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June 30, 2014 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #517 - Crash, from Float Lab
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joe rogan
Hello, my friends.
It's time again.
This episode of the podcast, this is July 4th weekend, so I know you're going to be out there at the lake or the beach taking your clothes off, trying to look sexy in your swimsuit, and it's probably a disaster.
We can help you, ladies and gentlemen.
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That's O-N-N-I-T. I've always been a big proponent of kettlebells because it's one of the first weightlifting things that I've ever done that allows me to kind of get like the whole workout in.
Like a lot of times when I used to lift weights, regular I'd lift weights and then another day I'd do cardio.
I'd do one day weights, one day of cardio.
But with a really good kettlebell workout, I get a brutal cardio workout and it allows me to get it all done in one shot.
I'm a huge fan of them.
It's fun to do and it makes you feel like some Russian savage living in Siberia back in the 1930s or whatever the fuck they invented these things.
What they are is like a cannonball with a big metal handle on it and you swing them around And in doing so in all these various exercises, you develop what they call functional strength, meaning strength for your entire body, not isolated individual movements, but your entire body.
And do they have no chimp?
Where's the chimp, man?
brian redban
Yeah, I was going to say, something's missing.
joe rogan
The motherfuckers ran out of chimps.
brian redban
He ran away.
joe rogan
No, we must have run out.
Those fucking things sell like crazy.
That's the primal bells.
The primal bells are these new kettlebells that we had.
This is the most important thing.
They look cool as shit.
We have chimpanzees, and then we also have zombies.
We have apes, rather.
We also have zombies.
But the most important thing is that they don't just look good, but that they're 3D mapped.
What we have them is we made sure that all of the kettlebells that you're getting, they're not imbalanced.
You can make a cool face, but if the cool face wasn't balanced, it would kind of defeat the purpose of a kettlebell.
The whole idea about a kettlebell is it's got to be balanced when you move it.
So it looks badass, but I use the Gorilla, and you get a really good workout with it.
It doesn't feel at all like a gimmick.
Even when it slams into your arm with a gorilla face first, if you're an idiot, if you're not paying attention to how you swing on the kettlebells.
One thing that I can really not stress enough when it comes to this stuff, if you're thinking about doing any kind of physical activity, if you've never worked out before, you've got to do two things if you can.
The one thing, the if-you-can part, is hire a personal trainer to show you how to do the movements correctly.
Just, you know, find out.
Someone will do it for you.
He'll probably let you iPhone video it.
And let someone, you know, show you how to do, like, a clean and press, how to do a windmill, how to do these things correctly, and then videotape it, and then you can do it on your own.
And you can literally never have to go to a gym again.
With a chin-up bar and a couple kettlebells, like, you can get ferocious workouts in on a daily basis.
But start slow.
If you're a meathead like me, and you're a dummy, and if someone says, take three vitamins, you're like, I'll take fucking five and see what's up.
You could hurt yourself with these things.
Starts low.
We have 35-pounders.
We have 18-pounders.
The Howler Monkey is 18 pounds.
And we go all the way up to 70 pounds with the Primal Bells.
But if you're a real savage, one of those bona fide fitness freaks, like perhaps one of those CrossFit dudes who enter into those championships, that bitch-ass 70 pounds is probably not going to be enough for you.
If that's the case, we sell them even heavier.
The heaviest ones we sell, I don't know why they do them in kilograms.
I guess that's out of respect to Mother Russia or some shit.
They all say kilogram.
brian redban
At least they don't say poods anymore or whatever that was.
joe rogan
Yeah, we got rid of pood, but now it's still in kilogram.
Okay, what the fuck is 40 kilograms?
Let's find out.
Let's tell people.
I think it's 88 pounds.
brian redban
It's weird that they would do that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it seems odd.
brian redban
For Americans, man.
joe rogan
What is 40 kilograms in pounds?
Yes, it's 88 pounds.
So that's the heaviest one we have.
If you can throw around an 88-pound kettlebell, you are some kind of man.
For everybody else, start slow, be healthy, and like I said, it's my favorite all-time method of just physical exercise.
Just, you know, without martial arts being the obvious number one, but just for regular exercise, kettlebells are the shit.
And it feels good.
It feels good when you do them.
You're stretching out a lot of the movements, so it's got almost like a yoga sort of a vibe to it, like windmills.
Windmills are some of my favorite things to do.
Super good for your core and your back.
But again, do them slow.
And if you're interested in any of the Onnit supplements, use the code word ROGAN and you will save 10% off any and all supplements.
Alright, Crash from the Float Lab is here, ladies and gentlemen.
So without any further ado, and no more fuckery afoot, Let's get rolling.
Hey, ladies and gentlemen, for many of you who've heard this podcast before, you're aware of a thing that I'm really into called the sensory deprivation tank.
And the sensory deprivation tank was invented by a guy named John Lilly, who is a scientist and a real freak.
Like a guy who is just really out there.
Really fascinating guy.
And he wrote a book that I picked it up on, I think, like Amazon.com, like the used books that they'll sell you, like people, sellers, individual sellers will sell it.
And it's The Deep Self.
And in it, he talks about the benefits of the tank, detailed construction on how to make your own tank.
He's got like diagrams in it.
And just really, really fascinating guy.
And he was into all sorts of weird altered states of consciousness.
And one of the things that he wanted to figure out was how to separate the body from the senses.
And he came up with a bunch of different designs.
There's a movie, Altered States, that's kind of very loosely based on the idea of a guy like him going completely haywire and becoming like a monkey.
That's how I got into sensory deprivation tanks.
I saw Altered States.
And they were historically fairly accurate in the design of the tanks.
The initial one...
That you saw in Altered States showed what Lily at first came up with, which was like a glass scuba helmet that sort of suspended him in regular water.
And he would actually poop and pee into it.
He had like some crazy filtration system so he could stay in there and not have to defecate or urinate so it would go through some system that he had created.
I mean, this dude was gone.
He was off the deep end.
I mean, he's about as off the deep end as ever.
But his big thing was to try to figure out how you can get the mind free of the influence of the body.
And the best method he came up to Was this idea of the tank.
And he figured out eventually to put salt water in it.
And that if you put enough Epsom salts, your body would float.
And then he could maintain the heating temperature to essentially, what's the same temperature as the surface of your skin, and you wouldn't be able to recognize where the water was.
And it would give you the sensation of complete sensory deprivation.
And he figured this out, and from that point on, till like, God, I don't mean, I met you in, what was it like, how many years ago was it?
crash hoefler
Five or six, probably.
joe rogan
Five or six years ago.
Before that, I had that other gentleman who used to repair tanks for Samadhi, who's a great guy.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he told me about you.
And the guy was fixing my Samadhi tank.
My Samadhi tank had fucked up.
It wasn't the tank that fucked up.
It was the heater.
It burnt through the lining of the waterbed.
And it shorted out the whole thing.
It was a disaster.
Like, sometimes those heating elements, they'll just pop, you know, for whatever reason.
They cook, and it just melted a hole through the thing.
So he had to repair it.
He had to repair the lining.
And while he was repairing the lining, he goes, you know, there's this guy in Venice that makes these, like, really high-tech tanks.
And he goes, you should contact him.
His name is Crash.
He's kind of an interesting guy.
And so I asked him about it and he went into depth about all the crazy shit that you had done to these tanks and what they looked like.
And he sent me to your website and I saw the tank.
This is pre the stand-up tanks.
They were still like smaller, like ones like Samadhi, but way better constructed.
You had figured out how to do it where it was just like this.
It looks like a meat locker.
I mean, it's so solid and well built.
And all your crazy filtration system and everything.
And I realized that you were this one lone dude out there who was innovating in this sort of forgotten business.
This sort of forgotten aspect of modern day understanding of the mind.
I mean, it's really, it was ignored.
Somehow or another, I don't know what happened.
I don't know how all these scientists and geniuses missed out on the sensory deprivation tank promotion.
They should have been talking about it everywhere.
It is a mind-blowing It's an evolution in meditation.
It's a mind-blowing next step in meditation where you instantaneously go.
If you get good enough at it and you do it long enough, you instantaneously can go to psychedelic states.
Intense, introspective, objective psychedelic states that change your life.
They fundamentally change the way you think about life.
And the fact that these people are promoting this, it's not a drug.
It's totally safe.
It's totally easy to acquire.
It ends anytime you want.
You open the door to get out and it's over.
There's no repercussions.
There's no weirdness to it.
You instantaneously drift back into normal consciousness.
No one's talking about it.
No one's doing it.
And I found you.
And Brian...
Created this video Brian was the guy who made that video where we went down to the basement and videotaped the the tank and From from that video on We started I'm hearing more and more people opening up these centers.
They started going crazy.
They started opening up all over the place.
And you continue to innovate.
And you haven't said a word yet, by the way.
unidentified
Have you noticed that?
crash hoefler
Well, no, I don't have to.
I'm just nodding my head.
I mean, you're doing such a good job at your appraisal of the situation that I don't want to dilute it.
joe rogan
No, I just feel like I'm yapping too much.
crash hoefler
Not at all.
I'm really enjoying this because you are the guy that six years ago, whatever it was, that first understood that too.
Not only...
Was I out there, you know, kind of standing around by myself?
But, you know, when I found you, then, that really escalated the exposure in general.
And that just isn't for me.
It has to do with industry overall.
Once that, you know, you became...
Because you're an honest guy and your opinion, people trust it.
And when you say something, then, it has value.
You know, there's other been people say, oh, this, that, whatever.
You know, it doesn't have that sincerity, the true, you know, from what you believe type thing.
It's a lot of times influenced by this or that.
But once you, you know, and you've been, like I say, even with the device thing was a big thing with this.
joe rogan
Oh, Hamilton Morris.
It was great.
crash hoefler
Incredible.
And without you, that wouldn't have happened.
You know, it's just, and that, these things help out everybody right now because the industry deserves A opportunity to expand and become available to people in general.
Because it is an important thing to a person that's in the process of considering what it is that they're doing with themselves, which I think is very important for people to...
Take responsibility for their actions and what they do and what they say.
You're free to do that.
You're allowed to be different.
You're allowed to go ahead and say, you know what, I don't think this is quite the way that I... This is becoming actually more popular now.
It's like freaky people that are able to go out and say, oh, hey, maybe that.
And they're going, oh, yeah.
They're doing all kinds of weird stuff.
I don't even know what a Pilates is, but it's catching on.
I don't know if it's just our neighborhood or what it is in LA, but there's different yoga, spinning, all these different things.
activities that people do.
A lot of the crossover, too, currently is based on these athletes that you have contact with or that respect your perspective or whatever, and they show up.
That guy, Jeremy Stevens, was here the other day again.
And then I watched him on a clip the other day.
I don't know when that fight was from.
joe rogan
It was this past weekend.
crash hoefler
Is that when he got that guy down?
He kicked him?
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
That was a knockout that he had in the previous fight.
crash hoefler
Man, I just saw that the other day.
joe rogan
That was in Brazil.
Yeah, incredible.
crash hoefler
And he's such a nice guy.
joe rogan
Great guy.
crash hoefler
All those guys.
joe rogan
Very smart, too.
crash hoefler
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
A lot of those guys are surprisingly nice and surprisingly smart.
I think a lot of people have this idea about people that are involved in combat sports that they're mean.
They're assholes.
crash hoefler
Quite the contrary.
I find to be some of the most level, well-adjusted people to come in contact with.
They're not trying to prove anything because they're already secure with who they are.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're more level.
That's the best way of putting it.
Because you're forced to get your ego checked on a super regular basis.
When that happens, you just have a better view of things.
People are constantly afraid of losing.
When you're a fighter, you lose in the gym all the time.
You kind of Mellow that out.
You get an understanding of who you are.
And also, the blowing off of the energy in the gym, you just feel so much better.
You're more chilled.
You're more relaxed about stuff.
Like a lot of people, a lot of what their stress is, is that their body's a battery.
Their body's building up all this energy and it never gets exerted.
So you're taking in all this food.
You're sitting in a cubicle.
You're sitting in your car.
You're sitting at the movies.
You're constantly sitting and not doing anything.
And you're just irritable.
Your body's just trying to fuck.
Dude, you fucking move?
Get something going?
Come on.
We've got all this shit pent up.
And then someone will get in front of you in traffic.
Fuck you!
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
And people wonder where that's coming from.
Well, that's coming from you're all backed up.
You know?
You are backed up.
I know there's nothing scientific whatsoever to what I just said.
crash hoefler
The trigger is short on some of us, you know?
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's also, you know, you're not getting your endorphins to kind of calm you down.
And I think that the tank represents a level of that in some way.
That I think that it's a thing that should not just be something that people...
It becomes popular, but...
Something that becomes popular in a way where people get a chance to do a new thing that they could get excited about, which is one of the things that people like with Pilates or yoga.
A new thing that they could be excited about that could benefit them mentally, which is where I think we're missing out on a lot of this stuff.
I think yoga does benefit you mentally.
I think it calms you down, and it's very good for you physically.
But the physical aspect and the mental aspect coincide.
With the tank, it's 100% mental.
It's a weird, weird experience.
crash hoefler
Plus it's available for a human being to actually participate in.
This meditation where you sit in a room with your legs crossed and you're supposed to check out somehow.
I can't do that.
But I go sit in that box for a couple few hours and go all kinds of different things.
joe rogan
Well, you know, the meditation is possible.
I know that there's people that do that kundalini yoga and they have these intense psychedelic visions and I believe them 100% because You do have endogenous chemicals that the brain produces that can give you psychedelic experiences.
Like we know about dimethyltryptamine and we know about 5-methoxydimethyltryptamine being produced by the human body.
So if those are being produced by the body, there could easily be some ancient method of stimulating that production, of releasing some sort of a burst of that production.
And so these super kundalini masters Which seems like it would be something you'd want to do, but for whatever reason, I'm not compelled.
I'm not compelled enough to learn it.
But they can experience natural DMT trips at the highest levels of their art form, which I believe.
I think you just got to get really good at sitting there.
You just got to get really good at yoga positions.
You got to get really good at meditating.
You got to get really good at just getting good enough at yoga physically that you could just sort of fall into these forms.
And then when you're falling into these forms and supporting yourself, in some way, by making your body work like that, you, like, heighten your expression to whatever it is that yoga's trying to tap into.
And it's very psychedelic.
But it's still not the tank.
crash hoefler
And it's difficult, you know, for me, because I'm too wound up.
I can't sit somewhere and just sit there.
joe rogan
But if you tried, maybe you could force yourself.
crash hoefler
Yeah, I would have to force me.
joe rogan
But do you think that would be good for you, to force yourself to do something like that?
unidentified
See, I don't.
crash hoefler
I don't have the...
It's just not in my way that I... You know what I mean?
When I'm awake, I'm looking at, like even when I'm out snowboarding or riding my, whatever, I don't wear the earphones or whatever.
If I'm right, I need to listen to what's happening, man, all the time.
Distractive, in general.
But in there, it cuts everything off, and I go straight into my head, and there's nothing else there except for that.
joe rogan
I see what you're saying, too, about the physical.
For some folks, they're just not interested in doing anything that's really physically strenuous.
I totally understand that.
And that energy winds up being...
They distribute that energy to their work, like you do.
You're kind of just a mad fiend with your work and your constant improvements and innovations to all this stuff.
Like...
You know, your energy goes where your energy is probably best suited.
You know, it's not the same for everybody.
That's what I'm trying to say.
crash hoefler
Some people have extra time or they're in the process or pursuit and that's a viable...
It's a good method of expression.
joe rogan
Plus it's a good way to meet chicks with nice legs.
crash hoefler
That's what I think they're probably the most advantageous.
joe rogan
Otherwise, why are they going?
crash hoefler
What is it, Bikram yoga, where it's all sweaty, they're in there, it's like 400 degrees, and you're going, oh wow, this is a lot of fun.
joe rogan
You're basically having sex with a room full of people.
It's the strangest thing ever.
crash hoefler
And I see with all these things in mind, the chamber doesn't sound so bad.
You know what I'm saying?
Just go in this thing and lay down there, and all of a sudden you have the ability to tap into yourself.
joe rogan
I like both, man.
I really do like doing yoga.
crash hoefler
Well, you like to go pump up.
I'm going to get me one of those gorilla, a couple of those kettlebells.
Yeah, I like all what you just had to say about that.
Start small, though.
joe rogan
Yes.
crash hoefler
Yeah, like a baby gorilla or something.
joe rogan
Do you do any exercises?
crash hoefler
No.
joe rogan
Nothing?
unidentified
Nothing.
crash hoefler
Nope.
I go up and down the stairs.
joe rogan
That works.
That's something.
crash hoefler
Yeah, and I walk.
joe rogan
That is a decision that people don't realize.
If you get to the airport and every time there's a stairway, you force yourself to take the stairway.
Every time there's an escalator, you avoid that and get the stairs.
Just that alone will make your trip just slightly better.
Just get a little blood flow in your body.
crash hoefler
I like that Turbo Sonic, too.
You ever get on yours?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, I got that.
I got it from you.
crash hoefler
I get on that once in a while because I don't like that donut top, the muffin top.
I don't like to have that thing.
joe rogan
So it helps you lose weight?
crash hoefler
I don't do it too much for my sit-ups or something like this to try to get that from collecting down there.
But standing on that thing, it kind of helps, I think, at least I psychologically believe it's something I'm doing for exercise.
joe rogan
Wasn't that thing invented for Russian cosmonauts to keep them in orbit?
crash hoefler
Yeah, I think that they were having issues with muscle deterioration and atrophy or whatever.
So they, I guess, incorporated this system of vibration into the strengthening of their muscles, apparently.
But I don't really know.
It seems like, well, where did they take it?
Did they take it up in the ship with them?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a good question.
crash hoefler
Did they stop off somewhere at the place?
joe rogan
Because you would have to have gravity to use it, right?
crash hoefler
Where's it at?
Is there electricity?
Seems like a bulky piece to bring up with you if you're...
Limited amount of space, you know, I don't know.
joe rogan
Doesn't it also seem that if you did use it up in space, it wouldn't work?
crash hoefler
Yeah, because it shoots you right up, maybe.
Who knows?
You don't have any resistance.
joe rogan
Yeah, the gravity is like half the thing, right?
crash hoefler
I think that's the principle that it's working with.
Well, chambers in space then would work fine.
If you take a chamber up there to space, you wouldn't have to use as much salt there or something.
joe rogan
I think it feels good.
That's why I like it.
crash hoefler
The vibrating on it?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know if it's doing anything for me, but I feel it's like a little body massage.
When I get on there, and for folks who don't know what it is, it's like some sort of a giant speaker, but it doesn't make sound.
It just sends, it's so weird to describe.
It sends like sonic waves, right?
crash hoefler
Yeah, it moves you up and down.
It's a voice coil.
A speaker has a voice coil and has a cone on it.
Then the voice coil moves the cone up and down.
That creates a sound wave.
This does have a cone, has a platform.
So it moves you up and down in a variety of frequencies.
So it kind of runs you through a pattern.
Then you can dial it up and say, oh, this is supposed to do this or that.
I thought it was going to be a big hit.
I think it has something to do with that fat ass syndrome.
Are there people that get that...
Going on from too much to stopping off at the wrong places.
joe rogan
I don't know if the TurboSonic can fix that.
crash hoefler
It's a good start.
joe rogan
I think they should eat less of that shit and work out a little bit.
But what I do know about it is, whatever it does, it feels good.
I don't know why it feels good.
I'm not sure.
It feels like a little, when you're getting vibrated, it feels like a little massage.
crash hoefler
Yeah, you can believe something's happening.
I don't know exactly what's going on, but it seems to be something.
joe rogan
And the variations, too.
It's really cool.
It goes in a cycle where it'll go really fast and really slow.
So it keeps you kind of interested in it.
And by doing that, it's supposed to be stimulating individual...
crash hoefler
It gets your flow going.
Like you were saying about that, working up like that.
You've got to get your body in motion.
I think people, they sit too long on a chair all day long without moving around.
It's probably not that good.
joe rogan
Yeah, we've talked about it a million times.
The whole thing is just...
Sitting in an office is a fucking terrible way to live your life.
It's supposed to be super bad for you as I sit in an office.
But we only do it at like three hours at a pop.
And even then, I get up and I'm like...
crash hoefler
I have an office.
I sit in my office every day, all day long.
Then I get out of it and go back to it.
An office is how you set it up, I think.
See, this is okay to sit around here.
This is a fine office.
Certain offices, they've got that horrible light, and then there's the rules, and you've got a suit on.
Now you're sitting in the office, the whole thing represents a bummer.
joe rogan
Do you think you have to do that to people to get them to work?
Do you have to make them wear a suit to get them to work?
I mean, if you let people wear t-shirts and jeans and shit, would they take insurance as seriously as they do if they're wearing that goofy monkey suit?
Would they stick to the company line when they're on the phone giving those pep speaks?
crash hoefler
You wonder what's the image they're trying to project.
What is it you're trying to...
joe rogan
I'm a no-nonsense guy, Mr. Crash.
crash hoefler
Yeah, I guess.
joe rogan
Well, I look at my tie and I never swear.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
When I'm at the office, I'm completely appropriate.
crash hoefler
And I'm leaving these guys every time because I just don't think that that's who I want to be doing anything with, is these characters that are not working on their own, you know.
Oh, they're for these guys or those guys.
Who are you?
What do you want?
What's your story?
Well, these guys or those guys.
You know what I mean?
You're working for somebody and that's why you're showing up in a tie and a suit.
joe rogan
Or you have a bunch of people working for you and you want to look the role.
Yeah, you've got to look impressive.
unidentified
I'm here to sell insurance, Mr. Crash.
joe rogan
I'm a no-nonsense guy.
Look at my cuff.
They're perfectly cut.
crash hoefler
There's guys that do those commercials on the TV, rich person or whatever it is.
Oh, look at my boat.
Oh, I have these houses everywhere, and I've got a yacht.
joe rogan
Look at all my real estate, Mr. Crash.
I'm living like a winner.
crash hoefler
Meanwhile, I'm standing here in this terrible auditorium with a bunch of you, and this is what I'm begging for you maybe to give me some of your money.
So I can continue on with my maybe, maybe not lifestyle.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a lot of those weird guys that are like motivational speakers.
And they motivate you to come to their seminars.
And they make a fuckload of money from your job.
And you're like, wait a minute.
crash hoefler
I thought you had a boat.
You're out fishing.
What's going on?
It seems like you're still hanging out here at this place.
This is a bummer in here.
I can hardly wait to leave.
This is your day.
You're getting...
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not the best way to live life for me.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I'm glad someone's doing it.
They have to do it.
If no one was doing it, we would not have Apple computers.
You would not have Samsung phones.
You would not have Audi cars.
You wouldn't have these things if somebody wasn't out there busting their ass every day in an office.
crash hoefler
People like it.
Some people are suited for that type of a lifestyle.
joe rogan
So maybe if we reach too many people with this message of get your shit together, it would be terrible for civilization as a whole.
unidentified
Overall.
joe rogan
Maybe this would weaken us and the Chinese would take over.
This could be it.
crash hoefler
This could be the determining factor for that.
joe rogan
We're fucking it up.
We're fucking it up with these goddamn isolation tanks and these medical marijuana dispensaries.
crash hoefler
Oh, those are horrible too, man.
joe rogan
Everybody's reconnecting with nature.
They don't want to live our unnatural life.
How are you going to continue to build these buildings and launch these missiles if we don't continue to live our unnatural life?
The more we tune into the natural life, the more we see how ridiculous it is.
unidentified
The more we wake up It's coming our way.
crash hoefler
I think that people are coming around right now.
It's happening.
I think it is.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
crash hoefler
If you look at it, America is important.
Even though I don't have a flag or nothing like that, but it's where we live and it's kind of like where we're from and it's sort of like what we're supposed to be proud about.
I'm from here, and I'm really glad about that because where it is and the way they operate, I go along with that.
But it's gotten too far now, in my opinion, which is, you know, everybody's wrong.
It needs to get to where the people actually get an overview again, where they start to evaluate situations and then make correct decisions based on now.
Instead of these prehistoric versions of what's got us to hear need to be, hopefully at some point, let go with and get a new evaluation that pertains to where we're at now in the world.
What can we do now to get along with people?
How can we work together?
Even if these military...
I think that we sell a lot of guns in this country in pharmaceuticals.
So you say, oh, I don't think we're going to get out of the bomb business because it's our business.
So we have to figure out how to get these guys working, doing something good.
So we don't say, oh, all your jobs are gone now.
Figure out how we could go in and do stuff together, use our money and our resources to create situations that are beneficial for people.
They're not...
We're not going to make friends by shooting at people.
We all know that.
I mean, this is some kind of a fictitious concept that we can go over and make people happy by killing them.
joe rogan
Well, the concept of war being for financial benefit is still pretty alien to a lot of folks.
They don't believe it.
They don't believe that that's why wars are started.
crash hoefler
Where's our money at?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, all you'd have to consider is how much benefit there could have been done I mean, if you're really a pro-America person and you really are a patriot, think about what a benefit it would have been to America to take a lot of that money that went to this crazy war that no one believes in anymore and try to clean up inner cities.
Try to fix Chicago.
Try to fix...
Fix the border towns.
Try to help Mexico.
How fun would that be?
We have a dangerous situation like 100 miles from us.
I mean, what the fuck is that?
How far is it to San Diego?
Two hours.
So what is that?
120 miles?
Something like that?
brian redban
240, I think.
crash hoefler
We're in our neighborhood.
joe rogan
How fast are you going, bitch?
You're not going 130 miles an hour, you fucking retard.
140. 140?
140 miles?
brian redban
Something like that.
joe rogan
Okay, so 70 miles an hour for two hours.
That's Mexico.
That's crazy.
It's a two-hour drive to a third-world country that's in turmoil, and we don't do a goddamn thing about it, and we're sending people to some place that's so far removed from us that just coincidentally happens to have oil.
That's not why we're here.
That is not why we're here, Mr. Crash.
We're here to fix things.
crash hoefler
The oil thing is a funny one.
joe rogan
We've got a mess over here.
We have all these people that killed people in New York City from Saudi Arabia, but we need to get over here and over here.
crash hoefler
Do you know what I don't believe?
That oil is fossil fuel.
They say, oh, it's from a fossil.
They think, oh, I got fossils.
They're rocks.
You know what I mean?
There's pressure under the ground.
So in other words, there used to be the same dinosaurs out in the middle of the ocean.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think they think it's dinosaurs anymore.
I think they think it's rotten plankton.
crash hoefler
Yeah, up at the top of the frozen Alps and at the bottom of the ocean and over here in the desert.
And everywhere at one time there was plankton all over now or whatever to make these gigantic puddles of this stuff that we're pumping out for some reason.
And then you step back and say, what are those guys doing down there?
Well, you know, they're pumping the stuff out of there, the oil they call it, and they turn it into a plastic material that litters the planet, they can't get rid of it.
Or they take it and then they burn it into the atmosphere and poison themselves.
And then what they do, they spend all their money to fight amongst each other to see who gets control of it.
And you're thinking, this whole stuff isn't really that necessary, it could be done without.
Back to the hemp again.
Look at that hemp and what it has to offer, comparatively speaking.
joe rogan
Well, it's just too difficult to control.
You know, there was a book on the process of oil being developed that they were trying to speculate somehow or another that it was developed through a natural process in the earth.
And they were saying that our ideas of it were incorrect.
But I don't think it was well received.
I have the book.
I never read it.
I bought it and I was like, I'm going to read that one day.
And it just sat there.
I never fucking read it.
I just couldn't get behind it.
It just seemed...
It seemed kind of goofy that anybody...
Wouldn't have figured that out by now.
crash hoefler
Exactly!
I mean, you're going, wow!
That thing about the planets, too, how they're supposed to be circularized in the Earth, what, the Sun?
Let's say the Sun's moving, right?
So it's going this way.
So now they have us believe, although the planets are circling the Sun, I think that this makes more sense to me, and there's other, you know, this isn't my thought, but somebody showed, oh, yeah, that makes sense.
Say the Sun is going this way.
Well, what makes us think we're not in rotation in a vortex being pulled by the Sun going somewhere?
I think we're on a trip, man.
We're going somewhere.
We started off where?
Where was the sun 100 years ago?
Where's it at now?
And then where are we going to be later on?
I believe the sun is pulling us through space and we're in...
joe rogan
Well, that's not a belief.
That's a fact.
That's absolutely what's happening.
The whole galaxy is moving.
Yeah, no, this is something that astrophysicists have figured out a while ago.
It's that the whole universe is kind of moving.
crash hoefler
That's that expansion thing.
I think we're going...
joe rogan
Our galaxy's moving.
crash hoefler
I think we're going in a direction somewhere.
I think that if we figured out, where's the sun?
And where is it off to?
I think we're behind it.
I think that we're following it in...
This is the way the rotation is.
I don't know which way is up or down in here.
Where's the north, south?
joe rogan
I think that is exactly how it's supposed to be described.
I think as it goes, you know, we're circling around it.
crash hoefler
I think we're going around this way.
joe rogan
I don't know.
I'm too fucking stupid.
crash hoefler
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't understand it at all.
I mean, when I watch those scientific documentaries on space, it's one of the most fascinating things ever.
And most fascinating so that it's so rarely brought up in regular conversation.
crash hoefler
That's where some of this money should go, into expansion of the reality situation we're in here.
We have this and that we can think about now.
Get these scientists.
Tell them to put the phone down, first off.
joe rogan
Put their phone down.
crash hoefler
Enough on the phone.
It's a Geiger counter.
It's a wind designer.
It tells you the name of the tune that's on.
It's like, okay, it's a phone.
Nobody answers it, which is what really freaks me out, man.
I got to call everybody at night and say, hey, don't forget to come down tomorrow.
I know you made an appointment, but I'm convinced that you're not going to be able to remember it.
So I'm calling you now to say, oh, hey, don't forget.
And then I get 20% people answer the phone and say, oh, yeah, no problem, got it.
The other 80% is me leaving a message, you know, which...
I can't stand leaving a message, but I'm thinking they got it in their hand.
They got it right here.
How aren't they answering the phone?
It's a phone.
Hello?
joe rogan
Yeah, but don't you think it's good that there's all these capabilities that these things have?
Smartphones?
crash hoefler
I think it's good that other people have them.
joe rogan
You could check out an email link that somebody sends you.
You don't think that's good?
crash hoefler
I think it's good for, you know, people that want to do that.
joe rogan
Oh, I think it's good.
I think it's good.
I just think the problem is overuse.
The problem is overuse of anything, though.
It's overuse of softball.
If you just became a fucking softball junkie, and you're out there on the field every day, throwing that ball in the air, hitting them by yourself into a tree, and people are like, what is Tom doing?
Can't wait for that fucking game on Sunday.
Like, Jesus Christ, Tom, you got a family, you got a wife at home, get home.
You know, you're obsessing.
You're freaking people out, man.
I think that's bad, too.
But I think the phone in moderation is a beautiful thing.
crash hoefler
It's been amazing how much scientific advancements they've done on a phone in the past how many years?
If they put that kind of brain power into anything, we're driving the same car almost.
I guess the Tesla's got a pretty new thing, some kind of motorizer.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's pretty similar to the cars that we had.
I was just talking with a friend last night about how, like, the cars of 10 years ago, when I was a kid, when I was in high school, I was in high school, I was 14 in 1984, that's when I was in high, or 1981, when I was in high school.
There was a 1970 Chevelle that this kid had that was in my school.
And I guess he was like maybe two years older than me, so he might have been like 16. But he had this 1970 Chevelle, and everybody was like, holy shit.
Look at that.
It was a classic.
It's a 70 Chevelle SS. SS 396. Well, think about it.
That's only 11 years old.
It's only 11 years old.
Like, how is a car 11 years old like a classic back then?
But an 11-year-old car today...
It's like, you know, it's not that big of a deal.
You know, if you got a hold of a, would that be a 2003?
A 2003 car?
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's like, that's a modern car.
Like, what happened?
How'd that happen?
crash hoefler
Dropped the ball.
joe rogan
Something happened.
They might have hit, like, some sort of technological...
They're constantly pushing the boundaries as far as, like, the speed that cars can go and the G-forces that they can handle.
And, like, they get, like, their track times get a little bit better every year with their sports cars.
But for the average regular car, like, at a certain point in time, what else can you improve?
You can add some electronics.
crash hoefler
Did you see those road blocks that were up there?
Those people, they got that road...
They made those tiles that light up.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, yeah, the solar road panels.
crash hoefler
Man, is that an incredible idea.
It lights the city up like Tron and stuff, and they're collecting energy in the car.
joe rogan
And that could totally be implemented too.
Apparently that's completely realistic.
It's crazy.
crash hoefler
We're there already.
We just have to get somebody to say, you know, a hike.
joe rogan
Do you know how weird city streets look?
Can you imagine if you lived in the time before electricity and then someone brought you to New York City, Times Square, Saturday night, and you're walking through and you see all these lights and all this craziness and the cars with the lights and you're like, holy shit, I can't believe this.
That would be like a really intense sort of a change.
But I wonder if it would be as intense as all the roads being lit.
All the roads being lit.
To us right now, that might be like, we might not be able to, we might have to address the fact that we live in the future.
We might all collectively just go, what the fuck are we doing?
Look what we're doing.
We have solar-powered roads.
crash hoefler
That's progress.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
crash hoefler
They're not breaking down.
They have alternative purposes.
They're not only to drive on, but they have other information.
They change.
joe rogan
It would be so strange, though, the way it would alter our world.
Like, our vision of the world would look totally different.
If Hong Kong was lit up with those kind of stuff, I wonder what the effect would be.
I feel like it would make people more festive.
Or where?
crash hoefler
I mean, you're driving out on this road already.
These cars are just trying to tune yourself out because it's such a tedious process to get from point A to point B in a car.
It's gray, and there's other people jammed up in there, and the speed's not what you like or whatever.
So it's kind of a...
The transportation, I think they've got some room to improve on that for us.
If they put the phone down.
joe rogan
Yeah, if they put the phone down.
I think the phone is helping them communicate, though.
crash hoefler
Maybe they can use the phone to make the cars.
joe rogan
Yeah, this is the roadways.
These are the sole roadways.
crash hoefler
There's that guy, Zach.
He was over the other day.
So we looked him up.
He's on the Silicon Valley show or something.
He's a funny guy, but anyway.
What I wanted to see was the show, Silicon Valley.
I've never seen the show.
joe rogan
It's a funny show.
It's on HBO. I only watched one episode, but it was really funny.
crash hoefler
We brought it up, and there he was, and the car came to pick him up.
He looks in there, and he's like, oh, you got in the car, there's nobody in there.
And he says, oh yeah, I'm going to wherever it was.
And then the car took off.
It was all by itself, driving it, you know.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, they're going to have that.
I mean, they essentially have that now, the Google Cars, where they're experimenting with it, and they haven't had any accidents.
None of the accidents that they've been involved with have been the Google Cars' fault.
I think a few people have bumped into them.
crash hoefler
Jump out in front of them or...
joe rogan
No, no, none of that.
They haven't hit anything.
But they apparently have radar.
They can sense when things are in front of you.
I mean, you've seen that on cars.
When you get close to the car in front of you, it'll make like a beep, beep, beep, beep.
I rented a car this weekend.
It does it.
crash hoefler
They park themselves now, some cars.
joe rogan
Yes, they can parallel park themselves.
crash hoefler
Parallel parking itself, which is...
joe rogan
Ridonkulous.
Like, they just decided, you motherfuckers are too stupid to do this.
We have to help you.
crash hoefler
Excellent.
This is where I want the money for my car that I'm going to buy to be invested in the ability of it to then park itself.
joe rogan
But you know what?
There's a thing that's going on right now where people are trying to go retro with a lot of shit.
Because there's a lot of people that like old cars now.
There's a lot of people that like refurbished things.
Because they don't want all of that interference.
They don't want all of that disconnect between them and an actual machine.
crash hoefler
We could work on it.
You're a car guy.
You look under a car lid now, you're looking under there, and you're going, what is under here now?
joe rogan
You can't do shit with that, son.
crash hoefler
Is this the trunk, or is the motor in here?
I don't even know which side is which on this thing yet, you know?
joe rogan
If you could pop the hood of a 1970 Chevelle, you could get in there, man.
crash hoefler
Work on it.
joe rogan
The distributor cap.
It's right there.
You can grab it with your hand.
There's your oil filter.
You can hold on to it.
There's the dipstick.
You can see how much oil is in there with a stick.
Now you've got computers.
You have to run it and shut it off.
crash hoefler
It's your guy.
You have to have a guy.
joe rogan
You have to have a guy.
And the thing, a computer can go wacky on you, too.
That also can happen.
That happens occasionally.
I mean, obviously there's a mechanical breakdown too, but computers can go wacky.
crash hoefler
So that's your guy's guy.
After you get a guy, then he has to have a guy say, hey, uh-oh, my stuff isn't correctly working.
joe rogan
But on the flip side, you have navigation screens, you have backup cameras, you have all this cool shit that electronics provide too.
I see both sides of it, but I do see the appeal of driving an old VW Bug.
Like a VW Bug from 1970. Not much horsepower or anything, but man, what a connection you have to the road with that piece of shit.
It's not good at handling, it doesn't have good brakes, but when you see one, there's a little bit of envy.
crash hoefler
You're actually driving it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I wish I could drive one of those.
crash hoefler
You're participating in the project.
joe rogan
My friend Jimmy had one when we were in high school.
I was an idiot.
I always had muscle cars.
And my friend Jimmy had this VW bug.
And it was like, you know, like I said, this was right out of high school.
So I graduated in 85 and Jimmy was ahead of me.
And so I think that it was probably like 1986 or something along those lines.
And he had this 1960-something bug, like 69 bug.
I forget.
Ugly, light blue.
But it was great.
There was something cool about it.
It was like we had a big smile on our face when we were driving around in it.
There was something about...
First of all, he's a pretty macho guy and is a construction worker.
He's just a really smart dude, too, though.
So he got himself a fucking VW Bug.
He's like, it gets great gas mileage.
Like, the wind would blow and the car would move.
Like, you could feel the car moving if a good breeze hit it.
Like, your fucking car is moving from the wind, man!
Like, what do we do?
We're gonna go-kart!
crash hoefler
Yeah, they do handle better now cars.
joe rogan
Oh, that's the understatement of the year.
brian redban
Brakes are amazing.
I'm surprised by a brake.
I had to stop from like 65 to 0 on the freeway the other day and it just was like butter.
joe rogan
You have that sweet new Volkswagen.
That's like perfect.
I forgot you had that.
that perfect contrast to the volkswagen that we were talking about because my friend jimmy's volkswagen was like super old school like that lawnmower engine it sounds like a lawnmower or sewing machine yeah oh yeah you'd have to pump the brakes but it was like a really light tiny car whereas the new one like we're saying looks like a like a fat porsche yeah it looks like uh like some sort of a spaceship like an audi or something like that huh the new vw bug is pretty dope looking yeah they pretty much redesigned it for guys and they got rid of all the girl shit in it like that
the flower pots and shit like that that used to be in the old ones like yeah more ones that look like bubbles and it's a perfect example of a car that like shows the improvement of today's cars because the the performance and handling of a vw bug is better than like a 1970 porsche if you got a porsche from 1970 those bitches had like skinny ass steering wheels that were big like hula hoops and you had shitty ass skinny tires like They didn't handle that well.
They just weren't that good.
In comparison to what your car could do, if you brought your car back in time, like when they had the 1969 Porsche, and you showed them your car, they'd be fucking blowing you.
They'd be like, you're a wizard from the future!
brian redban
Yeah, this is a 2014 turbo.
I have this car, but the...
joe rogan
Doesn't it have, like, 250 horsepower or something like that?
brian redban
Yeah, they just put a new engine in it.
I forget what exactly it is.
joe rogan
They're fast-fucking cars.
brian redban
Fast as fuck, yeah.
joe rogan
Like, that was a big deal.
I mean, that would be a little bit heavier than an old Porsche, for sure.
But if you could get that kind of horsepower in an old car, I mean, that's ridiculous.
Like, they have these new Mustangs, the Mustang GT, the new one that's out.
Just a straight Mustang GT has, like, 450 fucking horsepower or something crazy like that.
crash hoefler
They're selling that to people, huh?
joe rogan
Oh yeah, but that's like their basic car.
Then they have a Shelby that comes out later that's going to have more than 600 horsepower.
That wasn't accessible back in 1970. There should be a place to go drive these things.
crash hoefler
Say, hey, look, we've got a place you can go drive it.
joe rogan
To get something even remotely as fast in 1970, you had a special order shit.
You had to go to a mechanic.
You had to find some dude who knows how to put nitrous on a car.
But now you can just buy it.
crash hoefler
Weird, huh?
How they allow people to have something like that?
joe rogan
Well, it's just a faction of what we're doing.
A faction of this continual improvement.
It's a process, and it's a product of those things.
It's a product of this continual improvement, and it's a product of our constant desire for new shit.
We want the car that does 0 to 60 in 3.4.
Because the car that does 0-60 in 3.6 is outdated.
You look at the specs.
Oh, this car went around the Nürburgring in 7 minutes and 25 seconds.
People freak out.
They go, I can't believe that.
My car does it in 7.40.
My car is a piece of shit.
You're like, asshole, you're not going around the Nürburgring.
Like, what are you doing, man?
Like, if you drove my friend Jimmy's VW Bug, that might make you feel better than driving some ridiculous car that goes zero to 60 in two seconds and corners at two Gs.
crash hoefler
Where do you drive it at, though?
joe rogan
Well, it's a certain part of that you lose the fun.
There's like a fun in driving.
You know, there's a guy named Dario Franchitti, I think you say his name.
He's a race car driver.
His fun car to drive is a 1973 Porsche with a big engine in it.
He put a more modern engine in a 1973 Porsche.
He could get a Veyron or any of these super complicated cars they're making today.
But a guy who's an actual race car driver decided to go for the gritty feel of an old car combined with modern technology.
He's a very smart guy.
He's like, all these 0-60 times, he goes, yes, it's important when you're race car driving, but not for the pleasure of driving.
So that's the guy I listen to.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that's the guy.
He does it for a living.
So if he chooses to drive, like, an old car that, like, really, you really feel everything, that's probably the most pleasurable.
crash hoefler
Got a lot of merit.
joe rogan
Yeah, we, like, passed the pleasurable point and went to some weird numb point with cars where the ceiling's like this and you don't feel any of the bumps, you know?
It's weird.
crash hoefler
Yeah, it's not organic, you know?
joe rogan
Yes.
crash hoefler
It's kind of...
joe rogan
Not organic.
It's not very Mumford& Sons.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's not very...
Yeah, that's the trend today.
The trend today is to go with like a handmade clock.
You know, like, oh, see that clock?
It was handmade.
And people are like, ooh.
You know, there's something cool about that as opposed to like, if you lived in 1970 and you got a digital clock, you were the pimp of the year.
Like, this guy has a digital clock in his house.
Look at this shit.
You go over a dude's house and he had digital alarm clock.
You'd be like, this motherfucker's got a digital alarm clock.
And it was as big as a microwave oven.
crash hoefler
Red lights on it.
LED. Yeah.
Red.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I remember going over people's houses and they had that.
I couldn't believe I was looking at it.
I was looking into lights.
crash hoefler
Then it came in a watch.
joe rogan
Yeah.
crash hoefler
The first thing you got the clock in your house and then you put it on your hand.
joe rogan
That watch is pimped.
643. Horrific.
crash hoefler
That's what people say.
Hey, what time is it?
Oh, it's 760, you know.
joe rogan
And remember the batteries were such dog shit that you had to press it to find the time.
And then you'd let it go and the fucking time would go, bye!
It didn't just stay on because the batteries were dog shit back then.
If it was going to stay on, it would have to be like a foot thick.
crash hoefler
The battery for that back then.
joe rogan
I mean, the batteries were just dog shit back then.
crash hoefler
I never thought about that.
joe rogan
Remember the calculator watch?
For some reason, that one never took off.
It took off, and it got to a certain point, and people were like, wait, wait, wait, wait, what the?
How often am I counting shit?
unidentified
Who is this for?
crash hoefler
They got the calculator phone now.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's a, your phone is kind of a computer.
That's a one device choice.
unidentified
One thing, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, you're better off with a compass.
What if you get lost, and all you got is a fucking calculator, bitch?
A fork or something.
Calculator's not going to help you if you're lost in the woods.
crash hoefler
Boy, yeah.
joe rogan
Have something that makes fire.
Why do you got a fucking calculator on that?
crash hoefler
Let's put not that as our first development here.
joe rogan
And it's also, the calculator watch was invented with calculators.
We're only like that big.
Like, I mean, what the fuck are you doing?
How often is that coming up?
Except, this is the one thing that I know people are probably yelling at me right now, except people cheating in school.
I bet there was a window.
I bet there was a small window where teachers are still fucking old people who are out of touch with modern technology in a lot of ways.
So there's probably a window where these young little rascals went in there with their technological wizard phones with calculators on, and they probably...
brian redban
I remember doing that.
Totally doing that.
joe rogan
How long was it before they were made illegal?
Do you remember that?
brian redban
I don't think they ever really were.
I don't think they ever actually caught on because you were always allowed to use calculators to cheat in school.
There was those big TI-81 Texas Instrument ones that you had to buy.
Remember those huge calculators?
There was a note field where you could just sit there and write all these answers to questions in the calculator.
And the teachers never caught on for us on that.
Everyone would open up their calculators and look at our notes on their calculators.
joe rogan
Oh, no.
That's hilarious.
So it was like a note function on a smartphone.
brian redban
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
brian redban
It was.
It was like the beginning of that.
But I remember calculator watches, we had them, and I don't ever remember being told not to wear it.
I don't think the...
Even the math teachers even figured it out.
joe rogan
Well, let's Google that to find out.
Because I would think that the only way to get good at math, if you're going to really get good at math, is you have to actually do it.
crash hoefler
Yeah, math is something that's fun to do.
brian redban
English is terrible.
joe rogan
Okay, you just lost all credibility.
unidentified
I don't know who you are and what you just said.
crash hoefler
I like it, because it's always the same way.
Two plus two is always four.
The spelling is terrible.
brian redban
Yeah, but then you start getting into triangles and shit.
Who needs that?
crash hoefler
Well, that's specialized mathematical.
joe rogan
That's all that I care about.
I care about the math that's like Harry Potter science.
Like those guys.
The quantum.
The quantum.
Deep into the quantum consciousness.
I like those guys that say shit that I can't understand at all.
I love when they're talking that kind of math.
When they show me those mathematical computations and you just go, what?
Is that an alien language?
Like, what is that?
I have no idea what that is.
crash hoefler
Those guys fascinate me the There's a cartoon where they're all looking at that.
There's a big formula on the chalkboard or whatever.
And they're going, ah, ha, ha, ha.
Because there's humor somewhere.
There was the joke in the formula that a regular person's not going to...
It's not funny, you know?
brian redban
Joe, do you remember Glacier?
I think they're called Glacier Glasses.
They were out around the same time.
They were like...
Circle glasses, but then they had this little leather piece that went on the side, and then the arms were made out of rubber.
And they were really popular for two years in the early 80s.
joe rogan
I missed that.
I didn't hang out with any of those people.
Look at Google Calculator Watch, man.
It's actually pretty trippy.
They came out with one in 1975, man.
Isn't that nuts?
brian redban
I had one in the early 80s.
joe rogan
Calculated watch were first introduced in the 1970s, and despite enjoying a heyday during the 1980s, continued to be produced.
The most notable brand is Casio Databank Series.
The watches by Timex were also popular.
There's a Wikipedia, but Brian, there's a Wikipedia where you can see all the old ones.
It's a trip, man.
It's really fascinating.
Like, I forgot how silly these things were.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Look at those.
Well, look at the one down.
Look at the one even further down.
Look at that thing.
crash hoefler
How do you get your finger on one of those buttons?
brian redban
I don't remember that at all.
joe rogan
I don't remember that at all, but that is the future, man.
If you had one of those, you could totally get Star Wars chicks.
brian redban
I think I had this one.
joe rogan
Chicks that are, like, really into Star Wars, they would think you were so cool.
unidentified
He's got a fucking calculator on his wrist.
joe rogan
It's so future.
It's so space.
Yeah, that didn't work out.
We didn't give a fuck anymore.
Now people went back to dials, you know?
Like if your car is fancy, your car has an old school clock on it.
Like if you buy a Lexus or something like that, they'll have like a nice clock in it.
With a second hand?
Yeah, and it's to show you this is a luxury item, sir.
There's no digital clocks in here, sir.
This is a luxury item.
Isn't it just a thing that tells the time?
Like, what the fuck's going on here?
Something's going on here.
If you have a TikTok, TikTok, TikTok, it's fancy.
See this?
This is fancy.
This is fancy.
crash hoefler
You can't hear it.
joe rogan
This is how I know what time we're at.
crash hoefler
It's accurate.
joe rogan
I don't look at my computer.
Go away.
crash hoefler
Yeah, the computer.
joe rogan
Your digital numbers, your exact numbers.
I like looking at a little fancy clock.
crash hoefler
It's got a quartz crystal in there, too, right?
joe rogan
I don't know what's in there.
I got that shit at Target.
crash hoefler
Still going.
joe rogan
I don't know what it is.
It's just a clock.
But I like looking at a clock for whatever reason.
It gives me a better sense of what time is than when I look at a number.
When I look at numbers, and it's totally illogical, but I look at this number on my computer, the upper right-hand corner of my computer, and then I look at that.
That's more pleasurable to me for whatever reason.
crash hoefler
That's an interesting evaluation.
joe rogan
I think I have a more natural sense of what time is.
crash hoefler
It's kind of an analog thing.
You know the way analog is better than tape, too?
You listen to recordings and so forth like that.
A lot of times...
It used to record in analog, and then when the digital came out, then what they would do is go analog, digital, and then back to analog to try to mix this stuff up to where it sounds.
joe rogan
And I fully understand that for some folks it's the opposite.
Some folks, they don't like that.
That's not pleasing to them, but they love the numbers.
I mean, it's all different.
It's just me, personally.
That's how I always feel.
I would way rather look at...
I think clocks are kind of cool.
Whenever I look at a watch, Part of me goes, oh, that's a cool-looking watch.
The other part of me instantaneously goes, it is so goddamn fascinating.
There's a bunch of moving parts in there.
crash hoefler
Amazing.
joe rogan
That spin and...
I'm not a fan of expensive watches.
I think some of them look really cool, but it's not something that I'm really into because they seem to me like peacock feathers a little bit.
But what I am a fan of is the engineering behind those watches.
I'm a fan of...
My watch is not an expensive watch at all.
But at nighttime, it kind of glows.
I can see the hand very clearly at nighttime.
crash hoefler
That's a good feature.
joe rogan
It's a fantastic feature.
It doesn't require a battery to do that either.
It doesn't run on any extra thing you have to do, press a button or anything.
You can always see it.
But I'm fascinated by that.
I'm fascinated by the engineering involved in it.
But I think for a lot of guys, they wear...
And I'm not criticizing.
They look cool as fuck, but it seems very kind of peacocky.
You know, when dudes have like diamonds all over their watch and, you know, diamonds on their thing.
crash hoefler
My buddy collects watches.
He's showing me a watch.
joe rogan
They're cool.
crash hoefler
$36,000 for a watch.
I was looking at it going, oh man, you know.
joe rogan
I met a guy that had one in Toronto.
I think it was like more than $100,000.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm trying to remember.
He owned like a company that imports them.
Very, very nice guy.
crash hoefler
Well, see, he loves watches.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
crash hoefler
There's people that are into collecting watches, you know, and they're very matter-of-fact about their watches.
You know, they say, oh, this is a Hamilton from, you know, and there's a, they have a, it's like cars.
joe rogan
Yeah.
crash hoefler
And watches are another quality, you know, like a good watch, like you said, it's Swiss engineering, it's a piece of stuff that lasts, you know?
It's not a piece of junk that's disposable.
You get a piece of quality, it's a watch, and it's got a lot of work put into it, and it's something you'll have forever.
And I like that in stuff.
joe rogan
Electronics probably have the quickest turnaround as far as like when they kind of go on you.
Like I've never had a computer last more than five years.
But I've had watches that last like 20 years.
I have a watch that's 20 years old.
Yeah, it's 20 years old.
crash hoefler
People got their grandfathers.
joe rogan
It's not expensive either.
It's just a regular watch.
brian redban
When my battery dies, I just buy a new watch.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean you can totally do that.
You can put another battery in that watch.
crash hoefler
You buy a new watch, you said?
brian redban
Yeah, every time there's a battery dies, I'm just like, I'm just going to do a watch.
crash hoefler
Bic is the one that did that to us.
They started the lighter, you throw it out.
Then they got the shaver, you throw it out.
Then, what was the other thing?
Pen, you throw it out.
Remember that?
It was all Bic.
Bic started with the throwaway stuff.
And then now, it's like the phone goes down, you throw it out.
The TV goes out, you throw it out.
Anything goes out, you throw it out.
joe rogan
Yeah, we should really reevaluate that whole throwing out plastic shit.
You see all the plastic that's in the ocean and all these photographs of these birds that have been feeding plastics to their babies and their babies die and you see that their bellies are filled with plastics.
brian redban
You know what's fucking shit up lately?
It's those facial cleaners that have the little beads in them.
They're just these tiny little plastic beads.
I guess they're fucking up the water.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're not biodegradable, those things.
They're scrubs.
And you know what?
They don't need to use those scrubs.
You can use seeds.
There's seeds that you can get, like an apricot facial scrub.
It's an apricot seed.
And it's just as good, and it's biodegradable.
All these little plastic things, like...
It's unfortunate, man, but a lot of that...
Oh, are those those goggles?
brian redban
Remember those glasses?
joe rogan
I do not.
brian redban
I remember having my calculator watch, and these glasses were really popular.
They were called something also like...
joe rogan
Douchebag.
brian redban
Google glasses.
crash hoefler
That was a guy who wore them in Stargate or something?
brian redban
Something like that.
crash hoefler
Richard Dean.
joe rogan
Maybe.
brian redban
They had leather on the glasses.
It was like that, and then your cars had bras on them.
It's just like we had this weird leather...
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
You remember the bras?
brian redban
We should bring that back.
joe rogan
Bro, I think some people still do it, man.
I saw a guy with a Corvette the other day.
He had a bra on the Corvette.
I was like, wow, you're rocking a bra on your Corvette.
It was an old Corvette.
crash hoefler
It wasn't real leather, though, was it?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I didn't ask.
That's a can of worms you don't really want to open up.
brian redban
Is that real leather?
I had a bra on my Supra.
Of course not.
That was the shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think I had a bra once, but I think I got rid of it pretty quickly.
I was like, what is this stupid fucking thing?
What am I doing here?
brian redban
That's what I'm saying.
There was a weird time in the 80s that the leather...
Like, there was no reason to have leather on you.
Like, look at the big chunks of leather on your glasses.
joe rogan
Well, I guess the idea is that you want something soft that doesn't take light in from the sides.
But that would also fuck up your peripheral and make you very susceptible to hooks.
brian redban
Yeah.
crash hoefler
They should bring back the plastic covering for the couches.
Now, that was...
joe rogan
Oh, that was a dream!
unidentified
That was great!
joe rogan
That was a dream when people, you go over to their house and it was covered with clear plastic.
crash hoefler
You sit down, it's a grandma's house.
joe rogan
How ridiculous is that?
Everyone wanted to keep things for so long that they never enjoyed them when they had them.
brian redban
Because shit wasn't disposable.
joe rogan
That's amazing.
crash hoefler
You come in there, the mom's telling you, hey, you can't walk in that room.
It's all this way or that.
joe rogan
Some people still have towels like that.
You're not supposed to use those towels.
unidentified
Soaps?
joe rogan
Get them out of here!
crash hoefler
They put those little soaps in the bathroom.
unidentified
Fucking towels.
crash hoefler
Oh, you didn't use the apple soap there, the little frog that was there?
unidentified
Yeah.
crash hoefler
How could you do that?
joe rogan
What?
You guys are freaks.
Your bathroom is for freaks.
crash hoefler
It's a prop.
joe rogan
Go to the doctor.
crash hoefler
It's a prop.
Oh, you've been messing with the bathroom props in here, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're trying to paint some sort of a crazy environment.
crash hoefler
The Cleaver, what was her name?
Joan Cleaver.
What was Miss Cleaver's name?
brian redban
Judy Cleaver?
joe rogan
I don't remember.
crash hoefler
It was Ward.
joe rogan
Ward was the daddy.
crash hoefler
June, was it June?
joe rogan
June?
Was it June?
crash hoefler
What's Mrs. Cleaver's name?
Wasn't she the best?
Barbara Billingsley, I think.
joe rogan
Okay, June Cleaver?
crash hoefler
I think it was her name.
joe rogan
I think you're right.
crash hoefler
Remember Eddie Haskell?
joe rogan
I remember Eddie Haskell.
Yeah, it was June Cleaver.
crash hoefler
She was wonderful.
joe rogan
What a crazy fucking show.
Can you imagine that there's a show that they made and it's called Leave It to Beaver?
And it was an actual show, and the kid's name was Beaver.
And at what point in time did they realize that that means pussy?
Was it like, it started in the 1950s, right?
So what, you know, first appearance was, it was a pilot that they made in 1957. So when did Beaver become, when did it become a vagina?
Was that the 70s, you think?
brian redban
I don't know.
Maybe that's because everyone thought Beaver was just a pussy.
And so they just put it together.
Because he played like a pussy character.
You know, Beaver was always getting beat up.
joe rogan
He wasn't a savage.
crash hoefler
I thought it was because of his teeth or something.
I thought he had like a beaver facial look or something.
joe rogan
Hmm.
crash hoefler
Maybe.
I don't know.
unidentified
Really?
crash hoefler
Yeah.
This thing they do now, I really can't stand.
joe rogan
Like they named it after the kid?
crash hoefler
His teeth or something?
A beaver?
I don't know.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
crash hoefler
How's the beaver?
How do they call him the beave?
Where did that come from?
joe rogan
I think that was just his nickname.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
But I mean, how did he get it?
What did they say?
Oh, you smell bad or what?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, they lived in a time before the internet.
brian redban
It looks like it was a slang term from the 1910 England.
joe rogan
Have you ever tried to watch that?
You ever tried to watch Leave it to Beaver?
brian redban
I grew up on it.
joe rogan
Look, we can get back to isolation tank talk in a couple minutes.
We have plenty of time here, ladies and gentlemen.
But seeing as how we're in the flow of this, I would like to watch a little quick Leave it to Beaver episode just to see how ridiculous the world was in 1957. Even the opening when they have their house and it's all nice.
crash hoefler
What about Dennis the Menace?
Remember Mr. Wilson?
He was over there and he was like, oh, Dennis, you menace or whatever.
joe rogan
Gee, Mr. Wilson?
The way they used to talk to each other was so alien.
People hadn't figured out television yet.
They hadn't figured out how other people were going to perceive them.
There was a slow change where people recognized bullshit and they were allowed to do less and less of it.
And if you go back and you watch Father Knows Best, here it is.
unidentified
Yes, Mom.
brian redban
Oh, Beaver, I see you're home.
unidentified
Yes, Dad.
This is me that's home.
How was the movie?
Well, I didn't go to the movie.
You didn't go to the movie?
No, sir.
I went yesterday when I wasn't supposed to.
Oh, is that so?
Yes, sir.
And I won a racing bicycle to guarantee the other seat.
And I hit it at Larry's.
And I was going to make believe like I won it today.
joe rogan
But I couldn't.
unidentified
So that's why I'm telling you what happened.
Well, when did you decide to tell us about it?
When I was walking the bike home from Larry's.
Yeah, Dad.
It's too big for him to ride.
crash hoefler
No way.
joe rogan
Hilarious.
unidentified
Well, Beaver, I'm glad you decided to tell us the truth.
Of course you realize you can't keep a bicycle you won while you were being disobedient.
We'll have to find something to do with the bike.
joe rogan
What a dick.
Dad's a dick.
The kid came clean.
Let him keep the bike, Dad.
crash hoefler
Let him have the bike.
joe rogan
What kind of fucking lessons do you teach him?
crash hoefler
This is bullshit.
joe rogan
He didn't do anything illegal.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
No, I came forward and told him what the story was.
That's the kind of stuff that the kids now say, oh, I'm afraid to go tell Pop because he's going to take my bike away.
joe rogan
See, that's some 1957 type of psychology.
In 2014, I think they would say the best way to make this go away, or to make it never happen again, is to reward him with the bike.
To reward him and say, look, you did a good job by telling me.
In the future, you'd benefit much more from just doing what I tell you.
crash hoefler
In the beginning.
joe rogan
Don't be lying, bitch.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
Go ride your bike.
And then he thinks, Dad's cool.
Not Dad's some dick who's going to take my fucking lawfully one bike.
crash hoefler
Yeah, he won the bike.
I mean, that was a bad example.
joe rogan
God damn it, Dad.
crash hoefler
I thought this was going to be good stuff.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, it was good stuff.
crash hoefler
That was a bummer, man.
joe rogan
It was a bummer.
I love the word bummer.
I haven't heard that in a while.
Yeah, it is a bummer.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, it's, you know, it's 1957 Logic.
They just weren't that good at TV yet.
They didn't understand.
They didn't understand how it was coming off to other people.
Like, we just watched that.
It looks so ridiculous, right?
crash hoefler
Well, let's watch Mr. Ed.
You got that when you watch a horse talk to somebody?
unidentified
No, I can't.
joe rogan
I can't anymore.
We should go back to isolation times.
crash hoefler
It was a freaky time in television.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But it's indicative of this thing that I think we're experiencing.
This thing that everything is constantly improving and one of the best ways to see that improvement.
If you wanted to determine the age of a tree, you would chop the tree down and you'd look at the rings of the tree.
I think if you wanted to determine the progress of our culture in terms of, like, the rings on a tree, like, in that sort of a way, there's no better way to do it than to go back and look at the sections of our media.
Go back and look at, like, the Six Million Dollar Man.
You know, go back and look at the Fall Guy.
Go back and look at, you know, the Incredible Hulk.
Go back and look at, you know...
crash hoefler
The evolution of TV. Yeah, Dallas.
joe rogan
You know, watch old television.
Watch the Dukes of Hazzard.
Watch old television shows.
And then go back to Leave at the Beaver.
Go back to this shit.
Go back to this craziness that we're watching.
And then realize, like, whoa, there was, like, this weird steady progression up to X-Files and then, you know, Game of Thrones.
The media has improved.
It's a totally different organism.
The type of shows you see, if you watch a modern day episode of Game of Thrones, there's not a film that was made in the 1960s that could compare to that.
I don't get...
I think Stanley Kubrick was a genius.
I think 2000 West Base Odyssey was a marvel of cinema for the time.
But it can't fuck with what they have now on TV. Game of Thrones is one of the best movies of all time, and it's like 10 hours every season.
It's madness!
crash hoefler
Was it $4 million?
What's the cost on that?
joe rogan
I don't know.
crash hoefler
It's got to be expensive as fuck!
joe rogan
It's perfect.
It's a perfect show.
And my point being, if you try to compare Game of Thrones to Father Knows Best, it's insane.
It's hard to believe that these are made for the same organism.
crash hoefler
And yet it occupied the same amount of time of a person's interest.
joe rogan
Yes.
crash hoefler
This is how hard it's gotten to hold somebody's interest now.
joe rogan
I don't think it's that.
crash hoefler
You don't think it's it?
joe rogan
I think it's a continual improvement in the understanding of human beings.
And I think it takes something really intense to rattle us now.
It takes a true detective.
You can't just have a normal relationship like Bridges of Madison County.
Get the fuck out of here, Clint!
What are you doing?
You hanging out with this chick?
You guys are drama queens.
You don't have much time left.
Why are you crying?
Get out of there.
Go have a drink.
Get out of here.
crash hoefler
Stop!
joe rogan
This is nothing.
Meanwhile, you watch Game of Thrones.
There's fucking dragons.
There's these white walkers.
People are sword fighting in the middle of the night.
I love those white walkers.
I like the dragons.
How about the giants?
crash hoefler
Yeah, giants were great.
joe rogan
It's a madness show.
unidentified
I love that stuff.
joe rogan
Crazy shit is happening.
crash hoefler
Crazy stuff.
joe rogan
What the humans do to each other is so shocking.
And if you tried to watch Magnum P.I. after that, you'd be like, come on, man.
The world has changed.
We've gotten a much deeper understanding of what really freaks people out.
crash hoefler
And we require that to get freaked out.
joe rogan
Today's trolls, today's YouTube trolls, could start wars in the 1940s.
If you could send those guys back in time, like the really sophisticated trolls, the ones where you read their Twitter account and you could barely even tell if they're trolling, they're just so...
And then you watch some of the arguments they get into and you go, oh, this guy's an artist.
crash hoefler
I don't know what that is.
joe rogan
Trolling is, say, if somebody wanted to reach out to you, I should probably not tell you, trolls would get mad, like, What the fuck?
We got a fresh one!
We got a live one!
crash hoefler
They're not going to call me out.
joe rogan
It's not a call you out thing.
They would contact you in some sort of a way, either insulting you and trying to get you to respond to them or mockingly in love with you to try to get you to respond to them and then turn on you.
They would try to pretend that they were outraged about certain specific issues just to get a rise out of you.
Try to engage you as a game.
crash hoefler
There's a group of folks that are into that kind of stuff?
joe rogan
It's a sport.
crash hoefler
It's a sport, huh?
joe rogan
It is kind of a sport.
If you can get a good one on the line...
I've been gotten on the line before.
It's hilarious.
crash hoefler
Do they get you?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I've been gotten in arguments with people before and you realize, I don't even know you.
It's a joke.
It takes a lot of time to realize that because the internet is a new thing.
Interacting with people on the internet is what's been around.
Ten years?
crash hoefler
They'd probably steady your buttons, too.
They'd say, oh, say something like that.
You see what he does when you say that.
joe rogan
The longest people were interacting on the internet like this, in this sort of instantaneous Twitter-type comments or YouTube-type comments, it hasn't been more than a decade.
This is a new thing.
It's a new thing for people.
So people who like to get a rise out of people, if you can't do it at work, especially if you're stuck at a job that sucks and you have no means of expression of the evil inside you.
crash hoefler
I wonder, why doesn't people watch these videos and then say that?
Like with Hamilton.
They watch the video there and then they're comments.
joe rogan
Hamilton Morris?
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
Hamilton Morris, we owe him an apology.
I mean, why?
When that podcast was made, we both got way too high.
Brian and I got him.
We took him to the center of the earth.
brian redban
I just watched that this morning.
joe rogan
We took him to Mordor.
We had this weed that was grown on Pluto and came over here in a time capsule.
I don't know where we got that shit from.
Whose was that?
brian redban
I don't remember.
crash hoefler
Well, you didn't have to twist his arm.
joe rogan
Well, the thing is, we're there with Hamilton Morris, who is the psychedelic connoisseur.
crash hoefler
Yeah, that's what I heard.
joe rogan
So we went to the bottom of the swimming pool and fucking set up a picnic table.
I mean, we went deep.
It was rough, man.
I don't know what the fuck we're talking about.
Half the time we were in a conversation, we were like seven, eight hits in of some insane sativa.
And there was no way we should have been having a conversation in a podcast.
No way.
We were way too barbecued.
crash hoefler
It turned out okay.
joe rogan
It was not bad.
crash hoefler
No, it wasn't bad.
joe rogan
The interaction with him and the tank was better.
crash hoefler
The whole thing, you know.
joe rogan
But the comments were evil?
crash hoefler
Well, you know, even on some of these other ones you read and they say, oh, you know, this or that or this guy.
They're trying to make an assumption, you know, an evaluation about somebody they don't know anything about.
And the fact that you just spent your time Overviewing what it is they just did, and now you're going to be mean-spirited about it?
Why don't you just don't do it?
joe rogan
Just don't look.
crash hoefler
I didn't know these are these kind of cats that that's what they're up to, these trolls that they enjoy making...
getting a rise out of people, which is a bummer when you don't have a lot of time to get a...
because you're trying to get through life without as little of these, you know, infractions as possible so you can keep your mind in a positive, you know, format.
And then somebody's saying something mean or ugly about you and you're reading it and you're going, oh, shit, man, I wish that that didn't get said about me, you know?
joe rogan
Right.
I think there's a benefit to it, though.
I think there's a benefit to interacting with negative people, is that you understand that there are negative people out there.
Because if you don't interact with them on a regular basis, I don't think you'll appreciate the positive people as much.
I think that's just a weird aspect of human beings.
We get accustomed to whatever.
We get accustomed to all sorts of things that seem unacceptable.
Like, if you look at the things and customs that people carry on in other countries, there's certain...
Rites of passage for manhood that if you tried to implement today in the United States, like the weird shit that they do in Africa where they're circumcising each other with sharp sticks and they have to go crawl through thorn bushes naked, like a bunch of crazy shit they make these guys do.
And if you tried to implement that stuff in America today, we would laugh at you.
But to them, this is how they've done it.
This is how they've done it for a long time.
People get used to all sorts of weird shit.
I think a lot of people have gotten used to something that just rages against their sensibilities and it rages against their body.
It rages against their sensibilities because they've somehow or another committed themselves to a safe job that is not inspiring.
And they think that maybe if they just waited a little while or thought about it better, they could have eventually figured out how to do what they actually want to do.
And when you run into someone who has done that, then you see the benefit of it.
And it fucks with people's heads.
And I think there's a lot of people that live a life of regret.
crash hoefler
Bitter.
joe rogan
And it's super unfortunate.
And I think the way our society is structured currently, I don't see that changing anytime soon.
It just seems like so many people are rushing out.
To enter into the workforce because the economy is not so good so everybody's scrapping for jobs and they're willing to take jobs they might not have ordinarily taken because they want the security of it.
It's a very trying time for a lot of people.
But if you could figure out a way to separate on your own, you know, selling coffee mugs or fucking figuring something out, damn, you'll be so much better off.
crash hoefler
Well, it allows you to be more independent in your ability to provide for yourself.
If you could figure out something you can do, what I find to be a little bit discouraging is the lack of interest in manufacturing products.
This country used to be, like I say, really have a lot of pride in craftsmanship.
See, we still have a talent pool here.
We have a lot of creative people.
We have a lot of intelligent people.
We need to pull these people together and get back into manufacturing our own products here.
That's what I believe would be a good thing.
Get kids...
They took auto shop out of the school, I think.
I don't think they do the welding anymore in school.
Wood shop.
I don't know what they do in school.
joe rogan
A lot of schools don't.
A lot of schools don't have that anymore.
There's a lot of liability issues to those things, too.
They don't wood shop anymore?
I don't think it's very common.
crash hoefler
It's not something they teach kids how to use a hammer.
You go to school...
You should teach a kid how to work a hammer, a saw.
joe rogan
Well, I think, you know, this ebb and flow that we were talking about with technology and that people, some folks are kind of, like, bouncing back the other way and looking towards mechanical things and being in love with mechanical things.
I think that also is going to be said about working for big companies.
But I think that a lot of these people are going to get this feeling of, you know, like, man, I'm just lost in this sea of people, whereas I can...
Make kitchen knives.
I can make handmade kitchen knives in my garage over the weekend.
Start selling them, and then one day or another, eventually break through.
I got a website from Squarespace, and I put together this fucking knife collection, and now I'm selling them online, and now I'm independent.
crash hoefler
And this cook is using them on TV. Chef Luigi's endorsed my...
joe rogan
No, you don't want that shit.
You want some handmade, like there's a company, there's a couple companies that have sent me Crestrell knives, Crestrell knives and Vement knives.
And there are companies that did the exact same thing.
They just started making knives and started selling them.
They were into knives.
They loved the beauty of the construction of the knives.
Vement knife, they made me this fucking big, crazy, cool thing.
It's like all the handles, all handmade.
When you see that someone can make a living doing that, and when you're chopping onions with something like that, or you're doing something in the kitchen, or you're using it for camping or hunting or something like that, it's like you're feeling like you have a piece of craftsmanship with you.
crash hoefler
Awesome.
I love that.
joe rogan
What is that?
It's like a connection to the person who made it, right?
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like a more obvious connection.
crash hoefler
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Like if you had a handmade, like my friend Ari went to China, he had a handmade suit.
crash hoefler
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Fucking handmade suit.
crash hoefler
It fits perfect, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
crash hoefler
That's me.
joe rogan
And a guy made it.
There's something extra jazzy about the fact that you know that a guy made this for you.
It feels good.
crash hoefler
That's right.
He took your proportions into consideration.
joe rogan
Yeah.
crash hoefler
Because you're six feet tall, that doesn't mean that your knees are bending here or your stride is this or that.
joe rogan
And he's an artisan.
I mean, he's an artisan.
He creates a beautiful suit.
It's a work of art.
crash hoefler
He gets a pleasure out of that.
See, that's back to that feeling of accomplishment, what you could feel like by making stuff.
I feel good about that.
Like what we do with the chambers.
We really put a lot of effort into the manufacturing of them and the products that we use, the parts, all of them.
Not that there's anything wrong with, you know, whatever.
We use no cheap parts.
There's nothing made in China, not that there's anything wrong with made in China, but we don't buy anything that's used in China for our stuff at all.
It's all either made here or North America somewhere.
We have a few European parts from German and Switzerland, but the rest of it's all made here in America.
Because of the quality.
We insist upon getting the best pieces.
And that was the guy you spoke about, Lilley, John Lilley, that invented these chambers in the beginning.
His doctrine or whatever it is, his perspective was that it was always better to buy or to implement or use the better quality pieces.
A piece of equipment then to create this what it is that it is.
I agree with that so much that the better it is, the better it is.
Just saying, oh, you can get away with it.
Oh, we could do it this way.
It's cheaper.
I find if you could figure out the best way to do things, that's the way to do it.
First class.
You got first class or no class.
You know what I mean?
These people come up with this thing.
Oh, it's a...
This is why I used to mix sound, right?
I do monitors, mix the stage.
I say, how is it?
I say, oh, it's okay.
Pretty good.
I say, no, no, no.
We don't do pretty good.
We don't do okay.
We get it just the way you want.
I'm going to have that in a second for you.
You just communicate with me.
And we'll have it just exactly the way you want that.
Not a problem.
joe rogan
Right.
Well, that's like many aspects of life.
There's some people that are happily half-assing things.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
Just happily getting to the end of the day.
crash hoefler
Can't stand it.
joe rogan
Slunk over, you know, slumped over and just tired.
And then there's other folks that, like you, who are fucking crazy.
Who figure out a way to invest an incredible amount of time to try to...
Renovate and reinvigorate this business that had kind of been forgotten about.
I mean, when you came along, there was like Samadhi tanks, and then there was a couple other ones that you could kind of find online, you know, that were made in Europe.
In Europe, it had a little bit more popularity in Europe.
crash hoefler
Yeah, they had that Pathfinder, and then they had...
Let's see.
Oasis has been around since from the beginning.
joe rogan
Why was it more popular in Europe than it was in America?
crash hoefler
You know...
joe rogan
Any ideas?
crash hoefler
You know, I really don't know, to be honest with you.
joe rogan
It still wasn't popular.
I mean, it's still way more popular even now overseas.
Like, I get letters all the time from...
There's a new place that opened up in London.
I believe there's one in Manchester that opened up.
And I get messages from those guys all the time.
So I know they're opening up new ones.
So it's not like it's already there and established.
crash hoefler
Well, that's what we were talking about earlier a little bit.
On the way over here, we had a chance to have a little brief discussion about the future in the industry there.
I got a chance to show you some of these rules and regulations now that have been pinned up by the various health agencies, NSF, National Sanitization Foundation.
joe rogan
Well, just explain that to people.
There's home tanks and then there's commercial tanks.
And people always, when I tell them, hey, you should go to the float lab and get in a tank, they go, wait a minute, somebody's been in that tank before me?
That is a very good question.
And that is a question that...
up until now hasn't been like completely thoroughly examined and your tanks like when people come over my house one of the things they always look at is like the back of the tank where all the equipment is set up and they go what the fuck is all that and I go well that one does ozone these ones are filters and like is that overkill I'm like I don't know what overkill is I don't know I'm not I'm not a I all I know is the tank is awesome crash makes the best tanks if he says it should be like this then it probably should be like this But when you talk to people that have other tanks,
they go, dude, I got like a little fucking spa pump.
I got a little spa pump that's about the size of a basketball, and that's it.
And you got like a JPL fucking setup back there with digital this and fucking control panel.
crash hoefler
It just keeps getting more and more complicated as we get more and more involved with the authorities, like UL. Yes, and UL is what?
Underwriters Laboratory.
They do all electrical certification for any kind of stuff like this.
These people...
joe rogan
What had happened to mine, where mine shorted out, is fairly common.
crash hoefler
I showed you the email, too, about this and that, these electrical issues.
joe rogan
Well, you got an email, without naming anybody, there was another manufacturer that makes pods, and his pod melted.
crash hoefler
Into oblivion.
joe rogan
Yeah, he made some sort of a thing and it just fucking fell apart.
There's awesome ones out there.
crash hoefler
We don't want to sling mud or anything.
joe rogan
For home use, it's a different thing.
And a lot of these people are taking these home use ones and they're using them for these commercial places.
And all these different people are going in there and who knows if they're jerking off.
Some of them probably, let's be honest.
And where's that going?
You know, it's like going through your little spa filter.
That's not enough for me, man.
crash hoefler
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a video.
This is the video that Brian made.
Air is where the water is.
It doesn't feel...
Yeah, well, this is all the shit that I've already said before, I mean, earlier in this podcast.
brian redban
Your voice sounds so different.
joe rogan
That was before I got my nose fixed, man.
Oh, wow.
unidentified
And then on top of that, you can't hear anything because your ears are underwater.
joe rogan
Your face is floating above the water, but your ears are essentially...
We already said all this stuff.
But you can watch the video and you can kind of see it.
Yeah, my nose, when I got my nose opened up, changed my voice a little bit.
brian redban
That's crazy.
joe rogan
But I can breathe out of my nose now.
crash hoefler
Yay.
unidentified
All right.
joe rogan
For all my life, dude, I had no nose.
My nose was a useless piece of shit.
It was just bad cartilage and scar tissue in there.
But now, beautiful.
Now I can smell when Brian's been smoking cigarettes, too.
crash hoefler
Busted.
joe rogan
Smiling from a mile away, this motherfucker.
So that's the tank from, what is that video from, Brian?
brian redban
What year was this?
Wow, that's a good question.
crash hoefler
It's been a while.
brian redban
2009, maybe?
joe rogan
Is it really that recent?
crash hoefler
I think it's been more than that.
Maybe, I don't know.
joe rogan
Because this was tank number one.
crash hoefler
Yeah, that's number one.
joe rogan
I can't tell by the way it's facing.
crash hoefler
Yeah, this is another...
See, we're like 12 steps from that.
You know, Joe, we wanted to get over and switch it out for him because he deserves to have a more updated version.
He was okay with everything, but...
Once again, okay is not good.
I don't want to hear okay.
That's not okay with me.
Even if it's okay with you, still not okay with me.
We're so happy to be able to get you up to speak.
We still have some steps to go for you, though, too.
What are the steps?
This is the previous version now of what we have.
As time goes by...
joe rogan
Well, the one I have now is even bigger than the one that's in that video.
The one I have now is this weird fucking meat locker.
unidentified
Beautiful.
crash hoefler
We're working on it today.
joe rogan
It's seven feet tall.
crash hoefler
Put some salt in it.
joe rogan
I mean, it's more than seven feet tall.
And I don't know how many feet wide.
Was it six?
crash hoefler
Six, seven, and eight, I think, is what it is.
And that's a...
That's a great chamber there.
What's good is you're using it.
See, people, that's the first thing.
Oh, you know, I joined the gym.
What is that?
You've got to go to the gym.
You know what I mean?
Does it get a membership?
Oh, whoa.
Some of these people sit in their house and they don't use it.
joe rogan
It's hard, but people need something to jolt them out of their normal, everyday routine.
They need something to jolt them.
And they'll try one day.
Like, today I'm going to go to the gym.
And they work out, and the next day it's like, fuck it.
For whatever reason, it didn't catch fire.
But they want to improve.
crash hoefler
You know, and that's the first step.
But the actually doing things.
People, a lot of folks, they discuss a lot of stuff.
They read about other people, all these things, and instead of like actually sit down and say, okay, what can I actually do today to make me do something that is of a value?
You know, rather than, you know, the criticizing of other people is really a...
This doesn't really help so much.
joe rogan
Well, it's fun though.
crash hoefler
It's fun.
I love to do it.
joe rogan
Criticizing of other people is oftentimes a good sense of a source of entertainment.
crash hoefler
It's an output too.
You say, oh man, I can't...
joe rogan
But you have to be careful of criticizing too much or getting only into the vein of criticism.
Consistently, constantly.
People that are smart...
I think one of the dumb choices that a lot of smart people make is to consistently and constantly look for the negative in things.
Consistently and constantly.
There's a lot of things you can focus on.
The negatives of things are always going to exist.
You're not stupid.
You see them.
But to constantly and consistently only rally against dumb things in pop culture over and over again.
At a certain point in time, I have to go, listen, we see it.
We see it, too.
Are you just angry about it?
That doesn't help anybody.
Either be funny or shut the fuck up, because we see it's dumb, too.
crash hoefler
The funny part is best.
joe rogan
Make a joke.
To the good part of our culture.
Come up with something that's entertaining.
Come up with something that taps into what people would like to be getting.
Here's more on this one, if that one's empty.
I don't know.
crash hoefler
Either way.
Thank you, my friend.
joe rogan
You're welcome.
One of the things that The Tank provides is this sort of introspective moment that I think a lot of folks are missing.
And sometimes people get caught in patterns.
And you can get caught up in a pattern of negativity.
You can get caught up in a pattern of depression.
You can get caught up in a pattern of regret.
You can get caught up in a pattern of friendships, of kindness.
You can get caught up in a pattern of affection.
You can get into good patterns, too.
You just have to reject the bad ones.
When they come along, don't indulge.
crash hoefler
And be ready for those changes.
Be self-aware.
You go in there and you've got to look at yourself.
When I first started doing it, I didn't even know what it was or whatever, but...
I would be in there for an hour every day.
I would go in there and just beat myself up because I was a damaged goods.
joe rogan
No way.
Crash?
I'm not buying it.
crash hoefler
Once upon a time.
I think you're being modest, sir.
Anyway.
But getting in there every day for me for one hour in the beginning...
See, I didn't even know what it was, but I knew that that's what I was...
So I'm in there and I'd beat myself up.
I'd come out of there.
I'd be beaten up and I'd get out and I'd go, wow.
I feel pretty good.
I could sit down and I used to have a PA out there.
I was in a ranch.
I had a ranch and a big screen and everything.
But I would come in there and I always need people around me and stimulation and stuff.
But I get out of that chamber, I come in all by myself and sit down and not turn nothing on and just sit there and feel actually relaxed without use of drugs.
Yeah.
I'm reliant on certain things in the past that make me feel different ways.
But the chamber now, it was able to affect the way I felt as a matter of factly without the use of any kind of additives.
And when I learned about that, that's quite impressive.
joe rogan
It's quite a game changer.
crash hoefler
You know, you now have a window into yourself.
You can now go in and look at you and see what that is and then say, hey, woo, look at that, what that is over...
Same thing because you're aware of what you are and who you are, what you did and where you've been and whatnot like that, but you have to be willing to, you know, admit to all that, surrender, whatever, and then...
Pick yourself up and start to use what it is that you're able to figure out about what to do from here.
joe rogan
Exactly.
crash hoefler
And stand by it.
Don't compromise.
joe rogan
And the tank tells you that.
The experience sort of...
crash hoefler
Introduces you to yourself.
joe rogan
Yeah.
crash hoefler
And there you are in this box, and you realize there's two parts of me.
There's this thing inside of me that apparently has better information, and then there's this thing outside that wants to get high or goes to go see chicks or do whatever you're going to want to do.
Go out and blah, blah, blah.
You eat too much.
People do different things.
joe rogan
Gamble.
crash hoefler
Gambling.
All kinds of stuff.
joe rogan
Smoking cigarettes.
crash hoefler
And we get a hit from that, you know?
Booze!
But the effect that these things have...
See, what they do is also...
They'll alter your perspective of yourself.
Sometimes you have these...
Sometimes you see how people are drunk and they're all like, ah, la, la, la, la, you know?
And they're really...
It kind of...
It gives them an impression that they're more happy to be around or something.
The drunker they get, the stupider they seem to be.
But they don't seem to evaluate themselves from that perspective.
They think they're more fun or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, self-evaluation is one of the hardest things to do, right?
It's one of the hardest things for a person to do, to step away from their whatever...
Inaccuracies they've been telling themselves to make themselves feel better about their life or their situation and then to force yourself to go, you know, this is not right.
This is this.
crash hoefler
And society has an influence on you as well because you don't want to look too, like you're saying, you know, I can remember certain, I want to get into this, start talking about certain things and people go, oh, you know, I don't want to talk about that or whatever.
So you got to have a...
It's good to work on yourself.
I'm big on the selfishism.
I think...
joe rogan
What are you saying, though, about people not wanting to talk about certain things?
Like what kind of things?
unidentified
Well...
joe rogan
Like conspiracy theories?
crash hoefler
Yeah, stuff like that.
You know, kind of a negative thing.
Because when I was, you know, in Vegas, the same place, and the guy...
We're loading the show in, right?
And the truck driver goes, oh, there's the chem planes.
I go, what?
He goes, yeah, look at that.
And I go, oh, my...
I couldn't believe it.
There's airplanes spraying us, man.
I go...
Unbelievable.
So I was damaged goods from that.
That messed me up for years.
And he said he quit telling people about it because he's driving a truck.
They go, oh yeah, take another hit on the crack pipe.
Meanwhile, there it is right in front of you.
joe rogan
Yeah, he should stop telling people about it.
And he should just go on Google and find out what it actually is.
crash hoefler
Then there was nothing.
This is like 15 years ago.
joe rogan
Well, it's not chemtrails.
See, this is where people are really confused.
It's just airplanes create artificial clouds in hazy environments.
If an airplane is going through the atmosphere and there's a certain amount of condensation, it creates an artificial cloud.
It just does.
The jet engine.
I mean, you should look into this more than anybody, because you've talked to me about this before, and I know that you probably have these ideas in your head About the government spraying things in the sky.
crash hoefler
Oh, I didn't say the government.
joe rogan
I'm sure, whoever it is.
crash hoefler
Airplanes.
joe rogan
Someone may have done that at some point in time.
Most likely has done that at some point in time.
But that's not what you're saying.
When you're seeing those clouds that go across, those are actual clouds.
They're clouds that are being made by jet engines.
Like, this has all been proven.
This is all scientific.
Everyone agrees on it.
There's no controversy about this at all when it comes to people who understand jet propellant engines or jet engines and airplanes and airplanes in atmospheric conditions.
Like there's been articles about this since the 1980s.
I mean, all it is is in 2001, when September 11th happened, there was an article that was on CNN.com like a couple of days afterwards that was talking about the changes in the temperature because there weren't the artificial clouds that we're used to having overhead on a daily basis there was an article that was on CNN.com like a couple of days afterwards that was talking about the So it's not something that they were being like secretive about.
This is just an effect of airplanes.
The real chemtrail, this is one of the things that I said on my television show when we covered this, is that they're burning jet fuel in the sky.
That's the real chemtrail.
We're polluting the sky, and we just love it because we can get across the country in five hours.
And that's where guys like Elon Musk and these geniuses that want to create these...
Incredible high-speed trains.
That's why these guys are so amazing.
Because if they can figure out how to do that and use the same sort of technology that keeps Google cars safe, and if everybody can work together and make these, we might be able to change the environment.
Like the amount of jet fuel that we burn.
There's like thousands and thousands of flights every hour all across the country constantly going back and forth.
crash hoefler
You know the rocket ships apparently take a lot of propulsion to get out.
joe rogan
Incredible amount.
crash hoefler
People who work on the rocket ships, I talk to them, and they say, oh yeah, the The biggest thing is the pollution that's created.
When these things blast off the amount of whatever goes into the atmosphere.
joe rogan
Look, you see fire.
You don't ever see fire unless something that's not good is on fire.
Fire's coming out of a metal tube.
That's never good.
It's never good for the world.
crash hoefler
What's good now is that people have that opportunity to investigate information.
That's why right now I think that ignorance and negligence are sort of the same thing.
People say, oh, I didn't know.
Well, you didn't know because you didn't care enough to look into it.
joe rogan
That is true, but sometimes you get caught in a situation where you don't...
crash hoefler
Still don't understand, even after all the facts are in.
joe rogan
Well, you also have...
Contrary opinions back and forth.
Which is legitimate.
Especially when it comes to certain historical events.
There's a lot of people that want to talk about, like JFK is a good example.
There's a lot of people that love talking about conspiracies and they like to wrap that one up tight.
And when you have these conversations with them and you look at the contrary evidence on both sides, pro and con, it's like, wow, there's a lot of massive amounts of confusion as to what the actual events were.
crash hoefler
So many people wanted him, Dad, that you couldn't pin the tail on that donkey no matter what.
He had multiple people that were upset with his actions.
joe rogan
Boy, would they be so lucky if it was just a lone nut.
Boy, would they be so lucky.
All those other people would be so lucky.
crash hoefler
We would be so lucky because then this situation would have perpetuated to this point now.
If it was a lone nut back then and the system was actually fail-safe from situations like this?
joe rogan
I think with the 1960s and the death of Kennedy and the Kent State shootings and all that stuff, I mean, as tragic as it is for then and for those times, I think that ultimately that kind of stuff is sort of a reminder in a lot of ways to the people of today about how bad it can get if things get out of hand.
So when they start creeping up on these infringements on civil liberties and people start rising up, that's where you see things like us going to Syria gets shot down.
I mean, you see the entire country, both Democrat and Republican.
crash hoefler
That was the first time that ever happened where they had made a plan to go in and invade something and they did not do it because of the voice of the public.
joe rogan
The voice of the whole public.
You know, it's like how many Republicans at this point in time are tired of fucking wars?
crash hoefler
A blue suit, a green suit, a purple suit.
joe rogan
People are like, enough.
crash hoefler
Thank you.
joe rogan
We're broke and we're not invading other countries.
crash hoefler
And what for?
joe rogan
Exactly.
And we're not fixing the problems that we have at home.
How about the fact there's no water?
How about the fact that Texas, it hasn't rained in Texas in fucking years.
You know, California had like one rainfall over the past three or four months.
It's terrible.
I mean, that's something to consider.
It's something to think about where the fuck we're going to get our water from.
Desalienation plants, maybe.
Drain out that fucking goofy ocean.
Tire of those fish sucking up all the good water.
crash hoefler
What's happening with the fish all dead off over there, too, everywhere?
What's going on with the fish?
joe rogan
That, a lot of times, is a side effect of pollution, too.
Or it could be a side effect of certain types of, like, fish need a certain oxygen level, and things can happen, and they develop dead zones in the water.
And there's no oxygen and all the fish just drowned.
crash hoefler
You've seen that on the...
unidentified
Yeah.
crash hoefler
There's like gazillions of them, the hundreds of thousands here, there.
We looked all over the world, it seems like there's problems, but it could be just, you know, whatever.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's always happened, but it happens certainly because of pollution as well, I believe.
crash hoefler
Absolutely.
Pollution is bad.
We don't need to say, oh, look, it's okay because it's only this amount or we got a can, we're containing it.
See, these are the containment systems, too.
What do they do with that stuff now?
joe rogan
They're stuffing it in the ground from waiting for Godzilla to come and eat it.
crash hoefler
What is that all about?
We're going to collect this garbage and then plant it in the ground over here.
joe rogan
Well, that's what a little kid does.
You know, when you're sweeping up, it's in a cartoon.
You pick up the carpet and you sweep it under the carpet and you put that carpet down with no shit, you know?
Yeah, it's a very childish way.
But it's also the people that were alive that implemented these systems, they're not alive anymore.
And when they were our age, it was a completely different era.
And then when you go back to look at the distance between us and the 1940s, go back and look at the 1940s and the distance between them and the same amount of time, and you're in the 1800s.
Okay, you're in the times where people were riding horses and they had to paint their pictures.
That's how much distance has traveled.
I mean, we really, if you go back to 1940 and you look at those guys that are running the space program or look at those guys that were involved in the nuclear program, how old were they?
They were in their 40s?
Let's say they're in their 40s.
Let's say that they were born in the year 1900, and they were designing and working on all these crazy technological innovations from the time.
If you went back from them to as far as us looking at the 1940s, you would be, what, 60s, 74 years?
So 74 years before that.
So 74 years before that is 18-fucking-26.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
crash hoefler
They got a horse.
joe rogan
Stop and think about that.
Their 1940 world to us, what we consider the 1940 world, is the early 1800s to them.
It's essentially two decades or two centuries away.
crash hoefler
And that's on just the regular ratio.
When you start to consider the exponential type situation, the growth is magnified as it goes on.
It continues to expand itself out.
joe rogan
No doubt.
I mean, the growth and change between 1820 and 1940 was nothing compared to 1940 to 2010. I mean, this is madness.
crash hoefler
Well, then you look ahead and you say, oh boy.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know.
It's going to be really weird.
But it's just so strange that we're still running on the momentum of these people's ideas as far as storage of nuclear weapons, storage of nuclear waste.
crash hoefler
Reset.
Is there a reset button?
joe rogan
Fascinating, though, really.
crash hoefler
Bring some kids in.
joe rogan
I agree wholeheartedly, but also as a person who's not involved in creating nuclear technology or not involved in any of that, I find it fascinating just as an observer looking at it all like, wow, this is really an interesting scenario because it was created by these incredible geniuses that lived as long ago as 1820-something to them.
I mean, that is really hard to believe.
It's really hard to believe.
crash hoefler
What's hard to believe is that we're still operating on that same mechanism.
joe rogan
Exactly.
It's really hard to believe.
And it's hard to believe that we still have, like, garbage dumps.
We have, like, dumps?
Like, what?
Like, we have dumps.
We take all the garbage, we throw it over there.
And then those dumps become fucking disasters.
We went to a garbage dump.
We filmed something for the man show at a garbage dump once.
It was horrible.
It was a horrible, fucking disgusting place.
crash hoefler
Dig a hole and dump the...
What do they do?
joe rogan
Throw all the shit in there and it stinks.
crash hoefler
Just keep digging holes?
joe rogan
It fucking stinks, dude.
They just cover it up with dirt and it's disgusting.
crash hoefler
Doesn't the fume, the methane or whatever, build up if you put it under the ground?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, methane comes from biological waste, doesn't it?
crash hoefler
Somebody was telling us that this guy took a...
A mouse.
And he made an art thing, and he covered up the mouse with the resin, right?
And then the mouse was running through the resin, apparently, until it couldn't go no further, right?
He was, like, stuck in the resin, the mouse was.
joe rogan
That's an art piece?
That's an asshole.
That's an asshole.
He glued a mouse.
crash hoefler
Yeah, it is.
So it's inside of this thing now.
And then they were in the house.
One day, it was up on the inside.
It exploded.
It exploded.
It was made out of plastic glass stuff, and it exploded.
The mouse was off-gassing from inside of it, and the mouse created so much gas, it blew this whole thing up all over the place, the guy told me.
joe rogan
Whoa.
crash hoefler
From the mouse being stuck in there, the gas that was...
Off-gassing as it died, you know?
You know the smell you smell?
He said the house smelled like that, too.
Was you there for that?
I forget who was telling me now, but somebody had to come and do the mop down on the house and everything.
joe rogan
That seems like an unnecessary experiment.
crash hoefler
You've got to remember that.
Next time you're messing around with some mice, don't stick them in some plastic.
They don't do well.
joe rogan
Well, there's plastics that they can make from plant material, something a lot of people aren't aware of.
You can make plastic from hemp.
crash hoefler
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a biodegradable plastic you can make from hemp.
crash hoefler
Ford made a whole car, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, Ford made the first car.
The fenders are made out of hemp, and you can hit it with a hammer.
Hemp is the weirdest plant ever.
I know I sound like a hippie when I start talking great about marijuana, but forget about marijuana.
The psychoactive benefits of marijuana, I've gone into in depth.
I think there's a real benefit to people.
I hear people saying, oh, you know, kids, and what about the kids?
What about the kids?
What about the kids with fucking anything?
Kids can die from aspirin.
Kids can die if they have a contest to see who eats more salt.
Kids can die doing a lot of fucking shit, you know?
It's not about kids.
It's about responsible use of adults.
If it's your kid, you have an obligation to educate your children, do the best you can to protect them from the dangers of this world.
All drugs are a part of that, including hundreds of legal ones that are available right now that can kill your children.
So that's not the issue.
Marijuana is a minor, minor, minor issue when it comes to health and safety.
It's a major issue when it comes to consciousness and maybe even more so when it comes to the implementation of hemp as a commodity.
Hemp for paper, hemp for building materials, hemp for automobile panels that are lighter and more durable.
Henry Ford figured that shit out at the turn of the 20th century.
He was doing that.
In the early 1900s, this guy had figured that out.
crash hoefler
Do you see the pants they make out of it and the shirts and everything?
joe rogan
And they're durable.
They're way more durable than cotton.
crash hoefler
And now it also has one of the best root systems.
So what would it be a good idea to do is where you have these erosion problems.
If they plant weed in there, the rooting system...
joe rogan
Hemp.
You've got to say hemp.
You've got to say hemp.
When you say weed, they think you're a hippie and you want to get high.
crash hoefler
Oh, you know.
That's just...
I'm just kidding.
That's in your own safety of your house.
unidentified
Yes.
crash hoefler
But this other stuff, you could put outside and let it grow.
joe rogan
Well, hemp is a very strange plant.
There's really no plant like it on Earth.
And it's incredibly hard and dense, but very light as well.
crash hoefler
The seeds, they make that omega-3 and the omega-6.
Mm-hmm.
It's like...
joe rogan
Well, the protein, too.
Hemp protein is the most easily digestible protein.
unidentified
It's a fantastic plant.
joe rogan
We sell it on it.
We sell hemp force.
crash hoefler
You have a hemp protein supplement?
joe rogan
We bought the best hemp you can get.
It's really fine.
It's very high in protein.
It's the most expensive, but it's the best.
And a lot of people don't like the taste.
I think it tastes delicious, but I always fix it up with coconut water.
I just throw a banana, coconut water, and hemp force into a blender, and that's how I do it.
Yeah.
crash hoefler
You're off to the races.
joe rogan
It digests easy.
The thing about, like, I like a lot of different protein powders, but I feel like the vegetable proteins, I like pea protein, there's a Vega that is a, I think it's an all-vegan-based protein powder, all-plant-based protein powder that I like too.
I like that.
I like those because they digest very easily.
crash hoefler
You're getting the impact from it.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think it's also very easy on the body.
Whereas I feel like whey protein, which is also very effective, but it's made from whey, which is made from milk products.
It doesn't quite digest as easily.
I feel like it makes my farts stinkier too.
crash hoefler
The hemp keeps that, so everybody's happy about that there.
joe rogan
Hemp's clean, clean, easy.
My body has no problem digesting it.
And it's illegal to grow in America.
We buy it from Canada.
crash hoefler
It always seemed unbelievable.
joe rogan
It's so stupid.
crash hoefler
When I was a kid, I used to say to my mom, hey, what is wrong with this stuff?
And she said, oh, well, it's illegal.
And that was the best they could come up with?
That's not even an answer.
joe rogan
Well, that doesn't even work with hemp, because hemp can't get you high.
It's just a plant.
crash hoefler
Well, I was worried about the other part.
joe rogan
But growing hemp is like growing pine trees.
What if someone came along and said you can't grow pine trees?
No more pine trees.
You can't make pine tables.
You can't make pine bed stands.
No more pine.
You'd be like, what are you talking about?
I can't grow pine?
crash hoefler
Or roses.
joe rogan
It's fucking crazy.
crash hoefler
Can't grow any rose bushes.
joe rogan
They're trying to snuff out, but the preposterousness of pine is a good one because it's so readily available.
Well, if marijuana was legal, it could be as readily available as pine trees.
The shit grows everywhere.
It fucking grows everywhere.
And for the past hundred years almost, there's been this ridiculous boycott on this magical plant.
unidentified
Phew.
joe rogan
It's a magical plant.
If it didn't exist and someone told you about it from another planet, we would be sending spaceships out to get it.
If we found that there was pot growing on the moon, and if the astronauts went to the moon and they came back with a plant, and over the next decade they analyzed this plant and found it to have a million different uses, psychoactively, medically, to treat PTSD, interocular pressure from fucking...
Glaucoma to give people their appetite back when they're going through chemo.
You go through a laundry list of benefits that this fucking alien plant had.
What's that virgin guy, Richard Branson?
He'd be sending spaceships out to the moon with farmers.
They'd have Mexicans in space flying to the moon to harvest the marijuana and bring it back home.
crash hoefler
And we got it here!
joe rogan
Yeah, and we got it here!
And these cunts are trying to keep it illegal.
crash hoefler
It's amazing how...
joe rogan
These dummies, like that Chris Christie dummy.
crash hoefler
I don't understand it.
Well, I understand.
joe rogan
It's dummies.
They rail against it.
They rail.
They rally.
crash hoefler
They scream.
joe rogan
They cry.
crash hoefler
We've got to go back to the thing about these corporate guys.
What we need to do is have them on the right side.
joe rogan
They need to get high.
crash hoefler
They need to just chill down and say, listen, hey, okay, we're going to do what we can do to make things better.
joe rogan
Yes.
crash hoefler
And get on board.
And then people say, hey.
joe rogan
And the best way is for you to get high.
You've got to grab them.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
Or sell that stuff.
joe rogan
Don't grab it.
crash hoefler
Make it.
Say, listen, we use it in our product now.
We use this stuff because we found it's better than what we used to use.
joe rogan
Well, I think there's a lot of things that could be done to make people overall, just overall in this country, just a wee bit healthier.
Just a little bit of a change in the dial and the direction that we're all going.
Like I remember Anthony Robbins, who although I've made fun of inspirational guys, I think is actually a very inspirational guy.
I think Anthony Robbins has some really good advice.
I've read a bunch of different things that he said back when I was competing in my martial arts days.
I actually benefited very much from a lot of his...
He had audiobooks I'd listen to by the pool when I lived in a shitty apartment.
And one of the things that he said was that if...
It would take into consideration two cars that are going in a certain direction.
If one of them just has a very slight variation off the line, just a slight, over the course of time, the distance that it goes from the original direction it was going to is vast.
Just a small change.
Just a small adjustment.
And I think that could be said not just of cars that are driving parallel to each other, but of a culture.
And I think that if something like the tank came along and the tank in conjunction with this newfound...
Refusal to accept the marijuana laws.
There's a newfound refusal.
And now Colorado, there was an article that was written that came out today.
I think it came out today.
I found out about it today.
I retweeted it today from Reset Me, which is our friend Amber Lyon's website.
And essentially, it's talking about how Colorado has made more money and had less crime.
crash hoefler
And the taxes, too, for the school?
unidentified
Six months.
crash hoefler
Read about the school.
joe rogan
Yeah.
crash hoefler
They gave them.9 million or something for the school system?
joe rogan
The woman who wrote it, her name is Laura Pegram, and yeah, it came out on the 27th, so that was three days ago.
crash hoefler
They put money into school?
joe rogan
Yeah.
crash hoefler
Can you imagine that?
They're doing something on the planet that's putting money into schools, and they have a problem with this?
joe rogan
And it's empowering people to start their own business, the right people.
People who are into weed, they're going to start their own businesses and get rich.
That would be a weird thing when weed farmers are a bunch of rich people running around funding schools.
Weed farmers are paying for the police to have better facilities.
Weed farmers are paying for the fire department to be better equipped.
Weed farmers are paying for the teachers to make more money.
It's not just a pipe dream.
crash hoefler
Weed farmers are working with the community and the officials in the community to create a situation.
These guys could be major influences on the entire...
joe rogan
At this part, right in the podcast, people that are listening who are not into weed are like, that!
unidentified
That's it.
crash hoefler
That's it.
joe rogan
I'm fucking hanging up.
This stuff's a fucking indoctrination.
crash hoefler
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
All right, well.
joe rogan
Even if you don't want to smoke weed, how could you ever say that $100 million in cash revenue, $100 million is not a great thing, that you get that kind of taxes from your first year, and who knows where this is going to go.
It could easily double by the second year.
So then you got $200 million in tax revenue?
Oh my goodness.
crash hoefler
And then they focus where it went.
How much of the tax that you paid last month went to the school system?
Who knows?
How much did the school get?
I don't care about anything else.
joe rogan
Colorado's not that big.
crash hoefler
No.
joe rogan
I mean, it's big, but it's not like the amount of people as California has.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Not even close.
crash hoefler
So you spread that money out.
unidentified
Yeah.
crash hoefler
If you got...
Oh, so there's 800 kids and they made $1,000 or whatever.
joe rogan
Dude, do you know how much money marijuana would make in California if they just...
Just sent it loose.
Just set it loose.
Just unleashed it.
Fully legal.
Let's go.
I mean, just the medical industry here is so gigantic.
There's businesses where doctors just give people weed prescriptions.
That's all they do.
crash hoefler
That's all they do.
joe rogan
They have a line of people with headaches out the door.
Shh, shh, shh.
That's their business.
Everybody's paying 40 bucks and they're keeping it moving.
And that's legal.
I mean, what they've done legally is crazy.
If they made it fully legal, if they just said, release the hounds, it would change the culture.
It really would.
And it would help a lot of people.
It would help a lot of people that are resisting it.
It would help a lot of athletes.
And the big one that would help a lot of athletes is edible.
Edible marijuana for inflammation, for injuries, for relaxation, for stretching.
Just for your body.
Just forget about the psychoactive effects of introspection and self-analysis and all that other stuff that comes with eating it.
There's physical benefits that would be pretty substantial.
crash hoefler
Nutritional benefits.
There's the nutrition.
You already talked about that.
joe rogan
You can eat it.
It's really good for you.
Super healthy.
Great for your skin.
Hemp oil is good for your skin.
You can cook with it.
It's crazy.
crash hoefler
You can make a car with it.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can run a car on it.
You can run a car.
You can burn hemp oil.
The whole thing is so ridiculous that if you looked at it on paper and it wasn't the case...
crash hoefler
Someone said, hey, we have this stuff.
We just figured it out today.
It's called a slippery whatever, and we have it.
joe rogan
Well, it would be a great plot for a book.
If there was a company that somehow or another managed to plot against one of the most beneficial plants on Earth and suppressed the development and use of it for almost a century.
If that was a book, you would be captivated by this plot.
Could this happen?
Is this possible that one of the most beneficial plants ever known to man could be stifled?
crash hoefler
They might have known about it in the beginning and then cut it off, like say, uh-oh, this stuff could catch on.
joe rogan
I think that what happens is, one of the things that happens is when anything is illegal and then you start arresting people for that thing, you make a business out of arresting people for that thing.
You make a business out of that thing being illegal and then, like we were talking about before, when those guys are out of a job, they're just out of a job.
So they'll fight to keep their fucking job and one of the best ways to keep your job is to keep more things illegal.
If you're a guy who arrests people for shit, You want to make sure that more things like marijuana stay illegal, especially the DEA. What would they do if marijuana became legal?
And then people would have to start considering all sorts of other drugs becoming legal as well.
crash hoefler
Maybe they could figure out how to direct the business aspects of it.
Just take this money now, and we'll have a...
An agency, let's say, that works directly with these people that then, you know, maybe then they could have a place in being helpful, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, obviously, folks, this is not something that we thought on in advance.
We're trying to work this shit out on the fly.
It's not the best way to design a government.
But it might be better than what's already in place.
You know, what's already in place is just fucking silly.
You can't tell people they can't have weed.
Stop it.
crash hoefler
It's not very nice to involve yourself in other people's business like that when they're not involved in yours.
joe rogan
Especially if you're ignorant.
When I was first starting to work for the UFC, I would often encounter these articles that were written that were critical of mixed martial arts.
And I could tell by reading the article that the person who was writing it had no idea what they were talking about.
They didn't understand the sport from a fundamental level.
They were incorrect about the rules.
They were incorrect about what was allowed.
They were incorrect about the size of the participants, that they were one size against all.
They didn't know.
They were acting on really old information, really bad information.
But yet here they are writing for some life.
crash hoefler
Having an opinion.
joe rogan
Well, and writing it in a published form where they're spreading it out to the world.
That's what they're doing when it comes to psychedelics.
crash hoefler
It's like no appreciation.
It's like having a guy do a wine review that's never had any wine.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you know, I'll do you one better.
Anybody that is trying to get anything like marijuana or mushrooms or any of these things removed from the culture and has no experience in them whatsoever is like a guy who's never had sex trying to make sex illegal.
crash hoefler
It's mean.
joe rogan
Well, it's insane.
It's insane that anybody allows it.
If someone who has never had sex before tried to make sex illegal to all of us that enjoy sex, you'd be like, are you crazy?
It's like one of my favorite things.
Like, why would you cut the sex out?
Because I don't get sex, so you don't get sex.
I don't like it.
I don't appreciate it.
It rots your brain.
It weakens your knees.
And someone could just...
Somehow or another trick people into not having sex.
Obviously sex is a natural urge.
Marijuana is something that you learn about.
But they're both beneficial and enjoyable aspects of this beautiful thing called life.
And for whatever fucking reason, we've allowed these dummies that are obviously...
Like you look at a guy like Newt Gringrich.
Dude, you don't get to tell me anything.
You don't get to tell me what to do or how to live at all!
You don't get to.
I don't believe in you.
I think you're a corporate puppet, and you don't get to tell me that pot's bad.
When I look at Chris Christie, you're 300 pounds, you don't get to give advice.
You don't get to give advice.
Oh, marijuana rots the brain.
What about your fucking brain that's allowed you to balloon up like another animal?
You don't even look like a human.
You look like some sloth, some walrus-type creature that's waddled out of the ocean and put on big pants.
You're a ridiculous person.
You can't talk about marijuana.
You don't experience it.
If you don't experience it on a regular basis, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
And that's the problem that we have in our culture.
We have these people that are giving advice on something that they have no experience with.
crash hoefler
We're over mixed up in other civilizations.
These people, they are operating for thousands or hundreds, whatever it is.
joe rogan
Exactly.
crash hoefler
And we're going to come over there and say, hey, here we are now.
We're going to tell you guys what to...
joe rogan
We need humility from people that are leading.
That's a very important thing.
So when someone takes a big, strong stance on something that they don't have experience with, or they don't have full knowledge of, like he was talking about something...
Study that they've come out with that marijuana affects the brain.
Yeah, it affects the brain, but they don't know if it's good or bad.
Did you read that part of it?
They don't understand what the effects are, what the negative effects are.
But other than short-term memory loss, no one's demonstrated anything really bad.
But a lot of positive shit.
Tumor shrinkage.
All sorts of medical benefits that deal with inflammation and relieving of pressure.
For a lot of people, it's super beneficial.
crash hoefler
Short memory is good.
Short memory, not so held up on your...
Oh, I hate that.
Forget it.
It's over.
Let it go.
Short memory, I like that.
I got some details there later that come up with me when I need them.
You don't carry garbage around your head all day long.
joe rogan
Some father knows best shit is what it is.
I mean, we're watching Leave it to Beaver.
We're just watching a less ridiculous form of it.
It's a more modern person.
crash hoefler
They're imposing an incorrect moral value on you.
They've decided what is right and what's wrong.
Without having enough information to even have...
A valid perspective.
joe rogan
Well, the gall of a man to say that another man should not be able to legally buy something as innocuous as marijuana is so enraging.
Who the fuck are you?
crash hoefler
You can't smoke a joint somewhere by yourself?
joe rogan
Especially a person who placates themselves, obviously.
You're not some militant fucking like the gunny and full metal jacket.
crash hoefler
What does placate mean?
Placate.
I don't know that word.
joe rogan
Placid.
What's the best way to describe placid?
To make someone placid.
unidentified
Believe it.
crash hoefler
Pretend like you're that way?
No.
joe rogan
Here, I'll give you a perfect.
To make someone less angry.
unidentified
Placid.
joe rogan
I think it's based on placid.
crash hoefler
Oh, okay.
joe rogan
But to try to calm you down.
crash hoefler
Right, right, right, right, right.
joe rogan
Sorry.
You lost my train of thought.
crash hoefler
No, no.
I'm sorry.
I have a limited vocabulary in certain areas.
Okay.
joe rogan
But you don't, though.
You have a very high technological vocabulary.
crash hoefler
I like to ask questions, so now I have that word in my repertoire as well.
joe rogan
Placate.
Placate the masses.
You know that expression?
You've heard that expression?
Like, calm the masses down?
crash hoefler
I think I've heard the word, but never really understood what...
joe rogan
What was I saying, though?
What was I saying?
crash hoefler
About the people.
joe rogan
Oh, that he placates his body.
Obviously, he gives in to his urges.
In order to be that big, you have to be indulgent.
There's no way.
So he's got issues.
So anybody that's got some obvious issue like that, like, man, you're not allowed to dictate health and consumption policies.
crash hoefler
Behavior, even.
joe rogan
Yeah.
crash hoefler
It's ridiculous.
Your behavior is poor.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
crash hoefler
You can't even get control on yourself.
joe rogan
It's also against the current data.
There's no real consensus that shows any sort of significant dangers involved in the consumption of that plant.
crash hoefler
Certainly not like some of these other ones that have how many dead this year?
joe rogan
Yeah, but you know what?
Those other ones are fine too.
I don't have a problem with aspirin being around, but aspirin will fuck you up if you get crazy with it.
crash hoefler
You're your own architect.
joe rogan
A lot of people die every year from aspirin.
Aspirin kills people.
Nobody wants to think about that, but people can die from a lot of dumb shit.
That doesn't make any sense.
It's available everywhere.
Our issue is education and honesty.
And if you're not honest about something as innocuous as marijuana, then why am I going to trust you about anything else?
Where's the dangerous shit?
Oh, we're keeping that legal because it's always been legal?
Well, I'm not saying you should make that illegal, but you've got to let the less dangerous shit in, too.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
And what if the less dangerous shit changes the way people look at everything, including the dangerous shit?
crash hoefler
Right.
joe rogan
And that's a real possibility that psychedelics offer to a lot of people that are addicted to diseases.
A lot of people that have PTSD, that are addicted to diseases, have had extreme benefits from psychedelics.
It's a legal crash!
crash hoefler
You know, see, that's like I told you in the beginning of this.
My mom used to say, oh, what does that mean?
I don't even understand what that is.
joe rogan
Look, I'm ranting too much.
I just get upset.
And I apologize to anybody who's heard this before.
I can't help it at a certain point in time.
It hits me and I'm so confused by it.
I feel like I need to repeat it.
It's the worst part of where we're at.
It's a bottleneck.
One of the worst parts is this lack of understanding about what should and shouldn't be happening to us.
Whether it's our government committing to wars or whether it's the people's emails being spied upon or whether it's people being forced to not consume certain things that would offer different perspectives or people being Morality.
Yeah, people telling you what you can and can't do that's not hurting anybody else.
And I think one of the things that I'm attracted to is altering the current way that I think and altering the current way that other people think and giving you a perspective of the paths that we just get on.
We get stuck in these fucking grooves and it's so easy to keep making those same turns over and over again whenever you hit these very similar moments in your life.
And that's where something like the isolation tank is so good.
It's so good to just get out of that groove.
crash hoefler
I can't, you know, I think, you know, like a long, you see, when I met you and everything, I thought, you know, I think I went to, I don't know if I had just gotten back from Costa Rica or somewhere.
I thought, you know, this is never going to happen.
It's just people are never going to get with this.
But now it seems as if these people in general have gotten up to a place where they're more willing to experience themselves and then make action on that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think people are waking up with a lot of things.
I mean, what you were talking about earlier about Pilates and yoga, I think people are just waking up about their body.
People are really concerned about where their food's coming from now.
This is something that hadn't really existed decades ago.
No one was concerned about organics or, you know, no one was concerned about...
Anything.
crash hoefler
Products in general.
joe rogan
Just the fact that, and I'm not necessarily saying that GMOs are all bad, because I don't think they are.
I think there's definitely some benefits to some genetically modified organisms, but I think it's important that we have the conversations, that people who are really intelligent start dedicating time and effort to researching what the benefits, pros and cons, and then relaying that information back to the people who grow it, and relaying it back to the public so we know what we're in for.
But then money gets involved in those things, and that's what people are concerned about, and they should.
crash hoefler
Then it influences the outcome.
And then what you see, you don't even know if it was the outcome.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it also snaps people back and makes them more involved in growing their own food and more interested in organic gardens.
And you've seen a lot of farmers markets that are popping up left and right.
I think farmers markets are amazing.
You go there, you get a direct connection with the guy who actually grows the food.
This is the woman who actually milks these cows.
This is the guy that actually picks this celery.
He's right there.
andy stumpf
This is their special tomatoes.
joe rogan
They have heirloom tomatoes.
You get to meet these people.
I think that sort of connection is exciting to people.
And that's the blowback away from a lot of the other stuff.
But it's all because we're getting this information.
And we're able to make our own decisions.
crash hoefler
Now that becomes kind of appealing.
Maybe years ago, you really don't want to meet the farmer.
You really don't care where his tomato came from.
But now it's kind of like...
More interesting to understand, you know, the orientation, you know, how it's happening or, you know, what's going on.
People are more, like the spray on them, the Roundup, the, like I said, ADM and all.
People back, they just, stuff just happened and they really weren't, you know...
joe rogan
They were just caught up in whatever was going on.
But they didn't have a way of communicating about it like we have too.
crash hoefler
The internet really is incredible.
joe rogan
Someone could put up a blog about here's the dangers of this particular pesticide on your tomatoes.
And then you hear about that and you go, whoa, that is not good.
And that's real.
Pesticides kill bugs.
Why do they kill bugs?
Because they're fucking poison.
Why are those plants not getting poisoned?
Well, they are, but it's just not enough to kill them.
They figured out a way to make them tougher.
crash hoefler
One day, and I'm in there, and this guy was in there spraying the stuff, you know?
I said to him, I said, hey, what's this?
Conventional grown or organically grown?
What does that mean?
He goes, well, he goes, I guess if it's organic, it's done without poison.
And I said, huh.
Alright.
So the conventional means is that you go with a poisonous substance in order to...
joe rogan
Okay, let's find out about that.
unidentified
Conventional?
joe rogan
Because I've always wanted to know what is the official description, what is the official definition of organic?
crash hoefler
I got this from the cleanup guy.
When it comes to food.
He doesn't seem to be a scientist, but that seems to make a lot of sense.
joe rogan
Let's look into Wikipedia.
Organic foods are produced using methods of organic farming.
Currently, countries require producers to obtain special certification in order to market food as organic within their borders.
The context of these regulations, organic food is food produced in a way that complies with organic standards.
They keep saying nothing here.
What's organic?
crash hoefler
Hold on.
joe rogan
While the organic standard is defined differently in different jurisdictions, oh, okay.
In general, organic farming responds to site-specific farming and crop conditions by integrating cultural, biological, and mechanical practices that foster cycling of resources, promote ecological balance, and concern biodiversity.
I didn't know that.
Okay, synthetic pesticides and chemical fertilizers are not allowed.
Although certain organically approved pesticides may be used under limited conditions in general, organic foods are not processed using irradiation, industrial solvents, or chemical food additives.
crash hoefler
Hmm.
joe rogan
I didn't know the first part, though.
I didn't know it was defined by cycling the conditions.
Cycling of resources.
crash hoefler
Well, that's what they need to do, right?
To keep the nutrients in the soil there.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's one of the most difficult things, apparently.
crash hoefler
Crop rotation, I guess.
joe rogan
Crop rotation and also when you have enormous chunks of land that are just dedicated entirely to corn or entirely to this or entirely to that.
You know, a lot of times those farmlands become minerally deficient, and they have to actually add minerals to the ground in order to...
I think they would use...
In the old days, they would use fish and stuff like that to try to replenish their garden.
Fish is apparently really good for that.
But, yeah, the...
The idea that that's a weird thing, to want something to be organic.
You gotta ask for that.
It's like, how did you allow people to pour poison on food?
How did you allow people to grow?
I mean, isn't there another way to deal with those bugs?
Can you, like, hire someone to clean the bugs off?
And you have to fucking spray death from the sky?
It sounds ridiculous.
Like, my version of it sounds ridiculous.
brian redban
Birds and animals.
joe rogan
Do birds eat all the corn too, though?
Don't they?
brian redban
Yeah.
I don't know.
joe rogan
Animals do.
crash hoefler
He's got a covering on it.
Well, I don't know who he's...
joe rogan
Well, you know, I was watching some show the other day on the History Channel.
It was actually about history, which is hilarious.
Because you watch the fucking History Channel.
When was the last time you saw some shit about history?
Right?
Never.
It's always like alligator farmers or something.
Fucked up.
But it was about locusts.
It was all about the early 1800s.
And these people were like traveling across the United States, setting up farms and stuff.
And the locusts hit these people's farms.
And they had to send in the army to bring these people food.
I mean, these grasshoppers, these locusts, were just, they filled the sky for hours.
Like for hours and hours, they filled the sky and just flew by and just destroyed everything.
Just tore through people's crops.
And they were talking about how big it must have been, the millions and millions of bugs that must have been in the air.
crash hoefler
They just went straight for the corn, though.
joe rogan
They went straight for crops.
They just buzzed through and killed everything.
They said you would see it as a storm cloud coming at you.
And then as you looked down, or looked up, rather, you would realize somewhere along the line that there wasn't a cloud that was a storm.
It was a cloud of bugs.
crash hoefler
Did they make a clicky sound or something?
joe rogan
Pull up video of locusts.
Pull up some locust video from the, you know...
crash hoefler
What does a locust sound like?
Does it got a clicky sound when it's flying?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I've never been around locusts.
I've been around grasshoppers, and apparently they're in the grasshopper family.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
brian redban
Where's those locust shells?
It's so disgusting.
You just go outside, and you'll just see this empty shell of what looks exactly like a locust, but it's just like the shell of it.
joe rogan
Just the outside of those things.
But if you've...
If you've ever heard of like biblical predictions, locusts was involved in biblical predictions of apocalyptic conditions.
You know, they always talked about locusts.
crash hoefler
Locusts taking the sky.
joe rogan
Yeah, like when you think about like old horror movies, you know, like demonic possession things.
A plague of locusts hit Egypt this weekend, causing some citizens to burn tires in an attempt to ward them off.
That's when you know shit gets ugly.
crash hoefler
Burn tires?
joe rogan
Burn tires.
Swarm of locusts were spotted in several districts of Cairo on Saturday.
As they invaded the Giza area of the Middle Eastern nation.
Oh, let's see this shit.
I can't wait.
It's like previews for a movie.
What is it?
Star Wars, bitch?
30 million insects.
Once upon a time in a galaxy far, far away.
Let's see this shit.
I want to see them invade.
I don't see shit.
crash hoefler
Here they are.
joe rogan
That's it?
crash hoefler
Oh, they're coming.
It's not going to be pretty.
joe rogan
This is not good film.
This is terrible.
I guess we're not seeing it in good HD. That's what it is.
We're seeing it in this shitty YouTube thing via our television.
But yeah, wow.
crash hoefler
Wow.
joe rogan
That's a lot of goddamn bugs.
crash hoefler
There's the noise too.
joe rogan
Whoa.
That's so weird.
They're like the ultimate gang.
And they fly in this huge formation and just cause massive destruction.
And apparently they've done it, you know, since the beginning of time.
They occasionally get together in these super games.
crash hoefler
Well, it's in the Bible, like you said, I think.
In the biblical, they say, oh, locusts, they come in the, uh, that's one of the, uh, things that...
joe rogan
One of the signs that gay people have been fucking each other.
Whoa, look at that.
crash hoefler
Oh, boy.
joe rogan
This is in the Congo, is that what it said?
unidentified
They're grasshoppers.
joe rogan
Whoa.
unidentified
Why just now?
joe rogan
Look at that.
Oh my god, that's disgusting.
That's insane.
People are freaking the fuck out.
Bitch, shut your mouth.
Jesus Christ.
How old is that kid?
She's over eight.
Tell her to shut her hole.
Oh my god, this kid with the ears.
Shut this kid down.
brian redban
That's a lot of bug.
joe rogan
Wow, that is incredible.
You know what?
I might be screaming like a bitch.
I'd be right there with the kid.
brian redban
Imagine being on a motorcycle just trying to get home and you're just like splat splat splat splat.
joe rogan
And this said the Congo?
This is in the Congo?
unidentified
Oh my god.
It's amazing.
joe rogan
So many of them.
Mommy's not helping you, dude.
What is she going to do?
Goddamn storm.
You should be so psyched that people invented cars.
That's how you should feel right now.
You should be like, people are awesome.
Look at the cars we invented to protect us from locusts.
That's what you should be thinking.
You should be like, oh, that's amazing.
Thank God they invented pesticides to spray this guy and knock those fuckers dead.
Can they do anything when locusts come, do you think?
Can they, like, throw nets up or anything?
brian redban
Burn tires.
joe rogan
Yeah, how do they stop locusts?
You know what you do?
You get, like, a windmill with, like, a very large paddle, and you just put it in the center of the town, just...
Just smack them right in the face as they come in.
Just kill them all eventually.
crash hoefler
Put a sheet down below so when you chop them up, that's a good protein powder there.
joe rogan
It's very good for you, right?
crash hoefler
Locust protein powder.
joe rogan
A lot of people eat bugs in other parts of the world where they have to.
crash hoefler
They're tasty.
joe rogan
Locust?
crash hoefler
Yeah, crunchy.
joe rogan
Have you actually eaten them?
crash hoefler
Well, no.
joe rogan
What are you saying, Crash?
unidentified
This is all going wrong.
joe rogan
Yeah, I never got a chocolate grasshopper.
Really?
Did you eat them?
brian redban
No, I never tried it, but they sell that shit at Urban Outfitters, actually.
joe rogan
Urban Outfitters sells locusts?
brian redban
Yeah, they sell these weird bugs.
You can just get chocolate ants there.
joe rogan
I've had chocolate ants.
crash hoefler
Caterpillars.
joe rogan
The thing about chocolate ants is...
You know, they're actually good for you.
Like, ants are actually good for you.
Like, as long as you're not poison ants.
When you're eating ants, it's actually a good source of protein.
So if it's a good source of protein covered in chocolate, you kind of feel like, meh, I'm not really eating candy.
But you're still eating candy.
crash hoefler
I think we put the windmill up after they hit the cornfield.
Then after they're all full of corn, then we make them into the powder and then they have more nutritional value.
joe rogan
Well, I think even if you put the windmill up, you'd only kill the ones that are near the windmill.
The ones underneath the windmill that are like your height and my height, they fly like an inch off the ground, those fuckers.
Like, they're everywhere.
unidentified
Kamikazes.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's so many of them.
There's no room.
They can't all just be in the sky.
crash hoefler
How does that happen?
How do they all get born?
joe rogan
That's a good question.
I think they fuck.
crash hoefler
Just all of those at one time?
joe rogan
I think they do.
unidentified
That's called a clusterfuck, huh?
That's the biblical clusterfuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, wow.
We're lucky.
We're very lucky, especially here in California.
We don't even have mosquitoes, dude.
You know, I thought about that when I was up in Canada.
They have a thing called Thermacell.
You ever heard of a Thermacell?
unidentified
Uh-uh.
joe rogan
It's weird.
It's got a compartment in it that you put a chemical, and then you turn these suckers on, and then you put it down, and this mist comes out.
And you can't smell it at all, but the mosquitoes avoid you like the plague.
So we would sit down outside in the woods, and it was really mosquito-ridden.
Immediately, the mosquitoes come near you, and you're like, holy shit, I don't think I can do this.
This is rough.
They were all over you.
You put this thermosel thing down, 10 minutes later, they're gone.
Before that, I got like a mask on, a ski mask and a hat, and I got fucking gloves on.
I'm like, jeez, and they're trying to bite me through my gloves like you fuckers.
They're everywhere.
crash hoefler
Persistent.
joe rogan
Thermacell, you keep it on for 10 minutes, there's no mosquitoes.
crash hoefler
Boom.
brian redban
You know what sucks is those, I don't know if they have them in Los Angeles, is the Japanese beetles.
In the Midwest, we used to get so many Japanese beetles that would have to have these bags that you put in your front and backyard where the beetles would come in and get collected in there.
It's just like every week you just have this humongous bag of just sweaty bugs.
Really?
Can't get out.
Yeah.
crash hoefler
It's like a beetle hotel.
brian redban
Yeah, it's like a beetle trap.
Just bags of beetles.
joe rogan
Wow.
I saw some video the other day of another thing we don't have to deal with.
There was a hail storm somewhere that had fucked this guy's car up.
This guy's entire car was covered in dents everywhere, as if it had a really bad case of chicken pox and scrapped off all of its scabs.
The whole car was just pocked in.
Windows were broken.
The hail was so big, it shattered the windshield.
unidentified
Yeah.
crash hoefler
If one of those hits you in the head, too, because you're a dad, maybe.
joe rogan
How many people die from hail every year?
crash hoefler
More than coconuts.
joe rogan
Ten?
More than coconuts?
For real?
crash hoefler
I don't know.
I know some people, they say they die from coconuts.
joe rogan
Look how excited I got.
150 people die every year from coconuts.
crash hoefler
Really?
joe rogan
Yep.
Okay, how many people die for a year about hail?
How many would you say?
crash hoefler
Let's guess.
brian redban
50. Over 100. Before I left for California, my house got the gulf-sized hail in the whole Columbus area, and everybody's car got ruined.
Everybody's house was ruined.
People would move to Columbus just to be insurance agents for like a year because everyone's house were fucked.
And so everyone got new cars.
It was so weird that the whole city almost got new cars at the same time.
joe rogan
Oh my god, there's a hailstone in 1928 that weighed 1.5 pounds.
crash hoefler
How big is that?
joe rogan
It is 7 inches.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
And it weighed 1.5 pounds.
And it came from the fucking sky.
It's believed to be the largest known in the U.S. at the time.
Man.
crash hoefler
They captured that bad boy, huh?
Seven inches?
joe rogan
Okay, there's another one that in 1970 that was 1.67 pounds.
So it was even bigger.
Jesus Christ.
A Labor Day thunderstorm caused $342 million worth of insurance damage in Calgary.
crash hoefler
I wonder who's out there looking for the bigger one.
That one's like 12 ounces over there.
No, no, here's the bigger one.
Somebody's running around and there's these ice balls flying around the place.
joe rogan
Well, every now and then, Kansas had this one in 1992. Two batches of severe thunderstorms for six hours.
Oh, within six hours of each hour.
Dumped hailstones up to four and a half inches.
Across this area, including the city of Wichita, surrounding counties of South Central Kansas and over 10,000 homes were damaged.
The hail left wheat fields in a near total loss.
Property damage totaled $500 million, with crop damage at $100 million.
Unbelievable.
crash hoefler
How many people died, though?
joe rogan
I can't find it.
Imagine if you'd be the first dummy that died from hail.
crash hoefler
They stay in when that stuff happens.
joe rogan
They say nobody dies.
You're fine.
You're not a stalk of wheat.
crash hoefler
Doesn't hurt that bad.
joe rogan
Let's see.
I tried to get hail storm fatalities.
unidentified
How many people die a year from hail?
joe rogan
27 people died from tornadoes and hailstorms in the Midwest.
What's that?
brian redban
It says here 900 people a year.
joe rogan
What?
crash hoefler
How many said it's from the coconut again?
What'd you say?
150. 150?
Jesus.
joe rogan
Where does it say that?
900 a year?
Where does it say that?
brian redban
It just came up.
How many people die from hail?
900 a year, it can be a very dangerous thing.
joe rogan
Are there any instances of death?
There's only one here that it says they know of, of any United States.
1939 in Lubbock, Texas, a farmer got caught in an open field and died from hail.
brian redban
Yeah, last known death.
joe rogan
Fort Collins, an infant lying in its mother's arms was killed by Hale in 1979. Can you imagine that?
It doesn't seem like...
Yeah, there's nothing you could do, man, if you were caught in an open field and it started coming down hard.
It kills your kid.
crash hoefler
Ugh, that's got to be the worst.
joe rogan
There's not many people, man.
I don't believe it's 900 a year.
brian redban
Yeah, this actually says the last known death was caused by Hale in the U.S. was in the year 2000. Yeah, that makes sense.
crash hoefler
Maybe it was 900 total.
joe rogan
Well, you know what?
Today, people know so much about storms.
And if you live in an area where you might, you know, you live in some Kansas-type area where they have hailstorms on a regular basis...
crash hoefler
Well, get in.
joe rogan
Yeah.
crash hoefler
Look at the cars getting pummeled, you know.
joe rogan
Hurricanes are way scarier.
Hurricanes are the most scary.
brian redban
You ever see that show, This Old House?
joe rogan
Yeah, I remember that guy.
brian redban
Yeah, Bob Velen.
They still have that show on.
I watched some PBS this weekend, and they were rebuilding the Jersey Shore.
And they were showing how...
I mean, it's destroyed.
It's destroyed.
So what they've had to do is go under all these houses and lift them up all 10 feet.
So all the houses are going up 10 feet.
joe rogan
To make them taller?
brian redban
To make them taller.
joe rogan
So if the water comes in again, they're okay?
brian redban
Right.
And they have to take these humongous, like, these, like, poles.
You know, they look like telephone poles.
And they have to, like...
Push them into the ground like 20 feet or something like that.
I mean, it's such a pain in the ass.
They say Jersey Shore is probably not going to come back for another 7 to 10 years until it's back to normal.
joe rogan
That's incredible.
I can't believe that they're going to do that and make these poles and then just sit there.
And what if the water's under you?
Can you imagine fucking sitting in your house and the water comes up to the top of the pole?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you're like, oh my God, why did I build a house here again?
What am I, crazy?
brian redban
Yeah.
crash hoefler
I got the ocean under my house.
I have to put the boat on the roof.
joe rogan
You see the ocean like slowly coming up closer and closer to the bottom of your house.
You're like, fuck.
brian redban
Why wouldn't you just go 20 feet?
Why wouldn't you just be the one person that's 20 feet?
joe rogan
Because then you'd have to get all the way up there and the shit would be swaying in the breeze.
You'd have to dig deeper holes for the columns.
You'd have to worry about, I mean, I don't know how strong the ground is there.
unidentified
Yeah.
crash hoefler
We had a house in Hawaii.
It was on Poles.
It was on Sunset Beach there, right at the beach.
It got washed away in 69. Wow.
Three houses.
The waves came up so high.
Between Pipeline and Wyoming, I lived in Sunset there.
There's three houses that were on poles because they had been washed up on the Cam Highway.
When they brought them back down, they put them up on these poles, and we lived in one of them.
joe rogan
Wow.
crash hoefler
It's pretty cool.
But the waves never came up that high.
joe rogan
I think they're only counting on tsunamis and shit.
crash hoefler
Yeah, I think that's what that pole thing is.
joe rogan
But a tsunami, the thing is, if the water comes in, it's not coming in by itself, okay?
Did you ever watch the tsunami that hit in Japan?
crash hoefler
Yes, guys.
joe rogan
They're bringing in billions.
Boats and houses.
brian redban
Your house is going to get hit by a house.
joe rogan
You're going to get fucked.
Your house is going to get hit by a boat.
You don't want that to happen, man.
You want to get out of there.
Just don't fucking count on that 10-foot pole.
There's people that stayed in many storms.
I remember Gloria when I was a kid.
When I was a kid and I lived in Boston is when Hurricane Gloria hit.
I want to say...
Boy, if I had to guess, I'd have to say I was in high school.
I'd say it was in the 80s.
But it was a huge one, and it hit way the fuck up the East Coast.
And it knocked the power out in a lot of places.
Okay.
It was 1985. So it was when I was in high school and I was graduating.
That was my senior year of high school.
It was 1985. And that's when this fucker hit.
And it hit the first major storm to affect New York and Long Island directly since Hurricane Donna in 1960. So people went a long time away.
They went 25 years when they hadn't had a hurricane hit them.
And this motherfucker came down and wiped out everything.
And power was out.
And I lived in Boston, which is pretty far away from the epicenter of the storm.
But I remember it being utterly humbling.
I remember we were in my house.
We were looking out the window.
And the trees were just fucking like...
They were like...
Like leaves.
They were blowing back and forth like they were just leaves.
Like there was no weight to them.
And you would go out afterwards and just trees would be falling everywhere.
Just collapsed over streets, collapsed on houses, collapsed on cars.
Just broken trees everywhere.
And just the feeling like, whoa.
Like, you know, I had been in storms before.
I'd been in thunderstorms before.
I'd been in snowstorms before.
But there was something about a hurricane, and even a hurricane that, you know, I was way away from the center.
I lived in Boston.
I lived in Newton, Massachusetts, actually.
So that was like, you know, a suburb of Boston.
Like, man, we didn't, you know, we didn't get nothing.
crash hoefler
Just the residual was...
joe rogan
Yeah, just the residual.
Incredible.
I mean, it was...
I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be in one of those Katrina ones.
crash hoefler
The ocean is so powerful.
That water, when I was out there, I was trying to learn how to surf too about the same time, near death.
I don't know how many times.
You get hit by one of these waves.
The water possesses so much power.
You really have to have a respect for it.
Once it gets riled up like that coming at you, there's not a whole lot going to be done to slow it down, I don't think.
joe rogan
Well, I think we're basing our ideas about what the atmosphere is like, like what the weather's like, what the, you know, the safety of being around volcanoes, the safety of being around the ocean.
We're basing it on the few hundred years that people have been paying attention and taking notes.
You know, how many people have been here before that?
The Native Americans only, really.
crash hoefler
And what happened to them?
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that was us, most of it.
crash hoefler
It was a tsunami, or who knows?
joe rogan
But there were certainly people that died in that way as well.
We just didn't hear about it.
I mean, there had to be people.
If people have lived in North America for the past X amount of thousands of years, like they have evidence that goes way back to 10,000 years ago of people living in North America...
So if that's the case, for sure something during that time, like there had been a bunch of events, a bunch of things happening, we're not aware.
So when something like Katrina comes or something like Gloria comes when I was in high school, you go, wait, is this possible?
This can happen too?
This can fucking happen?
Shouldn't we be preparing for this?
How often does this happen?
Well, the last time it happened was 1960s, so just relax.
Okay, but it can happen, right?
This can happen?
You should prepare for this.
Now that you know that this can happen, there should be no houses that are built from here on out that can't deal with this.
Because it might not happen.
But it could fucking happen.
It has happened.
You've got two of them on record.
You've got one from 1960, you've got one from 1985. Done.
What the fuck do I have to tell you?
crash hoefler
We've waited for that.
joe rogan
These bitches are happening.
They're coming.
crash hoefler
Let's get ready.
joe rogan
You don't know what could happen.
You can get three of them in a year.
Like, the ones that existed before people measured things, they still existed.
The giant fucking storms that killed people before meteorologists were invented were still valid.
And this idea that we're basing it off on this tiny little window that we've been alive.
You know, I haven't been in L.A. since 94. I haven't seen a single fucking significant earthquake.
Let's not worry if everybody's a pussy.
unidentified
Are you crazy?
joe rogan
This fucking thing's on a piece of moving ground.
It's just you don't live long enough for it to move that much.
Because the perspective that you're looking at...
unidentified
It's got to move.
crash hoefler
It's got to happen.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're looking at it in terms of a human life perspective.
You've got to look at it in a fractal sense.
crash hoefler
And there's no guarantees.
joe rogan
Yeah, 100 years is nothing.
crash hoefler
It could be right now.
Time could be up.
joe rogan
Well, just think about what we were talking about before.
The difference between us and the people in the 1940s.
The difference between the people in the 1940s.
And the difference between them and the people in the 1820s.
Add all that stuff up together.
Look at it and just go back a few times like that, a few generations like that.
And that's what we have.
That's the amount of information we have.
And in that time, in those time periods, we have a bunch of them.
We have the earthquake and fire in San Francisco.
We have floods.
We have Hurricane Katrina.
We have Gloria.
We have...
The most recent ones, the tornadoes that won that fucking town in, what was that town?
Joplin, Mississippi.
Like, almost completely wiped off the map.
I believe it was Joplin.
crash hoefler
Was it Missouri or Mississippi?
joe rogan
Was it Missouri?
Yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.
Joplin, Missouri.
crash hoefler
It's one of my favorite places.
joe rogan
Do you really?
crash hoefler
I hang out in Joplin all the time.
joe rogan
Tornado.
Are you joking?
Are you joking, bro?
2011 in Joplin, a tornado struck Joplin, Missouri.
It was a larger late May tornado outbreak and it reached a maximum width, ready for this?
Of one mile.
A width of a mile.
A tornado.
That's a mile wide.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That's the devastation path.
crash hoefler
Oh, a mile wide when it comes through?
unidentified
What was an F5? Dude, I don't know.
crash hoefler
What's an F5? It has to be an F5. Classification?
joe rogan
I don't know what that means.
I just know it means death.
crash hoefler
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It reached a maximum width of nearly one mile during its path through the southern part of the city.
It rapidly intensified and tracked eastward across the city and then continued eastward across Interstate 44 into rural sections of Jasper County and Newton County.
It was the third tornado to strike Joplin since May of 1971.
The tornado killed 158 people with the additional four indirect deaths, injured some 1,150 others, and caused damages amounting to $2.8 billion.
It was the deadliest tornado to strike the United States since the 1947 tornadoes.
Whoa.
crash hoefler
Since the tornado...
In the 1947, there was a multiple?
joe rogan
Yeah.
crash hoefler
We got devastated.
joe rogan
That's a bad deal.
The Glaser-Higgins-Woodward tornadoes in 1947. Shoot.
Yeah, and they traveled 125 miles from Texas to Oklahoma, destroying everything in its path.
Because it was originally thought to have left a 220-mile path, but it's now believed to have been a part of a family of eight or nine tornadoes.
unidentified
Oh!
joe rogan
A fucking family of tornadoes.
These tornadoes, although deadly, did not match the astounding death toll of the earlier event, nor did they match the record speed of that tornado, although at over 40 miles per hour, they qualified as a fast-tracking storm.
Wow.
unidentified
Mom, I'm home.
Pshh, pshh, pshh, pshh.
joe rogan
Dude, could you fucking imagine looking out your window and seeing nine tornadoes coming at you and just thinking about all the times you jerked off and what the Bible told you and you're like thinking it was you?
You know, if you lived in 1947, bro...
crash hoefler
Then the locusts are coming on top of it.
You know it's over.
joe rogan
If you were in Texas and it was 1947, you could convince yourself that those tornadoes were coming for you because you jerked off.
If you were 16, if you were some kid who's just resisting church so bad, but you couldn't stop beating off, and you'd still go to church, your dad would scream at you, and you're in there beating off, and you look out the window, and you see nine tornadoes heading your way, and you're fucking convinced it was you.
Convinced it was you that killed everybody.
Fire and brimstone, Brian Redman masturbating, the devil has sent his henchmen to take you out of the path, and out of the path of righteousness.
And you have to become a priest because everyone in the town died because of you.
You and your beaten off, you fuck.
brian redban
Family of tornadoes.
joe rogan
That's a terrifying idea.
crash hoefler
There's a lot of heavy vibes on that, man.
When you know you're behind or something like that.
joe rogan
A mile-wide tornado.
What the hell, man?
crash hoefler
Nine of them, man.
A little patch of packet tornadoes.
joe rogan
I wonder if I'm correct saying the mile of destruction because it sounded so much better than just the actual width of the storm.
brian redban
I'm so happy we don't have to deal with tornadoes, man.
That shit was scary as fuck.
joe rogan
I saw one the other day.
I saw one the other day.
brian redban
Where?
joe rogan
I saw a tornado of leaves.
brian redban
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Out of nowhere.
brian redban
Dust tornadoes are crazy.
joe rogan
It was the weirdest shit ever.
I mean, it wasn't a tornado that kills, obviously.
I was driving, and I stopped my car to watch it.
It was crazy.
brian redban
You ever gone through the desert, driving to Vegas or something, and you'll just see on the side of the road a sand tornado, and you're like, what the fuck is that?
Is that going to hurt me?
joe rogan
Yeah, right?
Like, they can get them.
I mean, they have gotten them in California before.
We looked that up one day.
crash hoefler
What is a tornado, anyway?
joe rogan
Some sort of a weather condition.
Something happens.
crash hoefler
So the weather snaps and it starts to spinning?
joe rogan
I believe it's like cold weather mixing with warm weather.
It's like cold France and warm weather.
crash hoefler
Is this a spin?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
Okay, let's look it up.
unidentified
Let's look it up.
joe rogan
What causes a tornado?
crash hoefler
What is a tornado?
joe rogan
Dude, this is like education crash.
crash hoefler
We got a cyclone, too.
We got a cyclone.
joe rogan
We learned today.
crash hoefler
Well, we're learning every day, hopefully.
Well, I'm not going to go along with that.
I'm still holding with me.
joe rogan
Of course you are.
It's more sexy.
Black helicopters.
A tornado is a violently rotating column of air that is in contact with both the surface of the earth and a...
Okay, ready for this one?
How do you say this?
C-U-M-U-L-O-N-I-M-B-U-S. Cumulonimbus.
Cumulonimbus?
Cumulonimbus cloud.
Or, in rare cases, the base of a cumulus cloud.
They are often...
Cumulus.
They are often referred to as twisters or cyclones, although the word cyclone is used in meteorology, in a wider sense, to name any closed low-pressure circulation.
Tornadoes come in many shapes and sizes, but they're typically in the form of a visible condensation funnel whose narrow end touches the earth and is often encircled by a cloud of debris and dust.
Have you ever seen the video from Dallas, Texas from two years ago where semis were flying through the air?
brian redban
I saw the movie Twister.
joe rogan
Pull that up.
Pull up semis flying through the air in Dallas Twister.
It was the craziest shit.
I was watching it on TV. I was in Texas at the time, too.
I was in another part of Texas.
Wait a minute, that's not true.
No, I was in Texas during another one, but it wasn't this one.
The one where they had it on the news, I think I was in another state, but I could have been in Texas.
I was on the road, and I was like, I could have been in Texas right now.
crash hoefler
I've been to that part of Texas.
joe rogan
Anyway, point being, I'm watching the news, and here it is.
This is exactly the footage.
And there's a twister.
This is on the fucking news.
And the guy's talking, and you see actual...
Semi, like, tractor trailers flying through the fucking air like paper cups, man.
Like, as you're seeing this funnel spinning, look at that.
See that?
Those are tractor trailers, man.
And look, they get...
Are we logging?
Look at it.
You see the things crackle?
See all the electrical fires?
Because they're removing them...
They're removing electrical cables and shit from the ground and shorting things out.
And eventually it picks up these tractor trailers and they're flying through the fucking air.
Is this the same video?
I believe it is.
Okay, there.
There's one flying through the fucking air.
Look at that.
That's a tractor trailer, bro.
It's flying.
I mean, what does that weigh?
It's got to weigh a few thousand pounds.
crash hoefler
Well, it depends if it's got anything in it, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, but even if it doesn't have anything in it.
crash hoefler
Look, there's one.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's flying through the air and landing on shit.
Boom!
It's throwing it through the air.
Those are all like cargo boxes and tractor trailers.
It's great.
Look at all those tractor trailers.
Just jacked.
Picked up and tossed and twisted around like an aluminum foil.
Amazing.
They landed near the highway.
It's fucking crazy.
crash hoefler
Mother Nature's...
joe rogan
That bitch doesn't play.
crash hoefler
Nah.
It's on her terms.
joe rogan
Yeah, it is on her terms, especially when we're fucking around, lighting shit on fire, and sending rocket ships into space, fucking with the air, and airplanes burning fuel, and cars are burning fuel, and adding to the pollution.
Yeah, it's weird.
But even if we didn't, even if we didn't add, even if we didn't, the place is a goddamn horrifying mess.
Even if we didn't do a goddamn thing, if we lived our lives completely ecocentric, if we lived our lives with organic farming, if we lived our lives in a completely harmonious way with nature, we could still get smushed by a big rock from space.
crash hoefler
Clobbered.
Clobbered.
joe rogan
Boom!
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
Not to say that we shouldn't be, you know, loving to our Mother Earth, and we absolutely should.
Absolutely.
100%.
Without a doubt.
No argument from me.
But it's possible for us to get fucked up by a super volcano even if we did.
Even if we did.
An ice age can come.
Even if we did the best we could do.
crash hoefler
Well, the dinosaurs all died.
joe rogan
Yeah.
crash hoefler
Were they hit it with a meteor?
joe rogan
No, they were using their cell phones too much.
crash hoefler
Too much on the cell phone brain now.
joe rogan
The fucking cell phone drew in.
Imagine if they found old cell phones that dinosaurs used and we realized...
Dinosaurs were super fucking smart.
They had cell phones.
crash hoefler
They had a picture of that guy on that line.
He was in the beginning of a movie and he was walking by with a phone on his ear.
He was in front of Man's Theater.
What was that movie?
There was a lost clip they found off of an old movie.
Charlie Chaplin movie.
joe rogan
Oh, no, no, no.
He had a...
That's what everyone thought it was.
crash hoefler
You saw that guy walking by with a thing like that?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not what it was.
There was an invention that they had come up with for people that were hard of hearing before they had hearing aids, and you would hold it up to your ear and it would magnify the sound.
That's what it was.
And so, in a blurry image, when you're looking at it, you know...
crash hoefler
Yeah, it's like a future guy.
He's on his cell phone or something.
joe rogan
Well, you know, to this day, people have ear problems, and they get hearing aids, and you see them a lot.
They stick out of their ear.
Well, back in those days, they just held it up to their ear.
crash hoefler
Right, right.
So that was a sound...
joe rogan
Yeah, it was some sort of a sound amplifier.
crash hoefler
Yeah, you wonder.
joe rogan
Yeah, if someone's going to do time travel, I don't think they would go to the Charlie Chaplin days.
crash hoefler
Yeah, what are you going to hang around here and do that for?
joe rogan
Could you imagine if we did find out that some dude's been fucking traveling back in time from the future and we get up to the future one day and we meet him?
You're like, wait a minute, Dick.
I've seen you before.
You find out he's Jimi Hendrix.
He's been a bunch of different people.
He's just been going back in time and being a bad motherfucker, but really just some guy from the future.
crash hoefler
You never know.
joe rogan
No, you do know.
That's ridiculous, and I'm stoned.
How dare you, Crash?
unidentified
I'm hoping Hendrix shows back up.
I wish you got Elvis and Hendrix here.
joe rogan
Listen, it was already here.
I got a Hendrix shirt on, man.
I got Hendrix behind me.
crash hoefler
He was already here.
He's got a poster here.
That's a cat that left something behind.
joe rogan
He was awesome.
I'm a huge fan, but he doesn't need to come back.
crash hoefler
Well, yeah, he did his time.
joe rogan
Yeah, now you got Gary Clark Jr. And I'm not saying Gary Clark Jr. is equivalent to Hendrix, but I'm saying, look, there's always going to be Honey Honey.
There's always going to be new bands that come out.
There's always going to be cool new sounds.
There's the Black Keys.
There's always going to be...
There's always cool shit, man.
It's always coming out.
crash hoefler
I'm glad.
joe rogan
Fuck yeah.
This is the best time ever.
crash hoefler
I agree.
joe rogan
Anybody that doesn't think this is the best time ever on earth is silly.
You're not paying attention.
crash hoefler
We're not taking advantage of the situation then.
unidentified
Yeah.
crash hoefler
Here's what we have.
We're hearing all this stuff to keep us happy and keep us occupied.
joe rogan
Calculator watches.
crash hoefler
You know, cell phones.
Tons of things that occupy our time.
joe rogan
There are things that occupy our time in a negative way.
They can take your time away.
But they also give you the opportunity to do things.
It's up to you to decide what you do with your time.
crash hoefler
Exactly.
That's that thing again.
They say, oh, it's bad to be selfish.
And I think, oh, it's not, because if you're concerned with yourself and what you're up to, you turn out to be a better product for the other people around you.
You say, oh, wow, this guy's actually spent some time with himself to understand more about...
joe rogan
Selfish is a weird word, though, because when I think of selfish, I think of like...
Greedy.
unidentified
Greedy.
joe rogan
Like, you know those movies where, like, people are trapped somewhere and it turns out one dude's been hogging all the food and lying about it?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That guy's a selfish fuck.
crash hoefler
That's the way they present.
joe rogan
Right?
crash hoefler
Yes.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
You hear about that guy and you're like, you dick.
Or one guy, like, shuts the door.
You know, like, stop!
unidentified
Don't shut the door!
Yeah.
joe rogan
He runs away.
That guy's selfish.
That's a selfish person.
Then you hear the people get killed by the monster.
Then you find out that he shut the door.
You're like, you dick.
That's a selfish guy.
But there's also self-aware and self-awareness and concentrating on yourself.
Some people are uncomfortable with other people concentrating on themselves.
Some people are uncomfortable with people that are really into their bodies.
They're uncomfortable with people that are really into fitness or people that are really into health.
They get upset at them.
They don't like it.
It makes them feel bad.
crash hoefler
Remember, they used to look at the label in the store, and you look at these people in a shopping store, and they're looking at the label, and these are words you don't even know what they mean many years ago.
joe rogan
Now, everybody knows.
crash hoefler
Everybody's now looking at it.
joe rogan
High fructose corn syrup.
Look at that.
crash hoefler
Times have changed.
joe rogan
I can't tell you how many times I've picked up an ingredient.
crash hoefler
I can't say it.
I'm not going to eat it.
I can't even read what this stuff is.
I'm not going to put it in my mouth.
Are you kidding me?
joe rogan
You know what I started looking at recently that I never looked at before?
Grams of sugar in drinks.
Like grams of sugar in like a sports drink.
One of those sports drinks type things.
It's crazy.
It's like more sugar than you're supposed to have in a day.
crash hoefler
Is it sugar even?
Now there's the stuff from the beets and there's the stuff from the corn syrup.
unidentified
Beets?
crash hoefler
Yeah, beet sugar.
unidentified
Beet sugar?
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
Sounds good.
crash hoefler
Well, you know, you would think it's good.
I think that they're supposed to have been modified or something.
I don't know once again.
joe rogan
Chemtrails!
crash hoefler
Yeah.
Try not to get too upset by all this, but try to...
When you buy the sugar, get the cane sugar, organic cane sugar.
joe rogan
Yes.
crash hoefler
That's what the labels...
Now I understand that.
I read all labels.
joe rogan
Your body doesn't want sugar like that.
I mean, you can have it in cookies, and you can have it in cakes, and you can have it in moderation, and you'll be fine.
But your body doesn't want it like that.
Your body wants sugar that's attached to foods.
unidentified
Right.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a lot of yummy stuff.
crash hoefler
Fruits and stuff.
I love that stuff.
joe rogan
If oranges didn't exist, okay, if they didn't exist and you had to go to some crazy exotic location to find an orange, like a real good ripe Florida orange, one of those big plump ones where it's easy to peel and you bite into that fucker and you're like, oh, it's so delicious.
It would be an extreme luxury.
It's so much better than caviar.
It's just caviar is hard to get.
But caviar tastes like dog shit.
Oh, it's an acquired taste.
No one needs an acquired taste for oranges.
unidentified
I like it.
joe rogan
Oranges are delicious.
You like caviar?
crash hoefler
Yeah, I do.
joe rogan
You're one of those motherfuckers.
crash hoefler
I used to live with some Russian people.
joe rogan
You acquired the taste.
crash hoefler
I did acquire the taste.
I can appreciate the...
joe rogan
Nothing wrong with it, but my point is you had to acquire it.
Orange is right there.
crash hoefler
Perfect.
joe rogan
It's delicious.
It's very different.
I get it.
It's a sophisticated palate that recognizes the subtleties of our caviar.
Our caviar is from a very particular type of sturgeon.
crash hoefler
Yeah.
I can't even tell if it's green.
I mean, if it's black or the red or whatever.
It all tastes kind of like the same to me.
joe rogan
It's dark-shaped.
crash hoefler
It's like wine.
joe rogan
It's nasty.
crash hoefler
I never used to...
I can't really tell the difference.
Oh, this tastes like a wine.
joe rogan
I can taste good wine.
Like wine that tastes good.
I just don't...
It's good to...
A sommelier, that is a real job.
Like someone who actually understands why.
unidentified
The palette.
joe rogan
The guys who are really good at it, it really is an art.
crash hoefler
They spit it out and stuff.
They don't even swallow it.
joe rogan
Because otherwise they'd get fucked up.
crash hoefler
They could tell what it is by swirling it somehow in their mouth.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you still get drunk, but you get drunk less quick than if you drink it all.
It tastes good, and your tongue.
crash hoefler
Sublingually, you're getting...
joe rogan
Some of them drink it, though.
They just go old school and get that fucking Orson Welles potbelly and keep rocking it and keep hitting Sonoma hard every year.
Fucking pound that Santa Ynez wine.
I've never gone to one of those...
Those wine tasting things.
crash hoefler
Wine tasting things?
joe rogan
Brian swears by it.
brian redban
Oh, it's great.
It's fun.
joe rogan
I don't want to be around a bunch of stinky drunks out there pretending to be cultured, wearing your fucking boat shoes.
Get away from me.
Dudes with those moccasins with the fucking, those weird yellow shoelaces and their moccasins.
Get out of here, man.
I know what you're doing.
Yeah, exactly.
Those weird things.
I know what you're doing.
unidentified
Get out of here.
crash hoefler
We used to do gigs down there at the Ganey Winery.
Ganey, you heard of that?
joe rogan
Gigs?
A band gig?
unidentified
Yeah, a band.
crash hoefler
You know, it shows.
joe rogan
Yeah?
crash hoefler
At Ganey Winery.
joe rogan
They have gigs at a winery?
crash hoefler
Yeah, yeah.
Outside.
It used to be fun.
brian redban
It's like a party.
joe rogan
Well, we're running out of time.
So let's talk about your tank center and the new place that you guys are doing.
And what's the difference between what you're doing and what...
A lot of these commercial places that are using these home tanks, there's a real problem with that, right?
As far as infections, as far as safety, everything needs to be moved to a higher standard.
crash hoefler
That's certainly our opinion of the situation.
We've been working with NSF and the other state and local authorities then to get in tune with what's required as far as rules and regulations.
joe rogan
As far as testing the water?
crash hoefler
That's our certification.
We've been certified.
We have a three-log kill, what they call it, which is a 99.9 of all the microorganisms that are infected.
They infect the water, then they see how long it takes to eradicate this infection.
joe rogan
And obviously this is a big difference between someone who just has one that's only for them, only for their own personal use, which is like a lot of these more low-end ones, and someone who is running a commercial business.
Sort of like the difference between your home pool and your swimming pool at the gym.
crash hoefler
I always like to say, you know, it's like opening a restaurant with an easy-bake oven.
You know, it isn't appropriate.
For appropriate, you see, this is not up to us to decide anyway.
All that we've had to do is adhere to...
These standards and codes that have been set up by realistic people that understand...
joe rogan
And you've helped with setting up these standards and codes.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
This is a very important thing for you, right?
crash hoefler
Super important.
It's more important to us than anything else is this disinfection, this ability to disinfect this solution correctly between usages.
Because we don't use chemicals, and we're all tested to do this 3-log.
We actually did a 7-log in a vessel.
The vessel itself generally contaminates the specimen, but we have such a small body of water and such an intense system there of cleaning that they tested the material in the vessel and we still got the 3-log and surpassed that.
But that's within one cleaning cycle without any use of chemicals.
The problem with chemicals now, which is what everybody else has to do due to the fact that they are unwilling to spend the money on the disinfection process, which is this, I told you about this, UV lights, like $9,000, $7,500 for the generators and so on.
It's a lot of bread to get it right, man.
Electrical stuff, see our UL listing as well.
Underwriters Laboratory.
This is electricity and people.
You're in water and electricity.
Scooter McGee said it's okay, or Shifty Williams over here.
joe rogan
Shifty Williams!
crash hoefler
Yeah, who are these people and what it makes them understand?
joe rogan
Fucking Shifty.
crash hoefler
Yeah, fucking Shifty's got us before, you know, and we've heard his story, but the facts are the facts.
You need to go into a laboratory and evaluate the situation correctly, utilizing, you know, methods that are ethical, not, you know...
You're pouring this chemicals, chlorine and bromine and peroxide, whatever it is in there, you're breaking down now this material and then creating a byproduct.
This byproduct then, you know, you're getting in there with it and you're sweating or pissing or spitting or whatever.
Then you're mixing you with this, you know, the ammonia or nitrogen.
joe rogan
That's what a lot of people have an issue with.
When I talk to them about the tank, they always say that.
Like, I'm going to get in the water that someone else has been in.
That's fucking weird.
crash hoefler
Thank you.
We should have an issue with it.
There is an issue with it.
If these things are not dealt with properly, it's an infestation.
joe rogan
And as the popularity of these things grows, this is something we really need to consider because this is something that could become an issue for some folks.
And I know that you're very conscientious about this.
This is very important to you.
And this is one of the main focuses of conversation that we've had over the years is about this need to make sure that everything is at the same standards as the tanks that you have.
crash hoefler
It's important for the people that are doing this to have a product then that is credible, that has been designed correctly, that's had a lot of time and effort spent to verify how it actually works and what it does, you know, and then...
joe rogan
It does all the good and none of the harm.
crash hoefler
Right.
joe rogan
Cuts all the potential harm out.
crash hoefler
All checked out, you know, and documented.
And like I said, this new UL stuff too, the amount of...
The adjustments that we've had to do with the electrical aspects of this thing are tremendous.
We've been working for four years with NSF to try to establish these guidelines then for effective...
joe rogan
Purification.
crash hoefler
Yes.
For people then to do this, because if you don't have it and people come away from it with a bad, you know, how long is it going to last?
The industry, you know, it needs to have guidelines and standards set up to adhere to, then to become a credible...
joe rogan
Well, I commend the fact also that you're meeting it head-on before it becomes a big issue.
There's not a lot of people that are reporting infections, a lot of people that have become sick because of it.
But if this industry continues to grow, the potential instances of people not taking care of their water can rise, and that could potentially damage the reputation that you fought so hard to try to let people know about the positive benefits of this.
I know you.
You've been working on this for a long time, man.
It's catching on now, right?
crash hoefler
Yeah.
It's been something I've been dedicated to with everything I have.
It's been involved in trying to get this right.
Because it's important, you know, that this technology is not overlooked right now.
We need to get a whole...
You see, if it's set up with these little Mickey Mouse second-rate rigs, the authorities are not going to okay it.
They're not going to allow it.
We've already been...
joe rogan
But they allow it right now.
crash hoefler
They allow it now because it's unregulated.
joe rogan
Okay, so it's going to eventually be regulated?
crash hoefler
Absolutely.
That's what this...
We showed you this...
joe rogan
Right.
I know, but to people that are listening, when is this all going to take place?
unidentified
Absolutely.
crash hoefler
It's happening now.
We have a task group that's been formed with both the Canadian Ministry of Health and several health and safety officials here in this country, state-wise, local-wise, and NSF, National Sanitization Foundation, to set up these guidelines.
joe rogan
So they're realizing that this industry is growing and they're stepping in?
crash hoefler
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
We were at a task group.
What was that thing called?
We went to a thing and they had callers calling in.
It was the most asked about subject, the topic that they had conversated about at this.
It was called a task.
What was the meeting called?
joe rogan
Do you think that it's possible for you to make two different tanks to make a commercial fully sanitized unit and make a unit for the home that's less complex and more affordable?
crash hoefler
See, we were thinking about that because naturally that would be a good business sense.
But we got back to the point again, it's like, in order to do it right, this is what it costs.
I mean, we could make it Mickey Mouse or whatever.
joe rogan
But is it Mickey Mouse for the consumer?
Like, say if it's just you.
Crash lives by himself.
Crash loves to do the isolation tank.
Crash is not going to jerk off or pee in his tank.
crash hoefler
Or if I do, I'll be in there with myself.
unidentified
Ew.
crash hoefler
You know what I mean?
But if you're going into some place and it's these people and those people, it's not, you know?
unidentified
Right.
crash hoefler
But what's happening then, what we were doing was trying to, you know, people, they're cheap.
So they're going to say, oh, I'll buy the cheap one.
joe rogan
Well, first of all, people are broke, too.
crash hoefler
Broke, that's true.
joe rogan
It's fucking super expensive to buy one of those things.
crash hoefler
That's correct.
joe rogan
I mean, I know that the equipment is really costly and it's really high-end, but all I'm trying to say is with our last five minutes of time before we turn into a pumpkin, all I'm trying to say is, is it possible that it could be made into a consumer unit?
crash hoefler
Yes, it would be, but back to the liability.
See, in order to get this right and not harm anybody by different things, it's not easy.
joe rogan
How much more do you have to say about this stuff?
Do you want to do another hour?
Want to shut this off and do another hour?
Are you cool to talk about this, or are you running out of gas?
crash hoefler
I'm not running out of gas.
I don't run out of gas.
joe rogan
Let's just wrap this up, because we're running out of time.
So we'll wrap this up.
We'll be right back in about 10 more minutes.
I have nine minutes?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
That's okay.
joe rogan
We'll wrap it up.
We'll wrap it up and we'll come right back.
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I just wanted to give you a chance to go into a lot of these issues that we talked about before.
So we'll be right back with Crash.
It probably won't be a full podcast, but it'll probably be like 40 minutes.
That's what I recommend.
I recommend another 40 minutes.
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