Kevin Smith joins Joe Rogan to dissect his Sundance-debuted Yoga Hosers—a bizarre, tween-targeted cult film with one-foot-tall Nazi bratwurst villains—mocking critics while defending its absurdity as a rebellion against Hollywood’s lack of female-led non-superhero stories. They pivot to governance, debating UBI ($12K/year?), outdated systems like the electoral college, and Trump’s populist potential versus Clinton’s perceived political dishonesty, from her late gay marriage support to a viral video joking about Gaddafi’s death. Smith’s father’s unfiltered drag performance at his brother’s 1994 wedding contrasts with modern political performativity, underscoring Rogan’s frustration with institutional loyalty over authenticity. The episode ends with their playful agreement to make these chaotic, insightful chats a regular series—blending filmmaking, history, and futurism into a uniquely unfiltered dialogue. [Automatically generated summary]
And she was like, you just went on a passionate tirade about the man.
I said, I don't know how to explain it, but I love the way he lives.
I've loved the man since news radio, and then meeting the man and speaking with him on previous podcasts, both his and mine.
But not just that, and I love your philosophy, I love the way you do life, you handle it like The way I would if I was you, like, that's the best compliment I could give, but I'm not you, so I'm gutless, and I live through your Instagram.
Like, I look at how you live, I was like, this is how a man lives.
If only I could be this man.
So, coming here is an absolute fucking pleasure.
I thought we were going to your house, but that happened years ago, apparently.
When I went, it must have been a while ago, because Megan was still working for me, and she drove me, and she had to take a leak, and she pissed outside.
I was like, maybe that's why he's not having me back at the house.
He's like, we're bringing him to the satellite office, because he lets his assistants void in the yard.
I'm feeling fucking dope, sir.
Let me tell you why.
I made this movie called Yoga Hosers that just finally came onto Netflix and I took it to Sundance in January and they bent me over and just, critically speaking, and were just hate-fucking it.
They hated this movie.
A lot of people reviewed it from the moment we announced it.
I'm like, hey, I'm going to make a movie with my daughter and Johnny Deppson and his daughter's going to be in it too.
And right away I saw, like, fucking the long sharp knives come out.
And so, as expected, it goes to Sundance.
I'm not saying this movie's for everybody.
It's for, like, ten people in the world.
But the ten people that love it will love it like religion.
And that's why you have such a unique and loyal fan base.
It's because they know...
It's like, in this world...
There's not a whole lot of unique visions.
There's a lot of ideas that get brought to producers and executives and a bunch of people pile in and it becomes more of an idea where it's trying to appeal to a broader audience and it switches up and then someone wants to bring in a love interest.
There's all sorts of influences that happen that homogenize as you drink some milk.
It's cinema of cool because you could just look at, even if you don't have an experiential connection to it, like, oh, I once went to a 50s cafe as per Pulp Fiction.
The bigger the budget, the more you have to listen to a bunch more people.
And you can't be unreasonable about it if you get tremendous amounts of success like J.J. Abrams and you're a nice guy at the same time.
I'm going to do whatever I want.
And people are like, what you want tends to work, so here you go nuts.
But generally speaking, the more money you accept, the more input you also have to accept.
Lower the budget, and if it's coming out of your pocket, you don't have to say shit to anybody or nobody can tell you anything.
But, you know, if you're putting together something small, it's still a smaller circle of people to kind of answer to you.
You always have to be willing to hear what they're saying.
If somebody's willing to give you ungodly amounts of money to make pretend, mind you, this is not like, I'm going to give you funds and you're going to give me eggs and then I'm going to sell those eggs and I'm going to make more money selling those eggs.
They're like, we're going to give you money and you're going to take this goofy fucking idea you have and try to make it real and turn it into a movie that may work or may not work.
It's all crapshoot.
It's like buying a lottery ticket to a large degree.
No guarantees that there'll ever be an audience for it.
So I learned that midway in my career and realized, well, just work for you.
Sounds masturbatory, but it's like, if you're the audience that you're trying to hit, Then you'll always be satisfied.
You know, it's like if you want other people to like it, it's subjective.
And you may not find that people dig what you're doing.
And, you know, if you're looking for monetary success, good luck.
Nobody can guess that.
Like, even when Marvel releases a new movie, and we know Marvel is exceptional at what they do.
The animated movies are ungodly expensive to make, but they print money.
And they print money not just the first time they come out at the box office.
They print money through all the licenses.
They print money where, you know, sometimes you go like, they're doing a sequel to that.
Why?
Why don't they do something new?
Because they've already built the world.
It's already there in a computer, and they're like, all we need is a new script, and we're good.
We've done our infrastructure.
Like, when you think about it, if you were building something, you built all this massive infrastructure and spent three years putting it together and did it once, and then you're like, okay, everybody, goodbye forever.
It's kind of a waste of everything you put together.
That's why they immediately go for a sequel.
A, they know they're going to make money, but B, they're going to make more money because they don't have to invest as much time and money as they did the first time.
So that's what makes a studio go like, oh, that's easier.
That's low-hanging fruit.
And everyone's happy.
You know, it's not like they're making art films that only a few people like.
Generally, they tend to make flicks that a bunch of people want to go see.
And that riles up people that want to see newer films or something like that.
Because, like, why is it always the same movie over and over again?
But, you know, I submit to you, if you're going to see a superhero movie...
Expect a little fucking sameness.
It's a story of, like, an exceptional being with powers that others don't, and hopefully that person will use it for good.
You know, you could only cut that cheese so many fucking times and say it's something new.
In the movie, I was like, did they say somebody fucking died in prison?
And over Batman?
You know, they went in strange directions.
But...
After a year of, like, just taking it over, a movie that nobody saw because it didn't really come out conventionally, we toured it and stuff like that, Yoga Horsers finally goes to Netflix.
And I just want to go back and, like, here, let me just assure people.
If there's something you want to do, do it.
Like, as long as it doesn't hurt somebody.
Especially if it's something like make something, like a movie or fucking comic book or art, whatever the fuck.
Don't worry about the consequences.
There was a moment throughout this year where I was like, fuck, what was I? I was stoned, why did I make that movie?
Like, oh my god, I'm a fucking idiot and stuff.
And I forgot somewhere along the way that, like, when I made it, and this isn't a cop-out of, like, I didn't make it for everybody, but I did kind of target an audience for it.
And I knew going in that it was going to have this weird life to get to where it is.
I made it for tween girls specifically.
I was like, maybe other people could enjoy it, but this is for a tween girl.
The way, like, when I was a tween boy, I was clicking on cable and I found Strange Brew, starring Bob and Doug McKenzie.
And I was like...
Oh my God, I've never heard of this before.
How come nobody ever heard of this?
This is mine.
You have a sense of ownership to it.
It changed my life.
It's one of my favorite movies and informed what I would become in life, the kind of comedy I would do.
I have a daughter, and she's 17 now, but for years I was always trying to take her to flicks where it's not Iron Man, Spider-Man, Superman, Batman.
It's like, hey, is there a fucking lady up in the mix here that's not just like, and Black Widow.
Now they're making a Wonder Woman movie.
So I said, you can sit around and curse the darkness, or you can light a candle.
So I was like, all right, let's make this thing that I'm trying to take the kid to that I could never find and shit.
And she got into acting, so...
She's in it.
And she's the reason I did it.
If it wasn't for her, I wouldn't have tried it and shit.
But she had a small role in Tusk.
I thought she did good.
So I spun off her character and her friend Lily Rose's character into this whole movie.
So when I was making it, I was making it for like, you know, you want to talk about playing a game of darts.
It's like, you're not going after anybody between girls.
And I knew in that moment, I was like, it's going to be a long time before they get it.
They're not going to find it in theaters.
It's a fucking weird hybrid midnight movie.
It's a stoner flick.
The villains are one foot tall Canadian Nazis made of bratwurst called Bratzies.
Like it's a fucked up weird ass movie.
So they'll find it.
Like the way I found Strange Brew on cable, I had this dream, like two simple dreams in regards to this poster.
In regards to this movie.
I want a poster where two girls just stand next to each other and they're not like fighting over a fucking boy or something like that.
They're just hanging out.
The way like Dante and Randall hung out on my clerk's poster.
And then, like, it would eventually wind up on Netflix or some streaming service that's, like, amidst hundreds, thousands of other movies.
And some tween girl is clicking through one day, bored of shit, and just watched everything, and suddenly sees the picture of, like, two girls standing next to each other, hockey stick, and little sausage men.
And going like, what's that?
And like, it becomes their religion, their strange brew or something.
You know, you can't always go for the world.
It'd be nice if you're going to satisfy everybody, but you're trying to satisfy yourself, which sounds very masturbatory, but at the same time, it's like, I hope people go on the journey.
But I understand if they can't.
Like, sometimes we go in directions where the audience, the entire audience, can't follow us.
I'm sure you got some people who love you who are like, yeah, I don't dig on MMA, but I love everything else you do.
It's like, they could go partially, they can't go all the way with you sometimes.
And I get that, you know?
It's like, especially lately, I've been making movies that are real, like, fucking dare.
Like, not daring, but like, I dare you to fucking get through this.
You know, it's a real, like, clearly he doesn't give a shit about the audience anymore.
He's just making shit to watch their reaction change.
And it's not true.
There's something there and stuff.
But I know that it used to be a wider bridge people could cross to get to me, and now the bridge is getting smaller and smaller.
Because I'm like, you gotta like this.
You gotta be interested in this.
Like Tusk, the movie I made after Red State, is a movie about a guy who tries to turn another guy into a walrus.
You really got me in the mood to see a fucking weird, batshit, stupid movie that's intentionally like, well, is this fucking dumb?
Is he serious?
And it plays it so straight and shit, like we're Argo.
So clearly I'm in a very experimental, like, let me fuck around.
I've done enough.
I feel good.
Let me fuck around.
And it finally paid off.
That's the point of this whole story.
Like, after a year, get mass kicked online and people being like, he fucking lost it and shit.
Now that audience is starting to find it.
Now that it's on Netflix, all of a sudden I'm hearing from fucking tween girls that like the movie.
But sooner or later, there's a factor of want to see, because that has to do with whether the thing makes money or goes at the box office.
How something makes money is completely different now.
You're never counting on, like, oh, people will come out and see it in a theater and shit like that.
You know, there's a bunch of different revenue streams at this point and stuff, thanks to the digital age.
But at that point, when I'm making it, you know, of course you think, hey, somebody's going to see it.
It's not like you're doing it in a, you know, kind of like an abyss and nobody's there but you or something like that.
But at the same time, you know, when it's all done...
Just stupid questions like, you know, what do you want the poster to look like?
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You know, I can't say, like, I never think about that shit, because sooner or later, somebody's going to ask me a question that I have to, you know, where they're like, hey, man, we get it.
You're making it for you, but you did take a few million bucks.
Like, how do we sell this shit?
How do we get our money back, you know?
So, you know, then you, that's when you start going, okay, how do we get it to the right audience?
No more like, how do we tailor it, or how do we, Fucking trick them into seeing it or something like that.
Like, put it on Front Street.
And then dealing with the fallout...
Yeah, I used to have to deal with it a lot more.
I used to choose to deal with it a lot more.
And now it's just like...
I'm 46. Like, I don't know what else to tell you.
Like, there was a person who came to one of the screenings on the road.
We had this screening at...
I forget where we were.
I want to say New Orleans.
And of Yoga Hosers and I was doing Q&A afterwards.
And you know, everyone's getting up and like, oh, it's fun.
It's fucking stupid and asking questions.
And then one guy gets up and he is like tight, dude.
He's very serious.
And he's just like, okay, you told a big long story before that movie began.
And I did.
There was a big intro before the movie began.
Told like an hour-long story of how we got there.
And he goes, that story did not match the movie I just watched.
And I said, no?
And he goes, not at all.
And he goes, why did you make that movie?
He's going, I found that unwatchable.
And everyone in the audience is going, oh.
And I was like, no, man, he paid.
Like, he overpaid to see this movie if I'm sitting here talking.
So, yeah, let him say what he wants.
Like, I'm a big boy.
I'm fine.
And so he goes, I just don't think you ever should have made it.
It's terrible.
And I said, well, you understand that's subjective, right?
Like, you're surrounded by a bunch of people that feel, like, the opposite way.
So, you know, and people were applauding and shit.
And then some guy behind him in line jumps in front of the mic and goes, you want me to kick his ass?
And I was like, no, fuck no.
I was like, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
I said, but his opinion is I never should have done this.
And, you know, my answer to that is, like, that's ridiculous.
Like, if...
I wanted to make it.
That's the only reason we're here.
I just want to see it.
You could choose not to see it.
And in this instance, I'm really sorry that our tastes didn't coincide.
But every time I go to do one of these things, I do it the same way, whether it was Clerks up to the most recent one.
I just make the movie I want to see.
And hopefully others like it.
And sometimes they do, and that's amazing, and it feels great.
And you're like, holy shit, my finger's on the pulse.
And sometimes you're fucking alone, but at least you're like, I'm happy with the thing that I made.
I said, but I feel heartbroken that you came out here looking for something I didn't give you.
So I said, I'm going to give you your money back.
And I pulled out 40 bucks and I was like, put it on the, there's like a riser speaker.
And he goes, I don't want that.
And I was like, no, man, honestly, take it.
It's not a trick.
It's not like Jason Mue is going to come out and hit you with a hammer.
Just take it.
Like, I feel bad.
I want you to have a good time and shit like that.
And he goes, no, I don't want that.
And I was like, dude, it makes for an excellent story.
You could be like, I told him his movie fucking blew to his face and I fucking took his money and walked out.
And he goes, no.
And he went and sat down and crossed his arms and just stayed there for another half hour during the Q&A. So for him it was worth the $40 just to be like, I'm going to just sit here and fucking hate on this.
And let you know and then sit down again.
So you deal with that, but that's the memorable one because that never happens.
Generally speaking, Like when we toured the movie, you're in a safe zone.
It's like going out and doing club night.
It's like people there are there because they love you.
They're not going, I wonder if this fucking tween sausage movie is for me.
Like, they're already dialed in on some part of the journey.
Like, oh, I've loved Tosk or I've been with them since Clerks or so forth and so on.
The relationship that you have to the people that buy your stuff is very direct.
You also have a podcast, so you talk about things in a pretty open and honest way like this, and you express vulnerability, which makes people super uncomfortable.
But in the world in general, if you tell people like, oh, I fucked up and I'm stupid or I'm fat or my dick's small, they're like, hey, man, hey, that's too much.
Yeah, and I guess if you're that sheltered, like your dad is some super movie star type character, your transition to regular, ordinary adulthood is probably super confusing.
I did one thing like 22 fucking years ago, and that's it.
Like, all you have to do is find one trick.
You can take your whole life if you need to.
But I said, nobody expects you to be me.
And this is a common...
Not theme, but I've had a moment like this before.
Once with Scott Mosher, the guy that I do Smodcast with, and I made all the early flicks with.
He would always say, it's tough to live in your shadow.
And I was like, what shadow?
We make everything together.
And he goes, well, we make your stuff.
And every time I think about going to make something...
I gotta compare it to the shit that we made together, and it makes me go, well, maybe I'm not ready to try it.
And I was like, well, that's not my fault.
He's like, I'm not saying it's your fault.
It's just tough to live in your shadow.
And, you know, I thought maybe that was his thing.
Years later, I heard the same shit from my wife.
She's like, it's just tough to live in your shadow.
I'm like, what are you talking about?
We don't even do the same things.
And she's like, but I can't even think about doing things now without thinking Well, he's kind of done something like that.
Or is it going to be compared to something he does?
And I'm like, you're out of your mind.
Everything I do fails.
And nobody ever holds it as a high watermark.
So it's not like they would hold you to some same high standard that they don't even hold me to.
So there's a bit of that, man.
Now my kid is echoing it a little bit where...
Through no fault of my own, not like I've created this, you know, like, live up to my standard.
I'm like, everyone do what you want, man.
Even with a kid.
I've never talked to her like a kid.
I've always talked to her like an adult.
But now even my kid is just like, yeah, it makes it tough to go do something because of you.
And it's not like you did it, but you do a lot and there's a high bar.
And I'm like, it makes me feel bad.
It makes me go like, all right, do less.
But I'm like, I got one life.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I gotta accomplish a lot before my old man died at 67. Like, I don't know how long I'm gonna live, but I want to accomplish as much as I can and create and do shit and experience things.
Yeah, it's like, and I don't want to take away from all these other people's time.
You know what I'm saying?
I want her to enjoy her time and my wife to enjoy her time and Scott to enjoy his time.
But the sad fact of the matter is, In order for you to rise, usually someone in your life falls.
And it's not a precipitous like, oh, I've fucking broken, but they can't be rising like you when they're helping you build your shit.
That's something I had to learn to deal with way early on in my career.
I used to take advantage of people and not in the way of like, oh, I'm trying to take advantage of you, but I was like, oh, we're just working on my thing because what else will we be working on?
And hey, isn't this all great that we're working, period, and stuff.
And you forget that not everybody started Wanting to do your thing.
Like, Scott's whole thing was, you know, I didn't go to film school to become a producer of your movies.
I went to film school to write and direct.
And I've been having a great time doing your stuff.
But that meant ten years of me not even trying to do the thing that I went to do.
So it's a weird...
Especially because I never really feel successful.
I'm never like, well, I understand.
I understand I cast a wide shadow, but I don't think it's a very long shadow, because I'm like, there's no high bar here, kids.
There's a high bar in as much as, like, you know, I smoke a lot.
But there's no, like, well, he made the Matrix, motherfucker.
Like, how are you going to be the kid or the guy that made the Matrix?
Hey, let me ask you this, because you probably wouldn't know the answer to this before we get back to the subject, because this subject's really important.
Really go like, well, I've never seen anything like that before.
I mean, it is kind of like, go to the Bible, it's a Jesus story on some level, right?
Messianic in nature.
But if you're talking about, these motherfuckers are in big batteries that power a fucking machine that we're all in and plugs in our head, then it gets very, very close.
The unique thing about it is that we have been living under this illusion that it either had to be one of these people, like a Democrat, or one of these people, or Republican, and that these people are politicians and these are the people that won presidencies.
And we might see, and I'm not saying burn it all down and see what happens, but...
We've had how many years of a two-party system, essentially, where it's like, yeah, there's lip service to a Green Party and lip service to another party, but we, for all intents and purposes, I mean, I know it was claimed by the Republican Party, but we saw...
There was a lot of people that wanted to make history.
They wanted to make history because, look, from a social standpoint, Barack Obama was very important because here was a super articulate guy who's really calm and he has a very even presence about him, always.
You never see him riled up.
You never see him crazy.
Even he gets heckled.
Did you see that thing where the Trump supporter was heckling him and he handled it with grace?
He's just a graceful guy.
That's probably the best way to describe him.
That was important for the country because that represented like, wow, hey, here's this black guy who's super articulate and so calm and so, like, the way he expresses himself is so perfect for a president, so presidential.
Like, what a perfect example for our country.
This is us.
And then I think a lot of people felt like Hillary Clinton would be another one of those things.
Like, look, we can have a woman running things.
We're not sexist.
Like, look, we look, we are a really articulate, incredibly well experienced woman who's been in business for a long time with the government.
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She's deep inside the public service since she was a teenager.
But I think if that was a man and she had all those same problems, it was a man and tied to some foundation that was getting all these people that eventually got arms deals and they donated and they were all part of this weird sort of incestuous political world, a man would be skewered with that same record because Trump was running as an outsider.
You know, what he had going against him is he's boorish.
He says ridiculous shit.
And, you know, they could point to that recording of him talking about grabbing pussies.
And they're like, look, look, look who we have here.
That was like the big thing against him.
But at least to these people that hate the system, he was an outsider.
If she was a man, she would have represented even more of it inside her.
You know, I think to a lot of people.
I think her actions and what she's done in the past versus her as a woman that was like sort of a situation there.
You ever see the video where she was talking about Gaddafi being killed?
I think the best way to probably handle it is let every human being have a say.
Every human being that's of adult age.
And I think registering to vote should be just as fucking easy as getting an email.
It should be just as easy as doing everything else that you do online.
You got a Twitter handle?
You should be able to vote.
You should be able to use your ID, whoever you are, whatever your name is, call yourself whoever the fuck you want.
That is one individual vote.
That's what I think.
And I think as long as we can figure out how to make that system pure, where people can't hack into it, you can't log in from 15 different computers, if you have a fucking birth certificate and your birth certificate aligns with this number and that's this and this is you, as long as they can figure out how to make it so people don't hack into it, everybody who's an adult should be allowed to vote.
You tell them you can't be a 20-year-old and do something stupid and rob somebody or something, and then I'm supposed to think of you a certain way for the rest of your life?
You're 80 now.
You robbed somebody when you were 20. That's still you?
I think the real issue is government, right, governing us.
So the real issue is what everybody wants is safety Security, protection, and unity.
That's what everybody wants.
All the other stuff, in terms of restrictions on your behavior, we have to just figure it out, cut it down the middle between hurts other people and hurts yourself.
And hurts yourself?
You're on your own.
Just like you're on your own with rock climbing, just like you're on your own with bungee joping.
I think there's going to be states that resist it still.
There's guys like that Jeff Sessions guy who's coming into office with Trump who could be an issue, but I don't think he will be because I think Trump is a- A business person.
Yeah, he's a business person.
He's not just a business person.
He's a populist, right?
He's going to want people to like him.
And it doesn't make sense.
It's not a logical move.
As weird as he is, he's not illogical.
Hillary Clinton was illogical, and this is why I say that.
Because I got a lot of shit from people that are super pro, hashtag I'm with her.
And I'm like, look, man, she didn't support gay marriage until 2013. Do you know how crazy that is?
Until 2013, Hillary Clinton was saying that she believes that marriage was between a man and a woman.
It was a sacred union, and it should be protected.
So it's one of two things.
Either she actually believed that, or she was in bed with people who were forcing her to behave that way or say that.
Or she thought that she had to say that in order to get elected.
Like, all of a sudden, Donna Summer and Diana Ross came down the staircase, and it wasn't a real thing.
But, boy, they fucking looked it and put on a huge show.
And my father was still alive, and he just had a heart attack at that point, or a couple heart attacks, stroke as well.
Two heart attacks and a couple strokes.
So he walked to the cane, and one of his hands was like Bob Dole, like, just kind of hanging there and stuff like that.
So him and my mom are at this gig at my brother's wedding.
And there we are, like, on the dance floor watching the drag show.
And, you know, the performers are lip syncing, like, famous songs.
And my mom was, she had a lot of drinks in her.
My mom is, like, fucking boogieing and shit.
She's got, like, you know, extra fucking weight, like every Smith.
And so, you know, she's jiggling here and there and stuff like that in her sleeveless dress.
My old man was dressed in, like, a suit that didn't fucking match.
She just put it together and shit like that.
But he had his hand on my mom's back and with his weak hand was kind of leaning on the can but using her more for stability.
So his hand's on her back while she's dancing and stuff.
And I watched, you know, I'm standing right behind him.
I watched through the course of the fucking song, my old man's hand slide down my mom's back, then spin in a pretty fluid motion for a guy who had a couple strokes, and go right for the ass cup.
And not stop on cheek, son, but dive deep, spelunking for gold.
Like, he went right inside and cupped it like this shit's mine.
Jesus Christ.
And I will never forget that.
I told my brother, I was like, my God, like, you don't realize that's never going to happen in any other wedding but yours, man.
Like, my father was just like, I'm free, motherfucker.
And he started grabbing his wife, my mother.
Now, they were married, so that's okay.
She wanted it.
She didn't fight him.
She was just like...
She was...
I've had discussions with my mother since about that night.
Yeah, well a lot of our plastic comes in contact with food for sure.
But I read another thing about a certain type of bird that lives on this one island where it's a real epidemic that these mama birds are bringing back plastic and feeding it to their babies.
Or how about a grilled cheese sandwich with tuna where you butter the outside of the bread and you put some tomato on that bitch and you put some tuna and you put a bunch of slices of sharp cheddar and you cook that shit?
Well, there's a lot of speculation that by 2050, we literally would have killed most of the fish in the sea.
If we continue escalating the way we have from 1960 to 2016, population now 7 billion, let's just assume it's going to double by 2050. I don't know what the number is.
Well, they have a method now, apparently, where they can make petri dish, you know, like...
Stem cell created meat.
I don't know how the fuck they do it.
I have zero understanding of the process.
But I know that they did it a long time ago and it was so expensive that they did it like one cheeseburger would have cost like a quarter million dollars.
Another method that another friend of mine did is they drilled into the bone in his hip and they pulled marrow out and used that marrow, used the stem cells from his hip marrow and then injected that into his knee and it had a pretty remarkable effect too.
The opinion is divided over which stem cell therapy is the most effective.
But one of them that seems to be very effective is one that I did, and that's with cesarean section.
They take a woman who's given birth by cesarean section, and if they're young, I think they have to be within a certain age limit, then they take their placenta and they extract stem cells from the placenta.
And then they have some sort of a process that I'll never understand, and then they inject the stem cells into the injury itself.
And your body starts regenerating tissue.
So that's the difference between this and any other sort of form of therapy, is that it actually allows your body to regenerate tissue.
So things that are torn can actually heal and thicken and strengthen, like you're seeing with those burn victims.
Again, don't listen to me because I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
1610. Anyone that you ever loved that didn't make it to 54 and just realized that the bloodbather who butchered all those women made it to 54. How old was she when they locked her in the hole?
And that's been a theme that people have sort of repeated over and over again.
And it makes you wonder.
Maybe we know somewhere, and maybe it's just we're ridiculous, and blood's a liquid, and you can contain it and measure it, and we just get our heads wrapped around this idea that that's what makes you younger.
Or maybe like we inherently knew that's the source of aging is the blood.
Maybe it's not something that we knew or didn't knew, but it's inherent knowledge.
Like maybe your system, sort of like how your body knows when it's thirsty to drink water without anybody even telling you, like you just kind of know, right?
There's like certain things that you know.
You see a snake, even if you've never seen one, you're going to back up.
There's things that you just know.
It could be highly possible that we'd have some sort of subconscious understanding of some aspects of our body, some needs that our body has, that we've never been able to see it written anywhere because no one's written it down, but maybe you kind of know things.
They did one episode in the second season about...
They don't telegraph it up front.
It's smart TV. They make you work for it.
But essentially the idea is they take people who are dying and you can download your consciousness into this digital playground where you look the way you want.
It looks like, you know, every spring break you've ever seen and stuff.
And so these two people meet up and they're both young women.
You find out one is an old woman and the other, they're both old women, but one's been a vegetable since she was like a teenager.
They can run, romp, and be free and be whoever they want.
But it's generally considered, like, you could choose to just die and pass on to whatever you think is out there, if there's a heaven or something like that.
Or you could choose to go to the server, as they call it and stuff.
And so the two women who fall for one another, one is like, stay here forever.
We can be like this forever.
And the older woman was like, I had a life with a husband and a kid.
And I watched him get old and die.
And he chose not to do this.
And now I'm going to choose to live forever.
And her friend's like...
Where you're going?
You don't even know where you're going, but what if he's not there?
And this is not a knock against the writers because the writers are brilliant.
Paul Sims, the guy who created it, another one of the smartest people I've ever met.
And just completely unique.
There's a lot of guys that pretend to be that eccentric, weirdo writer guy.
Paul Sims is that motherfucker.
He's such an eccentric guy.
They didn't start writing until like 3 o'clock in the morning.
They would hang out and play video games and fart in each other's faces.
They literally didn't start writing until the middle of the night because Paul had a strategy of getting everybody really tired and silly and then they would write all night.
And then a lot of times we would get like the first draft, the day of the table read, we would get the first draft, they would just be coming, like Josh Lee would come down barefoot, and these guys would be up all night, and Lou Morton and all these writers, and I was like, you guys are fucking crazy, like, you didn't even sleep like this?
He goes like, no, we've been writing all night, this is how we do it.
And they were just silly, because they were almost, without doing drugs, they were getting high.
Like Paul was a he's such a unique guy that he would essentially let anybody come up with another line if like they were doing a table read or not a table read rather but a Run-through if you would get a hold of script Dave would come up with an alternative line, and right away, the show was in trouble, because the first year that we were filming, it wasn't really doing very well in the ratings, and they couldn't figure out how the show...
I didn't know how to do the job, dude, because I was so...
I came through indie film, and so I didn't come up through the world of comedy.
I backdoored into the world of comedy.
But I came up through indie film, and indie film was like, hey man, auteur.
You write and direct your stuff.
It's your statement and stuff.
And since nobody taught you, and there's nobody to teach you this shit, there's no book, you have your own process where you're like, well, I guess to be pure, it should all be my stuff.
That way when I see it say, written by Kevin Smith, it's not a lie.
Just like I was raised Catholic, so for the longest time, I thought I was a virgin until I was about 17, Really, I lost my virginity at 13. Like, I was inside a girl at age 13. She was also the same age, so it's not creepy.
Although it's creepy to talk about now.
But I never came.
And in Catholic school, there's no class where they're like, you know, sex is penetration.
They don't tell you shit.
So, you know, I was like, well...
You make rules for yourself, and you just buy them as those are the rules.
So for years, I was like, well, you know, I never came inside a girl, so I've not had sex yet.
And then when I finally had sex, I was like, oh, I guess penetration counts, and hence I had sex a long time ago.
It was a problem for a minute with my current girlfriend then.
Like, oh, she may have to get an abortion, and then you're carrying that shit.
No, Catholics, I don't think...
I think any faith...
You know, you can sin.
Especially with Catholicism, they had a built-in get-out-of-jail-free card.
You can do what you need to, but you come into church, you tell the strange man your dirty little secrets in a booth with no lights, and you leave, and everything's going to be fine with Jesus.
And it made sense all throughout my childhood.
I was like, yeah, it makes sense.
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Alright, so wait, where were we before we got into that?
No, Paul was just like really good at picking out the goofy shit that you do and like exaggerating it.
Because I was always into stupid UFO stories, so it would always be some conspiracy theory or some gadget, because I've always been a dork when it comes to technology.
I'm fascinated by all sorts of gadgets and shit, but I don't actually know how to make anything.
I'm good at it because I'm flashing on moments where you're like, you see this, and it's just a card, and you're like, it's from the elevator, but I don't know which one.
It was during Ray's period and stuff.
All the Gorelli moments are washing over me as you say that.
Me and Jim Brewer and a bunch of other great guys were in it.
And then Fox got a hold of it and just sort of fisted it and just came in its eyeballs and just twisted it all around.
Turns out it's like a really hacky...
It's just a really hacky version of what it once was and then eventually got cancelled.
So I thought being a young, dumb guy that I was, I thought, oh, this show's definitely going to be a hit.
I should get an apartment.
I'm going to live out here.
I might as well get a year lease.
Everything's going great.
And then all of a sudden the show gets cancelled.
I'm like, what am I doing out here?
I don't have any friends out here.
I hardly know anybody.
My friends were all back home and I was like, gosh, she just moved back to New York.
And then I got a development deal.
It's like NBC got in touch with my management and they asked me if I wanted to do my own show or if I wanted to do this show that they have already, this show called NewsRadio.
So I got to watch the pilot before I had no idea what it was like before anybody ever saw it.
I got a VHS tape of the pilot before it ever aired on TV. And so I got to watch that and then I auditioned for it.
So it was a big advantage in that I kind of understood Like the style.
In his day job, he's doing shit and then watching trauma on TV. Well, she was telling me that her brother had a real severe sunburn to the point where it had blisters, where it's like, whoa, you really fucked this up.
But when you watch someone like that, where you know they're going to get hurt, and then when they get hurt and it's really bad, you know that feeling that you get like a sharpness?
Somebody posted a picture today from a playground in the 1920s.
And I don't know if it's real, because I really probably shouldn't be talking about it, but if it is real, like, Jesus Christ, these bars were like 50 feet off the ground.
These kids are just climbing ladders and shit, these metal ladders.
I mean, the way the setup looked like, today there's not a chance in hell you would let your kids play on this thing.
You know, you didn't want to get hurt, but nobody told you you might get hurt that badly.
Some things were sensible.
Like, I was a child, if I saw monkey bars that high, number one, I didn't even go near the fucking monkey bars, but if I saw them that high, I'd be like, this is ridiculous.
Like, this is clearly, clearly we're being filmed or something.
Well, then you have to agree that we live in a better time because nobody ran on that platform in the election of like, hey, man, only the strong survive.
So, you know, if your kid goes to the playground, falls off the muggy bars, that's on you.
The only thing that's wrong with that is the idea that she's not going to have to start making a living on her own.
She's going to be able to carry forth under her dad's momentum.
But the only reason why that's a problem, even remotely, is because we have this absurd idea that it should be super important for you to take care of yourself.
That it should be super important for you to financially carry yourself.
And Eddie was talking about universal basic income.
And at first I thought, what?
You're going to give people free money?
Get the fuck out of here.
That's so stupid, dude.
You can't do that.
And then the more I thought about it, the more I said, well, it seems like when you give people money, it kills their motivation for a lot of folks.
But what if that's just like your needs are covered?
Is that really true, that if you give people something and you give them security, that it takes away their creativity?
Or is this just, I mean, we don't know, because everybody's always been in need, they overcame that need, and then they became successful, right?
That's the story that we hear over and over again.
But what if all your needs were taken care of, like food, shelter?
Like you have basic stuff.
You're not going to get rich, but you have enough to eat, and you always have a roof over your head.
First of all, wouldn't we like each other more if that was the case?
If we didn't have to worry, if nobody had to worry about how much money they had, nobody had to worry about not being able to eat, nobody worried about not having a place to sleep.
That sounds utopian, right?
But that's almost doable financially.
If you look at the amount of money we have versus the amount of people we have versus how much money people make, it's like, ooh, it's kind of close.
Like, we would have to restructure a lot of shit, but it seems like they might be able to give every person $12,000 a year.
And I think if we could figure out some sort of a way To do things like that, I think we would have a giant alleviation of tension and struggle at its, like, base level.
Survival shit.
Like, to elevate us as a people just above the survival thing.
So then we can relax more and get better at all this other shit.
But we've got to get past the survival thing.
And the base of the survival is what?
Basic food.
Basic shelter.
Having a roof over your head and having food.
If you could just guarantee that, if we could all collectively say, let's figure out, let's pile all this fucking money together.
Let's figure out how we can make this better.
What's number one?
We've got to...
We've got to figure out a way to make it easier to figure out what the fuck you want to do with your life.
You shouldn't have to just dive into some job and be desperate.
I mean, we were talking today, Jamie, about people that we know, that you know, that maybe wanted to do something else, but they played it safe, and now they're kind of stuck in this weird place where they can't get out of playing it safe because they have bills, and they get trapped.
I feel like if we had some sort of like universal basic income, it's totally possible that way less people would do that and then more people would try to make independent films or more people would try to become stand-up comics or more people would try to write books or more people would try to build cars or do whatever the fuck they're compelled to do.
Well, I'm not saying that this world that we live in right now doesn't offer opportunity.
This world we live in offers ample opportunity.
That's not what I'm saying.
I really feel like it's possible that we're doing it wrong.
I just think, collectively, and I've said this before, so if you heard me say it before, anybody listening, I apologize, but I always say that if we looked at ourselves as an organism, if we looked at society as an organism, what would we want to fix as an organism?
Would we want to make the muscles stronger, or would we want to kill the cancer?
Would we want to figure out what's wrong with it?
Would we want to cure the disease?
Well, the disease has got to be poverty.
Like, it's the number one problem that we have is crime and poverty.
Like, we've got to focus on that area of our world.
And instead of thinking of it as, oh, they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps or, oh, they need to fucking, you know, realize there's opportunity out there.
You just got to go get it.
Everybody's got their own path.
I think collectively as just a human species, we have to look at the world's problems, like the world's real deep poverty and social problems, and look at it almost like as if we're a living creature.
If we're a living creature and there's parts of us that are starving to death, you've got to get that part food, right?
I mean, that's universal.
That's why those commercials with Sally Field's Sally Struthers.
I feel like we only have a certain amount of time.
You know, just as an organism that has a finite lifespan.
You have like...
100 years, if you're lucky, you know, and this thing that we're doing now where we have a president, you know, and you have to fucking go out there and earn your keep, boy.
And, you know, you get a job and, well, looks like you're gonna have to get married now.
You're a dad.
Okay.
And then you just you're like, all of a sudden, I'm dying.
Like I was living.
I worked in a factory.
Now I'm dying.
I don't know if that's the right way to make the most The most productive society.
Or the most enjoyable experience for the people that are living in this society.
But chasing the idea of prosperity in one direction as opposed to spiritual prosperity.
Not saying religion.
Prosperity of one's soul.
Growing as a person.
Something that doesn't have to stop just because now you've entered the workplace, now you're married, and now you're falling into place with the model for society.
There's still...
A space in there for, well, and I think maybe this is where I'm coming around to your free $12,000 a year.
The idea of free $12,000 a year because maybe it does leave a little breathing space where suddenly in that space somebody's like, oh, I want to do this and this would make me happy.
And when I'm happy at this, it'll trickle down at work.
Like so many people are like, I go from one job to this job and, you know, and then I get the weekends maybe and my weekends are Tuesday and Thursday or something like that.
So yeah, you're right.
I was thinking like, Even I got privileges and fucking breaks that a lot of people wouldn't get.
I came from, like, poor white people, but it didn't matter.
It was white people, and so there were breaks for me out there somewhere in the world.
And I always think through that prism.
But you're right, man.
There are a lot of people out there that would benefit from, like, here's a cushion.
But this would make us feel like we're looking out for each other a little bit.
I mean, I'm not fully formed on this idea.
It's just something I'm battering around in my head.
But I'm battering it around in my head the same way I'm battering around this idea that there shouldn't really be a president.
It's only there because we've been doing it this way for 300 years.
But if it didn't exist, there's no way that's how you would run it.
There's no way we would all agree, well, what we should do is we should get one person who knows the most people with the most money, who have been doing this the longest, and that person will have a giant advantage over everybody else, and get that person backed up by these huge corporations that would benefit by this person being Because you'd make laws and make environmental rules a little bit lax so we can get away with some shit and we can make more money.
There's no way we would say, yeah, let's do it that way.
There's no fucking way we would say, no, we want the geniuses of the world.
We want the professors, the Elon Musks.
We want the Bill Gates, the people that are very wise and very intelligent and very rational.
You want to talk to giant groups of them.
And we want to form our own opinions, and we should all be voting collectively as a group.
There shouldn't be some representative government, some electoral college.
What are you gonna fucking wear a powdered wig to, you cunt?
You gonna ride around on a fucking horse with some homemade horseshoes with your powdered wig and your electoral college?
Are you gonna read it on a scroll in the town square standing on an apple box?
But then for a compound bow, you have two possibilities that you're using it for.
One, which is target archery, which is what I do more than anything.
I shoot targets just in my yard and with friends, and I'll go to some ranges, and there's a place in Vegas I go to that's really cool.
And doing that is like you don't need that much power, because it's just about figuring out where the arrow's going to go and being accurate about it.
But then when you get to, if you wanted to hunt an animal with it, then you have a certain obligation to make sure that your bow is at least a certain amount, has a certain amount of power to it.
And most people agree that somewhere around 45 or 50 pounds.
It's debatable.
But in Texas, I know they're like, I think they fought back a law because they were trying to keep kids from bow hunting unless they could pull back, I think it was 35 pounds or 45 pounds.
One of those things where, you know, you confront...
As much as I love this shit, I love comic books and whatnot, that was the moment where I was like, this shit falls apart.
Like, you always find yourself defending the notion of a Batman to people like, come on, dude, if you had all the money and you lost your parents, you had all the time to fucking commit to your body, turning it into a weapon, you could be Batman.
There could be no Superman.
He comes from fucking space.
But there could be a Batman.
And then...
All you have to do is try pulling back a bow and arrow once and you realize, like, well, there couldn't be a green arrow.
So if that can't exist, then this probably can't exist.
Although, like we were talking about on an episode of Smodcast the other day, could...
Could you, like, I saw a video they did on Penn& Teller, Penn& Teller were doing it, where somebody shot a bullet at a samurai sword, and, you know, they had it calibrated so it was hitting directly into the middle of the blade, and it split the bullet in two.
And then the idea was, like, could a butter knife do the same thing?
And, of course, the butter knife did the same thing.
It split the bullet.
So it didn't matter if it was hammered a thousand times, razor's edge samurai sword or a butter knife, that bullet hitting that target split in two.
So we were talking about it on the podcast.
I was like, well, that to me, I said, that to me is proof now that you could fight crime with a katana sword.
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I was like, you have to be super fucking fast, I said to Scott.
Because I said, I'm not saying you have to be Batman.
He's like, and then I am saying you do have to be Batman.
But I'm saying, like, if you were the guy who held a sword and somebody fired a bullet and it split, would the kickback of the bullet throw the sword into you?
This thing was, a concrete block was holding the samurai sword.
So, you know, we talked about it on the podcast, and then, God bless the internet, somebody sent us a link of some other fucking show where they had a guy holding a sword, like a samurai swordsman, like modern-day swordsman.
Now, the other thing I watched, it was like, you know, they had the gun calibrated on a hinge and a laser scope so that it would hit exactly what they were going for.
It's just, I mean, unless we comb every inch of the earth and we give an audit on every single living creature that is in the densest of dense forests, we can't really say that.
The whole thing has been connected and separated for as long as humans have been human, right?
If we came from that area, we know that a bunch of other animals came from that area too, and they think that it's entirely possible that that big-ass monkey thing came from that area too.
I had this guy, Dr. Jordan Peterson from the University of Toronto the other day on the podcast, and he was telling me a story about how when the fall of the Soviet Union or in Russia in the 1930s and during Marxism, that they had signs, they had made signs telling people not to eat their children.
Oh, because it was made by John Russo parted ways and reached the agreement that Russo would retain the rights to the living dead suffix while Romero agreed to use of the dead in any subsequent How funny, man.
Those are the two dudes who came up with Night of the Living Dead.
So he's like, you take Living Dead and I'll take of the whatever.
Is that those things might have preyed on people and that we might have preyed on them.
And that might be also what we did to the Neanderthals.
They found Neanderthals, apparently, that had some scouring marks inside their heads.
Like we might have, like, someone in the past might have killed a Neanderthal and then ate him and broke his brain open and scooped the brains out and cooked it.
Put it in perspective when you're sitting around going like, man, the person I wanted to win the presidency didn't win the presidency.
And you're like, there was a time, dude, where you'd be eating Neanderthals brains and you'd be sitting there going, never thought I'd be here, but you'd be doing it.
Because the way they handle it in Tibet, the Himalayas, they take the body out, they score it, they chop it up into chunks, and then the vultures come in.
And they get it down to the bone, and then they smash the bones up, and then the vultures come in and they consume the bones.
Well, I don't know who killed the actual elephant.
It might have been one of those guys that just went there to kill an elephant.
But when they killed the elephant...
It's such a catch-22, but when they kill the elephant, it's very beneficial to the environment because they can pay for more of the park rangers to protect the elephants against poachers, and then the people all around the village get the meat.
The thing is, some places, elephants are endangered, but some places, the people decide there's a surplus, those elephants, because they're trampling on people's crops or eating people's stuff.
You know, automatically you say, like, hey, you should never kill elephants, for sure.
But the real problem is with some of these extremely poor people where elephants invade their crops, you can't do a goddamn thing.
And those are the people that want help, and then they hire someone to come and kill an elephant.
Well, I mean, we would all like to think that human beings and elephants live so far away from each other that it was a non-issue, and we just let the elephants survive out there in the wild and leave them the fuck alone.
The problem with that is they do live with people, and they live with people that are super poor, and they live with people that have houses that are made out of fucking hay, and they're people too.
There's a lot of it as poachers trying to steal ivory.
There's a lot of real darkness to killing elephants, no doubt about it.
And ideally, no one should ever have to kill an elephant.
But if you don't want those people to kill the elephants...
Someone's got to figure out a way to at least capture them and make it valuable to transport them to some other part of Africa where they're not going to kill this guy or trample and eat all of his crops.
Unless you don't give a fuck about the guy, and you don't care, and you say, well, that guy's going to have to starve to death because the elephant is just as important as a living organism as the guy is, which is another argument.
Well, they're not that smart, but they're smart enough to like, if I have rocks around my house, if I pick up a rock, the chickens will go towards it because they know there's bugs under it.
Well, you mean it depends on the extent of what you're finding.
There has to be...
Like some sort of consensus on what actually is a dinosaur, like how much of this belongs to the same animal, especially because you're dealing with fossilized remains.
And the problem with fossilized remains are it's not really the bone anymore.
It's like the bone disappears, it's replaced by minerals, and it makes this rock.
Right, so you can't really do DNA tests on it for the most part, so you gotta find enough of them laid out in the same way where you agree that this was this animal.
You know, and they've changed that over the, you know, time from the beginning of the first discoveries of dinosaurs to today.
But now they've been doing it for so long, they have a pretty good idea.
And then every now and then they find a new one, and they go, well, we'll check out this motherfucker.
Some people think that he was a predator, and other people think that he was a scavenger.
And one of the reasons why they think that he was a scavenger is they look at it the way his body's built.
They're like, he couldn't possibly run very fast.
He couldn't really possibly chase things down.
He's really super awkward.
But then there's other people that point to the idea that the atmosphere itself was very different back then, and it might have been much richer and thicker, and it actually might have been able to support an animal like that easier.
In terms of his size, in terms of the amount of life on the planet itself.
The animal was so large and consumed so much.
But everything was so large back then.
And everything consumed so much back then.
There were so many examples of these mega animals, right?
Like Brontosaurus and fucking Allosaurus and T-Rex and these crazy, gigantic fucking things roaming the Earth.
The speculation is that there was more richness of life.
There was more life.
And so the animals that consumed life, whether it's in the form of plants, like a brontosaurus, or in meat, like a T-Rex, they just got bigger and bigger and bigger because there was so much to consume.
There was no need to hold back their size.
Whereas if you're a chimp or if you're a human, there's only so much you can eat.
The more you eat, we've shown, The more people eat and the more prosperous their nation, the larger the people start to get, right?
And so I think that it's entirely possible that that's the case with the world back then, that the whole world was like, it just supported bigger things.
It was just more life, more green life, more animals for T-Rex to eat, and it was just this big fucking thick oxygenated soup of life.
Probably bird and lizard because today we have crocodiles, we have Komodo dragons, and we have chickens, and we have eagles.
An eagle is fucking clearly a lot like a dinosaur, right?
This crazy ass thing with swords on its fingers and death in its eyes and it swoops down and it's got the strength to catch a fucking fish in the water and pull it out.
And fly with it.
They can catch goats and pull them off the side of cliffs and watch them fall and smash on the rocks below.
Oh, the harpy eagle that swoops down and kills monkeys.
That's one of the reasons why we look up all the time, apparently.
People look up.
They have a consistent instinct to look up like you're in the forest or something like that.
You look up.
One of the main reasons is they think that there's an ancient instinct that we have to protect ourselves from flying raptors.
Because they found, you know, old hominids, like not necessarily humans, but in the human tree that had predation marks from eagles on the inside of their skulls.
It's not as prevalent, but it has happened here in California.
Picks are fucking bad news, man.
They're carriers, and that disease is insidious, and it's a tricky one, too, because it's oftentimes misdiagnosed, or especially what he was talking about, Kotler was saying that the doctors in California weren't really hip to it, because it's not common, but AIDS was more common, so that's one of the reasons why this guy...
Well, it was also...
like it was a shitty deal where the doctor wasn't get paid very much for each person that came to him.
So it wasn't very motivated.
We kind of went through the full gamut of explaining, uh, how, uh, it came to be, but yeah, misdiagnosed for a year.
How long it existed before that is anybody's guess.
I don't know.
But I do know it's also connected to other neurological disorders like Morgellons.
Morgellons is a weird one where people think they have strands of fibers growing out of their body and oftentimes they have these crazy delusions.
And what Kotler was saying was that it has a neurological effect.
He didn't have like Morgellons disease.
But one of the doctors that I interviewed about Morgellons was telling me that he believes it's connected to Lyme disease because Lyme disease has some sort of neurotoxicity effect.
It has some sort of an effect where it distorts reality.
And Kotler had a real problem.
Remember he was talking about he couldn't figure out whether a green light meant go?
Or he didn't understand how to drive anymore.
Out of nowhere all of a sudden.
And he's realizing, wow, something's really wrong.
And this neurotoxicity effect, this whatever it was doing to pollute his brain's ability to function correctly, The more gelance people think, it's also what makes you claw at your skin and think there's fibers in there and you start seeing shit.
And then they get fibers from their clothes stuck to their scabs and they think that's growing out of their body.
But it's more likely just an offshoot of Lyme.
Because apparently when you get Lyme, you're not getting one bacteria.
It's one of the reasons why the results that people have when they get bitten vary so widely.
Well, most likely the young body could probably bounce back from it better than the old body, but for a lot of people, like my friend Cody has it, he's like 26, I think, and he says his fucking joints hurt all the time, and that it's from having Lyme.
Like from that point on, like his joints are always achy.
I've not been bit by a tick, and I don't have Lyme disease, but lately I've noticed I'm 46 now, so I have noticed aging in a way that I haven't before.
My knee lately.
Doing nothing.
I'm not an active guy at all.
Has been being fucking weird.
And somebody said it's from descending a hill.
I walk every day.
Walk the dogs like a mile and a half up a hill and back down.
That's like my exercise routine.
And down the hill, they said that's what's doing it to you.
They're like, how do you walk?
And I was like, I don't like this.
And they're like, you don't do heel-toe?
And I was like...
I don't know, don't I? And they're like, no, look.
Well, the real issue is there's a big issue with shoes.
Like, the way we have constructed shoes, we've created a gate that's an unnatural, like, heel, toe, forward gate.
Like, people always used to walk on the ball of their foot because the ball of the foot acts like a shock absorber.
It allows you to slowly lower your heel down to the ground, which is why a lot of, like, those barefoot runners, they do so well.
Like, if you're running barefoot all the time, you're developing, like, these incredibly strong feet, and they're springing.
And they don't need, like, these big, thick cushions, but we, and I guess it was, like, the 1970s when Nike came out with a running shoe.
They developed that big, fat-ass heel, and then people started running on the heel.
They started bouncing on the heel instead of using the natural shock-absorbing motion You tell me a fucking shoe changed the way we walk as human beings?
So I guess maybe turn of the century or the beginning, like 1900 or something like that, there were these little girls in England that photographed themselves playing with fairies.
Years later, admitted that they had kind of cut the picture.
They admitted something that if you look at these photos, you'll be like, that had to be admitted?
Like, to us, it's very clearly she cut pictures out.
Those are pictures.
Those are two-dimensional images of fairies and pretty traditional fairy imagery.
Years later, they revealed that they traced the images out of a popular book and put their own spins on them and then cut them out and took pictures with them.
But Arthur Conan Doyle, the guy that wrote fucking Sherlock Holmes, like, really defended this shit, going, no, there are fairies.
There is another world, and it's trying to break through.
And these little girls have been in contact with it.
You know, and he was ridiculed by over half the population because...
A lot of people looked at that picture and saw what we see, which is kids with little cutouts, pictures of fairies.
But there was a time where...
Almost half the world was like, oh no, that's real.
Yeah, that could be real.
The Cottingly fairies are pictures that these kids fucking took, Joe.
But there was a time, because you had somebody like Arthur Conan Doyle going, no, this is real, and spiritualism is a real thing, and there are other races and other beings, and fairies are real.
Out there in the world defending it and stuff.
And then finally, late in their lives, when they were nearly past...
They said, yeah, we cut them out of a book.
They admitted to something that you knew right away just by looking at the photo.
If we live to be a few thousand years from now, if society goes down and then they rebuild computers a thousand years from now and they look at these old images but they don't have the capability then, yeah, totally possible.
John Carmack is one of the original owners of id Software.
He's the head programmer, lead programmer.
He created Quake and Doom and a bunch of different awesome video games.
And now he also works on Oculus Rift.
He's working on that.
Hero to the game community because he created like arguably the greatest 3d shooter of all time a series of them doom quake quake 1 quake 2 quake 3 he In his spare time made rockets in his spare time.
He was a rocket scientist So he was he was coding the most complicated 3d graphics engines known to man for video games right then in his spare times He's making rockets.
He's a fucking rocket scientist for fun.
Then, he would take Ferraris and turbocharge them.
So he'd get these Ferraris, because he's got ungodly sums of money for making all these fucking crazy video games that have sold kabillions of copies, right?
He's buying Ferraris and re-engineering their fucking engines.
There was an argument by an economist, like a really well-respected economist, for universal basic income.
And I think the number they were going by was $12,000 a year.
Surprisingly supports universal basic income just Google that and because there was some Pretty prominent economist who actually understands the system, except for you and I. They're like, oh, I got enough money.
He's advanced in age at this point, but that mind is sharp as a tack.
And it's one of those minds you can be like, there's going to be a loss to lose that mind.
He's thinking about things that a lot of others aren't.
And his thing that spooked me big deal was...
He said right now the whole world should be focused on the Russian front, on Russia and the Russian front, because that's where your hot spot of activities like the United States and Russia have come into conflict recently in a way that they haven't since the Cold War.
And he's going, and now you're talking about two superpowers with the ability to destroy the planet.
Shit that we haven't really thought about since the fucking 80s.
And all of a sudden you're like, oh, is that what they meant by make America great again?
Like, let's be scared of the possible nuclear annihilation?
Because I hadn't thought about that in years, I'll be honest with you.
The problem is, if you say they did it, you gotta know for sure they did it.
Otherwise, I'm gonna listen to you every time you say you know something for sure, and I'm like, this bitch definitely doesn't know for sure.
You can't know for sure, because you don't have the information.
If you did, you'd tell us what it was.
Like, you don't know.
And the FBI doesn't say they know, and the CIA doesn't say they know.
There's a likelihood, there's a possibility, there's a high probability, but you don't know.
So until you know, you can't say you know.
Because as soon as you do, because you might be full of shit about other things.
You might...
You know, you might fill in the blank on a bunch of other important stuff and pretend you know when you don't know, because that's what you're doing.
And I think that's another thing as a civilization.
We can't allow that.
We can't allow that.
Like in Donald Trump, when he keeps talking about these millions of voters that illegally voted and kept him from winning the popular vote, you can't say that.
Like, it doesn't matter what used to be, and there is no more you can't because of things like that, where you're like, well, you couldn't, but he did, and everything worked out fine.
If you really want to say that you're so noble or you're so powerful or wise, whatever you are, whatever your attributes are, you're so awesome that you should be the president?
Man, you can't be lying about illegal voters.
Unless you have some data, you can't say it.
Until you have some data, you can't say it.
And once you say it, you've got to have some data.
Someone's saying that the Russians hacked the Democratic National Conference or committee or whatever the fuck it is, DNC. Are you sure?
That's the same thing.
Saying that.
Whether they're little tiny lies or whether they're leaps of faith or leaps of judgment or whether they're just full fabrications, you can't do any of them.
Like, if anybody catches you, like, if you're in big government and, you know, there's a video of the FBI saying one thing and then you saying another thing.
When the FBI told me this and the FBI saying explicitly what they told you and those things don't match.
He was some theorized, I've read, that he kind of jumped on to the birther movement because he was like, well, if I ingratiate myself with this crowd, that'll be helpful if I want to run for president in a couple of years.
And I don't want to, you know, paint it cynically.
Like, this country has been here for a while, probably be here for a lot longer than our petty issues with it in the moment, if we have issues with it.
But...
I just, you know, it became a different world in the span of six months.
Like, you know, in a way where, you know, I thought I had this down.
Like, I think about this.
Whenever I was in school, you'd read like your history books and you'd be like, how come they didn't stop this?
Why didn't they know this was going on?
Like, what the...
Are you serious?
Like, I'm sitting here as a child reading this, and I know that this is wrong.
Why didn't someone step in?
Why didn't blah, blah, blah?
I remember going to Germany the first time with Clerks.
I went to the Berlin Film Festival.
And before screening, me and my friend Brian Johnson, we were like, well, let's go see a concentration camp.
We're here.
We should go see a concentration camp.
And they're like, dude, you've got to introduce a comedy in three hours.
You really don't want to do that.
I was like, no, I'll compartmentalize.
I was like, let me...
I'm here.
I've got to see history.
And so, you know, we went to Buchenwald?
The one that says, albeit mocked Fry over it, work will make you free, like the worst fucking lie.
And it's, you know, obviously fucking sobering and horrible.
And, you know, you're seeing the dimensions and spaces where things happened and whatnot.
And you can't help but turn to the guy who was our cab driver who drove us for Berlin, which was like 40 minutes out of Berlin, maybe an hour out of Berlin, and then drove us back.
And, you know, he was waiting with us while we were there, so he went through the concentration camp.
He was born and raised in Germany, so I'm sure he's had to do this a number of times with school or something like that.
All I'm saying is, like, there are moments in history where, you know, I thought we were kind of past it.
History happens all the time.
You know, obviously September 11th is a very big historical moment in our lifetime.
But I really felt like, well, you know, until like World War III, we're probably done with history for a little bit, which is a ridiculous fucking statement.
But now I feel like we are living in a chapter in a history book.
Some kid in the future is going to be looking at this chapter and being like...
Really?
Like, they didn't know?
That's what they did?
And I'm not saying again, like, I expect horrible things from this guy or anything.
I'm just saying the world is vastly changed in a way that it's going to be recognized now, and it'll be recognized when they write the book on this year, and when they write the book on this year for years to come.
Suddenly we're kind of in that moment as well.
But then again...
We probably were always in a moment of history.
And I don't even mean in a stoner way, like, this is a moment of history, and this is a moment of history.
But history's not always that loud and noticeable.
Sometimes it's quiet, and they don't notice it until later on.
Culturally, it felt like, because I was just having this discussion with somebody else, but in the 70s, 60s into the 70s, you had this kind of Progressive, growing America where suddenly, you know, maybe there wasn't as much segregation and, you know, people were kind of developing, evolving and becoming more like the world we recognize now.
And it felt like, you know, like by showing you stuff like All in the Family and whatnot, You know, arts tries to push the edge of the envelope at all times.
Try to put normalcy into something that, you know, a situation that you maybe don't find normal.
But if you see it on TV enough, you're like, hey, I'm over it.
And suddenly it's for real and stuff like that.
It felt like, you know, the 80s and Reagan, and again, I'm not a political creature by any stretch of the imagination.
I lived through it, but I was not active during it by any stretch of the imagination.
But it feels like that time was a reaction to the culture.
Like, hey, things have gotten too loosey-goosey around here.
And then things got conservative for eight years or maybe.
And then it feels like things loosen up.
I mean, again, I'm no political analyst, but it just seems like if you look over your history...
It contracts and it expands.
It contracts and it expands.
But the contractions don't seem to bring it back to square one.
You know, it may be a matter of two steps forward, one step back.
Two steps forward, one step back.
And if you do that enough over the course of a nation, there's growth and you'll see the balance.
But you've got a bunch of people that don't believe in the same...
Don't even see the world through the same prism.
So it just feels like, I don't know, I mean, maybe the idea, and again, a couple stoners talk about how to do the presidency better.
Maybe you just have an agreement where it's like eight years of this, eight years of that, and that's only if it's a two-party system.
Like, what if you come up with a four-party system and you're like, okay, you only get four years, and then it goes to this party right after, then this party, this party.
If you look at the ballot, a lot of other people wanted to run for president, right?
Like Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, and I'm sure there were a bunch of other ones that we don't know.
Yeah, there was Zoltan Istvan, who's the...
He's the transcendent or transhumanist party.
There's like a lot of people ran, but that's...
The system is just so old.
It's just so goddamn ancient.
We're trying to patch up this thing that we would never create today.
If it existed today, there's no way we would ever let one person have all the fucking power.
I just think that human beings are in a process of waking up and of realizing how bizarre our position is.
I mean, and not just our position in America, but our position on the planet Earth as it hurls through infinity.
We're on a spinning ball that's floating in the sky and hurling towards the cosmos or through the cosmos.
We tend not to focus on that.
That alone is insane.
And we're concentrating on whether or not gay people should be able to marry or girls should be able to get abortions or whether or not Black Lives Matter.
We're fucking hurling through infinity.
This slow process of realization coincides with the innovation that you're seeing from all these different new technology companies that are coming up with better and better ways to communicate, whether it's cellular or fucking video or whether they're using Snapchat or virtual reality rooms where they can all meet in.
And it's going to keep going and going and going and going and going and going until we're in some sort of a matrix-like world.
I think it's entirely possible we're going to create a new form of life, some new artificial form of life, and that thing is going to be what goes on from now.
We're going to merge with that somehow.
We're going to find out that they can give you new eyes when your eyes go bad, and these eyes allow you to look at navigation screens and Google things, and you're going to be able to stare straight at the sun.
It's inevitable that we're going to improve upon the human body.
They're already replacing people's hips and shoulders and knees.
They're growing fucking hearts in a laboratory with stem cells that actually beat.
You and I have been sitting here talking for a little while, and normally when you're in the world, you've got that device in your hand.
I've noticed that my wife says that all the time.
She's...
It's like, you're never separated from that phone.
Like, I get up from the side of the bed, I pick it up and go to the bathroom because I'm like, well, I might want to play a game or I might want to look up some information.
Like, there seems to be a human need for data at all times now.
We've trained ourselves to have data at our fingertips.
We no longer sit there and go, what is that person's name?
So a lot of our thinking has been pushed off to technology that we've created so we feel comfortable with it, going like, well, you know, we're smarter than that.
I say, sure, give me X amount of Bitcoin and you send it to my phone.
All right, cool, we got a deal.
And then you're done.
And this idea, I mean, if you could get to the point where you're talking to your phone and you tell your phone to order you a pizza and pay for it in Bitcoin and it's doing everything digitally and it's Bitcoin or Bitcoin?
But now, you can legitimately get a full college education online.
Plus, you can read a million different papers on all sorts of different things, especially if you want to pay for them, on all sorts of different studies.
You could almost never run out of things to absorb, almost never run out of information.
And I think that that's the one thing that technology seems to be embracing, is closing the gap between people and data, closing the gap between people and information.
Well, eventually, that money is going to be the only bottleneck.
To read in each other's minds.
What money is, if it's Bitcoin or if it's digital, it's a one and a zero.
It's just a code.
So what's to stop me from getting into that code?
How come I can't get that code?
Well, that's somebody else's.
Oh, okay.
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
Is it information?
What is it?
Can I get it?
Can I copy it?
No, if you copy it, it's no good.
Oh, okay.
So it's a finite resource.
Well, that's fucking ridiculous.
Because it's not.
We're not talking about oil or water or rocks or minerals or metals.
We're talking about some goofy fucking numbers that you've got on a goddamn commuter.
It's information.
It allows us access to resources.
We should all have access to all the information.
And then it's going to be some weird merging of digital minds, some sort of a hive mind system created by something like Google or some company that figures out a way to allow people to communicate thought to thought, and it's going to have Money attached to it.
All of it.
It's going to be a big fucking soup of information.
There's not enough because everywhere else, like hacking has exponentially increased over the course of the last few years by double the amount that it was.
And that's why you're seeing things like, they took down Sony.
No, you've unplugged and gone off the grid before anybody else.
You've thought about things that most people don't think.
You have big thinks.
You don't just smoke and be like, damn it, life's good.
You smoke and go deep on the big think, on stuff that, like...
Like you pointed out, very few people do, it's usually stoners, that the big issues are, that we all think of the big issues, are nothing compared to like, you do recall, we're hurtling through space on a fucking rock.
So you do the big thing on everything beyond the obvious, beyond the temporal or the daily.
You're going like, what's next?
What happens?
Ten years from now.
What happens to us?
Not just, hey, what happens to me?
Because that's very human nature to be like, what happens to me?
But your thing is, what happens to us as a species?
You're a thinker and a seeker.
That's what I always like about you, man.
You're not content to just be like, I think I know everything there is pretty much to know that I'm interested in the rest I'm really not interested in.
You refill all the time.
I met a priest once when I was a kid.
And he said, not when I was a kid, but I was like a grown-ass man.
I was 20-something.
It was before I wrote Dogma.
It was when I went out to film school in like 92 in Vancouver.
And I was in Washington State.
My uncle lived in Federal Way.
And so I was like, you know what?
I'm going to go to my uncle's and then go up from there.
He can drive me up, drop my shit off and stuff.
And I never really left my side of the world, let alone fucking New Jersey and stuff.
So, at one point, I was still struggling.
It was the end of my Catholicism as I knew it in childhood.
I just believe everything.
They tell me and stuff.
So I was having some troubles with it, and I went into...
I was walking around, and I wouldn't call myself an emo kid, but, like, I still was raised in it.
When you believe something from the moment you're born, like, you know, all the tenets of the Catholic faith...
I was an altar boy, even, for heaven's sakes.
When that moment comes, it's almost like the adult version of when your parents are like, there is no Santa Claus.
Where suddenly you're like, what?
You fucking upended my entire existence.
So I was going through that.
And I'm age 22 at this point.
Should have gone through it in high school, but I held on to mine a lot longer.
So I walked into this church.
And I sat down, and a priest came by eventually, a younger priest.
He's like, can I help you?
And I was like, oh, I'm just having a crisis of faith and just sitting here and praying and meditating on it and stuff.
And he goes, come in the office, we'll talk.
And I went into his office, and he was like, what's the issue?
And I was like, I believed in this shit so much when I was a kid.
Like, it wasn't even a matter of belief.
This was the truth.
I said, but now I'm of this mind that, like, you know what, we follow this Bible and it's supposed to be the Word of God, but, like, thousands of years ago, there were a bunch of people that followed a bunch of other books that said there were multiple gods, and now we read those books and go, isn't that fucking quaint?
These fuckers thought there were twelve gods, one for each thing that ever happened in the day.
I said, I'm afraid one day that they're going to turn around and say the same thing about our book.
I just don't believe like I believed when I was a kid.
And the priest said something really smart.
I stuck it in the movie.
It was so smart.
He said, well, he's going, when you're a little kid, think of yourself as a small glass.
You're very easy to fill up.
People put liquid in you, you're done.
It's easy to top off a small glass.
He's going, the older you get, the glass gets bigger.
You can't expect the same amount of liquid that filled that small glass to fill the big glass.
And I was like, what do you mean?
He's like, periodically you gotta refill the glass.
Now he was talking about faith and shit, but that goes for anything.
Even goes for intellectual pursuits or just the person who's the seeker, who's not content to just be like, I see it all as it is and I think I understand it now.
You always understand there's more to understand and you go looking for the, not just like, hey, that's kind of fucked up and interesting, but what's really ultimately important.
If you scrape away all the stuff that we kind of concern ourselves with, the shit you think about, like, you know, and again, this is just from fucking listening to some podcast and mostly looking at your Instagram thread.
Is shit that's, like, useful if it all went away.
And it's not just like, you know, I know how to live off the land and stuff.
You're thinking big think about where the mind goes.
You know, like, most people look like you, strong and shit like that.
Don't fucking think nearly as much as you think.
I know that's a stereotype, but it's true.
You can't develop one set of muscles and concentrate on another.
Generally speaking, you either concentrate on building your brain, building your body.
He became obsessed with jiu-jitsu and now has a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt under Marcelo Garcia, like one of the most respected Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioners of the last couple decades.
Well, you don't have to see a UFC match, because this is probably something more interesting for you to watch, because no one got hurt.
Even though it looks like the guy is dead, he actually is just...
The blood stops the brain, and then he lets it go, and the guy is instantaneously back.
It's not like a knockout.
You don't suffer brain damage.
Here's the scramble.
Marcello takes his back, and he holds onto the choke, and Shaolin tries to squirm out of it, but he locks in the choke, and now Shaolin's trying to fight gallantly, but he goes to sleep.
He's out cold here, and the referee stops it.
As soon as they realize, now he's out cold.
So Marcello gets off of him and walks away, and Shaolin wakes up just a second later.
Well, the thing about jiu-jitsu, though, is those moments happen a lot.
So, like, if you go to a jiu-jitsu class, it's very likely you might get choked out three, four times by one person.
Like, if you roll with some guy who's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt and you're, like, a blue belt, pretty likely he's going to get you at least a couple times while you roll with him, unless you're, like, really agile and really good at defending yourself.
Especially if they're not resisting, like if they're hurt already and they're relaxed, you could just put them to sleep.
If someone gets hit first and then they get choked and they don't defend it quickly enough, like if they're out of it and then they get choked, they just go to sleep.
Like, you know, I saw her when I went up to Vancouver to shoot an episode of The Flash.
I went, and I was like, holy shit.
And there's a part of me, of course, I'm not a big country guy, but my old man loved country and western.
Even though we came from New Jersey, and we weren't even from, like, southern Jersey.
We were from central Jersey.
He loved country and western.
I hated it growing up.
And he's now dead for, like, 12, 13 years.
And naturally, the older one gets...
You hear that music, it takes you not to the present, but right back to your childhood.
So lately, even though I've never been a country person, I find more country leaking into my life and it has everything to do with my father or something like that.
So I went to see this show and it was like, I might as well have taken my dad with me.
He's been dead so long, but like...
That was his dream show.
He loved Dolly Parton.
He's a big country music fan in general, but he loved Dolly Parton.
So I went to see the show the first time because I was like, I got nothing to do.
Let's go.
And then I was blown away by her showmanship.
And a storyteller as well.
She doesn't just sit there and play the music between songs.
She'll sit there and tell you a story about growing up in the Rocky Mountains.
She's fucking funny, dude.
I know she's got patterns she's probably been doing for years, but she talks about...
She's like, when I was a little girl, we went into town and they grew up fucking poor and she's one of 13 children or something like that.
And she's like, I saw this woman, this beautiful woman.
And, you know, she was painted like an angel.
And she had pretty clothes and real big pretty hair.
She's wearing heels and a lot of makeup.
And I said, Mom, who's that?
And her mom's like, that's the town trope.
That girl is nothing but trash.
And she goes, and I said, that's what I want to be when I grow up.
So that's why she's got the look she's got.
She's like, it costs a lot of money to look this cheap.
I saw her at the Hollywood Bowl a month ago, and then I took Mom to see her in Tampa.
And that was more like, hey, Dad would love this.
But she had this weird moment where she met Dolly and you're talking about two 70-year-old women.
And my mom went in for a fucking kiss.
Not like, I want to French you, but just like the way you would kiss a friend.
And then you could see Dolly, who's had to politically maneuver strangers for 50 years or so, figure out, do I say, hey, I don't kiss strangers, or do I just hug her?
Everybody's mother is a very singular individual, but mom had this thing I was trying to figure out.
I was like, when did this person die?
I think we were talking about my Aunt Barbara.
I was like, when did Aunt Barbara die?
And my mom's like, oh, hold on.
And she had this thing when we were kids.
She'd get a calendar from church and she wouldn't write on it your birthday or a relative's birthday.
She'd write the day that they died.
So this day was the day Uncle Andy died.
This day Aunt Connie died.
So my mom keeps all that information.
So she goes, hold on.
She comes out with a box of Like funeral mass cards.
Like when somebody dies, you go to a funeral, there's a little trading card that has a picture of a saint and on the back has a person's name and when they were born and when they were dead.
My mom has like a collection, the way you would collect baseball cards and shit.
And we spread them all out on the table.
There's 12 significant deaths in our family.
She had lots more, but the ones that would matter to both me and her in our immediate zone of family.
And between 12 deaths, I was able to quiz my mother, like, who died in 1980?
And she was like, oh, that was Grandpa Smith.
Like, she is, my mom's obsessed with death, but not in a, like, death is metal.
When she was a child in Catholic school, they tried to explain hell to her, you know, like, as you do in Catholic school.
And she was fucking far too young to get the idea, so death has been her obsession her whole life.
Staving it off.
Stopping it from like taking not just her her but her family you know she lost her husband to it we all death is just a natural part of the process you're freaking me out man my mom finds it like she's terrified by it now I as a creative person and I wonder if you feel the same way and I fancy myself a creative person some people like you're not very creative but I fancy myself a creative person no caveats death To me, it's not scary as much as a repugnant idea, where you're like, what?
Stop all this?
I'm just getting the hang of it.
I'm just learning.
I've got so many more jokes to tell and shit like that.
Death to people who make stuff like us, and that's why you might be the exception, because you deal with death on a regular basis with hunting and shit like that.
It's just something that probably enters your purview far more than mine.
But it is one of those things, man, where you're like, wow, I hadn't really thought about that too often.
But she thinks about it often.
When I think of death, I'm irritated by it because it's unfair.
Like, why?
But I imagine if I was my grandmother.
My grandmother lost her sight 12, 14 years before she died.
And I loved hanging out with her.
I used to play cards with her and shit like that.
And then when she lost her sight, she was no longer interested in living.
So she would sit around and be like, how are you, Graham?
You go visit her.
She'd be sitting in the dark and shit.
Listen to her radio, maybe.
No longer crocheting like she used to do.
We used to play cards.
She couldn't do any of that shit.
So she just sat there.
And he'd be like, how are you?
And she'd be like, well...
I asked him to take me and he said he didn't answer, still not today.
And I was like, who, Graham?
She's like, Jesus.
Every day I pray that he finally take me and I'm still here.
She slowly grew to be bitter about life and shit.
Now, from where I sit right now, I'm the guy that's like, I never want this party to end.
Oh, shit.
But I guess there could be a time in my life where, you know, everyone you know and love has passed and you just get to a place where you're like, you know what, I'm okay.
Like, who was it?
The singer that just passed was the guy that sang Hallelujah.
Leonard Cohen.
I was going to say Lawrence Cohen.
Leonard Cohen did an interview before he passed, like five months, five weeks maybe before he passed, where he was like, yeah, I'm ready for death.
He's going, I've pretty much done everything I've wanted to do, and I'm ready for it.
And he went fairly shortly thereafter.
Grandma didn't, man.
She hung on for a while, but wanted to die.
I hope I'm never that person.
But, you know, what if I'm...
Something happens to me and I can't move or something.
If you're eating elk again, it's not a one-time experience where you're like, I've eaten elk when I was 14, and of course, that's when a man eats elk and never again.
As a matter of fact, PETA developed a whole campaign to try to get people to stop eating chicken eggs by calling it a menstrual cycle and also showing a fucking frying pan with a bloody maxi pad sitting in the frying pan.
What's gross is having all these chickens packed and stacked into these horrific cages and warehouses.
That's what's gross.
What's not gross is a chicken living in a chicken house that occasionally lays an egg, and when they lay an egg, then they just wander off, and they just wander around the yard and peck at grass and do chicken stuff.
If a chicken is living in a healthy environment, they're not even scared of you.
We have these fun conversations, but I think we spend so much time complimenting each other because we like it because we don't have to be like, then we can get deep.