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Dec. 13, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #885 - Tom Segura
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tom segura
01:09:06
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unidentified
Oh shit Tommy Buns we're live!
tom segura
Yo, dawg.
joe rogan
What's up, brother?
tom segura
What's up, man?
joe rogan
We already did a podcast.
tom segura
We totally did.
joe rogan
Yeah, we just went off.
We started going off about everything.
tom segura
I was really lost in it, too.
joe rogan
Me, too.
unidentified
Well...
joe rogan
Excuse me, folks.
We're slightly intoxicated.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what happens.
DJ Dadmouth.
tom segura
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Have you done any variations to DJ Dadmouth now?
Have you gotten bored with it?
tom segura
Well, I'm totally bored with it.
I just stopped doing it.
joe rogan
You decided to stop?
tom segura
Well, I just haven't actually done that much morning TV shows lately.
So there was a bunch of those in a row.
joe rogan
How's that?
Goddammit, folks.
I'm sorry.
I didn't even drink the buttered coffee.
Did you decide to just stop doing those things?
tom segura
No, I mean, if I was doing morning press tomorrow and I just wanted to do something to entertain myself, I would just do it again.
joe rogan
I met a lot of really nice people on morning TV. Yeah.
But it's the most restrictive venue.
tom segura
It's a bad idea.
From the thing is here, comedy clubs are just thinking, we've got to let as many people know about you to sell tickets.
There's a certain point when you're a certain type of comic, basically, where you're like...
My audience is not going to find me there.
People aren't going to come because of...
I just feel like it's a waste of time with certain comics to do Good Morning Toledo, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, like what percentage of the people that are watching Good Morning Toledo would like your act?
tom segura
Yeah, it's real low.
It's not high.
You know what I mean?
So you go...
joe rogan
Are you sure though?
Like who watches those?
Who watches those morning shows?
If you had a guess.
unidentified
Housewives?
tom segura
If I had a guess, mostly yeah.
I would say mostly.
joe rogan
Mostly Housewives.
tom segura
Yeah.
With their children, young children.
And then the guy's like, I'm going to show you how to make chicken that really isn't here when we come back.
joe rogan
What about retired people?
Would that be on the demographic?
tom segura
Probably.
Yeah.
And then you know what you don't see a lot of at my shows?
Like moms, state-owned mom or whatever, and retired people.
Yeah.
They're not at the show.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a totally different art form, folks.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't really cross over that much.
tom segura
But they don't think of that.
They do the blast.
joe rogan
Some people are good at it, though.
tom segura
Yeah.
No, some are good.
joe rogan
Did you ever see Tracy Morgan when he pulled his shirt off and started hitting his stomach and he was saying that someone was getting pregnant?
tom segura
That's probably the best good morning anything of all time.
And he was in Chicago, and I think he ends it with, he goes, Horace Grant, holler!
Which is, you know, the old power forward for the Chicago Bulls.
That was such a great fucking improv line right then.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
tom segura
That was like the button on the whole thing where you're like, Jesus, he just shouted out Horace Grant.
And he told him to holler.
It's so funny.
It's the best one.
joe rogan
Tracy Morgan's fucking hilarious.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was slapping his belly.
unidentified
And he was saying someone was getting pregnant.
tom segura
It's absurd.
unidentified
This is a making call.
So people are going to pay to see your show and they'll just see you smacking on your butt.
I'm taking all the power back.
Wait a minute.
tom segura
We've got a picture that we're so upset.
unidentified
I've got to take the power back.
Put it back on.
tom segura
Uh-oh, we just lost your microphone.
Oh, he's taking his shirt off.
joe rogan
You might wanna put the microphone...
This is Texas!
unidentified
Come on, don't go to break!
This is text.
Look at him dancing.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
This is just a sample of what people can expect.
More dancing, more shirtless action.
unidentified
Love!
It's all love!
I'm Captain James T. Kirk!
I went to Vietnam!
joe rogan
Tracy, one of your favorite characters you do.
unidentified
I gotta get them wheelchair gloves.
You want the black leather one with the fingers cut off?
I'm gonna stop asking you.
tom segura
Do a little bit of Spoonie Love.
unidentified
Can you do that for me?
joe rogan
This is the character you do on Crank Yankers.
tom segura
That's terrible.
That guy's terrible.
joe rogan
You might want to hold that up.
unidentified
Let me see.
Spoonie Love was, um, shame on...
No, I can't do Spoonie.
Spoonie was graphic.
Yeah, you're right.
I get his children watching.
But I did get his leg blown off in Vienna.
Well, clearly you have no problem taking your shirt off, so that's okay.
That's love.
That's sexism.
joe rogan
You know I'm a sex symbol.
Pretending he got his leg blown off.
unidentified
Sex symbol.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's nice.
unidentified
Come see me.
I'm at the comic script.
Not the comic script, but the comic script.
joe rogan
Tracy Morgan will perform this weekend.
unidentified
I love you.
I love you, Ted.
joe rogan
I love you, Ted.
unidentified
Tickets still available, folks.
tom segura
You know, who knows what's going to happen.
Dude, you know what I love?
Oh my god, this is funny.
joe rogan
Couldn't people hear that on YouTube?
tom segura
Okay.
That the Horace Grant reference in that Chicago one is such the funniest choice.
It's such a little detail.
Like that was so funny that he went like, I need fingerless wheelchair clothes.
unidentified
He's already thinking this is what it's like to sit in a wheelchair.
tom segura
But I love when the shout out, like it was in Chicago.
So you're thinking Bulls.
Anybody could have said, shout out to Michael Jordan, right?
Or second most famous, Scottie Pippen.
And it's still funny.
But like the reference to almost like, it was like an inside Bulls reference.
You know, it's like so specific to, you have, it's like the perfect third on the list name to shout out.
And plus the name sounds better.
Horace Grant is just a better name to yell.
You know, the name Horace.
Horace Grant!
unidentified
Holla!
tom segura
And then the newscasters are like, alright, see you later.
They don't know what to do.
It's so funny, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, that guy was trying to get him to do impressions while he was in the middle of this awesome rant.
tom segura
That wasn't Chicago, by the way.
joe rogan
Where was that?
tom segura
That was Texas.
joe rogan
Why was that guy trying to get him to do impressions while he was in the middle of that amazing rant?
tom segura
He didn't know what to do.
joe rogan
Do you think the people were in his ear?
Were they telling him?
tom segura
They're like, yeah, probably.
Watch him.
unidentified
Watch out.
joe rogan
Get him to change it.
Get him to change it.
Change the subject.
Do they put something in his ear, do you think?
Do those guys have earpieces?
tom segura
Yes, usually.
Most of the time, yes.
joe rogan
Earpieces are weird, man.
When someone's talking in your ear and you're talking, it is one of the most distracting things.
It's very difficult to hear someone talk and then still maintain.
tom segura
You guys do that in the fights.
joe rogan
Very rarely.
They're so good at it.
tom segura
But when you pop it in, they never talk?
joe rogan
They never talk over me.
I mean, they're so good.
tom segura
Is that earpiece feeding you anything, though?
Yeah.
joe rogan
The producers, we can talk.
We can ask them about a specific replay.
Like, show me that again.
Can you show me that for an overhead?
I want to see where that landed.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or things along those lines.
And sometimes Mark Delagrate and I will have conversations.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I'll ask him, like, is this a good thing, a good piece of advice that someone's given?
Do you agree with that?
And he and I will have discussions about, like, whether we agree with certain tactics.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
Which is an interesting discussion, because Mark is, like, a real world-class trainer.
tom segura
Knows a lot about Muay Thai, specifically, and a lot about MMA. Do they ever feed you something where it totally blows your mind?
Like, oh shit, I didn't realize that's what happened?
joe rogan
Yeah, sometimes.
God damn it.
unidentified
Yeah, me too.
joe rogan
Yeah, sometimes you'll see something.
Like, they'll see something in a replay.
Maybe someone catches it, like a break of an ankle or a weird roll of a knee or something like that.
They'll say, like, watch this.
Look at his ankle.
Look at his ankle.
tom segura
And then you go, oh shit.
joe rogan
They'll show it to me.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I go, oh yeah.
So we'll have a conversation.
Like, oh yeah, we need to show that.
And then we'll replay something.
tom segura
Wow.
I was thinking too, I was watching, I was just looking on Instagram that you were in Toronto and you did a show and then you did the fights the next day.
And I was thinking as like watching you do the call the fights, I was like, man, there's no other broadcaster in the major sports where like the night before he had as good a time as you did.
You know?
Like, there's no way Al Michaels and Chris Collingsworth are like, tonight we're gonna fucking party with, like, fans, and then tomorrow we'll call the Cowboys and the Giants.
Like, that never happens, for sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
You get to, like, really have the best trips that are work trips when you think about it, you know?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, they're so fun.
tom segura
It's fucking nuts.
joe rogan
But even when I don't do a show...
tom segura
You still love the fights.
joe rogan
UFC is awesome.
tom segura
Of course.
joe rogan
Live, watching live fights, man.
Especially now that I loosened up my schedule, so I go like half as much.
It's only North America.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
None of those big crazy trips, they just take too long.
They break you down.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It takes too many days to recover from them.
tom segura
It's killer.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It kills you.
But on top of that, that's the right amount for me.
Yeah.
To just still be super enthusiastic about it.
tom segura
There's nothing like it.
I mean, I'll tell you, I didn't become a hardcore MMA guy, but now I watch it casually and enjoy it.
But the whole reason is that I went to it live.
Going to it live changes your perspective completely.
joe rogan
There's nothing like it.
Yeah.
I've only been to a few other sports live.
I've been to baseball games, been to basketball games, been to a hockey game.
tom segura
Basketball live will change your perspective.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Just how enormous they are, how athletic, how fast the shit is.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's incredible.
When you see the footwork and the movement, when they're doing some sort of a crazy layup, it's like, god damn, super athleticism while people are trying to stop you from doing it.
tom segura
And there's 10 people in not that much space when you're at basketball live.
You're like, that's not...
That much room, especially on a half court, you know?
joe rogan
It takes this laser beam focus to be able to stop and put that ball exactly where you want.
What an interesting skill.
tom segura
To the way that they pass.
Actually, you know, LeBron's like, on top of being this super athlete and everything, his passing skills are absurd.
You can look at a passing reel at him and you're like, how did he even...
I think even people that play basketball, how did you even do that?
Because...
He'll go in a direction and anticipate that someone's going to be somewhere else within seconds, and then will, behind his head, pass it, and you just can't put it together.
joe rogan
Do you think these are things they work on?
They must work on that, right?
tom segura
I think so.
I think they work on it, but I think at their level and players like at his level, it's just second nature.
joe rogan
There's so much improvisation.
tom segura
Absolutely, yeah.
joe rogan
So it's kind of a creative game in a lot of ways.
tom segura
Dude, yeah, it's really fucking amazing to watch high level.
High level anything.
I mean, I don't like soccer that much, but I will watch, like I don't watch it regularly, but when World Cup comes on, I'll turn into like a mini fanatic.
joe rogan
You gotta watch it with Ian Edwards.
tom segura
Oh, he's fucking really hardcore.
joe rogan
He's hardcore.
He has his own podcast about it.
tom segura
Just about it, yeah.
joe rogan
Him and some other dude.
Who's the other dude that he does it with, you know?
tom segura
Jason Galern, right?
joe rogan
Is it?
Galern?
tom segura
Well, Galern and him did it at one point, I know for sure.
unidentified
No shit.
joe rogan
That's funny.
tom segura
Galern's a really funny guy.
joe rogan
He's a fucking hilarious comedian.
tom segura
Really funny guy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We're talking about...
unidentified
I was going to bring something else.
joe rogan
I probably can't talk about this yet.
tom segura
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I was just going to say something nice, but I don't think we can talk about it yet.
But...
Martin Harris, that's who he does it with.
That's who he maybe does some with Galern.
Galern's a big soccer player too.
tom segura
Big soccer guy.
Yeah.
But high level, you ever watch like...
joe rogan
What's that little dude's name?
tom segura
Messi?
joe rogan
Messi, yeah.
Lionel?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, there he is.
We got it queued up.
Jamie's a wizard.
Look at him.
He went to me.
tom segura
And this dude's like 25 or 26, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, and he's this just technical wizard, improvisational wizard.
tom segura
No, he's amazing.
I've watched these highlights, man.
I've watched a bunch of his because it's fascinating just to watch somebody that good at anything.
You know, if you told me, like, I just tweeted out this thing today about a dart player.
And they're like, this is one of the baddest motherfuckers in darts.
I'll watch that dude throw darts for hours.
Look at this.
Look at this.
joe rogan
Dude, this guy's a wizard.
tom segura
Look at this.
Just embarrassing people, too.
joe rogan
That's just wizardry.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That guy, like, he moves like a wizard.
It's like what he's able to do with that ball is just fucking astounding.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You have to be so much better than people to do something like that.
tom segura
And then the thing I always think about, remind myself of, is that he's so much better than people who are really great at it.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tom segura
You know?
joe rogan
Exactly.
tom segura
He's not playing me out there.
You know?
Like, those are other professionals.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
And he's just like, I'm gonna embarrass you, man.
You're not gonna want to talk to your wife or your mother after this game.
joe rogan
Well, occasionally there's fights like that, too.
tom segura
Yeah.
Look at this shit.
joe rogan
At least these guys.
They're getting humiliated, but nobody's getting hurt.
Look at that wizardry.
That is just fucking straight up wizardry.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
Like, his footwork is just...
It's like he's doing a different thing than them.
Did he get tripped over the referee?
Is that what happened there?
tom segura
It looked like it.
joe rogan
Is that what happened?
Did a referee get in the way?
Did a referee get in the way?
That's annoying.
tom segura
Dude, in football?
joe rogan
Get out of the way.
tom segura
In our football?
jamie vernon
That team was wearing stripes.
tom segura
There's some big-time fucking...
joe rogan
Collisions?
Oh, yeah, my God.
tom segura
Nasty.
Over-the-middle shit, where the guy's like...
And he's like 64. Oh, my God, no.
He just turns and just...
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
Do they die?
No.
No, but there's...
joe rogan
They're never the same again.
tom segura
You can't be on some of them.
unidentified
Can you imagine?
tom segura
Some of them are horrific men.
joe rogan
Imagine a regular person getting hit by a football player.
tom segura
Yeah, there's only a couple of refs that stand out as really in shape in football.
Most of them just look like a healthier, like a more fit, but normal-bodied guy.
Then there's Ed Hocules, and there's another guy who are a little more...
joe rogan
Jacked.
tom segura
A little bit, yeah.
A little bit.
joe rogan
There's this dude who invented this thing called the Iron Neck.
His name's Mike Jolly.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I'm going to get this out of my throat, folks.
I know it's as annoying to me as it is to you.
But he came by to...
tom segura
There's Hocules.
Come on, man.
He's 60-something.
Sorry.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that guy's gonna get krilled?
He's gonna get hit by something?
tom segura
No, but look, he's in shape, I'm saying.
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
tom segura
He's one of the, look how, he's an older guy, and he's definitely in shape.
joe rogan
Yeah, but even though, if you're an older guy and in shape, you're getting hit by an actual NFL player.
The point is, this guy came over here to demonstrate.
Jesus Christ.
He came over to demonstrate this thing.
He's a fucking giant.
That guy's huge.
He's just thinking, like, if this guy played football, if I played football, and he played football, and we ran into each other, that would be terrible for me.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, there's a different kind of person out there.
These, like, unless you've been around, like, a pro NFL player, you see him walk through a crowd of people, and you go, oh, man.
tom segura
I just met J.J. Watt.
I just met him, like, a month ago, and I was like...
Like, people call me, like, big fella that I meet, you know?
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
Big guy, big fella.
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
Hey, man.
I know, you're big guy, you know, all that stuff.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tom segura
And then in your head, you're like, I guess I am a big guy.
And then you meet...
That dude.
And I looked like a child next to him.
I looked like a little boy meeting a superman or something.
joe rogan
He's a giant human being.
tom segura
He's a giant, giant, enormous man.
joe rogan
They make people.
We watched or we looked at this Website that held up all the various heights and weights of NFL players from 20, 30 years ago in comparison today.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
It's like night and day.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
tom segura
When I was a kid, I remember linemen, which is the biggest players in football, We're like 275 was the standard weight.
And when people would say that, you go, that's a fucking humongous guy.
I mean, I'm like eight, nine years old.
You go 275. And that was like the thing.
And it was a big deal if a guy weighed 300 pounds.
And if you're over 300, you were an anomaly.
Like, you remember the refrigerator, the fridge, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
So that was like the thing.
He was like the biggest human in the NFL. And they called him the fridge and he was like fatter and everything.
But they couldn't believe, you know, it was a thing to be like, this guy's over 300 pounds.
Now, if you weighed 300 and you were playing on the line, you'd be underweight.
You'd be one of the light guys.
Because there's guys that are 330, 340 playing that position.
And athletic guys, too.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom segura
It's really huge, man.
Really, really huge.
joe rogan
How much bigger can they get?
Like, what's maximum size for a pro athlete?
tom segura
I thought about it.
I thought about that.
There was this guy who played, but he wasn't really great, but he was 6'8", 400. 6'8", 400 pounds.
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's a human being.
unidentified
Yeah.
Exactly.
joe rogan
Imagine if everybody was 6'8", 400 pounds.
The world would be a different place.
Completely different.
It's a different thing.
That's a different kind of human being.
unidentified
6'5", 289. But this guy is really fast.
tom segura
Really athletic.
Box jump.
unidentified
What?
What the fuck are you talking about?
joe rogan
Look what that just says.
It says he made a 61 inch box jump.
That is insane.
For the average person to understand how insane that is, how do you describe how insane it is to watch an almost 300 pound man launch himself literally five feet into the air?
tom segura
Here we go.
Look at this fucker, man.
joe rogan
That is fucking insane.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That is insane.
Look at the size of this prick.
tom segura
I stood in the middle of his back.
unidentified
Here we go.
joe rogan
Let's watch this.
Oh my god!
That's insane!
unidentified
Must have been the shoes, baby.
joe rogan
Wow.
I mean, he fucking launched himself in the air.
tom segura
Big fuck, man.
joe rogan
That's so hard to do.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what he just did, like, one tenth of, like, super athletes could probably do, right?
How many people could do that?
Jamie, you're a big...
jamie vernon
He's one of very few, and there's a couple guys that, I don't know, it's not five feet, but easily three, three and a half feet that jump out of the pool.
joe rogan
Oh, I've seen that.
jamie vernon
Some guys do that with weights in their hands, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, BJ Penn can do that.
So can Chad Mendes.
unidentified
Silly.
joe rogan
Crazy.
tom segura
Yeah, this is a...
joe rogan
But those guys are smaller guys.
tom segura
He's a humongous guy, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
BJ, he's fought as heavy as heavyweight.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, BJ fought.
tom segura
He fought heavyweight?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, he did.
tom segura
Was he like 5'9"?
joe rogan
What's that?
tom segura
5'9"?
Is that right?
joe rogan
Yeah, somewhere around there.
Yeah.
He fought Liotta Machida.
He fought Liotta Machida and Liotta Machida was clearly 200 plus pounds.
And Liotta Machida had knocked out Rich Franklin too.
tom segura
What's BJ's walk-around weight?
joe rogan
Now he's pretty light.
tom segura
Because he's fighting at 145. But if he wasn't at 5, would he be like a 160, 170 guy?
joe rogan
Yeah, if he got up, yeah.
If he wasn't doing a lot of cardio, I bet he probably walks around like 160 or something like that.
tom segura
But he won the 155 and he won the 170. What happened in that heavyweight fight?
joe rogan
He won.
tom segura
Oh, he won?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
I think he won to Lyoto Machida.
No, no, he lost to Lyoto Machida.
He lost a decision.
tom segura
That's a big deal.
joe rogan
See if that's true.
I believe that's true.
I think he lost a decision.
Does it say that anywhere?
I know he fought, he left the UFC and he fought a couple fights in other organizations.
He fought Bang Ludwig in Japan.
And he had a fight with Lyoto Machida.
You got it?
Yeah, that's it.
Look, Lyoto Machida, he was big back then.
Lyoto won a decision.
Yeah, crazy.
Lyoto goes on to be the UFC light heavyweight champion and BJ is now fighting as a featherweight.
It's fucking incredible.
tom segura
That's a really nutty thing that fighters do when you try to win and compete at different weight classes.
joe rogan
B.J. just didn't give a fuck.
He was so confident, particularly early in his career.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was one of the things about him when he would fight, he just had this intense belief in himself.
He would be super, super aggressive too.
He knocked out this dude, Kyle Uno, in like six seconds.
And Kyle Uno's a really good fighter.
Kyle Uno is very experienced.
He's fought a lot of, like, real world-class guys in Japan, and he was a real respected grappler.
And it was an interesting matchup because of BJ's grappling pedigree.
Like, BJ won the Mundials.
And Kyle Uno was thought to be, like, a really good grappler, a real solid wrestler and submission guy.
But BJ just stormed at him.
Just stormed at him and just starched him.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was crazy.
tom segura
He believes he's going to knock you out.
joe rogan
He was just so good.
People who didn't get to see him live when he was in his prime, BJ was so good.
He was so good.
Like when he beat Diego Sanchez.
I remember thinking, damn.
Like, that was what I think, what you'd call, like, peak BJ. Peak BJ was like, he beat Sean Shirk.
He destroyed Sean Shirk.
He was a really tough fighter.
Like, people forget how good Sean Shirk was.
Sean Shirk was like a human pit bull.
This dude was just jacked.
Super strong wrestler.
Just super, super aggressive.
tom segura
Did BJ go into it with a, like, a trained background or just like a scrappy fighter?
joe rogan
Well, he was very trained.
You know, he's very technical, especially on the ground.
He's really high level in his Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
Super technical.
tom segura
And he was like that when he came in to fight?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know when he started his striking out, but I know he got his black belt in jiu-jitsu in three years.
tom segura
Fast, right?
joe rogan
Bananas fast.
Like, one-tenth of one percent fast.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
I mean, for most people, getting a black belt in jiu-jitsu is like...
If you're a real phenom, you can get it in seven years.
tom segura
As a phenom?
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a few guys that'll get it earlier.
If you have some particular talent physically, which seems like a lot of people equate martial arts, rightly so, with technique is the most important thing.
It absolutely is.
But another thing that is almost as important as technique is physical dexterity of your body.
What you can do and what you can't do with your body.
Some people are super flexible, like BJ. BJ's ridiculously flexible.
And BJ would wrap guys up with his legs.
His legs are like weapons.
They're like arms.
So he chokes you with his arms and he's choking you with his legs.
He has incredible dexterity and flexibility with his legs.
And that's always made BJ particularly dangerous on the ground.
And he's just smart about fighting.
He just is very good at understanding when to push things, when not to, where he's, you know.
He just, you know, he's just, like with everybody, you only fight a lot of tough fighters, you're going to have some losses.
unidentified
Yeah.
You know, and that's essentially what happened to BJ. That's a fucking rough business, man.
joe rogan
It is a rough business.
tom segura
God.
joe rogan
BJ's still fighting.
Now he's going to fight this kid named Yair Rodriguez, who is a phenom.
Have you ever seen that guy?
tom segura
How long has BJ been fighting for?
joe rogan
I gotta say, shit, he must have started his career in the early 2000s.
tom segura
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
It's a long time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
It's a long time to fight.
joe rogan
Well, he was, you know, yeah, I would like to guess he probably started fighting somewhere around, well, let's find out.
2001 is his first show.
tom segura
There you go.
joe rogan
15 years of scrapping.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
It's a lot.
tom segura
Yeah, it's a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just when you see it live, you understand really firsthand what the actual real consequences of these exchanges are.
tom segura
Live for me was just also the excitement around it.
I mean, it's an arena.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Of people so jacked and for a fight.
And, you know, like I think you've said, like nothing in and of itself is as exciting as a fight.
You know, like a fight break, a fight in any moment is exciting.
But when you have an arena full cheering with, you know, the excitement to add to that, there's something you can't duplicate, you know, on an energy level.
joe rogan
Right, because the consequences are so high.
tom segura
The consequences are high, but there's like, there's an energy in the room of somebody walking up and you hearing that...
Like that, you know, it raises the hair on your neck, and you're like, oh god, and then with everything that lands, that cheering, whoa, man, it's just, it's, you can't, you can't mimic that, you know?
joe rogan
No, yeah, it's, you know, I hate the phrase because we've said it for so long, it's as real as it gets, but it is just, you know, what is it about a phrase when you say a phrase too long, they just stop meaning anything?
tom segura
People start to misuse phrases.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Hard work beats talent when talent refuses to work hard.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
I know that's true, but I fucking hate it when people say it.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, don't say it.
tom segura
Say it too much.
joe rogan
Can't say it anymore.
tom segura
I hate it.
joe rogan
That one's done, right?
tom segura
It's a fucking terrible, yeah.
joe rogan
But there's certain ones, like as real as it gets, like done.
tom segura
I don't want to hear it anymore.
He used to say, you got to stop and smell the roses sometimes to talk about life.
But then he just started antidepressants.
So I was like, oh, this is just like the medicine talking.
Because he was just always like, you know, and then you stop and you smell the roses.
And we're like, yeah, no, you said that three times already.
joe rogan
Hey, let me ask you this, dude, because you're in the middle of this wild...
It looks like my voice is back.
You're in the middle of this wild, crazy...
What bet with Burt Kreischer to see who can lose the most weight by January 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, right?
You're going to weigh in three days in a row.
tom segura
Are you going to MC it?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
tom segura
We're doing it at the Forum.
You know that, right?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah!
Where are you going to do it?
What's the Forum?
tom segura
The Forum is the...
joe rogan
Great Western Forum?
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's where the weigh-in's going to be?
tom segura
That's what I was told.
I don't know.
unidentified
Really?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tom segura
Actually, I think we'll do it.
Can we do it here?
unidentified
Does that work?
joe rogan
We could weigh in here live on the air.
We could do that, but if you want to do it live in front of a crowd.
tom segura
We can do it anywhere.
joe rogan
Did you guys really want to do it live in front of a crowd?
tom segura
No, no, no.
That's a joke.
unidentified
That's a joke.
joe rogan
Okay, I was like, man, you probably could do it.
tom segura
Yeah.
Right?
joe rogan
We get a couple thousand people in the forum to see you guys in your underwear.
tom segura
- I'll do it if we can get a couple of those ring girls, but that look way different than those.
I want really big ones, real heavy.
joe rogan
Real heavy ring girls?
tom segura
Yeah.
Then I'll do it.
joe rogan
That's fat shaming though.
If you start using heavy ring girls- This whole thing is fat shaming.
It doesn't matter.
You're a guy.
tom segura
That's true.
joe rogan
You can take it.
Guys, you never accuse guys of fat shaming.
This is how crazy that term is.
Ronda Rousey, who's of course, you know, former UFC bantamweight champion, all-time great mixed martial artist, she has this girl, Juliana Pena.
That is in her weight division and they talk shit to each other.
Or at least Juliana's been talking shit about Ronda Rousey.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Ronda Rousey, what she was saying was that Ronda Rousey has large arms.
She said she has fat arms.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
It was one of the things she was saying.
Which is so innocuous.
And people were saying that she was fat shaming her.
And I went, are you really seriously, first of all, protecting Ronda fucking Rousey?
tom segura
I think it's really more about that the lady that said it, that's, to her, such a horrible thing to say.
joe rogan
But they're going to fight, is my point.
Eventually, maybe.
tom segura
She's like, I might lose that fight.
I don't have fat ass arms like you do.
And that, to her, she's like, I'll always have these awesome arms.
unidentified
Really?
tom segura
I think, yeah.
Because, I mean, somebody to go after that, like, that's for her a big deal, you know?
unidentified
Those...
tom segura
But yeah, Rhonda doesn't need any defense.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Even if Rhonda's really thin, like, she's, like, really thin now.
unidentified
She's jacked.
tom segura
She looks amazing, of course.
joe rogan
But, I mean, she's got muscles, man.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, she's got some big-ass shoulder muscles and big arm muscles.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a reason.
They're not all fat.
tom segura
No way.
joe rogan
Those fucking things are launching chicks through the air.
tom segura
Yeah, she's got plenty of muscle.
joe rogan
But my point was, they're proposing to fight in a fucking cage, and somehow or another it's this unbelievable outrage because she made fun of her arms being fat.
tom segura
I know, right?
unidentified
They're gonna beat each other nearly to death.
joe rogan
What are we talking about?
tom segura
You fucking fat ass.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, is that really, like, you can insult people about their personality?
tom segura
Yeah, the fat thing is really, you know what it is, too?
First of all, I encourage fat shaming.
I think it's helpful.
joe rogan
Do you, for real?
tom segura
I really do.
I think it's absolutely helpful.
joe rogan
Why do you think it's helpful?
tom segura
It just depends on your psyche, I guess, you know, how you respond to it.
But I think it's just like somebody calling you out on your bullshit.
It's just a version of that.
It's a physical version of that.
A lot of people, you can be in denial, you know?
I think a lot of people are in denial about a lot of things.
joe rogan
Well, a lot of people just want to live their lives, too, to take place devil's advocate, right?
A lot of people just want to live their lives, and they don't mind being heavy.
They don't like it when people are talking shit about something.
tom segura
That's a choice.
I'm not saying that that person doesn't have a right to feel that way.
joe rogan
Right, but I think some people have a problem with it, is that there's certain people that didn't do anything wrong.
They didn't do anything to you.
Everything they've done, they've done to themselves.
But if you're shitting on them, it's an easy thing to do.
tom segura
It is an easy thing to do.
If you weren't so fat, nobody would talk about it.
I've been called fat at so many different points.
I've been up and down my whole life.
I think because of that, and when you get older, you have more acceptance with not having a problem with somebody saying it.
Plus, I get...
I'm a public figure in a lot of ways, right?
So I'm used to people being like, fuck you and go fuck yourself.
I hate your act.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
So you're like, oh, okay.
It's another version of that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like you're fat.
tom segura
Yeah.
And you're like, fuck you.
joe rogan
Same feeling.
tom segura
It's the same feeling.
And I'm saying like, I've gotten so much that has nothing to do with fat that somebody throws in fat and you're like, yeah, okay.
You know?
joe rogan
So weird.
tom segura
I saw your special.
I fucking hated it.
And you're like, okay.
Thanks.
joe rogan
Seriously disappointed, bro.
tom segura
Yeah.
unidentified
Seriously disappointed.
tom segura
You disappoint me.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Ooh, you disappoint me, bro.
You disappoint me.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom segura
All right.
joe rogan
Why did you disappoint this fella?
tom segura
I mean, it was, you know, I was just like, I'm not going to engage you, so.
joe rogan
It's bizarre when people do engage people.
We were talking about this before the podcast.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Philly D, you know, from the internet, from YouTube.
Very nice guy.
Philip DeFranco.
We've had him on the podcast before.
Super nice guy.
He was going out with some chick.
He tweeted something today.
What was his original tweet?
Was it about Kanye or something like that?
jamie vernon
It was about Kanye visiting Trump and he tweeted like Trump would tweet.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
Right.
He tweeted.
Can't wait to see Trump tweet after this.
Met with Kanye West.
Tremendous American artist.
Shame Jay won't call him.
Pick up the phone.
Sad!
That's hilarious.
Which is really fucking funny.
That's really funny.
And some woman got really mad.
And look what she wrote.
Mind your damn white business and stay out of black people's beef.
You not a part of black Twitter.
Stop stealing their tweeting style.
And then I went to her page, and I think she's a troll.
jamie vernon
Maybe.
joe rogan
I think she's a troll.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
I think she's trolling.
We don't have to give out her name or anything like that.
unidentified
Please don't get anybody excited.
joe rogan
Maybe she's real.
unidentified
But...
joe rogan
Maybe she just felt like shitting on him, too.
Who knows?
Maybe she just felt like typing it and didn't think he was going to respond.
But he responded in a video.
tom segura
Oh, he did?
joe rogan
Yeah, in one of his videos he responded and talked about it.
I was like, wow, this is weird.
tom segura
Huh.
I love when people say, like...
You're not to comment on this story.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Why not?
tom segura
The best is that if you make any comment or joke about anything political, somebody who disagrees with that political position will go, we don't really need a comedian commenting on this.
And you're like, oh, okay.
What do you do?
Are you the...
You're the person qualified to talk about it?
joe rogan
Yeah, how's that work?
tom segura
Yeah.
So you work at the store, the factory, and you're allowed to comment on things?
joe rogan
Is that something you would ever say to anybody?
You're not allowed to comment on it?
tom segura
Of course not.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
tom segura
Yeah, I know.
It's absolutely...
I hate these fucking...
joe rogan
White people adding their two cents to Kanye and Jay-Z saga, trying to get RT, shut your goddamn mouth, always butting in.
Well, she got us to talk about her.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Good job.
joe rogan
I mean, this is the new world we're living in, man.
tom segura
So you're not allowed to comment on that because it's black beef, she's saying.
joe rogan
Well, anybody telling you you're not allowed to comment on anything is crazy.
Says who?
Let me tell you something.
I have talked to people.
I have had the dumbest conversations with people who think their kung fu master could fight in the UFC, but everybody's scared of someone dying.
If someone understands real chi, they're a real chi master.
I've had these kind of conversations with people.
tom segura
How much do people believe that Kung Fu...
joe rogan
A lot of people still do.
tom segura
Where do you think it would fall on the scale of the martial arts ability to win major fights with highly trained people in either...
Like, where would Kung Fu fall?
joe rogan
The problem with martial arts, with individual martial arts...
tom segura
Aikido's obviously at the top, yes.
But the problem is...
joe rogan
The problem with individual martial arts like that is that they're no longer unaware of the tactics and abilities of other martial arts.
So it used to be...
That if you were like a taekwondo guy like I was, you would have a delusional sense of how good you would do in a fight with a judo person.
tom segura
Because you're not fully aware.
joe rogan
Because nobody grabbed you before and threw you around.
So you really have no idea how easy it would be for them to do it.
You have a distorted idea in your head.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Now everybody knows.
tom segura
Fuck this guy up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Now everybody knows.
So now it's real hard to say, like, a kung fu guy.
Like, if a kung fu guy fought a judo guy, who would win?
Because there's no real only kung fu guys anymore.
And there's no real only judo guys anymore.
They all know about MMA. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everybody knows.
If you're a martial artist, especially you get to your black belt level or something like that, You're aware of other shit now.
So you know what things, you know, what's more effective now.
Like there's a better understanding of it than anyone's ever had before.
So if you're like a high-level martial artist, even just a wrestler or something like that, I guarantee you they know, most of them know something else.
They know how to throw their hands.
They know how to throw a kick or two.
You know, and if they got like a really good coach, they could probably get pretty good at striking pretty fucking quick.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
But striking is one of those weird things, man, it seems.
That it's really difficult for people to get really good at it if they don't have the right body for it and they start late in life.
It's real weird.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You can get better at it, but there's a certain amount of speed that you need to execute.
tom segura
To really set up and knock somebody.
joe rogan
There's a certain amount.
You can get by with a certain amount of speed against lesser competition.
You can get by even more so if you are more of a threat as a wrestler.
And you can get by even more so if you're really smart.
You really understand when to engage, when not to engage, and you're threatened with the wrestling.
You can get away with having a slower striking style.
But if you can't do those things, then you're a fucking sitting duck.
And that's one of the most terrifying aspects of MMA. One of the most terrifying aspects of MMA is being stuck in the middle of a cage with a guy like Anderson Silva in his prime, who's just sliding slightly out of the way to your shit and BAM! Cracking you in the face and he's dancing around and he's making the wobbly face like he's rocked.
To fuck with you and then he kicks you and punches you.
He's done some creepy shit to dudes inside the octagon.
I mean creepy in a way that's like, not negative, I mean so good.
Like he's had these moments in fights where you just go, holy shit, it's creepy.
You could get stuck in a cage with that dude.
tom segura
He would just basically...
If this was a thousand years ago, it would be that he would be the king of the village.
joe rogan
Most likely.
Well, the king of the village would be the biggest guy.
See, what we're doing is we're separating people by size.
tom segura
That's true.
joe rogan
At the end of the day, you meet a guy like Brock Lesnar, you go, oh, that's why there's a heavyweight division.
That's a totally different kind of human.
tom segura
How many guys like that can actually...
And I'm talking about Brock specifically, but that are like 285...
joe rogan
To move like him?
tom segura
Well, no.
It can keep a body like that without anything additional.
Like, in other words...
joe rogan
That's a super good question.
And it's not an honest question.
The problem is people are real dishonest about what they take and what they don't take.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it's weird because there's people that will argue with you.
They'll say that there's only so big a person can ever get and be so fast without help.
Right.
But their understanding of recovery is way better today than ever before.
Their understanding of when to train, when not to train, when you're over-trained.
If you're at a real high-level place, they're grooming you to be an NFL player or something like that.
They're going to give you some pretty high-level instruction and coaching.
And if you're eating right, you're going to have definitely a jump over people that were in your same sort of position 20 years ago.
So the athletes are going to be better just because of the science of training.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
But after that, you gotta wonder.
You know, I mean, it's not like they don't know about them.
No, of course.
They all know about steroids, right?
tom segura
So easy to get.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's not like they don't know about them.
And it's not like they don't know they help.
tom segura
And these dudes, like, some of the guys are definitely fat, right?
But some of these guys are, like, they're so, like, you're like, dude, you're walking around at, like, a healthy 310. Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I think some of them, honestly, are probably a bit big on purpose, too, like linemen, right?
tom segura
Right, definitely.
Oh, they feed them.
joe rogan
Yeah, you want to be a giant.
tom segura
You want to be a giant monster.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
You don't want to be shredded.
No, no, no.
joe rogan
You want to just be smashing into people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think.
What the fuck do I know?
I know almost nothing about football.
tom segura
You're totally right, man.
joe rogan
People say football players' names and I have to nod, like a person from another country.
Like, you know, if someone's speaking to me in another language, like, yeah, I don't know what you're saying.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
I feel like that about a bunch of sports, though, too.
I'm like, I got you.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
tom segura
But you know, I wear hats a lot, especially I travel.
I used to like having a hat on a plane, pull over, and I have like 10 different teams.
And guys were boring.
They're like, did you see Douglas last night?
And I'm like, what?
And they're like, the game.
And I realize it's the hat, and I'm like, I missed it.
And he's like, fuck, shut him out.
I'm like, fucking killer, man.
joe rogan
You don't even know who that guy is.
tom segura
No, I have no idea who he's talking about.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah, I have no idea who he's talking about.
joe rogan
Well, now there's so many UFC fighters.
There's like 500 UFC fighters.
Occasionally, like, I gotta look people up.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
Someone will mention someone, I'm like, who did he fight?
And they'll fight, he fought that guy.
I'm like, when?
And they're like, four fight nights ago.
I'm like, undercard?
When was the undercard?
tom segura
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll have to, like, put it in my...
tom segura
It's gotten super big.
joe rogan
It's too many fights.
tom segura
How massive has it gotten?
Just in the time that I've known or been to UFC stuff, you know, the fight game has exploded in popularity.
joe rogan
It seems like it all took off from this one fight in 2005 between Stephen Bonner and Forrest Griffin.
That was like the big one.
Because it was the end of this, the final of this first reality show, The Ultimate Fighter.
tom segura
Oh, right.
joe rogan
This crazy fight in the finals.
These guys knew each other real well, and they actually liked each other a lot.
But they fucking went at it.
They just both went at it.
tom segura
It changed the game.
joe rogan
Both guys fought Anderson Silva, too.
tom segura
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Later in their career.
tom segura
They both?
joe rogan
They both got fucked up.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was when Anderson was just a Jedi Knight.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was just doing shit to people inside the octagon.
We were like, oh, Jesus.
tom segura
How was that that one fight with him?
joe rogan
Which one?
tom segura
I think it's, was it the Weidman one?
joe rogan
Oh, when he broke his leg?
Or when he got knocked out?
tom segura
I think when he got knocked out.
I think I was at that.
joe rogan
Probably.
You've been to a ton of them.
tom segura
I've been to a bunch of them now.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That one was crazy.
Because he was winning that fight.
tom segura
If I didn't go to that one, I definitely saw...
I've seen both of those guys fight at fights.
So I can't remember if I saw that fight or not.
joe rogan
Weidman was pressing him, but Anderson was kicking him a lot in the legs.
And I was looking and I was like, ooh, he's kicking his legs a lot.
tom segura
He did a lot of crazy taunting.
joe rogan
But you know what?
Weidman did something really slick.
He did something really slick.
It was really interesting.
He threw a back fist.
He threw a punch, and then he threw a back fist.
Because Anderson was bobbing and weaving and bobbing and weaving and moving away from him.
So he figures if the right's coming, then the left's coming.
So he throws a punch, misses, and then throws a back fist, which makes Anderson have to go that way.
So then when he starts going that way, the other way, BAM! He catches him with a left hook.
It's a beautiful combination.
It's a beautiful combination with a guy who moves his head a lot because you force him because you're not just throwing one in that direction.
You're throwing a second one.
So he's going that way, which is like when you throw a left hook.
He's going that way.
So he's already going the way to avoid the left hook.
He's got to come back.
And when he comes back, boom, he catches him perfect.
It was brilliant.
Beautiful timing.
tom segura
Yes, it was the setup before the fucking blow, too.
joe rogan
Well, he looked a little slower than Anderson, so he was having a hard time catching him.
And Anderson was staying on the outside and kicking his legs a lot.
But they had collided in the first round, and he took Anderson down and wrapped one of his legs up and had him pretty tight.
It looked like he might be getting a leg lock or attempting a leg lock, and Anderson got out of it.
tom segura
Isn't that the fight, too, where after the fight, where Weidman was like, make your decision now.
You're either on board or you're not...
joe rogan
No, that was another fight.
tom segura
That was another fight?
joe rogan
That was another fight, yeah.
I think that was after Vitor, I think, after beat up Vitor.
tom segura
He's like, pick your...
joe rogan
Yeah, I was like, whoa.
tom segura
Get on board.
joe rogan
I was like, damn, Chris.
tom segura
You've had up to now to decide.
Pretty good.
joe rogan
Yeah, you know, he's an interesting guy.
He takes a loss like a fucking champ, I'll tell you that.
He lost to Yoel Romero by knockout, and then he was sitting on the dais answering questions later with his eye all stitched up.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
He's a stud.
tom segura
You know what fight I was in?
joe rogan
That's hard to do, man.
tom segura
Oh, I bet, man.
joe rogan
You get KO'd and then just answer questions with stitches over your eye and you're talking to press people.
tom segura
Oh, I've seen some guys real fucked up.
joe rogan
Perfect composure, though.
He handled it perfectly.
tom segura
I was at that Gustafson-John Jones fight where I think they both went to the hospital.
It was a brutal, brutal, brutal fight.
It was a decision fight, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah, and then it was like they just massacred each other, you know?
They just beat the shit out of each other.
joe rogan
That was a crazy fight.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That was a fight where John was talking about it when he was on the podcast.
He was talking about how much he partied.
tom segura
After that fight?
joe rogan
Oh, before the fight.
tom segura
Oh, before that.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was partying a lot.
tom segura
Wow.
Yeah, it was an incredible fight.
I just remember how bloodied those guys were.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a rough fight.
And Gustafson shocked a lot of people.
tom segura
Yeah, that's the crowd.
You could feel the crowd swell.
joe rogan
What I always call MMA, this is the phrase I use all the time, so maybe it'll start getting annoying too.
It's like extreme problem solving with dire physical consequences.
That's why it's plus shit talking.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Throwing that too.
tom segura
High stakes.
Talking shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, high stakes.
There's an emotions battle.
Whether or not you can keep your emotions.
How well you handle pressure.
It's giant.
That's the thing about Conor McGregor.
More than anything.
Like, nah, we shouldn't say more than anything.
It's one of many things about him that's pretty interesting.
But one of the most interesting things about him is he handles pressure like nobody I've ever seen.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like when he fought Aldo for the title, he didn't even look remotely nervous.
He was super relaxed, super calm.
tom segura
Then you start to think, though, that you go, how much of what you're seeing is how pressure is manifested through that guy?
You know what I mean?
Like, for instance, the press conference kind of antics, you're like, is that...
Is that genuine?
Is that an act?
Is that how he handles the pressure of this high-pressure situation?
By doing a fucking, you know, bang-bang show.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
So like, but I personally, I find the guy, which is I think what you want, why someone becomes a star.
Endlessly entertaining on top of being good.
So, you know, I'm tuning in, too.
I want to see the fucking show.
joe rogan
He's the best shit-talker of all time.
I know I've said that before about other people.
Before that, I said Chael Sonnen was the best shit-talker of all time.
And I think he was for a while.
But I think Conor tops him.
And all of a sudden...
Also, as well, Conor has an additional significance to his shit-talking, because he knocks people dead.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
It's a totally different thing.
And Chael Sonnen, not that he's not a fucking animal, because Chael Sonnen's an animal, and he submitted Shogun Hua.
Chael Sonnen's a very solid grappler.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
Came very close to beating Anderson Silva in their first fight, so he's a stud.
But what Conor does differently is he ices guys with one punch.
And that's a big factor in a fight when you're watching him and he fights Eddie Alvarez.
And all of a sudden he dings him with a left hand and catches him and rocks him early on.
You go, holy shit.
And you realize, like, he's fighting a guy now at 155 pounds.
And Eddie Alvarez is a big 155. He's a big guy.
Big, muscular guy.
The idea is he's going to be able to wrestle Conor.
He's going to be able to grab him and grind him out the same way he did with Anthony Pettis.
tom segura
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Nope.
Nope.
Dealing with a totally different animal.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Connor's just got a totally different kind of focus as far as like the way he zooms in on targets.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And his precision is just speed.
He's just dropping it in there with 100% speed.
Like that's a big part of what he's doing.
He's not loading up at all.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the ability to stay...
Like when you load up, say like if you see someone coming at you and you just go...
Like, all that's wasted time.
All that's wasted time.
What Conor has is the ability to be perfectly technical in a firefight.
So, like, Aldo's charging at him.
This is like 13 seconds into the fight.
Aldo's charging at him.
And he knows how to just slide back and blam!
Drops that left hand in on him.
tom segura
Is the striking the strongest part of his?
joe rogan
Yes, for sure.
His ground game is underrated.
He's very good on the ground.
He's very good defensively.
He's got good sweeps.
He sweeped Nate Diaz in their first fight.
People forget that.
tom segura
He's the kind of guy, how much would you love to watch before he was a professional?
joe rogan
I did watch him.
Well, not before he was a professional.
tom segura
I'm saying bar fights, though.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
tom segura
Because you know he's been in some definite scraps in bars before.
joe rogan
I don't even think you're allowed to get 18 in Ireland if you haven't been in a bar fight yet.
tom segura
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
We're going out tonight, lad.
Put a pop on your cherry.
That's probably the worst accent ever.
Probably.
Right up there.
But I saw him fight in Cage Warriors.
I tweeted to him in like 2013 before he came to the UFC. I said, I'm a big fan, man.
I want you to come over.
tom segura
And did he?
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, right after that, the UFC in him, totally coincidentally, I definitely probably told anybody who listened to me about him.
Because I had seen him fight before, and I'm like, this kid eyes his people.
His left hand is just devastating.
And he's got a crazy style.
He fights in his wide stance, and he moves different, and he cracks guys.
I'm like, this kid's legit.
unidentified
I'd like to see him in the UFC. I never asked you.
joe rogan
There it is.
Yeah, that's January of 2013, so it was almost four years ago.
tom segura
I never talked to you about, what did you think of all the talks of a him-Floyd Mayweather fight?
joe rogan
He'll fight him.
I guarantee you he would fight him.
tom segura
What kind of match do you think that would be?
joe rogan
Well, he's a lot bigger than Floyd, first of all.
Let's just emphasize that.
He's a lot bigger.
So it would be a real problem as far as weight cutting.
Because if they let Conor fight it wherever he wants, Conor's going to weigh somewhere around 170 pounds.
That's what he's at his best, like in his optimum with no weight cutting.
I don't think Floyd's that big.
I think Floyd, I guarantee you he's probably not more than 160. Do you think Floyd's bigger than 160 in real life?
tom segura
Small dude.
jamie vernon
He's a small guy.
Even in person, he's really short doesn't mean weight, but he's small.
joe rogan
What weight did he begin his career at?
Floyd Mayweather is a...
I mean, I'm a huge Floyd Mayweather fan.
And I think when it comes to boxing, I think he's like one of the most skillful boxers that's ever lived.
I really do.
tom segura
Technical as shit.
joe rogan
If not the most.
What's that 150?
150. But that's probably what he last fought at.
Like, didn't he make, when he fought Canelo, didn't he make him come down a bit?
He made him come down at like 154 or something like that?
tom segura
That sounds right.
joe rogan
Something like that?
tom segura
That sounds right.
joe rogan
They had some sort of a catchweight fight, I remember.
And Canelo's fighting at what?
He's fighting at 160 now?
tom segura
He's definitely bigger.
joe rogan
Or is he fighting at 154?
Kanadi Golovkin is 160, right?
Is that the holdup as the two of them?
Because I feel like Kanell's been fighting mid-weight, too.
Like, he fought Koto.
What was that at?
Wasn't that at middleweight?
Or 154?
Alvarez catchweight 152. 152. Okay.
Yeah, so he made Canelo lose some weight.
Because Canelo's a lot bigger than him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So Canelo probably walks around maybe 20 pounds heavier than that.
tom segura
That's a bad motherfucker, too.
joe rogan
Ooh, he's good.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And Floyd Mayweather just boxed him up.
tom segura
What?
joe rogan
I'm not there.
I'm here.
unidentified
Plop!
joe rogan
Oh, look at that!
Just beautiful technique.
tom segura
That's the thing you have to wonder.
Could Connor's skills, just technical skills, match up to somebody like the counter defense?
joe rogan
I can't imagine they would.
Unless Mayweather's so out of shape.
tom segura
Yeah.
Him, I'm saying on top of his game...
joe rogan
Him on top of his game, you're not going to hit him.
You have to be really top level to catch him.
tom segura
It's so nuts that that dude is so fast that he boxes with his lead hand down.
Not even hip level.
Mid thigh sometimes.
joe rogan
Well, it's because that forces his shoulder over.
It's actually an easier way to block a lot of things if you're skillful with it.
He's so quick.
He's not just quick, and he's definitely quick.
He's very quick.
But what Floyd has over almost anyone else, he's got this incredible knowledge of what you're going to do before you do it.
He knows so much about boxing, about boxing as a science from his brother, or his father, rather, and his uncle.
His uncle's Roger Mayweather, who's the Black Mamba, who's an all-time fucking exciting guy to watch in the 80s and 90s.
He would starch people, man.
tom segura
Dude, him on those HBO shows, they've never had a better comedy than Roger Mayweather moments.
It's the greatest.
joe rogan
Oh, you mean In Between Corners?
tom segura
No, when they used to do the...
Oh, those 24-7s?
Yes, 24-7.
He would fucking massacre those.
The funniest shit I've ever seen.
And they edited him so fucking funny.
One of those fights, they were fighting, maybe it was Alvarez or somebody, and Alvarez was like, we've got to prepare for the floor.
I'm going to watch his fights.
And...
And I know I'm just going to have the fight of my life on my hands.
And then they cut to Roger Mayweather and he goes, who the fuck is Alvarez?
unidentified
And they just cut out.
tom segura
He was pretending he doesn't even know who the guy is.
But that really was, you know that that was a big part of the preparation?
I don't know if in the end it was, but for a long time, when they would go like, how are you preparing for this fighter?
His answer, and their legit answer was like, they have to prepare for this shit.
We're not preparing for anything.
He better prepare a lot, you know?
And that's how they would approach it.
Like, we're not studying you.
You need to study this shit right now, because it's going to be bad what happens to you.
unidentified
It's a good point.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a good point.
You know, Floyd's an interesting guy.
He's had his hands broken a bunch of times.
tom segura
Yeah.
There's been rumors about fights that he must have had a broken hand in.
joe rogan
Well, he has had hands that were broken, and he's still boxed.
tom segura
What does that feel like?
joe rogan
He's just got a winner's mentality.
You know, you can talk all the shit you want about that guy because it's fun to talk shit about him because he created this persona, Marty Mayweather, but it's brilliant.
It's a brilliant thing.
What he did is brilliant.
He created someone to hate, but is so talented you can't beat him.
tom segura
And you're buying that pay-per-view, which is exactly what he wants.
joe rogan
Oh my god, you're hoping.
unidentified
Canelo, please, Canelo.
joe rogan
They're hoping Canelo can catch him.
Nope.
They're hoping Pacquiao can catch him.
tom segura
Everyone.
Yeah, you're right.
He created the villain.
joe rogan
Keep going down the line.
Every fucking guy he's fought, please catch him.
Maybe, you know, you saw what Juan Manuel Marquez, he had a tough fight with Pacquiao.
tom segura
Shuts them down.
And then he'd be like, I got a hundred watches, man.
joe rogan
Shuts them all down.
tom segura
People, like, they really fucking, I don't hate at all.
I think that it's, uh, sometimes that persona can just get kind of boring.
unidentified
It's fun.
tom segura
It's fun.
Smart.
I'm like, alright, man.
Just, I'm saying, like, Instagram, he's like, look at all this money on my bed.
And then he'll be like, you know what I'm going to do tonight?
I'm going to count it.
And then it's just hilarious.
It's funny.
It's entertaining.
But it is like one note.
joe rogan
He used to hold bricks of money up to his ear like a phone.
Pretend he's talking on the money.
Hilarious.
tom segura
Cars.
joe rogan
Ridiculous.
They're all white, too.
He's got like Bugattis and shit.
tom segura
This one they made three of it.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tom segura
Oh my goodness.
joe rogan
What is that?
$100 million that he got?
From what?
unidentified
$100 million.
jamie vernon
I think it was his purse from one of his fights.
tom segura
That he was a promoter.
joe rogan
God, that is so insane!
He made a hundred million dollars.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is where hippies start going crazy about income inequality.
tom segura
There's the sense.
unidentified
Look at this.
tom segura
He goes, this is just one of my many checks.
joe rogan
Gotta love these backseat drivers.
So worried about, hey, where are you going?
Yeah.
Gotta love these backseat drivers so worried about another man's legacy instead of trying to write their own.
Ultimately, I will always have the last laugh.
This is just one of many checks.
A cool $100 million that I still have every dime of.
Y'all still have to work, however.
I'm happily retired.
At the end of the day, it's them Benjamin Franklins that matter to me.
So the joke's on you.
I've made smart investments.
Sorry for those who thought that I couldn't read, write, or count.
tom segura
Here we go.
joe rogan
Y'all call them watches, I call them timepieces.
Y'all call them boats, I call them yachts.
Y'all call them houses, I call them mansions.
What does that mean?
Y'all charter jets, and we own jets.
The money team.
tom segura
There you go.
Yeah, I got it.
joe rogan
I think he's rich.
tom segura
I think he definitely has money.
I think so.
joe rogan
He's made a lot of fucking money.
That's for goddamn sure.
tom segura
He's excellent at what he does, for sure, across the board.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, there's no doubt about it.
But he's also, it's funny.
tom segura
And we left out that he's 49-0.
joe rogan
Yeah, 49-0.
And he's the only guy.
He hasn't broken Rocky Marciano's record yet.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
He's tied it, which is really interesting.
Like, I wonder if that's on purpose.
I wonder if he doesn't want to break it.
tom segura
Well, I think, to him, the pressure of it going away is the thing that happens, like, as the older you get.
Like, you know what I mean?
This is a good boxing retirement age for him.
And it's like, do you want to do 50?
unidentified
Yes.
tom segura
Well, it's got to be a meaningful 50. You can't find some scrub for 50. And then you start to think about, oh, fuck, like...
joe rogan
Yeah, if he was going to fight Pacquiao again, I'm sort of out of the loop.
I wonder what kind of numbers Pacquiao gets on his fights now.
I feel like a lot of people are watching.
tom segura
I'm sure he still does pretty well.
joe rogan
But he just fought.
tom segura
He did just fight, yeah.
joe rogan
I didn't hear any peep about it.
tom segura
Yeah, but who was he fighting?
Maybe that's why.
He still does.
I mean, it's got to be significant numbers still.
joe rogan
Yeah, he must, right?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's still a big worthwhile fight.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
He's got a big bankroll.
I mean, payroll.
Like, apparently...
joe rogan
Look at this.
Pacquiao-Vargas fight surpassed 300,000 pay-per-view buys.
Is Pacquiao made where they're too possible?
That's decent.
Those are decent pay-per-view buys.
300,000.
That's pretty good.
tom segura
What do the big fights, like big MMA fights get?
joe rogan
I think the big ones are over a million.
I think probably the UFC, I don't know if it's been released yet, what UFC 200 got?
Or UFC 205, either one of those.
Madison Square Garden was a pretty fucking substantial card.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I would imagine the numbers of that would have been insane.
And it was a Conor McGregor card.
I would have to think that that's the biggest card ever.
tom segura
Ever?
joe rogan
In terms of pay-per-view buys.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I would imagine.
But I could be wrong because the 200 had Brock Lesnar in it.
tom segura
Ooh, yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
tom segura
That's right.
And that ended badly a few days later, too, right?
Wasn't there a couple of things?
joe rogan
It wasn't badly, bro.
It was just steroids.
tom segura
It was just steroids.
joe rogan
Something got in his fruit punch, bro.
tom segura
Or drink a lot of fruit, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah, you never know, man.
Tain and supplements.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what we're talking about.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
You know, can a guy get that big without some help?
I don't know.
I do not know.
I do not know.
But I know those GNC stores, they do really well.
They sell a lot of stuff.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You go to those places.
tom segura
They sell a lot of stuff, man.
joe rogan
Any of those bodybuilding supplement stores, you know, there's a lot of stuff that works.
Like, there's a reason why people buy that stuff.
But some of it has fucking steroids in it.
And that's why it's working.
tom segura
And they legit get away with that, huh?
joe rogan
Well, they just don't tell you what it is.
It's weird, man.
tom segura
Like 15 years ago, one of the first big...
I forget the product name or I would say it.
It was like the big, like, everyone does this to work out and to lose weight.
I forget.
It's like I had a big commercial.
It was a successful name for the product.
And then people just started to drop, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
Like people would die.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
How many years ago are you talking about?
tom segura
I think it's about 15 to 20. So you're talking about rip fuel?
One of those.
joe rogan
Aphetamine, right?
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Or ephedrine, rather.
tom segura
Ephedrine, yeah.
And then people were...
I remember I was taking them 20-some years ago.
joe rogan
I thought you were going to say 20 a day.
tom segura
No.
But then somebody's like, oh, you're basically taking speed.
And you're like, oh.
And it took a while to process that that really was one of the key components of what you were taking.
Like, you're taking drugs right now, man.
joe rogan
You're taking speed, son.
tom segura
Yeah, you're taking speed.
And you could feel yourself get geeked out, you know?
Heart racing.
joe rogan
I took a couple of those and went to jiu-jitsu class once when I was like a white belt.
And I almost had a fucking heart attack.
tom segura
Yeah, the heart racing.
joe rogan
Like, oh my god, I had to stop.
I had to sit down.
I was like, what did I do?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So I was young.
I was just starting in jiu-jitsu.
And it wasn't like...
I mean, I knew what it felt like to roll, but when you take those, I knew something was totally wrong.
I had been exhausted before.
I know what that felt like.
I got exhausted way too quick.
My heart was about to explode in my fucking chest.
I was like, holy shit, I gotta sit down.
Even being like...
Whatever I was, 30 or whatever, 29 or something like that, I still was smart enough to realize this is a stupid idea and I've got to sit down.
Because back then I was really dumb.
tom segura
I took him before a high school football game.
Yeah.
But the thing is that we had the conversation before, they're like, you're going to fuck people up because of this.
So you have the illusion of what's going on.
joe rogan
Well, maybe that would work, though, with football, because football is not something you would do where you struggle for long periods of time.
Right.
tom segura
It's like five, seven plays.
joe rogan
Jiu-jitsu gets super exhausting.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
Because, like, say if you have sparring rounds, they might be seven minutes long.
Sometimes people do nine minutes.
tom segura
Yeah, it sounds really good.
joe rogan
Seven minutes was pretty standard.
And so we would set a timer for seven minutes, and then you're basically just going at it with someone who is probably pretty fucking skillful.
tom segura
Yeah.
You feel like you're going to die.
joe rogan
Yeah, I felt like my heart was literally going to explode.
Like something's wrong.
It was like, dude, we're going way too fast right now for no fucking reason.
And I'm like, man, I've got to sit down.
And my heart wouldn't slow down.
Normally when you work out, say if you run up a hill, and you put your fingers on your pulse, and you can sit there, and in a few seconds you feel them start to drop, and you look down at your watch, and when you get to 140-ish, you can just start sprinting again.
That's what most people like to do.
When you're doing interval workouts, I knew I was way over that, and I wasn't coming down.
I was like, this is not slowing down.
This is fucked.
tom segura
And you knew it's what you took.
joe rogan
I knew.
I took a bunch.
I'm a fucking retard.
I'm such an extremist.
If it says, like, take two, I'm like, that's two for pussies, so I'll take four.
Especially then.
tom segura
I was so stupid.
joe rogan
Man, because, you know, yeah, well, it was like doing the competitive martial arts thing when I was young made me like this intense extremist.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
Like, okay, everybody's running two miles.
I'm running five.
You know, everybody's doing this.
I'm doing more.
tom segura
Is that how you do it?
joe rogan
Really?
There's no other way.
tom segura
Fuck.
joe rogan
If you want to beat people, you have to work harder than them.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
You can't just rely on what?
You're smarter than them?
How do you know you're smarter than them?
They're probably pretty fucking smart.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What, are you tougher than them?
They're tough.
They're all fucking black belts.
They're tough.
Like, don't be stupid.
Like, my thought was, don't think so highly of yourself that you don't have to outwork everybody.
tom segura
Wow.
That's good, man.
joe rogan
There's no other way.
tom segura
That's a good philosophy.
joe rogan
And you can't take days off.
Days off if you're hurt or if you're sore, but you can't fuck off.
Fucking off is bad for your brain.
If you're competing or you're trying to go for something physically, the problem with fucking off is that it messes with your momentum.
It's not just that it messes with your skills, because sometimes you legitimately go, you know what, my body needs a break.
But you know your body needs a break, so you make a conscious decision.
But when you're supposed to work out, you know you should work out, and you fuck off, Your opinion of yourself slips.
tom segura
Exactly.
It has an effect that goes out beyond just that workout.
joe rogan
Yeah, it fucks with your confidence because it fucks with your conviction.
tom segura
It's why taking care of little things can bleed into taking care of more.
You know what I mean?
When you pick up and clean up your room or your car, you're like, now I feel good about the way this looks.
That translates, I'm going to go work out today, and I'm going to write, and I'm going to do, like, those things kind of line up together.
joe rogan
Yeah, Musashi had some quote about that that I just screenshotted the other day, like a 15-year-old girl.
tom segura
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's me.
I'm one of those screenshot guys.
Don't, you know, if you, like, read, here it is.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's just so interesting.
To approach, the approach to combat and everyday life should be the same.
The approach to combat and everyday life should be the same.
That's intense.
tom segura
That's intense, yeah.
joe rogan
It was a little too intense.
tom segura
I have a really interesting one on my Instagram.
I don't know if you can pull it up.
joe rogan
Is that the guy who touched a girl for the first time, that video?
tom segura
No, but it is a lady with...
It's a holiday one, but it's interesting, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who's that guy that touched a girl?
Did you get permission to put him on your...
tom segura
No.
unidentified
No.
I should probably take down that one that you made me put up.
jamie vernon
The Christmas one?
tom segura
Yeah.
That one's pretty interesting.
joe rogan
The one where the girl...
The one that you should...
Oh, when you ho-ho-ho it up for Xmas?
tom segura
But I mean, it's interesting.
Watch it.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
Ah!
Yinko-bo!
Yinko-bo!
joe rogan
What are you doing to me?
unidentified
Shut this off.
Shut this off.
joe rogan
What is wrong with you, Tom?
You and your wife.
First of all, you're both fucking hilarious.
She has his butt.
You guys are both so specific.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You guys have the funniest, silliest fucking show.
Because you're both so specific.
tom segura
Thanks, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, the things that you just decide.
Like, you're wearing a shirt.
Tom's wearing a shirt that says, just glassin' on it.
unidentified
I'm just glassin'.
tom segura
Glasson, bro.
joe rogan
Now, glasson is a term that hunters use when they get up on a ridge and they look for things.
So when I saw that, I was like, well, that's weird.
Maybe you bought that in some convenience store when you were in Alaska or something like that.
Yeah, this would be a silly, gimmicky shirt to it.
But no, this is a shirt from your fucking podcast.
tom segura
It is, yeah.
joe rogan
Tell the story.
tom segura
Okay, so every week we get submitted hundreds of emails with links to videos, like that, right?
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
I mean, so many emails.
Have you seen this?
Have you seen this?
And the internet's this endless pool of stuff to pull from.
And then we have this, our producer, Blue Band.
I don't know if you know that.
That's our producer's name.
joe rogan
Blue Band?
tom segura
Yeah, because it used to be Red Band.
joe rogan
There was a Yellow Band for a while.
tom segura
And now there's Blue Band.
So...
So Blue Band then will go through a lot of this stuff and edit down, let's say, like a five minute YouTube video into like maybe six, 10 to 15 second clips.
And so we're just always looking at stuff and it's, you know, a range of things are engaging to us.
Well, we got this hunter.
His name is Fred.
Eichler, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
And he's an avid bow hunter.
joe rogan
He hunts with a traditional bow, like a recurve bow.
tom segura
That's right.
One of the most prominent recurve bow hunters.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's either a recurve bow or it might be a stick bow.
tom segura
What is the difference between a recurve bow versus what you...
joe rogan
Power.
tom segura
Power?
joe rogan
Accuracy.
Efficiency.
Technology.
tom segura
Yours is more modern.
joe rogan
Yeah, but in his side, feel.
There's like a feel, and if you get really good with one of those things, it becomes apparently very addicted to shoot, because people who like recurves, they like shooting at targets, it's an instinctive thing.
So you have to shoot a bunch of arrows to kind of know where the arrow is going.
And you shoot differently too because you don't really hold it very long.
You kind of draw it back and then they let it go pretty quickly.
Whereas a compound bow, the whole idea of a compound bow is there's an extreme amount of force that's exhibited in the beginning.
Or it's expressed through the cams and through the limbs.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But then as a cam turns over, it gets easier because of leverage.
So I don't understand.
tom segura
So the resistance starts when you kind of start.
joe rogan
The beginning, there's massive resistance, and then there's a big let-off at the end.
So my bow takes 84 pounds to pull back, but at the end of it, it's easy to hold.
tom segura
And what's the difference?
His would go hard the whole way?
joe rogan
His is hard the whole way.
However hard it is, it's hard the whole way.
And it actually gets more difficult as you pull back instead of less difficult.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
So it's the opposite of a compound bow.
So the compound bow, it's difficult to pull in the beginning, and then the cams settle in.
Oops!
The cams settle in.
It's beautiful.
You can just hold it there.
Like if you're waiting on something.
You could hold it there, but it's just super hard to hold one of those stick bows.
Because you're pulling, like, really, the end of it is as hard as you can get it.
You know, and it's basically, it pulls back and forth depending upon, like, how much pressure you put on it.
You can pull it more if you're stronger, or if you're weaker, you can only get to a certain point.
tom segura
Sounds like you have to train to shoot with this thing.
joe rogan
Well, it depends on...
No.
Most of the time, no.
Because most of them are fairly weak.
But, like, you can make them, like, really powerful.
You can make them...
I mean, if you had a recurve bow in particular, like the Mongols, apparently, according to Dan Carlin, that hardcore history guy...
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who's awesome.
He said their bows were 160 pounds to pull back.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Which is crazy.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, it's like doing...
That's so...
Like, it's...
What you're essentially doing is...
You're doing like an 80-pound push and an 80-pound pull at the same time.
It's a lot.
To be able to do that a lot of times in a row, it's way harder than doing that with a compound bow.
Because a compound bow is just a little difficult and then easy.
tom segura
And this is what, who would have these 160-pound ones?
joe rogan
The Mongols did.
This is, you know, 1200s, somewhere around then.
That was technology back then because they figured out a recurve bow is this crazy bow that the way it's designed, if you see a recurve bow that's not strong, it doesn't even look like it would work.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, have you ever seen what they look like?
tom segura
I saw it in this guy's video.
Yeah.
joe rogan
This Fred Eichler guy probably, I don't even think he had a recurve bow.
tom segura
On this hunt?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I think he shoots with what they call a stick bow, which is the most primitive kind.
tom segura
I think I read in his bio, recurve.
joe rogan
Could be a recurve.
I bet he's got a bunch of different ones.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hoyt Buffalo bow recurve.
Is that what he shoots?
jamie vernon
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
With?
Okay.
See if you can show a picture of one without the string.
Because they're so weird looking.
Or, you know what?
Just see if you could find a picture of the Mongol bows.
Because those are the first ones, I think somewhere in that time of the world, was the first ones when people had figured out how to make a recurve bow.
See, that's what the top looks like without the string.
And it's gonna go back to the shape where you see on the bottom, in the same position.
See where it is?
So it's totally bent the other way.
So because of that, it stores up all this extra energy, because you're pulling so far back, and it has this tremendous snapping effect when you let go of the string.
It's pretty dope.
I mean, they're incredibly smart for figuring this out.
And then to make them unbelievably tough.
See, that's what it looks like, unstrung.
Yeah.
And make them so tough that you can pull it all the way back the other way.
Like, they had to figure this shit out.
They had to use a bunch of different materials.
tom segura
Imagine the force that that comes out with.
joe rogan
Incredible force.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's still not as fast as probably a modern-day compound bow.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And also not that consistent, because they didn't have scales.
tom segura
Got to be a lot of accidents, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
The arrows were all probably very inconsistent.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because, like, you're making your own broadheads.
Some of them might be a little heavier than others.
tom segura
It's not a factory mass producing them.
joe rogan
Yeah, now they're making arrows out of, like, aluminum and carbon fiber cores.
And they have, like, a very, like, you know, you buy these arrows from, like, Easton or one of, like, the top-level companies that make arrows.
They have, like, the super high tolerance levels for, like, each one of the arrows that leaves their factory.
They're super straight.
They spin them and shit and make sure that everything's good.
tom segura
Yeah, no, it's incredible how that technology evolved.
joe rogan
Yeah, so there's a lot of these guys, like this guy you're talking about, the Glasson guy, he still uses one of those primitive boats, but he's just so good, he can get away with it.
tom segura
It says, I mean, his bio is incredible, but in this video, it starts with him.
He shoots a moose, and it drops quick, and he fucking comes close to coming in his pants, right?
Like, he makes a sound that you don't even, you can't, he goes...
unidentified
Can you show it to us?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are you allowed to play it online?
Did you get pulled from anything, from playing it on YouTube?
tom segura
No.
And we also play, I mean...
The audio is what's incredible, but then he starts talking about glassing, and he's like, we were just coming around the meadow, we were just glassing, and then we were like, let's glass, let's glass, and he keeps going, glass, glass, glass, glass, which is looking through binoculars, which we discovered, but then we played it so much People, like, I would post a picture of myself, like, I'm about to go on stage, and they're like, are you glassing?
And, like, or, you know, like, if you talk to somebody, like, what'd you do today?
I'm like, oh, I hung out, and they're like, glassing?
And you're like, yeah.
So then it morphed into meaning, like, just chilling.
joe rogan
Chilling?
tom segura
Yeah.
And, I don't know, it just kind of, it picked up from there.
joe rogan
You guys have so many of these, though.
I always have to ask you, okay, what's the deal with jeans?
unidentified
Yeah.
Like...
joe rogan
I know, it's so stupid.
Everybody's calling everybody Jeans.
Like when you guys were on and you had to explain it to me, it was fucking hilarious.
tom segura
Do you know what the latest thing is with that?
First, we had an electrician over at the house and whenever you're in the house, you know, you call your spouse, I'd be like, Jeans, do you know?
Because that's what I call her.
So then she walked down the stairs and he goes, Jeans, would you like me to put the...
And we just let it go.
We called her Jeans.
But then we started going to Starbucks and ordering our drinks.
It's just like a stupid thing that we told our listeners we do.
We do this regularly just to amuse ourselves, which is we'll call them jeans and then say, thank you, mommy, or I love you, mommy, at the end.
And no one ever...
The order happens so fast and it's so programmed that they never catch, they never say, like, what did you say?
So when I pull up...
Like, welcome to Starbucks.
What can I get for you?
I'll be like, hey, Jeans, I want to get an iced coffee, extra ice, and what do you want?
A double toss or a latte.
Okay, that'll be $6.70.
I'm like, thanks, Mommy.
And then I just pull up.
So we told them we did that.
People sent us videos of them doing it.
Fucking hilarious.
Like...
A guy was talking to a bill play place, and he's like, hey, mommy, I don't understand what this bill means.
And the other guy's like, yeah, so that first section, they don't even address that you're calling someone mommy or jeans or saying thank you, mommy, or I love you, mommy.
They're like, okay, have a good day.
It speaks more to almost how pre-programmed customer service becomes.
They're not even acknowledging that you're saying something ridiculous to them.
joe rogan
No.
No, they're not.
It's hilarious.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But also, what do you say when someone says something like that to you?
You're so scrambled.
tom segura
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
Because it doesn't make any sense.
It started off not making any sense, but then it picked up and made a lot of sense.
It's like, well, clearly you can talk English.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
And then it gets to the end, it calls you mommy, and you're like, whoa, what happened?
unidentified
What happened?
tom segura
One time we called the Renaissance in Cincinnati.
joe rogan
The hotel?
tom segura
The hotel, because the year before, a few months before my son was born, we were there for a wedding, and Christina had like a 30-second fart.
She was very pregnant.
We came back, and we talked about it, and we decided it deserved its own name, so it's called the Cincinnati Fart.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
tom segura
And we figured out what room number we were in, and we called the hotel, and I go...
Can I help you?
I go, I want a book.
I want to stay there, but I want to commemorate the Cincinnati fart.
And she goes, I'm sorry, what was that?
And I go, I want to stay in this room.
I think it's room 618 because the Cincinnati fart happened there.
And she goes, I'm just having a little trouble.
What was that?
The what?
And I'm like, the Cincinnati fart?
And she's like, can you spell it for me?
unidentified
And I go, yeah, F-A-R-T. And she stayed professional.
tom segura
Like, she was like, oh, okay.
I'll see what I can do.
joe rogan
Well, she has to.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You probably have cameras on you.
Organic renaissance?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can't go, what the fuck are you talking about?
Why are you wasting my time?
tom segura
Well, I did have a flooring guy.
I go, can you do this floor for me?
And he's like, I can send you some samples.
And I go, great.
He goes, who do I send it to?
I go, it's your mom's house.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tom segura
And he was like, what was that?
And I go, your mom's house?
He goes, my mom's house.
I go, no, that's the name of our company.
Your mom's house.
And I go, yeah.
And he was like, all right, you have a good day.
And he hung up the phone.
And I go, okay.
Like, I wasn't trying to...
For him, it was a totally normal...
I wasn't trying to be funny.
I go, no, that's the name of the company.
joe rogan
He didn't want to listen.
tom segura
He was like, okay.
Okay, you have a good day.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom segura
Yeah, I go, okay.
joe rogan
Did you try...
You let him hang, though.
You should have said, it's actually the name of a podcast we have.
It's called Your Mom's House.
tom segura
We tried to explain it, but he was...
joe rogan
You can go look it up on iTunes.
It's very popular.
tom segura
He was pretty quick with, like, this is a joke.
And I go, okay.
joe rogan
He grew up with a lot of your mom jokes.
tom segura
Yeah, he did.
joe rogan
He's not buying it.
tom segura
Not buying it.
joe rogan
Seems like a guy that just didn't get it.
tom segura
Can you play Fred?
Will you play his audio?
The glassing guy?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Do you have it on your thing?
tom segura
Oh, it's on YouTube.
joe rogan
Okay, what is the name of the video?
tom segura
It's called...
joe rogan
See how it's saved on his phone?
tom segura
I'll tell you.
Give me one moment.
joe rogan
Tom Segura at the Ice House.
Tonight, sold out.
I'm doing Don Marrera's show tonight.
tom segura
And you're at the Ice House.
joe rogan
At the Laugh Factory.
tom segura
Tomorrow.
joe rogan
With Duncan Trussell and Tony Hinchcliffe.
unidentified
Do-do-do.
tom segura
Got a couple of...
unidentified
This should be it.
joe rogan
Okay, crank it up.
Okay, that looks like a compound bow.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, let's see.
Couldn't tell.
It was moving really quick.
Yeah, that's a compound bow.
See the cams at the top of the bow?
That's not a primitive bow at all.
That's a super modern bow.
tom segura
But this dude knows how to do this.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he's a professional bowhunter.
I've seen this guy on TV a ton of times.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's got a TV show that I watch.
Dude, if you go over to my house, you'd think I'm a crazy person.
tom segura
You changed your profile pic.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a silly picture of me with a camera on my face hiding in the trees.
tom segura
I'm trying to make sure this is the right video.
I'm looking.
unidentified
As we're going through the trees, every once in a while I stop and I can still see the moose through the trees.
I know When does it get good?
tom segura
That's what I'm...
It's archery...
Is this it?
Archery moves down?
unidentified
Oh, it's coming up.
Yeah, there you go.
joe rogan
Go there.
tom segura
Here we go.
Okay, it's about to get good.
So you get the full shot.
Oh, shit!
Wait.
It's a countdown to getting real funny.
unidentified
I just smoked her.
She's gonna go down.
Watch her.
joe rogan
Watch her.
tom segura
She's gonna go down.
unidentified
I put a muzzy right through her line.
Jesus.
tom segura
I know, it's intense.
I don't like this part.
unidentified
No way.
Yes!
Have you ever seen a moose go down that quick?
joe rogan
Holy cow!
unidentified
Holy cow is right.
That is awesome.
We got out here early, boy.
Look at the meadow.
This is why, this is why we came up here.
We've been slipping along this big, huge meadow.
joe rogan
Big, long, tall meadow.
unidentified
We've been slipping along here, just glassing, just glassing, glassing.
And all of a sudden, really, I didn't even have, I didn't even put my head in it on.
I'm like, ah, we're just glassing these big, huge meadows.
Let's just keep going.
Let's glass.
joe rogan
I'm glassing.
I'm like, holy smokes.
unidentified
I got a moose.
I got a moose.
joe rogan
And I'm like, oh, man, it's a bull.
unidentified
It's a bull.
tom segura
And I'm like, no, it's a cow.
unidentified
We got a cow right there.
That was unbelievable.
We came right around this tree.
tom segura
Is a cow more significant than a bull?
joe rogan
No.
No, unless he only had a tag for a cow.
tom segura
Oh.
joe rogan
Depends on why he shot a cow, not a bull.
Sometimes it depends on the unit.
Depends on how many cows they have versus how many bulls they have.
They might want people to kill cows.
They probably want a certain amount of cows to be killed a year.
They have weird...
tom segura
Who decides that?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's Fish and Game Department.
tom segura
They go, we have too many of those.
joe rogan
Depends entirely on where you are.
Depends entirely on what part of the world you're in.
tom segura
And then do you report it?
joe rogan
Yep.
You tag an animal.
Like I say, if you shoot a moose.
That's a moose.
This one I shot in British Columbia.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you have a tag, and you take that, you know, you have to pay for it, and they allot a certain amount of them.
Some places they have what's called over-the-counter, which means they just have, it's just kind of open to anybody who wants to pay for the hunting fee and pay for the tag fee, to some species, like particularly pigs.
tom segura
What'd you shoot that with?
joe rogan
That was with a rifle.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yep.
tom segura
Were you glassing before?
joe rogan
We did a little glassing.
No, that was like four solid days of hunting with no luck, and then we were literally driving down this road, and off the side of the road, 70 yards away, was a moose.
It was so crazy.
It happened so fast.
We stopped the truck.
The moose looked up.
He didn't know what we were.
I put a shell.
I put a bullet in the chamber.
Pushed the bolt in.
Took the safety off.
I'm like, do I have time to lean against anything?
I didn't have time to lean against anything.
I just held it up freehand.
Because he was only about 65, 70 yards away.
He was really close.
It was so close.
I knew I could make the shot.
And boom.
tom segura
Boom.
And then down immediately?
joe rogan
He was down immediately.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It's a weird feeling, man.
It's a weird feeling.
tom segura
Yeah, I'll be honest.
joe rogan
I don't do what that guy does.
But part of you gets pumped.
Part of you gets excited.
But I don't act like that guy.
That guy seems a little theatrical.
But I mean, I'm not him personally.
But for him, maybe that's just how he reacts.
tom segura
That's how he reacts.
He was very excited.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Very excited.
Which I understand.
joe rogan
It's not easy to do, especially with a bow and arrow.
It's very difficult to do.
tom segura
I will say, I do feel this thing where I'm not an anti-hunting guy at all, but man, it's hard to watch the animal fall apart.
I don't like it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's hard to watch anything die.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not fun.
And it's one of the problems that we have with eating meat in this country is that we don't watch the animals die.
tom segura
Of course.
It totally affects you.
I went to a slaughterhouse once.
joe rogan
Woo, me too.
tom segura
When I was a teenager, though.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
How long did it stop you from eating meat?
tom segura
No, a few hours at night.
But it still was one of those images that you're like, fuck me.
joe rogan
We filmed Fear Factor in a slaughterhouse once, and you could feel it.
You could feel it in the building.
I mean, maybe it's just my head, but it didn't feel like it.
It felt like a dull hum of death everywhere you were.
There was almost like an ambient sound that you could pick up.
tom segura
I remember the floors.
We had rain boots on.
You could walk around, and there's just so much fluid, so much blood, guts, pieces of things.
Fuck, man.
Yeah.
joe rogan
It makes you really understand what the fuck you're looking at.
tom segura
It definitely could deter you.
I mean, like I said, I was a young teenager and I still hate me, but I think I definitely would be harder as I'm older.
joe rogan
This is something I've considered.
Do you think that if you took kids at an early age to a slaughterhouse, What percentage of them would continue to eat meat?
You'd lose a significant number of them, right?
tom segura
I think that's very interesting, yeah.
joe rogan
So children probably shouldn't be exposed to something that horrific, some would argue, right?
That's a good argument.
Maybe children don't need to see an animal get a piston through its head and get hung up by its ankles and gutted it.
But guess what?
Kids that grow up on farms, they see that shit.
tom segura
True.
joe rogan
Kids that grow up in hunting families, they see that shit.
And it doesn't seem to bother them that much.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think when kids don't see something like that and then they see it, then it really fucks them up.
When we shot this elk in Tohono Ranch, when they were taking the elk apart, we were cutting the quarters off and doing all this stuff.
This one guy, his wife and his little girl came to watch.
And one of the things she said, this elk was lying down on the ground dead.
She's like, is he sleepy?
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's, like, two.
tom segura
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You know, she's a tiny little girl.
She's, like, probably barely talking.
She's like, is he sleepy?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And the mom was like, no, he's dead.
tom segura
She told her.
Yeah.
I think it changed your perspective if you do what you do, for sure.
If you kill and eat what you killed, I think that changed your perspective on it.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think people have to do it.
I'm not one of those people that think that people have to do it, but I do think...
tom segura
You did this and then you used its meat for something.
joe rogan
It's totally different.
It's a totally different feel when you eat it.
And I'm not one of those people that doesn't think you should be able to get meat at a supermarket.
I think you should.
But I think there's definitely something weird about not knowing how that animal died.
That's not normal.
It's like our brains, the way we formulate ideas, A lot of it is based around experience, right?
And the experience, like if you're eating a piece of meat, or if you're even eating fruits or vegetables for that matter, You'll understand that experience better if you go through the whole process.
Like if you're there when the plants are growing, maybe help water them, maybe pick them, maybe cut them up and serve them, and then you're eating them.
tom segura
Having a garden is a fucking cool thing.
joe rogan
It's a cool thing.
It gives you some weird thankfulness, which I think is one of the things that's a problem with people today, is that things come so easy to us that we don't have obstacles to overcome.
And we're not super thankful for the super easy life that we have.
tom segura
Totally.
joe rogan
We think of it as being like, yeah, it's just what it is, man.
tom segura
Traveling somewhere poor will give you perspective on that for sure.
joe rogan
Oh, I'd imagine.
tom segura
Yeah, going to like a really poor place.
You'll definitely rethink, you know, calling over the waiter.
joe rogan
Jamie, who was it that was telling us?
Yeah.
Who was it that was telling us that they landed in the Congo and they were in the, they landed in the wrong spot?
Who the fuck was that?
Was that Tom Papa?
It might have been Tom Papa.
It was Tom Papa, right?
unidentified
They were on safari and emergency land.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're ballooned.
They went up in a balloon like assholes.
Tom Papa's awesome.
tom segura
He's really funny.
joe rogan
He's a funny dude.
He's great on podcasts too, man.
He's such an elegant dance partner for a conversation.
tom segura
You're totally right.
joe rogan
But he's got an amazing story about how they were upping this balloon.
It was Tom Papa, right?
tom segura
Have you done his live show, by the way?
joe rogan
Totally sure.
tom segura
Have you done his live show?
joe rogan
His live show?
What is it?
tom segura
Tom Papa and Friends.
joe rogan
Was it a podcast?
tom segura
No, it's a live, scripted, like a 1930s radio show.
unidentified
What?
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Where does he do it out of?
tom segura
Largo.
joe rogan
No shit.
tom segura
It's fucking fun.
I've been on it a few times.
What he does is he comes out, there's a fucking band that plays, like throwback kind of music, and then he hosts it like a radio show.
And then there's a theme, there's stories, and in between these sketches with live actors, like you have a script and you read in front of an audience, stand up in between.
joe rogan
Does he have his own podcast?
tom segura
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
What is Tom Papa's podcast?
tom segura
For sure.
joe rogan
How do I not know this answer?
Because I knew...
Did he used to do one with somebody?
tom segura
He may have.
joe rogan
Come to Pop.
That's right.
That's right.
It's on iTunes, the whole deal?
tom segura
That was a really good comic, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a very funny guy.
He just has a special that just came out on Epix.
Did it come out already yet, right?
Didn't it come out last weekend or something?
tom segura
It's recent.
It's got to be, what, third, fourth, fifth of his?
joe rogan
Probably.
tom segura
He's had a few.
joe rogan
Do you ever talk to him about sourdough bread?
tom segura
Sourdough bread?
No.
You'll get lost for hours.
Really?
joe rogan
He's a sourdough wizard.
tom segura
He knows all about it.
joe rogan
He can make you sourdough bread.
He'll judge your bread.
You make him some bread and he's like, hmm, good try, but here's what's wrong.
tom segura
I love that quality.
I feel like there's so much of that in comics.
It's one of my favorite attributes about comedians where you're like, this guy's a fucking hockey fanatic.
He will punch you in the face if you say anything.
You know what I mean?
Like they have their little fanaticism.
Yeah, for sure.
unidentified
That's...
joe rogan
Look, that's his bread.
unidentified
Does it get any better than that?
Oh my god!
Am I in a bakery?
Am I in France?
Am I in a bakery?
No.
I'm just baking bread.
tom segura
It's awesome.
It's so cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, that looks really good.
That bread looks fucking sensational.
tom segura
Dude, there was one time I learned, I went to a French cooking class a few, like, six, seven years ago, and I learned a very basic but, you know, a little more sophisticated way to make chocolate souffle.
You know, like the hot lava where you crack, and there's a certain way.
You have to learn the temperature of your oven.
Like, the real way it works is to make multiples because...
It might say 300, but it cooks it in 17 minutes, but at my house, 300 cooks it in 22 minutes, right?
Because different ovens are actually performing at a different level.
The heat is not necessarily what it says.
And you would learn how to mix and season the ramekin and all that.
joe rogan
What's the range you could error in?
tom segura
Well, the thing is, I think most people would agree that you want the souffle to have a crack.
You almost want it to be a crumble, like it breaks through the top.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
But the middle stays a sort of three-quarters type of ooze, softness, you know?
So you don't want it to bake fully because then you have a cake, basically, right?
And if you go under, then it could be like too gooey.
You want like that kind of down the middle.
joe rogan
Oh, I see what you're doing, dude.
You know Bert Kreischer's gonna hear this podcast, he's gonna hear this souffle talk, and he's gonna go off like a rocket.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
I know what you're doing.
tom segura
Not at all.
joe rogan
I can't believe you would use my podcast like that.
tom segura
I would never do something like that.
joe rogan
Dude, that's what you just did.
You've never done this before.
You've never had the scent.
I want a fucking chocolate souffle now.
tom segura
They're incredible.
joe rogan
Do you want vanilla ice cream with yours?
tom segura
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Have to.
tom segura
And you have to let your server know these things take 20 minutes or more.
joe rogan
Yeah, they always tell you if a fancy schmancy place, like if you go to Morton's.
tom segura
Give us a heads up.
joe rogan
If you want the chocolate souffle, let us know now.
tom segura
Dude, when I learned that recipe, I made about 30 in two weeks.
Wow.
Yeah, I think I put on about 30 pounds in those two weeks.
So, yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
Do you now, when you're trying to lose weight for this competition, do you now look at this like, this is the new Tom Segura, I'm just going to eat healthy and lose all this weight, or do you go, I'm just going to beat Bert Kreischer, and then I'm going to go off like a rocket.
tom segura
No, I feel like it becomes a little bit addictive when you start seeing some results.
It kind of reminds me of saving money.
joe rogan
You're addicted to success.
tom segura
When you save money and you see the number go up, and I'm talking even when you're not making a lot of money, you go, I want to save this amount of money.
Sometimes you'll surpass it, and you'll be like, I don't even care about the thing I thought I was saving money for.
It's fun to see it grow.
That becomes the addiction.
He's like, I just want to see it grow.
I think weight loss can be like that.
You go like, oh, I'll just try to lose it.
But then you see the number go down.
You're like, oh, I want to see it keep going down.
joe rogan
That's why when they have those helicopter footage views of these mansions in the Hamptons and they're pulling a guy out in handcuffs because he stole $500 million from his company, that's what the fuck that's all about.
That simple human need to collect, that becomes, you become some corporate villain.
That becomes, you fucking dig into the oil...
In the middle of the ocean.
tom segura
Like every CEO in America.
joe rogan
It's a natural thing that people do.
Sure.
tom segura
But the weight loss one's healthy.
joe rogan
The weight loss one is a healthy one.
But you bring up a real good point.
People do get addicted to success.
And they get addicted to...
I think it's one of the most important things about people.
Is that you have to find what little formula works for your brain.
Everybody's brain is fucking different.
Tell everybody they gotta go for it, and they gotta work out like The Rock, and they gotta read a book a day, like, hey, hey, hey, slow the fuck down.
Everybody doesn't have to do that.
But you gotta find out what it is for you, and I think for almost everybody, There should be something that you're pursuing that you can get better at.
Meaning, it could be art, it could be like you're really in a painting, sculpture, it could be a physical thing, like maybe a yoga thing, or a martial arts thing, or fill in the blank with a hundred archery, a hundred different things that you could, chess, that you could really get into.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
But I think when people work towards something, And then continue to do something and try to improve it, even if it's just your recreational tennis game.
I think those things bring people happiness because I think people have a certain amount of built-in desire to overcome adversity, overcome problems, and we don't get enough of it in real life.
tom segura
Oh, right, right.
So then you get something like a weight loss challenge.
joe rogan
Yeah, anything like that, where you have a difficult struggle.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like you have an accomplishment that you're working towards.
It gives people this sense of meaning, you know, which ultimately, that's the real problem, right, with a lot of people, is that they don't enjoy their life.
And so then they start thinking about, like, what is the purpose of this then?
Because is it just keep being uncomfortable and not happy until your heart stops beating?
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
Yeah, that's a miserable way to live.
A lot of people live like that.
By the way, my point for this too is that I think it's a great endorsement of fat shaming because this is a healthy result where you have two guys.
Ultimately, look, it doesn't even matter.
We both fat shamed and insulted each other and then so did a lot of people.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, you can get away with it because you're a fat guy.
If Jamie started fat shaming you, we'd have a real issue.
tom segura
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
Jamie's skinny.
He runs a lot.
tom segura
What I'm saying is that we benefited from it.
joe rogan
Low fat.
tom segura
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
No, no, you did.
Definitely.
But you guys are all both professional comedians.
Here's a perfect example.
What about a guy who's like a chef?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who's just some fucking bomb-ass chef.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's a master chef and he keeps creating all these new dishes, but he's a fat fuck.
And he eats like a pig and he drinks wine every night like Gerard Depardieu.
tom segura
Well, look, if that guy loves that, you're right.
I'm not encouraging, I'm not saying you should go on fat shame everybody.
I'm saying, what I'm saying is that there is an outcome in which it can be effective and not negative.
I'm not saying, hey, anybody who's fat, you should fucking fat shame them.
I'm just saying that in this scenario, The outcome could be that, like, it ends, let's say it ended today, and we are where we are.
Both of us just actually ended up eating healthier and working out for a month.
And, you know what I mean?
And we weigh less than we did, we're healthier than we were a month ago.
joe rogan
Well, I think different people have different abilities of tolerating jokes pointed at them.
There's a different effect.
Like, you could say something to me, and it probably has a different effect.
tom segura
That's totally true.
joe rogan
Than maybe someone who doesn't do comedy, or maybe someone who's not used to someone joking around with them.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think that's a factor, too.
tom segura
I don't think you should emotionally traumatize a fat person.
I hope it didn't sound like I was trying to say that.
joe rogan
But for some people, it takes being called fat to get them off their ass.
tom segura
That's my point, is that I feel like, I should say, that with me and with some people...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tom segura
I mean, in a healthy way.
I never took it to really...
I don't know.
It didn't affect me in a horrible...
It affected me in a motivating way.
joe rogan
You and I have had a ton of conversations over the years about health and fitness and weight loss and stuff like that.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you wanted to do something, I always felt like you would definitely do something, and you always worked out.
Yeah.
tom segura
This became something that I want to do, just channeled through this other thing.
That's ultimately what it was.
joe rogan
I've told this story before, but when Kevin James was losing weight, his manager at the time, who he got rid of, was telling him that if he loses weight, he loses roles.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was telling him to not be healthy because you won't get as much work.
That is goddamn crazy, Tom.
tom segura
I had a manager tell me, don't lose the weight.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
That's the same thing.
What the fuck kind of advice is that?
That's so crazy.
tom segura
I know.
joe rogan
Don't be better as a person.
It's going to fuck up your comedy.
tom segura
They were thinking of casting.
They were like, there's this many roles, so you could get one.
joe rogan
I wonder if they would approach it differently now.
Because now, like, casting, it's always going to be good to be on a sitcom.
It's always going to be good to be in a movie.
But if you're someone like you, who has a successful podcast and then does Netflix specials, I'll take that over all those things all day.
tom segura
It's a good life.
joe rogan
It's the best life.
You're creating your own shit.
You're doing your own thing.
You're doing it when you want to.
You're being very prolific.
You're having fun.
I mean, you've done two specials in, what, two and a half years?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's pretty fucking badass.
You did one, and then you did another one, like, was it like a year and a half later or somewhere in that range?
tom segura
I did it, yeah, about 16 to 18 months later.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, that's fucking giant.
tom segura
Yeah, I'm working on another one.
joe rogan
Yeah, but see, no interference, man.
You're right.
You don't have some crazy executives that want to change the direction of the show.
tom segura
Yeah, that's a whole world that I've learned.
It's really weird, like just from writing.
Yeah, like having the script deals.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
A lot of people get involved.
At first, they don't.
At first, there's nothing.
It's just like you and an idea.
joe rogan
They have conversations with you that you just want to go, what did you just say?
tom segura
I had one one time where we had this conversation with an executive who said, like, we kind of want shows like, and I'll just make it up, right?
Like, let's say, like an HBO show.
That's not what they say.
And you go, okay.
And that was just one of the things they said.
And then on the first notes pass, which is like they read your first draft, the first thing that the same executive said was, this kind of feels like an HBO show.
We were like, what?
That's what you said.
And they were like, no, it's too much like that.
joe rogan
Oh my God, that's hilarious.
tom segura
So that's the kind of shit you can deal with on a writing deal where you're like, I don't know where to go from that.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, those deals are so odd.
You work with writers, and sometimes you don't know a person, you sit down with them, start trying to write a script with them, it just gets really strange.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
But when the execs come in is when it really gets strange.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They have their own wacky ideas.
I pitched a show once, and the guy I was pitching it with had a panic attack.
tom segura
He had a panic attack at the pitch?
joe rogan
In the pitch meeting.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He held it together, but he's a really nice guy.
Very smart guy, too.
He's a real good writer.
Very funny guy.
I used to be a comic.
And then in the middle of this meeting, he just locked up.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
You could see it.
You know, I just had really struggled to try to get through the pitch.
And I couldn't jump in.
I mean, if I jumped, I didn't know what to do.
tom segura
Pitches are so funny, man.
Pitches are like...
For people who haven't done it, pitching a show, in my estimation, in my experience, is a lot like a blind date the first five minutes.
That's how a pitch feels, because they'll be like, hey, I'm supposed to meet you at 2, right?
And you're like, yeah, 2 o'clock.
And then they're like, what's going on?
And then usually the popular thing, especially for comedy people, is they're like, first, just be yourself and just make it funny.
And you make a decision, like, you're like, I'm going to joke about this.
And you, like, sometimes you get on a roll.
Like, people are, you're gelling.
Like, this is, it's funny, natural conversation.
But sometimes it's like an awkward first date where you're like, yeah, you like moose?
And the person's like, what?
And then you kind of feel it being awkward, and they start to be like, I don't know if this is a great date, you know?
And then they're like, at that point, like, I don't know if I would go on a second date with you.
It's like the feel.
They go, so what's the idea?
And you're already feeling like...
Shit, this isn't a good date to begin with.
And then you start trying to throw out an idea, like, you'll like this, even though I don't think you like me.
And then you kind of...
And it either rolls down that hill where you leave the room like, that was awkward, right?
joe rogan
A pitch is still one step removed from an audition, though.
An audition's the worst.
tom segura
Yeah, that is definitely the worst.
They also, you feel like sometimes you walk in the room in an audition and you feel like the casting director or person...
Made the decision as you walk in the room.
You ever have that, where you walk in and you're like, this person's definitely a no.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you have to keep going.
tom segura
You gotta keep going.
I had a guy check emails once during an audition.
You know?
unidentified
I was like, uh...
tom segura
Then another time I improvised a line, and the guy laughed, and he goes, that was rude.
And I was like, what was...
He goes, stick to the script.
I'm like, oh, man.
It's punched to the fucking gut like that.
joe rogan
It's so hard.
tom segura
Have you had a bad pitch?
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, that was a bad pitch, where the guy had a panic attack.
That was the end of that.
tom segura
Have you ever tried to pitch, though, like, where you're like, and you're like, this is going terribly bad right now?
joe rogan
I pitched a show that the dude laughed at me.
He thought I was joking, but I was totally serious.
It was about a bunch of girls who work at a bikini pizza place during the day, and at night they find crime, and it's called Pizza Sluts.
tom segura
LAUGHTER Yeah?
joe rogan
They work at a place called Pizza Sluts.
tom segura
And he's like...
Alright, what's the real pitch?
joe rogan
I wanted to do...
It was a stoned idea I had.
But the idea was to do like a super over-the-top...
Ridiculous, like, Charlie's Angels type thing with some girls that worked at a pizza place.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was the cover for this, like, secret crime-fighting organization.
It was so stupid.
Like, I didn't have ideas for scripts.
I didn't have anything.
tom segura
But see, I think I would at least be smiling if that was the pitch.
joe rogan
He laughed.
He laughed, but he was like, we can't do that.
tom segura
You ever see my mayor sizzle?
You saw that?
Where I play basically like a Rob Ford type character?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I did see that.
Play that.
tom segura
We shot that, you know, a couple years ago.
We pitched it to a lot.
We sent them that or we'd bring it with us.
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
There's some people that laugh and like, it's like I said, it's like meeting a new person.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
There's one guy who we're like, so did you see the sizzle?
And he goes, yeah.
He's like, what else is there?
Like that kind of, where he's just like, shuts it down, you know?
Oh yeah, man.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let me hear this.
Harry Pryor.
unidentified
Mr. Mayor?
Baby boy, drink with me!
Mr. Mayor, this is Stan Ramsey from the budget office.
jamie vernon
We're using Stan for some healthcare PSAs.
tom segura
He was recently diagnosed with cancer.
God, I'm sorry, Stan.
What kind?
unidentified
Lung.
jamie vernon
I don't even smoke.
tom segura
What do the doctors say?
unidentified
They gave me six months.
tom segura
You know something?
My aunt had lung cancer, and they gave her that same prognosis.
And that was 14 years ago.
unidentified
Really?
She remained cancer free?
tom segura
No, she died 13 and a half years ago.
jamie vernon
Why are you telling me this?
tom segura
Because it was like six months to the day.
I mean, these doctors, they know their shit.
unidentified
It's great meeting you, Stan.
Hey, and definitely swing by before...
April.
tom segura
We can set that up through my office.
joe rogan
It's just the people's mayor?
Yeah, it's decided to do like a Rob Ford character.
tom segura
Yeah, I mean like it wasn't pitched that way, but as you know, you could tell that was obviously the influence.
joe rogan
Would you like to ramp it up and start with coke?
tom segura
Dude.
joe rogan
Like Rob Ford, the thing that was so interesting about him is they had video of him smoking crack.
tom segura
This leads down a sucking black dick for crack.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
Sucking a black dick.
tom segura
Yeah, well accused of it.
And he's like, I don't think so.
But it was written by Tom Ruprecht.
He was a Letterman writer for years and years and years.
Really funny guy.
I just played the role, but pitching that was a rollercoaster.
Because we had so many good people involved in it, you know?
And I was like...
And then the pitch, I just can't help but...
I know I'm repeating it, but it's like a blind date.
It was like people would be like, oh my god, that's fucking awesome.
And then they'd be like, I hate you.
joe rogan
I think in the position, you're going to an executive and you're saying, hey, spend money.
tom segura
Spend money.
joe rogan
Spend money.
I want to make a hit.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, what's your idea?
And then, you know, well, it's a bunch of girls in their bikinis.
Get the fuck out of here.
tom segura
Get out of here.
That's stupid.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's stupid.
Stupid idea.
I'm glad they said no.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But every now and then.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone will come in their office and something clicks, and they decide, oh, let's take a chance.
And they take a chance on ten things, and only one of them works.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, how many shows get fucking canceled and they cost a shitload of money to make?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Happens all the time.
tom segura
True.
joe rogan
Do you remember that show with the dude from ER? What's his name?
Noah.
Noah Wiley?
Remember he had a show, like an alien show?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was this crazy special effects alien invasion show and they hyped the shit out of it and spent all this money on it.
tom segura
If you're on a hit show, you get so many more chances after that.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, you do.
tom segura
They'll keep putting you in shit, man.
joe rogan
There it is.
Falling Skies.
It's kind of funny looking.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, like, the creatures were badass looking.
They're bizarre.
But it's a weird show.
It's like, what is going- what is this?
Yeah.
Like, look at these creatures.
So they're hanging out.
Like, once you're hanging out with aliens, god damn, that's hard to pull off.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You turn your back to a lizard person.
Like, you're not freaking out by the fact that thing's from another goddamn planet that's behind you.
You can look to the skies.
I would never let one of those fuckers behind me.
Everywhere I'd walk, I'd have my back to the wall.
tom segura
Well, it's every instinct had to be to kill.
Of course.
joe rogan
Dude, you see that picture or the animated GIF file that I put up on my Instagram?
tom segura
Which one?
joe rogan
Of an owl swooping in and jacking this other bird?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
I think it's a hawk.
It jacks, too.
tom segura
It looks like some- I tell you what I did watch was your tree cutting thing.
joe rogan
Holy shit, is that disturbing.
tom segura
Fuck is that thing.
joe rogan
See that machine?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've seen those before, but that one seemed like- Just picks up trees.
Maybe I forgot how efficient they were.
Just cuts them in half, strips the, look at that, saws it in half, lifts it up in the air, buzzes through all the bark.
tom segura
As it's holding it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Cuts it again, buzzes through the bark, totally strips the bark off.
I mean, that's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Strips all the branches off, cuts it, blam.
tom segura
It's so...
I know, it's incredible.
joe rogan
Blamp.
It's nuts, man.
tom segura
There's a dude manning that.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
tom segura
Fucking wild.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's so disturbing when you see the brutal, brutal efficiency of it.
Look how it just saws through it.
And all those wheels and gears on it.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Really incredible, man.
tom segura
Unreal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But anyway, that's not shit compared to the owl.
This owl swoops down and jacks this bird.
I don't know what kind of bird.
It actually looks like a pigeon more than it looks like a hawk, right?
What does that look like, that bird?
Look at the eyes in the distance.
See the eyes?
Watch this, motherfucker.
tom segura
Whoa!
joe rogan
Yeah, that other bird doesn't even know what happened.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
He's like, hey, see, look at his face.
That looks like a raptor, doesn't it?
tom segura
Yeah, I mean, it has quite a beak on it, though, right?
joe rogan
I think that's some kind of a raptor.
tom segura
What kind of distance this thing's coming from?
joe rogan
Dude, and it sees them, they don't see it, and booyah!
tom segura
Later.
joe rogan
And they don't just grab you, they kick you.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, as it closes in, Watch it one more time.
We're like sadists now.
Those eyes.
Look, he's just fucking swooping in.
Those eyes are so creepy.
tom segura
Awesome to watch animals do it.
joe rogan
But watch how he kicks them.
Bitch!
Like, it's not just a grab.
It's a stun.
Like, it kicks them and then sinks the claws in.
tom segura
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
You ever seen an owl's talons?
tom segura
Yeah, they're incredible.
joe rogan
They're enormous.
tom segura
Yeah.
That other bird turned its head and was like, you say something?
joe rogan
Why is it that we take these ruthless, fascinating...
Birds of prey.
These predators in nature.
We make them out to be these lovely sweethearts.
Like owls.
tom segura
There's nothing funnier than Matt Bronger's bit about owls.
It's about that.
Oh, that's hilarious.
It's so fucking funny.
joe rogan
It's about how ruthless owls are?
tom segura
How savage they are.
I'm paraphrasing.
It's an older bit of his, but people are like, oh, they're so good.
That thing will rip your fucking face off.
He has a really, really well-written bit about it.
Look at that.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
tom segura
People try to make them cute.
They're like, oh, they're adorable.
joe rogan
They're amazing.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're night predators.
Night flying predators with giant eyes.
unidentified
Look at that.
tom segura
Those eyes, too, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, we were at, there's a rescue place that we go to sometimes.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
They take care of wildlife and rehabilitate them, and they had this one owl that was blind, like pretty much blind.
It couldn't fly.
It would just perch, and it was a really small owl.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you sit there and look at this thing.
I think it's in Silmar, I think the place is.
I forget where it's at.
It's in the 818, but it's got this little...
This little owl, and you're looking in his fucking eyes, man.
You're like, what a strange creature.
And his eyes look almost like cracked, because he's blind.
Like, it looks like you're looking through a cracked television glass or something.
tom segura
And it's old?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's old.
He's old, and maybe something happened to his eyes, too.
It might have been an injury or something like that.
You know, sometimes birds will fly into windows.
That happens a lot.
tom segura
We have the outline of one on a window.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
Look at those eyes.
Is that that one bird?
jamie vernon
I don't know.
joe rogan
Blind owl.
Yeah, look at his eyes.
They look like they're cracked inside.
There's something wrong, something missing.
He's looking at the universe.
That guy looks like a portal to the heavens.
Look at his right eye.
It's like a constellation map, or his left eye.
tom segura
That's true.
joe rogan
The left eye is a constellation, the right eye is a storm.
tom segura
It's not even a reflection of something that looks like that.
That's what it looks like in that eye.
joe rogan
It's just such a bizarre animal.
Like if that didn't exist, like if there was no owls and then they just found one, you'd be obsessed.
You'd be like, holy shit, have you seen that new animal they discovered?
Yeah, it's called an owl.
They're calling it an owl.
Dude, it's this giant flying thing with huge talons and it only hunts at night and it's smart as fuck.
They just swoop down and jack everything.
tom segura
Yeah, that's an incredible predator, man.
joe rogan
Well, it's really interesting that the balance of those things, other than when people get infected or involved, rather, the balance of those things is like how many of them exist.
It's all dependent upon how much there is for them to eat.
It's like the more rabbits there are, the more rats there are, the more the owls will thrive.
If you didn't have those things, like people are always in LA, they're always worried about coyotes.
Oh man, it's fucking coyotes.
It's bullshit.
We gotta get these coyotes out of our neighborhood.
Oh, do you like rats?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you like rats?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
I don't like rats.
Yeah, neither do I. How do rats get to your fucking house?
Coyotes.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hey, my cat.
Don't put your cat outside.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fucking mittens.
Doesn't know what the hell a goddamn coyote is.
tom segura
Right.
Yeah, people flip out about that.
joe rogan
You need coyotes.
tom segura
I've seen a fucking coyote jogging down, trotting down a fountain with a dog in its mouth before, at night, late at night.
joe rogan
That's dark.
tom segura
And then I saw a pack of them came to an apartment building I lived at once, and you heard this like weird squeaking, like screeching.
At first I thought it was an animal was hurt.
joe rogan
Where were you?
tom segura
I was in Silver Lake.
joe rogan
Holy shit!
tom segura
And I was like, man, what is that?
Sounds like a dog's crying.
And I opened the door and the door that was near the street, the apartment there, had a glass door open but a screen door.
And they had a bigger dog.
And then there was like six coyotes.
joe rogan
Trying to get that dog.
tom segura
Yeah, and they were making this incredible crying noise.
unidentified
Holy shit.
tom segura
We were fucking fixated, like, oh my god.
Like, for a second, I thought, they're gonna fucking run through that door.
joe rogan
Imagine if they got through and just made a bloodbath out of the hallway.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He came down, he found this coyote's...
tom segura
Now, as a pitch, I'm already in on this one.
unidentified
Okay.
tom segura
I'm going to pitch this.
unidentified
What is it?
tom segura
If I can six coyotes see a dog break in and make a bloodbath of an entire family.
joe rogan
Jesus.
tom segura
Halloween 2017. Coyotes?
joe rogan
Wild coyotes if you come start killing people?
tom segura
Why not?
joe rogan
I don't like it.
It makes me uncomfortable.
tom segura
Alright, then don't fucking buy it.
I just tried to sell it to you.
joe rogan
Alright, dude.
tom segura
Alright.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
I'll go.
joe rogan
Okay, we all have different tastes.
I'm not into that.
tom segura
Jamie was into it.
joe rogan
Do you know that coyotes are wolves?
tom segura
No.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're wolves.
They used to call them prairie wolves.
That's why they can breed with wolves.
They have that thing called a coy wolf that's like a hybrid between a coyote and a wolf.
It's not just a hybrid between a coyote and a wolf.
There's actually a lot of them now.
There's like the percentage of hybrid.
It's like sometimes a hybrid mixes with a pure coyote.
Sometimes a hybrid mixes with another hybrid.
Sometimes a hybrid mixes with another wolf.
So there's like a bunch of different levels of coyotes and wolves, but ultimately, they're all wolves.
Coyotes are a type of wolf.
tom segura
But the difference between dogs and wolves is dramatic, right?
I think I read that like...
joe rogan
Only by image.
tom segura
By image only?
joe rogan
Yeah, the genetics are exactly the same.
tom segura
But then the natural abilities of them...
joe rogan
I shouldn't say the genetics, because obviously they vary, right?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But what I should say is, when you research a dog's DNA... All dogs came from wolves.
So they became a dog.
But obviously an English Bulldog is very different than a Husky, is very different than a Rottweiler.
There's a lot of weird variations in genes.
But all of them originated with wolves.
tom segura
Interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't even know how.
tom segura
And coyotes come from wolves?
joe rogan
Coyotes are wolves.
tom segura
Are wolves.
joe rogan
And some coyotes have bred with dogs.
When we did a Fear Factor shoot once, we stumbled upon this litter of puppies that this Labrador had had with a coyote.
It was really weird.
tom segura
Do you ever see a mountain lion?
joe rogan
I've seen mountain lions.
I've seen them twice.
I saw one in Colorado, and I saw one in Santa Barbara.
I saw one in Montecito, that Montecito neighborhood.
We were driving to a restaurant.
We're driving up the street, and this thing runs across the road, and I'm looking at it, and I'm like, oh, and I saw its tail.
And I'm like, oh my god, it's a cat.
That's a cat.
That's a big cat.
Holy shit.
It's such a different feeling, man.
When you see, and when I say big cat, It was probably about 60 or 70 pounds.
I'm just guessing.
Anywhere between 50 and 70 pounds.
It wasn't big like a big mountain lion.
Some of them get to be 150 plus pounds.
It wasn't that big.
tom segura
Those can be bad motherfuckers.
joe rogan
They're all bad motherfuckers.
My point is that 51 will fuck you up.
tom segura
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
50-pound mountain line will fuck you up, man.
You don't want to see that.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
That's a terrible...
So to see it in this really nice neighborhood...
We went to this really nice Italian restaurant, and we're driving down this residential street, and we're like, holy shit, that's a killer.
That thing's just roaming and looking for dogs and shit.
tom segura
Yeah, what if it saw you walking your dog, you know?
joe rogan
They'll take your dog.
Coyotes take your dog all the time.
You hear stories about old ladies in Brentwood walking their poodles, click, click, click, they hear the clicks of the nails of the coyote behind them, and the coyote just snatches that dog right off the leash.
Yeah.
tom segura
That's horrible.
joe rogan
They'll eat anything.
Especially when they're in urban environments.
They actually target cats and dogs, because cats and dogs kill a lot of what they kill.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they don't just look at a cat.
This is one of the things I found out from this Coyote America book that I read.
Was that they don't just look at a cat as something to eat.
They really look at it as a competing predator.
tom segura
Oh, so I got to get rid of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, because that thing's eating all the fucking birds.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
That thing's eating all the rats.
That thing's eating...
It's killing everything.
tom segura
I never thought of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't like it.
They don't like having competing predators around.
tom segura
Kill the competition.
joe rogan
I mean, they'll kill it if it was a chicken, obviously.
They would kill it if it was something that wasn't a competing...
Like, if it was a bunny rabbit, they would kill it, too.
So it's hard to say why they're killing it.
They easily could be killing it for food, but they believe that they target those animals because those animals are fellow predators.
tom segura
Interesting.
joe rogan
They must know.
They must be able to tell when something's a predator.
tom segura
I saw this piece, a news piece, about how they would have much better chance of survival, the mountain lions out here, if we had overpasses over the freeways for them to roam.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're going to build those.
tom segura
Yeah.
Are they going to build it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I know that in Europe they have them someplace.
joe rogan
They got to do them here and they're going to spend millions of dollars and people are up in arms.
People are like, fuck these things.
Well, one of them just killed, I think it was like, we looked this up the other day, right?
Twelve alpacas or eleven alpacas and one goat in Malibu.
Just went on a rampage.
Just decided, I just want to jump the fence and fuck these things up.
Didn't eat one of them.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Just killed him for the fuck of it.
tom segura
Do you think it was like for fun or because it saw it as- Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a good time.
tom segura
Yeah, good time.
joe rogan
Can't resist.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of things stuck in a cage.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I can get in that cage.
I get over the top of that thing.
All right, I'm going to do it.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I mean, it's like probably a thrill for him.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
These totally tame things that aren't going to run good.
Like think about how many times that thing's trying to sneak up on a deer and the deer sees him and boing, boing, boing.
Fuck!
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
I mean, how many times does that thing have to go on a stalk before it actually gets a deer?
tom segura
So it walked out of that cage like...
joe rogan
It just satisfied.
It just probably came all over the place.
Yeah, see if you've...
They gave a depredation order to kill this thing.
And people are up in arms about that.
They're like, no, we want the monster that kills the alpacas to stay near our children in our house.
No, don't kill it.
I'm a big mountain lion fan, folks.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm a big fan of wolves, too.
But when you got something in your neighborhood that kills 11 alpacas, what if it was a werewolf?
Okay?
What if a werewolf was in your neighborhood and decided to kill a bunch of sheep?
It got a reprieve!
They decided to change this.
Wow, they gave a depredation order, which means the rancher was allowed to kill it.
So it looks like the mountain lion got a reprieve.
A neighbor had offered to shoot the big cat known as P-45.
Can you make that a little bigger?
Thank you, sir.
For Victoria Von Perling, but she told reporters it was never her intention to have the cougar killed.
Instead, she said she'd hoped game officials would capture it and get it away from her ranch.
Okay, so the woman who had the alpacas didn't want the mountain lion to be killed.
She indicated that public outrage might have played a role in her decision, adding she was surprised by the vitriol.
Oh, of course.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, people who don't know, especially someone who's like a rancher, is raising alpacas and they're not paying attention to how nutty social justice warriors get online when it comes to things like this.
But here's the thing, folks.
You've got a problem if you've got something that's in your neighborhood that kills a lot of livestock, especially the way it did it there, where it killed a bunch of them and didn't even eat it.
tom segura
Where would they drop that thing, by the way, you think, if they were trying to do that?
joe rogan
They would take it somewhere like Big Bear or somewhere probably close by, but far enough away that it would...
Maybe could stake out a new territory, but there's no guarantee that it doesn't come back.
See, the thing about mountain lions as opposed to people is they know where the fuck they are, and they know how to get home.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, they have some weird built-in sense of direction.
Like, mountain lions will travel hundreds of miles in their lives.
unidentified
Hundreds.
joe rogan
Hundreds of miles.
tom segura
And they'll get back to where they were?
joe rogan
Dude, there was a mountain lion that was killed in fucking Connecticut, and it originated in South Dakota.
tom segura
That's really far.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was hit by a car in Connecticut.
And they were like, what in the fuck is this?
tom segura
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why is there a mountain lion on the road?
See if you can find that story.
tom segura
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
So I don't butcher it with my shit memory.
I didn't take Alphabrain today.
tom segura
No?
joe rogan
No, I forgot.
Forgot to grab it on the way out.
Now I'm stupid.
tom segura
Keeps you sharper?
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
And the phlegm didn't help either.
The phlegm at the beginning of the podcast.
Tying me up.
Connecticut mountain lion walked from South Dakota.
tom segura
1,500 miles.
joe rogan
140-pound male cougar, which is a big cat.
Estimated between two and five years old.
Almost certainly left its native habitat to look for mates, but went in the wrong direction, according to Adrian...
How do you say that name?
Adrian Wydevin, a mammal ecologist with the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources.
He was looking for love in all the wrong places.
tom segura
There's one of those expressions.
joe rogan
He was struck by an SUV on the Wilbur Cross Parkway in Milford, Connecticut.
I know where that is.
I used to play pool around there.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
I used to play pool in Milford.
Yeah, in that area.
I think it was Milford.
That's too bad.
On June 11th, the driver was unhurt, but the cougar died at the scene.
tom segura
Fuck, man.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom segura
See, that cougar was just glassing, and the guy hit him.
joe rogan
That's interesting that they initially thought that it had been released from captivity, given that no mountain lion had been sighted in the state for more than 100 years.
tom segura
Jesus!
That's so long, man.
joe rogan
It's crazy, yeah.
They've spotted them in a lot of places, and now they're a fact.
Like, a big one is Florida.
You know, Florida, the cougars in Florida were like a legend just a few years ago.
And now there's a lot of video of them.
Have you seen the one where the lady's walking down a fence?
She's walking on a bridge, rather.
And as she's walking down the bridge, the fucking mountain line's on the bridge and runs past her.
And she films the whole thing.
She's freaking out.
tom segura
No.
unidentified
Holy shit.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
It's a big one, too.
And it's a little narrow-ass wooden bridge.
Check this shit out.
Like, watch.
Give me some volume, Jamie.
Give me some fucking volume.
unidentified
Watch this.
joe rogan
Where's the volume?
Here, watch this.
unidentified
Watch.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Watch this.
unidentified
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Holy shit.
Dude.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
Are you fucking kidding me?
For the people listening, not watching, this mountain lion, which is really big, runs by this lady.
I guess it's a Florida panther, but it's the same animal.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
It runs by this lady within a couple of feet of her.
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, maybe one foot.
tom segura
Right next to her, man.
joe rogan
I mean, and it's huge.
This cat is goddamn enormous, but it's...
You know, she's lucky that she's standing up.
tom segura
Where was that?
Florida.
No, but in her description?
joe rogan
It's your mom's house.
tom segura
She was at my mom?
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, your mom was in Florida.
unidentified
That's true.
That's true.
It does.
She does.
Naples.
jamie vernon
Corkscrews, swamp sanctuary.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're eating rednecks out there, folks.
Don't fucking kid yourself.
tom segura
Do not fuck with that.
joe rogan
Bubba went missing, man.
He was out there frogging.
He went out there frogging.
We never heard from him again.
tom segura
Oh, there's a lot of shit that can kill you.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Everything eats you.
You go out there and, like, fucking...
What was that one...
Do you remember that one movie?
Goddammit.
Southern Comfort.
Do you remember Southern Comfort?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Southern Comfort is about some National Guard.
It's a fucking good movie.
Goddammit.
Before I say that, it might not hold up.
tom segura
Okay.
unidentified
It might be one of those movies.
tom segura
I love it.
Yes, I know exactly what you mean.
joe rogan
When you're 16, you're like, dude, Roadhouse is just shit.
Dude, does Patrick Klasey know karate for real?
Are you fucking really asking me that?
tom segura
Southern Comfort.
joe rogan
Yeah, so it was about these National Guard guys that went down into the swamp, and they were doing some sort of exercise, and they pissed somebody off, and they got in some sort of an exchange with people, and they shot at someone.
They shot at someone with blanks.
They didn't have real bullets.
They were just being an asshole.
And when they shot at someone, they shot at some...
Cajun guy who like lived in the swamps.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they set up waiting for these guys and they took one out with a rifle from a distance.
And when he died, they went, oh my God, like this guy's shot and killed in front of them.
And then it became, I don't want to give away spoiler alert, but it becomes these guys trying to survive in the woods with these crazy fucking Cajun people that have been living there their whole lives.
It's deep, dude.
It's deep.
tom segura
It's no pizza sluts, but it's a fucking good idea.
joe rogan
See, pizza sluts, you knew it was bullshit going in.
See, that was the part that this guy didn't get.
It's a good fucking movie, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a good fucking movie.
I remember this.
It might suck.
I'm going to warn you.
If you go watch it, Joe Rogan, I saw Altered States.
That movie's fucking terrible.
And you're right.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're right.
Altered States changed my life, but it's terrible.
tom segura
Yeah.
A lot of old movies don't hold up.
joe rogan
Nope.
Try watching that shit today.
tom segura
Comedies, too.
Sometimes you're like, that's the funniest shit.
And then you watch it again.
You're like, hmm.
joe rogan
Someone was telling me that about Stripes.
They tried to watch Stripes.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they're like, this movie's fucking terrible.
tom segura
Yeah, if you see...
I mean, you know the thing that you don't give enough credit to on something like that?
Something like Stripes was one of the blueprints for how to make that kind of comedy.
And if you're somebody that didn't see Stripes, but saw a hundred bad versions of Stripes, and then you see it, then it looks bad.
Because you know, formulaically, who the characters, you're like, that's this character, that character.
You've seen versions of all the jokes, you know it, so then it feels like, oh, this is just another bad, when it's actually the original.
joe rogan
Right.
It's also a problem that Like everything else, it just kind of keeps getting better.
People get better at it.
Yeah, you're right.
Like Superbad.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like Superbad didn't exist before Stripes.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And like Stripes kind of opened the door for movies like Superbad.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
But ultimately, Superbad's funnier.
tom segura
Yeah, it's better.
It's a better movie.
joe rogan
God damn, that movie's funny.
tom segura
It's really funny, man.
joe rogan
That's a funny, that's a fucking by yourself, holding your sides at home, laughing your ass off funny movie.
tom segura
Yeah.
Yeah, you're right.
joe rogan
So the ones that they really knock it out of the park today...
But it has to be one that they knock...
There's a lot of shit...
But there's always a lot of shit comedies.
There were shit comedies then, there's shit comedies now.
tom segura
What's a really good comedy lately?
Have you seen one?
I don't think I've seen one.
joe rogan
That Fred Eichler Glasson video.
tom segura
Fucking Glasson's hysterical.
Jamie, you seen a good movie?
Good comedy?
joe rogan
I'm trying to remember one that I've seen recently that was really funny.
I heard Trainwreck was funny, but I didn't see it.
Mmm...
Name one movie.
tom segura
I'm trying to think.
joe rogan
Goddammit!
What about a good movie?
Have you seen a good movie recently?
tom segura
I saw Shark Bites.
The Shallows, I saw that.
joe rogan
What's that?
tom segura
I mean, it was just entertaining.
It was Blake Lively alone, sharks after her.
You know, it was silly.
It wasn't like...
For what it was, it was like entertaining.
joe rogan
You know what the problem with movies is now?
HBO and Netflix.
tom segura
They're so fucking badass.
joe rogan
They just clanged it over the head.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, when you watch a new episode of Game of Thrones, you're so goddamn invested in that show.
tom segura
Well, they can go so much further with where the story's gonna go.
unidentified
Damn.
tom segura
They can go so deep.
You know, if you know you have 10, 13...
15 hours to tell a story, you can really make those hours meaningful.
It's totally different than a great show that you get into.
I mean, it just changed.
Dude, I think I've told you.
Have you ever watched Fargo, the TV series?
joe rogan
I heard it's amazing.
tom segura
It's fucking unbelievable.
joe rogan
There's too many good shows.
tom segura
That guy's unreal.
Noah, I forget his last...
That guy's unreal, man.
Those shows are so good.
joe rogan
Is Billy Bob Thornton still in it?
tom segura
No, he's...
joe rogan
Don't tell me anything.
Stop saying anything.
Don't you spoil it.
tom segura
No, I won't spoil anything.
But you should watch season one and season two.
I will watch it.
joe rogan
Don't threaten me, though, dude.
What...
jamie vernon
Deadpool was pretty good.
I was like, I don't know if you consider it necessarily a full comedy.
unidentified
Yes, I would.
joe rogan
I would call that a superhero comedy, and I agree with you.
That was really funny.
tom segura
Deadpool?
joe rogan
That was a good movie.
tom segura
That was really fucking funny.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And that dude's really funny.
joe rogan
Yeah, Ryan O'Neal.
He's funny.
unidentified
Reynolds.
tom segura
Reynolds.
joe rogan
Same guy.
tom segura
Same guy.
joe rogan
Handsome guy's name Ryan for a thousand, Alex.
tom segura
His wife is the star of the shark one I saw.
That's his wife.
joe rogan
Well, there you go.
tom segura
There you go.
joe rogan
Makes sense.
tom segura
That's why it was great.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a funny dude.
That was a good movie.
tom segura
Really funny.
I wonder if that new one, that new one has like a pretty funny trailer, the Aniston work one.
You know what I mean?
jamie vernon
Christmas office party.
tom segura
Yeah, it's like an R-rated comedy.
It looks like it could be fun.
I mean, I haven't seen it.
joe rogan
Jennifer Aniston, is that what you just said?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
It's going to be funny?
tom segura
I think so.
joe rogan
You just said that?
tom segura
Yeah, it's got T.J. Miller.
It's got some other people.
joe rogan
You alright?
Okay.
That's what I like.
Good, solid Jennifer Aniston movie.
tom segura
Dude, if you're not a fucking Friends...
joe rogan
I never watch Friends.
tom segura
No, it's very...
It's just formulaic, man.
It's generic, but people like the characters.
unidentified
Friends?
tom segura
Yeah, I think so.
unidentified
Sure.
tom segura
It hits all the notes.
If you're writing a sitcom, each of those characters plays one of the archetype people, and they just got people that had chemistry.
joe rogan
I fucked up.
I never watched Seinfeld when I was on the air, and I never watched Friends.
tom segura
Seinfeld's really funny.
joe rogan
I watched a couple of Frasers, and I would always watch it for like 10 minutes and go, what the fuck am I doing?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Seinfeld is really the only, I think, one that's, if you're a comic.
joe rogan
Did you ever watch Mad About You and go, is there something with the, am I just thinking wrong?
tom segura
Well, I would see people watch it, like family members, and laughing, and that's when I would think something's wrong with me, and then after all, I was like, you're retarded.
You see what she said to him?
What do you think that is?
joe rogan
You're not retarded.
tom segura
That's what I think.
The people that are so laughing.
Do you think it's an intelligence thing?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yes.
It is.
They're tapping into dull sperm.
They're figuring out the people that...
So you're saying your fucking sperm's better, bro?
Because you like different shows?
Come on, bro.
You know what I saw that's fucking excellent?
All bullshit aside.
I don't care what you like.
But, uh...
Black Mirror or Dark Mirror?
Black Mirror?
I watched the one where the guy...
I finally watched it.
And I went right to the one where the guy records memories.
jamie vernon
Everyone can record a memory.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
That's exactly what we've been talking about.
jamie vernon
I've been trying to tell you.
joe rogan
For so long.
tom segura
That show's phenomenal.
Have you seen the...
joe rogan
Are you trying to one-up me, you motherfucker?
tom segura
The masturbation one?
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
No, I'm saying on that show.
On Black Mirror.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
There's an episode on masturbation?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
I've only seen two episodes.
I saw the first one where the guy fucks the pig, and this is the second one that I saw.
tom segura
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
I went to watch this one specifically because it's about a subject that we're constantly talking about.
tom segura
Which is?
joe rogan
Which is recording memories.
They're going to be able to record memories.
It's 100% it's going to happen.
It's just a matter of whether or not we can survive the next hundred years or whatever it is before we get hit by an asteroid.
But one of these days, just think about how crazy it is that 200 years ago, if you wanted a painting of something, if you wanted a picture of something rather, you would have to paint it.
You'd have to draw it or paint it.
That was so recent.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just 200 years ago.
tom segura
It's not long, yeah.
joe rogan
No photographs, ever.
So no one had ever seen anything that they didn't see.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
You either saw it or you didn't see it.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
So what we have done is let you see things that you're never going to be anywhere near.
Like in some weird way, we've already connected people's memories.
Like my memories of...
You know, anything, whatever I did this last weekend, I can show it to you on my phone.
Hey, we went fishing in Hawaii.
Look at some of my memories.
I'm showing you my fucking memories.
They're just shitty.
They're like Morse code.
You know, they're like, uh, you know, a fucking teletype machine.
They're facts.
They're not the internet.
tom segura
And I think it's crazy that, like, your children will be able to grow up and think about...
joe rogan
How about yours?
tom segura
As well.
joe rogan
Why do you say my children?
Leave my fucking kids out of this, dude.
unidentified
Jesus.
tom segura
So, my kids will go to...
joe rogan
Let's just talk only about your...
You show me a cesarean section, you piece of shit?
jamie vernon
This doctor used the Snapchat spectacles, which is the early version of what you're talking about.
joe rogan
To do a surgery?
jamie vernon
Yeah, they showed it like...
joe rogan
Oh, what kind of surgery is this?
jamie vernon
I'm not exactly sure.
joe rogan
Oh my god, dude.
How about a little warning?
jamie vernon
How about a heads up?
tom segura
I gotta pee, man.
joe rogan
Go pee, bro.
I'll watch this guy get cut open.
jamie vernon
But that's a super interesting...
joe rogan
Yes.
It's through his eyes, right?
jamie vernon
Super concept, yeah.
joe rogan
So the Snapchat glasses are essentially like cameras that are connected to the internet?
jamie vernon
Yeah, to your Snapchat account, I would assume, but, uh, yeah.
joe rogan
That's nuts.
jamie vernon
Hands-off cameras, so you don't have to...
joe rogan
People love them.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jamie vernon
People are having sex on it, and, like...
joe rogan
How dare they?
jamie vernon
I don't know if they're sharing the porn videos online, but...
joe rogan
But they can watch each other fuck through that?
Yeah.
So it's essentially the same thing.
They've already got it.
unidentified
Goddamn.
joe rogan
I knew it.
Not like it's anything brilliant that I discovered.
jamie vernon
But on that Black Mirror episode, the different concepts that come up with that are super interesting.
joe rogan
They did an outstanding job.
And it was also weird how their eyes would glaze over when they would look at their own stuff.
They could look at their stuff through their eyes.
I'm giving it away too much, right?
jamie vernon
It's been out for quite a while.
joe rogan
So what?
I didn't see it.
Don't spoiler alert.
People are mad at me for spoiler alert and The Walking Dead.
What are you going to do, folks?
I said spoiler alert.
Just hit that button quick.
If you're nowhere near it and you hear spoiler alert and you're not near your phone, you're like, fuck!
By the time you get there.
We should give them like spoiler alert and then 10 seconds.
Next time we're going to say something about something, we'll say spoiler alert and then we'll count down.
That would be annoying though, right?
jamie vernon
For sure.
joe rogan
You know what?
I should have a countdown on my desk, like a little thing that I could press at any moment.
It just gives me a flat ten seconds.
Can that be done?
And then I'll just keep talking.
And I'll go, spoiler alert, and then I'm going to hit the button.
What I'm about to tell you, definitely get out of the fucking room.
If you want to know, I'll let you know.
You've got seven seconds, five, four...
jamie vernon
Then how long are you going to talk about it for?
10 minutes?
As long as I want.
Tough shit.
joe rogan
You've been warned.
But what I thought was really interesting in the Black Mirror thing is that when they had that one late...
I can't talk about that.
I'll spoiler alert it.
But I just thought the way they handled it was really, really well done.
Because it seemed like normal people of today that were faced with this technology.
As opposed to, like Westworld is weird to me.
I love Westworld.
I'm a huge fan of it, but it's weird to me that it's 30 years in the future But everything is pretty standard like the way they're doing everything with a tablet and the everything the way they're walking around their apartments It all looks kind of the same whereas if you go to 1970 and you look at 1970 as opposed to the year 2000 There's a giant difference in that 30 years.
I would think that Whatever the fuck, I mean, if they're that close, they made these goddamn robots, and then 30 years later, they're still fairly similar?
Like, get the fuck out of here.
Like, 30 years later, you guys are still using iPads?
Like, really?
Is that what's going on?
Like, you haven't transcended into new dimensions?
We're not walking through artificial black holes that you make with your blender now?
I mean, 30 years from now, someone could...
Create some mind-numbing, world-changing shit.
It's not just going to be a robot you can fuck or shoot.
You know, it's going to probably be...
That's the only, like, suspension of disbelief thing that fucks with me, is that they've been doing that park for 30 years.
jamie vernon
Yeah, after watching it and having theories on it, that could be like maybe.
That's all they've shown us so far.
unidentified
I have theories.
jamie vernon
It might not be the actual what's going on.
joe rogan
You don't want to hear my theory?
jamie vernon
What's up?
joe rogan
How come when, for spoiler alert, if you cut them open, you see the robot parts?
jamie vernon
One of them.
joe rogan
But when you're building them, no, no, when ones were murdered, when he murked all those people and chopped them all up, remember that?
There was scenes where you see robot parts sticking out of people.
They were all laying down.
The whole scene was...
jamie vernon
I remember seeing the inside of the worst.
The chick.
joe rogan
I forget who...
Anyway, there was that.
Yeah, there was that.
But when you watch them construct the things, you don't see any of that stuff.
jamie vernon
You see synthetic bone or something like that.
joe rogan
Exactly.
So what the fuck is going on, Jamie?
jamie vernon
That's what I'm saying.
Did you see that last scene where they show the girl's arm ripped off?
joe rogan
I know.
Did you hear that Red Band told me this?
They're not going to do season two until 2018?
jamie vernon
Well, I mean, they have announced that they're going to do it.
It's 2017 now, basically.
They have to film it.
joe rogan
By 2018, you think Burt will still be fat?
tom segura
100%.
Absolutely.
joe rogan
You're really committed to this.
tom segura
Of course, man.
joe rogan
He's a guy with feelings.
tom segura
I know, and I love him.
He's one of my best friends.
I would do anything for that guy.
joe rogan
If you could get inside his head and change him, would you get him to stop drinking?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
What about after January 3rd?
tom segura
Definitely not.
joe rogan
No?
tom segura
I want him to be happy.
joe rogan
The only way he'll be happy is if he keeps drinking.
tom segura
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Maybe.
With new technology.
They'll figure out a way to fix your liver.
tom segura
Maybe.
joe rogan
They'll have like a stem cell liver cleanse and they'll just pump that shit in there.
tom segura
Way, way into the Burt is Thin future.
Maybe they'll do something like that.
joe rogan
And maybe Burt will have to drink more because his liver will be so good that the booze won't last.
It gets sober up in like 20 minutes.
tom segura
You gotta start fucking partying harder.
He's a fun guy to party with.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he is.
Have you ever seen him do standout with a shirt on?
tom segura
Yes, back in the day.
joe rogan
How many times?
tom segura
I saw him for a while doing it.
He used to do it, he only started doing that I feel like about two years ago, maybe three.
I feel like it's fairly recent in the time that I've known him and seen him do stand-up.
joe rogan
And since then, have you ever seen him do stand-up with a shirt on?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
I haven't either.
tom segura
Yeah.
But it works.
It's almost like part of the persona, you know?
joe rogan
Well, it's like I forget when he did and used to...
Dude, is he bigger than you or is it just me?
tom segura
No, man.
No, we're about the same.
About the same size.
joe rogan
How does his pants stay right above his dick like that?
unidentified
That seems impossible.
joe rogan
It seems like...
tom segura
There's a belt.
There's a belt right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's a different photo.
Oh, look at Moshe.
That's Moshe Kasher showing his goods.
tom segura
He's got tighty-whities.
joe rogan
Moshe's a funny guy, too, man.
He's got a new show coming out on Comedy Central.
tom segura
Yeah, that's a really cool idea.
joe rogan
I'm sure it will be.
He's a very smart dude.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very, very smart.
Is that Brian Cowan showing his abs with Bert Kreischer?
Right below that?
tom segura
Is that Eddie Ift?
joe rogan
Oh, it's Eddie Ift.
See, I'm so sorry, Brian.
But when that's a little tiny image, it does look like Brian Cowan.
Tell me it doesn't.
tom segura
Damn, look at Eddie.
joe rogan
He's shredded.
tom segura
So is Bert.
Looks good there.
joe rogan
No.
That's not true at all.
Eddie is in CrossFit shit.
tom segura
Oh, is he?
joe rogan
Loves CrossFit.
tom segura
Bert's just got that bloated, distended thing, though.
joe rogan
Well, that's booze.
tom segura
That's what I'm saying.
That's it.
joe rogan
There's no way he can get out of that?
tom segura
I think he could.
joe rogan
What's he down to now?
What's he claiming?
tom segura
I don't know, because he hasn't claimed in a minute.
joe rogan
I don't know.
Well, here's a photo that he keeps bringing up of him back when he was real thin.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
When he was real young, like in college.
tom segura
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
He keeps bringing that one up, but getting back to that, bro.
tom segura
And he did his promo for last week, where he used a 10 to 15 year old picture, but he just put it like with the date and the, you know?
And he was so much thinner in it.
It was ridiculous.
But he was just like, I'll be here this week.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
tom segura
Really funny.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's not fun when you watch your body get big and fat and you can't turn it around.
tom segura
Yeah.
I mean, you can.
Not everybody.
I'm saying that we're in a position to do it.
That's why I think this is a good thing.
joe rogan
Well, everybody can.
Wow.
That's ridiculous.
tom segura
Yeah.
That's like 2,000.
joe rogan
It's weird that he decided to use that picture.
Maybe he's trying to fuck with you.
tom segura
He was.
Oh, absolutely.
joe rogan
Do you know what he did?
tom segura
Oh, I didn't tell you what he did.
This is so fucking funny.
So, this is it.
This is what I was going to tell you.
joe rogan
Congrats on the new house, The Rock.
Did he really get a package from The Rock?
tom segura
Burnt Chrysler sent me a box of cookies, and that was the card.
Because he's tagged The Rock on a few things, and The Rock has retweeted it and mentioned him, and he told me about it, so then he sent me a box of cookies to the house, and it said, congrats on the new house, The Rock.
So, that was Bert trying to fuck with me.
Having me eat cookies, and then it's coming from The Rock.
joe rogan
Got it.
tom segura
So, I gave them away immediately.
joe rogan
Good for you, dude.
tom segura
Of course, man.
joe rogan
Good for you.
tom segura
Yeah, we're in a battle, dude.
joe rogan
Yeah, I eat sugar-free pudding.
Don't.
tom segura
No?
joe rogan
No.
Every time I eat them, I'm just gonna fucking trick my body with this sugar-free pudding.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's got high protein.
It's high protein, sugar-free pudding.
There's something that it does to your ass.
tom segura
Oh, really?
joe rogan
There's something that happens.
tom segura
It's kind of stinky?
joe rogan
When it mixes up with real food.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a gang fight between fucking sugar-free...
Maybe I'm eating the wrong kind.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Maybe there's a good one out there.
tom segura
My dumps are less horrific in the last 30 days for sure.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, the more salad you eat, the more it's going to be real smooth.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a big one with people.
People that just eat meat, man, you're doing your body a disservice.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You got to eat a lot of vegetables.
So important.
People don't want to do it because, goddammit, if you got a cheeseburger with blue cheese on it, you see the blood just kind of like dripping onto the bun, put some jalapenos on that bitch, maybe some mayonnaise, some thick fucking dark red tomatoes, and some juicy iceberg lettuce, and you want to get busy with that cheeseburger.
tom segura
For sure.
That's my favorite, I think.
joe rogan
I think you should eat a half of one.
Take it from me, the guy who eats three meals.
Just eat a half a cheeseburger.
tom segura
Just put it away.
joe rogan
Eat a salad.
tom segura
Salad's good.
I like salad.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
tom segura
Yeah, I'm going in on it, man.
joe rogan
Do you ever do kale shakes?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Time to step it up.
tom segura
Step it up to kale shakes?
joe rogan
Time to step up your game.
Let's make a video.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
I'll bring the ingredients over to your house, and I'll bring you a Blendtec blender as a housewarming gift.
tom segura
Shit!
joe rogan
You need one of these.
This is what we're going to do.
I'm going to show you how to make them so they taste good, and then I'm going to show you how I do it.
tom segura
Yours tastes like shit?
joe rogan
Brutal.
tom segura
Okay.
joe rogan
They're brutal.
But, I swear to God, you'll drink this and you'll want to run up the side of a fucking mountain and punch a mountain lion right in the dick.
tom segura
You eat this every morning?
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
I don't think it's smart to eat a lot of the same things all the time.
I think it's good to mix it up a little bit.
But when I do do it, I feel it.
I mean, I always drink...
Like you saw when I came in here, I was eating a big salad.
I always eat salads.
I'm eating a lot of vegetables.
But the amount of nutrition that you get in a kale shake, like think about, this is what I take.
This is my recipe.
I take four big stalks of kale.
tom segura
Four?
joe rogan
Yeah, four.
Chop that shit up.
Chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop.
Then I take a cucumber.
Chop that bitch up.
unidentified
Chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, chop.
joe rogan
Then I take a giant chunk of ginger.
Giant.
Like almost like a pager.
Like a half a pager.
Like a half a pager is good.
Throw that bitch in there.
Four cloves of garlic.
Get in there, bitch.
tom segura
Four cloves.
joe rogan
Four cloves.
And I used to go with a full pair, but then I go with a half a pair now.
Now I go with a half a pair.
tom segura
You don't get diarrhea immediately?
unidentified
Oh, you should.
joe rogan
You should.
That's going to be part of the fun.
Then, on top of that, four stalks of celery, or two, excuse me, two stalks of celery, And then MCT oil.
MCT oil is important because in order for your body to accurately process, like to get the most, like more efficiently processed vitamins, you want them to be attached to fats in a lot of cases.
A lot of different vitamins.
Your body absorbs them better with fats.
And MCT oil is a healthy fat and it's good for brain function, a lot of other different things.
That's where it gets tricky.
You can't put too much in.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Because if you poop too much in, you're an asshole.
tom segura
Well, really, yeah.
joe rogan
It just protests.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It protests.
It goes on a riot.
You go on an asshole riot.
Like, I've had some asshole riots where you're walking, like, towards the bathroom, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, like, you have to take a shit.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you go, like, oh, well, I'll go in the bathroom.
And you're like, oh, my God, I'm not going to make it.
unidentified
Like, you see the bathroom, and you're like, whoa, whoa.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know what the number is, but to me, caution, err on the side of caution with the MCT oil.
Maybe just a couple of tablespoons full is plenty.
tom segura
If it's oil, you know, there's this weird restaurant I used to go to on the east side, Don Felix, Peruvian place, and they would make this dish called Lomo Saltado, which is so good.
It's a hardcore Lomo Saltado.
joe rogan
That sounds like you should be on Narcos, man.
tom segura
Man, it's a fucking traditional Peruvian dish with meat, potato, like chopped up fries basically, tomatoes, rice, but they would oil, like make it on a pan with lots of oil.
I used to be able to fart songs out there, like with total control.
You know, I could be like because of so much oil in my system.
joe rogan
It's probably really good for you.
tom segura
Yeah.
unidentified
Fuck.
tom segura
You gotta try this, man.
I'll take it to this place if you want to go.
joe rogan
Did you see that article that was released that showed that the sugar companies in the 1950s were bribing scientists to report that it was saturated fat that was causing people to get sick and have heart attacks?
tom segura
Don't talk about sugar.
joe rogan
It was the 50s, right?
jamie vernon
Sixties.
joe rogan
Sixties.
And we've been saying that ever since.
So 50 years ago, someone lied.
Look at that.
It's crazy.
Because all these years, people have automatically connected saturated fat Heart disease saturated fat and all these problems, but there's there's like a need that your body has for saturated fat like a lot of these scientists That did this they just fucking lied They were paid off by the sugar industry to make it seem like saturated fat was what's fucking people up However,
someone just sent me, Dr. Rhonda Patrick actually, just sent me something, an article that there's a new study that came out that shows that the real problem they think now with saturated fats is when saturated fats are mixed with processed foods.
That processed foods and saturated fats together as a combination, like processed sugars, And things along those lines mixed with saturated fats can be very bad for you.
tom segura
Right.
So it's just, you can go on the fat kick, but don't mix it with that sugar.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But we were talking about this before the podcast, or we were talking about the beginning of the podcast, the protein thing.
It was before the podcast.
tom segura
No, before the podcast, yeah.
joe rogan
It's all moderation.
It's all balance.
You can't have too much protein.
If you eat too much protein, your body starts to convert it to sugar.
tom segura
Dude, that's what I was doing with meat all the time.
Having way too big of portions.
And then you see what a recommended portion of it is.
And then you go, oh, that's not bad.
That's normal.
I was just eating too much of it.
Too much protein.
joe rogan
You want to be on, like, if you want to do, you're trying to do a fat-burning ketogenic diet.
I think they say it's 75%, 75% fats, and then the rest is like 20% protein, 5% carbs.
Is that what it is?
tom segura
That's about it, yes.
joe rogan
Somewhere around those numbers.
But we have one of those...
Grab one of those Myoplex bags, Jamie, that we got in the back.
There's this new company.
Not new company.
It's an old-ass company.
They've been around forever.
That make...
I have no affiliation with these people and this is not an ad.
tom segura
It's like a keto-friendly powder?
joe rogan
Yeah, they make like a pack.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's a keto meal that you could like shake it.
Like if you're on the go and you don't want to fuck up and eat something.
See those things right there?
tom segura
Yep.
I ordered these.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I got a cinnamon one.
joe rogan
They don't taste bad.
So it's like 75% fat, 20% protein, 5%.
tom segura
It's, by the way, it's a lot of powder.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
If you try to put this in eight ounces, it's a fucking ton.
joe rogan
Yeah, I put it in one of those Yeti tumblers, and I mix it up with carbonated water like an asshole.
tom segura
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
This is how stupid I am.
Did you find that in there?
Did you see that mug in there?
I got this new soda from this company called Zevia.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
Have you ever had that shit?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
This is like a big ad that's not an ad.
They make soda with stevia.
tom segura
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
So they have soda, they have energy drinks, and then they have this sparkling water.
How is it?
It's good.
I like stevia.
If you like the flavor of stevia, it's good.
Because it's kind of got a flavor to it, but it doesn't fuck with you.
I still love a Coca-Cola.
I mean, I know it's kind of syrupy and fucked up, but You're eating ribs, you know?
tom segura
There's nothing better.
joe rogan
Come on, son.
I agree.
One of them's a peach and one of them's a lime.
Those are the sparkling water ones.
So those are like very, very mild.
And they have other ones that are like a soda.
tom segura
I'm going to try one.
joe rogan
Get open.
Get done.
Get down with it, Tommy.
Pass me one of those bitches.
What do you got?
tom segura
I'm trying Mandarin Orange.
I'm giving you Lime.
joe rogan
And again, this is not an ad, folks.
I don't own Zevia.
But I think it's super important to just try.
Even if it's one time for a bet, like Tommy's doing it, just try to be fucking healthy.
Try.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Try, goddammit.
You'll feel better.
tom segura
That's the thing, is ultimately, even if you don't get to some crazy level, your fantasy level of it, you're still doing better than you were.
You still will feel better.
joe rogan
You want to get down with the Hulk loads?
tom segura
Yeah, man.
I want to try.
joe rogan
That's the kale shake.
It's called the Hulk loads.
unidentified
Yeah, Hulk loads.
tom segura
I remember.
I've heard that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You gotta try it.
You're gonna drink it, and you're gonna go, holy shit, because you have to kind of chew it as you're swallowing it.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like a sludgy sort of a thing.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You gotta kind of choke it down.
And then we'll work out.
We'll make a video.
tom segura
Okay.
joe rogan
We'll do it, and then we'll, like, 45 minutes later, we'll work out.
You're gonna be like, holy shit.
tom segura
Dude, I feel good.
Heavy bag.
I got the heavy bag.
joe rogan
Let's do that.
tom segura
I got hex squats.
joe rogan
Let's do that shit.
tom segura
Eryptical.
joe rogan
How about we'll do that and then I'll do your podcast.
tom segura
Let's do it.
joe rogan
Let's switch it up.
tom segura
Let's do it, man.
joe rogan
Are you guys up and running in the new spot?
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
tom segura
Oh, it's ready, man.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are you enjoying it?
tom segura
Love it.
joe rogan
Do you guys stream live?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Do you make videos and then you put it up later?
tom segura
We have...
We have cameras.
We've had two cameras set up, one camera set up, where I give it to an editor afterwards.
joe rogan
Okay.
tom segura
And he just layers up the high-quality audio with the video.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
tom segura
Oh, that's cool.
It goes up every Tuesday night.
joe rogan
Okay.
tom segura
So tonight one will go out.
joe rogan
So are you guys doing one a week now or are you doing two?
tom segura
It's one a week every single, yeah.
I mean, it's pretty, it sounds funny because we've talked about, like, fucking it feels like there's not time to do anything.
You know, like we feel like it's a lot to get that one done.
And there is a lot of production in that, like, you know, we play the clips and there's all that stuff that goes into it.
And then we'll talk about like, dude, one is demanding on us.
And then we're like, oh, Joe did three, three and a half hour ones this week.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I'm super sloppy and I don't plan out.
tom segura
Well, I'm just saying, you know, it ends up being, they're totally different in like, you know, in shows.
But yeah, we do the one consistently every single week.
joe rogan
Well, you have a show.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, your show is a real show.
This is like a recording of a conversation.
tom segura
I got it.
That's true.
That's true.
joe rogan
So you guys have like a...
You have like a bunch of shit going on that happens over and over again.
You have games you play.
tom segura
Absolutely, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a different animal.
tom segura
You're totally right.
But yeah, I love the new studio space is fucking gorgeous.
It's a film composer's house, so he used to score movies there.
And we have this much too nice studio for where we're doing our fart show.
joe rogan
Do you guys have the kind of internet where you could stream at a high level?
tom segura
Yeah, if we went hardwire, yeah, we could do that, sure.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a benefit to that.
Like, there's a benefit to that if anything is getting wacky.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, in the world, maybe.
unidentified
Oh, right.
joe rogan
You're doing immediate.
Maybe you want to stream something live.
Yeah.
Like, Duncan and I once, we streamed the president addressing the country.
tom segura
Do you still do Ustream?
joe rogan
Uh-uh.
No, we just do YouTube.
We're doing YouTube right now.
tom segura
Oh, it's YouTube Live.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It was just more versatile.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it didn't mess up as much.
We had problems.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I think Ustream's better now.
But they're always upgrading.
And it was great, though.
I mean, it still allowed us to do this in the first place.
But YouTube also...
It's just more used by people.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
So we watched the president talk about Syria.
Like, Duncan and I watched it live, and we were talking about it live while it was happening.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
Almost like a fight companion presidential address.
And it was just real weird, man.
tom segura
Those fight companions are massive, right?
Those go nuts.
joe rogan
Those are fun as hell.
Those are really fun to do.
But every time we do them, Eddie Bravo gets drunk and wants to talk about the Illuminati.
It's like half the fun of it.
tom segura
The conversation goes everywhere?
joe rogan
The conversation goes everywhere, but Eddie Bravo will always bring it around to conspiracy theories.
tom segura
He loves it.
Is he still on to the chemtrails?
joe rogan
Oh yeah.
Yeah, aerosol spraying.
Wow.
Which, you know, it's probably been done.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Somewhere.
At one point in time, for sure.
Listen, 100%.
Someone went in a plane and dumped some shit out of the plane.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
For sure.
For sure, the government's done it somewhere.
For sure.
For sure, there's probably some evil agency somewhere that has decided to fucking test out some shit on people.
tom segura
Yep.
joe rogan
And there's been stuff that's been proven, that's been done, like...
I want to say it was either Detroit or Chicago.
I forget what it was.
But they sprayed some particles that they could track.
They sprayed it into the air in the city to determine what kind of impact A bomb, like a dirty bomb, or biological warfare, something along those lines.
Either a nuclear fallout or biological warfare, like how far it would travel given a certain amount of wind.
So I think they actually used giant fans and shit and blew some stuff in the air and then tracked it.
tom segura
Let's see how many people get sick.
joe rogan
I don't think they did that, though.
They didn't...
No, no, no, no.
That's where the misconception is.
I think what they did was they used a trackable particle.
tom segura
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
Because they wanted to figure out how much...
The only way to find out, like, say, look, the wind is blowing 20 miles an hour.
Some shit gets blown up 200 miles or 200 feet, rather, above the buildings.
How far is it going to spread?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
If you're looking at that, the only way to tell is to try out something.
So they took some sort of...
I think it was like a reflective particle or a traceable particle...
So conspiracy theorists always point to that as being, like, proof that they have done that on innocent people.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
Which they definitely did.
I mean, I don't know what happened to those people.
But shit happens to people all the time.
unidentified
Of course.
joe rogan
If you're, like, too close to this or too close to that, and then they find out, oh, yeah, that kills you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Turns out you can't do that.
tom segura
Yeah.
Unreal.
joe rogan
Turns out you can't eat paint.
tom segura
A lot of people do dumb shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, did you see that video I put up with that kid doing a fucking front flip over this gigantic overpass?
tom segura
I saw some dude on top of a building doing retarded shit.
joe rogan
I've done those.
I mean, I put those up.
I put them up every time I can, but I reposted this one of this fucking kid.
He goes running up to the side of this edge and then flips over this impossible distance.
I mean, it's fucking impossible how far he runs.
Watch this.
tom segura
Oh, my God.
Come on.
joe rogan
Yep.
tom segura
That's not real, is it?
joe rogan
It's 100% real.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Look at him do it.
Dude, he did a front flip over, like, that's death.
Like, if you miss, that's death.
You hit that concrete, you break your legs, that's death.
tom segura
Fuck me, man.
joe rogan
These kids are crazy.
They're doing the nuttiest shit lately.
It's like white people are trying to evolve.
They're trying, white people are trying, they're trying to get, like, crazier and faster.
tom segura
We need an edge, bro.
We need our edge.
joe rogan
White people are doing ridiculous things.
tom segura
Asians got the numbers.
Blacks have their music.
joe rogan
Look at this guy.
He's riding a rail over the side of a fucking bridge and the wind is blowing and he's on a bike.
What in the fuck is going through your mind?
While you are risking certain death just slightly to the left of you and you're riding on, what is that, three inches?
How wide is that?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Three inches?
About the size of your dick?
About three inches?
tom segura
I'm more of two and change.
joe rogan
You're girthy?
tom segura
Yeah.
No, I'm definitely thinner.
I'm thin and curly.
joe rogan
Like a duck's dick?
tom segura
Yeah, man.
Goes around and around.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen a duck's dick?
tom segura
I haven't.
I think I've seen a pig's dick.
Maybe I've seen a duck's dick.
joe rogan
My friend Andreas Antonopoulos is a Bitcoin expert.
Explained to me about duck dicks.
He gave me slightly wrong information.
He said they were like four feet long.
Turns out they are about 13 inches long now.
tom segura
That's a big old dick.
joe rogan
Big old hog.
Yeah, they have these crazy dicks, and their dicks are like, when they're extended out, they're like almost as long as their body.
It's really weird.
And these ducks, their dicks are twisty, and the female duck's vagina is like a fucking twisty mountain road, and he's got to find a way in, and the female can let him in.
That's what their dick looks like.
That's one obviously with no duck.
That's a homeless dick.
Look at that thing.
Isn't that insane?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
The pictures of these ducks, that's a little bit...
A little bit exaggerated because it's an illustration.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a real duck.
tom segura
It's like a corkscrew.
joe rogan
And that one's, obviously he's dead, so it's probably not hard.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
But it's this crazy weird thing where the male penis has to go through this weird kind of twisty-turny corridor in the female duck, and the female duck can decide to let him in or not.
She can just shut him down.
And they're super rapey.
Really aggressive.
Yeah, look at that one white one on top of the other one, that one bird.
Look at that.
That's what they do.
They just jack each other.
tom segura
Yeah, he looks like he's talking shit, too.
He's right over here.
joe rogan
And we can look at them and we can say, aw, that's rude.
That's horrible.
Why don't we stop and pause and realize this is the same fucking kind of animal that we just saw swoop down and jack that other fucking bird right out of a tree.
tom segura
What distance do you think he saw that bird from when he decided?
unidentified
The owl?
joe rogan
Probably a long way.
They could probably see like a mile.
tom segura
That far?
joe rogan
Yeah, they probably could see ridiculous distances.
There's a lot of animals that could see ridiculous distances.
A turkey apparently has insane vision.
They say a turkey...
You ever look through binoculars?
Like, you ever been glassing?
tom segura
I've glassed before, yeah.
joe rogan
On boats, mostly.
Let me give you some glass and knowledge, Tommy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Your average binoculars that a hunter or sportsman or a bird watcher will take in the woods, there's a bunch of varieties.
For hunting, usually people either go with 10x42 or 8x42.
It's like eight times the size, and 42 is the aspect ratio, the width of the image that you're looking at.
tom segura
Okay.
joe rogan
A good pair of binoculars is like a 10x42.
A turkey naturally sees 20x.
So a turkey naturally sees 20 times better than you.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yep.
And they see you in full color.
So they can see you.
They see you.
They see you better than you see you.
So you literally have to be completely covered up if you want to hunt turkeys.
You have to cover your face up.
You have to cover your hair up.
They look right at you.
They know that's a person.
Let me get the fuck out of here.
They see you from way off.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
Because the life of a turkey is so brutal, most turkeys don't get to be too.
Most of them.
Yeah, most of them that survive at all, like when they're little, coyotes jack them.
tom segura
I had no idea they had that kind of vision.
joe rogan
Insane vision.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, insane.
tom segura
My vision's been deteriorating.
joe rogan
Mine too.
tom segura
I started wearing reading glasses.
joe rogan
Me too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's brutal.
tom segura
My dad glasses, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I just accepted it.
tom segura
Yeah, me too.
I'm not fighting it.
joe rogan
It is what it is.
Apparently there's some exercises that you can do to get better at it, but I'm so lazy.
tom segura
People try to convince you to do LASIK? No.
joe rogan
Because LASIK doesn't work on someone who has macular degeneration, like when you get older.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Like what you're having when you get older, when you're losing your close vision.
Mm-hmm.
I forget, somebody told me the actual term of it, like my friend Steve, who's an ophthalmologist, he actually told me the term of it.
Ocular degeneration, maybe?
jamie vernon
Looking up treatments for macular degeneration.
Laser therapy is one.
You can have injections into your eye.
joe rogan
Google, instead of that, Google nearsightedness due to old age.
tom segura
Do you know what the latest technology is, by the way?
joe rogan
Fake eyes.
They're going to give you eyes or you can stare straight in the sun.
tom segura
My ophthalmologist told me he was part of the team that developed it.
They sew lenses, corrective lenses, into your eyes now.
joe rogan
Are you down with that?
tom segura
No.
He was like, you don't need it.
He told me, I don't know.
He goes, you don't need it.
He goes, but if you had worse vision, it's definitely something we would do.
joe rogan
Here's the thing.
Like, when you're looking at something, like, I see you perfectly.
I mean, if I put glasses on, I'll probably see you a little better.
Like, let me say...
Eh, slightly.
You've got like a light dullness to you.
tom segura
Personality-wise?
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Your personality's amazing.
A lot of people have been shitting on you lately.
I don't know why.
tom segura
Hey, man.
joe rogan
That's one of the backhanded fuck-with-your-head compliments.
Dude, a lot of people say you suck.
I don't agree at all.
I think you're amazing.
tom segura
I've always had a thing for you.
joe rogan
What the fuck, dude?
But up close, big difference.
At a distance, I can see crystal clear.
Like that sign that says on air, I see that.
It's very sharp.
But when I look at things like on my phone...
tom segura
Same way, man.
Reading computers, phones.
joe rogan
I used to be able to read it perfectly.
tom segura
It snuck up on me, man.
It snuck up on me.
joe rogan
Some people say it's from staring at screens.
Some people say it's just a function of being older.
Some people say that there's a combination of factors, but also one thing that doesn't help is that we're constantly staring at something that's a fixed distance.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And the way some people put it is that it's like, who was the woman?
Katie Bowman.
Katie Bowman, when she was on the podcast, she's an expert in human movement, and she believes she's got a lot of pretty nutty ideas.
Like, they don't use furniture.
They sleep on the floor.
Yeah.
And she thinks that, like, looking at something that's, like, really close distance is like having a cast for your eyes, almost.
Like, you can put your arm in a cast, it atrophies.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Because you're not using it the right way.
tom segura
We've been like this for years.
joe rogan
Yeah, we've been looking at screens.
tom segura
That's not a bad theory at least.
joe rogan
Dude, I got super baked once and Aubrey and I did a podcast and I went off on this tangent that's been fucking with me ever since.
We were talking about screens that if you looked at human beings and if you didn't know anything about us, you'd be like, oh, they worship the screens.
Because all we do, you get up in the morning, you check your phone, you check your email, you go to work, you stare at your screen in a cubicle, you come home, you watch a little TV, you go on the weekend, oh, we're going to go see a flick.
You're staring at fucking screens.
Like, if something that didn't understand...
For a long time, yeah.
Yeah, something that didn't understand what those images were, or didn't care, or was trying to judge you based entirely on your actual movement and interaction, they would be like, oh my god, they're slaves to the screen.
Like, they don't even understand.
tom segura
We have to get in these screens.
joe rogan
Well, we're slaves to watching these screens.
If you stop and think about how often you spend your time staring at a screen.
tom segura
It's significant.
It's significant.
joe rogan
It's giant.
It's hours and hours of almost everybody's life.
tom segura
When you put it that way, it's depressing, too.
It's really depressing.
joe rogan
It's weird.
It's weird because it's not staring at the screen.
We're watching Westworld.
I'm checking my Twitter.
I'm checking my email.
I'm taking a photo.
I'm going to put it on Instagram.
Let's make a video.
Hey, let's make a video of you eating the kale shake.
Let's put it on YouTube.
But what's ultimately going on is people are interacting with screens to get all this energy and you want a better screen all the time.
You want to constantly have this bitch faster and upgrade it, and it wants to do more things, and now it's virtual.
Now you can get the screen, and it's in your head.
You can see 360 degrees all around you.
unidentified
And then it's just more and more and more screens.
tom segura
All right, man.
You fucking scared me.
Are you happy now?
joe rogan
I sparked this joint back.
tom segura
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Freaking myself out, bro.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you worry about screens, Tommy?
Worry about them haunting you?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Do they call you at night?
Check your phone.
tom segura
No, I want to be in screen.
Somebody might have texted in the night.
I want to be in screen tonight.
I do look at screens.
I get yelled at for checking the phone too much.
Yeah, I do.
joe rogan
I was proud of myself today.
tom segura
Just for not checking?
joe rogan
I left my phone in the car when I took my yoga class.
tom segura
And then you...
joe rogan
Ran out to it afterwards.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Just check.
Make sure some new crazy shit didn't go on in the world.
tom segura
It's addictive.
joe rogan
So addictive.
tom segura
Yeah.
It's a real addiction, too.
I see it.
Christina always talks about it.
We're at restaurants, you know, and you see the family together.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tom segura
Constantly.
joe rogan
Probably looking at my family.
tom segura
Yeah, that kid is...
joe rogan
Probably looking at me.
tom segura
The kid is like...
You know, and there's no interaction at the table.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, when we're at, all bullshit aside, when they get tired, like when kids get tired, this is what you find, too.
No, it's good.
unidentified
You can kill that.
joe rogan
And especially if you want to have a conversation with them.
It's not a bad thing to occasionally let them look at an iPad or play a game, like if it's on a plane or something like that.
Sure.
Oftentimes, you can get the same kid, especially if they like books.
Just give them a book to read.
So instead of sitting there playing a game, which is kind of mindless, they're reading a book, which can kind of expand their imagination.
However, there's also some arguments against that it's mindless.
Because there's a lot of arguments about video games.
That although video games are kind of problematic for little kids because they do just become super addictive, they also can expand your mind.
And there's examples of people that have done tests that have shown that video games actually can make you smarter because they make you constantly exercising parts of your brain that solve problems.
tom segura
Dude, I don't doubt that at all.
joe rogan
Depends on the game, right?
tom segura
Depends on the game.
Depends on, yes, on the system.
But there's definitely games you can play where I feel like there's something going on in your brain when you're efficient.
You're at a higher level performing in that game where if you put somebody slower into the same game, they can't do it.
They're not moving at that.
I'm not saying that that means you're going to be great at everything, but there's something in your brain Functioning, moving well, to be able to put together how to play this game and play it really high level.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
tom segura
And there's people that, there's people you can, I mean, have you ever tried to show someone how to play a game and they just can't get it?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
You can't get it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
They don't know how to do it.
joe rogan
Or they don't have any desire, so they never try.
tom segura
Yeah, that's, I mean, but I've seen people try, which I think stands out more.
You know, they just are not good at it.
You know, you go, you need a lot more practice.
Whereas some people can just pick up.
And I think those people come from a world of playing growing up, right?
Like, imagine today's kid, who's born now, playing these level games that are out now.
How he's gonna be fluent in that whole technology cyber stuff in 15, 20 years.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta work him through it, right?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, my six-year-old is just now figuring out that she can't beat me in tic-tac-toe.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
She's like, this motherfucker.
I can't beat him.
I'm like, you're never going to win.
I go, it's going to be a draw every time.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
She's like, why?
I go, because it's a dumb game.
It's a dumb game that puzzles you when you're young.
But as you get older, you realize tic-tac-toe is fucking stupid.
Unless you can make two moves in a row, it's fucking dumb.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, because you do this, oh, I'm going to see you're going to go over here, so I'll do that.
tom segura
I'll do that, yeah.
joe rogan
And you do this, oh, well, I'm going to go over here, so you can't do that.
And then, oh, well, draw.
There's another draw.
tom segura
And you draw every time?
joe rogan
Every time.
tom segura
And she never loses again?
joe rogan
I don't let her screw up.
No, I don't let her screw up.
Oh, okay, okay.
I've beaten her before, but now I offer some sort of a path.
I'm like, think about what's going on here.
Oh, she goes, oh, yeah, okay.
tom segura
Yeah, that's cool.
joe rogan
I give her a little pause.
I don't go, oh, you fucked up!
tom segura
Right, right.
You suck.
You don't do that.
joe rogan
I try to teach her along the way.
Because she's only six.
If she's 16, then I'm still kicking her ass at Tic Tac Tell.
Listen, dummy.
Yeah.
tom segura
What a waste tuition was on your ass.
joe rogan
The only way someone beats you at tic-tac-toe is if you're not paying attention, right?
unidentified
True.
tom segura
Yeah, you have to miss something if you're keyed into it.
joe rogan
Unless there's some crazy move that I don't know about.
tom segura
I haven't played in a while, so it's hard to say, actually.
joe rogan
Is there a World Tic-Tac-Toe Championship?
tom segura
I'm sure there is.
joe rogan
If you had to guess.
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
How smart is a person that won it?
tom segura
Fucking genius.
Stephen Hawking level shit.
joe rogan
Who is he playing?
tom segura
Neil deGrasse Tyson?
joe rogan
Imagine Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins in a tic-tac-toe competition.
tom segura
Do you say that at the end of tic-tac-toe?
Forget.
Is that supposed to be the call of the winner?
joe rogan
Yeah, you're supposed to say tic-tac-toe, I guess, but nobody ever does.
It's like trick-or-treat.
The little fuckers just show up with open bags.
tom segura
Put it in, man.
joe rogan
Stare at you.
tom segura
You got Snickers?
I got it.
joe rogan
It's weird when you see that one kid that's just a little too old for trick-or-treat and starts to get creepy.
It's like trick-or-treating is fun up until about 16. How do you handle it in your neighborhood?
unidentified
Pshh.
joe rogan
Give them candy.
tom segura
No, but do you have everyone come to the front door?
It's a whole thing?
joe rogan
Yeah, they ring doorbells, and we go walking around the neighborhood, too.
It's fun.
tom segura
Kids fucking love it.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, Halloween.
tom segura
Well, no, some places, they do it like the kids will go out the day before, depending on the day of the week.
Ugh.
joe rogan
You can't do that.
tom segura
No?
joe rogan
You gotta do Halloween when it's Halloween, you motherfuckers.
tom segura
I haven't been out in a while.
joe rogan
What, are you trying to take over America?
tom segura
I know.
joe rogan
There's a coup going on.
Haven't you been paying attention?
The Russians have canceled Halloween.
Motherfuckers.
tom segura
I just thought about how dumb my...
I go, so would you have a day that you do it?
And you go, yeah, it's Halloween.
joe rogan
It's fucking Halloween.
It's pot, man.
It's goddamn pot.
It's terrible for you.
tom segura
Terrible, man.
joe rogan
It just makes you dumb.
It makes you ask questions you should have thought through.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Like, what day is Halloween?
joe rogan
I said, The same day every year?
That's a weird thing about Thanksgiving.
Thanksgiving's not the same day every year, right?
Because it's on Thursday always.
tom segura
Right.
So the number, right?
The date.
It's always that third Thursday, is it?
joe rogan
What kind of stupid shit is that?
tom segura
I don't know.
joe rogan
Why is it fucking Thursday?
Why are you pretending that those goddamn pilgrims ever sat down with those Native Americans like that?
That shit didn't happen.
They didn't even speak the same language.
Those original people that landed...
Have you ever read some of the accounts of Christopher Columbus's atrocities that he committed?
tom segura
I know that there's a lot of people that are appalled by...
joe rogan
Columbus Day?
tom segura
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
How is it still a day?
tom segura
I think it's outrageous.
Do you ever think about what you learned in school about Thanksgiving?
How nice they made it?
joe rogan
How do we not have a Native American day, but we have a Columbus day?
tom segura
That's really outrageous.
Yeah, I know.
And Thanksgiving, they used to be like, and then this guy was like, are you eating alone?
Sit over here.
And then that's how they became best friends.
Like, that's how they taught us in school.
joe rogan
And they ate turkey.
tom segura
Yeah.
And then they were like, even though you're different, let's all hang out.
joe rogan
Let me tell you something.
They weren't shooting many turkeys.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Unless the turkeys didn't know any better.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
As soon as the turkeys figured out what the fuck they were doing, they were like, oh yeah, you can't shoot us like that.
We're just gonna fucking fly away.
tom segura
The turkeys were looking over that meadow like...
joe rogan
Yeah.
They had those shitty guns, those musket guns, those flints and shit.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Those things were inaccurate.
tom segura
Push it down.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, not in the distance.
I mean, I don't know how far they could shoot those things, but...
They were shooting deer, most likely.
They were eating deers.
tom segura
Yeah.
Thanksgiving should be more like the fucking purge, right?
It should be just a bloodbath holiday.
You get to kill everybody.
It's Thanksgiving, just like our ancestors did.
joe rogan
Well, it's not our ancestors.
I don't know.
Mine came over in a boat pretty recently.
Like, I could track mine.
Yeah.
So if anybody says, like, hey, man, you know, your ancestors...
Nope.
They didn't do anything.
Didn't own any slaves.
Came over from Italy in the 1900s.
tom segura
I tracked mine back to 1700s.
joe rogan
That's when they came over here?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, you're a killer.
Your whole family's responsible for atrocities.
tom segura
This guy, actually, we got a report on him at a family reunion.
Oh shit.
joe rogan
The guy who came over?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was he like?
tom segura
They say he was a real piece of shit.
It kind of ruined the family reunion.
Yeah.
It was not real cool.
joe rogan
What did he do?
tom segura
Murdered somebody.
It was a Spanish guy.
It came from Andalusia.
And he, yeah, he really, they said, you know, they read his will.
And they're like, and then he left 30 slaves to this person.
They're like, oh, you want to get another drink?
This is getting uncomfortable.
And then they said he killed somebody in Louisiana.
And they're like, and he hung someone from this tree.
And it was like a real savage dude.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's in your blood, and you're the nicest guy ever.
tom segura
I know, man.
joe rogan
How'd that happen?
tom segura
I don't know.
But, you know, that's my granddad.
joe rogan
Great-granddad or granddad?
tom segura
Oh, no, this is like great-great-great-great.
joe rogan
I'm like, damn, how old do your people live?
tom segura
No, no, ten greats, man.
It's super removed from me.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
Your people live forever.
tom segura
No, this guy would come over in the early 1700s.
joe rogan
It's so weird to think that a human being gets, if they're super, super lucky, they get like 90 years of life.
And while that life is going on, you're just trying to figure out what's happening.
What are you doing?
Why are we gathering together in these cities?
Why are we going to work?
Why are we going home and going to sleep?
Why are we doing this?
What are we doing?
Why are we staring at screens?
Why am I bringing slaves?
tom segura
Did you ever think about, as you get older, staying as a funny comic?
You know what I mean?
Did that ever occur to you?
What does that mean?
joe rogan
Maybe you should try to be funny.
Maybe you should plan on being funny.
tom segura
Have you ever thought about being a funny comedian?
Have you ever thought about being funny?
I'm saying that, in general, we have this sort of outlook that Being funny, comedy, in general, I'm saying, is a younger person's kind of thing, right?
Right.
joe rogan
Up until a certain age.
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
What is that age?
I don't know.
Well, it's like there's really funny guys that are 60, like Ron White.
tom segura
100%, man.
I totally agree.
I'm saying, like, did you ever think as you're going through your 40s, like, am I still in that circle?
I mean, it sounds like lame to say it, but like, cool, funny, as opposed to like, oh, that guy's older.
You know, like, do you ever process that as you age?
Or no, it's never like a methodical thought, you know?
joe rogan
Well, I try not to think like that because that doesn't seem to have any upside.
That seems like a very limiting thought.
And there's nothing you can do about it if you are an older person.
So you just focus on it.
To cut that off at the path, I just try to do my best.
So I feel like if you're living your life and you're in the moment, you're trying to do your best.
And obviously you're going to fall out of that back and forth and left and right.
You're going to have good days and bad days.
When you have a mindset or if you're trying to...
Trying to do your best at something or trying to enjoy your life in a balanced, happy way.
It's not always a super smooth path.
There's a lot of mistakes and hiccups along the way.
And the whole thing is about having an idea of what you're trying to do, have an idea of how you're trying to live and how you want to feel and how you want to affect people, and then figuring out your way through that path.
And then as you keep doing it, you keep getting better at it.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
And I think that if that's the case, if you're living your life like that, if you're trying to make this path through your existence, it'll at least leave you in a place where you're constantly trying to have fun and you're constantly trying to improve, and I think you'll get better feelings out of it.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But at the end of the day, it's still the same thing.
It's still this strange, temporary existence where you're awake and conscious for a certain amount of time Every day, but then you're unconscious for a certain amount of time every day, and you're ultimately going to shut off.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's all going to go down.
joe rogan
It doesn't matter what you're doing.
tom segura
I was looking at these photos of Red Buttons and Jerry Lewis at these events.
You could buy a ticket to.
joe rogan
Okay, so they become undeniably older comics.
tom segura
Right, and I saw the audience was all very old, and I wondered, like, is this a...
Is this a thing that happened at a moment?
joe rogan
Dude, George Carlin.
tom segura
Was 70 and still drawing in...
joe rogan
Young guys.
tom segura
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Young people, rather.
tom segura
Young women, too.
So that's a great counter to it.
So is it that those guys, that's what I'm saying, stopped being funny to a certain generation, or they stopped trying, or they just got, I don't know, so old, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It could be a bunch of those things.
It could be taking care of your health.
It could be touring and working a lot.
George Carlin was touring constantly.
tom segura
Constantly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He would put out a whole new hour every year.
tom segura
Unbelievable.
And he was still really funny at 70. Like, really funny.
joe rogan
And he also had taken on the role of the angry curmudgeon.
You know, this just angry...
Older comic who's also very wise and very liberal.
tom segura
I love the character.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
I mean, I love that point of view.
joe rogan
Angry, old liberal.
It's pretty funny.
Fascinating guy.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And stayed relevant, rather, to the very end of his life and died, I believe, in a hotel room after a show.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think he died in his sleep.
I think it was one of those things.
tom segura
Had a heart attack.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Did he?
tom segura
Yeah, I remember he went to, I want to say a Santa Monica hospital.
joe rogan
Well, he had issues with pills, too, man.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He was pretty forthcoming about that.
tom segura
He had some coke problems from earlier.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
All that shit contributes.
The pills are the most shocking, the way they deteriorate people.
tom segura
Yeah.
He was so funny at 70, man.
He was so funny at 70. I mean, to think that that dude was 70. Killing.
joe rogan
Still killing.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So are you thinking about this now because you're a father now and you're thinking you're getting older, you're getting into your 40s?
tom segura
Yeah, sure.
It's one of those things that...
What I actually think is that I'll think about that, I'll look at people older than me.
Then one of the things that I find inspiring is that I feel like people at the top of their game in stand-up right now are essentially all 10 to 15 years older than me.
So I find that to be a very...
Inspiring thought, you know?
Like, everybody is like late 40s, even early 50s, and you're like, oh, it's just one of those things you go like, oh, you can be better, you can still do greater things, be funny, like, develop more into your 40s.
Whereas I think as a young comic, when you're 20, all you hear about is like 10 years, 10 years, 10 years.
So you go, that must be the place to get to 10 years.
So when I'm 30, that'll be my development.
So you realize you can keep working.
joe rogan
Also, when you're thinking about the body of stand-up that's been before you, there's so many great comedians that have done so many great CDs and DVDs and all these different things.
One of the things that separates you from maybe a guy that lived 20 years ago is that you're also playing off the body of work of all these people that came before you.
tom segura
True.
joe rogan
Because they set this bar and you've been inspired by their comedy and you've been inspired by You know movies and all sorts of different pop culture things that just didn't exist 20 years ago So you have a greater points of reference true, you know, yeah And I think as you get older you have a better understanding of all the shit you're looking at So you might be able to point things out like as you're in your 40s that maybe you wouldn't have never even seen when you're in your 30s because you were tripping over your own dick and yeah being a dumbass and Sure.
Your understanding of the world then would embarrass you today.
tom segura
And sometimes it does.
joe rogan
For everybody.
tom segura
For sure.
joe rogan
For everybody.
There's no doubt about it.
Unless you're born the perfect person, you're a work in progress.
tom segura
If you have any self-reflection, you look back and you're like, I can't believe I fucking used to think that.
joe rogan
But that's just a matter of getting better at life.
But there's also nothing wrong with being Jerry Lewis or Red Buttons or any of these guys and just killing Tom when you get older and hanging out and just stopping the grind.
tom segura
I was thinking about that just in the shower the other day.
I'd seen a picture of that.
And I was like, I'm going to be 80 in my fucking red jacket, in my fucking, you know, corduroy, and I'm going to go, and my fans will be like the fans that saw me 50 years ago, and I'll just be in there.
joe rogan
Like Rodney.
tom segura
Yeah, man.
And I was actually happy with that thought, too.
joe rogan
That's a good thought.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't freak on that, man.
That is what it is.
It might not even be real.
You might wake up tomorrow exactly the same age, and you might be programmed with this intermittent memory.
But every time you wake up, you pretend that you have this past that you're trying to get better than.
But the reality is, this same day has always been your life.
tom segura
Why are you fucking with me, man?
joe rogan
Over and over and over again.
So everything that's happened other than this moment, this conversation, has been bullshit.
It's all just been fiber-optically implanted into that grain in the back of your ear.
tom segura
Does Jamie press a button and then this happens?
unidentified
Boo!
joe rogan
This is what's happening with Trump, when Trump became president, and then when Kanye West was afresh three or four days out of the loony bin, goes to visit Trump, and Trump, it's like, yeah, sure, it's not like I'm the president, and you're crazy, come on in.
But him and Donald Trump are apparently very good friends.
tom segura
Yeah, I saw that.
joe rogan
It's wonderful.
I love that, I love friendship.
tom segura
Trump said he doesn't read the daily presidential briefings, because he doesn't need them.
joe rogan
Probably shouldn't, he's a genius.
Why the fuck does he need the daily presidential briefings?
That's our president, folks.
Have you seen the Saturday Night Live sketch they did, how Donald Trump views the world?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
It's fucking hilarious.
tom segura
I've seen a couple of things.
joe rogan
I hope he can take it as a joke.
I hope he doesn't get too mad.
That's one problem with that dude, is that he doesn't take jokes very well.
He gets real upset.
tom segura
I think he's going to learn, man.
joe rogan
He's got to lighten up.
tom segura
It's going to be a long four years.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got to lighten up, bro.
Yeah.
And he was better.
Jeff Ross had him.
They roasted him.
tom segura
I remember.
joe rogan
And Jeff Ross had a conversation with him.
He's like, you know, when people are cracking jokes about you, like, we turn the camera to you, it looks like you're a bad sport.
Like, you're not laughing at all.
He's like, you're right.
So he started laughing.
tom segura
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So he's not, he listens.
tom segura
He gets it.
joe rogan
It's not that he's unreceptive.
But when he sees this Saturday Night Live one, it's going to be rough.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
He got mad at the last few.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's been mad at Saturday Night Live for a while, and so they keep chipping away at him.
But this is like the best Saturday Night Live has been in fucking years.
tom segura
Of course, man.
You have somebody to fucking go after.
It's fantastic.
joe rogan
And you got Alex Baldwin willing to do it.
tom segura
He's so good.
joe rogan
What are the odds?
Isn't he like an Oscar winner?
tom segura
I think so.
unidentified
How is he not?
tom segura
He's a tremendous actor.
joe rogan
How is he not?
Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross, if he didn't win an Oscar, fuck the Oscars.
tom segura
Yeah, no, he's a tremendous actor.
joe rogan
Some people say that was overdone.
I don't like that scene.
I just thought he was too over the top.
That's not how people would behave.
tom segura
It's a fucking stage play.
joe rogan
Some actors say that, though.
You ever see that some actors think you try too hard?
tom segura
Fine.
joe rogan
They don't like it?
tom segura
Go away.
joe rogan
Too actory.
tom segura
Too actory?
joe rogan
I've heard people say that.
tom segura
I've seen people overact.
joe rogan
They're just too big.
What they're doing is too big.
It's not our show.
tom segura
He should have been big right there.
joe rogan
This is not what we're looking for.
tom segura
Yeah.
I want something more grounded.
That's the word.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But Alec Baldwin is the fucking perfect Donald Trump.
tom segura
He's fantastic in it.
It's really fucking funny, man.
joe rogan
Also, Alec Baldwin really understands what it's like to be a cunt sometimes.
Although I don't think he's a cunt, he definitely has had moments in his life where he's been accused of being a cunt.
Remember when he attacked paparazzis?
He's a wacky dude.
Did he punch somebody or something?
tom segura
He got accused of calling a paparazzi a fag.
This was my favorite.
And then he goes, I called him a fathead because it's kind of inaudible.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
Because he's screaming down the street.
He's like, I said fathead.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's more fat shaming.
tom segura
Yeah, I was like, that's not what you said.
But I also...
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
He called his daughter, who was 11, a rude, thoughtless pig.
Yeah, that was the big one.
That was the big one.
That's hard.
You know what, man?
People fuck up.
tom segura
Yeah, but you can't...
What are you going to punish him forever for that, too?
joe rogan
That's terrible that he did that.
It really is.
tom segura
I know, but don't you think he feels...
joe rogan
Hopefully he feels it after people heard that.
Obviously, he's been forgiven by Hollywood.
tom segura
You feel like shit after that.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's awful.
tom segura
That was actually my first words to my mother when I was a baby.
joe rogan
It's awful?
tom segura
No, I said you were a rude, thoughtless pig.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's amazing you just formed that sentence like that.
tom segura
I know, I know.
joe rogan
What was it that you were stewing on until your lips formed correctly so you could make good noises?
tom segura
I think it just actually wasn't feeding me enough, you know?
So it just happened, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, imagine if babies could talk right out of the box.
tom segura
Man.
joe rogan
If they had a full vocabulary right out of the box.
tom segura
I got it right on the line right now.
joe rogan
They would be so stupid.
tom segura
Yeah, they don't know anything.
joe rogan
Like full babies?
They'd be like, monster!
I'm like, I'm not a monster, dummy.
I'm your dad.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
tom segura
They would do everything.
They would also be like, I'm going to eat this?
Everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
They'd be like, no.
Eat plastic?
No.
Eat hair?
Rocks?
joe rogan
Can I stick my finger inside that light socket?
No.
What if I turn it on?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
And no becomes like, this is going to be fucking awesome.
That's what they do.
joe rogan
You know what my six-year-old loves to tell me?
Can I tell you something?
Right before she's going to tell me something, she goes, can I tell you something?
It's always, can I tell you something?
You know?
Can I tell you something?
Debbie told this girl that she shouldn't do that because she wasn't allowed and it wasn't true.
tom segura
And what do you do?
You go, whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Those are the kind of conversations you have with six-year-olds.
Like, wow.
Why wasn't she allowed?
Because her mother doesn't want her to do it, but she doesn't want to listen to her mother.
Whoa.
That's crazy.
Heavy stuff.
Outrage in kindergarten.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Really funny.
That's their world, though.
They think that's life.
joe rogan
I know.
It is life.
You've got to respect that.
That's why it's weird.
They get upset.
They get upset if you don't want to listen to their wacky stories.
tom segura
Yeah.
It's a fucking boring story.
joe rogan
One thing I've been teaching my kids lately is don't repeat punchlines over and over and over again.
Because when they nail punchlines, sometimes they'll say something really funny.
And I said, listen, that's really funny.
You said it was really funny.
I'm so impressed that you said something that was that funny.
It's really funny.
But here's the thing.
If you say it again, it becomes less funny.
And if you say it again, it gets even less funny.
Every time you repeat it.
I know it's fun to say something funny.
You want to do it.
But I'm like, unless you're doing a new show the next night in a new town...
Yeah.
Or at the same time, it's a different crowd.
unidentified
Do they get that?
joe rogan
Kind of getting it, yeah.
Kind of getting it.
But it's, you know, it's touchy, right?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because you don't want to discourage anybody from saying something funny and silly.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
Like, they make each other laugh all the time.
They make me laugh.
We have these funny conversations.
It's funny having, like, joke conversations where they're, like, cracking me up and they're eight.
tom segura
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because in my house, goofing on stuff is valuable.
It's valuable.
I mean valuable in terms of social commodity.
It's hilarious.
When one of them will say something funny and we all laugh, you can see their little eyes light up and then they want to make you laugh more.
And it's also...
When you find out things that make people laugh, you find out things that are ridiculous that no one's talking about.
That's part of what's funny.
When kids point something out, it's like, yeah, duh.
This fucking six-year-old notices that stupid.
tom segura
They tap into something.
joe rogan
Like my daughter was looking at one of those Fat Freeze billboards.
You ever see that Fat Freeze billboard?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is when she was five.
She goes, I know that's fake because that girl's pulling in a stomach.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Oh, right.
Oh, that's cute.
That she's sucking in.
joe rogan
Yeah, she's sucking her stomach in and she's not even tricking a five-year-old.
tom segura
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
But when she's saying it to me, I'm fucking crying, laughing.
And you see her little eyes light up?
Because the way she said it, I didn't do a good justice with the delivery.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
But she was like cocky about it.
Like, I know that.
tom segura
And then she's geeked out that you're laughing, right?
joe rogan
She thinks it's so funny.
She's like, she's holding in her stomach.
Look at her, daddy.
She's holding in her stomach.
Like a five-year-old can see that nobody stands like this.
Yeah.
You know Kylie Jenner sued those people who made that because that girl in the sign looked like her.
tom segura
Oh really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they do that.
They've done that before.
tom segura
You can sue someone for looking like you?
joe rogan
Kim Kardashian turned down some campaign and so they hired a Kim Kardashian lookalike and she sued him.
tom segura
And won?
joe rogan
I think she won.
What?
Didn't she win, Jamie?
It's hilarious.
tom segura
Shit, is it fucking 5?
joe rogan
It's 5 o'clock, bitch.
tom segura
Dude, man.
joe rogan
Where you going?
tom segura
Gotta get home.
joe rogan
What time do you show tonight?
tom segura
My show's at 8. What time should I leave?
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, you should have already left.
You're fucked, dude.
tom segura
I gotta get going.
joe rogan
You gotta get to Pasadena in three hours.
tom segura
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
Cancel the show.
Who's opening for you?
tom segura
Doug Mellard.
Really funny guy.
joe rogan
Okay, cool.
tom segura
Really funny guy from Austin.
He lives here.
Real funny.
joe rogan
How long has he been here?
Did I meet him?
tom segura
You may have met him.
He's been here for a while.
He's been doing stand-up a while.
And I've brought him with me a few times.
He's a really funny dude.
joe rogan
There's like a feeling that you get when someone says he's a really funny guy from Austin.
You go, oh, he's probably cool.
tom segura
Yeah, he's pretty cool.
Yeah, he is pretty cool.
joe rogan
Probably wears vests.
tom segura
No, no, he doesn't have vests.
But he's a very funny guy.
joe rogan
Probably dresses like a Mumford& Sons.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Like one of the music videos?
tom segura
He looks like he'd be in the band.
joe rogan
There's a piano in the middle of a field for no fucking reason.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're all dancing around it.
tom segura
He's got just like funny, ironic tattoos and shit.
joe rogan
Oh, does he?
tom segura
Yeah, he's got a few.
joe rogan
Keep on truckin'.
You know, Ari has keep on truckin' tattoos on his body.
tom segura
Doesn't Kinane have some silly one like that too?
joe rogan
Does he?
tom segura
I think he does.
He has some silly ones.
Yeah, no tats yet.
joe rogan
No.
You thinking about getting something?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No?
tom segura
I mean, I would if I had a fucking desire to or interest, but I don't.
joe rogan
How about this?
tom segura
Let's go, champ.
joe rogan
Right across your belly.
tom segura
Dude.
joe rogan
Let's go, champ.
tom segura
How great was that?
joe rogan
How about that?
Right across your belly.
Like Compton.
Let's go champ!
Let's go champ.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How the fuck does no one have that?
Jamie, please look up.
See if anyone has let's go champ tattooed on their belly.
They must.
tom segura
That's badass, dude.
joe rogan
They should totally have that.
tom segura
That hat's dope.
joe rogan
That is a dope hat, right?
tom segura
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
Let's go champ.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it was given to me by Shannon Briggs.
Shannon Briggs.
unidentified
Let's go champ.
joe rogan
He's a great guy, man.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's a fun dude.
Like, real positive.
tom segura
I didn't see the episode.
I didn't listen to it, but I saw his Instagram preparing to come here, and that got me fired up.
Like, blending.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
He was, like, putting blue.
tom segura
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Organic blueberries, champ!
tom segura
Let go, champ!
joe rogan
You don't even have to watch them.
You don't even have to watch them.
tom segura
Man, I was fired up.
joe rogan
I'm going to Joe Rogan!
I'm going to Los Angeles!
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
That was awesome.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's awesome, man.
That was so fun.
For me to be sitting across from him.
unidentified
Let's go, champ!
joe rogan
That's my ringtone now.
tom segura
Is it?
joe rogan
That's right, bitch.
tom segura
Fucking amazing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We've got to figure out a way to set that up.
But Jamie isolated that for me.
unidentified
Let's go, champ!
joe rogan
That's what I was going to say when anybody calls.
tom segura
I would keep that for years.
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
tom segura
Yeah, that's fantastic.
joe rogan
For sure, man.
tom segura
That is fantastic.
joe rogan
I remember I watched the first video of his, and I knew Shannon.
I was a fan of his as a boxer for a long time.
But when I watched that video of him, I was like, wow, this is crazy.
Like, what is he doing?
Like, this is interesting.
tom segura
And those are cinder blocks underneath.
joe rogan
Oh, he's a big boy.
He's quite a large fella.
And when I hug him, I'm like, hi, buddy.
My head nestles next to his breasts.
tom segura
That would hurt.
joe rogan
Well, he's a big boxer.
He's big.
You know, he's probably walking around in the 250 range or 240 range.
tom segura
But that connects with the chin?
joe rogan
Powerful puncher, man.
tom segura
That's over.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a serious knockout puncher.
Shannon can crack.
He's also got, like, this wicked left hook to the body.
He's got a nasty jab, but he's got this left hook to the body that's, like, really rare to see in the heavyweight division.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Super, like, quick, technical, stabbing left hook.
Just blap!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just gets under your ribcage with it, and he just drops guys.
He's getting avoided.
A lot of people don't want to fight him.
tom segura
Don't want a piece of that, man.
joe rogan
Well, he's a big guy.
He's still real dangerous.
He's real motivated, and he talks so much shit.
He talks so much shit, they can't take it.
And the people that are going to these press conferences with him, and he's yelling at them, trying to get fights with them, and they're all at the press conference announcing another fight, and he's in the audience.
tom segura
He shows up at the other ones, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, man.
He showed up at Vladimir Klitschko's, like, he's eating lunch.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He started drinking his water, and, you know, he started eating his food.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
When you eat, we eat.
When you eat, we eat.
Let's go, champ.
tom segura
Talking a lot of shit, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that was when I started being aware of him.
I was like, my God, he's crazy.
Like, Shannon Briggs has gone crazy.
And then I realized, oh, he's just trying a new thing to get guys to fight him, make a name for himself.
And it's really smart, because he figured out a way to use social media, and he completely changed how people thought of him.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because people thought of him before they knew about his personality.
They just thought he was this killer boxer.
He even talked about it on the podcast.
He was like, that wasn't me.
Because I was just always being this heavyweight knockout artist and this tough guy.
He's like, I'm goofy.
He was like, I goof around a lot.
I'm always joking around.
So you see that in those videos.
And that's something that there was no other way for him to ever show that.
Can you imagine if HBO came to his house, like, we want to watch a workout.
Let's go champ!
unidentified
Let's go champ!
joe rogan
They were like, cut all that out.
Just cut all that out.
tom segura
But then they would learn that that's what's going to make it a sensation, a hit, you know?
joe rogan
Well, I think he had to do it like over and over and over and over and over again on YouTube and on Instagram for people to get addicted to it.
Because now, like, when I see it in my feed, and it's Shannon sitting in front of like a bowl of food or something with a big smile on his face, I always click on those videos.
I want to hear it.
Yeah.
It's him.
That's who he is.
I think that's one of the fucking coolest things about your show that you have with you and Christina, your mom's house.
That's you guys.
tom segura
Totally genuine.
joe rogan
That's 100% how you guys are all the time.
tom segura
That's true.
joe rogan
So that's not available anywhere else.
tom segura
It speaks to when something gets popular or gets a fan base, it's because people connect to the authenticity, I think, of people's real personalities.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
There's definitely that.
There's also less people.
Shannon doing that, there's almost no filters between him and people.
There's less people involved.
So you could get to see this guy, who he really is.
And there's so many people like that now.
Like Joey Diaz.
When Joey Diaz does his periscopes, it's beautiful.
Because it's straight to Joey.
Straight to Joey.
There's no one even around.
tom segura
He gets up in the morning.
joe rogan
He gets up in the morning, gives you a few minutes notice.
You know, we're going live.
unidentified
We're smoking numbers.
joe rogan
And then he gets on.
tom segura
What did you do today?
joe rogan
And he starts talking about it.
He makes these tweets, and they're ridiculous.
Like, you know, it's Monday.
unidentified
You're showing up with a big dick and a smile.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And like, okay, I have a big dick all of a sudden?
tom segura
But it's, yeah, people love that guy, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
He's awesome.
joe rogan
But that's Joey.
Like, you know you're getting Joey.
100% Joey.
Spelling's all fucked up.
He has too many periods in a row.
Doesn't matter.
It's just, you're getting straight Joey.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and that's...
That's one of the more unique things about this time.
And those goddamn glasses that we were playing when you went to pee, those Snapchat glasses, those things scared the shit out of me.
tom segura
Oh, you wear them and they Snapchat everything?
joe rogan
They're exactly kind of what we're talking about, about recording memories.
You're going to record things that people see.
This guy was doing an operation and he had those goggles on.
You're going to be able to stream your life.
These things are cameras.
Those things in the upper right-hand side are cameras.
And there's this video that we were watching of this guy doing an operation, cutting this person open while he's wearing these Snapchat glasses.
And it's so strange.
tom segura
Christ.
joe rogan
Because you're realizing, like, oh, this is like the Motorola Razr.
tom segura
This is like the Motorola Razr, and one day we're going to have the iPhone 7. I think it's crazy that we're talking about something that's $130.
I thought we were talking about some really, you know?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
And it streams for the Snapchat app.
And if you're looking at this now, come on, man.
This is like that phone that Kirk Douglas or Michael Douglas had on Wall Street, right?
It's basically what it is in comparison to what they're going to have just in a few years from now.
Texting people around.
tom segura
Well, I gotta get back.
joe rogan
Can you get the fuck out of here?
Wrap this up?
Unfortunately.
Wrapping it up with Tommy Buns, please do.
tom segura
I have a tour coming up.
It's my first theater tour ever.
joe rogan
Shit.
By the way, I just want to tell you, very inspiring watching you do that set the other night in the main room doing all new material that I haven't seen before, and it was really fucking funny stuff, man.
tom segura
Oh, thanks, man.
Thanks a lot.
joe rogan
That was really fun.
tom segura
Thank you.
I've been working since the last one came out, and I'm about at an hour now, and so the tour starts January, and I'm going coast to coast, Canada, doing a bunch of dates, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, we can tell.
You can tell.
You can tell you're putting in the time.
That's, you know, that's one of the cool things about being in L.A. is I get to see so many guys like you and Joey and Burr and Ari and Duncan and all these guys that are just really fucking funny in this one area, like, all the time.
tom segura
Yeah.
It's great to see other people do, people I love and that I look up to in stand-up do sets regularly here and crush.
You're like, oh shit.
It always keeps you on your toes, man.
joe rogan
Dude, the other night, Dave Chappelle brought up Chris Rock.
tom segura
The store.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of Dodge.
tom segura
He's going on a tour.
Not that he needs the fucking plug.
joe rogan
Or Chris Rock brought up Dave Chappelle.
One of those.
Either way, get the fuck out of here.
tom segura
But that's a first tour in nine years for Rock.
joe rogan
Well, divorce.
tom segura
Divorce.
joe rogan
Is a motherfucker.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Talks about it on stage.
It's scary.
tom segura
Did I tell you?
So I opened for Chappelle.
I did a ten minute set.
When I was in New York, I stopped by his show.
joe rogan
Where was he?
tom segura
He was at the Gramercy, just a 400 seat place.
joe rogan
Oh wow.
tom segura
It feels like doing it.
And it was before SNL, but before they announced it.
So I was doing Caroline's and I pop over there and they're like, oh yeah, do time.
And he's like, do some time, man.
I go to time.
I do like 10 minutes.
They don't want to see me.
They're like, fuck, it's Dave Chappelle.
So I get off.
He goes up.
He starts doing the set.
And then Chris Rock walks out.
And then they pull up chairs.
And they basically have a kind of...
It's like a podcast.
It's basically a live podcast.
But they riff and they go on shit.
And one point Chappelle goes...
He's like, you say the wildest shit, though.
To rock.
He's like, what you mean?
unidentified
He's like, man, you say the wildest shit, man.
tom segura
And Chappelle goes, you called me after your divorce and said, my wife has more money from comedy than you do.
And I was like, that's such a funny, like Chris Rock said that to Dave Chappelle.
My wife has more money from comedy than you do after divorcing.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom segura
Like how funny though, of a thought about your situation, you know?
joe rogan
That is a funny thought.
Yeah.
tom segura
And it's also a lot of money.
joe rogan
It must be insane.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because Chappelle's made a lot of fucking money.
tom segura
Yeah, and Rock's, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, Rock was probably one of the most successful guys ever when he was doing theaters.
Like those, I mean, not theaters, arenas.
tom segura
And he was doing world tours, too.
Don't forget that.
joe rogan
Yeah, he did a Hollywood Bowl.
tom segura
Yeah, insane.
joe rogan
And he does giant spots.
tom segura
A lot of money.
joe rogan
Oh, insane amounts of money.
unidentified
And it all went away to the girl.
tom segura
But this tour, it's called Get That Money Back.
unidentified
Ch-ch-ch.
joe rogan
Is that what it's called?
I wonder if he just paid off a giant chunk so he doesn't have to pay forever.
tom segura
There was a timeline on it.
Yeah?
Yeah, yeah.
Because all this stuff was announced.
The big Netflix team.
joe rogan
I don't even want to know how much money he paid.
tom segura
I'm sure it's so much money.
joe rogan
It's so insane that we pretend that If two people are in a relationship and one person makes all the money, that somehow or another, there's an even deal.
tom segura
It's so crazy.
joe rogan
It's so weird.
tom segura
I gotta piss again.
joe rogan
Go ahead, buddy.
Go piss and I'll wrap this up.
We'll talk about your tour when you come back.
We'll finish it up.
Are you sure?
What about the dates?
You want to give specific dates?
The tour with Tommy Buns.
The no teeth, no entry tour.
And all bullshit aside, because Tommy's not in the room right now, this new stuff is a little shaky.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
It's really funny.
He's got one bit, I don't want to spoiler alert it, but he's got one bit that's really intricate, and at the end of it I was like, holy shit, that's good.
And when you're a funny guy like Tom already is, and you're putting out stuff, and then you have to write new stuff, the new stuff represents the new level of funny he is.
That's the last throat clearing of this show, folks, I promise.
This is a rough one, right?
jamie vernon
Got through.
joe rogan
But yeah, the fucking, the beginning, my throat just did not want to cooperate.
And it was fine until I took one hit of weed, and then I drank some coffee.
And then something about the coffee and the weed together just produced this...
We can't do that right before we go on stage.
Or right before I go on the air.
We should do it like five minutes before.
And then do a lot of...
Get that shit out of the way.
Does that make sense?
jamie vernon
I wish there was a way to solve it, but you can't have a cough drop or anything.
joe rogan
No, that would probably be better than nothing, but it's definitely better now that we don't do the butter coffee anymore.
That was fucking me up.
Too many people were complaining, and they were right.
So I took pride in trying not to clear my throat as much, and I still fucked it up.
It's hard.
It's hard out there, Tommy Bunz.
Tommy Bunz, why is no teeth no entry?
Why not?
tom segura
Just make fun of people.
joe rogan
People can buy that glassing shirt.
tom segura
Absolutely.
TomSeguro.com.
joe rogan
They're gonna buy them like fucking crazy now.
tom segura
Yeah, just glassing, bro.
joe rogan
Just glassing.
tom segura
Will you please tell the audience so I can have record that you're impressed with my water consumption?
joe rogan
You're the water champ.
tom segura
Thank you.
joe rogan
You've been the water champ for as long as I've known you.
tom segura
Thank you.
joe rogan
I mean, I've never even seen anybody try to fuck with you or try to take that title.
unidentified
Thank you.
joe rogan
They don't even talk about it.
You know, like, it used to be, like, people would discuss, like, who's the water champ, and now it's just...
tom segura
I remember the first time I met you, it was in Phoenix.
It was on this, like, the stand-up tour, and you came up to me after my set, and you go, I've never seen someone drink so much water during such a short set.
And I was like, wow.
I felt connected to you that you...
Like, that's what you saw.
joe rogan
Well, I recognize this is unusual.
You just kept drinking, and no one said a word.
But it was almost like if you drank one more bottle of water, someone would have had to say something.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, you're pounding the water, but you got to the point where, I don't want to show off.
And you put the water down.
But you let them know.
Like, you're not fucking around.
tom segura
Is this technically water, too?
joe rogan
That's water, too.
So you're a super, super water champ.
tom segura
That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
This is just water with a mild amount of flavoring in it.
Mm-hmm.
So, did you set out to be the water champ?
Or is this something that just happened?
tom segura
It's like a calling.
It's like, did the guy set out to be the fucking, I don't know, the yo-yo champ?
joe rogan
Now, when you wake up in the morning, do you get P-boners?
Are you a big P-boner guy?
tom segura
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Must, right?
tom segura
Yep.
And you have to do like the straddle and squat and you're like, I gotta get this out of me.
joe rogan
If you're drinking that much water, there's no way you're sleeping eight hours, right?
tom segura
Oh, I wake up.
Absolutely.
I have to tell myself like a child to not...
I do that before flights sometimes.
You know, in that 6 a.m.
flight, I'll be walking through the airport like, dude, just don't fucking drink for the next hour so you can sleep on the flight.
joe rogan
But you don't do it.
tom segura
Usually I can't.
Just my overwhelming urge to consume more water takes over.
joe rogan
But it's a competitive thing too, right?
It's also you're putting down numbers.
tom segura
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
You share these online with people?
tom segura
Sometimes people will ask, like, how many, you know, like, what's your record?
I know for these in a day, it's somewhere in the 50s.
And then I know that, like, gallon-wise, it's just over three.
joe rogan
Yeah, whenever someone likes to talk to me about people who work out hard, I always use the example of my friend Cameron Haynes who run 205 miles.
tom segura
How is that even possible?
joe rogan
78 hours.
tom segura
How is that possible?
unidentified
He's a savage.
joe rogan
He's a savage.
He's a crazy person.
tom segura
He's a crazy person.
joe rogan
100%.
But in a good way, like in an overachiever, just a madman, right?
But when someone brings up, you know, dude, I know this guy drinks a lot of water.
I go, shut the fuck up.
tom segura
That's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
That's what I say.
I go, shut the fuck up.
I go, just stop talking about your fucking shitty friend and his shitty water consumption.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know the guy.
tom segura
I know the guy.
unidentified
Yeah, man, my friend, he downs like fucking 15 bottles of water a day, bro.
joe rogan
Tommy, he might drink a thousand in a day.
tom segura
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
He'd just get dropped off by the palate.
He just drinks water and pees.
He drinks water and pees at the same time.
tom segura
Dude.
joe rogan
Sometimes he's peeing while he's drinking.
You don't understand.
tom segura
You're the ultimate hype man.
and I feel like I should get a Let's Go Water Champ shirt.
unidentified
And on that note, Let's Go Water Champ.
joe rogan
Thanks for having me, buddy.
Tom Segura, catch him on tours.
New stuff is absolutely fucking brilliant.
You can watch two specials that are available right now on Netflix.
Oh yeah, he is funny.
But the new shit is even funnier.
Well, it's all fucking great.
TomSegura.com.
unidentified
Thanks, brother.
joe rogan
YourMomsHouse.com.
And go catch him out on tour.
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