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April 21, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #788 - Brendan Schaub
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unidentified
He's double shooting me!
joe rogan
That means we're live.
unidentified
With the Keto Kid.
The Keto Kid.
brendan schaub
I've been doing this for six days.
He's the Keto Kid now.
joe rogan
That's your new nickname, the Keto Kid.
brendan schaub
That's hilarious.
The Keto Kid.
joe rogan
I'm just happy you're doing it, man.
You know, before we get into the UFC stuff, Brendan and I were talking before this about he started the No Sugar Diet.
He went straight keto.
brendan schaub
Which is crazy for me.
joe rogan
Yeah, for you, dude.
I was like, there's no way he's ever going to do this.
You're so addicted to candy.
brendan schaub
I was the straight candy man.
I had candy in my car, everything.
joe rogan
Ari Shaffir is probably the worst I've ever seen.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He'll take a day off candy, and he'll just eat pasta and bread all day, giving his body candy in some other form.
God damn.
brendan schaub
For me, I think it was just like, I've tried all these diets, and I've never got the results I've wanted to.
And then as soon as I started doing this, everyone's like, be careful, man.
The cravings, you're going to have headaches.
I haven't had shit.
As a matter of fact, I work out more.
joe rogan
Was it hard at all over the first couple of days?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
brendan schaub
Not at all.
unidentified
Hmm.
brendan schaub
Not at all.
joe rogan
Well, you know, if you talk to that Mark Sisson guy, he would probably say that your body just adapts really well to it.
That's what I would probably imagine.
But I think, like, to be sure you're even in a state of ketosis, you've got to measure your blood.
But it's going to be annoying for you, just like it's annoying for me.
I kind of have to find out where's the right place to stab yourself.
Because the fingertips weren't working for me.
brendan schaub
It's like the little insulin when you check your blood sugar?
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah, they weren't getting through my fingertips.
brendan schaub
You got some thick-ass fingers.
joe rogan
Thick-ass fingers.
It's all those kettlebells.
Calluses, son.
I got some serious calluses up in here.
brendan schaub
I hear you.
joe rogan
Over the last couple of years.
brendan schaub
I think most guys doing their pinky.
My dad's diabetic, so I see him doing the pinky all the time.
He has some big old banana fingers.
joe rogan
Somebody sent me one, though, and they said there's a legit one now for your breath.
The ones where the breath used to suck, but now they have one that's legit.
brendan schaub
And it shows what level of ketogenic you're at?
Ketosis, really?
joe rogan
I have to look into that.
I don't even remember who said it to me.
brendan schaub
Dude, I don't give a fuck.
I just feel good.
You know what I'm saying?
I just feel good.
I'm just gonna keep doing it.
joe rogan
Dude, you're gonna feel...
This is the crazy thing.
You're gonna feel this way, and this is how you feel now.
Like, you know this thing in the middle of the day where you get tired?
That's gonna go away.
And I got that when I went to Mexico when on vacation.
Had a great old time.
But I said, fuck it, man.
I'm in Mexico.
I'm on vacation.
I'm going to go off my diet.
I'm going to have some fucking burritos, you know?
brendan schaub
Never mad at that.
joe rogan
I'm going to have some tortillas.
brendan schaub
Why not?
joe rogan
I'm getting in there.
I had tacos.
I had the whole thing.
And then I said, fuck it.
While I'm doing that, I might as well get dessert.
Dude, I felt like diggity dog shit.
When you haven't done that in two months.
brendan schaub
The next day you did?
joe rogan
No, then.
Right away.
unidentified
Which crashed.
joe rogan
Yeah, right away I felt terrible after eating the cake.
And then later in the day, I mean, I was just, I could barely stay conscious.
You can't do that anymore.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I think my thing was, is I've always wanted to do it, but I never really had a strict reason to do it.
Like something that just put me over to finally make the decision to do it.
And I was thinking about how much you do, because I have a lot of stuff going on.
I'm like, dude, I'm getting tired, man.
I'm not doing that well.
I could be doing better, just mentally, more clear, and I'm working out, doing all this stuff.
And you and I have been talking about it for a while, and I was like, fuck.
I might as well try it, man.
Because coffee really does nothing to me anymore.
I could drink six cappuccinos before I go to bed and sleep just fine.
Just fine.
joe rogan
You should probably never get into REM sleep at all.
That's what happens.
brendan schaub
So I'm like, I gotta do something.
And dude, it's been great.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
Good for you.
It gets easy.
brendan schaub
12-step program, son.
joe rogan
It gets easy because after a while you just look at food as like, oh, well this is what I'm supposed to be eating.
That other stuff isn't food.
You know, like you don't look at a candy bar like, oh, that would be good right now.
brendan schaub
That's what's crazy to me.
I'm not like, like you were talking about how you have those ketogenic like Reesey Pieces or whatever.
I don't even want to try that bullshit.
joe rogan
Yeah, these are, um, I should give them a shout out.
Quest Labs.
Sent us a bunch of stuff when they found out that we were...
brendan schaub
And Quests are great.
I know those guys.
They're great.
But even sweets or something that simulates sweets, I don't want that.
joe rogan
It's weird, man.
This stuff's good.
They have crackers.
You can eat these crackers.
These are like keto crackers.
They're saltines.
brendan schaub
I fucking hate crackers now.
unidentified
Whoa.
I don't give a fuck.
brendan schaub
I'm against carbs in any form.
joe rogan
Those aren't really carbs.
brendan schaub
I know.
joe rogan
What the fuck they are.
brendan schaub
I don't like the way they look anymore, Joe.
Yeah, son.
joe rogan
Look at you.
You're a new man.
brendan schaub
I know, man.
I feel good.
Paying a week later, I'm just 300 pounds full of sugar.
joe rogan
This is some stuff I've been taking, too.
It's called Keygenics, and it's exogenous ketones.
These are...
unidentified
I don't know if that guy, Dom D'Agostino, had something to do with this.
joe rogan
Somebody told me.
I need to research it further.
But these are exogenous ketones.
You take this, and you mix that with water, and it puts you in a state of ketosis really rapidly, like within an hour.
brendan schaub
Twelve carbs, though.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's okay for the whole day.
brendan schaub
Again, I don't need anything.
I have some nuts in my car covered in cinnamon.
I'll snack on those all day, be just fine.
Never hungry.
joe rogan
You're very dedicated.
brendan schaub
Something's going on right now.
I got nuts in my car.
I have nuts in my car.
joe rogan
What kind?
Like macadamia?
brendan schaub
Almonds.
joe rogan
Ooh, almonds are good.
brendan schaub
Almonds, man, with just cinnamon on top.
joe rogan
You know what I do?
I eat those pistachios that are already shelled.
brendan schaub
Oh, so you gotta crack the shell open?
joe rogan
No, they're already shelled.
brendan schaub
Oh, you're saying, oh, they're not shelled.
joe rogan
No, well, shelled meaning the shells were removed.
brendan schaub
Oh, word.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's shelled.
brendan schaub
Is that the correct term?
joe rogan
Shelled?
Shelled.
brendan schaub
Okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, like, I mean, what would be a good comparison?
It's not unshelled?
No, I don't believe so.
I think they say shelled, meaning that they've been removed from the shell.
Maybe I'm wrong.
brendan schaub
Maybe it is unshelled.
If you want some shelled nuts, I'd say, well, is there anyone who can unshelled them?
joe rogan
What you're saying makes total sense.
brendan schaub
I know.
joe rogan
Well, whatever it is, I buy them in the bag with no shells.
Let me just put it that way.
brendan schaub
I don't like that.
joe rogan
It's a big, giant-ass bag, and I just force-feed them.
brendan schaub
I like the work.
It's like with sunflower seeds.
I don't like just regular sunflower seeds.
I gotta have the shell.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I like the work.
joe rogan
I know a lot of people do that, man.
brendan schaub
Like, if you just got a plate of crab meat, fuck that noise.
I want the legs to crack open.
unidentified
Mmm.
joe rogan
I see.
brendan schaub
Is that weird?
joe rogan
No.
No.
There's merit to that.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
I get it.
I had some regular pistachios the other day and I had to work for them.
brendan schaub
It's rewarding.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they were kind of like flavorful on the outside.
I enjoyed it.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I like sucking on the shells.
joe rogan
But sometimes I just like to pour a coffee cup full of pistachios and just eat that shit while I watch TV. See, I'll do a mix.
brendan schaub
A little macadamia nuts, cashews.
All unsalted.
I hate salt.
joe rogan
Dude, you're so healthy now.
unidentified
What's going on?
brendan schaub
I don't know what the fuck's going on.
unidentified
Like this fucking new fucking keto...
brendan schaub
It's weird, man.
The keto kid.
That made me fucking...
joe rogan
Are you getting a lot of vegetables in, too?
brendan schaub
Yeah, tons of veggies.
You know what my big thing is?
I probably eat...
I've ate it every night for dinner since I've been on the diet.
Is I do like a...
A shredded lettuce-cabbage mix that I sauté and I put buffalo meat in it.
And then I'll put hot sauce on top of that.
Every night, that's what I have for dinner.
I know.
I look forward to it, too.
joe rogan
Wow.
brendan schaub
It's so weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, weight is gonna melt off your body too.
The first few pounds you lose, obviously I'm not a doctor, are supposed to be just your body adjusting to this new lower inflammation diet.
You don't have as much inflammation, you don't have as much water storage in your body, and you just get rid of some of that.
And then your body, as it starts burning off fat, one of the coolest things is you don't get those crazy hunger cravings either.
It's a completely different kind of hunger.
brendan schaub
Well, plus it lasts longer, right?
Because you're eating these fats, so your body's not spiking insulin, right?
It's like more of a steady pace.
joe rogan
And the spike in insulin is fucking real, man.
Because like I told you, I cheated in Mexico, and then I cheated one other time.
I just said, fucking, I want a cheeseburger and a milkshake from this old-time diner.
So American.
I was so dead afterwards.
It was like somebody poisoned me.
I mean, it was so dramatic, man.
brendan schaub
Like, no, bitch.
joe rogan
No, I really did feel like I was having the hardest time getting up off the couch.
I was like, God.
I just couldn't breathe.
It was like my body had just shut down to process all this bullshit.
brendan schaub
That garbage.
Yeah, it's like, what the fuck is this?
I think the only thing that took me a while to get used to was so much MCT oil.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta be careful with that, though.
brendan schaub
I texted you yesterday.
I was running, man.
I took it.
A bunch of this new MCT oil.
I swear to God, I was like, it's Venice.
I might as well just shit my pants right here.
Like, no one's gonna give a fuck.
I will just shit everywhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a tipping point with MCT oil where it just opens a floodgate to your booty hole.
unidentified
There's no, like, third gear.
brendan schaub
It's, like, first or fucking sixth gear, man.
joe rogan
And where is it?
Is it, like, two tablespoons?
brendan schaub
I'm trying to figure it out.
joe rogan
Is it like three tablespoons?
You're gone.
brendan schaub
That shit is the perfect storm for explosive diarrhea.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you want to clean out the pipes, you don't need a colonic.
brendan schaub
But it's not like, ah, I gotta take a shit.
It's like, it's coming.
You better fucking figure it out.
joe rogan
You're squeezing your butt up and you're tensing up your innards.
You're trying to clamp it down from the inside.
brendan schaub
I have to stop running.
I was like, I better come up with a game plan here.
My mouth started watering.
unidentified
I'm like...
brendan schaub
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
And there's that battle that you play.
It's very similar to the battle when you try not to cum.
You know, the battle when you try not to cum.
unidentified
Just squeezing your dick in your fingers.
Jesus!
Jesus!
brendan schaub
That shit is.
joe rogan
It's very similar to that.
I don't want to shit my pants.
You have willpower.
Because there's some weak people in the world that just shit their pants more than they should.
brendan schaub
You can't be my friend.
unidentified
If you just give up and shit your pants, lose my number.
joe rogan
I just don't know what to do.
It hurts to keep my butt tight.
brendan schaub
You just got no willpower, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, but then I've shit my pants before, too.
It's like, here's the deal.
It's okay to tap out.
Just don't tap out like a bitch.
brendan schaub
No, at least put up a fight.
It's hard if you're going to lose the fight.
joe rogan
Be actually in a position where you have to tap.
Don't just tap because you're uncomfortable.
brendan schaub
You're sweating and you have no other options.
Hey, didn't Calen lie to you one time and said he shit his pants and then showed up with regular pants?
That's one line you just can't do.
joe rogan
He said that he couldn't make it to the show at the Ice House because he shit his pants.
And I said, what are you talking about?
He goes, I shit my pants.
I can't come.
And I said, Brian, these people came to see you.
They're here to see you.
And...
He goes, what should I do?
I go, go to a fucking bathroom at a gas station, take your fucking pants off, throw them in the sink, clean the shit out of your pants, wring them out, and then get over here with wet pants on in a storage.
brendan schaub
How old is he at this time?
joe rogan
Oh, like a year ago.
This is a year ago.
brendan schaub
And he's asking you, what should I do?
joe rogan
You gotta show up, man.
You gotta show up.
Like, people don't want to smell shit on you.
So, if you could just get to the bathroom for five minutes, you could fix all that.
It's gonna take a little work, and you're gonna wear wet pants.
But that's what you have to do.
brendan schaub
Better than doo-doo pants.
joe rogan
People paid!
They're Brian Callen fans!
brendan schaub
Yeah, they don't give a fuck if you have doo-doo hanging out your pants.
Tell some jokes!
joe rogan
So he shows up ten minutes later, his pants are dry.
And I go...
What happened?
And he said, oh, I had a pair of pants in my trunk.
brendan schaub
The worst lie of all of us.
joe rogan
A pair of pants in your trunk?
I don't know what, I didn't even want to ask what was really going on.
brendan schaub
You can't even get into it.
If you shit your pants as a grown man, I mean, it ain't a simple procedure.
There's some steps you gotta take.
joe rogan
Maybe that's the next shirt, is I had another pair of pants in my trunk.
Who carries pants in their trunk?
Have you ever had a pair of pants in your trunk that you didn't know about?
brendan schaub
Never.
joe rogan
But you shit your pants and you go, what is the odds that the pants are in my trunk?
brendan schaub
Never.
I guess when I'm older, I might.
joe rogan
I might have a baseball hat in there.
And I can cover my balls.
brendan schaub
I love that story.
Out of all the lies, shitting your pants?
joe rogan
I don't know if it was a lie.
brendan schaub
I'm gonna need some shits, though.
I'm gonna need to see some stuff.
joe rogan
I do not know if it was a lie, but goddamn, he smelled so normal.
I mean, I would've just...
brendan schaub
Only Cal is the best.
Only he could do that.
joe rogan
You shit all over your pants and just find new pants.
Would you throw your pants away?
brendan schaub
If it's like a clean log, though, you could figure it out.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
If you felt it coming out, you're like, oh, okay, we see what we got going on here.
This is a blockbuster.
This is a fucking lumber roll.
brendan schaub
This is one of them submarines.
We'll figure it out.
joe rogan
This is one of them lumber rolls that they have those trucks that go down on.
Those gigantic cedar logs.
brendan schaub
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Like, oh, boy, here we go!
But then there's ones you're like, oh my god, this is 100% diarrhea.
brendan schaub
Oh, that MCT oil, there's no guessing.
That shit is, you will spray paint your pants brown.
joe rogan
But there's a feeling.
It's like your butt has different levels of sensitivity.
Your butt knows when you're going to blow out a hard, beefy pot roast shit.
You know, one of them thick, dried out shits that's very dense.
Your butt knows.
Your butt's like, look, we're eventually going to have to sit down here.
unidentified
Prepare yourself.
joe rogan
There's going to be a big one, so I want you to get a magazine.
brendan schaub
Get your mind right, son.
joe rogan
Make sure your fucking iPhone's charged up.
brendan schaub
But then there's the fire drill.
Then there's the fucking fire drill.
And that's what I had in Venice yesterday.
joe rogan
But you know, before you see, you're not even...
You can't see your asshole even if you had to.
Unless you're an acrobat.
There's no way to even see your asshole without a mirror.
brendan schaub
It's like a 10-second warning.
joe rogan
We're like, Oh!
Right, but you know what I'm saying?
Like, there's a certain level of sensitivity.
brendan schaub
Oh, for sure.
joe rogan
If you had explained that, if you had explained the feeling of what is it like when you have to take a shit, you'd be like, well, there's different kinds of feelings when you have to take a shit.
There's like...
Eventually, I'm gonna have to take a shit.
There's a, oh God, oh boy, this is gonna be a whopper, but it's a shit.
And then there's, oh, oh.
brendan schaub
You're talking about that terrorist level five shit.
joe rogan
There's that diarrhea feeling.
There's signals in your body that we always think of.
We put them in one classification, but they're radically different feelings.
brendan schaub
It's complicated.
If you break it down, it's complicated.
joe rogan
The diarrhea feeling is super complicated.
It's like, how do I know?
How do I know that this is about to come flying?
brendan schaub
My body starts sweating, too.
Brace yourself, son.
You're about to get active.
joe rogan
And some foods, too.
Sometimes spicy food, for whatever reason, just breaks stuff loose off the walls.
And there's a goddamn avalanche.
brendan schaub
A fucking mudslide.
joe rogan
A fucking broken fire hydrant coming out of your asshole.
brendan schaub
It is complicated, though.
We can do a podcast for three hours straight up on shit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
It's very important.
It's very important.
brendan schaub
It's so hilarious.
joe rogan
So easy on the MCT oil, kids.
brendan schaub
Yeah, brace yourself.
joe rogan
Moral to our story.
You're supposed to have, at the most, a couple of tablespoons.
brendan schaub
Yeah, don't squirt that shit drink in your mouth.
joe rogan
It's not going to kill you, but you will shit your parents.
brendan schaub
Yeah, you'll piss out of your asshole.
Straight up.
joe rogan
The big combination, if you really want to clean the pipes, is those Hulk load shakes, kale shakes that I make with MCT oil in it.
brendan schaub
Preach.
joe rogan
Whoa.
I started adding coconut oil.
Coconut oil was nice.
Scoop it out a couple of, you know, extra virgin or whatever the fuck it is.
Get a nice couple of tablespoons, throw it in there.
But then I decided to go hard and go to MCT. Go hard in the paint.
Go to MCT oil.
And I forget the number that I use.
Four or five tablespoons.
brendan schaub
You fucked up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I use four or five tablespoons for one of those blenders.
What did you say that is?
About 16 ounces?
No, 20 ounces maybe?
So five scoops of MCT oil.
brendan schaub
What were you thinking?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I want to see what happens.
brendan schaub
Usually I'm always down for more means better.
joe rogan
I didn't know.
Back then.
When I first started shitting myself.
brendan schaub
See, I knew!
joe rogan
Coming close to shitting myself, at least.
brendan schaub
I knew, and I still fucking do it.
joe rogan
I didn't know it was MCT oil that was doing it.
I thought it was just the intense amount of fiber from the hemp shakes, or from the kale shakes.
unidentified
The vegetables?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, there's cucumber in there, carrots in there, or celery, rather.
And ginger and garlic and usually a piece of fruit, like an apple or something like that.
There's so much fiber.
I thought it was just blowing everything out.
But there's a big difference between...
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
When I had the extra MC2, it's like...
brendan schaub
It's like a turbo.
It's like a turbo on your engine.
joe rogan
Is it lubing everything up?
Why is that?
brendan schaub
It just gets in there and wreaks havoc.
It just gets in there and fucking...
joe rogan
Why does it make it all come out as liquid?
What is happening?
brendan schaub
It's complicated.
joe rogan
It's so complicated.
brendan schaub
How the fuck does that work?
joe rogan
But it seems like it would be a good thing.
Like, it would be uncomfortable, but something like that would clean you out.
brendan schaub
I think it's a good thing.
joe rogan
Probably.
brendan schaub
I feel like it.
I hope so.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I hope so, too.
Anyway, good source of healthy fats.
Just take it easy, you fucks.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
Easy, man.
More's not better.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So, big UFC this weekend.
That's one of the reasons why we sat down here.
brendan schaub
God, we started talking about shit in our pants.
unidentified
We talked about shitty for 25 minutes.
brendan schaub
Sorry, man.
joe rogan
We can talk about whatever, though.
brendan schaub
No, a big UFC this weekend, but I was talking to you through text.
I feel like no one's really talking about UFC 197 because the Conner.
Straight up, the Conner.
That's all I'll refer to now, the Conner.
joe rogan
The two best pound-for-pound fighters in the world, universally heralded two best pound-for-pound fighters.
John Jones and Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson fighting on a card this weekend, and no one's talking about it.
brendan schaub
Oh, and Anthony Pettis is on that bitch.
joe rogan
And Anthony Pettis versus Barboza, yeah.
But Jon Jones, in my opinion, he's number two.
Not that he's not awesome.
I just go off technique.
I think that Demetrius Johnson is on another level.
brendan schaub
I think he has to be on another level because he's so small.
But I think what Jon Jones does and his risk of losing is so much higher than Mighty Mouse is.
And he's destroying dudes.
And not training.
And high as fuck.
Let's toss that on top of it.
joe rogan
You got good points there, but just because you didn't train, it doesn't make your performances more valid.
Like, because you beat Daniel Cormier and you did coke three weeks before, you still had the same fight with Daniel Cormier.
Just because you went five rounds with Alexander Gustafson and struggled because you didn't train, you still struggled.
So although I agree that Jon Jones at his best is the motherfucker.
I mean, Jon Jones at his best, when he choked out Lyoto Machida, when he just dropped him and walked away, See, I don't think it's a contest.
unidentified
Like an assassin?
brendan schaub
Yeah, I don't think it's a contest because I think John, the way he's being guys, he's facing tougher competition.
You could argue that.
And his level, his margin of error is so much smaller.
Like, let's say DJ has one off night and someone lands a big right hand on him.
He'll figure it out and that right hand's not going to land again.
If John Jones has an off night, even OSP, and OSP lands a huge left hook, it's over, son.
joe rogan
It's true.
Very good points.
These are very good points.
Absolutely.
brendan schaub
And think about the legends he's beat.
Mighty Mouse?
You know Mighty Mouse's next fight, if he gets past Cejudo?
He's fighting the winner of the Ultimate Fighter.
That's what the fuck we got to result to.
There's just no one for him to fight.
joe rogan
Wouldn't he fight Benavidez?
brendan schaub
No.
unidentified
No.
brendan schaub
His next fight, they said, if he wins this fight, he's going to fight the winner of the Ultimate Fighter.
joe rogan
That sounds crazy.
That's what he says, people, tiny people.
People don't look at those little tiny guys.
brendan schaub
I know, it sucks, man, because he's so talented.
joe rogan
So good.
brendan schaub
I actually think it's better for the sport.
I love Demetrius Johnson.
I love DJ. I absolutely love him.
I think he's great.
I think it's better for the sport if Cejudo wins.
joe rogan
What?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
Why do you say that?
brendan schaub
Because of his upbringing, his background, Olympic gold medalist, didn't go to college, just pursued the Olympics straight out of high school and won gold.
The youngest ever to win gold.
You know, his Mexican roots, I think the UFC could use more of that.
DJ needs a nemesis.
Like Aldo had McGregor, right?
Aldo's never been bigger now.
I think DJ needs a nemesis.
And if he beats him, we don't have one.
He fights the fucking ultimate fighter winner.
joe rogan
It's true.
Or unless he beats him barely.
Who knows?
brendan schaub
But even then...
joe rogan
Look, Cejudo's not a joke.
He's the best wrestler in MMA today.
I mean, arguably, that's competing in the 125-pound division.
Who's ever had more wrestling accomplishments?
He's an Olympic gold medalist.
brendan schaub
Gold medalist.
joe rogan
I mean, that's the beast of the beasts.
So, you know he's a winner.
He's just a straight winner.
The real question is, is that cut to 125 too brutal?
brendan schaub
He looked good in his fights.
The scary thing to me though...
joe rogan
But would he look better if he didn't cut?
brendan schaub
I always think guys would.
I always think they would.
joe rogan
A guy like him, I wonder if he's got that wrestler's mentality to always be the biggest guy.
brendan schaub
Look what he did cutting that weight though.
He has it down to a science.
So usually the wrestlers are a beast at it.
Like DC, amazing.
Hendo, amazing.
You're talking about guys who never really miss weight.
joe rogan
Well, how about Rumble back when he used to go down from like 200 plus to 170. It was insane.
brendan schaub
Just unhealthy.
I can't believe no one was like, God, I feel like it's a bad idea.
You might die.
And then Dada was like, nah, I got this.
Dead.
unidentified
Dada died.
brendan schaub
That's why you can't have that shit.
joe rogan
But they said Dada only had to lose, like, three pounds the week of the fight.
brendan schaub
Still, though, I'm just saying.
You better know your weight cuts, son.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think there was a lot of other issues going on there, physically.
We just wasn't prepared for that.
But there's a big difference between him and a guy like Cejudo.
brendan schaub
I know, I'm just being silly.
No, Cejudo's the fucking best in the business.
He's a master at weight cutting.
You just look at his wins, all decisions, his level of competition.
DJ, I think he's number two pound-for-pound best.
Good luck, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
And DJ's a motherfucker.
joe rogan
He's an artist, man.
He's my favorite guy to watch.
Because you just don't get to hit him.
You don't get to.
It's not how it works.
Well, how it works is, he's gonna be moving, you're gonna be reacting, you're gonna think he's gonna go left, he's gonna go right, he's gonna punch you in the face while he's doing it, he's gonna circle out, leg kick you on the way out, and then enter when you think he's gonna exit.
Go to the right when you think he's gonna go to the left and constantly switch between takedowns and punches and he gets you up against the cage and he drops down for doubles and comes up with an elbow and it's all creative.
This is all flowing together.
unidentified
I agree.
brendan schaub
And there's no one with better skills than him.
unidentified
No.
brendan schaub
But I don't think that makes him the best fighter.
It's a good point.
If that makes sense.
But I also think if I'm DJ, I'm gonna sit there and go, God, how the fuck can I become a draw?
I'm tiny.
People don't give a fuck about tiny people.
Let's see.
The one guy who's beat me, Dominic Cruz, is a massive star.
I need to go up and wait and fight Dominic Cruz.
That's the fight.
joe rogan
Well, that's not a bad fight.
brendan schaub
He should grab the mic after he beats Cejudo and go, Dominic, you're the last guy to beat me, especially in the UFC. Before that, it was homeboy, the frickin' Irish cat.
I forget his name.
Anyways, he just needs to get on the mic and go, yo, the last guy to beat me.
unidentified
Brad Pickett?
brendan schaub
Pickett, yeah, exactly.
Pickett beat him in decision.
joe rogan
English guy.
I knew who you were talking about, though.
brendan schaub
Yeah, my bad.
My bad.
Love that guy.
My bad, Brad.
But he just needs to get on the mic and create some sort of hype.
Like even the Cejudo thing to the common fan.
They're like, what?
These are two tiny dudes.
joe rogan
It's hard.
brendan schaub
But to stay at 125, it ain't happening, man.
You're not going to become mainstream.
You're not going to become...
You're not going to make a lot of money.
joe rogan
Well, I wonder, though.
Well, maybe you're right, because if Cejudo beat him, then maybe he can make a lot of money.
brendan schaub
Yeah, then we've got a little bit of drama.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, we'll see.
It's not outside the realm of possibilities.
brendan schaub
So either the best thing for him, Cejudo beats him and talks some shit.
It's kind of back and forth fight, and then they fight again.
We'll watch that three match.
Or, let's say he just destroys Cejudo.
Cejudo, don't wait for the ultimate fighter winner.
We don't give a fuck about those small guys in the ultimate fighter.
Get on the mic, call out Dominic Cruz, son.
joe rogan
I wanted to see Cejudo versus someone like Benavidez.
brendan schaub
Me too.
joe rogan
I wanted to see Cejudo versus a real veteran.
brendan schaub
But then if, let's say he fights Benavidez and Benavidez beats him, you want Benavidez, Mighty Mouse 2?
joe rogan
Oh, 3. 3?
brendan schaub
You do.
joe rogan
I do.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Again.
I get it.
You do.
Everyone else does not.
And Benavidez is, I love that dude.
joe rogan
Well, there's two ways of looking at it.
As an excitement junkie.
And as a fan of the art form.
For me, as a fan of the art form, I want to see DJ with as many different tests as possible.
Because I'm a big fan of technique and movement, and I think he's the highest expression of technique and movement today.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
Because his combinations, the way he stifled Dodson.
You don't stifle Dodson.
Dodson's a hurricane.
You got cows flying around your yard.
You know, the fucking satellite dish will take your head off as it comes off the roof.
brendan schaub
Yep.
joe rogan
He's so fast!
brendan schaub
How about Bagatinov, when he fought him?
Bagatinov, he out-cardioed him.
He was on EPO! He was on EPO, and he out-cardioed him.
And he out-cardioed him.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
Bagatinov's got that style.
That's that Russian style that sometimes works, but sometimes doesn't.
That fucking...
brendan schaub
Those guys get tense.
They can see the shots.
joe rogan
They get tense, and they...
And every punch is...
brendan schaub
It works at heavier.
It works at heavier weights.
joe rogan
It can work.
Ibagatino fucked a lot of people up.
He did until he met a motherfucker.
brendan schaub
But I just think, like you said, from a purist point, it's like, yeah, Mighty Mouse, keep doing your thing.
As a guy looking at what's best for him...
Because he's going to fight, right?
He's just going to keep fighting.
How can we make the most money and get you the most fame and the best competition?
Dominic Cruz.
joe rogan
I agree with you.
It's the best matchup in that they're virtually identical side-wise.
Size-wise, they're only 10 pounds off.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
And they're both, I'm talking about world champions, the highest level.
You want to talk about a super fight?
They're not that far off.
joe rogan
10 pounds at 125, though, is actually quite a bit.
brendan schaub
That is a lot of weight.
joe rogan
Because if it was 100 pounds, it would be 10%.
brendan schaub
That is a lot of weight.
But they could figure it out, you know what I'm saying?
Like, you could risk that for that big of a payday.
joe rogan
Well, Mighty Mouse has fought at that weight before.
And if he just did it, if they gave him, like, six months, You give him six months so he can do some squats or deadlifts or whatever and put on some actual weight.
brendan schaub
The issue is Cruz, right?
Cruz has Uriah.
Let's say he beats Uriah.
If we go with the Vegas odds, he beats Uriah.
joe rogan
But then he has TJ. Well, I think TJ is going to go with Dodson.
If I had a guess, like what the big fight is at 135, rematch between TJ and Dodson because that was the finals of the Ultimate Fighter.
brendan schaub
100%.
joe rogan
And both guys are light years past where they were then.
I would like to see how Dotson deals with the champion, TJ. I mean, because TJ lost a razor close decision to Dominic, right?
Agreed?
Very fucking close.
brendan schaub
I actually had TJ winning.
joe rogan
Very fucking close fight.
And, you know, Dominic Cruz is a master.
I mean, he is just a master.
brendan schaub
Straight master.
joe rogan
Watching him move and his footwork inside the octagon and the way he mixes things up, be like, this fucking kid has been out essentially for four years, except for one fight.
Nuts.
Crazy.
brendan schaub
And that one fight was like a minute something?
joe rogan
Yeah, he just stormed Mitsugaki.
So you're watching this guy move around.
I mean, this is a guy who hasn't performed under the pressure of the cameras for all this time.
He still puts on this masterful performance.
brendan schaub
He has the best brain in MMA that I've ever been around.
joe rogan
He's a wizard.
brendan schaub
As far as him talking?
But I think...
So you've got to keep TJ active.
You've got to keep Dominic active.
joe rogan
But Dodson and TJ is a monster fight.
brendan schaub
It's a motherfucker, for sure.
joe rogan
It's a monster fight.
brendan schaub
But for the guy who's going to be left out and fighting a no-namer Ultimate Fighter winner is DJ. Yeah, that's weird.
joe rogan
Are you sure?
Is that definitely what's going to happen?
brendan schaub
I'm almost positive.
joe rogan
We should always Google these things.
brendan schaub
We should.
joe rogan
If we're arguing this fake point, let's find out if Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson will one day fight the winner of the Ultimate Final.
brendan schaub
Maybe I'm just full of MCT or I'm making shit up.
But that'd be a weird thing to make up.
Usually I'm right on this stuff.
I feel like he does fight the next challenger.
joe rogan
It was vaguely familiar when you said it.
No.
I vaguely was like, is he...
Is that right?
brendan schaub
I'm almost positive.
joe rogan
I believe you.
I believe you.
We'll find out.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
You got it?
Is it, Jamie?
Demetrius Johnson isn't scared of Tough 24 winner's title shot.
I just don't care.
Wow.
brendan schaub
So, yeah, so the winner gets that title shot.
joe rogan
Yeah, that seems crazy.
brendan schaub
Like, I get it when you do that with girls, because there's seven of them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
But with these guys, is there any way we can help DJ out anymore?
You already fucked them on the Xbox deal.
Is there any way we can do something with them?
unidentified
Man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, I think he's making money off of Twitch.
Is he making money from Twitch?
brendan schaub
Oh yeah, he does play video games on there.
joe rogan
Well, he's a legit gamer.
Super gamer.
He's addicted to gaming.
I just don't think he gets the credit he deserves.
I tell every young fighter, you want to emulate someone?
Emulate this guy.
brendan schaub
You better be tiny though.
Yeah, you gotta be tiny, but you can emulate a version of it at 170. You can emulate a version of what he's doing at 170. Yeah, but if frickin' the keto kid here's 17 at 6'4", 210 pounds, you can't be like, watch Mighty Mouse.
I'm like, ah, fuck.
joe rogan
You can't, but you can emulate a version of it like Rico Verhoeven.
Rico Verhoeven is very technical, has incredible cardio, and he's a fantastic kickboxer, and he's a big motherfucker.
brendan schaub
He's fighting MMA now.
joe rogan
Yes, he is.
brendan schaub
Good luck with that.
joe rogan
Good luck with all that.
brendan schaub
As far as fighting him.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
brendan schaub
And he's trained at AKA. Oh, fucking Christ.
Who the fuck's gonna...
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
Small bugs?
joe rogan
The only problem with those guys is in the beginning of their career, they're susceptible to punches during takedown exchanges.
Remember when Randleman knocked out Krokop?
brendan schaub
Do I ever.
joe rogan
Because Crow Cop was looking for the shot.
brendan schaub
True.
joe rogan
And Randleman came at him with the punch and just leapt at him.
brendan schaub
Well, they can't unleash their hands and the gloves are so small.
Like, you know, in kickboxing, you can get away with a little more or even glory or whatever.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
brendan schaub
But, like, your boy Pat Schilling, right?
Like, he should be murk in some of these dudes.
joe rogan
Joe Schilling, you mean?
brendan schaub
Joe Schilling, sorry.
Yeah, Pat Schilling.
I was like, who's this Pat fella?
I have a Pat, yeah.
But Joe Schilling, like, his stand-up, some of the best in the world.
You see him fight MMA, he can't fight the same.
joe rogan
He's worried about the takedown.
brendan schaub
Yes, and so he's open to knockouts.
unidentified
Yes.
brendan schaub
So you'll see him get knocked out by a guy where you're like, dude, if there was no takedowns, he would fuck you up.
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
brendan schaub
I feel like yelling that into the crowd.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he's only doing that now, I think.
He's going straight kickboxing now.
brendan schaub
It's smart, man.
Quit messing with MMA. He's in his 30s, too.
You're in your 30s.
The game, and it's full of grapplers.
No one's standing with your crazy ass.
joe rogan
Not only that, you might find yourself across the cage from some NCAA Division I national champion, and you are not stopping the takedown.
brendan schaub
Not only you're not something, but he doesn't give a fuck about exciting fights.
He will ride you for 15 minutes and love every minute of it.
joe rogan
They don't care.
And smash your face with his elbows and you won't be able to get up.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
There's a big difference between standing up with someone where guys are used to slipping and moving and anticipating angles and someone literally holding your fucking face down and force-feeding you elbows.
brendan schaub
And your head has nowhere to go.
joe rogan
Doom!
brendan schaub
But also with Joe Schilling, it's more of like, I just don't see the payoff for it.
But also, there's not a lot of money in kickboxing, what he's doing.
joe rogan
I'm hoping Bellator brings it up, because they have Bellator kickboxing now.
And UFC now has Glory.
So the UFC has Glory.
brendan schaub
Fight Pass, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, Fight Pass, they're carrying Glory.
ESPN is also carrying Glory.
brendan schaub
I saw that.
joe rogan
They're smart, man.
It's a fucking awesome product.
It's just right now, people don't know about it.
brendan schaub
You have to tell the guy's story.
That's the problem.
We need to be invested in these guys.
Tell fucking Joe Schilling's story.
It's great, man.
But we have to be invested and care about the guy fighting.
Otherwise, it's just two guys kickboxing.
joe rogan
I think if someone like HBO got a hold of it, if they did it the way they do HBO Boxing, If they had like a Simon Marcus versus Joe Schilling title fight, like two guys who have gone to war and have this crazy history behind them, where Marcus stopped him in one fight, and then Joe Schilling stopped Marcus in the fourth round of this insane fucking war, were you there in LA for that fight?
brendan schaub
I watched it.
I was not there in person.
I was supposed to go with you, actually.
joe rogan
Fucking Moogly.
When he uncorked that right hand and you see Simon Marcus go out, you're like, holy shit!
And it was in the fourth round.
There's that moment when these guys have to fight three rounds and if the fight is a draw, at the end of the third round they go to a final...
What do they call it?
brendan schaub
Elimination round?
joe rogan
What would you call it?
brendan schaub
Final elimination round?
joe rogan
You don't call it sudden death.
brendan schaub
No, you can't.
That's tough.
joe rogan
That's rough.
brendan schaub
Especially with the current death.
joe rogan
So they go to this one more round.
And in the one more round, you can see both guys.
brendan schaub
They're exhausted.
joe rogan
They're so fucking tired.
And Simon Marcus had spit his mouthpiece out a couple times.
He got a point taken away from him for it.
And it was looking like Joe Schilling was going to probably win, so Simon Marcus is going after him.
And Joe Schilling just uncorks this beautiful right hook that just completely shuts the light out on Simon.
brendan schaub
Think if HBO got a hold of that and did a 24-7?
Dude, they honeydicked me more than If they do a 24-7, I will buy anything.
I don't even know the two Mexican boxers, and I'm so invested.
I'm like, I can't wait.
I cannot wait.
They do a better job than anyone.
joe rogan
You can smell the tacos and hear the music, and you feel the family.
unidentified
I know.
brendan schaub
God, I want them to win.
joe rogan
They get good with those things, man.
brendan schaub
They do it the best.
No one does it better than them.
joe rogan
You know what else they do that's good that I like?
When they do that thing where...
brendan schaub
The face-offs with Max Kellerman?
joe rogan
Yeah, with Max, where they sit across the table and they both talk about...
brendan schaub
It's tough if they don't speak English, though, because there's a delay.
There's a little bit of delay.
Like with Canelo and Khan, I was watching, like, well, okay.
You can see his earpiece.
It's a little tough.
joe rogan
How much English does Canelo know?
He doesn't know anything?
brendan schaub
Not very good, yeah.
Not very good.
unidentified
Weird.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
The money's over here, right?
They all want to come over here for the money.
I would think you would just learn a little bit of English.
brendan schaub
It makes sense.
Especially if you want to get big brands over here.
joe rogan
Those shows, though, like Showtime has those ones they did for Mayweather's fights.
What do they call them?
All Access?
brendan schaub
All Access, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, those are big, man.
brendan schaub
They're good, but they're just not the same, is it, as the original 24-7s?
Nothing can fuck with a 24-7.
joe rogan
UFC's done some pretty goddamn good ones.
brendan schaub
Embedded, they're good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
They're good.
joe rogan
The one when Cowboy fought Rafael Dos Anjos.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they're great.
Or like, yeah, the Ronda one.
They're good.
I'm with you, man.
You're batshit crazy.
You think it's better than HBO 24-7.
Where do you think they got the idea?
And that guy's voice, is it Lee Shriver's name?
joe rogan
Lee Shriver, yeah.
brendan schaub
Let's steal that guy and bring him to the UFC. Yeah, who do they use for the UFC voice?
I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, that Liev Schreiber guy is weird because you don't recognize that it's his voice.
Because his voice is somewhat indistinctive in some weird way.
You know, like Liam Neeson.
If Liam Neeson was doing a voiceover for something, you would know it's Liam Neeson.
And that would kind of be distracting.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
But with Liev Schreiber, he's like, oh, this guy's smooth as fuck.
brendan schaub
And he's like, god damn.
joe rogan
That's it.
That's all you get out of it.
brendan schaub
I would do anything for that guy.
Literally, I don't even know him.
I'd do anything for him.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's all you get out of it is he's smooth.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I mean, UFC could get someone else.
Even like a Morgan Freeman would be sick.
joe rogan
Well, that brings up the thing that's going on this week with Conor McGregor.
We got caught off guard last episode.
Jamie...
You and I were talking out of nowhere.
It was just breaking news.
And Jamie brought it up that Connor announced his retirement.
And I said, I thought he was trolling.
brendan schaub
You and I had the exact same reaction.
joe rogan
I was like, he's trolling.
He's fucking around.
brendan schaub
I was like, no, look at this.
It's all weird.
He'd be more...
joe rogan
Yeah, eloquent than that he'd be more people to put it out better than that but and then the news started coming out and I also started thinking well, maybe Maybe something happened in training or maybe it was because of that guy that died recently and People were saying, you know, they were shocked that I didn't know the full details and the guy's death honestly With things like this, you know it's going to happen.
And it's unavoidable.
There's a certain amount of risk involved in any extreme sport.
brendan schaub
Plus, that's the exception.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah, it's going to happen.
That's the exception.
joe rogan
It is the exception.
brendan schaub
That's like being mad at peanut butter when someone dies.
It's like, I'm still going to eat peanut butter, you know?
joe rogan
It is the exception.
But I was waiting for all the details to come out.
I don't think they've done an autopsy yet.
brendan schaub
They don't think they know exactly what happened to them.
unidentified
No, I don't either.
brendan schaub
I didn't think that with Connor.
I don't think it's sharing too much information.
When Connor and I had lunch together, I was just talking about it, and he kept bringing up, it was a reoccurring theme, when we were talking, he goes, the media man, for this, it's such a beast.
He's like, I've done interviews before, but it's different.
He's not a guy where...
When any other fighters sit down and do an interview, they're really not selling the fight.
They're talking about their camp, and they're doing the same thing over and over.
Conor's a fucking master that we've never seen do it before.
So he's coming up with original content nonstop.
He's on.
When he came on our podcast, he did the whole car wash.
He was exhausted.
When we came down, you could tell him he was thinking and just started spitting out gold.
He's just a beast, man.
So to have that guy fly around the world and do all this shit, I mean, at the end of the day, we got to remember, this is a sport.
This is not the WWE. So to keep putting on the spectacle like it's similar to WWE, at some point, you got to say, man, what these guys do is it's a real, real...
We're in the hurt business.
He has to focus, man.
And I just feel like...
I think Conor's to blame too.
Dana's to blame.
I think both of them just need to talk.
Because if Conor before is bad playing on him, bad playing on Dana, if he just went, dude, listen, I've sold this fight more than anyone, man.
This is nuts.
If I lose this next fight, I'm screwed.
joe rogan
The problem is it sets a precedent now.
If I'm looking at it as a businessman.
If I was a businessman, let's pretend.
brendan schaub
Okay.
joe rogan
I would say this sets a precedent.
You can't let someone decide what press they do and what press they don't do.
Like, you have an obligation to fulfill certain responsibilities, like with the media.
brendan schaub
For sure.
Like, create hype.
joe rogan
But the question is...
When do those responsibilities move into, like, a purely digital realm?
And when do those responsibilities only in showing up places, physically, old school, retro, going places?
Because, like, there's nothing wrong with the occasional press conference, right?
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
But also, you could accomplish way more with a few fucking viral videos than you ever could going to some...
Weird interview with two people that aren't MMA fans, and I think he made a really good point about that.
Doing these fucking morning shows that they make them go do, where nobody knows who the guy is or the girl.
They don't give a shit about MMA. They don't want to talk to him the way you want to talk to him or I want to talk to him.
You know, when I'm talking to Conor before a fight, I'm trying to find out what's going on in the head of a guy who's going to engage in one of the most exciting things that I'm going to see all year.
brendan schaub
No, you're not going on a morning show going, how about that cauliflower?
How'd you get that?
Shut the fuck up.
joe rogan
The girls like that!
brendan schaub
Oh, I know.
But Conor's a guy where he's crossed over into pop culture.
He's such a big star now.
A tweet from him will hype the fight.
I guarantee if Conor and Dana had a conversation and Dana was like, alright man, I understand it's a big fight.
Because you gotta remember, if you were to lose this one, now you're losing your golden boy.
The biggest star by far.
By far.
joe rogan
I also feel like...
brendan schaub
So if he could just focus.
Let's just let him focus a little bit.
joe rogan
Well, I also feel like the magnitude of this...
The dilemma that's in front of him and Nate Diaz is also very apparent.
This is not a guy you can half-ass.
And even if you are 100% ready, you've never even fought him at 100%.
brendan schaub
No.
joe rogan
You fought him when he had 11 days notice when he'd been drinking in Mexico.
I mean, he posted photos...
brendan schaub
It's a terrible matchup, man.
And then you want to fly him on a plane.
Did anyone think...
Man, alright.
joe rogan
We're three months away, though.
brendan schaub
Okay, but still, Conor's exhausted, man, from doing all this stuff.
And also, I see some fighters go, it's our obligation to do these press conferences.
Slow your roll, homie.
You're not Conor McGregor press conference.
That's a big difference.
And a loss to him, you're talking millions.
And the UFC, if I'm looking as a businessman, I go, alright, alright, man.
He's going to do a press conference, but we're going to come to him.
Did anyone think to do that?
joe rogan
Well, first of all, Conor is one of the most charismatic guys seriously of all time in all sports.
No doubt about it.
I mean, he is a fucking marketing machine.
Like, they're just the quotes and his style and the way his flair.
brendan schaub
I don't mean to interrupt you, but his tweet is the biggest tweet by an athlete this year.
Beat Kobe Bryant's retirement tweet!
And you want him to go do a fucking interview for ESPN while they don't know the sport?
Oh, I watch ESPN every morning.
They were talking about LeBron James, the playoff game tonight.
They interrupted this shit with breaking news, talking about Conor's not retiring.
That's how big he is.
Now, the PR team at UFC could not get this.
They could not get this sort of attention, even if they want to.
Conor can.
It's a different age, man.
Those old interviews, those old press conferences, you have a legit fucking superstar man who makes more money than anyone.
The highest gates.
joe rogan
Totally forgot what I was going to say.
I had a serious point.
brendan schaub
Sorry, brother.
joe rogan
It's okay.
brendan schaub
Sometimes I just go.
joe rogan
You have all good points.
All valid points.
brendan schaub
And I get there's contracts.
I get stuff like that.
But there has to be where you can't have a pissing contest.
You can't say, well, we're going to run it like a business this time and then not this time because it's good for the company.
With Conor McGregor and this big of a fight, if he wins this, dude, you know how much more money you're going to make?
Not the fucking press conference.
joe rogan
Well, you're absolutely right.
He's one of the most charismatic guys of all time.
unidentified
But...
joe rogan
Nate Diaz right now is goddamn gigantic.
Not as big as Conor.
He's not as big as Conor.
brendan schaub
Not even close.
joe rogan
But he's goddamn gigantic.
He's huge.
brendan schaub
See what happens if Conor doesn't fight.
joe rogan
That's part of that fight.
Part of that fight is that Conor is also fighting another mercurial superstar character.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
Especially now, after the first fight.
brendan schaub
I agree, Joe, but let's say Conor doesn't fight at USC 200 and let's say Nate fights Woodley or Robbie Lawler.
Let me know how those ratings go.
Let me know if you even break.
joe rogan
He's not going to fight at 170, I don't think.
brendan schaub
Alright, let's say at 155, let's say he fights Dos Anjos.
Let me know how those ratings go.
joe rogan
It won't be as close.
brendan schaub
It wouldn't even be a quarter of it.
joe rogan
I wonder.
brendan schaub
It'd be close.
Maybe half.
joe rogan
Well, half makes sense, though.
brendan schaub
Maybe half.
joe rogan
Half makes sense, but half would still be pretty spectacular.
brendan schaub
You know what?
Not even half.
I'm being generous.
I love Nate Diaz.
joe rogan
He's the biggest.
There's no doubt about it.
He's the biggest.
Yeah, well, who knows?
It's all speculation, but here's what's interesting.
They offered the fight, apparently, to Nurmagomedov, but he can't take it because it's only four days after Ramadan.
Yeah.
So he's very religious.
So he does that whole fasting.
I had a buddy of mine, my friend Khan Kalele from back in Boston.
He used to do that shit when he was training.
He would do that.
He would fast when he was training.
It was crazy.
You have certain rules where you're not allowed to eat anything.
How does it go?
You're not allowed to eat anything or drink anything?
brendan schaub
Sun up, sun down, right?
Yeah, sun up, sun down.
I have buddies who do it.
There's no food or water.
Sun up, sun down.
unidentified
That's crazy.
brendan schaub
And at like 6 p.m.
they have this feast.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it can weaken you.
And so Habib said it would be a real problem if you had to fight four or five rounds.
brendan schaub
And I get it.
And I would love to see that fight.
Habib Nagamurdov versus Nate Diaz.
Nagamurdov.
Nagamurdov.
He's such a beast, right?
He's phenomenal.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
To us who are balls deep in the UFC world.
joe rogan
Yes.
No, you're right.
brendan schaub
ESPN ain't covering that fight.
joe rogan
Dude, you should start a promotion.
Look at you.
You're a goddamn promoter.
You know how to do this.
brendan schaub
I'm not.
I've been through it, and when I see a guy like Conor who comes in once in a lifetime, if you think there's gonna be another Conor McGregor, you're batshit crazy.
I think when we invest in...
Ah, it's the UFC. They keep going.
I think you're crazy.
I think Conor's a special dude.
And I think there's a few others.
I think Brock Lesnar was.
I think Ronda is.
There's very few players.
joe rogan
Is it possible that this is a calculated gamble based on not thinking he has enough time to prepare for Nate?
brendan schaub
No.
I don't think so.
joe rogan
Impossible.
So this is just a matter of...
Digging your heels into the ground and saying, there's no way I can do this much.
100%.
brendan schaub
I think he's just like, dude, I'm exhausted.
You want me to go on this world tour?
Can I please get ready for this?
It's not the WWE, man.
Go ask a major superstar, LeBron, and I know it's not the same, but LeBron, any of these guys, these superstars in sports, Ronaldo, go on these world tours, not get paid, sell the fight, but my social media will cover way more than this.
Go fuck yourself.
But we have no one fighting.
He can't say anything.
You say anything, look, he got pulled from the card.
joe rogan
So more is not better.
There's a certain amount.
There's a certain amount you do.
brendan schaub
At a certain amount, you're doing it for the UFC. You're not doing it for the Conor McGregor brand.
You're not doing it for the fighters brand.
You think by him going to ESPN, he's going to get, what, more followers?
joe rogan
Would you think that there's a certain consideration that it looks good to have fighters show up on ESPN? He's been there.
brendan schaub
He's on breaking news.
He's been doing it.
Maybe the week before, do it.
But when he wants to prepare for a camp, and you have a guy of his magnitude coming off a loss, and he's like, man, I really think doing all this press and all this stuff is fucked with my capabilities to be a fighter.
I need to get back to that.
Will you please let me focus?
joe rogan
Makes sense.
brendan schaub
And I've already hyped the fight.
joe rogan
It totally makes sense.
brendan schaub
Well, you can't have exceptions.
No, motherfucker, you can.
Because you do make exceptions.
Because you have certain people in the UFC roster where they pick and choose when they fight or who they fight.
There are exceptions.
joe rogan
Right.
And here's another thing to take into consideration.
One of the most important things that any athlete does while they're in training is get proper rest.
It's one of the most important things.
And what fucks up when you go traveling all the time?
Your rest.
It's the number one thing that wrecks you.
brendan schaub
I mean, think how much you travel.
joe rogan
Dude, I just flew in from Seattle this morning.
I got up at five this morning, flew here, got right off the plane and drove right in here.
Yeah, that's what happens, man.
Your immune system gets jacked from that.
It's not good.
brendan schaub
I think this is great for the sport.
It's a good discussion to have because now future superstars will say, all right, I'm only doing this many interviews this much before the fight.
Doing all this ain't going to happen.
joe rogan
Maybe there's a debate.
Maybe the debate could be held as to what's the amount that you need to do and what's the amount that you should do.
How do you have it set up and what would be the best way for the performance of the athlete, the consideration of their time and focus to put 100% effort into something, not leave anything on the table because they really weren't rested enough or distracted too much because they were doing too much press?
brendan schaub
But who's at help in the end?
The UFC and Dana White?
joe rogan
Well, it helps pay-per-view.
If they have pay-per-view buys and they get a percentage of the buys, it increases pay-per-view buys.
brendan schaub
It helps everyone, but...
It helps everyone.
joe rogan
Right, but if the fighter...
I mean, there should be a direct...
If a fighter has a percentage of pay-per-view, which a guy like Conor does, the more pay-per-view deals, or maybe he does at a title fight, we don't know what his deal is.
So I'm talking out of my ass.
brendan schaub
He gets pay-per-view buys for sure.
joe rogan
I would assume.
brendan schaub
No matter what.
joe rogan
I would assume.
Yes.
So the more press he does, the more things get sold, the more money he makes.
But...
In his point of view, tweets and things that he's doing right now are getting more attention to it than any of these stupid interviews.
brendan schaub
You couldn't pay for this kind of publicity.
joe rogan
And you can't argue with that.
That's absolutely true.
But the question is, there should be a contract, and the contract should state From X to Y, you know, pick a date and time, I would be left alone.
If USADA wants to get me, I'll be up in Iceland, freezing my dick off, throwing sidekicks, come get me.
brendan schaub
See, I think this whole thing is a miscommunication.
I see Dana's side, and I see Conor's side, right?
As a fighter, I definitely see Conor's side.
I think it's just a miscommunication.
I think if before all this came out, if Conor was like, listen, man, I can't be doing all this fucking press.
joe rogan
I guarantee if Dana was sitting right there, it would be no miscommunication.
I don't think he would agree that it was a miscommunication.
I think he would say that Conor just doesn't want to do the press.
And I think that he would say you've got to do the press.
brendan schaub
And to me that's a miscommunication.
joe rogan
But I don't think it's a miscommunication.
It's a disagreement.
brendan schaub
No, I disagree.
And this is why, Joe.
Because I think even though he fought Aldo, he expressed, dude, I need to chill out in these interviews.
He beats Nate Diaz, or he loses Nate Diaz.
Again, he's like, dude, this fucking press is killing me.
So he's been voicing it.
I don't know if his camp has had the discussion with Dana, but at some point...
joe rogan
Maybe they haven't.
brendan schaub
We don't know.
Maybe they haven't.
joe rogan
There's total speculation.
We would say that they would have to sit down and come up with a schedule.
Like, you've got to leave me alone for eight weeks.
brendan schaub
But what if...
Dana and Conor had a conversation right now, man to man, and Conor goes, listen, what I'll do, I'll film videos every day, I'll do this after my practices, I'll put all this social media out for you guys to create this fight.
No one has the pull that I do.
And I can create this many views for you, millions and millions.
No other fighter can.
Don't pay me for it, just don't make me travel.
You don't think Dana and the UFC would agree to any of this?
I bet they'd be open to it.
joe rogan
You know, it's interesting.
Kevin Hart, he was, like, one of the biggest stars in the world.
One of the biggest comedians ever, as far as, like, sales and volume.
Like, no one even close.
I mean, he crushes it.
He sells out, like, what did he sell?
Like, 50,000 plus seats?
brendan schaub
Soldier Field.
It's nuts.
joe rogan
Anyway, that's not important.
What's important is, he's...
He's like gigantic on social media, super active, and he does it all himself.
So if he does a movie, like he'll do a movie, and they'll say, oh great, and you can use your 5.8 million social media followers, and it'll boost up the movie.
And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that's mine.
That's mine.
No, if you want that, we've got to talk about that.
brendan schaub
He's the first guy I've heard doing that, too.
joe rogan
Dude, all the people that were in those movie meetings must have been like, oh, shit.
brendan schaub
Because then The Rock goes, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, because there's a giant difference between a guy like...
The Rock, like, what he can do to sell a movie with social media and the average person, the average actor.
I mean, he's constantly on it.
He has a dedicated, loyal fan base because he's really funny and self-deprecating.
brendan schaub
He's great.
I follow his ass.
joe rogan
Works hard.
So he's showing pictures of his alarm clock.
It says, like, 4.15 in the morning.
He's up there fucking doing deadlifts.
He's an animal, right?
So a guy like that, that's a business on the side.
That's his, like...
He's got a hype business as well as a business to promote himself, but he can also hype things.
brendan schaub
Products, whatever he wants.
He can make money off that, which he is.
joe rogan
Kevin Hart, when he does that, I'm sure he's got it worked.
He was talking about it.
He's got it worked into movies now.
So it's like, oh, if you want a part of the Kevin Hart money machine that I put together, well, you've got to give me something, bitch.
brendan schaub
Why should it not be any different?
joe rogan
You're right.
You're right in that respect.
brendan schaub
As a superstar.
Now, not every fighter can pull that card.
You legitimately have to be able to sell out giant stadiums and be a superstar.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he certainly can.
Especially if you give him the right matchups.
You know, if you give Conor the right matchup at 145, I think...
Honestly, I mean, I'm excited about this Nate Diaz fight because I like watching them fight.
I like watching Nate Diaz fight.
unidentified
Love Nate.
brendan schaub
And I love the attention he's getting.
joe rogan
But if I was in Conor's camp, I mean, I understand that he's obsessed and he wants to get right back at it.
I would say, go fight Frankie Edgar.
Go fight Max Holloway.
Have a rematch with Max Holloway.
That shit would be epic.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
If Aldo, whoever Aldo does it, you know, they mix it all up, fight a rematch with Aldo.
Aldo's been talking mad shit about him.
brendan schaub
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
I think Aldo genuinely believes that he fucked up, and if he gets a hold of this dude this time, he can punish him.
brendan schaub
Which is an awesome fight and an awesome story.
joe rogan
I want to see it!
I want to see it!
brendan schaub
But Connors can't think those fights are still going to be there if he loses Nate Diaz.
I think it takes some of the star power away.
joe rogan
A lot of the star power already got taken away.
brendan schaub
It's too much of a risk.
It's way too much of a risk.
joe rogan
The star power got taken away in that second fight.
Not 100%.
brendan schaub
Not 100%.
He's still the biggest draw.
joe rogan
But he was an assassin before that fight.
Untouchable.
brendan schaub
Floyd Mayweather-esque.
joe rogan
There was something going on.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
When he flatlined Aldo with one punch and then did it like it was nothing and smiled, and I was talking to him in the interview, and he's just saying, you know, no power, no power.
Just put it right where it's been.
brendan schaub
You've never seen anything like it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, the way he gobbled up the pressure and the way he controlled the shit-talking.
brendan schaub
This is the thing, Joe.
We've never had a guy of his capabilities and his mass appeal go, man, I don't want to do this.
Like, everyone else is jumping through these hoops.
I want to fucking train, man.
This is ridiculous.
I'm already big enough.
We've never had a guy really do this.
He's also a guy where I think if he wanted to...
If he was involved with the UFC, let's say Dana, which would never happen.
Cut goes, go do what the fuck you want.
I'm sick you.
Go do what you want.
He could sell out a giant arena in Dublin against Donna 5000 every Saturday.
That's how powerful he is.
That's what I think.
Literally make and just make more and more money.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know about that because I think part of the excitement about him was building up to that Aldo fight.
That was part of the man who would be king story.
Was that he was going to fight the longtime king.
And when he flatlined the longtime king, He reached this level of legendary popularity that happens once in a hundred generations when it comes with fighters.
There's this moment, this boom.
How many guys reached that moment?
Like when he flatlined Aldo with one punch and then it was in 13 seconds and the whole world was like...
He fucking did it.
brendan schaub
The answer is none.
joe rogan
He fucking did it.
brendan schaub
Yes, it's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was epic.
But the luster gets taken off by the Nate Diaz fight.
And if he loses to Nate Diaz, he's got a very good point that, you know, he can't lose because he wasn't given the right amount of opportunity to present or to prepare himself because he had to do all this press shit.
brendan schaub
Like right now, the Conor McGregor fight.
Fan base and guys hugging his nuts, which I might be one of them, but they're going, well, Nate Diaz is way bigger, and he kind of caught him off guard.
And there's a little asterisk, I guess, if you're this Conor guy.
Well, now, if he loses again, there's no more excuses.
We're kind of fucked.
joe rogan
There's no asterisk.
Nate had 11 days to prepare.
unidentified
I'm not saying that.
brendan schaub
I'm saying you could.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm not saying there is.
Nate straight up beat him with 11 days to prepare and sipping Coronas on a boat and came and whipped his ass.
joe rogan
I thought Nate was going to beat him just by, first of all, the size and length and deceptive boxing skills.
That's what I thought.
I was like, this is going to be the first guy that Conor's ever fought that's been in wars with legends.
I mean, he's been in there with a lot of fucking super high-level dudes.
unidentified
He's a monster, man.
joe rogan
He's a monster.
I'm like, this is a big, big fight.
And this is not a fight you want to take, even if he's not ready on 11 days' notice.
You've got to get ready for this dude.
And his jiu-jitsu's off the chain, man.
His jiu-jitsu is at a super high level.
brendan schaub
And he's a chin.
And he's bigger than Conor.
There couldn't be a worse matchup right now.
joe rogan
And he spars with Andre Ward, world champion, and Joe Schilling on a regular basis.
brendan schaub
I know, man.
joe rogan
And his brother, Nick.
unidentified
I know.
brendan schaub
I know.
Gilbert Melendez, Jake Shields.
joe rogan
No joke.
No joke.
Dangerous fucking fight, man.
unidentified
It's horrible.
brendan schaub
It stresses me out.
It's a fucking dangerous fight.
But the guy who we're not talking about in all this is Nate Diaz.
Because even though if Nate Diaz, and you guys can say whatever you want, UFC 200 is still going to be dope.
I get that.
That's all fun and dandy for the absolute fans.
If there's no Conor, Nate doesn't make the same payday.
So he gets fucked, man.
joe rogan
You're right.
brendan schaub
And I want to see a guy like, the dues that Nate has paid.
And remember, the Diaz brothers were the first guys to go, no, fuck that, man.
I don't think it should be done that way.
And you got to appreciate that, man.
In a land full of fucking sheep, they were the first kind of wolves to go, no, fuck that, man.
This ain't right.
joe rogan
Well, they're also the first guys to put a ridiculous emphasis on extreme cardio.
brendan schaub
Yes, and it shows them their style.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, like, Nick doing marathons and triathlons, and I was, it's funny, I keep quoting this, and Nick corrected me the other day.
I said that he swam back from Alcatraz twice.
He just corrected me the other day, he goes, five times now.
brendan schaub
It's fucking nuts.
joe rogan
Five times!
He swam from Alcatraz to the fucking mainland.
They didn't think you could do that.
They didn't think it was possible.
That's why they put a prison there.
Because they didn't think people could swim.
This motherfucker is a stoner.
And an athlete.
He's not even a prisoner.
brendan schaub
Don't lock that dude.
I was going to swim right the fuck out.
If you have a bunch of guys like him in prison.
joe rogan
But how crazy are people these days?
They're doing things for recreation.
brendan schaub
Oh my god.
The only guy who could bring Nate Diaz money is George St. Pierre.
joe rogan
George St. Pierre.
Yeah, I agree.
brendan schaub
Now, I think we might be getting honeydicked if George St. Pierre does happen to just show up at UFC 200. It's like, wait a second.
joe rogan
Well, George has openly said that he wants to go to a camp and decide whether or not he can do it at the end of it.
brendan schaub
He's done it.
joe rogan
Did he go through the prep camp?
brendan schaub
That's what I heard.
joe rogan
When did you hear this?
You got the inside scoop, dog.
brendan schaub
I mean, I know he's been training a shitload.
And I know he doesn't care about belts or anything.
He just wants to take the fight.
You know what the holdup is?
joe rogan
What?
brendan schaub
Reebok.
joe rogan
That's awful.
brendan schaub
Well, your George St. Pierre is sponsored by Under Armour, and then how many fights do you have?
And Reebok's like, yeah, here's whatever, 50 grand, where are these Reebok pumps?
He's like, what the fuck?
No, man, I'm George St. Pierre.
So he's saying either the UFC has to make up for it in his purse, or Reebok has to make up for it.
So I think it's a money thing right now.
joe rogan
Really?
That's what you hear?
Is this an inside scoop?
brendan schaub
I don't know, man.
joe rogan
I think we just scooped the shit out of this story.
unidentified
I don't know.
brendan schaub
That's what I hear.
joe rogan
Well, I've been hearing rumblings of negotiations.
But, you know, it's one of those things you don't want to hope.
You want to just wait.
But also...
brendan schaub
He's the only guy who can save the card.
joe rogan
Well, he would most certainly save the card.
Oh, my God.
unidentified
You know what would be crazy...
joe rogan
Would be him and Connor.
brendan schaub
I mean, that's fucking nuts.
Him and Connor at Madison Square Garden?
joe rogan
There's not enough seats there.
brendan schaub
No.
They'd be full of just fucking...
joe rogan
GSP versus Connor.
brendan schaub
It'd look like the Oscars.
It'd just be a crowd full of celebrities.
Regular folk couldn't afford the tickets.
joe rogan
Especially if you'd get angry GSP. GSP that wanted to punish BJ Penn, GSP? I think it's going to be tough to bring him out.
You talking about Rush?
brendan schaub
You talking about Rush?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Yeah, man.
He was a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Oh, GSP was one of the weirder guys because he was such a nice guy at all times.
But when guys fucked with him, there was this switch that would go off in that head and he would go on seek and destroy mode.
And he was so good at it, man.
When he fucked up BJ, he fucked up Fitch.
You watch those fights and you just go, that is arguably the greatest welterweight of all time.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
I mean, his ability to mix up the strikes and the takedowns.
We never knew what the fuck was going on.
His constant victories and the scrambles.
And the BJ fight, too, where he was punishing BJ. He wanted to punish him.
And when he beat him down and didn't stop him, and then walked over to the wall and fucking punched it afterwards.
brendan schaub
That's the motherfucker that we need.
Now, does he come back, or do we get that safe GSP? Because a safe GSP versus Conor, I'm not trying to see that.
joe rogan
There's a long time gone.
Who knows?
Who knows?
brendan schaub
We're talking about GSP and BJ Penn's coming back, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, I'm excited to see what that looks like.
BJ's fighting Dennis Seaver, and he's been at Jackson Winklejohn's camp for quite a while now.
So I'm assuming they're not letting him cut any corners.
brendan schaub
Oh, no.
joe rogan
They're really running him through the real paces.
brendan schaub
Yeah, if you're at Jackson's, there's no cutting corners.
If you do, you're just getting your ass mollywhopped in there.
You wouldn't be there that long.
joe rogan
Right.
brendan schaub
You'd get back on a plane and go home.
joe rogan
And why would he...
I mean, he's been living out there for quite a while now.
brendan schaub
From Hawaii to Albuquerque?
He'd better be pretty legit.
joe rogan
GSP negotiating UFC return, but Reebok deal considered as a roadblock.
There's a story.
brendan schaub
Hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah, man, I don't know.
Just, this whole thing bums me out.
brendan schaub
It's complicated.
joe rogan
Yeah, we'll see.
We'll see what happens.
But man, that would be the 200 to end it.
brendan schaub
Well, I think you save him for a masculine square garden.
joe rogan
Fuck 200. Do you think that would be Nate versus GSP if Conor doesn't do the card?
So Conor's not on the card anymore.
brendan schaub
Well, today he said, I'm down to fight.
He even goes, I will fly to New York and do a press conference, but then I gotta go back.
So he's giving a little wiggle room.
I think it's time to drop the egos, come to an agreement, and save 200 and let Conor fight Nate.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, is Brendan Schaub the reasonable one?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
How is this possible?
Dude, how is this possible?
brendan schaub
This fucking ketogenic diet!
joe rogan
The Keto Kid!
He's super positive!
He's clear-minded!
unidentified
I like everyone!
joe rogan
Alright.
brendan schaub
Is that Dana attacks?
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
It'd be interesting.
It'd be interesting.
We'll see if he can work it out.
brendan schaub
I hope so, man.
joe rogan
We'll see.
He's a fun guy, man.
brendan schaub
It's made it fun, though.
joe rogan
Stylistically, though.
brendan schaub
You can't pay for this publicity.
joe rogan
Stylistically, that's not a good fight for him.
brendan schaub
Nightmare.
Yeah, I'm nervous for him.
joe rogan
It's not a good fight for him.
brendan schaub
And I'm happy for Nate.
Like, I like both guys.
I'm happy for Nate.
He's finally getting the credit he deserves.
He's coming out of his brother's shadow.
Like, we want this, man.
joe rogan
To be announced.
To be determined.
unidentified
To be determined.
joe rogan
That is the big fight.
brendan schaub
See, that rest of the card, don't get me wrong.
There's some phenomenal...
Are you kidding me?
Phenomenal fights.
joe rogan
It's an amazing card.
Look at this.
Look what's on the card here.
First of all, Aldo versus Edgar.
I can't wait for that.
I can't wait for that.
I want to see what Frankie can do now, the new and improved Frankie.
brendan schaub
Me too.
joe rogan
And then Aldo, I feel like, has declined a little bit.
I think the Chad Mendes fight, the second fight...
He didn't look as good as he had looked in the past, and then obviously he's coming off of a big loss.
brendan schaub
That's my favorite fight of all time.
joe rogan
It's a great fight.
And Tate versus Nunes?
Come on, son.
brendan schaub
Jesus Christ.
It's not a needle mover, but yeah, it's a fun one.
joe rogan
It's a needle mover in my mind.
My needle's moving right now.
brendan schaub
My meat always moves for Tate.
joe rogan
In my mind.
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
That's what we're talking about, bro.
Okay, so that's a good fight.
That's a very good fight.
Nunes is super dangerous, especially in the early rounds.
brendan schaub
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
She tends to tire a little bit.
She tends to tire a little bit.
She blows it out.
But goddamn, she's got some pop.
She's got a serious right hand.
Real dangerous Muay Thai.
Then you got Travis versus Kane.
brendan schaub
That's a motherfucker of a fight.
For heavyweight?
That's a motherfucker.
joe rogan
Damn, that's interesting.
brendan schaub
The thing to me with Kane, it's like, at what point do all these injuries and him come back, at what point do we see him age?
Like we've seen Rashad, right, come back from injuries?
Rashad doesn't look the same.
There's sometimes when guys come back, you're like, ah, fuck, that's not the same guy anymore.
At what point do we see Kane not come back?
joe rogan
It's true.
brendan schaub
But Kane's a motherfucker.
If he does come back, good luck.
But again, stylistic-wise, Travis Brown's a motherfucker for him.
Great takedown defense, obviously great at striking, and he's huge.
joe rogan
He's a big boy.
He's a big boy.
brendan schaub
Explosive too.
joe rogan
Very fast.
Very good striking.
Long, wide base.
Good footwork and movement.
Hits hard.
That's a good fight.
It's a real good fight.
brendan schaub
I didn't think he looked great in the Mitrione fight.
joe rogan
No, that wasn't the best fight for him.
But neither was the Arlovsky fight.
That was a more disappointing fight, I think, for him.
brendan schaub
When he got knocked out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
But even the Trash Brown one.
joe rogan
It went down.
brendan schaub
Even in the Mitrione one, because we saw him for longer rounds.
I was like, meh.
Not crazy.
And then you get a guy like Kane, man.
You're talking about a different motherfucker.
joe rogan
The Travis Brown-Mittreone fight was just so unfortunate because the eye pokes.
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
It was so fucking unfortunate.
brendan schaub
Matt was doing well in the first round and we got poked in the eye.
It was a little tough.
joe rogan
It was bad, man.
I mean, his eye was horrific after the fight.
brendan schaub
Oh, the way they handled that whole thing fucked, Matt.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he's got a lawsuit, doesn't he?
brendan schaub
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
Didn't he fire a suit?
And he should.
brendan schaub
But again, I don't know how that fight even goes down if they go three rounds.
I'm not saying Matt would have won that.
Travis definitely won the fight.
joe rogan
No, it was a great fight up until that moment, but whenever a guy gets poked in the eye, the outcome is marred.
brendan schaub
When you're fighting a monster with one eye, it's going to be a tough fucking night.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
But I tell you what, I don't mind Travis' shot here against Kane.
I don't think he's that big of an underdog.
I don't know what the odds are, but Travis has that one-punch knockout power in his knees.
joe rogan
Yeah, we really don't know how much, like you said, of a toll all these injuries have taken on Kane in the time off.
We only saw him in that one fight with Verdum where we blamed it, and he did as well, on the lack of training at altitude, which makes sense.
brendan schaub
Look at my face right now.
joe rogan
You don't buy it?
brendan schaub
Fuck no.
That's how many dick in its finest.
You don't get to his level and be like, altitude!
I got tired of his altitude.
Bitch, you knew for four months we were going to be fighting at that altitude.
joe rogan
You're a world champion.
But he's always been known for his cardio.
Maybe he just overestimated his own cardio.
Is that possible?
brendan schaub
You don't think anyone in his camp was like, man, that's pretty high up there.
We should probably go early.
joe rogan
Well, Javier said that it was his fault.
He said, I should have forced him to go early.
You know, sometimes guys just don't want to leave.
brendan schaub
I think he just got beat by a better guy, man.
joe rogan
Could be that, too.
brendan schaub
I don't buy that shit.
joe rogan
Could be that, too.
He definitely looked tired.
brendan schaub
He's one of the greatest of all time.
joe rogan
100%.
brendan schaub
Just had an off night.
joe rogan
Well, Verdum is a big dude.
He's tall and long, and his striking has come a long way, and his jiu-jitsu is the best in the business.
brendan schaub
He's also the worst matchup for Kane, I think.
unidentified
He's a terrible matchup.
brendan schaub
Stylistic-wise, he's a bad matchup.
joe rogan
He just got beat!
Yeah, you take him down, you're going to get strangled.
brendan schaub
Good luck with that.
And he's also not going to knock him out.
So you've got to force it.
And Verdum can jump to guard, jump half guard.
It's a horrible matchup for him.
So yeah, he lost.
Who cares?
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm really bummed out that we didn't get a chance to see the rematch.
I really wanted to see that rematch.
brendan schaub
You're going to see it after this.
joe rogan
Maybe.
brendan schaub
It's a big maybe.
joe rogan
Who the fuck knows?
A huge maybe.
This is a huge maybe.
brendan schaub
Huge maybe.
joe rogan
And you know what, man?
brendan schaub
When I saw that fight, I went tough fight for Kane.
joe rogan
And Stipe is a tough fight for anybody, man.
Stipe is going to fight Verdum.
That's a tough fight for Verdum.
Stipe's no fucking joke, man.
brendan schaub
He's no joke.
Him and...
Yeah, no joke.
The odds are stacked against him flying down to Brazil and fighting Verdum.
joe rogan
Yeah, the odds are stacked against him.
brendan schaub
That's a tough place to fight.
joe rogan
But he's a geared up dude.
He's ready to rock.
And, you know, coming off of that big one-punch knockout of Orlovsky, he looked good in that fight.
brendan schaub
He looked great.
joe rogan
He looked good and he looked angry.
brendan schaub
I'm a steep A fan.
joe rogan
He's got momentum behind him.
Good dude.
I'm looking forward to seeing that.
And he will go to war.
We saw that in that five-round fight with Dos Santos.
With JDS. I mean, he took Junior Dos Santos to the edge.
That was a fun fight.
That was a wild-ass fight.
brendan schaub
It's a great fight.
It could have went either way.
joe rogan
It could have went either way.
So I think that he's right up there, and I think that's a really interesting fight.
I'm looking forward to seeing that.
But put up that cardigan, because there was some other shit that we wanted to talk about.
Look at this one.
Mousasi and Brunson.
People didn't bring that up.
brendan schaub
Your boy Hendrix needs to win so bad.
God dog.
joe rogan
Yeah, he does, man.
And that's a tough fight, too, man.
Kelvin is going to be coming at him, guns blazing.
brendan schaub
Because he lost to Magni last fight.
joe rogan
And then also, Hendrix, getting stopped by Wonderboy, is going to charge Kelvin up.
brendan schaub
True.
joe rogan
Kelvin's fleet, too, man.
He's very fleet of foot, you know?
He's got excellent footwork.
brendan schaub
It's a tough matchup, man.
If fucking Johnny comes with his A-game, it's a rough night for Kelvin, I think.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it could be.
Or who knows, man?
Kelvin could realize that he's got to bring it up to 10 constantly in camp and reach his full potential, and that this is an opportunity to really erase the Magni fight.
And to get a victory over a former world champion, I mean, that's gigantic.
Then look at this.
You got Diego Sanchez and Joe Lozon.
brendan schaub
Got that throwback, son.
We call that Throwback Thursday matchup.
joe rogan
This is the better fucking clean the canvas special.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
There's going to be some blood in this fight.
Some chaos.
brendan schaub
It's early, too, so all those other guys are going to have to walk around that blood.
I used to hate that.
When there's a bloody fight before and there'd be blood on the mat.
And, you know, when you first get in, you take that lap around the hot guy.
I'm like, God damn it.
joe rogan
You know what they do during the fox fights?
They spray paint over the blood.
brendan schaub
Tight move.
joe rogan
Dude, it's gross.
We're sitting there doing the commentary and talking about some stuff, and they're spraying like full-bore paint booth, like doing a Chevelle.
Ten feet from us.
I'm not exaggerating.
brendan schaub
That's like that blood sport when there's blood.
He's like scraping the mat and then the next guy comes out.
joe rogan
Dude, they spray paint it.
They walk around and spray paint over the blood.
And you're like, are you fucking shitting me?
And everybody, like the camera guys are covering their faces with shirts and walking away.
brendan schaub
I feel like there has to be a better solution.
joe rogan
Well, it's probably illegal.
Like, you have to have masks on and stuff for that shit.
You can't just blow it into the crowd.
brendan schaub
Secondhand fucking chemicals.
joe rogan
There's 15,000 people sitting in the audience.
They're like, well, what's really important is we deny what we're involved with.
unidentified
That is weird.
joe rogan
So let's do a little spray paint on this blood.
We don't want to see any blood.
Blood's inside of everybody and we need blood to stay alive.
That is weird.
Sometimes it's a bloody business, but we don't want to look at it.
brendan schaub
That is weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're like airbrushing nipples over there.
Stop it.
jamie vernon
Did you say that's only on Fox or on pay-per-view or it happens all the time?
joe rogan
Oh, it's only on Fox.
brendan schaub
It's only on Fox.
joe rogan
Yeah, they would never do it on pay-per-view.
The UFC knows exactly what it's selling.
brendan schaub
For sure.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're not scared of some blood.
unidentified
They're not trying to hide it.
brendan schaub
As a matter of fact, some people like it.
joe rogan
Fox shouldn't be scared of it either, man.
brendan schaub
No, you got in bed with hiding.
The sport is fantastic.
Yeah, blood's gonna happen.
joe rogan
You got in bed with the most exciting sport in the fucking world.
brendan schaub
Hits happen.
unidentified
Suck it up.
joe rogan
Just a little bit of blood.
Don't worry about it.
And during Fox fights, I'm not supposed to talk about blood as much.
I'm supposed to take it down a notch.
brendan schaub
I feel like they fucked up telling you that.
See, there's a little thing in me that goes, yeah, do the blood, fucking go.
joe rogan
Well, I shouldn't, I mean, there's no need to exaggerate it, and there's no need to dwell on it, but if it's overwhelming.
brendan schaub
What if there's a cut on the guy's eye, and you're like, that blood's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
Well, also, the descriptives that I, this is what I believe, the descriptives that I use during a fight have to match how I feel about the moment.
That gives me...
I'm giving a better narrative of what I think is going on in the fight.
When I see Diego Sanchez's face hanging off of his head as he's chasing after Martin Kampman, and I say, this looks like a scene from a horror movie.
That's because that's what it really feels like to me.
And if I don't say that, it's probably not...
I'm not doing my job as well.
brendan schaub
You're doing the fans a disservice.
You're also not...
I mean, that's why we love listening to Joe Rogan.
If you start fucking honeydicking...
But he can't do it on Fox.
joe rogan
Fox doesn't want that.
brendan schaub
No, you're going to do it.
unidentified
Fox isn't going to work on that.
I have to wear a condom.
joe rogan
This is Fox.
brendan schaub
Joe, we need a tuxedo in a condom.
joe rogan
Have we worn our Fox condom?
brendan schaub
It's hilarious.
joe rogan
Look, it's not anti-Fox.
I'd love that they have the UFC on.
I think it's amazing.
brendan schaub
Oh, it's great for the sport.
joe rogan
I just think you've got to stop spray-painting me.
Stop making me breathe that shit in.
And the poor camera guy's five feet in front of me.
brendan schaub
He's taking that shit.
joe rogan
He's taking it right in the face.
brendan schaub
He has to.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
brendan schaub
I see the lawsuits coming.
joe rogan
No, why would the lawsuits come?
brendan schaub
In ten years if someone's fucking...
joe rogan
Prove it.
Just don't do it anymore.
Just don't do it anymore.
brendan schaub
Do it like the end of the elementary.
You remember when a kid threw up and then that weird janitor came with that orange substance?
It was like, whatever.
It's for like shit the rest of the day.
joe rogan
I guarantee you there's health codes.
I guarantee you.
You can't just spray paint in a room filled with people with no ventilation.
brendan schaub
Dude, no one's seen Bloodsport?
Hire some fucking dude who just goes out there between the rounds and scrubs the mats.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's not good for the crowd.
The crowd doesn't want to see that.
unidentified
Fuck!
brendan schaub
The crowd right now.
Let's get that dude in there.
joe rogan
They're frauds, though, when you start spray-painting the mat.
They're watching it.
I agree.
They didn't put up a curtain.
What's going on behind the curtain?
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
No one knows.
What's that smell?
No one knows.
brendan schaub
We have no idea.
joe rogan
Fucking gray smoke is in the air.
Everyone's coughing.
brendan schaub
Fire's like, we were coughing.
joe rogan
I actually got away from the desk.
I put my headphones down, and I backed away from the desk.
I'm like, what the fuck, man?
I'm healthy, bitch.
I'm the keto kid.
brendan schaub
I'm the keto kid, too, you son of a bitch.
joe rogan
You guys are fucking up the skin.
brendan schaub
Dude, you don't think they could hire like some, I don't know, former fighter with fucking CTE just to scrub the mats?
unidentified
Oh, that's so rude.
brendan schaub
And when he comes out, everyone goes, yeah!
unidentified
That's so rude.
brendan schaub
Like he's a celebrity.
Then he has sponsors on his shirt and shit and he's scrubbing the mats?
joe rogan
This is like Ben Stiller's character in that movie, Tropic Thunder.
Like you could see him having played a guy like this in a movie.
For sure, man.
brendan schaub
Shit has gone bad if you're doing that.
joe rogan
That's awful.
Can you imagine if they had former fighters cleaning the octagon and waving to the crowd with broken hands?
brendan schaub
Oh my god.
Is that Junie Browning scrubbing the mat?
It sure is.
It sure is.
joe rogan
There's certain things that we have to maintain a certain level of empathy and care.
Certain people can't have that job.
Once you're an all-time great, you cannot...
brendan schaub
Oh no, you can't do that.
You can't even interview for the job.
I can't have you.
joe rogan
But you could do it if you wanted to, though.
Like if everybody knew you were okay.
brendan schaub
What if you just had like a super fan?
joe rogan
Like if Randy Couture decided in between fights he was gonna help scrub the mat and he looked up at everybody and he waved and Randy's in great health, you know?
He looked at everybody, waved to everybody and then got down and showed everybody, hey, he's not too big for cleaning the blood.
unidentified
You can't do that!
joe rogan
He could do it if he wanted to do it.
unidentified
No, people would start crying in the stands like, is that the natural fuck, man?
No, because he has overalls on.
brendan schaub
Knee pads?
Start scrubbing the mat and shit?
joe rogan
But what I'm saying is he's still successful right now.
It's not like he's down in the dumps and everybody knows he's doing movies.
He's always doing the dependables.
The Expendables.
Better name.
unidentified
The Expendables.
joe rogan
I mean, everybody knows he's doing well.
So it wouldn't be...
You would say, he's just doing a show.
He's not above cleaning the blood off the mat.
unidentified
Fuck!
joe rogan
What?
brendan schaub
How dare you?
He's at National Treasury, you son of a bitch!
You can't have Randy Couture!
You need, hear me out there, like, dot of 5,000 in that pitch.
joe rogan
Oh, you better stop right now.
Just like everyone's like, yeah!
I think this is racist.
unidentified
What?!
brendan schaub
Just because he's scrubbing the mats?
You can't have Randy do it.
I'll do it.
If Randy does that job, I will fuck that.
Give me that brush.
unidentified
You'll do it too?
brendan schaub
I will rush in there and save the day.
joe rogan
I would do it as well.
I feel like I should do it.
brendan schaub
It's Randy Couture, man.
How dare you take it to Randy Couture?
joe rogan
I was just saying Randy could do it because he's that humble.
brendan schaub
Because of his stature.
joe rogan
Yeah, because of his stature, because he's still...
Well, first of all, if you hear him talk, you would never think, other than looking at his cauliflower ear, you would never think that Randy Couture had a lifetime of fighting.
brendan schaub
No, he beat the game.
He's killing it.
joe rogan
Crazy.
brendan schaub
Handsome devil, too.
joe rogan
And it's not like he didn't lose by knockout a few times.
brendan schaub
No, for the heavyweight.
I mean, he got TKO'd by Brock Price.
Oh, well.
joe rogan
Lyoto Machida knocked him out with a flying front kick in his last fight, remember?
Jumping front kick through the face.
So that was Lyoto.
I mean, he had been knocked out by Chuck.
brendan schaub
Lesnar.
joe rogan
Bad.
Lesnar.
Lesnar was a TKO. But Chuck was bad, man.
brendan schaub
Really bad.
joe rogan
Chuck torqued his head.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, you know, there was two Chuck fights where he lost by knockout.
Right?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
He beat Chuck once and then Chuck beat him twice.
brendan schaub
Correct.
joe rogan
I mean, so anyway, my point is, Randy talks perfect.
When you hear him talk, he's smiling and he seems happy.
brendan schaub
There's a couple guys like that.
So does Tito Ortiz.
He speaks pretty well.
joe rogan
Tito always had a little bit of anxiety on camera that would fuck him up.
There's those classic videos of Tito when he was doing the affliction stuff.
brendan schaub
I'm not saying he's fucking Bob Costas.
joe rogan
That's just anxiety.
brendan schaub
No, I'm just saying he speaks well.
If you have a conversation with him, there's no brain trouble.
joe rogan
There's nothing wrong with him.
No, no, no.
Good point.
And there's a lot of other guys that have been around for a long time that they don't have anything wrong with them.
You know, there's a lot of guys that made it through, and you talk to them, and they seem absolutely fine.
brendan schaub
Have you seen that movie, Concussion?
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
That shit will make you question what you're doing with your life.
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
I watched it on a plane before Brian and I had one of our live fighting the kids, and it fucked me up, man.
unidentified
Wow.
brendan schaub
Bad.
Really bad.
It's crazy.
joe rogan
How much of it is based on reality and how much of it is dramatic?
brendan schaub
I looked into it afterwards.
I mean, you know, obviously for the movies they exaggerate stuff, but as far as the guys dying and the head trauma and stuff like that, that's all real, man.
And the NFL hiding stuff, that's all real.
That's why the lawsuit, that's why all the NFL guys are the lawsuit, because they went, oh no, that's all fake.
It's not true.
There's no brain trauma caused by football, and they hit all this thing.
And by this doctor finding this stuff and trying to reveal it, they were trying to fuck him over, man.
It's nuts.
joe rogan
And that's all real.
brendan schaub
All real.
joe rogan
See, that's where it's crazy, because the NFL is still in business.
Is this guy still around?
brendan schaub
They can't get any bigger.
Yeah, the doctor, he's still around.
joe rogan
He's still around.
brendan schaub
Yeah, but he didn't want to be involved in the NFL. They offered him a full-time gig to help him out, and he's like, nah, man.
joe rogan
Wow.
I need to watch it so I know exactly.
brendan schaub
You need to watch it.
It's fucking intense, man.
I watched it, and I was like, fuck.
joe rogan
Look, football's dangerous.
brendan schaub
I got done.
I just looked at Brian.
Brian goes, what's wrong?
And I went, I'm fucked.
Brian started laughing.
He goes, what are you talking about?
I went, I watched Concussion, man.
He goes, no.
You haven't done that much.
Like, well, 20 years of football.
joe rogan
Don't listen to me.
Don't ever listen to Brian.
Oh, I know.
If you ever think that something might be wrong, never go to Brian.
Because Brian will tell you you're fine.
The house burnt down.
But it's because, you know, it's still the place where the house was.
You can still sleep on it.
You can't.
You're going to camp for a few years.
brendan schaub
That's Brian.
That's why you love him, man.
joe rogan
Some guys have made it through even Super Bowl careers, but it's not a lot.
The problem is when they test former football players for CTE, an alarming number show signs of CTE. An alarming number.
brendan schaub
My only question is, what do you think was going to happen?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I don't think we knew it to this degree.
But at the same time, like, when I would run face-first into another giant man, I'm like, God, it can't be healthy for my brain.
joe rogan
No.
brendan schaub
But, like, the way they talk about a concussion is, if you put, like, a...
Like an apple in a water bottle and you shake it like there's water in there.
That's like your brain.
Where most, like, you know those rams that headbutt each other like a woodpecker?
They have mechanisms in their head that absorb that shock.
Humans don't.
So when we run into each other, your brain is smacking against this wall because we're not meant to do that.
We're not meant to punch each other in the face and run into each other with helmets on.
We're just not built for that.
joe rogan
No, we haven't really developed the ability to absorb punishment, or if we had that ability, we lost it.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
That's possible, too.
Like, if you look at Neanderthals, they were built very different than us.
You know, they were very short and thick.
I think they only were, like, a little bit over five feet tall, and they weighed 200 pounds.
They had these big-ass bones, big, thick bones.
They had bigger brains than ours, too.
So they were built different.
And they were just dealing with shit all the time.
When they find them, they're always finding ones with broken bones and fucking spear points lodged in their spine.
Oh, yeah.
brendan schaub
That's a day in the life of a caveman.
joe rogan
It's not a good time.
But our brains today, like this body today...
brendan schaub
Just floating.
joe rogan
Well, also, you see, like, people are becoming...
They seem like...
Like, if you look at people's, like, bone structure in comparison to, obviously, Neanderthal, which is a different species, but some people retain some percentage of Neanderthal DNA, but you would assume that as people go further and further away from the ancient hominids, the ancient monkeys and stuff, we're getting softer and weaker.
brendan schaub
We're becoming pussies.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're becoming more and more pussies.
brendan schaub
More softer, for sure.
joe rogan
But yeah, we're involved in, like, football is the biggest sport in the, well, definitely the biggest sport in the country.
Not the biggest sport in the world, obviously.
brendan schaub
By far biggest in the country, though.
They own two days.
They own Monday and Sunday, which is nuts.
joe rogan
Not only that, when there's a Super Bowl, it's a fucking, almost a national holiday.
Super Bowl Sunday is like, everybody knows it.
Everybody knows Super Bowl Sunday.
brendan schaub
Everyone.
joe rogan
It's that big, like, the World Series can come and go and people might miss it.
But they don't miss Super Bowl Sunday.
brendan schaub
Never.
But you know what's weird talking about, you know, those Nathandrals, the cavemen?
Yeah, so NFL players are actually getting bigger, though.
The athletes are getting bigger and faster and stronger.
Like, they're getting way bigger.
Like, a 300-pound lineman in 1988, it was like, damn, that's a big boy.
Now, it's like, 300, bitch, get out of here.
You better go step your game up.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wonder what that is.
What are they testing for?
brendan schaub
Do they test for shit in the NFL? Yeah, but usually it's once a year.
joe rogan
Once a year.
brendan schaub
It depends.
Unless you've been caught before, then you're in a program where you're getting tested all the time.
joe rogan
But why would they catch them?
Why would they try to catch them?
brendan schaub
Because you're an idiot.
I agree.
joe rogan
What are they trying to prove?
brendan schaub
Same thing.
The sport is safe.
Look, we're testing everyone.
joe rogan
Shit, but that just makes you recover slower.
You know, it's...
brendan schaub
It's a weird dynamic.
joe rogan
It is a weird dynamic, because you want people to be gigantic.
brendan schaub
No one talks about this, and I know the WWE fans are fucking ruthless, but how many WWE athletes die?
Like, Chyna just died, what, last night, two nights ago?
Remember the big girl Chyna?
She just died.
It's kind of alarming, because there's not a ton of them, right?
But when they get older, they die.
joe rogan
Where did Chyna die from?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think she was...
How old was she?
brendan schaub
She died in her house.
joe rogan
45, I believe.
brendan schaub
Not that old.
joe rogan
She was on Fear Factor.
brendan schaub
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Before she was big or like as a celebrity?
joe rogan
No, she was big, man.
She was a celebrity.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
What's she doing on there?
joe rogan
She did some gross shit.
brendan schaub
Eating like snails and ass.
joe rogan
But she did one thing and after she got out of this thing she goes, Who's the man?
brendan schaub
Oh, fuck.
joe rogan
She flexed.
She made the most muscular.
brendan schaub
That's the least sexy thing I've ever heard in my life.
joe rogan
Well, she wasn't trying to be sexy.
brendan schaub
I'm just saying, as me.
joe rogan
Victorious.
brendan schaub
Victorious.
Who's the man?
joe rogan
She went into porn.
You remember that?
brendan schaub
I do remember that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
As She-Hulk Triple X. Yeah, that was, whoa.
Well, I know the title.
I have no idea.
Don't ask.
joe rogan
Well, I think when people don't have a whole lot of options, they start getting real desperado.
They don't know what to do.
brendan schaub
That would be El Desperado.
unidentified
Doing She-Hulk Triple X. Oh, is this her?
brendan schaub
Oh, that's you and her, son.
joe rogan
Look at her muscles.
Look how skinny I am.
brendan schaub
I feel like she would have fucked you up back then.
joe rogan
I'll fuck her up.
brendan schaub
You're too quick in life.
joe rogan
Rest in peace.
That's sad, though, man.
So, let's find out what happened.
Was it pills?
brendan schaub
They don't know.
jamie vernon
I'm trying to find it out.
brendan schaub
They don't know, man.
joe rogan
She was super nice, man.
Real friendly.
She was a real nice person.
brendan schaub
Yeah, she followed me on Twitter.
joe rogan
Nice to everybody.
Like, on the set and everything like that.
brendan schaub
That's a bummer, man.
But I think it's a conversation to have.
Like, the substance they put in their bodies, and you look at their schedule being on the road 300 days a year, constantly falling up or down or something.
I know it's not a legit sport compared to the NFL, UFC stuff, and NBL, all that stuff, but you gotta talk about it, because these guys are passing away, but there's no regulatory, no one's making sure, there's no commission.
joe rogan
Well, they're certainly athletes, but I think a lot of people think of them as athletes more of a Cirque du Soleil type thing, like they're doing a performance, than they think of them as competitors in a sport, so they don't look to try to regulate it or change it.
They look at it as sort of like an entertainment thing these people are doing.
brendan schaub
You know what I'm saying?
I'm with you, man.
I'm with you.
But they're taking some performance enhancing supplements that a lot of the pro athletes are taking even more so, I think, because their schedules are way crazier.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, no doubt.
brendan schaub
So when they pass away, I think there has to be some sort of Plan in place, I think.
joe rogan
Well, the problem is she hasn't worked for them in a long time.
That's one.
And the second thing is if she was doing pills or she was abusing any other substances, they're not really responsible for that.
We don't know how much of what she was doing she was doing just because she was into recreational drugs.
There was obviously some steroids involved.
brendan schaub
I'm referring to the steroids, Joe.
joe rogan
Oh, you think that did it to her?
I think it was a pill thing.
brendan schaub
I don't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I'm pretty sure she overdosed, dude.
brendan schaub
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
Well, I'm not saying she overdosed on testosterone or something.
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
I'm just saying what they do with their bodies.
She was on pain pills.
brendan schaub
Oh, yeah, I'm sure.
joe rogan
I'm pretty positive.
That's what they're saying, right?
A lot of people were saying that, right?
jamie vernon
She was on an opium gym not too long ago.
She had just came back from Japan, where I think she'd been living for the last couple years.
brendan schaub
Oh, teaching English.
jamie vernon
Yeah, just getting away from the craziness of America.
She was just coming back to get back into life and entertainment.
brendan schaub
Damn.
jamie vernon
She was found dead after not talking to anybody for six days or something like that.
brendan schaub
She went dark.
That sucks, man.
I just think it's something to look into with the WWE guys.
It's a discussion to fucking have, at least.
joe rogan
Well, I'm sure they must be having it.
It's a giant organization.
unidentified
You don't think we should have had it after Chris Benoit?
joe rogan
Again, there's one of those guys who goes off the rails like that and does something horrific.
And you gotta wonder, like, was that in that guy anyway?
Did he have issues already?
Did it have something to do with wrestling?
Did it have something to do with substance abuse?
brendan schaub
Concussions.
They get a shitload of concussions.
joe rogan
It could be a lot of different factors.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
It's definitely something to look into, but it's so rare that someone goes that far off the rails like he did.
brendan schaub
Oh, I agree.
I'm just saying let's look at what they're doing to their bodies and have a discussion about it maybe to make it safer to prevent it from happening.
That's it.
I'm not saying it's an epidemic.
I'm just saying a lot of these guys are fucked.
joe rogan
What are you, Captain Save-A-Ho over here trying to save everybody?
Do people want to do flips off the top rope?
Possible overdose or natural death.
brendan schaub
Natural at 46?
No one finds that fishy?
joe rogan
That doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
Dead on her bed after receiving a call for...
Oh, okay.
We don't need to read all the rest of this.
She's a very nice person, so rest in peace.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Nice lady.
brendan schaub
Hey, let's at least get it on a good note.
How about your boy Ben Henderson going for the Triple Crown?
Bellator, WC, UFC belt.
Say what?
joe rogan
No one's talking about it.
brendan schaub
Not nothing.
joe rogan
Who is he fighting?
brendan schaub
He's fighting this Russian cat, and I wish I could remember his name.
I've even trained with him, so I'm a bigger prick for that.
But it's a tough fight for Ben.
He's beat better guys, but it's tough.
It's not a walk in the park.
joe rogan
It's just weird that no one's bringing it up at all.
brendan schaub
See, that's the disadvantage of signing with Bellator.
joe rogan
Yeah, Bellator.
brendan schaub
Because imagine if he was doing this in the UFC, he'd be fucking everywhere.
joe rogan
Oh, Korshkov.
Well, you know, what's interesting is I don't even...
I mean, I don't watch half of the Bellator ones.
I don't even watch half of them.
I know they're probably pretty good fights.
brendan schaub
I watch them if they're the major ones.
Obviously, I'll watch Ben, Phil, King Mo, a lot of these guys that I like.
joe rogan
But I'm like, what is missing?
What is missing from even drawing me in?
I mean, I almost feel like detached from it because I feel insulted by the freak show element.
brendan schaub
Me too.
I feel like there's a slap in my face.
I feel like, dude, you set us back, man.
joe rogan
I feel like a dummy for watching it.
brendan schaub
Me too.
joe rogan
Really, right?
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Whereas, like, I don't feel like that if I watch Glory or if I watch anything else, or if I watch 1FC. I don't feel like that.
I feel like I'm getting shit on.
Like, you're putting together nonsense.
brendan schaub
This might sound weird to say.
I almost feel like I'm cheating on the UFC when I watch and I talk about it.
I'm like, ooh.
unidentified
Really?
brendan schaub
Is that weird?
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think it's good to have competition.
I think it's important.
brendan schaub
I agree.
They have the ways to go.
joe rogan
They do.
brendan schaub
Ben's a good step in the right direction.
joe rogan
They didn't have to, though.
They didn't have to.
If they did the right thing and promoted it the right way, they went for big ratings on a couple of these weird fights, which the UFC did too, sort of, in the early 2000s.
unidentified
Oh, early days.
joe rogan
Like when Tank Habit came back.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, there was a few of those times, you know?
brendan schaub
You had to do that back when it started.
joe rogan
They did some fights back then that were, in comparison, silly.
brendan schaub
But people didn't consider a sport really back then.
joe rogan
It was coming along.
But the sport's already established now.
And so they're taking advantage of these old veterans like Hoyce and Ken Shamrock and having that fight.
And it's going to draw in the casual, nostalgic viewer that remembers UFC 1. And they're going to go and they're going to watch it.
brendan schaub
There's no sustainability with that.
It's just not there.
joe rogan
There's no sustainability.
And the other problem is that, for whatever reason, I don't know what the reason is, you're not hearing a lot of noise about their champs.
You know?
And you kind of should.
It's weird.
Will Brooks is a bad motherfucker.
Michael Chandler's a bad motherfucker.
They got some great fighters over there.
Patricky Pitbull's a bad motherfucker.
brendan schaub
Monsters, man.
joe rogan
Very good fighters.
So it just seems like whatever they've done wrong.
brendan schaub
Ben was on ESPN. That's good.
He was on ESPN talking about it.
joe rogan
I'm glad they're giving it some props.
Look, they definitely need, like the UFC could use competition, and I think it would boost the sport, whereas it would make the sport bigger.
I just don't think that Bellator in its current state is competition.
They're taking a lot of fighters that are past their prime, except for Benson.
Benson going over there is the biggest coup, I think.
unidentified
Phil?
joe rogan
Phil's big.
brendan schaub
Phil's not past his prime.
joe rogan
No, but Phil had been beaten soundly by Rumble.
He did have that really good fight against Glo.
brendan schaub
He beat Glover.
He beat Machida.
joe rogan
That's true.
The Machida fight was super, super close.
brendan schaub
Still, though.
He's still a win.
He's beat Gustafson.
joe rogan
That's true.
He strangled him.
Yeah.
brendan schaub
But the thing about Phil is Phil isn't a guy...
Phil's fighting style isn't a guy where you're like, I have to fucking see this.
joe rogan
You say that, but in Bellator, he looked fucking sensational.
He looked like a destroyer.
brendan schaub
Amazing.
joe rogan
He won by stoppage.
unidentified
Amazing.
joe rogan
And maybe he's off to a new start.
Maybe he recognizes the urgency of being in a new organization.
brendan schaub
Oh, he's one of the best fighters in the world.
And going over there, I think, you know, he was the first guy to do it.
I remember texting him going, you got some motherfucking balls.
Good luck, man.
You know, and he's like, he texted me, I'm so scared.
Hell yeah, man.
It's scary.
It's paying off, right?
And now Ben Henderson.
They got Mitrione.
Mitrione's a little older, but at least at heavyweights.
Mitrione could be champion.
joe rogan
So those are three completely legit guys that they've acquired.
brendan schaub
You need a stable.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it would have been interesting if they got Fedor.
It would have been interesting.
brendan schaub
Well, Fedor's playing grab-ass and he's fighting Maldonado.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know what that's all about.
brendan schaub
I might be wrong on this.
You might have to look it up, Jamie.
I think it's on Fight Pass.
joe rogan
What is?
brendan schaub
Fedor might be on Fight Pass, I thought that fight.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Versus Maldonado?
brendan schaub
Risen or Risen is on Fight Pass.
joe rogan
Come on.
brendan schaub
Am I crazy here?
I'm making shit up?
joe rogan
Really?
brendan schaub
I don't know.
This ketogenic diet is just my brain on another level.
joe rogan
It would be funny if you really nailed it.
brendan schaub
But he's been saying lately that he's been in talks with the UFC. And I think he would give it a good go because you look at the state of the heavyweight division.
Everyone's old as fuck.
A bunch of fossils.
joe rogan
But don't you think they put him immediately with Verdum?
brendan schaub
I like that matchup.
joe rogan
I like that matchup too, but I think you have to do it that way, right?
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah, you can't toss him like some young dude.
joe rogan
But what young dude do we even have?
brendan schaub
We don't have one.
joe rogan
No, we don't really have a lot of...
brendan schaub
I couldn't name one, but I'm saying for him, like, there's a resurgence of all these older fighters.
Look at Rothwell or Lofsky, fucking Hunt, Frank Merrigan, he just lost.
But all these guys are old as fuck.
Dude, Fedor, there's hope, my man.
He can still do it.
joe rogan
You never know, man.
brendan schaub
With that skinny fat build, just fucking dudes up.
joe rogan
If he still has that motivation.
brendan schaub
And there's drug testing now.
I'm not saying he did something.
joe rogan
What are you trying to say, bro?
brendan schaub
I hate to piss on the Pride days, but I'm just saying, it ain't the wild, wild west.
We have to see your dick this time.
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't know.
We're just speculating.
brendan schaub
I'm just saying.
joe rogan
It is totally possible.
Guys look different.
brendan schaub
Fights are different.
joe rogan
Does he look different?
Well, he doesn't weight train anymore.
brendan schaub
No, let me know what steroids you were taking because I would never touch him.
Because physically, I'm going for looks here.
joe rogan
But he got thicker again before his most recent comeback.
There was all sorts of posts about it online.
I saw some photos of him training, and he looked thicker.
brendan schaub
Back to the old days, like throwing around logs and shit.
joe rogan
He looked bigger.
brendan schaub
Pretending they were kettlebells and shit.
joe rogan
He definitely looked like he had been doing some weightlifting, because there had come a time in his career where it looked like the weightlifting days were over.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
Like, the early days, he was way thicker and bigger, and then as he got older, he concentrated more on skills and less on strength and conditioning.
brendan schaub
And that's not him.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you need both.
brendan schaub
I think, especially this day and age, but when he was fighting...
Fuck, man.
joe rogan
I think it just put a lot of emphasis on his striking in particular and his ability to explode with combinations.
If you go to the Tim Sylvia fight, the speed of combinations that he was hitting guys with.
brendan schaub
And his hips.
The power in his hips.
It's insane, man.
I think he has a legit shot to do some work in the heavyweight division.
Now, if you're his age and you come back to 55-70, you're fucked.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
But his age at heavyweight?
Hell yeah, son.
joe rogan
What age is he?
36?
brendan schaub
No, he has to be at least 38, 39, right?
joe rogan
Fedor?
We'll find out.
brendan schaub
Him versus Barnett or something?
Throwback, son?
joe rogan
I honestly don't think he's that old.
No?
I don't think he's that old.
39. 39?
Wow, interesting.
brendan schaub
I'm telling you, it's a ketogenic diet.
That's my brain firing, son.
It's like pulling old shit out.
joe rogan
UFC offered Fedor Emelianenko more money than Ryzen.
Probability to fight inside the octagon very high.
Whoa.
Holy shit.
That would be intense.
Why does he have boxing gloves on there?
brendan schaub
Are those boxing gloves?
No, those are just weird.
Those are affliction.
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, wow, they're huge.
Are those affliction?
brendan schaub
Yeah, those are affliction, son.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's just they look a lot bigger than they do.
brendan schaub
Yeah, they do.
It's the wraps.
Dude, can you imagine?
This is almost hard to say.
Can you imagine Fedor in a Reebok kit?
Walking the octagon?
I might buy that Reebok kit.
If it was white and red, would it be the first kit I buy, son?
Or I'd just make my own.
joe rogan
I'd wear a Fedor shirt for sure.
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah.
I used to wear a Crow Cop security shirt.
joe rogan
Did you really?
brendan schaub
Before I fought him.
I bought it online from like Croatia and came like nine weeks later and it was too small but I still rocked it.
Like my belly hung out underneath it but I was like fuck it.
No one really knew who he was.
I used to train that thing all the time.
joe rogan
How weird was it getting a call to fight that guy after that?
brendan schaub
So weird.
Might be the best call I've ever had in my life.
joe rogan
Well, it was one of the best results you ever had in the octagon.
brendan schaub
Might be the best, Joe.
After that, if someone said, hey man, let's just kind of move on from here, I'm like, alright!
If you showed me a crystal ball, alright!
It's alright from here, but I'll just move on.
joe rogan
What do you think of OSP and Jon Jones?
unidentified
Um...
brendan schaub
I think OSP, he's an explosive guy, but man, Jon's just too smart, too long to get caught.
I think, uh...
It's a good, I hate saying this because Ospy's such a good athlete and he's ranked in the top ten or whatever, but it's a good tune-up fight for John.
joe rogan
Wow.
brendan schaub
I know it's fucked up.
joe rogan
The number six light heavyweight is a good tune-up fight for you.
brendan schaub
Light heavyweight is struggling, son.
joe rogan
Well, sort of, but not really.
It's like there's so much possibility there.
brendan schaub
In the top five.
joe rogan
Yeah.
What Glover just did to Rashad, holy shit, man.
That was hard to watch.
It was hard to watch because, you know, Rashad was super tentative and was on the outside.
It was moving away from Glover and Glover just closed the distance and closed the lights.
brendan schaub
Like the Terminator.
There couldn't be a worse matchup for Rashad.
Like I just wish, and I get it, man.
People are like, well, fighters fight.
I get that, man.
But Rashad's stage in his career, sometimes you got to have a man to go, dude, Glover's a fuck.
He does everything better than you right now.
Let's figure something else out, bro.
I mean, you win this one.
Are you going to fight for the title?
Probably not.
joe rogan
I think he's got to take whoever he can.
So look what we got here.
This is what I want to see.
Anthony, Johnson, and Glover.
Come on, son.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Especially after Glover called for it.
unidentified
That's the best fight in the UFC right now.
joe rogan
Yes, please make that happen.
brendan schaub
If there's one fight that could get me to go to a UFC fight, it'd be that.
joe rogan
And by the way, I don't know who the fuck to bet on.
brendan schaub
Me neither.
joe rogan
How about that?
brendan schaub
Me neither.
joe rogan
That shit could be chaos in both directions.
brendan schaub
I think if it goes past the first round, Glover takes over.
joe rogan
Maybe.
brendan schaub
But that first round's gonna be a motherfucker.
joe rogan
That first round is like one of those scenes in a movie where a building explodes and you have to run through the rubble without it hitting you in the head.
brendan schaub
Yeah, son.
joe rogan
You've got a minefield to navigate when you're fighting Rumble.
That's one mistake one way or another.
brendan schaub
If that fight doesn't get you crunk, you're an idiot.
joe rogan
And is Gustafson retiring?
I've been hearing that Gustafson doesn't want to find him.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I saw an interview he did where he's saying he's lost the passion for it, so he came to San Diego hoping he could find it, and I'm not sure if he did.
But when you start talking like that, I want you to look at the top three.
Because Glover, Anthony, and Jon Jones will rip your dick off, and they want this more than anything.
So it's probably time to maybe give it up.
joe rogan
It's interesting that Bader...
Well, I guess Bader beat Ovin St. Prue, so he should be ranked above him.
brendan schaub
True.
joe rogan
And then Rashad...
Shogun's still in the mix, huh?
brendan schaub
Dude, you're crazy if you think light heavyweight's good.
joe rogan
That's just shit.
unidentified
Well...
brendan schaub
That Keto gets me another level.
I didn't mean to say shit.
unidentified
It is though.
brendan schaub
It is.
unidentified
Look.
brendan schaub
Hey, past six.
unidentified
Fuck you.
brendan schaub
Fuck you.
joe rogan
Well, Owens, Rashad, Shogun, Jimmy Manawa.
Jimmy Manawa is a guy.
Jimmy Manawa is a guy that just was not in martial arts that long before he was fighting top-level guys at the MMA. Who are you telling?
He's a sick athlete with ridiculous power.
And I just feel like...
brendan schaub
The game's changed.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
No one gives a fuck.
Because now you have real fighters go, what?
You're fast?
Can't punch out power?
That's cool.
I'm just gonna take you down.
joe rogan
He fought Rumble, man.
When he fought Rumble.
Well, Gustafson stopped him before the Rumble fight in a very important fight.
brendan schaub
Why do they do him like that?
Here's Rumble, here's Gustafson.
joe rogan
God damn it!
I know.
brendan schaub
God damn it!
joe rogan
A double whammy of death.
You're fighting a guy that's boxing you up from another zip code.
unidentified
Fuck!
brendan schaub
I can't get a break while in the UFC, bitch.
joe rogan
And then you fight Rumble.
Dude's got literal nuclear weapons tied to the end of his hands.
brendan schaub
They got Shogun and Little Nog in the top ten.
joe rogan
That's a hard sell.
Especially, Little Nog is a hard sell as a top 10 guy, and that's a good argument.
brendan schaub
But there's no one.
You look at the heavier divisions at heavyweight, I mean, there's fun matchups.
Everyone's old as fuck, though, really, man.
And then you look at light heavyweight, there's not a lot going on outside the top five.
And in the top five, Alexander doesn't even know if he wants to do it anymore.
joe rogan
It's very important.
Yeah, very good point.
brendan schaub
But why do you think that, Joe?
Why do you think these bigger athletes aren't gravitating towards mixed martial arts?
joe rogan
Well, I don't know if it's that or if it just comes in waves.
You know, I think sometimes you have a guy like Jon Jones and they create a bit of a bottleneck because they're so good.
And we can't forget about Cormier, of course.
So just in that alone, you've got Jon Jones and Cormier.
Cormier is as good as anybody in the world.
You've got Anthony Johnson who can knock out a tree.
You've got Glover.
You've got Gustafson.
And who knows what could or couldn't happen this weekend with Ovin St. Preux.
The guys on that list, when I'm looking at them, I'm like, you've got at least one, two, three, four, five, six legit world beaters.
brendan schaub
Six legit, but you're talking about the biggest organization in the world.
After that, it's like, yeah, not much going on.
There's no young talent where you're like, dude, there's no sage Northcuts.
joe rogan
Yeah, but doesn't it happen in cycles and weight classes?
Because there was no one at 185 for a while.
185 was struggling for a while.
brendan schaub
Let me see 185, Jamie.
joe rogan
185. Now you've got, well, once Anderson lost and Weidman came in, now you've got, look at this crazy mix.
And I don't know what they're going to do with Yoel Romero, but what I understand is that he has a very small window where they're going to ban him for.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good for him.
What he did was he was actually honest.
They got the stuff independently off the shelf that he said that he took.
They took that stuff and they tested it and it had low levels of whatever this peptide is that's supposed to grow testosterone in your body or something like that.
So he really didn't take anything that he wasn't supposed to take.
He took something that had something in it that wasn't supposed to be in it and he proved it.
brendan schaub
But Joe, even if you go through middleweight, look, okay, Vitor, he ain't that young.
Bisping, I mean, not young, he has one eye.
Anderson Silva, okay, leg fell off.
Leono Machida, well, older.
Mousasi, Tim Kennedy...
Ladies, like there's not Dan Henderson's in there?
joe rogan
How is Musasi ranked above Uriah Hall when Uriah Hall jumped spitting back, kicked him in the face and stopped him?
brendan schaub
Whoever votes on this thinks it's a fluke.
joe rogan
Those are ridiculous people.
That is a ridiculous ranking.
brendan schaub
They're the ones writing articles that you're speaking about.
joe rogan
You cannot be two steps above a guy when a guy stopped you in your last fight.
brendan schaub
That is weird.
joe rogan
You cannot.
brendan schaub
I wish our boy Tim Kennedy would get a fight.
joe rogan
That's an arrogant assessment of someone's ability in comparison to someone else's ability that's not based on facts.
You have to base individual interactions between two fighters.
You have to base them on facts.
brendan schaub
Yes, it's very black and white.
joe rogan
There's no doubt about it that Uriah Hall proved himself to be the better fighter.
Gegard and Mousasi took him down and controlled him in the first round.
In the second round, Uriah Hall jumped spinning back, kicked him in the face, and knocked him out.
brendan schaub
Yeah, I saw that.
joe rogan
There's no more definitive ending.
This is an insult to him, to have him at No.
10 and have Gegard at No.
brendan schaub
8. The only thing you can do with these riders, because it's basically a popularity contest, right?
If a guy keeps winning, it's a popularity contest.
But the champs, you can't deny it, right?
The champ in 1 and 2, there's no honeydick anymore.
joe rogan
Did you see one Brazilian writer put fucking Notorious MMA? He put him four notches lower after he knocked out Aldo.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Conor.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
How crazy is that?
joe rogan
How the fuck could you do that?
brendan schaub
Well, I don't know, but does anyone take these serious?
But that's why...
joe rogan
But how could you do that?
I mean, you might not like Conor.
You might think that Conor's a brash guy, and he insulted your champion, and he insulted your country, and blah, blah, blah.
And then he smashes him with one punch in 13 seconds.
brendan schaub
You're just not professional.
You can't.
You're fucked.
No one can take your word for anything.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, how the fuck do you drop that guy down four points with a perfect performance?
brendan schaub
Well, I think for the fans, it's like, oh, check it out.
Six versus ten.
Like, it makes the more mainstream.
Like, oh, look at six versus ten.
That's the number six guy in the world versus number ten.
But you can't...
Remember when they were going to do Reebok based off rankings?
And even the fighter's like, what the fuck are you talking about?
And then even Dana was like, yeah, that's some bullshit.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Anderson versus Uriah Hall is going to be very interesting.
That's in Brazil, brother.
That's in May.
brendan schaub
That Brazil card's a motherfucker.
joe rogan
It is stacked.
brendan schaub
I heard the promo on it's sick, too.
It's just a bunch of Brazilians beating people up.
joe rogan
That's an intense card, man.
That's a very intense card.
Look at this.
I forgot about Overeem Marlowski.
Oh, good lord.
brendan schaub
Yeah, look at that Brazil card.
Oh shit, Cyborg.
Leslie Smith, she deserves some sort of award right fucking now.
joe rogan
I know, she's fighting Cyborg.
brendan schaub
She's gonna rip your face off.
joe rogan
What courage.
Why do they have Cyborg no picture on the left but a picture on the left?
brendan schaub
They ain't ready for it.
They're not ready for it.
joe rogan
They're not even ready.
Go back to the other card.
The Orlovsky fight, what card was that on?
brendan schaub
God, that card is a motherfucker.
joe rogan
What card was the Orlovsky fight on?
That's a FS1 card?
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
That's an interesting fight, man.
Whenever I count Orlovsky out, he comes back and wins again.
brendan schaub
It's like the Terminator.
joe rogan
How many times has he been stopped?
It's an insane number now.
It's like a very high number.
He's been stopped a gang of times.
brendan schaub
We don't fight as long as he does, especially at heavyweight, and not get stopped.
Look at how many times has Overeem been stopped.
unidentified
Dude, look at that fight.
brendan schaub
I've seen Overeem get flatlined.
joe rogan
Look at Albert Tumanoff versus Gunnar Nelson.
brendan schaub
That's a great fight.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's a good fight.
Tumanoff is a motherfucker, man.
brendan schaub
Damn, Struve.
Back.
unidentified
Back.
brendan schaub
Bigfoot Silva.
Bigfoot needs to figure it out.
Now that they have this drug test, then it's tough, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's hard out there for a pimp.
brendan schaub
There's a heavyweight.
You see a lot of guys get stopped as part of the game.
joe rogan
Who else is on this weekend?
Go back to this weekend's card.
brendan schaub
That Brazil car is ridiculous.
Leslie Smith with that salty record, eight and six, signed up to fight Cyborg.
joe rogan
I wonder how Cyborg is going to deal with the 140 cut for her first time.
brendan schaub
I think she's going to chew bitches' faces off.
I think everyone should fucking run.
Every girl in the division is like, fuck.
joe rogan
Well, I hope they give her a 145 pound division.
I think she deserves it.
They've had that division in Invicta.
It's an established division.
There's plenty of girls out there that'll fight at 145. And that way she's not dying trying to make the weight.
She's a big girl, man.
brendan schaub
She's a big girl.
The thing is, how many big girls are there?
Is it sustainable?
unidentified
Let's find out.
brendan schaub
Is it sustainable?
joe rogan
Let's find out.
brendan schaub
Can you do that, though?
joe rogan
Gina Carano did it in Strikeforce.
I mean, that was the whole thing.
Or Elite XC. Was it Strikeforce or Elite XC? It was Elite XC. That was her whole thing.
She was fighting 145. Joe, look at my face.
I'm looking at your face.
brendan schaub
You can build a division around Gina Carano when she looks like that.
joe rogan
You can build a division around Cyborg when she's smashing chicks.
You can.
I firmly believe you can build a division around Cyborg.
brendan schaub
Who the fuck's gonna sign up for that?
unidentified
No, you can't.
joe rogan
I wouldn't watch it.
brendan schaub
If she's Mike Tyson, every little girl she runs into, you can't do it.
joe rogan
You can do it.
You can do it.
And you have her keep talking shit to everybody at 135. Come up to me and fight me and my belt.
No one's doing that!
brendan schaub
No one's like, oh, I'll do it.
unidentified
Fuck no.
joe rogan
Shoot box tattoo.
Come on, dude.
She's a monster.
I like it.
brendan schaub
Fuck yeah, she's a monster.
joe rogan
I like giving her a shot at the 145-pound title.
You want to have her fight this fight?
She's going to fight Leslie Smith, who normally fights at 135. You may get a catchweight fight because Leslie is brave enough to take that challenge.
But then...
Create a 145, take some of them Invicta Girls.
brendan schaub
I disagree, Joe.
I think you...
joe rogan
Well, what do you do with her then?
brendan schaub
You make her fight at 140, you compromise.
joe rogan
We don't even know how well her body's gonna handle this.
brendan schaub
Alright, let's say she does decent though, but all your superstars at 135. So then you just do these super fights, a 140. Where Misha could be champ at 135 or 140. And you have this monster at 140. But at least she's fighting Misha Tate and getting that coverage or Ronda Rousey or Holly Holm.
But if you do 145, okay, now we've got to find 145 badasses at 145 girls.
joe rogan
Well, the real interesting fight at 140 is Holly, who's fought as high as...
I want to say she fought at like 150 before in boxing.
brendan schaub
You're right, at 150. I thought it was like 152. So...
joe rogan
That would be the fight, because first of all, she's without a doubt the most experienced striker in all of the UFC, women's divisions.
As far as boxing competition, MMA competition, and kickboxing, I mean, she's a 19-time boxing champion, she's won kickboxing titles, and she won the UFC crown.
brendan schaub
I think she's the only female in the UFC who can beat Cyborg.
joe rogan
See, that would be a fascinating fight because she's got that style of, like, counter-striking and moving away and almost a karate base with a lot of athleticism and footwork, and Cyborg is just a destroyer.
brendan schaub
But what happens when you go forward on Holly?
You get fucking murked.
So a girl like Cyborg coming forward is tailor-made for Holly.
All these other girls?
Enjoy that.
joe rogan
Maybe.
brendan schaub
Enjoy Frank the Tank Brazilian.
joe rogan
I just don't know.
I mean, she's bigger and stronger.
And she can take a punishment.
She can take a lot of punishment.
Do you see the Jorina Barge fight in Lion Fight?
brendan schaub
I did not.
joe rogan
She fought Shorina.
unidentified
Oh, I did!
brendan schaub
Yeah, yeah, that girl's a fucking monster.
She lost, Cyborg lost by decision?
Or did she get TKO'd?
joe rogan
No, she lost by decision, but she got punted in the face.
brendan schaub
Yes.
joe rogan
She got teeped in the face.
unidentified
She got punted in the face.
joe rogan
Barge is no joke, man.
She's one of the best Muay Thai fighters on the planet.
unidentified
Yeah, world champion.
joe rogan
She's so slick.
Her style's so good.
And, you know, she has none of the physical attributes that Cyborg has.
Cyborg's just so strong and so powerful.
brendan schaub
Again, I think it's tailor-made for Holly.
Any other girl is fucked.
joe rogan
Interesting.
I would like to see it, I'll tell you that.
brendan schaub
Any other girls getting her titties ripped off?
joe rogan
I just, I don't want to see, this is what I don't want to see.
I don't want to see Cyborg fight diminish so much from the weight cut that we don't get to see the real Cyborg.
brendan schaub
I don't think she should be enough draw to create an entire division for.
And revamp, because we're trying to build up 115-125, right?
joe rogan
135. See, I think if anybody's going to do it, it's going to be a woman who knocks women out.
I think anybody who's going to bring light to the division, it's going to be someone like Cyborg.
brendan schaub
She's just not young, man.
If she's like a young prospect, I think you invest in it.
joe rogan
It doesn't have to be.
The level that she's at in comparison to the level the other girls are at, she's very high.
The only thing that would change is if one of those Muay Thai chicks started looking at Cyborg and went, oh, really?
Oh, okay.
brendan schaub
That'd be sick.
joe rogan
Okay.
Okay, well this is, you know, she's not going to take you down, most likely.
She's going to try to stand with you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And if these girls, like, really concentrate on the grappling, and they really concentrate, you know, six months sprawl training, you know?
brendan schaub
We're years out from that.
joe rogan
Well, maybe.
brendan schaub
You've got to invest.
If you're going to do it, you've got to invest in that whole training.
But look at a girl like Tiff Timebomb, right?
Right.
She's starting MMA now, you know that?
joe rogan
She's training for MMA. Yeah, well if you know during a prime like Miriam Nakaboto, like someone along those lines, one of the really high-level female Muay Thai champions, they would be merkin chicks in MMA. If they could just keep the fight standing, there's levels out there and there's levels of striking that we just really haven't seen in the UFC and that's with some of the women fighters.
But I think that's what we saw in the Barge fight with Cyborg.
We saw that super, super high-level Muay Thai against the marauding style of Cyborg.
And so I watched that fight and I said two things.
I said, one, amazed that Cyborg has the guts to take that fight because it's a dangerous fight.
Nobody wanted to fight Barge for like three fucking years.
You couldn't get a fight.
And then how about the fact that Cyborg takes tremendous punishment and keeps going after her?
I was thinking, how many other people in this division would fight this girl like that?
brendan schaub
Just Holly.
joe rogan
And keep getting knocked out, keep jumping back up and attacking.
brendan schaub
I agree.
joe rogan
Not a lot of female MMA fighters would have been able to even stand in there in a Muay Thai ring.
brendan schaub
That's what I say, only Holly.
With her striking capabilities.
She's literally the only one.
Every other girl, her head would have been kicked into the third world.
joe rogan
And of course, Jacek, but she's a smaller weight class.
unidentified
True, but she's too small.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
I think the 45-pound division, man, it could open it up.
Women only having two divisions, I think, is weak.
brendan schaub
Well, it takes time, though, right?
joe rogan
Right, but this is the time.
Start the 45. This is the inaugural fight, right?
brendan schaub
I'm not mad at it.
joe rogan
Cyborg goes out, puts on a show against Leslie Smith.
brendan schaub
Knocks her face off.
joe rogan
Or doesn't.
unidentified
Who knows, man?
brendan schaub
Well, she loses.
You don't have a division.
joe rogan
Yeah.
But if she does, if she wins, right?
Boom.
You got Cyborg fighting someone legit for the championship.
Marlos Kuhn comes over from Invicta, right?
She's Invicta, right?
Yeah.
145. Or is she Bellator now?
brendan schaub
Oh, she's Bellator.
joe rogan
That's right.
brendan schaub
She is Bellator.
Her last fight was Bellator.
joe rogan
They scooped her up.
brendan schaub
But I don't think you can do that.
I think you have to do a super fight with Misha or Holly.
joe rogan
Do you want me to keep that on?
brendan schaub
You have to do a super fight with Misha or Holly to create the buzz around Cyborg.
Because the average fan is like, who the fuck is this girl ripping girls' faces off?
joe rogan
Here's another fight this weekend that nobody is talking about.
Whitaker and Natal.
brendan schaub
That's your fight of the night.
unidentified
Ooh!
joe rogan
Robert Whitaker, man, looked sensational in his last fight against Uriah Hall.
I was like, holy shit, this kid is throwing.
He's a dangerous guy.
Interesting what a change it's been for him going up to 185. He just looks so much healthier.
brendan schaub
Way more powerful.
joe rogan
Way more powerful, way more confident, way more aggressive.
It just doesn't feel as diminished.
I think he was just too big for 170. And Natal's a beast.
brendan schaub
Natal's fun to watch, man.
joe rogan
Very dangerous, man.
Real good jiu-jitsu.
brendan schaub
Caution to the win, yeah.
Enzo Gracie guy.
Dude, Rodriguez, though, that's your young buck.
Your up-and-comer young buck.
joe rogan
Yair?
Yeah, Yair Rodriguez and Andrew Feely.
That's another fucking badass fight.
That's a very good fight, man.
brendan schaub
I love watching Rodriguez fight, man.
He's fun.
joe rogan
He's wild, dude.
He's wild.
That guy throws wild...
You ever see him train?
It's hilarious.
brendan schaub
Well, he was at Jackson's for a little bit, right?
joe rogan
There's videos of him hitting pads.
Dude, he does like 360 roundhouse kick, 360 wheel kick, jumping front kick, round kick, side kick.
I mean, the way he mixes shit up is like, who does that in pad work?
But he does it like he fights.
brendan schaub
Yeah, have you seen him go for like knee bars and leg locks and he fucking like flips to them?
joe rogan
Dude, his fucking...
brendan schaub
That's the future, man.
joe rogan
His ground game is no joke.
His ground game is very good.
He's got everything going for him.
He's wild, he's unpredictable, he's young, he's brash.
brendan schaub
Damn, Andre.
joe rogan
He threw up when I was interviewing him.
brendan schaub
He threw up?
joe rogan
He's the only guy I've ever talked to, like in the middle of talking to him.
He threw up in his shirt a little bit, and then he threw up on the ground.
brendan schaub
Damn, that's that cardio, son.
joe rogan
We had a crazy fight.
It was a wild-ass fight.
So that's a good fight.
It's a good card, man.
brendan schaub
It'll be a fun card.
And again, Conor's taking the spotlight a little bit.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he definitely is, and that's just to be expected.
He's, I mean, he's the biggest star in the game right now.
And I hope they work that out for UFC 200. It would be an even better story if they worked it out.
brendan schaub
I bet you they do.
Guarantee they do.
I would almost guarantee they do.
joe rogan
Or they do a GSP-Nate Diaz fight.
brendan schaub
Then we got honeydicked.
And then something smells fishy.
joe rogan
Something smells fishy?
brendan schaub
For sure.
If GSP's like, what?
Hey, I've been training!
joe rogan
What if they come with the cash?
They come with that fucking Reebok makeup money.
brendan schaub
I bet you, I bet you, that Reebok makeup money.
Here's a set of Reebok pumps in six million.
There you go.
joe rogan
Push it in.
brendan schaub
Push it in.
We're all in for GSP 2000. I think, I bet they figure it out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brendan schaub
I bet you Conor ends up fighting a UFC 200. That's what I believe in, and I think Dana and the UFC brass is going to figure it out.
joe rogan
I think GSP and Nate Diaz takes its place, and they use it as a negotiating tool because the pay-per-view numbers are bigger than any of the Conor fights because the UFC has, in fact, grown through their strategy.
brendan schaub
See, I don't think the numbers beat Conors.
joe rogan
What if they do?
brendan schaub
Well, then Conors dealt the wrong hand.
joe rogan
GSP and Nate Diaz, you're like, ooh, Conor fucked up.
brendan schaub
Yeah, Conor fucked up.
I don't think it beats his numbers, though.
joe rogan
So, OSP's best chance for this weekend, he's got to win by knockout.
brendan schaub
First round.
joe rogan
You think so?
brendan schaub
Yeah.
That first round, he's going to have to fucking caution in the wind.
If he tries to sit there and fight on the outside and out technique, Jon Jones, you're going to get fucked up.
joe rogan
It's going to be interesting to see Jon with such a long layoff, too, with a lot of pressure on him.
brendan schaub
This is what I think is going to happen.
It's just me speculating.
And I've trained with both of them.
I think Jon will...
They'll feel each other out early on.
John's going to get a hold of them, trip them down the ground, crucify them, and TKO them with elbows.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
brendan schaub
If I had to bet on, I bet John finished them on the ground.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
All right.
joe rogan
You heard it here, folks.
This weekend, UFC 197. Brandon Schaub, fighterinthekid.com.
brendan schaub
F-F-T-K. T-F-T-K-3-D.com.
joe rogan
T-F-T-K-3-D. That's the new one?
brendan schaub
Yeah, that's the new one.
joe rogan
With the fighterinthekid 3D, your videos that you guys are doing.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
How is that?
Is that fun?
brendan schaub
Oh, the best.
joe rogan
Go watch it, you fucks.
brendan schaub
Yeah.
joe rogan
All right, I'll be back in a little bit with another one.
That's right.
brendan schaub
You're a beast, man.
joe rogan
Another podcast.
brendan schaub
Love you, brother.
joe rogan
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