Big Jay Oakerson and Joe Rogan debate comedy’s dark edges—from Kevin Hart’s Sweet Cheeks club, where Oakerson quit after being forced to use racial slurs by Ignit Nigga, to Daniel Tosh’s rape joke controversy and Vince Vaughn’s prison sentence—highlighting how online desensitization and viral outrage reshape humor’s boundaries. They also dissect Jon Jones’s fight ethics, comparing his post-bout aggression to Roy Jones Jr.’s career collapse after brutal knockouts, while Rogan admits childhood bias against Black boxers like Larry Holmes. Oakerson’s frustration with social justice policing comedy clashes with Rogan’s defense of artistic freedom, underscoring how modern backlash and internet culture demand reckoning with both content and intent. [Automatically generated summary]
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There's so many people that have hurt themselves doing that kind of stuff, those powerlifting exercises.
You know, especially Steve...
Maxwell, who's a real expert in fitness.
He's in incredible shape.
He's 62 years old.
He's just an animal and just a wealth of knowledge.
He's not a fan of those type of workouts because he said that those powerlifting workouts should all be done with very strict form and very heavy weights and very low reps.
He's like, so they're essentially taking these These workouts that are all about this one big explosion and the most you can get up, and they're doing them over and over and over and over and over and over.
And some people can get away with that, but some people get really fucked up.
Well, they also have the element of competition to it, which I never really bought into because I was just trying to lose a lot of weight and get in shape.
So I looked at it as, like, whatever was on that board was my workout, but there was a competition element, so it is funny that they spend...
About the first 15 minutes of any CrossFit class I've done is showing you the form of today's workout.
This is the proper deadlift.
This is the proper, you know, like, clean, power clean.
And then they do that for 15 minutes, and then they go, all right, as fast as you can now for seven minutes.
It's so crazy.
And, you know, and these people are competitive people, and they want to win, so guys just, like...
For anybody that's thinking about doing any kind of workout with either kettlebells or even just regular weights, just dumbbells or barbells, please start off slow.
If you've never done any workout before, what working out is all about is tearing down your muscle fiber and then it heals.
And when it heals, it gets stronger.
You have to tear it down.
And then you have to recover.
The recovery is one of the most important parts, and that's one of the things that fucks up a lot of athletes.
It's one of the number one issues when it comes to wrestlers, like a lot of wrestlers, because they're so mentally tough, they overtrain, they fuck their body up because their body's never getting the proper rest.
You know, if you're not a competitive athlete that's in some sort of a program where you can't decide how much workout you have to do because you have to follow the team, if you're not in that kind of an athletic program and you can do it yourself...
Be fucking smart about it.
It's hard to do because everybody wants to just, God damn it, I've been a fat ass.
I've been eating donuts and drinking Cokes.
I'm going to clean up my diet and I'm going to work out like an animal.
If you do it too hard, too quick, you'll rip things apart.
That's why steroids, what they do is they help you heal fast so you can work out harder.
Exactly.
That's such a funny misconception always about steroids where even in movies they would make it like they stick steroids in Drago's arm and he could just win fights.
People always treated Barry Bonds like that.
They were like, he takes steroids, he injects it in his arm so he can crack home runs.
I mean, none of these guys are taking it and then just being world beaters.
They're taking it and working out like demons and then being world beaters.
Yeah, there's a lot going on with that stuff.
But the real problem with it is it crashes their endocrine systems.
It fucks up their body.
I was watching this thing on Bodybuilders, man.
This video.
I was watching this online where this guy was interviewing a bodybuilder.
I responded to him.
It's in my timeline yesterday.
It's the craziest shit ever.
This dude who was a big-time competitive bodybuilder talked about how he got into it and talked about all the stuff that he was dumping into his body, and it's like, whoa!
Fucking pain pills every day, Vicodin, steroids, this, that.
His kidney was like 30. His kidney was ready to go.
They were like, dude, you're going to be on dialysis in a year.
It's over.
You're going to have to need new kidneys.
You're just crashing the whole party.
Just big giant purple fucking grape monster with needle marks and fucking veins everywhere.
And they just get addicted.
They get addicted to that thing of sticking chemicals in your body and making your body bigger and training like a monster.
You'd call them a junkie, too, if you saw what they did.
They had a plate.
I mean, I grew up with them.
My stepfather was a competitive powerlifter, so he knew a lot of friends who were bodybuilders and stuff, and you'd see these guys have a plate of pills in front of them every day.
But yeah, junkie behavior, it exists in a lot of forms.
It exists in gambling.
Gambling is the big one.
I'm around so many people.
I know so many people that have really crazy gambling problems.
That video that you just put up, Keith is going to be on the podcast.
We're working it out right now.
It looks like he'll be on October 10th.
Really looking forward to having him on and talking to him.
The video is the best workout video I've ever had.
The Extreme Kettlebell Cardio Workout Series.
They're so brutal.
That's all you need, folks.
You don't need a gym membership.
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You take one kettlebell, a 35-pound kettlebell, and it will fuck you up.
I mean, literally, you don't need any more equipment.
And that kettlebell will be around to the end of time.
It's solid metal.
Those things, they're so fucking durable.
You never have to worry about them breaking.
I mean, you buy one, you have that for life.
You can pass those things, including the artistic ones.
The werewolf and the chimpanzee, those are solid cast steel.
I mean, those are iron kettlebells.
These are like the old Russian metal.
I guess it's...
I guess it's iron, but the Russians were the ones who developed these things, this design.
I mean, there's some of them, they make some of them that are like aluminum on the outside, and they're kind of weighted on the inside.
These are not those.
These are solid, solid metal, and they're awesome.
You can't get, like, any better quality kettlebells.
We found the best ones you can get online.
And they're a little more awkward in some ways to lift with than some of the, like, what they call competition kettlebells that are larger kettlebells but lighter.
But that awkwardness, I think, is good.
You know, everybody's trying to be fucking comfortable.
With these goddamn things, they're difficult to use, and that's how I do my squats now.
The government's stepping up and ending these evil, evil e-cigarettes that are stealing money from the mouths of the babies of the families that own the tobacco companies.
There's also, like, on certain shows, like, you'll see everything, even movies, you'll see, like, every product is a Sony...
And they'll close up on the Sony phone when someone gets a phone call, so you see the Sony logo, and it'll be on a Vio laptop, and you go, oh, Sony has a deal in this movie.
Actually, when it's not Sony, it seems like they always use Apple computers, and they always have the sticker over the Apple logo or iPhones, but they have the Apple logo covered up for some reason, like every single TV show.
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So it's almost like Apple's like, no, you have to pay us to show the Apple logo.
You know, I'm not sucking my own dick, but I did a show called P. Diddy's Bad Boys of Comedy on HBO. And that was, it turns out, that was just an entire season of a TV show to promote Sean John clothing.
I've seen that where friends were thinking about going on a reality show, and they brought the contract to someone, and it turns out, say, if they created some new show, like a Real Housewives type show, and then you became the breakout star and took off and had cookbooks and shit like a lot of these chicks do and started making bank.
They're saying that you have no value other than the value that they gave you.
I mean, they own it.
They don't benefit from having a talented person on their show that rewards them and gives them ratings, which in turn gives them more advertising.
No, no, no, no, no.
They want a piece of your future prosperity.
Your future prosperity based on you being an entertaining person that they put on television.
So not only do they want to pay people just a shit tiny amount of money, then they want to script what they're doing, but then treat them like they're not even actors.
You don't get on a sitcom and they say, okay, we own all your book sales and your fucking, you know, anything you do in the movies or anything from here on out.
If you're like the guy who's on The Bachelor and he owns like a horse stable, if after that show the horse stables business picks up huge, Dude, I think that's crazy talk.
I think a person who's working for you when they're doing something like that, if you're a producer of a television show or an executive in a network or what have you...
I don't know who's getting the money.
You hire someone.
You're hiring someone because you think that they're going to be the best performer in this production that you're putting on.
Let's stop pretending they're reality shows.
The only reality show is fucking cops.
You know how you know it's a reality show?
Because one of the guys got shot and killed the other day because it's real.
And then you see like a hog spinning around on a thing.
I do stand-up comedy, but I also love cooking.
So I decided to open up.
And then they, what, they own you?
They own you?
They own a piece of you forever?
That's more shit.
The reason why they want you on the show in the first place, whether you're some crazy housewife that fucking gets pilled up and starts screaming at people, or whether you're Charlie Sheen, if he ever does a reality show, the reason why they want you is because they think people are going to tune into you and they're going to benefit from that.
These reality shows where they take people, and we're talking about him being forced to wear those shirts, and I'm saying that these shows, like him saying that he was going to be managing him for three years afterwards, they connect people in these weird ways where they'll own you for a long time.
Well, what we were saying earlier I think is really true about these reality shows being completely scripted.
But the reason why is because these kind of shows can happen where they're just boring.
Nothing's happening.
You know, if the Kardashians aren't fighting with their mom or fighting with their boyfriend or this guy's out of rehab or that girl's pregnant, it's always like something you're tuning into.
Well, this gets into the subject of what we were talking about the other day with Anthony Cumia getting hit on the street while he's taking photographs.
People don't react well.
That guy reacted very well to getting hit.
He didn't hit back.
A lot of people just hit back when they get hit.
Especially if you're a man and you're hitting a woman.
Anytime people are hitting people, if a woman hits you, it's fucking dangerous, man.
Getting punched in the face is...
Everybody thinks that a woman can punch you in the face and you're going to be fine.
There's a lot of women that will knock you the fuck out, man.
Especially if they connect on your jaw.
You can't be hitting people.
And if you do hit people, man, you've got to be really careful who you're hitting.
Because if they hit you back, like if that guy just decided to tee off on that chick, I mean, you see the way he threw her to the ground?
That's a guy who knows martial arts, for sure.
And he was avoiding all of her hitting him, but he wasn't hitting her back.
But if he did, man, you're running in flailing your arms and some guy uncorks one on your face.
Yeah, and the amount of distance that your head travels.
If you're a six-foot-tall man and someone knocks you out, you're probably going to travel a good five and a half, six feet.
I mean, depending on how you're standing, you go unconscious, that's a lot of distance, probably more than six feet, because you're going to fall back first, too.
I mean, there's probably going to be a lot of momentum connected to your head bouncing off that concrete.
I always think that there's a lot of them out there that people aren't aware of.
So I'm not shocked when I see it.
I'm always like, I fucking knew it.
I know there's people like that out there.
I know there's people that have experienced just...
Awful shit from the time they were born.
If you grow up in a household where everybody's beating the fuck out of everybody, and you go to school, and people beat the fuck out of everybody, and you see abuse, and you see people are going to jail left and right, and life has no value, and you're seeing people die, that's what you're seeing.
When you watch those world star hip-hop tapes where a dude's out cold, and guys are running by just punting him in the head, I've seen a bunch of those.
But if you were confronted by someone that you were trying to protect, someone that you cared about very much, and you're trying to protect them, that's when people get murderous, when they feel like someone is trying to murder someone you love.
But as I'm saying, my point is being like, I promise whatever the situations were, On the World Star Hip Hop videos where guys are getting face-punted, I promise they weren't...
Yeah, or talking shit, or starting a fight when they were too drunk and they got knocked out, and then once they were out, everybody just started taking free shots at them.
I mean, the noise he's making after that excess...
And what's ridiculous about it, it was such a...
A cock-wagging, because the reason that guy went so far is because when he was trying to do a show-off like, oh, let me stand up and fight this guy, and shut him up, he wasn't doing very good.
The karate guy was not beating his ass in this fight.
This weirdo was actually giving him a hard time to some degree.
There's a thing that happens in martial arts schools, though, where if you're running a martial arts school, crazy people will show up, and they'll start shit.
I've seen it.
I've seen it firsthand.
I've seen it at my Taekwondo school.
My instructor would take guys like that that would come into schools, and he would make them spar with black belts.
And put them just like, you know, you go, okay, so you know how to fight.
You're a pretty good guy, right?
We're going to do some sparring here.
Okay, you have your gear?
We have gear for you.
Do you have your gear?
And they would like lure these guys in because they would come to school and they would go, you are a false master.
You can watch a class, but you can't yell things out.
Like, people...
There's nutty people that'll come in that have, like, real mental issues.
And they can be dangerous.
You know, they also could be martial arts trained, too.
There's a lot of people that just learned how to throw kicks and punches from friends.
Like if you teach an athletic person how to deliver a good straight punch and just show them the mechanics of it and they practice on a heavy bag, they can fuck you up if they hit you.
They don't really have to be like really well trained and disciplined.
And so there's a lot of people that have martial arts abilities, like the ability to punch you really hard in the face, but they don't really know how to fight.
They've never been formally trained, but they might charge you and punch you in the face and they could be really dangerous.
So if you're in a sort of a scenario like that, a lot of times these markets Sure.
Yeah.
Didn't seem like that in this video.
In this video, it seemed like they lured the guy in, set him up, and then beat the shit out of him to death.
The saddest part is at one point, during when they're just kind of like, it almost seems like slapboxing, the homeless guy stops him and he goes, you're good.
But I wonder if they just got away with shit like that and this was the only one that people saw.
I wonder if this had happened more than once.
Because if a guy's willing to beat a guy to death like that and then dispose of a body, and this is the only piece of evidence that some schizophrenic guy was murdered...
Like, that motherfucker's probably killed a bunch of people before.
And he's a Marine.
That's the other thing.
We don't know what kind of action he saw.
You know, if you're serving your country and you're used to killing people on a regular basis, then you come back home and some fucking crazy schizo guy wants to come into your karate school and talk shit, yeah, you'll let a guy kill him.
But the idea behind it was my instructor was training a bunch of people for national tournaments.
So the idea was like, these guys can't hang with you.
You're a national level competitor.
And this is a good thing to experience because it's very dangerous.
So you're going to have to perform under some very real pressure.
like people just swinging at your face and you know you're dancing around inside this closed area looking to knock each other out and it happened a lot it happened I mean I'm not a lot but it happened every three four months over the course of like seven years that I was there every three or four months some guy from another school We'd come into town and would want to show people up.
You'd want to show everybody how much better his style was, and people would duke it out.
It was crazy when you stop and think about it.
This is all pre-UFC, and there was a lot of delusional people, too.
There was a lot of people that thought that their martial art literally could not be beaten.
They did a certain type of Wing Chun, and if they could go to a Taekwondo school and spar, they would just run through people.
This is like a social justice warrior thing that they say.
That real comedy always punches up.
Meaning, like, get at the bad person that's above you, dominating you, the boss, the president.
Real comedy punches up.
and you know you don't pick on any people that are below you but the reality is sometimes punching down is fucking hilarious sure it's not it's not always but it's about what what is the subject matter like what it like you could like i remember louis ck doing a bit about how his kid is a fucking asshole sure and it was really fucking funny because first of all you knew he wasn't serious right it was i mean he was talking about his kid like in a frustrated way About a kid just being a kid.
I'm sure he loves his kid like he loves life itself.
But because he's punching down.
He's like shitting on his kid for being an asshole.
And it's hilarious.
There's no rules.
There's no rules like a guy has to be self-deprecating.
The guy's saying, so I'm slinging that dick, right?
I'm giving that good dick.
You know when you're giving that good dick and you feel that asshole reverberating off your ball sack every time you come down home?
And they do the first round is just their set in front of an audience.
And there's three people from the audience picked at random to be the judges where they give a score from one to five, five being the best, one being the worst.
Everyone gets a five.
And if you give someone a four, the audience loses their shit.
They get very mad at you.
That's round one.
The comedy has always got awful.
And then it's unprepared usually.
It looks like these guys didn't know they were going to do a TV show that day.
And then round two they come out and they do some kind of like challenge that you don't know what.
So they have a heckler in the audience or somebody comes out like they're a producer and hits you in the face with a pie and you got to keep going.
And then they judge you on a score from one to five.
But forums like this, where comics and people get to talk, and there's so much inside information out now, I think it kind of weeds through that happening.
And now I think the audiences are a little smarter in some circles.
I just can't believe sometimes when you watch somebody and they're on television and their first joke is, now I know what you guys are thinking.
Actually, I had a guy open for me one time on the road where he had a joke.
I forget what it was about, but whatever it was, the crowd never laughed in the middle of it.
And he goes, so my family used to run a funeral home.
He goes, now you guys laugh, but no one laughed at that.
But every time he goes, now you guys laugh.
That's always funny.
Now, I know what you're thinking.
You see me, and I'm like...
It happens a lot.
I feel like you should never, and a lot of us do, but you should never get on television with your first ever set.
You know, when you go on the road, and me, you know, when I go on the road and someone opens for me, I'm generally getting somebody doing their first set.
You remember that?
Like, every time you get on stage, it was the introduction, like, so, my name's Jay, and I blah blah blah.
You know, it's like, first day girl comedy, so I'm so-and-so, and I'm a total slut, and I sex with my friends, and...
But that first set makes it on TV a lot now because there's so many forums.
It's probably not good to have your first set, but if you've been doing stand-up for 10 years or whatever it is when you get your first set on TV, six years, just fucking accept it sucks.
Just accept that it sucks and move on.
And you won't know it sucks until you see it.
You got to watch it on TV later in your career when you're better.
So the movie company, even though it's like they pay her and she has a relationship with them, they don't give a fuck if something to her detriment builds up their movie.
Yeah, probably after it's over, they probably would have protected her from it getting out, but once it's out, they're like, hey, look, in the long run, we're going to do Brooke.
She looks great.
I sat around the office and...
It's true.
She looks great.
The only way you're ever going to get protected as a comic is if you have a manager.
And the manager will say, listen, Jay, let's keep hitting the clubs and wait a year.
To it, these same guys who are getting ready to fuck stools and put in fake teeth are doing like, you know, like staring at him, give the speech, and like nodding their heads like Pacino's speech on any given Sunday.
It's like an emotional, powerful speech, how we're changing comic view now.
It was like everyone was wearing like zoot suits and shit and bringing like three chicks apiece and they were all dressed up fancy, but they'd interrupt dancing to do a comedy show.
In the middle of the fucking night, like 2, 3 o'clock in the morning.
They absolutely didn't like me at all, and I was going to bring a comic on stage, and I go, alright, buddy, I'm going to bring you up next to go, what's your name?
And he goes, Ignit Nigga.
And I was like, dude, don't make me say that, please.
And he's like, that's my name, man.
That's my stage name.
And I begged him to let me call him by his regular name.
There's tons of bar shows, but the old Red Rocks has one now that's in the corner.
But the problem is New York is a billion times more bar shows than L.A. So all the local comics in L.A., they'll get that one shitty bar show, but it's like a month away when they get booked.
Well, if you're a young person or any person who's got free time at night and you're looking for some entertainment, it's one of the best places in the world to go.
You can go to The Cellar.
You can go to Caroline's.
I mean, you can see live comedy in New York every night of the week.
You can see Killers.
You can see, you know, Attell and C.K. and all these different people show up at clubs.
I mean, it's one of the best places in the world to go out and see live comedy.
I mean, that's what people, if they've never been to New York before, they're like, there's so many restaurants, there's so many this, there's so many that.
The open mic nights, they make people sit out there from 9 o'clock in the morning, whatever the fuck the sign-up time is, and they have to wait in line until they get picked, and then they go on next week.
They don't even go on that week.
They wait in line all day, and they go on the next week.
It's that same evil shit that makes producers put someone on a reality show and then try to own everything about them for the next 10 years or whatever the fuck it is.
It's the same thing.
It's that greedy thing that people do out here.
This weird, creepy fucking behavior where...
The people that are coming up are not respected as potential equals.
And if they do somehow or another make it through, it's never through their own merit.
It's because of the good nature and your generosity that's led them to this position of being a good showbiz person.
I did a club on the road one time where there was, like, young comics hanging out, so I was, like, I talked to them for a little while, and I was, like, you know, if you guys want to go on, like, you know, you can put you guys on, like, you guys, each one do, like, seven minutes or something, go for it.
And they told me, and I confirmed with the club that they go, oh, no, the club doesn't do guest spots at all.
I'm, like, at all?
I go, I thought it's kind of up to the, is it up to, like, the headliner if he, like, doesn't care?
Like, is it fine?
They go, no, that's just their policy, don't do it.
I go, oh, and I talked, when I talked to the manager guy, I was, like, why would you...
When someone moves to New York from their home club, where they started, it's a coin flip whether they're going to say it was a great experience, they're very supportive of them.
They get behind some people, the local clubs, and then some, they're just like, they're such shitty people.
You gotta be a hardcore motherfucker to own a bar, you know, and to own a comedy club and just want to deal with comedians all the time, you gotta be either someone who loves comedy or an insane person.
Do you get frustrated when people that are around comedy enough, even if it doesn't make sense in their life, they're like, I'm gonna try, and they start doing open mics or you like, go for it.
Do you get like, I know there's club owners in New York even that just fucking start doing comedy after owning the club for like three years, they're like, I'm doing it, I'm gonna give it a shot.
Well, it's also when they're around comics, they see how fun it is, and they see how comics think, and then they start thinking like comics and saying ridiculous shit.
If you were not enjoying your life and not enjoying your job, but you saw a guy like you having the fucking time of his life, cracking jokes, making shit, you're like, God damn it, I think I could do that.
He looks way better than a regular job if you're a person that has a regular job.
And then someone like Big J comes along and you're hanging out with him and you're watching how he does it.
You're like, this fucking guy's barely working here.
And are they, like, genuinely happy for your success and, like, dig what you do?
I have one friend from, like, growing up that I'm still friends with, and it's because he's the only one of my friends that is doing what he wanted to do also.
You have to have that self-security before you can, like...
I go back to Philly constantly.
Barely.
I mean, I hung out with a lot of people growing up.
But I just also, they were very dismissive of the whole thing.
They're like, thanks dude, pretty good job.
It just seemed very like, if they would have been like, wow dude, this is a pretty extraordinary thing you're doing.
I'm not saying they had to say those words, but if they showed that at all, it makes them have to face the fact that he said he was going to be a pilot, but he's working at a fucking gas station.
I know when I first started doing it, again, like you said, the way you did Taekwondo, it's a heavy commitment, especially because I started going after the first year of just doing it in Philly.
Keith Robinson grabbed me, Kurt Metzger, and Kevin Hart and started taking us up to New York.
And when I did that, I started not being able to do all the bullshit with my friends that we were doing.
I wasn't part of like Dollar Beer Night anymore, you know what I mean?
Well, isn't that the case always in life when you're growing up?
There's certain people that you grow up with because they went to school with you and they were your friends and some folks evolve and develop and change and grow and some people stagnate and actually develop problems for themselves to distract themselves.
Like, Have you had circumstantial friendships in comedy?
If a guy's your friend and he's involved in some sort of a public crisis like Anthony was, you know, first of all, you have to recognize there's a tremendous amount of stress involved in any sort of physical altercation.
So don't expect people to behave rationally after someone punched him.
That's one.
And then two, don't expect people to behave rationally after gigantic groups of people start calling you a racist and saying what you're doing by writing all these things.
It's essentially a hate crime.
You get fired from your job.
People rally for you to get fired from your job.
Other people rally for you to get rehired.
They want other people to boycott the show and cancel Sirius XM because of that There was a lot of stress going on the idea that he's ignoring Joe Tweets like fuck man.
Like what he what did what version of the thing did you see?
That's what makes Joe a really funny comic, is that he obsesses on things.
He thinks about things until he finds out what's really funny about them, and then he figures out a way to do it on stage, and figures out a way to cut it down to a really funny joke.
That same sort of curiosity, sensibility, obsession, all the combination of things mixed together in a stew, sometimes you can fuck with your personal life.
I think that's probably what happened there.
You know, that if it was a more rational circumstance for Anthony, more rational response by Joe, I think they could have had a conversation about it and worked it through.
And I think if he'd done it eloquently, which I'm sure he would have, there would have been a tremendous amount of support for keeping him on the show.
I think that his...
His argument and his assertion about the black community has always been there's a violence problem in the black community.
It's not that he's racist against all black people.
What his point has always been is that there's a lot of folks that are not willing to concede that there's a violence issue.
And he thinks there is an issue.
You know, where he and I, I don't know what his take on the social ramifications or the reasons for this racial issue or this violence issue in the black community.
You know, I think it's an economic thing.
What I've always pointed to is the gypsies.
Gypsies in England and Ireland who are constantly getting involved in crime and fighting and they're wild motherfuckers and they're white.
You know, it's those type of people, people that live in these economically challenging situations where there's a lot of bad people around them and a lot of crime and violence.
That's the atmosphere you live in.
That's the soup you fucking were born into and shit's hard to deal with for everybody.
And I think that what he did is also, it's a function of that form of media, like doing things in 140 characters.
You can't express yourself very good in 140 characters.
And if you take, even if you take something from something you said in this podcast and put it in 140 characters in quotes and put it on a tweet, it can make it look like a real piece of shit, you know?
But by then, he could have gotten a way to say it.
He said it eloquently.
I'm talking about in that moment of fury, you need to call a friend who's going to go, I know, dude, right?
I know you're so right.
And then 15 minutes later, when you calm down, you go, of course, I don't hate every black person.
It's like he vented...
And I said, and he's such a guy who's used to preaching to the choir, and he forgot that there's, like, regular people behind that choir that are going to be like, wait, what?
It's way easier to take your tweet and retweet it than it is to say, hey, you've got to listen to Anthony on SiriusXM this morning.
When he was going off about how there's a violence problem in the black community and all the crazy shit that he screamed and yelled about.
That's one thing.
But to someone to just take those tweets and retweet them or take them and cut and paste them and put them in a blog completely outside of the context of who you are, what your style of communicating with has always been on the show.
The style of communicating on the show has always been him screaming.
He's always done that.
So when he does that in a Twitter form, it's par for the course.
I mean, that's what he does.
It's just when he does it on the radio...
The people that are going to be upset at that, they would have to listen to the whole thing to get to that.
They would have to listen to that chunk.
Someone would have to alert them to it.
They'd have to listen to it all play out.
All they have to do is just hear it, see it, retweet it.
See it, retweet it.
See it on a blog and then a bunch of fucking outrage attached to it and all these accusations.
A lot of people will take a lot of the things that he said on the radio show, cut him out of context, put it up and say that these are more pieces of evidence that he's racist.
I don't think he's racist.
I think he's frustrated.
I think that he, like a lot of people that have been involved in these type of scenarios...
You only see the person's attacking you, and you only see the group that they're attached to.
And if I lived in New York and I had to deal with a lot of bullshit on a regular basis, I don't know how much bullshit he deals with, but whether it was bullshit coming from Irish people, or it's bullshit coming from, you know, Asian people that are fucking with me all the time.
I mean, if you're living in a group where there's a certain number of people from X community that are causing a lot of crimes, You're always going to have some frustration.
You're always going to be upset about that.
I don't know where his head's at.
I've never had long, uncensored conversations with him about this.
I've talked to him on the radio, and I love talking to him.
So if I had a guess, I would say no, I don't think he's racist.
I think he's just not scared of speaking his mind about very controversial issues that very easily Come across as racism when he's describing things like very real statistics, like crime statistics.
They're undeniable.
I mean, if you look at crime statistics and the amount of young African-American men that are in jail, it's fucking bananas.
It's bananas representative of the population as a whole, like this small amount of people that are black and then the large amount of black guys that are in jail.
You would go, okay, well, is that evidence of racism?
That that's why they're being prosecuted or is it evidence that they're committing far more crimes?
Is it a combination of both?
Is it a lack of social awareness that has allowed these inner cities to get completely out of hand, these impoverished neighborhoods?
But all the fury is just going to be that he was like, you know, some black bitch basically, you know, to be so dismissive.
No one's caring about the statistics he's throwing out.
They're only focusing...
But my point is, you can get those facts out If it had been a bunch of Irish people and he was like, you know, this Mick Ginger fuck just punched me, you know, cunt just punched me in the face.
Because he's white, he could do it, but if he was black.
But then his tweets would resonate more.
It wouldn't make any kind of news, but at least it would resonate more if he had some kind of facts and figures to support, you know, whatever.
Joe, don't you find it interesting, though, that after all this recent shit about him being racist, that he doesn't just kind of back off and just for like a year talk about cupcakes or something like that?
Yeah, he doesn't back off for a reason, it seems like.
I think most people, if you got that much, like, you lost your job, you got in trouble on Twitter about a certain subject, then I'm like, alright, I'm not going to talk about Pi for a while.
I don't know how well he's doing, but I hope he does well.
I thought that it would be probably smarter if he did it through subscription.
Through advertisers.
Because if you do it through advertisers, that way he's going to get a large number of people that are going to listen to it because if it's free, but he's kind of hamstringing himself by making a subscription service.
To make it cost money, you're definitely cutting people out of it, but I think there'll be an initial thing, but you have to get people to latch on board.
Howard Stern gives you, like, you know, I mean, you basically are paying for Sirius for, like, that or ONA, and you can't argue that, like, Stern Channel gives you, like, tons of energy.
You know, for what you're paying, like, he gives you a lot of different stuff.
It's, like, him all day and other shows and...
And his old content and just like fun productions and stuff.
Well, there's also some weird shit that goes on with them with, like, cable internet providers and different internet providers.
Like, now they're going to have to pay more because they use up more.
Like, they have to cut deals.
Otherwise, they throttle back Netflix users.
There's a lot of, like, weird, shady shit when it comes to, like, bandwidth and how much bandwidth it's worth and how much bandwidth gets soaked up by different applications.
If you're trying to sell shit online, unless you're a Netflix, like if HBO became an online thing only, even with all their awesome shows that they have, that would be tough.
Although, that said, the hipsters have dominated that world, and a lot of them don't do cable at all and just get a subscription to HBO Go and Showtime.com and all that stuff, and they watch all their shit like that.
Well, it's also like, you don't ever want to have something that you can't just turn off.
The beautiful thing about a cell phone is you shut that bitch off and nobody can get in touch with you.
But, um, yeah, like, those, uh, a lot of people do that Netflix thing now where they don't have cable, they just have Netflix and they use, like, their computer for shit and then hook up one of those, uh...
My mom used to come home from work in the middle of the night and feed my little brother and we didn't have cable and we had a VCR and we had Roadhouse and she would watch Roadhouse every night.
If you go back in time to when those video stores were out, like the local video stores, like every community had a local video store, like a mom and pop video store.
And then the Blockbuster came in, and fucking, oh my god, Blockbuster's gonna shut down all these mom and pop video stores.
In a lot of ways they did, except Blockbuster didn't have porn.
Specifically for porn, what you had to go through, too.
Like, our franchise in Philly, we had a place called West Coast Video.
You know that at all?
And there was just these red boxes.
Everything was like in a red box.
There was no, like, the covers were up on the wall, but you got a red box.
And the beauty of that was I would try to just, like, find, like, my mom and step-pop would rent porno movies when I was younger, I guess, for themselves.
And I would...
They'd leave it in the VCR. We only had one VCR, so I guess they'd watch it when I'd stay at my grandmom's, and I'd come and I'd see the title of it.
And they'd always find titles that weren't very porn-sounding.
And then I would go, I'd stay at my grandmom's the next night, and I would tell her, like, hey, if I reserve movies, go pick them up, and I would reserve...
I'd send my little grandma in to go pick up porn movies for me.
She'd be like, you want me to make popcorn and we'll watch it together?
There was a mom-and-pop place when I used to hang out at this pool hall in White Plains, New York, and there was a mom-and-pop place across the street that they found out had Tracy Lord videos that were illegal.
So, I mean, like, she's, you know, hopefully to the best of my knowledge not doing this stuff, but they were doing a thing a few years ago where the kids would wear the colors, you snap off the color, that means, like, you know, finger your asshole in the locker room, and then you go do it.
And the girls would always be like, ugh, so unfair.
Just to see whatever it was, because there'd be a girl with her pussy out, and that would just, for some reason, I'd be like, I'm gonna watch that for a minute, and then go back to the loading screen.
Like, if you were, like, in the Amazon jungle for, like, six months, and then all of a sudden you got to a hotel room, like, oh my god, TV, and you flip through the channels, and Carry On, Emmanuel was on, and it was, like, a little shitty filter, because the cameras they used back then were dog shit, so it was, like, there was no HD. It was, like, really low resolution and kind of fuzzy, and Oh, I used to be able to jerk off to, like, the Girls Gone Wild, like, promo video on, like, E! Channel at night.
If you saw a girl that was hot at the gas station and somehow you were able to see her 10 minutes later do something where you opened the door by accident and she was naked, that's way more exciting.
I think I also used to be able to jerk off in fucking three minutes.
Now it's a whole process because you're like, I can find a better video.
It's like a challenge to yourself.
And then the head shake you make it yourself when you're just jerking off to that third one you found like 40 minutes later, you're like, come on, man.
It's a girl who comes from England, a porn producer who's like, you're a beautiful baby, you're going to just...
Basically, it starts out where you're just going to do pictures and lesbian porn, and then before you know it, they get to sets, and it's like, well, I thought you said we were just going to watch today.
It's like, no, baby, come on.
I told him you're doing this anal porn today.
She's like, well, I said no anal.
And he's like, well, it's more money if you do it.
And it's really watching him then break a girl down.
So at one point...
Max Hardcore, I believe it is, is getting ready to do something terrible to her.
After crying, she said she didn't want to do it.
The first thing he does is he walks into a room when she's going to meet Max Hardcore for the first time.
A bunch of people in this room and the documentary crew.
He walks in, he shakes everyone's hand and goes over to her.
It seems very real.
Pulls her panties down and stuffs his dick in her asshole.
She makes a face like it's pretty real.
And she gets weeded out, and then he goes, let's go upstairs, and he starts talking into a scene.
She says she doesn't want to do it.
He gets really...
First thing he tries to do is, like, hit her with the baby.
You're beautiful.
Like, you're going to make a lot of money.
This is a great thing.
People want to see your beautiful body.
He does that for about five minutes.
And then he kicks right into...
You stupid bitch.
Yeah, whatever.
Go back to England and tell your kid you can't take care of her and you fucking...
And then she agrees to do it and the documentary guys step in and they turn the camera off and it just says, like, at this point, we thought she wasn't responsible for herself anymore and they pulled her out of it.
See, it's a tricky situation because I think anybody with any ethics or morals that looks at that guy and the kind of videos he did, you don't want to be attached to that.
It's disgusting.
I mean, even if it is fake, it's still like, man, why does this get you off?
You're being fucking horrible to these people.
If that's really what gets you off, what kind of a human being are you?
And what kind of a product are you selling?
But the way they got him is, there are certain places that have really strict obscenity laws.
And so they prosecuted him in Florida, in this one area that had these really brutally strict obscenity laws.
So they went after this guy.
They targeted him.
I think they saw the videos and they decided this is a piece of shit.
We need to put this guy in jail.
In their eyes, the prosecutor's eyes, I think, if I had a guess, that they found a guy who had made this sort of evil business off of a loophole.
the compilations of like just not even the sex part just the guys being mean to the chick it's like they bring in like awful like unattractive women and they shit on them and then fuck them it's very weird yeah they smack them there's a lot of physical abuse there's like physical abuse that would be illegal and you would actually go to jail for like you can't smack a chick in the face but like yeah you can't you can't really sign a waiver to say that's okay I guess like you sort of can I mean like wrestling right But isn't it different if it's a guy smacking a woman?
I mean, every fucking YouTube video that comes out has a thousand comments.
People are duking it out in the comment section, and people get fired up about almost everything and anything.
And if they have the license to be offended, if people have the license to be offended, like, they can think that what you said is not funny, you know, they can think that what you said is cruel, but this license to be offended.
I mean, if you talk about it and you engage them and they get to be upset about you and find other folks that are upset about it as well, everybody gets to have a little bit of attention about it.
That's why, you know, it's obviously one of the most famous moments on the show, but that's why I was always, I was, I was very tight with Kilstein, like Jamie Kilstein at one point, and like as a comic coming out against comedy, that blew my mind so much when that happened.
There's a very rigid ideology of what the people that are talking down on it would call the social justice warriors.
They talk about it in a mocking sense, social justice warriors.
But social justice warriors, the idea behind the super male feminists, very liberal, a lot of them vegan, this whole idea of do the least amount of harm possible.
They have a very rigid ideology when it comes to certain things.
They don't leave any room for certain things to be discussed in a mocking manner.
And I think that you get stuck in that world, if you're in that world, they have very rigid rules.
They don't think you should ever say a joke about rape.
What was really fucked up is Jamie had one about rape.
It was about men getting raped, and it was okay.
It's like, you just can't have any mocking jokes about any woman getting raped.
Even if the Daniel Tosh situation was such an obvious line.
She yells out during his...
No one knows the scenario.
Tosh was on stage, and he was asking the audience what they wanted to talk about.
Because occasionally, someone will yell out a subject, and it'll be pretty funny.
And then you may be able to come up with a bit from it.
Who knows?
He's just having a good time with the crowd, being loose, ad-libbing.
Some guy yells, talk about rape!
And he starts listing off all the things that's not funny about rape.
Like, what are you talking about?
What is it?
The humiliation?
The physical violence?
What part do you think is funny?
And this woman self-righteously yells out, actually, there's nothing funny about rape.
As if he didn't know that.
As if he wasn't saying that exact same thing.
And he goes, wouldn't it be funny if five guys raped her right now?
What's funny about that is that one scene, after they suspect...
He goes on trial because a girl almost got raped after his show.
A girl was a fan of his.
And they try to make the argument that these guys wouldn't have tried to rape her if they weren't all goosed up from his comedy show.
And that was the actual argument.
And what they ended up doing with the story was...
First thing they do that made me laugh was the whole SVU team goes and sits front row at his comedy show, is what they do first, and they're just sitting there staring and shaking their heads, and you almost want to go, you guys are actually being a pretty shitty audience.
At the end of the day, it's like, if you're going to sit there and stare, at least sit in the back.
That seems like kind of a weird, like, you're making the show get weird and rapey by staring, staring at him, but then what they do, the big payoff, is at the end of the whole episode, they make that he was also a rapist.
I actually tweeted out, I was like, pretty fucking irresponsible.
Like, that's a really irresponsible thing for a show like that to do.
I think rape, there always has to be, like, it seems to me like there's got to be a shut up or I'll do this element to it because I feel like you just couldn't.
It's like professional wrestling, like how you couldn't suplex somebody, like a vertical suplex that doesn't want to be suplexed.
You couldn't possibly do it to someone.
I feel like How could you fuck someone who's really snapping their legs shut and fighting?
It is a fucked up thing, man, that's so common in the animal community, like violence and sex.
watch like i was watching this documentary or was listening to this uh podcast rather uh about um tasmanian devils and how vicious tasmanian devils are with each other and that while they're having sex like they almost they always bite each other they're constantly biting each other and they fuck each other's faces up like when they have sex and they fuck each other's faces up when they're fighting over a meal they're constantly going at it but there was a disease that was spreading amongst them
that was actually a type of cancer and the type of cancer was actually proving to be something that's contagious.
By some strange manner of evolution, these cancerous cells would burst and infect the cells around them.
And so all these Tasmanian devils started dying off because they started developing these cancerous, contagious tumors.
And they were constantly biting each other in the face.
So they would be biting into these tumors, and the tumors would literally make tumors on the other animals.
And the podcast is all, you know, it's all, like, really interesting things that are, like...
One of them they had about the problems with trying to communicate with dolphins and...
Just really fascinating, fascinating stuff.
One of them was on the apocalypse, like what the asteroid impact did and how many animals were killed off and what the original humans probably looked like.
The thing that became a human that was alive back then, this fucking burrowing underground mammal-rodent type thing.
But they were doing this radio lab one on these Tasmanian devils and this cancer that was spreading.
Well, there was a leopard, there was a story about a leopard, it was in the news yesterday, about a leopard in India that they think is responsible, one individual leopard, responsible for 15 deaths, 15 different people, that it targets drunk people, and that it waits, yeah, how fucked is that?
Yeah, well, people, you know, they go out and they start partying, and this leopard has apparently developed this taste for drunk people.
Like, he knows that when people come out of these bars, they're slow, and they don't know what the fuck's going on, they're not on the ball, and they get jacked.
The idea that this gang violence that you see in, like, Inglewood and Compton on the television shows, that that somehow or another, that Boys in the Hood shit, could somehow or another make it.
You know, I tell you what, I've talked about some shit on this podcast and gotten, you know, a lot of people's reactions about it, but one of the biggest reactions I ever got about anything I said was that I was talking about Jon Jones, and I said, I wonder how much of, like, why he's not popular is racism.
I wonder if people are racist.
Even if you even say you wonder that someone might be racist, like, if someone's reaction to something, it's probably, like, flipping of me to say, like, that's, like, especially when you're not considering it before you're saying it, you're just discussing a subject because you think it's interesting.
It's such a charged subject, you gotta have like a fully formed idea before you say it.
But just the mere possibility that some people could be racist.
People are so angry.
Not even saying you're racist.
Not saying the only way that you couldn't like the guy was because of racism.
It's a fascinating thing that it's so highly charged.
That, you know, even a mere suggestion.
And if people thought in some way that I meant, if you don't like them, it's because you're racist, then that's my shitty job of communicating an idea.
Because that's certainly...
Was never what I was thinking.
But what I was thinking was, I think, I know for a fact, when I was a kid, I used to root for white guys.
I just did.
Like when Jerry Cooney fought Larry Holmes, I remember very clearly being embarrassed that I rooted for Jerry Cooney because he was a white guy.
Because I remember Larry Holmes boxed the shit out of him.
And he just picked him apart.
And before that, I mean, Jerry Cooney was a really good fighter.
He beat Ken Norton.
He knocked him out.
Devastating knockout.
He was a good fighter.
But Larry Holmes was a master at the time.
I should have been appreciating what Larry Holmes was able to do to this guy who had been able to knock out some really good fighters.
That was the same guy who doctored up Aaron Pryor's drink.
He said, don't give me that water.
Give me the other one, the one that I fixed.
And then he gives it to Aaron Pryor, and Aaron Pryor goes out there like a fucking bat out of hell and knocks out Alexis Arguello in the next round.
And they said it was some sort of a stimulant.
Aaron Pryor wind up having a bit of a drug problem.
So it could have been related in that way.
But it's just weird how the fucking ferocity of the reactions when I brought up this racism thing.
Maybe it was like irresponsible on my part, but I'm sort of happy that I brought it up anyway just because I'm fascinated by the response.
And I'm fascinated by no black people disagreed with me.
That's the weird thing.
The weird thing is the guys who disagree...
I mean, I don't know everybody who disagreed with me on Twitter, so I'm kind of talking out of my ass here.
But the people that I interact with on a regular basis, whether they're comics or whatever, they all thought it was...
The black guys all thought it was very valid.
That there's a certain amount of...
Extra judgment that you give a cocky young black athlete.
I was like, that's fascinating.
I wonder if that's true.
Even just paying attention to that, that's something I wonder.
I wonder what of a factor it is.
And it's not the only factor.
Look, there's 350 million people in this country.
And if a million people like you and a million people hate you, this is a fucking wide variety of reasons.
But to say that out of all the millions of people who know who you are, That there aren't a certain percentage of them that are racist seems disingenuous.
I mean, it seems like there's a certain amount of people across the board that are going to be racist.
If you have 350 million people, I don't know how many people you're going to get that are racist, but there's got to be a certain percentage that has to be factored in there.
So, you know, saying you wonder how much of it is...
I think the interesting thing is that I think Floyd Mayweather...
People that hate him, I bet there's a lot more racism involved in that than Jon Jones.
Jon Jones gives you pretty valid reasons to be like, this guy's sort of a dick.
Just publicly, from what you see, you know, I don't know anything of him other than what I see in the press and on the shows.
But I mean, like, Mayweather's a guy, you know, you see, he's like, you know, the press is talking to him, he's like throwing $100 bills on the ground, you know, he's just like...
If he gets tagged once or twice hard in a fight, it's shocking and rare.
But there's a lot of fights where he'll go the entire fight just boxing someone's face off and not get hit at all.
So for every Sugar Shea Mosley who connects or every Maidana right hand that lands, there's a lot of rounds where he's not even getting hit.
He's just slipping out of things and moving and doing things to you that you didn't expect and moving in a way that you didn't anticipate and Being nowhere near you when you're looking to hit him.
You know, he's a master, but he's also a master of manipulation.
I mean, he's playing the heel, where I think John is just a young guy figuring it out on his own while he's one of the baddest men on the planet at 25 years of age.
And he's had this ridiculous rise to success that happened in a really short period of time.
Like, From the time he was like 21 years old to the time that he's 25, starts martial arts and becomes the light heavyweight champion.
I mean, that's fucking crazy.
I mean, he had a martial art background because he was a really good wrestler and did know some kicking and punching and stuff before he started into MMA. But he got into MMA because he got his girlfriend pregnant.
And he, you know, he couldn't go to college.
He wanted to do the right thing and said, all right, fuck it, I'll start fighting.
And then got into it.
I mean, he's a crazy road for anybody to take.
And to be that popular and that famous at 25, yeah, you're gonna fuck up, man.
You could hear, but when he walks over, it's funny, Greg Jackson, you could hear him say to him, he goes, John, go win these people back and go check if he's okay.
I think, but also I think to be a bad motherfucker at that high level, like a lot of times these guys are so intense that they get completely caught up in it and they're just trapped in the moment.
I think...
I know the dude.
I know him from backstage.
I know him from when he's not fighting.
And he's really friendly.
He's a really cool dude.
But I wouldn't want to be fighting him.
I think if you're competing against him, all those dudes that are at the top of the heap, they're pretty fucking ferocious.
And some guys are better at keeping it together in scenarios like that, where they don't drop the guy.
But some guys aren't.
You know, I mean, Dan Henderson was one of the greatest of all time.
One of the most famous moments in his career is he knocked out Michael Bisping with his vicious right hand.
Babalu, who's another famous mixed martial arts fighter, great fighter, who fought in a bunch of different organizations.
He lost his gig with the UFC, partially because he held onto this guy after he was done choking him, and then talked about it in the post-fight press interview with me.
That guy was, I mean, not doing anything that B.J. Penn hadn't done.
B.J. Penn did the same thing to Jens Pulver.
Like, Pulver was tapping, he still fucking hung on to it because they were angry at each other.
But Pulver didn't go out, you know?
And for whatever reason, him holding that choke for an extra couple of seconds was okay.
Whereas Boba Lou's guy went out and then he talked about it.
Once you lose your mojo, man, isn't it amazing if Roy Jones overnight went from still doing amazing things and then he lost and he lost again and he lost...
It can go...
Once you stop...
Believing in yourself as an athlete, it is a lot to do with you believing you're indestructible.
Once you see that chink in your own armor, man, getting that energy back up to do it again must be really, really hard.
And there's a lot of other factors involved in Roy, too, because he went up to heavyweight and then really had to dehydrate himself and weaken himself very badly, getting back down to light heavyweight again.
The difference in, like, what happened with Roy is that Roy fought again, like, within a certain amount of time and got knocked out really bad.
And when you get knocked out by a guy, when you get your brain scrambled, like, it takes a long time for it to heal.
Freddie Roach is a genius.
And one of the things that he did brilliantly with Manny Pacquiao is after Pacquiao got knocked out, he told him, you're not going to fight for a year.
He's like, take your head out of this.
That was a bad knockout.
And Freddie is a guy who suffers from trauma-related Parkinson's himself.
He's got the shakes from his career in boxing.
And so, because of that, he's super, super aware of damage.
And he's like, look, you could be okay, but you've got to heal up.
There's no contact for a long time.
You're going to not fight for a year.
And then he came back a year later, and he looked great.
He looked like Manny Pacquiao.
And I think that rest time is super important, that recuperation time.
It's very important when a guy gets knocked out.
And so we saw Roy get beat by that guy, or get beat by Tarver, and then beat again by Johnson in a really scary way.
But to come back, because he came back and then was pretty great again, but then by the time he came back on The Wizards that one time, it was like, why even?
You never wanted to believe it wouldn't be good anymore.
Like, he has, like, a book out about, you know, being a cross-dresser.
He used to do a whole show where he would, like, cross-dress this guy.
And he's, like, a famous cross-dresser for Vegas.
Like, one of those guys where, like, you really didn't see him or hear about him anywhere else, but if you're in Vegas, like Frank Marino, you'd see his name on these cabs, like the little triangle that sits on top of the cab.
You know what I'm talking about?
The little billboard things that they have that they rent out.
And so Dice had that room.
It was like the upstairs room.
It's a larger room.
And we went to see it.
We're howling like little school children.
And then after it was over, we were hanging out backstage.
And I was like, holy shit, I'm backstage with Dice.
I was thinking about being a kid and listening to his...
I mean, if he ever went out as Dan Whitney or did an interview, like on The View, he's one of the few real characters in stand-up.
Whereas, like, if he went on The View, I don't know why I keep saying The View, but if he went on the Jimmy Fallon show, The Tonight Show, and he went on as Dan Whitney, it would probably blow his whole fucking thing.
Well, in that way, social justice warriors, as it were, are kind of important because that's the only reason why a lot of this change has taken place is because of how outraged people got.
If people just kept quiet about it back then.
So in a way, taking it too far sort of bounces back and has a healthy middle.
You know what I mean?
In some ways, there's always going to be the far left.
But in a lot of ways, the far left tempers the far right.
It's because the standard changes.
It moves back and forth.
If you let people go and be as racist and as homophobic and as hateful as they want and don't do anything about it, they kind of never realize that what they're doing is shitty.
But because of the blowback, like Dice, all that crying and everything that he did, that's probably a direct result of blowback.
He was constantly experiencing people that were protesting.
Remember, he got kicked off of MTV for life.
And I remember Kurt Loder saying about how unfunny it was.
Unfunny to who?
To you?
Okay, I guarantee you if he did that late night at the comedy store, it would fucking crush.
So, like, are you recognizing this as a character, or do you think this is a real person who's saying these real things, and do you think there's any comedy in this play that he's putting on, which is essentially he's pretending to be this awful guy!
I mean, is there a difference between that character and the bad guy character in a movie where the guy is running around killing people or raping people?
Is there a difference?
I mean, it is just fiction.
Like, how come we don't hold the actor responsible because the actor didn't write it?
If he wrote it and he wanted to be the bad guy, would we be upset at him?
I feel like the entire disclaimer of everything goes to, like I said earlier, there's a laughing microphone behind you on a wall.
You know what I mean?
I'm not addressing the State of the Union.
You know what I mean?
I'm up here telling you, it's clearly...
That was all my thing about with the Tosh, the lady getting so mad.
It's like, do you believe for one split second that Daniel Tosh is pro-rape and has slipped through the cracks to find himself massive television success?
So she decided that she was, for whatever reason, you know, she was justified in proving her point, or making her point, or expressing herself.
Which, you know, you should be allowed to express yourself, but the idea that he's supposed to apologize for that, like, if you look at what it was on paper, and then they hear comics agreeing with him, that was just disappointing.
Some people would be really happy if everybody was exactly like them.
If everybody had the same sensibilities, sensitivities, everybody had the same ideas about what's important to talk about, what you can't talk about, what's taboo, what's okay.
You know...
There's plenty of people out there that agree and disagree and they're fucking going at it back and forth.
That's what's fascinating.
That's what's fascinating about trying to find out where's the middle ground.
How much of it is me being crazy?
How much of it is me just tapping into one mindset with whatever thing you support or disagree with?
You know, anything.
Whether it's the style of comedy that people do or the kind of music that people are into.
Some fucking kid got arrested because he took some lyrics to a song and put the lyrics up as a tweet.
They arrested him because he tweeted some, and the band, I forget what the band's name was that came to his defense, but they're like, this is the lyrics to our song.
It's like an anti-school shooting song.
But it's like talking about where this all comes from.
I don't know if it's an anti-school shooting song, but it's just a song.
And it's coming from, like, the rage of, like, where's this guy feeling?
What is this guy doing?
And this guy tweeted this, these lyrics.
Like, if you tweet something from a movie about, like, kill them all, let God sort them out, like, does that mean I'm going to go out and kill people?