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July 16, 2012 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #240 - Aubrey Marcus
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aubrey marcus
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brian redban
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joe rogan
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joe rogan
I never know how to start these.
I never know how it should start.
brian redban
It's weird sometimes you do that breathing thing lately.
Like you're getting excited.
joe rogan
It's me relaxed.
aubrey marcus
Traumatic breathing.
joe rogan
It's in through the nose, folks.
And then out to the mouth, relaxing.
That's how you're supposed to breathe.
brian redban
That's something you taught me with comedy.
A lot of times I catch myself doing that and I hear you in the back of my head just like breathe in and breathe out.
Breathe in, deep breaths.
And I'm like, wow, it really does work.
joe rogan
You could get stuck on stage without any air where you fucked up and didn't plan your breaths.
And then people are staring at you going, why the fuck should we be paying attention to you, stupid?
brian redban
Oh, so you've done that before where you can't even finish a sentence.
unidentified
You're like...
joe rogan
Oh yeah, here we go.
Even fairly recently timed it badly, you know, where I pulled it off, but it's like, yikes.
Very close to not.
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brian redban
Dude.
joe rogan
Stupid sausage.
brian redban
I had to say Wendy's.
joe rogan
Cavaletta's is so awesome.
There's a deli in Canoga Park that's so fucking old school Italian and they had a sausage sub and I couldn't pass.
But for the most part I eat healthy.
I will punish myself for that and I won't allow myself for anything shit for days and days.
That looked worth it though.
It was a little bit worth it.
It's a little worth it.
I believe in cheat days, man.
But I believe you should earn those bitches.
And for the most part, you should be eating healthy.
Healthy as fuck, you dirty freaks.
So that's what these nootropics are all about.
It's all about increasing your brain's ability to produce neurotransmitters.
Is that the best way to describe it?
aubrey marcus
That would be it.
Yep.
joe rogan
And Aubrey and I both have had a tremendous amount of experience taking these things long before we ever became involved in selling them and distributing them.
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A lot of them are good.
I think ours is the best.
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We're that confident that it's that good.
We're that confident that you're going to love it and you're going to get hooked on it and you're going to be like me.
I didn't take any before the show.
Give me the bag.
unidentified
Quickly!
joe rogan
I panic.
I panic that you find out how stupid I am without pot and alpha brain.
I couldn't work.
I couldn't work.
I could work, but I wouldn't be very good.
brian redban
He's become an addict.
joe rogan
I wouldn't be the same, ladies and gentlemen.
I wouldn't be the same.
aubrey marcus
Once you get used to those heightened levels of neurotransmitters.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I'm really addicted to weed when it comes to writing.
I'm telling you.
I sit down and try to write without weed and then I just go, what the fuck are you doing, stupid?
brian redban
Did you read the new studies about weed?
joe rogan
What about it?
brian redban
That was released yesterday.
Again, they went through it and there's no signs of it being dangerous to your body or anything at all.
joe rogan
The LD50 rate is 1500 pounds.
You know what that means?
That means lethal dose at 50% of the humans.
It means it would kill the weak bitches.
So you'd have to smoke 1,500 pounds to kill the weak bitches.
Guess what?
You're not killing Joey Diaz with 1,500 pounds.
Joey Diaz laughs at your 1,500 pounds.
You give him 1,500 pounds of weed and he'll just be running around naked, screaming at people, you cocksucker, you think you're going to kill me that easy?
That's not going to kill him.
1,500 pounds.
Unless you dropped it out of a CIA drug plane.
It landed on his fucking head.
That's the only way to kill him.
aubrey marcus
Blood force trauma is the only way to kill Joey with weed.
joe rogan
The only way.
Alright, ladies and gentlemen.
Our pal Aubrey is back from the fucking jungles of Peru with another ayahuasca adventure.
We're going to get deep.
unidentified
The Joe Rogan Experience.
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All day.
joe rogan
That still is one of the proudest moments in my life.
unidentified
Hearing Nick Diaz say that, train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night.
joe rogan
That was one of the happiest I've ever been as an adult.
That was like right up there with fucking anything else that's ever made me happy.
That was so killer.
So you're back, dude.
aubrey marcus
I'm back.
joe rogan
How many times a year are you trying to do these intense psychedelic experiences?
aubrey marcus
Well, you know, after this last experience, I kind of got the message that, you know, there wasn't too much left for me to explore in this.
But, you know, I kind of see myself as an adventurer, you know, coming back, getting knowledge and taking it back and sharing it.
joe rogan
When you say that not too much left, like, I always feel like if I do it too much, that I'm not absorbing what's happening.
I always feel like if I have too many experiences in a row, like two or three in a couple of months, I feel like I'm just playing.
I'm just riding a ride.
I'm getting scared.
It takes a long time for the big ones to make sense to me.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I think there's a certain amount of information that needs to kind of accumulate, and you need to get farther off track for your experience to be really...
joe rogan
Well, that's what the people say that are real skeptics.
They'll say, what information?
What has anybody ever brought back?
There is some anecdotal evidence that some things have been discovered while on LSD, and supposedly Francis Crick on his dying deathbed said that LSD was...
aubrey marcus
Discovered the DNA molecule, yeah.
joe rogan
But you know what, man?
unidentified
Fucking...
joe rogan
On my deathbed, somebody might say I turned Christian, you know?
You're fucking dying, man.
You just might be making shit up.
You know, he's crazy.
He's dying.
I mean, why is a deathbed worth anything, you know?
I mean, deathbed, she'd be like, don't listen to that, dude.
He's fucking freaking out right now.
He's dying.
Why did you decide to make up some shit about LSD and the DNA model?
Oh, it's fucking whatever.
I was dying.
I was tripping my balls off.
Like...
But what have you, like, is there like one thing that you could, like, if someone said, what do you ever bring back?
Is there one thing that you could say?
aubrey marcus
I can give you three things from this last experience that were pretty poignant life lessons that were told to me just directly, flat out, that I think will help me for the rest of my life.
I mean, actual concrete things.
This was a very different experience, and I don't know if I should just go from the start or kind of hop into the middle here.
joe rogan
For the folks who don't know, Aubrey had a recent one.
It was about, what is it, six months ago?
The last one?
aubrey marcus
Well, the Iboga was six months ago, and then the last trip to Peru was a full year ago.
So this was the anniversary of that first epic trip down to the jungle.
joe rogan
In the first epic trip, you went with the same guy, the guy they call the dragon.
aubrey marcus
The dragon, yeah.
joe rogan
And you had some insane visions, and you communicated with flotillas of snakes.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
What was it like?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I mean, the second experience I had, the first one was just basically coming to terms with my own mortal death.
I mean, every possible way I could die, snakes eating out my organs, sliding down vines of thorns, every possible way that I could confront my death, I had to go through.
joe rogan
Sliding down vines of thorns?
aubrey marcus
It was even telling me, it was like, your body is riddled with cancer.
You're going to die as soon as you get back.
And I was like, oh, that was the one that got me, actually.
The thorns and the snakes eating me and actually the insects burrowing in my skin and exploding.
All of that stuff.
I was like, alright, I'm cool with that.
Like, I can get over that.
But then it was like, your body's riddled with cancer and you're going to die.
And at that point, I had...
joe rogan
What a dick.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, exactly.
But at that point, I had to be like, okay, you know, if this is the end, so be it.
And as soon as that happened...
I could feel, you know, the medicine just kind of draw me back down into the ground and a deep sense of peace and a kind of conquering of a fear of suffering that I had.
joe rogan
So you had to just figure out how to let go of the idea that you're going to die, which really is the one thing that fucks with almost everybody.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
It's the number one pervasive fear.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I've had that conversation yesterday with my four-year-old.
It's very strange when they start to be aware that, you know, that people will cease to exist.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
That's a tough one.
So that's why they call it the vine of death, actually.
It's one of the reasons is because Ayahuasca is one of the first things it's going to do.
It's going to make you confront your death.
And if you're not ready for that, you'll fight that, and you'll battle with that until the end.
But you've got to just kind of get past that first step.
Fortunately, the first session I had the last time, a year ago, got me through that.
And then the next one, I was just brought to what the shamans call the eighth dimension, they call it out there.
That's just the paradigm that they use.
But it was just this unbelievably lucid place where I had to get me there.
I had a flotilla drawing smoke out of me, and then I had another one that was shooting a beam of light under my tongue.
joe rogan
Under your tongue?
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
It was the weirdest thing.
I've since had some people say, You know, there's some yogic practices where you absorb something or another underneath your tongue.
But I knew none of that now.
And I don't know if I necessarily subscribed to that even after reading it.
But there is some kind of literature about underneath the tongue.
But I just did it instinctively.
And this beam of light just goes piercing through my tongue.
Yeah.
joe rogan
I wonder if it's because of sublingual drugs.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it's a very strong absorption site.
It's like the easiest way to absorb directly into your bloodstream, so it's kind of an odd thing for me to do without thinking about it.
After that happened, I just burst into this other dimension.
And from that dimension, I could see people that I wanted to see.
I could scan my body.
I could look towards the future, towards business, towards anything.
And everything was just perfectly lucid in this universe that didn't change no matter which direction I looked at.
And it was an incredibly profound, life-changing experience in the last sessions.
joe rogan
Did it seem, when you were looking at the world and all the different aspects of your world, did it seem like something you're creating in your mind?
aubrey marcus
No.
It really didn't at this time.
And I've had some psilocybin experiences and some other different experiences that seem very much like an exploration on a ride through my own subconscious.
Like going through the dream state, processing bad emotions, bad feelings.
But something particular about the DMT experience and the Iboga experience transcends that kind of feeling like you're on a ride through dreamland, you know, that really is your own mind.
It felt completely different because I was so lucid.
I was so able to just navigate through a different space where only the shaman was sharing that space.
The rest of the people around me We're just these spindles of light that I could kind of see through.
And I had full options to do whatever I want.
I even ran back to my cabin and shot a little video where I looked really kind of weird and a little bit freaked out.
But I was like, I had to capture that moment because I was worried that I was going to forget it.
joe rogan
So you got a video of you talking about what you just experienced?
Or were you experiencing it currently while you were in the video?
aubrey marcus
I was experiencing it currently.
So I turned the camera on myself and I was like, You know, this is me.
I hate to mention it's a space of infinite possibilities and I'll show you there or something like that.
But I had such freedom to just do whatever I wanted in that.
It seems almost impossible to me that that was generated by my own mind.
joe rogan
So what do you think it is then?
It is generated by your own mind interacting with a drug.
But does that drug act as a doorway to the new experience?
aubrey marcus
I think it does.
I think what DMT does is it opens up the other dimensional realms where there's knowledge and information that wants to come and access your brain.
You want to receive information from those other dimensions and how it comes to you is generally There's a translation gap.
There's no Rosetta Stone there, so it comes through generally as pictures, and these pictures can often be very confusing, but it's Really trying to translate information that your brain wants to get access to.
And the only way it knows how to do that is to show you pictures.
So you explore these pictures and find answers from what I believe is either the collective unconsciousness of all people or another dimension that's even higher, that's beyond people, that transcends people, that's a wisdom older than people.
And I think that's kind of where you're accessing this information.
I think there's also some component of your own mind and consciousness, but I think DMT in particular is a pretty unique molecule that really allows access from some other spaces that are non-self-generated.
joe rogan
It certainly seems like that when you're doing it, but nobody knows what the fuck that really is.
What are you doing over there, Brian?
brian redban
Looking up cat pictures.
joe rogan
Okay, let's not do that while the podcast is on.
It's very distracting.
I'm looking at you on the screen.
If you want to look up cat pictures, just stretch us out so you don't have to be looking like a fucking weirdo cat stalker in the corner.
When you take it and you have that feeling, though, do you think it's possible that that feeling is just a drug interacting with your mind?
Because that's what the skeptic would say, right?
brian redban
Sure.
aubrey marcus
It's certainly possible.
I mean, how can you rule that out?
And actually, that's one of the things that...
And I'll get into that a little bit more in the second experience.
Because the second experience, this one I just got back from, I had actual encounters with allies.
Like, different beings that were talking to me.
And that's the first time that's ever happened.
Like the last time...
joe rogan
And they were giving you good advice?
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
Yeah, they were giving me good advice.
joe rogan
Do you think that that's possible, that that's like part of your personality?
aubrey marcus
That's definitely possible.
It's definitely possible.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
Like there's like some area of your personality that subconsciously needed to get expressed.
And so what it's done is it's created a character.
aubrey marcus
Sure.
joe rogan
It's going to guide you.
I mean, I don't know.
aubrey marcus
Look, that's absolutely possible.
joe rogan
And I'm not playing devil's advocate.
I just really don't know.
It certainly has felt like when I've had DMT experiences that I wasn't in the same place as I am now.
I felt like I was in a new world.
And I definitely also was kind of tweaked by the fact that I was myself.
I wasn't drunk.
I wasn't stoned.
I wasn't myself tripping balls.
I was myself seeing something that was impossible.
It's a weird thing how that experience hits you where it doesn't change the way you feel physically, the way your mind works.
It doesn't change that.
It seems like a doorway, but I don't know what the fuck is really going on.
aubrey marcus
It's interesting, yeah.
So I'll tell the story of how I encountered these beings, and then we'll try and figure it out.
Because I had a lively debate.
I was actually down there with my friend Bodhi, and we had a lively debate.
He was on the camp that it was just parts of my own mind.
But for me, I wasn't quite sure.
It seemed like it was something different.
joe rogan
Well, I think that either or, to be confident in either or is silly.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Look, consciousness is created by chemicals, okay?
You need all these different chemicals in order for a human being to have a mind that's functioning.
And this consciousness of the human mind has manifested a physical reality that is almost impossible to imagine.
When you think of airplanes and the internet and television and fucking giant buildings and shit, these all come from chemicals.
Chemicals have produced chain reactions.
They've produced, they've set into motion a chain of events that have fucking eaten every fish out of the ocean, polluted everything, you know, figured out how to drop bombs that incinerate a half a million people at a time.
I mean, this has all come from chemicals.
So why would we be tripped out that the idea that you introduce a different chemical and you literally change dimensions?
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, the chemicals in this dimension have changed the shit out of this place.
And that has done it in the form and the manifestation of human consciousness.
Why wouldn't we think that another one that you add to human consciousness might elevate you to some different place?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, and that's what I think the real shame about all the drug laws that disallow these different explorations.
At this point, it's still such a small amount of people that are accessing this, that are able to research it.
The LeBron James of psychedelic tripping has not been discovered yet.
He's the person who can go out there and pick up information that's completely different and bring it back and solve some of these mysteries.
You've got to have a basketball court on every block to produce LeBron James.
You've got to have psychedelics legal to get enough people to get the The super, you know, the super explorer out there and have access to it.
joe rogan
Yeah, and I think also collectively we learn from each other's experiences.
I know that, you know, when I have had friends that have tripped and came back and had a different perspective on themselves, you know, just absorbing their story and absorbing their experience and then you have your experience compounded with The information that they kind of gave you about their experience, and it all builds up together.
When you're just by yourself alone in a fucking cabin in Vermont, and you're tripping your fucking balls off with nobody to talk to, you know?
What was that movie, Into the Wild?
Is that what it was?
Where the kid goes up to Alaska, and one of his big things is he realizes he can't have fun.
Unless he is with other people.
You can't enjoy your life unless you're with other people.
The idea of going out here.
aubrey marcus
Humans are social creatures.
joe rogan
You can't just be in Alaska and go, this is so beautiful.
I'm going to be so happy.
No, where is everybody?
aubrey marcus
Doesn't matter how many flashlights you have.
It's still not going to be fun.
joe rogan
Yeah.
There's a show that I've been watching lately.
It's called Mountain Men.
And it follows three different dudes, one in Alaska, one in Montana, and one in North Carolina.
And the guy in Alaska, man, this motherfucker is a trip.
This guy gets in a little float plane, and he takes off, and he flies three hours into the woods where there's no one.
And he gets there and goes to his cabin.
And when he goes to his cabin, then he has to take piece by piece his snowmobile.
He has to take the parts out and put them back together.
By the way, it's 30 below zero.
He has to put the parts in the daytime.
He has to put the parts on his snow machine together.
aubrey marcus
If there is a day, depending on what time you hear.
joe rogan
Yeah, and then he drives 24 miles on a snowmobile.
24 miles to check his string of traps.
And that's what he does every day.
He did it every day for months, and he made $4,000.
Yeah.
$4,000.
For doing, like, the hardest shit you've ever seen in your life.
This guy is, first of all, his trails will disappear because the snow will hit so fast.
By the time he tries to turn around and drive the trail back, you can't see what the fuck is going on.
So he hits logs and breaks his skis.
And he's like, if you get hurt out here, you're fucked.
Like, no, really?
You're three hours by plane into Alaska.
There's no one there.
No one.
And this fucking guy is driving around killing animals with these springy metal contraptions that snap their heads in.
And he takes their skins and sells them.
unidentified
Whoa.
aubrey marcus
It's a hard man.
joe rogan
Meanwhile, the dude seems happy as fuck.
That's the crazy thing about it.
The guy seems so happy.
He seems like he's having a great time.
And, you know, we were talking earlier about people who are on antidepressants, like what number of people are on antidepressants and how weird it is when you're around someone who's loopy on antidepressants.
And you're like, I wonder how much of our brain is just fucking designed to be a hunter and gatherer.
And despite the fact that we've evolved way, way past that societally, the physical body is slow as shit to catch up to technology.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, for sure.
I read a book by Bertrand Russell called Conquest of Happiness, and he was a preeminent kind of 19th or 20th century philosopher.
And in that book, he describes...
Like a gardener that they had.
And this gardener, he said, was one of the examples of the happiest people he's ever seen.
And he lived in a very affluent kind of British society.
And he said one of the reasons his keys to happiness was every day he went out and his job was to hunt rabbits.
Because the rabbits would tear up the gardens.
So that was his daily challenge that he got to do.
And every morning he woke up and he was like, those goddamn rabbits, I'm gonna fucking get them.
And that for him was all he needed to every day have that challenge and have the ability to meet it and feel like he was making a difference.
That's what made him happy.
So similar to your mountain man, He goes out and he goes after those animals and he has that challenge against nature, challenge to catch the animals, and then come back and get it.
And I think that makes him happy.
But these people who have these jobs that feel like they're completely meaningless, like what are you doing?
What are you creating?
It's monotonous.
It's the same day.
It's not a challenge anymore.
You're just clocking in.
I think that makes it even more difficult to maintain happiness.
joe rogan
Well, everybody can't have the perfect life, unfortunately, for a society to work like this.
The only way to have a gigantic society the way we have here is there's a lot of people who have to do shit that sucks.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
They have to.
And you get talked into thinking that, you know, you're going to get out of college.
All you need is just get a good job and you're going to be fine.
No.
No, you're not going to be fine.
You're not going to be fine.
For eight hours, you're going to be in pain every day.
It's not a lot of pain, but it's a mild pain.
It's the kind of pain that makes you shoot up a post office if you absorb it for 30 years.
That's what it is.
It's just mild pain.
aubrey marcus
Especially when you make the releases illegal.
If you're going to be in that kind of situation, there's a lot of people that are.
Well, if you do, you better get out and fucking camp on the weekends and go find nature again.
Because that's part of what I think is another key.
Probably why your mountain man is so happy.
Because he's connecting with the natural world, which I think is another big key.
So you better go out and fucking camp on the weekends.
And every 6 to 12 months, You know, I believe that a psychedelic reset can be extremely valuable, can kind of purge all of these kind of negative emotions that you felt.
And then you can kind of go do your job and check out and live for other things.
Live for your girlfriend, for your workout that you have at the end of that.
joe rogan
Live to get out of that fucking job.
aubrey marcus
Or bust your ass.
joe rogan
Get one that doesn't suck.
aubrey marcus
Read Pressfield's Turning Pro or War of Art and get the fuck out.
brian redban
That's why ocean towns are so happy.
Every time you go to an ocean town, it's always happy and positive and people are happy.
joe rogan
That's because they're humbled by nature.
brian redban
Yeah, they see it every day.
joe rogan
You're humbled by nature.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Mountain towns are like that too.
They're nice people because they're humbled by nature.
It's a different kind of humbling, the mountain towns, because it's the cold weather, sort of button down the hatches.
Do you guys need help changing your flat?
That kind of happy.
But the ocean towns are always laid back.
Because you just look out at that ocean and go, shut up, bitch.
Can't nothing be important.
Look at this.
Look at this crazy puddle of water we're in front of.
brian redban
I tell you, man, San Diego is there for Comic-Con, and you were also so beautiful.
I did that one bridge, that humongous bridge that kind of goes around where it's just super high up.
It's blue water.
unidentified
San Diego shits on LA. Get those negative ions off the water.
brian redban
It's weird how the weed, you do feel that marijuana laws, or at least its tolerance, is completely different than what it is in Los Angeles.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, they have a really hard time putting up dispensers there.
They keep getting shut down.
brian redban
And then the people that work the doors are all ex-military guys, so they enforce it more.
It's like you can see how it just spreads.
We could barely find a place to smoke a joint in San Diego near a comedy club.
At first, we were trying to go on the sidewalks and we got kicked off porches.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a lot trickier than it is in LA. LA is so ridiculous right now.
It's like, folks who live in other parts of the world, you don't realize how suppressed you are.
You come to LA, and they keep talking about closing places down.
They target after the big places.
That's what they do.
They target after places like Oakstradam.
There's another place.
And the good thing about these big places is those guys generate enough money to fight it in court.
And so hopefully some good will come out of it.
But...
You have no idea how many there are.
You have no idea.
There's way more than there are Starbucks and McDonald's combined.
brian redban
And when you hear the shit with the raids and stuff, if you look at the shit, like the why they got raided, it's because they were operating without a license.
joe rogan
Not all of them.
brian redban
There's so many places that are just breaking the laws.
joe rogan
No, no.
brian redban
That last one.
joe rogan
What Tommy Chong said is right.
The one in Long Beach where the cops stepped on the kid's neck.
That was fucked.
brian redban
Yeah, they didn't have a license.
joe rogan
But the big ones they're getting, the DEA's going after them because they have a lot of cash.
That's one thing.
They're stealing their money.
They're going after them.
They take their pot and their money.
And good luck getting either one of them back.
And a year later, your pot's not worth anything anyway, stupid.
By the time you go through the legal bullshit, yeah, here's your pot.
By the way, most of it's probably already smoked.
The DEA probably smoked the shit out of your fucking weed.
aubrey marcus
They resold it and then reacquired it.
joe rogan
Well, Obama said that he was only going to go after people that were violating both state and federal law.
That's what they said at first, but they've since not lived up to that.
Because that Oaksterdam place wasn't violating state law.
They're just...
They gotta keep busy.
And it's an easy way to arrest people and not get shot.
Go try and raid the meth lab with such confidence.
You step into a fucking meth lab, dude.
You might get shanked.
There might be a dude hanging by his heels from the ceiling ready to drop on a cop because that's what he does because he's methed out all day and he's got a knife in his teeth.
Yeah, you don't want to do that.
Kicking in a meth lab is dangerous.
They'll throw a grenade at you and blow it up right in front of them.
They're fucking methed out.
They don't know what they're doing.
The cops, when they go and break out a medical marijuana store, it's like you might as well be arresting babies.
Nobody's fighting back.
Meanwhile, the cops are smashing the cameras and shit.
The whole thing's disgusting.
If this was a CVS pharmacy, right down the street, you would never think about doing that.
Meanwhile, those motherfuckers are dispensing Oxycontins on the regular.
People are coming in every day that are stone-cold opiate junkies.
And CVS is just keeping them alive, keeping them alive, and giving them bottles of pills.
And some of them they smash and snort, and some of them they smoke, and some of them they just take.
And meanwhile, the Manical Marijuana plays.
Get on the ground!
You have plants!
You guys have flowers!
aubrey marcus
I think the biggest problem is the reason why it's not already legal is you can't patent pot.
It's just too easy to grow.
Too many people could do it.
So they can't control it and they can't monetize it.
The corporations can't do it.
joe rogan
There's that for sure.
For sure.
aubrey marcus
I mean, there's no other...
You have to follow the money in all of these cases and there's just no other good reason.
Except, I guess, in some cases like Iboga and Ayahuasca, I mean, nobody's gonna do that shit for fun.
I mean, it sucks.
You're puking.
You're shitting.
You're like, it's a tough, tough experience.
brian redban
It's like tomatoes.
Not everyone's growing tomatoes.
joe rogan
That's true too.
Even easy shit like tomatoes.
brian redban
That shit's fast also.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Celery.
Grow some bamboo.
Grow your own bamboo.
Bamboo grows like a fucking inch a day.
It's constantly growing.
It grows fast as shit.
Nobody's growing bamboo.
brian redban
Just make it cheaper.
It would be like being able to buy a pound for five bucks.
joe rogan
Well, the idea that you could be growing lettuce and I can come along and say, you can't grow lettuce.
If there was only two of us, that would be so ridiculous.
You're like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Get away from me.
I'm growing some lettuce.
If there was only two of us, it would be nuts.
But if there's 300 million of us, you can come up to me and say, you can't grow marijuana.
I'd be like, what are you talking about?
Why are you telling me what to do, ever?
Well, the only reason why it seems like you should be allowed to tell somebody what to do is when there's You represent some giant group of people.
Like, there's a bunch.
And so this bunch has decided they don't like you doing this.
And they haven't even decided it, by the way.
You know, it's like, what it is is a bunch of, a giant group of people who are making money from other things and are worried that you're gonna take away some of their profits with this plant that you want to grow.
So they go and they pay off the cops.
And they literally do.
They give them money.
And then they give politicians money.
They give it to them.
They give them millions of dollars.
And they say, we want to make sure that this position is supported.
And so they go out and they bust pot shops.
I mean, it's really that simple.
aubrey marcus
And even the male species of hemp, you know, we can't grow that.
I have to source our hemp for this new protein that we got from Canada.
And it comes in just the male species.
joe rogan
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
And it's, I mean, so easy to grow.
Sustainable for the soil.
You don't need pesticides.
The protein it produces is one of the most nutritious proteins for you at all.
The fibers you can use for clothes.
I mean, and it's illegal to fucking grow here.
joe rogan
It's incredible.
And it doesn't even fucking, it's not even psychoactive at all.
aubrey marcus
No, no.
joe rogan
It's illegal to grow a plant that doesn't even get you high because it's related to a plant that gets you high.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, that's food.
It's going to be even, I mean, you know, God forbid there's some kind of Hunger issue that comes from any kind of collapse or something like that.
But then you got a plant that's about the easiest motherfucker to grow that can feed people and clothe people.
And you're like, no, no, no, no.
We do not want that.
Because why?
Well, because its sister makes people high.
joe rogan
Makes people happy.
Meanwhile, they're selling Oxycontins by the truckload.
They got truck...
Passing each other on the highway.
Filled with Oxy's.
Everywhere you go.
Oxys, oxys.
What do you got there?
Nothing.
Just some pharmaceuticals.
I'm bringing a CVS. Go on your way.
unidentified
Is that a roach in your fucking ashtray, boy?
joe rogan
They'll pull you out and beat you if you have a roach in your ashtray, but they'll look at your papers and go, what do you got, enough Oxycontin in there to kill a fucking country?
aubrey marcus
I always thought it would be a good skit by some enterprising pioneer to take a cop out to a cow pasture and find a magic mushroom that's growing in the cow pasture and walk with the cop and just find the exact point where it becomes illegal.
To touch something that's growing out of the ground.
Just bring him, come up to it, come close to it.
joe rogan
Is this illegal?
Is this illegal?
aubrey marcus
And then just touch it with your finger.
joe rogan
If you pluck it, do I own this now?
And now I'm a prisoner.
aubrey marcus
Can you pet it?
At what point does he smack you in the face and handcuff you?
brian redban
If you pick it up by the turd.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, if you hold the whole turd.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm not even touching it.
I've got a shovel.
Shoveling the turd.
aubrey marcus
I mean, just to find out.
I mean, it gets so absurd at that point, you know, when this natural substance becomes illegal.
joe rogan
They were legal in England until really recently.
But it's probably because Americans went there and took too many mushrooms and freaked the fuck out and ran down the street.
It's like, alright, we gotta stop this shit.
aubrey marcus
Maybe, or they just had too many good ideas, who knows.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, hopefully that was the reason.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, but I guess, you know, there's some, the two promising fields, there's some pretty good research coming out.
Johns Hopkins had that one on psilocybin, that was good.
MAPS is doing some good work, some other people are doing good work, but then the Church of Santa Dime won a big case For ayahuasca as a medical, I mean as a religious sacrament.
So that's kind of another angle that's kind of allowing some of these medicines to get in through a loophole.
Because you're allowed, I know the Native American church already got peyote approved.
And then this Church of Santo Daime, or either them or the EDV, I don't know.
joe rogan
I think it's the EDV. The EDV that did it.
aubrey marcus
Both are trying.
I think one succeeded, one's in the works.
joe rogan
It's something de vegetal.
How does the EDV, what is it?
Does it break down?
aubrey marcus
Something de vegetal.
Something like that, yeah.
joe rogan
For folks who don't know, what these are is they're Christian groups that are from Brazil, and they combine Christianity with ayahuasca.
It's a very strange sort of offshoot of religion.
They take really high-level psychedelic drugs, and they sing songs about Jesus.
I have a friend who went and said, it is crazy.
He said...
aubrey marcus
There was a shaman down in the area that we were at who does that, who combines, who blends Christianity with the traditional jungle beliefs of ayahuasca.
So the beings that he's talking to, sometimes it's spirit of mother ayahuasca or whatever, and other times it's straight sweet baby Jesus that he's trying to talk to, and that actually throws some people off.
I definitely prefer my shaman to be straight jungle beliefs rather than a Christian.
joe rogan
Well, that really begs the question then, what's going on?
What's going on?
Is Jesus real or is everything you can imagine real?
And is your imagination concocting all this shit?
And is the imagination sort of being underestimated or downplayed or maybe mischaracterized?
You know, we look at the imagination as something that creates some bullshit, something that's not real, something that creates things that are imaginary.
You're making it up.
They don't exist.
But maybe it's much more complicated than that.
Maybe the imagination is a reality-creating frequency.
Maybe it's something that actually...
I mean, out of the imagination comes everything, right?
That's true.
This fucking computer didn't exist until somebody imagined it and then made it.
aubrey marcus
It also could be that these are really archetypal forces.
So, like, if you're talking about, you know, St. George or St. Michael or Jesus...
You're just basically giving a name to a spiritual force that has certain characteristics.
joe rogan
But you're also giving him a face, too.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, giving him a name and giving him a face.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
So what's happening there?
aubrey marcus
I think it might be all part of the translation mechanism.
It's communicating to you in the way that makes the most sense to you.
So let me get into the full story, because I've had some encounters with some entities.
Brian, do you have the music?
It might be kind of cool to cue this up so you can get a taste of what I was hearing as I was going through this.
joe rogan
And this is called, what are they called?
They're called the Icaros.
aubrey marcus
Icaros.
And these are passed down, grandfather to grandson.
joe rogan
And they're songs that they sing while the ayahuasca ceremony is going on?
unidentified
Yep.
aubrey marcus
And they take the ayahuasca with you.
So they learn these songs while on ayahuasca, and they sing the songs while on ayahuasca.
And also smoking the nicotina rustica cigarettes, which is a different type of tobacco.
joe rogan
Yeah, why does tobacco play a part?
They'll blow tobacco in your face?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, that's kind of a cleansing ritual, the tobacco part, but I think it also has some effect on opening up the reactors in your brain.
So, it kind of activates the ayahuasca experience.
I could do a little bit more research on the science behind it, but I think the nicotine has Some similar effect to the DMT reactors.
joe rogan
It's amazing how many people are misinformed about nicotine.
Nicotine actually is good for you.
Nicotine is healthy for people who have bad hearts.
You could use it as a medication in some circumstances.
It's just smoking it with 590 other chemicals is not so fucking fantastic.
We're smoking it, period.
aubrey marcus
Naturally, when you're getting a bundle out of the jungle, I think it's a little different.
joe rogan
Yeah, and cigars are different, too.
So anyway, this guy's singing this thing.
You're tripping balls already.
aubrey marcus
So the first time, I had kind of a real physical purge.
Not too much to talk about.
I was nauseous the whole time.
I was puking and shitting.
It was more about my body getting prepared for the second session.
The second session, I doubled up on the cups.
It's about an hour and a half in.
And I'm listening as you're basically hearing what I'm hearing at this point in time.
The shaman's kind of rattling his leaves and singing his songs.
And then the experience starts to get rich, like it did the time before.
And what appears to me is like a nexus of energy right in front of me.
And unlike last time where things were coming at me, snakes and eels were just charging at me from all directions, this time it was subtler.
unidentified
I felt like I was looking into like a black hole or a wormhole.
joe rogan
What is that sound?
aubrey marcus
The whistling?
joe rogan
No, the background.
aubrey marcus
That's the, I don't know, the cricket type.
joe rogan
That's the insects in the jungle.
aubrey marcus
That's the insects in the jungle.
We're outside in the jungle, yeah.
I mean, this is the real jungle.
joe rogan
Dude, just that alone.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, no, it's true.
joe rogan
Somebody got a rattle?
I'm like, what is that?
Is that a rattle?
No, that's insects.
brian redban
That's what Ohio sounds like at night.
joe rogan
I don't think Ohio sounds quite like the jungle sound.
brian redban
No, those insects.
joe rogan
I'm sure.
I mean, there are some insects in Ohio.
There's some insects out here at night, too.
But not so much you can hear them on an mp3 player like that.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
brian redban
Oh, yeah, totally.
unidentified
Really?
brian redban
Yeah, 100%.
unidentified
Maybe.
aubrey marcus
Something scarier about the jungle bugs.
Did you see anything like that?
No.
We did see a taper though as we were going through which is pretty cool.
One of those little anteater guys.
It appears to me as like a nexus and nothing much is happening.
joe rogan
The phone?
unidentified
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
Is there a nexus phone?
joe rogan
A Google phone?
aubrey marcus
No, but it's like a vortex, let's say.
Like a vortex and it's kind of swirled with some different colors purple and it's just kind of waiting there for me.
So I was like, well, I guess maybe I should ask something to come through it because nothing really was happening.
So I'm looking and I was like, alright, I'd like to be, you know, if anything's out there on the other side, you know, please come to me.
And I say that to myself in my head.
And then bursting through comes this huge dragon.
Like this giant, the dragon head was just ten feet right in front of me.
And it was a silver dragon in the kind of medieval stylings, and it had fluorescent green and blue highlights, and smoke was coming out of his nose, and he was clearly a fire-breathing type of dragon.
And he comes right up to me, and he goes, So you want to change the world?
And I go, yes.
And he goes, why?
And he's like flaming coming out of his mouth.
And I was like, because that's what I'm here for.
And he goes, and laughs.
And for whatever reason, I decided to take him like never ending story.
And I just hopped on his back.
joe rogan
What?
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
So I hopped on his back.
And he starts cruising, you know.
And we're kind of cruising through, and he goes, so why do you want to change the world?
joe rogan
This sounds like a kids movie.
aubrey marcus
I know, that's right.
It was a fully never-ending story.
unidentified
And I go, I go, to help people.
aubrey marcus
And then I thought that was a pretty good answer.
And he goes, are you sure?
And then right there he like shows me a cross-section of my life and all my actions.
And what he showed me was is that even though ostensibly I do a lot of things to help people, there's always a serious component of propping myself up, my own ego, my own persona, my own kind of establishing my own self in the world for, you know, egoistic and pride reasons.
And he just showed me this, like, lucidly clear, you know, that there was a mixture of my actions, you know, and he wanted to...
joe rogan
As with all of us.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, and he wanted to have me be aware of where that boundary line lie and not to trick myself or confuse myself in thinking that, you know, what I was doing wasn't also for my own benefit.
I was like...
All right, dragon.
Like, one point for you.
So then we keep cruising, and he starts to really get heated in the mouth.
Like, flame was trickling out, and he goes, what do you want to destroy?
And he, like, swoops down, and I was sure he was ready to just fuck some shit up.
So I was like, ignorance!
And I thought he was just going to lay the ground with fire.
And instead he goes, shouldn't that be what you want to heal?
unidentified
And I was like, yep, I guess you're right, dragon.
aubrey marcus
So he was really challenging me in these answers that I gave him, which was a pretty interesting kind of experience for this other entity to be clearly showing me different sides and teaching me things that I clearly wasn't quite aware of.
joe rogan
Maybe you were.
Maybe you, somewhere in the back of your head, were aware of your shortcomings.
Not even shortcomings, just slight bullshitting.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, exactly.
So he wanted to just carve away all that nonsense and then show me the rest.
So the dragon, I was still on his back, and he drops me off in the woods.
So he drops me off in the woods, and I'm walking through the woods.
joe rogan
Okay, so you, wait a minute.
How did you get to the woods, though?
aubrey marcus
I'm on the dragon's back.
Full never-ending story.
joe rogan
No, but are you really in the woods?
You're really in the woods.
aubrey marcus
I'm in the jungle, but whatever this...
joe rogan
How did you really get there, though?
I mean, you really didn't fly around in a fucking dragon.
Did you?
aubrey marcus
Well, in my mind, I did.
I was cruising on a dragon, and then all of a sudden, he drops me off, and I hop off.
I don't know.
The details of how I got off the dragon into the woods are...
joe rogan
I wonder what was really going on while you...
What I have seen.
brian redban
Are you on a dragon now?
unidentified
I'm off the dragon.
Dragon, let me off.
joe rogan
What would...
I wonder what I would see if I saw you doing that.
Would you just be walking?
And I'd be like, what are you doing?
brian redban
It's probably sitting down.
joe rogan
Teaching me so much about myself.
I'm like, what fucking dragon are you talking about, man?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, exactly.
So anyway, I dismount from the dragon somehow, and I'm in the woods, and I see a bear.
And the bear has a big, giant crown.
joe rogan
This sounds like a terrible idea to be tripping your balls off the jungle.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wandering through the woods by yourself.
And I'm assuming it's nighttime, too, right?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it's nighttime.
Well, I'm laid out.
This is all happening in my mind.
joe rogan
Okay, so you're not even moving.
aubrey marcus
I'm not even moving.
joe rogan
Okay.
aubrey marcus
No, I'm fully...
joe rogan
So you weren't actually in the woods?
aubrey marcus
No, no, no.
joe rogan
Okay, good.
aubrey marcus
I'm on my back in the jungle in the physical world.
And then in my mind's eye, yeah.
joe rogan
Now I feel better.
aubrey marcus
My mind's eye, so I'm going to...
joe rogan
I thought you were saying you were walking around for real.
aubrey marcus
That's a little scary.
Yeah, that's a little scary.
So I get dropped in like a forest.
And it was like a woodsy forest, like a Colorado-type forest, different than the jungle.
And I see a bear, and the bear has a gold crown on its head and a bunch of gold chains all over it.
joe rogan
Mr. T-Bear.
aubrey marcus
Mr. T-Bear, exactly.
And the bear is kind of struggling, and I see kind of like a ghost of the bear, like the spirit of the bear, and it's trying to leave the bear's body.
It's trying to like venture out, but it's stuck.
And then the bear catches sight of me.
And that's another crazy thing about seeing these beings.
It's like the bear turns to look at me and notices me.
It's not like he was waiting for me there.
He's like, oh, here you are.
You just showed up.
So he turns to me and he goes, I remember.
Before this crown and all these chains when I was just a bear and I could run free in the woods.
And I was like, okay, okay, I get it.
And basically what he was trying to tell me was, is that, you know, don't ever let money and wealth or anything tie you down and like keep you from your freedom and expressing what your real nature is.
And it's really kind of like a Buddhist sentiment.
joe rogan
That's a difficult thing for people to do.
It sounds like such a noble task when you're poor.
The real problem is once you actually get money.
You know, one of the big things that happens to people when they get money is they're scared of not having money.
So they start doing things they think like...
Especially, I see this with comics, they start saying things they think people want to hear, or they start avoiding any sort of controversy that might get them in trouble, or moving away from anything that might be controversial because they want to keep this money coming in.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, I got a career now.
I got to keep my career coming.
aubrey marcus
And the bear becomes no longer a bear in this analogy.
joe rogan
Yeah, the bear's got gold chains on it looking like a retard.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, exactly.
brian redban
Did this bear ask you for a picnic basket?
aubrey marcus
You might have.
It got real gay.
It did get real gay after that.
joe rogan
They tried to fuck you.
aubrey marcus
So at that point, like I... I don't know.
I somehow was able to like free the bear's spirit after he said that.
And we went like frolicking through the woods.
joe rogan
So he was your boy?
aubrey marcus
He was my boy after that.
So we like cruised around.
And then the final visitation from this being is I was cruising through the forest like hopping over logs.
It was very like Robin Hood cartoon style, you know.
Little John and Robin Hood through the forest type of program.
And then all of a sudden I see an eagle up in the sky.
And I raise my consciousness to the eagle.
It was really like a dream state.
So anything's possible.
So I just kind of float up to the eagle.
And the eagle looks at me.
And I'm cruising along.
And the eagle says, do you know how I see so well?
And I said, no.
He says, because I see through everybody else's eyes.
And I took a moment to sink in, and what he was showing me there was that all so often when we try and imagine what people are thinking or feeling, we have our own bias.
We don't actually truly see through their eyes.
Like, imagine what their fears and motivations and weaknesses.
Even the people that we don't like, we always see them with this kind of biased look, like, oh, that dude's a fucking idiot.
But if we really try to get into their eyes, you can learn something about that person and learn something about the world by actually dropping all of your kind of own ego and really assuming the eyes of whatever else you're trying to look at, whether it's an animal or a person or something like that.
joe rogan
I've tried that.
I've tried that with a lot of people.
I try that especially with people that I don't like.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
I always try to figure out how they got that.
Especially once I had kids.
Once I had kids, then I started looking at people completely different because I looked at them as babies and became adults.
So I looked at this weird process.
I used to see someone who was weak.
I'm like, you fucking weak bitch.
aubrey marcus
What's wrong with you?
joe rogan
That's what I would think.
And now I look and I'm like, wow, what happened?
How'd you get to this spot where you don't have any courage or you don't have any whatever it is?
Or you hate or you're racist.
Whatever's broken on you.
How'd you get there?
aubrey marcus
And that's a really valuable way to do it.
And also, I'm sure for comedy, you have to put yourself into the laugher's eyes and consciousness to a certain degree too, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
That I don't try to do.
I just try to do shit that I think is funny, and I hope they agree.
I mean, it's just too many people.
aubrey marcus
Too much of a different swath of people, yeah.
joe rogan
And too many people have their own take on what's funny and what's not.
It's like what happens when you get a television show, and then you get a whole slew of producers that have an opinion over what the character should be doing and what's funny and what's not funny.
Then it almost always goes to shit.
I mean, until one strong voice sort of takes over.
It's very hard to express your own sense of humor.
But try to express the sense of humor of a bunch of other fucking people.
aubrey marcus
A bunch of other random people, yeah.
Yeah, that makes sense.
But, you know, I guess so, for me, there was these three lessons from these three clearly...
Seemingly, you know, different entities.
And so, yeah, the question is, you know, were these part of my own consciousness teaching me these lessons?
Or were these...
brian redban
Did they all have the same voice?
aubrey marcus
No.
The dragon was like...
joe rogan
They all sound the same.
aubrey marcus
The bear and the dragon were close.
But the dragon was really...
I couldn't even mimic that voice.
It was like that booming...
Like, you're too close to the festival speaker's bass kind of voice.
And the bear was just like a bear-man voice.
unidentified
I don't know.
aubrey marcus
And the eagle was a little bit more normal.
But yeah, similar voices.
brian redban
If you had to fuck one of those animals, which one was it then?
joe rogan
I find that those themes reoccur with me over and over again just when I eat pot.
Those themes.
The themes of reality.
What's your real motivation when you're doing things?
What's your real experience with other people?
How much of disputes do you have with people?
How much of it is your fault?
So I would think that if you take a hallucinogen, I'm sure you have the same thoughts.
If you try to better yourself, if you're trying to move your life in a more positive direction, you're going to have the same sort of key stumbling roadblocks, I think, in the mind.
How much of my ego is holding me back?
How much of my perception of reality is distorted and that's holding me back?
aubrey marcus
Sure.
joe rogan
So you would think that a drug, if it was just something that would make you see Jesus or dragons, you know, that maybe that's what it is.
Like these themes.
And that it's spelled out to you because the drug thinks you're an idiot.
So it's like, show them a bear.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, exactly.
It comes to you in a way that you can understand.
joe rogan
And we are idiots.
I don't mean that in any disrespectful way at all, but one of the things that I feel most certainly when I do DMT or something along those lines is that I'm a fucking idiot.
It's a humbling experience.
aubrey marcus
I was extremely humbled after those visitations.
Because you think that you got it all right, and then it shows you someone like the dragon comes along and just is like, nobody.
You were a little off.
So here's the truth, and now I come to terms with it.
You're like, oh shit.
joe rogan
You can't have it right.
It's part of being a human.
Like the Dalai Lama doesn't even get laid.
He doesn't have it right.
aubrey marcus
He doesn't have it right.
joe rogan
He doesn't fuck.
He doesn't get his dick sucked.
He doesn't get his balls played.
aubrey marcus
And that's why he's not an effective leader.
How are you fully going to trust somebody?
joe rogan
I don't think he eats meat either.
He can go fuck himself.
brian redban
Do you think those crazy homeless people that are sitting there talking, having full-on conversations with dragons, do you think there's a big connection to actually feeling that and seeing that and opening your brain up to that guy?
joe rogan
It's a real good question, really, and you'd be disingenuous to not address it.
Because I think, what we said before, what's going on with those people in our medical idea, the medical community's version of it, is that there's an imbalance, a chemical imbalance, they have issues, they have whatever it is, they're psychotic, they're paranoid schizophrenic, whatever the diagnosis is, we're going out on a limb and saying there's some sort of chemicals that are out of whack there.
Well, the brain's just a soup of chemicals.
It's neurotransmitters, receivers, whatever the fuck the brain itself is, the neurons, all of it together, mushing around.
If one of those is out of whack, you know, and one of those is out of whack because you're crazy, or one of those is out of whack because you're at a hut in the fucking jungle, and you took some crazy shit, which is a soup of some roots that fucking...
Blow your neurotransmitter levels out of the water.
Like, this shit's coming out of your ears.
I mean, what's really happening there is that it might not be much different than what that guy's experiencing at the bus stop.
aubrey marcus
Well, I mean, the quality of content is certainly a little different.
joe rogan
Well, certainly, your brain, a healthy brain, can bring you back to baseline on a DMT flash in 15 minutes.
Ayahuasca is a little longer because it's absorbed by the stomach and so it's sort of a slower process.
What ayahuasca is is an orally active version of dimethyltryptamine, which is the most powerful psychedelic drug known to man, which is also produced by your own brain.
That's the weirdest part about it is that it's in all these different plants.
It's like in grass and all these fucking leaves and squirrels make it.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, sure.
joe rogan
It's everywhere.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it is.
There's a small amount in everything.
The leaves that they choose in the jungle, they choose a leaf called chacruna, which is one of the strongest DMT-containing plants in the jungle.
But actually, there's other plants like the acacia plant from Australia, which has an even much higher DMT content than that.
And you can make an ayahuasca out of other different things.
Like you could use a Syrian rue and acacia to make a different ayahuasca-type rue.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you have a different experience.
aubrey marcus
And you have a different qualitative experience.
joe rogan
Well, that was one of the things they say about the idea of the psychedelic experience is that When you're taking it, you're taking in the experiences of all the other people who have also experienced a psychedelic drug.
And as you do mushrooms, you are actually contributing to the library of mushroom experiences.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, the collective unconscious of all of that.
It becomes the spirit of the mushroom or the spirit of the ayahuasca.
That's generally how they talk about it.
joe rogan
You know where else that acacia bush is?
In large quantities?
Israel.
aubrey marcus
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, the burning bush.
And that's what they believe was the burning bush.
This is scholars believe this.
Legitimate guys who aren't even psychedelic scholars, because those are slippery scholars, those psychedelic scholars.
Some of them are a little sketchy.
But there's a recent thing where these guys from some major university in Jerusalem were talking about how they believe that Moses receiving the Ten Commandments from God and God taking the form of the burning bush was most likely a bush that contained psychedelic chemicals.
He's smoking the acacia bush.
aubrey marcus
Makes sense.
joe rogan
It totally makes sense.
aubrey marcus
So many of those mystical experiences make perfect sense, if you put it in that category.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you put them in a psychedelic drug perspective.
That is the most obvious one ever, though, okay?
It's a burning bush.
They're not calling it anything else.
It's a burning bush.
And it just so happens the acacia bush has the highest concentration of DMT. Of any plant in the world.
Yeah, and it grows all over the fucking place, right where this dude saw God.
You know, what bush do you think it was burning?
It was probably that bush.
I bet if you burned a bush and fucking got over it and sucked it all in, I bet you would see the same shit Moses sucked.
aubrey marcus
Especially if you were hungry, if you were walking around fasting, or doing whatever Moses was doing.
joe rogan
You were tripping your balls off anyway.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
Absolutely.
joe rogan
I think a great many of the religious experiences that people have had can be connected to psychedelics, including Mayan art and Egyptian art.
Because one of the creepiest things that I've found is that, especially on mushrooms, I have seen a lot of Mayan things.
I've seen a lot of Mayan imagery and freshly painted Mayan hieroglyphs.
You see that sort of imagery and you wonder what came first, the chicken or the egg?
Because you know these motherfuckers were eating mushrooms like crazy.
I mean, they were living in the jungle where these things grow.
They look like dinner plates, if you've ever seen them.
And Mexico had one of the richest traditions of mushroom use.
aubrey marcus
Sure.
joe rogan
That's where Gordon Wasson first found out about it and all these different shamans in Mexico take people on these journeys to the spirit world using these fucking dinner plate sized mushrooms.
aubrey marcus
That's one interesting thing about the psychedelics that make it seem like it's not your mind.
Like someone can take ayahuasca.
Anywhere in the world.
The desert, the mountains, the city, whatever.
And they're almost always going to have similar visions of snakes and the jungle and these different beings.
Jaguars.
Jaguars.
Always goes back to the jungle.
You know, how is that possible if it's just solely being mind created?
It seems like that's where it gets weird.
And that's why even with these beings, like, you know, I was laughing with Mitch Schultz.
I was talking to him the other day.
Yeah.
And we're saying, you know, if the LeBron James of ayahuasca came along, he could go to these entities and figure out what they do when they're not teaching people shit, you know, if they're real.
Because whenever they appear, they're always trying to teach you something or tell you something.
Like, what are they doing?
Do they, like, hang out and play around, like, play board games?
Or, like, what do they do in their life?
Like, how do you get...
To that point where you can experience more than just taking a lesson.
And that would be the way to determine whether these are just ways that your mind is communicating with itself or whether these things have a life outside of this didactic purpose that they have.
joe rogan
It feels like you're popping your head into somewhere you're not supposed to be.
unidentified
It does.
joe rogan
That's what it always feels.
You're like, what am I doing here?
And they're like, what are you doing here?
Yeah, exactly.
Oh, you're back.
Oh, you're back.
It's weird that they communicate with you, and sometimes in sentences and words you've heard before.
brian redban
It might be a delay in your inner conscious.
You know how you can, like, if you listen to your inner conscious talking, and imagine the drug just slows down your ability to receive your inner conscious voice.
unidentified
It could.
brian redban
And so it sounds like it's somebody else, but it's really yourself in your inner conscious talking to yourself.
unidentified
It could be.
joe rogan
Yeah, it could be.
It could be a lot of different things, for sure.
You know, I think one of the first DMT trips that I had, one of the weirdest feelings about it all was that the idea of being connected to everything sounds like such fucking hippie bullshit.
It sounds like nonsense.
You know, to say, we are here, but we are connected to everything.
It's, I'm not feeling that, you know, I don't, I know that that might be real, but for whatever reason, I don't really feel that.
I don't feel the subatomic particles, I don't feel the atom, I don't feel the cell, I don't, I just feel me.
And I know that I'm breathing air, but I don't feel the fact that the air is connected to all these, it's all a soup of things.
But when you have the DMT experience, one of the things that it does is it strips...
Whatever you're experiencing while you're tripping your balls off, it strips away the physical presence of things.
And it's almost like the world of, you know, here's the ground, and here's the air, and here's a tree, and here's a building.
That world is replaced by a world where nothing has any matter.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nothing has any physical matter, but everything is everywhere.
Everything is everywhere, and you're in the middle of it, and there's no ends, and there's no beginning, there's no roof, there's no floor.
It's just one thing.
It's all a part of one thing, and you're in there scrambling, trying to make sense of it, and these things come out of nowhere that are essentially constantly changing as you're watching them, so you're not even sure what the fuck it actually is.
aubrey marcus
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
And, you know, it might be your own mind.
It might be your own mind trying to make sense of the whole thing.
And they're trying to give you information.
One of the things they try to tell you is to try to stop.
Don't freak out and try to suck it all in.
Try to take in as much as you can because you know this is crazy.
And they tell you they love you, too.
It's always a big thing.
Like, love you like...
One of the experiences that I had, they sang to me like a child.
They had this song.
I love you 600 million, 500,000 times.
Which is like how a kid would say something.
And then they would go, look at this!
And they would show me something fucking insane.
Something where you couldn't look at it.
It was too beautiful to look at.
And then it would say it again.
Like, I love you 600 million, 500 thousand times.
aubrey marcus
Look at this!
joe rogan
And every time it was, look at this.
I remember crying.
Because what I was looking at was too impossible.
Nothing could be that beautiful.
And every time they would say, look at this, it would get a million times more beautiful.
It was just taking my breath away.
I couldn't breathe.
It was very, very strange.
But it was very, very, very positive.
The experience all over was very positive.
And so much of it was like, dude, relax.
Relax.
This whole thing is, first of all, way beyond your control, way bigger than you think.
And it's going to be fine.
That was a big theme next year.
If anything that I learned from it, I learned that.
I think DMT made me a nicer person.
I think I learned how to chill out more.
aubrey marcus
Sure.
It's really valuable that way.
Actually, just speaking about what you were saying, so the third time I drank...
I didn't have any particularly crazy visions, but for three hours, the hut that I was in, everything else melted away, and I felt myself dissolve into the floor of the jungle.
The bugs and the worms were crawling through me.
It was like I was no longer a physical being.
And I was absolutely one with the jungle.
And I was asking, I was like, hey, does the dragon want to show up?
unidentified
Does anybody want to come?
aubrey marcus
But nobody wanted to come.
It was just like literally three hours just breathing with the jungle.
And I left that and I was like, it was just a really grounding and connecting experience.
But it was almost at that point, I think the message to me was like, you know, we're done teaching you silly little lessons.
Like, you know, take this, be grounded, be humble, be connected, and go off and do, you know, do your work.
joe rogan
Do what you need to do.
Ayahuasca's version of get it together, bitches.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, yeah.
It was just really so peaceful.
But I remember, you know, all of the things that normally would creep me out, the creepy crawlers of the jungle.
You know, you look at the ground in the jungle and it's alive.
You know, there's ants moving.
All kinds of shit.
That was me.
That was in my body.
And I was just totally relaxed and disintegrated.
And that was a really kind of powerful medicinal effect.
joe rogan
The vine of thorns.
Sliding down a vine of thorns to your death.
aubrey marcus
Naked.
Naked.
That was the fucked up part.
I was like, why do I gotta be naked?
Like, why does it take my genitals first?
Like, for what reason?
joe rogan
And it's just shredding off.
aubrey marcus
Just shredding them.
joe rogan
How much pain were you in?
aubrey marcus
You don't feel the physical pain, but you have that kind of horror.
Yeah, the horror of your genitals being mutilated as you're sliding down a vine of thorns.
So it can get intense, but you've just got to remove yourself from that kind of angst and just witness and allow.
That's the mantra.
Anybody who's going through any of these experiences, just witness it and allow it to happen, whatever it may be.
But you know, the last experience I did was the Iboga experience.
And this one really kind of drew some counterpoints to those two experiences.
They're so wildly different.
And I think I touched on this last time because I was fresh from Iboga.
But Ayahuasca will show you some things that you have no fucking clue what it means.
Like one of the visions I had after the dragon, the bear, the eagle, is I was on this Viking ship and I was rowing through this sea, this moonlit sea.
You know, I'm like, all right, sweet, I'm on this ship.
I don't know what's going on.
And then all of a sudden the ship peels out and heads straight towards the moon.
So we're going straight towards this giant blue moon.
And this moonlight is like bathing me.
And then this purple orb comes drifting out of the moon.
And it's drifting towards me, drifting towards me.
And I open my mouth and I eat it.
And then I was like, wow, that was significant.
That must have done something.
But nothing happened.
I don't know what it was.
joe rogan
Tripping your balls off.
aubrey marcus
That's it.
That was it.
And then the whole time, even to this day, I mean, the best explanation I had was maybe it had something to do with like the feminine energy of the moon, but I don't fucking know.
I have no clue if that had any meaning at all, or if it was just some random trip.
brian redban
Did you say the feminine energy of the moon?
joe rogan
Why would you think the moon would be feminine?
unidentified
I don't know.
aubrey marcus
I don't know.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm reaching for straws here.
joe rogan
Just reaching for straws.
aubrey marcus
Archetypally, it is feminine.
joe rogan
Everybody loves that feeling, that way of distinguishing things.
The feminine energy of the forest.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
Who knows?
But that's the difference between a boga.
A boga will tell you.
It doesn't bother with the pictures of this strange moon and this purple orb.
It'll be like, yo, this is the truth, and it's in kind of your own voice.
But ayahuasca will give you things.
I mean, some things were very poignant and...
It taught me a lesson, like the things with the allies, but there's all these other visions that you're left like, what the fuck was that?
So it can be a challenge in some of that regard.
But the physical experience you feel, how connected you feel, how cleansed you feel, because afterwards, After that third session, he took one of his cigarettes, the nicotinia rustica cigarettes, and he blew it down my spine and on the top of my head and in different key parts.
I wasn't even that nauseous that whole time, the third time.
I felt very comfortable.
I got back to the room and just fucking lost it.
I felt like I was heaving some giant ball of something from the depths of my soul.
I don't know what was going on.
It hit my mouth so hard that I exploded vomit from my mouth and my nose.
And there's nothing worse than stomach acid and old ayahuasca blasting out of your nose at the same time.
And at the same time, my eyes are watery.
I can hardly see.
There's no electricity in the bathroom because they run the generator like three hours.
So then I have to turn around and blast some shit in the toilet too.
And it's like this brutal, savage cleanse.
And that somehow it seemed triggered by...
Whatever kind of cigarette cleansing thing he did the next day.
Because I saw him the next morning and he just had this big smile on his face.
And he asked me in his broken English and Spanish, you know, how was last night?
And I was like...
What the fuck, man?
He's like, tobacco.
And just nods and laughs and pats me on the back and keeps walking.
joe rogan
The tobacco makes you throw up and shit yourself?
aubrey marcus
I don't know.
I mean, whether the tobacco is a vehicle for some kind of trigger or whether it itself did something.
Whatever happened, I had the most intense purge that I've ever had in my life.
Like, savage.
And that was his intention while doing it.
brian redban
Was it Minfo?
aubrey marcus
It does have a different style.
brian redban
Maybe it wasn't tobacco, you know.
unidentified
Maybe that was what he, like, quote-unquote tobacco.
brian redban
It was really some kind of poison.
joe rogan
It's roofied you, son.
aubrey marcus
But it was potent.
And that's something that, I think that's why they call it the master medicine.
Because you feel like you purge all of these different poisons from your body.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ.
It seems like you should be able to do that in America.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, absolutely.
joe rogan
So ridiculous.
You have to get on a canoe to do this.
aubrey marcus
Absolutely.
Go all the way to Peru.
joe rogan
You should be able to do it in Dallas.
You should be able to get a nice hotel, get a steak, go somewhere nice, a resort.
aubrey marcus
It's really preposterous.
To think that people would be abusing...
It's not fucking fun.
It's valuable.
It's medicine.
You do it with intention.
joe rogan
Nobody gets through it unscathed.
You're going to learn something.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's like, I've never heard of anybody that has had like a real deep psychedelic journey that didn't come back and go, well, I gotta fucking rethink everything.
I've never, I don't know anybody that has.
A real one.
Yeah.
You know, and if you don't, Jesus Christ, what fucking hope is there for you?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
aubrey marcus
Right.
joe rogan
You goddamn dullard.
If you're, you know, if you're able to do that in cities, if there was places where you could go, get your shit together...
We'd have way more people with their shit together.
aubrey marcus
Totally.
joe rogan
We really would.
aubrey marcus
It's the counterbalance.
It's like the way to counterbalance all of this, you know, living in an apartment and grinding and strip malls.
joe rogan
And doing shit you don't like.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Doing shit you don't like.
Because it doesn't mean that everybody can't live the perfect life.
But guess what?
You're not everybody, okay?
The world's going to keep going as it always has with or without you.
It's going to be going.
There's too many.
You're not that important, okay?
So if that is the case, it is possible for you, you the individual, then again, this whole thing might be your imagination.
I might be a creation of your imagination.
As you hear this, I might not even exist, okay?
I might be here just to get these words into your mind so somehow or another you zig left when everybody wants you to zig right.
Maybe that's what it is.
aubrey marcus
Now that's that brain in a vat skeptical question.
joe rogan
I'm not real.
I'm not real.
You're real, Joe Rogan.
aubrey marcus
God damn it.
joe rogan
You're real.
I'm the influence for you to stray from the herd.
aubrey marcus
You know how there was an old debate.
That was a popular debate for a while amongst philosophers.
Are we real?
How do you know if we're real?
And there's a famous case where one philosopher, someone was going off on that.
You don't know that you're real.
You don't know that I'm real, whatever.
And he takes off his glove and he slaps the guy across the face.
It was like, was that real?
Maybe not.
joe rogan
He might have fucking needed that guy in his imaginary words, slap him in the face so he could get anything done.
aubrey marcus
That's the only way you can effectively combat that argument.
joe rogan
It's a weird idea, man.
I mean, you think about you're tripping your balls off on ayahuasca and certain people are seeing Jesus.
And then other people are seeing jaguars.
They're seeing things they're scared of or things that they revere.
I'm not convinced that the imagination only has the power to create things and then manifest them in the real world with actions.
It might have a secondary power.
It might have an actual power of creation.
I don't know what the fuck happens when you leave my house.
I'm pretty sure you get in your car and you go to your life and you go and do your thing and hang out with your girlfriend and get in your car and I'm pretty sure you do the same thing.
But I'm not positive.
I'm not really positive about any of this.
And I'm not positive that as you move in a certain direction that, you know, you're the same person every step of the way.
You're the same you.
There might be an infinite number of yous with every single decision you make branches off into another you and another way and another version and another reality and all these realities intertwine with each other and then we meet.
That's why sometimes when you run into someone, it's like, you've been on a path, and you've been on a journey, and this motherfucker has been on a different thing.
Not the same as you, less self-objective, less self-analytical, and maybe self-destructive.
And then you're around them, it's like, how did I ever hang out with you?
We live in a different world.
You kind of do.
Maybe you kind of do live in a different world.
Maybe the idea that time is this one flat, linear thing that we're all sort of living our lives in, in this one sort of band.
Maybe that's not real.
Maybe it's just like the DMT dimension.
Maybe it's just a fucking great big giant soup of potential universes that are constantly shifting.
And we just flip back and forth from one to the other and move through them.
Like a...
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it's so hard to say.
I mean, I particularly like the paradigm that the shamans have there, in which case they describe all of these different dimensions as the layers of an onion, and each person as a toothpick that pierces all the different layers of the onion.
And so that you're occupied in your consciousness on the first tangible layers, which encompass the first through the fourth, space and time, basically.
That's what you're conscious of.
And then the fifth part of the toothpick is you move up to another layer.
That's the dream state.
That's the collective consciousness.
And then the sixth and seventh dimensions, those have the disembodied non-human entities that you interact with.
Like the floats that I found were from the seventh.
They would call the dragon and these other things that you see, you know, the people singing you child songs.
Those are beings of the sixth dimension.
And then the eighth dimension is this kind of oversight dimension where you can actually manipulate all the dimensions beneath it and see everything.
It's like the highest vantage point where you can see the dimension of imminent possibility where you can basically do what you're saying with your imagination, believe things into reality from the eighth dimension.
Imagine things into reality.
joe rogan
Has anybody ever had an experience from the eighth dimension where they imagined some reality and then manifested it and then wrote about it?
This is where I got this idea.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, the shamans do.
And that's where they say they got the idea to create ayahuasca and they get these messages and these different herbal treatments and it's from these 8th dimension teachings that they have.
But again, I think there hasn't been enough of that, but it's because there's not enough fucking people who have the skills able to do that to also not only get there, but then communicate the idea to a mass market.
I mean, it's just such a limited swath of people who are able to access that dimension, A. And then B, to have that, to cross-section that with the amount of people who could then think of something, bring something back and express it, it starts to get really small numbers.
joe rogan
It's so funny how many people who are productive members of society, who are interested in personal growth, who are all disciplined, getting their shit done, would never consider doing drugs to further themselves.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
They would never even consider the possibility.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
It sounds like bullshit.
It sounds like an excuse to do drugs.
But really, the greatest leaps I've personally experienced have been after psychedelic trips, for sure.
aubrey marcus
Absolutely.
You know, I watched the Ray Kurzweil documentary, Transcendent Man.
Have you seen that one?
And it occurred to me, you know, he's always looking for these different technologies to answer some two basic questions.
One, he wants to conquer death.
And two, he wants to kind of revive his father's memory.
I mean, those are big overriding forces.
He also has a lot of altruistic goals, and he's an absolute genius, no doubt about it.
But he's overlooking some very basic technologies that have been around forever.
And these technologies are the psychedelics.
I really truly believe that you can look at those as a technology.
And the technology of ayahuasca can get him over his fear of death and show him that there is an eternal part of him and everybody that's going to extend past this meat sack that we're currently walking around in.
But he's ignoring that technology because he's bought into the lie that this is a drug and this is bad.
And the Iboga technology could get him direct access to the memories of his father.
So even if he wasn't really talking to his father, I haven't made up a decision as to whether you're actually accessing these people or just conversing with their memory, he's at least going to be able to access the memories that he's trying to bring back through technology.
He'll be able to access them, he'll be able to communicate with his father, and maybe have some cathartic peace.
from those from those experiences but because you know some body in their higher knowledge said oh these things are illegal in the United States where you know they're legal in different places but illegal here he's completely ignored those technologies and it's been you know something that's really sad for his life may be good for all of ours because he's been rabidly pushing forward other technologies to get there and so he's advanced humankind dramatically where maybe he wouldn't have if he had had access to these other things but It's really interesting how
a genius like that can be so focused on one area and then just ignore something that's so right there in front of them.
Been around for thousands of years.
joe rogan
Well, it's almost impossible to know everything about everything.
I mean, it is impossible to know everything about everything.
And, you know, a guy like that is obviously very driven and very successful, and he's a guy who works very hard.
He's a very no-nonsense sort of a guy.
And I think that guys like that, they look at drugs as being a way to derail yourself.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it's a self-indulgent, sort of self-destructive activity.
aubrey marcus
Propaganda.
joe rogan
Yeah, poor fools.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, propaganda.
It's a bummer.
I actually had another thought.
This is kind of changing the subject a little bit, but I think I have my, I developed my own version of the singularity.
I think, you know, he has a very kind of technological kind of view of when that's going to happen, when man and machine become indistinguishable and I follow a lot of what he's saying.
I think that nanotechnology could eventually take over the immune responsibilities and the computational responsibilities that we currently have.
I'm fine with that.
But I don't believe that's really the singularity because I certainly do believe in an eternal part of us.
And I think that the real singularity is going to come when we advance to the stage where we can consciously take that eternal part And choose which body we want to be in, and whether we want to be in it or not.
So that whole death, you know, the myth of death, when we think we die and we think it's all over, it's really a transition.
When we transcend that, and we can just take our spirit and say, okay, I'm going to live in this body for a little while, and then okay, I'm done with that body.
I'll take my spirit and push it into another body.
And so that consciousness never experiences the memory loss, never experiences that lack of connectedness with everything else.
I think for me, That is the true singularity.
And I think that singularity would come when you really push the advances in this kind of psychedelic exploration.
I don't think that comes from technology.
Maybe we do have to extend our lives another 500 years to be able to get there.
And technology can help us extend our lives for 500 years or whatever.
But I think ultimately the big advances that are going to take us to that complete paradigm shifting level are going to come from, you know, manipulating molecules like DMT and how they interact with the brain and transcending and being able to master these altered extra states of consciousness.
joe rogan
I think that technology is sort of a psychedelic experience.
It's just a really slow-moving one.
What psychedelics do is they dissolve boundaries and they create the impossible in front of you and it's sort of humbling to the ego and provide you with a limitless source of information.
That's the internet.
The internet is psychedelic defined.
The internet is psychedelic.
It's not a big hallucination.
So we sort of mistake the concept of what is psychedelic.
But the technology for sure is changing everything and providing people with Things that to them will be a regular part of their everyday life, but just a hundred years ago were impossible and science fiction and insane.
And then it just becomes normal and you just get used to it.
If we stay alive for a million years, what is this going to look like?
You know what I mean?
It will look psychedelic.
It'll look like a goddamn DMT flash.
The world will look like something that we can't even wrap our heads around.
We all have Google goggles on And we're walking around reading each other's auras.
There's new scanners that they're introducing at the TSA that are going to be able to scan what you've had to eat that day.
Like literally, there'll be something like...
aubrey marcus
Is that for drug mules that are swallowing?
joe rogan
For everything, yes.
aubrey marcus
Cocaine balloons?
joe rogan
For not only that, they'll be able to tell if people are high.
They'll be able to tell if you're intoxicated, if you're drunk, if you're on pot, whatever.
They'll be able to scan your fucking molecule.
unidentified
What a fucking disaster!
joe rogan
Oh yeah!
Well, that's what it is.
This lack of privacy is no longer a problem, but it's now a reality.
It's slowly changing from, you know, like, what are we going to do when the government can read your email, too?
Everyone's going to be able to read your email.
You know, there's not going to be any information that you can share, or that you can hide, rather.
It's going to get to a point where every thought that you ever have is able to be accessed.
It's going to be ones and zeros.
brian redban
They're breaking the wall.
joe rogan
It's going to finally reach the convergence.
That's the real technological singularity, right?
The idea that we all converge.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, but not with some malicious bad parent running a fucking show.
joe rogan
Well, like we have right now.
Yeah, we've got to figure that out.
They have to catch the fuck up.
Because the only reason why they're a malicious parent is because they're ignorant.
They haven't had those experiences.
Which is why I've said before, you should never be a fucking president or any kind of leader unless you've had a massive psychedelic experience.
And people say that that's ridiculous.
I mean, to the uninitiated, me saying that is like, oh, that's Rogan being silly.
He's just talking nonsense, the fucking cage-fighting commentator.
He likes extreme shit.
No, rationally.
Who the fuck are you to try to change the world unless you haven't...
Improve the world.
You're going to keep playing the same stupid game.
aubrey marcus
See what the fucking dragon has to say about indefinite detention.
joe rogan
Wouldn't you love to see Barack Obama, just a fucking hut filled with Barack Obama, George Bush Jr., George Bush Sr., Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and they were all ayahuasca.
unidentified
They would be puking out little fucking demons.
brian redban
I'd rather see them on ecstasy.
aubrey marcus
That'd be hilarious.
joe rogan
Yeah, but I'm actually...
I mean, they'll be nice to each other for a few hours.
brian redban
It'd be awesome, isn't it?
joe rogan
And they'll have headaches and fucking nuke somebody for it.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, then the serotonin will deplete themselves and they'll be fucking more cranky than ever.
joe rogan
But if you got them on, like, a real session, a five or six session, month-long journey, just leave them out there.
At the end of it, how do you feel, Mr. Wolfowitz?
unidentified
Yeah, just thinking about all the millions of deaths they've...
joe rogan
They've caused that could have been avoided.
All the babies in Iraq with no legs.
aubrey marcus
They may not come back from the jungle.
They may feel like they just fucking can't come back.
joe rogan
They're going to go for a walk until a jaguar gets them.
aubrey marcus
That's it.
joe rogan
Sacrifice themselves.
Even a jaguar probably wouldn't get Dick Cheney.
Like, what am I going to do with this old motherfucker?
The Jaguars, they probably even want to eat people that are that old.
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
This is poison.
joe rogan
Old cheeseburger-eating douchebag probably smells like ass.
Imagine how bad that smells to a Jaguar.
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
Couldn't be good.
joe rogan
On his second heart.
aubrey marcus
The Caymans would get him.
joe rogan
They don't give a fuck.
aubrey marcus
Caymans will eat anything.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, they will, right?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, they're...
joe rogan
They don't get that big, though, do they?
aubrey marcus
Not too big.
joe rogan
How big is it?
aubrey marcus
They're not that scary.
They can get like 10 feet.
joe rogan
10 feet?
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
10 feet can kill you.
aubrey marcus
10 feet can kill you, but they're not that aggressive.
joe rogan
They're not like crocodiles.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, they're not like the crocs.
joe rogan
It's weird how parts of the world, like some parts just develop too much cattle.
They develop too many unulant animals, too many hooved animals, and they're like, all right.
Bring in the monsters.
The monsters have to chase down these 50 mile an hour running cows and kill these fucking things.
Everywhere you look that has too many cows, too many whatever it is, whether it's antelope or water buffalo, there's crocodiles, there's wildebeest, there's crocodiles, there's lions.
It's almost like nature goes, stop.
You fucking cunts.
You want to stop fucking and eating grass?
Alright, bring it in.
aubrey marcus
Send the monsters.
joe rogan
But in the Amazon, there's no cattle.
So they're like, yeah, little crocodiles.
Little ones.
Little caimans.
Snakes and shit.
aubrey marcus
Clean up the fish.
joe rogan
Snakes.
We don't have herds of cattle wandering through the rainforest that you have to minimize.
aubrey marcus
No.
You do get a very balanced sense.
Nature got it right there when you're in the jungle.
Every inch is covered in life and the life is all kind of working together.
It's a pretty cool feeling.
joe rogan
It's sad as fuck when you fly over the areas that have been chewed up.
We flew into Brazil and there's areas we fly over where you can see where they've chopped down big swaths of the rainforest And it's like wow that's no joke like that's a lot like they've cut a lot of fucking trees down man Yeah, and that rainforest is not growing back where they cut it down.
I mean, it's not it doesn't grow back there It doesn't it dries up and that's it.
It needs the more I mean, it's like a self-sustaining sort of an environment the rainforest is and And when you chop it down, it's not like it just builds back up.
That ground gets dry there because it's constantly exposed to the sun.
It changes everything.
It changes the whole ballgame.
It's really sad.
It's really kind of fucked up.
aubrey marcus
How many years would it take to grow all that back?
Eventually it would grow back.
joe rogan
Would it?
brian redban
Seven.
joe rogan
Would it eventually?
I don't know if it would.
I think where the Nile Valley is used to be at one point in time a rainforest.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it used to be lush.
joe rogan
Look at it now.
It didn't grow back.
It became fucking sand, a desert.
aubrey marcus
That's true.
Weather patterns might have had something to do with that.
joe rogan
I was watching a fucked up documentary on Neanderthals that may or may not be bullshit.
Seems like it's bullshit according to a lot of these science people have debunked it, but it's really cool.
It's too bad that it's bullshit because He wrote this thing about Neanderthals that we sort of, I think the word is anthropomorphize.
You sort of give animals human characteristics.
Right.
And he compares a human skull with a Neanderthal skull.
It's really fascinating.
That, first of all, you know, we see images of Neanderthals.
They always look like people.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, you think Geico cavemen.
joe rogan
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
Which is like Ari on a bad day.
joe rogan
But we're very different looking than Neanderthals.
Neanderthals have much larger eyes, and they're much higher on their head.
They're like where our forehead is.
It's weird.
They would look weird as fuck.
If you saw a Neanderthal in front of you, it wouldn't be like, oh, there's a dude that's on his way to the movies.
It'd be like, what the fuck is going on there?
And this guy made them out.
The other thing is that we always assume they have white skin.
And he made versions of them, like an artificial version of them, where they had black skin like a gorilla, and they were super muscular.
And his idea is that we were at war with Neanderthals until the intelligent humans figured out how to overcome them.
But look at one of the images this motherfucker put up.
Whoa.
Yeah.
He's like, they would have big slit eyes like a cat so they could see at night.
Their eyes were much larger than ours.
And they were using tools, and they were intelligent, and they probably hunted us.
brian redban
It's like Avatar.
joe rogan
It looks fucking badass.
But apparently there's very little to support this guy's theories.
And he's most likely gone silly and went like super sensationalist with all this.
But it is kind of cool.
aubrey marcus
So Neanderthals was a terminal chain of its own in the evolutionary, like the branch that created Homo sapiens happened earlier, and then Neanderthals was some terminal node that died out, right?
Well, they didn't evolve from Neanderthals to anything else.
joe rogan
Exactly.
Well, see, I don't know.
It's all very sketchy.
But Neanderthals evolved in Europe.
Homo sapiens evolved in Africa.
That's what we know.
But we also know that a lot of people have a certain percentage of Neanderthals in them.
So we don't know what happened there, whether we fucked them or they fucked us.
aubrey marcus
Both.
joe rogan
Yeah, or both.
But if they looked like this, it would be pretty freaky.
If they really did look like giant evil gorillas.
aubrey marcus
How many people wanted to fuck the blue avatar chick?
joe rogan
I want to fuck that big crazy blue bitch.
Especially if you could be in that big blue body.
Being a dude's body.
She was sexy, man.
There was something about her.
She was.
The Na'vi.
Yeah.
How many people got depressed after they saw that movie and wanted to live in the Avatar world?
You know how weird that is?
aubrey marcus
It was definitely idyllic.
joe rogan
But that was like a real issue with people.
They got Avatar to pressure.
We still long for that sort of noble hunter-gatherer existence.
We still long for that.
aubrey marcus
And the connectedness.
The sense of tribe.
We have no fucking sense of tribe anymore, really.
joe rogan
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
You know, we're so isolated.
joe rogan
This is as close as a tribe as we get.
Yeah, this is it.
aubrey marcus
A couple friends.
joe rogan
Yeah, we don't even live near each other.
He has to drive for fucking, I see him four days a week, he drives like an hour to get here.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
Imagine if you had to walk.
We're nowhere near our friends.
aubrey marcus
And that's so, you know, I think that's so important in so much of what's missing and allows people to get so fucking off.
I was just going, I was walking through a TV and I hate seeing local news shit.
And I talked about some dude who had his wife chained up and was beating her with a hot frying pan.
And I'm like, oh, I fucking hate hearing that because it makes me so mad.
But I'm thinking, if there was a tribe, if that meant...
Only exists because he was allowed to live out on a farm and nobody fucking checked on him.
But if you were in a tribe, that shit doesn't happen.
It's like, where's your wife?
I haven't seen her for 10 years.
unidentified
And I hear fucking hissing and screaming from your hut.
aubrey marcus
Oh, Jesus Christ.
There's some kind of...
The tribe would have taken care of that guy.
It would have been like, you are a fucking sick dog.
Go back to the source.
You're done.
You're done.
And that just doesn't happen.
There's no kind of...
And that's an extreme example.
I mean, easier examples are the people who are bummed out and depressed and can't talk to anybody or can't do anything or can't have that social contact.
I saw something else on the, I think it's disinfo.com site where this woman started a service where she's charging like $60 to snuggle for like an hour, you know, in like a New York or a city like that.
joe rogan
She's going to get raped.
Yeah.
It is.
aubrey marcus
But people are so fucking isolated from other human contact that it's seriously depressing them.
joe rogan
$60 to snuggle.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
$60 to snuggle.
joe rogan
No one's going to just want that snuggling.
aubrey marcus
Some people need it, man.
joe rogan
She's teasing.
brian redban
If she's hot, I'd do it.
$60?
joe rogan
Of course you would do it, but you would try to fuck her.
Maybe you see this bullshit.
Maybe they're hookers.
They just start off with snuggling.
aubrey marcus
Make sure you're not a cop.
If you take a baby monkey away from the human contact of the mother monkey, if it can't hug up on it, they've done studies about that, and the monkey gets fucked up.
It's terrifying.
It's all fucking whacked out.
I think a certain amount of contact and interaction is what our species is made for.
joe rogan
Isn't it ironic that the larger the species group gets, the less contact it has with each other?
I mean, you would think that this 300 million of us, fuck, would be interacting with each other all day long, constantly, never get away from each other.
It's almost like technology is trying to bring us closer to a tribe.
Technology, by dissolving secrets and boundaries, is trying to bring this gigantic group back together again as one individual unit like a tribe.
But I think that...
There's a weird problem that we have with the fact that technology is just fucking taking off faster than our biology can catch up to.
aubrey marcus
I agree.
joe rogan
I think it's real hard for people to be happy in the reality of today's world because just physiologically...
Well, first of all, monogamy.
How many people struggle with monogamy?
How many people struggle with the idea of the responsibility of being a parent?
How many people struggle with the idea of the fact that you have to sustain some sort of a living and an existence?
It all seems like something you don't want to do.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
But yet, this is what everybody's doing.
Everybody's getting the house and paying.
You got a 30-year commitment to pay the X amount a month and you got to work or they fucking take all your house away and everything you paid will go to nothing and you're fucking doomed.
I mean, if you look at the way a lot of people are forced to live this life, it's so completely and totally unnatural, but so completely and obviously designed to keep this machine moving in the same direction.
Because you keep this machine mass-producing technology, mass-producing innovation, and moving it faster and faster and further and further.
Ultimately, everybody's like a little worker bee trying to push their segment of technology further.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, but the consciousness is starting to reject it.
You're starting to see the casualties.
The casualties have been around for a long time.
joe rogan
And they fill those with antidepressants.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, keep them in the system.
Keep them going.
But at a certain point, people are going to get fucking fed up again.
And I think that's maybe what this whole change in consciousness that people are talking about.
I think that actually may be real.
I don't know if it has anything to do with what the Mayans were talking about.
But you can kind of sense something different is happening now.
joe rogan
Well, I think just the fact that we've been bombarded with truth for the past, you know, who knows how many years now.
We're constantly bombarded with reality and information.
And that's just such a strange time where there's no running from reality.
Whereas before, people could just sort of live in the dark or go super religious or, you know, they could block themselves off to giant chunks of what really, you know, makes the world tick.
You can't do that anymore.
Now people are becoming too empowered.
They're too filled with information, too aware.
You see how it's balancing itself out in the financial world.
People are going to jail like crazy now.
Lawsuits are coming down like crazy.
You can't hide information the way you used to.
That Bernie Madoff dude, that guy could have rocked that shit for 100 years back in 1910. He could have rocked that shit until the wheels fell off, and no one would have suspected it coming.
But in this world, in today's day and age, it's not that easy.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see which way it goes.
I think there is a yearning.
joe rogan
Actually, I don't know if he could have rocked that shit in 1910. I think, I mean, they would have probably caught him either way.
unidentified
I don't think that was a good analogy.
aubrey marcus
I think there's a yearning to get back to that kind of community sense.
I mean, as you said, while you can connect with a massive amount of people online, I mean, so much of the interaction is...
Also pretty fucked up, too.
joe rogan
Cunt.
unidentified
Fucking loser.
aubrey marcus
Kill yourself.
And it's not like interacting with the real person where you would never say that to another person because you would see them, A, even if you were stronger and could kick their ass, you would see them get sad and it would be like you'd feel bad, hopefully, unless you're just a fucking total monster.
But, you know, there's this check and balance of real interaction versus cyber interaction.
joe rogan
Yeah, social cues.
Yeah, feelings that you get from talking to people.
When you can just anonymously lash out at someone with no repercussions whatsoever.
brian redban
Yeah, but have you been to the county fair?
That's all it's about.
You know, there are so many fucking people out there.
It's just stupid people.
joe rogan
The county fair?
brian redban
Yeah, like if you go to a hometown Midwest county fair.
joe rogan
No, a lot of it is people just having fun, man.
There's going to be a few dickheads.
But whenever you get large gatherings of people, there's always a few dickheads.
But that's not most of the people.
brian redban
Go to the county fair in Ohio.
joe rogan
Is Ohio a different world?
brian redban
It's totally a different world than Los Angeles.
joe rogan
But how is it a different world as far as the county fair?
brian redban
It's just...
Just go there, I guess.
It's just awful.
aubrey marcus
I've been to a few rodeos and they're pretty friendly people.
joe rogan
What are you experiencing?
brian redban
Just the dumbness.
The caveman type species that lives in certain areas of the United States.
joe rogan
So Ohio is mostly idiots, is that what you're saying?
brian redban
There's a lot of them.
There's a lot of them.
joe rogan
So when you go to a state fair in Ohio, you think you're just seeing a lot of it?
brian redban
Because, I mean, there might be Columbus, there might be Cleveland, and there might be Cincinnati, but there's a whole lot of other space around those areas that you're like, who lives here?
joe rogan
I think the majority, at least 80% of them are cool.
I think you're dealing with a small group of loud people that become a problem almost everywhere.
brian redban
And a lot of them are fucking probably shitty jobs and alcoholics and hate their life and What I'm saying, though, is that if you see these people that are just idiots and retarded online that are just yelling out cunt, fuck, blah, blah, those are the same people that you see, you know, the worst of the worst.
You see those people in real life, too.
You just never see them because we're here in Los Angeles.
joe rogan
Well, not just that, because you avoid them because you've got a good social circle.
You know where to go and where not to go, and every now and then it crosses over and you wind up hanging out with some morons or getting stuck with some morons.
aubrey marcus
That's why I fucking wish that the states had full autonomy, because I think you would start to actually, at that point where federal government could give up, the states could make cool enough laws and have a cool enough system built together.
joe rogan
Kick cunts out?
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
Well, it just, they would, you know, people would be attracted, the right kind of people, you know?
unidentified
That would be awesome.
If a state could be like a message board of people, we could just ban people in real lives, like they can't get close to.
aubrey marcus
The sense of tribe, I think, would come back.
There'd be a unity between the governing body and the people, and they would be like, I fucking love my state.
Not just from some strange patriotic pride, like, yeah, you don't mess with Texas or whatever else.
joe rogan
Well, I think eventually you're going to be able to walk up to someone and mouse over them.
You'll be able to put your cursor over them, and you'll be able to read all their information.
aubrey marcus
Except people will be lying motherfuckers with their cursors.
joe rogan
Hopefully we'll have Yelp for people, and you'll be able to say, Oh, Aubrey has five stars.
He's a really cool guy.
We could take him anywhere.
And California's only letting five-star people in.
If you're a douchebag, you can't go.
And this guy shows up.
Oh, I'm a fucking good Christian.
I'm a good guy.
As long as you're not gay and trying to get married.
And you see he's got two stars.
brian redban
There's people on Yelp that, I don't know how they got on there, but there's people on Yelp and there are people revealing people as if they were a business.
joe rogan
Oh, really?
brian redban
But there's people on there.
joe rogan
Oh, that's funny.
brian redban
I haven't checked to see if I was on there.
joe rogan
Well, you should be able to review the person that's reviewing and if the person reviewing only has two stars, their review shouldn't count.
Shouldn't count.
Like, well, she's a cunt.
Look, of course she hates me.
She hates herself.
She hates everybody.
Speaking of hate...
aubrey marcus
Somehow everybody would just fucking cheat that system.
joe rogan
Do you know this Daniel Tosh situation?
Do you know what happened with Daniel Tosh?
brian redban
Yeah, we talked about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, we didn't talk about this.
And this is what's hilarious.
This woman wrote a blog about this.
aubrey marcus
Is this Tosh 2.0 or whatever?
That guy?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's getting in trouble for this.
He's forced to apologize to this asshole.
And this woman wrote a blog about it.
A completely delusional blog, by the way.
He's asking...
This is what Daniel Tosh did.
He asked...
He asked...
What is this?
She said, oh, I would find out this is Daniel Tosh.
At the time, I thought he was just some yahoo who somehow got a gig on after Cook.
I honestly thought he was an amateur because he didn't seem that comfortable on stage and seemed to have really awkward presence.
Fucking useless.
Fucking idiot.
Writing a blog.
Anybody can write a blog.
So this dummy.
Tosh is asking people to throw out questions.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
So they're throwing out, you know, what should I talk about?
And someone says rape.
And he goes, oh yeah, rape, that's really funny.
Yeah, what's funny about that?
The humiliation, the violence.
You know, he's like saying, ranting on things, the reason why rape isn't funny.
And so some woman yells out, Actually, rape jokes are never funny.
This dumb cunt that wrote this blog yells this out.
So he says, wouldn't it be funny if you got raped by like five people right now?
Which is really funny.
He doesn't really mean that.
What he's trying to do is, he's riffing and you're interrupting with some self-righteous horse shit.
Oh, you're saying that rape is bad?
Is that what you're saying?
Oh, Jesus!
You're at a fucking comedy club, you asshole!
And this woman writes this.
She writes this whole fucking rambling, self-serving article about this.
And now, because of that, he had to apologize for her.
Because he joked around about rape.
unidentified
Yep, that's raper.
joe rogan
Well, she's going to get her mind raped by the internet, I'm sure, because it's so beyond stupid.
You know, and she's like, we were shocked.
We couldn't believe it.
I demanded to speak to the manager.
He demanded to speak to the manager.
This is what I said.
We talked about in the Ice House Chronicles.
She should be fired from ever going to a comedy club again.
They should take a picture of her, and every comedy club in the country should agree that this fucking dummy is no longer allowed to go to comedy clubs.
Put a picture of her.
You're not allowed.
brian redban
She comes to the door.
Blow your rape whistle.
aubrey marcus
It's an agreement when you go to those places to just leave that shit behind.
Go there to laugh.
Go there to laugh at the taboos that you think are so sacred that you can't even touch them.
Things that you're afraid of.
Things that your fears.
Death.
Any of this stuff.
You go there, you laugh.
You talk about it.
It becomes less serious after that.
brian redban
I feel more bad for Dane Cook, who has this as a fan.
Poor guy.
Can you imagine this being one of your fans?
joe rogan
Well, apparently, Dane Cook, Burt Kreischer was just joking around and said, Dane Cook is going to live tweet while my show is on.
You know, just joking around.
And Dane got so much fucking hate mail, like hate tweets right away, and then Burt Kreischer started reading them.
There's a lot of fucking people that hate Dane Cook.
There's a lot of negativity attached to being that dude.
And he just got bummed out and told Bert to please leave him out of this whole thing.
brian redban
Oh, really?
joe rogan
That sucks.
Yeah, you tweet about him yesterday, whenever Bert's show aired.
Yeah, if you tweet about Dane, for a certain number of people, that's a free shot.
You're allowed to attack Dane Cook.
It's like Minstelia.
Mencia, that poor fuck, he's a fucking duck with concentric circles of varying colors, red, white.
He's a duck with a target on him.
I mean, that's what he is.
aubrey marcus
But he built his karma, right?
I haven't heard anything that Dane did to build his karma.
brian redban
Everyone tweet Dane Cook that he has beautiful lips.
joe rogan
Everyone tweet Dane Cook that he's a big sweetie.
brian redban
He's a big cutie, McCuterson.
joe rogan
Yeah.
It's funny.
brian redban
That sucks, man.
You know, Twitter is pretty fucked up, how that shit can turn on you and just ruin your whole entire day.
joe rogan
Well, what's fucked up is that, you know, anybody can sort of be anonymous and, you know, call yourself.
I mean, there's a lot of pictures on Twitter of fake accounts where it's like a hot chick in a bikini.
And like, please follow me.
I'm a big fan.
And like, you look at her profile, and it's her repeating that over and over again.
They're like a business.
And they'll do that and they'll say, oh my god, I just entered into this amazing contest for a free jet ski or whatever the fuck it is.
Yeah, sure.
There's a bunch of people that run, like there's this one dude that I know that runs thousands of fake Twitter accounts.
And when he wants to spam something out, he spams the same message on every single Twitter account.
This is why I found it out.
I went to his because I knew that he was scamming people.
So I went to his Twitter account and I said, let me look at his tweets.
And then I looked at some of his tweets were responding to people.
So I was like, well, what is he responding to?
And then I would go to the responding page.
He's responding to himself.
He's writing the same shit on all these different pages.
They all have the same message.
And then I followed the chain a few dozen times until I gave up.
But I just kept finding people, and I'd go to the other one, and it was the same thing.
It was the same messages, all the same tweets.
And I was like, I wonder how he has this automated.
brian redban
It's a program.
joe rogan
Is it?
unidentified
You think so?
brian redban
Yeah, yeah.
That's how spammers use it.
When you say certain things, like if you say MagnaBox or whatever, you say Toshiba.
You'll suddenly get like, best Toshiba prices in town.
Click here for more information.
joe rogan
Spam from Twitter?
They'll do that?
brian redban
Yeah, there's robots that just sit there and look for certain keywords in the timelines and stuff like that.
aubrey marcus
Did you hear about the biggest Russian spammer from a few years back?
There's this huge Russian spammer and Russia told him he was somehow operating within some basic rules so they couldn't go after him legally.
So they kept telling him to stop.
And he was like, ah, fuck you guys.
Fuck you guys.
unidentified
Whatever.
aubrey marcus
He's making a shitload of money.
They found him beaten to death with a computer.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
You can look that up.
But I was like, alright, motherfucker.
You forget where you're from.
We're in fucking Russia here.
Don't tell me fuck you.
We tell you to stop.
joe rogan
You can't say fuck you in Russia.
You better hide, bitch.
aubrey marcus
Beaten to death with his computer.
joe rogan
They have totally different rules over there for how they deal with shit.
You can't just get away with stuff like that.
I wonder how they deal with hecklers.
I mean, do they have Russian stand-up comedy?
aubrey marcus
I don't know.
Probably harshly.
I had a funny story.
A stripper was telling me about...
She had some Russian stripper friends who she was stripping with.
And some girl...
Something whack happened.
She got in trouble for giving a handjob on the floor of the...
Strip club or something like that.
So she's bawling in the room and the Russian stripper goes up the door and goes, you want to cry?
You fucking cry alone!
Get out of here!
Like, that's just the fucking, that's just the Russian way, you know?
It's like, you fucking get your shit together.
They're hard.
joe rogan
Hard bitches.
I give three handjobs at the same time, one with foot.
Stop crying.
And then I send money home to Mother Russia.
Yeah, there's parts of the world that are cold and dark, dude.
Living over there.
That's why I have a few friends that have dated Russian chicks.
And I always feel like they're getting swindled.
I always feel like something weird's going on.
Like there's something mercenary happening here.
brian redban
They're so funny.
joe rogan
I know a guy who's Russian, who's gay for pay, and his boyfriend, he's straight, but he's this Russian guy.
And his boyfriend is this rich gay guy.
And this rich gay guy buys him nice cars, puts him up in a fat apartment.
I mean, really takes care of this guy.
And it's so that he has sex with him.
I don't know what they do.
They blowjobs or whatever.
I don't know how he rocks it, but the guy's straight.
And when I found out about him, I'm like, damn, that motherfucker's like a Russian whore.
He's like a mercenary dude that's willing to suck this old guy's dick.
aubrey marcus
You get the feeling that there's some kind of harshness of life in Russia.
Even when you used to see Fedor fight, just the kind of calmness that he came out there when his imposing physical violence is about to come.
It's like, whatever he's been through...
So much fucking scarier than the giant that he's about to fight on the other side of the ring.
You get that feeling from everybody.
Not everybody, but a lot of the people over there.
Life is so harsh that what you think would be intimidating is just, I don't give a fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're not really that concerned with fights.
Just a fight?
Okay, let's do it.
aubrey marcus
Easy.
joe rogan
Did you see his last fight with Pedro Hizzo?
aubrey marcus
I didn't.
No, I missed that one.
joe rogan
Dude.
It was brutal.
It was brutal.
It's almost too bad that he's retiring now because his stand-up, since he started going to Holland, his stand-up has really improved a lot.
It got a lot better.
He threw some pretty high-level shit at Pedro Hizzo.
First of all, you had Pedro staggered just from the speed.
He's really fast for a heavyweight.
Because he's not a big heavyweight.
He's like 230, but with a high percentage of body fat.
aubrey marcus
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
If you had him lean, he would probably be about 205, something like that.
And so he moves like a 205 pounder.
I mean, a really fast 205 pounder.
aubrey marcus
His brother was fast as fuck, too.
joe rogan
Good hands, too.
His brother's a lot bigger, though.
But he lit Pedro Hizzo up, man.
He hit him with a leg kick, and then he faked the leg kick and threw like a Superman hook and cracked him on the jaw and then just unloaded on him on the ground.
It's hard to watch, man, because Pedro Hizzo is one of those dudes that's been around for a long time.
If you watched a highlight reel of all the times Pedro Hizzo's had his life turned out, it's really hard to watch.
You know, the Gilbert Iovil fight, the Josh Barnett fight, there's a lot of fights over and over again where Pedro Hizzo's been really hit hard, really scary knockouts.
I mean, how many can a man endure?
That's where it begs the question.
aubrey marcus
I don't know.
I think a lot of money and a lot of science is trying to figure that out with these concussions that they're trying to explore.
joe rogan
If they can figure out how to fix that, that'll change the prize-fighting world totally.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
People don't have to worry about brain damage anymore.
If they can just sort of stick a needle inside your ear and inject some stem cells and your brain rejuvenates itself.
People would just do extra shots, though, to get smarter.
They'd be like, fuck alpha brain.
I'm going to take a chance on overgrowing my head.
But what if that backfired and turned autistic or something?
aubrey marcus
It'd be a little scary.
joe rogan
I wonder if they're going to be able to eventually figure out a way to regenerate brain cells because that's a real issue with people with head trauma.
It's just big parts of your brain just are not the same anymore after massive concussions, especially if you've had multiple concussions.
And like football players and especially fighters in training, that's the big one.
There's a guy who died recently in an unregulated MMA fight and he got triangled and tapped from the triangle and was no head trauma at all in the fight.
Went back to his locker room and was watching some fights and then someone heard some moaning and they looked over and he had collapsed.
And he wound up dying.
And they brought him to the hospital and when they did an autopsy on him that he found it was blunt force trauma from about a week ago.
aubrey marcus
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
So it's something that he had sustained.
I'm pretty sure that's what they had decided.
It wasn't from the fight.
They were pointing to something that had happened in training like a week before.
aubrey marcus
And then the adrenaline, dehydration, a little bit of a blood restriction from the triangle.
joe rogan
When Travis Luter fought Marvin Eastman, Marvin Eastman had gotten knocked out twice in training.
He got KO'd twice in training.
And so when Travis connected with him, it wasn't even like the hardest punch in the world.
It was weird.
He caught him on the end of a punch, and Marvin just went completely unconscious, like instantly.
It was like, whoa, it's one of those weird ones.
Like, what's going on there?
Same thing with Forrest Griffin when he fought Anderson Silva.
He had been knocked out twice in training, too.
Those guys are crazy.
That's crazy.
You're getting KO'd twice and then you're going to get KO'd again.
But you sign up for a fight.
You sign up.
This is what you're supposed to be doing.
If you get KO'd in training, man, that's just tough shit.
You just suck it up and you get out there and fight.
aubrey marcus
It's a fine line between having to believe that you're going to win no matter what and then also being realistic and being like, yeah, I should probably bail on this.
joe rogan
Well, very few guys know when to bail.
That's the hardest part.
The hardest part is knowing when to walk away.
And everybody wants to walk away with a win.
The hardest part is figuring out what the fuck to do with your life next.
Because when a guy is trying to be a fighter, he really doesn't have a whole lot of options.
I mean, you're doing one thing.
And while you're doing that one thing, that's all you can concentrate on.
It's going to be your whole life, period.
And then all of a sudden, it's not your life anymore.
Now you've got to find something else.
aubrey marcus
You've also got to match that excitement level.
I mean, how are you going to do that?
This is the most amazing spectacle on the earth.
You versus another man while millions watch.
And the triumph and all those emotions.
I mean, you'll never be able to duplicate that.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's almost impossible unless you become like some crazy downhill skier dudes where they drop you off a helicopter.
Those guys are out of their fucking minds.
brian redban
How long ago did you do this recent trip?
Was it months ago or weeks ago?
aubrey marcus
It was like two weeks ago.
joe rogan
Yeah, I talked to Bob about it already.
brian redban
Yeah, they don't have it up yet, so they were asking me.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Oh, I'll just tell you folks.
We're doing a show Wednesday night.
Nice house.
10 p.m.
Main room.
Big room.
brian redban
Tickets will be on the website.
joe rogan
Probably Ari.
Does Ari have anything Wednesday night?
I don't know.
Definitely me and definitely Brian.
We're going to be in Calgary this week, too.
brian redban
Not me.
joe rogan
Not you.
Brian doesn't.
brian redban
I don't go to Canada.
You never take me to Canada.
joe rogan
Do you want to come to Canada?
brian redban
Fuck yeah, Vancouver.
joe rogan
All right, fella.
Next time I go to Vancouver, you're coming.
But we're doing the Jack Singer Concert Hall in Calgary.
And the first show sold out, but we're doing a second show.
And that's almost sold out.
But some tickets are available for the second show.
It's me, Duncan Trussell, and Ari Shafir.
And that's this Friday night.
So it's about as close to Death Squad as you can get without Joey Diaz and Brian.
But Joey Diaz is not going to make it to Canada.
Canada has very strict laws about criminals.
And when you got kidnapping with firearms, yeah.
They're like, I know it was a long time ago, Joey.
He's like, listen, I'm a different guy now.
I got 11 cats.
Come on.
They won't let him in.
So I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, Canada.
I can't bring Joey Diaz.
But you can always sneak in and hang out with us.
We're at the Ice House all the time.
We've had a bunch of Canadians and English people and people from all over the world come down and hang out at the Ice House, which is really cool because the Ice House is one of the oldest clubs in the country.
It started in 1951. I mean, it's...
Was that right?
51 or 61?
brian redban
It's been 50 years, so I don't know.
joe rogan
So that's not even...
brian redban
I don't know.
joe rogan
Whatever it is.
I think it started off in the 50s, and then in the 60s, it became a comedy club.
I think it was something else before that, like some sort of a jazz club or something stupid.
But either way, it's an amazing old club that's run by some really cool people.
They have the nicest wait staff, and it's in Pasadena, and we do shows there all the time.
So we'll be there this Wednesday.
Do you have a show there Friday?
brian redban
I haven't decided yet.
joe rogan
See, we're casual about that kind of shit.
But what we usually do is like last week we had Greg Fitzsimmons, Dom Irera, Ari Shafir.
It's that kind of lineup.
It's like all our friends that are in town, we have them come down.
You do have one.
brian redban
I do have one Friday at 10 p.m.
joe rogan
Is it in the main room or the small room?
unidentified
The small room.
joe rogan
The small room is pretty dope too.
The small room is only like 85 seats.
It's like super intimate.
They have two rooms at the Ice House.
But it's just like there's so much history in there.
Like the other day, I went in there with Tommy Chong and we were there too.
brian redban
We Cheech and Chong with Tommy Chong.
joe rogan
Yeah, we Cheech and Chong with Tommy Chong.
brian redban
We really did.
joe rogan
When you say you get high with Tommy Chong, man, that is cool as fuck.
unidentified
Legit.
joe rogan
Yeah, and we went in there and it's like you could feel when you're standing in that room when it's dark and there's no one on stage and there's no one in the room.
Like you could feel the energy that's been transmitted in that building.
Like that's a place where decades and decades of stand-up comedy has gone down.
So we're there this Wednesday night, and you can get tickets at icehousecomedy.com.
Just click on the link for Death Squad.
It probably isn't even up yet.
Just call them and tell them you want in.
They'll sell you a ticket.
They'll figure that shit out.
Use your credit card, you dirty bitches.
brian redban
Our shows in San Diego were amazing.
We had Jim Norton stopped in for once.
joe rogan
Yeah, Norton didn't even want to go up.
He's like, I don't want to go up.
I don't want to ruin his pay time.
I don't want to go up.
He's so crazy.
I'm like, go up.
These fucking people would love to see you.
Of course, he went on stage and went crazy.
brian redban
Yeah.
American Comedy Co.
Support that comedy club.
If you live in San Diego, it's amazing.
We're talking about maybe going once a month now, doing a desk while down there or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, the club is the shit.
The American Comedy Company.
It's called the American Comedy Company.
And it's literally like the perfect setup.
You walk in, low ceilings.
It's set up great.
What's the dude's name from San Jose?
Yeah, that guy.
brian redban
William H. Macy there last night.
unidentified
He did?
brian redban
Yeah, he was talking right out front door like I came out.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, he's there for that show.
He was at Comic Con for...
What is this show?
Did you see that?
He's got a show about a loser family.
brian redban
Yeah, I can't remember.
It's hilarious.
Breaking Bad was also there though.
Staying at the hotel next to the one I was staying at.
The whole...
The whole cast was there.
unidentified
Really?
brian redban
And then on the hotel we stayed at, Sons of Anarchy was in the whole entire thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, when we pulled up, I had to ask them if I could park because there was a red carpet thing going on.
I was like, is the valet still open?
They're like, yeah.
I'm like, okay.
I'm going to sneak by the red carpet in my fucking car and park it.
It's weird.
It was like both things were going It was still actually a hotel, and they still had this weird thing going on.
brian redban
I met Beetlejuice, too.
Have you ever met that guy?
The guy with that really, really tiny head that used to be from Howard Stern?
joe rogan
No, I never met him.
brian redban
Wow, that was interesting.
joe rogan
Oh, I did meet him at the airport once.
I met him at the airport in Atlanta.
I think with Ari.
brian redban
Oh wait, no, I was there with you.
unidentified
Were you there?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Remember that?
brian redban
Yeah, I never said anything to him.
We just saw him or something.
joe rogan
This time you talked to him?
brian redban
Yeah, this time I talked to him, got a picture with him.
I was like, can I get a picture with you?
He goes, you do what you gotta do.
unidentified
I'm like, alright, cool.
joe rogan
San Diego is a pretty fucking badass place.
brian redban
I'm gonna live there, except for the...
joe rogan
The military thing.
brian redban
Military, weed, and I don't know, the hot blonde thing.
There's tons of blondes down there for some reason.
joe rogan
Is that bad?
What the fuck is this?
brian redban
No, no, no.
I mean, that's not a bad thing, but I did notice it's really weird that there's a lot of blonde people.
joe rogan
Yeah?
brian redban
I was looking around and it's like every single person has blonde hair.
joe rogan
It's to counteract Mexico.
It's like...
It's just...
They're gravitated towards that area.
They don't even know why.
It's a gene pool balancing out situation.
But yeah, San Diego is a fucking awesome town, man.
I love it there.
It's one of my favorite places to go.
But it really is bizarre that they have, like, La Jolla has these 30, 40, 50 million dollar houses, giant estates overlooking the water, 20 minutes from Tijuana.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
20 minute drive to Tijuana!
We had a bunch of Tijuana people came to the show, you know.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
I didn't know it was that easy to just drive over.
brian redban
They do it every day.
aubrey marcus
I made the drive a few times.
joe rogan
But if you live in Tijuana, you could drive over to America and just see a show.
brian redban
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
The line to get across the border is fucking serious.
joe rogan
How would they keep you from just staying?
I guess they don't.
If you're a legal citizen.
brian redban
I mean, eventually you're going to live.
joe rogan
But you don't have to have a visa or anything.
Just hop over.
We met a lot of people from Tijuana.
There was like five or six people at the show that came from Tijuana that were fans of the podcast.
It was weird.
I was like, damn, you escaped.
You're here.
unidentified
Stay.
joe rogan
Don't go back.
Why are you going to go back?
brian redban
I like it down there.
I wish we could live down there.
It would be real.
unidentified
Do you want it?
brian redban
Yeah.
No, no.
San Diego.
unidentified
Bowl of choice, Brian.
brian redban
I like that island.
Bowl of choice.
joe rogan
Coronado Island?
brian redban
Yeah, you just go on that island.
There's just people playing softball at this park, and you're just on this island.
The house is beautiful.
joe rogan
The island's one of the most expensive pieces of real estate in the country.
brian redban
I could tell.
joe rogan
Yeah, that island has some insane houses on it.
That's where Donald Rumsfeld lives.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's fucking...
You can smell fire and brimstone as you drive over the bridge.
A lot of rich industrialists and all sorts of fancy pants folks live on that island.
Yeah, I don't know.
That's a real rich spot.
San Diego's got a lot of rich areas, like La Jolla.
La Jolla is gorgeous.
That's where the comedy store is.
That's an amazing town.
Beautiful, man.
When we used to stay there, I'd be like, I would always figure, like, can I live here?
Whenever we would do, like, comedy down there, I'd be like, can I live here?
It's only two hours away.
Why can't I live here?
aubrey marcus
If you're lucky, two hours.
joe rogan
Yeah, four and a half for me.
It took me four and a half to get to the show.
aubrey marcus
No doubt, no doubt.
Well, should we talk about a little Onnit stuff before we wrap this up here?
joe rogan
Yeah.
aubrey marcus
So, latest news in the Onnit world, we got the new alpha brain formula, which is just a slight tweak on the old alpha brain formula.
Basically, the acetylcholine mechanism remains exactly the same.
You have the huperziocerata as the acetylcholine S-rays inhibitor, and you have alpha-GPC as the raw source of choline to raise your acetylcholine levels.
And then for the dopamine mechanism, we're using L-tyrosine, which is the basic source amino acid for L-dopa instead of muconipurins.
Much more research behind L-tyrosine, and it just seems to be a preferred ingredient for that.
And instead of the supplemental GABA, we switched that out with L-theanine, which is actually why when you drink green tea, you don't get that kind of hyperactive feeling that you do from coffee necessarily, because green tea contains natural L-theanine, which is related to the GABA mechanism and kind of keeps you from getting too hyper.
And that's again going to temper that kind of very, a little bit manic effect of the mental speed and that kind of focus that you get from the acetylcholine.
And then we added Phosphatidylserine, which is a great ingredient, got a couple cool studies with phosphatidylserine.
One was measuring the accuracy of people off of a golf tee driving towards a hole 135 yards away and found statistically significant improvement In a double-blind study for the people taking phosphatidylserine as far as hitting the ball straighter.
And what they found is that it just helps reduce mental fatigue.
It's a natural nutrient that's found in brain cell membranes.
joe rogan
I'm going to use it to rape down my air in pool tonight.
aubrey marcus
Yes, you should.
Max, by the way, Max Eberle, one of the best pool players, a great instructor, is just raving about alpha brain.
joe rogan
Yeah, he sent me a text.
aubrey marcus
He loves it as well.
He loves phosphatidylserine as well.
He's been using that for a long time.
So he's super pumped about it.
joe rogan
Well, it's fascinating to me that this is a new frontier for a lot of folks.
You know, a lot of people aren't really aware that there are a bunch of different nutrients that have shown that they have a positive effect on your brain function.
aubrey marcus
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And then I guess everything else remains the same.
The AC-11, our proprietary antioxidant that comes from the rainforest herb, Cat's Claw, that they concentrate some of the alkaloids and really help you kind of clear away some of your mental fog.
And then the Bacopa and the B6 to help round out the formula.
But getting just great feedback on the new formula.
Again, just a slight tweak for any of those who've been fans of the old alpha brain, but definitely just a little bit better on all fronts.
And then we have the strong bone and joint formula, which we came out with, which is new.
And that's focused around the mineral strontium.
And New England Journal of Medicine study from 2004 showed that the people taking strontium ranelate had a 41% decrease fracture risk as far as developing the bone density.
And that's because strontium is one of the key minerals along with calcium that's found in the bones.
And a lot of our processed foods have eliminated the natural strontium content.
So it's, you know, one of the theories why so many people are experiencing osteoporosis is because the natural strontium that generally comes from our foods, we're not getting them anymore.
joe rogan
And then there's also mineral deficiencies, right?
Calcium as well?
aubrey marcus
Yeah, general mineral deficiencies.
And so we put a bunch of other trace minerals in there, put some pretty traditional things for your joints, MSM, glucosamine, hyaluronic acid.
And just make a kind of balanced formula with the ingredient strontium, which is best.
And a lot of these studies do have it in conjunction with calcium.
So we recommend taking, but you're not supposed to take them at the same time because they'll actually compete for absorption because they're such a similar molecule.
So you take the stront bone or your strontium supplement in the morning, per se, and then take a calcium supplement at night.
Great formula for people who are in active sports or if you're getting up there in age or just want better general bone and joint strength and flexibility.
And then some exciting new stuff coming out.
We got our HempForce product, which is fucking delicious.
Really good.
Just very simple.
joe rogan
The best tasting protein powder I've ever had.
And it's the best for you.
The crazy thing is about how less I fart on that stuff.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, totally.
joe rogan
It's incredible.
I do it with coconut water now.
C2O has this new version that Brian's scared of.
He's scared of the pulp.
brian redban
It just tastes like goobers.
joe rogan
It tastes like coconut milk.
brian redban
It's like Toby.
I love bubblegum.
joe rogan
Like a coconut, just shove it a little in your mouth.
But it's a coconut with pulp in it.
C2O is not a sponsor, but they're our friends.
So we, them and Alienware, we talk about them just because they're cool and they hook us up.
Alienware hooked us up with some cool computers and C2O keeps us hydrated.
But I make shakes with the Hemp Force and C2O, and it's fucking delicious, and no gas.
Yeah, that's it.
I would make these fucking muscle milkshakes, which taste so good, but would burn holes in the seat of my car while I was farting on the way to the gym, which is like, Jesus.
brian redban
That's fun, though.
unidentified
It's good times.
brian redban
Why don't you want to fart?
Farting's fun.
aubrey marcus
There's a lot of issues with whey protein and digestion.
If you aren't careful, it can create intestinal toxemia, which is like a sludge that builds up in your intestines and actually prevents the absorption of nutrients beyond that.
But it is a very balanced kind of protein.
It's just really tough for the human body to kind of metabolize it.
Whereas hemp, on the other hand, hemp hearts, Two-thirds of that is made up of a compound called adestrin, which is already very commonly found in the human body.
So there's virtually no allergy or digestion issues.
Plus you got all the omega-3s and 6s, fatty acids in there, the GLA. Just a super protein for you.
And all we did was add some cocoa, which is again another one of the original superfoods.
You know, got a bunch of good trace minerals, chromium and a variety of other things.
And maca as well.
Long traditional use of maca, being able to boost libido and also contain a bunch of nutrients that support the endocrine system.
And a little bit of stevia, and it's got a fucking delicious drink that'll refuel you, so I'm pumped to launch that.
joe rogan
Real good for you, super healthy, easy to digest, like everything about it I love.
It's my new favorite all-time protein powder, and no gas, brother.
Sorry about that, Brian.
brian redban
And the beauty of stevia.
I love stevia.
joe rogan
Yeah, stevia is interesting stuff.
You could have too much of that stuff, though.
If you try to put like a spoonful of it in your coffee, it's almost undrinkable.
It's so strong.
aubrey marcus
It is really strong.
brian redban
Agave and stevia, though.
Two favorites, though.
joe rogan
Well, agave is not necessarily good for you.
brian redban
Agave?
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, I always thought it was.
brian redban
Why?
joe rogan
It sounds like herbal and shit.
Like, um, have a little agave in my tea.
It's basically just like simple sugar.
aubrey marcus
It's not too different than fructose corn syrup.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Really?
Simple sugar.
brian redban
Oh, that's fucked up.
joe rogan
It tastes good.
You know, look, again, moderation.
But Stevia, way better for your body.
Way better.
Just a little jazz of Stevia.
But the Stevia in Hemp Force, it's a delicious combination.
The combination of the maca, the cocoa, the raw cocoa, and the hemp fiber all together.
Oh, it's good.
aubrey marcus
It's good.
joe rogan
It's my favorite.
aubrey marcus
Yeah.
joe rogan
I fucked that shit up, man.
You gave me a tub of that stuff?
I killed that in two days.
I was fucking drinking it all the time.
I had two in a row because they were so good.
But muscle milk's pretty goddamn good, too.
But for me, the fart drop-off is really worth it.
But I feel like I can work out quicker, too.
I like whey protein, but a lot of times when I would take it, I would feel a little slow for like an hour and a half, two hours.
aubrey marcus
Because your stomach's got all that blood in there trying to deal with that shit.
It doesn't absorb easily.
joe rogan
It's not nearly as easily absorbed as plant-based protein, like hemp protein.
aubrey marcus
If you're looking for another type of protein, too, probably the second best, I think, is a combination of rice and pea protein.
Together, they're a very complementary protein.
Those are pretty good.
They don't have the extra nutrients that hemp does or the adestrin that's part of the human body, but that's a pretty good one.
Soy has a lot of issues, too.
joe rogan
Plus, you don't get stoner cred.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
You get straight stoner cred from eating hemp protein.
When you show bitches your muscles, this shit came from hemp.
It came from hemp.
They had to bring it in from Canada because we're too stupid to grow muscles like this.
You can't even grow this shit here in America.
It's illegal.
How stupid are we?
That's one of the really the most hurtful things about this retarded government.
It is.
No hemp.
By the way, Henry Ford made the first car out of hemp.
We talked about this in the podcast.
There's a video you can get online.
It's pretty dope.
Have you ever seen it, Brian?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
He hits it with a hammer.
He hits the fucking fenders with a hammer.
And this fiberglass that he's made out of hemp is so strong the hammer's just bouncing off of it.
I wanted to get a Corvette.
Let me just throw this out there.
See if anybody knows how this could be done.
I wanted to get a Corvette and then get the body panels made out of hemp.
How hard would that be to do?
Would that be really hard to do?
Somebody tell me.
brian redban
Didn't you ask that last week?
joe rogan
Yeah, I did, but nobody fucking responded.
They probably got too high.
Anybody who knows how to do it is like, dude, this is...
unidentified
I have the resources that you seek, sir.
joe rogan
Yeah.
did know how to do it they forgot to get back all right but i just want to know is there someone respond to me on twitter if you know is there a way to do that because if there is a way to do that that would be badass i like that mustang better than i like that corvette yeah but i don't think you should get a red car shut up son i'm in love with this new mustang there's a new mustang shelby that's coming out it's got i think it's it's i think i said it wrong i think oh yeah it's 650 horsepower it's
It's not 640. It's 650. 650 horsepower in a Mustang.
I mean, it's hilarious!
brian redban
Three miles per gallon.
joe rogan
No!
It actually doesn't even have a gas counselor tax because it's not naturally aspirated.
It has a supercharger on it.
So it's a big-ass V8, but it's really efficient.
And then on top of that, it's connected to a radical fucking supercharger that gives you this mad whine over the roar of the V8. But I'm in love with this car, man.
This might be my next shit.
Look, I have a Mustang.
I have a Shelby GT500 convertible.
I like, but I'm not really that cool with convertibles.
There's too many variables.
I've seen too many cars flip over on the highway and shit.
I'm like, that doesn't seem like a smart thing.
If you can have a metal roof, you probably should have a metal roof.
But I love the idea of getting an American car that's a fun car.
And if there's anything that America does right, it's make muscle cars.
It's the last shit we do right when it comes to manufacturing.
And I just love the fact that these guys are really going for it.
That they really have made a 650 fucking horsepower Mustang.
I mean, I almost feel like I'm obligated to buy something like this.
Because they're so silly that they made it.
That's what I felt like about the Corvette ZR1. I felt the same way about that.
It's so silly that they made such a crazy car.
I feel like obligated.
Because if I was a kid, and I was like, man, if I saw something like that, I'd be like, man, if I had enough money, I'd buy one of those.
That's what you should do.
You should buy one of those if you have enough money.
unidentified
I got one.
aubrey marcus
I got the Challenger.
I love it.
joe rogan
Challenger's a dope car.
Again, it's an American muscle car.
They figured out how to make it right.
They're fun to drive.
They sound good.
They sound like they're alive.
They have some fucking passion to them.
Right, Brian?
brian redban
Mm-hmm.
joe rogan
That's the last thing we do well.
We do a lot of shit well.
We have the best music.
We have the best comedy.
Suck it if you disagree.
Suck it.
Suck it.
Yeah, England has some good music and England has some good comedy, but that's about it.
The rest of the world can suck my dick, okay?
You know, I mean, Japanese make a few pretty badass cars.
Your comedy's ridiculous.
Stop.
I know you invented martial arts, but, you know, your comedy's gotta go out the window.
Anything to say, Brian, before we wrap this up?
Brian did something yesterday.
It's not good for his head.
brian redban
And I think when I smoked weed, it just kicked it back in.
joe rogan
Probably.
brian redban
Pretty good right now, Joe.
Why not?
joe rogan
What?
unidentified
Come over here.
joe rogan
Settle the fuck down.
unidentified
Ew.
joe rogan
Gross.
You're gross.
Is that how you get gross?
Talk to them like that?
brian redban
Yeah.
Come here, girl.
Come here.
Come here.
joe rogan
I felt it.
I felt vulnerable.
Anything more?
aubrey marcus
No, that's it.
I've been super active on my blog, so if anybody wants to keep up with me, warriorpoet.us.
brian redban
And you have a podcast.
aubrey marcus
Yeah, I got a podcast.
Just had a podcast with Mitch Schultz at DMT, The Spirit Molecule.
It was a fucking really cool conversation.
I keep them to about an hour.
But that was really cool.
So check it out.
You can see the links from warriorpoet.us.
joe rogan
Nice.
Beautiful.
Alright, and we got several podcasts this week.
Tomorrow we have Bobo from Finding Bigfoot.
I am fucking very psyched.
aubrey marcus
Let's find that motherfucker already.
Come on, people!
joe rogan
Well, if anybody's going to find it, Finding Bigfoot's going to find it.
This James Bobo Fay, and he's Squatcher on Twitter, if you want to find him.
And he's tomorrow.
I'm fucking psyched because I've been addicted to Bigfoot since I was a little kid.
I can't tell you how many documentaries I've watched and books I've read.
I've been fascinated.
This guy's seen a Sasquatch, allegedly.
brian redban
Did you see the South Park about it?
joe rogan
About Bigfoot?
No.
brian redban
You should really watch them.
joe rogan
I should really watch South Park about everything.
So that's Tuesday.
Wednesday we have Justin Halpern on the podcast.
He's the guy who wrote Shit My Dad Says.
And he wrote the movie.
And he's got a book called I Suck at Girls.
It's his newest book.
And a very funny guy.
So he'll be joining us then.
Next week we got Honey Honey, Immortal Technique, Rob Wolf, and Maynard Keenan.
unidentified
Oh my god.
That's a huge week.
joe rogan
Four days of chaos next week.
Yeah, the week after that, we got Tom Rhodes.
We got a lot of shit happening, you dirty bitches.
Jack Singer Concert Hall this Friday night.
Ari Shaffir, me, Duncan Trussell.
Come, get your freak on, Calgary.
There's still tickets available for the 10 p.m.
show.
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It's because they're as cheap as we can possibly sell them, ladies and gentlemen, in the best fucking quality you're going to get.
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We have all sorts of different...
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There's a hundred different fucking more videos on YouTube of different kettlebell techniques, and there's a lot of DVDs and stuff that's available as well.
We're eventually going to make our own DVD. We're going to get on that.
We'll probably talk about that as soon as we shut off this fucking podcast, okay?
So we gotta get to it.
Alright, we love you guys.
unidentified
Much love, everybody.
joe rogan
We will see you tomorrow.
Thank you, everybody, for all the positive energy and all the positive tweets and all the cool motherfuckers that come out to these comedy shows.
And it's overwhelming.
For sure, we have tapped into some sort of a vein of the coolest people on Earth.
And we hear from all you people that we are contributing to your happiness.
And we are contributing to your positive energy.
And make no mistake about it, we feel very obligated, very connected, and we're all a part of this thing.
We're all a part of this thing together.
We're just the antenna and whatever, the radio, the thing that keeps it moving.
I ran out of cliches.
I'll see you fucking freaks tomorrow!
Keep it in your pants!
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