Joe Rogan and Crash Hoefler explore sensory deprivation tanks (SDTs), inspired by John Lilly’s 1950s research, as a drug-free way to induce psychedelic states—Crash’s Float Lab innovations revolutionized the industry. Rogan critiques disposable tech and corporate culture while praising analog durability, like mechanical watches or hemp-based products, which he argues could replace harmful plastics and fund schools (e.g., Colorado’s tax revenue post-legalization). They debate natural disasters, from 1970’s $342M hailstorm to Joplin’s 2011 tornado, stressing humanity’s underestimation of risks. Crash insists on strict SDT safety standards—99.9% microbial kill—over affordability, hinting at future regulations as demand grows. [Automatically generated summary]
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That's O-N-N-I-T. I've always been a big proponent of kettlebells because it's one of the first weightlifting things that I've ever done that allows me to kind of get like the whole workout in.
Like a lot of times when I used to lift weights, regular I'd lift weights and then another day I'd do cardio.
I'd do one day weights, one day of cardio.
But with a really good kettlebell workout, I get a brutal cardio workout and it allows me to get it all done in one shot.
I'm a huge fan of them.
It's fun to do and it makes you feel like some Russian savage living in Siberia back in the 1930s or whatever the fuck they invented these things.
What they are is like a cannonball with a big metal handle on it and you swing them around And in doing so in all these various exercises, you develop what they call functional strength, meaning strength for your entire body, not isolated individual movements, but your entire body.
The primal bells are these new kettlebells that we had.
This is the most important thing.
They look cool as shit.
We have chimpanzees, and then we also have zombies.
We have apes, rather.
We also have zombies.
But the most important thing is that they don't just look good, but that they're 3D mapped.
What we have them is we made sure that all of the kettlebells that you're getting, they're not imbalanced.
You can make a cool face, but if the cool face wasn't balanced, it would kind of defeat the purpose of a kettlebell.
The whole idea about a kettlebell is it's got to be balanced when you move it.
So it looks badass, but I use the Gorilla, and you get a really good workout with it.
It doesn't feel at all like a gimmick.
Even when it slams into your arm with a gorilla face first, if you're an idiot, if you're not paying attention to how you swing on the kettlebells.
One thing that I can really not stress enough when it comes to this stuff, if you're thinking about doing any kind of physical activity, if you've never worked out before, you've got to do two things if you can.
The one thing, the if-you-can part, is hire a personal trainer to show you how to do the movements correctly.
Just, you know, find out.
Someone will do it for you.
He'll probably let you iPhone video it.
And let someone, you know, show you how to do, like, a clean and press, how to do a windmill, how to do these things correctly, and then videotape it, and then you can do it on your own.
And you can literally never have to go to a gym again.
With a chin-up bar and a couple kettlebells, like, you can get ferocious workouts in on a daily basis.
But start slow.
If you're a meathead like me, and you're a dummy, and if someone says, take three vitamins, you're like, I'll take fucking five and see what's up.
You could hurt yourself with these things.
Starts low.
We have 35-pounders.
We have 18-pounders.
The Howler Monkey is 18 pounds.
And we go all the way up to 70 pounds with the Primal Bells.
But if you're a real savage, one of those bona fide fitness freaks, like perhaps one of those CrossFit dudes who enter into those championships, that bitch-ass 70 pounds is probably not going to be enough for you.
If that's the case, we sell them even heavier.
The heaviest ones we sell, I don't know why they do them in kilograms.
I guess that's out of respect to Mother Russia or some shit.
If you can throw around an 88-pound kettlebell, you are some kind of man.
For everybody else, start slow, be healthy, and like I said, it's my favorite all-time method of just physical exercise.
Just, you know, without martial arts being the obvious number one, but just for regular exercise, kettlebells are the shit.
And it feels good.
It feels good when you do them.
You're stretching out a lot of the movements, so it's got almost like a yoga sort of a vibe to it, like windmills.
Windmills are some of my favorite things to do.
Super good for your core and your back.
But again, do them slow.
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Alright, Crash from the Float Lab is here, ladies and gentlemen.
So without any further ado, and no more fuckery afoot, Let's get rolling.
Hey, ladies and gentlemen, for many of you who've heard this podcast before, you're aware of a thing that I'm really into called the sensory deprivation tank.
And the sensory deprivation tank was invented by a guy named John Lilly, who is a scientist and a real freak.
Like a guy who is just really out there.
Really fascinating guy.
And he wrote a book that I picked it up on, I think, like Amazon.com, like the used books that they'll sell you, like people, sellers, individual sellers will sell it.
And it's The Deep Self.
And in it, he talks about the benefits of the tank, detailed construction on how to make your own tank.
He's got like diagrams in it.
And just really, really fascinating guy.
And he was into all sorts of weird altered states of consciousness.
And one of the things that he wanted to figure out was how to separate the body from the senses.
And he came up with a bunch of different designs.
There's a movie, Altered States, that's kind of very loosely based on the idea of a guy like him going completely haywire and becoming like a monkey.
That's how I got into sensory deprivation tanks.
I saw Altered States.
And they were historically fairly accurate in the design of the tanks.
The initial one...
That you saw in Altered States showed what Lily at first came up with, which was like a glass scuba helmet that sort of suspended him in regular water.
And he would actually poop and pee into it.
He had like some crazy filtration system so he could stay in there and not have to defecate or urinate so it would go through some system that he had created.
I mean, this dude was gone.
He was off the deep end.
I mean, he's about as off the deep end as ever.
But his big thing was to try to figure out how you can get the mind free of the influence of the body.
And the best method he came up to Was this idea of the tank.
And he figured out eventually to put salt water in it.
And that if you put enough Epsom salts, your body would float.
And then he could maintain the heating temperature to essentially, what's the same temperature as the surface of your skin, and you wouldn't be able to recognize where the water was.
And it would give you the sensation of complete sensory deprivation.
And he figured this out, and from that point on, till like, God, I don't mean, I met you in, what was it like, how many years ago was it?
Like, sometimes those heating elements, they'll just pop, you know, for whatever reason.
They cook, and it just melted a hole through the thing.
So he had to repair it.
He had to repair the lining.
And while he was repairing the lining, he goes, you know, there's this guy in Venice that makes these, like, really high-tech tanks.
And he goes, you should contact him.
His name is Crash.
He's kind of an interesting guy.
And so I asked him about it and he went into depth about all the crazy shit that you had done to these tanks and what they looked like.
And he sent me to your website and I saw the tank.
This is pre the stand-up tanks.
They were still like smaller, like ones like Samadhi, but way better constructed.
You had figured out how to do it where it was just like this.
It looks like a meat locker.
I mean, it's so solid and well built.
And all your crazy filtration system and everything.
And I realized that you were this one lone dude out there who was innovating in this sort of forgotten business.
This sort of forgotten aspect of modern day understanding of the mind.
I mean, it's really, it was ignored.
Somehow or another, I don't know what happened.
I don't know how all these scientists and geniuses missed out on the sensory deprivation tank promotion.
They should have been talking about it everywhere.
It is a mind-blowing It's an evolution in meditation.
It's a mind-blowing next step in meditation where you instantaneously go.
If you get good enough at it and you do it long enough, you instantaneously can go to psychedelic states.
Intense, introspective, objective psychedelic states that change your life.
They fundamentally change the way you think about life.
And the fact that these people are promoting this, it's not a drug.
It's totally safe.
It's totally easy to acquire.
It ends anytime you want.
You open the door to get out and it's over.
There's no repercussions.
There's no weirdness to it.
You instantaneously drift back into normal consciousness.
No one's talking about it.
No one's doing it.
And I found you.
And Brian...
Created this video Brian was the guy who made that video where we went down to the basement and videotaped the the tank and From from that video on We started I'm hearing more and more people opening up these centers.
You know, it's just, and that, these things help out everybody right now because the industry deserves A opportunity to expand and become available to people in general.
Because it is an important thing to a person that's in the process of considering what it is that they're doing with themselves, which I think is very important for people to...
Take responsibility for their actions and what they do and what they say.
You're free to do that.
You're allowed to be different.
You're allowed to go ahead and say, you know what, I don't think this is quite the way that I... This is becoming actually more popular now.
It's like freaky people that are able to go out and say, oh, hey, maybe that.
And they're going, oh, yeah.
They're doing all kinds of weird stuff.
I don't even know what a Pilates is, but it's catching on.
I don't know if it's just our neighborhood or what it is in LA, but there's different yoga, spinning, all these different things.
activities that people do.
A lot of the crossover, too, currently is based on these athletes that you have contact with or that respect your perspective or whatever, and they show up.
That guy, Jeremy Stevens, was here the other day again.
It's also, you know, you're not getting your endorphins to kind of calm you down.
And I think that the tank represents a level of that in some way.
That I think that it's a thing that should not just be something that people...
It becomes popular, but...
Something that becomes popular in a way where people get a chance to do a new thing that they could get excited about, which is one of the things that people like with Pilates or yoga.
A new thing that they could be excited about that could benefit them mentally, which is where I think we're missing out on a lot of this stuff.
I think yoga does benefit you mentally.
I think it calms you down, and it's very good for you physically.
But the physical aspect and the mental aspect coincide.
I know that there's people that do that kundalini yoga and they have these intense psychedelic visions and I believe them 100% because You do have endogenous chemicals that the brain produces that can give you psychedelic experiences.
Like we know about dimethyltryptamine and we know about 5-methoxydimethyltryptamine being produced by the human body.
So if those are being produced by the body, there could easily be some ancient method of stimulating that production, of releasing some sort of a burst of that production.
And so these super kundalini masters Which seems like it would be something you'd want to do, but for whatever reason, I'm not compelled.
I'm not compelled enough to learn it.
But they can experience natural DMT trips at the highest levels of their art form, which I believe.
I think you just got to get really good at sitting there.
You just got to get really good at yoga positions.
You got to get really good at meditating.
You got to get really good at just getting good enough at yoga physically that you could just sort of fall into these forms.
And then when you're falling into these forms and supporting yourself, in some way, by making your body work like that, you, like, heighten your expression to whatever it is that yoga's trying to tap into.
Do you think you have to do that to people to get them to work?
Do you have to make them wear a suit to get them to work?
I mean, if you let people wear t-shirts and jeans and shit, would they take insurance as seriously as they do if they're wearing that goofy monkey suit?
Would they stick to the company line when they're on the phone giving those pep speaks?
And I'm leaving these guys every time because I just don't think that that's who I want to be doing anything with, is these characters that are not working on their own, you know.
Oh, they're for these guys or those guys.
Who are you?
What do you want?
What's your story?
Well, these guys or those guys.
You know what I mean?
You're working for somebody and that's why you're showing up in a tie and a suit.
Meanwhile, I'm standing here in this terrible auditorium with a bunch of you, and this is what I'm begging for you maybe to give me some of your money.
So I can continue on with my maybe, maybe not lifestyle.
Even though I don't have a flag or nothing like that, but it's where we live and it's kind of like where we're from and it's sort of like what we're supposed to be proud about.
I'm from here, and I'm really glad about that because where it is and the way they operate, I go along with that.
But it's gotten too far now, in my opinion, which is, you know, everybody's wrong.
It needs to get to where the people actually get an overview again, where they start to evaluate situations and then make correct decisions based on now.
Instead of these prehistoric versions of what's got us to hear need to be, hopefully at some point, let go with and get a new evaluation that pertains to where we're at now in the world.
What can we do now to get along with people?
How can we work together?
Even if these military...
I think that we sell a lot of guns in this country in pharmaceuticals.
So you say, oh, I don't think we're going to get out of the bomb business because it's our business.
So we have to figure out how to get these guys working, doing something good.
So we don't say, oh, all your jobs are gone now.
Figure out how we could go in and do stuff together, use our money and our resources to create situations that are beneficial for people.
They're not...
We're not going to make friends by shooting at people.
We all know that.
I mean, this is some kind of a fictitious concept that we can go over and make people happy by killing them.
Well, all you'd have to consider is how much benefit there could have been done I mean, if you're really a pro-America person and you really are a patriot, think about what a benefit it would have been to America to take a lot of that money that went to this crazy war that no one believes in anymore and try to clean up inner cities.
Try to fix Chicago.
Try to fix...
Fix the border towns.
Try to help Mexico.
How fun would that be?
We have a dangerous situation like 100 miles from us.
It's a two-hour drive to a third-world country that's in turmoil, and we don't do a goddamn thing about it, and we're sending people to some place that's so far removed from us that just coincidentally happens to have oil.
Yeah, up at the top of the frozen Alps and at the bottom of the ocean and over here in the desert.
And everywhere at one time there was plankton all over now or whatever to make these gigantic puddles of this stuff that we're pumping out for some reason.
And then you step back and say, what are those guys doing down there?
Well, you know, they're pumping the stuff out of there, the oil they call it, and they turn it into a plastic material that litters the planet, they can't get rid of it.
Or they take it and then they burn it into the atmosphere and poison themselves.
And then what they do, they spend all their money to fight amongst each other to see who gets control of it.
And you're thinking, this whole stuff isn't really that necessary, it could be done without.
Back to the hemp again.
Look at that hemp and what it has to offer, comparatively speaking.
You know, there was a book on the process of oil being developed that they were trying to speculate somehow or another that it was developed through a natural process in the earth.
And they were saying that our ideas of it were incorrect.
But I don't think it was well received.
I have the book.
I never read it.
I bought it and I was like, I'm going to read that one day.
That thing about the planets, too, how they're supposed to be circularized in the Earth, what, the Sun?
Let's say the Sun's moving, right?
So it's going this way.
So now they have us believe, although the planets are circling the Sun, I think that this makes more sense to me, and there's other, you know, this isn't my thought, but somebody showed, oh, yeah, that makes sense.
Say the Sun is going this way.
Well, what makes us think we're not in rotation in a vortex being pulled by the Sun going somewhere?
I think we're on a trip, man.
We're going somewhere.
We started off where?
Where was the sun 100 years ago?
Where's it at now?
And then where are we going to be later on?
I believe the sun is pulling us through space and we're in...
If you just became a fucking softball junkie, and you're out there on the field every day, throwing that ball in the air, hitting them by yourself into a tree, and people are like, what is Tom doing?
Can't wait for that fucking game on Sunday.
Like, Jesus Christ, Tom, you got a family, you got a wife at home, get home.
You know, you're obsessing.
You're freaking people out, man.
I think that's bad, too.
But I think the phone in moderation is a beautiful thing.
Yeah, it's pretty similar to the cars that we had.
I was just talking with a friend last night about how, like, the cars of 10 years ago, when I was a kid, when I was in high school, I was in high school, I was 14 in 1984, that's when I was in high, or 1981, when I was in high school.
There was a 1970 Chevelle that this kid had that was in my school.
And I guess he was like maybe two years older than me, so he might have been like 16. But he had this 1970 Chevelle, and everybody was like, holy shit.
Look at that.
It was a classic.
It's a 70 Chevelle SS. SS 396. Well, think about it.
That's only 11 years old.
It's only 11 years old.
Like, how is a car 11 years old like a classic back then?
But an 11-year-old car today...
It's like, you know, it's not that big of a deal.
You know, if you got a hold of a, would that be a 2003?
Can you imagine if you lived in the time before electricity and then someone brought you to New York City, Times Square, Saturday night, and you're walking through and you see all these lights and all this craziness and the cars with the lights and you're like, holy shit, I can't believe this.
That would be like a really intense sort of a change.
But I wonder if it would be as intense as all the roads being lit.
All the roads being lit.
To us right now, that might be like, we might not be able to, we might have to address the fact that we live in the future.
We might all collectively just go, what the fuck are we doing?
that perfect contrast to the volkswagen that we were talking about because my friend jimmy's volkswagen was like super old school like that lawnmower engine it sounds like a lawnmower or sewing machine yeah oh yeah you'd have to pump the brakes but it was like a really light tiny car whereas the new one like we're saying looks like a like a fat porsche yeah it looks like uh like some sort of a spaceship like an audi or something like that huh the new vw bug is pretty dope looking yeah they pretty much redesigned it for guys and they got rid of all the girl shit in it like that
the flower pots and shit like that that used to be in the old ones like yeah more ones that look like bubbles and it's a perfect example of a car that like shows the improvement of today's cars because the the performance and handling of a vw bug is better than like a 1970 porsche if you got a porsche from 1970 those bitches had like skinny ass steering wheels that were big like hula hoops and you had shitty ass skinny tires like They didn't handle that well.
They just weren't that good.
In comparison to what your car could do, if you brought your car back in time, like when they had the 1969 Porsche, and you showed them your car, they'd be fucking blowing you.
It's a process, and it's a product of those things.
It's a product of this continual improvement, and it's a product of our constant desire for new shit.
We want the car that does 0 to 60 in 3.4.
Because the car that does 0-60 in 3.6 is outdated.
You look at the specs.
Oh, this car went around the Nürburgring in 7 minutes and 25 seconds.
People freak out.
They go, I can't believe that.
My car does it in 7.40.
My car is a piece of shit.
You're like, asshole, you're not going around the Nürburgring.
Like, what are you doing, man?
Like, if you drove my friend Jimmy's VW Bug, that might make you feel better than driving some ridiculous car that goes zero to 60 in two seconds and corners at two Gs.
Yeah, we, like, passed the pleasurable point and went to some weird numb point with cars where the ceiling's like this and you don't feel any of the bumps, you know?
And it's also, the calculator watch was invented with calculators.
We're only like that big.
Like, I mean, what the fuck are you doing?
How often is that coming up?
Except, this is the one thing that I know people are probably yelling at me right now, except people cheating in school.
I bet there was a window.
I bet there was a small window where teachers are still fucking old people who are out of touch with modern technology in a lot of ways.
So there's probably a window where these young little rascals went in there with their technological wizard phones with calculators on, and they probably...
But I like looking at a clock for whatever reason.
It gives me a better sense of what time is than when I look at a number.
When I look at numbers, and it's totally illogical, but I look at this number on my computer, the upper right-hand corner of my computer, and then I look at that.
That's more pleasurable to me for whatever reason.
It used to record in analog, and then when the digital came out, then what they would do is go analog, digital, and then back to analog to try to mix this stuff up to where it sounds.
Yeah, we should really reevaluate that whole throwing out plastic shit.
You see all the plastic that's in the ocean and all these photographs of these birds that have been feeding plastics to their babies and their babies die and you see that their bellies are filled with plastics.
Look, we can get back to isolation tank talk in a couple minutes.
We have plenty of time here, ladies and gentlemen.
But seeing as how we're in the flow of this, I would like to watch a little quick Leave it to Beaver episode just to see how ridiculous the world was in 1957. Even the opening when they have their house and it's all nice.
But it's indicative of this thing that I think we're experiencing.
This thing that everything is constantly improving and one of the best ways to see that improvement.
If you wanted to determine the age of a tree, you would chop the tree down and you'd look at the rings of the tree.
I think if you wanted to determine the progress of our culture in terms of, like, the rings on a tree, like, in that sort of a way, there's no better way to do it than to go back and look at the sections of our media.
Go back and look at, like, the Six Million Dollar Man.
You know, go back and look at the Fall Guy.
Go back and look at, you know, the Incredible Hulk.
And then realize, like, whoa, there was, like, this weird steady progression up to X-Files and then, you know, Game of Thrones.
The media has improved.
It's a totally different organism.
The type of shows you see, if you watch a modern day episode of Game of Thrones, there's not a film that was made in the 1960s that could compare to that.
I don't get...
I think Stanley Kubrick was a genius.
I think 2000 West Base Odyssey was a marvel of cinema for the time.
But it can't fuck with what they have now on TV. Game of Thrones is one of the best movies of all time, and it's like 10 hours every season.
Today's trolls, today's YouTube trolls, could start wars in the 1940s.
If you could send those guys back in time, like the really sophisticated trolls, the ones where you read their Twitter account and you could barely even tell if they're trolling, they're just so...
And then you watch some of the arguments they get into and you go, oh, this guy's an artist.
They would contact you in some sort of a way, either insulting you and trying to get you to respond to them or mockingly in love with you to try to get you to respond to them and then turn on you.
They would try to pretend that they were outraged about certain specific issues just to get a rise out of you.
The longest people were interacting on the internet like this, in this sort of instantaneous Twitter-type comments or YouTube-type comments, it hasn't been more than a decade.
This is a new thing.
It's a new thing for people.
So people who like to get a rise out of people, if you can't do it at work, especially if you're stuck at a job that sucks and you have no means of expression of the evil inside you.
I didn't know these are these kind of cats that that's what they're up to, these trolls that they enjoy making...
getting a rise out of people, which is a bummer when you don't have a lot of time to get a...
because you're trying to get through life without as little of these, you know, infractions as possible so you can keep your mind in a positive, you know, format.
And then somebody's saying something mean or ugly about you and you're reading it and you're going, oh, shit, man, I wish that that didn't get said about me, you know?
I think there's a benefit to interacting with negative people, is that you understand that there are negative people out there.
Because if you don't interact with them on a regular basis, I don't think you'll appreciate the positive people as much.
I think that's just a weird aspect of human beings.
We get accustomed to whatever.
We get accustomed to all sorts of things that seem unacceptable.
Like, if you look at the things and customs that people carry on in other countries, there's certain...
Rites of passage for manhood that if you tried to implement today in the United States, like the weird shit that they do in Africa where they're circumcising each other with sharp sticks and they have to go crawl through thorn bushes naked, like a bunch of crazy shit they make these guys do.
And if you tried to implement that stuff in America today, we would laugh at you.
But to them, this is how they've done it.
This is how they've done it for a long time.
People get used to all sorts of weird shit.
I think a lot of people have gotten used to something that just rages against their sensibilities and it rages against their body.
It rages against their sensibilities because they've somehow or another committed themselves to a safe job that is not inspiring.
And they think that maybe if they just waited a little while or thought about it better, they could have eventually figured out how to do what they actually want to do.
And when you run into someone who has done that, then you see the benefit of it.
And it fucks with people's heads.
And I think there's a lot of people that live a life of regret.
And I think the way our society is structured currently, I don't see that changing anytime soon.
It just seems like so many people are rushing out.
To enter into the workforce because the economy is not so good so everybody's scrapping for jobs and they're willing to take jobs they might not have ordinarily taken because they want the security of it.
It's a very trying time for a lot of people.
But if you could figure out a way to separate on your own, you know, selling coffee mugs or fucking figuring something out, damn, you'll be so much better off.
Well, I think, you know, this ebb and flow that we were talking about with technology and that people, some folks are kind of, like, bouncing back the other way and looking towards mechanical things and being in love with mechanical things.
I think that also is going to be said about working for big companies.
But I think that a lot of these people are going to get this feeling of, you know, like, man, I'm just lost in this sea of people, whereas I can...
Make kitchen knives.
I can make handmade kitchen knives in my garage over the weekend.
Start selling them, and then one day or another, eventually break through.
I got a website from Squarespace, and I put together this fucking knife collection, and now I'm selling them online, and now I'm independent.
You want some handmade, like there's a company, there's a couple companies that have sent me Crestrell knives, Crestrell knives and Vement knives.
And there are companies that did the exact same thing.
They just started making knives and started selling them.
They were into knives.
They loved the beauty of the construction of the knives.
Vement knife, they made me this fucking big, crazy, cool thing.
It's like all the handles, all handmade.
When you see that someone can make a living doing that, and when you're chopping onions with something like that, or you're doing something in the kitchen, or you're using it for camping or hunting or something like that, it's like you're feeling like you have a piece of craftsmanship with you.
See, that's back to that feeling of accomplishment, what you could feel like by making stuff.
I feel good about that.
Like what we do with the chambers.
We really put a lot of effort into the manufacturing of them and the products that we use, the parts, all of them.
Not that there's anything wrong with, you know, whatever.
We use no cheap parts.
There's nothing made in China, not that there's anything wrong with made in China, but we don't buy anything that's used in China for our stuff at all.
It's all either made here or North America somewhere.
We have a few European parts from German and Switzerland, but the rest of it's all made here in America.
Because of the quality.
We insist upon getting the best pieces.
And that was the guy you spoke about, Lilley, John Lilley, that invented these chambers in the beginning.
His doctrine or whatever it is, his perspective was that it was always better to buy or to implement or use the better quality pieces.
A piece of equipment then to create this what it is that it is.
I agree with that so much that the better it is, the better it is.
Just saying, oh, you can get away with it.
Oh, we could do it this way.
It's cheaper.
I find if you could figure out the best way to do things, that's the way to do it.
First class.
You got first class or no class.
You know what I mean?
These people come up with this thing.
Oh, it's a...
This is why I used to mix sound, right?
I do monitors, mix the stage.
I say, how is it?
I say, oh, it's okay.
Pretty good.
I say, no, no, no.
We don't do pretty good.
We don't do okay.
We get it just the way you want.
I'm going to have that in a second for you.
You just communicate with me.
And we'll have it just exactly the way you want that.
Slunk over, you know, slumped over and just tired.
And then there's other folks that, like you, who are fucking crazy.
Who figure out a way to invest an incredible amount of time to try to...
Renovate and reinvigorate this business that had kind of been forgotten about.
I mean, when you came along, there was like Samadhi tanks, and then there was a couple other ones that you could kind of find online, you know, that were made in Europe.
In Europe, it had a little bit more popularity in Europe.
Well, that's what we were talking about earlier a little bit.
On the way over here, we had a chance to have a little brief discussion about the future in the industry there.
I got a chance to show you some of these rules and regulations now that have been pinned up by the various health agencies, NSF, National Sanitization Foundation.
There's home tanks and then there's commercial tanks.
And people always, when I tell them, hey, you should go to the float lab and get in a tank, they go, wait a minute, somebody's been in that tank before me?
That is a very good question.
And that is a question that...
up until now hasn't been like completely thoroughly examined and your tanks like when people come over my house one of the things they always look at is like the back of the tank where all the equipment is set up and they go what the fuck is all that and I go well that one does ozone these ones are filters and like is that overkill I'm like I don't know what overkill is I don't know I'm not I'm not a I all I know is the tank is awesome crash makes the best tanks if he says it should be like this then it probably should be like this But when you talk to people that have other tanks,
they go, dude, I got like a little fucking spa pump.
I got a little spa pump that's about the size of a basketball, and that's it.
And you got like a JPL fucking setup back there with digital this and fucking control panel.
People, a lot of folks, they discuss a lot of stuff.
They read about other people, all these things, and instead of like actually sit down and say, okay, what can I actually do today to make me do something that is of a value?
You know, rather than, you know, the criticizing of other people is really a...
But getting in there every day for me for one hour in the beginning...
See, I didn't even know what it was, but I knew that that's what I was...
So I'm in there and I'd beat myself up.
I'd come out of there.
I'd be beaten up and I'd get out and I'd go, wow.
I feel pretty good.
I could sit down and I used to have a PA out there.
I was in a ranch.
I had a ranch and a big screen and everything.
But I would come in there and I always need people around me and stimulation and stuff.
But I get out of that chamber, I come in all by myself and sit down and not turn nothing on and just sit there and feel actually relaxed without use of drugs.
Yeah.
I'm reliant on certain things in the past that make me feel different ways.
But the chamber now, it was able to affect the way I felt as a matter of factly without the use of any kind of additives.
And when I learned about that, that's quite impressive.
You can now go in and look at you and see what that is and then say, hey, woo, look at that, what that is over...
Same thing because you're aware of what you are and who you are, what you did and where you've been and whatnot like that, but you have to be willing to, you know, admit to all that, surrender, whatever, and then...
Pick yourself up and start to use what it is that you're able to figure out about what to do from here.
And there you are in this box, and you realize there's two parts of me.
There's this thing inside of me that apparently has better information, and then there's this thing outside that wants to get high or goes to go see chicks or do whatever you're going to want to do.
Yeah, self-evaluation is one of the hardest things to do, right?
It's one of the hardest things for a person to do, to step away from their whatever...
Inaccuracies they've been telling themselves to make themselves feel better about their life or their situation and then to force yourself to go, you know, this is not right.
And society has an influence on you as well because you don't want to look too, like you're saying, you know, I can remember certain, I want to get into this, start talking about certain things and people go, oh, you know, I don't want to talk about that or whatever.
It's just airplanes create artificial clouds in hazy environments.
If an airplane is going through the atmosphere and there's a certain amount of condensation, it creates an artificial cloud.
It just does.
The jet engine.
I mean, you should look into this more than anybody, because you've talked to me about this before, and I know that you probably have these ideas in your head About the government spraying things in the sky.
When you're seeing those clouds that go across, those are actual clouds.
They're clouds that are being made by jet engines.
Like, this has all been proven.
This is all scientific.
Everyone agrees on it.
There's no controversy about this at all when it comes to people who understand jet propellant engines or jet engines and airplanes and airplanes in atmospheric conditions.
Like there's been articles about this since the 1980s.
I mean, all it is is in 2001, when September 11th happened, there was an article that was on CNN.com like a couple of days afterwards that was talking about the changes in the temperature because there weren't the artificial clouds that we're used to having overhead on a daily basis there was an article that was on CNN.com like a couple of days afterwards that was talking about the So it's not something that they were being like secretive about.
This is just an effect of airplanes.
The real chemtrail, this is one of the things that I said on my television show when we covered this, is that they're burning jet fuel in the sky.
That's the real chemtrail.
We're polluting the sky, and we just love it because we can get across the country in five hours.
And that's where guys like Elon Musk and these geniuses that want to create these...
Incredible high-speed trains.
That's why these guys are so amazing.
Because if they can figure out how to do that and use the same sort of technology that keeps Google cars safe, and if everybody can work together and make these, we might be able to change the environment.
Like the amount of jet fuel that we burn.
There's like thousands and thousands of flights every hour all across the country constantly going back and forth.
Especially when it comes to certain historical events.
There's a lot of people that want to talk about, like JFK is a good example.
There's a lot of people that love talking about conspiracies and they like to wrap that one up tight.
And when you have these conversations with them and you look at the contrary evidence on both sides, pro and con, it's like, wow, there's a lot of massive amounts of confusion as to what the actual events were.
I think with the 1960s and the death of Kennedy and the Kent State shootings and all that stuff, I mean, as tragic as it is for then and for those times, I think that ultimately that kind of stuff is sort of a reminder in a lot of ways to the people of today about how bad it can get if things get out of hand.
So when they start creeping up on these infringements on civil liberties and people start rising up, that's where you see things like us going to Syria gets shot down.
I mean, you see the entire country, both Democrat and Republican.
That was the first time that ever happened where they had made a plan to go in and invade something and they did not do it because of the voice of the public.
That, a lot of times, is a side effect of pollution, too.
Or it could be a side effect of certain types of, like, fish need a certain oxygen level, and things can happen, and they develop dead zones in the water.
And there's no oxygen and all the fish just drowned.
You know, when you're sweeping up, it's in a cartoon.
You pick up the carpet and you sweep it under the carpet and you put that carpet down with no shit, you know?
Yeah, it's a very childish way.
But it's also the people that were alive that implemented these systems, they're not alive anymore.
And when they were our age, it was a completely different era.
And then when you go back to look at the distance between us and the 1940s, go back and look at the 1940s and the distance between them and the same amount of time, and you're in the 1800s.
Okay, you're in the times where people were riding horses and they had to paint their pictures.
That's how much distance has traveled.
I mean, we really, if you go back to 1940 and you look at those guys that are running the space program or look at those guys that were involved in the nuclear program, how old were they?
They were in their 40s?
Let's say they're in their 40s.
Let's say that they were born in the year 1900, and they were designing and working on all these crazy technological innovations from the time.
If you went back from them to as far as us looking at the 1940s, you would be, what, 60s, 74 years?
But it's just so strange that we're still running on the momentum of these people's ideas as far as storage of nuclear weapons, storage of nuclear waste.
I agree wholeheartedly, but also as a person who's not involved in creating nuclear technology or not involved in any of that, I find it fascinating just as an observer looking at it all like, wow, this is really an interesting scenario because it was created by these incredible geniuses that lived as long ago as 1820-something to them.
The thing about, like, I like a lot of different protein powders, but I feel like the vegetable proteins, I like pea protein, there's a Vega that is a, I think it's an all-vegan-based protein powder, all-plant-based protein powder that I like too.
If it didn't exist and someone told you about it from another planet, we would be sending spaceships out to get it.
If we found that there was pot growing on the moon, and if the astronauts went to the moon and they came back with a plant, and over the next decade they analyzed this plant and found it to have a million different uses, psychoactively, medically, to treat PTSD, interocular pressure from fucking...
Glaucoma to give people their appetite back when they're going through chemo.
You go through a laundry list of benefits that this fucking alien plant had.
What's that virgin guy, Richard Branson?
He'd be sending spaceships out to the moon with farmers.
They'd have Mexicans in space flying to the moon to harvest the marijuana and bring it back home.
Well, I think there's a lot of things that could be done to make people overall, just overall in this country, just a wee bit healthier.
Just a little bit of a change in the dial and the direction that we're all going.
Like I remember Anthony Robbins, who although I've made fun of inspirational guys, I think is actually a very inspirational guy.
I think Anthony Robbins has some really good advice.
I've read a bunch of different things that he said back when I was competing in my martial arts days.
I actually benefited very much from a lot of his...
He had audiobooks I'd listen to by the pool when I lived in a shitty apartment.
And one of the things that he said was that if...
It would take into consideration two cars that are going in a certain direction.
If one of them just has a very slight variation off the line, just a slight, over the course of time, the distance that it goes from the original direction it was going to is vast.
Just a small change.
Just a small adjustment.
And I think that could be said not just of cars that are driving parallel to each other, but of a culture.
And I think that if something like the tank came along and the tank in conjunction with this newfound...
Refusal to accept the marijuana laws.
There's a newfound refusal.
And now Colorado, there was an article that was written that came out today.
I think it came out today.
I found out about it today.
I retweeted it today from Reset Me, which is our friend Amber Lyon's website.
And essentially, it's talking about how Colorado has made more money and had less crime.
Even if you don't want to smoke weed, how could you ever say that $100 million in cash revenue, $100 million is not a great thing, that you get that kind of taxes from your first year, and who knows where this is going to go.
If there was a company that somehow or another managed to plot against one of the most beneficial plants on Earth and suppressed the development and use of it for almost a century.
If that was a book, you would be captivated by this plot.
Could this happen?
Is this possible that one of the most beneficial plants ever known to man could be stifled?
I think that what happens is, one of the things that happens is when anything is illegal and then you start arresting people for that thing, you make a business out of arresting people for that thing.
You make a business out of that thing being illegal and then, like we were talking about before, when those guys are out of a job, they're just out of a job.
So they'll fight to keep their fucking job and one of the best ways to keep your job is to keep more things illegal.
If you're a guy who arrests people for shit, You want to make sure that more things like marijuana stay illegal, especially the DEA. What would they do if marijuana became legal?
And then people would have to start considering all sorts of other drugs becoming legal as well.
Anybody that is trying to get anything like marijuana or mushrooms or any of these things removed from the culture and has no experience in them whatsoever is like a guy who's never had sex trying to make sex illegal.
So when someone takes a big, strong stance on something that they don't have experience with, or they don't have full knowledge of, like he was talking about something...
Study that they've come out with that marijuana affects the brain.
Yeah, it affects the brain, but they don't know if it's good or bad.
Did you read that part of it?
They don't understand what the effects are, what the negative effects are.
But other than short-term memory loss, no one's demonstrated anything really bad.
But a lot of positive shit.
Tumor shrinkage.
All sorts of medical benefits that deal with inflammation and relieving of pressure.
And I apologize to anybody who's heard this before.
I can't help it at a certain point in time.
It hits me and I'm so confused by it.
I feel like I need to repeat it.
It's the worst part of where we're at.
It's a bottleneck.
One of the worst parts is this lack of understanding about what should and shouldn't be happening to us.
Whether it's our government committing to wars or whether it's the people's emails being spied upon or whether it's people being forced to not consume certain things that would offer different perspectives or people being Morality.
Yeah, people telling you what you can and can't do that's not hurting anybody else.
And I think one of the things that I'm attracted to is altering the current way that I think and altering the current way that other people think and giving you a perspective of the paths that we just get on.
We get stuck in these fucking grooves and it's so easy to keep making those same turns over and over again whenever you hit these very similar moments in your life.
And that's where something like the isolation tank is so good.
I can't, you know, I think, you know, like a long, you see, when I met you and everything, I thought, you know, I think I went to, I don't know if I had just gotten back from Costa Rica or somewhere.
I thought, you know, this is never going to happen.
It's just people are never going to get with this.
But now it seems as if these people in general have gotten up to a place where they're more willing to experience themselves and then make action on that.
Just the fact that, and I'm not necessarily saying that GMOs are all bad, because I don't think they are.
I think there's definitely some benefits to some genetically modified organisms, but I think it's important that we have the conversations, that people who are really intelligent start dedicating time and effort to researching what the benefits, pros and cons, and then relaying that information back to the people who grow it, and relaying it back to the public so we know what we're in for.
But then money gets involved in those things, and that's what people are concerned about, and they should.
While the organic standard is defined differently in different jurisdictions, oh, okay.
In general, organic farming responds to site-specific farming and crop conditions by integrating cultural, biological, and mechanical practices that foster cycling of resources, promote ecological balance, and concern biodiversity.
I didn't know that.
Okay, synthetic pesticides and chemical fertilizers are not allowed.
Although certain organically approved pesticides may be used under limited conditions in general, organic foods are not processed using irradiation, industrial solvents, or chemical food additives.
You know what sucks is those, I don't know if they have them in Los Angeles, is the Japanese beetles.
In the Midwest, we used to get so many Japanese beetles that would have to have these bags that you put in your front and backyard where the beetles would come in and get collected in there.
It's just like every week you just have this humongous bag of just sweaty bugs.
Well, I think we're basing our ideas about what the atmosphere is like, like what the weather's like, what the, you know, the safety of being around volcanoes, the safety of being around the ocean.
We're basing it on the few hundred years that people have been paying attention and taking notes.
You know, how many people have been here before that?
But there were certainly people that died in that way as well.
We just didn't hear about it.
I mean, there had to be people.
If people have lived in North America for the past X amount of thousands of years, like they have evidence that goes way back to 10,000 years ago of people living in North America...
So if that's the case, for sure something during that time, like there had been a bunch of events, a bunch of things happening, we're not aware.
So when something like Katrina comes or something like Gloria comes when I was in high school, you go, wait, is this possible?
This can happen too?
This can fucking happen?
Shouldn't we be preparing for this?
How often does this happen?
Well, the last time it happened was 1960s, so just relax.
Okay, but it can happen, right?
This can happen?
You should prepare for this.
Now that you know that this can happen, there should be no houses that are built from here on out that can't deal with this.
Because it might not happen.
But it could fucking happen.
It has happened.
You've got two of them on record.
You've got one from 1960, you've got one from 1985. Done.
It reached a maximum width of nearly one mile during its path through the southern part of the city.
It rapidly intensified and tracked eastward across the city and then continued eastward across Interstate 44 into rural sections of Jasper County and Newton County.
It was the third tornado to strike Joplin since May of 1971.
The tornado killed 158 people with the additional four indirect deaths, injured some 1,150 others, and caused damages amounting to $2.8 billion.
It was the deadliest tornado to strike the United States since the 1947 tornadoes.
These tornadoes, although deadly, did not match the astounding death toll of the earlier event, nor did they match the record speed of that tornado, although at over 40 miles per hour, they qualified as a fast-tracking storm.
Dude, could you fucking imagine looking out your window and seeing nine tornadoes coming at you and just thinking about all the times you jerked off and what the Bible told you and you're like thinking it was you?
If you were in Texas and it was 1947, you could convince yourself that those tornadoes were coming for you because you jerked off.
If you were 16, if you were some kid who's just resisting church so bad, but you couldn't stop beating off, and you'd still go to church, your dad would scream at you, and you're in there beating off, and you look out the window, and you see nine tornadoes heading your way, and you're fucking convinced it was you.
Convinced it was you that killed everybody.
Fire and brimstone, Brian Redman masturbating, the devil has sent his henchmen to take you out of the path, and out of the path of righteousness.
And you have to become a priest because everyone in the town died because of you.
You ever gone through the desert, driving to Vegas or something, and you'll just see on the side of the road a sand tornado, and you're like, what the fuck is that?
A tornado is a violently rotating column of air that is in contact with both the surface of the earth and a...
Okay, ready for this one?
How do you say this?
C-U-M-U-L-O-N-I-M-B-U-S. Cumulonimbus.
Cumulonimbus?
Cumulonimbus cloud.
Or, in rare cases, the base of a cumulus cloud.
They are often...
Cumulus.
They are often referred to as twisters or cyclones, although the word cyclone is used in meteorology, in a wider sense, to name any closed low-pressure circulation.
Tornadoes come in many shapes and sizes, but they're typically in the form of a visible condensation funnel whose narrow end touches the earth and is often encircled by a cloud of debris and dust.
Have you ever seen the video from Dallas, Texas from two years ago where semis were flying through the air?
Yeah, it is on her terms, especially when we're fucking around, lighting shit on fire, and sending rocket ships into space, fucking with the air, and airplanes burning fuel, and cars are burning fuel, and adding to the pollution.
Yeah, it's weird.
But even if we didn't, even if we didn't add, even if we didn't, the place is a goddamn horrifying mess.
Even if we didn't do a goddamn thing, if we lived our lives completely ecocentric, if we lived our lives with organic farming, if we lived our lives in a completely harmonious way with nature, we could still get smushed by a big rock from space.
There was an invention that they had come up with for people that were hard of hearing before they had hearing aids, and you would hold it up to your ear and it would magnify the sound.
That's what it was.
And so, in a blurry image, when you're looking at it, you know...
Could you imagine if we did find out that some dude's been fucking traveling back in time from the future and we get up to the future one day and we meet him?
You're like, wait a minute, Dick.
I've seen you before.
You find out he's Jimi Hendrix.
He's been a bunch of different people.
He's just been going back in time and being a bad motherfucker, but really just some guy from the future.
Yeah, now you got Gary Clark Jr. And I'm not saying Gary Clark Jr. is equivalent to Hendrix, but I'm saying, look, there's always going to be Honey Honey.
There's always going to be new bands that come out.
And I think, oh, it's not, because if you're concerned with yourself and what you're up to, you turn out to be a better product for the other people around you.
You say, oh, wow, this guy's actually spent some time with himself to understand more about...
Remember, they used to look at the label in the store, and you look at these people in a shopping store, and they're looking at the label, and these are words you don't even know what they mean many years ago.
If oranges didn't exist, okay, if they didn't exist and you had to go to some crazy exotic location to find an orange, like a real good ripe Florida orange, one of those big plump ones where it's easy to peel and you bite into that fucker and you're like, oh, it's so delicious.
And obviously this is a big difference between someone who just has one that's only for them, only for their own personal use, which is like a lot of these more low-end ones, and someone who is running a commercial business.
Sort of like the difference between your home pool and your swimming pool at the gym.
It's more important to us than anything else is this disinfection, this ability to disinfect this solution correctly between usages.
Because we don't use chemicals, and we're all tested to do this 3-log.
We actually did a 7-log in a vessel.
The vessel itself generally contaminates the specimen, but we have such a small body of water and such an intense system there of cleaning that they tested the material in the vessel and we still got the 3-log and surpassed that.
But that's within one cleaning cycle without any use of chemicals.
The problem with chemicals now, which is what everybody else has to do due to the fact that they are unwilling to spend the money on the disinfection process, which is this, I told you about this, UV lights, like $9,000, $7,500 for the generators and so on.
It's a lot of bread to get it right, man.
Electrical stuff, see our UL listing as well.
Underwriters Laboratory.
This is electricity and people.
You're in water and electricity.
Scooter McGee said it's okay, or Shifty Williams over here.
Yeah, fucking Shifty's got us before, you know, and we've heard his story, but the facts are the facts.
You need to go into a laboratory and evaluate the situation correctly, utilizing, you know, methods that are ethical, not, you know...
You're pouring this chemicals, chlorine and bromine and peroxide, whatever it is in there, you're breaking down now this material and then creating a byproduct.
This byproduct then, you know, you're getting in there with it and you're sweating or pissing or spitting or whatever.
Then you're mixing you with this, you know, the ammonia or nitrogen.
And as the popularity of these things grows, this is something we really need to consider because this is something that could become an issue for some folks.
And I know that you're very conscientious about this.
This is very important to you.
And this is one of the main focuses of conversation that we've had over the years is about this need to make sure that everything is at the same standards as the tanks that you have.
It's important for the people that are doing this to have a product then that is credible, that has been designed correctly, that's had a lot of time and effort spent to verify how it actually works and what it does, you know, and then...
Well, I commend the fact also that you're meeting it head-on before it becomes a big issue.
There's not a lot of people that are reporting infections, a lot of people that have become sick because of it.
But if this industry continues to grow, the potential instances of people not taking care of their water can rise, and that could potentially damage the reputation that you fought so hard to try to let people know about the positive benefits of this.
We have a task group that's been formed with both the Canadian Ministry of Health and several health and safety officials here in this country, state-wise, local-wise, and NSF, National Sanitization Foundation, to set up these guidelines.
Do you think that it's possible for you to make two different tanks to make a commercial fully sanitized unit and make a unit for the home that's less complex and more affordable?
I mean, I know that the equipment is really costly and it's really high-end, but all I'm trying to say is with our last five minutes of time before we turn into a pumpkin, all I'm trying to say is, is it possible that it could be made into a consumer unit?