Dave Smith, Kanye West’s fan club president and libertarian provocateur, dissects Hillary Clinton’s alleged 1980s defense of a child rapist—backed by a damning tape—and ties it to U.S. government deception, from the Gulf of Tonkin to NSA lies under Clapper. They mock political tribalism, including Clinton’s "woman card" and $100M Saudi funding, while critiquing military-industrial hypocracy and questioning nuclear control by humans. Smith’s skepticism extends to AI governance, 3D-printed guns, and absurd social justice debates like gender-neutral pronouns, dismissing them as distractions from real progress—even joking about "AI" (Allen Iverson) ruling instead. The episode ends with Rogan and Smith embracing chaos over complacency, teasing future collaborations and Smith’s stand-up comedy festival in NYC on June 18th–19th. [Automatically generated summary]
So this guy basically raped a 12-year-old girl, and really brutal, the details of the story, and she defended the guy, and there's tape of her in an interview Talking about this years later.
Now it's still, it's back in the day, it's when Hillary Clinton's doing like a southern accent.
There's been like six different Hillary Clintons that have existed.
This was the southern wife of Bill Clinton, Hillary.
And you have to filter out, like, the just nonsense.
Because that's the problem with where we're at now, is that the truth is out in the internet, but it's sandwiched in between a whole bunch of nonsense.
Yes, that's right, because every conspiracy theorist, as it turns out, when I read more conspiracy theorists, it turns out they were just working for the conspiracy, and they're against Alex Jones, they all think now is working for it.
And so when I hear that, I go, oh, I see how you...
I've read some shit about me being a CIA agent.
Like, yeah, what a circuitous route I took.
I went from kickboxing to stand-up comedy, all the while secretly undercover for the CIA. We're going to plant him in news radio, and before you know it, he'll be leading public opinion.
Dude, here's an even funnier one.
Eddie Bravo thinks that it's perhaps possible, perhaps, that Laurel Canyon was all about CIA psyops and Jim Morrison and all these musicals.
Powerful LA pot.
That they were all a part of some CIA plan to institute the drug movement.
I don't even understand the plan.
But the idea is that all these influential people came out of this Laurel Canyon area, and Jim Morrison's dad was in the CIA. And my take is like, Jesus Christ, you know how busy CIA dads are?
They're never around for their kid.
Of course their kid grows up to be Jim Morrison.
It's not that the dad was there influencing him with a fucking hypnosis to one of those watches.
I feel like with a lot of those conspiracy theories, my take on it is you have the government, it's almost like if the government was a person, you could be like, okay, we've got them on murdering these 50 people, and we have it cold hard, they clearly did it.
And then you're like, yeah, but I heard a rumor that they also murdered another 100 people.
That's why believing, which is a much more common belief out of the conspiracy thing, but believing that population's a problem is crazy because, like you said, you never know when that...
You know, they'll, like, environmentalists, they'll be like, well, if we have too many people, then there's too big a carbon footprint.
But you're like, yeah, except until we have the one person who figures out how to save all of us.
But what you said before, when you're talking about the stuff with the Clinton tape, and you said why, you know, is it that people are, they need to find the information?
I think there is some of that, right?
Because, say, if they made this a story on the news, like, if every day they were playing, it's amazing the power the media has to choose what story we're gonna make The story.
And what story will maybe get mentioned here and then fade into obscurity.
So the media could make that a story that everyone has to deal with.
But I've found there's a lot of denial.
Like when I talk to liberals or Hillary supporters, and I'll bring that stuff up.
It's not what I'm saying I'm just saying guys It's so universal on the left that it seems to me to be a trait that you attribute with this tribe Like almost so you have to accept this trait right and then I think and I guess that's maybe a criticism I have of like Sam Harris and I know you had him on your show recently But I think a lot of those guys who got themselves like in this camp of we're the atheists We're the ones committed to rational thought and religion is terrible And now,
they'll look at things like the wars in the Middle East, and it just seems like, to me, it seems like they have a tendency to always try to blame the religiously motivated violence.
Because I think they've kind of got themselves on, like, team anti-religion.
We're on team atheist.
So the Muslims have to be worse than the American military, because they're the religious ones.
We're, like, sophisticated and advanced, and everything about the U.S. military is built on, like, science and reason and thought, and these are crazy Muslims who are just maniacs.
So we have to blame them, even though, if you look at the numbers of dead, it's pretty staggeringly one-sided.
A very big percentage, and then a very big percentage of the hardcore supporters, the people who are really hardcore, the evangelical base that voted for George W. Bush, a big part of that support is this goofy religious belief that we need to be pro-Israel because the Jews need to be in Israel, and then Jesus can come back for us, and if some Muslims gotta get slaughtered in the process, well, this is how it's supposed to go, so we gotta protect that.
There's a lot of that weird shit on our side as well.
A lot of weird old southern money that goes into that.
Yeah.
There's a great Vice piece on those people.
There's a great Vice piece where they...
I forget, you know, Vice has so many of those online shows that are awesome.
It's hard to know which one it was but they went with these people to Israel these crazy evangelicals were going back to the motherland And it's like they were like well, this is where Jesus is gonna camp You know, this is where we're gonna set up his fire here and he'll pull his trailer in right here Like they had it was almost like that in his head like he was setting up I got two Budweiser's, one for me, one for Jesus, when he gets here.
Weird.
Weird.
But if you're on the right, like even Gavin McInnes, who I love.
Well, the American Indians were actually from Israel.
That was another one of his, that this guy spent a ton of money.
You know, we were talking with, when Sam was here the other day, we were talking about how 15 years ago it was like billions of dollars to get your genome mapped.
Now it's like a couple thousand bucks.
And we were talking about how crazy that is.
Like, what an insane leap.
Well, a few years back, before it became that cheap, some dude spent a fuckton of money, it was a Mormon, to try to prove that the Mormon scriptures were in fact correct, and the American Indians did come.
But we learned from that, actually.
It actually wound up being good for science, because this guy spent so much money.
We realized, no, they actually came from Siberia.
So it reinforces the idea of them crossing the landmass, the Bering Strait, and Interesting.
So they are Siberian.
It's interesting.
The merge or the movement, migration of people from Asia to North America and down into Mexico, and it's really fucking cool when you find out that it's Not that long ago.
The Northwood thing is just a fascinating glimpse into the mindset of the people who are on the inside, who really do view the world as pawns on a chessboard.
And if a lie is what it took to get the geopolitical result that they wanted and some Americans had to die or whatever, that's not a big deal.
And...
I think people should be aware of that.
Like anyone, a lot of times, like you were talking about getting in the team mentality, people kind of have this team mentality and they're like, well, they don't, you know, if someone's willing to just slaughter people in a third world country to make their buddies rich, I'd be careful with them around your kids too.
You know, like they're probably looking at everybody like they're pawns on a board, not just those guys.
And the lawyers sit down, they hash it out, and they give them the green light or the red light.
I'm like, whoa, that is fucking dark.
When you're leaving military matters and whether or not you attack with a flying robot to lawyers, arguably the most heartless creatures we've ever created in our capitalist society.
Yeah, and there's a reason they prefer an 18-year-old to a 30-year-old.
I mean, there's a reason they prefer, you know, someone who's still in just as good fighting shape, you know, essentially.
But when you're 18, you're in a different place, your levels are at a different place, and your willingness to follow orders, I think, is in a different place.
You know older people being wiser if they've had enough experiences, but we're all gathering experiences gathering experiences and then Calculating trying to figure okay.
Why'd that go wrong?
What is that?
Oh, here's that fucking thing again.
Oh, here's this.
Oh, I see how it goes You know, that's why as people get older they get less and less tolerant of certain things because they see these things over and over and over again And they recognize these patterns and you get more confident in your assertion of that pattern because you're like I've seen this That's bullshit six times now.
You know, and it's not black and white when it comes to that issue, but when you're dealing with something that, you know, a human being that gathers up this data.
When you're 18, What do you got?
A couple fucking birthday parties you remember?
The first time you got your dick sucked was only six months ago?
Like, what do you remember?
What do you have to base on?
What do you know?
Movies?
You watch a lot of movies?
That's probably what they're basing it on.
They think their life's gonna be some fucking Tom Hanks movie.
They're gonna come back and cry to their kids when they're younger, when they're older rather, about, you know, I served in the war, served my country, did my country proud.
Now, you might go home with no legs.
Like, you're in a crazy situation where you're killing people you don't know because someone you don't know told you you're supposed to kill people you don't know.
It's just they figure it out when they see that real shit that you're talking about.
Because, you know, there is also, that's another thing that's very, very downplayed, but should have been maybe the biggest story in, at least one of the biggest stories in the last ten years, was that Ron Paul, in the 2008 run and in the 2012 run, both runs, he got more money, more donations from active duty military people than all of the other candidates.
He got more than all the Republican candidates combined in 2012. And he outraised Barack Obama both times.
So it's like there's actually a lot of people in the military who see through this bullshit and were very happy to have like the only...
I mean, Ron Paul to me is like the only...
Politician on a presidential level in recent memory who has been unapologetically anti-war.
And not just like this hasn't worked, like this is a bullshit racket.
Yeah, when you get that many active military on your side, you really have to really think, well, these are the people that are dealing with this issue.
It's a part of their life.
It affects their families, it affects their friends, their loved ones, all the people they serve with.
The whole thing is...
It's so hard to believe that they've been able to keep this going for so long.
And this war, with no end, this war against terrorism, is one of the most devious things.
Because whether or not terrorism exists, it certainly does.
Whether or not we have to combat terrorism, we certainly do.
Whether or not we have to take measures to ensure the safety of the people, we definitely do.
100%.
But there's something really suspicious about an unnamed enemy.
Or an unseen enemy.
Or an enemy that's just terrorism.
It's like herpes just floating through all these parts of the world.
Right, but now it's not like one particular enemy.
It's this vague threat of attacks by irrational people, and then you see them scattered throughout the world and other places where they don't have the kind of security that we do.
So it reinforces our idea that the TSA is important, and you've got to get through that line, and you've got to be nice to these people.
Did he give you the nice explanation about how he's going to do it?
And then, sir, we're going to feel with the back of our hand.
The guy who did it to me, and like I said earlier, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but when they're like, you've been randomly selected for additional screening, inside I'm like, it was that last podcast, huh?
A friend of mine worked at a bank, and he told me how they had a big problem with people checking on celebrities' accounts, checking on other people, other friends of theirs' accounts.
It's human nature.
Personally, I think the biggest thing that Snowden...
He exposed, more so than any particular program, was that he exposed that that guy Clapper said, you know, Clapper was, I think, just six months, a year before Snowden released those files through Glenn Greenwald at The Guardian.
He, before a congressional hearing, goes, there is no bulk mass data collection.
And that's what's amazing about what Snowden showed you.
Just understand that.
They will lie through their fucking teeth to you.
They're liars.
They're not misguided, or they don't know what's happening.
They're telling you what they think you need to know so they can get away with their bullshit.
And that, to me, is a very important thing for people to realize.
Yeah, the fact that they think that that organization has been cleaned up.
Like, how much?
J. Edgar Hoover and what they did during the...
Well, it's coming out now more...
It's really interesting, the stories that are coming out now about how the war on drugs was a big part of their plan to try to break down the civil rights movement and break down these anti-war protesters because it's one thing they shared in common.
They were all doing drugs.
So they said, okay, we'll just have a fucking crazy war on drugs and we'll just go in and get these people.
They're going to be smoking pot.
We'll just arrest the shit out of them and just break up everything.
And they really did.
And it was...
It's brilliant in terms of strategy if you're going to go after your enemies.
It's a great way to do it.
But we're still suffering the consequences of Nixon's actions from J. Edgar Hoover's guidance.
That's the whole pile that that was operating under.
I also think that there's something inherently, like, if you're in the cross-dressing, banging dude scene, you're gonna meet other people with dirt, too.
That's true, too, but I was like, that's one of those things where people always say that if you are with a partner, and that partner all of a sudden starts getting, like, crazy, irrationally jealous.
It's probably because they're doing something sneaky.
And what he was doing was sort of that.
J. Edgar Hoover was a fucking maniac.
And he was in charge of the FBI. I mean, he was just a bona fide, insane person.
But, like you said, it's like, who's to say they're cleaned up?
I think we always have this idea that we get comfortable with the fucked up shit in the past.
So we're like, oh, this was so fucked up, but now it's not like that or anything.
You know, we love to look back at slavery or look back at Jim Crow or look back at something like, oh, what were these people thinking?
But if you look at, I mean, mass incarceration for nonviolent crimes or mass slaughter in the Middle East or any of this stuff that these people, believe me, if all the details of what's going on came out in 20 years, we're going to have the same attitude in 20 years and be like, oh, there's some fucked up shit going on in 2016. Yeah.
But there's also this weird thing where, look, I don't know exactly how it works, but there's this weird thing where they'll tell you stuff, but then you can't talk about it.
To anyone if it's like classified.
So there's actually congressmen who don't want the classified information because they want to be able to say whatever they want to be able to say.
It's a whole clusterfuck.
But I think this is one of the things that libertarians, at least the type of libertarian that I am, like that school, It really tries to emphasize, just don't look at government as if it's a different entity from humanity.
We're all people.
So it's like you were saying before, the CIA and the FBI, they're not one monolith.
It's different power sources, different groups of people, and yeah, of course they all are incentivized the way people are.
And they're a corporation like any other business where there's a bunch of people that are backstabbing each other trying to get to the top of the ladder.
So they're fucking each other over inside the tribe.
There's a lot of that going on.
It's a fucking weird world, man.
When you hear someone like Rand Paul saying, we don't know who's running this thing.
That's the government!
The whole government of the United States he's talking about.
He's talking about the strings behind the strings.
You know, I think we lose sight of it sometimes when you'd be like, you know, it's like, oh, well, they're always fucked up, so it's a little bit more fucked up.
But Libya was, by regional standards, one of the better places to be.
In the Middle East.
And it is now, I mean, a failed state.
It's just run by thugs and terrorist organizations.
When she's doing these debates and Bernie Sanders is calling her out on taking all that money from the banks and how she does these speeches for a quarter million dollars and he'd like to read the transcripts, she's just sitting there while he's doing that.
And she's going over her preparation, because they prepped her for this, so you know it comes out in this weird sort of robotic Aikido move, where she's trying to push it to the side like it's a fucking thug in a Steven Seagal movie.
It's weird, man, because she doesn't really answer it.
In a way, it's the only thing that I find a positive about Hillary Clinton is that you can constantly see through her and you can point to that shit in other people and go, but see how she's full of shit.
But how about for the woman card thing?
The fact that she's been taking tens of millions of dollars from the Saudi government, something like $100 million from Muslim dictatorships.
How can you run on the women's issue?
It's like being a Jew, running on Jewish issues, and you do business with the Nazis.
Well, they take it for the Clinton Foundation, which is like her and Bill and Chelsea's foundation, and they do all these projects, and it's all kind of in the name of charity, in the name of philanthropy, but it's pretty clearly, like, the Saudis aren't giving tens of millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation because they all of a sudden decided to be really good people.
They're doing it because they know that Clintons wield a lot of influence, and this is their way of giving them money.
Yeah, they can point to the good stuff, but in the meantime, they can also do all these projects, and lots of different companies can make money off these projects.
And then they get in, and we have this creepy business relationship with Saudi Arabia, who is the worst of the worst.
Like, all the shit that we...
You know, I love when the war machine...
Whenever there's a war they want, they get real humanitarian all of a sudden.
Like when Obama wanted to go back in...
Back into Iraq or when he wanted to go into Syria.
It's like, oh, these people are getting gassed.
Or, you know, there's a few hundred Yazidis up on the top of a mountain and they could die.
But when Saudi Arabia is slaughtering their own people, when Saddam was gassing people and we liked him, that was fine.
It's only when you're on the wrong side of whatever business deal we have going on, all of a sudden they're like, but think of the people.
All of a sudden John McCain cares about Muslim people.
Well, it's less suspicious now, I guess, than it was in the 1960s and the 1950s, probably before that was even more fuckery going on.
But it seems like it's more and more difficult to pull off the really obvious Operation Northwoods type shit.
The transparency that we're enjoying today, even though there's still a lot of questions like what Jeb Bush or what Rand Paul Like, we really have no idea who's running the whole thing at the very top.
It seems like that's gonna be exposed to eventually.
It's all gonna get chipped away because information just travels way quicker now than it ever did before, and it's just too hard to hide shit, you know?
It's like, that force is on their side, too, though.
Like, we have that force of, like, information can spread, but they also have the predator drones.
Like, there was no way a president...
In the 50s or whatever, could have just had the option to say, bomb Yemen, Syria, Libya, and Pakistan, and all these different countries without sending troops there or having bases nearby.
So, you know, we have advantages, they have advantages.
Yeah, but what I was going to get at is that what's interesting is what we're seeing now from the NSA gathering data on everybody, saying we need it to keep everybody safe, it almost mirrors what J. Edgar Hoover was doing.
Because J. Edgar Hoover had all that dirt on him, and so to hide it, he just went after everybody else, keep everybody quiet, keep everybody scared.
I mean, you could make that same comparison to this strategy the NSA has employed with.
We'll just fucking monitor everything.
And then if I say, oh, this Dave guy's been talking a lot of shit.
Yeah, I've always wondered if one day they'll be able to create a computer that's so powerful that it will be able to somehow through some unseen technology take account of everything that's in place as it is right now in the world then monitor for a certain amount of time and then go backwards and And try to figure out, well, all these things got into place because of these events and these motions and be able to recreate it digitally.
It sounds ridiculous right now, but if we can get to a place where they can literally do an account of everything that's happened, every pebble that's on this earth, And go, you know what?
We can extrapolate.
We can take all this data, follow it for a short amount of time, and then within a 99% accuracy, go back in time and recreate events.
That sounds so stupid and ridiculous, but that might be like almost a method of a virtual time travel, like just super calculation.
Just take into account all the things that we do know, all the pieces that are in place right now, everything that's there, all the people that are there, and then figure out how they got there.
If humans can manage to not, like, destroy ourselves or we don't have some asteroid reset or something like that, we're gonna do magical shit like that, I'm sure.
I mean, we're already doing magic compared to what we could do a hundred years ago, so, I mean, we're gonna...
The thing is, you can never predict what it would be.
Well, Sam Harris was talking about it, and it was...
Freaking me out.
Because he was talking about the power that computers are going to have once artificial intelligence becomes sentient.
The power that they're going to have to improve upon themselves.
And how quickly that's going to take place.
Where thousands of years of progress is going to take place in a week.
And you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, what?
And then it's just from there, each time they improve, it improves exponentially.
Thousands more years, maybe in an hour.
Thousands more years in a couple of seconds.
It's just going to get to some insane place where you're saying, they're reasonably certain that one day we'll have a machine.
It's like an atom machine that you could shoot out into the universe and given an amount of time extracting all the building materials and needs from the sky, it'll make a planet.
It'll make a planet and inhabit that planet with intelligent life.
Well, smaller than the head of a pin, and for whatever reason, instantaneously explodes to create all the mass, both seen and unseen, that's in the galaxy, including dark matter.
You get to a conversation with this point where we show we almost should just come back to just being religious like let's just follow the fucking book Like Mormonism where it's so dumb that it's kind of comforting that you might be beating everyone Yeah, that all these other people like join in on this dumb shit and y'all agree and you call each other elders and you're only 12 There's something about just belief though like like belief might be beating Skepticism.
I mean, I know they do these things where they measure how your brain acts when those people are like speaking in tongues and stuff and you go to some weird place and just convincing yourself to be certain of what this existence is.
Might just put you on a whole different level.
It's like, oh, it doesn't even matter what you're believing and you're just as long as you're believing, right?
Well, it exists in a really practical form in fighting and though you're you're a big MMA fan It exists in a really practical form in fighting because you know when I When I was coaching young people back during the taekwondo competing days I coached a lot of young people and I brought a lot of people to tournaments and stuff like that a lot of students and one of the things that I found was that smarter people had a harder time with competing Like a lot of the really smart people that I talked to,
and then I would try to talk to them about it, and what I realized is they're more aware of the variables.
They're more aware of what could go wrong, and that would create anxiety, and it was very difficult to get people to just like, okay, you have to stay on the path of what you're trying to do.
You can't look off to the side of the road, the fact that this cliff goes a thousand feet down to the bottom of the canyon.
You can't look at that.
You've got to look on the road, just the road.
And for a lot of smart people, they're like, fuck, what if I get hit?
What happens if you get hit?
Like, oh, well, you're fucked if you get kicked in the face.
Yeah.
Don't get kicked in the face.
Keep your hands up.
You got to move.
And dumb people were, like, convinced that they were going to be fine.
And I was always fascinated by that.
I was like, this is weird.
Because what's interesting is when the dumb people lost, it was way more difficult for them to rebound.
Whereas the smart people lost and they go, all right, well, I saw that coming.
Now I have to decide whether or not I still want to compete.
Well, what's interesting is these themes play themselves out over and over again, and the traps are all there, but everybody keeps going for the candy, and they keep getting caught in the traps.
The traps of Hollywood are always there for any superstar athlete, especially fighters.
And, you know, we've seen it all throughout history with Tommy Morrison gets in the Rocky movie.
And all of a sudden, everybody's looking at him like, Tommy Morrison's going to be the White Hope.
And then Ray Mercer beats the living fuck out of him.
And you just saw, like, fear and overwhelming anxiety attack him because he's in this movie and he's on the red carpet.
And everybody's saying, you're going to be the champ one day, huh?
It's like being a blue belt and you choke out a bunch of white belts and you think you're the shit and then all of a sudden you're rolling with Damian Maia and he wraps you up like a Christmas present and beats the fuck out of you and chokes you unconscious.
Easy.
You know, I mean, there's levels of everything and to deny those levels because anybody who looked at her fights would see like, okay, you have this Ronda Rousey, this fierce competitor, which is one of the best judo examples of judo we've ever seen in MMA. I I mean, her judo is spectacular.
The reason why she was a medalist in the Olympics.
I mean, she's a sensational competitor.
Her grappling is outstanding.
Her armbar technique is amongst the best in the world.
But she's knocking out these girls.
They're nowhere near world class as far as kickboxing and striking is concerned.
Holly Holm is 100% world class.
She is an 18-time world boxing champion.
I mean, she's a kickboxing champion.
She was an MMA competitor for a couple of years before she got into the UFC, where she was having these ridiculous head kick KOs.
She's a beast.
And for her to think that she's going to treat...
This woman, this Holly Holm woman, the same way she was able to bully, like, Betch Koheya.
And I say bully, not in a negative way.
I mean, just attack her and go after her.
Betch Koheya, she's slow and awkward and not that athletic.
Holly Holm bounces around that cage like a fucking kangaroo.
She does all these back flips and shit.
She's spectacularly athletic.
And the idea that you're gonna have the same approach that you used on Betch Gohea with someone like Holly Holm, that's just madness.
And that's something that happens when people get so absorbed with this idea that they're special.
So absorbed with this idea that, you know, when you're on top, you think you are the fucking person.
You're the woman, you're the man, you're the shit.
It's an amazing thing about MMA. It's why I have so much respect for everybody who competes, but it's like no one...
Can escape this game's wrath?
No, I mean like John Jones still has a lot of his career to go and he does he has one loss in his record But it's not dominant, you know win But you know you see these guys like you see Anderson Silva and he's just like he's a ninja He's untouchable.
He's the greatest fighter ever and then you see him like crying on the ground with a shattered not shattered But whatever when he broke his uh his shin Well, how about when he cried on the ground after he won against Nick Diaz?
And Louis J. Gomez is just one of the funniest people I've ever met in my life.
He's a great comedian.
He's like bigger than a stand-up comedian.
He's like the Bert Kreischer of the East Coast.
He's just a hilarious person.
So he's doing a show with Michael Bisbing.
They do a show called The Countdown on Sirius Radio.
And he started doing the show.
I mean, this is before Bisping has the Anderson Silva fight.
And it did almost seem kind of like Bisping was a great fighter, a big name, but seemed like he was kind of, you know, going toward the end of his career.
And all those guys, you know, it's funny when you get it, like Michael Bisping was a guy who the knock on him, I guess, was that he didn't have knockout power or whatever.
But you're talking about, like, a 200, I mean, fighting at 205, a guy who cuts down probably, I'm sorry, 185. So probably someone who weighs close to 200 pounds.
Like he fights like a technician and when you fight like a technician you don't swing wild crazy ass punches with everything on them with your You know van der Lea Silva style, you know, you try to find openings and that's what he did He found the opening with that left hook was really sneaky He had missed it before.
He was like stepping in and throwing the left hook over the shoulder and kind of like stepping into the punch.
And boy, when he caught Luke, he caught him at the end of the chin, which really like fucking spins your head, all the torque.
It was perfectly placed.
And then he caught him with another brilliant one right afterwards.
He's not fluid like Jon Jones or like Anderson is very fluid in his movements.
Dan is like very stiff, but when he uncorks those bombs on you, they just detonate.
And you're just like, what the fuck hit me?
Like, Hector Lombard's never been knocked out.
To see Hector Lombard get knocked out by, well, he got head kicked, he's probably stunned by that head kick, and then he got blasted with that back elbow.
And he was out cold.
He was out cold when he hit the ground.
And then Henderson blasts him again.
But, like, whoa!
I saw it, I was like, who the fuck hits like this guy?
It's like, it's almost like you want him to hit you, just so you can feel it.
His KO of Bisping at UFC 100 was one of the most brutal one-punch shots in the history of combat sports.
It was just BOOM! Bisping's dead stiff and then Henderson's airborne long before the referee can get to him and just slams him in the face on the way down and then from there out One of his logos was the silhouette of him flying through the air, knocking out Bisping.
So imagine being Bisping.
Not only do you have to deal with the fact this guy fucking knocked you out in spectacular fashion, but his logo is him flying through the air, hitting you after you're already unconscious.
Fucking killer in the 135 pound division and one of the top contenders now instantly yeah with one standout performance You know and there's just gonna be more divisions like you were kind of talking about that when we were at the store the other night like you want to see more divisions Yeah, and I mean there'll be more divisions more fighters.
I think right I hope so I hope so, but there hasn't been enough progress in that.
I really think that there should be a weight class every 10 pounds.
I really do.
I think there's a lot of opportunities for not just more champions, which I think is better for the sport, but guys to be able to fight in their actual weight class and be competitive.
There's some gaps like 85 to 205. Man, that's a big gap.
That is a giant gap, a 20-pound gap.
And most guys, they're probably going to be in the middle.
So if you had an 85, a 95, and a 205, that's where it should be.
I think that's how boxing does.
And also, I think it gives you much more opportunity for guys to fight champion versus champion and to move up or move down fairly easily.
I think an 85 could move down to 75 way easier than an 85 could go up to 20. Sure.
And they could go back and forth and you could have some like really awesome title unification bouts or, you know, champion versus champion bouts.
Another point could be to outlaw weight cutting entirely.
And to check people all throughout camp and to make matchups based on size.
Look at two guys.
You say, what do you walk around at?
What do you walk around at?
You guys will be fighting at that weight or whatever the weight is when you're in best shape.
If you get down to 175 when you're in your best shape.
Tell us what that number is.
Tell us what that number is.
We'll match you up accordingly.
And we're going to test people's hydration levels all throughout camp.
We're going to show up just like USADA does and test you for drugs.
We're going to make you get on a scale.
I'm going to test your hydration levels.
And when you're at a reasonably hydrated level where it's healthy, that's your weight.
That's what you weigh now.
So if you want to lose weight, you better lose weight by, you better do some extra running and you better drop some body fat, but you're not going to be dehydrated.
Yeah, I mean, seeing as how we can figure all that stuff out, it just seems like there'd be an easier answer.
Now, of course, obviously, there's the commissions in the way which I don't believe in any government regulation, so I don't think they should be there.
So I read this article, this ESPN writer wrote it, and I was like, wait a minute, man.
Come on, you can't say that.
Why are you saying that?
That's silly hyperbole.
It doesn't even make any sense.
And Misha was threatening.
In the third and fourth after that, Holly was on her bike.
She was like, fuck this!
She was fighting perfect and super cautious with no chances and barely winning those rounds.
You know, just winning them but barely winning.
Nothing big happened and definitely no threat.
So that victory, when Misha Tate choked out Holly and Holly's punching in the air, how fucking dramatic is that?
Going out cold, punching in the air while she's going out, and then Nate beating up Connor in that second round after he gets fucked up in the first round, beating him up in the second round, and then choking him.
Insane.
Probably two of the most exciting finishes to any fight ever.
And there's no one worse than Nate or Nick Diaz to get hurt by in a fight because once they hurt you they just like they push a pace and then when you get hurt they like pick it up and pick it up and then all of a sudden I mean before you know it Connor's hit like 25 fucking times on the feet and he's shooting for a takedown.
Not so much that he wants to, but it just seems weird that they were like, even when Dana White was talking about it, and he was like, look, man, we tried to convince him to go down to 145, and he was like, Nate's the only, I was like, wait, he's the matchmaker now?
Okay, because if you want to make money, you make the biggest fight you can right now while he's been exposed.
And the biggest fight for sure is, and when I say exposed, I don't mean he's not talented.
I mean exposed meaning he's a human and he can lose.
And that happens with every fighter.
They lose.
And once they lose, people go, oh, you can be beat.
You know, we saw it with Anderson Silva.
You saw it with Mike Tyson.
After Mike Tyson fought Buster Douglas, it was a different world.
Everybody was like, oh, he's human.
So I say exposed, not in a disrespectful way.
He got exposed.
He lost.
He got choked out.
He got beaten up on the ground.
And then he got choked out.
Quick.
So, this is not an invulnerable, perfect fighter who's unbelievably durable, who can take punishment like no man.
There's a lot of those guys in the UFC. There's champions like that in the UFC. Like Robbie Lawler.
Unbelievably durable.
You can't put him away.
It's fucking hard to put that guy away.
We're not talking about that.
We're talking about a guy who got dinged up, shot for a shitty, wide-open takedown, got taken down, got demolished on the ground, and got choked unconscious.
Quickly afterwards.
So, alright, what do you do?
Could that happen with Dos Anjos?
Fuck yeah, it could.
Dos Anjos could do that too.
It's possible.
I mean, Conor might knock him out.
You never know.
Conor does have that punch.
But, you gotta put him in against Nate again, because that's the big money rematch.
And if this guy turns out to be a guy who's gonna win some, and lose some, and the beginning of his career, this unbeatable, wild, Celtic warrior character, that's all gone.
Some people have argued with me saying, like, no, he can make the weight, because he was, what was he, 169 against Nate, so they're saying he basically, that's what he starts at, and he can just cut down from there.
That's a lot.
But look what he looked like at the weigh-in, so maybe he can.
But that's part of his thing is that he has to like look at things in the most positive light possible and man, I don't know.
I think stylistically it's a troublesome fight for him because Nate is a very clever boxer and his ground game is a world away from where Connor is right now.
And I've seen Nate roll with guys.
He's a fucking legit, very high-level Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt under a very respected camp.
And with Gilbert, and him and Gilbert went back and forth.
You know, Josh Thompson's a world-class fighter, so when Josh Thompson head-kicked him, you know, it's like, Josh could do that to anybody in that division.
If he catches you, you know, you're fucked.
He's older now, and he's just...
I think he's a guy that, like I said, the stars didn't perfectly align for him.
But skill-wise and technique-wise, he's a fucking world-class fighter.
So when he knocked out Nate Diaz, it's not necessarily an indication that Nate Diaz is done.
That's how good Josh Thompson is.
And at the time, and then so Nate rebounds from that, and I think people, you look at like the losses, like the Dos Anjos fight, and you look at that, the Josh Thompson fight, and you go, hmm, how good is he?
You know, I could beat that guy.
But then you look at the Michael Johnson fight, and you go, ooh, that guy's fucking dangerous.
Jim Miller, Cerrone, and a lot of these fights where he was just unbelievable.
And I think...
It's one of those things where styles make fights and you know kind of really got in people's heads by talking shit and I felt like going in I was like I don't think you're gonna get in Nate's head by talking shit He's not that guy.
My crew will fuck up your whole crew That's the most gangster thing you could say by the way That's the most gangster thing because he's literally just going we'll fucking jump you dude We're not like we're not playing around here Yeah, and all those guys even the guys who seem like kind of nice guys in his team like Jake Shields You feel like he'll fucking jump you like those guys are vegetarian and he'll kick your ass What?
It says, reported that wrestler Brock Lesnar talks to return to UFC 200, preempting a UFC announcement.
Officials issued a life ban against him.
The organization reversed the decision Monday.
Hmm.
That's kind of cool, because that means that public support made them lift that, but it also must mean that they worked out whatever the fuck it was.
See, this is what they were saying.
This is what I'm hearing, okay?
I haven't talked to Ariel, but let me just give you the UFC perspective.
The UFC perspective was that there was a mole.
They believe that someone was giving Ariel information, and that information he was using to scoop the UFC's official promotions.
So the UFC, which is a private company, you know, they don't have to let people in to your business, your private company, to come and report.
And so they felt like he was somehow or another getting a hold of this inside information, releasing it, and making them look bad.
I get the UFC's perspective that they would want to know who the fuck is leaking this secret information and that they don't want this guy taking that information and then putting it live.
Now, from what I understand, the conversation with him was...
Don't do this, because if you do this, there's only a handful of people that know this information.
So, we're gonna fire everybody, or we're gonna fire a bunch of people, and you're gonna ruin people's lives.
This is what I was told was a conversation they had with him.
After that conversation, he leaked the Brock Lesnar stuff.
So I don't know if that's true.
I would have to talk to Ariel.
You'd have to get his opinion.
You'd have to get the UFC's opinion.
You'd have to get the two of them together to debate whether or not which story was true.
But this is the side that you're not hearing.
So all you're hearing is the UFC banned him for life and everybody was upset.
So I like Ariel.
I think Ariel's a very good reporter.
I think he's a very bright guy.
I'm good friends with his uncle.
Gadsad, who's an awesome, just a brilliant, brilliant professor in Montreal.
I love that guy.
So, I like Ariel.
And the whole thing was bumming me out.
I was looking at my Twitter feed.
I was like, ah, fucking.
But there's certain things like this, you gotta kind of let the dust settle.
It's right out that door and to the right-hand side.
All you're doing, if you're scooping it, is you're shining the attention on yourself.
What I like Ariel for is not him shining the attention on himself.
What I like Ariel for is I think he's a very bright guy, and I think he's very insightful when it comes to fights and strategies and things along those lines.
I don't think it's important that he break the news before the UFC does.
And I think if the UFC doesn't want him to do that because this is private information and a private company and they're trying to control the press release, I don't buy that that's necessarily under the guise of journalism.
I think it's like there's some...
There's some fuckery with that.
Because we're not talking about like, oh, he found out about some horrible thing that happened that someone's covering up, or he found out about corruption in government, or he found out about a person who got shot by the police.
This is not like that kind of news.
They're going to release it.
You're just trying to do it before they do it.
And you're finding it, if it's true, that there's a mole, you're finding it out through some sort of a sneaky method that these people all sign non-disclosure agreements and they're all not supposed to release that information because the UFC wanted to make that big, cool announcement.
Now when that big cool announcement happened at UFC 199, I was working all day, I was doing commentary all day, so I didn't go online, and I wasn't reading any of the MMA sites, so I didn't know that Ariel had already scooped it.
So when I saw that promo, and I saw Brock Lesnar, CAN YOU SEE ME NOW?! I was like, what does that mean?
Was this real?
Like, that was a real reaction by me.
I had no fucking idea whatsoever that Brock Lesnar was gonna be at UFC 200. No, I didn't either.
Give everybody the information the moment it happens.
I don't give a fuck.
I don't like announcements.
All of that, I don't...
But, that said, I completely understand the UFC's opinion, or the UFC's position, where they have this company, and, you know, people go, oh, you're a company man, you're fucking sticking up for the company.
No, just think of this for a second.
You have a promotional...
Campaign that you've created you spent more than a million dollars promoting this UFC 200 commercial They have this whole thing and then they tag brog lester in the end and they think oh my god This is the fucking cherry on top of the sundae This is gonna be it and then someone jumps the gun and you find out that it's someone inside your company Allegedly that's leaking information this reporter and he's getting this information out and all he's doing is essentially Scooping it and putting the onus and putting the light on himself No,
Well, again, maybe that information that I got from the UFC is also incorrect, and maybe that's why his ban has been lifted.
But look...
No one wants a guy like Ariel Helwani to not have a gig, and I think him getting banned, honestly, if you're an Ariel Helwani fan, you should be jumping up and down for two reasons.
One, you should be happy that he got banned, because then it makes him like a martyr, and then happy that he got reinstated, because now he's a hero.
So I'm an Ariel Helwani fan, so I'm happy.
I'm obviously a UFC fan, so I'm happy.
I'm glad they worked it out and everybody talked, and it's groovy.
Everybody that's freaking out that he's only doing his job, that's not necessarily true, folks.
It's a little bit more complicated than that, because it's not like that information wasn't already coming out.
And if you have information that you know is going to come out, write a fucking story about what that information means.
Because that's what I want out of Ariel Helwani.
I think Ariel Helwani is a really smart guy, and he's really insightful, and he's a true MMA fan.
And he's a guy that is going to give you some really good insight and some very...
Well-articulated thoughts that I enjoy so I'm happy.
I'm happy.
He's back.
I'm happy But that is the perspective that when I found out about it I had to ask I called and I had this conversation with people that I deeply trust and this was the version that I was handed so now everybody knows and it's all groovy so the Conspiracy theories can say he's working with the UFC. Yeah, I'm a puppet But I mean look Obviously, I love the UFC and obviously Dana White is a very good friend of mine So you're not gonna hear me criticize them.
I mean even if I disagree with them You're like he's my friend, so it makes sense.
That's how human interactions work He's like a friend and by the way, and he's created an amazing company He's the reason why this sport is out there and you guys have worked together for so even if you had a falling out and you were like I don't want to work there anymore Why would you go publicly you would never hear that from me?
Well, he doesn't do a 360. He does a 180. He's only done one 360 and that's a UFC 200. Which, ladies and gentlemen, begs the question, should we convince Bruce Buffer to do something else?
I'm sure he remembers, but here we could watch the 360. By the way, this 360 is 100% my idea.
I talked him into it.
There's even a video of me talking him into the 360. And I'm like, because he always did the 180. And he did the 180 because he accidentally was pointing towards the wrong side once, and he realized that.
Bring it to the beginning and then crank it up real loud so we can hear it.
Bring it from the beginning.
Put it in the beginning.
Bring it in the beginning.
There you go.
My main goal this weekend, besides having fun and getting to see some awesome fights, is talking Bruce Buffer into the Buffer 360. The Buffer 360 will be happening!
You know, he was a good boxer in the early days of MMA. You know, if you go back and watch his, like, Kimbo Slice KO and Elite XC. Just Elite XC fucked up and trying to put all their eggs in one basket and have this guy who was this internet sensation be their figurehead.
I mean, it made sense, like, financially, but people in the know...
Like me, I was like, listen, if he fights someone good, he's going to get fucked up.
And it was frustrating as a hardcore fan because it was still at a point, like, the UFC is much, much bigger now.
I remember when they got that fight on CBS, like, MMA had never been on a big network like that before.
So it was very frustrating that the biggest network was putting it out as if this guy was the best guy in MMA. And, you know, us, like, hardcore fans, like, me and my friends would be around bitching, like, Randy Couture, We'd take him down in a second.
Well, people forget that Elite XC sort of had the scoop on the UFC. They had the scoop on getting on broadcast television and they had millions of people watching those fights.
A big problem with other organizations, it made them almost unwatchable because the announcing would just be so terrible.
I mean like nowadays I feel like there was a while where I thought you and Goldberg were like the only team who can do MMA without me just wanting to mute it.
But I actually like now they've got the alternate teams have gotten fairly strong like Bryan Stan's really good.
And by the way, there are a lot of people that can do my job.
Other than Jimmy Smith, who's really good, who works for Bellator, Jimmy Smith's excellent.
He's as good as me, easy.
He's as good as anybody.
He's fantastic.
He knows his shit.
He's a real fan.
He's a smart guy.
He's easy to listen to.
He calls things right.
I'm a big Jimmy Smith fan.
But other than him, outside of the UFC, who do you got?
Outside the UFC there's not not really much unless there's some unknown guys I don't know of which is definitely possible, but there's in the UFC There's several guys now, you know, you got Kenny Florian you got Brian stand you got Dan Hardy There's plenty of people can do it now, but they work for the UFC So someone like HBO wanted to have their own team.
Yeah, you can't just get sports guys You just can't do that because they're not gonna understand what the fuck's going on when the fight goes to the ground and they're gonna miss things and it's gonna be sloppy and You can't have that.
You have to have someone who understands, and you have to have someone who can talk.
Yeah, but you can't just leave it up to the companies.
You can the athletes that suffer.
If there's no medical coverage right there, you can't have an event, like an MMA event, where you're putting literally your health and your life in the hands of these people that are supposed to have all their ducks in a row so they can run this event.
And whether or not you even get paid is in question.
See, because these guys don't have any power, the fighters.
They don't have enough influence, especially on a small, local level, small shows.
So I'm a big fan of how California does it.
Like I said, I'm a big fan of that Andy Foster guy.
I think he's as good as it gets when it comes to heads of athletic commissions.
But I think that you have to have a bond where you have the money to pay the fighters before you can put on an event.
That should be mandatory.
Have you ever done shows where you haven't gotten paid?
I was opening for him, but believe me, it probably hurt me more, the money.
I mean, we both needed our money, but at the moment I was like, fucking broke.
But I will say, then you also deal with a lot of other shit when you get these government regulatory bodies, like with the Vegas, was it the Vegas Commission that handed Nick Diaz?
Which, I mean, has there ever, if you, the guy moved up A weight class and fought the greatest of all time at that weight class who tested positive for steroids.
And they found out he had trace amounts of THC in his system.
He passed two WADA tests, two World Anti-Doping Agency tests.
There were blood tests.
They're much more particular.
And then he failed a urine test that the Nevada State Athletic Commission...
He says it's bullshit.
And the WADA people say it's bullshit.
The WADA people are like, look, there's no...
And then they wouldn't test sample B. There was some issues with testing of sample B or allowing the tests of sample B. And they tried to ban them for five years.
I gave out the Nevada State Athletic Commission's phone number.
I put it out on Twitter and everybody called them.
The amount of incompetence that you have to have to think that you're going to take away a guy's athletic career for trace amounts of marijuana in his system and not examine the two water tests that showed that he was clean.
And this guy, this guy who, you know, Nick Diaz was like came from nothing and like made a career of himself, like doing something positive with his life.
And also, cops, just like everything else we're talking about in government, they're people, and they vary.
And there's going to be people that are awesome cops.
I personally think that it's one of the most difficult jobs a person can do.
And psychologically, the idea of going to work every day where all the people you deal with are going to be lying to you and up to something and hate you.
Did you follow at all what happened, I guess, a year and a half ago now in New York, where the NYPD had essentially a quasi-shutdown?
Yes.
And I think what you're saying is absolutely true.
I think it's an incredibly difficult job, and a lot of that is because of the rules we have, which are kind of crazy.
I mean, the idea of having to police Drug use is a very difficult position to put someone in because, I mean, obviously, first and foremost, it's a horrible thing to do to throw someone in a cage for putting something into their body.
But it's a very weird thing when there's no complainant.
It's two people who are making a voluntary transaction, and now you've got to go and SWAT raid and find them.
This guy's giving a bag of something to another person.
Go get them.
So for people who don't know, after that Eric Gardner guy got choked out, And choked to death.
So there were a bunch of protests, and then two cops got shot in Brooklyn by some maniac.
I think he was from Baltimore.
And he drove up.
He tweeted he was going to do it.
And then drove up and shot two cops who never saw it coming.
Poor guys got killed on the job.
And then, as a result of that, they had an official, unofficial, what they called an NYPD slowdown.
It was a spokesman for the police union.
He said, and I believe it was the New York Post, he said, as a result of this shooting, the cops will only be making arrests when absolutely necessary.
Well, that's what he said, which was a weird like shouldn't they always be doing that?
But anyway, so they but arrests went down like 80% Or at least it was maybe like 60% and then it was like nonviolent tickets and bullshit arrests were down like 90% like they were just basically not doing that anymore and there was this beautiful like month and a half long period of Where the NYPD just wasn't doing what they do.
They weren't over-policing everybody.
And then they started cracking the whip to get them to go back to do it.
Because evidently a lot of money is raised by these, you know...
There's a lot of revenue that gets gathered up in kind of fucking devious ways.
Like, I've always been disgusted by parking tickets.
Like, why...
The city owns this fucking spot where you can leave a car, and you have to give them money to leave a car, and that's how they gather up millions of dollars, and they become addicted to that gathering of the millions of dollars?
Lower-class jobs and have families to pay for and you're just gonna go hand them a fucking $100 ticket because your meter expired by two minutes He didn't give us enough money and it's like changing his laundry or something and you know let it go for a few minutes Yeah, I mean, I get the idea that you shouldn't have cars that are blocking the street.
You should definitely give people tickets if they're doing something that obstructs it or tow them.
But to just leave a car on the street, you have to pay money?
I mean, look, I have a problem with the way government raises almost all revenue.
I mean, I just...
I reject the whole system of, like...
taxation at the threat of violence.
I think it's like primitive and barbaric.
And when human beings look back on that, it's going to be the way we look back at like slavery or arranged marriage or whatever it is that the idea that the way we fund our organization, you know, like, like, let's say there are these services that are necessary.
So the way we fund that is we go, you have to pay a portion of your income or we'll fucking throw you in jail.
Whereas I like, you know, when he's asked about the wars, he'll say things like, he goes, I think if you look on average, these military interventions have hurt more than they have helped.
He's just like, this makes more sense, which is fine, but I don't really want to sell libertarianism as like, I think we're fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
See, I believe in a little bit more like a case for radicalism.
I think that, um, so...
Ron Paul, when he was in the 2007-2008 debates, he got a whole lot of people interested in libertarianism.
And he didn't do it by being like a bridge to like, before I tell you, you know, slavery is horribly immoral, let me first convince you it's inefficient and ineffective.
And then he went right to like, this is wrong.
This is wrong.
We're killing people in countries around the world.
Like, this is morally horrible.
And he got a movement going when he was in those debates.
You know, Gary Johnson was in one of the major debates in 2012. Do you remember anything from his performance?
I mean, I think it's philosophically sound, and it's basically just...
To me, it's a humble understanding of what existence is, that we don't really know what this is.
Man's kind of born into the world naked, and we're here with nature, and we're all trying to figure it out, and that, morally speaking, we should all own our own lives, and therefore own your own body, and basically it all centers around property rights and the non-aggression principle, which is just the idea that you should never initiate violence against a non-violent person.
Well, those are all really standard points in libertarianism that get brought up all the time.
But why is it that libertarianism, even though it's so attractive to young, intelligent guys like you, why is it that that has never caught hold in a mainstream way as an alternative third party?
Because it really...
You've had people like...
That run as independents, that get a little bit of momentum, but it's always, people always look at it like, well, that's never going to work out.
Well, I think there's a game, and there's, you know, it's...
The government is a power center, and it's in their interest to continue having power.
And I think usually most people are much more, if they get close to that power, they're much more incentivized to try to expand it and try to keep it than to at any point say, guys, you know, it'd be a lot more moral if we didn't have this.
And, you know, I mean, it's like, why did slavery persist for so long?
Because, you know, it's a good way to get cotton without having to work.
It seems like it's a reoccurring theme that comes up over and over again when people talk about the problems that we have with running society the way we're currently doing it, is that this two-party system is just so preposterous.
It's so ridiculous to say that you have these two groups, and they're both funded by the same people, competing against each other allegedly, but yet nothing changes.
And that this is the system, and this is the only way to do it.
Like, well, how come you can't have, like, a hundred different systems and ideas?
And how is it that, you know, you have these things where, so the Republicans hate Obama, Obama hates the Republicans, they both think the other one's the reason why the country's falling apart.
But then when, like, you know, something like the NDAA bill, where he says he can arrest American citizens with no charges and hold them indefinitely, we all just get together and sign that.
Oh, that's fine.
And the media, that's not even like that big of a deal.
They just passed a law that said they can arrest you.
The whole idea that you have rights, we just overthrew that in one bill.
Obama actually, he put in a signing statement when he signed it into law.
He said, and I guess this was to appease the liberal activists who maybe would be a little upset with him, but he said, my administration has no plans.
It's just frustrating for, I think, everybody that nothing changes and that this two-party system was in place when we were kids, it's in place now, and it's quite possibly it'll be in place 50 years from now when we're dead.
I do think something is changing in this election cycle, and I don't know that it's purely a positive force, but there's definitely something going on.
I mean, if you look at what's going on with Trump, and I'm no fan, but it is a moment.
Trump is having a real moment, and he is kind of tearing down this matrix.
And Bernie also had an interesting moment.
It's very interesting that they always, the powers that be kind of decide who these people are going to be, and it does seem like this year people are really rejecting that on a very grassroots level, like, no, we don't buy this bullshit.
Not only that, you would never get to that position.
Because you would be compromised every step of the way.
And then you would become what they are.
I mean, it's a really rigged game.
And it's rigged through lobbyists and special interest groups and money and campaign funds.
By the time you get to that position, unless you're Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, and that's what makes it interesting, is they're the only two people that represents two completely new paradigms.
You have Bernie, who is this weird socialist type character, democratic socialist character, and then you have Trump, who's like the ultimate capitalist.
And both people represent entirely new groups because Donald Trump is essentially at least partially self-funded.
And, you know, now he's trying to get money, and there's...
Well, he's already the nominee, though.
I mean, he's cemented.
So it's an interesting position where he's gonna get some support.
I don't look at, while their personalities are very different, I don't know if anything about their policies are actually diametrically opposed.
I think they're both kind of populists in a lot of ways.
Bernie Sanders has more of an ideology, like this is my philosophy on what government should do, and Trump's just kind of like, well, let's let it rip.
But they're both kind of like, let me tell you what you want to hear to the crowd.
And, you know, he talks about that in The Art of the Deal.
I mean, his whole style of campaigning is all mapped out in his books, where he talks about this larger-than-life persona that he's created in order to make himself a public figure, in order to make himself more wealthy, more popular, and more able to get things done.
I mean, this is like a strategy.
This whole thing that he's doing, like, and I called him, we're gonna make that wall 10 feet higher!
That's another one of my issues with Gary Johnson, is that I just feel like, man, if the LP wants to do something, if the Libertarian, you know, if they want to have a moment here, and you're telling me the hope is if we can get to 15% in the polls, then we get into a debate.
And I have to overlook the fact that this guy was already in a debate that nobody remembers because he didn't do anything.
It might actually be smart for them to allow him in, to expose...
I mean, I think both sides would probably think that he would expose something that the other side has, and both sides would probably be under the impression there's an opportunity to capitalize on it.
It used to be like the League of Women Voters or whatever used to run it, and now just the Democrats and Republicans, they were like, let's never let that happen again.
Yeah, you don't want some crazy old Texas billionaire on television in the 1980s or whatever the fuck it was.
It's one of those things to me where I don't see how it's going to change.
I look at it and I go, boy, they can just keep running this fucking game for another four years and another four years and it'll keep going and then we'll be like 70 going, what the fuck, man?
Well, he embodies the cultural decay in that one sense.
And on the other sense, you've got the cultural decay by social justice warriors and people super oversensitive, who Ralph Nader is rallying against now.
I pulled this up on Twitter today.
Ralph Nader was saying that men today are oversensitive because they never had to deal with the draft.
He's like, you guys are complaining about nothing.
And it's not as if I just hate people and I don't care if you're triggered and deal with your past.
I think we have a big epidemic of soldiers coming back suffering from PTSD. I'd like to not send them to wars so we don't have to deal with this.
But the idea that we should...
We should change, we should like nerf foam the world in case you're triggered.
So a college now can't explore anything they want to because what if someone had something violent in their past happen?
And then it seems to be a very convenient thing where you know like the feminists or the social justice warriors are like policing rape jokes in the comedy community but they don't ever seem to be policing like a war joke or you know it's like they don't seem to care about men being triggered and Like you were saying, it's mostly just infantile bullshit.
It's just these privileged kids on college campuses who want to shut down a conservative speaker from talking.
It's like they're so frothy at the mouth and so taken away with the idea that they're doing some incredible right and this has to be done and this justice must prevail and transgender people should be able to use the women's room without...
You know, any questioning whatsoever about where they stand.
There's some weirdness going on today that is like what we were talking about when people are young, when you can send them to war, and when you send these young people to war that they don't really have enough data yet.
Well, there's a lot of that going on where there's a social war, and these people don't have a lot of data either, and they're just furious and foaming at the mouth, and when it all is said and done, the dust settles.
When they're older, they're probably not even going to be on that team anymore.
You know, you're probably gonna wise up and realize how fucking goofy those people you're hanging around with are who are getting mad at white people for wearing dreadlocks.
Well, when you were comparing the kind of cultural decay from the Trump supporters and the social justice warriors, I do see a lot of it just rooted in, like, anti-intellectualism.
I mean, there's just, like, no...
It doesn't matter.
You don't need to know anything.
I mean, they will shut down a Christina Hoff Summers speech.
And sometimes in those noise, there's some important points on both sides.
But, boy, there's a whole lot of noise, too.
And it's a lot of arguing, a lot of yelling gets done, and not a lot of progress gets made.
Just people dig in their heels, and they take a side, and they draw a line in the sand, and you've got the people on the right and the people on the left.
Like, the gender pronoun thing is so fucking bananas.
Like, you should know that if you're a dude and you look like a woman, okay, that people are gonna get that wrong on occasion.
Like, okay, what do you look like, okay?
Do you look like Catherine Zeta-Jones in a bikini?
Well, if you do, people are gonna say her.
And if they say her, that's not a bad thing.
Oh, you're assuming my gender?
You know, there's people out there that they think that you should name your dog gender-neutral names, because your dog can't decide.
Like, this is a real debate amongst feminists and social justice warriors who have animals, whether or not they should impose their stereotypes that they have on human beings on their dogs and cats.
Look, and it's just insanity, but I feel like there's something, like on these college campuses, that's almost like, that's housing that.
Like, they're letting them develop these ridiculous ideas, and I'll tell you, I think part of it, I really blame the college professors for a lot of this, because I think these are also people who have, a lot of them have lived in college their entire lives.
They're people who go to college and then just stay in college.
And they get post-graduate degrees and then they teach.
And they're kind of letting this happen.
And no one's going like, okay, shut up.
That's not a real issue.
Look, I'm all for, like, I'm a complete libertarian.
You should be able to, if you have a doctor who's willing to perform a surgery on you and you want to identify as her instead of him, I'll call you her because who cares?
I'm not going to call you Z. No, that's fucking ridiculous.
But you also can't, even if I'm willing to call you something, you can't make it a huge issue if not everybody is willing to call you that.
Like, you can get sued and fined for like a quarter million dollars if you don't call someone Z. See, and this is where it becomes like a real fucking problem, is it's like, okay, you know what, you guys can have your little fun and games and your safe space on college campus all you want to, but now you start bringing in the forceful arm of government to actually go fuck over a business owner who's trying to provide jobs and, you know, feed his kids.
And when we talked about it on the podcast with...
Professor, renegade history...
Thaddeus Russell.
Thaddeus Russell, who's brilliant, brilliant guy.
And we were talking about how incredible it is that they find a way to justify two people hooking up with text messages, with a girl saying, come on over, bring condoms.
They have sex, and the guy is the one who's a rapist because they were both drunk.
That's insane.
The guy got kicked out of school, and he's still in the middle of lawsuits.
Oh, it's insane, but it's also like a fascinating glimpse into how you see things, because it's weird how you...
It's almost like these guys come back to be the caricature of what the 1950s chauvinist was supposed to be, assuming that women are these fragile, delicate creatures who can't handle the same thing a man can.
Like, I remember there was a big thing on your show when Jamie Kilstein was on about the Tosh rape joke, but I always wonder when...
And I've argued with a few people like that who I do...
Now, by the way, I'm not throwing this out in the stupid way that it's thrown out when they go, more men are raped than women are raped.
That's not...
But why is it, seeing as that that is a fact, prison included, and stuff like that, why is it that every time you think of this scenario where someone's triggered from a rape joke, it's always a woman?
You're always like, what if there's a woman in the crowd who's been triggered?
It's never a concern that it could be a man who could be triggered.
What the fuck is it about America where we want to watch hospital shows and police shows?
That's all we want to watch.
We want to watch people that are in trouble, someone's trying to hide from the law, or someone that's worried that mom's not going to make it.
And they're holding her hand, and the doctor's working furiously, and a young, handsome doctor, he leaves after 16 hours, and he's sweaty, takes his hand, and then another guy comes in with a gunshot wound, and back to work.
Wow, so noble.
Cut to, you know, commercials for fucking Tide deodorant, and whatever.
Shampoo, and fucking Toyota trucks, and everybody goes to sleep.
Collectively, you have to look at us as what we are as a giant superorganism.
We look at ourselves inside of our culture and our belief systems and our actions and what gets done and the pollution of the environment.
Overall, what is the species doing when you're looking at it as an outsider?
If you were completely removed from culture, completely removed from tradition and communication, and you just looked at us as some weird organism, what is it trying to do?
Well, it's just making better stuff all the time.
That's all it's doing.
And all this other stuff that it does is just to distract it while it's making better stuff.
All these little chicken dances and peacock feathers and all the fucking weird noises it makes.
What are you signaling?
I have a mattress and I'm carrying it around until my rapist is brought to justice.
All that madness and all the arguing and all the craziness that's going on is just a distraction while it's making better and faster computers.
That's all it is.
It's creating an artificial life form and it's going to do it under this guise of Christianity and Islam and all these different things.
It's like, oh no, Islam's the way.
Oh no, Christians are the way.
Meanwhile, there's a robot.
A robot overlord that the Switch is about to get turned on.
We're essentially like a giant hive of worker ants with potential options Like you really can write Harry Potter and break away from the rest of the worker ants You really can have a kid that's a fucking math genius because you dropped him on his head when he was a baby You don't want to tell anybody why this kid's so fucking good at math There's a lot of that going on, man.
And those little fuckers grow up to be like some Elon Musk character that starts making electric cars and a hyperloop that gets you to San Francisco in three minutes.
There's some weird shit happening, and it's all happening, like, exponentially all around us all the time, adding up while we're worried about trigger warnings and whether or not trannies can use the fucking men's room or the women's room and, like...
First off, that accusation, it's not like it was a gray area, or like they had sex and she was a little drunk.
Like, nothing happened.
They didn't have sex.
This crazy person, who's in jail for murder now, made something up.
And it's interesting to watch it, and looking back, you know what happened.
You know she made it up.
And seeing the social justice warriors protest these guys, and the white knights, the dudes who are hanging out right next to the feminist chick going, These lacrosse guys are out of control and they should go to jail.
If she was a man doing the exact same thing about a woman doing something horrible, Oh, I bet you're right.
If there was a team of women that were alleged to have done something terrible and he was ranting and raving about these women being brought to justice and brought to jail and it turns out there was no crime being committed at all, you'd have to apologize.
Do you remember at the end of the documentary, this is the one who apologizes?
But she actually, she goes like, she's like, look, she apologized and she wrote a thing, like an apology to them.
Oh, no.
Then they cut back to the articles that she was writing at the time, and it's like this insane...
She's like, these boys all know what happened, and they know they're guilty, and they need to be punished for this, blah, blah.
And then she's, even in acknowledging it, she goes, well, you know, I do think the fact that I was sexually assaulted in college probably did come into play.
And look, even if you were, even if she was completely, you know, in, like, legitimately sexually assaulted, not in any of these bullshit gray areas, like it was an actual sexual assault, the idea that you would, you, like, you're covering a sexual assault case, okay?
And you were sexually assaulted before.
So right away, what an honest journalist would do would be recuse yourself.
You would go, I can't really do this because I'm too emotionally invested in something that happened in my life.
But now, to not do that, you're covering this, something that happened to you that you would have to be aware of.
I gotta make sure I don't let that creep into my professionalism.
But you're using that to try to, you know, to go after these guys.
And I think people who have like epilepsy and things like that, like that's the big fear that what happens is that you end up cracking your head on the ground.
It's not just the...
Seizures.
Seizures.
Yeah, there's...
There's something...
I don't know.
You know, Hillary Clinton said recently, and this would probably be one of the tactics she tries to use against Trump, but she said something along the way.
She goes, you know, I just...
I don't know if he's the type of guy we would want having control of the nuclear codes.
And it's just like an interesting thing to look at where you're like, how crazy is it that any one person has control of those nuclear codes?
Like, we're just counting on one person to not snap?
Unfortunately, that is the green light for the robot overlords to take over because we can't trust people.
Well, the robots are just going to be way more sober about this.
They're going to make rational decisions Based on logic and mathematics and possibilities and probabilities and the understanding of human race that we really can't comprehend because we're just monkeys.
The problem with that is those people that got it first will take over.
They'll be reading each other's minds, and flying, and breathing underwater, and you just want to have a chance to compete.
They're going to gather up all the money and the resources, they're going to have all the hookers, and then they don't even need hookers, because they can orgasm just by pressing their tempo.
But then it'll be hollow, because they're gonna get addicted to it, and there's not gonna be any consequences.
Like, one of the things about sexual conquest...
I think it's one of the same things with all sorts of uncertainty.
You never know how it's going to turn out.
And so there's risk involved, and it's scary.
And people get addicted to this risk.
And even the risk of rejection, I mean, it's not like really scary, like anything can go wrong, but there's a game going on.
Like, can I get these people to love me?
Like, how do I get these people to love me?
Oh, I gotta have the right chains on and the right car and show up at the right place and, you know, get the right spot where there's table service and, you know, I have to have a bunch of people that are famous around me so that I look like a pimp.
You know, and they're trying to, like, figure out a way to become special.
Well, if everybody just has to, you know, just download the fuck program, and all of a sudden you're in an orgy with a hundred thousand tens all lining up to blow you, like, where's the fun in that?
But that's why the human the human experience works in strange ways So maybe then that's what we'll be attracted to like, you know People will want to go back toward kind of the thrill of the hunt like oh, that's easy I think it'll be more like a video game where video games are no fun if you get to play on god mode You know you play a video game on god mode.
But lots of this shit, you know, like, obviously, we don't know exactly where this is going to go, and you're talking, like, a little bit out there.
Not that this is even that far away.
I mean, if you look at, like, where a Nokia phone was compared to where, you know, these things are, I mean, it's a big difference.
It's not that far off into the future, but even just little things, like, personally, I get really fascinated by, like, the implications toward government and how we organize society.
So when something, I mean...
We can just 3D print guns, and everybody can 3D print a gun.
I mean, we don't really need to fight about the Second Amendment anymore, because you've got it.
Everyone's going to have a gun if they want to have a gun.
And I feel like there will be a lot of these type of things that just kind of nullify government, whether or not it's like, it doesn't matter, because people can just go over here and do it.
So we don't even need to have this debate, which to me should be the way lots of things are settled.
I mean, who cares about debating over gay marriage or something like that?
Let people associate however they want to associate.
So if Hillary all of a sudden got a boob job, everybody would be like, what the fuck is wrong with her?
But he gets a boob job, and because it's about gender, we're all supposed to just ignore the fact that he's got a frozen face, that the chin's been cut with a fucking grinder to resemble a female face.
Well, but look, there is something also like that.
I'm not like a psychoanalyst.
I mean, I don't know.
But are we just going to just because of like this political pressure, throw out the possibility that it it seems to say that maybe you have some issues that you want to self mutilate yourself like this?
Well, I don't know what the number is, but there's got to be a lot of people where they feel like they're trapped in the body that they don't want to be in, and that's cool.
Sure.
I'm cool with sex changes.
I'm cool with everything.
I'm not trying to restrict people's behavior.
But there's something really weird.
I guess it's like an overreaction to people.
I think, in a way, it's probably a good thing.
It's people trying to be more sensitive, trying to be more open-minded, trying to be more accepting.
And that'll probably balance out.
Like, we go way out to the left, and then we'll come back more into the middle, and everything will kind of balance it out.
He's like, you're trying to show yourself as to be more virtuous than the other people, so you attack them for having a lack of a strong stance in these things that you have a strong stance in.
And even when this strong stance is really debatable, like this whole subject.
And I love the fact that these guys kept getting busted after they passed these laws, allowing transgender women to use the women's room.
These creepy men were calling themselves transgender and going into the women's room.
That's exactly what you knew was gonna happen.
You knew it was gonna happen, right?
Like, look, if you really want people to use a third bathroom, here's what you do.
Get the people that support that to fund it.
Get them to fund it across the board.
Everybody else, fuck off.
Like, how many people are we talking about here, man?
But that's why I hate the whole system of taxation and government and all this shit, because right there, that can be applied to so many different things.
Like, even if it's something like Planned Parenthood or something like that, like, I'm...
I think it's a very complicated issue, but I'd probably lean on the pro-choice side.
But it's like, you're going to force someone who believes abortion is murder to fund a place that commits...
What they see as murder?
Why don't you liberals just get together and fund it yourself?
Like, why do you have to force all these other people to fund something that you deem to be a value that they don't?
Like the fact that we like to go out into nature, like we're so far removed with all this technology, but we still want to like, well, I want to like, I want to sit in the place where I would have died from an infection at 12. I don't want to like live there, but I want to like sit there for a little and then go inside.
Like the more, you know, we think we know something, and we're like, okay, this is what a black hole is, and then we figure something out, and we go, okay, it's nothing like that.
And people get mad at Neil deGrasse Tyson because he won't say he's an atheist.
I think that's another hilarious aspect of atheism, is how tribal atheism is.
I've been watching this forum where these people are fucking hurling the most disgusting and evil insults at Neil deGrasse Tyson simply because he won't say he's an atheist.
He's open-minded.
And Neil's like a scientist.
He's like, look, I'm not a religious person, but I'm not going to say there's no God.
And you're finding a way to kind of trigger, to use their word, to trigger that reaction that just gets you into, it's weird, it gets you into something that you already knew.
It's not even like new information.
It's just like, it's something you already knew that you work very hard to forget.
I mean, there's personal things about different groups, and then there's some groups of libertarians that I... Genuinely don't identify with at all.
Like, there's some kind of, like, Republicans who will just kind of call themselves Libertarians but are okay with, like, fighting wars and stuff like that, so I don't like that.
Libertarians can be kind of a weird group if you get together.
But that's why I don't, you know, I wouldn't be comfortable almost identifying with any other group.
To me, libertarianism or voluntarism is really just, it's like accepting of a principle that is, like I said before, like you shouldn't initiate violence against peaceful people.
So I just, I'm okay with accepting that as like a fundamental truth.
To me, it's more on line with being like an abolitionist during slavery times.
It's just like, we shouldn't have slavery.
What you do with yourself, I don't know.
I'm not going to jump into a team of what job you should have.
I mean, all the political ideologies, all the political distinctions, that's the one that makes the most sense to me.
I don't call myself a libertarian.
I feel like the whole...
The whole idea of representative government is so fucking goofy.
I just think that any political party that doesn't address that, it's like we're spinning our wheels if we're really allowing this whole stupid thing to go on the way it's gone on for so long.
It was created back when it was really impossible to communicate with people.
So you had to have a representative.
Like, now it's really easy to communicate with people, but we have the same system of government that we had back when people used to write with feathers.