Mustang GT range, right?
Where it's, like, in the 30s?
jamie vernon
Yeah, I think it's around 32 to 35, I guess, I'm pretty sure.
joe rogan
Take that to 1970 and you will destroy any car on the road.
Nothing comes close to it.
They would think you were from another fucking planet.
If you took that on a race car track, you'd be just blowing people away.
They'd be like, what in the fuck?
jamie vernon
Is it just particular car companies, or are a lot of the newer cars getting harder to fix, too, where they have to be fixed by the dealer?
joe rogan
They all have to be fixed by the dealer.
Everything is computer programmed now.
They have minds.
You know, the computer programmer, or the programmer, rather, that's running the car runs a traction control system, the lane change system, you know, accident avoidance system.
Some of them hit the brakes for you.
Some of them, alarms go off when you get close, so they've got sensors, they've got cameras.
jamie vernon
So getting your car fixed by a local guy somewhere...
joe rogan
It's not happening anymore.
Yeah, that's going to be phased out.
It's going to be all dealerships.
It's going to be like getting a computer fixed.
I mean, it's really going to be like a super high-tech computer with rubber and metal and all this jazz that connects it to the ground.
jamie vernon
That MK, Marquez Brownlee, I don't know how you say his name actually, but MKBHD on YouTube, he got a...
joe rogan
The dude who's been here?
Yeah, Marquez.
jamie vernon
I don't think he got a full lemon, but he had a Tesla issue, so he just got a new Tesla, and his, like, drivetrain was locking up.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
jamie vernon
And he got it fixed, and then he got it back, and it got locked up again.
joe rogan
Wrong dude to fuck over with a shitty car.
He should have fucking tested that one first.
That'll cost you some money.
Yeah, that guy gives really good reviews too.
His online reviews of technology are one of my favorites.
Him and Louis from Unbox Therapy are two of my favorites.
Yeah, man, those things are not perfect, but nothing electronic is.
What are you going to do?
Somebody fucks up.
Somebody put it together wrong.
There's some issues in the wiring.
Who knows?
jamie vernon
That's part of why I'm not always super convinced when someone goes full.
This is how it's going to be in the future.
Even today, with all the coolest shit we have, there are still major, major problems that haven't been fixed.
I don't see full fixes for them.
joe rogan
Which ones do you think can be fixed?
jamie vernon
Tesla's.
They'll fix that.
joe rogan
They'll fix that.
Oh, 100%.
Just stop and think about how clunky computers were just a few years ago.
When Windows 95 came along, think about how clunky the operating system was, the blue screen of death.
Computers were crap.
jamie vernon
But this still happens all the time.
joe rogan
Right, but not nearly as much as it did then.
Think about how many computers operate how many things all throughout your life and how rarely they crash.
If they crash 1% of the time, like the TriCaster, we get pissed, which were spoiled little babies.
Back then, when you had Windows 95, you had to back up things every 20 minutes.
You could fucking crash at any moment.
You were sticking in floppy drives and backing up files and stuff.
jamie vernon
True.
joe rogan
It's better.
It's better now.
It's going to be better soon.
Whatever the issues that they have with Tesla cars, or maybe it's just one Tesla that just somebody fucked up.
Maybe somebody just put a wire in that had a scratch and who knows?
Who the fuck knows?
I don't know anything.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
Maybe it's a cynic view of it.
joe rogan
I've had, let me tell you this though, I've had two of those Lexus, those big Toyota Land Cruiser trucks, the Lexus FF5750, LX5750, no, 570, LX570, that's what it is.
The big ass truck.
They fucking never brake.
Like nothing goes wrong with them.
Ever.
I mean ever.
Nothing goes wrong.
They just, every morning, start it, drive it.
Oh, it needs oil.
Bring it to the place.
They put the oil in.
They check everything.
Everything's great.
See ya.
Bye.
No problems.
I'll try my Range Rovers.
It's a brand new Range Rover.
It's got one headlight on and fucking smoke's coming out of the hood.
Like, what happened?
Like, what?
What is the difference between a car that's like a super reliable car company Like Toyota.
And a car company, you know, like...
Like if you get a Maserati, you get a Maserati because it's beautiful.
You don't get a Maserati because you're planning on driving to the fucking moon.
And you need it to stay together.
It's not going to.
It's just not.
It sounds awesome.
You start it up...
But if you get that car, you're getting it because it's sexy.
You're not getting it because it's well designed.
jamie vernon
Okay.
Yeah, I guess.
I don't know.
I want everything to be awesome.
I think it should have already happened sometimes.
joe rogan
You're like those kids in that Lego movie.
jamie vernon
Everything is awesome.
joe rogan
Do you remember that?
jamie vernon
I didn't see it.
joe rogan
Everything is awesome.
Dude, it's a cute movie.
I saw it with my kids.
My kids love the Lego movies.
But I enjoyed it.
I genuinely enjoyed it.
The Lego movie was good.
jamie vernon
I just saw a commercial for the newer one.
I think it's got Batman on all the Warner Brothers.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie vernon
It looks okay.
joe rogan
Dude, they're fun!
They're really well written.
They're fun.
I mean, you gotta, you can't be waiting for things to be deep.
I'm tired of deep, Jamie.
I'm really, really tired of it.
I'm less deep every year.
For real.
Like, something that Ron White said when he was on the podcast, keep lying and stay drunk.
Like, I'm paraphrasing.
Stay drunk and keep lying.
I mean, in some ways, the best way to handle things is not go deep.
I feel like we're clinging to simplicity with the last of our fingernails.
That's what I think.
And I think just sitting on your fucking back porch, smoking a cigar, drinking a glass of lemonade, I think that's a thing of the past in just a few decades.
I think we're going to enter into some super bizarre world that's, like DARPA's talking about, symbiosis, human-computer symbiosis.
I mean, people complain now that kids don't go outside.
They're sitting at home every day playing Xbox.
Just imagine what it's going to be like when we get to these really intense augmented and virtual reality spaces.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
Are you scared?
jamie vernon
No, I think of that stuff about kids all the time.
I don't have one, so I can't...
I don't see the day-to-day, their interactions and how they're different to mine, but I just compare.
Because my generation, I just turned 34, but I feel like I've just missed out on so many things.
The year after I left high school, they got, like, tablet PCs for everyone.
It's, like, literally the year after I left.
And, like...
joe rogan
You were the last.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's good.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
But talk about you.
jamie vernon
Maybe.
joe rogan
One day if you have kids, my dad grew up, they didn't even have the tablet PCs in the class.
The year after he got out, that's when they came in.
unidentified
Whoa.
jamie vernon
But I don't know how things would have been different had we had them.
Because whatever we know...
A lot of people always look back like, if I could go back to high school now with everything I know...
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I'd dominate.
jamie vernon
I'd kill everything.
joe rogan
You know what you would do?
You wouldn't be nervous.
That's why you would dominate.
But if some kid decided to kick your ass, he'd still kick your ass.
That would be disturbing.
jamie vernon
But I didn't even mean it.
On the whole thing like that, I'm just going on specifically a technology run.
If I took all my computer knowledge I have now and had an iPad when I was in high school, and we could communicate with everyone throughout the whole high school all day at any time we wanted to, whereas we were writing notes.
I found a note from a girl in high school not too long ago in a box.
unidentified
A note?
jamie vernon
It's a literal note.
joe rogan
Dear Jamie.
jamie vernon
Yeah, dumb shit.
joe rogan
How I miss your touch.
jamie vernon
Stupid questions of like, this is what's going on in fourth period.
joe rogan
Do you like me, yes or no?
Check here.
jamie vernon
Like that, they might write notes still today.
That might still be a thing.
It probably is.
I don't want to be that naive, but like...
The purpose of it isn't there anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's way more text messages than notes.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
And then FaceTiming people.
We couldn't...
That wasn't even a possibility.
We had to literally...
If I wanted to call...
If I was in school with your kids, I'd be calling your house.
Like, hey, is so-and-so home?
Can I talk to them?
They go get them.
And then we get to talk for 20 or 30 minutes maybe.
joe rogan
Yeah, what was the first year where Skype came out?
Where people started Skyping?
jamie vernon
Probably within the last 10 years.
I mean, there was light video communication back then, but it was terrible.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the things that Apple has nailed, having FaceTime in its operating system.
So it automatically works.
You know, you don't have to download anything.
You have to go get Skype.
Like, if you have an Android phone, do you have to download Skype, or does it come with your phone?
jamie vernon
I don't know, but I think that they have a thing, too.
joe rogan
They have an Android thing, too?
But what's fucked up is it doesn't communicate with the Apple thing.
Everybody's got to come to...
jamie vernon
There's new apps, too.
You can do it through Facebook now.
There's a new one that's blowing up right now called House Party, which you can have eight people on, and everyone can be having a video chat.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's an app that you have to download.
It should be just like a phone call.
jamie vernon
It should be.
joe rogan
Like phone to phone.
It should be phone to phone communication with Android to Apple.
It seems silly to me that they go proprietary on that.
Apple's got a bunch of really sneaky ways to keep you around, man.
That iMessage is one of them.
FaceTime is another.
What is it when they airdrop?
Airdrop's another one for images.
No compression.
Sends it through Bluetooth.
It's amazing for videos and pictures and stuff.
jamie vernon
To say it's a problem isn't the right word, but that they are like the only record label, basically, a record distribution place.
They control a lot of it.
That's kind of crazy, too.
joe rogan
It is.
Well, it's interesting, too, that a lot of musicians complain about that.
Like, Apple is the biggest music company in the world now.
jamie vernon
They take 30% of every transaction.
joe rogan
Do they really?
jamie vernon
I'm pretty sure.
joe rogan
Well, they win.
jamie vernon
That's so, like, they definitely win.
Everyone wanted an answer, there is an answer, and it's like, well, now you're not necessarily happy with the answer, but you got one.
joe rogan
It's a very weird company in that regard, because it's also, like, the loyalists, the Apple loyalists are so extreme.
Like, people who worship at the cult of Mac and Apple, like, I had a conversation with a dude who was sincerely bummed out that I started using a Windows computer.
It's, like, so sad.
It was really sad.
It's like, come on, dude.
It's a fucking computer.
It's just a computer.
Just relax.
You know what I do?
I type words.
I type words and I look at porn.
And I re-dig.
I read a few things.
There's not a lot of processing power going on here.
I'm not making videos.
There's nothing on it.
I just don't understand why everybody would get so attached to a company.
jamie vernon
It's a brand loyal thing.
It's weird.
unidentified
It's real weird.
joe rogan
Brand loyalty is real weird.
This is Chevy country.
If you listen quietly, you'll hear Ford's rustin'.
There's so many dorks like that.
Like they have Calvin and Hobbes.
Like he's standing on the Chevy logo, pissing on the Ford logo.
Imagine putting that on your car.
Imagine being that fucking stupid.
If you're listening to this and you have that on your card, don't change.
Stay yourself, man.
It's alright.
Change if you want to, but don't worry about me.
What else did you see there?
Anything else worth discussing?
jamie vernon
Let's see.
joe rogan
How long were you there?
For one day?
jamie vernon
I got there Friday and Saturday.
joe rogan
And when did you feel the stomach flu coming on?
jamie vernon
Wednesday night.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
jamie vernon
I powered through.
I was also kind of like wondering, I could have just been one of those 24 hour things where I was like, I feel like shit now.
I can feel great tomorrow.
So I just went ahead and went.
joe rogan
Was your stomach rumbling the whole deal?
jamie vernon
No, not the whole thing.
I kind of just picked up a cough and just felt weak and worn down kind of thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
That makes you appreciate feeling healthy, doesn't it?
You're feeling a little shitty right now, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Not 100%.
But you know that feeling where you're like, man, when I get healthy, I'm drinking fucking vegetable juice every day.
I'm not fucking around anymore.
I'm limiting myself to one glass of wine.
No sugar.
No this, no that.
I'm going to take my probiotics.
I'm doing yoga twice a week.
You start thinking of all the different ways you can keep yourself healthy.
jamie vernon
And being in Vegas isn't the best place to think about that, too.
unidentified
It's the worst.
joe rogan
It's the worst for your soul, too.
Like, your soul's tugged at the gambling.
Come, take a chance, Jimmy.
unidentified
Take a chance.
jamie vernon
I wonder what they'll do there, because smoking weed passed, right?
So how do you think they might handle that there in the future?
joe rogan
Well, they're going to have to handle the extreme paranoia of a bunch of stoners going in there like, Dude, I don't want to lose all my money!
unidentified
Ah!
joe rogan
They're gonna go into those casinos, and they're gonna...
Well, I think if I was running a casino, I would try to figure out a way to capitalize on the stoners.
The big money that they make, apparently, is those fucking huge disco places, like Hakkasan, where they get those DJs to come in.
Somebody was telling us.
Who the fuck was telling us about this?
How much they get paid?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Was it Russell?
Was it Russell?
It might have been Russell the other night because, you know, Russell hates those electronic DJs because he's into, like, old-school hip-hop DJ, and he is a DJ. But when you hear how much money people pay to get into those things, like, some dudes are paying, like, 500 bucks each to get into those things.
jamie vernon
More than that.
joe rogan
More than that?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
How much more than that?
jamie vernon
For like a table.
joe rogan
Oh, if you want a table.
jamie vernon
But that's something.
You still got to buy the bottle for a couple thousand and then pay per head to get in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
And girls get in for free, but guys definitely don't.
joe rogan
Well, they were saying at a certain point in time, even girls had to pay $150.
jamie vernon
If you go late, probably, yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy money.
I mean, that is just swarming money.
And then there's all the alcohol money on top of that.
Those are probably the biggest generators of income other than crazy gambling guys that just come in and blow their whole wad.
jamie vernon
It's $100 to buy a ticket right now for this weekend if you want to get in.
That's pretty ahead though.
joe rogan
That's ahead of time.
100 bucks.
unidentified
But they have open container laws.
jamie vernon
You're allowed to walk around all over Vegas drinking.
You can buy it anywhere you want.
You can walk around and drink right in front of a cop.
joe rogan
Here's an interesting thing too.
It's sort of an unspoken thing, but those Hakkasan places, all those places, there's booze flowing, for sure, but there's also pills.
A lot of those people are on MDMA. How many of those people?
What percent?
It's like, if you could light people up, if a little thought light bulb popped up on their head when you looked down the dance floor and all the different people that are on MDMA, what is it, like 30%?
If you had a guess.
jamie vernon
Man.
joe rogan
30% is being very reasonable.
unidentified
I know.
jamie vernon
I was going to go with at least 50, but I feel like that's even low.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It literally might be like 60% of the people are on ecstasy.
It's like, do you roll?
Are you rolling?
No, I don't roll.
Whoa.
Crazy.
Why are you here?
So it's...
If you're a casino, okay, and you know that all these people are in ecstasy, and you start counting all the 20 bucks pills, you start counting, we're missing out on $150,000 a night in ecstasy sales.
Who's selling the ecstasy?
Who's the guy?
Where's all that coming from?
How's it getting in?
Who's aware of this?
jamie vernon
They have to know.
joe rogan
Do they have to know or does it all come from outside?
Maybe it's all completely detached.
Maybe they don't want to know.
Maybe they know that they need the ecstasy in order to keep the business running.
Because like, I don't know.
See, here's the thing.
These rooms where people just get together and dance with a guy on a turntable that's just sort of pressing play and all this electronic music and lights.
This is a recent human phenomenon.
This didn't exist.
30, 40 years ago, people would...
It was Saturday Night Fever.
I mean, they had disco balls.
That was like the best light show you got.
Oh my god, the light goes off the ball.
It's crazy.
Now they have laser shows.
The music is insane.
You know, confetti's getting shot through the air.
These people have stage shows.
The strobes.
Like, look at this.
Where's this?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
Random Vegas party.
joe rogan
Dude, this is insane.
I mean, just the visual splendor of it all.
The LED show or LCD. Well, actually LED, right?
Light emitting diode displays.
It's crazy.
I mean, it's beautiful to look at.
And all these people have glow sticks.
Like that, when you see glow sticks, those people are on ecstasy.
Those people are fucked up.
A lot of them.
Like a good percentage.
Like, look at the size of that place.
jamie vernon
That's the big concert they do in the summer called Electronic Daisy Carnival.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
jamie vernon
But this is also in the middle of the summer when it's, I don't know, 150 degrees out there.
joe rogan
How many people are just dropping dead?
jamie vernon
Sweating their dicks off.
joe rogan
They just cart them off and throw them in a hole in the desert.
jamie vernon
And this whole wall is like a big LED show.
joe rogan
Wow.
jamie vernon
So, like, I don't know what you're enjoying on there if you're not on MDMA. Yeah, you'd still enjoy it.
joe rogan
If we were high, we would enjoy the shit out of that.
You go and smoke a bunch of weed and go and stand there?
jamie vernon
Do you think people would pay the same prices they pay for alcohol?
They'd pay those for weed if they could smoke them in there?
joe rogan
The problem with smoking in there is assholes would light people on fire.
I don't know if they would do it at this place.
Rarely would you find...
Even in a group full of peace-minded hippies, you're going to find one or two dickwads that want to light someone's hair on fire.
You know, like dropping ashes on their hair or something like that.
jamie vernon
So you can't really do it in that kind of environment.
joe rogan
When people are closed in together, smoking is fucking dangerous.
Not that dangerous, you know?
Like, you're thinking about burns to your face or...
I mean, haven't you been burned by people?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, we all have.
Like, accidentally their cherry drops on you and you're like, what the fuck?
And, like, your hand's on fire.
You don't know why.
It's because some drunk is hovering over you with their cigarette while they're talking and it just drops on you.
That happens.
I mean, that's a minor thing.
I mean, anytime you get a giant group of people together like that, though, you run risks.
If they could give away pot...
See...
The problem with selling it, even if you're selling it, is you're going to be responsible for all these people having heart attacks.
If you give them edibles, give them that goddamn spray that Joey Diaz just pumps in his mouth like it's nothing.
This stuff is so powerful.
It's so powerful.
It's psychedelic.
It's very much like acid in a lot of ways.
When you get a high dose of the THC sprays.
So if you were doing this experience on that, if you could keep it together, it would be wonderful.
But a lot of people are going to get super paranoid and freak out and have panic attacks.
So you're not going to want to sell them edibles.
It's too strong for most folks.
You know, especially people that don't regularly dabble in it, they won't know how much to take.
It's not like booze.
Like, if someone gives you a shot, you take a shot, you're like, holy shit.
Like, you feel it pretty quick, right?
Someone gives you a couple shots, you're like, oh, jeez, I gotta stop, I gotta settle down.
Or you go crazy.
But you know what a shot does.
Like, a couple sprays of this, who the fuck knows what's gonna happen?
You don't know.
You're taking a chance.
Hey, eat this cookie.
Okay.
You don't know.
You're taking a chance.
A cookie might be like a shot, or it might be like a whole bottle of vodka.
It might be so much of a hit that you're paralyzed and you just want to lay in a fetal position on the ground.
So anytime you get a giant group of people like this, alcohol is like the safest bet if you want to sell it to them.
Everybody knows how to deal with alcohol.
Whether they deal with it poorly or not, you kind of know the numbers, you know?
Oh, I had five beers.
Dude, don't drive.
You're fucked up, you know?
Oh, I had one shot.
Well, you're at 350 pounds.
You probably barely feel it, you know what I mean?
Like, we all know what the tolerances are.
It's pretty universally acknowledged.
I'd love that a place like this exists, though, man.
That these kids can get together and just go fucking bananas.
Because you can make some life decisions in these kind of rooms.
You can decide how you're going to live your life.
For real.
Because if you work every day like Joe Smith on that fucking construction site, and you show up even with your gold WBC belt, and every day is hammering nails and picking up wood and thinking of the time you have off, sometimes you can go to a place like this And you just experience joy and laughter and fun and partying.
And you start to think about your job job, your real job, and you start to dread it.
You start to really dread it.
You start to really get sick.
And you start to think about all these people that are putting on these electronic carnivals.
Why can't I do that?
Or you think about something else you do.
I got to make a living making furniture.
I love making furniture.
I fucking love designing it.
I've got to figure out a way to open up a shop.
And then maybe something like this, just these moments when you're away from the grind and you're just in this fantasy land and you hear and everyone's on ecstasy and people are walking by touching everybody's chest and everybody's laughing and you just realize like this is all temporary.
This whole experience is temporary and I'm wasting so much of my temporary time doing bullshit.
That I don't want to do.
unidentified
And everybody tells you, well, I want you to take over the family plumbing business.
joe rogan
I don't want to plumb!
I don't want to clean out anybody's broken shitter.
I want to make those LED lights that turn into floating mushrooms.
I want to make those.
Somebody has to make that.
That's a job.
I have to figure out how to get that job.
That would be the shit.
I mean, all these people that we have to rely on, that we keep, you know, go to CES every year, all those people that you have to rely on, like, all those people pretty much had to take a chance.
All of them.
Pretty much everybody that's doing any of those things where they're putting out these new technologies and showing all these new inventions, all of them had to be, like, disenfranchised or disenchanted with something and just, I gotta take a chance.
This is what I want to do, and then this is what I'm gonna pursue.
What else did you find there?
Anything else?
Because we've got to wrap this up soon, I think.
jamie vernon
I think that was honestly, I didn't see tons of stuff that was blowing my mind this year.
I saw a couple cool things.
joe rogan
What was the phone?
jamie vernon
Oh, the phone, yeah.
So, the interesting thing about it, I'll try to, I even had a little bit of my video.
joe rogan
Who made it?
jamie vernon
Huawei.
joe rogan
Huawei?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's Huawei?
What's, uh, is it an Android phone?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it does run an Android thing.
joe rogan
That's it right there?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Huawei.
Who makes Huawei?
jamie vernon
That's the company.
The phone was called like a Mate 9, I think.
It's the model of their phone.
I was asking this guy a question about it because what it does is it has a really good lens on it, or two lenses actually.
And so it's doing this thing called aperture And I forget what it was actually calling it, so I'm hitting this button here and trying to see what was going on.
So I was trying to figure out if it's actually doing lens blur, which is what a lot of people are always after when they're taking pictures.
They want a really good blur.
It makes your photo look good, which is what that portrait mode in the new iPhone is kind of all about.
joe rogan
Right.
So it keeps the foreground in focus and the background becomes blurry like a real camera.
jamie vernon
So I was just asking if it was actually doing it or if it was simulating it using software.
joe rogan
And what did he say?
jamie vernon
I'm pretty sure he was telling me that it was simulated using software.
That's why he was hitting that button.
That's why I kept putting my hand in front of it to kind of like see what was going on.
joe rogan
So the cool thing about the iPhone is it uses hardware doing that, right?
jamie vernon
Yeah, it's using the 2K, as far as I know.
And then again, it could be doing some other stuff.
It's not the same as me grabbing my DSLR camera and having a really good lens and finding the focus point and all that sort of thing.
It's not the exact same as that.
joe rogan
So if you did that with a camera, you'd be able to tell the difference in the quality of the image?
jamie vernon
That's sort of what I was just going on.
I was like, I kind of should, I would be able to tell, I feel like, just by looking at it, if it's real or not.
It didn't look real to me.
It could have just been a trick, and I might not have been, I might have just been looking at something I didn't think I was seeing.
joe rogan
But, uh, What are these kids playing here?
What's this 3D game?
jamie vernon
This is eSports.
So this is the Intel booth.
They're doing a little bit of...
This is what an eSports game situation might look like in the future.
Because this is going like...
TBS is broadcasting a lot of eSports.
There's some other companies investing a lot in it.
joe rogan
How come they don't play those games on ergonomic chairs?
Like these Ergo Depot chairs?
jamie vernon
These are.
joe rogan
Those are ergonomic?
jamie vernon
Sort of.
They're like race car chairs.
joe rogan
Right.
But race car chairs, you sit back.
See, when you're playing a game, you lean forward, just like you use a computer.
jamie vernon
Some people do.
Most people, obviously, are leaning forward.
They also have extra pads in them, so you can kind of have your back in certain spots.
But what's going on here is on this screen above them, their gameplay is being rendered above their heads so that you can be viewing this in 3D space.
So if you had a VR headset on too, you'll be viewing these situations all differently in the future.
It's kind of just like a concept I'm pretty sure they were showing.
joe rogan
Dude, these chairs we use are so good.
I look at everybody sitting in other chairs.
I'm like, you poor bitch.
These ergonomic Capisco chairs.
Do those still have haptic feedback or sound that come out of them?
jamie vernon
No, those chairs don't really hear anything.
joe rogan
They're still doing that window thing, huh?
Where they have the window on the side of the computer where you look in?
jamie vernon
That one I was trying to show here has some e-ink display going on, which you can see it moving a little bit.
joe rogan
Oh, whoa.
Oh, that's dope.
So it just looks cool.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it just looks cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they've...
By having all these different companies making PCs, they open themselves up to so much weird innovation.
jamie vernon
This is one real cool thing, and again, this is one of those things I'm not sure if this is real or not.
This is called the TinyMose camera.
What they're saying this camera does, it's made specifically for shooting outdoor astronomy photos.
It's got the Google Star Maps built into it, and...
The reason I'm not sure on this is because I've tried personally to take photos of stars and the moon and different things in the sky at night.
It's A, really hard to do.
For one, if you're trying to take a picture of what they have down here, which would be like the galaxy where you can see the different gases and whatnot, you have to leave your aperture open for a long time, a couple seconds, and let the light get in there.
Opposite of that, if you're trying to take a picture of the moon and get a detailed picture of the moon, you've got to go really quick because there's so much light coming off of it.
It's just a snap second.
You have to have a really good lens and whatnot.
This camera is good for both, and it's about the same size as a point-and-shoot camera.
And it says that they're allowing you to take all these.
And I don't know exactly how because I couldn't take this outside myself and play with it.
joe rogan
What did they say when you asked them to describe how it works?
jamie vernon
I didn't ask.
I heard this guy giving a description to somebody else.
They didn't really give a great, this is all the data and this is how everything is, this is how it actually works.
They have a software which says it's like a patent pending on some noise reduction.
joe rogan
Huh.
jamie vernon
Filters, which would be reducing noise on your photo in sort of post after the fact, which I don't know if it's tricking it or if it's just removing some of the data from your picture to make it look like a better picture.
But it was being advertised on lots of different outlets as this is.
Maybe they actually got hands-on and I didn't and they got to see that it was proven.
joe rogan
Well, it'd be really interesting if it was true.
If you could just point a camera up and take a picture of the galaxy, that would be the shit.
But you would have to have no light pollution, correct?
I mean, there's no way it would see through the light.
You'd have to go somewhere.
jamie vernon
Right.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
What is this thing?
jamie vernon
So this is another, like, VR. This guy's flying around in space.
joe rogan
This is insane.
We're looking at this guy leaning forward.
He's got his forearms and his hands connected to these two handles in the front.
And in the back, his feet are strapped into this thing.
So he's kind of planking the whole time.
It doesn't look like there's anything on his stomach.
Is that correct?
Or is there something on his stomach?
jamie vernon
I don't...
I think so.
joe rogan
That's hard to do, man.
jamie vernon
It didn't look like the most comfortable thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, see, he's leaning on his forearms, and he's steering himself with his own body weight.
Well, that would be a fucking vicious workout, man.
jamie vernon
But when you're flying, I don't think you'd be laying on something, really, either, unless you were flying on, like, a carpet or, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, it's weird.
His body's not subject to gravity, but his stomach is.
His body's being pulled down.
So you'd have to really develop your...
I bet a lot of people are going to hurt their back on that.
Because you're going to do it, and you're going to strap yourself into that thing, and you're going to get to a point where you're too exhausted to keep planking.
jamie vernon
What it says up here in the corner underneath their little banner, it says it's good for exercise.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, it is.
jamie vernon
Strengthening your core and your upper body and all that.
joe rogan
Oh, dude, people are going to be bulletproof if they keep doing that.
Like, that's going to be one of those dance dance revolution type things where people start doing it and they get in shape because of it.
Because, like, this looks really hard to do.
Do you remember that thing that we had on the podcast that we reviewed that frog...
You remember the frog?
Brent, I believe Schaub was telling us about it.
But it's a weight thing that you do where you move your body forward and backward.
jamie vernon
Yes.
joe rogan
It's like a...
Do you know what I'm talking about?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
You actually move forward and backward with it.
I think it's called the frog.
But it looks remarkably similar to that thing.
So imagine if you have a game where you put virtual reality headsets on and you do that frog workout thing.
You can't find it?
Give it a try.
jamie vernon
I typed in frog and it's just giving me pictures of frogs lifting weights and stuff.
joe rogan
What about frog weightlifting equipment?
The frog.
The bullfrog?
No.
Is that it?
What it is, folks, is you know that the way a frog looks when it's moving across water, when it has those kicks with its back legs and its forelegs, and they come together and then they go apart.
Frog Fitness, there it is.
And this thing is this weird, it's got wheels on the front and wheels on the back, and you connect your feet to the base of it and your upper body to the front of it.
Scooch ahead so we can see these guys doing this.
Hey, look, I got a football.
But it's a serious piece of workout.
See?
Here, you see this guy moving with this thing back and forth and back and forth.
And I think you can change the resistance in those cables.
You can make it more difficult to do.
And apparently, it gets you in sick shape.
I've heard a lot of people talking about this thing saying it's a tremendous piece of strength and conditioning equipment.
jamie vernon
It's probably open.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's 130. Alright, we'll bring in Hunter Motz.
That'll be a podcast too.
But imagine doing this with like handles, virtual reality, and you're doing a game.
I mean, these guys are crawling along with this thing.
Imagine if you're doing this, but you think you're flying in a spaceship.
You know, you're shooting shit.
jamie vernon
We just need to get virtual reality into bigger spaces so we can be moving around and be playing with each other.
I think that's a big gap we need still, too, to be fixed.
joe rogan
Yeah, football fields.
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Virtual reality on football fields.
jamie vernon
We also don't want to be—we need to not—if we both have on headsets, I don't want to bump into you.
joe rogan
Yes, that's big.
jamie vernon
So we've got to figure that next step, too.
joe rogan
Interesting stuff, Young Jamie.
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