April 21, 2014 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Hey, fuckers, we're back. | ||
| Crazy, isn't it? | ||
| I'll answer my own question. | ||
| Yes, Joe, it is. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| This episode... | ||
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| Young Jamie, cue the music. | ||
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The Joe Rogan Experience. | |
| Train by day! | ||
| Joe Rogan Podcast by night! | ||
| All day! | ||
| Da-da-da! | ||
| Dylan and Liam Reznikov, am I saying it correctly? | ||
| That's right, 100%. | ||
| Liam is a guy from the underground, from mixedmartialarts.com. | ||
| We've been online friends, that's how you say it, online correspondents. | ||
| Correspondents. | ||
| Yeah, well there's a brotherhood on the underground that's one of the most interesting mixed martial arts websites in the world. | ||
| I think it's the best one. | ||
| As far as access to information. | ||
| You're the guy who put up the Helio Gracie Chronicles too, right? | ||
| I can't comment on that because at the time I was a BTT guy and now I'm a Helio Gracie guy. | ||
| We're going to have to move these things. | ||
| How are you going to set these up so we can see your faces better? | ||
| Scoot over a little bit that way. | ||
| That way it's not... | ||
| In Liam's face. | ||
| So Liam put... | ||
| Did you get in trouble for that? | ||
| Did you get in trouble for that? | ||
| There was a guy with a similar name to me who put them up, I think. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| Whatever, whatever. | ||
| It totally wasn't you! | ||
| Oh yeah, right! | ||
| Anyway, recently you put up an Attention Joe Rogan thread, which those things go up every now and then in the underground. | ||
| It's usually like, you suck, your mother's a whore, or something like that. | ||
| I didn't want to enable anybody by doing that, but I thought, we're coming through America and we're coming to LA, so... | ||
| He's got a cool story. | ||
| Talk right into this sucker. | ||
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Oh, sorry. | |
| I didn't want to enable anybody, so they're going to come out of the woodworks, the weirdos now. | ||
| They come out anywhere. | ||
| There's no way you can stop them. | ||
| They're sitting at the table with you now. | ||
| Yeah, it's the internet. | ||
| So you contacted me, and I'd seen you online. | ||
| I know that you run a gym in Sydney. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What's the name of your gym? | ||
| VT1 Academy in Sydney. | ||
| And VT1 is MMA, teach Muay Thai there. | ||
| You guys have pretty much all mixed martial arts. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it's kind of like a white-collar academy with some UFC fighters, that sort of thing. | ||
| So it's a good place for regular folks to train? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, we started in a scout hall, and it just keeps moving forward, and we've ended up with a big academy by mistake. | ||
| Well, that's the best way to do everything. | ||
| Just follow what you love, and it all happens. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| By mistake. | ||
| And so you put this thread up about you and your brother Dylan being in town. | ||
| Your brother Dylan being a former championship kickboxer, former professional motorcycle racer. | ||
| And just the beginning of the thread was so crazy because you were a motorcycle racer who stopped doing motorcycle racing because you had too many concussions. | ||
| So what do you go into? | ||
| You go into fucking Thai boxing. | ||
| And then you became a champion. | ||
| That's right, yeah. | ||
| I sound like a ladyboy today. | ||
| Yeah, what's going on with your voice? | ||
| Screamy Richie in the UFC. We had one of our boys last week in Quebec, and we always lose our voices. | ||
| That's why he's lost his voice now, so he sounds like that. | ||
| Oh, one of your students was fighting in the UFC? He's an ultimate fighter. | ||
| How did he do? | ||
| He won. | ||
| He was the only Aussie to win in the prelim thing. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Richard Walsh, Filthy Rich. | ||
| Okay, cool, cool, cool. | ||
| And he's one of your students, awesome. | ||
| Yeah, he was on the Fight Pass, so not a lot of people saw it, but I think he's going to be the face. | ||
| Well, I was going to say you should look up, there's an article about him online if you type in the face of MMA in Australia. | ||
| Kyle Nook, right? | ||
| He's the big guy, right? | ||
| Is he the most famous? | ||
| And Hector Lombard, a lot of folks don't know, trained in Australia when he got out of Cuba. | ||
| He did a lot of his fighting initially in Australia before he fought for Bellator and then for the UFC. He's not really Australian as such, but... | ||
| Yeah, he's an amazing fighter. | ||
| Hector loves Australia. | ||
| He's an amazing fighter, of course. | ||
| But I don't think... | ||
| We're talking about when we were in Canada, like how MMA's gone down in Australia and it's shot up in Canada. | ||
| It's gone down in Australia? | ||
| It's been... | ||
| It's had a lot of trouble since the first UFC show. | ||
| I don't know if it's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| My theory on it was basically that we just kind of need someone coming up that makes it. | ||
| You know, like a lot of the guys we're fighting now, like Jamie and Tahuna and Anthony Parosh and them, they're already quite established before they hit the UFC. So I think we need kind of like a GSP sort of character, you know? | ||
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Right. | |
| An everyman sort of guy. | ||
| Yeah, I see what you're saying. | ||
| Well, you need someone who is like a championship level fighter. | ||
| Well, look, I mean, Jamie is amazing. | ||
| It's not that, it's just that. | ||
| Like, you know, Dylan Singh over here weighs about 63 kilos. | ||
| He did before. | ||
| Now he's about 100. But, you know, there's no one for him to really look up and go, man, I can be that guy because a lot of the guys are... | ||
| Heavyweights in Australia. | ||
| You know, there's no real light guys. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So I kind of think that's affecting the scene a little bit. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It's a theory. | ||
| It's an interesting theory. | ||
| I think if you had a champion, that would immediately get everybody excited behind it. | ||
| Well, Jamie Tahuna is possibly, I mean, a potential. | ||
| He's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, Tahuna's a tough guy. | ||
| There's a few... | ||
| Kyle Noak is also a tough guy. | ||
| You know, there's... | ||
| Who else is fighting in Australia? | ||
| You know, you got Hunt, who's out of New Zealand. | ||
| Oh, Hunt, yeah. | ||
| But it's hard for, like... | ||
| It's hard for kind of like a middle-class Australian kid to... | ||
| Or a rugby player, which are often private school boys, to kind of look at someone like Mark Hunt, who's just an amazing fighter. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| But, yeah, it's not a... | ||
| Oh, that guy's led the way in the way I'm going to do it. | ||
| You know, no disrespect, he's an amazing fighter. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I think, yeah, I think, you know, so you need someone who's like a wholesome Australian regular guy who the folks can relate to. | ||
| Like my cunt. | ||
| Yeah, a guy with a fucking tattoo on his neck. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| You know what I mean. | ||
| Yeah, no, I totally do. | ||
| I didn't know that Australian MMA has started to decline, though. | ||
| I wasn't aware of that. | ||
| There's not a lot of opportunity out there at the moment, unfortunately. | ||
| You know, like, one of our girls is fighting in the house, the one coming up, and, I mean, she was on hold for a year at a time because there was just nothing going on. | ||
| You know, there's just a couple of local promotions, but... | ||
| I mean, most of the guys move overseas like Carl and stay there because they have to. | ||
| Brian Ebersole went to Australia as well, didn't he? | ||
| Yeah, he was there for a while. | ||
| He fought over there for quite a long time, right? | ||
| He's in Thailand now, living in Thailand. | ||
| Yeah, he's having a bunch of issues, like physical issues. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's a tough guy. | ||
| Yeah, very tough guy. | ||
| Very smart guy, too. | ||
| Very crafty fighter. | ||
| He's had a bunch of back things. | ||
| He's had a few things going wrong. | ||
| Kept him out of action for a while. | ||
| So anyway, so how the fuck does a guy who is having problems with concussions, what was your rationalization to not just go into Muay Thai but to become a Muay Thai world champion? | ||
| That's fucking bananas. | ||
| That seems like the worst path you could take if you've had head problems. | ||
| Yeah, I meant like we grew up doing martial arts, both Liam and I. Dad had karate schools in South Africa where we were born and opened big karate schools in Australia. | ||
| So it was in our blood. | ||
| We already were doing martial arts, uncles, boxes, etc. | ||
| But my dad also raced motorbikes and did barefoot water skiing. | ||
| Barefoot water skiing? | ||
| So that was my first proper sport with my dad and my uncle. | ||
| How the fuck do you barefoot water ski? | ||
| Do you want to tell them what they used to do with me? | ||
| I mean, actually, funny, if you look at his nose, he tells everyone at broken kickboxing, that was barefoot skiing. | ||
| Yeah, they used to, dad and my uncle used to chuck us on the back of the boat in Sydney, just at a small lake called Brooklyn, and used to be like, no, it'd be fine, just chuck us on the surfboard, crank it up, and then when they... | ||
| Just put your feet in. | ||
| Yeah, put the hand up, you know, stick your feet in and... | ||
| I was like eight years old. | ||
| And they would just drag you behind this motorboat? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You gotta understand, like, South Africans are what we call, like, white belt and nothing. | ||
| You know, like, they've never barefooted before, but they've got an idea of how to do it. | ||
| They saw a few videos. | ||
| Saw a few videos. | ||
| There's no YouTube. | ||
| So this wasn't something that they were, like, adept in. | ||
| They just gave it a shot. | ||
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They did it behind a smaller boat when they were South African. | |
| Look, we used to ski, and they didn't know anything about slaloming, so they'd get snow skis, and you'd go on both, and then kick one off, and then you'd have to go fetch it. | ||
| Yeah, normally the one ski, you kick it off, it'd actually hit you. | ||
| There's no logic. | ||
| You kick it off? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| So basically, like when you slalom ski. | ||
| Slalom. | ||
| Slalom slalom. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| I'm both a bit sick at the moment. | ||
| You come up out of the water out of it. | ||
| But our dad and uncle didn't know how to do that. | ||
| So they'd just put you on two skis and you'd kick one off and then go find it later. | ||
| It's just that's every Saturday morning at 5am. | ||
| The regional cops have a bit of a reputation of being idiots and they're a little bit different. | ||
| South Africa is kind of a crazy place, huh? | ||
| It's madness. | ||
| Absolute madness. | ||
| Well, where we're from, Cape Town's not that mad. | ||
| It's more Johannesburg. | ||
| Johannesburg is crazy. | ||
| It is nuts. | ||
| Cape Town is not that crazy? | ||
| Well, you just went. | ||
| Cape Town is not too bad. | ||
| I meant Johannesburg. | ||
| I meant, you know, like we were driving back from a night out and we had to call armed response to come actually follow us back to our house because we thought someone was following us. | ||
| You had to call response. | ||
| That's the police? | ||
| No, they said like ex-Congo fighters that like hang around the neighborhood, which are private security guards with massive guns. | ||
| And cars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you just call them up, look, I'm walking home. | ||
| Someone's looking at me. | ||
| You call the number and the car comes and follows you home. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, we're not from Johannesburg. | ||
| I was in Johannesburg and I was staying at a place called Boxburg. | ||
| And I told my other friends, they want a nicer place in Johannesburg. | ||
| I was there for a wedding. | ||
| I was staying in Boxburg and my friends were like, are you out of your mind? | ||
| We had guys out the front with guns securing the complex and everyone's got dogs. | ||
| I was on the phone to my friend and across the road there was a shootout. | ||
| It's basically like a Have you seen Judge Dredd, the new one? | ||
| Yeah, that's filmed there. | ||
| It's mad there. | ||
| You don't stop at red lights. | ||
| You don't stop at red lights. | ||
| But if you look at Charlize Theron, they've got beautiful girls there. | ||
| So that makes up for it in a way. | ||
| Really? | ||
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So hot chicks and bullets flying all over the place. | |
| Cape Town's different though. | ||
| Cape Town's where we're from. | ||
| It's a bit more like Sydney-ish. | ||
| So Cape Town's safe, fairly. | ||
| I had a guy try to get into my car when I was there, and I just drove on the other side of the road and just disappeared. | ||
| I mean, one of the dangers is Dylan came home and he's saying, you know, Cape Town's safe, and I thought, man, you know, it's safer, but I wouldn't be relaxing like it's, you know, Sydney. | ||
| Sydney's very safe, you know, comparatively. | ||
| Yeah, they did this thing on some television show where they were talking about South Africa and all the carjackings. | ||
| And so they had all these different cars that they had wired up to prevent carjackings with flames on the side. | ||
| Like they have these bars on the side of the car that blow flames on anyone standing next to the car. | ||
| That's fucking crazy. | ||
| My dad says, you know, if we go to South Africa, he's driving. | ||
| Because, you know, we don't, if people lined up across the road, me and Dylan or Dylan, I will stop. | ||
| He says, no, you just keep, you can't, in Johannesburg, different to Cape Town, but he's like, you know, they'll stop you and then carjack you. | ||
| The day I arrived there, I remember seeing on YouTube, it was only a couple, it was in November last year, I remember seeing a car pull up Just put guns straight in the window and they dragged, like, it was all over TV, dragged, you know, like four or five kids out of the car, just threw them to the curb and just drove off. | ||
| They haven't got really, they don't really care too much for life. | ||
| You gotta understand, it's like Brazil, people go, why would you live there? | ||
| You've got a lot of potential to make money there, you know, and you've got a comfortable lifestyle. | ||
| Again, we're not from there, but that's our friends who are from Johannesburg. | ||
| We say, why the hell would you stay there? | ||
| Well, they've been there for generations and you can't bring the money out. | ||
| You can't bring the money out. | ||
| It's $1 Australian to 11 Rand. | ||
| So when I go there, I shout everyone burgers. | ||
| It's cheap for us. | ||
| What does that even mean? | ||
| Shout everyone burgers? | ||
| Oh, shout as in like pay for everyone? | ||
| It's funny when I'm sitting here, I'm noticing he's talking about South Africa and his accent's becoming South African. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| As we're talking about it. | ||
| How old were you guys when you left South Africa? | ||
| One years old. | ||
| Well, that's ridiculous. | ||
| How the fuck can you keep a South African? | ||
| You couldn't even talk. | ||
| You were a baby. | ||
| Well, it's where from, actually, funny enough, and we're talking about accents. | ||
| Nobody, this whole trip, has recognized our accents as Australian. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Australians sound like kind of weak Canadians crossed with New Zealanders, you know? | ||
| Because we watch TV and we listen to podcasts and stuff. | ||
| So, you know, you have on your show Jim Jefferies, is it? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| I mean, when you listen to him, you think he's like Paul Hogan's son, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because when you come here to be recognized... | ||
| I think he plays it up a little bit. | ||
| Oh, he does. | ||
| He's from St. Ives, which is where we're from. | ||
| Yeah, I've talked to him off podcast, not quite as Australian. | ||
| Well, he's from where we're from. | ||
| The same suburb. | ||
| But look, he's very funny. | ||
| Yes, hilarious. | ||
| Very, very funny. | ||
| Is he most famous comic out of Australia? | ||
| I don't think he's... | ||
| I mean, within the people that we know, he's not that well known. | ||
| But I mean, he's... | ||
| Every now and again, someone will come up and say, hey, check this clip out. | ||
| And he's brilliant, obviously. | ||
| Yeah, he was telling me that a long time ago. | ||
| I wanted to know if that had changed, that he was having a hard time in Australia, that he was famous in America, he was doing well in America, but not so well in Australia, which I thought was odd. | ||
| Australian's weird. | ||
| If you're an American and you come to Australia, your accent will make you funnier instantly. | ||
| Think about our accent. | ||
| If I say ass, in America, it's not tough, it's not funny, it's not... | ||
| Well, there's certain comedians, I don't want to name the names, but there's certain comedians that get a little bit of extra credit because they have an English accent. | ||
| Like, will accept someone from another country and will pretend that they're way better than they really are. | ||
| And then you watch their comedy, like, American comics, like, that guy's dog shit. | ||
| Like, what the fuck is everybody going on about? | ||
| Irish accent. | ||
| Irish, that adds charm points instantly. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Scottish accent as well. | ||
| Yeah, we like other accents. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck that's about. | ||
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No. | |
| Girls love it too, man. | ||
| Girls love Australian accents, right? | ||
| Don't they? | ||
| We pull it off. | ||
| He says g'day and every time we... | ||
| We've never said g'day in Australia. | ||
| Nobody in Australia says g'day. | ||
| Never. | ||
| But you meet a girl over here, you throw it around, let her know what's up. | ||
| G'day, can we get some beer? | ||
| Are you from Australia? | ||
| How long is that flight? | ||
| That's the first question we get every time from an American. | ||
| And the kangaroos. | ||
| A lot of kangaroos. | ||
| We eat kangaroos. | ||
| Is that the furthest you can get on a plane? | ||
| What's the furthest flight you can make in one shot? | ||
| Is it Australia? | ||
| Sydney to LA. Wow. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty far. | ||
| No, is England further? | ||
| No, England's only 10 hours from here. | ||
| Sydney is 16. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass. | ||
| We haven't slept more than about four hours for the last three weeks, probably. | ||
| We're just not adjusting well. | ||
| Yeah, I've done it twice, and it's a fucking brutal flight. | ||
| It's an awesome place, though. | ||
| I've only been to Sydney. | ||
| This is the only place I've been in Australia. | ||
| I fucking love it, man. | ||
| Sydney's awesome. | ||
| If I was going to live outside of America, Sydney's on the shortlist. | ||
| It's the place, man. | ||
| Yeah, where we are now, I mean, not saying where it is, but where we are now is very similar to suburban Sydney. | ||
| We were driving around, and we're like, oh, this looks like Ride. | ||
| But you're on the wrong side of the road. | ||
| We're on the wrong side of the escalator, the wrong side of the road, we're on the wrong side of everything. | ||
| You know that awkward moment when you're just like walking out of one of those doors, you know, in Vegas, we were in Vegas yesterday, and you walk into someone and you normally shift to the left or right? | ||
| We go left because we drive on the left, but they shift right, so we're both going the same way. | ||
| I'm like, buddy, move. | ||
| Move out the way, and he's like, you move. | ||
| You keep saying, look at that car, no one's driving it. | ||
| Like, we're driving it, and I'm looking at the car, and there's no one in the front seat. | ||
| Because it's the wrong side. | ||
| There was a kid just sitting there, and we're like, what the hell? | ||
| There was a kid driving the wrong side. | ||
| That baby's driving! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's pretty scary, man. | ||
| Well, we were just in Orlando and our driver was telling us that oftentimes people come from Europe or from England or where have you and in their countries they drive on the other side of the road so they come to Disney World, get drunk and get on the wrong side of the highway. | ||
| Well, he doesn't let me drive. | ||
| He doesn't trust me. | ||
| He's the mechanical guy. | ||
| I'm the directions. | ||
| We've got a Mustang so we're pretty happy about it. | ||
| Oh, you're very excited. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you guys know why the left side and the right side? | ||
| Do you know what the origin of that shit is? | ||
| I heard an explanation but I don't. | ||
| I'll tell you what it is. | ||
| The left side, the reason why they did it in England and a lot of those countries is because it was from way back in the day when people would ride horses because you wanted to have your sword arm on the right-hand side if someone was coming the other way so you could fucking hack at them. | ||
| So where did America go wrong? | ||
| Is everyone left-handed here? | ||
| They decided no more war. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| Maybe Henry Ford was a fucking lefty. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what started it off. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| I mean, our whole trip we basically spend the whole time just... | ||
| I mean, you guys in America... | ||
| Looking around and you're driving and you're bored and this and interstate, this and that. | ||
| For us, it's like we're watching movies through our eyes. | ||
| We just drove past Sherman Oaks and I was watching No Retreat, No Surrender last week and we were just like, that's fucking Sherman Oaks. | ||
| I took photos. | ||
| What's No Surrender? | ||
| No Retreat, No Surrender. | ||
| You never saw that? | ||
| Is it a karate movie or something? | ||
| I remember back in the day, the guy's name. | ||
| It was Van Damme's first. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| He went to play Sherman Oaks karate. | ||
| We're like, Sherman Oaks, we're going to take photos. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
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This is a silly suburb. | |
| I didn't think we got Starbucks. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| No retreat, no surrender. | ||
| We watched it last week, man. | ||
| It's the greatest. | ||
| Have you ever seen the Jean-Claude Van Damme reality show? | ||
| Oh, where he does a lot of coke and then whatever. | ||
| His lawyer might not be happy about that. | ||
| Well, whatever. | ||
| He does a lot of coke. | ||
| I still like it. | ||
| His lawyer can go fuck himself. | ||
| I like the guy too. | ||
| But his reality show is goddamn brilliant. | ||
| It is? | ||
| He's so crazy. | ||
| He's so off the fucking chain crazy that you watch his reality show and he keeps talking about this fight that he's going to have. | ||
| Yeah, with the tie that's like 90 years old. | ||
| Well, it doesn't matter. | ||
| He's not having a fight. | ||
| I mean, it's just, you know it, I know it, he knows it, everyone knows it that's filming it. | ||
| It's like this weird charade that he puts on, where he pretends, and he cries, where he starts talking about the fight. | ||
| I saw that. | ||
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The fight to show the children I'm going to knock him out! | |
| But it's like, the way he talks is like a character in a movie. | ||
| He's such a romantic, though, you know? | ||
| But a fake romance! | ||
| Romantic like a romantic in a bad movie. | ||
| It's like he's become a guy who speaks in bad dialogue. | ||
| He's like become that guy. | ||
| Well, I mean, I wanted to ask you about that. | ||
| You know, he still speaks with that accent. | ||
| He's been living here forever. | ||
| So is Arnold Schwarzenegger, right? | ||
| Does he live here? | ||
| Oh, I mean, he's been traveling. | ||
| The show, it looks like he's in another country. | ||
| It's hard to tell. | ||
| He was in Dubai in one of them. | ||
| Remember, he has a sparring match with some random chic dude and sidekicks him. | ||
| Did you see that? | ||
| No, I didn't see that episode. | ||
| He's... | ||
| But they were saying, when we were up in Canada, someone was saying, you know, GSP, for example, has kept his accent on a certain level because it's so recognizable. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I didn't think that was true. | ||
| Somebody was saying that to me. | ||
| No, George lives in Montreal. | ||
| George speaks perfect French. | ||
| I mean, it's not his accent. | ||
| When I talk to George outside of the octagon, he speaks exactly like that. | ||
| He does? | ||
| Yeah, he's very authentic. | ||
| Which is the reason I'm bringing it up. | ||
| I was just wondering if Van Damme's handlers or George's handlers haven't kept him... | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, if he started talking like this... | ||
| George doesn't have those kind of handlers. | ||
| George has trainers and, you know, jiu-jitsu coaches and mixed martial arts trainers. | ||
| He doesn't have those kind of handlers. | ||
| But Van Dam? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But Van... | ||
| I mean, George was just in that Captain America movie, but he really didn't talk all that much. | ||
| It was mostly him just kicking ass, you know? | ||
| It's a fun movie. | ||
| Did you see Captain America? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fucking creeped up. | ||
| There's a problem with the movie. | ||
| An obvious problem. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Captain America knows the Hulk, and he doesn't call him. | ||
| Right when he's in trouble. | ||
| The fucking world's about to end, and he knows this invincible green dude. | ||
| Why wouldn't he just go, hey, hey, look, there's some shit going down. | ||
| I'm tired of getting my ass kicked. | ||
| I'll be right back. | ||
| I'm going to make a call. | ||
| And the Hulk comes flying in and just fucking smashes everything. | ||
| The movie's over in ten minutes. | ||
| All those dudes. | ||
| If Captain America's duking it out with those dudes and they're going blow for blow, the Hulk finishes everything in five seconds. | ||
| The fucking movie is over. | ||
| No plot to take over the world. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| Everybody rest assured. | ||
| Sleep tight. | ||
| They had the Ed Norton one on TV the other day. | ||
| We were watching it in Vegas. | ||
| With Hickson? | ||
| Yeah, with Hickson. | ||
| And the first 45 minutes of the movie are him avoiding wrecking stuff. | ||
| He doesn't even do anything for him. | ||
| Just 45. What's his name? | ||
| Mark Ruffalo? | ||
| Is that his name? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| He's the best Banner ever. | ||
| Here's another piece of American trivia. | ||
| In the comic books, his name is Bruce Banner. | ||
| But when they made the television show, they changed it to David Banner because they think Bruce is a gay name. | ||
| That's how silly we are. | ||
| We're fucking silly. | ||
| That's why we love America. | ||
| We're as silly as shit, man. | ||
| So, back to you, man. | ||
| How the fuck... | ||
| Get right back to that question. | ||
| How the fuck do you go from having too many concussions in motorcycle racing? | ||
| How many concussions did you have, by the way? | ||
| Motorbikes had about four big accidents on the track. | ||
| So four out cold, KO'd, flatlined. | ||
| Probably about three of them. | ||
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Hospitalish. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Three hospitalizations from head injuries. | ||
| Oh, that was just from the motorbikes. | ||
| But you didn't wreck your body. | ||
| No, it was actually all right. | ||
| It was all right. | ||
| So it was just head injuries. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To be honest, we've actually had no major injuries from barefoot water skiing, fighting, racing bikes. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Started bull riding recently. | ||
| That is the worst thing you ever did. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| You started bull riding? | ||
| You're the manliest man alive. | ||
| Look at you. | ||
| You only do savage shit. | ||
| We look like little hobbits. | ||
| That's the funny thing. | ||
| I love bull riding. | ||
| It's a good fight. | ||
| I only started getting into it. | ||
| You love bull riding. | ||
| Well, I popped my shoulder and I landed upside down. | ||
| Oh, dude, you've got to stop doing that. | ||
| That's the first time. | ||
| We had a guy on Fear Factor that had been a professional bull rider and he had just had scars all over his shoulder. | ||
| It had been reconstructed like eight times. | ||
| And he said that anything goes wrong, plop, it just pops out on him. | ||
| His shoulder's just loose as fuck. | ||
| Well, the thing is, the hospital called me, my friends called me, oh yeah, Dylan's dislocated his shoulder, and I'm like, oh, here we go. | ||
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I've been in the hospital on average like 10 times a year for 12 years. | |
| 10 times a year? | ||
| Like, just always little things, just stupid. | ||
| It's always stupid things, you know, but they called me, and I was just like, tell Dylan I'm fucking happy. | ||
| He dislocated his shoulder. | ||
| It could have been his neck. | ||
| You've got to talk right into this. | ||
| Oh, sorry. | ||
| It just has a big difference in the volume. | ||
| It's a bit intimidating looking at it. | ||
| I think I'd be used to it. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Why are you looking at me when you said that? | ||
| That's a black dick joke for those at home that are listening, not watching. | ||
| But he just complimented me, so I'm sweet with that. | ||
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I get it. | |
| The first thing I did was, I was like, fuck you. | ||
| I was basically just like, fuck you. | ||
| Because we were in the academy together. | ||
| I said, fuck you. | ||
| You discade your shoulder. | ||
| You're lucky it wasn't your neck. | ||
| Hung up the phone. | ||
| I'm not even going to deal with it because I'm just like, I'm glad you did it. | ||
| Why are you boat riding? | ||
| Look, I retired from fighting about a year ago, a year and a half ago, and been living in Thailand on and off for a long time. | ||
| And it's a very hard thing for people that are like, you know, eight, nine, ten years in their career. | ||
| I mean, look at John Wayne Parr, who's actually a good friend of mine. | ||
| Yeah, I love that too. | ||
| Great guy. | ||
| And you couldn't say one bad thing about him. | ||
| He's a sweetheart. | ||
| Great fighter, great guy. | ||
| Really good guy. | ||
| You've got to get him on the show. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| He's so funny. | ||
| I met him for the first time about a year ago when he came to the UFC. I got him tickets for the fights. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| Big fan. | ||
| I wanted to ask you a question about being a celebrity of sorts. | ||
| I mean, you are a celebrity, I guess. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I don't know what I'm talking about. | ||
| Aussies don't like to recognize celebrities to some degree. | ||
| They feel embarrassed. | ||
| But one thing I was going to say is, looking on the internet, I want to know how you deal with this. | ||
| And I'm taking it off topic again, sorry. | ||
| But some guy comes up to me the other day and he's like, Wayne Parr, yeah, I hear he's all fake and he's a dick and this and that. | ||
| Now, he's absolutely not fake. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| He got up at 9am hungover to treat one of our students to pads. | ||
| He's the genuinely nicest dude I've ever met, right? | ||
| Yes, I agree. | ||
| But it just seems like you can't be a celebrity without some dick just shutting you down, making shit up about you. | ||
| Well, eventually you realize that the only type of people that would do that, they would attack you for no reason. | ||
| Are idiots. | ||
| So if you're going to live your life worrying about idiots or worrying about bitter, negative people, some people are actually smart. | ||
| Some people will attack you and they're smart and they write these scathing, negative things about you that are not true, not based on reality. | ||
| They make these judgments of you. | ||
| They decide how you think and they flavor you and their posts, whether it's a message board post or a blog post, but they're just negative people. | ||
| There's a real problem with being able to post on the internet. | ||
| Whether it's posting on a message forum or whether it's making a blog. | ||
| And that problem is you're not interacting. | ||
| You're just putting out a thing, which is fine. | ||
| There's good to that because you could read things that people write, whether it's a blog post or a message board forum post like on the underground. | ||
| That can be very informative and fascinating. | ||
| But also you can decide to, like, you know, Liam is obsessed with himself. | ||
| His ideas are bullshit. | ||
| His ideas are... | ||
| And you can just go on and on and on with all this ad hominems and all these fallacies about a person. | ||
| And the person's not there to respond. | ||
| And so if that person reads it, like, no, I'm not. | ||
| What the fuck, asshole? | ||
| But this is not a conversation. | ||
| And those kind of interactions would never take place if someone was in front of you. | ||
| If they were in front of John Wayne Parley, John Wayne Parley's fake, he's bullshit. | ||
| And John Wayne Parley, what are you talking about, mate? | ||
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I'm right here. | |
| Fake, I'm right here. | ||
| They just wouldn't say it to him. | ||
| Well, they wouldn't say it to him. | ||
| And even if they did, he'd be like, okay, well, how am I fake? | ||
| Explain how I'm fake. | ||
| And he'd be like, well, I've never done that. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| He's a nice guy. | ||
| He'd probably just be like, oh, that's your problem, mate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wouldn't even react. | ||
| And he's a self-actualized, you know, he's got personal sovereignty. | ||
| He doesn't need a fucking idiot's opinion of him to define him. | ||
| But people will try to define you. | ||
| And they'll try to define you in a bunch of ways. | ||
| But most of the time, the reason why they try to define you is because they're failures. | ||
| Whether they're personal failures, whether they're professional failures... | ||
| They're failures at life in some way, shape, or form. | ||
| If they don't have a real interaction... | ||
| You didn't steal from them. | ||
| You didn't do anything to them personally. | ||
| If they don't have a real beef with you, they just decide to start attacking you. | ||
| Almost always, it's because they're losers. | ||
| So you're dealing with a pool of people that are almost all failures. | ||
| What they see in you, whether it's John Wayne Parr... | ||
| Look, John Wayne Parr is a multiple-time world champion. | ||
| I mean, he's a... | ||
| He's a bonafide bad motherfucker. | ||
| I mean, he's a guy that, look at him, there he is right there. | ||
| And George St. Pierre brought him in to help him with his kickboxing. | ||
| I mean, he's just, he's as legit as they get. | ||
| I mean, look at that fucking stack of belts! | ||
| Well, a guy who sees a guy like that, and you know, men measure themselves against other men. | ||
| They don't like it. | ||
| Imagine his eBay store. | ||
| I have had fucking conversation with someone like, hey, what's up? | ||
| Hey, how you doing? | ||
| And then fucking that one person will tell someone else some 20-minute story about what a douche I was because I didn't say, hey, what's up, the right way. | ||
| You know, people just decide that they're going to define you because defining you in a negative way somehow or another makes them feel less bad about how they compare themselves to you. | ||
| If you compare themselves to a guy like John Wayne Parr, they come up short. | ||
| I mean, he's a fucking savage. | ||
| He's a rare human being. | ||
| So you compare yourself to him. | ||
| You don't like it. | ||
| Hey, that guy's a fucking fake. | ||
| He's a this, he's a that. | ||
| People love to just chop people down. | ||
| It's that crabs in a bucket mentality. | ||
| You know what crabs in a bucket is? | ||
| Put a bunch of crabs in a bucket. | ||
| They can never get out of that bucket. | ||
| Because as they're trying to get out of the bucket, the other crabs pull on them and drag them down. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| Well, he actually, I mean, you can talk about it instead of me asking you, but I mean, for a fighter, it must be terrible because you can get knocked out and you look silly when you're knocked out. | ||
| I mean, not silly, but I mean, it's not a nice moment, right? | ||
| There's a video of a guy coming up to Rashad Evans with a photograph of when Lyoto Machida knocked him out. | ||
| You know that famous photo? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, of course. | ||
| Because he got really knocked out and he was unconscious. | ||
| The guy was asking Rashad to sign it with a big smile on his face. | ||
| What a dick. | ||
| Well, you stopped going on the internet after a while, didn't you? | ||
| Yeah, I had him just writing for me, man. | ||
| How's his publicist? | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| I just stick off the internet. | ||
| And the other problem is this anonymity. | ||
| The ability to post something as, you know, jickfuck69, and you make some fake name up, and you could just say the meanest shit about somebody, you know, instead of, like, a photo of you, and here's my background, this is where I went to school, this is what I've accomplished in my life, and this is what I think about Dylan. | ||
| Instead of saying that, you just post some nonsense, some fake account or fake name rather. | ||
| Anonymity with sensitive information and insults just doesn't work that way. | ||
| The thing about insulting someone, if you define someone, insult someone, most of the time there's an evaluation process during that insulting. | ||
| If someone's a... | ||
| Fucking 300 pound guy who just shit his pants and he's calling you a loser. | ||
| It's really difficult to take him seriously. | ||
| It's like, oh, I'm a loser. | ||
| But if someone's an anonymous poster online, all that evaluation kind of goes away. | ||
| It's like, do you take that person's opinion seriously? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It must be terrible for fighters. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Look at the underground. | ||
| How many fucking pros post on the underground? | ||
| Where's the last time you saw John Jones posting on the underground? | ||
| A lot of them lurk, they go in, they creep around, they look, but when they post, just so many fucking assholes. | ||
| I mean, Tito Ortiz is probably one of the last guys that stopped posting, but even he gave up after a while. | ||
| How many times can you hear people... | ||
| Anonymous 14 year olds just shit all over you. | ||
| But I treat it like snake venom. | ||
| And I feel like you get bit by a snake and you can really get fucked up. | ||
| But if you get bit by a little bit of snake venom every day, you get immune to it. | ||
| Let's go ahead and kick in. | ||
| That's how I look at it, personally. | ||
| But it's just a side effect of this stage of interaction. | ||
| Because there's not going to be any anonymity within the next decade or two decades or whatever it's going to be. | ||
| Enjoy your privacy and your freedom now, because it's not going to exist 20 years, 30 years from now. | ||
| It's just not. | ||
| It's a good thing, right? | ||
| Yeah, in a way... | ||
| I mean, for a guy like me, it's normal because I'm already not anonymous. | ||
| I'm already out there. | ||
| But I think everyone's going to be out there like that. | ||
| People are going to pretty much know as much about you as is humanly possible. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's coming on the show. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| We talked a lot about this. | ||
| And one of the projects we're doing... | ||
| The growing down one is with a psychologist. | ||
| We were talking about it and being on the show and stuff. | ||
| We've got a business that we teach kids. | ||
| We teach adults and we teach a lot of sensitive people in a white collar area. | ||
| The psychologist friend of mine, Jonathan Back, he's on the other show. | ||
| It took him a while to open up a little bit because he was worried... | ||
| People get a lot of information about you on these things. | ||
| They can judge you, they can use it against you, this and that. | ||
| Especially if you're somebody who likes to talk like we do, or I suppose you do as well, and just give opinions and think and shout things out. | ||
| It seems like it might be a little bit dangerous. | ||
| What did you write there? | ||
| It looks like a dick. | ||
| What did you write? | ||
| We're just worrying about the effect of what you say can have in a public scene, whereas if you're at a bar, you can say whatever you want, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, yeah, there's definitely going to be a lot of people that judge your thoughts and your opinions and how you express yourself. | ||
| But at the end of the day, it forces you to evaluate your thoughts and your opinions and how you express yourself. | ||
| And you, you know, you have to... | ||
| You have to own your words and you have to mean what you say and say what you mean. | ||
| And once you do that, you're like, I'm comfortable with it. | ||
| There's not a single thing I've ever said on this podcast that I feel like, man, I really fucked up when I said that because now people have a different opinion of me. | ||
| My opinions that I say on the podcast are well thought out and I'm lucky that I started it later in my life. | ||
| I didn't do a podcast when I was 20 when I was a fucking idiot. | ||
| I think back on that, like, God damn it. | ||
| If there was podcasts from when I was 20, oh my God, you could hold it against me to the end of time. | ||
| Because we all learn, you have to be, if you're going to be out there and you're going to take chances, you're going to fuck up. | ||
| And you're going to fuck up socially, intellectually, along the ways. | ||
| The only way a person learns is by trial and error. | ||
| Trial and error and absorbing information from other sources. | ||
| Those are the way. | ||
| You learn on your own, by your own failures and your attempts at, you know, Accomplishing things that you're not really qualified to do, and then you learn from other people's information and from other people's failures. | ||
| That's what we do. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| But when you fail online, man, you know, I mean, how many fucking knockout animated GIFs have you seen? | ||
| I mean, for the longest time, remember that guy Fred Eddish? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That poor fucking guy was tortured. | ||
| Fred Eddish is a guy who fought in UFC 1, and he fought Johnny Rhodes, and Johnny Rhodes beat him down, and there was a guy who started a website called the Fred Eddish Fetal Fighting Style. | ||
| Because he curled up in a fetal position while Johnny Rhodes was beating him down. | ||
| So they were torturing this fucking guy. | ||
| And he's fought again since then, right? | ||
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Yes. | |
| He fought MMA. Well, he learned jiu-jitsu. | ||
| He became a real MMA fighter. | ||
| I think he fought more than once. | ||
| But he's a legitimate martial artist. | ||
| Like a lot of us back then, before the UFC came along, he didn't understand what real fighting was about. | ||
| He thought that his karate was enough. | ||
| When I was doing Taekwondo, if the UFC had been around when I had only done Taekwondo, I probably would have thought that Taekwondo was enough, and somebody would have taken me down and strangled me. | ||
| When I first went into kickboxing, it was a huge realization to me that I thought that Taekwondo was enough, and then I was getting my face punched in. | ||
| I was like, oh my god, there's so many holes in this style. | ||
| And then I started Muay Thai, and I'm like, oh goddammit, kicking the legs! | ||
| And then it was jiu-jitsu. | ||
| I was like, oh, well, fucking Christ. | ||
| I've spent all this time doing this one style that I thought was sufficient. | ||
| But that's what the UFC was all about. | ||
| It was exposing the world to the effectiveness of real martial arts. | ||
| I'm laughing because I ended up doing jiu-jitsu extensively, and he did Muay Thai, but he ended up doing jiu-jitsu because every time we get in an argument over MIRC, jiu-jitsu would win. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Take him down and strangle him. | ||
| My mom wasn't very happy about it. | ||
| Well, most people have no idea how helpless they are on the ground until it happens. | ||
| You have all these ideas and, you know, Dana White and I had this conversation the other day. | ||
| He used to joke around about it, but he used to always think, if a guy tries to take me down, I'm fucking hit him with an uppercut and do this and do that. | ||
| Dana says that. | ||
| In the old days. | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| That's how he used to think. | ||
| Not now. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's like, I really thought that before we went, you know, we owned the UFC, before I started, you know, learning about mixed martial arts. | ||
| It's like we laugh about it because everyone has these preconceived notions. | ||
| You don't realize how helpless you are until you actually do it. | ||
| Well, he's got a bouncer to hit you now, so I'm going to, a bodyguard to hit you. | ||
| Well, nobody's hitting anyway. | ||
| He's a sweetheart. | ||
| Danny's one of the nicest guys ever. | ||
| He does seem like I am. | ||
| The point is that most people have no idea how helpless they really are until they actually roll. | ||
| Yeah, he pursued jiu-jitsu quite seriously for a while as a result. | ||
| You know how frustrating he is? | ||
| I'm like, let him get the hell off the computer and he just takes me down and chokes me out. | ||
| It's too easy, right? | ||
| It's fucking frustrating. | ||
| I took it up quick, man. | ||
| You come back! | ||
| It gets you mad. | ||
| You can't just, like, nail your brother in the face. | ||
| No. | ||
| You try. | ||
| I try it. | ||
| Well, I've tried once. | ||
| Well, at least you're a martial artist, though. | ||
| The really crazy thing is when you get someone who has no martial arts experience whatsoever, and, you know, you go, okay, lie on top of me and try to keep me from strangling you. | ||
| Ready, set, go. | ||
| And they'll try to, like, hold you in place, and then the next thing you know. | ||
| Hold their breath. | ||
| Yeah, it takes, like, fucking ten seconds, though. | ||
| All of a sudden, they're essentially a dead man. | ||
| That's the beautiful thing about jiu-jitsu, and that's what jiu-jitsu showed the world. | ||
| But these poor guys like Fred Eddish and these poor guys that had to... | ||
| They had to be the reason why we learned. | ||
| We had to see these guys learn. | ||
| We had to see these guys get taken down. | ||
| Art Jimerson with his boxing and one glove on. | ||
| We had to see these guys getting taken down. | ||
| Art Jimerson wants a rematch with Hoist Gracie. | ||
| I could talk to him recently about it. | ||
| He's a bit kind of shaky. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Taking a few of those. | ||
| But in Thailand, it's funny. | ||
| It's getting a bit better now, but every time we'd go, there were a couple of places like Supra that had a cage and the Thais would be like, yeah, I'm going to fight MMA soon. | ||
| I've got a big heart, you know, and clinch. | ||
| Their clinch is ridiculous. | ||
| But when you hit the ground, they don't have the ability to relax. | ||
| They don't really get it yet, which is a shame. | ||
| Well, it's a very different thing, especially Muay Thai or any kind of striking, going from striking to grappling. | ||
| I've seen friends that are good boxers, and they've got very good endurance, like hitting the pads. | ||
| They can hit the bag for five, six rounds, no problem. | ||
| They roll for a minute, and they're exhausted. | ||
| They just don't understand. | ||
| It's a totally different style of moving, conserving your energy. | ||
| It's just a... | ||
| But, you know, those guys, man, we owe such a huge debt of gratitude to the original UFC fighters because they showed us. | ||
| With their own humiliation in their losses, you know, and even guys who are like badasses like Orlando Veet. | ||
| Remember that guy? | ||
| I know. | ||
| That Muay Thai guy? | ||
| He's a fucking animal, man. | ||
| The commentator says, oh, he'll be out of this shortly. | ||
| He's unconscious. | ||
| Yeah, Remco Pardue elbowed him into another universe. | ||
| That was a horrific knockout, too, because he was trapped under this giant judo guy who's just smashing him with elbows in his head, and his head is stuck there. | ||
| He's just... | ||
| This huge judo guy just crushing him. | ||
| And then he gets crushed by Marco Huas and Hoist Gracie and all these other people. | ||
| We learned, we really learned what real fighting is. | ||
| So many of us had all these... | ||
| Crazy ideas of what fighting was. | ||
| I think I was like 12 and I was in England. | ||
| Oh, in England, yeah. | ||
| I went to England just on holiday with the family and Liam said, listen man, Dylan, you've got to get me this crazy cage fighting. | ||
| It's illegal in Australia. | ||
| you couldn't actually buy it in Australia. | ||
| No, it was UFC 1. | ||
| No, it was 3. | ||
| And I bought it back. | ||
| 2 was the first one that came out on video. | ||
| What year was this? | ||
| We watched it in about 95, I think, but it was definitely 3 because Hoist, I was expecting Hoist to smash everybody and then he pulled out. | ||
| So it was the first one we ever watched. | ||
| Yeah, it was too. | ||
| Because in Australia we just didn't have access. | ||
| We used to trade VHS tapes overseas. | ||
| That was the only way we could do it. | ||
| Was that one of your businesses for a while? | ||
| Yeah, well in high school I couldn't get hold of it. | ||
| So I had this UFC 3 tape and then I legally sent it overseas to trade it with somebody. | ||
| So I had two tapes and then we had three tapes and then I'd trade three and I'd have three tapes, six tapes, etc. | ||
| But I remember we watched it and we waited until everybody went downstairs because we thought someone was going to die. | ||
| So we were huddled around the thing, we pushed play, and of course nobody died. | ||
| There's no Google, nothing back there. | ||
| Well, they could have though, man, because the medical test they did on those guys was fucking nothing, man. | ||
| You know, there was nothing going on, they just threw people in there and hoped they survived. | ||
| And Joe Sun looks like he probably has been messing around on a corner a little bit. | ||
| Well, you know Joe Son's in jail now. | ||
| Yeah, he murdered someone now. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, he murdered someone in jail, but he went to jail because he was a part of a gang rape. | ||
| Yeah, they did a... | ||
| I don't know what happened. | ||
| He got arrested for something else, and they matched his DNA sample with an unsolved gang rape. | ||
| I'm laughing at the giant cross. | ||
| Anytime you see someone that extreme, you know they're going the other way shortly. | ||
| Joseon used to hang around the comedy store before he ever got arrested, and he was so weird, man. | ||
| He called everybody sir, called you sir and mister, and he would hug everybody. | ||
| He was really, really weird, man. | ||
| He was really weird, because he was like five foot two and just jacked. | ||
| And he was hanging around and everybody was like, this guy's fucking crazy. | ||
| It was like a weird dog that you were hoping that didn't bite you. | ||
| And everybody was like, yeah, nice dog. | ||
| Okay, let's get out of here. | ||
| In Australia, when we have weird dudes, you don't generally worry about getting stabbed or shot. | ||
| In America, it's a real concern with drugs and stuff. | ||
| We just don't have that imminent sense of danger that you guys... | ||
| Obviously, they're safe areas, but... | ||
| You just don't hear about it in Australia as much. | ||
| So in Australia, there's more fistfights? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| There's more fistfights. | ||
| There's bottlings. | ||
| England as well. | ||
| Bottlings are ridiculous, man. | ||
| It's fucking scary shit. | ||
| Coward punches now. | ||
| Yeah, they've got those past them all. | ||
| Coward punches? | ||
| They call it dog punching. | ||
| Sucker punching. | ||
| King hitting. | ||
| Sucker punching. | ||
| If you hit someone while you're intoxicated or even... | ||
| I don't know exactly, it just got passed. | ||
| And you hit them, it's like a massive jail sentence. | ||
| So some kid got hit and died by this big juice head who said he was an MMA fighter. | ||
| Oh yeah, that was bad. | ||
| So he got soccer punched? | ||
| He got, well, there were two or three kids arguing with him. | ||
| They were kind of like, you know, well-dressed sort of kids and the guy hit one of them and then... | ||
| He fell and hit his head? | ||
| Yeah, he hit his head and died and... | ||
| They want to change it to say, it's not called a sucker punch or a king hit, it's called a coward punch. | ||
| So Australia kind of rallies behind these odd things like that. | ||
| Now they've also made it that you can't go out, you can't come into a bar after a certain time. | ||
| So they got locked down now after, I think, three, we didn't go out much, but three o'clock you can't, whatever club you're in, you've got to stay there, like you can't come and go. | ||
| Huh, why's that? | ||
| They've got up in Queenslanders. | ||
| No common sense. | ||
| It's just, they keep the dickheads out on the street, so when you go out with your wife, they're waiting on the corner rejected from a club. | ||
| So it's worse. | ||
| Well, you know what, man? | ||
| The idea of having these places where people consume the worst drug ever for social behavior, and it's all over the world. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| behavior lowers inhibitions makes you feel like a bad motherfucker when you're not gives you terrible shitty judgment i mean it's like the worst drug as far as like getting involved in fights if we had pot clubs if we had places where all you could do was smoke pot you go to a place and just eat brownies and smoke pot there would be no fucking fights Absolutely. | ||
| Nobody wants to fight on pot. | ||
| They just don't. | ||
| Even if you're thinking about fighting, you're like, I gotta go. | ||
| I gotta get out of here. | ||
| Fuck this. | ||
| Canadians are so nice. | ||
| Yeah, that's one of the reasons. | ||
| Because those guys smoke like crazy. | ||
| They're just nice, period, because they're not trying to take over the world. | ||
| You know, one of the big fucking problems with America is that America's got this long, deep history of trying to take over the world. | ||
| Or defend against other people trying to take over the world. | ||
| So it's just... | ||
| Fucking group of psychopaths living right underneath these nice folks to the north. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We just went to Quebec and Montreal. | ||
| It was beautiful. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Quebec is wicked. | ||
| Montreal is fantastic. | ||
| Oh, the Canadians are the nicest people in the world. | ||
| You know, that's the other short list place that I would move to. | ||
| Vancouver? | ||
| You ever been to Vancouver? | ||
| We went there for one night. | ||
| God damn, that place is awesome. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| So, another city that I really thought about moving there in 2004 after Bush won re-election. | ||
| I really thought about moving. | ||
| I was like, everybody's so fucking crazy, he won again. | ||
| Like, how could he win? | ||
| How the fuck did that guy win after all this nonsense that everybody knows about him? | ||
| This crazy fake war that they dragged us into. | ||
| Real war under fake pretenses. | ||
| But I was like, this country's going to turn into some banana fucking republic police state. | ||
| We've got to get out of here. | ||
| For us living in Australia, I mean, it's very much a Canada. | ||
| It's very relaxed. | ||
| It's almost a little bit too fortunate. | ||
| And I had a friend move here because he just said it's really easy in Australia to be middle class, but it's very difficult to make a lot of money and be upper class. | ||
| America just has that kind of... | ||
| The ability to move up. | ||
| There's a bit of romance here. | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| Maybe you don't see it. | ||
| It's for us we see it. | ||
| No, I can imagine. | ||
| Yeah, I can see that. | ||
| The caste system and the class system that exists in England exists in a lot of other places in the world. | ||
| England's bad. | ||
| England's really bad. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| We went to Manchester and it was a bunch of... | ||
| Kids walking around with babies because they give them a house if you have a kid. | ||
| So there's 16-year-old girls everywhere with baby pushing. | ||
| Because of socialized society, socialization. | ||
| It's pretty funny to watch. | ||
| Just young chicks everywhere with kids. | ||
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And red hair. | |
| That's weird. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| That wasn't magic. | ||
| Our family's there as well. | ||
| Socialist ideas, I mean, there's good things to it, like healthcare. | ||
| I really think that's one of the big problems that we have in America. | ||
| Australia's great. | ||
| The way they're fixing that in America is like fucking up even more. | ||
| Obamacare and the Affordable Care Act has got so much. | ||
| So many people are angry about it. | ||
| But I think that the principle behind public health care should be that that's like one of the first things that a government takes care of. | ||
| First things that a society, a civilization takes care of. | ||
| What should everybody have? | ||
| Well, everybody should have access to healthcare. | ||
| It should be one of the first things. | ||
| It shouldn't be that everyone has to go buy it, though, that they force you to go buy it. | ||
| It's this weird sort of, you know, we have the money to start wars and finance these overseas campaigns, but we don't have enough money to take care of the health Of the citizens based on the tax revenue that we generate. | ||
| And I think that's just crazy. | ||
| Well, you guys have to keep crap jobs just to keep your health care, right? | ||
| Many people do. | ||
| Yeah, many people take and keep jobs just specifically for their health care. | ||
| He takes advantage of the health care system in Australia, that's for sure. | ||
| Yeah, I bet you do. | ||
| Our premiums in the whole of Australia have gone up because of me. | ||
| Because of your fucking bull riding. | ||
| So back to the thing. | ||
| So you... | ||
| You have all these fucking concussions. | ||
| Four, three big ones. | ||
| Three, three out cold from motorcycle riding. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you decided to go into Muay Thai. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tell them what you wanted to do in between then and why you got into Muay Thai. | ||
| So basically I decided to join Israeli Army. | ||
| We've got family over there as well and the school I went to, some of them decided to go over there. | ||
| I was dating an Israeli girl as well. | ||
| I thought I'd go to Israeli Army when I was 18. I thought I'd go join and it would be a good experience because my dad was the paratrooper dog unit in South Africa. | ||
| So I was like, hell yeah, why not? | ||
| This is the brains over here. | ||
| This is the brawn. | ||
| Sort of. | ||
| The thing is, is this girl's mom is convincing him to go to the Israeli army, romance this, and Israel is very romantic, you know? | ||
| And meanwhile, she's moved to Australia so her daughter doesn't have to go to the fucking army. | ||
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Yeah, true. | |
| She's convincing. | ||
| I thought, this chick's going to marry me for sure if I go to the army. | ||
| It's like three years. | ||
| So how do you join the Israeli army when you're living in Australia and you're an Australian citizen born in South Africa? | ||
| It's voluntary. | ||
| It's voluntary. | ||
| So they'll take anybody? | ||
| No, if you're from a Jewish background, it's voluntary and you can join the Israeli army. | ||
| So you're from a Jewish background, that's all you needed? | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| That's all you needed. | ||
| That's all you needed. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And then you get free university. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| It's after three years of pretty active duty. | ||
| So, you go over there, you're 18, you join the Israeli army. | ||
| I didn't quite make it there, so I told my parents and my dad was... | ||
| You didn't tell your parents, that's the whole point of the story. | ||
| I told them in New Zealand about three days before I was going. | ||
| Why did you tell them? | ||
| Oh, because I'm terrified of my dad. | ||
| He's like the nicest guy ever too, which is funny. | ||
| I don't know why he said that. | ||
| Yeah, and they're like, no, you're not going. | ||
| Get me a big guilt trip. | ||
| I cancelled it. | ||
| I had a plane ticket. | ||
| I'm like, well, screw this. | ||
| Leave it already. | ||
| I mean, he's a couple years older than me. | ||
| He's like, screw this. | ||
| I'm going to go to Thailand. | ||
| They're on the same ticket. | ||
| My parents are like, you're going to Thailand? | ||
| We're paying for him to go with you. | ||
| I went as a chaperone. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All expenses paid. | ||
| First night we arrived there, went straight to 7-Eleven, got a massive bottle of Samsung. | ||
| It's Thai whiskey. | ||
| And just got absolutely drunk off my head on Kosan Road, Bangkok, which is like a bad area. | ||
| Well, it's not a bad... | ||
| It's a touristy, trashy tourist area. | ||
| It's like the Vegas trip. | ||
| Yeah, but friendlier, you know. | ||
| It's a bunch of kind of... | ||
| Friendlier than the Vegas trip. | ||
| Well, look, it's basically backpackers, central. | ||
| Everybody's very friendly because they're usually straight out of school and they're free and they're wearing their fisherman pants and drinking and smoking cigarettes. | ||
| Going there just for vacation. | ||
| It's gross. | ||
| It's lovely. | ||
| But you're not alone. | ||
| There's probably a bunch of other people drunk like that too. | ||
| Well, they got him drunk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The ironic thing is he got drunk on the corner with a homeless Israeli guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was the funniest part of it. | ||
| A lot of Israelis. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| And then, ever since then, I was like, man, I love this fighting business. | ||
| Like, I was already boxing since I was young. | ||
| Lee was doing jiu-jitsu, obviously. | ||
| I looked up to him. | ||
| Well, I was doing Muay Thai and thought I was good at it, and then he got ten times better than me. | ||
| Yeah, I was like, screw this, man. | ||
| I'm just going to live here. | ||
| And just kind of kept going back and loved living there. | ||
| What was it that, like, forced you to, like, make that decision? | ||
| Like, what... | ||
| What triggered in your mind to like, okay, now I'm a Muay Thai fighter? | ||
| Yeah, look, I mean, at school, I didn't so much struggle at school, but, you know, I have ADD and ADD. I think everybody does. | ||
| It's even remotely interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they just struggled. | ||
| I thought, you know, like, I want to be something good. | ||
| And Muay Thai wasn't established in Australia yet. | ||
| Like, there was no... | ||
| Wayne Parr was still very good, but he's still in New South Wales. | ||
| There's a video on the thread on the underground. | ||
| I mean, on a message board of him fighting. | ||
| Pull it up. | ||
| So we could put it on while we're talking. | ||
| Of me fighting? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's a video of you fighting on my message board. | ||
| Is this my highlight? | ||
| It is a world championship title fight. | ||
| That's the one he got. | ||
| I wanted to ask him about that, actually. | ||
| That was the second time in his whole career he got knocked out. | ||
| I wanted to ask him what it's like to actually watch yourself. | ||
| Yeah, no, I've watched this a few times. | ||
| Who were you fighting there? | ||
| That's Sonny Evananthi from New Zealand. | ||
| A really good fighter. | ||
| This was actually, I still get told to this day, some of people's favorite fights because we kept dropping each other in it. | ||
| There's my coach, Nick Stone. | ||
| Yeah, I just didn't have a good... | ||
| I had a good training camp for it. | ||
| I just, you know, I was kind of... | ||
| Oh, I wouldn't go that far. | ||
| Look, it's... | ||
| I was getting... | ||
| I had too many coaches, whereas I should have had one that overlooked everything. | ||
| Were you getting contradictory information? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| We didn't really. | ||
| Like, the problem was with Muay Thai in Australia. | ||
| I mean, he's got a coach, Nick Stone, who's a brilliant coach, but it's... | ||
| You know, we had a bit of boxing, a little bit of nutrition, a bit of this, a bit of that, and it wasn't how we coach our students. | ||
| It was just basically do a little bit of boxing, a little bit of running, wish for the best. | ||
| Like, it wasn't... | ||
| You weren't totally organized, is that what you're saying? | ||
| Yeah, you know, like when I was going back and forth between Thailand, so you know, the Thai's like, no, no, no, you kick like this, and you come back to Australia, and I go, fuck this guy. | ||
| What was the difference between the way the Thai's told you to kick and the Australians told you to kick? | ||
| Look, the Thai's are more dominant in clinch, elbows, knees, and kicks, especially clinch, which is what I love the most about Muay Thai. | ||
| It's my favorite thing. | ||
| Um... | ||
| Whereas, Australia, you generally find, like, Sonny Van Anthe, I'm just watching the video now, he's very well known for his hands. | ||
| So, in my whole career, I only took about 12 to 13 hits to my head in all my fights. | ||
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Really? | |
| So, I wasn't someone, if you watch, I don't get hit much. | ||
| 12 to 13 hits ever to your head? | ||
| How's that possible? | ||
| How many fights did you have? | ||
| 34? | ||
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| 34 fights and only 12 to 13 hits to the head? | ||
| I like to stand outside. | ||
| When you say that, you mean? | ||
| Hard hits. | ||
| Hard hits. | ||
| You know, like dancing. | ||
| Not jabs and stuff. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Right. | ||
| But it just gets really exciting in round two. | ||
| Do you think that Muay Thai fighters take much less damage than boxers per se? | ||
| It depends. | ||
| You know, like I'm reading a lot of the articles in the MMA forums and stuff and there's guys coming out saying the damage is getting done in the training. | ||
| It's not getting done in the cage. | ||
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Right. | |
| For me, my training in Thailand, we don't even really spy. | ||
| We do a lot of clinch, a bit of play sparring, a lot of pad work, a lot of ground work. | ||
| Well, they have a down more. | ||
| You know what my opinion is about MMA sparring? | ||
| The real problem is that MMA in America, and MMA as a sport in general, is still very young. | ||
| It's a very young sport. | ||
| And there is a lot of people that got into MMA that really did not know how to properly train for striking. | ||
| Properly train as far as what kind of damage you do long term if you spar really fucking hard all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But boxers always have had a history of, you know, gym wars and stuff with Thai's. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, the thing is, like, when Americans went to Thailand, they saw the Thai's training and they copied it and brought it back. | ||
| And this happened in Australia a lot. | ||
| It's one of those fights you can't stop watching when you start. | ||
| That's because I know what's going to happen. | ||
| Yeah, it's sick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The problem is that they watch the Thais do it and this is like anything, when you go overseas, you do yoga, you do Muay Thai, whatever art you're doing, cooking, whatever it is, right? | ||
| And they're watching the Thais do it and the Thais go pads, bag work, Clinch, and that's it. | ||
| So the Americans would come back, and Australians come back and copy that, but they forget that Thai's don't spar for one reason. | ||
| They fight every weekend. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, so from a young kid. | ||
| So they don't spar. | ||
| Why would they spar? | ||
| They fight. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So, I mean, I think, like, that was lacking, and clinch is really lacking in Western countries, but... | ||
| Ties don't, if you watch them fight, have you been to Thailand, Joe? | ||
| No. | ||
| When you watch them fight, around the fourth round, if one guy's won, they stop fighting in the fifth round so that they can fight next week. | ||
| They know who's won already. | ||
| You know, the first round, they don't go hard. | ||
| They don't throw elbows for the first round normally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of that sort of stuff in Thailand. | ||
| And they go slow in the first round. | ||
| Is that because they also want to place bets? | ||
| There's bets. | ||
| There's a big part of it. | ||
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Adrenaline. | |
| That schnoz. | ||
| Oof. | ||
| Adrenaline? | ||
| Well, because the adrenaline would take a bit to kick in, like to calm down and find your rhythm. | ||
| Look, the problem with Thai boxing is he's been, how many times have you been? | ||
| 26. 26 times. | ||
| I've been about 16, 17. It was on about our 10th trip that a Thai actually explained the rules to us. | ||
| Oh yeah, I remember. | ||
| Saxon. | ||
| Yeah, Saxon, right? | ||
| Saxon, Janjira? | ||
| No, I wish. | ||
| But no, he's an American. | ||
| Saxon is the name of the gym. | ||
| Saxon's a guy. | ||
| He beat, you know, Sumcor? | ||
| Sumcor is like the best kicker in Thailand. | ||
| How did he become the best kicker in Thailand? | ||
| Oh, Sumcor. | ||
| He was kind of known for a while. | ||
| But this guy explained the rules to us and we're thinking, Jesus. | ||
| Beautiful knockdown. | ||
| And by the way, that was not illegal for people that actually lived in Thailand and kept saying it was illegal. | ||
| Why was it illegal? | ||
| As long as you throw the kick before they're down. | ||
| Sometimes they land on the ropes. | ||
| You can still hit them as long as they don't hit the floor. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| There's all these critics out there. | ||
| But what was the point of this? | ||
| He knocks me down. | ||
| Thai boxing, one of the misunderstandings people don't understand is like, you know, the Thai is they won't fight in the fifth round. | ||
| They won't use, you know, elbows usually in the first couple. | ||
| So they don't cut each other so they can fight next week. | ||
| And then the punch in the back of the head. | ||
| So that was illegal. | ||
| So I had a brain hemorrhage from this fight. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, so it was one shot to the back of the head. | ||
| So he hit you from the back of the head while you're down. | ||
| Yeah, you were down. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| So now I got a little bit dirty. | ||
| It happens again. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So I had a brain hemorrhage. | ||
| I remember going to the hospital for a while. | ||
| And this was the fight that convinced you to stop fighting? | ||
| No, I had one or two fights after this. | ||
| Yeah, no big deal. | ||
| Just a brain hemorrhage. | ||
| Yeah, one or two fights after. | ||
| How did they have to drain your brain? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, it was only a small bleed, but it was enough to... | ||
| Yeah, you look like you're certainly wobbly here. | ||
| I keep going. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| The thing about the fight is, man, it didn't have to be this way. | ||
| If you didn't get hit on the back of the head, it wouldn't have been dangerous. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I hate saying, like when people hear us say that, the sport of Muay Thai is generally quite safe compared to boxing or rugby. | ||
| Rugby's a horrible sport. | ||
| I mean, a lovely sport. | ||
| But how is it safe when you're dealing with head kicks and shins and knees? | ||
| I mean, how many head shots have you seen this time? | ||
| Oh, you dropped him with a head kick. | ||
| This is a crazy fight, man. | ||
| Back and forth. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| To get dropped like that and get punched in the head while you're down, then get punched in the head again and dropped, and then drop him with a head kick. | ||
| And then I think he punched you in the back of the head again. | ||
| But it was only when I kind of went down. | ||
| Also, I think this fight had changed to Southpaw. | ||
| That's kind of one of my later fights would change to Southpaw. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| So, the difference in the way the Thais fight, being that they fight almost every weekend, and that they train very differently, but even their sparring, they don't go at it full blast. | ||
| Like, the Dutch, who don't fight as much as the Thais, they throw hard kicks to the legs and to the bodies, but they throw lighter punches to the head. | ||
| Jesus, we were in Holland about a year ago training at, well, I won't say which gym, but Man, those dudes were punching each other's heads through the wall. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh man, especially when you had... | ||
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What gym? | |
| I was Majiro. | ||
| Yeah, Majiro gym's crazy. | ||
| That's a great gym. | ||
| By the way, if you have a go there, have you been there? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, there used to be a Majiro gym in Encino. | ||
| There's a guy Shuki from Majiro gym in Holland came to America. | ||
| He was here for a while. | ||
| He's an Israeli as well. | ||
| He went back to Israel though. | ||
| Well, anyway, go to the locker room and just be prepared to keep your eyes facing straight because there's group showers and everybody's naked guys and girls talking and chatting after training. | ||
| We weren't ready for that. | ||
| Why wouldn't you be ready for that? | ||
| We're just sitting down in someone's church next to you. | ||
| No, no, the guys and girls shower together and walk around. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Back to the Garden of Eden. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We weren't ready for it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
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So... | |
| Jeez, they kill each other in training, though. | ||
| So, how did you decide, though? | ||
| Like... | ||
| That you were okay doing this. | ||
| That was a beautiful head kick, man. | ||
| How did you decide that you were okay doing this after, like, retiring from motorcycle racing because of concussions? | ||
| I mean, you weren't worried about these concussions like this? | ||
| That's some bullshit right there. | ||
| Like, I hate you on it. | ||
| That should have been the end of the fight. | ||
| Yeah, I kept going. | ||
| There's another one coming up. | ||
| But look, I can't take it away from this guy to get off topic because Sonny is a top fighter. | ||
| Oh, he definitely is, but he's also a dirty bitch. | ||
| I'm not going to lie, Dylan actually has a lot of respect for him. | ||
| I woke up for about three months after this fight dreaming about strangling him. | ||
| Oh, that was the first fight my mom watched as well. | ||
| But he apparently is a lovely guy. | ||
| Everyone tells me. | ||
| He just gets amped up. | ||
| Every morning I woke up dreaming. | ||
| I was just like squeezing his back. | ||
| I like how you hit him when he was down too. | ||
| Payback, bitch! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a crazy fight, man. | ||
| That's a crazy fight. | ||
| But this is the first time you really got hurt in your whole career. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got knocked out in Jamaica on a big show, but I was so dehydrated. | ||
| We're like, oh yeah, my coach says, are you going to be 135 pounds? | ||
| I'm like, oh yeah, 62 kilograms. | ||
| I get there, and Steve McKinnon, who's one of my coaches as well, he's a heavyweight. | ||
| I'm thinking, you know, 135 pounds, it's probably around 61, 62, didn't think about it. | ||
| I get there, I'm like, shit, man, I've got to cut like... | ||
| Where did you end up? | ||
| 58 kilos. | ||
| I was like 58.7 or something. | ||
| I had to get down. | ||
| I don't even know what the weight was. | ||
| I was like 64 kilograms in Jamaica. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So what is that in pounds? | ||
| How many kilos was you talking about? | ||
| You're talking 8 kilos? | ||
| You were 8 kilos off? | ||
| No, I was about... | ||
| Five or six. | ||
| Six, seven. | ||
| So let's say six. | ||
| So six is 2.2 pounds per. | ||
| It would be 120 pounds. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And back then, we didn't know many of the cutting methods. | ||
| It would sit in the sauna for five hours. | ||
| I was saying about this, and I'm sure it's the same for you with everything you do. | ||
| We now, the way we coach, how we didn't know back then or how we wanted to be coached, so we just didn't know. | ||
| So he'd just go jump in a sauna suit, and that's what we did. | ||
| You just did it. | ||
| Yeah, there was a lot of really bad weight cutting in the UFC back in the day. | ||
| I used to cut weight to fight in Taekwondo tournaments. | ||
| I'd cut the day of. | ||
| I would get down to 140 pounds the day of the fight. | ||
| 16, 17. Yeah, it was terrible for you. | ||
| Very dangerous. | ||
| That was the thing about boxing. | ||
| While they changed it to weigh-ins the day before the fight, because they give the fighter a chance to rehydrate, the big issue was... | ||
| Brain injuries to a dehydrated fighter are more substantial. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| They found out that almost all the deaths in boxing came outside of the heavyweight division. | ||
| In the heavyweight division, there was no deaths. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's one of the things they attributed to. | ||
| This is not cool to watch. | ||
| It's one of those fights. | ||
| It'd be the greatest fight ever if you weren't the guy's brother. | ||
| Dude, I made the best highlight of this. | ||
| It was just me hitting him. | ||
| We don't have to watch it. | ||
| No, no, it's cool. | ||
| You can keep going because I want to ask him a question at the end. | ||
| But, yeah, there's a theory now they're saying that, and I was saying to one of my guys, because we just went to the UFC and he cut about five pounds, and everyone keeps saying, you need to drop down a weight division, right? | ||
| Yeah, this is not cool. | ||
| That's it, man. | ||
| That was not cool. | ||
| This is the end of the fight. | ||
| That was the back of the head shot again. | ||
| Alright, we can kill it. | ||
| You can watch it if you want. | ||
| That's alright. | ||
| So, you fought two times more after that. | ||
| How many MMA fights, or excuse me, Muay Thai fights did you have total? | ||
| I had a couple of like... | ||
| You know, we kept my record down because I was fighting in Thailand a lot. | ||
| So if there was guys, I've never been passed round two in Thailand in 16, 17 fights ever. | ||
| So all up, we found a lot of tapes from about 30, 34. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. | ||
| But they started getting dodgy towards the end. | ||
| Yeah, I started fighting bigger ties, and there's some good ones on YouTube of me fighting his tie. | ||
| I think I dropped him like 15 times with elbows. | ||
| I just kept dropping. | ||
| Those guys just kept getting back up. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| It didn't bother me fighting in Thailand. | ||
| You've got little kids, eight-year-olds, that are fighting, and it makes you feel... | ||
| In Australia, when I fought, it's like you go backstage, you've got to rev yourself up. | ||
| You've got all your friends there. | ||
| You know, it's the crowd. | ||
| It's the music. | ||
| Thailand, there's like eight, nine, 10, 15-year-olds all sitting in the back with their mummies, taping their hands. | ||
| You watch them fight. | ||
| They tape their own hands. | ||
| That's right, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you know, they fight for like 15 minutes. | ||
| You're like, oh, this isn't so bad, you know? | ||
| So it's a more relaxed environment, so you feel like easier going into the fight? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You've got the music playing as well. | ||
| And I was normally in the main event, being like the Westerner. | ||
| And I started fighting some really good tyres. | ||
| It started becoming really good fun. | ||
| They started towards the end getting a little bit dodgy. | ||
| Because tyres are very proud people. | ||
| And they're very similar to Japanese like that. | ||
| And they started kind of slipping in the bigger dudes. | ||
| There was one fight actually. | ||
| The one that scared me where he was actually winning. | ||
| And you threw him and he just got his shoulder. | ||
| But it was a bit scary until then. | ||
| I thought he kicked him in the head. | ||
| He was a big boy. | ||
| So when you say bigger dudes, you mean like the wrong weight class? | ||
| Like thick legs. | ||
| They're outside of your weight class? | ||
| Like ringers? | ||
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Oh. | |
| Like ringers after a while? | ||
| Were they bigger than you? | ||
| Thicker legs. | ||
| They're trying to set you up? | ||
| They didn't really weigh you, did they? | ||
| No, we didn't really weigh in. | ||
| Most of them were either my weight or heavier. | ||
| Earlier on, they used to weigh me, but later on, they just kind of were about my size or bigger, which I was okay with. | ||
| It was still good fun. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So, you fought over there for many years, and were you there when the tsunami hit? | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Basically... | ||
| The story of this, I don't think I've even written this online, but basically, we were in Copenhagen, so we're actually the other side of Thailand. | ||
| And... | ||
| My brother and I are in Copenhagen, and I was still staying there for quite a while, having some flights. | ||
| And my brother's like, listen, man, I'm going back to Sydney, cool. | ||
| Say a couple of bit of money, I'll make you a suite. | ||
| Like I had so much in my bank. | ||
| I was like 20. And he went and took it, and he entered the PIN card wrong. | ||
| So he entered the pin number wrong when he put the card in. | ||
| And I was like, great. | ||
| So it swallowed my card. | ||
| I was like, oh, fucking great. | ||
| So I'm stuck here in Copenhagen, which is like the full moon party, like crazy party island. | ||
| And I had to wait like four days to get a replacement card. | ||
| In that time... | ||
| My friend and I had two doctors that lived in Melbourne, Glenn and Tom, and I'd met them a few times in Thailand. | ||
| I said, listen, you guys go to Phi Phi Island. | ||
| You go to the other side of Thailand where we wanted to spend New Year's and Christmas. | ||
| And I said to him, well, you guys go there and I'll meet you over there. | ||
| I've got to wait for my replacement card. | ||
| I was still there for a couple more weeks. | ||
| Sorry, a couple more months in Thailand. | ||
| So they went over there and then the tsunami hit. | ||
| So in a way, I kind of missed the tsunami because of my brother. | ||
| So I'm like, okay, well... | ||
| Being a moron. | ||
| Like, screw this. | ||
| I'm going to go look for them. | ||
| And we didn't know what actually happened because the media is often run, you know, by governments and we didn't really know what was going on. | ||
| So we heard, oh, there's a bit of a wave. | ||
| And, yeah, basically we heard there's a bit of a wave and, you know, I thought, oh, we'll try to help out. | ||
| I'll go look for my mate. | ||
| So I got a friend. | ||
| To write in Thai saying I'm head of the Australian Search and Rescue. | ||
| So I went over there with another South African friend who I'd met, who is now a very good friend of mine. | ||
| And they're like, okay, cool. | ||
| You guys are in charge of picking up the bodies. | ||
| We're like, yeah, this is just fucking great. | ||
| And we got more involved. | ||
| And, you know, there was 1,500 bodies on PP Island. | ||
| We didn't carry all of them. | ||
| There was just a couple of volunteers and stuff. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Wow. | ||
| And then after a couple of weeks, we're like, well, we tried to do a few other things. | ||
| You know, we, you know, those things, they wanted us to start cleaning up because there's a lot of disease on the island. | ||
| Because of the bodies? | ||
| Because of the bodies. | ||
| And then the animals started eating the bodies as well. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| So bodies would be washing up, you know, all the time. | ||
| What kind of animals? | ||
| What actually happened during the tsunami was, in Pepe Island, it's flat. | ||
| You know, it's got two hills on both sides. | ||
| And the animals must have detected, there's a lot of articles on that on the internet, detected that the snowman was coming in. | ||
| And they actually all went into the hills. | ||
| So there was like, you know, dogs, cats, birds, whatever. | ||
| There was a goat we found running around, like loose. | ||
| I don't know what the hell it was doing. | ||
| They started in the bodies and then they got sick as well. | ||
| It's only a small island. | ||
| How big a cross is it? | ||
| You can walk from one side to the other. | ||
| It's not that big. | ||
| And then I was like, oh shit, I better just keep looking for my friends. | ||
| So we went through the bodies, went through the pictures in the morgue, went to the morgue. | ||
| Meanwhile, these two monkeys, they're both... | ||
| They're both doctors now, actually. | ||
| Had gone across to PPR, and it's a bit of a trip, you know, like ferry, bus ferry. | ||
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Wait a minute. | |
| Two monkeys? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| They're my two friends. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You don't mean really monkeys. | ||
| No. | ||
| I was like, monkeys became dogs? | ||
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No, no. | |
| And basically, they met some girls on the bus across... | ||
| And they just stayed in a hotel and I don't know what the hell they were doing. | ||
| So I'm looking for them in the tsunami, you know, pick up bodies and do all types of crazy things we probably shouldn't have. | ||
| And they were just on the mainland hanging out with these two girls. | ||
| So I went all the way there to find them and they were just chilling out. | ||
| But, you know, obviously I suffered a lot of, not so much depression, but more so post-traumatic stress after I was only 20, 21. Yeah, and suffered a lot of post-traumatic stress and, you know, it ain't that much. | ||
| Just from the bodies. | ||
| Well, PTSD wasn't really, like, talked about as much at that stage. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, I felt like I was a warrior. | ||
| I was like, oh, we better not talk about this. | ||
| To be fair, my mom was like, don't even think about going over there. | ||
| And I was like, yeah, hell no. | ||
| You're like, no, mom, don't worry about it. | ||
| Don't worry about it, yeah. | ||
| Went straight over there. | ||
| And we had some cool experience. | ||
| Like, every day I could write a book on the things that we did and what happened. | ||
| Well, that's the idea, actually. | ||
| When you say post-traumatic stress, specifically, what was the feeling? | ||
| What was the issue that you had from seeing all that horrific shit? | ||
| Actually, what happened when I came back, my parents split the day I got back from the tsunami. | ||
| They split and my brother and I were just in the house alone. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Was it bad boys too? | ||
| It's your favorite movie. | ||
| Yeah, I love Bad Boys 2, man. | ||
| Love that movie. | ||
| Wow, you really did get hit in the head a lot. | ||
| It's cool, man. | ||
| Yeah, Bad Boys 2 and, you know, we'd see the bodies in it. | ||
| I still get why you like that movie so much. | ||
| Sick, man. | ||
| Will Smith. | ||
| So, Bad Boys 2, what would happen? | ||
| There was a scene with the morgues and stuff like that and bodies and, yeah, like a little bit of a flashback and, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was just kind of hard. | ||
| It wasn't something I talked about. | ||
| It wasn't something I was proud of. | ||
| I was like, oh man, I put everyone out. | ||
| You know, I probably shouldn't have done that. | ||
| And yeah, a bit of guilt as well. | ||
| Well, you only told me some of the stories today. | ||
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Yeah, quite recently. | |
| I haven't talked to him about it. | ||
| That's one of the reasons I put the post up because... | ||
| We're so busy in Sydney, and everything's always moving, moving, moving. | ||
| We never actually sat down and talked about it. | ||
| All I know is he had some trouble, you know? | ||
| And we see each other every day, you know, but just... | ||
| It's never just come up in conversation, you know? | ||
| So today on the way here, we were talking, and on the plane stuff, we're talking, and I'm like, I've never heard any of these stories. | ||
| Yeah, some cool stories. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, which is strange. | ||
| It's strange, I guess, but that's what it is. | ||
| Look, you know, for a 20-year-old, I think it was... | ||
| It kind of... | ||
| I grew up very quickly and I went back to Thailand a lot since then. | ||
| Yeah, it was a cool experience. | ||
| Later, like now, I've been working for the Koh Samui Rescue Team for about three years now. | ||
| So I'm the only Westerner that does it. | ||
| The only idiot? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is the rescue team? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| So in Koh Samui, they've got private ambulances. | ||
| And then they got volunteer. | ||
| And there's a rescue team. | ||
| So if like a boat flips or there's a car crash or a local's sick or someone dies or there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of bike accidents and stuff. | ||
| You know, we go collect the bodies or we go... | ||
| A lot of dumb Westerners. | ||
| Yeah, we go like patch them up and take them to the hospital. | ||
| And it's a bit of everything, you know. | ||
| There's a fire. | ||
| We're there. | ||
| Like we're kind of G.I. Joe kind of rescue men. | ||
| But I'm the only Westerner. | ||
| So that led to that later on. | ||
| And I've had some pretty cool experiences for... | ||
| Three years now, just working a couple of shifts a week with the Thai team. | ||
| And, you know, one shift, probably the hardest shift I had was last February when I actually decided I'm going to retire. | ||
| And I called Liam, I said I'm going to retire. | ||
| And I was like, if I'm going to retire, I don't have to train that much. | ||
| I spent a lot of time Doing the rescue team and over the full moon party on the island up from us in one shift from 11am till the next day, 11am, there was like 30 accidents we attended. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, so it was pretty, it was pretty hectic. | ||
| And I think it published, you know, as well. | ||
| Yeah, we're not, we're not really allowed to talk about all of it. | ||
| Um... | ||
| But most of it's, you know, Westerners, drunk Westerners, just being stupid. | ||
| I mean, there's a girl, I think her sister is Nicole Fitzgerald, and her younger sister, Kate. | ||
| And Nicole was on the back of a bike, and I don't know if it was a Western attire, got hit by a truck, and she died. | ||
| And now I know she promotes safety for riding, and... | ||
| Transport in the Asian countries because a lot of Australians are dying falling off balconies in Phuket and just stupid stuff. | ||
| Just being drunk. | ||
| It's a great place. | ||
| Thailand's amazing. | ||
| Make it sound worse. | ||
| This is the worst part of it. | ||
| It's an amazing place. | ||
| But people just go there and it's, you know, the Thais are lovely people, beautiful people, very patriotic, like if they're king, if you don't talk badly about they're king. | ||
| If you go to a movie... | ||
| They haven't mentioned they're king. | ||
| Well, you've been to the movies there, right? | ||
| What happens? | ||
| You have to stand up and stand up for the king. | ||
| Stand up for the king for like 10 minutes. | ||
| And one Westerner, one idiot, refused to stand up and they just, of course, what happened would happen. | ||
| You know, like, I don't know what happened exactly. | ||
| I just know he was taken away, basically. | ||
| They beat his ass? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they're kind people, so I don't know if they beat his ass, but they would have fined him or arrested him, you know? | ||
| Wow, just for not standing up at the movie theater for the king. | ||
| I think you get arrested for talking back. | ||
| It's their country, man. | ||
| It's their country. | ||
| Fuck everybody who goes to... | ||
| You know, like, right now, you go there, and you go to these places, and the key with going overseas... | ||
| You've traveled quite a lot, of course. | ||
| We've traveled a lot. | ||
| When you go to someone's country, you never go to the place where Westerners hang out. | ||
| I don't want to see Aussies. | ||
| I don't want to see ties that deal with Aussies. | ||
| Because the ties that deal with Aussies, they get that red-eyed look. | ||
| It's just a little bit like... | ||
| They become jaded. | ||
| So... | ||
| It's just like you've got to go to that country and respect it. | ||
| If you go to Thailand, and you must, it's an amazing place. | ||
| Don't go to an area where Thais have to deal with Westerners because then you've got to deal with the Thais that have to deal with the Westerners. | ||
| Hawaii is a part of America. | ||
| But that's the argument that you always hear about Hawaii, is how they hate Americans, but it's just because they're dealing with douchebags all the time. | ||
| I mean, imagine the fucking idiots that you have to deal with that are always on vacation coming from all parts of the world and they're all drunk and they're all entitled because they're spending so much money to get over there. | ||
| They act like you should give a fuck about them. | ||
| I've met people that are Hawaiians in Hawaii that are some of the nicest, kindest, coolest, sweetest people you could ever meet. | ||
| But then you'll talk to people, oh, Hawaiians hate Americans. | ||
| Maybe some, maybe for a fucking good reason. | ||
| Maybe they have to deal with dickheads. | ||
| Tires hate Israelis. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And Israelis, it's a lovely place. | ||
| Never been to Israel. | ||
| Imagine Copacabana without crime. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's pretty much what it is. | ||
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Beautiful, man. | |
| Tel Aviv. | ||
| Beautiful place. | ||
| No crime? | ||
| No crime. | ||
| You've got 18-year-old girls' machine guns on their back. | ||
| You know, at McDonald's, off duty, you know. | ||
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Wow. | |
| That's an underrated traveling place, but everyone's so scared of the bombs and all that sort of stuff. | ||
| Right, don't worry about it when you're there. | ||
| Anyway, the point is, they hate Israelis in Thailand, so we'd go buy a motorbike, which anyone can have. | ||
| Any girl, Aussie girl who gets off the plane can hire a motorbike, never driven one before. | ||
| And we go hire one and they say, oh, no, sorry, we can't lend you. | ||
| And we say, oh, no, we're Australian. | ||
| They go, oh, okay, we thought you were Israeli. | ||
| So what the reason is, Israelis are nice people. | ||
| It's not that. | ||
| It's just that the ones that go to Thailand are fresh out of the army. | ||
| So they're crazy. | ||
| They're just straight out of the army. | ||
| They've seen all this bad stuff. | ||
| Thailand, and they just smoke weed and just go crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They just go crazy, basically. | ||
| Mushrooms, everything, disrespectful towards the Thais, alcohol, fights, whatever, you know, loud. | ||
| Because they feel entitled after the army, but, you know, the Thais don't like them. | ||
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Right. | |
| But if you go there, they're nice people. | ||
| Australians aren't far off at the moment. | ||
| Australians are bad. | ||
| The young traveling Australians. | ||
| The Russians aren't doing so good. | ||
| So now the Russians have, like, there's a lot of Russians in Koh Samui and the islands in the past... | ||
| Two years, I've noticed, especially working for the rescue team, I'm intending more and more Russian. | ||
| I may as well speak Russian. | ||
| More and more Russian accidents. | ||
| Our last name is Latvian or Russian, really. | ||
| We thought it was Russian until about a month ago. | ||
| We found it was Latvian. | ||
| We're going to change our haircuts and everything. | ||
| It sends me a picture of a crew cut. | ||
| Yeah, but now, you know, when I went to hotels, and I can speak tight, so for me, it's like I can get around it. | ||
| They see my last name, Reznikov, and they're like, no, no, no, no, we're full. | ||
| I'm like, are you out of your mind? | ||
| There's like 10, 300 rooms. | ||
| There's rooms open, I can see them. | ||
| And then you speak to them, and they're cool. | ||
| Once they realize you're Australian. | ||
| Well, yeah, but if I spoke Thai, they kind of really take you in. | ||
| Oh, do you speak Thai? | ||
| It's a bit rusty. | ||
| He does. | ||
| He's bloody shy. | ||
| Every time I say, Dylan, order for us to speak in Thai. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| My team didn't speak English at all. | ||
| No one in my rescue team. | ||
| So sometimes there's misinterpretations about... | ||
| I didn't interpret things properly. | ||
| When they speak to me in Thai, they'll be like, go over there and... | ||
| You know, like I'd drive to like the other side of the island if I was driving the ambulance and some, yeah, not so funny things. | ||
| But the one thing about Thailand people don't know is that before the tsunami, you couldn't buy property there or businesses unless you were under a Thai name. | ||
| So you'd marry a Thai woman or a Thai man, which is great. | ||
| I think that's a good thing that Thailand should be owned by Thais. | ||
| You know, but after the tsunami, they allowed foreign investment. | ||
| So if you go to Copepe, which is where the beach was filmed, that's where he did his rescue stuff, it's not recognizable anymore, you know? | ||
| So anybody can buy a business and property there now. | ||
| That wasn't like that before the tsunami. | ||
| It changed a lot because of that? | ||
| I mean, before that, you've got people who have to go roundabout in circles to set up businesses and brothels and strip bars and stuff like that, you know? | ||
| Now... | ||
| Just give them money. | ||
| Dude, there's Russian strip clubs in the middle of the main... | ||
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With white people. | |
| Yeah, with Russian strippers in the middle of, like, clubbing areas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I mean, look, you've got to go. | ||
| It's an amazing place, and the people are amazing. | ||
| That small part, you know, of Thailand, like, there's still a lot of untouched areas. | ||
| Especially up north. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Do you think that it's going to change irrevocably because of this, though? | ||
| Because of allowing Westerners to buy businesses there? | ||
| Is that going to fuck everything up? | ||
| Look, I know a lot of expats that live there. | ||
| A lot of South African expats as well. | ||
| It's a big expat community. | ||
| And it's nice there. | ||
| But like anywhere, like my brother said, you know, there's bad areas, like specific bad areas. | ||
| Out of a whole island, it's only a small area. | ||
| So now I don't really go back there anymore. | ||
| When you say bad, it's not exactly bad. | ||
| No, it's not bad. | ||
| It's just young people getting drunk in great restaurants. | ||
| It's like spring break all the time. | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| When was the last time you went to spring break? | ||
| It's been a long time. | ||
| I'm not really into it. | ||
| Even when I was on spring break in college, I wasn't really into it. | ||
| We dream about that stuff. | ||
| It's a great place to get stabbed. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Too crazy. | ||
| Is it worth going? | ||
| Well, I think whenever you give someone the opportunity, like, this is the time. | ||
| It's New Year's Eve. | ||
| Let's go crazy. | ||
| People go crazy on their own. | ||
| You don't need to give them a day where they're allowed to go crazy. | ||
| Like the full moon party in Thailand. | ||
| They'll make the half moon party and the quarter moon party. | ||
| They need more days to go nuts. | ||
| Well, a lot of clubs do New Year's Eve nights. | ||
| They do stand-up comedy shows. | ||
| For the longest time, I avoided those just because I got tired of the drunken crowds on New Year's. | ||
| They're so crazy. | ||
| It just wasn't worth doing. | ||
| But, you know. | ||
| Tell him where we spent New Year's this year. | ||
| Where did we spent? | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| We got up to the fogs. | ||
| Oh, we went hunting, yeah. | ||
| Meanwhile, here's something for you. | ||
| Every time we speak to an American or Canadian, we spoke to these two guys at the UFC, Antonio Cavallo, a real nice guy, and his friend Monkey, who's a really good... | ||
| He doesn't use his real name. | ||
| And they live up north in Canada, and they hunt fucking... | ||
| Bears and wolves and with automatic rifles. | ||
| In Australia, you can only get a single shot. | ||
| And they're saying to me, I'm like, we're going to come next year and you guys are going to take us hunting. | ||
| This will be fun. | ||
| And he says, I said, why don't you come to Australia and hunt? | ||
| He goes, you're out of your fucking mind. | ||
| I'm not coming to Australia. | ||
| I go, what do you mean? | ||
| He goes, come to Australia and hunt. | ||
| You guys got the most dangerous animals in the world. | ||
| And I'm thinking like, you just said you hunt wolves and bears. | ||
| We didn't have shit that attacks us. | ||
| The only thing that attacks us are pigs. | ||
| Crocodiles? | ||
| Yeah, but the pigs attack us because we're chasing them. | ||
| We're in New South Wales, so there's no crocodiles. | ||
| Where are the crocodiles? | ||
| They're up in Northern Territories and stuff. | ||
| You've got to be careful you don't step in a puddle there. | ||
| Really? | ||
| There might be one hiding underwater. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| They're terrifying. | ||
| Yeah, you don't see them where we are, though. | ||
| But the thing is, for us, the scariest creature you're going to see is a brown snake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is deadly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they don't want to be there. | ||
| If you're hunting in bloody Canada, there's bears and polar bears if you keep going up, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But bears and wolves. | ||
| We don't have wolves. | ||
| We don't have things that attack us. | ||
| We don't have anything that attacks us. | ||
| Yeah, so the crocodiles, they're limited to one part of the island, but what about the water? | ||
| The swim, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, we're talking about bush hunting, right? | ||
| Like in a bush, right? | ||
| But swimming up on the top side of Australia, you don't just have to worry about sharks, you have to worry about crocodiles. | ||
| Crocodiles and sharks. | ||
| In the beach. | ||
| And what part is that? | ||
| It's like Darwin area, way up north. | ||
| Up above Queensland, Queensland sort of up above. | ||
| There's not much up there. | ||
| Have you guys seen that guy who claims to be Jesus in Queensland? | ||
| He's become fairly famous on the internet. | ||
| There was an internet expose about him. | ||
| I believe it was a British guy. | ||
| Went to Queensland and talked to this guy. | ||
| He's got a huge colony of people up there that believe he's Jesus. | ||
| He's got some woman with him that he says is Mary. | ||
| So she's a whore. | ||
| Well, you know, she's a reincarnated whore, sir. | ||
| I don't think her herself. | ||
| But apparently this guy's causing a stir up there and people are hoping he gets eaten by crocodiles. | ||
| He's got a good chance as long as there's a puddle around. | ||
| So it's that bad? | ||
| In terms of the puddles? | ||
| I mean, look, probably the crocodiles. | ||
| Pons, lakes, anything like that, right? | ||
| Look at me, like a bear, you could probably run around a tree. | ||
| Like a black bear, I don't know. | ||
| I've never seen one. | ||
| We're looking forward to actually doing it. | ||
| Run around a tree? | ||
| No, I'm saying as in like a black bear, you could probably shoot it or climb or something, right? | ||
| Not a brown bear, the smaller ones. | ||
| Do you know how fast a black bear can get up a tree? | ||
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I have no idea. | |
| We want to go next year. | ||
| Black bears can literally get up a tree as fast as they can run. | ||
| Ah, Jesus. | ||
| They go like this. | ||
| They just go up the tree. | ||
| You're not going to out-climb a black bear. | ||
| Do you reckon a good black belt could strangle one? | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't think you could. | ||
| You could shoot it. | ||
| I mean, most of them are scared of people because we usually have guns and bows and arrows and stuff. | ||
| But black bears are tricky, man. | ||
| I've never seen one. | ||
| They don't usually attack people. | ||
| Black bears are much more likely to run away from people than attack people. | ||
| People have died because of black bears. | ||
| Brown bears, on the other hand, are fucking terrifying. | ||
| Yeah, I hear so. | ||
| Grizzlies are a totally different animal. | ||
| What's that movie, Anthony Hopkins' one, with the bear that's bloody chasing him for that? | ||
| Oh yeah, I don't remember that. | ||
| I don't remember the name of it. | ||
| They're terrifying though. | ||
| The polar bears are the most dangerous. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, because they're 100% carnivorous. | ||
| The other ones are omnivores. | ||
| Even grizzly bears are omnivores. | ||
| Brown bears hunt a lot. | ||
| They'll kill moose and they chase moose and chase them down and kill them. | ||
| They chase antelope or rather a caribou and deer. | ||
| We don't have any of that stuff. | ||
| But they definitely kill people. | ||
| They kill people every year. | ||
| They kill people even in America every year. | ||
| That's brown bears. | ||
| Brown bears. | ||
| Brown bears and grizzlies are essentially the same bear. | ||
| Black bears are smaller but still very dangerous. | ||
| But all those bears, they eat different things. | ||
| They leave like roots and berries. | ||
| But if a polar bear sees you, they just go, oh shit, I can eat that. | ||
| And then they just start coming at you. | ||
| They all just want to eat. | ||
| Anything that's moving is on the menu. | ||
| What about wolves? | ||
| Do you think they're scarier than bears? | ||
| Wolves are scary as fuck because they act together. | ||
| The scary thing about wolves is they act together. | ||
| There haven't been very many attacks on human beings, but it's only because we figured out how to contain them and kill them. | ||
| There used to be a lot of them. | ||
| I mean, all that big bad wolf, all those stories, the Little Red Riding Hood and all that stuff, that all came about because at one point in time, before the wolf populations were put under control, especially back before they had really good weapons, wolves were a huge problem. | ||
| During World War I, the Russians and the Germans had a ceasefire because in the forest, they were killing so many troops. | ||
| The wolves, they ran into a super pack, and wolves, especially in the really cold climates, can form super packs. | ||
| There's also a principle of the further north you go, the larger the mammals are. | ||
| That's why polar bears are the biggest bears, and Kodiak bears. | ||
| Because the further north you go, the more they have to maintain their body mass in order to keep heat. | ||
| So you have enormous wolves. | ||
| And there were so many of them that they were killing so many Russian and German troops that they got together and they made a ceasefire. | ||
| They said, we're going to just kill these wolves and then we'll go back to killing each other. | ||
| It's a famous incident. | ||
| This guy, Monkey, was telling me. | ||
| I was like, wolves, whatever. | ||
| Because we've got dingoes. | ||
| And dingoes are kind of like crackheads. | ||
| If they kind of gang up and follow you, you know you're in trouble. | ||
| When was the last time I saw a dingo? | ||
| Well, my dad was jogging once. | ||
| He saw one dingo and he kept jogging and then he saw two. | ||
| He kept jogging and then he saw it on Fraser Island. | ||
| If you ever come to Australia, you've got to go to Fraser Island. | ||
| Best place in Australia. | ||
| And bring some anti-dingo weapons. | ||
| Well, you just don't jog on your own. | ||
| Bring Red Band or something. | ||
| How big are they? | ||
| They're like dogs. | ||
| They're like dogs? | ||
| Like 70 pounds, 60 pounds? | ||
| They're kind of like, you guys have got something similar in coyotes. | ||
| Yeah, something similar to them there. | ||
| They kill people every now and then. | ||
| A woman died a couple years ago, a folk singer up in Canada. | ||
| A bunch of coyotes killed her. | ||
| She was 19 years old, young kid. | ||
| Apparently a talented singer too. | ||
| But the wolves that they're starting to shoot now in North America are really fucking big. | ||
| Jamie, pull up a picture of a big wolf that someone's killed. | ||
| They kill these wolves and they take pictures of them after they shoot them. | ||
| They put them in bear hugs and hold them up so you see how big they are. | ||
| You know, they're 150, 200 pounds. | ||
| They're fucking huge. | ||
| I love dogs. | ||
| I could never shoot a dog. | ||
| You say that. | ||
| Yeah, what if it was a bloody wolf? | ||
| Circling you. | ||
| I love humans, but I'd shoot one of them. | ||
| Look at the size of that. | ||
| That's one of them. | ||
| That is insane. | ||
| But that's a perspective shot. | ||
| The wolf's in front of you. | ||
| It's hard to tell. | ||
| Show one of the ones where a guy's picking up a wolf. | ||
| Because there's some of them where guys are holding up these wolves and you're like, that is fucking insane. | ||
| It's bigger than a person. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Yeah, look at the size of that fucking thing. | ||
| And they have a lot of them now in places like Idaho and Montana. | ||
| They're starting to shoot them and put hunting seasons on them and put larger tag limits on them as well because they want more people to kill wolves. | ||
| That's a lion. | ||
| They're big. | ||
| There's another one. | ||
| Look at the size of that. | ||
| Australia, we've got the smallest, we've got the bloody little spider that kills you, and a snake. | ||
| Well, a lot of these are reintroduced in North America. | ||
| The thing is, they were almost decimated in North America, so they brought in the Canadian wolves to repopulate. | ||
| And then again, here's the issue. | ||
| The further north you go, the colder the weather is, the larger the animals are. | ||
| And so you get in these larger wolves. | ||
| I mean, they're the same species, technically, but it's just like white-tailed deer. | ||
| White-tailed deer in Mexico tend to only be like around 100 pounds. | ||
| But when you get up to Alberta, white-tailed deer get to like 250, 300 pounds sometimes because it's much colder and they need to have more body mass to keep their body heat up. | ||
| It's pretty amazing stuff. | ||
| Australia's pretty weak. | ||
| I mean, crocodile's probably the worst, I guess. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The funniest thing is when we were in Vegas yesterday, I met up with a friend of a friend and I was like, you and your boyfriend have got to come to Sydney sometime. | ||
| I'm like, Sydney? | ||
| If I go there, everything wants to kill me. | ||
| I've heard that like 10 times. | ||
| Where does that come from? | ||
| Everything's trying to kill me. | ||
| We've got spiders, snakes. | ||
| Yeah, but you're one of the only Americans who's been there. | ||
| That's how you know. | ||
| Well, here's the thing. | ||
| And she's like, oh, man, I heard about those drop bears. | ||
| And I was like, are you serious? | ||
| Don't give that away. | ||
| You don't know about drop bears, do you? | ||
| What's a drop bear? | ||
| Drop bear is kind of an alternative species of koala bear. | ||
| You know koala bears? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they hang out in trees and they drop on people's heads. | ||
| They don't know why, but for some reason, the way Americans talk, they, um, you get where we're going with this. | ||
| They fucking hate Americans? | ||
| They fucking hate Americans. | ||
| It's the accent. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| It's basically like, well, yeah, that's the drop bear. | ||
| That's the gray ones. | ||
| See if you can pull a black one off. | ||
| Let the fuck out of here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not real. | ||
| It's, yeah, no. | ||
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| A koala bear with giant fangs. | ||
| Look out black. | ||
| Black drop bear. | ||
| They only attack Americans. | ||
| Australian black drop bear. | ||
| They only attack Americans. | ||
| Are you trying to keep Americans out of Australia? | ||
| We may or may not be doing that. | ||
| Are you guys fucking with us? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Come on, are you fucking with us? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| If we say anything, I'm sure when we get back to the visa section at our airport, they may take our passports. | ||
| How is it possible that these koala bears... | ||
| This shit is Photoshopped, son. | ||
| Drop bears. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| This is bullshit, isn't it? | ||
| It's something about the pitch and the smell of the American pheromones. | ||
| It's the mustard. | ||
| Something about red meat. | ||
| I smell bullshit. | ||
| You're smelling the right thing. | ||
| Okay, why are you bullshitting people? | ||
| They don't know any better. | ||
| In Australia, it's just a thing. | ||
| Every time you meet an American, koala bears are the most harmless, bloody, useless thing. | ||
| I've seen like three in my life. | ||
| They make little chocolate treats. | ||
| So these images with his fake teeth, it's fake. | ||
| It's an Australian joke. | ||
| But obviously, like this girl yesterday was like... | ||
| No, they're terrified. | ||
| They're like, you know, what about those drop bears? | ||
| I'm like, are you serious? | ||
| Tell that bitch to go online. | ||
| You find out in two seconds. | ||
| The first thing when you Google drop bears is museum of hoaxes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that's hilarious. | ||
| All we've got to worry about are pigs with short legs and pretty much pigs and kangaroos. | ||
| Yeah, brown snakes. | ||
| Do you guys eat kangaroo here? | ||
| You can get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you can get it. | ||
| You can get it. | ||
| Like, there's exotic meat places where they'll... | ||
| It's pretty cold in Australia. | ||
| There's a place that serves... | ||
| You can buy lion meat. | ||
| You can buy lion. | ||
| It's not going to be fresh. | ||
| It's all going to be frozen. | ||
| All of it's going to be frozen. | ||
| But there's exotic meat companies. | ||
| People are into trying weird shit like zebra and stuff like that. | ||
| What is zebra like? | ||
| I had a lot of the... | ||
| We ate something called dryvos, which is like dried sausage and biltong. | ||
| It's like your jerky. | ||
| Made out of zebra. | ||
| They've got everything there. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, it's some really good stuff. | ||
| Well, I know that there's these different places that you can go in Africa where you can shoot anything you want. | ||
| And Louis Theroux had a whole special about it. | ||
| It's really quite fascinating. | ||
| Did you watch that? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| By the way, when you had that podcast, I was geeking out because when I hear that guy talk, I just want to hug him. | ||
| He's just like such a charming fellow. | ||
| He's very cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's very interesting too. | ||
| I really, really enjoy talking to him. | ||
| My mom loves him. | ||
| If you listen to this, Louie, my mom, Mrs. Apter loves you. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
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| It was interesting having him on because somewhere along the line, I realized that he was sizing me up to figure out whether or not he could do a story on me. | ||
| Louis would. | ||
| Yeah, there was... | ||
| Well, I think he thinks that I'm starting a cult or something like that, or he heard it, because he's like, I've met all these people that tell me I have to go on the Joe Rogan podcast. | ||
| And he's like, they have this thing in their eye, they look a little crazy. | ||
| And he's like, are you starting a cult? | ||
| Like, he had this conversation with me, and I'm like, no, man. | ||
| No, if it's happening, it's not me. | ||
| We had a bunch of guys sign up to our academy. | ||
| They're not there anymore, but they signed up and they said... | ||
| Yeah, we listened to the Joe Rogan podcast. | ||
| He says we need to do jiu-jitsu, lift kettlebells and smoke weed. | ||
| So these guys would, they bought kettlebells. | ||
| These are IT nerds, like the dorkiest dudes you've ever seen, right? | ||
| They bought the kettlebells. | ||
| I'm pretty sure they didn't take them out of the box. | ||
| And after training every day, they go smoke weed in their car. | ||
| And like, it was just absolutely what you prescribed in your cult. | ||
| I'm not prescribing shit. | ||
| I'm not running a cult. | ||
| I just want to state that for the record. | ||
| There is no cult. | ||
| Stop looking for a sign-up sheet on my website. | ||
| It doesn't exist. | ||
| But the thing I was going to say about, which is interesting about the internet, we were talking about this on the way here, is like in my gym, each person or has their own kind of little... | ||
| Okay, so for example, like most guys listen to your show, right? | ||
| That do martial arts. | ||
| But they each tend to diversify. | ||
| Like, one guy goes, yeah, no, I'm not into Joe Rogan anymore. | ||
| I'm into Duncan Trussell. | ||
| He's more kind of like, you know, my kind of, like, tempo or vibe. | ||
| You know, like, all the kids have now, like, chosen their... | ||
| Their paths. | ||
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| Well, it's a cool time to, like, for content because everything's free, too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, it used to be that if you wanted different stuff online... | ||
| Well, first of all, podcasts didn't exist just 10 years ago. | ||
| You couldn't find them. | ||
| And then second of all, to have different radio shows that you listen to is very difficult to get a hold of copies. | ||
| I have a bunch of Terrence McKenna recordings and Alan Watts and a few different interesting people, like a few Timothy Leary things that I've downloaded here and there from various websites. | ||
| But you had to search for them. | ||
| It was really hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We used to have a little CD of you, and I remember I was saying the first time we heard your stuff was my friends in high school, and this is 15 years ago or something, smoking cigarettes and listening to this crazy dude on a CD talking about little athletes going to China and stuff. | ||
| That was probably like your older stuff, right? | ||
| Little athletes going to China? | ||
| You know, like the school teacher comes up to them. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| That was about the Olympics. | ||
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| It wasn't about Chinese. | ||
| Sorry, I messed it up. | ||
| That's why you're the comedian. | ||
| It was about someone going to the Olympics and then having to go to high school after they win the gold medal in the Olympics and take math seriously. | ||
| The teacher starts giving them shit about not doing their homework. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the thing is that your stand-up, and probably back in the day, like Bill Hicks and stuff, was kind of a dirty little secret that made me sound smarter at parties, you know? | ||
| And nowadays, everybody listens to podcasts. | ||
| It's great, which is great. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| I'm just saying as an... | ||
| There's no dirty little secret anymore. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, that's the thing that people love. | ||
| They love knowing things before it's cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, oh, I knew it before it was mainstream. | ||
| It's all bullshit now. | ||
| I don't even listen to Rogan anymore. | ||
| He's all bullshit. | ||
| That's for fucking people that are just now getting into podcasts. | ||
| I'm all about Duncan Trussell now. | ||
| That's what his psychic Ben does. | ||
| Psychic Ben's like, oh, I can't say Ben's name. | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| People will do that, they'll do that, and then they'll bend. | ||
| Yeah, he likes me. | ||
| They'll bend and dunk in after a while, and then they'll go to another guy. | ||
| But it's fine. | ||
| Look, I do that too. | ||
| I get in these streaks where I'll get into a certain podcast, and I'll listen to only Hardcore History for like six months. | ||
| And then I'll go with Radiolab. | ||
| I'll listen to only Radiolab for three months. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| You get annoyed at people, too, if you listen to them too much. | ||
| I've heard people complain about me. | ||
| Yo, your podcast changed. | ||
| I used to love it. | ||
| No, it hasn't changed. | ||
| It's exactly the same. | ||
| You listen to someone after a while, they become fucking annoying. | ||
| That's why marriages break up. | ||
| That's why you don't hang out with the same fucking guy every day, all day. | ||
| You get bored with people. | ||
| Fucking people get annoying, man. | ||
| Everything gets annoying. | ||
| I love cheeseburgers, but I've had a fucking cheeseburger every day. | ||
| I'd want to shoot myself. | ||
| After a while, you'd be like, Jesus Christ, enough with the cheeseburgers. | ||
| And the quality of the guest has been slowly sinking, I see, as well. | ||
| Because you guys are here? | ||
| I had Eliza Schlesinger on before you, and she won Last Comic Standing. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And she's hilarious, so how dare you? | ||
| Well, you know, I think one of the keys to the podcast is that I put people on that I would like to talk to. | ||
| Genuine interest is the most important thing to me. | ||
| And people say, oh, you need to have this kind of person or that or more science people or more whatever. | ||
| I'm not interested. | ||
| What I'm interested in is what I'm interested in. | ||
| I'm not interested in diversifying for anybody else's ideas. | ||
| That way, the thing that I talk about is always something that I'm genuinely fascinated with. | ||
| And that's all I'm concerned with. | ||
| You've been promoting a lot of people doing podcasts, as in like telling them to do their own podcast. | ||
| Sure, yeah. | ||
| I did that with Eliza earlier. | ||
| I think there's plenty of room. | ||
| First of all, there's seven fucking billion people on the planet, 300 million people in this country, and the idea that you should only want people to listen to your podcast is foolish. | ||
| And from what I stated before, you're going to get bored of me. | ||
| There should be a lot of other shit you tune into. | ||
| There's plenty of room for everybody. | ||
| Podcast also, I think the better you get at something, the more you do it. | ||
| And when I say the podcast is the same as it's always been, I don't necessarily know because I think I've probably changed as a human being. | ||
| I'm evolving, at least I try to, constantly working on myself. | ||
| So I would hope that the podcast gets better. | ||
| Along the way, you kind of realize that there's plenty for everybody. | ||
| But I'm like that with everything, man. | ||
| I promote all my friends when it comes to stand-up comedy, when it comes to everything. | ||
| I think that the idea of only promoting yourself or only pushing yourself, that's a famine mentality. | ||
| And I think that mentality is a very dangerous mentality. | ||
| It's foolhardy. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| And it promotes this sort of desperate sort of thinking, which... | ||
| I think goes against the very nature of progress itself. | ||
| I think it's all about helping people out. | ||
| It's all about promoting ideas that you find beneficial, promoting people that you enjoy their work or their ideas. | ||
| And I think that the more you do that, the better it is for you and the better it is for everybody. | ||
| Can I ask you with regard to, like, he's and my friend are starting a podcast, right? | ||
| What advice? | ||
| He was writing a book originally. | ||
| That was the original thing. | ||
| But writing's not really his thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or mine, really. | ||
| Do you think a podcast is a good place to start? | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| Stuff like that? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
| It's not hard. | ||
| I mean, you don't need a setup like this where it's all so complicated with cameras and all that shit. | ||
| All you need is an MP3. Yeah, you don't need a predator or a lava lamp or a salt rock. | ||
| All you need is an MP3 recorder and microphones. | ||
| It's super easy to do for a couple hundred bucks. | ||
| You set it up. | ||
| You put it on a table. | ||
| You sit around with some chairs and you talk and you get better. | ||
| You do it at first and you listen to them and you listen to input online. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
| Listen to what people say. | ||
| Oh, you talk over people too much or you interrupt too much. | ||
| And sometimes people do things along those lines. | ||
| They don't even realize they're doing it. | ||
| And you have to tell them. | ||
| Or some people, they're not listening. | ||
| They're just waiting for their turn to talk. | ||
| There's a lot of that going on too. | ||
| It's funny when you're saying that. | ||
| I'm conscious of myself doing that. | ||
| In terms of I'm like, okay, hold on. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay, just hold back. | ||
| Well, there's an art to conversation and that's one of the things you find out about doing podcasts. | ||
| You find out about the art of conversation. | ||
| You find out about the art of when to talk, when not to talk, listening, actually interacting with people instead of just trying to say your things. | ||
| There's some people that are frustrating to do podcasts with because all they're trying to do is impress upon you how much they know and spout out facts and quote people and you're like, Jesus fucking Christ, did you even listen to what I said? | ||
| You just waited until I was done and then you spit out a bunch of quotes and shit that are not even related. | ||
| They have this idea that they want to get out and A lot of it is like trying to sound cool. | ||
| It's a lot of ego. | ||
| There's a lot involved that you find these parallels in just a normal conversation. | ||
| I'm shocked sometimes when I talk to people about how bad people are at interrupting people, not listening to people when they're talking. | ||
| So podcasting just makes you better at the art of conversation. | ||
| And the better you get at it, the less awkward a podcast is to listen to. | ||
| So you just do it, man. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
| Start it. | ||
| You'll get good at it. | ||
| So that's the plan. | ||
| Isn't that hard, man? | ||
| You guys can do it. | ||
| You hang in here easy. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| You guys are smart. | ||
| You're articulate. | ||
| You're easy to talk to. | ||
| You're down to earth. | ||
| It's perfect for a podcast. | ||
| Set it up. | ||
| Put a fucking MP3 recorder, a couple of microphones, bam, and you're off to the races. | ||
| We did one on the Growing Down site, and we recorded it 20 times before we released it. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because, look, we were sitting there with my friend who's a psychologist, and Dylan and I were there, and we recorded about 20 before that, and it was just like... | ||
| Man, just listen to yourself. | ||
| And also on top of that, he was very concerned how people would see him as a professional because he's being open and speaking his mind. | ||
| He's a really funny guy. | ||
| Jonathan, the guy Jonathan Bach, he's a really funny guy, but he was a bit concerned. | ||
| It took us about 20 times for him to stop playing a character. | ||
| You know, like Dr. Katz slash Hannibal Lecter. | ||
| So, you know, like somewhere between the two. | ||
| And he looks like Vince Vaughn. | ||
| So he's having a hard time relaxing and being himself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that happens. | ||
| That happens and that'll be taken care of in time. | ||
| You just gotta do it. | ||
| Just do it after a while. | ||
| I mean, I have friends that sucked at podcasting in the beginning and now they're awesome at it. | ||
| It just takes time. | ||
| You figure out how to do it right. | ||
| Some people, by the way, they fucking never get better. | ||
| They'll podcast for hundreds of episodes and they still say stupid shit and jump in the wrong time and fuck up the flow of the conversation and make it all about them. | ||
| It's... | ||
| You're going to have that too. | ||
| You're going to have guests on or disasters that you're never going to have on again and you recognize that while you're talking to them like, oh fuck, I can never have this guy on again. | ||
| Some people are just not fucking interesting. | ||
| You don't even know why. | ||
| What is it about one person's personality that makes them fascinating? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is it honesty? | ||
| Is it their curiosity? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Everybody's got a different thing. | ||
| Sometimes I were talking before about some people, we're talking about what, and meanwhile I've just talked over him for the whole podcast, I brought him here. | ||
| No, no, you didn't. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| No, you guys are all interacting. | ||
| It's cool. | ||
| But the thing was, sometimes it kind of feels like people aren't ready to hear some stuff in terms of holding back. | ||
| And I wonder if that comes across as boring when you're trying to You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, we're talking about some of the stuff, some of your stories is like, maybe not for, I don't know, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, it might come across as not being willing to share, you know what I mean? | ||
| Oh, I don't think so. | ||
| You can't overthink things either. | ||
| You gotta just put it out and then listen to the feedback. | ||
| Listen to it yourself, but sometimes it's hard to see yourself the way other people see you. | ||
| You know, you have to... | ||
| And then it's also... | ||
| It's going to be hard listening to the feedback because a bunch of people are going to write, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, fucking boring, kill yourself. | ||
| I mean, there's going to be a lot of that. | ||
| You're going to have to deal with that. | ||
| Your own parents? | ||
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No. | |
| You're going to have to deal with that. | ||
| But listen, I would think that just your stories about Thailand, I mean, just the story that you were telling me about dealing with those bodies, just that alone, like, holy shit. | ||
| What were you telling me? | ||
| You were telling me today something about the eating... | ||
| I remember you talking about... | ||
| I haven't heard any of this stuff. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the stories, a lot of them are, you know, I think funny to me, like being of a Jewish background, for example, I never ate pork. | ||
| It was just what we didn't... | ||
| I don't know, it's a part of my religion, but like... | ||
| Now I can't stop you. | ||
| I fucking love pork. | ||
| Yeah, you know, we're transporting bodies off on one boat and we'll sit in the middle making sure no bodies jumped off the side or fell off the side and then we'll transport food back onto the island without cleaning anything. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then they'll prepare food. | ||
| There'll be flies. | ||
| It was pretty bad. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| And then I was starving. | ||
| I was like, man, we're going to eat. | ||
| And we were vomiting a lot just from the smells and stuff. | ||
| I was like, you know, let's, you know, I need some food, man. | ||
| I've got to eat now. | ||
| So I went over there. | ||
| I'm like, what is this packet? | ||
| There's just like flies everywhere. | ||
| I'm like, no, fuck that. | ||
| I'm not eating that. | ||
| And then I said, no, I've got to eat something. | ||
| So I had just a little packet and I ate it. | ||
| I was like, this stuff is frigging awesome. | ||
| So I said to the Thai person, I'm like, what is this? | ||
| They're like, oh, so I'm thinking, it must be a cow. | ||
| So I'm eating this stuff, and I got so addicted to it that I got them to write it down in English and Thai for me. | ||
| Then when I went back to the mainland and for many, many trips after, I kept ordering the same dish. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| And my friend turns around to me and goes, dude, since when do you eat pork? | ||
| I'm like, it's not pork. | ||
| It's moo. | ||
| It's cow. | ||
| Like cow. | ||
| I think his tires probably looked at me like, oh, this white guy. | ||
| And I was like, oh, you know, they're just making the sound of the animal, but moo actually translates to pork. | ||
| So I've been eating pork for like 10 years. | ||
| I didn't even know it was pork. | ||
| And there was just so much miscommunication and translation problems and there's lots of little things in it. | ||
| So you still thought that you were adhering to your religious principles? | ||
| Look, I probably would have in it anyway. | ||
| Like, you know, we eat prawns and stuff, but it was so good, man. | ||
| I've never given it up. | ||
| I love pork. | ||
| Yeah, prawns are against the religion as well. | ||
| A lot of people don't know. | ||
| Shellfish, right? | ||
| You're not supposed to eat shellfish. | ||
| But Jews love the unlimited shrimp buffet, so... | ||
| Yeah, pretty much. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| That's hilarious that shrimp gets a pass, but pork, clove and hoof. | ||
| Have you ever had wild pork? | ||
| We hunted it but never eaten it. | ||
| You can't eat it in Australia. | ||
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Why not? | |
| It's the worms. | ||
| A lot of worms. | ||
| They're pretty gross. | ||
| So they take the babies, they capture the babies and they deworm them and send them to Germany. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because they love the boars. | ||
| I didn't know boars were pigs for the first. | ||
| When I watched Asterix and Obelix, I was like, boars? | ||
| I didn't know boars were pigs. | ||
| They were like this mythical creature. | ||
| Well, apparently it's all the same species. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I had a guy, there's a guy that I hunt with that's been on the podcast. | ||
| His name is Steve Rinella. | ||
| Have you ever listened to him? | ||
| I bought him your book, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, great book. | ||
| But he said they're all from the genus Suscrafa. | ||
| They're all the same thing. | ||
| He said a wild pig can breed with a domestic pig. | ||
| They're all pigs. | ||
| There's a thing about pigs that happens, too. | ||
| When you take a domestic pig and they get loose in the wild, within three weeks, their body starts to change. | ||
| They metamorphosize. | ||
| Their hair gets longer and thicker and bushier. | ||
| Their tusks grow. | ||
| Their nose grows. | ||
| Really fascinating stuff. | ||
| Did you get that fact from him? | ||
| You've been telling me that for a few years? | ||
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I've been telling him. | |
| That's what I said. | ||
| He used to make me sound smarter at parties. | ||
| Now everyone listens to your show. | ||
| Now I know where you're really getting it from. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, man. | ||
| You told me that like a couple weeks back. | ||
| I can't get away with anything anymore. | ||
| And hunting. | ||
| They morph. | ||
| It's really fascinating. | ||
| They look physically different than the pigs that you have in domestic stables. | ||
| They change their appearance. | ||
| Their nose grows longer. | ||
| It's really weird. | ||
| They get tusks and stuff, right? | ||
| Yeah, and that's a domestic pig. | ||
| They start to look like horse. | ||
| You guys have a problem with it here as well, huh? | ||
| Huge, huge problem. | ||
| Huge problem. | ||
| American hoggers. | ||
| Yeah, there's no tag limits on them in California. | ||
| You could shoot as many as you want, man. | ||
| You could go shoot pigs all day. | ||
| I can't do it, man, but he likes... | ||
| You can't shoot pigs? | ||
| No, I just... | ||
| In Australia, you don't shoot pigs. | ||
| You dog... | ||
| Oh, and then you stab them. | ||
| I can't do that, man. | ||
| But we've got, depends where you are in New South Wales, but you can kill pigs and kangaroos if they're destroying the land. | ||
| But you've got to understand like Skippy. | ||
| Did you ever watch Skippy back in the day? | ||
| The bush kangaroo? | ||
| Skippy the bush kangaroo. | ||
| He was kind of like Mr. Ed. | ||
| He's like the Australian Mr. Ed. | ||
| He didn't talk. | ||
| But he was kind of that character. | ||
| He was a good guy. | ||
| He was pretty much like Captain America, about as interesting. | ||
| He was basically like a hero that didn't really do anything, say anything too interesting. | ||
| You like Captain America, don't you? | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| I find him dull. | ||
| Is it Skippy? | ||
| That's Skippy! | ||
| So it's like Lassie. | ||
| Can I tell you something you haven't seen? | ||
| Something very Australian. | ||
| So when we go hunting and the farmers want to kill the kangaroos, it's really hard for us because it's like... | ||
| Because it's Skippy? | ||
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It's Skippy! | |
| We grew up with Skippy. | ||
| We grew up with Skippy. | ||
| There's some kangaroos that are bigger, right? | ||
| Is it red ones or the grey ones? | ||
| Red ones are bigger. | ||
| The red ones are scary, yeah. | ||
| How big do they get? | ||
| I saw one at the zoo, Taronga Zoo in Sydney, which, by the way, if you ever go... | ||
| Did you go to Taronga Zoo? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These kangaroos... | ||
| I haven't seen kangaroos in the wild this big. | ||
| They were massive. | ||
| The ones we see are small ones. | ||
| If you hit one, like a kangaroo, Oh, Jesus. | ||
| You know, people talk about kangaroos like, oh, they're so cute and this and that. | ||
| And they are cute. | ||
| They taste really good as well. | ||
| But, you know, like, they're on the roads everywhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, one, it wasn't even longer. | ||
| It was like two, three months ago. | ||
| You're reading the newspaper. | ||
| A kangaroo went, because they jump in front of you like deer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not as, you know, they jump a lot higher. | ||
| But, and they look at the headlights like, oh, what's this? | ||
| And then, boom, you hit them. | ||
| But what happens is it went through because the way they're built, like deer, it hits, it rolls over the car. | ||
| Whereas this kangaroo went through front to back and killed the kid in the back. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| You see them everywhere on the road, wombats and kangaroos. | ||
| When we were out about a year ago, one tried to jump through the window while we were driving. | ||
| We don't personally hunt kangaroos, but you can do it in a certain area. | ||
| There's just too many of them, it gets boring. | ||
| But the one thing I was going to say, I don't know, Americans probably haven't seen this, and there was a bit of a legal thing going on in Australia, but it just reminded me of Skippy. | ||
| There's a show called Home and Away. | ||
| You've seen Home and Away? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| It's very popular in England. | ||
| I've heard of it. | ||
| I've never seen it, but I've heard of it. | ||
| It's like a 902 and 0-ish thing anyway. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's this very wholesome character called Alf. | ||
| Oh, he's great. | ||
| Have you seen this? | ||
| You can swear on your podcast. | ||
| Are you serious? | ||
| Are you swearing all fucking dead? | ||
| Yeah, it's true. | ||
| But it's just second nature. | ||
| But if you can get Jamie to load up Alf. | ||
| Not Alf like the alien. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That guy was creepy. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Alf is like a wholesome sort of fatherly character on a small town show that everyone likes, right? | ||
| And what kind of animal is he? | ||
| He's not an animal. | ||
| But he is in this, what we're going to show you. | ||
| So there was this whole thing in Australia. | ||
| What happened was he... | ||
| Give Jamie the name of it. | ||
| Okay, look up Alf, Mr. Doodleburger. | ||
| So basically what happened was a guy took all existing Home and Away stuff and he dubbed over it and made Alf into this character who's basically like a serial killer slash murder rapist that loves like little Colombian boys. | ||
| And now it's been quoted all over but it ended up on the news because they tried to sue the guy. | ||
| Yeah, that's kind of a douchey thing to do. | ||
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It is. | |
| Poor Alf. | ||
| But it is hilarious. | ||
| And we have to show you. | ||
| Because Americans don't know what we're talking about. | ||
| We don't have Hollywood. | ||
| Okay, this is one of them. | ||
| That's Alf. | ||
| What's the music? | ||
| Oh, where's the sound? | ||
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Are you playing music for something else? | |
| Okay, just a video. | ||
| Well, Americas, we don't really have too many of those videos available, probably. | ||
| Try and look up ALF awards. | ||
| Is this really important? | ||
| You have to see it, because it's a very Australian thing. | ||
| ALF awards? | ||
| Award ceremony. | ||
| And it caused a lot of problems in Australia, a lot of controversy. | ||
| And basically, your average Australian quotes it all the time. | ||
| But Americans have no idea. | ||
| They quote this video? | ||
| This video. | ||
| Because it's so ridiculous? | ||
| It's so ridiculous. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I'm trying to judge whether you've got the patience for it right now. | ||
| I'm not sure, but you do have to see it. | ||
| Look up Alpha. | ||
| So you can never kill a kangaroo, basically. | ||
| I couldn't. | ||
| No, but the guys we go with do and they eat it and stuff like that. | ||
| Is this it? | ||
| This is it. | ||
| Can we put the volume? | ||
| Wait, is this it? | ||
| I'll tell you now. | ||
| This might be the real thing. | ||
| It might be the real thing, which instead of the fake thing. | ||
| No, I don't think this is it. | ||
| Forget it. | ||
| I'll Twitter it to you guys and you can check it out because it's outrageous. | ||
| So you couldn't do the pig hunting thing because of the way they do it where they stick dogs on them and then stab it? | ||
| Look, they stick dogs and they stab it. | ||
| That's a real common way to do it. | ||
| The country boys are a bit desensitized to it and they're real nice dudes as well. | ||
| They're nice guys. | ||
| I don't feel like that's hunting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a weird way to do it. | ||
| Holding it down with a dog and then stabbing it in the neck. | ||
| You know, you can shoot them. | ||
| It's still dangerous though. | ||
| It sure is, but why don't they shoot them? | ||
| You can't. | ||
| So like with the terrain, it's quite hard to find them. | ||
| Well, you kill the dogs. | ||
| So a lot of the dogs, there's different types of dog hunting. | ||
| But why are they using dogs? | ||
| So they normally sniff them out and get them running. | ||
| But with the dog, you don't want to use the gun in case you shoot the dog as well. | ||
| So is it just such a dense terrain that you can't find them any other way? | ||
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Sometimes. | |
| Yeah, generally. | ||
| I mean, look, I was against it and then I went to the farms and I was hanging out with the guys and they, you know, like anything, they've got their own logic, you know, and it makes sense. | ||
| The rationale is, look, it cost us a hundred grand last year. | ||
| And, you know, it's basically like, look, we're growing food for people and they're destroying it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So therefore we kill them. | ||
| Well, they're very different than any other animal, and they're also very smart, and they breed all year round. | ||
| They have many litters of many pigs all year round. | ||
| They have a huge problem with it in America, especially in Texas. | ||
| Texas is so bad that they've allowed them to start shooting them out of helicopters with machine guns. | ||
| Have you seen that? | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| Want to see something fucked up? | ||
| Pull up Pigman and Ted Nugent. | ||
| It's Apocalypse Now. | ||
| Apocalypse Now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They get on a fucking helicopter and they fly over these... | ||
| Well, these places are literally infested with pigs. | ||
| They have so many pigs in these farms and they destroy millions of dollars worth of crops every year. | ||
| There's at least 5 million pigs in Texas. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You've also got that show with those hot chicks and the fake boobs running around catching pigs. | ||
| $1.5 billion in damage per year. | ||
| $1.5 billion? | ||
| Yeah, $1.5 billion. | ||
| I mean, that's incredible. | ||
| See, that's the thing. | ||
| Americans get these machine guns. | ||
| We've got bolt actions. | ||
| See, that guy, that's Pigman. | ||
| Pigman has a show where he just shoots pigs all year round. | ||
| That's Ted Nugent. | ||
| He's an American patriot. | ||
| Yeah, I've been hearing you talking about it. | ||
| Can I ask you, do you think someone can do this and be well balanced? | ||
| Like, as a person? | ||
| Mentally, maybe? | ||
| What? | ||
| No, I'm not talking about just hunting. | ||
| I mean, as in, like, hardcore animal slaughter... | ||
| Well, you know, it depends on what you're doing it for. | ||
| I mean, what these people are doing with this Apocalypse Now video where they're shooting them out of helicopters, they actually have to eradicate these pigs from these farms. | ||
| They're growing in population at a staggering rate and they can't control them. | ||
| They have no other options other than hiring hunters. | ||
| So they have companies that they hire to have people come in and shoot these pigs. | ||
| They bring people on. | ||
| And they give the meat to families. | ||
| Oh, so it's not just thrown in the... | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| The hunters for the hungry. | ||
| Look, they're just delicious. | ||
| The meat is fantastic. | ||
| I shot a wild pig a few months back, and I made a ham recently. | ||
| I brined this ham for six days and then smoked it for a day. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Delicious. | ||
| I mean, it was so good. | ||
| I'm going to do it again in a couple of weeks. | ||
| I have another ham and a couple of shoulders. | ||
| You guys do meat much better than us. | ||
| We do barbecue well, but you guys are... | ||
| I went to Kansas and... | ||
| Oh, Kansas barbecue is legit. | ||
| Kansas City? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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After... | |
| What's the one? | ||
| They've got that popular... | ||
| I don't know the name of it. | ||
| There's a bunch of really good Kansas City barbecue spots. | ||
| I've never heard of burnt ends before. | ||
| Oh, yeah, man. | ||
| You guys have got a deep culture of food here. | ||
| Aussies are a bit simple like that. | ||
| Steak on the barbecue. | ||
| Texas is no joke too. | ||
| You want to get some barbecued pig in Texas. | ||
| This Porkman, this Pigman guy, Porkman, Pigman has a show now called Boss Hog and it's all about his, he has a barbecue place and he shoots the pigs then brings them to the barbecue place and they serve these wild pigs that they barbecue. | ||
| Sounds awesome. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| It's so healthy for you too. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, they're much healthier animals. | ||
| What pork is? | ||
| These wild pigs. | ||
| Because it's a dark meat. | ||
| They had this campaign in America called pork, the other white meat, and they would show pork as white meat. | ||
| That's unhealthy pork. | ||
| If the pork is white, it's like anemic. | ||
| It's like veal. | ||
| Wild pork is dark. | ||
| It's like a deeper, redder color. | ||
| Have you had it? | ||
| I haven't had it. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| You haven't had it? | ||
| You have to make sure you cook it all the way through because of trichinosis. | ||
| Because trichinosis comes from animals eating other animals that have trichinosis. | ||
| So these animals could possibly get it from rats or rabbits or anything else. | ||
| They eat a lot of deer, babies. | ||
| They eat ground eggs, ground laying birds. | ||
| We've caught one eating each other. | ||
| Oh yeah, they'll eat anything. | ||
| They're animals. | ||
| Pigs, they're smart as shit too. | ||
| They see you coming. | ||
| They see you, they hear you, they smell you, they fucking bolt. | ||
| We saw one of the farmers, there was a whole family, and he went to shoot at them, and the two adult pigs ran one direction, and the kids ran the line up and escaped, and obviously they didn't talk to each other and plan it, but it was brilliant. | ||
| That's funny. | ||
| Yeah, it looked almost planned. | ||
| Well, they're smart as dogs. | ||
| They're smart, you know? | ||
| They're tricky animals. | ||
| And delicious. | ||
| And delicious. | ||
| See, we're smart Australians. | ||
| We kill them, and then we shoot them off to Germany. | ||
| The only people smart enough to eat them. | ||
| The Thais eat pork much? | ||
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I don't even know. | |
| I didn't know about the worm thing that you guys have. | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of worms in the kangaroos as well. | ||
| Really? | ||
| The kangaroos, cheap meat for us, you know? | ||
| What does it taste like? | ||
| It's very gamey. | ||
| You've got to know how to cook it properly. | ||
| What's it like? | ||
| But it's... | ||
| It's not the nicest meat, but it's 99% fat-free apparently. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure. | ||
| Probably very lean. | ||
| Strong. | ||
| All the lifters, it's promoted to them. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Kangaroo meat. | ||
| Yeah, it's low fat. | ||
| I worry because basically they kill it and then refrigerate it. | ||
| Fresh. | ||
| Well, they kill it and then put it in the thing, but it's not... | ||
| Like bread, you know what I mean? | ||
| It's like, you know, it's some hunter on a farm killing it, chucking it. | ||
| I don't really know what the process is. | ||
| It's not bread. | ||
| What do you mean it's not bread? | ||
| No, I mean like as in there's no farms with kangaroos where they kill, you know, give it health checks and then kill it and then produce it. | ||
| I'm not saying that's better or worse. | ||
| I just mean as in, you know, it shows up in your Woolworths. | ||
| What do you guys have? | ||
| Not Walmarts. | ||
| Do you guys have like Metro or... | ||
| It's like our local supermarket. | ||
| Local supermarket. | ||
| We've got Woolworths. | ||
| I don't know what you guys have. | ||
| But I kind of think like, you know, how well is this? | ||
| Do they have a Department of Agriculture or anything like that? | ||
| I'm sure they do, yeah. | ||
| And do they check them, inspect them? | ||
| I'm sure they do. | ||
| You couldn't sell it. | ||
| Yeah, my friend's a professional, Terry, who we go to the farm slot. | ||
| He's got a little Thai boxing gym out there. | ||
| And we've been going there for a couple of years. | ||
| And he was a professional hunter for a long time. | ||
| And bull rider. | ||
| Yeah, and bull rider who got me into it. | ||
| And he turned around and was like, man, I've never eaten kangaroo. | ||
| Like, I've been shooting these things since I was a kid. | ||
| He said, man, if you saw what was in them, like, and how we did it, you probably wouldn't eat it. | ||
| Now, that's only one person. | ||
| What was in them? | ||
| In what way? | ||
| A lot of them had worms, but it might just be that. | ||
| They checked the intestines. | ||
| Yeah, it might just be that area. | ||
| I don't know how we got on this topic so much, but it's a good topic. | ||
| Pigs? | ||
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Worms? | |
| I don't know where we started. | ||
| Well, those kangaroos. | ||
| The thing is funny enough, I was saying to Dylan, when we went out to the farm, you know, I'm very conscious of my diet. | ||
| I'm sure you guys are too, you know. | ||
| We went out to the farm, the farm boys, they tend to not really think about diet. | ||
| So they'll eat red meat sometimes and a Red Bull and that's all they'll eat for three days. | ||
| They don't eat vegetables. | ||
| I mean, they do obviously sit down and have a meal here and there, you know. | ||
| But we went out there and Dylan and I were sitting there and we bought our supplies in our little bag and, you know, we had our snacks and all this and that. | ||
| And we were eating all the time. | ||
| Eating all the time, right? | ||
| And the boys didn't really eat much. | ||
| And after a while, we realized we were eating because we're anxious. | ||
| We're not used to having nothing to do. | ||
| And we'd just automatically pull out a bar and just start eating it, you know? | ||
| And after a while, we just started doing what the boys did. | ||
| And I started thinking, man, I'm going to get sick. | ||
| I'm going to feel gross. | ||
| I'm going to feel unhealthy. | ||
| But after a couple of days, I started to realize, like, I think we put a bit too much emphasis on what we eat because we ate red meat straight for four days almost. | ||
| And we had a little bit of this and that. | ||
| And because we weren't eating a lot of it, we actually felt quite healthy. | ||
| Like, hasn't our body adapted to kind of just doing what we were doing? | ||
| I was really concerned. | ||
| I was like, man, I'm going to feel queasy. | ||
| I'm going to get constipated. | ||
| You know, like all that sort of stuff. | ||
| But when you're out there and you're doing it, you're just eating it, it seems like maybe we overemphasize veggies a little too much. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| It's certainly not a balanced diet. | ||
| I mean, you could get away with it for a few days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if you took that on for several months, you'd probably see some nutritional deficiencies. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think the funniest thing was like, first I brought my brother up there and I've got like, you know, my jacket on, I've got like ammunition, I've got my nice survival kit, bandages for snakes. | ||
| And I'm like pulling out to check, I've got everything, my torches. | ||
| Liam pulls out a, he pulls out a sandwich bag with salad. | ||
| I can't eat without salad. | ||
| We're trying to impress the farm boys, man. | ||
| You bring out a salad. | ||
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I bought my own vegetables because I was like, I can't eat meat without vegetables. | |
| I had my little bag of salad and my cucumber. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| How long did that stuff stay good for? | ||
| Oh, we had a call for like three days or something. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But anyway, it was just one of those things where their diet, my body just adapted to whatever it had to do, you know? | ||
| That's interesting, man. | ||
| I would think that after a while, your body would go, dickhead, you need a fucking salad or two. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I'm only talking three days. | ||
| You know, I'm talking about three days, four days. | ||
| Yeah, you'd be fine. | ||
| Three or four days, you'd be fine. | ||
| I felt good, actually, weirdly. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| But I was eating a lot less than I normally would in the city. | ||
| Like, I'd eat little pieces of meat. | ||
| They'd kill and barbecue and eat it. | ||
| What kind of meat was it again? | ||
| It was rabbit, deer. | ||
| It was rabbit, deer. | ||
| So you're just getting really healthy wild game. | ||
| Man, rabbit is out of control. | ||
| There's so much vitamins and so much nutrition in wild game too because they're eating wild grasses and wild plants that are just filled with natural nutrients. | ||
| Rabbit's actually one of the best things I've ever eaten. | ||
| I was a bit disappointed by deer. | ||
| Deer heart was good, man. | ||
| Well, how are you disappointed with deer? | ||
| It was, look, we didn't, you gotta stand, like, we didn't hang it properly and all that sort of thing. | ||
| But our deers aren't like your guys' deers. | ||
| Our deers are weak-ass deers, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, Australia's animals are a little bit weak, I think. | ||
| They're not really meaty. | ||
| They're not meaty sort of animals. | ||
| Yeah, anyway. | ||
| That's just my opinion. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Some farmer's gonna punch me and... | ||
| Yeah, you don't know shit about deer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's not common to get deer, man. | ||
| We were in Canada and there was deer on the side of the road. | ||
| Dead? | ||
| No, walking. | ||
| Or set for sale. | ||
| Oh, walking. | ||
| There was deer on there. | ||
| Oh yeah, you can get that all over the place. | ||
| Well, certain places like in Pennsylvania, there's certain parts of Pennsylvania where they change their deer hunting season to all year round. | ||
| Really? | ||
| They just let people shoot them because they're fucking everywhere. | ||
| And they have a bow season all year round and they do it in these areas that are suburban areas. | ||
| There was a show on it on one of these hunting shows. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| These guys set up these estates, these beautiful homes that have these giant pieces of property, like 20, 30 acres, and they had fucking so many deer hitting cars, or cars hitting deer, rather. | ||
| Deers eating people's lawns and all kinds of shit, eating their gardens, rather, eating their roses. | ||
| That they brought in these hunters to set up tree stands in these suburban neighborhoods. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| They're our equivalent. | ||
| Awesome for us because we love to find deer and shoot. | ||
| We never find deer. | ||
| It's pretty hard to find. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People think we're nuts. | ||
| That's a funny thing. | ||
| He's the biggest animal lover you've ever met. | ||
| He's got this big dog, Ralphie. | ||
| He loves dogs. | ||
| Works for dog charities and animal charities and then he goes hunting. | ||
| Yeah, well, people have a hard time with the idea of cruelty, and rightfully so. | ||
| I mean, I think people are scared that people are hunters or evil people that want to kill animals. | ||
| But the reality is, if you're wearing leather, you're killing animals. | ||
| You might not do it with your own hand, but you're doing it. | ||
| You're sitting in a chair right now that's covered in murdered animal skins. | ||
| I've had vegans sit in those very chairs that you're sitting in. | ||
| You rest their butt on murdered cows. | ||
| You know, the shoes you wear, the belt you wear... | ||
| And then on top of that, if you buy organic vegetables and you think you're away from killing, they fucking run machines over those vegetables to collect them, and they're chopping up a lot of rabbits, a lot of mice. | ||
| More animals are killed per pound of vegetables than are killed per pound of meat. | ||
| I heard. | ||
| What is it about vegans that we just love pissing off or teasing, man? | ||
| Is there something about them? | ||
| Well, they're self-righteous. | ||
| And there's also this moral high ground that they like to take. | ||
| Not all of them. | ||
| Some of them are super cool. | ||
| I've met a lot of really cool vegans, but some of them are really fucking annoying. | ||
| And they want to tell you that they're better than you because they're vegan. | ||
| And they're proselytizing, too. | ||
| They're always trying to get other people to be vegan. | ||
| And just by the way, the straight vegan diet, not that healthy. | ||
| Omnivore's diet is a better diet. | ||
| And Omnivore's also, you can eat shit like eggs that have no animal cruelty attached to them whatsoever. | ||
| I have organic eggs because I have chickens that are pets. | ||
| I pick my chickens up. | ||
| You eat your own ones. | ||
| Yeah, I have 14 chickens. | ||
| I can pick them up and hold them, and they give me eggs every day. | ||
| That's what he wants to do. | ||
| It's great, and there's no cruelty involved at all. | ||
| I mean, they lay eggs every day. | ||
| There's no potential whatsoever of that egg ever becoming a chicken. | ||
| The only way that egg can become a chicken is if you have a rooster. | ||
| So we only have hens. | ||
| So the hens hang out. | ||
| They have a good time. | ||
| They have a big yard to run around in. | ||
| They eat bugs and worms and everything they find. | ||
| And grass as well. | ||
| And then also we give them chicken food. | ||
| Do you eat the actual chickens? | ||
| No. | ||
| You wouldn't kill one of them? | ||
| I would. | ||
| Yeah, I almost killed one of them. | ||
| One of them pecked my daughter in the face. | ||
| I came real close. | ||
| My wife was like, that little bitch, she did it again. | ||
| And I was like, alright, let's do it. | ||
| I was ready. | ||
| I was just trying to figure out how to do it. | ||
| I was going online and... | ||
| It was almost like the chicken figured out that we were going to fuck it up and it completely backed off of all of its aggressive behavior. | ||
| It's like it totally felt the vibe. | ||
| It was really weird, man. | ||
| It's like I was seconds away. | ||
| I bought an axe. | ||
| I was ready to rock and roll. | ||
| I was completely ready to cook this chicken up. | ||
| I've never eaten a fresh chicken like that. | ||
| Well, I assume that it's a lot like other things that are organic and fresh. | ||
| They just taste better. | ||
| The eggs taste way better. | ||
| When you eat organic, fresh eggs, they just... | ||
| First of all, the yolk is very dark. | ||
| It's a dark orange. | ||
| It's just healthier. | ||
| It's very healthy. | ||
| I ate seven of them this morning. | ||
| You ate seven eggs? | ||
| Yeah, I eat six, seven eggs a day. | ||
| Yeah, I eat them all the time. | ||
| You know, the funny thing is we were forced vegetarians. | ||
| For the first 10 years. | ||
| For the first 10 years of our life. | ||
| That's why we looked like hobbits. | ||
| Your family wanted you to be... | ||
| My dad was big into karate and, you know, like the karate guys, they have this kind of like, they follow different, you know, like they catch on to a certain philosophy. | ||
| And his whole thing made sense. | ||
| It was just about hormones. | ||
| What was the philosophy? | ||
| No, look, he just, you know, he thought, he read all these books and there was no internet back then. | ||
| And, you know, he had this idea that there are too many hormones in the meat, which is right. | ||
| You've been to Brazil. | ||
| Have you ever seen a chicken breast in Brazil? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's about the size of this table, you know, like it's, and you see all these homeless dudes walking around and they look like they're bodybuilders. | ||
| Well, you know what's interesting? | ||
| There's a misconception about chicken breasts, and it really is not that they pump them up with hormones. | ||
| Cattle is what they use hormones on, but chickens, it's just breeding. | ||
| They've just bred larger-breasted chickens until they only genetically select the larger-breasted chickens, and to the point where these chickens, they're so large-breasted that they can't fly. | ||
| Chickens can fly. | ||
| They don't fly for very long, but they can fly for short distances. | ||
| My chickens, they have roosts, and they can jump up to the roosts. | ||
| They flop up to the roosts and then sit there. | ||
| But these chickens aren't going nowhere. | ||
| They're fucking these giant fat tits chickens. | ||
| But it's genetic selection more than hormones. | ||
| Not that chickens haven't been shot up with hormones before. | ||
| With chickens, it's more antibiotics that they have to deal with because they're on top of each other and they're getting sick all the time. | ||
| And they're also feeding them chicken. | ||
| It's like they're feeding chickens chickens. | ||
| They're feeding them chicken shit and chicken heads and chicken assholes. | ||
| If you feed them a healthy diet, the omnivorous diet that a regular chicken eats, you get healthier eggs, you get healthier animals. | ||
| Oh, you do that? | ||
| Yeah, I feed them only grass. | ||
| My chickens eat natural things that they find when they go out and peck, and they forage. | ||
| I have a big yard, and they run around the yard, and they kill bugs and stuff. | ||
| We also feed them table scraps, so they eat beef. | ||
| They've eaten deer before. | ||
| I fed them pork. | ||
| You ate that deer. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They eat protein. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| In Thailand, you don't see a lot of chicken. | ||
| There is chicken in the food, but it's mainly for Westerners to eat it. | ||
| But the Thais all have their own chickens. | ||
| What do they do with them? | ||
| They go fighting chickens. | ||
| It's on TV. And they always do it behind so no one can see. | ||
| You know, like, oh, quick, someone's coming. | ||
| The white people are coming. | ||
| Like, put it in your cage. | ||
| Yeah, but they're not the ones with the hooks on. | ||
| They just like kickboxing. | ||
| Kickboxing chickens. | ||
| Oh, that's interesting. | ||
| And they've got the fish as well. | ||
| Yeah, my camps. | ||
| I have a friend who does that. | ||
| Well, he's not a friend. | ||
| He's a friend of a friend. | ||
| And he has 100 chickens in his backyard. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| He's from Mexico. | ||
| He barely speaks English. | ||
| I don't know why, but that makes sense to me. | ||
| And all of his friends are from Mexico too. | ||
| It's kind of interesting. | ||
| He got in trouble for killing a goat and cooking it in his yard because he butchered the goat in his yard and they were upset at him for doing that. | ||
| And he didn't understand, because he's from Mexico, and he goes, but you eat meat. | ||
| If you eat meat, why do you care how the animal gets killed? | ||
| I can't kill it in my yard? | ||
| And they told him, there's all these regulations, you can't just kill a goat in your yard. | ||
| He's like, okay, what do I have to do? | ||
| I have to bring it somewhere to kill it? | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| Why can't I just kill it here? | ||
| There's a lot of room. | ||
| I'll just kill this goat. | ||
| Don't you think we kind of lost that? | ||
| It's a weird thing. | ||
| Like my wife slash girlfriend wife now. | ||
| I've been married for like two... | ||
| I got married two days before we went overseas. | ||
| So she went on a honeymoon to Italy and I went to Canada. | ||
| So I actually haven't seen her since then, which is really random. | ||
| But her mom can kill a chicken and cook it up like you wouldn't believe, right? | ||
| She's Aussie, but her mom's Vietnamese, right? | ||
| My grandma, and I'm sure your grandparents could kill a chicken, skin it. | ||
| They'd be able to make 40 dishes with it. | ||
| They'd use the fat, the skin. | ||
| My dad was telling me, well, our whole family would die of heart disease. | ||
| The oldest one's like 62. And he was telling me their favorite dish was you'd take all the leftovers, put it on a pan, fry it, skin, bones, everything, right? | ||
| You'd fry it until it liquefies, and then you'd pour it into a bottle, and then dip it in ice, and then you'd take it and you'd just wipe it on your bread. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| It's like Nutella. | ||
| Yeah, well, like a pate or something like that. | ||
| Well, like a fat pate, but the thing he was saying was his grandma and their whole generation, they wouldn't have a problem with just... | ||
| Take it, skin it. | ||
| Use every part of its body. | ||
| That's being lost. | ||
| The reason why people don't like hunting, although they do eat meat. | ||
| I have friends that eat meat and will never hunt. | ||
| They wouldn't do it. | ||
| They couldn't do it. | ||
| I'm like, I understand you don't want to be cruel. | ||
| And I understand that they enjoy that separation. | ||
| But to criticize people who don't enjoy that separation, I think it's kind of crazy. | ||
| There's a weird disconnect. | ||
| But there's a lot of people that eat meat and have eaten meat and don't have a problem with ordering a cheeseburger, but they really look down on people that hunt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think it's the easiest... | ||
| I think... | ||
| It's not the easiest way, obviously, but I think it's the easiest on your... | ||
| The ethical dilemma is the easiest because you're dealing with an animal like that deer right there had no idea a human being was even a thing until it saw us and then it was dead moments later. | ||
| You know, I shot that deer in the middle of the forest in Montana. | ||
| I mean, that fucking deer was living in the wild country of Montana and... | ||
| And it was delicious. | ||
| And I had no problem with it. | ||
| I don't think there's anything wrong with that. | ||
| And the idea that somehow or another it's okay to eat a cow, but it's not okay to do that. | ||
| And then other people will tell you, oh, but I don't eat organic, grass-fed deer. | ||
| Or grass-fed cows. | ||
| Let me tell you something about that. | ||
| I have a friend who keeps organic grass-fed cows, and those motherfuckers are terrified. | ||
| When you go near them, they run. | ||
| They run and they all huddle up together. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because they know that they're going to die. | ||
| They know someone's going to shoot them and eat them. | ||
| This idea that if you eat organic grass-fed cows, you're somehow or another removed from the cruelty. | ||
| Yeah, they aren't kept in a pen. | ||
| They aren't... | ||
| They're jammed into some pig box, like pigs are, and they do run around free, and they do eat grass, but they're fucking shit in their pants any time a person comes near them. | ||
| We did some city boys, did some cow herding. | ||
| Man, not only is that fucking terrifying, if you're in a pen with these cows, I mean, they don't attack humans, but they're big. | ||
| Have you ever been in a pen? | ||
| They're massive, man. | ||
| Cows are big animals. | ||
| This crazy bitch is riding on them. | ||
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| He's riding the males. | ||
| Remember, I was like the first one. | ||
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I jumped on them and messed around on them. | |
| He jumped on a cow too? | ||
| There's a whole bunch. | ||
| Do cows buck like bulls do? | ||
| Nah, these are old ones. | ||
| But they'll run each other into a corner and kill each other. | ||
| They're so silly. | ||
| Well, they're very big. | ||
| Would you eat dog? | ||
| Would I? Yeah, that's a good question. | ||
| I love dogs. | ||
| If I was in another country, and maybe it was for a television show or something like that, and they were serving dogs... | ||
| I would have a real hard time with it still. | ||
| I might do it just to see what it tastes like and just to, you know, if I was over someone's home and they offered it to me and it was part of their culture, I don't think that I would insult them and say that I wouldn't eat it. | ||
| And if I eat pig, I mean pig and dog are supposed to be, like a dog is supposed to be actually as intelligent or more, or excuse me, a pig is supposed to be as intelligent or more than a dog. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it would be a bit hypocritical, but I have a deep connection with dogs. | ||
| I've had dogs my whole life, and I have two dogs now, and I love dogs. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| Yeah, this guy sat me down for an intervention about a week ago. | ||
| Yeah, I've got a massive French Mastiff. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| I think he eats $2,000 a week. | ||
| He eats a lot. | ||
| And he, you know, Turner and Hooch. | ||
| Yeah, I have a Mastiff too. | ||
| Yeah, I have a Regency Mastiff. | ||
| It's a little smaller. | ||
| They're... | ||
| Like 120, 140 pounds? | ||
| Oh, this guy goes up to about 90 kilograms. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| It's 200 about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a big boy. | ||
| It's a big dog. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| But he had a lot of joint problems, right? | ||
| Those poor dogs. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| Yeah, mine's starting to get a little arthritis in his hips. | ||
| Not bad. | ||
| He runs and you can tell it gets a little stiff. | ||
| They're very slobbery. | ||
| But they're the sweetest dogs ever. | ||
| My dog is so great with my kids. | ||
| They go up and grab his face and kiss him. | ||
| He's got no anger in him. | ||
| The Regency Mastiff was raised to have no human aggression. | ||
| They're just sweet dogs. | ||
| No dog aggression either. | ||
| They're great with other dogs too. | ||
| What was my intervention? | ||
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I'm not allowed to put up any dog pictures. | |
| You know what the problem is? | ||
| Put up too many dog pictures? | ||
| Do you know what the problem is, right? | ||
| The boys back at home are like, typical to get your dog even mentioned in this show today. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| They're going to be like, oh, you mentioned Ralph. | ||
| Because you love your dog. | ||
| It is a weird thing, right? | ||
| You love dogs, but you also love hunting. | ||
| I'm obsessed with dogs. | ||
| You can't deny that. | ||
| Well, there's a bond that humans have with dogs and especially that's a thing that people don't understand that dogs and hunting have gone hand in hand forever. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| One of the reasons why we have such a tight bond with dogs in the first place is that dogs were used not just to keep animals away like keep wolves away from camps but to help people hunt. | ||
| He was devastated when we were in Vietnam. | ||
| They served us some starters and afterwards we didn't know what they were and he discovered he'd eaten his man's best friend. | ||
| So that took about a year to... | ||
| It tasted funny. | ||
| It didn't taste right. | ||
| I can't explain it. | ||
| This guy, he retires from fighting. | ||
| So the first thing he does is replace fighting with pictures of dogs. | ||
| It's like, we're running a business. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What, on your Instagram or something? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Like, put some pictures of your tattoos up or something, you know, like, not fucking dog. | ||
| I actually did. | ||
| I actually was like, look, Dylan, listen, you know, like, you know, you love Muay Thai, I get that, but you've got to understand, people want to see a Thai boxer that's got a little bit of, like... | ||
| Bokau about him, you know? | ||
| And then, you know, it's him with his bloody... | ||
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What does that mean? | |
| Bokau, you know? | ||
| Bokau, Paul Pramak. | ||
| Dylan with his tattoo and looking six-pack and stuff. | ||
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Right. | |
| This guy's with his fucking slobbery dog runner. | ||
| You know, like... | ||
| I'm like, okay, you're allowed one picture a week. | ||
| On your Instagram. | ||
| The rest are of Muay Thai. | ||
| He never said that. | ||
| He never said any rules. | ||
| And I said the rest are of Muay Thai. | ||
| I don't know if he's fucking... | ||
| For the business. | ||
| Why don't you just do it on your personal account? | ||
| No, they're kind of the same thing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's all interconnected. | ||
| He's got his own Instagram. | ||
| He's got his own Instagram. | ||
| And it's all dogs. | ||
| It's all the dog does. | ||
| Everyone loves Ralphie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love dogs, too. | ||
| I love animals. | ||
| And that's something that people have a weird problem with. | ||
| But they don't have a weird problem with loving animals and then feeding their animals animals. | ||
| Like, I have friends who fucking are vegans and they have cats. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I'm like, do you under-fucking-stand that cats only eat meat? | ||
| It's not like a dog. | ||
| A dog can eat carrots. | ||
| A dog can eat grains. | ||
| Dogs eat rice. | ||
| I have a friend who cooks for his dog. | ||
| I've seen that happen. | ||
| He gets his dog ground beef and mixes it with potatoes and rice, and it's delicious. | ||
| You do that for your dog? | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| Cool, it's good. | ||
| He doesn't eat probably himself. | ||
| But you can't do that with a cat. | ||
| If you can do it with a cat, it has to be just animal protein. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's the only thing a cat is allowed to eat. | ||
| Yeah you can't feed cats grains. | ||
| Cats are not supposed to eat rice. | ||
| They're not supposed to eat carrots. | ||
| Cats eat fish, and they eat chicken, and they eat beef, and they eat liver, and they eat animal protein. | ||
| They're carnivores. | ||
| They're straight carnivores. | ||
| So for you to be a vegan and have a fucking cat living in your house, you're involved in the killing of animals whether you like it or not. | ||
| I mean, I guess there's probably some vegan cat food, but I can't imagine it. | ||
| Let's Google that right now. | ||
| They'd probably kill the cat. | ||
| It's probably not good. | ||
| Vegan... | ||
| Cat food bad. | ||
| Let's look up that. | ||
| Cat's one of Dill's phobias. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's one of my two phobias, cats. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Vegan cat food. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just would imagine that shit is not good. | ||
| They're basically mini lions. | ||
| Oh, look at this. | ||
| It says, actually, and the vegan cat foods contained adequate amounts. | ||
| Is it okay to raise a cat vegan? | ||
| Hmm. | ||
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| I think it's hilarious, by the way. | ||
| I think that is fucking hilarious. | ||
| Now, artist and activist with more than one feline in the family in Ithaca, New York. | ||
| Moore and her partner, Shariah Golding. | ||
| That means they're lesbians. | ||
| What a surprise! | ||
| Lesbian vegans with cats. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| You never hear about that! | ||
| Relatively small but deeply dedicated group of vegan pet owners who believe their cats and dogs' diets should reflect their own beliefs about the treatment of animals and the environmentally sustainable lifestyles. | ||
| Is it okay to give your diet a vegan? | ||
| Spare me all the faux outrage. | ||
| The outrage of the billions of land animals and trillions of sea animals tortured and killed each year in the U.S. How are they tortured? | ||
| Alone for food to feed people and pets. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| You know, you leave a cat outside, that cat's going to kill a bird. | ||
| That sweet kitty cat that you have is a murderer. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| My cat makes these crazy noises when he looks outside. | ||
| He sees something, like a squirrel. | ||
| His little jaw starts going... | ||
| Man. | ||
| Their jaws start moving up and down like they can't help it. | ||
| They're just thinking about biting. | ||
| Have you ever had fight dreams? | ||
| Like when you wake up kicking? | ||
| You know those dreams? | ||
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Of course. | |
| Well, cats have those when they see a fucking animal that they want to kill. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| They have reflex. | ||
| I hate cats. | ||
| They make noises. | ||
| He just looks out the window. | ||
| Have you ever watched them stalk? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just stalk your leg. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then watch a lion. | ||
| There is very little difference. | ||
| You're like a lion crawling through the grass or a cat crawling through your carpet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they look identical. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely identical. | ||
| They're murderers, bro. | ||
| They are fucking murderers. | ||
| Apparently, what they're saying is, for a lot of these people that are making these diets for these dogs, there's like a big debate on whether or not it's healthy for the dogs. | ||
| You're talking about the vegan? | ||
| Yeah, vegan diets for dogs and cats. | ||
| Whether or not it's a matter of the animal getting all the proper nutrients or just being able to stay alive. | ||
| I don't really understand people's relationships with dogs in that sense. | ||
| I get the whole man having a dog, but people get weird. | ||
| We know a friend who told us they have a patient who's got munch houses. | ||
| You know munch houses? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know munch houses? | ||
| They basically make up things so that they can get their dog operated on. | ||
| It's just like as in problems so that they have an excuse to get an operation on the dog. | ||
| Like it's like their kid. | ||
| Apparently what they're saying is that dogs and cats have a much different nutritional requirement than human beings and that they need much higher protein intake than a human does. | ||
| So especially dogs can eat a bunch of other shit like yams and Potatoes and all these different other things. | ||
| And it's okay as long as they get sufficient amount of protein, but it's almost impossible to get the amount of protein that a dog needs with just plants. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And cats, it's just a fucking joke. | ||
| Cats are, you know, here's what you know. | ||
| Lay out some fucking meat and lay out a bowl of beans. | ||
| See where Fluffy goes. | ||
| Oh, Fluffy, no, you're not a murderer, Fluffy! | ||
| The dog's just choking down these pieces of meat. | ||
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You don't need to have the yams, Fluffy! | |
| Fucking ridiculous. | ||
| Vegan cat food, bitch. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| That thing's a murderer, man. | ||
| You're going to keep it from being a murderer? | ||
| It's its nature. | ||
| I mean, you know, it's what it does. | ||
| That's what a cat does. | ||
| It's kind of calming. | ||
| Like, everybody who's been pushing all the tofu and all the soy stuff over the last couple of years, they're starting to get breast cancer, man. | ||
| You know, like, it's just, you're discovering it's bad for you. | ||
| I used to eat that stuff instead of milk, and I'd always feel sick, but I was like, it's got to be healthy for you. | ||
| Everyone keeps telling me that. | ||
| That's why you got man boobs. | ||
| That's why I have boobs. | ||
| Boobs. | ||
| Yeah, even vegancats.com is telling people to feed their cats meat. | ||
| That's when shit gets real. | ||
| When vegancats.com tells people to feed their cats meat. | ||
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After much soul-searching, we've decided that we need to keep our I would feed them mean. | |
| We only feed them asshole cows. | ||
| Cows that stomp on rats or something. | ||
| If a cat walks into a room, I'm gone. | ||
| Yeah, he hates cats. | ||
| I hate cats. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Terrified of them, actually. | ||
| He hates cats and hookers. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| And hookers. | ||
| And strippers. | ||
| Strippers, strippers, strippers. | ||
| You hate strippers? | ||
| Man, in Thailand, if one touches him, he freaks out. | ||
| Is that because of your experiences in Thailand? | ||
| Or is it just like a thing in your DNA, perhaps, from past lives? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Were you ever stomped to death by a hooker or a stripper? | ||
| Dude, actually, talk about that. | ||
| If you ever go to Thailand... | ||
| Alright. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| If you ever go to Thailand, man, the most vicious things you see, and you see it in the hospitals, the chicks with the guy as they bottle... | ||
| Like, if you're going to fight with a guy, the chicks, the hooker chicks will smash a bottle on you. | ||
| like they're like known for it and especially like Pattaya yeah like that area the chicks the first thing if a guy gets an argument with another guy they'll stand up for their man bottle the dude over his shoulder oh god I love bottling I don't know what it is. | ||
| It's effective. | ||
| Especially if you're a woman and you don't have a lot of physical strength, you hit a guy with a bottle and open him up like a fucking tomato. | ||
| Bottles are scary shit. | ||
| When I lived in Boston, I saw an argument over... | ||
| I don't know what the argument was, because I was a fair bit away, like, you know, several... | ||
| These guys were arguing, and the guy's first move was to hit this guy in the face with a Heineken bottle. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| It was horrible. | ||
| It just cut him wide open. | ||
| He's bleeding all over the place, and they tackled the guy who did it, and the bouncers beat the shit out of him. | ||
| But I remember thinking, like, man, you've got to be real fucking careful who you're fighting with, who you're arguing with. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| This guy just smashed this guy in the face. | ||
| Cut them open. | ||
| It's bleeding everywhere. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Yeah, but you know one thing I was going to say is it always shocks me when you see dudes in another country like Vietnam, Thailand, Brazil starting fights with the locals. | ||
| What are you fucking thinking? | ||
| People are stupid as fuck, man. | ||
| I think it's probably just... | ||
| DNA, like, wanting to get eradicated. | ||
| Like, you have some shitty genes, and your genes want you to just be taken out of the mix, you know? | ||
| It's like a suicide pill. | ||
| Fuck, you're over there! | ||
| Fuck Thailand! | ||
| They're like, oh, really? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You have no idea. | ||
| And you're drunk. | ||
| Every night, something. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| They start a fight with a taxi driver, and the whole of Thailand jumps in. | ||
| Do you live in Thailand now or do you go back and forth? | ||
| No, I've been going back and forth since I was 18, 31, so a long time. | ||
| You tried to live there. | ||
| I tried to live there, but I love Thai people. | ||
| I love the country. | ||
| I love everything about it. | ||
| It's very ancient. | ||
| There's no rush. | ||
| It's beautiful. | ||
| The Thai people are amazing. | ||
| Most of my friends there are Thai. | ||
| But... | ||
| You know, after a while, I just got a little bit bored. | ||
| I had my brother back in Sydney as well. | ||
| He was running the gym. | ||
| He got to a stage where... | ||
| He was doing the rescue, and I think he got really attached to not just... | ||
| And, man, you know, the thing I was saying, like, we were talking about this before, me and him, like, you know, like, when you finish pro fighting, what do you do? | ||
| And I think, like, it was kind of like, you're not, you know, you're doing all this fighting, and you're being admired, and you're brave, and everybody's like, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan. | ||
| And afterwards, you stop, and you're just like... | ||
| What now? | ||
| So he's going over to Thailand and he's rescuing people and suddenly you're feeling important again, right? | ||
| But he got really attached and actually at one stage I wanted to go live there. | ||
| We had a few arguments about it, and eventually I just said, I think you should go, because I didn't want the gym and me to be holding him back. | ||
| And he went there, and two months later, he's like, I'm ready to come home. | ||
| Did you ever think about competing in jiu-jitsu to maybe just spark your competitive desires and avoid head trauma? | ||
| Well, look, I did. | ||
| I competed a fair bit in jiu-jitsu, and I loved it, you know? | ||
| But, you know, I don't know, like when I hit, you know, when I was there, like for those two, three months last year, like Liam said, I got really addicted to the ambulance. | ||
| It was an adrenaline rush. | ||
| Why do cops say that? | ||
| Well, you know, you hear the radio go off. | ||
| I listen to the code. | ||
| I'm thinking, okay, it's a car accident. | ||
| There could be, we could be cutting people out of cars. | ||
| We could be... | ||
| Saving people. | ||
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| You know, one accident I went to, I was trying to actually put back three bodies back together over like, I don't know, a quarter mile, 100 meters, it's less than a quarter mile, 100 meters trying to put everyone back together. | ||
| And it was a crazy adrenaline rush. | ||
| Put them back together, meaning save their lives. | ||
| Trying to figure out whose arm and leg was whose. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| So two bikes collided. | ||
| So dead people. | ||
| Yeah, lots and lots of bodies. | ||
| There's an adrenaline rush in trying to figure out dead puzzles? | ||
| The adrenaline rush wasn't that. | ||
| I think I became a little bit desensitized to everything. | ||
| Nothing bothered me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I've seen everything. | ||
| But it was more when the alarm went off in my little rescue bed. | ||
| It was just a room half the size of this. | ||
| And you hear the code and all you hear is it's a car. | ||
| There's an accident. | ||
| But you don't know how many people. | ||
| You don't know anything. | ||
| So you get there and it could be like five cars. | ||
| One time we got there, I was driving and they hated me driving. | ||
| Like I was telling my brother in the car. | ||
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Why? | |
| It was like a V8 turbocharged ambulances thing. | ||
| And they said, I'm a mad driver. | ||
| I drove Lamborghini yesterday up at Vegas. | ||
| That was sick. | ||
| Oh, you went to one of those race car track places where you can rent one? | ||
| Oh, yeah, man. | ||
| Don't trust me, man. | ||
| So, you know, I'd be driving, and then after a while, they started racing me to the driver's seat, because I'd just lay next to the ambulance, and used to race me there. | ||
| And I was like, man, why don't they, you know, I said, why do you guys not like me driving anymore? | ||
| He said, Dylan, when you drive, man, we're every religion. | ||
| And it sat with me and I'm thinking, what the hell are they talking about? | ||
| And they go, man, we're Christian. | ||
| We pray to Allah. | ||
| We pray to Jesus, Jewish. | ||
| I go, man, you're such a crazy driver that we pretty much pray to every God just in case. | ||
| Well, think about what the fuck you did. | ||
| You went from... | ||
| Motorcycle racing, too many concussions, I'll try kickboxing. | ||
| You go to fucking Thai boxing, you become a world champion in Thai boxing. | ||
| Hmm, not enough thrill. | ||
| I need to ride fucking bulls. | ||
| Oh, along the line, I can go rescue people. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| Hey, what an adrenaline rush. | ||
| I'm putting together bodies. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You're a maniac, dude. | ||
| One thing I thought was interesting about it, though, is he became quite detached for a while. | ||
| You're eating candy the whole time you're here, too. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| You got a candy thing? | ||
| No, just soothing my throat. | ||
| Oh, your throat, okay. | ||
| Yeah, both of us got bloody Vegas. | ||
| You can't escape the smoke. | ||
| In Australia, you can't smoke indoors. | ||
| Most of the time, you can't smoke indoors in America. | ||
| Most places. | ||
| Texas, a few places, I think, in Texas allow it. | ||
| But Vegas is one of the few places left where you can smoke indoors. | ||
| But they have so many... | ||
| I don't usually have a problem with it because they have so many, like, filters and air cleaning systems. | ||
| Where'd you guys go? | ||
| Ariel. | ||
| You know, Joe, in Australia now... | ||
| I think you may look it up, but just in case. | ||
| Yeah, this is bro knowledge. | ||
| Bro knowledge goes deep on this show. | ||
| We've been promoting bro science for four years. | ||
| But I'm pretty sure that they've, or they've passed in the law, that anyone born after the year 2000 can never buy cigarettes. | ||
| It's illegal. | ||
| So it's our first generation of non-smokers. | ||
| I like that and I don't like that at the same time because I don't like anybody telling me what I can and can't do. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| But I like it because kids are so goddamn easily tricked. | ||
| And those chemicals that they put in cigarettes that make them more addictive. | ||
| Did you ever see that movie Inside Job? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Russell Crowe? | ||
| He's your boy, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Russell Crowe? | ||
| He's from New York. | ||
| He's from New York. | ||
| Australia? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a great fucking movie, man. | ||
| It's a true story based on a real chemist who was developing specific compounds designed to keep people addicted. | ||
| And he details the mechanism involved in these addiction processes. | ||
| And it's like, wow, how the fuck did the government let this shit get in there? | ||
| I had a lot of trouble quitting smoking. | ||
| I was smoking while I was fighting. | ||
| And I got to a point where I was like, I'd get sick a lot because you're smoking and fighting. | ||
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I was only 20. You were smoking and fighting. | |
| Isn't Sakuraba famous for that? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the thing about smoking, man, I wish I never started, but I started when I was about 13 and I thought it was cool. | ||
| I was an idiot. | ||
| And by the time I was 21 and I was still smoking, I couldn't quit. | ||
| I'm not dipping. | ||
| Oh, you got dip? | ||
| He knows I hate it. | ||
| Man, I couldn't quit. | ||
| And I got to the stage where I was like, I have to either quit martial arts or quit smoking, and I couldn't quit smoking because I was getting sick a lot from my lungs and my sinuses. | ||
| So I'd go train and then have a cigarette. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Man, it was so addictive, man. | ||
| It was really a scary thing. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| What kind did you smoke? | ||
| Just normal cigarettes. | ||
| Did you ever try those American spirits? | ||
| They have some cigarettes that are all natural. | ||
| They don't have any additives. | ||
| We smoke. | ||
| Look, I mean, we started as teenagers, as stupid idiots, and, you know, everyone just... | ||
| That's what you did socially when you'd meet up and smoke, but I was actually one of the last ones smoking, and I felt really down on myself, really, like, weak about the fact I couldn't quit. | ||
| You know, I quit when I was 22, which was, like, 11 years ago, but I haven't... | ||
| You know, like, I actually got to a stage where I was that addicted to it that I couldn't, I almost quit, like, training. | ||
| Because I couldn't, my health couldn't put up with physical exercise. | ||
| I'm not surprised, man. | ||
| That stuff will fuck you up. | ||
| I absolutely agree. | ||
| I'm not surprised. | ||
| Everyone that I know that's, that had a cigarette addiction and then quit still longs for those goddamn things. | ||
| Yeah, I don't. | ||
| Once I quit, I quit, you know? | ||
| Yeah, my friend Jeff, to this day, he's quit for more than a decade. | ||
| He's like, to this day, every now and then, I'll see someone smoking, and it just looks so good. | ||
| I just want one. | ||
| I just want one. | ||
| I just want to punch them in the face. | ||
| When I was in the casino, and I was sitting there, and there's kids right next to a guy blowing smoke on them, and I'm thinking, why don't you just hit them with your car? | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| I have a real problem with that. | ||
| People that just don't give a fuck about that. | ||
| That's a weird thing about the cigarettes, too, is that it affects the people around you, and they don't give a fuck. | ||
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| But it's also the thing that they throw them on the ground. | ||
| Cigarette people are so likely to litter. | ||
| It's the weirdest thing. | ||
| They don't have any problem with it. | ||
| It's like almost, on average, more people that smoke cigarettes litter with those cigarettes than anything. | ||
| I had a guy over my fucking house that was working on my house, and he's sitting out in my backyard, and he smokes, and then he throws a cigarette on the ground. | ||
| I go, what the fuck are you doing? | ||
| Are you really littering in my fucking backyard while you're working for me, dickhead? | ||
| Tradies, huh? | ||
| Just a douchebag, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I couldn't believe it. | ||
| He did it right in front of me. | ||
| I'm like, what the fuck are you doing, man? | ||
| I live here. | ||
| You're just going to throw shit on the ground and step on it? | ||
| Oh, you stepped on it. | ||
| It's good now. | ||
| Yeah, it's gone. | ||
| Someone tried to tell me, oh, they're biodegradable. | ||
| Yeah, in a fucking hundred years. | ||
| In a hundred years, it'll go back into the earth, you fucking nitwit. | ||
| And the daughter's at the beach. | ||
| She's like, hey daddy, look at this. | ||
| Look what I found. | ||
| It's either a condom or a cigarette. | ||
| Biodegradable, you fucking dildos. | ||
| It just ruins a good beach as well. | ||
| Biodegradable. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| It's a foam fucking plastic filter at the end of a shitty piece of paper. | ||
| Yeah, eventually the earth will absorb it. | ||
| So you know what else is biodegradable? | ||
| Your fucking car. | ||
| Leave your car for a thousand years. | ||
| It won't exist. | ||
| Have you ever picked up... | ||
| I hate how people put them in bottles and picked up a beer bottle you thought was yours and you're just like... | ||
| Oh, that's the nasty shit of all time. | ||
| Beer and cigarette ashes. | ||
| How about they throw them out the window too? | ||
| That's half the fires in California from shitheads throwing... | ||
| They're not flicking it at you. | ||
| They don't think they're doing anything wrong. | ||
| I feel like they're doing something so bad to their own body that they don't give a fuck. | ||
| They don't give a fuck about poisoning their own bodies. | ||
| They don't give a fuck about poisoning the earth itself. | ||
| The worst thing is seeing the young girls smoking. | ||
| We're going to wrap this thing up anyway. | ||
| We're at 6 o'clock already. | ||
| It's been a lot of fun, dude. | ||
| We did a three-hour podcast. | ||
| Unfortunately, you've got two sick Reznikovs today. | ||
| No worries. | ||
| It was great. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| No, it was fun. | ||
| I'm glad we did this. | ||
| Yeah, cool. | ||
| So, your gym. | ||
| Give people the... | ||
| How do they get a hold of you? | ||
| What's the website? | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| So, our gym's www... | ||
| You don't have to say www anymore. | ||
| It's 2014. So true. | ||
| What about HGTP? I don't think you need even that anymore. | ||
| I always got the slashes backwards. | ||
| We're at VT1 Academy. | ||
| VT1MMA.com.au. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| VT1MMA.com. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| There's the website. | ||
| Just one quick thing. | ||
| Do you know that a lot of French girls in Canada are called Lawrence? | ||
| Yeah, that's really weird. | ||
| Last name or first? | ||
| Only because I was on Tinder there that we found out. | ||
| Wait a minute, their first name or their last name? | ||
| Now if you cycle back, that big Chinese guy on the left there, when I say Lawrence, I think of a big Chinese guy with a guillotine that kills you, right? | ||
| Lawrence. | ||
| But on Tinder, all the girls were Lawrence. | ||
| That's so weird. | ||
| Really weird. | ||
| Tinder, in the house. | ||
| Sorry, on a random note. | ||
| Get your freak on. | ||
| So that's us down there. | ||
| Come visit us. | ||
| We're really friendly, everything. | ||
| And our other site is peak-at-u.com. | ||
| Huh? | ||
| Our other site is peak... | ||
| Peek? | ||
| P-E-E-K. P-E-E-E-K. Yep. | ||
| Dash at, A-T, dash U dot com. | ||
| So Y-O-U. What is that? | ||
| That's the project, the Growing Down site that we're working on. | ||
| We're going to put all the stuff at the time and stuff on. | ||
| We've got the psychologist who's doing the podcast on and stuff. | ||
| So that's our kind of site where we're just going to host everything. | ||
| Because that's our business site, obviously. | ||
| Okay, so Jamie, did you find that? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What is it again? | ||
| So it's peek... | ||
| P-E-E-K... P-E-E-K... Dash... | ||
| Dash... | ||
| Dash... | ||
| You... | ||
| At... | ||
| A-T... Dash... | ||
| Y-O-U dot com. | ||
| That's... | ||
| That's... | ||
| Oh, it's not up there. | ||
| I'm just pointing at Joe. | ||
| I'm just... | ||
| This is awkward. | ||
|
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Hey, man! | |
| That's the Growing Down site. | ||
| And that's going to have all the talents. | ||
| That's just going to have all our projects. | ||
| Where's Growing Down? | ||
| Growing Down is a project we launched because we were sick of basically... | ||
| Growing up? | ||
| Sick of growing up? | ||
| Sick of being at the dinner table and everyone comes up to you and says, so what are you doing with yourself lately? | ||
| Are you working hard? | ||
| That's our South African accent. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, so my friend's a psychologist and he just started getting pissed off and so he coined this whole growing down thing which is about stop listening to other people and start fucking listening to yourself basically. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| That's a great idea because by the way, not only will other people give you shitty advice, they will give you shitty advice because they got shitty advice and they want you to continue the tradition of suffering. | ||
| Right. | ||
| People love watching people fail and struggle because they've failed and struggled. | ||
| It's very rare that someone will tell you, listen to me, I failed. | ||
| My life is a fucking disaster. | ||
| Don't do what I did. | ||
| They don't say, why don't you fucking grow up? | ||
| I've never heard anyone say that. | ||
| I've had many people tell me to grow up. | ||
| I've had many people that were fucking miserable telling me that I needed to grow up. | ||
| I'm like, I don't get it. | ||
| I'm happy. | ||
| You're not. | ||
| And I need to grow up. | ||
| This is baffling. | ||
| Do you know you're going to die? | ||
| We're both going to die. | ||
| Isn't the whole point to enjoy this as much as possible? | ||
| I feel like I'm enjoying it. | ||
| And I feel like you're not. | ||
| So I'm super confused as to why you're giving me advice. | ||
| One quick thing just before we wrap up, I just wanted to share, Chris. | ||
| It just was something interesting that came up when we were backstage at the UFC, right? | ||
| And this is about growing down. | ||
| And we're back there. | ||
| Our fighters prepared pretty well for the fight, right? | ||
| And you go there and everybody's telling you what to do. | ||
| Don't eat bread. | ||
| Don't eat this. | ||
| Switch a potato, a sweet potato. | ||
| And everyone means well, right? | ||
| Cut weight this way. | ||
| Cut weight that way. | ||
| Prepare this way. | ||
| Guys were holding pads hard as they could the night before the fight. | ||
| Now, we taper a week before. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we're there and our fighter starts getting nervous and he starts copying a little bit because these are professionals, right? | ||
| We're professionals too, but we study. | ||
| We know what we're doing. | ||
| But he starts switching to sweet potato. | ||
| He cuts out bread. | ||
| He starts training a little bit closer to the fight than he should be. | ||
| And the thing was, everybody was telling everybody what to do and he ended up dropping five pounds by mistake. | ||
| Because he changed everything that week. | ||
| And I was like, I was thinking about for comedy, for fighting and all that stuff, is like, it's really fucking hard to just trust that. | ||
| Look, I've eaten potatoes and red meat my whole life. | ||
| Let's just keep doing it till the fight, you know? | ||
| And so that's what the whole growing down thing was about. | ||
| But it seems like if those guys are given that advice on how to lose weight, that seems like good advice. | ||
| It seems like the weight that he lost. | ||
| That's what he meant. | ||
| Well, it's probably because he probably should be lighter in the first place. | ||
| Like, it's a healthier diet. | ||
| The advice is right, but the timing is wrong. | ||
| Timing is wrong. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| So, like, you're about to go up on stage and some guy comes up and he goes, man, before I go on stage, I usually go do a quick shot of, like, tequila up my nose. | ||
| You know, that works for me. | ||
| And then you go and do it, you go on stage and everyone thinks you're... | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Nose is sniffling, you're bleeding. | ||
| So it's just, you know, for all the Aussies coming up, it's just having confidence. | ||
| What you're doing is good. | ||
| Write notes and do it after the fight. | ||
| That was just something we learned backstage. | ||
| It's definitely a good point about tapering off, man. | ||
| That's one thing that people make a huge mistake about. | ||
| They train too hard. | ||
| They think it's good to train hard the day before the fight, but training breaks the body down. | ||
| The whole purpose of training is to break the body down. | ||
| If you don't understand that, then you need to talk to someone who's an exercise physiologist and understand what is the purpose of working out. | ||
| Working out taxes the body so the body heals. | ||
| Healing is what makes you stronger. | ||
| The breaking down of the body forces your body to react to the fact that you're making it do all this work. | ||
| So it goes, okay, we're lifting weights now. | ||
| We got to get stronger because this motherfucker wants us carrying heavy things all the time. | ||
| Okay, this guy wants us running up hills. | ||
| Boy, we better increase our VO2 max because we want to stay alive. | ||
| Obviously the body has different requirements now. | ||
| We need more oxygen. | ||
| But to break it down the week of is really not beneficial. | ||
| Some guys do it though and they get away with it. | ||
| So our guy looks at them and he goes, fuck, this is a pro, I better do it. | ||
| Well, there's a lot of schools of thought. | ||
| I mean, it's just like hard training. | ||
| There's a lot of schools of thought when it comes to hard sparring. | ||
| And then there's even pros, guys like Martin Kampman who say you should spar once a week at most. | ||
| Yeah, he's good. | ||
| Yeah, he's very good, very smart and very technical. | ||
| But, you know, a lot of guys didn't do it that way and they have suffered because of it. | ||
| There's a lot of damage that gets done that's unnecessary, whether it's in training, whether it's, you know, in preparation, strength and conditioning, whatever it is. | ||
| There's a lot of unnecessary damage. | ||
| What we were talking about before about MMA training, I think it's still in a learning period. | ||
| I think we still haven't got it down the way, like, say, football has it down. | ||
| They know exactly how to train to develop, like, top-flight football players. | ||
| Basketball, same thing. | ||
| You go to a basketball camp, you're dealing with top-flight strength and conditioning coach. | ||
| They really know how to deal with... | ||
| I mean, you're dealing with multi-multimillion-dollar athletes, and they have that investment, and they want to keep it healthy, and... | ||
| Really, no one should apply that more than MMA fighters, because who the fuck gets hurt more than MMA fighters? | ||
| Muay Thai probably is the worst taught sport in the world, especially in Thailand, because there's no history of teaching. | ||
| It's all fighters teaching fighters. | ||
| Well, they just copy by osmosis. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Pretty much. | ||
| So it's like, that's one of the most backward sports in the world, never mind MMA. And there's a lot of smoking and drinking as well. | ||
| Man, we had... | ||
| It's getting better now. | ||
| Do you remember it was getting better? | ||
| Like, they've got a lot of, you know, fight against alcohol, fight against drugs. | ||
| So, there's a lot of promotion now. | ||
| You've got a lot of guys like Yotsin Clay Fairtex and Malapet, oh, he's actually American, you know, and Borkow. | ||
| These guys are heroes. | ||
| So, for people, there's a lot more push towards, you know, be healthy, get fit. | ||
| You can make good money now. | ||
| You can go to Japan. | ||
| You can fight in America. | ||
| You can do dives. | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| Yeah, I have friends that trained and fought in Thailand, and they were telling me about everybody smoking cigarettes, and my friend Chris started smoking when he was in Thailand because he was fighting. | ||
| He was fighting in Thailand, everybody was training and smoking, and he started smoking too, just like to be one of the gang. | ||
| Now he smokes cigarettes. | ||
| You know Champua Kiatsungri? | ||
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I've heard the name. | |
| He's the one who, like, Tong Po sort of based on him. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Yeah, he broke Rick Rufus' leg. | ||
| You've seen the fight, I'm sure. | ||
| You know the one where he boots him and he breaks his leg? | ||
| I didn't see that fight. | ||
| It's on YouTube. | ||
| It's worth watching. | ||
| But we saw him and he's a legend. | ||
| He fought Andy Hoog. | ||
| He fought all these guys, right? | ||
| We go to Thailand in Pattaya and he's just sitting there smoking. | ||
| So if I buy him a box of cigarettes, he'll let me film him kicking the bag. | ||
| So I'll just bring a box of cigarettes and he'll kick the bag for me. | ||
| Show me the technique. | ||
| They're just smoking and alcohol over there is out of control. | ||
| Wow. | ||
|
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It is. | |
| Last question before we go. | ||
| I'm a big fan of kickboxing, obviously, and kickboxing is starting to make its way into the United States in a big way with glory. | ||
| Glory, yes. | ||
| My only problem with it is I don't like tournaments. | ||
| I don't like the idea of making someone fight twice in a night, and I definitely don't like them doing it with high-level kickboxing. | ||
| Nathan Corbett fought Gokhan Saki. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Gokan Saki knocked him out in the first round, broke his eardrum, and stopped the fight. | ||
| And then he had to go into the final round, Gokan Saki did, against Tyrone Spong, where Tyrone Spong fought three hard rounds, this young Brazilian kid, and then fought in the round and broke his leg. | ||
| I don't think the shin break came from the fact that he had to fight three rounds and Gokan had to fight one, but the idea that one guy could fight one round... | ||
| And then the other guy could go three rounds and go to war, and then they meet in the finals. | ||
| I think that's fucking crazy. | ||
| And I think in this day and age, in 2014, with what we know about concussed fighters, head injuries, and then taking a break and cooling down in between that fight and having an hour in between the first fight and the second, I think it's fucking crazy. | ||
| But also the removal of clinch makes it fucking dangerous. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| And elbows. | ||
| No elbows, no clinch. | ||
| Colbert would have won that fight, I think, with elbows. | ||
| Well, he's a real Muay Thai specialist. | ||
| He is an elbow guy, and they took away one of his best weapons. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| The clinch and the elbows, two of his best weapons. | ||
| The thing about glory, though, for us, is that it's getting us on a bigger scale for Muay Thai, which is good. | ||
| In that way, it's good. | ||
| I understand the tournament, like your perspective on the tournaments. | ||
| I kind of agree in a way, but to get striking with... | ||
| Competing against UFC is so hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Money-wise. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| Well, I think that, first of all, they're on Spike, which is a huge company. | ||
| Spike is Viacom. | ||
| They're owned by huge, huge, huge billion-dollar backing behind them. | ||
| There's a shitload of money involved in Spike and Viacom, but... | ||
| I think that the tournament format is dangerous. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I think it's antiquated. | ||
| It's dangerous. | ||
| I loved it back when it was on K1. It's amazing to watch. | ||
| But I think for the athletes, when you're dealing with world-class athletes, like a Tyrone Spong, like a Gokhan Saki, I just think it's unfair, and I think it's the wrong way. | ||
| I almost feel like it's disrespectful to the sport itself. | ||
| And the fighters. | ||
| To force world-class fighters to fight more than once in a night, I think is outrageous. | ||
| But the thing I was going to say just quickly about that is one of the bigger problems I think with Glory is it's also going to reduce the... | ||
| Like Muay Thai in America is basically kickboxing with knees and elbows, right? | ||
| The clinch in Thailand is like 30-40% of Thai boxing. | ||
| Not in America, not in Holland, right? | ||
| So you're seeing all these guys coming into MMA. Not only is it going to increase head damage because there's no clinching, but also the skill sets that come from the clinch, they don't exist in MMA yet. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Well, you see it a little bit with Anderson Silva. | ||
| You see with a few Muay Thai guys, they know how to clinch. | ||
| This sounds really stupid because you've got a bad neck, but I was saying like, if you get to clinch with like a Thai, I'm trying to say it modestly, like real clinch, like Thai clinch, it's almost like doing flowing Greco. | ||
| There's body locks, back takes, snap downs. | ||
| Well, do you like Lion Fight? | ||
| Do you ever watch Lion Fight? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Lion Fight's an organization in Vegas, and they're putting in Malapet fights for them. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| They have a lot of really high-level people that are coming over from Europe and fighting for them. | ||
| They've got really good fights they're putting on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That was Cyborg, Christina Cyborg. | ||
| She lost to this girl from... | ||
| She's pretty hot on her. | ||
| Fucking hell. | ||
| She's had two fucking Muay Thai fights. | ||
| They're hard on her because she took male hormones. | ||
| That's the bottom line. | ||
| She's such a nice lady. | ||
| The reality. | ||
| I'm sure she's a nice lady, but the reality is she took male hormones. | ||
| But you're saying they include clinch? | ||
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Yes. | |
| It's clinches and elbows. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, they have... | ||
| Kevin Ross fights with them. | ||
| Yeah, he's cool. | ||
| And, you know, elbows, clinch, everything. | ||
| Take downs. | ||
| They trip each other. | ||
| They drop each other. | ||
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It's beautiful. | |
| Yes, it is beautiful. | ||
| And it's the comprehensive full style of Muay Thai. | ||
| And it's safer... | ||
| It's better. | ||
| It's safer. | ||
| And it's also more lethal. | ||
| It's more effective. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Elbows, kicks, knees, everything. | ||
| Watch the prelim card with our guy who fought. | ||
| Look, he's got a long way to go. | ||
| He's only, you know, his first fight, right? | ||
| But he used Muay Thai Muay Thai in the clinch. | ||
| And like people were saying, what did he do there? | ||
| And I was like, that's like first day stuff in Thailand. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| So I think Americans are robbing themselves a bit by doing glory, not... | ||
| Muay Thai Thai, you know what I mean? | ||
| I couldn't agree more. | ||
| I couldn't agree more and I think that we're on the same page as far as the respect for the athletes making them fight more than once a night against world-class guys on an uneven playing field like you could have fought like you could fight a world-class guy and get rocked a bunch of times in three rounds and be really fucked up in that dressing room when you're preparing for the title and the other guy lands a head kick 15 seconds into the fight and you're both fighting in the finals against each other. | ||
| I think that's crazy. | ||
| I absolutely agree. | ||
| And they're gonna have a big tournament in LA and I'm gonna be there We're going to watch it every time. | ||
| I'm going to watch it every time too. | ||
| I'm a big supporter of it. | ||
| I just think that they should reconsider. | ||
| And I wish they would go Muay Thai style. | ||
| Just fucking bring in the elbows. | ||
| Bring in the clinch. | ||
| Watch some of those lion fights. | ||
| They're doing it. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| They have them on AXS TV. Gentlemen, it's been a pleasure. | ||
| A successful, fun podcast. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
|
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Thank you. | |
| All right, follow them on Twitter. | ||
| It's VT1 underscore MMA underscore Sydney. | ||
| And the website, one more time. | ||
| Oh, VT1MMA.com.au. | ||
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