Roseanne Barr—living on Hawaii’s Big Island, once Dole’s GMO lab—defends Terrence McKenna’s stoned ape theory while mocking corporate exploitation like Monsanto’s alleged legal manipulation and Jack Abramoff’s $30B fraud. She ties systemic greed to poverty crimes, Wall Street’s "sociopathic" elite, and post-9/11 betrayals, citing Tower 7’s suspicious collapse and Bush’s Iraq War lies. Barr dismisses chemtrails but suspects Saudi-backed orchestration, comparing it to Kennedy’s assassination cover-ups and Ford’s unelected presidency. Fame’s chaos, from paparazzi goons to GMO surgeries, contrasts with her belief that corrupt systems thrive on short-term relief over long-term justice, urging younger generations to demand radical transparency and accountability through collective intelligence. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, you are more at peace there, I think, because everyone sort of knows it's isolated and you also know that you really are on a volcano, this beautiful, natural volcano.
Well, I went there because they got a goddess named Pele, and that's like one of the last places on Earth where there's like, you know, a goddess that is active in people's minds and also active inside a volcano that might erupt at any time, which is, you know...
What happens, you know, it's very Sufist, you know what I mean?
Because it's like somewhere there is that which is thought before it occurs, you know what I mean?
And I really feel that there, that you get your thinking all lined up right, and it's like you're connected to the earth there.
Like me trying to get my nuts out there, Joe, that's been the fucking mind-blower.
It's spooky and it's interesting at the same time because the implications of genetically modifying plants are huge.
They're very profound.
And they shouldn't just affect the people that are creating them and putting them out there.
They're really worldwide questions.
And when you have people that are just getting away with doing genetic modifications on plants, not really sure of the long-term ramifications to the environment, to bees, there's a host of different things that are affected by these things.
Well, they were trying to pass a law or to get rid of a law, which took a lot of work getting there to make law, which was to, you know, that the people did not want the GMO studies to continue on the island.
And, you know, so it's like you got to vote yes, but it really means no.
And I mean, it was like layer after layer of ridiculousness to protect public health.
So I just started studying it and I realized that they kept on doing that fake science thing that they do.
But it's like, hey, science lasts more than 90 days.
I think we've definitely fucked a lot of things up, and there's definitely a lot of hubris going on, and there's a lot of scary shit going on, like Fukushima.
Fukushima's bad, and they just had a new study showing that a lot of radiation started to reach San Francisco.
You know, they've found a 3% increase in some of the tuna, the radiation in tuna.
It's time for Monsatan to become of use to the human race.
That's just my opinion.
They've got to come up with some...
If they're going to do genetic studies, okay, get rid of that.
Get rid of that one.
Mm-hmm.
Come up with some kind of an implant for people's teeth or brain that blocks that horrendous lemming fucking impulse.
Do fucking humanity a favor and figure out how we're supposed to get rid of that shit that we keep going along with what's killing us because we're too fucking confused to know what in the fuck is really real.
Isn't it just that there's just too much to be paying attention to?
People have their own lives, they have their own problems, their own bills, their own family, and then try paying attention to global issues like genetically modified foods and farmers suing all across the world.
The farmers in Brazil recently won billions of dollars from Monsanto.
Farmers in India commit suicide on an almost daily basis.
I mean, they have farmers in India that are committing suicide left and right because of the debt that they get into with these crazy deals.
See, on the other hand, I think the idea of genetically modifying food in order to help people eat more nutritious food, like golden rice, there's been a bunch of innovation as far as...
I think there's a lot of beauty in the science behind it, but I think we've got to be really, really, really fucking careful when you're playing around with nature, too.
The real problem is the idea of a corporation itself, where you value the bottom line, the numbers, over the humans that work there, over the humans you affect with your work.
And because you can do it like that, because you can send drones to a place and shoot missiles out of the sky, because you can just sort of just choose to fuck over some country that you never have to visit and take away a lot of their natural resources and make them, force them into using your product because you have deals with politicians and kings and monarchs force them into using your product because you have deals with Kings and monarchs there.
You know, just because you could do that doesn't mean that's the way you're supposed to be living your life.
You have one life here, and you could choose to be an evil fuck, or you could choose to be a good person.
They could actually make stuff, all that technology, everything that it took to create the actual...
The science of increasing food for people and desalinization of water and all these things that are so possible for just a few greedy fucks and their trons.
I've always said that if you could just take the amount of money that the United States gave to Halliburton to rebuild Iraq after we destroyed it and put that money in the inner cities in America and not have the war, not destroy anything in the first place, the amount of positive work that could have been done and the same amount of contracts could have been dealt out.
There's not enough thems that would agree with that because they would turn against each other.
It's not like there's a cabal of three dudes that have ultimate power.
There's thousands and thousands of people that are making decisions whether or not this gets censored or that gets censored.
And they're in cahoots against each other.
That's a problem...
The FBI and the CIA, the reason why Petraeus got kicked, removed from office, is the CIA was being spied on by the fucking FBI. Well, that's what NSA... They can't even...
I think that, especially if people started eating it, they started eating it and getting the self-objective, self-analytical experience, really intense experiences, people would be a lot less prone to continue a lot of their shitty behavior.
That was McKenna's theory of evolution in the first place.
Yeah, it was all about psilocybin mushrooms in the rainforests of Africa, how the rainforests had receded into grasslands.
And all this is proved by, you know, climatological studies, core samples and stuff like that.
The time has been debated, but essentially what happened was the rainforest receded, monkeys came down from the trees and started experimenting with different food sources, and one of them was the mushrooms growing on cow patties.
We started eating psilocybin mushrooms and started having these intense ideas.
I mean, it only makes sense.
If we get intense ideas from them and we have an advanced brain and a monkey gets intense experiences from them, they obviously have intelligent brains.
I mean, we've seen chimps do a lot of really crazy creative things.
We know that they act in packs.
We know that they hunt in packs.
We're talking about like lower hominids getting a dose of psilocybin mushrooms on a daily basis.
Of course it's going to have a crazy effect on their evolution.
Of course.
That's a big factor.
It's a big factor in terms of thinking.
And I completely agree with you.
That and hemp and all these different things, if they were made available, I think we are lacking in self-analysis.
And we are lacking as a society in our feeling of being responsible for the actions of the group.
And those are two things that you feel when you're on psychedelics.
It's like if you're gonna go to the rainforest and chop down these people's sacred trees and villages and, you know, force them to work in factories instead.
If they're willing to do it, then we're gonna get them to do it because we want those trees.
We want that oil and whatever the fuck else is there that we can make medicine out of.
I mean, what they're doing is just stealing resources.
And we're letting them.
We're letting them say, oh, this stuff, yeah, they don't live here.
So what?
These people have been there for thousands of years.
You can't stop people from having the ability to live a natural life.
Just because you have guns, just because you have tanks, that's stealing.
And we're going to just let people steal shit.
If these people were there in the middle of the Amazon, that's their fucking home.
That's their home.
You have to be able to take into context their culture, this culture of hunting and gathering.
They're living in these cultures the same way they've been living in some places, like in the Congo and in the Amazon.
Thousands of years have been untouched.
You can't do anything about that.
You've got to leave that alone.
You know, you have to because just as far as like for the sake of our understanding of ourselves, having people like that with these ancient, ancient, untouched cultures is so important.
It's so fascinating.
We can learn so much about the origins of certain behaviors, about group thinking when you're in small tribes that count on each other, about how they dealt with injuries and medicine.
I mean, these are fascinating, fascinating discoveries to be had.
And instead, people just want money.
They just want to be able to chop the trees down, fuck these weird people, take their shit and throw them in a cage or throw them in a camp.
Unless, you know, unless human beings with brains, you know, get it under control as a tool of people and not its master, it'll continue to go that way because it requires that.
It requires gluttonous quarterly support.
Growth, and there's nothing left but investing in people dying fast.
Because, okay, I accept that they're greedy fucking pigs.
And I just think, why can't they make that work for them and everyone else?
Why can't they be a greedy fucking pig?
Because they're going to get like 10 times the fucking payoff.
They will get even richer if they'll just listen to me.
Make all the bets because like Wall Street and all that shit, that's just going to the casino.
Make all the bets about how fast you can turn a place green and sustainable and how fast could that happen, a village?
How fast could that happen?
They could, like, use the same fucking ridiculous infrastructure that already exists to, like, make things better for everybody and could get the food to the hungry people because there's—really, that's all it is, is the roads that get the food to the hungry people.
That's 90% of everybody who's dying is dying because of waste and stupidity.
Now, if they fix that, they're going to get 10 times fucking richer.
They see all avenues as being a way to make money, even avenues that hurt people as long as they profit.
That's the real problem.
They're lacking in humanity, and that's why when you talk about pot being what could fix everything or psychedelics being what could fix things, that's the only thing that's going to bring humanity to a giant group that thinks that it's okay.
To be completely diffused of responsibilities because you're a part of some gigantic machine that apparently no one can control now.
So if you're a giant machine like Monsanto that's been fucking over farmers for 100,000 years or however long they've been around for, to stop that, to stop that whole thing, you're going to have to get the whole team high on mushrooms.
Well, I tried to look for a school to put for my kid because, you know, my kid, he's 18 now, but he was little and he needed to go to a school that had focus because I don't have any focus so I wasn't able to teach him how to focus or else he was born that way or some shit.
I don't know, but just the fact that this exists, just the fact that this life that we live in, where we can communicate with our mouth, where we can see with our eyes, where we walk around and drive around and fly in planes, this life is so fucking insane and so crazy and bizarre and fantastic.
Just the idea that this existence exists, where we shut off every night for eight hours and completely vanish from the reality that we live in, and then we do it willingly, and then we come back in the morning and we start all over again.
That alone is fucking fantastic and bizarre and strange.
I'm not convinced that this whole thing isn't just one series of wake-ups and goes to sleep and wakes up and while you're conscious and while you're alive.
I'm not convinced that you're in the same timeline that you were on before.
Mostly 50. Or it could be your grandparents, too, 25. But it has to be pretty 50-50.
Like in Hawaii, one thing I think is so cool is that they do have a lot of affordable housing for the First Nations people there, you know, the Hawaiian people.
And they get their, like, guarantee of school.
And, like, they got, you know, Hawaii, the Big Island, Hawaii, is a fantastic socialist state.
And, you know, I think that it's just going to make the big turnaround real quick because China just said no GMOs, so we kicked their ass out.
So now I think we're going to, like, have a boom, but we do need some of that technology because I think we want to grow organic seeds with help.
We don't want to reinvent the organic seed.
We want to grow organics with technology.
So it's an incredible new time of mixing the best of everything.
So what you're talking about is not genetically modifying the foods, but using technology to more efficiently till the soil, more efficiently irrigate the crops, more efficiently put nutrients into the ground, things along those lines, right?
Well, not only that, the stuff that we know the cause and effect of, we know it's healthy, we know it's a part of the ecosystem, we know that there's just a rich biodiversity when it comes to any place where something's growing.
There's bugs involved and rodents involved and bees.
There's a lot of things involved.
It's not just the plant itself.
when you alter the plant, the real issue seems to be that you alter a lot of other shit too.
And then, of course, I don't know how much of this is true or not, but the idea of cross-pollinization and people being sued because they have genetically modified foods growing in their farms because of inadvertent cross-pollinization.
Are you saying Chemtrails, the aluminum barium shit?
You know, I did a whole sci-fi special on that, a sci-fi channel, a whole episode dedicated to Chemtrails, and the more I paid attention to it, the more I think that people are very confused as to what's going on.
The government, I guarantee without a doubt, has sprayed things on people.
They've proven it.
They've proven it.
They did it.
I believe it was Detroit that was a recent thing they talked about doing it in the 1950s.
They did tests to see what would happen if the Communists came over here and did some sort of a nuclear attack on the population or a poisonous gas attack.
I mean, they sprayed particles so they could track them.
They don't know what the fuck that's going to do to people.
They've done experiments on the weather.
They figured out how to cloud seeding by just doing it.
I mean, they knew the science behind it, but it's not like they had a vote on the entire world and asked people, hey, can we seed clouds?
Or what do you guys think?
You know, no, fuck it.
They just did it.
The government has done things along those lines for a long time.
Yeah, we talked about that as well on the sci-fi show, but here's the problem.
There's science behind those trails.
You can track when it's going to happen and when it's not going to happen.
It's all based on the humidity in the atmosphere.
It's what it's all based on.
When you have a jet engine and it burns jet fuel and it's going through the atmosphere, it's creating moisture.
And in conditions where it's almost cloud-like, like very hazy, when a jet engine pass through this change of atmosphere and adding moisture creates a cloud.
So when you see those patterns and people go, oh, they're spraying us.
No, they're actually creating a cloud with the natural effect of a jet engine passing through a certain amount of humidity.
That's why you see them in some days, but other days you don't see them.
Well, they do know that there's something out way, way out far past Jupiter and past Pluto.
And they think that it's bigger actually than Jupiter.
They think it might be actually four times the size of Jupiter at least.
So they think it might be a brown star, a star that's died out.
And they think that this solar system we're in might actually be a binary solar system.
So it's a brown dwarf star.
And apparently there's as many binary star systems as there are with a single star.
There's a lot of them.
It's like super common.
And if that's the case, that makes sense for a lot of things, including Pluto, because Pluto is a small...
It's not really a planet.
Like, that's why they stopped having it be a planet anymore.
They realized it's a part of the Kuiper belt.
Which is this huge belt of objects way out of the edge of the solar system.
But there's a thing called the galactic shelf.
There's this big drop-off afterwards, which would indicate there's something absolutely massive just outside of it.
This is all butchered science, by the way.
I'm not a scientist, obviously.
So they think if there is a planet out there, a something out there that these people are trying to describe, then more likely it's like a brown dwarf star.
The real problem with the alien thing is that everyone you talk to that says they've met aliens or they know aliens are real, they're almost all fucked up.
It's just that they haven't figured out a way to make it so profitable that it's more profitable than destroying the environment and stealing people's resources and leaving behind horrible pollution.
Because that's profitable, that's the way they're doing it.
The real problem is that corporations are allowed to act like this.
What I was saying that you reacted to was that they need to figure out how to still remain human.
And that the problem is when you have a corporation, you have this big giant group of people that's allowed to act And make money without any consideration.
But government is the thing that keeps that shit in check.
Government is the only power that people have.
Government is the way.
There's no law saying it has to be a bunch of corrupt fucking people that are for sale and whores and shit.
That ain't the law.
It could actually be people who understood what being a true representative of the American people means.
I think we should start a America.
Here's my solution because I like to think of solutions rather than just yap about problems like the left and the right because they're fucking idiots who can't invent anything.
But, you know, I think we could fix everything in a real big fat fucking hurry.
We could fix the economic system if we wanted to.
Well, we just put fucking regulations on it.
All the things that existed, you know, before Reagan took them away and sold us down the fucking river.
And the guy who created, I should give him some credit right now, Charles H. Ferguson.
And he's awesome.
It was a really fantastic job he did.
It was just a brilliant and insightful view on how these problems occur, who profits, how these people that start out as...
People who are the educators who are recommending, the economic professors that are recommending certain standards, and then those standards get passed, and these guys wind up getting giant jobs with the very banks that profited from them changing the regulations.
And, you know, they made laws that made it possible for them to do that.
But what was so incredible about it is that it seems that, and this is why I ran for president, because it was like, when are they going to put an American person, like a working American person, In a seat at those tables where money is apportioned, will that ever happen?
So I think we should start a, I think that should be the name of our corporation of Americans, Inc., and that we should apply for, you know, privatized contracts like everybody else is doing.
being, you know, there's a friend of mine that's starting a business, more of an avenue rather, for people to fund politicians the way corporations have been funding politicians.
And to encourage politicians that are responsible and ethical.
And that you could profit from that just as much as you could profit from having worked for some evil corporation.
And that if you got like sort of almost like a Kickstarter type thing to represent like a really strong ethical politician.
But if it's all transparent, the idea being if they're not representing a corporation that's going to profit, instead they're representing people that want morality and ethics.
But I don't think it would be their system anymore.
It would be our system if it was done correctly.
What I'm saying is that our system would be different than the system right now because there wouldn't be a need for profit.
So the need for profit exists now where you get the politicians, take the money from the corporations, the corporations give them money because they want profit.
This would be people giving them money because they want ethics and morality and a healthy society.
So I think so much money comes from taxpayers as it is to have that be an option instead, to have people donate, people that really care about it donate a certain amount.
If everybody donates a little, it would be a staggering amount of money out of 300 million people.
In almost every community where kids can go, where they're protected, where they can learn things, where they can learn sports and skills and games and places where we can educate inside of communities.
I think that we should be just like a gas station.
It should be a normal part of every sort of community.
Any sort of city or town, and it should be funded.
It should be funded by the government because it's there to improve kids and it's there to improve people.
But education?
Free as fuck across the board.
Straight through the university, all the way to the end.
Well, all these kids that are getting out now, they're in a big old financial hole.
You know, they're in a hole, and what it means is, I mean, this is just part of the scam, and all that was, like, because their parents signed, you know, their houses away for the education, then they come and take the house.
Well, yeah, but until you see him, like my boyfriend always says, whenever we see a, you know, when we're here in California, we always see a rich old fucker and his, you know, stripper wife and Johnny always says, that is proof that our currency is sound.
Oh, I'm 100% in agreement with you, but I think that the consequences of their actions are just something they're like, ah, I'll deal with that eventually.
I don't think they're like engineering this idea of infinite growth.
I think what people are doing is just doing what people have always done.
Acting without that much concern for the consequences because they don't have to deal with the consequences right now.
It's like when you get up in the morning and you look at there's a cake from last night that looks oh so delicious and it's right next to all your fresh vegetables that you were thinking about making a hemp protein shake with.
I eat a lot of time to go for that cake.
You know why?
Because fuck it.
It's right there.
You know, I know it's bad for you.
I know it's sugar.
I know I'm going to feel like shit later, but right now I'm going to feel good.
I'm going to feel good when I eat that red velvet.
Oh, yummy, yummy, yummy.
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And I think that's what these crazy fucks are doing.
You can take the battery out, so you can shut it off.
Not saying that the government is really listening to you, but the idea that that's possible that anybody could just turn your microphone on at any time, or turn your camera on at any time, to me sounds ridiculous.
But we know that the NSA has that capability.
If you have an Android phone, you just take the battery out.
But, you know, we have enough fact and data now that we can make informed decisions.
We have enough stuff to make informed intelligent decisions that work for everyone, not just the few at the expense of the many, but for everyone.
And, you know, that...
I feel like, hey, you know, yeah, we're on our way out and everything's fucked up and dying and over.
But I think it's our karma to fucking do it right this time.
Because, you know, helping each other and such, you know, trying to take a step back from needing so much and being more into sharing and new thoughts, new solutions, solution-based thinking and stuff.
I think this is a great time for that and we're really evolving into that.
Well, I think that, you know, I do think it's over for humans, for human life.
I do.
But I think that when people get that in their head, it's going to make them really mutate quickly and go, oh my God, I better get right with my maker and actually start fucking doing some of the shit that I know is, you know, the right thing to do just because I'm a human being.
What's also, I think there's a lot of these people that are involved in both sides, whether it's the conservative movement for sure, or the really progressive movement, that are really just assholes that want to get heard.
I mean, Occupy Wall Street, they said at one point in time they think that one out of three people in Occupy Wall Street was really like FBI. They're really like some undercover agents.
They infiltrate.
And doesn't that happen with everything?
It happened with the Tea Party as well.
The people that thought that the Tea Party was like, look, we're going to...
Demand a responsible government and a government that follows the Constitution.
Then all of a sudden these crazy fucks got involved in racism and nuttiness.
What better way to defuse a movement than to marginalize them by making them look ridiculous?
Well, with this guy that I was talking to, I don't think it was that.
I think he was just following the ideology.
You're always supposed to support a woman's right to choose, and you're always supposed to marginalize anything that would point to the idea of abortion being a bad thing.
And I'm saying they're not mutually exclusive.
I think a woman should be able to do whatever she wants to do with her body.
I can't control that.
It does get crazy when you're talking about aborting an eight-month-old fetus.
I mean, at what point in time?
When does it get crazy?
If it's not crazy when it's a group of cells, I agree.
You're pulling out a group of cells.
Is it crazy when it's that big?
Is it crazy when it's that big?
Is it crazy when it can exist outside your body?
I mean, I don't know.
But to say that this is not a discussion for debate.
For people like me, we think different than other people, but we can see that there's a simple and much cheaper solution to all of these problems if logic, data, and fact are applied.
I think they are being applied now more than ever before.
And that's why I have hope.
And also, I think this idea of teams, of Republican left-wing, Democrat, or Democrat left-wing, Republican right-wing, that's looking more and more silly every day, especially when you look at Obama.
There's so many people that fucking support Obama and don't say a goddamn thing about the shit that he's done in comparison to the shit they were on Bush about.
It's the same stuff!
It's the same stuff.
And all these liberals have proven to be massive cowards by not coming out against him the way they came out against Bush on a million different things, debatable as they may be.
Isn't that fascinating that he, in his, the campaign website, there was a whole thing about giving whistleblowers relief and helping them expose injustices.
I think if the system were changed, and it would have to be changed by the people and the people's government, the people's application of their will that would result in accurate government, you know, for the people, I think, you know...
I think without that, it'll continue to replicate no matter who's there because it's stupid and it doesn't work.
It's fucking passe.
It's obsolete.
It's time to stop defending what's already fucking dead so you can yank people and get them to send you fucking money.
I think we should just be done with money.
Serious.
We don't fucking need money.
And you know what?
People don't need gold either.
They need water.
So let's make water the new fucking currency or something.
Let's move away from it.
It ain't that hard.
It's not that hard to create a fucking just economic money system.
I completely agree with you that the system is fucked.
And I think that patching it up is like taking a Windows 95 computer and trying to make it work in today's internet and fucking adding a bunch of shit to it and tweaking.
I mean, we've got enough smart fucking people that they can put something better together.
We could do a lot better in a big, fat fucking hurry if we'd shut the fuck up and mind our own goddamn business, stay home once in a while, and clean up your own back fucking yard.
It seems like I'm liking Iceland because I'm always like, where the fuck am I going to go?
I always look around.
But Iceland, yeah, because they dumped the Fed and then they started arresting bankers and doing something different and they got richer for doing it because they're not imposing a system of debt on people.
They're doing something smarter.
And, you know, I mean, you know, I just have hope that that would happen here, because we could nationalize the Federal Reserve and solve all our problems, let's save the dollar.
I think you're 100% right and I think that I liken our society to that of like an alcoholic's personality.
Like someone who's trapped in a terrible pattern and keeps repeating the same problems over and over again and drinking and driving and you know just fucking killing their body.
I think that that probably is how our society is.
That we've got addicted to the idea of extracting money out of this broken system To the point where people are so addicted to money and so addicted to the benefits of having it that they're not willing to say, hey, you know, I'm a part of something that's ultimately destructive, even to me and to my children.
And you were one of the old-school comedy store gangsters, too.
You came up in the era where things were probably one of the most powerful eras in the history of stand-up comedy.
If you go back and look at, like, the origins from Lenny Bruce to Carlin to what have you, your era of the comedy store is one of the most powerful eras ever.
Yeah, for folks who don't know, the way LA works is for the longest time, nobody got paid.
You would go up and you would do spots and the clubs would be packed every night and the comedians would be starving to death, especially the local ones that are just sort of starting out, but they would be providing all this entertainment but not sharing in any of the profit.
The comedy clubs weren't willing to budge.
They were like, look, this is the way it is.
There was a book that was written on it, right?
Ari Shaffir was reading it recently.
I forget what it's called.
See if you can find that, Jamie.
But the strike itself was very important, and now comedians get paid for their sets.
You know, when you see the owner who's another comic, and he's buying his second house and, you know, adding on to the club, you're like, and he's still doing time on Monday.
And any club owner that would do that is a piece of shit.
Any club owner that wouldn't want to compensate the comedians that are performing and actually think that you're going to get them to work for free while you have your place packed every fucking night, that's disgusting.
One of the beautiful things about small clubs that I've always loved, if I do Zany's in Nashville or something like that, the club owners, if you go to these places, they actually like the art form.
It's a good exchange.
They enjoy it.
They enjoy the idea of having performers on their stage and that people have a good time and that their business flourishes.
Well, you know, there's a lot of great comics out there getting old now and, you know, they don't have any money and there's a, you know, a bunch of shit like that.
They gave their whole lives for comedy and they didn't get rich like I did, you know, and a few of us.
But they're just as, you know, they're great writers, great comics.
But, you know, you get broke down by that system like all artists and creative people do.
Well, I think with a lot of these guys, too, though, they're also very woe is me.
There's quite a few of those guys that never figured out social media, they never figured out how to promote themselves, they stopped writing new material, and then they feel like, I've been doing stand-up for 30 years and I can't sell at a club.
Well, what did you do?
I mean, like, what did you do with your time?
Like, how much of your time did you actually invest in continuing your career?
How much of your time did you actually invest in writing?
And how much did you just think that it was just due to you?
Yeah, whatever, but they're mean, and he's one of them.
So I was like, you're eating too much.
Boom!
It was like double.
And I knew it was fucking double, too, because it was like I was penetrating the shield of bullshit, but we don't tell him he fucking is a big, fat pig.
But the bad thing is when you are like that, like me and my dad, giving it back, then you have kids and they give it to you and god damn it, it's awful.
Which, I mean, you wanted to be a comic because you didn't want to be the fucking government.
You thought that was the opposite side.
When you've got these people that are getting arrested because they went to a meeting and talked to people about socialism.
So they're getting arrested and they're getting blacklisted from Hollywood.
They're getting their fucking jobs taken away from them for going to meetings and talking to people about ideas that they might not even agree with anymore.
What you were talking about, tribalism, here's another thing I want to say.
When they pervert tribalism, and here's what they do too, they make you defend everybody who's like you, but that's not good because you're keeping the predator right there.
Because the predator is the one every group should be against.
It's time to rid every community, every type, every street of predators who like aid people, taking people's money, taking public money and putting it in private pockets.
Saying that all people of this nationality, those are my people, or all people of this gender, those are my people, or all people that are transgender are my people.
I could not agree more, and that has always been my problem with the idea of feminism.
I'm 100% for equality, and I think that we should look down on men who are abusing women the same way we look down on women who are abusing men, the same way we look at men abusing men.
The reason why we're having this conversation at all is because someone figured out a way to put all this electronic shit into this tube that's only like six inches long and then it's attached to this wire that's attached to a fucking computer that blasts through to the internet.
Do you know how many good people there are in our government?
People report this to me.
I just want to say this too.
People, they do report to me that there are good people everywhere.
I'm sure.
And there's good people in our government, and they're like, right now, they're proving that because they had solutions that made common sense to people, they're being promoted and getting closer to, you know, logical seats of power.
Well, I think that this is what I was saying when I think that the internet and the transparency of information that we have today is going to sort of reinforce those ideas.
If you're going to represent people, you have to represent them in a way that benefits the people.
It's also so enticing to believe that Tower 7 was the place where they were holding all this information and they detonated it in front of everybody's eyes on television.
Like, holy shit, they got away with it.
Because if you were inclined to lean towards that, that would be one of the possibilities.
Except for the people who survived it on the streets, the horror of that.
That's really what it was about, I thought.
But also, the thing I knew it was the fucking end of the world when I seen it, because it was like...
I couldn't believe it because all these guys in suits, they were lined up on the sides of the roads and they were applauding for the firemen and the workers who do the actual work and they were like handing them water and I went, this is the fucking end of the world.
Americans are actually like applauding the way things actually work.
The guys in the suits were actually applauding the first responders and stuff.
And I thought, this has got to be the end of the bullshit.
It was like they were bringing water and they were bringing supplies and it was like, we're going to fucking...
It was really amazing because it's like, we're going to win out of goodness.
And that's how it felt then, and it was like, you know, the people were like, they were so good, and they were so caring, and they were coming together against a common, you know, foe.
Yeah, and the love of the first responders, too, that was a big thing.
I was in New York in 2002, and I couldn't believe how nice people were being the cops and firemen, like yelling out to them, waving to them, honking their horns.
Saying, we love you.
Just, it was crazy.
It was like you could feel the tangible result of them realizing, like, wow.
Like, we're in a situation where we got attacked.
Like, and these are the people that saved people.
And, you know, there's this weird feeling of mortality now.
I think that 9-11, more likely than not, was the result of a bunch of terrorists that attacked America.
And why did they do it?
Most likely because of what America's been doing overseas.
You know, we create enemies.
We do it from the beginning.
We've done it from the beginning of time.
Every nation that's been in power has always tried to steal the natural resources of other nations.
I've always tried to influence the governments of other nations, and there's a blowback from that shit.
You know, the people think that they, you know, that was the most embarrassing and enraging thing about what the Bush administration, the way they would flavor it.
And that this idea that somehow or another people wouldn't like that people are having a good time somewhere, so they're willing to kill themselves by flying fucking planes into buildings.
But it's that weird feeling that people have years later after the fact that not only have we not capitalized on the situation and used it as the potential to sort of rectify some of the problems that we have, but instead we ruined the way the rest of the world looks at America.
We destroyed all the goodwill All the praise and happiness that people had for America responding to this horrible tragedy.
All the love that people had sent to America from all across the world.
Within five, six years, America had become the great Satan again.
People have to get smart and hip to that shit and just go, you know what, we're not gonna...
You know what we're gonna do?
We're gonna do what we did after 9-1-1.
We're going to, like, do the right thing and the good thing for each other.
We're not gonna do what you fucking...
We're not going to be tools in your useless, obsolete wars where you make the stock markets go up because poverty increased amongst workers in the world.
But I also agree, and my daughter says, oh, mother, just because you're getting old enough to die doesn't mean that the entire world has to die with you.
That's what baby boomers think, because you guys are so fucking narcissistic.
Not all of you have ridden the world and blah, blah, blah.
But, you know, maybe it is.
Maybe it's because I'm getting old.
But, boy, I'd like to see a big fucking dent in the bullshit machine, this bullshit system.
What I was going to say is that when we look back in history and we look at the Iraq war and they find out that a guy who's the CEO of Halliburton somehow or another got to be the vice president of the United States who went into a war under dubious Pretenses that there's some weapons of mass destruction in some asshole's shitty fucking country in the middle of nowhere.
A million people die.
When they look at the profits that were distributed to Halliburton and all these different companies that profited from the rebuilding, it's going to be so fucking transparent when they stop and they step back and they look at it.
And then I think the other thing is going to be this Edward Snowden thing.
I think that the idea that the bankers organized it and set it up in order to rob people or that the government set it up in order to use it as a pretense to invade Iraq.
I think it's much more likely that they capitalized on a situation and looked for an opening that they had been looking for in the first place.
There was a guy recently who was indicted for murder because he opened up his gas line and then set a timer for a spark to go off, but he had no idea how much of an explosion it would create, and he blew up the neighbor's house, too, and killed a couple people.
I mean, it's just some crazy asshole that wanted some money and wanted to become a murderer.
So a guy like Larry Silverstein, who would have, in the conspiracy model, paid to have those buildings destroyed, he would have no incentive to do that because he couldn't be able to get money from it.
I think that there's a lot of chaos in horrible tragedies, and a lot of people look for order in that chaos, and one of the things they look for is conspiracy.
They were screaming, running in the streets, and they thought we really had been invaded.
They say they're going to do another one like that, a fake alien invasion movie, and project it onto the stuff that is in the chemtrails, and that people are going to see a false and artificial reality right before their eyes.
Well, here's the problem with the whole FEMA camp thing.
What?
Here's the number one problem.
You've got to feed those fucking people.
You've got to take care of them.
You're either going to kill them, which costs money because you're going to have to get rid of the bodies and shoot them and all that shit, and then they're not going to contribute any money to the tax dollars anymore.
But they're not taking the biggest, baddest tax donators in the world.
They're not doing that.
They're going after people that are in poverty.
That's why, because those people oftentimes aren't contributing to the system as far as tax money anyway.
They might buy like sales tax and things along those lines, but they're probably not making enough money declared to pay a significant amount of income tax.
I mean, it could be changed by some people who have some fucking brains in their head that go, geez, I don't want to have to live on top of a mountain behind 18 sets of gates.
But aren't they just a part of this fucked up system that we're talking about?
If you come along, say if you're going to work for some guy who's a fucking crazy control freak and you're working in his office and they have specific rules, the company rules that you have over the coffee machine and the way he wants you to dress, the way he wants you to talk.
If you're trying to advance inside that system, you behave the way that system itself.
But I mean, and it's at his whim that you live and die.
That ain't right.
That's what corporations do.
And these fucking, you know, servants that they put on the Supreme Court to make a corporation a human, I think we should take advantage of that and do just the opposite and get all the American people together not to...
To never vote, never cast another fucking vote, and incorporate.
And then we'll bill the fucking government for the money they fucking stole from us in the first goddamn place.
You know, one of the things that I thought was fascinating that you were talking about, one of the reasons why you love Hawaii is because they still have a goddess.
I think it's a fascinating thing in our culture that somewhere along the line, being a woman or respecting the idea of a goddess is completely eliminated from the whole structure of the culture.
Well, and thinking the things that, like the standard of feminine or the philosophy of feminine, just the natural instinct and inclination is to take care of things, nurturing things, be loving to things, give birth to things.
When the mothers start implementing a smarter system, that changes things right away.
And there's all kinds of evidence out there that you can read about.
Like right now in Africa, a whole bunch of new systems, you know, and women are the ones who are like thinking them up.
Because like I said, a lot of these women, myself included in the old days, you had to fix a whole lot of shit with just using a rubber band and a paper clip.
You had to, like, organize a fucking shitload of people around you to do what needed to be done for the group.
It's like hive mind.
And we were trained for that.
So it's like, you know, if we're all going to survive in this family, this is what I need you to do.
We need to make our common goal visible and all work towards it, not against it.
And that's what the mother brings to a family.
And the father, too.
But the mother is the one who's there every day.
General.
I'm speaking in generalities.
But she's there and she implements that system of sharing and commonwealth.
We've had him on the podcast several times, and he's a really, really brilliant guy.
And one of the things that he talked about was that in hunter-gatherer cultures, the relationship between the man and the woman was much, much, much more equal because the women did a huge amount of the work.
I don't doubt that it could be switched at any point if you're training people.
But after you've been doing something for a couple thousand years, it kind of comes into your DNA and it gets like it's your default because you've been well-bred or programmed for that, you know.
But I don't think that is who we are.
I think we're much smarter than what we're allowed to be.
And I think that, you know, if we had ultimate freedom and small groups of communities of self-rule, where it was the goal of each community to be sustainable and have justice and trade with your neighbor, I think we'd be a lot better because that is who we are before we all got fucked up with this shit.
And I think that one of the things that these things represent when you start talking about like an ancient culture that, you know, favored women more or a culture over here that favors men more or, you know, you get weirdness like Papua New Guinea, where they sexually molest young boys from the time they're young, they take them away from their parents and they They make them ingest men's semen.
They call them semen warriors.
It's crazy.
But what is that?
Well, that represents this crazy range that we have of behavior patterns that people tend to follow.
And I think that discussion and communication and things like these conversations are what lead people to start analyzing the behavior structure and the conversation makes people look at the way things are and compare them to Whether it's past civilizations or civilizations like Iceland or whatever it is.
And they start thinking about reorganizing and re-engineering the system.
And I have hope in my fellow humans, not in any fairytale way.
You know, there's a movement now and it's starting in Italy and it's going to go everywhere.
It's called the Five Star Movement and it has, you know, new systems of law, the International Tribunal of Common Law.
And I'm saying it wrong, but it's like commonwealth, common law.
And it's like taking the idea of sovereignty on behalf of the regular people of this planet, the citizens of this planet, and judging the people who have caused and imposed misery for no reason but profit.
And, you know, the people, they do have that power, and it is coming, and it is because of the internet, and it is because of shows like this, because we can talk this way.
You know, I have faith in my, in your generation, younger people.
My kids are your age a little bit younger, probably just your age.
But, you know, y'all are getting smarter, and you will.
You know, you're going to solve a lot of stuff because you're smart and you have the technology and the tools at your disposal to do so.
Not being saddled down with, you know, mortgages and kids and all this different stuff that makes it really, really hard to change, but be free from the jump and then engineer your life and in turn affect the lives of all the people around you.
Well, I think that's true, but here's what I think is really scary, awesome, cool.
It's far younger than even them.
I don't know if you've looked into it.
There's a lot of hope for the way autistic people think because they are very solution-driven.
I'm on that spectrum, you know?
But they're able to, like, conceive of the idea of actual solutions to actual problems instead of how am I going to make money off this problem, which is, like, my generation and disappearing.
But kids as young as nine years old are implementing incredible systems on the Internet that actually, like, you know...
What do you call it?
For battering of fuel, batteries, you know, and fuel, and all kinds of new things.
These guys, these people are unbelievable.
These young, they're really young, and especially the ones who have intense focus.
Their focus is so intense that they can only do one thing.
But when applied, I mean, these are like some of the greatest thinkers as per solutions that have ever existed.
And now this is like the time of magic that I really like because I want to tell you the story.
Oh, this was like a thing that really fucked my mind.
I was at this party and there was all these people, you know, from all over the place.
There was this guy there and he had done all the satellite work for Ted Turner at the time, you know, when they started cable, news and everything.
And he was telling me what his opinion of the impact of technology and freedom of information for people to be able to...
And here's what he said, because I think of it every day.
He said, for the first time in history, human history, information reaches the people without any state, without any church stopping it.
He said, this is going to give birth to something that people who look at the Renaissance as like a great time.
It's going to be a million times of it.
He said, this is going to be the time of great freedom.
And he said, and the greatest thing about it is that the ills of the world will begin to disappear because people will be smart enough and won't want to walk over dead bodies anymore because they'll realize that what they do is who they are.
And he went into this whole thing, and I think of it every day, and I look for evidence that it's true, and I find it everywhere all over the Internet.
Smart people, they know the right thing to do.
They know that this is the time where, you know, us just deciding that we're going to do the right thing for the right reason at the right time, it's never been done.
And now it's possible, and this is the first time, that it's really been possible for people to, like, really get together and...
Demand and bring change and a whole new world.
And we can do it all with everything that already exists.
We don't have to have any wars and we don't have to reinvent the wheel either.
It all exists.
What we just need is the right intelligence and philosophy at the top driving it.
Yeah, because the evil thing, after it's done killing everything good, like the cancer cell, and this is genetics, it doesn't stop killing until the host is dead.
Well, and even on a different way of looking at it, what we were talking about earlier about New York, about people experiencing that horrible evil of this attack and thousands of people dead, and then millions of people being friendly to each other.
First of all, that Wall Street appreciated the work that people who do the actual work that makes things go.
Like when they go to the wall and flip that switch, the people that make the electricity come, you know, the people that raise their kids and put the food on their tables and grow it, those people that do the actual work, they were being very appreciative and I thought this is a mind-blowing fucking revolutionary moment in the United States history where bullshit is not walking and bullshit is not talking but reality and like reality is being honored and And people were so fucking happy, man.
They were all smiling at each other.
They were tripping over themselves to give somebody a hand.
But it let me know that that time is possible, that things like that can take place where people do wake up and kind of realize.
And I think one of the big things was that it happened here.
We've been so lucky.
When you consider how much war the United States has been involved in and how little of it has been on United States soil outside of Pearl Harbor, which is barely on United States soil.
It's like it's in the middle of the ocean.
It's Hawaii.
Hawaii, I think it should be its own nation.
I just do.
I think it is a totally unique thing.
I think it should have its own rules, its own government.
I think they need the United States money for certain things because of that, but fuck.
I mean, there's a bunch of people who felt it, and what's really sickening to me is that those people who sent their kids over there to fight for an idea that they agreed with and that everybody agrees with, that's what they were sold and that's what they did,
and then they come home to find that their parents, that class of people who've lost their homes, I mean, when people put that one together, I always hope, you know, of course I want the American people, you know, deserve health care.
And if they had given us health care, they wouldn't have had any war in Iraq.
I want somebody to put that together too.
That was all bankster bullshit to avoid paying for, you know, Medicare for all, because they needed to get away from what they call a socialist model.
So they started breaking it down, and it was all around healthcare.
And it would have been a whole fuck of a lot cheaper to just give people healthcare, but it paid off those private contractors who go over to other countries.
And not only do they blow everything up, But then they rebuild it.
Then they blow it up again, and then they rebuild it.
They're getting paid four times of doing that because it's just a fucking scam.
When you say it's about health care, meaning that they shifted where the money would go, that it would have to go to war so there wouldn't be money for health care?
You take the shit from the top and move it to the middle.
So they just bullshitted everybody.
And they use the way they always use.
They use a lot of racism and they use absolute classism to divide people against each other and do their fundraising shit.
And all the laws that they changed since Reagan were deregulation laws.
And it was so that they deregulated the insurance company so like bosses can take peasant insurance out on their employees so if they die they get a kickback.
Judges get a kickback.
You know, they took public money and put it in private pockets and they did it all through their lobbyists who sit in Congress and have nothing to do with serving the needs of the people who sent them there.
This was like it in Hawaii, too, where this old lady gets up there.
It made me so fucking mad.
She goes, I'm 82 years old, and I'm a...
I'm a GMO farmer, and I'm 82, and if I didn't have my GMO crops, I wouldn't be able to send my children to college, and they get up there, their testimony.
I want to go to college!
But I go up there and go, I don't care how old you are, you don't have the right to give my grandkids asthma.
Hello?
Hello?
But they don't connect anything because they're fucking on dope, for one thing.
They're depressed as fuck.
America takes two-thirds of the world's antidepressants, and then they got antidepressant booster on top of it if it doesn't make you...
Forget reality quick enough.
And you know, they're just drowning in bullshit.
But they want bullshit more than they want anything else.
And I like just going, hey, I'll read all the shit for you and I'll tell you what it means too.
Because I feel like, hey, that's a service I can provide.
Maybe I'm full of shit on some topics.
Look it up for yourself and then come back and tell me if I am or not.
I'll listen.
But I mean somebody's got to put this complete system of obsolete bullshit into They've got to start laughing at discord and fucking replace it with something that fucking makes sense.
I hope it's not something catastrophic, some sort of big event that has to take place in order for them to rebuild the whole thing and try to do it in some sort of ethical and moral way.
But yeah, I ran against him because I knew he was a lobbyist like they all are.
There's no real leaders.
I mean, I think he's a smart lobbyist and I don't think he has any chance but to do what he does because he's in that system, that system of banksters.
It's about as free as you can get in today's climate, but they're working very hard to restrict those freedoms, and that's what's scary about the NSA. Holding things over people, digging into your email, being able to have things that they can pull on you like you were saying before, that they're all a bunch of fucking people that have done shady shit and they know that they have secrets out there and they want to have your secrets as well.
And they want to hold them over your head and keep you from trying to change the system.
So when a person like you comes along that doesn't give a fuck, That's when the truth gets heard, when a person doesn't have anything to lose.
So your hero was responsible for something you didn't even know about.
That was one of the big moments where people in the United States started going, what?
The Kennedy assassination was the one for me.
I was living in New York and my friend John...
He had this buddy who was over the house who had this book that he was fucking waving around talking all this crazy shit about this book.
It was called Best Evidence by this guy David Lifton.
David Lifton was an accountant that started going over the Warren Commission reports.
And he was one of the only guys that was anal enough to go through all fucking who knows how many hundreds and hundreds of pages and find all these inconsistencies and contradictions and all this hypocrisy and craziness and all incorrect shit.
And he made like a long list of what it was and explained and then went on this lifelong quest to get to the bottom of what happened during the Kennedy assassination.
And the result was this book called Best Evidence that is one of the most analytical books ever.
And analytical about the crime in a way that was not emotional.
It wasn't theatrical.
It wasn't trying to lead you in any one direction or the other.
It was just simply stating the facts.
Like the reason why the single bullet theory was concocted in the first place, the single bullet itself appearing on Connelly's gurney magically at the hospital and being responsible for going through two people's bodies and leaving more in residue of the bullets in Connelly's body than was missing from the actual bullet itself.
So much horseshit involved in the concoction of the single bullet theory in the first place.
Because they only did it because they had to make up for a guy getting hit with a ricochet on the underpass.
A guy went to the hospital and he got hit and he was doing interviews and talking about it.
He got hit with a bullet that hit the curbstone and the ricochet hit him in the head.
So this guy had to be treated.
So they had to account for that bullet.
And one of the ways they accounted for that bullet was all these different wounds on two different people.
They attributed them to one bullet.
Instead of saying, hey, man, maybe they're getting shot from all over the place.
Maybe they're getting shot from the front and shot from the back.
No, they tied it all together.
The first bullet hole in Kennedy's neck, they turned that into a trach wound.
It's a different wound in the Bethesda, Maryland Hospital as it is in the Dallas Hospital.
The way it was described in the Dallas Hospital was an entry wound.
The way it was described in Bethesda, Maryland, by the time they got a hold of the body and flew it across the country, they turned it into tracheotomy.
You don't do a tracheotomy in a guy who doesn't have a head.
The Warren Commission was filled with criminals and crazy people, madmen, that were designed to disseminate propaganda and dress it up as the truth.
Whoever killed Kennedy, whether it was Lee Harvey Oswald delivered the shot, or the idea that what we're getting is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but, that's the most hilarious thing ever.
To me, that shows where there's a problem with conspiracy theory.
That most of the time, it's incompetence.
It's human incompetence more than anything else.
And when you got a guy that's just making up sign language shit, standing three feet away from the president, who, oh, by the way, when you go back in his past, turns out that he was arrested for murder and might have been also responsible for rape.
So there's like all these crazy accusations about this guy.
He's a violent schizophrenic.
He'd already been arrested at one other time for doing that very same thing.
He got in trouble, rather, for doing that very same thing.
Well, they're smart in some ways, but I think in order to fuck people over, you have to be a liar.
In order to be a liar, you've got to lie to yourself.
I don't think there's any people that are dishonest that are honest with themselves.
Because if they were honest with themselves, they would recognize the terrible feeling that comes along with leaving a legacy of sadness and destruction behind you.
Leaving a legacy of people upset about your personal actions.
I mean, I admire people who are handling it well, but once you get up to that certain level, I mean, you know, I'm just saying, a lot of people, they don't survive that level, and I would see that, you know.
Like when you see a Miley Cyrus going crazy or a Justin Bieber going crazy and everybody has their own criticisms of them, you have a particular way of looking at it where you're like, God, you don't know what the fuck they're dealing with.
No one knows.
No one understands.
You understand in a way that most people would never.
I was like, yeah, these fucking people, they're just fucking, they're jumping on my car.
I mean, you don't know what it's like when you're, like, panicked, because, you know, you're trying to leave a crowd, and you're in your car, and they're fucking jumping on your car, and they're being encouraged to jump on your car and shit.
It's like, you know, and, you know, some farm boys, they knock my window, you know, I roll it down, and they're like, do you want us to beat the fuck out of them?