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Feb. 4, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #609 - Tom Papa
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brian redban
08:43
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joe rogan
01:20:48
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tom papa
46:43
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craig jones
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unidentified
What's that?
Stevia?
Do you want some coffee?
Sure.
joe rogan
So you're looking at it, Tom Papa.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you want some of this?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what this is?
This is bulletproof coffee.
tom papa
Bulletproof?
unidentified
You ever had it?
No.
joe rogan
The idea behind it.
Is there any in there?
tom papa
Yeah.
It feels so cold.
joe rogan
It's not.
Don't worry.
It's coffee that's blended with grass-fed butter and MCT oil.
tom papa
What?
joe rogan
It's actually...
It's very controversial.
tom papa
It looks milky.
joe rogan
It's delicious.
The guy who invented it was a guy named Rob Wolf, but the guy who popularized it is kind of a nutty dude that had a lot of false claims about the benefits of it.
If you want some of this stevia stuff, this is actually pretty yummy, but you've got to use very little of it.
It's very sweet, but it has no sugar in it.
It's a natural sweetener.
tom papa
Is there milk in this?
joe rogan
It's butter.
tom papa
It's butter?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's butter.
Grass-fed butter blended in with MCT oil.
MCT oil is medium-chain triglyceride oil.
It's the healthiest aspects of coconut oil.
It's spun in a centrifuge, and then it's extracted.
And then they take that, and they blend it in.
With the coffee.
tom papa
This is why I love you, Joe Rogan.
unidentified
Why?
tom papa
Because of that?
This kind of stuff.
Whenever I listen to you, you know more about this kind of stuff.
When I listen to you say stuff like that, I'm like, what do I do with my time?
I need to read more.
So this is black coffee?
joe rogan
No.
Well, it was black, but then it's blended in with this medium.
I don't know what's in that one.
They're all bulletproof, right?
None of it's black.
tom papa
It tastes good.
joe rogan
You like it?
It's yummy and buttery, right?
tom papa
I love coffee.
unidentified
Me too.
tom papa
I'm addicted to coffee.
joe rogan
Me too.
tom papa
When I go to sleep at night, I get so excited like, oh, I'm going to close my eyes now.
And when I open them, it's going to be coffee time again.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Completely.
joe rogan
That's bizarre, dude.
You might want to look into that.
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
You ever take time off of coffee?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
Not interested in that, huh?
tom papa
No.
No.
I'm not fighting it.
I was like, maybe I shouldn't have it in the afternoon.
No.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of false...
Like, false ideas that people have about the negative aspects of coffee.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's not really that bad for you.
tom papa
It's not, right?
joe rogan
No.
It's a dehydrating element.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, it has a diuretic effect, but you just drink water.
unidentified
It'll be alright.
tom papa
I need energy.
I need to get through all day and night.
joe rogan
But the problem is with some people, it stresses their adrenals.
Like, you drink too much coffee.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like many things.
You know, you can't...
tom papa
If you go overboard.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you have too much salt, it'll fucking kill you.
I mean, look, if you eat a pound of salt, you're a dead man.
tom papa
Right.
unidentified
Right.
tom papa
Yeah.
No, that's how I feel.
I feel like we're grown-ups now, and there are things that are kind of vices, and you have to manage them.
That's a good way to do it.
Like drinking.
I'm not going to drink like I did when I was 25. I drink like a grown-up, like a gentleman.
joe rogan
Like a gentleman.
tom papa
Five o'clock comes, a martini shaker, one cocktail, that's it.
joe rogan
Who's getting hurt?
tom papa
No one's getting hurt.
joe rogan
Matter of fact, they've shown that a glass of wine a day is actually as healthy as exercise for some people.
tom papa
Really?
Who are those some people?
How do you know if you're one of the some?
joe rogan
Well, you probably.
I think the idea behind a glass of wine is, first of all, there's resveratrol in it, which is a...
A natural antioxidant that comes from grapes and exists in wine, and it's actually very good for you.
I actually take it as a supplement.
Resveratrol is very good for you.
But then on top of that, there's a certain amount of benefit in a stress relieving.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
The wine hits you and you're like...
And that calmness and stress, it's very hard to under or overemphasize how important that is.
tom papa
It's huge.
joe rogan
It's massive.
tom papa
Huge.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I do yoga and it's primarily because of that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
When I'm not doing it, my stress level is so much higher.
It's not the stress levels.
The stress is always the same.
My life is my life.
But it just kind of rolls off when I'm really active with it.
It just kind of rolls off.
joe rogan
Manageable, right?
tom papa
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Do you smoke weed?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
There you go.
tom papa
That's good for you.
It is good for you.
I've kind of...
Cut back?
No, I'm coming back.
joe rogan
Coming back to weed?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I... Custom right here if you want to fire one of these bad boys out.
tom papa
No, I gotta drive.
joe rogan
Scared to drive?
tom papa
Yeah, I am scared.
I am scared.
You know what it is?
I have a friend who's an older guy, comedian.
joe rogan
Talking about me?
tom papa
No.
You're a young man.
This guy, he's gay.
joe rogan
That's definitely not me, bro.
tom papa
He came up during the time when people weren't out.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
And now everybody's out.
But because he grew up during that time, and he's pretty much out, he's still, like, shaky.
Like, he doesn't, he's still scared.
Like, he'll speak in hushed tones about certain stuff.
Because that's how he grew up.
That's how I feel with weed.
I came up when it was illegal, and you were paranoid all the time.
I'm trying to sneak it around.
unidentified
How old are you?
joe rogan
I'm 46. So you're a year younger than me.
That's ridiculous.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm 47. Are you really?
Smoke it, son.
tom papa
Don't be scared.
I smoked, you know, up until, I guess, like maybe, I don't know, five years after college, six years, maybe something like that.
A good 10-year block of all the time.
And then I wasn't as funny.
I really wasn't.
It was taking away my funny.
And so I put it down.
And stayed away for a pretty long time.
And I've been a comedian for 20 years.
So like 10 years of it, I was doing it.
And then the last 10, I haven't been doing it.
And just in the last year or two, I'm like, I'm bringing it back into the fall.
joe rogan
Just been the last year or two?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And was it a pragmatic decision?
Like a funny decision?
tom papa
Yeah, it's pretty thoughtful.
I stopped because there was this kid that I used to, in high school, I used to riff with all the time.
We would get together.
He wasn't a comedian, he was just an Irish guy.
Naturally funny, you know like naturally Irish, those guys that could just curse like nobody could and just hilarious.
And the two of us would always get together at these parties and we would just screw around and everyone would be laughing and you know we were riffing together and it was great.
And so I went away and came back one time in college and I was high.
And we met up at a party and he just ran circles around me.
I completely didn't have it.
I was like...
joe rogan
Because you're too high.
tom papa
I was too high.
I always thought about that.
And then as I was going along, it was like I wasn't as productive.
It wasn't as funny.
It just wasn't working for me.
So I just completely put it down.
And then, you know, worked on my comedy and did everything that I wanted to do as a comedian.
And now the same thing as the alcohol.
Like a gentleman.
I know how to smoke now.
I know how to drink now.
You know what I mean?
So I kind of bring it back.
And especially, I really use it especially when I'm writing.
Yeah.
I always at least have a notebook around me.
I don't like to smoke socially.
joe rogan
No?
tom papa
No.
Do you get weird?
Yeah, I get a little weird.
joe rogan
You're weird right now.
tom papa
I'm always weird.
I always feel weird.
unidentified
Don't you always feel weird?
tom papa
Susan Sarandon had a great quote.
They asked her about, she was going to Coachella, and they asked her, are you going to get high?
She's like, you know, I do this, I do that.
Will you get high there?
She's like, I don't know.
She goes, I have a rule.
I never get high if I have to pretend that I'm not.
Isn't that great?
That really hit home for me.
I'm like, there's so many times.
I don't want to be like, no, I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm okay.
joe rogan
Yeah, you should never lie about being high.
But people do.
It's like people lie about three things on a regular basis.
They lie about being high, they lie about whether or not they were awake when you called them, and they lie whether or not they farted.
Those are three things that are super common that people lie about.
tom papa
I was just with a friend of mine, I'll say his name, Flanny, the guy who runs Largo.
And we were just having coffee this morning.
And we're the only two people outside.
joe rogan
And he farted.
tom papa
And he farted.
joe rogan
Motherfucker.
tom papa
I mean, like a big cabbage fart.
And I'm like, planning.
He's like, I didn't do it.
I'm like, yes, you did.
Yes, you did.
Because even if it was mine and it snuck out and I wasn't aware, mine never smelled like your big Scottish ass, Irish ass.
And he completely lied right to my face.
And then when we were saying goodbye at the parking meters, the smell came up again, and I just let it go.
I'm like, he's not going to cop to it.
joe rogan
Some people just fart all over you.
tom papa
Did you smoke the whole time?
Did you smoke all the way through, or did you pick up weed later on?
joe rogan
I picked up weed when I was 30. When you were 30?
Yeah, so last 17 years.
tom papa
See, that's healthy.
Because your brain was already, you were already Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
I had a bad idea of it, though.
My idea of weed was that weed was bad for you.
My idea was that weed was just, you know, it was a crutch and it was for weak-minded people.
You know, I had this, I had a lot of misconceptions about pot.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I picked it up, I guess, I want to say, what year was it?
Yeah, it was somewhere around 2000. What was your first time?
tom papa
Was it a big deal that it was your first time?
Because you had this idea.
joe rogan
I guess it was probably before 2000, now that I think about it.
Because it was before Y2K, because I was high when Y2K was happening.
I was fucking terrified.
unidentified
Jesus!
joe rogan
It's all going down!
tom papa
It's really happening.
joe rogan
My ideas were all wrong, and they were all based on people being losers.
It was also based on just the idea of drugs themselves.
I had grown up around quite a few people that had drug problems, especially with coke, which I'd never have done.
And it's because of that, it's because of seeing these people, their lives get devastated by this drug.
So I was terrified of all drugs I felt like made you a loser.
tom papa
Yeah.
Well, it's not, yeah.
I mean, if you're around it and you see it.
I didn't think that it was so much a loser thing.
And I don't, at this point, I do think you can start too early.
I do think, as a parent, and I'm saying this in case my children's friends listen to the show and then tell my daughter.
But I do think, like, if you can start too early.
Everyone I know who started too early got a little weird.
joe rogan
You can.
tom papa
They spun out a little bit.
Your brain has to kind of become you.
You're so, just to figure out who you are and what, you know, your brain is really hyper-developing then.
Like, why mess with it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think you're taking a real big leap from your normal consciousness when you're getting high.
And when you're just sort of getting the feel of your normal consciousness, if you're getting high all the time, I think you miss out on a developmental period.
tom papa
Completely.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Very confusing period, and then why throw that into it?
joe rogan
Yeah, no, I completely agree.
I think that there's a certain amount of people, especially, that should never try weed.
It's just not for them.
tom papa
Not at all.
Did you feel like by the time you were 30 when you started, like you kind of were done with all of figuring out who you were, kind of weirdness, or were you...
Um, I don't know.
joe rogan
No, I'm still figuring out who I am.
I think if you really are not growing anymore as a person, you're basically dead in the water.
Right.
I'm not perfect.
No one's perfect.
So if you're not perfect, you're constantly trying to improve on various aspects of your life.
And as a comic, especially when you abandon your material, like you have an act, you put out a special, and then you toss all your material out.
You're starting fresh.
You kind of got to reinvent what your thoughts are.
You're definitely reinventing what you're presenting on stage.
So there's this constant...
Sort of cycle or developmental period where you go through, you put out the special, you hone it to as fine an edge as you think that you can, and then you release it, and then you go, okay, let's start all over again.
And when you're starting all over again, there's a lot of thinking involved.
That's why those old guys that never wrote, there was a period...
tom papa
Terrifying.
joe rogan
Yeah.
We've all seen those guys that have the same act from 20 years ago.
tom papa
Scary.
joe rogan
Those poor bastards.
tom papa
They become irrelevant.
Really quick.
joe rogan
They die.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They die in their mind.
Their mind is dead.
tom papa
Dead.
joe rogan
Like you see them on stage telling those old jokes and you're like, fucking Christ, man.
tom papa
Yeah.
There was a guy who came into the improv not too long ago and was doing OJ jokes.
joe rogan
Unless it's a really good OJ joke.
I mean, you never know.
tom papa
It wasn't like...
joe rogan
Never now and then a guy has a new take on an old story.
tom papa
Oh, that old yarn.
unidentified
But if he's like, so, you guys heard about OJ, right?
tom papa
Do you think he was guilty?
But we're so self-aware as comedians.
You're always looking at yourself, analyzing yourself.
You know what I mean?
We're kind of hyper-aware.
joe rogan
We kind of have to.
Otherwise, you can bomb.
tom papa
You ever have a big thing happen in your life and you go back on stage and you're like, oh, I'm a different guy than...
The guy that wrote this stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, definitely.
tom papa
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Well, that's the beautiful thing about getting rid of your act every couple years.
tom papa
Yeah.
craig jones
You know, or at least doing a new special and starting from scratch every couple years.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
So you can kind of represent who you are right now.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, I'll go back and listen to, like, my first CD from 1999, and I'm like, oh, fucking Christ.
It's hard.
And at least that was like a CD on Warner Brothers, like a real CD. Like, I can go back and listen to recordings before that, and they're fucking god-awful.
tom papa
It's just...
joe rogan
If you had to go back and do your own act from your first couple years.
tom papa
Oh my god.
What's amazing to me and I always think about is people were hiring me when I was telling these jokes.
I was making money with this act.
It was so bad.
joe rogan
Well, if you went to any comedy club across the country, you see various stages of development.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're always going to see that.
I mean, I remember really clearly, like, struggling and trying to put it together and then going to see someone really good and being like, fuck, I'm never getting there.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is never happening.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Makes you almost want to quit.
tom papa
I know.
You know who's been doing that to me lately is Maria Bamford.
I watched her, ran into her a couple times, and she was just...
She's been so prolific and writing so much and such good stuff.
And I was just like, it's good.
It's like you go, all right, let me look at my material.
What am I cheating on?
I'm getting laughs with this whole act.
But what am I really, what am I mugging?
Where is there not really a solid idea or a solid joke?
And you start looking at it and you're like, all right, I'm cheating here.
That's a good line.
I don't know why they're laughing at this.
Maybe it's my funny face when I say it, you know what I mean?
It's like, to really kind of look at it and analyze it, it's like, this is, I'm kind of cheating 80% of the time.
joe rogan
Well, that's why being inspired by your peers, it's one of the good things about being in a big comedy community like New York or LA, is that you get to be around all these high-level comics on a regular basis, and you sort of can compare yourself to them.
tom papa
Completely.
This is why I'm psyched to be here, and I really am very happy to be here, because I've been a fan of yours for a long, long time, and we never really hung out.
That's a big sea of comedy.
If we could both be in it for that long...
And not really see each other.
You know what I mean?
It's a big pool.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of places to go, you know?
We've been having this discussion lately.
How many comics do you think there are in this country?
Like working, professional comedians who actually, that's what they do.
tom papa
It's their only gig.
joe rogan
Or if it's not their only gig, they're like real headliners.
Like they may have a TV show or something like that, but they're a legit...
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Or, you know, a middle act.
They make their living off comedy.
tom papa
Yeah.
I'm going to say...
joe rogan
A real pro.
tom papa
A real pro.
joe rogan
Thousand?
tom papa
I'm going to go a little higher.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Good for you.
tom papa
There's a lot of gigs out there.
I'm really bad at math.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
How many is a thousand?
tom papa
I'm kidding.
joe rogan
Cut my fingers out.
tom papa
Yeah, because think about every single night.
There's gigs happening everywhere.
Every stupid town.
There's some bar, some corporate gig, some theater show, some something going on.
brian redban
Yeah, but a lot of those I wouldn't even think are real comics.
They're just like the best that that city has, you know?
They're not really like touring.
Like that same comic's probably not going to like Indiana next week and then like...
You know, Florida the week after.
joe rogan
That does happen.
But they are pro-comics.
We always talk about Boston having all those local professional comedians that never left that were undeniably pros.
I still think it's maybe a thousand.
That's a lot.
tom papa
That's a lot.
joe rogan
A thousand's a lot.
tom papa
And out of that thousand, okay, let's call it a thousand.
Out of that thousand, how many are good?
joe rogan
Two hundred.
200 are good.
tom papa
200. Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I would say that's about right.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then, you know, you got to add, there's, you know, there's a variability based on taste and subjective thinking.
tom papa
Sure.
But you know, you know when someone's good.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, but what, you know, what I might think is good, I might have a higher standard than some, I mean, I have had people tell me, this guy's really funny, you should see him, and I'd go, blah!
This guy's fucking dog shit, this is terrible, I can't watch this.
tom papa
Yeah.
But then there's other guys you see and you're like, alright, I get it.
It's not for me, but I get that he's turning a lot of people on.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
He's not horrible.
I just don't want to listen to it.
joe rogan
Well, there's some people that are really good performers, and they just fucking doll up something that's really not there.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And they...
Thank you, goodnight!
tom papa
It's called cheap laughs built on fake energy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's something to be learned even from that.
That's one of the things that I always used to say about Carlos Mencia is that I never understood why people were laughing, but it was amazing the energy that he put out.
I never got it.
I would sit there dead-faced going, what the fuck is happening here?
But they were all caught up in this energy and momentum of all this shit that was going on.
I was like, wow, this is crazy.
There are guys that have that sort of like...
Big, loud, fake thing where they don't really give a fuck about what they're talking about.
tom papa
No.
They're closer to politicians than they are comedians.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
They know how to turn on the crowd.
They know how to work it.
unidentified
How about a round of applause for the ladies?
joe rogan
Ladies are working hard out there, gentlemen.
Come on, how about a round of applause for those ladies?
tom papa
How about one for the troops?
Can we get one for the troops?
joe rogan
Oh, God.
That's those, like, really strategic, you know, things that people will say.
tom papa
The worst.
joe rogan
They'll say things where you go, oh, you whore.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You fucking whore.
tom papa
Oh.
The ladies really have it hard.
Am I right, ladies?
Or the worst is that when you're in showcase clubs, you're one of like eight guys that night, and it's like, oh, they're telling me I gotta go.
I gotta go, guys.
They're giving me the like, no, please stay.
They're telling me I gotta go.
They're really politicians.
joe rogan
There's a lot of that, yeah.
tom papa
They're kind of slick.
joe rogan
But you kind of got to be a little bit, right?
You got to kind of get people to like you a little, especially if you want to push forth any really controversial idea.
You got to kind of sneak it in on them somehow.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like what we were talking about earlier.
tom papa
Spoonful of sugar.
joe rogan
What we were talking about earlier where you were saying that because it's so easy to criticize comedians these days and so many people go after people for controversial jokes.
You were talking about all these young guys you're seeing on stage.
Young gals as well are saying jokes, but they're like, before they say it, they have to say, look, you know, I am not racist.
tom papa
Yeah.
Yeah.
I watched five guys in front of me at the improv in L.A. go up, and these are all young guys, and they're all coming up.
They don't really have much credit, but they're working.
They've got spot at the improv.
Anything they came up with, if it was about race or religion or gender, they would apologize before the joke.
And I'm like, holy shit, it's gotten to this level.
Everyone's now scared.
We're in the improv, there's probably 50 people in the audience.
Tops.
You know what I mean?
It's nothing.
If you're not free now, when?
When?
unidentified
What all it takes is one blogger, Tom.
joe rogan
Well, there's this thing at the Comedy Store that they do every Tuesday night called Roast Battle.
Have you ever seen it?
tom papa
I haven't.
I've heard about it.
joe rogan
It's really funny.
It's really fun because they do it in the belly room, which is this tiny little room.
They pack it with people and it's an insult competition.
It's a joke writing competition between two comics and they insult each other and the audience.
And the judges sort of get to decide who wrote the better stuff.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And they go hard at each other.
They fucking go hard.
But somebody wrote an article because someone white dropped an N-bomb during the show.
And they're like, you know, are white people getting the N-word pass at the comedy store?
And they wrote this whole article.
Like, you fucking piece of shit.
Like, you know what they're doing.
tom papa
Exactly.
joe rogan
You know what they're doing.
They weren't, first of all, they weren't calling someone.
It wasn't saying, like, this guy's a nigger.
They weren't doing that.
They were using the word in the context of some sort of a joke.
tom papa
And even if, right.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it was just like the idea that it can't be done.
Like, this is, fuck you.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's comedy.
There are things that are said in comedy.
Like, yeah, in real life, in real speech, when you're talking to people, it's probably not the best thing to say.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's probably a rude thing to say.
tom papa
Sure.
Of course, but as a comedian in a club doing what you're doing, the only way it's going to go away is if you don't fight it, if you don't resist it, which is difficult.
But if they come at you and say, you're racist for saying this, the only comment is, I'm a comedian, and then that's it.
It's end of story.
It's when you fight back and you give them, you take the bait and it fuels it and that's what's been happening.
So now people think, oh, I can get this famous guy to apologize and make news and be a part of it.
joe rogan
Not really fight back, but really like...
Sort of defend it.
I mean, not even defend it.
I mean, fighting back is important, I think.
Or at least stating your mind, speaking your opinion.
But this idea of apologizing for jokes, fuck off, man.
tom papa
Those people, the people who write about it, who are in the audience and taking offense and writing about it, they, to me, are much more offensive than a comedian.
The comedian, his job is to make a joke.
That's his job, is to make...
Light of things.
If you're in the audience and you're calling someone a racist or you're calling someone a misogynist or whatever label, you are much more violent than the clown up on stage.
Much more violent.
joe rogan
More violent?
tom papa
Much more violent.
You're provoking...
joe rogan
Much more offensive.
tom papa
Much more offensive.
Right.
And violence is close to the term because I did a show for our good friend Greg Fitzsimmons.
It was like a fundraiser thing for the school thing.
And I was talking about, I have this joke in my act, where I say I live in LA, it's a horrible school district that we live in, and I either had to pay for school or pay for guns and ammo.
And my kids have no skills, so I pay for school.
And the only rule I have with school, if I'm going to pay for school, is it cannot be predominantly Asian.
Why?
Why would I pay all that money for my kids to be last in everything?
And then I talk about these families, how they're just superior.
Asian families are superior.
They work harder.
They want their kids to win.
They play five different instruments.
My kids play the toilet paper roll on and on.
And this woman yells out from the crowd, get some new material.
In the middle of it.
Everyone else is laughing.
Get some new material.
I said, I'm sorry, what?
She goes, it's racist.
You're a racist.
I've never been called a racist in my life.
And it was like, whoa, it was kind of like being punched in the face.
And I said, I'm sorry, are you not listening?
And the guy next to her goes, we're wondering where you're going with this.
joe rogan
The guy said that too?
Is it her friend?
unidentified
Huh?
joe rogan
Is he with her?
tom papa
He must be with her.
So I just stop and lean on the stool and I said, where am I going with this?
I'm pointing out that Asian families work harder than our traditional American white families.
They work harder and hold their kids to a higher standard and therefore they're excelling more in sports and they're excelling more in schools because of how they're raised and held to these high standards and that they are actually doing better for their families than we are by giving our kids a free pass and making sure that they have a good time.
But of course, this all would have been done through jokes and would have been a much more enjoyable experience for the rest of the audience if you had shut up.
I said, I'm sorry, what part, just so I understand, What race are you?
What part did you...
Are you white?
Are you Asian?
She goes, I'm Mexican.
I said, alright, I can't help you.
You're wrong.
And everybody applauded.
The rest of the place applauded.
But I mean, her calling me a racist?
I'm telling you, Joe, I was...
I went up and did a Neil Brennan show after that in Santa Monica, and then drove home to my place in the valley after that.
And I was buzzing the whole time.
Like, by the time I got in, I was...
joe rogan
Angry.
tom papa
Angry!
And kind of hurt.
joe rogan
Well, you ran into a moron.
tom papa
I ran into a moron, but just that term of having someone say racist.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of people that are recreationally offended.
They're looking to be offended, whether it makes sense or not.
You know, it's like saying black guys have bigger dicks.
Racist!
How's it racist to be awesome?
How's it racist to be better?
How's it racist to be better at math?
You say the Asians are better at school.
How is it racist?
It's racist to mock their eyes or to say they're inferior race.
That's racist.
It's not racist to compliment a race.
It's the opposite of racist.
I know.
You're sort of racist against your own kids.
tom papa
There was so much fun in a time when you could just talk about each other and enjoy it.
Like, really be like, you know, you'd be like, we were Italian and my friends were Irish and everybody had their things and you were celebrating it.
You were celebrating that stuff.
My parents' generation really celebrated it, you know?
Now you can't even say what they are without it being perceived as awful.
joe rogan
I heard this Mexican lady yell at me once.
I had this joke about the UFO that supposedly crashed in Roswell, New Mexico.
In 1947, the cover of the Roswell Times, or whatever the newspaper was, I actually have it framed in my house, the cover of this newspaper.
It said, you know, there was a headline that was like, flying disc recovered.
Like, a flying saucer.
I mean, they wrote about it in the paper.
They had these statements from military people that they had found a crashed UFO. And then the next day, they came out and said, sorry.
The joke was...
They said they had a crashed UFO and alien bodies.
And then the next day they came out and they printed in the paper, or they came out and had a press release that said, I don't remember how this joke goes, it was a long time ago.
They said, no, sorry, it was just a weather balloon.
And I said, well, what about the aliens?
Those are Mexicans.
Apparently, they were on the balloon.
They thought it was a piñata.
They had been drinking.
Some shenanigans took place.
And this lady was yelling at me, hey!
I go, what did I say?
And she goes, because I said the word Mexican?
I go, like, alien, like another country.
Get it?
Aliens from another country.
Illegal aliens.
That's what they're called.
It's not negative towards Mexicans.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
unidentified
But she was like, you shouldn't be fucking making fun of Mexicans!
joe rogan
And I was like, well, why not?
Like, what are you saying?
Like, what did I say bad?
Just fucking talking shit!
Like, oh, okay.
You shouldn't be...
You're too dumb to be here.
They should've made you fill out a form before you walked through the door, you fucking dope.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
If they were to describe what was happening in this club, it was a series of people getting on stage and talking shit.
That is the whole...
joe rogan
So we went into this whole back and forth thing.
Does this make sense?
craig jones
Do Mexicans drink?
joe rogan
Yes, they do.
Right?
A lot of people drink that are Mexicans.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I drink too.
Do Mexicans have a history, a long history of the piñata?
Yes, they do.
They do.
They beat those fucking things.
Candy comes out.
It's well documented.
tom papa
They love them.
unidentified
You're just talking shit about Mexicans!
Why you talking shit?
joe rogan
It was hilarious.
tom papa
Do you think it's going to swing back?
joe rogan
Yeah, I hope so.
tom papa
Don Rickles Jr. is going to show up?
joe rogan
I just think people are just getting smarter overall.
I think there's...
Always going to be...
There's no doubt about it, that there are people that their mind does not work as well.
It's like there's kids that are fucking two and they got big glasses.
What is that?
Their eyes don't work so fucking good.
Some people are born deaf.
I have a friend who was born deaf.
There's just...
There's a reality of the world.
Some people's minds are just not that good.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
There's no doubt about it.
tom papa
No.
It's physical...
joe rogan
It's reality.
tom papa
Chemical makeup.
joe rogan
Some people have big noses.
Some people have big dicks.
Some people have fucking shitty brains.
Why you shitting on Mexicans?
unidentified
Here you go again, I say.
joe rogan
There's no way around it, man.
You're always going to get dumb people.
I do this joke.
And I make fun of Italians, which I am.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Three quarters Italian.
And I had this guy yelling at me, don't fucking be shitting on Italians.
I'm like, I'm shitting on my own people.
Fuck you.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, what are you talking about?
Am I talking about you?
Yes, I am.
You know why?
unidentified
Because you're doing exactly what I was saying in my act.
tom papa
Right.
unidentified
You're yelling out, yeah, fucking Italians, what are you doing over here?
joe rogan
It's just that those are real people.
It's not all Italians.
Goddamn, there's millions of them.
tom papa
Yeah.
But this whole thing, like there are intelligent people, though, that kind of provoke this, don't you think?
Like there's people writing editorials and educated people who want to control human behavior by semantics, by kind of, they're going to set up their own rules and you're going to have to abide by them.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of people that are unhappy and they have a green light to start talking shit.
And there's also people that are bloggers that are looking for a subject that they can legitimately find a reason to attack.
And they might not, if they weren't bloggers, they might not have even focused on it.
But because of the fact that it's a subject, it's like, do I really give a fuck about Kim Kardashian?
No, I do not.
I really don't care.
But if I'm looking for a joke and she does something stupid, I'm like, all right, bitch.
And I sit down in front of the computer and I concoct a bit.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, it is life.
tom papa
Right.
It's a culture.
joe rogan
I mean, you can't fault them in some ways because it is what they do, but there's a really asinine viewpoint when you're looking at jokes and you're trying to pretend that this person is in court giving an affidavit and these are their actual thoughts on these subjects.
Right.
Yeah.
tom papa
There's got to be.
And I think that's just the responsibility of the comedians at the end of the day.
You've just got to stick to it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, do you remember when Patrice O'Neal, he was on this, I think it was a Fox News show, and it was back when Opie and Anthony got fired, or they got suspended, I guess.
And he said, and it was a really important point, he said, jokes that you are offended by and jokes that you love all come from the same place.
Someone's just trying to be funny.
You don't understand that because you don't understand funny.
They're just trying to make you laugh, and some of them hit and some of them miss.
And that's just the way it goes.
tom papa
And that's the scary part is that you're in a club trying to make it hit.
And as you're working out material, you'll say stuff just, you're working, it's going to take six months before this joke is even ready.
And people are taping you two weeks in when it's ugly and you don't really know what you're saying.
You're blurting stuff out.
That's dangerous.
joe rogan
Well, you know, Chris Rock has that world-famous joke, one of his best jokes ever, that I love black people, but I hate niggers.
Right.
Huge.
Well, apparently, Louis told me that that bit took a year to work.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And it used to bomb.
unidentified
I believe that.
joe rogan
It just wasn't working.
And if someone had been in the audience YouTubing that in the beginning when it was eating dick on stage, he would have looked like an asshole.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
tom papa
Yeah, and tell people, no, just stick with me.
It's going to be funny at one point.
joe rogan
Blog about it.
And not only that, but then the joke gets released, it gets online, which is really kind of a violation of what a comic is doing by working out a set.
If you see someone at the cellar, if you see someone at the comedy store at the improv, Most of the time, most of the time, you see a comedian like you or like me, we're working out stuff.
That's what we're doing.
This is our gym.
It's our workshop.
It's how these things...
When you see it on Comedy Central or if you see it in a headline club, you see it at the Irvine Improv on a weekend, then you're seeing essentially a finished product.
But all that other stuff is like, that's how bits get worked on.
We need an audience.
And I've done a lot of them that don't fucking work.
tom papa
Oh, man.
joe rogan
And then one day they do.
tom papa
Haven't you just...
I've been on stage doing this stupid set in town, and you just say something completely just comes out of you, like, that retard.
You know what I mean?
I said something horrible about my wife's tits or something.
It just kind of blurted it out.
It's like, I don't think that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Just trying to be funny.
unidentified
I'm just saying.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
You're spitballing.
And people will get angry at you about the contents of your imagination.
It's like, you don't understand.
This is a performance.
This is not me as a human being giving you my well-thought-out and clearly analyzed views on life.
tom papa
Right.
And look, if you're a writer, any great writer, the greatest of the greats, take Updike, whoever...
When you read their stuff, you're not reading a first draft.
unidentified
No.
tom papa
You're reading the 50th draft of them going to work on this thing.
And a comedian is showing you his first draft.
joe rogan
Every time.
tom papa
Every time.
He's up there until you go see those big shows.
joe rogan
Ari Shafir has this quote that he has taped above his keyboard from Hemingway.
It says, the first draft of everything is shit.
tom papa
It's great.
It's so true.
It means everything.
It means everything.
joe rogan
Artie Lang got in trouble recently.
I don't know if you've been paying attention.
Were you paying attention to that?
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
I saw him right after.
joe rogan
He had this joke that he did on stage at the Cellar where he said that all this Ferguson stuff is really starting to fuck with my personal life.
And he said, no, all these protests are really starting to fuck with my personal life.
He goes, the other day I'm having sex with this black chick.
And she goes, I can't breathe.
And he goes, hey, let's not bring politics into the bedroom.
It's a fucking funny joke, man, but it was too soon, and some woman got up and yelled out, that shit ain't funny, and she started tweeting about it, and I went to her Twitter page and just fucking followed it like a hawk, because I thought it was fascinating, and she was getting all these people that were, you know, social justice warrior activists that were going to protest at the We're going to show up at his clubs.
tom papa
We're going to follow him around.
joe rogan
Yeah, hilarious.
tom papa
Oh my god.
I was with him at the cellar.
We were sitting at the table upstairs.
What did he say about it?
It was before that.
He was talking about the ESPN one.
joe rogan
Oh, that was another one he did?
tom papa
Yeah, about that one.
joe rogan
Which we've read online or read on air.
It was hilarious!
tom papa
And then he's going on about that.
And then two days later, the other one hit.
And then I was just like looking.
I thought I was looking up the ESPN one.
I was so confused.
I'm like, wait, this is a different...
joe rogan
This is a totally new one.
tom papa
But it was so great that he didn't stop.
He just put it out.
He just kept going.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, he's doing it.
I mean, that's what he's doing.
tom papa
I mean, Tosh...
That's what he does.
I'm good buddies with Daniel Tosh.
And he...
He does a lot of stuff on his show that people would be like, that's racist, or you're talking about black people just because he's...
And black audiences love him.
Black comedians love him.
And then other people come up, Mexicans and stuff, like, why don't you ever mess with us?
They want because they know it's a joke and it's fun to laugh at yourself.
joe rogan
And it's his style.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's once people sort of accept that that's your style.
You're an insult comedian.
tom papa
Right.
And you know the guy's heart.
You know that he's not a bad guy.
joe rogan
Sort of like what people want Jeff Ross to roast them.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
If you ask Jeff Ross to roast, you're asking him to start insulting you.
tom papa
Of course.
joe rogan
That's what he does.
Everybody knows that's what he does.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
I worked with Rickles this summer.
unidentified
Ooh.
tom papa
So great.
joe rogan
Where'd you work with him?
tom papa
I went to Montreal.
He was doing one of the big gala shows.
He was doing two nights.
joe rogan
So he is doing stand-up?
tom papa
He's doing stand-up.
Wow.
joe rogan
How much time did he do?
tom papa
He did about, probably like 45. Whoa!
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Whoa!
What was that like?
tom papa
And then he threw a couple songs in and stuff like that.
joe rogan
He sings?
tom papa
It was the greatest.
Yeah, he sings a song at the end.
joe rogan
What does he sing about?
tom papa
It's like this one.
It's not thanks for the memories, but it's something like that.
A little heartfelt in a thing.
joe rogan
Oh, to try to warm you up after you shit in your mouth for an hour?
tom papa
Exactly.
We all love each other.
I didn't get to meet Dangerfield and I miss Carlin.
And I was like, I just want to work with Rickles at some point.
And then it came up that I could work with him in Montreal.
And I was supposed to go on vacation with my family.
And I literally sent my wife and kids.
I'm like, I'm going to meet up.
I'm going to be three days late to our family vacation.
So I'm going to go work with Rickles.
I had to.
joe rogan
Yeah, as a comic, that's an opportunity.
It's really hard to pass.
tom papa
So I went up and worked with him, and it was so great to see.
I mean, his references are so...
It's like, look at the Puerto Rican guy who's gonna come at me with a switchblade.
People are like, switchblades?
What are you talking about?
What is a switchblade?
People are already befriended by Puerto Rican.
They're like, what is a switchblade?
joe rogan
A switchblade?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, Puerto Rican is like, it used to be almost like a negative term, but it's not anymore.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, it's like you can't call someone a Puerto Rican anymore.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's like calling someone French.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What are you, from France?
What does that mean?
Are you from England?
unidentified
Huh?
joe rogan
I don't get it.
tom papa
But his thing was, he was so, he has such a history of it.
Everybody knows this is what he does, and he just comes out and does this kind of thing.
joe rogan
So was he working the crowd the entire time?
tom papa
Yeah, it was kind of a mix.
Like, he brought people up.
He definitely, I think...
joe rogan
He brought people on stage with him?
tom papa
He brought a couple people, two guys on stage.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
He's not walking very well.
joe rogan
He doesn't walk very well?
tom papa
No.
unidentified
Bad hips or something?
tom papa
Something's happened to his knee or something.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah?
tom papa
And they have all these showgirls go up on stage, and they do this big dance in the beginning of the show, and they do the feather thing.
They all stand there with the feathers like a big scrim, and then they wheel him out and put him up on a stool, and then they all part.
And there's Don Rickles.
He just appeared.
So you don't have to see him walking.
And then he, you know, look at the black guy over there.
Look at the Jew over there.
And he's doing Hitler and all this crazy stuff.
It was great.
But he's just, you know, you know the guy so well.
You just know who he is.
So you know it's not coming from hate.
It's just this playful kind of guy.
And it was like...
I hope that there's somebody that's going to be like that for our generation.
There should be somebody there.
joe rogan
I think so.
I think like what you were saying about Tosh and what we were saying about Jeff Ross, like once you know what they do, you just have to know what they do.
And you know, there's going to be people that complain, but it doesn't matter.
They get ignored.
They get marginalized.
And you're allowed to not like somebody, man.
There's plenty of people that don't like all sorts of folks that I enjoy.
tom papa
My whole objective those two days was I just want to be shit on by him.
I was just lobbing stuff in.
I'm like, Don, we're working together two nights, so after that we're going to know each other pretty well.
You think when we get back to LA we're going to hang out?
Don't push it.
joe rogan
Just waiting for him, right?
tom papa
Just totally.
Then I'm like, Don, are you going to watch my act tonight?
I'd really appreciate it if you watch my act.
I'm a little busy.
And then after the show, I go back to his dressing room.
What the cool thing was, you would love it, he just, it's like old school show business just walked into the building.
It's like, you know, you've been in Montreal, this kind of thing.
Everyone's doing shows all week.
When it was his time for the show, guys in tuxedos are walking around, security guys are hanging out, old school guys with like, you know, Gel in their hair.
Show business is happening.
The halls are cleared.
There's music, classy music playing.
It's like, no, we're doing a show.
We're not walking in and just getting up on...
No, this is a show.
So great.
So at the end, I go to his dressing room.
He's in his dressing room in a silver silk robe.
These little slippers.
He wears slippers after the show?
These little slippers with little gold stuff on the toes.
And he's got all the makings for a martini.
He's got the ice.
He's got the olives.
He's got the glass, the shaker.
But he just shoves it all in his glass.
He just puts it all.
It doesn't even shake.
He just puts ice, olives, and vodka.
And he's sitting there drinking it.
And I go back to see him.
He's like, Tom, come here.
He holds my hand.
He doesn't let go of my hand.
It's just the greatest.
He's like, Tom, I watched your show tonight.
I watched the whole thing.
Oh, thank you, Don.
Thank you.
Have you considered a career in grocery delivery?
unidentified
No.
tom papa
You go around.
You deliver food.
You make people happy.
Throw in a joke once in a while to keep yourself from killing yourself.
I'm like, this is better than the whole vacation I'm about to go on with my family.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
So much better.
joe rogan
Did you put pictures?
Did you take pictures?
tom papa
Yeah, I got a couple shots.
joe rogan
That's huge.
tom papa
Oh, it's just the best.
joe rogan
That's huge.
tom papa
The best.
This guy's been at it forever.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I never met him.
I would love to meet that guy.
tom papa
That's a good one.
joe rogan
I never got a chance to meet Dangerfield, but I stood next to him a couple times.
tom papa
You did?
joe rogan
Yeah, he was doing some sets at the Laugh Factory before he died.
He performed up until just a few years before he passed.
In the 90s, somewhere around the mid to late 90s, he was doing sets occasionally.
He would drop in at the Laugh Factory.
I was really fortunate to be there a couple times when he did.
tom papa
Did he live out here?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I bet he probably lived a couple places.
He was pretty wealthy.
tom papa
Why didn't you meet him, though?
You were standing next to him.
joe rogan
I was young and stupid, and I wasn't good enough.
I didn't feel like I was good enough to introduce myself to him.
unidentified
Totally get that.
joe rogan
I was next to Hicks once when I was an open-miker.
I just didn't feel like I could introduce myself to him.
I just wasn't good enough.
tom papa
Is it crazy to think there's some kid standing next to you now like, I just can't?
I just can't?
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're that kid, say hi.
Especially if you're a comic.
I'll talk to you.
But there was a couple moments where I saw Hicks live one, two, three, three or four times.
Probably three or four times.
At least three times in Boston.
When I was a raw open-miker.
I had been doing comedy maybe six months.
And I got a chance to see Hicks a bunch of times during that time.
It was awesome.
tom papa
How good was he?
joe rogan
He was amazing, man.
It was like the late 80s.
He was probably...
In his prime.
Because I think he died in, I want to say like 93 or 94 he died.
Yeah.
So I saw him when he was hopping.
I mean, it was just, he was on fire.
tom papa
Man.
joe rogan
He was so good.
tom papa
I remember seeing him in, I never saw him live, I saw him in Caroline's Comedy Hour.
joe rogan
Oh.
tom papa
And just seeing how, he was just like, you know, at the edge of the stage, cigarette in his hand.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Just like in some guy's face, like.
joe rogan
Mm-hmm.
tom papa
I was like, what the hell?
joe rogan
It's been interesting to see how he evolved and grew because he was still young.
He was like 32 or something like that when he died.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He would have gotten a lot better.
tom papa
Dying makes you seem so much older.
joe rogan
Well, it makes you seem so much more legendary too.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the other thing.
When someone dies, everything that they did becomes so much more important than if they had stayed alive.
tom papa
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Like if Elvis was still alive today.
tom papa
Right.
You'd be like, oh...
joe rogan
Yeah, you know.
tom papa
You should just wrap it up.
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
I mean, like, John Lennon is so much more valued by most people than Paul McCartney.
tom papa
Yeah, because Paul's showing up at award shows.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's like, hi, I'm still alive.
tom papa
Yeah, we get it.
joe rogan
When you're dead, we're gonna fucking love you, dude.
tom papa
Completely.
joe rogan
I saw Dangerfield when I was working, actually, before I was ever a comic.
I got a chance to see.
I worked at a concert place.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
And I was backstage, because I was a security guard, and I was working in this backstage area where I got to see Dangerfield walking around behind the stage with his bathrobe on and his slippers.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
That's what he was performing.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
He would perform in a bathrobe.
tom papa
In the bathrobe?
He'd go on stage?
joe rogan
Totally naked.
Just throw a bathrobe on and just go on.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yep, yep.
He went through a period of time.
tom papa
I've never heard of that.
joe rogan
That's how he was performing.
tom papa
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, when I saw him at the Laugh Factory, he was fully dressed.
But he was doing this place called Great Woods.
It's a concert place in Mansfield, Massachusetts.
And this was like the height of his popularity.
This was like back to school.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Like during those days.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah, huge.
joe rogan
Because this was like...
The 80s.
I want to say like 86 or something before I did comedy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I was probably 19 so it must have been about 86. Right.
And he was just walking around with a bathrobe on.
He would shuffle on stage with slippers.
I got no respect.
No respect at all.
My wife, I'll tell ya.
tom papa
Carrying a drink?
joe rogan
I don't remember if he was carrying a drink.
I just remember, look at this bad motherfucker wearing a bathrobe.
tom papa
That's crazy.
joe rogan
And everybody wanted to talk about the fact that he had nothing on under the bathrobe.
unidentified
Nothing on.
joe rogan
Under the bathrobe, he's totally naked.
I saw his balls.
Like he would just walk around.
Is that him?
brian redban
Yeah, there's a lot of photos of him where you could actually see his dick because he's just sitting weird and his dick's hanging out.
unidentified
Yeah, he gave zero fucks.
tom papa
That's like, you know, it's so weird to bring up his name because the context is weird now, but Cosby went through He would just come out in sweatpants and a thing with socks.
Just socks.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
Yeah, just come out with Birkenstocks and take them off.
joe rogan
Well, he goes on stage now with a sweatshirt on that says, Hello, Friends.
Or Hello, Friend.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
That's what he wears when he goes on stage now.
He's got this sweatshirt on that says, Hello, Friend.
Yeah.
tom papa
I guess you just do it so long, you're just like...
joe rogan
I guess.
tom papa
Right?
joe rogan
I mean the balls of that guy to still do shows while all this is going down.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Do you think it goes online?
tom papa
No.
No.
I think he had people that, right?
Because remember when they put up that meme, they were like, that blew up in his face?
joe rogan
See, I have my own theories about that meme, man.
I think that somebody who works for him knew what the fuck was going to happen.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's my feeling, 100%.
tom papa
And they just did it to get him?
joe rogan
Yeah, I think that anybody who works in tech, anybody who designs websites, you're savvy.
You're internet savvy.
And if you're one of those internet savvy people, you know what the fuck is going to happen.
If you say, meme me, and you take a picture of him with a hat on, you know, just let the rape jokes fly, you know?
brian redban
Do you believe in any of this stuff like the Illuminati?
unidentified
There it is.
joe rogan
Hello, friend.
brian redban
Hollywood Illuminati.
Like, my Uber driver was completely...
He thought for sure that, like, oh, no, Hollywood wants him out now.
Like, he did something, he pissed somebody off, and they're going after him.
And he had, like, this whole theory, and I'm like, that's, you know, it might be true.
tom papa
He wasn't powerful enough at the...
You know what I mean?
Like, make him go away what?
joe rogan
The key is...
Key to that sentence is my Uber driver.
brian redban
Uber driver.
Right.
joe rogan
A guy who's not making the best fucking decisions is picking up random strangers based on an app.
Get in my car, man.
Let me tell you what I think about Hollywood and the elite.
tom papa
And what do you do in that situation?
You just kind of agree with him to make the conversation go?
unidentified
Suck his dick.
joe rogan
Get a free ride.
That's what you do.
brian redban
Yeah, he just had this whole theory and he connected with other celebrities where he thinks Hollywood's just done with him so they throw him under the bus.
He said Charlie Sheen.
joe rogan
Oh, come on!
brian redban
He's an idiot!
joe rogan
Charlie Sheen was on TV talking about smoking rocks and then from then he went to get a deal with FX that netted him somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 million dollars.
tom papa
An instant syndication deal.
joe rogan
He made some insane amount of money.
They really got him.
How much did he make off that FX thing?
It was some insane amount of money.
tom papa
It was instant syndication.
It was 100 episodes.
joe rogan
More than $100 million he made off of that stupid FX thing.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it's a terrible show.
That anger management is a goddamn...
tom papa
No one even knows it's on.
joe rogan
...slapped together by monkeys with head injuries.
It's awful.
I mean, it's so bad.
You watch the punchlines.
You're like, what?
$200 million Charlie Sheen experiment.
Yeah.
Come on.
Well, they were riding on the waves of him leaving Two and a Half Men.
Look, Two and a Half Men, some fucking executives that want to be seen.
unidentified
Look at me.
joe rogan
I'm a big shot.
I'm here with Charlie.
We're going to do blow and get hookers, right, Charlie?
tom papa
What are we going to make?
How about a fortune?
joe rogan
Meanwhile, you guys fucked up the TV business, you dumbasses.
They tried to do that deal with a bunch of other shows.
They tried to do it with George Lopez, and it fizzled out.
What they did is, if you get past a certain amount of episodes, they automatically pick it up for 100. Right, they set it at 10. Yeah, if you get past 10, they automatically pick it up for the back 90, which is insane.
tom papa
Insane.
joe rogan
But some dummy agreed to that based on the hype behind Charlie Sheen and the fact that he was doing live shows with no material.
tom papa
Right, I forgot about the live shows.
joe rogan
Oh, how could you?
Kirk Fox was on one of them.
tom papa
Was he?
joe rogan
Oh my god, that poor bastard.
They had, but then our boy Russell saved it.
Russell Peters started doing shows with him and saved it because Russell's an awesome comedian and started interviewing Charlie and being funny while he was interviewing him.
So Russell would crack some jokes, ask some questions, crack some more jokes, and everybody was entertained by it.
And then Charlie could tell his crazy hooker stories in the context of like a showbiz set.
tom papa
Yeah, you're doing panels.
joe rogan
Yeah, Russell knows how to do theater.
He knows how to entertain these people.
He's acutely aware that all these folks are watching, whereas Charlie was just like, I'm just going to go out there and be Charlie Sheen.
They're like, boo!
Give us our money.
He's like, I already got your money.
tom papa
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
Remember that?
tom papa
I forgot about that.
joe rogan
Oh, those were awful.
tom papa
You already have your money.
joe rogan
Those sets were devastating.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, and he was in a panic after that, and that's when they brought in comics and started bringing comics on the road with him.
tom papa
God.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that was riding the wave of that.
They did this anger management thing.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And, you know, the first couple episodes probably weren't so bad.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's fucking terrible.
tom papa
Right.
Yeah, so take that, Illuminati.
joe rogan
But they're writing 100 episodes.
And it's not even their fault.
They're writing 100 episodes.
tom papa
They're shooting two a week.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So how much time do they put into these fucking jokes?
tom papa
Right.
You can't.
joe rogan
Almost none.
Almost no time.
tom papa
There's hardly any time if you do one a week.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fucking hard.
Making a sitcom is fucking hard.
I've done it.
I did it for five years.
It is not easy.
It becomes easier once things get gelling.
But even then, man, writers fucking hit blocks.
They don't know what...
I mean, there was days, like, we were in news radio, like, season four.
There was days where the script just didn't fucking work.
Right.
These writers had busted their ass and banged against the keyboards and they just couldn't find a way to make this scene work.
They've abandoned whole scenes and put in new ones and rewrite things the next day.
tom papa
Were you involved in writing at all at that point?
joe rogan
Not writing, but I wrote a lot of the jokes that I said on the show.
unidentified
You did?
joe rogan
Ad-libbed them.
See, what we do is, on set, the way it worked with news radio, Paul Sims, who's the creator of it, was a genius.
He's a really, really smart guy.
But also, he had a really healthy ego.
It didn't have to be his words that were read properly.
So he would write things and then Dave Foley was really like an uncredited producer of that show.
Because Dave rewrote entire scenes.
He rewrote jokes, wrote jokes for me and for Vicki Lewis and for Andy, for everybody.
He rewrote stuff and then would present this new version of it.
And Dave was like really respectful.
He's like, we have this idea.
Would you like to see it?
And Paul was like, yeah, let's see what you got.
And then Paul would be like, I like yours better.
Let's go with that.
That's great.
And so, like, literally 40% of that show, maybe even more, was ad-libbed on the set by either Foley or Andy ad-libbed a lot of stuff.
I ad-libbed a lot of stuff.
We wrote for each other.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like, sometimes, you know, you'd see Andy doing something, and I would go, why don't you say this?
And he'd be like...
Oh, yes!
Or Vicky or whoever.
It's like that sort of environment where you can all contribute.
It just makes a better show.
But it's not always that you get a cast that can do that.
tom papa
And think about that.
Just those names that you're using.
Just those great...
Everyone's a killer.
And that's how difficult it is to just pull up a show.
You just have all those killer, all that talent.
joe rogan
Phil Hartman, Steven Root.
Steven Root was one of the few that didn't...
He didn't ad-lib anything.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Steven Root would get the script and he was a character.
If you talk to him or you see him on news radio, you assume that he's that guy.
He's nothing like that guy.
tom papa
Oh no.
joe rogan
He's the sweetest guy ever.
He's so nice and normal when you meet him.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he'd had this Jimmy James character was a character that he developed.
Him and Phil Hartman were the ones who were like characters.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
They had developed a character.
tom papa
Now imagine doing two of those a week.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's impossible.
I don't know how the fuck anybody would do it.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Not only that, but doing two of them a week without Dave Foley and without Paul Sims.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
I mean, maybe the people that are writing that show are good.
I don't know.
tom papa
I don't know.
joe rogan
But also, there's no fucking incentive when you got 90 episodes picked up.
It's like, let's just fucking...
Just mail this in.
tom papa
Just go.
We're stuck here.
unidentified
You've got the gig already.
joe rogan
The gig's not going to go away.
It's hard to pull those things off the air.
tom papa
Yeah.
Oh man, that is rough.
I don't get it.
Illuminati.
I don't think the Illuminati is that organized.
brian redban
I don't even know what the Illuminati is.
I just consider it like Hollywood is what this Uber driver was talking about.
The big Hollywood execs.
joe rogan
Yeah, but people always want to think that when it doesn't work out for them.
That's the thing about Hollywood.
tom papa
100%.
joe rogan
They all want to think that there's some sort of grand conspiracy.
tom papa
100%.
I think that whenever you talk to...
I'm around comedians all the time, so...
Depending on who you're talking to, they'll say, well, they're not looking for white guys.
And then you talk to your other buddy, he's like, they're not looking for black guys, because he's black.
Well, they're not both Asians.
There's only one Asian who can get that.
Everybody, whatever you are, you think they don't want.
joe rogan
But if you can create something, and that something is popular, and that something is sellable, and then people are buying it, and everybody loves it.
One of the beautiful things about being a comic is that you can prove it on your own.
If you develop a following and you go on stage and you start killing it on the road and everybody wants to come see you, they want to do a show with Tom Papa.
They're like, Tom, what are we going to do?
How do we get a piece of this money, Tom?
Come on, Tom!
They're trying to figure out how to profit off of what you're doing.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
This idea that there's some sort of a grand conspiracy.
What you're selling sucks.
That's what you're selling is nothing.
tom papa
Yeah, right, exactly.
No one's interested.
joe rogan
That's the conspiracy.
People are conspiring to only put things that they like on TV. Sorry.
tom papa
Sorry you don't fit into that plan.
unidentified
No, Bill Cosby is a part of a grand conspiracy.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
They hypnotized all these different women and they got them to say the exact same thing.
brian redban
And Randy Quaid.
Did you see that video of Randy Quaid?
joe rogan
Oh, he's crazy as fuck?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Randy Quaid's crazy as fuck?
What happened?
brian redban
He released a new video today where he...
joe rogan
A new one today?
unidentified
Really?
brian redban
I don't know if it's the same one.
joe rogan
The one with a crazy white beard?
brian redban
And he puts a mask on.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was a couple days ago.
brian redban
And then he fucks his girlfriend.
tom papa
What?
joe rogan
Simulates that he's fucking around.
brian redban
Bad acting.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He's gone nuts.
tom papa
He went crazy.
joe rogan
Well, he went crazy a couple years ago.
He owed a lot of money, and there was like a house that he was living in.
They kicked him out of it.
tom papa
He was running from hotels.
He went to the San Ysidro Ranch.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tom papa
You ever been there?
It's a really expensive place.
joe rogan
I've been there.
Beautiful place.
tom papa
You can crank up a real big bill in a couple days, and he stayed for like six days and then split.
Didn't pay it.
He did that a couple places.
Oh man, it got weird.
joe rogan
You know, when people get old, some people, they have like a tendency for eccentricity.
And then as they get old, that morphs into full-blown crazy.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You know, it's like you got a little bit of a cold, and the next thing you got AIDS. Right.
brian redban
What's really weird is that his girlfriend is...
tom papa
It's out of your control.
brian redban
His wife is on board, though, so it almost seems like maybe they're just drug addicts together instead of being a crazy thing, because the fact that she's not like, my husband's going crazy, they might just be up and meth and stuff.
tom papa
Hard to both get on the same page with that.
joe rogan
That's a good point.
They might be messed up.
tom papa
They're not using their drugs like adults.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, but no, they're actors.
Actors don't do drugs, man.
unidentified
It's just crazy talk.
joe rogan
Charlie Sheen and his conspiracy.
Get the fuck out of here.
The guy's being interviewed on ABC talking about doing rocks.
Smoking rocks.
Remember that?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's how I roll.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
Like, what?
Like, get off.
brian redban
Yeah, I know a couple girls have signed the papers where they're not allowed to talk about the stuff that happened with Charlie Sheen.
joe rogan
Really?
brian redban
Because he makes them sign confidentiality.
joe rogan
And does he give them money or something?
tom papa
Just hanging out with them?
brian redban
Shitloads of money.
Like, the most retarded amounts of money for doing nothing.
tom papa
Like girls just to come hang out at his house?
brian redban
Yeah, let's just say that.
joe rogan
Well, he's a big fan of prostitutes.
And I think when you've got the kind of money that that guy's got, I mean, he's been on several big-time series, a bunch of movies.
He's probably worth close to a billion dollars at this point, right?
So when you've got that, like, putting aside a hundred grand for some little senorita...
tom papa
Right, nothing.
joe rogan
Listen, senorita, we had some strange times.
A lot of people wouldn't understand what went on between you and me and the glass table.
tom papa
They just wouldn't get it.
You and I love it, but they wouldn't understand.
joe rogan
I know you've got a transmission issue and you need to get your tires changed, and I'm willing to do that for you.
Let's just put a little bit of sugar in your bank account.
tom papa
Just sign this.
joe rogan
Just put a little sugar in your bank account.
Yeah.
I ran into this gal once at the comedy store back in the day with her new boyfriend that was one of the Playboy bunnies that lived at the house.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And she was apparently going to write some tell-all, but I don't know if she ever wound up doing it.
tom papa
Uh-huh.
joe rogan
You know, those stories where people have that sort of a situation where, you know, you're getting paid by some guy and there's like some money being exchanged.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Semi-prostitutional type situation.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's like...
It does get weird.
You know, you're dealing with some uber-wealthy cat.
tom papa
Oh, man.
joe rogan
You know, old and fucked up.
unidentified
Right.
tom papa
Like some crazy king.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, he was like...
Hugh Hefner's kind of like a crazy king.
unidentified
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
I mean, he's got like this weird harem of young gals and...
tom papa
Yeah, walking around in his robe.
joe rogan
Another robe guy.
tom papa
Another robe guy.
joe rogan
He's got a smoking jacket, though.
tom papa
We gotta get robes.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know we need robes.
tom papa
We need robes.
joe rogan
We should do a whole show in robes.
tom papa
Are you down?
unidentified
I'm totally down.
joe rogan
That lady's making us those astronaut shirts.
brian redban
I can't wait.
tom papa
What are those?
joe rogan
Do you remember that there was a scientist that got in trouble?
They landed a robot on a comet.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And the guy who was celebrating it, he wore a shirt that his friend designed.
It was his friend who's into like rockabilly, sort of pin-up girl type stuff.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And that picture right there, that was like...
An homage to his friend, because his friend made him that shirt.
And that's what she does.
So he said, I'll wear your shirt on TV. And then all these people got so mad.
tom papa
It was against women.
joe rogan
Scroll up.
Scroll up.
Look at what the actual title is.
I don't care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet.
Your shirt is sexist and ostracizing.
tom papa
Oh, God.
joe rogan
You fucking...
unidentified
Dummies!
brian redban
His shirt is so badass.
joe rogan
Yeah, not only that, it's just sexy women.
I mean, if he was wearing a shirt with a bunch of He-Men Masters of the Universe on it, you know, Tarzan with his long flowing locks swinging from...
Would anybody complain?
tom papa
Right.
Naked Tom Selleck could be on the back.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
If that girl, if the girl interviewing him for whatever reason, if the roles were reversed, if he was the interviewer and she was the scientist and she had a shirt on, like a bowling shirt with a bunch of studly bodybuilder dudes on, it would be funny.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Just have a good time.
Enjoy your lives.
joe rogan
Well, these are just pin-up girls.
They're just girls in swanky sort of...
tom papa
Like he invented that stuff.
joe rogan
Fucking assholes.
tom papa
No one likes to have fun anymore.
It would take something so serious.
Just have a good time.
joe rogan
Who are you that's so upsetting to you?
What's wrong with you?
Just a fucking shirt.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It'll be one thing.
It was a bunch of chicks getting fucking double penetrated.
You know, it was like a bunch of chicks getting just...
You know what airtight is?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I had a friend and his friend was dating a porn star and he was cool with it for a while.
It's like, oh, it's okay.
You know, she brings home girls and all this different jazz.
And, you know, what do you think about?
Oh, it just sucks.
And then one day he got a hold of her contract and the contract said airtight.
It was like in the contract.
And he was like, what's airtight?
She's like, a dick in every hole.
He's like, I'm out.
tom papa
Sit.
joe rogan
Done.
tom papa
It's over.
It's in the contract.
joe rogan
This is not my special lady.
This is not my special lady.
That was the breaking point.
tom papa
I can't explain that one to my mom.
joe rogan
He was just sitting there going, airtight?
And that was it.
tom papa
I'm sorry, what does that mean?
joe rogan
He was cool with her with two guys.
He was cool with her, but three was it.
Three was where he just...
tom papa
I'm out.
joe rogan
Airtight.
tom papa
Brutal.
joe rogan
It's like, that's a sure sign there's too much porn being made.
You gotta plug every hole.
Has it been done?
No.
Plug it up.
Plug it up.
We're innovators.
tom papa
Get that little guy.
We got two ears to fill.
And then there's like a lawyer in an office drafting that contract.
joe rogan
Two midgets squirting lube in your ear and just grabbing the top and the bottom and just...
And then the two midgets are making out.
So they're gay.
They're making out with each other while they skullfuck her ears and another guy's fucking her mouth.
tom papa
Put that on a shirt.
joe rogan
It's probably been done.
We're probably...
unidentified
We're wrong.
joe rogan
It's probably been done.
tom papa
Absolutely.
unidentified
I bet that's been done.
tom papa
I don't think you can think up anything that hasn't.
joe rogan
Probably at this point.
tom papa
Right?
brian redban
It's probably Asian midgets.
joe rogan
What year was the first ass-to-mouth done?
I mean, that had to be in the 2000s, right?
That didn't exist.
If you go back to the glory days of Ginger Lynn and Ron Jeremy and Peter North, there was no ass to mouth.
They didn't have to.
It was just people having sex.
tom papa
Good old-fashioned, good time.
joe rogan
It's like when Don Rickles does a show.
And afterwards, he's got a silver robe on and slippers.
tom papa
That's show business, baby.
unidentified
Show business!
tom papa
We didn't have to do what you do.
joe rogan
We don't have to do ass-to-mouth or airtight or any of those fucking midgets fucking your ear and nonsense.
These are gimmicks!
unidentified
It's what you rely on when you got no talent!
tom papa
It's like Boogie Nights.
unidentified
Yeah, right?
tom papa
I don't do video.
I make film.
joe rogan
I don't do video.
Do they even make films anymore with film?
They don't use film anymore, right?
tom papa
Some do.
joe rogan
Do they?
tom papa
They hardly do for movies.
brian redban
There's some directors that only want to shoot film because they don't believe in the whole digital...
joe rogan
Like Tarantino, right?
brian redban
But he's a wacko.
joe rogan
He's a wild man.
brian redban
I think documentaries, a lot of documentaries maybe still be on film.
joe rogan
There's a lot of photographers that believe in photography, like digital photography, like something's missing.
tom papa
Right.
That nobody else sees.
It's like when people are like, no, you've got to use this gold cable for your sound system.
joe rogan
You know, you can use an Instagram filter to achieve all that, you fuck.
tom papa
For free.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't...
brian redban
It's like a new Star Wars movie.
They're not using, like, CGI this time around, or they're using all, like, old school, like, you know, puppets and, like, how they used to do it.
tom papa
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
tom papa
There is definitely an overload of CGI where you're just like, am I watching a video game at this point?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
The guy who directed my last comedy special and wanted to do it in black and white.
tom papa
Steven Spielberg.
joe rogan
Well, Burr did his in black and white, but I think he actually filmed it.
I don't know, maybe he didn't.
But this was before that, before I even knew Burr was doing his in black and white.
And I go, but it's already in color.
Like, why would we do that?
Like, what?
I go, that's like, why not just draw it?
Take all the frames and draw everything I'm doing.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Just do your best.
tom papa
Just colorize it.
brian redban
Or just have an option to make it black and white by turning it off on your TV. You can make any special black and white if you wanted to.
joe rogan
You can do that, right?
If you fuck with the contrast and the color.
God, it's just so weird.
This desire for the archaic to go back to the old days.
tom papa
Old timey.
joe rogan
Come on, I'm going to put the fucking needle on the...
By the way, that turntable that you got me, it's not working, right?
Do we ever do anything about that?
tom papa
Oh, really?
brian redban
What's wrong with it?
joe rogan
Jamie, get on the ball, son.
tom papa
Yeah, that's the problem.
joe rogan
It wasn't working.
tom papa
I got my daughter a turntable, and it didn't work.
We had to bring it back, then the other thing, and it starts skipping.
It's like, yeah, this is why we stopped using this stuff.
It's kind of shitty.
brian redban
But it's cool, though.
joe rogan
It's undeniable that this sound is a little different.
tom papa
It is different.
joe rogan
That's undeniable.
tom papa
It's comforting.
joe rogan
Well, apparently there's a new Walkman that's expensive as fuck.
It's a new Sony Walkman.
And it's an MP3 recorder that is supposed to have like the most incredible premium sound.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And Sony just released this at the latest video show, the consumer electronics show.
tom papa
Yeah, in Vegas.
joe rogan
In Vegas.
And it's a big gamble because it's like more than a thousand bucks.
brian redban
Are you serious?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Here, I'll pull it up and we'll try this little wacky little thing.
tom papa
Neil Young's book, or read about Neil Young's book.
He has this...
joe rogan
Sony wants you to buy a $1,200 MP3 player.
tom papa
Okay.
joe rogan
What's that sound?
tom papa
Now you're hearing a sound?
joe rogan
Stopped.
tom papa
It was on this cable.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
The cable does that?
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
How ironic, as we're talking about better sound.
brian redban
Hmm.
tom papa
Uh...
joe rogan
Yeah, ironic.
What the fuck?
Yeah.
tom papa
Hmm.
Why?
Because it sounds so great?
joe rogan
It's being offered as the audiophile's choice.
A new focus of the music and...
See, I think that this kind of...
This kind of technology will exist in phones soon.
tom papa
Right, that's the thing.
joe rogan
But to buy it as a handheld outside...
I don't have a fucking thing outside of my phone, okay?
I have a phone.
My phone has 128 fucking gigabytes.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
There's plenty of goddamn songs in this thing, and I'm not buying something else.
brian redban
And if I took a MP3 file that was, say...
Recorded at 128 kilobits per second or whatever, or twice that, and played both of them, I really doubt most of us would even care or hear the difference in it at all.
joe rogan
Well, you know what does matter, though, is really good headphones.
Really good headphones matter.
tom papa
Yeah, my kids can play their phones.
They'll play a song just in that speaker and just leave it.
And they love it.
And it drives me crazy.
I just can't hear that lame quality.
It just drives me nuts.
joe rogan
I have these earbuds from Shure.
tom papa
Oh yeah?
joe rogan
And they have steel braided cables that are covered with plastic.
They're very expensive.
And I was like, alright, let me just, just for a goof, buy these things and see if it makes a difference.
It makes a big fucking difference.
unidentified
It does.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have drivers inside the ears.
They feel weird when they fit in.
tom papa
Hooked into your phone?
joe rogan
Yeah, I plug it into my phone.
It's fucking fantastic.
tom papa
And it like blows away like the regular...
joe rogan
Oh yeah, yeah.
It's quite a bit better.
It's quite a bit better.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
But you know, I don't remember how much it cost.
It was a lot of money though.
But is it like a thousand dollars better?
I don't know.
tom papa
Right.
brian redban
It's interesting, the driver thing, because Beats, when they were still together with Dr. Dre and Beats, you know, they used their own special driver.
A lot of people complained that it was really bassy and too much bass.
Now that they broke up, I just got a new pair, and it's completely different.
It doesn't even seem like the same headphones, even though it's almost exactly the same headphones I used to have.
joe rogan
They look the same, but it doesn't sound the same.
brian redban
Right, and they're Bluetooth now, so you just have these awesome headphones.
You can answer calls on them.
I mean, it's great.
tom papa
I don't understand.
You guys are tech-savvy.
LeBron, he's doing the Beats wireless things that are working out.
So if you're running, though, that means you're...
Like, I run with a shuffle, you know, connected, but that's not Bluetooth.
brian redban
No, you can't do it with a shuffle, but you mean you can...
tom papa
If I'm running through the streets...
joe rogan
An iPod shuffle.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what you're saying?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Those little tiny ones with a clip on, those are dope.
tom papa
Just put them right on your waistband and go.
unidentified
I like those.
tom papa
But you can't use the wireless...
brian redban
Not for that, no.
joe rogan
See, what you need is a fucking phone and a fanny pack.
Everyone's scared of goddamn fanny packs.
It's the way to go.
You slip that sucker right in there, clip it down.
tom papa
And go running?
joe rogan
Do whatever you want to do.
tom papa
You're running with your phone?
joe rogan
Yeah, I run with my phone.
tom papa
That makes me nervous.
joe rogan
I don't really run, though.
For running type stuff, I do everything on a treadmill or on an elliptical.
Not even a treadmill, usually.
Elliptical machine.
tom papa
You're not running through the streets like a maniac.
joe rogan
I do plenty of pounding with my joints hitting things.
I don't like to do extra pounding.
I think I'm already taking chances with my joints from kickboxing.
I don't want to fuck with it with all that other stuff.
tom papa
Yeah.
I just get nervous about running with my phone.
brian redban
They have those cases.
I have one that your phone goes in and it just goes on your arm.
joe rogan
Those are good.
brian redban
And you don't even feel like you have it on there.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
You don't have the Plus, though.
unidentified
You have the 6. Yeah, I went back down to the 6. You have the Plus?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Do you like it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I love it.
tom papa
I got the 6, and I feel like I should have gotten the bigger one.
joe rogan
You know what's better?
The battery life is tremendous.
It's so good.
unidentified
Oh, really?
joe rogan
The battery's good for, like, Couple of days.
It's really good.
You know, like I can listen to music.
I bring it to when I do shows.
I have a Bluetooth hooked up to this little speaker.
I set the speaker up in the green room.
I play music with it, and then I get on stage.
I record all my sets with it, and I can do two shows with that, playing the music, all that, taking pictures.
No problems.
No problems.
tom papa
The battery does go on the 6 when you're listening to a lot of stuff or watching stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, it goes.
I mean, the 6 is essentially the same battery as the 5, the 5S. It's the same battery.
unidentified
It is?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Basically the same battery life, but a larger screen, so it sort of counters.
It might be a slightly larger battery, but a larger screen.
tom papa
I always buy the wrong stuff.
joe rogan
Dude, you could get a new one.
Give it away.
tom papa
Let's give it to someone.
joe rogan
Give it to somebody.
Give it to your kid.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
tom papa
I guess.
joe rogan
First world problems.
tom papa
I always buy things twice.
I never think things through and make the right purchase.
joe rogan
I have a podcast phone for the studio that's a Samsung Galaxy S5. And there's parts of that that I like better than the iPhone.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
It's a little bit smaller.
It's five inches instead of...
tom papa
Is this just because you're friends with Neil Brennan?
joe rogan
It's like 5.5.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I don't want to say anything that gets Neil Brennan in trouble, but he might not always use that phone all the time.
tom papa
I don't know what you're talking about, Joe.
I don't know.
I don't know what you're saying.
joe rogan
What I like about this, the Samsung is this little bad boy right here.
This thing, when it clips in place, the phone, you drop it in the toilet.
It's fucking waterproof.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
They call it water resistant, but the fucking thing can go underwater and be fine.
Whereas if this bitch goes underwater, it's a dead man.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
There's nothing scarier than having a glass of water next to your phone on the counter.
joe rogan
And it's got a heartbeat detector right there.
You put your finger over there and it shows your heartbeat.
tom papa
To see if you're in love?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
It's very important.
It's a mood ring.
Which you can do with apps now.
They have apps where you put your finger over the...
It actually measures...
They have an app on the iPhone where it measures, uses the flash from the camera, and it pulses on your finger and actually measures the heartbeats.
From reading with the camera lens and reading the light on your finger.
That's amazing.
Fucking crazy, right?
tom papa
This is a great world we live in.
joe rogan
What I like about this, though, there's two things that I like about the Samsung.
First, the big one is you can take the fucking battery out and put a new one in.
So if your battery runs dry, bam!
tom papa
Extra in your backpack.
joe rogan
You put a separate battery in and you have a full charge instantly.
Then, also I like, you can add memory.
You can stick a little memory card in there and you get an extra 128 gigs.
tom papa
Yeah, but you don't seem as cool.
unidentified
To who?
joe rogan
Who are you trying to impress Tom Papa?
tom papa
I don't know.
Everybody.
joe rogan
I think...
There's no perfect phone, is what I'm saying.
There's parts of this that I love.
tom papa
Two phone numbers?
joe rogan
Yes.
This is the studio phone.
tom papa
Gotcha.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Gotcha.
joe rogan
But this is...
This is better.
Can I hold that?
Yeah.
This is a better operating system.
The iPhone operating system is clearly better.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And the iPhone camera is a little better, too.
But that's pretty goddamn good.
I mean, the difference between the Galaxy operating system and the iPhone and the camera and the camera in this is so...
tom papa
Pretty close.
joe rogan
You're kind of splitting hairs.
tom papa
Yeah.
Yeah, it feels the same.
joe rogan
Brian disagrees.
brian redban
I disagree.
joe rogan
Have you fucked with the S5? You're all Apple.
brian redban
Have you fucked with the Galaxy S5? No, but I've heard a lot of complaints about the S5, especially with the thumbprint sensor is not really the best.
joe rogan
The thumbprint sensor is dog shit.
tom papa
I do love that about that.
joe rogan
It's great on the iPhone.
Dog shit on that thing.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Like, I'll show you.
Watch.
I have to do it like four times.
Watch this shit.
Watch.
Here we go.
Look, it says, swipe the entire pad.
Why do you have to tell me that?
Okay, I'll swipe it.
Oh, no match, you fucking cunt.
Oh, no match again, you fuckhead.
Let's see it one more time.
No match three times.
It's my thumb.
I only have one of them.
Oh, you fuck!
Five unsuccessful attempts to unlock your device.
Try again in 30 seconds.
tom papa
That's it.
I'm out.
I couldn't go through that.
I really couldn't.
joe rogan
You fucking piece of shit.
tom papa
I really couldn't.
joe rogan
Son of a bitch.
brian redban
You're getting chased down an alley trying to call 911 while you're doing this crap.
The best thing is just go on a road trip.
Have both phones.
Try to use that on the way to somewhere.
Try to use the iPhone on the way back.
You'll know what I'm talking about.
It's just crap.
tom papa
Case closed, counselor.
joe rogan
One second.
Let's see.
One second.
Let's see if I can do it.
Swipe faster, Sammy.
Recognized!
Oh, you recognize me!
Oh, you love me!
You love me!
That's so cute.
tom papa
We like it, Joe.
joe rogan
It's disgusting.
brian redban
Now, did you do both thumbs, though?
joe rogan
What's that?
brian redban
Did you do both thumbs?
Are you using, like, the wrong thumb?
Like, you only did one thumb and not the other thumb, maybe?
joe rogan
No, man.
No.
No.
I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, I use one thumb.
I only use one thumb on this fucking piece of shit.
tom papa
I open my laptop at home, and it...
There's my Wi-Fi, and then there's the printer Wi-Fi.
And it just goes to the printer Wi-Fi.
I open it up, and then I go to...
And it's like, just that.
Having to go and change it from the printer to the thing every time.
joe rogan
Ew.
brian redban
Forget that network.
tom papa
I might move.
joe rogan
You should kill somebody.
tom papa
It's bullshit.
I literally physically am at the table like...
joe rogan
Like in anger.
Yeah.
But I mean, the idea of even having a fingerprint sensor on your phone was so sexy just a little while ago.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
When they came out with that, was this the first one that had the fingerprint sensor with the iPhone or the last one?
The 5. 5S? The 5S, like the upgraded 5 had it.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I love the fingerprint sensor.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Did you know that cops can force you to use the fingerprint sensor, but they can't force you to enter in your code?
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
So if you ever get arrested, delete all of your fingerprints.
brian redban
I have a great tip I just found out that it's really scary, is that turn off this thing.
If you have your phone up, and you go up like that, and you have that quick menu, say you lose your phone, somebody picks it up, they put it in airplane mode so you can't find your phone, they steal your phone, so there's no way for the Find Your Phone app to find you.
So you need to turn off this swipe up menu, because that's what they do.
Like, if you leave a phone in a taxi, the taxi guy goes...
joe rogan
He knows now.
Now he knows, Brian.
tom papa
Yeah, now you're sharing that information with the terrorists.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, Brian.
tom papa
Brian.
joe rogan
That does make sense, though.
They can't use the find your phone.
Because people have gotten their asses kicked from that find your phone.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
When someone stole your phone, you're, ding dong, excuse me, do you have my phone?
I don't know what you're talking about.
Bam, bitch!
I gotta find your phone app, you fuckhead.
They can only find the address.
They can't find what room it's in.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
You have to tear someone's goddamn house apart.
tom papa
Go through the whole hotel.
joe rogan
I mean, how accurate is it?
It's not like one of those James Bond homing devices.
tom papa
How motivated are you for your phone?
joe rogan
What if it's an apartment building in Manhattan?
brian redban
It's pretty accurate, Joe, because on my house, I can see exactly what room I'm in if I look at myself.
joe rogan
What does it show you?
brian redban
It shows me the outline of my house in Google Maps, and then it shows me what room I'm in in my house.
joe rogan
What room your phone is in?
brian redban
Yeah.
Whoa!
If I can't find my phone, I'll go on my laptop and make it play a sound, and I'll find my phone underneath the couch or something like that.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
You can make it play a sound even if it's off, right?
Even if the sound, the ringer's off?
brian redban
Yeah.
unidentified
Really?
brian redban
There's also another app I recommend called Secret, which is another one that I put on all my phones and my laptops and stuff.
And what it is, it's a program that's always running that does the same kind of thing, but you could also turn on your webcam and take photos.
So if somebody stole your laptop, they won't even know that you're just sitting there filming them, getting their GPS, get every single key type that they type in.
joe rogan
Or your girlfriend can put that shit on your phone and catch you beaten off.
tom papa
Oh boy.
It always comes back to bite you.
I did the find your phone.
It's like my friends or something to see where my daughter was.
And it's not that accurate.
It's always like...
joe rogan
It said she was in a black neighborhood and that's just not possible.
tom papa
It can't be, right?
That's just bad technology.
joe rogan
That didn't make any sense.
It made no sense.
tom papa
Tell me you were at school, honey.
Right?
You were at school?
brian redban
It's way more accurate if you're connected to a Wi-Fi network.
If she's not connected to a Wi-Fi network, it has to try to guess where it is.
joe rogan
But it doesn't work on airplane mode, huh?
That's weak.
brian redban
Yeah, they need to change that, or they need to make it so your thumbprint, if it's locked, you can just access that menu.
joe rogan
I love that swiping up thing, though, to use the flashlight.
I use the flashlight all the time.
tom papa
There's no way I'm turning off that up swipe thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, that swipe up thing is pretty dope.
brian redban
I just wonder if you could turn it off, you know, from the lock screen.
Like, if it's on a lock screen.
joe rogan
But I like to use a camera from that.
brian redban
Or just pick a thumb and then use it.
unidentified
Camera.
tom papa
Alarm.
joe rogan
Yes.
All these things.
tom papa
I can't.
I've got to do two steps.
joe rogan
Goddammit.
tom papa
I can't handle that.
joe rogan
I'm very busy.
They take a little back.
These things are constantly improving.
They're constantly innovating and adding to them.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
That sound thing that you see on that Walkman, you'd be a silly person to buy that stupid $1,200 Walkman.
tom papa
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Because that's going to be in your phone soon.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
I know they're working on that.
They're working on improvements.
I read something about digital cell phones working on improvements of sound quality in anticipation of these type of devices.
tom papa
Right.
You know what I want them to do?
Do you use Apple Pay?
Do you wave the phone?
Just wave the phone and it pays?
I want them to fix the toll system at LAX. Can you ever get in the car after a gig or whatever and then you're like...
There's that line, and nobody has the thing, and they can't find the card, and it just takes forever to get out of there.
It's like, you can't tell me there's not going to be an app and a waving of the phones that's going to solve this problem.
We should be out of here immediately.
joe rogan
Do you remember when the FastPass in New York passed through, and you could just drive through?
You didn't have to pay the tolls?
tom papa
Amazing.
joe rogan
People were so excited.
You just had to drive.
The green light went on.
You went right through.
It saved so much fucking time and traffic.
tom papa
It's So much time.
joe rogan
Because traffic in New York on tollbooths used to be insanity.
tom papa
Hell.
joe rogan
You wanted to fucking eat a shotgun.
tom papa
Have you ever rented a car in New York and realized you didn't have the fast pass?
joe rogan
I just drive through anyway.
brian redban
Me too.
joe rogan
Ring that bell, bitch.
brian redban
That was always cool.
Go ahead.
tom papa
I'm not staying in that line.
joe rogan
Fuck you.
Bill me.
brian redban
Joe always did the pimp move.
Like, he would have a rental car and he was like, what?
tom papa
Tope?
brian redban
Man, I'm driving right by.
tom papa
It was so cool.
brian redban
I was like, damn, that's so awesome.
He doesn't give a fuck.
tom papa
That's a man.
joe rogan
You get a bill in the mail, you pay it.
Who is this shit?
I don't even pay my bills.
Somebody else pays them.
I don't give a fuck.
I don't even feel it.
tom papa
You have a business guy?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Gotta get one of those.
tom papa
Is it great?
I just met a guy yesterday.
joe rogan
Well, my guy's a good friend that I've had for a long time.
You want to know the dude.
tom papa
This guy knows he's worked with other good friends.
joe rogan
That helps.
tom papa
But does it make your life that much better?
joe rogan
Oh, most certainly.
unidentified
It does.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, it's for everything, too.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like, if you want to buy a house, if you want to buy a car, if you need...
They take care of your bills.
They take care of everything.
They give you an itemized monthly report every week or every month on your finances.
tom papa
And you don't have to worry anymore.
joe rogan
You don't have to think about anything.
That's great.
There's a lot of time involved in being a human being that takes away from work that you could be doing that actually makes you more money.
So when people say, oh, but you're giving away X amount of percent of your income.
Yeah, but I'm making more money because I'm thinking more and I'm doing more and I don't have to sit in front of my fucking computer paying bills for hours every night.
Writing checks, trying to keep track.
Remember balancing a checkbook?
What the fuck kind of dog shit is that?
brian redban
In your ledger?
tom papa
You know, a little ledger?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
No, I feel so tapped out for time.
I need a staff, and this seems like a good first spot.
joe rogan
Well, you're a comic, and you have a family, too, so there's a lot of stuff.
I have too many things going on.
unidentified
It's too much?
joe rogan
I don't have any time for that.
tom papa
Alright, I'm going to do it.
Joe, I'm broke!
joe rogan
Well, that has happened too.
There have been guys that have been unscrupulous.
I remember there was an issue way back in the day where there was an agent that was stealing money from a bunch of big name clients.
Lenny Clark got hit.
They stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from him and Jerry Seinfeld.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah, there was an agency that was going on that was doing that for people.
I forget.
I'll have to ask Lenny next time I see him.
But it was devastating for a lot of these guys.
They'd lost just hundreds of thousands of dollars.
unidentified
Oh my god.
brian redban
Dan Cook's brother.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
Brutal.
joe rogan
Yeah, that was bad.
tom papa
That was really brutal.
joe rogan
He's in jail.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Imagine your brother is in jail for robbing you and they have never recovered millions of that money.
tom papa
Well, there was a lot that was owed to the IRS, too.
joe rogan
There's a lot owed to the IRS, but there's also missing money.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
His brother stole money from him and went on a drive across the country, and they don't know what the fuck he did when he was driving.
He could have stopped at banks and got security boxes under assumed names.
I mean, I don't know how much is involved in getting a security box at a bank.
tom papa
It's like Shawshank.
It's just buried by a post.
joe rogan
I mean, there might be fucking, you know, coffee cans somewhere under fence posts with a million dollars rolled up in it.
tom papa
I'm gonna find it.
joe rogan
I mean, have you ever seen what a million dollars looks like in a bag of, like, hundred dollar bills?
It's not as much as you would think it is.
unidentified
How big?
tom papa
You've seen it?
joe rogan
It's like a suitcase.
Like a small bag.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
All you have to do is just dig a fucking hole, you throw that shit in there.
tom papa
Oh, brother.
joe rogan
We just gotta be able to triangulate it on a GPS, and oh shit.
That is an awful story.
Imagine you get there and there's an apartment building where the spot was.
Where's the...
tom papa
Where's the...
joe rogan
I just did 20 years of the big house!
The big house...
Where's my bag of money?
tom papa
Oh, that's an awful story.
joe rogan
What's fucked up?
Because it was his brother, too.
tom papa
And he found out after his parents passed, right?
Oh, that's brutal.
joe rogan
Well, he also, I think it was his half-brother, which you should be really careful of, those little fucks.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Half-brothers.
They're not really brothers.
They try to pretend they're your brother.
tom papa
What's the other half?
joe rogan
Where's the other half, you fucker?
But his brother, apparently, you know, Dane was like, you know, I'm going to start investing my money, all those different things.
I talked to this guy, and his brother's like, no, no, no.
Don't do that.
unidentified
Don't do that.
joe rogan
Look, I got this.
I got this.
Don't worry.
I'm taking care of everything.
I'm making plenty of money.
He's like, well, what do you mean I'm making money?
And so he started asking questions.
Well, look, I want to get somebody to just go over the finances.
Oh, no, no, no.
unidentified
I got everything.
joe rogan
Don't worry about it.
Don't worry about it.
He's like, what?
And then he started getting super nervous.
Like, what are you talking about?
And then he started...
To get it investigated.
And when he got investigated, he realized his brother had been just fucking stealing.
Like, they went to his house.
He had hundreds of thousands of dollars in his bank.
Like, he had a safe, rather.
Yeah.
tom papa
After all that success, all that work.
joe rogan
He had money that was in plastic bags that was frozen in tomato sauce.
Like, he had frozen it and put it in the freezer, stuffed it in, like, these plastic bags, and then put it in his freezer.
Like, he was hiding money all over the place.
tom papa
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was dark.
tom papa
That is crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it was his own blood, you know?
He trusted his brother.
He thought...
His brother, he'll never fuck me, but, you know, I guess his brother was like, this fucking guy doesn't need all this money.
The fuck is he?
He's not even that funny.
He fucking stole from him.
tom papa
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's dark.
tom papa
That is really dark.
All right, maybe I'll do my own building.
joe rogan
We got him up, we got him down.
Yeah, it's, I don't know, man.
It's real tricky when you're trying to save money like that and trying to, Yeah.
tom papa
But that's the thing.
I mean, I wouldn't stop being on top of it.
You know what I mean?
Right, right, right.
You kind of monitor that stuff all the time.
joe rogan
You should.
You most certainly should.
tom papa
It's all for the kids.
It's all setting them up.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Right.
Do you have funds and everything?
tom papa
Yeah, so it's all just for the future.
It's not like crazy accounts where someone could mess with me.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know people that don't even have managers.
They just have an agent.
They just do everything through their agent.
They have agents take care of everything.
I'm like, but...
You know, like, well, I'm saving money.
I'm like, yeah, you are, but you have to think about more stuff that way.
tom papa
Right.
That's the...
I know.
That's really...
It sucks up so much of your brain power just to have to go and do that stuff.
joe rogan
Also, I think that if you think too much in the financial sense, like, how much am I making?
How much more can I make?
I can get this out of them.
Well, I'm going to ask for that, and hopefully I'll get, like, less, but, you know, I'll overshoot.
But if you have all that kind of thinking going on in your head...
I think that's contrary to creative thinking.
I think creative thinking is non-selfish, non-aware.
When I think creatively, I'm empty.
When I sit in front of my computer, I'm not thinking about myself at all.
I'm thinking about the idea.
I'm not thinking, hmm, how much money can this idea make me?
tom papa
Right.
Right, exactly.
That's back to the weed thing.
joe rogan
Yes.
tom papa
Because I really started feeling like I'm...
I'm uber responsible, and I'm running this company.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
I'm running this company.
joe rogan
Tom Papa Incorporated.
tom papa
Tom Papa Incorporated, doing the radio show, doing the TV stuff, doing the stand-up stuff, managing all this stuff, taking care of the family, taking care of everybody, all these human beings, doing all this.
And I'm like, if I don't start smoking weed, I'm going to literally turn into IBM. Seriously.
I'm like, I need a...
Not all the time, but I need to...
joe rogan
I like writing high.
I write my best stuff when I'm high.
tom papa
Original stuff or punch-up stuff?
joe rogan
Both.
tom papa
Both.
joe rogan
I mean, I write without it, too.
Yeah.
I mean, there's a lot of times when I write, I just sit down and write.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And sometimes those ideas are great jokes, or great ideas are great bits, but there's stuff that comes to me when I'm high where I'm like, this is just a gift by the universe.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
There's just something that just came to my head that I would...
I don't think I would have come up with without the weed.
tom papa
No.
No.
It kicks open these doors.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, that's like a famous quote by Carl Sagan.
Carl Sagan had a famous quote about what marijuana does to you.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is like, here, I'll find it.
This is like a famous quote.
I mean, Carl Sagan was like a known pothead.
unidentified
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
I'm convinced that there are genuine and valid levels of perception available with cannabis and probably with other drugs, which are, through the defects of our society and our educational system, unavailable to us without such drugs.
Carl motherfucking Sagan.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
Smoking weed, using a telescope, lighting bitches' brains on fire.
tom papa
Billions and billions.
joe rogan
Billions and billions of stars.
tom papa
Do you like the new cosmos?
joe rogan
Yeah, I love it.
tom papa
It's great.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's amazing.
tom papa
My kids got into it.
joe rogan
Well, he's another one.
Neil deGrasse Tyson, like, you know, in making that show, he's taking so much shit from creationists and from fucking people that, you should show the other side as well.
unidentified
How about having a creationist debate you upon your program?
tom papa
Oh, God.
They wouldn't run it in Kansas, right?
Yeah.
One of those states.
joe rogan
One of those.
tom papa
They literally, the first week, it was like, oh, they said it just didn't happen.
unidentified
Really?
tom papa
And then the second week, it was like, oh, no, they're not running it.
joe rogan
Is that true?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Is it A Station?
tom papa
Yeah.
Oh my god, I gotta Google that.
Yeah, Google it.
It was like the premiere of it.
joe rogan
Cosmos did not run in Kansas.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that true?
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
God, idiots.
unidentified
God.
tom papa
They didn't run the premiere episode, and they said it was a problem with something, like the broadcast or something, and then...
joe rogan
What is that?
unidentified
That's false.
joe rogan
False.
tom papa
False.
joe rogan
Oh, you fucking purveyor of bad information, Tom Papa.
tom papa
Oh, I saw an interview.
unidentified
How dare you.
tom papa
I saw...
joe rogan
I saw it online.
tom papa
What's his name?
No, what's his name?
joe rogan
Who said it?
tom papa
Seth talking about it.
joe rogan
Seth Rogen?
tom papa
No, the other Seth.
joe rogan
Seth MacFarlane?
tom papa
The dancing one.
joe rogan
Who's that?
brian redban
Seth MacFarlane.
tom papa
MacFarlane.
joe rogan
Well, he's full of shit.
He's probably high.
tom papa
Pending a bill, it would force Fox Television Network.
That's too many words.
What's it say?
unidentified
It goes down more.
tom papa
This might have been about a law, though.
That's about a law.
I'm not wrong.
brian redban
Okay.
tom papa
Alright, thank you.
You have a crack staff here.
joe rogan
Well, he gets a lot of shit, though, for sure.
He gets a lot of shit from creationists.
tom papa
Man, it's the best.
joe rogan
There's a lot of people that are upset with him because he's illuminating people on the actual facts and measured reality of the internet.
tom papa
Yeah, of the universe.
joe rogan
Of the universe, rather.
tom papa
George Carlin said that he would come up with his ideas straight, but then make it all funnier and punch it up.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, everybody's got their own method.
That's not a bad method.
Because for me, I like to write high as fuck sometimes.
Because when I write high as fuck, like sometimes I'll get high as fuck and I think I'm going to go into the isolation tank.
And my computer just goes, come here, man.
Come here, sit down.
And I just sit down and I start writing on the computer and I never make it into the tank.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, just an idea comes, and it just gets out of my head, like in these big bursts.
It's the best.
Yeah, and I feel like you've got to capture those moments.
That's why I think it's very important for comics to be able to type well.
Because a lot of comics, they peck and poke, and you miss out on ideas because you can't grab them out of the air quick enough.
tom papa
Yeah.
Do you ever write longhand?
joe rogan
No.
I mean, I do.
But when I write all this shit during shows and stuff where I have an idea that I don't want to forget, most of what it is is just really quick cliff notes.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Or when I have my notebook that I use for shows, I just write the same things down over and over again.
If you look at my notebook, I look like a crazy person.
tom papa
Me too.
Exactly.
joe rogan
Because I'm just trying to remember the order and make sure that I get the key punchlines, especially on new stuff.
tom papa
It's like The Shining.
It's just page after page of the same stuff.
It's so weird.
Do you use notes on your iPhone?
joe rogan
Yes, I do that.
tom papa
What do you call that file?
Mine's called Funny.
joe rogan
No, it's just notes.
Just this little notepad thing.
I got one here that I had to write yesterday about racial profiling.
I have a lot of them.
These are all things that are just written down.
tom papa
Oh, they're all random.
Yeah, I put them all in one file.
joe rogan
Oh, do you?
tom papa
I put them all under Funny.
And it's a very low percentage of what actually gets turned into a joke.
joe rogan
Right, but it's like you gotta throw a lot of shit up against the wall.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you record your sets?
tom papa
I do.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I do.
joe rogan
I used to use this voice memos thing that comes with the iPhone, but I found that it crashed a couple of times.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It fucked me.
tom papa
And it's not good when you're going to listen to it and go over stuff.
joe rogan
I use this one.
It's way more dynamic.
tom papa
Recorder?
joe rogan
No, it's a pay one.
You have to pay for it.
It's called VRP7 Full.
unidentified
What the fuck?
That is high tech.
tom papa
Does it make your joke sound funnier?
joe rogan
Well, I just looked for the one that got the best reviews.
All the people that are serious fucking audiophiles love this one.
They think it's the most flexible, has the most shit doing.
tom papa
I record all mine through a $1200 Sony Walkman.
joe rogan
You may have heard of it.
Oh, good move.
tom papa
Yeah, it's really good.
joe rogan
High quality.
tom papa
Such really high quality.
joe rogan
You're an audiophile.
I'm a foodie.
I'm going to kick people in the dick when they tell me they're a foodie.
Me and my wife are foodies.
tom papa
It's such a gross term.
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here.
tom papa
I hate that term.
brian redban
You're a foodie, Joe.
You always post the most sexiest steaks in your cooking.
joe rogan
I love food.
tom papa
He likes food.
joe rogan
Who doesn't love food?
tom papa
You'll call it a foodie.
joe rogan
I'm not a fucking foodie.
tom papa
It's the worst term ever.
It's like Feedy pajamas.
joe rogan
Well, it's people that are kind of schnobbish about food.
Or that's what they long for more than anything.
That's an element of life.
I'm not a wino either, but I like wine.
tom papa
I'm an oxygenaire.
joe rogan
Yeah, a wino.
That's what we need in this studio, man.
We need some wine.
We don't have any wine in here, do we?
brian redban
Get a big winery.
tom papa
Do we have wine?
joe rogan
It might be a little bit.
That's not even wine.
What is that?
brian redban
That would be cool if you had a really nice wine rack on one of these walls.
tom papa
It's warm in here, though.
joe rogan
Yes, that's what I was going to say.
What we should get is one of those wine cooler little refrigerator thingies and put some wine in there.
I enjoy a little glass of wine while you're doing a podcast, like some podcasts.
tom papa
That's a good idea.
joe rogan
Yeah, a little whiskey on ice.
tom papa
I thought it was going to be colder in here.
joe rogan
Why is that?
tom papa
I don't know.
I was watching at home and I was trying to size up.
brian redban
Let me turn on the air because it is hot in here.
tom papa
Sometimes, you know, you come to places and it's cold.
joe rogan
Well, you know what it is?
We have a lot of electronic equipment running.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We have all that shit over there.
Don't you have to keep that cool though?
I mean, cool enough.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's not like 80 in here.
It's like 75 or something.
unidentified
It's like three degrees above perfect.
tom papa
It's an LA thing.
People in New York are eating hail.
joe rogan
Fucked, man.
Those people are fucked.
tom papa
Oh, God.
joe rogan
Again.
It's hitting them again right now, right?
tom papa
I know.
I was just in D.C. and, man.
joe rogan
Fuck all that.
tom papa
Yeah, I know.
I can't go back.
brian redban
I was booking shows, and I was like, what am I doing?
I don't want to go to Ohio right now, so I'm like, just west coast right now.
joe rogan
But I don't mind visiting, man.
tom papa
Yeah, coming in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Visiting in the cold.
Like, I was in fucking Sweden in January, dude.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
And it's cold as shit, but it was fun.
tom papa
It's fun because you don't have to stay.
joe rogan
Yeah, you drop in, you have a good time, you get the fuck out of Dodge.
tom papa
You make a couple jokes about their weather.
joe rogan
You dummies.
See ya.
brian redban
I was talking to Joey Diaz last night, and he was just like, I just got back from Ohio.
The sun doesn't work there.
It was daylight.
The sun did nothing.
joe rogan
The sun does not work.
You understand me, cocksucker?
That's so true.
We're so spoiled, man.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
Like, me and the wife talked at one point in time about living in Seattle.
And it was like, we had a real discussion.
We even looked at a house.
It was a house that we really liked.
But I'm like, you gotta tell me that you can deal with this shit.
Because I can deal with a lot of shit that you can't deal with.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I don't know if you can deal with this.
Like, you gotta be able to deal with clouds.
Nothing but clouds.
And fucking rain.
I don't want to hear any crying.
tom papa
It breaks strong people.
unidentified
I'm just sad and I don't know why.
joe rogan
Oh God, take vitamin D, get in a sunbed, shut your hole.
I don't know, man.
tom papa
Yeah, the last couple trips I've had up to Seattle, I just have hit beautiful weather.
It's been just sunny and great the last three weekends I've been up there.
joe rogan
I'm in Portland in a couple weeks.
tom papa
Yeah, right.
And I'm telling people, I'm like, it's really great.
I mean, it just seems like...
And they get this dead look in their eyes and they're like, It's not like this all the time.
brian redban
You're so lucky.
The Nike CIO just quit from Portland because of the weather.
He's like, fuck that.
I'm the CIO and I still want to quit.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Because of the weather he said that?
Wow, that's like a big gig, man.
That guy's making a lot of money.
And that's not like you're Tom Papa.
If you're a comic, if you're Tom Papa, there's only one Tom Papa.
If someone's a Tom Papa fan, you've got to do it.
You've got to do that job.
tom papa
That's it.
joe rogan
But if you're fucking the CEO of a company, guess what, fuckface?
There's a bunch of those dudes waiting for that gig.
tom papa
That's right.
joe rogan
The guy that's running Foot Locker would be happy to come over and run Nike.
tom papa
You ever go to the Nike store, the factory?
joe rogan
Yes.
Well, I've been to the Nike, the celebrity center thing where they take you to the place and they give you the free sneakers.
tom papa
That is the bane of my celebrity existence.
joe rogan
What is it?
The Nike store?
tom papa
I can't get into the Nike store in LA. I don't go anymore.
I wanted to go since the beginning of my career.
I just heard about it.
You go and you get all this free stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I've done shows.
I've been in Nike.
I just shot a Nike commercial.
I cannot...
Something always falls apart, and I can never go.
joe rogan
You know when I stopped?
tom papa
When?
joe rogan
When I felt guilty about wearing other sneakers.
I'm like, this is bullshit.
They're not even giving me money, and I feel bad because I'm wearing Adidas.
I'm like, this is stupid.
So I just stopped going.
I'm like, I'm not broke.
I can afford a goddamn pair of sneakers.
unidentified
Right, exactly.
Plus, I buy everything online.
joe rogan
I love buying shit online.
It comes to you.
You don't have to go anywhere.
I don't have to shop.
That's more time out of my day that I don't have to dedicate.
tom papa
I love sitting at Amazon with my iPad at night and going, oh, I'm out of those eye drops.
Bam.
We need more toothpaste.
Bam.
joe rogan
I bought athletic tape today.
I bought 12 rolls of athletic tape.
tom papa
It's great.
brian redban
I know.
I just do all the heavy stuff like cat litter.
tom papa
I'm not going to a store.
brian redban
I like cat litter, like two liters of pop.
Anything that's heavy that I'm like, why am I carrying this?
I'd rather waste gas.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you know the pellet grills that we got from Green Mountain Grill?
I just bought a fuckload of pellets.
You know what a pellet grill is?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Oh, it's glorious.
There's a couple companies, Traeger, Yoder, Green Mountain Grills is the one we have, and what they are is they take these hardwood pellets.
Now, if you say if you buy this table that is made out of oak, and someone had to saw this table down, and when you're sawing it, it creates a lot of sawdust.
They take that sawdust and they compress it, and the natural sugars, just in compressing it, make these things stick together into pellets.
And you can take the pellets, you kind of break them in your hand.
It's not like a hard piece of wood, but it is a hard wood.
And so you take these pellets, you pour them into this bucket, and it's super efficient.
Just like a small box, you know, like maybe two foot square, of these pellets will last for fucking hours and hours of cooking.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
And it regulates the temperature perfectly, and you can grill on it.
It works as a smoker.
You can slow cook food on it.
tom papa
And you have to load it each time you grill?
joe rogan
No, it's loaded.
It's loaded for hours and hours of cooking.
And then when you want more, just pour some more into the box.
unidentified
Super easy.
tom papa
So you put a steak on, you heat it up.
joe rogan
Shut it off.
tom papa
And you shut it off.
joe rogan
Then turn it back on again, and it takes a couple minutes, it kicks on, it heats up really quickly, tastes delicious, I love cooking on it.
brian redban
They have an app now that you can just tell you what your temperature is on it.
joe rogan
You do it from your phone.
They also have a thing that you plug into the meat, like a meat thermometer, and it registers on the thing so you can tell exactly what temperature your food is when it's done.
tom papa
Awesome.
brian redban
D-Mountain Grills is the best.
joe rogan
I love it.
tom papa
It's all gas at the Papa House.
joe rogan
You use gas grills?
That doesn't taste as good.
I generally, I like to grill on lump charcoal, but I like to slow cook things and smoke things on the Green Mountain Grill.
tom papa
What's really not good is the lid of my grill is the paint's been coming off.
brian redban
Oh my God, that's not good at all.
The same thing just happened to me.
You can't do that.
tom papa
It's been coming off for a couple of years.
brian redban
You could die.
unidentified
Me too.
joe rogan
You can't eat that.
brian redban
All the black stuff would fall on your chicken and you don't know if it's just grind or paint.
unidentified
You don't know if it's chicken or paint.
brian redban
I did that for like two years before Green Mountain Grill sent me one.
joe rogan
You need to get a better grill.
tom papa
It's time for a new grill.
Let's get new grills.
joe rogan
That's bullshit.
You guys can get grills together.
Yeah.
But those...
I have...
You know what a big green egg is?
tom papa
No.
joe rogan
That's like a ceramic grill.
It's got...
It's really heavy and the ceramic...
The fact that it's made out of ceramic...
It keeps in the heat.
And a lot of people smoke things and cook things.
I use it mostly to grill, but I don't have a big green egg.
I have a better one.
It's called a Kamado.
It's really beautiful.
It's a big, beautiful Japanese thing with blue tiles on it.
But I use that for grilling.
I have grilled steaks on it.
But anything that I want to slow cook, like the other day I did a roast on the Green Mountain Grill.
Ooh, lovely.
tom papa
That sounds good.
Your photos always get me.
joe rogan
Oh, lovely.
brian redban
I'm eating lean pocket.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did my first moose roast the other day.
unidentified
Moose?
tom papa
Where'd you get the moose?
unidentified
Spectacular.
joe rogan
I shot that bitch.
tom papa
Where?
joe rogan
Right in the fucking heart.
unidentified
Van Nuys?
brian redban
It's right there.
joe rogan
Yeah, Van Nuys.
I got it in Studio City.
It was talking shit about them.
tom papa
At the Wits of Driving Race?
joe rogan
Talking shit about Mexicans.
I don't want to take it out.
No, I shot it in Canada.
tom papa
You did?
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
I hear moose hunting is like the top of the hunting.
joe rogan
Well, it's delicious meat, and you can get a moose and it'll last you.
I mean, I have 400 pounds of moose meat in my freezer.
tom papa
Oh my god.
joe rogan
Yeah, give or take a couple of pounds.
brian redban
Isn't that his face right there?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, this is him right there.
brian redban
That's his head right there.
tom papa
For real?
joe rogan
Yeah, that was the moose.
I forgot he was right there.
Hi, fellow.
tom papa
He looks terrible.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's really lean right now.
tom papa
He looks awful.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
400 pounds.
joe rogan
Oh, so it was a 900 pound animal.
And after you debone it, skin it, and cut all the meat out, it's a lot of meat.
So that's like 400 meals.
tom papa
Is it really gamey?
joe rogan
No, not at all.
Mousse isn't even remotely gamey.
unidentified
Not like deer?
joe rogan
No, mousse is like a very unique flavor.
And even deer, a good percentage of deer, what makes it gamey is the preparation.
tom papa
Oh, really?
joe rogan
It's how people take care of the meat.
Like, glands are really important.
You avoid, like, they have these things called tarsal glands that, like, are down near their legs.
And when they're in heat, which is most of the time when people hunt them, it's called the rut.
And it's like, that's when hunting season is legal in a lot of states.
If you get that stuff on the meat, it'll fuck with the taste of the meat.
tom papa
Yeah, it gets strong.
joe rogan
Yeah, if it decomposes or if you let it sit in the sun too long while you're gutting it, that's not good.
The meat can go bad.
If the organs get too hot while you're taking care of it, there's a bunch of different variables.
Like the fat itself, you've got to trim the fat off of...
Deer, especially.
tom papa
Who was your guide through all this?
joe rogan
There's a guy named Steve Rinella, and he has a show called Meat Eater.
It's on the Sportsman's channel, and he's taken me on, he took me on my first hunt, and then I started going hunting with a bunch of different people ever since then.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like, for the last two years.
What did you just get excited about, Brian?
unidentified
What happened?
Well, I was looking up, because of Fog Rock.
brian redban
Fog Rock.
The ban has been overturned here in Los Angeles, and I was just looking to see what restaurants have it.
One of my favorite restaurants, they announced that they carry it now.
joe rogan
Animal.
Oh, Animal, I'm sure.
There's a place right down the street here, right in the next town over.
It's called Brandywine.
It's fucking amazing.
It's on Ventura Boulevard.
They have the best foie gras.
It's amazing.
And people who don't like foie gras, oh, you're an asshole.
Why would you eat duck liver?
Why would you eat duck?
unidentified
Okay?
joe rogan
An asshole to eat the wood.
Here, they're overfeeding those ducks.
Is that worse than shooting them in the fucking face?
Because that's what's going to happen, too.
unidentified
Cutting his head off.
joe rogan
Cutting his head off and plucking all his feathers out.
brian redban
What's the humane way that they, I guess, now are doing?
Is it just like a...
joe rogan
There's a lot of debate about whether or not it's humane to create foie gras.
Objectively speaking, it is kind of fucked up that you take this duck and you stick his mouth into a tube and then you force feed him and that's what makes their liver swell.
However, the reality is when you go to these foie gras places, when they have these farms, when it's time for the ducks to feed, they all get close to that feeder.
They want that food.
They probably don't want you to grab them roughly and stick their neck on it, but the best way to do it is to not force feed them.
The best way to do it is to give them an abundance of food, but you're going to get a smaller liver than if you just pour it down their throat.
tom papa
I've never had it.
joe rogan
They just don't have the same, they don't have gag reflexes like we do.
I mean, I'm sure they don't like being grabbed and have their mouth stuck into a tube, but they also don't like being killed.
tom papa
There's no humane, there's no nice way to kill and eat meat.
joe rogan
Well, there's a humane way to treat them while they're alive, and that's where the debate lies.
But when the animal rights people pass that legislation, you've got to realize the agenda of PETA and animal rights people, they don't even want you eating eggs.
Do you know PETA on their website has eggs listed as a chicken's period?
Do you really want to eat a chicken's period?
Pull that up, Jamie.
Are you serious?
Oh my god, it's so hilarious.
Now listen.
I'm telling you this from personal experience because I have chickens.
I have 22 fucking chickens, okay?
And I eat eggs from my chickens every day.
They are delicious.
And it's not a chicken's period, okay?
It's an unfertilized egg.
Look at that.
Would you eat a chicken's period?
Look how dumb you fuckheads are.
Eggs come from chicken menstruation.
Yeah, look at that.
So they have a frying pan with a bloody underwear.
unidentified
That's disgusting.
joe rogan
Why a bloody underwear?
What kind of lazy bitch can't put a fucking tampon in?
tom papa
Do your chickens wear underwear?
joe rogan
They all do.
Every chicken does.
You don't know this?
brian redban
Panty protectors?
joe rogan
They all wear maxi pads.
It's so stupid.
Have you ever cracked open an egg and found blood inside?
It's like a scary carry moment.
That's sure to make anybody gag.
Clean up in aisle six.
Who the fuck wrote this?
What dunce?
Pull up the name of this fucking dollar.
tom papa
That's bad writing.
joe rogan
Do they have a name on this thing?
Go all the way up.
It doesn't say.
tom papa
Coward!
You wrote a bad song, Petey.
joe rogan
Clean up in aisle six.
Fuck you.
Dumbass.
It's like a Halloween prank gone wrong.
But chicken periods are what you're eating every time you fry, scramble, or bake with eggs.
You're getting delicious, cruelty-free protein.
My chickens are completely free-range.
They wander around my yard.
I eat their eggs.
Nobody gets hurt.
My fucking four-year-old picks the chickens up.
These chickens are fine.
No one's getting hurt.
tom papa
They're going to make eggs either way.
brian redban
There's nothing wrong with eating a girl's period anyway.
This girl's just not having any fun at all.
I mean, that's not gross.
unidentified
It's just blood.
brian redban
It's just blood.
My steak is dripping of blood.
I don't even know that fucking bitch.
You know?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
Well, most of the steaks you eat are actually males, believe it or not.
They're steers.
They're a bowl that they cut their balls off of.
tom papa
Are you going to eat 400 pounds of mousse?
joe rogan
Eventually.
tom papa
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, I give some away.
I've given some away.
I've given some to my friends.
I actually run a restaurant.
I've given some mousse to them.
I told them to cook it and tell me what it tastes like.
She's a chef.
I'm like, what kind of preparations would you use?
She's like, let me think about this.
And I go, cook it.
Tell me what you're going to do.
Yeah, but I've done it a bunch of different ways.
I've grilled it.
Like I said, I marinated it and grilled it.
Then I marinated and made a roast the other day.
That was kind of interesting.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
That was delicious.
tom papa
That's pretty good.
joe rogan
Yeah, you like sear it on a frying pan and then you cook it over like 400 degree temperature for about, it was like about a half an hour.
Oh, it's amazing.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Moose.
joe rogan
Well, the good thing about it, California to appeal ruling overturning Fogwa Band.
Oh, they're going to...
unidentified
Oh!
tom papa
You better get there quick.
Bullshit.
You better make a reservation tonight.
joe rogan
I am upset.
What are they saying?
tom papa
You better make a reservation.
unidentified
What are they saying?
brian redban
Scroll down a little.
joe rogan
Scroll up.
What is this dummy saying?
tom papa
They're not going to...
joe rogan
California's Attorney General on Wednesday filed notice that her office twat...
We'll appeal a federal judge's decision that overturned the state's two-year ban on the sales of fogwa, a delicacy made from fatty duck and geese liver.
California outlawed fogwa sales and production in 2004, but the ban didn't take place until 2012. Proponents of the ban say forced feeding of ducks and geese to enlarge their livers amount to animal cruelty.
Critics of the ban say it infringes upon culinary freedom, effectively turning...
Chefs into criminals.
Silly.
Silly, silly, silly.
tom papa
Freedom!
What the fuck?
joe rogan
This questionable ruling.
California has the right to prevent the commerce in such a cruel and inhumane product.
Look, all meat products are cruel and humane.
You're going to have to go through every fucking single Taco Bell and take out all their All their beef, all their pork, all their chicken, every Burger King, every McDonald's, every KFC, that is all animals that are treated far more cruel than these expensive duck and geese.
I mean, they treat those better.
All they're doing is feeding them a lot of grain.
That's all they're doing.
It's not like, you know, this idea that this is like a uniquely cruel thing, and that if you ban this, all the other things that you see are not as bad.
No, all the other things you see are way worse.
They cut chickens' beaks off when they're babies so that they don't peck each other's eyeballs off because they're in such close quarters stuffed into these little cages.
That's all legal.
If they want to make something, what they should do is have everything free range.
Everything should be free range.
Pork should be free range.
Chicken should be free range.
Beef should be free range.
You should have an allotted amount of land that you have to own for a certain amount of chickens, a certain amount of cows, a certain amount of beef.
But then you're going to have problems with coyotes.
Because I've had two chickens get killed by coyotes and one by my dog.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, fucking man, man.
You find a way to get to them.
And if you have a big farm, you're going to have to have sheepdogs that run around or some sort of dog.
That keeps the coyotes away.
I mean, you're going to have to change agriculture.
You're going to have to change livestock.
tom papa
And you couldn't do it at that level, that mass.
joe rogan
That's the only way to stop animal cruelty when it comes to livestock.
And if they don't do that, then they're hypocritical.
This is silliness.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
This is only food.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
They're only force feeding them.
tom papa
In such a small scale compared to...
joe rogan
And it's delicious.
Ooh, you ever had it?
Fog was so buttery.
unidentified
I'm going to night.
tom papa
I have to use the restroom.
joe rogan
Yummy.
Go use that restroom, Tom Papa.
Go through that door and do your little business.
Is that paper?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, we got paper.
If you take a shit, they'll warn us.
Keep the fan on.
He's a funny guy.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
I never met him before until today.
brian redban
I didn't know he was in so many movies.
He's been in a movie with Matt Damon before.
I forget what the name of it was.
But he's been in a lot of TV shows and stuff like that.
joe rogan
He had that show.
Oh, yeah.
That was a good movie.
He had that show, The Wedding Counselor or The Marriage Counselor or something like that.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was it called?
brian redban
Marriage Ref.
joe rogan
Where he was like, that's a job you don't want.
Trying to get people to fucking work their marriage out.
Just fucking break up.
Try again.
You're a new person now.
Try it one more time.
That was the quickest tinkle ever.
Are we doing blow in there, dude?
Did you do blow in there?
tom papa
No, but I washed my hands and everything.
joe rogan
Wow, that's incredible.
How the fuck did you do that?
brian redban
Is it that fast?
joe rogan
Did you pee or shit?
tom papa
I peed.
I'm not gonna shit here.
joe rogan
You can shit here.
tom papa
We all shit here.
I would never.
I don't think I've shit outside of my own house more than twice in my life.
brian redban
Are you serious?
joe rogan
Dude, I'll shit in the parking lot if I have to.
tom papa
I really don't.
unidentified
Really?
tom papa
It's very infrequent, yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
That show The Marriage Ref that you did.
tom papa
Yes.
joe rogan
Was that a nightmare, like, talking to people about their relationship troubles?
tom papa
No, that part was okay.
Talking to the real people was fine.
It was trying to do a comedy show with celebrities that weren't funny.
Staring into the eyes of Donald Trump or Gloria Estefan while you're trying to get funny conversation going.
I could talk to regular people about their relationships.
All night and day.
joe rogan
What was the show?
tom papa
I kind of find it fun and interesting.
joe rogan
I never saw it.
tom papa
It was a good core idea of Seinfeld's that when married couples get in fights, these fights will last forever because you're not really giving in and solving the problem.
You just kind of hunker down.
But if you have a friend, it happened with him.
Him and his wife were in a fight and he had a friend over and he said, Jerry said to him, will you please listen to both our sides and you tell us who's right and who's wrong.
And the friend listened to him and said, you're right and she's wrong, whatever.
And he thought, this is a funny thing for a show, for married couples that have these fights that last their whole marriage.
Have a marriage ref weigh in and say whether it's right or wrong.
And, uh...
At its core, it's a pretty good idea, but then there's so many moving...
It was part reality, then it was part talk show, then you had three celebrities weighing in and giving their opinion on it, and then it just became too many moving parts.
joe rogan
The celebrities are a goofy idea.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because especially a lot of celebrities will pretend they have an opinion that's different than they really have, just in order to be...
Like to get good social brownie points or to sound like it's the right thing to say.
tom papa
Right, or just to make noise on TV, just to be saying something.
And then it became a booking nightmare because it went through Jerry's Rolodex at first.
It was like all these really famous, fun people that he knew, like Alec Baldwin and Larry David and Madonna and all these crazy people and then that was it.
He wasn't going to just keep asking friends and stuff and then the next year it was like the level of gas went way down and it was like you know you can't get those kind of the network wanted Madonna every week and you know you're getting some Road comic or something like that.
That part became kind of wiggy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
If you're counting on celebrity guests...
tom papa
It's rough.
joe rogan
Like Celebrity Apprentice.
How long can they do that?
I mean, they're totally out of celebrities, right?
Celebrity Apprentice?
tom papa
Oh, and I... Yeah, on my way to the store the other night, I looked at the billboard on Laurel, and I don't know who any of those people are.
joe rogan
LAUGHTER Yeah, I mean, they offered that shit to me when we were rebooting Fear Factor, and I was like, what?
No, no.
And then they're like, yeah, you gotta live in New York for two months.
I go, get the fuck.
And then I talked to my wife, and I'm like, it might be fun to be in New York for a while.
I'm like, no, I can fucking just go to New York!
I don't want to be on this stupid fucking show and have him say, you're fired!
tom papa
Fuck you!
Is the money so good that that's why they get these people?
joe rogan
They offer good money.
tom papa
It is good money.
joe rogan
It was a good chunk of change.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
It was real money.
I was kind of surprised.
tom papa
Right.
It's been on forever.
joe rogan
Yeah, for two months they were going to give you like a real fucking, a big slice.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
A nice slice.
tom papa
That's the only way.
joe rogan
But it's, you know, it's still not worth it.
tom papa
It's not worth it.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Because you're going to be stuck there and you're going to have to do that shit.
But for people that are trying to really, like I know Penn Jillette, he found that when he did it, all these people, they got more people to their show at the Rio.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
You know, they have a weekly show.
They're there every week.
Penn and Teller are at the Rio in Vegas every week, every week.
And he kind of has to do things outside of that in order to alert people that he's there.
And he said it was very effective for that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tom papa
Yeah.
I guess.
I guess it's just a personal thing.
I couldn't sit and look at Donald Trump and be on the show.
You're fired!
joe rogan
You're fired, Jetson!
tom papa
That big face and the thing.
I couldn't.
But The Marriage Wolf was...
It was okay.
It was just chaos.
It was like a crazy producer.
joe rogan
Crazy producer?
Those are great.
Producers are great, aren't they?
tom papa
It just went nuts.
joe rogan
Those stupid ideas that you have to listen to?
tom papa
Oh, God.
It was crazy.
Fighting with the network and all this insanity.
joe rogan
Oh, what did the network watch?
tom papa
It was supposed to be like this nice little quiet show.
Jerry just wanted to do this little...
It was going to be like a Sunday night show and just kind of like slowly bring it out and just for married people.
That's all it was.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
And then Leno's...
The primetime tanked.
And they called Jerry and they were like, we want you to save Thursday nights.
We're going to put it on Thursday at 10. Seinfeld returns to Thursday nights.
And I don't know if you remember watching the Olympics that year.
They were just kept pumping it and pumping it.
The greatest show.
Jerry's back.
The biggest comedy show.
Every break of the Olympics, to the point where when they had the final ceremonies for the Olympics, they cut it off.
Someone was mid-singing, mid-Canadian song, and they were like, boop, the marriage wrap!
And people were like, uh-uh.
This is not what you told us.
This is not the best comedy thing of all time.
And they really came after it pretty hard.
joe rogan
Too much hype?
tom papa
Way too much.
joe rogan
Way!
tom papa
We didn't even know what we were doing yet.
We didn't know what it was yet.
joe rogan
Yeah, you gotta let those things grow, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like we were talking about with jokes.
You're getting the first draft on NBC pumped up by the Olympics.
tom papa
Totally.
It was so annoying.
I would watch the Olympics and be like, alright, I can't watch enough with these promos.
I don't want...
I can't.
Letterman did a thing, one of his top tens.
Remember, that was the year, like, someone went off in a, not the toboggan, like, a luge or something when flying off the side or something.
And it was like the top 10 things that he thought right before he crashed or something.
And one was, no more marriage rep promos or something like that.
joe rogan
But didn't someone die?
tom papa
Yeah, I don't think it was the dead guy.
Yeah, he wouldn't have done the top 10 off the dead guy.
joe rogan
He might have.
tom papa
Maybe.
joe rogan
Depends on where his life was at at that moment.
tom papa
Yeah, good point.
But it was, you know, you just kind of get swept into those things and just, it was fun to have a show for a couple of years.
joe rogan
Do you want to do something else now?
What are you doing now?
tom papa
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
I'm acting on The Nick.
I have a couple episodes coming again.
joe rogan
What's The Nick?
tom papa
The Nick is Soderbergh's new show with Clive Owen.
It's about a hospital in New York in like 1910. It's really good.
Clive Owen's amazing.
joe rogan
Is it a comedy or is it a drama?
tom papa
No, it's a drama.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
And Clive Owen's amazing.
It's great.
It's really, really well done.
joe rogan
This is it?
Oh, whoa.
tom papa
Yeah, it's so good.
joe rogan
Modern medicine had to start somewhere.
tom papa
And Soderbergh does it.
You know, I do a lot of stuff with Soderbergh.
joe rogan
That looks to me like that scene in that movie, The Wolfman, the most recent one.
What the fuck is his name?
What's it?
Benicio Del Toro, yeah.
Benicio Del Toro was the wolfman, and they did an experiment on him, and he fucking turned into a wolfman in the middle of the...
That's like one of them old-school-y, auditorium-type, you know, where they would...
tom papa
Operating room.
joe rogan
...medical school, where they do operations.
tom papa
Oh, and he's addicted to cocaine, and at the end of the first season, they treat him for cocaine madness, because it's all legal back then.
To treat him for cocaine madness, they give him heroin.
joe rogan
This is on Cinemax?
tom papa
Cinemax, yeah.
joe rogan
I didn't even know Cinemax still existed.
tom papa
I know.
This is like the only real good show on there.
joe rogan
I'm not trying to be rude.
tom papa
No, it goes from this to like softcore porn.
brian redban
They've kind of been quiet, right?
tom papa
Yeah.
But I only did a couple episodes and I have another couple coming up in the next season.
But it's a cool thing to be on.
joe rogan
Cinemax is alive and kicking.
tom papa
Man, this is a good show.
joe rogan
Showtime was dead in the fucking water until shit like Dexter.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
And now they have one of my favorite shows ever.
The fucking show about the CIA. Homeland.
Homeland.
Love that show.
tom papa
Right, exactly.
joe rogan
It's a fucking great show.
tom papa
Yeah, no, it's good stuff.
joe rogan
Why not Cinemax?
I mean, this is all they need to do.
Was he cutting up with a pig?
tom papa
What the fuck was he doing?
He was practicing.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Is it...
tom papa
There's like some really...
joe rogan
Is it aired already?
tom papa
Yeah, the first season aired, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, the first season's already aired.
tom papa
First season aired.
There's ten of them out there.
joe rogan
Wow, there's so many channels now.
unidentified
It's so crazy.
tom papa
It's amazing.
joe rogan
But all you have to do, like, A&E, okay?
Or, like, what is even worse?
What is the fucking Walking Dead on?
AMC. AMC. What the fuck is that?
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Who the hell ever watched AMC before The Walking Dead was on?
tom papa
And Mad Men.
Mad Men's on there, too.
joe rogan
And Breaking Bad, too, right?
Yeah.
I mean, out of nowhere, all you have to do is just put out amazing shows and people will flock to your stupid network.
tom papa
It's crazy.
You can do it on Netflix or Amazon.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, and Netflix.
The House of Cards is giant.
tom papa
I'm writing for a show on Amazon now.
Really?
Yeah.
joe rogan
What is it?
tom papa
It's called Red Oaks.
You'd like it.
It's coming of age.
Red Oaks is a country club in northern New Jersey, and it's about a young kid working at the country club, and he's getting laid.
It's kind of like Caddyshack, kind of a feel to it.
It's comedy.
Yeah, comedy.
And my friend created it, and it has it going, so I'm going to write a couple episodes of it.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I know Netflix is doing a lot of original stuff.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They all are.
Netflix has, Bill Burr has his new animated show that's going to come out.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
They're jealous.
joe rogan
They wrote it already.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, you could make something, man.
Don't be jealous.
Make something.
unidentified
Try.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
They wrote it, and then it's going to be like a year until it's on the air.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
Because they have to animate the shit out of it, and it takes a long fucking time.
tom papa
Oh, man.
I did an animated thing.
joe rogan
Getting those kids in a sweatshop to do it.
That's what happens.
tom papa
Yeah.
No, it's true.
They send it overseas to Korea.
That's what we did.
Me and Rob Zombie did an animated feature called Super Bisto.
joe rogan
Dude, you were hanging out with Rob Zombie?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
What's that like?
tom papa
He's a good guy.
joe rogan
Is he?
tom papa
Really good guy.
Hard worker.
Real creative.
joe rogan
Makes fucking horror movies now.
How weird is that?
They're good.
tom papa
Really good.
That guy works.
Gets up early and just goes.
joe rogan
Really?
tom papa
Goes.
Talking about, like, make something, he's just, like, one of those guys, like, no, we're doing this, and you're gonna do it.
joe rogan
Wow.
tom papa
And when we did this, uh, It took us like five years, literally.
unidentified
Wow.
tom papa
From doing it and animating and recutting and all that.
I mean, it just went on forever.
joe rogan
Five fucking years?
tom papa
Yeah, it took forever.
Goddamn.
joe rogan
How many horror movies has that guy directed now?
Quite a few.
tom papa
Like four or five.
He did two Halloweens.
House of a Thousand Corpses.
The other one, Devil's Rejects.
joe rogan
Yeah, Devil's Rejects was crazy.
tom papa
Then he just did Salem, the Lords of Salem.
joe rogan
Yeah, he makes some fucked up horror movies, too.
tom papa
He does.
They get dark.
joe rogan
Dark and violent splatter films.
tom papa
And then you just hang out with him and his wife and my kids.
joe rogan
Totally normal.
That's so strange.
tom papa
He directed both my stand-up specials.
joe rogan
Did he really?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
Rob Zombie directed your stand-up specials.
tom papa
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's pretty fucking dope.
tom papa
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
joe rogan
That's pretty dope.
tom papa
The last one, we just were like, you know, people are giving us money.
Let's make it...
Let's use it.
Let's make it like show business.
Like, we made it...
We blew the whole thing out.
It's just crazy.
You know, stand-up specials are really just about the jokes, but we just made it like...
It looks like a game show.
It was called Freaked Out.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tom papa
That's on Netflix, yeah.
And it looks like, literally, like, it's all bright.
And I had this, like, white mic.
Oh, that's great.
Yeah, we just wanted to make them, like, films.
Like, be creative with it.
joe rogan
Netflix is amazing now.
I did my first special on Netflix in 2005. Oh yeah?
Yeah, that was my first video special, really.
tom papa
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that was the beginning of the whole internet.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Nobody really had the kind of broadband to get shit instantaneously back then.
A lot of people still had dial-up in 2005. Right.
Or they had really shitty cable or something like that.
But now Netflix has something like 70 million downloads or 70 million customers.
tom papa
Yeah, it's big.
joe rogan
So think about that.
70 million people spending seven bucks a month.
tom papa
That's why they're making shows because they have so much cash.
joe rogan
That's fucking insane money.
Insane.
Think about that every month.
tom papa
Yeah.
They have a lot of cash.
unidentified
That's a lot of cash.
tom papa
They're like, why don't we make some shows?
How much can that be?
A million in episodes?
Not a big deal.
joe rogan
But they have to have deals, though, too, with cable providers and shit.
Remember they were throttling down their cable?
Netflix takes on $400 million in new debt to fund original content and European expansion.
Wow.
brian redban
Wow.
tom papa
They'll make it back.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
In a month.
They'll make that shit back in a month.
brian redban
I have a great idea for a Netflix special or movie.
joe rogan
Don't say it.
Someone will steal that shit.
You can't say I have a great idea.
tom papa
Well, it's not like I'm ever going to do it.
brian redban
It's not like I'm ever going to do it.
joe rogan
Why do you say it?
Well, don't give it away, man.
tom papa
Then someone else will do it.
joe rogan
Just talk.
tom papa
Just tell us when the mics are off.
joe rogan
Shut this motherfucker down and we'll write some notes.
You have a lot of great ideas, dude.
You're just lazy.
brian redban
This is a funny idea.
I'm not really going to do this, but here's my idea.
joe rogan
Don't tell anybody, man.
unidentified
Jesus!
joe rogan
What are you, crazy?
unidentified
It's so stupid.
joe rogan
Okay, go ahead.
brian redban
Okay, so most people have got rid of their cable, right?
joe rogan
No, that's not true at all.
brian redban
Every year there's more and more people that are getting rid of their cable.
A lot of my friends don't have cable.
tom papa
Young people don't buy cable.
brian redban
Yeah, yeah.
One of the biggest things, though, is I'm somebody that likes to watch TV when I go to bed.
I like to have the TV on when I'm sleeping.
With Netflix, every time you watch something, it says this window pops up after the show.
It's like, are you still watching?
And then it just turns off, and then halfway through, you have to wake up.
Turn on the TV again or hit play.
I just want to make a video or a movie that's like 12 hours long for people that just want to sleep and have their TV on.
tom papa
Stop talking now.
The good news is no one's going to steal that.
joe rogan
The bad news is that's a good idea to you.
brian redban
I mean, have you ever...
Do you watch TV when you go to bed?
unidentified
No, I shut off and go to bed like a normal fucking human.
tom papa
I don't have TV in the bedroom.
joe rogan
What's wrong with you, Brian?
brian redban
But you know a lot of people that do that, right?
joe rogan
You need to go to a doctor.
You need to get your brain examined.
There's something wrong there.
You know there's something wrong there.
You probably got a mouse-sized tumor.
tom papa
You live alone?
brian redban
Yeah.
I mean, I think there's a lot of people that watch TV with, like, have to have the TV on when they sleep.
joe rogan
And they want a 12-hour Netflix show to download and waste bandwidth.
unidentified
What a great idea.
tom papa
While they're sleeping, not watching it.
joe rogan
You should pitch that.
You should set up a meeting.
Watch them stare at you.
tom papa
Don't they have a thing on Netflix where it just goes to the next episode?
brian redban
After a while, it has this window that pops up.
It's like, are you still watching?
Because it doesn't want you to do that.
It doesn't want you to waste bandwidth.
So maybe have a really small, low-res video that's just like an old movie soundtrack.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
They're not going to do that.
Here's some shit to watch while you're falling asleep.
And then they'll watch it while they're halfway awake and it's you and your underwear playing with your feet.
And they'll be like, what is this?
Shut this off.
tom papa
It's the biggest hit for people who are asleep.
joe rogan
No one, I tell you, no one thinks that's a good idea with you.
brian redban
No one?
tom papa
I'm going to say no one.
joe rogan
No one at all.
brian redban
I'll show you guys.
joe rogan
No one at all.
brian redban
It'll be the number one watched movie on Netflix just for people that want to go to sleep or something.
joe rogan
No, it will be the number one watched for idiots.
People with head wounds.
People that are missing something.
tom papa
Dead people.
joe rogan
Serious nutritional deficiencies.
They can't see straight.
They don't know how to work a remote.
They can't find their glasses.
tom papa
It streams in morgues all around the country.
joe rogan
That idea sucks, bro.
tom papa
Hey, we have to plug Ari's show.
joe rogan
Yes, yes.
This is not happening.
It's on Thursday nights at 1230. And you are on this Thursday?
tom papa
I don't know.
Yeah, maybe.
I think so.
joe rogan
We're here this week.
I believe you're on this Thursday.
Is that correct?
tom papa
If not, I'm on one of the Thursdays, so you should better keep watching.
joe rogan
What did you talk about?
Can you give us a preview without giving away the story?
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
What was the episode about?
tom papa
I don't know.
joe rogan
There's a theme?
tom papa
I don't know.
joe rogan
You don't know.
tom papa
I know my story, though.
joe rogan
Okay.
tom papa
It was about when I was in high school, how I would sneak out of my house to go to my girlfriend's house.
I would come in for curfew and then sneak out.
I had this whole system, and I would sneak out and push my car into the woods.
joe rogan
Push your car into the woods and then start out?
tom papa
No, and then park it in the woods by her house.
joe rogan
Oh!
So you would drive it out to her house and then push it into the woods so no one could hear it?
tom papa
Not in the woods.
I would hide in like the bushes.
joe rogan
Right.
tom papa
It was all about saying goodnight to my family and then going out and getting some sex.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
It's a funnier story than the preview.
tom papa
But Ari has a great show, is the point.
And it's on after at midnight.
joe rogan
Ari was on Conan last night.
Killed it.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, killed it.
tom papa
Did he do stand-up?
joe rogan
Yeah, nobody gives a shit about Conan on CBS, though, or TVS, or whatever the fuck it is.
tom papa
I know, but it's such a good place to go do stand-up.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tom papa
The audiences are great.
They do a good show.
joe rogan
It's just weird.
tom papa
It's just...
joe rogan
Because no one's watching.
It's just...
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
What are the numbers?
It's better than George Lopez.
tom papa
Like 800,000.
joe rogan
George Lopez's show was on after it, right?
Didn't they do that?
They used to do Conan first and George Lopez after.
unidentified
It's like...
tom papa
I think it's below a million.
joe rogan
Yeah, they tried to do that thing, that late night thing on TBS. They tried to do it, but it's like people are addicted to that NBC, CBS sort of back and forth.
tom papa
Do you know what TBS is on your TV? No.
joe rogan
I don't either.
tom papa
I could not tell you what the number is.
joe rogan
It's like sitcom reruns.
I mean, that's what I think of when I think of TBS. I guess they have their own shows, too.
Cougar Town?
tom papa
Yeah, TBS. Is Cougar Town TBS? Yeah, but that was an ABC show.
joe rogan
It was?
Cougar Town was?
tom papa
The problem is, I like baseball, and whenever the playoffs always go on TBS, I'm like, where is it?
You've got to look it up and find it, and you're not doing that every night.
joe rogan
There's so many fucking channels now.
tom papa
It's amazing.
joe rogan
And with things like Netflix, essentially what Netflix is is a production company that's like a bridge to the internet.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
And the internet is where it's at.
That is the future for all this stuff.
tom papa
Yeah.
joe rogan
All of it.
The only problem with Netflix is, though, this is a problem.
You can't download it and keep it on your computer.
You can't watch a Netflix movie on a plane.
tom papa
I know.
joe rogan
That's stupid.
tom papa
That is a bummer.
joe rogan
Because they don't want you stealing and then taking it and pirating it.
You can only stream it.
tom papa
Why not do it like when you rent a movie on iTunes?
Once you play it, it terminates in 24 hours.
Why don't they do that, Netflix?
joe rogan
Well, they should, but I think when you download something on iTunes, you don't have a physical copy that you could copy and play.
It only appears in the app.
tom papa
Right.
joe rogan
It's not like in a file somewhere where you could find it.
tom papa
No.
It comes up on your iPad.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tom papa
Do that, Netflix.
joe rogan
Yeah, they should do that because that's annoying that you can't get something and watch it on a plane.
I think that's whack.
tom papa
It is whack.
brian redban
That's when you go back into piracy.
joe rogan
Don't do it, Brian.
They're going to arrest people.
Didn't they put those Pirate Bay guys and they just fucking, some new ruling got passed on the Pirate Bay guys?
They're fucked.
tom papa
Oh, yeah?
brian redban
Yeah, they just actually re-released Pirate Bay today, I believe.
tom papa
I don't know what Pirate Bay is.
brian redban
A new version of Pirate Bay.
joe rogan
Pirate Bay is a site that allows you to find and access BitTorrent files pretty easily.
So, like, if Tom Papa is selling his special online, like if you did a Louis CK $5 thing, they would just BitTorrent the shit out of it, and people would just...
You know, somebody would buy it for five bucks, throw it up on BitTorrent, and then a bunch of people would download it for free.
Like movies, like a lot of movies.
Like the Sony hack, they released a lot of movies.
tom papa
Really?
joe rogan
Some movies that aren't even done yet.
unidentified
Jeez.
joe rogan
They got files and just fucking threw them online.
tom papa
Oh, man.
That's awful.
brian redban
I use it for legal books and PDFs.
I mean, there's legal reasons for Pirate Bay also.
joe rogan
Yeah, no, you could definitely get some stuff that's legal.
Like if you wanted to share things, like say if you had a book and you decided you were going to release it for free as a PDF, which a lot of people do, you could just upload it and then people can get it anytime they want.
And that's like one of the arguments about what file sharing actually is.
Everyone says it's just piracy.
Right.
You know, Kim.com, that dude, he lives in New Zealand.
I mean, they are fucking that guy hard.
They took all of his money.
He's going bankrupt.
I mean, it's incredible.
And it's because he created Mega Upload.
Mega Upload was a place where a lot of people downloaded, you know, quote-unquote, stolen or illegal files.
tom papa
Was it stolen?
Why do you want your book to be read by all these criminals?
joe rogan
What are you showing us?
Alert!
Stay away from the Pirate Bay website as we've gotten reports that it has been seized indirectly by the FBI and is logging IPs.
unidentified
That's why I legally use it only for PDFs.
joe rogan
The Pirate Bay is an FBI honeypot.
A disconcertingly plausible conspiracy theory.
Yeah, that's totally plausible.
It's from Motherboard.com.
unidentified
You honeydicking me?
joe rogan
Motherboard.vice.com, rather.
tom papa
Back to the big house with you.
unidentified
Yeah, honey hole in you.
joe rogan
Listen, I gotta get the fuck out of here, so let's wrap this bitch up tight.
tom papa
This was great.
joe rogan
Tom Papa on Twitter, T-O-M-P-A-P-P or P-A? P-A-P-A. Papa.
Yeah, there's no Papa.
It's like da da.
tom papa
It's Italian.
It's not Greek.
It's not Pappas.
joe rogan
Oh, it would be two Ps if it was Greek?
unidentified
Yeah, P-A-P-P-A. P-P-A-P-A-S. One P. Papa.
joe rogan
T-O-M-P-A-P-A. Tom Papa.
And he will be on very soon on This Is Not Happening.
Did we get confirmation?
Is it this week?
tom papa
It's probably this week.
joe rogan
I believe it's this week, too.
tom papa
And I'm touring all over the place.
Go to TomPapa.com for my dates.
unidentified
All over this motherfucker!
joe rogan
Touring all over this motherfucker!
tom papa
I'm coming to you, Florida!
joe rogan
You can see him on The Nick, on Cinemax.
What else?
Anything else people need to know?
tom papa
I'll be in Irvine for Valentine's weekend.
joe rogan
Oh, shit!
unidentified
Yeah!
joe rogan
Oh shit, bitches.
tom papa
Making the lovers laugh.
joe rogan
And Florida?
You said you're going to be in Florida?
tom papa
Yeah, I'm touring.
I'm all over the place.
joe rogan
Good googly moogly.
TomPapa.com.
Brian, you got anything going on?
brian redban
I have a new t-shirt for pre-order.
ShopSquad.tv and then Ice House Thursday and Friday and Comedy Store Thursday.
joe rogan
You make your own shirts?
Boom.
All right, now.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, that's it for the week.
We'll be back next week.
I got a lot of good guests next week.
Brian Cox, the astrophysicist, is going to be on next week.
A lot of other people, too.
I don't want to tell you, but everybody, I got some shit going down.
Oh, Josh McDermott from The Walking Dead is going to be on next week, too.
tom papa
Oh, that's a good one.
joe rogan
Billy Corbin, the director of Cocaine Cowboys 1 and 2, and he's got a new piece that he's working on.
He'll be here next week, too.
Alright, until then, go fuck yourself!
unidentified
Hey!
joe rogan
Put it up your fucking thing there!
We love ya, we love ya, we love ya.
Come on, we're just kidding.
See you soon.
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