Aubrey Marcus recounts ayahuasca visions—death, a silver dragon exposing ego-driven activism, and an eagle teaching perspective-shifting—that he believes reveal deeper truths about human consciousness. Comparing psychedelics to ancient religious encounters like Moses’ burning bush (possibly DMT-rich acacia) or Egyptian art’s recurring motifs, Rogan and Marcus debate whether these experiences stem from external dimensions or the mind’s own creative power, while critiquing modern societal pressures—monogamy, financial stress, and tech overload—as artificial productivity traps. Rogan warns of combat sports’ hidden brain damage risks, citing unregulated MMA deaths and fighters like Marvin Eastman collapsing years after trauma, before pivoting to Onnit’s nootropics (Alpha Brain now with L-tyrosine and Phosphatidylserine) and supplements, framing them as tools for mental resilience in an increasingly fragmented world. [Automatically generated summary]
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Guess what?
You're not killing Joey Diaz with 1,500 pounds.
Joey Diaz laughs at your 1,500 pounds.
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Yeah, I think there's a certain amount of information that needs to kind of accumulate, and you need to get farther off track for your experience to be really...
Well, that's what the people say that are real skeptics.
They'll say, what information?
What has anybody ever brought back?
There is some anecdotal evidence that some things have been discovered while on LSD, and supposedly Francis Crick on his dying deathbed said that LSD was...
I can give you three things from this last experience that were pretty poignant life lessons that were told to me just directly, flat out, that I think will help me for the rest of my life.
I mean, actual concrete things.
This was a very different experience, and I don't know if I should just go from the start or kind of hop into the middle here.
Yeah, I mean, the second experience I had, the first one was just basically coming to terms with my own mortal death.
I mean, every possible way I could die, snakes eating out my organs, sliding down vines of thorns, every possible way that I could confront my death, I had to go through.
But at that point, I had to be like, okay, you know, if this is the end, so be it.
And as soon as that happened...
I could feel, you know, the medicine just kind of draw me back down into the ground and a deep sense of peace and a kind of conquering of a fear of suffering that I had.
And I've had some psilocybin experiences and some other different experiences that seem very much like an exploration on a ride through my own subconscious.
Like going through the dream state, processing bad emotions, bad feelings.
But something particular about the DMT experience and the Iboga experience transcends that kind of feeling like you're on a ride through dreamland, you know, that really is your own mind.
It felt completely different because I was so lucid.
I was so able to just navigate through a different space where only the shaman was sharing that space.
The rest of the people around me We're just these spindles of light that I could kind of see through.
And I had full options to do whatever I want.
I even ran back to my cabin and shot a little video where I looked really kind of weird and a little bit freaked out.
But I was like, I had to capture that moment because I was worried that I was going to forget it.
I think what DMT does is it opens up the other dimensional realms where there's knowledge and information that wants to come and access your brain.
You want to receive information from those other dimensions and how it comes to you is generally There's a translation gap.
There's no Rosetta Stone there, so it comes through generally as pictures, and these pictures can often be very confusing, but it's Really trying to translate information that your brain wants to get access to.
And the only way it knows how to do that is to show you pictures.
So you explore these pictures and find answers from what I believe is either the collective unconsciousness of all people or another dimension that's even higher, that's beyond people, that transcends people, that's a wisdom older than people.
And I think that's kind of where you're accessing this information.
I think there's also some component of your own mind and consciousness, but I think DMT in particular is a pretty unique molecule that really allows access from some other spaces that are non-self-generated.
Look, consciousness is created by chemicals, okay?
You need all these different chemicals in order for a human being to have a mind that's functioning.
And this consciousness of the human mind has manifested a physical reality that is almost impossible to imagine.
When you think of airplanes and the internet and television and fucking giant buildings and shit, these all come from chemicals.
Chemicals have produced chain reactions.
They've produced, they've set into motion a chain of events that have fucking eaten every fish out of the ocean, polluted everything, you know, figured out how to drop bombs that incinerate a half a million people at a time.
I mean, this has all come from chemicals.
So why would we be tripped out that the idea that you introduce a different chemical and you literally change dimensions?
Yeah, and I think also collectively we learn from each other's experiences.
I know that, you know, when I have had friends that have tripped and came back and had a different perspective on themselves, you know, just absorbing their story and absorbing their experience and then you have your experience compounded with The information that they kind of gave you about their experience, and it all builds up together.
When you're just by yourself alone in a fucking cabin in Vermont, and you're tripping your fucking balls off with nobody to talk to, you know?
What was that movie, Into the Wild?
Is that what it was?
Where the kid goes up to Alaska, and one of his big things is he realizes he can't have fun.
Unless he is with other people.
You can't enjoy your life unless you're with other people.
And, you know, we were talking earlier about people who are on antidepressants, like what number of people are on antidepressants and how weird it is when you're around someone who's loopy on antidepressants.
And you're like, I wonder how much of our brain is just fucking designed to be a hunter and gatherer.
And despite the fact that we've evolved way, way past that societally, the physical body is slow as shit to catch up to technology.
I read a book by Bertrand Russell called Conquest of Happiness, and he was a preeminent kind of 19th or 20th century philosopher.
And in that book, he describes...
Like a gardener that they had.
And this gardener, he said, was one of the examples of the happiest people he's ever seen.
And he lived in a very affluent kind of British society.
And he said one of the reasons his keys to happiness was every day he went out and his job was to hunt rabbits.
Because the rabbits would tear up the gardens.
So that was his daily challenge that he got to do.
And every morning he woke up and he was like, those goddamn rabbits, I'm gonna fucking get them.
And that for him was all he needed to every day have that challenge and have the ability to meet it and feel like he was making a difference.
That's what made him happy.
So similar to your mountain man, He goes out and he goes after those animals and he has that challenge against nature, challenge to catch the animals, and then come back and get it.
And I think that makes him happy.
But these people who have these jobs that feel like they're completely meaningless, like what are you doing?
What are you creating?
It's monotonous.
It's the same day.
It's not a challenge anymore.
You're just clocking in.
I think that makes it even more difficult to maintain happiness.
If you're going to be in that kind of situation, there's a lot of people that are.
Well, if you do, you better get out and fucking camp on the weekends and go find nature again.
Because that's part of what I think is another key.
Probably why your mountain man is so happy.
Because he's connecting with the natural world, which I think is another big key.
So you better go out and fucking camp on the weekends.
And every 6 to 12 months, You know, I believe that a psychedelic reset can be extremely valuable, can kind of purge all of these kind of negative emotions that you felt.
And then you can kind of go do your job and check out and live for other things.
Live for your girlfriend, for your workout that you have at the end of that.
And when you hear the shit with the raids and stuff, if you look at the shit, like the why they got raided, it's because they were operating without a license.
Well, Obama said that he was only going to go after people that were violating both state and federal law.
That's what they said at first, but they've since not lived up to that.
Because that Oaksterdam place wasn't violating state law.
They're just...
They gotta keep busy.
And it's an easy way to arrest people and not get shot.
Go try and raid the meth lab with such confidence.
You step into a fucking meth lab, dude.
You might get shanked.
There might be a dude hanging by his heels from the ceiling ready to drop on a cop because that's what he does because he's methed out all day and he's got a knife in his teeth.
Yeah, you don't want to do that.
Kicking in a meth lab is dangerous.
They'll throw a grenade at you and blow it up right in front of them.
They're fucking methed out.
They don't know what they're doing.
The cops, when they go and break out a medical marijuana store, it's like you might as well be arresting babies.
Nobody's fighting back.
Meanwhile, the cops are smashing the cameras and shit.
The whole thing's disgusting.
If this was a CVS pharmacy, right down the street, you would never think about doing that.
Meanwhile, those motherfuckers are dispensing Oxycontins on the regular.
People are coming in every day that are stone-cold opiate junkies.
And CVS is just keeping them alive, keeping them alive, and giving them bottles of pills.
And some of them they smash and snort, and some of them they smoke, and some of them they just take.
Well, the idea that you could be growing lettuce and I can come along and say, you can't grow lettuce.
If there was only two of us, that would be so ridiculous.
You're like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Get away from me.
I'm growing some lettuce.
If there was only two of us, it would be nuts.
But if there's 300 million of us, you can come up to me and say, you can't grow marijuana.
I'd be like, what are you talking about?
Why are you telling me what to do, ever?
Well, the only reason why it seems like you should be allowed to tell somebody what to do is when there's You represent some giant group of people.
Like, there's a bunch.
And so this bunch has decided they don't like you doing this.
And they haven't even decided it, by the way.
You know, it's like, what it is is a bunch of, a giant group of people who are making money from other things and are worried that you're gonna take away some of their profits with this plant that you want to grow.
So they go and they pay off the cops.
And they literally do.
They give them money.
And then they give politicians money.
They give it to them.
They give them millions of dollars.
And they say, we want to make sure that this position is supported.
They'll pull you out and beat you if you have a roach in your ashtray, but they'll look at your papers and go, what do you got, enough Oxycontin in there to kill a fucking country?
I always thought it would be a good skit by some enterprising pioneer to take a cop out to a cow pasture and find a magic mushroom that's growing in the cow pasture and walk with the cop and just find the exact point where it becomes illegal.
To touch something that's growing out of the ground.
Yeah, but I guess, you know, there's some, the two promising fields, there's some pretty good research coming out.
Johns Hopkins had that one on psilocybin, that was good.
MAPS is doing some good work, some other people are doing good work, but then the Church of Santa Dime won a big case For ayahuasca as a medical, I mean as a religious sacrament.
So that's kind of another angle that's kind of allowing some of these medicines to get in through a loophole.
Because you're allowed, I know the Native American church already got peyote approved.
And then this Church of Santo Daime, or either them or the EDV, I don't know.
There was a shaman down in the area that we were at who does that, who combines, who blends Christianity with the traditional jungle beliefs of ayahuasca.
So the beings that he's talking to, sometimes it's spirit of mother ayahuasca or whatever, and other times it's straight sweet baby Jesus that he's trying to talk to, and that actually throws some people off.
I definitely prefer my shaman to be straight jungle beliefs rather than a Christian.
Well, that really begs the question then, what's going on?
What's going on?
Is Jesus real or is everything you can imagine real?
And is your imagination concocting all this shit?
And is the imagination sort of being underestimated or downplayed or maybe mischaracterized?
You know, we look at the imagination as something that creates some bullshit, something that's not real, something that creates things that are imaginary.
You're making it up.
They don't exist.
But maybe it's much more complicated than that.
Maybe the imagination is a reality-creating frequency.
Maybe it's something that actually...
I mean, out of the imagination comes everything, right?
That's true.
This fucking computer didn't exist until somebody imagined it and then made it.
Like a vortex and it's kind of swirled with some different colors purple and it's just kind of waiting there for me.
So I was like, well, I guess maybe I should ask something to come through it because nothing really was happening.
So I'm looking and I was like, alright, I'd like to be, you know, if anything's out there on the other side, you know, please come to me.
And I say that to myself in my head.
And then bursting through comes this huge dragon.
Like this giant, the dragon head was just ten feet right in front of me.
And it was a silver dragon in the kind of medieval stylings, and it had fluorescent green and blue highlights, and smoke was coming out of his nose, and he was clearly a fire-breathing type of dragon.
And he comes right up to me, and he goes, So you want to change the world?
And I go, yes.
And he goes, why?
And he's like flaming coming out of his mouth.
And I was like, because that's what I'm here for.
And he goes, and laughs.
And for whatever reason, I decided to take him like never ending story.
And then right there he like shows me a cross-section of my life and all my actions.
And what he showed me was is that even though ostensibly I do a lot of things to help people, there's always a serious component of propping myself up, my own ego, my own persona, my own kind of establishing my own self in the world for, you know, egoistic and pride reasons.
And he just showed me this, like, lucidly clear, you know, that there was a mixture of my actions, you know, and he wanted to...
Yeah, and he wanted to have me be aware of where that boundary line lie and not to trick myself or confuse myself in thinking that, you know, what I was doing wasn't also for my own benefit.
I was like...
All right, dragon.
Like, one point for you.
So then we keep cruising, and he starts to really get heated in the mouth.
Like, flame was trickling out, and he goes, what do you want to destroy?
And he, like, swoops down, and I was sure he was ready to just fuck some shit up.
So I was like, ignorance!
And I thought he was just going to lay the ground with fire.
And instead he goes, shouldn't that be what you want to heal?
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And I was like, yep, I guess you're right, dragon.
So he was really challenging me in these answers that I gave him, which was a pretty interesting kind of experience for this other entity to be clearly showing me different sides and teaching me things that I clearly wasn't quite aware of.
And the bear is kind of struggling, and I see kind of like a ghost of the bear, like the spirit of the bear, and it's trying to leave the bear's body.
It's trying to like venture out, but it's stuck.
And then the bear catches sight of me.
And that's another crazy thing about seeing these beings.
It's like the bear turns to look at me and notices me.
It's not like he was waiting for me there.
He's like, oh, here you are.
You just showed up.
So he turns to me and he goes, I remember.
Before this crown and all these chains when I was just a bear and I could run free in the woods.
And I was like, okay, okay, I get it.
And basically what he was trying to tell me was, is that, you know, don't ever let money and wealth or anything tie you down and like keep you from your freedom and expressing what your real nature is.
And it's really kind of like a Buddhist sentiment.
It sounds like such a noble task when you're poor.
The real problem is once you actually get money.
You know, one of the big things that happens to people when they get money is they're scared of not having money.
So they start doing things they think like...
Especially, I see this with comics, they start saying things they think people want to hear, or they start avoiding any sort of controversy that might get them in trouble, or moving away from anything that might be controversial because they want to keep this money coming in.
And then the final visitation from this being is I was cruising through the forest like hopping over logs.
It was very like Robin Hood cartoon style, you know.
Little John and Robin Hood through the forest type of program.
And then all of a sudden I see an eagle up in the sky.
And I raise my consciousness to the eagle.
It was really like a dream state.
So anything's possible.
So I just kind of float up to the eagle.
And the eagle looks at me.
And I'm cruising along.
And the eagle says, do you know how I see so well?
And I said, no.
He says, because I see through everybody else's eyes.
And I took a moment to sink in, and what he was showing me there was that all so often when we try and imagine what people are thinking or feeling, we have our own bias.
We don't actually truly see through their eyes.
Like, imagine what their fears and motivations and weaknesses.
Even the people that we don't like, we always see them with this kind of biased look, like, oh, that dude's a fucking idiot.
But if we really try to get into their eyes, you can learn something about that person and learn something about the world by actually dropping all of your kind of own ego and really assuming the eyes of whatever else you're trying to look at, whether it's an animal or a person or something like that.
And too many people have their own take on what's funny and what's not.
It's like what happens when you get a television show, and then you get a whole slew of producers that have an opinion over what the character should be doing and what's funny and what's not funny.
Then it almost always goes to shit.
I mean, until one strong voice sort of takes over.
It's very hard to express your own sense of humor.
But try to express the sense of humor of a bunch of other fucking people.
I find that those themes reoccur with me over and over again just when I eat pot.
Those themes.
The themes of reality.
What's your real motivation when you're doing things?
What's your real experience with other people?
How much of disputes do you have with people?
How much of it is your fault?
So I would think that if you take a hallucinogen, I'm sure you have the same thoughts.
If you try to better yourself, if you're trying to move your life in a more positive direction, you're going to have the same sort of key stumbling roadblocks, I think, in the mind.
How much of my ego is holding me back?
How much of my perception of reality is distorted and that's holding me back?
I don't mean that in any disrespectful way at all, but one of the things that I feel most certainly when I do DMT or something along those lines is that I'm a fucking idiot.
Do you think those crazy homeless people that are sitting there talking, having full-on conversations with dragons, do you think there's a big connection to actually feeling that and seeing that and opening your brain up to that guy?
It's a real good question, really, and you'd be disingenuous to not address it.
Because I think, what we said before, what's going on with those people in our medical idea, the medical community's version of it, is that there's an imbalance, a chemical imbalance, they have issues, they have whatever it is, they're psychotic, they're paranoid schizophrenic, whatever the diagnosis is, we're going out on a limb and saying there's some sort of chemicals that are out of whack there.
Well, the brain's just a soup of chemicals.
It's neurotransmitters, receivers, whatever the fuck the brain itself is, the neurons, all of it together, mushing around.
If one of those is out of whack, you know, and one of those is out of whack because you're crazy, or one of those is out of whack because you're at a hut in the fucking jungle, and you took some crazy shit, which is a soup of some roots that fucking...
Blow your neurotransmitter levels out of the water.
Like, this shit's coming out of your ears.
I mean, what's really happening there is that it might not be much different than what that guy's experiencing at the bus stop.
Well, certainly, your brain, a healthy brain, can bring you back to baseline on a DMT flash in 15 minutes.
Ayahuasca is a little longer because it's absorbed by the stomach and so it's sort of a slower process.
What ayahuasca is is an orally active version of dimethyltryptamine, which is the most powerful psychedelic drug known to man, which is also produced by your own brain.
That's the weirdest part about it is that it's in all these different plants.
It's like in grass and all these fucking leaves and squirrels make it.
Well, that was one of the things they say about the idea of the psychedelic experience is that When you're taking it, you're taking in the experiences of all the other people who have also experienced a psychedelic drug.
And as you do mushrooms, you are actually contributing to the library of mushroom experiences.
And that's what they believe was the burning bush.
This is scholars believe this.
Legitimate guys who aren't even psychedelic scholars, because those are slippery scholars, those psychedelic scholars.
Some of them are a little sketchy.
But there's a recent thing where these guys from some major university in Jerusalem were talking about how they believe that Moses receiving the Ten Commandments from God and God taking the form of the burning bush was most likely a bush that contained psychedelic chemicals.
That's where Gordon Wasson first found out about it and all these different shamans in Mexico take people on these journeys to the spirit world using these fucking dinner plate sized mushrooms.
That's one interesting thing about the psychedelics that make it seem like it's not your mind.
Like someone can take ayahuasca.
Anywhere in the world.
The desert, the mountains, the city, whatever.
And they're almost always going to have similar visions of snakes and the jungle and these different beings.
Jaguars.
Jaguars.
Always goes back to the jungle.
You know, how is that possible if it's just solely being mind created?
It seems like that's where it gets weird.
And that's why even with these beings, like, you know, I was laughing with Mitch Schultz.
I was talking to him the other day.
Yeah.
And we're saying, you know, if the LeBron James of ayahuasca came along, he could go to these entities and figure out what they do when they're not teaching people shit, you know, if they're real.
Because whenever they appear, they're always trying to teach you something or tell you something.
Like, what are they doing?
Do they, like, hang out and play around, like, play board games?
Or, like, what do they do in their life?
Like, how do you get...
To that point where you can experience more than just taking a lesson.
And that would be the way to determine whether these are just ways that your mind is communicating with itself or whether these things have a life outside of this didactic purpose that they have.
You know how you can, like, if you listen to your inner conscious talking, and imagine the drug just slows down your ability to receive your inner conscious voice.
You know, I think one of the first DMT trips that I had, one of the weirdest feelings about it all was that the idea of being connected to everything sounds like such fucking hippie bullshit.
It sounds like nonsense.
You know, to say, we are here, but we are connected to everything.
It's, I'm not feeling that, you know, I don't, I know that that might be real, but for whatever reason, I don't really feel that.
I don't feel the subatomic particles, I don't feel the atom, I don't feel the cell, I don't, I just feel me.
And I know that I'm breathing air, but I don't feel the fact that the air is connected to all these, it's all a soup of things.
But when you have the DMT experience, one of the things that it does is it strips...
Whatever you're experiencing while you're tripping your balls off, it strips away the physical presence of things.
And it's almost like the world of, you know, here's the ground, and here's the air, and here's a tree, and here's a building.
That world is replaced by a world where nothing has any matter.
Nothing has any physical matter, but everything is everywhere.
Everything is everywhere, and you're in the middle of it, and there's no ends, and there's no beginning, there's no roof, there's no floor.
It's just one thing.
It's all a part of one thing, and you're in there scrambling, trying to make sense of it, and these things come out of nowhere that are essentially constantly changing as you're watching them, so you're not even sure what the fuck it actually is.
Actually, just speaking about what you were saying, so the third time I drank...
I didn't have any particularly crazy visions, but for three hours, the hut that I was in, everything else melted away, and I felt myself dissolve into the floor of the jungle.
The bugs and the worms were crawling through me.
It was like I was no longer a physical being.
And I was absolutely one with the jungle.
And I was asking, I was like, hey, does the dragon want to show up?
And then the whole time, even to this day, I mean, the best explanation I had was maybe it had something to do with like the feminine energy of the moon, but I don't fucking know.
I have no clue if that had any meaning at all, or if it was just some random trip.
It doesn't bother with the pictures of this strange moon and this purple orb.
It'll be like, yo, this is the truth, and it's in kind of your own voice.
But ayahuasca will give you things.
I mean, some things were very poignant and...
It taught me a lesson, like the things with the allies, but there's all these other visions that you're left like, what the fuck was that?
So it can be a challenge in some of that regard.
But the physical experience you feel, how connected you feel, how cleansed you feel, because afterwards, After that third session, he took one of his cigarettes, the nicotinia rustica cigarettes, and he blew it down my spine and on the top of my head and in different key parts.
I wasn't even that nauseous that whole time, the third time.
I felt very comfortable.
I got back to the room and just fucking lost it.
I felt like I was heaving some giant ball of something from the depths of my soul.
I don't know what was going on.
It hit my mouth so hard that I exploded vomit from my mouth and my nose.
And there's nothing worse than stomach acid and old ayahuasca blasting out of your nose at the same time.
And at the same time, my eyes are watery.
I can hardly see.
There's no electricity in the bathroom because they run the generator like three hours.
So then I have to turn around and blast some shit in the toilet too.
And it's like this brutal, savage cleanse.
And that somehow it seemed triggered by...
Whatever kind of cigarette cleansing thing he did the next day.
Because I saw him the next morning and he just had this big smile on his face.
And he asked me in his broken English and Spanish, you know, how was last night?
And I was like...
What the fuck, man?
He's like, tobacco.
And just nods and laughs and pats me on the back and keeps walking.
It's like, I've never heard of anybody that has had like a real deep psychedelic journey that didn't come back and go, well, I gotta fucking rethink everything.
I've never, I don't know anybody that has.
A real one.
Yeah.
You know, and if you don't, Jesus Christ, what fucking hope is there for you?
I mean, you think about you're tripping your balls off on ayahuasca and certain people are seeing Jesus.
And then other people are seeing jaguars.
They're seeing things they're scared of or things that they revere.
I'm not convinced that the imagination only has the power to create things and then manifest them in the real world with actions.
It might have a secondary power.
It might have an actual power of creation.
I don't know what the fuck happens when you leave my house.
I'm pretty sure you get in your car and you go to your life and you go and do your thing and hang out with your girlfriend and get in your car and I'm pretty sure you do the same thing.
But I'm not positive.
I'm not really positive about any of this.
And I'm not positive that as you move in a certain direction that, you know, you're the same person every step of the way.
You're the same you.
There might be an infinite number of yous with every single decision you make branches off into another you and another way and another version and another reality and all these realities intertwine with each other and then we meet.
That's why sometimes when you run into someone, it's like, you've been on a path, and you've been on a journey, and this motherfucker has been on a different thing.
Not the same as you, less self-objective, less self-analytical, and maybe self-destructive.
And then you're around them, it's like, how did I ever hang out with you?
We live in a different world.
You kind of do.
Maybe you kind of do live in a different world.
Maybe the idea that time is this one flat, linear thing that we're all sort of living our lives in, in this one sort of band.
Maybe that's not real.
Maybe it's just like the DMT dimension.
Maybe it's just a fucking great big giant soup of potential universes that are constantly shifting.
And we just flip back and forth from one to the other and move through them.
I mean, I particularly like the paradigm that the shamans have there, in which case they describe all of these different dimensions as the layers of an onion, and each person as a toothpick that pierces all the different layers of the onion.
And so that you're occupied in your consciousness on the first tangible layers, which encompass the first through the fourth, space and time, basically.
That's what you're conscious of.
And then the fifth part of the toothpick is you move up to another layer.
That's the dream state.
That's the collective consciousness.
And then the sixth and seventh dimensions, those have the disembodied non-human entities that you interact with.
Like the floats that I found were from the seventh.
They would call the dragon and these other things that you see, you know, the people singing you child songs.
Those are beings of the sixth dimension.
And then the eighth dimension is this kind of oversight dimension where you can actually manipulate all the dimensions beneath it and see everything.
It's like the highest vantage point where you can see the dimension of imminent possibility where you can basically do what you're saying with your imagination, believe things into reality from the eighth dimension.
And that's where they say they got the idea to create ayahuasca and they get these messages and these different herbal treatments and it's from these 8th dimension teachings that they have.
But again, I think there hasn't been enough of that, but it's because there's not enough fucking people who have the skills able to do that to also not only get there, but then communicate the idea to a mass market.
I mean, it's just such a limited swath of people who are able to access that dimension, A. And then B, to have that, to cross-section that with the amount of people who could then think of something, bring something back and express it, it starts to get really small numbers.
It's so funny how many people who are productive members of society, who are interested in personal growth, who are all disciplined, getting their shit done, would never consider doing drugs to further themselves.
You know, I watched the Ray Kurzweil documentary, Transcendent Man.
Have you seen that one?
And it occurred to me, you know, he's always looking for these different technologies to answer some two basic questions.
One, he wants to conquer death.
And two, he wants to kind of revive his father's memory.
I mean, those are big overriding forces.
He also has a lot of altruistic goals, and he's an absolute genius, no doubt about it.
But he's overlooking some very basic technologies that have been around forever.
And these technologies are the psychedelics.
I really truly believe that you can look at those as a technology.
And the technology of ayahuasca can get him over his fear of death and show him that there is an eternal part of him and everybody that's going to extend past this meat sack that we're currently walking around in.
But he's ignoring that technology because he's bought into the lie that this is a drug and this is bad.
And the Iboga technology could get him direct access to the memories of his father.
So even if he wasn't really talking to his father, I haven't made up a decision as to whether you're actually accessing these people or just conversing with their memory, he's at least going to be able to access the memories that he's trying to bring back through technology.
He'll be able to access them, he'll be able to communicate with his father, and maybe have some cathartic peace.
from those from those experiences but because you know some body in their higher knowledge said oh these things are illegal in the United States where you know they're legal in different places but illegal here he's completely ignored those technologies and it's been you know something that's really sad for his life may be good for all of ours because he's been rabidly pushing forward other technologies to get there and so he's advanced humankind dramatically where maybe he wouldn't have if he had had access to these other things but It's really interesting how
a genius like that can be so focused on one area and then just ignore something that's so right there in front of them.
This is kind of changing the subject a little bit, but I think I have my, I developed my own version of the singularity.
I think, you know, he has a very kind of technological kind of view of when that's going to happen, when man and machine become indistinguishable and I follow a lot of what he's saying.
I think that nanotechnology could eventually take over the immune responsibilities and the computational responsibilities that we currently have.
I'm fine with that.
But I don't believe that's really the singularity because I certainly do believe in an eternal part of us.
And I think that the real singularity is going to come when we advance to the stage where we can consciously take that eternal part And choose which body we want to be in, and whether we want to be in it or not.
So that whole death, you know, the myth of death, when we think we die and we think it's all over, it's really a transition.
When we transcend that, and we can just take our spirit and say, okay, I'm going to live in this body for a little while, and then okay, I'm done with that body.
I'll take my spirit and push it into another body.
And so that consciousness never experiences the memory loss, never experiences that lack of connectedness with everything else.
I think for me, That is the true singularity.
And I think that singularity would come when you really push the advances in this kind of psychedelic exploration.
I don't think that comes from technology.
Maybe we do have to extend our lives another 500 years to be able to get there.
And technology can help us extend our lives for 500 years or whatever.
But I think ultimately the big advances that are going to take us to that complete paradigm shifting level are going to come from, you know, manipulating molecules like DMT and how they interact with the brain and transcending and being able to master these altered extra states of consciousness.
I think that technology is sort of a psychedelic experience.
It's just a really slow-moving one.
What psychedelics do is they dissolve boundaries and they create the impossible in front of you and it's sort of humbling to the ego and provide you with a limitless source of information.
That's the internet.
The internet is psychedelic defined.
The internet is psychedelic.
It's not a big hallucination.
So we sort of mistake the concept of what is psychedelic.
But the technology for sure is changing everything and providing people with Things that to them will be a regular part of their everyday life, but just a hundred years ago were impossible and science fiction and insane.
And then it just becomes normal and you just get used to it.
If we stay alive for a million years, what is this going to look like?
You know what I mean?
It will look psychedelic.
It'll look like a goddamn DMT flash.
The world will look like something that we can't even wrap our heads around.
We all have Google goggles on And we're walking around reading each other's auras.
There's new scanners that they're introducing at the TSA that are going to be able to scan what you've had to eat that day.
Wouldn't you love to see Barack Obama, just a fucking hut filled with Barack Obama, George Bush Jr., George Bush Sr., Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and they were all ayahuasca.
It's weird how parts of the world, like some parts just develop too much cattle.
They develop too many unulant animals, too many hooved animals, and they're like, all right.
Bring in the monsters.
The monsters have to chase down these 50 mile an hour running cows and kill these fucking things.
Everywhere you look that has too many cows, too many whatever it is, whether it's antelope or water buffalo, there's crocodiles, there's wildebeest, there's crocodiles, there's lions.
It's sad as fuck when you fly over the areas that have been chewed up.
We flew into Brazil and there's areas we fly over where you can see where they've chopped down big swaths of the rainforest And it's like wow that's no joke like that's a lot like they've cut a lot of fucking trees down man Yeah, and that rainforest is not growing back where they cut it down.
I mean, it's not it doesn't grow back there It doesn't it dries up and that's it.
It needs the more I mean, it's like a self-sustaining sort of an environment the rainforest is and And when you chop it down, it's not like it just builds back up.
That ground gets dry there because it's constantly exposed to the sun.
So Neanderthals was a terminal chain of its own in the evolutionary, like the branch that created Homo sapiens happened earlier, and then Neanderthals was some terminal node that died out, right?
Well, they didn't evolve from Neanderthals to anything else.
It would have been like, you are a fucking sick dog.
Go back to the source.
You're done.
You're done.
And that just doesn't happen.
There's no kind of...
And that's an extreme example.
I mean, easier examples are the people who are bummed out and depressed and can't talk to anybody or can't do anything or can't have that social contact.
I saw something else on the, I think it's disinfo.com site where this woman started a service where she's charging like $60 to snuggle for like an hour, you know, in like a New York or a city like that.
If you take a baby monkey away from the human contact of the mother monkey, if it can't hug up on it, they've done studies about that, and the monkey gets fucked up.
It's terrifying.
It's all fucking whacked out.
I think a certain amount of contact and interaction is what our species is made for.
Isn't it ironic that the larger the species group gets, the less contact it has with each other?
I mean, you would think that this 300 million of us, fuck, would be interacting with each other all day long, constantly, never get away from each other.
It's almost like technology is trying to bring us closer to a tribe.
Technology, by dissolving secrets and boundaries, is trying to bring this gigantic group back together again as one individual unit like a tribe.
But I think that...
There's a weird problem that we have with the fact that technology is just fucking taking off faster than our biology can catch up to.
You got a 30-year commitment to pay the X amount a month and you got to work or they fucking take all your house away and everything you paid will go to nothing and you're fucking doomed.
I mean, if you look at the way a lot of people are forced to live this life, it's so completely and totally unnatural, but so completely and obviously designed to keep this machine moving in the same direction.
Because you keep this machine mass-producing technology, mass-producing innovation, and moving it faster and faster and further and further.
Ultimately, everybody's like a little worker bee trying to push their segment of technology further.
Well, I think just the fact that we've been bombarded with truth for the past, you know, who knows how many years now.
We're constantly bombarded with reality and information.
And that's just such a strange time where there's no running from reality.
Whereas before, people could just sort of live in the dark or go super religious or, you know, they could block themselves off to giant chunks of what really, you know, makes the world tick.
You can't do that anymore.
Now people are becoming too empowered.
They're too filled with information, too aware.
You see how it's balancing itself out in the financial world.
People are going to jail like crazy now.
Lawsuits are coming down like crazy.
You can't hide information the way you used to.
That Bernie Madoff dude, that guy could have rocked that shit for 100 years back in 1910. He could have rocked that shit until the wheels fell off, and no one would have suspected it coming.
But in this world, in today's day and age, it's not that easy.
And it's not like interacting with the real person where you would never say that to another person because you would see them, A, even if you were stronger and could kick their ass, you would see them get sad and it would be like you'd feel bad, hopefully, unless you're just a fucking total monster.
But, you know, there's this check and balance of real interaction versus cyber interaction.
Because, I mean, there might be Columbus, there might be Cleveland, and there might be Cincinnati, but there's a whole lot of other space around those areas that you're like, who lives here?
And a lot of them are fucking probably shitty jobs and alcoholics and hate their life and What I'm saying, though, is that if you see these people that are just idiots and retarded online that are just yelling out cunt, fuck, blah, blah, those are the same people that you see, you know, the worst of the worst.
You see those people in real life, too.
You just never see them because we're here in Los Angeles.
Well, not just that, because you avoid them because you've got a good social circle.
You know where to go and where not to go, and every now and then it crosses over and you wind up hanging out with some morons or getting stuck with some morons.
That's why I fucking wish that the states had full autonomy, because I think you would start to actually, at that point where federal government could give up, the states could make cool enough laws and have a cool enough system built together.
There's people on Yelp that, I don't know how they got on there, but there's people on Yelp and there are people revealing people as if they were a business.
Well, she's going to get her mind raped by the internet, I'm sure, because it's so beyond stupid.
You know, and she's like, we were shocked.
We couldn't believe it.
I demanded to speak to the manager.
He demanded to speak to the manager.
This is what I said.
We talked about in the Ice House Chronicles.
She should be fired from ever going to a comedy club again.
They should take a picture of her, and every comedy club in the country should agree that this fucking dummy is no longer allowed to go to comedy clubs.
He hit him with a leg kick, and then he faked the leg kick and threw like a Superman hook and cracked him on the jaw and then just unloaded on him on the ground.
It's hard to watch, man, because Pedro Hizzo is one of those dudes that's been around for a long time.
If you watched a highlight reel of all the times Pedro Hizzo's had his life turned out, it's really hard to watch.
You know, the Gilbert Iovil fight, the Josh Barnett fight, there's a lot of fights over and over again where Pedro Hizzo's been really hit hard, really scary knockouts.
I wonder if they're going to be able to eventually figure out a way to regenerate brain cells because that's a real issue with people with head trauma.
It's just big parts of your brain just are not the same anymore after massive concussions, especially if you've had multiple concussions.
And like football players and especially fighters in training, that's the big one.
There's a guy who died recently in an unregulated MMA fight and he got triangled and tapped from the triangle and was no head trauma at all in the fight.
Went back to his locker room and was watching some fights and then someone heard some moaning and they looked over and he had collapsed.
And he wound up dying.
And they brought him to the hospital and when they did an autopsy on him that he found it was blunt force trauma from about a week ago.
It's a fine line between having to believe that you're going to win no matter what and then also being realistic and being like, yeah, I should probably bail on this.
But we're doing the Jack Singer Concert Hall in Calgary.
And the first show sold out, but we're doing a second show.
And that's almost sold out.
But some tickets are available for the second show.
It's me, Duncan Trussell, and Ari Shafir.
And that's this Friday night.
So it's about as close to Death Squad as you can get without Joey Diaz and Brian.
But Joey Diaz is not going to make it to Canada.
Canada has very strict laws about criminals.
And when you got kidnapping with firearms, yeah.
They're like, I know it was a long time ago, Joey.
He's like, listen, I'm a different guy now.
I got 11 cats.
Come on.
They won't let him in.
So I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, Canada.
I can't bring Joey Diaz.
But you can always sneak in and hang out with us.
We're at the Ice House all the time.
We've had a bunch of Canadians and English people and people from all over the world come down and hang out at the Ice House, which is really cool because the Ice House is one of the oldest clubs in the country.
Yeah, and we went in there and it's like you could feel when you're standing in that room when it's dark and there's no one on stage and there's no one in the room.
Like you could feel the energy that's been transmitted in that building.
Like that's a place where decades and decades of stand-up comedy has gone down.
So we're there this Wednesday night, and you can get tickets at icehousecomedy.com.
But yeah, San Diego is a fucking awesome town, man.
I love it there.
It's one of my favorite places to go.
But it really is bizarre that they have, like, La Jolla has these 30, 40, 50 million dollar houses, giant estates overlooking the water, 20 minutes from Tijuana.
So, latest news in the Onnit world, we got the new alpha brain formula, which is just a slight tweak on the old alpha brain formula.
Basically, the acetylcholine mechanism remains exactly the same.
You have the huperziocerata as the acetylcholine S-rays inhibitor, and you have alpha-GPC as the raw source of choline to raise your acetylcholine levels.
And then for the dopamine mechanism, we're using L-tyrosine, which is the basic source amino acid for L-dopa instead of muconipurins.
Much more research behind L-tyrosine, and it just seems to be a preferred ingredient for that.
And instead of the supplemental GABA, we switched that out with L-theanine, which is actually why when you drink green tea, you don't get that kind of hyperactive feeling that you do from coffee necessarily, because green tea contains natural L-theanine, which is related to the GABA mechanism and kind of keeps you from getting too hyper.
And that's again going to temper that kind of very, a little bit manic effect of the mental speed and that kind of focus that you get from the acetylcholine.
And then we added Phosphatidylserine, which is a great ingredient, got a couple cool studies with phosphatidylserine.
One was measuring the accuracy of people off of a golf tee driving towards a hole 135 yards away and found statistically significant improvement In a double-blind study for the people taking phosphatidylserine as far as hitting the ball straighter.
And what they found is that it just helps reduce mental fatigue.
It's a natural nutrient that's found in brain cell membranes.
Well, it's fascinating to me that this is a new frontier for a lot of folks.
You know, a lot of people aren't really aware that there are a bunch of different nutrients that have shown that they have a positive effect on your brain function.
And then I guess everything else remains the same.
The AC-11, our proprietary antioxidant that comes from the rainforest herb, Cat's Claw, that they concentrate some of the alkaloids and really help you kind of clear away some of your mental fog.
And then the Bacopa and the B6 to help round out the formula.
But getting just great feedback on the new formula.
Again, just a slight tweak for any of those who've been fans of the old alpha brain, but definitely just a little bit better on all fronts.
And then we have the strong bone and joint formula, which we came out with, which is new.
And that's focused around the mineral strontium.
And New England Journal of Medicine study from 2004 showed that the people taking strontium ranelate had a 41% decrease fracture risk as far as developing the bone density.
And that's because strontium is one of the key minerals along with calcium that's found in the bones.
And a lot of our processed foods have eliminated the natural strontium content.
So it's, you know, one of the theories why so many people are experiencing osteoporosis is because the natural strontium that generally comes from our foods, we're not getting them anymore.
And so we put a bunch of other trace minerals in there, put some pretty traditional things for your joints, MSM, glucosamine, hyaluronic acid.
And just make a kind of balanced formula with the ingredient strontium, which is best.
And a lot of these studies do have it in conjunction with calcium.
So we recommend taking, but you're not supposed to take them at the same time because they'll actually compete for absorption because they're such a similar molecule.
So you take the stront bone or your strontium supplement in the morning, per se, and then take a calcium supplement at night.
Great formula for people who are in active sports or if you're getting up there in age or just want better general bone and joint strength and flexibility.
And then some exciting new stuff coming out.
We got our HempForce product, which is fucking delicious.
Like a coconut, just shove it a little in your mouth.
But it's a coconut with pulp in it.
C2O is not a sponsor, but they're our friends.
So we, them and Alienware, we talk about them just because they're cool and they hook us up.
Alienware hooked us up with some cool computers and C2O keeps us hydrated.
But I make shakes with the Hemp Force and C2O, and it's fucking delicious, and no gas.
Yeah, that's it.
I would make these fucking muscle milkshakes, which taste so good, but would burn holes in the seat of my car while I was farting on the way to the gym, which is like, Jesus.
There's a lot of issues with whey protein and digestion.
If you aren't careful, it can create intestinal toxemia, which is like a sludge that builds up in your intestines and actually prevents the absorption of nutrients beyond that.
But it is a very balanced kind of protein.
It's just really tough for the human body to kind of metabolize it.
Whereas hemp, on the other hand, hemp hearts, Two-thirds of that is made up of a compound called adestrin, which is already very commonly found in the human body.
So there's virtually no allergy or digestion issues.
Plus you got all the omega-3s and 6s, fatty acids in there, the GLA. Just a super protein for you.
And all we did was add some cocoa, which is again another one of the original superfoods.
You know, got a bunch of good trace minerals, chromium and a variety of other things.
And maca as well.
Long traditional use of maca, being able to boost libido and also contain a bunch of nutrients that support the endocrine system.
And a little bit of stevia, and it's got a fucking delicious drink that'll refuel you, so I'm pumped to launch that.
did know how to do it they forgot to get back all right but i just want to know is there someone respond to me on twitter if you know is there a way to do that because if there is a way to do that that would be badass i like that mustang better than i like that corvette yeah but i don't think you should get a red car shut up son i'm in love with this new mustang there's a new mustang shelby that's coming out it's got i think it's it's i think i said it wrong i think oh yeah it's 650 horsepower it's
It's not 640. It's 650. 650 horsepower in a Mustang.
It actually doesn't even have a gas counselor tax because it's not naturally aspirated.
It has a supercharger on it.
So it's a big-ass V8, but it's really efficient.
And then on top of that, it's connected to a radical fucking supercharger that gives you this mad whine over the roar of the V8. But I'm in love with this car, man.
This might be my next shit.
Look, I have a Mustang.
I have a Shelby GT500 convertible.
I like, but I'm not really that cool with convertibles.
There's too many variables.
I've seen too many cars flip over on the highway and shit.
I'm like, that doesn't seem like a smart thing.
If you can have a metal roof, you probably should have a metal roof.
But I love the idea of getting an American car that's a fun car.
And if there's anything that America does right, it's make muscle cars.
It's the last shit we do right when it comes to manufacturing.
And I just love the fact that these guys are really going for it.
That they really have made a 650 fucking horsepower Mustang.
I mean, I almost feel like I'm obligated to buy something like this.
Because they're so silly that they made it.
That's what I felt like about the Corvette ZR1. I felt the same way about that.
It's so silly that they made such a crazy car.
I feel like obligated.
Because if I was a kid, and I was like, man, if I saw something like that, I'd be like, man, if I had enough money, I'd buy one of those.
That's what you should do.
You should buy one of those if you have enough money.
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Come, get your freak on, Calgary.
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We're eventually going to make our own DVD. We're going to get on that.
We'll probably talk about that as soon as we shut off this fucking podcast, okay?