July 27, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| And totally. | ||
| 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Da-da-da! | ||
| Jeremy motherfuckin' Stevens! | ||
| What's up, buddy? | ||
| Good to see you, man. | ||
| Yeah, you too, man. | ||
| Thanks for having me back. | ||
| My pleasure, brother. | ||
| What's crackin'? | ||
| I just see skulls, you know. | ||
| Skulls are cracking. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| You're coming off of a fucking gigantic victory, man, over Hennon Burau, who was, just a little while ago, consensus top three pound-for-pound fighter in the world, man. | ||
| That was a big victory. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think that was before USADA, you know, coming in. | ||
| I feel like it's on level playing fields, and you kind of wonder who would be champions. | ||
| For people who don't know what we're talking about, USADA, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, was hired by the UFC to clean up the sport, and goddamn bodies are dropping. | ||
| Massive, dude. | ||
| Massive bodies are dropping. | ||
| I watched a documentary on... | ||
| The cyclist, Lance Armstrong. | ||
| Lance Armstrong, yeah. | ||
| And just watch how that guy just lied and manipulated his way. | ||
| And people were just calling the smoke a long time before that. | ||
| And then here comes Nowitzki, who's a pretty scary dude. | ||
| If you ever met him, nice as could be. | ||
| Very nice guy. | ||
| Awesome dude, but he means business, man. | ||
| He does mean business. | ||
| He's trying to catch the cheaters, and I'm actually happy because I've always taken pride in being a natural man. | ||
| If I feel like you need to start pumping steroids, maybe it's time for you to get out. | ||
| But I love it. | ||
| Well, Lance Armstrong's defense, that entire sport was dirty. | ||
| That's a different sport. | ||
| It's really crazy because all the years he won, they took his titles away, right? | ||
| And while he still has all those... | ||
| He's been on the podcast. | ||
| I talked to him. | ||
| He's a good dude, man. | ||
| But he was in a bad spot. | ||
| If they took his title away and they gave it to the next person that didn't test positive, it'd be 18th place. | ||
| That's how dirty that sport is. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| That's a dirty, dirty, dirty sport. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was asking him, I was like, well, what... | ||
| You know, he doesn't know what they're doing today. | ||
| But I'm like, well, how are they doing it today if they're still breaking records? | ||
| He's like... | ||
| We'll find out one day. | ||
| We'll find out eventually. | ||
| You know, one day they're gonna figure out what the fuck these people are doing. | ||
| But Nowitzki was explaining all the weird little loopholes that people are finding, like testosterone supplementation that comes from animals instead of from wild yams. | ||
| Did you know that that's how they catch them? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, I've heard of people doing stuff like that, but, I mean, that just seems insane. | ||
| I mean, last time we were on the show, you were talking about how somebody was pulling out their blood and refrigerating it, and it was that doping, basically, like EPO. Well, that is still going on. | ||
| That's definitely still going on. | ||
| And apparently, the way they're supposed to be able to test that, like, you're not supposed to use an IV, right? | ||
| And the reason why you're not supposed to use an IV is that somehow or another, through intravenous fluids, you can mask the effects of doping. | ||
| So they also have been able to detect minuscule plastic particles from the tubes that they use to put IV fluids back in your body. | ||
| They've been able to detect those, apparently, but no one's ever been caught for that. | ||
| So that's what they would do. | ||
| They would either use blood, that's your own blood, or in Lance Armstrong's case, a lot of the people were taking EPO, which makes your body produce more blood. | ||
| But I think guys to this day are probably still putting blood back into their body. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| It gives you an advantage, you know? | ||
| That's kind of scary. | ||
| You know, I mean, you cut drastic weight and then you're pulling blood and then, you know, with everything going on. | ||
| Well, I know a dude that walked into a fighter's dressing room, not dressing room, hotel room, and they had bags of blood in the hotel room. | ||
| They pulled his blood out so he could make weight. | ||
| Yeah, you were telling me that last time. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Yeah, that's freaky. | ||
| That's freaky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that's not sanitary. | ||
| You're not in a hospital. | ||
| You're in some hotel room where people have been farting and shooting loads all over the place. | ||
| Who knows what the fuck? | ||
| Shit all over the wall. | ||
| You're just going to fucking take your blood out in that environment? | ||
| Like, that's creepy, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You said that was like a long time ago, too. | ||
| Yeah, that was a long time ago. | ||
| Well, people have been, they've been definitely cheating forever. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But now, we're seeing the effects of it. | ||
| Like, people's physiques are changing, the way they fight is changing, the way they look. | ||
| Their jaw. | ||
| Yeah, everything about them. | ||
| Their attitude, like, their confidence. | ||
| Like, some of these guys, like, they're becoming different human beings. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I... The level playing field, people are getting knocked out, you know, their bodies are changing, and they're seeing that their fight styles, guys are going undefeated, and just all these rampages, you're like, man, he must be in great shape, he's just killing it in the fifth round, and now he can't get past round one, two, you know, and you're just like, wow. | ||
| Yeah, in the end, technique is king, right? | ||
| Technique and training and heart and courage. | ||
| Cardio. | ||
| And cardio, yeah. | ||
| You look at a guy like Mighty Mouse, where he fought Bogutinov. | ||
| And Bagutinov, he out-cardioed the guy, beat his ass, especially going into the stretch, was just completely outworking him. | ||
| And at the end of the fight, Bagutinov pops hot for EPO. Yep. | ||
| So even though this guy was on drugs, Mighty Mouse's technique and cardio and just his ability to understand how to pace himself through a five-round fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, Mighty Mouse, he's interesting. | ||
| I know you've been a big fan of him, and I've always enjoyed watching that guy. | ||
| I mean, I can't fight like that guy, but to watch some of his techniques and the way he uses angles and footwork and how he lures you in in his clinch game is nasty. | ||
| He's insane. | ||
| That dude's just nasty. | ||
| You know, I wonder, and maybe you could give some insight on this. | ||
| Like, you used to fight at 155, and now you've got a cut to get down to 145. You're a pretty big guy. | ||
| But Mighty Mouse is not a big guy. | ||
| And I always wonder, like... | ||
| Could a guy, like, could a light heavyweight or a middleweight even, could they possibly even fight like him? | ||
| Or is that a gravity thing? | ||
| Like, is part of what's going on with him the fact that he's so light? | ||
| Like, he can move faster. | ||
| He's got, like, more options as far as, like, what he can do. | ||
| Some people are blessed with a better integrated in their body, such as a neutral spine. | ||
| A lot of people have lumbar problems and neutral spine. | ||
| You ever watch Mayweather? | ||
| You don't ever see him leaning. | ||
| He's just always in constantly good posture and good position. | ||
| And just like in wrestling, if you're in good position, more than likely you're going to win the fight. | ||
| Mighty Mouse, he just has that type of movement and integrates his whole body, where his body moves as one. | ||
| It doesn't work against him. | ||
| There's not a lot of rattle in his body. | ||
| Say if he throws a kick, He doesn't land awkward. | ||
| He goes right back to a neutral base and he's able to laterally move and constantly have his body working for him. | ||
| So I think him naturally, he just has that type of gifts and benefits of his body. | ||
| He's able to integrate his body to work as one. | ||
| Therefore, you don't waste a lot of energy. | ||
| He has really fluid movement. | ||
| Look at a guy like Anderson Silva. | ||
| He's able to beat people just by keeping his range and just his movement of his body. | ||
| He doesn't swing like a Mark Hunt or me where I'll throw a lot of powers. | ||
| Normally, I miss. | ||
| I'm just trying to reach him, but them guys, they just use fluid movement. | ||
| I think some people are just blessed to have that integrated in their body, in a good neutral spine, in a good solid base. | ||
| And that's why they're able to connect on their shots a lot more, as can be disconnected. | ||
| Say like a short circuit, if there's like a small little detail, like this cord right here, say it's like broken, and you're not getting the full amount of energy, as where if you have a solid base and a good spine, you know how to integrate your body to use as one, there's going to be a lot more of a sturdier connection and more flow and fluid movement. | ||
| I'm glad you brought that up, because I've always thought that about efficiency, that efficiency is very important, and there are fighters that you see wasted movement or a lot of slop into the way they execute techniques, and even if they have power, sometimes they're so awkward with the way they do it that you've got to think that there's a lot of waste as far as the energy expenditure. | ||
| You said blessed, so you think that that's a natural ability? | ||
| I think some of it occurs that some people are able to integrate their body. | ||
| If you ever just look up people's postures, some people just kind of, they'll slouch, they'll kind of bend over, and it's posture, and this thing's kind of actually... | ||
| Is it popping out? | ||
| Yeah, it's popping out. | ||
| It always does. | ||
| We've got to tape that down, Jamie. | ||
| And, you know, like you said, it's a lot of wasted movement as some people are just more integrated with their body, so they are a lot more efficient. | ||
| You know, granted, then you've got to have the skills, the cardio and everything else, but I feel like if you have a good base and plus the fight skills, I feel like you're going to be a lot more efficient and probably have longevity in your career as well with injuries and stuff. | ||
| Do you think that that's from childhood? | ||
| Like, I've always wondered, like, there's some children that start off doing, like, gymnastics, or, like, there's been a lot of guys in jiu-jitsu that have gotten into it that come from breakdancing, which is kind of interesting. | ||
| These are real recent. | ||
| We've seen a lot of guys. | ||
| But that ability to move your body, like, at a young age, you develop, like, a real sense of... | ||
| I want to add just coordination, you know, just dexterity, so many different attributes that you develop when you're young and then your body grows into it. | ||
| Yeah, it's intuition. | ||
| You know, once you feel it, like I work with a movement guy, Functional Patterns, for a long time. | ||
| I learned how to integrate my body. | ||
| And to not waste movement and, you know, to activate my core, my glutes, my groin, all the way to, like, my feet being on my two toes. | ||
| If you ever notice, people walk, like, duck-footed and stuff like that. | ||
| It's, like, all problems in their hips. | ||
| That's why you see, like, a lot of – so you have, like, foam rollers and stuff. | ||
| People roll out. | ||
| But, you know, once you release myofascial, there's corrective exercises you can do to kind of reprogram your mind that you've been working on such a dysfunction you may not even know it. | ||
| And there's ways, too, that you can integrate your body and neurologically reprogram your mind of, like, you know, this is how I should be walking. | ||
| This is how I should be integrating my body. | ||
| And this helps out with posture and breathing. | ||
| You know, the Iceman Huff, like, says a lot of stuff about this. | ||
| And it's real interesting facts to know because this is for everybody. | ||
| People work down at a desk, slouching over, typing all the time. | ||
| Got tight hip flexors. | ||
| They're leaning, poor diet. | ||
| You know, it, like... | ||
| This goes to anybody, you know, to learn how to integrate your body, power of posture. | ||
| And this guy, Nadia Aguilar from Functional Patterns, really, he taught me a lot about this and movement and integrating your body. | ||
| And it just goes real deep. | ||
| Well, that's a controversial subject, right? | ||
| Movement coaches. | ||
| There's a lot of people that get involved with movement coaches, and some people mock it, and some people say, well, you should just be spending that time working on your fight training and your abilities, your skill set, and then just do cardio and explosive exercises. | ||
| And then some people say, no, that's good too, but the ability to move efficiently in odd ways and carry your balance. | ||
| Now, your guy, you said it's functional patterns, that's what they call it? | ||
| Yeah, you know, Conor McGregor's been doing a lot of stuff with movement, and it's pretty good. | ||
| That's great movement. | ||
| With Ido Portal? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That guy's a freak. | ||
| Have you ever seen him move? | ||
| Yes, but here's what he lacks. | ||
| He lacks integrating your body. | ||
| He doesn't understand the integration part, as where Nadia Aguilar with Functional Patterns, he teaches you how to kind of just sit still, integrate your body, and just hold these positions where I'm just standing still or on my toes without... | ||
| A lumbar extension or if I'm slouching, he keeps a neutral spine throughout his whole movement. | ||
| So he's using his body as one and he has a little bit more of an integrated system as compared to just no one who knows even how to have a base and you just go into this movement and you're doing it all wrong while you're having lumbar or you're slouching. | ||
| He believes in integrating that technique so your body works, like you said, more efficiently instead of working against you. | ||
| Well, why do you think that Conor's doing it wrong? | ||
| What leads you to think that? | ||
| Just by his posture. | ||
| You can watch his posture or watch his knee if his knee goes over his toe in like a certain movement or he has like a lumbar in his spine as compared if you watch like a Nadia Aguilar, he'll teach you how to do that same type of movement. | ||
| But you'll see the little minor details and little millimeters of a difference that makes you integrate your body so that your glutes are working with your core. | ||
| As you walk in, everybody just does these deadlifts and it's not like a good rotation. | ||
| As humans, we rotate, we walk. | ||
| In fighting, we move. | ||
| And he integrates everything as far as your core to your growing to being on your power two toes. | ||
| We keep saying that power two toes. | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| Say how you punch on your main two fingers. | ||
| The two knuckles that are index finger and then the ring finger, right? | ||
| Yep, and you know how you have like arches on your feet and you're kind of walking like, look at my hands, and you're walking like that on the outside? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| So then if I'm walking on the outside, my knees like this, say this is good. | ||
| So now I'm integrating everything up to my groin, my glute activated, but if I'm walking on the outside, your knee's gonna, your outer part of your knee's gonna be taking more of the load and the damage. | ||
| You know, then you're not integrating, you're growing, and that's how people end up actually... | ||
| Is this the guy? | ||
| This is him. | ||
| Functional Patterns. | ||
| Functional Patterns. | ||
| And what is his background? | ||
| You know, the guy's just a freak, dude. | ||
| He knows a little bit about everything. | ||
| And right here, you notice he doesn't really have any lumbar extension, which is like a lower back thing. | ||
| Everything is really integrated, and it's minor details in the core. | ||
| And he's not shrugging his shoulders. | ||
| He's using fluid movement, and everything that he does is rotational. | ||
| What is his name again? | ||
| Naughty Aguilar. | ||
| Where is he out of? | ||
| He's out of Seattle. | ||
| I met him in San Diego some years back. | ||
| We worked a lot. | ||
| First, we had to fix my body a lot. | ||
| I was having elbow problems. | ||
| I was having all types of problems. | ||
| He taught me about myofascial release, and then I got into correctional exercises. | ||
| Once he was able to fix my base, I was able to start moving and getting into movements like this. | ||
| So what we're looking at, folks, for the folks that are just listening, is this guy doing all these crazy movements with kettlebells and dumbbells and jumping around back and forth and doing all these flips through the air right now. | ||
| Really interesting stuff, though. | ||
| See how his feet land and they don't bow out? | ||
| They don't do this? | ||
| And I've watched Idol, I think that's his name, and there's just these little details that he doesn't have that he has and that he integrates. | ||
| Where his knees don't sway out. | ||
| Everything is seriously in a functional pattern. | ||
| He doesn't muscle anything to where you're lifting. | ||
| Everything is a fluid movement. | ||
| He's allowing the swing, almost like a cheat, to allow your body to rotate. | ||
| It's It's really changed my life working with this guy and the things that I've learned and the deficiencies in my body that I really wasn't aware of back then that I'm working with now. | ||
| I've been fighting for a long time and I've been able to keep healthy and injury free by doing a lot of these movements, myofascial release and working on my posture, breathing. | ||
| People who are doing sprints at night, your nervous system is still in a flight or flight mode and you can't fall asleep. | ||
| There's such things as breathing to help that out. | ||
| You've been here with Iceman Huff and hear his stuff. | ||
| Breathing is huge. | ||
| I've learned a lot through this guy, actually. | ||
| What you're saying is that doing sprints at night is not a good idea? | ||
| No, it is, but I'm talking about... | ||
| You have to figure out a way to calm yourself down. | ||
| Yeah, and that's by breathing. | ||
| Some people are like, man, I can't sleep at night, but I ran. | ||
| It's like, okay, well, you can do that by breathing. | ||
| And just kind of calming your nervous system down so that you can get that recovery. | ||
| Because if not, you fall asleep, your body still thinks it's in fight or flight mode and that they're still sprinting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| As where you're able, if you're able to breathe, calm yourself down, you get better sleep, better rest recovery, and the hormones are going to take over your body and repair it. | ||
| What I think about these things is obviously this guy is very impressive. | ||
| I like the way he's moving. | ||
| He's obviously very athletic and very coordinated. | ||
| And you see when he throws punches and kicks, he obviously has a martial arts background as well. | ||
| There's some of these guys, though, I equate it to yoga. | ||
| There's a lot of real yoga people out there that are really good at yoga, and they are dedicated to it, and it's super important to them. | ||
| And then there's the fuckers that are fuckery. | ||
| There's just... | ||
| There's a lot of those. | ||
| They're fake spiritual people, and they talk a lot of the yoga nonsense, but they're really just fucking weirdos. | ||
| And I see that a lot in these movement coaches, too. | ||
| Like, I've talked to a few of them, and they're like, eh, okay, I... I smell fuckery. | ||
| There's something going on. | ||
| It's a weird gig. | ||
| To do that for a living? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| I teach functional movement. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I show people how to move. | ||
| I know how to move. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| He was never considered a movement coach. | ||
| He was never really considered a strength conditioning coach. | ||
| I went with him with pain management and then it got into correctional exercises. | ||
| This guy, he's actually had Iceman Huff come hang out with him. | ||
| He's went and seen The guy with the Venus Project. | ||
| I mean, this guy, he's smart, been all over. | ||
| I mean, he kind of does it all. | ||
| He's really self-sufficient. | ||
| He has a really good brain and knowledge. | ||
| He's not one of them, like, fuckery guys. | ||
| I mean, me and him had our issues and stuff before, but we're cool. | ||
| But he's not one of them guys, but I know exactly what you're talking about. | ||
| There's a lot of people in this business, MMA business. | ||
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I'm sure you've dealt with a lot of... | |
| A lot of them, they see the Ido Portals and the Move Nat guys. | ||
| They see these guys that are successful working with guys like Carlos Condor to you. | ||
| And then I see a few of these guys that are trying to be one of these guys. | ||
| But this guy looks fucking legit as hell. | ||
| You can tell by the way he's moving. | ||
| That is a really athletic guy. | ||
| Yeah, I don't go around doing touch-butt shit in fights. | ||
| I mean, I stick to what I know, but it is good to learn how to use pain management to stay healthy, myofascial release, and integrate your body so that you are working efficiently and you're not working against yourself. | ||
| I mean, it's awesome to go through these workouts that I do now. | ||
| I mean, I have a different strength conditioning coach, and we stick to a lot of these functional movements, athletic movements, explosive movements, and we do it with a good integrated system to where You know, if I go and I'm banging on this tire and I'm just recklessly, and then I wake up in the morning, I'm like, fuck, man, I gotta spar. | ||
| I'm feeling like crap. | ||
| I mean, it's good to have your body working efficiently, using the right things that need to be used instead of having all the small muscle groups working. | ||
| You know, that's how you get injured these days. | ||
| Yeah, I was reading this post once on a forum. | ||
| I think it might have been the underground where someone was talking about lifting weights and how all their bad sparring sessions come after lifting weights. | ||
| Like, yeah, duh. | ||
| Like, you probably shouldn't be sparring after you lift up. | ||
| Like, dudes are talking about doing, like, mega squats and deadlifts and power benching and then trying to stay loose and fluid. | ||
| It's not going to happen. | ||
| Your tissue's all broken down, and you're exhausted, and it's really a bad idea to spar when you're like that, because then, you know, well, what about mental toughness? | ||
| Well, you're not going to learn. | ||
| Your body's all fucked up. | ||
| You're supposed to be resting. | ||
| Or if you're doing anything, you should be doing, like, light drilling. | ||
| But something where you're forced to react quickly and move, that's a good way to get injured, right? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You know, people do that all the time. | ||
| You hear about these guys... | ||
| Getting injured all the time and you know just being self-sufficient learning about little stuff like this could could help you out you know such as things as just a little bit of foam rolling out and then a little bit of correctional exercises that could just help you out a lot more efficiently and there's no I mean I've gotten in arguments where I've went out to Arizona to see some of my friends that ended up leaving Alliance and you know I got into an argument a little bit like a battle this guy's like trying to tell me to I need to widen my base to do this and I'm like we're in a fight that I'm gonna be you know Ten feet, | ||
| my feet are this far apart. | ||
| I'm like, no, bro. | ||
| I got to be within... | ||
| I can be able to rotate, move. | ||
| If I'm spreading my legs out, that ain't doing nothing for me. | ||
| I see a lot of people doing a lot of meathead stuff. | ||
| Yeah, well, isn't it interesting because it's kind of an open-ended thing when you're a fighter. | ||
| Because I see these guys trying all this different stuff, and there's no right or wrong way. | ||
| Like, here's a perfect example. | ||
| There's Robbie Lawler, who's a world champion, bad motherfucker, and then there's Steven Wonderboy Thompson. | ||
| Totally different stance, totally different way of moving, both guys super successful, and who fucking knows what would happen if they fought? | ||
| We really don't know until they fight, right? | ||
| But if Wonderboy met Robbie, he's like, oh man, you're doing it all wrong. | ||
| If he's trying to coach him, but obviously he's not doing it all wrong. | ||
| He's a world champion. | ||
| He's not doing it all wrong. | ||
| He's doing it perfect, but is it the best way, ultimately? | ||
| You don't know, and you won't ever know until those two guys go at it. | ||
| And here's what's even crazier. | ||
| He might beat Wonderboy, but Wonderboy might be able to beat a guy that can beat him. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I live that life. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird, right? | ||
| It is insane. | ||
| We were just watching Holly Holm. | ||
| Yes, and Shevchenko out there. | ||
| She gets beat by Misha Tate, and then she beats Ronda Rousey. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Ronda Rousey fought the perfect fight for Holly. | ||
| Like, charging at her, and Holly's a great counter-striker. | ||
| Whereas Shevchenko, if you watch that fight, she did not lead at all. | ||
| She just hung back and waited and forced Holly into her game. | ||
| And, you know, it was just a bad night for Holly. | ||
| I'm sure she'll be back, but... | ||
| It's interesting tactically, and if you look at it from a strategic standpoint, like utilizing your skills to the best of your ability, when you're inside the octagon, figuring out what about what you do matches really good against what she does. | ||
| And Shevchenko just nailed it. | ||
| She figured it out. | ||
| Crazy, man. | ||
| That's a fight game. | ||
| It is a fight game. | ||
| It's a crazy game, man. | ||
| And it's interesting to see people jumping from one trainer to the other and just looking for that. | ||
| And it's almost like you've got a certain amount of time. | ||
| It's like you're playing musical chairs. | ||
| It's like, how much do you got in your career? | ||
| You got maybe like a good, solid... | ||
| If you really take care of yourself, you got like 15 years. | ||
| Unless you're Dan Anderson. | ||
| That guy's a man, dude. | ||
| Dude, he's fighting for the fucking title. | ||
| He's gonna fight Bisping for the title in London. | ||
| That's gonna be madness. | ||
| And he says if he wins, he's gonna retire. | ||
| Done. | ||
| Mic drop. | ||
| Walk away. | ||
| Carry out. | ||
| The one thing that he hasn't been able to do is win the UFC gold. | ||
| But look, man. | ||
| He's got as good a shot as anybody. | ||
| You watch that Lombard fight. | ||
| Yeah, I did. | ||
| I was there live. | ||
| I couldn't believe it, dude. | ||
| I was going nuts. | ||
| I've been a fan of his for so long. | ||
| He's such an awesome guy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Real quiet, chill, and just an amazing guy, dude. | ||
| Just a hard worker. | ||
| I mean, it's awesome to see that. | ||
| Did you see his Instagram post after he won? | ||
| He had an American flag on that said, Smoke that Cuban. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Dude, that was crazy. | ||
| I mean, Lombard's a scary dude. | ||
| He dropped him, and I'm like, fuck, you know? | ||
| I'm like, dude, he's getting dropped. | ||
| I'm like, no. | ||
| Well, Henderson hurt him first. | ||
| Henderson hurt him first, and he moved in for the kill, but Lombard wasn't done. | ||
| And Lombard cracked him, and Lombard had him on the ground, had him inside control. | ||
| It looked bad. | ||
| And then the way he knocked him out, too, was so crazy with that back elbow. | ||
| Yeah, instincts, man. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah, no one's ever done that before. | ||
| No one's ever knocked anybody. | ||
| I mean, he was dead before he hit the ground. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No one's ever knocked anybody out with a standing back elbow. | ||
| You know, he's going to follow up with a couple blows. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah, you got to pull him off. | ||
| Lombard's a scary dude. | ||
| You know, I was down at ATT one time helping out Jorge Masvidal, and they were like, hey, whatever you do, just don't spar Lombard. | ||
| I'm like, that guy's way bigger than me. | ||
| Like, he would spar you? | ||
| He'd be like, yeah, he may try to ask you to spar him. | ||
| Don't spar him. | ||
| You know, he just comes in and he's just a tank, you know? | ||
| And I'm like, fuck, dude. | ||
| I'm not trying to spar that guy, you know? | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| He's a freak athlete, man. | ||
| Him and Yoel Romero. | ||
| Like, I don't know what kind of rice and beans they were feeding him down in Cuba. | ||
| Them good rice and beans, dude. | ||
| Those guys are freaks, dude. | ||
| Have you seen the new photos, the most recent photos of Husamar Palhares? | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He was grappling, dude. | ||
| He was just looking... | ||
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Jesus! | |
| Fucking Christ! | ||
| He looks like he's 250 pounds! | ||
| Dude, if that guy tripped and fell, I would just seriously just run out the room, dude. | ||
| Like, fuck that, dude. | ||
| There's no way, man. | ||
| I mean, those guys are tapping before, dude. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't matter. | ||
| He just tears your shit apart. | ||
| That's insane, man. | ||
| He's so fucking thick right now. | ||
| He's only like 5'7", and he's probably, no bullshit, 230 pounds. | ||
| He's enormous right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God bless him, dude. | ||
| That guy's scary, man. | ||
| Well, now that he's not testing, look at him right there. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| I mean, that's a legitimate 225 pounds at 5'7". | ||
| 5'7". | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm way bigger than it, man. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| I mean, dude, I'm short. | ||
| I'm 5'8", and I'm taller than that dude. | ||
| But he's like a foot wider than me. | ||
| Yeah, and you get after it. | ||
| I see you on the Onnits and always getting after it. | ||
| You know, maybe after I retire from fighting, I'm just going to get on the juice and just look like that. | ||
| Just get jacked. | ||
| Teach class. | ||
| Just do fucking strongman competitions. | ||
| Ankle locks all day. | ||
| Carry cars and shit. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| You ever get caught under a car, Paul Harris might be the guy that you want right there. | ||
| Yeah, he's ridiculously big right now. | ||
| Yeah, that's definitely steroids. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| You don't gain that much weight. | ||
| I mean, the last time he fought was like a year ago, and he was fighting at 170. Yeah. | ||
| And now, I mean, obviously a lot of guys that fight 170, they really weigh the 190s, somewhere around there, and then they cut weight to get down to 170, but that is just gigantic. | ||
| Yeah, dude, that's too much, man. | ||
| He's a fucking awesome jujitsu player, too. | ||
| It's not just strong. | ||
| He's got some serious, legit technique. | ||
| Yeah, my guy who gave me my purple belt, Dean Lister, you know, he's been still going at it and competing. | ||
| I know he just lost and everything, but... | ||
| Dean's outstanding. | ||
| Dean's very good. | ||
| Dude, he's a big dude, but he rolls like a little guy. | ||
| And he's just freakishly strong, man. | ||
| Yeah, he's very smart. | ||
| Dean knows a lot about jiu-jitsu. | ||
| And he's one of the reasons why, you know, the whole John Donaher, Henzo Gracie team got so good at leg locks. | ||
| A lot of that was the influence of Dean Lister. | ||
| Dean Lister went down there and did some training with them. | ||
| And Dean has been a leg lock master from the old days. | ||
| Like, he was one of those guys that was leg locking people in the early days of Abu Dhabi. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Back in the early 2000s, you know? | ||
| When people, like, the leg lock game... | ||
| Has shifted over the last few years, and it's become incredibly dominant. | ||
| There's so many guys that are winning. | ||
| Like, jujitsu has become a largely like a game of like 60, maybe even more percent leg locks. | ||
| Especially no game. | ||
| Like the Eddie Cummins, Gary Tonin, all these guys from John Donahue's camp. | ||
| There's so many guys down there that are just really talented at attacking legs. | ||
| Yeah, not a lot of people like that. | ||
| It's a sophisticated game. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, when you start playing with the legs, you know. | ||
| Scary. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
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| Yeah, nobody likes getting crippled. | ||
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No. | |
| But, you know, like Eddie Bravo had a really good point. | ||
| He's like, well, is it okay if someone yanks on your neck? | ||
| Is it okay if someone breaks your arm? | ||
| Like, what is the difference? | ||
| Like, you just gotta tap before you get fucked up. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Which is easier said than done. | ||
| If Paul Harris is on there, you tap all day, but that guy is ripping it, dude. | ||
| Yeah, he is tearing people's knees apart. | ||
| Yeah, that's kind of bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, well it's definitely bullshit when people tap, right? | ||
| It is definitely bullshit when people tap. | ||
| Do you think there's anything that should be changed about the current rules? | ||
| Like if you look at MMA rules, like the way they stand right now, like there's some people that think that the knees on the ground issue, if you don't know the story, MMA has a rule where you can knee someone to the head if they're standing, but if they put one hand on the ground, you can't knee them in the head. | ||
| So a lot of guys will put a hand on the ground just to stop the knee, and then they'll lift it up, and then they'll put it down. | ||
| They play almost like a game of like, now I'm safe. | ||
| Remember old-school wrestling? | ||
| You could hold onto the rope, and they would let go of a hold. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Remember? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The old ten-count stuff, like all that. | ||
| Didn't they have that in, like, Pancrase, too? | ||
| Where in Pancrase, if someone was holding on to a submission, you could grab the rope, and they would let go of a submission? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've never really watched too much Pancrase. | ||
| I feel like that was a rule. | ||
| Like, oh, I'm safe. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think there was something about that, where if you grabbed ahold of the ropes, they had to let go. | ||
| Nah, I think that's a good rule. | ||
| I mean, I actually just watched the fights over the weekend. | ||
| Darren Elkins, he just got kneed hard in the temple. | ||
| He was a fucking shot. | ||
| Illegal knee. | ||
| Illegal knee, yeah. | ||
| And then the guy punches him after and he like falls down. | ||
| I'm like, no way, that was an illegal knee. | ||
| And then, you know, he just shakes it off, comes back and ends up beating the guy. | ||
| Darren's an animal. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| He's a fucking animal. | ||
| I fought that guy. | ||
| He's tough, dude. | ||
| He takes some shots, you know? | ||
| Tough as nails. | ||
| He keeps coming. | ||
| Yeah, it's like you hit him, he's like a Chris Lieben, he just gets more fired up and keeps coming at you, you know? | ||
| But, you know, as far as those rules, I think that's kind of fair. | ||
| I mean, unless, you know... | ||
| I don't think UFC Fox wants to see people getting head stomped in their pride rules. | ||
| You know damn well them guys were juicing over there, so they're just taking people down. | ||
| If that was the case, I'd just go juice up, take people down, and start soccer kicking people all day. | ||
| That's scary. | ||
| Imagine somebody standing over you, and then you're just like, fuck, this guy's trying to stomp me out. | ||
| That's a scary thought to be thinking. | ||
| I don't know if I don't even want to be fighting. | ||
| But do you think that if it was legal, That you wouldn't think that way? | ||
| I mean, think all the stuff that you can do inside the octagon. | ||
| You know, think all the techniques that you do land. | ||
| Like, you know, that knee that you landed on Dennis Bermudez, that's about as powerful a knee as you could hit a dude with. | ||
| On the ground, standing up, no matter where. | ||
| I mean, that's a goddamn perfect knee you land on him. | ||
| That was pretty fucking spectacular. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| But if that wasn't legal... | ||
| And then you did that, everybody would be like, oh shit, that shouldn't be legal. | ||
| Perfect example is the Cyborg Santos-Michael Page fight. | ||
| Michael Page hit Cyborg Santos with a knee so hard that he fractured his skull. | ||
| I've seen that. | ||
| His skull caved in, and the fucking MRIs are insane. | ||
| I've never seen that. | ||
| In all my years of watching fights and being involved in martial arts, I've never seen anybody's head caved in like that. | ||
| Yeah, that's unfortunate, man. | ||
| I can imagine some trauma and some injuries. | ||
| I've seen Cyborg who's like, oh, I'll be fine and I'll be fighting in three months. | ||
| Yeah, that's what he said. | ||
| And I'm like, bro. | ||
| What? | ||
| No, dude. | ||
| Look at his skull. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| That is nuts. | ||
| That reminds me of that movie Concussion with Will Smith and he's talking about the football players that are taking these type of injuries. | ||
| That's bad, man. | ||
| His whole fucking skull is crushed. | ||
| That's It's crazy. | ||
| I've never seen that. | ||
| I've never seen that happen. | ||
| I thought that that area was so hard because that's the area where I guess a lot of people break their hand right here. | ||
| They don't really break it on that area. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, a knee? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're kind of coming into it? | ||
| That's what it is, right? | ||
| He was moving into it. | ||
| And it was really just a perfect storm. | ||
| Like, him moving in for the takedown, Michael Page leaping up at him. | ||
| And he's a bony dude. | ||
| You know, he's a tall, bony dude, so there's really not like a lot of quad or muscle that's gonna hide that knee. | ||
| It's all bone on that dude's head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a nasty knee. | ||
| Congrats to that guy. | ||
| That's pretty sick. | ||
| That guy's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| I want to see that guy in the UFC. Yeah, he breakdanced and shit, yeah. | ||
| Well, he was a point karate guy for a long time, and I've always said that there's something about that ability to just jump in real quick and get the fuck out of there. | ||
| These point karate guys have. | ||
| Their range is way different than like a boxing. | ||
| That's kind of interesting that you mentioned Robbie because if you ever watch Robbie, he doesn't play the kick game. | ||
| He gets in that boxing range. | ||
| That way if you throw a kick, he's throwing hands. | ||
| Wonder Boy, he's a tall, rangy dude, but they keep that distance. | ||
| I mean, you're a karate guy, so that range is a lot different than a Muay Thai or a boxing. | ||
| They're able to move really skillfully. | ||
| Well, the point karate guys in particular, I think that's the next stage of the elite fighters or the background they come from. | ||
| We've seen guys that are successful that come from Muay Thai. | ||
| We've seen guys that are successful that come from wrestling. | ||
| But I think that point karate is going to be the next stage because these guys like Paige and Raymond Daniels who fights out of glory. | ||
| Yair Rodriguez and my buddy Justin Lawrence is like that. | ||
| He comes from a karate background, and he's just fast and nasty, and he keeps that weird range. | ||
| He's got the weird little Joe Rogan sidekicks and shit. | ||
| Or Scoggins, who's fighting this weekend. | ||
| He's fighting Ian McCall this weekend. | ||
| Oh, he's fighting Ian McCall. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That'd be interesting. | ||
| Yeah, Scoggins is something too, man. | ||
| He's got that crazy style too, but he's got wrestling as well. | ||
| Yeah, no, first seeing that guy fight, he is good. | ||
| Good cardio, good wrestling. | ||
| I think if that guy just shows up with the right mindset, he's going to be one of the top guys. | ||
| He's a young kid too, right? | ||
| Young kid. | ||
| I think he's only like 25 or 26. And super technical. | ||
| Like his karate especially. | ||
| Like he's got that wide stance, moves in and out real quick. | ||
| That's what's real hard to deal with, man. | ||
| Because the karate style, like where they jump in and they're used to like leaping in and then they tag each other and get the fuck out of there quick. | ||
| And then they score a point and then everything stops. | ||
| And so they don't have to have like... | ||
| In their sport, they didn't have to have the kind of endurance that you would need to do. | ||
| Try doing that in a tie fight. | ||
| The ties are going to kick your legs. | ||
| But the thing about it is that these guys have developed this incredible ability to close distance really quickly. | ||
| Then they pick up all the other skills as well. | ||
| But everybody else has to play catch up on that one thing that they can do. | ||
| The leaping in and close the distance. | ||
| And you get a guy like Paige, who's obviously a gifted athlete, who's been doing it his whole life. | ||
| I mean, he started martial arts, I think, before he was five years old. | ||
| So he's got years and years of experience, plus his body kind of developed, like we were talking about people that start early with gymnastics or with breakdancing. | ||
| His body developed, leaping in, throwing kicks, leaping in, throwing punches. | ||
| He's got some sick dance moves. | ||
| So he's always on rhythm. | ||
| He's always on rhythm. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| He's interesting to see. | ||
| I'm excited to see that guy in the future. | ||
| Well, I'm excited to see a lot of those guys. | ||
| Like I said, Raymond Daniels as well. | ||
| There's a great karate match where the two of them fought in a point karate match. | ||
| Let's take a look at him here. | ||
| You watch what Paige can do. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| But he's hilarious, too. | ||
| He just stands there, looks off in the distance as the referee stops the fight. | ||
| He's obviously, until he fought Cyborg, he's fighting people that have really no business being in there with him. | ||
| Cyborg took him down, though, in that first round and presented some real problems. | ||
| But look at his distance, man. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that range. | ||
| We were just talking about that. | ||
| But look at his ability to fucking leap in, but it's also his ability to get the fuck out of the way. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| It tacks off of his back, too. | ||
| He even won by a footlock. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Motherfucker's got arm bars. | ||
| Reminds me of that style of Roy Jones used to have. | ||
| I mean, he would just do that weird, just real athletic. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Where Roy Jones was one of the greatest boxers of all time and didn't really use a jab. | ||
| Instead, he used a leaping left hook. | ||
| Yeah, a straight right or leaping left hook. | ||
| Well, he used the left hook in place of the jab. | ||
| But look, Paige has got crazy shit. | ||
| Like, that right there. | ||
| His ability to close the distance. | ||
| And look how quickly he gets out of dodge. | ||
| He's just so used to that style of people leaping at him and getting out of the way. | ||
| Look at that one-two. | ||
| Nasty. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, part of me likes the fact that he's in Bellator, because I think Bellator needs stars, because I think UFC needs competition, and I like Scott Coker, I like Bellator, I like Jimmy Smith, I like the fact they're doing well, and I would like to see a real legitimate unification fight, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Start competing in his teams. | ||
| That'd be sick. | ||
| Are you thinking about getting out of UFC anytime soon? | ||
| Well, I was not going to announce this until it was signed, but I signed for at least one more year. | ||
| So what I decided to do was, I was on the fence, man. | ||
| So I just do too much shit. | ||
| Oh, I bet, dude. | ||
| I'm too fucking busy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| After a while, I'm like, I don't know if I'm doing myself or anything, all the different things I do a disservice. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I was real close. | ||
| I was like, either I'm just going to completely bail off of this, or I'm going to try to figure it out. | ||
| So I had a conversation with Dana. | ||
| We had a bunch of conversations. | ||
| And what I decided to do was no more international travel, no more flying across the planet. | ||
| Let Brian Brian's fucking awesome. | ||
| I'm a big fan. | ||
| He's a good dude. | ||
| And as is Dan Hardy. | ||
| He's fucking awesome. | ||
| And Kenny. | ||
| I think those guys do a great job. | ||
| But for me personally, it's just too much. | ||
| If I go to Brazil, that's five days out of my life that I can't do this and I can't do all the other stuff that I do. | ||
| And then on top of that, there's the recovery time. | ||
| When I come back, I'm fucking toast. | ||
| No, I get it. | ||
| That flying just fucks my head. | ||
| So I decided to only do pay-per-view. | ||
| No more Fox. | ||
| So I'm cutting down a lot of the events, but I'm doing at least a year. | ||
| So it's like a year-by-year thing, but at least one more year. | ||
| You got a lot of fans supporting you, dude, but you probably want to start enjoying life a little bit and cutting down eventually, and just relaxing and enjoying life a little bit, I bet, huh? | ||
| Well, you know what made me tip the other way? | ||
| I was real convinced that it was over. | ||
| I'm like, I'm just going to be a fan. | ||
| I'll just do Fight Companions. | ||
| The Nate Diaz, Conor McGregor fight, and Holly Holm, Misha Tate fight. | ||
| That night was so crazy and so chaotic. | ||
| I walked out of there and I go, how could I not do this? | ||
| How could I not be? | ||
| I'm sitting right there at Cage Side for the craziest shit in the sporting world ever. | ||
| It was real recent, man. | ||
| It was touch and go, man. | ||
| I just didn't know what I was going to do. | ||
| One day I'd be like, I'm done. | ||
| And the next day I'd be like, I don't know. | ||
| So I think the compromise is do less events, figure it out. | ||
| But I don't want anybody to think that I don't appreciate it, or I don't know how lucky I am, or I don't think it's an amazing job. | ||
| I definitely do. | ||
| But I'm almost too lucky. | ||
| I have too many amazing jobs. | ||
| You've been on the road for years. | ||
| That's a lot of traveling, dude. | ||
| It's a lot of traveling. | ||
| A lot of traveling, a lot of events. | ||
| Shit, dude, you haven't seen it all. | ||
| Well, one year was like 23 events. | ||
| I was like, that's crazy. | ||
| That's like every other week. | ||
| Every other week I'm flying. | ||
| They're getting more and more and more. | ||
| UFC is just getting freaking insane. | ||
| Then the big business deal and a lot of shit's going down. | ||
| Even with the steroids, Mark Hunt's going crazy. | ||
| Someone needs to talk to Mark, man. | ||
| Yeah, give him a call, Dana. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like someone should have talked to Mark immediately and soothed it out with him. | ||
| But here's what I can tell Mark, if Mark is listening. | ||
| They tested the shit out of Brock Lesnar, and they didn't know. | ||
| They didn't know. | ||
| The only way they would have known is if USADA told them. | ||
| So USADA tested him, he tested clean for a bunch of them, and then he tested... | ||
| I'm positive for the one that was like, I think three weeks out of the fight. | ||
| And then there was the other one that he tested for post-fight. | ||
| So I don't know what was going on. | ||
| I mean, it's just speculation. | ||
| But it could have been that he was just really struggling in camp. | ||
| Look, here's what he took, allegedly, right? | ||
| He took estrogen blockers, and the only reason that anybody takes estrogen blocker on purpose is to restart their testosterone after they do a steroid cycle. | ||
| That's why you take it when you take it on purpose. | ||
| Or unless you have some sort of a biological disorder, I would imagine, where you have some sort of an excess of estrogen in your body, which I don't know why you would have that. | ||
| I'm not a doctor. | ||
| I don't know if I need to tell you that, but I'm not a doctor. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Do you know I'm not a doctor? | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| I'm not a doctor. | ||
| So I don't know what the fuck was going on, man, with Brock. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Maybe Brock was like, look, I'm one and done in this bitch. | ||
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I'm just gonna take this shit. | |
| How many weeks do they need to test me? | ||
| Okay, so we're inside the window. | ||
| Fuck it, if we test positive after the fight, we test positive. | ||
| Like, who knows? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, but that's the third time that's happened to Mark Hunt, dude. | ||
| You know, and he's talking about this fighters' union, which makes things very interesting, bro. | ||
| Well, the problem with the fighters' union is fighters have been notoriously single-minded, and they think about themselves. | ||
| It's going to be real hard. | ||
| It's not like baseball players. | ||
| You know, it's not like you could get it's also with like baseball players union or football. | ||
| It's like you have a team You know the UFC is the team You know, it's not like... | ||
| They're the elite. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| It's a different thing. | ||
| Like, boxing's not going to have a boxers union. | ||
| Because then you're always going to have... | ||
| Look, you have ten contenders. | ||
| Yeah, but the boxers make a shit ton of money, dude. | ||
| They do make a shit ton of money, but the people that make a shit ton of money are the champions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those are the high-level people. | ||
| And the high-level people in MMA make the same amount of money. | ||
| The real argument is, how much money should the people that are putting on the big shows like you, the guys who are putting on fucking incredible, exciting fights, how much should you make to headline a card? | ||
| I know, for me, personally, for my money, if I'm watching Jeremy Stevens fight Conor McGregor, I'm getting out my fucking popcorn. | ||
| I'm excited. | ||
| I'm paying my pay-per-view money for that. | ||
| Let's make that happen. | ||
| Let's make that happen. | ||
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145, dude. | |
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| I think he's going to get whooped by Diaz. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| I think so, dude. | ||
| Well, he got whooped the first time, but he was doing really well in that first round. | ||
| I mean, that first round was a big round for Conor, and then he got tired. | ||
| Diaz had, what, 10 days and he was drinking tequila out in Mexico? | ||
| 11. Yeah, 11 days and he was drinking tequila. | ||
| Drinking tequila. | ||
| I respect that, but I think it's going to be the same situation I do. | ||
| Well, there's a good argument there. | ||
| There's a good argument for sure. | ||
| Conor's got the one shot, man. | ||
| He's just like me. | ||
| He's like a replica of me. | ||
| He's got that one shot and put your lights out. | ||
| But he's like you at 145, whereas Nate, who has been fighting at 155 and 170 his whole career, is a bigger guy. | ||
| Like, Nate, when I stand next to him, Nate's a big guy, man. | ||
| He's big. | ||
| He's 55. He's huge. | ||
| And he can take a shot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He takes a fucking... | ||
| The only guy to put him out was Josh Thompson. | ||
| And I've said time and time again, Josh Thompson, one of the most underrated guys in the sport. | ||
| Josh Thompson, the timing just wasn't right for him. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Old school. | |
| Yeah, he's old school, but he's fucking good, man. | ||
| He was fucking good. | ||
| And when he fought Nate, he was just on his game and he head kicked him. | ||
| Josh Thompson head-kicks anybody, he's finishing him. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| No, he's an athletic dude, man. | ||
| That guy's been around, you know, and then I think he was before the UFC cut out the 55 division. | ||
| You know, and that's when I was kind of coming up. | ||
| I was like, I'm gonna fight at 170. I'm like, fuck it. | ||
| I want to be in UFC. I guess I gotta go up to 170. So I was taking fights at like 65. Well, explain. | ||
| People don't know what you're saying. | ||
| The UFC didn't have a 155 division for a while. | ||
| Yeah, they cut it out. | ||
| They got rid of it. | ||
| A lot of people don't realize when they see the sport now and it's gigantic and it's huge, when you were first fighting and first competing, man, you had to really love what you're doing. | ||
| It wasn't like there was some Ronda Rousey, Conor McGregor paydays that people were getting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, when you hear about the paydays these people are getting now, like John Jones' manager was saying that John missed out on at least $10 million for his fight with Daniel Cormier. | ||
| And then John Anik was saying that over the two years, it's probably going to cost him as much as $30 to $40 million. | ||
| And you factor in all the super fights he could have had in two years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is just fucking crazy. | ||
| Yeah, dude. | ||
| He's one of the pound-for-pound best, man. | ||
| He's his own worst enemy, I guess, you know? | ||
| Well, with him, it's another weird one. | ||
| That was an estrogen blocker thing. | ||
| I'm not a doctor, but... | ||
| I'm not a doctor. | ||
| Cycling off. | ||
| Those people cycling. | ||
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But how the fuck? | |
| His body changed too, you know, and that's kind of crazy. | ||
| He got real big and he was like into lifting a lot. | ||
| And them lifters, man, those guys love that stuff. | ||
| Well, the lifters too. | ||
| The problem is you get some bro science. | ||
| You know, you get some dudes in the gym. | ||
| Bro, I'm telling you, bro, you cannot test positive, bro. | ||
| This is what you're going to do. | ||
| You're going to drink three gallons of cat piss, and you're going to go in there, like, three gallons? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Dude, do it to be a champion. | ||
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It works. | |
| Do it to be a champion. | ||
| Like, they'll tell you some wacky shit. | ||
| This guy was telling me that if you... | ||
| He was trying to tell me that all these UFC guys, man, they're testing positive. | ||
| I know how to get them off that, man. | ||
| I go, no, you don't. | ||
| You don't know how to beat USADA, you fucking goofball. | ||
| Lance Armstrong, one of the richest guys, you know, he's giving speeches and high-fiving the president. | ||
| If that guy can't beat Jeff Nowitzki, I don't think anybody, you know, I mean... | ||
| Well, here's the thing about Lance Armstrong. | ||
| Never tested positive. | ||
| You have to realize that. | ||
| Lance Armstrong never tested positive. | ||
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He had just admitted. | |
| They never caught him. | ||
| He admitted guilt. | ||
| Yeah, he had admitted. | ||
| Yeah, he had admitted, but the walls were closing in, all these people were suing him, he was suing people, there was a lot of chaos going on. | ||
| Yeah, he just wanted to come clean. | ||
| But there's no drug tests that show that Lance Armstrong was doing anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was definitely doing some shit, though, which is really kind of crazy. | ||
| I don't get why people want to go ride a bike for that long. | ||
| I mean, honestly, you know, since you saw this kind of came in, I've done a lot of cardio and stuff, but I'm like, you know, I've ran up to like a little bit over two hours or around two hours. | ||
| And, you know, I don't want to go ride a bike for fucking seven, eight hours. | ||
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Fuck that. | |
| And then get up and do it again. | ||
| I'm like, man, for what? | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| I'm gonna do some EPO just so I can just go out and just get it for seven, eight hours? | ||
| It's a child's fucking method of transportation. | ||
| Why you just do some porn, bro, and just go kill it for seven, eight hours? | ||
| Like, why are you gonna... | ||
| I mean, that's just nuts, dude. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| But to each their own. | ||
| Look, what it is is a mental toughness thing. | ||
| It's like their idea is like they're gonna keep grinding it out, when other people are gonna slowly back off and fade, they're gonna keep going. | ||
| No, that's the true breaking. | ||
| That's what I find in running and doing these long runs and stuff throughout camp that sets a different pace. | ||
| And that is right. | ||
| The mental edge that you have from running and you're just like... | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| You almost got to be a madman. | ||
| But you only know that when you actually complete that type of a long run and you endure that type of thing. | ||
| Everybody else can kind of look back and go, man, you're crazy. | ||
| Like, why did you do that? | ||
| But you are kind of crazy in your head. | ||
| And you're like, yeah, fuck yeah, I am crazy. | ||
| I did do that. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| It put you on another level. | ||
| Isn't it one of those things where you just constantly try to find your limit? | ||
| Like, I'm going to hold my breath for a minute. | ||
| Hmm, I did it. | ||
| Let me see if I can do two minutes. | ||
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I did it. | |
| Okay. | ||
| What's the world record? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Then you start trying for whatever the fuck the world record is. | ||
| I have my buddy Cam Haynes. | ||
| He does ultra marathons. | ||
| He's done 100 miles and now he's doing 200 miles in August. | ||
| He did 100 miles last month to get ready for 200 miles next month. | ||
| Damn, dude. | ||
| Yeah, like what? | ||
| That's intense. | ||
| Two days. | ||
| Two days of running. | ||
| That's crazy, bro. | ||
| It's retarded. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's retarded. | ||
| But I bet, like, that guy's probably cool to hang out with. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| I bet he's just a wild madman, you know, when you go hang out with him and probably hear some of his ideas and his beliefs. | ||
| Well, he's just mentally as tough as it gets. | ||
| And he's just trying to find his limits. | ||
| You know, he's always trying to find his limits. | ||
| And he can't find his limits at 100 miles. | ||
| Which is fucking bananas. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| How old is he? | ||
| 48? | ||
| 48. Hell yeah. | ||
| You know what they say? | ||
| They say that those marathon or ultra-marathon guys, a lot of them are older because it's not something that young guys excel at. | ||
| You're not going to find a 20-year-old athlete that's really good at running 100 miles. | ||
| It's dudes that have been divorced and had their heart broken and went bankrupt. | ||
| Came home and their girlfriend was fucking their best friend. | ||
| That kind of shit. | ||
| I've been there in high school, man. | ||
| Those guys have that extra gear. | ||
| Those guys that are 30 years old and they're crying, it's like, bro, get over it, dude. | ||
| It's alright, man. | ||
| If she wants to go, she's going to go and bang 30 black guys if she wants to. | ||
| Why does it have to be black guys always? | ||
| Whenever everybody's worried. | ||
| Did you see him crying? | ||
| I mean, I went through that in high school, man. | ||
| I was like, alright, that's enough of that. | ||
| I'm glad I did because some people mentally, they just don't get it. | ||
| And then when they get a little bit older and they go through it, they're just like, whoa. | ||
| Whole life just changed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've got to learn how to get your heart broke and recover. | ||
| Like, if you don't get your heart broke, you'll never understand what it's like to get your heart broken. | ||
| Like, it's a really important thing. | ||
| Like, when it's happening, you feel like the world's over. | ||
| But then... | ||
| Did what with him? | ||
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Oh no! | |
| But looking back, it's hilarious. | ||
| Like I look back on some heartbreaks that I had when I was like 19. I'm like, ah! | ||
| I think it's funny now that I was being such a bitch. | ||
| You know, that I was crying. | ||
| I would write her a take-me-back note. | ||
| You took him to her favorite spot? | ||
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What? | |
| You let him touch you and do that? | ||
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Oh no! | |
| That shit sucked, dude. | ||
| I remember that, man. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Every girl, too. | ||
| It's funny you look back at it, but dude, when you're going through it, man, you're like, fuck, I need to shoot myself right now. | ||
| I fucking can't stand this, dude. | ||
| Speaking of shoot myself, did you see that video? | ||
| That fucking rapper that shot himself in the mouth? | ||
| Did you see that stupid asshole? | ||
| This guy made a video of him. | ||
| He put, like, a gun... | ||
| Next to his cheek and shot a hole through his face. | ||
| On camera. | ||
| I think he's gonna get more hits now. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| He's saying he doesn't give a fuck. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| Wanna see it? | ||
| Watch. | ||
| This guy. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead and play it. | ||
| Is that a starter pistol? | ||
| Or is that a bullet? | ||
| Because here's the thing. | ||
| He's in his car. | ||
| This is one thing that leads me to think that this is a starter pistol, because he's in his car, right? | ||
| So where's that bullet going, man? | ||
| Straight through his mouth. | ||
| He said he swallowed it at the end of the video. | ||
| Yeah, did he though? | ||
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Didn't go through his other cheek. | |
| Did he though? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Let's watch. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Casper Knight? | ||
| Is that his knight name? | ||
| Listen to this dummy. | ||
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Bro, you did it. | |
| You want to hurt bad? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| I don't give a fuck about nothing anymore. | ||
| Gangster? | ||
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I swallowed the bullet. | |
| Shit. | ||
| You swallowed the bullet? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, that guy didn't swallow anything. | ||
| Fuck, we need to go. | ||
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Shit. | |
| He didn't swallow. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Run it. | ||
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Go. | |
| We need to go? | ||
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Whatever. | |
| Fuck it. | ||
| If I die, fuck it. | ||
| You're not gonna die from that pussy. | ||
| What is this guy thinking, man? | ||
| He's not. | ||
| People do this stuff nowadays and it's just really kind of disgusting. | ||
| It's like, where is this guy's parents? | ||
| They're at home doing meth. | ||
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Seriously. | |
| Oh, man. | ||
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I swallowed the fucking bullet. | |
| You just shot yourself, idiot. | ||
| See, it's possible that that was a.22. | ||
| It was a very small gun, obviously, because the sound, like, clap! | ||
| It was a very low-volume sound. | ||
| So I think that was probably, like, if anything, it was a.22. | ||
| And if he did swallow the bullet, I mean, maybe. | ||
| I guess, maybe. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| It didn't look like it came out the other side, man. | ||
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No. | |
| It's kind of disturbing to watch. | ||
| It's not really that he just shot himself, but just his attitude. | ||
| What is wrong with you, man? | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| That's not a goal-earing individual. | ||
| I don't care if I die. | ||
| Well, the crazy thing is that guy might get, like, success for that. | ||
| Like, he made some post about it where he was like, y'all got played or something like that. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You see the post that he wrote? | ||
| He's got a whole—oh, this is post after it? | ||
| A doctor stitched him up. | ||
| A doctor's like, um, okay. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Disturbing. | ||
| Well, you could take a starter pistol, by the way, and it will blow a hole through your mouth. | ||
| There's a guy who was an actor. | ||
| When I was on this TV show, his friend was on the TV show with me, and the guy had died. | ||
| He was playing around with a blank. | ||
| And, you know, he had a, like, for a movie? | ||
| And he put the thing up to his head and didn't realize that the amount of force that comes out, just the air, fractured his skull and killed him. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Yeah, from a blank. | ||
| Brandon Lee died like that, right? | ||
| Brandon Lee died because it wasn't a blank. | ||
| There was some sort of a particle that was inside the blank and it shot him in the chest. | ||
| And the conspiracy theory, buckle up, black helicopters, the conspiracy theory is the same people that killed Bruce Lee wanted to kill Brandon Lee. | ||
| This is what Joey Diaz believes. | ||
| Listen, dog, I'm telling you. | ||
| You don't get away with those fucking Chinese triads. | ||
| You can't dodge that bullet. | ||
| Because he was telling me that... | ||
| That's exactly his voice. | ||
| This motherfucker! | ||
| He was saying that Bruce Lee had some sort of a deal to do movies for the Chinese triad. | ||
| And he was doing all these movies for them. | ||
| And then left to come to America to be a big-time movie star. | ||
| And when he came over to America to be a big-time movie star, he fucked those people that he had this deal with. | ||
| And they were like, oh, really? | ||
| And then they came and got him. | ||
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But... | |
| Man, dude, I'm honestly, dude, growing up, you know, not being raced or anything, but I've had a lot of... | ||
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Too late! | |
| No, Asian friends and stuff, man. | ||
| Dude, they get violent and they get into, like, wolf packs quick. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, I did security one time, man, and I seen like two dudes fighting, and then it turned into the whole Asian community just throwing bottles, shooting out in the parking lot, you know, just throwing cue balls, chairs, more bottles, and this guy's just laying down in like fetus position. | ||
| I've seen them just do a lot. | ||
| I mean, they stick together. | ||
| I've seen a guy actually stab some dude. | ||
| And then, get this, this guy comes out and he's like, He's like, I just got stabbed. | ||
| And he's coming up to this police officer. | ||
| Police officer pulls out this gun. | ||
| He's like, get on the ground. | ||
| He's like, bro, I just got stabbed. | ||
| He's like, get on the ground. | ||
| And the guy's like squirting blood out his back. | ||
| And then like, like 50 Honda Civics and Acura's like, just all taken off. | ||
| And the guy's like laying on the ground. | ||
| Why is the cop telling him to get on the ground? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Des Moines, Iowa. | ||
| I saw a fucking video yesterday of a cop. | ||
| They just gave this kid like $180,000. | ||
| A cop hit him. | ||
| He's on his motorcycle. | ||
| The kid stopped at a light. | ||
| The cop hits him from behind. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| He falls over. | ||
| The cop gets out of the car with his fucking gun drawn. | ||
| The kid's like, what the fuck? | ||
| The cop kicks him in the chest and breaks his collarbone and then tells him to get on his knees. | ||
| And the kid gets on his knees. | ||
| All captured on fucking video. | ||
| And what was the cause of him getting pulled over? | ||
| Nothing! | ||
| There was no cause! | ||
| The cop rear-ended him! | ||
| He was on a motorcycle. | ||
| Watch this shit. | ||
| No, this ain't it. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| It goes way ahead? | ||
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Okay. | |
| Oh! | ||
| Was this it? | ||
| Are you sure this is the same one? | ||
| Because the other one was at an intersection, Jamie. | ||
| Oh, this guy seems like he's flying. | ||
| Are you sure it's the same video? | ||
| Well, that's the case. | ||
| And this kid, it was a speeding thing. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, that changes everything. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| So they bumped him on purpose. | ||
| Okay, let's see how this goes down. | ||
| Wow, I'm changing my fucking tune right here. | ||
| Yeah, so this was a speeding motorcyclist. | ||
| Gee, he's not stopping. | ||
| Oh, they fucking hit him on purpose. | ||
| Boom. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Oh, okay. | ||
| This is different. | ||
| This is different. | ||
| It's like falling off your little bike. | ||
| Yeah, it's a bump. | ||
| He's like, whoa, what did I do? | ||
| Oh, a little front kick. | ||
| A little 300. Fatso. | ||
| A little gay karate kick. | ||
| That was terrible. | ||
| He's like holding the gun gangster, too. | ||
| Right here, he's like, what's up? | ||
| I saw too many fucking Boys in the Hood movies. | ||
| Hey, you know what, man? | ||
| I changed my tune. | ||
| People need to shut their mouth when it comes to the authority. | ||
| I think of these other countries. | ||
| I'm like, other countries don't do that because they will sever your head off. | ||
| If you're filming them, they're going to cut your head. | ||
| People come here and they're like... | ||
| They get in this mix. | ||
| The cops are trying to, like, hey, you know, like, you're coming with us. | ||
| And then, like, people are recording it, and then they don't listen, and the cop has to use force, you know, and they're just... | ||
| People just don't really respect... | ||
| That's true. | ||
| There is other sides. | ||
| I mean, I do get it, but... | ||
| Well, did you see the guy in Florida that got shot while he was lying down with his hands up, talking to... | ||
| He was a therapist, and he's totally unarmed, lying on his back, and the cop shot him. | ||
| I did see that. | ||
| And he's like, why'd you shoot me? | ||
| He's like, I don't know. | ||
| And then the cop changed his story. | ||
| The cop completely changed his story after it was over. | ||
| You know, look, there's good and bad, but I didn't see the full video of this, I only saw the end. | ||
| Which really makes you think, like when you see a lot of these interactions that people have with cops, like what led the cop to be so fucking ramped up? | ||
| Well here, now you understand, that guy was risking all sorts of people's lives by riding that motorcycle like a fucking maniac, and then the cop got ahold of him, he bumped him to knock him off the bike, but that kid was fine. | ||
| But that kid got $180,000 for that. | ||
| Breaking the law, he gets $180,000 for a weak-ass bitch front kick. | ||
| Terrible front kick, too, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He had that Glock, though, the gangster Glock. | ||
| But some people, the cops, not all of them, because I have uncles that are cops. | ||
| They're great people, but they're just like us. | ||
| It makes them no different. | ||
| Some people, I feel like they get a little power trips sometimes. | ||
| I've been polite to cops, and I've been treated very rudely. | ||
| And then there's times where I've been polite, and they've been polite. | ||
| Or they let me off on a speeding ticket, and I was speeding. | ||
| But there's times where I've seen cops just look like maybe they got bullied in high school, and they take advantage. | ||
| But, I mean, that's just human nature. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| It was an unmarked Camaro that looked like this, and he didn't have his siren on, like I said. | ||
| He only had his lights on. | ||
| So he didn't even know he was being chased. | ||
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That's what the motorcycle guy said. | |
| Well, that makes sort of sense. | ||
| More sense. | ||
| If you've seen the video of him in and out, I don't know how he got 180 grand. | ||
| He's lucky. | ||
| Yeah, he's still driving like a douchebag. | ||
| I mean, if you want to drive like that, go on a fucking raceway, man. | ||
| You can take that bike on a raceway. | ||
| You're not supposed to cut in and out of traffic the way he was doing, going ridiculously excessive speeds. | ||
| That video, like, when he's cutting off cars and stuff like that, that's how people die, and not necessarily you. | ||
| That happens here in L.A. all the time. | ||
| I was driving down here from San Diego, and I mean, I do that all the time, and those bikers, man, they zone in and out, and I don't hear them coming behind me, because they're flying, and I'm in between traffic, and they... | ||
| Come by and almost scrape your mirrors, and then they're getting mad at you, and you're like, bro, I don't see you. | ||
| I got a little bit of music playing. | ||
| It's not real loud, but I can't hear you until you're right there. | ||
| That's why it's good to have Harleys. | ||
| Those Harley Davidsons are so loud. | ||
| I saw a bumper sticker that said, loud pipes save lives. | ||
| They really do. | ||
| It makes a big difference. | ||
| Makes sense that they have those those loud pipes like that, but you know I think that cops are just like you and me and one of the things that I think we should all take into consideration is the amount of people that they deal with on a daily basis that are Criminals that are violent that are dangerous that there's just so much shit they have to deal with I just don't think most people are qualified for that job. | ||
| I think that job should be for people that are like Ex-military that are solid as a fucking rock. | ||
| I think it should be super high-paying and should be a really well-respected job. | ||
| And I think those people should be like integrated in whatever community they're enforcing. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I was actually telling this, I don't even know if I told my coach today, but I was thinking, I was like, man, I want to go and like help out the cops and a little bit of like combat and go in and help them out because... | ||
| I mean, a lot of people don't know. | ||
| I mean, if you come up to me and I'm not thinking anything, but I can just quickly pull out a gun and shoot you. | ||
| And sometimes those cops don't know, you know, and they're trying to be nice and then they get killed on the spot or, you know, they may not know and they kill them and maybe it wasn't a gun. | ||
| But, I mean, that's a quick little within... | ||
| You have to make a huge decision in just such a matter of seconds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's going to be me going home and, you know, not... | ||
| Just like a fight. | ||
| It's like, hey man, it's going to be me going home in the winter and feeding my family as compared to you. | ||
| That's life or death situation. | ||
| It's definitely scary. | ||
| I feel like they definitely need a little bit better education on the training. | ||
| If anybody in San Diego is listening to this or any police, I'd love to come help. | ||
| I'm sure Dominic Cruz and the guys, we'd love to come help. | ||
| Have you guys come into the gym and just keep the community safe? | ||
| It should be mandatory the cops have at least some sort of martial arts training because you know I was talking to big John McCarthy about this where he was telling me How few police officers can even physically defend themselves? | ||
| He's like there's a lot of guys that just don't they don't know anything and they don't work out at all overweight Yeah, and if shit goes down like they're helpless And these are supposed to be the people that are supposed to serve and protect. | ||
| You know, John obviously is a giant dude and plus a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and been around martial arts his whole life. | ||
| But, you know, when you're dealing with someone who is an explosive, dangerous person that might be a felon their whole life, and you're someone who has no experience at all in any kind of hand-to-hand combat situation, you're in a bad spot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, a lot of them don't know, and I've even been in, like, training with, like, the Army and military and Wounded Warriors. | ||
| I mean, I've trained a lot of people, and a lot of people don't even know the basics of just hand fighting and how hand fighting is very important, especially if someone's holding a gun. | ||
| You know, they don't even know that or know chokes, and it's like, wow, that's crazy. | ||
| They don't know basic stuff, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because what if they ran into a guy like me out there, you know, like one of those villains, like the guy from Morocco who robbed a bank? | ||
| You know, he's just like a legit criminal, I mean, which some are. | ||
| Oh, Lee Murray? | ||
| Yeah, Lee Murray. | ||
| You know, and then you run into that guy, and he's like being all cool, and then boom, all of a sudden he's like trying to snap your neck. | ||
| Well, that guy was crazy, because he was super skilled, but a fucking legit gangster, criminal, pulled off the biggest armed heist in European history, right? | ||
| Never found a single dollar. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They never found the money? | ||
| Never found the money. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Who's got the money? | ||
| Lee Murray? | ||
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Who's got the money? | |
| Allegedly, Lee. | ||
| Well, he's in jail now, right? | ||
| In Morocco. | ||
| Yeah, Pat Miletic, an old training coach of mine, he keeps in touch with him. | ||
| He's like a pen pal. | ||
| I don't know if he still does or not. | ||
| Dear Lee. | ||
| Yeah, dear Lee. | ||
| I was watching Pat today. | ||
| I was watching him. | ||
| I watched Lion Fight. | ||
| I'm a big fan of Lion Fight. | ||
| He was doing commentary for Lion Fight. | ||
| Pat was saying that he was about to do a 100-mile run. | ||
| I need to ask him about that. | ||
| I was going to mention that. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen him on Facebook. | ||
| I follow him, and I guess he put out this little list. | ||
| He's going to do a 4-mile, a 10-mile, and then he's basically building up 15, 20 miles that he's going to do, a 100-mile run. | ||
| But you just do that slowly just by building a little base and getting himself ready for that. | ||
| Why was he doing that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's getting older. | ||
| I don't know if he went through a divorce or what. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| Maybe he's just... | ||
| Looking for a new challenge. | ||
| Retired from fighting. | ||
| I've seen Don Fry recently just get knocked out. | ||
| Don Fry? | ||
| Yeah, he got knocked out by one of Dog the Bounty Hunter's security guys. | ||
| Oh, that was really old. | ||
| I know what you're talking about. | ||
| That video was from a long time ago. | ||
| Don was really drunk. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he got in some sort of a fight in a hotel with some dude. | ||
| Yeah, I've seen that. | ||
| I think that was really old. | ||
| There's always that dog in you, you know? | ||
| I mean, you've probably been away from competition for a while, but, I mean, you still like to grapple and just get after it. | ||
| Like, in your gym, I always see you hitting it. | ||
| But, I mean, just as a man or a competitor, you always have that type of... | ||
| I mean, eventually you've got to let it go, and eventually your time's going to pass. | ||
| But, I mean, you're always going to have that drive. | ||
| And, you know, running or doing something like that or swimming is always going to probably keep that passion, that drive that's still in you. | ||
| So it's probably good to kind of release that and go out there. | ||
| I think it's definitely good to push yourself in some sort of a way. | ||
| Because I think where a lot of guys, it's really a classic story with boxers especially. | ||
| They stop competing, and then they get into hard drugs. | ||
| And it happened with Joe Lewis. | ||
| It happened with... | ||
| It's that white guy, Irish dude. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| Floyd knocked him out. | ||
| He was doing cocaine with some hookers. | ||
| They got him on video. | ||
| What's his name, man? | ||
| Oh, Ricky Hatton. | ||
| Ricky Hatton. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was thinking of, goddammit, the dude who Cassius Clay beat for the... | ||
| Sonny Liston. | ||
| Sonny Liston, he died of a drug overdose, too. | ||
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Did he? | |
| I didn't know that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of those guys, they stop fighting. | ||
| And then there's also the thought of, you know, you have a long career of getting hit in the head, and then you'd want to self-medicate after it's over. | ||
| Like, a lot of these guys, they have issues with their... | ||
| Their systems, like their endocrine systems, they have issues with their pituitary gland, a lot of depression comes in, and they start trying to fix that with alcohol or fix that feeling with cocaine. | ||
| Prescription and stuff like that. | ||
| Prescription drugs, yeah. | ||
| Those are the worst, man. | ||
| Well, prescription drugs are a real problem because a lot of guys get injured, and then they go to a doctor, or they've got a problem in their lumbar or something like that, or a bulging disc. | ||
| Yeah, it's dangerous, man. | ||
| I watched that episode, Ballers, and The Rock Johnson, he's always smashing them Vicodins and those NFL guys, and he talks about that. | ||
| Have you seen that show? | ||
| It's a pretty sick show, The Rock's the Man. | ||
| And you kind of see that and you're like, man, that kind of makes sense that, you know, most likely that they are shooting them up and get back on the field. | ||
| You got to win the game. | ||
| And, you know, when you're in that moment, you're not thinking about it. | ||
| But then in the longevity, you know, like that movie Concussion, you know, the one guy from the Steelers was going down the opposite way and smashes into a car, was wanting to kill his family and just snaps out, you know, and that's just that's just crazy, man. | ||
| Well, you know, head injuries are no fucking joke, man. | ||
| And that was one of the things that Brock was talking about with WWE. That earlier in his career, he had issues. | ||
| Where he was, you know, those guys are fucking flipping each other and landing. | ||
| People could say that's fake wrestling. | ||
| They use that term, fake wrestling. | ||
| Those fucking flips are real, man. | ||
| The impact is real. | ||
| Those guys getting body slammed, that all counts. | ||
| Cutting themselves, and then, you know, tacks like Mankind used to do, and falling off the cages and the tables, and then those metal chairs, and they would just bash them over. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm like, fuck. | ||
| That's real, man. | ||
| That's a real impact. | ||
| That's real. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm like, dude, that's crazy, dude. | ||
| It is crazy. | ||
| And do you see that a lot of those guys are suing the WWE now? | ||
| Like, Jimmy Superfly Snuka was wearing a suit and going to court, and they're suing the WWE for head injuries. | ||
| Superfly's still around? | ||
| Superfly's still around. | ||
| That guy's probably got some head injuries. | ||
| Didn't he used to jump off the rope and do like the headbutt? | ||
| Yeah, that was his thing. | ||
| It's like one of the most dangerous moves. | ||
| He would get the super fly. | ||
| He would stand on the top ring and fly to the air. | ||
| In his jungle chonies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And boom, his fucking brain jostling around inside his coconut. | ||
| Yeah, he had that Gene Simmons hair, dude. | ||
| That's sick. | ||
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That's tight. | |
| He was my favorite, man. | ||
| My manager was just telling me about Jake the Snake. | ||
| There's a documentary on Netflix and it's just sad that that guy, he went to alcoholism, to depression, was in a trailer, just went from having everything to those injuries and self-medication and the drug and alcohol addiction and stuff. | ||
| It's a hard road. | ||
| That life of being a pro wrestler is so fucking difficult. | ||
| They don't get nearly enough credit for what they do. | ||
| Those guys are on the road sometimes 260 plus days a year, and they are throwing each other through fucking doors and smashing each other in the head and fucking all the stunts that they have to do, all the flips and all the craziness. | ||
| While lifting like meatheads too, juicing up. | ||
| Juicing up, lifting like crazy. | ||
| That's crazy, man. | ||
| Yeah, it is crazy, but It's a lifestyle. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they choose it, I guess. | ||
| You gotta love it. | ||
| Yeah, you do. | ||
| You know, and you gotta love it. | ||
| And that's really, that's ultimately their decision. | ||
| It is, I guess. | ||
| But I think Superfly was saying that, well, see, no one knew. | ||
| It's kind of crazy that this is really recent. | ||
| But, you know, when I was a kid, I was in high school in the 80s, and Superfly was the man. | ||
| You know, he was like the big deal in the 80s when I was in high school. | ||
| So no one knew shit about concussions back then. | ||
|
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Nope. | |
| No one knew anything about CTE. We never heard of that term. | ||
| We heard of brain damage. | ||
| Like, guys get punched drunk. | ||
| That's what we heard. | ||
| But we always thought, oh, you could kind of tell, see a guy starting to slur his words, it's time to stop, and you'll get better. | ||
| But we didn't know that you get it from playing football. | ||
| You never heard of that, right? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nobody even talked about it back then. | ||
| They denied it. | ||
| Well, the NFL covered it up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I didn't see that movie Concussion, but that's what it's based on, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But at the same time, the guys, they want to go out there, they want to play, they want to... | ||
| They want to compete. | ||
| It's just a natural drive, but you are putting yourself at risk. | ||
| But at the same time, we could all just go out of here and get in a car accident and die. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| There's a lot of things that people do that they really, really enjoy that are risky. | ||
| Are we supposed to tell people they can't fucking surf anymore because there's sharks out there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, what are we supposed to do? | ||
| You tell people they can't race cars anymore? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's uh, I mean no one could talk about it better than you. | ||
| I mean you're a professional cage fighter. | ||
| It's one of the most dangerous jobs in all sports. | ||
| I started just fighting for just kind of defend myself going through different schools and getting bullied and you know I started fighting fighting but then uh once I kind of got into the sport and my uncle who kind of led me into this my grandpa and then I started fighting at uh 16 years old and I was fighting like grown men and adults and In MMA fights? | ||
| MMA. No Holds Bars. | ||
| We'd go to a bar and there'd be pool tables. | ||
| People would be drinking beer. | ||
| I couldn't even get in. | ||
| You had to be like 18 to get in. | ||
| I was 16, but my grandpa, he was a super cool, nice guy. | ||
| He allowed me to come in and I was fighting these grown men. | ||
| Your grandpa brought you to fight in a cage when you were 16? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he knew I was legit, man. | ||
| Your grandpa must be gangster. | ||
| He was. | ||
| He's passed away, but yeah, he was gangster. | ||
| What a great grandpa. | ||
| Yeah, he boxed and wrestled throughout his life and was a competitor. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He's seen me get into a couple of street fights, you know, and he's like, you know, he knew I was wrestling. | ||
| I'd always kind of get scrapping wrestling because I used to just crossface people real hard and I'd always kind of get into a little scrapping match or whatever. | ||
| And he invited me out there, and Josh Neer was the man out there at the time, and I was 16 years old. | ||
| And I go out there, and I just start fighting. | ||
| And then, like, once I did that, and then, like, my first fight, and then my older sister, she was there, and, like, there was, like, these strippers that were there. | ||
| I mean, had huge boobs. | ||
| You know, I'd never seen anything like that. | ||
| And she's like, oh, this is my brother. | ||
| He just won. | ||
| They're like, oh, hey, like, what's up? | ||
| You know, and I'm like, man, like, this is the life right now. | ||
| Just knock somebody out. | ||
| Now the girls are hitting me up. | ||
| I was like the man in school. | ||
| I did it just because I loved it. | ||
| Now I look back today and I'm like, man, here I am making thousands of dollars, traveling the world, meeting people, sitting down here to the podcast, Joe Rogan. | ||
| I'm like, damn, dude, this fighting really took me very far. | ||
| I feel like I found my passion. | ||
| Well, you caught a wave. | ||
| You caught it right when it was taken off. | ||
| Like we were talking about, you were in the UFC before there was even a 155-pound division. | ||
| You were thinking about fighting 170. I kind of grew up in the old school. | ||
| Josh Neer is old school as fuck. | ||
| That's a tough dude. | ||
| That's another dude who doesn't get enough credit. | ||
| Josh Neer, he's a talented motherfucker, man. | ||
| And tough as nails. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| My best man. | ||
| That's my guy, dude. | ||
| My right-hand man. | ||
| Good dude. | ||
| Good fighter, man. | ||
| You ever see that video? | ||
| I'm sure you've seen it. | ||
| Hell of a father, too, dude. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| He's a good dude. | ||
| He's actually pretty smart with his money. | ||
| A lot of people thought he was stupid just because he's quiet. | ||
| People are like, what's up with him? | ||
| I'm like, I just don't want to talk to people. | ||
| He just... | ||
| Thinks a lot of people are bullshitting, which mainly motherfuckers are. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| He's real conservative. | ||
| But once you get to know him, dude, he's the funniest dude. | ||
| He's always pranking people. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| Yeah, he's a jokester. | ||
| He was really good with his money. | ||
| He paved the way for a lot of Iowa guys coming out of Des Moines. | ||
| He went up to Miletic. | ||
| I followed him. | ||
| I wouldn't be here today if it weren't for him. | ||
| That's a good story, man. | ||
| The guy's an animal. | ||
| Yeah, I was always a big fan of the way he fights, too. | ||
| He fought very smart and very tough. | ||
| Technical, relentless dude. | ||
| Do you see that? | ||
| I'm sure you've seen it, I was going to say, of the video of some dude came into the gym and challenged him, some big-ass dude, and he beat the fuck out of the guy. | ||
| Yeah, he had a story about that. | ||
| That guy was kind of bullying him. | ||
| He said that the guy was real cool. | ||
| Yeah, he said he met him out at the bar. | ||
| And he's like, hey, let me buy you a drink. | ||
| Let me buy you a drink. | ||
| And he's being cool at the bar. | ||
| And he's just like, man, this guy's kind of weird. | ||
| So he kind of separated. | ||
| Didn't have any confrontation. | ||
| The guy was being all cool. | ||
| He says as he was leaving, he's like, man, I went to go get some girls. | ||
| You know, he's like, this guy, there's a lot of dudes at this bar. | ||
| He's like, I left. | ||
| He's like, I look on my phone. | ||
| It's on Facebook. | ||
| This guy's like, F you, dude. | ||
| I'll beat your ass, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Like, you don't know me, da, da, da. | ||
| And Josh is like, okay, bro, I don't even know you. | ||
| But, you know, I thought everything was cool. | ||
| And so out of nowhere, he meets the guy. | ||
| Says, alright man, I'm gonna get out of here. | ||
| And then the guy just starts talking crazy shit after he left. | ||
| And then he keeps harassing Josh and Josh is like, okay bro, I don't get why you're coming at me, but you want to come to the gym, sign the waiver, we can go at it. | ||
| Guys, by the way, way bigger than him. | ||
| Way bigger. | ||
| Way bigger. | ||
| I think he's got some issues. | ||
| Well, Josh fought like 55. Did he fight 72? | ||
| 55, and he fought 70 toward the end. | ||
| This guy's like 220 at least. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Right? | |
| Big dude. | ||
| Enormous dude. | ||
| And he comes in, and I guess Josh sparred a little bit, but he's kind of like conserving. | ||
| And he's like, because I figured this guy was going to come in. | ||
| And he said he came in, and then he's like, let's go. | ||
| And then they laced up and then they fought and then Josh just kind of, you know, just walked forward, just kept his hands up, let the guy kind of bomb and get tired and he eventually took him down and started putting it on him. | ||
| Yeah, he beat the shit out of him. | ||
| But didn't the guy have boxing gloves on? | ||
| Wasn't there something weird like Josh had MMA gloves? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, because he's like, he's like, you want a smaller box? | ||
| And the guy chose the boxing. | ||
| So he chose what he wanted to do. | ||
| So it was like an old school UFC event. | ||
| Like, it was like going down. | ||
| And then the guy was like, wasn't someone trying to press charges on Josh? | ||
| Nah, no charges were ever pressed. | ||
| There was some weirdness going on because it was all over the internet and everybody was talking about what Nir did was kind of fucked up and I'm like, well, I don't know, man. | ||
| When a guy comes to your gym and wants to fight like that, that's a weird predicament for a professional fighter to be in, but it's real common. | ||
| Like, dojo wars have always been common. | ||
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That's cool. | |
| Diaz was in them. | ||
| That's how they say the Gracies back in the day. | ||
| These boxers and weightlifters. | ||
| There's a lot of old school videos of guys who would just come in like, you think you're the man with this jujitsu stuff. | ||
| Let's see it. | ||
| Then they would get beat up and tapped out. | ||
| They obviously had a respect for it. | ||
| That happens in all sorts of martial arts schools. | ||
| That happened in my Taekwondo school all the time. | ||
| Once or twice a year, some guy would come in out of nowhere that wanted to fight. | ||
| And then they would put him in there with a black belt and he'd get kicked in the head. | ||
| It was common. | ||
| It was super common. | ||
| I think that's always going to be the case. | ||
| If you have a place that teaches people how to fight, there's always going to be some fucking wackadoo who thinks he knows how to fight and wants to go in there and duke it out. | ||
| These street guys, man, I don't get it. | ||
| I seen Dominick Cruz on a video not that long ago, an old school video of beating some thug. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
| He comes in and then he's like, no, just stand with me, and this and that. | ||
| Did you ever see that video? | ||
| There's a video of a dojo war where these karate guys beat this homeless guy almost to death. | ||
| And the word was that they beat him to death. | ||
| But they dragged the guy out and threw him in a dumpster. | ||
| But this is a... | ||
| See, I don't know if anybody ever definitively... | ||
| Because this was something that took place in the 1980s. | ||
| And I don't know if they ever... | ||
| It's a fucking very disturbing video to watch. | ||
| Because the guy... | ||
| Like, he was getting his ass kicked and the guy kept beating him up. | ||
| This is it, yeah. | ||
| So, I think the guy who's the homeless guy, who's a... | ||
| Is he wearing the bell bottoms right there? | ||
| Yeah, that dude. | ||
| That dude, see it says right there, mentally challenged man beaten to death by MMA fighter. | ||
| See, it wasn't MMA because there wasn't even MMA back then. | ||
| So the guy behind him, the black guy with the black belt in the white gi, is the guy who beat the fuck out of him. | ||
| And... | ||
| This guy, I guess he was just a crazy person, and these guys exist, that pretended he knew martial arts, and I think he thought he was just gonna go in there and work out or something, and so he's like throwing these little, he's got like a little something, throwing some kicks, but look, he's not, it's not even like he's really trying to hit him, it seems. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| He's kind of crazy. | ||
| But the other guy is like taking his time and he winds up beating the fuck out of him. | ||
| A little inside leg kick. | ||
| So I don't know what style of karate it is, but this is super old school. | ||
| I mean, the video is shitty as fuck. | ||
| See, but he's throwing. | ||
| The other guy's throwing, but he's doing karate. | ||
| Oh, he tried a wheel kick to the leg. | ||
| Sweep the leg! | ||
| It's weird, man. | ||
| It's weird because it's not... | ||
| Oh, see? | ||
| He just connected. | ||
| Left hook. | ||
| The guy just doesn't really know how to fight, but he sort of knows how to look like he's fighting. | ||
| He just crushed him with that punch. | ||
| He's done right there. | ||
| Why are you going to keep pounding him? | ||
| He beats the fuck out of this guy. | ||
| It's way worse than this. | ||
| He head kicks him when he's down. | ||
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There's that knee we're talking about. | |
| The knee to a downed opponent. | ||
| Is that Black Dynamite? | ||
| And he's like, I'm done, I'm done, I'm done. | ||
| He's like, nope. | ||
| So then he comes back. | ||
| See, now he's almost kind of like fighting for his life. | ||
| But he's fighting a guy that's a trained martial artist that's probably been doing this forever because he's a black belt. | ||
| He should have just kind of knocked him and let it be, dude. | ||
| Yeah, he's... | ||
| Oh, they got sound effects. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Yeah, it's unnecessary right there. | ||
| He's out. | ||
| Dude, back of the head. | ||
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He dropped knees in the back of the head. | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Dude, the dude's done. | ||
| You hear that? | ||
| Oh, see? | ||
| He stomps. | ||
| His head stomps. | ||
| Dude, drag him out the back door. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Damn, that's crazy. | ||
| Look at the blood. | ||
| The blood coming out of his head. | ||
| Did that guy ever get in any trouble for that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what the story is behind that. | ||
| This is Snapchat today where you're snitching on yourself right here. | ||
| Basically you need evidence. | ||
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This is the blood. | |
| Departing my dojo. | ||
| Wow, man. | ||
| That's kind of messed up. | ||
|
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There it goes. | |
| Told the date. | ||
| 7 p.m. | ||
| What is this guy trying to go to jail? | ||
| Snapchat. | ||
| Boy, I guess you kind of make the argument that it was a fight. | ||
| So what happens? | ||
| They show where they put the guy? | ||
| Is this outside? | ||
| Is this blood on the ground? | ||
| Did the guy die? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| See if you can find out whatever data is on it. | ||
| My point is, those kind of things, they've happened throughout the history of martial arts schools. | ||
| I saw a bunch of dojo wars back in my Taekwondo days, but I never saw anybody get beaten to death like that. | ||
| Or if the guy was, he could have easily died. | ||
| He got stomped on the head twice while he was unconscious. | ||
| And that was a big guy that stomped him. | ||
| And he stomped him on the temple. | ||
| You could die for that. | ||
| The guy was knocked out with the knees on the ground. | ||
| So he was just trying to get up. | ||
| But you just clear his day. | ||
| The guy's out of his wits. | ||
| Knee him in the back of the head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A couple stomps. | ||
| That's kind of necessary. | ||
| Well, the stomps, too, where his head was flat completely on the ground. | ||
| That guy just stomped his head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Yeah, and it's a guy, obviously a karate guy, who knows how to kick and he's stomping you. | ||
| That's not like a regular person stomping you. | ||
| The guy's gonna get some force behind those stomps. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what happened. | ||
| See what we find out. | ||
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Sorry to be a mood breaker. | |
| What's next for you, brother? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Man, I want the big fights, man. | ||
| I was hoping to get Aldo, you know, but I mean, you know, I know Max Holloway is in front of me and the guys who are in front of me right now are all coming off loss, yeah. | ||
| I don't like the rankings, man. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I just want to fight, man. | ||
| Dude, I'm the type of guy that I just go up. | ||
| Sean Shelby sees me and he looks at me and then he just runs the other way. | ||
| What are the rankings? | ||
| I think I'm number, like, seven. | ||
| But, like, Dennis Bermuda's number six. | ||
| I think he's in front of me. | ||
| See, how's that work? | ||
| See, that's a perfect example. | ||
| How's that work? | ||
| I don't ever pay attention to that, man. | ||
| Honestly, I've been fighting everybody in the 55 and 45 division. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Well, the rankings are based on people's input. | ||
| Who you beat and who they beat. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| It's the input of writers. | ||
| You know, like, here's a perfect example. | ||
| When Conor McGregor knocked out Jose Aldo, some Brazilian writer put him lower on the list than he was before. | ||
| He's just jealous. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, there's a lot of other nutty shit. | ||
| Like, here's a perfect example. | ||
| When Uriah Hall knocked out Gegard Mousasi. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was ranked below him after the fight. | ||
| Below him on the fucking rankings. | ||
| Well, what the fuck is the point of the rankings? | ||
| If you fight a guy, you knock him out. | ||
| You stop him. | ||
| He jumped spinning back, kicked him in the head, and then put him away. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| What more does a guy have to do to get ranked ahead of a guy? | ||
| You know, I guess their idea is that Mosasi has more experience. | ||
| If you watch Uriah Hall fight and you can't tell he's a motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's a beast. | ||
| Then stop! | ||
| Stop watching fights. | ||
| Stop commenting. | ||
| Stop writing shit. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| He won. | ||
| He won, he moves ahead. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I believe that too, man. | ||
| So how the fuck is Dennis Bermudez ahead of you? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think because maybe he beat Max and then I lost to Max. | ||
| When did he beat Max? | ||
| Holloway? | ||
| Yeah, he beat Holloway. | ||
| When did he beat Holloway? | ||
| A couple years ago before Conor did. | ||
| Yeah, Bermudez is a beast, dude. | ||
| He is very good. | ||
| He's very good, no doubt about it. | ||
| I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Bermudez. | ||
| He's an awesome fighter. | ||
| But I did not know that he beat Holloway. | ||
| I thought Holloway's only loss was to Conor. | ||
| Conor and Dennis. | ||
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Oh, no shit, man. | |
| And then he lost to Poirier. | ||
| Well, Alto, Holloway is really young. | ||
| You think when he fought Dennis, I mean, I didn't even know he fought Dennis. | ||
| I'm trying to remember that fight. | ||
| But when he fought Conor, he was really young, too. | ||
| I mean, he's a young kid. | ||
| Yeah, talented. | ||
| I used to train with that guy back and forth, so it was kind of weird fighting him, and that's why maybe the fight just didn't play. | ||
| He knew I had the power, and then he just kind of played this moving around game, and it was just weird, man. | ||
| I really couldn't get into my style of fighting, my rhythm, and it was just kind of like... | ||
| He's clever. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, and he moves a lot. | ||
| Yeah, he's clever in not being there for the big shots. | ||
| He rarely gets hit with big shots. | ||
| He mixes good with switch stances and everything, but just overall, we never really got into a fight, I felt like. | ||
| We just really didn't get in that type of engagement, and it was just weird because I trained with this guy before. | ||
| I knew who he was, and I'm in there, and things are going so slow that I know exactly everything's going on. | ||
| I really just couldn't be in the moment. | ||
| I'm kind of like, man, like I... Know everything. | ||
| Like, I'm seeing people in the front row. | ||
| I just felt really weird. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| So, like, you weren't zoned in? | ||
| Yeah, just didn't have, like, the focus. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Maybe it was just... | ||
| Yeah, he's like... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, right? | ||
| His little... | ||
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His little tattoos had me in the zone or something. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| That was just a weird thing. | ||
| Smart for him, man. | ||
| He's a very clever guy. | ||
| I like the way he fights. | ||
| I like the way he fought Cub Swanson. | ||
| I was super impressed with that. | ||
| Cub is dangerous as fuck. | ||
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Yup. | |
| That's another good one. | ||
| The way he fought Ricardo Lamas. | ||
| He was like, let's just do it right here. | ||
| Fuck, that was crazy. | ||
| Throw it down. | ||
| The end of the fight. | ||
| I'm like, hey, bro, why didn't we do that? | ||
| You know, like, come on, man. | ||
| Yeah, well, there's certain levels of knockout power. | ||
| Yeah, honestly, man, back in the day, dude, I used to throw him around a lot, so I think he just knew that he just wasn't going to try to engage with me, and he just was going to stay away. | ||
| Power's a weird thing, isn't it? | ||
| It's like some guys like you just have certain... | ||
| Yeah, there's just no getting around that. | ||
| There's certain guys that no matter what they do, they'll have great technique, they'll win fights, they'll even knock guys out, but they'll never just be able to just step in and rumble Johnson somebody. | ||
| Yeah, Savage. | ||
| That's just what makes Rumble Johnson him, and that's what makes him me and Robbie Lawler. | ||
| We're probably three in the same. | ||
| And I don't try to be a movement guy. | ||
| I don't try to do this and that. | ||
| I like to be in the fight, getting after it, because I feel like I can break people with that or I'm going to knock you out. | ||
| If not, I'm going to be in shape to go all the rounds. | ||
| Do you ever think that maybe if you could be a movement guy and could do all those other things, you could have that as well? | ||
| Because it's not like your power is ever going to go away. | ||
| You're always going to have that. | ||
| Like when you knocked out Dos Anjos with that uppercut, that's classic... | ||
| Jeremy Stevens, you know, when you knocked out Bermudas with that flying knee. | ||
| You've got that power. | ||
| Like, if you incorporated all those other techniques that you see these other guys doing as well, like, you know, have you ever thought of that? | ||
| Like, maybe just expanding what you do, and also tripping people out, too, because people expect a certain kind of fight from you, because you're so aggressive, you're so, you know, moving forward all the time that if you fought in a different way, it would probably fuck people up. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I'm always trying to work on everything because I feel like you have to be adapting using the Charles Darwin theory. | ||
| It's not the strongest or the smartest. | ||
| It's the person who's willing to adapt to change. | ||
| That's going to be around the longest. | ||
| And you got so many young, talented kids coming up, you know, like... | ||
| Just young, you know, like little Max Holloway, Yair Rodriguez, like these little Pettis, little Pettis bro. | ||
| And, I mean, you got this talent. | ||
| You have to constantly be evolving, getting better, working your game in all angles, jiu-jitsu, wrestling. | ||
| Who is Yair fighting? | ||
| He's fighting someone good. | ||
| Caceres. | ||
| Yes, that's interesting. | ||
| That's going to be another one of those little barns. | ||
| I like Caceres. | ||
| He's a funny dude, man. | ||
| I see that fight going like that Tony Ferguson and that other guy. | ||
| I see that fight, that little funky fight, just action going on. | ||
| Craziness. | ||
| Yeah, like real legit fight. | ||
| Yeah, Rodriguez is no fucking joke, man. | ||
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Yeah, dude. | |
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Those kicks. | ||
| You got to be on your toes, man. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| That dude throws some wild... | ||
| The Andrew Feely fight? | ||
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Oh. | |
| Caught him with that fucking flying roundhouse kick? | ||
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Dude, nasty. | |
| God damn, he's good. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's also like... | ||
| He practices that shit so often. | ||
| Like, you ever see him hit pads? | ||
| He's cruddy. | ||
| Well, Taekwondo. | ||
| He'll throw all that spinning shit in practice all the time. | ||
| It's a part of his normal combinations. | ||
| It's his first nature. | ||
| He's not just trying to do that shit or try to be exciting or something like that. | ||
| He just kind of harnesses his own. | ||
| What did you think of Aldo versus Edgar, the second fight? | ||
| Oh, it was boring, dude. | ||
| Did you think it was boring? | ||
| I think it was boring. | ||
| I think as a fighter, there was a lot of stuff going on at a high level and good stuff going on, but I just thought it was boring. | ||
| I just felt like Aldo just fought to just get by and win. | ||
| Man, see. | ||
| But Frankie didn't look like himself, man. | ||
| I think he got caught a bunch of times. | ||
| I think Aldo looked masterful. | ||
| I thought it was a brilliant fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, if you're going to fight Frankie, that's the way to fight him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he threw very little kicks, countered with punches and movement, and I thought he looked great. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I look at that and I'm like, I see the type of level that is at, but it was a boring fight, but then I also felt like it was kind of weird. | ||
| I didn't see Frankie moving like he did. | ||
| It made me kind of think maybe he was injured. | ||
| I think he just got caught. | ||
| He's a little old guy, too, and Jose's a lot bigger than him, and he's had his number. | ||
| Well, Aldo looked big in that fight, too. | ||
| He looked smaller for the McGregor fight, and I think he concentrated a lot more on strength and conditioning for this fight, and he looked like Aldo of old. | ||
| He looked like the Aldo that knocked out Mendez in Brazil. | ||
| He looked thick. | ||
| So I think... | ||
| Yeah, I think maybe... | ||
| You know, he's had issues back and forth with making 145, so maybe he's got it dialed in better. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I bet he did, because he did look great that fight, and he did fight a smart fight, and I just felt like he could have finished Frankie. | ||
| I felt like he could have did a little bit more, but then I also heard that he didn't want to throw kicks, and he only used his left hand because he had some snitches telling him... | ||
| Like that Frankie was going to take him down off kicks, you know, which... | ||
| But that's obvious, isn't it? | ||
| I mean, obviously Frankie's going to try to take him down off kicks because Aldo's got that nasty left, right leg kick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, he's always throwing kicks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think he's ever really took him down. | ||
| I mean, Aldo just gets right back up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know? | ||
| Well, I mean, he just fought a great fight if you want to beat Frankie. | ||
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Smart fight, yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I liked it. | ||
| I enjoyed it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I thought it was a really good fight. | ||
| But I see your point. | ||
| It wasn't like, ouch! | ||
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I'm shit! | |
| I'm shit! | ||
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It wasn't chaos. | |
| I just think stylistically that doesn't really play out with Frankie and him. | ||
| I think you put me and Aldo in there, or me and McGregor, I think you're going to see a lot of high-level action. | ||
| We're going to be kicking and punching each other, kneeing each other in the face, and it's going to be exciting. | ||
| At the same time, but still very skilled in a method of madness type of way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How old are you now, man? | ||
| 30. Just turned 30. So when you think about your career, do you have it mapped out, like what you're trying to accomplish? | ||
| Do you have an exit strategy? | ||
| Do you know when you're going to be done? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| You're prime right now. | ||
| Athletic prime is like 30 to 34, right? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I mean, look at Robbie Lawler. | ||
| I look up to that guy a lot in the way he's kind of handled his career. | ||
| And who's to say within, you know, what if I go in there in the next like three, four fights, I'm just getting KO'd. | ||
| And then it's like, okay, it's like Sam Stott's like, man, maybe it's time for me to hang up. | ||
| You know then then I would definitely leave home if I'm getting ruined like that and hurting myself I don't want to be brain dead or talking about killing my family because I have trauma injuries or anything like that so definitely not but I definitely want to I have an extra strategy and things that I want to do but as of right now I feel healthy I want I want to keep fighting that's like I said I tell Sean Shelby I'm like man keep me active dude I don't want to fight twice a year You know, that's rough to live off of. | ||
| And I just want to keep fighting because I just want to be right back in the mix. | ||
| Even if I had to go out of top 10 right now because everybody else is kind of lost and I've already fought people or they already got fights, you know, let somebody else from like the 11th or 12th, 13th guy in the rankings who's coming off a win... | ||
| Let's me and him fight, and then we can get right back in the mix so that we can get those Jose Aldos, those Connors, because I want to keep the featherweight exciting, the featherweight division. | ||
| That's why I moved down here. | ||
| I feel like a lot more athletic, explosive, and I want those exciting fights. | ||
| I haven't fought them guys, and I feel like those are great fights for me to go out there and really excel, make some big money, and win, and really just shock the world. | ||
| Well, you've been killing it at featherweight. | ||
| And what do you walk around at? | ||
| What do you weigh? | ||
| Right now, I'm probably like 175, 177. Damn! | ||
| I know. | ||
| I just ran an hour yesterday. | ||
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You lose 30 pounds? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| You lose 30 pounds? | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Dude, you know what's funny, man, is I do all this work. | ||
| I get down, and then they give me this time off. | ||
| I go home. | ||
| I eat a little bit of food. | ||
| And when I'm at home training, that's the worst. | ||
| If I'm traveling, I'm actually all right because I'm not eating everything. | ||
| But when I get home, And my Mexican mamacita's right there just cooking me all the good foods, bro. | ||
| I'm just grubbing down. | ||
| And then I'm like, alright, cool. | ||
| I'm just training, doing my thing, and then boom. | ||
| What kind of diet do you follow? | ||
| Do you have a nutritionist or anything? | ||
| Yeah, George Lockhart, Fitness VT. Oh, you have George. | ||
| Okay, great. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| He's just brilliant. | ||
| I've been working with him for years. | ||
| He's a guy that doesn't get enough credit. | ||
| No, he doesn't. | ||
| Because he's worked with a lot of athletes and a lot of fighters and done a fantastic job. | ||
| He's really good. | ||
| And military, too. | ||
| He knows what he's doing, man. | ||
| He doesn't charge me $10,000 a camp. | ||
| So I think he's great. | ||
| I've been working with him since the beginning. | ||
| I've preached this guy, and he's amazing, man. | ||
| He's really... | ||
| I actually had him a lot in my corner, and him coming to the last fight, seeing me work out, and he's just like, man, dude. | ||
| He's like, you're on your stuff, dude. | ||
| And everything that he gives me, the diet, and... | ||
| I feel good, man. | ||
| I feel good at featherweight. | ||
| So when you work with a guy like George Lockhart, what's the protocol? | ||
| How's he set up your camp? | ||
| It's all computerized. | ||
| I can basically just go into the computer, type in my weight, the times that I'm training, the hours that I'm training to, the intensity, and then I type in my weight. | ||
| I wake up in the morning, weigh myself, And then I type that into the computer, and then the computer just goes off of day-to-day basics. | ||
| Like, say if I don't have kefir, I can substitute for egg whites, and it's all computerized. | ||
| If I need any help or I'm like, hey, I'm not doing this, he'll adjust a little bit of things for me. | ||
| It's basically right there on the computer. | ||
| Do you get blood work done where you find your nutrient levels or find what you need or what you need to supplement with? | ||
| I have a long time ago. | ||
| I haven't done that recently, but a nutritionist like George Lockhart, I feel great. | ||
| Honestly, I feel amazing. | ||
| When I'm feeling good and I'm in that right mindset and training hard, I feel good. | ||
| But no, I haven't gotten the blood work done in a while, but I did do that. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| It's all computerized, so you write your weight, you type your weight in, and you type what you say if you've got a strength and conditioning day, and he adjusts your caloric intake accordingly? | ||
| Yep, calorie intake. | ||
| It depends on what you're doing. | ||
| And it's a program that does all this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has it all programmed. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I'm not for sure the exact details how he does that. | ||
| That's his thing and why he makes his money. | ||
| So does it show you immediately or do you send him the information and then he sends it back to you? | ||
| Immediately. | ||
| I just click it in. | ||
| And then it shows you? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It shows me right there. | ||
| Then by Saturday or Sunday, it adjusts for the work week so they can see how much I'm losing. | ||
| If I need to... | ||
| Lower the calorie intake or if like maybe like I'm feeling kind of lethargic and my weight's good, he'll up a little bit of carbs for me. | ||
| You know, if I call him like, hey man, you know, I've been doing good. | ||
| I've been killing it this week, but you know, I'm just, my weight's down. | ||
| He's like, oh, weight's good. | ||
| Okay, let's get a little bit more half of a sweet potato or a little bit more oatmeal before practice or something like that. | ||
| So he's very smart, man. | ||
| He's very real calculated in his approach and it's interesting to learn from. | ||
| And the nutrition and everything that I get, all natural. | ||
| What's George's background? | ||
| He's a military guy. | ||
| He told me that he was actually a chunkier kid growing up and then he just got into diet and nutrition and losing weight and then he got into the military and helping out the military with nutrition. | ||
| That's interesting that he's devised a computer program. | ||
| I haven't heard of anybody else that does that where you can enter in all the data and it gives you instant results. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Check that out. | ||
| That's very interesting. | ||
| I want to check out his stuff. | ||
| I'm going to go look at this. | ||
| FitnessVT.com. | ||
| I've been trying to get people on this a long time ago. | ||
| I'm just like, man, it's simple. | ||
| It's easy to sign up. | ||
| What does VT stand for? | ||
| I'm not for sure. | ||
| FitnessVT. | ||
| I'm not sure with that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So when you work with him, say if you start now and you're 177 pounds, how much time do you need to get down to 145 and what do you weigh before you start the big cut, before you dehydrate yourself? | ||
| I would only need nine weeks, nine, ten weeks, and I'll be ready to go. | ||
| And then, you know, the... | ||
| The thing with now without the IVs is I've been putting in a lot of road work on top of things. | ||
| I've just been putting in extra credit. | ||
| The road work, the runs, the swims, the cycling. | ||
| I'm into all that now as far as pushing cardio pace. | ||
| But a lot of people, they work out, they work out, they work out, and then they just do these drastic weight cuts. | ||
| And I used to do these. | ||
| And I'd still feel fine, but I was cutting so much weight, man, and it really started to hurt. | ||
| I mean, I'm laying in my deathbed. | ||
| And it was like a nasty baptism. | ||
| And now, you know, with these runs and burning fats, I've learned how to stay smart and learn like, okay, now you need three weeks hard and then like a week of recovery like on runs. | ||
| And running like after, say we do like 75 minutes of just straight wrestling, and then I'll go run another 45 to an hour just at a real low pace that I'm just burning fats, burning calories. | ||
| And like throughout the week, I'm burning like a pound and a half to two pounds per week, just depending on my body fat. | ||
| And as slowly I get down, I just keep niching, niching, niching. | ||
| And then come time to the weight cut, I'm only cutting, you know, 12 pounds. | ||
| You know, granted I've cut a lot over the time, but I've burned a lot of body fat. | ||
| And then at that point, your body starts to just rejuvenate and you're recovering and you're burning more than you're eating. | ||
| And then I'm dropping weight. | ||
| It makes the weight cut a lot easier. | ||
| Then once I do the water loads and more towards the weight cut, it's just that much easier. | ||
| And it's a lot easier going in, you know, not like, man, I've got to cut another 15 pounds and I'm already fucking dying, dude. | ||
| That shit sucks, dude. | ||
| I've done it. | ||
| I'm looking at a guy like you, you know, if I didn't know any better, like if I wasn't involved in the sport, and I saw a guy like you that's 177, 175, whatever you're at, and someone said, you're going to fight at 145, I'd be like, what? | ||
| Like, you're not, he doesn't have any fat to lose. | ||
| Like, I'm looking at you like, you don't have, you're not fat at all at 175. I've always been solid. | ||
| I've never been real fluffed up or anything. | ||
| I've always just been one of those solid guys. | ||
| You've never seen me get tossed around or anything like that. | ||
| I've always just been solid. | ||
| Well, that's why it's crazy to think that you could even get down to 145. I don't really lift a lot of weights. | ||
| I do a lot of more footwork, explosions with medicine balls and kettlebells and And a lot of sprints. | ||
| You know, I focus on cardio. | ||
| Cardio is king, man. | ||
| It really is, right? | ||
| Yep, and it helps your mental out a lot and helps weight cuts a lot easier. | ||
| A lot of people don't do that. | ||
| They just train, train, train, kill themselves. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| And then they go and cut all that weight and they don't understand this. | ||
| How does cardio help your mental state? | ||
| The runs? | ||
| And the weight cuts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just like, I don't know, man, you just go through breakthroughs. | ||
| Like when you don't want to run and it's like you're tired after 75 minutes and you're like, man, fuck, dude, I got to do this run. | ||
| But then when you do it, and you're like, man, I don't want to do it. | ||
| Like, you got 20 more minutes, and you're just like, 20 more minutes. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, I'm going to pick up the pace a little bit, or I'm going to keep going through. | ||
| Sometimes you'll just kind of get ran down, ran down, and then all of a sudden you'll hit that final run or next run and then boom, you have a breakthrough. | ||
| Next thing you know, next week you're recovering a little bit faster. | ||
| You notice that the fresh guys that are coming in, they're getting more tired than you in just one round. | ||
| And you start having these little mental breakthroughs and these little psychological steps. | ||
| You ever read The Art of War? | ||
| It's just like little moves like that that you can kind of see that are approaching your game. | ||
| And it's just the... | ||
| The psychological effect that, like, hey man, I've done this cardio and then I ran for this amount. | ||
| I mean, the last camp I ran to Brazil and back, basically. | ||
| It's how much I ran, so I was like, dude, there's no way that this guy's gonna push a pace that I can't handle, you know? | ||
| And it's just these mental breakthroughs that the runs really help. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| So, what kind of strength and conditioning, like, what kind of cardio do you do outside of running? | ||
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Sprints. | |
| Sprints. | ||
| A lot of sprints. | ||
| But that's running too, right? | ||
| You heard, like, Dominic Cruz. | ||
| I mean, that guy just moves, moves, moves, moves. | ||
| Yeah, sprints. | ||
| That's just part of running. | ||
| And then, you know, just strength conditioning. | ||
| Mixing in sprints with a lot of explosive movements, a lot of footwork, lateral drills. | ||
| A lot of that stuff that, what's his name again? | ||
| Yeah, Nadia Aguilar does. | ||
| I mean, I work with George Castro now at Alliance MMA. He's been with me for a while. | ||
| And he's the guy that really, he's like my big brother. | ||
| When I don't want to do shit and he's like, no, we're going to get this done. | ||
| He's that little voice that's like, yeah, you can, but it's a real voice. | ||
| He's that dude who can turn it all the way up. | ||
| Somebody that can really push me. | ||
| You know, some guys are just like, if this guy was over here, no offense, if he's yelling at me, he's like, do these sprints. | ||
| I'm like, come on, bro. | ||
| No offense, but you looked him right in the eye. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| He's offended. | ||
| And, you know, George Coyote is just that guy. | ||
| He's like my big brother. | ||
| He's like, hey, let's get this done. | ||
| You know him really well. | ||
| You want to win? | ||
| He's like, you want to win? | ||
| I'm like, yeah. | ||
| And I connect with him mentally. | ||
| It's like I can feel, bro. | ||
| He's got a big heart. | ||
| He cares. | ||
| He's really pushing you to the top. | ||
| Man, we've been dominant lately. | ||
| So when you're doing sprints, and what other kind of things are you doing conditioning-wise? | ||
| We hit the track. | ||
| We hit the track usually about every Saturday. | ||
| We're doing a lot of lateral drills. | ||
| We're doing 100-yard sprints. | ||
| We're running around full track sprint. | ||
| So a lot of it is legs. | ||
| A lot of legs. | ||
| Cardio, man. | ||
| Cardio is king. | ||
| A lot of running. | ||
| Do you do the aerodyne? | ||
| Are you doing anything with your arms? | ||
| We do the aerodynes. | ||
| We do lateral drills, explosives, medicine balls, throws, kettlebells. | ||
| What is that wheel with your hands that you do? | ||
| That's like a bike with your hands? | ||
| A lot of guys do. | ||
| Do you do that thing? | ||
| You know what I'm talking about? | ||
| No. | ||
| You know the thing I'm talking about? | ||
| Yeah, Brock Lesnar had that thing. | ||
| I've never done that. | ||
| I used the old school speed bag. | ||
| Oh, is that what you did? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That or just get my, Miguel Reyes, my boxing coach, dude. | ||
| He'll have you throwing like 5,000 punches in a round. | ||
| You know, that guy's the man. | ||
| He's Mexican style. | ||
| He's from Tijuana. | ||
| You know, he's an old school Thai boxer. | ||
| Yeah, isn't it funny how many fucking badass fighters came out of Mexico? | ||
| It's kind of crazy when you really stop and think about it. | ||
| They live in a different world, man. | ||
| You're talking about drug lords. | ||
| If you go down to their gym, they'll probably shoot you. | ||
| Like, hey, I want to challenge you. | ||
| See ya. | ||
| And ain't nobody going to care or mention a damn thing or put it on camera. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, that's a different world they live in down there. | ||
| Do you monitor your heart rate? | ||
| Yep, I sure do. | ||
| I do the VO2 max and all that. | ||
| I know what zones to kind of stay in when I'm just kind of slowly doing my runs. | ||
| But then at the same time, you can't be a pussy and manage your heart rate. | ||
| You've got to fucking get after it. | ||
| You've got to break yourself, dude. | ||
| There's so many times that I wanted to quit and that I just felt like crying and it was just done. | ||
| I pushed myself. | ||
| But then, boom, I had those mental breakthroughs. | ||
| Like, you know what? | ||
| I fucking finished it, dude. | ||
| I did it. | ||
| Most people went home after wrestling. | ||
| I mean, there's times where I find myself in the gym still running like on the treadmill or running at the beach and no one's around. | ||
| No one. | ||
| I'll hit up some of my friends like, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I'll have one guy come in and run with me a few times, but sometimes I find myself alone or my strength conditioning coach will put us through a workout, and then I'll go run another 45, 75, or an hour and a half, and I'll look to my left, look to my right, and no one's there. | ||
| Just like my coach. | ||
| And I'll be like, where they at, George? | ||
| Where they at? | ||
| Like the D-ads, you know? | ||
| Because his name's George. | ||
| I'll be like, where they at, George? | ||
| And he's like, that's why you're fucking savage, dude. | ||
| That's why you're going to win. | ||
| And that's really what it comes down to. | ||
| But as far as the heart rate, I get it. | ||
| I do it. | ||
| I follow that program. | ||
| But then there's also a time to... | ||
| Kill yourself on sprints. | ||
| You know, not like sparring. | ||
| I don't spar all the time. | ||
| I barely spar at all. | ||
| I spar probably once a week. | ||
| Right now, I haven't sparred since my fight. | ||
| I've done tie drills and drilling and wrestling and strength conditioning. | ||
| I've already been doing sprints and running. | ||
| I just ran an hour easily yesterday, and I just don't spar, spar, spar, spar. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| Preserve. | ||
| I mean, you can only get hit so many times. | ||
| Well, I already know I'm tough. | ||
| I already know I can fight. | ||
| But when it comes time to end camp, I do my sparring. | ||
| Probably by Friday, I'll spar two rounds, take a round off, spar a round, be done. | ||
| You know, Alliance is one of the best gyms in the world, and Eric Del Fiero doesn't get enough credit. | ||
| He's one of those guys. | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| He's just a quiet guy, doesn't need a lot of attention. | ||
| I always put him in the category of like, Mark Henry's another one of those guys, doesn't get enough credit, just sort of like lays back, is not like one of those guys that puts a lot of the spotlight on himself. | ||
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| But he's done a phenomenal job. | ||
| That gym is amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So many great fighters come out of there as well. | ||
| We actually got dorms now. | ||
| So these young Mexican fighters and people from all over are starting to come into the gym. | ||
| We have these little dorms right next to the gym that are open now that are available. | ||
| We got Dominick Cruz just won the title. | ||
| You got me winning. | ||
| You got Phil Davis winning. | ||
| He's about to fight for a title. | ||
| Justin Lawrence is back. | ||
| I mean, Ross Pearson's there. | ||
| He's fighting Jorge Masvidal coming up. | ||
| So all these guys were putting on good win streaks. | ||
| So Pearson's fighting at 170? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| So Ross is moving to 170? | ||
| Nah, I think he's just... | ||
| Because Masvidal is 170. Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Unless Masvidal is going down to 55 again. | ||
| Nah, he's fine at 170. Oh. | ||
| Yeah, because he just had that close fight with Will. | ||
| I think he maybe lost the first or two rounds, and then at the end, Ross was putting it on him. | ||
| I guess he just hit up Joe. | ||
| He was like, hey, I heard old boy backed out. | ||
| I'm ready to go. | ||
| Weight's good. | ||
| And Joe was like, yeah. | ||
| Because Ross was fighting at 45 for a little bit. | ||
| Tried 45, but goddamn, he was scared. | ||
| He didn't like that. | ||
| Yeah, he didn't like that at all. | ||
| He's cutting a lot of weight and I don't know if he was doing it properly or whatnot, but he just didn't like it and he likes finding 55. Ross likes to lift and he's a big dude. | ||
| He's got some big legs on him. | ||
| He's a power guy. | ||
| 45 is tough, dude. | ||
| Yeah, I would imagine. | ||
| It takes everything I got, but I kind of like putting it to that point where it's breaking the edge, you know, because there's a point where, like, I'm nice, I'm fine, you know, like, you fight. | ||
| You know, the whole weigh-in thing, we'll get into that a little bit later, about how you can weigh in early and then you eat. | ||
| I kind of like that edge, you know, where I feel like I'm dying and then, like, I look that guy in the eye who's, you know, I think about who he could beat me or this and that, you know, I'm training for him the whole camp. | ||
| I kind of like that edge, that switch, that meanness. | ||
| It's on, motherfucker. | ||
| I've been training a long time. | ||
| I've put everything into this and it really takes all I got to make 45. I kind of like that switch for me. | ||
| Some people may be different. | ||
| You like the fact that you know that he's got to go through that as well. | ||
| I like the fact that it takes everything I have and all the discipline and all hard training to make 145 pounds. | ||
| And once I'm there, I feel mean, I feel ferocious, I feel mentally strong, and it takes everything I got. | ||
| And I like doing that because I'm going to be at my best and I'm going to perform at my best when it's like that. | ||
| It's a good mental switch for me to have. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| That's my style. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| You know, Conor McGregor's coach was talking about that he thinks that Conor not cutting weight was probably a bad thing for him. | ||
| And that, you know, fighting Diaz and just being able to eat whatever he wanted and not go through the grueling pattern that he's gone through all these other fights. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look at his demeanor, though, at the weigh-ins. | ||
| Where at 45, he looks like a savage. | ||
| I mean, he looks like death, like we all do. | ||
| But he looks like he's like, you know what? | ||
| I'm ready. | ||
| I'm ready to get after it. | ||
| He looks mean. | ||
| When he came in and fought Diaz, he's like smiling and he's all happy. | ||
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| Yeah, you see his demeanor. | ||
| He's like, oh, you know, nothing's going on. | ||
| It's like, okay, now these guys that are weighing in, does that take away a little bit of the intensity? | ||
| You know, I was kind of asking Dominic that a little bit. | ||
| And he's just like, nah, I'm still going to get after it. | ||
| Because I was like, man, if I go back and I already eat a steak and I come in, am I going to be that intense at the weigh-ins? | ||
| Oh, you mean what you're saying is because there's new weigh-in rules where you can weigh in way earlier. | ||
| So when they announce the weigh-ins now, like say if the fighters weigh in at 4 o'clock, you've already weighed in. | ||
| You weighed in at 10 o'clock in the morning. | ||
| So you've already had a chance to rehydrate, get some food, and then you get back on this. | ||
| The good thing is everybody looks way healthier. | ||
| When they weigh in. | ||
| Because, man, like Connor is a perfect example. | ||
| Some guys would weigh in. | ||
| James Irvin was probably the worst ever. | ||
| James Irvin, when he would fight at 185, like Jesus Christ, you'd see him. | ||
| He was so drained. | ||
| Oh my god, man. | ||
| He was so drained. | ||
| He looked crazy. | ||
| It looked like he was about to die. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The first time I made 45, I remember seeing you and Dana, and Dana was like, you alright? | ||
| And I was like, yeah. | ||
| Like, yeah, I'm alright. | ||
| And that was IV days, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How much of a difference is it using an IV and not using an IV? I don't really feel a difference, to be honest. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, George Lockhart, he may be changing that for me because of his nutrition that he's there. | ||
| His whole team's there just feed me coming in, knocking on my hotel room and like, eat this, do this at this time, and it just makes it easier. | ||
| And then, you know, they rehydrate me properly, and I believe in those guys and my team and the rehydration, and I feel the same. | ||
| If not, I feel better. | ||
| So that's interesting. | ||
| You feel better. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Yeah, some guys have said that. | ||
| Like, Joe Silva was actually telling me that it's actually more effective to do it orally. | ||
| Orally, yep. | ||
| A lot of doctors said that. | ||
| One of my doctors, Brad Archer, back home said that he gave me... | ||
| A lot of tips, you know, because when this came in, I'm like, I'm freaking out. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, dude, they're taking me these IVs. | ||
| I'm going to have to go back to 55. You know, I'm freaking out, you know, and they were sending me all this stuff, you know, and I read a lot about it because I was like, all right, well, do this. | ||
| And then I met Daryl Christian, one of my wrestling coaches, who's a phenom, Olympian, and he's just like, we got to put in this road work, dude. | ||
| He's like, we got to start building you a cardio base. | ||
| He's like, you've always just killed yourself, killed yourself, and then had to kill yourself making weight. | ||
| He's like, you never built a cardio base. | ||
| You never had a solid foundation. | ||
| So then we started these heart rate monitors, VO2s, and putting in these run programs, putting in these different sprints. | ||
| But you were always in good shape. | ||
| What do you mean by you didn't have a cardio base? | ||
| I was more or less just sprint. | ||
| I was just top heavy. | ||
| I never really had a low intensity. | ||
| What is it like the VO2 max, the reason why people do that is because a lot of people wanted to know how they would build endurance. | ||
| And people think that you just need to sprint, sprint, sprint, sprint, sprint, and you're going to be in good shape. | ||
| Granted, you might be in good shape, but none of them had a low base cardio where they would just run at like say like a 4.8 or 5.0 on a treadmill for a long period of time. | ||
| And that's actually how you build the anaerobic system a lot better is through low-base cardio. | ||
| It's not high-base. | ||
| Anaerobic system? | ||
| Or is it? | ||
| Aerobic. | ||
| Aerobic, yeah. | ||
| Aerobic system. | ||
| Anaerobic is like exploding. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They find that you can expand recovery and work harder in a lactic threshold by doing the low-base cardio. | ||
| Like Diaz does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's real low weight, but it's just constant pressure. | ||
| Because you got that guy who's going to sprint, and he's going to head out, and then he's going to drop down in that round, and the guy might be here. | ||
| But then he's going to sprint, but then he's just going to slowly start to pull. | ||
| And that's how Diaz, he slowly just kind of passes you. | ||
| The guy may sprint and be punching and punching, but then he just sticks. | ||
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Pop, pop, pop. | |
| Yeah, well, Diaz is hitting you with 50% punches, but he's hitting you with 30 times more than you're throwing. | ||
| Constant, constant. | ||
| And then in the rounds, he's able to recover even better while you're already at lactic threshold. | ||
| Then you try to fire up the heart rate again, and it's like, dude, your body's like, man, it's just shot. | ||
| And they found out through those VO2s and those runs that... | ||
| The aerobic base is built more through low-base cardio. | ||
| And that's what he's talking about, building the base, because you can't just build a house. | ||
| Low-base cardio? | ||
| Yeah, low-base, low-base. | ||
| And you can't just build a house without a base. | ||
| And you need that base. | ||
| And that's what I really started learning. | ||
| And honestly, I feel a lot more efficient. | ||
| I feel a lot more healthier. | ||
| And my cardio is even a lot better in the fights, I believe. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| So the long runs and the long cardio... | ||
| It was sort of like a solid foundation and then sprints on top of that. | ||
| Explosion on top of that. | ||
| Gotta do it all, man. | ||
| Do you follow like a Tabata protocol or anything like that? | ||
| Do you know what that is? | ||
| No, what's Tabata? | ||
| Tabata is an endurance protocol that... | ||
| I don't know why it's called Tabata, but I believe it's like 20-second sprints followed by 10 seconds of rest and 20-second sprints. | ||
| My friend John Rollo told me about it, and a lot of athletes apparently follow it. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| What is Tabata? | ||
| Tabata training is one of the most popular forms of high-intensity interval training. | ||
| It consists of eight rounds of ultra-high-intensity exercises in a specific 20 seconds on, 10 seconds off interval. | ||
| So when it says eight rounds, so I guess eight 20-second sprints and eight 10-second rests. | ||
| I do a little bit of Tabata training for sure. | ||
| I mean, we even go even doing 30 seconds, 45 seconds, and then eventually it peaks off in itself. | ||
| But yeah, for sure, 100% be doing that as well. | ||
| And then low-base training. | ||
| That's interesting that you're a big proponent of that long, slow style because that was one of the things that some people that weren't fighters but were strength and conditioning people would say that that's not going to benefit you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, they would say that's not what you need to do in a fight because a fight is, you know, explosion, it's fast, you don't have that slow running thing. | ||
| But old school, like old school boxers, they all ran like that. | ||
| They all ran long miles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they ran slow. | ||
| Do you ever see Mike Tyson in his early days? | ||
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Yep. | |
| Just slowly running. | ||
| Yeah, get up at 4 a.m. | ||
| And he would just run five miles. | ||
| I mean, five miles, you could probably get done within low pace, you know, 35, 45 minutes. | ||
| You know, that's kind of interesting because my strength and conditioning coach now, George Castro, he used to work out with Don Frye, and he'd just be like... | ||
| He'd be like, man, one day I was stretching, and then Don's like, what the fuck are you doing? | ||
| Get your gloves on. | ||
| Get in the ring. | ||
| And he's like, take off your shirt. | ||
| Let's do this. | ||
| And then they just go. | ||
| But there was no structure to it. | ||
| But now we're meeting these coaches and the scientists behind it. | ||
| And my Olympian coach, Daryl Christian, he's just like, dude, you cannot build high-base cardio by sprint, sprint, sprint, killing yourself. | ||
| He's like, we've got to build this low base. | ||
| And he's also a spinal surgeon. | ||
| You know, he's also been in the game for a long time. | ||
| And he's like, that's how all these fighters and top-notch guys would stay in shape all year round. | ||
| It was drilling, drilling, drilling, drilling. | ||
| And he's like, we would just do long runs. | ||
| Anytime we get a break, we had to be doing long runs like every other day. | ||
| And he's like, that's where we were able to make weight, stay on task, and be in shape all the time. | ||
| Well, it totally makes sense, man. | ||
| And it really makes sense when you talk about the Diaz brothers. | ||
| You know, I was saying Diaz, but really both Diaz brothers. | ||
| Nate is a little different than Nick, because Nate will explode more than Nick. | ||
| Nate has a little more firepower when he goes after dudes. | ||
| But both those guys are known for doing triathlons and, you know, Nick even more so than Nate. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| They smoke weed, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then they go out and then they'll just run forever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's okay. | ||
| You know, you're just building that base, building that cardio, and they have those mental breakthroughs. | ||
| Like, dude, I ran... | ||
| Three hours after practice, like, what the fuck are you going to do to me? | ||
| I'm going to keep pacing on you. | ||
| And you'll see it. | ||
| I can break people in the gym by constant pressure, pace, and then, like, I can recover within 20, 30 seconds while they're like... | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, and their body's just breaking down, and it truly does work, and it's just a simple science. | ||
| Isn't it funny because the glamour stuff is explosions, right? | ||
| The glamour stuff is cleans and snatches. | ||
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Let this tire. | |
| Yeah, throwing fucking tires around a parking lot and sledgehammering a tire. | ||
| There's Onnit kettlebells that look like they're 10 pounds that weigh like 100. Well, have you ever done the Keith Weber extreme kettlebell cardio workout? | ||
| No. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Is that on the line? | ||
| Yeah, what's crazy about it is you do it with a 35-pound kettlebell. | ||
| You're like, bitch-ass, 35-pound kettlebell. | ||
| What the fuck's that going to do? | ||
| It seems like nothing. | ||
| It's not glamorous because it's light. | ||
| But man, it breaks you. | ||
| Keith Weber. | ||
| It fucking breaks you. | ||
| Yeah, we have it. | ||
| I'll have Onnit send you one, man. | ||
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All right, hell yeah. | |
| I think there's one, two, and I think he has a three out now. | ||
| But Dan, he's a stud. | ||
| I've had that guy in here too. | ||
| He's a fucking master when it comes to these workouts. | ||
| And it's the same thing. | ||
| It's 45 minutes, man. | ||
| And it just breaks you down. | ||
| I do it. | ||
| And when I start out... | ||
| For the first 20 seconds, I'm like, how am I even gonna get tired doing this? | ||
| Two minutes later, I'm like, oh my god, I gotta do 38 more minutes of this? | ||
| How the fuck am I gonna do this? | ||
| The glamorous shit is like explosions, right? | ||
| The glamorous shit is ridiculous. | ||
| Hit in the back. | ||
| But it's that slow. | ||
| It's more fun to do anyway. | ||
| Is this it? | ||
| It's Aubrey doing it. | ||
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It's not a video. | |
| See, it seems like not that big a deal, right? | ||
| Like, what are you doing? | ||
| You've got this little bitch-ass weight. | ||
| You're only doing 35 pounds. | ||
| But... | ||
| Long periods of time doing just difficult shit like this. | ||
| Just constantly moving and squatting and throwing it around. | ||
| I think there's something real to running, man. | ||
| I think running is something, there's something about long, slow running. | ||
| It's the mental. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I think it is that, too. | ||
| Challenge anybody to go out on a run and Don't take your phone. | ||
| Just go out on a run where you have to run, like, say you run two, two and a half miles. | ||
| You don't listen to music? | ||
| And you have to go back. | ||
| I do. | ||
| But a lot of people, they just, they'll run like 15 minutes and like they're done. | ||
| When you say don't take your phone... | ||
| Just really try to challenge yourself. | ||
| Sometimes I listen to music and sometimes I just like to listen to my thoughts. | ||
| Like, what am I thinking right now? | ||
| What are my thoughts? | ||
| What are my thoughts bringing me? | ||
| It's hard, dude. | ||
| You'll find out it's more mentally than anything, than the physical. | ||
| Do you get addicted to that runner's high? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
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You know what? | |
| Sex is better, dude. | ||
| You know, sex, sleep. | ||
| Sex is better. | ||
| Sleep. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, dude. | ||
| Especially when you do an incline sprints. | ||
| I just feel like your testosterone is a little more boosted up. | ||
| My girl appreciates a good sprint. | ||
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| Anytime you're doing, like, real intense stuff, like high-intensity things like sprinting, they say is really good for your testosterone. | ||
| Yeah, and natural. | ||
| Hill sprints in particular, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Hill sprints or inclines, treadmills, you know, even working with kettlebells. | ||
| You ever hit, like, a good kettlebell session and you're just like, man, I feel freaking good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Your testosterone's moving, you just feel, you know, a lot more BC. Yeah, it's interesting how high-intensity stuff does that. | ||
| It, like, spikes your endocrine system. | ||
| Yeah, I love that. | ||
| I like that feel, man. | ||
| It's a natural, good feeling that I have. | ||
| I'm 30 years old and never injected anything in my life. | ||
| And I like that high and the mental aspect of it. | ||
| And that's kind of interesting, too, because people who do take steroids, it's like, man, now that that little edge that they got, that little high that they were getting, they're just like, yeah, I'm killing it. | ||
| But then when they stop doing that, mentally, they get fucked, dude. | ||
| They're like, dude, like, man, am I still the same guy? | ||
| My body looks different. | ||
| I never really put in the work. | ||
| Well, Dan Gamble used to say that. | ||
| You know, and then when you think about it, you're like, man, their mental's got to be broken. | ||
| You know, like, what the hell? | ||
| Do you ever see Dan Gable or hear him talk about that when he was competing against the Russians back during the doping days where the Russians, he knew they were all on steroids, but his philosophy was... | ||
| They just got banned from the Olympics, too. | ||
| They didn't, actually. | ||
| They changed it. | ||
| They were about to get banned totally, but they pulled back, and they got a real problem with Brazil. | ||
| Do you hear those Australian people who are staying in the Olympic Village? | ||
| They're like, this fucking place, the toilets are all backed up, there's electrical wires hanging out of the fucking walls, it's not safe, and... | ||
| What's over the Dan Gable thing though? | ||
| Oh, sorry. | ||
| Dan Gable is a fucking animal, right? | ||
| One of the best wrestlers ever. | ||
| Dan said that when he was competing that he felt like it didn't matter if those guys did steroids because they didn't do the work. | ||
| So they knew that they didn't do the work. | ||
| So in their head, if one thing went wrong, they would unfold and fall apart and he would break them. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He felt like he had a mental advantage over guys that did steroids, the guys that cheated, that they were not going to be able to beat him. | ||
| It didn't matter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he was right. | ||
| I mean, he beat everybody. | ||
| No, I believe that. | ||
| Like I said, when you're doing these runs and these mental breakthroughs and you're really putting in the work and when it's all said and done and then you're peaking and everything kind of wears off and everything's just flowing, right? | ||
| It's like you just look in the mirror and you're like, look at that guy and you're just like, dude, There's nothing that you can do that's going to break me. | ||
| I've already been broken down many of times. | ||
| The same thing the Army does. | ||
| They break you down to build you up. | ||
| And then when you're in that complete... | ||
| When you've pushed yourself past your limits and you've had those mental breakthroughs of where you've thought about quitting, but then you kept going, and then you did it again and again and again, and you keep pushing. | ||
| Like your boy did the 100 miles. | ||
| Now he's going to do 200. You know, just mentally, he has an advantage over a lot of people. | ||
| You get comfortable in that horrible state. | ||
| Yeah, being uncomfortable. | ||
| Uncomfortable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dan Gable, though, there's a cautionary tale in that as well, because Dan Gable's had, like, two hip replacements, knee replacements. | ||
| Like, his body broke. | ||
| He's so tough, he broke his body. | ||
| And that is, you know, I've always wondered about guys like maybe Cain Velasquez or these guys that are constantly getting injured. | ||
| Like, they're almost too tough. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Maybe they're not training right. | ||
| You know, you've got to stay up on rehab. | ||
| As much as you're training, man, I'm at home. | ||
| You know, everybody's talking about Netflix and chill. | ||
| When I go home, I'm on a lacrosse ball. | ||
| I'm on a foam roller. | ||
| I got a bo staff stick that I had tipped, you know, getting into my neck. | ||
| A what? | ||
| Like a bo staff? | ||
| A bo staff? | ||
| Yeah, and I had my... | ||
| You mean like guys hit each other with? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I had it tipped out so that I can dig into my neck, my pecs, I can put it in the wall so it has a point at the top. | ||
| You get it shaved down like a pencil? | ||
| Yeah, pretty much. | ||
| So you're jabbing yourself with a fucking vampire steak? | ||
| Yep, right into all my muscles that are sore. | ||
| And you do it yourself? | ||
| Yeah, myofascial release. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| And you stick it in your neck? | ||
| Yep, neck, pecs, subscap, you know, I get in my, you know, breaking up my abdominals, getting into my calves, you know, when I'm at home, you know, because I get like rehab from Have you ever used one of these things, man? | ||
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This is one of those supernovas. | |
| I like that one, but I like the big one even better. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| The WOD Supernova from Rogue Fitness. | ||
| They have those. | ||
| I live by that big one, man. | ||
| I like the little one, but honestly... | ||
| These are more pinpoint. | ||
| The big ones will break up the bigger areas, and it's good. | ||
| But then once you break that down, you want to get even more pinpoint. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And lacrosse ball. | ||
| Lacrosse ball is just as good in a lot of ways. | ||
| That one's got a little bit more texture to it, so some people like that. | ||
| Yeah, this is legit right here. | ||
| Rogue? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Rogue Fitness, they got a lot of great shit, man. | ||
| I got one of those reverse hyper machines from them, too, in the back. | ||
| You ever use that reverse hyper? | ||
| Yeah, hyper ice? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Reverse hyper is a decompression machine. | ||
| You lift with it. | ||
| Louis Simmons from Westside Barbell invented it. | ||
| And what it is is you... | ||
| Here, show it right here. | ||
| It's like it pulls you down. | ||
| Show them in a video, if you can. | ||
| You lean your body over this platform, and then when you let the weight down, it's like an active decompression for your back. | ||
| That's Louie Simmons. | ||
| He's a... | ||
| Pretty much a legendary power lifter guy, but also a super smart dude. | ||
| And so when she's lifting it up there, when it's going down, it's decompressing her spine. | ||
| So it's strengthening it on the up, but on the down, it's pulling it apart. | ||
| Because the distance that the weight travels underneath you, it acts for an active decompression of the back. | ||
| It's phenomenal, man. | ||
| I was having some back issues, and that thing helped me a lot. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Do you do any yoga or anything like that? | ||
| Yeah, I do hot yoga. | ||
| When I'm in camp, every Friday at 4.30 I go and do a hot yoga and I do an hour and a half. | ||
| And that in itself is a mental thing you've got to get through. | ||
| Because I look over and I'm like, damn, it's got to be like an hour. | ||
| I look over and we're in there 10 minutes. | ||
| And I'm like, You know, then I look over and I'm like, man, this old guy's doing it. | ||
| I can do it, right? | ||
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| You know, my girl's in there. | ||
| You know, I got to be the man. | ||
| So I'm like, you know, I got to step up. | ||
| And to get through the damn things, dude, it's intense. | ||
| I do that twice a week. | ||
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And I've done it. | |
| It's phenomenal, man. | ||
| I'm going to lay on my back and just focus on breathing because I'm like, dude, I'm going to pass out. | ||
| You're already cutting weight and got a full week of training. | ||
| You're probably dehydrated too when you're in there. | ||
| I always try to drink a lot of water. | ||
| I'm drinking water constantly. | ||
| I try to get over a gallon a day. | ||
| I got an alkaline machine. | ||
| Alkaline machine? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| It keeps your body in higher alkaline, which your body naturally is like a 5 or whatever. | ||
| They say to be over a five or better because your cancer cannot survive in a higher alkaline, like homostasis type stuff. | ||
| Like if your body is like broken down, that's how you're able to get sick is if your immune system is broken down. | ||
| Well, this actually helps with faster rehydration recovery and keeps your body in a higher alkaline state. | ||
| See, I've heard that's bullshit. | ||
| Think so? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Jamie, look that up. | ||
| Because I've heard that you really can't change the alkaline state of your body or of your blood. | ||
| There's things that you can do. | ||
| Wheatgrass keeps you in higher alkaline. | ||
| But is it your blood that's more alkaline? | ||
| What is getting more alkaline? | ||
| Your blood. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if that's true. | ||
| But what about the honest supplements that say that they're from higher altitude and that they're getting it from these grass? | ||
| No, that's cordyceps mushrooms. | ||
| That's the difference. | ||
| Cordyceps mushroom is a mushroom that aids in oxygen utilization. | ||
| That doesn't have anything to do with... | ||
| See, what people do, there's a lot of talk about alkaline, like making your blood alkaline and how it changes it. | ||
| But I remember reading something that that's horseshit. | ||
| First of all, what you're doing is all healthy. | ||
| If you're telling me you're taking wheatgrass juice, you're getting phytonutrients, you're getting all sorts of minerals, you're getting healthy vitamins for sure. | ||
| It's definitely really good for you. | ||
| Wheatgrass juice is phenomenal. | ||
| I try to keep my body in that state and I'm always drinking that water. | ||
| Do you test your blood? | ||
| How do you know that you're in an alkaline state? | ||
| Are you testing yourself? | ||
| I've tested the water of taking strips and tested it out, but no, I haven't tested my blood to see if I am. | ||
| The only time I've done that was with... | ||
| When I took, like, the piss test to test my rehydration and stuff, the guy, he'll even let you, like, look it in the scope, the USADA guy, you know, he comes in, he's like, all right, pull your pants down, start peeing. | ||
| And then he'll put it in there, and the guy, he was like, the last time I did it, he's like, look at the light, see that? | ||
| And, like, I was pretty high, and he's like, this is good. | ||
| He's like, that means you're really hydrated. | ||
| He's like, that's really good. | ||
| Well, it's definitely good to be hydrated. | ||
| Drinking a lot of water, especially when you're training as much as you are, It's very, very, very important. | ||
| They say that just a small percentage of dehydration has a big impact on athletic performance. | ||
| Yeah, 30%. | ||
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Really? | |
| If you eat a little bit dehydrated, we'll decrease it by 30%. | ||
| These are little facts, too, that I've learned in the Fitness VT Lockhart. | ||
| The sumo wrestlers, they'll only eat twice a day, but they're eating only twice a day. | ||
| Their body conserves a lot more because they're like, oh, this is the only food that we're going to get. | ||
| And they hold on to it as compared to like we eat, 45ers, we eat like five, six times a day. | ||
| So our body's constantly pushing it out like, oh, we're going to get more, we're going to get more. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And with just like water, water's like gas. | ||
| The more you put in, the more you're going to burn off. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a counterintuitive thing that you hear about guys cutting weight. | ||
| They drink a ton of water before they have to dehydrate themselves. | ||
| So your body's used to expending that water. | ||
| It doesn't try to hold on to it. | ||
| Is that the idea behind it? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's like, oh, we're gonna get more and more, so it'll just keep expending it out, pushing it out, pushing it out. | ||
| Do you fuck around with distilled water? | ||
| No, I haven't in a long time. | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| I heard that's kind of dangerous. | ||
| That's not good for your body, right? | ||
| Because your body can actually... | ||
| It strips you of minerals because your water is supposed to be attached to all these minerals, and when you're just drinking only distilled water, your body kind of freaks out? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That can be dangerous. | ||
| Too much of that. | ||
| I've heard of people kind of like... | ||
| Convulsing, I think I seen somebody from the Ultimate Fighter show one time, like, water load and then fell asleep and then he was like... | ||
| You know, that probably freaked me out a little bit, but... | ||
| What's fucked up is if you drink too much water you can die. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember I was in Sacramento, I think, and there was a, maybe it was San Jose, I don't remember, but it was a local radio show had a contest to drink the most water to win a PlayStation, and this lady drank so much water she died. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was like, I didn't know you could fucking die from water. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Apparently like frats, like people like pledging for frats, people who died from it too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, with hazing type stuff. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's crazy, man. | ||
| You find anything about alkaline? | ||
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I found a website talking about it. | |
| I don't know if this is how legit. | ||
| It's at PreciseNutrition.com. | ||
| It just talks about the claims of alkaline water, and it really says there's no legit studies that even say that it'll do anything to you, or that you can even make it change to an alkaline state. | ||
| Yeah, see, that's what I've seen, that the variables, the variation is so small that you're not going to get that from water. | ||
| I've tested the water before. | ||
| I've never tested my own blood. | ||
| I've only seen that I was rehydrated at a high alkaline, but... | ||
| I mean, there might be some sort of benefits to it anyway, even if you can't change the actual state of your blood. | ||
| Maybe there's some sort of benefit for it biologically. | ||
| Maybe ask George. | ||
| Maybe he would know. | ||
| He'd probably know more than we would. | ||
| The only thing it does say that might be why it says kidney patients should avoid alkaline water, which is why athletes and exercisers are one subgroup who might benefit from drinking it. | ||
| I don't know what that statement really means. | ||
| That doesn't make sense to me. | ||
| That's the only thing it really adds in there. | ||
| Do you ever fuck around with cryotherapy? | ||
| I've done it. | ||
| I don't really find the difference. | ||
| I find more or less mild fashion having somebody dig in with an elbow or something is a lot more beneficial. | ||
| I've done cryotherapy. | ||
| What about both? | ||
| I mean, I don't think they're mutually exclusive. | ||
| Anything that you can do for rehab. | ||
| I mean, I've done the float tanks and stuff like that. | ||
| It's time where I can get my mind at ease and it's pitch black. | ||
| I don't have my kids running around asking for juice and take me here, take me there. | ||
| Any of that. | ||
| So it's good. | ||
| I mean, any type of recovery that you can do. | ||
| I mean, if you're a high-level athlete and you're out there just banging on your body... | ||
| I mean, any myofascial release, cryotherapy, float, you know, any type of meditation. | ||
| Float's phenomenal for magnesium, too. | ||
| Because that, like, Epsom salts baths, even without the floating, is great because your body absorbs magnesium. | ||
| But float tanks, it's filled with Epsom salts. | ||
| You get a lot of magnesium from that, that way. | ||
| And you're able to relax, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| And just kind of calm down. | ||
| In a crazy way, because it's like zero gravity, like you feel everything sort of stretching out and unwinding. | ||
| Yeah, you got one of those in your house, right? | ||
| Yeah, in my basement. | ||
| Dude, that's awesome, dude. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Just down there all day. | ||
| Taking edibles and just getting in the zone, huh? | ||
| People come over and they go, what the fuck is that? | ||
| It looks like I got a big meat locker down in my basement. | ||
| What the hell are you doing, man? | ||
| Come on in, man. | ||
| Let me show you some shit. | ||
| You got hookers in there? | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| Dead people. | ||
| But there's a bunch of different things that people have shown that have some sort of benefit. | ||
| And it's about finding, I guess, what really jives with you, right? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I mean, look at a guy like Dana White. | ||
| He's traveling all the time. | ||
| You. | ||
| How do you stay healthy all the time? | ||
| Traveling? | ||
| Gotta take vitamins with you for sure. | ||
| I take probiotics as well. | ||
| That's a big thing. | ||
| Onnit has this thing, total gut health. | ||
| That's huge. | ||
| Yeah, the chlorella or whatever? | ||
| Well, total gut health is a combination of probiotics, And a bunch of other stuff that's in there that... | ||
| Well, pull it up. | ||
| Pull up on it, Total Gut Health, so you can see what all the different ingredients are. | ||
| But I'm a big believer in probiotics. | ||
| I eat a lot of kimchi. | ||
| I eat... | ||
| Different sorts of sauerkraut, organic sauerkraut, natural sauerkraut. | ||
| I think fermented foods and kefir. | ||
| You were talking about kefir earlier. | ||
| I drink that stuff too. | ||
| So all the different stuff that's in there. | ||
| It's hard for me to read that, Jamie. | ||
| Probiotics. | ||
| Like kombucha? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I love that shit. | ||
| I drink that every day. | ||
| Dude, I need a sponsorship of kombucha, dude. | ||
| I spent a lot of money on that. | ||
| GT's Kombucha. | ||
| Holla at Jeremy Stevens. | ||
| Acidophilus is in there. | ||
| It's also the good thing about these is they're in little packets so you can take them with you. | ||
| And the actual live... | ||
| Culture that's in him lives off the substrate that's in the packets. | ||
| So it's actually a little ecosystem that you're designing. | ||
| I love on it, man. | ||
| I live by it. | ||
| I just gave my buddy some of mine and we were doing these runs the other day and he's just like, man, I've been getting these dreams now. | ||
| I can remember my dreams. | ||
| He's like, I'm sleeping better. | ||
| He's like, I feel so good. | ||
| That's choline. | ||
| I think it's choline, and I think that is also tryptophan. | ||
| Tryptophan, which produces the building blocks for serotonin. | ||
| Tryptophan, which your body converts to 5-HTP, and 5-HTP, your body converts to serotonin. | ||
| That's big for dreams. | ||
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| Well, a lot of people that are into lucid dreaming, they take that shit. | ||
| They'll take, like, tryptophan or 5-HTP or AlphaBrain, which contains choline. | ||
| They'll take these different nootropics before they go to sleep on purpose so that they could have trippy dreams. | ||
| I did that the other day, dude, and here's a weird thing. | ||
| I'm actually a big dreamer, and I get into these dreams, and I kind of figure out, like, what they're about, and I had two teeth fall out. | ||
| And one of them, you know, the thing that they say is money is coming and death. | ||
| And I just had my bonus banged in my bank account, and then my grandma right now is at the hospice. | ||
| I just found out today I actually got to fly out tonight to get there early in the morning to see her. | ||
| And I'm like, dude, the two teeth. | ||
| Money, and then now my grandma's sick. | ||
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| Dreams, dude. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| You ever done dreams? | ||
| Because I think last time I was talking about the show where I knew I was flying. | ||
| I could just... | ||
| That's a common one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's real common. | ||
| It means you're in control of your life. | ||
| There's good power, good energy that you're in a good energy of your life. | ||
| Man, that's pretty sweet. | ||
| Well, you can definitely adjust the way you approach certain situations, right? | ||
| You could look at things in a positive way, or we all know people that look at things like, oh, the world's fucking closing in on me. | ||
| And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| You live in America? | ||
| You're not in Ethiopia? | ||
| You have both your feet? | ||
| You're not paralyzed? | ||
| You don't have malaria? | ||
| What the fuck are you complaining about? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's a perspective issue with a lot of people, but the way you approach different scenarios in your life has a huge impact on how you feel. | ||
| And as an athlete, especially I would imagine as a fighter, it's very important to maintain a healthy mindset and to keep your stress levels at a very low level. | ||
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| While you're training and while you're going through camp. | ||
| We've all seen fighters that go through camps and they have fucking crazy relationship problems at the same time. | ||
| And it fucks them up, man. | ||
| Right? | ||
| You're laughing, right? | ||
| I get hungry and I'm getting angry. | ||
| You know, my girl's just like, alright, you gotta stay away from him. | ||
| You know, just give him some food. | ||
| But that's reasonable, right? | ||
| And that's just crankiness from cutting weight. | ||
| But, like, crazy people in your life. | ||
| Like, if you're dating some crazy girl, or if you're a girl and you're dating a crazy guy, and they, like, a lot of people, if they're not getting enough attention from you, they start drama. | ||
| They cause issues. | ||
| Like, if you're focusing too much on other things, they get upset at you. | ||
| You're like, okay. | ||
| Cut those people off a long time ago, Joe. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Very important, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Hey, I gotta ask you, man, what do you think about God? | ||
| What is your theory on that? | ||
| You believe in God? | ||
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Who is God? | |
| Do you know him? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| I don't know him either. | ||
| Isn't he omnipresent? | ||
| He's like everything? | ||
| I definitely am open to all sorts of possibilities post-life. | ||
| I don't think that I have any sort of lock on what happens that I haven't experienced. | ||
| So for me to say that there's no God or that there isn't some omnipresent entity or energy or something that is the guiding force of the universe... | ||
| That would be ridiculous. | ||
| What do I know? | ||
| I mean, I think human beings, we are in some sort of strange state of development, where we're aware of our own existence, we're aware of life, we're aware of certain rules that the universe seems to follow, where the universe seems to be, everything seems to be constantly in motion and changing. | ||
| You know, whether it is the orbit of planets, whether it is the biological life on planets, whether it's the life of stars. | ||
| Things have a life, and they come and they go, and then even galaxies themselves. | ||
| Every galaxy in the center of every galaxy is a supermassive black hole that's one half of 1% of the entire mass of the galaxy. | ||
| And that supermassive black hole is sucking that galaxy into its fucking center, into the event horizon. | ||
| When you see these spiral galaxies, at the center of those spiral galaxies is a black hole that's absorbing all the matter, slowly but surely, of that galaxy. | ||
| And no one knows what is going on in that black hole. | ||
| They don't understand what it is, they have theories, but One of the theories of black holes is that inside every black hole is potentially a whole nother universe. | ||
| So, there's hundreds of billions of galaxies. | ||
| Each galaxy has a supermassive black hole in the center of it, and inside each one of those galaxies may be hundreds of millions of other galaxies, hundreds of millions of other universes. | ||
| So, the idea that anybody could sit here and tell you, there's no God, man. | ||
| I know there's no God. | ||
| I think it's incredibly arrogant when people say there is no God. | ||
| What I think is that religion clearly shows the hand of man. | ||
| It clearly shows the manipulation of other human beings where they have taken Some universal rules. | ||
| Like, there's some universal golden rules. | ||
| Treat others the way you would like to be treated. | ||
| Understanding that loving each other, brothers and sisters and friends and community, has massive benefits and you feel connected to each other and it is the right way to be. | ||
| There's a benefit to that. | ||
| We all feel it. | ||
| We know it. | ||
| The love that you have for your children. | ||
| I know the love that I have for my children or the love that I have for my wife or my friends or people that are close to me. | ||
| There's a beauty in that that is magical. | ||
| And I don't know if that beauty and that magic is to... | ||
| It's to enforce a sense of community so that we can continue to breed, so that we're rewarded, these natural reward systems, so that we can continue to foster life and that we can continue to evolve and grow. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| But I know that the best things in life are... | ||
| They're connected to love and I would think that if there's any guiding force any beautiful force of the universe It is that love and even the love of the beauty of the universe itself There's a love that I get when like last night I went out on my porch and I smoked a little doob and I looked up at the stars and I was I Fell in love with the stars man. | ||
| I feel love when I look out into the universe I mean I think that's one of my favorite things to do is look at stars just look up and go fuck Dude, I'm the big same way, dude. | ||
| That's funny, I'm always looking up at the moon like, man, it's full moon tonight, look at the stars. | ||
| You hear a crazy thing floating in the sky, one quarter the size of the earth, and it's just floating up there. | ||
| Especially when you're out in the middle of nowhere, like it's out in the woods, and you look up and it's just pure dark, and you're just like, man, look at that, dude. | ||
| Man. | ||
| That's sick. | ||
| When I was a kid, I was in camp once, Boy Scout camp in New Hampshire. | ||
| You was in Boston? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nice, dude. | ||
| For a little while, to these fucking kids. | ||
| I went to Boy Scout camp with criminals, man. | ||
| These fucking kids. | ||
| I lived in Jamaica Plain, which is kind of sketchy. | ||
| It's gentrified now, but in the late 1970s, it was kind of sketchy. | ||
| Where is it at? | ||
| Jamaica Plain is a suburb of Boston. | ||
| Oh, Boston. | ||
| And it was just not a good neighborhood. | ||
| We didn't have any money. | ||
| But the kids that I went to Boy Scout camp with, they would take other kids and fucking tie them up and leave them in the woods and shit. | ||
| It was so sketchy. | ||
| They gave us rifles, too, man. | ||
| We have.22s and bows and arrows. | ||
| So we're out there, and it was not that organized. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| I remember I was out there. | ||
| We were doing something, and I heard... | ||
| And I go, what is that? | ||
| And the guy goes, ah, it was a ricochet. | ||
| I go, a ricochet? | ||
| Like, as in a bullet? | ||
| Like, yeah, someone hit a rock and it ricocheted. | ||
| I'm like, I'm out. | ||
| I'm like, fuck this. | ||
| And I just, from the rest of the time I was there for two weeks, I just went fishing. | ||
| I just abandoned everybody and went fishing. | ||
| They didn't even know I was gone. | ||
| Like, I could have drowned out there. | ||
| No one would have cared. | ||
| I remember going outside and for the first time in my life being in a place where there was no lights. | ||
| There was no city. | ||
| There was nothing. | ||
| We're just in the woods. | ||
| And you look up and just be like, fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, look at all those stars. | ||
| Like, those are out there all the time? | ||
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| How come I don't see them all the time? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, kids these days probably don't even see them at all. | ||
| The iPads, everything that's going on. | ||
| Have you been to... | ||
| I know, they don't even bother. | ||
| Have you been to the Big Island? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Dude, there's an observatory at the top of... | ||
| Is it Mauna Loa? | ||
| The Keck Observatory in the Big Island. | ||
| And the way the Big Island is set up, they have special diffused lighting so that the street lights don't provide light pollution... | ||
| So you can see everything, and you go through the clouds, and dude, it looks like that. | ||
| When you're up there, I think it's like, I want to say like 13,000 feet above sea level, but when you look up at the sky, dude, you see the Milky Way, like the full Milky Way. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Like, see if you can find it. | ||
| Just do Google images from the Keck Observatory, because maybe that's a good one. | ||
| Yeah, that's exactly what it looks like. | ||
| Yeah, damn, dude. | ||
| Dude, you sit up there and you look up and you're like, what? | ||
| If you're going to go there, you've got to go when it's no moon. | ||
| Because the last time I went, we fucked up and it was a full moon. | ||
| It was still beautiful, but it was a full moon and you just don't see as many stars. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| If you can get up there, and you don't have to go to the very top. | ||
| You go to, there's like a visitor center. | ||
| That's all you need to do. | ||
| They have some telescopes, but you don't even want to look at the telescope. | ||
| Just look up, man. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, just look up and enjoy. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, that's sick. | ||
| I really feel like there's something going on with people today and one of the things with the arrogance of human beings and The ridiculous way we behave I think part of it is connected to the fact that we don't see space anymore I think space is so humbling and it I think it's psychedelic when I I don't even have to do I don't have to smoke pot I have to do anything when I go to Hawaii and I look up I get high It puts me in perspective. | ||
| It lets me know. | ||
| You're in a magical place. | ||
| You're on this strange, circular spaceship that's hurling through infinity, and above you is an infinite number of giant explosions, huge fireballs in the sky that are just floating there. | ||
| No one knows why. | ||
| So, that's what I think about God. | ||
| I just think a lot of people, they use religion and God as a scaffolding to try to be a good person and to try to have rules and to try to have structure in their life and to try to give themselves something to look forward to, which I think is a good thing. | ||
| I think there's a lot of good things that religion provides people. | ||
| But I also think it provides people with a lot of excuses to be shitty to people, a lot of hate, you know, a lot of, I mean, especially ancient religions that suppress women or suppress gay people or suppress people's rights in any way, shape or form based on this idea that, you know, it's ancient scripture tells them they're not supposed to do certain things. | ||
| I think that's all ridiculous. | ||
| But I think that's not really God. | ||
| That's the hand of man. | ||
| So the problem with even the term God is that it's kind of been co-opted by religion, which has definitely been co-opted by man. | ||
| You can learn a lot from ancient religious texts and ancient knowledge that people knew. | ||
| They figured things out a long time ago, and they were trying to figure out a way to pass that down onto other people. | ||
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| But the problem is, in the translation, none of the ancient religions were ever written in English. | ||
| None of them. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| They were written in all sorts of different... | ||
| Like the Bible. | ||
| Here's a perfect example. | ||
| The original Bible was written in ancient Hebrew. | ||
| Well, actually... | ||
| Aramaic if you go to the Dead Sea Scrolls are in Aramaic and the Dead Sea Scrolls contain a lot of the stories that are in the ancient Bibles and it's like it's really convoluted the translation between Aramaic to Latin to Greek to back to English it's like you lose a lot and then in ancient Hebrew and in ancient Hebrew also Words double as numbers. | ||
| Letters double as numbers. | ||
| There's no numbers in ancient Hebrew. | ||
| It's like the letter A is also the number one. | ||
| So words also have numerical value. | ||
| Like the word God and the word love, they have the same numerical value. | ||
| Because the numbers in the letters, it means something. | ||
| It's not like you can say, ah, go fuck yourself. | ||
| It's not like just a phonetic language. | ||
| It's a language that also has mathematics incorporated to it. | ||
| And that meant something. | ||
| It was a part of... | ||
| So when you take these ancient Hebrew sentences... | ||
| And you translate them to English. | ||
| And you don't just translate them to English. | ||
| You translate them to Latin. | ||
| You translate them to Greek. | ||
| And then you translate them to English. | ||
| A lot's lost in the process. | ||
| But I think these people were trying to figure some things out about life. | ||
| And I think we could probably learn something from them. | ||
| But for sure, a lot of it was people manipulating the other people around them. | ||
| And saying, God says this. | ||
| You have to do that. | ||
| Or you will die in a fiery fucking pit in the middle of the earth. | ||
| Or we'll just decapitate your ass. | ||
| Yeah, there was a lot of horse shit involved in religion. | ||
| So, it's not all bad, it's not all good, but it's interesting. | ||
| Yeah, yin and yang. | ||
| There's a lot going on, Jeremy Stevens. | ||
| There is, dude. | ||
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There's so much going on. | |
| There's so much going on in this crazy life, brother. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| So, back to you and your career, because we're going to wrap this up soon. | ||
| We're going to start 420. Holla 420 for all you people out there. | ||
| If you're looking at your career right now and looking at your future, you're trying to just get a big fight right now. | ||
| So you're calling these guys. | ||
| Have they set anything up? | ||
| No, man. | ||
| Like I said, I hassle Sean Shelby, dude, and I'm like, yo, dude. | ||
| What does he say? | ||
| He just kind of looks like, man, this guy's crazy. | ||
| He's always, he's like, I'll get you something, I'll get you something. | ||
| But the division is kind of in a funk right now. | ||
| Either everybody's got fights or I've already fought people or they're coming off losses. | ||
| Normally, they try to prepare you with a win. | ||
| So I told Sean, I go, hey, man... | ||
| If I ain't gonna get a Frankie or an Aldo fight, I'm like, give me somebody outside real quick. | ||
| Let me just go get a good win. | ||
| And like you said, I'm still right there in the mix. | ||
| So then when it all pans out, I'm right there. | ||
| But you being so big though, here's my question. | ||
| Let's say there's a big title fight coming up. | ||
| Say if Aldo, who just won the interim title, is going to defend his title against someone else in the top ten, and you see that coming up, and you don't have a fight scheduled, do you start training thinking maybe someone can get injured and you might get that call? | ||
| Because MMA, particularly the UFC, is notorious for last-minute fallouts where guys get injured. | ||
| Right after my fight was right before UFC 200. So right as I got done, I was 100% healthy, had no injuries. | ||
| I was like, hey, I just want to let you know. | ||
| I know maybe some people are ahead of me, but I go, let you know I'm going to be ready and 100%. | ||
| I didn't do anything. | ||
| I went out and enjoyed myself one time, and then I was training. | ||
| I was back to doing sprints right away. | ||
| And then about two weeks before that fight or so, I ended up going to Mexico on vacation. | ||
| My cousin got married, and then I just went out and enjoyed myself. | ||
| But for like two weeks straight, I was continuing hitting sprints. | ||
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Stayed on point. | |
| Just in case. | ||
| Yeah, because things happen. | ||
| I want to be that guy to step up. | ||
| I let them know, and I let everybody else know that, hey, I'm ready. | ||
| I'm ready to take that next step, and you can rely on me. | ||
| It's tricky, though, because you're so big. | ||
| If something was scheduled for two weeks from now, and then all of a sudden you got this call, you really can't make weight in two weeks. | ||
| No, not now. | ||
| Not now. | ||
| So, you know, like I said, I was preparing for 200. It didn't happen. | ||
| So now I've taken my time off. | ||
| I've enjoyed myself. | ||
| I've traveled. | ||
| See, but you say you enjoyed yourself, but you're not fat. | ||
| This is where it's so confusing. | ||
| Like, I'm looking at you right now. | ||
| You're fucking in shape. | ||
| You're fit. | ||
| Dude, I just ran the other day, and I am in shape. | ||
| My coach, I stay on my diet. | ||
| I've been enjoying myself on the weekends, and I love lava cakes and ice cream. | ||
| Who doesn't? | ||
| I have to enjoy myself a little bit because there's got to be a yin and yang. | ||
| There's got to be a dark side and then there's got to be the good side. | ||
| As of right now, I've been back on the diet and everything's going good. | ||
| I've been doing my runs. | ||
| I just really haven't been that dialed in. | ||
| I have a set date and I'm doing things in particular. | ||
| As I was training right after my fight, I was ready and set and still striving toward that goal. | ||
| It just didn't happen that way. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| I need Sean Shelby to get me a fight. | ||
| I want those exciting fights. | ||
| I think a lot of people want to see me and Jose Aldo get after it. | ||
| They want to see me and Conor McGregor. | ||
| He's a heavy-handed guy. | ||
| He's an exciting guy. | ||
| He's an interesting dude. | ||
| And people want to see the live fights. | ||
| They don't want to see the... | ||
| I like to personally get into legit fist fights to where I like to scrap it, no matter where the fight goes. | ||
| If you're taking me down, I'm trying to elbow you in the head. | ||
| I'm trying to get back up. | ||
| I'm trying to put you to sleep. | ||
| I feel like I'm an exciting fighter. | ||
| I've been in the game a long time. | ||
| I'm ready for that next level of competition and just staying focused and dialed in. | ||
| You're definitely a fan favorite, and you're a favorite of mine, man. | ||
| I'm a big fan. | ||
| I love watching you fight. | ||
| I've got to sign those shorts for you, by the way. | ||
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Sign them! | |
| I want to see them in that new building, man. | ||
| I hope you get that. | ||
| Well, we fucked up, man. | ||
| We were in the process of buying a building and it looks like it fell through somehow or another. | ||
| This guy that owns a building is such a twat burger. | ||
| I don't know what, but we'll figure it out. | ||
| You'll get something better, trust me. | ||
| When we do get it, what we're going to do is we're going to set up a gallery. | ||
| I got Jeremy Stevens shorts and hand wraps from his last fight. | ||
| We'll put those in a frame and we'll get you to sign that and put that up there. | ||
| Hell yeah, I appreciate it, man. | ||
| I've always been a fan, dude, and I know you always represented me very well, and I watched that podcast that you were doing, dude, and I just thought that was awesome, you know, and a lot of people are like, hey man, Joe Rogan gives you a lot of love, and I kept my shorts, and I was like, man, I gotta get back on the podcast, and I was like, you know what, this guy actually offered me some money, and I was gonna sell him, and I was like, nah, man, I gotta give him to my man Joe. | ||
| Oh, thank you, brother. | ||
| I appreciate that very much, man. | ||
| I appreciate you having me on here, dude. | ||
| Alright, you can find Jeremy on Twitter, LilHeathenMMA, Instagram, Yep, we'll heathen MMA. Straight across the board, man. | ||
| All right, man. | ||
| Look forward to seeing you soon, brother. | ||
| Hey, thank you guys. | ||
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Appreciate it. | |
| All right, folks. | ||
| We'll be back tomorrow with Justin Wren. | ||
| Fight for the Forgotten. |
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