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Sept. 22, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #699 - Donald Cerrone
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bryan callen
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donald cerrone
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joe rogan
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justin wren
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joe rogan
Alright, we're live.
We've been talking about doing this for a while.
donald cerrone
We have.
unidentified
We have.
joe rogan
Glad we finally pulled it off.
donald cerrone
It's about time.
joe rogan
What are you doing in town?
donald cerrone
I came here and did a little surfing.
Started off the plane.
Then I had to do a UFC thing where I trained Blake Griffin this morning, this afternoon.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
I saw that picture.
donald cerrone
Yeah, so we were mixing it up, MMA. He was showing me how to dunk over a car and I was teaching him how to whip some ass.
joe rogan
When we see a guy like that that's like a giant athlete like that, don't you want to go, man?
donald cerrone
You have a fucking great radio voice.
I've never heard the radio voice.
The radio voice?
Your stand-up, you're fucking...
This is my conversation voice.
joe rogan
Well, if we were at dinner, I'd have the same voice.
donald cerrone
Okay, gotcha.
You're like, and next on the stage...
unidentified
Destiny coming to the main stage.
$14 kamikazes.
joe rogan
Nice and smooth.
When you see a dude like that, do you want to tell him, man, with that fucking body, you could be heavyweight champion in the world.
donald cerrone
That's what I was telling him.
I was like, you're huge.
Your drips, everything about you was just massive.
But, you know, when we were doing some under-overs and some wrestling, I think he was kind of like...
I feel like he was limping on me.
I was like, you little pussy fucking man.
You know what I mean?
Don't fucking big brother me right now.
Don't give me the, oh, I'm just a little kid.
Then once I fucking gave him that talk, then he stepped it up a little bit.
I was like, yeah, don't do that to me, motherfucker.
I'm a grown ass man.
I'm fucking six foot tall.
I'll fuck you up.
Don't limp arm me right now is how to tell him.
joe rogan
It's funny because you are six foot tall, but when you stand next to him, you're like, Jesus fucking Christ.
How tall is that dude?
donald cerrone
He's 6'10".
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
donald cerrone
6'10", man.
It was funny.
I was telling him how you're so coordinated on the court and then you put some fucking gloves on and you can't What the fuck?
One, two.
We were just going, like, come on.
joe rogan
It's a whole different thing, man.
donald cerrone
And then he had his management come up to me and tell me he doesn't want to knee or kick.
And so, of course, we fucking need a kick because you can't tell me what you can't do.
joe rogan
Does he have fucked up knees or something?
donald cerrone
Who knows?
I have no idea.
And he didn't want to be embarrassed.
Like, when you do something that you're not good at, you don't want to do it in front of people, especially cameras.
So he...
No, we did it.
joe rogan
A lot of those guys have fucked up knees, right?
donald cerrone
Yeah, a lot of our guys have fucked up knees.
joe rogan
There's the photo of you.
Yeah, there it is.
Everybody has fucked up knees, man.
donald cerrone
No biggie.
It's huge.
joe rogan
That's a giant dude.
Yeah, if you could teach that guy how to kick, Jesus Christ.
donald cerrone
Fucking knee.
I mean, the dude can dunk over a car.
So, like, jump knee.
It was fun.
joe rogan
Yeah, I can only imagine.
I can only imagine.
But those guys, there's so much more money in the NBA, and you don't have to get your ass kicked.
donald cerrone
That's what I told him.
I said, hey, man, I need you to go to the NBA. Yeah.
And tell them, you guys need enforcers like hockey.
I'll be your man, you know what I'm saying?
So you tell me you go out there and say, yo, cowboy fucking number 23 keeps hitting me in the ribs, you know, I don't like that.
And I'll go out there and I'll just ice the fool right there on the middle of the court.
joe rogan
It is weird that hockey is the only sport where you're allowed to beat people up in the middle of the game.
donald cerrone
Yeah, my buddy Scott Parker, I mean, he is the enforcer for the Colorado Abs.
Well, he's retired now, but I mean, that was his job.
So, you know, he would tell me he mentally had to prepare.
Him and I talk a lot about just the preparation of fighting and how he'd get game ready because he knew he was fighting whoever was the other enforcer, so he'd be ready.
And it's cool, like, interacting with him in that sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
donald cerrone
Yeah, they promote it like, oh, you're messing with my goalie, so they send out the enforcer?
joe rogan
It's because it's Canadian.
donald cerrone
What a cool job!
joe rogan
It's a great job.
donald cerrone
Fuck like, Joe, get him in here.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
It's just funny that any other sport, if you fight, you're not just ejected for the game, you're subject to penalties, you might get suspended.
In hockey, it's a normal thing.
donald cerrone
If, for instance, Blake just hauled off and jumped knee someone's whole face off in the middle of the game, that would be huge, and then they'd be in big trouble.
joe rogan
Do you think it's because hockey, like, they're not that stable because you're on skates?
Like, it takes a lot of fucking skate knowledge to be able to brawl while you're on skates.
I can barely fucking stand on skates.
I don't know how to ice skate.
I'm terrible at it.
donald cerrone
I did it about two years ago and thought it was cool.
Tried to do the hockey stop.
Fucking cocky head.
joe rogan
Bam!
donald cerrone
Apped out on the fucking ice.
That was the end of my hockey dream.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not a skater.
donald cerrone
I'm not a skater.
Yeah, I have no idea.
joe rogan
Well, I would imagine if you could teach a dude, like a dude who's like a figure skater, teach him some like real good kicks.
You could fuck somebody up, but you're not allowed to do that, right?
You can't just like figure skate, wheel kick someone's fucking head off.
donald cerrone
Juggler done?
I don't think they can raise either knee or anything.
They can't bring the skates off.
joe rogan
Keep your feet down.
What about a Superman punch?
Wouldn't be effective.
They wouldn't even know that you were throwing a kick.
donald cerrone
Unless you came at him like Thor in the movie, Troy, and just fucking iced him.
So, like a trick, like a trick?
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
Yeah, it would have to be something no one expected.
donald cerrone
Have to, yeah.
joe rogan
It is just weird that they don't have that in basketball.
If, like, basketball becomes less and less popular, maybe they would have to bring it in.
donald cerrone
So, did you know in hockey, the enforcers can't wear a face mask?
unidentified
Oh, really?
donald cerrone
They can only wear a helmet with no guard.
It's like a...
A penalty if they do.
joe rogan
That's interesting.
So they can't take punishment.
That makes sense.
It's like if one guy had it on and one guy didn't.
Exactly.
donald cerrone
So they could both not have it.
But still, they just grab and just throttle, punch through the plastic, and that's insane, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it is kind of insane.
donald cerrone
Insane.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a fucked up job.
That's a weird gray area sport, but I think a lot of it is also because it's Canadian.
Canada, there's more men up there.
donald cerrone
All right, I'll give you that.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
donald cerrone
Sure, sure.
joe rogan
It's like there's a lot of pussies in America.
I mean, there's a lot of men in America.
donald cerrone
A lot of pussies in America.
joe rogan
There's a lot of pussies, yeah.
And in Canada, I think fistfights are more a normal thing.
donald cerrone
Like, think about if we were back pre-biblical.
And we're in a...
Pre-biblical.
Jesus.
joe rogan
Okay, I'm gonna throw my head in there.
donald cerrone
You're wrapping around with this, right?
Pre-biblical.
joe rogan
Pre-biblical, okay.
donald cerrone
And all these pussies.
You think how many women us alpha mills would have?
We would just go and, like, I think I'm gonna take your girl and just beat his ass.
unidentified
And the problem with that is you could never fucking sleep.
joe rogan
Those days, man, like the Mongol days and shit, like, you never sleep.
You know, you would hear footsteps.
You're like, oh, fucking great.
You look out your window.
There's a thousand dudes on horses coming over the hill.
donald cerrone
Yeah, I wish a motherfucking would.
joe rogan
But those Wish I Motherfucker Would days, the Mongols, they're fucking just shooting arrows.
No one has a gun.
They're fucking launching people on catapults.
donald cerrone
Those kind of fights take a long time.
Maybe they just barely came with arrows.
Swords, definitely, but...
joe rogan
When did they figure out arrows?
Like all those, like the arrows are on the hieroglyphs, right?
So that's like 2000 BC, at least.
Because I think the pyramid is 2500 BC, I think they dated that.
So I think if you're talking about When was the invention of the fucking arrow?
I should probably know this.
I bow hunt.
I should know this.
But I have no idea.
donald cerrone
It was a long-ass time ago.
I have no idea.
joe rogan
It was a long-ass time ago.
Yeah, they figured out a few things first, right?
They figured out, like, spears, and then they figured out catapults, probably.
That was probably next.
donald cerrone
Bows and arrows.
Trebuchet, right?
What is that?
Isn't that a catapult?
Like a trebuchet?
joe rogan
That was called a trebuchet?
donald cerrone
Can you Google it?
Trebuchet?
joe rogan
Trebuchet.
donald cerrone
I'm saying it wrong.
Tre...
Trebuchet?
That was a fucking quick Google.
joe rogan
That's not bad.
Trebuchet.
That's the original catapult.
donald cerrone
You're fucking telling me I just scored?
unidentified
Goddamn, son.
donald cerrone
Look at you.
unidentified
Motherfucker what?
joe rogan
That's amazing.
donald cerrone
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's even spelled the way you pronounced it.
It's perfect.
donald cerrone
All loose-lipped like Trebuchet.
joe rogan
Trebuchet with a mouth full of skull.
What do you got there?
What is that stuff?
donald cerrone
Copenhagen Lawn Cut, Wintergreen.
joe rogan
Is that stuff dangerous for you?
Is that bad for you?
donald cerrone
Probably not any more dangerous than marijuana.
joe rogan
Marijuana's not dangerous for you at all.
How dare you, sir?
donald cerrone
I don't feel like that is either.
joe rogan
But that stuff does not, like, chew people's faces off and shit.
This is one dude who shows up at little kids' schools to warn them of the dangers of chewing tobacco and is missing half his face.
I remember that dude on TV. He had bone cancer in his face.
I don't mean to freak you out.
donald cerrone
No, you're not freaking me out.
I'm going out with my boots on, baby.
Wow.
joe rogan
So, face cancer from skull, you're good.
donald cerrone
Face cancer from skull, I'm going to call up Red Bull and tell him, hey, I'm going to be the first guy to jump out of the astronaut thing you got there.
I don't need to shoot.
I'm just going in head first.
So, bring it on.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
donald cerrone
That's my mentality, though, Joey.
Like, if I got in a car accident and lost a leg or an arm, I'd just, I'd tell them, pull the plug right there, shoot me.
I'm done.
joe rogan
One leg.
donald cerrone
Oh, man, it'd be tough.
It'd be tough.
joe rogan
They got some good prosthetics now.
A lot of these guys that come back from Iraq and Afghanistan, they do marathons now.
donald cerrone
Poor little pink tank.
joe rogan
It's incredible.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's incredible, though, isn't it?
donald cerrone
It really is, man, but goddammit, yeah.
unidentified
You were real close.
joe rogan
They sequenced the gene of the flatworm recently, and they're looking to try to figure out, because the flatworms can regenerate, like you cut them in half, they become two completely different flatworms.
I think they also have the same memories.
Like if one flatworm knows where the food is and you cut them in half, both halves know where the food is.
So it's very confusing to them because they're trying to figure out where memories are stored.
donald cerrone
But is that memories or is that just, you know, like years of...
joe rogan
It's a good question.
I think specifically what they know and the way they know it, they believe that it's a memory.
Some type of a memory.
Obviously a crude memory.
But they think that they're going to be able to figure out within the next hundred years how to replace limbs.
That you're going to be able to regenerate it the way a frog does or an alligator does.
donald cerrone
Think about that in the next hundred years.
Think about this iPhone 6 here in the next hundred years.
joe rogan
It's nothing.
Yeah, it's a joke.
donald cerrone
Do you remember the flip phone and the T9 texting?
joe rogan
You were so happy with it, too, back then.
donald cerrone
Speaking of that, do you know, I mean, you have kids, so do you remember when you were 15 or 16 and you had a call like, hey, Mr. Rogan, is Sarah there?
Can I, Dr. 9 o'clock, phone off.
You know what I mean?
Those days are gone.
Our kids will never have to know the stroke.
joe rogan
Unless you take their phone.
You'd have to take their phone.
donald cerrone
But do you even have a landline at home?
joe rogan
Yeah, I got a landline, but it's useless.
Never use it.
donald cerrone
Most people are like that, right?
joe rogan
I mean, you have a landline just like in case.
donald cerrone
I have a landline because I live in the middle of nowhere, and that's the only way I can get internet.
There's like a hamster that runs on a wheel, and every fast he's running...
It powers up my Wi-Fi, and it's terrible.
joe rogan
Oh, do you have one of those satellite connections?
donald cerrone
Is that what it is?
It's a phone line.
joe rogan
No!
donald cerrone
Oh, it's bad.
joe rogan
No, like 56k?
Like all those things?
donald cerrone
Yeah, it's like...
joe rogan
You can't do anything better?
donald cerrone
If I wanted to download a podcast, I'd have to start the download before I went to bed, and maybe by noon the next day it'll be done.
joe rogan
What?
donald cerrone
Yeah, I got like 48 hour download movie time, so I gotta really plan the movie I want for a flight.
Netflix is ridiculous to you.
Oh, Netflix?
No.
Cannot load a Netflix.
joe rogan
You know, they have satellite internet now.
donald cerrone
Not where I live.
joe rogan
No, but you can get it all over the country.
donald cerrone
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just like DirecTV.
They just point the dish at the satellite in the sky, and it's not fast as fiber optic, but it's pretty fast.
donald cerrone
I'm gonna need to look into this.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta get that.
donald cerrone
What I got going on is pre-biblical.
unidentified
That's no good.
joe rogan
Yeah, that sounds horrifying.
You're living like a couple of decades ago.
donald cerrone
Yeah, I am.
joe rogan
And there's nothing they can do?
They can't lay wires or anything like that?
No.
donald cerrone
They don't have it out there in my area yet.
I've tried.
I'm gonna look into that satellite gate.
joe rogan
Where are you at now?
donald cerrone
Edgewood, New Mexico, right on the backside of Santa Fe, Albuquerque.
joe rogan
And you're there because of Jackson's?
Because you could be close to Jackson's?
unidentified
That's why.
donald cerrone
Well, I moved to Albuquerque to help Linda Garcia with the Roger Ward to fight, and I never left.
I literally called my grandma.
Hi, Grandma.
She's watching right now live, so I'll give a shout out to my grandma.
I literally showed up for Lennar for a week, and then Greg asked me to be his 55er, and I never left.
I literally, I had a house in Colorado.
My grandma took care of everything, brought all my stuff down, and just drove, like would slowly come visit me and bring things down.
I never went home.
joe rogan
Wow.
donald cerrone
It was wild, yeah.
joe rogan
Why was that?
You just liked it so much there?
donald cerrone
You know, in Colorado, I was like kind of the At the gyms, I was kind of the kid that no one would put a name on.
Like, no one would claim me, right?
I was like...
joe rogan
Really?
donald cerrone
Oh, man.
It was a hard time, you know?
And that's where the whole BMF ranch and, like, me giving back to people came from because, oh, drive here, go here, do this.
No one would put their name on me.
Like, Dwayne, I trained with him, but he would never put his name on me.
You know, none of the gyms would, like, claim me.
I was just, well, I was a fuck-up, you know, and it was weird.
Was that what it was?
It was just your young, crazy?
It was probably me, crazy, yeah, you know.
joe rogan
And they were like, this dude, I can't have this guy fighting for me.
donald cerrone
Exactly, he's just, he's loose candy.
Too crazy.
Too crazy.
So I went on to Greg, he, like, took me in, and, like...
At that time, George and Keith Jardine and Rashad, it was like a family down there.
It was crazy, you know?
All of them were so welcoming.
So I said, this is it.
This is where I'm going to make my move.
joe rogan
And so you trained there, but you also built this crazy ranch, Bad Motherfucker Ranch, which is pretty awesome.
I love that you did that.
donald cerrone
I love it.
joe rogan
So what made you decide to do that?
donald cerrone
Well, I wanted a place where I could ride my four-wheeler, shoot my guns and all that.
So I looked at the city limits and land that I got in Edgewood...
To buy in Colorado would have been out of control, outrageous.
So, you know, I told my grandfather this is where I want to went.
My grandfather said, done.
I mean, on a phone call, my grandpa said, done.
Is this what you want?
Got it.
Drove down with cash in hand, bought me the property.
joe rogan
Really?
donald cerrone
Man, it was the greatest dude on the planet, man.
So, yeah, and I started training there, and him and my grandma would come down, and you're going to get me fucking teary-eyed now, but, you know, it just, it was like a dream for me, and So now I'm rooted.
And so...
Did you build out there?
joe rogan
Was there a structure already there?
donald cerrone
There was a house, right?
And we extended the house, built the gym.
Now I just built dorms, which if you're going to build anything, anyone listening, make sure you get your permits.
Because I, of course, didn't because I'm a fucking idiot, loser, and wild.
So I got a big red flag notice on my door.
I said, I need to get your permits done.
Got a picture here.
You want to see it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do want to see it.
So what do they do?
Does it delay you any further because of red flags?
donald cerrone
It's a cease and desist.
Don't...
joe rogan
Well, they don't want to...
Oh, Jesus, that is a red flag.
Yeah.
donald cerrone
Notice the stop work.
Notice the stop work.
Bam.
So I had to jump the hoops, you know, go...
Hire somebody?
No, I had to hire anyone.
I had to spend all day.
I had to go to the Santa Fe County and really, like...
Get everything in line, show my plans, blah, blah, blah, pay the money, and basically get the ball rolling for the permits.
I got it done now.
joe rogan
There's places out here, like if you want to build something in Malibu, near the ocean, it takes fucking years.
And you've got to go through all sorts of red tape, and there's corruption and nonsense you have to deal with.
donald cerrone
Exactly.
So I just built it, and I shouldn't have.
joe rogan
I have a buddy who lives in Topanga.
He's under the Coastal Commission.
And he just said, fuck it.
If they catch me, they catch me.
And he just did all this shit to his house.
Spent a fuckload of money on his house and just got away with it.
You can get away with it.
donald cerrone
You can.
joe rogan
You can also get busted.
donald cerrone
With fucking wires hanging out of your wall.
joe rogan
Stop work.
Get fined.
justin wren
And then never get permits for years.
donald cerrone
So I tried to let people learn from my mistakes.
I'm kind of the trial by fire.
That's kind of how I've lived my whole life.
joe rogan
So how many dorms did you build out there?
donald cerrone
Well, as of right now, it's a glorified horse stable.
So there's no dorms being built.
joe rogan
Because of the work or the stoppage.
donald cerrone
Stoppage, yeah.
joe rogan
So you have to wait until you get a permit again.
donald cerrone
Yeah, so now it's a horse stable.
Because there is a horse stable underneath, a giant horse stable, and then I built...
Rooms that I'm probably going to paint in, hold my archery gear in.
I got a whole bunch of beds that I need to store in a couple.
And I got guys that come out that I'll probably store in some of those rooms with the beds.
joe rogan
Do you think that this is like what's going to be your transition after you're done fighting?
That you'll eventually just run a camp?
donald cerrone
I don't know, Joe.
I just, you know, teaching to me.
Like if you and I were doing something, I could show you something you had a problem with.
But for me to like come in and teach a class would be really hard.
I don't know how that fucking even works like that.
What would be hard about it?
Maybe getting a curriculum or something that I thought out like, oh, okay, I'm going to teach this, this, and this today.
I don't know.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying.
Maybe if you had somebody that kind of organized it for you and you just came in or have guys like Henry or someone who's a coach already work with them.
Like Winklejohn and Jackson work together.
donald cerrone
Sure.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I mean, I have a great, you know, Jafari in Super D Wrestling.
One of my great friends and coaches, you know, he lives out there with me.
Helps me.
He trains all the guys.
And we got, you know, Henry training with the Thai guy.
So we have a good, you know, good stable of coaching and just bringing guys in, man.
Like I said earlier...
I didn't know I have any direction.
So now, when people come, I want to be the guy, like, they ask me, what do you do for sponsorship?
Well, now it's three bucks.
We don't have a fucking choice.
But before, I could be like, hey, these guys were no-go.
They didn't pay.
They didn't do this.
You know, just, like, experiences I've had through my career.
And what do you do for cutting weight?
What do you do for this?
What do you do for that?
It's just cool to be able to answer all the questions for the up-and-coming guys, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's got to be a cool thing to be able to help guys in a way that, like, you wish somebody had helped you, right?
Absolutely.
Because there's a real area in the beginning of a fighter's career, especially, where they don't feel legitimate.
And sometimes a guy like you taking him in and saying, hey man, like what you're doing with Felder.
donald cerrone
Right.
joe rogan
You know, a guy who's a real talented guy.
donald cerrone
Very talented kid, yes.
joe rogan
You take him in, and then, boom, all of a sudden he's legit as fuck.
That's what everybody's saying, too.
It's like everybody's saying, oh, he trains with Donald.
Oh, shit, okay.
You know?
donald cerrone
I mean, that's kind of, exactly.
There's a lot of guys that come to...
When you come, I want to be able to put my name on you, you know what I mean?
So work with you, train with you, have the coaches work with you, because when you say that you're from our stable, that's why I wanted to be a legit person.
joe rogan
How did you hook up with Henry Smith?
donald cerrone
Um, through Baltimore, man.
We just kind of crossed paths years ago.
Where'd he get the name Rude Boy?
What's that?
joe rogan
Rude Boy Muay Thai?
donald cerrone
I wish I had an answer for that, but I don't.
I don't know.
I don't have an answer.
joe rogan
I like that dude, though.
He's a great coach, too.
donald cerrone
Sure, sure, absolutely.
joe rogan
Very calm and smooth in the corner.
Like, you can tell a lot about a guy and how he gives instruction in a corner.
donald cerrone
Absolutely.
joe rogan
He's calm and smooth.
He's like, can I please get this?
Can I please get that?
Thank you very much.
But he also is very technical.
He's real technical in his instruction.
As a guy who watches a lot of fights, nothing drives me crazier than when someone doesn't have advice.
And they're like, go get him.
Go kick his ass.
donald cerrone
That'd be like me, cornering Leonard.
Fuck him up, Leonard!
joe rogan
But for Leonard, you in the corner, like, that is kind of technical advice.
You know, Leonard's one of my all-time favorite guys to watch.
donald cerrone
God damn it.
joe rogan
God damn that dude fought wild.
donald cerrone
He's a dying breed, man.
You know, the firefighter, a dying breed, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald cerrone
When Leonard was at his, you know, talking about retirement with me and everything, he's like, man, I just wish I could get a fight where someone would just stand there and fucking throw down with me.
And I'm like, Leonard, brother, those days are gone.
These guys are going to come in and take you down.
He's like, yeah, but...
No, I think this guy is going to stand up.
I'm like, no, Leonard, he's going to take you down.
So we'd have to go back and forth with that.
Then the kid would take him down because he hates wrestling and practicing wrestling.
But that's where the sport's going.
joe rogan
Well, the sport's going in this place where in order to win, you've got to be able to do everything.
It would be totally unpredictable.
And you've got to be able to fight smart and not put yourself in danger.
And Leonard was all about just throwing himself into danger.
donald cerrone
Peeling the stickers off the mats with the punches.
Right?
Yeah, he would throw it from the back of his calf.
Loved it.
I mean, but those are the fights you, I mean, the Jens Pulver and Leonard Garcia fight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald cerrone
Man!
unidentified
Wild.
Right?
joe rogan
Oh, Leonard had a bunch of wild ones.
He had a bunch of, like, when it was over, you're just like shaking your head like, God, what did I just see?
donald cerrone
So, the craziest thing, man, when I had the incident at Whole Foods, I don't know if you heard about it or not, when I got punched.
joe rogan
Yeah, somebody punched you, what, in the parking lot or something like that?
donald cerrone
Alright, so I'll get it out now.
So I'm walking across, texting on my phone, and a guy lays on the horn.
And my girl's like, who is that?
And I look up, I don't know.
She's like, you don't know him?
I said, no.
We walk to the car.
The car goes and parks like three spots down.
And the dude gets up.
He's like, what's up, motherfucker?
And I was like, like, me?
You're talking to me?
And he's like, yeah, bitch.
And I was like, okay.
And then you smoked me in my eye.
Blew my glasses on the floor.
Now, mind you, I'm still in trial for the boat rage incident thing that's going on.
joe rogan
Yeah, the boat one was you head kicked some dude, right?
unidentified
Allegedly.
joe rogan
Some dude got...
donald cerrone
I'll get to that story after the story.
So my girl looks at me and burning fucking fire is raging out of my ears, right?
And she goes...
unidentified
No.
donald cerrone
No.
Right?
So I tell this dude, like anybody would, today's your lucky day.
The dude's like, oh yeah, motherfucker.
joe rogan
I bet.
donald cerrone
Right?
And then he hocks up again to hit me again.
I said, motherfucker, if you touch me again, I'm going to kill you.
Like, I can't take two.
I cannot take two.
joe rogan
Right?
donald cerrone
Leonard's there.
Right?
And so Leonard goes to hit this dude, and then he's like all Bible...
Good.
Doesn't cuss.
And he's like, frick you!
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
donald cerrone
He's like, on this new...
unidentified
He's like, on this new...
donald cerrone
Boy, the fucking guy gets lucky.
unidentified
That guy got so lucky, he probably thinks he's such a badass.
donald cerrone
And we were in...
We just literally got training.
Done training.
So we're in, like, training gear.
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
We went to Whole Foods, get some shit to drink.
And so he's like, you want to be UFC fighters?
unidentified
What the...
joe rogan
Oh, that's so hilarious.
donald cerrone
Oh, my God, man.
So, uh...
I just got my car and drove away.
joe rogan
You don't know who that guy is.
donald cerrone
I have no clue.
joe rogan
Whoever you are, bitch.
donald cerrone
Whoever you are, bitch.
joe rogan
You got lucky as fuck.
donald cerrone
That was your lucky day.
Alright, so anyways, boat rage.
Boat rage.
This is what happened.
We're up at Grand Lake.
The reason I go to Grand Lake is it's freezing cold.
No one goes to Grand Lake to wakeboard because it's cold.
People don't like cold water.
Where's Grand Lake?
Colorado, up in the mountains.
Fucking super deep, freezing cold lake, but the water's beautiful.
So this guy lived there.
He's seen my boat.
And he told in the police station, he's seen us there the week before.
And he called it massaging and making love to my boat.
Because, yeah, it's an expensive boat.
I fucking take care of it.
Wax it.
Make sure it's clean.
joe rogan
He's upset that you take care of your boat?
donald cerrone
I guess.
That's what the police reporter said.
So he...
My buddy Mike, he's fishing off the back of my boat.
The guy comes in.
unidentified
Woo!
donald cerrone
Having fun.
He has like a Ski-Doo jet ski boat.
And he comes feet away and, like, sprays water up on Mike.
He washes my boat up onto the rocks.
Now, I got Cody Donovan, at the time, was fighting in the UFC. And three or four other fighters, nine of us.
There was nine of us who were camping out for the weekend.
And Cody's irate, like, fuck!
Let's go get him!
The girls settle us down.
We don't, right?
So later on, about an hour and a half later, we go out and go wakeboarding.
Well, with my boat, you've got to fill the ballast tanks up.
So you have to, like, kind of sit idle and let the tanks fill.
So while we're sitting there idling the tanks fill, he's down in the area.
So we're, like, sitting there letting the tanks fill.
He's, like, flexing his muscles from the shore.
He's saying, which one of you?
Because he wants something, bro.
Out of control.
So he gets in his boat and he comes flying up next to my boat.
Completely lets go of his steering wheel and runs to the front of his boat and his boat just goes bink and hits my boat.
And I'm like, oh my god, dude, what the fuck are you doing?
And he's like, which one of you pussies wants some shit?
Oh my god.
We were like, um, what?
So everyone bickering starts happening, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Anyways, the dude says, you know what, fuck it, I'm gonna run my boat into your boat.
He's like wasted drunk.
Tears off.
Flips a bitch and comes beadlining for my boat.
Now, had this not been the situation we were in, I would have congratulated this dude for the most epic fucking water spray I have ever seen thrown into another person's boat.
Because at the last second, he cuts and throws the most massive wave that just drenches everyone's phone and just hits you like a tidal wave.
And I was like...
Fucking pissed so I drive the boat to the shore and I get off the boat and I run about 200 yards down the shore trying to get him to come to me because my girl stood up and she's like that's fucking it and that's all I had to hear when I heard when she stood up and you know she's like that's it that's it you know what I'm saying that was it that was it that's all I needed to know okay that's it so I try to get this dude to run to me He does not.
He comes straight from my girl.
Gets off his boat, pointing his finger at her.
So I just walk right past, step in front of him.
I just front-teep him in his stomach, like set him down in the sand.
Like, chill the fuck out.
A lot of crazy gorilla pounding this dude in the sand is going through my mind.
unidentified
Right.
donald cerrone
I don't.
I was training myself.
And the dude gets up and tries to hit me with the old sneaker right hand.
Oh, God.
So I just slip.
And I head kick him lightly, Joe.
When I say lightly, it was very lightly.
Just like a boom.
And sit him down.
And I'm like, you motherfucker.
Don't even know what the fuck I said.
He won't get up.
Dude won't get up now.
So I literally sit down right next to him, like, you fucking...
I don't know what to do, and I want to just rip this dude's heart out, right?
unidentified
Right.
donald cerrone
But I start backhanding him, like, bah, bah!
While he's sitting next to him?
While he's sitting next to him, like, shoulder to shoulder.
joe rogan
What a weird scene!
donald cerrone
What a weird dude.
That's the only thing I can, in the fit of rage, I mean, I can think to do.
So Cody grabs me, you know, like, enough's enough.
And as soon as I do that, the kid rolls over, takes out his phone, takes a picture of me, takes a picture of my boat.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
donald cerrone
He dials 911. And I was like, good!
Call 911, you fucking idiot!
So the dude calls 911. I'll show up.
I said, yeah, this dude's drunk.
He says, man, I'm only drunk because this dude embarrassed me in front of all of my friends, so I had a drink to get over...
What had just happened.
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
How did you embarrass him?
By cleaning your boat?
donald cerrone
Oh no, because I head kicked him in front of his friends.
joe rogan
Oh, but before that, the massaging...
donald cerrone
Dude, so he had a lot of people with him.
He had like a big camp group.
So we go to court.
We fight.
It's like a two-year process I'm going through.
All the guys that he's with, their police statements match mine.
He was talking about us all day, two weeks.
He was chasing us down.
He wanted a piece of it.
So, I mean, it all got dropped and dismissed.
But he tried to come out to me for $50,000, and it was just unbelievable.
joe rogan
Well, it's amazing how nice you were about it.
A little front kick to the chest?
A little baby head kick?
donald cerrone
Yeah, exactly.
And what I just told you there is the same story his people told me.
I'm not exaggerating.
I didn't just haul off and beat him down, which I... I think I'm maturing in my...
unidentified
You are.
joe rogan
You are maturing.
donald cerrone
I am.
joe rogan
I've been meaning to tell you that.
It's just amazing how people will try to sue over things like that.
Like, that becomes like the lottery to them.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you know the two guys sued?
People always ask, like, hey man, can you take a picture choking me?
Like, the UFC doesn't want anybody choking anybody in pictures.
donald cerrone
I've been told that, so I tell them no.
joe rogan
Chuck Liddell and Matt Hughes were both sued.
The Matt Hughes story is kind of hilarious because the guy asked Matt Hughes to put him in a rear naked choke for a picture.
So Matt Hughes does.
And then the guy says, hey, look, I got evidence.
This guy choked me and he hurt me.
So he tries to sue.
Well, they do an investigation on the guy and find out the guy's a cop.
donald cerrone
Right.
joe rogan
And then they dig deeper and find out he's a dirty cop.
And the dude winds up getting popped and goes to jail.
Because of that.
And the Chuck Liddell one, I'm pretty sure Chuck had to wind up paying something.
donald cerrone
Chuck was one of the first ones.
Three times.
joe rogan
Three times.
donald cerrone
Three times I've been sued.
Damn.
My neighbor sued me.
joe rogan
For what?
donald cerrone
He said that my dogs attacked his horse.
joe rogan
Did they?
donald cerrone
No, absolutely not.
Somebody else's dog did, but I was his neighbor, so he said, mind the guy just moved in, and his horse ran through the fence.
Well, if you're any kind of a horse owner at all, you can't just move into somewhere and take the reins off your horse and let him go.
Well, he has no idea what the perimeter...
You need to take your horse out and walk the perimeter.
He lets his horse...
The horse runs through the fence.
He said to my dogs, chase him through the fence.
It was cheaper for me just to pay the guy off than to go to court and fight it.
Oh...
So, it's just unbelievable, man.
joe rogan
That kind of shit drives me fucking crazy.
donald cerrone
My old roommate, me and Leonard Garcia used to live in, we'd have guys come down for training camp.
This lady got us good, man.
When I bought this new house, we moved in, she then claimed, sued us that we were subleasing our rent out to our training partners.
joe rogan
What?
donald cerrone
$12,000 and I had to pay her.
What?
$12,000.
joe rogan
What does she give a fuck?
I don't understand it.
donald cerrone
She must have been hurting for money.
joe rogan
So, she was your old...
She owned the house at one point in time?
donald cerrone
Did you know who...
Ricky, he used to work for Jackson's...
Great Jackson's guy.
joe rogan
I probably would if I saw him.
donald cerrone
Yeah, anyway, so the lady's hurting for money, right?
She needs to...
She's renting her house, the house she's living in.
I get...
Ricky buys her house from her.
I tell her, hey, we'll move out now so you can move back into your house because you're foreclosing.
So we make this all work, right?
I work with the lady.
She's a realtor.
I use her as my realtor to buy my ranch.
That's how fucking crazy this gets.
Right?
So I use her.
We do this.
Soon as we get the paperwork done, she turns around and sues us for subleasing our rent out.
And my grandma's on and she can vouch for this.
Fucking crazy.
She said that the whole time we were there, we were having people come down to train and we were renting it out to them.
And making money off of her property.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
donald cerrone
And of course, I got the notices to go to court while I don't show up to court, so they passed the ruling and then...
So had I went to court, I probably could have fought it, but I didn't.
I was like, yeah, whatever.
joe rogan
But even if you do, it takes forever.
The problem with those things is, it's like these...
Do you know what a patent troll is?
unidentified
Mm-mm.
joe rogan
Patent trolls are...
They get patents on things.
They buy patents.
They own patents.
And then they'll sue a company like Apple.
They were going after podcasters for a while.
And what they do is they'll...
They went after Adam Carolla for something, some sort of patent, and they went after a few other people.
But Apple had to wind up paying like 7 million bucks or something like that.
Because for Apple, they have so much fucking money, it's easier for them to pay off a patent troll than it is to address it in court, spend all their resources.
The UFC is doing that antitrust lawsuit.
They're like, this is going to cost Give them a hundred million dollars in legal fees.
But it's either that or pay people off.
They'd rather spend the money.
They'd rather pay the legal fees.
unidentified
Yeah.
donald cerrone
Well, because principal for them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, principal and also sets a precedent.
donald cerrone
Sure.
joe rogan
If you start paying out, then other people start coming out of the woodwork.
But it's a weird world we live in where you could just sue over shit like that.
Alpha brain, son.
donald cerrone
Alpha brain, son.
joe rogan
It's good for you.
You got that big-ass Onnit package, right?
donald cerrone
God, I love it.
joe rogan
I love the picture you sent of you balancing the mace on your chin.
donald cerrone
20-pound mace, that's it.
joe rogan
How'd you do that, man?
donald cerrone
The balancing of the mace was good, but holding the kettlebell while doing it was suspect.
joe rogan
How the fuck did you pull that off?
donald cerrone
Because I'm a fucking super-athletic alpha fucking pimp.
unidentified
LAUGHTER Okay, that's a good answer.
donald cerrone
I mean, I don't know.
And when we were at Elevate, which is a strength conditioning, where you guys sent a whole bunch of those maces to, and they were like, you're going to fucking knock your teeth out.
And I was like, well, then I'll be a toothless motherfucker, but let's do this.
joe rogan
You're constantly doing shit like that, right?
Why not?
You're constantly wakeboarding, jumping snowmobiles over the top of cliffs.
donald cerrone
I can't wait.
El Nino, baby?
Come on!
Colorado's gonna be unreal this year.
I cannot wait.
joe rogan
Everybody's hoping for that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I don't know if that's real.
donald cerrone
I hope so.
joe rogan
They keep saying that the way the temperature of the water...
California's like desperately hoping for it.
donald cerrone
I was just surfing it with nothing this morning.
It was great.
joe rogan
Oh, it's warm as fuck.
donald cerrone
Warm, super warm, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, they have yellowtail.
They've had yellowtail all over the coast around Santa Monica and Malibu, which is, you know, usually you gotta go out to fucking Hawaii to get those.
donald cerrone
Sure, sure.
joe rogan
So, they're pretty excited about it.
People think that this is gonna change, but, you know...
Trying to guess what Mother Nature is going to do a few months from now.
donald cerrone
Unless you do the Farmer's Almac.
Then you can maybe key in a little bit.
joe rogan
How the fuck do those work?
donald cerrone
I have no idea.
joe rogan
I don't know either.
donald cerrone
I don't know either, but they are damn sure on.
joe rogan
They're damn sure on.
What kind of hocus pocus are they using to figure that out?
donald cerrone
Maybe the Mayan calendar.
I don't know.
joe rogan
That didn't work out, though.
We're still here three years later.
donald cerrone
We're fine.
Here we are.
joe rogan
I was convinced, dude.
Like, way back in 2006, I was like, December 21st, dude.
unidentified
It's done.
joe rogan
2012. It's all done.
donald cerrone
All done.
So were you on the computer during a crash at 2000?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, I was hiding.
Yeah, when 2000 came around, I was hiding.
I stayed at home, stockpiled water, the whole deal.
I was listening to Art Bell.
donald cerrone
I need to start stockpiling water.
I have stockpiled food, but I need to do the water.
joe rogan
Why don't you have a well?
You're on the middle of nowhere.
donald cerrone
But the problem is the wells suck.
unidentified
Well suck.
donald cerrone
Not that good?
joe rogan
I had a well in Colorado and it was really good.
donald cerrone
Well, for you, but if you have 20 people come to your house and take showers, they just can't keep up.
unidentified
And then you have water heaters and everything like that.
joe rogan
Well, you're out there.
Are you on solar?
donald cerrone
No, I wish.
I need to be.
I'm on propane.
joe rogan
Are you really?
Oh no, you have like a giant fucking white tank on those things?
donald cerrone
Three of them.
joe rogan
Oh fucking Christ.
donald cerrone
And if some asshole comes and trains at my house and forgets to turn the heater off in the gym, $1,500 overnight.
unidentified
Oh no!
donald cerrone
And then I come in the house fucking ripping and roaring.
unidentified
Who the fuck?
donald cerrone
And everyone's like, wouldn't me.
joe rogan
Of course.
$1,500 bucks to keep that.
Especially in the winter, right?
donald cerrone
And the funny thing is the propane company's like, oh, you don't want to pay?
We won't bring any more propane.
We don't give a shit.
unidentified
Oh, God.
So you have to.
donald cerrone
You got to keep warm.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck that, dude.
You should have a fireplace in that gym.
unidentified
Right.
donald cerrone
Who's going to stoke it?
Today you're the stalker.
Go split the wood and stalk fireflies.
Do you have wood out there?
joe rogan
Do you have forest?
donald cerrone
No, no forest.
joe rogan
We've got cacti.
Cacti?
Can you cook cacti in a fucking...
Not really, right?
donald cerrone
No, but we goddamn wonder if you can get some peyote out of it.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, you'd have to have a very specific cactus.
donald cerrone
Because we are.
We are.
We are.
San Pedro.
Is that what it is?
You know, I have no idea, but we're in the...
That's where they do it in Young Guns.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, not only that...
donald cerrone
Tent Rock, where they film, You're in the Spirit Road, asshole!
That's miles down the road from me.
joe rogan
That is where.
Yeah, Tent Rock.
Yeah, that's where they...
You know, they only were doing that for the last couple hundred years.
Like, everybody thinks that that was, like, thousands of years old.
No evidence.
No evidence that the Native Americans were using Palety more than a couple hundred years.
But, um...
donald cerrone
How did they...
Okay, marijuana, peyote, what are they like, let's just smoke this shit up?
How does that, who's the guinea pig on that?
joe rogan
It's a good question.
donald cerrone
Like, peyote, like, oh, let's just boil some cactus and oops, now I'm fucking tripping, so that was cool.
joe rogan
This is a real good question.
There's a lot of those things out there that, like, how the fuck did they ever figure that out?
donald cerrone
Meth, like, oh, battery acid, and, like, cool, let's fucking smoke this.
unidentified
Tylenol and shit.
Yeah, gross.
joe rogan
Kick cold medicine.
donald cerrone
All you meth users out there, Ixnay, boys, yucky.
joe rogan
Well, there's very few good cooks.
That's why, you know, Breaking Bad made a lot of sense.
You know, you need a real fucking chemist.
donald cerrone
You need a chemist.
joe rogan
But, like, the ayahuasca one is a crazy one.
They've been using that for, like, 10,000 years.
You've got to take the leaves of one plant and the vine.
donald cerrone
Is that what your buddy does?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And they boil it down.
It's DMT in a drinkable form, because otherwise DMT, the only way you can take it is you have to extract it and smoke it.
donald cerrone
I've experienced DMT in real life.
joe rogan
Yeah?
donald cerrone
I don't want to have my accident.
One night my guts were hanging out of me.
What happened with your guts?
So that's where I got this giant scar.
joe rogan
What is that?
donald cerrone
I wrecked a four-wheeler.
Yeah?
Broke all my ribs.
Anyway, I was in the hospital.
I took the flight for life to the hospital and I remember laying there and Laying in the gurney had me strapped down because I was a fucking lunatic and I remember tipping the gurney over and I had to throw up and I threw up blood all over this poor nurse and she like did this little weird oh god I just got blood thrown up on me action and then I remember they set me back up and it was like the most peaceful feeling like everything was just okay like no pain Fucking,
like, dying was okay, as stupid as that sounds, and crazy, like, it was just, it was just okay.
I felt the best I ever felt in my life.
joe rogan
Wow.
donald cerrone
It was, like, supernatural, man.
It was crazy.
Like, I was in so much pain, like...
So I'm in the goddamn ambulance.
They're taking me and there's a new guy in there.
So my lungs are punctured.
So they have this huge needle.
And the guy's telling the other guy how to fucking...
Because I guess you puncture your lung and then your air comes back, right?
And the guy's like walking the new guy through.
And I was like, fuck no!
I'm like...
I can't really say fuck no, but yeah, I was like, no, you do it!
joe rogan
Don't get the new guy to work on my lungs.
donald cerrone
Not today, not today, motherfucker!
So, but anyway, I tipped the gurney over, so much pain, and they write me back up, and everything was just okay.
It went like this crystal-y blue haze, and I woke up...
Like two weeks later, strangling my grandma.
joe rogan
Two weeks later?
donald cerrone
So you were in a coma?
Yeah, well, I was like a medical-induced...
Wow.
Maybe not two weeks.
joe rogan
How old were you when this happened?
donald cerrone
It was 2006. June something of 2006. My grandma was...
Yeah, and I remember...
joe rogan
So you were already fighting in the WEC at this time?
Were you?
donald cerrone
When did you start fighting?
joe rogan
2009?
donald cerrone
So, talk about me doing crazy shit that I probably shouldn't because I get hurt and I don't want to be able to fight.
I did this giant kickboxing and won a world title and I won a spot to go fight in front of the king of Thailand.
And I was supposed to leave that weekend that I went out racing motocross.
joe rogan
Wow.
donald cerrone
We'll miss that fucking boat, but hey.
joe rogan
Well, that boat is not very, there's not a lot of money in fighting for the king of Thailand anyway.
donald cerrone
No, but I mean, so the kickball, the only reason I got into fighting was because, A, I love, it was like my favorite thing to do and the whole world still is, but I would just see the world.
They'd call me, and I was the guy they would call.
You know, everyone talks about taking short notice.
I was like, Calbee, you're crazy.
Like, man, I used to take fights on three days, and I'm taking them on four weeks now.
I'm fucking good.
So they'd call me.
I was their guy.
They'd call and be like, hey, we need you in Japan.
It's Wednesday.
We need you there Saturday.
And I'm like, cool, let's go.
And I'd go, and fucking me and my buddy Mike Baldwin, who's like my best friend still to this day, who comes to everyone in my fights, would get off the plane, hit Roppongi.
I don't know if he...
Roppongi is like...
Yeah, the party.
I remember sometimes I was so hungover for weigh-ins that I'm trying to drink Gatorades and recoup my brain just to weigh in.
Just to square up, just to weigh in.
That's hilarious.
Fighting, which is something I did to pay for my trip To go see the world.
joe rogan
Right, right.
donald cerrone
So fun.
Those days were...
I mean, I still live them today.
You know, fighting me...
People make such a big deal.
I see, like, Felder's a perfect example, man.
They take it so serious.
Fighting is not that serious.
joe rogan
Felder takes it too seriously?
donald cerrone
Too serious, man.
That's one thing I try and teach these guys.
unidentified
Like, man, you drink beer, you fucking alcoholic, you piece of shit.
donald cerrone
That's what I hear all the time.
Yeah, so what?
I drink beer.
I like to drink beer.
Cold, refreshing Budweiser.
unidentified
See that?
donald cerrone
You got that, man?
I like to drink beer.
I like to have a good time, but...
People quit their life.
Eight weeks.
They're like, can't eat that.
Can't do this.
Can't go out.
I have this huge fight in my life.
How is it the biggest fight of your life?
I mean, it's the same like this Dos Anjos fight coming up January or December 19th, Orlando, Florida.
World title.
Biggest fight of my life.
Goddamn right.
I'm going to drink beer and fucking have a good time and probably get there 10 days early and go wakeboarding.
Really?
Oh my god, why not?
joe rogan
So you're just going to treat it like it's any other part of your life?
donald cerrone
Yeah, because back in the day when I used to fight, he'd be on two, three days' notice.
I had nothing to worry about.
unidentified
It's just a fight.
donald cerrone
I love it.
joe rogan
But would you worry about an incident happening, like the incident that kept you from going and fighting for the king of Thailand?
I mean, that's...
That's the real, I mean, the big thing is to win the title, right?
Most guys, when they get to your position, they kind of start playing it safe.
That's the difference between you and a lot of these guys.
Because a lot of guys are wild in the beginning, but then somewhere along the line, they start realizing the consequences and the stakes, and they start playing it safe.
donald cerrone
Yeah, I just thought I'd play it safe kind of guy.
Yeah, I could go wakeboarding the week of the fight and blow my knee out.
Sure.
I'll probably still fight.
joe rogan
With a blown knee.
donald cerrone
Sure.
joe rogan
Just tape that bitch up.
donald cerrone
Tape it up.
joe rogan
See what's up.
donald cerrone
Just a couple shots of Jack.
Get it going, man.
joe rogan
A couple shots of Jack.
donald cerrone
I was thinking of cortisone.
joe rogan
Well, there's all sorts of shit that they can do now to sort of help you a little bit, short term.
donald cerrone
Sure, sure.
joe rogan
Blown out knee's never a good time.
donald cerrone
No, no, I mean...
I've had a couple of blown on my knees.
joe rogan
Have you had any surgeries other than the stomach?
donald cerrone
No, no surgeries.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
In fact, before my last fight, I was supposed to get an MRI on my knees and I had an MRI on my chest because my fucking ribs were so separated and I made it very crystal clear to the UFC, I will go get this MRI. But regardless of the outcome, if it comes, I'm still fighting.
Is that okay with you guys?
And they said yes, so I was like, fine.
joe rogan
They wanted you to get an MRI? Yeah, you wanted to get it.
donald cerrone
They wanted me to.
joe rogan
They wanted you to get it.
So, you were complaining of some pain, maybe, or you were realizing there was something wrong?
donald cerrone
Yeah, I had, like, my chest was super separated.
Like, I couldn't even take a break, just pop, pop, pop, like, my solar plexus.
So, uh...
I went to Dallas and I went and trained with some kids in a gym and a dude threw a knee with no shin pad and just crushed me in my solar plex and separated it bad.
joe rogan
What fight was this for?
donald cerrone
The Mideski fight.
joe rogan
Really?
donald cerrone
Yeah, the last fight.
joe rogan
Damn.
donald cerrone
The one that was supposed to be with Khabib that he pulled out for the third fucking time.
joe rogan
That guy gets hurt a lot.
donald cerrone
His knees are all fucked up.
Fucked up.
joe rogan
A lot of those guys that are fucking...
Like Kane.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
A lot of those fucking guys are super strong mentally, just ridiculously aggressive.
Those guys wind up blowing shit out.
Like Kane's blowing out his knee.
He's blowing out his shoulder.
Both shoulders had surgeries on him.
unidentified
Fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, that style of fighting, especially that intense grappling style.
Like, there's way less injuries in kickboxing and in stand-up striking, like boxing.
How many fucking fights get cancelled in boxing?
It's rare as fuck, right?
donald cerrone
Very rare.
joe rogan
Very rare.
donald cerrone
How many fights has Mayweather said, oh, I can't pull, yeah.
joe rogan
Almost, I don't know, I can't remember a big fight ever.
I mean, it would have to be something severe.
And usually it's like during strength and conditioning training or something.
Or running or something, maybe.
But it's very rare that someone pulls out of a box.
Or they'd have to break their hand or something like that.
But it's rare.
But in MMA? God damn, it's common as fuck.
donald cerrone
Well, there's so many weird scrambling situations that you get involved in.
You bring in guys to train with and sometimes those guys...
joe rogan
That's the other thing, what you just said, the bringing in guys to train with.
Man, I think that is one of the biggest mistakes that guys make is that these young guys that they bring into camp, they don't even know these guys.
These guys try to make a name.
donald cerrone
If you brought me in to train with you, Joe...
I'm fucking you up.
joe rogan
Right, yeah, you want to.
donald cerrone
I'm not gonna let you beat me down.
joe rogan
Especially if you're coming into a champ's camp or a guy who's a high-level guy who's well-respected, they want to say, dude, Donald Cerrone came into blah blah blah's camp and fucked him up.
Oh shit, really?
I mean, that's what happens.
You gotta have your friends.
donald cerrone
You gotta have your friends.
joe rogan
A lot of guys do it the right way.
Like, what you're doing at the bad motherfucker ranch.
All those guys are family, right?
donald cerrone
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaking of family, like Felder, people are like, Cali, you want him to lose.
Like, the fuck I do?
What does him losing do to me?
joe rogan
You can't respond to those people.
donald cerrone
God, the fuck.
I live in 6th Colma Lane, Edgewood, New Mexico.
Any of you motherfuckers want to come?
joe rogan
You can't.
unidentified
You can't.
donald cerrone
You can't get involved.
joe rogan
What that is, you're opening yourself up to the retards of the world.
donald cerrone
Oh, my God, bro.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald cerrone
And, you know, at your stand-up, you talk about the people that comment on a YouTube video.
Yeah.
Those...
I feel the same.
When people say dumb shit to me, I'm like, you are a YouTube commenter.
joe rogan
Well, they could be children, you know?
It could be young kids, or it could be morons.
donald cerrone
I'll post a picture of something, like surfing, and people are like, Connor's gonna kill you!
Well, bitch, first of all, he's a 45er.
Okay, you know, I want to just get on there and say all kinds of shit, and it's just like, oh my god!
joe rogan
You gotta pick who you communicate with.
Like, say, look, you and I know each other.
This is Jamie.
Jamie's a good dude.
If you want to have a conversation with Jamie, he's not going to say anything retarded, but he's right there in front of you.
Now, if we were just random people talking around, you never know.
You might run into a good dude like Jamie, or you might run into some complete fucking idiot that you would never talk to in real life.
But in text, they all look the same.
They all look the same.
It all looks the same.
A guy can say some shit in a full sentence and pretend that he has a point.
Goddammit, I'm going to start drinking too.
donald cerrone
Alright.
joe rogan
We're going to have to...
I'm getting fired up now.
donald cerrone
Are you cracking open a nice, cold, refreshing Budweiser?
joe rogan
I am.
I am, Donald Cerrone.
American Budweiser.
I just don't think it's wise to communicate with people that are just insulting online.
I don't ever go back and forth.
I used to.
Do you know how many...
donald cerrone
Why do you drink that fucking piss water disgusting beer?
Comments I get.
joe rogan
It's not bad.
Budweiser's not bad.
donald cerrone
People are assholes.
And then I reach back and be like, oh yeah.
They pay me every month to drink that fucking ice cold Budweiser.
unidentified
I like Budweiser.
donald cerrone
I love it.
joe rogan
I like all kinds of different beers.
donald cerrone
I used to be a Bud-like guy, but now I'm a Bud-heavy.
unidentified
That's ridiculous.
donald cerrone
I'm a Bud-heavy.
joe rogan
I'm more of a Bud-heavy guy, but I like a Sam Adams, I like a Guinness, I like a dark beer, but I like a Budweiser too.
It's like, I like water, and occasionally I like whiskey.
donald cerrone
So you talk about Guinness dark beer, you ever heard of Snakebite?
joe rogan
Snakebite?
donald cerrone
No.
So, Snakebite is Guinness, half Guinness, and then half like an apple lager.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
Oh, that's nice.
donald cerrone
Snakebite, baby.
joe rogan
No, what's that shit that we drink?
Black Butte Porter?
That shit's good.
Got this dark beer, this dark black...
Who makes that?
Black Butte?
Who's the company that makes that?
unidentified
Google.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Deschutes Brewery.
donald cerrone
How awesome is Google now?
Because no one can bullshit.
You could have told me 20 years ago, you're the best wrestler in the world, and I'd be like, oh, you are?
joe rogan
I know, man.
donald cerrone
Wow.
You won state seven times in a row and took worlds?
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
How many martial arts guys?
Now I'm just like, uh...
unidentified
No, you didn't.
donald cerrone
Actually, you've never even wrestled.
joe rogan
How many martial arts guys were like that, though?
donald cerrone
All the ones that wore the Rex Kondo fucking badass pants.
joe rogan
The Rex Kondo fucking American flag pants?
American flag pants are the shit.
Yeah, it used to be there was a bunch of guys that claimed to be in...
Did you ever know who Rafael Torre is?
You ever hear about that guy?
donald cerrone
No.
joe rogan
He was a guy who was a writer for one of those online magazines.
I think Abu Dhabi News hired him.
And he turned out to be a fake black belt.
And wound up killing the guy.
Wound up killing, like, he was dating a girl.
And she was married to some dude.
Killed a dude for the insurance money.
Got busted.
The whole deal.
Craziness, right?
In jail now for murder.
But before that...
He was claiming to be a black belt, but he set off a bunch of alarms, like he would go off to Thailand to have these fucking no-holds-barred fights and come back, and yeah, I got him in a twister in the first round, and everybody was like, you just learned that last week.
It was real weird, but one of the things he did that was hilarious is, this dude claimed to be in a no-rules kumite in the woods, so he had his friend drop him off.
He brought a big-ass duffel bag, right?
Right.
He had his friend drop him off.
He's like, drop me off and come back again and get me in a couple days, right?
So his friend drops him off.
He goes off into the woods.
And his friend comes back in a couple days.
Now he's got a trophy.
No more fucking duffel bag.
The trophy's the same size as the duffel bag.
Dude comes back without a scratch on him.
donald cerrone
It leaves the camping gear.
joe rogan
I mean, but that's the kind of shit that people did, you know?
People who were retarded, they really would pretend that they were involved in these no-holds-barred contests, and they were 150-0.
donald cerrone
Right.
joe rogan
Like, remember the early days, like, Hicks and Gracie, they would say 400-0?
donald cerrone
Sure, sure.
joe rogan
You imagine if you had 400 fucking fights?
Goddamn, you gotta fight a lot.
You have to fight, like, every couple days for years.
donald cerrone
Sounds like my high school days.
joe rogan
You'd have to win all of them, too.
donald cerrone
That I did not.
That I did not.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, those are important.
The losses are some of the most important ones, right?
Those are the ones that really make you get back and fucking dig in.
donald cerrone
They burn you.
burn your soul yeah absolutely absolutely absolutely to this day are there any losses that that just fucking that when you get up in the morning you think about that one and it makes you just want to go running You know, more or less the guys that talk about the Diaz fight tell me all the time, Diaz will beat your ass.
Nick, the Diaz brothers have...
The most incredible following.
Almost as incredible as the Conor McGregor following.
The Colts.
It is unbelievable.
So they tell me all the time, you'll beat your ass again.
Like, alright, well, bring his ass on because I'm ready.
Whatever.
joe rogan
Well, you fought Nate, right?
And the Nate Diaz fight, like, it seemed like you were having a hard time in the first round.
Like, you had a hard time getting started.
Like, that was a fight where, like, that dude talked a lot of shit to you.
donald cerrone
Your boy Callan.
joe rogan
And it seems, is he contacting you?
donald cerrone
He just said he's still there.
I told him, come crash this motherfucker.
joe rogan
Where is he?
donald cerrone
I don't know.
joe rogan
Oh, he's texting you right now?
donald cerrone
Yeah.
Um, yeah, I was, well, you were, I'm not making me, yeah, I'm not making, he got in my head, and he got me, yeah, absolutely, and that shit doesn't happen no more.
No, everyone tells me, Croner's in your head, Dos Anos, no, the fuck they're not.
joe rogan
So that was a lesson for you?
donald cerrone
A super lesson, man, yeah, don't, don't.
So let's take it back.
You're talking about Rex Kondo, this guy, right?
You see all the movies that people said, don't fight out of anger.
joe rogan
Right, right.
donald cerrone
They say that for a reason.
So when I fight out of anger, I was just...
I don't know what the fuck I was doing.
I was just...
I sucked that night, and that's all there is to it.
No excuses.
The motherfucker beat me.
joe rogan
Did you just get caught up in it?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Caught up in the emotions of all the shit he talked to?
He knocked your fucking hat off, dude.
donald cerrone
Oh, God.
joe rogan
How dare he?
donald cerrone
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nate Diaz can talk some shit, I'll tell you what.
donald cerrone
You know what, but I... As much as he talked, I... I like those guys.
joe rogan
I like them too.
donald cerrone
I really do.
I mean, because there is no front on them at all.
What you see is what you like.
If I were to run into the Diaz brothers out in the street, we are fucking throwing down.
And there's no question.
I mean, that's just who they are.
So it's not like they put on this front, this persona that they're big.
No.
That's who they are.
joe rogan
24-7.
donald cerrone
24-7.
And it's awesome to me.
Right.
Both of them.
I got nothing but respect for both of them.
joe rogan
So when you guys are all retired, you'll have a drink together and be laughing about it?
unidentified
Absolutely.
donald cerrone
I'd have a drink with them now.
I don't have any animosity or any anger or hate towards either one of them.
I would definitely hang out with both of them, you know?
And it sucks that fucking, you know, Nick is in trouble with this whole marijuana thing.
This thing is awful.
joe rogan
It's awful and it just shows how bad the Nevada State Athletic Commission is.
And they were angry because he took the fifth because he didn't want to talk about it.
The fucking guy passed two world anti-doping agency tests.
Two water tests that are blood tests.
They're way more accurate than the fucking urine test that Nevada State Athletic Commission gave them with Quest Diagnostics, you know?
And nothing against Quest Diagnostics, but that method of testing is not as accurate.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So the dude was within the realm.
I mean, he was legal.
He passed.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
And they're stealing money from him, and they're suspending him for five years.
They're a fucking kangaroo court.
donald cerrone
That's what they are.
Five years.
joe rogan
It's ridiculous.
donald cerrone
At any job.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald cerrone
I mean, if I said, Joe, you're off the air for five years, you're fucking ruined, man.
I mean, you're irrelevant after almost a year in our sport.
joe rogan
People don't forget about you.
donald cerrone
Yeah, almost.
If you're not, I mean, he is one of the names in the sport, absolutely, but I mean, five years, he's getting older and older and older.
joe rogan
I think he's like 33 or 34. How old is Nick now?
Hold on.
I want to say he's 32 at least, right?
So, five years, he's fucking 37, and he's not doing any TRT. He's not doing shit.
donald cerrone
Sure.
God bless him, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, God bless him.
He's 32. Yeah, I was right.
So five years from now, it's over, man.
donald cerrone
Dude.
joe rogan
When we were kids, when a boxer like hit his 30s, you're like, oh, he's 32, 33. It's almost over.
We knew it was almost over.
donald cerrone
Sure.
joe rogan
But then the age of TRT came along, especially with MMA, things got real weird.
donald cerrone
Sure.
joe rogan
Things got real strange.
Like you started to see guys like 36, 37, like Vitor, having the fucking fights of his career, the best fights ever.
You know, and these guys, the Diaz brothers, one thing you've got to say about them is these fucking dudes take care of their bodies.
donald cerrone
Yes.
joe rogan
They eat healthy as fuck.
Nick's always eating all organic food.
He eats real healthy.
He's constantly in shape, constantly running.
If this guy's smoking pot...
He's not doing mess.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, he's taking care of his body.
donald cerrone
Absolutely.
joe rogan
It's not like he's doing steroids.
It's not like he's doing something that's making him freakishly fast or ridiculously strong.
donald cerrone
It's actually the complete opposite.
joe rogan
Yeah, the whole thing is so frustrating, man, that these clowns have any power over people like you.
It drives me crazy.
It drives me crazy that people like you need these fools that have never been punched in the face, they've never been strangled, they've never fought a day in their life, and they're the ones that get to decide what happens to you?
They're the ones who get to tell Nick Diaz he has to sit out for five years?
donald cerrone
Yeah, but they're the pencil pushers of America, man.
They're the people that in high school...
I feel like those are the guys that now they have something to prove.
Now he's...
High and mighty, you know?
joe rogan
Maybe, you know, but there's a lot of pencil pushers that are good dudes, you know, or good women.
It's not the problem.
The problem is people in positions of power that are accustomed to that position of power, and then they treat it like they're a fucking king or a queen.
They're tyrants.
donald cerrone
And that's what those people are.
Hey, my buddy, Scott Parker.
joe rogan
Who is it?
donald cerrone
Parks from the Avalanche said he's been in over 400 fights.
He just texted me right now.
joe rogan
How dare he?
How dare you?
Is that the hockey guy?
Well, he might actually have been in 400 fights.
Because those guys will fight all the time, right?
He'll probably fight like two, three times a week.
donald cerrone
That's the difference.
Dude, he's huge.
He's my snowmobiling partner, right?
So, that's what I'm saying.
So, I don't know if you've ever ridden a snowmobile, but you get stuck in like five, six feet of powder, and...
Now you're stuck.
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
That big old son of a bitch come over with one hand and be like, just rip me out.
Like, go get it.
And I'm in there digging me out for like an hour.
And I'm like, you motherfucker, you big ass bitch.
So, yeah, he's a good dude.
Came down, helped me build the fucking ranch, man.
He's a solid guy.
Solid as he gets.
joe rogan
That's nice, man.
It's good to have good friends.
donald cerrone
Yes.
joe rogan
Especially ones that can lift a fucking snowmobile.
donald cerrone
With one hand.
joe rogan
Pull it out.
donald cerrone
Fucker.
joe rogan
The world of professional athletes is so short that it's even more frustrating when someone gets...
Like, if you're an accountant and they suspend you for five years, you know, hey, you could always get a job doing something else, and then five years from now you get reinstated as an accountant.
But when you're an athlete, you've got this short window.
I mean, I think Nick started fighting when he was 18. So, you know, he's 32 now.
He's got a few years left at max.
donald cerrone
Yeah.
joe rogan
Max.
donald cerrone
Max.
joe rogan
I mean, it's conceivable that he could come back at 37, since he does take care of his body.
Maybe it's five years.
donald cerrone
That's a tough comeback.
Financially, what are you doing?
You're accustomed to a lifestyle that you've been fighting.
I am, at least.
Oh, for sure.
I'm a super degenerate with my money.
Everyone knows that.
If something happened to me today, I don't know what I'd do.
joe rogan
You would have to go on the road and start doing seminars, but because of your style and because of Nick's style, you guys are both really well-loved.
If something like that happened with you, you could do seminars and make a few grand every weekend.
donald cerrone
Maybe not in Dublin.
I'd have to go anywhere.
Maybe not in Dublin?
joe rogan
Once you guys fought, you could do it.
If you and Conor fought and duked it out and had an epic contest, then you could do it, you know?
donald cerrone
I'm just a big stick in the mud.
joe rogan
Or if you beat him a couple times decisively, you'd have to beat him where they have to just give in.
They'd have to say, all right, you had to beat him.
donald cerrone
You beat him.
joe rogan
You beat him.
But if you fucking cut down to 145, you'd never touch him.
donald cerrone
Fucking Conor.
joe rogan
Look, man, I appreciate the fuck out of what that guy's doing.
He's getting eyes on the sport.
donald cerrone
Yeah, he is.
joe rogan
Him and Ronda.
donald cerrone
He really pisses me off.
I feel like you tell him when he was in the fucking press conference, I wanted to rip him so bad.
joe rogan
Of course.
donald cerrone
I wanted to kill him.
I wanted to be like, you know what, Connor?
You can blow me like a cup of hot soup, you son of a bitch.
joe rogan
Blow me like a cup of hot soup?
How does that work?
You blow on the cup of hot soup?
Is that what it is?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Okay.
But if he just blows you like that, that's why it's confusing.
The vernacular is really odd.
Like, blowjob.
I don't understand where that came from.
It's very, blow me like a cup of hot soup.
donald cerrone
First time.
First time, there you go.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've never heard that one before.
I've been around.
unidentified
That's funny.
It blew me like a cup of hot soup.
joe rogan
But the fucking guy, look, when he said the Dos Anjos, that shit was hilarious.
Like, you know, he's like, if you get a fight with me, you've made it.
You call to your wife, honey, put on the fucking red panties, we made it.
Come on, I appreciate the fuck out of that dude's shit.
His shit-talking game is better than anybody.
donald cerrone
It is.
joe rogan
He's the best ever.
I mean and Nick Diaz is right because you know like what his antics inside the octagon like Nick's antics inside the octagon fuck with a lot of people's heads sure like the first fight with Robbie Lawler like I remember there's the first time I ever saw Nick talk shit it was the first fight with Robbie Lawler because Robbie was dangerous so Nick Nick took that shit talking to DEFCON 5 and he got into the octagon And the first thing he does, he gets into the octagon.
He looks over at Robbie and goes, STALKTON, MOTHERFUCKER! STALKTON! And he starts walking around, STALKTON MOTHERFUCKER! And Robbie's like, what the fuck is he talking about?
donald cerrone
What does that even mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
And then the entire time the fight is going on, like, what, bitch?
What you gonna do, bitch?
What you gonna do, bitch?
And then he'd hit him, oh, bitch, I just stung you, bitch!
And he'd be popping him, and Robbie Lawler didn't talk back to him, but you could clearly see he didn't anticipate that.
donald cerrone
As far as Nick and Nate go, I don't know if that's a game plan.
That's just their real life.
I think if they were on the street, they'd be like, what bitch talk?
That's real life talk.
That's what they know.
That's them being them.
joe rogan
But it is still a psychological tactic.
It's an excellent tactic.
Anderson Silva.
It fucked Anderson Silva's head up, dude.
donald cerrone
Some bitch laid out on the mat.
joe rogan
He laid down like this.
He was bored and he was taking a nap, fighting the greatest pound-for-pound fighter in the history of the sport, and he lays down.
And then he gets up with his hands down, like, what, bitch?
donald cerrone
What, bitch?
It's fucking...
joe rogan
And he didn't do any of that leading up to the fight, which was even more fucked up, because I don't think Anderson expected it at all.
And then when he was in there talking shit to him, you could see Anderson just, like, moving around and not doing anything, frozen and, you know, thinking about, like, there's a great thing about it.
What, bitch?
And Anderson had never experienced that before.
donald cerrone
Man, come on with it.
joe rogan
Anderson is the greatest psychological fall I've ever seen in my career.
To witness him go from the guy who beat Stefan Bonner, who steps his back up against the cage, drops his hands, is like, come on.
Go ahead.
And then moves out of the way, and then decides, alright, now I'm gonna attack.
Hits Bonner with a knee to the stomach, drops him, and then pounds him out, and TKO's him, and then looks like a guy in the fucking Matrix.
I mean, and then to go from that confidence to the two Weidman fights, man, they did a number on him.
They did a number on him like I've never seen before.
It's fascinating to see.
It's fascinating to see how a guy can be almost just unbeatable, and then Weidman after the second fight, I mean, you gotta think about the second fight, Anderson broke his leg, right?
donald cerrone
Sure.
joe rogan
Weidman didn't knock him out.
He broke his leg.
I mean, he had him hurt bad in that first round.
But then after that fight, Weidman's like, you know what?
I don't want to fight him again.
I don't want to hurt him.
Like, whoa.
Like, just for Anderson to hear that, it's got to be like, that's a mindfuck, man.
donald cerrone
Well, and I mean, you're coming up, I mean, the mind is such a motherfucker.
Like, if you could just get your mind to do what your heart wants to do, life would be so much easier.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald cerrone
I think, like, there are so many times I'm in the cage, like...
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Right?
donald cerrone
And I don't know if my brain knew what my heart was trying to say, but that's what I wanted to do, you know?
And it's so...
And then you...
It's...
Fuck, bro.
I can't even put words on it, you know?
It's crazy.
joe rogan
Do you do any mental training?
Do you do any meditating or any visualization?
donald cerrone
Hey, drink fucking ice cold Budweiser, brother.
What are you talking about?
God damn it.
No, a fucking fight is a fight, but I probably maybe should.
But in this sport, it's not like that's what I was telling Blake Griffin today.
Like, hey man, you have a bad day, you fall back and let your team pick up.
It's like, I have a bad day, I'm the worst fighter in the world.
My Twitter feed is just nothing but you pussy, you fucking die.
joe rogan
Well, there's a difference between a guy losing a basketball game, too, and getting shit on by the fans.
All you have to do is stay offline for a couple days, you know, and you hit that three-pointer to win the game and you're a fucking hero again.
donald cerrone
Again, back up.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're back up.
But for a fighter, man, especially because fighting, like when a kid, or especially an idiot, looks at a fighter, they look at something that is so unattainable, they might as well be talking to a unicorn.
You know, they might as well be talking to a God.
They might as well be talking to someone who's not even real.
So they feel like they can talk shit to you because you're not even real.
donald cerrone
Did you say God and something real?
joe rogan
Like you're not even real.
donald cerrone
I like it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's what I'm saying.
You know, like you're Apollo.
You're fucking Zeus or something.
You know what I'm saying?
donald cerrone
It's like...
joe rogan
You are not, they don't relate to you.
unidentified
And when they're writing this thing, they're sitting there with their fucking keyboard getting crazy.
donald cerrone
Oh man.
joe rogan
I don't know what I just did.
I think I might have deleted something.
donald cerrone
So, I mean the craziest thing about fighting...
Is if you and I were to go out and fight right now, there's no emotion, there's no thought, it's just fucking get it.
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
But now December 18th, I have this entire time.
This big window to think about it.
And the problem, it's not the fight that bothers me.
Nothing at all.
And I think, I speak maybe for all fighters, I don't know, I don't give a shit, but it's, I got my grandma sitting ringside.
I got all the people I meet along the way that, you know, I've met and I've interacted with, hung out, and in their mind, when they talk to people like, oh yeah, I'm going to Cowboys fight, he's going to fuck this dude up.
You know what I mean?
So, like, the precedent is so high.
joe rogan
The pressure, right.
donald cerrone
The pressure.
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
Do you talk to those people leading up to that fight?
You know what you should do?
donald cerrone
I don't even know if it's talking to them or if it's just...
joe rogan
Knowing they're there.
donald cerrone
Knowing that they're there and knowing that they're...
I mean, the pressure's unbelievable.
So, when you're in that fight and they're like, are you ready?
Are you ready?
And sometimes you're like, fuck no, I'm not ready.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
Fuck.
joe rogan
Are you kidding me?
donald cerrone
No, I'm not ready.
joe rogan
There's never going to be a time when I'm ready for this.
No, no, no.
donald cerrone
I'm not sweating.
My heart's pounding in my chest.
And they're like, bing.
And you're like, oh, shit.
Fake it till you make it.
And it's time to, you know, it's unbelievable, man.
And you got to go out there and, is he ready?
Sometimes you look across at him and he's like, he doesn't look ready.
But he hit me ready.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's sometimes.
Right.
unidentified
And...
donald cerrone
Some of those times when you're sitting in the corner and you look across and you're like, second, got him.
Check.
I can see it.
I broke him.
I got it.
Sometimes you look across and you're like, I don't know.
Is this dude going to come out really hard in the third?
So it's crazy.
The Eddie Alvarez fight, third round, come out, he came out and I was like, oh, ho, ho.
Hey, man!
unidentified
Slow down!
donald cerrone
You know what I mean?
There's so much mind shit that goes on.
Like I said, if I can get my fucking mind, do what my heart wants to do, I feel like I can be anyone in the world.
But the problem is being ready on game day, man.
It's so tough.
joe rogan
But listen to me.
Why don't you do any mental preparation?
donald cerrone
I did.
I tried.
I tried to meet mental people.
I don't fucking do anything.
That's all hokey pokey.
unidentified
Fucking...
joe rogan
Hokey pokey!
Turn yourself around.
donald cerrone
Turn yourself around.
unidentified
That's what it's all about.
donald cerrone
You know, I feel...
The mental game is so hard to grasp because, yeah, Henry Smith and Jafari are calling out what I should do.
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
I see what I should do.
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
If I don't do it, I'm like frozen.
unidentified
Right.
donald cerrone
I'm like a stick in the mud.
Right.
joe rogan
But do you think that, like, okay, like when you're in the heart of battle, okay.
Sure.
Let me ask you this.
When you're at your best, like, let's say, in a particularly impressive fight, like the Jim Miller fight.
The Jim Miller fight, you were on fire.
You just look, you look so dominant in that fight, and you look so focused, and you just, your combinations, your distancing, everything was on point.
When you're in that zone, right?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
When you, like, right before you stopped him, what is in your mind?
Are you empty?
Are you blank?
donald cerrone
No.
So, I'm gonna be a fucking thousand percent honest with you.
I'm like a video game in a third person.
So I see myself from behind my head playing myself.
That's the lunatic in my brain talking.
But that's how I see the fights.
I don't see the fight, me fighting you.
I see it from like a helicopter view above my fucking right shoulder.
And I see it like when I'm in the zone and I'm So, you know what I mean?
joe rogan
So you're not emotional.
donald cerrone
I step back and I do this little hopping that puts me like, then I go behind and I'm fucking dialed in and it's like ding ding, everything just flows.
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
And I see myself out of body, as crazy as that fucking sounds, right?
From like a third party.
joe rogan
Well, I haven't heard it before from anybody else, but it doesn't sound crazy because I think what you're talking about is it's not you.
Like, you're outside of you.
donald cerrone
I'm literally outside of me.
It's like I'm telling that person what to do from an outside perspective.
joe rogan
So, when you're at your best like that, would you say that you're...
donald cerrone
Like the Dunham fight.
The entire Dunham fight.
joe rogan
Perfect example.
donald cerrone
The entire...
From bell to bell, the Dunham fight, I... What was the fight before the Dunham fight?
Dos Anjos.
joe rogan
So, do you think that because of the Dos Anjos loss, you got more focused, more intense, and then came out in the Dunham fight and you were just on fire?
donald cerrone
Fuck, I wish I had an answer for that.
I don't know.
I mean, I totally underestimated the dosanjos.
It fucking will not happen again.
joe rogan
He's gotten a lot better.
That guy works hard.
donald cerrone
Good.
joe rogan
I know he's your adversary and you're fighting him.
But when you're at your best, would you say that you don't have any emotions at all?
unidentified
Zero.
donald cerrone
You're zero, right?
Zero.
At zero, yeah.
joe rogan
And then when you're frustrated and you're in a bad place, you're battling your emotions, trying to calm them down, right?
donald cerrone
Absolutely.
Trying to...
Yeah, it's like I'm trying to find second gear.
joe rogan
Yeah, right, right.
That's the worst sound in the world.
donald cerrone
You know what I mean?
That's what it fucking feels like.
Like when I'm grinding, grinding, grinding.
Like, go, motherfucker!
And you talk to yourself.
And that's what's going through my mind.
I can't find it.
I just can't find second gear.
joe rogan
And when you're in that place, it's the most frustrating, right?
donald cerrone
The absolute most frustrating, man.
There's nothing...
I mean, it's like...
What do you do?
joe rogan
Well, do you think that it's possible that through mental training and through specific techniques you could get better at achieving that what you would call maybe like a flow state?
The same way you got better at being a fighter.
Think about your first days of fighting when you first learned Muay Thai.
I'll tell you when I first saw you.
I first saw you when you were on the Tap Out show.
donald cerrone
Sure.
joe rogan
Because I was like, who is this wild motherfucker hanging out with masks and he's throwing head kicks.
But the cool thing about you, I thought you were a The personification of an idea that Eddie Bravo and I both had.
And that idea was, if you get a guy who's a really good kickboxer, but also has a really good guard, they're fucking super dangerous.
donald cerrone
Sure.
joe rogan
Because they're not worried about getting taken down.
So they throw those kicks freely.
So you want a lot of your early fights by submission off your back.
Correct.
donald cerrone
Because, yeah, for one, my wrestling was zero.
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
So, I mean, it's not like I was like, oh, just kick freely and defend.
They just take me down.
joe rogan
But as fun as you were to watch back then, when I first watched you, you are a lot better.
donald cerrone
Are you telling me you're not fun now?
Is that what's going on here?
No, no, no.
joe rogan
You are a lot better now, right?
donald cerrone
Sure.
joe rogan
You're a lot better now.
So, you got better at that.
Do you think that you could get better the same way with your mind?
Absolutely.
Don't you think that you should practice that, though?
donald cerrone
I should.
Shit, I'm gonna work on that.
joe rogan
I mean, I think if you had a coach that could work through that with you...
donald cerrone
So you talk about this mind, right?
And there's been times when I've been hitting pads, and I fucking just go into...
joe rogan
Flow state.
donald cerrone
You're in the zone.
I go into it, and it's like, oh, fucking...
I've seen you do it.
I've seen videos of you doing it.
And then two days will go by, and I don't see it.
Three days a month.
joe rogan
That's how it goes, though, right?
donald cerrone
But then sometimes it's like...
And it, dude, it is like...
It's like a drug, man.
joe rogan
I think that state exists in everything.
I think singers experience it.
I think all sorts of basketball players, all sorts of different athletes experience that state.
And it's all about trying to find that state.
That state exists in stand-up comedy.
That state exists in...
And I think in everything that's difficult to do, there's a time where you zone into it.
donald cerrone
Zone in, man.
Or zone out.
joe rogan
Yeah, whatever it is, whatever it is, but it only comes if you've dotted all your I's and crossed all your T's.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You have to have no worries at all about your preparation.
donald cerrone
Oh, no, no, no.
Right?
That all has to be, absolutely, yeah, you know, and I... Do you think that drinking has any effect on your physical performance, or do you think that you do it at a level where you're not fucking with your endurance?
Well, that's the thing.
I think people think that Cowboy just drinks fucking 12-pack a night, but that's not.
joe rogan
How many beers do you drink on a regular basis?
donald cerrone
With dinner, a couple.
If I'm out with friends, a couple.
You know, we'll put the six pack down.
Maybe graduate to a 12 pack.
I don't know.
But we're engaging and having a good time.
joe rogan
Right, right.
This is a rare moment.
donald cerrone
Do I sit at home and drink alone?
No.
Absolutely not.
joe rogan
You're a social drinker.
donald cerrone
Social drinker.
I hang out with my friends.
I have a couple beers, you know, at dinner.
But a lot of times, when you're training, you're sore.
You come home, you know, you roll, and you're like, oh my god.
joe rogan
You want a beer, yeah.
donald cerrone
Dude, you put two, three beers down, and you're like, oh, thank you.
joe rogan
Tastes so much better.
donald cerrone
So much better.
joe rogan
Ice cold beer after training is one of the best.
Actually, it's good for you, too, because there's something...
donald cerrone
They say it's better than chocolate milk, right?
joe rogan
Well, it's up there, as long as you don't have too much of it.
There's like a point of diminishing returns.
donald cerrone
On that fucking note.
joe rogan
They say that, like, I guess it's the hops or whatever it is that can replenish the glycos in your body.
You know who was a glucogen, glycogen, whatever it is?
You know who was a big believer in that?
One of the best ever.
Boss Rootin.
Boss Rootin never stopped drinking.
He goes, hey, I have a drink or two every night.
Well, he did eventually because he, you know, sort of developed an issue where, you know, he's getting a little crazy with it.
But when he was training, you know, he would have a couple of beers at night and he didn't stop having it.
donald cerrone
I mean, sometimes I'll drink two, three, four nights in a row.
And I'll go, I won't have a beer for a week, two weeks, I don't know.
So here, I'm going to tell you the problem with drinking.
joe rogan
Okay.
donald cerrone
Are you ready for Cowboy's philosophy on drinking?
joe rogan
I've been ready forever.
donald cerrone
Alright.
So me and you have a six-pack.
We roll over to dinner.
Six-pack leads to a 12-pack.
Leads to us drinking shots.
Leads to us staying up at 2 in the morning.
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
And what do you do at 2 in the morning?
You chase pussy.
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
So now you fucking find a girl.
You go home.
She plays the I Don't Want to Give You the Pussy game until 6 a.m.
joe rogan
The I Don't Want to Give You the Pussy game.
This sounds very rapey.
unidentified
So finally at 6, 7 a.m., you do your deed.
donald cerrone
Now I got training at 9.30.
I don't make it.
So that's where I feel alcohol.
But if I have four or five beers, I go home, go to sleep.
Is it going to affect my training tomorrow?
I don't think so.
Not at all.
joe rogan
As long as you have water, as you're not dehydrated, all that jazz.
Do you watch your diet?
donald cerrone
No, absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
Well, Floyd Mayweather ate burgers, 49 and 0. Yeah, I mean, I just, I eat whatever I want, I drink whatever I want, and that's my life, man.
joe rogan
So you never, like, you don't have, like, a Dolce guy or something like that that monitors your...
donald cerrone
A Dolce guy.
joe rogan
How dare you?
What's wrong with a Dolce guy?
donald cerrone
Nothing's wrong.
It works great for Rhonda, apparently.
It does.
joe rogan
It works great for a lot of people, right?
donald cerrone
No, I don't.
I can't have you telling me.
If you said, cowboy, don't drink that beer.
You can't eat pizza.
Motherfucker, I'm going to eat a whole pizza.
Yeah, I'm going to fucking cry.
Because pizza's like sex.
Bad pizza or good pizza is still fucking pizza, brother.
joe rogan
But is there a way you could have, like, the best of both worlds?
Is there a way that you could, like, figure out how to give your body the best fuel, and maybe it'll give you a little slight edge?
donald cerrone
On it.
joe rogan
That's gonna help a little.
You know, supplements will help.
Vitamins will help.
donald cerrone
I don't take supplements.
joe rogan
You don't take any vitamins?
Nothing?
donald cerrone
Nothing.
Nothing, nothing.
How old are you now?
32. Around 34. I mean, my friends can definitely preach for me.
I don't take shit.
joe rogan
Nothing?
donald cerrone
Nothing.
joe rogan
No protein powders?
unidentified
Nothing?
donald cerrone
I use a little bit of medicinal marijuana on the fucking knee.
The CBD oil.
joe rogan
You know what you should do with the knees?
The fucking stem cell injections are incredible, man.
Cormier had one.
He was like that close to surgery.
He had a stem cell injection in his knee and fixed him right up.
Rhonda's apparently thinking about it.
She had one of her judo coaches just had stem cells done in his name.
donald cerrone
So you're steering me away from medicinal marijuana.
joe rogan
No, I want you to do that too.
unidentified
Both.
joe rogan
Do that too, but don't do it as much as Nick Diaz.
donald cerrone
No, I don't.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you do do it, refuse the urinalysis, the urine test.
donald cerrone
No, I didn't.
It was like a rub.
I was in Colorado.
I got a...
joe rogan
Oh yeah, they have creams.
donald cerrone
A cream is exactly what it was.
It was like a cream.
I think it was like a 50 to 1. 50 CBD percent to 1 THC. I got some of that shit, but I'm scared of it.
Bro, I put it on my knee.
I didn't feel.
I mean, there wasn't any...
No, there wasn't.
It was only like 1 percent, 50 to 1. Oh, so it's all CBD and very little THC. Correct.
joe rogan
Oh, I see.
donald cerrone
And, dude, a week of it in my knee felt great.
joe rogan
What's one of the best anti-inflammatories non-demand?
donald cerrone
Unbelievable.
But I don't smoke weed.
I don't shy on people that do.
I don't give a fuck.
You do whatever the hell people make no difference to me.
I just wish I could be un-high.
Have you ever been like, I used to get high when I was a kid.
And I'd be like, fuck, I'm done being high.
I wish I could be un-high right now.
Kind of like if you drink too much and you're spinning, you try to put your foot down on the floor.
Like, I wish I could be un-fucking-drunk right now.
Same kind of deal.
Well, it's like everything.
joe rogan
A little bit of moderation, it's good.
A couple toots just a little bit.
Hang out with a girlfriend.
Make a little kissy-kissy.
donald cerrone
It's the best.
I mean, one of my good friends, Eric Bonekamp, that's why he would smoke religiously every day.
I used to lay hard on the floor.
So I'd be like, give me, let me hit that thing.
And the next thing you know, I'm over in the corner.
Fucked out of my mind.
Well that's the problem.
joe rogan
You don't have a tolerance for it and you're jumping right into the deep end of the pool.
You needed swimming lessons.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Okay?
donald cerrone
You need to learn how to hold your breath, breathe in, breathe out.
joe rogan
There's a lot of shit that goes into that.
You can't just...
I've had a lot of friends who are like, let me see what the fuss is all about.
I'll go, okay, listen to me.
This shit right here?
There's glass tips, okay?
Smell this.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They use glass.
Glass at the tip.
Take a smell of that.
Just smell it.
Smell it.
Just smell it.
See that?
That's not to be fucked with.
donald cerrone
No, you don't fuck with it.
joe rogan
No, that's not to be fucked with.
You can smoke it, but you gotta be fucking careful.
donald cerrone
This looks like something that I would find out on Colfax in Colorado, like a crackhead.
joe rogan
Crackhead, yeah.
Well, you gotta deal with the stigma.
donald cerrone
If you handed me this, Joe, I'd be like...
joe rogan
I know, right?
Well, usually you use paper at the end of it, but glass is better than paper.
donald cerrone
And it comes in a fucking bitchin' little...
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, a little vial.
donald cerrone
You gonna spark that bitch up right now?
joe rogan
I will, if you want me to.
Do you want some of this?
donald cerrone
No, I'm not gonna.
No.
joe rogan
Okay.
unidentified
Now, Bob.
joe rogan
I'll have a little.
donald cerrone
Yeah, watch.
So, vapor.
Kush vapor.
There it is, glass tip.
joe rogan
See, but I do this all the time.
I wouldn't recommend a hit like that for a...
donald cerrone
That'd floor me.
That'd be done.
Yeah, no, no, no.
joe rogan
We'll confuse people.
It makes you anxious and freak out.
It makes you confront all sorts of shit that you've been keeping in the back of your head.
But I confront that shit all the time.
So this is my friend.
donald cerrone
Okay.
joe rogan
So when I dig in on this...
donald cerrone
So, I mean, like I said, I don't smoke weed.
I mean, I've done it, of course, and we did a backpacking trip with a couple of buddies of mine, and they brought weed, so of course I smoked it.
joe rogan
Backpacking weed go hand-to-hand.
donald cerrone
And I was in charge of the GPS, so where we were going, I don't know, but it was two miles as the crow flies.
Every fucking time they asked me where I was going, because we kept moving, but the spot we were going to stayed the same.
So everywhere we went, it says two miles as the crow flies, so I don't know.
joe rogan
Two miles as the crow flies is such a fucking mountain term.
People who have never hiked, they have no idea what you're talking about.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But the idea, folks, is that if you go down and then up, well, the distance between those points straight as a crow would fly is like a mile.
But you're going like a mile and a half, two miles, maybe three.
donald cerrone
Forever, and you're still two fucking miles.
So every time we're like, where are we at?
joe rogan
Dude, I am amazed at how fucking tired hiking gets you.
donald cerrone
Especially with a fucking 80-pack ruck on your back.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Bro.
Dude, trust me.
Especially in Colorado.
donald cerrone
Yeah, well we brought all our rock climbing gear with us.
Oh yeah.
30-40 pounds of climbing gear a piece.
joe rogan
30-40 pounds of gear and you're dealing with altitude.
Fuck, it's hard, man.
donald cerrone
Because we're traditional climbers.
We set our own anchors.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
donald cerrone
I mean, if you're going to do it, why not?
joe rogan
Well, I have this team on...
donald cerrone
If you've got to make your sphincter fucking come all the way to a BB, right?
joe rogan
Is that what you do?
You like to make your sphincter really fucking clamp down?
That's the thing, right?
donald cerrone
That's living.
That's motherfucking...
When you're hanging out by one finger and you go to set that bolt...
And you don't know if you said it good enough because you're fatigued.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus Christ.
donald cerrone
And you gotta clip the rope.
joe rogan
Sweaty hands.
I'm sweaty hands just hearing about this.
I had this cat, Alex Honnold.
You know who he is?
He's like one of the greatest free climbers in the world.
You want to talk about setting your sphincter?
This guy climbs shit that most people don't even want to climb.
That's him sitting up there.
He climbs shit with no ropes.
And one time, he's halfway up the mountain when he realized that he forgot his fucking chalk.
He didn't bring any powder.
So he's halfway up the mountain.
And I don't even like to do kettlebells without powder.
unidentified
What do you do at that point?
donald cerrone
Just kind of give it a little...
joe rogan
He just kept going.
He's an animal.
I mean, this fucking kid...
Look at what he's doing.
Look at this fucking angle.
donald cerrone
We call that now today, your pot fucking committed, right?
When you're halfway, you don't just climb down.
So his only option is, where's the commode at?
I gotta pee bad.
joe rogan
Oh, right out there.
Go right out the door and take a leak.
I hear you, dude.
Yes, I'll be right out.
Fine without you.
Donald is going to be fighting for the title in, fuck, when is it?
December in Orlando, Florida.
And he's fighting Rafael Dos Anjos, the guy who beat Anthony Pettis, who is one of the baddest motherfuckers in the sport.
So Dos Anjos is a beast.
It's a really big fight, a really important fight.
And it's a fight that...
As much as he'll talk about how much he doesn't give a fuck and he's having a good time and everything like that, this is something he's been working towards for a long, long time.
But while he's peeing, I can just tell you this, this is how this guy is all the time.
He's not putting on a show.
He's a great guy, too.
He's fun to hang out with, man.
He's always like this.
He's always friendly.
When you hear about him getting in fights with people, the fact that he barely neck-kicked that guy, if a lot of people said that, I'd be like...
Please, you fucking teed off on him.
Like, I would have probably teed off on him, but he really would, like, hit him nice.
donald cerrone
Why do you have Eddie Bravo and Ari Sheffield staring at me when I pee in there?
joe rogan
Ari Sheffield!
Ari Shafir.
My buddy Mike Maxwell made a bunch of...
donald cerrone
Shafir, Sheffield, my bad.
Sheffield?
My girlfriend's name is Sheffield.
joe rogan
Oh, that's very different.
You think about Ari, you think about your girlfriend.
Things got weird.
donald cerrone
That got super fucking weird.
joe rogan
Yeah, my friend Mike made a bunch of different pictures.
This is with Joey back there.
We've got to revise the Joey.
The Joey Diaz one didn't come out so good.
donald cerrone
No, which one was he?
joe rogan
It's in the back.
unidentified
Jeez.
joe rogan
It didn't work out.
Needs to redo that.
donald cerrone
So, I just bought some new guns.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw, man.
So, what is an Integrally Suppressed 300 Win Mag?
donald cerrone
So, that's where the suppressor is part of the barrel.
joe rogan
The suppressor for people that don't know guns is a silencer?
That's what makes it really quiet?
donald cerrone
Sounds like a faggot fartin'.
joe rogan
Really?
donald cerrone
All you hear is the bolt.
unidentified
Nothing.
joe rogan
And I have a.300 wind mag.
donald cerrone
So you have a.300 wind mag, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a motherfucker of a gun.
It's got so much kick.
So this has very little kick, too, because it's...
donald cerrone
Zero kick.
unidentified
That's insane.
donald cerrone
So normally, people, they shoot and they double tap.
Bing, bing, bing.
Right?
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
No, you can just...
Whatever you want, man.
joe rogan
That's insane.
donald cerrone
Insane!
So we are super, super sonic rounds, right?
Which is, it breaks the sound barrier.
joe rogan
That's illegal in California, isn't it, this gun?
donald cerrone
I'm sure.
Fuck everything's legal in California.
I have no idea.
So they make sub...
joe rogan
Subsonic ammo?
donald cerrone
Subsonic ammo, right?
joe rogan
So you don't hear it.
donald cerrone
Right, but we were shooting supersonic ammo out of it just to prove a point.
unidentified
Wow.
donald cerrone
All you could hear is the bolt.
Click, click, click.
That's insane.
Bro, insane.
So the guy that came out to my house, it's Keystone Armory.
Plugging him right now.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, please do.
donald cerrone
They would spit down the barrel because suppressors aren't made to get wet.
joe rogan
With that fucking gun, how many rounds does that hold?
30. Dude, my.300 windbang is a bolt-action rifle.
donald cerrone
It holds three.
I have the same one, right?
So, it's unbelievable.
We were literally shooting it in my backyard, and the guys across the street, we called them over.
They're like, dude, we thought you guys were just using your nail gun, shooting, building the house.
unidentified
That's insane.
donald cerrone
It's like, clink, clink, clink, clink.
So, they have 9mm,.45, and...
It sounds like a pelagon.
joe rogan
You can't even possess them in California, which is really weird.
You know, in Europe, hunting without a silencer is rude.
Like, they all have suppressors because they don't want to hurt people's ears.
It doesn't make sense that you can hunt with an archery equipment, archery setup, which is totally silent.
donald cerrone
You see that badass Talladega shirt I have?
Have you ever been to Talladega?
joe rogan
Never been.
Tell me about Talladega.
donald cerrone
So fun.
joe rogan
Yeah?
donald cerrone
Talladega and Daytona, if you guys are NASCAR fans, or if you're not, you need to go just experience the infield.
joe rogan
You know what I really like watching?
I like people turning left and then right.
I like a lot of movement in my racing.
I like that Formula One thing where they go around a lot.
donald cerrone
Listen, Kevin Harvick is a dear friend of mine.
Number four all day.
joe rogan
They're the best left turners on the planet.
donald cerrone
Ever, ever.
joe rogan
Nobody left turns like that.
donald cerrone
Okay, so let's talk about this.
We're going here, okay?
unidentified
Okay.
donald cerrone
So I show up to Michigan.
joe rogan
Michigan.
donald cerrone
Michigan.
Kevin's racing.
I said, you know what, how fucking good, how good could it, I mean, how hard could it be?
So I said, let's go to a go-kart race.
I'll fucking, I'll run with you.
Right, so he calls up the nearest go-kart track.
So we'll be right there.
We show up.
I said, where's the fastest kart?
And fucking badass, Kevin says, which one's the slowest?
This motherfucker was running laps around me in the fucking go-kart.
And I'm a go-kart-going motherfucker.
I feel like you're not going to beat me in a go-kart.
And he did.
joe rogan
Very few people ever get to say, I'm a go-kart-going motherfucker.
donald cerrone
He'd pull over and wait for me to catch up and fucking catch me again.
It's all about how they...
You know, when you're taking those corners and you hear, that means you're losing speed.
He just knows how to cut the lines.
It's fucking unbelievable.
joe rogan
Well, I would imagine, even to be just a guy who does NASCAR, you would have to be one of the top drivers in the world.
The difference is, I appreciate the shit out of it.
donald cerrone
And women.
Danica, I love her.
She's hot, too.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
It's like the Ronda Rousey of racing.
donald cerrone
Except for Ronda's not hot.
joe rogan
How dare you?
unidentified
What?
donald cerrone
How dare you?
I say it loudly and proudly.
joe rogan
Oh my goodness.
You have higher standards than me, sir.
I think she's hot as fuck.
You don't think she's hot?
I don't want to get into this.
donald cerrone
We don't want to go there?
joe rogan
I like her too much.
But when you watch Formula One racing...
donald cerrone
Do you feel like you have a biased opinion when you're commentating because you like her so much?
joe rogan
I have a biased opinion towards you, too.
donald cerrone
Okay.
joe rogan
I do.
donald cerrone
Next question.
joe rogan
I try to suppress it.
donald cerrone
Next question.
joe rogan
Look, I try to suppress it, but part of being a commentator is if, like, Uriah Faber.
I love that dude.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I think Uriah Faber is a cool motherfucker.
I love talking to him.
donald cerrone
Right.
joe rogan
When he fights, I have to put myself in a place where I don't think about that.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
TJ. When TJ fights, I have to put myself in a place where I don't think about that.
I'll tell you what.
I hate to tell you this.
I love Conor.
I love that dude.
donald cerrone
So my grandma always tells me she watches the fight and she has to put it on mute and then she has to watch the real fight.
joe rogan
She doesn't like me?
donald cerrone
No, no, she loves you.
But she just likes to be no silence and see the fight in its integrity.
joe rogan
They should offer that.
donald cerrone
Because you, Joe, are to the fans...
Can weigh the scale.
I definitely can.
joe rogan
I know that.
That's why it's important for me to...
I try to be as objective about...
But I also have to be honest.
If something's happening, and some guys...
It hurts.
donald cerrone
But what you see sometimes, the judges don't agree with.
So sometimes the fans, you...
They're heavy on the scale one side.
joe rogan
I could be, but I think I probably am better at it than the judges.
Sure.
There's a real problem.
That's an arrogant thing to say.
The judges suck.
They're real bad.
donald cerrone
Did you watch?
I don't think they're fans.
Bam Bam Healy fight that just happened.
joe rogan
Yeah, I heard about it.
donald cerrone
It sucked.
joe rogan
I heard about it.
Totally sucked.
I'm not even remotely surprised.
I have it recorded.
donald cerrone
I'm going to watch it.
You can watch it on Fight Pass, right?
Fight Pass, yeah.
And Bam Bam won the fight.
joe rogan
We've seen that, man.
We saw that in Ramsey Nijim's last fight.
It happens a lot.
donald cerrone
With the Henderson and myself first fight, I feel like I won.
The third fight that we just had, I don't fucking know, man.
joe rogan
I gotta honestly tell you, I thought he edged you.
I just thought he edged you.
But it was a very close fight.
It wasn't a travesty.
donald cerrone
Sure.
That was the hardest fight I've ever had.
Sure, and I'm not hiding it.
joe rogan
And look, Benson is one of the fucking best on the planet.
And you're one of the best on the planet.
It was a great fight.
I mean, there was no doubt about it.
It was a super high-level, very entertaining fight.
donald cerrone
And Benson's coming down to help me train for this fight.
joe rogan
That's awesome.
I love that dude.
So do I. He's got a great soul.
donald cerrone
That's what he told me.
He's like, hey man, you got this one, they gave me the first one.
Fucking go get it.
That's what he said to me.
joe rogan
That's beautiful.
I'm glad he did that.
I'm biased towards a lot of guys.
I'm biased towards Chad Mendes.
I love that dude.
I think he's a great guy.
But when they're fighting...
Damn, dude, I try to let all that shit slide away.
I try to look at it as objectively as possible.
So, like, in the Ronda-Betch-Cohea fight, if Betch beat the fuck out of Ronda in that fight, I would be calling it as if it was one of the most spectacular moments in MMA, even though I'm a friend of Ronda's and a fan of hers.
donald cerrone
God, how fucking badass did she look?
Goddamn, she's good.
That was a Leonard Garcia-Ronda fight.
joe rogan
Yeah.
She just bit down on her mouthpiece and fucked that girl up.
donald cerrone
Gave it.
joe rogan
And did it, like, flawlessly.
That fucking right hand she hit her with and then tagged her with the left as she's going down.
She's not winging shit.
She's throwing perfect, clean technique.
donald cerrone
Come on.
Those were wingers.
Those were fucking wingers.
joe rogan
It was a chaos fight, but she's throwing clean technique, man.
For her it's a winger.
But the way she landed the right hand, then as the girl's going down, she hits her with the left, there's no wind-up in that.
And she's only been fucking striking for a few years, man.
It's a recent thing.
donald cerrone
Because if it will, it will.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
If you're one of those fucking people, like, that girl's got that brain.
If you're one of those fucking people, she could be the best surfer.
She could be, she'd find her way.
You know, if Danica Patrick was the number one NASCAR driver, she'd find a way to get in front of that bitch.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know what I'm saying?
donald cerrone
Sure.
joe rogan
There's some people out there that, like, that girl doesn't have any loser in her.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
She figures out a way to win.
donald cerrone
Win her whole life.
joe rogan
Her mother is a bad motherfucker, too.
Can you say that?
A mother's a bad motherfucker, but I say that with all due respect.
donald cerrone
Motherfucker is used as loosely as cunt is for Australian.
joe rogan
Or English.
donald cerrone
English.
joe rogan
English is a term of endearment.
He's a good cunt.
donald cerrone
I was with these wild fishers.
He was just with me today, and that's all he says.
You fucking cunt, you cheeky cunt.
joe rogan
You cheeky cunt.
unidentified
You drive that R.A.M. 350, you fucking cunt.
joe rogan
What's an R.A.M. 350?
donald cerrone
A Ram 3500. He don't know how...
joe rogan
I thought it was some kind of crazy...
donald cerrone
Right?
No.
It's a Ram.
A Ram truck.
joe rogan
They don't even have those over there.
I have a buddy who lives in Australia.
unidentified
Bro.
joe rogan
It's the biggest truck you can get is like a Toyota Tacoma.
donald cerrone
These guys are...
A Tundra or something.
So we're at a bar in Vegas and they just tell these guys, hey, you cunts.
And I'm like, if I would say, hey, you cunts, I'll get thrown out of the bar.
joe rogan
Well, worldly folks know that it's different to them.
donald cerrone
He'd be like, hey, barmaid.
Hey, barmaid.
Bring more around, you cunt.
unidentified
Oh.
She would just...
donald cerrone
I mean, I don't know if she could understand him, but I was like, what is going on here?
joe rogan
Did you tell him that cunt is different for us civilized folk here in the modern world?
They're living in the 50s over there.
It's like a John Wayne movie.
unidentified
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
I love Australia, man.
I fucking love going there, too.
I'm looking forward to Melbourne.
donald cerrone
I've never been to Melbourne.
Yeah, Kyle Noak's fighting there.
joe rogan
Is he?
Is he fighting that card?
donald cerrone
Fighting at the ranch.
joe rogan
I like that dude.
donald cerrone
Yes, Kyle Noak.
Strong dude.
joe rogan
Kyle Noak, wasn't he a bodyguard to the Crocodile Hunter?
donald cerrone
Yeah, he was.
joe rogan
Isn't that crazy?
donald cerrone
We talk about it all the time.
Absolutely.
You want to know even a crazier fucking story?
So Kyle Noak and Jonathan Webb just signed to the UFC, trained the...
Jonathan, who had to be at the ranch, came and trained Kyle for his fight the entire way.
Kyle's opponent got pulled out, and they called Jonathan and had him take the fight.
So they trained for each other the entire fucking eight weeks, and then fought each other.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, so they have to fight each other or they did fight each other?
Where'd they fight?
donald cerrone
In Australia.
joe rogan
Who won that fight?
donald cerrone
Kyle won.
joe rogan
Wow.
Damn.
donald cerrone
That's hard, right?
And Jonovan looked spectacular, man.
It was unbelievable.
It was crazy.
For all of us, like coaching and internal guys, it was like, what?
But Kyle tells Jonovan, you idiot, if you don't take the fight.
You know what I mean?
They're giving you a fight in the UFC. All you want to do is, you stupid son of a bitch, take the fight.
Have you had that happen to you?
Other than Benson, I mean, I fought Melvin Gallard.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's right.
You trained with Melvin.
donald cerrone
Many years, yeah, very many years.
joe rogan
There was some psychological warfare in that fight, too.
donald cerrone
Sure.
joe rogan
Because you said that Melvin used to quit in training.
You're like, I'm going to make him quit again.
donald cerrone
Yeah, absolutely.
Why not?
Psychological war.
Psychological war.
joe rogan
On your friend, too, right?
donald cerrone
On your friend.
Doggy dog.
But the son of a bitch came out and whammered, dammered me, didn't he?
unidentified
Yeah, he was like, whoa!
joe rogan
Was it left hook?
donald cerrone
Son of a bitch!
Hold up here!
joe rogan
Yeah.
Was that the hardest time you've ever been hit?
I think you said in one of those UFC countdown things, that was the hardest time you've ever been hit.
donald cerrone
Other than Leonard training, yeah.
I was one of them.
joe rogan
Is that a training?
Jesus Christ.
donald cerrone
The dude, rock on a rope.
Other than that, but...
joe rogan
Rock on a rope.
That's hilarious.
unidentified
Rock on a rope.
joe rogan
People don't know what you're talking about.
If you had a rock on the end of a rope and just swung it, that's the way Leonard throws punches.
Rock on a rope.
donald cerrone
A rock on a rope.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I mean, you know, there's a great video where Connor, love him or hate him, is teaching when he's coaching this season, the Ultimate Fighter, and they're doing these real specific drills, and he said a cool thing that I think John Cavanaugh says.
He said, this is upgrading your software without damaging your hardware.
There's two schools of thought, right?
There's that school of thought, like fight smart, train smart, and then there's a school of thought where you ride jet skis over the top of cliffs the day before you fight.
Oh, we made weight.
Let's go fucking swim with sharks.
I mean, that's your school of thought.
It's sort of a different school of thought.
donald cerrone
Very much so, yeah.
joe rogan
How hard training sessions are you having in camp?
Are you guys going full out?
donald cerrone
Sure, sure.
I mean...
Some days, some days not.
joe rogan
Some days not.
donald cerrone
I may wake up on a Tuesday like I'm not feeling it, and I'll go fucking wakeboard.
joe rogan
You just decided not to train.
donald cerrone
Yeah, I mean, I got all the guys, all my coaches right there, and they've been with me for so long that they just say, okay.
joe rogan
So, you know, a lot of people think that that actually is a smart thing, that that's active recovery.
donald cerrone
If I'm sore and I'm tired, I'll call it.
Today's not the day.
joe rogan
But you like to still do things, though?
donald cerrone
Oh, yeah.
I mean, we go rock climbing, wakeboarding.
joe rogan
Right, but if you think about that, like, so you're still working.
You're still moving your body.
donald cerrone
Right.
joe rogan
You're not taking a day and just sleeping.
donald cerrone
Man, there's been, I don't know how many days in my life that I've just done nothing but slept.
Look at today's day.
I got off the plane, went surfing, trained old boy, now I'm here.
That's just your thing.
joe rogan
You're just always moving.
donald cerrone
Running and gunning, baby.
joe rogan
I love it, man.
I love it.
donald cerrone
I mean, that's just, that's my, that's how I'm geared.
I just have, I have, and my friends have to take breaks.
They tell me all the time, like, cowboy, I got a week for you.
After that, We gotta tag team somebody else in because we can't keep this fucking pace.
You're too much.
You go, go, go, go, go.
There's days that I'll train, wakeboard all day, and come back and train.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
But you're enjoying it, so you're getting a rush the whole time.
donald cerrone
So the way I look at life right now is I'm retired now.
Because when I quit making money and it's time to properly retire, I'm not going to have any money.
So going to Fiji and go scuba diving is like, oh, what's scuba diving?
My favorite thing.
I'm going 400 feet.
joe rogan
All you need is a good financial advisor.
All you need is someone who you trust to take care of your money and handle shit and make sure you And say what?
donald cerrone
And say what?
The goddamn money?
Have you ever seen a herge with a trailer hitch?
joe rogan
This is what I'm saying.
donald cerrone
Have you ever seen a herge with a trailer hitch?
All right.
joe rogan
But if you just stay being a cowboy, we just need to figure out a way to get this out.
You don't ever have to work again a day in your life.
When you're done fighting, you're not going to be broke.
You just need the right guy to steer you.
You're a fucking...
donald cerrone
I got my grandma.
I call her all the time.
joe rogan
Maybe she's the gal.
donald cerrone
She is.
joe rogan
Perfect.
donald cerrone
I ask her what I should do, and she says, fucking ride it till the wheels burn off the motherfucker.
joe rogan
You just need to let people know you're out there.
That's all you need to do.
I mean, what you've got, what you are, I mean, I'm not blowing you.
donald cerrone
I'm retired now.
joe rogan
What you are is like what everybody wants out of their superheroes.
donald cerrone
What you are is what everybody wants out of their- Why are I retired when I'm 50?
And I'm old as fuck and I can't wakeboard, but I'm trying?
joe rogan
When fans see a guy like, that's what everybody wants.
They want a guy who's just living like a fucking wild man and going in there.
There's something appealing to that.
donald cerrone
There's something appealing- It's called live a life worth living.
joe rogan
But there's something appealing to the Spartan too, right?
There's something appealing to the guys willing to not have sex, shut out all distractions, put a fucking poster on his wall, write down his goals, some Dan Gable type dude who's just stoic and fucking never-ending and indomitable spirit and this guy just doesn't do anything bad for his body.
donald cerrone
Hey brother, you wanna go fucking...
Wakeboarding with me is like, man, I'm fucking in the zone.
And I'm like, what's the zone we were talking about when you're behind?
No, that's not today.
That's in your fight.
Let's go have some fun today.
And I said, well, all right, I'm going to go have some fun.
joe rogan
It's a balance, right?
It's trying to figure out what's the best way to do it.
What's the best way to do it?
Because, like, Dan Gabel, I brought up.
donald cerrone
Did you play football?
joe rogan
No, never played football.
Steered away from that shit.
donald cerrone
Okay, so you hear the guys that are still 35, 40 years old talking about that game.
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
That they had.
joe rogan
Yep.
donald cerrone
I think that's what I search for every day.
You know, like, fighting is fucking, I love it.
I get it six times a year if I'm lucky.
And this year, I get it one time.
So, I think that's why I do the things I do because it gives me that feeling that I'm searching for.
That scared, what am I doing, oh my god feeling.
joe rogan
Well, you like proving yourself and you like adventure.
And those are two things that a lot of people shy away from.
donald cerrone
I mean, if you...
joe rogan
You know?
donald cerrone
Competition.
If you came right now and said you're a better bowhunter than me, I'd be able...
Set the motherfucking target.
Let's go.
Let's do it.
Well, that's also the only way you get good at anything.
joe rogan
People shy away from that.
There's only one way.
You surround yourself with bad motherfuckers who are doing exactly what you do, and you force yourself to keep up.
And you all inspire each other.
donald cerrone
That is the problem in this sport.
Because I see that in the gym all the time.
You see the guys...
Sparring day comes, or grappling day comes, you see all the guys finding the guy they know they can beat.
They don't go after the guy that kills them.
Me?
I want you, motherfucker.
Right.
joe rogan
You want the toughest challenge?
donald cerrone
Oh, you the baddest, dude?
Let's go.
Fuck me up.
joe rogan
You want the one that's gonna stir you up inside.
donald cerrone
Yes, fucking burn me.
Where you submit me three times in five minutes, not gonna happen again.
You know what I mean?
That's how I think.
You fucking fuck me up?
I'm calling my coaches like, I just got fucked up.
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
Let's fix this problem.
unidentified
Right, right.
donald cerrone
So that's, I mean, I want the guys that push me.
I need those.
I need that in my life.
joe rogan
Well, when you get to the level that you're at, too, you also realize that those guys that push you are the reason why you put in that extra effort that takes you to the top of your ability.
And there's a few guys that we all know that never...
Quite reach the top of their ability like you hear about them in the gym.
They're fucking on fire They just have that you know they have they have days with their world beaters and for whatever reason They don't ever get it together in the moment of crisis gym heroes.
donald cerrone
Yeah, right absolutely.
It's this sport is unbelievable man, it's like a You have to be able to go out there and fight at your best every single day.
joe rogan
And you have to execute under insane pressure.
That's the most admirable quality about it.
You know, like, sometimes when I look around, like, that was one of the craziest things about Ronda's fight, was after she knocked out Betch Gaheya, she just strutted around the cage and looked up at everybody, just took it all in.
She strutted, she just face-planted that chick on a straight-out-of-Compton ad, okay?
I mean, she really did.
donald cerrone
Which the movie was fucking unbelievable.
joe rogan
I didn't see the movie.
donald cerrone
You haven't seen the movie?
joe rogan
No, I didn't see the movie.
unidentified
It's great.
joe rogan
I'm sure it's great.
unidentified
It's great.
joe rogan
But the fact that she face-planted her on that and then just walked around...
Like, that moment.
Like, that moment.
Who the fuck understands that moment but her?
Who are you?
Or anybody who experiences it.
You know, the moment where...
You know think of like the Edson Barboza fight when you crack him with that jab and then take his back like that moment when he taps and you stand up and the whole crowd goes fucking apeshit because it was chaos up until that moment right he came out guns blazing then you caught him with that jab he went down you got his back and strangled him that moment man when you were in the fire in that moment Barboza says he blinks but in that moment About 20 seconds before that moment, I know I got him.
How'd you know?
donald cerrone
Because he hit me with fucking everything he had in the kitchen sink, and when he unloaded, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, kicked me as hard as he could, and I just stood there, and he looked at his corner and was like, now what?
I was like, gotcha.
Wow.
joe rogan
So you saw a moment of thinking, a moment of contemplation.
donald cerrone
I got it.
I got you.
joe rogan
He's a talented motherfucker.
donald cerrone
Super talented.
Absolutely.
joe rogan
That switch kick that he was hitting Paul Felder with was the fastest switch kick I've ever seen in my life.
I've never seen anybody throw it like that.
Hard and fast.
unidentified
Like, Jesus fucking Christ!
joe rogan
Mark Henry and him...
donald cerrone
Paul's a ginger, so it's showing a little bit more than...
joe rogan
He could be a black dude.
He could be black like Czech Congo.
You would have been impressed by that kick.
That kick was insane.
He's so fast, man.
His coach, Mark Henry, that's a guy who's like one of the most underappreciated guys in the sport.
donald cerrone
And after the fight, they came in and said, man, we studied Paul to a tee.
We took this fight so serious, you know?
joe rogan
Dude, he's a wizard, that guy.
He's unsung.
He's like a really quiet guy.
He doesn't want a lot of attention.
But I admire the fuck out of the way that guy coaches Frankie Edgar, the way that guy...
donald cerrone
How about Connor and Frankie?
I love Frankie.
Ooh, I love that fight.
Have you ever seen the guy when he goes, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, and fuck you?
That's why I feel like what happened at the press conference.
Because all he said to Frankie was, you're welcome.
That was it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
donald cerrone
So I felt like the fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, and fuck you.
That's what would happen.
Because...
The ability of level change that he puts with his box.
joe rogan
I love Frankie.
donald cerrone
I love Frankie.
joe rogan
Frankie will set.
You've got to run an ultra marathon with him.
You've got to be willing to go to the depths of your ability.
And there's a guy that fought at 55 undersized and won the fucking title.
donald cerrone
Always.
Crazy.
joe rogan
Won the title undersized.
He was so much smaller than BJ. So much smaller than a lot of the guys he beat.
Had those tough fights with Henderson.
That fight with Cub Swanson, I was like, good lord, that fucking pace he puts on people.
He's like, he's taking it to the next level.
When I talk about guys who put paces like that wrestlers break you pace, nobody like Frankie right now in the sport.
He's the epitome of that style of fighting.
Maybe Weidman could show it too in some fights if he gets the right opponent.
donald cerrone
How do you feel about the Weidman?
joe rogan
It's a crazy fight.
Rockhold's a bad motherfucker.
That's a crazy fight.
Rocco's jiu-jitsu is nasty, man.
The way he controlled Lyoto Machida, I was impressed as fuck.
I was like, Jesus Christ, his ground and pound, his control on the ground, he beat Lyoto Machida at every facet of the game.
And that was impressive as fuck to me.
That was a high-profile fight.
It was a big fight.
That impressed the fuck out of me.
You know, I think it's a great fight.
Weinman's a monster, man.
What do you think?
You're laughing.
donald cerrone
No, no, I... Rockwell's a dear friend of mine, so I... I love that dude.
I mean, he's out of Khabib's camp.
He's only...
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know.
donald cerrone
I like him.
joe rogan
I know about all that.
donald cerrone
Great dude.
joe rogan
Well, Khabib, you know, there's always going to be that thing going on between all you guys at the very top.
donald cerrone
Sure.
Why not?
Stir in the pot.
joe rogan
But again, like a guy like Khabib, you kind of need that motherfucker.
That guy, he's like a tank of propane out there for you.
You know?
He's going to hit that gym.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
donald cerrone
He's going to hit that gym.
joe rogan
That's the guy.
Because he's so fucking good.
I mean, you look at the way he manhandled Dos Anjos, I'm like, Jesus Christ.
Habib Nurmagomedov is a grappling motherfucker.
His wrestling, as someone who appreciates the guy's ability to impose his game plan, he impresses the fuck out of me.
donald cerrone
Absolutely.
joe rogan
That guy's a giant tank of propane for cowboy.
donald cerrone
That's it.
joe rogan
What a crazy way to make a living, man.
You got all these tanks of propane out there.
Anthony Pettis.
donald cerrone
That's it.
joe rogan
He's another propane tank.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Right?
donald cerrone
Anthony told me, Anthony said, Cowboy, if you need me to come down and train you for Dos Anjos, I hate that motherfucker.
unidentified
Really?
donald cerrone
I'll be there.
joe rogan
Wow.
donald cerrone
I said, Pettis, I might just hit you up on that.
joe rogan
Wow.
That would be a good thing, man.
He can give you some insight.
I love that dude.
donald cerrone
So do I. I mean, again, with Pettis, I got nothing bad.
I really don't have anything bad to say about any of the guys up at the top, you know?
It just...
joe rogan
Well, you know what, man?
Ultimately, outside of you guys competing against each other, you admire what it, because you uniquely know what it takes to be in the position that Anthony Pettis or Rafael Dos Anjos or Nate Diaz or, you know, fill in the blank.
All those guys, you uniquely know what it takes to be in.
It's a very small fraternity of guys at the elite level.
And your division, 155, is just chaos.
Like that whole division is like, look at it.
It's just killer after killer after killer.
donald cerrone
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Killer's coming up.
Fucking sharks just...
That's what 155 is, like someone throwing a goat in the water in South Africa and watching a fucking sea of sharks.
donald cerrone
Get it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, so it's cool to see that you guys, you know, reasonably are friendly with each other.
donald cerrone
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Considering.
donald cerrone
So what do you think about your boy, the Irish Muppet, coming up to 155?
joe rogan
Conor McGregor?
donald cerrone
Yeah.
unidentified
McNugget.
joe rogan
What did you say about him?
About kicking the Lucky Charms out of his ass?
donald cerrone
I said he came up to 155, I bent him over and fucking knocked the Lucky Charms out of his ass.
joe rogan
I don't know how that works.
It's like blowing on hot soup.
donald cerrone
So you wouldn't believe the uproar of the Irish community I got from that?
Well, what do you expect them to do to be silent?
joe rogan
I'd be more shocked.
donald cerrone
What if they didn't respond?
joe rogan
I'd be more nervous.
I'd be like, is my joke that bad?
donald cerrone
Me talking shit about a leprechaun is like you talking to me bad about Santa Claus.
Like, I wouldn't, like, oh, oh, you went there?
Like...
Come on!
unidentified
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Is a leprechaun like their sacred guy?
donald cerrone
It's like a unicorn.
Yeah, I don't know what it is, but a leprechaun is fictional.
joe rogan
It's a weird one.
Well, it is unless you take the right amount of mushrooms.
You can meet leprechauns.
donald cerrone
So, I mean, to me...
joe rogan
That's where it came from, you know.
donald cerrone
Conor is the leprechaun sitting on the big old tub of gold.
joe rogan
He is, right?
donald cerrone
Absolutely.
joe rogan
He's got a pot of gold for sure.
donald cerrone
So if you think I'm not going to come out of that pot of gold, I'm going.
Why not?
Come to 155. I got open arms, baby.
joe rogan
It would be a fun fight.
donald cerrone
I'd love it.
joe rogan
I think he really struggles to make 145, and I think with this new law where you can't use the IV, you know, when he fought Chad Mendes, man, at the weigh-in, he looked extremely drawn.
His cheeks were sucked in.
His body looked really small.
unidentified
Right.
donald cerrone
Staged.
joe rogan
It wasn't staged, but Uriah is not, like, he doesn't want to fight in the street with him right before he's going to fight, Chad.
donald cerrone
Why not?
I wish a motherfucker would.
joe rogan
I know you do, but what Uriah had said was that he said, dude, he feels really small.
Like, he loses a lot of weight.
I think he loses, like, close to 30 pounds or 25 pounds.
He gets up to, like, 170 in the normal, in the 170 range.
So 155 is where he belongs, really.
You know, that's probably the healthy weight class for him.
donald cerrone
And how do you feel about Aldo and him?
joe rogan
It's a wild fight.
It's a wild fight.
You know, I didn't...
unidentified
Can you deal with the kicks?
joe rogan
I tell you what, man.
Aldo has been around for so long.
donald cerrone
We're jumping.
This is jumping in.
unidentified
We're jumping from guns to religion to pre-biblical to...
joe rogan
We're just talking, man.
That's how it goes.
donald cerrone
We're jumping.
joe rogan
This isn't like a radio show or anything.
donald cerrone
Like a kangaroo fucking Australian cunt.
Yeah, fucking...
joe rogan
The whole thing, man.
Budweiser.
unidentified
Budweiser.
donald cerrone
We're in there.
joe rogan
Weed.
Um, I think if you- Callan says he's locked out.
donald cerrone
Did you lock the fucking door?
joe rogan
Callan's out there?
donald cerrone
Yeah, I'm gonna get him.
joe rogan
Is he out there right now?
donald cerrone
Yeah, you got him.
joe rogan
Is he really?
Jamie will go get him.
donald cerrone
He said I'm locked out.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
donald cerrone
Tell him we're coming.
joe rogan
Yeah, don't worry.
donald cerrone
I love this dude.
joe rogan
I'll give him a key, shit.
He's done, uh, he's done podcasts here without me.
He's one of the few guys, him and Brendan Schaub, they had a Fight Companion podcast.
But, um, What were we just saying?
What the fuck were we just talking about?
donald cerrone
We were talking about Leprechaun.
joe rogan
Oh, no, the Aldo fight.
Oh, look who it is, ladies and gentlemen!
My man!
Brian Callan has just unexpectedly showed up.
We have a big show tonight at the ISO. Yes, we do.
bryan callen
What time do I have to be out of here?
joe rogan
We're good, man.
We'll leave here like, you know, half an hour or so.
bryan callen
Fantastic.
joe rogan
It's just you and me.
It's like the show can't start without us.
donald cerrone
That's true.
Look at this.
bryan callen
Look at how tan Donald is.
joe rogan
We're doing the Ventura, what is it, the Hong Kong?
bryan callen
We're going to be at the Hong Kong Inn.
We've got two shows, 8 o'clock and 10 o'clock.
I think we're headlining the festival or something.
joe rogan
There's a festival in the Hong Kong Chinese Restaurant Festival?
bryan callen
The Ventura Comedy Festival.
unidentified
Who booked?
joe rogan
You didn't even know.
You booked.
I let him book things.
bryan callen
Why not?
donald cerrone
He likes money.
bryan callen
I know.
They pay us money.
unidentified
I love money.
bryan callen
What's going on, buddy?
joe rogan
We were just talking about Aldo vs.
McGregor.
We were talking about...
He asked me what I thought about that fight.
bryan callen
Yeah.
I'm curious.
donald cerrone
I'm curious about the sexy cow and the hammer.
joe rogan
Sexy cow and the hammer?
bryan callen
What do you mean?
What do you mean, the sexy cow and the hammer?
joe rogan
Where's the sexy cow and the hammer?
donald cerrone
Nothing.
He's drunk.
joe rogan
A little bit.
bryan callen
It's code.
joe rogan
It's just a little booze.
bryan callen
I want to know...
What do you think?
I think McGregor's in his head.
joe rogan
He might be, but he might not be.
Aldo might be able to fight like a fucking assassin, even under all the shit-talking.
No one's ever shit-talked him before, so we don't know.
We don't know how he's going to fight.
But we know the guy hasn't lost in 10 years.
We know the guy's been beating some of the best guys in the world.
And if you look at him when he's on point, you look at his fight with Uriah, for instance.
Some fucking terrifying leg kicks.
Fast as shit.
Yeah.
Fast as shit and his jiu-jitsu, world class.
His jiu-jitsu is very high level.
You know, he beat Cobrina in regular jiu-jitsu, a regular jiu-jitsu competition.
bryan callen
He's a beast.
joe rogan
He's a very good fighter in all aspects.
I mean, one of the best ever.
bryan callen
I feel like he's in his head.
I know that trash talk wouldn't work on Don Cerrone.
Am I kidding?
joe rogan
But we were talking about that earlier.
You're coming in too late for this conversation.
bryan callen
You're already talking about this stuff.
joe rogan
We already went over it.
You're talking about the Nate Diaz fight.
donald cerrone
We're jumping.
We're jumpers here.
joe rogan
We jump.
Time travel.
donald cerrone
Time travel.
unidentified
I like it.
donald cerrone
We come and go.
joe rogan
It's a great fight.
Also, I got to...
Be honest like I look at Aldo and even though Aldo has been Dominant for so long as one of the best fighters He's had a lot of tough fights and those eventually will catch up to you It's like the Chad Mendez fight the last fight was a really good fight.
It was like a back-and-forth fight and Mendez Mendes hit him with some fucking bombs.
It was a great back-and-forth fight, and he tagged Mendes with a big shot at the end of the first round.
I think the buzzer rang, and then he hit him.
It was a little late.
It wasn't egregious, but it was a little late, and it fucked Mendes up, and Mendes still came back and cracked him.
It was a back-and-forth war.
It was a very close fight.
bryan callen
Has Aldo fought anyone who hits as hard as McGregor?
joe rogan
Well, Chad Mendez hits pretty fucking hard, but I think Connor may have some special power, not like a magic power, but I think he's one of those guys that just really has super heavy hands.
bryan callen
He's also accurate as hell, right?
joe rogan
He's just very smart, man.
The way he fights is very, very intelligent.
You know, I was joking around with Donald about his training methods that he calls it, him and John Cavanaugh's co-host, they described it as upgrading your software without damaging your hardware.
So they're doing all these really technical drills on hitting specific points, but they're not crushing each other.
They're just drilling it into the mind and getting...
And Donald has more of a wild style.
donald cerrone
Who's out there?
bryan callen
I feel like Donald's changed.
I feel like you stand in people's grill more now.
You just stand right there like you could give a shit.
unidentified
You know how fucking cool this is?
donald cerrone
Two of my favorite comedians in one fucking room.
I'm like, do you know how people kill for this situation right now?
joe rogan
Donald Cerrone was in the crowd when I taped my Comedy Central special in Denver.
bryan callen
Well, the first time I met Donald, he came.
I met him the night before, then he came, and I just saw his hat going back and forth as he was laughing.
I just saw your hat.
It was the greatest.
donald cerrone
I had a nine pack after I left the show.
Joe, you know what I'm gonna do for you?
joe rogan
What are you going to do?
donald cerrone
You have fucking VCT in your fucking bathroom in there.
joe rogan
VCT? What is that?
donald cerrone
The shitty cheap tile you got in there.
joe rogan
The tile?
donald cerrone
Yeah.
joe rogan
On the floor?
donald cerrone
On the floor.
And the shitty paintbrush job in there.
joe rogan
But this isn't mine.
This is like a lease.
donald cerrone
I'm going to come in here and fucking hook...
I'm not going to pull a permit and I'm going to fucking...
joe rogan
Don't.
unidentified
Don't do it.
bryan callen
Are you just going to lay tile?
donald cerrone
I'm moving out of your hands.
I'm going to lay tile.
I might bite the tile to cut it.
bryan callen
That's great.
joe rogan
I'm getting a new spot.
donald cerrone
New spot.
It's a great spot.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm never satisfied.
I have real problems.
I'm never happy with anything.
bryan callen
I'm the same way.
joe rogan
I don't know what it is.
bryan callen
You're worse than me.
joe rogan
I'm the worst.
bryan callen
Always moving.
joe rogan
Almost happy with everything.
Unhappy with everything I do.
bryan callen
Yeah, I'm always that way.
donald cerrone
Is that a mummy dancing with a wolf?
joe rogan
No, that's a werewolf fucking a gorilla in the ass.
bryan callen
That's exactly what that is.
donald cerrone
Oh, I got it.
joe rogan
I had a dream.
I wish I knew the dude who made that.
bryan callen
I hope you howl at the moon every time you're in that position.
What?
joe rogan
That would be a big woman.
If you could grab the back of her shoulders like that, either have a whopper of a dick, or that's a really big woman.
bryan callen
I had an affair with a girl who was on the Canadian National Water Polo Team.
joe rogan
Oh, Jesus.
bryan callen
She had a back on her, and she had a neck, but she had a really nice body, and she was really pretty.
And her hands...
Go ahead, man.
You're so strong.
joe rogan
You're not even drinking.
bryan callen
Damn.
Her hands, what threw me off was just the knuckles.
joe rogan
How big they were?
bryan callen
The thickness of her fingers as we would hold hands.
I was like, boy, I feel like a dainty young lady right now.
joe rogan
Do you know who Gabby Garcia is?
donald cerrone
So what you're saying is your dick looked shamelessly tiny in her hands.
bryan callen
No, no, he's a monster hog.
No, what I'm saying is her dick was way bigger than mine.
joe rogan
Kids got a hog on him.
bryan callen
I got a hog on me.
joe rogan
There was a there's a woman named Gabby Garcia still is but she used to be overweight and she's like world jiu-jitsu champion and she used to have this giant crazy face well she lost all her body fat and then I guess she might have had some facial surgery but all of a sudden she's a giant hot chick It's real weird.
She's got a full six-pack.
Pull up Gabby Garcia before and after.
bryan callen
I've seen her before.
joe rogan
Listen, I don't know what she did, but whatever she did, that took a lot of fucking work.
She went from being a big, giant, fat woman who's a beast at jiu-jitsu, but she was very overweight, to being super slim.
She always has these exposed midriff shirts, and she's rocking this fucking ridiculous six-pack.
She's just 6'4".
6'4"?
Fuck yeah, Johnny Cash.
My dog's named Johnny Cash.
unidentified
I love it.
bryan callen
Six foot four.
donald cerrone
Jump in.
We're jumping again.
bryan callen
Where do you spend most of your time?
unidentified
Colorado?
Yeah.
donald cerrone
New Mexico.
But I'm going to see Grandma tomorrow.
She's listening live right now.
Tell her hello.
bryan callen
Hey, Grandma.
unidentified
How are you?
bryan callen
You never know how to say to grandmas.
You know what I mean?
Hey, grandma.
donald cerrone
How are you?
So, grandma comes backstage.
joe rogan
See, this is what she looks like now.
That's what she used to look like.
bryan callen
That's impressive.
It's a different person.
joe rogan
Yeah, it totally looks like a different person.
donald cerrone
She looks pretty.
Nick and the other one.
joe rogan
I don't know if she had facial surgery, but it seems like she did.
bryan callen
She is just a true specimen.
Look at that.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
It's weird.
donald cerrone
So you would.
joe rogan
She's giant, too.
I mean, she's like six foot four.
There's a picture of her with Fedor, and it's like, holy fuck.
She's so much bigger than him.
bryan callen
Look at her now.
joe rogan
See if you find a picture of Gabby Garcia and Fedor.
unidentified
Wow.
bryan callen
It's like a real recent picture.
She's dwarfing Vandalais over there.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was when they were on the Ultimate Fighter Brazil.
bryan callen
But here's the thing, man.
Vandale looks like she won him in a carnival.
joe rogan
That was only a couple years ago, dude.
It wasn't that long ago.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
It just was really simple.
Really similar.
Recent.
donald cerrone
How many beers have you had?
joe rogan
I've had a few.
Far right.
Far right.
bryan callen
Shredded.
donald cerrone
Shredded.
unidentified
Bam.
joe rogan
Look at that.
That's her.
Look at that body, man.
bryan callen
Look at Donald.
Yeah, that's a big girl.
Is that her boyfriend?
Oh, that's Fedor.
joe rogan
That's Fedor, dude.
bryan callen
Dude, that sure is Fedor.
donald cerrone
How dare you, is that her boyfriend?
bryan callen
I hear he's looking good.
joe rogan
Well, he's back.
He's making a comeback.
He's gonna fight in Japan.
The problem is, there's no fucking opponents for him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, there's...
I don't know who the hell else is like...
I'll fight him.
How much time would you need to fight Fedor?
donald cerrone
How much time would you need to fight Fedor?
bryan callen
He's amazing.
unidentified
For real?
donald cerrone
I have 100%.
If he walked in right now, threw the fucking ape getting fucked by a werewolf on the ground, I'll get him and fuck Fedor up.
Not a doubt in my mind.
joe rogan
Wow.
bryan callen
You just fight him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm scared of Russians.
I'll say it right now.
bryan callen
So am I. I'm scared.
unidentified
Why?
donald cerrone
Because of ISIS? For everything.
joe rogan
Did you see this new thing with Putin?
Putin took $15 billion from this guy, stole this guy's company, and then the guy's exiled in the south of France, and now he's suing the Russian government.
donald cerrone
Back to suing.
We're back to suing.
unidentified
Good luck with that.
joe rogan
This guy, they took $15 billion.
He was like Putin's banker.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
He was like Putin's right-hand man for years, and now this guy is like penniless.
donald cerrone
$15 billion.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's penniless.
bryan callen
Well, I can always say a billion seconds is 33 years.
joe rogan
The guy says that Putin is the most wealthy man in the world.
He said he has more control over more money than anyone on the planet.
He might not be on paper, but they're saying that he might be worth like $200 billion.
bryan callen
Well, yeah, because Russia is a one-crop economy.
It's all oil.
Guess who controls it?
You don't do anything without that.
joe rogan
How does he do that, though?
bryan callen
Russian politics has always been that way.
It's always been run by a czar.
It's always been run really by a group of, you know, he used to be the Politburo, but for the most part, he's just doing what the old Russian model was, which was get the biggest guns on my side and I'll kill him.
joe rogan
But it's 2015. I mean, isn't it crazy when you see a guy who's running like essentially a complete undercover gangster organization?
bryan callen
It's a monarchy.
joe rogan
Yeah, dominating the entire country.
bryan callen
He apparently, when they were trying to attract investment in the 90s, the problem was American companies, German companies, French companies coming in, and these gangsters, these Russian guys would come in and go, hey, you gotta pay us money.
And a couple of them said no, and they just shot him right there in the office.
So Putin decided this was going to be a disaster for any kind of foreign investment.
So Putin said, all right, well, I know how to deal with this.
We know exactly where they are.
And when they were having the mafia guys hang out together in their own clubhouses or whatever, he had these Spetsnaz guys show up in their vans.
They just show up in the middle of the day, open up, grrrr, And just killed a shitload of them, like 100, 200 in one day.
They had a moment of silence, apparently, before he had his, uh, before he had his, his, uh, whatever it was, you know, his meeting.
They had a moment of silence for the 200 citizens that were killed, and they went on their business.
And that was the message to anybody who said, you want to shake down foreign companies, see what the fuck happens.
They still didn't invest, though.
But he's, he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't fuck around.
unidentified
He's a scary dude.
joe rogan
Donald Cerrone will fight him tomorrow.
donald cerrone
Tomorrow.
bryan callen
Yeah, he would.
joe rogan
Tonight.
bryan callen
He's a black belt in judo.
joe rogan
Whatever.
donald cerrone
Stop.
You're a black belt in a hood.
joe rogan
Everyone's from a street.
I hate that expression.
Who's not from the street?
I was born in the meadow.
I grew up in the river.
donald cerrone
I'm not from the street.
I was born with a giant silver spoon in my mouth.
joe rogan
There's no roads where I live, bro.
I'm in the forest.
bryan callen
Who do you want to punch in the face more than anybody on the planet?
joe rogan
Are you interviewing him?
bryan callen
I'm taking over right now.
donald cerrone
The guy from Whole Foods.
joe rogan
Shitty fucking question.
bryan callen
Hey, with your shitty questions.
The guy from Whole Foods.
joe rogan
It was a previous story.
The guy punched him.
Whole Foods parking lot.
bryan callen
You're fucking late.
donald cerrone
You're fucking late.
bryan callen
You're telling that story.
joe rogan
What made you decide to come over here?
bryan callen
He was texting me.
joe rogan
Oh, why didn't you tell me that you were texting him?
donald cerrone
Because I thought it would be more appealing to have three Well, why don't you just tell me?
Two of my favorite people in the world.
joe rogan
He's one of my favorite people, too.
He's making secret texts while we're in the middle of a podcast.
bryan callen
Like a couple of lovers.
joe rogan
He's calling.
bryan callen
Come on over.
Come crash this party.
joe rogan
We're getting fucked up.
donald cerrone
He said the door's locked.
I'll send you one right in.
bryan callen
I'm locked out.
joe rogan
You want a key?
You can have a key at this place.
bryan callen
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
bryan callen
Just to hang out.
joe rogan
Sure.
donald cerrone
Play a pool.
Play a werewolf.
Do people know about the badass werewolf you have outside?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's pictures of it.
It used to be, before I got the pool table, it used to be the werewolf was the first thing you saw when you opened the door.
And I was like, I need to put a go cam on the top of the werewolf.
donald cerrone
That was the first thing I saw when I came in.
I was like, werewolf, cool.
Oh, pool table.
bryan callen
That thing is scary.
joe rogan
Do you play pool?
You must play pool.
donald cerrone
I do have a pool table at the ranch.
I have a bar that I built.
I have every alcohol you could ever believe of.
Because I don't want ever someone to come over.
Yeah, kegs, boxes, cases.
I don't want you to come over and say, come and pour me this, and I don't have it.
bryan callen
Damn.
That's gangster.
joe rogan
See, this gets to you psychologically, because I know your background, like how you grew up, and you're creating this environment at that ranch that's not just a training environment, but a place where you're trying to give these guys hospitality and bring them into a family situation, aren't you?
donald cerrone
It's a lot like Neverland Ranch.
joe rogan
Neverland?
bryan callen
Neverland?
joe rogan
But not as much motherfucking.
donald cerrone
We're a bunch of boys coming to hang out.
bryan callen
Not as much boo-fling.
joe rogan
Not as much.
Jared is what they're calling it today.
bryan callen
Not as much boy play.
Yeah, how about Jared?
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know what I'm saying?
It's like because your grandparents raised you and you're a wild kid and you didn't feel like you've had that thing when you were talking earlier about trainers that wouldn't put their name on you.
Now you're doing the total opposite of that.
donald cerrone
The total opposite, absolutely.
joe rogan
I appreciate that, man.
donald cerrone
Absolutely, the total opposite.
And yeah, if guys call me that I can afford it, I say, don't worry about it.
I got you.
Let's go ahead.
bryan callen
So what do you do then?
joe rogan
What's the ranch?
You're coming in late, bro!
Damn it!
Jesus, bad motherfucker ranch.
donald cerrone
He built it.
joe rogan
Grandpa bought some property.
Happiest moment of his life.
Tears almost came to his eye during the podcast.
Builds a place.
Doesn't get permits.
Fucks up because he has the bunk bed set up.
Oh shit, now what do we do?
Now people are sleeping in a barn.
Keep propane.
If you keep the propane on, it costs $1,500 a night.
bryan callen
This is a lot of work.
joe rogan
He doesn't have any power out there, man.
He's got tanks of flammable liquid, and he's shooting guns everywhere.
The whole thing is ridiculous.
He shows me all these guns he's got.
donald cerrone
Do you know if you shoot a propane tank with a gun, it will not blow up?
bryan callen
Is that true?
donald cerrone
Absolutely true.
In the movies, it does.
It does in the movies.
It will not blow up, though.
bryan callen
I had a Navy SEAL tell me when you throw a grenade, there's no fire.
You just hear pop, and there's no smoke, which I was amazed at.
joe rogan
Well, that's annoying.
What about the Chuck Norris movies where there's always an explosion?
donald cerrone
Is Chuck Norris still the coolest dude alive or no?
joe rogan
I met him and I was more happy than I've been when I met anybody ever.
bryan callen
The first time I met him, I was upset.
donald cerrone
I met Chris Hansen and I was pretty happy.
unidentified
Chris Hansen?
joe rogan
You met him in the right spot.
He's like, I'm so nice to meet you here in public in a bar.
Instead of in a fucking hotel room with a 14 year old.
donald cerrone
Back to Chuck Norris.
joe rogan
I met him in the World Combat League.
Remember he used to have that kickboxing organization?
donald cerrone
They fought in a bowl.
joe rogan
I met him there and just the fact that Chuck Norris knew who I was and gave me a big hug.
I was like, God damn it.
donald cerrone
He didn't put his boot up to your face and be like, read the bottom of my boot.
unidentified
What's he saying?
joe rogan
He had the shoelace crotch thing.
Remember those?
Kickboxing pants with the shoelaces?
donald cerrone
Texas Ranger motherfucking what?
bryan callen
Well, I remember Superfoot Wallace used to have jeans that he advertised in the back of comic books.
joe rogan
Yeah, well Chuck Norris did too.
It was Chuck Norris, I think, more than Superfoot.
donald cerrone
Chuck Norris has posters of badass shit that you have to...
Think about if your life is that cool.
That's Chuck Norris.
joe rogan
He's a super nice guy too, man.
There was a thing, a banquet for a karate guy who was a famous karate instructor and he was one of Chuck Norris' friends.
So I sat in on it.
They wanted me to sit and give a speech.
Everybody gave speeches.
All these old school black belt guys gave speeches and Chuck Norris gave a speech.
I just sat next to Chuck Norris and talked for an hour and a half.
We just talked about the old days of the karate tournaments and the old days of kickboxing and, you know, what it was like to hang out with Bruce Lee.
It was one of the best moments of my life.
donald cerrone
You didn't hit him with any Chuck Norris lines?
Like, Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the earth away from him?
bryan callen
How many questions does Chuck Norris do?
joe rogan
I couldn't annoy him with any of that.
donald cerrone
All of them, you know what?
Why not?
That would have been like an opening line.
joe rogan
I just knew, first of all, how many times do you ever get a chance to sit and actually right next to Chuck Norris in a public setting.
donald cerrone
That's how I feel at this moment right here.
That's how I feel at this moment right now.
bryan callen
We feel the same way.
joe rogan
So I'm sitting next to him, and it's just me and him talking.
You know, just me and Chuck Norris right next to each other for like a fucking hour.
I was like a little kid.
I saw Missing in Action in the fucking movie theater.
Lone Wolf McQuaid.
I was there for all those movies, dude.
bryan callen
I panicked.
I've panicked two times with celebrities that were really big.
I met Al Pacino, and I was talking to him, and I was like, just be cool, be cool, Brian, be cool, be cool.
Don't be an idiot.
Don't be spazzed.
I'll spazz out sometimes.
donald cerrone
Were you looking at yourself from a third person?
bryan callen
Kind of.
I was more staring at him.
He had a bandana on and he looked so cool.
He was 70. He looks amazing.
He's ageless.
How are you, Brian?
joe rogan
Where are you from, New York?
bryan callen
That's a good fucking album.
joe rogan
I've never done it before.
donald cerrone
That's very good.
bryan callen
I went like this and I kill myself.
I heard the words coming out of my mouth and I was like, Brian, stop, stop.
You're saying anything.
I go...
You know what's funny?
I go, don't say it, Brian, don't say it.
And I said to him, I go, I just watched Scarface.
unidentified
It was on TV. And he goes, and I go, I was like, no!
bryan callen
Inside, I was like, no!
But my face was saying it.
And then I go, I looked at him and he went like this.
He goes, oh boy.
And that's all he did.
joe rogan
And he hugged me.
bryan callen
He shook my hand and he put his shoulder against my chest.
I was like, oh, that's the coolest way to ever do anything.
I was like, see you later.
Then I meet Springsteen backstage.
I talk to him for a while.
I talk to his wife.
I'm a huge Bruce Springsteen fan.
Six months later with my dad in a bookstore in Idaho, in Sun Valley, Idaho.
And I hear his wife say, hi, how are you?
And I go, oh, Patty.
Hi.
She goes, what are you doing?
And I go, how's Bruce?
Thinking I'd known him because I talked to him for like an hour.
She goes, ask him yourself.
He's right here.
And I turn and he's looking at a book I've since read called Fiasco.
I remember he had his glasses on.
And I go, how you doing?
And he goes, I met you.
We talked backstage.
And all of a sudden I realized I folded my arms, but for whatever reason, my fucking arms...
We're really high, and my elbows were pointed right at him.
And in my mind, I was like, Brian, please let go of your arms.
Don't do this.
What are you doing?
And I go, and this is what I did.
I go, did you ski?
And he goes, usually we do, but this year we just let the kids do it, and we're just sitting.
And I went, And I meant to say, I fucking meant to say, I've been skiing all day, my feet are killing me, and I'm not going to ski anymore.
That's what I meant to say.
I've been skiing all day, my boots are shitty, I don't want to ski anymore.
And instead I went, with my fucking arms like this, I go, my feet are killing me.
And he just looked at me and there was a pause, I go...
I'll see you guys later, man!
And I've never lived that down.
But I'm sure they deal with that shit all the time.
Just holding myself like that.
joe rogan
Did you just have that same moment right now?
Like, during this podcast?
bryan callen
I feel embarrassed right now.
joe rogan
In the middle of what you're doing?
donald cerrone
Hey, do you guys get people when you take pictures that are trembling out of fucking control?
joe rogan
Yeah, sometimes that happens.
I've had a lot of nervous moments in my life.
I appreciate nerves.
bryan callen
Me too.
joe rogan
You know, it's no big deal.
You know, you can't help nerves.
donald cerrone
The guy with the camera, and he's like, Get the fucking camera working!
joe rogan
I fuck with people.
I fuck with people.
Come on, bitch.
What are you doing?
What the fuck is with that?
The fucking cat!
Get an iPhone, son!
I fuck with them, but I don't...
bryan callen
You deal with that.
donald cerrone
So the greatest domestic disputes that you will ever witness in your life is on a boat ramp.
I don't know if you guys have ever been on a boat ramp.
bryan callen
No.
donald cerrone
But the wife is driving the boat and the husband in the pickup and he's trying to fucking guide her on.
Left, left, no, no, back it up.
Or she's trying to snake the trailer down and he's sitting in the boat screaming at her snake in the trailer down while 30 other boats are trying to dock.
It's...
bryan callen
Damn.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Oh, that seems like a nightmare.
bryan callen
That's interesting, though.
donald cerrone
Next time I'm there, I'm gonna periscope it.
unidentified
Fuck, that's a nightmare.
donald cerrone
Because it is...
You would...
joe rogan
I never thought of that.
donald cerrone
Oh, it's unbelievable.
joe rogan
I just thought the boats were always in the water somehow.
bryan callen
You know who knows a lot about...
donald cerrone
It's the 4.30.
They've been drinking all day.
joe rogan
Right.
donald cerrone
Time to get the fuck out of the water.
bryan callen
Yes, yes.
donald cerrone
After the message dispute happens, and it is...
It's classic.
bryan callen
They say they're, and when, and realtors, realtors see a lot of dark shit between couples as they're looking for houses and deciding what they want, where they can't afford a fucking house.
donald cerrone
But she wants the house?
bryan callen
Oh yeah.
donald cerrone
Why is it the she that always wants it?
joe rogan
Dude, I had a conversation with my buddy about this recently.
He was talking about how his girlfriend hates where they live.
donald cerrone
There's the fucking stripper voice again.
joe rogan
She wants a fucking house.
donald cerrone
Pep it up!
joe rogan
That's not a stripper voice.
donald cerrone
You went from fucking interacting to...
joe rogan
I know a dude who's fucked, and I feel bad.
bryan callen
He's just bringing it down.
joe rogan
Poor dude is in some situation where the girl wants him to live over his means, you know, and it gets weird, you know, when she's like, we need a better house, we need to get a better house, and he can't really afford a better house, so he's scrambling.
That's a bad place to be.
bryan callen
A woman I know, a realtor, said they were looking at this house in New York City for $6 million.
joe rogan
It's probably about 1,300 square feet.
bryan callen
Something crazy, yeah.
joe rogan
No yard, no parking.
donald cerrone
And she said her friend had $10 million.
bryan callen
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy.
You can buy like nothing for, you know.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, he shoots guns in his yard.
Right off his fucking toilet.
donald cerrone
Missed that, too.
We got a fucking new silencers.
bryan callen
Really?
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
He's got a bench rest on his toilet.
He's just looking out the window in case of a stray antelope.
donald cerrone
No, I don't shoot fucking big game.
bryan callen
He doesn't shoot big game, sir.
donald cerrone
It's illegal.
I'm a bird man.
joe rogan
You're a bird man?
donald cerrone
I'm a bird man.
bryan callen
Just any bird, they insult you with their freedom.
donald cerrone
Just a poor...
Poor, overpopulated bird.
bryan callen
So she was showing them the house, and she said, I have another place.
It's just a little bit out of your price range.
And it was $8 million.
And this girl's friend had a $10 million house.
And she looked at her husband and went, how could you fucking do this to us?
As in, you don't have enough money.
And he went, instead of going, see you later, he went, sorry.
donald cerrone
Sorry.
bryan callen
How about that, man?
That's how people live sometimes.
joe rogan
Well, that's people that, if they don't have any other interests other than materialistic things, then that's what you chase.
There's a real problem with that in this fucking city.
There's a real problem with people that are only chasing that, and they're not looking at the big picture of life.
They're defining themselves by how much money their house costs, what neighborhood they're in, what kind of car they're driving.
All that stuff is them, and there's no other stuff.
But society looks at that.
donald cerrone
If you show up and your kids go to this school and you live in this area and you drive the Range Rover, that's your...
bryan callen
Status is very important to people.
joe rogan
It always has been.
I think that term's changing.
donald cerrone
Pre-biblical status.
joe rogan
Well, because of the internet, there's a bunch of people that don't think like that, and now they can all agree.
Whereas before, what was put out in front of you was what was on commercials, what you saw the hero have in the movie.
Burt Reynolds has a Trans Am.
I fucking need a Trans Am.
Like, all that stuff was the only way we associated with ideas about items.
But now, like, because of the internet, you'll talk to people that go, you know what, man?
I live in a fucking trailer that I drive around in my truck and I just go to different places and I climb mountains.
That's like that Alex Honnold guy.
He lives in a fucking van.
That's cool too, and he'll find fans, people that admire him because of that.
bryan callen
I think that some people who chase money, it has a lot of meaning.
Some people were humiliated by being poor when they were kids.
Money makes them feel powerful, safe, whatever.
I was trying to isolate the two times I'm the most happy, the two things that matter to me the most.
I think it's laughing with my friends and getting better at something.
joe rogan
I thought it was coming with a finger on your ass.
bryan callen
And coming with a finger on my ass, obviously it's part of laughing with my friends.
unidentified
Dude, you told me you cashed that fucking check.
donald cerrone
And you see an extra comma on your bank account, you're not fucking just tickled pink.
bryan callen
I'm not really, but I'm weird that way, and he knows that.
joe rogan
He's so weird, he drives a fucking shitty car.
He drives this goofy fucking Volkswagen.
I'm like, dude, you have money.
You could have something that you drive that's a pleasure.
Like, you enjoy it, and it changes your transportation to a ride.
Like you're on a Disneyland ride every day.
bryan callen
I like getting better at something and being a silly goose with my friends and a finger in my ass.
joe rogan
And if what?
Okay, we've got to end this, man.
We've got to show an hour.
bryan callen
On that note...
joe rogan
And on that note, Donald, motherfucking Cowboy Cerrone, thank you, sir.
We're glad we did this.
We can do this any time you're in town, man.
donald cerrone
Look at the trifecta I'm sitting here.
It's fucking unbelievable.
unidentified
We could do this forever.
joe rogan
We could probably have about a hundred of these.
Easily.
Easily.
donald cerrone
Well, we'll see how everyone reacts.
joe rogan
They fucking love it.
donald cerrone
If we don't get at least a couple hundred YouTube comments, I'm fucking best.
joe rogan
You're going to get plenty of comments.
Most people are going to love it.
What does the Bible say?
You've got to separate the wheat from the chaff?
bryan callen
The wheat from the chaff.
joe rogan
Yes.
donald cerrone
If you don't have a fucking sword, go and get one.
Sell your cloak and get a better one.
joe rogan
Is that what the Bible says?
donald cerrone
Yeah.
joe rogan
Goddammit, they're selling swords in the Bible?
bryan callen
Yeah.
donald cerrone
Sell your cloak and get one.
bryan callen
I don't remember that passage.
Sell your cloak and get a sword.
donald cerrone
It's there.
bryan callen
You know how pious Donald is.
Always making the cross before he fights.
joe rogan
I don't know if I'll ever own a cloak.
I might go to the grave with no cloaks.
bryan callen
I want a cloak, man.
joe rogan
I'm thinking right now, I need some Dracula cloak.
bryan callen
I want to own a lot of land and walk around in my cloak.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
And I want to just order my servants around.
Bring me a coconut, two straws, and some shaved ice, please.
joe rogan
And I want pack llamas.
bryan callen
Oh, yes.
joe rogan
So when I shoot animals in the woods, I can bring the pack llamas and they'll pack it out.
bryan callen
That's good.
I want hamsters to feel in my hands, please.
joe rogan
I want a few guinea pigs around the house just in case I need to eat them like the people do in Peru.
donald cerrone
Guinea pigs?
bryan callen
Just kidding.
joe rogan
They keep them in the kitchen.
They're all scrambled around the kitchen.
Really?
I just want them for petting.
bryan callen
I want them for petting and pressing against my genitals.
joe rogan
They apparently don't miss each other.
They never like, where's Waldo?
They don't give a fuck about Waldo.
Are the peanuts out?
Yes, they're good.
bryan callen
They say cats are like that.
Cats could give a fuck about their owners.
joe rogan
Well, when their owners die, cats eat their faces.
bryan callen
Is that true?
joe rogan
Did you know that?
Yeah, Big John McCarthy was telling me that.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
He said, the worst thing you want to find is a guy who's been dead for a couple of days and he's had cats.
bryan callen
Damn!
joe rogan
Yeah, the cats just eat your face.
When you stop giving them cat food, they just start eating you.
unidentified
Whoa!
joe rogan
Yeah, whoa.
They eat your face.
They'll eat your face for a long time, too, until you get really rotten.
When you get really rotten.
donald cerrone
Is it because you're not there to feed them and they're hungry?
joe rogan
Yep.
They don't...
bryan callen
They don't really domesticate.
joe rogan
Your dog will fucking starve to death.
Most dogs.
Maybe you might be a cunt to your dog and your dog might eat you, too.
But most dogs will, like, sit there and they'll want...
unidentified
Just die.
joe rogan
Yeah, they'll want their owner to wake up.
unidentified
What about a tortoise?
donald cerrone
I have a fucking tortoise there, but he's going to live to be 200 years old.
bryan callen
Tortoises are man-eaters.
If you faint, they eat your face.
joe rogan
You might wake up and you have no assholes.
bryan callen
They can only get their heads so far off.
joe rogan
I have narcolepsy!
Don't eat my asshole!
I'm fine, you fucking shitty turtle!
bryan callen
They beak your asshole.
joe rogan
Can't they go a long time without food, too?
bryan callen
I don't know.
I know snakes do.
donald cerrone
If I call my wife and call in sick, I can come to the show tonight?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
bryan callen
Dude, come to the show.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can come for sure.
Absolutely, man.
bryan callen
Can I plug my date this weekend?
joe rogan
Okay, where are you at?
bryan callen
I'm going to be at the San Jose Improv.
Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
joe rogan
One of my favorite places in the world.
You know who lives near there?
Luke Rockhold, Donald Cerrone's favorite person.
donald cerrone
Can I plug my event?
joe rogan
Hell yeah.
donald cerrone
Orlando, Florida, December 19th, and fucking new, and new champion of the motherfucking world.
Give me a new belt buckle.
bryan callen
I'll be there.
Are you going to be there?
I'll be there for my boyfriend.
donald cerrone
I'm going to be there.
bryan callen
Best seat in the house.
joe rogan
Do you want to do the gig with me the night before?
bryan callen
Yeah, December 19th.
joe rogan
Yeah, whatever the night before is, I'm doing the gig.
donald cerrone
Can I come?
Fuck yeah.
Orlando, Florida?
unidentified
Of course.
donald cerrone
You got tickets now.
I need those because I'm going to be there the night before.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm booking something.
I'm booking some theater in there on Friday night.
donald cerrone
Now that we can't IV, I'll be out of there earlier.
bryan callen
Would you get nervous thinking about that date, or are you ready?
unidentified
He's excited.
donald cerrone
Born ready.
joe rogan
Born ready, bitch.
How dare you.
He's full of Skull and Budweiser.
bryan callen
He's an American badass.
donald cerrone
He smashed him.
I'm coming.
bryan callen
Donald Trump is an American badass.
donald cerrone
I wish I had a fucking billion dollars and a huge belt buckle.
joe rogan
Alright, we gotta end this.
It's 7 o'clock.
unidentified
We gotta show up.
donald cerrone
Dos Anjos, I'm fucking coming!
19th, motherfucker, and new.
joe rogan
You heard him.
donald cerrone
Loud.
unidentified
I love it.
bryan callen
I'll be rubbing.
donald cerrone
Joe Rogan.
bryan callen
I'm rubbing my underwear.
donald cerrone
In this bitch.
joe rogan
Donald Cerrone, motherfucker.
bryan callen
Donald, you hear this?
Donald, get him kicking.
donald cerrone
All right, we're out, folks.
Thank you for tuning in.
joe rogan
Much love.
See you soon.
Bye-bye.
bryan callen
Yeah.
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