Joe Rogan and Joe DeRosa clash over free speech, from a Queens neighbor’s Holocaust denial to Anthony Kumi’s viral Ferguson rant, exposing how unfiltered claims spiral into online harassment. DeRosa refuses to endorse Kumi’s new show after witnessing his silence during Twitter attacks, while Rogan defends nuanced dialogue but admits systemic issues—like inner-city struggles—feel "unfixable." They debate racial pride, Apple Pay’s flaws (Rogan jokes about "dick recognition," DeRosa calls it "retarded"), and iPhone 6 battery life, before pivoting to DeRosa’s new album Mistakes Were Made and Rogan’s upcoming guest Tim Burnett. The episode underscores how comedy’s dark humor and tech’s convenience collide with real-world consequences, leaving even allies divided. [Automatically generated summary]
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It sounded like you just took a random part out of a Primus.
It sounded like a snippet from a Primus song, where it would have made sense in the whole picture, but just the clip, you were like, it doesn't make sense.
Yeah, it's a kind of funny story that wound up getting resolved, but Jamie called me the other day to tell me that one of my videos got taken down from the internet because someone used my words, like my voice, in a song, and then copyrighted it.
He bought pepsispice.com before they did, and then he started putting up a daily blog about how he's eating nothing but Pepsi Spice, and his health was rapidly deteriorating.
Yeah, this is the best shape I've ever been in, which isn't saying much.
But, I mean, for years, dude, for years, like, my lifestyle was get completely shit-faced four or five nights a week, go home, and I would do this night after night.
Get, like, a double meat, cheesesteak, Doritos, chocolate cake, and a soda, and literally lay in my bed wasted eating it and just pass out.
I would do that night after night after night.
I smoked...
You know, it was just, I think after a while, you know, I dabbled in the drugs here and there, you know, I think after a while, just kind of a little bit, a little bit, it catches up, man.
I remember having nights in New York where literally you'd do a set.
It'd be a Tuesday.
And you'd do a set.
You'd finish.
It'd be like 9.30.
You'd be like, that's Tuesday.
There's nothing going on.
This is done.
I'm going to go home.
And then somebody would be like, hey, you know, though, I heard so-and-so might be having a little thing.
Do you want to just go over real quick and just check out what's happening?
You know, across the way at the such-and-such bar?
And you'd go over, and the next thing you know, dude, it's 5 a.m., and there's been, you know, blow and whiskey, and you're wasted, and you're fucking a girl, and it's the greatest, man!
And Maren did a story last night, and him and I talked again about the Kinnison days, about doing blow with Kinnison to the point where he heard voices in his head for a year.
I never lived in the city, so I didn't get that thing out of New York, because when I first moved to New York, I needed a car, because I was doing road gigs, and the only way I could make a living was to do the road.
I couldn't do the whole 15 shows in a night, like do a seven-minute spot here, and then add up the $10 whatever the fuck you would get from each set, because a lot of, like, Attell used to do that.
He would do 10, 15 sets a night, all these little seven-minute sets.
Rachel Feinstein, who's one of my close friends, and a really funny comic, and obviously Jewish, I brought her out one night with one of the Irish guys we used to live next door to.
And I'm like, you're going to love this guy.
He's great.
He's nuts.
And we're hanging out for a while at this bar, and she comes over to me.
She's like, okay, I'm going to go.
And I go, why?
She's like, your Irish friend is telling me that the numbers of the Holocaust were greatly exaggerated.
And this guy went over there, and because of these people, he gave this really fucked up, inaccurate, unscientific assessment of certain famous sites where fucking hundreds of thousands of people documented were murdered.
24th of April, 1915. Now, do you think the other ones don't get mentioned, like this one, for instance, because they are so small in size compared to the number of deaths with the Jewish Holocaust?
Yeah, well, that's why I asked the question, because it's like, I can't justify in my head how something like that would get overshadowed, other than, I guess, maybe this other one was so much bigger.
I don't know, man.
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Maybe it's because the Jews control the media, Joe DeRose.
Because when I grew up, I saw these people that were mature, that were living these mature lives, and they were fucking miserable, man.
They suffered all day.
There was no reward.
They came home to a wife they hated.
They lived a shit life, and a lot of them died young.
I saw it in front of me.
I didn't want to do this.
I tried to figure out every way I could to rebel against work.
And...
I remember seeing like this guy and seeing Michael Jackson how brilliant he was but how odd it was and how he always had like these amusement park rides at his house and he invited little kids over and I'm like what was wrong?
It's beautiful that the guy wanted to help kids.
It's beautiful that the guy always worked with these people that were sick and these kids that were dying.
It is beautiful.
But what was it that connected him so much to childlike things?
Like, why was he so childlike?
Why did he never have...
I mean, he had children, but they weren't really his children.
They were white kids.
They're fully white kids.
If you look at them today, you can say, well, these didn't come from his DNA. They might have been his children, but...
I do think it is good, but even with other celebrities that attempted to keep the kid out of the spotlight, like Eminem doesn't, aside from talking about her, doesn't put his daughter out there.
Right.
And he's like staunchly opposed to it, yet we all kind of know what she looks like.
We all know who she is, like if you saw her.
The same thing with the Cobain and Courtney Love's kid.
But Michael Jackson, it's like, I couldn't pick those kids out of a fucking lineup.
Dude, when Chappelle came back from Africa, when he went...
He ran off from the TV show and everything.
When he came back, he went on this tour, and I toured with him.
And I know Dave isn't Johnny Depp, but he's pretty fucking famous.
It was crazy, man, because we were doing these shows, and I was opening for him for like two weeks, and he'd literally just be like, want to go to the mall, man?
And I'd be like, yeah, let's go.
And he'd be like, alright, let's go.
And literally, I would walk to the mall with Dave Chappelle.
No security, nothing.
And cars were screeching in the fucking streets.
People were jumping out of their cars.
They were running up to...
We went to a footlocker in the mall.
We had to leave through the back exit because so many people were flooding in because he was...
And the worst part was we went, a pack of people followed us to the hotel.
Followed him.
I was just there.
But a pack of people, like fucking dogs, followed him to the hotel.
The concierge at the hotel had to literally hold the people back so we could get onto the elevator.
And as the doors were shutting, a guy got around the concierge and ran up and literally put his phone almost against Chappelle's face and goes, Say something funny.
My friend's on the phone.
Say something funny.
And Dave just kind of stared at this guy.
And we got in the elevator and the doors shut.
And I go, Dude...
I don't know how you didn't just lay that dude out, man.
That was like the rudest thing I've ever seen anybody do to a person.
Well, the reality is, even if that didn't happen, there's going to be a girl, if you get famous, that just remembers a story that never happened at all about Joe DeRosa telling her to suck your cock.
Yeah, there was whole videos of me taking my shirt off.
I had to wrestle Andy Dick once, and fucking remember that?
You'd probably find that.
Yeah, I wasn't as big.
I didn't really lift weights until I started doing jiu-jitsu.
And I started doing jiu-jitsu in 96.
So that was when I started lifting weights.
And I started hanging out with Eddie Bravo, my good friend Eddie Bravo, my best friend.
Like around 99, 2000, somewhere around then.
And we started lifting weights pretty seriously right after that because I started really getting into jiu-jitsu.
And one of the things about jiu-jitsu is just protecting your joints and protecting your back and protecting your neck and all these different parts of your body.
And that adding muscle to your body keeps you from getting injured.
I literally grew up doing martial arts competitions.
It made me a way more balanced person, if that makes any sense.
I would have worked way more fucked up.
Given my circumstances, I needed something to throw all my energy in.
I just had so much angst and anxiety and insecurity.
I needed something, and I found it in martial arts.
But it just happened to be...
The thing for me at that time.
So that's why.
It makes perfect sense.
It's not for everybody.
It can help you though if you're looking for something to do to give you some physical exercise and also it gives you a kind of understanding of your body and fear.
Well, I don't have any experience with acid, but I do have experience with mushrooms, and my experience is that there's a big difference between, like, a couple caps and stems and a fucking handful.
That's when you just go, it just obliterates your ego.
And you go just deep into the realm of perception and of understanding your position in this great thing that you see in front of you and how much your position in this great thing, this great thing being the entire universe itself, how much of your position is distorted by your own ability To recognize your surroundings and your need to survive.
And then your ego, which comes into place and wants you to get laid, wants you to be fed, wants you to stay alive and competitive.
Like all those variables, they fuck with your ability to understand the true nature of reality.
And sometimes a real ego obliterating experience is what you need just to kind of put it in place.
See, the problem is now for me, I had some brushes with that.
In my time that I would do these heavier psychedelics.
But my problem is now is that my anxiety is such an issue that I wouldn't be able to handle it.
I can't even handle pot now.
I mean, if I went into a hard trip like that, I would start freaking out.
I turned too inward.
I'm a pretty...
I'm a lethargic guy, so I've always been more of a fan of stimulants than barbiturates and depressants, which is what eventually pulled me away from marijuana, because my problem with marijuana is I'll smoke it, and I go deep into my head, and it's bad.
If I had smoked any weed before I came in here today, I would be panicking right now.
Thank you, and I honestly feel the same way about you, and not because I've known you from TV for longer than we've known each other personally.
I feel the same way.
I feel like we're part of a fraternity, and not just because of comedy, but it's a little more specified for us, I think, because we're part of the ONA camp.
But so I feel like, you know, everything I do, for instance, right now in LA, and trust me, it's not a terrible anxiety right now.
I was excited about this, too.
Like, a lot of it is just excitement and interpreting the excitement.
But, you know, I'm doing a part on a TV show right now that's...
Looks like it might last for a little while.
I don't know yet because it's sort of episode to episode.
With something like that, every time I do it, I'm like, don't fuck this up, dude.
You know what I mean?
And that's what I do.
And it's terrible.
It's a terrible, terrible anxiety.
It doesn't prevent me from performing.
It doesn't prevent me from delivering.
But it's there.
And it's the kind of thing where if something does go wrong, I have a very hard time just leaving it behind me and going, it was a bad day at work, dude.
Let it go.
You know, I did a charity event last night.
And it wasn't a great show.
And this was a huge step for me today.
I woke up with anxiety about it at 4.30 in the morning.
Why'd you do this bit?
Why'd you do that bit?
And I was just like, dude, you didn't do anything wrong.
You just weren't the best choice for that gig.
That's it.
It's okay.
You didn't do anything wrong.
And I think most people go down that road first.
And my whole life, I've never gone down that road first.
It's because I don't want anybody leaving a show ever and feeling like, eh, I don't ever want...
I know they paid money.
That drives me fucking crazy.
It's horrible.
I know they got babysitters.
They planned it out.
They saved their money for that.
You know, I don't want anyone to ever think that I ever take that for granted because that would drive me fucking crazy.
If I went to see someone and I knew they didn't give a shit and they took it for granted, that's one of the worst things a performer can ever do with their audience.
It's a lot of times just a perception issue, like how you deal with things.
I had a friend that came up to me once.
We were in Vegas, and I brought him to some fights, and after the fights, It gets pretty fucking crazy.
There's 18,000 people there, and you try to wake your way through the casino, good luck.
You're going to get stopped every five seconds.
And he was like, does it get annoying?
I go, well, there's certain times where I have things that I have to do, where I have to leave, like I have to go to a show, or I have to meet someone for dinner.
I mean, I have to be there by X amount of time.
I just have to say no.
But for the most part, it's just a bunch of people being nice.
But my attitude about it is always that every time I meet someone, I reset.
Because it's like, I don't ever think of it as like, oh, here's another person, here's another person.
Every time I meet someone, I reset.
So it's a total new experience because I know it's a new experience for them.
And if I don't accept that, I can't always say yes.
I can't always call your friend.
I can't always fucking take pictures.
I have to go sometimes.
Sometimes it's unavoidable.
There's 100 people and you've got to be out of there because you're supposed to be somewhere in five minutes.
I can't be late for a show.
I can't be late for an interview or an appearance that I have to do or whatever the fuck that's...
Yeah, and I've seen him do it, and I've always done it.
If there are fucking two people in the audience that wanted to see me, And it was the shittiest show of all time because there were 98 that didn't give a fuck about who I was and heckling or whatever.
I spent time with those two guys and talked to them.
I mean, he works so hard, and he delivers to his fans what they deserve.
I think everybody...
I think everybody, many comics do that, but I think, again, what was always special to me about, or one of the things that was always special to me about being part of that ONA fraternity was that those comics all did that.
Everybody delivered.
Everybody had the mentality of, it's a new year, I have to go back to that city again, I better have a new hour.
Or it better be the much, much better version of last year's hour.
I always said when you went on ONA and it was a packed room, you know, when you walked in and it was DiPaolo, Bobby, you know, or Burr and Patrice or whoever, when it was a packed room on ONA, I always said it was like getting dropped into the, it was like in Raiders of the Lost Ark when he hits the ground in that fucking snake pit.
And it's just like, you better like have your torch up and be ready because they are coming at you from every fucking direction.
You know, it's like exciting to be in that room with Voss and Norton and everybody's like, everyone's, you know, Norton says something funny and Voss will say something funny and everybody's like chiming in and laughing and it's just, it's so exciting.
Hardest times I've ever laughed in my life, and I remember when I would have stints where I would quit drinking for a while, and I'd say like, how the fuck am I going to have fun if I'm not going out drinking?
You know?
I would go, oh, that's right, I laughed the hardest I ever did in my entire life at 6.45 in the morning the other day.
Well, hanging out with comedians, I mean, that's the one thing, me and Stan Hope were talking once, and he said, I could quit comedy, but I could never quit hanging out with comics.
He goes, but I don't want to stop hanging out with comedians.
Because it's like, I think a guy like Stanhope also, you get to a point where you realize, I mean, yeah, it's fun to do shows, and yeah, but nothing's going to change.
You know, that you don't even necessarily really mean.
But especially when a bunch of comics are getting together and they're vibing off of each other, there's that thing that we do where I'll try to say something.
Like, Tony, the other day, what the fuck did he say about Joan Rivers when Joan Rivers died?
He's...
Oh, if you hurry up, you can still get in bed with her.
I was supposed to do In Bed with Joan.
It was like she was doing a podcast where she would do it from her bed.
Yeah, like Ari and I were talking last night, we went to Cantor's Deli late after his thing, and we were driving home, and He was talking about how he thinks it's good to interact with regular people.
Because he goes, I don't talk to anybody that's a comedian, and I think I'm not getting a balanced perspective.
And he was like, you know, you do this sports commentary stuff where, like, you'll go a whole weekend where you don't do stand-up, and you talk to, like, athletes, and you talk to, like, news people and stuff like that.
And I was like, Pete, do you think it was a suicide or do you think he was jacking his neck with the belt around his neck?
And we just started laughing, going, apparent suicide always sounds way better in a newspaper than definitely was jerking off with a belt around his neck.
And if I was related to him, I probably wouldn't want to hear a joke about it right now.
But my point is, sometimes you're hanging out with comics and you can let those little thoughts out with them.
That I think a lot of people, a lot of other comments, if I was on 9 out of 10 other podcasts right now, I wouldn't have felt comfortable sharing that.
But see, you shared the crazy Joan Rivers joke, right?
And then I share that back, and it's like, here we are.
We're in the fucking ninth ring together.
And Joan Rivers or Robin Williams, I think, would understand why those jokes were funny.
I don't have the right to say this guy's name because I wasn't there when it happened, but a very famous comedian came over to a table of comics at the cellar.
And right after Robin Williams died and went, he was a joke thief, right?
I do think there's a gray area, and the gray area was where I was trying to exist, because I didn't like what people were saying about a friend of mine on there, so I was trying to defend him.
I don't want people like that behind me in any way in any fucking way well, you know Andy kendler is a very progressive guy very smart guy and He You know, if he met Anthony and he had a conversation with him, maybe they would have a difference of opinion.
Anthony Kumi's situation, for folks who don't know, Anthony from Opie and Anthony was fired because he was in a situation, another situation line, situation.
I can't stop saying situation.
It's stuck in my head.
He was taking photographs late at night in Times Square.
some woman he took her photograph and she got mad at him she hit him yelling at him screaming at him and then he went on this rant about the african-american community about violence about all sorts of different things and he got fired for the rant and uh you know if anybody pays any attention to him on the opian anthony show they know that he does that all the time that that style of communication is his thing but
But you can explain yourself way better on a radio show when you're going back and forth with people and you cite statistics and facts about the African American community.
There's no doubt about it.
I mean, there's no way to deny it.
There's a disparity in the amount of African American people that are in prison.
There's a disparity in the amount of African American people that commit crime.
That could be attributed to a bunch of different things.
Economic factors, the opportunities that they have as opposed to the opportunities that people that live in better neighborhoods have.
There's a lot of shit going on there.
It's a complex, nuanced discussion and you're not going to have a complex, nuanced discussion after you get punched in the face.
You're just going to start screaming and yelling and he should have just stayed off the air or stayed offline.
What he should have done is talked about it on the radio show on Monday morning and expressed the whole story.
This is the first time I've ever talked about this publicly to anybody.
And when this all happened, I got a lot of shit online about not coming out and saying stand with Ant or defend Ant or whatever.
Because I wanted to see the situation through before I said anything.
And I don't...
I didn't agree with...
The initial outburst on Twitter, but I thought to myself, okay, he was angry.
It was fucked up.
Let his blood fucking calm.
Maybe he'll apologize or reword things or whatever.
Also, too, I think if you're going to be somebody that complains about the problems in a community, you need to address those problems constructively and try to help offer solutions, not just yell From a hilltop about how fucked up it is and how you're pissed off about it.
I don't think that helps anything.
And that kind of addressing of a problem is what makes people start saying, what's going on with this guy?
You know what I mean?
It starts to sound like a very one-sided attack on something.
Now, you can agree, or anybody can agree or disagree with that point, and we can even move beyond that point to this point, which is...
After he had that Twitter outburst, I was like, okay, that was unfortunate, but let's see what he says now.
Then he went on red-eye and was like, I'm not sorry.
I'm not sorry.
I'm not apologizing.
I am not sorry for what I did.
And I was like, okay, this is starting to get a little bit more complicated now.
And then after that...
By the time he went on that white nationalist radio show to defend himself, I was just like, I don't know where this is.
There was part of a transcript of some stuff he said, but...
I found online, because I was just kind of following the situation, that he had gone on basically a white nationalist podcast or radio show or something.
The host of the show is on Wikipedia.
He's got a Wikipedia page.
The Wikipedia page is like, this is a guy that has had Holocaust deniers and shit on his show.
You know probably as good as I know him when it first happened and I'm gonna I'm putting this disclaimer out before I say anything I I am fully aware of the hellfire that I might face for not just saying I'm with the guy on this stuff.
I'm fully aware of it.
I've thought about this very long and very hard.
I am aware of it.
I'm just saying that.
Anyway...
When it first happened I was like this is really fucking unfortunate and I want to believe that my friend fucked up and I want to believe that my friend is is gonna redeem himself from this and the further it went down the road and finally for me the last final straw was the shit he was tweeting about the Ferguson situation I was just like, I can't...
I unfollowed him on Twitter.
I was like, I can't do this, man.
And that's not me saying, fuck you, Kumia.
That's me saying...
Like, dude, you have the...
He has the absolute right to say whatever he wants to say.
I would never, ever, ever say somebody doesn't have the right to speak out loud about what they have to say.
But I also have the right to react to it.
And I also have the right to say, if that's how you feel about this shit, I disagree so strongly...
And this is such a, to me, an ethical and moral issue when you start dealing with race.
I don't know how we can pal around still.
You know what I mean?
This is beyond political differences to me.
It's like once it starts getting into racial stuff, and I have to start thinking about what does it say to my black friends if I still hang out with a certain person, You know, it's a real fucking tight spot at that point.
And I also didn't agree with the whole thing where everybody was really on this, like, cancel your subscriptions thing.
And what?
And fuck Opie and Jim over?
Fuck them out of a job?
Let SiriusXM lose all this business?
I mean, those guys were left in a really tough situation, and they're making the best out of it.
And for everybody that was behind Anthony to go, yeah, cancel your fucking subscription.
Well, now why are you fucking these people over?
What did they do?
They didn't do anything.
And it just was such a messy thing.
It was just such a messy thing.
And everybody was saying this is a free speech issue.
It's not a free speech issue.
Speech is free.
Freedom of speech is free.
But it doesn't mean it comes without consequences.
It works like a giant candy dish at your doctor's office.
It's there for the taking, but if you don't handle it carefully or use it with any responsibility, you're going to get sick and fuck yourself up a little bit.
You've got to be careful.
There are repercussions for free speech.
Free speech just means you're allowed to say it.
It doesn't mean nothing bad can happen afterwards.
So when people were talking about, like, I can't believe that they fired him, it's like...
Well, whether you agree with him getting fired or not, you can't believe that they fired him.
If you had a pizza shop, and one of your top pizza makers was across the street saying that stuff, and your customers could hear him, you'd be like, we hate this fucking guy away from the pizza shop right now.
This is bad for pizza business.
So I don't see how SiriusXM is any different.
Now, again, whether you agree with him getting fired or not is a different story, but to say we can't understand why he got fired, I just think it's such a closed-minded, one-sided way of looking at it.
Well, on one hand, I kind of appreciate their loyalty.
That they want to stick up for Anthony and they want to do that.
But there are real issues when you start discussing race that you have to take into consideration.
And this Ferguson thing...
The Ferguson thing is a very unique situation because it's an incredibly impoverished community with a lot of fucking crime.
A lot of crime and a lot of police brutality.
It's just an awful place.
It's awful.
And it's not as simple as black people or white people.
This is going to sound stupid.
But I wish there was no race.
I wish there was no color.
I wish there was no differentiation other than your behavior.
Because if that was the case, we would be able to look at behavior.
And we'd be able to look at all these people that are involved in tremendous amounts of crime.
What are the variables there?
What are the single-parent households?
What are the absentee parents?
What are the kids that are growing up with drug addicts?
What are the kids that are growing up with...
Right.
That's what's going on.
It's not black people.
I know fucking crazy white people.
I grew up with a lot of poor white people that were insane.
They're just as goddamn dangerous as anybody.
There's nobody that's less dangerous when it comes to poverty and crime.
It's like you get poverty and crime and bad scenarios and children potential that's growing up in this really distorted and fucked up way, you're gonna get crazy people.
People who grow up in terrible environments, it's very difficult to rise above and you can't just say it's a black thing or a white thing.
And just because it's in the black community more than it's in the white community, Look, man, you gotta take into consideration that 150 years ago, there was slavery, okay?
And the great-grandchildren of those slaves are what you're dealing with today.
And I'm not a fan of reparations or any of those ideas that a lot of people banner back and forth, but I am a fan of what I would call social or civil engineering.
Social engineering is probably not a bad idea to try to rejuvenate impoverished communities that Are predominantly one race.
I mean, it seems to me that those places are a trap.
And if you're born in those places, whether it's poor, white, Irish people that are fucking criminals and meth heads, or whether it's black people that you grow up and both your parents are in jail, you're being raised by your grandmother who sells crack.
These are terrible environments that people are coming out of, and they're very commonplace.
That's the real issue.
The real issue is children that grow up in these environments and become really fucked up members of society.
But the real question is, why are those communities more likely?
And is it because they've been ignored?
As a society, we have a right.
We have, rather, an obligation.
To take care of our community, right?
But how far does our community extend?
That's where it gets really problematic because our community, when we think about America as a community, it's 350 million people.
It stretches out thousands of miles.
It's impossible to get everybody on board.
If we had a community and our community was 20 people and there was one guy who had no fucking money and he was doing a terrible job raising his kids and he was on drugs all the time and his kids were left alone, we would take that kid in.
We would all take that kid in.
We all would.
But we can't when there's a million kids like that.
And then those kids grow up and they become adults and they were ignored and there's no love and there's just this disastrous circumstance that they're growing up in.
That's what's wrong.
I don't believe that it's a color issue.
I believe it's an environmental issue.
I think it's a genetic issue in that the genetics of the people that were in these fucked up environments, they're raising more people that are in these fucked up environments.
It's epigenetics, learning from your environment, that passes on to the next generation.
But it's not a race thing.
It's just an environmental thing.
It could be white people that are in poor neighborhoods like those gypsies in England.
Those people are goddamn savages.
Those people that are driving around in those caravans, having bare-knuckle fights with each other, robbing everybody left and right.
I have a friend who, they're good friends in England.
They're from England.
And they have good friends in England that had to abandon their home because gypsies moved into a park next to their house.
And when they have these weird laws over there, when these gypsies show up, you know, they're not all bad, I'm sure, but these particular gypsies that moved next to them were bad.
They started robbing the neighborhood.
They started leaving their garbage everywhere.
They would dig holes and shit in them.
It was just chaos.
They would stay up late at night and drinking and screaming and fighting, and they couldn't get rid of them.
There was nothing they could do about them.
It had nothing to do with race.
It had everything to do with who are these fucking human beings.
And there were white people that were completely fucking out of control.
But if you took those same white people, raised them in a nice neighborhood, raised them in Studio City, put them in a nice suit, and have them walk into their BMW, no one would blink an eye.
Now, I might be wrong about this, but as far as I could see, it was never painted in the light of...
Of, we're leaving and we'll be back if you rehire him.
It was, fuck him, we're done.
Two days later, Anthony was like, I'm starting my own show.
And for a week, two weeks, those subscription cancellations were coming in.
So it never, to me, once came across as, we're doing this now as a walkout, as a strike, and if you guys do what we think is the right thing, we'll bring him back.
It struck me very immediately as, like, he's out the door.
He's starting his own thing.
These people are continually jumping ship.
And I just think that kind of sucks for the other two guys.
And I realize I'm not speaking for them right now.
But I think for them, I can totally understand why they wanted a boycott.
Because I think for them, that was the only way to voice their opinion in a way where the company would be forced to listen.
If the company had 50,000 people cancel their subscriptions because Anthony Cumia got fired, and then everybody said, holy shit, we just lost X amount of revenue, can we get Anthony to apologize and bring him back?
This is how I, you know, I feel like this about the Zimmerman case, too.
You know, everybody was like, oh, you know, this is a clear-cut case, that guy was a piece of shit, and, you know, George Zimmerman's an awful person, and that kid, you know, he should have been...
Or then there's other people that said, that kid was a punk, he was beating him up, and he should have shot him.
My take was always like, what would have happened if someone was cooler and they talked to that kid?
What would have happened with someone who understands people better?
I mean, what if the whole scenario had played out where it was a dude who's really good at communicating with people and very respectful and said to the kid, how you doing today, my brother?
Everything good?
And the kid said, everything's good, man.
You know, what are you up to?
You know, I mean, who knows?
Maybe the kids say, just head back from the store, man.
I was open-minded to the point of going, I understand if...
that the guy had his suspicions raised or whatever but then when you listen to those cell phone calls and he's like chasing the guy around the neighborhood it was so painfully obvious to me that here's a guy that just wants to be a hero here's a wannabe cop that wants to be a hero and shit got out of hand he bit off more than he could chew he got his fucking ass kicked by a kid and he ended up killing somebody over it you know and like somehow slid through that self-defense loophole Because, you know, how old was Trayvon?
The defenders of the cop, all they were talking about was the guy, you know, shoving the guy in the convenience store and stealing the cigar or whatever it was.
Two white witnesses came out yesterday, finally, and said, we saw the shooting and his hands were up.
His hands were up when he was shot.
You know?
So, now regardless of this weird phantom gunfire shot that happened when the cop was in the car, whatever weird fucking altercation thing happened there, whether it was that dude's fault or the cop, whatever.
Regardless of any of that, the guy is getting chased, the cop is chasing him, if he's got his fucking hands up, You're a cop, dude.
Well, the guy who was the cop that shot him was also a guy that was a part of another band of cops that was so fucked up, they had so many complaints about them, that they disbanded the whole department.
Unless you don't want to talk about this anymore, but like, you know, again, with the Cumia thing, you know, look, at the end of the day with Anthony, and this is why when I saw the Ferguson tweets, I was like, that's it, I can't...
You know, because when you see him...
I don't want to get into what he was tweeting, but the point is that I harshly didn't agree with it.
Because not only did he not help get some of the fucking heat off of me, and there was a lot of it, when he finally did address me on Twitter, As people like Colin Quinn and...
I guess anger about the situation is, when you're sitting at your aunt's funeral, who was like a second mother to you, and your phone keeps buzzing because you're getting tweets like, you're a talentless, selfish, shitbag cunt, stick up for cumia.
Are you going to do my show when you're in New York?
That's the tweet I got.
When he knew there was bullshit going on online, then he calls me out in front of everybody, like, you're on the spot, douche, let's go dance, are you coming on or not?
And I responded, you know I'm 10% black, right?
Because I thought that was fucking funny, and nothing.
And when he said fuckface or whatever he said, like, hey, fuckface, are you gonna do my show or whatever he said, do you think maybe he was just like, hey, fuckface, what are you gonna do my show?
I would do it, even though I don't agree with what he said, because he's my friend, and if we disagreed, I'd like to disagree with him on air.
People that I'm friends with have opinions I don't agree with, and sometimes I've had opinions that are off-base, and someone has sort of explained things to me in a way that's made me think about things in a different way.
I don't know if Anthony's capable of being reached like that, but sometimes you can communicate with someone and say something that opens their eyes.
In the beginning of this whole situation, I absolutely thought that he was.
And I have lost the hope of that.
And I feel like at this point, for me to act like it's like...
See, I feel like if I say this, it sounds like I'm judging you, and I don't mean to be judging you right now.
But I feel like if I were to go on his show, it would make...
Unless it was under the guise of, Joe, come on and we'll debate race.
And it's like, okay, then I could go on and...
Hey, doesn't matter what this guy thinks, I'm allowed to do this.
But if I went on the show, and let's say we didn't get around to debating race, now I'm sitting and we're just laughing and yuck it, to me that looks like I'm giving a stamp of approval.
I've really enjoyed doing that show, and I have a lot of respect for him, and I probably don't agree with him on a lot of issues.
When it comes to race, especially, because I have these opinions about things being much, much more complicated than simply black people do this, white people do that.
I don't think it's that.
I think it's poverty, it's an economic, it's a cultural issue.
It's an issue with people get stuck.
They're stuck in bad neighborhoods, they're stuck in economic situations, and I think we probably both agree with that.
And Anthony has some very good points about the reality of statistics in these communities.
I think it's a much more complex issue, but his issue is that people want to deny those realistic statistics.
The reality of those statistics is undeniable, in my opinion.
I just think that there's more to it than simply the statistics.
And I think that society as a whole has done a really shitty job at taking care of the lowest social and economic rung of the ladder.
I think people have ignored it because it's convenient, because they don't have to do anything about it.
You know, a lot of people accuse you of socialism if you say things like that.
You know, someone called me a socialist today because of that.
I'm like, you know, look, if you think taking care of poor babies is socialism, yeah, I'm a socialist.
You know what I mean?
They didn't fucking ask to be born in a ghetto, man.
And if you can't feel that, you don't have any remorse or any compassion for people that are born in terrible situations, to me, that's a mark against you as a human being.
What I said was, I said I would absolutely go on his show if the purpose was to discuss race.
I wouldn't go on the show if that wasn't preset, that we were going to do that, because if we didn't get around to discussing race, then we're just having a good time.
You know what I mean?
It's just not cool to me.
But, you know, I just...
Look, now here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
And again, I want to, well, let me just say this to defend myself a little bit.
Because I think that the reality of satellite radio is it's awesome because it's in your car.
It's way better than terrestrial radio.
You got Howard Stern.
You got Opie and Anthony.
You got all these radio stations that have...
You know, you have great music on them.
You can find channels.
I love classic vinyl.
It's great.
I love listening to satellite radio, but you have to listen to what they want you to listen to.
I don't listen to it.
I have it in my car.
Most of the time, I listen to podcasts.
Most of the time, I'm listening to Hardcore History or Radiolab or any of our friends' podcasts.
That's what I do most of the time.
I don't...
I just think it's an archaic way to get programming.
It's this idea that you have to listen to what's on when it's on.
That's great if you happen to be flipping through the channels or you turn on your car and Opie and Anthony comes on or the Anthony and Jimmy show, whatever they call it now, or Opie and Jimmy.
When it comes on and it's an interesting interview, it's great.
Well, I mean, well, no, I also mean, like, just in the public discussion forums, like, the second you don't, you didn't, not you, but anybody, generally, the second you didn't hashtag stand with Ant...
Or come out and say something, you were a traitor and a piece of shit.
And it's like, well, that's not open-minded discussion either.
I guess I always think that because the shitheels are more prone to write stuff, Or voice the negative opinion than the positive people are to voice the positive.
It seems like the majority voice is that sort of negative voice sometimes.
The real question is, did he say things that he doesn't mean?
Was he upset?
Or is that what he really feels?
And if that's the case, then it becomes a real issue.
Because if that's the case, if he denies that there's some complexities to it, but my interactions with him, my communication with him has not been that.
My communications with him has been there is a real problem in those communities, but it's not his fault.
And what he deals with is the PC denial of these real problems in that community.
And that was always how it seemed to be, at least at the times when I was in the studio and stuff and would hear it.
And when we hung out...
I mean, dude, this is a dude...
I can't stress this enough.
I'm bummed about the whole thing, first and foremost, because this is a dude I used to have a great fucking time with.
We would drink...
Dude, I had so much fun with him, and it never got heavy.
Ever.
Ever, ever, ever.
So, like, the...
When the discussions of this stuff would come up on the show, when you're in the room, it sounded a little more to me like what you're saying.
Like he's addressing that there was this problem.
But then there was also the times where he would get real mad on the air.
And even in those times, you're like, okay, he just got a little hot today, and that's not that big of a deal.
But then, when all these things happened after the show, or after he was fired from the show, that's when it started to feel kind of, like, weird to me, where I was like, okay, well, was all that anger coming from a different place?
I would have to pay attention to what he actually said on that show.
I didn't see it.
I didn't listen to it.
But the fact that he went on a white nationalist show is not good.
You know, like...
Isn't it funny?
You know, this is a funny thing, man, because I've been going back and forth with people because of something I said the other day on a podcast about Jon Jones, where I said that I think that a lot of the hate that Jon Jones gets, it's possible that some of it might be because of racism.
I said...
I wonder if some of it might be because of racism.
That was my exact words.
And people said, there's headlines of things that said white guilt.
Rogan thinks that it's all because of racism.
It's such a hot-button topic.
If you bring it up in any form at all, you bring up racism in any form at all, people just immediately...
Brown pride never meant the same thing as white pride.
White pride has always been synonymous with white power.
Always.
Those two terms have never not been linked to one another.
So you put white pride out there, it sounds like white power, people start going down that road, and they're like, what the fuck is this guy all about?
Brown pride?
When it's like, hey man, I'm from a suppressed people, or oppressed people, excuse me, uh...
And hey, man, I'm proud of who I am.
Nobody would have a problem with a white guy where it said Italian pride or Irish pride.
If someone had Irish pride written on their chest, like if Conor McGregor had Irish pride on his back as a famous Irish fighter, nobody would give a fuck.
Dude, it goes back to the thing you said about certain communities having to deal with certain setbacks, right?
I'm not putting words in your mouth here.
That's essentially what you said.
Certain communities have had certain setbacks.
The white community as a whole has not faced too many setbacks.
It's just a fact.
Most of global tyranny, violence, genocide, whatever, a big chunk of it has been perpetuated by white people.
And white people have pretty much prevailed in the majority In most of the societies that they have ever existed in.
I'm not saying there aren't poor white people.
I don't agree with that whole white people problems bullshit.
I'm not saying that white people can't have a hard time.
And I'm not saying that there aren't people that aren't white that are as well off or way better off than a lot of white people.
But, if you want to speak in generalities of race, white has had the least amount of headaches.
So it's tough when the people that have had the least amount of setbacks and the least amount of headaches stand to the side and go, stop your complaining.
Stop your complaining.
Because then it starts to be like, fuck you, man.
Fuck you.
That's like somebody going, you know, Joe, you know, man, oh, did you take jujitsu when you were a kid because your upbringing was so bad?
Oh, stop fucking...
You know what I mean?
Then you want to be like, hey, fuck you.
You don't know anything about my fucking upbringing.
It's darker, it's more fucked up, and racism to me is one of the...
It's one of the most unfortunate aspects of humanity, this idea of just seeing someone, basing it on all the data that you've accumulated in the X amount of years you've been alive, all the bad experiences you've had with white people or black people, whatever it is that you have a racism towards, and then automatically assuming that this person you have no interaction with whatsoever is negative based on that.
It's just so limiting and it's so unfortunate.
It's one of the most unfortunate aspects of being a person, so I can never support it.
But I think it's a complex subject for debate.
It's a very complex subject.
There's a lot going on there.
And anybody that pretends it isn't, whether it's Anthony or whether it's on the progressive side, whichever side has a non-nuanced opinion on it, I think it's a disservice to a complex topic.
I mean, it would be nice if we could just judge people on who sucks and then figure out why they suck.
But you know what, man?
I wonder if it's even fucking possible to ever work it out.
I kind of feel like to the day humans stop, until the day we become something else.
I just don't see how there's ever going to be a universal group of people that gets it right.
No.
Any culture ever completely gets it right, where there's no fuckheads, there's no jealousy, there's no bullshit, there's no insecurity or nonsense or...
You look at the situations in the inner cities because of all these different factors that we're talking about and how it began and how it got to where it is now and everything.
It's like, how could you ever, in a million years, rectify that?
Because when you try everybody, everybody, I think, just by default, I don't know what it is, I guess it's just survival tactics or whatever, we all sort of have that run-with-the-pack mentality.
It's like when you're growing up, no matter what kind of neighborhood you live in, whether it's a suburb or the projects or in a fucking country dirt road, on a country dirt road.
Excuse me.
There's always the one kid that's maybe going places, and that one kid always gets the same advice.
You want to go anywhere?
You better stop hanging around with these fucking knuckleheads that you're running around with, because these guys are going to hold you back.
Why?
Because for some reason in anybody's community, the mentality, the notion is stick together.
If you leave, that means you think you're better.
That means you think you're different.
Dude, it happened to me, and I'm from the fucking suburbs.
So it's not just a thing you hear about...
in rap songs when guys are talking about people in the projects trying to hold them back.
It's a thing that happens all over.
So if I was the president I were the president.
I would say to people, strive for independent success.
Stop worrying about what's happening to the people.
I'm not saying like in a callous way, fuck the people around you.
Be concerned about your community.
But strive for independent success because you're not going to be able to fix the problem from within.
You have to get out and fix it from the outside.
And if enough people can get out and start to assist from the outside, then there's a chance.
East Coast more so, I think, and I... We've talked about this before, but I believe it's because they're the children of immigrants that, like, almost everyone on the East Coast is...
The grandfathers or the great-grandfathers came over from Europe or some other country, landed on the East Coast, and stayed there.
Whereas by the time people got to the West Coast, they were a bit more progressive, people more wanderlust, more people looking for different options.
I think here, there's a massive, I'd say almost bleeding heart, liberal mentality, and At least from what I've experienced here, as being somebody who needs to assimilate into this system that's here, you know what I mean?
I'm not to a point in my life where I can just go off and do my own thing and be okay.
I still need to meet the right people and...
And kind of work my way into the system and all that stuff and familiarize myself with them.
And I find that there is a very, very, very, like I said, almost bleeding heart mentality here.
And it feels like the same thing to me, except in the other direction.
Well, in my LA experience, but I think the city itself, I think at least Southern California, I think there's a certain common mentality that exists here.
Like, hey, you can't act that way.
That's too edgy, meaning on edge, not meaning you're saying edgy things.
The problem with the show business that you're communicating with, you're talking about people on television and things along those lines, is that there's a lot of people trying to get people to hire them for things.
Trying to get people to cast them in shows.
Trying to get people to give them deals.
Trying to get people to like them.
And the way to get people to like them is to subscribe to whatever popular opinions these people subscribe to.
And in show business, it's almost universally liberal.
And that's one of the things that people like Charlton Heston or John Voight or Clint Eastwood have always complained about.
These are the rare Hollywood conservatives because everyone in Hollywood is liberal.
And I think that there's some valid...
I think it's also the nature of the beast itself, where you want people to like you.
You want people to accept you.
And there's a lot of fake fucks out here because of that.
Because the business itself, it sort of rewards fakery.
It rewards conformity.
And the conformity, a lot of it, is this sort of left-wing, liberal thinking.
I think there's a Carlin line where he says, species' first interest is always survival.
I just think that's a thing.
It's why whenever any one of us is at a party and we're outnumbered in opinion, Whether it's a political discussion or a fucking discussion about people think Katy Perry's the best.
It's part of being a human being, and yeah, you're right.
It's part of, like, the only way you can ensure your survival is that you're a part of a group.
I mean, that's ingrained in our DNA, because at one point in time, that's how we survived.
Marauding tribes would come into our villages.
You had to stay united as a united front.
And I think it's a stronger urge in these places where, you know, like in Philly and places along those lines, where, you know, these communities stay intact.
Whereas in LA, there's more wandering.
LA, everyone's transient.
They came here from another place.
They move around.
And I don't think it's the same thing.
But there's definitely, like, Brian posted that thing up.
I don't know if you saw it, but they did a Twitter map of hate speech, East Coast to West Coast.
It's probably like Michael Jackson doesn't have any balls theory.
It probably sucks.
But I think that a lot of that has to do with the spread of immigration.
And that my own experience with immigrants, my grandparents were immigrants.
And I grew up in New Jersey and then in Boston, and I grew up around a lot of immigrants, people that were children of immigrants or grandchildren of immigrants.
And I think that that's a lot of what happens.
I think there's just a trap.
And it's not as bad as a trap that's in the impoverished black communities, but it's still a very similar trap as far as a behavioral trap.
People are fucking strange, man, because it took a lot of work to get to 2014 with all the rhinos and lions and fucking poisonous bugs and all the shit that's out there that can fuck you up.
It took a long time and a lot of work for us to get to where we are today with lava lamps and laptops and shit.
We had to get our way through a lot of things and we had to stay protected while we innovate.
Here's a crazy thing, totally off subject, but I think we've beaten this to death anyway.
They found a huge underground reservoir recently that holds three times as much water as the Earth's oceans.
It's a study that was published in Science Magazine that Earth's water may have been there all along, oozing out gradually from the rock deep in the crust, Right.
Right.
comets.
The comets, when you see a comet streaking across the sky, what you're seeing is melting ice.
You're seeing enormous, you know, miles wide chunks of ice that are flying through space and the trail, the tail of the comet is actually ice being, you know, evaporating as these things fly through the air.
So this is this new study that they have found, this water in these subterranean...
I don't know how it...
I don't understand it.
It's called subterranean woodite, ringwoodite.
R-I-N-G-W-O-O-D-I-T-E. I don't know what that means.
A deep blue mineral chemically similar to peridot, a green mineral often used in jewelry and that it's been found in meteorites.
And this ringwoodite came from the transition zone between the upper and lower mantle about 400 miles below the Earth's surface.
It's about 15% of the weight of this stuff turned out to be water.
It says if a lot of this water-heavy mineral existed underground, scientists reasoned that there might be enough water to explain where Earth's oceans came from.
And so then they started doing these studies and tried to figure this out, and they found this insane amount of water below the Earth's surface.
I don't think so, because I think what they're saying, they're saying this ringwoodite stuff, it's that water is compressed in these minerals.
See, this is the exact way they word it.
Obviously, I'm an idiot, but bear with me.
A Northwestern University professor who led the study found water in subterranean ringwoodite, a deep blue mineral chemically similar to peridot, a green mineral often used in jewelry.
Until a sample turned up in 2008 in a diamond coughed up from a volcano, ringwoodite had only been found in meteorites.
The ringwoodite came from the transition zone, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
If a lot of this water-heavy mineral existed underground, so this water-heavy mineral is what contains all this water.
So I don't know if they can get it out of the water.
See, it sounds like, you know, you would hear that and you would say, oh, there's like rivers under the ocean.
I don't think they're saying that.
I think what they're saying is this water-heavy mineral is so dense in the Earth's Under the Earth's mantle that the amount of water in it is much more than the amount that's in the oceans.
And now we're into a discussion about how we're learning about the actual earth.
And now there's three times more water here than we thought there were, whatever it is.
And it's so fucking over, like that discussion into that news piece, it's, I literally have the same feeling I had when I was at the Grand Canyon and I was like, I don't even exist.
You know what I mean?
I've never felt more like a speck of dust right now.
Well, then they keep finding these Goldilocks planets, these planets in the Goldilocks zone that are capable of supporting the same type of life that exists on Earth.
I mean, scientists say that life can exist in a bunch of different ways than they never thought before.
Like, they're finding life in these volcanic vents deep, deep, deep in the ocean where they never thought that any being could survive the extreme temperatures.
You know, they're essentially living off lava in the ocean floor.
These vents are giving birth to these weird kind of life forms.
Well, you know, if you think about plants like Venus flytraps and shit like that, where they have carnivorous plants, at what point is a plant an animal?
I mean, when plants start fucking closing in on flies and eating them, I get it's a plant, but that's a predator.
May 2010, the International Institute for Species Exploration at Arizona State University selected this Plant is one of the top ten new species described in 2009. So in 2009 they started finding that this thing is a real plant.
unidentified
I don't understand how we didn't know about a plant until 2009. Oh, there's a lot of plants we still don't know about in the Amazon.
And that's the rainforest in the Congo, and the African rainforest, but there's also the South American rainforests.
They're massive.
The rainforest in Brazil and Peru and down there, I mean, there's so many plants.
And that's one of the reasons why these pharmaceutical companies keep going down there to try to explore and find out new plants that can provide new drugs and Good reasons for cancer medications and cure diseases and things along those lines.
And also, there's some of them that they're using for...
They're trying to do research on this ant.
There's an ant called the bullet ant.
One of the most painful stings in the world.
But...
It doesn't just sting you.
Oh, not the bullet ant.
Caps your ass.
It really fucks you up.
That one fucks you up.
They're trying to use that for something else.
I got it confused.
It's actually the Brazilian wandering spider I was going to bring up.
The Brazilian wandering spider is so fucked up.
It stings you.
It's in the jungle of Brazil.
It stings you and gives you an unbelievably painful erection to the point where if you survive, where a lot of people don't, if you survive, your dick is broken forever.
And so these pharmaceutical companies are trying to figure out how to make that the new super Viagra.
Not that they need it.
Doesn't Viagra work?
Can't they just move on?
And the reason is they want to have something that's new.
It's like there's competing forces.
There's Viagra, then there's Cialis came along.
We last longer!
And then, you know, there's other ones.
We don't give you as much of a headache.
And then there's this one and that one.
And they're always trying to find some new one, but they're trying to figure out a way to use this evil, fucking murderous spider's venom and get your dick hard with it.
My back porch is literally, you can find 20 of them, and just sitting down.
They're everywhere.
I have so much trees and spiderwebs, and what sucks is at night I'll go out and have a cigarette, and I've walked through so many spiderwebs that I'm surprised that I... Did you ever get bit by one?
But I did a side-by-side with the regular new iPhone 6. And the Galaxy S5. Well, the good thing about the big one is that it's supposed to have two hours more of battery life.
I'm just doing spots around town this weekend, but if I'm going to plug something, I really would like to plug my new album, Mistakes Were Made, The B-Sides.
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Alright, I'll be back tomorrow with Tim Burnett from Solo Hunters.
And that's it.
Much love.
Big kiss.
See you soon.
Ice House is sold out this weekend, so you snoozed.