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Jan. 28, 2015 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #605 - Barry Rothbart
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unidentified
the Joe Rogan experience Barry Rothbard, ladies and gentlemen.
joe rogan
What's up, dude?
barry rothbart
Oh, nothing.
I'm feeling good.
joe rogan
California weed.
Gotcha, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
A little bit.
That Queens weed is just not the same.
barry rothbart
No, no.
There is no weed in Queens.
Queens is...
You gotta go to the Bronx.
I used to go up to Fordham to get weed.
joe rogan
Queens doesn't have any?
barry rothbart
Where are you from?
joe rogan
Well, I used to...
I was born in New Jersey.
barry rothbart
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
I lived in Boston for most of my young adult life.
When I lived in New York, I lived in New Rochelle, which is outside of Queens.
barry rothbart
But that's like close to where weed is.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I never...
I didn't smoke weed back then.
Very, very rarely.
I didn't really smoke weed until I was 30 living here.
barry rothbart
Right.
I discovered weed and I was just like, man, movies are great.
Who knew?
joe rogan
Ice cream is delicious.
barry rothbart
Who knew that movies were amazing?
joe rogan
Yeah, everything is better.
Everything.
barry rothbart
I was like, oh my god, there's like...
Ben Folds is great.
You know, you're just like...
As soon as you take your first hit of weed, you're just like, oh my god, Ben Folds?
joe rogan
And those are the things that people don't like about people that smoke weed when they talk about it.
unidentified
Like, yeah, oh my god, this movie's amazing.
joe rogan
Oh, look at the sunset.
Shut up.
barry rothbart
But it is.
joe rogan
It is, yeah.
barry rothbart
The sunset's incredible.
joe rogan
That's a weird thing with the people that don't like the effects of pot, because the effects of pot is just like...
You become calmer and, like, super appreciative of everything.
Like, you know, they'll call it, like, stoner talk.
But what it really is, like, recognizing the wonder in things that you ordinarily take for granted.
barry rothbart
You know, I think a lot of that has to do with time dilation because things feel longer.
So I think you're able to appreciate things in the moment a little bit more.
joe rogan
Yeah, definitely possible.
barry rothbart
Because a minute feels like two minutes.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I think there's a bunch of things going on, right?
barry rothbart
No, that's it.
That's the only thing.
brian redban
Why does life seem shorter, though?
It seems like every year goes faster.
Is that because we're so stoned?
And it's like...
It doesn't add up?
joe rogan
No, I think that's just a facet of recognizing how brief it really is.
As you get older and you hit 40, you go, oh Jesus, if everything goes great, I'm at the halfway point.
Like if I don't get cancer, hit by a bus, die in a car accident, like all these different variables that you start to consider and then you realize when you work all day too, you think about how quick a goddamn day goes by.
barry rothbart
You're saying that things slow down when you get older?
brian redban
No, I'm saying you're saying it slows down when you smoke weed and you appreciate everything, but yet life seems like it's going faster at the same time.
barry rothbart
Right.
But as I've gotten older, I've actually been way more appreciative of things.
I don't know why, like in my 20s, I was just like, who cares?
joe rogan
Yeah.
No, I'm way more appreciative too, but I agree with you that time does seem like it's going faster.
brian redban
It's February this weekend.
barry rothbart
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
It's February.
Isn't that amazing?
It was just January.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, it was just July.
It was hot.
It's like a year is not nearly as long as we used to think it was.
And I think part of that also is when you're a kid, you're in fucking school.
And those nine months of classes seem like forever.
It's an eternity.
Because you're forced to do something you don't want to do.
Once you get older and you kind of recognize what that really was, you realize how short a year actually is.
brian redban
But if you ask a 21-year-old right now, is a year long?
And they're like, dude, it's totally long.
I wonder if they feel...
barry rothbart
That's a good impression of a 21-year-old.
joe rogan
Well, it's a percentage of their life, too.
unidentified
Oh, it's great.
It's super long.
joe rogan
Dude, it's so long.
unidentified
That's true, that's true.
joe rogan
If you're 20 years old and, you know, you go through a year.
barry rothbart
Yeah, you see things in a different perspective when you're older.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
You know, you could look back on two years and it's just like, oh my God, like, that two years was nothing.
unidentified
Yeah.
barry rothbart
When you're a kid, you're just like, that's like a third of my life.
Two years.
brian redban
We're time travelers.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, when you're a little kid, like, every year is a huge deal, you know?
That's why you say, like, I'm four and a half.
You know, no one says I'm 24 and a half.
unidentified
That's true.
joe rogan
Imagine if you were dating a girl and you go, how old are you?
And she's like 24 and a half.
You're like, I gotta go.
You're fucking, you're six.
You're like, you have some genetic abnormality that makes you look like you're 24. 24 and a fourth.
Yeah, that's a weird thing about kids today, right?
With this thing that they're saying that hormones in the meat are causing them to reach puberty quicker than ever before, and that girls that are like 12 and 13 years old, they look like women.
brian redban
And they're getting fur.
Have you noticed girls are getting furrier lately?
I think it's from the meat.
joe rogan
Is this your own subject?
barry rothbart
So wait, hold on.
brian redban
Well, have you noticed that?
joe rogan
No.
barry rothbart
So there's hormones in meat that are making kids grow up quicker?
I didn't hear that.
joe rogan
Well, there's a bunch of factors that they believe are making kids grow We have incredibly abundant resources when it comes to food.
barry rothbart
Crazy meat.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
All hormone-filled.
And on top of that, antibiotics.
They're thinking antibiotics are having a weird effect on people because you're absorbing a certain amount of it from the food that you eat.
barry rothbart
Right.
joe rogan
There's a lot of variables.
barry rothbart
Well, when you look back at humans from, like...
A hundred years ago.
Why are they so much smaller?
joe rogan
They didn't have much food.
barry rothbart
Is that it?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was hard to get food back then.
barry rothbart
I don't even mean fat smaller, like just smaller, smaller.
joe rogan
That's a function of having...
unidentified
Bone-wise.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it's not having enough food.
barry rothbart
Right.
joe rogan
You know, when you look at what people can do today, where you just go into a supermarket and you get cold meat, like that wasn't that easy back then.
barry rothbart
Right, right.
joe rogan
There was no freezers.
barry rothbart
I just saw a documentary about the Russian hockey team and they were saying how they came to America for the first time in the 70s.
Like the one that we beat in the 80s.
And they were like, you can get vegetables in the winter?
What does this mean?
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
barry rothbart
How do you get fruit and vegetables when people can't grow them here?
joe rogan
Yeah, our shipping, the ability to get oranges from Florida to New Mexico, it's fucking incredible.
Like, that's never existed in time.
So 100 years ago, they had to eat what was near them.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
joe rogan
And they had the ice house where I'm at tonight in Pasadena was an ice house.
It was a place they would take giant blocks of ice from the Great North.
They would put them on boats.
They would put them in these cargoes that were insulated.
They had these thick walls and steel and all this different stuff to try to encapsulate the cold.
And then they would bring them to Pasadena and you would go and buy ice.
And you would put it in your ice box.
So if you had milk or something like that and you didn't want it to go bad, you want it to last like two days.
No preservatives.
There's just no preservatives.
barry rothbart
You had to just store everything.
joe rogan
Everything, but not only that, everything went quick.
You couldn't, you had to keep shopping.
You had to go to the grocery store like every other day.
barry rothbart
And when are we talking?
When is this?
joe rogan
A hundred years ago.
barry rothbart
A hundred years ago.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So the people that you're looking at, these little tiny, like Civil War people, men were like 125 pounds.
That was like the average size for a man.
barry rothbart
It's crazy.
Everybody's always comparing what if current athletes played athletes from the 60s.
It would destroy them.
joe rogan
It would be such a slaughter fest.
barry rothbart
People are bigger, faster, even without steroids.
There would be a few people that would It's always crazy when people are just like, well, what if Wilt Chamberlain went against LeBron James?
And it's like, not even a contest.
joe rogan
But, if Wilt Chamberlain was still a giant man, the other thing is, if Wilt Chamberlain lived today...
barry rothbart
They didn't have the speed, they didn't have the...
The game is so quicker and different in every sport.
joe rogan
But, don't you think that they...
Like, Wilt Chamberlain was a super athlete.
He was a big, tall, strong dude.
So if he just got involved in the same sort of strength and conditioning programs that today's modern athletes get involved with...
Understood nutrition, recovery, all the different shit that Kobe Bryant does.
Kobe Bryant was one of the first guys to go to Germany and get that blood-spinning procedure.
barry rothbart
I know.
joe rogan
He was on top of the cryogenic thing, too, before anybody.
He goes to those 250 degree below zero booths for like three minutes.
barry rothbart
Which, why is that legal if steroids aren't?
joe rogan
Well, it's not as good.
That's why.
It's pretty good, but it's not just steroids.
Steroids turn you into a super person.
But what these guys can do today with all that is partially why they're so good.
And also that people imitate their atmosphere.
If you're around a bunch of Michael Jordans, it elevates the game.
It's not that the physical capabilities of the elite athletes are that much different.
barry rothbart
I think you have to be better.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
You look at the people who came before you and you're not going to be like, well, I'll settle for half of what they did.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
You're going to be like, I've got to be better than that.
joe rogan
Could you imagine if Babe Ruth came back and tried to compete against Jose Canseco when Jose Canseco was in his juicin' prime or Mark McGuire?
barry rothbart
First of all, I feel like Babe Ruth would be brought up on rape charges immediately.
unidentified
Immediately.
barry rothbart
He would be the Bill Cosby of baseball.
Like, that was probably just like, oh yeah, of course!
She said no!
You're on the Yankees!
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, I think rape was probably like super-duper-duper common, you know, a thousand years ago.
Like, almost everybody raped.
I guarantee you, you can go back to a point of like really primitive man when it was unbelievably common.
And I think that's like one of the things that people are freaking out about today.
Like when, you know, this whole argument about rape culture and discussion about rape jokes and all this.
barry rothbart
Just thinking like in a court, like how funny of a defense that would be.
Go back a hundred years ago, man.
unidentified
It's totally normal.
joe rogan
So I have a slave.
Dude, do you not know how this country was founded?
You know, that's like the Second Amendment argument, you know?
This country's founded the right to bear arms.
It's also founded by people that own slaves.
barry rothbart
Right.
joe rogan
Like, those people you worship were slave owners.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
And it was founded by people who couldn't fit in in Europe.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
You know, people who just were like, I don't, you know, I'm the weirdo here.
joe rogan
And people that were so fucking fed up that they got in a boat with no vegetables and they went across the ocean.
barry rothbart
No vegetables, no energy bars, nothing.
joe rogan
A lot of them got sick as fuck.
People died on that trip.
I mean, that's a long trip with shitty, shitty food.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
joe rogan
What did they eat back then?
Like beef, turkey and stuff?
Like, what could they preserve?
unidentified
Fish.
Fish.
joe rogan
They probably just ate fish, right?
barry rothbart
Did they catch fish?
Is that proven?
joe rogan
They would have to try to catch fish.
Why would you not?
You're in the ocean.
brian redban
That would be crazy.
barry rothbart
I would assume grain.
Probably a lot of grain.
joe rogan
Well, they're also always traveling, too.
When you're fishing, presumably, even if you're trolling, which means pulling behind, I would imagine the boat would be going faster than that if it's got oars and sails, those big crazy fucking sails.
How about they're going faster than you would want to troll for?
So you're not going to slow down on the off chance that you catch a fish.
barry rothbart
What's trolling?
joe rogan
Trolling is like when they take a line and they pull it behind a boat with a hook and a flashy lure and the fish see it and they think it's a fish trying to swim away and they chase after it and they eat it.
It's instinctive.
They can't help themselves.
That's great.
Yeah, it's a boring way of fishing.
barry rothbart
I just went deep sea fishing in Redondo Beach this weekend.
joe rogan
We just dropped a line down?
barry rothbart
Yeah, and I had a really bad experience.
I caught a pelican, a live pelican, because I didn't drop it quick enough, and the pelicans will go for it.
unidentified
Boom!
barry rothbart
I caught like I think a 50-pound pelican like this pelican was gigantic and they had to like some dude some captain dude came out he's like I got this and he pulled the pelican out by his beak out of the water and had to like cut the hook off so he's just like living with a hook in him now.
joe rogan
I had the same thing happen once with a seal.
A seal stole.
A seal or a sea lion?
One of those fucking things.
I was fishing with these guys, these camera dudes from news radio.
They were big time fishermen.
They'd go out every weekend.
barry rothbart
The show?
joe rogan
Yeah.
And I'm like, alright, one day I was like, come on, let's go, let's go.
So we all went out fishing.
I fucking didn't catch any fish, but I caught a fucking seal.
brian redban
Did you take it?
joe rogan
No, we had to cut the line.
It was so awful.
Like, it's a mammal.
It's got a hook in its mouth.
barry rothbart
It's got, like, a personality.
joe rogan
It's a testament to the intelligence of dolphins, because you never hear about someone accidentally catching a dolphin.
brian redban
Maybe that's what they used to eat back in the day, though.
They would just get one big dolphin and feed, like, 20 people.
They might have ate dolphins or bigger fish instead of trying to catch these smaller fish.
joe rogan
Well, people definitely killed dolphins, but they would never...
Have you seen The Cove?
Yeah, I mean, they kill and eat dolphins, for sure.
They always have been.
But they don't catch them with hooks.
I mean, you'd have to, like, you'd have to jig them, which means, like, you'd have to pass, throw the hook over their body, and pull on it, like, catch their body.
They're not going to willingly bite a fake fish.
They're too smart.
brian redban
No, but dolphins are so nice, they probably came up with, like, hey, can we help you guys?
And they're just like...
joe rogan
Yeah, there's definitely been some of that.
barry rothbart
Hey, what's up, guys?
You need help?
brian redban
They probably ate cuter things back in the day.
Like, you know, things that usually you're like, oh, look, a seal or like a little baby sea lion.
You know, back then that was like, no, that's like turkey dinner for like three weeks for our village or something.
barry rothbart
Yeah, we think things are too cute now.
We gotta get over how cute things are.
brian redban
Is that the first bird that you almost killed?
Have you killed a bird before?
barry rothbart
I've never killed a bird.
Even killing a fish is weird.
I'm not from the country where I grew up killing anything.
Killing things are weird.
I don't know.
I feel weird killing bugs sometimes.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a weird thing.
barry rothbart
I just feel weird.
It's like weird to take a life, but you know, you gotta, you know, I gotta eat, right?
joe rogan
But it's even weirder that we have somebody else do it, like a supermarket hitman.
barry rothbart
Oh yeah, I'm cool with that.
joe rogan
That's the weirdest part about it though, isn't it?
barry rothbart
It is, and it's cool.
joe rogan
Well, it is cool.
Well, it's cool to be able to get, like, to just be able to go to the store and they have lamb.
You know, the fucking amount of effort you would have to go through to get a sheep and kill it and butcher it and chop up the pieces.
barry rothbart
Raise it and then kill it?
joe rogan
Fuck.
barry rothbart
You gotta be friends with it for a while?
joe rogan
So these people who are doing it are doing us a huge service.
But there's also a weirdness with people.
If you don't think of yourself as being a killer, even while you're wearing leather shoes, you've got a belt on that's made out of alligators.
barry rothbart
We're wearing Nike that's made by Filipino kids with bloody fingers.
joe rogan
No fingernails.
barry rothbart
Chapped lips.
We can't think about this stuff.
joe rogan
Dehydrated.
barry rothbart
That's like the contract we make when we're like, we want to live in a society where we have convenience, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I was listening to this Radiolab podcast about cities, and they were talking about the hectic, crazy pace of cities.
And they were saying that the pace is directly mathematically related to how many people live in the city.
barry rothbart
The pace?
joe rogan
The pace.
The pace of the way you talk.
The amount of syllables per second, the amount of steps per minute that you take when you're walking, directly related to the population of the city.
It was amazing.
They broke it down as a mathematical equation with these physicists.
They thought this through and they've done all these tests where they called people, they called post offices, they called and they set up Like waypoints, like here's like the start, here's the beginning, and they measured everybody who walks through that waypoint, like an unknown waypoint.
They had no idea they were being studied.
They put a piece of string down on the ground.
They tied it to one post and another post.
So they had an arbitrary beginning start time and end time.
And these people would walk through it, and they would count in every city what is the average number.
So this guy walked, you know, 20 feet per second or whatever.
This guy walked 15. And they would figure out how many steps, and they would throw it all into a computer.
And they found out that it's directly proportional to how many people live in the area.
brian redban
He's the fastest walkers, do you remember?
joe rogan
Well, I didn't pay attention.
I was just fascinated.
They were just reading out a bunch of numbers.
brian redban
I should be skinny, though.
You know, because wouldn't LA be one of the most per-kappa people that live in the city and the most people in the per-city, right?
What do you imagine?
barry rothbart
I'd say LA is probably skinny.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of people in LA, but...
LA is also spread out, but you shouldn't be skinny because of what you fucking eat and drink.
That's so dumb that you think that way.
I walk so much.
If you walk a mile a day, you're probably sprain your ankle.
brian redban
I just don't think I'm a fast walker.
joe rogan
You're not a fast walker.
barry rothbart
You have to walk a lot, I think, to actually lose weight from it.
I would assume.
Sometimes I got into biking at some point and I was like, here we go.
Here comes the exercise.
Do you know how little exercise biking is?
You have to ride like 25 miles a day to get like a really good workout.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a lot of risk.
25 miles is 25 miles of possibility.
brian redban
A lot of risk.
joe rogan
25 miles of possibility where cars can hit you.
barry rothbart
Lions.
Cars.
joe rogan
Talk a lion, man.
I'm talking about real things.
barry rothbart
Cars, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, mountain lions are a problem with people who dirt bike ride.
barry rothbart
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, they say it's like rolling a ball of yarn past a cat.
You know, a cat can't resist themselves.
When they see a mountain back go by, it's like they think it's trying to run from them.
barry rothbart
I hear they're fine with people, though, like hikers and stuff.
Is that true?
joe rogan
No.
No.
No, they're not.
barry rothbart
There's, like, mountain lions in Griffith.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
And, like, I go hiking there.
Am I at risk?
joe rogan
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
I mean, most likely the mountain lion's gonna stay clear of you because they've learned over the years that when you fuck with people, you usually get killed.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
joe rogan
So they develop these instincts to stay shy of people.
But...
If the wrong mountain lion with a sprained ankle finds you, and you're there when it's hungry, and it says, fuck it, I'm not starving to death, and it just takes you down, that can happen too.
It doesn't happen that often.
barry rothbart
The jury's kind of out on how you deal with a mountain lion attack, right?
It's not the same as a bear.
You don't play dead, right?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no.
You fight back.
unidentified
You fight back.
barry rothbart
You punch it in the face.
joe rogan
You fight back.
barry rothbart
Or is that a shark?
joe rogan
Well, you do whatever you can.
If you can punch it, punch it.
barry rothbart
You do whatever you can.
joe rogan
You want to make it so that it's worried about being injured by...
unidentified
Do you get big?
joe rogan
Yes.
Okay, you get big, yell.
barry rothbart
Yell.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're supposed to jump your arms up in the air, but oddly enough, you're not supposed to make eye contact with it.
barry rothbart
Sounds like my sex life.
That's a terrible joke.
Sorry, guys.
brian redban
Take off your shirt, make it into a ball, and throw it.
barry rothbart
I pretend to be really big.
I throw my shirt.
brian redban
I would do cat things, I think, because it's still a cat.
joe rogan
Do that with a cat that's going...
barry rothbart
That's terrifying, man.
joe rogan
They're not going to let you roll a ball past them.
barry rothbart
They don't give a fuck about that ball.
Large cats are so terrifying to me.
joe rogan
Mountain lions are awful.
If you get bitten by one, they're awful.
barry rothbart
Have you gotten bitten by one?
joe rogan
No.
barry rothbart
I can see that you fought a mountain lion at some point.
joe rogan
You can see that?
barry rothbart
I can see that.
joe rogan
A guy in Cupertino, his six-year-old kid got attacked right in front of him.
They were walking on a trail.
That's where Apple is.
Mountain lion jumps out, bites a kid.
barry rothbart
There's mountain lions, like, in Hollywood.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
I saw a fox on the street in Hollywood.
brian redban
What?
barry rothbart
A fox just walking around.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
barry rothbart
In Los Feliz.
brian redban
I'm sure it wasn't a cougar?
barry rothbart
I don't know.
brian redban
Are you talking about a real fox?
barry rothbart
Yeah, a real fox.
joe rogan
Yeah, they have real foxes.
brian redban
In LA? Yeah, they're very, very rare.
barry rothbart
What do you mean, like a fake fox?
joe rogan
He was trying to say, like, foxy lady.
barry rothbart
No, no.
Oh, yeah, I saw a real foxy lady.
brian redban
I thought you were saying that.
joe rogan
I saw this thing was a fox.
barry rothbart
I saw this real fox in Los Feliz.
brian redban
No, I didn't think that foxes were in LA. Isn't that funny?
barry rothbart
Like a fox walking around.
My friend's cat just got eaten by coyotes.
joe rogan
That happens all the time.
Yeah.
barry rothbart
Wow.
brian redban
Did you see there was a article showing frozen people and animals and people that have died from being frozen?
Like a lot of the homeless people just like sitting there on like a park bench frozen.
But one thing was interesting was a Jamie, they have a fox frozen in water.
It's a fox that was trying to cross this water and it just froze like mid thing.
joe rogan
There's an elk that was frozen standing up and the coyotes ate it while it was standing up.
So it's like just skeletons standing up in a field stuck in the snow and ice.
brian redban
It's so creepy.
The homeless people.
There was one guy with his eyes wide open looking.
Look at this bottom one right there.
barry rothbart
Why is its eye so messed up?
brian redban
Because it's frozen.
joe rogan
It's super cold.
barry rothbart
I'm actually, you know what, I'm cool with animals that die naturally in the wild.
joe rogan
They all die naturally.
Everything is, you know, it'd be unnatural if they stayed alive.
barry rothbart
Unless this has to do with global warming, I'm fine with it.
Can we prove that this has nothing to do with global warming?
joe rogan
What are your thoughts on global warming?
barry rothbart
Love it.
unidentified
Are you happy?
barry rothbart
Huge fan.
My thoughts on it.
You know what?
I mean, it's hard to deny that something fucked up is happening right now, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, pretty hard to deny.
barry rothbart
Yeah, I definitely believe that we've fucked things up.
joe rogan
I don't know if we have.
I think we certainly have done a lot of damage as far as pollution and Particulates, but I listen to people that say that they know that we have done it and I believe them and I trust them.
barry rothbart
You mean scientists?
joe rogan
Yeah, but I don't know.
You know, I have no idea.
I'm an idiot.
barry rothbart
Why don't we believe scientists on that?
joe rogan
Well, I certainly do.
I mean, what I'm saying is I don't know what the fuck is going on.
I'm listening to them and they're making a lot of sense and I would always go towards the scientists, but I have no idea Like whether or not people are actually causing global warming or whether or not global warming is going to be the sky is falling moment that 2000 wasn't or that 2012 wasn't.
I don't know.
barry rothbart
I just feel like it's so scary that we are just like, I don't want to deal with that right now.
joe rogan
You think so?
barry rothbart
Yeah, I think it's like one of these things where in order to actually deal with it, we'd have to be way more scared.
Right now.
Because every time a report comes out, scientists are just like, yeah, it's going to be all over in like 20 years.
joe rogan
But didn't they say that about AIDS, too?
barry rothbart
That AIDS would be over in 20 years?
joe rogan
Remember, we'd all be dead by 97 or something like that?
unidentified
Did they say that?
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
There were some doom and gloom motherfuckers back when Magic Johnson came out with AIDS. That's when everybody fucking panicked.
Because it was like a zombie movie where the president goes on TV and tells you he's a zombie.
I'm sorry, I'm gonna become a zombie in a couple days.
Like, what?
Like, Magic Johnson?
barry rothbart
Magic Johnson was the king.
He's a celebrity!
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's a fucking huge super athlete.
He's one of the best basketball players of all time.
barry rothbart
It would be like if LeBron came out with global warming.
unidentified
Yeah.
barry rothbart
Like, he just was like, I have global warming.
joe rogan
Oh my god, LeBron's got global warming.
brian redban
Is there any positive things about AIDS, though?
Besides weight loss and stuff like that, is there anything positive to look at it?
Because I know so many people that have AIDS now.
unidentified
Well, they don't have AIDS. They have HIV. Positive?
barry rothbart
You probably get to do a lot of interviews.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, I've seen this, there was some scientific study they did where they injected a sick person with HIV, like the HIV to combat some other disease, like it was an inert form of HIV that could infect them.
barry rothbart
Yeah, I did hear that.
joe rogan
Did you hear about that?
barry rothbart
Didn't we cure it?
joe rogan
Well, this is what they're trying to do now.
They're trying to, this is like some radical new form of therapy for certain diseases, like in cancer even.
They're injecting diseases into the disease so that the disease fights the cancer.
barry rothbart
It might be the other way around.
I think cancer can defeat AIDS. Really?
It's like Freddy vs.
Jason.
joe rogan
It's rock, paper, scissors of diseases.
unidentified
You would never think a paper would beat a rock, but it does.
barry rothbart
That's true.
I'm not even kidding.
I think that there's something like if you inject a certain type of cancer into an AIDS cell, it just goes like, it just fucking kills the AIDS. Well, there's no AIDS cell, right?
joe rogan
There's T cells that are bad, and it's your immune system that's shot.
So with AIDS, it'll be really hard.
I think you're reversing it.
barry rothbart
Yeah, it's not.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
But there's like an actual, like, you could see what AIDS looks like.
There's like a photo of AIDS. If you want to bring something up on Google, photo of AIDS. There's a photo of the virus, right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Can they find that and isolate it in your body?
I know that they did the HIV thing with a tumor because they could find the tumor and then just shoot something into it.
brian redban
So you could possibly put HIV and herpes and have HIV instead of herpes and some people would actually probably rather have that.
barry rothbart
Who would want that?
brian redban
I don't know.
Herpes is...
joe rogan
Well, are those drugs you have to take, those protease inhibitors, are those really bad for your body?
For AIDS? Yeah, the HIV. Oh, yeah.
barry rothbart
I mean, I don't know if they're as bad anymore.
I hear AIDS belly is a thing now.
You get, like, AIDS belly.
I'm not kidding.
joe rogan
Brian, stand up.
brian redban
Is that four of cum?
This is AIDS belly.
barry rothbart
No, no.
There were all these ads all over New York at some point that were like, are you dealing with AIDS belly?
joe rogan
Get the fuck out of here.
barry rothbart
Swear to God.
There's a thing.
Call in if you guys have AIDS belly.
joe rogan
That might be one of those things that someone created as a marketing ploy.
I'm trying to sell my ab regimen and it's not working.
barry rothbart
Drink Gatorade.
joe rogan
Tell people they have AIDS belly.
brian redban
Do you suffer from AIDS belly?
barry rothbart
I thought that was a real commercial for a second.
Yeah, I... I do too.
I think it's the pills that distend your belly.
I don't know.
joe rogan
We know a dude who has HIV. He's fine.
Yeah.
I do too.
I've known several people that got it, and I was like, man, how much longer?
I don't know.
Is it the same guy?
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
We'll talk later.
I don't want to out somebody.
barry rothbart
Magic Johnson.
joe rogan
No!
I know an actual person that I actually know.
And, you know, he's fine.
I just don't understand how we thought that it was going to kill everybody.
Well, I guess I understand.
Scientists figured out a way to cure most of the issues that come along with that disease.
So what was a death sentence?
barry rothbart
Well, you're all, I'm assuming, and I don't know this person you know, but I'm assuming that they are of the middle class and they are, like, they're not, like, a poor, poverty-stricken person, right?
joe rogan
He's not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination.
No.
He's actually probably pretty poor.
It's all paid for by insurance.
barry rothbart
I assume people still do die of AIDS, right?
joe rogan
That's the question.
We were actually asking this the other night.
When was the last time you heard about someone dying of AIDS? It used to be Freddie Mercury died of AIDS. Holy shit, Freddie Mercury?
Fuck!
There was always these people that were dying of AIDS. You don't hear that anymore.
barry rothbart
Right.
Definitely not high-profile people.
joe rogan
I don't even know about low-profile.
We don't know, so let's just take a guess.
How many AIDS deaths per year would you...
brian redban
2014. Let's say 2014. They might be adding like 2009 in it.
I would say...
$70,000.
$60,000.
barry rothbart
This is like a really dark price is right.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
That many?
brian redban
Yeah.
barry rothbart
$60,000?
brian redban
I would say maybe even higher.
joe rogan
In the U.S.? Okay, let's say the U.S. because here's where it gets funky when they start counting Africa.
And one of the reasons why it gets funky is because if you say there's HIV... Oh, you're thinking of the world.
I thought you meant USA. USA. Let's just go with USA. Because if you go with the world, the real problem with the world is, as it's been explained to me, in Africa, they can get funding from AIDS organizations if someone has HIV. They will say, you know, this person is getting AIDS. They're testing positive for AIDS. And this is like, there's X amount of AIDS cases.
But they might not have HIV. And they're not going to test them for it.
They might have a bunch of different diseases.
Like in Africa, you could have a whole host of different diseases that destroy your immune system.
So they might have HIV, but they also might have a bunch of other shit.
That's what I was going to say.
barry rothbart
Like, you die of pneumonia.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
When they say 30,000, when they say those numbers in Africa, what's been explained to me by legit scientists is that it's possible that you have to consider that those people don't all have HIV. It might be unrelated illnesses that's causing their immune system to get destroyed.
Some of them might have HIV, but some of them might have cancers and toxic poisoning.
Who knows?
There could be a lot of other issues.
They're just seeing people who have AIDS. They're not testing every single person that they throw into this grand number.
But that's not in the U.S. Not in the U.S. So in the U.S., yeah, that's what I was saying.
Let's go with the U.S., not worldwide.
What do you want to say?
barry rothbart
I'm going to say 20,000.
joe rogan
Okay, I say 12. I say 60. How many people in the US died of AIDS in 2014?
An estimated 1.5 million people died from AIDS in 2013. 39 million people have died worldwide.
barry rothbart
Oh my god, we're so dumb.
What's wrong with us?
joe rogan
An estimated 1.5 million people.
barry rothbart
I feel so dumb right now.
joe rogan
This is worldwide.
barry rothbart
Oh, worldwide.
unidentified
Okay.
brian redban
Africa is 90%.
joe rogan
But still.
barry rothbart
1.4 in Africa.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
Sub-Saharan Africa, here it is.
Sub-Saharan Africa has the biggest burden of HIV-AIDS with almost 70% of the global total of new HIV infections.
But that's HIV. Hmm.
Death.
They're not saying AIDS. You've got to say in the U.S. AIDS-related deaths in the U.S. In 2010, HIV was the seventh leading cause of death.
Huh.
barry rothbart
That sounds like a lot of people.
joe rogan
1.1 million people in the U.S. right now are living with HIV. Oh, here we go.
I was right.
The estimated deaths, 13,834.
barry rothbart
Wow, you were closest.
joe rogan
Yeah, and that was in 2011. You know, that sounds like a lot, right?
That's a lot of people.
barry rothbart
I mean, that's a lot of people.
joe rogan
Still a lot of people.
barry rothbart
If it's the seventh...
brian redban
Yeah, but look at something like pneumonia or even chicken pox or how many people die a year from just anything.
barry rothbart
How many people die of alcohol?
You know, things like that.
brian redban
Number one.
joe rogan
Oh, that's giant.
That's 70,000.
70,000 plus in America every year.
barry rothbart
Every year.
joe rogan
Just directly from drinking themselves to death.
barry rothbart
Yeah, but that's not even like car-related deaths from alcohol.
joe rogan
That's not domestic violence, murder.
barry rothbart
How many from pot?
Zero.
joe rogan
Yeah, zero.
There's probably been some people that have done some stupid shit that's caused them to die because they were on pot.
brian redban
Dabs.
joe rogan
If you smoked pot and then just drove off the fucking bridge because you spaced and you drowned, does pot take that hit?
barry rothbart
Are there numbers?
I don't think there are numbers on that.
joe rogan
Must be.
There must be.
barry rothbart
Because I've never heard that in all these anti-legalization arguments.
I've never heard those numbers.
joe rogan
Well, it's probably not nearly as prevalent because it doesn't affect your motor skills the way alcohol does.
Everybody knows across the board that if you drink, you get drunk, you're compromised.
But pot doesn't really compromise you physically.
So the numbers are going to be way different.
Alcohol is like 100%.
You pull people over and they're drunk, they're not driving as good.
It's 100%.
If you've had seven drinks and you get in the car, you just don't drive as good as you do when you're sober.
It's 100%.
But there's people that can get high as fuck and get in a car and drive excellent.
And there's no issue at all.
barry rothbart
I was driving really poorly.
On really high.
joe rogan
They've actually done studies.
They've done tests on people.
No recognizable issues, except when they get too high.
But these people are probably rookies.
They're getting these rookies that don't get high, and they're getting them too high, and they're turning corners, and they panic in the mid-corner.
barry rothbart
You know what happens when I get really high and I drive?
I forget I'm driving for a few minutes.
You're driving, and your mind is wandering to something else.
You've got the Ben Folds album on.
joe rogan
But yeah, that's true.
brian redban
That's scary, too, because you always think, like, what was I doing for, like, the last ten minutes?
Was I even, like, awake at this time?
joe rogan
Too loud?
barry rothbart
My headphones went out.
joe rogan
Oh, it went out?
barry rothbart
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know that weird thing that people do where you're in the middle of doing something?
You go, whoa, how the fuck did I get here?
Like, how did I zone out and autopilot all the way home?
Like, took all the turns, and then you're driving up the street.
barry rothbart
No.
You mean drunk?
joe rogan
Totally sober.
Just space out, but do everything correctly.
I've done that before.
unidentified
Oh, I do that.
barry rothbart
I forget why I went into a certain room of my apartment a lot.
Like, I'll just be like, I gotta go to the kitchen, and I'll be in the kitchen, and I'll be like, What did I need in the kitchen?
joe rogan
But you remember walking in there.
barry rothbart
I guess.
joe rogan
Sometimes when I'm driving, I went like miles, and I'm like, oh, I'm already past this spot.
brian redban
Yeah, and it sucks because when you come out of realizing that, you're like, am I still in it?
Am I still driving?
Like, you're still kind of trying to catch up to the now because you're thinking so much, like trying to figure out what you were doing in the past that you're not even...
barry rothbart
I mean, in the shower all the time, I'll just shower everything and forget that I've washed anything.
I'll be like, did I wash any part of my body?
And then all of a sudden I'll be like, oh, I guess.
And then I'll just shower again.
brian redban
Or you forgot that you forgot to wash the butthole and then you have to turn the shower back on and have a cold wash.
barry rothbart
If people who don't smoke pot have these problems.
joe rogan
Everybody does.
unidentified
Everybody does.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the things they say to cure Alzheimer's or to prevent it as much as possible.
You're supposed to take different routes to work.
Supposed to drive different ways.
barry rothbart
To prevent Alzheimer's?
joe rogan
Yeah, not to prevent it, but to slow down the onset if it's coming.
barry rothbart
Oh, if you have it.
joe rogan
They say that when people go and do the same thing every day in the exact same order, there's no unusual input.
So your brain just recognizes it almost on a subconscious level and never has to process.
Like, I don't have to process.
I get that.
I get this.
So it becomes atrophied.
barry rothbart
Yeah, I feel that.
I feel creatively atrophied when I don't meet new people or I don't see a new place.
If you're just seeing the same people every day, you just feel like your mind is dying.
joe rogan
Yeah, you get bored.
You just get locked into the same experience over and over and over again.
Yeah.
Driving around, I think probably moving to a new fucking place would be really smart for us, too.
I mean, that's what we all were designed for.
We're designed.
We're hunter-gatherers.
barry rothbart
That's our DNA. I think about, too, and you tour all the time, and I travel on the road to do stand-up, and it's like, I wonder what that does to my mind, to have to get used to a city for four days and be alone.
Like, that's a weird thing.
joe rogan
The alone thing's weird.
barry rothbart
It's so weird.
I go so many days where I don't talk to anyone, and the first time I talk to people is an hour of stand-up.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
Like, that's like crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
What does that do to your brain?
joe rogan
It's not good.
barry rothbart
It can't be, right?
joe rogan
Well, a lot of comics get depressed when they do The Road.
barry rothbart
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I figured out a way to stop that early.
barry rothbart
What do you do?
joe rogan
Bring your friends.
barry rothbart
I want to.
joe rogan
I bring friends on the road with me.
barry rothbart
Well, you're at the point where you could get openers.
They don't let me bring openers.
joe rogan
I did it back then.
That's the only way I did it.
You demanded it.
Yeah, I've been doing it that way since the 90s.
barry rothbart
It is so much more fun when they let me do it.
joe rogan
I just tell them.
I go, look, I'm going to bring you a great comic.
I'm going to give you a great show.
I'll pay for his airfare.
I took the hit financially to bring guys out.
It's way better.
There's a difference between making 500 extra bucks and being miserable and lonely or having 500 less bucks and hanging out with your friend.
And it's good for them, too, because it gives these guys who might be landlocked in L.A. I take them on the road, expose them to these clubs, and they kill.
Like Hinchcliffe, I took him to the comedy works in Denver, and then he got booked as a headliner after he opened for me.
So it was like, you can do that, and you can get guys in the door that way, too.
barry rothbart
Yeah, it's great.
I love to bring people.
bobby green
You've just got to force your agent into doing it for you.
joe rogan
Just tell them, this is the show.
barry rothbart
It just keeps you from just needing to masturbate all day.
All day, man.
joe rogan
That's where you're wrong.
It doesn't keep you from doing that.
barry rothbart
That's where you're wrong.
joe rogan
You're going to do it anyway.
Hey, man, I forgot something back in my room.
Guy's knocking on your door ten minutes later.
Are we still going to have lunch?
Hey, I'm still...
I can't find...
brian redban
I went back to the Fleshlight the other day, and I was like, why did I leave this?
This is way better.
barry rothbart
I've never done a Fleshlight.
joe rogan
Yeah, we used to have it as a sponsor.
barry rothbart
Oh, I never.
joe rogan
One of our earliest sponsors.
barry rothbart
Can I get one?
joe rogan
Are they expensive?
We had a box of them.
Do we still have a box from here?
Did I bring a box in?
Yeah?
See if you can find one for them.
barry rothbart
Did you see that video where they interviewed the girl who's the model for the Fleshlight?
joe rogan
The model.
There's like a hundred models.
brian redban
Are there?
joe rogan
I don't know.
barry rothbart
Maybe they lied about that, but they said it was her vagina.
joe rogan
Oh, she's probably shit.
It doesn't look like a vagina in there.
It looks like some sort of an octopus thing.
barry rothbart
I think she's like Romanian or something.
She's like, I'm so proud.
It's my vagina.
joe rogan
That was one of those local news pieces where they go, this is what we're going to tell you.
We're going to tell you that the fleshlight is the 10th anniversary of being modeled.
unidentified
There you go.
joe rogan
He's got one for you.
brian redban
Oh, that's the good one.
It looks like a beer can, so you can just keep it in the fridge.
barry rothbart
Look at this.
joe rogan
Look at those lips.
brian redban
That's a mouth one, too.
joe rogan
Oh, it's a mouth one?
Rubber mouth.
barry rothbart
It looks like a can.
joe rogan
I literally had some sponsors or some guests that told me, I can't be on an episode where you do that.
Like Sam Harris, first time he came on.
It was like one of the stipulations.
barry rothbart
What?
joe rogan
We couldn't have that as a sponsor on the episode that he was on.
barry rothbart
Why?
joe rogan
Because he didn't want to be associated with a rubber vagina.
barry rothbart
Why?
That's so crazy.
joe rogan
Because he's a neuroscientist and an author and a respected intellectual.
barry rothbart
Oh, that's crazy.
brian redban
Couldn't you just not do it on that episode then?
joe rogan
That's what I did.
That's what I did.
brian redban
Do you miss them?
I miss them.
joe rogan
What?
You miss who?
brian redban
Fleshlight.
They were so fun to talk about all the time.
joe rogan
No, I don't miss.
We said as much as we could have ever said.
barry rothbart
What would you say is the biggest advantage to using a flashlight?
brian redban
It doesn't feel like your hand.
It feels like...
I mean, if you put the right lotion on it, it actually feels pretty good.
It's crazy.
I haven't done it in a long time, so I was like, oh my god, this is...
barry rothbart
It just got grossed out a little bit.
joe rogan
You should.
barry rothbart
It's gross.
joe rogan
I just felt a little gross.
They designed some sort of a rubbery, I don't know what they actually use.
It's almost like a food-based thing.
I think it's like gelatin-based.
But it feels like human flesh.
It's way better than your hand.
Because your hand, you feel.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
Your hand sends signals.
barry rothbart
I do have times where I'm like, there needs to be more.
I need more out of this.
I don't know what I need to do differently.
joe rogan
That's a commitment, though.
Fuck that thing.
Because you've got to wash it afterwards.
You feel like a loser.
unidentified
You've got to wash it!
joe rogan
You shoot a load into this fucking rubber tube.
You're like, what is wrong with me?
barry rothbart
I just want to get to the point financially where I can just throw it out.
You can totally do that.
And just get a new one.
joe rogan
How much did they cost?
Well, they're like $50.
barry rothbart
That's rich to me.
brian redban
They're pretty expensive.
But when we were getting them for free, I used to do that.
I got crazy.
I'd be like, I'll just leave it on the nightstand, and then two days later, I'm like, you know what?
I'm just throwing this away.
joe rogan
Yeah, you don't want to watch four-day-old cum out of your fleshlight.
barry rothbart
I'll just have my girlfriend do it.
joe rogan
I'll just hire a housekeeper.
No, no, no, you don't have to vacuum.
barry rothbart
Just the flashlight.
joe rogan
Just clean these things.
There's a box of them.
There's like a hamper full by the bed.
barry rothbart
There's a great video in like, I think it's like local news in China, where they see one of these in like a puddle of water and they think it's a new fish.
brian redban
Oh yeah, yeah.
barry rothbart
That they've discovered a species of fish.
brian redban
Yeah, that was hilarious.
joe rogan
I don't believe that.
unidentified
It's true, man.
barry rothbart
I think that's another one of those marketing things.
He says it, it's true.
brian redban
No, it was on the news.
That's how I found out it was on the news.
joe rogan
Oh, well, it was on the news.
It has to be true.
brian redban
When you see it, though, it looks like a fish.
joe rogan
There's no way.
There's the photo of HIV. Whoa.
HIV looks like weed.
Hold on, back up.
barry rothbart
It does.
joe rogan
Did you pull that up earlier?
barry rothbart
I asked him to, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I didn't see that.
I wasn't looking.
barry rothbart
That's what HIV looks like.
joe rogan
Did you show us this, Jamie?
barry rothbart
Yeah, they took that photo.
The one on the bottom left looks like weed.
unidentified
They do, they do.
joe rogan
Oh my god, it looks exactly like weed.
brian redban
AIDS is weed.
barry rothbart
That's how they convince the other cells to attach it.
They're like, it's just weed, man.
joe rogan
It looks like the geodome that Pauly Shore and Stephen Baldwin were in, but it's covered by weed donuts.
brian redban
Wow.
barry rothbart
It's covered by, like, fleshlights.
joe rogan
Remember Biodome?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's like their Biodome, but it's green.
Oh my god.
Look at the one up top.
Look at the one above that, Jamie.
Go up there.
That one with the blue strings.
What the fuck?
Why is that one so different looking?
I don't know.
unidentified
Smoke age.
joe rogan
What said that in the article, it said HIV is evolving?
What is it saying, Jamie?
That's crazy.
Click on it again.
Evolving to be less deadly.
Whoa!
That's fascinating.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Because it likes us.
He's tired of being rude.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's tired of killing all those nice gay people.
They're becoming more PC. Well, I realize there's just less flair in the world when all those gay people start dropping like flies.
brian redban
Well, to be honest, the guy that wrote this article only has one eye so maybe he read something wrong.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
And he's a contributor.
He's not a writer.
brian redban
Yeah, he's not a writer.
joe rogan
Oh.
Well, let's see the image.
Look at the image of that thing.
unidentified
God.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Organisms like that, like diseases.
barry rothbart
This is a weird article.
joe rogan
So terrifying.
Because there are these thoughtless little life forms that will take over your life and, on a huge percentage of people, kill them.
You know, like, the amount of flu deaths every year?
You ever pay attention to the amount of flu deaths?
barry rothbart
Yeah, it's a lot.
joe rogan
It should scare the fucking shit out of you.
barry rothbart
I've never gotten a flu shot, though, and I've never gotten the flu.
brian redban
What?
Never had the flu?
unidentified
Never?
barry rothbart
Never ever had the flu.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
barry rothbart
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
What do you eat?
Are you, like, super healthy with your diet?
barry rothbart
No.
I'm actually the opposite.
I'm very, very unhealthy in my diet.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
barry rothbart
I never got the flu.
Never got a flu shot, either.
joe rogan
Dude, so much to bottle you.
barry rothbart
I wonder what that is.
joe rogan
You have excellent genes, probably.
You have an excellent immune system.
barry rothbart
What are you?
I'm HPV. I'm a human pussy wart.
joe rogan
What nationality are you?
barry rothbart
My mom was born in Israel.
And my dad is just like...
joe rogan
Party stock.
barry rothbart
...American, weird.
brian redban
Can't be that then.
barry rothbart
Yeah, I don't know what it is.
joe rogan
No.
barry rothbart
Because my parents have gotten the flu a bunch of times.
joe rogan
Israelis, that's some healthy stock, man.
Those are survivors.
There's some tough fucking people come out of Israel.
Tough women.
Yeah, very different than what we associate with American Jewish women.
The stereotype is what?
Kind of whiny and like, Herman, where are you?
You're going to make us late.
Very motherly.
barry rothbart
Israeli women are just very much like, I'm right, you're wrong.
brian redban
There's the commercial.
joe rogan
I am so not buying this at all.
Not even for a fucking supper.
barry rothbart
If you listen to it...
joe rogan
The fact that this guy doesn't know that that's rubber...
barry rothbart
They thought it was some sort of squid or something.
joe rogan
He's either completely retarded or this is bullshit.
And I'm going with this is bull...
Look, they're measuring it.
barry rothbart
They're measuring it.
joe rogan
This is a joke.
This is a joke.
This guy's an idiot.
Look at these people.
barry rothbart
These are like backcountry people.
Look at her.
joe rogan
She's on TV. Look at her.
brian redban
And that's sewer grease that they have it in.
joe rogan
Dude, this is like their version of some parody show.
brian redban
Sewer oil that they use?
joe rogan
Gutter oil.
barry rothbart
Gutter oil.
That's great.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't buy it for a fucking second.
barry rothbart
It's got like warts on it?
joe rogan
It's hit the road.
brian redban
That's not warts, that's shit.
barry rothbart
That's been worn hard.
joe rogan
That's amazing that you've never had the flu.
I don't think I've ever met anybody.
barry rothbart
I've never had it.
Yeah, I just, I really, now I can't get flu shots, I feel like.
I feel like if I get a flu shot, I'm just going to get the flu.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think you need to get a flu shot.
And the flu shots are tricky because they're very, like, this year was particularly ineffective.
Like, even my doctor was mocking it this year.
barry rothbart
Because it's so strong now?
joe rogan
No, it's just they've failed.
It's like they make these calculations based on whatever strains are out there, and then they develop a vaccine for that strain of the flu.
But this year was completely ineffective.
It's only effective in 20% of the cases.
So a lot of people that got the flu shot still wound up getting the flu.
People I know that got the flu shot.
barry rothbart
Oh, yeah.
I mean, there's no guarantee.
joe rogan
But here's one thing you should fucking do, folks.
Get goddamn vaccinated.
There's a measles outbreak at Disneyland.
Because these fucking people think that you don't have to vaccinate your kids.
There's other protocols.
Maybe you might think that giving your kid 26 injections when they're born is kind of fucked up.
And there's doctors that agree with you.
But there's almost no doctors that agree that you should never get vaccinated.
unidentified
Why?
barry rothbart
What's their reason?
joe rogan
People don't want vaccines.
But there's certain drugs, like polio and shit like that, that's been almost completely eradicated because of vaccines.
Like, there's real science behind vaccines.
barry rothbart
Yeah, I hear polio's making a comeback, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, I heard polio's coming back as well.
barry rothbart
I heard polio's coming back.
joe rogan
And all this is because people don't want to vaccinate their kids.
They don't want to vaccinate.
You know?
barry rothbart
It's so easy.
It's so quick.
And it's like...
joe rogan
It's so weird, man.
barry rothbart
Oh, because of autism?
Didn't someone say you get autism from Jay McCartney?
joe rogan
Well, there's some people that believe that.
Yeah.
There's also some people that...
Well, here's what's crazy.
There's people that could eat certain foods that you would have no problem with and they get really sick.
Like, people that have nut allergies.
Like, my kid goes to school and they make sure you have, like, we are a no-nut school.
They have, like, you can't bring nuts in your food.
You can't bring, like, snacks that have nuts in them.
You can't do it because some kids, they'll eat those fucking things and they just die.
So some people, if you inject the same thing in a thousand people, you might have 999 people that have zero problem with it at all, but one person has a real reaction.
And the question becomes, do we change this drug that's so beneficial to all the 999 people because one person has an adverse reaction, one biological anomaly as it were?
barry rothbart
No, you can't.
I mean, obviously you can't.
joe rogan
That's what doctors are running into.
And then there's also, there's a lot of suspicion of pharmacological greed.
You know, these people that are making the money, these pharmacy companies, that they're just greedy as fuck and they want, you can get by with like three injections, but they want you to get 20 because the amount of money that they'll earn is substantially more if you get 20. If you mandate that every kid has to get 20 injections.
barry rothbart
Yeah, I mean, it's crazy to me that people are just, like, not doing it.
joe rogan
It's so scary, because these, you know, you could get, like, a serious disease that we've eradicated, it could get hold again, and then if enough people are not vaccinated against that disease, it could be a fucking real issue.
Diseases are fucking terrifying, man.
barry rothbart
That's scary.
joe rogan
I didn't have anything about diseases.
I never was worried about them.
I got an AIDS test in 1994 and I was shitting my pants.
Shitting my pants.
barry rothbart
I can't believe that I've gone this long without major problems.
Do you ever think about that?
Like how crazy it is that we can go this long without getting something crazy?
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
Like Ebola or some sort of weird cancer that no one's heard of.
joe rogan
What I was going to say is I never had a problem with it until I did this TV show and I talked to this Russian guy who worked in the biological weapons department in the Soviet Union where they had trenches filled with anthrax.
And all these people that are virus experts, we went to the What is it called?
The Center for CDC down in Galveston, Texas, where they have four-foot-thick walls, and they have all the worst hemorrhagic viruses contained in that lab where they study them and try to devise vaccines and shit for them.
Crazy spacesuits.
Every room has vacuums in the ceiling that pull all the air out of it in case anything...
barry rothbart
I mean, I've seen the movie Outbreak.
I know.
joe rogan
They're not afraid of anything other than natural shit.
They're afraid of diseases.
They're afraid of diseases that just emerge on their own, out of nowhere, and their thought is, it's just a matter of time.
Like, we're running, and there's like a wave behind us that's gonna hit.
It's just gonna hit.
barry rothbart
But see then, it's like, what should you get afraid of?
That?
You can't do anything about that.
joe rogan
So what?
barry rothbart
Like, I wish, I mean, I wish I was more concerned about stuff like that.
Like, it's just so crazy that I can't even, like, what would I do?
joe rogan
Well, because it's not happening.
barry rothbart
What would I do to prevent it?
Just wear a mask like a Japanese tourist?
joe rogan
Well, you have a good immune system, obviously, if you've never gotten the flu.
brian redban
Have you ever had a high temperature?
barry rothbart
Oh, yeah.
brian redban
Have you ever shit while having a high temperature?
barry rothbart
I used to get a lot of stomach viruses.
I used to get a lot of those.
I don't know why.
But yeah, never the flu.
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
It's amazing.
Yeah, I'm terrified.
barry rothbart
And now I feel like I'm jinxing it.
joe rogan
No, you'll be fine.
Just stay positive.
Eat oranges and stay positive.
barry rothbart
Someone's going to want to give me the flu now.
They're going to get really mad.
joe rogan
It's just weird that we share this earth with these little aliens that want to kill us.
I mean, that's really what they are.
It's weird biological things you can't even see.
barry rothbart
And we want to kill them.
joe rogan
It's a war.
It's a war going on, man.
It's a crazy war.
When they win, they take over your body and it decomposes.
They literally eat your body.
That's what's so fucked up about it.
barry rothbart
Right.
joe rogan
When they win, it's like a bonanza.
It's a fine dance.
barry rothbart
They take it.
joe rogan
Because the best way to spread is to don't kill them quick.
You've got to kill them slowly so they spit on everything and cough on everybody on the subway.
That's how you spread.
But the real motherfucker disease is they're like dudes who are like two-pump chumps.
Like, I can't wait!
They can't help themselves.
They just want to kill you quick.
There's some strains of the flu that literally aren't as deadly.
Because they kill you so quick.
They can't get as many people.
barry rothbart
What's the craziest disease they've discovered?
Is it still anthrax?
Like, what's the craziest, meanest?
joe rogan
Well, hemorrhagic viruses are the scariest.
barry rothbart
Like, they're just, you're like, in a day you're gone.
But Ebola, you could still, I know people had Ebola and they were just like, well, I got fever and then I went to the doctor and like...
joe rogan
If you get it quick enough.
If they catch what it is quick enough and they get you to a real hospital in America, land of the free, home of the brave.
But if you're in Africa...
barry rothbart
Wait, where?
joe rogan
That's right here.
barry rothbart
Oh, America.
joe rogan
Right here.
American sniper.
barry rothbart
Sorry, sorry.
joe rogan
Respect.
But if you're in a thatch hut roof place in fucking Bangladesh and they tell you you have Ebola, you're going to be shitting your pants.
They're going to rummage through their Tupperware looking for medicine.
No, we got nothing.
Pop the top on these things.
Look for something they could fix you with.
Nope, nothing.
barry rothbart
Not gonna happen.
joe rogan
Chickens are running around on the floor in front of you.
barry rothbart
I've seen chickens in Little Armenia, in Hollywood, running around.
brian redban
How are your chickens?
Any new chicken stories?
joe rogan
No, I gotta hire someone to kill the coyote.
unidentified
You have chickens?
Yeah, I used to have 24. You live on a farm or something?
joe rogan
No, I just have a big piece of property.
barry rothbart
That's great.
joe rogan
I have a big chicken house.
barry rothbart
That's my dream, man.
joe rogan
It's great.
I eat fresh eggs every morning.
barry rothbart
That's the dream.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're like a dark orange egg, too.
They're delicious eggs.
barry rothbart
That is the dream, man.
I want to get a plot of land.
I want to make food on it.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've been doing that over the last few years.
barry rothbart
You're ready, man.
If things go down, if the infrastructure implodes, you're like...
joe rogan
You're not, though.
barry rothbart
You could do it.
joe rogan
No, because then you're dealing with all these other people that aren't ready.
unidentified
More than I could.
joe rogan
But then you're dealing with all these people that aren't ready.
So what are you going to do?
You're going to be the only guy by yourself with a shotgun and all these people are starving?
No, you're going to give them food and you're going to run dry and it's going to suck for everybody involved.
You're better off if an asteroid hits if it hits your fucking head.
You know, you don't want to be, like, in the outskirts.
barry rothbart
You don't want to be the guy who's done.
joe rogan
The guy living up there, you know, in the remnants of a fucking shattered world.
barry rothbart
I don't think I mean that apocalyptic.
I think I'm talking about, like, you know...
joe rogan
Power outage.
barry rothbart
You know, what if food becomes...
I mean, food is going to be scarce at some point, right?
There's going to...
brian redban
Why?
barry rothbart
Everyone's talking about the agricultural meltdown.
Like, you know, we're not going to be able to take crops and, like...
joe rogan
I don't buy it.
barry rothbart
People are going to be, like, killing each other for food, right?
joe rogan
I don't buy it.
No.
I think they're just not paying as much attention to crops as they would if they had to pay more attention.
It's the same thing we were talking about earlier.
I think that, you know, you don't think about it because you don't have to think about it.
But if it became a real issue and the government started putting massive amounts of resources to growing crops for all the country, they put their funds into that.
Halliburton gets behind it.
They have giant government contracts to grow crops.
You'd have fucking crops growing everywhere.
They would take a pipeline.
They could take a pipeline from Alaska, right?
They could take oil.
They'd bring it all the way down to Arkansas.
How come they can't do that with water?
Well, they can.
Of course they could.
And if they wanted to do that...
barry rothbart
I feel like the whole water thing is like, there's gotta be a way.
There's got to be a way to desalinate, right?
Eventually.
joe rogan
Yeah, we talked about that a couple weeks ago.
Apparently it's stupid expensive, and it's not that efficient yet.
But one day, yeah, someone's going to figure out a way to do it in a way that makes sense.
They're going to make money off of it.
I don't think we're going to run out of food.
I think we're going to run out of space.
We're going to run out of resources, and we're going to run out of air.
We're going to fuck the air up.
That's a real issue.
barry rothbart
You look at graphs of population, and from...
The time of Jesus, or even before the time of cavemen, there's been this steady graph.
And then all of a sudden the Industrial Revolution happens and it's like spikes.
And we have so many more people than we can handle.
There's got to be something, right?
I don't understand things, but I feel like...
I'm not speaking out of any expertise, but something's going to happen, right?
joe rogan
Well, there's definitely a pattern.
There's definitely a pattern of abuse and overuse and gluttony.
And, you know, pollution of the ocean, pollution of the air.
But if they figure it out...
barry rothbart
This is a depressing podcast.
joe rogan
No, but it's not, because I think when people have their back up against the wall, that's when they're forced to innovate.
When they literally are forced.
Just like all these other things we've been talking about.
When you're forced to recognize the fact that we're running out of food, then the government figures out how to step in and ensure the fact that people get food.
I think there's going to come a point in time where there's no such thing as waste.
That waste is going to equal energy.
And they'll be able to...
Like right now, if you take...
There's new cars that are so good at emissions that when they're driving through a polluted area, like they were driving through Mexico City, the air that comes out of the car is actually cleaner than the air that goes in.
That's a fact.
barry rothbart
Whoa.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's German cars that do that.
The Porsche 911 Turbo, in fact.
When you drive through Los Angeles, if you're driving through downtown, it's thick with fucking stinky smog.
The air coming out of the exhaust pipes is better to fucking breathe than the air that it's taking in on its intake.
Yeah.
That's nuts.
So, it's going to come a point in time where they can figure out how to use that shitty air.
Like, use the carbon dioxide and the carbon monoxide in the air for fuel.
They just need to figure out how to extract it.
Like, right now, what we're doing is, like, there's a two-step process.
You know, you make something, and there's, like, a waste product.
But that waste product, it's really almost an engineering issue.
It's almost like once we innovate to a point where whatever that stuff is...
barry rothbart
Everything will be sustainable and renewable?
joe rogan
Yeah, like nuclear waste or gasoline.
Okay, here's a perfect example.
People that live by airplanes, anybody who lives by airports, significant amount of people suffer lung damage.
They have lung disease, asthma.
It's pretty significant.
You should never live near an airport, major airports especially.
Well, there's some shit that you're breathing in, right?
Well, why is it out there?
How do you get it?
What is that stuff?
Is it flammable?
Can it be used as fuel?
Can it be extracted from the air?
barry rothbart
It's methane, right?
joe rogan
I don't know what the fuck it is.
There is methane, but that's biological.
barry rothbart
What about the fact that there's Wi-Fi waves and cellular waves all over everywhere?
joe rogan
That's true, too.
barry rothbart
There's so much stuff that we...
We create that is bad for us.
joe rogan
Well, that's not necessarily true.
I don't think they've ever proven that Wi-Fi is bad for you or that cellular is bad for you.
barry rothbart
It just feels bad.
joe rogan
It's bad for bugs.
It's really bad for bees.
unidentified
Is it?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really bad for bees.
Bees, apparently, their communication system gets completely fucked up by Wi-Fi and by cellular networks.
It's like they're hearing a next-door neighbor that won't stop banging and it never goes away.
They can live, but they're like...
Everywhere around them is people, LOL, you know, fucking texting.
barry rothbart
Yeah, they just hear everything we're saying.
joe rogan
They probably don't just hear it, it's sending.
barry rothbart
They hear all the porn we're watching on the internet.
They hear, like, everything through the airwaves.
joe rogan
When you send a text, it's like...
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Everywhere.
It's flying around.
You ever go somewhere that has no cell phone, no Wi-Fi?
barry rothbart
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It feels so quiet.
It feels amazing.
barry rothbart
Yeah, because I've actually, only in the last year, I've made a point of being away from my phone.
Like, totally away from my phone.
Not just in the other room, but, like, if I go on a hike, I leave the phone in the car.
Because, like, we are never alone.
We're never, like, unreachable.
unidentified
It's true.
barry rothbart
Even if you're alone, you're not alone because you're like, oh, let me check out what friends are tweeting at me.
brian redban
You should just turn it off, though, if you're going on a hike, because then that mountain line is going to be...
barry rothbart
But even if I turn it off, I feel like I still have the option.
I just want to be totally away from it, and it feels great.
And then I get back and I'm like, ooh, I have like four emails.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know what you mean.
Isn't it funny?
We're so scared to be away from our phone.
Like, something bad's gonna happen.
Like, how often do you actually need your phone?
unidentified
Is it?
brian redban
No.
barry rothbart
What's gonna happen?
joe rogan
So rarely do you actually need it to stay alive.
unidentified
Right, right.
joe rogan
So rarely.
brian redban
True.
joe rogan
But, like, if you go on a hike, you're like, Paul, I better bring the fucking phone just to get this.
barry rothbart
Yeah, I need photos.
joe rogan
How many times have you hiked?
You hike a hundred times, nothing happens.
You'll be fine.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
I've never.
I've never been attacked on a hike.
joe rogan
Well, when I lived in Colorado, I used to pack heat.
I used to walk carrying a gun.
barry rothbart
With a gun?
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
That would drive me crazy.
joe rogan
Well, I was walking in these mountain lion-infested woods.
Fuck that.
And even if they don't kill people all the time, if you were there, like the guy in Cupertino where his son got attacked by a mountain lion, If that guy had a gun, he could have shot it, not even at the animal, just shot it near the animal, and that thing would run, and you're done.
It's over.
They hear a boom!
They're like, they fucking just take off.
It freaks them out.
barry rothbart
But how often does your kid get attacked by a mountain lion?
joe rogan
If you live in Cupertino, and you're that guy, and you're walking down that road, and it happens, all those numbers are not comforting.
It doesn't matter.
unidentified
100% of the time, that guy's son has been attacked.
joe rogan
The wife is screaming, why didn't you bring your gun?
How often does it happen?
It fucking happened!
It fucking happened!
barry rothbart
It happens, but I mean...
joe rogan
Billy's got a chunk taken out of his ass.
Forever.
He's gonna be that boy in the locker room they make fun of.
brian redban
You know those fake asses where they take the fat from other parts of their body and they put it in the butt?
joe rogan
Is that real?
brian redban
Yeah, it's real.
It started in Colombia, I believe, or Brazil.
Most Colombians or Brazilians, girls, have that.
unidentified
No, it's not most.
brian redban
That's how common it is.
joe rogan
It's not most.
Well, it's not most.
brian redban
It's pretty common.
barry rothbart
More than half?
brian redban
It's pretty common.
joe rogan
Well, Google it.
brian redban
It's pretty common.
joe rogan
You have a better computer.
Just Google it.
unidentified
So they take fat out of their boobs?
brian redban
Jamie, you might even be able to find this, but they take it out of their side and they put it in their butt, but lately they've been noticing that the fat doesn't take and it goes down their legs and it makes their ankles super fat.
And so people in Colombia wear these like...
Like Ugg boots type things are really popular because so many girls have had this problem.
barry rothbart
It goes down to their ankles?
brian redban
Yeah.
barry rothbart
This sounds like little kid science.
brian redban
Their butt doesn't taste it.
joe rogan
That's everything that he does.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
Columbia butt fat ankles.
joe rogan
Little kid science, exactly.
unidentified
Columbia butt locks for whatever.
joe rogan
So what...
brian redban
I would just take...
joe rogan
I know that they're doing fat transplantation to the buttocks and legs for aesthetic enhancement.
barry rothbart
If you Google anything, you'll find it.
joe rogan
Long-term results.
Wow.
The result of the buttock augmentation showed that there are 0.5 to 1.0 centimeter reduction at two months.
Oh, okay.
They're just talking about the efficacy.
Conclusion.
The hypothesis is that fat applied grafts are real grafts It was demonstrated.
Not only are the graphs real, but they are able to live and persist with the patients growing if the patient gained weight to the glutes area and losing circumference when losing weight.
So what they're saying is it works.
They're saying that that fat, when you transplant it to the ass, it does make your ass thicker.
What are you doing?
unidentified
Oh, great.
barry rothbart
What was that?
joe rogan
I'm reading it, you fuck.
How dare you?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
They're saying that it makes it...
that no damage to the graft was observed.
So they're saying that...
barry rothbart
So it's fine.
joe rogan
It works.
It's like skin grafts.
barry rothbart
Right.
joe rogan
But they actually can make your ass fatter.
barry rothbart
And they can make another part of you thinner.
joe rogan
But it probably comes out all lumpy, no?
I mean, how do they get it all smooth and perfect?
barry rothbart
I mean, I'm sure there's more of a process than just stuffing it in.
I would assume.
They put it in a blender or something.
They must dilute it somehow, right?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
Well, they're injecting it, right?
barry rothbart
If you ever want to have fun, too, look at botched butt enlargement surgery.
joe rogan
That's not fun.
Whoa, that works.
barry rothbart
Whoa, hello.
joe rogan
Holy shit, that works.
brian redban
That's incredible.
Yeah, look at that.
joe rogan
Oh my god, look at that one down there.
The naked butt with the thong.
barry rothbart
Well, there's no proof that that's the same butt.
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of bullshit with these things, for sure.
Butt augmentation in Thailand.
barry rothbart
Yeah, that butt looks great.
joe rogan
Well, let's go to that page.
Let's find out what they do.
barry rothbart
Also, one of them's more in color.
joe rogan
Page.
Not image.
There you go.
The...
The ones where they have implants though, that's scary.
That's where they're taking like a hunk of something, like a fucking, some sort of a, it's like a rubber thing and they're sticking it in there.
barry rothbart
Isn't it crazy that no matter what context when I see a nice bud, I don't even see whose face it is, I'm just like instantly a little bit turned on.
Like, you just see a bigger butt.
Why?
Why is that?
Is anyone ever...
Because it's, like, better for children?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Especially the hips-to-waist ratio.
When you see a woman with, like, wide hips, you think, oh, she can give birth.
barry rothbart
Immediately, like, oh, okay.
joe rogan
We strongly advise against surgical butt implants if your office work environment requires excessive sitting over 8 to 10 hours a day.
After surgery, the doctors will advise you not to sit directly on your reshaped butt.
For at least a few days to avoid any unneeded stress to the operated areas during your recovery.
Yeah, what the fuck, man.
barry rothbart
So, like, Peggy and HR can't get it done.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you're gonna sit in front of a desk, oof.
brian redban
You've seen the implants that have failed.
joe rogan
Now, are those implants they're talking about, Jamie?
brian redban
No, this is fat transfer.
barry rothbart
No, this is, yeah, this is an implant.
joe rogan
I think it's silicon right butt implants versus fat transfers here you go if your butt area has begun sagging a bit and you're slightly older in age then a surgical lift will probably be the most appropriate a surgical butt lift in Thailand is performed by removing fat tissue followed by the tightening of the surrounding skin the tissue in your buttocks is normally excised Slash cut.
That's the same thing.
That's like punch slash hit near the butt crease to give a natural look with minimal scars.
This amazing new technique leaves an unnoticeable scar near your buttocks crease.
Yeah, that's noticeable as fuck.
You see it in porn films when girls are getting dogged.
Yeah, you see this weird scar where their butt cheeks meet their taint.
barry rothbart
I've never seen that.
joe rogan
The technique is very popular with Australian and American clients who save 40%.
When compared to the prices back home, but you get 100% more diseases.
The new technique is offered in Bangkok and works by carefully sawing away, no, cutting away tissue near the intersection of your butt and lower back.
barry rothbart
I mean, you know, it feels like a decent thing to do.
brian redban
This is supposedly what Kim Kardashian got.
She got the Brazilian butt lift, which is what all the Brazilian girls supposedly have.
That's why you always go, Brazilians have great ass.
barry rothbart
I mean, that's been confirmed, right?
She has something, and so does Nicki Minaj.
joe rogan
She looks way different than she used to look.
Yeah, they both look crazy.
And she also doesn't look like that...
Like, she would have that muscular legs.
Like, it's not like she's...
Her legs are these thick, fucking...
Like, Serena Williams-type athlete legs.
No.
No, they're like...
barry rothbart
She's got a big old butt, too.
joe rogan
Oh, jeez Louise.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Good Lord.
Oh, my goodness.
That's a booty.
But that's an athlete's butt.
Like, you look at Serena's body, like, Jesus, that's a fucking...
That's a performer.
You know, like, her body can move in ways...
Kim Kardashian just looks like she's wearing a diaper.
It's like this weird...
You know what I mean?
It's like this weird, like, she's got a load in her diaper.
barry rothbart
It doesn't make sense.
It doesn't, like, make sense with her legs.
joe rogan
Well, there's some images of her.
Like, you see those photos.
Like, Kim Kardashian breaks the internet.
Her ass looks fantastic, like, spectacular.
But then you see her, like, there's some red carpet video of her walking around with it.
unidentified
It's weird.
joe rogan
It's weird as fuck.
Because it doesn't match the rest of her legs.
Like, it's way better to have a smaller butt that fits your legs than it is to have these thin legs and this...
barry rothbart
I actually have the opposite problem.
I don't have a butt.
Like, I have, like, an innie butt.
joe rogan
I'm serious.
barry rothbart
I'm not...
joe rogan
You have an innie?
barry rothbart
I don't have...
Yeah, I don't really have a butt.
Should I show?
I mean, it's like...
unidentified
Just don't take off your underwear.
barry rothbart
Very flat.
joe rogan
Well, it just looks like you don't work out.
You don't work out, right?
barry rothbart
I do.
joe rogan
Do you lift weights?
With your butt?
Not with my butt.
Have a seat.
unidentified
Nobody can hear you up there.
joe rogan
Does it, um, you don't, like, when you're, um, when you're lifting weights, do you do squats or anything with your legs?
barry rothbart
No.
joe rogan
That's all it is, yeah.
unidentified
But I do a lot of, like, like, curls for the girls.
barry rothbart
Running and things like that.
joe rogan
Oh, well, running is really good for your legs, but it's not so good for your butt.
Like, if you watch marathon runners, they don't have, like, thick butts.
There's not a lot of, like, jumping up.
barry rothbart
I know.
I've always had an issue with that.
There's always, like, pants don't fit right.
It always slide down.
joe rogan
You can fix it.
Don't get lazy and get a butt job.
brian redban
Yeah, let's get butt jobs together.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
unidentified
That's the...
barry rothbart
Boys day!
unidentified
Boys day!
joe rogan
Imagine if that became a thing.
brian redban
They would take off our little fat things here, so it would actually look better here, and then it would make our butt look together at the same time.
joe rogan
Or you would be so self-conscious on stage because it looks like you're wearing a fucking diaper.
barry rothbart
Imagine, I just got a huge butt.
brian redban
Oh my god.
I feel like if butts on guys became big.
joe rogan
You tied the end of your shorts tight to your leg and just filled your shorts with shit.
That's what it looks like.
barry rothbart
But I have no jokes about it.
It's just a huge butt.
joe rogan
You don't even bring it up.
I had a friend that had a huge ass and he was massively self-conscious about it because he wasn't overweight too much in his upper body.
He was very pear-shaped.
Where his upper body, his arms looked totally normal.
And then his upper body looked fairly overweight and then it got to his gut and it distended on the sides and then his ass was enormous.
His ass and legs is where he carried all of his weight.
When you get in arguments with people, they'll go, look at your fucking ass, dude.
If I looked like you, I would be grumpy too.
People would get really mean with him because of his butt.
barry rothbart
There's certain guys who look okay fat.
There's certain guys that are like, oh, you're a fat guy.
You look great fat.
And then there's certain guys who look really, really bad fat.
And I think it's if your lower half is in shape and your upper half is not...
Jonah Hill has that.
I have that.
I used to be way fatter, and it looks weird because I have skinny legs, and then it looks like you just are this half-fat minotaur.
joe rogan
Yeah.
People are allowed to have a fat gut, but if you have a fairly normal gut, but an enormous fat ass and fat legs, then people are like, what the fuck?
Yeah.
You're weirdly proportioned, and I don't understand you, because you don't fit in my database.
unidentified
It is weird.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, we have a database of pot bellies.
Like, you see a guy with a pot belly, you don't even blink.
Because we all have a database.
It's not like a weird thing.
But if you see a girl with a pot belly, one of three things.
Either pregnant or a fucking weird body.
When the weird body freaks you out.
Even if you have no desire to have sex with this woman, if a woman comes near you and she's got a giant Joey Diaz-sized belly, you're kind of freaked out.
barry rothbart
But his body makes sense.
joe rogan
It makes sense.
barry rothbart
His body, you look at it and you're like, oh, you're that guy.
I know that guy.
joe rogan
I've seen that guy.
barry rothbart
My dad has hung out with that guy.
joe rogan
There's a database.
barry rothbart
Yeah, there's a database of that guy.
joe rogan
But if you have a guy that has really skinny legs, super skinny legs, but like Ralphie Mae's arms...
barry rothbart
Yeah, it's really weird.
joe rogan
What the fuck is going on?
I don't understand what I'm saying.
I gotta get out of here.
I'm too weirded out.
barry rothbart
I gotta get out of here, man.
Chest night is over.
joe rogan
New weird bodies will freak us out.
We have a database.
We draw from it.
And when something doesn't fit in there, it's just like, oh, too weird.
Gotta go.
brian redban
I turned down sex once because this girl had a square butt where it was like...
barry rothbart
You turned down sex because of it?
brian redban
Yeah, because it just freaked me out.
It freaked me out because she had no waist for one thing.
And then her butt was completely flat, almost indented.
When you saw it, you're just like, ugh!
barry rothbart
So you were in the act, in bed.
brian redban
I actually was like, alright, well, you know what?
I gotta go.
What?
I just took off right before bed.
barry rothbart
I could never do that.
brian redban
And I called her Spongebob Squarepants because it was just...
It's too gross.
joe rogan
You didn't call it to her face.
brian redban
No, no.
I just put it on her Facebook.
barry rothbart
You just tweeted about it.
joe rogan
I just put it on her Facebook.
barry rothbart
With her full name.
joe rogan
I just gave out her address and geotagged it.
barry rothbart
Geotagged it.
joe rogan
If you're looking for a flat ass, this is your spot.
This is your pirate map.
barry rothbart
I don't know.
I feel like if I'm already there, I mean, it's like...
It's so great that someone's willing to be there and do it.
joe rogan
But isn't it weird that, like, it probably would feel just as good, like, as far as a sensation, but you wouldn't be as aroused, so it wouldn't be as good, and it's all just based on the shape of the body.
And people get angry at that, man.
They say you're shallow, and, you know, this is a really, like, surface way of thinking, and it's so immature and so stupid, but those people are all fat.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's why they're saying that.
Hot chicks with great bodies, they never feel like that.
When you tell a girl, like, God, your body's amazing, they never go, oh, you just are attracted to my body being amazing.
barry rothbart
I gotta be the devil's advocate here, and I gotta say, I've been with a lot of women.
brian redban
Tell us about it.
barry rothbart
Double-didge.
unidentified
Amazing.
barry rothbart
Double-didge women.
unidentified
So intimidating.
barry rothbart
And I've been with some very good looking and some very average and whatever.
I think I've actually been more aroused by more normal looking women than the models.
joe rogan
Because you're probably more comfortable.
barry rothbart
Because I'm more comfortable.
Yeah.
I feel like I have less to prove.
joe rogan
Right.
barry rothbart
It's also like there's something about a normal-looking body that is a little more attractive to me.
joe rogan
You have a buddy who would go to strip clubs and he would always want to talk to the girls that were overweight.
He was actually attracted to the girls.
barry rothbart
I don't mean overweight.
joe rogan
Well, overweight for a strip club is not really overweight.
I mean, what kind of overweight are they going to get?
Like 20, 30 pounds overweight?
But he would go for the big girls because...
brian redban
Very easy.
barry rothbart
Like, they're probably more insecure.
joe rogan
But he wasn't even trying to, like, have sex with them.
He just was attracted to them.
He'd want to get dances to them because he said it would make sense that they would date him.
barry rothbart
Oh, yeah.
That's what every guy wants in a strip club.
You want the girl to like you.
Any guy who denies that is lying.
Like, you want the girl to be like, you know...
Oh my god, I want to leave with this guy.
joe rogan
And if she's a 10, she's like, oh, hi, sweetie.
barry rothbart
Yeah, it's all an act.
joe rogan
And you're like, oh, this is gross.
I feel so fucking gross.
I want her to be in love.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want her to come back, please, Barry.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Are you going to be back?
barry rothbart
You want to take her out of that town.
unidentified
Barry.
joe rogan
Barry, don't leave.
barry rothbart
You want to take her out of Kokomo, Indiana.
joe rogan
I'll give you dances for free.
barry rothbart
Yeah, oh yeah.
joe rogan
Just stay, Barry.
barry rothbart
I'll stay.
joe rogan
Stay.
barry rothbart
Joe Rogan?
joe rogan
Yeah, they don't want you to...
They don't want you to...
No guy, even though people will pay for prostitution, no guy would prefer that.
What you would prefer is someone to be attracted to you.
You wouldn't want a girl who's putting on an act where you know specifically that she doesn't want to be there.
You'd want her to be really good at it.
barry rothbart
It's the same in porno.
You don't want a girl who you know is acting.
That's why we want things that are so real.
joe rogan
Unless they're so good they can trick you.
That's great.
barry rothbart
Yeah, but you don't want to see the act.
Less than anything.
joe rogan
It's like a hack comic, or like a fucking magician, where you can see their hands moving, you know?
brian redban
But you're getting a different girl every time, and you can play around with different races and ages.
joe rogan
Yeah, what I'm saying is, what would you prefer, though?
That's not what I'm saying.
brian redban
Eugenics?
Well, I mean, it's like saying, do you want one car, or would you rather have keys to the dealership and just pick whatever you want?
joe rogan
No, it's not.
We're talking about people, you fuck.
barry rothbart
Yeah, I don't know.
I got a prostitute when I was...
I mean, this is...
I'm going to be on Ari's show and I talk about this story when I was in Atlantic City and I got a hooker.
unidentified
Ooh.
joe rogan
You ever see that hookers from Atlantic City show?
barry rothbart
No.
joe rogan
Was it HBO? Yeah, they used to do an HBO show.
barry rothbart
Oh, those were so depressing.
I remember trying to masturbate to those when I was a kid and like real sex would come on.
Remember real sex?
And it would be like just old people tickling each other and you're just like, what?
unidentified
What?
barry rothbart
Like, for a second they would be like, oh, this is kind of hot.
And then they would just have these, like, fat lesbians slapping each other.
And you're like, this is really weird.
joe rogan
Do you think that if prostitution wasn't so chastised, if prostitution was legal, then it would be like going and getting massages.
It would be so normal and it wouldn't feel dirty or bad at all.
I bet that's the case.
barry rothbart
If it was legal?
joe rogan
Yeah, if prostitution was completely legal, okay, and these places were totally above ground, it was just like going to a massage bar.
If you go to a massage bar now, you go, hello, everybody greets you, they're all nice, you don't feel weird about it, you put on your robe, you go there, some stranger rubs your neck and rubs your back, you feel so much better.
And you actually have a wonderful time with them.
It's fine.
Because it's not guilty.
But if it was guilty for you to be in your underwear and have some lady dig her elbow into your back, you'd have all these weird connections with it.
And you would only be able to go to shady places to get that massage.
It would be like this weird, sort of sinful thing.
barry rothbart
I don't think it has anything to do with the law.
I think the law has nothing to do with it.
I think it's our weirdness with sex.
I think it's...
joe rogan
Right, but that weirdness with sex is connected to the fact that it's illegal, unquestionably.
barry rothbart
I don't know, because then you would say, like, oh, what if I didn't have to pay for it?
What if I told my girlfriend, oh, I'm just going to have sex with this girl I know?
joe rogan
That's totally unrelated, because we're talking about...
barry rothbart
You're paying for a service.
joe rogan
Paying for something.
Yeah, we're talking about prostitution, though.
barry rothbart
I know, but I think it's the stigma of the sex of it, not the law.
Because it's not really like...
No.
I don't think it's considered...
You don't feel like you're breaking the law if you get a hooker.
brian redban
What if you think you're using masturbation?
You're using her to masturbate, though.
You're not having sex.
I mean, you're in and out in like seven minutes.
joe rogan
Well, hold on a second.
Explain that again.
You don't think it's about the law.
It would remove some of the stigma attached to it.
barry rothbart
The stigma by who, though?
joe rogan
Well, by most people who think of it as being a dirty thing.
I mean, most people, they don't want their daughter to become a prostitute.
They don't want their ex-girlfriends to become prostitutes.
I mean, it's just like this thing.
You don't want someone to be paying...
barry rothbart
Well, stripping is legal, but there's a stigma to that.
joe rogan
There is.
There is.
There certainly is.
But this is like, part of it has to do with sex.
barry rothbart
I think in this country we're weirder about sex than we are about anything else.
joe rogan
No question.
But don't you think that part of that weirdness is to do with the law?
The fact that we legislate whether or not you can have sex with someone for free, and no one has a problem with it.
You can go have sex with anybody you want.
But for some reason or another, we can legislate whether or not you have sex with anybody you want if they give you money.
Which is crazy.
I mean, it's crazy.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
I mean, it is crazy.
Yeah, there's a lot of crazy.
I think the fact that gambling is illegal is crazy, too.
Crazy.
joe rogan
Ridiculous.
I'm not saying people should go get prostitutes or should be prostitutes, but you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do.
barry rothbart
Well, you know, what's crazy about it is how open we are about calling them escorts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
Like, we're just like, that's fine.
joe rogan
Well, they get busted, though.
barry rothbart
Like, you go into the Yellow Pages, not even in Vegas, like places where it's totally, like in New York, and there's just escort service, escort service.
Like, who is really under the impression that they're not having sex?
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a few people that don't get it.
barry rothbart
It's like this weird legal gray area.
Are there?
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
It's like every cop, everyone who makes the law, just like, fine.
joe rogan
Well, there's some weird thing where they're allowed to go out with you and have sex if they choose to.
But if it says, if it's like written down in paper, at the end of this date, I'm going to suck your dick and I'm going to rub your balls.
barry rothbart
Which is nuts.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Well, it's just stupid that you can tell a person what to do and not to do.
And the idea being is that if it's legal, everybody's going to go into prostitution or everyone's going to go get prostitutes and the marriages will crumble.
That's not true.
If you look at statistics in Australia, it's legal.
Legalized prostitution has actually led to a lower rate of divorce.
brian redban
In Australia?
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
Well, it's legal in some places here.
brian redban
Right?
joe rogan
Sort of.
One area.
In Nevada.
barry rothbart
Carson City?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like way the fuck out in the middle of nowhere.
barry rothbart
Well, that's pretty hypocritical, right?
joe rogan
It's weird.
It's just weird.
Telling people what they can do and not do.
unidentified
You know what?
barry rothbart
I think a lot of it is, too, a politician would never stand behind changing that law.
Like, I think everyone thinks it's kind of crazy, but I don't think...
To get a politician to be like, I'm fighting for prostitute rights.
brian redban
They all use them?
barry rothbart
You never know.
joe rogan
Well, that's one of the issues with that guy in New York, the guy who was the mayor of New York or the governor of New York, and they found out that he was using prostitutes.
barry rothbart
Spitzer?
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
joe rogan
Elliot Spitzer.
He was the fucking governor.
He was busting people for prostitution while he was using prostitutes.
I mean, he's a goddamn target.
But that guy, like, you know, I mean, he was the top of the heap as far as politicians in New York State, and he was using prostitutes.
barry rothbart
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I'm sure most of them are.
joe rogan
He could never come out and say, look, let's get real with this.
barry rothbart
He couldn't, yeah.
joe rogan
I'd like paying for pussy!
Who's with me?
Crickets, crickets.
He just comes out and tries it.
brian redban
I mean, there's a place that my buddy told me about in Seattle.
Let's say Seattle.
barry rothbart
He just went.
brian redban
That is a marijuana store on one side, and on the other side, it's just a whorehouse.
And you can go in with your Visa card, get your weed, get your pussy.
joe rogan
God bless America.
brian redban
Yeah, in and out in 45 minutes.
joe rogan
God bless America.
That's how it should be.
You should be able to do whatever the fuck you want.
There's a law that they're passing in some state, I forget, some backwards-ass state, where they're going to make certain tattoos and body piercings illegal.
They're going to be able to decide.
barry rothbart
For what reason?
joe rogan
Exactly.
barry rothbart
It's just A lot of things have a reason.
I once had an argument with someone over seatbelt laws, right?
Should you be allowed to wear a seatbelt if you want to or not want to, right?
joe rogan
Right.
barry rothbart
But then you think if people get injured all the time, you're dealing with higher health insurance costs, you're dealing with way more flooded hospitals with car accidents and deaths.
brian redban
Less dumb people, more dumb people dead.
barry rothbart
Other people will suffer from you being dumb.
Whereas a tattoo, no one else will suffer from that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know what the fucking logic behind it is.
I think it's just they want to change the appearance of the young folk.
They see these kids with these giant ear holes.
barry rothbart
That's what it is.
joe rogan
You know, it freaks them out, these kids these days.
You just can't live and let live.
And a lot of older people especially, they don't want to live and let live.
They want everybody to be just like them.
And when these fucking goddamn kids and their spiky earrings and their crazy hair, you know, you just get upset and you want to stop face tattoos.
Like, you know, come on.
You can't.
It's not a good thing to do, but you can't.
You can't stop it, you know?
It's not good to tattoo stars all over your fucking forehead.
But if you want to do it...
That's your thing.
Go ahead, do it.
You can't stop people from doing what they want to do because it's not your right.
They might like it.
They might see the world totally legitimately differently than you do.
And they might want to look like that lizard man dude who split his tongue and tattooed his face green, had implants, he had dermal implants in his eyebrows.
barry rothbart
I love that dude.
I met that dude.
joe rogan
I met him.
He was in front row in the audience in Austin, Texas at one of my shows.
And I was like, how much attention do you want, man?
You sit in front row and you look like a fucking lizard person.
barry rothbart
Didn't he do something?
Didn't he get arrested?
Oh, that's a different guy.
There's a guy who got his eyeballs tattooed black.
Who recently got arrested for assault.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
Yeah, good luck convincing the jury that you're cool.
brian redban
The ear thing pisses me off when girls have their ears stretched out.
joe rogan
It pisses you off?
brian redban
Yeah, I met this girl in Vegas.
Beautiful.
But then her ears were that big open, like where she had that big plug in the middle of it.
And you know that girl in 20 years is not going to have that in her ear.
joe rogan
You can fix it.
brian redban
Can you fix it?
You can just tie it in a knot?
joe rogan
They cut a section off and they pull it together and they sew it and you'll have scars in the bottom of your ear.
barry rothbart
It's like labiaplasty on your ears.
joe rogan
Exactly what it's like.
Yeah, they can fix it.
I mean, it doesn't look good, but it won't look unbelievably freakish.
barry rothbart
Yeah, you could correct most things, right?
joe rogan
That you can correct.
But there's a dude that I know, his shit is like this big, and he does jiu-jitsu, so he's got to tape his ears up when he does jiu-jitsu.
He takes the plug out, and then he tapes.
He puts tape on his ears.
Yeah, it's nuts.
Badass, dude.
People are weird with those things, man.
But you can't stop them from doing it.
They like it.
What do you care?
If you don't like it, don't do it to yourself.
barry rothbart
I can't see that passing, a law that prevents it.
joe rogan
It's passed?
Yeah, it's passed.
Hold on.
Let me find out.
barry rothbart
Well, you know, in Europe, there's a lot of laws.
There's laws with naming kids.
You can't name a kid anything you want.
joe rogan
In Nottingham, England, there's a law that makes you...
You have to practice archery for two hours every Sunday.
It's like on the books.
Every man has to practice.
It's like one of those laws that's been there since the 1600s.
barry rothbart
Everyone's dying of arrows to the head.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's in Pennsylvania, apparently, that this legislation...
barry rothbart
Yeah, there's laws in New York of dancing is illegal in certain blocks.
Did you know that?
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
barry rothbart
There's areas where you can't dance.
unidentified
Dance.
barry rothbart
From like the 1800s, some sort of crazy law.
joe rogan
Footloose laws?
barry rothbart
You can't be gay.
There's a lot of areas you can't.
It's illegal to be gay, to have gay sex.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's sodomy.
That's illegal.
Blowjobs are illegal in a lot of states.
Yeah, I'm trying to find this fucking legislation.
I'm looking under the wrong date because this is all in 2012. It's some new one, because I just tweeted it a few days ago.
See if you can find that shit, Jamie.
I don't know where it is, but...
The idea of anybody telling you, you know, you can't wear those pants.
You can't do that to your hair.
You can't do that to your nose.
I saw a picture of a guy who had the tip of his nose removed.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Have you seen that?
That's a new thing those extreme body modification guys are doing?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Have you seen it?
unidentified
I have, yeah.
joe rogan
Fuck.
barry rothbart
I've seen the forehead donuts.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
People get those huge forehead things.
joe rogan
See, but they can get that taken off.
barry rothbart
You just can't get your nose put back.
joe rogan
But then when they do that, they cut your fucking scalp open and slide that thing down your fucking head and leave that big horseshoe in the center of your face.
unidentified
That's awesome.
barry rothbart
They must get so much puss.
joe rogan
They probably get a lot of dick, really.
Dick with holes in it and barbs and stuff.
They got a lot of those dicks with dudes, they put those bolts in their dicks.
They have piercings all over their cocks.
brian redban
My friend, he got a shitty lip job where they're supposed to pierce it underneath All lip jobs.
joe rogan
Shitty lip jobs, by the way.
brian redban
Yeah, but any time he sneezes, it just squirts out like a fire hose out of his mouth.
unidentified
Oh my god.
barry rothbart
Oh no.
Yeah, there's like ones where they remove pieces of their cheek.
You can see in their mouth.
joe rogan
Yeah, they stretch it.
They put a hole in there, and they spread it more and more and more, until it becomes like, you could literally look in and see their gums and their teeth.
It's horrific.
barry rothbart
I think people have mental illnesses, and it just manifests in different ways.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian redban
Self-mutilation.
joe rogan
Body dysmorphia is real shit, man.
It's like those crazy women that never think their fake breasts are big enough.
barry rothbart
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
They get nuts.
They can't see it, and they just want them bigger and bigger and bigger.
But...
That's what they want.
Who cares?
They're probably crazy anyway.
I wouldn't want to hang out with them, but if you want to and you want to go do it, who gives a shit?
barry rothbart
It doesn't hurt anyone else.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, it's weird.
It's weird all the choices that people make.
People are strange, like stylistic choices.
People are very strange, but when people try to legislate against that, create laws that say anything.
They could easily make a law that says no more massage.
If someone decided to make a law that says no more massage, I would be fucking goddamn furious.
brian redban
I'd be pissed.
barry rothbart
Massages are incredible.
I've only started getting them recently and they are like out of this world.
joe rogan
It makes you feel so much better.
It just relaxes you, loosens all your muscles up, everything falls into place better, you feel healthier, less stressed out.
barry rothbart
Yeah, I got a really weird one recently where they like beat me up.
They basically, like, this woman just, like, beat me.
Yeah, like a Thai massage.
And she was just standing on me.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's Thai massage.
That's awesome.
barry rothbart
She had her foot in my butt at some point.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Did she stretch you out, too?
Like, pull your legs and stuff?
barry rothbart
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
It was crazy.
joe rogan
Dude, stop bumping into that.
Ouchie loud.
brian redban
Did you get the prostate massage also, though?
Have you ever had that?
barry rothbart
No.
I've never gotten any of those happy endings.
I've never even been offered that.
brian redban
That's not a happy ending.
That's just an actual part of massage that a lot of places offer.
barry rothbart
Like they put their finger in your butt?
brian redban
They just rub around the butt.
unidentified
Wait a minute, dude.
barry rothbart
I've never heard of that.
joe rogan
Nobody massages your prostate in a regular...
Fucking massage.
brian redban
I've had massages that were not whack off massage places.
joe rogan
And then rub your butthole.
brian redban
They would rub, they put their thumb on it and they just rub around your butthole and like the muscles around your asshole.
joe rogan
It's prostate massage.
That can't be real.
Prostate massage?
brian redban
And with the finger in it, with a little finger in there.
No, shut the fuck up.
I swear to God.
Oh my god.
I swear to god.
I go to a lot.
I go to like...
joe rogan
Yeah, those are not regular massage parlors.
They're jerk-off places.
brian redban
But this is a place that didn't jerk me off.
joe rogan
And they rub your butthole area?
brian redban
Yeah, I think it's either Thai massage or Chinese massage.
barry rothbart
Just jerk the guy off at that point.
brian redban
It's pretty normal where they...
barry rothbart
Right?
unidentified
Why tease him?
barry rothbart
Yeah, just finish him off.
joe rogan
Well, it's weird that we have spots where you're not supposed to touch, you know?
And for women, it's a breast.
But for men, it doesn't matter at all.
You could rub a guy's breasts, you could rub a guy's pecs, and it does absolutely nothing.
Like, no one cares.
barry rothbart
Oh, yeah, she rubbed the hell out of it.
joe rogan
Yeah, a woman can have your arm and just push down on your breasts and manipulate them, and, you know, nobody freaks out.
barry rothbart
But even that, much like a stripper, like, I wanted to feel like she liked me.
You know what I mean?
Like I wanted to feel like I was different than the other massages.
brian redban
Of course.
barry rothbart
You know, like I was better at taking a massage.
joe rogan
Yeah, of course.
barry rothbart
And she did.
And I'm dating her.
joe rogan
And she's my wife.
She's my dream girl.
She's my one of a kind.
She stopped rubbing all those other dudes.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
joe rogan
Eventually.
barry rothbart
It just should be...
joe rogan
Look, people should be able to do anything they want.
If they want to suck dicks for money, they can do it as long as there's a camera in the room.
See how hypocritical that is?
If you wanted to film it and make a living by putting that on the internet and have a cam, and the guy could still come in and pay you.
He could still come in and pay you 500 bucks, you blow him on camera, and then, look, we just made porn.
Oh, okay.
You made porn.
Did you get all your tests?
unidentified
Yeah.
barry rothbart
I mean, it really is.
It's just antiquated from the time where there would be prostitute areas where they would walk around and it would be bad for business or the neighborhood.
Seedyness.
It would be seedy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
But you can't change it now.
There's no politician that's going to change that.
joe rogan
But they will still arrest people.
That's where it gets really weird.
It's like you're arresting people.
barry rothbart
Because it's arrest numbers.
joe rogan
You're paying for pleasure.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, oh...
barry rothbart
I mean, the same thing as gambling.
My dad was a bookie.
joe rogan
Oh, was he?
barry rothbart
Yeah, he was arrested several times for it.
joe rogan
No shit.
What, sports betting?
barry rothbart
Sports betting, yeah.
He was involved with the Gambino crime family.
joe rogan
Dude, what was that like?
How weird was that?
barry rothbart
It was weird.
I didn't know about it at all until I was older.
unidentified
Wow.
barry rothbart
And then I found out that he did all this shit.
joe rogan
You didn't know at all?
barry rothbart
I didn't know at all.
No, he was like, he's got a job.
He told everyone he was an accountant for many years.
joe rogan
Is that your phone that's vibrating like that?
barry rothbart
Probably.
joe rogan
It's just the old ball and chain.
When you were a kid, would you wonder, like, hey, where the fuck is Dad?
And he'd get arrested?
barry rothbart
No, I would wonder why he would promise these things.
He would promise a trip to California, and then all of a sudden he'd be like, I don't have the money.
Or he'd be like, I'm in jail, and I didn't know why.
joe rogan
I'm in jail, and he didn't know why?
barry rothbart
No, I didn't know why.
unidentified
You didn't know why?
barry rothbart
He wouldn't say he was in jail.
He'd just be like, I can't see you this week.
And it happened a few times.
joe rogan
But so he was in jail for very short stints.
barry rothbart
He actually was an informant for the FBI for a little bit, too.
unidentified
Whoa!
barry rothbart
Yeah, he took down his whole ring.
joe rogan
Holy shit, dude.
barry rothbart
He's dead now, so I can talk about it.
joe rogan
Fuck.
That had to be so stressful.
barry rothbart
It was.
It was.
And he took me around with him, like, to do this.
I remember he had to put cameras in this office, and I was like, because, you know, he had shared custody, so I would have to see him on weekends.
And he would have to go on weekends and put, like, these little mini cameras with this FBI dude.
Whoa, that is crazy.
And I would meet these guys, these gambling guys, in the back of a pizzeria in Brooklyn, and they would all give me $50 bills.
unidentified
How long did this go on for?
barry rothbart
25 years.
joe rogan
For 25 years you were involved with your dad doing this.
barry rothbart
Then I found out when I was a teenager and I started working for it.
And I became a bookie also.
unidentified
Whoa.
barry rothbart
In high school.
joe rogan
So when your dad turned States Evidence and your dad became an informant, did you know that he had turned States Evidence?
How old were you at the time?
barry rothbart
No, I was like eight.
joe rogan
You were eight?
barry rothbart
Yeah, I was really young.
joe rogan
So you started working for him after he became an informant.
barry rothbart
He did.
He became an informant, took down this one ring, and then he started working for a different gambling ring.
unidentified
Oh my God.
barry rothbart
For a different booking office.
joe rogan
That's so crazy.
barry rothbart
Yeah, it was really nuts.
joe rogan
What did he...
barry rothbart
Did you ever ask him about it?
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
We talked about it all the time.
barry rothbart
I was part of the business.
At some point, it started with me like I would have to dispose of evidence.
Like, they were like...
My dad was like, how do we get this kid a job?
So, you know, they would be like, just take these trash bags and throw them in different dumpsters around town.
unidentified
Wow.
barry rothbart
So I would take these trash...
And if I got caught with it, it would be so weird.
You know, these were like gambling slips.
These were evidence.
And then I graduated to like...
joe rogan
Did you ever get caught with them?
barry rothbart
No, no.
joe rogan
No.
barry rothbart
No, I never...
unidentified
But if you did it would have been a big deal.
barry rothbart
It would have been strange to have a 16-year-old kid going around with the evidence for this gambling ring.
joe rogan
So your dad gets busted.
He turns states evidence, right?
He gets these people arrested.
barry rothbart
Apparently what happened was he was told by one of the guys, one of the FBI guys, that there's going to be a raid, but we don't have enough evidence yet.
So we won't arrest you, or we will arrest you still, but we won't prosecute you if you put up cameras and stuff.
And you get this...
You get us more evidence.
And he did.
And then the weirdest thing is they just let him go back to doing it.
joe rogan
Was it sanctioned?
That was the question.
When he went back, did they know he was doing it and they let him?
barry rothbart
No.
I don't think that they just monitor you forever.
joe rogan
They just let you go.
barry rothbart
That was it.
joe rogan
So he just went back to what he always did.
barry rothbart
Went back to a different place.
joe rogan
How do you justify that?
That had to be so weird for him.
Get people arrested for doing something he is eventually going to go and do himself.
barry rothbart
Yeah, I never, you know what, I never asked him that.
That's a weird one.
I never, he actually, the reason he got into it, to even go more in depth on it, was he embezzled, I think, two million dollars from Ricoh Cameras in the 80s.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
barry rothbart
He was the CFO of Ricoh Cameras.
He was making, you know, in the mid-80s, he was making like $600,000, $700,000 a year, which is like now is way more.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's probably like a million and a half now, right?
barry rothbart
Yeah, he was making a lot of money back then.
We would take limos to Atlantic City every weekend.
unidentified
Whoa.
barry rothbart
And then, as the story goes, he was just, for two years, I think, just embezzling money.
He was just like doing shady transactions and taking money off the top.
unidentified
Wow.
barry rothbart
And then he got caught when there was a new CEO, and he blackmailed The CEO, because he had information on the company that they didn't want coming out.
And he got out, but he could never work in the industry again, so he became a gambler.
I mean, a bookie and a gambler.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
So he embezzled $2 million scot-free.
barry rothbart
Scott Frank, yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
joe rogan
What a crazy, stress-filled life.
barry rothbart
They were bringing up charges and everything, too.
Yeah.
They were starting to get charges together, and he was facing like 40, you know, life, almost life in prison.
joe rogan
He was the craziest fucking stress-filled life.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
And then he became a gambler, and this was around the time my mom left him, it was like 86. He bet $300,000 on the Red Sox to win the World Series in 86. Oh my god.
And they were in the World Series.
Remember the Buckner?
joe rogan
That was the Bill Buckner.
Buckner, yeah.
Oh no.
barry rothbart
And he lost $300,000, which was like most of their savings, and my mom left him the next day.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, man.
barry rothbart
Isn't that crazy?
joe rogan
No wonder why you're a comic.
No wonder, man.
barry rothbart
Yeah, I thought it was so cool, man.
When I got involved in it, it was like The Sopranos was on TV. It was like, my dad's a gangster.
But he was.
He was this fat Jewish guy.
He wasn't involved in any of that.
He knew guys that were strong men for the guy, really connected.
joe rogan
What did he die from?
barry rothbart
Colon cancer.
joe rogan
It's probably a lot of it due to stress, right?
barry rothbart
No, he treated his body like crap.
He basically didn't exist for the last 10 years of his life.
He didn't pay taxes.
He didn't have ID. He didn't have a bank account.
He had $50,000 in cash above his bed on a headboard.
joe rogan
Witness protection program style?
Is that what was going on?
barry rothbart
No, he just didn't want to pay taxes.
He didn't want to pay taxes on any of his money.
Wow.
So you can't, like, exist, really.
joe rogan
So did he know that he was sick?
barry rothbart
And he didn't have health insurance, so he didn't have any of that stuff, and he didn't take care of his body, and then he got sick, and it was already, like, stage four or stage five.
joe rogan
So he didn't know he was sick and just decided, fuck it, I'm not going to pay taxes, I'm just going to ride this out?
barry rothbart
I mean, he didn't pay taxes, I think, for around 15 years he didn't pay taxes.
unidentified
Wow.
barry rothbart
Yeah, he didn't exist.
He didn't have a driver's license.
He faked a driver's license.
He got a fake ID. God, what a character.
But he was a great dad.
He was like a really good dad.
joe rogan
You should do a one-man show about your dad.
barry rothbart
I know.
Well, that's the story on Ari's show, is I talk about my dad, too.
joe rogan
Wow, that's amazing.
barry rothbart
He would take me to Atlantic City all the time, and he taught me how to sort of count cards and blackjack.
In addition to being a boogie, he was a sicko gambler.
That was his big vice.
He never did drugs, he never drank, but he would gamble.
All his money.
joe rogan
That's incredible, man.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
joe rogan
My grandmother got arrested when I was a little kid.
She used to run numbers for the mob, and they wanted her to turn state's evidence, and she wouldn't do it, so they locked her in jail for six months.
So whenever we would go visit my grandma, she wouldn't be there.
My grandfather would be there.
Oh, your grandma's visiting Aunt Josie.
She would have some things she was doing.
Oh, she's with Aunt Marie this week.
It was some story, but meanwhile she was in some cell somewhere because she wouldn't rat on these guys.
They would do their version of the lottery.
It would be like running numbers.
barry rothbart
Yeah, the numbers is how much people bet total, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
barry rothbart
I did a version of that when I was in high school.
There was football cards that you could sell, which was...
It's the craziest thing.
You basically have to pick out of...
I think you list like ten games that weekend, all the football games, and you have to pick five winners out of the ten.
Which feels easy, right?
But it's so difficult out of these games to pick five winners.
And you charge $5 a card, and if less than half the people win, you make money.
And I was making money doing this for all of high school.
And then in college I became a real bookie.
I would actually get clients.
joe rogan
That's so crazy!
barry rothbart
Yeah, yeah.
I would go to these frat parties and get all these frat kids to bet through me.
joe rogan
Whoa.
Did you have any issues with that?
Like guys not paying or with like the school finding out?
barry rothbart
Yeah, you have like a few issues, but then it's just they can't bet anymore and they want to bet.
These people want to bet.
You never need to strong-arm people because they just can't bet next week if they don't pay.
joe rogan
I've never understood that.
When you do that, do you have to have like a stash of cash that you can match up with?
barry rothbart
Well, I had a deal worked out with my dad's gambling office where they would pay all of my losses and I would keep half my winnings.
So no matter who lost, they would pay them and I would just keep half the winning.
joe rogan
Now when you did that, did you have to have like a really sick knowledge of sports?
barry rothbart
Did you have to be on top of it?
joe rogan
How much time does that require?
barry rothbart
A lot.
You've got to stay on top of the odds because they're constantly changing.
And if a lot of people are betting on one side, you've got to move the point spread to favor the other side so people bet the other side.
unidentified
Wow.
barry rothbart
Yeah, it was nuts.
You could make up fun prop bets.
They have weird stuff like, will the Broncos score as much as Shaquille O'Neal?
On Sunday.
joe rogan
Oh, weird, crazy bets.
barry rothbart
Like, crazy bets, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, those were bets that people got accused of, like, shaving on, that, like, they got informed, you know, about certain things.
Like, I'm not saying you should lose this game, but if you do this, it would behoove us.
barry rothbart
Oh, that happens a lot.
joe rogan
You know, like, get to a certain number.
Like, you know, dude, you're at 32. Oh, shit.
Okay, cool, cool, cool.
And just throw some bricks.
barry rothbart
I learned, you know, apparently, I didn't know this, that, like, my dad would fix horse races.
That was his big thing.
unidentified
Whoa.
barry rothbart
Was you would just basically pay a jockey to hold a horse back.
joe rogan
I knew a jockey who got arrested for that.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
Oh, it's so common, apparently.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a guy who used to run those chariots.
You know those chariots?
You ever see those?
barry rothbart
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Harness.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And he literally stood up to try to get the horse to slow down because he was winning.
And they caught him standing up like, you piece of shit.
barry rothbart
That's what you do.
You hold them back for several races, they become a huge underdog, and then you let them loose, and they win.
It's the classic way to do it.
joe rogan
Well, this guy was trying to slow his horse down, and they barred him from being a jockey ever again.
And then he went and hired William Kunstler.
barry rothbart
Kunstler!
joe rogan
Yeah, he kept talking about it.
I got Kunstler.
I got Kunstler on my side.
I'm going to sue these cocksuckers.
I'm not going to make any money.
George the Greek.
He was this guy.
barry rothbart
The Greek.
joe rogan
He died of cancer, too.
barry rothbart
You know, Jimmy the Greek, there's like a whole documentary about him.
joe rogan
Oh, sure.
Yeah, that's the guy that claimed that black people's butts were higher.
barry rothbart
Did he?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's why he got arrested.
barry rothbart
Oh, that's right.
joe rogan
Or that's why he got fired, rather.
Yeah, he was saying about slave owners breeding, you know, the largest bucks with the...
Yeah.
That was his whole thing.
But meanwhile, he makes them actual points.
They did do that.
They did have slaves where they guaranteed took the largest males and tried to make them with the largest females to make stronger slaves.
I mean, that has to have happened at some point in time.
And the athletics that you see from black African Americans, they're the best athletes on earth.
And when you're a white guy and your name is Jimmy the Greek, you've got to try to figure out why that is.
barry rothbart
And you've got to be so sure about it.
You've got to be so sure.
joe rogan
Even though it's not scientific, for him, it's like, yeah, you know what they used to do?
They used to take the guys with the fucking biggest dicks and the best athletes, they breed them with the biggest women, and they make the biggest slaves.
barry rothbart
Bada bing, bada boom!
joe rogan
But they would say crazy shit back then on TV, like Howard Cosell got in trouble.
barry rothbart
They would smoke!
joe rogan
Remember when he said, look at that little monkey run?
That was like a statement that he had of, there was a football player who was like really fucking fast.
barry rothbart
Yeah, well what becomes taboo changes all the time, right?
You ever go back recently and watch Eddie Murphy Raw?
joe rogan
Oh my god, yeah.
barry rothbart
You're just like, oh my god, this is all gay.
This is all homophobic.
Weirdly angry towards gay people material.
joe rogan
Yeah, and everybody went along with it.
There was a way, back then, all you used to do was say, this is a fucking faggot, and everybody would go, yeah!
barry rothbart
Oh, in my lifetime, faggot was fine.
It was fine to say.
Like, I remember when I was a kid, it was just like, it's just a fun word.
And now it's like, it's on the par of the N-word.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're not supposed to use it anymore.
It's too bad.
It was a great word while it lasted.
unidentified
I miss it.
joe rogan
And even when it was not used in a gay sense, you know, you use it.
barry rothbart
Look at this faggot pen.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Look at this little faggot monkey over here trying to throw bananas at me.
Get back up in your tree.
barry rothbart
I feel like we're going to get a Jezebel article about this podcast.
joe rogan
Why?
We're not saying anything's wrong.
We're not like...
We're not on the side of Jimmy the Greek or on the side of people that are calling a football player a monkey.
We're just saying how weird it is.
barry rothbart
But black people can run better.
joe rogan
Look, I don't know why it's racist to say they're the best athletes.
I don't know why that's racist.
It's good.
They're better.
Like, look at LeBron James.
Look at Kobe Bryant.
Look at John Jones.
Look at Anthony Rebel Johnson.
barry rothbart
Well, there's a school of thought that it's because that's what they're, you know, in their lack of educational infrastructure, that's what they're able to do.
Maybe.
That's who their role models are.
joe rogan
There's also, like, bone density.
African Americans have significantly more bone density than white people.
In fact, African American women on par a lot of times have a similar bone density to white European men.
It's weird.
Yeah, there's, like, physical advantages to being African American, especially, like...
There's people from certain parts of Africa that are just unbelievably good at running.
To the point where all marathon runners and all these Olympic medalists and certain distance running came from this one area.
barry rothbart
With white people, too.
I was in Norway, and they have huge people there.
Scandinavians are huge.
joe rogan
I was just in Sweden this past weekend.
barry rothbart
A lot of Viking-looking people.
They're these huge-looking dudes.
Really square jaws.
joe rogan
Genetics.
Like, those were Vikings.
They literally were Vikings.
barry rothbart
But why were Vikings bigger?
joe rogan
They got the spoils.
They got all the food.
barry rothbart
They got the food.
joe rogan
And the toughest and the strongest stayed alive.
They live in these harsh northern climates way before they had anything other than burning wood to stay warm.
I mean, they survived like that for hundreds and hundreds of years.
And there's the strong genes of these Vikings.
But it's okay to be a Viking because then you are a conqueror.
You're like a winner.
But if you say that someone has really good genes because they're a slave, it's derogatory.
So that's where people take issue with it.
barry rothbart
Oh, I can see why people take issue with it.
joe rogan
Like, if there was a bunch of people that were from Norway, if you were like some Jewini-Greek type guy and you're on TV, the thing about these guys from Sweden, fucking Norway, is they're bigger because they used to kill everybody.
They were on horses, they had big swords, they were big guys.
barry rothbart
These faggots from Norway.
joe rogan
Yeah, only the fucking ones that were bigger survived.
They would breed the big males with the big females, and they would come with the best athletes.
Nobody from Norway would get mad at you.
barry rothbart
I mean, you know, the thing is, I grew up with guys like that.
Like, all my dad's friends were like that.
My uncles were like that.
And they just would be just so casually racist at the dinner table, you know?
I mean, seriously, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a common thing.
barry rothbart
Even now, like, my parents, my mom, and my grandma, you know, they'll just be like, I just don't understand why Mexicans have to be here.
You know, like, they'll say things like that.
Like, just so reasonable.
Like, just like, I just don't understand.
Why do they have to be here?
joe rogan
Oh, that's so funny.
There were people that grew up in a certain pattern, and that certain pattern was like, it is normal to distrust people of other ethnicities and races.
It's like, that's the pattern.
barry rothbart
It's so normal.
joe rogan
It's soldered into your brain.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
joe rogan
And to break that pattern...
brian redban
It was all the humor.
barry rothbart
It was all the humor of my family growing up was racial.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if someone tried to put on, like, Archie Bunker on a TV show today?
barry rothbart
Yeah.
joe rogan
How long would that last?
How long would it last?
Before some people would implode just by Twitter and Facebook comments.
barry rothbart
Yeah, it would be a great podcast, though.
The Archie Bunker Podcast.
brian redban
Watch it!
joe rogan
You can't be racist like that anymore.
It just doesn't exist.
barry rothbart
No, it's the other way.
You have to have every type of demographic in a show.
joe rogan
Yeah, you've got to cover everything.
You've got to cover every single base from top to bottom.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, we live in a time where people are just more aware of what was fucked up about the past, too.
We live in a time where people are more aware of what was really bad about, you know...
barry rothbart
Or what's going on now.
People are really aware of that.
Like, I don't think there could be another Holocaust now.
You know, people would know about it instantly.
joe rogan
I wonder.
I mean, look at North Korea.
They could have something similar there.
I wonder how many people would have to die before they would act, before people...
barry rothbart
Well, they don't have oil there.
They don't have resources there that we need.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
Right?
joe rogan
But I mean, like, how far could it go?
I mean, he is essentially the last of the great dictators, right?
How far do you think he'd go with his human rights atrocities before we, as a united world, said, fuck this guy?
barry rothbart
I mean, it's clear.
All he would have to do is go past a border.
Once he's like, I need more land, or I need more people, or I need more resources, then we're just like, no way.
It happened.
It was the Korean War, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, was that?
barry rothbart
We're just fine.
If he's contained there, killing all these people that we don't care about, you know.
joe rogan
Yeah, was that one of the few times in...
History where there's like, there's a North Korea and a South Korea, and they live right next to each other, and they fucking hate each other, and they look exactly the same.
barry rothbart
Well, it's India and Pakistan is like that, too.
joe rogan
Similar, but they have different religions, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Don't they?
Doesn't India and Pakistan, don't they show like Indians more Hindu, Pakistan is more Muslim?
unidentified
Muslim.
barry rothbart
Yeah, there is a religious war there, but they are so close.
There was this Vice documentary about...
I feel like Vice documentary are just fodder for hipsters to have conversations.
You see this Vice doc, man?
No, where they show the border, and there's just these troops just staring at each other.
Like Pakistan troops and India troops just looking at each other a few feet away.
Just like, don't do it, man.
joe rogan
And they all have bombs, both sides.
barry rothbart
Oh, yeah, they have nukes.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like us being at war with Mexico.
You know, like going down to La Jolla and you're looking across the border at tanks pointing in your direction.
barry rothbart
We were, yeah.
This was Mexico.
joe rogan
Yeah, a big part of it.
Yeah, that's one of the big issues with some people in L.A. is that L.A. was stolen from the Mexicans.
You know, there was some radical UCLA professor that I remember he had these videos that he was putting out.
This is stolen!
Latino land!
And he had this crazy speech that he was giving.
Like, stolen?
What generation are we talking about here, man?
When was this stolen?
barry rothbart
I mean, it was one in a war.
joe rogan
By the way, it wasn't yours to begin with.
What about the Native Americans?
Mexico is Native American plus Spanish.
That's what it is.
Spaniards came down, landed, the Incas.
They bred.
Everybody had sex.
That is a lot of what Mexico is.
That's a lot of Mexican heritage.
It has to do with people from Spain who came over to Mexico.
I mean, that's the real reality.
And when you go back before then, are we going to give everything to the Inuits?
Are we going to give everything to the people that came over from Asia, the Bering Strait?
They're the original ones.
The Native Americans are the original Mexicans, the original North Americans.
It wasn't all Mexico.
This is all people.
It's all people.
barry rothbart
Yeah, and we destroyed them.
joe rogan
The only argument, though...
barry rothbart
We annihilated these people.
We wiped them off the face of the earth.
joe rogan
There's a lot of that.
The other argument is that...
We don't let them come over here.
There's a clear border.
There's a clear border.
There's a lot of issues.
It's hard to just get over here.
It doesn't matter who owns it.
It's everybody's.
Not really.
You can't really come over here.
If you do, they keep an eye on you.
They don't want you to stay.
brian redban
Did you hear we just busted a Russian spy ring recently?
That's still a thing?
We still have Russian spies.
joe rogan
Did you hear about the hot chick that they had that was a Russian spy?
unidentified
Yes.
Wow.
joe rogan
It was a hot chick that was like chatting guys up and getting information.
barry rothbart
Wow.
joe rogan
And now she's back.
She's like a superstar back in Russia.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
We deported her.
barry rothbart
How cool is it that Russia's a villain again?
brian redban
Yeah.
barry rothbart
I mean, it's been many years.
brian redban
I think they always have been.
I think it's just...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not cool at all.
Is this really the only way that you could search things yet we have to see you search in front of those cameras now?
unidentified
Hello.
joe rogan
That's the only way to do it?
barry rothbart
Is that Amy Adams?
joe rogan
Okay, let's buy a couple more things because this is awkward.
Yeah, that's her.
That's the Russian.
barry rothbart
Oh, man.
joe rogan
And she's in like the Maxim, the version of Maxim in Russia.
unidentified
Look.
barry rothbart
Being hot is more interesting than anything else that you do.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
brian redban
Was she an escort?
Or how did she...
joe rogan
Well, she was a spy, and she worked for Russia.
And she would, like, mate with guys, breed with them, get their sperm and their ideas and information.
Yeah, but what do spies do?
She would, um...
Oh, she sent marriage proposal to Edward Snowden.
barry rothbart
She looks like a Bond spy.
She really looks like it.
joe rogan
She tweeted a marriage proposal, but that was back in 2013. She might have since gone on to a thousand different dicks.
barry rothbart
Yeah, that's the next article.
joe rogan
Yeah, who knows?
barry rothbart
Who knows who she's bringing?
X-Russian Spy goes to a thousand dicks.
joe rogan
It's hilarious, though, that they hired a woman to go over and seduce men and get information from them.
barry rothbart
Smart.
joe rogan
It's cute.
barry rothbart
Russians, man, they will never be okay with just being...
joe rogan
Number two.
barry rothbart
Number two.
Yeah, they can't.
joe rogan
Nobody wants to be number two.
barry rothbart
All these guys, too, like Putin and all the guys who run the government were part of...
You know, the real USSR. They were raised in that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
barry rothbart
That's normal to them.
joe rogan
Well, Putin is the most gangster of all the people today that's in control of a large government because he's so transparent.
Like when they arrest people and take away their businesses and throw them in the gulag.
barry rothbart
Right.
joe rogan
It's awful.
barry rothbart
He's like their Reagan.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
We've never had anybody like Putin.
The guy got elected out, like he left, like he did his term, left, put some puppet government in his place, and then went back and started running it again.
barry rothbart
They're very alpha culture.
I grew up with a lot of Russians.
It's really all about strongest, most, best jewelry, best dressed.
It's very alpha.
These guys are so alpha.
joe rogan
Well, they have to probably survive that weather.
Isn't there probably some...
barry rothbart
Right.
You need a lot of Fila jumpsuits.
If you're living in Russia.
joe rogan
No, but I mean like the genetics, just the culture and the genes to survive that sort of an environment.
Unbelievably harsh climate.
barry rothbart
So many didn't.
joe rogan
Scant resources under the thumb of an oppressive government.
barry rothbart
You know, I just read a stat that directly related to Stalin, like directly related, 49 million people died.
unidentified
Wow.
barry rothbart
He killed 49 million people during his reign.
joe rogan
That's insane.
barry rothbart
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
I never would have thought it was that high.
barry rothbart
Yeah, 49 million.
joe rogan
Wow.
barry rothbart
Like, unnatural causes.
That's so fucked.
And he put them in camps, like concentration camps and stuff.
joe rogan
Isn't it funny that he doesn't get brought up the same way like Hitler does or any of these other horrible murders?
unidentified
Isn't that crazy?
brian redban
Because he's too scary.
He has too much power.
I think, you know, that's...
Or, I mean, uh, never mind.
Yeah, I don't know why.
I meant Russia in general.
joe rogan
No, we're talking about someone killing 49 million people.
barry rothbart
He killed 49 million people.
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's so bizarre that that's not brought up on a regular basis.
barry rothbart
I couldn't believe it either.
I looked at it and I was like, this can't be real.
Yeah, he basically would just send people to these Siberian gulags and they would just work to death and he would just kill them.
joe rogan
What's the number of people that Hitler supposedly killed?
barry rothbart
Eight million, right?
joe rogan
Isn't that weird?
barry rothbart
Yeah, it is weird.
joe rogan
That's very strange that he's responsible for so much more.
unidentified
I mean, it was quicker.
barry rothbart
Hitler did that very quickly.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And was going to keep going.
barry rothbart
I think so.
joe rogan
He's just getting ramped up.
barry rothbart
Yeah, Hitler is like a different category than any evil.
You know, there's like evil and then there's a huge jump to Hitler.
No one even approaches that.
joe rogan
Well, I think the really scary thing about Hitler for a lot of people wasn't just that he was evil, because there have been evil people throughout history, but that he was incredibly charismatic and we can watch it.
barry rothbart
Right.
joe rogan
We can actually see it on a film for one of the first times.
If someone can go back and see video footage of Alexander the Great and go, oh, that's what was going on.
Or Napoleon.
Oh, that's what was going on.
barry rothbart
But we can see Stalin and we don't talk about that.
joe rogan
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's something about those speeches that Hitler gave, though, where he was out there in front of all those...
His fucking hair was going crazy and he's screaming and he's methed up.
Now that we know what he was doing.
barry rothbart
Oh he was?
joe rogan
He was all methed up.
barry rothbart
He was a great artist.
He was a painter, yeah.
joe rogan
Was he?
George W. Bush is a painter, too.
barry rothbart
Oh, he's great.
joe rogan
Have you seen the paintings he does now?
barry rothbart
I would love to buy one of his paintings.
joe rogan
Ugh.
barry rothbart
Most bad karma you would have having those fucking things in your house?
He paints stuff that a nine-year-old would paint.
joe rogan
Yeah.
unidentified
Kitty cats.
barry rothbart
He paints like a dog.
He paints like a hand turkey.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
A hand turkey.
Yeah, he paints like a kitten, and like, you know, has a little blue underneath it as the background, and then that's it.
His artwork is dog shit.
brian redban
Who, Hitler?
barry rothbart
No, Bush!
joe rogan
Jesus, Brian, you gotta pay attention.
You can't just sit there on your iPad.
brian redban
No.
joe rogan
Seriously, you can't just interject in the middle.
This is twice you did that in a row where you didn't know what we were saying.
brian redban
No, I know what you were saying the first time and the second time.
I was looking at Stalin and it says 40 to 60 million is what I was watching when you guys started this second story.
joe rogan
When?
unidentified
What?
brian redban
You said it was how many million did you say?
barry rothbart
49 million?
brian redban
Yeah, they were saying actually historians are saying 40 to 60 million.
So that's what I was looking at and I thought you guys were talking about it.
joe rogan
No, we were just talking about George Bush's artwork.
His dog shit artwork.
barry rothbart
Wait, you're saying Hitler killed 60 million?
brian redban
No.
joe rogan
No.
Stalin.
barry rothbart
Stalin.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
40 to 60. Right.
That's a huge range.
That's a jump of 20 million.
barry rothbart
That is when you're talking about people being murdered.
That's a huge range.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck.
barry rothbart
Yeah, maybe 20 more million than we thought.
joe rogan
Well, that's often the case with serial killers, too.
Like, everybody's scared of, like, certain serial killers.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And then you hear about some that no one even knows about, and they killed, like, 100 people.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
It's like...
How does everybody not know?
barry rothbart
You ever think about how many...
joe rogan
Look at this fucking shitty artwork.
This is George Bush's shitty artwork.
God, he draws puppies and shit.
barry rothbart
And he wears an apron.
unidentified
I know.
brian redban
Who does that?
You know I'm wearing a paint with an apron on.
joe rogan
Could you imagine the fucking nightmares that guy must have?
barry rothbart
I don't think he knows.
I think that guy is so simple that he is just like, whatever.
Some people told me to do things and I did them.
joe rogan
Might be right.
Yeah, he might be right.
barry rothbart
That guy sleeps just fine.
joe rogan
What about Dick Cheney?
How does he sleep?
barry rothbart
He sleeps with a baby in his mouth.
He sleeps chewing on a baby.
brian redban
He painted Leno a painting.
barry rothbart
He's perfect.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
barry rothbart
That's so good.
joe rogan
George Bush made a painting of Jay Leno for Jay Leno.
barry rothbart
He gives you a painting.
unidentified
Wow.
barry rothbart
Who would have thought that guy was a war criminal?
joe rogan
Can you imagine all the time he spent making that painting?
Just imagine how creepy you would feel about George Bush just sitting there thinking of nothing but you for hours while he's painting you.
brian redban
Look how proud he looks.
He's like...
joe rogan
I made this for you.
And Jay Leno's like, it's haunted.
I feel it.
It's got the texture of a million dead Iraqis.
I found the weapons of mass destruction.
It's this fucking painting.
It's terrible artwork, man.
It's just weird that this guy is one of the most hated figures in American politics ever, worldwide.
George W. Bush, yeah.
People connect him with the Iraq War, with the Afghanistan War, with all the poor decisions.
barry rothbart
Yeah, he's going to go down as one of the worst ever, if not the worst.
We're still too close to it.
joe rogan
Well, the poor decisions that were made following 9-11 and how 9-11 happened...
You know, and all the crazy conspiracy people to think that he was in on it, or they were in on it.
barry rothbart
Yeah, you know, all those conspiracies when they're like, it's an inside job.
It's never like Bush.
You know, it's like some rogue CIA guy.
You know, I feel like people think that like, Bush is there just like, okay, we got to knock down these towers.
joe rogan
Well, do you remember Vincent the Chin Gigante?
barry rothbart
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, you're well immersed in the crime world because of your dad.
He used to walk around like a crazy person with a bathrobe on and act like he was nuts.
And that's how he got away with a lot of what he did.
Like, he wouldn't talk to anybody in his house, and he would go walk, and he would walk and talk to people, and he would act like he was nuts all the time.
barry rothbart
Well, I think it also came out later that he was nuts.
joe rogan
He actually was nuts.
barry rothbart
He had schizophrenia, yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I guess if you act like you're nuts long enough, eventually, maybe the, like, nature, it's like, don't hold your eyes like that, we'll stay that way, you know, maybe it's one of those things.
barry rothbart
But that is a good, yeah, you like hide in plain sight kind of thing.
joe rogan
Well, maybe Bush is a really smart guy, and everybody shut the door.
Is everybody gone?
Listen, man, I knew what the fuck was going on.
How do you think?
Nobody's angry at me.
Notice that?
Everybody hates Dick Cheney.
barry rothbart
But I believe that the powers, the real powers, not like Illuminati type stuff, but the guys like the Roves and the Karl Rove, the people who actually get presidents elected, they don't want to choose people that have a lot of independent Oh yeah, of course.
They want to choose people that are just going to be like, okay, sure, sure.
joe rogan
Well, that's John F. Kennedy.
barry rothbart
Or who want power so bad that they'll just be willing to do anything for it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And John F. Kennedy, that was like the big knock on him was that he wouldn't play ball.
Is that, you know, he had this idea in his head of how he was going to do things and they shot it out of him.
barry rothbart
And people, too, you know, they're always like, why don't they just do what they said they were going to do during the election?
I found out once that, you know, there's a full day when you are elected where they take you to the CIA. If you're elected president, they take you there and they tell you all the secrets.
Like, they tell you all the secrets that people don't know.
For a full day.
They're just like, okay, here's all the shit that the American public does not know.
And then I feel like you're like, oh, well, I can't do any of that stuff I said.
Like, there's like aliens pointing something at us.
You know, who knows what, you know?
joe rogan
Well, there's for sure some shit that we're doing, like, covertly that a lot of people think, we're going to close Guantanamo Bay.
Actually, no, you're not.
And here's why.
And you're like, oh, yeah, I'm not.
barry rothbart
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, there's so much stuff.
joe rogan
Fuck, man.
barry rothbart
And there's so many financial interests.
I've got to pee.
Is that cool?
Yeah, go ahead, dude.
unidentified
Go ahead.
barry rothbart
Can I do that?
joe rogan
Yeah, we've got to wrap this thing up soon anyway.
Unfortunately, I've got to get out of here.
All right, we'll just wrap it up, man.
Your episode is going to be when?
Your episode on This Is Not Happening.
barry rothbart
The 12th.
joe rogan
The 12th.
February 12th.
unidentified
February 12th.
joe rogan
And This Is Not Happening is on?
barry rothbart
1230 a.m.
on Comedy Central.
joe rogan
In what nights?
barry rothbart
What's the 12th?
joe rogan
Thursday nights?
Thursday nights at 1230. And it's our pal Ari Shafir's show and Barry Rothbart.
You can follow him on Twitter.
Dude, we've got to do another one.
Let's do a long one next time.
I have more time and you have more time.
Fucking awesome.
Love talking to you.
You're a funny dude.
Very interesting story, too.
Your life story is amazing, man.
barry rothbart
Yeah, we get into it.
joe rogan
So follow him on Twitter.
Twitter?
Twitter.
Barry Rothbart.
And watch his show on February 12th.
12th.
barry rothbart
Yes.
joe rogan
On Comedy Central, 12.30 on Thursday night.
This is not happening.
Alright, friends.
We'll see you next week.
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