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June 22, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #814 - Ari Shaffir
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ari shaffir
35:55
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joe rogan
01:11:24
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jamie vernon
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joe rogan
We're lying.
ari shaffir
Yes!
joe rogan
You said you were in Seattle last night?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What were you doing?
ari shaffir
Show.
joe rogan
A little stand-up comedy?
unidentified
Yeah, the crocodile.
ari shaffir
Some place Kurt Cobain and Nirvana played.
unidentified
Whoa!
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was that like?
unidentified
Pictures of him.
ari shaffir
I mean, he wasn't there.
You know?
joe rogan
I know, but it's cool being in those.
I've been saying that doing a lot of these theaters is like doing a functional museum.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Yeah, some of them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
At Fillmore.
joe rogan
Fillmore, for sure.
ari shaffir
Yeah, with all those pictures in there.
joe rogan
Dude, I took a bunch of film.
We were in the dressing room.
Apparently, that's like one of the first places that the Led Zeppelin, the Led Zeppelin, you know those, that Led Zeppelin played.
ari shaffir
Really?
unidentified
In America?
joe rogan
When they first came to America.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That's cool.
joe rogan
I don't know if it was the first or one of the first.
But uh, yeah, man, I mean that is like as Museum like it's floor-to-ceiling too with the pictures all the way over Yeah, it's a big-ass place man So like I mean as far as like it's not that big it's like 450 people But I mean as far as like what it stands for.
Yeah, there's a few places like that The Chicago theater is definitely like that just walking around that place like whoa Yeah, the look of it.
Yeah There's a bunch of them that are just so old that it's kind of weird that they let people just fucking run around on stage and tell dick jokes in them.
jamie vernon
Close.
This was their first tour.
Oh, the first tour.
ari shaffir
That makes sense.
unidentified
There you go.
ari shaffir
See, everybody's like- The first place in Denver?
jamie vernon
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
ari shaffir
First, they went straight to Denver?
joe rogan
They knew.
ari shaffir
Not East Coast?
joe rogan
They knew.
That's the spot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why fuck around?
unidentified
How long till they went to New York?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
jamie vernon
Year's Eve.
joe rogan
Oh, damn.
1969. Do you know that their lawsuit is going on right now for stealing Stairway to Heaven?
ari shaffir
No way.
joe rogan
Right now.
ari shaffir
Against who?
Who'd they steal it from?
joe rogan
There was a band.
Bill Burr was the one who turned on to this shit.
Bill Burr called me up.
He goes, you're not gonna fucking believe it.
They were all fucking thieves.
unidentified
They stole.
They stole.
joe rogan
He calls me up and he sends me this YouTube video to listen to.
And I go, holy shit!
Like, dude, I couldn't be a bigger Led Zeppelin fan.
ari shaffir
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
I'd love Led Zeppelin.
I mean, they're like...
A whole lot of love is like my get-high-and-sit-back-with-headphone song, you know?
ari shaffir
Old black people like it, too.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
Because before they played hip-hop on the radio.
joe rogan
That's right.
ari shaffir
The closest they had, I guess, was Led Zeppelin.
joe rogan
That's all they had.
Bullshit white people music.
They were hiding Robert Johnson, stealing all his music.
Led Zeppelin singer claims foggy memory in Stairway to Heaven lawsuit.
ari shaffir
Well, I mean, that's fair.
It's 50 years ago.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, that's...
Boy...
I can barely remember shit 10 years ago.
How's this guy supposed to remember shit 50 years ago?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
There's no way.
joe rogan
But if I stole Stairway to Heaven, I bet I'd fucking remember that.
ari shaffir
Let me hear the both.
Can we hear both of them?
joe rogan
We can't do it.
We can't do it?
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Can we play it for us and not have it on the YouTube?
Or would it just get us pulled from the YouTube?
jamie vernon
I can keep it off YouTube.
Yeah, I can keep it off YouTube.
joe rogan
Okay.
ari shaffir
Okay.
joe rogan
So we'll listen to it, and we'll be able to talk to you.
jamie vernon
Which one do you want first, the original?
joe rogan
Don't they have a side-by-side one?
ari shaffir
I've already heard the stairway.
Play the original.
joe rogan
Everybody knows what stairway sounds like.
ari shaffir
What a good song, though.
Up and down and speed.
joe rogan
Yeah, and this band opened for them.
Yeah.
This doesn't look good.
ari shaffir
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, it doesn't look good at all.
ari shaffir
Wait, is it possible this band was like stole it from Led Zeppelin?
joe rogan
No, no, apparently it's not because they recorded it several years before they toured with Led Zeppelin.
ari shaffir
Well, that sums it up.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they recorded it like two years before Zeppelin did theirs.
ari shaffir
If this is just like four chords that they play in the middle of the song, oh wow.
What?
This is the original, not Led Zeppelin.
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Let's hear it.
It's goddamn so close.
Well, another argument that someone said, they're called Spirit.
The name of the song is Taurus.
unidentified
The best of Spirit is just a little bit better.
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's, goddamn, it's really close.
But someone said, no, I don't know shit about music, and I know you don't either, right?
This is the Led Zeppelin version.
ari shaffir
We know that.
joe rogan
Yeah, we know that.
It sounds so similar.
But someone...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't know any shit about music.
Like, you don't play musical instruments.
No, I don't either.
Jamie, you might know this.
Someone said that the music is like a very commonly used series of chords.
jamie vernon
Chord progression, yeah.
joe rogan
Is it?
jamie vernon
I don't know the exact...
ari shaffir
Yeah, there's only three chords.
As I say, there's only three chords in rock and roll.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
I don't know what that means, but there's still a lot of different songs.
jamie vernon
It's like a blues scale.
It's probably...
joe rogan
So they said that that has been used in many songs before.
jamie vernon
Is that true?
ari shaffir
Why aren't they saying that?
joe rogan
I don't know, because they're foggy.
They're old.
Once you hit, like, 60, you just pretend you're old as fuck and you don't know what's going on anymore.
ari shaffir
That's what Reagan did.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
I don't even know.
He had, like, legit Alzheimer's.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Looking back, he really didn't remember.
We should have been like, oh, you didn't get pills, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Instead of not believing it was cover-up, we should have been like, oh, he's crying for help.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
He's telling the world he can't remember things.
joe rogan
I wonder, like...
They're really close to curing that, you know.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They're injecting people's brains with stem cells and fixing all kinds of weird shit that's going wrong.
ari shaffir
How is that stem cell?
I've been thinking about it.
You asked me about it.
I've been thinking about it.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
So you heal like Wolverine.
It's very strange.
ari shaffir
So, okay.
Will it?
How far away?
joe rogan
It's not going to grow your dick, Ari.
ari shaffir
Not my dick, my hair.
What about hair?
Why not?
Why can't it stem cell that up?
joe rogan
They'll probably have something for that soon.
I don't know, man.
I'll never go back to there again.
ari shaffir
Pop your shit back up?
Stem cell cream?
joe rogan
I like having a shaved head.
It's so easy.
So I got a good head for it.
I look better with a shaved head.
It's round.
Especially with the hair that I had left.
It's just all sad hair.
Sad, sick hair.
Coughing.
Dying people.
It's like having a cancer patient living on your head.
ari shaffir
That's why Jeff Ross shaved his head too.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's over.
It's over.
ari shaffir
That's why I cut mine shorter.
joe rogan
I like it, man.
I like having it short.
Yeah, it's bullshit.
It's like it was a waste of my energy.
ari shaffir
You got a round enough head.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you have a flat back, that's the worst kind of head.
It's like a laptop head.
ari shaffir
Somebody hit you with a shovel head.
joe rogan
The back of your head just looks like a laptop.
It's just flat like a book.
There's a lot of dudes that have whack domes.
I feel for them.
But you know what, man?
This doesn't look good with hair either.
You know, weird heads.
Weird heads are weird heads.
What you need to do is get one of them, like a head, like a fake butt.
Just put it in your head.
ari shaffir
Implants.
That's a girl who's really touching.
I'm like, why is it all soft in the back?
joe rogan
That's probably totally a good idea.
ari shaffir
Probably.
Most people aren't touching your head.
joe rogan
Well, you could always say, yeah, I was in a motorcycle accident.
Oh my god, that scar.
I love scars.
You tear me up.
Meanwhile, you just had a butt put in the back of your head, like a fake plate.
ari shaffir
It feels like a rotting apple.
Just the consistency of it.
joe rogan
We're laughing at this.
Right?
But they do that to chins.
ari shaffir
Put double chins in?
joe rogan
They put a fake chin in people.
It's super common.
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
joe rogan
They put a fake chin on people.
ari shaffir
Who does that?
joe rogan
Plastic surgeons.
I think they go in through the lip area, or the teeth are, and they shove, like, an implant in your chin.
Because some people have, like, very small chins.
Like, their chin is tucked up in their neck, and they feel like it's unattractive.
ari shaffir
I know chinless people.
joe rogan
It's weird.
ari shaffir
Brian Keith Eiffage.
He's chinless.
joe rogan
Does it bother him?
ari shaffir
No, he makes jokes about it.
joe rogan
That's good.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's good.
Some people don't like joke around about it so they get a piece of plastic screwed into their chin.
ari shaffir
People take it to the next level and then go too long?
joe rogan
They do at the back of their head.
That's what I'm saying.
Dudes with a flat back of the head.
Flat back?
Round that shit out, man.
Look like a normal dude.
ari shaffir
I mean, I'm not against that.
I guess I'm not against that.
If they can make it feel like a skull back there...
Instead of just some fucking...
joe rogan
Imagine if it gets loose.
ari shaffir
Stretch Armstrong.
Oh yeah, it starts leaking out.
joe rogan
What if you're banging a girl and she grabs your head and she pops it loose and she thinks she broke your skull?
ari shaffir
That'd be a good way to go to leave.
unidentified
You broke my skull!
joe rogan
You're a fucking crazy bitch!
ari shaffir
You broke my head!
joe rogan
What happened to your head?
ari shaffir
You did something.
Which?
unidentified
They got some fucking wallboard screws.
joe rogan
Tighten that bitch down.
ari shaffir
That's wholesale like replacements.
Those seem weird.
joe rogan
Putting a fucking plastic plate on the back of your head is not...
I guarantee you there's a plastic surgeon out there right now running to a notepad and writing this shit down.
And he's going to offer it to dudes with flat heads.
Are you a flat back?
ari shaffir
You'll have to convince somebody they have a flat head.
joe rogan
Did your parents never buy you a pillow until you were old enough to complain?
Is the back of your head flat like a table?
Well, flat back no more.
Thanks to Dr. Krickenheimer.
Dr. Krickenheimer specializes in making your fucking mutant, alien, rodent-looking head attractive.
ari shaffir
Did you think you were fine?
You're not.
joe rogan
You're not fine.
You're not fine.
No.
No.
How about those weird ancient cultures that used to flatten heads on purpose?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
You ever seen those Peruvium?
I think it's Peru, I believe.
Yeah, well, they think the Egyptian thing...
ari shaffir
Was that implants on the long chin?
joe rogan
They could have fucked with the shape of their head, but they also could have been, like, inbreeding.
Because apparently, like, Tutankhamen had a series of, like, we'll go to Tutankhamen next, Jamie.
No, go to these, like, well, you see that guy, the baby up there, where they're stretching the baby's head out?
See the black and white one right next to that, Jamie?
ari shaffir
No, no.
joe rogan
The photo, the actual photo?
Go up.
unidentified
Up.
joe rogan
The photo.
unidentified
Oh, I see it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that one.
See?
That's like, that's an actual baby, where they're distorting this young baby's head while it's soft with pressure by these cords, and they tighten it down.
And this is modern times, because this is from- It's kind of a dumb head.
Yeah.
I mean, this is obviously from...
unidentified
Look how interesting that looks.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's crazy.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So they can make them look like aliens.
ari shaffir
Oh, and they take it off.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
joe rogan
It can totally, like, fuck the shape of your head up forever.
And then that's what your head's shaped like now.
Because it's all done when you're a baby and your head is really flexible.
ari shaffir
Until your brain grows into that?
joe rogan
Yes.
Dude.
You're fucked.
Or you love it.
You know, whatever.
Might be your shit.
But if you look at the images of ancient Egypt, like right there, you just clicked on that one.
They think that that was maybe part of the practice that they were doing to differentiate them from the rest of the people.
So there was that.
But Tutankhamen apparently had a series of issues.
He had some degenerative issues.
They think that he might not have been healthy.
See if they, like, whatever.
ari shaffir
See if they try to save them?
joe rogan
No, don't Google head shape.
Just go with medical issues.
Two-ton common medical issues.
ari shaffir
Dude, I met those long net ladies in Thailand.
Oh, did you really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ari shaffir
They grip bigger and bigger, and they can't take them off because they get all wobbly.
joe rogan
Yeah, see, look, he had a cane and shit.
His body was all fucked up.
Why does it say he has breasts?
Why'd they give him breasts?
Ooh, visit Paige, please.
So we're looking at King Tut had feminine hips.
Farrell suffered from several afflictions because his parents were brother and sister.
unidentified
Whoa!
ari shaffir
Inbreeding!
Look at Leslie filling his hands.
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
That's some Game of Thrones type shit, son.
ari shaffir
Probably about the humid face.
joe rogan
King Tut's list of ailments isn't the result of ancient Egyptian curse.
The researchers were able to point out a more scientific culprit incest.
Albert Zink, scientific director of the Institute of Mummies and the Icemen in Italy, used genetic fingerprinting and tests.
On mitochondrial DNA to determine that King Tut's parents were, without a shadow of a doubt, brother and sister.
Fuck.
jamie vernon
Here's his list of things.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
They just ruled out there was an Egyptian curse?
joe rogan
No curse.
Just ruled it out.
Finally.
How crazy is nature, man?
He had a prominent overbite, pronounced overbite.
Feminine hips, clubfoot.
Wow.
ari shaffir
It's the world's first...
joe rogan
Lose bones in his foot.
Jesus Christ.
ari shaffir
Loose bones in his foot?
unidentified
Lose.
ari shaffir
L-O-S-E. You're not supposed to fuck your brother or sister, huh?
joe rogan
You're not supposed to fuck your brother or sister.
ari shaffir
It worked out pretty good in Game of Thrones.
joe rogan
Well, not really.
ari shaffir
The one evil kid.
Yeah, but his body was alright.
joe rogan
The girl was fine.
They made the girl fine.
She had to get poisoned.
She was the only one that was fine.
This new one's a pussy.
ari shaffir
God, he's such a pussy.
joe rogan
Such a pussy.
Makes me angry.
ari shaffir
It's almost like they listen to the protests against them from the far, whatever, liberal.
They go, okay, fine.
This is what you want?
This is the kind of character you want?
Who can do nothing?
Fine.
Enjoy this for three seasons.
joe rogan
You know what doesn't make sense, though?
It's super hard to imagine someone abandoning their mom like that when they're that much of a pussy.
That's the most ridiculous aspect about it.
Because that's one thing that pussies want, is they want to be around their mommy.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
You need your mom for support.
So, like, all of a sudden, he's so strong.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But who's in his ear?
The only chick who's ever given out the puss to him.
joe rogan
That's right.
That Pussy so strong.
ari shaffir
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
So strong.
She's pretty, and she knows the fuck she's doing, and she's got a gay brother, so you know she's a freak.
ari shaffir
Dude, those guys in America killed, all those guys killed their girlfriend's ex-husband or husband, right?
That's like a normal thing.
What was that girl's name?
joe rogan
What's that?
ari shaffir
She went to jail.
unidentified
Which girl?
ari shaffir
She stayed like a student in high school and then made the student kill her husband.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
God damn it.
There's been a bunch of them.
Not Letourneau, right?
Letourneau was just the one that...
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
Pam Smart?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
You sure?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
I think it's Pam Smart.
I think she was the one who paid the high school kid to kill her husband.
Oh, yeah.
You can't do that.
ari shaffir
I mean, I bet there's a bunch of them.
You really can't do that.
It's really just now.
joe rogan
Well, people have definitely gotten away with it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
For every, like, dumb chick who hired two 15-year-olds, there's a smart lady who hired an actual assassin.
ari shaffir
Right.
Oh, did you ever go down the Block Dahlia YouTube tools?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did.
I have.
I watched a whole special, one of those crime TV documentaries.
ari shaffir
To watch them laugh.
I think it's so casual.
Like, you want to go for donuts?
It's a good donuts place over here.
Like, as they just finish this, you're going to kill my husband then.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And the way they say it, too, like, I just can't go through the divorce.
It's just...
It's almost, like, easier than letting him know, I don't love you anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
For some people, it is.
For some people, that actually becomes what they want to do instead.
They're like, I don't want to go through this divorce.
I don't like this guy.
I'll just fucking whack him.
ari shaffir
Shut off.
joe rogan
Yeah, they just don't want to do it anymore.
Because if you think about it, right...
You gotta get divorced, this dude.
What if he gets mad and beats you up?
What if he denies your money?
What if, you know, what if he fucking kicks you out on the street?
ari shaffir
I mean, if you don't care about him at all, then yeah, that's the easier way to go.
joe rogan
There's just some people out there that are just fucking nuts.
They're just fucking nuts.
And if you run into those people...
You got a fucking problem.
You got a fucking problem.
They're just fucking nuts.
And if you marry one of those people, and you live with one of those people for a long time, then you try to break up with them, you got a fucking problem.
So what are you gonna do?
What are you gonna do?
You're some lady from Nebraska who just wants to be on her own.
Just wants to be free.
The clutches of her father held her down when she was young, and now she's got this fucking asshole, this man, that she's like legally obligated, and he says he's gonna kill her if she leaves?
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, I don't think so, bitch.
ari shaffir
Dahlia Del Belito, she was calling the guy in afterwards when she found out he was still alive.
She was like, Mark, get in here.
Mark, come help me.
And he's like, I can't.
And you tried to have me killed.
She kept going, stop, don't believe that.
He's like, they showed me.
He goes, that's fake.
He was almost still swaying to go back to her.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
ari shaffir
He was almost like, and he's like, I can't help anyway.
They have you trying to hire someone to kill me.
It's out of my hands.
joe rogan
They have you on camera, bitch.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Brings you back in.
ari shaffir
And they're such good actresses.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ari shaffir
When they find out...
When they supposedly find out their husband got killed.
joe rogan
Well, they're insane.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people out there that are getting people whacked are completely fucking insane.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
They can shut off.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
They're just disconnected.
I wonder if you met them...
ari shaffir
Or from the truth.
joe rogan
I wonder if you met them if you would feel that.
I wonder if you'd feel that vibe if you were talking to them.
ari shaffir
I think it's just compartmentalizing.
You shut that door and then let it in as if it's new information.
joe rogan
There's also people that have killed people before, and it gets easier.
Like that story, Jamie, that you were telling me about, that they suspected some seal stabbed some guy after a fight.
They got in a fight, and then afterwards, I don't know, to pull the guy's name up, who knows if it's even true.
ari shaffir
He stabbed him?
joe rogan
Yeah, he stabbed him.
ari shaffir
Because he had the bloodlust.
joe rogan
Well, they got in a fight, apparently, and then afterwards they arrested him because the guy got stabbed somewhere and died, and they think it might be connected.
But you gotta imagine, just forget about this story, which I don't know what happened, right?
I'm trying to be fair as fuck.
But a guy who you teach how to kill people, who you hire to kill people, and order to kill people, is probably used to fucking killing people, right?
And some people aren't.
And they might say something crazy, like, I'll fucking kill you, bitch.
I'm gonna see you on the street.
I'm gonna kill you.
And they say that to a Navy SEAL. And he goes, oh, really?
ari shaffir
He's already seen a bunch of people die.
joe rogan
He's like, okay.
Well, I'm going to remember that.
And then he waits until you get outside of that building and say, hey, dude, I don't really want you to kill me, so I'm going to kill you.
And he fucking kills you.
So, like, who knows what happened?
But I would assume that if a dude gets super used to killing people and really good at it, that's not the guy to fuck with.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
jamie vernon
I'm not going to pull it up, but I just Googled it again.
His lawyer, he might not have done it.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
There you go.
ari shaffir
I heard this thing on...
joe rogan
You never know.
Sorry, but I was gonna say, people that get in bar fights, they have a lot of fucking people that hate him.
It could easily be a coincidence.
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
The reason, too, of the fight is what they were saying is that he detained him on the pier for allegedly taking pictures of underage girls.
So...
joe rogan
Oh.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Well, maybe, yeah.
Okay, well, there you go.
There might be a lot of people that wanted to kill that guy.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
If you're taking pictures of underage girls, you haven't, like, led an awesome, pristine life, and then one day you're like, you know what, man?
Oh, that's what I wanted to tell you.
unidentified
Hey!
joe rogan
Did you hear the shit they found at Michael Jackson's place?
ari shaffir
Oh, wait, hold on.
Let me think of what it could be first.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ari shaffir
I mean, definitely underage child porn.
Maybe a body.
joe rogan
No.
Well, just go ahead with your ideas.
ari shaffir
Yeah, let me think what else it could be.
Like a whole underground ranch, like another whole play area for when the apocalypse comes, that kind of thing.
Or, possibly even, some unreleased tapes of music that you never put out.
joe rogan
What if they found a cache?
Let's be honest here.
They found a cache of photos of Michael Jackson getting his dick sucked by boys.
And right next to that cache was one of the best goddamn albums that Michael's ever put out.
And what if the music company is the ones that found it?
ari shaffir
Wait, what?
joe rogan
And they get together, they have a little music meeting.
ari shaffir
What do we do here?
joe rogan
We got two options.
Either, everybody assumes that he fucks some kids, but there's no proof.
So we forgive him, and we buy his music.
unidentified
Or, we let these photos get out.
joe rogan
And we ruin the legacy of one of the greatest artists of all time.
Look, we're not gonna save these kids from sucking his dick.
They sucked his dick.
It's gone.
It's water under the bridge.
It would be a greater crime if we didn't release this music to the public.
ari shaffir
Now you're talking like a Jew!
joe rogan
We burn these dirty photos.
They're gonna cost money.
They're gonna take food out of the mouths of your children.
These photos.
ari shaffir
Well, that's not fair.
My children didn't do anything.
joe rogan
It's not fair.
Your kids didn't do anything.
ari shaffir
My children didn't come on to a superstar.
joe rogan
Sal, your kids are good kids.
They deserve the best education they can.
unidentified
Yeah, that's a good point.
joe rogan
We can't sink this ship.
unidentified
That's a good point.
joe rogan
Let's burn these fucking pictures.
They probably have a furnace going 24-7 at any major record label just in case something like that comes up and they could chuck a hard drive in there.
ari shaffir
What did they find?
joe rogan
They found photos of adult bodies with kids' faces engaged in pornographic acts.
Like, weird pornography, allegedly.
This is all allegedly.
ari shaffir
Who alleged?
joe rogan
Because I haven't seen it, and I don't know what's...
Yeah, pull up one of the articles.
Pull up this!
It's even more than what you're just saying.
Well, it's animal mutilation, too, right?
Mm-hmm.
ari shaffir
He had photos of that?
joe rogan
Yeah, he had photos of...
I might have some of that, too.
Among the items found were pictures of adult bodies with children's faces superimposed on them, sexy pictures of his nephews in their underwear, pictures of bleeding children and animals, including a photo of a child holding what looks like a goose bludgeoned to death, diaries, audiotapes, videotapes, prescription drugs to treat sex addiction.
One insider claimed that Michael Jackson had a book called Room to Play, which included a picture of JonBenet Ramsey lookalike with a noose around her neck.
What?
But what is that one insider?
Whoever that insider is, like, I never trust that when I read that somewhere.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and you can't show the pictures we're talking about because underage stuff.
But then how am I supposed to form, just, nah.
joe rogan
It's hard to form an opinion.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But that term, one insider, makes me super skeptical.
ari shaffir
Oh, right.
It could be one liar.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is, like, when you say something like that, one insider, what that tells me is you either don't have enough...
ari shaffir
Whoa, whoa, back up.
Up, yep.
No, no.
Other way.
Other way.
joe rogan
Down.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Okay.
Ron Zonin, a former Santa Barbara DA, was on the prosecution team, told Radar.
Okay, and then...
joe rogan
Well, okay, well that guy, he's saying something.
Yeah, he's saying a lot of this stuff was used to desensitize the children.
He added, we identified five different boys who all made allegations of sexual abuse.
There's not much question in my mind that Michael was guilty of child molestation.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
That's heavy.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
But we kind of knew that.
Yeah, but that's also a guy who can never prove it, so maybe he's still like...
joe rogan
See, but the weird shit is like the...
ari shaffir
Wow, he looks great in his mugshot.
joe rogan
He looks really different.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That's skeleton, Michael.
joe rogan
Well, he looks like some sort of a creation.
Like, that's barely a human anymore.
Whatever he's done to his face.
ari shaffir
He looks like CGI of like two years ago.
joe rogan
So strange.
Well, you know what it looks like?
ari shaffir
A claymation, maybe?
joe rogan
Yeah, like a claymation.
I was just gonna say that.
Yeah, like some sort of a...
ari shaffir
Pinocchio?
joe rogan
Artistic representation of the someone.
Not an actual someone.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, have you ever seen that Barbie lady?
The Russian Barbie lady?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
Dude, this girl's spent like a hundred thousand dollars on surgery to turn herself into a real-life Barbie.
So she doesn't look like a person.
She had her eyes widened and shit.
ari shaffir
That's her?
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
ari shaffir
That wasn't a real person.
joe rogan
Yep, it's a real person.
ari shaffir
No fucking way!
Go back to that!
joe rogan
It's just, we got this little issue.
ari shaffir
No, that is not a real person.
joe rogan
Yes, it is, dude.
It is.
Yeah, there's a bunch of film of her.
Actually, make sure that's true.
ari shaffir
That's a drawing.
joe rogan
I've seen at least one television show that had her on.
ari shaffir
And she can walk fine.
unidentified
They're all saying a person that shape couldn't walk.
joe rogan
Well, you can.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Most people can never be that shape.
Well, they put corsets on.
They smoosh their body down.
But look like her eyes.
ari shaffir
Her eyes with a line under it.
Wugga, wugga, wugga.
joe rogan
It's weird, man.
Like right there.
That's a perfect example.
That photo.
That does not look real.
First of all, that's a filter.
unidentified
How old is she?
joe rogan
This ruins the purpose of this by them taking these photos with filters.
Because I could look like Barbie, too, with filters.
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You should show this in a raw, gritty, close-up.
ari shaffir
I want to see a video of her talking.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Well, that's what she used to look like.
And that's what she looks like now.
Wow.
You know what?
She was hot.
ari shaffir
She was pretty.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She was pretty.
She was ethnic looking.
She looked hot.
ari shaffir
She looks redneck hot to me.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I like.
Barefoot, drunk.
ari shaffir
No way!
joe rogan
Crazy.
Yeah, look at these eyes, man.
ari shaffir
Sleep where I want them.
joe rogan
Look at her eyes.
The whole thing is so strange.
Now that doesn't look too filtered, but it's definitely filtered, right?
ari shaffir
She looks like an ec machina.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
That's going to be your fucked all of the future.
ari shaffir
That's close enough that I would go for that.
joe rogan
Oh, you would definitely go for it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
That's coming.
ari shaffir
That's coming?
joe rogan
100%.
That'll be one of the first versions of commercial artificial intelligence.
ari shaffir
Or it drives every industry.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
That was more than porn, my friend.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's some sort of a prostitutional loophole.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
ari shaffir
I mean, people are already using those fleshlights.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
Wouldn't a real feeling human-y...
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That'd be way better.
joe rogan
Oh, fuck yeah.
Dude, they're probably going to figure out a way to make it have actual skin.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, they can make skin in a lab.
They figured out how to make skin.
So if they make skin...
ari shaffir
Are they really?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So they can make actual skin on a fuck doll?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
They can reproduce like little things like they've reproduced a person's bladder.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Or a woman got bladder cancer and they recreated her bladder with stem cells.
ari shaffir
From stem cells?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
And put it back in her body.
ari shaffir
What do you mean they can't use it to make hair?
joe rogan
They're going to...
They're going to figure it out eventually.
But the organ thing, they're going to figure that out too.
They're going to be able to replace hearts and livers and all kinds of different things and make them all in a lab and then put them in your body.
It's going to be real weird.
But they're definitely going to be able to make a skin.
ari shaffir
Could you feel the heart beating while you're fucking a woman?
joe rogan
Maybe she doesn't have a heartbeat, bro.
ari shaffir
I mean, can they make that?
joe rogan
One that doesn't have a heartbeat?
ari shaffir
No, one that does.
joe rogan
One that does.
Oh, for sure.
Definitely.
ari shaffir
You have to beat a human before they're like, oh no, you can't.
You have to ask permission from that.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
I think it's gonna slip under the radar.
ari shaffir
How much brains and heart would they have to get?
joe rogan
Who could give permission for this shit?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It gets into almost like this God realm.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
What point do you get?
I'm alive.
joe rogan
Well, if you keep going, right?
If you take...
Whatever sort of robots they have now.
They have some kind of goofy looking robots, you know, that can mostly just torsos, they talk, and some of the bodies move pretty decent.
If you just go a hundred years from now, do you have any idea how crazy whatever the fuck they have now is going to be in a hundred years?
It's going to be impossible for us to imagine because there's inventions that you need to have for the big inventions.
unidentified
The tools to make that haven't been invented.
joe rogan
There's gonna be some leaps in the understanding of the very nature of the universe itself and they're gonna be able to change all sorts of stuff that they do and Life itself is also gonna be on that list.
They're gonna make it man They're gonna they're gonna make it and even if they make it like a fuck doll that has like a limited brain That it's only good for like fuck activities.
You can't have it as a friend.
Yeah You just come home, and this thing has some sort of an artificial brain that wants to suck dick.
And that's all it is.
And she only wants to suck yours.
She's not a skank.
She's not running out fucking everybody else.
She just wants to wait for you to fuck the shit out of her.
And you're at work.
ari shaffir
Oh, like that?
unidentified
And you're looking at your watch like, I can't wait to get home and fuck the shit out of this thing.
joe rogan
Well, how come that's not okay?
It's not a real person.
How come that's not okay, but Xbox is okay?
I can't wait to go home and kill people.
We need to go home and fucking gun people down online.
unidentified
How come?
ari shaffir
I think women are gonna protest the fuck out of those fuck dolls.
joe rogan
Of course they will.
ari shaffir
They lose all power.
They are not happy with that idea.
joe rogan
Especially when they give them away with an oil change to get a free fuck doll.
ari shaffir
I wonder if they have like a shelf life in the beginning.
Like they deteriorate.
joe rogan
Like a person.
ari shaffir
Die job.
It's like three, four weeks.
jamie vernon
Wouldn't women go the other way with it too?
ari shaffir
What?
unidentified
They'd have fuck dolls.
jamie vernon
Just ramming them the whole night.
ari shaffir
Yeah, sure.
Absolutely.
Some would.
joe rogan
So some women who don't like dick, is that what you're saying?
unidentified
No, they don't like guys.
joe rogan
They're tired of a dude?
unidentified
Yeah.
jamie vernon
They should get pounded all night and not have to deal with the guys.
ari shaffir
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Oh, so they would just hire some guy or build a robot for sure.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's definitely going to happen for some women.
ari shaffir
Oh, absolutely.
They would get a pudgy belly behind it.
They like that.
joe rogan
But you know what the problem is going to be?
People don't just have a desire to fuck.
They also have a desire for a deep connection with somebody.
ari shaffir
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
You don't get that.
You don't get that when you're fucked up.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that would be a negative.
joe rogan
So it's people gonna go crazy.
They're gonna be sad and crying.
Almost like the same way people who live entirely online are completely socially fucked.
ari shaffir
They said that about chat rooms 20 years ago.
And they were right.
Look around.
They are a little socially fucked.
joe rogan
Look around.
If you really do take it into consideration.
I mean, man.
There's going to be sad people.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you would be like, I'm just...
You know people who have a porn addiction?
You ever meet those guys?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
They're like, I had to stop.
It was getting crazy.
I couldn't concentrate on anything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's what they're saying.
Michael Jackson had some sort of a sex addiction.
Jesus.
Dark.
Super dark.
Like midnight.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
It's just spooky that that guy was doing that to these kids while he was the biggest star in the world.
ari shaffir
I mean, we all know it's true.
Why do people still go and know?
joe rogan
Because they don't want to.
They don't want to believe.
ari shaffir
Come on!
jamie vernon
There's an elementary school in Hollywood.
The auditorium for the school is the Michael Jackson Auditorium.
joe rogan
Really?
jamie vernon
Feel free to change that whenever you...
unidentified
At least change to Auditorium ODD. That's Jamie's version of for sure change that.
jamie vernon
Feel free.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so true.
jamie vernon
God, how weird.
ari shaffir
That many allegations!
joe rogan
Yeah, it's always 100% guilty if they're saying that they have all this stuff.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's just, it's weird stuff, too, man.
The mutilated animals and shit, like, what's, hmm.
ari shaffir
And if people still be like, he did everything but.
He did everything but.
He just liked to cuddle with them at night, didn't do anything creepy to them.
He looked at pictures, sure, but that's not actions.
joe rogan
Well, if you take a kid's head, here's the thing.
That might be the only way he could legally possess child pornography.
That might be the only way he could have legally possessed child pornography, by taking a photo of a kid's head and putting it on an adult's body where two adults are having sex, which is apparently what he did.
He superimposed the photos or had someone do it.
That might be like a legal loophole that allows you to watch child porn.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where you could have that and people...
ari shaffir
You'd have to do a really good job of it, but yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
ari shaffir
I want a young boy.
jamie vernon
I don't know if there's any loopholes for child porn.
joe rogan
But it's not child porn, because it's adult porn.
ari shaffir
No, you just have a picture of a guy, of a little boy's face.
joe rogan
No, I think you might have a point, though.
Because I think I read something recently about...
They were taking...
Goddammit, what was the...
They were saying...
Oh, it was about...
It had to do with anime.
It had to do with animated stuff.
And they were...
It was pretty explicitly saying that even animated child pornography...
Like if you did like CGI child porn...
ari shaffir
So that's wrong too?
joe rogan
Yes.
Yes.
ari shaffir
Wow, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hmm, right?
What if they're like little anime baby pandas?
ari shaffir
It seems like a release in Urge.
Gotta let him jerk off.
joe rogan
It's hard because you know what?
I'm with you.
ari shaffir
And no one gets hurt in the making of it.
joe rogan
And I feel like a hypocrite because I've always resisted the pornography equals rape of women idea.
Because I just don't think it.
But then again, it doesn't do that to me.
Just because it doesn't do that to me doesn't mean it can't foster that in somebody.
But it's one of those things where like, okay, look, if you eat a whole bottle of aspirin, you could fucking die.
Should we only sell aspirin one at a time to prevent death?
Should you have to go to the store and buy one aspirin or should I fucking trust you with a hundred aspirin in your house?
ari shaffir
I say trust me.
joe rogan
Trust you, right?
So that's got to be the same way with porn because for a lot of us, you watch porn, you're just watching two people have sex, you get excited, you jerk off, you feel better, you move on with your life.
You're taking care of a biological need.
It doesn't foster some fucking need to rape in a normal person.
ari shaffir
I get more aggressive when I haven't had sex in two weeks.
joe rogan
I like how you bend down when you say that.
You're like, oh, more aggressive.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I mean, that's what gets me worked up.
Not getting laid.
jamie vernon
Not watching porn.
This also could not be true.
There's been an update as of today, since we've been doing podcasts, that say Michael Jackson's estate reached out to Vanity Fair and said everything in these reports, including what the County of Santa Barbara calls content that appears to be obtained off the internet or through unknown sources, is false.
ari shaffir
Oh.
Of course they would do that.
And maybe that guy would just tell it to get him.
jamie vernon
It's one website that started reporting all this.
joe rogan
That could all be bullshit.
Totally could be bullshit.
ari shaffir
You know what?
I'm going to throw out the evidence of that guy, the former DA, because he's definitely got an axe to grind.
He's not impartial.
joe rogan
He could be upset that he didn't nab that guy.
Who the fuck knows, man?
ari shaffir
It doesn't mean everything's thrown out.
joe rogan
Here's the thing, right?
If you know, if you knew that guy was guilty, And you couldn't do anything about it.
You couldn't get him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you were a former DA. You would fucking go to great lengths.
unidentified
I'll go to the press.
ari shaffir
Fuck him.
Fuck his legacy.
I know we did that shit.
joe rogan
You remember during the Mark Furman days, where they accused Mark Furman of planting evidence?
I think they're pretty sure he did, right?
Aren't they pretty sure he planted evidence?
Like, he planted blood or something?
jamie vernon
In that documentary, I haven't watched it all yet, but they were saying something about it.
He showed up with, like, a baseball bat and some crazy shit, and they had to, like, talk him away from having a baseball bat.
joe rogan
OJ did?
jamie vernon
No, no, Mark Furman did, I think.
joe rogan
He showed up somewhere with a baseball bat?
jamie vernon
That night when the three detectives, and he was one of the three that showed up to OJ's house.
He had a bat with him, like, he was gonna...
Feed up OJ or some shit.
Are you sure?
joe rogan
Are you sure you don't have that story screwed up?
I thought it was OJ had a bat.
jamie vernon
I'll look it up again.
I thought OJ was looking at him and wouldn't come out of the house because he saw that or something.
joe rogan
Oh, so Mark Furman was out of his house with a baseball bat.
jamie vernon
I'll check.
ari shaffir
Get the fuck out of here.
joe rogan
So he's a loose cannon ready to beat OJ up.
Why would a cop have a baseball bat?
Don't you have a gun?
ari shaffir
Guns are better to use, but...
joe rogan
You just want to beat the guy, maybe?
ari shaffir
Intimidation factor?
Maybe he's not going to use it?
Just like...
joe rogan
Maybe he's into that Walkin' Tall movie.
jamie vernon
Oh, no, you're right.
ari shaffir
What?
jamie vernon
I guess O.J. did have it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Mark Furman had to pull out a baton on O.J. Simpson to get him to drop a baseball bat.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
He battered Nicole when he called police.
So that was before that happened.
joe rogan
How dare you mix these things up?
ari shaffir
Joe Rogan's shooting holes.
jamie vernon
Damn.
joe rogan
How dare you?
ari shaffir
That's the name of your new hunting podcast.
joe rogan
Ooh, shooting holes.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeehaw!
Holes and deer.
joe rogan
But the point was, they think that Mark Furman planted evidence, though.
So, like, if he did...
ari shaffir
Though that's what they said.
joe rogan
Well, someone said he did.
Right?
I don't know if they proved it.
ari shaffir
That's what the prosecution kept telling the press, for sure.
Or not the prosecution, the defense.
joe rogan
Yeah?
ari shaffir
I mean, you know, they just...
Did you see that 30 for 30?
joe rogan
No, I did not.
I heard it's awesome, though.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I haven't watched it yet.
joe rogan
Oh, you either.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
We should both pretend we watched it and talk shit.
unidentified
And have everybody online get angry.
jamie vernon
Supposedly the best documentary ever made.
That's what I've been hearing a lot.
That's strong words.
ari shaffir
Let's let it be out for a month before you decide it's the best thing ever.
jamie vernon
They showed it at Sundance, and everyone watched the whole thing there in its entirety.
joe rogan
I've got two words for you.
Grizzly man.
ari shaffir
That was a good movie.
joe rogan
Everybody stop.
But if the guy planted evidence, my point was if he knew that OJ did it, right?
If OJ had beat up his girlfriend before or his wife before and he had a baseball bat and they had to talk him down and, you know, but he was this football star and everybody kept it under wraps, if he fucking knew that the guy did it, like the guy was like close to doing it a couple of times and never did it like this with the baseball bat, I wonder what that fucking thought process is where I'm just gonna take one of these gloves, dip it in a little bit of blood, and chuck it in his fucking bushes.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck him.
Fuck him.
I know he did it.
Hey guys, I found something over here.
Holy shit, we got it.
It's the glove.
It's got her blood on it.
Quickly, in the bag.
Zip it tight.
Take it over to the lab.
Tested positive for Nicole's blood.
We got him!
We got him!
ari shaffir
The glove didn't fit.
joe rogan
You must have quit.
ari shaffir
How did it not fit?
joe rogan
Because he has big-ass hands, and he just went like that.
ari shaffir
Was it really not his glove?
joe rogan
Spread his hands.
ari shaffir
Oh, he just tried not to get it on.
joe rogan
Dude, if you watch it, it's ridiculous.
If you want to put a pair of gloves on, you go like this.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you open your fingers, you're doing them to articulate your fingers into the holes.
unidentified
I can't get it on.
joe rogan
You don't do that.
unidentified
I can't get it on.
joe rogan
You don't fucking palm a basketball.
You know what I mean?
That's what he was doing.
jamie vernon
I have another glove on, too.
A plastic glove underneath.
unidentified
Did he?
jamie vernon
I think so.
joe rogan
Oh, that's even more horrific.
I don't know.
Let's show a video of it.
ari shaffir
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
This is one of the most preposterous moments in history.
ari shaffir
They interrupted my some sort of sociology class in college and let one of this lady listen on the radio.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, you're right, Jamie.
ari shaffir
Tell us when the verdict comes in.
joe rogan
You're right.
By the way, it fits great.
See, they're saying, doesn't it fit?
unidentified
Look at it.
joe rogan
He's got rubber gloves on underneath and he's pretending he can't get it any further.
ari shaffir
What do you mean it doesn't fit?
joe rogan
It fits great.
For those rubber gloves?
Look at that.
unidentified
It's rubber gloves.
joe rogan
Fits great.
ari shaffir
No, it's a little off.
It's a little off him.
I can see what he's saying.
He can't get over the knuckle.
unidentified
People's 164A. Is that the right hand glove?
ari shaffir
He's like, I can't.
I can't do it.
It looks like he's pretending like he's trying to get them on.
joe rogan
It doesn't look as preposterous as I remember.
But I remember it.
Meemaw Fanny Bravo is here.
He'd have me convinced.
I'm telling you, bro!
It's his son!
Okay, let me see these gloves, OJ. Pull them up.
He's pulling on.
He's actually legitimately pulling on.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he's trying.
He's trying.
joe rogan
But he does have rubber gloves on underneath.
But that's not that much.
No, it's a big difference if you have a pair of Italian racing gloves.
ari shaffir
Those are thin little.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's the point.
Those Italian racing gloves, they fit right over your skin.
They're for racing.
That's what those are.
ari shaffir
And murdering.
unidentified
And murdering.
ari shaffir
Do you think the people who own the glove company were like, can we use this?
Is this good for us?
Can we market this at all?
joe rogan
Let's just leak it.
unidentified
Leak it to the press.
joe rogan
I don't want to promote it.
ari shaffir
That would be a great billboard at the time to have Mondavi gloves.
You know you've seen them.
joe rogan
Well, that's what Joey Diaz said they were doing in New York after Len Bias died.
ari shaffir
They were selling his coke.
joe rogan
This is the shit that killed Len Bias, dog.
Get over here and get some of this.
ari shaffir
That's what Joey said about the shit that killed Freddy Soto.
He's like, I want that good shit.
Give me this shit you sold Freddy Soto.
God's hunger, don't hold back at me.
joe rogan
That's Joey's go-to move when someone dies.
unidentified
Use them to get better drugs.
ari shaffir
To use their memory.
joe rogan
To joke about it, saying that he wants that.
ari shaffir
It's the only good stuff.
joe rogan
If there was a drug that you could buy that killed a guy, like say if there was a guy like Len Bias today and cocaine was legal, and this guy was buying Pepsi cocaine.
Sorry, Pepsi.
I didn't mean nothing about that.
Don't do it.
And if they died, do you think the sales would go up?
For sure, right?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
100%.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
For sure.
ari shaffir
If you've killed someone famous like that?
joe rogan
If you've got Mike's Coke, dude, it's Mike's Coke.
Is this the Mike's Coke that killed a basketball player?
Dude, it's the shit.
ari shaffir
Dude, if I saw some weed that gave someone a panic attack, I would be like, no, no, no, let me try.
joe rogan
People use it as a bragging right.
ari shaffir
What's his name?
joe rogan
Don't say his name?
unidentified
DiPaolo.
joe rogan
Oh, did he?
unidentified
Nick did?
joe rogan
Of course he did.
ari shaffir
And he was like, alright, it was too much for me.
I was like, save me that weed.
You need to save that for me.
I'll be home soon.
It was over the winter.
I was like, I will be home.
I need to try that.
joe rogan
What is he doing?
Edibles before he goes to bed?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
A lot of people like that.
It's a relaxing thing before they go to bed.
It's real popular with the kids these days.
ari shaffir
Yeah, sleep the whole night.
joe rogan
Yeah, but you can fucking, you can go on a bad ride.
You can definitely go on a bad ride.
You gotta be careful.
ari shaffir
Did you wake up and forget?
Barris went to the hospital.
joe rogan
I had crazy dreams about being on slippery rooftops.
unidentified
Woo!
ari shaffir
Really?
On edibles?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Edible dreams.
joe rogan
Interesting.
Edible dreams are slippery.
ari shaffir
Being on scary rooftops?
joe rogan
Yeah, slippery rooftops.
ari shaffir
So you're just always falling off?
joe rogan
Near the edge, near the edge.
Woo!
Scary.
Why am I up here?
ari shaffir
Why am I up here?
You're never in your dream like, what am I even doing here?
I don't come to places like this.
joe rogan
How did I get up here?
Yeah, what am I doing on a roof?
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That was every scene in Memento, not Memento, Inception.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
It was like, wait a minute, wait a minute.
When did I get here?
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
That movie was very weird.
ari shaffir
It was so good, though.
Have you watched it twice?
joe rogan
No, I need to watch it a second time.
ari shaffir
Yeah, me too, me too.
joe rogan
Yeah, I enjoyed it, but I didn't enjoy it as much as a lot of people enjoyed it.
ari shaffir
I thought it was just...
Here's the deal.
It had me talking for two weeks after.
joe rogan
You know what the problem is?
ari shaffir
Which is a sign of a good movie.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it's definitely a provocative movie and fucking amazingly well done.
But the problem is not even with the movie itself, but with the idea of it.
When your reality that you're creating in whatever this dream state that they're putting these people into, right?
If the reality they're creating is that convincing, like, how is it any different?
Like, you're like, don't enjoy this.
This isn't even real.
Well, it's exactly the same thing as real.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I get enjoyment out of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not like, like, if you bought a fake Ferrari.
ari shaffir
Well, that was his wife.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
His wife's like, no, no, I'm staying here.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
This is great.
joe rogan
Yeah, why not?
Why wouldn't you stay?
Where the fuck are you going to go?
Are you going to go to the real world?
unidentified
I want to go to the world where I can touch it and know I can put it on a scale.
ari shaffir
Oh wait, his wife wasn't real.
joe rogan
One of them wasn't real.
They're all fucking just as real.
unidentified
His wife died.
That's it.
ari shaffir
He remade his wife and she turned evil.
joe rogan
Perfect.
Perfect.
Like, what are you complaining about?
What, you need to be in the real world, you pussy?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's the same exact world.
It feels exactly the same.
You're going through it the same way.
unidentified
Yeah, if you could drive a brand new Ferrari, get the smell.
ari shaffir
Dude, have you ever tried to quit something, like carbs or cigarettes or anything like that?
joe rogan
Yes.
ari shaffir
Or even coffee, and you dream about the thing you've quit?
joe rogan
Probably.
ari shaffir
I've had dreams about cigarettes, and I wake up with a negative feeling like, fuck!
I goddamn smoked again!
It takes me like 20 or 30 minutes to get the feeling out of me.
Like, no, it's just a dream, but the feeling remains.
joe rogan
You're a weird one when it comes to this cigarette thing, but you're a weird one in that, you know, when you describe it, you have a very honest way of describing the addiction to cigarettes.
You're a smart dude, so you know exactly what's going on.
ari shaffir
What do you mean?
joe rogan
But you know what's going on, like the weirdness of this, the addiction to cigarettes.
It's weird.
So when you quit, when you quit and you would talk about this desire, even though you intellectualize the fact that it's stupid.
unidentified
Chemical addiction.
joe rogan
But your way of describing it is very honest in the way that it's like, oh, okay.
It's like a demon.
You can't get around it.
Or it'll fuck you.
Like, come on.
Come back to me.
Climbs into your breath.
I'm in you again.
unidentified
Moving around your lungs.
Feels so good.
ari shaffir
I was in Thailand.
Four years removed from a cigarette.
I've had a cigar or two, but those are quick.
You don't really inhale them.
And we were in a zoo late at night.
PDC had a cigarette.
I was like, you know, this feels fucking right.
Warm out, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I was like, let me have one.
I smoked like two, three quarters of it.
And I was like, okay, cool, I'm done.
And then the next day I was like, I want a cigarette.
It was right back in, just like you were saying.
Just like that act out.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
It gets in there again.
I had to be like, no, no, no.
joe rogan
Come on, Nari.
ari shaffir
No, I made a mistake last night.
joe rogan
Smart people smoke cigarettes.
ari shaffir
No, we should not have done that again.
No.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Come on, man, I'm relaxing.
ari shaffir
Just come in for a second, but then you gotta go.
joe rogan
I'll make you calm.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
We shouldn't do that anymore.
unidentified
Come on, man, chill out.
ari shaffir
All right, today, this is the last time.
Then this is the last time.
Then no more after this, though, all right?
Say it.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
You just get back on the ride.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You want to...
Ah, fuck it.
ari shaffir
And then you're in.
Big Jay and his girlfriend started smoking again.
They're like, no, we just did it on the weekend in Philly.
I'm like, no, you're smoking again.
They're like, no, we're quitting.
I'm like, oh, no.
You're already saying what we're gonna...
No, you've already fully committed to smoking.
It's been like a year now they're still smoking.
joe rogan
You know, they say that nicotine has nootropic properties to it, just like alpha brain or neuro one or something like that.
ari shaffir
What is nootropic?
What does that mean?
joe rogan
It means it's like a mental stimulant in the sense of...
Oh, really?
...increases memory, increases cognitive function.
It's not a stimulant like...
ari shaffir
A lot of writers write on it, right?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
A lot of writers do.
And you know what I started doing?
Because of Joey Diaz, I'll get one of those blue cigarette things and I'll suck on them before a show.
ari shaffir
Nicotine?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Are you crazy?
No, it's not nicotine that you have to worry about.
Nicotine actually has health benefits.
ari shaffir
So nicotine is what's addictive.
joe rogan
It's...
I don't know, man.
It doesn't work like that with me.
ari shaffir
Do you crave the e-cigarette more?
joe rogan
No.
No, I might not have one for a month.
And then sometimes I like to suck on them before a show.
ari shaffir
You're an orangutan, though.
Your body doesn't react to people's.
Maybe, though.
joe rogan
I think it does.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I guess so.
With nicotine, I guess it would.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it would.
Yeah.
Well, I smoked a cigarette the other day with Doug Stanhope.
ari shaffir
No way.
joe rogan
Yeah, I didn't smoke a cigarette, but I took a hit of his cigarette.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I took a hit of Tony Hinchcliffe's cigarette once before I went on stage, too.
ari shaffir
Feels good.
joe rogan
Feels good.
Gives you a little buzz.
So I just want one hit of this.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
But that, um...
ari shaffir
Remember that buzz off a cigarette?
Remember that?
Like, oh man, I'm woozy for a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, because if you don't smoke and you take a hit off of a cigarette, it definitely gives you like a weird little buzz.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
ari shaffir
Well, it's a carcinogen, too.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But I think there's also some sort of stimulating factor of all those different chemicals the FDA kindly allows them to put into that shit.
ari shaffir
So what's the addictive then?
What's the thing that gets you addicted?
joe rogan
There's a lot of factors.
One of it is smoking of the cigarette, like the nicotine in that form is apparently more addictive in some strange way.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe it's because the delivery method is more powerful and potent.
Maybe it's because of all the other chemicals.
Did you see that Insider movie with Russell Crowe?
Did you ever see that?
ari shaffir
I know what you're talking about, though.
joe rogan
Good fucking movie.
If it's factual.
I'm not sure if it is, but I think it is.
Because you've got to have your ducks in a row when you make a goddamn expose movie with Russell Crowe about the cigarette industry.
ari shaffir
It's gotta sound right.
joe rogan
Most likely.
I mean, otherwise it wouldn't be available anymore.
They would remove it from iTunes and all that shit.
But it's essentially, Russell Crowe, if you haven't seen it, is a super scientist that they have engineered these cigarettes to make them more addictive.
Then he testifies about it.
And they go to his house, and they scare him, and they threaten him, and all this shit.
It's creepy.
It's fucking creepy.
So apparently, it's true though.
There are a bunch of different chemicals, like hundreds of them, that they allow these companies to put into cigarettes that alter the flavor profile and all sorts of other different things they do, but it also makes them more addictive.
And he outlines them in the movie and explains how they engineered it.
So that's why when you're taking a hit off those things, it's different than a cigar or different than a lot of other ways that you're getting tobacco.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But even, like, chewing tobacco is addictive.
People get addicted to that shit.
ari shaffir
People have holes in their mouths.
joe rogan
It can get addictive.
But it's soaking, jerking off.
Soaking a lot of things.
ari shaffir
That's different, though.
That's like mental addiction.
joe rogan
Soaking coffee.
Coffee can be addictive.
ari shaffir
Coffee, for sure.
joe rogan
Nicotine myth busted.
Nicotine does not cause addiction.
There you go.
health forum Nicotine by itself is only a mild central central system stimulant similar to caffeine has very mild addictive properties also much like caffeine Well, I know for a fact that caffeine is pretty fucking addictive.
ari shaffir
Yeah Yeah, you have withdrawal symptoms of caffeine.
If you get headaches when you quit, that's not like you quit seat cushions.
joe rogan
I was going way too hard at one point in time writing.
Where I would make a pot of fucking coffee and I would down that shit at like 9 p.m.
and write till 5, 6 o'clock in the morning just jacked out of my mind on coffee.
And when I tried to quit that, I had a problem.
I had headaches.
Like my head was like...
My body was like, you're going to have to deal with a ridiculous amount of stimulants over the course of seven hours.
Gear up.
And then once I shut the fucking fun farm down, they were like, hey, where's all I fucking...
ari shaffir
We got used to that.
joe rogan
Come on, bro.
ari shaffir
Headaches.
How long did the headaches last for?
joe rogan
A couple days.
ari shaffir
So you started drinking coffee again?
joe rogan
No.
I never drank it like that again.
I'll never drink more than a couple of cups a day.
But I thought it was bad for you at one point in time, which has also been debunked.
ari shaffir
Caffeine?
joe rogan
Yeah, no, coffee itself.
Coffee itself is not bad for you.
And caffeine in the form of coffee is not necessarily bad for you either, but it's like one of those things where you can fuck it up if you just go too hard.
So, like, what I was doing when I was writing, when I was drinking, like, literally pots of that shit.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Probably, like, overrunning my adrenals.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I remember you and Tate used to get that late-night Starbucks in Sacramento.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, and sleep like babies.
unidentified
Like, wait, what?
What?
ari shaffir
It's going to bedtime.
Why would you drink that now?
It doesn't make sense.
joe rogan
Tate loves coffee.
ari shaffir
I'm so glad I never got into that shit.
joe rogan
It's delicious.
unidentified
It makes me feel good.
ari shaffir
I hate that taste.
I don't know when people stop being kids.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know.
Well, there's also a lot of other ways that you can get caffeine.
You can get caffeine.
ari shaffir
Freebase?
joe rogan
No, you can get it in other ways.
ari shaffir
Yeah, Coca-Cola.
joe rogan
Like teas?
Yerba mate?
You ever have Yerba mate?
ari shaffir
I think so.
joe rogan
It's good stuff.
ari shaffir
I believe I have.
joe rogan
It's like a stimulant sort of a tea.
ari shaffir
Yeah, like ginger.
joe rogan
There's a lot of those things, man.
There's a lot of groovy-ass stimulants that you could purchase.
ari shaffir
You know what else is stimulant?
Ari Shaffir at the Comedy Store tomorrow night.
unidentified
Oh, you son of a bitch!
ari shaffir
Thursday night.
joe rogan
How dare you!
How dare you work it in like that!
ari shaffir
Guys, I'm doing my hour.
Only time in L.A. I'm doing it.
So come tomorrow night.
Get tickets at AriShaffir.com.
It's only ten bucks.
I have like 80 more seats I don't want to fill up.
unidentified
Jesus.
ari shaffir
So hurry up and get them.
joe rogan
Jesus.
ari shaffir
We'll just put the wings out if not.
But it should be fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I knew I was going really well.
joe rogan
It should be fun.
Well, I'll tweet it too.
ari shaffir
Okay, cool.
Thanks.
joe rogan
Glorious.
ari shaffir
You want to open?
I need an opener.
joe rogan
I can't.
ari shaffir
Okay.
joe rogan
So what the fuck's going on, man?
What's the latest?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
I went to Bonnaroo.
It was really fun.
joe rogan
Yeah?
ari shaffir
It was really fun.
joe rogan
Where is Bonnaroo?
Is it like Tennessee or something?
Yeah?
ari shaffir
Manchester, Tennessee.
joe rogan
Is it near Nashville?
ari shaffir
Yeah, like an hour away.
joe rogan
How big is Tennessee?
Like if you drive through the whole thing?
ari shaffir
It was a full day.
We stopped in Nashville and then we stopped in Memphis the next night.
We drove like 10 hours.
joe rogan
Whoa, 10 hours through Nashville?
ari shaffir
I think so.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
I would drive until the sun went down and then we would just stop.
joe rogan
See, I always think of states like Massachusetts.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you drive 10 hours, you're not in Massachusetts anymore.
ari shaffir
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
In any direction.
ari shaffir
Tennessee's really long.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's a big-ass, long-ass, hot state.
ari shaffir
It's the wiener dog of states.
joe rogan
Is it?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I guess so.
Based on its length and height.
joe rogan
So, Bonnaroo had...
You did some weird shows.
Like, you did that 1, 2.30 in the morning show that we were talking about.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It was great.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I just spread it word of mouth.
A little bit on Twitter last minute.
I was like, I'm finding out when I get there, I'm finding out where it's going to be and when.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
I took a Sharpie.
I wrote it on people's hands.
I run into them.
Like, what are you doing?
I'm doing a show.
unidentified
Where?
ari shaffir
At Christmas Barn.
I was like, say it back to me.
Christmas Barn.
I'm like, all right, what time?
And then I started writing on people's arms.
Xmas Barn, 2.30 Friday.
joe rogan
Well, for people who don't understand why he did that, everybody was fucked up on drugs.
You kind of had to do that.
ari shaffir
Everybody's fucked up at that point.
Or just super tired.
Even drunk.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
But usually drugs.
joe rogan
That's true.
It's a drug.
ari shaffir
It's a drug festival.
joe rogan
But drunk is a drug.
We fucked up in classification of drugs in this country.
ari shaffir
Drunk seems as inebriating as any of the other stuff.
joe rogan
It's a drug.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But somehow or another, we've found ourselves in this position where most people are in denial that they do drugs while they drink.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And then you're going to put mushroom and heroin in the same category?
Drugs?
joe rogan
A way worse category!
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Way worse category.
unidentified
Come on.
joe rogan
It's hilarious.
ari shaffir
Come on.
joe rogan
But we've been hoodwinked by booze.
God damn it.
Not that I don't like booze.
I enjoy it.
ari shaffir
It's so much more socially acceptable.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
ari shaffir
Way more drunk driving.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Way more everything.
ari shaffir
Did you hear what's his name said in Canada?
Trudeau?
Yeah.
joe rogan
What'd he say?
ari shaffir
He's the first guy to take this stance on this.
Where instead of saying, the other side always takes, we've got to protect children.
Children are going to get it.
And the only defense against that is, well, it's got benefits to sick people and stuff like that.
It's not really a defense of their argument.
Trudeau is like, Canada has, I think, top five instances of underage people getting marijuana.
It's really bad there.
He's like, we're already not protecting them.
Let's regulate it so that we can protect kids.
Because he goes, look, I think it should be legal, but I also see there's problems with people getting it when they're developing, when their mind is developing.
joe rogan
I agree.
ari shaffir
So let's do what we can to keep it out of their hands, which is legalization, regularization.
joe rogan
Regulation.
ari shaffir
Regulation.
Like alcohol.
If alcohol was fully illegal and you just get it from mafia guys...
14-year-olds will have the same access as 34-year-olds.
joe rogan
That's a very good point.
That's probably the best point for it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Now they've got to find some cool 22-year-old.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That's the only way they can get it.
joe rogan
That 22-year-old's taking a big chance these days.
ari shaffir
Taking a chance.
joe rogan
I think that shit's a giant felony.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
When we were kids, it wasn't nothing.
ari shaffir
Or fake ID or stealing from your dad.
joe rogan
People always sold booze.
You would wait outside a liquor store and a guy would buy booze for you.
You tell him you give him 20 bucks?
They didn't give a fuck.
ari shaffir
20 bucks surcharge, then the price of the whatever?
joe rogan
Yeah, just tell the guy.
We'll give you 20 bucks if you go and get us a fucking case.
jamie vernon
We may or may not have used the drive-thrus and they would just give it to us when we were 17, 18 years old.
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't give a fuck.
Especially in Ohio.
They're trying to get you drunk so you stay.
ari shaffir
Yeah, exactly.
Get somebody pregnant.
We can't lose you.
joe rogan
We need to keep you around, son.
If getting you drunk is how we do it.
Yeah, it's weird that we have this one drug we give a pass to.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's the one that's the most destructive to your health.
It's fucking bananas.
It really is.
ari shaffir
You get into fights?
joe rogan
Well, the problem is, it's existed for so long, and it hasn't changed yet, in spite of all we know.
So, like, more recently, this Nixon thing came out.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Where they admitted...
That the whole reason why they instituted this war on drugs is to try to break up the civil rights movement and to try to break up the anti-war movement.
ari shaffir
How?
joe rogan
Because they knew that the people involved in the civil rights movement and the anti-war...
Were doing drugs.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Damn you're fast, Jamie.
joe rogan
He's the best.
The civil rights movement and the anti-war movement were doing marijuana.
So they...
Decided that was the way.
Yeah, that was the way to go after them.
To break up those organizations by arresting their members for drug-related crimes, locking them up in jail.
Really interesting stuff.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But it's a fact.
So it's one of those things where, you know, you hear like an Alex Jones type guy talk about it, you know?
ari shaffir
Yeah, you kind of don't believe it.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And you see that sexual proof.
joe rogan
Right.
Then you see something like this and you go, that is exactly how they operate it.
ari shaffir
But it's still stuck in your head of like, yeah, but they're different.
joe rogan
Well, you know, there was a WikiLeaks thing that Facebook is apparently censoring.
See that?
That was another one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about, where they're saying that there was all this Hillary Clinton emails that Facebook is censoring that they don't want to get out, that WikiLeaks is trying to print.
ari shaffir
And then Facebook says we won't let you retweet that?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I'm not sure how they stop something like that.
ari shaffir
I heard about this leak about some Hillary Clinton stuff.
One of the hackers said he gave it to Assange.
joe rogan
Right, but the problem is you have to trust the hacker?
ari shaffir
No, no.
You don't trust the hacker.
It has Julian Assange.
That's who you trust because he's never let us down.
He's only put out stuff that's real.
joe rogan
He sounds like a good team.
ari shaffir
I'm just saying, his word is, I will put out real shit only.
joe rogan
Keep that up, so I can take a look at it.
ari shaffir
You know?
joe rogan
Dear Facebook, stop censoring our Hillary Clinton email release.
No, really, stop it.
There is no technical issue.
Huh.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
Hmm.
joe rogan
And WikiLeaks is putting that up on Twitter with a photograph of it.
This is interesting.
So...
See, the problem is when you're getting something from a guy who hacked into her email server, how is it not possible that he could trick them?
He's so fucking smart that he can get into her email server.
ari shaffir
Trick who?
joe rogan
Hillary Clinton.
Like, they got into her email to get this stuff.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
I mean, this is what they're saying.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so?
joe rogan
How do we know?
I mean, someone who could do that can make it look like he did it, too.
ari shaffir
You can make it look like, say that again?
joe rogan
Someone who can hack into a server.
I'm just assuming.
Tell me if I'm right or wrong.
jamie vernon
Yeah, maybe, but there's not the only person that have claimed to have hacked the server either.
Russian hackers, as of yesterday, I think I saw, say they're in there right now.
joe rogan
So there's a gang of different people who have hacked it.
jamie vernon
I think once you get that password...
ari shaffir
And the issue is she's like, don't worry about it.
I have this secret server on my own for no reason.
You don't have to...
joe rogan
30,322 emails pulled from a private account she was using during her tenure as the Secretary of State.
You know, I have this guy in here who was a CIA guy.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he said pretty flat out if he had done any of the things that she did, he'd be in jail.
ari shaffir
Who?
joe rogan
The CIA guy was telling me that if he did any of the things that she did with this email server, she'd be in jail.
Yeah, this guy, Mike Baker, very interesting guy.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they're talking about whether or not they're going to indict her, and it's like, no, the people doing the indicting are her buddies.
They're not going to indict her, especially not until after, if she loses, then maybe, but not beforehand.
joe rogan
Well, if this is all coming out right now, it looks like she's going to be the nominee for the Democrats, and this is the part at home where people start going.
unidentified
I fucking hate it when you talk about politics because you don't know shit.
ari shaffir
You're right.
Leave politics behind and come Thursday night to the Comedy Store at 9pm.
Okay, go ahead.
joe rogan
How do I get tickets, Ari?
ari shaffir
AriTheGreat.com or go to TheComedyStore.com.
joe rogan
Interesting.
ari shaffir
Bring a friend.
joe rogan
This is a terrible time for this stuff to come out because there's no other option.
It would have to be Bernie Sanders.
That's the only other option.
Somehow or another, she would have to be indicted.
ari shaffir
They would have had to come out a month and a half or two months ago.
joe rogan
And they don't know, like, when people look at it, they don't know whether or not Bernie can win.
Like, people are pretty sure that Hillary is going to win because you're going to get a lot of women that are going to vote on her just because she's a woman.
ari shaffir
I thought they said, like, Bernie does better against Trump than Hillary does against Trump.
By the polls.
Who are these polls?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Who's taking them?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Who are these fucking people?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know.
ari shaffir
It's all just a good sports vet.
joe rogan
Jamie had a really good point.
It's a very good point.
He said, how come you see all this hype for Bernie Sanders and you don't see any hype for Clinton, and yet Clinton still wins these elections?
ari shaffir
Well, a lot of it is because you had to have changed from an independent to a Democrat like months ago, and then when it's time to vote, you're like, well, I can't vote in the primaries because I'm an independent.
joe rogan
No, they're both Democrats.
ari shaffir
I'm saying in the primary.
I'm saying in the primary.
So then it's too late for them to vote in the primary.
joe rogan
Okay, so they didn't register in time.
That's what you're saying?
ari shaffir
No, they had to be registered as independent.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
And then they're like, oh no, you can't...
Even though they're going to vote Democrat...
joe rogan
Why do they have to be registered as independent?
ari shaffir
No, they were.
joe rogan
I'm not following you.
ari shaffir
There was all these people who registered as independent.
Some people were Democrat, Republican, Independent.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
ari shaffir
The people who registered as independent couldn't vote in the Democratic primary.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
I understand.
That's fucking stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So that's one of the reasons why you see more support than he's actually getting.
jamie vernon
My point was more like, you don't see very, or I don't, very many Hillary bumper stickers and signs and online support.
ari shaffir
Let's start seeing her more now.
joe rogan
Dude, it's like joining Costco.
You're joining a club.
She's garbage.
You have to join a Democrat club, and that's how you get to vote in the Democratic primaries.
It's fucking ridiculous.
How come you can't just vote?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
How come a registered voter can't just vote?
You have to be a registered Democrat to vote?
jamie vernon
For the primary, yes.
joe rogan
That's ridiculous!
ari shaffir
You should be able to go independent slash Democrat.
joe rogan
You should be able to do whatever the fuck you want!
jamie vernon
Most people don't vote in these primaries that have been happening, which is the issue.
joe rogan
This is madness.
jamie vernon
We're just picking our candidates.
joe rogan
But it's madness.
ari shaffir
Because none of it matters.
We're all just voting on who gets the paycheck.
joe rogan
But what a better way to control the system by making you have to be a registered member of the party in order to vote in the primaries.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's hilarious if that's true.
Boy, I don't want to keep going if it's not true.
jamie vernon
It's also in some states.
It's state to state.
It literally matters depending on where you live.
ari shaffir
But let's say you're a Tea Party guy and you're an independent of that side.
joe rogan
If you're a Tea Party guy, go drown.
ari shaffir
You couldn't vote for the Republican primary.
If you're like, I would definitely vote for Trump, you couldn't do that either.
But that's not as, I think, problematic.
joe rogan
I think the Tea Party started off with a good idea.
But somewhere along the line, the morons took over.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
First of all, calling it the Tea Party.
Hey, guys.
Okay?
How about a new name?
Why are you calling yourself the...
unidentified
Well, it's a historical precedent that they set when they threw the tea into the ocean to protest Great Britain.
You will not tax or tariff us.
joe rogan
Fuck up.
ari shaffir
Dude, Tea Party and Occupy are the same thing.
joe rogan
You guys have Sarah Palin.
It's over.
Sarah Palin's your gal, right?
ari shaffir
They let people talk for them that were like, not the people they should've talked for.
joe rogan
They let the wrong dummies in.
It becomes like a business.
Sort of like if you're like one of those bitchy housewives and everybody knows you as the bitchy housewife.
Yeah, you gotta ramp it up.
That's what you do now.
unidentified
You gotta throw drinks at bitches' faces, claw their weaves off.
ari shaffir
That must be tiring.
Just exhausting to be that lady.
joe rogan
Hey, that's probably off work.
It's probably like the sheepdog and the coyote.
Morning, Sam.
Morning, Ralph.
And they go off to the...
ari shaffir
Just having a nice conversation.
Just go, excuse me one second.
I have to throw this.
Hold on a second.
What'd you say, bitch?
unidentified
Bitch!
ari shaffir
Okay, I'm sorry.
Where were we?
joe rogan
So I think that's what happens.
I think they take on a role.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
And they just get caught up in it.
ari shaffir
Don't vote.
It's pointless.
Everyone at home.
Stay home.
joe rogan
It just seems like this way has got to fucking melt down in front of our face until we come up with a better way.
ari shaffir
Sure seems like it.
joe rogan
It's so dumb.
This is like some colonial, feather-writing, fucking parchment bullshit.
ari shaffir
The rich people get money from the corporations, and the rich people keep being the ones deciding how the elections go.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
So they're going to decide to make it a little more favored towards them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And you have to register for a party to vote in the primary.
What?
What?
ari shaffir
Why can't you do that while you're voting?
This is stupid.
joe rogan
Primaries are fucking gross.
Primaries are like a club that you have to belong to, and that's how you pick presidents.
And by the way, when you become a registered Democrat, that's like being a fucking Raiders fan.
ari shaffir
Yeah, being a team.
Why can't I just be like, oh, see what people have to offer?
joe rogan
And I'm not saying anything bad about the Raiders.
unidentified
No, no, no.
ari shaffir
That's the worst fan base in sports.
joe rogan
That's what I heard.
ari shaffir
They're stabby, they're gross.
unidentified
Stabby!
ari shaffir
They're one step below ICP fans.
joe rogan
Stabby.
They're stabby.
ari shaffir
They're so glad they're not coming to LA. So glad.
Let Vegas deal with them.
Let that city burn with them.
joe rogan
You're very aggressive.
ari shaffir
Vegas is garbage too.
joe rogan
How dare you?
How about that?
unidentified
I see another fucking woman dancing in a cage on the ceiling.
joe rogan
You don't think that's hot?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
That's so edgy.
ari shaffir
There's nothing to that city.
joe rogan
Dude, it's edgy.
ari shaffir
It's all such fake.
unidentified
She's got glitter on her ass.
It's edgy.
ari shaffir
It's all like, this is how parties seem like they'd be in movies, right?
joe rogan
Well, it's also a gang of people on Molly.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
That's mostly what you're handling.
You're handling, I mean, this is, when you're going to these fucking clubs, it's not a surprise why they all have glow sticks.
These people are tripping balls.
ari shaffir
Dude, LCD sound system was so good on Molly.
joe rogan
What's LCD Sound System?
ari shaffir
It's this band, but they use the lights so fucking good.
They sing that song Daft Punk is playing at my house.
Remember that?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
It's like a minor hit.
They have a couple of minor hits, but man, they blew Pearl Jam out of the water.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, Pearl Jam was just fine.
joe rogan
Just fine.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but these guys give you a show.
unidentified
Yeah, but you were on drugs.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but Jeremiah hasn't ever done any drugs, and he thought LCD Sound System was better, too.
joe rogan
Wow, interesting.
Well, so they had a real show.
ari shaffir
Yeah, they go for it.
They're not just playing to their fans.
joe rogan
You can't really compete with that if you're just someone who plays your hits and you like to talk about politics in between the song and fucking...
ari shaffir
Fucking Vedder gave like three speeches and he brought his daughter out and made us all sing Happy Birthday to her.
joe rogan
Ooh, not good, dude.
ari shaffir
The whole Light Show is just them up close playing Happy Birthday to I don't know your goddamn daughter!
Happy birthday!
joe rogan
Maybe you could do that.
ari shaffir
This ain't a Pearl Jam show, idiot!
This is a Bonnaroo show!
Yeah.
Fucking 10% of us know who you are!
joe rogan
That's right.
ari shaffir
Win some fans!
joe rogan
That's actually super important, right?
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
That's a good way to look at it, man.
ari shaffir
Dude, half of them coast off their fame, and the other half like, oh, people don't know me here.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
ari shaffir
Let's go for it.
Slayer last year, they fucking destroyed.
joe rogan
That's a good point, dude.
You know, that goes with comedy, too, man.
ari shaffir
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
That goes with everything.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I saw Bill Burr on that, it was like a Comedy Central year in review kind of thing.
They had those for like three or four years.
He did five minutes there and he was like, okay, you guys aren't my fans yet.
This was like six, seven years ago.
joe rogan
I remember that.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he was just like, and he just hammered him.
Oh, that was Dane.
joe rogan
No, it was a different one, but Bill was in this politically correct sort of group of people, and they weren't accepting it, and he had a hammer at home.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah, win fans in markets that don't know you.
That's what they have at these festivals.
Some people go, that guy, Chris Stapleton.
We were just sitting there on the lawn.
He came on, I was like, this guy is good as shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker.
I've listened to that CD, whatever you want to call it, album.
I guess we can call them albums again.
ari shaffir
Yeah, album.
Album's cool.
joe rogan
Album sounds better than CD. It sure does.
It's not a compact disc.
So what is it?
ari shaffir
It's an album.
unidentified
I like album.
joe rogan
Yeah, we go back to album.
So his new album, or the album that I have, I think it's only one, I think he only has one out.
It's fucking incredible.
It's really good.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Amazing stuff.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it was so mellow and nice on a lawn.
joe rogan
I told you about the time that Stone Temple Pilots played at Dana White's birthday party.
ari shaffir
Damn, yeah.
And they went for it.
joe rogan
Smashed it.
They smashed it.
ari shaffir
All the way to the grave.
joe rogan
That guy might have been a crazy junkie out of his fucking mind.
All sorts of personal problems and all that jazz.
ari shaffir
And were there 200 people there?
Less.
joe rogan
Maybe 200, but they were scattered all throughout this.
We had to get people to get closer towards the stage and kind of get excited about the fact that's fucking Stone Temple Pilots.
That guy could have been in a football stadium filled with people.
He would have done the exact same show.
That's how strong it was.
jamie vernon
You put up a video of it.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, that's right.
ari shaffir
No way.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
This is Dana White's surprise birthday party.
Oh, that's right.
ari shaffir
Where's that?
Nine?
joe rogan
No.
That was at...
I don't remember what it was.
And then Stone Temple Pilots is in the video?
ari shaffir
Oh, you don't get that now.
That's just the surprise part.
joe rogan
It was awesome.
ari shaffir
That's nice and all, but...
joe rogan
Okay, I thought maybe the video I definitely had but the sound was so loud.
It was it was useless Oh, right cuz it was my shitty iPhone video, you know, it's like six years ago to six years ago You can't replicate that kind of sound into an iPhone when you're there at the thing.
It was just noise You couldn't even understand what the fuck it was saying, but My point being that guy was awesome.
He went for it more than you could ever have hoped He just fucking cranked it out.
It was amazing.
And it made me want to go home.
Go do better.
Go write some jokes.
Next time, be better on stage.
ari shaffir
Dude, you can go both ways.
I saw Smashing Pumpkins at Rockin' the Rage one year.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Garbage.
joe rogan
Garbage?
ari shaffir
I mean, terrible.
It's just Billy Corgan, and then he gets a fucking Asian bass player and a fucking female blonde, whatever the fuck she plays.
joe rogan
Isn't he like a serious Republican now?
Yeah.
He might even be like, I'm just making things up now.
I think he's like super convertible.
ari shaffir
He's changed some of the lyrics of his songs.
God is empty just like you.
unidentified
Whoa.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that what he says?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
unidentified
Now.
ari shaffir
Really?
He plays his old songs on double time.
It's just fucking awful.
And then you see a band go for it, and you're like, oh, right, yeah.
Yeah, he tries to get rid of him.
joe rogan
Smashing Pumpkins' Billy Corgan praises Trump.
He's fucking up the political class.
Well, that's, you know, I've probably said that too.
ari shaffir
Sort of true.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, he's definitely doing that.
Slam social justice warriors.
ari shaffir
If that was a video of an actual body slam, that would be a video for sure to watch.
Philly Corn Gorgon going for it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I don't know.
Why did I feel like he's conservative?
ari shaffir
He went south.
He might be.
I think he got Christian.
joe rogan
Did he?
ari shaffir
I think so.
joe rogan
Come on.
ari shaffir
I think that's why he changed those lyrics.
I heard that before.
joe rogan
He was dating Courtney Love before she put out that banging album.
That one really good album, right?
ari shaffir
No.
No, the one really good one was Cobain.
joe rogan
And then the other one...
ari shaffir
He got a hold of her, and then Gavin Rossio got a hold of her, too.
So they did three total...
joe rogan
They all banged her?
You think?
ari shaffir
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
You think so?
Think they get that?
jamie vernon
Gavin did?
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
You sure?
joe rogan
No.
ari shaffir
Am I wrong?
jamie vernon
He was married to Gwen Stefani.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but before that...
joe rogan
Why don't you Google it?
unidentified
What do you mean?
ari shaffir
You're the one...
joe rogan
I was a fan.
jamie vernon
I've literally never heard that.
ari shaffir
Hey, Gavin Rossdale.
I might be dead wrong.
It might just be Billy Corrigan.
Gavin Rossdale.
That does sound wrong now that I think about it.
joe rogan
Well, she definitely was banging Ed Norton before he was the Hulk.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, she was banging Ed Norton, allegedly.
ari shaffir
Dude, she was such a fun wreck.
Just throwing around thrift stores in Philadelphia.
When she was at her height, she was such a wreck.
joe rogan
She was crazy.
You see that documentary that thinks that she had Kurt Cobain killed with the recreations?
We were talking about it yesterday.
It was like, I can't trust a movie with recreations.
Like, you weren't there.
You don't know what was said, and you're just reproducing it.
ari shaffir
What possibly could have happened was, he went over to her.
She said, do it, Kurt.
Do it.
Oh, you can't do it?
I'll do it for you.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
Yeah.
jamie vernon
She claimed on an interview on Howard Stern that she had an affair with him.
ari shaffir
With Gavin?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
He won.
joe rogan
He won.
Ari wins.
You're wrong twice, Jamie.
unidentified
How dare you?
ari shaffir
I don't think he helped her with that album, though.
joe rogan
How dare you?
ari shaffir
That was probably Billy Corrigan.
joe rogan
How about you Google things first before you accuse Ari of being wrong?
You son of a bitch.
ari shaffir
I saw him, that same Rock in the Range.
He was great.
joe rogan
Gavin?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
With Bush.
Went and played Hey Jude into the crowd and went around.
Dude, you just have to like what you're doing.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
And you'll win everybody over.
joe rogan
Just be into it.
ari shaffir
Just get really into the stuff you make if it's good.
joe rogan
Some rockers, after a while, they just get beaten down by the pressure and fans and negativity and all that jazz.
And then the intoxicating sound of the true lovers of your work.
They pull you in and lavish you with praise and get your face tattooed on their ass.
Next thing you know, you start producing good stuff.
It can happen to anybody.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And it wasn't like Pearl Jam was bad.
They were just good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
And I was positive.
I told Big J who'd end up not coming.
I was like, I guarantee you, a band that's like that for 25 years, they're gonna kill it.
But, uh-oh.
joe rogan
Apparently, the Stones still kill it.
ari shaffir
The Stones do?
joe rogan
Apparently, Mick Jagger is still a bad motherfucker.
And he works out every day.
He does, like, yoga and lifts weights and does all kinds of crazy shit to keep his body in shape so he can fucking bang it out for, like, an hour and a half show.
Or a two-hour show.
Mm-hmm.
ari shaffir
McCartney runs around the whole time.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
The guy from Iron Maiden runs around the whole time.
joe rogan
Wow.
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I guess McCartney's older.
joe rogan
Let me see if there's a video of Mick Jagger.
A recent video of Mick Jagger on stage.
ari shaffir
I wonder if it's just the opposite.
He looks like Princess Bunny.
joe rogan
Could be worse than OJ's glove.
ari shaffir
He's just like...
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
But I would get a figure.
How old is Mick Jagger?
65?
ari shaffir
I'd say that.
joe rogan
67. 67?
ari shaffir
Only 65 in one day for the Price is Right win.
joe rogan
I might go with 70. Oh, really?
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Above 70. 72. There's a video of them at last year in concert.
joe rogan
Yeah, now check this out.
When you watch him, I'm telling you, man, for a guy who's...
ari shaffir
Oh, wow!
joe rogan
Dude, my grandpa was...
ari shaffir
He looks like that gay phase that he went through with, what's his name, that just died?
I just guess he's always looked like that.
joe rogan
David Bowie?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Yeah, he's always looked like this.
joe rogan
He never got fat.
I mean, he stayed skinny all these years.
But that's amazing.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he's still running around.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he's got a lot of energy.
ari shaffir
He's got a camel toe.
Jesus, like, bulge.
What a fucking...
He did not give a fuck.
joe rogan
He didn't give a fuck.
Well, he's still Mick Jagger, you know?
That's the amazing thing about a rock star.
Rock stars, they're the same guy.
It's Mick Jagger at 72. Yeah.
ari shaffir
He's shuffling?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's doing everything.
He's strutting.
But here's the thing.
He's moving loose and relaxed.
He's not moving like a 70-year-old guy.
He's got a lot of energy.
Apparently, he's just a fanatic about working out.
Works out every day.
This is according to Brian Callen, though.
He might have made that up.
You never know.
ari shaffir
When people say he works out every day, that's also an exaggeration for it.
He works out like four times a week.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think working out every day is smart.
ari shaffir
Yeah, right?
Doesn't no one do that?
joe rogan
A lot of people definitely do.
I just don't think it's the move.
I think your body responds better when you give it little breaks.
ari shaffir
Yeah, right?
Rebuild one day?
So I've heard.
joe rogan
But I think what is also important is you build up a certain level, like with a Mick Jagger, and then you maintain that.
That's very critical that you maintain that level.
Because once you dip, like you just...
ari shaffir
You can't get it back.
joe rogan
It's hard.
It's super hard to get it back.
You're fucking 72, man.
Come on, son.
You know?
ari shaffir
Also, your bones start to break in the heel, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This guy on the podcast earlier, Shane Dorian, big wave surfer, great guy, really interesting dude.
Really fun.
But he was talking about hurting his back.
He's 43. He took five months off of working out because he was busy traveling and then tried to go back in with a light workout.
Just a light workout.
Five months off.
Fucked his back up.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, it happens, man.
Get old as fuck.
You got to maintain.
ari shaffir
Remember that Married Children where Peggy got a personal trainer?
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
Did she fuck him?
ari shaffir
No, she made him eat bonbons until he died.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
What does it say here?
jamie vernon
This is supposedly his workout routine he does.
joe rogan
Okay.
He trains five to six days a week.
His workouts emphasize stamina and balance.
Leading up to a tour, Mick Jagger runs eight miles a day, including sprints.
What?!
He also swims, kickboxes, and cycles.
This would explain his ability to sing and move continuously during a concert without sounding short of breath.
Wow.
He does some resistant training to maintain his balance and his posture.
He takes ballet lessons and performs yoga and Pilates.
On stage, I did not witness any hesitancy in his movements, and he still moves with a certain amount of fluidity, grace, and efficiency.
He's been known to cover 12 miles on stage while he's dancing and strutting Wow Throwing a concert No one's measuring that, they're guessing Yeah Assholes You know Somebody's like doing the replay on the map 12 miles Fuck you How about fuck you Wait a minute That's horse shit It takes three hours to run a fucking marathon Okay That's what it says on here It says at that pace he'd be able to do a marathon in just under four hours.
jamie vernon
If calculated correctly.
joe rogan
That's not true.
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's not true.
He's stopping a lot of it.
He's not moving at all.
joe rogan
That's total horseshit.
unidentified
How dare you?
ari shaffir
Four-hour concert?
Maybe four-hour concert?
They don't put on four-hour concerts, do they?
joe rogan
It's not 12 miles, though.
Get out of here.
There's no way.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, two hours, three hour concert.
joe rogan
They got greedy.
ari shaffir
They got greedy.
They went too far.
joe rogan
They said like four miles.
ari shaffir
Four or five miles.
jamie vernon
What a gangster.
We misread it.
This thing even says, I find this hard to believe, though for a two hour concert it means he's moving at least six miles an hour when he clearly doesn't run the entire show.
ari shaffir
It just proves it right there.
joe rogan
So someone, is it just a meme or something?
jamie vernon
He must have just put it up to add it.
I don't know.
It just says he's been known to run that far.
joe rogan
So we don't know about all the rest of that stuff either.
That could be horse shit too, right?
Could all be horse shit.
ari shaffir
Remember that Bigfoot documentary we saw, but then it showed like intentionally stuff that was disproven?
And you were like, fuck this then.
None of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, all of it.
Well, all those things, man.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, also Bigfoot.
joe rogan
All that shit.
Bigfoot, UFOs, all that stuff.
ari shaffir
Oh yeah, it was like a lot of different conspiracies, right?
They're not conspiracies, whatever, legends.
joe rogan
Yeah, legends.
ari shaffir
I went to Loch Ness.
joe rogan
Did you?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
They think they know what that is.
They think that's a big-ass fish, like a sturgeon.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's what they think.
ari shaffir
And the legend got exaggerated as people left?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a bunch of different explanations.
Some people think it might be some sort of a giant landlocked catfish.
Some people think it might be something else.
ari shaffir
It's a giant lake.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I mean, it's not like...
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
I mean, it's like a great lake.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It's just massive, and there's big boats on it, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Like ships.
joe rogan
You know that show River Monsters?
Have you seen that show?
Mm-mm.
It's that guy, he's this English dude, travels all over the world and catches fish.
Like crazy fucking giant piranhas and lionfish, fish with giant ass fucking crazy teeth.
Look at that thing.
ari shaffir
Yeah, if you saw that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I forget where he caught that thing.
I believe it was in the Congo.
ari shaffir
Do you remember the stuff in Maryland where somebody brought it back from China?
There was a snakefish and it could come out of ponds and go on land for a while to find another pond.
So all the waters around it were contaminated.
joe rogan
That's a gar.
Wow.
Yeah, so Jeremy Wade is his name.
Anyway, there was an animal in Lake Champlain and they would call it a champ.
It's like some sort of another kind of dinosaur thing.
But they found sturgeon in that lake.
And so they're pretty sure that that's what it is.
ari shaffir
They get really big like that?
joe rogan
Enormous.
Wow.
Sturgeon, they look like a goddamn submarine.
They're huge.
And so they had a video of a sturgeon swimming through the water that they took from a drone or a helicopter or something from above it.
And it looks like a goddamn monster.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
When you see a sturgeon from above.
ari shaffir
Massive white sturgeons.
joe rogan
Is this it?
unidentified
Massive white sturgeons Tell a little love Never reaching the end Yeah So he Who's like that?
I don't remember Lights in, lights out Moody Blues?
joe rogan
Yeah, it seems like it.
ari shaffir
Yeah, it's probably Moody Blues.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's definitely Moody Blues.
ari shaffir
Were they good in Moody Blues?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
ari shaffir
I never was into him.
joe rogan
Look at the size of this goddamn dinosaur he caught.
ari shaffir
Wait, let's see.
That looks like a dinosaur.
joe rogan
Oh, it's huge, dude.
And by the way, that's not even like the biggest one ever caught.
ari shaffir
That's the size of a man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, way bigger.
ari shaffir
How big are halibut?
joe rogan
Look at this crazy fuck.
He jumped in the water.
ari shaffir
Look at the size of it.
joe rogan
That way you get a perspective.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
How big is that?
12 feet long?
ari shaffir
It was the size of him.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So if it was dark out and you saw it in the water and you were in a boat, you would shit your pants and say there was a monster in that water.
So if that thing exists and he caught that, it's super possible there could be something that's super similar to that.
ari shaffir
It could be somebody overhearing you in a bar.
Like, dude, I'm telling you this thing was massive.
It was a monster.
And then you went to the bathroom and you just spread that.
joe rogan
It could be.
But it definitely could be, you see, something like that.
What's the most recent explanation?
Look at this.
Look at the size of the sturgeon he caught.
ari shaffir
Damn!
That's the size of a person.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's huge.
ari shaffir
How big are halibut?
Are they that size?
joe rogan
Huge.
Big ones are hundreds of pounds.
Bigger than people.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
I think a world record halibut's like 300 pounds or something crazy.
I've seen people catch 100-pound ones on TV, and they have to pull it into the boat, and it's just like, what?
What the fuck is it?
unidentified
You caught a table!
joe rogan
It's like, look at that one.
ari shaffir
That's a halibut.
joe rogan
God, that is insane.
It may be the biggest Pacific halibut ever caught.
Back up to the one that was the biggest one, that one that...
ari shaffir
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, go to the visit the page, see what the fuck it says.
Look at the size of that thing.
unidentified
God damn.
joe rogan
We're looking at this thing.
ari shaffir
That's like three people.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's in Seattle.
They caught that fucker.
ari shaffir
Eight foot two inch.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
It was estimated at what?
533 pounds for a fucking halibut.
Dude, we'd eat like kings.
ari shaffir
Those are things you have to fish for like two hours, right?
You have to keep them on the line and keep wearing them down and wearing them down.
It's one of those.
joe rogan
Yeah, they take forever.
I never caught anything that big, but I caught a Marlin once.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Not a big one either.
It was like a 70 pound one.
ari shaffir
That was a fun fishing trip when we went up there.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah, that was a great time.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
The time before, it was like five, six years before that, or ten years before or something, I don't know, whatever.
We went salmon fishing, then we went halibut fishing, but the water was too choppy because of the wind, so we couldn't sink the line all the way to the bottom.
We just gave up and went in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Halibut is the best tasting, though, in my opinion.
Yeah, when you bake halibut with some butter and a little bit of garlic.
ari shaffir
I like the river.
Like the river and lake fishes.
joe rogan
Well, they don't taste as good.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Sometimes.
I mean, I think the fish that are in the ocean are more hardy, and I think they're more durable, too.
They don't get nasty as quick, it seems like.
This doesn't make any sense, but this is what I'm saying.
The difference in the taste between catching them and cooking them on the shore, like a trout or something like that, versus a tuna.
You could cook it a couple hours later and it'll still be alright.
ari shaffir
That's what I heard about those rainbow trout and stuff like that.
They're better fresher.
Right away.
Kill it, eat it right now.
joe rogan
Rainbow trout tastes really good if you cook it right on the shore.
If you catch it and then you cook it right on the shore.
ari shaffir
Hey, get that pan started!
I'm about to kill this motherfucker!
joe rogan
Get that hot grease going.
You know how the best way to cook them too?
Bacon grease.
Yeah, a little bit of corn flour.
Just a little bit.
Just gently.
Or flour.
You know, just gently.
ari shaffir
Get some aperitif of bacon.
Put it on the pan.
joe rogan
Goddamn bacon grease.
Woo, boy!
Fry it up real quick.
Flip that bitch.
Get some lemon on that motherfucker.
Woo!
And you're doing it all like in a cast iron frying pan overlooking a river.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Feeling like some sort of a pioneer.
ari shaffir
Dude, that'd be fun as fuck.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
We gotta do another fishing trip, dude.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I'm almost done with this hour.
Then I'll be way more free.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, I'm free now.
I don't have a joke in my head.
ari shaffir
Nice.
joe rogan
I'm free.
ari shaffir
Nice.
joe rogan
It's beautiful.
But, like, we should go somewhere.
ari shaffir
Yeah, we should go somewhere.
joe rogan
Like Saskatchewan, catch Northern Pike.
You ever seen those things?
ari shaffir
No.
The really pointy ones?
joe rogan
They're like a monster.
It's like a fucking dinosaur fish.
unidentified
Yeah, those would be cool.
ari shaffir
That'd be cool.
joe rogan
They taste good, too.
ari shaffir
Yeah, dude, if we go out of the way enough, we could find nobody around us.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
ari shaffir
Killing that DEET all over us and just fucking enjoy ourselves.
joe rogan
You know what else, too?
You get one of those thermocells.
You ever seen a thermocell?
Look at that.
ari shaffir
That's a northern pike.
Oh, nicey, nice.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have big-ass teeth, man.
ari shaffir
Hey, would you ever do that catfish hunting where you just fucking shove your fist down and pull one up?
joe rogan
No, I like my fingers, dude.
Those guys fuck up sometimes and get a snapping turtle.
ari shaffir
Look at that one eating a frog!
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
These are big-ass fucking fish.
ari shaffir
It's killing a frog!
joe rogan
These are big fish.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
There's a certain type that they call a muscalunge.
It's not a regular northern pike.
It's called a muskie.
And they're much smarter and much larger.
And they eat ducks.
Why don't you check out a picture?
ari shaffir
That's about to eat that frog in the face.
joe rogan
Fuck that frog's face.
ari shaffir
Dude, good nature photography is amazing.
That is amazing.
joe rogan
They sacrificed that frog.
ari shaffir
He's got his mouth wide open.
joe rogan
Why didn't they save him from that beast?
ari shaffir
You think that frog's just frozen?
joe rogan
Go full screen on that.
Go full screen on that.
Look at that thing.
ari shaffir
Oh my gosh.
joe rogan
Look at its teeth, dude.
Now imagine if that was as big as a cow flying through the air.
ari shaffir
And his mouth opening up right above you?
joe rogan
That was going to get you.
ari shaffir
That frog is done!
joe rogan
Look how big his mouth is in comparison to his body, too.
That frog, his little reptile brain can't fuck with a mammal brain.
ari shaffir
Wait, what's the tongue thing?
joe rogan
Especially flying mammals.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Boy.
If there were flying mammals back in the day, thank God our ancestors wiped all those fuckheads off the planet.
ari shaffir
That would be an unfair advantage.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
But they let only things live that we could kill with our hands.
ari shaffir
Yeah, or that wouldn't kill us.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, an eagle might be able to kill you, but I like my chances.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It ain't bothering anybody, though.
joe rogan
But they might.
They'll fly off with a baby.
ari shaffir
Remember that fake baby video?
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
That looked so good.
joe rogan
So good.
ari shaffir
I think those guys got work off that.
They're like, yes, it's fake.
We faked it.
Now please hire us to do fun shit like this.
joe rogan
Oh, honestly, I think it was a contest.
ari shaffir
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Pretty sure.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I think.
ari shaffir
That might be right.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
It looks so good.
joe rogan
The shadowing.
ari shaffir
And it shot so well.
First, they're just filming the eagle.
Nothing's happening.
Wait, he's diving.
What's...
joe rogan
He just swoops down, grabs the kid, and flies off, and the guy chases after him.
And they even went to the ground with the camera.
ari shaffir
It shot so good.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
Joe Perry made a fake Bigfoot video.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, Joe Perry from Aerosmith.
ari shaffir
Really?
On purpose?
joe rogan
Let's see if he...
I don't know if he put it up.
See if he find Joe Perry's Bigfoot video.
ari shaffir
Have you found one?
joe rogan
Put a dude in a ghillie suit and have him wander around through the woods, and they filmed it.
ari shaffir
Was he claiming he was real?
unidentified
No.
Joe Perry's an interesting guy, man.
This tape that we took got lost for about a week with all the hubbub of traveling and stuff.
And then we found it, and this is what we saw.
And this is what happened.
joe rogan
He's so Boston.
unidentified
Check it out.
Just think of it what you think, you know.
I'm still blown away by it.
But it was a pretty scary afternoon, I've got to say.
joe rogan
Alright, go to the...
ari shaffir
Oh, here it is.
He set that up so good.
joe rogan
So ridiculous.
Like as if someone would be filming him just sitting there in the sun.
ari shaffir
In a field with nothing around him.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
And he's got like a little cookout going on.
ari shaffir
Oh, he set it up so good.
joe rogan
But I just love the fact they're filming for no fucking reason.
ari shaffir
Just filming a guy on his phone.
joe rogan
Yeah, no big deal.
Just happen to be filming.
Look, I'm moving around a little so you know it's real.
jamie vernon
I skipped ahead this long video.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
What is that?
joe rogan
What is that?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you hear that?
unidentified
Nope.
jamie vernon
I didn't hear anything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
I think it was just Mark.
joe rogan
See if you can find it.
If you can find it.
ari shaffir
Alright, go to the spoiler.
We know we did it too long for sure.
We already know what the setup is.
Is it gonna be up here behind him?
joe rogan
I don't know.
ari shaffir
Come on, be right here, be right here.
joe rogan
For sure put your shirt on, dude.
ari shaffir
No, the sun's out!
joe rogan
Oh, the sound, it growls.
He had a growl.
Okay, they're in the woods.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
I haven't seen anything yet.
jamie vernon
Oh shit, it's here!
unidentified
Run!
Run!
Run, John!
joe rogan
That was the worst acting of all time.
ari shaffir
Run!
unidentified
Run!
What is it?
I don't know, dude.
Fuck this.
joe rogan
Oh my god, this is so ridiculous.
unidentified
It was big, and it was black, and it was fucking hairy.
After all that bullshit about Sasquatch and all that shit.
That's so tough.
That's so tough.
All that bullshit about Sasquatch and all that shit.
I see it!
Go!
That's from 1997. He made a Blair Witch Bigfoot movie on his tour bus.
joe rogan
How bored is he?
unidentified
I saw it.
joe rogan
Boston people add extra R's that aren't necessary and remove other ones.
I saw it.
ari shaffir
You know why?
They don't have to say the word garbage, because that's what they are.
joe rogan
Ooh, how dare you.
But when you perform there, you enjoy them, though, no?
ari shaffir
They're all right, but the ones that aren't garbage, most of them are garbage.
Come on, dude.
Boston people.
unidentified
Rude.
joe rogan
How rude.
This is a really dumb video, and you can take it down.
Enough is enough.
ari shaffir
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
We don't have to watch the rest of that.
It's so unnecessary.
They get bored, man.
ari shaffir
That was just them for their friends.
I wasn't really trying to...
Put it online!
joe rogan
It's on YouTube.
Jamie just found it.
He's trying to get a viral video going on.
ari shaffir
Jamie made it.
Jamie's like, dude from Aerosmith, it's not the main guy, can I talk to you about the opportunity?
joe rogan
Bobcat Goldthwait bleeds in Bigfoot.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, we discussed this on the podcast yesterday.
ari shaffir
He made a movie, a horror movie.
joe rogan
It's a good movie.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
It's a good movie.
Yeah, it's fun.
It's like a Blair Witch type.
ari shaffir
I saw him at Apple Store getting my phone fixed back when I had one, and he was just giving a talk there about the movie, just randomly.
joe rogan
Oh, he must have edited it on iMovie or something?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
They just had him as like final cut.
joe rogan
Probably, right?
ari shaffir
I was going to ask him when he said he was coming out.
joe rogan
Was he supposed to do it?
ari shaffir
He was a director.
If anybody did it, he'd do it.
joe rogan
So they did put it together?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
Oh.
He was director of one.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Willow Creek movie.
ari shaffir
Willow Creek.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really good, man.
ari shaffir
I saw a scene from him.
It looked good.
You saw it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw it.
ari shaffir
That's cool.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I was like, wow.
You made a fucking horror movie, man.
ari shaffir
He just became a full director like years and years ago, right?
Decades?
joe rogan
Well, he's just a very smart dude and he could kind of do anything he wants.
My mom is not a dude.
Fuck, bro.
ari shaffir
Why don't you concentrate on the smart part?
joe rogan
He can do whatever he wants.
He just has to set his mind to it, then he just does it.
It's not shocking to me that he does a horror movie.
He could kind of do any kind of movie.
Did you see Call Me Lucky?
ari shaffir
No.
joe rogan
It's a documentary that he did about Barry Crimmins.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, I heard about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, really influential Boston stand-up comedian, like one of the most important guys in the early days of Boston and was brutally molested when he was a kid by his babysitter's boyfriend.
Like, fucked in the ass, like, well, she, like, watched The Door, like that kind of shit.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
joe rogan
Really bad, yeah.
And his sister saved his life.
She came down and he's unconscious, like he would shove his head in the couch so he couldn't breathe, like he couldn't scream, and the guy would fuck him and he would like literally black out.
From getting fucked with his face and it's a horrific, horrific documentary, but really well done and really fascinating and really open and the way Barry Crimmins talks about like getting over it and you know and and then all the people that love Barry and talk about what a massive influence he had on stand-up in Boston during the early days of Boston and then a lot of people that he knew like all his life did not know about this story.
You know, and he wanted to kind of put it out in this documentary form, and it's so well done.
I can't recommend it enough.
It's called Call Me Lucky.
Bobcat is a bad motherfucker.
He really is.
He could, you know...
ari shaffir
He's nice.
joe rogan
He can do whatever he wants.
And he's a good dude, too.
He really is a good dude.
And he's a UFC fan.
ari shaffir
Do you know the Blackhearts thing?
joe rogan
What's that?
ari shaffir
The Blackhearts, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts and Lita Ford, had their managers line them up, said, it's time for you guys to become a woman.
He just said, bend over.
Every one of you are just fucking...
joe rogan
What?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Where'd you hear this?
ari shaffir
Their manager.
joe rogan
Come on.
ari shaffir
Big J, I guess.
Could be not true.
But he's into that kind of music.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
So...
ari shaffir
When they were 14. What?
Their manager fucked them all when they were the Runaways.
joe rogan
Come on.
ari shaffir
Time for You Got Ladies to Become Women.
Something like that.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah, I think it was in some, like, one of those documentaries.
Lita Ford or one of them was talking about it.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Well, you know what?
It's shocking.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I wouldn't say I'm surprised.
ari shaffir
It was a real piece of shit manager they had and just...
joe rogan
But would you be surprised that, like, some crazy showbiz manager would fuck his clients?
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah, and keep him as clients, too.
joe rogan
For sure, right?
The right guy, the right crazy guy.
100%, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ari shaffir
And it wasn't like they had a lot of leverage when they were just signing with somebody.
They hadn't done anything.
joe rogan
They couldn't do shit back then about it.
They put them together.
What are you gonna do?
You gonna go to TMZ? Where are you gonna go?
ari shaffir
Yeah, they just sucked it up.
joe rogan
Just nowhere to go.
Look what's happening with that singer girl's name who wants to get out of her contract.
Kesha.
ari shaffir
Kesha.
joe rogan
Look at her.
I mean, who knows what the truth is behind that story or what's really going on, but it's kind of a similar thing.
Like, her producer was having sex with her, apparently, and she said he raped her.
Isn't that what she said?
Isn't that what the accusation is?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But meanwhile, she's tied into a contract with this dude, so she can't make music unless she makes it with him?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Like, that's crazy if it's true.
ari shaffir
Yeah, the judge was in a tough spot on that one.
joe rogan
What do you do there?
ari shaffir
Because he's like, okay, you have a contract.
If nothing happens, then you have to honor your contract.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
And there's no proof of this.
If it's true, that's horrible.
But either way, there's no proof of it.
So we can't just go on you saying, alleging this, because then everyone would just say, well, rape out of my contract, please.
Right.
So he's like, unless I have a proof of something, there's nothing I can do by contract law.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a pretty heinous crime.
ari shaffir
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, he's denying it, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's definitely denying it, but it's one of those really heinous crimes where you gotta go, how do you find out who the fuck told the truth?
unidentified
It's such a hard crime to prove.
Well, especially when women get way upset about it, because it's so hard to prove it.
joe rogan
Well, that also sets it up for this thing where you're never supposed to question a victim.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you can't say never.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
Like, you definitely shouldn't automatically question the victim.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But if something seems goofy, you should not question the victim.
Like, people lie.
I know people that have had false rape accusations.
I know them personally.
ari shaffir
I was going through it in New York.
And everybody at his level is like, we know she's crazy and that's just not a thing.
joe rogan
Dude, it can happen.
ari shaffir
They're telling her, like, stop saying this.
You know it wasn't...
joe rogan
It can happen just like there can be crazy men.
There can be crazy women.
There's just crazy people.
There's people that will absolutely fucking make up a story.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
And the thing is, if you don't know about it, or if you're like, well, how dare you?
You're not going to believe it.
It's like, yeah, yes.
joe rogan
So it becomes one of those things where it's like the person who is...
Accused of doing it is also being victimized.
ari shaffir
Yeah, so we're supposed to ignore that victim and Concentrate the problems are based on this idea physical better a thousand men a thousand guilty men go free than one innocent man Go to prison.
unidentified
Yeah, right people don't really like to apply that to rape No, no.
joe rogan
Well, it's one of those weird ones that you can't look at it objectively.
ari shaffir
You're not allowed to.
Yeah, you know these internet maiming mobs they do now?
unidentified
Is it?
ari shaffir
Internet mobs, you know, mob justice.
That's in response to women not finding justice through the legal system.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
So they're like, well, let's just fucking ruin his life.
Let's call his mom.
Let's do these things and really fuck up his life.
joe rogan
Well, we know that's true, too, right?
Yeah.
I mean, we know that people have done horrible shit and gotten away with it.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
So then it's like, well, let's, you know.
And there might be an occasional, like, innocent man or North Carolina lacrosse team, Duke lacrosse team.
jamie vernon
Is there any...
I know the rape is bad.
I'm not bringing that up.
unidentified
What?
jamie vernon
But is there anything on her...
joe rogan
You have to say that?
jamie vernon
On her side about, like, you signed a bad contract.
Sorry.
Like...
Maybe at the beginning of it, you shouldn't have been into that?
joe rogan
No, but I don't think the contract has anything to do with her getting raped.
jamie vernon
It doesn't have to do with that.
That's why she's suing him, because she can't supposedly make music because of the contract she has with that guy.
That's why her career is supposedly ruined right now.
ari shaffir
The record industry has a long history of that, just burying people.
joe rogan
Yeah, but hold on.
We already kind of covered this.
She can't leave and make music because he has her under contract, even though she says he raped her.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
jamie vernon
Right.
Well, in my interpretation, I thought she was saying that she was raped in order to probably get out of this contract.
To break the contract.
ari shaffir
She was raped to break the contract.
jamie vernon
She's saying she was raped in order to get away from this guy who has her under contract.
joe rogan
Well, that would be the accusation.
jamie vernon
And I'm just saying, like...
Not that you shouldn't be bringing up the rape, but if she's making it up, this would be a good thing to make up to get you out of a contract.
I'm sort of saying that.
ari shaffir
Yeah, I mean, honestly, if you had an 8-and-8 contract in the UFC, and then some other company offered you $50,000 a fight, but you had a six-fight contract, you'd be like...
joe rogan
So you're going to pretend you got raped?
ari shaffir
I mean, it would work.
jamie vernon
I just don't know.
What do you say to get out of your contract?
It would make the public go.
ari shaffir
How dare you not let them go?
jamie vernon
I don't know what it is you would say to get out of your contract, but you'd have to make up something to get out of it.
Not that I'm saying she did.
ari shaffir
No, that's what his side is saying.
She's making us up to get out of a shitty contract.
jamie vernon
I'm asking, sorry.
unidentified
Okay.
I didn't mean it that way.
ari shaffir
No, I know.
It's such an electric subject.
You say, like, one word wrong.
You're like, wait, no, wait, that's not what I meant.
joe rogan
It's entirely possible that either one of them could not be telling the truth.
You're right.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We don't know.
I don't know her.
I've never even heard her voice.
I've never heard her talk.
I don't know anything about her.
So all I'm seeing is that she went to court and tried to get free, and they wouldn't let her free.
And the guy's still wandering around, so they're not prosecuting him for any sort of sexual offense, right?
jamie vernon
As far as I've read, yeah.
When you sign a contract, you sign one, right?
Or no?
ari shaffir
Yeah, that's what we say.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, she's obviously got some sort of a contract with her.
But see, here's another thing.
If I had a contract with someone and they falsely accused me of rape, I think I'd fucking let them go.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but I don't want you anymore.
joe rogan
I wouldn't want to be tied into a contract with them.
But the idea of if in any way, shape, or form she's telling the truth of forcing her to work with somebody.
ari shaffir
It's horrible.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
See?
ari shaffir
But that's not what the judge was doing.
The judge was just ruling on the contract law.
joe rogan
Contracts are fucking weird, man.
Like, think of it as a comic.
Think of, like, you as a comic.
Like, what if you had a contract to do your stand-up?
And, like, you had some guy that was, like, a producer that made you go on the road, and you had a pact with him, and he made you do his jokes, and he would help you write your act, and you couldn't do comedy without him.
ari shaffir
I would just stop doing comedy.
joe rogan
But that's crazy!
That in the music business happens all the time.
That was the Prince thing.
ari shaffir
That's why Gerard turned down New Girl.
joe rogan
What's that mean?
ari shaffir
Gerard Carmichael.
joe rogan
What's New Girl?
ari shaffir
He was that show New Girl with whatever his name is.
Zooey Deschanel.
joe rogan
I don't know who that is.
ari shaffir
It's been on Fox for about seven or eight years.
joe rogan
Listen, you're acting like I'm...
You're not giving me enough information.
ari shaffir
That's what I'm telling you.
joe rogan
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
ari shaffir
There's a TV show on Fox.
There's a sitcom on Fox.
It's been on for like seven or eight years.
It's got Zooey Deschanel in it.
Or one of the Deschanel twins.
joe rogan
And what did they try to do with Gerard?
ari shaffir
He tested for it.
joe rogan
Right.
ari shaffir
And then they really liked him.
And then he just disappeared.
Because he saw a seven-year contract.
And he was like, uh, I don't want to get locked into this thing for seven years.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
Now he has his own sitcom.
joe rogan
Seven year contract.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he balked at it.
He, like, disappeared.
He hung out in a Starbucks or something.
joe rogan
Good for him.
ari shaffir
Yeah, and he was sleeping on couches at the time.
joe rogan
He's got balls.
ari shaffir
He didn't have a place to live.
unidentified
Smart dude.
ari shaffir
And he was like, meh.
joe rogan
Seven years.
ari shaffir
Yeah, he wanted his own show.
joe rogan
A long ass fucking time, folks.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Seven years.
ari shaffir
And what if the direction of the show becomes more corny?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
ari shaffir
So now, like, there's nothing you can do.
If you walk away, you'll never work here again.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Doing bad sitcoms is a horrible feeling.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
It's horrible.
I was on that Fox show that was terrible.
ari shaffir
Hardball?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was terrible.
There were some episodes where it was just unbelievably bad.
ari shaffir
You feel like you're supposed to have to do it or something?
joe rogan
I feel like a whore.
You feel like, you know, you just feel gross when you say these lines because you know they're bad.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you know that the show is bad and you know that this is the exact opposite of the way you feel when you're doing stand-up at a club.
ari shaffir
Something good.
joe rogan
Well, when you're doing stand-up at a club, if you're doing your best and it doesn't work out, at least you know you can fix it and you can figure out how to make it funny again.
When you're doing these shows and it's bad, they tell you it's good and they make you keep going.
And so you're doing this...
ari shaffir
Yeah, and they'll put a billboard up there and they'll show you where they've raised in the ratings, but you know it's terrible, so who cares?
joe rogan
I had to work with kids.
I worked with this kid who was on the set and she had...
ari shaffir
They're not funny.
joe rogan
No, she was fine.
My point was...
ari shaffir
Yeah, I'm sure she was a barrel of laughs.
joe rogan
She was a nice kid.
ari shaffir
Fuck her.
joe rogan
She was a nice boy, too.
She was a nice young fella and a nice young girl that were on the show at one point in time.
They were very fine.
Fine folks.
But my point being, they were really young.
They had tutors and shit and they could only work a certain amount of hours in a day.
ari shaffir
Why don't you expose your child to that?
joe rogan
Well, I had a conversation with one of them about it.
And I was just trying to figure out what's the idea behind it.
And they were kind of saying, you've got to strike while the iron is hot.
You have an opportunity right now to secure a lot of money.
ari shaffir
Okay, that's for their Hollywood career.
But them as children, as human beings.
That's just another 50 industries you can work in.
Why are you fucking up...
Like, okay, chances are, you'll barely ever book anything, and you'll just get filled with this, like, mommy's not proud of me.
She keeps taking me to things I don't book.
And by the way, if you've booked two out of 50 things, that's still a really high percentage, which is you're getting rejected 48 times.
joe rogan
That's an amazing percentage.
Most people don't get two things.
ari shaffir
So, constant rejection, and then if you get it, like, finally I get their love.
And then what if you book everything?
What if you nail stuff?
What's the best case scenario that way?
joe rogan
What is the best case scenario?
ari shaffir
Overdose at 24. If you're lucky.
Yeah.
You get super sensitive, everybody loves you, River Phoenix.
joe rogan
They're all whacked.
ari shaffir
They're crazy.
joe rogan
Except like Jodie Foster, she seems to be okay.
ari shaffir
She seems like she pulled his way out of it.
joe rogan
She's the outlier of outliers.
Everybody else is fucking crazy.
They're all whacked up on fucking poopy pills.
ari shaffir
They never get told the truth.
joe rogan
Never.
And you don't grow up.
Your grow up period is supposed to be this struggle.
You never get that struggle.
ari shaffir
You don't have to win over friends?
joe rogan
You never have to learn how to make friends.
Everybody loves you everywhere you go.
They know who you are and they love you.
ari shaffir
Oh, thank you.
joe rogan
It's fucking bananas.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That doesn't make any sense.
ari shaffir
And you're going to expose your kid to that.
That's a best case scenario, is that thing.
joe rogan
Dude, I know several child stars.
ari shaffir
You should use robots or midgets.
It shouldn't be legal.
You know several child stars?
joe rogan
Yeah, several.
ari shaffir
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I know a couple of them.
I know several of them.
ari shaffir
They're not quite right.
joe rogan
Oh, they can't be.
ari shaffir
They're also actors, so that's part of it, too.
They're still in it.
They're garbage because of that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think there's just something weird about developing your personality and your body going through puberty and all that shit while you're famous.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That sounds crazy.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not good for you.
Can't be.
Can't be.
What's important for everybody?
What's important for a guy like you or a guy like Joey or Duncan or anybody that I know that's interesting?
There was a lot of stress in the early years.
There was a lot of struggle and strife.
ari shaffir
Fans and friends and just learn how to cope with no money.
Just build character.
That's what building character is, right?
joe rogan
Also, there's a certain amount of appreciation for whatever success you do attain, because you're always going to remember being poor and fucked up and sad.
ari shaffir
If you were a waitress for a while, you'd enjoy being a movie star a lot more than just some child star who became...
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
I mean, not saying that the child star can't form some sort of an understanding.
Not saying that it's not possible.
ari shaffir
The odds go against you.
joe rogan
The odds are strongly against you.
ari shaffir
My friend saw somebody at one of those award shows.
He just got into one of those award shows.
He said one of those American Pie ladies, you know, like Tara Reid or something like that.
Somebody pulled up in a Honda, you know, some valet.
And she goes, who brought a Honda?
I think it was like the lowest thing she could think of.
joe rogan
One of the American Pie girls said that?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wow.
ari shaffir
And it's just like, alright, you guys are never going to relate to actual people.
joe rogan
That's so weird.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I had some lady mock me once because I had an Acura NSX. Really?
She just mocked me in front of a restaurant for having a fake Ferrari.
ari shaffir
That was too low a car.
unidentified
Yeah.
ari shaffir
$90,000 car.
joe rogan
It's a fucking great car.
To this day, I still wish I had it.
I should have never gotten rid of it.
ari shaffir
I remember that car when you had that.
joe rogan
Oh, it's fucking beautiful.
It's a Honda.
ari shaffir
Dude, you would bring these toys into the store and just be like, hey guys, take a look at this.
First of all, I'm going to play the sound system loud enough and they'll hear it in the showroom.
And then I'll show you the fucking bootleg video machine I have where you can watch full Bruce Lee videos while you're driving.
joe rogan
Oh, that was the Infinity.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
You could watch Game of Death as you were driving.
ari shaffir
I'm like, wait, is that legal?
unidentified
You're like, what?
No!
joe rogan
You have a Switch.
A special switch I could hit.
ari shaffir
Flipped over like Cannonball Run license plates.
Put a hit from everybody.
joe rogan
That's what you do when you get that Fear Factor money.
ari shaffir
Yeah, you would come with that and marijuana lemonade before there were dispensaries.
joe rogan
Remember that?
ari shaffir
It's like, what?
What is this?
joe rogan
Well, I was ahead of the curve when it came to marijuana drinkables.
I used to buy bottles of this marijuana wine.
It was like a soda.
We call it marijuana wine, but it was like a soda that contained weed in it.
ari shaffir
Come on.
joe rogan
And it was fucking preposterously strong.
ari shaffir
Really?
joe rogan
Oh my god, it tastes pretty good.
It tasted pretty good.
So you drink a whole glass of it and you just go on a spiral ride.
A tornado of emotions just turns you through the air.
Takes you to another place.
ari shaffir
Drinkable, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it was so brutal.
It was so powerful.
ari shaffir
And no one had tolerance for it back then.
unidentified
No!
joe rogan
Not only that, we didn't understand that it was a different drug yet.
ari shaffir
That was five years before the banana bread.
joe rogan
Yeah, nobody understood.
Even to this day, most people don't understand.
ari shaffir
How much it's different?
joe rogan
Yeah, when you smoke it, you get the THC, but when you eat it, it becomes a totally different psychoactive substance.
ari shaffir
How much do you take?
I don't know, one brownie.
Like, no, no, that's not an amount.
If you need a dosage, that can be so varied.
joe rogan
Because those barbarians that live on the East Coast, they don't have fucking regulations.
ari shaffir
It's like saying one pill.
Like, what milligram?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, have you seen this?
ari shaffir
No.
Oh, the tincture?
joe rogan
No, it's a breath spray.
ari shaffir
Breath spray.
Oh, yeah, you showed me that.
joe rogan
This is the 175. This is very light.
ari shaffir
170 milligrams?
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Jumbos.
ari shaffir
And how many sprays is 170 milligrams?
That's not light at all.
joe rogan
Here's a problem.
This is 175. This is 1,000.
ari shaffir
Oh, the whole bottle.
joe rogan
The whole bottle.
ari shaffir
Oh.
joe rogan
A thousand!
ari shaffir
That's not a very good in-between.
joe rogan
Dude, all you have to do is pop that cap, right?
Squeeze that, twist it, throw that bitch down.
Tastes good, it'll take a second.
ari shaffir
A thousand milligrams.
joe rogan
And you're gone.
ari shaffir
You'll barf on that if you don't have a tolerance.
joe rogan
Even if you're Joey Diaz, you're gone.
I think that Joey...
No.
ari shaffir
He takes a thousand.
joe rogan
That's not true.
I've seen Lee take 950. I've seen Joey eat two of those stars of death.
What are those stars of death?
ari shaffir
250 each.
joe rogan
That's 500. That's close.
ari shaffir
Dude, he gave me one of my tapings.
It does not have any tapings this year.
And I was like, I can't, Joey.
I ate a corner, and it got me.
You know sometimes small ones still get you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I was okay for my story at halfway through, and then I was like, fuck.
joe rogan
Do you remember one of those los jormones, those gummies, the gummy bears?
ari shaffir
Los gummies hermanos?
joe rogan
Yeah, los gummies hermanos.
Those gummy bears are fucking insane.
They should be illegal.
ari shaffir
Dude, those guys come to the punchline and stuff like you want to smoke?
Sure.
And then you just see a fire going.
You just carry tortures as your regular.
That's your car pipe.
Damn, full torch.
joe rogan
Giant blunts.
jamie vernon
I ate four before the UFC the other day.
unidentified
You ate four?
joe rogan
You ate a thousand?
Jamie apparently doesn't feel it.
jamie vernon
Yeah, it doesn't affect me that way.
unidentified
You're too thin.
ari shaffir
Thin people.
jamie vernon
I don't know.
ari shaffir
No.
Here's my theory, because I've heard this a lot.
A lot of times, it's people with really low fat.
It binds to fat.
If they don't have anything for it to bind on...
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
With the people I've seen- He's lower fat than me, though, probably.
ari shaffir
He's meaty.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but it's muscle, not fat.
ari shaffir
There's fat in there, though.
joe rogan
Come on, son.
Shredded.
How dare you?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
Alright, good point.
joe rogan
I'm lighter than I've ever been.
ari shaffir
How much do you weigh?
joe rogan
190. I'm lighter than I've been in a long time.
Which means I have lower body fat.
ari shaffir
And I'm so much fatter than you.
joe rogan
Because I'm like a chimpanzee.
I'm short and fucked up looking.
ari shaffir
Fucking muscle filled with helium.
joe rogan
It's just thick.
It's just all bones and muscle.
But my point being, I get blasted.
It has nothing to do with body fat.
It doesn't change with me.
unidentified
You eat fatty foods?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't eat much fatty foods.
unidentified
I eat fat.
ari shaffir
The people I've seen that happen to, it doesn't hit them, it's always real thin, real small people.
joe rogan
But when you're talking about like fatty foods, people think of fatty foods like things that make you fat.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Or fat itself.
I eat more fat.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it doesn't make you fat.
ari shaffir
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
Your body starts burning.
ari shaffir
Maybe it's that fat that you take in.
I know sometimes when you eat a slice of pizza after you get high, it kicks it up again.
joe rogan
Really?
ari shaffir
Yeah.
For sure.
joe rogan
Did they say, like, mangoes?
jamie vernon
I was going to say orange juice.
People used to drink orange juice a lot.
ari shaffir
That was for acid and mushrooms.
jamie vernon
Same thing.
Same thought, I guess, but I don't know if that's true.
joe rogan
I thought it was, uh...
God, I want to say mangoes.
Like, someone said that mangoes enhance your high.
ari shaffir
Get Joey Diaz on the phone.
I've heard that with mangoes.
I've heard that with mangoes.
joe rogan
Go to Jamaica.
Be one of those fucking coconuts.
unidentified
You're on with 1-900-JRE. It's 100% true.
joe rogan
Mangos increase the effects of consuming marijuana.
ari shaffir
Sort of smoking more.
unidentified
Leave your fruit at home, you pussy.
joe rogan
Ari wants candy and more pot.
Fuck off, punks.
ari shaffir
I gotta slow down.
joe rogan
Do you?
ari shaffir
Yeah, for sure.
Dean Delray got the diabetes.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
Got the candy diabetes.
jamie vernon
What?
ari shaffir
Yeah, he's reversed it already, but he told his doctor he's lethargic and whatever.
He goes, oh yeah, man, I think I know what that is.
And he said he got it not from candy.
He eats a lot of candy, but from those tortilla shells and shit like that.
Whoa!
That turn to fat, pizza, stuff that turns to sugar in your body.
joe rogan
So he's just eating way too many carbs.
ari shaffir
Yeah, sugar and Cartwright.
joe rogan
You know Sam Harris, the neuroscientist, the atheist character, really great podcast guest, he went vegan and his blood lipids are all fucked up because he's consuming so many carbs, like so many pastas and breads and things along those lines, that that sort of breaks it down in his body to sugar, so it fucks up your blood lipids.
You got to be real careful with that.
If you're going to do like a carbohydrate-rich diet, you really got to mix up a lot of green leafy vegetables.
And if you're going to get fats, you should get them from like, you got to use like coconut oil and coconut butter and things along those lines to keep everything.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
I'm just going to try to stop eating as much candy.
joe rogan
Don't eat candy.
I don't eat any sugar.
ari shaffir
As much.
joe rogan
I don't eat any sugar unless it's like...
ari shaffir
Based on ribs?
joe rogan
Less than something, like less than a certain...
Basting on ribs like shit like that.
ari shaffir
That's the kind of sugar you like.
Come on.
That doesn't count.
It doesn't count.
I know, but it doesn't count.
joe rogan
But it does in the way your body processes food.
That's where it gets weird.
ari shaffir
It's still mostly meat.
It's still less than candy.
Less than a bag of Haribo.
joe rogan
But it doesn't matter.
Your body doesn't know about that mostly meat shit.
Your body knows, oh, I just took in 51 grams of sugar from barbecue sauce.
It doesn't know.
As a matter of fact, your body doesn't know when you're taking in sugar from fruit.
ari shaffir
I thought it does because it binds with the fiber, if your actual fruit.
joe rogan
It helps if you eat it, but if you're drinking orange juice, that sugar is the same as sugar from Coca-Cola.
unidentified
Damn!
ari shaffir
They lied to us.
joe rogan
Your body doesn't know what the fuck it is.
If you drink a giant-ass 20-ounce glass of orange juice, your body is just simply not designed to have that much sugar come out of an orange.
That's like fucking nine oranges with no fiber.
So it whacks your body out.
It's probably better for you because there's all vitamin C in it, there's no caffeine, and it's probably better for you than a 20 ounce Coca-Cola.
But the sugar amount...
ari shaffir
Processed?
Does it matter if it's processed or not?
joe rogan
Alright, let me ask you this.
ari shaffir
I gotta pee.
Can I pee in the spring bottle water?
joe rogan
Yeah, just whip your dick out, bro.
Okay.
jamie vernon
Guess how much sugar.
joe rogan
He dick's not small enough for that.
Don't piss all over my floor.
Yeah, you can do it in there.
Just cornhole that.
But we have to go soon anyway because I gotta get something somewhere.
He's gonna pee.
Folks, don't put a camera on him because that's rude.
There he goes.
Don't put a camera on him.
We don't want to lose our YouTube feed.
jamie vernon
Guess how much sugar is in a...
unidentified
Less now.
joe rogan
Let me put the camera near his dick.
Or the...
Folks, that's the first time anybody's peed on the podcast.
Don't take a photo of his dick!
jamie vernon
How dare you?
joe rogan
He's taking a photo of your dick, bro.
unidentified
What?
How dare you?
joe rogan
That's a full kombucha.
Definitely don't drink that.
Are you going to piss in the pickles, too?
unidentified
I got it.
I'm not done.
joe rogan
Bro, how'd you cut off stream?
For sure you're dribbling on my carpet.
unidentified
I pinched it.
ari shaffir
No, I fully pinched.
joe rogan
You fully pinched?
unidentified
Fully pinched.
joe rogan
I fully pinched.
Dude, that's a lot of pee.
unidentified
That's a lot of pee.
joe rogan
Ari Shaffir will be at the Comedy Store tomorrow night, ladies and gentlemen.
Go to AriTheGreat.com and you can buy tickets.
Tell them that you heard him pee on the Joe Rogan Experience and you will get absolutely nothing off your ticket price.
ari shaffir
It's only $10, cocksuckers.
joe rogan
It's only $10, folks.
We got piss here.
If you want it, we're going to put it on eBay for poachers.
We're going to...
We're going to stop poaching in Africa.
ari shaffir
That's how you attract Jews to hunt.
Put out some Jew piss.
joe rogan
We're going to stop the poaching with Ari's piss.
ari shaffir
Hey, by the way, can I say this?
joe rogan
Yes, you can.
ari shaffir
I'm going to Edinburgh.
All the UK people listen to you.
joe rogan
You say bruh?
ari shaffir
Edinburgh.
joe rogan
Edinburgh.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Edinburgh.
Edinburgh.
joe rogan
Someone tell those people there's a G and an H in there.
ari shaffir
They don't see it that way.
They also have rules against bringing knives because they get stabby there too.
Yeah, they have no knives at all bars.
I'm doing my hour.
This hour that I'm doing tomorrow at the Comedy Store.
And then I'm going to record in October in Cap City.
I'm doing this hour.
It's not a British hour.
This is what an American hour looks like.
Fuck your themes and your spotlights.
unidentified
What?
ari shaffir
And your chairs are sitting and get serious at the end.
We don't do that here.
joe rogan
What happens over there?
Madness?
ari shaffir
A few people won this award by doing this, like, full circle thing.
Trying to, like, that's when I realized, you know, I was...
And it's just like, then they all start trying to emulate that.
We don't do that here.
unidentified
Whoa.
ari shaffir
So that's my hour.
joe rogan
Okay, so you're doing American stand-up comedy, am I right?
ari shaffir
Yes, American stand-up comedy.
joe rogan
It is 2016. Yes.
That is the best style.
ari shaffir
At the Hive, 6.30 every day, 25 straight days.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Maybe 22. That's insane.
How many people are in the place?
ari shaffir
I don't know.
unidentified
Wow.
ari shaffir
Hopefully more.
So if you have friends that are going, tell them about it.
joe rogan
How many is a seat?
You don't know?
ari shaffir
This place seats about 120. Oh, that's perfect.
Yeah.
But you gotta fill up on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
joe rogan
It's not gonna happen.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But you'll have a good time anyway.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I learned a lot from this thing.
joe rogan
Hey man, those fucking...
Sometimes those shows with 10 people are the best shows ever.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
For sure I love this thing.
joe rogan
Or the shows with 50 people are sometimes the best show ever.
ari shaffir
Also these Scottish people that don't get your references.
And it's like, what?
joe rogan
Twist it around.
You gotta figure out how to make a dance.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
Just pay what you want.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
What are you, a communist?
unidentified
Fucking socialist?
ari shaffir
I'm a little bit of a communist for certain things.
joe rogan
That'll work over there.
ari shaffir
But people contribute there.
At Edinburgh, it's so weird, man.
Even the big guys.
They come outside afterwards like, I got a bucket.
It's just like part of it.
joe rogan
Whoa.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
I like it.
A lot of them just do fully free shows.
I'm like, if you enjoyed it, pay me.
And then the great shows that fill up, get more money.
joe rogan
That is a great idea.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
It doesn't feel like begging because everyone is doing it there.
joe rogan
That's a great idea.
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's like very fair.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
ari shaffir
If I sucked, get out of here.
Don't worry about it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
ari shaffir
If you really like me, support a couple of fucking pounds.
You get way higher percentage, so less money, but like, the people who can't afford it, can't afford it.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
Right.
And then they might be a bit good.
See, the problem is you give people free tickets in America.
ari shaffir
Right.
joe rogan
I don't know if it would work over here like that.
ari shaffir
Yeah, but there, right, because they were crazy and they'll squeeze.
joe rogan
They're just assholes.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
There, you tell them, hey, you didn't pay, get the fuck out.
And they just leave.
unidentified
Right.
ari shaffir
They're like, I don't want to be here, I'll just go.
joe rogan
But when you comp people in America, oftentimes you get like a less enthusiastic crowd.
ari shaffir
For sure.
For sure.
joe rogan
But maybe it's just an American idea, though, you know?
ari shaffir
Could be.
They do treat it more like theater there.
joe rogan
Twats!
ari shaffir
Yeah.
joe rogan
Alright folks, we gotta get the fuck out of here.
That's it for the week.
Watch This Is Not Happening.
When?
ari shaffir
Oh, it's only on YouTube now.
Every Tuesday.
joe rogan
Every Tuesday, you fucks.
Every Tuesday.
This Is Not Happening.
AriTheGreat.com for tickets for tomorrow night at the fucking Comedy Store.
And that's it.
ari shaffir
The Rosa Story is this week.
It's a good one.
Watch that.
These are the uncut ones on YouTube.
joe rogan
Alright.
ari shaffir
Sorry, sorry.
joe rogan
Bye, lovelies.
ari shaffir
See ya.
unidentified
Who wants his piss?
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