Jan. 22, 2016 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Oh hello fuckers, what's up? | ||
| This episode of the podcast so appropriately is brought to you by Blue Apron When you find out what this podcast is about you're gonna be like what the fuck Joe? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Um let me say before I even do these ads because I just did the podcast with the gentleman that made the documentary Cowspiracy and enjoy it. | ||
| It was a really good conversation. | ||
| I enjoyed talking to them. | ||
| I think they're very cool guys but I did not have an opposing point of view that was represented on the show. | ||
| Now some people from the National Cattleman's Beef Association contacted me and they sent me an email saying that these guys their statistics are wrong. | ||
| Jamie pulled up a bunch of stuff. | ||
| What was it Jamie? | ||
| What was it exactly? | ||
| Some water numbers and some other things. | ||
| The water numbers that they had quoted about how much water it takes to make a cheeseburger was apparently. | ||
| Yeah, just in general, water, livestock, agriculture numbers were just a little off. | ||
| And how were they off in what way? | ||
| Just the claims. | ||
| I found some information from the U.S. government's website, which they were linking to. | ||
| And it said that they were claiming 65 to 50% of national water usage or something like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| For animal. | ||
| It just says it's like under 7% and it's down every year since 1970. | ||
| This is from the same website that they're quoting. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't know who's right, but I enjoy talking to these guys. | ||
| So let me just get that out of the way before I say anything. | ||
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| I should say that. | ||
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| Obviously, that's a vegetarian option. | ||
| Here's a vegan option. | ||
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| That must be a vegetarian, right? | ||
| That must be a vegetarian option. | ||
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| Okay, that's vegan. | ||
| Vegetarian versus vegan. | ||
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| Around $10 a meal? | ||
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| Now, as I said, these guys who are on the podcast, they made an excellent documentary. | ||
| It's called Cowspiracy. | ||
| I think it is my responsibility whenever interviewing people like this, and this is something that has sort of been forced upon me over the last few years of having controversial guests, is to try to at least play devil's advocate when I can, although I'm not that qualified to do that in this regard, but I try to do it a little bit. | ||
| But I think what's really important, there's a lot of undeniable stuff that they brought up that I think affects all of us. | ||
| And I think in that regard, regardless of the arguments, pro and con and a lot of the things that these people are saying they got wrong and whether or not they did, there's some undeniable shit involved in our connection with food. | ||
| And I am fascinated by that as a person. | ||
| And as a person who has a podcast where I can spread information, I'm fascinated by it. | ||
| Fascinated by it. | ||
| I think these guys are on to a lot. | ||
| I think their documentary is very important. | ||
| But like all documentaries, Google it and find out what you believe and what you don't believe yourself. | ||
| But I enjoyed it. | ||
| I enjoyed their documentary. | ||
| I enjoyed talking to them. | ||
| They were very cool guys. | ||
| And I think everybody should watch it because I think this discussion is an important discussion. | ||
| And it's one that we really aren't having enough, not just in this country, but in the world. | ||
| So without any further ado, I was done with it. | ||
| I was done with it. | ||
| I had decided today. | ||
| Someone even tweeted me today. | ||
| Not even just one person. | ||
| A couple of people tweeted me. | ||
| Don't say without any further ado. | ||
| And I was planning on listening, but I fucked it up. | ||
| I'm sorry, folks. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Next week, we'll get it right. | ||
| They found Nibureu. | ||
| You hear about that? | ||
| They found the fucking 10th planet. | ||
| They did. | ||
| It's real, you fucks. | ||
| All you people that hated on me for believing Zachariah Sitchin. | ||
| The old man was right. | ||
| Several thousand years it takes to come near us, but fucking Neil deGross Tyson was tweeting about it. | ||
| It's over, bitches. | ||
| We came from aliens. | ||
| They fucked with monkeys. | ||
| They made people. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| What am I rambling about? | ||
| Please welcome Kip Anderson and Keegan Kuhn from Cow Spiracy. | ||
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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. | |
| The Joe Rogan experience. | ||
| Join my day. | ||
| Joe Rogan podcast by night. | ||
| All day. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's how I'm going to start everything from now on. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like Diego Sanchez style. | ||
| What's up, folks? | ||
| How are you guys? | ||
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Good. | |
| How you doing? | ||
| Thank you for coming here. | ||
| Really appreciate it. | ||
| I'm doing good. | ||
| I didn't answer your question. | ||
| It's one of those questions, you know, hey, what's up, man? | ||
| What's up, man? | ||
| Like, neither one answers, but it's acceptable for whatever reason. | ||
| We've got to change that. | ||
| We've got to change a lot of things. | ||
| Your documentary freaked me the fuck out. | ||
| Let's talk about it. | ||
| Cowspiracy. | ||
| If you haven't seen it, pause this podcast. | ||
| Go to Netflix. | ||
| It's only on Netflix. | ||
| I tried to find it on Apple TV and I was like, what? | ||
| Only Netflix. | ||
| Netflix continues to kill it. | ||
| But your documentary is very scary. | ||
| It's one of those documentaries where you can look at a lot of documentaries and go, well, there's a bias in this documentary. | ||
| And these guys, you know, they're thinking that the negative aspects of this outweigh the positive aspects of it, but it's debatable. | ||
| When you look at your documentary, it's one of those things where you go, like, I shut it off after it was over. | ||
| It was like 1 o'clock in the morning. | ||
| I was getting ready to go to bed, which is not a good idea to plan the fucking rest of your life, think about the future of the world after you see a documentary like yours. | ||
| And I'm sitting there going, well, there's nothing, there's not much you can say. | ||
| Like when you look at the devastation that's being done with livestock in this country, when you like soberly look at it, you soberly look at the numbers, you soberly look at the amount of land they need to graze, you soberly look at the amount of people that we smush into these little areas where we don't grow shit and we call them cities. | ||
| We have to truck everything in. | ||
| When you soberly look at the amount of methane that's being produced by cow shit and cow farts, and then the reaction that you guys got when you tried to bring up that aspect of it. | ||
| That was the weirdest part of your documentary. | ||
| I expected going in that the documentary would sort of highlight some issues that people have already with factory farming and show you, you know, what effect it had on the environment. | ||
| I didn't anticipate it would be that much of an effect, and I didn't anticipate that you would get the kind of resistance that you got from activists, activists that are scared of that industry. | ||
| What was it like making that documentary? | ||
| That was actually more of the motivation was that these environmental groups, the Green Pieces, Rainforest Action Network, Sierra Club, that they didn't address this issue was more of inspiration to make the film and pissed us off to the point of making the film more than actual facts themselves. | ||
| The facts are so overwhelming when I found them out. | ||
| But the fact that they didn't talk about this, I felt betrayed. | ||
| And then once I started calling them, it became really kind of pissed off. | ||
| This is Kip Anderson talking, by the way, and Keegan Kuhn is the other gentleman to his right. | ||
| To me, I kind of liken it a little. | ||
| They're scared. | ||
| They're obviously scared. | ||
| Or they're complicit. | ||
| There's one of two things, right? | ||
| Either they're scared or they're taking money from these environmental groups. | ||
| Could be both. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And another one, and also they're contributing to it. | ||
| Imagine you're the American. | ||
| That's what I meant when I said taking money from these environmental groups. | ||
| I switched it around. | ||
| I meant the environmental groups are taking money from that industry. | ||
| And also, too, imagine the American Lung Association and you're sitting around board of director meetings, you're all smoking cigarettes, and then you're telling somebody not to smoke cigarettes. | ||
| And that's a huge part of it. | ||
| We walked in a couple organizations' groups during lunch, and here they're in front of a slaughterhouse eating their lunch, and they're discussing how to save the rainforest. | ||
| And it's like, wait, what? | ||
| Is there a connection here? | ||
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They're eating burgers and shit, talking about the rainforest. | |
| You know, another thing that really disturbed me about your documentary was when that gentleman who was a former cattle rancher was talking about his being sued and how the industry sued him and he got in some real deep legal trouble, cost him a ton of money. | ||
| But how now, today, with the Patriot Act, he would have never won the case because it doesn't matter if you're correct now. | ||
| Now, if you have an action, like you make a documentary, you do something that adversely affects that industry or any industry where they can prove they're losing money by the Patriot Act, you're legally complicit, or you're legally guilty, right? | ||
| Isn't that how it works? | ||
| Yeah, well, so there was a law created called the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, and it was focused on just animal rights activists and environmental rights activists. | ||
| And the law says anyone who disrupts a business of an animal enterprise is committing an act of terrorism. | ||
| Jesus fucking Christ, that's scary. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean, then that goes, it's so far-reaching. | ||
| That's from someone who saves one chicken from a farm or someone who does a protest. | ||
| There's three activists up in the Bay who were arrested under the law for passing out leaflets and doing chalk outlines on sidewalks. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Total violation of First Amendment. | ||
| That's so fucking wrong. | ||
| It's so wrong and so dangerous when you let an industry just dictate just by sheer money what people can and can't protest things that people find morally reprehensible. | ||
| There's a reason why there's these ag gag laws. | ||
| What ag gag laws, if you're not aware, if you listen to this, there's laws against taking film footage of those pigs that are shoved into those cages and chickens shoved into cages and cruelty to animals. | ||
| Have you ever watched any of those disturbing videos that PETA puts up where they'll show like a guy like shearing wool and kicking the shit out of the lamb? | ||
| It's fucking, it's hard to watch, man. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Is it a sheep or a lamb? | ||
| Lamb is a young one, right? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These guys, like you think, oh, I'm wearing wool. | ||
| It's just, they just give them a haircut. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| They beat the fuck out of those things because those things don't want a haircut. | ||
| And they bleed because they're not gentle with those shears. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Obviously, I don't know if it's just one time that they filmed this and it's just one asshole. | ||
| But there's laws against filming those things now. | ||
| So the only way that ever stops, the only way people ever go, hey man, I'm only going to eat free range this or grass-fed that, the only way that happens ever is you have to know what the consequences of not doing that are. | ||
| You have to know if you're buying this factory raised meat, this is how it lives. | ||
| Are you cool with that? | ||
| Most people are not cool with that. | ||
| So instead of fixing it and making it better, they make it illegal to report all this unethical, fucked up, dark shit they're doing to animals. | ||
| That is, that's so fucking anti-American at every level. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, that shows how powerful this industry is. | ||
| It literally can dictate to the government what they want the laws to be. | ||
| Because, you know, the AGAC laws don't benefit consumers in any way. | ||
| They're completely written by the industry themselves. | ||
| Those motherfuckers need to take mushrooms. | ||
| All those people that are involved in those chicken farms, those pig farms, just grow some. | ||
| Please, you don't understand. | ||
| I understand they're making a fuckload of money. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| They don't want to stop making a fuckload of money. | ||
| But the idea that that's all you have to do is just have so much money coming in that you can get away with this. | ||
| How is that any different than animal bestiality? | ||
| How is that any different than animal torture? | ||
| Like animal torture is illegal. | ||
| If like Michael Vick got in trouble because he was shooting his dogs and killing them, how is that really different than the way they treat pigs? | ||
| As I say, you know, at least the dogs had a chance. | ||
| You know, these animals had no chance at all. | ||
| You know, those dogs. | ||
| Yeah, well, I guess the dogs have a chance. | ||
| That's the thing about pit bulls is the real, the ones they use for fighting, they breed them to not have any animal aggression. | ||
| You could beat the shit out of them. | ||
| They don't fight back. | ||
| They're bred to never sort of go after people. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| Anyway, that doesn't, beside the point. | ||
| The point is this industry has so much fucking money that they're able to do something that I think pretty much everybody would disagree with, and that's stop you from letting people be aware of the consequences of their purchase power. | ||
| They're buying. | ||
| Like if you want to buy the cheapest meat, you want to buy the cheapest meat possible. | ||
| This is how it's grown. | ||
| This is how it's managed. | ||
| This is how they bring these things to slaughter. | ||
| Are you comfortable with that? | ||
| Thing is, too, it's not only, you know, even if you have organic or the free range or, you know, all these other, more than anything, the marketing terms, they don't let you into these places as well. | ||
| It's across the board. | ||
| I have a friend, my friend Doug Duran, he lives in Wisconsin and he owns a farm and he has grass-fed cows. | ||
| And I had one idea of what it's like to be a grass-fed cow and then I visited his farm. | ||
| So my idea of what it's like to be a grass-fed cow, and he only has a few cows and it's not a gigantic farm, it's a few hundred acres. | ||
| And it's not his main business. | ||
| It's like a family thing that he does and he grows his own beef. | ||
| Those cows are fucking terrified. | ||
| If you go in that cage, they fucking run. | ||
| They run and they bunch up. | ||
| And I was out there. | ||
| I went, oh, they know what the fuck's going on. | ||
| And it's not that much space. | ||
| I mean, even if they have a giant pasture, you obviously have to be able to rope them in because you're going to eventually kill them. | ||
| And they kind of know it. | ||
| So you go anywhere near those fuckers. | ||
| You think of it as like those pigs in your documentary. | ||
| Those pigs that those people were raising in Northern California, which were kind of like pets. | ||
| They came over and these little kids were petting them and stuff. | ||
| That's not how these cows are. | ||
| These cows are fucking running for their life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the thing is, those cows, they know what's going on. | ||
| And they're just babies. | ||
| They get killed at 18 months. | ||
| Imagine they can live as long as dogs. | ||
| Imagine a puppy getting killed at 18 months. | ||
| They know what's going on. | ||
| And 18 months is the grass-fed one? | ||
| No, that's the grain-fed, right? | ||
| Grain-fed, yeah. | ||
| Grass-fed's even longer, it's about 24 months. | ||
| Because they have to take some longer to grow. | ||
| Yeah, they're eating their natural diet. | ||
| Whoo, what did we do? | ||
| So, how did we get here? | ||
| How the fuck did human beings get to this position where, I mean, I think it's wonderful in terms of our ability to innovate, create technology, educate each other. | ||
| You know, I mean, wow, what a gigantic relief it's been to remove the daily necessity of gathering food. | ||
| It's been a gigantic relief, and it's caused the human race to accelerate, to technologically innovate at a before, never seen pace. | ||
| I mean, what we've been able to do over the last hundred years has been nothing short of insane. | ||
| But the consequences seem to be not thought out and not planned for and no solution in place to mitigate it. | ||
| Yeah, and that's the thing is that when we talk about population in the film, you know, and was it 1800 is 1 billion? | ||
| 1900, 1.5, 2000, 2012, 7 billion just exploded. | ||
| And then not only that, the necessity to the meat consumption and dairy consumption and just in the last 50 years. | ||
| So a lot of these people have this notion of, you know, even the grass-fed, that's what we get into, and the organic, but they're living in a time where it's 50 years ago, 100 years ago. | ||
| We're in 20 now, 16. | ||
| It's not a reality. | ||
| It's a myth. | ||
| There's too many of us. | ||
| Damn it. | ||
| But people are cool. | ||
| I like them. | ||
| I like them. | ||
| I like when there's a lot around. | ||
| It's weird, you know? | ||
| It's such a catch-22, but there's definitely too many of us. | ||
| But fuck, it's awesome having so many people. | ||
| Because having so many people, I find, I love going into rural areas, the mountains, and stuff like that. | ||
| But I think living there, I would miss the amount of people that you get in the Los Angeles area. | ||
| You get a lot of really cool people. | ||
| In giant groups, you're more likely to find a large number of cool people just by sheer volume, just by numbers. | ||
| But fuck, man. | ||
| Well, that's one thing that's looked at in the film is that, yeah, how do you feed 7.2 billion people? | ||
| And the only way you're really going to do it is to eat as ecologically as possible, and that's a plant-based diet, or getting as close to a plant-based diet as you can. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like, like, what I like to do, I grow a lot of my own vegetables, and I've been, the last few years, I've been hunting, and this year, eating, trying to at least, exclusively stuff that I've killed myself. | ||
| But everybody can't do that. | ||
| You know, you can't preach that as an ethic. | ||
| You can't, because it's just not possible. | ||
| First of all, time-wise, it's not possible for most folks with families or with jobs. | ||
| They just don't have the time to gather that much meat. | ||
| To feed your whole family for a year, if you eat meat, you know, three or four days a week even, you're not going to be able to do it. | ||
| And then, two, the other thing is there's just not enough animals. | ||
| There's just not. | ||
| There's not enough white-tailed deer. | ||
| There's more white-tailed deer right now than there have ever been ever in the history of this continent, just by management, by wildlife protection agencies and fish and game departments, making sure that these animals have adequate habitat and they only take a certain amount per year and things along those lines. | ||
| So there's more white-tailed deer than there have ever been in North America, but not enough to feed everybody. | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| We would kill them all. | ||
| We would still be starving. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, hunting really, because people have brought that up. | ||
| They say, well, what about sustainable hunting? | ||
| And the truth is that we've replaced most of the wild animals on the planet with our domesticated animals, and we've taken the wild animals' land, and we've, you know, used it to grow, feed, to feed livestock or to graze livestock. | ||
| And so, yeah, just as you said, I mean, we've literally replaced 90% of wildlife with our own species. | ||
| Like, what wildlife isn't there anymore that was, besides obvious ones, like buffalo? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's obviously like megafauna, but it's also, I mean, you'll have to look at timberwolves, eastern timberwolves were basically wiped out primarily for fur trade and because they preyed on cattle. | ||
| And so then you have other species that move in. | ||
| And so you see an explosion of, for example, yeah, white-tailed deer, but that's because we've eliminated all the other species around them. | ||
| We've eliminated all the predators because the predators are a threat to the livestock. | ||
| And so once you eliminate the predators, now you have all these deer running around and multiplying, and then that's where wildlife management comes in, which is complete bullshit because true wildlife management is getting rid of the cows and getting rid of all the other wildlife. | ||
| All the other wildlife? | ||
| Wildlife? | ||
| All the livestock. | ||
| Getting rid of. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So basically what's happening, just one year ago, what was the stats on how many? | ||
| Oh, I mean, the Department of Agriculture has a wildlife services program, and they eliminate wild animals who prey on the livestock industry. | ||
| So they killed the mountain lions, coyotes. | ||
| I mean, it's like 60,000 coyotes last year were killed by the U.S. government because they're perceived as a threat to this industry. | ||
| 400 wolves, 500 blacks. | ||
| Well, you guys, I'm sure you're aware of the reintroduction of wolves. | ||
| You know about all that? | ||
| Like how they reintroduced wolves to North America from actually from Canada. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| It's very controversial. | ||
| Oh, for sure, yeah. | ||
| You know, because elk population has been decimated, but then they've also attacked some livestock in British Columbia, where my friend Mike lives, his neighbor's cow was taken out by a wolf. | ||
| Like they were all sitting around from the fucking bedroom window watching a pack of monsters tear a cow apart, like right in this little pen. | ||
| It's got to be fucking spooky. | ||
| I mean, but still, I mean, wolf populations aren't anywhere close to what they were a century ago. | ||
| That's true, but in some states, they have exceeded the number that they intended to let them get to. | ||
| Right, and so that's what happened is that, I mean, because that's going back to these environmental organizations, Sarah Club's got a big campaign about save the wolves and all these organizations, save the wolves, save the wolves, but they're not talking about why wolves are on the verge of collapse again. | ||
| It's like we got these species off the endangered species list, and now they've opened it up to hunting in Idaho and, you know, the states that the population bloomed again. | ||
| And it's because of the cattle industry. | ||
| It's not that the wolves have exceeded the ecological capacity or carrying capacity of the ecosystem. | ||
| It's the fact that they're competing with livestock. | ||
| Well, they've also reached a number. | ||
| They've passed a number where the scientists, the biologists, wildlife biologists deemed they would be a healthy, sustainable Population and not be a problem. | ||
| And when they get to, you know, what we call a problem, of course, it's when they interfere with agriculture, it's when they start eating livestock and people's dogs and occasionally joggers. | ||
| You know, shit goes wrong with wolves, man. | ||
| You really, the issue is management, right? | ||
| And what does that mean? | ||
| To some people, it means like leave nature alone, let nature sort it out. | ||
| But to people in indigenous areas like Native Americans and people in Canada, like a lot of them rely on moose and deer to feed themselves. | ||
| Like this is where they get their meat from. | ||
| And they have to keep wolf populations down. | ||
| If they don't keep wolf populations down, the wolf, they already, as it is, wolves and bears kill something like 50% of all calves and the fawns that come out of deer and moose. | ||
| So they do, since there's nothing that kills wolves, like you have to kill them, otherwise they get to the point where, have you ever been to like upstate New York and drive through those areas where there's so many deer you have to drive like 20 miles an hour? | ||
| Because at nighttime, they're just darting in front of your car. | ||
| They're like fucking rats. | ||
| They're everywhere. | ||
| It's nuts how many deer there are in some places. | ||
| And one of the reasons for it, because there's no population control. | ||
| There's no predators. | ||
| And these are areas where there's just not that many people and not that many people hunting. | ||
| So you just get a fuckload of these fucking deer running around everywhere. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's that imbalance. | ||
| And that's what we've seen with ecology around the world. | ||
| Indigenous communities have found, I mean, it's like hunter-gatherer communities around the world have shown that you can live in balance with nature. | ||
| But that's not what we're living today. | ||
| Wildlife biologists, though, do believe that the way to balance that out is you have to keep populations of predators down. | ||
| And that's why if you go back to history, all the fairy tales, the big bad wolf, Little Red Riding Hood, all that stuff, Three Little Pigs, were all wolves. | ||
| Wolves are fucking dangerous. | ||
| They're real dangerous. | ||
| In terms of recent history, in World War I, the Russians and the Germans had a ceasefire because they were trying to kill each other and wolves kept killing them. | ||
| They were getting so many soldiers killed by wolves, they literally had a ceasefire and just went on a wolf-killing rampage. | ||
| That's how scary wolves are. | ||
| They can stop armies from killing each other. | ||
| So I think we all, as compassionate people who love nature, we have some beautiful ideas of what nature is and some beautiful ideas of how North American populations of animals should be managed. | ||
| But wildlife biologists look at this with a very sober eye. | ||
| And the reason why they're opening up hunting for wolves in Idaho and some other areas is not just to protect agriculture. | ||
| It's also to keep these motherfuckers from getting out of control. | ||
| Because they are wolves. | ||
| They're beautiful. | ||
| They're amazing. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| I love that they're here. | ||
| Even if they do jack a giant percentage of the elk population and it's fucking cool, man. | ||
| Wolves are cool. | ||
| You know, to be out and hear, oh, and see like a fucking pack of them, there's an electrical living beauty in all that. | ||
| That if it's gone, it's gone forever. | ||
| And you can never bring it back. | ||
| And right now it's here. | ||
| And I think we should enjoy it. | ||
| But you got to keep a fucking eye on them, man. | ||
| And when the wildlife biologists, the sober ones, go, hey, you've got too many. | ||
| You've got a problem. | ||
| You've got to open up hunting for them. | ||
| Because if you don't, they just keep breeding. | ||
| And then what do you do? | ||
| Well, so there's this really dangerous predator that roams around the planet, walks on two legs. | ||
| It's called humans. | ||
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| That's the most dangerous species on the planet. | ||
| Yeah, I like that predator, though. | ||
| They're cool. | ||
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But you can't advocate for those, You can't eliminate them. | |
| But you can move away from them. | ||
| I mean, if human beings... | ||
| If human beings come in and start jacking and killing people, that's what's called war. | ||
| And that's why we have armies, to protect against human beings when human beings do get out of control. | ||
| But if wolves were cool and they were hanging around like squirrels and they never killed your dog and they never threatened your children, yeah, it would be a totally different experience. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| When was the last death of a wolf in, say, Idaho? | ||
| Last year. | ||
| Well, last year in Alaska. | ||
| I mean, look, not that many people are wandering through the woods by themselves, and wolves are usually aware that when they see human beings, they're either in cars or they have rifles. | ||
| But I've had friends that were stalked by wolves. | ||
| I've had friends that were on bow hunting expeditions where they thought they were going to die because they were stalked by wolves. | ||
| Because wolves, if they can get away with it, they will fucking kill you. | ||
| Well, they had bows in their hands too. | ||
| Listen, man, you ain't going to kill them all. | ||
| You might get one wolf if you're lucky. | ||
| But a compound bow when a wolf's running at you, good fucking luck. | ||
| You got to set your sight correctly. | ||
| You got to adjust it when the wolf's coming in. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| Speaking like, say, about Idaho, you know, the wildlife in there is cows. | ||
| It's cows and a few wolves, you know. | ||
| And the cows take up so much space. | ||
| If you remove all those fences, all those millions of miles in fences, millions of acres, and you let the wolves have that land again, and then you let the other predators come back in, then you have a balance going on. | ||
| But it's the fences, and that's the, you know, you talk about the wildlife management. | ||
| It's bullshit because just by killing some wolves and not addressing the cows and the fences, that's the problem. | ||
| Well, there is certainly a lot of cows in Idaho, but there's also a lot of wild game. | ||
| There's a lot of, like, deer hunting in Idaho is famous. | ||
| Like, elk hunting in Idaho is like one of the best places to go in the world. | ||
| So it's not entirely true. | ||
| There's a lot of wildlife. | ||
| Idaho, if you've gone there, people, they have this idea of Idaho as being like sort of this like boring flat. | ||
| You know, like the people don't go there. | ||
| They think of it as like one of those states I'm never going to visit. | ||
| Idaho is spectacular. | ||
| Have you been? | ||
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| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| The fucking mountains, it's just a spectacular place. | ||
| So there's a lot of wildlife and a lot of sportsmen, hunter people, a lot of fisher people. | ||
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Right. | |
| A lot of people that fishing. | ||
| I mean, that's the amazing thing. | ||
| I used to live in Alaska and you'd just see moose everywhere. | ||
| Yeah, it's amazing. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| But we still, we don't have that perspective of that 200 years ago, the biodiversity and the amount of animals was that much more. | ||
| And 500 years ago, it was even that much more. | ||
| I mean, living in the Bay, and we talked about the indigenous people literally didn't go more than 10 miles from where their village was because there's so many animals, there's so much food. | ||
| And we've just eliminated that. | ||
| But if you want to have an apple store, you have to do that. | ||
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You can't have fucking wolves. | |
| But also, too, you know, the wildlife in Idaho that you're talking about, there's not that much predators. | ||
| You know, there's a lot more predators and the wolves. | ||
| Well, the wolves, but, you know. | ||
| They have real big populations of wolves now. | ||
| But it's still a fraction of what it used to be. | ||
| And then also, as far as the West, the bears and the cougars and the coyotes that are just getting destroyed. | ||
| And people talk about wildlife because there's a bunch of moose and a bunch of elk. | ||
| Well, the bears and cougars and wolves are not getting destroyed. | ||
| They have very strict numbers of how many you can kill, whether it's cougars or whether it's bears or whatever. | ||
| And bears are extremely hard to kill. | ||
| In California in particular, they've made it so it's almost impossible to kill bears. | ||
| You can't use bait and you can't use dogs. | ||
| So you have to go find them. | ||
| And wolves, I mean, bears are way smarter than you give them credit for. | ||
| They smell things a mile away. | ||
| They hear things you're never going to hear. | ||
| And if you start coming through the woods, they're just going to not be there. | ||
| It's not like there's this overwhelming idea that we have to go out and decimate all of the coyotes and all of the bears and all of the wolves and all of the cougars. | ||
| That's not going on. | ||
| Coyotes are the only one out of that whole list. | ||
| You can shoot as many as you want. | ||
| Like, people worry about coyotes encroaching upon urban areas and killing cats and dogs. | ||
| And my neighbor's dog was killed by a coyote. | ||
| It happens all the time. | ||
| But it's not like they're out there killing all the bears. | ||
| Like, there's fucking serious jail time if you kill a bear and you don't have a tag. | ||
| And you can't even kill them in California, cougars. | ||
| You can't even kill them. | ||
| So mountain lions in California are just running all over the place killing cattle. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the reason, though, is that we've gotten to that place. | ||
| We've decimated the populations to such a low point that now they have to put in these mandates and controls to try and keep the species alive. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's true. | ||
| The reason why they did it, though, was like when they started killing all these wolves back in the day, when they started poisoning them, they did it because they were dangerous. | ||
| Like they had gotten to high numbers and they had realized that as soon as people start stockpiling livestock, that this is an easy place to hit. | ||
| And so they would just keep coming back to them. | ||
| I'm sure you've heard of the Russian super PACs of wolves that they've had in issues with in Siberia, where these guys, they can't do a damn thing about it because there's 100 wolves tearing apart a horse. | ||
| And that happens. | ||
| It does happen with wolves. | ||
| So I don't think this is something... | ||
| But I think we have to be real careful when it comes to just letting wildlife be wild. | ||
| I think there's a certain amount of predators that you can have before things get dangerous. | ||
| The big one, you know, that the film addresses is the livestock. | ||
| That's what's got out of control, and that's what's literally destroying and taking over the wildlife. | ||
| So if you're really concerned about wildlife, if you're a real wildlife person, the last thing you do was not only consume, say, factory farm, but that's the whole thing about our film. | ||
| People think it's about factory farm. | ||
| We don't even talk about factory farm. | ||
| We talk about the grass-fed beef. | ||
| We talk about the organic grass-fed milk. | ||
| And that's what's killing the wildlife. | ||
| And that's the whole point of what we jump past the factory farm because ironically, for wildlife, if you care truly about wildlife, and that's what they discussed when we talked to the Animal Agriculture Alliance, they say, they say, people think we're living somewhere 50 years ago, 100 years ago. | ||
| We're not. | ||
| We're living in a place with 7 billion people. | ||
| The only way to efficiently feed people who want to eat meat is to put them in factory farms. | ||
| They're factory farms because they're efficient. | ||
| They only take around two acres per cow, whereas the grass-fed cow, you're talking about your buddy in Wisconsin. | ||
| The guy in our film, he had cattle in Wisconsin. | ||
| He said 50 acres, 50 acres for one fucking cow. | ||
| One cow, 50 acres. | ||
| 50 acres. | ||
| Think how big that is. | ||
| No other wildlife can enter that. | ||
| So that's the last thing you would want to eat is grass-fed beef. | ||
| The last thing you'd want to be fed with beating is these organic dairy farms that is destroying all our water resources, polluting the rivers, and destroying all these predators and these other wildlife that you talk about. | ||
| Right, but the argument would be that when you have a grass-fed cow and it's eating on 50 acres, that's where it's getting its food from. | ||
| Whereas if you have a factory-raised animal, it's getting corn, that corn is raised independently on some other large area. | ||
| Two acres, though. | ||
| Two acres, two acres, two acres. | ||
| Yeah, because you can grow corn so much per acre. | ||
| And grass-fed, it needs 50 acres that no other horse, no other bear, no other cougar, no other, all these animals that you're talking about. | ||
| No other animal can live on that area. | ||
| Is that during the life of the animal? | ||
| That's just period. | ||
| That's just a lot of people. | ||
| Just slaughter. | ||
| Till slaughter. | ||
| That's constantly. | ||
| So imagine on a 50-foot fence, nothing else. | ||
| Well, it's way more than 50-foot. | ||
| 50 acres, sorry, 50 acres for one. | ||
| So that's the last thing you want to be eating is grass-fed beef if you really care about the environment, if you really care about wildlife. | ||
| You need to say, either I fuck the cow, screw the cow, the cow lives a miserable life, but you know, I care a lot about more like, you know, about the elk and the moose and the wolves. | ||
| I care more about wildlife than I do about this cow. | ||
| You got to choose one or the other if you're going to do it. | ||
| And if you really care about wildlife, you got to say screw the cow and let's go with Factory Farm. | ||
| And that's the whole irony of this whole grass-fed myth that's happening. | ||
| And that's what's kind of ironic about the film, and people don't expect that. | ||
| It's shocking. | ||
| If human beings right now stopped growing, like if the population of the United States stayed at 300 million, can we feed ourselves right now with how we're doing it? | ||
| Like business as normal? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not sustainably. | ||
| I mean, not into perpuity. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| Right now, half of the United States' lower 48 land is designated to raising animals for food, whether growing their feet. | ||
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50%. | |
| Half. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| There's no other wildlife. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so we've already passed that tipping point where we're on ecological collapse. | ||
| So we can't continue business as normal. | ||
| The simple fact that we're draining aquifers at extreme rates. | ||
| I mean, the Angala aquifer, the largest aquifer in North America, drops by, I think, six feet per year. | ||
| 55% of all water consumed in the United States goes into animal agriculture. | ||
| So we're pumping groundwater, it's totally unsustainable. | ||
| California, you know, massive drought, 47% of California. | ||
| As opposed to domestic is 5%. | ||
| Every single thing you do in your home, everything you do in your home is only 5%. | ||
| Animal agriculture, 55%. | ||
| And we're talking about how we're in a drought. | ||
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It's called a food water shortage. | |
| Water shortage. | ||
| What's golf courses? | ||
| Golf courses is less than 2%. | ||
| That's still a lot. | ||
| sorry. | ||
| Just for California. | ||
| For the United States, it doesn't even register as a percentage. | ||
| So in California, 5% is for humans. | ||
| 4% for plastic. | ||
| 2% is for golf. | ||
| That's 50 and 55% for let's listen Let's get rid of golf. | ||
| Okay, now we're down to another 2%. | ||
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We're doing way better. | |
| Nutrition. | ||
| But, you know, that's a big one. | ||
| So water. | ||
| Water is a giant. | ||
| Water is a big one. | ||
| Another huge issue. | ||
| Desalination technology that's emerging. | ||
| Sadly, that's really not a solution either because of how much energy goes into it. | ||
| And so the greenhouse gas emissions that are attributed to each gallon of water. | ||
| How about nuclear, son? | ||
| How about we do some nuclear desalination? | ||
| We put it right on the fault line. | ||
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Oh, my gosh. | |
| Fuck it. | ||
| Another part of it is topsoil erosion. | ||
| Leading cause of topsoil erosion is from hooved animals grazing on land that never had hooved animals. | ||
| It's how we till soils to grow corn and soy and alfalfa. | ||
| Yeah, that's an issue, right, that you guys also addressed that maybe some people aren't aware of is that you can't just keep pulling the same plants over and over again from soil. | ||
| When you do that, you deplete these farmlands. | ||
| And there's a guy named Dr. Joel Wallach. | ||
| I don't know if you've ever heard of him. | ||
| A controversial character, but he had this fascinating book called Dead Doctors Don't Lie. | ||
| It's all about mineral deficiencies and about these farmlands in the United States have been minerally deficient since like the 1930s. | ||
| And they've been aware of it forever. | ||
| And so they have to supplement the farm, the ground, with minerals. | ||
| But it's barely enough. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| It's not good for your health. | ||
| The kind of vegetables that you get from those places, they're not the healthiest. | ||
| I mean, some soil scientists are saying that we won't have livable topsoils in the next 50 years in the United States because how do we farm? | ||
| That's a huge issue. | ||
| And then what ends up happening to all that topsoil runs off into streams and rivers and gets flushed out to the oceans. | ||
| We have these massive dead zones that are completely devoid of life, all from the primary cause is because of raising animals. | ||
| And then we have the greenhouse gases, and then when 50% is cleared away, imagine 50% of that land reverts back to actual wildlife, to actual fauna growing back. | ||
| But now you're talking crazy. | ||
| Now you're talking we're going to completely stop factory farming, no more agriculture. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Just forests. | ||
| Forests. | ||
| Forests and a bunch of wolves. | ||
| We're just going to be eating bark like that fucking survivor dude. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. | ||
| But I don't think anybody knew that this had happened. | ||
| I think that's part of the problem of a documentary like this is it catches people like, well, what? | ||
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What? | |
| How did this happen? | ||
| You get to that, how did this happen? | ||
| Like, it's one of the things that I realized as an adult, and I used to have a bit about this, is there's just no grown-ups. | ||
| There's just a bunch of people that got older. | ||
| Like when you're a little kid, you think that one day there's going to be a grown-up and you're going to be grown up as well and it's going to make sense. | ||
| Like, oh, one day I'll be all grown up. | ||
| But no, you get grown up and then you realize, oh, nobody knows what the fuck is going on. | ||
| And we're all operating on momentum. | ||
| And somehow or another, the momentum of these greedy cunts has created this environment where you can't even talk about what they're doing to animals. | ||
| And you can't talk about how far gone we are. | ||
| And we're so disconnected. | ||
| Most of us are just, as long as we can go to the store and buy some food, we don't have shit to think about, dude. | ||
| Okay, fucking Game of Thrones is on. | ||
| I don't have time. | ||
| And because of that, these guys have gotten away with it. | ||
| But it's like a crime that you're watching. | ||
| I mean, it is like crime. | ||
| It seems like it should be crime. | ||
| I mean, we are literally living in the largest mass extinction the planet's ever seen. | ||
| 65 million years ago, when all the dinosaurs died off is nothing compared to the rate of extinction we're seeing right now. | ||
| I've heard those animals are all losers, though. | ||
| That's what I heard. | ||
| I heard they're all losers. | ||
| Also, I heard that 90% of everything that's ever lived is extinct. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So do you want to keep owls around forever? | ||
| Are they the perfect animal? | ||
| Can't they just go and a new thing comes in their place? | ||
| Owl's the one. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I mean, intellectually, not that I'm ever, but if I was intellectual, I would say that ultimately this whole thing is happening. | ||
| Life is taking place and it's moving at this very strange and bizarre pace. | ||
| I think that ethically, though, one of the bigger issues, maybe perhaps the biggest issue, is how did we allow laws in place like laws where you can go to jail for filming cruelty? | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| As Americans, as human beings, as people that are living in the age of information of 2016, to deny information, shouldn't you know if you buy a pair of pants that that pair of pants is made by fucking slaves? | ||
| Shouldn't you know if you went to the pair of pants factory and you saw a guy whipping the people that were making the pair of pants, wouldn't you want to be aware of that? | ||
| So how is it any different? | ||
| How is it any different? | ||
| How is it any different that it's illegal to film someone being cruel to animals? | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| Because people don't want to see it. | ||
| People don't want to see what they're doing to their, you know, they're eating three times a day. | ||
| They don't want to see it. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| I don't think that's the case. | ||
| I mean, I think the big thing is that it's money. | ||
| It's money. | ||
| I think it's way more money than it is. | ||
| People don't want to see it. | ||
| Because people say that all the time. | ||
| They see the film, they feel really inspired. | ||
| They're like, well, what do we do? | ||
| I should write my congressman. | ||
| I should talk to my legislators. | ||
| And that's great if they think that's where the solutions are going to happen. | ||
| Can we just do an ice bucket challenge type thing? | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Keep it simple. | ||
| But really, what's going to come down to is that as long as this industry has money and has money to funnel into the government, things are going to continue. | ||
| And so I think it's undermining the baseline of that. | ||
| And the little thing, too, is when we tour around with the film, people talk, the politicians are the bad ones, or the animal culture groups are the bad ones, the government. | ||
| And once again, it goes back to those environmental groups. | ||
| Those are the ones. | ||
| Those are the ones that need to be held accountable. | ||
| That's why they make their billions of dollars collectively, and they're not doing it. | ||
| And that's why they're here. | ||
| I mean, that is the one that the animal culture, they're just doing their business. | ||
| They're good businessmen. | ||
| They got their lobbies. | ||
| They got the government. | ||
| They got the infiltration now to these environmental groups. | ||
| They're doing a good job. | ||
| So how about hold people accountable to step up what they're doing and hold themselves accountable whilst rather than saying, Screw you, screw you, screw you, say, you know what, look in the mirror and what can I do? | ||
| What can I do to make a difference? | ||
| And what can I do with these environmental groups that are actually palpable? | ||
| And just from the making the film, they're actually now starting to address it. | ||
| So, it's pretty cool they're finally doing it. | ||
| Well, it's interesting because if you look at the agriculture business, if you look at factory farming business, like as a business, you look at just the raising of livestock in this country, there's a gigantic diffusion of responsibility aspect to it all because each person is one part of this enormous industry. | ||
| And this industry has existed before they came along. | ||
| So, you grow up and it seems normal because everybody's buying steak at the butcher shop and everybody's getting their cows from this fucking guy and their milk from this store. | ||
| It seems totally normal. | ||
| But as you get older, you become a part of that system yourself. | ||
| You start becoming a farmer. | ||
| So, you take on a job that already exists and it's acceptable. | ||
| It's a normal part of your community and your culture. | ||
| And then, you know, you run into some problems and you need some loans. | ||
| So you get a loan and you expand your business and then you get involved with lobbyists. | ||
| And then the lobbyists come by and they say, hey, listen, we've passed a new law that makes it illegal for people to film you while you're beating the fuck out of your pigs. | ||
| All right, cool, I guess. | ||
| Shit, fuck, whatever. | ||
| As long as they can't run me out of business, I got loans. | ||
| I got loans from the fucking government. | ||
| I got to pay off. | ||
| And this is a lot of it was going on. | ||
| You're not dealing with individuals that are evil. | ||
| You're dealing with almost like an evil concept. | ||
| And the evil concept is to be able to take life and to turn it into something that's profitable. | ||
| Like to take life and to smash it into the small space possible, feed it the most fattening shit possible, pump it full of whatever chemicals we have that make it grow quicker, and then chop it up. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And I think that we, in the film, we don't demonize people who are involved in this industry because they're all trying to pay their bills, feed their families. | ||
| My dad is ranching. | ||
| Yeah, and so it's like, this is, again, these aren't bad people. | ||
| These are people caught up in a bad system. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's a real good point to make. | ||
| It's a real good point to make. | ||
| Whoever's made those laws is definitely responsible. | ||
| Whoever let that happen, like, whoa. | ||
| Having that put into, like, this one thing, if you have people that are fucking, I've seen people that interrupt restaurants and they, you know, you've seen videos of those people. | ||
| They get in and they just fucking start screaming about meat is murder. | ||
| And like, this is not the place for it. | ||
| It's just not. | ||
| It's like you're interrupting people's business. | ||
| You're making a moral judgment and you might be right in your eyes, but in this person's eyes, you're wrong. | ||
| And you're fucking with their space. | ||
| There's that. | ||
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| But that's what's interesting is when people talk about, you know, that's a judgment of what other people do. | ||
| I don't condone that at all. | ||
| But we discuss in the film is what other people are doing with their choices. | ||
| They're saying, you know, say someone's like, oh, you're vegan or vegetarian. | ||
| Well, you know, I do what I want. | ||
| You do what you would want. | ||
| Don't judge me. | ||
| It's like, well, you know what? | ||
| You're destroying our wildlife. | ||
| You're destroying my future generation. | ||
| I'm paying taxes for your hamburger, like in the film about the guy who wrote Meat Anomics. | ||
| We're paying around on a Big Mac, was it? | ||
| Seven extra dollars. | ||
| Normally it costs, what, $3? | ||
| It would cost $10, yet we are the ones paying the taxes on this through the- Vegans aren't annoying? | ||
| Because some of them are very people are annoying. | ||
| There's a percentage of people that are annoying. | ||
| There's no getting around it. | ||
| And when you ever met somebody who just started fucking doing something, like, you know, just started, you know, playing tennis, and all they want to do is talk about fucking tennis? | ||
| Like, Jesus Christ, man, enough about fucking tennis. | ||
| That's how a lot of people are with everything, including becoming a vegan. | ||
| You know, I'm guilty of it with things that I get into because when I get into things, that's all I want to talk about. | ||
| And when people find that moral high ground in particular, they tend to fucking plant a flag and blow trumpets. | ||
| And so when you say to someone, hey, you know, it's not because I'm paying taxes on your burger, they're like, oh, dude, fuck off. | ||
| You know, this is not the way to talk to people because they don't want to hear it. | ||
| Even if you're making sense with your facts and your statistics, most people, first of all, if they haven't seen your documentary or many other documentaries, whether it's Food Inc. | ||
| or whether it's King Corn or whether there's a series of them that you can watch that sort of give you this complicated, multifaceted picture of what's going on with food in this country. | ||
| And it's not good. | ||
| It's real bad on all levels. | ||
| And that's why people really love the film is that we don't say one thing to anybody. | ||
| When you watch the film, we don't make one judgment. | ||
| We don't say anything. | ||
| Not one point in the entire film. | ||
| It's just following my journey, what I personally went through about six years ago. | ||
| So it's all about providing information. | ||
| Yeah, and even that, just providing information about the taxes. | ||
| It's like, you know, this is the truth. | ||
| Just know the information and then make your own choices. | ||
| Well, yeah, you don't really have to put a spin on it. | ||
| You know, when you break down the actual numbers as far as like how, well, that was the other thing that was incredible, when you show how much area you need to grow plants versus how much area you need to grow livestock to feed the same amount of people. | ||
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| It's about one sixth of an acre to feed a vegan for a year, and then it's 18 times that. | ||
| They're so skinny, man. | ||
| They're little tiny people. | ||
| You gotta have the 300-pound vegan in here, man. | ||
| These dudes eating pizza all the time. | ||
| When you're flying over the country and you look at all that extra spot, there's a lot of space. | ||
| What the fuck's going on with that space? | ||
| When you fly over, there's nothing happening for a long time. | ||
| Which actually is kind of amazing. | ||
| Especially in the American West, you drive through Nevada and you're like, wow, there's all this open space. | ||
| But then you grow some cows there. | ||
| But you stop. | ||
| Yeah, you see, and there's one cow every hundred acres. | ||
| And so it's, I mean, this is land that the U.S. has been very efficient at utilizing its land. | ||
| What was going on with that whole Bundy Ranch thing? | ||
| That had to do with ranchers and public land for grazing as well, right? | ||
| Like they wanted to charge them more money, and so they fucking got together with their white supremacist, allegedly. | ||
| Are they white supremacists? | ||
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They're definitely Mormon? | |
| Might as well be white supremacists. | ||
| They're Mormons with guns. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| And cows. | ||
| In the U.S., we have federal lands that's managed by the Bureau of Land Management, BLM, and that land belongs to all of us. | ||
| So you can get a permit to mine on that land. | ||
| You can hunt and fish and shoot guns and ride ATVs and all that sort of stuff because it's owned by all of us. | ||
| But you can also get a permit to graze livestock. | ||
| And so ranchers get these permits to graze livestock on federal lands. | ||
| They pay a fraction of what they would normally pay. | ||
| So they're basically subsidized by all of us. | ||
| And so then Bundy and his cronies all wanted to have, they're saying, no, you know, they hadn't paid their, they're basically their fees. | ||
| And so BLN took their cattle and said, hey, you haven't paid. | ||
| You know, you're basically stealing from the U.S. citizens, you know, by grazing animals illegally. | ||
| So they did their whole coup and, you know, trying to overthrow the government. | ||
| I mean, it's just, it's nuts. | ||
| But so again, this is, and what's going on right now in Oregon, same sort of thing is that they believe that this land is for them to use because no one else is up there and so they can graze their cattle. | ||
| And it's like, well, right now they're cutting down fences and wildlife refuges to graze cattle. | ||
| It's like, I mean, it's just the, it doesn't benefit ecology in any way. | ||
| It doesn't benefit us as a body. | ||
| Who was the first one to call those guys Ya Qaeda? | ||
| Someone did it on the podcast, allegedly. | ||
| I don't know who it was. | ||
| It sounds like something Tony would say, but he's not really political. | ||
| So I don't think he would be aware of the Bundy Ranch thing. | ||
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Y'all Qaeda, that's true. | |
| Y'all Qaeda. | ||
| Yeah, but it's been on Twitter for a while. | ||
| And someone attributed to someone who was a guest on this show. | ||
| And I don't remember who it was. | ||
| If it happened, I would like to give them credit because it's fucking hilarious. | ||
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But so those ranchers, you know, they do have huge power, though. | |
| And so right now, there's wild horses in the American West that are being rounded up. | ||
| There's more wild horses in federal captivity than there are free on the range. | ||
| Yeah, I saw that. | ||
| I found that to be fascinating, too. | ||
| That was a part of your documentary that I totally didn't expect. | ||
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| And that's, again, because of the cattle industry. | ||
| Now, this federal land, when you say that their animals can graze on it for a fraction of the cost, a fraction of the cost of doing it on private land. | ||
| Is that what you mean? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But federal land is owned by all the people, so shouldn't it be kind of a fraction of the cost if you do hand out permits? | ||
| Like if you want to, like you could use that land to go camping, to hike, to do, because it's all, this is where Theodore Roosevelt, when he was in office, he was very controversial because one of the things that he did is he wanted to protect gigantic chunks of land in this country and make them public land and make it so that people will always have the great outdoors. | ||
| You could always go and enjoy these. | ||
| You can't overdevelop them. | ||
| He had a very amazing foresight in that regard. | ||
| He really saw the future in a lot of ways. | ||
| And man, they've been trying to fucking sell that shit off forever. | ||
| And as recently as one of those guys running for president, Ryan, Paul Ryan, is that his name? | ||
| I believe he was one of the guys that was ahead of this idea to sell that land to pay off the debt that the United States allegedly has to some fucking invisible man. | ||
| I don't even understand the debt that we have, like to who? | ||
| Like what's going on? | ||
| The federal bank? | ||
| Why is it called the Federal Bank? | ||
| Is it a federal thing? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's just the name of it. | ||
| Oh, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| We owe how much? | ||
| How do we owe that much? | ||
| Why are we paying them that much? | ||
| What are we paying them for? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They make money. | ||
| What? | ||
| We can't make our own fucking money. | ||
| What's going on here? | ||
| So you can go down a rabbit hole, my point. | ||
| But if you do go down that rabbit hole, like shouldn't those people, like, shouldn't you, if you have chickens, shouldn't you allow your chickens to fucking run around on public land? | ||
| The difference is profiting off of it. | ||
| So if they're having, you know, they're private industry making money on public lands. | ||
| But they do pay taxes, right? | ||
| Yeah, a fraction of taxes. | ||
| So it's not like they do it for free. | ||
| No, but they're heavily subsidized by the private sector. | ||
| How much do they pay back to that whole Big Mac thing? | ||
| It's $3, but it really should be around $10. | ||
| Well, sort of, because it's all money that's going to the government, right? | ||
| It's like, are they taking money from you? | ||
| Are you really paying taxes from it or are they paying less taxes? | ||
| You could say that you're paying taxes for it, but it's really that they're paying less. | ||
| That's really what it is. | ||
| They actually receive checks. | ||
| I mean, so it's like they get paid. | ||
| Like the oil industry does, like they get subsidized. | ||
| Yeah, so like the corn industry does too. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| Which apparently they can't survive without that. | ||
| I mean, the hog industry in North Carolina, you know, we've read a report that said they wouldn't be able to survive if it wasn't for better subsidies. | ||
| Hundreds of millions a year. | ||
| So how does that happen? | ||
| Explain, can you, I don't know if you can, can you explain that to me? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, so what it is is that U.S. government has policies around food, that food has to be affordable for its citizens. | ||
| And that's a huge thing. | ||
| If you want to keep a revolution from happening, definitely keep people well-fed. | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Fucking government, man. | ||
| They're keeping us fat and lazy. | ||
| Well, you look at the, I mean, what happened in the Arab Spring, that was mostly because of food prices. | ||
| At least a lot of economists are saying that, yeah. | ||
| But so we want to keep food affordable in the U.S. So when industry is struggling, the government steps in and said, hey, we'll help you out. | ||
| We'll keep food prices artificially low. | ||
| So like corn, for example, have huge, huge subsidies to it. | ||
| 70% of corn in the United States is fed to livestock. | ||
| So that subsidy is then passed on to the livestock industry. | ||
| You have an industry like hog industry has, you know, a porcine epidemic where all these sows are dying. | ||
| And so the U.S. government bails them out and says, oh, here's, you know, $10 billion to get your industry out of deep water. | ||
| And that stuff happens all the time. | ||
| And that's to make sure the food supply stays adequate. | ||
| Because, I mean, right now, chicken in the United States is cheaper, like, you know, astronomically cheaper than it was 50 years ago, even including inflation. | ||
| I mean, it's. | ||
| Well, you know, that was one of, I believe, Roosevelt's, I think it was Roosevelt, his campaign slogans, was a chicken in every pot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because chickens were like lobster back then. | ||
| It was like really expensive. | ||
| See if that was, I think it was Roosevelt. | ||
| But that, you know, that animal was a wealthy person's meal. | ||
| Right. | ||
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| And it's become the standard. | ||
| And then the reason for it is it's artificially low. | ||
| Hoover? | ||
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| Hoover. | ||
| One of those old dead dudes. | ||
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| So that's, you know, again, that's just one aspect of it is that we, because people will say that, they'll be like, well, you know, it's really expensive to eat plant-based food. | ||
| And so, you know, I've traveled around the world. | ||
| I've lived around the world. | ||
| Plant-based foods are the cheapest foods around the world, except for extreme remote areas where they can't grow vegetables. | ||
| The reason why you can buy a 99-cent hamburger, though, is because of federal subsidies. | ||
| So subsidies that keep food prices low. | ||
| Here's part of the problem. | ||
| I agree that it's probably a good idea to keep food prices low because people don't make so much money. | ||
| But then you go down that rabbit hole. | ||
| Well, how come people don't make so much money? | ||
| Why is the fucking minimum wage so low? | ||
| How the hell do you live on that? | ||
| You can't live on that. | ||
| You really can't. | ||
| And we interviewed Lauren and Ellis from Food Empowerment Project, and that's one of the things they talk about is that we look at food deserts that are happening around urban areas. | ||
| People can't afford food, and it's because we don't have a living wage. | ||
| It's like you want to solve food deserts. | ||
| What is a food desert? | ||
| It's areas that don't have access to fresh foods. | ||
| So you look at a community, and their only grocery store is a liquor store that has chips and junk food. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| So you're just talking about neighborhoods, just neighborhoods that have poor neighborhoods. | ||
| That is the weirdest part about going to poor neighborhoods is how many fucking liquor stores, man. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| And again, the federal subsidies, it's like they're not subsidizing healthy fruits and vegetables. | ||
| It's like you're not, you know, the organic fruits and vegetables industries aren't heavily subsidized. | ||
| They're not subsidized even at all for most of them. | ||
| They're subsidizing really unhealthy foods, high-fructose corn syrup, you know, animal products, foods that are actually killing us. | ||
| Well, that was another super disturbing part of King Corn when they went over their own bodies. | ||
| They got their bodies examined and found out how much of the carbon in their body had come from corn. | ||
| They were made out of fucking corn. | ||
| And then they go through the supermarket aisle and examine all the different products to find evidence of corn products in them. | ||
| And look, whoa. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| It's bizarre. | ||
| How this happened in 100 years? | ||
| In 100 years? | ||
| I mean, you go back to 1915 and everything was normal. | ||
| People were eating normal shit. | ||
| The farms were normal. | ||
| People would get their milk delivered to their door in the morning in a glass jug that came from a farm. | ||
| It was normal. | ||
| Somewhere along the line. | ||
| Yeah, well, really, it came from war, World War I and World War II as they started producing chemical nitrogen for mustard gas and for chemical weapons. | ||
| And they realized, whoa, you can grow plants with this stuff. | ||
| Do you know the story behind that? | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| The Hopper method? | ||
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| That guy became a fucking war criminal. | ||
| The guy who invented the nitrogen that's responsible for like 50% of the fucking nitrogen in your body right now has come from the Hopper method where they take, say, So instead of using fertilizer, they figured out how to get nitrogen out of the fucking air. | ||
| This same guy came up with the idea of gassing people. | ||
| He gassed the Allied troops in World War I and then created Zyklon B, that fucking gas that they, well, they use Zyklon A and Zyklon B. And he came out with Zyklon A and he figured out a way to make it so it has a very strong smell so you would know it was a pesticide. | ||
| So that you would know that you, if you smelled it, get the fuck away from it. | ||
| And then the Nazis turned into Zyklon B. So they just took out whatever element that gave it a horrible smell. | ||
| And he was a Jew. | ||
| Isn't that sick? | ||
| Isn't that sucked? | ||
| It all happened after he was... | ||
| Like the Nazis using Zyklon B. But while he was alive, they were, I mean, he was like a man without a country. | ||
| And the United States, they'd given him a fucking Nobel Prize, and then they wanted to try him as a war criminal at the same time. | ||
| It was fucking bananas. | ||
| He's one of the weirdest stories ever in science. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Fritz Haber. | ||
| Yeah, and that's basically how we got to where we are. | ||
| It's like you can all of a sudden grow corn in places that you could never grow foods before. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If anybody wants to hear more about that, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but there's a Radiolab podcast on it. | ||
| Go check it out. | ||
| I wish I could remember the name of it, but if you Google, what is it? | ||
| Did you just say something? | ||
| Yeah, so I got it right here. | ||
| It's how do you solve a problem? | ||
| It's Fritz Haber. | ||
| That's what it's called. | ||
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| There might have been more than one. | ||
| But I think it was the bad show. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if that's the actual podcast. | ||
| Either way, you'll find it, folks. | ||
| But it's worth listening to. | ||
| If you haven't heard of Radio Lab, it's a fucking amazing podcast. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| So that's, I mean, that's, he's a big reason why. | ||
| I mean, right now we have, that's what allowed populations to explode. | ||
| I mean, agriculture really is what allowed populations to explode. | ||
| It's like once we started cultivating plants, populations, you know, we're not spending 90% of our time hunting and gathering. | ||
| It's amazing that the pill, the birth control pill, didn't put a fucking dent in anything. | ||
| Didn't even, it was like throwing up some cheesecloth to try to stop a raging river. | ||
| Just didn't do jack shit. | ||
| They thought like, oh, we're going to have this down now. | ||
| All you have to do is take a pill. | ||
| Whew, boy, we figured that out just in the nick of time. | ||
| That's it, man. | ||
| Imagine if there was no pill. | ||
| Probably the same amount of people. | ||
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| People are stupid as fuck. | ||
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Yeah, I mean, the real thing, if you want to control populations, educate girls. | |
| That's what it comes down to. | ||
| That doesn't work. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| People educate boys. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| First of all, you definitely can't put it on girls because they get horny just like boys get horny. | ||
| They get baffled. | ||
| But that's the whole thing is that you look at populations whose birth rates are going down. | ||
| It's when they started educating girls and they stopped segregating where only boys were going to school. | ||
| That's one correlation, though, but also populations go down in places that are more advanced and places that are high population areas with more affluent people. | ||
| Populations go down. | ||
| People where they're more career-oriented people, populations go down. | ||
| Right, but there's a lot of different factors in that, right? | ||
| Totally, but they have to be. | ||
| Well, no, no, no. | ||
| I mean, it's the fact that we got it. | ||
| Why do we have 50 kids? | ||
| Because you're a fucking whore. | ||
| That's why. | ||
| You're an uneducated whore. | ||
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| Well, I mean, a woman who's got an education isn't concerned about having 10 kids. | ||
| She's interested in having a career. | ||
| Some of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I come from a family of eight kids. | ||
| I'll talk about human population all day long. | ||
| People are goofy. | ||
| You know, they fuck and they make people. | ||
| It's just ridiculous that at this point in time, sex is the only way to make people. | ||
| Like, you know, you should figure out a way better and more obvious way to make people than do something that your body's urging you to do all the time. | ||
| I'm like, what are we, amoebas? | ||
| Like, god damn, let's get past that, will we? | ||
| I mean, that's one of the most important things. | ||
| Even as important as factory farming. | ||
| Figure out a way where it's completely sober and non-pleasurable to make a person. | ||
| Where it's not like a desire, like you've been holding your breath for an hour. | ||
| Like, That's what it's like with people and they have sex. | ||
| It's just such a fucking overwhelming feeling. | ||
| And that's how you make a person? | ||
| That's pathetic. | ||
| It's a biological trick of the highest order. | ||
| Mother Nature's a trickster. | ||
| Dirty trickster. | ||
| Well, you know, that's at least something that's addressed and people talk about. | ||
| The thing that I think I find the most disturbing about all this is how few people are aware of the reality of factory farming. | ||
| It sort of seems like a ghost that's whispered in the woods, you know, oh, factory farming, yeah, it's fucking terrible. | ||
| You know, no one really thinks about it too much because it's not really in our face enough. | ||
| And the idea that that now is covered by the Patriot Act, if you do put it in people's faces, that you, I mean, it's essentially like by way of creating a law like that, they've made it so that you'll never make it better. | ||
| There's no need to make it better. | ||
| And as soon as there's no need to improve the conditions that these animals live under, then it's just not going to get better. | ||
| If it doesn't help, I mean, businesses don't operate that way. | ||
| It doesn't help profits, it's not going to get better. | ||
| That's the thing, though, with the, you know, again, the film, it's not just the factory farms, it's everything. | ||
| It's with a population as big as it is, there's just no way to feed this meat consumption and dairy with the demand. | ||
| But is the ultimately the move to make everybody eat vegetables or the move to make less people? | ||
| Can we just start killing stupid people? | ||
| Can we just have a poll? | ||
| How old is the Earth? | ||
| You think it's less than 10,000 years old? | ||
| You win a prize. | ||
| And we have them all show up and just push them into a volcano. | ||
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| But it's like, who chooses? | ||
| That's some Nazi shit right there. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I think it's looking at both of them. | ||
| I think you can't ignore population when talking about sustainability. | ||
| They go hand in hand. | ||
| I think having a very honest, serious conversation about human population is very important. | ||
| But there's no real ethical way to control population that I know of right now. | ||
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| Because I take it seriously. | ||
| I mean, I actually, I had myself sterilized when I was 24 years old. | ||
| Good move, dude. | ||
| Yeah, it's one of the best decisions I've ever made in my whole life. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, because I just looked at the situation. | ||
| I care about sustainability. | ||
| I don't want to contribute to that. | ||
| I want to live as sustainably as possible. | ||
| And then as far as feeding people, you know, one of the scientists on our film, they said, if everyone did just eat plants, you know, that would happen is that you could feed around 14, 15 billion people. | ||
| We're at 7 billion. | ||
| And the way we're eating right now, we need two and a half planets. | ||
| So right now, we're screwed, but it's more than a population issue. | ||
| It's like what the population is doing. | ||
| What if people just lose weight? | ||
| People are fat as fuck. | ||
| What if everybody just stops eating so much? | ||
| Can't we just drop it drastically? | ||
| What if people ate enough to be lean and healthy like you're supposed to? | ||
| What difference in the consumption would that be? | ||
| I mean, it's how many calories go into per calorie. | ||
| So it's like unit of energy. | ||
| That's a big part of it. | ||
| So that's a part of the unsustainability. | ||
| So the unsustainability is the topsoil is eroded to the point where there's just not that much that they can do with it. | ||
| And at a certain point in time, it's going to become sterile. | ||
| So that's one part of the unsustainability. | ||
| And the other part of the unsustainability is that the population is not staying the same. | ||
| And it's continuing to jump up. | ||
| I think in my lifetime, the United States has gone up something like 60 million plus people just in my lifetime. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised it was more than that. | ||
| It probably is more than that. | ||
| I'm probably making shit up. | ||
| What do I know? | ||
| But I watched a film the other day, and it was about the 19, I guess, 1960s, early 1960s. | ||
| And they were driving around and those old cars, and there's fucking nobody on the road, man. | ||
| Like, you look at New York City. | ||
| You could get anywhere. | ||
| You could just drive around and you watch it. | ||
| And you're like, wow, that's crazy. | ||
| Look at everyone just driving. | ||
| Like, there's no traffic jams. | ||
| They didn't even know what a traffic jam was. | ||
| And then you look 60 years later, whatever it is, it's nuts. | ||
| Like, now it's just a swarm. | ||
| And then you have to extrapolate. | ||
| Okay, well, what's going to happen in 100 years from now? | ||
| What's that going to be like? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I mean, they're expecting 9 billion people by, what, 2050. | ||
| And those people all are going to want to eat. | ||
| And that's a big part of it. | ||
| Are we going to have like apartment buildings stacked up with cows inside of them? | ||
| Is that what they're going to eventually do? | ||
| They do that in Japan. | ||
| Do they really? | ||
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| Whoa. | ||
| They made that up and they do it. | ||
| That's always fucked up when you have a ridiculous idea that you don't think anyone's ever going to do and they go, oh, they're already doing it. | ||
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| Well, they have that YU fucking cow thing going on, which I never understand why people want to pay all that money for a cow that's basically like a job of the hut cow. | ||
| It's like going to die. | ||
| Like its body's just riddled with fat. | ||
| Like you look at that meat and it's just like that animal is sick. | ||
| That is a sick, sick animal. | ||
| That's super unhealthy. | ||
| Oh, it's so juicy though. | ||
| It's so delicious. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| I mean, the big thing too, though, about like the sustainability is the fact that we're clearing forest to graze cattle. | ||
| Amazon, near 91% of the Amazon destruction has been in Brazil, has been associated with grazing cattle. | ||
| The assassinations too. | ||
| That was the other thing you guys covered when you showed that nun who got taken out by the cattle industry, allegedly, down there. | ||
| Like, whew. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| They shot a nun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She spoke out against the cattle industry because they killed. | ||
| It was a good documentary on her. | ||
| Yeah, Dorothy Stang. | ||
| Dorothy Stang. | ||
| And the hitman who was paid by a rancher to kill her. | ||
| He went to prison for, what, one year, two years? | ||
| And then he got retried and then he got let off. | ||
| It was a good documentary on her. | ||
| Yeah, over a thousand forest activists have been killed in Brazil in just, what, the past 20 years? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this guy who paid him off, did he get in trouble? | ||
| The guy who paid for this hitman? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Did they name him? | ||
| Yeah, that documentary, it was a while ago, but it's really good. | ||
| It just shows how corrupt it is. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, well, Brazil, especially when it comes to poverty, it's a totally different situation. | ||
| Have you been? | ||
| Well, it sucks. | ||
| It was my favorite country. | ||
| And then making this film, I was like, ugh, I'm not going there for a while. | ||
| It's not, you know, it's not everyone. | ||
| Brazil's awesome. | ||
| I love Brazil. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I've been there probably six times. | ||
| The people are so friendly and so happy and so proud to be Brazilian. | ||
| Like, they love that you enjoy Brazil. | ||
| But whenever you have poverty, man, there's a lot of haves and have-nots in Brazil. | ||
| There's extreme poverty and extreme wealth. | ||
| And it's weird when you go through neighborhoods and you see really high fences with barbed wire around them and shit. | ||
| And I was like, whoa, like this is kind of crazy. | ||
| Like these are these really nice houses that are protected like it's a prison. | ||
| It's unfortunate. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, but the assassinations and everything that they're having in Brazil, it's all people that are trying to stop the deforestation of the rainforest, which is unbelievably devastating to the tune of, what was it, one acre? | ||
| How long? | ||
| A minute? | ||
| It's up to one acre every second, up to sometime. | ||
| Every second. | ||
| Like a football field. | ||
| Think of a whole football field every second. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So right now, up to or it varies? | ||
| Up to varies depending on the year. | ||
| It depends, yeah. | ||
| It went down for a few years and then two acres a second? | ||
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| And then a few years ago it went down and then they just released this law that made it go down. | ||
| Now they're back up back up again to where it used to be. | ||
| It's literally unconceivable. | ||
| Inconceivable. | ||
| And that's the thing too, you look at the environmental organizations, you would think this would be their forefront issue. | ||
| Right now you go to any rainforest action organization, they're going to be talking about palm oil and pulp in timber and dams and fossil fuels when still today the leading cause of rainforest destruction around the world is animal agriculture. | ||
| That's fascinating. | ||
| Was anybody willing to talk to you guys about that? | ||
| Not in the watch. | ||
| I mean Amazon Watch. | ||
| Amazon Watch, yeah. | ||
| You know, when it was kind of the turn of all talking to all these groups and then finally it was this big long drawn out thing where she was kind of stumbling, stumbling, stumbling. | ||
| Finally she said, you know what? | ||
| You're right. | ||
| This is screwed up and this is the reason why we're not talking about it. | ||
| And then these interviews are two hours long and sometimes we go to these screenings and you have someone from Greenpeace or Sierra Club and they say, oh, you guys manipulated the editing of the film. | ||
| It's like, you know, you watch the full edits of the film. | ||
| It's more bizarre. | ||
| It's more of a cover-up. | ||
| So who was accusing you of that? | ||
| Who was accusing of manipulating the data? | ||
| Oh, all the time when we go on tour, some will stand up and they'll say the edits of our interviews, you know, the most bizarre part and the most funniest part. | ||
| They say you manipulated the edits to make it the most funny or the most cover-up and say, no, if you see the longer edits of that, it's worse than it appears. | ||
| Why don't you guys just put the long edits up on YouTube? | ||
| We've been doing that, but we've been working on other stuff. | ||
| It's very disconcerting to think that these animal rights are these Greenpeace activists and these environmental activists and all these different people that are involved in this campaign to save the rainforest are also maybe even taking money from animal agriculture. | ||
| Is that fair to say? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there's definitely links to show that some of these organizations do accept money straight from the industry. | ||
| World Wildlife Fund doesn't make any qualms about it. | ||
| They get money from the beef industry. | ||
| But then you can also look at who's on their board. | ||
| What's their background? | ||
| And to be honest, in all fairness, is that it's such a massive industry, it's hard not to be associated with them in some way or another. | ||
| But Greenpeace's largest grant on record comes from a guy who raises and slaughters 40,000 animals for his restaurants every year. | ||
| So it's like, how are you going to speak bad about an industry when one of your huge donors is doing that? | ||
| Now, how do you decipher that? | ||
| Because do you say, well, maybe this guy who slaughters all these animals for his restaurants, is that Ted Turner? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I knew it. | ||
| Maybe he really is legit. | ||
| That's why I said Ted Turner, because I think he legitimately does have concerns about the environment. | ||
| He seems like a guy who really loves the great outdoors. | ||
| He has massive ranches and goes to them and shit. | ||
| I mean, I don't doubt that these organizations really believe in what they're doing. | ||
| They want to help the environment. | ||
| And they do good work. | ||
| You know, it's like the reason why we have a, I think a big part of why we have an environmental movement in the United States is because of Greenpeace. | ||
| And they've opened doors to be able to talk about things. | ||
| And I'm so thankful for that. | ||
| But to fail to talk about, you know, Kip has an analogy about the house on fire. | ||
| Yeah, it's basically, you know, imagine a house that's burning on fire. | ||
| And these organization groups, you know, the Sear Clubs, Reinforce Action Network, Greenpeaces, they come, house is on fire. | ||
| One of them comes and cleans the window because it's a little, you know, a little dusty. | ||
| Another one dusts the countertop. | ||
| One other leaky faucet, meanwhile, there's a bonfire in the middle of the house that's burning the house down. | ||
| That's a great analogy. | ||
| And that's essentially what's happening. | ||
| Yeah, so I think they are doing good work, but they're failing to address the most destructive industry. | ||
| Ted Turner's scenario, does he have, you say he slaughters all these animals for his restaurants, are they his own animals? | ||
| Does he have ranches and he grows these cattle? | ||
| He's, I think, the second largest landowner in the United States. | ||
| And so he raises... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And so therefore his restaurants, the whatever they're called. | ||
| Ted's. | ||
| I think it's called Ted's. | ||
| And they are no wildlife preserves, you know, they're cow preserves. | ||
| So when he's growing these cows, like, is he doing it in a sustainable way in his property at least? | ||
| I mean, how's he doing it? | ||
| He raises buffalo as well. | ||
| And if people are going to raise animals for consumption, they should be raising native species. | ||
| I mean, I don't think people should be raising animals. | ||
| It's just super inefficient. | ||
| It's like 16 pounds of input to get one pound out. | ||
| But you could at least do an indigenous species. | ||
| Is a cow non-indigenous? | ||
| Where does it come from? | ||
| Asia. | ||
| Really? | ||
| American cows come from Asia? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Think about that, Texans. | ||
| Greeting Chinese food. | ||
| I know what you think. | ||
| You think I'm American, I'm going to sit down here with American steak. | ||
| And for pure sustainability, the most sustainable way to grow is through factory farms. | ||
| If you're just talking not for efficiency. | ||
| As far as efficiency. | ||
| Right, but nobody factory farms buffalo. | ||
| That seems like a fucking sin. | ||
| It's weird just seeing them in supermarkets. | ||
| You can buy bison. | ||
| So bizarre. | ||
| Wasn't that on the, weren't they almost dead? | ||
| Wasn't it on that? | ||
| That's the most bizarre thing, yeah. | ||
| Well, the most bizarre thing was how many, you know, there's a guy named Dan Flores that wrote a thing about bison ecology. | ||
| It's really fascinating, and I've got to get him on the podcast. | ||
| But his assertation is that the Native Americans, just with the introduction of firearms and horses, they would have probably wiped the buffalo out even like, you know, without the Americans or without the Europeans landing and becoming a part of this buffalo. | ||
| It wouldn't have happened as quick because the overall slaughter was fueled by money. | ||
| You know, the hide slaughter, I mean, the amount of buffalo hides they were getting. | ||
| And this is insane. | ||
| We've all seen the stacks of bones. | ||
| But he believes that what had happened was there had been a massive decline in the population of Native Americans. | ||
| And during that time, the buffalo grew to staggering proportions. | ||
| That before that, they had kind of kept them in check more because they had eaten them. | ||
| But there was like, I believe there was like a 90% decline in the populations of Native Americans. | ||
| It probably was linked to Europeans moving here and giving them diseases that they didn't have immune systems for. | ||
| Fascinating, fascinating subject, obviously off. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, Guns, Germs, and Steel, that's an awesome book, similar sort of thing where it talks about that. | ||
| Yeah, introduce technology to a population and see what happens. | ||
| Well, his flores is backs historical recollections of different people who had come before the decline in Native American populations, and they really didn't discuss bison herds. | ||
| They'd never seen these million herds of bison like they described in the 1700s. | ||
| People had gotten there and been like, what in the fuck? | ||
| Just thunderous hills of... | ||
| So our idea of that being like, it used to be a million buffalo for a very short period of time, and that was a mistake. | ||
| And that was just an imbalance that probably would have been corrected by the introduction of guns and horseback. | ||
| But buffalo, they eat even more grass and require even more land than cow do, right? | ||
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| You know, I don't know if about efficiency like per pound of meat they put on their bones, you know, for what they consume. | ||
| Cows are really efficient, but they just eat different things, too. | ||
| Buffalo do. | ||
| Yeah, they co-evolved with the grasses. | ||
| I mean, there's a reason why they call buffalo grasses because buffalo's actually eaten. | ||
| I've never heard of buffalo grasses. | ||
| Yeah, so that's like what the prairies used to be covered in was the species. | ||
| Buffalo wings. | ||
| Different? | ||
| Those are just tiny little buffaloes. | ||
| Little mini miniature buffaloes. | ||
| There was a fucking episode of the Jessica Simpson show. | ||
| Remember she used to live with that dude where she was trying to figure out how they got wings from buffaloes? | ||
| Allegedly. | ||
| She might have been playing dumb. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It'd be fucking cool, though, if buffalo. | ||
| Well, buffalo are dangerous as fuck too, by the way, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| If you encounter buffalo, especially during the rut in Yellowstone, get the fuck away from them. | ||
| They run you over. | ||
| They'll kill you. | ||
| They think you're going to kill them. | ||
| They're going to kill you. | ||
| They're wild animals. | ||
| People get fucked up by buffalo all the time. | ||
| There's a hilarious video I saw of this guy. | ||
| He wants to get close. | ||
| He's going to take a picture of these buffalo. | ||
| And the buffalo just sees him, turns, like, oh, are you fucking kidding me? | ||
| And just charges at him. | ||
| That's it, man. | ||
| When I lived in Alaska, you'd see tourists all the time going up to bull moose. | ||
| Just think they're going to get a picture. | ||
| I mean, literally, they've seen people walk up to black bears just like they're in a zoo. | ||
| People don't really understand the fact that animals, and that's really kind of all animals, are potentially very dangerous, particularly wild animals. | ||
| Well, including people, by the way. | ||
| We're just so used to this civil environment where people can come up to other people and say hi. | ||
| Bears don't just come up to bears and say hi. | ||
| They have to know the bear. | ||
| They have to be reasonably sure the bear is not going to bite them in the face. | ||
| And they know each other. | ||
| When a new bear comes into town, there's a fucking war going on. | ||
| It's chaos, just like it used to be with people. | ||
| So that's the world that a fucking moose is living in. | ||
| You just can't walk up on that moose, dude. | ||
| That moose is fighting off bears all the time. | ||
| I mean, imagine being a moose in Alaska, and you have to deal with some potentially 10, 11 foot tall, gigantic, furry monster that just eats everything it can. | ||
| I mean, what does a bear weigh? | ||
| A thousand fucking pounds? | ||
| A grizzly? | ||
| And you think of that thing as just running around looking for you? | ||
| You'd be on edge. | ||
| You'd be a little on edge. | ||
| Some fucking fat guy with a Las Vegas visor on comes at you with his iPhone. | ||
| Fuck him. | ||
| They're going to trample that dude. | ||
| Think you're cute? | ||
| You're going to take a selfie with me, bitch? | ||
| I live in a different world, motherfucker. | ||
| Stomp. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're gigantic, man. | ||
| I saw my first moose a couple years ago in Alaska. | ||
| I just couldn't believe it, man. | ||
| I just couldn't believe how big they were. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially I was living in the interior about 100 miles from Fairbanks. | ||
| And it's like, you see a bull moose, you know, mature bull moose, you can feel like you can walk right under his stomach. | ||
| Yeah, you probably could. | ||
| People have driven under them in car accidents. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like they made it underneath the car and just clip the roof on the underbelly of the car. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Or the underbelly of the moose. | ||
| You would see a bison in person. | ||
| His face is about as tall as you are. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| They're monstrous. | ||
| Monstrously huge. | ||
| And so fucking cool looking. | ||
| When you see a bison, they seem like some Star Wars animal. | ||
| It really does seem like something from Star Wars. | ||
| Like with this crazy lion kind of mane thing going on. | ||
| You know, the extra fur in the front. | ||
| Why did you grow so big? | ||
| Why did nature want you to be so fucking enormous? | ||
| Just a destroyer of grasses. | ||
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| An eater of grasses. | ||
| That's just crazy. | ||
| Look at that thing. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| I mean, if that wasn't real, and you saw that in a movie, that's a total Star Wars monster. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, you would see like some dude with like motorcycle goggles on it and a metal helmet riding it. | ||
| It's going over the top of the hill. | ||
| And what is the only thing he eats is plants? | ||
| That's what's crazy, you know? | ||
| It's like all the skinny plant jokes, but then you got the gorillas and these huge, massive, strong animals. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Elk, moose, all of them. | ||
| Eating grasses. | ||
| Yeah, gorillas are real weird because they're not just gigantic, but they also have fangs. | ||
| And they're per pound, per pound, the strongest animal in the whole world. | ||
| Eating broccoli and shit. | ||
| Yeah, it's very strange when you see the diversity of wildlife, and you have to think that all of this stuff... | ||
| All this stuff came from single-celled organisms that eventually evolved and changed and mutated and adapted and Random mutation, pressure from the environment, and then they became what they are now. | ||
| What a bizarre world we live in. | ||
| And I think that that's also a big part of what's wrong with factory farming and what's wrong with our disconnection from our food is that we're very rarely around animals. | ||
| And to the point where I think most human beings think of it as like people and animals. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| It's life. | ||
| It's all over the place. | ||
| There's a lot of different life. | ||
| We've just cleared off most of it to like all you see is like birds and squirrels. | ||
| And you don't even think of them because they're around so often. | ||
| They're like, there's another fucking bird shit on my car, asshole. | ||
| And you drive off. | ||
| But when you're around wildlife, like if you've ever been in the woods, seen like, you know, a population of fox walk by and you see like the mama bear or and a couple cubs and you see these kind of animals like in in the wild and you realize like these fuckers are here they're they've been here they're staying they breed here this is normal they've been this way since lewis and clark like hundreds of years ago they were just like this and they're just like this right now we just never go into that world so we forget that world's even | ||
| air. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I think we have a huge disconnect, you know, as you said, from our food and from the natural world. | ||
| It's like we live in concrete boxes and we drive in cars and it's like we forget that we are part of this whole system. | ||
| And that's, I think, a big part of what Cowspiracy does too, is that remind people that you're part of this system, you know, whether you want to or not, it's like you're part of the system. | ||
| You're dependent upon the atmosphere for your air. | ||
| You're dependent upon the ground for your water. | ||
| It's like you're dependent on the soil for your food. | ||
| It's like, this is it. | ||
| There's no way of getting out of it. | ||
| Well, this is the first time I think our generation, or I'm older than you guys, I think, the generations of the last 20 years, the people that are alive today, let's just call it the people that are awake and alive and paying attention today, this is really probably unprecedented amount of understanding of the consequences of the way we're living. | ||
| I really don't think it's ever been like this before, where so many people are so aware of what has been set up in this system that we're born into, this system that we just, you know, we went to school and we got out of school and we got jobs and we became a part of it. | ||
| And then as adults, we start looking around and going, who fucking designed the Democrats and the Republicans? | ||
| That's it? | ||
| These fucking two people, the only people? | ||
| And their idea, what is this fucking, where'd this meat sandwich come from? | ||
| How can I just go through this spot and I can reach my hand out my metal box with rubber tires and hand this guy paper and he gives me a ground meat sandwich and I just drive off? | ||
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That's it. | |
| That's what's cool. | ||
| The film ends as a real inspiring way is that people are turning on now, you know? | ||
| So something just in the past couple of years, you can just kind of feel it, like this transformation of just information passes so fast, you can't hide things from people. | ||
| Well, do you think that, do you worry at all that something like that Patriot Act thing could be somehow or another applied to people who make documentaries that expose realities like that? | ||
| When we made the film, it was kind of how it went down, you know? | ||
| When I, we really took a step back. | ||
| We, after we talked to Howard Lyman, that, uh, the rancher, he scared, he scared the shit out of us. | ||
| He really did. | ||
| And we were talking, once we released the film, should we go to Cuba for a couple months? | ||
| Like we were, we were, he scared us and he says, you know, watch out, you know, this is serious shit. | ||
| And then, so we realized finally, you know, what are we going to do if we just stand, stand back and do nothing, stay silent? | ||
| We're all screwed. | ||
| You know, the fear of not doing something has to supersede the fear of one individual doing something. | ||
| You know, we have to step up and all do something because if not, what are we going to live in? | ||
| In a world full of cows, you know, and that's in a monoculture of cows and destruction and we're not going to be around anyway. | ||
| So it was scary, but now at the point, it's been, you know, a year and a half since we released it and we're already on to our, uh, you know, our new, new project coming along right now too. | ||
| So. | ||
| So you haven't had any blowback at all? | ||
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When we released the film, cause we originally, we did a crowdfunding campaign. | |
| We released the film, um, and a week after we premiered it, Beef Magazine did a writeup about the film called, uh, Beef Magazine? | ||
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| Is that a gay porn magazine? | ||
| It's like, I think it's the other one. | ||
| Or is it a rap battle magazine? | ||
| They, uh, it's, yeah. | ||
| So they did this writeup called, uh, why ranchers should be concerned about the documentary Cowspiracy. | ||
| And it was all, hey, this film's coming out. | ||
| It's got these stats and you should know your numbers because this is coming down the pipeline. | ||
| Um, and we've had a couple other industries say that sort of stuff. | ||
| And we get, you know, we get some threatening sort of messages and Facebook posts and stuff like that. | ||
| Like what do they say? | ||
| Oh, you know, just the same bullshit that anyone that gets on the internet. | ||
| Um, but I guess. | ||
| Well, a lot of people don't get threats. | ||
| from the cattle industry like what kind of what kind of threats are you getting oh i mean it's you know you guys should fucking die um you know i hope somebody fucking shoots you guys you know that sort of stuff whoa i hope somebody shoots you guys boys for in the yalka y'all Qaeda Ya Al Qaeda So why do they say why? | ||
| I mean, the film shows and exposes the atrocities of this industry, and that's a threat to a lot of people's livelihood. | ||
| And so, of course, there's going to be pushback. | ||
| Someone's saying that you should die because you showed facts. | ||
| Yeah, that's the thing. | ||
| We say nothing ourselves. | ||
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| All we do is interview people. | ||
| All we do is interview people. | ||
| Well, you narrate a few of the facts and the numbers and statistics, but— We're not telling anybody what to do. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How could someone say that you should die because of that? | ||
| And, you know, one of the most emotional screenings, we went to Idaho because my dad's from Idaho, and, you know, he's a rancher. | ||
| My grandfather's a rancher, both of them. | ||
| And so I'm very sympathetic to what they're going through and what we're, you know, their next level of switch that has to happen or we're screwed. | ||
| You know, what do they do? | ||
| Are they going to learn a new trade all of a sudden, like how to grow organic vegetables when this is what they've been doing? | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Well, it's a giant issue also that a lot of them are in debt. | ||
| A lot of them are barely getting by as it is. | ||
| The world of being a farmer is incredibly labor-intensive and very expensive and hard to turn a profit. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| You know, we all know of farms that have gone under. | ||
| I mean, that's why they started those Farm Aid concerts and, you know, Willie Nelson. | ||
| Was it John Mellencamp? | ||
| Was it a bunch of those guys? | ||
| I mean, that was what that was all about, try to help the American farmer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, I mean, again, it's about providing information, let people make up their own minds. | ||
| But so we had concern, major concern about the film. | ||
| We just kind of let it go. | ||
| We just feel like, hey, we're protected by all the people who back us up, who supported the film. | ||
| and then leonardo caprio saw the film and got super excited about it they caught in touch with us and they his one of his producers, Jennifer Davidson, said, Hey, Leo saw your film, loves it, wants to be executive producer, wants to take it to Netflix. | ||
| Actually, he took it to Netflix already, and they're interested in taking the film on. | ||
| Whoa, right away? | ||
| He brought it to Netflix without even asking us? | ||
| Without even talking to us, which is awesome. | ||
| So gangster. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But so they, you know, of course, they had major concern. | ||
| Like, hey, here's Leonardo Caprio, like A-list celebrity, biggest name. | ||
| Like, he's putting his name on a super controversial film. | ||
| And so we went through the film again, and we, you know, just scoured it for all of our facts and backed everything up. | ||
| So, like, on our website, all the stats that we've thrown out through this podcast and in the film are on our website, calspiracy.com. | ||
| There's a fact page and it has linked to every single study and reference. | ||
| But so that was a major concern. | ||
| Like, hey, once a huge name and this hits totally mainstream went on Netflix back in September and it's just blown up. | ||
| Are we going to get even more pushback? | ||
| And so far, I think the industry, if the industry's smart, which is questionable, they'll continue to ignore us as best they can because it's only going to draw more attention if they come after us. | ||
| Is it possible that they can adapt? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And that's the awesome. | ||
| What would they do? | ||
| Well, that's the awesome thing is that Silk Soy Milk is owned by one of the largest dairy companies in the U.S. because they looked at it and they said, hey, look, we're losing part of the market to plant-based milks. | ||
| We should buy plant-based milks. | ||
| Because, hey, they're not really interested in hurting animals. | ||
| They're not interested in hurting the planet. | ||
| They want to make money. | ||
| They want to make money. | ||
| So it's like when people switch over to more sustainable foods, that's where they see the money and they're just going to follow the money. | ||
| So that's one of the real hopefuls for me. | ||
| That was another dark part of the movie. | ||
| It's watching dairy cows. | ||
| Watching how they're extracting the milk from it. | ||
| You're like, ooh. | ||
| And that was the best farm. | ||
| That was like the best of the best. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Kind of like when you said you visited your buddy's farm, we thought it was going to be nice and like, wow, this is going to be kind of a weird part of the film because you can see these beautiful cows and it's just one of those, they know their kids are up on the hill, face the other way, and they hang out by them, kind of stare at them, and just this, this, you know, a thousand cows, the visceral, the feeling you can feel in the air of just sadness. | ||
| It was, that was the toughest day. | ||
| We went to a slaughterhouse on Fear Factor once. | ||
| This stunt they had to do in a slaughterhouse. | ||
| And I remember the feeling that you got when you were in the building. | ||
| It was like, woo, dude. | ||
| Like, there's like a feeling in the air here. | ||
| Like, I don't want to be all hippy-dippy, woo-woo, crystals and all that jazz. | ||
| But I really felt like you could feel despair. | ||
| It was almost like a vibration that you could detect. | ||
| Like, this is very strange. | ||
| It's a very strange feeling. | ||
| Yeah, and then it's like, you know, those animals feel that. | ||
| And then it goes in, you know, adrenaline and all these hormones are pumped into their system the moment that they're killed. | ||
| And you're eating that. | ||
| And actually, maybe that's a good point for... | ||
| Super stoked that we are making our new film and it's called What the Health, that the exact same thing is happening to the health industry. | ||
| The leading cause of diseases, heart disease, diabetes, cancer is from eating animal products and the same thing is happening. | ||
| The American Cancer Society, the American Diabetic Society, all these organizations are not telling the information that's coming out of all these facts. | ||
| That's, you know, countless medical studies of what's really killing us and causing diseases. | ||
| So that's coming out here soon, too. | ||
| So that's exciting. | ||
| So what are the facts as far as what's causing cancer and how has that been proven? | ||
| So there's been a couple studies that show, I mean, there's the obvious ones like the World Health Organization just announced that the processed meat is linked to colon rectal cancer. | ||
| Okay, so processed meat being meat with chemical preservatives. | ||
| But it included bacon, ham, you know, all processed meat. | ||
| Processed with chemical preservatives. | ||
| And they put it in the same category as arsenic. | ||
| Yes, it's a carcinogenic. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In the exact same category as tobacco smoking. | ||
| And that was after thousands of studies, and that blew people away because they cannot believe they actually announced that. | ||
| It was one of the biggest things. | ||
| And then now all these other organizations, they're slowly, you know, kind of putting it in the back of their website, maybe mentioning it, maybe not. | ||
| So we're doing the same thing in this film is that we're interviewing these organizations and uncovering, and it's so crazy how it's like the exact same thing as cowspiracy. | ||
| But there have also been studies linking grass-fed beef to healthy fats and that it's actually healthy for you to eat grass-fed animals. | ||
| So I think what you're talking about is just preservatives. | ||
| So you're talking about chemically processed animals? | ||
| Unfortunately, no, because the World Health Organization showed that red meat, unprocessed, just raw red meat, is a type 2 carcinogen. | ||
| And how are they making that distinction? | ||
| Are they following people that ate a healthy diet, healthy vegetables along with red meat? | ||
| They'll do these huge, like the EPIC Health Study, which has followed 250,000 people for over the last 40 years. | ||
| And so there's these massive population studies. | ||
| But the studies, and that's something we go into in the film, because you can look at it and be like, hey, red meat causes heart disease. | ||
| And then you'll have another study that says, no, no, these meats are actually good for you. | ||
| And then you just look at the funding. | ||
| Well, who funded the studies? | ||
| And the studies who are saying that meat's bad for you are funded by universities. | ||
| And the studies are saying this stuff is good for you is funded by the industry. | ||
| I mean, like literally paid for by the American Beef Council. | ||
| And then, I mean, this film's crazy. | ||
| It's probably crazier in a way than Cal Spiracy. | ||
| Because we also add in the link that we didn't have to deal with in the first issue. | ||
| You're talking about like fear and stuff. | ||
| The pharmaceutical company, how they're tied into this trinity. | ||
| You have the animal agriculture industry, you have the lobby group, you have the government, you have the health organizations, then you have the pharmaceutical companies that profit off people getting sick from eating their products. | ||
| So you have this crazy thing. | ||
| So you're saying the pharmaceutical companies that profit off of people getting sick from eating meat support meat because they are aware, willingfully are aware that people are getting sick from them and they want to make sure that they have unhealthy people to treat. | ||
| I mean, look, you have a $2 trillion stint industry. | ||
| You have literally trillion-dollar industries who make drugs and who make surgeries. | ||
| They don't want that to go away. | ||
| They want that to continue. | ||
| But you really think they're actively trying to keep people unhealthy? | ||
| Yeah, how do you support it? | ||
| You know, again, it's about information. | ||
| It's about suppressing information. | ||
| It's about suppressing. | ||
| It's not wanting keeping people healthy. | ||
| Again, you look to these health organizations, that's what you look to to tell us the truth. | ||
| You look at the environmental groups, they're suppressing this information of the thousands of thousands of studies upon studies that have this information over and over, yet it's not being told to us. | ||
| Right, but the pharmaceutical companies, do they even have to suppress information? | ||
| Most people willfully ignore information. | ||
| So why would they go out of their way to suppress information when it doesn't seem like there's any sort of pressure or trend for people to get healthier? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, absolutely. | ||
| But it's pretty interesting when you follow, you look at these health organizations, you look at their donors. | ||
| Their biggest donors are pharmaceutical companies. | ||
| And then their second biggest donors are meat and dairy producers. | ||
| So do you think that that's to ensure that people stay ignorant? | ||
| I think that the simple fact. | ||
| If you have diabetes, type 2 diabetes, leading cause of type 2 diabetes is from eating animal proteins. | ||
| Yeah, but here's the problem with saying that. | ||
| They're eating other things as well. | ||
| And how are you monitoring these people's diets? | ||
| Are you making sure that you're watching what these people put in their body? | ||
| They're not putting in processed foods. | ||
| They're not putting in chemicals. | ||
| They're only eating meat and vegetables. | ||
| Okay, are they only eating meat? | ||
| Like, what the fuck are they eating? | ||
| How do you know? | ||
| So that's this awesome thing. | ||
| There's a study, NIH study, that looked at, follow people's diets for, I think, four years, huge group of people, and looked at just that. | ||
| You know, it's like, hey, what is the role? | ||
| What is the link? | ||
| Environmental, whether they live in cities. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| And so, you know, stress levels, all huge, huge, all the different aspects. | ||
| Then they took just animal products out. | ||
| They left them have their total shitty diets, just totally processed, crappy sugar food. | ||
| They monitor these people or they let these people report their diets? | ||
| There's a couple, there's at least five studies that have done similar sort of things, and I think some of them have been straight monitored. | ||
| And how many people were talking about in these studies? | ||
| Thousands and thousands. | ||
| Thousands of people that they made report their diet and then told them they couldn't eat meat, but they could eat shitty foods. | ||
| Yeah, they said it. | ||
| And they listened? | ||
| Well, I mean, as far as we know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know, totally. | ||
| I think high-level skepticism is totally needed. | ||
| You got a point, but when it's study after study after study, and there's this correlation. | ||
| See, I haven't seen study after study after study. | ||
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| That's the problem. | ||
| The film is these things are, you know, talking about digging deep and investigating. | ||
| But people have been eating meat forever. | ||
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| And so it's this link between carbohydrates and fat. | ||
| So you can eat a high-fat diet and low carbohydrates, and you won't necessarily develop diabetes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Ketogenic. | ||
| A ketogenic diet also prevents not diabetes, epilepsy. | ||
| That's a huge issue in children. | ||
| When they start giving them high-fat diets, they're finding that low-carbohydrate, high-fat diets that introduce a state of ketosis is actually very good at preventing symptoms of epilepsy in children. | ||
| My partner, she works with a young girl with epilepsy and she's on the ketogenic. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| But she's actually, she's raw vegan too, even, and still ketogenic. | ||
| So you can still get a lot of money. | ||
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A lot of avocado oil, peanut oil. | |
| But that doesn't necessarily protect you from heart disease, but diabetes. | ||
| So when you eat a high carbohydrate, high-fat diet, that's when you develop. | ||
| Now, what about sedentary lifestyle? | ||
| What about all the different factors that come into play with keeping a person's body healthy? | ||
| Like, I've heard that one of the primary factors in cardiovascular disease is sedentary lifestyle, is the fact that your body atrophies. | ||
| As much as your muscles atrophy and your back deteriorates, your heart does as well. | ||
| And that a lot of that could be mitigated with exercise. | ||
| And then one of the correlations that people are ignoring when they study diet and the diet in relationship to people's health is what are they doing with their body? | ||
| What is the physical daily activity level of their body? | ||
| And how much is that factored in? | ||
| Because you can't just factor in a person's diet. | ||
| Like your body is a machine. | ||
| Your body is this biological, diverse machine that is a whole ecosystem inside of it. | ||
| And if you don't stress it and if you don't force it to work, it gets weak. | ||
| It just does. | ||
| It just does. | ||
| If you don't demand resources, it will slowly deteriorate. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But we explore that too, you know, how much exercise has a role and it's huge, it's massive. | ||
| But you still have to clean your engine out. | ||
| You have to clean your pipes out, you know, and that's what it's doing. | ||
| It's pumping the engine. | ||
| But when you have clogged arteries, it comes to a point where it can be dangerous. | ||
| And if you just do a clean diet for even, you know, try 30 days or something, all that flushing out of you when you're sitting on the toilet for four or five times a day, or 10 times a day, it's just flushing all the shit inside of you. | ||
| And even if your ex starts exercising every time a day, that's trying to process this food that you're putting into it that it can't do just through exercise. | ||
| And there was a study. | ||
| But there's not food that's like laying inside your body. | ||
| That's a myth. | ||
| There's not like caked food inside of people's body. | ||
| That whole idea that every man has six pounds of undigested meat, you're dead if that's the case, by the way. | ||
| But you do have plaque building up in your eyes. | ||
| There's definitely plaque, but again, that speaks to a person's level of physical activity. | ||
| There's different nutritional demands for someone that has a rigorous physical activity schedule than someone who doesn't. | ||
| And when you give your body the same amount of food as someone who's like, say, a fucking sprinter or something like that, or a marathon runner, someone who's constantly burning off fuel, if you give your body, if you have a sedentary lifestyle in front of a computer sitting in a cubicle all day, and you give your body the same amount of food that the person who's a jogger consumes, you're going to get fat and fucked up because you're taking in too many calories and that's a contributor, a massive contributor to heart disease. | ||
| That has to be considered always when you're talking about what's going on with a person's body. | ||
| Then you've got biodiversity. | ||
| Like where are these people from? | ||
| Like what part of the world are their ancestors from? | ||
| Because your genetics have different biological requirements. | ||
| We go into genetics too. | ||
| We have a whole chapter on genetics. | ||
| Genetics was only as far as diseases, but as far as diet too, I mean, that's another subject that we get into. | ||
| So that's one of the aspects of it. | ||
| But going back to the lifestyle and exercise, there's a huge study that just came out. | ||
| It's 40,000 people in Sweden. | ||
| And they showed that having a being active versus the difference between someone who exercises all the time, who's overweight, and someone who's skinny, who's sedentary. | ||
| You're less likely to die from being sedentary and skinny than being overweight and active. | ||
| Well, that makes sense. | ||
| I mean, well, also, you're dealing with someone whose body has gotten to a point where it's deteriorated so poorly that the actual stress of exercise can be detrimental. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like, there's some people that they actually say, like, look, before you engage in any sort of exercise, you're going to have to lose weight. | ||
| You're going to have to change your diet and give your body a lot of nutrients. | ||
| Like, you have a really nutrient-deficient diet. | ||
| But, of course, osteoporosis, there's a lot of different diseases that people get from having nutrient-deficient diets. | ||
| It's a big contributor to it. | ||
| That's why when women have osteoporosis, they give them calcium. | ||
| So one of the things that mitigates it. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, so this new film goes into huge depth about it. | ||
| Similar to Cowspiracy, it's just packed full of information. | ||
| But my point about this disease thing, like saying that it causes cancer and all these things, it's not just trying to be skeptical just for no reason. | ||
| It's that what is stopping these people from eating nutrient-rich vegetables and really a broad variety of nutrient-rich foods as well as meat? | ||
| And if you did that, would that be bad for you? | ||
| If you had a rigorous exercise schedule and you took care of your body, drank a lot of water, and you ate nutrient-dense foods as well as meat, what kind of cancer are you getting there? | ||
| Because that's really how people are supposed to live. | ||
| Like, it's not necessarily that the only problem is that they're eating meat. | ||
| That may be a problem, but it may not be. | ||
| It may be a problem just because your body's just shit because you're not doing anything with it. | ||
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| I mean, it's definitely not something that film explores. | ||
| It's the associations too, these strong associations between certain types of foods and lifestyle. | ||
| So that's what the whole film's about. | ||
| It's what the health, because it's asking that question. | ||
| It's like, what the health is going on with our health in the United States? | ||
| Well, there's another study that came out recently that talked about living in urban environments. | ||
| It takes 10 years off your life. | ||
| Like, we're breathing in brake dust all the time and not even thinking about it. | ||
| Everybody's worried about carbon dioxide and the poison that comes out of exhaust engines, from engines. | ||
| But brake dust is fucking terrible for you. | ||
| It's a leading polluter of waterways and the stuff that washes off into the ocean. | ||
| There's something to be considered about that as well. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| There's so many stats. | ||
| We've been editing non-stop, so it's like running on three hours of sleep that I want to share about how just eating once a week when you already have cancer, was it diabetes, how just like once a week, how it raised a certain percentage of coming back again, just one time a week. | ||
| What do you mean by eating once a week a day? | ||
| So for example, like eating, if you have a woman who has had breast cancer, by eating one serving of whole dairy a day increases her chance of dying from breast cancer. | ||
| Okay, you weren't being clear. | ||
| I was unfortunate. | ||
| I understand what you're saying by once a week. | ||
| Or eating two servings of processed meat a day increases your chance of developing. | ||
| It's just, I mean, yeah, a day, though. | ||
| It increases your chance of dying from colorectal cancer by 40%. | ||
| I mean, just huge, huge correlations. | ||
| It's, you know, again, it's a huge, whole complex issue. | ||
| Just in the same way with cowspiracy. | ||
| When we went into doing cowspiracy, we went in, you know, just looking, looking at the information and just presenting it all and just finding out where's these studies coming from, what are their sources. | ||
| then we're doing the same thing with this film. | ||
| It's really shaping up to be, It's scary. | ||
| It's got comic aspects the same way cowspiracy does. | ||
| Super controversial. | ||
| And again, it doesn't tell people what to do. | ||
| It just provides the information. | ||
| It allows people to make up their own minds. | ||
| And you bring up great points, though, about exercise and all that other stuff. | ||
| Well, also in consuming nutrient-rich foods, like in saying that meat is the issue. | ||
| Well, no one dairy is. | ||
| Dairy is just not fucking good for you. | ||
| It tastes awesome, though. | ||
| Unfortunately, it's great with cookies. | ||
| But it's just not good for you. | ||
| It creates a lot of phlegm. | ||
| Raw milk is better than homogenized or pasteurized milk, but it's not the best shit for you. | ||
| But my point being, how can you isolate that it is the consumption of meat that causes cancer and not the lack of nutrients from nutrient-dense foods along with meat? | ||
| And is it an imbalance in the diet or is it meat causing cancer? | ||
| Well, it's kind of, that's what they do. | ||
| So that's a big part of it. | ||
| There's so much correlation to the tobacco industry that happened about 20 years ago to the meat and dairy industry. | ||
| Kind of like how Keegan was saying. | ||
| You see these other studies that you'll hear of, you know, the butter fat is good for you, the cholesterol is good for the brain, the brain, grain brain. | ||
| And then you see who it's funded and you look deep into it. | ||
| Is that where these studies come from and what the, you know, there's a movie out. | ||
| Have you seen Merchants of Doubt? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yeah, amazing. | ||
| And that's what's happening with this industry. | ||
| All you have to create is doubt. | ||
| Explain that movie if you want, because people might not have seen it, and it's really an important movie. | ||
| Yeah, so it basically explores, and that's a big part of this film. | ||
| It's happened in the tobacco industry. | ||
| You don't have to prove that cigarette smoking is going to kill it. | ||
| You just have to just put a little bit of doubt, just a little bit of doubt, and just like, remember when butter was on the cover of Time, and then everybody, oh my God, butter. | ||
| Or, you know, just recently about how lettuce or bacon was more, lettuce was more unsustainable than bacon. | ||
| And it's like, oh, God, thank God now I can eat bacon. | ||
| And just that little bit of doubt. | ||
| And if that's all you have, then boom, you got them. | ||
| So the tobacco industry did that for years and years. | ||
| And just like you're talking about, how do they know these studies? | ||
| Because there's thousands of studies and then there'll be one, two, three of these other ones. | ||
| And those one, two, three, oh my God, that's the one I want to see. | ||
| Well, they had hired these people to go on these shows and argue against the idea that tobacco smoke was cancerous. | ||
| And so they did it in such a boisterous, loud, robust way that people started believing them. | ||
| And now you have the paleo and the butter, the fat, how fat is good for you. | ||
| You have these very strong personalities that are. | ||
| Well, they were the same people, though, that were doing it about the environment. | ||
| That's what was confusing and scary. | ||
| These guys that were working for the tobacco companies initially then started doing it about issues with the environment. | ||
| And you realize that the same people, and you're like, what in the fuck? | ||
| Like, whoa, this is crazy. | ||
| And then you find out where they're getting paid. | ||
| You're like, this is so transparent. | ||
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| And then now it's the meat and dairy industry. | ||
| It's kind of like the last to fall of these. | ||
| And then that's when it comes down to, you know, where AWRC's getting funded and where that merchant of doubt, where are those guys working now? | ||
| Where's this industry where they're putting their specialties of marketing? | ||
| Well, a lot of it's going to one of the most, if not the most powerful industry in the entire planet, meat and dairy. | ||
| Well, I think we could all agree that as human beings, what we need for sure is access to information about things that affect us. | ||
| When it comes to health, and when it comes to diet, when it comes to, when you find out that studies, like I used to do this joke about, I'm sure you're aware that the partnership for a drug-free America was funded by alcohol and tobacco companies and pharmaceutical companies. | ||
| That's where they got all their money from. | ||
| And they would do these commercials against pot. | ||
| And I said, that's like hookers doing commercials against strippers. | ||
| It's the most ridiculous fucking shit ever. | ||
| But if you ever watch those preposterous commercials, like the girl with the talking dog, she comes home from school and her dog's telling her to stop getting high. | ||
| Like, that's funded by pill companies. | ||
| And the idea behind that, that that could be legal, that you can do that, and then you could put that commercial on television and not say, hey, the pill company, partnership for a drug-free America. | ||
| Like, what does that mean? | ||
| Drug companies stopping other business. | ||
| That's exactly what it is. | ||
| And we need information, and we need it to be really clear. | ||
| And if you are trying to stop information, like that stupid fucking part of the Patriot Act, if you're trying to stop information from getting to people, that is un-American, okay? | ||
| That is non-progressive. | ||
| That is something that we shouldn't allow in this age of information. | ||
| You can't stop information when it pertains to the health and the ethical considerations of an entire population of a country. | ||
| You just fucking can't. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And that's, again, what our whole mission is just providing information. | ||
| Like, people say, like, hey, don't tell people how to live their lives. | ||
| I'm full on. | ||
| Don't tell people how to live their lives. | ||
| Well, you didn't. | ||
| Yeah, the first way you get someone to put up a wall is tell them what to do. | ||
| Give them the information, allow people to make their own minds. | ||
| And that's exactly what we're seeing. | ||
| We're seeing people making massive lifestyle changes and political changes based off of our first film, Cal Spiracy. | ||
| And, you know, the potential, again, is there for any film to do that. | ||
| It's just give the information, unbiased, let people decide for themselves. | ||
| And that's where I'm super excited about the new film for that reason, that it's another chapter. | ||
| It's another window into a world that we haven't really gotten to see before. | ||
| Well, wherever there's money, right, you're going to have someone who's trying to make more of it and trying to stop any information that gets out that's going to prevent them from making more of it. | ||
| And money just sort of finds holes and cracks and leaks through. | ||
| And that's sort of, you know, like a river or something, you know, like streams of water. | ||
| It just finds a way through. | ||
| That's what's so cool, like at the end of the film, where we show that it was so dark in the making of the food, of actually making it. | ||
| We said, you know, let's look if there's a glimmer of hope. | ||
| And then we saw these, you know, these plant, what's it, Beyond Meat and the Beyond Egg. | ||
| And then we found out Bill Gates and the guys from Twitter, they're putting their money into these new plant-based foods because they see this as the future. | ||
| You know, these billionaires look five years, ten years down the road, and that's where they're putting their money. | ||
| So now the money is going there, not ethically, not even for the environment. | ||
| They're doing it because they see it's making money. | ||
| Now there's only a few plants that have a full amino acid profile, right? | ||
| There's only a few plants that are complete proteins. | ||
| It's like quinoa, hemp, and there's a few other ones. | ||
| Well, they all have complete, they all have all the amino acids. | ||
| It's just they have them at different levels. | ||
| So it's like, you know, you have your 23 amino acids, and they'll be high in six and low in, you know, the others. | ||
| But they don't all have the same amino acids that meat does. | ||
| No. | ||
| So they have all of them do? | ||
| Every plant that has protein, like broccoli has protein. | ||
| So broccoli has all the amino acids that a meat does? | ||
| As far as I know, yeah. | ||
| And so what it is, because there used to be that belief that you had to combine foods, and so it's like you had to eat brown rice and broccoli. | ||
| But the truth is that just eat a very diet and you get the exact levels that you need. | ||
| The belief in like that eating meat has the amino acids that are closest to our own proteins, well then logically we should eat human beings. | ||
| That would be the healthiest food to eat. | ||
| But that's not really the healthiest food for people. | ||
| Why would that be the case then? | ||
| Well, that's the whole basis of that. | ||
| Meat, that's where the amino acids are. | ||
| Right, but no one's arguing that, right? | ||
| What they're saying is that you should eat what we've eaten up until now. | ||
| Like all the thousands of years of human development we've developed specifically for certain diets. | ||
| That's why biodiversity, when you talk to people from different parts of the world, they might require different nutrients because their genetics have adapted to the nutrients that are in their environment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So no one's saying that you should eat people. | ||
| That's kind of a disingenuous argument, right? | ||
| Well, yeah, but I mean, but to say that we have to eat meat, because that's often the argument, is that, well, we have to eat these foods. | ||
| Well, they're saying, I think what they're trying to, sorry to interrupt you, but I think they're saying to optimize, to optimize your performance, your health, your vitality, that animal-based proteins are more efficient. | ||
| And that's the part our film goes into, like efficiency, efficiency in long-endurance athletes. | ||
| So you're talking about Scott Jurek, the biggest, longest, the most healthiest, long-endurance athlete right now, Scott Jurek, he's strictly on a plant-based diet because it's the most efficient form of converting. | ||
| Right, but you're talking about endurance athletes. | ||
| You're talking about skinny guys that run a long time. | ||
| You're not talking about explosive athletes. | ||
| If you looked at like mixed martial artists, for example, or boxers or explosive athletes that have to optimize the physical capacity of their body, there's very, very, very, very, very few that have vegan diets. | ||
| And few have tried it and they felt weak. | ||
| John Fitch was one of them. | ||
| John Fitch, who did it, I believe, for ethical reasons, also because he wanted to try to optimize his health. | ||
| He just found himself to be much weaker when he was on a vegan diet. | ||
| It's a big thing about that. | ||
| I mean, there's Mac Danzig. | ||
| He was, you know, vegan. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And again, Mac, who's a good fighter, never reached a championship level. | ||
| He was a very smart guy, very intelligent guy, and did it for all the right reasons, and a real environmentalist and a very aware guy. | ||
| Just a real brilliant guy all around. | ||
| But he never reached that championship potential that some feel that you need to eat animal-based protein. | ||
| It's just an argument for that. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's definitely an interesting argument. | ||
| I think the big part of it is that there's so few vegan athletes right now. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're right. | ||
| I think that is a big part of the population. | ||
| there's only 1% of vegans. | ||
| So, you know, if that percent, Right. | ||
| 0.01. | ||
| right, but out of elite athletes, what percentage of elite athletes are vegans? | ||
| We're actually looking into that because, you know, depending on what you're looking into, long endurance, like when Carl Lewis, when he was at his peak, he said he was completely vegan when he was at his peak. | ||
| But he was also on steroids. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| This helped. | ||
| I mean, you know, he was caught with something. | ||
| He was caught with some sort of a stimulant. | ||
| It was at the same time that Glenn Johnson was caught, or Ben Johnson rather. | ||
| You know, when Ben Johnson was caught with steroids, Carl Lewis was caught with something too. | ||
| And Carlos had been caught with other things before. | ||
| Like, you know, when I had Victor Conte in here, it was with the Balco guy, and he sort of explained all the different modalities and methods that these. | ||
| He's like, every track and field athlete's dirty. | ||
| He's like, they're all dirty. | ||
| And he was saying the same thing about Tour de France. | ||
| He's like, this idea that these guys are doing it clean, bullshit. | ||
| They're all dirty. | ||
| So when you say, these guys are doing amazing, they're on a plant-based diet, and EPO, and testosterone, and HGH, and blood doping, and everyone else's, too. | ||
| Yes, it's true. | ||
| One thing, the strongest guy in Germany, what's the Patrick Boo. | ||
| Patrick. | ||
| The strongest guy in Germany. | ||
| Yeah, he's one strong man. | ||
| He's stronger. | ||
| Oh, one of those barrel-tossing characters. | ||
| Yeah, world record holder. | ||
| He's the, yeah, has two Guinness Broad records for yokelifts and just super beast. | ||
| 100% vegan. | ||
| But, you know, I think that it's one aspect of it. | ||
| You know, as you're saying, like, we're machines. | ||
| So it's like, put the right fuel in the machine to run it. | ||
| I'm the wrong guy to have this conversation with you guys, honestly, because I just don't know enough. | ||
| And I would love to have some sort of someone who really understands human physiology. | ||
| That's why I don't want to throw out numbers because there's so much editing we're still going through. | ||
| It's just blowing our mind, though. | ||
| Someone from the paleo community that's really smart, like a Rob Wolfe guy would be a good guy to talk to you guys. | ||
| Well, and that's the other thing, too, is that I don't think we're even equipped to make the arguments because we're not doctors. | ||
| We're not scientists. | ||
| I mean, it's the same thing with cow spears. | ||
| People want to argue with us on statistics and say, hey, look, we're just reporting what other people have. | ||
| Well, who would be? | ||
| If I wanted to get two guys together, like a Rob Wolf and then a scientist who's supporting the vegan diet, who would those two be? | ||
| Garth Davis. | ||
| There's a few people who just go off on the whole paleo thing. | ||
| from a physiological level to, you know, to every single level of what paleo is actually really ate and what they were doing. | ||
| Well, that's, that's sort of that. | ||
| I think the problem is with the name paleo. | ||
| But the idea of people eating things that are easily digestible, that's normal food, like lettuces and grasses and vegetables and meats and chicken and fish. | ||
| That's what their idea is. | ||
| Garth Davis is a good one. | ||
| He's a character too. | ||
| That would be cool. | ||
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That would be cool. | |
| Okay, I'll write that guy. | ||
| Super funny. | ||
| I'll try to fly them both out. | ||
| We'll give you a contact if you want. | ||
| Because, you know, people always complain that I have these one-sided conversations with people like you guys, and I don't bring anybody in to, and then I'm stuck trying to do it myself, and I'm ill-equipped. | ||
| So Garth Davis. | ||
| But that's one of the cool things I think about your show is that you have super eclectic guests. | ||
| You have people from so many different spectrums. | ||
| I mean, again, from one end of hardcore paleo sort of folks to our friend Rich Roll, who says hi, by the way. | ||
| I love that dude. | ||
| Rich is awesome. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| Awesome guy. | ||
| Great, great guy. | ||
| Yeah, plant-based endurance athlete. | ||
| Well, I try to have an open mind. | ||
| As much as open as possible while trying to enjoy this experience. | ||
| Watch what's your health when it comes out. | ||
| What the health when it comes out. | ||
| Pitch man, look at you. | ||
| Definitely watch it. | ||
| Two hours of sleep. | ||
| We had a drive from San Francisco. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| Yeah, well, I'll definitely watch it. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I think you guys did a fantastic job with this documentary. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| And I think I hope that, you know, as I said, that I think information is the most important thing. | ||
| And when people are trying to deny information or restrict information based on the worry that they're going to lose money because they're doing something unethical, that should be a fucking crime. | ||
| It shouldn't be a crime that you film that. | ||
| That shouldn't be a crime. | ||
| It shouldn't be a crime that you show someone kicking a fucking cow or beating it over the head with a sledgehammer like we have seen if you watch those videos. | ||
| It shouldn't be a crime to film that. | ||
| It should be a crime to do that. | ||
| And it should be a crime to support that. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| It's against what people want in this day and age. | ||
| And I think the analogy of finding out that slaves make your genes is like, it really is. | ||
| I mean, it's probably worse because you're eating it. | ||
| It's a different thing because it's actually becoming a part of your body. | ||
| It's just as bad. | ||
| Or not worse, or whatever. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| Why am I quantifying? | ||
| Is there anything else you guys would like to say before we wrap this up? | ||
| Thanks so much for having us. | ||
| We really appreciate it. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| Encourage people to go to our website, cowspiracy.com. | ||
| Again, it has all the stats and statistics, has a link to where you can watch the film on Netflix. | ||
| We had a book that just came out called The Sustainability Secret that covers even more statistics and information and behind-the-scenes stuff that happened in the film. | ||
| You can get that through our website as well. | ||
| And then check out our new film, What the Health. | ||
| You can find that through our website, cowspiracy.com. | ||
| All right, folks. | ||
| Anything else? | ||
| Would you like to? | ||
| Just thank you very much. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| I appreciate you guys coming on. | ||
| And I really enjoyed your documentary. | ||
| So congratulations on an awesome job. | ||
| And What the Health? | ||
| I'll check that out too. | ||
| Thanks for watching. | ||
| Thanks, guys. | ||
| All right, folks. | ||
| That's it for this week. | ||
| We'll be back next week. | ||
| Lots of fun. | ||
| Enjoy your weekend. | ||
| See you soon. | ||
|
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Bye-bye. | |
| All right, you fucks. | ||
| I hope you enjoyed the shit out of that podcast. | ||
| I did. | ||
| I enjoyed talking to those guys. | ||
| And I appreciate them coming on. | ||
| I appreciate all of you fuckheads as well. | ||
| I say fuckheads. | ||
| With all love. | ||
| Nothing but love when I say fuckheads. | ||
| Thanks to Blue Apron. | ||
| Go to blueapron.com forward slash Rogan. | ||
| Try that shit out. | ||
| They're delicious. | ||
| They're good for you. | ||
| Thank you to Caveman Coffee. | ||
| Go to cavemancoffeeco.com. | ||
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Enjoy some motherfucking awesome coffee. | |
| They better not do a documentary about how coffee's bad. | ||
| I'll come to their house. | ||
| Pissing their cornflex. | ||
| Cavemancoffeeco.com. | ||
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| Use the code word Rogan and save 10% off any and all motherfucking supplements. | ||
| I'm having Mark Sisson from the Primal Blueprint. | ||
| Maybe he'll be able to shed some light. | ||
| He's on next week. | ||
| Hannibal. | ||
| Hannibal Burris. | ||
| He'll be on next week too. | ||
| Burras? | ||
| Burris? | ||
| Burris. | ||
| I said it wrong the first time, right? | ||
| Burras. | ||
| And that's it, you fucking animals. | ||
| See you soon. | ||
| Bye-bye. | ||
| Much love. | ||
| Here's a kiss for you. | ||
| Take a word in the face. | ||
| Love the shit out of you fucking people. | ||
| Keep it real and fresh. |
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