Dave Asprey and Tait Fletcher debate oxalic acid risks in kale, spinach, and wheat—Asprey’s Bulletproof Coffee avoids mycotoxins like ochratoxin (7.8 ppb found in some brands) by medium-roasting unblemished beans, while they critique corporate food monopolies (Monsanto’s GMO patents) and medical bureaucracy stifling innovation (e.g., FDA’s cholesterol rules). Asprey’s high-fat diet and minimal exercise (45 mins/month via vibration plates) contrast with Fletcher’s push for "man school" to teach self-defense, while both link systemic failures—like drone strikes targeting civilians or Angelina Jolie’s BRCA patent criticism—to broader societal decay, urging personal resilience over reliance on broken institutions. Rogan highlights Bradley Manning’s heroism in exposing military indifference toward civilian casualties, framing whistleblowing as a moral duty despite government retaliation. [Automatically generated summary]
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Well, I think it's probably a proven thing, though.
It's probably got a very specific effect.
I mean, I don't know what it is, but I bet the Mushroom and Coke Club, like the people that are really down with that shit, they'll probably tell you you're out of your mind.
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I think, too, that when people talk about wanting to get the benefits of yoga and stuff like that, like you were the first one that I ever heard talk about like all those poses leading to a place of kind of like a supernatural experience with yourself and all that kind of thing, what yogis were originally trying to do.
And that's a lot of discipline to do that, you know, but like to get in a and and like to have the benefits of like a massage, of real deep relaxation, of all that stuff come and just getting into a tank.
Like, and that's that's there, you know, that's available.
Yeah, you can have and you don't have to be good at anything, you can just lay there.
I feel like, too, if you're living in a way that you're, it just dawned on me the other day.
I was like, you live kind of an aggressive life, Tate.
Like, I'd never thought that before.
It never dawned on me.
But if you're really attacking life in a way, like, you're after stuff, you're using your intellect, you're using your artistic side, you're really going into things full-fledged, and you need a relaxation.
You need that unwind.
If you're just kind of sedentary all the time and you get in a tank, maybe I can see that.
But like, if you really need that release on the other side of things.
I just think it's a good time for self-reflection.
And I think people don't get that enough.
You don't get enough time where you can actually just sit and do nothing.
We try to multitask, try to watch TV while we relax, while we look at our Twitter, while we talk to someone who's near us.
And we think it's relaxing, but there's still a lot of shit going on.
It's just a lower vibration.
When you get in a tank, there's nothing going on, man.
There's nothing.
There's no life anymore.
It's disconnect.
If you can just ignore, just learn how to stay still, stop moving, ignore the fact that you're in the tank, accept the fact that you're in the tank, and just be.
People tweak about shit, and they can never get comfortable.
It's hard to get comfortable.
So you start thinking about a lot of stupid shit that's bugging you.
It's distracting.
Managing the mind.
It's one of the most critical things that you need to learn in this life.
Learn how to manage your shit.
The first time in my life, I can remember when I realized that I didn't always have to get mad when something happened, that I could keep my shit together.
It was a beautiful feeling.
It's like, and to actually pull it off, to pull it off when someone's being incredibly cunty to you and you just never get upset.
Yeah, it's possible to turn a situation around with the right attitude.
It's like there's a lot of people that we all know that always got into trouble and you always had to look back and go, could that motherfucker have avoided that trouble?
Like did that shit really have to go down?
And they're like, man, if you would have done the same thing, if you were in that situation.
Well, and it's like those kinds of reflections that you wouldn't be present to without that.
You know what I mean?
Until you emptied out everything else and you're like, oh, this is another occurrence.
What I think of it all the time is in myself, it's not just how I reflect to the world, but like, how do I feel about it?
Like, if somebody, like somebody at my gym, they didn't show up for a class one morning and then there's no classes and people are there and it's like a freak out, you know?
But like, and somebody's like, God, you reacted.
You were just, you're like, okay, well, I know that it's got to be gutting for you.
I'm sorry that happened.
Let's look at how we can mitigate the response of everybody else here and go on with it.
And they're like, what happened?
There's nothing.
You reacted in such a nice way.
And I'm like, well, it doesn't change anything for me to get all hemmed up about it.
And so why do I want to feel ugly inside?
Why do I want to have that kind of, because that's a damper on your whole soul, man.
This is a perfect example of, it's like jiu-jitsu.
I feel like jiu-jitsu is like, I'm going to dig you some holes and I'm going to offer you a bunch of bad choices and you're going to have to go in one of my holes.
And so the same thing, as long as everybody's clear about this is an eventuality that will happen if you choose door A. Right.
So that's all I'm going to say.
I let people make their own choices.
I'm here for whatever kind of party you want to throw.
I think that's the thing, though, is having a spiritual consciousness like that where I go, regardless of my external conditions, I'm going to be unchanged inside.
Like that's the goal, but you have to get conscious to that.
If you're not a thinking person, your default is rage, perhaps.
That's a beautiful thing because, I mean, like a heightened accountability because so often we go, oh, well, I'm powerless over what I eat or I feel like they're just my feelings.
But to really get super accountable for like, this is my life.
These are my emotional and I can change all that.
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And knowing they happen, they happen before you can think about them.
A friend of mine used to say, he says, you're not responsible for the first thought, but you're responsible for stroking it after that.
It's like, shit's going to pop in your head.
That's a good threat.
Whatever you're going to do after that with it, you can either say, okay, I'm going to go with this thought and coax it up into a huge problem or whatever.
It's not just that, but when you're super aggressively douchey driving that way, like you could pick the wrong guy and you don't want that person in your life ever.
And all of a sudden now they're in your life in a very intense way.
And you've invited them in.
That's a stupid idea.
It's dumb.
And that comes from, I think, a lot of women.
It's very rare for them to experience first-hand violence.
I mean, I think you got the possibility of sexual stuff and things along those lines, like from men.
But I think men probably see a lot more physical violence, like young men.
It's like your whole stupid body's designed for chaos, and the chaos never shows up.
It's like you're just at work all day.
Where's this chaos I'm designed for?
What's this mad world that I like?
If you're a fucking healthy male, life can be challenging.
If you're a healthy testosterone-filmed male and you don't have a release, if you don't have something that lets you burn off energy, well, guess what?
The world doesn't need you like that.
You're stuck in a situation where you're bouncing around in a world that doesn't need cavemen anymore.
I think there needs to be a rite of passage for men.
And it should be something that you, I mean, whether it's a physical accomplishment or a mental accomplishment, it's almost like graduating, like graduating from high school.
If you graduated from high school, I know, well, at least the guy graduated from high school.
Like, it was a church-based Boy Scouts, too, most of it.
And so I don't know if I was just molested while being a Boy Scout, and that's why I don't remember, because I should remember more from being a Boy Scout.
You were one day, you were like masturbating or something, and then you had this flash in front of your face of a priest Cock right before it went in your mouth.
It takes all kinds of people in all kinds of different, you know, some people absorb some things and some people just parts about their life they just don't want to change or they haven't mustered up the urge to change it yet.
You know, but there's also a lot of people that listen to this podcast where I've met and they're like, I lost 100 pounds.
But people that get off of Paxil, Zolof, shit like that, that are like, I just feel more even all the time now that I eat a high level of fats all the time in my system or whatever.
It's like, that's when people don't think that that's the heaviest drug that you're taking, most, I mean, a couple people here excluded perhaps, but like food is maybe the number one heaviest drug that anybody takes in the world.
And we do it all the time without thinking about it.
And I would just have you consider that if you think about it just a little bit, you can have a drastically different experience with life.
My chiropractor, a friend actually, who's a chiropractor, told me that one of the reasons why people get inflammation as far as like discs and things like that.
She's like, we've been able to help people a lot just by cutting wheat out of their diet.
So basically, if you're kale, you don't want to get eaten by snails and bugs, and you're a nice soft-green plant.
So you put this stuff in you.
It's the same thing that like Aspergillus and Candida, that mold that gives you yeast infections, those things also make oxalic acids one of their ways of protecting their turf.
It's a different chemical in wheat, but it's the same idea.
Like most starch sources and a lot of like soft green vegetables have a defense mechanism.
In celery, it's nitrite.
But here it's oxalic acid.
So in Volvidenia, what they believe, and this is a sort of a mystery illness, but what they believe, at least in one group of researchers, is that this stuff, the acid form of oxalic acid, gets into the body and it goes into tissues, including muscles and your GI system and things like that.
It complexes with calcium and then it forms little crystals, kind of like gout does.
And that this is a trigger there.
There's also a group of people looking into oxalic acid as one of the contributors to autism.
It has like bigger, broader leaves that are less ridged, and it looks kind of like you'd imagine dinosaur skin would look instead of like the real frilly stuff.
Here's what to do if you're only going to have one.
It is cumulative.
So you have an oxalic acid burden in your body.
If you have like, you know, dandruff and yeast problems, that's going to raise your burden.
If you do other high oxalic foods, that's going to be a burden.
So most people, you're going to be fine if you do it once a week.
It doesn't matter.
But here's the trick.
If you're going to do it regularly, boil it and do calcium loading, which is a term that I just finally made up because there's two studies.
One, they actually give calcium tablets to people when they eat kale and 97% less oxalic acid goes into the system because it forms calcium oxalate in the gut and you poop it out instead of getting it in your kidneys or getting it somewhere else in your body.
Or there's another study that says mineral water full of minerals.
If you do that, it also reduces it.
So what I'm suggesting is in the blender, steam the stuff, add butter, add MCT oil to it, add your hemp force protein, any kind of protein you want.
You can still do the same thing.
Now it's a hot drink instead of a cold drink.
It's actually really good that way.
I do it quite a lot, even for lunch.
And then add a little bit of calcium to it.
You do that when you blend it.
The calcium is going to stick to the oxalic acid and you're not going to absorb any of it.
So what are you going to get?
You get less muscle weakness, which can happen if you get these crystals forming in your muscles.
And you're going to get less risk of kidney stones.
And that kidney stone stuff, there's solid research on that.
It looks just like normal celery, but when bugs and stuff eat it, it makes so many nitrates that when you bite it, it's almost like a poison ivy.
Like it can cause swelling here.
So the celery that we eat is like treated gently so it doesn't make a lot of toxins to fight off bugs.
But you ever see that like bacon, the real expensive bacon that's cured, and they use celery powder and they say it's nitrate-free?
It's total BS.
Celery is so high in nitrite, not nitrate, that when they powder the celery and they put that in the bacon, they're doing the same thing as putting nitrate in there.
They just don't have to tell you it's nitrate.
So celery is a source of that.
Nitrate isn't a problem unless you got bad bacteria in your gut.
That's not going to be a problem if you're eating right.
The Atkins diet, he just said eat less carbs, but he didn't differentiate between types of fat, and he let you eat way too much protein because too much protein is inflammatory, too.
So you got people on the Atkins diet, they lose half their weight and they get stuck, and the second half won't come off.
That happened to me.
I lost 50 pounds.
It took me another three or four years to get the other 50 off because I didn't understand moderate protein, ketosis from eating not too many carbs and a ton of the right kind of fat.
And when you just do that, your inflammation goes away.
And all of a sudden, you can lose like 100 pounds like I did and keep it off for 10 years.
When you're overtraining, one of the biggest things that you can find, like if you're doing two or three days, is that you'll wake up with your heart racing or something.
If you do that, fucking, you got to pump the brakes.
You know what I mean?
You're in a state where you need a few days off or whatever.
So the same thing was happening, and it was just dietary for me.
And so then I backed off and I'd do huge refeeds of squash and things like that and fruit.
But with the coaching clients I've got, the women, they tend to, if they go in ketosis and stay there, they start not dreaming and they get more stressed and like their sleep quality goes down.
And I did like three months of like one serving of vegetables a day.
The rest was mostly fat and some meat and eggs and stuff like that.
That did not end well, man.
After three months of that, I was waking up nine times a night and not knowing I woke up.
I was kind of like my sleep was dead.
And I started getting really dry eyes and dry sinuses.
And I just didn't feel good.
So I found out what happened is that I couldn't even make tears because I didn't have enough carbohydrates to make tears.
So you have to, in my gut lining, because you're a man.
As long as you're cheating with foods that aren't full of toxins, like the Tim Ferris style cheat day where you just eat like Snickers bars and whatever.
I tried that for years.
And what happens is it takes you four or five days to recover from the cheat day before, because we're not talking about just like losing a little bit of weight.
We're talking about like rocking everything.
And if you want your brain to work, you want to not have road range and not be a dick when you don't want to be a dick, then I don't think the cheat day with glue.
You know what's cool though is the tighter that my diet gets, then the better like what I'm willing to do.
It's like before pizza used to be a cheat day, then now it's like sweet potato fries are.
And where that was a norm, it's like you get dialed in better and you're just like, I just, this is where I want, how good do I want to feel?
And then you go, fuck, I don't feel good.
I just had a fighter that went and he cut a bunch of weight and then he does cake and all like, I don't ever want to sacrifice how I feel to feel like this.
If you're vegan and you're doing it for the environment, you got to understand that hooved animals like cows and sheep are required for soil to not turn into desert.
Because if they don't break up the top of the soil and poop on it, then the soil dies and it forms a crust of algae and water can't go into the soil.
So we've had desertification problems like the Great Dust Bowl and all that stuff that happened around the Depression happened because we killed all the buffalo.
So there's a need for us to have grass-fed cows roaming around.
So even after grass-fed would suck a dick trying to drive from New York to California and this fucking million buffalo making their way across the plains.
Well, what you want to do is turn off inflammation in the brain because when your nerves are inflamed, they conduct electricity faster.
So you want to think faster.
You want to basically do everything you can to turn down inflammation.
So what I figured out is if you brew your coffee the way you're brewing it with a French press, that preserves the coffee oils.
And the coffee oils contain diterpenes.
They're called calfestrol and cowahol.
And what these things do is they go into the brain and they turn off certain inflammation pathways.
This is true of like any kind of coffee has that.
So if you take my coffee, which has no mycotoxins and no histamines in it because of the way it's processed, the bulletproof process, and then you brew it right the way you just did before the show in the French press, then what you're getting is these coffee oils that are kind of precious.
They're one of the things that make coffee into a legitimate superfood.
And then you mix it with these other fats and they get into the body well.
One of the other fats you're getting from bulletproof coffee is butyric acid in that butter.
Short-chain fatty acids there.
Those things actually heal the gut, which is kind of cool.
There's only two ways you can get them.
If you're lucky and you have the right bacteria growing in your gut, which a lot of people don't, you may make those in your gut.
But the other place they come from is from dairy.
So you're getting something that turns off inflammation in the brain, which is what short-chain fatty acids do, and it heals your gut, which is kind of cool.
Now, people were skeptical about your claims that it's mycotoxins, that it's in coffee, that is what's causing discomfort and the crash and all that stuff.
Has that been proven?
Is there a test or a study that you can show that shows that mycotoxins are at X level?
I don't know whether or not your beans have more or less mycotoxins.
I don't have my own lab.
What I do know is if you say your stuff contains no mycotoxins or less mycotoxins, you should test the other stuff and say what it contains so you can show the difference.
If a university has done the study and they've done a study with like thousands of samples all over the place or hundreds of samples depending on which study and they've done them for 20 years, I'm just citing those studies because I don't have enough money to conduct all those studies.
It's actually neither a roasting thing or even really a cleaning thing.
What happens is a bug comes and it bites the coffee.
And we've done studies on the bugs.
We know 50% of the bugs that bite coffee cherries have toxic mold spores on their feet and that that's how the toxic molds enter the chain.
This means if you pick the right coffee and you have someone who's trained at picking unblemished coffee, that that coffee has not been inoculated with the bad stuff.
But then if you're doing like an Indonesian or an African process, you literally pick all the coffee, including the stuff that has bird bites and insect bites and everything else that are ways for this mold to get in there, you throw it on a tarp and you let it sit there.
It sits there for a while until it basically spoils and the outside dries up, and then you rinse it off, dry it again, and ship it off.
The other way they do it is they put it in a big bucket or a big barrel.
They add water.
They let it sit for a day or two and it spoils again.
The outside of the coffee chair gets all like slimy.
So I'll tell you, there's a couple steps that are proprietary.
I'm not going to tell you.
But the rest of the steps are that I allow zero fermentation during the processing of the coffee.
So people folks, oh, my roast.
I have a micro roast.
I love coffee roasters.
But if you put beans that have problems in, the toxins I'm talking about are heat stable.
This is such a problem that in Europe, they have a safe, acceptable level for ocrotoxin in coffee.
It is not set in the U.S. So if you go to Europe and you drink coffee, they have to test their coffee.
They've changed the whole coffee industry in Europe.
The level of ocrotoxin allowed is eight parts per million.
And if you sell coffee that's above that, in Europe, you're not even allowed to do that.
In the U.S., there is no limit.
So where do you think the cheap coffee goes?
It has to go to the U.S. And I love coffee people.
I am a coffee person.
So when coffee people who have the most expensive, high-tech, amazing roasters, and they spent their life studying coffee, and they're getting beans that came from this great estate, they put them in.
And well, I'm sorry, if those things had histamine or they had mycotoxin or ocrotoxin or aflatoxin in it, then what's going to come out of that roaster?
It might taste and smell wonderful, but you're not going to be at optimal human performance when it's done.
Like, if you have water damage in your house and you don't hire guys and astronaut suits to come in and test it and clean it, like you could, you could die.
There's a whole supply chain problem between when coffee's picked and then how it's packed and how it's moved into the U.S. And so my roaster is in the Pacific Northwest.
So they do my roasting for me and then I ship straight from there.
It's actually really scary because our bodies work pretty well.
If you eat something that's really spoiled, you'll throw up and you'll get sick and then you'll recover.
And if you were growing your own food or you were a caveman, then okay, fine.
The next day you ate meat that wasn't spoiled or whatever it was and you just go on with life.
But when we have big food involved, they're like, oh, here's the safe limit of these toxins.
So let's dump a truck full of tomatoes into the tomato processing plant.
And some of them are spoiled and moldy and some aren't.
But it's okay because we're at this low acceptable limit.
But our bodies don't like a low acceptable limit because it's like a chronic background noise of inflammation that keeps the body inflamed.
It's not enough to make you sick, to make you throw up, but it might be enough to make you tired, to make you flip the guy off in traffic in front of you to feel agitated and aggressive.
So what I found, trust me, I don't like this.
I would love to just go to McDonald's and get like really healthy food that makes me feel good that doesn't do that.
But I found if I wanted to be bulletproof, I wanted to be at that point where my brain worked and I had all the focus and all the energy I wanted and I didn't get fat like I used to be when I weighed 300 pounds.
What you need to do is go to The Rocks Twitter page.
Go and look at the Twitter page of The Rocks at Twitter.
You want to get driven?
This fucking guy is on a plane probably as much as you, but he posts pictures of himself at the weight room at 6.30 in the morning or at 3.30 in the morning.
And what's happening, the pollen does cross in the field, and then they prove that with the like the Supreme Court supports Monsanto in that way is that they go, well, we found this in your field.
He's like, yeah, it cross-pollinated.
It's in my granary or whatever I do.
And yeah, they polluted my thing.
No, no, you're using their seeds and those seeds are trademarked and you're sued out of existence.
And then Monsanto takes that one over.
And that's happened all across America.
They're trying to do it in India.
India is one of the only places that has a class action lawsuit against an independent company, a corporation like Monsanto.
She thinks that the only way people can survive on this planet with the population that we have now is with genetically modified food.
She says she understands that Monsanto may be illegal, or rather unethical and evil, but that genetically modified foods are probably imperative for the survival of the race.
If you believe farming is the core of how to feed people, you might make that argument, but it doesn't account for topsoil destruction.
The only way we're going to make people survive is by pushing agriculture out from being a centralized activity to being a decentralized activity that has resilience built in.
We're doing monoculture everywhere, and GMOs make that even worse.
So you genetically modify something, and then a new blight that's good for that one strain is there, and you're dead.
And the other issue is that they're trying to dominate the actual natural corn and the natural non-genetically modified plants by allowing their pollen to get into these farmers and then suing them for it.
And just by the fact that they are suing these guys for it, the reason why they're doing that is because they're trying to dominate them and take them out of the fields.
But the problem with the scientist lady that you just, yeah.
It's almost, it's like that hippie thing where in public schools, they're saying, no, everybody wins.
You know what I mean?
If there's a race, everybody wins.
And they're trying to diminish and mitigate anybody from having a bad feeling about that.
And then, I'm sorry, you turn 17, you get out of school, fucking you find out that people lose all over the place.
And you also, if everybody wins in your construct, you never get to learn that, well, maybe I suck at running, but I'm great at the tuba or whatever.
Nobody finds their own beauty in that.
And so you're trying to make homogenize fucking people.
And that's disgusting and loathsome at one regard.
People need to learn what that hurt and what that sting and what getting punched in the mouth is like.
The other thing is, is that with that, oh, well, not every, I hear that shit all the time.
Grass fat isn't sustainable.
I heard that shit from a woman that's like, well, I'm just trying to lessen my carbon footprint on the earth.
And she works for some environmental agency in Maine or something.
In the meantime, she's infertile and gets all kinds of shit to have two kids and spends thousands or tens of thousands of dollars.
Having a child is one of the most brutal things that you can impact the environment with.
I'm not saying it's bad, all you mothers or whatever, but I'm saying that if nature's not giving you that and for you to force that and force fuck your way into the fucking, into that kind of stream, but be against grass-fed.
But be against grass-fed fucking cows, go fuck yourself.
And when titty bars are getting supported all over the place and dudes are dropping a couple hundred dollars in the titty bar to leave with a boner, I'm pretty sure they could put that into a cow.
And so, like, that whole thing, if you're talking about people that don't want to achieve, it's like a guy came on and he said, Hey, ask Dave, he hit me up on Twitter and he goes, ask about at what cost do you want to optimize yourself?
And I'm like, What's the deficit?
Like, not everybody wants to get better, not everybody wants high performance.
But if I'm start, decay is real.
So, the deficit is death.
The deficit is that I get worse off.
And so, why wouldn't I want to optimize the years that I have and prolong them if I can do it and mitigate any of the detrimental things?
You talk about what the unknown things are that are in the rainforest that are getting cut down.
Like all the different plants that we haven't even classified yet that are being destroyed on a daily basis.
Like there's so much shit on this earth that we don't even know of.
And for the arrogance to come in and say, we need to homogenize all grains, meats, and everything so that we can feed a whole population in 20 years from now at the rate that we're growing and expanding, that's so ridiculous.
And it's such an arrogant viewpoint.
It's coming from such a place of scarcity also.
It's like even consciously in my own life talking about people and what changes are.
And as long as I'm going, I need more, I need this, I need that, I need more money or whatever, when I'm thinking of that way as a kid, it's like there's never enough.
But when I go, I need to make my boss some more money.
Like I need to make this business run better.
When I did that, fucking things grew for me crazy exponentially.
Somebody was giving me a ride from the airport the other day and they're like, oh, well, these podcasts that you do or when you go and speak at schools, Tate, or when you run this, or like, does that stuff give you money?
And I'm like, well, not in a conventional sense, but I guess existentially, perhaps.
But the thing is, is like, I don't want anybody that's after money.
I want people that are after a fucking revolution.
I want people that are after a whole movement that's moving in a positive, progressive manner.
You know what I mean?
And that stuff of that homogenization of America or of the world is not.
It's just creating more borders.
And like David said, if there's a strain that comes up, then that is fucking wiped out.
And now what?
Because I was so arrogant to think that there was scarcity and that I needed to control this and get my grips on it.
Whatever you believe in, it's like so you're just okay with not succeeding and with not showing anybody else behind you how to get better.
It's like when you go on rants and you're talking about, you know, you've got a bunch of mediocre people that have mediocre kids and everybody is mimicking that.
It's like, don't I have a responsibility not only for like whether it's for my fitness or to protect somebody weaker than me or whatever it is, but to be the best that I can be so that you can show the next generation.
It's like when Jesse Owens runs and he's the fastest man in the world until people see that, they go, that's the fastest man.
And then the next year, what?
Somebody's faster.
And now with the internet and the progressiveness of all this, with these ideas, it's crazy to think that I would be anything except optimized.
I think that the idea that there's a separation between us and that is the thing.
And I know you know it's bullshit too.
It's like if we're all vibrating at a higher level of consciousness that is in sync with whatever the universal vibration is, there's not hiccups in the gears.
You know what I mean?
And it's that illusion of separation that keeps us all in this fucking muted state of consciousness that creates road rage, that creates like the idea that I need to control the ocean or the fucking crops or whatever.
Well, also, I think people need to hear from people like yourself or either one of you who have experienced ups and downs and have some idea of what has changed in their life that's been beneficial.
And that way, a person listening can learn without having to go through any of the mistakes that I or you might have made.
I mean, the change that that's made and then that the internet's made.
And Joe, I would have never started a podcast without you going, dude, you've got to make people privy to whatever conversations and madness and enlightenments there are.
And then I thought, too, man, when I was talking to coach a couple weeks ago, I did one with Mr. Greg Jackson that was fantastic.
And I would have never maybe seen Greg again or seen him in passing, but to go and set aside time for conversations with people that you admire and that you revere and that you're like, oh, this is like, fuck, what an opportunity that is.
Well, remember when they there was a guy that there was a guy last year that got charged by the DEA with transporting drugs because he was saying there's a thing in Boulder or somewhere like that where you can do stem cell shit.
And they're saying you're taking your own body across state lines.
That's a fucking federal crime because you're going with the intention of taking your stem cells out.
That's a controlled substance, right?
That's a drug.
And so they fucking charge this poor cocksucker with transporting illegal drugs across state lines because they want to stop that fucking progress.
The company does that, they make like a billion dollars a year off breast cancer genes, and no one else is allowed there unless they say so, because they own the gene.
Imagine there's like a firewall around your DNA and your DNA stores the set of things, your potential.
So there's a firewall and your RNA comes in to copy that DNA.
When it tries to come in and copy the DNA, it can only copy what it can get past the firewall to see.
And the firewall is configured by the environment.
So it turns out your exposome, the set of everything you're exposed to, your emotions, your pollution, your toxins, when you exercise, when you sleep, the quality of your sleep, everything that changes these things.
So you might have a statistically higher chance of getting breast cancer from BRCA1 or BRCA2.
But can you account for that by going to sleep earlier, by eating things that don't contribute to cancer?
Like what are the environmental things you can do to balance risk?
So what Angelina Jolie did is she ignored the things she could do to balance risk as far as we can tell.
I don't know Angelina Jolie.
I've never met her.
But she went ahead and made this relatively drastic decision.
Like I can tell you, there's X amount of chance of me getting arm cancer, but I'm not cutting off my arms, right?
And seriously, the line of thinking that says you amputate things that might get sick instead of monitoring them and doing everything in your power to keep them from getting sick, that seems broken.
And they're getting more and more resilient and more resistant to whatever antibiotics you can get.
But then also, I'd have you think when you think about like the cellular regeneration that happens with cancer in an abnormal form, that shit is completely fed by sugars.
And so like that, that having a low-fat diet and all that is really harmful.
There's a lot of good evidence to eat in certain ways.
So if you're at high risk for breast cancer, you ought not to eat polyunsaturated oils and you ought not to eat sugar, especially fructose.
If you do that, how do we know what percentage reduction you have?
So if you have an 87% increased risk or an 87% risk in entirety, no one's tested what that looks like when you take these other lifestyle things.
And if you did that right, maybe then you monitor and you decide based on your progress whether you're going to have a surgery or you're not going to have it.
But to just kind of reactively do it because of the results of one proprietary gene test, to me, seems kind of scary.
And the fact that this company owns those genes, so I'm not allowed to do my own research on them.
I'm not allowed to have a university do research on them.
But just vis-a-vis the fact that your stem cells are a controlled substance, that you can be sued for walking your body around if you have the intention of doing that testing.
But then the fact that people owning genes or all that, is it outlandish then to think that I wouldn't want to create an illness if I had stocks, say, in this big pharma company, in this grain manufacturer?
I mean, fuck, man, I want to create the problem.
It's like Halliburton.
It's like, of course you want BP to fucking blow itself up in the Gulf because you're the only one that's saying, I can clean this up even if you can't, whatever, and I'm going to fleece the taxpayers.
It's all how can I fucking co-opt to make as much money and double down on this as I can, and I'm going to buy tragedies.
I don't know if people are making diseases, but I know if you gave someone the opportunity to make a disease that would kill a few weak people, but make you a billion dollars, a lot of companies would be down for it.
They would figure out a way to legally make it happen.
Look at the history of the pharmaceutical and chemical companies.
You know where they all came from, right?
Oil companies.
You go back 100 years to like the Chrysler Chemical Company.
They came right out of the oil.
So oil first, then oil split into chemicals and pharmaceuticals.
And these are like the old historical roots.
So companies like Bayer out there that came straight out of oil and chemistry.
So they split into making chemicals, they split into making drugs.
Chemicals make you sick, drugs make you well.
And it's kind of a virtuous cycle.
I'm not saying that there's a conspiracy and that these companies are trading stuff back and forth.
It's an emergent behavior.
Most people actually aren't evil, and most people aren't going to kill someone sitting across from them or even poison a whole country to make money.
A few evil people will.
But the problem is when you make a whole bunch of small decisions to optimize profit, you end up with the American healthcare system, which is more expensive than any other country and produces suboptimal results.
It's not because there's some evil puppet master.
It's just because over time, everyone optimized every micro decision in order to get the most profit instead of the most human wellness.
And when you do that, you end up with mediocrity.
And that's what we're trying to start a revolution against.
There needs to be some complete total transparency as far as what people's actions in terms of companies and corporations and how that affects human beings.
That should be the bottom line.
That should be the true bottom line.
And then we look at profits.
This should be like a real honest and accurate account.
If your laptop costs you $50 less than it would if people weren't jumping off roofs, maybe they should set it up so that you have to pay $50 more for your fucking laptop.
The whole idea is that we're basing it on the assumption that you're a broken being that's coming to a doctor and looking for wellness instead of like that you come from a perfect wellness and how to restore that state.
We're looking to like I've got a friend that's been trying to get off Paxil for three years now.
And every time he goes into the darkest fucking holes and he'll forget parts of his days.
You know, the development of human beings has not really been accurately assessed or really diagrammed.
It hasn't been really engineered in a conscientious, objective, and really positive way where you've looked at what is the best way to optimize being a human being on this planet from the way you think about things to how do you behave and what kind of food you put into your body.
It's really difficult to acquire this kind of information.
dude, I remember riding to the airport with you and going, Jesus, can you imagine being on this slave ship every day, talking about driving down the 405 every day at 9 a.m. or whatever it is?
And it's like those kinds of things.
I was looking at like every industry that I've been in in my adult life, which has been pretty much to try to not have a job.
And I've been pretty good at it, but having a job without having one.
And like I've got like the concrete cowboy is a nightclub in Dallas.
And one of the managers that's there, he's like, you know, all we're doing is the people that are working Monday through Friday, this is what it is.
Like, I can't wait to get out.
And you're causing a distraction.
You're causing an illusion for them to enjoy their life.
And the next Monday and Tuesday, that's what they're talking about is what a great time they had.
By Wednesday and Thursday, I can't wait till I do this again and recreate this.
In my gym in Santa Fe, it's the same kind of thing in a healthy way of like, how can I reduce stress?
How can I enhance lifts?
How can I learn how to strangle people better?
It's like people are getting different skill sets in that way.
But everything is like, how to avoid the life that I have to have so that I can have another life kind of thing.
Or making films is the same way.
I mean, that's the only film.
the film industry, I think in the great depression was the only thing that remained static or maybe went up because people are trying to avoid the horrific fucking existence that they're having.
And so how is it that instead of having a life that I want to escape, I can build in a life that is satisfactory and that I can, Yeah, for sure.
You'll be able to sequence your own genes in your own house in not that much longer.
You look at Moore's Law, how fast the price of this is done.
Early in my career, I was with this program called Double Twist.
They were a customer of this big data center I worked for.
We had a whole floor of a skyscraper in Oakland, and it was just packed with these million-dollar servers to sequence the human genome and to make it go online.
And now for $99, I can get that same thing done for my DNA.
And this isn't, I'm still alive.
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Like this only happened over the last 15, maybe 18 years.
I'm being on a regular basis shocked by how transparent some of these things are, how transparent the connection between Monsanto and money and influencing politicians and different things that are getting snuck through Congress.
And you're hearing about the Monsanto Protection Act or supposedly whatever it's called.
What people are calling the Monsanto Protection Act.
And it's so gross to see corruption so obvious.
It's so flagrant.
It's so gross to see a group of people that are supposedly our leaders that have virtually no inspirational things to say whatsoever.
There's not a single one who ever gets up and says, what we need to do is eat healthy food, drink a lot of water, get a lot of exercise, meditate, and follow your passion.
You need to surround yourself with good people and be good to those people.
Someone's got to figure out a way to make money from telling you the truth.
If they can make the same kind of money, if CNN can make more money by being honest with you than they could about being county and bullshitting and having Anderson Coover in front of a green screen, maybe we would trust them more.
And then he says one month later, I know I said that once and I believe in my heart that it wasn't true, but it turns out that the facts are different than what my heart would like to believe.
It sounds crazy.
But you see that happen with Obama's talk about NDAA in the same speech.
There's not a month apart.
It's like in today's day and age, Reagan would have just never, he would have never thought about that first speech.
He would have just maybe not even made an issue of it.
But here, Obama's saying, this is totally bad.
We'll never do any of these things, but I'm going to sign it in anyway.
And as it becomes more and more transparent, as it becomes revealed more and more how much of a foothold big money and big corporations have in governments all over the world, the more it becomes ridiculous that they don't talk about it.
So they were never really our president.
What they were, were really good at saying the things that we really like to hear while they were being a gangster working for the top dicks in the world.
What do you think about There's a lot of people that are going to Europe, and they're going to Europe for treatments that aren't available in the United States because the United States during the Bush administration had a bunch of wacky fucking restrictions on stem cell research.
So the Europeans got way ahead of what America is doing as far as things with stem cells.
And a lot of professional athletes have been going over there to get these really crazy cutting-edge treatments.
Like Dana White went over there.
They pulled blood from his body, spun it in something, and it incubates for 10 hours, and they pump it back into his body, and it completely cured his Munier's disease.
He goes back again to do it like in a few months, but he's like, what they're doing is like fixing people that have injuries they could never fix before, people with like fucked up backs, like Peyton Manning apparently went over there and got his neck fixed.
I haven't done a lot of specific research on stem cells themselves.
What I do know is that a lot of the things going on with medical interventions in the U.S., it's incredibly slow and hide-bound.
I worked with one of the first companies that had a stick-on cardio monitor.
I designed the whole infrastructure to get the signal off the body onto the cloud so we could analyze it.
And the amount of money that that company had to raise just for compliance for this sort of thing was incredible.
So there's all sorts of really brilliant doctors and naturopaths and other guys who have technologies.
Some of them are anti-cancer, some of them are for obesity, some of them are for rapid healing.
And in order for them to actually do it, if they stand up and say, I'm doing this, they'll lose their license almost immediately because it's an unapproved treatment.
So we have this whole bureaucratic institution that forces people who are really good healers to at least publicly support things that don't work very well.
And they do this, even though maybe at home they're doing something different because until you have these double-blind studies, et cetera, et cetera, it's just very slow.
So what a lot of the new groundbreaking companies, including some of the ones that I advise, what they do is they go overseas.
Because if you go, say, to Europe or better yet to Singapore, you can do amazing things to heal people that are not legal to do in the U.S. and might not be legal for 20 years, and it'll cost you a lot less money.
I mean, my first biohacking conference earlier this year, we had guys running relatively heavy amounts of electrical current over the body in order to increase myelination of the nerves.
And myelinated nerves carry electricity faster and they let you move faster.
Because what he was doing, and you can see it was really dramatic.
In fact, I think that's in the video.
I almost had the videos done for the conference, but I'll put those online.
And what he was doing is he was punching really fast, but then he was pulling back slowly.
So by running electricity and just coaching his form, but when you learn something with the electricity going over your nerves at 500 times a second, your mind thinks you did it 500 times.
Do something 10,000 times to practice it, that kind of effect?
Well, if your mind thinks you did it 10,000 times and you only did it for a little while, you get the practice effect.
So I watched him before.
It was like fast, slow.
And when he was done with this stuff after like two days of this, he was like equally fast going on the jab and then pulling it back.
Yeah, because if you can throw three punches, because you're pulling backwards, he punches however many times in 20 seconds under this, and then now he's punching this many more times in 20 seconds.
They use this device, this little transcranial direct current stimulator thing, to train drone pilots in six weeks instead of three months.
Drone piloting is the most boring job ever.
You stare at a screen for 12 hours, and if you see something that's a target, which happens like once a day if you're lucky, you press a button and then someone dies.
My point being that we do that in other places with innocent people every day.
I wish we had one tenth of the ier that we had when that happened in Boston.
You know what I mean?
It's just like the separation of us as humans that because it happened somewhere else, that all of a sudden we're not responsible or accountable in some way is really.
It's also interesting how we choose to marginalize the numbers.
You remember when the war first started?
I don't know if you remember, but I remember the first deaths that were coming in.
They were telling you about the deaths.
And the reason why they were telling you about the deaths was because our last experience with war was like the craziest Mike Tyson first-round victory ever.
When we fought Iraq, it was literally like we went over there and fucking Mike Tyson them.
We just destroyed them.
Their whole army was gone within a couple of weeks.
And the only people that died, I think there was a couple that had died before the big accident where a Scud missile had hit a base and killed a bunch of people that were all in one area.
Yeah, I think it was, you know, but that was the big loss.
And so I think people anticipated there was going to be the same sort of thing again.
We'd go in there, a few people would die.
Oh, I can't believe they died.
But everybody was in such a 9-11 fervor.
You know, there was everywhere you go, they had American flags were hanging on people's cars.
But then after a while, they stopped telling you about those people.
They just stopped.
The numbers kept piling up, and they just stopped talking about it.
It wasn't like a thing when they were going to tell you every day.
Three Marines died in Afghanistan.
Occasionally you'll see in a little sidebar, but you'll see a big one about some crazy bitch who stabbed her boyfriend.
Or you see another one about some chick who drowned her kid or did this or left a baby in a car.
And they'll just dwell and follow that person to hound him out.
This Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin thing, the divisiveness between the two races and how people are so invested in one side or another being correct.
Fascinating shit, but a massive distraction in terms of the overall population of the human race.
If you look at what the fuck evil shit is going on right now, one questionable death does not merit, I mean, it merits people paying attention to it, but it doesn't merit any more than some people that died because of a drone attack that weren't guilty of anything but being poor and living in Pakistan.
I mean, it occasionally, it's a number that someone will bring up, but no one's like, well, and if you do talk about it, you're labeled a conspiracy theorist or some psychopath.
And it's like, how is me caring about human fucking life?
What are you talking about?
It's like the idea that being a liberal is somehow a bad word.
It's like, it means free thinker.
If you study etymology of fucking words, you dalt.
And on the tip of all that, too, I want to give due credence and respect and thanks to all those people that are there that are put in an intolerable situation, making a decision I wouldn't want to have to make.
And whether it's like my friend Brian Stan, Kicker, Tommy Truex, John Trejo, my cousin Spence Fletcher, all you guys, everybody that's gone and served, thank you so much.
And I'm just glad I've never been in that position and I respect your decision to be on the front lines there because I know that every guy that I know that ever signed up has done so with America and those kinds of ideals of what we've been built on in America in their hearts.
Well, not only that, like, think of the horrible things that people have done in this country.
the horrible things that Dick Cheney probably did.
They put this kid and they locked him in solitary fucking confinement for years for releasing information about something that was clearly wrong that he felt he needed to do.
And if you look at what actually got exposed, well, the things that got exposed, first of all, the names were names that were already released.
That was the only names that they released.
But then the information itself that got exposed is something that people really needed to deal with.
They really needed to deal with the attitudes that those helicopter fighter pilots had about killing those kids that were in, like when they found out there were kids in the van, they're like, well, they shouldn't have brought their kids.
Whoa, man.
That's not what we think of when we think of America.
That shit needs to be exposed.
And if you were a true patriot, you would be happy that that was exposed.
And if you felt like that guy committed a crime, maybe he needs to be prosecuted for some sort of a crime.
But it's not what you're doing to him.
It's not locking him naked for three fucking years without getting to talk to people.
You tell me that's worse than what Bernie Madoff did?
How come Bernie Madoff gets clothes and food and gets to a lawyer?
Like Obama's kill list came out through the New York Times, and there's all these names on there, and they're like, oh, yeah, these two guys that happened to die, they're American citizens.
They're abroad, though.
And we murdered them.
We assassinated them.
However, and we didn't give them due process at all, but we didn't need to because they're off the borders.
Well, then they start doing that in the United States.
You look at that fucking crazy cop that they shot like four other people that they didn't mean to before they burned him alive in the cabin.
You better get those denim stretch jeans on and get working.
But that's the problem, too, with Boston is in that way, in the same way that people are like, he didn't get, and I don't want to argue about whether you need your Miranda rights written and they're in special circumstances, whatever, go fuck yourself.
But the fucking fact is, is that if you're not worried that there's tanks in the street and that there's people that are going with M4s door to door with flat jackets on that can pull you out and need you to comply right now and they can do illegal search and seizure and all that happened because this act happened and that's not terrifying to you, then you're no fucking American.
If your nervous system does stupid shit before you had a chance to notice it happening, which is the reason a lot of these people do stuff, it's happening on automated pilots.
So when you grow up in a shit environment like that, by the time you get to a certain age, in a lot of respects, you're programmed in a terrible way, and it's an incredibly difficult thing to reprogram.
Okay, how does that help you if you're a kid and you're living in the hood and your mentality is all fucked up because you grow up in a really violent environment?
In a study, this was with a group called Brain State.
There's two states in the U.S. that don't have basically publicly owned or say privately owned prisons.
So you have these publicly traded prison companies that run things.
So the two states where they don't have this, these guys went in and they did a test.
And they said, give us 10 hours of neurofeedback on people and let's see what happens.
90% reduction in recidivism.
So they're taking people who are not only in prison, but they're trained in prison to be criminals.
Most criminals go back to prison.
10 hours of being hooked up to a machine, letting their brains fix themselves without even having to do any real conscious effort there changes everything.
I met another girl from an incredibly wrecked family.
Like her whole, she was a First Nations person in Canada.
This is like the local equivalent of American Indians.
Alcoholics in the family, like, you know, relatives with horrible, violent deaths in front of her, like all the things that fuck you up.
One neurofeedback session for seven days, she becomes valedictorian at her school, stops drinking, and completely cleans herself up.
So you can get in at the nervous system level, underneath the conscious thing, and you can undo an enormous amount of damage, and you can build people that are resilient.
So even when bad stuff happens, they don't turn into murdering psychos.
We've got to start doing this stuff for people because we're putting stresses on people that they were never, ever meant to take.
But I mean, it's like, there's, I've got to take care of me, and I've got to take care of my.
It's like my friend, a dear friend that I looked up to, and he got schizophrenia later in life.
And his mom is a woman that helped raise me.
And I've been wanting to go and just thank her and kind of revere her for me being the man I am and her influence in my life.
And she's dying of cancer.
And she's in like a third stage chemotherapy.
And then two weeks ago, on top of all that, this guy that I'd always looked up to and kind of revered, who's got mental problems, man, he lit himself on fire and burned off 85% of his skin, stayed alive for three days afterwards before they pulled the plug.
And with all that, it's like you look at, you know, who are we taking care of now?
He's got four kids, you know, and like, I feel, I don't, I know his oldest boy, but like I feel tremendous responsibility to that community as somebody that I've loved and grown up with.
And so giving to a fund for them, and I'll give every bit I can, whenever I can, but it's like, where do I have responsibility for my community instead of going, where's my government to take care of him?
You know what I mean?
It's like all those kinds of things.
It's like we need to take care of each other in that way.
And that's what I mean, I guess, when I say a heightened responsibility for my community.
The problem is if you grow up in that terrible environment with a bunch of really negative influences and you're programmed in a horrible way, it's super hard to fucking snap out of that.
So let me bring up some coffee stuff because people on my message board.
One of them says both OA studies found an incidence rate of approximately 50% for the OA.
Please stop that.
For the incident, for the approximately 50% for the OA producing mold at wildly different concentrations, minimum of O2 ppb in one study and a maximum of 7.8 ppb in another.
This tells me anything, if this tells me anything at all, it's that you should probably vary your source if you want to minimize your risk.
Neither the FDA or the EFSA actually has a legal limit for OA, but the EFSA, whatever the fuck these things are, suggests a limit of 8, it looks like a U, 8 UG, KG, which means that even the worst samples are below the very conservative legal limit.
Okratoxin, which actually is regulated by the FDA and has a maximum of 20 ppb.
This study also showed that approximately 50% incident rate after roasting, with the highest concentration of AT being 16 kg for decaf, less with caffeine.
So that means with any random cup of coffee, you have up to a 50% chance of consuming an amount of AT that's still well below the FDA limit.
And that's nearly zero risk.
It says none of the studies test the rate of the mold growth on beans while storage under various conditions, temperature, humidity, et cetera.
So we can't comment on what happens in storage.
I guess if you really want to be on the safe side, only buy as much coffee as you think you can use in a week or two.
Conclusion, it says don't believe, this is just what it says.
Don't believe everything that people tell you, especially people with something to sell unless you're drinking gallons of coffee a day, gallons of coffee a day.
Let me put you answer on the science of it is that all I know is like from anything, whether it's a paleo diet, a primal diet, a zone diet, or whatever, is only because I've read that.
And if I've only read it, all I have is talking points.
But I've been my own experiment with all these things.
And what I do notice, and one of the most telling things when I got Bulletproof Coffee, is that when you asked me, do you sometimes feel, or you didn't ask me?
I mean, you were talking about it from an anecdotal standpoint, which is, I know it helped you, and I enjoy bulletproof coffee, but we got to answer this.
So what he's talking about during stored storage of coffee, he was a little confused because it's storage of green coffee where problems might happen.
And controlled humidity levels in green coffee matter enormously.
That's why, for instance, Indonesian coffee, which tastes really good, has problems because it's stored with higher humidity.
They even age it there.
So stuff does happen in green coffee.
But what's happening is actually happening during the process that turns it into green coffee.
There's another set of toxins that come during the transport of coffee, which is why how the coffee is bagged on the big container ships actually affects what comes out of the roaster at the other end.
Now, this guy is relying on the FDA to tell him the safe amount of aflatoxin to take.
Now, that's a decision he may choose to make.
Frankly, I don't really trust the FDA to keep my best interests at heart.
The FDA is also basically judging economics and safety.
This is the same FDA that tells you that aspartame is perfectly safe and healthy for you, which is complete bullshit.
So, okay, now the point is, somehow it's binary.
If you have this level, it's unsafe.
If you have this level, it's perfectly safe.
That is not how biology works.
So, if your coffee has a level down here versus a level down here, what's the difference?
The difference is human performance and how you feel.
And how do I measure that?
Well, we looked at a computerized cognitive battery and had people do a washout.
And we had 54 people in this study, and they tried my coffee, which has zero detectable mycotoxins, and other coffee, which has under the safe limit.
And okay, what happened?
Well, we had better cognitive performance when they had coffee that had fewer toxins in it.
The idea that it's somehow safe to have this level, but not this level is not correct.
So, but this is just you stating by your test that it's not correct, because it is correct that some substances, you can take a little bit of it and be fine and take a large dose of it and be dead.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I just want to be clear.
So what you're saying is that even a small amount, although your body may be able to handle it, your body's processing it, it still impedes performance.
What you're going to feel is you're going to feel anxiety.
And I get lots of people who just gave up coffee like I did because they felt crappy when they drink it, who can drink perfectly clean coffee because different people have different sensitivities.
And the other thing that this guy hasn't talked about with his numbers, and this is well established in toxicology, is that there's a synergism between mycotoxins.
So if you're getting X amount of aflatoxin, X amount of ocrotoxin, X amount of xeralinone all together, that they have a synergistic effect greater than the level of each one of them.
So I test for all those in my beans, and there's zero detectable any of them.
And that's because the process that I engineered to create the beans themselves doesn't allow for their formation.
All these other companies that are selling mycotoxin, like I saw one website that actually praised your idea for bulletproof coffee, which is your own invention based on, what is it, tea that you drank with butter?
You want to put magnesium chloride, which is actually like the salt of magnesium, because that absorbs through the skin differently.
You see that magnesium oil they market like at health food stores?
That's just super saturated magnesium chloride.
So add some of that.
But let's go back to adrenals.
I'll hook you up with that magnesium chloride, just the chemical stuff.
You can buy pounds of the stuff and just put some of that in there too.
So when you're getting your magnesium, you'll get sulfate and chloride and both channels will get in.
So with adrenals, I know that mycotoxins increase cortisol levels.
They are a poison.
When you are poisoned, your stress levels go up, which stresses your adrenal glands.
This is like pretty basic stuff.
So maybe higher doses of mycotoxins create more adrenal stress, lower doses create less.
So having coffee without toxins in it, if you have adrenal problems, seems to be okay.
I have lots and lots of people on the forums who are in up to stage three adrenal fatigue, who have one cup of upgraded beans, you know, the mycotoxin-free coffee, and they do very well.
They recover.
I've been in stage three adrenal fatigue multiple times, and I still use a cup of coffee.
I've tried going without coffee, I've tried going with it.
And the bottom line is: if you're doing it responsibly, I think doing it with the fat, which actually lowers your stress level when your body has adequate food and adequate nutrition like that, I think is at least a wash, and it's probably not harmful.
But if you have adrenal fatigue, like real, like I'm bedridden sort of stuff, you probably ought not to be using anything with caffeine.
What would be a way that you could do a test on coffee to find out with X amount of people, what sort of a control would you need to do a test on people and ensure that they get a certain amount of mycotoxins in their coffee and then ensure that they get none?
I would contribute coffee to a study like that, although I don't know where to get aflatoxin guaranteed certified level coffee.
One of the problems that we have with coffee is if you buy a container load of coffee, there can be a hot spot.
The back of the container had a leak, right?
So now you get like this much of the container has mycotoxins in it and the rest doesn't.
And this is one of the reasons that the small style roasting that I'm doing works.
If you go up to like, you know, the massive coffee conglomerate level where you're mixing like a whole bunch of container loads together and you're homogenizing it, you're getting the average level down, but you're guaranteeing the presence of toxins.
There's a whole chapter in this book on what mycotoxins do to animals.
We actually test animal feed.
When animals are pregnant, they buy special food without mycotoxins in it because when they feed mycotoxin grain and hay and alfalfa to animals, they spontaneously lose their pregnancies and they can't get pregnant.
Like we know what these do to animals, but for those same things, we don't even have levels set for humans for some humans.
Well, I think we would get a good sample is if you randomly tested 50 places in this country, just went into a place and bought a coffee, and then wrote the day, the time, where it came from, whether it was coffee bean, whether it was Pete's, whatever it is, mom and pop coffee shop.
And let's find out.
I mean, that's obviously not good enough scientifically to prove across the board.
This is a back-end industrial supply issue with coffee.
So there's one of the very large coffee conglomerates has a giant research facility with 70 scientists working on this now.
And in Europe, they've had to change the way they buy green coffee because now they make the people who buy the green coffee from the coffee growers.
So there's a growing production process, there's a coffee broker, and the coffee broker buys it.
But if they don't arrange for proper transportation, the coffee can actually develop mycotoxins in transportation.
So what's happening now is that the roasters in the supply chain there are actually forcing the brokers, who never had to be responsible for this before.
In Europe, they're forcing the brokers to take on that risk.
And it's changing a lot of the whole part of coffee over there.
But we haven't had that happen here.
On top of that, according to the last research I've seen, Starbucks has $816 million worth of coffee in storage that they're working on.
So now if we're going to do a sample of $816 million worth of coffee just for Starbucks, and I'm not picking on Starbucks, there's lots of giant coffee companies who buy all kinds of coffee.
Some is moldy, some is not moldy.
They mix it all together.
So like, which samples are we going to get?
And if we ask them for samples, I wonder if we'll get the freshest, nicest stuff or not.
I want to give you a little bit of vindication because someone else on the board, a dude named Aquib, found some studies that found 52% to 91% of green coffee beans are contaminated with mycotoxins.
And this is from NCBI.
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I know that study, National Coffee Brewers Board something.
Cholesterol, if you don't have oxidized cholesterol and you don't have inflammation in your body, having cholesterol is not a risk factor the way we've been taught it is.
People who have high levels of unoxidized cholesterol, when they're exposed to poisons, they live a lot longer because your body uses cholesterol to escort toxins out of the body through the biliary system in the liver.
Cholesterol was one of the first things we could measure in blood.
So we've been focusing a lot of research on it since about, what, the 30s?
But the Gary Tobbs type of people, as well as a huge body of research in the last couple of years, have come out really seriously questioning this.
If you have adequate amounts of high-density cholesterol, the HDL, which you do if you eat this kind of bulletproof diet stuff, oh, sorry, I don't know what else to call it.
And my LPPLA2, which is the one I'd worry about the most, is very low, and I don't have that number memorized.
LPPLA2 is a measure of protein damage inside your arteries.
If you don't have high LPPLA2, if your homocysteine is low, which is a marker of inflammation.
Of course it is.
It takes six weeks on this diet for people to just crater it out.
Right?
And then your C-reactive protein and homocysteine are the other big markers of inflammation.
So you get those guys where they should be.
And having cholesterol that isn't oxidized is actually good for you.
If you're taking your eggs and you're making like well-cooked omelets out of them and you're cooking the yolks to death, you're oxidizing that cholesterol And that's inflammatory.
At the end of the day, or you should be eating raw eggs?
This is somebody that's just wanting to put information out there.
Don't be mad at that.
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