Joe Rogan and Duncan Trussell debate Apple’s 2016 emoji shift—replacing pistols with water guns—and meme absurdity like "When You Nut But She Keeps Sucking," before diving into plant consciousness (Radiolab’s findings) and Hindu philosophy’s Web of Indra. They contrast human tribalism—whale hunting, colonial brutality—with systemic corruption: the DNC’s 2016 Bernie Sanders sabotage, Clinton’s $21M speaking fees, and Lynch’s tarmac meetings. Trussell warns manipulated democracy risks collapse, while Rogan questions free will via cases like Ed Gein or the Donner Party cannibalism. VR’s sensory detachment, psychedelics (DMT, ayahuasca), and the Fermi Paradox suggest advanced civilizations may prioritize inner exploration over physical expansion, leaving Rogan eager to test VR in a float tank—hinting at consciousness’s fluid, interconnected nature beyond biology or politics. [Automatically generated summary]
It's time to really talk about using these gun gestures because honestly, I know it's not really hurting anybody, but we have to pay respect to the people who have lost their lives from these terrible weapons.
I'll tell you, man, every time I looked at that old pistol emoji, and this is no joke, when I used to look at it, it just filled me with a desire to go shoot up a fucking shopping mall, that emoji.
Do you think by limiting, like, by keeping it more open-ended, right?
Like, instead of having a bunch of, like, descriptives, nouns and verbs and things like that, instead of that, having more of an open-ended idea, like a smiley face.
Yeah, but it's not it's not written anywhere Yeah, and it relieves you of having to like compose some sentence.
Do I use an exclamation mark here?
Should I use a comma?
What do I need to say?
I just want to go I'm gonna see him in like 20 minutes It's way easier to do like an alien head a thumbs up and a smiley face that says everything It's fun, too.
Who, like, it's so funny, when he died, he guaranteed did not think he would land in a, when you nut and she could keep sucking meme, that the power of his death, that he would shatter into a million things, and one of them is a meme.
What's really sad is everyone knows what that means.
Someone just tweeted that there's a product in the UK That stole Mitch Hedberg's joke.
It's a rice product that has just written in the back his joke, like when you want to eat rice, when you want to eat 2,000 of the same things or whatever.
They just popped that right on the back, but they didn't credit him.
They credited the name of their mascot for the company.
But if we spend too much time getting caught up in meme distribution, then we're gonna lose what is so beautiful about the thing, which is that I create some meme, upload it to the internet, and it either like just molders on Imgur or whatever, or It just scatters in a trillion pieces everywhere.
There's something really cool and beautiful in that.
And I don't think meme transmitters are thieves, mostly.
There's just a few scumbags who take people's shit and don't credit them, and then they get punished.
Usually they get punished by the internet, and severely.
There have been a bunch of people that have done it and they're now making money off of it.
That's where it gets weird.
Because there's a bunch of people that are just really funny and maybe they're introverts and they never were really good at cracking jokes socially because they're nervous, but they're funny.
They have a funny mind.
And so this is a form of joke writing and joke telling.
A really good one, too.
So somebody had to be the first person to come up with when she, you know, when you come, but she keeps sucking.
So this is like this massive plagiarism that we're all laughing at.
I mean, every single word that a human being uses, theoretically, you could follow it backwards through time in the same way you follow any organic life form.
It's called etymology.
You can look at the weird way that language mutates over time, and you know that somewhere way, way back in the back of the line, there had to be somebody who's like, We'll call it a mountain, or whatever the precursor term for mountain was.
Isn't that the idea that at one point in time we all had a universal language, but it became a giant issue because people were sort of conspiring And they were talking too much.
Like do you think that someone who maybe has experienced like brief moments of human potential and realized like we're missing out on what people are capable of.
There's got to be a way where we could all come together.
But when there's people from one country, like Japan, and they're arguing with someone from Germany, and how much of what the fuck each person is saying is even getting through?
One thing that I just did, I'm so glad you brought this up, just for fun.
One of my favorite in the New Testament, my favorite gospels, the book of John, and the very beginning of the book of John is some of the trippiest shit you'll ever read.
I went back to that, and so I did a find and replace.
Anyone can do this.
It's so cool.
Find and replace the word God with the programmer, and then you can start replacing words with modern-day simulation theory ideas.
So, you know, when it talks about Jesus It's like he was sent into the simulation to bring an upgrade and those that accepted the upgrade would be children of the programmer.
You start doing that and suddenly you look at this like amazing, it gets really trippy, right?
So when you talk about the Tower of Babel and you look at it from the perspective of this is a simulation being run by some intelligent creator force, right?
So you see again and again, well not again and again, but right now I can think of two times where the programmer looks at the simulations like, oh shit, they're about to wake up.
Like the same way that Elon Musk is worried about AI becoming too powerful.
In the Bible, the programmer gets really fucking uncomfortable when the simulation appears to be gaining too much power and has to like shift the programming a little bit because there appears to be some kind of In the mythology of the Bible, there seems to be a recurring nervousness that the programmer gets when it seems like the simulation is about to reach some certain level of power or awareness.
In the book of Genesis, they say, you know, they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, gained self-awareness, and there was another tree they weren't supposed to eat from, the tree of life.
And God says, it's weird because in the Quran and in the In the Bible, it's referred to as the plural rather than the singular, so God doesn't – the verse is something like, you know, if they eat from the tree of life, they will become like us, right?
Not like me, like us.
So there's like, we can't keep these – we have to keep these beings Somewhat curtailed because we don't know what they're going to do if they gain too much power.
That's in the mythology of the thing.
And it kind of works from the simulation theory perspective.
If we're a simulation that's on the precipice of a kind of singularity, which would be the simulation somehow becoming self-aware, then for whatever reason, whoever's running the show doesn't want that to happen or hasn't wanted it to happen throughout time, you know?
I mean, that's kind of, if you're translating stuff from ancient Hebrew, To Greek, to Latin, to all these different languages, to English, you know that there's some weird shit being lost along the way.
Because we didn't even know there's a fucking amazing Radiolab out that's out right now.
It's about trees and the intelligence of trees and that trees communicate and that they share resources and that they allocate resources toward the needier ones.
They have this interaction with fungus, this symbiotic relationship with fungus.
It is fucking incredible, man, where the fungus are eating these microscopic bugs and getting their nutrients from these microscopic bugs, and that's where the trees are getting their nutrients from, and some of them get them from salmon.
There's trees that were like, they got 70% of their nitrogen from salmon because bears would eat under these trees.
They would eat and they would leave fish heads under the trees, and the bears would continue to return to these same trees, and these trees would eat the fucking fish.
The fungus inside their soil, the mycorrhizal relationship that they have, it's amazing, man.
I understand that you're doing it for a good reason.
You're doing it for the right purposes.
And I'm happy for everybody that is living their life that way.
If you're enjoying it and you're healthy, let's all just let that go.
Just look at this for a second.
Forget about what you're eating.
What plants are is some strange, intelligent network of organisms.
And when I say intelligent, I don't say it can fucking do math.
I'm not saying it can send emails and create...
Fucking moon rockets, but they communicate with each other.
There's something going on.
They don't need to do all those other things.
We defined intelligence far too frequently by what we have created and what we can do with our fingers and with our mouths and with our ability to communicate with each other audibly.
In a manner where I'm talking and you're hearing.
And we don't respect other forms of communication because of this.
We're so attached to our idea of what communicating is.
We're ignoring some really basic shit with how these plants and these fungi communicate with each other.
They're not just communicating with each other, they're sending signals.
If one of them is getting eaten, they're sending signals through the air, and it's forcing the other plants to change the way they taste to discourage predation.
And also because you were saying, well, they can't send emails.
But if you look at, I mean, you separated the human biome somehow from the plant kingdom, which you can't do.
We're completely connected to the plant kingdom because we...
Need oxygen to live.
So we are deeply, deeply woven into that fabric of intelligence that you're talking about to the point that we actually kind of grow out of that fabric of intelligence because we have a symbiotic relationship with plants just to exist on planet Earth.
So you're talking about what is called Have you heard of the Web of Indra?
So the idea is that a way to explain the sort of interconnectedness of all things is this like, imagine like a web or a net where at every single nexus point there is a jewel.
The jeweled net of Indra, that's what it's called.
Every creature on earth or in this universe that has any kind of sentience at all composes a tiny little jewel on this net.
And so this net is every jewel is connected via like whatever connects us to plants.
Everything is connected that's alive, which means that any slight Movement in any of these jewels creates a vibration that rolls through infinity, through the entire net of Indra, affecting all other sentient beings in some small way.
It's basically the idea is, there it is, the jeweled net of Indra.
So anything that you do, it gets sort of vibrated through the rest of the thing.
Anything that happens in the micro happens in the macro.
Macro happens in the micro.
It's a beautiful idea, man.
And it seems like this new discovery that's come out about plants has in some way really shone a light on the complexity of that Incredible net, you know, because it's so complex because then it gets down to probably the quantum level, too.
I mean, if you think of the quantum reactions happening inside the plants to create these biochemical shifts, it's startling when you imagine all the weird chemical and atomic movement that's happening inside of the thing itself.
It's overwhelmingly beautiful and hard to imagine that we get to be a piece of it, which is pretty cool.
But the plants are sending email, you know, because we are the plants.
The plants are us.
The plants are affecting...
Remember McKenna always talked about exo pheromones?
Remember that?
Exo pheromones.
He'd say that plants have pheromones that they put out, like what you're saying, to discourage predation, bring in bees.
I like that I said predation, like I'm smart, but it's a great word.
So he would say that psychedelics, marijuana, DMT, these are exo pheromones from the vegetable world.
I can't do a McKenna impression.
But these are exopheromones coming into our biome and shifting our consciousness in a way to try to manipulate our behavior a little bit.
And also, you know, all the stuff coming out of the gut biome, too.
Like, not only is there this flourishing vegetable kingdom that is, like, clearly alive and has its own alien intelligence, but we've got fucking...
These gut biomes filled with these bacteria that could theoretically be controlling our cravings, right?
So we're being manipulated by these colonies of alien beings living in our guts, telling us, get another fucking candy bar, man.
And it is going to create some fucking hilarious earthquakes in a lot of different relationships and marriages because people are going to have to define whether or not Fucking a hologram is a form of infidelity.
Like you're gonna have to make a rule for that in your relationship.
Is it okay to fuck a hologram?
Not alive, not a person, but looks like it's fucking you.
Yeah, it's pretty weird because your brain, when a hologram is looking at you in the eyes in a loving way, your brain doesn't reject it.
It's like, oh wow, I think this girl really likes me.
Oh wait, it's a hologram.
But in one millisecond, you get this feeling of like...
Strange connection which is and again we're in the most rudimentary parts of VR only apparently only I just read this it might have been a dated article but only a hundred thousand people or so own an HTC Vive if that's drastically off you guys I'm sorry but not a lot of people have VR goggles right now so not a lot of people and there's a lot of us who are fucking Ear-beating people at parties who clearly just don't want to hear about it any more than you want to hear about someone
talking about a dream.
But there's a huge group of people right now that are having some of the most psychedelic, mind-bending experiences through technology, and they can't even talk about it or describe it to people, because when you describe it, it's like you're talking about a dream.
But you're like, no, this is happening to a lot of us right now.
We're going into alternate dimensions via technology and hanging out there, enjoying it, experiencing the freedom from the confines of being Constantly, infinitely located in whatever physical space your body happens to be inhabiting.
To suddenly remove that weight, so now I can pop these things on and instantly translocate to some art universe that some geniuses created.
Fuck around, shoot arrows, wander through Minecraft.
Have sex with two girls who I was apparently going to throw out of my house if they didn't fuck me.
That's what the porn is I have.
Which, by the way, I'd never do that, but in this universe, I guess that's what I did.
Because the girl's so beautiful, and she's so attractive.
That guy, you could see, as much as he knew that she was a robot, as much as he knew that he wasn't a robot, as much as he knew that she was artificial, he was in love with her.
And she was amazing.
And it seemed like she cared about him.
And when she was talking to him for real, like when the lights went out and the camera was down, spoiler alert, and she was like, don't trust him.
I'm like, this is like a real person.
It's a real person.
She's thinking like a person.
It's a person.
And he's like completely locked into this idea that it's a person.
I mean, this whole distinction between artificial intelligence and intelligence is the same as the distinction between virtual reality and reality.
It's just like another human attempt to be in control of something.
You want to say, oh, I'll tell you if this is fucking reality or not.
Oh, this is virtual reality.
This isn't reality reality, but it's like, oh, really?
So reality is compartmentalized into places where there's, if something is created by a human, oh, no, that's not real reality, even though humans are reality.
Reality is reality.
Intelligence is intelligence, because the intelligence is inhabiting something that isn't the human vessel.
It goes back to what we were talking about earlier.
Yeah, and again, I think it goes back to what we were talking about earlier, that we try to define intelligence by our own measures, like the ability to write something down, the ability to move.
How about that?
We have that inexorably connected to intelligence.
You have to be able to move to show me your thinking and communicate it.
What this woman was saying, a scientist on this Radiolab podcast, is that she goes, I don't want to say She's like, it's hard to say if they're intelligent.
But what's going on is their network closely resembles a brain.
The way it looks and also the way it's operating.
It has neuron-like responses.
There's data being passed back and forth that we're just, not we, not you, not me for sure, We're not doing any research, but these people, we are someone, I'm saying we as in humans, they're just figuring this out really recently.
I think everything has a conscience, or a consciousness rather.
I think everything that you eat, and I think that Obviously, plants, for the most part, are way less violent than animals.
When you're taking in plants, it seems to make sense that it would be a more peaceful existence, the way you think about it.
Well, it's just, I think people are trying to, like, move away from the system that requires the violence.
And, like, a part of that, the idea of that, is to eat plants.
Because, like, even if you're eating a life form...
You're less involved in violent activity.
Like, if you're eating meat, you're involved in violent activity, right?
In some way.
Even fish.
You're involved in some sort of violent activity.
Those fish have to be...
They don't just instantaneously die.
They gotta be yanked into another dimension, beat over the head with wooden clubs, thrown into ice chests where they'll flop and gasp for air until they finally go still.
Man, you know, it is one thing that all this indicates is how there's so much compassion inside of human beings.
Because whether you eat meat or whether you eat a vegetarian diet, if you're thinking about this, it's really cool.
That's one of the cool things about us is that we have this sense of like, man...
This does seem to be a violent thing that I'm doing here.
I know this thing I'm eating has suffered to some degree that I would never want anyone I know to suffer, or myself.
So, there's compassion there, man, and we want to live in a world where we don't Hurt things.
And if you do want to live in a world where you hurt things, well, then you're probably in a lot of pain yourself, right?
Man, this is the fucking Bhagavad Gita, because the Bhagavad Gita starts with a warrior, Arjun, looking out on this...
This fucking massive army and saying to God, the charioteer, I see my friends here.
I see fathers and teachers and men that I respect.
By killing them, don't I... Destroy my own soul.
Wouldn't it be better to go off into the forest and live as a renunciate than to gain all the wealth in the world, but to have the blood of my teachers on my hands?
And this is the beginning of the Bhagavad Gita.
And you would think, because it's one of Gandhi's favorite books, That the response would be, you're right.
Let's not kill.
Let's not fight.
We're gonna go in the woods.
But the response, God says, you speak words of wisdom, but you do not understand.
That's the beginning of the Bhagavad Gita.
That's where it starts, is here's why you fight.
Here's why you have to kill sometimes.
Here's why there is action in the universe that will result in pain and suffering.
And this, uh...
To me, the best answer to all of this is when Krishna reveals his universal form, he becomes this monstrous thing, and Arjuna is describing what he's seeing, and this is the Oppenheimer quote.
And Arjuna is saying, I see in your teeth The limbs of all humans being chewed and eaten.
You're consuming everything.
You're eating everything, is basically what he's saying.
And then he says, can you please turn back into my friend?
Because it's so fucking intense to see that.
And so the response is, okay, let's stop killing everything.
But look, you're getting eaten by the universe no matter what you do.
You're being ground to dust by the force of time.
There is no escape from this.
You are in the digestive tract of a being that is gradually transforming you into nothingness, depending on what you want to believe, unless you think that there's some eternal perpetual soul, in which case the digestive system is freeing you from the terrible and limited enclosure of the human body.
Either way, man, we are being shifted in a dramatic and beautiful way, and as that's happening, To think that you can somehow not realize what you are, which is you are one of the digestive organs in the universe.
No matter what you do, man, you are completely wiping beings out of the universe at every single fucking second.
If your immune system's working, those sweeties who burrowed into your fucking skin and gotten into your mucous membranes, you're wiping them out.
Your blood cells are Heartlessly fucking killing them.
And then maybe you had an ant on your counter.
When you drove your car, I'd say there's a 60% to 90% chance you probably ran over some tiny little fucking bug that was walking across the street.
You can't live in this universe without Killing things.
And you, too, are being killed.
So you're like a little bit of stomach acid helping to dissolve a steak.
You're a little bit of the digestive process of the universe, killing and outputting energy from that destruction.
Yeah free range cows free range chickens You know and you did have to decide that there's a certain cycle of life involved here And then you're willing to take part in it for your own health.
You're gonna decide I'd like this my body functions better on this So I'm going to I'm going to allow this to happen or or help it participate.
Yeah help participate in it but um I think when you see a bear eat a salmon, that bear is not thinking for a fucking second about the feelings of that salmon.
It's just holding it down and tearing it apart with no hesitation whatsoever.
When we reap lettuce from the ground, are we doing a more complicated version of that?
Are we pretending that this thing is this non-feeling, non-thinking thing because it doesn't move and it can't send emails?
But is it possible that all these things that we call life, all these things, have a consciousness?
This is what I was thinking as I've been doing VR, having so many philosophical thoughts based on this incredible technology.
So this is what I started thinking is the human, all living things are like Organic virtual reality goggles, right?
So like a squirrel is like a kind of virtual reality goggle that the universe is gazing through in the form of a squirrel's reality, right?
So this consciousness, this intelligence, it's like an omnipresent force and every living thing is like a faucet that its life is this intelligence coming through and expressing itself based on the Energetic system of the particular conduit that it's coming through.
So a living squirrel is a portal that is opened up to the intelligence of the universe temporarily.
And when that intelligence flows through the squirrel, the way electricity runs through a motherboard, then it's animated, right?
And so when the squirrel dies, it's not as though the Intelligence is gone.
It's just that that particular conduit shuts while there's a billion other conduits in any biome filled with that intelligence pouring through it and behaving according to the way whatever the thing is that it's coming through.
If you have different AI programs with different codes, it's still processing the same energy.
It's just the energy is being transformed based on whatever the specific system is, you know?
So when we eat meat, We're in a weird way eating the virtual reality goggles that infinity was using to experience reality.
And that reality that infinity was experiencing through the VR goggles that you're eating inside your bun Was not a great fucking experience, you know?
So composed in that goggle, in that life form that you're eating, this is what the Hare Krishnas say, is all the fear, all the terror, all the momentum of that being's life somehow gets encoded into the atomic structure of the meat that you're consuming.
And so you take a little bit of that suffering into you and that Degrades your life in some slight way that totally makes sense Totally makes sense That there's something that gets through it.
Frank Mueller is the guy is the VO actor who narrated the Dark Tower series by Stephen King and he is the best and so I there's no way I'm fucking reading Moby Dick but listening to someone who understands what he's reading helps you understand it and Yeah,
the inflections are in the right place, and he's clearly some kind of super genius who just gets Moby Dick, and he understands every single fucking passage that Melville endlessly writes about the very, the deepest details of whales, man.
Melville fucking loved whales, and the book, it is like a sort of portal into before they knew that whales were mammals, right?
So, you know, they thought they were fucking fish.
If, to use the virtual reality goggle example, let's imagine there's like...
15 different virtual reality goggles on the table that represent a kind of spectrum of technological advancement.
So here we've got a, I don't know, remember in the old days you used to have those stupid viewfinders you could flip through and look at?
Okay, so on one side we have a viewfinder, and on the other side we've got Some shit that doesn't even exist yet.
Some neural interface.
You put it on a harmonic magnetic field interacts with your brain and you not only go into a location, but you experience the memories, emotions, thoughts, and dreams of the avatar within the game.
You literally become the figure.
That's on the other side of the spectrum, right?
So here we have this sort of like spectrum of potential experience.
I think it would be safe to say that the experience of a broccoli, right, just based on the tech in there, versus the experience of like a, I don't know, a fucking MIT student, genius, who's like, healthy.
I'd say that you could say that there's varying levels Of experience.
As to what is being experienced, who's to say?
Now that I say it, I think I'm totally wrong.
I'm sorry for the rant.
At the very end of it, some part of me is like, just shut up, man.
I mean, they can change color, and they shoot ink into the air.
And he was one that I first heard speculate that the ink, when they shoot ink into the air, that it might be like erasure fluid.
Like, look how small that hole is, and look at this big-ass octopus get through this tiny hole.
I mean, you would look at that hole, and you would be like, there's no way.
But these things, not only can they get out of a hole like that, but they can walk on land for long periods of time, climb back up into their fish tanks, lift the lid, get inside, I mean, they're aliens, man.
I mean, that might as well be on another planet.
We're just used to it because it's on Earth.
That thing has a giant, bulbous head, long, movable arms.
That's the final place you got to get to is that you are a part of a super organism that is stretching through time in the form of every generation of thing that ever lived.
And it's currently It's like this being that has an infinite number of appendages that represent all living forms of life on Earth.
And just like the same way that you investigate a thing, all these appendages have wrapped around the planet and they're probing, probing, probing, probing, probing the planet.
So it's like every living thing is the very end of an interdimensional, super intelligent appendage.
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, where he said that mice are just the ends of the tentacles of an interdimensional creature studying scientists that laboratory mice...
He was a fucking genius.
But in the same way, when you look at every single living being on Earth is actually protruding from generation after generation of being that stretches back to the beginning of organic life on planet Earth.
So it's like Earth suddenly gets life.
How?
Who the fuck knows?
My theory?
Aliens.
Who knows?
Maybe it just randomly happened.
Who knows?
But so suddenly springing from the earth are these very rudimentary organisms that over the course of millennia gradually stretched out and changed to become various types of devices to study the crevices,
crannies and air of this planet until eventually it became monkeys and the monkeys became people and now we're like a very advanced scope That is peering into the atomic and subatomic level of the fucking thing.
But when you look at a squirrel's life, an eagle's life, a fucking salmon being eaten by a bear's life, it's interesting to consider that what you're seeing is an Infinite number of scopes through which something that appears to be either investigating this dimension or just enjoying being in it is coming through.
You know, that seems to be what's happening.
That is an idea that gets echoed in some Eastern philosophies.
Okay, so everything's eating itself, but if you imagine that what you're looking at is actually only one-half of Of the thing, because we can't see into the nothingness that happens after death, then it could be that you're actually looking at just one part of a process, right?
You're seeing a limited part of an infinite process that's happening, where death is just one piece of it, but the thing that dies isn't annihilated.
But, uh, so when you look at that as part of a continuum, right?
Instead of just like you are born and then you die and then nothingness, if you look at it as part of an energetic continuum, Of which we can only witness this particular part of the continuum.
We don't have the technology yet to peer into the other part of the continuum.
So if you look at it as an actual cycle, then the brutality of the universe becomes a little less significant because you realize like, oh no, it's just like...
Things diving out of the nothingness into the somethingness, returning to the nothingness, in the same way a dolphin jumps up and goes back down into the sea.
That's what we're doing.
Only when we dive into time, we take on a form.
When we dive out of time, we become the formless, and then we come back out of time again.
That's reincarnation.
Reincarnation is Sorry if I've said it on this podcast before, but reincarnation is like a fucking dolphin trick.
Only in this case, the trick that you're doing is called your incarnation.
And the particular way that you live, whether it's, as it is for most people, a kind of failure, because how the fuck are you going to figure out what to do when you dive into time for such a temporary Fleeting lifetime, like just suddenly to be able to do backflips and shit.
Maybe you're not going to be able to do that right away, but you dive out of time or out of nothingness, come into somethingness, incarnate, incarnate, incarnate.
Here we are as a being, have a life, and then you go back into the nothingness again.
And so the people that we are most amazed by in history are just people who did really awesome tricks with their temporary human incarnation as they came jumping out of the nothingness.
That's what we're in right now, man.
Just a temporary, transitory state of harmonized atoms that have become aware of themselves, that are about to go through an incredible energetic shift where you become nothing.
And then, maybe, become something again for infinity.
We have a real hard time having the perspective of your body turning into bacteria or bacteria consuming your body when you die, of that not being a bad thing.
That it's a part of life and that you will be conscious inside that bacteria.
That maybe your consciousness leaves this.
Travels with you with your cells and your DNA as you're being consumed Yeah, and it becomes a part of some gigantic matrix and that's what maybe that's what you're tapping into when you're doing things like DMT Yeah, when you hit that well of consciousness Whatever the fuck that is that you hit when you you run into that sea of reality Yeah, when I say reality like this But just intense, God-like, no bullshit.
Like, it knows everything.
There's no bullshit.
And you have to abandon all your worldly thoughts.
And maybe that's what we do all the time when we're sleeping, man.
I mean, it's entirely possible that what we don't remember is existing in that realm.
And that that realm is something that we're just shut off from.
Because for us to get done what we have to get done with this monkey body, you can't be fucking contemplating that all the time because you're not going to get shit done.
You're going to be too philosophical.
You're going to be too confused.
You're going to be so blown away by the images of that other world that you can't handle it.
But you articulated, when you said that, the essence of so many different religious systems, which is that here is this omnipresent, infinite, ever replenishing, creative matrix of intelligence that is So much bigger than I am that it's incomprehensible.
And like you said, you have to let go of all your worldly ideas, your thoughts, your ego.
You have to let your ego die.
Because what the fuck are you gonna do in the face of that thing?
Are you gonna hold on to the stuff you're proud of?
Are you gonna hold on to the...
The victories that you've achieved in your minute, flickering human incarnation when you're in the presence of the source of victory in the universe?
What are you going to do there?
What's the correct reaction to have if a thing like that were real?
And so, depending on what religious system you subscribe to, all of those are answers to that question, you know?
And you hear the answer coming up In a similar way, usually, which is you serve it.
You try to become a servant to it, because what else are you going to fucking do?
I know you've been waiting for a long time, Infinity, but finally I'm amongst you with my wisdom of my 47 years on planet Earth as a tire salesman who finally does DMT for the first time.
Yeah, this is why I really love this Bhakti Yoga, because it takes that idea.
There is A super intelligent creative force in the universe and the word for it is Bhagavan and it basically means maximum everything.
So ultimate beauty, ultimate intelligence, ultimate attractiveness, ultimate Ultimate love.
It's the ultimate of ultimates, right?
So this thing has inadvertently, it depends on what version of it, probably not inadvertently, but this thing has a...
It's so potent that the way it's interacting with time is that it's breaking into an infinite number of pieces that have all become semi or super aware.
So its consciousness has dispersed itself Through its creation and every single minute element, like some fractal, every single little piece of it is a possessor of this infinite consciousness.
And so that infinite consciousness is the source of love and it basically lets you fall in love with it if you want to and it loves you too, which is what's really trippy to imagine.
This is a thought experiment, man.
Imagine that thing you just described, that infinite fucking thing, the no bullshit thing that demands that you drop your history like a fucking old nasty bag of shit.
Imagine if that thing also was aware of you completely and also Loved you!
Imagine that shit, man.
That's the craziest idea ever.
That's a crazy fucking idea.
That's better than, you know, like when you kind of like a girl and you start thinking like, maybe you don't do this because you're a fucking muscular super billionaire who hosts the UFC, but somebody like me, if a girl starts liking you, you start thinking like, holy shit, does this girl...
I think this girl likes me.
I think this beautiful, incredibly beautiful girl likes me.
Could this be?
That's the beginning of all love songs, right?
That's the beginning of all human happiness is, holy shit, the girl I like likes me back?
I think she likes me Holy shit, I think she's falling in love with me, this incredibly beautiful girl.
So Bhakti Yoga is that exact concept transferred to the universe.
So now you're like, wait a minute.
This entire, the source of all things in the universe has a personality and it seems to love me?
Not in a fucking tame way.
Not in like...
The way that you might hear, like, Jesus loves you.
And then you imagine it being, like, that means you could go over to his house and sit down and have, like, a boring cup of tea and leave.
You know?
Like, that kind of love.
No.
This is a fucking wild, savage, unpredictable love the way your best friend loves you.
Or the way that, like, a comedian loves you.
Which is, like, you don't know what the fuck's gonna happen.
You know, for whatever reason, especially with whales, I have a thing for whales.
I have a thing for whales and orcas and dolphins.
I'm fascinated by them, like legitimately perplexed.
I think that it's entirely possible by both With both dolphins and orcas, that they're just as smart as us.
They just don't express it the same way.
They have a different kind of existence.
They don't want to dominate other than controlling food.
They just want to have food.
And once they have food, I just think when you listen to scientists talk about their dialects, And the fact that the pod stays together for life, and that they form these tight bonds, and they communicate over great distances with sound frequencies, and these complex languages that they've recognized are different in different areas.
So they've recognized they're similar sounds, but there's a dialect to it.
They still don't know what the fuck they're saying.
And part of the reason why we don't know what they're saying is just like how we were talking about emojis being like a form of hieroglyphs.
I don't think we can understand the context of communication when you live in the fucking ocean and you kill fish with your face all day.
I think what we would think of is, where is your house?
Do you guys have cable?
How do you guys find out about when the movie Movies are playing.
This idea of communication to us, what they're trying to do is locate each other, let each other know their moods, let each other know their horns, let each other know.
But we think that that's rudimentary in comparison to our complex system of sounds and very repeatable sounds that we can all express back and forth to each other.
But just like emojis, what they're doing, they're...
They're expressing themselves in a way that they all understand.
And don't forget, they have an awareness of part of the larger part of the earth.
We don't know what the fuck is down there.
That's one of the Moby Dick, right after they, spoiler, they kill a fucking white old Moby Dick, but right after that, in the description.
The description of the way they kill this fucking thing, the way they did it back then, which is, you know, you get in a ship, you row up to the thing, there's a harpooner, he's got a fucking harpoon, and he's got to zing it at the thing, and then you've got to tire it out, reel it in.
This is a fucking whale, right?
This is a Leviathan, right?
You're just a little fucking human in a fucking boat, and you're like nailing this thing with a harpoon.
Finally, when it gets tired enough, you have to find its heart.
Jam the harpoon into its heart and then basically like fuck the hole with a harpoon just jab it in and out of that fucking hole until finally this is description makes you want to cry it's so awful finally like the whale out of its blowhole it like shrieks like a like car brakes or something like it's screaming in pain and then it just blows chunks of guts and lung and heart out Oh
so you have sharks chewing your goddamn whale.
It's somebody's job to get lowered down with a harpoon and kill the fucking sharks.
And Melville describes killing sharks He's like, you watch the harpooner stab the shark.
The shark will start eating its own entrails.
Because it'll just start eating itself and then just like tying itself up into a knot as it eats itself in a frenzy.
That's how Melville describes it.
Oh my god.
But after they kill a whale, Ahab, Captain Ahab, poor sad Captain Ahab, he comes out and he does a funeral for the whale's head and he says, what have you seen down there?
What have you seen?
The graves of millions of sailors, the wrecked ships that no one will ever know are there.
That's what a whale sees.
So they just have this awareness that we don't.
Like, we'll never know what the fuck's down there.
God, I hate to always talk about it, but a brief history of nearly everything.
He describes it as like, and this could be wrong, I don't know, but what we know about the ocean.
Imagine if someone took like six tractors and dropped them in the middle of like middle America and they drove around for a few nights with their lights on at night.
Some description like that, I can't remember, but it's that limited, because getting a fucking thing underneath all that pressure that's not going to break down, getting out there in the first place to get the thing down that can survive that pressure, forget it.
I think I'd rather go to space than be stuck at the bottom of the fucking ocean and then see a drop of water on the side of the wall going, what is that?
They hold a beer can up, and they have one of them Whopper tits, like those double F jammies, and they hold it by the base, because those tits are always like, you know, they're sort of like a ball on the end of an old rope.
You know, because you have the big, round, ridiculous-sized implants, and they hold the beer can, and they just molly-whop that beer can and crush it.
That's how I would feel if I heard a clink, clink, clink, that I knew that eventually the thousands of pounds of pressure was just going to smush that That tank.
But, like, how many guys have broken beer cans with their dick?
How about zero?
Tits are way more powerful than dick in that regard.
What guy's ever, like, held a beer can down and smashed it with his hog?
That guy's a greater man than anybody in this room.
Plus, especially if he does it right side up and he gets the lip of the beer can, the thin part, slams against his dick with the kind of force that's required to bend a beer can, you're gonna crush your dick.
So that supposedly they had to get him a body double in a nude scene in a movie.
Because his cock is so gigantic that they thought nobody would believe that was a human's dick.
So they had to get a body double with a smaller cock to have him stand in because his penis is so large that it would disrupt the flow of the narrative.
But it's the fact that the guy's running for president and he was joking around about his dick not being tiny.
That is hilarious.
I don't...
I don't know if he's going to make the best leader of the free world, but I welcome someone who's willing to make a dick joke while they're running for president.
So what you're looking at here, man, is a quote from Ray Kurzweil, which is, things aren't getting worse, our information's getting better, right?
And so with Hillary Clinton, Who is a career politician, right?
And we've all known, since we were young, most people, I think, when they think about politicians, they don't think, those are some honest people, those politicians.
They usually are telling the truth.
I think most of us think politicians, they lie, they warp things, they fabricate things, they use a form of deception to gain control of various power structures.
That's what the animal does.
So that's not new information when you find out that Hillary Clinton And the DNC, and I don't know if they completely connected those two, but when you find out that they didn't do what they were supposed to do.
They helped Hillary Clinton become the Democratic nominee and they actively tried to fuck up Bernie Sanders, right?
So they apparently came up with a way to disseminate information to the press, highlighting certain aspects of Bernie Sanders that would be unappealing to the voter.
And obviously her influence didn't just sit within her own little group of people that were working for her.
It had gotten to the DNC itself.
So she's deeply embedded in this whole system, whether it's because of friendships or ideologies or people just wanted her.
She's the chosen one.
Whatever reason, whatever deals were made or whoever, who knows?
Who knows what it is?
But when you find out that an organization that's supposed to be the head, it's supposed to be if everything was Yeah.
On the up and up, it's supposed to be objective and looking for what the people want as the best party.
But no, they're actually actively steering it, which is massively corrupt and kind of scary.
These people are deciding to steer an entire party, which is 50% of a political process because there's no...
We've got Libertarian Party for the first time.
People are taking Gary Johnson seriously.
He's going to do that town hall debate on Wednesday or town hall, one of those town hall things on Wednesday on CNN. But for the most part, it's Democrats and Republicans in most people's eyes.
So what they're essentially doing is rigging half of that process.
We don't think anything's wrong with that, but we put Martha Stewart in jail for not telling exactly the truth about where she bought and sold stocks or whatever the fuck she lied about.
We do think something's wrong about it, but we can't do anything about it.
We do think something's wrong, but right now...
Okay, so if that institution is corrupt, and if the Republican institution is in some ways corrupt...
I think it might be safe to say, and I don't think too many people would be outraged at the idea that there is a institutionalized corruption in the entire American political system.
And it's very similar to the problem that happens in bike racing.
If one motherfucker rigs their bike or gets on fucking doping stuff that can't be detected, If you want to have a fair advantage, you've got to rig your bike and start doping too.
Or the person who rigs their bike will always win.
So, if politics is a competition, which it clearly is, and if members of the competition are using nefarious means to achieve their goals...
What's new is now people like Julian Assange are shining a light on the corruption and his whole idea is if I reveal this information it will force Reform via the outrage of the people who are supposed to be represented by a person who's breaking the law.
That's his idea.
We need reform.
And right now, we're at the point where it's very similar to when you're in a family, and this is one of the worst things that can fucking happen, man.
In a family, if there's somebody who's molesting somebody, it happens all the time, where a father or a brother will start fucking molesting somebody, right?
And people in the family know it, but they don't do anything about it.
Because to talk about what grandpa does every couple of years means the complete Disintegration of the fucking family, an apocalypse for the family.
In the same way, as more of these revelations become clear, which we always knew, but you could always float into a happy place and be like, nah, I'm just being a conspiracy dude.
I'm sure the stuff they're doing up on Capitol Hill is all fair and square.
You know, you can just believe it, kind of.
You just pretend to believe it.
Now it's like, well, no, you're wrong.
Look, hey, here's the fucking proof.
And here's going to be more proof.
And there's going to be more proof.
And there's going to be more proof.
Until finally, the American people are going to have to either just be like...
I'm just going to believe that four is three and three is four because I have a nice comfortable life and I don't want to fucking deal with this shit, man.
I'm just going to trust the banks because the banks like money.
Yeah, and by the way, P.S., man, when you consider that, it's like there's something pragmatic about that, as sad as it is, as depressing as it is, but the real...
Awful problem is that this country, I think, is like a metaphysical machine that was built by some very intelligent people who understood the energy flow that comes through a society and the elections were supposed to be an outlet valve for the pressure that builds up when people feel that they're being repressed, right?
And if you start fucking with that output valve by putting up fake politicians that don't truly represent the people And hope that the people will believe that they have elected these people.
If you put two shitty choices in front of us, and we're supposed to look at that and be like, okay, everything's fine, then you're missing the point, which is that there is an energetic system that needs to get released.
At some point, the energy's got to go out.
If it doesn't go out, you get revolution.
That's the way the energy goes out the wrong way.
The idea is, let's fucking the American Revolution.
Brutal, bloody, awful, fucked.
These geniuses, many of them Freemasons, got together and they were like, you know what?
Is there a way that we can program history so that a society doesn't destroy itself intermittently with a fucking revolution?
Because if we could do that, we'll build one of the most powerful, never-ending societies on Earth because we figured out a way to outflow the pressure that builds up.
So when you start fucking with the goddamn political system and pretend that everything's gonna be okay, you are missing, I think, the point, which is that people who are very smart, maybe a lot smarter than the politicians we have today, recognize something, built a thing, and said, let's just trust the fucking people.
Let's trust the people, release the steam, and voila!
Everything runs according to plan.
Now, the gears are a little fucking gummed up, man.
They can donate money to all sorts of different programs where they would have someone speak.
And they can decide who gets to speak and who doesn't get to speak.
And they also have like the Clinton Foundation.
People donate money into that.
They don't donate just fuckloads of money.
So all these things, but hold on a second.
Sorry.
What they are essentially, you're paying someone to speak for an hour, and you're going to give them $750,000, and you want me to pretend that that's normal.
That's crazy.
And what does this person do?
They're a public servant.
Okay.
Okay, so they're a public servant, and while they're publicly serving, they're also making $750,000 to talk.
Is this like, if you were like a mad billionaire, could you just get Hillary Clinton to come to your house and just speak to you for an hour in your living room?
Okay, so should she like say well you can never be It's weird, right?
You couldn't be someone who is in public office and go and also have like a Book reading tour where you read from your novel about crime or something like that You'd have to be like a no fiction person When you're talking, you're talking about what you do for work.
That's part of what you're talking about.
Nobody's going to ask Hillary Clinton to come and speak about the history of jazz in the United States.
She's not going to give speeches on that.
She's going to give speeches on politics, right?
I don't know.
So why is that okay?
Why can you have two jobs?
That means you're having a second job.
You're doing your job.
You're saying the things that you say during your job, but somebody else is paying you too.
Yeah, and now it's like, to make matters worse, it's like, you have to, there's this weird idea that's like, listen, you might not like Hillary fucking Clinton, Can you go back to that real quick?
But they're like, you better shut the fuck up about her because do you want Trump to be president?
It says, when Hillary filed a financial disclosure document after entering the Senate in 2001, she reported assets of less than $1.8 million and liabilities of more than $2 million.
Well, what were they doing with all the money?
What are they spending money on?
Who the fuck, okay, who has like $2 million in assets and $2 million in debt?
I remember when it's like Saturday Night Live was making jokes about them stealing like silverware and fine china and stuff from when they were like leaving like on their last days there.
I'll tell you, part of me appreciates how gangster she is.
There's a video going around of her talking from 2000 about not having email, and then imagine if she had emails, like what the investigators would find.
You know, man, I think it's like a crazy time right now, because we're actually getting to witness...
The cool thing about all this shit is, as nefarious as these assholes want to be, they can't keep up with technology.
They're being exposed technologically, and that's going to continue to happen.
And that's pretty fucking badass, man.
No matter how powerful a gangster Hillary Clinton is, she has apparently zero security on her computer systems or very little security.
And maybe if she had great security, she still couldn't stop the infiltration of hackers.
And this is going to keep happening and happening and happening until either we just accept That our politicians are innately corrupt, or we come up with some fucking way to starve them out, to make it so that they are...
Like the idea of democratic socialism, like, boy, it sounds good.
It sounds good if people got more.
I'm warming up to the idea of universal basic income.
I kind of like that idea.
Because I think if you think about how much resources we spend on things like cops and firemen and damage done and police and rather prisons and how much time maybe we could avoid some of that, like maybe a big chunk of it.
I think universal basic income has something that we should explore as a culture.
But I think also requiring people to do certain things, like in the community.
Requiring some sort of community service.
How nice would it be if, I mean, it's nice to be able to pay someone to take out the garbage, but maybe we'd appreciate each other more if we all took out the garbage once a month.
If these people up there, if they were like, somehow, we actually...
Just imagine.
Here's a crazy fantasy.
I don't know how you'd implement it, but let's imagine we had a system where, every four years, some of the coolest, smartest people in the country became our leaders.
But we all sit together in a room and we're like, hey man, let's imagine like five more badasses, right?
We all sit together in a room and we say, listen...
I know none of you guys want this fucking job.
You're successful because you're super smart and you're super cool and you're having great lives.
But would you consider for a couple of years helping us work this shit out so the planet gets a little better?
And I guarantee, now again, this is a fantasy, but I guarantee that there will be very few people in that room who'd be like, no!
I'm gonna live my life.
You'd be like, yeah, I'll do it for two years, no problem.
I'll do it for four years, sure.
I would love to help.
And so for four years you go into this job truly thinking, man, I'm gonna see if I can reduce the number of people who are fucking Uneducated and hungry and the bombs going off and I'm gonna try to do it by using all of my smartest friends and I'm not doing it because I'm gonna get money from this group or that group.
I'm doing it because it feels like the right thing to do.
Do you know what that's called, man?
That's called the American fucking dream that the Founding Fathers came up with.
That was the idea.
We're gonna have a group of brilliant, wonderful people who want this particular swath of human beings to be a peaceful, what is it?
A peaceful place where you can experience life.
Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, right?
Freedom, autonomy, community, all these beautiful things.
That was the idea.
Beautiful idea.
It'll almost make you cry when you think about how beautiful a fucking idea that is.
And then to imagine that that idea over the course of time was gradually deteriorated, gradually infiltrated, gradually broken down.
And of course it was because When there is a powerful empire, the empire is inevitably attacked by entities that want to take it over.
Of course, it's the nature of things.
Something powerful, some asshole wants that power.
And so, an analysis of the system over the course of time, or an intentional infiltration by people who have all the money, or just some systemic degradation, a slow sort of Collapse of a million different systems inside the thing has happened that has happened and yet the Concept remains one of the most beautiful ideas one of the most incredible fucking ideas.
They cannot erode the concept Well, maybe it can still be saved with technology Maybe the transparency that's being afforded by technology is going to somehow or another step in and put a halt to what we see as just a standard operational behavior of corruption and influence.
Corruption and influence is just so standard that it's right in front of us.
When CNN is printing Hillary Clinton's annual earnings for the past two years is $21 million and no one's batting an eye.
She's sitting there with her bite suit.
She has that bite suit on.
Looks like a fucking German Shepherd's gonna jump out of the bushes and grab her suit.
She walks around in these boxy bite suits and she's She's making ungodly sums of money from just talking.
Look, Bohemian Grove, whatever the fuck they're doing there, whatever they do it for, for whatever reason, they really do, or at least used to, dress up in robes and burn an effigy in front of a fucking giant owl statue, okay?
There's a video of it.
It's real.
For them, they say it's fun, and it's just like one of those...
Frat pranks or traditions that people do.
They'll dress up in weird costumes and they go through some weird skull and bone ceremony that their grandpappy did.
But my point is, I don't have a point, but if I had a point, it would be, that's the reason why America is so fucking badass, that at least the reverberations of the initial instincts to start it still exist.
It's like a geometric form, but here's the problem, man.
Okay, this is what I was thinking.
So, let's imagine that you and I are somehow, I don't know why, we end up on a cruise ship It's like the opposite of a reality show where you find a great person.
Over the course of months, they find the world's worst people, right?
And so, maybe the world's most unwise people are the world's dumbest people.
So you end up with a population of 60 idiots on the boat.
And I'm not saying we're not idiots.
I certainly don't consider myself to be a Mensa member.
But let's imagine we're a little more on the ball than these guys are.
The boat fucking wrecks.
We're on an island.
Now we have to build a civilization.
How does democracy become a good thing if the majority of people are kind of not that fucking on point, right?
Let's imagine it's a boat filled with psychotics.
Let's imagine it's a boat filled with people who are paranoid schizophrenics, for example.
How do you have a democracy of paranoid schizophrenics running things?
And so when you have the news spraying out a paradigm that Is also weirdly corrupt in the sense that the news is being run by groups of people who want to sell advertising and need to be entertaining.
And you know they have to at least present this information in a kind of entertaining, possibly warped way.
There are cases, including in the recent WikiLeaks dump, where the NDD? No.
No, the Democratic group, the DNC, was giving talking points to the press, right?
So, if the media is painting a picture of the universe that is not Accurate or is warped a little bit based on consumerism or the corporations that are running things, then the people who have tuned into that reality and believe it to be true, you could safely say they are mildly psychotic because they have Bought into a reality tunnel that might not actually exist.
In which case, is a democracy at that point a good thing if the people living in the democracy have for a lifetime been getting bad information shot into their fucking brains?
Marijuana will give you brain damage!
War is good!
Sometimes you just need to fucking kill people.
We have got to get into fucking Iraq because Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction that he is going to Leash on the fucking West.
Wrong information.
But if you believe it, you believe wrong information.
And if you believe wrong information, then that means that you are no longer walking along the path that is there, but a path created by other people, right?
So that's when democracy gets really interesting.
Because now what we have is very powerful hypnotic cobbles of billionaires sending bad information to the population in an attempt to shift their perceptual mechanisms in such a way that they will elect leaders that don't represent them, but that have been created by these machines to take over the The world.
And in that case, the democracy becomes a little bit more problematic.
So that's another problem.
It's like, okay, great.
Now let's imagine we suddenly have a functioning democracy.
What if a lot of people in that functioning democracy have subscribed to ideas that aren't real and that they're not willing to let go of?
Are you writing down, never put Duncan on the show again?
It's just, the idea is, what if many of us, like, the shit we believe ain't real?
And what if that shit that we think is real has been intentionally placed into our heads by corporations with the intention of making us behave in a certain way?
At that point, a democracy becomes problematic.
Like, what are you going to do if, you know, there's so many people right now who believe, like, Trump is putting out a reality tunnel, Hillary Clinton's putting out a reality tunnel.
These are two different reality tunnels where many of the pieces of it might not actually reflect what's happening in the world.
So it's like, which of these made-up stories are you gonna tune into, or are you gonna reject both of them and go wandering off into the woods alone and try to, in your own way, understand what's happening, minus the influence of the corporate media?
I was thinking when we were talking about people coming over in boats that we were talking earlier about the human biome and that your your gut biome in particular it affects your mood your intelligence level your personality it affects your immune system and that That's one thing that I've been really getting into over the last few years.
It's really concentrating on probiotics.
First, kombucha.
That was the big one.
I like that GT's kombucha.
I like that original flavor.
It almost feels like someone blew their nose in it.
Those slimy slugs.
Those kombucha slugs that you gotta throw down.
But it's really good for your immune system, man.
It made a big difference with all my travel on the road.
But then I started really getting into kefir.
Started really getting into, I drink goat's milk kefir several times a week, and I drink like a whole glass of it.
And man, the more I've been concentrating on that, kimchi, that's another one that I've really gotten into lately, fermented cabbage, it's really good for you, very probiotic as well.
The more I'm doing this, I feel happier, if that makes any sense.
It actually makes me feel better.
I don't just feel healthier in terms of my immune system's really good, but I feel better.
So what I was thinking is, these poor fucks that got on that boat and came across the seas, when you think about the horrible atrocities committed by the pilgrims or the Columbus's soldiers when they came over here, by one account of a missionary, they were dashing babies' heads on rocks, they were cutting people's arms off if they didn't bring back their weight in gold.
There was some really dark, dark, dark shit going on.
I wonder if it was a combination of, obviously, barbaric human beings in barbaric times when things were just way fucking different and there was very little accountability for psychopathic behavior.
And in fact, you hired these fucking psychopaths, these abused people, murderers.
Those are your soldiers.
Those are the people you're hiring.
Those are the people that you put on that fucking boat.
Christopher Columbus started his voyage in Palos, Spain in early August of 1492 with three ships, the Nina and the Pinto Santa Maria.
We all know that stuff.
Wow, that's amazing.
Can you imagine just being on that boat, being a fucking fly on the wall on that boat, watching those murderers sail across the ocean and knowing one day you're going to get a day off school for those cunts.
We have been conditioned intentionally by a power structure to believe in a reality tunnel that if you don't believe in that reality tunnel, you're considered to be somebody who's a little crazy.
The guy's like standing there like, it's that relationship that we all know of that one fucking super good arguing right-wing guy that's a little bit older than the other guy and he kind of clowns them when they have lunch together.
There's something psychological, there's like a mindfuck going on because we know that relationship.
We know that paradigm between the really fucking straight-up Republican, no-nonsense, got his shit together, has a cigar and a single malt scotch and that's about it.
And we know that other guy who's like, hey, I heard that Tower 7 is an inside job.
It's a fact, fucking guy, is our version of a person who has been...
It happens in North Korea.
There's that, like...
I don't know if you saw it, but, like, in one of these documentaries about North Korea, which I love to watch because it's the ultimate example of a hypnotized culture.
So, many of the people who are currently in the U.S. government have taken lots of money from the pharmaceutical companies that supply some of the most dangerous drugs on earth.
To people all over the planet.
And those people in the government are also in charge of dropping bombs on people in other parts of the world.
There's a guy and he's talking to his daughter and she's reciting a prayer and apparently she's reciting some prayer of safety and while they're doing it, you hear, And they both get shot, like, rocketed back and forth, like something hit near their building.
You see, like, the reverberations, the impact move them.
They jut out of the frame and then the video stops.
But I'm not sure if you're seeing that or if it's one of those.
There's a company that was, I think it's in Australia, that they create fake viral videos to get hits.
And they're a special effects company.
And they're responsible for a gang of amazing videos that have been online.
One of them was this couple that shot a lion.
And then you see the lion, another lion, they're standing over a lion taking pictures.
This one special effects group made that and a bunch of other fake ones too that a lot of people sent me and they said they were real and I retweeted them like, oh wow, that's crazy, man.
But meanwhile, these people are just special effects artists.
Plus, I didn't like the way the lion, the way it was looking, the way it was sitting there on the ground.
It looked fake.
The whole thing looked like a fake lion.
But then there's one that came out today that I'm reasonably sure is real.
And that's one I was telling you about before the show where there's a bear in this guy's house.
And he looks downstairs, and my friend Shane Carwin actually tweeted a picture.
I gotta retweet it when I find it.
He tweeted me a picture today of a fucking bear that broke into his friend's cabin and tore it apart.
Tore the refrigerator open, ripped out everything on the floor, ripped out cabinets, just tore his fucking place apart.
And apparently his friend called Shane is like, uh, hey dude, did you use my cabin or something?
Shane Carr was this giant heavyweight UFC fighter.
He's a former UFC interim heavyweight champion.
He's a gorilla.
And so his friend, like, that's the first person he called.
Imagine if someone tears through your house, rips your fucking refrigerator door off the wall, lays waste, like someone just fucking hulked out in your kitchen.
So he calls Shane up first, hey dude, um, did you rip my refrigerator door off?
And then there was another one that's true as well, it's real, where a bear got trapped in someone's car.
Somehow or another the bear opened the car door, which they've been known to do, if you leave it open.
Look at that, that's a bear trapped in the back of that fucking Subaru.
So when I was in Boulder, one of the people that lived in the town over from where I lived got their car broken into and the bear ate the inside of their car.
The bear, I mean, literally ate their seats, ate their dashboard.
They're having a good old time in swimming pools and shit.
You don't have to worry about them.
You gotta worry about predatory bears.
Like, there's a guy that I know, Steve Rinello, who hosts the show Meat Eater.
One of his friends took a guy out hunting for his very first time they were camping, and a 500-pound predatory black bear climbed in the tent and attacked him.
In the middle of the night and his friend shot the bear.
The bullet went through the bear and shot his friend in the wrist.
Man, whenever you have those kinds of bad lucks land on top of each other like the balloon accident where like not only do you fall to your death but you're also on fire while you fall to your death.
Oh my god, because you know, if that shit didn't work out, if the net broke and for the rest of your life you have to remember what that looks like, just the explosion of guts and the sound that's gonna make when that thing hits the fucking tarmac.
His wife's like screaming or just a silent scream.
Just everyone, just PTSD. You're gonna have to go to a therapist to get that out of your head.
You're gonna wake up with the memory of that guy's body just exploding like a fucking watermelon in front of you.
What if the pressure of the situation, the gravity of the situation, the adrenaline rush and the g-force all combined made him stroke out like that Indian dude and he just never even bothered steering and went right into the crowd?
Like a human missile.
Just took out kids and fucking grandma crushed a Subaru.
Is it possible that in the UFC, people are going to become so proficient at beating each other up that it...
There will be more of this type of awful accident happening where people just learn how to be powerful enough to crush a person's skull, where you just get better at it, man.
Like, if you look at like, and it's not a fair comparison because a skateboard requires a tool, but if you look at like early skateboarding videos to now and see how much it's evolved, And you know the UFC has the market pressure for these fighters to be the best ever because they become like world-renowned fighters and they make a lot of money.
So the pressure is there to evolve.
If you look at UFC 100 years from now, isn't it possible that fighters are going to get so good that it is no longer safe?
To do the UFC because they're just going to be strong enough to break someone's skull open with their fucking fists or with their knees?
The other thing is, I've seen an evolution in people's defense, too.
There's guys like Mighty Mouse, who barely get hit.
You know, and he's beating guys up, but occasionally you'll get a guy who is like an elite guy, and another guy's an elite guy, and they almost cancel each other out.
People get mad.
People get mad because there's not enough action, because they're both too smart, and they kind of like canceling each other.
That does happen.
That happens in fights.
So I just think that everybody is definitely getting better, but their defense is getting better as well.
And it's just, it's a sport where it's so chaotic and anyone can win by knockout if they connect.
And everyone is so fast and everyone has so much technique that the best guys can knock out the best guys.
We saw it this weekend.
Matt Brown, who is like one of the top UFC welterweights in the world, he's a fucking animal.
Savage, one of my favorite fighters ever, fought this kid named Jake Ellenberg.
Jake Ellenberger is a very talented guy who's had ups and downs, but he's lost a bunch of fights recently to top-level guys.
And this was his last chance in the UFC. They gave him a last chance.
They said, you know, they were going to cut him.
He said, just give me one more fight.
And they said, okay, we're going to give you Matt Brown, who's a demon.
And he's like, okay.
So he went in and knocked out Matt Brown the first round.
But it was crazy.
It was a crazy, chaos-filled fight.
He blasted him with a right hand and kicked him in the body with a liver kick and put him away.
It was a madness fight.
And Matt Brown was even coming back after getting hit with the first big punch.
But my point is, on any given night, one of these guys connects and they can knock out the other guy.
They can both do it.
Matt Brown easily could have knocked out Ellen Berger.
Well, if one person gets better, then everyone's going to adapt to come up with some defense for whatever the thing is that person's gotten better at, I guess.
But if you had to predict, like if someone's like, if you had to predict five years from now, If you've seen a kind of evolution in the fighting styles, then you've seen something that maybe you can prognosticate in five years, what do you think it's going to look like?
How will it be different?
How will the UFC change over time if mixed martial arts is an evolving sport?
But I would comfortably say we know at least 95% of all the striking options.
We're pretty well versed in what a person can do with their bones.
And I'm being real conservative when I say 95%.
It's probably closer to 99%.
But every now and then, someone will do something crazy.
Like this guy, I don't know the name of the organization, but just knocked some guy out with an axe kick the other day.
And somebody sent it to me, and I was like, ooh, see if you can find that.
Axe kick KO in MMA. It's real recent.
This is the first time I've seen that in a televised MMA bout.
But I saw it a gang of times in Taekwondo tournaments, and I witnessed it firsthand with a very good friend of mine who got knocked out horribly by an axe kick.
So I know that axe kicks are real dangerous if a guy's good at them, but you have to have elite flexibility and speed, and you have to know how to land it.
And so that was a new one that up until this year, I don't think anybody knocked anybody out with one before.
There was a guy named Adlon Amagov who was fighting in Strikeforce, and he fought in the UFC for a little bit, but he got real religious, and he decided to quit fighting.
But I think he might have fucked somebody up with an axe kick once.
He had nasty, nasty kicks.
But the point is, that might have been the last of the Mohicans, as far as new techniques that you're going to see people do.
Pretty much everything, round kicks, side kicks, front kicks, we already seen all those.
We already know they exist.
So that's pretty much covered.
What people are getting better at is their ability to deliver those techniques in a fluid form that's imperceptible for the person who's trying to anticipate the movements.
So when someone is attacking you, what it's like is, say if you were a really dumb guy and you were in a debate with Christopher Hitchens about something that you really shouldn't have been debating her about.
Like, you really don't know the subject very well, and you're talking shit, and he just starts with his...
He's clinking his whiskey glass around and touching it with his fingers and just demolishes you on real time with Bill Maher, right?
It was definitely not just smart, but also well-read.
We all know people that are very smart, but they don't read that much.
He was all of the above.
Smart, well-read, and did a lot of debating, and had a lot of conversations with really smart people, which is a big part of it as well.
And we're very lucky that we get to listen to those, because that's kind of like having those conversations.
Not in the sense that you're saying the words, but being privy to a conversation with a guy like Hitchens, like he's sitting there talking with Sam Harris or some religious leader or something like that, and the logical points that he makes, they're very enriching in a way that a lot of times school isn't even.
A lot of times your professor is a fucking incompetent cunt that got that job because he sucked the right dicks and now he's got tenure.
His sons were like Ramsay Bolton from the Game of Thrones, but for real.
They fed women to dogs.
They would take a woman, they would take her from her bridal party, rape her, kill her husband, or throw her husband in jail, rape her, and then feed her to their dogs.
I think the monstrous part of being a human being is that no matter how fucking awful you are and no matter how terrible Now, this could be completely naive, and I'm sure there's exceptions, but mostly, no matter how fucking awful you are, some little piece of you, inside of you, glimmering way down there, underneath all the fucking violence and murder, knows...
That you have the potential to be kind.
And it tortures you.
And I think that's inside every single person.
You can feel it in you all the time, no matter how good or how bad you are.
There's always that, like, you want to help.
There's always something in there.
Even fucking Dahmer.
Even the worst of the worst, man.
Somewhere in there.
It's in every single person.
I think it's what we are.
And the more separate you get from it, the more you start doing.
It starts with not putting your fucking shopping cart away at the grocery store.
The problem was we're talking about people that aren't broken.
There's people that, through whatever reason, through nature or nurture, there's people that have fuses broken, just like there's people that are born with leukemia, just like some people have cancer, just like some people have epilepsy, just like some people are born with disfigured arms.
Some people's brains are fucking wired wrong from the jump.
Self-awareness comes from the sum total of all these different processes running at once, and now we have this awareness of the self, whatever that may be.
Some people think that there is an infinite Never-ending, undying pixel that a human has grown around, and that thing goes on forever.
And that thing is made of love, or for lack of a better word.
So the idea is, and I like to believe this idea, as crazy as it may sound, Anyone can be redeemed.
Redemption is possible for all humans living today.
There is a way to stop your forward momentum in the direction of selfishness and start moving in the direction of being a little bit less of a fucking prick.
Maybe people that have the inclination or they have the potential to be a psychopath if they were raised by kind and loving people would develop patterns of behavior that are consistent with civilization and with harmony and community.
Like maybe what you get when you get a psychopath is the combination of really shitty upbringing, child abuse, all sorts of awful verbal and emotional shit that happens to people and physical shit that happens to people when they're young and these traits.
Which is one of the things I was talking about that I forgot earlier.
I started on it, but I never finished it.
I was talking about the people that came over on these boats, their gut biome.
If we're talking about someone who is on a boat for 60 days eating fucking beef jerky, and they come over here with scurvy, they're desperate, their fucking body's eating itself.
I mean, literally, their body's eating itself.
Your bones are fucking weak.
Your lack of vitamin C is causing you to get ill.
And then you land on this beach, and you're in an insane desperation mode, and you're already a piece of shit.
If you really are, if your personality consists of this ecosystem that we call your body, which we know for a fact has all sorts of different stuff that's going on.
There's different stuff on your skin.
There's different stuff in your body.
There's all sorts of different bacteria that coexists with you and even exist in a symbiotic way, right?
Like you need all these things inside your body to consume the food.
It's part of your digestive system, right?
E. coli is a natural part of the human digestive tract, right?
Well, man, I mean, this is the question of free will versus no free will.
You're saying if you get in a stressful situation, does some kind of mechanism of the swarms of organisms that make up yourself kick in where you no longer are capable of making decisions?
And I think that you always have this weird autonomy that the universe will try to trick you into thinking isn't there.
And then suddenly you become a...
Now, of course, though, I think if you look at the judicial system, there is a form of murder where you don't...
Temporary insanity is what they call it, right?
So, you know, there's like people who temporarily have lost their fucking mind and stabbed someone to death.
They prove that in court.
And then in that case, you don't even go to jail.
You've killed someone because you were temporarily fucking insane.
But I don't know, man.
I think that mostly...
Mostly, if you really watch yourself, you realize that you're pretty much in control, man.
When I watch myself...
When I'm about to be an asshole, like if I'm about to do something because I'm hangry, as they call it, you're talking about the ultimate version of hangry, which is where you result to cannibalism.
But if you look at yourself, even when you're having biochemical shit going down, and you're about to say something nasty to somebody, or do something nasty, usually you're like, I'm about to...
It's just like coming, because it's like, when you're about to come, if you want to, this thing, when you watch yourself about to have an orgasm, right, and you watch it build and build and build and build, and eventually it gets to a point where you're going to decide to come, or you can't control it, maybe, and you're going to fucking come, but you can watch it build and build and build, but then when you come, the orgasm is like a mild seizure of joy.
Your body goes through these, like, Your entire body has a reaction, right?
So in the same way, when you start getting angry, It's just like when you're fucking about to come.
It's building and building and building.
And then you're like, you know what?
I'm gonna fucking tell this person how I really fucking feel today.
But you're angry and then all this weird seizure shit happens.
Stuff comes out of your mouth that you don't even mean.
It's like half real, half not real.
But you decide.
You decide when to squeeze the trigger.
It's not something that you don't have control of.
At least mostly.
And people who fool themselves into thinking that they don't have control, those are the ones who, I think, Relegate themselves into the world of being some kind of machine, some kind of like victim-y machine.
The most compelling one, the determinism one, what's compelling about it is that it doesn't exonerate you from your decisions, but what it does say is essentially to think that you are somehow or another Separate from the influence of your life and that the influence of your life hasn't in some way Influenced the way you decide to act and behave and that a lot of those factors that led you influencing the way you act and behavior led to you changing the way you act
to behave are completely out of your control and Almost unavoidable in their impact And that these things shape you in some immeasurable way that you'll never be completely autonomous from.
You'll never be able to completely separate yourself from the influence of your genetics, of your life experiences, of your neighborhood, of your mom or your dad, your upbringing, the developmental period where you may or may not have been ignored or abused or all those factors play a part in how you decide to behave.
And even how you decide to deal with how you decide to behave.
Well, I would do, I mean, so it gets down to this point of decision, right?
So when I look at like a lot of the decisions that I make, they're spontaneous and they're not, I'm not sitting around thinking like, how am I going to turn my steering wheel at this moment as I'm on the interstate?
What mild adjustments am I going to make?
This is all just a kind of spontaneous thing that seems to be part of autopilot.
And I know a lot of people are running on autopilot.
In most of what they do.
But I still don't think that it negates free will.
It's like a...
You could think of your life as a boat.
And everyone's in a different shaped boat.
And the boat's been shaped by experience, genetics, gender...
For a lot of people, it's a raft that's built of different things that they've decided to grab out of the infinite world of phenomena and We're going to hammer together to create some kind of vessel, which is their reality tunnel that they're living in, and they're navigating this fucking raft.
So sure, some people, they might have a boat that is a little more cumbersome and a little more difficult to navigate through the never-ending string of decisions that you have to make if you exist inside of time.
Still, you can.
There's parts of that boat.
I guarantee it, man.
There's parts of your boat that you can revise.
You might not be able to change at all.
You're probably not going to be able to change your skin color.
You're not going to be able to change your...
yet.
People are certainly changing the gender of their fucking boats, you know?
People are doing that right now, and I think as technology continues to advance, We're going to find that we're more crisper.
I think we're going to find we're more and more able to actually change the structure of our boats according to our desire.
But if you really analyze what's going on in your life, you will see that you are actively making decisions from moment to moment.
If you want to say it's your gut biome, if you want to say it's the end of a never-ending series of decisions made by a never-ending string of people...
It's life experiences and it's genetics and it's choices and it's consciousness and it's the willful expression of positive ideas enforcing them on your life and what is the motivation behind that?
Is it your past?
Is it what you've learned?
Is it a fucking inspirational YouTube video you watched this afternoon?
And I think the idea of separating that is akin to the idea of separating us from all of the life that's on this planet.
I think we've done a weird thing with houses and clothes and cars.
We've done a weird thing where we're not touching the world anymore.
We're not touching it with our feet.
We're not touching it with our skin.
We're allergic to a bunch of shit.
We can't get anything on us.
We can't go anywhere near certain animals.
If they touch your skin, you get hives.
There's a bunch of stuff that we've done in separating ourselves from the natural world that's left us really fucking confused.
And I think one of those confusions lies in when we've created civilizations and cities.
We've lost our contact, our physical contact.
We don't have a physical contact.
The physical contact in nature is all playing through the bottom of your boots.
You're breathing it in still.
Do you occasionally touch it?
Yeah, you occasionally brush up against a tree.
But whatever influence these things have through each other in this insane network of interwoven root systems and mycelium and fungus and rotting leaves and animals all around you and all that stuff, You get through a filter now.
All that stuff you get through your car window, all that stuff you get through your clothes...
Do you think, if these scientists are correct, obviously they are, about this interconnection between plants and about how they communicate with each other and about how they even allocate resources to those that are in need, is it fucked up to keep plants?
Is it fucked up to keep something that you decide, no, you're going to leave in this box, man!
You're going to leave in this box right here!
Oh, it's round!
Just keep looking for the outside!
Keep spinning around!
Keep looking!
You know, you're not going to communicate with anybody else because there isn't anybody else.
It's just you.
It's just you, lonely and fucked up, sitting in this pot.
If they're outside, you got a yard, and you dig a hole, and you put your plant in there, and you water it, and it grows, and it's a part of the whole system?
That's like a dog with a yard.
Otherwise, you got a German Shepherd, and you keep him in a fucking little tiny kitchen.
Not just being in a fucking house, Joe, but being inside another universe inside the house.
That is what I like.
And also, guess what?
Because a lot of anti-VR people, they're like, you'll forget about outside.
No.
I go outside, enjoy the sun, enjoy my shitty little garden.
Speaking of fucking cruelty to plants, God forbid you become one of my plants.
May you never be one of my plants.
But I still go out there and I try to keep them alive.
But man, VR is such a beautiful thing because it creates the same, almost the same sense of like, you know, like when you go in a big space and it feels good.
I don't know why, but it could be a shitty warehouse.
But if it's big, if you go into like an expansive plane, you're like, ah, it feels good.
They have this huge courtyard with a huge pine cone, which represents the pineal gland, and these two peacocks that represent eternal life.
Peacocks, apparently, I took that photo.
Um, the, uh, the guide was super psyched when I knew what the pine cone meant.
His eyes lit up and I said, it represents the pineal gland, right?
And he's like, how do you know that?
And then we started talking about Christianity and its potential roots in psychedelic drugs and ancient Roman culture and how, you know, like the John Marco Allegro book, the sacred mushroom and the scroll where he thought that what Christianity was initially was a bunch of stories where they hid these psychedelic rituals in parables and Sure.
To hid it from the Romans.
Because when they were being conquered by the Romans, they didn't want them to know how magical the mushrooms were and that they were a connection to God.
And that the pineal gland, like I forget the actual chemical composition of DMT, or not DMT rather, but mushrooms, but what DMT is, dimethyltryptamine, is in some form, that's what happens to psychedelic mushrooms.
When you're taking psilocybin, I think it's like 4-Fox-4-Haloxy, and I know I'm butchering it, and dimethyltryptamine, but it's some version of dimethyltryptamine is produced when you consume psilocybin mushrooms.
So these guys knew that.
They knew that, and then it was a part of their art.
And it represented that pineal gland, this giant fucking 15-foot-tall pine cone.
Represented what they thought was the seat of the soul.
That's why it's sitting there in this fucking this gigantic tray being held up by angels and shit and whoever those saints were.
Dude, how the fuck did they even climb up there that that's a photo of Hercules that last one?
That's a gigantic bronze Hercules that they buried in the second century They built it in the second century AD, but it got hit by lightning twice and they went this thing's fucking haunted So they buried it they buried it underground.
They didn't find until Wow.
Isn't that amazing?
Dude, the Vatican is a mindfuck.
That floor is 1,700 years old and you walk on it.
Everybody walks on it.
Thousands of people a day walk on a 1,700-year-old mosaic floor.
Every time a Catholic puts money in a bowl, a little bit of that money makes it to that fucking place.
That's the nexus point of dough for one of the world's, one branch of the world's main religions.
That's a fucking, that's just all the money.
People who are like, just at the end of their fucking rope, people who have like $3,000 left in their bank account, but they're like, you know I'm gonna give this to the church because God will bless me.
They give that money to the church and that money goes straight to building a fucking shitty lightning-catching statue.
That's what all the money of people who desperately needed it for actual things has gotten sucked to the Vatican where it's used to build gold thrones that the Pope sits on and talks about the importance of charity.
Everybody think it ends with, of the world, but it doesn't.
It just ends.
And everybody tries to sing of the world, but it doesn't end that way.
Like, there's a funny thing that this guy does on YouTube, where he gets in a car, and he drives people around, they lip-sync, they sing along, like karaoke, rather, they sing along to songs, and they're singing along to the Queen song, We Are The Champions, and it gets to the end, and it's George, um, what the fuck's his name, the actor?
George Clooney, um, Julia Roberts, and, uh, someone else.
I forget who the other person is.
And they're singing along, and it gets to the end, and they all want to say, of the world, and it doesn't say that.
And they're like, what the fuck?
And they're all confused.
And I thought it did too.
Everybody does.
It seems like there's a line that we all collectively decided was missing from that song.
And here's the real question for stand-ups, right?
The question is, when your bits make it on YouTube, like say if you do a Comedy Central special in particular, right, and then your bits make it on YouTube, the more people pirate your stuff, I don't know if you'd call it pirating, but the more they take it and they put it on YouTube, the more people are going to see you, the more people are going to come to see you, the more it's going to be worth It to you to do another Comedy Central special, right?
So it becomes different for us because we kind of exist for the live shows.
Like the live show is the big, big part of what we do, right?
I think in the article he was saying how with a lot of music now, thank God, when you upload it on your YouTube stream, they just get the profits from whatever you're advertising it.
And that's way better than what it used to be.
They need to upgrade the system so this guy gets the same deal he has with Audible anytime somebody listens to the Yeah, I mean, I definitely think that he deserves that for sure.
The way you want to read books is with your feet up on the couch in your mansion, in your virtual world, while all these girls around you, like, finger-bang themselves with high heels on and Queen's fat-bottom girls.
You make the rockin' world go around, plays in the background.
A giant screen wrapped around you that you then can like...
Pull up any kind of movie you might want to watch and so you just like can sit in there and watch and if you look down You see space Yeah, that's it.
Virtual desktop.
Now, the problem with VR, when you look at that, the problem with VR, like people looking at it on the internet, is that you cannot convey how fucking cool it looks from looking at it that way.
But what I'm thinking is, like, would you rather, like, okay, like, there, perfect example.
You're looking at a screen, right?
Clearly a floating screen.
Yeah.
If you watch Jaws and that floating screen, that would not be as good as if you were sitting in your living room and you're looking down and you were on the boat with Roy Schreider.
And when they do things like that, like, will you be able to enjoy other things in that world?
Like, will you be able to go into that world?
Like, here we're in the Swiss Alps, wherever the fuck we are, in a fake world.
Would you be able to go to this place and put on a podcast?
Like, would you be able to, like, look down at your phone, find the Duncan Trestle Family Hour, And start streaming it live on your phone while you're skiing down the side of the virtual hill.
Yeah, look, I mean, look, man, this is like Rick and Morty's video game is accepting that you're in VR. Yeah, there's like...
There's all kinds of shit you could do in there.
Like, for example, man, there's a...
In one of these games called Fantastic Contraption, which is one of the most...
Dude, show split reality Fantastic Contraption.
If you looked at this, where people have managed to put up a green screen and interpolate the two videos so it looks like you're actually in the game, that's the close...
I'll tell you something even better than porn, man.
Uh-oh.
Here's what's really cool about VR that I don't think a lot of people have caught on to.
Maybe a few of them have.
Because the porn, of course, is amazing.
If anything is going to drive VR, and I hope everything drives VR, it's going to be the fucking porn.
Because the porn that is shot for VR is...
Very, very close to experiencing having sex with someone, obviously, minus the body, right?
There's no body there.
There's no body there.
But it's amazing, and it's going to cause a lot of great and hilarious problems.
And I'm excited to hear The outrage that comes from the world when people start realizing that every single person on earth now has access, not just to, in a voyeuristic way, witnessing...
So these guys that are watching it, we're watching this guy who's sitting on this bed, and he looks like he's doing everything to keep from coming in his pants.
He's laughing.
I don't ever watch porn like that.
There's sheer joy in him watching that porn.
What you're talking about is something that's very different than watching a two-dimensional screen.
It's a game changer, and it's one of the many freedoms that virtual reality is offering people.
It's like you were saying, even just watching a movie in 2D, In your virtual reality room, it's pretty awesome.
Maybe you don't have the greatest apartment, right?
But you put on VR goggles, and suddenly your apartment is transformed into a massive, beautiful space.
In the HTC Vive, it comes with VR home, and there's two different versions, but when you go into this space, You feel that same sense of expansiveness that you get from being in a big space.
Your body still feels like it's...
You still feel that weird sense of freedom that you feel when you're in a big space and you're not there.
It's beautiful, man.
It's one of the most liberating, incredible technologies.
I think that some people are giving it a little bit of a hard time right now because they see the game From YouTube, and they think, those graphics look like shit.
But let me tell you, man, do Minecraft and VR. Like, I just, I did Minecraft and VR. I play Minecraft and VR regularly now.
But you do Minecraft and VR, and when suddenly you're perched on the edge of a cliff, looking down on some hyper-colored underground river, Your body initially reacts in the same way it reacts to being at the edge of a real cliff.
Yeah, me doing real archery definitely translated into me playing.
Look up the...
I'm sorry to keep asking you to look up stuff, Jamie.
Look up Archery The Lab VR. This is one of my favorite archery programs.
They also have VR Boxing, which I haven't tried yet, which I'm excited about because that seems like you could really train people to learn how to box.
Let's see.
I don't know if this is...
Yeah, that's a different archery program than the one that...
Look up the Lab...
Fuck, it's Valve.
Look up Valve Archery VR. Oh, there it is.
Yeah, this one's really fucking fun, man.
Yeah, this one is fucking cool.
You just shoot at these little guys who are trying to infiltrate your key.
Well, Fallout is coming for the Vive, which is going to be pretty fucking cool.
But dude, they have like a boxing program that looks like it's still in development, but a fucking box, a real boxing program, because it tracks the controllers perfectly in real time.
Well, that's what's funny about VR, is that right now when people think of a video gamer, You're not going to hear someone say, oh, they're lean and tan, and they have such dexterity.
But now, when you think of someone who's great at VR, you've got to be in fucking shit.
There's the boxing program.
I'm going to download it.
The creators of this seem like they're super cool.
It could be, but it also could be, like, some sort of a robot that has inflatable arms, and the inflatable arms moved with the program, so as you're looking at Apollo Creed in front of you, when he snaps his Jap out at you, pop!
He's throwing this, like, spongy, almost like an inflatable raft...
Balloon arm, you know, like when your little kids inflatable balloon toys, you know, like that.
And what you're gonna see, man, is people are gonna get really good at this shit.
Like, if you're good at shooting in VR, minus, like, the heft of the gun and the real kick of whatever gun in the real world you're using, it's gonna translate.
We are, tomorrow, at Just Floating Pasadena, Zach Leary and I are testing out, I think for the first time, VR in a float tank.
We've got this awesome guy, Dustin, who's helped us...
It helped us build a floating in space program.
So the idea is, can you induce the effect astronauts report when they're floating in space looking down on Earth?
If you put someone in the zero-g or the semi-zero-g of a float tank and give them the impression that they're staring down on planet Earth, And we've got this genius designer who's...
You know, Crash was trying to do something similar a long time ago.
He was developing programs.
He developed a screen.
Crash from the float lab, I should say.
He's one of the big innovators of floating tanks in this country.
He developed a screen that had one of the lowest emissions of light possible.
So that when you'd be lying down in this tank, complete darkness, you would look up at the screen, and the amount of light came out, it was so minuscule that it allowed you to see clearly the images, but didn't show a defined line of a screen.
So you were never removed from this idea that you're floating through the universe, but in front of you all these things were playing out.
And he had this idea...
That you would learn things easier that way like you could watch like a golf documentary or a golf Instructional rather and you could learn like how to swing a golf club properly because you would be seeing it through a first-person perspective well, um Zach's dad Had this idea.
Timothy Leary, I put him on the same level as Galileo.
He was an incredibly brilliant human being.
And a lot of his ideas got lost.
He gets called an LSD propagandist, but there's a lot of other shit he was coming up with.
And one of those was this model.
I think it's the Eight Circuits of Consciousness.
The idea is that Humans are meant to migrate into space.
In the same way different creatures, when they enter into new habitats, they actually change a little bit.
In other words, you take a sea turtle who's laid eggs in the sand, and the first time a little baby sea turtle climbs out of the egg and burrows out of the sand, It's a land creature until it hits water.
And then all of a sudden all this other instinctual shit kicks in and it learns how to be a sea turtle.
More than likely it gets eaten.
Not a lot of them make it.
But the ones that survive become sea turtles, right?
So the idea is that humans are meant for interstellar, for travel in space.
And that if we go into zero-g, Then what could potentially happen are changes in our psyche and maybe even in our genetic makeup.
Like maybe if we go into space long enough, we'll start transforming into some new creature that we were meant to be.
The experience of being in space that he would like to take everybody up there and that you would realize how ridiculous boundaries are and how ridiculous wars are.
If you could see the earth as a whole the way he saw it.
I mean, it's not like Hillary Clinton speaking fees, but if you can get a former US astronaut who went to the moon to sit down and talk to you about the little green men that he might have seen, or the idea that they might exist, Well, you know what, man?
I mean, this is what Terence McKenna always talked about.
He's like, we spend all this money on these telescopes when for however...
Most people won't even sell you DMT. They give it to you.
But just however much it costs for whatever the device you use to inhale the DMT or however much it costs you to get down to wherever the ayahuasca shaman was or whatever it is, you're going to encounter...
Things that seem to have a personality that is not your personality and that they don't have a normal human body.
I was just reading Aleister Crowley last night and he's talking about We use the term angel not because we're saying there's some angel out there, but it's more convenient than saying here is a representation of the higher form of human intelligence that has come in the form of an archetype that our brains translate as an angel.
It's just easier to call it an angel for the sake of just pragmatism because you want to achieve some goal, just call it a fucking angel.
Isn't the idea of a person with no possible way of measuring what something is?
Even if whether you have an experience or not, I have to take your word for it.
I'm assuming you had an experience.
You say it was an angel.
The idea of putting a label on that, a definitive label, like, oh, I definitely met an angel.
How the fuck do you know what an angel is?
How do you know it was an alien?
It was definitely an alien?
You sure it wasn't an angel?
How do you know?
You don't know.
You're guessing.
You don't know what an angel is or an alien is.
As a matter of fact, you shouldn't be able to say those words.
Because you don't even know what the fuck they mean.
Either one of those words, you're just saying nonsense.
And for you to be like super definitive about it, like you're definitely sure that it was an angel.
Or you're definitely sure that it was an alien.
You're crazy.
You don't even know what you saw.
You don't have anything you can bring back.
There's no physical matter where you brought to a scientist and a bunch of peer-reviewed scientists from all around the world studied it and determined that this was actually alien tissue.
And to get caught up in the label is kind of to waste your time, unless you're using the label as something to expedite your ability to recontact that thing, in which case labels are fantastic.
But if you're using the label to say, oh yes, this is definitely an angel, And then you're, like, getting in the most insanely stupid arguments over that, then it's a bit of a waste of time.
But if you have an experience, for example, I don't know, you smoke DMT and you come into contact with a self-transforming machine elf, as Terence McKenna called it.
His art of what he is as a performer, like I'm a big fan of his lectures.
I enjoyed watching him talk.
I enjoyed listening to him talk.
But part of what he was doing was very entertaining.
He had this oddly soothing voice, this brilliant vocabulary.
And one of the things he did in one of these interviews that he did, he was, not interviews, rather, he used to do Q&As with the audience.
They'd ask him questions about psychedelic drugs and things along those lines.
Someone was asking him something, and he said, you know, they were like, well, what can you do, and how do you differentiate, and how do you keep from being arrested?
He goes, well, note, I use big words.
You know, and he's a legitimate scholar, and he's like, if you come up with slogans like, drop out, tune in, like the...
It was interesting because you listen to him and he's obviously incredibly well-educated.
And incredibly knowledgeable about the actual physical compounds of all these different psychedelics and their mechanisms for interaction and the monoamine oxidase inhibitors and all these different things that he's saying.
It causes people who are not that smart to go, okay, I don't know what he's saying.
There's a few people that are they, but those few people that are they, they're bankers and they're industrialists and they're...
The military-industrial complex, the people that are earning money off of wars and controlling resources, if you really think that they are somehow or another actively trying to capture or capture people that are talking openly about psychedelics, they don't have time for that shit.
There's a documentary right now called Dying to Know, which is an amazing movie about Ram Dass and Timothy Leary's friendship, and it sort of follows the scope of their lives together.
Do you think, looking at all this virtual reality, and this is something I explored, I did a single podcast the other day with just me answering questions.
And somebody asked about the Fermi Paradox, and it really made me think about it even more, and I've been thinking about it since then.
Do you think it's possible that civilizations never get to travel through space because they get to this thing?
They realize that the real juice is in virtual.
Like, why do you have to, like, physically traverse between one galaxy to another when you could figure out a way through technology and ultimately through artificial intelligence creating infinitely more complex artificial reality that we're going to never travel, that all of our travel is going to be done internally.
I think that that is a great response to the Fermi Paradox.
And I think that our addiction to the idea that we are our body is going to be something that fades away over time and that we stop having this concept that I'm localized in my, that my, you know, We live in a world where people believe that all they are is their body.
They think, I am my physical body.
That's it.
That's what I am.
That's the sum total of me.
Inside, outside.
Inside, body.
Outside, everything else.
Even though what we were talking about earlier, We know that we're inextricably woven in to the fabric of every single thing.
So really, your body is one part of the infinite universe.
And right now, you have become completely fixated on it.
You think it's you.
So VR, you put VR on, first thing that happens, which is one of my favorite things, is you'll hold your...
You'll hold your hand up in front of your face, right?
But with VR, apparently people have tried it for some reason.
They can't do that.
There's no way to bring the Cookie Monster to fuck the Cookie Monster in VR. Put a man on the moon, we could fuck the Cookie Monster.
Absolutely, man.
You could do that.
You could definitely do that, but it's kind of like something about the Philosophical implication of not having a body, even if it's being induced by technology, I'm sure you've taken a high enough dose of something where you merge into the universe and you feel like you don't have a self anymore.
So to imagine being able to induce that with VR so that now you've removed the thing that you've been identifying with your entire life, your body as yourself, And there's just a blank space, yet consciousness remains.
Even though you know you have a body, when you take the goggles off, you know it's there.
As time passes when you're wearing this shit, you begin to forget about there.
You begin to forget about the external world.
And when you finally do take the goggles off, it's like, oh, oh, fuck.
Well, that's the same thing that happens in some ways when you get in a tank.
When you're in the tank with no VR technology, you sometimes have experiences where you go into like a dream state and you think things are happening that aren't really happening.
And then you wake up out of them and you're in the tank.
And they happen in a crazy vivid way because you don't have any sensory...
Input.
If you have a dream, you're still feeling the bed.
Most of the time, you're out of that stage and you're in this dream dimension.
But if for some reason you moved a little bit and you hit your pillow or your foot touched the nightstand or something like that, you're going to snap out of it.
When you're in that goddamn tank, you don't feel anything.
One thing I really hope people do is, and I was thinking about doing this, man, but I always think about doing things like this.
I never do it, so maybe one of you guys out there will do it.
Bringing this shit to old senior citizens' homes and letting people who haven't experienced it, who are maybe not going to be in this dimension much longer, have a chance to see what's going on.
Because I think it'd be a great service for people.
People who are like paraplegics in hospitals to bring this technology to them and to let them experience, you know, the freedom for a little while of the confines of their hospital rooms.
When you – there's so many weirdly anti-VR people, man.
I don't know if I was, but I'll tell you, it's going to be one of the most powerful therapeutic tools that's ever existed.
Just what it's going to be able to do.
You hear about, there was a great...
I think it was a Vice article.
I can't remember which article about a guy who has to program the music that people listen to during the mushroom studies that they're doing.
Like, what playlist do you play for someone who's undergoing psychedelic therapy, right?
But this tool for psychedelic therapy, like the ability to...
There's a program.
Oh, my God.
When you come over, I can't wait to show you this.
It's called Sound Self.
Sound Self.
And what it is is...
You put these goggles on and headphones that have a microphone on and you chant into the thing, right?
So you're like, oh, and it takes, that's it.
I mean, again, this stuff is, it takes that.
Responds to the sounds you're making and then plays it back through your headphones so you hear your voice being transformed and replaced as like deeper or lower.
But what I wanted to say was it's a fascinating thing because I never would have imagined that we would get to know each other better and deeper and more intensely by doing podcasts together where the whole world could hear it.
I mean, you and I have had some crazy fucking conversations alone, in private, just you and I just talking about stuff for hours and hours.
But there's something crazy about doing these like this.
We're doing them live, and then we're putting them out.