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Nov. 10, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #156 - Duncan Trussell
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joe rogan
the Joe Rogan experience podcast is brought to you by the fleshlight If you go to JoeRogan.net and click on the link for The Fleshlight and enter in the code name ROGAN, you will get 15% off the number one sex toy for men.
A sex toy that Duncan Trussell, my guest, has put his penis into.
duncan trussell
Yeah, but...
joe rogan
You did it, dude.
duncan trussell
Only 15 times.
joe rogan
Only 15 times?
Didn't you get tossed out and not by you?
duncan trussell
Oh yeah, that's happened.
I've got a lot of weird fleshlight stories I never expected to have in this life.
joe rogan
Women resent having that around, don't they?
A lot of them.
Not all of them, but there's a few women who look at that as almost like a minor league woman.
duncan trussell
Well, yeah, they definitely get tossed out.
I mean, also, the problem...
joe rogan
It's just gross to them.
duncan trussell
I think it's also a little embarrassing because you don't want someone to open up your asshole in a can when they come over.
Like, hey, what's this?
What's this a can?
Oh, there's an asshole.
joe rogan
Is this a large Foster's?
unidentified
It's this.
It just opens it up and it stinks a lube and old fucking jizz.
joe rogan
Pubes are on it and shit.
duncan trussell
There's this pubes and tears.
joe rogan
For a woman, it must be so embarrassing.
If you came into your husband's office and there's fleshlights everywhere.
duncan trussell
Yeah, exactly.
Well, you gotta hide them.
Yeah, you gotta hide them.
You can't leave them out in the open.
Everyone knows that's not a foster's can.
joe rogan
But they work so good.
It's so much better than beating off.
It's a weird thing to get behind.
If everybody beats off, why is it so embarrassing to have technology that aids your beating off?
Why is that embarrassing?
duncan trussell
Can I tell you my theory about why it's better than beating off?
Because I think that uh over the course of evolution i think if at first beating off tricked your body into thinking you'd fucked like if you beat off your body got the same satisfied feeling you get when you fucked right and then body started figuring out oh wait a minute this tricked me we're not really reproducing and so then it makes it so when you jerk off it feels great but it doesn't feel as good as it's not the same you don't get that same feeling of like yeah i just had sex Well,
joe rogan
you also, you know, I do a whole bit about it, how you can feel your hand.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a problem.
You can't, it's really hard to trick yourself.
duncan trussell
But the fleshlight, I think it tricks your body.
Oh, yeah.
The animal part of your body and your body thinks you fucked because you...
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You shoot giant loads.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't shoot the kind of, you don't shoot the beat-off loads.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
Beat-off loads are not as satisfying.
You know, you get a beat-off load and you're like, that's it?
That's all I have in me?
That's it?
That's all I was able to muster up?
duncan trussell
Well, it's funny when you're coming inside a fleshlight, and guys, I'm sorry to get dirty, but when you're coming inside a fleshlight and you're pushing forward into the fleshlight and spraying jizz into it, your body thinks it's getting something pregnant.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Your body really thinks it's...
joe rogan
It does, yeah.
duncan trussell
It's kind of sad.
joe rogan
And it really thinks it's getting a good specimen because it's tight and juicy.
Like, oh, this is good jeans here.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is a good vagina.
duncan trussell
Not the last one you gave me.
I mean, I don't want to see...
joe rogan
I gave you a bad one?
duncan trussell
Well, I mean, with all due respect, it looks like Frankenstein.
joe rogan
There's a Halloween-themed one, ladies and gentlemen.
duncan trussell
It's a vagina that's got stitches.
joe rogan
Did you fuck it or no?
unidentified
Yeah.
Anyway, you go to Joe Rogan.net and click.
joe rogan
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And yeah, it's silly.
Yeah, it's a silly thing.
But if you like beating off, this is better.
And everybody likes beating off.
So go buy one.
Stop playing.
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The makers of AlphaBrain, which is a point of hot contention on the internet.
There's a lot of people who don't like the idea behind it.
A lot of people say there's not enough science behind it.
I see a lot of your points.
I really do.
However, people have been taking these plant compounds, they've been taking these You know, these different extracts from plants for a long time.
I mean, there's like a recorded use of like velvet bean for thousands of years people have been using it.
I don't know if it can have adverse effect on anything because I'm not a fucking scientist.
But I've looked at it and it's worth it to me to take a chance.
I've looked at the data and I know how to use some of the things like choline on Alzheimer's patients and Man, when I take it, I feel good.
It gives me a nice little bump or something.
And, you know, a lot of people say it doesn't do shit for them.
And other people have even said that it makes them sick.
Like, it makes them feel nauseous.
So I guess, you know, the human body, look, everybody's not the same.
Some people can't drink coffee.
I fucking love coffee, you know?
Some people can't have milk.
They're lactose intolerant.
I mean, I don't know what, you know, if something has an effect on you, Like this alpha brain stuff does.
It's got to not jive with everybody.
That's the way it is.
There's no other way around it, in my opinion, probably.
I don't know what each person's individual sensitivities are, but I do know that for a lot of people, it does a lot of good.
duncan trussell
You know what's weird, man?
It's like what you're just saying.
Like, you know, it probably interfaces with people's bodies differently and some of them might feel some nausea.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Pharmaceutical companies, when they release products, they know, oh yeah, there's going to be like 600 people who get seriously fucked up from this shit.
Because that's why they have to run that stuff in the commercials.
In the pharmaceutical commercials, you know.
joe rogan
Oh, when they say may cause blindness.
duncan trussell
Can lead to death.
joe rogan
Curious, homicidal thoughts, suicidal thoughts.
duncan trussell
Can you imagine releasing something like that into the world and knowing, oh yeah, this is going to kill some people.
joe rogan
So some people, yeah, that's an interesting point because it's like everything is, no one is exactly like someone else as far as how their body processes things.
We all know people who literally can't drink alcohol for whatever reason.
Their body just doesn't process it right and they go fucking off the wires, right?
And then we know you or I who can have a couple beers.
I've seen you drunk.
You're just dunking drunk.
You know, you're you when you're drunk.
unidentified
Drunk and trust me.
joe rogan
Drunk and trust me.
Well, how about the thing he did?
duncan trussell
Trust me!
joe rogan
We've talked about this before, but just if you haven't seen it, you've got to go online and watch Drunk History.
Duncan does this Drunk History with Nikola Tesla, and it's fucking brilliant.
Hammered where he's thrown up in a toilet and he's talking about the history of one of my personal heroes.
I don't want to say heroes, but one of the people that's been a fixture of my life.
One of my people, the men that live that I'm most fascinated by is that Nikola Tesla.
So it's a fucking awesome thing.
We've talked about it before, but go see it if you haven't seen it.
Go look it up on YouTube.
It's fucking awesome.
You know?
But yeah, everybody's body's fucking different, man.
Some people can't smoke weed.
Some people love it.
David Tell doesn't like it.
Doug Stanhope doesn't like it.
duncan trussell
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, and there's brilliant people.
I love and respect them.
Everybody's body's different, man.
Some people can't eat fucking walnuts.
I have a friend who can't eat walnuts.
Doesn't Brian Callan have a Brazil nut fucking thing?
unidentified
Something like that.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's got Brazil nuts.
duncan trussell
That's just scary because you know how sloppy kitchens are.
brian redban
You get one little nut in your salad by mistake.
duncan trussell
I mean, they put condoms in there.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think Brian Callan is allergic to Brazil nuts.
I'm pretty sure it said it.
I think it was him.
I don't want to have to ask.
But, you know, it's just some wacky shit, man.
Everybody's body's not the same.
But all this stuff in the alpha brain...
I think is relatively innocuous.
And I think if you don't like the effects of it, you can get off of it.
It's real simple.
It might not work for you.
And I always say this, and people say, you don't really mean this.
I fucking do mean this, what I'm about to say.
If you worry at all about how much it costs, don't buy it.
Just go look into nootropics.
Try a bunch of the other shit.
What's that called?
Stuff called Paracetum.
That's a really interesting one.
unidentified
Never heard of it.
joe rogan
There's a focus factor that they have their own compound that they put together and there's a bunch of other ones, man.
There's some interesting stuff.
It's interesting.
If I had nothing to do with this financially, I would still tell you to try it out because it's fascinating.
And I've always endorsed nootropics.
I think there's some science behind it.
I think there's not enough to firmly state exactly what each one does unequivocally.
This is how you can measure it.
This is the exact dose.
I don't think it's that clean yet.
There's just a lot of anecdotal evidence that this stuff does something to enhance the way your brain works.
Not crazy.
It's not limitless.
It's not a fucking magic pill.
It doesn't make retards intelligent.
unidentified
It's just a little better.
joe rogan
And I'm trying to not say retards anymore.
duncan trussell
Oh, yeah?
You're cutting that word out of your vocabulary?
joe rogan
Just to shut people up, man.
It's a great word, but, you know, automatically it becomes babies with Down syndrome.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
It becomes the worst possible definition for it.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
You know?
duncan trussell
You don't mean it like that, though.
It's clear.
joe rogan
No, I don't.
Anyway, if you go to, what is the music playing?
Go to Onnit.com and enter in the code name Rogan.
Try AlphaBrain.
And what I was saying is if you don't...
This is what I was saying that seems like I don't really mean, but I really do mean.
If you think it costs too much, go buy the quantities of the ingredients, whatever the fuck is in AlphaBrain.
We show it online.
Just copy it.
Copy it.
Go buy the shit and try it out yourself.
Or try one or two of them out yourself.
Some of them you're not going to like and some of them you might like.
I think it's a very interesting sort of pursuit.
The pursuit of enhancing mental function through nutrients.
But I'm a big believer in vitamins and minerals, and I think it's enhanced my body, and I'm very much in tune with my body because I eat well and I exercise, and I think it's very important that you do that.
You've got to take care of the fucking machine that carries you around.
So for me, I'm pretty tuned in to what my body feels like on a regular basis.
And because of that, I can get a good feel of when something's helping me for real or something's a placebo effect.
It's a real fine line.
Because quite honestly, man, placebo is a powerful, powerful effect.
And we don't really understand.
I wouldn't mind, really, placebos all day if they just rock my world.
You know, I mean, when you think about what the human body is really capable of, and I'm not endorsing lying to people, but I'm saying, I mean, think about what the effect of placebo is.
For a lot of people, it's really fucking dramatic, man.
They act as if they've gotten medicine.
You know, cancer has been, it's never been cured, but tumors have shrunk.
You know, is that true?
Look that up.
No, yeah, that is true.
Are you sure?
duncan trussell
I've heard that, yeah.
I'm not 100% sure.
joe rogan
I'm not 100% sure.
duncan trussell
But I definitely have heard that.
That's a good thing to look at.
joe rogan
Well, I know that there have been some substantial medical improvements because of the placebo effect, and it's a fascinating effect.
I wish someone could just placebo me all day.
I wish she could just convince me that I could go to some lady and she wipes me with a chicken's foot and your liver heals up.
I wish it was possible to just trigger placebos left and right.
duncan trussell
Well, somebody emailed me something else you could maybe check out, Brian, is that they think that there's natural cannabinoids in the brain and they think it's somehow associated with that.
The brain just releases these cannabinoids and it gives you a...
brian redban
I'm just seeing assholes with tumors on them.
I'll take the word butthole out of the Google search.
joe rogan
He adds butthole to every Google search he does.
This is a grown man.
Anyway.
If you go to JoeRogan.net, click on the link for it.
Oh, and the other thing is, AlphaBrain, if you don't like it, it's a 100% money-back guarantee, even if you've eaten it.
If you take, especially buy 30 pills, the small ones, just take it, and if you don't like it, you get your money back, even if you eat it.
brian redban
And that's the best thing because, I mean, honestly, you can't get mad at that.
joe rogan
You can't get mad.
That's all we can do.
All we can do is be as honest as possible, tell you, get the 30 count, get the small amount.
If you don't like it, send it back.
We give you all your money back.
100% you could have eaten every single pill.
duncan trussell
My grandmother died, and I put alpha brain into her mouth, and she came back to life.
unidentified
I heard that.
duncan trussell
I heard that.
Yeah, it will bring your grandmother back to life.
joe rogan
But they can't be dead for that long.
Like, how long?
duncan trussell
What do you mean?
joe rogan
How long was she dead for?
It wasn't like a week.
duncan trussell
No, it was like a couple of days.
Then we were just bored.
Her corpse had been laying there for a while and we were like, fuck it, put Alpha Brain in her mouth.
joe rogan
Anyway, to end this, please don't buy Alpha Brain.
If you have any questions...
Don't buy it.
Please.
Don't.
Don't.
Don't buy it.
I don't want you to buy it.
If you're thinking, should I buy this shit?
Please don't buy it.
Okay?
But look into Nootropics.
Just look it up online.
It's a fascinating thing.
And if you want to buy Alpha Brain, go to Onnit.com.
duncan trussell
Work for me.
It gave me weird dreams.
joe rogan
The code name Rogan, and you get 10% off that shit, bitch.
Duncan Trussell's here.
Let the music begin.
We're in the new Death Squad Studio.
unidentified
Experience.
Train by day.
duncan trussell
Joe Rogan podcast by night.
unidentified
All day. All day. All day. All day. All day. All day. All day. All day. All day. All day.
joe rogan
I had a pink somebody on my board yesterday for complaining that I do the commercials before You know, who's bitching about it?
You stupid fuck.
Go to the special ed room, dummy.
It's ridiculous.
I give you a free podcast, man.
I have to do something to monetize this bitch.
Bandwidth costs money.
duncan trussell
It's really fucking annoying when people give you those types of complaints.
joe rogan
You can't complain about something.
I give you something for two and a half hours for free and I'm just talking about a product for two minutes.
You're getting commercial, man!
duncan trussell
Here's a comment I just got on a YouTube video.
Let me see if I remember.
It was really annoying.
These are the fucking insult comments I had.
joe rogan
You're selling out, man!
duncan trussell
They're the ones that start with a compliment, but are the passive-aggressive ones.
So this one was...
For 20 minutes, I took the paranormal activity.
You know how paranormal activity shows the crowd and doesn't show the movie?
So it's the crowd reacting to paranormal activity.
joe rogan
Have you seen that?
duncan trussell
So it's like people are like...
Oh no!
And I thought, well, fuck man, that's funny.
I wonder what that would look like if they were reacting to a Red Lobster commercial.
So I just put a Red Lobster commercial on top of them freaking out over a scary movie and it came out kind of funny, weird.
And so I put that up on my YouTube page and someone left a comment like, well, this is the only one of your videos that didn't make me laugh.
Why would you even fucking say that?
It's like a compliment, a very nice compliment mixed in with just like a shitty jab.
He gave you a check minus.
joe rogan
Well, you know, what it is is when you get on the internet, you're allowing yourself to interact with anybody.
Anybody and everybody.
You can't choose at all.
There's no choosing.
Any random person can just cunt their way into your life, just cunt a storm through your fucking life online.
And it's not like a real community.
I mean, you can create a community online with a message board or something like that, with Twitter lists and shit like that, like who you follow, who you block.
But, you know, at the end of the day, you know, the boundaries between people are kind of separated.
duncan trussell
Right.
joe rogan
And people can just get at people.
And so, YouTube comments are a perfect example of that.
You want to see, like, how the world is going?
You look at the YouTube comments.
If the YouTube comments were like, well, better luck next time.
And he seems like a cool guy.
It wasn't my kind of music, but I could see how some people could like it.
That's a nice way of, eat shit, drown in a river of AIDS. Totally.
You faggot cunt.
duncan trussell
Same thing.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, you see those over and over again, and YouTube doesn't block them, and it is a fascinating sociological experiment.
Thousands of years from now, if data still exists, if you can still read off of our hard drives, probably you won't be able to, but whoever finds us in our archaeological future the way we have found ancient Sumer or ancient Rome or any civilization that we've tried to piece together from information from the past, they're going to look at YouTube comments.
unidentified
And they're going to be like, look at these crazy assholes.
joe rogan
Look at these motherfuckers.
Any video that they go to...
What if they went to Rebecca Black?
Here's just a 13, 14-year-old girl talking about hanging out with her friends.
She had a song.
She's 14 years old, man.
She's a little girl.
You're not supposed to like that song if you're a fucking grown person.
But...
unidentified
That song was assaulted by a fucking tsunami of shit.
joe rogan
Those comments, and you look at her 25 million hits or whatever the hell she had, the comments on her videos are horrendous.
They're terrifying.
Just fucking raw anger.
And all it is is just an easy target.
That's all it is.
It's just an open, easy target.
What you're supposed to do, you're not supposed to go, this is fucking bullshit!
This is what passes for fucking music, man!
No, that's not what you're supposed to do.
What you're supposed to do is go, oh, this isn't for me because I'm not 14. Right.
And not get angry.
Just move on with your life.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
But some people, man, they just want to get on that YouTube with you motherfucker.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
I want you to feel what I feel!
unidentified
Yeah.
Ah!
duncan trussell
Fucking spooky.
joe rogan
Oh, they just want to hurt.
duncan trussell
There's sweaty fingers pecking down on the keys.
joe rogan
God, I see people on my message board all the time just get cunty with somebody.
For no reason, I'll just send them to the special ed room.
Get out.
Get out.
Stop that.
You don't have to do that for no reason.
duncan trussell
You don't have to just get shitty with people.
As far as I can recall, I've never left a shitty fucking comment.
I just don't think there's time to leave a shitty comment.
joe rogan
It's so silly.
duncan trussell
I mean, I've gotten in Flame Wars.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've gotten in a bunch of those.
But what people don't understand about Flame Wars is it's kind of like a competition.
You know, it's sort of like the dozens.
You know, like you play the dozens.
You know, if you don't know what it is, it's like, you know, your mom is so fat...
You know, when you sit down, people think she's a sofa.
You know?
And you go back and forth.
You insult each other.
You know what I mean?
It's like a big thing with the brothers.
They love to play the dozens.
That's what it's called.
But that's sort of what flame wars are.
It's kind of fun that we're all anonymous, right?
And so you're kind of just up to your wits.
It's just you and your wits against somebody else and their wits.
And all of a sudden, you get in some cunty little argument with someone online, and you want to fucking You want to sit back?
Let me craft my words carefully here.
I'm going to fuck you up, bitch.
And I love watching it as a sport.
I like watching smart people go back.
And the really cunty thing to do is to have a sentence and then respond with a big chunk and then another sentence.
Break it down.
It's such a bully move where you're taking a sentence, a little tiny segment of what someone said, not in the greater context of several paragraphs of writing, but just one little sentence and then they'll respond to it with a river of shit.
And you go back and forth and back and forth.
I've done that.
It's stupid.
I don't do it anymore.
Occasionally I do.
But for the most part, I just try to be silly with it.
But in the past, man, I've gotten involved in long flame wars with people that went on for days.
duncan trussell
Well, I mean, if you think about, like, imagine if YouTube had existed when Buddha incarnated on the planet.
So, like, he could, like, upload his ideas onto YouTube.
It would still have shitty comments.
Like, what a fucking joke.
You idiot, what are you talking about?
Life is suffering.
Go sit under the tree some more, faggot.
You know, it would be like that.
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you hear that, though, I mean, don't you have a little bit of an instinct to say the same thing?
Life is suffering.
Oh, profound one.
Please.
Please ponder on.
When you're getting your dick sucked, is that suffering?
No.
No.
No, it's not.
When you're in an awesome movie, is that suffering?
unidentified
No, no, no.
joe rogan
It's not.
When you're on stage and you're killing, is that suffering?
duncan trussell
Wait, but let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this.
joe rogan
Hold on.
When you're hanging out with your friends, is it suffering?
No, it's not.
If you have a nice car and it's comfortable and you get a good stereo and the great song comes on, is that suffering?
No!
No, it's not Buddha!
Buddha's life sucked!
Because Buddha didn't have cool shit or cool friends.
duncan trussell
No, no, that's wrong.
unidentified
He had chipmunk friends, Joe.
He had a whole bunch of chipmunks.
joe rogan
Duncan actually said that's wrong.
He knows Buddha.
unidentified
Buddha fight.
duncan trussell
Buddha fight.
joe rogan
Go way back.
History's very vague, but...
My relationship with Buddha supersedes that.
duncan trussell
I text Buddha.
No, but the thing when you're saying Buddha had a shitty life, there's the story of Buddha, and Buddha started off as a very wealthy prince, and there was a problem.
joe rogan
In what year?
duncan trussell
I have no idea.
joe rogan
That life sucked.
It doesn't matter.
duncan trussell
I don't care if it's 600 BC, 600 AD. According to legend, his father, he had a harem.
joe rogan
He had a harem.
duncan trussell
Yes.
joe rogan
That's good.
Stinky girls with no razors, not a razor in sight.
Everybody's disgusting.
duncan trussell
For the time, it was a pretty good life.
For the time, it was a pretty good life.
joe rogan
A harem.
Get the fuck out of here.
Listen, man, it was a terrible time to live.
Terrible.
No internet, no cell phones, no refrigerator, no vaccines, no fucking U.S. military presence overseas.
Listen, it's a terrible goddamn time to live.
Fuck Buddha.
This idea is ridiculous.
Life is not suffering.
Life can be the shit.
duncan trussell
Do you know the rest of the noble truths?
joe rogan
Oh, well, hold on.
duncan trussell
The problem is you're attached.
joe rogan
You just said noble.
duncan trussell
That's what they're called.
joe rogan
I know, but you are.
That's the most pretentious thing a human could ever say.
Do you know the noble truths?
unidentified
That's what they're called!
joe rogan
I understand that, bro.
duncan trussell
That's what they're called!
joe rogan
Bro, I'm just fucking around here.
These are just jokes.
Don't get personal.
He takes it very personal.
No, I don't.
I like to shit on Buddha every now and then just to get a rise on a Duncan.
duncan trussell
Well, no, just because you sound like you don't know what it is.
joe rogan
You could pick on Duncan and he won't even fight back.
But you're talking about Buddha.
He'll fucking kick your ass, dude.
duncan trussell
But it would be like...
unidentified
Step up.
If you picked on Duncan, Duncan'd be like, hey, man, come on, why are you being an asshole?
duncan trussell
It'd be like me making fun of the UFC and being like, you know, because they fight eight rounds.
And then you'd be like, well, no, they don't.
joe rogan
There's no rules.
duncan trussell
Something like that, where you're like, you clearly don't know what it is.
Which is weird, because you have Buddha statues all over your house.
joe rogan
Brother, brother, brother, I'm telling jokes, man.
I don't believe any of this shit I'm saying.
duncan trussell
You're hurting Buddha.
You're hurting Buddha.
unidentified
Yeah, you've totally gone against a lot of the whole truth of Buddha.
duncan trussell
You need to really believe in him.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All I'm saying is that I wouldn't want to live back then.
duncan trussell
I wouldn't either.
joe rogan
I'm not saying that Buddha was wrong when he said life is suffering.
It just sounds a little pretentious.
And if somebody said it today, life is suffering, I would want to probably kick them in the balls.
duncan trussell
But there's three other things after that that kind of make that make more sense.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Go ahead.
duncan trussell
So the second one is the cause of suffering is attachment to things staying the way they are.
The idea that things aren't going to change.
So life is suffering.
In other words, you're suffering when you think things don't change.
joe rogan
Oh, so what I did is basically the exact same thing that I criticize people doing on the message boards, where they take one line and don't even read the rest of it.
I didn't even listen to your whole sentence.
I took one line and I just attacked it.
I don't really mean any of the things I say.
I say things for the fun of it, okay?
I really do have Buddhas.
I have a fucking Buddha tattoo on my arm.
Come on, man.
I'm fascinated by Buddhas.
It's one of the things I first saw during psychedelic experiences.
The golden Buddha made of light.
Yeah.
A golden Buddha in the lotus position, and then there was like infinite numbers of them around them, like fractals of golden Buddhas in the lotus position.
That was one of the craziest experiences of my life.
duncan trussell
It's a cool religion, man, because it's a viral religion, which is very different from a lot of other world religions like Christianity and Islam that kind of come into a place and try to change what's happening in the place to conform to Christianity.
Buddhism goes into a place And Like Analyzes whatever the belief system is In that place And then incorporates that Into the philosophy of Buddhism So you get these Vastly different forms of Buddhism All over the planet Like In Like Tibetan If you look at Zen Buddhism And then you look at Tibetan Buddhism They couldn't be more different Zen Buddhism is very austere.
If you look at a Zen monastery, the walls, I've never been at one, but the walls are made of rice paper.
It's like these guys fucking sitting there meditating, spending their whole life meditating.
It's very, very stark.
Then you look at Tibetan Buddhism, and it's like golden Buddhas and prayer wheels and prayer flags, and it's like this bright, beautiful thing.
And the reason is when When Buddhism came to Tibet, there was a religion called Bon.
B-O-N. That was the original religion.
And it just took that religion and transformed it so it embodied the noble truths of Buddhism.
unidentified
Wow!
duncan trussell
Isn't that cool?
joe rogan
They just hybrid.
duncan trussell
They hybrid.
Yeah, that's what it does.
It infects Infects, probably the wrong word, but it gets into a culture and then just...
joe rogan
I think infects is a great word.
duncan trussell
Yeah, that's what it is.
joe rogan
I mean, it's sort of a negative word.
duncan trussell
Yeah, well, I mean, that is what it is.
It's viral.
It gets into the DNA of a thing and then transforms it into Buddhism.
joe rogan
That's fascinating.
duncan trussell
It's fascinating.
joe rogan
It really is.
You know, I've always wondered what the boundaries of meditation are because I don't really have the time to be sitting around all day meditating.
But I always feel like anything, like even the isolation tank, which is very much like a symptom or rather a method of meditation, Meditation.
The isolation tank, the more you do it, the better you get at it.
The more relaxed you get when you're inside, the easier it is for you to let go, the easier it is for you to get to that really crazy deep state.
So I would assume that with meditation, just like with anything, with music or martial arts, the more time you spend at it, the better you get at it.
I would wonder, what the fuck can you do with your brain if you have like 10, 12 hours a day?
Because you know, Eddie Bravo has this friend of his.
He went to Egypt with this lady.
And she was a kundalini aficionado.
Like a serious devotee of kundalini yoga.
And this lady did kundalini yoga all fucking day.
And what she said was that it was all about stimulating...
Particular areas of your brain that can produce psychedelic chemicals and that what you're trying to do is like open up your chakras and you can tune in to higher frequencies of consciousness and that these people say that at the highest levels that these these people are capable of putting themselves into a psychedelic state absolutely naturally.
So like what you would have to do by taking mushrooms or taking peyote or whatever, they can just meditate and get there and they travel in their mind to like distinct different places.
And the idea is that what they're doing is they're literally changing the form of their mind.
If you look at the mind of a person who meditates, you know, a Buddhist monk, you know, a person who meditates 10-12 hours a day.
The way their brain works is different.
The size of different areas of the brain is different.
When they look at the activity in the mind, it's different than a regular person's brain.
duncan trussell
Yeah, I've seen that stuff.
It's fascinating.
joe rogan
Tuning into higher...
Like, a higher plane of consciousness, if that is what they're doing, that they're able to do, just like, I mean, what we see in marathon running, just like what we see in everything, you know, like, could you run a marathon?
I couldn't run a fucking marathon.
Could you imagine if you had to run a marathon right now against one of those skinny guys from Africa that runs barefoot?
duncan trussell
Fuck!
joe rogan
You're fucked!
You're never going to run as fast as him.
You're never going to catch him.
You're never going to be able to run 26 miles as fast as him.
But he can do it.
And you know what that means?
You can probably do it too.
But it doesn't start like that.
It starts when you run one mile, and then you learn to run five miles, and you build yourself up until you can run 26 miles barefoot.
But most people can't just do that right from the jump.
That's got to be the same way with meditation.
Because I know that when I meditate, I can get into a really...
I'm in a good state just when I'm alone.
I'm alone in a hotel room.
I'll do yoga and I'll meditate.
I'll go into a certain pattern of breathing and I'll focus and concentrate on my breath.
And when I do that, I can achieve a good perspective.
I can achieve a good objective look at life.
And I can relieve myself of any unnecessary concerns.
And I'm pretty good at that.
But I would imagine that if you really devote yourself to really just concentrating on achieving the possibilities of these different states of consciousness, I think that you'd be able to get high.
duncan trussell
I did this thing, because I studied religion and psychology in school.
I got to do an internship at a Zen temple.
And part of the internship is you do this thing called a sasheen, which is where you sit for like three days straight.
Just staring at this wall for three days straight in the lotus position.
You did this?
Well, I went to do it.
And I made it through...
I think like 11 hours of meditation.
I made it through, you sleep like four hours and the next day you wake up and immediately you eat and then you go right back into meditating.
And so I made it, I don't know, I made it a pathetically small length of time because it was snowing outside and I started thinking about how good a beer would be.
Something about the snow being like, man, I love to drink a beer.
But during the time that I was staring at the wall, I don't know, like six hours in or some certain amount of time in, they start doing this thing called the Heart Sutra.
They start chanting this thing called the Heart Sutra.
And I don't remember the exact way it goes, but it's something like, no mind, no body, no life, no death, no beginning, no...
It's very psychedelic.
It's very droney.
And it's a negation of everything.
joe rogan
No mind, no body.
Say it again?
duncan trussell
This is not an exact rendition, but as I recall, it's like no mind, no body, no life, no death, no beginning.
joe rogan
And they say this all together?
duncan trussell
Yeah, they all start chanting it.
unidentified
That must be dope.
duncan trussell
It's dope, and you've been staring at a wall for like six...
joe rogan
Let's do it together.
duncan trussell
I don't know, though.
joe rogan
Can you look it up?
No mind, no body.
duncan trussell
What is it?
joe rogan
No mind, no body.
duncan trussell
It's not the exact rendition.
joe rogan
No life, no death.
Let's just try that.
duncan trussell
Ready?
unidentified
No mind, no body, no life, no death, no mind, no body, no life, no death, no mind.
duncan trussell
Yeah, imagine that!
joe rogan
Dude, there's something weird about that, man.
What is weird about that?
duncan trussell
Look up the Heart Sutra on YouTube and play it.
joe rogan
You guys are stoned.
We're stoned as fuck.
But listen, what is weird about chants, man?
Let's do it again.
Ready?
unidentified
No mind, no body, no life, no death.
No mind, no body, no life, no death.
joe rogan
There's something weird about that, dude.
There's something zony.
There's something hypnotic about any stupid chant, even that.
duncan trussell
You want to hear something super trippy?
I think you could play it legally because it's a chant.
When you look up the Lotus Sutra on YouTube...
joe rogan
Lotus Sutra?
duncan trussell
The Lotus Sutra.
Listen to this one.
This one's so fucking trippy.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, what were they trying to do?
They're trying to put themselves into a state of consciousness by humming like that.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's got a big...
The one I'm looking for...
I'll show you the one, Brian.
Hold on.
Oh, yeah.
That one at the very top, the Lotus Sutra.
Play the first one with a blue flower right there.
Listen to this.
unidentified
this.
duncan trussell
I love listening this when I'm high.
unidentified
Oh, my God. my God.
That was the 1600s version of beatboxing. - That's crazy, man.
joe rogan
I'm scared that if they keep going, Candyman's going to come out of the screen.
unidentified
Okay.
joe rogan
We get it.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's cool, man.
It's really trippy.
joe rogan
How odd.
It's almost like country music.
duncan trussell
But if you listen to some of the, like, how do you say it?
Shibobo, the ayahuasca ceremonies.
If you listen to the chanting of the people on the Amazon, it sounds very similar to that.
It's the same kind of, like, droney thing that has within it that feeling of, like, a twangy, weird, like...
I don't know, like something from New Orleans or something.
It's bluesy almost.
joe rogan
Very strange.
And how many different people are doing that, you think?
That's not one person, right?
duncan trussell
That is...
joe rogan
That's not one person.
duncan trussell
No, that's a group of people for sure.
That's like a congregation.
joe rogan
How many think we're doing that?
Because it's not like...
Did everybody have the same job?
That's what I'm saying.
Are they all saying the same thing?
Or were they interacting with each other?
duncan trussell
No, people do different harmonies and stuff when you do that chant.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Because it doesn't sound like you could.
Like, you know, I don't know.
I mean, maybe you could.
I mean, sure you could.
Like, think of what the noises that Michael Winslow guy makes.
I mean, you probably could do it.
But it doesn't seem like...
That seems like a couple different things are being said at the same time.
Is that right?
duncan trussell
Oh, yeah.
No, no, it's one suture.
They're reading a scripture.
They're reading this thing called the Lotus Suture, which is this whole weird...
joe rogan
So they're all saying the same thing?
They're all making the same noises?
duncan trussell
Yeah, I think so, man.
It does seem like there's some under...
unidentified
Except for the girl.
duncan trussell
The girl, the opera girl sounding girl.
Yeah, there was an opera girl that came in.
unidentified
It seemed to me...
joe rogan
Maybe we should play it again because it seemed to me that it was like a couple different sounds that are They're singing the same thing They're singing it really fast.
But there's like a hum to it that makes you think that there might be something going on in the background, but it's not.
Every now and then there's like a little intersection.
duncan trussell
It's a harmony.
joe rogan
Every now and then, though, someone will break.
duncan trussell
Oh, yeah, they're starting at different times.
They're saying the same shit, but they're off by, like, milliseconds.
joe rogan
Yeah, and they're trying to catch up.
unidentified
Wow, this is amazing.
If you listen to this while shirming, this would put you in a bad trip, I think.
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
You would get all the knowledge in the universe.
unidentified
I think that would make this shit go crazy.
joe rogan
It would run over you like a river of diamond-encrusted fish.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You wouldn't be able to catch it, though.
It's so much knowledge, but you wouldn't be able to grasp it.
Yeah, it could fuck your trip up, I guess.
duncan trussell
This is Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.
That's where Nam-myoho-renge-kyo comes from.
Nam-myoho-renge-kyo comes from the Lotus Sutra.
So when you hear the beginning of it, it's...
Wow.
joe rogan
How did you memorize all that shit?
duncan trussell
Well, I had to chant...
unidentified
Constant strangulation?
duncan trussell
What?
joe rogan
Brian's left on the outside again.
duncan trussell
Eight months.
unidentified
Eight months.
duncan trussell
And I don't even have...
I don't have the whole thing memorized.
I just have the...
joe rogan
Different...
But you have some parts.
duncan trussell
I have the...
Up until...
There's like...
There's two different prayers you do.
And I have the first one.
I can almost do that completely without the book.
And then the second one, I have to do the book.
If I'm...
There's like a...
joe rogan
How did all this get started?
I mean, you look at how bizarre all that is.
And how psychedelic that religion is.
How the hell did that get started?
What's the history of it?
duncan trussell
Well, that's the fucking question, man.
I mean, you've got this Buddha who, according to the story, wanted to be an ascetic.
Buddha lived with the king.
There was a prophecy.
He's either going to be a great conqueror.
joe rogan
So this is a real human being absolutely proven by history?
duncan trussell
Uh, man, I think so.
I mean, shit.
joe rogan
More provable than Jesus or less?
duncan trussell
I couldn't answer that.
I have no idea.
I mean, to me, it's like, it's...
Not that much of a consideration because there's so many scriptures that come from it.
There's clearly something there.
And it's like, there are a bunch of interpretations.
I don't know.
But the story's cool.
In Buddhism, it's different from Christianity.
Some forms of Christianity, they're like, you must believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God.
You have to believe that for the magic to work.
Buddhism isn't quite like that.
Buddhism is more like...
Test all of this.
joe rogan
Right.
duncan trussell
Test it like you would be, if you were buying gold, like you would weigh and measure and test gold because you need to logically understand what this is.
You have to logically, it has to logically make sense to you.
joe rogan
And this is in Buddhism?
duncan trussell
That's some forms.
That's not all forms of Buddhism, but some.
There's a great...
joe rogan
You were telling me, I'm sorry, I interrupted you before.
You were explaining that he lived with a king.
duncan trussell
Yeah, he was the prince.
And the king didn't want him to...
Because the prophet said he'll either be the Tathagad of the Wheel-Turner, like this great prophet that he was, or he's going to be this conqueror.
He's going to be a world conqueror.
And so his father was like, well, fuck that.
I don't want him to be a fucking prophet.
I want him to be a world conqueror.
So I'm going to keep him...
Locked up on the grounds of the palace and give him everything he wants, you know, a harem, whatever he wants he can have.
And so the story is, he was out with his, like, I don't know, he was out riding around.
He saw three sights, and I don't remember exactly what they were, but I know one was a dying man, or a corpse.
He saw a corpse, a diseased man, and an ascetic.
He saw these three things, and he's like, oh, there's...
All this pleasure that I'm getting in the palace is temporary.
It's temporary.
It's not going to last.
I'm going to get old.
I'm going to die.
I'm going to get diseased.
This happens to everyone.
There's no escape from this.
It happens to everyone.
So these pleasures I'm experiencing, I would rather figure out a way to have lasting, permanent realization than this temporary transient shit.
So we went and became an ascetic And he, like, starved himself to the point of death, almost, because he did everything in the extreme.
So there's, like, statues of, like, starving Buddha.
joe rogan
Yeah, I've seen those, man.
You told me about that, because you know that I have this thing about collecting Buddha statues, and I've got a couple of Thai Buddhas and shit, and then you told me about this starving Buddha.
I was like, what are you talking about?
You sent me a picture, dude?
I almost thought it was a joke.
duncan trussell
No, the skin's tight on his face, and he's like...
He's not eating anything because he's trying to go the route of the ascetic so that he could have realization.
joe rogan
Brian, pull one of those pictures up, man.
duncan trussell
Fucking cool.
joe rogan
Of a starving Buddha because they're creepy as fuck, man.
I never had heard about this before.
duncan trussell
Oh, it's cool, man.
joe rogan
How long did he do this in his life?
duncan trussell
I don't know the time.
joe rogan
And everyone has this story?
duncan trussell
This is the story.
Yeah, this is it.
It all starts with this story.
And so then he...
So that didn't work out.
And then he ate.
And, you know, the ascetics rejected him.
The ascetics rejected him because he was eating.
Look at this, man.
joe rogan
It just sunk into his head.
Holy shit.
duncan trussell
Yeah, he got really close to death that way.
joe rogan
I think there's a full body one, Brian, if you back up.
There's some other ones that have like full body.
Well, either way, you get the picture.
That's creepy.
Who the fuck would want to keep that in their house?
If you go over to a chick's house and she's got that starving Buddha in her house, fucking run, bro.
Run!
Why would you want to look at that all day?
duncan trussell
I wouldn't.
You see the veins in his ribs?
It's creepy.
joe rogan
Yeah.
You don't want to look at it.
That's barely.
That's like a cartoon.
duncan trussell
It's like he's got mashed potatoes in his hand.
joe rogan
It's like an old tranny.
duncan trussell
It's like he's about to eat a bowl of mashed potatoes.
joe rogan
That's cum.
He's an old tranny.
duncan trussell
He's a starving tranny.
joe rogan
He's a big giant bowl of cum.
Speaking of cum.
England was fun, huh?
Have a good time in England?
duncan trussell
Speaking of coming, England was fun.
What happened?
I'll tell you this.
unidentified
Oh no.
You came on Joe.
joe rogan
Not really.
I mean, he sort of did.
duncan trussell
Well, Joe's fast.
That's like Buddha.
joe rogan
We went to a strip club for 10 minutes.
Did we go for 10 minutes?
duncan trussell
Yeah, 10 minutes.
joe rogan
It was right next to this restaurant with this bomb-ass Indian restaurant in Birmingham.
And then we would stop in at this place.
It was a disaster.
duncan trussell
Well, it's Joe Rogan.
joe rogan
No, it wasn't that.
unidentified
It's just...
duncan trussell
Oh, no.
There were people coming up to take your picture.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it was just the weirdest strip club ever.
And I'm trying to be as nice as possible.
The best way to say it is, you'd be kind of shocked that those girls are strippers.
duncan trussell
I was wondering what you were going to say.
joe rogan
It's the best, you know.
duncan trussell
Well, and it seems like there were other vocations that would have been better choices for them.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
duncan trussell
It seems like when their guidance counselor was telling them what to do, he shouldn't have said stripper.
joe rogan
Anyway, nice people.
duncan trussell
But what was...
joe rogan
We couldn't do it.
We got in there.
We thought we were going to be able to sit down and just have a beer and just laugh and giggle, you know, for a little bit and then leave.
unidentified
But we were getting bombed on.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it was pretty sad.
I mean, it wasn't even like...
When I go to strip clubs, aside from the fact of seeing hot, naked girls dancing, the other thing I like is the...
The darkness is there.
The seediness.
The seediness and the darkness.
Because it's funny to me because it's all a...
This is a result of a specific type of culture.
This wouldn't work if people weren't sexually repressed.
This wouldn't work if people didn't wear clothes.
There's so many weird cultural things that have to happen for a strip club to even make sense.
So when you go into there and you see the fucking weird relationship between the women...
Who are trying to act dirty and slutty and then the guys who feel like they're breaking the rules tonight.
You know what I mean?
It's a funny thing because it really is nothing.
It's like you're looking at a naked girl mounting a fucking pole.
You're getting a lap dance.
It's just...
joe rogan
I went to a strip club once with Phil Hartman.
Phil Hartman was, uh, I wish, uh, more people got to see what that dude was like without being, like, Mr. Like, clean family, you know?
He was, like, super concerned about his image.
Right.
But...
Outside of that, he would say ridiculously dirty shit, man.
He was always telling you to smell his fingers and claiming it was different people in the cast that he figured.
He was ridiculous.
He was really funny.
To the point where they would get mad at him.
He cracked me up, man.
He was a serious blazer.
Phil Hartman used to get high every day, dude.
Especially after work.
He was very professional.
But after work, he would get blazed.
He'd get blazed and go out on his boat.
But I went to a strip club with him once.
I've never seen a guy who was...
Because he was such a great guy.
He was so expressive.
And he was a genuinely, like, friendly guy.
And this is a different era, okay?
We're talking about the early 1990s.
This was like 1995, you know?
And it was like, you know, he was there and the girl was dancing in front of him.
And he was like...
There was no shame in it at all.
He was so happy because he was...
He was so happy.
He was looking at her and she goes, I'll never forget his face.
Look at him and go, oh yeah, that's beautiful.
That's beautiful.
duncan trussell
That's cool.
joe rogan
He was like smiling, like beautiful.
Like you're beautiful.
unidentified
Woo!
joe rogan
Like he was just happy.
It wasn't creepy.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
No, that's great.
joe rogan
It was just a guy like looking at a girl's vagina and ass going, wow!
duncan trussell
It's beautiful.
I love people like that.
joe rogan
You would have loved Phil Hartman.
That guy, when he died, that hurt.
That sucked.
That was a tough one.
He was a really good guy, man.
That was a tough one.
Did I ever tell you how I found out?
There was a girl who, I think she worked for one of those tabloid shows.
We had went out on one date, but just, you know, for whatever reason, it just didn't click.
So I was at home, and it was like 8 o'clock in the morning.
unidentified
8 o'clock in the morning.
joe rogan
The phone rings, and it's her, and I'm like, what's going on?
I'm like, why are you calling me at 8 o'clock in the morning?
And she's like, you don't know?
I go, I don't know what.
And she goes, I don't want to be the first one to tell you.
I go, well, fucking tell me.
What happened?
And then she goes, Phil's dead.
And I go, Phil Hartman?
And she goes, yes.
She goes, it was a murder-suicide.
I went, whoa.
And first of all, I thought he killed her and then killed himself.
unidentified
You thought that first?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, you hear murder-suicide, you just automatically think men are the ones who commit violent crimes.
That's how I automatically assume.
unidentified
I don't think that.
I think crazy bitches are crazy and they would fucking shoot.
brian redban
I always think I'm going to get shot by a girl I'm dating.
joe rogan
Well, that's because of the dating pool that you're drawing from, son.
duncan trussell
I think that's a good instinct.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah, the dating pool that you draw from has been peed in.
I mean, just assume.
I mean, don't you?
When you hear about a murder-suicide, you assume that it was the man?
duncan trussell
I actually think girls.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Wow, man.
That's because you're so nice and you're not violent at all.
That's what it is.
duncan trussell
I don't hang out with crazy guys.
brian redban
Because you hang out with fighters and a bunch of jiu-jitsu guys, you're around a different kind of animal than I'm used to.
unidentified
I'm used to guys that have GameStop cards and stuff.
joe rogan
Jiu-jitsu guys are very friendly, man.
You'd be amazed.
First of all, their ego gets squashed real early because you get tapped out a lot.
When you learn jiu-jitsu, especially in the early years, you have to have a healthy ego or you'll never get through being a white belt.
Being a white belt is demeaning.
Men manhandle you.
You know, I remember my first time I was training at Carlson Gracie's on Hawthorne Street.
It was 1996 when I first started doing jiu-jitsu.
And there was this kid who was a purple belt.
This Brazilian kid.
unidentified
He fucking would rape me.
joe rogan
Just crush me.
Every time we would roll.
And it drove me nuts because he wasn't any bigger than me.
He was my size.
He was my age.
We were the same.
And he would just fucking manhandle me.
Dude would just toss me around and strangle me.
And I remember thinking like, man, I can't believe that it's so easy for someone to do this to me.
And then I knew like this guy was only a purple belt.
He wasn't even a black belt.
That feeling is not a good feeling.
The feeling of getting your ass kicked like that in the gym is not a good feeling.
But the only way to get good is you gotta get used to that.
You gotta roll with good guys.
If you don't roll with good guys, you don't know whether or not you can really tap them.
You don't know whether or not your shit only works on people who suck.
You gotta get tapped.
In the beginning, you've got to get strangled all the time.
People are going to throw you around.
They're going to dominate you.
So if you can get through that, usually your egos are really in check.
Jiu-Jitsu guys are some of the friendliest, nicest, most easygoing guys that I've ever been around.
Kickboxers are a little more edgy.
And one of the reasons is kickboxers, they don't go full out in the gym.
They sort of go hard, but there's always like, you're going too hard.
There's a thing that happens in stand-up gyms.
It doesn't happen...
It happens occasionally, but not as much in jiu-jitsu.
And that's someone going too hard.
Because in stand-up, it's always an issue.
Because you're not really fighting.
You have big gloves on.
The gloves are 16 ounces as opposed to 4. Or 8 or 10 if you're kickboxing.
But when you're throwing at each other, you're supposed to be pulling back a little.
You know?
And so, guys are always like, yeah, if I didn't pull back, I could have fucking knocked your ass out.
There's some unresolved issues with some guys.
So, some of them tend to be a bit more douchey.
It's like, and then the more, like, limited their sport is, the more insecure they are and the more douchey they are.
Like, boxers are more douchey than kickboxers are more douchey.
And it's all generalizations, but for the most part...
Jiu-Jitsu guys and wrestlers seem to be like the most easy going.
They go at it all the time.
You blow out all the stress out of your system and all that ego shit.
Especially with Jiu-Jitsu.
You get tapped all the time.
You gotta accept it.
duncan trussell
Yeah, man.
It's spooky when you run into people who have a shitload of pinup aggression.
joe rogan
Yes.
duncan trussell
It's scary.
I was at the Grove and I had parked.
It wasn't the greatest parking job ever.
I'll admit it was a shitty parking job.
And I'm getting in my car and this old man.
He's standing there looking at me and he's like, why did you park like that?
So it's forcing this weird confrontation in a parking lot, and the guys...
You know that thing when you get around someone and you can feel your goosebumps happen?
joe rogan
Like they're thinking about hitting you or something.
duncan trussell
Yeah, like your body's telling you, like, this is not a good situation.
That was happening, and it's like this old man.
I'm like, fuck, this could be that thing where the guy's got a gun.
And this is where it pops.
This is where the volcano explodes, and I end up getting blasted in the grove.
unidentified
Bang!
Bang!
joe rogan
And they catch it in the background of Mario Lopez's e-show.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, right.
joe rogan
So he's got his show going on.
And he's interviewing somebody and some old man shoots you.
duncan trussell
That's the worst.
People fucking die like that all the time.
People get smoked all the time by people who have these little volcanic explosions.
joe rogan
Wrong place at the wrong time.
It's a real scenario.
brian redban
The other day I was driving and there was a biker in the road and he was doing one of those things where he was wobbling.
duncan trussell
I think the guy was drunk or something.
brian redban
And I just kind of tried to go around him and then I didn't do the horn the whole way.
I did like a where you just barely touch it and it makes a noise.
unidentified
Not even loud at all.
And he just starts screaming and he freaked out.
joe rogan
You know where I never saw that?
Boulder.
Boulder, Colorado.
You know why?
100,000 people.
That's why.
That's how you're supposed to live.
You're not supposed to live like this.
Everybody's all on edge, man.
duncan trussell
Yeah, that's true.
joe rogan
You know?
duncan trussell
There's some agro bikers in L.A., man.
I saw it.
Remember that guy?
joe rogan
There's too many fucking people in L.A. You're taking a huge risk if you're riding to bike places.
I mean, I support your right to do it, and I'm cautious of bikes.
I try to be cautious.
duncan trussell
Me too.
joe rogan
But, wow, I look at them, I'm like, what a crazy risk you're taking.
duncan trussell
Dude, I've seen so many hipster bike accidents in Silver Lake.
We're walking down the sidewalk and you see a, you know, first it's a record from the thrift store they were at.
joe rogan
Like they were biking one-handed.
duncan trussell
Yeah, a couple of books and then you come up to like a fucking hipster having a seizure.
I've seen a hipster on the sidewalk seizing up as the ambulance came surrounded by old library books and weird like lace bags.
joe rogan
So he crashed, no helmet on?
duncan trussell
No helmet.
No helmet.
Crashes and just...
But I saw a fucking minivan just pull into a parking lot and wasn't paying attention and just t-bone a biker.
Boom, like 12 feet.
Just fucking dangerous.
So I understand why bikers here are freaking out, but do you remember that guy at the comedy store?
There was a biker that used to ride up and down Sunset and he was this super agro biker.
Fucking ripped.
And I saw a guy yell at him in his car like what you did.
joe rogan
A comic?
duncan trussell
No, it was just some bicycler who used to hang out.
joe rogan
But he was always there?
duncan trussell
Always there.
And he was always pissed.
He was always screaming at traffic.
And I remember some car was like, watch out!
Because he's weaving in and out of traffic.
And the guy just stops his bike.
Because I don't think people realize that with bikers.
We're so used to doing cars.
There's this, like, I can get away from you.
I can say something.
A bicycler...
Can weave through traffic at a stoplight and just attack you.
They can get you.
We forget that.
There's no enclosure around them.
joe rogan
We forget that.
Yeah, people have gotten used to the delay and violence between cars where you're like, well, fuck you!
It's too much work.
I want to get out of the car and fucking get all the way to you.
duncan trussell
This guy's in open fucking air, and he's leaving in and out of Sunset Boulevard traffic, and he's deranged.
And so some idiot says something to him, and the guy, this is what he's been waiting to happen.
He stops his bike, turns and looks at the guy, and not...
You can just hear he meant this.
He's like...
I'm going to put you in the hospital.
I'm going to break your fucking jaw, is what he said.
And it was just such venom and evil and anger spewing out of this.
He didn't punch the guy.
unidentified
There's people.
joe rogan
Yeah, you can't be a cunt.
There's people that want to punch people.
If you run into them, you're a cunt.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
But, I mean, isn't it interesting that we have this sort of escalated anger that exists inside cars because we don't have to socially interact with each other.
We don't have to, like, feel it.
You don't have to feel the repercussions, the social repercussions of being a shithead.
So people just get so elevated in cars.
duncan trussell
They pop.
unidentified
I like SUVs.
brian redban
I don't think I could ever go back down to a small little car because you feel even more protected in an SUV. Because if shit goes down, you just run the person over and go over a couple cars and escape.
joe rogan
You watch too many movies.
What if you get a flat?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Yeah, it's weird how you just assume, but it's funny also, the things that people say when they're in cars.
There's a video of Nick Diaz, and he had missed a press conference, and he was supposed to go and fight George St. Pierre, but they pulled him from the fight because he missed a couple of press conferences, so he made a video about it, and this is a video, like a public video, and he's in his car, and as he's driving, making this video, someone won't let him in.
He's like, let me in, let me in, fuck your mother!
Oh, fuck your mother!
unidentified
It's like, when people say shit like that, that's funny, man.
joe rogan
Because he wouldn't say fuck your mother if you were right in front of him, if you were like some lady.
But, you know, if it's a lady and she's in a car in front of you, you don't even have to worry about hurting her feelings.
You can say the most ruthless shit.
duncan trussell
Dude, when I'm driving, I try to chant to relax.
You do?
Yes, I do.
So I'll be chanting when I'm driving.
Like what chant?
I'm driving through traffic.
I hate driving, so I'm chanting to relax.
And inevitably, someone will cut me off, and in the middle of chanting, I'll be like, you stupid fucking bitch!
unidentified
You fucking whore!
duncan trussell
Just break into four.
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
duncan trussell
That's what's really there, you know?
joe rogan
Dude, that's a joke.
You think?
Fuck yeah, that's hilarious.
You should talk about that on stage.
You could go far with that concept.
duncan trussell
Oh, cool.
That's cool.
Now I'll do that.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, that's the unavoidable stress of living in cities.
There's too much tension.
This is not healthy.
You know, we're all redlining every day.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's so weird, man.
joe rogan
Small communities are nicer.
It's just, you know, you deal with, or you used to deal with in the age before the internet.
You dealt with a lot more small-minded people.
You dealt with a lot more religious wackos if you wanted to live in the middle of nowhere.
It's tough to get away from the really, really religious people.
duncan trussell
You know what, man?
I had a...
Speaking of religious people, I had a...
Real American moment today where I was like, man, this is a pretty good country.
You know the inception at birth thing that just got overturned?
Do you know about this?
joe rogan
No, what is that?
duncan trussell
Can you see where it was, man?
I can't remember where it was.
Can you do a favor for me?
Tilt the logo of your mic towards you.
You're talking to the side of the...
No, no, the logo on the front of it.
joe rogan
There's a thing on the right here.
unidentified
In front of the mic.
joe rogan
See, like this?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
See, it's around here.
Look at the part where it's written and point that towards your face.
duncan trussell
Oh, gotcha.
joe rogan
See it?
unidentified
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Yeah, I got it.
joe rogan
There you go.
Ooh, that sounds so much better.
duncan trussell
Hello.
joe rogan
There you go.
You're back.
duncan trussell
So, yeah, man.
It's like personhood at conception.
joe rogan
I need another water.
unidentified
Personhood.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
I think that's what it's called.
It's called personhood.
So, like, it's this thing where they want...
Basically, they want to say that...
I can't remember the exact words for it.
They have an exact word for it.
I can't remember the term.
Say it again.
Like, say, look up conception personhood at conception.
The idea is, like, when conception happens, when the fucking eggs are on the uterine wall and are fertilized by a sperm, that is now a human being.
That's a person.
So they were trying to pass that, which would make all forms of abortion illegal and maybe even birth control, depending on, like, how you look at it.
So anyway, it got overturned.
The voters overturned it, and they were thinking it wouldn't get overturned.
But it was like super religious fundamentalists were trying to...
joe rogan
So when you say overturned, you mean it passed?
duncan trussell
It didn't pass.
And they thought it was going to...
There it is.
joe rogan
Well, isn't overturned means something gets passed and then overturned?
duncan trussell
No, I'm sorry.
It didn't get voted for.
It didn't make it in.
It was a measure that didn't get voted for.
It lost and people were saying it was going to win.
So it was cool.
The political system in that one case worked where they thought it wouldn't.
joe rogan
Scary shit, man.
duncan trussell
Scary shit?
joe rogan
Well, you know, it's also scary when you think about what abortion really is, you know?
That's scary, too.
I mean, you're taking a baby and you're sucking it out of your pussy with a vacuum.
unidentified
It's definitely too expensive.
duncan trussell
Well, there's different...
You know what, man?
There's a lot of versions of abortion that I think are fucking horrible and I totally am not for, but there is definitely cases where it should happen.
joe rogan
Well, not only that, how about, you know...
It's up to the person who's carrying the baby inside of them.
Until the baby's born, it's up to them.
I mean, I think if you have an aborted kid that's perfectly healthy and it's like six months old inside your body, that's kind of crazy.
But I know that people have done that in the past.
duncan trussell
I think if it's not for a medical reason, it's not...
And I don't know if they...
It's those fucking partial birth abortions.
You know about those, right?
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
They ice-pick the fucking brain of the baby.
It's a baby.
I mean, I think that's not...
That definitely shouldn't happen.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
It's almost like, I don't see it.
I don't see it.
I know what you're talking about.
La, la, la, la, la, la, la.
duncan trussell
Yeah, just put a blanket on your baby.
Why don't you give birth to the thing and cover it in a blanket and ice pick it?
joe rogan
Since it's inside the pussy and you don't see me sticking the ice pick in its head, it's okay.
It's okay.
If it was outside and I jabbed it in front of you and then chopped it up into pieces, you'd be like, you just killed the baby.
duncan trussell
Or if it came out for a second and you put it back in, couldn't do it.
Same baby, but if you pulled it out of the vagina and put it back in, you couldn't ice pick it once it'd been in the air.
The rule is once it's been in the air, you can't kill it anymore.
joe rogan
Then it's a person.
Then it's alive.
duncan trussell
Yeah, that's fucked up.
That doesn't make sense.
joe rogan
How crazy is it?
It's really strange.
This is a taboo subject.
This is a subject you're supposed to, if you're a rational, open-minded person, you're supposed to just favor choice.
Which I do.
I think it's a real slippery slope.
It's a real slippery slope when someone tells you what you can and can't do with your body.
It seems like you're killing a baby, but I guess you should be able to do it.
We've discussed this before.
It's much easier when it's a small couple cells.
It's much easier to rationalize.
It's on its way to being a baby.
duncan trussell
It depends on where the thing is.
It depends on a lot of different things.
Everyone wants to make these sweeping things.
The two extreme sides are it should be illegal no matter what.
Even if a rapist impregnated the woman and the baby's going to kill her, then she should have that baby and we'll raise the baby up to Christ.
joe rogan
Say his name.
duncan trussell
Say his name, Lord Jesus Christ.
We'll raise that rapist baby up to Jesus Christ and he could be the next president.
joe rogan
Did you see Rick Perry stumble?
duncan trussell
What's that?
joe rogan
Did you see Rick Perry stumble?
duncan trussell
Yeah, it was awesome.
joe rogan
It was such hilarious.
duncan trussell
It was such a fucking...
It was uncomfortable to watch that.
joe rogan
It's hilarious to think that you don't know that.
duncan trussell
Yeah, you forgot.
joe rogan
You don't know that.
You forgot that.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
You're running for president.
How the fuck are we going to let you keep track of the world's military presence?
duncan trussell
Isn't he the executioner?
Isn't Rick Perry the one who had shitloads of people he executed?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
In Texas.
duncan trussell
In Texas.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Including controversial ones.
duncan trussell
He sends them to the fryer.
joe rogan
Yeah, they send a lot of them to the fryer.
Which, you know, listen, if people are cunts, I kind of like that.
I like getting rid of them.
But I don't trust the political system.
duncan trussell
That's the problem.
joe rogan
Yeah, that is it.
That's number one.
duncan trussell
But Rick Perry's a, you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette kind of guy.
He's like, if I gotta fucking kill a couple of nice people to fry a bunch of assholes, then well, that's the price you pay for liberty.
joe rogan
Yeah, he is one of those guys, right?
duncan trussell
Yeah, that's what he's like.
He's a fucking asshole is what he is, man.
I mean, you can't...
It's like, that's the main thing.
Until we perfect the system, the legal system, you can't have the death penalty.
It's not part of being a citizen of the United States does not mean that you've got to risk being falsely imprisoned and executed because the legal system isn't perfect.
That's wrong.
You can't give the ultimate punishment unless you've really perfected the system.
joe rogan
Until we know 100%.
I know there's way better methods now than there have ever been before when you include genetics.
I've watched CSI. I'm pretty sure I'm up to what they're up to.
But still, there's a lot of doubt in some cases.
And there's also fucking shady cops, man.
There's people who plant evidence.
They plant evidence.
It happens all the time.
It's not something that's never taken place in the history of man.
It has most certainly taken place.
It's been proven.
So you've got to know your system is fucking airtight, and it's just not.
duncan trussell
Also, what if someone actually reforms?
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
While they're in prison, what if someone is actually now a good person?
Are you still gonna kill them?
joe rogan
Depends on what they did.
If they killed people, I'd say yeah.
duncan trussell
Let's say they killed someone.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm biblical on that, man.
duncan trussell
You're Sharia on that.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'm my friend.
duncan trussell
It's Sharia law.
joe rogan
I think there's certain justifiable homicides, you know?
I think I believe in that.
I believe in if someone's trying to kill you.
Like, I heard this story.
Who told me this story?
Was it you?
About the death metal band?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, you tell me.
Tell me this story.
You told me on the plane.
duncan trussell
Tell me the story.
So here's the story.
joe rogan
Perfect example of justifiable homicide.
duncan trussell
There's a documentary on Norwegian death metal that I saw on Netflix.
So if I fuck up the story for death metal fans out there, I apologize.
I'm going to tell it as best as I can remember it.
So the idea is it's about Burzum.
Basically, it's about this group.
Where did punk form?
In the UK. I have no idea.
So punk forms, and there's a group of punk bands.
Wherever there's an art movement, there's a group of artists who are the core of the movement.
Or even in music, like with gangster rap.
There was N.W.A. There's a bunch of...
joe rogan
Ice-T. Yeah, right.
duncan trussell
And they all kind of form together.
So Norway's answer to that...
is Norwegian death metal where these fucking guys decide that they're gonna go hardcore and be like truly truly as dark as you can get terrible people terrible well they they like so they started burning down churches they started going through the countryside burning down churches and uh one in one of the bands one of the band members uh was so depressed Because he's into death metal,
and that's all they think about is death, that he goes back to his house, puts a gun in his mouth, and blows his brains out.
And the other guy in the band comes to the house...
Sees his dead body, takes a picture of his fucking head, and uses that as the cover of their next album.
joe rogan
Holy shit.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's just fucking hardcore, man.
So they're burning down churches, and Burzum hears that this other guy was his competitor, he had some history with, he heard that this guy was saying, yeah, I'm gonna kill him.
I'm just going to kill him.
And he was bragging about how he was going to kill him.
So this guy's like, oh, well, okay.
He wants to kill me.
He's going to kill me.
So I'm going to have to kill him first.
And he got in his car and he drove to where the guy was and he fucking executed the guy.
He killed him.
He went to jail.
He's in jail in Norway.
Oh, play Burzum receiving his life sentence.
Wait till you see this.
Can we play that on YouTube?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I think so.
duncan trussell
So he gets, like, not life sentence.
Is this the movie?
joe rogan
Hey, Brian, how is...
I'm noticing this before we play this.
How would you have me reversed?
You have my left hand, my right hand, and my right hand, my left hand.
It's freaking me out, man.
unidentified
It's so that it looks like we're all talking to each other.
duncan trussell
Oh, that's cool.
joe rogan
Oh, that's so bizarre.
unidentified
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Yeah, look up Burzum received sentence.
And it's really weird because the guy gets like a 27 year sentence in prison because that's all they can give in Norway.
That's it?
Yeah, and he gives the creepiest smile.
joe rogan
Whoa.
So how many years has he been in for?
duncan trussell
I don't know.
I don't follow death metal that much.
joe rogan
In your way, you can only get 27 years no matter what you do.
duncan trussell
Something like that.
God, I feel like...
I'm sorry, man.
You guys, I feel like I've thrown out some wonky facts.
I only have a fuzzy understanding of everything.
How do you say the guy's name again?
Burzum.
B-U-R-Z-U-M. Vlad something.
Vrignes or something.
Vlad Vrignes.
Let me see.
Yeah, that's him.
What does it say?
This one?
That's the guy who did it.
That's the guy.
They were burning down churches, man.
They were burning down these antique wooden churches.
joe rogan
And someone wanted to kill him.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Crank that shit.
Let me hear that.
unidentified
Okay.
Varg Vikernes, born 1173, was arrested for a penalty in 21-21-21.
Vikernes was arrested for an overlapped penalty.
In addition, he was arrested for a penalty in Oslo, Scholl Church in Rogaland, Aasane, Look at that grin!
duncan trussell
That's because fucking prison in Norway is like a country club.
joe rogan
Is it really?
duncan trussell
Oh yeah, man.
It's nice, dude.
They've got nice prisons there.
joe rogan
Really?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
It's not like the U.S. prisons.
Norway's got this really fucking intense ethic about reforming people.
They really want to reform people.
Their prison systems are based on reformation rather than revenge.
Like in the United States, it's like exacting punishment.
We must punish you.
We're going to take it out of your hide.
There, they're like, look, let's try to fix them.
Maybe there's a way to make it so that they don't go back into society as criminals still.
We might be able to just fix them.
You know, fix the problem.
joe rogan
Wow.
duncan trussell
Because, I mean, the death penalty, you don't have to...
joe rogan
How do you feel about that?
duncan trussell
Oh, I think it's genius.
joe rogan
You think it's genius?
Does it work?
duncan trussell
I don't know.
If it works, it's great.
joe rogan
When we were in England, do you remember there was a moment where I was talking to the crowd about how polite people are in England?
This is crazy.
This is so different than America.
The way people act, the way people behave, the crowds, they're just so different.
And in Norway, they're probably pretty nice folks for the most part.
unidentified
I bet.
joe rogan
This is what they're trying to do.
Think of how nice and friendly people are in England.
It's probably real similar in Norway.
It's almost like that system has to be in place almost from the get-go.
It's like once you get as rotten...
As the prison system that we have today, to take those people and just shove them into country clubs and make everything nice and fun and easy.
duncan trussell
The thing is, man, there's so many other, you know, there's the, what do they call it?
joe rogan
Do you think that that would ever possibly work?
duncan trussell
Well, I think you have to mix in some pharmaceuticals.
You have to be able to legally give them mushrooms and psychedelics in combination with really radical therapies to reform them.
joe rogan
To reform the way they're thinking.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you can't do that now.
duncan trussell
You can't do that now.
But they used to.
Timothy Leary was doing it with Alpert.
They were doing experiments with reforming prisoners, and they would go into jails and eat mushrooms with the prisoners.
They would trip with the prisoners.
unidentified
Whoa.
duncan trussell
Yeah, and it was, you know, it's anyone who's done a psychedelic, if you think about it, you're like, oh yeah, this could really, this, if anything, can fix a person's deep psychic problems, this could do it, if it was done the right way.
Because of the pharmacological inquisition that is happening right now, these substances, you can barely even experiment with them.
And now that they have, Johns Hopkins University is saying, oh yeah, if you eat mushrooms, it'll improve your personality.
Yeah.
So maybe that's the key.
Maybe the Hopkins study will lead to more studies, which will lead to treatments for people who have...
brian redban
Are all these studies, when they do these studies, all these people that are taking these studies are usually people that need money and probably are depressed anyway, so they probably made everybody's life...
See, the thing is, man, they don't take really nice wealthy golfers that are retired on Florida and go, hey, take this study.
They're probably taking people that need a quick $300.
duncan trussell
No, they're very strict about it.
When they're getting applicants, especially for big studies like these, they have like...
That's part of the...
When the FDA is approving this shit, that's a big part of what they go through.
Where are you getting your control group?
Where are you getting your group from that you're doing the study on?
Because if it was like...
You're thinking about the way they do tests for TV shows.
brian redban
You know, I'm saying that, like, is these studies like the same that I used to do in college?
Or are these studies like a bunch of poor people?
duncan trussell
Or are they like a mix of these studies?
joe rogan
Because that means a lot.
Yeah, who is John Hopkins studying?
Were they studying students?
duncan trussell
You can look up.
There's like housewives in the Johns Hopkins studies.
They were like intentionally trying to find people who are like not as familiar with mushrooms or hadn't taken them because...
But needed a quick $300 for the study.
unidentified
You know what I'm saying?
That's what I'm saying.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
You know, I don't know, man.
That's a good point.
brian redban
Because all those people, if they take mushrooms, their life's going to feel better because they're fucking great.
duncan trussell
You know what?
I don't like eating mushrooms when I'm fucking broke.
And if I was in a – I don't know the income.
That sucks.
When you're tripping and you start thinking about bills – That's what I'm saying.
That's a fucking shitty trip, man.
joe rogan
Well, yeah, it depends on how much it weighs on you.
For some people, when you're broke, it's all day.
It weighs on you.
Other people can just kind of brush it off, and they don't seem to give a fuck.
duncan trussell
I consider it a party drug.
brian redban
Like, I want to fucking leave this reality.
I want to just get the fuck out of this, you know?
joe rogan
That's what you consider mushrooms.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I do too, but along the way, it's always this white-knuckle ride where you're scared as fuck before you do it, and then once you do it, you realize, God, why was I ever scared of this?
And then after it's over, you sort of assess whatever you've kind of absorbed, whatever fish you've caught in your golden net.
duncan trussell
That's cool, man.
Yeah, you catch some fish.
Mushrooms, I've never thought of them as a go-out-party drug.
In the days when I would take it, acid was that.
I could go out and have fun.
When I was a kid, you'd go to shopping malls and trip.
joe rogan
Did you ever get to a point where you weren't lucid, like you couldn't communicate?
With LSD? Yeah, like where you're out and you're talking to people and you just can't keep it together, like you can't communicate with them?
duncan trussell
Not when I was out.
I took a really powerful dose and tried to have a conversation with a girl I was taking it with and I sounded like a schizophrenic.
I was having like word salad.
We had just gone to some Greek festival and I had watched these little kids dancing and I was like sitting watching these kids like doing some weird Greek traditional dance and it was like It felt like I could see through the concrete.
It just felt like this beautiful moment where the universe is like watching a flower.
It's a traditional weird dance.
It's so cool the way the universe can express beauty in that way.
So I was tripping.
And sitting on the couch, and I'm trying to tell her, universe, flower, beautiful, God, yeah?
You know that kind of word, salad, just shit?
Because I was so spellbound and also tripping so hard, my language centers have gotten fucked up.
I mean, when you see someone on a heavy dose of acid, they have a problem talking.
They, like, their language gets all mixed up and weird.
brian redban
My last shroom thing, I couldn't even walk.
unidentified
That was the first time I ever did a psychedelic where I couldn't use my feet.
duncan trussell
I fell to the ground.
Whoa, that's crazy.
joe rogan
You fell to the ground in the presence of Jesus!
duncan trussell
Praise the Lord.
joe rogan
Say his name!
duncan trussell
Dude, do you want to hear my podcast prayer?
joe rogan
Yeah, I do, but I wanted to ask you something, and I just forgot what I wanted to ask you.
Oh, oh, did you know that Ted Kaczynski was involved in the Harvard LSD studies?
duncan trussell
You told me that.
It's fucking crazy, man.
joe rogan
There's a whole documentary about it.
It's not an American one.
It's called The Net, and it's all about how they caught him, and it's all about how he got started.
And he, you know, there's...
I think there's...
There's certain people that are accusing that study of wrecking his brain, you know, and that he was a fairly normal guy, and once he went through the LSD study, they cooked him.
They cooked his mind.
unidentified
They probably gave him crazy high doses.
joe rogan
Well, I don't think they knew back then.
They didn't know.
They were fucking around, you know?
I think there was a lot of experimenting.
duncan trussell
No way they knew, man.
They were just fucking...
Who knows?
They had no idea, man.
joe rogan
How do they know what the correct dose was?
unidentified
32 ounce of acid.
joe rogan
Oh, it could have been, man.
It could have been.
They did some nutty shit to people.
duncan trussell
People made some big mistakes, man.
People made some big mistakes back then.
joe rogan
They tried to cover it, though.
They tried to cover the fact that Kaczynski was a part of their studies because it's a real embarrassment.
I mean, when I say they, I don't even know who the fuck they are.
I might have made that up.
How about that?
But what did happen is the guy became a professor of mathematics for a few years at, I think it was University of California, Berkeley, and he just did it to make enough money to buy this cabin in the woods and plot his attack on technology.
Jesus Christ.
He was gone, man.
He was gone.
This guy was out alone in the woods.
If you don't know the story of the Unabomber, if you're a young child, if you're coming to us under the age of 20, you might not even have ever heard of it before.
But it was a guy who was a brilliant, brilliant guy who was targeting all these various people that were involved in technology and fucking blowing their heads off.
duncan trussell
Sending mail bombs.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he was doing it all from a fucking shack in the middle.
duncan trussell
Building mailbomb.
joe rogan
Yeah, remember?
That was like a sketch that they had of him.
And he was really terrorizing people for a long time.
And they were having a really hard time figuring out who the fuck he was.
They knew he was a genius, but they couldn't figure out who he was.
And then he released a manifesto.
And his brother read the manifesto, and his brother said he knew.
He said he knew right away.
He's like, oh, this is my crazy-ass fucking psycho brother that lost his mind to LSD, who's living in the woods in a box.
He's got, like, this wooden box that he lives in in the middle of the woods.
He thought that technology was eventually going to take over, and technology was the enemy, and it was...
duncan trussell
Yeah, there's a whole form of, like, anarchy.
There's a guy, Zerzan.
If you look up John Zerzan, I think his name is...
joe rogan
I've heard that name before.
duncan trussell
Yeah, he's this intense, like, anarchist.
He's, like, anti-technology, which is weird because he's got a blog, but...
joe rogan
Kaczynski was right in a way, though, right?
I mean, technology is sort of taking over our lives and eventually is going to be a part of our lives permanently.
You know, once you start going to...
What is that?
duncan trussell
That's Zerzan.
joe rogan
I mean, you start getting to the point where people become human hybrids, you know, when we become cyborgs, you know, technology literally will take over.
duncan trussell
Yeah, totally, man.
I mean, it's like...
joe rogan
He saw it.
I mean, he saw a path, and I mean, it's a horrible thing that he did, but it's fascinating that blowing his brain out on acid would make him reach that conclusion.
I mean, I might be simplifying his position.
duncan trussell
It was a factor.
It was probably a factor.
If the guy was already imbalanced or was already off...
Taking heavy doses of Harvard LSD back in the day, that's not going to help you.
joe rogan
Do you think it's possible to do that to a person who's fine?
Do you think you can take you and just blast your fucking brain out and you never come back?
duncan trussell
Fuck yeah.
What about MKUltra?
The government experiments with mind control and the idea of creating a psychedelic bomb.
unidentified
I thought you were talking about Maddie Kirsch.
duncan trussell
No.
joe rogan
That's Maddie Kirsch's nickname.
duncan trussell
Yeah, MKUltra, man.
Look that shit up.
joe rogan
Yeah, so a psychedelic bomb, what do you mean?
Like, what were they trying to do?
duncan trussell
Have you ever seen Jacob's Ladder?
joe rogan
Yes, they were trying to do that.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's like the idea is they were experimenting with some kind of psychedelic that you could drop on troops like a nerve agent.
joe rogan
And they would just all trip out.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Fall down and trip out.
duncan trussell
You can't fight if you're tripping really hard enough.
That's so true.
What a great idea that is.
Great idea.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, just bonk everybody out on acid.
duncan trussell
Sure.
Fucking love bombs.
joe rogan
Wow, a bomb.
So they wanted it to explode in the air and somehow or another everybody would get infected with acid.
duncan trussell
I don't know how they were going to fucking distribute it.
It was probably gas.
joe rogan
If you would think that LSD, you just need a tiny amount of LSD. It was explained...
duncan trussell
But this shit wasn't LSD, Joe.
This was like something they were trying to make to give you fucked up trips.
It wasn't like they wanted to give you a nice LSD trip.
Some of the stuff they whipped up...
joe rogan
Yeah, but I mean, even if it was just a strong LSD, if you blew it on the troops, they'd be jacked.
duncan trussell
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Would you try it, Duncan?
joe rogan
LSD troops?
duncan trussell
Troops LSD? No!
The shit that they're talking about is like a...
They were like...
It was a bad trip.
It's like an evil death trip.
It's not a good trip.
joe rogan
And everybody would just fall down and be twitching in this trip.
Oh my god!
But is that more humane than nuking them?
duncan trussell
Than killing them.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
Which is better.
joe rogan
That's better.
For sure.
Make people trip out.
It's better than nuke them.
unidentified
Have you ever met a guy that likes bad trips?
Like, that was his bondage?
Like, I just need the worst trip.
duncan trussell
Like, it's his fetish?
unidentified
I'm about to die.
joe rogan
Wow.
I guess I'm...
Yeah.
You know, that's a real terror, though.
People pretend they like terror.
Nobody likes terror.
You pretend you like terror because you want to be different or dangerous or moody or dark.
But real terror?
duncan trussell
Bad trips are no good.
joe rogan
You don't want that, bitch.
duncan trussell
Did I ever tell you about the time I saw a woman freaking out on acid at a rave?
unidentified
No.
duncan trussell
We were leaving.
It was in the morning.
It was me and my friend were leaving.
And this girl walks...
This girl's like crying and standing by herself and...
We went up to her like, you alright?
Can we help you?
And she's like, I lost my friends and I can't find them.
We're like, okay, well why don't we, you know, we're like, we'll give you a ride home.
We'll take you home.
Where do you live?
Or do you have a car here?
We're trying to help her out.
Her eyes were fucking black as night.
Black as the wings.
Just dilated.
So we're walking up the steps with her and all of a sudden she goes, Where is my mother?
I came from her womb!
unidentified
I came from her womb!
duncan trussell
And she's just screaming.
And we're like, oh, fuck.
This is a real bad trip.
She's melting down.
So we get to the top of the steps.
All of a sudden, she's back to normal.
She's like, my friends.
I can't find my friends.
So we look over and there's some paramedics.
And we wave them down.
They get her, put her on a table, straps, strapped her down, and the last thing I saw her was on a fucking table in front of a rave, writhing and going back into my That came from her womb!
joe rogan
Strapped.
duncan trussell
Yeah, they had to, man.
She's having a psychotic break.
joe rogan
She lost it.
duncan trussell
She took some shit and freaked the fuck out.
joe rogan
And that was from acid?
duncan trussell
I don't know.
I mean, it's something that dilated her eyes.
Could have been a million things.
joe rogan
Don't eat the brown acid.
duncan trussell
Don't eat the brown acid.
Don't eat the brown...
That, to me, with my luck, it feels like that's something I would have heard right after I'd eaten the brown acid.
Someone had just swallowed that stuff.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
duncan trussell
Don't eat the brown acid!
joe rogan
That's the problem with drugs being illegal.
You don't know what the fuck you're gonna get.
duncan trussell
Yeah, and most people don't know how to take them.
No one educates people on how to take them, so you end up with some fucking dumb, dopey kid who slurps back too much acid or whatever at a fucking rave and ends up in a mental asylum, probably for a few days.
joe rogan
How many people do you think have gone crazy because of acid?
Has anybody gone crazy because of anything else?
Like, no one's gone crazy because of mushrooms, right?
duncan trussell
I don't know.
joe rogan
Has that ever happened?
I've never heard of that.
unidentified
I think if you're borderline anything, it could definitely push you over.
joe rogan
Push you over?
Yeah, well, I remember one particular DMT trip where reality was real slippery for like two weeks afterwards where I felt like I might be a little crazy.
I remember I felt like this is...
I've seen something that doesn't make any sense and I got there so easy and it's so much more vibrant than this world.
That it's very difficult for me to accept this world.
So I start looking at this world as if this world might be some sort of an artificial construct and that might be the real world.
It sounds completely retarded until you've had a real full-blown psychedelic trip.
Because when you have a real full-blown one, that world that you enter, whatever the fuck that is, that world of hallucination.
I mean, hallucination is a strange word because it implies something.
You see something that's not there.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And I'm not necessarily sure that that's the correct way to look at it.
I think you might be seeing something that is there, but you just can't see normally.
I think that's more likely.
I don't think...
I mean, I think, you know, people see fucking, you know, a six foot tall rabbit that wants to take you to a secret room.
Yeah, you're probably hallucinating.
duncan trussell
Yeah, you are definitely hallucinating.
If you're not, you're in fucking trouble.
joe rogan
But if you go so far that the world around you has dissolved, at that point in time, this might not be imagination.
This might be another reality.
It might be something that you're just not capable of tuning into on a regular basis.
duncan trussell
See, this makes me think of a problem that I think is going to happen in the future, which is that once they figure out how to neurally put video games in your mind...
People are going to start having these real big problems differentiating virtual reality from actual reality.
And there's going to be some serious problems up ahead.
Because it's like...
Imagine, you know, what's the new...
What's the Modern Warfare 3 that just came out?
Like, imagine that.
You know, six generations of consoles and computers down the line.
Right.
You know?
And so, whatever that is...
It's going to taste good.
They're going to feel it.
They may have smells involved in it.
But what happens when that reality gets so good, you can no longer distinguish realities.
You can no longer distinguish virtual worlds from real worlds because they're triggering the same thing in your brain that reality is triggering right now, but they're doing with computers.
So it's indistinguishable.
So how do you know when you've turned off the game?
How do you know when you're not playing anymore?
joe rogan
This is hippie talk, man.
duncan trussell
Oh, fuck that, man.
joe rogan
This is what if, man.
You're right.
duncan trussell
You're 100% right.
I don't think this is a what if.
I will admit to a million what ifs, but this seems like, if you think of where Atari was back in the, you remember when Atari came out?
Do you remember that shit?
joe rogan
Right.
duncan trussell
And you saw that, for me it was like, holy shit.
joe rogan
You have to consider the possibility that if this life is some sort of an illusion, that it's some sort of an ever-changing illusion, and that you're constantly in a part of it, and maybe when you have these psychedelic trips, you wake up temporarily from the illusion.
Maybe psychedelics are like that sniffing shit that they give you when you get knocked out.
Yeah, smelling salts.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
Huh?
What's going on?
Where am I? Yeah, that's it.
Maybe that's what it is.
duncan trussell
Yeah, no, that's...
joe rogan
This is the work of fiction.
Like it appears to be.
duncan trussell
Yeah, this is just some kind of...
Or it's just like really low down on the spectrum of awareness.
I mean, it is happening, but you're only seeing one tiny pixel of the bigger thing.
joe rogan
It does many times feel like it's a work of fiction, though, doesn't it?
duncan trussell
Yeah, can I tell you when it really felt like a work of fiction?
When we flew on Air France first fucking class to the UK. That was, for me, it got really, really surreal and weird when we were sitting in that lounge.
Like, this was...
Like, I never fly first class...
So this was the kind of first class that I'd read about.
If you're out there and you've never flown Air France first class, first of all, please stay away from me because I don't like talking with people who haven't flown first class Air France.
But I felt corrupted in the first 30 minutes.
I was like, holy shit!
This is so different from any other flight.
It made every other first class experience I've had seem like Shit seemed like some it was well, you know, it was really creepy.
joe rogan
You know what a creepy move that they did man what everybody was there was first class Which is really nice and there was business class which is still really nice and there was coach which always sucks Well, we got up the plane landed and a lady went through the aisle and Telling the business class people to get out of the way and let the first class people get off the plane first.
unidentified
It's like Titanic shit.
duncan trussell
It's like Titanic shit.
joe rogan
But I've never seen anyone do it as aggressively as this lady did.
duncan trussell
She almost pushed a guy back.
There was a guy who was trying to get through.
She's like, sir, no, no, stay there.
And then we all walk by.
If you have a connecting flight, there's a...
Bond girl, basically, waiting in some kind of town car that picks you up, drives you to the security check-in.
You go through the security check-in.
Basically, they're treating you like you're a toddler.
They take you through the security check-in, and then you go up to this lounge.
There's this special Air France lounge in Paris, and we're sitting there.
joe rogan
Robin Williams walks in.
duncan trussell
Robin Williams walks in.
Are you serious?
That's where things seem like fiction, where it's like, okay, really?
joe rogan
I don't know him.
I don't want to bug him.
duncan trussell
Yeah, we didn't say hi, but it was very weird.
joe rogan
I would have bugged the fuck out of him.
I've been bugged, so leave me alone.
I don't need to talk to him.
duncan trussell
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it would feel weird talking to him.
joe rogan
Hey, you're awesome in that Matt Damon movie, man.
duncan trussell
What's that?
joe rogan
You're awesome in that Matt Damon movie, man.
What was it?
duncan trussell
I like the photographer one.
joe rogan
Oh, that was creepy as fuck.
Yeah, he's a good actor.
unidentified
One hour further or something.
joe rogan
But, yeah, it is weird how they push people aside.
They want the first class people to get off first.
Like, they made everybody sit down.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was disgusting.
duncan trussell
It's disgusting, and it's also...
That's how a lot of people have grown accustomed to living every moment of their lives.
You realize that the wealthy have...
Because, you know, sometimes I'll go out to a public place where there's a shitload of people and I'll walk around and I'll be like, man, I fucking hate being around all these people.
This sucks.
I don't like being in big crowds.
It's annoying.
It feels weird.
And then I'll be like, you're being negative, man.
You got to open up more.
You shouldn't let this bother you.
But I think a lot of super wealthy people, they're like, they analyze that feeling like, yeah, we don't want to be around anyone.
We just want to be around small groups of people sequestered from society.
joe rogan
That are like us.
That don't need our money.
duncan trussell
Yeah, that's it.
You know how the Galapagos Islands have their own species from being separated?
I think super rich people, they have their own species popping.
They have this own thing happening where they don't even...
They're really separated from us.
They don't know...
They don't even know about you.
I bet there's some super wealthy people that don't even fucking know about Occupy Wall Street.
joe rogan
Oh, that's ridiculous.
duncan trussell
I wouldn't be surprised.
joe rogan
Oh, come on.
That's impossible.
At this point, that's absolutely impossible.
duncan trussell
To me, it felt like there is a gigantic foam separation between us and them.
joe rogan
Did you see the Berkeley footage?
duncan trussell
No, I didn't.
joe rogan
Cops with batons just shoving them into the guts of these little kids.
Girls too.
Girls.
Shoving these batons into their sides.
Just jabbing them over and over.
The kids are screaming.
The kids are in a crowd.
Okay, so the kids are in the front of the crowd and they can't even go anywhere.
There's people behind them.
So these cops are, to push the crowd back, the cops are thrusting their batons into the unlucky people that are at the front of the line.
unidentified
Ugh.
joe rogan
And they're little people, man.
Little skinny kids.
And these cops are fucking jabbing them with batons.
It's really uncomfortable, man.
duncan trussell
Brian, you have really got a great studio going on here.
joe rogan
Brian, the thing isn't even in focus.
No, this isn't it.
unidentified
That's not it.
joe rogan
It's probably one of many times it's happened.
duncan trussell
It's just one of the many footage of the cops beating people.
joe rogan
They're sticking...
duncan trussell
Look at him!
I see him!
Look at him doing that shit, man!
joe rogan
They're poking him.
This isn't as clear.
Yeah, they're hitting him.
duncan trussell
Holy shit!
joe rogan
I haven't seen this one.
duncan trussell
They're just beating them.
unidentified
You're hurting him!
duncan trussell
Who the fuck are these people?
unidentified
It's because that's how we let them learn how to fucking treat us.
That's how we train them to fucking stop us.
We pay for them to fucking hurt us.
joe rogan
It's so crazy, this small group of men.
It's like a classic.
They're screaming, stop beating students!
This small group of men has to face this gigantic horde of unarmed people.
And a small group of men, you know, they immediately have to automatically go on the defensive.
You know, look at them.
They have bulletproof vests on and fucking helmets and guns strapped to their side and batons.
You know?
And they also have to wear riot gear with face shields and shit.
I mean, they're coming at you letting you know that they're there to fight.
You know?
I mean, look.
This is what it is.
Look, they're wearing helmets with face shields and shit, man.
duncan trussell
But I like the guy's shirt.
joe rogan
Pink shirt?
duncan trussell
That guy's shirt.
joe rogan
I hate his belt, though.
duncan trussell
That guy's shirt's a baton target.
joe rogan
You're not Conan the Barbarian, dude.
unidentified
Get a real belt.
brian redban
Now, why are they telling them to get off the property, or why are they...
joe rogan
That's a good question.
unidentified
Yeah, what are they doing here?
brian redban
Are they scooping these people off the property, I'm guessing?
joe rogan
I don't know.
They're checking them for lice.
You know, obviously they're telling people to stand back and the people...
Look, you know, if there's a crowd of people, the people at the front are going to get pushed forward, man.
Oh, shit.
Yo, this is dark stuff, man.
duncan trussell
Really dark.
joe rogan
Look at his boot to the neck.
Wow.
duncan trussell
He's a fucking bastard.
joe rogan
He's going shin to neck.
That's shitty control, by the way.
It's not a good way to hold people down.
duncan trussell
Don't teach them.
Don't teach them.
joe rogan
Go shin to neck on a normal person.
They get right up, stupid.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Try tickling first.
You're trying to hurt somebody when you go shin to neck.
Unless someone else is holding them in the back.
That's mean.
They're trying to make them feel pain as they're cuffing them.
unidentified
That's right.
duncan trussell
They throw them down really hard.
They're really rough.
joe rogan
Well, it's not like that.
Did you see him?
unidentified
He didn't need to shove her like that.
duncan trussell
Who are these guys?
What do these guys do after work?
joe rogan
I don't know.
These are cops, man.
duncan trussell
We need to find out specifically who these people are and create special videos with their names and their badge numbers.
There's already occupied people.
But there needs to be a website just dedicated to identifying the police at these protests who are being violent and pressing charges against them and suing them and making it so that it becomes financially dangerous for the individual to act the way that they're acting.
Because if these cops, if we can just get one of them, and I'm not saying get one violently, obviously I'm saying, but if we can just get one legally or financially, if one of these cops can go down like that, then all of them will start being afraid and they won't be so prone to use violence like that.
That should be...
Someone should be taking charge of that.
joe rogan
This is so surreal to me that this is happening right now.
What a sign of the times this is, man.
duncan trussell
It's like watching Alex Jones dream or something.
This is like the shit he was talking about.
joe rogan
Oh, he's right.
duncan trussell
This is what he's been talking about forever.
joe rogan
This is what I always say about Alex Jones.
He's right 70% of the time.
70% of the time he's right.
This is 30% of the crazy stuff that he kind of makes up.
I wouldn't even say makes up.
He just goes a little too deep on certain subjects.
duncan trussell
But these police, I don't know, because, I mean, who knows?
But it's hard for me to believe that they're thinking about the new world order or protecting globalization.
It feels like they're just normal guys who are doing it.
joe rogan
It's a terrible position to be in.
I mean, imagine if you're a cop and all of a sudden they tell you, this is what you have to do.
You have to get the hippies off the lawn.
Sir, there's...
300,000 of them.
What are you going to do?
How are you going to get them off the lawn?
Good luck, man.
What are you supposed to do?
The mayor has ordered you to clear the lawn, so we must clear the lawn.
You can't clear that lawn, man.
If you're a cop, what the fuck are you going to do?
The cops are obviously being sent there to keep these people from protesting or push them off of certain areas or keep them from entering certain places, but at the end of the day, they're stuck.
There's no excuse for what they're doing.
There's no excuse for beating those people.
There's no excuse for prodding those people.
They should absolutely not be cops because they can't handle that if they're doing that.
You don't have to hit someone who's not hitting you, man.
None of those people are hitting back.
It wasn't like they were in danger and they had to protect themselves.
No, they were ragdolling people, man.
duncan trussell
There needs to be a public shaming of those guys.
unidentified
You know how Here's the other part, though.
joe rogan
The Occupy movement, there's a lot of shenanigans going on.
A lot of it is just nuts.
It's not all a bunch of people with valid points that are out there trying to resolve the issues that we currently have.
A lot of it is just crazy assholes.
It's not all activists at these fucking things.
These things are magnets for chaos.
They're magnets for various...
Like, constant patterns of behavior in humanity.
duncan trussell
Also, by now...
joe rogan
Stereotypical patterns of behavior, like hippies, thugs, drug dealers, chaos.
There's homeless people.
There's a lot going on.
I mean, it's a community of people that Have taken to occupying giant chunks.
Dude, they showed Occupy Everywhere.
It was a poster that someone put up online on the message board.
I looked at it and showed all the different places where people are protesting.
Like, what the fuck, man?
That's when it really hit.
There's a photo.
It says Occupy Everywhere.
See if you can find that, dude.
There's Occupy US and Occupy Everywhere.
And the photos are fucking trippy, dude.
When you look at all the different protests, you're like, where?
Whenever has it been like this before?
duncan trussell
Right, that's right.
joe rogan
Never.
It's never been like this before.
This is incredible.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
This is a strange, strange time.
And it snuck up on us.
duncan trussell
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
It was so quick.
All of a sudden, there's protests are everywhere.
And it really makes you take into consideration, like, where's the end point?
duncan trussell
They can't win.
You know that Martin Luther King— Who can't win?
The fucking pigs.
They're not going to win.
joe rogan
You're— Dunk into the time machine, man.
unidentified
Are you talking about the coppers?
joe rogan
The coppers, eh?
duncan trussell
No, the pig.
joe rogan
The pig's man.
duncan trussell
That's the best word.
When you see some fucking fatty with a baton poking a 17-year-old girl, there is no better description for that man than pig.
Oinker.
Piggy.
That's what that guy is.
He's a fucking disgusting fucking pig.
A useless, cowardly human who's been hired by evil people to push down the force of evolution in the universe.
And if you try to stop evolution, you're fucked.
I don't know what's going to happen to that pig or the people like him, but it's not going to be great.
You can't hold it back what's happening.
It won't work.
joe rogan
I think as soon as you turn cops loose on people, cops are used to dealing with the enemy.
They're used to dealing with criminals.
They're used to behaving a certain way because out in their world, they have to behave that way.
If you want to stay alive as a cop, you got to take no bullshit from any fucking perps.
You got to arrest people.
You got to deal with dangerous, violent criminals that don't want to go to jail and know that you want to put them in jail.
It's a fucking high pressure, high stress job.
duncan trussell
Absolutely.
joe rogan
The person to blame is not those cops.
It sounds like they should be to blame, but the person to blame is the person who put those cops in a position where they're going after law-abiding citizens.
That's the problem because then, even though those people technically aren't committing any crimes other than loitering, what are they doing?
Isn't there a right to protest?
I don't know.
Who knows what the latest statutes are?
brian redban
I think it's the property, though.
unidentified
Property, yeah.
brian redban
It's just, you know, they're ruining the lawn.
duncan trussell
You don't need to, but here's the thing.
I just want to say, because it couldn't be, what I said could be misconstrued.
I'm not saying all cops are pennies.
joe rogan
I know you're not.
duncan trussell
I know you're not.
Okay, but I want to be very, very clear on that.
joe rogan
You're talking about those guys that are doing that.
What I'm saying is, Cops are wired to deal with criminals.
I mean, they try to work with people all day, but you got to be on edge, man.
You got to be on edge all the time.
And when some asshole tells these cops, now you have to go and you have to push back these crowds of unhappy, intelligent people who are nonviolent.
And these people have very valid points about the corruption that has eroded our system to an almost unfixable point.
And they're fucking upset because they're in college, and where the fuck is their future?
You cunts have ruined the whole batch!
There's nothing left for us!
We're growing up, and we're coming out, and there's nothing left for us, you fuckheads!
You've ruined the whole thing!
And you're a cop, man, and you are the enemy.
You represent the man.
They treat you hostily.
You treat them hostily.
They don't listen to you.
You treat them like criminals.
That's how you're wired.
You're wired to treat criminals like criminals.
Yeah, all of a sudden, these young kids who have very valid points become criminals.
But it's also because there's a lot of douchebags in those groups.
Those groups are never pure, you know?
duncan trussell
Well, no, and also those groups are...
By the way, the whole fucking problem with the current formation of this protest movement or this revolution right now is that it's so loosely...
It's the problem, and it's what's awesome about it, is that it's modular, and it seems to be broken up in all these groups that have come together into this one thing.
But there is no easier group to infiltrate than a modular group like that.
So by now, the CIA, they must have infiltrated.
unidentified
Of course.
duncan trussell
They've got people there.
They're studying, like, okay, what's the best way to handle this?
How can we implant...
joe rogan
Break this up.
duncan trussell
Break this up or make it turn...
joe rogan
We've got to start CIA guys or fuck guys' girlfriends.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
That sucks.
joe rogan
That would suck!
duncan trussell
The CIA decides to fuck your girlfriend.
joe rogan
Yeah, CIA guys, they're gonna give Miagra and get these chicks high and just fuck the shit out of them.
A lot of these girls, they've never been with a real man.
They're hanging out with all these hippies.
duncan trussell
Oh wait, so you think CIA fuck agents have infiltrated Occupy Wall Street?
joe rogan
Yes, that's what my claim is.
duncan trussell
I'm making that porn movie.
joe rogan
That's the movie, man.
That is the movie.
CIA porn operatives.
CIA dick-slinging experts.
Like, they show up at gangbangs.
Mr. Johnson, come with me.
Your government needs you.
And he's like, I'm in the middle of fucking all these bitches.
And this guy's just banging these bitches left and right.
And that's what they do.
duncan trussell
They send them in.
No, it's a group of them.
And one of the guys, they got to pull out of retirement.
unidentified
They're like, we need you.
duncan trussell
I can't fuck again.
I fucked my soul out in Vietnam.
I'm not going.
We need you.
You've gotta come.
These hippie girls have gotta be fucked.
joe rogan
These hippie girls are not getting good dick, ever.
These guys are eating nothing but granola and hemp seeds and shit, and they smell.
No one's just grabbing these girls and fucking the shit out of them.
And that's what the CIA guys do.
These porno guys, they send them in, they start fucking all these girls, creates turmoil.
duncan trussell
It's a special division.
It's like the A-Team.
The hippie fuckers.
joe rogan
They call themselves the hippie fuckers.
duncan trussell
Yeah, they've been doing...
There's boot camps where they send in...
joe rogan
Could you imagine?
That would work, man.
On a lot of these un-fucking-balanced people, that would work.
duncan trussell
Fuck them into submission?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Send a bunch of guys to just go in there and fuck everyone, man.
We're just going to hire Brad Pitt-looking dudes.
Just have them run through the ranks.
Get in with them.
Get tight with them.
And then just start banging dudes' wives.
That's your job.
And then be real sloppy about it.
To say that you want to be dangerous.
But get caught.
Get caught left and right.
duncan trussell
All the time.
joe rogan
All the time.
duncan trussell
Always you leave a sock.
joe rogan
Everybody gets caught.
Everybody gets caught.
duncan trussell
I leave a Rolex.
You always leave your wife.
joe rogan
You leave loads all over the bed.
You pull out on purpose and shoot your load on a dark cushion.
The guy sits down and he looks at it.
He's like, this is a fucking load.
unidentified
You've been The CIA has infiltrated our tent.
duncan trussell
No, they actually can come in a pattern that indicates they were there.
joe rogan
Like a wax seal?
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's what they do.
They come on you, and then they let it slowly congeal, and then they put a seal on it.
They brand you.
duncan trussell
I gotta use the bathroom.
joe rogan
Go use the bathroom, man.
Don't hold it in.
Jesus Christ.
Do you know where it is?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
In our powerful new Death Squad Studios.
So, Brian, do you know anything about this football case?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Duncan, where are you going, fella?
Over there.
You don't even know where you're going.
Fucking guy.
Gets lost in a room with two doors.
duncan trussell
I know.
unidentified
And he tried that already.
joe rogan
Do you know anything about this football case?
brian redban
No, we talked about it on one of the podcasts earlier, but it seems like one guy was caught up to 40 different people that he's fucked, like in showers and stuff.
joe rogan
And he was an assistant football coach, Sandusky, and apparently he's like a famous guy.
I don't know anything about the world of football, but I've heard the name Joe Paterno.
I've heard the name.
brian redban
And then I guess Ashton Kusher came on Twitter and said something like, I can't believe they fired him or something like that, like he was defending the guy.
And then somebody said that now Ashton gave his Twitter account to...
unidentified
Somebody else to do from now on because it's just too many feedback from what he said.
joe rogan
So someone else is handling his Twitter account because he complained that they fired a guy who covered up a fucking assistant coach who was banging kids.
Let me tell you something, man.
If a guy's banging kids, you kind of know.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
I don't think you don't know.
unidentified
Especially 40 accusations.
joe rogan
This guy's taking kids on the road with him, man.
He took kids on the road with him, put them up in hotels, bought them presents and shit.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You know, and not only that, there was a story that the DA who was investigating the case disappeared in 2005. Yeah.
So, you know, they had to fire him, man.
This could be some crazy cover-up murder shit.
We don't even know what the fuck happened yet.
This guy was like a loved guy.
I mean, this is a huge, huge scandal.
Apparently, you know, I talked to people that were, what is it, Penn State?
Is that what it is?
unidentified
Yeah, Penn State.
joe rogan
The Nittany Lions?
Is that what they call themselves?
I don't even know, man.
I'm sorry.
unidentified
People are like, you don't know shit about football, you fucking pussy!
Yeah, here's the Sandusky.
Here's the missing guy.
The Sandusky guy.
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a missing DA, the district attorney.
He went missing in 2005. They fucking probably iced this guy, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, when you're dealing with a case this big?
Apparently what happened was a grad student went into a shower, went back to retrieve something, and he heard noises in the shower that were like steady rhythmic slapping noises, went in and saw this guy fucking a 10-year-old boy in the ass in the shower.
And they also, investigators have...
Him on the phone with one of the boy's mothers, and the boy's mother asks him if he touched the boy in an inappropriate place, in an inappropriate manner.
And he goes, uh, maybe.
unidentified
Maybe?
joe rogan
He said maybe.
Yeah, I was like, yeah, um, I don't know, uh, maybe.
Maybe I did.
Maybe you did.
When you're that crazy, you're that pedo, they were protecting a pedo, man.
That's all this is.
unidentified
Yeah, because they don't want to ruin the football.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were straight up protecting a pedo.
There's no question about it.
There's no question about it, man.
There's no way you can hide that darkness, man.
That's as dark as it gets.
You're fucking little boys and they're little assholes.
You're gonna hide that?
10-year-old boys.
Not even a man, you know?
It's not like you're tricking men and you're banging poor straight men.
No, no, no.
You're banging little boys.
You're a piece of shit, man.
duncan trussell
You're the worst kind of demon.
joe rogan
Yeah, how does...
How is it possible that that guy can just be interacting with everyone else and they're not going to know?
Then no one's going to weird out.
You're all going on the road together, and now there's Mr. Sandusky with his fucking 10-year-old buddy.
You'd be like, what are you doing with this 10-year-old boy?
Is this your son?
If that was your son, that's one thing.
Well, he's close to his kid.
He likes to take his kid with him when he goes to football games.
Little boy loves football.
Yeah, okay, that's great.
That's a great dad.
But if you're a guy who's just taking some 10-year-old around with you and he's always got new presents and shit...
How does everybody not look at that?
How does everybody not go, what the fuck is going on with this guy?
There has to be some weird interaction between them.
There has to be something that treats you.
There has to be.
When a boy's getting fucked by some old man, you don't just sneak that through.
What's that 10-year-old boy?
I don't know.
He's always near me.
Fucking weird kid.
duncan trussell
No, but there's a, like, you know, in families, people have been molested.
It was like, they would pretend that it wasn't happening.
The family would kind of pretend it wasn't there, but they all know it's kind of there, but nobody wants to deal with it because it's so fucked up.
joe rogan
I know a girl who was molested by her uncle, and her family attacked her and her sister and her cousins, who were all molested by the same guy.
Her family all attacked them and said that they were all lying.
And they're like, whoa.
This guy molested them for years.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
For years, and nobody would believe it.
duncan trussell
That's it.
joe rogan
It's amazing.
brian redban
What if the rest of the family all molested the uncle and that was like their little gimp and they're just trying to cover their gimp?
joe rogan
They're just evil 10 year old demons going after the uncles.
duncan trussell
Have you read that book Lolita?
unidentified
No.
duncan trussell
It's really good.
I used to Google search Lolita a lot.
No, it's what gave birth to that term.
joe rogan
You know what's really bizarre, man?
The arbitrary age of 18 when one becomes legal.
Because there was a thread on the message board recently where some attractive young lass has just become 18. And there was a celebration.
So there's all these photos of this well-endowed little hooker.
I shouldn't call her hooker.
She's probably a nice girl.
Well-endowed little...
When I say hooker, I call my friends hookers.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'll call Duncan a hooker.
I don't mean it in a bad way, just to clarify.
But this well-endowed nice young lady, and they're all talking about fucking the shit out of her.
And I'm like, man, that's dark.
She was just a little baby a couple of weeks ago.
A couple of weeks ago, she was 17. Now she's 18, and you guys all want to shove your rods inside of her.
That's dark, man.
Isn't it?
It's kind of dark.
There's something, but it's fucking totally legal.
One guy was like, I'd like to see her dirty cunt or something.
He was saying some really ruthless shit.
duncan trussell
Dirty cunt?
joe rogan
Yeah.
I'll fuck the shit out of this dirty cunt.
Something along those lines.
And it made me laugh because it was ridiculous because it was so over the top.
But then I thought about it.
I'm like, it's kind of creepy that you can say this about an 18-year-old.
If you say that about a 16-year-old, you're a piece of shit, man.
brian redban
What about states that are even younger, like 15 and stuff?
unidentified
Like, oh, they're 14 before.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you know, I don't think it's uniform all across the country.
I think Nevada, where that fucking dude, that 51-year-old dude got...
duncan trussell
Courtney Stodden?
joe rogan
Yeah, married that girl.
duncan trussell
Sam Tripoli's neighbor, you mean.
joe rogan
Sam Tripoli's neighbor.
unidentified
Shut up!
joe rogan
We didn't even talk about it on Sam Tripoli's show.
We forgot to talk about it.
duncan trussell
Wait, he's neighbors with Courtney Stodden?
unidentified
Yes!
Well, we'll talk about it on tonight's podcast.
joe rogan
Wow.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
Oh, beautiful.
Yeah, we're going to do another podcast tonight, folks.
This is how fucking wild we are.
We're doing a podcast with Duncan.
Where's Duncan?
I can't talk.
We're doing a podcast with Duncan.
And then when we're done with this, we've got a show tonight, a sold-out show at the Ice House in Pasadena, stage two, the intimate venue.
And so we're going to do that afterwards, and we're all going to come back here and do podcasts in between our sets.
So this fucking new room is...
This is awesome.
It's such a sweet setup.
It's at the Ice House.
So we're going to be doing a lot more podcasts from here.
But what were we just talking about?
duncan trussell
We're talking about fucking Courtney Stott.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
She's Tripoli's neighbor, man.
We'll let Tripoli talk about it again tonight.
It's a teaser, ladies and gentlemen.
duncan trussell
We're giving you a teaser.
But in the meantime, before Tripoli comes on...
Immediately follow Courtney Stodden on Twitter.
Then let Tripoli fill in the rest of the puzzle.
joe rogan
Her Twitter's ridiculous.
And she's 16 going on 40. She looks like a 38-year-old lady who's taking care of herself.
duncan trussell
Did you see her on Dr. Drew?
brian redban
Dr. Drew had her on there just to see it because everyone says her boobs are fake.
So they had this doctor come in there and they made this whole episode with trying to figure out if it's...
duncan trussell
Boobs are real.
unidentified
And the doctors had a hard time like, I can't see through this muscle.
duncan trussell
It's ridiculous.
unidentified
I don't know.
They really built it up even more.
duncan trussell
But the whole time they're just feeling her tits.
That is so crazy.
joe rogan
They're feeling 16-year-old tits.
unidentified
Seven Mexican guys.
duncan trussell
Dude, it sucks.
We're such a repressed culture.
We're such a sexually repressed culture that this kind of shit is what we fixate on.
This is what we fixate on.
This is a real thing like, oh yes, bring her in.
Bring in the slut so we can test her breasts.
joe rogan
Well, it's not like they don't like each other.
They obviously enjoy each other's company.
They hang around together.
You're not supposed to be banging a 16-year-old dude.
duncan trussell
No.
unidentified
And check this out.
brian redban
I guess the photographer of a lot of her photos, her sexy photos, like where she's with her boyfriend or her husband or whatever, are actually taken by her mom.
unidentified
Oh, Jesus.
What the fuck, man?
duncan trussell
Give her the scarlet letter!
joe rogan
Did you ever see there was like one of those 2020 type shows and it was all on this porn star whose parents support her work?
What was her name?
unidentified
Yeah.
I'm trying to remember.
brian redban
It's the one that the Bunny Ranch guy used to hang out with.
joe rogan
It's not Sonny, is it?
unidentified
Sonny Leone.
joe rogan
Sonny Leone.
Sonny Leone?
unidentified
Sonny Leone.
joe rogan
Is that it?
No, I don't think that is.
duncan trussell
Isn't it her?
joe rogan
I think that's a different girl.
I think that's a different girl.
duncan trussell
But don't you think it's really fucking weird?
joe rogan
That's a dark-haired girl, I think.
duncan trussell
Don't you think it's really fucking weird?
And I think it's like...
Obviously completely fucked up to fuck people under 18. But in general, don't you think that outside of that, which I think is sociologically super fucked up and it clearly fucks people's lives up and people that do it should be thrown to alligators.
But in general, isn't it strange that for adults, sex, the terms used to describe sex, dirty, naughty, funny, It's like we attach to the act of bringing life into the universe or simulating bringing life into the universe.
We attach to that so many adjectives that are just like, it's disgusting, smut, filth.
That's what, when you look at porn, that's like the words they use to sell porn.
unidentified
The dirtiest, smuttiest, filthiest whore is this side.
duncan trussell
It's like...
It's so strange that...
joe rogan
Well, it's obviously because in order to have an industrial revolution, in order to have the society that we currently enjoy, people have to work.
And if people were just dirty fucking all day, they would complicate shit.
Nothing would ever get done.
We have an ethic, and one of the ethics is you keep your fucking sexuality to yourself all day long.
duncan trussell
It's very weird.
joe rogan
Mr. Herman Cain with your fucking unwanted massages.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's so fucking strange, man.
It's what you were telling me about how you were in Germany and you watched a gangbang on regular TV. They didn't show penetration, but this dude was banging this chick from behind.
joe rogan
Her tits were flopping around.
There was other people behind him.
It was almost like some softcore sort of thing.
duncan trussell
But what you said about Hartman at the strip club, to me, that's like...
joe rogan
How it should be.
It should be joyful.
duncan trussell
It converts...
It's the fact that it's not is an indication of how backwards and repressed we are.
By the way, filthy, dirty things are awesome.
I'm not saying that that doesn't add to the excitement of it, but it seems like in our culture it's so fucking Scarlet Letter, Nathaniel Hawthorne-style humiliation of people who really aren't doing anything that bad.
compared to what other people in the world are doing.
joe rogan
Right.
duncan trussell
You know?
Like, it's a lot worse for, you know, we've probably talked about this.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's because we have the instinct to fuck more than is necessary.
We have the instinct to fuck like we needed to fuck 10,000 years ago when half the babies were eaten by crocodiles.
We have this drive.
As long as the man is alive, as long as the man is breathing healthy and...
Feeling robust.
They want to fuck.
They want to shoot loads into people and create more people.
And it's just the desire to breed.
That's all it is.
The desire to breed manifests itself in a code that runs your body.
And as long as that code runs your body, people are going to want to fuck.
And if that's going to be the case, there's no way you're going to get anything done.
Because people are just going to be trying to fuck each other all day.
Because that's what they want to do.
So you have to figure out a way to suppress them and control them and to calm them down.
unidentified
Pedo bear.
joe rogan
Pedo bear.
Seal of approval.
You know, to calm them down to the point where, you know, things get done.
So you have to tell them it's naughty, it's dirty, stop it!
unidentified
Put it away!
Put it away!
joe rogan
You gotta shame them.
It's the only way.
They feel bad about pulling it out.
Oh, I don't want a fucker, but I can't.
Oh, you go in the bathroom and think about that girl you're working with.
Because you have this massive suppression during the day of your natural instincts and feelings.
You can't even express them.
duncan trussell
Didn't McKenna talk about some primordial world where there were mushroom orgies?
It was like these people having mushrooms.
joe rogan
His utopian view of the past was that there was, at one point in time, society had engaged in almost daily mushroom use.
And that's what had elevated us from the lower hominids.
And that was...
The whole stoned ape theory.
He believes that psychedelic mushrooms and the eating of them was responsible for the doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years.
Huge, huge mystery in the fossil record.
So he had a lot of really nutty theories like that, but they're very interesting to consider, but I don't know.
duncan trussell
Have you ever been in an orgy?
joe rogan
No, no, never been in an orgy.
duncan trussell
Have you ever been in an orgy, Brian?
unidentified
Just two girls.
duncan trussell
I've never been in an orgy.
joe rogan
Hello, Columbus, Ohio.
duncan trussell
I know people who've been to orgies.
I was at a party that...
joe rogan
I know a girl worked at a place where they would have orgies.
She worked as a cocktail waitress at this place where they would go, people would go, and then they would just start fucking.
They would just meet up and go into rooms and fuck.
And everywhere she went, she's like, people were just fucking everywhere you went.
You got there, and they weren't pretty.
They weren't good-looking people, but they were just, all of them, like naked, half-naked.
Some were dressed.
Some didn't participate.
They just watched.
And there was like a club in L.A. People would go and just fuck.
Yeah, it was crazy.
She was like laughing at it.
She's like, it is the weirdest job.
She goes, after a couple hours, I got used to the fact that people were just all around me fucking all the time.
Nobody bothered me.
She's like, that's the one thing that happens, you know, when everyone else is fucking and someone wants to serve you drinks, you barely even concentrate on that person.
You're like, yeah, yeah, here's your money.
Thank you.
Bye.
I want to go fuck somebody who wants to fuck me.
So it was like much safer, actually, than working at a bar where you were looked at.
It's like, oh, look at this girl.
Come with my drink.
Yeah, baby.
What are you going after?
What are you doing later?
Won't you live with me?
You know, those guys didn't even look at her.
Because there's all these people that were fucking in front of them.
Everyone was sucking cock, and everyone, you could bang anybody.
You know?
So there's probably a few contrarians that, like, turn their gaze towards her.
Like, fuck all these people that are banging each other.
What about this girl?
How does she feel about this?
You're always going to have that one...
duncan trussell
The one girl who doesn't want to fuck at the horgy is who you fall in love with.
joe rogan
Well, there's some dudes that are just broken.
There's some dudes that are broken.
They always go for the girl that's going to just be damaged goods and always going to need to be with the person who can't be with them.
duncan trussell
Yeah, it's always the case.
joe rogan
We need the grand distraction.
The grand distraction of relationships.
You know?
Imagine when you were young.
Remember?
When you were young, rather.
Imagine if you felt like that now.
Like when you were young and you'd break up, you really would think like, God, this is the end.
I can never be happy in a relationship ever again.
You used to believe that.
duncan trussell
Yeah, sure.
You know, when you're like 14. How many songs are about that?
There's countless songs that that's the main message is that it's over.
Are the songs like Begging for One More Night?
joe rogan
Yeah.
One more night.
unidentified
Give me just one more night.
It's so sad.
duncan trussell
It's so gross.
joe rogan
Fuck me one more time, please.
It's so beta.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's so basic.
Don't you got a Rolodex, homie?
Don't you got other girls you can call?
This is some Planet of the Apes shit, son.
Let me just give you a little heads up.
You need to go to the gym and do some squats.
Eat some bison meat and get your shit together, son.
Bison meat.
Stop doing that, Brian.
Get some strong game in your system.
Something that's been murdered, that lived a free life.
A wild life.
And then you shoot it with a fucking bow and arrow.
And then you take that thing and cut it up and eat it.
That's what you need to do.
And squats.
And carry logs up hills.
That's what you need to do.
What you don't need to do?
Give me just one more night.
Yeah, that's what girls go wet for.
duncan trussell
Begging.
joe rogan
Girls don't go wet for begging.
Just gotta keep them around.
Be nice to them.
Fuck the shit out of them.
The end.
If they leave, they leave.
You go, hey, you know, I did my best.
I was nice to you.
I fucked the shit out of you.
Obviously, you got issues.
duncan trussell
What about this one?
Remember this one?
unidentified
Met my old lover at the grocery store.
I don't even know what that is.
What the hell is that?
duncan trussell
These songs are burnt into my mind.
joe rogan
Have you ever heard that?
unidentified
No.
Can you imagine if that wasn't even a real song?
joe rogan
But it was like a song that occurs in his dream world.
unidentified
Yeah.
duncan trussell
It's Dan Fogelberg.
joe rogan
Oh, God.
duncan trussell
These are divorce songs.
Dan Fogelberg.
There was a divorce boom.
And during this divorce boom, this specific genre of music came out.
And I know it very well, because that's what my mom would listen to.
She'd come and pick me up at the Y and I would sit in the backseat of her car as she listened to like turn around bright eyes That's a divorce song.
Oh, she would she would get you know It was very like dramatic and those songs are burnt into my mind and one of them was that Dan Fogelberg Oh Oh my god.
joe rogan
Here's my experience with Dan Fogelberg.
When I was growing up, I lived in San Francisco when I was about, from 7 to 11. And we had a next door neighbor, this cool guy named Barry.
And he was my stepdad's buddy.
And we would go over his place and listen to his records.
And they had some badass records.
This was San Francisco in the 70s, man.
He had the Monkees and all this shit.
I just loved the fact that you could put a headphone on and it pushed into the jack and you'd play a record and it was like, you know, it was in your head and I'd be singing along.
They'd have to tell me to shut up, stop singing.
You'd sing terrible.
But I remember thinking like, wow, you know, my parents listened to some cool ass fucking music.
You know, there's some cool music.
Like I listened to some Billy Joel.
You know, I remember listening to Captain Jack when I was like seven years old.
What a Great fucking song this is!
Goddamn!
And then we had a friend and I was over at his house and I asked him if I could listen to his music.
And he said, yeah.
And he had a Dan Fogelberg record.
And I put that shit on and I was like, why does this guy want to depress me like this?
unidentified
Why is this guy singing this?
joe rogan
What is he saying?
You're making me cry, man.
I'm fucking seven years old.
You're bumming me out.
You know?
Or whoever I was when I listened to that.
But I was like, this is just nonsense music.
duncan trussell
Oh, it is.
joe rogan
This poor guy.
Somebody needs to tell him.
But then, you know, the thing is, this is where people get confused.
That one guy, James Taylor, did it right.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's why everybody gets fucked up.
Because he had songs that were like super emotional and everything, but they had such a point of view that they were special.
There was something to the shit that he was singing.
So even though it seemed like it was kind of mushy, but in fact it wasn't.
What it was was just vulnerable and honest, and there's like a strength in that.
duncan trussell
Yeah, totally.
joe rogan
You know?
And so these other motherfuckers with their beta music...
duncan trussell
Whenever you hear in a song, make it through the night, that was something that still confuses me.
What does that mean?
We can make it through the night.
How do you not make it through the night from fucking?
You're not going to die fucking.
What's the worry when people sing making it through the night?
What is it?
unidentified
Making out through the night.
duncan trussell
No, it's always sad when they're singing it, like they're going to war or something.
They don't mean make it, they mean like going through trenches or like not having a nervous breakdown that night or something.
unidentified
Or if they're fighting.
joe rogan
What it is is when you listen to certain songs and you hear people getting all emotional and you don't feel like it's valid.
It's like you're being too much of a pussy in this song.
Like you're being too much of a pussy with your expression.
I could go along with you here.
I could get caught up in the wave and go with you.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
But I don't feel like it's necessary.
I don't feel like it warrants it.
Then you listen to James Taylor and you hear like, Just yesterday morning, they made me know you were gone.
You know that song?
duncan trussell
Yeah, of course.
joe rogan
That's a depressing fucking song.
I've seen fire and I've seen rain.
I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end.
duncan trussell
Or Elliot Smith.
You listen to Elliot Smith, same thing.
He would not like Elliot Smith.
Rogan?
Rogan, I don't think, would like Elliot Smith at all.
joe rogan
Yeah, I listened to some of his stuff.
I wanted to kick him in the balls.
duncan trussell
I fucking love him.
joe rogan
I was like, kid, you need to get out of the house.
Stop playing video games.
I don't know.
I only listened to one song because Duncan told me how great the guy was.
I love him.
There's a lot of shit that I love that I'm sure you don't love.
duncan trussell
Elliot Smith.
joe rogan
Do you ever listen to Kiss alone in your car and sing along?
duncan trussell
Nope.
Black Keys all the way.
I've been listening to a lot of Black Keys.
That's awesome.
joe rogan
They're great.
I went on a period for like four months, but that's all I listened to.
I would go in my car and I got the iPod thing in the car and I would just go right to Black Keys.
unidentified
Yeah.
duncan trussell
You know what I've been listening to lately?
joe rogan
What?
duncan trussell
You'll make fun of me.
Spongle.
You ever listen to Spongle?
joe rogan
Somebody did a Spongle thing where they took their music and they combined it with me talking about DMT. That's cool.
Yeah, it's pretty dope.
duncan trussell
His songs are trippy, man.
One of the songs I was just listening to today, he's good to listen to and write.
I like writing and listening to him.
One of the songs I was hearing today...
The lyrics are like, LSD, DMT. It's like, have you heard that song?
It's really weird.
I mean, I can't even sing it because you have to have like seven synthesizers and a UFO just to make whatever fucking noises are coming out of Spongle.
joe rogan
You have to have a UFO. Yeah, that's like rave music, right?
Is that what you would consider rave music?
duncan trussell
It's kind of like ambient rave music or something.
But yeah, it doesn't have as much of a driving beat.
It's just more like super trippy.
The guy really did capture something and brought it back through music.
He's really good, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's really good.
I've listened to some of that stuff that's not so focused, not so tuned in.
It's really kind of gross.
It can't get gross.
It's like everything else, man.
It's like mushy songs.
It's like what we just talked about, James Taylor.
He's not mushy.
He's genuine.
People get really offended by non-genuine behavior.
There's some huge push to get Nickelback removed from...
What is it, a hockey game?
Is it hockey, the Nickelback thing?
duncan trussell
I can't remember.
unidentified
I think so.
joe rogan
It might be football.
duncan trussell
I saw this thing on Reddit, and maybe I'm not remembering it right, but it said if you ever want to hide files on your computer, create a folder that says Nickelback.
joe rogan
Oh my god, that's hilarious.
I met that dude very briefly, the lead singer guy in a venue once where UFC was going to be there on Saturday and he was there on Friday.
He's a very nice guy.
duncan trussell
As Lions Thanksgiving game protests for Nickelback.
joe rogan
They got some good songs, man.
I'm sorry.
They're slick.
They're overproduced, it seems like.
You know, almost people like them because they're too good a pop song.
You know, and sometimes they're like, you know, it's almost too cliche.
But they're good.
I Wanna Be a Rockstar song?
There's been a million of those.
The Cypress Hill version.
So you wanna be a rockstar?
That's the best one.
I don't even know that song.
duncan trussell
I gotta admit, man, I've got very, very limited...
Yeah, I can't.
joe rogan
The Cypress Hill version is badass.
duncan trussell
I like Cypress Hill.
joe rogan
That's a badass rock star song.
But the Nickelback one is not bad, man.
It's not a bad song.
You've never heard that song, I Wanna Be A Rock Style?
duncan trussell
I hate Nickelback, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Really?
Well, I don't hate Nickelback, okay?
I don't particularly look forward to listening to them, but they've got some good songs.
They're not that offensive.
brian redban
It's like his voice or the style of their music, just like chalk.
joe rogan
It seems like people feel like it's not honest or something.
duncan trussell
I think I've seen a Nickelback video and it was very affected and it was very hard to watch because it was sappy and super cheesy.
I don't have a strong opinion about them.
They also seem like, you know, there's certain bands, like remember when New Kids on the Block came out, and it was like kind of hip to not like New Kids on the Block?
joe rogan
Right, yes.
duncan trussell
It's like they're kind of like that, where it's a mark of, it's like a fashion to not like them or something.
joe rogan
Yeah, they've got some good stripper songs.
duncan trussell
I've never listened to that, I don't know.
I've only listened to that one video.
joe rogan
How could it be worse than some of Foreigner's songs?
I've been waiting for a girl like you.
I've been waiting for a girl like you.
unidentified
I like that song.
joe rogan
It's a good song, but come on, man.
How are any Nickelback songs any less sappy than that?
duncan trussell
I believe that guy.
I don't believe this Nickelback guy.
I think this guy is just like, oh, man.
joe rogan
He's insincere.
So you think it's just packaged, pre-produced?
duncan trussell
Let's go get some Froyo later.
joe rogan
Thought out.
unidentified
Too calculated, is that what it is?
duncan trussell
I think radio killed Nickelback for me.
I blame radio for that.
joe rogan
It's interesting with this subject because we talked about a real band.
I mean, as real and scratchy as you can get, the Black Keys.
They're like scratchy.
They're almost like, even though it's an mp3, you can hear the record.
Those guys are like, that's a band, man.
There's a band playing instruments and singing, and these are some songs they wrote.
And this is the sounds they like.
And if you're drinking whiskey and playing pool, that's the fucking song you want to hear.
You want to hear that shit in the background.
That's real music, man.
And then...
You got, you know, other stuff like Nickelback.
That's like, this is sort of a different thing.
It's like they just got it honed down to like the slickly packaged sort of kind of cliche in its intent, but very well done.
Like you can't criticize any aspects of it.
It's very well done.
The voice is strong and the singing, the guitar is good.
But somehow or another, for some people, they get upset by it.
duncan trussell
Well, some people, it's really weird, man.
Some people just, the rubber ain't touching the road when it comes to what they're making.
They're just, they're purely imitative.
unidentified
Right.
duncan trussell
Some people have like plugged into the fucking magma and they're vomiting out this thing.
They're like, they've become a channel to something and it's undeniable when you hear it.
Even if you don't like it, you can still tell.
This is definitely real.
Most of the time you can still tell.
This is real.
This is something super unique and special.
To me, it's funny when you see imitators.
It's funny because you can't fake it.
It's one thing you can't fucking fake.
It's like what Joey Diaz says.
I don't know if he still says it.
He says it all the time.
Holograms!
You ever heard him say that?
Holograms!
joe rogan
Yeah, he says that about people that are fake.
He's a fucking hologram.
Yeah, it's interesting.
duncan trussell
Yeah, you can't really fake it.
But with some artists, they really plug into it.
Like, that fucking kid I was telling you about.
joe rogan
Yes, the 12-year-old kid.
duncan trussell
Yeah, 9 or 12. I think he's not.
joe rogan
Well, I think he's 12 now.
Yeah, well, I think it's all going through the internet.
Apparently, there was a big piece on him from 2006, and now he's been studying in Europe this whole time.
But yeah, you told me about him, and then after you told me about him, it was all over Twitter, all over my message board.
There was a couple different threads about it.
It's a meme.
duncan trussell
You know about this kid?
You saw this thing with this kid?
unidentified
No.
duncan trussell
He's a super genius kid.
He's a super genius musician.
He's like the greatest musician to come along in 200 years.
Oh, is that movie based off of him?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
This is a new kid.
duncan trussell
A new kid.
joe rogan
Tell him what he does.
This is crazy.
duncan trussell
One of this segment I saw, I'm sure if you YouTube this kid you can find it right away, but he's with his piano teacher and he takes the music and he flips it backwards and upside down and he can play it backwards.
He can play music backwards and upside down.
And she was like, I don't see how anyone can do this.
He's composed like five symphonies and they say that most people don't do that or do that in their lifetime.
joe rogan
Wrap your head around that.
Wrap your head around that kid.
What is that?
What is that?
Is it a mild form of autism?
duncan trussell
It's from the Matrix.
joe rogan
That's not him, Brian.
unidentified
How does he do that?
duncan trussell
Look at the skill involved!
I don't understand.
joe rogan
We're looking at a little boy who's literally not looking at the keyboard.
It's amazing!
He has his back to the piano.
duncan trussell
Listen to the music!
He's a prodigy.
What if we get so dumb that this is what is considered a super genius?
joe rogan
It's a super chimp.
Imagine if you had a chimp that could do that.
Not only can my chimp do this.
duncan trussell
Joe, did you hear a chimp?
joe rogan
Why don't you find that video?
unidentified
That's what I'm trying to do.
joe rogan
What would you think the title would be?
duncan trussell
The problem is I can't remember his name.
So you'd have to look up like 12-year-old super genius musician.
joe rogan
Yeah, and he pretty much says what all super genius guys say is that it just comes to them.
duncan trussell
He says he hears it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
duncan trussell
He just hears it and he writes down what he hears.
That's what it is.
joe rogan
Wow.
How the fuck can he do it backwards?
That's amazing.
That's just showing off the little fuck.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
You know the problem?
I don't think...
I don't know if this is him.
unidentified
What is it?
duncan trussell
That's not him.
That's actually...
joe rogan
No, that's not him, Brian.
Did you put butthole in the search?
Yeah.
unidentified
Hey.
joe rogan
He puts butthole in a search.
duncan trussell
Really?
I don't understand.
It seems like that'd waste time.
joe rogan
Yeah.
That's Brian.
All his Google searches, he adds butthole to it.
duncan trussell
That's definitely not him, Brian.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
Find it.
Find it, Brian.
unidentified
That was listed under an amazing 10-year-old piano prodigy.
joe rogan
12-year-old super genius musician.
unidentified
It's not coming out.
joe rogan
Just composed...
How many...
What did he do?
duncan trussell
Five symphonies?
joe rogan
Right.
12-year-old composed five symphonies.
Put that in Google and you'll find it.
duncan trussell
Someone will tweet to us.
joe rogan
Yeah, they probably already have.
But if you just google 12-year-old composed five symphonies, for sure, you'll find that guy.
You got it?
Yeah.
See?
There he is.
duncan trussell
That's him.
unidentified
That's him.
duncan trussell
Blue Jay.
unidentified
...renowned Juilliard School, who some say is the greatest talent to come along in 200 years.
Whoa.
He's written five golden symphonies.
200 years.
joe rogan
Imagine I'm saying that about you.
unidentified
Listen to this.
duncan trussell
No, I can't.
joe rogan
Twelve.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
What happened?
Just the commercial?
unidentified
There's a composer studying at New York's renowned Juilliard School who some say is the greatest talent to come along in two years.
Sam Zeman is a composer.
He teaches music theory to Jay at Juilliard in New York City where he's been teaching for 17 years.
This is an absolute fact.
This is objective.
This is not a subjective opinion.
Jay could be sitting right here And he could be composing right now.
He could finish a piano sonata before our very eyes in probably 25 minutes.
And it would be a great piece.
How's that possible?
Well, Jay told us he doesn't know where the music comes from, but it comes fully written, playing like an orchestra in his head.
As you hear it playing, can you change it as it goes along?
Can you say to yourself, oh, let's bring the oboes in here, or let's bring the string section here?
No, they seem to come in by themselves if they need to.
It's not something you're trying to do.
Yeah, because it's like the unconscious mind is giving orders at the speed of light.
You know, I mean, so I just hear it as if it were a smooth performance of a work already written, when it isn't.
It's involuntary.
I suppose so, yeah.
Like the beating of the heart.
You don't have to think about it.
It seems all the kids are downloading music these days.
It's just that Jay, with his composing program, is downloading it from his mind.
The program records his notes and plays them back.
That is, when the computer's up and running, Jay composes so rapidly that he often crashes the computer.
It is as if he's looking at a picture of the score.
It's a better computer.
joe rogan
Get him a better computer.
unidentified
It's a prodigy.
Get him a MacBook.
Jay's parents are as surprised as anyone.
Neither is a professional musician.
His father, Robert, is a linguist, a scholar in Slavic language who lost his sight at the age of 36 to retinitis pigmentosa.
His mother, Orna, is an Israeli-born painter.
That's Michael, Jay's eight-year-old brother.
He's not a musical prodigy.
But Robert and Orno remember when they figured out that Jay was.
I think around, uh, two...
Is that one of the Penn State kids?
...when he started writing...
joe rogan
Whoa, look at that!
unidentified
...and actually drawing instruments.
We knew that he was fascinated with it.
Started writing?
Yeah.
At the age of two?
Yes, I'm afraid so.
Look at that!
joe rogan
Did you see what he wrote at two?
unidentified
That's crazy.
He managed to draw a cello and ask for a cello and wrote the word cello.
And I was surprised because neither of us have anything to do with string instruments.
And I didn't expect him to know what it was.
What a cello was?
Right.
You didn't have a cello in the house?
No, we had no cello in the house.
Had he seen a cello?
Nope.
But he knew he wanted one, so his mother brought him to a music store where he was shown a miniature cello.
And he just sat there, he put the cello, and he started playing on it.
And I was like, how do you know how to do this?
By age three, Jay was still drawing cellos, but he had turned them into notes on a scale he was beginning to compose.
Jay's parents watched the notes come faster and faster.
He was writing anytime, anywhere.
By elementary school, his teachers had no idea how to handle a boy whose hero wasn't Batman, but Beethoven.
He hears music in his head all the time.
Jay has been told his hearing is many times more sensitive than an average person's.
The sound of the city has to be shut out manually.
But Jay can't turn off the music in his head.
In fact, he told us he often hears more than one new composition at a time.
Multiple channels is what it's been termed.
Multiple channels.
That my brain is able to Control two or three different musics at the same time.
Whoa!
Along with the channel of everyday life and everything else.
Jay channeled this piece when he was eight.
By the age of ten, Jay was going to Juilliard, among the world's top conservatories of music, on a full scholarship.
If you consider imitation, an actual concrete object...
At age 11, he was studying music theory...
joe rogan
Imagine if that was your kid.
You're like, I'm a fucking idiot.
unidentified
Jay also teaches high school courses at another school, which his parents say he'll complete when he's 14. Complete when he's 14. As written, okay?
Elizabeth Wolff is a well-known concert pianist who works with Jay on his piano technique.
One, two, four, one, two, one more.
Today, Jay brought one of his own works to practice.
Jay, you need this...
No choice, right?
Jay writes things that he can't even play.
Jesus fucking Christ!
His hands can't keep up.
Is it a cannon?
It's a fugue.
Jay wants to perfect his piano playing, although he says he doesn't need the piano or any instrument to compose.
When you first hear this tune start to rise in your head, what happens?
Well, at first I just listen to it, and then I start humming it, and then when walking, I like walking a lot when I'm inspired.
Because then I walk to the beat of the music.
joe rogan
This is so bizarre.
unidentified
For example, if the beat is...
And I start walking.
And often I start conducting as well.
Imagine seeing that walking down the street.
Jay's not a usual 12-year-old, and he knows it.
What happens when Jay gets bored?
When he gets bored, he gets restless, and then he starts improvising.
Last week, he took the Beethoven sonata of the working right now and decided that everything would be kind of interesting upside down and backwards.
So he took the volume and literally did just that.
He can do it for you right now.
And I couldn't even follow, but he actually took the clefs and inverted them.
the trouble became bass, bass became trouble, and did it backwards.
Telling that composers might write five or six symphonies in a lifetime.
Jay's written five at the age of 12. Hi Jay.
Nice to meet you.
You too.
Welcome.
Here, Jay's explaining the storm to conductor Young Ho Pak at the rehearsal.
That's cool, man.
joe rogan
What a strange thing to be fucking awesome at.
Music that's kind of like outdated.
duncan trussell
But he got lucky, man.
He got born into a great family.
joe rogan
What if you get that dude, they should co-opt him and get that dude to make some jamming pop tunes.
duncan trussell
I was thinking.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Listen, dude, this is a dead fucking song.
duncan trussell
Yeah.
joe rogan
Nobody listens to the cello anymore, bro.
duncan trussell
I don't want to hear the cello.
joe rogan
Come on, man.
You want to make some money?
You want to be a rock star?
You want to live like Nickelback?
unidentified
Yeah.
duncan trussell
At least get him a MacBook Pro.
joe rogan
Yeah, the shit is crashing, man.
He's got that whack-ass old laptop.
duncan trussell
He's still running on Mac OS 9. Yeah, that's a shit computer if it can't even run a composing program.
unidentified
Yeah, what was that?
duncan trussell
It's like pushing a button on the keyboard.
joe rogan
It's a goddamn genius.
Fess up.
Come up with the shekels.
duncan trussell
But if that kid had been born in the wrong family, you know where he's drawing notes...
Quit drawing that shit.
What is that?
Gay language?
Get this fucking kid out of here.
joe rogan
What do you think is going on with that kid?
Do you think that's like an Asperger's, an autism thing?
duncan trussell
Seems like it.
Reincarnation, I think.
Especially with those weird markings on his head.
unidentified
He looks like he was shot right above the eyebrow.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Do you think that that happens when a baby's born and it's been reincarnated?
You see like the wounds that killed it?
duncan trussell
People think that.
joe rogan
Do they really?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
I have a mark right on the back of my neck like I was executed.
joe rogan
Whoa.
duncan trussell
By those damn Germans.
Do you have any marks, Joe?
joe rogan
Mark of the Beast.
duncan trussell
I know that, but do you have any reincarnation marks?
unidentified
No.
It's not my asshole.
joe rogan
Duncan, I think we've got to end this because you've got to get out of here.
duncan trussell
It fucking sucks.
I don't want to leave.
I've got to go, though.
joe rogan
Well, where have you got to go?
What are you doing that's more important than us?
duncan trussell
I'm going to dinner with my girlfriend.
joe rogan
Oh, snap, son.
duncan trussell
Out of the garden?
joe rogan
How dare you?
The one fucking day there was no Olive Garden reference, this cunt.
unidentified
No, it's cheap.
joe rogan
Seriously, how many podcasts do you think you've said Olive Garden in?
I know you do.
I know they do.
But when you think about it, like over the year, two years, almost two years we've been doing this podcast, when did you start doing it?
unidentified
I've always said Olive Garden in normal conversation for some reason.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know you have, but in the podcast, somewhere along the line, you made a point of saying it all the time.
duncan trussell
I think it was just recent that I actually made it a point.
brian redban
Before, anytime I wanted to use a generic restaurant name, I would say Olive Garden.
joe rogan
No one I know will keep a joke going longer than this fuck.
duncan trussell
Great.
joe rogan
The bah face?
The bah face.
Brian and I went on the road for fucking years doing clubs, okay?
And Brian would make these cool videos of the clubs and everything.
And one of the things he would do is every time I took a picture with fans, every time, Brian would get in the background and go...
duncan trussell
Yeah, I know.
I've seen him do it.
joe rogan
There's thousands of those pictures.
duncan trussell
And my favorite is when I find it on like a website.
There's girls with corpses.
unidentified
I don't know if you've ever seen that website.
But then you're just looking through it and it's like, oh look, Joe Rogan.
And you see me in the background making a face.
joe rogan
Yeah, dude.
I boffaced a picture of Eddie Bravo and David Lee Roth.
Eddie Bravo is taking a picture of David Lee Roth and I'm in the background.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the bah face.
It easily did that 10,000 times.
That's not an exaggeration.
It sounds ridiculous.
unidentified
I see new ones all the time.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're out there.
The days of MySpace, they were easy to find.
Sometimes I saw them in people's avatars.
brian redban
The guy that's making those cases, those hemp bags, on his website, he has...
joe rogan
Datsura?
duncan trussell
Yeah, he has you on your website.
joe rogan
And you have the Bob Face?
Nice.
duncan trussell
Those bags are cool.
joe rogan
Yeah, those hemp bags are great.
Datsura, what is the website?
duncan trussell
Datsura, I don't know the website.
joe rogan
DSgear.com, I think, something like that.
duncan trussell
Yeah, I think that's it.
joe rogan
But that is them on Twitter, right?
Twitter or DSgear.
It's all hemp bags, and he's a jiu-jitsu student.
Yeah, it's really cool.
Anyway, tonight is sold out.
Sorry.
Tomorrow night is sold out too.
The Ice House is sold out.
And next week, San Jose, that's sold out too.
Sorry, bitches.
unidentified
Stop doing that.
duncan trussell
Can I say a club I'm doing up there?
November 18th, I'm going to be at Club Verde with Neil Hamburger, Tim Heidecker, Mark Proch, and Natasha Leggero.
joe rogan
And that's in San Francisco.
duncan trussell
That's in San Francisco.
joe rogan
What's it called again?
duncan trussell
It's Club Verde.
You can go to verdeclub.net and get all the info.
It's going to be a good show.
joe rogan
Dude, that's a great show.
San Francisco's awesome.
One of the fucking best places.
Even though I'm going to be in San Jose next week, not San Francisco, still.
I'm psyched.
Northern California's awesome.
duncan trussell
There's still more Asians there than any place else.
joe rogan
There is.
It's real weird.
San Francisco's real strange.
It's weird how many Asians there are.
We went to the San Francisco Museum once and they kind of explained it all.
duncan trussell
Oh, really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
Yeah.
duncan trussell
That's where Hello Kitty is bred.
joe rogan
No.
No, that's not where Hello Kitty is bred.
duncan trussell
Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
He can't help it.
He can't help it.
Look at him.
How can you be mad at him and you're not mad at a dog?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
So we will see you guys tonight at the Ice House.
We're going to come back.
We're going to do another podcast with everybody that's here tonight, including Joey Diaz.
Is Al coming on?
Al Magical?
brian redban
Al might stop by, but Felicia Michaels, Joey Diaz, Christina Pazinski.
joe rogan
Yeah.
So it should be a lot of fun.
And we're set up for five microphones here?
Four or five?
unidentified
Four.
And there's the Joey Diaz couch over there.
joe rogan
Yeah, where this place is set up.
This new studio is the fucking bomb diggity.
So we're going to do a lot of these here.
And that's it, my friends.
Thank you very much to The Fleshlight.
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New Mood is a 5-HTP supplement.
It's 5-HTP and a bunch of other stuff, including L-tryptophan, which I believe converts to 5-HTP, which eventually converts to serotonin, and the idea is that it's like a time-release sort of effect.
I've been digging that, too.
I've been trying that.
I like 5-HTP. Something Neil Brennan told me about.
You ever try it?
duncan trussell
Yeah, I did.
I took it once.
It makes you feel good.
Yeah, it's nice.
joe rogan
It makes you feel good.
I feel kind of nice.
Yeah.
It makes you feel like...
He said it actually makes him more creative.
duncan trussell
Sam E. It's in the stuff called Sam E, right?
I think that's where I took it.
Anyway, whatever.
joe rogan
Anyway, AlphaBrain.
If you go to JoeRogan.net, click on the link for AlphaBrain, enter in the code name Rogan, and you will get 10% off that.
And try that new mood shit as well.
And...
That is it, ladies and gentlemen.
We will be back next week.
We got a bunch of different crazy motherfuckers coming in next week.
No one's tied down yet, but there's some interesting ones, really interesting ones.
So, that's it.
And...
Joey Diaz and Eddie Bravo and I are talking about doing regular MMA podcasts.
And we might as well do them here because there's more room and Joey can scream and shout.
But the idea is people keep saying, like, why don't you guys talk about MMA? Why don't you talk about MMA? Because a lot of times it's just me talking, you know?
It's like, you know, if it's with you guys, I'm talking MMA with you guys.
I mean, Duncan, you saw the fights in England, but...
You know, I mean, how much do you want to talk about it?
Oh, that one guy kicked that one guy.
That was awesome.
duncan trussell
I wouldn't mind talking about some of the musical choices people come in on.
Well, that's another podcast.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's a cool video of Chris Lieben coming out to that Mad Bad World song.
And the audience is singing along to it.
It's really cool, man.
And I didn't realize it was happening while I was doing the commentary because we're talking and the music's playing really loud.
We can't see it.
But this video is pretty dope.
It's like Chris Lieben's coming out, you know, and everyone's singing along to it.
And it's really kind of chilling.
It's really kind of catchy.
Anyway, thank you, everybody, for everything you do.
Thanks for being a part of this.
Without you guys, we wouldn't be doing this.
Thank you for all the cool Twitter messages, all the cool message board posts, everything.
As much as this serves you guys, it serves us as well.
This is the most fun shit we get to do.
And the fact that you guys all dig it makes it much, much better.
We appreciate the fuck out of it, and we're committed to keeping this podcast free.
So free to you, always.
Thank you very much for everybody, and we'll see you bitches soon.
duncan trussell
Bye.
joe rogan
And we know you love you.
We love you.
duncan trussell
We know we love you.
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