David Seaman joins Joe Rogan to dissect Bitcoin’s Mt. Gox collapse ($300M–$400M lost due to PHP coding and transaction malleability), debunking CIA conspiracy theories while praising Bitcoin’s resilience. They critique nuclear risks (Fukushima, Chernobyl) versus coal’s short-term harm, mock Peter Schiff’s "hush money" fracking defense, and expose the DEA’s aggressive raids on cannabis businesses like Pot University. Seaman contrasts Middle Eastern veiling with Western openness, while Rogan defends free speech and innovation—arguing suppression fuels crime and stifles progress. The episode ends with a call for systemic accountability, balancing order with liberty, as Rogan and Seaman agree America needs refinement but remains fundamentally strong. [Automatically generated summary]
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And yeah, Mt.
Gox was run by this guy who is a allegedly kind of a piece of shit.
I got to say, like, allegedly, as you guys do, but as a respectable journalist, I've heard sources say he's a piece of shit.
And so there is an error in the way that his site interacts with the overall Bitcoin network in the same way that if you are using email and you happen to download a shitty email program, like a knockoff version of Outlook, and it fucks up the way you send your emails, doesn't mean there's a problem with email.
There's a problem with what you're using and the way you've implemented it.
And email has been used enough by now that we know that it works.
And it was kind of a similar issue here where there was an incompetent implementation and some hackers were able to steal over time somewhere between 300 million to 400 million dollars worth of Bitcoin.
So it's pretty brutal and Bitcoin's taking a bashing in the press, which is well deserved.
But I personally bought more last night because I've just been reading about it so much that I actually kind of believe it and I'm drinking the Kool-Aid.
And in that case, when some shit like that happens, it's not a tragedy.
It's actually kind of an opportunity because I'm like, well, now I can actually buy some more of this instead of only having a little bit of the future currency of the New World Order.
I'll have a real fraction of it.
And I'm already getting shit from people who are like, you're promoting a product that is New World Order designed.
And I'm like, do you have any evidence of that?
Like, have you actually read even a tenth as much of the people who are reporting on this shit?
Like, everything is out there about Bitcoin, and yet they're already moving towards, like, it was created by NWO.
I think that's sort of what we were talking about before the podcast started, that there's a bunch of people that love for something to be a conspiracy.
So they look for it in everything and anything.
I've been involved in things where I know there was no conspiracy.
I know I was there, and yet I've had people tell me that it was like UFC fights, like that things are fixed, that someone wasn't really injured, and that they're just, it's a big scam, and all it is is to set up another fight.
They had this all along.
It's a shuffle.
It's like people love to think, well, it's because there are some conspiracies.
So they go looking for them because they don't want to be a fool.
Nobody wants to be fooled by them.
And that is the number one problem of the fact that conspiracies have actually existed.
They've muddied the water so badly.
It's sort of like a disinformation tactic.
It's like one of the things they always talk about, like if you read anything about intelligence and you read not intelligence like human intelligence, but like intelligence reporting for the government, one of the things they do when they're trying to control information is they discredit it by attaching it to ridiculous shit.
Yeah, it's like if you believe in something absolutely ridiculous along with some really interesting shit, they can automatically point to that ridiculous thing and say, let's say same guy believes that people are reading your mind from a base on the moon.
Well, that's like that actress, Shirley McLean, has a book.
Has a book that I was skimming through that's all about how in the 1950s, the U.S. government had a secret meeting with seven different species of alien and there was this council.
And even though she's a good actress, you're reading this shit and you're like, I can't believe anything you're saying now because this is a little out there.
She's a lady that, you know, like, there's a thing that happens to humans, and it's the same thing.
It happens to men, and it happens for women.
When they stop being desirable physically, they often look to fantastical and unimaginable things like UFOs or fucking spiritual awakenings and psychic.
They look for something that drags them out of the mundane existence of their biology.
Because if a UFO was real, if aliens were real, if Bigfoot was real, if you could really read people's minds, it wouldn't matter if no one wanted to fuck you anymore.
I mean, this is just one theory, but there's a spiritual thing that happens to a lot of older men and older women where they start looking for, like, you know, paranormal things.
They start looking for...
There's a little of that, Definitely, but in the search for things, the search for things unseen, like the search for Bigfoot, or search for aliens, I really do believe that a lot of what's going on is if aliens were real, it wouldn't matter if no one wanted to fuck them and they're sleeping on their friend's couch and they're 50.
There was some crazy article, I think, in Scientific American, that if you were to add up all the people who've ever lived on Earth, it's been like 100 billion people.
They're guys who really kind of get off on being able to bring women back and have nothing going on.
Look at what a loser I am and I'm still getting laid.
So that kind of thing, you can use that to your advantage probably.
That's what I did when I was in college is I was like, yeah, I'm a loser, but if this is what I can pull now, think about 10 years from now when you're actually not a loser, how good things might be.
I just like women who have their shit together and cougars tend to be more professional, like executive types.
I no longer go for the starving artists because I always like to be the less crazy person in the relationship.
And if I'm the one that they're relying on for some kind of stability and I'm like already completely fucking crazy with the stuff I'm working on, that's not a good thing.
You know, like when somebody's asking me for quarters to use the laundry machine, that's not a good relationship.
Maybe, but it's just, you know, we were talking about it and she was talking about how difficult it is to date someone who's really struggling because it becomes a mantra.
It's like going off in the back of their head at all times.
Yeah, it's definitely better if you can walk into something where you have a bit of money because when you have money, it's the opposite feeling in your head.
It's, oh, this could go away if I wanted it to.
Whatever the problem is, like, this could probably be reduced if I need it to.
But the big thing that I noticed when I got my first development deal, it wasn't a lot of money, but it was enough money where I could relax.
Like, I wasn't getting rich, but I was like, holy shit, I've got some money.
Like, I can really, I don't have to worry about paying my bills.
I can pay my rent this month.
There was this crazy weight lifted off my shoulder.
And I think I was 25 at the time.
And, you know, most of my life up until that point, from the time I was working, it was just all struggles.
There was never money in the bank.
The money was in the bank.
It was enough to pay whatever check I sent out, maybe.
And then I was going to have to stuff some more money in there as quick as possible to pay for the next bills.
But all of a sudden, I had some money in the bank.
And there was this weird feeling of relaxation.
I was like, wow, this is incredible.
Not rich, just not having to worry.
So whenever I give people, you know, if I talk to someone who's struggling or talk to someone who's trying to plan their future, I always say, and this is, it's hard to believe, but it is the truth.
Being rich doesn't matter.
You get used to everything you're doing.
You get used to being in a big house.
I've been in a small apartment.
It felt exactly the same as being in a big house.
Being in a big house is kind of cool, but it's definitely not as, it's not worth what it costs to be in a big house.
If you think like if you buy a house for a million bucks, the amount of money you have to spend every fucking month on a million dollar house in mortgage and fixing it up and the amount of hours that you have to work if you're, you know, you work a reasonable job, you know, you make 100 grand a year or something like that, normal, you know, good wage.
It's a lot of fucking money, man.
Your house costs 10 times what you make in a year and you're never going to pay it off in a year.
You're going to pay it off in 30 years and then you're going to have to fucking pay insurance on the fucking property tax.
What do you mean property tax?
I got to pay tax on some shit I already bought every year?
What do you mean?
I already own it.
I own the fucking house.
I own the property and I have to pay you.
What am I paying you for?
I'm giving you money for what I own?
What the fuck is going on here?
And it'll drive you crazy.
And plumbing and electricity and this and that.
When you really stop and think about how much you're actually working for what you're getting out of it, it's definitely not worth it for most people.
But what is worth it is to not worry about going to dinner.
If you can have enough money where you can go and get a meal at a restaurant and not think too much about it, just say, I would like the salmon and not look at the price and say the chicken's this much, but the salmon's, you know, a dollar less.
I'll get the salmon.
Instead of thinking like that, you can just order what you would like.
You could go to a movie and not worry about the movie.
All the other shit, like the difference between having a Lexus and having a Mercedes, the difference between having a Toyota and having a Ford.
You get used to everything.
Everything you're doing, you get used to.
As long as your car gets you to work, it's fine.
If you have enough money to buy a Mustang, hey, you love Mustangs?
Go get a fucking Mustang, man.
Enjoy yourself.
But if you don't, don't fucking sweat it.
Do you have a car that gets you there?
That's the real difference between your car being repossessed, you having no money for food, you having no money for rent, and being able to pay your bills.
Well, it's going to get even crazier in the years ahead with Bitcoin because some of the earliest adopters, the amount of coins they have, you think about it, you're like, well, these people are for sure going to be billionaires and they're going to be at the upper end of that.
They're not even going to be like low-level billionaires.
I think for them, eventually it's about living in a world where you walk into a Store and the price is there in Bitcoin first.
So I think if they hold out for long enough and if it doesn't get fucked over by too much bad stuff, like the Mt.
Gox situation, that we could live in a place like that because then you have one price, regardless of what country you're in, you know, kind of like a universal price language.
Like it's kind of a long shot, but it could actually happen.
And in that case, that person becomes like science fiction rich.
You know, like we're talking about somebody who could be worth hundreds of billions of dollars instead of just worth, you know, 10,000 Bitcoins or whatever.
Yeah, so this company didn't know what the fuck they were doing and didn't know their ass from their elbow in terms of programming languages.
Like somebody told me they programmed their trading platform in PHP, which I don't know that much about programming, but apparently is like totally not the right language for anything financial.
And their whole thing is based on this.
And so they're just super incompetent.
And for whatever reason, they're the ones who stumbled into this massive market of like, you're now trading billions of dollars of Bitcoins and supporting the whole planet's Bitcoin market.
And they weren't ready for that.
And just series of fuck ups at every stage, like bad at PR, bad at communicating what's going on.
When something doesn't work, they just take it offline, not realizing the implications of like, well, you're going to scare the shit out of the whole market if you just take shit offline and don't tell people in advance.
And it looks like they got had by somebody, that somebody found an exploit, took the money, even the money that was in cold storage somehow, which was supposed to be impossible, but I'm sure they were incompetent enough to have fucked up somewhere along the way.
And now we're in the situation we're in now where people are panicked.
But the good news is that there are other exchanges out there that are much more credible, backed by real companies.
And they're coming online.
There are a couple in the US that are coming online, which is pretty cool.
Because I want to see the US be in on the action.
I don't want to see this be something that's just happening in Japan and places.
Okay, so yeah, Bitcoin itself has not been hacked.
And as far as I know, it's never been hacked.
Like the actual protocol is 100%, I don't want to say perfect, but if I send you money, there's certainty that I've sent it to you.
And in this case, they were using something called transaction malleability, which I, full disclosure, don't fully understand this shit.
But pretty much what I think it is, is like if I write you a check, you have to wait until that check clears before you actually assume you have the money.
And in this case, Mt.
Gox was assuming based on unconfirmed transactions that they had money or that they were sending money.
And apparently, if you know anything about Bitcoin, you can't do this.
And the other exchanges weren't doing it.
And so it'd be like if you got a million dollar check, it could totally be a rubber check.
Maybe in the short term, but I had the CEO of CoinMarket on my podcast the other day, and he runs one of the U.S. exchanges.
They're actually based in Santa Monica, and he didn't sound phased at all.
He told me, this is a couple hours before Mt.
Gox actually came out as being insolvent.
He told me on the podcast, I think they're insolvent, and I think they need to disappear as soon as possible.
Not disappear as then run away, but just like disappear from the Bitcoin ecosystem so that more credible companies like us can step in and do this shit in a way that's legal and regulated and actually backed by real investors.
And he didn't sound concerned about it.
He's kind of like, well, yeah, our shitty competition is going out of business and now we can take over.
I think as long as people continue to watch porn and pay webcam girls with Bitcoins, as long as people continue to like online gambling, as long as you have libertarians who want to stash away some of their money in case there's some kind of financial apocalypse, as long as you have those three things, there's always going to be Bitcoin demand.
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Well, that guy put together this huge, multiple million dollar professional pool league, and he was going to market it based on the idea that you could gamble on the matches online.
And right when it was coming out, right when they invested all the money, they changed the laws.
And it was just to force out all the online gambling.
All the online casinos and online, you know, all that Bowdog.com, all those different places.
Those guys all got fucked.
Dudes had to leave the country.
That Bowdog guy, he had a Bowdog fight.
There's an organization, a fight organization.
He had to leave the country.
He can't come to America.
If he comes to America, they'll arrest him.
And it's just because of online gambling.
It's so gross.
It makes me so sick.
The idea that they can somehow or another prevent people from gambling.
But you don't prevent them from gambling in Vegas.
You don't prevent them in Atlantic City.
You don't prevent them in Indian casinos.
You don't prevent them in card casinos.
It's just like they've decided arbitrarily to keep people from doing it online because it hurts those casinos or it hurts whatever, whoever it is that it hurts.
They've decided to allow them to prohibit business.
They've allowed them to halt competition and halt innovation.
Because by eliminating online gambling, you're not just eliminating online gambling.
You're eliminating a lot of different financial transactions.
You're eliminating a lot of wagering that is done through credit cards.
You're going to force these people to go to Costa Rica.
I mean, you're doing a lot of stupid shit.
You're really stopping business.
Everything from the construction of buildings these people are going to use to the employees, the financial careers that people could have in online gambling, running websites, legit businesses, where you're providing a legit service.
But somehow or another, this county government got away with stopping all that shit.
It really makes me sick.
But if you could use Bitcoin, if that's a legal loophole, and you could use Bitcoin to gamble on things, God damn, like sports, if you could gamble on the fucking Super Bowl, Major League Baseball, NBA, UFC, boxing, golf, if you could gamble on all that shit.
Not only would it be worth billions, if people found out that you could actually buy shit with this Bitcoin, they would start investing chunks of their portfolio in Bitcoins.
People would say, hey, you know, I want 10% of my finances in Bitcoin because I like to gamble.
And I understand like you got to respect somebody's culture, but you also have to respect the fact that a lot of these people living in these societies probably don't want to live that way.
And you can't get out of that trap, especially if that trap is tied to religion.
If you're eliminating information, you're eliminating progress.
You're eliminating people growing.
And you're doing it under the name of religion.
You know what, man?
I really, if I don't know what God wrote or what he didn't wrote, but I highly doubt if he's the way you're describing him, this awesome, amazing guy, I highly doubt he gives a fuck what kind of clothes you wear.
That's just me, though.
I mean, I'm not thinking for God or anything, but I just highly doubt.
So what you're dealing with, most likely, I'm not saying definitely, but most likely, is some bullshit written by people, and it's poisoned your culture.
Absolutely poisoned the very foundations of your culture and won't allow any progress.
It will not allow new information.
It will not allow consideration of old ways.
The way you live is perfect, and it will not change.
You're going to be cutting camels' heads off with fucking dull knives to the end of time.
And that's just what it is.
What you're doing is how you're always going to do it.
You're always going to say Allah Wakba.
You're always going to fucking dress that way.
You're always going to bow to the East.
All that same shit that you've been doing since the beginning of the millennia.
You know, when you deal with that many people, you can't have them at their discretion get in touch with you.
You have a certain amount of responsibility to try to connect with people online because it's what you do and it's what I do as well.
But you can't allow them to just do it at their discretion anytime because it's intrusive.
Your regular life is important.
Like you have to be able to have time to reflect.
If you don't, you'll never form your own opinions.
You'll just be constantly inundated with information and other people's activity.
You can't do that.
You can't allow that.
It's a symptom of the new world.
And you are experiencing it in extreme form because you're sort of a public figure and you're a journalist and you're controversial and you cover a lot of very fascinating subjects.
So you're going to get a lot more than the average person who has this set up like that.
And then the texts that were coming, it's just, I tweeted something yesterday that somebody sent me that I was talking about how I felt when my child was born that I was thinking about how crazy it must be how many different babies are being born right now.
If you could see them all in real time in front of you, like on a giant screen, it would be like a baby invasion.
I mean, you don't think about it because you're only in that hospital room while that one's being born.
Well, somebody sent me a tweet, and in that tweet is a link that shows in real time every baby being born all around the world.
Yeah, when people stopped being fertile or something fucking stupid.
You know, well, that is the people that are not dooming gloomers about overpopulation.
Their idea is that as time goes on, what's going to happen is the cultures, like third world cultures that are like really having massive amounts of children, childbirths, those are going to become more developed.
And as they become more developed, we're actually going to have a decreasing population.
That's the non-doom and gloomers.
They obviously don't have this website on bookmark because if they did, they would see the fucking invasion in real time.
And oh my God, how are we going to have enough oil?
Booked out for months, and it's the best sushi in the world, apparently.
And the guy, I mean, his son's 50 years old, and his son goes to the fish market every day and buys from the same guy who's like literally got a flashlight on the tuna and touching it with his fingers.
And he has to make sure he has a feel for the texture.
And the texture will directly contribute or directly correlate with great flavor.
Like he knows what texture is the right one.
Then they know like how to age the tuna and how long for an old tuna, how long for a young tuna.
And the ocean, yeah, there's just the ocean is so goddamn big that right now it's okay.
But the real issue is not just Fukushima.
It's these nuclear plants in general.
To make it relative to someone, I had a conversation with a friend who is very pro-business and very pro-nuclear power and the benefits of nuclear power.
And he's talking about these few places where the issues have arisen.
And I said, well, okay, I just want you to think about the amount of time that nuclear power has been here.
Now think about the amount of nuclear power plants that exist.
Now think about how many of the men have had catastrophic failures.
Only two, right?
Only two.
You're right.
But those two, those places are fahed forever.
There's two, and it's less than 100 years of nuclear power.
How long do you think people have been around?
What if people are around another 20,000 years?
Stop and think about how many of those nuclear power plants are going to fuh everything around them.
There's two places right now: Chernobyl and this place.
And then there's a three-mile island or four-mile island or whatever the fuck it is.
That place is kind of fucked, but not quite as fucked.
But they kind of assumed upon construction that with innovation and with progress, in the future there was going to be able to be a way to correct all these issues.
It's like you look at what people are willing to accept and not willing to accept just in the name of having fuel, just in the name of progress, just in the name of financial reward.
And it's kind of scary how flippant people are about polluting the ocean, about polluting the BP oil scale.
I had Peter Schiff on, and we were talking about the BP thing, and he was talking about...
Like everything doesn't have to be in your framework of the free market principle.
Like that's great for a lot of shit.
If you want to get the best water or the best soda or the best weed, it's probably a good idea to get free markets working there so you have competition.
It doesn't have to be for every single facet of life.
His willingness to, you know, the fracking thing, like his concern about fracking was so, it was really funny, like talking to him about people that have had their land just destroyed forever.
And he was saying, well, they got millions of dollars.
Those people, they got money they would have never been able to get.
It's probably not nearly as much as it is to those people.
So for Peter Schiff, a million dollars or whatever the fuck these people, that's worth it to destroy a piece of property, essentially for as long as people have ever been around.
There's over a thousand documented wells that have been polluted from fracking.
You know, the idea is that if fracturing works exactly according to plan, it's so deep in the ground that you're not going to disturb wells.
But it doesn't work according to plan.
It's a crazy business.
What you do, you're pumping water into the center of the earth.
You're creating earthquakes.
And I've had a lot of people Google me like, you need to get up to date with your research, like really right-wingy type people who are pro-business, who, by the way, almost always financially struggling, but are clearing the way for the one day when in the future they have money.
They're going to go out.
They're going to need the regulations to be kind of light because they want to make some money in this economy.
Well, all these people, I would send them to all these websites and then they would just vanish.
Like, you can't say anything.
So I'll just send you, I'll send you all the links.
I'll send you the fucking, one of the CEOs of Exxon petitioning to not have fracking on his property.
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It would be a 15-story building adjacent to Tillerson's 83-acre horse ranch, not far from an 18-acre homestead.
Among the others who oppose the project are people not exactly known for their environmental concerns.
Former U.S. House Majority Leader Dick Amney and his wife, for example.
All these fucking rich cunts they're putting in their neighborhood and they don't want it.
Oh, you guys are fine when it was in Baltimore.
All right, you guys were fine when it was in the middle of Pennsylvania, shitting into a river that people like to fish in.
Fuck all you.
Fuck all you fucking criminals.
You shitty environmental criminals.
You guys are ruining the earth.
This is not a way to do it.
You can't just pump water and chemicals into the ground because We know that there's gas and oil there.
Well, the reason for a lot of the people that have these negative opinions on marijuana brownies or pot cookies is that most of the times they're used recreationally.
Most of the times people are using them just sort of to have fun with them.
I have a friend who actually is a manager at one of the dispensaries out there in Denver.
And she was telling me when one of their dispensaries moves into a neighborhood, all the people stop going to their dealer and they just come into the store and that's their new place, obviously, because they want to do something that's less risky.
You've just fucked all those dealers out of their money.
Like that's done.
Now it's being taxed.
Now it's being regulated.
It's helping people because people are being paid jobs that actually pay well instead of just one drug dealer taking all the money.
So if you're somebody who doesn't like it or it makes you paranoid when you do it, or you just have a conservative upbringing, it's not something where you're constantly confronted by it.
I think that's cool.
If you want it, it's very easy to get.
If you don't, it doesn't have to be a part of your life.
You know, that's one of the great things about being a journalist is when you get to the point where you just realize you can say, I don't know to things, and that's the best way to do it.
It's an interesting thing because a lot of these stores, that green plus sign has become so universal that's all it has on the sign.
They'll have a green plus sign and then they'll say like W, you know, whatever, you know, West Valley Caregivers was one of them.
So it was W V C G. That's all it said.
And then you get near, it's West Valley Caregivers, like, what the fuck are you actually selling?
And you get in there, and it's just tanks of weed.
You're like, oh, I see what you're doing.
Unfortunately, that place that I used to go to, my favorite spot, the government told them that they had to close down because they had opened up too late, like after a certain amount of time.
They weren't approved or something like that.
And the dude was like, he was very nervous about it because they had gotten shut down once or something else.
And the guy who owned it previously wound up going to jail.
He was one of the few people that got popped.
Actually, he didn't own that one.
He owned another one.
But I know one of the guys who got popped and wound up doing time.
And then there's some guys in San Francisco, those guys, Pot University guys, whatever the fuck they are, Cannabis University, those guys are still duking it out in court.
I mean, look, there's plenty of weed, and it's way easier to get, and it's way more relaxed, but it's still sketchy federally.
And if someone comes in after Obama, which is very likely, that is more repressive, because this Obama thing has been a goddamn mess.
I mean, what he's done and what we thought he was going to do are so polar opposite.
You know, they didn't stop the DEA from raiding these medical marijuana facilities.
There was a lot of raids during his time.
If you want to go and look at how many raids took place during Obama's time, it's been quite substantial.
The blowback from that has also been substantial, and it's very damaging to his party because he's essentially a Republican in wolf's clothing.
I mean, a lot of the shit that they've done outside of social things have been like, you know, really, really similar to what the Bush administration did.
There's been a lot of really negative shit that's happened with the DEA breaking into these pot stores, putting fucking boots on kids' necks and taking.
Like, there was one that they did where they got caught doing all this because all the film was sent remotely to another location, like constantly.
It was kind of sent so no one could steal the hard drives.
The security cameras were still recording.
So you got to see them put their boots on this kid's neck, throw him to the ground.
So the point is, there's probably going to be someone could easily bribe a politician to go hard on these things with the new administration in office.
If there was a big push by the pharmaceutical industry, it was a big push by the alcohol industry, big push by whatever prison guards, unions, whoever it needs to be that can grease the wheels to get them to be harder on marijuana.
My thinking was that they're kind of like, oh, you can use the medical benefits as long as you don't get high from it.
And I think that this is totally just my own perspective.
I really think that part of the medicinal property of marijuana is that it allows you to see things differently.
And I think there's much more of a connection between the mental and the physical than we're willing to accept in our Western society.
And I feel like most humans up until about 100 years ago took most of what I'm saying for granted.
Like, you remember reading books, like novels in the 1800s where somebody's sick and their doctor says, go live somewhere, like, go live in the countryside, you'll feel better.
And they would prescribe this shit.
It actually works because if you're less stressed out and you're in a better environment, you get better.
Your body knows what to do.
And we've totally like, we try to be so clinical with everything that we can't let somebody just get high and fucked up for a few hours and figure out their own shit.
It has to be very clinical.
You know, you can't actually feel something that's an altered state of consciousness.
Although I agree with you on that, I think the scientific principle or the scientific reasoning behind extracting CBDs is just so that people who have injuries can have pain medication that's natural and have it while they're at work.
It seems to me like they pretty much just want lower taxes.
Because if you really believed in limited government, how the fuck can the government tell you that you can't put something that's first of all safe into your own body, in the comfort and safety of your own fucking home when you're an American citizen and supposedly live in a free society?
You should be able to do that in some way.
Do I think it should be taxed and regulated?
Absolutely.
Keep it safe.
Keep it on the books.
But why shouldn't you be allowed to do that?
I'm sure she doesn't have a real argument against that, so it's only ad hominem.
It's, well, they're lazy.
And you're like, well, what about the Beatles?
Were they lazy?
What about Steve Jobs?
Is he lazy?
You know, you're just isolating one anecdotal fucking thing.
And that's not, I can make an argument against alcohol based on Some guy outside who's drunk in front of a liquor store, that doesn't mean you shouldn't go out drinking with your friends.
The idea that alcohol is more, you know, that you could easily underdose with alcohol and just have a warm feeling, but you can't do that with marijuana.
That's so foolish.
It's so dumb.
And it's so ignorant to human physiology.
It's so ignorant to all the different things that we use on a daily basis, where if you overuse them, they would fucking kill you.
I mean, there's a huge amount of medications that people take on a daily basis, where if they took 20 times more than they were supposed to take, they're dead.
You know, salt, 10 ounces of salt, you're a dead person.
Well, he speeds himself up, then apparently you get a little freaked out from that, so he needs something to relax, and that's where the Xanax comes in, but then he can't go to bed at night, so he needs the Ambien.
I totally do that with coffee and alcohol, though.
Because what happens is you have like a meeting at 6 p.m., so you get all caffeinated, and then it's 6.45 and you're in your apartment, you're like, fuck, I need to chill out.
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So you start drinking because you're so amped from the caffeine.
Well, I used to have a buddy that had a crack habit, and I used to go with him and go to the liquor store when he was fucked up and he wanted to calm down.
He would go to the liquor store and he would buy a 40-ounce just to bring his heart rate down.
No, I mean, look, I couldn't get upset at you for saying healthy living.
It's obviously not healthy.
He had a lot of drug problems, but he wound up dying because of it.
But just seeing him trying to calm down by drinking, pounding this 40-ounce of beer, just trying to get the alcohol into his bloodstream to just alleviate the crazy heartbeat that he had going on.
If they said that, if they're honest about that, they're like, look, you shouldn't do this one because it's going to lower your motivation.
At least stay away from it until you get into college or until you get a job or whatever it is that you need to get.
You should avoid it if you want to be as motivated as possible.
If they said that, then I'd be like, okay, then I'll listen to you when it comes to stay away from the crack cocaine because it'll fuck up your life, which it will.
Well, it also fucks up the relationship that people have to law enforcement.
It fucks up the relationship that people have to people in positions of authority that you legitimately need to protect you in a civilized society.
And that's what the cop should be.
Being a cop should be an honorable position that's very difficult to acquire.
It should be something that we really respect and we love and appreciate the people that are around us that are there to help us if some shit goes wrong, if some bad people are around, if some people are victimizing other people, if some people are breaking the law.
That should be a part of our society.
But when they become a DEA person and they're shooting someone's fucking dog because they got a plant growing in their house, I mean, how many of those goddamn videos you have to see before you realize there's a problem with the fact that these cops think they could just break into someone's house and shoot their fucking dog for nothing?
They shoot dogs that are behind dog gates barking, little tiny dogs.
They just shoot them.
They shoot them because they want to intimidate the fuck out of the people.
They want to let them know, look, I just shot your fucking dog.
You're going to start crying and I'm going to get what I want.
And it's part of the power trip.
It's part of the thing.
And it's part of what makes people distrust cops.
And that's fucked.
If cops didn't have to deal with these laws, if there wasn't laws that were unjust on the books, then this sort of behavior would never take place.
If you couldn't do that to someone, if you couldn't break down someone's door and fucking shoot their dog, if you could only go and arrest people who are committing crimes, our whole attitude, crimes that victimize people, our whole attitude about law enforcement would change.
It would make it better for them.
It would make it better for them.
They would become like firefighters.
It would become an integral part of our society that's absolutely necessary, except for the people that are fucking committing the crime, Which we don't want in the first place.
But it has to be real crime.
It has to be crime that creates victims.
Victimless crimes are horseshit.
Crimes against yourself, they're bullshit.
You can't stop a person from cutting off their own fucking finger.
Did you know that?
If you decided to go get a bolt cutter from fucking Home Depot, take it home, and hack off one of your fingers, no one can fucking stop you.
You go to the hospital and they say, what happened?
Oh, I cut my finger off of the bolt cutter.
They're not going to arrest you.
They're going to go, why'd you do that?
You're like, I fucking hate that finger.
They're going, all right.
Well, don't do that again, you idiot.
You're going to die.
You know, you got an infection.
Take these antibiotics and get out of the hospital.
But how come you can cut off your fucking finger?
But if you see a guy who likes to smoke pot, you can arrest him.
You can arrest him for what?
What's he doing?
He's doing something to his body that you don't agree?
Is that what it is?
Because there's no victims here.
Is there a victim?
Is the smoke going into the air and polluting our modern discourse?
Is it fucking taking paint off cars down the block?
And the reason why, or one of the reasons why that distinction is very difficult to make, is because there's people that have made these laws and enforcing these laws a business.
There's a business not just in keeping prison guards in work, but keeping prisons filled and making sure that prisons generate income from bringing in prisoners.
So they make sure that laws are in place that absolutely ensure that they're going to have new people in there every year because people are going to keep breaking these laws because they're laws that are ridiculous.
They're laws that have been in place since the beginning of time.
And those laws, they're about 30% of the people that are in prison.
Do you think that these laws, these anti-psychedelic and anti-marijuana laws, are actually like a form of society's immune system kind of going overboard?
Like I think about how some of the most brilliant people seem to have some kind of interaction with drugs at some point in their lives, whether it be Steve Jobs with the acid trips or, you know, pretty much any musician with weed or any writer with weed.
It unlocks a lot of potential that otherwise wouldn't be there for people.
And it shows you the world in a different way, especially if you do something that's even stronger, like a psychedelic.
It's showing you something that's almost like root access to a computer, where it gives you a lot more power.
But for most people, you don't want root access.
You just want them to have their, you know, their web browser, and that's it, and you don't want them fucking stuff up.
I wonder if society as a whole is the kind of unconscious thing that goes on.
It's like, this is really powerful stuff.
So we'll allow some people to have access to it.
But we can't just let the whole society go Timothy Leary, you know, tune in, tune out, whatever his thing was, because what we'll have as a result is completely uncharted waters that we haven't been to before.
And there are people really afraid of that happening.
Well, I think if you have to look where are these laws coming from, are the laws coming from really educated philosophers and scholars who have examined?
No, no, these laws are coming from people who are doing a lot of fear-mongering.
You remember all the shit that Ronald Reagan was saying back in the day?
Well, it turns out that marijuana may be one of the most damaging drugs known to Maine.
The most dangerous.
You know, it's that kind of shit.
Those are the people.
People like this and Cultur Twat.
Let's finish listening to this because it's so fucking ridiculous.
Because potheads are incapable of following simple instructions and getting a job done.
I used to carry on.
at Piers Morgan's body language he's like this fucking awful person that I have to interview he's awful too yeah he got fine What do you mean by that?
Was when I moved to a new place in California and there was a pool and the pool guy didn't, you know, I come back and it's four feet down and it's covered with green mold and I called him up.
What you're seeing, ladies and gentlemen, what you're seeing right now is a human who's screaming for a psychedelic intervention.
If we could get Ann Coulter into a jungle retreat in Peru and force feed ayahuasca with one of those things they use for fagua when they stuff like a goose filled with grain to make their liver fat and delicious, if we could do that with her with ayahuasca,
just pin their nose and their mouth, just pin it together, hold on to it, force it down, hold it in there, make sure her body absorbs it, and then they'll throw up and then let this bitch go on a wild ride on the feathered snake and come back.
What she's doing right there is just being a silly person.
What she's doing right there is purposely trolling.
What she's doing right there is just trying to get attention and holding on to an argument that doesn't have any basis in logical thinking.
Her argument is just about her trying to get her point over.
She's just a shitty example of a person who's allowed to talk.
That's what it is.
You shouldn't be given that sort of a platform if that's the kind of thing that you do.
Because it's so obvious she's not a thinker.
What she's doing is she has an ideology and she pushes that ideology at the expense of all the contradictory evidence.
No matter what.
She's talking about fucking alcohol being okay, cigarettes being okay, marijuana being bad.
They're going to be on my tax bill is her concern.
Well, guess what, Hooker?
I'm not on your tax bill.
There you go.
I smoke pot.
It's a dumb thing to say.
It's just the fucking Nancy Grace thing.
They're all lazy potters.
Look at you, fat so.
Are you a fucking maniac mountain climber?
Is that you running 100 miles every morning?
You're fucking lazy.
You're a lazy bitch.
You're a lazy fat-faced bitch.
Okay?
There's a bunch of lazy dummies out there talking shit about pot.
It's not pot.
And can pot make you lazy?
Well, it can relax you.
And if you have a tendency to want to not do things, pot will definitely accentuate that tendency.
But being lazy is a state of mind.
It's what you decide, the direction you decide to pursue your life.
I'm not lazy because of marijuana.
I am more introspective.
And oftentimes I get more done because of marijuana because I have more interests.
It's just we have these perceptions and we have these stereotypes that have been reinforced in movies and we have these ideas and we have these ideas that are coming from a person who clearly doesn't smoke pot.
Clearly she's not eating pot cookies and exploring her consciousness.
I don't believe in any kind of media laws, but I almost feel like there should be a law where if you're going to talk about a subject this big, you actually have to have first-hand experience.
So if you're talking about marijuana is harmful, you must have actually used it yourself more than once before you can talk about it in that manner.
If you're talking about Bitcoin, you actually have to have used it at least once.
If you're talking about anything, if you're talking about being unemployed, you have to have been unemployed at some point or at least interview somebody who's unemployed now and not just pontificate, which is what so many people do.
I think the marijuana thing is it's also troubling the format in which they're communicating in.
These goddamn formats, these television formats, are so, and I didn't realize it when I was younger, but now after four years of podcasting, I'm so aware of what the difference is and communicating like that and communicating like this.
Like when you do jiu-jitsu, like say if you're really good at jiu-jitsu and you roll with someone who's just really strong, you roll with a guy who's like a really good athlete.
It takes you a while to get them, but you're going to get them.
It's just going to take a while.
Like if someone doesn't know jiu-jitsu, but they're really strong, you might not be able to hold on to them.
They might throw you off them.
But eventually they're going to get tired of doing that because they're doing it the wrong way and you're going to get them.
When Ann Coulter is on a Pierce Morgan show, she could say a bunch of crazy shit because she knows the commercial's coming in seven minutes.
She can start this ridiculous argument that's completely circuitous.
It doesn't have an ending to it.
And there's going to be an interruption.
We'll be right back.
And then they're going to cut the commercial and they're going to come back and she's going to babble some more so she can sprint.
It's just like a fight where you sprint in between rounds.
You sprint and then in between rounds you relax and then you come back with some other fucking inane argument in the next round.
And that's what she's doing.
But if you got her on a podcast for three hours, I would Brian dunning her.
I would do exactly what I did to that guy.
You just talk to them and allow them to express themselves until you reveal how ridiculous they are.
Yeah, if she were here, she wouldn't be able to do an intellectual hit and run where you throw out like this huge character attack against weed smokers and then it's over.
You're going to get tired of sprinting with nonsense.
And then slowly but surely, we will compile facts and slowly but surely we will present you with examples of people who use it, who are healthy, and who benefit from it.
And I'll tell you my own personal story.
I benefit from it.
And then we can compare.
And you can tell me if you think that Eddie Bravo is lazy.
You think that one of the best jiu-jitsu instructors in the country, the first American to ever tap a Gracie.
You know, just stop and think about all the comedians we know that smoke weed, that fucking constantly travel across the country, that constantly writing and performing.
Are they lazy, Ann?
No, you're lazy thinking.
And in saying that, you're lazy.
And if that's the type of discourse that you pursue, if that's what you're trying to do, if that's what you're trying, that's a lazy way of being a human being.
That's a lazy way of operating an incredibly complex neural system.
That's a lazy way of being a functioning human being who is given this incredible position of communicating with the world.
Because you have responsibilities when you're communicating with the world.
And one of those responsibilities is to express yourself to the best of your abilities, to look at life through the...
Well, what these boogeyman drugs are is you take an illegal drug, you alter it so that it's no longer illegal, but it still has ridiculous effects on the human body, and then you sell it as not for human consumption.
It's not just one simple formula.
They don't just take meth and add phosphorus to it.
I mean, there's a bunch of different versions of these bath salts.
So if you're saying that he didn't test positive for bath salts, you're right and you're wrong.
You're right.
He didn't test positive.
But the reason is they don't have a test for it.
So of course he didn't test positive for bath salts.
You send a test through a lab.
They're going to test for a bunch of different shit.
They're going to look for, you know, cocaine.
They're going to look for alcohol.
They have a spectrum that they look for things in.
Unless you specifically tell them what kind of bass salts, they're not going to look for that.
I think that's part of the, you know, when we had these discussions, there was nobody listening.
So we just expressed our thoughts and it allows you, you know, a platform to explore.
But these like five-minute blurbs where people run on and start arguments on television just to try to get people to buy their book.
That's silent movies, man.
That's some old shit that doesn't work anymore.
The world is complicated.
And a five-minute conversation on a very complex issue that has a massive social impact, massive, both positive and negative.
Like everything, like every fucking good thing in this life, driving has a positive and negative effect.
I am not going to stop driving.
I like being able to get somewhere quicker than walking.
But driving kills people.
There's car accidents.
You're breathing in brake dust if you live in a fucking city.
Forget about the pollution from the engines.
There's no free lunch.
Everything has a plus and a minus.
But it's our job as human beings to have a balanced approach.
And here's what's not good: suppressing and making something illegal that's beneficial to millions of people.
And if there's any lesson to be learned from prohibition, it's the rise of organized crime.
Because when you turn regular people into criminals, the criminals are going to provide those regular people with drugs, and it's going to be untaxed, unregulated.
I feel bad for anybody that's in that position because that's such an for a person who has experienced life through as much of an objective lens as you can, and you see a person like that, that's not a person who's at their best.
That's not a person who has done a lot of soul searching and a lot of thinking and has come to this really peaceful, loving conclusion.
That's a silly person.
That silly person has to be themselves and live with their own nightmares every night.
When you were talking about how we lived in a fucked up world and people do crazy stuff and things are mixed, I wrote this article the other day that a lot of my readers didn't like, but I think it's one of the better things I've ever written.
And it's where I take this angle where I'm like, what if President Obama is right about most of this stuff?
He's doing a lot of stuff that is arguably not constitutional.
However, there are 7 billion people on the planet.
A lot of them are driven by hateful ideology in certain parts of the world.
And in a nuclear age, it only takes one of them.
It doesn't even take a nuke.
It takes another 9-11.
I guess going from anculture to 9-11 is natural, but I can start to see the other side of the whole argument.
And I think you have to be able to do that if you're doing the kind of work that I do, is I have to see where people like General Keith Alexander are coming from, which is the argument that we can't, sorry that we're looking for your text messages.
That sucks.
Boohoo.
But we're not going to allow another 9-11 to happen because we don't want to have 3,000 innocent people die and have the economy crash and have total chaos for the next five years.
And so I can see things in that light.
And I wrote this article coming from that place of, you know, he's kept us safe.
And I realize that's a total Bush era argument.
And it's the kind of thing that I normally despise.
But you have to be willing to explore that and explore the fact that it's the year 2014 now.
He's been in office since January 2009.
And you have these fearmongers and the alternative media, people who I don't want to diss because I do their shows and they do mine.
But, you know, people like Alex Jones, basically, where it's fucking 2014.
Like, if what you're saying is true, why are you not in a gulag somewhere?
Why aren't you in a fucking dungeon tower being tortured by Homeland Security?
But my point, though, is like Obama is not the boogeyman that he's been made out to be.
I think that what he is, is somebody who's trying to do the best they can within an extremely fucked up and flawed and pieced together system that is dealing with like 15 different entities at once.
You know, like whenever the DEA breaks in somebody's door, that's not because Obama is like sitting in the White House on his iPad and he's like, oh yeah, let's go to this guy's house, right?
Like he's got other things on his mind.
And yet we link all this to Obama and we should instead be trying to modernize the whole fucking system so that Obama has less to do.
And I think you should be allowed to explore an idea.
I think it's important to be able to explore an idea.
And people on the left or people that are anti-war or and rightly so, they would reject that instantaneously.
But I think that to get to know it, you really have to explore it.
I think to look at the holes in the argument, even to look at it from an offensive point of view, you have to explore it and look at it from their point of view to understand them.
I think that I would agree with you in a lot of ways that Obama has one of the most thankless jobs ever.
And it's an unbelievably fucked up situation to try to deal with.
However, he's lied about things.
And I have issues with that.
I have issue with the lying about the NSA collecting only metadata.
I mean, how long did he think that that was going to stay a lie?
I mean, or that that was going to sit out there before people found out.
I mean, people exposed that that was not true within days.
I wrote down don't go negative, but there's a new NSA Snowden document that the NSA and the GCHQ, which is the British version of it, I guess the British government's NSA pretty much.
They have this whole procedural thing for how to go after activists that they don't like and harass them using troll identities.
Like literally, there are slideshows showing how NSA agents troll people they don't like online and destroy their credibility and reputations.
That's so crazy.
And this is shit that even a week ago to say this would be like kind of out there.
Because sure, like maybe governments troll people, but you can't say with authority like the U.S. government and the British government are trolling people they don't like.
Now we know that this is a fact and that's something that needs to be reined in because that's not because we're paying for this craziness.
We're paying for some anti-social sociopaths to get a paycheck every two weeks from the federal government to fucking do crazy stuff on the internet.
But you know, if there's enough people working for the government that are trying to discredit you, I'm sure they could put a good dent in public perception of you.
Why would they?
That's not what you're supposed to be doing if you're a fucking government.
All right.
You're supposed to being a government is like one of the things, it's sort of in a lot of ways like what you shouldn't do when you argue with trolls online.
Like you shouldn't do that because, you know, you just got to accept the fact that you're in an unusual position.
Well, the government's in an unusual position, too.
He was basically getting trolled by Snowden for a little while.
Like I was watching this, and I was like, it's absolutely ridiculous for a U.S. president to be lowering himself to the level of a 29-year-old freelance contractor for some defense company.
I mean, if you look at what is law, what is law in this country?
Well, there are laws and there are precedents that have been set.
Way back to when the founding fathers had no idea we're ever going to have a fucking internet, they had certain laws that were in place in order to make sure that people's rights are protected and that the government doesn't get out of hand, that law enforcement doesn't get out of hand because people who have ultimate power, it corrupts them.
It's just, it always has.
It's had since the beginning of time.
Whether it's a fucking security guard at a mall or whether it's a president of the United States, power is a corrupting thing.
And there's laws in place.
They circumvented those laws.
They changed those laws.
They passed things like the NDAA.
They passed things like the Patriot Act.
They passed all these things to make laws that are in place to protect people's rights invalid, make the Fourth Amendment invalid.
And so then they feel justified by doing what is essentially a crime.
Well, a guy comes out and says, hey, a crime is being committed on 300 million people in this country and multiple millions worldwide by a group of Americans who didn't get a license to do this by any voting, by any court of public opinion.
So because they have the power to do so, they acted on it, and that's a crime.
That is a crime.
We have laws.
So what Snowden did was calling him a traitor is one of the most disgusting labels you could ever label a guy who took his own life and sacrificed his safety and his security in order to enlighten millions of people that a crime is going on.
I mean, he's a modern Paul Revere times a million.
They do steal like scientists and they steal like a- The U.S. is one of the major superpowers, and we're in this dystopian novel right now where everybody's spying on everybody else.
We have satellites.
I think the U.S. is the least evil of the superpowers by far and the most promising one.
But we should still hold ourselves to the highest standard.
You got to see some of these because it's so like, it's just the combination of evil and mundaness that is just weird, you know, because it's people making these things and people making these policies.
But he's not there because of what he did by leaking all that information.
In fact, that's not really a crime that you could get a guy on.
I mean, it's just, it's not the same kind of crime.
The reason why they've Got him held hostage is because they say that he had secret or surprise sex with a woman, which means he had sex with her while they were wearing a condom.
She agreed to it, and then while they're in bed afterwards, I guess they're both naked and he stuck it in without a condom.
Yeah, you've got to be in your 30s with like 36, isn't it?
To be president, something like that?
Something like that.
It just hurts.
It just hurts.
It just hurts that it's that transparent.
It hurts that we're that bad.
That after all these years of human civilization, all these years since the printing press, all these years since newspapers, all these years since television, now all these years of the internet, it's still that transparent.
I got to tell you, though, like, I've been thinking lately about seeing those images from Ukraine of all these people bloody.
And they went total, like completely off the civilization map, just chaos, burning stuff, brother against brother, like really dark shit over there.
And they threw out their president, I believe.
And he's on the run or something.
But it makes me wonder, like, maybe some of this stuff that we sense as being really oppressive is necessary for society to just hold together.
Like, if we didn't have the occasional situation where the government comes down hard on somebody, that things would just slowly disintegrate and we would get to a place where you walk into FedEx and nobody wants to check you out because there's not enough of this kind of cohesive societal thing.
Well, that's what I'm starting to think is I'm kind of evolving my views on this stuff because I think that government serves as a kind of immune system against shit like what happened in Ukraine and what's happening in parts of South America now where people are just losing it and you can't let that happen.
You just can't, you know, because the results, you don't know where it ends.
And it seems like at least the example with Egypt, it ends in a bad place.
You go from something that really sucks to something that's unimaginably worse and even more oppressive because you can only go from oppression to chaos to more oppression.
It's very rare.
What the United States did with our founding and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, these are very rare things that don't happen all that often.
But it's interesting that we don't realize, we didn't observe and learn from what did we try to escape and what did we pull off in trying to escape.
But what we pulled off is the greatest startup civilization the world has ever known.
I mean, without a doubt, there's never been a time in human history where within 300 years less of a country being formed has become the dominant superpower on earth.
Not just in a Roman sort of a way, not in a Genghis Khan sort of a way, but in a truly global way.
And now, we find out is spying on everybody as well.
Has missiles all over the world, sending drones into places we're not supposed to invade.
So we send flying robots to do our dirty work for us.
I mean, it's the most insane dictatorship or the most insane government, rather, I shouldn't say dictatorship, but it kind of is.
If you look at the rest of the world, they would think us as dictators dominating them.
It's really the, you know, you read about this shit, the Pox Americana and all that stuff.
Like, we've imposed a worldwide peace.
I realize I'm using the word peace, even though there are people dying in certain areas, but it's essentially peace through force, and we've established that.
And I don't want to say that that's all bad because I think it's provided a lot of stability and a lot of innovation for millions of people.
It is kind of funny that we've, in some ways, become what we run from.
It's like that Greek myth where the king is given the prophecy that his son one day will grow up to kill him.
And so he exiles his son to some like distant land.
And in so doing, he eventually assures his own death because they're in a battle or something and the son kills his father, not realizing that it's his father.
And if he had actually just lived in the kingdom for his whole life, he, of course, would not kill his own dad.
But it was that very action of trying to prevent his fate that made it occur.
Oh, I mean, not just droning people, but the latest revelation that we're not just droning people, but we're using metadata to find out where their phones are and sending missiles to where their phones are.
Especially when it's been absolutely shown that al-Qaeda and the Taliban, they switch SIM cards back and forth and move them around all the time so that people can't clock where the phone is connected.
Is it connected to this Al Jazeera guy?
Is it connected to Al-Halawaha?
Who knows?
It's fucking SIM cards floating around.
Who knows who's got what?
But they decide that it's okay to shoot missiles to where the phone is.
I mean, that's some incredibly evil shit.
That's insanely evil.
The idea that it's more important to kill this guy than it is to not kill all the innocent people around him.
I still have trouble believing that they're just killing people on the metadata because I would like to think that there's somebody within these agencies who's like, wait a second, we got to actually have some kind of probable cause here before we end somebody's life.
Yeah, it would be nice to think that, but the issue is that you're dealing with people who are so accustomed to making decisions that cost people millions of lives.
I mean, or, you know, over course of time, millions of lives, thousands of lives, dozens of lives, whatever it is.
The loss of life.
They're so accustomed to making those decisions.
One of the things that came out of the WikiLeaks that was so disturbing was the collateral murder video where they were talking about shooting those missiles into the van and that there were children there.
Wikileaks is another example where if they had just come out on day one and said, okay, this organization has surfaced some shit that is really unacceptable.
We're going to investigate it.
We're going to make sure it doesn't happen again.
Thank you very much.
That would have been the end of it.
This whole thing with Julian Assange and the embassy and WikiLeaks becoming this globally prominent whatever it is, like this alternative media organization, would not have happened at all if the U.S. government on day one had just said, okay, thanks for bringing this stuff to our attention.
But the point I was making is, you know, saying that they wouldn't shoot missiles to where the metadata is because they're worried about innocent civilians and casualties.
Well, you clearly look at that video and you could say, at least in this certain circumstance, there is a very flippant attitude about the loss of collateral lives, collateral damage.
They didn't choose to be led by their little tiny hands into the fucking car seat in a van where you're going to shoot with hellfire missiles because you thought a reporter was an assassin.
You know, I mean, it's all a mistake.
And their attitude is, hey, we shouldn't have brought their kids.
That leads me to believe that there are people out there in the world who are willing to shoot missiles to where the phone is.
It's so weird that with Vietnam, they went through all this stuff, like the slow realization that we're maybe not supposed to be there and that innocent people are being killed and there's no purpose for this.
Like we came To that realization with Vietnam, and it seems like a lot of the same stuff is happening now.
And we're going through the same bullshit where you have to listen to people on TV tell you that you know we got to support the troops, we can't question anything.
We've already been there, like that all happened in the Vietnam War, and then eventually people just fell out of that narrative and they realized it was bullshit.
And now, today, it's still considered something where you can't just say that the wars are complete bullshit.
Well, the best story about all this, or the most ridiculous but yet true, is that both the Vietnam War and the Afghanistan War, a big part of what's going on is they're profiting from illegal drugs.
I mean, it was a big part of what was going on in Vietnam.
It was a big part of the whole golden triangle.
I mean, the amount of money that was moved in heroin during the Vietnam era is documented.
I mean, it's documented that there were soldiers that were involved that were profiting.
What was that movie with Denzel Washington where he played a famous drug dealer that went to China and he had a friend or one of his buddies was a Vietnam soldier.
And it was based on a true story about how he became a big-time drug dealer.
Much like what's going on in Afghanistan now, if you brought it up back then, hey, a big reason, a big motivation for the Vietnam War is a secret drug-running organization.
They'd be like, get out of here, you fucking crackpot.
That's the same thing they say today.
But today it's even more blatant and in your face when Geraldo Rivera is interviewing troops that are guarding poppy fields.
But I think what we were getting at earlier is really important, that the yin and the yang is almost necessary in order for things to get done.
And it seems to be almost a natural part of the universe.
I think this is the greatest time ever to be alive.
I really do.
But I think every time was the greatest time ever to be alive at that time.
You know, just not everywhere.
If you live in Africa right now, if you're in Liberia right now, it fucking sucks.
This is a sucky time to be alive.
You know, if you live in Somalia and you have to be a pirate because all the Europeans have dumped nuclear waste off your shores and killed all the fish, it's a sucky time to be alive.
You're basically living in a Mad Max movie.
You're living in the apocalypse.
You're a bunch of skinny guys on CAT, that fucking, that narcotic that they chew leaves to get.
It's a type of amphetamine that they get from plants, and they chew it.
They get whacked out of their fucking mind, and they get machine guns, and they get in rowboats, and they go take over fucking oil tankers and kidnap people.
And, you know, for them, it's a terrible time to be alive.
But for us, here in Los Angeles, chilling, drinking fucking C2O coconut water, smoking God's greatest weed, sitting here using laptops and on a super powerful internet connection connected to a million people in the world, it's awesome.
And that's part of the reason why I'm so obsessed with all the shit I talk about is that these are really cool tools that we've put out into the world.
And it kind of pains me to see us fucking it up, right?
Like we created the internet and it's truly amazing.
People, I'm going to get this argument a million times now that I've talked about that, which is, well, aren't companies doing that aren't individuals trolling?
And I'm like, it's really different when the government is using your tax dollars that you send them every year and they're using that to psychologically harass you or to harass the journalists that you listen to.
It's really different from some fucking weirdo doing it or some greedy company doing it because they want to just protect their little domain.
But those companies that do do it, they're fully shitty as well.
You should avoid them.
They're shitty.
If you're saying negative things about the competition and you're making them up and you're trolling and you're trying to kill their business, you're a shithead.
I mean, that's reality.
You know, there's a thing that's been going on with us, with one of the guys that we've had on the podcast several times, a guy named Dave Asprey, who I don't hate.
I like the guy.
I think he's a good guy.
I think he's flawed like a lot of human beings.
I'm flawed as well.
But he's exaggerated and said some things on the show that have turned out to bite us in the ass.
And I sort of started investigating it because he started making claims about my friend Tate's business.
Tate and him were going to go into business together.
For whatever reason, they had a falling out.
So Tate decided to start selling his own coffee.
Dave Asprey sells a bunch of things.
He sells good products.
He sells good coffee, a bunch of other different health and nutrition products.
Nothing wrong with what he's selling.
But he starts shitting on Tate's stuff.
He called it inferior quality without any testing whatsoever.
And then he also called it a knockoff.
He was talking about his MCT oil that he sells.
Well, here's a problem with that.
Several problems.
One problem being that Dave Asprey doesn't make MCT oil.
He buys it.
There's a company that they buy and they sell it to a bunch of different companies.
My friend Larry used to be in the nutrition business, and he owned a company called Nature's Purist, very good company.
And he told me exactly how it all works.
And he told me how he buys from the same suppliers that all these other people buy from.
Like there's only a limited amount of suppliers that make vitamin D, that make MCT oil, that make all these different things.
You buy it from them, you try to buy it from the most reputable supplier, and then you package it yourself and label it yourself.
That's what Dave does.
And that's what Tate did too.
And so Dave is calling Tate's stuff inferior without any testing whatsoever.
That's a propensity for bullshitting.
And so I saw that and I was like, what the fuck is that, man?
You can't do that.
You can't just say that because I know where you get your shit.
I know the company that makes your stuff.
So you can't just say that his stuff is inferior.
You don't know where he buys it.
You don't know what testing he's done.
You don't know.
In fact, Tate even went out of the way to make his MCTO to try to improve what he thought Dave was doing by selling it in glass bottles because he felt like plastic can leach.
It can leach chemicals if it's in the heat.
It's very conscientious the way he did it.
What was not so conscientious was that he kind of copied Dave's business model.
He copied Dave's claims about mycotoxins and all these different things.
So then he goes and tests Dave's coffee and then tests his coffee as well.
Well, Dave's coffee turns out to test positive for mycotoxins.
Under threshold, below threshold of two different mycotoxins, which means you're not going to affect you.
It's not going to physically affect you.
But his whole claim to fame was that there's a real issue with mycotoxins in coffee.
He's developed a process that eliminates them.
Every other coffee could be tainted.
That was his number one thing.
It's like classic government shit.
Create a problem and then offer a solution.
So I, you know, parrot his words, not doing any research, you know, and having him on the podcast.
He's a very smart guy, very knowledgeable, it seems.
So we repeat his words about mycotoxins and coffee.
So Tate, when he does this test and finds out that Dave's stuff actually has mycotoxins and Tate's, which has gone through none of this super secret process, he's just done the standard wet processing that all high-level single-source coffee companies do.
Tate, you know, he goes, well, what the fuck, man?
You know, this guy's shit has some mycotoxins.
Mine doesn't.
Like, what exactly is going on here?
So we sell his coffee at Onit.
We sell the bulletproof coffee at Onit or upgraded coffee, Asprey's coffee.
So we decide to test that and Tate's and Starbucks and some random coffee from Whole Foods.
You guys said a bunch of other shit about it, like it causes coffee to be bitter.
That's not the case.
That's not true.
So the point is, this all started, his whole downfall started because he was making false claims to try to eliminate competition.
He was doing exactly what we're saying companies shouldn't do.
Shouldn't shit on someone to eliminate competition.
Now, if Aspy came out and said, hey, you know, I think it's kind of fucked up that Tate is basically copying my claims about mycotoxins, which, by the way, aren't true, then he would have a point.
But he would say, hey, Tate's copying my lies.
You know, I mean, that's basically what he would have to say.
Because other than that, this is not really the case.
Other than that, it's just the coffee equivalent of a root beer float, which is coffee with butter and MCT oil.
Which then it turns out that wasn't even Asprey's idea.
It was a guy named Rob Wolf, another guy we've had on the podcast, one of the paleo gurus.
He wrote about it in 2004.
So it wasn't Asprey's idea.
This idea had been out there.
He collects these ideas.
And that's one of the things that Rhonda Patrick, who was on last week, who's a PhD, she said that Asprey put some shit on his website from her scientific research with vitamin D and didn't accredit her.
So there's a lot of that going on, man.
A lot of people discrediting people, saying shitty things about people.
It all comes back to get them.
It all comes back.
Because if you're saying false claims about someone like that, if you're just randomly deciding that someone's stuff is shit, well, then they get to test your stuff too, man.
And if it turns out that your whole process is bullshit, that all this unnecessary nonsense or voodoo you're doing to your process to make sure that your stuff is better than everybody else's doesn't actually work, isn't actually real, and the problem doesn't actually exist.
They created this issue that doesn't seem to exist.
But why did it all come out to light?
Well, it all came to light because there was unfair claims about someone that he thought was a competitor.
I mean, and that cunty shit that the government is encouraging their employees to do to discredit people is what discredits the government when something like that gets out.
That's like the perfect way of expressing what I was trying to get at earlier, this idea of you're the fucking government and you're the U.S. president.
You can't lower yourself to this level where you're competing with Snowden with a back and forth.
It should be, we fucked up.
We're the government.
We're going to correct it.
Everybody would honor that.
The same with WikiLeaks, the same with Guantanamo Bay.
We went overboard with some interrogation stuff.
We detained some people against their basic rights.
We did this because we were panicked and we didn't want another 9-11.
And now we'll take steps to correct it.
And that's not what they're saying.
That's not what they're doing.
And that's really, I think, all anybody wants is to hear that kind of rhetoric from here on out, which is we recognize there's a problem.
Obama, as many positive things that I can say about Obama as I grow to just learn more about the world and realize that he's not this evil dictator that InfoWars makes him out to be.
It's a more complex picture.
With that said, he still has not come out and said, it's clear at this point that the NSA has done some stuff that is not within the bounds of our laws and we'll fix that.
And that's all he'd have to do and it'd be case closed for the world.
I think you're always gonna have this If I honestly believed that Obama was fixing the problem in a meaningful way, I'd be okay with it because I'm very busy and I don't want to nitpick.
While I'd rather see us move forward as a country and not continue to There are some really big innovations ahead of us.
I think we might go into a big economic boom in the next few years.
The Bitcoin thing, even if Bitcoin goes away, something very similar to it is going to take off.
And these are exciting things.
We're on the verge of another big tech boom like we were in the 90s.
We shouldn't get bogged down with all this petty bickering and all this hateful stuff and red versus petty at all.
But I think that what's going on, whether we're talking about the coffee thing or whether we're talking about the government thing or talk about virtually anything, is you can't expect to get away with business as usual because there's too much that gets exposed now because of the internet.
I think that when you do evil shit and other people are aware of that evil shit and they can find out about that evil shit and put it online, you know, you got to expect that you can't keep these NSA workers silent because a lot of them are actual patriots.
They might have gotten a job a long time ago out of college working for the NSA, but they didn't do it because they wanted to be a bad guy.
They didn't do it because they wanted to spy on their neighbor because their neighbor might just think that the United States should get the fuck out of Afghanistan.
That's not why they did it.
They did it because they wanted to keep people safe.
There's a lot of people like that out there.
So they find themselves a part of this genuinely dangerous organization that is genuinely violating constitutional rights.
And what do they do?
They take chances.
They take chances.
What about that William Binney guy, that guy that was the first whistleblower way, way, way back in the day?
And I was watching this video where he was like, people aren't really prepared to hear the truth about Obama, which is that he's kind of like a principal for this school known as the United States.
He's just trying to hold shit together.
And people don't want him to go up on the podium and say, look, you want more jobs?
You've got to create some innovation because things are stagnant.
Like, you've got to go out there and do it.
I can't just create things out of thin air.
And it's the same with national security stuff.
He can't fix everything.
The people need to demand protections of their privacies.
It's not all on him.
It has to be on the people.
And I think that we, for the most part, not you and I, not Redband, not most of the listeners, but been fucking lazy as a country.
We've been focused on other stuff.
And now it's kind of coming back to bite us in the ass.
And we have to decide, like, what's important to us?
How far are we willing to trade off our basic rights in exchange for the guarantee of no more 9-11s?
And what should we concentrate on when we're trying to prevent another 9-11?
What should we concentrate on?
Should we concentrate on spying on Americans?
Or should we concentrate on a non-interventionist interventional foreign policy that doesn't cause people to get so fucking pissed off at us that they want to kill us?
Should we concentrate on not shooting drones into apartment buildings because they have a fucking cell phone that we want to find the user of?
Granted, I know absolutely nothing about this case, but just from what little I know, it seems like that's not something that would have happened.
If he had remained 100% above board, that whole investigation that was set off by the FBI would have never happened because it was that woman in Tampa, the socialite or whatever, who triggered the whole fucking unraveling thing.
And once you unleash those kinds of forces, I think they just keep digging until they find something.
Just go back to like the Conan the Barbarian books or watch a Conan movie.
What did Conan do?
He slayed and he fucked.
That's what warriors do.
They slay and they fuck.
So we want these neutered warriors.
We want these warriors that don't fuck.
We want these people that are over there just shooting the heads off of people from a distance, watch their heads explode, and they don't get any pussy.
They're stopping life on a regular basis, doing what there's laws against, what the Bible tells you you can't do, but the Bible, you don't have to worry about the Bible because you got a free pass from Uncle Sam.
We've talked to God, and God says it's okay to kill these folks.
As long as, well, what if we went into Iraq on a false premise?
God will forgive you.
I know you kill all those people for no reason, but hey, you didn't know any better, so it's all good.
Well, then who's to blame?
No one's to blame because the government is essentially like a gigantic corporation that doesn't have a real sort of like one person that you could pin it to.
There's like a lot of people and whatever, whatever.
Don't worry about it, dude.
I mean, that's essentially what's going on.
So that one guy who's the best, General Petraeus, he's the guy.
There's the guy that whenever they went to the news and there was some Afghanistan thing, they went to General Petraeus.
He can't get some pussy.
Really?
You're going to hate him because, look, his marriage vows aside, of course his wife should be upset if she didn't know.
Of course, you know, if he lied about it, that's kind of something to take into consideration when you factor in his character.
Take it into consideration lightly when you really stop and think about how many warriors in the past have had harems and Genghis Khan fucked like every living human being in the year 1220.
I mean, what are we pretending?
What are we pretending these warriors are?
Are we pretending that they're, you know, some strange Barbie doll, Ken, G.I. Joe, you know, organless thing that just fights for God, glory, and country and doesn't have physical desires?
I was a while ago, I had this guy, David Brin, on my podcast, and he was talking about how police and militaries and stuff have only been professional for like the last 120 years or something.
Before that, they were just pretty much the enforcers for whoever owned the land.
So if you were the feudal lord, you would have your own police force who would basically collect taxes and beat peasants and stuff.
We've only expected police and soldiers to be professional for the past hundred years.
So they're still kind of catching up because these are very old structures and you're using violence.
So it's hard to, how do you mix?
It's always kind of boggled my mind that cops will go from a fatal, like some kind of fatal confrontation where they have to take somebody down to 15 minutes later, they're at Starbucks getting another coffee.
And I think it may very well be that a lot of them are taking antidepressants.
I know antidepressants in the military are incredibly common.
It's one of the most prescribed medications for people that come back, they have PTSD, people who have issues.
Antidepressants, well, you know, let's Google that because I read an article recently about antidepressants in the military.
And I don't remember the exact statistics, but it was in the military.
It was pretty disturbing, but it makes sense because they allow you to rationalize things in a way that you're not going to if you're not on that stuff.
Yeah, man.
Antidepressants in the military.
Yeah, there's a lot.
There's a lot, man.
Military prescribes antidepressants to growing army of soldiers.
Okay, military says that 12% of its combat personnel in Iraq and 17% serving in Afghanistan are taking prescription antidepressants.
If they found out there's money in it, look, that's the beautiful thing about being a corporation.
You have to maximize your profits every year.
Corporations just can't stay, hey, we made X amount of money last year and we made the same this year.
So we're doing really good, guys.
No.
No, you have to continue to grow.
They want that infinite growth paradigm that Peter Joseph always goes on and on about in his Zeitgeist documentaries.
I mean, that's one of the most ridiculous aspects of corporations.
One of the most ridiculous aspects of the economy is the infinite growth idea.
The idea that you can just continue to get bigger and bigger every year until what?
You have all the money on the planet?
Because that's where it goes.
If every fucking corporation actually continued to grow and stayed alive for, you know, 150, 350, 1,000 years, whatever it takes, they should all have all the money in the world.
So if, you know, you got to think that if the pharmaceutical companies were making untold millions of dollars in having 12% of the soldiers in Iraq and 17% in Afghanistan in 2008, I mean, that was six years ago.
So what is that now?
You know, it's probably pretty fucking crazy.
Let's see.
Any precedents in the military in 2014?
Let's try that.
2000.
2014.
Let's see what it says.
Meanwhile, by the way, I'm just reading random blogs with a very quick and cursory Google search with no vetting out whatsoever.
So they might be all full of shit.
But look, we don't even have to look into it.
Whatever the numbers are, those are all abstract anyway.
We know that it's people.
People are definitely on it.
And that's kind of crazy that you take people and you put them in this terrible situation.
You yank them out of their lives and you send them over to these.
Now they've got to kill people and then they come home and their wife is sleeping with somebody else or their girlfriend has left them and then they have the PTSD crack down and can't deal with wife anymore.
And I think that it's not just America, it's the world.
And I think the idea of a country like America, I think ultimately the goal would be to have the whole world up to the same standard that we hold ourselves to and have a global community of people that are essentially, you've got to have the same rights everywhere you go.
And there's no oppressive North Korean regimes.
There's no places like Syria that still hold dictators.
Nobody wants to take the loss on it because it's going to be messy, and it's going to take time and money and probably going to lose some – That's our ally, and it's a real issue because it's right there.
But I don't think as a modern society, we can see all this shit on the internet.
We can't just let them continue to kill people.
I think the other month, his girlfriend, he just wiped out all of her family or friends or some shit over some non-existent slight.
And he executed his uncle, who was thinking about establishing a coup.
And then he executed all of his uncle's family.
He executed his uncle's sons, who were innocent, and they were 20 years old, but he knew that they would come back to get him one day, so he executed them.
I would be concerned with military operations because it's so close to South Korea, and I think they've publicly stated that they would launch nukes at South Korea if they were ever invaded.
I don't know what our real capabilities are, and I probably shouldn't know since I'm not in the military.
I would love to be able to trust them wholeheartedly.
I would love to.
I would love to be able to step back and say, hey, if they're invading a country, it's because that country is filled with fucking assholes, and those assholes are going to kill innocent people worldwide.
I would love that.
I really would love that.
And I'm not an anti-military guy.
I'm a realist.
I'm a realist when it comes to human nature, and I'm a realist when it comes to human history.
If you look at the world, there's never been a time of peace ever in the entire world ever.
From the time that we were shat out of the first monkey mama till, you know, fighting over a fucking deer leg or whatever the hell we were fighting over back then to today, there's never been one day on earth where no one died.
There's never been one day on earth where no one dropped a rock on someone's head from the top of a cliff.
There's never been one day on earth where people didn't fight to the death.
It's always happened.
It's always been a part of what we are.
And like the yin and the yang that we were discussing earlier, that sort of exists as a natural part of just life in the universe.
There's this push and pull.
There's this, this tie goes in, the tie goes out, Bill O'Reilly.
And there's something also to something that I harp on quite often, but I think it's an important point.
We like to look at all the different sort of areas of the world where there's what we call natural phenomenon or natural examples of strange behavior or observed behavior or natural cycles, whether it's weather patterns or whether it's, you know, whatever it is.
We look at all these things as being very natural, except for ourselves.
For whatever reason, when it comes to human beings, we decide that because we're sentient, because we have, you know, the ability to rationalize and think and communicate, we don't think what we do is natural.
What we think what we do is just some, well, you know, as a society, we have to be civilized and think things through.
And that might all be natural.
What we might be seeing with humanity is a really complicated version of what goes on in an anthill.
What we might be seeing is just some really natural behavior that's just on some next level fractal shit.
It's just so uber complicated because there's so many of us and you're dealing in, you're factoring in information as well as the instincts to breed, the instincts to dominate and have food and resources.
On top of all those other things, you're also dealing with communication.
You're dealing with the ability to exchange information and also the ability to enhance yourself with that exchanged information and alter perspectives.
A wolf stays a wolf its whole life.
You give a douchebag some mushrooms.
He becomes a really introspective person, at least for a few hours.
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people that change because of experiences and information and just life giving them something that forces them to examine the box that they put the world in.
Life gives them something that they've sort of been forced to sort of get a new perspective.
That doesn't happen in the animal world.
And that's why you have to add in and factor in all these variables and look at human beings and say, it seems natural.
What we're doing seems natural.
And I think that along with, you know, bears, male bears eating the young cubs to force the female to keep breeding.
I mean, all that stuff is natural too.
It just, it's disgusting and horrible to watch, but it's all natural.
Just talking to people like yourself, just having conversations with people and hashing things out and then seeing the reactions to these conversations that people have online where they join in.
They start discussing things on Twitter, discussing things on Facebook.
I've seen people, you know, have conversations in person about things that have happened on the podcast.
Well, hey, you know, I found out about this and then I started researching into this and then I changed my diet because of that and then this and that and this and that.
It's one of the reasons why misinformation like the Aspre thing is so frustrating and it really pisses me off because it's in the wrong spirit of this thing.
It's in the wrong spirit of what we're trying to do.
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We'll see you guys tomorrow.
And if you're in La Jolla, make sure you catch the big Death Squad show this weekend at the Comedy Store.
Like I said, it's one of the coolest venues in the country.
It's a dope old school club that's been around.
Kennison used to perform there, man.
It's fucking place has been around forever.
All right, we love the fuck out of you, and we'll see you soon.
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Anything else, David?
Anything, the last message?
If it's the last moment on earth, you have to say something, and it's going to be encapsulated and spread to future generations so they won't make the same mistake.