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But we do like, like, we were talking about yoga before this...
Show started like we like people that are really in the yoga because they actually enjoy the benefits of it And they're really they're really kind of down to earth and centered Those are nice people to be around.
Yes, but the ones who are faking that thing are fucking gross Well, they're wearing it like a costume, right?
So it becomes a character that they've taken over and again, that's something called affectation.
Yeah They're not doing it for the utility of yoga, like where you're working something out, whether it's peace of mind or getting more centered or whatever, and getting healthier.
I think that some people actually wear that cloak and become somewhat tyrannical about it.
They put on the outfit, the costume, now they're a yogi, now they're going to speak about being on the spiritual path, and within that is always a little bit of a...
Look at this.
These common cattle.
These people who drink coffee and other stimulants and obviously eat meat.
Meanwhile, they've done experiments on that, which is it reacts with the metal in the water to create with a certain sodium compound, and it creates rust.
There's a book I read about that where they break that particular thing down, that putting your feet in the water turns brown and all the toxins come out.
I'm very hesitant, too, in case he listens to the...
Or that person listens to your podcast like everybody else does.
But, yeah, some people tend to decide that they...
I think it's very common, especially in L.A. and places, for people to believe that they...
I found the answer.
I know all this conventional wisdom is your thing, but I actually have a roundabout way, and then they'll play with words, and they'll say, it's not about doing, it's kind of about allowing.
And you're like, you know, I love that.
I'm just like, I'll give you rope.
I'll be like, dude, tell me more immediately so I can talk about it on Joe Robbins' podcast with 16 million...
My biggest thing with the healer kind of crowd, and some of them are great people, of course, and maybe they do some good, of course, but a lot of them are wearing it to bludgeon you with it, or it's a piece of identity.
Everything else has kind of gone well, and they turn their own crisis into sort of a...
You know, they've found their calling, which is to be a healer.
Also, I don't buy the ideas of people that are trying to be leaders and trying to push things and trying to create these movements and trying to...
If they don't do something to push themselves, like if I see you and you have a sloppy face and a big old double chin and your gut is hanging off your pants, you greedily await your food as you're sitting around with all these people that are listening to you.
I'm like, you're a guy that's caught up in the grips of not taking care of your own meat wagon.
So why don't I listen to you about how you describe how we're supposed to live life and how the peaceful energy flows through your chakras and like, What exactly are you saying?
Are you just trying to get people to listen to you?
Because that's what it kind of seems like.
It kind of seems like you just want to be a leader.
I think unless you're involved in some adverse situation, some situation where you have to encounter adversity and find out what you're made of, Whatever you're doing, whatever pursuit, if you're doing one of those, what are those crazy mutters, those crazy races those people do?
You know, you're put in a world where you're not being tested.
And struggle is such a huge part of the human experience.
And the other thing about gurus, though, is that whenever you see somebody who talks a lot, And they're telling you the secrets and methodology and technology of life.
The problem with that is that when you see people really accomplish something, like John Wayne Parr or whatever, if you ask John Wayne Parr to tell me the secrets of fighting, John Wayne Parr would look at me and go, well, you'd probably have to go train for 10 years, and a lot of it is something you have to experience and practice, not something I can tell you about.
And I think anybody who has A sharp profile who has really, really cool ways of putting words together.
Because you're laughingly and jokingly, completely in the nature of, like, joking around, all through your day, where we're shit-mouthing people, or fuck-mouthing people.
We have different styles of living, you know, it's it's one of the cool things about life and I think everybody's person like different personalities gravitate towards different styles of living just Automatically and organically the same way people gravitate towards jobs You know the way some people are just drawn.
I want to be a comic book illustrator.
I'm drawn to it You know or some people like fuck always love music man.
Just always want to be a musician and My son, I told you I went to, I watched him at his school play, whatever, and he's not even four.
And it was so funny because all the kids were singing their songs and doing their thing, and my son is on the sidelines pulling his mouth open as wide as he possibly can.
Then he jumps over and just jumps in his kid's face.
Then he decides, I'm getting out of here.
Pulls his shirt up and walks off stage.
He gets the teachers chasing him.
He realizes it.
He's disrupting everything.
And he did a variation of that for all four songs.
And my wife was like, you know, this is crazy and this is bad.
And I was like, listen, all I know is I was exactly the same.
I don't remember it being a good thing.
It's probably going to be a bit of a struggle for him.
Who knows how to navigate it?
But there's one thing for sure.
He's not a conformist.
He's very different, and he sees the world very differently, and he'd way rather be doing this thing over here.
And, you know, I kind of looked, I was like, I thought to myself, I've always been the exact same way.
It preserves more habitat for animals because of hunting than anything else.
The conservation aspect of hunting is totally overlooked because people want to look at hunters like there's some evil person.
We live in this really fucked up, contradictory society where every day you're driving down the street, you're passing by gas stations that are filled with meat snacks.
Disgusting meat that's ground up into some fucking goofy hamburger and frozen and you microwave it.
You know, you walk into a supermarket, you're passing by just rows and rows of meat.
Every McDonald's, every jack-in-the-box is meat, meat, meat, meat, meat.
But we're completely disconnected from it.
By living in this...
I think cities are awesome, by the way.
And you know when I really started to appreciate cities?
When you and I started going on these trips.
When you and I went to Montana, or even better recently, like a perfect example, when we did that Prince of Wales show, we went on to Prince of Wales Island, we got rained on every fucking day for five days, and when we came back to L.A., it was amazing.
It was because I realized that like we had a first of all we had a great time being rainy and miserable laughing our asses off It was moving when I saw Steve Rinald at the end of that say, you know, I kind of miss Brian and Joe's Comedy because being up here alone.
There's a profound sadness I feel I feel that way to actually did you feel that like very sad I feel so sad when I look out I maybe I feel so alone or I feel like What it would be like to live in such solitude and such silence all the time.
And I feel like I might be totally bullshitting here, okay?
And I'm willing to admit that.
But I feel like when, even if I'm in a beautiful park-like setting, like if you go to Griffiths Park and you're sitting up in there, even if you find yourself a swath of land where all you see is trees and you're sitting down, there's still...
There's a feeling in the air of civilization and the feeling in the air of civilization I don't know if it's Wi-Fi signals or radio signals or television signals or cellular signals I don't I don't know if it's an actual physical thing I don't know if there's a feeling that you get obviously you can't tune into someone's cell phone with your fucking brain but are you aware in some sort of weird peripheral sense That all these signals are around you all the time.
I don't know, but I know that it feels totally different to be outside on a mountain in Prince of Wales.
There's a feeling in the air, and there's this, first of all, this very humbling, absolute, undeniable realization that not only are you not special, but that this part of the world does not give a fuck about you and will forget about you the moment you stop existing.
I think there's two things that we fucked up on as a race.
Well, many things, obviously.
But two things that we fucked up on that are rarely discussed.
And I think one of them is that we have almost a built-in need to be around nature.
And when you're around nature, you get feelings from that experience that are not...
They're not described enough.
They're not expanded upon enough.
They're not endorsed and appreciated enough.
I think it's an integral part of being a person.
And I think that when we're spending all of our times in these hard surfaces and these straight lines and these things that we create, I just do not think it's good for you.
I think your body's not designed for it.
I think there's some reward systems that you get from being out in these solitary environments.
If you think about the amount of stimulus, auditory and visual stimulus, you deal with Every day, from just blinking lights, all the things you see.
Our very recent ancestors were not ever exposed to that.
They say sometimes that we're exposed to more stimulus in a day than some of our ancestors were their whole life, in terms of how predictable, still, expansive their lives were, where you couldn't venture too far.
The other thing about where we were, especially in Prince of Wales Island, was that not even Native Americans would go up there.
In fact, even animals would be like, you know what, too rainy up here, we're gonna go down below.
So we were kind of truly where no one in their right mind would go.
The other thing that I was gonna say is I think we are...
And I want this to be like...
I'm trying to be as objective about this as possible.
And I'm trying to be as sensitive about this as possible.
But I think...
I think all this move towards the feminine and demonizing masculine behavior and all of this Appreciation for marginalized people is all it's all awesome.
I really think it's important I think people go too crazy with it and they attack people that would ordinarily be their allies But I think that what all this is Doing like the reason why this move towards acceptance is happening is because I think we're evolving and I think that as people are evolving as we realize that there really is no Right or wrong way to live and if Bruce Jenner wants to be a woman now who gives a fuck?
He should totally be a woman I think this is this is all a positive thing and it's all moving towards some softer style of being a human being and It probably won't be within our lifetime, but I think several lifetimes from now People are probably going to be way kinder on a regular basis than they are right now.
I think they're way kinder today than they've ever been before.
And like that, you know, men who are into things are jocks and meatheads and assholes.
And if you're into sports or martial arts or other, somehow or another, because you embrace this, it excites you and you enjoy it.
And you surround yourself with other people that also enjoy it.
There must be something wrong with you.
You must be a mean person.
Like, just because you're masculine, you must be mean.
I reject that outright.
So do I. I think it's ridiculous.
That also, you must be insensitive and cruel.
I reject that as well outright.
It's not true.
It's not true.
You can be masculine and be very sensitive.
Dude, I had to do this fucking thing for the UFC yesterday, where it was a speech about the Hall of Fame, and Jeff Blatnick is getting into the Hall of Fame, and Jeff Blatnick He was an Olympic gold medalist, beat Alexander Carellin in Greco-Roman.
He was this amazing guy.
And I started crying.
I was like, I had to stop myself from crying when I was talking about this guy because he beat cancer and won a gold medal.
And then he was like really nice to me, man.
Like when I first started working for the UFC. I remember that.
It doesn't mean because someone embraces masculine activities whether it's martial arts or whether it's Hunting or anything it doesn't mean that that person is going to be homophobic It doesn't mean that that person is going to be a negative person or but there's this push I think because of What's happening now with all this,
our society's movement towards civilization, movement towards a much more non-violent life, although the awareness of rape, man, there had to have been a lot of rape going on in college when I was young, but I never fucking heard about it.
But all you're hearing about, like, on a constant basis is the amount of sexual violence that takes place in colleges.
And some people are saying they're overreacting, this, that, but it's good.
Like, it's all this trend of, like, recognizing...
Yeah, Kristen Beck was on our podcast on Fighter and Kid and talked about getting beat up just because she walked by some guys.
Seal Team Six Command though, and they had hair from behind, but that's an everyday reality.
An everyday reality.
And a very, very short time ago, and I'm talking about less than 15 years ago in our lifetime, any of those derogatory words like fag, faggot, making fun of gay people was an acceptable prejudice.
You heard it all the time.
All of us said it because you just made fun of people.
Well, but, you know, what you're talking about also is like Matthew Arnold, who was this awesome sort of philosopher, romantic, and he said, yes, the United States is the, and forgive me if it's not Matthew Arnold, I'm almost positive, but he says, yes, the United States is a very powerful country with the biggest guns and a roaring stock market and the National Football League.
But somewhere along the line, if you embrace all of that, you'll forget to be interesting.
And you have to remember as a country, as a society, that you must make place for the gentler spirits.
For your artists, for your quote-unquote weirdos.
For your dreamers, for your wonderers, and I think that's to our credit, that it does create more beauty, it does create more diversity, it creates more interesting innovation when people who don't have the biggest muscles feel safe, feel like they have a voice, feel like they have somewhere to go if they get beat up.
You have a society where muscles and guns, i.e.
Rome, i.e.
Russia, Yeah, where muscles and guns rule the roost, and that's most of the world, by the way.
So anytime most societies concern themselves almost exclusively with how to control their populations, whether they do it through sheer force like Russia does, or whether they do it through religion like Saudi Arabia does, those countries essentially practice a form of apartheid.
And what I mean by that is that 50% of their population At least, to say nothing of the gay people and the different people and the transgender people, those people are so marginalized and they're wasted because they're put in one place and they're told to do just a couple of things that have been allowed by this male architecture, this male scaffolding that's been put in place and been there forever.
And it just stifles spirit.
It stifles Ingenuity, creativity, and most of all, it stifles the truth.
And in that sense, you know, of course there's a place for these people and these societies have evolved, and there's a lot of great things about Russian society and Saudi society and everything else, but that's an important aspect to keep in mind.
That's an important thing, and that's what I think this movement is a positive thing.
You know, these people have a voice now, and you start thinking of them as people, as opposed to, like, transgender people never had a community before.
I mean, how would they have to find other transgender people and hang out with them?
It would be very difficult to get that going.
You know, now you meet online, you have these forums, you have Twitter and things along those lines.
Like, people from any weird, generally marginalized part of society can find a community now.
And I think that anything that you can't make fun of is bullshit.
If you can't make fun of it, you can make fun of everything.
You can make fun of politics, you can make fun of sex, you can make fun of gender, you can make fun of transgender, you can make fun of everything.
Don't say you can't make fun of it, because that's nonsense.
Then you're losing out on free speech.
And by the way, the best way, the best way to...
Marginalize something is to not be allowed to talk about it.
You change the thing.
You make it a sacred thing.
You don't make it a thing that you could talk about and discuss.
So you don't even know if the thing that you're talking about, if it's honest.
Are we being honest about what is happening here?
Because for every person who does everything in life that's weird, there's going to be people that love it, and there's going to be people that hate it.
But you don't know what it is until everybody sits down and talks about it.
Like, why does this kid want so much fucking attention?
Oh, he's an attention whore.
And we figure it out.
We all discuss it.
When it comes to sexual things, sexual aspects of behavior, then we get ultra super sensitive.
Much more sensitive than anything else we do, whether it's behavior, whether it's occupation.
When you get down to sexual and gender things, people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Don't talk about that.
You can make fun of lawyers all you want.
You're probably going to need lawyers, but you can make all the dead lawyer jokes you fucking want.
You could throw lawyers in the bottom of the ocean.
You could talk about gunning them all down the streets like dogs.
You could be a fucking blogger, like the Huffington Post, and you should say, damn the lawyers, we should gun them down like dogs.
And you could say that, and no one is going to get angry at you, and no one's going to march against you, and no one's going to call you lawyer-phobic.
And what's interesting is that white, I would imagine, I think when California couldn't pass that proposition on gay marriage, A lot of the opposition came from the black and brown communities, because especially the Latino communities are very religious.
Yeah, fear, you know, but there's a lot of nonsense when it comes to that stuff.
And I think all that's, like, again, that's starting to dissolve.
I think it's starting to dissolve.
And I think even, like, the backlash that people are getting for, you know, like, I guess the UFC is a big one.
That's a big target.
I hear about that all the time, like the anti-violence aspect of it or anything else that people enjoy that is very violent, whether it's football or any other contact sport.
There's a lot of people that really resist it and think that it's detrimental to society.
What I'm saying is that everybody has their point of view.
And sometimes, for example, I think, if you look at TV and stuff, I actually think we've become very intolerant of male behavior, not just the traditional prototypical masculine behaviors, but sexual behavior as well.
So I think a lot of men are really afraid to sound even remotely like they like having sex.
A lot with different women, even if they're single, because they'll be called a creep.
They'll be called a scumbag.
They'll be called all these things.
That used to be something that was actually celebrated.
And if you look at TV, a lot of TV shows, especially mainstream TV, If a guy's on that show and he has, I don't know, God forbid he's got a girlfriend and another girlfriend.
Forget that.
But if he has five different women that he's sleeping with, you don't see that often.
You just don't see...
Because we know a lot of guys, especially when we were younger, who were that kind of masculine bent that put up a lot of numbers.
You don't see...
I haven't seen too many of those characters on mainstream TV. And if you do...
They are crucified.
They're just dirtbags.
And I think that's interesting.
I don't think that used to be the case as much.
I think that a lot of men are afraid to talk about sex the way women have for a long time.
Yeah, she's running around fucking all these guys and sucking their dicks in bathrooms, doing a bunch of dirty, naughty shit, and it was great.
But if there was a show about a guy who did that with a bunch of women and then thought less of the women after he was done with them, you would go, what a piece of shit.
I don't even know how much is true and how much is not true, because I was listening to this radio show and they were talking about how he underwent a 12-hour surgery to change his face, more feminize it.
I do not know if that is the truth or not.
But, who cares?
That's my take on it.
My take on it is, I think it's cute.
I think, you know, let him do whatever he wants to do.
If you can become autonomous and you can get away from anybody else's opinions and ideas that they have to throw them into the soup, then you're truly responsible for your own work.
And when you're truly responsible for whatever the fuck you're actually doing, then you have a totally different kind of connection to it.
So these guys, they get angry about the business, about the way the business is changing in a weird way.
If you enjoy being a comic, you really don't have to do anything else anymore.
Back in the day, it was just like, boy, I hope I can keep this comedy thing afloat until I get that sitcom.
Wanted to put together seven minutes you used to always tell me to stand up I worked so hard at acting remember how hard like I'd be in class and I just worked at it and I would do scenes and I would cry and I And then I just I don't know man.
It's what happened is I just when I got a taste of real stand-up Mm-hmm and then with the podcast and then I was like man I gotta go where I got to drive where and sit on a set for how long would do five minutes of acting it's if people saw how movies are made I think they'd have a lot less reference for the entire process.
Well, they always say that when people are in an epoch, when they're in a changing movement, like...
People who were coming into the Renaissance didn't know they were in the Renaissance, didn't call it the Renaissance, didn't know that there was something called the Renaissance or that they were even in the Dark Ages before that.
So there are countless examples of that where this is the most important date.
They weren't aware of that.
They weren't aware of the Bronze Age, then the Metal Age and all that.
So you're living your life and those kinds of forces and trends and movements are more subtle than that.
It's like if you go, like, Justin Wren, the UFC fighter.
He's been on this podcast a bunch of times.
He does the Fight for Forgotten.
Foundation that he created to go and build wells for the pygmies, you know, he goes down there and builds these pygmies these wells just a great guy But those folks who live there that is their life and that is what they're used to just like when we were on that Prince Edward Prince of Wales Island That was our life for those five days.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons why when I came back here it felt so good to realize that This feeling of sun on your face is very pleasurable.
This feeling of being around people and having, you know, the convenience of grocery stores and restaurants that are good and comedy clubs and all the good aspects that a city provides.
It made me, like, acutely aware of that.
Because being in that environment, that could be light.
We can change and we can morph and we can and I think in Some ways we're not aware of when it's happening It just becomes a normal life like text messages and photos and being able to Google things becomes normal but I think historians When they look back on the era between 1994 and 2015, they will see a tornado of information.
They will see an unprecedented amount of data that's being passed back and forth to the point where at the end, at the very end of the line, 2015, more data gets done in like an hour, more data gets passed by in 24 hours than the entire history of the human race.
By the way, I don't know if those numbers are exactly correct.
It might be like two days or one day.
Whatever the fuck it is.
It's some insanely small amount of time that represents the entire history of human beings writing things down.
Most of it's bullshit.
Most of it's Facebook messages and text messages and tweets.
But the bottom line is, it's exchanges.
Okay, it might be nonsensical social exchanges that don't mean anything, LOL, WUT. It might be bullshit.
It might be Instagram pictures of your ass in yoga pants.
It might be nonsense.
But in that nonsense, there's an unprecedented amount of tweets.
That are leading people to check out articles, that are leading people to maybe reform opinions or reconsider preconceived notions, and then you'll start reading comments, how other people agree or disagree, and you start communicating with each other, and an unprecedented sort of exchange is taking place.
I just don't think we noticed it.
Most people noticed it because it just happened while we were alive.
So I think when you frame, for example, this Bruce Jenner thing, when you frame it like, and people really do understand it, when you frame it when somebody says, listen, Not only have I always felt this way, but the overwhelming evidence is that anybody or most people who become transgender or go through gender reassignment surgery, if you look at how they always felt, if you ask them, they always felt this way, kind of like the way somebody who is gay generally, usually will say, I've always been attracted to the same sex.
So when you frame it that way and you see it and you see a person that, you know, is very real to you and acting the way everybody else does, it's hard not to empathize.
It's hard not to have compassion.
So that, in that sense, information is nudging us all.
Together all closer at least at least I think it you're right.
We are becoming nicer more gentle more understanding.
Yeah, we're becoming more aware of our Of our similarities as opposed to differences.
Yeah focusing on our differences.
Yeah, I think the similarities What's what's super important like the core the core process is how we treat each other.
That's like what's super important and If we're treating each other in a negative way simply because of some ideas that we might have on Who a person should or shouldn't be whether or not you should sleep with men like that's that's one of the best ones like the or whether or not I retweeted something from the 1930s I believe it was where a woman was going to jail for being a lesbian and It's a crazy picture.
Jamie, see if you can pull it up.
It's on my Twitter feed somewhere, not that far down.
It's from Old Pix Archives.
It's from 1940, when it was a crime to be a homosexual.
And this woman, you know, they're giving her a mugshot for being a lesbian.
Nowadays, what's interesting is that when any country does something that's bad...
Russia and Ukraine couldn't just say they were trying to annex territory.
They justify what they were doing, the Putin regime justifies what they're doing, on the idea that, look, we're just protecting our Russian people that are there.
No matter who you're talking to, no matter what country you're talking to, no matter Syria, when they're bombing the rebels, whatever, Syria, the Assad regime will talk about the fact that they are protecting a lot of different communities in a very diverse country.
Et cetera, et cetera.
And what I think is interesting is that with so many people watching, anybody who's doing anything that could be considered violent, murderous, bad in general, must be justified along moral grounds.
It's no longer allowed to say, we're fucking taking over your country because we're Roman and Romans are better.
That used to be all the excuse they needed.
We're Romans.
We have a right to...
To everything we can see.
It belongs to us because we are superior, and everyone else is not.
So they can either die, get out of the way, or be our slaves.
Well, that was the only way you survived back then, is if you were the stronger one with that attitude, because that was the attitude that you were going to encounter.
Like, what the Mongols did when they found a new civilization.
Like, when they found the Pope, the first contact with the Pope was saying, we're aware that you weren't aware, but this is the Great Khan.
The Great Khan runs everything, so you're going to have to pay some fucking tribute and bow down, or you're all dead.
Like, that's it.
That's how it goes.
And that was what they did.
They believed they ruled over everything on the earth.
But it raises questions about whether this stuff is endemic to human beings.
Like, they were doing a study on chimps.
And they have a lot of evidence, they've already seen it, but they have a lot of evidence even like from past chimps that, you know, different, when they study different areas and communities, that a group of large, a large group of males will come in and overrun a smaller group of males in an isolated area and kill all of them.
Beat the fucking shit out of them.
Kill them.
Come in and either kill their kids or, you know, have sex with the women.
Very human-like behavior.
Very typical.
And it used to be that the idea that human beings were violent like that was because we didn't know any better and that it wasn't a natural impulse.
In fact, we're not naturally violent because kids aren't.
And so that's a learned behavior.
Problem is, you see that kind of behavior in the animal world.
You see it among dolphins and you see it among chimps.
And you certainly see it in spades in indigenous cultures that have had very little contact with other cultures, have not shared information with other cultures.
Well, if there's no civilization, if you don't have an infrastructure, if you don't have food that's coming in, then you have struggle.
And when you have struggle, you have danger.
When you have danger, you have people that are going to take advantage of people that are weaker than them, and you have a breakdown of what we consider civilization.
And when you get into these really rural communities, the further and further back in time, the more and more prevalent that shit's gonna be.
I think that people are capable of amazing feats of kindness, and people are awesome to be around, and people are also un-fucking- believably evil.
Like, if you look at that ISIS video, I didn't watch it, but it was described to me, of the Jordanian pilot who's lit on fire.
They did it in slow-mo from different angles.
I mean, they filmed it.
They set it up.
They set up a shot, and then they filmed this guy getting burned to death.
The fact that people are capable of that kind of cruelty to each other, and at the same time, there's selfless people that are out there like Justin Wren, who's living with the pygmies in the Congo, and he's digging wells for them.
I think the problem is that it's not masculine energy that's a problem that people are upset about.
I think it gets misconstrued.
I think the problem that we all have is with assholes.
That is the problem across the board, whether it's women or it's men.
When you see like these crazy radical feminists who attack speakers because they, you know, want to support men's rights and Divorce court and whatever the fucking reason is that the really aggressive like this is archetypal video of this super aggressive Feminist outside of this thing in Toronto and she's got red hair and she's screaming at people like what she wants and what she doesn't want for men and when they can shut the fuck up and you know and and she's telling people in the audience shut the fuck up the people that exist
like that then they become the problem because Because the problem is not like the idea that women deserve everything that men deserve and that we should have equal treatment by law.
The problem is assholes.
Yeah.
Is assholes representing a point of view that I probably don't disagree with.
And as soon as you're prejudiced, whether you're prejudiced against white people, or whether you're prejudiced against men, or whether you're prejudiced against gays or transgenders or whatever the fuck it is, as soon as you stop treating that person and you come at them from a totally even spot, then you're the asshole.
And I would suggest that, you know, we benefit also and enjoy a lot about life based on people who created things whose motives, their motives, may have been less than stellar.
Sure.
It's done by just pure ego, domination, greed, and those things do not always create bad things.
In fact, a lot of times they create incredible innovations, better ways to do things.
What's another word for innovation?
Another word for innovation is destruction.
You're destroying how people used to do it.
When we came up with The internal combustion engine and put it in a vehicle and turn it into a car.
People that made a lot of money making buggy whips went out of fucking business.
Because I don't need your fucking buggy whip because my car doesn't respond to buggy whips.
It responds to what I call rock oil, which turned out to be oil.
Well, we know that when you throw money, just money at a problem, like in Baltimore, I believe, which is the worst school system in the country, I think we spend federal dollars, we spend More money per student.
It's the third most amount of spending per student than any other town or state in the union.
That's kind of amazing.
And guess what?
You can't just throw money at a problem.
So many of these issues...
That I'm kind of becoming fascinated with.
Don't require money or it's not a Democratic or Republican issue.
For example, one of the biggest challenges we're going to face is that there are a lot of people out there who don't fit into the 21st century economy.
They don't have skill set that requires that.
They do manual labor.
They do minimum wage jobs.
You can raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, I guess.
I don't know what it's like to run a small business.
I know a lot of small business people say that's too much.
I don't know.
But that's actually not the problem.
Every time you hear Democrats or Republicans talking, they say things like, hey man, we've got to do something about this income inequality.
So the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, and we've got to tax the rich.
Everybody has their point of view.
No, trickle-down economics.
The problem is, in fact, that what's really going on is technology is taking the place of a lot of these unskilled jobs.
And we are going to have, as technology grows exponentially, Robots and different forms of technology are gonna take over so many of the jobs that people have now.
Bus drivers.
We're gonna have autonomous vehicles.
I don't know when it's gonna be, but bus drivers will be out of business, out of work.
And there are so many examples of that.
What we have to start doing, rather than worrying about redistributing wealth, the most important thing is getting these people ready for the 21st century economy, which is probably going to change all the time.
Which means you've got to figure out how you're going to fit in to an economy that doesn't operate the way traditional economies work anymore.
There's just different needs, different services, things are always changing, things are very trendy.
But you can't go to the government and say, hey government bail me out and give me subsidies for the rest of my life because somebody has to pay for that and that's all of us.
And so taxes get higher and that's what we have to be careful of.
I just really, there is a place for government but you have to be careful of saying, hey the government's gonna come in here and save The day.
Or I was gonna say yes, absolutely Joey Diaz I was gonna say Mitch Hedberg actually because his absurdist point of view was like really only effective I think with his way of communicating like his his style of delivery You know you're not gonna figure that out with a computer.
You're just not not gonna figure out why it's appealing It's We're lucky as shit.
Being a person who's getting out of school now and thinking about jobs that used to exist just a short while ago that are nonsense now.
They're just nonsense jobs.
Like, how many people in the era of, you know, 1995 had some sort of...
Training and school and education and technologically related things and technology, creative technology.
By the time they get out of school, everything that they learned is irrelevant.
Didn't you have a problem with that, Jamie?
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To explain your problem, I mean, I went to school to work in a recording studio.
There's maybe five in LA. There's probably a couple more than that, but anyone that has been working there for the last 15 years is still working there.
They're not hiring new young blood to come in because they need to work for the next 15 years.
Dave Grohl's movie called like Sound City or something like that I believe came out a couple years goes really good and kind of shows How that all happened over the last ten years?
I had some academics come to me because they had listened.
I have a lot of academics on my podcast, the old Brian Count show.
I had some academics come to me and say, listen, we want to put together a convention, something called Evocon.
So it's a convention on evolution and we want to get all the great minds of evolution together and people that understand it and get together and have a convention about evolution and with the idea that we can get that 40% of Americans or whoever it is who don't believe in evolution over on our side.
Let's give them the evidence because the scientific community Science is fascinating, but they've done a very bad job communicating their message.
They don't do a good job communicating.
Because what happens with academics and people in that world is that they become very insular.
And they become very incestuous.
And they're only talking to each other, and they're not talking to people who are casting votes and who ultimately have a say in public policy and stuff.
Well, you know, I learned from Kevin Afolta, who was on the podcast the other day, who was a scientist, And works a lot with GM foods, GMO foods, and explaining what they really are.
One of the things he was talking about to me was that he works for the public, essentially.
He's a public scientist.
But when they research something or come to some conclusions, they publish them in these papers or journals.
Yeah, he hacked into all these sort of academic papers that were not made public.
Yeah, he made them public.
You had to pay for them.
You had to pay for them and he hacked them and made them public.
Without the professor's intellectual property, that's their intellectual property.
They didn't give a say so.
The university makes money off of it, and he just gave them to everybody, and then they threatened him to make an example, and he ended up killing himself.
I feel as though, I think Aaron Schwartz, you know, if you have, if somebody has intellectual property, it's an academic paper on something, and they can make money off it, they should be allowed to make money off it.
And if it's your property and somebody comes in and breaks into your password and just gives it away for free, that's not cool.
If you are a public scientist, and if you are working for a university that receives tax dollars from the community, and you do this work, doesn't that work belong to everyone?
Because everyone paid for it.
If not, how are you public?
If you're getting money and you're earning money from the money that was put up by the public to pay for you.
I mean, you have to kind of define what we allow and what we don't allow.
So in some ways, he probably had a really good point.
The way he went after it was kind of theft.
I mean, he invaded someone's property, which is the university.
Whether or not it should be their property, that's debatable, but the fact that he wasn't allowed into their servers and he got in there.
All he did was download some stuff, so it's not malicious.
I think whatever crime they should have pointed at him would have been like nothing.
Like a fine.
Maybe say, hey man, you can't just break into people's...
You can't just hack into people's servers.
That is fucked up.
So you should get some sort of fine for that.
But the idea of jail time...
I mean, I'm talking about a $500 fine or $1,000 or something like that.
Put him on probation and say, don't ever do this again, man.
You can't hack into people's...
But the idea that this guy was under so much stress that he killed himself over releasing academic papers, which clearly there's no malice involved.
They don't understand what it means to modify these foods, like these ideas of frankenfoods, these ideas of what's dangerous and deadly.
It's something that people have been doing forever.
They've just been doing it, and he was explaining how they were splicing plants together and creating hybrids of plants, and that they would take, you know, the pollen...
The difference being that now they're engineering certain things to turn on jeans or turn off jeans.
And people are concerned that this could be really dangerous.
And he was really honest about it, man.
He's like, yes, there should be some concern.
He was really honest about the whole idea of, yeah, we don't exactly know that this is going to be safe for everybody at every single turn, every time.
But if you just look at the things, we're going over the things that kill people right now, like peanuts and...
I mean, Brian has a fucking allergy to penicillin.
But the thing about this is that people are worried about cancer because they're worried about what they're doing to these plants are not natural, and that's how they're able to fight off these pesticides.
And it's a legitimate concern.
When you look into what's actually going on, actually being done, I think most of the plants that we're worried about when it comes to that stuff, I think those are the ones that they feed to animals.
And then you're worried about, okay, now you're eating the animal that's eating this stuff that has this roundup shit on it.
Like, what is, what's that?
What's going on there?
Because, like, we were talking about bears.
Like, if you eat a bear that's been eating blueberries, it's supposed to be, like, the most delicious meat in the world.
Steve Rinello talks about this.
He had an episode where he shot this bear in Alaska, and as he's butchering the bear, the bear fat has blue.
It's a blue hue, like, almost a purple hue.
Because of the blueberries this thing's been eating.
Who's to say that if you're giving a fucking cow or you're giving some whatever animal some this Roundup shit if it's in if you're spraying it on vegetables to kill bugs and then those vegetables get fed Are you washing them before you give them your cows like how exactly are you treating them to make sure there's nothing in there?
If there is something in there just like how the blueberry makes the bear taste different That's gotta do something to what you're eating.
It's just got to and It's just gotta be affecting the flesh that you're taking into your body.
And there's a potential, if you're eating toxic shit, if that cow is eating some pesticides, that's gotta be able to get into the meat.
Well, I think bugs, I don't know, but I do know that usually it'll attack the bug's central nervous system or something, or it causes some, it fucks with one enzyme.
I hear it's, first of all, there are two things that he has going for him, and I know a girl dated him, and I dated her for about ten minutes, and she said, well, he plays the piano, concert piano, he's a concert pianist, basically, and he's got a donkey dick.
And I thought, I said, of course, I went, hold on, I stop everything, fuck his piano, let's get to his dick immediately.
The point is, like, well, the only thing that could be not the point is, is he that same guy now?
Is he that same guy now, or were you dealing with a guy who, if many people don't know, Roman Polanski, terrible as he might be, suffered one of the most insane things that can ever happen to a person.
The Holocaust?
The Manson family killed his wife and cut his pregnant wife's belly open and smeared blood all over the wall.
Yeah, I think one of those two, I remember as well.
So it's like, look, that guy's been through some horrific, horrific shit, and it certainly doesn't justify or exonerate him, rather, from anything terrible that he's done.
But...
At a certain point in time, you've got to go, like, what should be done about something that happened 25 years ago?
Contracts like contracts and leases and things along those lines like it's like agreeing that you're gonna be the same person to a certain extent like a marriage or More relevant even if somebody on death row who committed a crime when he was 18 now he's 45 and is a very different person than when he was 18 That was there are a lot of examples of that Well,
why are you expected to be responsible for things that you did 18 over, but under 18, you become a juvenile?
Well, they had a study about the amount of violent crimes that are committed by people in that age range.
And it's overwhelming.
And a lot of it is a lack of perspective, lack of understanding what the consequences of your actions are, and these weird impulses that teenagers have, these weird ancient fucking primate impulses that still exist, that are, you know, passed down.
The other thing, I mean, I don't know whether he knew she was 13. There are a lot of issues, but, I mean, at the end of the day, if you have sex with a 13-year-old, you know, and she's drugged up, I don't know, man.
Now, the Krakow ghettos, but let me give you an example.
The Krakow ghettos, I believe this is a good statistic.
Four million Jews lived there roughly over almost 700 years in Poland.
They were a huge part of the fabric, the academic fabric and the business fabric.
And by the end of that four years, five years of four million, five million Jews, there were about less than 50,000 left.
They'd all been killed.
And Krakow, remember, most of the terrible concentration camps were in Poland.
And if you lived in that Krakow ghetto, During that time period it was the worst some of the worst probably one of the worst places to be in the history Look at that during the age of five he attended primary school for only a few weeks until all the Jewish children were Abruptly expelled.
God, that's gotta be so fucking scary Yeah, just tell your children you can't go to school anymore cuz you're Jews and they got then they were sent off Sent off to concentration camps, killed very quickly.
You know, today, you would say it would be 25 years, at least, right?
If someone did that to a 13-year-old, you'd say 25 years in jail.
If he comes over here, and it's so many years after the crime, does he have to do the same amount of time that he would have had to do if it was the 1970s when he was convicted?
Well, now you're talking about the difference between natural law and circumstantial law.
So, you know, natural law would say, whatever the case, what you did was out of the nature of how human beings would behave.
You stole something, there's no other reason, there's no other circumstance, it doesn't matter, it's not relevant, you go to jail.
You killed somebody, the fact of the matter is that it's unnatural to kill somebody, you pay with your life.
Well, modern societies realize that crimes are committed—and I don't even think it was modern societies.
I mean, it was always the question.
The biggest—Cicero, it goes back to the Romans, where it says, look, if you park your chariot here in this town, well, you're going to get a fine.
Oh, but you know what?
Where I live in Carthage, I can park my chariot there.
And the guy goes, all right, well, here's a warning.
Don't do it again, because now you're in Rome.
But, if you snatch a baby out of a woman's arms and kill it, or something terrible, regardless, the law will say in Rome, no, you go to jail.
No, but in Carthage we're allowed to do that, or I'm from the Mongol-Tartar steppes, we do that.
Fine.
That's fine.
You're still gonna pay with your life.
Why?
Because what you did falls under an unnatural act.
So no matter what your culture says, that was an unnatural act, an unnatural act meaning they were outside the realm of human conduct, and so you must pay a price regardless of where you're from, including whether or not you knew that was right or wrong.
That's a very important aspect of law.
It's something that people talk about all the time.
That's how you start drawing distinctions between crimes that are excusable based on circumstance and crimes that just...
Drug smuggling is one thing, but there are crimes like all of us in most societies would suggest that if an adult has sex with a five-year-old, I don't give a fuck, It's an unnatural it's an unnatural crime and you're all you're gonna do you're gonna do did you see that the Silk Road creator got life in prison without the possibility of parole no did you see that it's insane the Silk Road as in Afghanistan no the Silk Road is it was a dark web there's a great documentary
by Alex Winter what's it called the deep web and it's about the dark web it's about this the system that was created by the military and And They were using it to buy and sell drugs and some people who bought those drugs died and they they overdosed These people that were using it were not him and wasn't the guy who created it The guy created just a portal for people to use it He created a way for people to communicate and exchange drugs for money or for bitcoins
or for whatever They were investigated by these DEA agents turned out the DEA agents stole like hundreds of thousands of dollars and And Bitcoin, and transferred it into personal accounts, and there was a lot of fuckery involved.
And he went to jail, and they just tried him and convicted him, and the judge sentenced him to life in prison.
Life.
For creating a website.
If the appeal is not successful, he will concurrently serve two life sentences, a 20 year sentence, a 15 year sentence, and a 5 year sentence without parole.
I think you get railroaded by the government in these sort of cases.
They wanted to convict him.
If they want to, they can keep things out of evidence.
The idea that you get a totally fair trial is really sad.
It's not the case, especially when it comes to drugs.
You know, when Todd McCormick got arrested, he went to jail for growing medical marijuana legally under state laws.
They addressed him, they arrested him, and prosecuted him in a federal court.
When they get you in a federal court, the first thing they tell you is, there is no such thing as medical marijuana, so you're not allowed to mention medical marijuana.
You can't use it as a defense, you can't bring it up.
Like, you could cause a mistrial or you could get sanctioned by the court if you change the definitions, if you bring up the fact that it's legal in your state.
Since it's not legal federally, it's irrelevant.
So they silence you from communicating the realities of this nuanced situation.
They try to pretend that it's black and white.
You were selling drugs, yes or no!
Well, yes, but I was selling them legally in the state of California as voted upon by the people of California.
There was a proposition that was passed.
Medical marijuana was passed.
I was selling it legally through this proposition.
And they can't say that.
So he went to jail.
Never in his defense was he ever allowed to even say he was growing it legally in his state because federal charges trump state laws.
It was established a long fucking time ago when the world was different.
The world was way different when they started establishing income tax.
It was just way different.
And they could get away with dictator-type shit like that.
But if there was no tax system in place and they just started taxing us, taking all this money, we'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck, man?
Well, you have to look no further than civil forfeiture laws.
Look at those fucking creepy things, where they just pull you over and you have $10,000 on you, and they decide we're going to take it because we think you're selling drugs.
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