March 8, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| I'm in a rush today. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| We're live. | ||
| Gentlemen, welcome back. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Welcome back, Joe. | ||
| So, I watched a documentary last night. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| You holy shitted me twice already. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You holy shitted me with bigger, stronger, faster, and now you holy shitted me with prescription thugs. | ||
| It's kind of crazy, right? | ||
| We have a $300 billion prescription drug habit in this country, yet we rank number 50 in life expectancy. | ||
| Makes no sense. | ||
| Well, it all came down to Ronald Reagan. | ||
| That's what's really crazy, when they allowed pharmaceutical companies to advertise on television. | ||
| I can remember when those things first started showing up. | ||
| Well, you know, medicine turned into a business, and when it turned into a business, that wasn't a very good thing for the consumer. | ||
| No, at all. | ||
| No, it's terrible. | ||
| How much further do you think life expectancy has changed over the last hundred years? | ||
| Well, over the last hundred years, I think it's changed dramatically, but I think in the last, like, what, 50 years? | ||
| Probably not so much. | ||
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I mean... | |
| From what I've seen, it's about 20 years. | ||
| Not that much. | ||
| Well, how much would you think it would be? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just think it'd be more. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You hear about modern medicine just being such a big thing and it being able to help you and... | ||
| But we also have a tainted food supply, which we were talking about a little bit. | ||
| That's really hard to get healthy, to be healthy. | ||
| Totally healthy. | ||
| Well, it requires effort, for sure. | ||
| It definitely requires you to pay attention. | ||
| It definitely requires you to watch what you eat. | ||
| And most people don't want to do that. | ||
| But what's stunning to me, I mean, there was a lot of stunning things in that documentary, but the sheer numbers of prescription pain pills that are prescribed in this country every year, That's staggering. | ||
| They said, what was the actual quote? | ||
| That there was enough pain pills to get every single adult human in this country high. | ||
| For a month. | ||
| For a month. | ||
| Around the clock for a month. | ||
| Turn everybody to zombies. | ||
| How fucking insane is that? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what we're doing. | ||
| I mean, a lot of people are just walking around, checked out. | ||
| And, you know, one thing that I didn't know when I was addicted to painkillers, Was it actually two ibuprofen and two Tylenol have been clinically proven to be like twice as effective as opiate painkillers. | ||
| But if a doctor told me as a patient to take ibuprofen and Tylenol together, I'd be like, you're out of your mind. | ||
| Give me the good stuff. | ||
| Yeah, you wouldn't feel he's doing enough for you, right? | ||
| I think that's a mentality that we have, and it's a mentality that I totally admit to. | ||
| If I go to a doctor, I want to get a prescription, but now I've changed that mentality, but that's a mentality I did have. | ||
| Even if you go to a doctor and they give you a prescription of ibuprofen, they give you 800 milligrams. | ||
| Yeah, that's a lot. | ||
| So two is four, right? | ||
| It's 400 milligrams for two ibuprofen and then two Tylenol, which I don't know what the milligrams of Tylenol is. | ||
| I don't usually take that, but... | ||
| I have arthritis really bad. | ||
| I had my hips replaced at 33 years old. | ||
| My ankles hurt every day, everything. | ||
| And the Advil and the Tylenol combination has been knocking it out of the park for me. | ||
| And I actually learned that from doing press for this movie. | ||
| I learned that from Dr. Drew, of all people. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| And how long have you been doing that? | ||
| Like two Advil and two ibuprofen? | ||
| Maybe two months, about. | ||
| And it makes a big difference? | ||
| It just helps me get through the day. | ||
| It helps me be pain-free. | ||
| The other thing that a lot of people talk about that I think just definitely needs to be talked about is medical marijuana. | ||
| Because I'm an addict and I've been through rehab and everything, I don't personally use it, but I think for people that don't have a problem with consuming everything, I think it can be great. | ||
| So you have a problem in the sense that even marijuana, something that's not physically addictive, once you start smoking it, you'll want other things. | ||
| I've only been sober about 22 months, so I just feel like I'm not ready to really take that dive because I might smoke some weed and end up taking some pills and drinking and jumping in the pool naked and going to jail. | ||
| If you just get naked for jumping in the pool naked, I mean, if you get arrested for that... | ||
| Yeah, but that wouldn't be the end of it. | ||
| I mean, it would keep going. | ||
| He and I were talking the other day a little bit about like, you know, everybody wanting to justify their drug of choice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, obviously I've been on performance enhancing drugs for a long time. | ||
| And so everybody wants to justify, oh, it's not addicting or it's not this or not that. | ||
| It is addicting. | ||
| Any behavior that you practice over and over again is going to become addicting. | ||
| You're going to like the side effects to it. | ||
| You're going to like some of the feel to it. | ||
| So everybody I think a lot of times kind of kidding themselves when they're saying oh pot doesn't do anything or you know It's like it's like well it does something it doesn't make you function the best probably you know well it certainly can be psychologically addictive right certainly I mean it helps your functioning in some ways and that's one of the things that people have gotten mad at me for makes you a fucking badass at video games that's for sure it helps you at pool For sure. | ||
| Helps with music. | ||
| Honestly, I think that God put everything, if you believe in God or whatever, but we have a system. | ||
| Everything is put on this earth for a reason. | ||
| They always say, let medicine, hypocrisy said, let medicine be thy cure and the cure be medicine, food be medicine or whatever. | ||
| So food as medicine is something that traces way back. | ||
| So things that are found on the earth that we can use rather than synthetically make, I think it just makes logical sense. | ||
| Well, yeah, it definitely is probably a smarter way to do it. | ||
| I don't think his name is hypocrisy, right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Socrates? | ||
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What's his name? | |
| Socrates, right? | ||
| Hippocrates? | ||
| Hippocrates? | ||
| You're on to something. | ||
| You're close. | ||
| Hippopotamus? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| One of them old dead Greek motherfuckers. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, they're old. | ||
| But the sheer numbers of Oxycontins and pain pills that are being prescribed in this country, I was watching this television show where they were talking about Massachusetts and the problem... | ||
| Oh, it was Anthony Bourdain's show. | ||
| That's what it was. | ||
| And they were talking about all these people that got hooked on pain pills because they got injured from some job-related or something or another. | ||
| The doctor gives you Oxyprescription. | ||
| Your Oxy prescription runs out, or they change the regulations, and then everybody turns to heroin. | ||
| And that's a big problem in this country, where they've changed the regulations. | ||
| And there was another thing that you talked about on your documentary, where they changed the way Oxycontins work, where you can't crush them up and smoke them anymore, and they lost 80% of their revenue from that. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And that's something that just shows you that people are using them recreationally. | ||
| How insane is that? | ||
| Yeah, so that was one of the most staggering facts of the whole movie, I thought. | ||
| But we just came back from the Arnold Classic, and there were some guys deadlifting. | ||
| We went to this pro-deadlift event, and these guys are pulling 700-800 pounds. | ||
| One guy was kind of in almost a 900-pound range. | ||
| But he ran into somebody backstage that said he just saw the film, and he lost his son to, what, heroin, right? | ||
| It started as OxyContin. | ||
| It went to heroin. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| And he told me, he said, you know, I wasn't going to lift anymore. | ||
| I just gave up on everything. | ||
| I saw your movie like a couple months ago. | ||
| I said, you know what? | ||
| I'm going to go deadlift at this pro-am thing. | ||
| And he said, your movie made it possible for me to get over what happened to my son to realize like it wasn't so much his fault, right, as he thought. | ||
| And so I think just stuff like that, like he told me that. | ||
| I was completely fine talking to the guy. | ||
| I walked away, I just started bawling. | ||
| Because I know that you can even affect one person, and that's the power of film and documentaries. | ||
| That's what we're trying to do. | ||
| Well, that guy's on the right track, because he said, now I feel it's my duty to help other people. | ||
| And I think that's the way people need to try to look at stuff. | ||
| We're here as human beings to learn from experiences, and I think we're all put here to help each other. | ||
| Yeah, you can definitely help. | ||
| I mean, if you've lost someone like that, to reach out and find other people who've also lost people and you can help each other. | ||
| And you can also maybe help someone who is maybe thinking or would go down that path and watches your documentary and says, well, there's a real danger here. | ||
| Yeah, the place that I went to, Cliffside, Malibu, I have three people right now that are in rehab there that have contacted me from watching the film. | ||
| And it's really hard to get into a lot of rehabs because of insurance companies. | ||
| And that's another huge problem in this country is the insurance companies, they want to pay for, they expect somebody to be smoking, drinking, doing whatever for 30 years and on wine night in 15 days. | ||
| And that's just not going to happen. | ||
| People need 90 days of treatment. | ||
| If you're going to go to a drug rehab, you need 90 days and So you need 90 days where you're not working? | ||
| 90 days where you're just staying in this place? | ||
| Why is it 90 days? | ||
| Well, think about this. | ||
| You're working, right? | ||
| And you're a drug addict. | ||
| What productive work are you doing? | ||
| Like, let the guy go for 90 days. | ||
| He's going to come back a new person. | ||
| I think that we have to unplug. | ||
| There's no other way. | ||
| I mean, I think that it just leads to an early death, you know, if we don't. | ||
| That's so hard for people, though. | ||
| So many people that have work that need to get money. | ||
| Now, you can get out a little bit, right? | ||
| Like you did, right? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I actually made this movie while I was still in rehab, so there's definitely time to do things. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| You know, you got to look at it this way, like, okay, I can't... | ||
| That's almost like killing people from inside jail. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's pretty talented. | ||
| I can't take 90 days to, like, just completely, like, fix my life, you know? | ||
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Right. | |
| I think, I don't know, I think time is more important, you know, to give the time and figure it out. | ||
| You did need, like, a full 60, though, where you were pretty much total isolation, right? | ||
| The first 30 days, actually, like, pretty much totally, you know, kind of unplugged from everybody. | ||
| You just stayed up there, and what do you do with your time? | ||
| You go to meetings? | ||
| You're in a lot of meetings. | ||
| It's all peer groups. | ||
| You're basically with other people that are addicted to drugs. | ||
| I would say probably 80% of the people that were in rehab are prescription drug addicts. | ||
| Do you know what one of the most effective methods of stopping people from doing drugs is? | ||
| Ibogaine. | ||
| It's a psychedelic ritual drug. | ||
| You can't do it in America. | ||
| It's illegal. | ||
| But they have clinics in Mexico. | ||
| My buddy, Ed Clay, he got hooked on pills and he had a real problem with the same thing, pain pills, and was really despondent and fucked up. | ||
| Went down there. | ||
| Did an Ibogaine ceremony and came back 100% clean. | ||
| And now he runs a clinic down there. | ||
| Any idea what that does for you? | ||
| Well, we could Google it, but there's some sort of an effect that it does where literally it shuts down addiction. | ||
| It's deeply, troublingly introspective, too. | ||
| It explores the darkest areas of your psyche. | ||
| There's something to that. | ||
| I don't know anything about it. | ||
| I'm hearing it for the first time, but just from what I know... | ||
| This is the first time you've heard of Ibogaine? | ||
| Yeah, I haven't really ventured into figuring that out. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I've never heard of it. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's the great thing about doing these documentaries. | ||
| You go and you meet other interesting people like yourself and you pick up more knowledge. | ||
| Now that's something else. | ||
| I go, okay, what is this? | ||
| And go look into that. | ||
| But what you're saying makes a lot of sense because it's all in the brain. | ||
| You create these pathways in your brain that just basically you habituate and you do the same thing that you like. | ||
| And it's the same thing with lifting weights or doing jujitsu. | ||
| That feels really good. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I'm going to go to jujitsu again. | ||
| I'm going to go to the gym again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It definitely makes sense that it's something that will trigger something in the brain to fix it. | ||
| It also, apparently, I haven't done Ibogaine, but the people that I know that have had problems with pills and gone down there and done it, and also people that have also had other problematic behavior that they wanted to correct, it allows you to look at yourself literally for the first time in a deeply introspective, almost abrasively way. | ||
| Not almost. | ||
| But very abrasively in that it looks at every aspect of your personality. | ||
| And that's a huge part of rehab. | ||
| You have to be honest with yourself. | ||
| If you're not honest with yourself, you'll never get better. | ||
| No, I'm sure. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| People that are bullshitting and lying, and that's one of the reasons why it's so important to hit rock bottom, right? | ||
| Yeah, I used to say, I can stop any day. | ||
| My girlfriend said, well, stop. | ||
| And I said, okay. | ||
| And I stopped for seven days. | ||
| And after seven days, I took pills and drank more than I ever did in my entire life. | ||
| Because it was like building up? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I ended up in the hospital, and my girlfriend called my brother, and he was the one. | ||
| He's like, hey, just get him here. | ||
| He was in Sacramento. | ||
| He said, just get him here. | ||
| I actually just moved. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| I got a random phone call in the middle of the night. | ||
| I don't normally answer my phone all that much. | ||
| I just randomly picked it up for some reason. | ||
| It was from Philadelphia or Pennsylvania, right? | ||
| That's where she's from originally. | ||
| And she was just in a total panic. | ||
| I couldn't understand, you know, what she was even talking about. | ||
| I didn't even know who it was. | ||
| She's like, this is Lauren. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't know any chicks. | ||
| I'm married. | ||
| So I'm like, you know, I don't I don't know who it is. | ||
| And then it took me a while. | ||
| Then I finally heard her say, you know, Chris's girlfriend. | ||
| And I was like, oh, shit, you know, what the fuck? | ||
| Is this like the second call? | ||
| Am I losing another brother? | ||
| What the fuck's going on here? | ||
| And then she started to calm down. | ||
| And she said, people don't know your you lost both of you guys lost your older brother to drug abuse. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Mad Dog. | ||
| A lot of people say after they see Bigger, Stronger, Faster, which was the first film that featured my family in it, everybody asks about Mad Dog because everybody in that, after watching that film, worried about him. | ||
| And a lot of times they don't even know that he passed away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some days you're fine handling it because I feel like it's our obligation to kind of talk about it to help other people. | ||
| But sometimes... | ||
| You're just not ready for it. | ||
| It blindsides you, and it just fucking hurts. | ||
| It hurts like a motherfucker. | ||
| Like this week at the Arnold Classic, there were so many things that reminded me of my brother. | ||
| Because he grew up in the wrestling, bodybuilding, you know. | ||
| And he'd love that shit. | ||
| He'd be eating that shit up. | ||
| And then his best friend, Jeff Leibold, showed up at Mark's booth. | ||
| Mark had a booth there selling all his products. | ||
| And he shows up, and it just gives you, like, we love Jeff. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| But it gives you that feeling like, man, this is my brother's best friend. | ||
| My brother's not here to enjoy this. | ||
| It tugs at your heart a little bit. | ||
| And it's hard to talk to him about it. | ||
| If I bring up Mike's name, Jeff gets upset. | ||
| We're all just trying to deal with this tragedy, and I was dealing with it in the wrong way. | ||
| I was burying my feelings with drugs and alcohol. | ||
| His girlfriend saved his life though. | ||
| She called me and she said, you know, I don't know what to do. | ||
| I don't know how I'm going to find him. | ||
| I'm outside his apartment now. | ||
| And I said, well, you're the only person there that he has. | ||
| That's like, you know, that's kind of like family. | ||
| I was like, you need to go inside the apartment, make sure he doesn't have any keys and just make sure he's alive, you know, and checking on him. | ||
| So... | ||
| She did all that. | ||
| She made sure he was okay. | ||
| Luckily, he was okay, but he was just passed out. | ||
| Then my wife and I came together and just devised a plan to figure out how the fuck do we get him to Sacramento? | ||
| What are we going to do? | ||
| So we were talking about it and I was like, well, if I just book a flight for him, he's not going to fucking come probably. | ||
| Like tomorrow morning, he's not going to feel fine and be like, all right, got an 8 a.m. | ||
| flight, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll tell you what, going through it, I feel so fragile now. | ||
| Like I'm a completely different person. | ||
| After going through that, it humbles the shit out of you. | ||
| It makes you just feel like, like I feel really fragile. | ||
| Sometimes I don't know how to deal with people or how to talk to people because I'm just completely different than I was before I went through it. | ||
| So this is just in a couple of years. | ||
| About five years, yeah, being on pills. | ||
| You probably felt indestructible when you were on pills. | ||
| I felt invincible when I was doing it, and now I feel so vulnerable. | ||
| And I don't know why that is, but it's something that I think is definitely a warning to anybody out there that's, you know, think of getting on prescription drugs or having prescription drugs pushed on them from their doctor. | ||
| Remember the Advil and the Tylenol works better than opiate painkillers, and people can look that up. | ||
| And you don't walk away from it feeling like I feel. | ||
| I know this guy who has a back injury, and he was always... | ||
| He always was weird. | ||
| I was always trying to figure out what his deal was. | ||
| He always just seemed awkward. | ||
| Awkward, but socially... | ||
| Not inappropriate, but almost fearless. | ||
| Oblivious. | ||
| And clumsy. | ||
| And I was always like, what the fuck is going on with this guy? | ||
| And we were trying to figure it out. | ||
| There's something going on. | ||
| And then one day he goes, hey... | ||
| What's going on with this cryotherapy thing? | ||
| He started asking me about cryotherapy. | ||
| I said, well, it's really good for reducing inflammation. | ||
| It helps a lot with people with arthritis. | ||
| It helps your body kickstart its production of collagen. | ||
| It's really good for a lot of things. | ||
| I like it for the anti-inflammation benefits. | ||
| What do you think of myself? | ||
| I've got this back problem I've had for years. | ||
| It clicked. | ||
| I go, oh, you're on pills. | ||
| This guy's on pills all the time. | ||
| He's high as fuck. | ||
| Because he would be like, hey, how are you guys doing? | ||
| What's going on over here? | ||
| How's everybody? | ||
| But it wasn't like that. | ||
| You know how sometimes people are friendly, but they're like, are you okay with me being friendly? | ||
| You know, just like a little touch and go. | ||
| They're figuring it out. | ||
| This guy was just... | ||
| Full speed ahead! | ||
| You didn't know how loud he was and shit? | ||
| No, he was pilled up, man. | ||
| We were together with a bunch of other friends that we know, and it was odd. | ||
| We were trying to figure it out. | ||
| Not a bad guy, but just this weird, almost like I was envious, like, why is this guy so confident? | ||
| Yeah, why are you so happy? | ||
| What the hell is wrong with you? | ||
| He's in fucking outer space. | ||
| I know these people he's asking questions. | ||
| So where'd you guys go? | ||
| Was it good? | ||
| It looks good. | ||
| Look, you had a good time. | ||
| All right, how about you over here? | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| I was always trying to figure out what was going on with this guy. | ||
| And then once he approached me, started asking me about the cryotherapy thing, because I do it all the time. | ||
| And he started slowly revealing that he's had pretty traumatic back surgery or back injuries. | ||
| The thing that was great for me that happened doing Bigger Stronger Faster and doing this movie is you become almost like a priest where people come to you and confess. | ||
| And so everybody comes out of the woodwork. | ||
| You made a movie. | ||
| You said, hey, I do pills. | ||
| Or hey, I take steroids. | ||
| Big deal, you know? | ||
| And you talk about what happened and what the effects were and what the negative effects were. | ||
| And people just come up to you and say, hey, man, I've had a pill problem for 20 years. | ||
| And you're like... | ||
| That's how these people got into rehab. | ||
| They called me. | ||
| Actually, a kid that worked on the movie. | ||
| He worked on the movie, and he was actually the president of the company's brother. | ||
| And he was the one that called me and said, Hey, look, I know I worked on your movie and everything. | ||
| I have a problem, though. | ||
| After I saw the movie, I just need to fix it. | ||
| What do I do? | ||
| Isn't it incredible that these fucking people that are running for president, not a single one has brought any of this shit up? | ||
| We're talking about a massive epidemic where people are dropping like flies, people are being addicted. | ||
| It's not sexy, probably, thing to talk about. | ||
| It's a dark thing to talk about. | ||
| Even watching a movie is kind of a dark thing to get into. | ||
| It's not just that. | ||
| It's that they can't talk about it because then they'll face repercussion from the pharmaceutical industry. | ||
| I think Donald Trump is the only person that can talk about it. | ||
| I hope he does. | ||
| I hope he does, too. | ||
| I think it's Donald Trump's responsibility. | ||
| Donald Trump are calling you out right here. | ||
| We're calling you out, Donald! | ||
| I know you're kind of a goofy fuck, but I swear I'll vote for you if you say something about this. | ||
| He's listening. | ||
| Bell Brothers are on. | ||
| He's into it. | ||
| I think he's kind of busy. | ||
| But, you know, I think that that's a big problem. | ||
| One of the biggest problems in this country is special interests. | ||
| Because it doesn't matter what it is. | ||
| There's all these special interests, including the corn industry, trying to push high-fructose corn syrup on everything. | ||
| Anything you look into, like there's a sugar lobby, there's a corn lobby, there's a lobby for everything. | ||
| And it just twists the truth around and makes people vote for things that they maybe wouldn't. | ||
| It's interesting, though, that statistic that when they changed the OxyContin, when they changed the formula where you couldn't crush it and smoke it, they lost 80% of their profit. | ||
| At least that tells us that some people are looking out in the right direction. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And they're doing so because of things like your documentary. | ||
| And it's one of the most important things about doing a documentary like that. | ||
| It starts this conversation, and people start talking about it, and they start comparing notes, and they start realizing, like, wow, these are people that I know, people around This is a giant issue. | ||
| I have to say, like, in my movie, a lot of people wanted me to give more answers. | ||
| What's the solution? | ||
| I'm like, I don't really have a solution. | ||
| This is a giant problem that we need to talk about and come up with, you know, bigger solutions. | ||
| Because I'm just a documentary filmmaker. | ||
| I'm just telling you what happened in my life. | ||
| I'm not trying to run for president. | ||
| I'm not trying to make a law about this. | ||
| I'm just like, hey, man, this is a big problem. | ||
| What are we supposed to do about it? | ||
| And that's what I think. | ||
| That's collectively as a country we come up with what the solution is. | ||
| There's a real problem in that these people that sell these things are making ungodly amounts of money. | ||
| Yeah, it's insane. | ||
| When you showed that seminar that they had where they were all talking about, you know, you guys are going to make insane amounts of money. | ||
| And they're just openly talking about how they're drunk. | ||
| I'll tell you something right here. | ||
| I actually wrote this down. | ||
| This drug, it's called Avandia. | ||
| It was for diabetes, right? | ||
| And so they're giving this drug to all these people with diabetes and they're dropping dead. | ||
| One-third of the people that were prescribed the drug were dying from it, right? | ||
| And so what it was was a drug for diabetes that actually gave you a heart attack. | ||
| And most of the people that have diabetes, that's the number one Cause of death, right? | ||
| So when you look at that, you go, okay, well, how did this company get away with it? | ||
| Well, when they made the drug, they packed away $6 billion in an account just to basically, you know, they put $6 billion away because they knew they were going to get sued. | ||
| And they ended up getting sued only for $3 billion. | ||
| Like, oh, okay, cool. | ||
| But they made like $20 billion on the drug. | ||
| It's ridiculous the things that are going on that are getting covered up and nobody's talking about. | ||
| Like in the film, I don't know if you saw that drug that was made in the United States. | ||
| It was tainted with AIDS. It was tainted with the AIDS virus. | ||
| And they said, you know what? | ||
| Well, we can't lose this big batch of drugs. | ||
| Let's send it to France. | ||
| I don't understand that, though. | ||
| How does the AIDS virus get in a... | ||
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What is the AIDS virus? | |
| You're talking about HIV? I have no idea. | ||
| I have no idea, but that's what the news report says. | ||
| I know, but that news report was all grainy and it was from 1985. They might not know what the fuck they were talking about. | ||
| No, it definitely was something that... | ||
| That one was a head-scratcher. | ||
| I actually have a guy, there's a guy that works out at Mark's gym, just got his PhD, and he was going to go work for the company, Baer. | ||
| That was a company that sold, they make Baer aspirin and everything. | ||
| That's a company that did it, and that was one of the things he was talking about. | ||
| He's like, I don't know if I want to work for a company like that. | ||
| Yeah, we need to Snopes that, though. | ||
| You need to Snopes that before you put it in the documentary? | ||
| Actually, yes. | ||
| We have a big team. | ||
| Taste a few of those to make sure they don't have AIDS. When we do these documentaries, we have a team of people that fact-check everything. | ||
| Make that a little larger, please. | ||
| Here it goes. | ||
| Recently unearthed documents show that the drug company Bayer sold millions of dollars worth of injectable blood clotting medicine, factor VIII concentrate intended for hemophiliacs to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, although they knew it was tainted with AIDS. See, that's what I understand. | ||
| Taint and AIDS go together. | ||
| That makes sense to me. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| This article is 10 years ago. | ||
| It says, the company stopped selling the drug in the United States in 1984, but continued to sell it overseas for an additional year. | ||
| The medicine was made using combined... | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Plasma from large numbers of donors... | ||
| And at the time, there was no screening test for the AIDS virus, so a tiny number of donors with AIDS could inadvertently contaminate a large batch. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| They continued to sell the medicine overseas in an attempt to avoid being left with a large stock of a drug that was no longer marketable in the United States. | ||
| Well, you know, that's what they also did with that AIDS medication... | ||
| What is that stuff that was fucking killing everybody? | ||
| AZT. AZT was initially a chemotherapy medication, but it was killing cancer patients quicker than the cancer was. | ||
| And they pushed that through because the AIDS epidemic was so huge. | ||
| They pushed that through so fast, and then they knew it wasn't working, and they kept pushing, pushing, pushing. | ||
| Not just not working, it was fucking killing people. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And they used to call AIDS the gay cancer. | ||
| That's what they thought it was at one point in time. | ||
| The whole thing is just disgusting. | ||
| It's so terrifying when you think of a company that's valuing money at such a high level that they're willing to do something like that and ship this tainted drug to these other... | ||
| I don't even know these people. | ||
| Just send it over there. | ||
| Fuck France. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's just crazy. | ||
| And they're still in business. | ||
| And the thing is, they market to the doctors so much. | ||
| They spend like $5 billion on marketing us and like $25 billion marketing to the doctors. | ||
| So they're telling the doctors to push these drugs and push these treatments on people. | ||
| And if you look at the statistics of Medicare, there's like 30,000 people every year That die from treatments that they didn't even need. | ||
| And that's a fact. | ||
| That's like a Medicare fact. | ||
| It's like, how are we giving people medicine that they don't need that's killing them? | ||
| It makes no sense. | ||
| It's all because of money. | ||
| And they don't really know what the medicines will do to people, and they just keep giving it, giving it, giving it. | ||
| How harmful are some of the other drugs, like the restless leg syndrome? | ||
| And I saw one the other day that said... | ||
| They have a medication for if you laugh too much or if you cry too much or whatever. | ||
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If you smoke pot, take this drug. | |
| Restless leg syndrome, is that bullshit? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| I actually have experienced that because I've had surgery. | ||
| I have weird circulation things. | ||
| Well, that's pain, I guess, right? | ||
| Well, I feel like what happens is... | ||
| It's on days I had too much caffeine or too much sugar. | ||
| I feel it's something that's self-induced, but it actually is something that is rare. | ||
| It's very rare, but it's something that they advertise. | ||
| So it only would happen if there was external things involved? | ||
| For me, yeah. | ||
| I don't know if it's completely... | ||
| Surgeries and stuff. | ||
| Here's the thing, though. | ||
| A lot of things aren't completely a myth. | ||
| A lot of things maybe affect 0.0001% of the population. | ||
| How do I get that to affect 30% of the population? | ||
| Well, I advertise the shit out of it and make people feel like they have restless leg syndrome. | ||
| So I'll get all the caffeine addicts, I'll get all the sugar addicts, and let's go. | ||
| Let's market it to those people. | ||
| Another thing that's really controversial that you touched on in your documentary that I think is a really important thing to discuss is depression. | ||
| You know, depression is a big one, man. | ||
| It's a big one because it's so hard to lock down whether or not this is a medical condition or is it just a state of your life right now? | ||
| Is it you reacting to all the negative? | ||
| It's really hard for the doctor to tell, too. | ||
| It's really hard as a friend going through, like, rehab, and I feel great. | ||
| And I turn and I'm like, how do you feel, buddy? | ||
| You know, I'm trying to help these people, too. | ||
| And we're all helping each other, right? | ||
| Not so good. | ||
| Oh, I'm depressed. | ||
| About what? | ||
| We're in Malibu. | ||
| We're in a beautiful place. | ||
| And they're just depressed. | ||
| And you can't understand it. | ||
| I think it's something that we just don't know enough about and enough how to treat it. | ||
| And I think we treat it with pills that make you... | ||
| A zombie, so you just don't feel it and you never face it. | ||
| Stuff that causes more depression, even like alcohol and stuff like that. | ||
| There's also all sorts of other factors involved. | ||
| Like, what are you doing with your life? | ||
| Like, how much of your life is spent doing productive, enjoyable things? | ||
| What kind of support group do you have as far as your friends? | ||
| Are your friends, like, really happy, really healthy people? | ||
| Are you engaging in a lot of physical activity? | ||
| Are you eating healthy? | ||
| Are you getting enough rest? | ||
| Are you drinking enough water? | ||
| All those things are a big factor. | ||
| Huge. | ||
| Are you doing what you want to do with your life? | ||
| It's hard to explain. | ||
| I have a friend that has an awesome family. | ||
| He's got a ton of money. | ||
| He's got everything that you could see from the outside that we might want as a human being. | ||
| That's really cool. | ||
| He can do whatever he wants, right? | ||
| Beautiful wife, great kids, but he's depressed. | ||
| And I'm like, I have no idea how to help that. | ||
| Like, zero. | ||
| You know, other than, like, he needs to go see a therapist. | ||
| And that's, like, kind of the only way that you can treat it. | ||
| Because I think, like, us as friends, we just don't understand it. | ||
| Well, I think there's no one answer that works with everybody. | ||
| I think some people really suffer with any sort of balance. | ||
| Sometimes people get these extreme highs and extreme lows, but it's hard for them to ride it out in the middle. | ||
| We've heard before from our friends that wrestle that they'll get this huge high, much like yourself, going out in front of a big audience, getting everybody all fucking fired up, be funny as hell, and then you've got to go home and your wife's like, you didn't take out the garbage. | ||
| It's hard to go back to being a dad and having a normal role in the household because there's no fans cheering for you. | ||
| So I think a lot of those guys, the ups and downs are so wild for them. | ||
| But it's also, you know, it makes it ten times worse because they're doing a lot of drugs. | ||
| You know, so the highs and lows are even amplified even more. | ||
| Well, not only that, but there's also a lot of trauma going on with their body and their brain, and I think that plays a giant factor in it. | ||
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It's got you. | |
| I really do. | ||
| I know a lot of people that have had a lot of physical trauma, and almost all of them have a hard time with depression. | ||
| But being happy is a choice, I think. | ||
| You know, he and I talk about this kind of stuff all the time, and I've seen people that have their fucking legs blown off for more, and they got the biggest fucking smile on their face. | ||
| We've seen some people in some pretty shitty situations that have... | ||
| He has a guy at his gym, this guy Bryce. | ||
| He's trying to figure out how to deadlift with one leg. | ||
| He doesn't have a prosthetic leg. | ||
| He's trying to figure out how to deadlift like 135. Yeah, he's all the way up by the hip, so a prosthetic can kind of work, but not really, you know? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But yeah, we've seen people in all kinds of shitty situations, and they're still fucking smiling. | ||
| They're still finding other things to live for, whether it's lifting weights or fucking climbing rocks or whatever the hell it is they're doing. | ||
| Just like you said, doing some productive shit. | ||
| Pursuing enjoyable activities is a big one. | ||
| Pursuing something that you really have a passion for, like as a career, is another big one. | ||
| I think there's a lot of people that feel that soul-sucking grind of a day-to-day, nine-to-five, doing something they hate is just unbelievably taxing on their happiness. | ||
| I have to say, as like being a filmmaker... | ||
| Every film I've done, I've done three of them that I've directed and one of them that I've produced. | ||
| Every time it's about raising the money and getting going. | ||
| And it's just so hard. | ||
| And I would get depressed in between projects. | ||
| So I'd have these great highs. | ||
| A Bigger, Stronger, Faster came out. | ||
| It's at Sundance Film Festival. | ||
| Everybody's talking about it. | ||
| It's 96% on Rotten Tomatoes. | ||
| I'm up here. | ||
| Then I've got to go get money to make the next movie. | ||
| And I'm down here because I'm broke. | ||
| I have no money. | ||
| You don't make a lot of money on these things. | ||
| And it's just an up and down business. | ||
| And then... | ||
| But at least you're doing it for you. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But after all of it, after all said and done, because it's not about the money. | ||
| It's about, for me, doing something awesome. | ||
| At the end of the day, I talked to my brother after I got sober. | ||
| And he said, you know what, man? | ||
| Your biggest problem is you don't need anybody. | ||
| You've done it all yourself already. | ||
| Why do you need anybody? | ||
| You don't need anybody to help you. | ||
| Just keep doing what you're doing. | ||
| And that gave me so much confidence. | ||
| You need to empower yourself. | ||
| You need to empower yourself and build confidence. | ||
| Confidence is huge in... | ||
| In depression. | ||
| I'm not depressed anymore. | ||
| I don't have a project right now. | ||
| I don't have money for a project right now, but I don't care because it's like, yeah, we'll get it. | ||
| We'll do it. | ||
| We've done it before. | ||
| So I think that building your own confidence is big in getting over the depression. | ||
| There's got to be a certain amount of depression that's allowed, too. | ||
| Something terrible happens. | ||
| You've got to allow for some of that. | ||
| You've got to allow for some of that to come in and just to happen. | ||
| Even not even terrible. | ||
| Like, for me, I'll fuck up one joke on a killer set where I get a standing ovation, and that one joke will fuck my head up, man. | ||
| I'll just be driving home going, fuck! | ||
| I'll sit at home, I'll go over it. | ||
| Yeah, what about Ronda Rousey, you know, after the loss? | ||
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Oh, dude. | |
| You know, what she said on Ellen DeGeneres. | ||
| To me, that was the coolest fucking thing that woman has ever done. | ||
| That was really neat to me. | ||
| Like, I'm a huge fan of hers anyway. | ||
| I think she's amazing, but that was fucking awesome. | ||
| To kind of hear her just lay it all on the line and say... | ||
| There's a lot going on there on top of that. | ||
| There's also, like, head trauma. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| You get knocked out like that, you're going to be depressed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's just no way around it. | ||
| Not just the fact that she was the highest of highs as far as celebrities go. | ||
| And then she just got shit on all over social media. | ||
| I mean, I read just a few of the things that people pointed in her direction. | ||
| Social media really blasts people. | ||
| All the memes and all the crazy shit. | ||
| Like, people, you know, they're probably just not even thinking. | ||
| And we all have fun with different stuff. | ||
| They're trying to be funny, you know? | ||
| They're trying to be funny, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they're trying to be clever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, some of it is funny. | ||
| You can't look at it if you're Rhonda. | ||
| Right. | ||
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| I mean, that's also part of what comes with being that huge. | ||
| Conor McGregor kind of handled it. | ||
| I saw it on your Instagram. | ||
| He said, hey, this is the best way to handle the feet. | ||
| He handled it like a fucking man. | ||
| He went out there, he put a picture of him strutting with a nice suit on, and he said, I went out there and I took a shot. | ||
| I will not apologize. | ||
| I will not stop being me. | ||
| And then he wrote, Dos Anjos, you are a pussy. | ||
| Aldo, you are a pussy. | ||
| Right back to talking shit. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's what made him and he's going right back to it. | ||
| The thing is, if he loses more fights or whatever, that might get worse and he might go away. | ||
| But if he doesn't, you become like a legend forever. | ||
| Well, he'll get better. | ||
| He'll get better and he'll learn. | ||
| But that's beside the point. | ||
| Lows, like you said, are important because what a bad feeling does, for me, someone who's really hard on themselves, I'll screw up one thing and it really drives me nuts. | ||
| What that does is that motivates me to be more focused and more intense and pay more attention to what I'm doing. | ||
| And if I don't do that, I will feel that same thing again. | ||
| And there's a certain amount of those bad feelings where things go wrong that you just got to accept in your life. | ||
| Like breakups. | ||
| Breakups are devastating for people. | ||
| When someone breaks up with you, sometimes you feel like they stole a part of you. | ||
| They stole some of your happiness. | ||
| It's a huge investment to be in a relationship with somebody. | ||
| But you've got to realize when that's over, when that breakup's over, like, hey man, this gives you an opportunity to move on and to get your life in order better and to look at yourself. | ||
| Be by yourself for a while and understand how much you value a healthy relationship. | ||
| He's had a lot of good ones. | ||
| He had a girl call him up and say, we can't date anymore because I have cancer. | ||
| Bye. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Yeah, and it was over. | ||
| Did she actually have cancer? | ||
| No. | ||
| It was a big lie. | ||
| It's part of his whole guy's got nothing story. | ||
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Yeah, I got nothing. | |
| I mean, how else is she going to get rid of you? | ||
| Yeah, that was the easiest way, you know? | ||
| What else could she say? | ||
| Listen, you're just not fun. | ||
| Yeah, you're fat and ugly. | ||
| It's better than saying you got a small dick, you know? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I have cancer. | ||
| Bye. | ||
| It's not that bad. | ||
| But, you know, those are important. | ||
| You know, you don't want to be with that person anyway. | ||
| If that's how they feel about you, you got to find the person that really likes you. | ||
| Or you got to figure out how to become someone who people like. | ||
| And that's part of the struggle of developing as a human being, too. | ||
| And that's a rut that some people never get out of. | ||
| Some people, they get into this rut, like in high school, like in dating, in high school and college, and they fucking never get out of that. | ||
| They're over We're always in combative, shitty relationships forever, and they never pause and reset. | ||
| They never have a relationship rehab. | ||
| It takes a lot of strength to walk away from anything that you have invested time in, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, even shitty relationships, at least they have familiarity to them. | ||
| I think, you know, Ronda Rousey, she said, if I'm not this, then what am I? Like, to me, that was a huge statement, you know, that people are always being defined by other people. | ||
| You've got to be defined by yourself. | ||
| It's got to come internal, and it's got to be hard for her because she is such a megastar, and she is known as a fighter. | ||
| She's known as, you know, the most dominant female fighter of all time, so it's got to be tough. | ||
| It's also like that kind of success Like, that kind of love and notoriety is so unnatural. | ||
| So that high is so unnatural. | ||
| It's so strange. | ||
| It's almost like the OxyContin of achievement. | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| That's a good way to look at it, yeah. | ||
| When you're achieving something athletically, it's not as simple as, say, the Betch-Cohéa fight, which is probably her highlight. | ||
| She goes down to Brazil. | ||
| She gets cheered. | ||
| She fights this girl, knocks her out in the first round, struts around like a peacock. | ||
| The whole world's cheering for her. | ||
| She's on top of the world. | ||
| Everything... | ||
| But what actually really happened? | ||
| Well, what actually really happened was there's two people and they're engaging in an activity. | ||
| And one person is better at that activity than the other person. | ||
| And only better by like a hair or a margin. | ||
| Like this one person is more of a brawler and she's much more nervous and she makes mistakes. | ||
| And then the other person is better under pressure and she connects with better shots. | ||
| And then the other person gets hit on the button and goes down. | ||
| Like the actual... | ||
| Actual events of what happened are not that big of a deal. | ||
| I mean, it happens in gyms all across the world. | ||
| But the fact that it's on this big stage, the fact that so many eyes are on it, that moment gets magnified. | ||
| So the result gets magnified. | ||
| So it becomes this really unnatural state where everybody loves you for this brief moment. | ||
| And you're walking around there. | ||
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| Glory! | ||
| Glory also comes with the potential, any high comes with the potential of a corresponding low. | ||
| I mean, there's just no way around it. | ||
| It's exactly the thing that killed our brother. | ||
| Constantly wanted to be in the WWE constantly wanted to be something and when people told him like hey You're getting too old for this or you're not in shape enough for this Like he couldn't really handle that now that was a big part of his depression was he was trying to be defined by this wrestling league that only gives very few people a shot and those people have either really earned it or they knew somebody or whatever and got in and he was always trying to get to that and and my dad says Even if he did get to it, | ||
| I think he still would have went the same way because he would have went the other way. | ||
| He would have went like crazy because he had money and he had fame and whatever. | ||
| Well, a lot of times it's the way you look at life, like the parameters that you set for your life. | ||
| If those parameters are fucked up, it's going to make your life fucked up no matter what you get involved in. | ||
| And that's something that you find with some people. | ||
| Some people that are happy and they become successful, they can be happy and successful in pretty much everything they do. | ||
| They have good parameters. | ||
| They set up good behavior patterns. | ||
| And the people that have bad behavior patterns or self-destructive behavior patterns, those things repeat themselves over and over again, even when they get on a roll. | ||
| Like, I have friends that I know, they get on a roll, everything's going good, but I know they're gonna fuck up. | ||
| It's just a matter of time. | ||
| And then one day you'll see them and they're drinking again. | ||
| Like, I thought you quit drinking. | ||
| My girl left. | ||
| Right now, I don't want to hear it, man. | ||
| You're in a business, a comedy, right? | ||
| A lot of people are kind of like that, right? | ||
| Kind of miserable. | ||
| That's why they make fun of things. | ||
| How do you deal with that? | ||
| Do you avoid maybe hanging out with some of those people? | ||
| Yeah, my friends are all pretty happy. | ||
| I mean, I've had friends that have had problems with depression. | ||
| I've helped some friends that had problems. | ||
| I had a buddy who got depressed because he was taking Propecia. | ||
| Something you should be concerned with, folks, if you're losing your hair, first of all, shave your head. | ||
| It's the greatest thing I ever did. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It makes it easy. | ||
| Oh, it's glorious. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I feel like anybody who won't fuck you because your head's shaved, you don't want to fuck them anyway because you're barely getting them to fuck you. | ||
| You're barely hanging in there. | ||
| They don't like you that much. | ||
| They only fuck you because you have hair. | ||
| But my friend was taking Propecia and he was getting seriously depressed. | ||
| And he didn't connect the two of them together. | ||
| And I got him to a psychiatrist and helped him out. | ||
| And he actually was He benefited from psych drugs because those psych drugs got him happy and weaned him off and got him on point and got his life in order. | ||
| And then once his life got in order, he weaned himself off those things. | ||
| It's exactly the right way to use them. | ||
| You're not depressed forever. | ||
| He also got off that fucking Propecia shit. | ||
| It's not for everybody. | ||
| I took Propecia for a while. | ||
| It didn't make me depressed. | ||
| A lot of people make some impotent. | ||
| Yes, it definitely did that. | ||
| It didn't kill my dick, but it beat the shit out of it. | ||
| Yeah, so it's like, hey, now you have hair. | ||
| That sounds exciting, actually. | ||
| You have hair, but you can't get it up, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it doesn't keep you from getting it up, but it's definitely not the same. | ||
| And I didn't even realize it was until I ran. | ||
| Make sure your pubes big and your dick smaller. | ||
| No, my prescription ran out, and I was like, I've got to get to the doctor and refill my prescription. | ||
| All of a sudden, I've got this raging boner all the time. | ||
| I'm like, what's going on down here? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| And then I went, oh my god, it's the Propecia. | ||
| Like, this is what my dick's supposed to be like. | ||
| Oh, this is ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, getting off this shit. | ||
| Shaved my head. | ||
| You went out and bought Buzz. | ||
| I quit Propecia long before I shaved my head. | ||
| But it was that my friend going through that was really scary because he was, you know, he was really, really depressed. | ||
| And it was like, I was like, shit, I got to figure out a way to help this guy because this is not who he normally is. | ||
| Normally he would be like happy and joking. | ||
| Like comics are all kind of fucked up in a way. | ||
| In that they're performers, they see things fucked up, and usually when you're getting on stage, the reason why you do it in the first place is you're compensating for something that's missing. | ||
| Like a lack of attention you got when you were young, or a lack of self-esteem, and you're trying to make up for it by your performances on stage. | ||
| And you're trying to get the audience to like you. | ||
| It's almost like a hustle in a way. | ||
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| The reward, if you can come up with jokes and routines that are good enough to get the people to laugh, you get them to feel good, and then that becomes your new self-esteem. | ||
| It's a real tricky trap. | ||
| Do you think, for yourself, you don't really fit the mold? | ||
| I definitely don't fit all the molds, but I fit some of the molds. | ||
| The same mold that got me into martial arts was the same mold that got me into comedy. | ||
| The mold that got me into martial arts was... | ||
| Feeling like I was a loser, feeling like nobody gave a shit about me, and that everybody doubted me, and that I just didn't have anybody to count on. | ||
| And I was always worried about getting my ass kicked. | ||
| I'm like, fuck this. | ||
| I gotta figure out how to fight. | ||
| And I wasn't a big guy, you know? | ||
| I'm only 5'8", so I was this short kid, and in high school, when I started, I was even shorter. | ||
| So I was like, fuck, man, I gotta learn how to fight. | ||
| And I just was tired of feeling scared. | ||
| But it was the same thing. | ||
| It was like I was looking for something that I was good at to boost up my self-esteem. | ||
| I was the short kid, and lifting for me, I bench pressed 315 in 11th grade, and then 405 by the time I was a senior, and I was blowing people away. | ||
| And the same with Mark, he benched 315 pounds in 9th grade, and he was dyslexic and learning disabled and all these things, so that gave us confidence. | ||
| Well, sometimes the deficits that you achieve or that you experience in life, They can help you if you can get through them. | ||
| If you can get over that, if you can get over those humps, they can give you motivation and fuel. | ||
| That's why kids that are born rich and privileged and live in a big ass house and they get everything they want, they very rarely have the drive to accomplish great things. | ||
| Because a lot of times that drive comes from that feeling of poverty or that feeling of loss or that feeling of just being lonely and depressed and like you get motivated to go out there and make your mark. | ||
| Like the film he did, Trophy Kids, you know, like there's all these kids, you know, with these parents paying thousands of dollars for these kids to go to these special camps and stuff like that. | ||
| And the best athletes in the world have their parents just take a hike on them usually or die, you know, one or the other, or sometimes just divorce or something. | ||
| Mark was coaching football one time, I'll never forget this, and a parent came to him and said, how do I make my kid great at football? | ||
| And he said, drop him off in the ghetto. | ||
| That's how you're going to make him good. | ||
| Well, he's got to be mad. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| He's got to have some aggressiveness. | ||
| He's got to be angry. | ||
| And then also, too, when someone's coming to you at 16 or 17 years old, and they're talking about, hey, it'd be great to see him get a Division I scholarship, you would already know. | ||
| 16, 17, yeah, it's over. | ||
| We would have known at 11, probably. | ||
| The kid's just a mutant, and he's that much bigger and stronger than everybody, and he just stands out all the time on everything. | ||
| One of my wife's friends has a five-year-old son, and this little motherfucker, I pulled her aside. | ||
| He takes martial arts, and I pulled her aside. | ||
| I go, that kid is an athlete. | ||
| He knows how to use his body. | ||
| If he stays with this, if he's really interested in this, he's going to be a bad motherfucker. | ||
| You could tell at five, the way he does cartwheels, the way he balances himself, the way he can shift positions. | ||
| I'm like, if I had that little kid, if I could coach that little kid, I could make him a motherfucker if he would listen. | ||
| I think that's what happened with trophy kids. | ||
| It all starts with good intentions. | ||
| You get excited about this five-year-old. | ||
| But what about when he's eight and he says, you know what, Joe? | ||
| I don't want to do jujitsu anymore. | ||
| I don't want to do martial arts. | ||
| And you've got to let him go. | ||
| You've got to let him go is right, but a lot of parents don't let him go. | ||
| Yeah, but those people are crazy. | ||
| Well, that's why it's good you did that documentary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those people are crazy. | ||
| Because that kid might be an awesome guitarist. | ||
| He might give up on jujitsu and become this amazing musician. | ||
| He might become a writer. | ||
| He might just decide that he loves exercise just for fun, but what he really enjoys doing is something else. | ||
| He wants to be a doctor. | ||
| Who the fuck knows? | ||
| No one knows. | ||
| There's so many different people. | ||
| You've got to figure out what it is in you that you like to express with what you do for a living. | ||
| If you can figure that out, man, that is the fucking thing. | ||
| If you can find something that you enjoy doing, it is the thing. | ||
| I always thought I wanted to be in front of the camera. | ||
| I always thought I wanted to be an actor or do whatever, and I was always short and fat. | ||
| I was like, well, that's not going to happen unless I'm in good fellows. | ||
| You could be a neighbor. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Alfred Hitchcock was in front of the camera. | ||
| He wasn't that pretty. | ||
| Well, you're in front of the camera, though, in your documentaries. | ||
| I am, somewhat, and that kind of happened by accident. | ||
| I wasn't trying to be in front of the camera. | ||
| You know what I like about you in front of the camera, though? | ||
| You're you. | ||
| You're wearing the same fucking clothes you wear. | ||
| You talk the way you talk. | ||
| It disarms people. | ||
| My wife goes, is that the guy who makes the documentaries, the guy with the backwards baseball hat on? | ||
| Yeah, it's weird, right? | ||
| She goes, why does he dress like that? | ||
| I go, because that's how he dresses all the time. | ||
| And she goes, oh yeah, okay, that makes sense. | ||
| Like, that's who you are. | ||
| That's who you are. | ||
| That's how you dress. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| It's a good thing. | ||
| Yeah, same all the time. | ||
| Yeah, well, you don't have to bullshit anybody. | ||
| I think there was a couple interviews in Bigger, Stronger, Faster where I went into, like, the senator and I'm wearing a suit. | ||
| You know, I just figured, like, that's probably appropriate. | ||
| But, like, other times I was interviewing a lawyer and I'd dress up a little bit more. | ||
| And I look back at him like, why did I do that? | ||
| Well, it's not a bad idea when you're interviewing a senator or something like that or even a lawyer. | ||
| They'll take you a little more seriously. | ||
| I've had conversations with people on the podcast, especially early on in the career, where they're kind of a little dismissive of me because maybe I had a t-shirt on that was stupid. | ||
| Tattoos and shit. | ||
| Like, whatever. | ||
| They just assume that I'm an idiot. | ||
| They would be dismissive initially, and I was like, hmm, probably should have set this up better. | ||
| Like, if I had an office that looked real nice, and the desk was like, this desk is a mess right now, but if I was in front of something that looked more professional, maybe they would... | ||
| Approach this with a little more professional attitude as well. | ||
| So you showing up with a suit, not necessarily a bad idea. | ||
| No, no, I don't think it's a bad idea. | ||
| I'm just saying that like some of the other interviews where I wasn't, you know, I wasn't being me and I knew it. | ||
| You felt odd. | ||
| I felt weird and I should have just been me, you know? | ||
| Well, you know, I guess the only bad way to do it when you're doing something like what you're doing is to do something where you don't like what you're doing. | ||
| Because it's your work, you know? | ||
| Like these documentaries are your creations. | ||
| I also think that you don't go confront people. | ||
| You go ask all the right questions, and you give a person enough rope, and they hang themselves. | ||
| That happens every single time. | ||
| Yeah, well, especially if they're full of shit. | ||
| Yeah, it's magical. | ||
| And when you're acting yourself, you'll probably get more out of that way, too. | ||
| I should say, one of the best shows ever on television was Penn& Teller's Bullshit. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They would just let people ramble and talk and go, and then they would be like, okay, boom, and they would stop, and they would say, look at this bullshit, you know? | ||
| That was amazing, you know? | ||
| That was a great, great show. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder why they stopped doing that. | ||
| I guess they ran out of things to shit. | ||
| They did like nine seasons of it, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, they did it for a pretty long time. | ||
| I watched the one on PETA the other day. | ||
| I'm like, oh my god, it's amazing. | ||
| We're working on something like that. | ||
| We're trying to do it in the health and fitness industry. | ||
| We just went to the Arnold Sports Festival and there's thousands of booths of like 80% of it is stuff that doesn't work probably, you know? | ||
| Like supplements and things like that? | ||
| Yeah, just like different things that just don't work. | ||
| Well, what's amazing is how many of those supplements are steroids. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they're supposed to be steroids. | ||
| Well, some of them are steroids. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, for a little while until they get caught. | ||
| I saw a sign that said, for a supplement, it says, it's like testosterone on testosterone. | ||
| And you're like, why are you selling that to people like that? | ||
| That's not a really good message to send when little kids are buying it or whatever. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| What is testosterone on testosterone? | ||
| Some supplement. | ||
| I'll find out for you. | ||
| That sounds ridiculous. | ||
| But when we had Jeff Nowitzki in here, who was the guy who busted Lance Armstrong. | ||
| That was a great podcast. | ||
| Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker when it comes to chasing those people down. | ||
| His website, the USADA website, where they show all the different stuff that you'll piss hot from, that you can just buy at a regular vitamin store, it's fucking crazy! | ||
| You get to the A, you know, it's listed alphabetically, just go through A, and there's fucking thousands of fucking things! | ||
| You know, when he was on your show, Lance Armstrong tweeted me a private message, he said, are you listening to this shit? | ||
| And I said, well, what is he talking about? | ||
| I said, you should just go on there, and then you had him on, it was great, you know? | ||
| Well, Lance was great. | ||
| I thought he was awesome, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he was awesome. | ||
| You know, he's helping Dan Bilzerian train for that bet. | ||
| He's got a bet. | ||
| Dan Bilzerian is going to drive... | ||
| The Instagram guy or whatever? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| He's going to ride his bike from LA to Vegas. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| And he has, I think, 36 hours to do it or something like that. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And so they made a bet for $600,000. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Holy shit. | ||
| So he's got to ride his bike. | ||
| And as soon as the bet was announced, Lance Armstrong texted me. | ||
| And he's like, do you know Dan Bilzerian? | ||
| I want to help him. | ||
| So I connected those two guys together. | ||
| And now Lance is helping train Dan Bilzerian. | ||
| I've never met Lance Armstrong. | ||
| Lance Armstrong has always been cool to me through social media. | ||
| And I think that's really cool. | ||
| If you can do something... | ||
| One time he tweeted, bigger, stronger, faster, everybody should see this movie. | ||
| I was like... | ||
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| That's before everything happened, you know, and but it was cool. | ||
| It's like a way before he got busted. | ||
| Yeah, I could show you the tweet. | ||
| I like his I like his coach. | ||
| That guy was wild. | ||
| All the different shit he thought of to like try to get past all the tests. | ||
| Oh, yeah, Ferrari. | ||
| And then he had like his gardener or whatever, like go way ahead of everybody and then and then give him shit at like pit stops and stuff. | ||
| I was like, what are you? | ||
| Is this real? | ||
| How about the fact that they were doing blood transfusions in front of everybody on the bus? | ||
| That was great. | ||
| Yeah, the bus broke down. | ||
| This weekend, we were at this powerlifting meet. | ||
| Some guy comes up to Mark and says, well, I compete in the drug-free division. | ||
| He said, no, drug-tested. | ||
| There is no drug-free division. | ||
| It's drug-tested, you little bitch. | ||
| Yeah, he's like, it's drug-tested, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, is there a single powerlifter that's not doing steroids? | ||
| There's a lot of guys that... | ||
| Let me pull that up better. | ||
| A single successful powerlifter that's not doing steroids. | ||
| Yeah, so the wild thing is, the crazy part, we were talking about this also, is that if you just consistently do the right thing all the time, like if you're hydrated all the time, you get the right amount of sleep, you train hard, you have a lot of motivation and determination, and you want to be better... | ||
| You can actually surpass a lot of the guys that are on shit, and we see it time and time again. | ||
| Whether those guys are actually 100% natural, it's hard to fucking say. | ||
| It's hard to pinpoint. | ||
| Because a lot of guys lie about it, right? | ||
| But I have to say, out of all the world records that are broken in these drug-tested federations, some of these guys have to be clean. | ||
| What did Blaine Sumner just do? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Some of these fucking guys got to be clean. | ||
| Yeah, there was a guy that was totally drug-tested competition, and 1,100-pound squat, 881 bench, and an 815 deadlift? | ||
| I mean, he just went off. | ||
| Yeah, he just went off. | ||
| What? | ||
| 1,100-pound squat? | ||
| Check this out. | ||
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What? | |
| Blaine Sumner, vanilla gorilla. | ||
| Mark sponsors the world's strongest man, Brian Shaw, and he bet Brian Shaw he couldn't pick up this 550-pound stone and throw it over, what, a 54-inch platform. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He picked it up like it was a fucking baby. | ||
| Yeah, it's on the internet. | ||
| You can watch it. | ||
| Yeah, pull it up. | ||
| It's on YouTube. | ||
| It's on Rogue Fitness' YouTube page. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
| Yeah, so Brian did that, and Mark went over and said, if you could do it, I'll give you five grand. | ||
| So the night before, he said, what? | ||
| He said, hey, are we still on with that bet or whatever? | ||
| I said, it's not a bet. | ||
| It's a sponsorship, first of all. | ||
| Well, I said, I actually changed my mind. | ||
| I'm going to make it ten grand. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Oh my god, this guy, he throws it over that? | ||
| That guy's 6 foot 8, 400 and... | ||
| Wait a minute, wait a minute, what am I looking at here? | ||
| This is a different one. | ||
| This is a giant kettlebell. | ||
| Oh my god! | ||
| How heavy is that kettlebell? | ||
| About 60 pounds, I think. | ||
| No, that's way more than 60 pounds, unless it's hollow. | ||
| Trying to throw a 60 pound kettlebell. | ||
| But wait a minute, hold on, back it up. | ||
| No, it's probably more like 70 or 80. That can't be, look how big it is. | ||
| They have a special implement. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Look at the size of that kettlebell. | ||
| That kettlebell has to be hollow. | ||
| The way he's walking with it might be 100. That has to be hollow. | ||
| I don't think that... | ||
| I don't think they're as heavy as you think. | ||
| Look at him right there! | ||
| He's right there on the ground in front of you. | ||
| You see that werewolf? | ||
| Look over at that werewolf. | ||
| See that werewolf on the far left? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It's made differently. | ||
| Those are specialty things. | ||
| Well, those are cast iron. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Those are specialty things that they're talking about. | ||
| Those are badass. | ||
| Well, the ones that he has, the only way that they could be... | ||
| I'll tell you. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Rogue Fitness. | ||
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Does it say Jamie? | |
| Go on. | ||
| Rogue Fitness' YouTube channel. | ||
| God, that guy's ridiculously strong. | ||
| He's 6'8", 420 pounds. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| You get close to him and you're like, I'm gonna die. | ||
| But he's the nicest guy in the world. | ||
| He is very nice, but you still think he's gonna kill you just because he can. | ||
| I met that Robert Oberst guy. | ||
| Yeah, Robert. | ||
| He's a big boy. | ||
| He came down to the ice house one night. | ||
| He's ridiculous. | ||
| None of his clothes, none of his shirts have sleeves. | ||
| How the fuck are they gonna fit? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Cut off his circulation. | ||
| His hands will fall off. | ||
| I don't know how these guys get on planes and shit like that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Hafthor Bjornsson. | ||
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Jesus Christ! | |
| Look at this guy squatting 1,102 pounds! | ||
| Yeah, it's a vanilla gorilla right there. | ||
| What the fuck?! | ||
| Okay, now tell me he's clean. | ||
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You see... | |
| He's in a drug-tested federation. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| He gets blood and urine tested. | ||
| Say it. | ||
| Say it. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Alright, Blaine Sumner, you're lying. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| I mean, I believe my guests. | ||
| You can have the occasion. | ||
| Hey, this guy's a big hunter like yourself. | ||
| He's into fishing and shit like that. | ||
| Does he use his teeth? | ||
| Does he pull out a tooth and throw it at deer? | ||
| He probably does. | ||
| Like, look, this is the record. | ||
| Throws a 45-pound plate at their head. | ||
| Game of Thrones actor Hafthor Bjornsson, he's the mountain on Game of Thrones, he threw a 56 pound kettlebell over a 20 foot thing. | ||
| That guy's so big! | ||
| He's 6'11", 6'10". | ||
| He's retarded out being these guys are. | ||
| That's the world record of it. | ||
| It's not as heavy as you think, but if you try to throw a 30-pound kettlebell over that thing, we would probably die doing it. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Here's the video. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| That's a one-arm swing, so that might be a little harder. | ||
| That's a 60-pound one? | ||
| 56 pounds. | ||
| But that's high. | ||
| That's a huge thing. | ||
| That was a world record when he did that. | ||
| That was pretty cool. | ||
| Yeah, this is actually cool. | ||
| Yeah, that Vice documentary. | ||
| Yeah, there's a couple thousand pound deadlifts, too, in the World's Strongest Man competition. | ||
| There was Eddie Hall did 1,026, and then Brian Shaw did 1,021. | ||
| It was just the bars fucking branding. | ||
| Legitimately, how many of these guys are doing steroids? | ||
| Oh, yeah, no, the World's Strongest Man, I mean, that's part of the sport. | ||
| It's 99%? | ||
| It's part of the sport, and it's part of bodybuilding. | ||
| It's part of a lot of the sports. | ||
| In a perfect world, I think a lot of the athletes would say, hey, in a perfect world, there'd be nothing out there that we could take to get better. | ||
| But that's just not the world we really live in, right? | ||
| So I think that's kind of the case with a lot of the sports powerlifting and bodybuilding. | ||
| There are some guys that are just large human beings that can handle a big amount of weights. | ||
| I mean, you've probably seen it in MMA, where people just have a different structure. | ||
| Like Mark Hunt. | ||
| Mark is like 5'9", he has to cut weight to get to 265, and he's just built like... | ||
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| Yeah, it just doesn't look real. | ||
| You go to wrestle somebody and you can't even grab their wrists because their wrist is all huge and hands and feet are all big. | ||
| It's like, what the fuck? | ||
| That's like John Cena. | ||
| He's a freak. | ||
| Yeah, John Cena's a freak. | ||
| John Cena, we've known him since he was 22 years old, and we were kind of instrumental in getting him into wrestling. | ||
| So when we met him, we were like, dude, you're a freak. | ||
| Your forearms are the size of my head. | ||
| He's got double-sized wrists. | ||
| They're like two wrists together. | ||
| He wears a headband around his biceps. | ||
| As soon as we saw him, we knew. | ||
| And he got picked up by WWE pretty much right away. | ||
| It's pretty easy for him. | ||
| Well, there's definitely some physical freaks. | ||
| There's definitely some physical freaks. | ||
| But I've always wondered, when you see those strongman guys, I can't imagine that any of them could not be on steroids. | ||
| I doubt that any of them are probably clean. | ||
| Just due to the sheer amount of weight that they have to weigh and the sheer amount of weight that they have to lift, it just wouldn't really make sense to do it without it. | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't make sense. | ||
| You don't want to go in and lose. | ||
| I mean, that's not the purpose, right? | ||
| I think we talk about this. | ||
| I'm on... | ||
| You know, hormone replacement therapy, and I think it's like, you know, talking about prescription thugs and whatever, people are like, well, you take hormone replacement therapy, but I think about hormones as like, it kind of balances me out in a lot of other areas, so I don't have to take pills, you know? | ||
| I don't have to take other drugs. | ||
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How old were you? | |
| 43. And when did you start taking hormones? | ||
| When I was about, actually right after I had my hips done, I was 30, 33 or 34, but it was because I had hip replacement surgery. | ||
| So you started hormone replacement to try to boost your body's recovery? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, I was doing growth hormone then too, and I felt like the growth hormone wasn't really worth it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, a lot of people... | ||
| Financially, you mean? | ||
| Yeah, a lot of people rave about it. | ||
| Yeah, but what you get, bang for your buck or whatever, if you... | ||
| Rich, yeah, maybe it'll help you a little bit, but I don't know. | ||
| Are you trying to get some crazy results? | ||
| Like, what do you mean by, like, what were you trying to do with it? | ||
| I wasn't a fan of growth hormone. | ||
| It actually hurt my joints more than anything. | ||
| And my hands fall asleep all the time. | ||
| Yeah, it makes you hold a lot of water. | ||
| Your hands fall asleep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How much we taking? | ||
| Yeah, no, I know. | ||
| Everyone says that, but... | ||
| It gives you edema and everything, yeah. | ||
| It makes you hold a little bit of water. | ||
| I think at the time, I've tried two IUs a day and four IUs a day. | ||
| That's not... | ||
| That's not much. | ||
| That's not a lot, yeah. | ||
| The big crazy bodybuilder guys take like 10, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think if you're using it in conjunction with everything else, then you're probably optimizing everything. | ||
| It makes sense that it would be effective for you. | ||
| I do think it made my weight a little bigger. | ||
| It made your wiener bigger? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Some people take it and say, oh my god, I took growth hormone, I got completely shredded. | ||
| And then it's like, maybe it's just not the case. | ||
| Well, you know, it also could be that now they're on growth hormone, they really stepped up their training because they're all excited they're on growth hormone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a lot of factors involved. | ||
| That's what we think supplements do for the most part, too. | ||
| Some do. | ||
| Placebo effects. | ||
| It's going to help you a little bit, some of them, and then there's a little bit of placebo effect. | ||
| If you're taking fish oil and chugging down protein powder and stuff like that, you're probably not eating pizza and drinking beer. | ||
| Well, that's why double-blind, placebo-controlled studies are so important, to find out what actually does work and what doesn't work. | ||
| What are the inflammation markers in the blood? | ||
| They've shown some pretty good results for fish oil, though. | ||
| The hard part about that, like with certain things, like fish oil, it's like, okay, is it good for inflammation? | ||
| Yes, probably. | ||
| But what people take it for is, a lot of people take it for their heart health, and they realize, well, I've got to take 12 pills a day for it to actually be effective for my heart health. | ||
| Well, you could take it in tablespoons, too. | ||
| That's how I do it. | ||
| Yeah, sure, yeah. | ||
| But I'm saying, like, I guess it's not... | ||
| What I'm saying is, like, it's not as effective as people think. | ||
| Like, I need to take fish oil, you know, and then they go out and they buy fish oil. | ||
| And it might be pretty effective, you know, a little bit over a really long period of time is probably the most effective thing. | ||
| So you've got to stick with it. | ||
| I don't think it's necessarily bad for anybody. | ||
| I just think that it's, like, you know, it's something that... | ||
| You know, it's just another thing, like maybe you don't need it, you know? | ||
| Well, what is need? | ||
| You know, it's like if you're trying to optimize your life, you're trying to optimize your body, fish oil is a good choice. | ||
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| But if you want to get the results these guys are talking about in these studies and taking 12 pills a day, you don't really have to take pills. | ||
| You can just, I take it, I get it, what's the company's name? | ||
| Carlson's? | ||
| Carlson's, I think it's called it? | ||
| Yeah, they've been around forever. | ||
| Yeah, they're in a bottle. | ||
| I just pour it into a tablespoon. | ||
| I take a couple tablespoons. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just so good for you. | ||
| It's like flavor, like lemon or something. | ||
| Yeah, it's got a little lemon flavor. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| I think what I'm really getting at and talking about is you're just expecting it to help improve your health, which is great. | ||
| I think a lot of people expect, you know, I'm not going to have a heart attack if I take two of these a day. | ||
| And then they realize, oh, the study was done with 12 a day. | ||
| Well, then take 12, bitch. | ||
| Step up your game. | ||
| If you want to not have a heart attack, take a couple of aspirin a day, right? | ||
| Isn't that what's supposed to be one of the best things in the world for your heart? | ||
| Yeah, it's supposed to help, too, yeah. | ||
| Allegedly? | ||
| One, I think, one aspirin. | ||
| One aspirin a day? | ||
| This is so many different fucking things you have to be on. | ||
| It's probably part of the problem. | ||
| You've got to be on a lot of shit at the same time. | ||
| Take some sarcomen and you need vitamin D3 and B12 and fucking methyl B12. Well, they get you all stressed out about it. | ||
| Then you've got to take something for that. | ||
| What are you doing for niacin? | ||
| What do I need to do? | ||
| Shit! | ||
| What kind of niacin? | ||
| And then you forget to take everything, then you get depressed. | ||
| You ever get that shit? | ||
| You ever take that flash niacin? | ||
| That's insane, right? | ||
| I take that stuff every night. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| It makes your fucking skin turn red and you freak out. | ||
| Why do you take it at night? | ||
| It's really good for you. | ||
| It makes you go to sleep? | ||
| No, that's why I take it. | ||
| But it's really good for your body. | ||
| It's one of those things people don't like taking because it gives you that weird... | ||
| It's good for your blood vessels and stuff like that? | ||
| Is that how it makes you all red? | ||
| Yeah, but just that effect is temporary. | ||
| Are your kids like, what the hell's going on with you, Dad? | ||
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They make non-flush niacin, right? | |
| I take that. | ||
| I take it like a man, bro. | ||
| You think that non-flush niacin doesn't work? | ||
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It's for pussies. | |
| It's for pussies. | ||
| What, are you afraid of a little flush? | ||
| Yeah, no, I'm not afraid. | ||
| I'm not scared. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| That's what separates the men from the boys. | ||
| Can you handle that weird feeling? | ||
| Afraid of looking like you have poison ivy or something. | ||
| Why is my eyes itching? | ||
| Did you find that stone? | ||
| That 555 stone? | ||
| You gotta pull that sucker up, man. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| You gotta see it. | ||
| Have you found it? | ||
| With supplements, like we were saying, it depends on what people are expecting. | ||
| A lot of times, certain things will rave about, like testosterone and testosterone. | ||
| There is no way, absolutely zero chance, that that supplement's gonna work as good as injecting testosterone. | ||
| Well, if it does, if it works better than testosterone, you're going to fuck your body up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's going to have side effects probably. | ||
| Also, if there was something out there that was the cure, you wouldn't have to advertise. | ||
| People would just know about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, here's the most important supplement. | ||
| The most important thing that you can take is really healthy food. | ||
| And when you start throwing down all these supplements, but you're eating fucking Big Macs, Right. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| I got a friend who was telling me that all the chemical components of all really healthy food already exist in vitamins, so just eat whatever the fuck you want and take vitamins. | ||
| I was like, man, I don't think it works like that. | ||
| That doesn't sound right. | ||
| I just don't think it works like that. | ||
| It doesn't work like that for me. | ||
| That's the problem is people use it as a safeguard, right? | ||
| Actually, the first time I met you was after one of your shows at the Ice House. | ||
| I don't even know if you remember. | ||
| We were like outside in the back and you said, you were talking to Brian Callen and all these other guys and you were saying, every time we go on the road, I got to go to a Whole Foods and I thought that was so cool that like you actually take the time to go out and get the, even when you're on the road, get the right food and like that was a That was actually inspirational for me to hear because I was somebody that struggled with my weight all the time. | ||
| Sometimes I think that stuff is weird or people might think I'm weird if I'm trying to eat a special diet. | ||
| It's just good to know that other people are out doing it. | ||
| I've traveled on the road for so many years. | ||
| Unless I stay in a place that has a really good restaurant and I know they have really healthy salads and real healthy food options. | ||
| Even if that's the case, what am I going to drink? | ||
| It's cool if they have bottled water. | ||
| I drink kombucha a lot, so I always want to make sure that I have enough probiotics, and I want healthy snacks. | ||
| I don't want to have to go through the fucking minibar and eat peanut M&Ms and all that bullshit in the middle of the night if I'm hungry. | ||
| It makes you feel bad, I think. | ||
| Yeah, it makes you feel like a loser. | ||
| And I just, I mean, there's nothing wrong with eating shitty food every now and then, but for the most part, the base of your diet... | ||
| It's fucking gotta be healthy. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta stay on top of it. | ||
| You gotta have a lot of vegetables. | ||
| You know, for the years that I was going through my addiction stuff, I just didn't take care of myself at all. | ||
| I was 260 pounds. | ||
| And right now, today I weighed like 200 on a dot. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| But that's a big difference. | ||
| That is a big difference. | ||
| I'm fat. | ||
| I'm really fat in that movie and I still think I have a long way to go, you know? | ||
| I used to weigh 330. I mean, I kind of got up there on purpose just to fucking gain strength, and I went from like 300 to... | ||
| Oh, here we go. | ||
| Brian Shaw, 555 pound, world record stone lift. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| So that's impossible to pick up. | ||
| I mean, look how big his hands are. | ||
| Boy, 555 pounds, and it's a ball. | ||
| Like, it's the size of a large medicine ball. | ||
| It's called an atlas stone, yeah. | ||
| It's an object not meant to be lifted, you know? | ||
| It's not like a barbell or anything. | ||
| Not really interesting. | ||
| He's got to put it up over that platform. | ||
| Yeah, how's he doing this? | ||
| Why is this in slow motion, by the way? | ||
| I don't know, but that platform is about as tall as I am, almost. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Which isn't that tall. | ||
| Is he that big? | ||
| He's 6'8". | ||
| Yeah, he's huge. | ||
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Jesus Christ, look at this. | |
| That's probably up to my shoulders. | ||
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Boom! | |
| That's a big boy right there. | ||
| That's an enormous human being. | ||
| He's wearing slingshot elbow sleeves, if you notice. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| Powerful slingshot. | ||
| And what do you think that guy eats in a day? | ||
| He eats like about 8,000 calories a day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I had him picked up. | ||
| I had him picked up from the airport and brought to my house by a limo. | ||
| Did he have a leg of lamb on his shoulder? | ||
| He took a picture in the limousine of him with his wife in a limo and he's eating salmon out of a fucking container of Tupperware. | ||
| The thing about that guy is everything is so systematic. | ||
| It's amazing to be in his presence. | ||
| He doesn't eat bad. | ||
| He's on target to just be the world's strongest man. | ||
| He's won it three times and he's going for four this year, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's like, when are we eating? | ||
| I was like, probably at like five. | ||
| He's like, oh, it's like, it's like almost four. | ||
| He's like, I should probably sneak in a meal now. | ||
| So he ate before we ate. | ||
| But he brought all his meals already made and everything was great. | ||
| You know what's interesting? | ||
| If you look at his supplements, he's got this thing, diet and supplements. | ||
| His meals are not that high in quantity or in like ounces of protein. | ||
| Like when you look at what he's eating, like 14-ounce lean beef, 10-ounce tuna. | ||
| I think there's also a bodybuilding magazine. | ||
| Okay, but I mean, this is what he's saying, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Ten ounces tilapia. | ||
| So he's like, they're like normal-sized meals, which you would think a guy that's that big, he'd be eating like, you know, 56-ounce steaks. | ||
| But yeah, if you really look at it, there's almost nine up there, I think. | ||
| There's pre-workout, post-workout, which are kind of more like shakes, but there's like a pudding in there. | ||
| Five, six, seven, eight... | ||
| Nine, ten. | ||
| It's like ten different times he's eating. | ||
| He's obsessed. | ||
| His entire day is driven towards continuing to kick everybody's ass. | ||
| Yeah, but even in that, like, you're looking at insane amounts of calories, even with the smaller meals. | ||
| What's interesting about him, too, he does four days of training a week and three days of full recovery. | ||
| So three days he's doing contrast baths, and he's doing, like, all the shit that you always talk about, he's doing float tanks, he's doing everything. | ||
| He goes to a PT place and just does physical therapy drills. | ||
| All day long. | ||
| We saw him get on the floor and he was doing all kinds of shit. | ||
| We were like, what the hell? | ||
| He moves around way better than I do. | ||
| He's three times the size of me. | ||
| He moves around great. | ||
| He's a smart guy, man. | ||
| I mean, that's really where it's at. | ||
| I think there's a lot of people that do too much work and not enough recovery. | ||
| And they just kind of mentally tough their way through it. | ||
| Instead of less work, more recovery, and probably better results. | ||
| That's where I'm at right now. | ||
| I just fucked up my elbow. | ||
| They recommended, what is it, PRP injections, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| My elbow's been bothering me for a little while now. | ||
| What's going on with it? | ||
| I was training for a competition. | ||
| I was going after a 600-pound bench, and I fucked up my elbow midway through training. | ||
| I did a 555 bench for a double. | ||
| That was a big PR for me. | ||
| PR means personal record. | ||
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Personal record. | |
| Personal record. | ||
| It was a personal best PB. For all you PNs. | ||
| And so I got it banged up somehow. | ||
| I don't know if it was from that bench exactly, but two or three days later, you know, it started to hurt. | ||
| I didn't think I was going to be able to compete, but I was still able to compete about five or six weeks later. | ||
| Got a 22-pound bench PR in the meet, but missed a 600-pound bench. | ||
| I did bench 578. But when I went to bench 600, I slightly tore my pec. | ||
| And I think I tore my pec because my elbow was jacked up. | ||
| So you just need some time off. | ||
| Yeah, the pec cleared up. | ||
| Everything's all good with that, but the elbow is still all jacked up. | ||
| And so... | ||
| I just went and got an MRI yesterday, which was fucking crazy. | ||
| They stuffed me in this little tiny machine. | ||
| You've never had one before? | ||
| No, I've never had one before. | ||
| I've never had a surgery or nothing. | ||
| MRIs are weird. | ||
| Oh, I was terrified. | ||
| I was in there for like half an hour. | ||
| I was dying. | ||
| Sounds like somebody's hammering. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| After I got out, I was just like a crazy feeling. | ||
| The noise is so strange. | ||
| It's so claustrophobic. | ||
| I was like, holy fuck, that was insane. | ||
| But yeah, now I have to try to figure out, I have kind of these, they call them chronic tears, which doesn't really help me at all. | ||
| But it's only chronic tears and tons of inflammation. | ||
| So I got to figure out ways to just get it to heal up on its own, basically. | ||
| Have you looked into stem cells? | ||
| I haven't tried anything yet. | ||
| When we get out of the podcast, I'll give you an address for a guy in Vegas. | ||
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Some stem cells? | |
| Awesome. | ||
| I wish I had them. | ||
| My doctor is actually one of the guys leading the way in stem cells. | ||
| It sounds amazing. | ||
| They're doing stem cells in Las Vegas where they're taking them from women's placenta. | ||
| I'm into it? | ||
| I can't get in trouble for my wife for this? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's women who have had cesarean sections. | ||
| So a young girl who has a cesarean section, they take her stem cells out of the placenta and they inject them directly into your injuries and people have had fucking spectacular results. | ||
| Placenta into my elbow. | ||
| I'll tell you about it. | ||
| I've had them done on my shoulder. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Did you hear about the guy that had... | ||
| He was like Wolverine. | ||
| How many of those do you need, do you think? | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| I'm telling you, it is probably one of the most spectacular healing methods. | ||
| You need several shots of that? | ||
| No, like one shot. | ||
| There was a guy that Arnold Schwarzenegger, I think, gave an award to last year, maybe the year before. | ||
| He had ocular cancer, so he couldn't see in one of his eyes. | ||
| And they did stem cells, some stem cell thing on him. | ||
| And after like 10 weeks, he had like full vision. | ||
| I don't know how, I don't know what it was, but I remember Arnold Schwarzenegger giving him an award and talking about that being, you know... | ||
| I'm not surprised. | ||
| I'm not surprised. | ||
| I mean, I was fucking stunned at what it did to my shoulder. | ||
| And I've since had my hip done and my knee. | ||
| My hip was, like, barely bothering me. | ||
| I'm like, fucking shoot it up. | ||
| You know, it just bothered me after hard kickboxing workouts. | ||
| But not even to the point where... | ||
| But I was like, listen, would it do a damage? | ||
| Or is this, like, a good thing to do preventative? | ||
| And he's like, yeah, it'd probably be a good thing to do preventative. | ||
| Four weeks later, not a fucking single pain, no matter how hard it takes. | ||
| I'm just going to get a shot all over my whole body. | ||
| My knee was... | ||
| Well, it's shown that they can regenerate cartilage and meniscus. | ||
| It's insane because it's literally the building blocks of any kind of tissue. | ||
| It can regenerate any kind of tissue, like partial tears and ligaments. | ||
| I know some of my meathead friends are real fans of these weird peptides. | ||
| There's growth hormone, then there's IGF-1, and now there's... | ||
| A bunch of shit that I can't pronounce anymore. | ||
| It makes your body develop more growth hormone and develop more testosterone. | ||
| And I've tried some different things, and I didn't find any of those to be effective. | ||
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So you gotta say it's a secret. | |
| Yes, so yeah, we need that guy's number because we're both getting up. | ||
| I'll help you out I'll help you out at the end of the podcast. | ||
| His name is Dr. Roddy McGee, if anybody else is listening, and he's in Las Vegas, and he's a great guy, and he'll take care of you and tell you what you can and cannot expect out of this. | ||
| But they're going to start doing this all over the world, bro. | ||
| I believe right now in Vegas is the only place where you can get this stuff that they're doing through placenta. | ||
| I might be wrong about that. | ||
| Actually, they got some to a doctor in New York that was working on a UFC fighter. | ||
| Chris Weidman actually had a deal on his knees, too. | ||
| My doctor was telling me there's some way that he was working on that they can inject 200 million stem cells in you at one time, and they basically do it once, and it works in your whole body. | ||
| I don't know anything about it, but... | ||
| Boss Rootin was saying. | ||
| Boss Rootin had it done intravenously. | ||
| I'll believe anything that guy says. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| I don't want to get kicked upside my fucking head. | ||
| He's just a great guy anyway. | ||
| But he had it done intravenously. | ||
| And he was like, it was like there was power coming off my fingers! | ||
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Ah! | |
| Wow. | ||
| That guy seems amazing. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He's a spectacular example of a human being. | ||
| So when you're filming this documentary and you're doing this and you're exposing yourself, was that one of the harder parts of the documentary? | ||
| Because you had to show your car getting all fucking banged up. | ||
| It was like therapy for me. | ||
| Did you take any heat for that? | ||
| Because you were driving around, pilled up in your car. | ||
| Did you get in trouble for that? | ||
| No, I never once got pulled over. | ||
| I'd be hammered. | ||
| But I mean, you essentially admitted to a felony. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Unless it's like murder, you can't really get convicted of anything you say in a documentary or a movie. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, I basically could say, I never paid my taxes in 20 years. | ||
| And they can look into it. | ||
| It might be stupid to say it, but we had to check that out seriously when he was talking about My wife's like, no way you're going to be in this fucking movie. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| We check all of our attorneys and everything. | ||
| They're like, oh no, if he says it in documentaries. | ||
| It's entertainment! | ||
| Way to see if Ted Cruz gets in office. | ||
| They'll fucking come after you retroactively. | ||
| I think that it's important that you did that, though, man. | ||
| It took a lot of balls. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I think you said, you know, some of the stuff I recall him saying that he was most embarrassed about was just like, that's the way he looked. | ||
| I was more embarrassed about being fat and being bloodshot eyes and like Just looking jacked up, he was kind of like more depressed about how that came off. | ||
| Like, he doesn't like watching a movie, probably. | ||
| I mean, that's kind of some of the stuff he's told me, right? | ||
| I've watched it like maybe four or five times in its completed form. | ||
| It's hard for me to watch. | ||
| What were you eating that you gained so much weight? | ||
| Did you just like try to vacate yourself with food because of your pain? | ||
| I actually thought, it's funny, I thought I was like getting bigger and getting stronger. | ||
| Like, I was really strong at that time. | ||
| Like, you know, so I was like fat, but yeah, I could still, you know... | ||
| Throw up 405 for like four reps or whatever. | ||
| But then I tore my tricep and that led to more depression, led to eating bad, led to less working out, all sorts of shit, you know? | ||
| Well, then drinking just causes weight gain anyway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Drinking is like the absolute worst thing for you. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Alcohol. | ||
| One of the things that I've noticed from this diet is I have very little alcohol now. | ||
| Not that I drank a lot, but now I'll limit myself to maybe a glass of wine or two in a night at most. | ||
| Are you on no carbs? | ||
| Very little carbs. | ||
| He's joined... | ||
| The War on Carbs. | ||
| You joined the War on Carbs. | ||
| Hashtag War on Carbs. | ||
| Well, you guys, you're going to do a documentary on ketogenic diets and ketosis? | ||
| I've been talking to the owners of Quest Nutrition. | ||
| They have 44 dogs at a farm in Dallas that had a very aggressive form of cancer. | ||
| They're now all cancer-free, and all they're doing is a ketogenic diet. | ||
| Dogs? | ||
| Yep, 70% keto dogs. | ||
| 70% fat, 30% protein. | ||
| They're going to turn into wolves. | ||
| Yeah, they are dogs. | ||
| And so the thing is, how can we look at that and say, well, will this work in humans? | ||
| I think any research we're doing on any animals that are mammals kind of have similarities so we can start figuring things out through these dogs. | ||
| Because you're not going to experiment on people, really. | ||
| And with a dog, it's like, hey, I'm just trying to save its life, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what are their conclusions? | ||
| They think that ketogenic diets... | ||
| I know they think that it's... | ||
| They know that it's very effective for children that have epilepsy, right? | ||
| So here's what I've heard. | ||
| I've also heard this shot down, so I'm just going to say what I've heard. | ||
| I've heard that in the absence of carbohydrates, that it basically starves the cancer cell. | ||
| I'm not sure if it's that simple, but that's what I've heard. | ||
| Well, carbohydrates do convert to sugar, especially simple carbohydrates like bread and pasta, and sugar does fuel cancer. | ||
| And inflammation in general. | ||
| Yeah, inflammation in general. | ||
| Man, I feel fantastic. | ||
| I've only been doing this a month, this diet, this primal blueprint ketogenic diet. | ||
| I've only been doing it for a month, but my brain is the... | ||
| That's what we were talking about before the podcast started. | ||
| That's probably the most interesting aspect of it is the mental clarity. | ||
| He's got a book, right? | ||
| Mark Sasan? | ||
| He's got a couple books, yeah. | ||
| The primal blueprint and I think... | ||
| Where are they in the other room? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just love reading all that stuff. | ||
| I've read every ketogenic diet book there is, so I'm going to get that after we get off the air. | ||
| I tried gluten-free for a while. | ||
| I did that. | ||
| I lost weight and I got thinner. | ||
| My face got thinner. | ||
| I'm one of those guys that are like, my fucking head gets fat. | ||
| The first thing that happens when my face gets round and big and this part gets fat. | ||
| I can have abs and have the fattest face you've ever seen. | ||
| It's weird, right? | ||
| The fat face thing is a weird thing. | ||
| But that was the first thing that I noticed when I did the gluten-free. | ||
| My face shrank down to normal size. | ||
| And this is even more so. | ||
| Gluten-free is very controversial. | ||
| The guy who came up with the whole gluten-free thing published a retraction three years later and says, I was wrong about gluten-free. | ||
| So there's definitely a big debate over it, I guess, though. | ||
| But here's what it is. | ||
| I mean, this is what I decided, and it's one of the reasons why I stopped being gluten-free. | ||
| What it is is you're taking in less sugar. | ||
| So that's what the benefit was. | ||
| The benefit was I wasn't eating any bread. | ||
| I wasn't eating any pasta. | ||
| So I was taking in less sugar. | ||
| It's really that simple. | ||
| So there's less inflammation, so I felt better. | ||
| So it definitely worked. | ||
| Well, and you're adhering to a program that just gets rid of some junk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are you eating on the primal blueprint? | ||
| I eat a lot of avocados. | ||
| I'm eating a lot of healthy fats. | ||
| I take MCT oil. | ||
| I take these exogenous ketones that you saw over here. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| These things, I'll mix these into water. | ||
| Those are ketones. | ||
| I got a keto protein coming out pretty soon. | ||
| I'll send you some. | ||
| This is ketogenic cream that you put in coffee, mix it in coffee. | ||
| That's a good idea. | ||
| Yeah, it puts exogenous ketones in coffee. | ||
| And then there's this new supplement, not a supplement, but a snack called Fat Fudge, P-H-A-T Fudge. | ||
| Yeah, I want some of that. | ||
| Eatplaycrush.com. | ||
| This woman... | ||
| I don't want to fuck up the spelling. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. | ||
| Fat fudge. | ||
| Oh, it's fantastic. | ||
| Well, it's important to have stuff that's convenient when you're doing these kind of diets. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's important to have stuff that tastes good, too. | ||
| And you don't want to always be cooking up a fucking pound of meat every five minutes. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, luckily I have a lot of meat in the back. | ||
| I've got a lot of elk from the couple of elks that I shot. | ||
| But you need fats on top of that, and a lot of that elk is really lean. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| You have to add fat to it, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, no, you don't add fat to it, but it's not the same as, say, if you get... | ||
| You know, if you get like a beef steak, like a ribeye or something like that, you're getting a lot of fat. | ||
| Especially if it's a corn-fed beef steak, there's a lot of fat. | ||
| And so I take different kinds of fats, but avocado is one of the primary ones that I like. | ||
| Ketogenic diets are amazing for losing weight, for weight class type stuff, like power lifting, weight lifting, MMA. It works fucking awesome. | ||
| You can drop a couple pounds pretty quickly. | ||
| You've got to let your body really get accustomed to it, though, because in the beginning, people shy off of it because they feel like losing that weight makes them feel weak, and changing from a carbohydrate diet It takes time to convert. | ||
| Yeah, it does take time. | ||
| Do you have any cheat meal? | ||
| Like any cheat day? | ||
| I haven't had anything, no, in the month that I've done it. | ||
| I just decide that I don't eat that anymore. | ||
| Yeah, that's great. | ||
| Well, I gave myself 60 days. | ||
| At the end of 60 days, maybe I'll have some ice cream. | ||
| But I think I'm going right back on it. | ||
| Carbohydrates. | ||
| You know they make keto ice cream, right? | ||
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Do they? | |
| Bulletproof ice cream, yeah. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| They sell it at Erewhon. | ||
| Bulletproof ice cream and it's like... | ||
| I'm not buying any bulletproof stuff. | ||
| Yeah, but it's just a bunch of... | ||
| I know that guy. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of a scam. | ||
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Carbohydrate... | |
| Well, that guy's just too full of shit about too many different things for me to support it. | ||
| One thing that carbohydrates do is they help to hydrate. | ||
| Carbohydrate helps hydrate the muscles. | ||
| So that's a thing. | ||
| Sometimes people will... | ||
| We'll say, oh, I don't like keto diet because I feel weak because I lose energy. | ||
| If you're doing a keto diet properly, you should not be losing any energy. | ||
| Your energy level should be fine. | ||
| However, you're not going to have as much water through your muscles. | ||
| And if you're a strength athlete or somebody that relies on strength, it can be compromised a little bit, especially when you start to lose anything like over like 10 pounds. | ||
| Your strength is going to be compromised. | ||
| You lose a lot of weight, your strength is going to be compromised. | ||
| Yeah, so you have to make sure that you're hydrated. | ||
| You have to make sure that you're... | ||
| And you've got to make sure you get enough fat. | ||
| And you're going to need some carbohydrates here and there. | ||
| Low carbohydrates. | ||
| You don't want high. | ||
| That's it. | ||
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That's all it is. | |
| And you look at Conor McGregor going up a weight class. | ||
| And I know there's different fighters and different styles and all the different things. | ||
| But it is hard to overcome someone just being bigger than you. | ||
| And so if you lose a bunch of weight, you should expect to lose some strength. | ||
| The girl's name is Mary Shenouda. | ||
| S-H-E-N-O-U-D-A. God bless her. | ||
| Fat pudding? | ||
| Paleo Chef. | ||
| No, Fat Fudge. | ||
| Fat Fudge. | ||
| PaleoChef.com, I think, is... | ||
| Yeah, that's her website. | ||
| And the product's called Fat Fudge. | ||
| And hopefully we're going to start selling it on it. | ||
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It's fucking awesome. | |
| Let's just buy the whole company. | ||
| That sounds amazing. | ||
| It's really... | ||
| It's healthy. | ||
| It's good for you. | ||
| But it's ketogenic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The whole idea for me was just to give it a try. | ||
| Just see what it's like. | ||
| I actually really like it. | ||
| It gets me in a mood where I feel like everything becomes in order when I'm on a ketogenic diet for some reason. | ||
| I'm not on it right now, but when I get on it, I'm like, okay, I know exactly what I need to do, exactly what I need to eat. | ||
| I kind of like the structure of it. | ||
| It's not bad. | ||
| A lot of people are worried about it. | ||
| I'm not going to be able to eat carbs and Well, people start panicking, and then they start coming up, well, I heard that it makes your dick fall off. | ||
| Yeah, there's so many lies about it. | ||
| Well, it's not good for you. | ||
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Your brain runs on carbohydrates. | |
| Prove it's bad for me. | ||
| Well, prove it's good for you. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| I'm a spaghetti! | ||
| Just armbar those people. | ||
| Can't you do that? | ||
| Do you have a day where you throw in any carbs or not really? | ||
| No. | ||
| Not so far. | ||
| Just for maybe vegetables and nuts and stuff like that? | ||
| Yeah, of that. | ||
| But my thought behind it was, I just want to try it, see what it's like. | ||
| Try it the exact way it's meant to be. | ||
| And what Sisson is the idea behind is not paleo because that word paleolithic you know it's what's kind of messed up because the paleolithic era people ate breads they ate grains they did so this is he calls it primal and the idea is just eat stuff that your body is just really kind of designed to eat your body is designed to eat fats your body is designed to eat vegetables and fats are important because when people burn fat if you don't have those fats like if you're not consuming Your | ||
| body starts burning the fat in your body. | ||
| Your hormone profile is hugely, you know, by fats, you know. | ||
| Whereas there's a difference between if your body's designed to burn carbohydrates, if it doesn't have any carbohydrates, you crash. | ||
| So that's a big difference, too. | ||
| The feeling that I get in between meals, I don't get the same kind of hungry. | ||
| The hungry that I was getting when I was eating a lot of carbs, I would get this, oh fuck, I gotta eat now, I gotta eat now. | ||
| I do not get that now. | ||
| I don't get that weak, crashed feeling. | ||
| I can get up in the morning after not having eaten since like 8 o'clock at night, I can get up at 9 o'clock in the morning and I'll lift weights. | ||
| And I don't feel weak. | ||
| That's unusual. | ||
| That feels weird. | ||
| To not have the same hunger cravings. | ||
| Because your body regulates itself better. | ||
| It burns off your fat. | ||
| I've been doing this for a long time. | ||
| So back in 1995, I moved to California to go to USC. Started training at Gold's Gym Venice and started training with Mike O'Hearn and this other guy, Ron Fedko, who's getting his PhD. | ||
| So I go into the gym and these guys are a lot stronger than me. | ||
| They're squatting 700-800 pounds and I'm around the 600 pound mark. | ||
| They basically said, hey, you're too fat. | ||
| You've got to lose weight. | ||
| You can't be too 40. You need to be in the 198 weight class. | ||
| I'm like, I have no idea how to do that. | ||
| I'm just a kid from Poughkeepsie that moved out here. | ||
| I have no idea what the bodybuilding lifestyle is about or anything. | ||
| And he said, look, just eat red meat and water until you're... | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah, red meat and water. | ||
| So I did that for... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| When I came back from New York to go back to school and lift with these guys again after the summer, I think I weighed 196. And so I came back like, wow, you did it. | ||
| And I was kind of stupid. | ||
| He said vegetables were fair game. | ||
| He said if you're really dying, you could have like an apple here or there. | ||
| But it was basically bread, meat, and water. | ||
| But for me, I was naive. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| And that was kind of a good thing for me because I just dove in headfirst. | ||
| What were your shits like and how often did they come out? | ||
| No, it's fine. | ||
| Every four or five days? | ||
| You gotta lift up a manhole cover and just take your shit right in there. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| I was absolutely fine. | ||
| I was stronger. | ||
| I went in the meat. | ||
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I think I squatted 650. Why did you stop eating like that? | |
| I just don't think it's sustainable forever. | ||
| That's one of the issues with the keto diet. | ||
| It gets to be hard to do for really, really long, like years. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It just gets to be tough. | ||
| You mean psychologically? | ||
| You just run into roadblocks here and there, and then you get triggers for food. | ||
| You know, somebody has a fucking birthday and then there you are eating birthday cake and it just kind of can snowball and you might end up into something else. | ||
| Or, you know, you might, depending on what sport you're into, maybe you have different goals at different periods of time. | ||
| So sometimes you want to be small and sometimes you want to be bigger. | ||
| So, but when you say roadblocks, you don't mean like, you mean more psychological. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, the diet's fine. | ||
| You're not going to like have some sort of weird, you know, blood issue or anything like that. | ||
| Yeah, I just think I'm going to give myself a cheat day every couple months. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's how I think I'm going to do it. | ||
| Just one day. | ||
| You have an amazing iron will, you know, and a lot of people don't have that. | ||
| It's not that hard, man. | ||
| There's kids in Ethiopia right now that don't have any feet. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| How hard is that? | ||
| I'm eating elk steaks and sautéed kale and fresh eggs and avocados. | ||
| It's all great. | ||
| I feel great, man. | ||
| You have your own chickens, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel great, so I'm going to stick with it. | ||
| I really think this might be the way I eat. | ||
| People are so annoyed with me, though, because I talk about it too much. | ||
| I think it's the best way to eat. | ||
| We've always thought that. | ||
| We have a friend, John Anderson, who hasn't eaten carbohydrates in years. | ||
| No carbs? | ||
| No carbs. | ||
| He's huge. | ||
| Well, not no carbs. | ||
| As he likes to put it, those little motherfuckers are everywhere. | ||
| Carbohydrates are in everything, but he pretty much despises the act of actually sitting down and eating rice or eating potatoes. | ||
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Really? | |
| But it's so good. | ||
| I know. | ||
| He used to do strongman competitions, and he said when he did strongman competitions, the turnover rate from going from one event to the next, he had to eat carbohydrates. | ||
| But he said that once he retired from strongman, where strength wasn't his main focus anymore, he's like, I get rid of all that shit, and I just basically just eat meat and vegetables. | ||
| Any bodybuilding diet, they have a lot of carbohydrates. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they stuff themselves with carbs, put on weight. | ||
| So can John Anderson continue to get bigger and stronger? | ||
| No, you're not going to... | ||
| I don't think you can win like Mr. Olympia without carbohydrates because I think there's a whole thing to the hormones of the insulin and everything. | ||
| It's a whole thing that's way too complicated for me to understand. | ||
| But I just don't... | ||
| I think you're limited. | ||
| Whenever you limit any macronutrient, then you're going to have some limitations probably, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting. | ||
| It's an interesting situation where you're trying to figure out what's the best stuff to put into your body to get the best performance and the best feeling out of it. | ||
| And then you factor in convenience, social things, customary things. | ||
| You think about someone who's actually doing MMA, like a competitor, it'd probably be a mistake to completely get rid of the carbohydrates. | ||
| I guess the main question would be, If it's to lose weight to get to the next weight class, then it would be something you'd do for a period of time. | ||
| But if other athletes are successful with the carbohydrates in there, why wouldn't you just utilize them? | ||
| Some guys have gone vegan. | ||
| They try to go vegan to lose weight. | ||
| Oh, by the way, all you vegan dorks that keep tweeting me. | ||
| Don't say it. | ||
| Don't say it. | ||
| All you vegan dorks that keep tweeting me and Instagramming me about Nate Diaz, he's not vegan. | ||
| So stop. | ||
| Just cut this shit. | ||
| People are saying he's vegan? | ||
| Yeah, these vegans went crazy. | ||
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How does it feel to know a vegan is the best fighter in the world? | |
| You got beat by a vegan. | ||
| They're all jumped on the vegan. | ||
| He eats fish, you fucks. | ||
| He eats eggs, and he eats fish. | ||
| He likes green plants, so what? | ||
| It's good for you. | ||
| Look, green plants are very good for you. | ||
| I've heard you say that in your comedy. | ||
| The fucking cult attached to these people. | ||
| They're so unbelievably proselytizing. | ||
| They're just ridiculous. | ||
| But what they don't realize, too, is if I have friends that are vegan and they never talk about it, they never push it on me, and I'm actually interested in finding out why they want... | ||
| To do that, right? | ||
| So I asked them about it. | ||
| They're not pushing it down my throat. | ||
| Well, most of what Nate eats is raw. | ||
| He eats a lot of raw foods, and he did that for a long time. | ||
| And he tried raw vegan for a while, but he felt like he needed to substitute it with chicken or with fish. | ||
| So he doesn't eat any land animals, but he does eat eggs, I believe. | ||
| I know he eats breads. | ||
| I've seen him eat tacos and shit, so he eats tortillas. | ||
| He was fucking awesome in that fight. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| And the reason why he won, by the way, is not because he's a fucking vegan, you assholes. | ||
| He's healthy, and he's got very good endurance. | ||
| He's got a really good endurance base, and he's a really good boxer, man. | ||
| His boxing is nasty, and his jiu-jitsu is top-notch. | ||
| Nate Diaz has been around for a long time. | ||
| In 20-some-odd fights, I think, in the UFC. He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| And all you vegan folks, I'm not mad at you. | ||
| Honestly. | ||
| It's just, you gotta understand that that thing that you guys do where you go after people and you fucking insult them, it just makes people more reluctant to associate with you, to want to be a vegan. | ||
| It makes people more reluctant. | ||
| And it makes people think you're ridiculous. | ||
| They're in a cult. | ||
| They're like in a religion. | ||
| And they're like trying to get other people to actively join. | ||
| Yeah, why are you shooting deer when you have a dog as a pet? | ||
| It's like, well, that's just fucking what's acceptable, man. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, it's not just that. | ||
| If you don't shoot deer, you dummies, they fucking overpopulate unless you want to bring in wolves. | ||
| There's nothing out there stopping deer from fucking and making babies. | ||
| You guys, you have this delusional, fairy tale, Walt Disney-ized view of wildlife, and it's stupid. | ||
| Deer condoms? | ||
| And it's a really uncomfortable fucking discussion that you guys don't want to have. | ||
| Because if you do have it, you're going to wind up feeling really fucking stupid because there's a reality. | ||
| They're killing hundreds of bison in Yellowstone Park right now. | ||
| They're going to fucking shoot them. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because there's no hunting. | ||
| Because there's too many of them. | ||
| They're going to start shooting grizzly bears, too. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because there's too fucking many of them. | ||
| If something's got to kill them, and you've got to bring in predators, or you're going to have overpopulation problems. | ||
| What about people? | ||
| People are the most overpopulated thing on the planet. | ||
| Well then, don't fuck. | ||
| Stop fucking. | ||
| Stop having babies. | ||
| Shut your mouth. | ||
| The whole thing is preposterous, but it was amazing the next day the amount of fucking tweets from vegans that were so excited that a vegan won. | ||
| This ought to stop them. | ||
| It's not going to stop them. | ||
| This speech, no, I'm kidding. | ||
| They're going to go extra hard. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Well, they're in a cult. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's the cult of vegetables, and they think they're going to save their life. | ||
| A lot of people that have gone vegan or vegetarian, like Rob Wolf, who wrote that paleo book, and he does not hardcore paleo, but he got very sick from it. | ||
| I hear that all the time. | ||
| From people who went vegan? | ||
| I went vegan, I got really sick. | ||
| And actually, when I was in rehab, there was a kid that was vegan. | ||
| He was eating Oreos all the time. | ||
| I'm like, that's so gross. | ||
| Why are you going to... | ||
| What the fuck is that about? | ||
| They're vegan. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, but you're not a real vegan. | ||
| That's like bullshit vegan, you know? | ||
| Well, it's vegan, but it's shitty for you. | ||
| There's a lot of stuff that's meat. | ||
| Gummy bears. | ||
| Well, actually, gummy bears are actually gelatin. | ||
| It's probably not vegan. | ||
| But there's some... | ||
| Gummy bears are great. | ||
| Just don't eat the whole thing, like you said in your set. | ||
| Oh, that's a different kind of gummy bear. | ||
| Pot gummy bear? | ||
| That's true. | ||
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That's a true story. | |
| That was amazing. | ||
| You're like, why do they fucking sell it that way then? | ||
| Dude, only eat the head. | ||
| Why? | ||
| What's going to happen? | ||
| It's true, too. | ||
| That's a true story. | ||
| For me to hear that kind of stuff, I don't know anything about that world. | ||
| It's so cool for me to hear about that kind of stuff because I don't know anything about any of these kind of drugs. | ||
| So I'm just like, this sounds amazing. | ||
| Edible pot is a motherfucker, man. | ||
| You've got to be real careful. | ||
| But you can be healthy on a vegan diet. | ||
| You just have to be careful, and you have to supplement. | ||
| And you might have to supplement with vitamin B12, which comes from animals. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know people that are on vegan diets that are also very healthy, but they're doing it the right way, I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've got to be diligent. | ||
| There's also biodiversity where some people it works better than it does for other people. | ||
| I know John Fitch tried a vegan diet for a while and it helped him for a little while, but then after a while he just felt weak. | ||
| Initially it helped him a lot. | ||
| He felt like he had more endurance and he felt healthier, but slowly but surely he felt weaker and weaker. | ||
| And then he just didn't feel like he could compete at 170 without eating some sort of animal protein. | ||
| But you can get animal protein if you're worried about the ethical consequences of it. | ||
| You could get it from eggs, and you don't have to hurt anybody. | ||
| I have eggs. | ||
| These chickens, they're pets. | ||
| I could walk up to them and pick them up. | ||
| They're not getting harmed. | ||
| There's no factory farm situation. | ||
| And if you have a backyard, you can have that. | ||
| And they free-range. | ||
| They walk around. | ||
| You're going to have to deal with the fact they eat bugs. | ||
| If you see something that says vegetarian-fed chickens, well, those poor fucking chickens, it's not their idea. | ||
| They want to eat everything. | ||
| Those little motherfuckers. | ||
| I fed them a mouse once. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| I heard that episode where they tore it apart and your kids were there and stuff, right? | ||
| They're fucking... | ||
| My kids weren't there for the... | ||
| The mouse chicken eating it. | ||
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Sacrifice. | |
| Well, it sort of highlights how crazy people are when it comes to animals and the hierarchy of what's okay to live and what's okay to die. | ||
| We bought these pinkies for a hawk. | ||
| A hawk flew into a window and got knocked the fuck out and hurt its wing. | ||
| And so we had to bring the hawk to one of those wildlife rescue places. | ||
| And so in the meantime, this poor hawk was with us for a day over the weekend. | ||
| We had to get it some food. | ||
| So my family went to a pet food stop and got these pinkies, these mice they feed to snakes. | ||
| And they're like basically little babies. | ||
| It's kind of fucked up. | ||
| And you feed them to the hawk. | ||
| And that's what kept the hawk alive while we had them. | ||
| And everybody's happy. | ||
| Like, oh, the hawk's still okay. | ||
| The hawk's going to be okay. | ||
| Fuck you, mouse. | ||
| But then there was this one mouse left. | ||
| My daughter wanted to keep it as a pet. | ||
| I'm like, you can't. | ||
| It's going to die. | ||
| It doesn't have its mom. | ||
| It needs to be fed. | ||
| And so I decided to feed it to the chicken. | ||
| They're crying. | ||
| No, don't do it. | ||
| But you fed it to a hawk! | ||
| They're never going to forgive you. | ||
| But the moment that thing touched down, those fucking chickens mauled it, those little dinosaurs. | ||
| They're monsters. | ||
| Yeah, my in-laws have chickens, and yeah, they'll kind of eat whatever, anything put in front of them. | ||
| They killed a mouse, an actual mouse too, not a pinky, but a mouse mouse that got into the cage. | ||
| They have a big chicken coop. | ||
| They get attacked by themselves? | ||
| You lose some of them here and there? | ||
| No, they fuck each other up. | ||
| They peck each other up. | ||
| They fucking decide to start jacking each other. | ||
| What's going on in their brains? | ||
| Yeah, my dog killed a couple of them, unfortunately. | ||
| And a coyote got one once. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I was talking about. | ||
| Yeah, that happens quite a bit. | ||
| It does happen. | ||
| But they fucking kill everything. | ||
| Those chickens, they will fucking kill anything that's small. | ||
| Like, they peck my daughter, and my wife was like, well, they're just dumb. | ||
| They don't know any better. | ||
| I go, no, they're trying to eat her. | ||
| They just can't fucking eat her. | ||
| Are you crazy? | ||
| She's little. | ||
| They're trying to figure out if she's little enough for them to eat. | ||
| They're fucking little dinosaurs, man. | ||
| After I heard that episode and you talk about it, I had my girlfriend listen to it because she loves chicken. | ||
| She thinks it's so much healthier, cleaner than anything else. | ||
| I'm like, listen to this shit. | ||
| Kind of messed her up a little bit. | ||
| Well, chicken is healthy. | ||
| No, no, I know. | ||
| I'm just saying that just when you hear that, you're kind of like taken aback, you know? | ||
| Look, factory farming, I think everybody can agree, is a monstrous side effect of civilization. | ||
| It's horrific. | ||
| And that's what's really wrong with the way we get our food. | ||
| Yeah, you stuff so many of them in a cage and all that kind of stuff. | ||
| The documentary Food Inc., have you seen it? | ||
| Yes, I have. | ||
| That's a great documentary. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| That's the darkness. | ||
| And if you feel better from not consuming animals, good for you. | ||
| The problem is not those people. | ||
| The problem is those people that are aggressively douchey to anybody who eats meat. | ||
| They just, oh my god, I get them. | ||
| I troll them now. | ||
| I put hashtag vegan on meat dishes when I fucking cook anything that has meat in it. | ||
| I'm with you on that. | ||
| Let's start hashtagging that. | ||
| Well, you can just say you're vegan for certain meals, too, because I see you post stuff on salads, right? | ||
| Oh, I eat a lot of salads. | ||
| Yeah, vegan meal. | ||
| Hashtag vegan meal. | ||
| Most of my breakfast, most of the time, if I'm not eating eggs, I'm eating a kale shake. | ||
| That's not how they take it. | ||
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You're either in or you're out of the club, man. | |
| Either you're in or you're in the way. | ||
| I understand their motivation. | ||
| I just think the way they go about it is so wrong, and it turns people off. | ||
| It's like the people that are against fur throwing paint on people. | ||
| That's not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to make somebody mad. | ||
| That's it. | ||
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A lot of those animals that they get fur from are cunts. | |
| How about that? | ||
| Martin. | ||
| You ever see that video? | ||
| We showed that video last week of the Martin chasing down the rabbit. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| It's this Martin... | ||
| I didn't even know what a Martin was until I watched those Alaska shows. | ||
| You ever see those shows like the Alaska guys that live in the mountains and go fur trapping and shit? | ||
| A Martin is like this little weasel and it's not any bigger than a rabbit. | ||
| And this rabbit's running and the Martin's running after it and they're filming it on this like snowy road and it's a long chase. | ||
| I mean like hundreds and hundreds of yards. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at that little fucker running. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Yeah, he's hauling ass. | ||
| And he's chasing after this rabbit. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And this rabbit is up ahead of him. | ||
| What is the name of this video if somebody wants to watch it if they're listening to this podcast? | ||
| It says, Martin Chasing Down Rabbit. | ||
| I put it on my Twitter a long time ago. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| And this is like halfway into the video. | ||
| Jamie did it in the middle. | ||
| What are they filming? | ||
| iPhone. | ||
| The rabbit goes off. | ||
| Like a snowmobile or something? | ||
| No, it's a car. | ||
| The rabbit goes off into the side and then, boom! | ||
| The motherfucker grabs him. | ||
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Rawr! | |
| God damn. | ||
| But look, they're the same size. | ||
| The rabbit is even actually bigger than the Martin. | ||
| But he jacks him with his face and then drags him up the hill. | ||
| And that's what they make fur coats out of? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a big one for fur trappers, Martins. | ||
| Not that there's anything wrong with what the Martin did. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| That's how they live. | ||
| Just a mean bastard, that's all. | ||
| That's how he gets by. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's hard out there for a pimp. | ||
| Cold as fuck where they live. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Living up there in Alaska. | ||
| Did you get any conclusions out of doing this documentary? | ||
| I mean, is there anything that you got out of it where you think it's important for people to know? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I've learned a lot myself. | ||
| I think the number one thing that I've learned is very simple. | ||
| I'm not educated enough or have enough experience to really save anybody. | ||
| I think anybody out there that has a friend or a family member struggling with drugs or alcohol, the number one thing that you can constantly do is drive them towards getting help, whatever that help is, whether it's going to AA meetings, whether it's going to Maybe just make them aware that they need help. | ||
| They might not even know. | ||
| Driving them towards getting help because that's like the most important thing that you can do. | ||
| A lot of people will talk shit about AA and say it doesn't work, but I've seen it work. | ||
| I've seen every Saturday morning in Down in Palisades, there's a meeting, there's like 200 guys there. | ||
| And a lot of these people have been sober for 30 years, you know, so they're still going to meetings and they're still helping people and it's a great community. | ||
| That's kind of a part of it too, right? | ||
| Being in a community of sober people, you don't want to disappoint the other people in the community. | ||
| The people I've met in AA are some of my best friends. | ||
| They're like the best, you know, like they're all, everybody's trying to do good. | ||
| You know, like they've maybe messed up in the past and we feel bad about it. | ||
| Now everything we do is geared towards like trying to help people and do good. | ||
| Jamie, did you pull up anything on Ibogaine and how Ibogaine works? | ||
| I found a couple stories, but they weren't really... | ||
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I didn't find actual chemical processes or anything. | |
| How do you spell it? | ||
| I-B-O-G-A-I-N-E, I think? | ||
| Is that how you spell it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm going to say something just to... | ||
| Full report tomorrow. | ||
| I'm going to say something just to contrast him a little bit. | ||
| You don't need to be an expert to help somebody. | ||
| You can help somebody. | ||
| Like he's saying, drive them towards making sure they're getting help. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Also, an issue with my oldest brother is, especially with my oldest brother, I kind of felt like I don't know anything about all this addiction stuff. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| He's bipolar, but I don't know if he's bipolar in the ups and downs or because of the drugs or a combination thereof. | ||
| I don't know what the hell's going on. | ||
| So I almost felt defeated in a way. | ||
| And then anyone out there listening that has dealt with addicts before, you get burned by them so many times that it just leaves you with a sour taste in your mouth and you don't even really want to help to a certain point. | ||
| But you have to help. | ||
| You have to continue to reach out. | ||
| You have to realize that it's not... | ||
| The person is becoming a different person over a period of time. | ||
| They're not the same person that they once were and you have to try to help them. | ||
| And you don't need to be an expert. | ||
| You don't need to know shit about addiction. | ||
| All you need to know is that they need to get help and that a lot of the stuff that's happening, and you'll kind of hear them say it over and over again, they blame stuff on other people all the time. | ||
| It's not really their fault. | ||
| They literally don't have control anymore. | ||
| I don't want to make excuses for people, but that's the predicament that they get, and that's a predicament my oldest brother was in, and we weren't able to pull him out of it, and that's a predicament that he was in, and we're able to Are able to save his life. | ||
| It was one of the things you brought up in the documentary is bipolar and the diagnosis for bipolar and how many more people were diagnosed. | ||
| It went up 5,000% in 10 years or something like that. | ||
| And what is the excuse for that? | ||
| Is that they did not? | ||
| I don't know before, or is it just that they're trying to sell people medication? | ||
| Yeah, they're trying to sell people on stuff. | ||
| And that happened with Adderall and Ritalin as well. | ||
| I think that bipolar is definitely a real thing, and I think the real bipolar is a lot more rare than is being diagnosed. | ||
| What does bipolar exactly mean? | ||
| It just means that you're at different poles. | ||
| One time, you know, you're really happy and, hey, it's so great to see you. | ||
| Another time, you're an asshole. | ||
| You know, so it's just both opposite ends of the spectrum. | ||
| Which is kind of ironic because that's how our addicts are. | ||
| Yeah, and we all have that anyway. | ||
| Like, we all have a little bit of like, hey, I'm really happy. | ||
| They wouldn't treat our brother sometimes for certain things because they wanted him to get clean first. | ||
| But it's like, shit, you know, he's already an addict. | ||
| How the fuck do we get him clean? | ||
| They didn't want to treat the bipolar. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| There's similar things. | ||
| Mark says something really important in the documentary. | ||
| He said, I talked to our older brother, and the one thing that he said to me is the only time I felt normal was when I was in jail, because I was completely sober. | ||
| He had gotten thrown in jail for, like, being somebody up. | ||
| Yeah, and I was like, well, shit, maybe you're not bipolar. | ||
| Yeah, maybe you're not bipolar. | ||
| Maybe it's all the stuff you're taking. | ||
| Maybe a lot of the drugs are the biggest part of it, you know? | ||
| Wow, so how long was he in jail for? | ||
| Three months. | ||
| And that time, he felt okay. | ||
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| Yeah, I know. | ||
| That was the craziest thing to me, too. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| And then when he got out, he just started going back to his old ways? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he would just go up and down. | ||
| What did he get thrown in jail for? | ||
| It was just a violating probation. | ||
| I mean, he was a bouncer at a bunch of bars, and he got into so many fights. | ||
| A town badass. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Beat up a lot of people. | ||
| If there was MMA around back then, he might have had a career. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he was kind of that guy. | ||
| He never was a bully. | ||
| He never bossed anybody around. | ||
| But if he saw you and somebody was choking you, he'd go up and kick the guy's ass. | ||
| Right. | ||
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| And it was never enough for him either to just hit somebody. | ||
| You know, you had to fucking throw a bar stool on top of him or something afterwards. | ||
| He was one of those guys. | ||
| So the bipolar diagnosis and the fact that after he was in jail for three months, he felt totally normal. | ||
| Do you think that all the highs and lows are just coming from the drugs in his system and out of his system and the fluctuating levels and just didn't know how to feel? | ||
| I think that's a big part of it. | ||
| I mean, I can't really speak for him, but I know for myself, when I was trying to get off of the drugs, I went on a horrible drug called Suboxone, which is a miracle drug for the time you need it. | ||
| But the problem is I was on it for eight months instead of for, you know, one week. | ||
| That's a heroin drug, right? | ||
| It's an opiate that helps you get off of other opiates. | ||
| So it's kind of a weird thing. | ||
| Did that make you feel high when you're on that stuff? | ||
| No. | ||
| You don't really feel high. | ||
| You just don't feel sick. | ||
| And so what happened to me, I was on it for like a really long extended period of time and I felt completely out of whack all the time. | ||
| I felt like very up and down because if I didn't have the drug in me, I would have like anxiety. | ||
| Oh my God, I'm going to get withdrawals. | ||
| If I was running out of it, I'd get anxiety. | ||
| I just had so many ups and downs from that particular drug and I think also from the opiate painkillers. | ||
| They always made me somebody that I wasn't. | ||
| They always like made me Call my girlfriend at the time and yell at her. | ||
| Do some asshole thing that wasn't me. | ||
| They made you do that. | ||
| You felt compelled to do that in a way that you would never feel compelled to do it if you weren't on it. | ||
| You always break it down to the truth. | ||
| They didn't force me to do it, but while I was on those, I exhibited behavior that I wouldn't normally do. | ||
| Well, the fucking girl in the movie lights herself on fire. | ||
| That story was so fucking sad. | ||
| That story killed me, but... | ||
| They make you do some crazy shit. | ||
| When I say make, I think they literally kind of make you do some crazy stuff because I don't think you're really in that much control anymore. | ||
| Well, your brain is a bunch of synapses and a bunch of neurochemicals reacting and there's a bunch of shit going on. | ||
| When you add some new shit in there and you're throwing some massive opiates in there and all of a sudden... | ||
| All the signals are all fucking crossed, and everything's firing, goofy. | ||
| It's literally not you. | ||
| And it goes to that same fact of like, I think therapy is really important for people, and I think therapy is something that you get to do. | ||
| It's not something you have to do. | ||
| You kind of get to do it. | ||
| It's like a luxury, I think. | ||
| And the thing is that a lot of people will go to therapy, and then they want to get a drug with it. | ||
| Like I said, we have this drug-seeking behavior where we're like, well, a pill will fix me, but talking to this guy is not going to fix me when actually talking to the guy is what can fix you, what can be the cure. | ||
| It's like we have these things called escape fires. | ||
| I don't know if you know what that is, but like in firefighting, You know, there was this giant fire and there was 15 firefighters on a hill. | ||
| And a guy, one of the guys said, hey, I'm going to light a fire to make the fire jump over this thing. | ||
| And people were like, and we'll be safe. | ||
| And everybody was like, no, that's not going to work. | ||
| And the guy lit a match and did it. | ||
| And he was the only one that survived. | ||
| Everybody else was trying to get off the mountain and they all died. | ||
| And like, that's the problem with America. | ||
| Wait a minute, how does that work? | ||
| I'm just saying, well, it's called an escape fire, so you can light a fire to make the fire sort of go around you. | ||
| I don't know exactly how that works, but what I'm saying is the answer a lot of times can be right in front of our face. | ||
| I can say, you know what, this person needs therapy, and the person won't do it. | ||
| So that's a big problem with America. | ||
| We want an answer. | ||
| We want a solution. | ||
| We want a pill. | ||
| We want a quick fix. | ||
| We want a pill to get you off pills. | ||
| But if I'm standing there, I say, you know what, guys? | ||
| Come with me. | ||
| I have the answer. | ||
| Everybody's like, no, you don't. | ||
| We already know that that's not a good answer. | ||
| So I think that's a problem. | ||
| We have to open our eyes and open our minds and start thinking of different ways to heal pain, to cure pain. | ||
| I mean, you're never going to cure it. | ||
| You're going to hold it down for a while. | ||
| The only way to like fix something really is like surgery or like you said stem cells now and everything's so Progressive that I like I have a shoulder that I have a rotator cuff Surgery that I need to have and I've just held off on getting the surgery because I feel like get you know cutting my shoulder open and doing whatever is gonna do more damage and actually You know, fix it, which is maybe a stupid thing to think, but I'm actually trying to figure out, like, hey, are stem cells good? | ||
| Is there another answer to this, you know? | ||
| I haven't found it yet, but, you know, maybe I will, and if I don't, then I'll go get the surgery, but I'm trying to explore other options. | ||
| Yeah, it's not a bad idea to explore other options, but it really depends entirely upon how badly your shoulder's damaged, how badly the structure of the joint is damaged. | ||
| And the shoulder's a weird one because it moves so weird. | ||
| It's got so many different ways it can articulate. | ||
| It's a tear in the rotator cuff. | ||
| Super common. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, one of the things that we talked about before about these advertising, the ability to advertise for drugs, I don't know if they're ever going to take that down, but I think that that is one of the more disturbing aspects of the pharmaceutical industry because we all know that advertising gets people to buy shit. | ||
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| And it's not that big of a problem when it's a car or when it's an iPhone. | ||
| I don't have a problem with it. | ||
| You know, I mean, people can say, well, it supports consumerism and materialism, and that's not bad. | ||
| That's not good for our culture. | ||
| You could be strong enough to get past that, and I think you're going to be all right. | ||
| But the pill thing... | ||
| Well, it's different. | ||
| We trust doctors. | ||
| Like, you don't go to a car dealership trusting a car dealer to be like... | ||
| Give me the best bargain. | ||
| Yeah, take care of your life. | ||
| Also, they suggest that you ask your doctor. | ||
| Like, shouldn't your fucking doctor tell you what medication you need? | ||
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| And do you know that people that ask their doctor when they go in, the stats say, when you go in and ask your doctor for a pill, 75% of the people will get that pill. | ||
| So that's crazy because here's what happens with doctors. | ||
| The doctors are over-prescribing for sure, but their hands are tied because if I go into a doctor and I tell them I'm in pain, their job, according to the medical industry, their job is to get me out of pain. | ||
| So how do they get me out of pain? | ||
| They give me opiate painkillers. | ||
| They give me all these different things to get me out of pain. | ||
| Now, if they don't get me out of pain and I fill out a doctor survey and say, you know what? | ||
| My doctor didn't get me out of pain. | ||
| That doctor gets a bad rating. | ||
| They get enough bad ratings, they can lose their license. | ||
| So there's a lot of pressure on doctors. | ||
| Also, how the hell does anybody know how much pain you're in? | ||
| Yeah, that's a big one, right? | ||
| Neck pain or back pain. | ||
| It really hurts. | ||
| Anybody can say that they've got something wrong with their back. | ||
| And I talk about painkillers. | ||
| You know, painkillers are actually a great thing for acute pain. | ||
| So you get in a car accident, you have a broken leg, whatever. | ||
| You take some Oxycontin, you don't feel it, and you take that for, what, two or three days? | ||
| You don't take that for months because then you become a drug addict. | ||
| So I think that if also the prescribing and the number of actual pills we give people needs to come down, we just make way too many drugs. | ||
| Is it all just money driven, you think? | ||
| Because if you get a ticket, you get a speeding ticket, that's on your record, and you get another speeding ticket and it shows up, right? | ||
| How come they don't have something similar with drugs? | ||
| You know, when you get prescribed a drug, like, how come you don't have, like, a record? | ||
| Well, there is. | ||
| At least within the state, right? | ||
| In California, there is a thing, but the problem is not everybody's required to use it. | ||
| It's not mandatory. | ||
| So, when that kind of stuff becomes mandatory... | ||
| It should be fucking mandatory. | ||
| Because a lot of people say, well, it's my privacy. | ||
| Like, if I go to Costco, Costco shouldn't be able to know what I get at Walgreens. | ||
| And I'm like, you know what? | ||
| At some point, we have to lose that privacy issue because it's killing people. | ||
| Well, to protect people, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, to protect people. | ||
| I think sometimes in society, we need laws to protect people from these things. | ||
| Themselves, yeah. | ||
| Well, that's what caused the whole OxyContin industry in Florida, was that they didn't have a database, where you could go to a doctor, get a prescription, then go down the road, get another prescription from another doctor. | ||
| When the Vanguard released that piece of the OxyContin Express, which really kind of highlighted that, and it showed a bunch of people in that. | ||
| People that eventually wound up dying of overdoses, but when they followed them around and found out how easy it is to go to these pain management centers, that's what changed the industry. | ||
| And that's what also changed the pills to be able to crush them up and smoke them when you can't do that anymore. | ||
| So they call those pill mills. | ||
| They have pill mills and people just go. | ||
| There's people at West Virginia. | ||
| There's a movie called OxyContin. | ||
| I've pretty much seen every drug movie now. | ||
| So OxyContin was a pretty interesting movie where it was just about one single town in West Virginia. | ||
| And that's like the nickname of the town. | ||
| And these people drive from West Virginia down to Florida, get like a thousand pills, come back and sell them all. | ||
| And that's what they do. | ||
| And for West Virginia, they got a lot of money doing it and stuff like that, you know, because everything's cheaper there. | ||
| But they've caused an epidemic there. | ||
| There's, you know, a couple hundred people that live in that town, and there's a couple people that are trafficking all these drugs in and making this huge problem. | ||
| Yeah, those depression commercials are particularly problematic, man, where everybody's smiling, there's butterflies and flowers, and you see the sun coming up on the person's face, and all of a sudden they're smiling again, and you want that. | ||
| It's really dangerous because it's so influential. | ||
| You watch a commercial, and those commercials, it's visual, there's music playing, there's a pretty girl, and it's so influential. | ||
| They have those little sad, like, not like stick figures, but little fat, chubby faces. | ||
| Little, like, round moons. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The whole point of the advertisement is really to sell you, like, they have to list the side effects, right? | ||
| That's part of it. | ||
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| Like that, real quick. | ||
| But the thing is, the whole rest of the commercial is just to distract you from the side effects. | ||
| One of the commercials is showing a woman, which, you know, it's fine, but it just seems random. | ||
| They show this woman getting like this, like a backhoe, and she's operating this backhoe. | ||
| And as she's operating this backhoe, they say, don't operate heavy machinery while using this product. | ||
| And you're like, this is so backwards. | ||
| She's operating some sort of crane or a backhoe, and she's like... | ||
| In like a business outfit. | ||
| Yeah, and they're like, don't operate heavy machinery. | ||
| And you're like... | ||
| Where are these people getting, you know, who are the ad wizards behind this one? | ||
| And then the other thing was the saying that medication for depression didn't do any better, didn't get people any less depressed than any other method of treating it. | ||
| Yeah, and like you said, you had a friend that, you know, he did some antidepressants and it helped him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| If he just got off fucking Propecia, it might have cut it off right there. | ||
| Yeah, and also, though, I don't know enough about it to say people, like, shouldn't take this or shouldn't take that. | ||
| What I'd say is, like, look into it more. | ||
| You know, you have to become your own doctor, you know? | ||
| And if I say, like, look, I know how effective antidepressants are, how effective they're not, but if I say it, people just slam me for it. | ||
| They're like, oh, this guy, you know, he's not a doctor, whatever. | ||
| So what I'm saying to you is go out and do your research on it, you know, and find out how effective or non-effective your drug is. | ||
| It just seems crazy that they're allowed to advertise, and that seems like something we have to stop. | ||
| But the amount of money that they have, I mean, that woman on that documentary... | ||
| It controls Congress. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The woman in the documentary whose niece burnt herself to death, she said it best. | ||
| They're drug pushers. | ||
| It was her, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're legal drug pushers. | ||
| And the fact that we allow them to advertise on television like that, that's got to stop. | ||
| It's got to stop. | ||
| We did it with tobacco. | ||
| We took tobacco off TV. There's still a large amount of people that die from smoking cigarettes. | ||
| It's sort of their freedom now. | ||
| It's their choice. | ||
| They know it's bad. | ||
| It has a warning on it. | ||
| It says, this could kill you. | ||
| If used as directed, this could kill you. | ||
| And these pills aren't saying that. | ||
| No, they're not saying that, but documentaries like yours are. | ||
| And I think we need more stuff like that. | ||
| We need more things like what you did where people get a hold of it and they watch it and they listen to the message and they go, you know what? | ||
| This is something that needs to be talked about. | ||
| This is something that you're not hearing our leaders talk about. | ||
| You're not hearing our politicians talk about who are running for office. | ||
| They're not talking about this massive epidemic that's killing more people than car accidents. | ||
| That was another interesting statistic from your movie. | ||
| That pill overdoses kill more people every year than car accidents. | ||
| I'm lucky I came out the other side and my brother didn't. | ||
| Our brother Mad Dog, he didn't make it out the other side. | ||
| I've lost two friends. | ||
| I've lost two friends to OxyContin. | ||
| We lost an uncle as well. | ||
| And my goal is just to help people... | ||
| Not being the predicament I was in. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| I have people email me on Facebook and I encourage people, tweet me, email me, ask me questions. | ||
| I'm not too busy to help somebody in need. | ||
| There's so many people out here listening to you that are listening to this podcast that are just like us, that know people that have died. | ||
| There's so many. | ||
| It's such a fucking epidemic. | ||
| And like you said, that one guy acting really weird. | ||
| If you have a friend that's acting strange, it's not showing up on time to certain things that's avoiding you when you call them and just not communicating with you anymore. | ||
| You're going to have to try to figure out a way to reach out to that person because something's probably up. | ||
| And like, you know, rehab is very expensive and I want to tell people, don't use that as an excuse. | ||
| Don't use like, it's too expensive. | ||
| I can't afford it as an excuse. | ||
| Hit me up and we'll figure out how to get it done. | ||
| There's, AA is free. | ||
| There's a lot of, there's ways to do this. | ||
| Probably a lot of programs too, I'd imagine. | ||
| Yeah, there's ways to approach this. | ||
| There's government programs. | ||
| There's certain insurance you can get. | ||
| There's a lot of things that a lot of people don't know, and they should know. | ||
| So if somebody out there is struggling, feel free to hit me up and I'll help as many people as I can. | ||
| What else do you think that people need to know about the prescription drug industry that you think is not being talked about on a daily basis? | ||
| I think they're just being lied to. | ||
| A lot of people are being lied to. | ||
| These studies that they do, they only have to do two studies. | ||
| They only have to show the FDA two studies that are effective. | ||
| And when I say effective, they just mean they have to be slightly more effective than a sugar pill, which means like it could be just, you know, some crappy drug and, you know, and that could be the placebo effects. | ||
| And we say, I feel better because I'm taking this, right? | ||
| So that doesn't seem like as much of a hurdle as a drug companies make it out to be. | ||
| Yes, it costs, you know, a lot of money to get a drug to market. | ||
| Like they say, almost like a billion dollars sometimes just to get a drug to the market. | ||
| But they're gonna make so much more money off that and profit off that and then part of that money that in the research and development Well, just put it this way Last year, I think it was last year and John Oliver said this John Oliver did a great piece on this on his show And he says that I think last year that nine out of the top ten Drug companies spent more money on advertising than they did on research and development That's a big fuck you to all of us. | ||
| That is a big fuck you. | ||
| Yeah, right in all of our faces They save a lot of money for lawsuits, too. | ||
| That's like the price of business is them to save a lot of money, put a lot of money away, but then they do the calculations, they run the numbers, and they're like, okay, well, if this many people try to sue us for death or whatever the fuck is their problem, we're still going to make out with $4 billion or whatever it is. | ||
| There's all kinds of crazy stuff like that. | ||
| It's just factored into the profit margin. | ||
| If I sell $8 billion... | ||
| That's standard business practice. | ||
| GM does that and stuff. | ||
| A lot of companies, it's just the way people do stuff. | ||
| If I make $8 billion and I lost $2 billion in a lawsuit, who cares? | ||
| I'm $6 billion on top. | ||
| Yeah, the studies, the way you showed how they do their studies, too, that was really an eye-opening thing. | ||
| They have hundreds of studies and they don't have to show you the results. | ||
| The problem is, listen, if there's nothing wrong with this, if I'm not being lied to, then why the fuck did the FDA not do an interview with me? | ||
| They wouldn't do it? | ||
| No! | ||
| They're like, you can just look on our website. | ||
| All our shit's on our website. | ||
| Are you fucking kidding me? | ||
| I want to do an interview with you. | ||
| I want to talk to you. | ||
| I want to ask you questions. | ||
| I want to ask the DEA who's responsible for how many drugs are made each year. | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| These people are public servants. | ||
| They work for us and they won't do interviews. | ||
| And that's bullshit. | ||
| That's something that makes me angry because I had all these ideas for the movie. | ||
| I'm going to ask this guy. | ||
| I'm going to ask this guy. | ||
| They just don't want to talk to you. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| That's disturbing because you would feel like someone who's a public servant like that. | ||
| They should have some sort of a PR representative that has an obligation to state their policy. | ||
| Yeah, the PR representative told me, basically, I'm not NBC, I'm not CBS, I'm not HBO. I always do all my movies independently and then bring them to somebody afterwards. | ||
| That's kind of a tough thing, too, is not calling up and have the credentials. | ||
| Yeah, but you have two established documentaries that have done very well. | ||
| Yeah, I also think that people might have seen those documentaries and said, hey, we're not coming in our doors, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You fucking troublemaker. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Man, just bizarre, bizarre, bizarre world we live in where this is the norm. | ||
| These pills that people are taking, these consciousness-altering pills that they're trying to force down people's throats. | ||
| That was the other thing that I wanted to talk about. | ||
| The connection between statins And, like, how little statins work and the fact that statins, the people that sell them, also sell Viagra. | ||
| Yeah, so statin will make you impotent, and then they sell Viagra to, you know, give you a boner afterwards. | ||
| Well, there's that new commercial, too, with the constipation. | ||
| Oh yeah, if you're taking opiate pills and you're getting constipated, we have another pill for you. | ||
| That's probably the same goddamn company, right? | ||
| If you're taking a psych vet and it's not working, you've got to throw a bilify on top of that. | ||
| The bilify is supposed to be really scary for people, too. | ||
| It's all scary. | ||
| The bilify is one of those ones that really gives you rabid suicidal thoughts. | ||
| Wait a second. | ||
| Are doctors really telling me, telling us, you and me, that we need to take an antidepressant... | ||
| And if it doesn't work... | ||
| If it doesn't work, take another antidepressant. | ||
| On top of it. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Don't smoke weed. | ||
| That would be bad for you. | ||
| It seems like marijuana could fix those problems of anxiety and stress. | ||
| I've never really said marijuana fixing anxiety because it makes me anxious as fuck. | ||
| A little bit, yeah. | ||
| Well, it makes me aware. | ||
| I mean, I think that paranoia is just you being aware of how vulnerable you really are and how crazy the world really is. | ||
| You start thinking of weird shit, yeah. | ||
| You start thinking about it as, you know, what it is. | ||
| But statins, so statins don't really help you? | ||
| Well, look at that. | ||
| If you lower cholesterol, what's that going to do for you? | ||
| Well, there's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. | ||
| We have this idea in our head that we have to get rid of cholesterol. | ||
| Yeah, but I think lowering your cholesterol, they say, really doesn't have much of an effect on whether or not you're going to have a heart attack. | ||
| It's not like one of the markers anymore. | ||
| I think that the problem is... | ||
| Yeah, it's not as big of a factor as they once thought. | ||
| Do you really need to lower your cholesterol? | ||
| Do you really need to fix your diet and do it through other ways? | ||
| Well, it's responsible for a lot of brain function. | ||
| It's responsible for a lot of testosterone. | ||
| I think people's cholesterol and triglycerides and stuff go through the roof just because of poor eating habits, not necessarily because they eat saturated fats. | ||
| Yeah, well, saturated fats, that's another thing that people keep saying. | ||
| Saturated fats are bad for you. | ||
| They parrot old studies. | ||
| No, they're not bad for you. | ||
| Saturated fats, it depends entirely on what you're eating, what your body requirements are. | ||
| If you eat too much of anything, you're going to get fat, and that's not healthy. | ||
| If you're getting your saturated fats from pizza, it's probably not the best option, especially if you're eating four or five times a day or something. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| I love pizza. | ||
| Well, we're all adults, right? | ||
| But we're all learning from other adults that, you know, our parents and our parents' parents that didn't have much fucking information. | ||
| So we're growing up with these people that really didn't know what they were talking about. | ||
| They really didn't have any idea. | ||
| We were eating sugary cereal for breakfast and, you know, we just didn't know. | ||
| The studies that our parents had in the 1960s and the 1970s, what they had to go on, the information that they were given, it's just so poor in comparison to what we know now. | ||
| Jack O'Lane knew what was up. | ||
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He did. | |
| He did. | ||
| He was drinking juices and green juice on top of it. | ||
| What's funny is what I definitely want to do. | ||
| I was saying I have a project I want to do that basically, you know, one day you'll read in the newspaper that you should drink coffee. | ||
| It has all these health benefits. | ||
| And the next day you'll read that it's bad for you, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So you have all these conflicting things all the time. | ||
| Go vegan, don't go vegan. | ||
| Do keto, don't do... | ||
| And nobody really knows the truth. | ||
| And I don't know the truth. | ||
| So, like, that's what I want to do is go out and seek... | ||
| Basically do Mythbusters in the world of health and fitness because, like... | ||
| There are people out there that know. | ||
| We just have to go find them and expose them to the world so other people can know. | ||
| There are a few people out there that have a really good understanding of most of what they're talking about. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But the problem is when it comes to the human body, there's so many fucking variables. | ||
| And then there's also so many different types of people. | ||
| There's some people that just, they need different nutritional, they have different nutritional requirements than maybe you do or I do. | ||
| There's no getting around that. | ||
| We always talk about our friend, Dr. Lane Norton, who kind of brought flexible dieting to the forefront. | ||
| I'm not sure how familiar you are with it. | ||
| But basically, it's almost like Weight Watchers in a way, where it's like you can have all kinds of things. | ||
| You can eat some pizza. | ||
| You can have some ice cream. | ||
| You can eat steak. | ||
| You can eat chicken. | ||
| Eat all over the map as long as you're kind of fitting within a calorie. | ||
| Macros, right? | ||
| Yeah, as long as it fits your macro, as long as it fits your caloric intake for the day. | ||
| And let's not be stupid about it. | ||
| You can't be, you know, eating junk every day all the time. | ||
| Well, people take his stuff out of context, right? | ||
| And they'll say, fuck, eat pizza. | ||
| Well, they post pictures of Pop-Tarts and say, I'm on flexible dieting. | ||
| And it's like, well, you didn't post a 95% of the stuff that you ate that was healthy. | ||
| Yeah, chicken and rice or whatever. | ||
| Or like vegan Oreos. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Don't you think, though, that there's a trend that people kind of understanding this a little bit more now? | ||
| At least it's starting to gain momentum. | ||
| You've seen people that are concentrating on organic vegetables. | ||
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I think it's awesome. | |
| I mean, even just like the seminar that I did where there was, I don't know how many people there. | ||
| There was a bunch of fucking people there. | ||
| 150 people? | ||
| Yeah, a shitload of people there. | ||
| I mean, years ago, if I did a powerlifting seminar, I couldn't beg people to go to it. | ||
| The difference is there's women there now. | ||
| There's girls. | ||
| You know, it's like weird. | ||
| It's like, wow. | ||
| They figured out the way to get that big, juicy ass. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When we were powerlifting, when we were teenagers... | ||
| White women are evolving. | ||
| Yeah, we would go into these powerlifting meets. | ||
| They're getting that ass. | ||
| But yeah, it's changing, you know. | ||
| People are starting to learn that strength is important even as you get older, as you get into your 40s and 50s and 60s. | ||
| It's more important even because you need to keep your bone density and keep your muscle mass. | ||
| It's important for women. | ||
| You know, they have osteoporosis and stuff like that. | ||
| You see these guys when you go on vacation. | ||
| And you go by the pool, and their bodies are just gone. | ||
| Their shoulders don't exist. | ||
| They look like old women. | ||
| I just want to run up to them, put them in an Americana, and just rip their shoulder apart, because it's not attached to anything. | ||
| Did you see that, Joe Rogan? | ||
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Guy's an asshole. | |
| Loosely hanging on. | ||
| You just feel like you're not together. | ||
| Can I please film that if you do that? | ||
| I would never do that. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| But, I mean, you look at their bodies, you're like, my God, if this guy has to pick up anything, his body's gonna break. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this is a guy who at one point in time was a teenager. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Who was a young, happy, vibrant kid, probably playing sports or something. | ||
| Working on the railroad or something, like doing some, yeah, badass. | ||
| Or maybe he's just been gross his whole life, but... | ||
| But you see people as they get older. | ||
| My point is that if you live that sedentary lifestyle and you're sitting in an office all day and if you're not making your body work, it's going to fucking atrophy and it's going to break down. | ||
| Bend down, pick some stuff up, do some squats. | ||
| When I go to the airport, you realize how unhealthy this country is because people are coming from everywhere. | ||
| And I go to the airport. | ||
| Like, what was this in the airport in Ohio? | ||
| And I'm like, There's not a lot of healthy people. | ||
| Ohio's awesome. | ||
| How about Disneyland? | ||
| Yeah, there's not a lot of healthy people. | ||
| And it's sad because you're only making up 1% of the people. | ||
| And if you see somebody who's kind of jacked, you're like, hey, what's up, man? | ||
| Because you're the only ones. | ||
| Well, how about when you go to Disneyland? | ||
| It seems like a scooter festival now. | ||
| Everyone's on scooters. | ||
| There's so many people that have eaten their way out of walking. | ||
| They don't walk anymore. | ||
| They're oozing over the sides of these scooters. | ||
| That's a good way of putting it. | ||
| It's what it is. | ||
| And you could say all day that it's a disease. | ||
| But it's real simple. | ||
| You're putting too much food in your body. | ||
| Your body's getting too big. | ||
| It's really simple. | ||
| Well, getting so big that fat is now growing in some odd places and stuff. | ||
| I mean, people's bodies are no longer in the shape of a normal human being anymore. | ||
| I'm not trying to fat shame people, but that's the truth. | ||
| Don't even say that word because it's not real. | ||
| Fat shame. | ||
| It's so dumb. | ||
| If you shame them into losing weight, that's probably beneficial to their health. | ||
| That's not the best way to do it, necessarily. | ||
| I think people, because they're lazy, fit shame people. | ||
| Like, they'll see him walking down the street, and they'll discount all the work, like, oh, steroids. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Or they'll say, like, oh, that's not healthy. | ||
| Look at that guy. | ||
| Or anybody that's lean, they're like, oh, all he cares about is a gym. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, not only that, they think you're dumb because you work out. | ||
| You're a meathead, yeah. | ||
| You must be dumb. | ||
| You know, I know this guy's a bodybuilder, but he's also, he has a PhD. | ||
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Right. | |
| And people will think he's dumb. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| And they're like, oh my god, let me just shut the fuck up. | ||
| You know, you just, everybody wants everybody else to have some sort of a deficit. | ||
| This guy's rich, yeah, but I heard he's got no dick. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| We always have to fucking figure out some way. | ||
| Well, what do women say when they can't find a flaw? | ||
| What do they say? | ||
| Dumb cunt. | ||
| She's a bitch. | ||
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Yeah, fucking bitch. | |
| I hate that bitch. | ||
| She's a whore. | ||
| She's a whore. | ||
| Fuck the way to the top. | ||
| It's always going to be that. | ||
| It's always going to be that. | ||
| I feel like people are more conscious about their diet now than they've ever been before. | ||
| They're more conscious about it because it's kind of been getting out there in the public where it didn't before, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is very important, and it is hard to go to a grocery store and find the actual things you need. | ||
| You want to get things that don't have preservatives or whatever, and you have to look for it. | ||
| You're kind of a hunter-gatherer trying to hunt in the grocery store for the shit that's good for you. | ||
| It's exciting for us because we've been involved in this for over 20 years. | ||
| And then finally people are starting to pay attention. | ||
| Yeah, we're like, oh shit, they're talking about stuff we were talking about two decades ago. | ||
| How come it's not mandatory to be taking nutrition all through school? | ||
| It's just ridiculous. | ||
| Like, oh, there's no time for that. | ||
| We have to teach you who the presidents were, and we've got to teach you all these other things that you're never going to use, and why not nutrition? | ||
| I showed them a documentary on sugar. | ||
| I showed them a documentary on the effects of sugar. | ||
| Have you seen that sugar film? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I watched it with my kids. | ||
| My kids were like, what the hell? | ||
| I like that, my sugar film. | ||
| The same company, Samuel Goldwyn, that did Prescription Thugs, put that out. | ||
| And it's cool because that company is just looking for important things to put out. | ||
| Yeah, very, very important. | ||
| Sugar is a crazy one. | ||
| I've taught my kids from when they were really young that You know, a certain amount of food and excess, you know, junk food is going to make you fat. | ||
| I kept saying it over and over again. | ||
| Now they're older, so I don't say it because I don't want them to have some sort of weird complex about it anymore. | ||
| But they know. | ||
| They got the information. | ||
| They got the message got across. | ||
| They're 8 and 12 now. | ||
| Well, if you could just put it in their head, that feeling that you get that feels good when you take it in. | ||
| Healthy versus getting sick and so on. | ||
| But the feeling that you get that feels good when you eat sugary foods, that corresponds with a crash. | ||
| And that crash is really bad for you. | ||
| And so now think about that next time you eat ice cream. | ||
| Enjoy it, but understand that you're doing something bad to your body. | ||
| Because most kids don't know. | ||
| They just do the good part. | ||
| And then they have to realize one day that there's a bad part to it, too. | ||
| You have to teach them that. | ||
| But if you mix it with painkillers, it feels great. | ||
| That was the other thing in your documentary where they're showing the kids how quickly they get kids on children's Claritin. | ||
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Yeah, right now they've just approved Oxycontin. | |
| They've approved Oxycontin for like 11 to 16-year-olds. | ||
| Well, because... | ||
| Here's what the problem is. | ||
| Here's what people are saying, and it's bullshit. | ||
| They're like, oh, well, it just makes it easier for a doctor to prescribe OxyContin to a cancer patient. | ||
| You're telling me that the FDA is going to come down on a doctor for prescribing OxyContin to a kid that has, you know, he's going to die from cancer? | ||
| Like, I don't think so. | ||
| Like, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe they are, but like, it's so crazy because all that's going to do is create a bigger epidemic. | ||
| Yeah, they're finding a new avenue for sales. | ||
| Yeah, I think they're very aware of that. | ||
| I don't think that's something that needed to happen. | ||
| I think that Yeah, who even thought of that? | ||
| Some fucking monster. | ||
| To somebody that makes the drug, right? | ||
| No one else is really thinking about that. | ||
| The lobbies are the most powerful thing in the world. | ||
| Was there anything surprising when you were doing this documentary? | ||
| Was there anything that really took you by surprise? | ||
| What took me by surprise, I relapsed during the documentary. | ||
| That was something that I didn't think would happen. | ||
| What was the trigger? | ||
| Was it the hip replacement? | ||
| You know, what happened was I, okay, so I was taking a lot of prescription painkillers, right, from my hip replacement surgery. | ||
| Fast forward about five years. | ||
| I'm on them for like a pretty long time. | ||
| I actually had to get my right hip replaced again. | ||
| So I had three hip surgeries, not just two. | ||
| I had both hips done and then another, you know, another hip two years later. | ||
| So it was a constant like painkiller, painkiller, painkiller. | ||
| After the first hip surgery, I never knew what was wrong with me. | ||
| It was just this perpetual cycle. | ||
| Oh, hey, your hip is... | ||
| Two years later, my doctor called me and said, Oh, you know what? | ||
| We screwed that up. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| The socket never grew in properly and it's moving. | ||
| That's why you're having so much pain. | ||
| I felt like... | ||
| I feel like I was on fire for two years. | ||
| My hip was on fire. | ||
| So that was a big part of the drug addiction. | ||
| And then basically my best friend Leland was a guy who was prescribed painkillers too and he knew what it was like. | ||
| He was never one to overdo it. | ||
| But I just remember one day I told him, like, I need to quit these. | ||
| I'm going to die, you know? | ||
| And he would get prescribed painkillers, so I would try to get them from him, and he would say, no, no, I've cut you off. | ||
| You know, you're done. | ||
| And I just realized I needed to get off those painkillers. | ||
| I was going to die. | ||
| So I went on Suboxone, and that was, like, another year on Suboxone. | ||
| And then when I was on Suboxone, that doctor put me on, like, eight other drugs, like Kalanapin and all these other powerful, crazy drugs where I banged up my car. | ||
| You know, driving around. | ||
| So it was like a constant perpetual mix of these prescription drugs. | ||
| And then I decided to get off everything and get clean. | ||
| And I felt like when I did get clean, I felt like I could never sleep. | ||
| So I started drinking like a fish. | ||
| You know, I was drinking vodka, full thing of vodka every day. | ||
| To sleep? | ||
| Yeah, to go to sleep and stop my mind from racing. | ||
| Yeah, I did that too. | ||
| Didn't work? | ||
| No, it didn't work. | ||
| So I became a very heavy drinker. | ||
| And I would get these crazy hangovers. | ||
| And that's when I just said, you know what cures a hangover? | ||
| Xanax. | ||
| Wow, that really works for me. | ||
| And I would go on Craigslist and I would buy Xanax from a kid in Sun Valley, which is like way the fuck out from Venice. | ||
| You can buy... | ||
| Xanax on Craigslist? | ||
| Yeah, Xanax, OxyContin. | ||
| I showed that in my documentary, and that was something that the congressman was like, whoa. | ||
| In the movie, yeah, and then they stopped doing it, but you were like, I knew about it because I was doing it. | ||
| Yeah, and what happened was I lied to him. | ||
| I said, you know what? | ||
| I used to do that like three years ago. | ||
| I just did it three days ago. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And you become a good liar when you're addicted to drugs. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| It was a weird thing. | ||
| I was trying to make a difference, but I was still doing shit. | ||
| I didn't know how to stop. | ||
| That just seems so crazy. | ||
| You could buy drugs on Craigslist. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I say in the movie, they had shut down the whole prostitution thing on Craigslist. | ||
| Why don't they just shut down selling drugs? | ||
| Yeah, why'd they shut down the prostitution thing? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It seems like a great idea. | ||
| I just went over to Backpage.com now. | ||
| Now you let everybody know. | ||
| There's a service. | ||
| Was there anything else that was surprising when you were doing it? | ||
| I think a lot of it was surprising. | ||
| The woman, Gwen Olson, who was the pharma rep who basically... | ||
| There were so many things that I always thought... | ||
| That a lot of the stuff I was going to present in the movie was a conspiracy theory. | ||
| It was like, people are going to think I'm crazy. | ||
| But then you find so much proof that you're being lied to that it's crazy. | ||
| The proof keeps mounting. | ||
| And that was always surprising to me how every sort of corner I would turn in the movie, I'd be like, what? | ||
| This is something else that's messed up. | ||
| And then trying to get people to be in a movie and talk about their drug use isn't ever easy. | ||
| That's always a problem. | ||
| Yeah, that woman was really... | ||
| It was really profound. | ||
| It was really intense. | ||
| But one of the things that she said when she was talking about, are you worried that they're going to kill you? | ||
| She goes, no, I'm worried that they're going to kill you and you and you and you and I'm going to be screaming from the rooftops and no one's going to care. | ||
| I know it sounds crazy, but the whole time people were saying, aren't you afraid they're going to kill you? | ||
| And I said, if they kill me because I made a movie about prescription drugs, that just proves the point. | ||
| I'm not afraid. | ||
| I'm not going to live my life in fear because I'm going to make something and tell the truth. | ||
| Somebody's gonna kill me. | ||
| That'd be like the worst way to live your life. | ||
| Well, not only that, it's not like they have a team of assassins working for a pharmaceutical company. | ||
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They may. | |
| But they don't have to kill you because they're gonna keep making billions of dollars. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| They don't care. | ||
| Like, your documentary, as profound as it is, is only gonna put a dent in maybe 1% of the people that would be thinking about taking those drugs. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that's the problem, you know. | ||
| What we can hope is that 1% will be 10% in a few years and maybe 20% in a decade or more. | ||
| And maybe other people continue to make these documentaries and uncover new information. | ||
| The thing is, like you said, they're going to keep making money. | ||
| They're basically printing money anyway. | ||
| They're going to just keep doing it. | ||
| It's scary shit, man. | ||
| It's scary shit to watch. | ||
| It's scary shit to see people that you know get hooked on these things. | ||
| You know and it's scary shit to like they think like this guy that I was talking about where I'm like what is going on with this guy and then one day he tells me about his back I'm like, oh How many people are walking around like that? | ||
| How many people are driving their cars like that? | ||
| I mean you'll see it up out of their head I you know when I'm like I said when people when you do a movie like this It becomes a confessional and you would be shocked at the people who were doing the same exact thing as I was doing I know a lady who thinks | ||
| she looks down on marijuana in a big way, and she just talks trash about it, but she takes a Xanax every night. | ||
| She literally can't go to sleep without Xanax. | ||
| When I started the movie, I was the exact same way. | ||
| We always thought in our high school, marijuana was for all the dirt bags. | ||
| I thought that for so long. | ||
| I did too. | ||
| And now I look at it and I'm like, did I miss the boat on that? | ||
| What was I doing drinking and taking all these pills when something was there? | ||
| You didn't want to be a loser. | ||
| And that's what it was drilled into our head when we were kids. | ||
| People who smoke pot are losers. | ||
| And I think marijuana, there's a slippery slope with marijuana because now that it's become more accepted, medical marijuana, in some states it's legal, now they're just ramping it up and make it stronger and stronger and stronger. | ||
| Anything that alters your consciousness can be problematic. | ||
| It can be beneficial or it can be problematic. | ||
| The only good thing about marijuana, it doesn't have a physical addictive property to it where your body desires it in a way where you're going to start sucking dicks and robbing people for it. | ||
| But it certainly can become a problem. | ||
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Those are all lies. | |
| Yeah, that guy's just been wanting to suck dick. | ||
| Wasn't that in like Half Baked? | ||
| Remember in that movie Half Baked? | ||
| I think that anything can be addictive. | ||
| Gambling can be addictive. | ||
| Food. | ||
| Porn. | ||
| People get obsessed with things. | ||
| That's addiction in a way. | ||
| You can get obsessed with all kinds of healthy or unhealthy things. | ||
| I think that what we're seeing with this documentary is a world that has been growing. | ||
| It's an epidemic that's been growing that we're just not getting that much exposure to in the mainstream. | ||
| We're not hearing these numbers. | ||
| We're not hearing these statistics that you presented in this movie. | ||
| The statistics about the 250 million fucking prescriptions a year. | ||
| I mean, just that. | ||
| And what's sad is, like, they put people on this endless cycle all the time. | ||
| Like Chris Lieben, who's in the movie UFC, you know, he was awesome to talk to. | ||
| He was great. | ||
| And then I talked to him, like, not that long ago. | ||
| He got in some trouble. | ||
| So I called him to see how he was doing. | ||
| And, like, it sucks because he's still on Suboxone. | ||
| I'm like, you know, like, that's a drug that, you know, he's on it now. | ||
| He told me he was still on it, and he's still drinking once in a while. | ||
| And it sucks because he's a cool guy. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| A little reckless here and there, but he was so awesome to talk to, he actually became a friend through doing the movie. | ||
| And I always worry about my friends. | ||
| I don't want them to still be on stuff or still be taking stuff. | ||
| I wanted to add that the reason why he relapsed was because he tried to stop everything cold turkey on his own, and he stopped for seven days, right? | ||
| And then that's when he relapsed. | ||
| So those people out there that think they can do it by themselves, you probably can't. | ||
| You probably need to try to seek some help. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of people that are very strong-willed, and they feel like, I can do it, like some other pussies can't, but I'm going to be able to do it, and, you know... | ||
| I went through 90 days of rehab and I came out and I've been sober for like 22 months and people in my circle say that's a miracle because a lot of people don't even make it that far. | ||
| So I'm just trying to keep going and trying to get healthier because I think it's all snowball effect. | ||
| You can go snowball effect downhill or you can go snowball effect and be on the rise and start doing everything right and eating like you're eating and using people like you. | ||
| You're a big inspiration to me. | ||
| I listen to your show all the time. | ||
| I think it's awesome. | ||
| It's a great source of information. | ||
| I have a bunch of different things I do every day and listen to and watch and try to gain information from everybody, you know, become a better person all the time. | ||
| Well, thanks, man. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| And I do, too. | ||
| I have a bunch of different podcasts that I listen to and news sources that I find. | ||
| And I think this is a cool time for that, you know? | ||
| And this is a cool time for like like a guy like you can come on a podcast and just talk for a few hours and explain everything and be open and People hear this and more than a million people will hear this and it'll open their eyes to what this is all about I felt obligated to be open because I felt like I did so much bad shit like Like man, I gotta tell people about this. | ||
| I gotta be and a lot of people are afraid to be an open book and I understand that and The luxury I have is like I'm a nobody. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| You know, I can tell you everything I have nothing to lose Well, you're not a nobody. | ||
| I mean, you're a well-known documentary filmmaker, but I think that it takes balls, no matter who you are, to do what you did. | ||
| So thanks. | ||
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I'll thank you. | |
| Thanks for the documentary. | ||
| Thanks for making two awesome documentaries that I've seen. | ||
| I still haven't seen Trophy Kids. | ||
| You don't like Trophy Kids. | ||
| That freaks me out, man, because I have kids. | ||
| You know, the other thing, too, is it's not over. | ||
| You know, he's still working on his life, still working on rebuilding. | ||
| It was a financial disaster. | ||
| Well, we decided as a family, we've had, you know, family meetings to figure out how the fuck do we help him, you know? | ||
| So we all got together and now actually moved him out of this pit of L.A. and moved him to Sacramento. | ||
| You're out in Sacramento now? | ||
| Yeah, he lives down the street from me and he works for me now. | ||
| So we're just producing content for my YouTube channel and just cranking out. | ||
| Awesome information. | ||
| We'll probably do some documentary style things as well. | ||
| I think it's funny because I inspired him to start working out when he was 12 years old. | ||
| And now he inspires me. | ||
| I mean, he was a dyslexic kid. | ||
| He was, you know, he's worth millions of dollars now. | ||
| It's crazy because he was always told he couldn't do it. | ||
| He wasn't smart enough and you're not going to make it and all that bullshit, right, that they tell you in school. | ||
| They put you in a class with the kids that are eating glue. | ||
| And he invented a thing. | ||
| It's almost like a meathead version of The Jerk, the movie The Jerk. | ||
| He invented a thing that helps you bench press more weight without getting hurt, and boom. | ||
| And I think that it's an important message for people to follow what they're passionate about. | ||
| Not always worry so much about money, because the money came because he followed what he loved to do. | ||
| That's a very good message. | ||
| Don't give up on shit. | ||
| Don't give up on the people that you love. | ||
| Don't give up on the people that you care about. | ||
| We lost one. | ||
| I'm lucky to still have him here. | ||
| He's my hero. | ||
| My other brother was my hero as well. | ||
| You've got to take value in the people that are around you. | ||
| And there's inspiration and motivation to be found all over the fucking place. | ||
| Stop being so goddamn grumpy and getting on YouTube and talking shit. | ||
| I saw your bit. | ||
| That made me fucking almost cry. | ||
| I was laughing so hard. | ||
| Because you're like, all you gotta do is close your motherfucking laptop, you bitch. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| But, you know, anyway, just try to be positive. | ||
| There's a lot of great things surrounding you. | ||
| Open your fucking eyes. | ||
| He went to your show for his birthday. | ||
| And him and his wife, they love it. | ||
| They're laughing their asses off. | ||
| Joey Diaz killed me. | ||
| Killed that fucking guy. | ||
| So check this out. | ||
| So he's like, hey Andy, the day that we come, because his wife is a big part of his company. | ||
| Oh yeah, we got an argument. | ||
| She's like, the day I come back from the Arnold show. | ||
| I was gone for a week. | ||
| Yeah, the day I come back, I'm going to go to Joe Rogan's show. | ||
| She's like, I don't really think it's that important to go to Joe Rogan's show. | ||
| It's all through text and a lot of miscommunication. | ||
| Like in L.A. Why is that so important? | ||
| He's like, well, I'm going to go to his show and it'll be awesome. | ||
| I think it'd be good for us. | ||
| My brother is going. | ||
| Yeah, you need to be with the kids. | ||
| She thought he was going to go to your comedy show, not be on your show. | ||
| She was upset when you were doing this. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I was like, no, no, no. | ||
| Honey, I'm going to be on his podcast. | ||
| She was like, oh, okay, that makes sense. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Oh, I get it. | ||
| Yeah, she thought he was going to your comedy show and thought it was like, I'm flying to LA. We just went a couple weeks ago for your birthday. | ||
| Oh, so she thought you were coming to see stand-up. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
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She's like, you fucking idiot, why are you doing that? | |
| Miscommunication through text. | ||
| It can happen. | ||
| Listen, man, thank you so much. | ||
| Thank you both you guys. | ||
| MB Slingshot, right? | ||
| That is... | ||
| That's one of the Instagrams. | ||
| The other one is at Mark Smelly Bell. | ||
| That's my official Instagram. | ||
| And if I can plug my YouTube, it's youtube.com backslash supertraining06. | ||
| And to celebrate being on the show, we put a code up. | ||
| Go to howmuchabench.net and type in Rogan and get 20% off. | ||
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Bam! | |
| Hey now! | ||
| Bam! | ||
| And Prescription Thugs is available right now on iTunes. | ||
| That's how I watch it. | ||
| Amazon. | ||
| Amazon. | ||
| Roku, all that stuff. | ||
| Roku, shit. | ||
| On demand on your television cable. | ||
| And anything you got going on, man. | ||
| Always, you got an open invite. | ||
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Let me know. | |
| There's some awesome stuff coming up, man. | ||
| We'll hook you up. | ||
| Shout out to all our bitches. | ||
| All our bitches. | ||
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| Pros and cons. | ||
| Alright, thank you guys. | ||
| Much appreciated. | ||
| Thank you. |
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