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March 10, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #624 - Tom Segura
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brian redban
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joe rogan
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tom segura
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ari shaffir
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unidentified
down the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day so i got that book in the mail You got it?
joe rogan
I got that book.
The Real Man.
tom segura
Have you been getting better?
joe rogan
I've been working on my real man skills.
Tommy Bunz, this is Tom Segura, ladies and gentlemen, aka Tommy Bunz from Your Mom's House podcast and many other things.
But he introduced me to a great man, a man who wrote a book that every man should read.
What is his name again?
Julian Ray?
tom segura
You nailed it.
Julian Ray.
joe rogan
And he wrote a book called The Real Man, which might be the worst book that anybody ever wrote.
tom segura
You know, it's epic on a lot of levels.
Do you know what I was thinking about after you left?
joe rogan
What?
tom segura
Is that, like every dude, it really is his...
It's his game for getting laid, was making that book.
He's the guy that goes like...
Ignore these guys that are they're whistling at you and saying things about the way I respect you But you know I mean like it's that play to get laid and writing that book is just his play To get pussy is what I'm saying, right?
joe rogan
It's his play to separate himself from the pack by showing his wisdom Exactly and showing and being like I'm not a pig right like these other guys everyone else We're over it.
What is that connected to TriCaster thing?
So we're at Tommy's house.
You see those yellow tabs?
If you don't see this live, what he has is this thing, this book where he has these yellow tabs at virtually everything interesting in the book.
So they're overflowing with yellow tabs.
And Tommy just goes to them and just laughing as he's going to each tab, just like that.
Every time you go to the table, look at your face.
You're so happy.
tom segura
I... I started doing that because I saw Oprah do it with books when she had guests.
She was like, let me read you a passage from your book.
And so I was like, I've got to start marking my favorite passages from this book.
joe rogan
With post-it notes, that's a very clever way of doing it.
tom segura
There are three separate chapters in this book that address just smelling good.
He has a chapter called Smell.
He has a chapter called Body Odor.
And a chapter called Sanitation.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
It's so ridiculous.
tom segura
It's crazy.
It's all basically don't smell bad.
joe rogan
Oh, that is so funny.
tom segura
Yeah.
And that dude gave me that book in person, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, he ran up to you in Hong Kong, right?
tom segura
Yep.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
tom segura
And then we found his dating profile online.
Did you get that, too?
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, he has a dating profile?
We don't need to mock this gentleman anymore than we already have.
tom segura
It's already heavy.
joe rogan
It feels cruel.
tom segura
And I read it in full on my podcast, his dating profile.
joe rogan
He's been mocked.
Plenty.
He's probably like, every time he hears about it, he's like, that one fucking book.
unidentified
Yep.
joe rogan
If I just didn't go up to him and gave him that one fucking book.
tom segura
That one asshole.
That one guy.
Yeah, he says he dabbles in stand-up, too.
joe rogan
I bet he's hilarious.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
He should be on the Ding Dong Show.
tom segura
Yeah, no.
He would crush it there.
Yeah, he would crush the Ding Dong Show.
joe rogan
There's a lot of weird dudes out there, man.
tom segura
There is.
And you know what?
That's the thing.
I actually was like...
You know, he...
I really think that every dude's personality to a degree is developed as their play to get laid.
You know what I mean?
Everyone takes their angle.
Some are more genuine than others, but I think he really got into this because he thought, this will be the way that I do it.
This is my way to get girls.
joe rogan
By writing a book, telling everybody how to be.
tom segura
I think so.
I think in his mind, it'll show these other ladies that like...
I'm so respectful of women that you should give me a chance.
That's how I see it.
joe rogan
So respectful that I'm published.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
Is there like misspellings in this book and everything?
Because I'm looking at all the reviews, which are all your fans, I can tell, but it looks like he spelled breath wrong, or what's the breath thing?
tom segura
Well, is there an E at the end?
joe rogan
It's B-U-R-E-T-H. Your breathe should be delicious and refreshing.
brian redban
Bad breathe.
tom segura
Yeah, I mean, there's nine word chapters, so...
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Not paragraphs.
tom segura
Yeah, chapters.
unidentified
Wow.
tom segura
Yeah.
Yeah, poor guy.
joe rogan
Well, you know what, man?
Maybe he enjoys it.
Everybody's got a different frequency.
Maybe to him, he's like, I don't know what the fuck these guys are talking about.
I nailed it.
I go over that book with a fine-tooth comb, I don't find any flaws.
Matter of fact, I think it might be the greatest piece of literature ever created.
tom segura
Yeah, and then, you know, people started, I think you said it, and then I got a bunch of emails from people being like, we have to make this a New York Times bestseller.
joe rogan
I bought it immediately.
Amazon one-clicked it while I was on your show.
tom segura
You know he's been getting emails like notifying him of either reviews or sales where he's like, this shit's finally taken off.
unidentified
I've been waiting for this to take off, and it just picked up this week.
joe rogan
I've told you that story about Joey Diaz hiding behind the curtains of the Comedy Store while this woman was on stage.
This woman used to bomb every week.
She was an open-miker.
But she was one of those open-mikers that was always there.
She was always there.
She was there on a Friday night, Saturday night.
I think they kicked her out of the store.
I don't think she's allowed to go to the store anymore.
She was crazy.
Anyway, she's on stage and doing her usual jokes.
But Joey Diaz had snuck behind the stage and he was back behind the curtain.
He drops his pants.
And every time she says a punchline, he opens the curtains and people see his belly, his ball bag, his chest.
And then he closes the curtains, and it's like, it was the ultimate punchline machine.
And she crushed, dude.
She crushed.
She was strutting on stage with confidence.
She was like, all of a sudden, people get it.
They finally get me.
That's so great!
tom segura
It's so great.
Did she find out right away or no?
joe rogan
She never found out.
To this day, I don't say her name when I talk about it because I don't want people to know.
Maybe I said it once.
But most of the time, I don't say her name.
tom segura
And you know, though, that when she tells people about Stamps, she's like, should have been there, man.
joe rogan
June 7th, 2003. Well, I was there the next time she got on stage, or one of the next times she got on stage.
And she's like, God, this audience sucks!
She's like, all of a sudden, it was like the audience's fault.
tom segura
That's so funny.
There's such a funny thing about, like, some of the...
I remember, like, some open micers, their unwavering, like, dedication...
To sticking to, and I'm saying not like somebody who's developing, like who's horrific, and they're just like, nope, every fucking time.
How long have you been to it?
19 years.
And you're like, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Well, you know what it becomes, man?
It becomes like their culture.
Like that's their hangout.
Yeah, that's true.
That is like amateur bowling night.
Like should you only bowl if you're going to be a professional bowler?
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
You know, I mean, to someone who's like a serious bowler and they watch some fuckheads like you and I go there and gutterball it and...
tom segura
You guys are taking up lanes, man!
joe rogan
Rolling in as hard as you can.
unidentified
Yeah, totally.
joe rogan
That's what I do.
tom segura
That's what I do, too.
joe rogan
I'm fucking terrible at bowling, but...
tom segura
I'm gonna shot put this shit down there.
joe rogan
Think about it, man.
We don't respect that at all out of comedians.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Like, if you're a terrible bowler and you go to the bowling alley, the other bowler's like, look at this fucking loser.
But if you're a terrible comedian, a lot of people will look down upon you.
tom segura
Definitely.
joe rogan
Just great judgment.
tom segura
Yeah.
Disgust.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What if that happens?
I think that happens with bowlers?
tom segura
I think so.
joe rogan
This gutter ball rolling bitch.
tom segura
I think it's probably like, you know, some comedians would ignore somebody really bad.
They'd just be like, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, sometimes you can't.
You gotta ignore them because then they'll just corner you.
True.
They'll corner you and they'll ask you what the secret is.
You gotta tell them where the leprechaun lives.
tom segura
Yeah.
How often do you get asked where the secret is?
I bet it's quite a bit, right?
joe rogan
Not really.
tom segura
No?
joe rogan
No.
The secret?
No.
tom segura
No?
Like not even like emails?
Dude, I'm starting out.
joe rogan
Yeah, I get those occasionally.
But my email is not very obvious.
And the other thing is that even if I do get those, If I don't know, I can't tell you anything.
So what am I going to do?
There's very few things you could tell someone who's just starting out or someone who's not doing well.
Very few things you could tell them.
Especially without knowing them.
tom segura
I used to say a lot more and now I got it down to a sentence.
I mean, I'm honest with it.
I'm just like, write a lot, get on stage a lot.
What else am I going to tell you?
Write a lot, get on stage a lot.
joe rogan
Not only that, there's some people that even if they write a lot and get on stage a lot, for whatever reason, they're never going to figure it out.
No matter what it is, whether it's being a musician or being good at fucking bowling.
There's people that I played pool with back when I played pool.
I played pool for years.
There's people that never got any better than they were the first time I met them.
tom segura
That is crazy.
I mean, and I know it's not, I'm not saying it about just those people, but that is kind of a fascinating thing, where, like, you don't- They never get better.
You have no progression.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people like that in martial arts.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
There's a lot of people like that, yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot of people that would hit this, like, really low-level proficiency, where they certainly got better than the first day.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
They weren't like they were in the first day, but they only got to, like, a certain level.
And then they just stopped.
They stopped figuring out.
I don't think it's an athletic talent thing.
I think it's like a focus thing or a desire thing.
tom segura
That's something you realize as you get older is that some people do not have the ability to hone in and like zone, focus on something really hard.
Some people have an unbelievable, like the best athletes have this amazing ability to focus on their goal, on their training, on what they're doing.
And then, you know, artists too, like they focus on their music, on their writing.
And I've noticed that there's just people, friends in life who, they can't focus on anything.
Like they can't make their job that they might like or not like.
A big part of like they're you know wanting to get they want to get they want to progress But they don't know how to focus on getting better at it.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
They're like I wish I was further along But you're there they're just so scrambled all the time That's a really common thing with comedians and they pretend that they're not scrambled, right?
They always want to tell you how organized they are now.
tom segura
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I got notes now and everything look at this book They do the same goddamn material every goddamn week for years on end.
tom segura
I got a guy a fucking guest spot At a club.
And I shouldn't have.
And I was working the club and I had worked with him before.
And this lady was like, oh shit.
Well, she goes, so he's good?
And I'm like, yeah, watch him.
And so he does this set on the first show.
It was like a Saturday night.
He does a guest spot.
And it doesn't go well.
And he was like, fuck, you know, what I'm going to do is on the second, because there's a second show, he's like, I'll do a whole other set.
And I was like, all right.
And I go, well, just watch him on the second show.
He's going to do a completely different set.
Because he, you know, he was like, that was this material.
I'll do all this other material.
I go, okay.
And he just went up there and did the exact same set as the first show.
And I was like, you spent ten minutes explaining to me how you were going to do all different material.
And he was like, yeah, I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know what happened.
joe rogan
He panicked, that's what happened.
tom segura
Yeah, he panicked, yeah.
joe rogan
He panicked.
He didn't feel comfortable enough to do it.
Well, sometimes when you're doing stand-up, especially When you're new, there's this mindset where you're so worried about the response that you're almost anticipating it while you're telling the joke, which distracts from your focus of the joke, which makes the joke bad.
And you get super nervous and then you go into this weird shell.
And that's when guys start busting out really familiar material just to try to get back on track or to get on track.
tom segura
That's true.
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's probably what he did.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
And then he couldn't, I think he probably, he probably started with one joke from the first set, and then when that didn't, like, make him feel comfortable, he goes, I'll just keep doing the first set.
He never felt comfortable enough to switch it up.
joe rogan
Well, you know what guest sets, the problem with those things are, too?
A lot of them are by dudes who don't work that much.
So when they go up, it's a big deal.
And they fucking panic because it's a sold-out room, like on a Friday night or something like that.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I stopped giving those out a long time ago.
It's just too many disasters.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I saw some goddamn disastrous guest sets.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Friends, you know, you light them up like, yeah, I'm starting to do stand-up again.
Really?
How long have you been doing it?
Well, I went up last week, went well.
tom segura
Yeah, like, all right, go ahead.
I'll tell you this, this is something that totally changed, and it's because of, like, just practice at anything changes how you do, you know, how you do anything.
And, you know, when I first started out, all my sets were 7 minutes and then 10 minutes and 15 minutes, you know, and so on.
And there was a point where, like, I could do, like, just crazy good, solid work.
10-minute sets and then now for the last couple years the majority of the time I'm on stage It's like an hour like that's what I you know you go up there you do an hour Now when I do a 10-minute set I'm like like what the fuck am I gonna do in 10 minutes?
joe rogan
You panic!
tom segura
Yeah, I really like start to like figure like what should I and then you're like what should I take out of the hour to do here or how do I introduce a new 10 minutes?
joe rogan
It's a whole different thing for me now That's why it's really hard for people to do TV shows, like Letterman or something like that.
You're doing five minutes?
tom segura
I've done it twice.
I've done, not Letterman, but I've done Conan and I've done The Late Late Show.
And, uh, absolutely.
It's like, and then, and both of them, there's a guy behind the camera who's circling his, like, will you wrap this shit up?
You're at five minutes and eight seconds.
Like, that's long, you know?
So he's like this, and you're just like, ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta ignore that guy.
That guy's distracting as fuck.
tom segura
Yeah, he's just trying to get that, you know, do his job, but yeah, that's hard to do.
joe rogan
There's a lot of those just trying to do my job people that are annoying.
When Ari was filming his special, there was some fucking dude that was working the camera.
He was talking like this, like in the back of the comedy store, which is about- As he's shooting?
Ten foot deep, you know?
How big is the fucking comedy store?
It's a small place.
And this guy, the cameras are moving back and forth.
They decided to have cameras on dollies, like they way overproduced it.
They needed to just set some cameras up in the corners, set them up, get a static shot.
You don't have to keep moving around the room.
Like, just stop.
But they did it anyway, right?
So they did it, and this guy was, like, directing things.
So he's in the back.
Yeah, Lenny, zoom in left, zoom in left.
I mean, and I'm not kidding.
People were like, what the fuck?
Like, we had to turn around.
And I had to talk to people.
I go, what is this?
Why is this guy so loud?
And they're like, he's been doing it.
We try to tell them, like, the people that work the door.
We tried to tell him to tone it down, but he didn't want to tone it down.
Because you've got to talk to these people that have the cameras.
They have to hear him clearly over the laughter.
So he's talking like this.
It's so distracting.
tom segura
And that's a guy I can already tell that the more people that would tell him the quiet down, he's like, you want to do my job?
You want to do this?
joe rogan
I don't know if he was like that at all.
I didn't talk to him.
tom segura
You tell Lenny where to zoom in then.
joe rogan
They don't need to move on dollies and shit.
Everybody wants to over-fucking-produce these things.
Put a camera in the center, bang!
Put a camera on the side, bang!
Put a camera on the side, bang!
Don't usually use the cameras on the side unless there's something weird going on.
Focus on that camera in the center.
tom segura
All you need for a special is a wide, a medium, and a tight shot.
That's really all you need.
joe rogan
They want to add all kinds of crafty shit to it.
They didn't even let the Comedy Store be the Comedy Store.
When I got there, there was all these crazy lights on the side of the stage.
It was weird.
They changed the lighting.
I was like, you guys doctored it up.
If you're going to be at the Comedy Store, don't you think you should look like the Comedy Store maybe?
tom segura
I think that was the point of being there.
joe rogan
Why is the Comedy Store all these fucking landing lights next to it?
Why is the room red?
tom segura
I do like the trend.
I think it's become a trend now to go back to clubs for specials.
I like it a lot.
joe rogan
I love doing mine in a club.
This is my favorite special.
tom segura
That's the best club, dude.
That club is amazing.
You picked the best club.
joe rogan
There's like four of the best clubs, but that's one of them.
tom segura
That's one of them.
joe rogan
Helium in Portland is one of the best clubs.
Helium in Philly, that's one of the best clubs.
tom segura
I agree.
Acme in Minneapolis.
joe rogan
I never did that.
tom segura
You never did Acme?
joe rogan
No, I went there once.
tom segura
It's ridiculous.
joe rogan
I went there once when Arge Barker was performing.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
You'll lose your mind.
joe rogan
It looked amazing.
tom segura
It's just like those clubs, just like Comedy Works downtown.
Go Bananas, Cincinnati is a fun one.
joe rogan
That's a good one.
tom segura
What else?
joe rogan
What other good ones are there?
Let me think.
Oh, Dangerfields in New York City?
You ever do that?
tom segura
Never did that.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's a good one.
That's an evil club.
There's some fucking satanic shit going on in that place.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, you know, I mean, it might just be literally, it might just be like when something stays around too long.
tom segura
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
It just soaks up weird vibes.
The Comedy Store definitely has weird vibes in it.
There's a weird vibe to that place.
And Dangerfields has a weird vibe, too.
Although Dangerfields, for the longest time, didn't have the best comedians.
I don't know how it is now, but when I was there, there were some real good ones.
There was the occasional good one, but there was a lot of really bad comics that literally didn't work anywhere else.
tom segura
That's in the city?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, it's on the east side somewhere.
I don't remember where it is.
But I did that place a lot.
And that's another one.
They filmed Rodney Dangerfield's comedy special there.
His HBO comedy special with Kinnison.
tom segura
Dangerfield at Dangerfield's?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, they filmed it with Kinnison and I think Dice.
I think Dice and Kinnison were on the same one.
tom segura
That's where they shot that?
I didn't know that.
I've seen that one.
joe rogan
Yeah, was it Dice and Kinnison?
No.
No, Dice was with Bill Hicks, right?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Pretty sure Dice was with Bill Hicks.
Kinnison was on a different one.
But either way, they filmed the Kinnison one there at Dangerfields, and it's just perfect.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just a small stage and a small room, and everybody's shoved in there tight, and it's all dark.
There's mysterious handjobs going on throughout the room.
It's a dark place.
tom segura
A lot of mysterious ones.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a weird place, man.
There's that.
There's a few.
There's a few, like, let me think of some other ones that are really good.
Comedy Magic Club, pretty goddamn good.
tom segura
It's a great club.
joe rogan
And the Ice House is the best room of all time.
tom segura
Ice House is stupid good, man.
joe rogan
It's number one.
That's number one.
That fucking main room.
tom segura
And people, like, even more people in L.A., comics, I'm saying, You know, everyone complains about how far...
Like, it's not that...
You should be going there all the time.
It's amazing.
joe rogan
It's 20 minutes away, you weak bitch.
Just drive over there, man.
It's the best setup in the country.
And the staff, they're the nicest people on earth.
tom segura
It's the coolest, yeah.
joe rogan
They're so nice.
Everyone is just all hugs and laughs, and they're all sexually harassing each other.
It's hilarious.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
They're hilarious.
tom segura
How a staff should be.
joe rogan
The girls are mocking the dude's penises, like, openly.
I came out of the green room, and they were, like, mocking each other.
tom segura
I was like, this is hilarious.
joe rogan
But they're laughing.
When people, like, work at comedy clubs, too, a lot of times, they have, like, the whole, like, PR thing or HR, human resources, never really comes into play.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
You're used to hearing about people gagging on cocks, you know, like, over and over again.
tom segura
How could you get a film?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So he works here on the weekend.
You were watching like five shows.
tom segura
Fisting jokes and everything.
What are you going to complain?
joe rogan
And so everybody's always, they're more like, what's the word you would use?
Loose with their dialogue?
tom segura
I can imagine a staff person at a club like that, and then they go over to Applebee's and people are probably like, yo, what is up with you and all your cum jokes?
We're trying to serve the fucking Jack Daniels steak and shrimp.
Fucking tone it down.
joe rogan
Some of my favorite people work at comedy clubs.
tom segura
Yeah, they're great, man.
It's a special breed.
joe rogan
That's another thing that we need to realize as comedians, a very important thing that I try to tell as many young guys as possible.
Everybody always wants to think that there's some sort of an adversarial relationship between you and the comedy club, especially in the beginning.
Guys like, oh, they're not paying me enough money, or they don't give me good weekends, or this and that and that and this.
There's always gonna be person-to-person conflicts, but here's what's important.
If comedy clubs weren't around, we'd be fucked.
So we need people to run comedy clubs.
And guess who's not gonna run comedy clubs?
tom segura
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Us.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Okay?
We need those fucking people.
unidentified
We need those, yeah.
joe rogan
They're very important.
And they're not us.
They're different.
So imagine being a non-comedian working with a bunch of fucking nutty comedians all the time with all their crazy problems and their addictions and their excuses and showing up late.
tom segura
Divas and shit.
joe rogan
Doing heroin on stage, you know?
Whatever the fuck they do.
tom segura
Where my shoes at?
joe rogan
Craziness!
We've all seen people's riders, you know, where they have a fresh pair of shoes backstage for them.
I've seen riders where dudes had a fresh pair of sneakers.
Can you imagine if you had to deal with this shit?
I gotta give this guy fucking sneakers!
He's gonna have his size 11 Jordans in the box right there, waiting before he goes on stage.
He slips them on right before he goes up.
That's his ritual.
Green M&Ms, you fuck!
Only green!
tom segura
Asians, you know, they're always doing something.
joe rogan
It's always the Asians, right?
I was going to say Pakistani, but I guess that's Asia.
tom segura
That is Asia, that's true.
I did a club where they had a PlayStation, and I was like, that's the shit.
Thanks, dude.
And they're like, we got it for fucking asshole.
Who made us buy one so he would do his shows.
So enjoy.
Let it go out and buy a fucking PlayStation.
joe rogan
Yeah, see man, if you were a regular person just trying to run a little business, maybe it'll be a fun business.
I'm in the restaurant bar business.
Maybe I'd like to run a comedy club.
tom segura
Yeah, it'd be fun, right?
joe rogan
And then Joey Diaz is calling you from Vegas.
Listen, dog, you gotta wire this money.
You gotta wire this money.
We got no show, cocksucker.
Joey and his crazy days.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
I mean, anybody.
I mean, think of the comedy nightmare stories that we've heard about comedians doing stupid shit to a club or to a club owner.
tom segura
Dude, I remember...
Yeah, I know.
I remember I did a club years ago.
I get to the condo.
I'm like, how's the condo looking?
And they're like, well...
The guy that just left, he shaved his pubes in the sink, and I'm like, dude, I wish you would not have told me that.
And then, you know, so-and-so left a piece of salmon under the bed, so the whole place would smell like fish.
joe rogan
Oh, fucker.
Brendan Walsh.
People do shit like that, man.
And here's the other thing they do.
When people get out of the clubs, there's this thing that they do when they go to theaters.
They almost despise clubs then.
I would never go back and work the club.
I work the theater.
They have this weird image thing.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's that?
Why would you be ashamed of clubs?
tom segura
That's all ego.
joe rogan
That's so stupid.
tom segura
Yeah.
And the whole thing is for 90%, maybe more, if you do make the leap, From clubs and theaters, you're still going to go back to clubs.
Almost everyone's draw dips again.
joe rogan
Well, Louis C.K. has one coming out that he did at the Comedy Store.
And that's one of the things that he talked about.
He's like, you know, because he does arenas now.
I mean, he does like Madison Square Garden.
tom segura
Huge.
joe rogan
It's like 14,000 people, right?
So he does that.
He does theaters.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Anywhere between like a thousand and, you know, whatever.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then he also does the clubs, which is everything we would consider like, I think clubs like, Everything below 500. Even like that place in Phoenix, that's kind of like a comedy club slash theater.
tom segura
Which is a great room, by the way.
That's my favorite.
I think that's my favorite big room in the country.
I like that one a lot.
joe rogan
It's pretty goddamn good.
brian redban
San Jose, that can't even be considered a comedy club, can it?
tom segura
It's a theater.
It's an old theater.
It's over four, so you could technically be like it's a club, but it doesn't have the layout of a club.
It looks actually like a beautiful, historic theater.
joe rogan
Yeah, that place is amazing.
That's a beautiful theater.
tom segura
I just did West Palm.
I did it one night there last week.
That place is giant.
Giant!
joe rogan
700 people.
brian redban
They have TVs halfway through, so halfway through, if you're too far away, you can just look at a TV, like a UFC. And I did Irvine last month.
tom segura
I did a night there.
joe rogan
That's a giant one.
I'm doing that in June.
I'm doing a weekend there in June.
That place is enormous, man.
tom segura
But that is probably the best run comedy club.
Oh, yeah.
That's got home base.
joe rogan
Yeah, they know there should be.
You know what else, too?
There's a lot of comedy fans out there because they've cultivated that over years and years.
And it's hard for them to get out of town.
Getting out of town sucks a fat dick if you live in Irvine.
Irvine's fucking far.
That might as well be San Diego.
It might as well be.
The difference between getting to Irvine and San Diego is just leaving the house a little earlier.
Sure.
It's far, yeah.
If you leave the house at 3 and try to get to Irvine, it's like leaving the house at 2 and trying to get to San Diego.
tom segura
It is.
joe rogan
You get there at the same time.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, you really will.
tom segura
It's hours.
joe rogan
Oh my God, it's death.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
But if you miss that traffic, it's crazy.
If you miss it, you're just like, I'm here an hour and a half early.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
What the fuck?
tom segura
It's crazy.
joe rogan
You can miss it, but I don't know what that time is.
There's like an 11 o'clock to 1 o'clock window of opportunity.
tom segura
When I was emceeing, and I had an Irvine weekend, I would leave at like fucking 1 in the afternoon.
joe rogan
Just get down there early.
tom segura
Yeah, just hang out.
joe rogan
Hey, why not, man?
Do some work, you know, get your notebook out, go over some jokes.
Better than freaking out in traffic at 5.45, stop dead, going, how long is this going to last?
What if this is another hour?
It's a fucking seven o'clock show.
tom segura
I only missed my set one time in my whole entire career, and it was emceeing Ontario years ago when it rained.
So it rained.
So, you know, everything gets backed up a little bit.
Like, traffic gets worse.
And I left L.A., Hollywood at like, it was like an 8 o'clock show, and I left at like 6 to go to Ontario.
I got, when I ran in, the feature was like, alright, thanks everybody.
I was like, shit.
Missed my set completely.
unidentified
Whoa.
tom segura
Just, you know, I mean, this town teaches you to leave way earlier than you should.
joe rogan
What is it going to be like in 10 years?
tom segura
When there's even more people?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're going to keep going.
Unless there's some sort of a natural disaster, LA's going to continue to grow.
Unless there's one of them, the rock earthquakes, like this movie he's got coming out.
tom segura
Oh yeah, San Andreas, right?
joe rogan
It'll take some shit like that.
And then everybody's just going to overrun Colorado.
Then everybody's just going to move to Colorado.
tom segura
People have like...
You know, they propose that nothing would be better for Earth than a significant wipeout of a certain percentage of the population, right?
Like, for everything.
joe rogan
That's very short-sighted on Earth's point.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because I would say, Earth, listen, we're the only ones, out of all the shit that you got growing, the only ones that might be able to figure out how to divert a fucking asteroid.
So, watch your mouth, bitch.
tom segura
Yeah, talk some shit.
joe rogan
You want us out there fucking and making computers.
Yeah, we throw some shit in the ocean.
We'll figure that out in a couple generations.
But what we're doing is we're paying attention to the fact there's rocks above you.
tom segura
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Bitch.
joe rogan
Bitch.
tom segura
Earth.
You're a fucking whining bitch.
joe rogan
Human beings.
unidentified
Worried about a natural disaster would be the best thing to happen to Earth.
joe rogan
Yeah, how much of a natural disaster?
Fuck, Ed.
Because you got hit by, you forgot about this, you got hit by a planet once.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Earth got hit by a goddamn planet at one point in time.
tom segura
How long ago?
joe rogan
Before your time.
tom segura
Like 100 years ago?
1890?
joe rogan
72. Before slavery was abolished.
God was trying to wipe out slavery with Earth, with another planet.
I think it was like a billion years into Earth's life cycle.
tom segura
Yeah.
That was a while back.
joe rogan
Imagine, though, if you saw a planet in the sky and was slowly coming towards us, and astronomers are like, we've got a rogue planet.
There's a rogue planet headed our way.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we have two years to do with this.
Oh, by the way, we lied about going to the moon.
We've never actually really landed anywhere other than Earth.
Sorry.
tom segura
And then as the planet gets closer, people are like, where's it going to hit?
They keep changing where they think it's going to hit, and then it lands, and then they're like, it's going to be North Korea.
Everyone's like, all right.
joe rogan
It's going to hit so hard that even if you do leave now in a spaceship, the aftershocks of the impact will blow your spaceship apart in space.
So it's pointless to leave just every day.
unidentified
Ah!
Ah, murder, chaos, machetes, gunfire, fucking.
tom segura
Billionaires would all still be gone, though.
joe rogan
Dance parties.
tom segura
They would still be in their rockets, like, fuck it, I'm gonna do it anyways.
joe rogan
Do you think they would try?
tom segura
I think so, yeah.
unidentified
I think we could reinforce the outside and beat the shockwaves.
joe rogan
I've done my own calculations, Roger.
tom segura
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Maybe one guy just...
Thinks it'd be cute to get that guy up in space.
tom segura
Paul Allen would be up there.
joe rogan
You think so?
tom segura
Yeah.
Watching from above.
You guys are fucked.
I can see it coming.
joe rogan
You don't want to be that guy, though, man.
You don't want to be alone in space with a billion dollars.
tom segura
No!
That sounds so fucking...
That's so depressing to think about.
joe rogan
I would way rather die.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Way rather.
tom segura
With the rest of us?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't want to live in space in some tiny community that...
You know, I was trying to suck water out of rocks on Mars.
tom segura
No, no, that sounds horrible.
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
You know how long people have worked to turn Earth into what you can enjoy right now?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
This has been a long process to get to 2015. And you're just going to bypass all that and shoot yourself off into space like an asshole?
tom segura
Somebody would.
You know they would.
Somebody would.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We would have to be thousands of years more advanced than we are now, to the point where we could change the atmosphere of a planet.
We could land on Mars and do something.
There's a term, a scientific term.
For when they reintroduce oxygen to an atmosphere of a planet.
I forget what it is, but they've developed machines that they could theoretically...
tom segura
Oh, photogenesis.
joe rogan
No, that's...
tom segura
No, I know.
joe rogan
I'm just an asshole.
I think it's just when you're good looking.
But whatever that term is, they eventually want to do that to Mars.
They eventually want to fly there, set up these gigantic gas-making machines, and somehow or another make oxygen.
tom segura
It is cool.
Like, you know that, you know, we can't even wrap our heads around how amazing it'll be.
Like, how, you know, in thousands of years, like, we can't wrap our heads around what life is going to be.
But we do have the benefit of looking back and seeing, like, how much better our lives are than every generation before.
I'm talking about just quality of life.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom segura
Like, how hard life used to be.
It's just, it's so, you know, and you look at lifespans, you know, people living to their 30s was an average lifespan a long time.
You know what I mean?
You got married and you had your kid at 13 and that was standard.
And then everybody got a cold and they're like, well, he's dead.
He died.
It was cold.
That's what happens.
You get cold and you die.
It was horrific.
joe rogan
And not only that, what we're talking about was 100 years ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what's really bananas.
tom segura
Dude, you know what I always think about?
Air conditioning.
Like how fucking normal that is to us how you're like it's a hundred out and you walk in you're like everything's fine now like It's not just fine you watch TV in your underwear picking your balls Meanwhile you could not bad food on your driveway.
Yeah, you literally cook food in your driveway And then of course the reality there's some people who don't have that obviously still who are like you're like Jesus imagine right now if I didn't have that like how in in the worst hot day how horrific The quality of life becomes.
joe rogan
Like Phoenix.
Like Phoenix in the summer.
tom segura
It's brutal.
Vegas, Phoenix.
joe rogan
Vegas in the summer.
It's insane.
It's insane.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's hard to imagine that anybody can endure those temperatures.
tom segura
I remember doing gigs in Vegas, July, August, where you're at one casino, whatever, the Bellagio, and you're like, I'm going to walk to the next one.
Just the next one.
You forget how the size, the magnet, you know, of just the buildings.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
And that next one is, I don't know, a quarter mile or something, maybe a little more than that.
That's not far to go.
But when it's 124 outside and you're just walking down and you get there, you're like, I'm going to check into this hotel.
Like, I'm not even going to go back to my old hotel.
It is a fucking brutal outside.
joe rogan
It's insane.
It's like a hair dryer blowing your face all day.
tom segura
And there's homeless people there.
Like, they live in that.
joe rogan
Do you think you adapt?
tom segura
I think you do adapt to a certain degree, because human beings were just so resilient, and you just, you do adapt to things.
joe rogan
But I think there's also people you're like, you know that they die and well I know that Eskimos or you supposed to call them Inuits they their hands have adapted to deal with the cold like they don't get numb hands like we would if we went up there really their circulation is different their skins different and I also know that like my friend Steve Ranella was just in Bolivia and He has a podcast the meat-eater podcast.
He's talking about this trip to Bolivia is pretty fascinating and One of the things that we're talking about is how it was really hot down there.
Everybody was sweaty.
Except the natives.
The native Chumani, who...
I think that's how you say their name.
They didn't sweat.
Like, to them, it wasn't...
It wasn't that hot.
tom segura
That's unbelievable.
joe rogan
They were used to it.
Everybody else is drenched with sweat.
These guys are barely drinking water.
They drink a little sip of water every now and then.
But you look at them, they're not glistening with sweat like everybody else.
tom segura
It's amazing how quick the adapt and the change happens, too.
I remember for the first 13, 14 years of my life, I lived in cities that had cold winters.
Cincinnati, Milwaukee, Minneapolis.
And we moved.
from Milwaukee to Florida in November and in November sometimes in Florida it'll get all the way down to the 50s like in South Florida right so I go to school the first few days and kids have sweatshirts and jackets on and I'm in a t-shirt and shorts we just moved from Milwaukee where it's like three that day right so people look to me and they're like are you out of your fucking mind like what are you doing why are you doing this and I'm like This is the best day I've had in months.
This is really warm.
And then, you know, but the thing is, the next year, the next year, you change.
You adapt to the new temperature.
And then I was cold in 50. Then I'm wearing jackets.
Yeah, it changes.
It changes really fast.
joe rogan
I walked into a Starbucks the other day and these ladies were complaining about the rain.
It's been raining so much lately.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm like, you fucking crows.
Yes.
You dumb crows.
tom segura
We're in a horrible drought.
joe rogan
They're just making noise.
Water!
The life-giving water!
unidentified
Coming from the sky!
joe rogan
What's it gonna do?
Water the crops?
Feed the animals?
tom segura
Yeah, we don't need it.
You're right.
joe rogan
It was hilarious.
tom segura
Let's shut it down.
joe rogan
Just people will find something to complain about.
But it's just, it's adorable when you see it.
Because it's like, this is, ah, this is so cliche.
Like, people are complaining at a good thing.
tom segura
I know.
joe rogan
That's been happening quite often.
Like, eh, I wish I wasn't making so much money.
God, I'm always making all this money.
tom segura
I got all these accounts.
joe rogan
Eh, what's with all this sex?
And feeling good and getting my dick sick.
Yeah.
tom segura
That's a real great complaint to have.
joe rogan
People are weird, man.
They're weird.
They'll complain about everything.
I think people just look to complain about shit so a lot of times they don't have to look inward.
There's a lot of complaining going on.
It's just like externally venting your internal frustrations.
tom segura
I think that's most of the time.
Sometimes I catch myself doing it.
joe rogan
But sometimes it's funny.
tom segura
Sometimes it's funny.
joe rogan
That's the problem.
Sometimes when Diaz complains about shit, Diaz complained about dressing.
Different flavors of dressing.
And just start laughing.
He's mocked me for everything I've ever done.
It's always something.
You got your fucking fanny pack over there, Captain?
There'll always be something, you know?
I remember when Eddie Bravo had this fucking wrist bracelet on.
It was like one of those leather bracelets.
You know, those rock and roll type, the snap.
And Joey walks over and goes, what are you, waiting for a fucking falcon to land on your arm?
A falcon!
tom segura
He gave me shit just for talking to people one time.
Because we were traveling together, and it was like the third person that had come up and been like, hey, are you guys doing shows?
And he goes, will you stop fucking talking to people?
What did I do?
He's like, I'm trying to get in the fucking car, get to the hotel, I want to take a nap, play with my balls, stop fucking talking to people.
I'm like, alright, alright, sorry!
But he was so fired up that I was like, hey man, I'm like, That I responded to somebody who wanted to talk.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
brian redban
He gets in those moods, if he doesn't eat, it's ridiculous.
Like, especially right when we land at the airport, him and like, He has to get to his hotel as soon as possible.
Like, Joe would just be punching in, like, an address in the GPS. He's like, just drive!
Coxie, you know, it's just...
joe rogan
Yeah, he gets mad at you.
tom segura
He got mad at me for what I ate, too.
Like, um...
Because I didn't eat enough.
Like, I just happened to, like, that time, and we landed...
joe rogan
Trying to be healthy?
tom segura
Yeah, I ate a salad.
He was like, what the fuck are you doing?
unidentified
He had, like, four plates of wings.
You got a half a dressing?
joe rogan
You got a half a dressing!
You got a fucking half a Momo.
tom segura
Yeah, he was a fantastic.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's quite a character, man.
Getting mad at you for what you eat.
tom segura
Yeah, so funny.
unidentified
Getting mad at you for what you wear.
joe rogan
But that's different.
It's like humorous.
tom segura
That's humorous.
joe rogan
Just whining.
tom segura
Yeah, sometimes I complain and you realize it's funny.
Sometimes in the middle of complaining, I'll just be like, I'm complaining as a distraction.
I don't want to focus on something to do with me.
joe rogan
It's weary.
It's wearisome.
It's tiresome when someone does it.
It's like, oh god.
tom segura
If someone's really negative and not in that funny way, but in just a genuine, like, everything sucks, everyone's out to get me, that shit, you can't be around.
It's not healthy to be around.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people like that.
They get stuck in that rut.
I had an ex-girlfriend like that.
Oh my god.
It was brutal, man.
tom segura
It's like a disease.
joe rogan
She would complain about everything.
I mean, everything from food to the restaurant to the people sitting next to the table to this to that to that to this.
It's just like a constant deluge of just negativity.
Whereas you could be around the same person, the same situation, and they just notice all the cool shit about things and, you know, have a different, balanced perspective, give a little energy to the conversation, be someone that's, you know, sensitive to how other people are perceiving you and what kind of vibe you're giving off.
brian redban
Have you ever been around the extreme opposite, though, where it's usually a girl that's just super positive and can never see any negativity?
That shit's almost as annoying.
joe rogan
Well, delusional is not good, right?
Right.
Delusional is not good.
tom segura
There's delusional.
There's a lot.
I'm just saying it's about girls, about people.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like...
Positive perspective's nice, but yeah, not seeing the negative.
Like, well, you know, I think what he's doing now is just trying to establish himself.
Like, no, he's a crook.
No, he's stealing people's cars.
Like, no, he's a con man.
Well, it's not as easy for him, probably, as it was for you.
So maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt.
tom segura
That's also a certain level of just being naive.
joe rogan
Like, really naive people.
Yeah, naive is a better word.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Clueless, naive, delusional.
brian redban
The girl I know that does that carries around crystals in her purse.
So it's like one of those things.
joe rogan
When you smell patchouli on a girl, do you immediately go, oh Christ.
tom segura
I smell a human being, period.
I'm just like, dude, let's not hang out.
joe rogan
It doesn't smell that bad.
unidentified
I don't like it.
joe rogan
If it was exotic, if it was exotic, it wouldn't smell that bad.
The real problem with patchouli is the people who wear patchouli.
That's the real problem.
tom segura
That's true.
joe rogan
Because, you know, like there's smells that you'll associate with certain things.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like there was a smell of citrus and they got these mice and what they did was they zapped these mice's feet and every time they zapped their feet, they would Spray this citrus smell in the air.
And so these mice would associate this citrus smell with getting zapped.
So I think when you smell patchouli, that shit, you just think, annoying hippie, here we go.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, it's true.
joe rogan
Here we go.
tom segura
It's a first thought.
joe rogan
Here we go, annoying lazy person.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Here we go.
tom segura
You smell and you're like, you're a bad person, I don't like you.
joe rogan
It's all share.
Well, you know, basically like share crops.
tom segura
How about that?
joe rogan
I'll give you my poetry and you can give me some food.
brian redban
It's also a gross smell.
Let's be honest, it smells just disgusting.
tom segura
I don't really like it yet.
joe rogan
Honestly, I couldn't even picture it right now.
brian redban
It smells like black licorice mixed with dirty feet.
joe rogan
If it was a really pretty girl, it probably wouldn't bother you.
If you were really into her, would you put that patchouli on?
brian redban
It's not true.
tom segura
I think you'd be like...
joe rogan
Maybe you're just picky.
brian redban
That smell is nasty.
That's like worse than B.O. Do you like that?
joe rogan
Oh, no, it's not.
That's illogical.
B.O. is disgusting.
Especially B.O. on a woman.
Oh, Christ.
When I'm fucking guys, I don't mind a little B.O. You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
But girls, that's where it is.
brian redban
It's such a violent smell, though.
B.O.? No, no, no.
Patchouli?
It's such a violent smell.
joe rogan
You have to smell my B.O. My B.O. is way more violent than Patchouli.
brian redban
It's like old lady and roses and perfume.
They walk by and you're almost like, I got a headache now from that smell.
joe rogan
Well, that's strong Patchouli.
I like a mild Patchouli.
tom segura
There's B.O. that's, I mean, you know, everyone knows their own, but you ever get in a cab and you're like, Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Yes!
Yes.
tom segura
Whoa, man!
I remember I worked in a real estate office in Boston, like, right after college, and there were these guys, because Boston has, like, just nothing but apartments and nothing but rentals, all day.
joe rogan
I thought you were going to say, nothing but BO. It does.
tom segura
It has nothing but BO, too.
Everyone has BO. There were these three guys, these guys would come in, and when they came in, everyone was like, whoa, as they walked in the door, like, what the fuck?
And these three guys...
As soon as they left, we would take the Febreze, the whole thing.
joe rogan
To let everybody know that you knew.
tom segura
But then, what happened was they needed to check out apartments, so whoever lost The bet in the office at the time would have to take them in their car, because you know they were going to be in your car, you have to get it detailed.
unidentified
Oh my god.
tom segura
So people would be like, no fucking way!
You would try, you'd do whatever you could to not get these dudes, or any guys like them, in your car.
It's almost always dudes that smell like that fucking, that strong.
joe rogan
I had a kid in school.
And when I lived in Florida, it was like the first stinky kid that I remember.
He turned out to be a real nice kid.
He was a sad case.
He had been burned in a fire when he was young.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Not totally, but one of his ears was pretty fucked up.
And he was like really insecure about it.
And we actually got in some sort of a physical altercation.
And I don't remember what the thing was.
But I remember we had to go to the teacher's office.
And...
I remember it wasn't super violent.
We didn't beat each other up.
Maybe pull each other's clothes or something like that.
Because we were like 11. And when we went to the teacher's office, or the principal's office, we had to sit down and talk about it.
The principal asked us both what had happened, and neither one of us was really mad, but when we decided, like, can you guys shake hands and be friends?
He was, like, so eager to shake hands and be friends.
I realized, like, oh, this poor fucking guy, man.
He smells bad, and he's got a burnt ear, and he probably just didn't have any friends.
Like, the reason why he was douchey...
It was probably just he wanted some sort of attention.
I remember thinking that at the time.
unidentified
At that age.
joe rogan
Like, his overwhelming...
I didn't think he was going to sucker punch me.
I didn't think I was going to say, yeah, let's be friends until we get outside, bitch.
There wasn't any of that.
It was like, he really wanted to be friends.
And so I remember we shook hands.
We gave a shake hands hug thing.
And we were cool with each other from then on out.
But that poor bastard stunk.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know if his parents didn't take care of him, or if he was scared to bathe, or, you know, maybe...
tom segura
It's amazing the way smells stick in your memory forever.
They do.
Like, you remember, like, how good something smelled somewhere, or something, you know, you smell it again, you're like, oh, that takes me back to exactly this point.
You remember it, and then a smelly motherfucker.
I can smell those dudes in Boston right now.
I want to get out of here.
I want to leave.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
For cats or pets, you stop smelling cats in litter boxes.
I just put down my cat that I talked about last time I was on the show, and for my first time in 17 years, I get to have a house that has no litter box.
And I don't even know what that's like.
joe rogan
Well, you're lazy, too.
I don't think you clean your litter box every day.
brian redban
No, no, I do it every day.
Oh, yeah, it's like, oh, once a week, just throw it away.
unidentified
Oh, no!
brian redban
Buy a new litter box.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
See, that's the problem.
You have to do that every day, otherwise you're breathing shit fumes.
tom segura
Did you hire a maid?
joe rogan
Piss fumes.
brian redban
I've had a maid.
Right now I don't have a maid.
tom segura
You've got to get a maid.
joe rogan
Why don't you do one of those topless maids?
brian redban
I did that.
I tried that.
I told you that.
tom segura
You did try that?
brian redban
Yeah.
tom segura
How'd it go?
brian redban
It's not good.
It's really bad.
It was like an older woman and her daughter, I think.
What?
joe rogan
You can't choose who you get to do the topless maids?
brian redban
Well, I don't know.
There's a few different companies, but the one I did, there's a van parked down my street, so I just called it.
tom segura
And are you just gawking?
Why don't you do that again?
joe rogan
You're the guy who, like, you rub maps, massage powers.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Why wouldn't you, like, at least do a fine Yelp review?
brian redban
It said 99 bucks, so I wasn't really thinking into it.
And, like, I didn't think, like, oh, wait, I have to watch them clean.
Because when a maid's in, I'm, like, one of the guys that hides because I'm so ashamed.
tom segura
Right.
brian redban
But then, like, you just kind of stand there in the kitchen going, yep, she's topless.
unidentified
What?
brian redban
This is stupid.
What am I doing this to?
joe rogan
Is she really cleaning?
Or are they doing a bad job?
brian redban
No, they're just regular maids that are getting an extra 20 bucks to take their top off, I think.
Because these are these are people that are like they seem like they were related and they seem like just normal maids.
It was very very uncomfortable.
joe rogan
I kind of like it.
brian redban
I felt very bad.
joe rogan
Why?
brian redban
Because it was like sad.
This was an older woman like 50 and maybe her daughter that was maybe 19. Are you sure it was her daughter?
It seemed like a mom and daughter.
unidentified
Really?
brian redban
It was really fucked up.
joe rogan
That's rough.
Well, you know, you got to think if you know someone that's really fucked up and they have a kid, that kid's going to grow up with a fucked up parent.
Like if someone's like really crazy or, you know, if someone is a topless maid for a living, they don't think there's anything wrong with it.
And then, you know, your daughter hits 18. She's like, mom, I want to join the topless maid business.
You're like, hey, it's good enough for me.
Why isn't it good enough for you?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
The mom was a little overweight, but she had humongous Mexican tits, and when she took her bra off, it had the most horrific stretch or marks from her bra, just digging into her.
joe rogan
Did you talk to her when she took her tits out?
brian redban
No, I just sat there and they both just put it in a bucket.
They just put their clothes.
We didn't listen.
They didn't talk or anything.
joe rogan
They didn't say, like, hello?
brian redban
I think they said hello when we came in, but they were, like, not any English.
tom segura
You didn't go, like, in.
brian redban
I was just, like, the kitchen living room.
I only had them clean the kitchen living room and the bathroom.
I didn't even let them go.
tom segura
You should have said you have huge Mexican tits or something like that.
unidentified
They speak English, right?
brian redban
Barely.
I remember they asked where the vacuum cleaner was, and it was very like, vacuum cleaner.
tom segura
Have you looked under your huge Mexican tits?
joe rogan
I would always wonder, like, what is that life like?
I would have to ask them questions.
I would give them extra money just to be able to ask them questions.
I'll say I'll pay you for a whole extra hour if you sit down for another five minutes.
tom segura
How was the daughter?
Attractive?
brian redban
The daughter wasn't bad, but she was a little chubbier also.
They were both a little chubby, but the mom's boobs were weird.
She had the huge hangy ones, and she was cleaning the kitchen.
I would just kind of walk in and be like, oh, what's going on in here?
And her dirty boobs touching the oven while she's cleaning it.
tom segura
You have made it sound very sad.
It's nothing exciting.
brian redban
It was horrible.
I do not recommend it.
joe rogan
I just would want to talk to them and find out what that's like.
Do guys try to attack you?
That seems like a dangerous gig.
brian redban
I think that's why they do it, though, because they weren't very appealing, and it was sad that I think it was a one-time thing.
I would rather pay...
joe rogan
What, it was a one-time for them?
brian redban
I think once you get it, you're not going to have them come back ever again.
You know what I mean?
It's almost a joke, almost.
joe rogan
You mean a one-time thing for you, but not a one-time thing for them.
brian redban
I would rather do for 20 extra bucks, get a regular maid, but I could be bottomless and they would not get mad at me.
I would just sit in there with normal maids and just have no pants on.
That'd be better, right?
joe rogan
I think that's illegal.
Unless you make an agreement.
brian redban
That's what I'm saying.
The agreement is I don't have to wear pants.
joe rogan
Well, I'm sure someone can do that.
I'm sure that's a great...
Well, you'd have to want to have your pants off with them, too.
So they'd have to be like...
They're somewhat attractive.
brian redban
Right, you're allowed to stroke and just follow them around, but they can't call the police.
joe rogan
Okay, that's rude.
Because then you would get in the way in your little narrow hallway and accidentally come on them.
I know how you work.
tom segura
And clean it up!
In this city, you could definitely work out your fantasy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a minor request.
You could work out some pretty crazy shit in this town.
tom segura
Yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
Have you heard about this movie, The Jinx?
This show on HBO? I'm all caught up, man.
Really?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you know they reopened that guy's case because of that show?
Tell everybody that doesn't know what the show's all about.
tom segura
Well, there's a gentleman named Robert Durst who is part of the Durst family, which is...
He was an heir.
The Durst family is one of the biggest, five biggest real estate families in New York.
And he was sort of, even growing up, kind of the outcast son.
Mother died, committed suicide, or fell when he was really young.
And basically in the late 70s, early 80s, his wife Kathleen disappeared and disappeared Nobody has, even up to this day, no one's been able to find her.
He was never formally charged.
People thought he had something to do with it.
And no trace.
He gave a lot of different accounts to the police, to investigators, of what happened the last time he saw her, the last time he spoke to her.
So all these kind of things that don't match up that make it sound pretty suspicious.
So when the case didn't progress anymore, a few years later, his best friend at the time was a woman named Susan Berman, and she was set to talk to investigators when they reopened the case, this time in the, I would say, I think we're talking like into the 90s now?
So, a lot of time had passed, and the investigators wanted to talk to Susan Berman, who had been Durst's best friend, and whom there was a long line, a track record of him giving her money over the years.
And, you know, from his account, it's like, it's a good friend of mine, I just always gave her money, but she collected substantial money from him.
Well, the day before an investigator was flying out from New York to see her, she was murdered in her house in Benedict Canyon.
So it was kind of the second person involved or close to Robert Durst who died.
joe rogan
How much money did he give her?
tom segura
Well, they found that in one of her journals, she kept track of loans or gifts people had given her money, and recently he had given her 50 grand.
You know so and the way that they piece it together they think that over the years she's collected much more than that so it was she's you know was his friend who was always kind of struggling and he was always giving her money so you know from his from his side of the story I'm rich.
I give my friend money.
From people that are more suspicious of it, it's here's money to never open your fucking mouth.
joe rogan
So he allegedly gets her whacked.
tom segura
That's one of the things.
Now, she has a pretty interesting story because her father was a big-time mafia guy.
Her dad was real close with Bugsy Siegel and was in the heyday of Vegas being run by the mob.
Her dad was one of the major players.
So people who say it's not Durst related will say that it's related to a book she wrote where she kind of laid out a bunch of stuff about the mob and like her dad's role in things and all these people.
So they say, you know, oh, it's very much in line with a mob hit.
Wow.
There's that.
And then, a few years after that, well, right when they knew that they were going to reopen this investigation, he wanted to go into hiding.
So he moved to Galveston, Texas, and he started living as a mute woman.
So he wore a wig, and he wore a dress, and he started renting an apartment in cash.
He paid like a year up front, and he knew he couldn't mask his voice, so he pretended to be a mute woman, so he would only write down things.
And he eventually developed a friendship with the guy across the hallway from him named Morris Black, who was just like this old curmudgeon-y guy.
Basically, fast forward, in the Galveston Bay, a fisherman finds a floating bag, and it has an arm, and then a leg, and then basically the police come, and they find chopped up body, and they find an ID, and they're able to get fingerprints, and it's Morris Black.
So, it's the guy that was...
Across the hall.
So they go to his apartment and they see across the hall is this woman who's living there, who's not there at the time.
And, you know, they find that, like, there's blood on the floor, kind of, you know, all the telltales of that, like, something happened here.
And what ended up happening was that he was charged with murder, he posted bail, and then he went on the run, and he actually got caught shoplifting a sandwich after he had jumped bail, and in his car they found $38,000 in cash, and he had $500 in his pocket.
Like, he just shoplifted for the, you know, they didn't want to pay for the sandwich.
That's how he got caught after he jumped bail.
Then he gets charged with murder.
He doesn't deny murdering the guy, says it was self-defense, but he also chopped the guy's body up, like cut off his arms, cut off his legs, cut off his head, put them in bags, threw them in the bay.
unidentified
Whoa!
tom segura
Not guilty.
Jury decides, not guilty.
So, you know...
joe rogan
So he admits to killing a person and chopping them up.
tom segura
And not guilty.
And, you know, there's a lot of people that swear that he, you know...
joe rogan
He's killed three people.
tom segura
He's killed three people, yeah.
joe rogan
It kind of makes sense if he's killed one.
They caught him red-handed, killing one.
tom segura
And cutting up the body.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's deep shit.
That's something you do on your third body.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
First two bodies, you light on fire.
brian redban
So they opened up this case?
tom segura
Are they going back to it?
That's the thing.
In this country, there's no statute of limitations on murder.
I think this show went into so much detail about...
joe rogan
Oh, so Susan Berman was 2000. What a nutty motherfucker.
tom segura
You know what's the craziest part?
In the interviews on the show, on the Jinx, his eyes look...
unidentified
Black.
brian redban
They look like a demon.
tom segura
They look like demon eyes.
Specifically, the entire time he's being interviewed.
And they cut back to the guy who...
Because they made a movie about the Galveston story.
I think Ryan Gosling starred.
It was a pretty good movie.
That guy who directed that film made this documentary.
And they're in this hotel in the back and forth.
Every time they cut to his eyes, you're like, that looks like a fucking...
What's it called?
joe rogan
Drag Me to Hell?
tom segura
It's like Slytherin, the Harry Potter snake guy.
You're like, Jesus Christ, is there no eye color?
It's pitch black.
joe rogan
What's the Ryan Gosling movie?
tom segura
I don't know.
I don't remember the name.
It's a good movie that takes you through...
The story pretty well and actually Durst liked the film so much That's why he agreed to do this series with this guy all good things all good things Yeah, he liked so much that he agreed to do and in that movie does he chop the guy up I can't remember if he does it in the in the Gosling movie, but Yeah, that's Gosling.
joe rogan
Yeah Gosling playing him.
tom segura
Yeah, well, but um I think he probably would because, you know, he really did that.
He admits to doing that.
joe rogan
What the fuck, man?
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
He's a nut.
There's a detective on the jinx that says it best.
He goes, I don't think that Robert Durst is, like, somebody who takes pleasure in killing.
I don't think he's, like, a bloodthirsty guy.
But I think if you corner him and you make him feel threatened about something, he'll kill you.
And I was like, I think that's probably...
Accurate.
joe rogan
It's also, when you think about this guy, he's, how old is he now, like 70?
tom segura
Older.
He's got to be late 70s.
joe rogan
Late 70s?
tom segura
Early 80s, yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
So think about this guy.
He grew up in, you know, what does that mean?
He was born in the 40s?
tom segura
Yeah, he has to be, do you have his age?
It's got to be.
joe rogan
So let's just say the 40s.
brian redban
Yeah, he was born in 43. Yeah, okay.
joe rogan
There you go.
So he's born in the 40s.
So he grows up, you know, when he's seven, it's 1950. You could basically do anything back then.
tom segura
True.
joe rogan
There was no fucking fingerprints.
There's no DNA. And if you're rich?
unidentified
Nothing.
joe rogan
When did they figure out fingerprints?
Find that out.
One of those fingerprints to solve crimes.
I'm guessing the turn of the century.
I'm guessing 1900s.
unidentified
I might be wrong about 1940. I'll say 1876. For fingerprints?
joe rogan
Either way.
1892. 1892. Ba-bam.
Either way, I think that those people that grew up then, they had a different sense of what you'd get away with.
tom segura
I think so, too.
That and money.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And money.
tom segura
Money, especially if you're talking...
I mean, we even...
Everybody says now, you know, somebody with money can do what they want and get away.
But back in the day, that is truly reality.
If you're coming from a lot of money and you destroy something, if you ruin somebody's life, you kill somebody, they're like, well, you know, you have a lot of money.
So, yeah, we're going to pay for this shit.
joe rogan
Stop peeling off them shekels.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And when he was doing this...
Like, when he was living in Galveston, he had that apartment.
He was still rich, right?
tom segura
Rich as fuck, just, you know, not showing it.
He could still access money.
I mean, when he got arrested...
He called his wife, because he's married now and remarried someone who was living in New York, and this is Galveston, Texas, and they're like, bail is set at $250,000, which is, you know, that's what you've got to pay.
And he's like, cool.
And he called, and he's like, I need $250,000.
joe rogan
So why does he live in an apartment?
tom segura
Because he wanted to be off the grid.
He wanted nobody to notice him because he knew that investigation had just fired up again.
Which, you know, that's not normally how innocent people act.
joe rogan
Yeah, especially living as a woman in Galveston, Texas.
tom segura
A mute woman in Texas, yeah.
joe rogan
Why don't you just go to another country?
tom segura
It's a good question.
Yeah, no, he still had access to some money because paid that in full, that's $250 gone when he jumped bail.
And then he hired a team of lawyers.
They were like, this is the best defense lawyer in Texas, criminal defense lawyer, and so is this guy.
And he was like, cool, both.
joe rogan
Whoa.
tom segura
Paid them each 600 grand to defend him on this case.
joe rogan
And they got him off.
tom segura
They got him off.
joe rogan
Jesus.
I wonder what the...
What could they have said that makes it okay to chop somebody up and throw them in the ocean?
tom segura
You know, a body takes up a lot of space in your house.
joe rogan
Ladies and gentlemen, this is a mute woman we're talking about.
Okay, this man, he didn't know my client could defend himself.
He thought he was attacking a mute woman.
Imagine if that was your mama.
Imagine if that was your grandmama.
And this bloodthirsty fucking savage of Jewish descent.
Say some shit like that.
Tries to fuck your grandma, your mute grandma, can't even cry out for help.
tom segura
Any y'all in the jury Jewish?
Yeah, I didn't think so.
joe rogan
Any y'all in the jury have a grandma that you love dearly and you don't want some hooligan fucking her and some strange Galveston apartment?
tom segura
If you ain't a Jew, you must have quit.
joe rogan
Thank y'all.
You ain't a Jew, you must have quit.
tom segura
Yeah, it's pretty intense.
joe rogan
What would the argument be?
They'd have to say the guy was trying to kill him.
tom segura
Yeah, they show it.
I'm trying to remember.
joe rogan
They show it in the documentary?
tom segura
Yeah, there's a lot of footage from the trial.
joe rogan
Wow.
I need to hear it.
unidentified
I need to hear what, like, what the hell could they- Episode four has all that stuff.
tom segura
What's great is when they read Not Guilty, they have the camera on him and he's like, keeps turning, he's like, not, they say not guilty, right?
unidentified
Oh, shit.
tom segura
And he's like, you sure?
And they're like, yeah, yeah, not guilty.
He's like, oh, shit, shit, thank God.
joe rogan
God, that must feel amazing.
unidentified
Yeah, that's gotta be- You're about to go to jail after you chopped a dude up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, what are the odds?
How can I get off this?
tom segura
How great would it be if they say not guilty?
He goes, that's three.
unidentified
That's three.
joe rogan
He walks out and fucking gang-sides the cameras on the way out.
Have you seen the Suge Knight footage?
tom segura
No, I haven't.
I wanted to see it, but I was on a plane yesterday.
unidentified
Yes!
joe rogan
We can't show it on the air because it's very, very, very disturbing.
If you want to see it yourself, they have footage of Suge Knight running over those guys.
brian redban
It's an accident, right?
joe rogan
Oh, no.
You need to see it.
There's no accident involved in this.
This is not an accident.
brian redban
Is there a live leak version?
joe rogan
Accidentally got captured on security cam.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, so here's Suge Knight.
He pulls up.
Apparently they were filming the NWA film.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
So this dude shows up.
brian redban
But it looks like there's some kind of something going on here.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
And the guy had a gun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look, I'm sure some people were threatening him.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm sure there was some shit going on.
But note what actually happens.
Like, this part is not a goddamn accident.
Look at that.
Bam.
Now watch this.
This is hard to watch.
That guy's dead.
The first guy lived, the second guy's dead.
unidentified
The first guy lived?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, that's why they blurred out the second guy, all the blurred spots, because that guy just got murdered.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's moving them around.
That's good.
brian redban
And then this guy takes a gun off him.
joe rogan
Picks his possible gun and sticks it in his back.
Yeah, most likely it was a gun.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jesus.
I mean, he might have pulled a gun out on Suge Knight and Suge Knight drove over him.
I mean, that's what it looks like to me.
tom segura
I mean, look.
Somebody ran up here.
joe rogan
This guy ran up to him.
Hey, you, you son of a gun.
There's like some movement.
Like he was grabbing each other or something.
Fucking A, man.
tom segura
That's unbelievable.
joe rogan
That's hard to watch.
brian redban
So you think Suge definitely did it to murder, not just freak out, like, get me the fuck out of here, and he just gunned him?
joe rogan
Well, it could be that, too.
But look at this.
Watch this.
Bam!
And he didn't try to go around that dude.
He went over him and ran that guy over.
brian redban
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
That guy was getting run over, which is what most of us would do if someone pointed a gun at us.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brian redban
Did you see what TMZ released today?
Footage from like four years ago when he was with Cat Williams and he did the exact same thing where he just went through a crowd of people in his SUV. They just put it on, it's on the front page of TMZ today.
joe rogan
So did he hurt anybody during that one?
brian redban
Let me check it because I didn't actually watch the video yet.
I just saw it.
joe rogan
They need a documentary on him.
That guy's been through a lot of shit.
tom segura
That dude, Jesus.
joe rogan
He just got shot earlier this year too.
He's like a real live gangster.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Living amongst us.
tom segura
Bad shit happens, though, wherever he is.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
You don't want to be around.
brian redban
Every time he's at the Comedy Store, I legit get scared.
Like, I'm...
Because he used to come there a lot.
tom segura
He attracts, you know...
That guy has a legacy of wrongdoing and just bad people around him.
Like, if you're in a room with him, something bad's gonna happen, I believe.
joe rogan
It's kind of amazing that he, up until this point, was still out in the street, you know?
tom segura
Yeah, and he's served, you know, a significant time before.
Like, he's...
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, this last thing, when he got shot, apparently really fucked him up pretty bad.
brian redban
He just striked one person last time.
joe rogan
Struck.
brian redban
And he doesn't say anything about if the person died or anything.
tom segura
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
He's a bad dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's weird when you find out about those guys that are still out there.
And you go, really?
In 2015, this really obvious bad guy still running around out there?
tom segura
Yeah, he's like a villain, right?
He's like a movie villain.
joe rogan
Like, imagine if John Gotti was alive and out there running around in Little Italy, mocking people the way he did back before they arrested him.
tom segura
It's pretty crazy.
joe rogan
That was a weird one.
tom segura
That's like a movie.
joe rogan
Well, the John Gotti one was a lot like a movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because here was a guy...
tom segura
And the parades in the streets from the neighborhood.
joe rogan
Fireworks and all that kind of crazy shit.
And everybody loved the neighborhood because everybody was safe.
You know, while this guy was the Don.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
He would walk around in these super expensive suits and laugh.
And always look confident as hell.
Big, thick fucking neck.
tom segura
Why are you trying to fuck with me?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
It was always like...
They're just bugging a guy for no reason.
His favorite quote of mine is that after it was all said and done, he said, all I ever wanted was a good sandwich.
joe rogan
That's what he said?
tom segura
That's what this was all about.
joe rogan
This could have been resolved so much easier if we just went to a deli.
tom segura
Hey, just give me a sandwich.
Salami.
joe rogan
Well, Putin is kind of that guy, but way bigger.
Way bigger scale.
He's kind of that guy in Russia.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he just killed his fucking adversary.
Or somebody killed his adversary.
Some guy who's the leader of the whatever other party, the reform party.
unidentified
Of course.
tom segura
And you know, like, there's no, you know, they arrested people.
joe rogan
One of the guys blew himself up.
tom segura
Blew himself up.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's the guy's apartment.
He blew himself up.
tom segura
And there's never going to be a real investigation in Russia today.
You know it's connected to him.
Like, the order came down.
joe rogan
You think so?
tom segura
I don't think they'll put it together.
No.
Not because they're not capable.
It's just that more people would end up getting, you know, shot.
joe rogan
You definitely think it was Putin's idea to kill that guy.
tom segura
It's his idea.
There's not going to be a recording of him saying it, but you know his camp is like, for sure.
joe rogan
I'm reserving judgment, but it certainly looks that way.
What's really fascinating to me...
One of the things that's really fascinating to me is that this is only one thing that they do that's insane.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
But there's other things they do that's insane with super, super rich people, where they accuse them of a crime, they go in, they take their businesses, they take all their money, and they put them in jail.
And they did this to this really rich, wealthy Russian oligarch, and they had them in jail for a long time, man.
And they recently released him.
I think he was in jail for more than eight years, if I remember correctly.
But I remember this story getting out.
This is the most insane story I've ever heard in my life.
This guy was some wealthy oil guy, was worth billions of US dollars, and they just came in and took this guy's business, put him in jail, And they've done it several times.
It's not a one-time thing they do.
They just go in there, whatever the dispute is, they just decide that you're an enemy of the state or you're treason, whatever crime they doctor up, slap your ass in jail, take all of your money, and they just leave you in jail for a long time.
tom segura
It's horrific.
It's insane.
Yeah, and imagine, too, like, if you're just a regular citizen, like, you can't...
How scary that is to live there and you think, like, well, you know, start talking about it.
Like, make us think about it.
It's like, no, you really don't.
Like, then you also get thrown in jail or worse.
You can't even speak up about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't really...
We don't comprehend that that feeling there must be to completely live in fear Yes, and it's not that the this is without a doubt.
There's some organizations in this country They don't even have to name them that have done horrific shit to to US citizens They've done the people have been murdered things have happened for sure, right?
Yeah, I'll agree that but it's nowhere near the scale it is right now Yeah in Russia like whatever corruption you might think there is an American I would agree with you.
There's a lot of corruption and But nothing compared to what's going on in Russia.
Russia's nuts, man.
tom segura
That reminds me, like, I mean, I had a lot of Cuban friends when I lived in South Florida.
Like, all their stories of their parents were like that.
That, like, you know, Castro just, like, we had this successful, whatever, these stores.
And he just took our stores.
Took our shit.
And was like, it's not yours anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah, what the fuck, man?
Well, that's what happens when you've got a guy who's essentially like a king.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he's an emperor.
I mean, he's like an emperor of Russia.
That's really what he's like, right?
tom segura
Yeah.
Yeah, it's terrifying.
joe rogan
What is that guy's life like?
What do you think a reality show following Putin around for a day would be like?
Imagine if he just decided to allow cameras to follow him around for a year and just show how he actually runs shit.
If he gets so crazy that he's like, look, I'll just show you all of it.
You want to see what we do?
Yeah, this guy is talking a lot of shit about me, so we're going to kill him.
And then they send some guys out and they gun some dude down and everybody goes, okay, who's going to do something about this?
Nobody?
tom segura
Nobody, yeah.
joe rogan
Are we going to do something about this?
Like, what would the United States do?
We thoroughly...
What would they say?
What would they say?
We thoroughly disagree with Mr. Putin's decision to murder his biggest critic.
What would we say?
tom segura
Yeah, it would be a complete bullshit statement.
Of course.
joe rogan
We wouldn't do anything.
tom segura
Of course not.
joe rogan
And if we did do something, then they would start talking shit about, well, what about your drones, bitch?
tom segura
What happened today was a terrible tragedy.
And we respect anyone's right to express themselves and say what they say and critique whomever they want to critique.
And the...
The solution is not dumping their body in rivers.
joe rogan
Thank you.
Chopping them up and then dumping their body in rivers.
tom segura
Yeah, it's insane, man.
I think a lot of his actions, too, it's all based in fear, too, you know?
A lot of tough guy things, people think that, like, that guy's just this violent, crazy guy.
They're all just scared.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, he was ahead of the Russian version of the CIA. KGB. Yeah.
And he's still looking pretty good at 62 years old.
He looks like the guy that you would think of when you think of, like, a dangerous leader of a foreign country like Russia.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A dangerous, like, hawk-like, you know, military guy.
tom segura
Especially shirtless on horseback?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
That's the way to fucking roll.
joe rogan
Well, that was one of the things that...
What the fuck is his name?
The dude from The Bourne Identity.
Handsome bastard.
tom segura
Matt Damon?
joe rogan
Matt Damon.
That's what Matt Damon had said about Sarah Palin that was hilarious.
When he was talking about Sarah Palin and her witty charm, getting to—folksy charm, I think the term he used—getting to become vice president with a guy as old as—what the fuck is his name?
tom segura
McCain?
joe rogan
John McCain.
John McCain was in his 70s already, right?
When he was running for president, or at least close to it?
Like, if he dies, and then she could possibly be across the table from Putin.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
They were talking about Sarah Palin and Putin sitting down.
unidentified
Well, Vlad, I got to tell you, what you're doing to America is just wrong.
joe rogan
In America, she's not going to stand for it.
I'll tell you right now.
Atlanta Free, Home of the Braves.
He would probably just rape her right there on TV. Just punch her in the face and everybody scatters out of the room.
tom segura
Zero respect for her.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
It could be World War III. Yeah.
tom segura
I like that their culture, like, he never smiles, you know?
That's considered, like, goofy and weak.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
To smile out of the Eastern Bloc.
joe rogan
Well, he never gives you, like, a...
tom segura
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
Not like Obama.
Obama, like, has a wide-open, laughy smile.
Like, he's a jolly fellow.
tom segura
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, that's considered goofy.
joe rogan
I wonder what they think about America.
I wonder what, like, the KGB-type fellows that are running Russia right now...
unidentified
Silly, weak, um...
tom segura
Guys smile too much...
joe rogan
Yeah, but do you wonder, like, I wonder what they think about the way their government works.
I wonder if there's, like, is there a select group of people that all this money is getting evenly distributed to so that everybody, like, keeps their mouth shut?
Or how many people are wanting to kill that guy?
Are we going to have to deal with the guy who kills him someday?
You know?
tom segura
There's people that are all in, for sure.
And I think there's a lot of people that are just begging for things to change.
Did you see that HBO documentary recently on gay people in Russia?
unidentified
No.
tom segura
That was tremendous.
That was really a documentary.
They've written laws recently to ban it and there's these groups of guys that are just out hunting gays and they like to bait them.
So they put ads online and a guy poses.
Like, I want to meet you.
And then when the guy shows up, there's like 15 people and they hold him down and they throw piss on him.
And they put him on camera and just mock him.
It's terrible.
And then they upload it.
And everybody watches it in the country.
And a lot of times that guy who they're mocking would be a guy in the closet and will lose his job.
Family, they just humiliate them.
It's brutal.
It was brutal.
joe rogan
What do you think that is?
What is this, all of a sudden, especially, what is this new attention on gay people?
tom segura
I think it's because there's been a lot of progress with gay rights, especially in the last 10 years.
So when something like that's coming more to the forefront, you go like, dude, this can't...
The people that don't want it, the super homophobic people...
Are going to act the way that they're acting.
They're so scared that this is going to be the norm and that we're going to treat them like human beings maybe even here that they're like, no.
So they start these organizations like a Better Family Today group.
It's like, we can't let these people be teachers and just live in our apartment buildings.
They're pariahs.
Yeah, so they, you know, they associate, it's all the old shit, like, all gay people are pedophiles, like, all that shit.
So, but that is, like, thriving and huge in Russia.
joe rogan
Not just thriving, but they're making laws against it.
tom segura
Yeah, man, they're making laws.
unidentified
Actively.
joe rogan
Like, imagine if someone, like, tried to actively make laws against gay people today in the United States.
There would be a huge uproar throughout the country.
What kind of uproar is there in Russia?
tom segura
I think it's one of those things where it's really rare to speak up against that.
I think more people are probably in fear of saying something than doing what they know is the right thing to do.
That's the thing, too.
You have to empathize a lot with the person who is in that situation, who's not siding with that.
But lives in that kind of culture where you're like, are you going to speak up like when you know what the response is going to be?
You want to say yes, and you want to be like, yeah, of course, but it's a scary thing in an environment like that to speak up and be like, no, I'm going to say something.
joe rogan
Wasn't that what Pussy Riot went to jail for as well?
I think one of the things they went to jail for was protesting against the treatment of gays in Russia.
tom segura
I think so.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's one of the things where they were inside of a church.
tom segura
Yeah, they did it in a church.
joe rogan
But one of the things they did, they were inside a church.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
There was another one they did.
They got beaten by belts.
Did you ever see that one?
tom segura
No.
There's footage of that?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
tom segura
Oh, that's fine.
joe rogan
These soldiers show up, security people, whatever they were, and they're literally beating these girls with belts, like a whip thing.
tom segura
Dude.
joe rogan
Yeah.
They just beat the fuck out of them.
Yeah, and it was when they were protesting.
Here, I'll pull it up.
Pussy Riot protest.
tom segura
They were in the...
A couple of them were in the new season of House of Cards.
joe rogan
Really?
tom segura
Yeah, they have a scene with the guy who's basically playing Putin on the show.
joe rogan
Yeah?
tom segura
It's pretty...
That show's phenomenal.
joe rogan
Yeah, I need to watch that place.
Or watch that show, rather.
I still haven't...
tom segura
You definitely have to start from the beginning.
That's one thing, for sure.
joe rogan
I had to give up on Homeland last night.
tom segura
No good?
joe rogan
The new season, the beginning of it, is just bumming me out.
tom segura
The thing about House of Cards is you've got to give it a few.
But once you get started, you're roped in.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is when they get beaten.
tom segura
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, look, they put on these masks, I guess, and they do this thing.
They're dancing, and they come over and they get maced.
See?
The cops come over and mace them, and then they beat the shit out of them.
Look at this.
Look at these belt things.
They're whipping them.
tom segura
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
They just start fucking them up.
tom segura
He's whipping a cameraman, too.
joe rogan
Yep, everybody.
He's whipping everybody.
They're kicking everybody's ass.
And they're doing it while they're being filmed.
They don't give a fuck.
You know?
Imagine if this was happening in America.
They're kicking her and shit.
They kicked her when she's down, man.
These are security people.
This is like...
They're not even...
Hiding the fact that they're thugs.
This is like total thug shit.
They're kicking people and they're down, whipping them.
It's not like...
Security guards in America or police in America, if they did shit like that, they would get reprimanded.
They would be like, hey, your violence is inappropriate violence.
But if they sprayed them, they're allowed to spray them.
You can hit them with a tear gas in the face.
You can do a few things as far as restrain them.
But you can't kick them and whip them like that.
tom segura
It's pretty intense, man.
I saw footage older, but still modern day, of Russian cops do not fuck around.
And I mean, not for even just shit like this, standard crime stuff, like if you're actually going after a guy who's, whatever, selling drugs or something that they would normally send.
These cops would jump over a picnic table and kick a guy in the jaw to bring him down.
They don't fuck around.
I saw footage of one guy pulled over.
He was pulled over by the cops.
And the cop, like, knocked on the window.
And the guy gestured.
And then he took a baton and just smashed the whole window open.
Wow.
Drugged the guy out of the car.
Yeah.
I don't think in Moscow you talk back to cops.
I don't think that happens at all there.
It's not playing around.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, they live on the same planet as us.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
They've been around longer than us.
Way longer than us.
I mean, what the fuck is going on in Russia?
tom segura
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's a war-torn place.
A lot of shit going on, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you know what's going on in the Crimea stuff?
Do you understand that?
tom segura
I mean, I remember that...
I mean, I don't want to give a bad account of it, but, like, this was...
Territory that Russia, you know, claimed a long time ago or what was theirs?
And then they just straight up snagged that shit back from, what is it, Ukraine, right?
And huge dispute over it, obviously, but Putin and Russia's like, no.
joe rogan
See, that's where it's fucked up.
The Soviet Union, they all used to be in the same group.
tom segura
All together, yeah.
joe rogan
They used to all be together.
They were all one team.
And now they're like going to war with each other.
That's like if, like, we got rid of Texas.
We're like, you know, you guys can just be your own thing.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, but we want the Rio Grande.
No, that's ours.
Give us that shit back.
We want to take it back.
We want Texas back.
We should change our mind.
tom segura
Unchecked, I think Putin would start taking all kinds of places back.
joe rogan
Do you think he would go to war?
unidentified
Would he go to war with the United States?
tom segura
I think even the craziest person...
You always have the nuclear threat in the back of your mind, and do you want all-out war?
I don't know.
In this day and age, it's kind of hard to imagine, you know, but if he was just like, we're gonna take, I don't know, fucking, we're gonna...
joe rogan
Russia.
tom segura
Yeah, if Russia's gonna be like, we're going into Chechnya, you're gonna fuck them up again, like they have, and take the Republic of Georgia and all that shit back.
joe rogan
What if they say, we got a bad deal with Alaska, we want that shit back.
Yeah, that's when it gets crazy.
If they find out how much oil is in Alaska and they just decide.
I mean, isn't there some shit going on in Antarctica where they're like claiming spots of land for oil?
tom segura
I don't know about that.
joe rogan
Claiming that it's Russia.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
For sure, yeah.
Because it started to, you know, the snow caps are starting to melt.
So there's areas that are going to be open to travel with boats that aren't open right now.
So they're starting to claim these areas.
It's like old school, you know, colonial type shit.
tom segura
More war is inevitable.
You know it's going to happen.
joe rogan
What do you mean inevitable?
It's going on right now.
tom segura
But I mean like...
Whatever declines now, it's not like that would be the end of wars.
It's just gonna...
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
It's an endless cycle.
joe rogan
It just seems like it is.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
This current design of human being that we're using.
tom segura
Yeah.
And the fact that, you know, war results in profit, like the money is made, that's why...
joe rogan
There's so much money involved in war.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
You see these, like, just the companies, you know, that make money.
Designing a ship or a rocket that the U.S. government likes.
They're like, this is great, we love this plane.
joe rogan
Billions.
tom segura
Billions of dollars for you.
joe rogan
Billions to you.
Make more awesome shit.
Make it go around the world in one second.
unidentified
Can you do that?
tom segura
Make a gun that does what?
joe rogan
You see that thing they have the laser they're shooting that can disable a car?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're shooting lasers through the hood of a truck and just fucking barbecues the engine.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, it's nuts.
Like, it melts through the hood of a car.
I mean, I don't know how far it lasts, what the distance they're using these things, but they aimed at it.
They did a test demonstration of it and shot through an engine block.
You got that, Jamie?
Look at this shit.
What?
Fired from a mile away.
tom segura
Lockheed Martin, see?
joe rogan
Dude, it's from a mile away.
brian redban
Did you see the boat one?
Where it's to get off pirates and stuff, and they shoot a boat, and it catches the boat on fire when it's going to shore.
tom segura
Imagine what Lockheed is going to get for that, like, when they go, well, you see what it does.
joe rogan
Yeah, they can shoot through an engine block a mile away.
This is insane.
tom segura
We love your laser.
Here's $19 billion.
joe rogan
Fucking A, man.
How weird is that?
tom segura
Yeah, it's incredible.
joe rogan
Highest power ever documented by a laser weapon of its type.
tom segura
New York Stock Exchange info first.
joe rogan
Isn't that funny?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Isn't that funny?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
Lockheed Market, NYSE, you know, colon, LMT. It shows you.
That's the first fucking thing it shows you.
That's amazing.
That's amazing.
tom segura
And I want to buy some laser stock.
joe rogan
That is LockheedMartin.com's...
tom segura
Right.
But that's a press release from that.
joe rogan
The one when they did the boat?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen the boat.
Yeah, they can do some crazy shit now.
And they're going to set those things up in space.
So they'll just be in space.
brian redban
Star Wars.
joe rogan
Floating above us.
They'll just laser beam your fucking house into the ground.
unidentified
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
Terrifying.
With drones now and with laser beams in the future, I just kind of wonder.
Got to wonder if we're going to be able to keep it together.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's kind of amazing.
No one's dropped a nuke since the 40s.
tom segura
I think it's amazing all the time.
And that entire administration's goals, like the entire thing that their number one goal a lot of times, is just to keep Other governments from getting one.
That's the number one on the list for dozens of governments.
It's like, just keep Iran from developing one.
Just keep that from happening.
joe rogan
But meanwhile, Pakistan has them.
tom segura
Yeah, India.
joe rogan
India has them.
And they're neighbors.
They're porting at each other and they're neighbors.
They're porting nukes at each other.
tom segura
It's terrifying.
joe rogan
Who smells better?
unidentified
Whoa.
tom segura
Pakistan.
joe rogan
Really?
I don't know.
India is more famous for their food, right?
tom segura
Indian food is way more popular.
joe rogan
More curry-like.
Probably similar.
tom segura
I have a Pakistani friend who said the food's very similar.
brian redban
It's a trick question.
unidentified
Is it?
brian redban
They all stink like shit.
joe rogan
How dare you?
You don't even go over there.
You don't even know this.
You're talking shit.
tom segura
You know, yesterday, I sat next to Serena Williams on my flight.
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw that on your Instagram.
tom segura
I keep meeting awesome black people on planes.
It's out of control.
joe rogan
What other awesome black people have you met on planes?
tom segura
Bruce Bruce.
Mike Tyson.
joe rogan
Wow, that's right.
You met Mike Tyson on that plane.
tom segura
Serena, the number one...
joe rogan
Mike Tyson became your buddy, right?
tom segura
Well, I mean...
joe rogan
Do you text each other every now and again?
tom segura
Nah, not really.
joe rogan
Shoot a text his way?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Still thinking about him?
tom segura
I tell him he's in my thoughts.
joe rogan
Oh!
tom segura
You're in my thoughts and prayers.
joe rogan
So Serena Williams was cool?
tom segura
Dude, the coolest!
And that's...
Arguably, you know, one of the most dominant, if not most dominant, female athlete of this generation.
One of them, for sure.
joe rogan
She's unbelievable.
unidentified
Is she the best?
joe rogan
Is she the number one?
tom segura
Number one, yeah.
joe rogan
Who's number two?
Any white chicks?
tom segura
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
In that mix?
tom segura
There's a bunch of...
joe rogan
Europeans?
tom segura
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's all Europeans, right?
tom segura
Ruskies and Europeans are always in there.
joe rogan
So she is...
That's interesting.
tom segura
She's so dominant, man.
joe rogan
How many American female tennis players are there that are really famous?
tom segura
Well, if we're talking about over the course of history, there's been...
joe rogan
Like right now.
tom segura
Right now?
I really wouldn't know.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Right.
But this is what my point was.
But Serena Williams is famous as fuck.
tom segura
But she's famous as fuck because she's such a winner.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
Like, she is dominant.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
And, you know, a lot of female tennis players...
Their decline, they peak early age-wise.
The female dominance in tennis sometimes happens teens and early 20s.
She's 33, number one in the world still, and still winning titles.
joe rogan
She ran from a drug test.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, she hid herself.
It's either her or her sister.
tom segura
Venus?
joe rogan
Yeah, let me find out.
She ran into her safe room.
She said she thought someone was breaking into the house.
tom segura
And it was the drug test people?
unidentified
Yeah.
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
Let me find out who it was.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was Serena?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was her.
tom segura
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
You know what, man?
I think it's one of those things.
Serena Williams locks herself in a panic room and drug test mix-up.
Whoopsies.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
I thought you were a murderer.
You were just a lab technician.
tom segura
That's hilarious.
joe rogan
She probably knew she had like another six hours before she pissed clean.
She got in there and started drinking vinegar and water.
tom segura
That's hilarious, man.
joe rogan
Hiding in the safe room.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is hilarious.
tom segura
She's an impressive athlete, man.
She's an impressive athlete.
joe rogan
I think it's one of those sports, much like track and field, that virtually everybody's doing something.
tom segura
In tennis?
I didn't know about it in tennis, really.
I really didn't.
joe rogan
I think every competitive sport that's worth millions of dollars.
tom segura
Yeah.
There's so much money on the line.
joe rogan
I think that's when they start looking at it.
They start looking at it like, look, we have two options here.
Either we do it and we test positive and we get fined or something goes wrong and we get shamed.
Or we do it smart, and nobody ever finds out, and you make more money.
tom segura
Yeah.
Did you watch that Armstrong documentary?
unidentified
Yes.
tom segura
The one on Netflix?
joe rogan
Yes, yes, yes.
tom segura
I remember being on this show a few years ago before, you know, he admitted and all that stuff, and talking badly about him and getting a lot of messages from people.
joe rogan
That hated you.
tom segura
That were really, they were like, he's never failed a test, you fucking idiot.
They don't email me anymore.
joe rogan
That's what they always say, too, when you ask them if they've ever done anything.
They go, I've never failed a test.
tom segura
That was his big thing.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Everybody says that.
They always say that.
I've never failed a test.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, uh, that's not what I asked you.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Did you ever take anything that enhances your performance?
tom segura
And I said, I've never failed a test.
Yeah.
It's so rampant now.
You're right.
In all sports.
joe rogan
Immune to questioning.
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
It's rampant.
tom segura
Yeah.
And in football, it's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Without question.
joe rogan
I just think it's a part of the sport of track and field.
I think it's a part of the sport of cycling.
It at least appears to be a part of the sport of MMA. There's a guy who's running the California Athletic Commission right now.
His name's Andy Foster.
He's a very smart dude.
And he's doing a really smart thing.
One of the things he's doing...
First of all, he's got a long history in martial arts.
He's actually fought himself.
He's competed.
He's been a martial artist for a long stretch of his life.
So he's really aware of the culture.
He understands it.
And he decided...
After this last UFC, to blood and piss test everybody.
Instead of just doing the people that are in the main card.
Instead of doing the blood tests on a select few in championship bouts.
Because they're very expensive.
They cost as much as $40,000 for each blood test.
tom segura
What?
joe rogan
Yeah.
So I don't know what the California State Athletic Commission did when they financed that.
I don't know how much they paid for it.
And he didn't want to talk about it.
But what he did say...
Was they were going to do comprehensive blood screenings of everyone that competed.
And he goes, if there's anyone that's hiding something, we're going to find it.
And if you're hiding something that you wouldn't detect with urine, we're going to find it with blood.
Wow.
And so most people didn't expect these tests, so we'll see what happens.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
But, I mean, there's been so many people that have been caught in the UFC over the past few months and other MMA organizations that It's pretty hard to deny that it's an issue.
How much of an issue is it is the big question.
tom segura
That's true, yeah.
Yeah, and the testing will get more complex and more advanced, and then so will the next performance-enhancing drug.
They just keep getting better at designing them, and then they have to get better at detecting them.
But that cycle will never end.
joe rogan
No.
tom segura
Never end.
Not while there's competitors who want to win, and there's lots of money on the line.
It'll never end.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think they're just going to keep figuring out new ways to manipulate the system.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
New bath salts.
tom segura
Yeah.
Creams that you rub in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You know they make weed bath salt now?
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Oh, yes, they do.
And I don't mean bath salts like that smoky shit that makes me, you know, makes you crazy.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean bath salts like you put in a bath.
tom segura
Yeah, I saw you.
You said you've been taking them a lot?
You've been doing those a lot?
joe rogan
I've been doing just regular Epsom salts.
tom segura
Yeah, Epsom salts.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know, I have a tank, the isolation tank.
It's all Epsom salt, too, but it doesn't get hot.
tom segura
So you do the really hot one?
joe rogan
Yeah, the baths, I get hot.
tom segura
And you feel much better after them?
joe rogan
Oh my god, it feels like everything is so loose and relaxed.
Epsom salts are some old school shit, dude.
They figured that out a long time ago.
tom segura
And you do the cryo thing, too, right?
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
All those things are good, dude.
Be proactive with your health, Tommy Bunz.
Proactive with your health.
tom segura
I got a trainer, man.
joe rogan
I look forward to it.
You got a trainer that loves Jesus.
unidentified
That's true.
joe rogan
Are you allowed to talk about him?
tom segura
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
In great depth.
tom segura
I don't think he listens to the show.
joe rogan
If he does.
tom segura
About to find out.
About to have my last session.
joe rogan
He needs to know some shit.
I got another guy for you.
Don't worry about it.
tom segura
Okay, cool.
joe rogan
So tell me what he does to you?
tom segura
I hired a trainer, working out.
He's a good trainer.
Knows his stuff.
I'll say that.
Works me out really hard.
I've really enjoyed it.
I've been progressing.
It's been good.
Losing weight, getting strong.
All that's good.
But then, like, he'll just drop some Jesus Christ stuff on me sometimes.
I'm out of there.
Yeah, well, you know what I started to think about?
I was like, I'd worked with different trainers, you know, over the course of my life.
I feel like they all...
A lot of trainers have, like, a weird...
They always have, like, kind of something about their personality, you know?
joe rogan
Yes.
tom segura
Some of them will, like...
You ask them one thing, and they'll give you their philosophy on, you know, their life philosophy, and you're like, yeah, I just, are we doing another set?
Like, you just kind of like, you know what I mean?
Like, some of them will download about their love life.
Like, they have quirks, and him, it'll just be like in the middle of working out, and then he'll be like, uh, you can stop there.
Or when I went in, I was like, I had a respiratory thing.
And I go, hey, today, can we just do, like, heavy, but kind of not keep heart rate up really high so I'm not breathing, because my lungs are bothering me.
And he was like, absolutely.
Then we start working out, and I'm just running all over.
He's having me do box jumps, and I'm just like, thanks for ignoring me.
And he goes, you know, I remember you said that, but then you've been fine, and he won't let me push you too hard.
And I was like, what?
And he goes, if I was pushing you too hard, Jesus will go like, hey, hey, hey, take it easy on him.
brian redban
Jesus Christ, you've got to get out of there.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
tom segura
Oh.
Alright, so next set?
Like, should we just go to the next thing then?
See, the thing I've learned about people is that when you ask questions at those moments is when they'll really take it to the next level.
So I'm very aware that by engaging that part of the conversation will lead to more of it.
So what I do normally is when it comes up, I just all go like, I'll nod and be like, yeah.
Alright, I'm going to do this next one, and I'll just move on.
Because that's how that part of the conversation dies, and then it shifts to something else.
Like, I was leaving on, I went on a little mini tour last week, and right before I left, I was with him, and we had just finished the work, and I was like, yeah, you know, I just hope I don't fall off too much on this week off.
I was basically baiting for motivation and some type of game plan.
Like, try to do cardio Thursday and maybe do this and that Friday, that kind of thing.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
And so I was like, yeah, I just hope my progress doesn't die down.
He goes, well, we always try to do stuff on our own, but the thing is, if you ask Jesus for help, he'll give it to you.
And I was just like, I just want to know how many reps I should do on Friday.
joe rogan
Can you write me up a program?
tom segura
Yeah, and so...
joe rogan
You can put all that Jesus stuff in there, too.
Just highlight that part.
tom segura
And I go, yeah.
And he goes, you know, we don't do anything on our own.
He's there helping us, and he loves when we ask for help.
joe rogan
Black eye or white eye?
tom segura
White eye.
And I go, all right, man.
joe rogan
Ex-junkie or what?
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Hmm.
joe rogan
I guessed.
Crazy.
So what's the background?
tom segura
Well, he's not an ex-junkie.
He's just an ex-adrenaline guy, like everything.
joe rogan
Adrenaline junkie?
tom segura
Like everything.
But no, but I think drugs, alcohol, everything.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Good.
Nice guy, too.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I met a bunch of them that are nice guys.
tom segura
Yeah, they're a nice guy.
joe rogan
And you can't deny the effectiveness of that, like, of using, like, religion in your life for a lot of people.
tom segura
Yes.
joe rogan
It does work if you believe in it.
tom segura
I think that it probably, you know, my whole thing is that I think it probably does, really does work and do something for him.
joe rogan
It does something for a lot of people.
tom segura
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
It doesn't mean it's real, but it's like a placebo.
Should it be okay to sell someone a sugar pill and tell them that it cures cancer?
No, but what if you do that and it cures their cancer?
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, that's what religion is for a lot of folks.
There's a lot of people that if you tell them that the Lord is watching over them, that everything's going to be amazing, they have now that covered.
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
Okay.
As long as I pay my homage to the Lord, pay my respects to the Lord, I do my praying, I make sure I'm covered.
God's going to make sure everything's cool.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that alone will give you a certain amount of relaxation, a certain amount of...
tom segura
A big part of why it doesn't, like, really freak me out is that my mother's pretty much exactly like that.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
tom segura
So, you know, like...
joe rogan
You're around it.
tom segura
Yeah, she's dialed it back to me.
Because she's like, you're 35 and you're still not doing it.
But I grew up with rosaries everywhere, crosses everywhere.
If we take a 10-minute car ride, she's like, let's play the rosary.
Play the rosary?
I'm sorry, pray the rosary.
joe rogan
Oh, pray the rosary.
tom segura
On a 10-minute car ride.
joe rogan
What do you do during these 10-minute car rides?
tom segura
What do you have to do?
You know, Our Father and then 10 Hail Marys and then another Our Father and then 10 Hail Marys.
You do 50 Hail Marys because there's a 10 or 15 minute car ride.
Yeah, yeah.
Pray before meals, pray, you know, that kind of stuff.
And then she's like, if I tell her like, you know, hey, this is great.
I just sold out this show in Atlanta.
It was great.
And she's like, did you thank God?
I'm like, I was about to.
I called you first.
joe rogan
Did I ever tell you this story about how...
tom segura
She's sweet, though.
joe rogan
There was this girl in college that I thought was into me, but she was really just trying to get me to go to one of these Christian retreats.
tom segura
No!
joe rogan
Oh, I was such an adult.
This really hot Puerto Rican girl who wore glasses.
She was really sexy.
And I was so...
I had no idea what was going on.
I thought, like, this girl wants me to join her and her friends and party.
So we're all hanging out.
Um...
We're in class, and she was constantly trying to get me to go to these things, and I couldn't do it.
Because back then, a lot of times I was fighting in tournaments.
So I was talking to her, and no subject of religion, no topics were brought.
It was just normal life stuff.
Religion never even...
It was never, hey, come out to these parties, we're going to have a Christian get-together.
It was just normal talk, and then one day...
We were at a cafeteria during lunch and I came in and I sat down and I said, did you guys hear that there was a plane crash landed at the airport?
And they're like, oh no, what happened?
Was anyone hurt?
I go, no, no, the front landing gear didn't go down.
It had a skid, but everybody's fine.
And so they all go, praise God.
Oh, praise God.
I went, huh!
tom segura
All of them?
joe rogan
Oh, no.
And then I just started like, oh, you idiot.
You thought she thought you were hot.
She's just trying to suck you into the cult.
And so I go, praise God?
You think God had something to do with that?
If God was around, why wouldn't he make the landing gear come back out?
Like, why would he just make everybody be okay?
Because the landing gear didn't work.
Wouldn't he fix the landing gear so everybody didn't die?
tom segura
He likes mechanical things.
He does stuff.
joe rogan
And I forget what the response was, but they were very upset with me.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And we got into this religious conversation.
So I'm like, so you guys are, like, super religious?
And, like, I had to know, like, what was going on.
So I go, so what are these parties?
What do you guys do?
Well, we get together and we talk about the Lord and we like to bring other people...
And to the Lord, so they understand how we feel about the Lord.
Because a lot of people, they just don't have exposure to the Lord.
And I was like, oh, damn it!
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, she was hot.
I think she was dirty when she was younger.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
And she was trying to make up for it.
tom segura
Make up for the dirtiest.
joe rogan
Because she just smelled like sex.
And I mean, I don't mean like, stagib.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, like, she was like, sexy.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
God.
And she was like the little coyote that they would put out that's in heat and tricks dogs into going out into the woods and the other coyotes jump them and eat them.
That's what she was.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Glasses, sexy, recruiting dudes.
That works.
And it was like down the Cape.
So it was like a significant trip.
You had to go and stay with them and hang out for the weekend.
And I was like, what are you guys going to do?
Oh, we have this party.
It's going to be really amazing.
A lot of our friends come down.
tom segura
I sat next to a girl on a flight who had a book about St. Peter, and I was like, oh, we started talking about the book, and then we started talking about Christ, and I started asking her more questions, and she goes, yeah, you know, I just came to this kind of conclusion that it was difficult, but if you don't accept Christ, Christ, you know, you'll definitely go to hell.
And I go, well, one of my first thoughts, if you were to say that, would be like, what about all the Jews and Muslims in the world?
And she goes, they're going to hell.
And I was like, Jesus!
That's really intense.
I go, you think they all will go to hell?
She goes, unfortunately, unless they accept Christ, they will.
joe rogan
What a fucking crazy reality to have in your head.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
That's the reality that you walk around with everywhere you go.
Like, excuse me, you must listen to me.
You must listen to me.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe you know me.
My name is Kirk Cameron, and I'm here to tell you that if you don't listen to me and listen to the Lord...
Go to hell.
You gotta fry.
tom segura
There's no air conditioning, and it's fucking hot.
joe rogan
There's gonna be demons.
They stick forks up your asshole.
tom segura
You're gonna go to hell.
Yeah.
When you take it there, it's like, alright, let's be done with this.
joe rogan
Have you ever seen that there's an ancient Italian painting?
It's on the roof of some cathedral and it's all like the rooftop painting represents like heaven and all the way down to hell and the outskirts like the bottom layer represents hell and there's actual demons and people that are down there getting tortured by demons.
tom segura
In the painting?
joe rogan
Yes and the demons are shoving like pitchforks up people's asses.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Jamie will find it.
Look at this.
unidentified
Sistine Chapel.
joe rogan
Sistine Chapel.
tom segura
That's the Sistine Chapel?
joe rogan
Dude, those are demons.
And it's just one of them.
I mean, they exist.
These kind of images exist on several different paintings.
Look.
Fucking demons in hell.
They're getting dragged.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
I don't even know if that's the only one, because I don't see the pitchfork up the ass one.
There's another one.
Check to see if we can find some other ones.
But look at that demon, man.
tom segura
Creepy fucker.
How come there's no rule where that happens, then you go, okay, okay, okay, I accept.
I'm with you now.
joe rogan
Nope, too late.
tom segura
God damn it.
I mean, sorry.
joe rogan
Well, it's because it was written by morons.
Like, it doesn't make any sense.
tom segura
It does make no sense.
joe rogan
Why would God only tell those people?
How about tell us, too?
If God came down and told us how to live, we would all be like, okay!
Okay, you're right there, now we know.
Oh, we have to be told by our grandparents?
tom segura
It's called having faith!
That's what you always get.
Oh, by the way, another awesome black person.
George Michaels is not black.
I know.
joe rogan
Okay.
tom segura
But when I got off the plane yesterday, Deion Sanders was right there.
Really?
If he hadn't been on the phone, standing next to whom I believe was his daughter, I would have totally...
I did throw out like a, what's up, Prime?
unidentified
Oh, no.
tom segura
And he was in the middle of a conversation on his phone, so I knew, like, you know, don't, like, like, hey, man.
But he was, like, talking to somebody.
I go, sup, Prime?
I stuck out my hand for people.
He's like, yeah, so he's like, all right, man.
unidentified
That's cool.
tom segura
He kept talking.
joe rogan
That's cool.
tom segura
That's cool.
joe rogan
That's good.
As long as it's not a line of people trying to take selfies with them.
tom segura
No, no, no, no.
joe rogan
You started a little selfie rumble.
tom segura
I wouldn't do that to Neon Dionne.
joe rogan
That's beautiful.
This thing that you do on your podcast, which is a hilarious podcast to do.
I really enjoyed that.
tom segura
Oh, we had the best time with you.
joe rogan
We had a great time.
It was fun.
It's called Your Mom's House.
And you guys, you do it.
You have live shows, which I still have to see because I keep hearing amazing things about them.
I get a lot of Twitter messages from people that have seen your live shows.
tom segura
It's so fun.
We're doing it this Sunday in San Francisco at Cobb's.
joe rogan
Oh, shit.
Yeah.
You guys have a bunch of games that you play.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You play segments.
One of them was Black or Tom.
tom segura
Yeah, Tom or Black.
joe rogan
Tom or Black, where you imitate black people and then you have actual recordings of black people talking.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Did anybody ever call you racist for that?
tom segura
Sure.
joe rogan
What's the argument?
What do they say?
Do they say black people don't really talk like that?
Or some black people don't really talk like that?
tom segura
No, to be honest with you, it's very minimal.
Not a lot of people say that.
I think people really know intent.
I think people really gauge it.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
Are you online?
Do you read Twitter?
tom segura
Well, no, I'm saying like, as far as like a listener of our show, I don't think that they go, you're being super racist.
I think that they, like to me, for doing the game and doing like a black voice.
joe rogan
But it's not the listeners of your show that you have to worry about.
It's people who find out about your show who are not listeners and then think it's cute to write a salon.com article about everything that's wrong with podcasting, your mom's house, racist, homophobic, you know, fart worshiping.
tom segura
Yeah.
I mean, on my special, my special has...
I don't do the game, but I basically have a bit that's kind of in line with that.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
Talk about shouting black at black people and trying to trick them.
Right.
And how I did it to Big Daddy Kane one time.
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
So, like, I have a bit about that.
And, of course, like, if you go and you read some of the reviews, people are like, this was super racist.
This guy did that.
I think they're silly.
I think they're nonsense.
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
I think most people get that, like, you know, that bit...
It came out of, like, it's really out of, like, love.
It's out of, like, total, from my point of view, like, adoration of Black...
joe rogan
Big Daddy Kane.
tom segura
Big Daddy Kane and Black pop culture.
Absolutely.
joe rogan
That's true.
You're a big rap fan.
tom segura
Yeah, I think people pick up on that.
I think they do.
joe rogan
Well, anybody who knows you knows you're not a racist.
Anybody who listens to your podcast knows that you love to be silly.
tom segura
Of course.
It's a very silly show.
joe rogan
You and your wife are both ridiculously silly in your show.
Out of all the comic couples that I know, you guys are without a doubt the best, but also the best together.
You're not just funny people that happen to be married to each other.
You guys work off each other really well.
tom segura
We have a really good chemistry.
Yeah.
joe rogan
You guys are hilarious.
It's so fun.
But that black or Tom or Tom or black thing, that's one of those things where like, are we pretending that there aren't black people that talk like that?
What are these videos that we're watching?
You watch Pimps Up, Hoes Down.
Who are these people?
Are they actors?
Is this a role?
Is this preposterous?
tom segura
It's insane.
It's one of those things, too, where it's like, the person that does that goes, Black people don't talk like that, right?
They'd be like, you're making a mockery, black people don't talk like that.
And I go, well, my response would be like, well, you're right that all black people don't talk like that.
But, you know, some black people somewhere do, like, what's up, playboy?
unidentified
I'm gonna holler at you later.
There's a guy who talks like that, for sure.
joe rogan
But it's cute that you're not allowed to do it because of the color of your skin.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Because of where your parents were born or whatever.
But a black guy could do the exact same voice the exact same way.
tom segura
All white guys are like, hey.
joe rogan
Richard Pryor started that off.
tom segura
And then how many black comics did that after that?
joe rogan
They did it bad.
Because Pryor was much more subtle.
My mom, she's a great old gal.
tom segura
Right, right, right.
joe rogan
I mean, nobody had really done that back then when he was doing it, you know?
tom segura
Yeah, I did a bit about the first 48, where I break down the show, and how there's some really aggressive black guys on that show yelling crazy shit, and I do an impression of it.
Dude, the biggest response of positive, flipping out, holy shit reaction was always in crowds where there was a lot of black people.
joe rogan
Yeah, because they're not offended by it.
tom segura
They're not offended by it.
joe rogan
They know it's true.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And also, if someone's secure, they're not going to worry, like, what are you saying, we're all like that?
What kind of crazy person says you're all like that?
tom segura
Of course.
joe rogan
You know, everything else, you saw all this other material, you laughed at all this other, you saw all this other insight, and you think, oh, but it's all just a trick to get you to laugh at some racist shit, because I'm a racist.
tom segura
Yeah, and I think that black people who really flipped out and loved that bit were doing it because they were like, yeah, they've seen the first 48, and they know exactly what I'm highlighting.
They know what I'm making fun of.
joe rogan
If you were black, you could do it with no problem.
tom segura
Absolutely.
joe rogan
But if you're white, you can do white voices.
No one ever gets mad at you doing a redneck voice.
tom segura
100%.
joe rogan
But black people could do the redneck voice too.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
That's the difference.
tom segura
That is true.
joe rogan
They can mock rednecks all day long.
No one says a peep.
No one cares.
tom segura
No one cares, yeah.
joe rogan
Anybody can mock rednecks.
Rednecks mock themselves.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Jeff Foxworthy, you might be a redneck.
tom segura
If your mama and your daddy live in the...
Yeah, of course, yeah.
joe rogan
You might be a redneck.
You know, that's mocking rednecks.
Nobody cares.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because he's white.
tom segura
If your uncle's trousers are in the yard...
joe rogan
But if he was black, still nobody would care.
tom segura
True.
joe rogan
Like, black people, they have full license to make fun of white people and white culture.
tom segura
Yeah, sure.
I think we all kind of accept that, right?
I mean, like, that's...
There's no argument against it, and part of it is because you know the kind of the ladder, the socioeconomic ladder.
So it's like, if you're a white male, you're automatically perceived as you have it the best.
joe rogan
Right.
tom segura
So like, you making, you have to be, it's about what you're making fun of.
You can make fun of the other races, or you can make a joke involving race, but like, what's your angle on it?
If you're just like, you know, fucking, these people are just dumb.
Like, that's going to be a racist thing to say.
But if you're making a point, like there's some joke, something you're specifying, then I think you can accept the joke, you know?
joe rogan
Also, when it comes to, like, super progressive or liberal people, there's always this mindset you're supposed to punch up.
So the minorities punching up at the white people would always be the correct thing.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
It's always allowed.
Yes, yes.
A famous person.
Like, anyone can mock a famous person, but the famous person mocks a regular person.
Like, what if Kim Kardashian just went to some girl's Instagram page and started shitting on her and making YouTube videos about her feet and like, look how ugly you are, bitch.
Look at your ugly baby.
People would freak the fuck out.
But if you read the stuff that women write to her, they use their own Facebook profile.
They feel totally free to do this.
They're not worried at all.
unidentified
Ruthless.
joe rogan
Oh my god!
tom segura
Just go to the mentions.
The mentions under a Kim Kardashian tweet.
Any tweet.
It's brutal.
joe rogan
The Instagram.
There was an Instagram of her with her daughter, but she had cropped her daughter's face out.
It was just her holding her daughter.
And the fucking hate.
The people that just hated on her.
LOL, thank you for giving me another reason to hate your fucking retarded stupid ass.
Like, just saying evil shit.
Why'd you crop your daughter out, you fucking skanky bitch?
And all this crazy shit.
tom segura
It would be great, by the way, if she started making videos, making fun of people.
joe rogan
Just find someone, focus on one of those girls who said that one thing, and just open up on her.
tom segura
Page is about it, yeah.
Just open up on her.
Start a Facebook page?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And we pull up into her mansion in her Bentley and go, come on inside, I want to show you one of my favorite people on the internet.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And go to this girl and start fucking shitting on her.
tom segura
It'd be hilarious.
joe rogan
People would go crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People that would never defend her in a million years would go crazy if she attacks Yeah, she's just like, Amanda 811, I'm going to make a special video just about you, you stupid bitch.
tom segura
And then just slayed her.
joe rogan
Oh my god, public support.
But she's supposed to eat it.
She's supposed to eat it and say nothing because she's famous.
And she's thought to be privileged.
tom segura
Do you respond?
Do you have any reaction anymore to hatred?
joe rogan
Oh, it's not worth it most of the time.
I just block them.
tom segura
Just block them?
joe rogan
Ignore them or block them depending on how egregious it is.
It was just...
Super, like sometimes you go to someone's Twitter page and it's like all they've been doing for the last year is hating on you.
And you don't even know it until now.
tom segura
I almost feel like, I have this feeling where like, part of me goes, you know, I think they want the block.
joe rogan
So they can say they can, I got blocked.
tom segura
So I just, I go, just no response is the best.
Like you don't even exist.
joe rogan
Yeah, but then they'll interact with you again.
Like you could...
tom segura
I get it, but if you don't respond at all, it's just a one-way interaction.
joe rogan
That's what it is most of the time.
I mean, I definitely don't respond.
If I do respond, someone might think something incorrectly.
They might be upset at me for something that's like, maybe they got wrong.
Maybe I'll respond if I feel like I'm going to get there.
But if they're shitty and insulting, why would I bother?
You choose who you communicate with.
I'm not shitty and insulting to you.
If you come out of the gate, like me personally, even if I say something that you disagree with, If you just start insulting me like right off the bat, well, we're not communicating because I don't even know you.
You might have a point.
I might listen to that point if you weren't a cunt.
But if you just come right at me with that, why bother?
There's plenty of people in this world.
tom segura
It's game over.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people.
There's no need to like...
There's great criticism that you can get from people that are thinking, thoughtful people.
It helps you form opinions.
There's a lot of smart people that you don't know.
You haven't met them.
They have a different point of view.
It's great.
It's one of the beautiful things about the internet.
But the cunts, just don't bother.
There's not enough time.
There's not enough time.
unidentified
I agree.
joe rogan
You just can't.
But that's something you learn.
You learn from...
I had this guy John Wayne Parr on.
The other day, he's a multiple-time world Muay Thai champion, like a super tough guy.
You would think, this is the kind of guy who doesn't give a fuck.
He's like texting me.
He's like, God, all these fucking assholes on Twitter and YouTube.
Like, it's funny.
Just people being mean, talking shit about him.
tom segura
Well, somebody like that probably does, like, as a comedian, you're used to rejection more, especially with the way that social media developed, you know, like, YouTube and Netflix, there's a forum for people to go, like, you suck.
So after a while, when you see those, they don't affect you as much.
You build up a bit of a tolerance to it.
But I bet somebody that comes on your show that maybe is accomplished and well-known, but maybe doesn't have a big social media presence, when they first get those, you're the fucking dumbest person ever, tweet or text, they're like, what the fuck?
joe rogan
You know, the biggest one was, well, he was a pretty big, John is a big one, because first of all, John Wayne Park, although he's a multiple-time world Muay Thai champion, he's a really sweet guy.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
Like, super nice, and he would never be like that.
He would never, like, think of, like, insulting someone like that.
So when someone does it to him, he's like, fuck, what's going on?
Fuck, where's this coming from?
But they don't get that experience, that weird public eye experience that you get when you hit them with 1.5 million Twitter followers.
You tweet something like that, and they feel that wave of people, and a certain amount of them are just going to be shitheads.
tom segura
For sure.
joe rogan
If you have 100,000 people view a tweet, which is very possible when you've got 1.5 million Twitter followers, 100,000 people looking at a tweet, man, you're going to get a few hundred complete fuckheads.
You're just gonna.
It's just like you pull a net, you're going to get a certain type of fish.
If you drag a net across a mile of ocean, you're going to get a cross-section of all the fish that are in the ocean.
unidentified
You're going to get assholes.
tom segura
True.
joe rogan
But just don't interact with them.
There's no point.
And if you're that person, if your person is just lashing out at someone like that and insulting, unless it's funny.
Some people are pretty funny.
If they're funny, they get a pass.
tom segura
If you're funny, you get a pass.
joe rogan
If you're doing it to be funny.
tom segura
If you're just raging, you always know that it's never about what they're screaming about.
There's something else going on in that person's life to put that kind of energy into just spewing venom at people, you know?
joe rogan
Well, it's ineffective, first of all.
It might be effective.
You might think it's effective.
You see someone on the top of a pedestal, like Kim Kardashian, like that fucking bitch in her Gucci underwear.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you want to attack her.
But she's still her.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
She's still her.
You're still you.
And all that energy you spent hating on someone who doesn't even know you're alive could have been spent on improving your own life.
unidentified
Right.
tom segura
And you don't feel better.
You never feel better.
You don't.
joe rogan
Could feel better if it was funny, though.
tom segura
If it was funny.
But if you're just like, if I hate you, bitch, you stupid cunt, all that stuff is like...
joe rogan
Well, it's just people that don't understand what's going on.
And one day, all that shit is going to come out.
Like, there's going to come a point in time where you're not going to be able to do that.
It's not going to be as easy as just, like, attacking someone anonymously.
You're going to be exposed for, like, the stuff that you write or who you are, what your presence is, you know?
The weird thing is like kids today, they're also going to be responsible for things, you know, like maybe if a kid today is 21 and they got some crazy Instagram page and they're going fucking buck wild.
And then one day they're 27, 28 and they have a respectable job and they've got their shit together and they've moved on with their life.
But there's some fucking internet, man.
These Instagram pictures are still out.
tom segura
It happens now.
joe rogan
Why do you have underwear on your head, man?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're going to be the CEO of this company.
You've got a picture.
You're drunk.
You have underwear over your head.
Is your friend blowing you, or is he pretending to blow you?
He's pretending to blow you.
tom segura
The photos are less of an issue for people than the comments.
Like, if you write some shit...
joe rogan
Oh, if you write mean shit?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tom segura
There's been cops that, like, have a, you know...
They have their online alias and then somebody finds out and they're like, look what this guy's been commenting on things.
And then that's it.
You're done.
joe rogan
Did you see the guy who has zero criminal record and he's facing a potential life imprisonment for flashing gang signs?
On social media.
Pull that up, Jamie.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It is fucking bizarre.
Like, 2015 in America, there is a guy with no criminal record.
Nothing.
He hasn't done anything.
They arrest him for throwing gang signs up.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Because they say that he's affiliated with some gang.
tom segura
I feel like...
joe rogan
Look at this.
San Diego man with no criminal record faces life in prison for flashing gang signs on Facebook.
How old is this gentleman, first of all?
Let's look at that right there.
Harvey and the rapper.
His name is Aaron Harvey.
And 14 other men, including rapper Tiny Do, were charged under an obscure California law, accusing them of conspiring with gang members who shot nine people in 2013 to early 2014. What the fuck?
Find out how old that gentleman is.
I mean, you're hanging out with your friends, and they're throwing gang signs.
You don't want to get beat up.
You might throw a gang sign up, too, for Facebook.
tom segura
That's completely ridiculous, man.
joe rogan
What is the video down there?
What does that say?
Let's hear what he says.
unidentified
A real-life experience on how police stops happen in my community.
Me and my family have been living in the southeast community, specifically the Lakewood Park community, since the mid-50s.
I've had multiple jobs, no criminal record, but the police continuously stop us, whether And it's not specifically on driving.
I understand you guys have the numbers on driving.
The majority of stops happen when people are either in front of their parents' house or friends' house or while walking.
So I believe I've been stopped just off the top of my head since I was 14, I'm 26 now, over 50-something times.
tom segura
That's crazy.
unidentified
Again, I do not have a criminal record.
I believe only one citation was ever given.
He said I did turn on my blinker within 100 feet of turning.
One of these stops was in front of my grandmother's house.
Police officer drives by, he waves, I wave back.
Not doing anything.
I'm on my property.
He pulls up.
Immediately, I'm put in handcuffs.
I don't know why.
I'm asking why.
You know why.
Why are you guys on my property?
He tells me.
If the mailman can come on your property without permission, so can we.
They go on my wallet.
They find that I'm a trained emergency medical technician.
The sergeant tells me, oh, wow.
No.
You're working too close to us.
We're going to have to do something about this.
Immediately, I moved to the state of Las Vegas.
I'm in fear.
And our community is living in fear of the police because of these things.
And because of these numerous stops of no crimes being committed, just mere stops of being in front of my grandmother's house, my parents' house, or just hanging out, the police are falsely documented as a gang member.
And because I'm documented as a gang member through the San Diego Police Department, Now I'm liable or eligible of this Proposition 21, Penal Code 182.5.
And right now I'm facing life in prison with no knowledge of these crimes being committed or anything.
So I believe the problem is the profile.
And when you're pulled over while driving, the police will say, well, why am I being pulled over?
Well, I'll tell you in a minute.
But get out the car.
joe rogan
Well, there you go.
I think I believe him.
And I think you need to use his voice for Tom or Black.
I think this would be a good one for you.
tom segura
Wow.
Did you see...
There goes all my black jokes now.
Thanks for depressing us.
Did you see the Department of Justice report on Ferguson?
joe rogan
What is that?
tom segura
Oh, dude, you gotta see this.
joe rogan
Really?
Pull it up.
tom segura
After the Michael Brown shooting and there was no indictment of police officer Darren Wilson, the Attorney General went down and said, we're going to investigate what happened.
It's going to take a little while.
So they have a Department of Justice investigate it, and they found just so much racism in that department.
The stats are alarming.
It's like 67% of the population is black, but...
Arrests 88% of the time are black and the comparison to the white stats it's it's it's Statistically, it's one of the most damning reports you'll ever see does it take into account white people just being awesome it doesn't but I like Smiles it takes into how awesome our smiles are but then like But there's less contrast with our teeth, so they're not as dramatic.
Yeah, exactly.
We don't get enough credit for our smiles and our eyes.
Dude, like, how often black people were arrested there?
joe rogan
Hold on, look at this.
Its report detailed how Ferguson operated a vertically integrated system from street cop to court clerk to judge to city administrator to city council to raise revenue for the city budget through increased ticketing and fining.
Whoa.
tom segura
But, dude, the stats are the craziest.
Like, all the fucking arrests, or black people were at such a disproportionate disadvantage as far as how often they were arrested when they were not doing anything and no contraband.
Walking down the street, like that guy said, versus a white person.
It's not even comparable.
joe rogan
Really?
tom segura
How often force was used, like 10 to 1, black to white.
It's crazy stats.
unidentified
Jesus.
tom segura
Every time a dog has bitten a person in Ferguson since the report was put together, 100% black.
It's just so blatant.
brian redban
To be fair, the whole town is pretty much black, though.
tom segura
Well, I think they said it was 67%, right?
brian redban
Well, there's a good New York Post report on it where they pretty much went through it and pretty much said, that's why this is this.
It's not as racist as you think.
tom segura
Well, you know what?
Quit crying then.
brian redban
I mean, I'm sure it is, but...
joe rogan
Well, we've talked about this 100 times before.
If you're in a bad neighborhood, you grew up in a bad neighborhood, you have families that have been involved in crime...
It's a system that you're stuck in.
Whether it's some sort of grand conspiracy, which some people claim, or just some inescapable sort of momentous thing, where you got momentum on your side, or against you, rather.
You know, momentum of your family, your neighborhood, the kids you grew up with, all these people involved in crime.
That momentum is very, very difficult to break.
It's very difficult to get a fresh start.
So thinking that anyone who grows up in those environments should have to behave exactly the same way without any consideration for how they've been developed and grown up In comparison to a guy like Tommy Buns who had it light walking around in Florida with fucking shorts on.
You know what I'm saying?
tom segura
Sandals, too.
joe rogan
Did you?
tom segura
Sometimes.
joe rogan
Let those feet fly.
tom segura
Do you want to hear some of these stats?
joe rogan
Sure.
tom segura
They're pretty crazy.
All right.
Despite making up 67% of the population, African Americans accounted for 85% of traffic stops, 90% of citations.
So that goes back to the money thing.
And 93% of Ferguson Police Department arrests from 2012 to 2014. 93?
joe rogan
They probably have to occasionally arrest a white person just for a goof.
tom segura
Of African Americans, 2.07 times more likely to be searched during a vehicular stop, but are 26% less likely to have counterbind found on them.
joe rogan
Look at this.
The statistics don't prove racism because blacks don't commit traffic offenses at the same rate as other population groups.
tom segura
It's pretty insane.
joe rogan
What they're trying to say, that's a really nice way of saying black people cause more crime.
That's what they're saying.
What they're saying, it doesn't prove racism because black people just cause more crime.
That's what they're saying.
Blacks are 31% more likely than whites to be pulled over for a traffic stop.
Nationwide.
Nationwide.
tom segura
That's pretty incredible.
joe rogan
So Ferguson being a black majority town, if its blacks are pulled over at the same rate as blacks nationally, they'd account for 87.5% of traffic stops.
So it's racist even by that standard.
tom segura
This one's pretty amazing.
African Americans account for 95% of manner of walking charges.
joe rogan
Manner of walking?
Hold on.
There's a manner of walking charge?
tom segura
94% of all fail-to-comply charges, 92% of resisting arrest, 92% of peace disturbance, and 89% of failure to obey.
joe rogan
What about pimp strutting?
tom segura
99.9%.
brian redban
Is that really a law?
You're not allowed to walk a certain way?
tom segura
Manner of walking.
joe rogan
Manner of walking?
unidentified
What does that mean?
tom segura
I think that falls into that jaywalking stuff, like all that stuff.
joe rogan
Boy, come on, manner of walking.
You're calling something manner of walking?
tom segura
I don't like the way you lean to the left.
joe rogan
How about you be a little more fucking specific?
Manner of walking charges?
tom segura
That's pretty crazy.
joe rogan
Jamie, Google manner of walking charges.
Tell us what manner of walking charges entail.
Even jaywalking is fucking goofy.
tom segura
It's not real.
joe rogan
They bag people in Hollywood for jaywalking all the time.
I've seen it.
People across Sunset, they're trying to keep people from dying.
All these texting assholes out here, they're already going up on sidewalks.
tom segura
They are, yeah.
You know what they could do?
They could just send Suge around and make sure people don't jaywalk.
joe rogan
I don't think he's around right now.
I think he's busy in jail.
tom segura
He's pretty busy.
joe rogan
After that video, he's pretty fucked though, right?
Wouldn't you assume?
tom segura
Yeah, that's pretty bad.
joe rogan
But maybe not, if they could prove that guy had a gun.
unidentified
Yeah, it'd be funny if they pull one of the gas pedals.
tom segura
There's a thing.
joe rogan
I don't think you're saying that.
tom segura
No, I know.
He said he really didn't know he was running a lot.
He said he was in fear of his life, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, he might have been.
tom segura
Yeah, I don't know, man.
I think that's probably going to...
Now, if Robert Durst had been driving that truck...
joe rogan
That'd be something innocuous municipal principle code municipal code requires pedestrians to walk on the sidewalks or close to the side of the road whenever possible.
Its intent is to make sure people don't block a road.
But according to a federal report, police have routinely used the law for another purpose to fine and harass blacks.
I don't like how they wrote blacks.
How about black people?
Okay, they're not blacks.
They're black people.
African Americans accounted for 95% of manner of walking along roadway charges from 2011 to 2013. 95%.
Wow.
And that's nationwide?
brian redban
No, this is Ferguson.
We called it walking black.
joe rogan
Walking black.
You would leave out of your house to go to the store and you might not make it back.
Wow.
What a fucked up place.
They stalk you and stop you, he said.
They will say, hey, what's your name?
Got any warrants?
Why are you strolling through the neighborhood?
Come here.
You look suspicious.
What the fuck, man?
See, that is just crazy.
And that they actually somehow or another, that fuels the system.
And that by fining people and arresting people and all that, it somehow or another fuels the system.
I mean, that's really a style of slavery.
tom segura
Well, yeah, these stats, I mean, I think they probably have to feel...
Black people in Ferguson probably feel really validated after all the marching and then people being like...
Because, you know, people were like, come on!
joe rogan
This is ridiculous.
tom segura
We're just whining.
joe rogan
This is not whining.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
94% of all failure-to-comply charges were filed against blacks.
The whole thing of walking down the road and people pull up and start asking questions like that.
Unless you're doing something wrong, leave me the fuck alone.
tom segura
Of course.
joe rogan
That's what America's all about.
tom segura
Well, that's the thing is that we do get left alone.
joe rogan
Yeah, we do get left alone, and that's what it should be.
tom segura
Right.
brian redban
That happened to me the other day, though.
joe rogan
Look at you.
brian redban
I was on my own property.
tom segura
You got that thug kind of look at you.
joe rogan
Look at you, dude.
tom segura
What happened?
joe rogan
Are you sagging?
brian redban
Police just came up.
I was getting out of my car.
tom segura
Really?
brian redban
And the cop's like, what are you doing, man?
I'm like, going into my house.
I had my book bag.
And he goes, let me see your ID. I'm like, why are you at my house right now?
And he made me show him his license and stuff.
And he's just like, you just look weird, man.
You have a book bag.
You're going into your house.
tom segura
You're not two in the morning.
Why is that so fucking bizarre?
brian redban
And I filmed the whole thing.
I just took out my phone and just go, why are you making it?
This is like months ago.
joe rogan
Did you read it?
brian redban
No, it's at home.
I can find it for you.
I just don't want to start a fight with...
Glendale Burton.
joe rogan
I asked Ari, and I have to ask you, is it okay if I upload the video of you two arguing about American Sniper?
tom segura
Yeah, of course.
Of course.
joe rogan
I just don't want to be rude.
tom segura
Oh, no, that's nice of you.
Yeah, no.
joe rogan
Good for you, but not good for Ari.
America is going to be very upset at his lack of patriotism and his hate for the hero.
unidentified
Look, let's just put it this way, guys.
tom segura
Here's the truth.
Shroomfest has side effects.
And good ol' Ari.
joe rogan
I'll do my impression of Ari.
It's a fucking terrible movie!
brian redban
This is a fake baby!
tom segura
They go, you know, he says, they're going to war.
And they're like, oh, let's go to war.
My favorite...
unidentified
That's entirely safe!
tom segura
They go, let's go to war.
joe rogan
I'll play it, man.
tom segura
What are you talking about?
And then he goes, yeah, Bradley Cooper did a good impression of the guy.
I'm like, well, that's the fucking gig, asshole.
Like, if you're an actor, it's like, can you do a good impression?
Like, he's like...
unidentified
The fact that they didn't show him getting shot was actually a good choice.
ari shaffir
Two hour and 17 minute movie, and then at the end, they're like, he was killed that day in writing?
tom segura
Listen, you communist fuck...
unidentified
They show four tours of duty.
They show his whole 40-minute training thing for no reason.
He's training for 40 minutes in the movie.
tom segura
What do you mean for no reason?
unidentified
Training?
Because you're seeing how hard it is to become a SEAL. You mean no reason?
That's a different story.
It's a different story.
It's his story.
tom segura
It's a character study.
He didn't feel it at all.
ari shaffir
There was not a moment where I was lost in it.
unidentified
I was like, wow, you're really feeling tough being back home now.
All contrived.
tom segura
You see him breaking down.
unidentified
He has PTSD. Hey!
But Paul, he was defending me.
Is that true, son?
Yeah, because you have a black eye, obviously.
That's beautiful.
tom segura
Of course.
unidentified
Please.
joe rogan
It was so fun to be there, dude.
tom segura
That was a fun night.
joe rogan
I really enjoyed it.
tom segura
I think that night, yeah, that night, by the way, that was you?
joe rogan
Miss Pat.
tom segura
Miss Pat was hanging, but she was hanging, which was cool.
But on stage, Joey Burr Ari and myself.
That was one of the most fun lineups I've ever been a part of.
joe rogan
That shit was murderous.
tom segura
That was pretty crazy.
joe rogan
That was murderous.
That place was worn to the ground by the time the people left out of there, they were like wiping their forehead.
tom segura
And people were doing like fucking 25 minute sets or longer.
joe rogan
Yeah, everybody did 25 minutes.
tom segura
It was pretty crazy.
joe rogan
It was a long show.
It was chaos, man.
They're beautiful.
tom segura
The place is the best.
And we're on Ari's show.
joe rogan
This Thursday night.
tom segura
This Thursday.
You and I are on the same episode.
unidentified
Yay!
tom segura
And Crisella Alonzo, we each tell a story on Ari Shafir's This Is Not Happening.
joe rogan
12.30 a.m.
Thursday night.
Don't look for it Wednesday at 12.30 a.m.
Don't be an asshole.
You know what I'm talking about.
You're up on Thursday.
You stay up.
tom segura
Figure out clocks.
unidentified
It becomes 12.30 Yeah, it's technically Friday.
joe rogan
You should shut the fuck up and understand how America works.
It's 1230 a.m.
I'm awake, bitch.
It's 4 o'clock in the morning.
It's not 4 o'clock in the morning the next day.
4 o'clock in the morning, Saturday night.
You know why it's Saturday night?
Because I'm still out.
tom segura
I'm out, man.
unidentified
Okay?
joe rogan
I'm out.
This is fucking Saturday night.
tom segura
This is midday for me, buddy.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's Thursday night.
tom segura
I don't know if I'll...
I haven't seen it, so I'm excited to see whether I did that taping for this episode the day...
I got back from Hong Kong for like the night so I am on like I fell asleep in the green room there sitting up and somebody was like hey man and I stood up and I started to like I was so jet-lagged crazy but I still had a blast it was you know those crowds are amazing yeah and his new special which is not as new special that's his last special airs this Friday night too that's What's that one called?
That's called Passive Aggressive.
joe rogan
Passive Aggressive.
Passive Aggressive airs Friday.
You could still get his other special, which is fucking awesome, which is called Paid Regular, which you could get that one on Comedy Central Direct.
It airs occasionally.
You know, they replay those things sometimes.
So check your local listings, you fucks.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck faces.
brian redban
Cunts.
joe rogan
Ari's ballin', out of control.
I had him on yesterday.
He's so confident now, it's hilarious.
tom segura
It's great, huh?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a different guy.
brian redban
It's so weird.
I was going up that hill where Pink Dot is, and he has that billboard that's right of it.
But, like, I was in traffic, and I'm just, like, looking up, and suddenly you see just Ari's eyes poke up from the hill when you're driving up that hill.
Mm-hmm.
You just see Ari's face on sunset.
It's crazy.
tom segura
So he's super confident now, huh?
joe rogan
He's balling out of control.
Yeah, he was on the podcast yesterday shitting on Howard Stern, telling him and Clint Eastwood to go suck their old old man dicks.
Suck each other off.
brian redban
Howard just did it again.
He just bashed his podcast almost every episode now.
unidentified
Does he?
brian redban
He's like, I had a podcast when I was six years old!
And I was like, yeah, it's called You Had a Tape Recorder.
Howard, chill the fuck out.
joe rogan
Well, Brian's upset, too.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
I don't have any problem with him saying that, because it doesn't make any sense, and I feel like he's baiting people to talk about them.
tom segura
This was his genius play that people didn't know how he dominated radio, was that when he was introduced to a market, the first thing he did was shit on the number one local show.
Like, he would shit on that show.
And then the people that listened to that show would find out.
They would end up checking out his show.
He baits people this way.
I think almost everything he does is...
What's that?
brian redban
Do you think this, though, is that?
Or do you think this is just him and an old man being out of touch?
tom segura
I think you could say that part of it...
I think part of it maybe genuinely is like, that's stupid.
The other part is he knows that podcasts are getting big.
Make fun of podcasts.
Make them come listen to the show.
It's not like...
The guy's a brilliant fucking guy.
unidentified
Exactly!
joe rogan
That's what I've been saying.
Give me some knuckles, dog.
I bet I'll like fucking American Sniper when I see it, too.
unidentified
Ew.
tom segura
For sure.
brian redban
You're not going to like that movie.
tom segura
No?
Why?
brian redban
I haven't seen it, but everyone tells me it's like the shittiest movie ever.
What the fuck are you talking about?
joe rogan
Not everyone.
I've talked to quite a few people that liked it.
tom segura
It's not the shittiest movie ever.
I don't understand.
joe rogan
We should go see it.
Have you seen it?
brian redban
I will see it.
joe rogan
We'll go see it together.
We'll see it together.
We'll see it together and we'll make a report.
tom segura
Okay, it's, you know, I can see...
joe rogan
We'll see it together before, and we'll do a podcast at night.
We'll see it during the day, and we'll come in here.
tom segura
I definitely can see, you know, people saying, I like this movie.
For any movie, right?
I like that movie.
I don't like that movie.
joe rogan
Sure.
tom segura
Like, that it's a piece of shit?
Not a fucking chance.
If you think it's a piece of shit, you're fucking retarded.
Like, that's...
Something is wrong with you.
If you go, that's a piece of shit garbage movie.
It's ridiculous.
It's a quality film.
I didn't see it.
Sniper is a quality film.
I can see you not liking different things about it.
You can be like, I'm against war, I'm against military, all that stuff, absolutely.
And you can even say, I don't like it, but to be like, that's a piece of garbage movie?
It's ridiculous.
joe rogan
What do you think was better, that or Lone Survivor?
I didn't see either one of them.
tom segura
I think Lone Survivor was pretty fucking fantastically done as far as the battles.
Yeah.
Which is basically the whole film.
It's a really good movie.
And that surprised the shit out of me.
I saw it at home.
The billboard never did anything.
I was like, I don't want to see this.
I thought Lone Survivor was one of those fucking Rambo movies.
I thought Lone Survivor won against everybody.
unidentified
Bullshit.
joe rogan
Just some fiction.
tom segura
That's what I thought.
I didn't look into it, and it came on when I just started, and I was like, it's fucking midnight, I'll watch this.
It's really good.
joe rogan
It's going to be real hard for someone to make a fictional movie that really resonates about war, other than like a Hurt Locker type movie.
tom segura
Right.
joe rogan
Where you show like some weird aberration, like this dude who wants to keep going back.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
And uncork bombs.
tom segura
I mean, my argument with Art, which you'll see, we argue too about how Cooper did, as far as portraying the role.
I think he did a great job.
I mean, I thought there's a lot of layers to his performance, and you see somebody suffer from PTSD in the film as effectively as you could show it.
I thought he did a great job.
Did you like Zero Dark Thirty?
joe rogan
Yeah, I liked that.
I liked it, but what I didn't like is the bullshit.
I didn't like the fact that they had created this woman who was the architect of this thing, and then I found out that she didn't exist.
I went, what?
unidentified
What?
tom segura
I thought that she did exist.
joe rogan
That's not what I heard.
tom segura
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom segura
That the woman that was locked onto the messenger?
joe rogan
No, I heard that that was a plot piece.
Pull that up, Jamie.
Make sure I'm correct.
Because I'm getting it from a ranting army ranger.
Who had a few beers in him.
tom segura
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's funny.
He was explaining to me what was bullshit about it, how it was bullshit that they would never listen to her.
Like, this whole thing is ridiculous.
Like, the way they portrayed everybody was ridiculous.
Then there's the story, which is very different.
The story that the guy wrote That was there, the guy who apparently was there on the raid who wrote, which differs from other people's versions of the event.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
It makes you wonder, man.
I wonder how much of these guys, you know, because the Chris Kyle thing had come under fire from a lot of people because he apparently lied about a lot of shit in his book.
tom segura
He made up some shit, for sure.
joe rogan
He made up a lot of shit in his book.
And you got to wonder how much these guys are involved in this insanely risky endeavor, right?
You're a fucking special ops soldier.
You're out there doing nutty shit in the middle of the night with night vision, shooting people, fucking high, high, high risk.
And, you know, when they realize, like, this is not going to pay off financially.
The only way to do it is just fucking let's juice this story up.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's add some stuff to this.
Let's throw some controversial shit in there that's going to guarantee that people are going to talk about it.
tom segura
True.
joe rogan
You know?
tom segura
Yeah, I mean, and like, you know, I've read the articles about things that he claimed, and I don't know if there's any- Oh, so it's a real woman?
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it is a real woman.
unidentified
That's what I thought.
joe rogan
So he was talking crazy.
Okay, let's find out what wasn't true about Zero Dark Thirty.
What was incorrect about Zero Dark Thirty?
Because that's a big thing about me lately, is these fucking movies that are on real life, and they make shit up.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because of that Foxcatcher movie, which was about this guy Mark Schultz who fought in the UFC and all sorts of bullshit in that movie.
He made a Twitter post about it yesterday asking people if they were interested in him giving a detailed account of all the inaccuracies of the movie.
He said, if people are interested in it, let me know and I'll do that.
And so people started responding to him and I retweeted it because I want to know.
Because I know a bunch of them.
Just based on who he was at the time.
Like that he was already a world champion.
That he was already one of the best wrestlers on the planet.
That he was...
The UFC wasn't even around when they had him watching the UFC in 1987. Didn't exist.
All this weird gay shit between him and that DuPont.
Not real.
No one says that.
Like, they made a bunch of shit up to try to move the story along, and it's about a guy who's really lost.
tom segura
They do this to every movie, though.
Every movie that's based on a real story, there's added characters, added moments to dramatize, added stuff to pique your interest and make the story more interesting.
They should almost, at the end of films, put up a slate that just shows you everything.
Like, here are the scenes that we completely made up.
You know what I mean?
So you would walk away going, oh, okay.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, apparently there's a lot of people...
Um, that think that Zero Dark Thirty has, there's a lot of shit in it that's bullshit.
tom segura
Well, yeah.
joe rogan
There's a whole, uh, I'm looking at several articles about the factual errors or the things that is made up about Zero Dark Thirty.
tom segura
Apparently, I mean, and obviously this guy's not going to come clean about what's accurate or not, but, um, He was a CIA director at the time.
He's played by Gandolfini in Zero Dark Thirty.
I can't remember his name.
joe rogan
Whatever.
tom segura
But he said that, because I think Gandolfini curses in the movie as him, when he's playing the part of this guy, and he goes, that's the only accurate part of that movie.
But I say fuck a lot.
joe rogan
Yeah, well they don't, they're not really that interested in making things accurate.
They're interested in making things accurate enough.
tom segura
Compelling movie.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Accurate enough and then good.
And that's where these, that's why I think it's like to dramatize a true story, you have a massive obligation.
You have a massive obligation to make it interesting, but also to make it factual.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because it's a true story.
A lot of people find out about certain things and they hear about them from a movie.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You expect like, oh, it's based on a true story.
You know, that really, this guy really did this.
And then you find out, nope, never did that.
Like the Ruben Carter hurricane movie.
You know that movie?
tom segura
Yes.
Denzel.
joe rogan
Oprah Winfrey had the guy on the show and wow, we let him loose and it's, you know, the guy was in jail and it was all wrong.
It was against him and he could have been the champion of the world.
And then there's a cop in the movie that's always trying to get him.
That cop wasn't even real.
The cop didn't exist.
Like this one cop that's been trying to get him his whole life.
So you made a story about a real guy and his real story.
But then you added this character in there to sort of move everything along the way you think it should in a good guy, bad guy movie.
tom segura
But I see, you know, in my limited experience with this, like I have a script thing that I'm working on.
joe rogan
Oh shit, Tommy Bunz.
tom segura
When I get the notes, screenwriting.
Yeah, when you get notes from, like, producers or network people, you're like...
It's always stuff like, add something like this.
Put that...
This character should have more of somebody that challenges them this way.
And so you see...
Like, I see how you go, but isn't the meat of this...
Like, doesn't this work enough as a story?
And it's like, yeah, but...
This is how we make stories.
This is how movies and shows are made.
So add all these elements to it.
joe rogan
You've got to have autonomy if you're going to have your own creation.
Because that's the problem with movies and TV shows.
They cost a lot of money to make.
So when a lot of people are putting their money up, they want results and they want it to be their way.
And they want to get their little greasy fingers all over everything.
tom segura
Which is why you have to listen to their...
Yeah.
joe rogan
Otherwise, you'd be like...
Imagine if that was the case with stand-up.
Imagine if you became an entity as a stand-up comedian.
Like, hey, Tom, we really like what you're doing out there, so we want to be in business with you.
So what we're going to do is we're going to put up the money for all your travel, all your hotel, we're going to give you a salary, and...
We're going to be a part of Tom Segura Enterprises, and we're going to have meetings every week, and what are we working on this week?
Well, here's a script that Bobby and the writers have come up.
You know, you can alter this if you like, Tom, as long as, of course, we approve it at the end before you go on stage.
And you get to this, like, what?
What have I done?
We're so spoiled!
tom segura
That's why it's the last and best thing that you can never give up if you're doing it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't give it up.
tom segura
We're so spoiled.
You really get to do whatever you want.
joe rogan
And even more so now because you have podcasts.
I've seen how the podcast has changed your whole thing, man.
You guys sell out everywhere now.
You have a real following.
tom segura
Dude, I just did a tour of one-nighters.
Almost every one was sold out.
I mean, from Hattiesburg, Mississippi, which was unbelievable.
This place, Hub City Comedy.
Lafayette the next night, and then I did Punchline in Atlanta, Jacksonville, West Palm Beach.
Bam!
joe rogan
And it's all podcast fans.
tom segura
Podcast and Netflix, the two of them together.
unidentified
Isn't that nuts?
tom segura
It's amazing, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and this is all internet stuff.
All of it's internet.
tom segura
My whole thing is internet.
Isn't that amazing?
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
This is a weird time for that.
tom segura
Yeah.
It's pretty cool, man.
joe rogan
It's so cool.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because, like, all the shit that you have to deal with if you're creating a script and it has to get passed by all these producers and executives, none of that exists, but yet all this success exists.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
All these people love what you're doing.
Like, what fucking studio executive would sign off on Black or Tom?
tom segura
I don't think...
unidentified
None.
joe rogan
Zero.
You couldn't have people in the room with you.
They would be, like, shaking their head, looking at each other.
unidentified
I'll talk.
joe rogan
And they would go, Tom, so, hey, um, went well, went well.
Black time or black.
For what you get out of it, I don't think it's your best work.
For what you get out of it, I just think it's not worth what you give up.
I'm going to show you some tweets.
Look at the guy with the egg next to his name.
His name is ZeroDark30 and he thinks you're a racist.
tom segura
We should stop.
I was on a morning news show.
It was like good morning whatever things.
And I had on, like, a black jacket and a black and gray, I think, either L.A. hat.
I think it was an L.A. hat.
It was black and gray.
And he was like, big Dodger fan?
And I go, no, I hate baseball.
And he was like, ah, okay.
And I go, I just wear hats for the colors, like black guys, you know, just to match.
And he was like, hey, like...
Immediately was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
joe rogan
On the air?
tom segura
On the air, yeah.
I go, you know, it's just like for, I just wear it for the style, like just for the colors, like black guys.
And he's like, okay, so this weekend you're going to be at the, like, and he, like, I was like, wow, like he flipped out.
joe rogan
Didn't want to lose his job.
tom segura
Yeah, immediately.
And again, he's a news, I'm the comedian, I can say whatever I want, but that for him was like super risky.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if he said that?
Hey, I just wear hats like black guys.
People would want his head.
tom segura
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
You can't, you can't do that if you're a newscaster guy.
They will have you fucking remember.
tom segura
And he thought afterwards, he was like, you're kind of unpredictable, huh?
I was like, it's not really that crazy.
joe rogan
In that world, though, you're a little bitch.
You have to be a company bitch in that world.
You can't have opinions about anything.
tom segura
Everything has to be broad.
joe rogan
Well, we certainly support our heroes.
We'll be right back.
It has to be.
There can't be any weirdness.
tom segura
A little earlier today, we had a guest on.
He made a comment, and we'd just like everybody to know that...
joe rogan
That does not reflect K-Sun 4 News.
tom segura
Anyone can wear hats of any color.
joe rogan
Thank you.
I don't even know where he was going with that.
I didn't understand it either.
Anyway, moving on.
Some people are just not that talented.
They have to resort to shock value.
Shock.
Carrot Top is also going to be...
There's always going to be people like that, man.
tom segura
Unbelievable.
joe rogan
There's no getting around that.
There's always going to be...
Those jobs are like...
If you're going to be the guy on the local news, you almost have to have zero flavor.
tom segura
Yeah.
joe rogan
You can't have any flavor.
tom segura
Flavor's bad.
joe rogan
Flavor's dangerous.
Gets people sued.
That's with morning radio DJs, too.
Right?
Those guys are dying off.
There's not a whole lot of those guys left.
That's what's the most funny thing about Howard saying that podcasting is for losers.
Try getting a radio job.
tom segura
What's just started happening now, and I knew this was going to happen, and it's finally happening, is that they are now finally, clubs are going, there's no more radio.
They're saying, you go, so we're doing press tomorrow morning, and they're like, we don't do that anymore.
And it'll be like, it's not that like, oh, you're completely sold out, we don't need to do any press.
They're just like, it's a waste of time.
They finally realized, I'm not saying all radio is a waste of time, but they realize in certain markets, with certain shows, they're like, we're not going to pay anymore for things, there's no point in bringing you there, it doesn't turn into anything, you don't have to do it.
joe rogan
Well, there was one radio station where I did way back in the day when I used to have to do those morning shows where they talked about how they had a deal with this radio station where they would buy ads.
And because they would buy ads, the DJs would, it was like a bribe to get the comics to come in and do the morning show.
So the comics would come in and do the morning show, tell them when they were there, and they would buy ads for the radio show during the day.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
And I was like, well, you have to buy ads, huh?
Yeah, you can't get anybody in unless you buy ads.
I'm like, wow, it's that blatant?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's that blatant.
tom segura
Yeah, it's great now.
There's been markets now where I go to, and there's radio set up, and I'll be like, I don't want to do it.
And they go, okay, and you know what?
Turnouts, great.
joe rogan
The problem with the radio is just getting up.
Breaks your whole brain.
tom segura
Getting up and you always roll the dice.
There's some great guys doing radio, but then there's also shows where you're like, dude, this is a waste.
Why are we doing this?
This sucks.
joe rogan
That could get bad.
tom segura
That's worse than getting up for me, I think, is when you get there and they're like, what do you want me to ask you?
I'm like, whatever he wants.
joe rogan
Eliza Schlesinger had some crazy incident happen recently.
tom segura
Oh, I think I heard about that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll let her tell it next time she was here.
But she cracked a joke and she didn't realize that this dude's mom was dead.
tom segura
But the dude kind of opened the door to begin with.
joe rogan
I don't remember the exact way the joke went, but it was a classic example.
It was a classic example.
I could call her and have her talk about it on the air.
Let me see if she'll do that.
unidentified
Let's see if she even answers.
joe rogan
Give it a shot.
I've never done this before.
Fuck it.
But it's just highlighting how those people can be a huge pain in the ass.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Let's see.
tom segura
You gonna patch it in through the speakerphone?
joe rogan
Yeah, this is how I do it.
It's high-tech.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's high tech as fuck.
unidentified
What is that?
tom segura
That sounds like...
Oh.
unidentified
What?
tom segura
What the heck?
joe rogan
That's the government.
That's the government cutting out.
tom segura
Joe Rogan, stop talking shit about 0.30.
joe rogan
NSA doesn't need this.
Yeah, what is that?
A little weird...
unidentified
You have reached the...
Yeah.
joe rogan
That would be a problem.
tom segura
Oh, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She starts getting text.
tom segura
That is...
joe rogan
Asshole face.
unidentified
What the fuck?
tom segura
I feel like the goal of doing stand-up long enough and the biggest mark of success is being like, oh, I don't have to do radio?
That's the dream.
joe rogan
I know, but some places the dream was to do radio.
tom segura
Some places it was.
joe rogan
To get on the Bob and Tom show.
tom segura
Sure, yeah.
joe rogan
You know, Bob and Tom, they fucking said no to Joey Diaz.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
He was supposed to go there and someone saw something on YouTube that he did, or most likely everything on YouTube.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom segura
Anything he's ever said.
joe rogan
Anything he's ever said ever about everything.
tom segura
I have conversations with that guy.
joe rogan
And they pulled him off.
They pulled him off the show.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Yeah, he sold out every show.
I tweeted the shit out of it.
He sold out every fucking show.
And then Bob and Tom got hit with a deluge of insults.
You guys are old.
You're fucking idiots.
You're losers.
He's the funniest guy on earth.
You pulled him because of a YouTube video.
He's not the YouTube video, you stupid fucks.
tom segura
Wow.
joe rogan
I don't know what happened, whose decision it was to do that.
Those guys are really good guys, too.
I've done their show before.
Super nice guys.
I don't know whose decision it was to not have Joey on.
It's just so dumb.
tom segura
That's stupid.
joe rogan
He's a professional.
He doesn't swear on the air.
He's not going to do anything stupid.
tom segura
No.
joe rogan
Come on, Indiana.
tom segura
He might bring in some treats for people to try.
joe rogan
He might doze you.
He might doze you.
It might dose ya.
tom segura
You eat your breakfast burrito yet?
Try this.
joe rogan
Where are you headed to this weekend?
tom segura
Let's see.
Tomorrow I'm doing the Ventura Harbor Comedy Club.
unidentified
Oh!
tom segura
So I'm doing that Wednesday night.
And then...
joe rogan
How is that?
That's in Ventura, California?
tom segura
Yeah, I haven't done it.
unidentified
That's not that far away.
tom segura
I'm excited to do it, yeah.
joe rogan
I heard that's good.
tom segura
I think it's going to be fun.
Sunday I do just the podcast live, and then next week Virginia Beach Funny Bone.
And today I added a bunch.
I'm doing some big...
Venues coming up, and I added them.
I got Park West in Chicago, Neptune Theater in Seattle.
joe rogan
All of it available at TomSeguro.com.
Yeah, very excited.
All right, fuckers.
Let's wrap this bitch up.
I gotta get out of here.
I got things to do.
Oh, Brian, you got a show tomorrow night at the Comedy Store, right?
brian redban
Yes, Burt Kreischer, Ari Shaffir, a bunch of us.
joe rogan
Bam, bam, bam.
Ice House tomorrow night is sold the fuck out.
And that shit's going to be off the chain as well.
Majestic Theater in Dallas, Friday night, almost sold out.
Very few tickets left.
Tony Hinchcliffe, Ian Edwards, and me.
Alright, we'll see you guys next week.
Much love.
Enjoy your weekend.
Big kiss for all you.
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