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Oct. 19, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #148 - Kevin Pereira
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joe rogan
Are we live?
The Joe Rogan Experience podcast is brought to you by a bunch of different shit.
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Let's give it up for marijuana, folks, because without marijuana...
kevin pereira
There would be no Occupy movement.
joe rogan
I'd still be doing a comedian, but I'd be still doing comedy, but it would be different.
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Did I give you one of those?
kevin pereira
Yeah, you did.
joe rogan
I got extra ones.
Did you use it?
kevin pereira
Twice.
joe rogan
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Alright, use it.
Use it.
Abuse it.
And Kevin Pereira's here and he's going to stick one up his ass, he says, for easy absorption.
unidentified
Brian, what have you done?
Yeah.
joe rogan
Brian is...
Ear-shattering motherfucker.
kevin pereira
Is there a volume slider on these bad boys?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
When I'm an old man on a mountain somewhere and my ears are ringing, I'm going to be like, fucking Brian.
kevin pereira
Got in there.
joe rogan
He got me the fuck.
He wore it all out.
Beat my eardrums in.
There's a few guys that come over the house and we have to just keep saying, don't talk, don't talk.
Okay, nobody talk, nobody talk.
Because, you know...
Once Kevin gets over here, the moment he arrived, I met him in my driveway, and immediately we start talking about how Siri is fucking Skynet.
I mean, it's like right out of the gate.
I'm like, shit, man.
We haven't even got into it yet.
We haven't even started talking.
kevin pereira
Well, I offered you...
I gave you the opportunity to wipe your workout stink all over myself, and...
Joe actually went for it.
It was pretty fucking gross.
unidentified
Was he sweating?
kevin pereira
He put me in a scissor lock in his driveway and was like, dude, absorb my essence.
joe rogan
I'm used to jujitsu, man.
I'm used to dudes sweating on me.
But I came out all sweaty because I was hitting the bag.
And I was like, I'll give you a hug.
But he goes, no, come on, man.
I go, all right.
And then he panicked.
kevin pereira
Oh, I ran.
I ran for the hills.
joe rogan
No one, none of this.
brian redban
The first time I moved out here, the first time I went over to Joe's house, he was working out with his friend Eddie, and he answered the door.
And this is when he was like insane.
Well, you're probably more now, but you were insanely ripped.
And Eddie and you both came to the door sweaty as hell and did the same thing.
Gave the man hug.
joe rogan
Those are totally different weightlifting days.
I had more bodybuilding muscle back then, but I wasn't as strong.
It's weird.
kevin pereira
Your description sounded like a little bit of slash fiction there for a second.
joe rogan
Slash fiction?
kevin pereira
Yeah, like, you know, he writes the story.
Oh, yeah, Joe came out of the garage and the sun was glistening off his hips.
brian redban
His nipples were protruding out of his ass.
That made no sense.
kevin pereira
You've dipped into slash.
joe rogan
That's called slash fiction?
kevin pereira
Yeah, it's a whole, like, subset of fiction.
People who write, like, sexual fiction about, like, celebrities.
Star Trek really kicked it off.
unidentified
Really?
Yeah.
Betty White.
What?
joe rogan
How do I not know about this?
So what you're saying is that there's a whole genre of, like, fiction pornography about famous people.
kevin pereira
Yeah, or, like, it's fantasy porn.
Yeah, I mean, there's probably Care Bears slash fiction out there.
joe rogan
Oh, I'm sure there is, right?
kevin pereira
I probably wrote some of it.
joe rogan
How fucking weird are people, man?
That they have, like, sexuality intertwined into their hobbies and their fetishes and their weird TV shows that they're into.
unidentified
Yeah.
kevin pereira
This podcast brought to you by Fleshlight.
How is it to have sexuality intertwined into everything?
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's just something to jerk off into.
I mean, everybody jerks off, and all the Fleshlight is is a technological improvement on jerking off.
kevin pereira
So what if I need slash fiction about, like, what if I need a good story about the brawny towel guy fucking the Jolly Green Giant?
What if I need that to get off?
joe rogan
But there's people that are into that kind of shit, right?
Now that you brought this up...
kevin pereira
It could be pretty hot.
joe rogan
I remember somebody else having a conversation with me about this, and they were talking about how there's a website where people are into different cartoon characters.
brian redban
First porn I ever bought was a Playboy Jessica Rabbit issue.
joe rogan
Wait a minute, now that I'm realizing, now I'm thinking back again, now it was like, there was like all this porn that used to be online where it was like the Flintstones fucking.
kevin pereira
Yeah, that still exists.
joe rogan
It was like really hardcore.
Hardcore, and it was weird because it was kind of like hot.
You know, Fred was fucking banging Barney Rowell's wife, what was her name?
kevin pereira
Was it Betty?
joe rogan
Betty Rubble.
kevin pereira
Betty Rubble?
joe rogan
Fred was banging Betty Rubble.
brian redban
I used to see Max and Ruby, Joe.
It's awesome on there.
joe rogan
Max and Ruby?
brian redban
They have sexual Max and Ruby?
joe rogan
Dora the Explorer?
Do they really?
kevin pereira
I saw a Simpsons takeover ad once that popped up and it was like, Maggie had a penis, the baby had a penis, the female baby, and was like fucking Marge's mouth with it.
And I was like, hold on.
There are hot singles in my area that want to chat with me.
I got to attend to them first.
brian redban
Does anything ever shock you anymore?
Like anything at all?
unidentified
No!
brian redban
Like any videos or nothing?
kevin pereira
I'm pretty desensitized, man.
joe rogan
Didn't you just say before we started, though, there was one?
kevin pereira
There is one.
You've got to understand, I've seen soldiers get heads cut off at eight or nine years old when I was on bulletin boards.
joe rogan
You were on Style Project back in the day, as I was.
This is before Style.
Style was like the first.
brian redban
Style is how I know you.
joe rogan
Yeah, I talked to that guy online still.
He sent me a Facebook message.
brian redban
He's still alive?
joe rogan
Yeah, supposedly.
It might not be the real style.
Who knows?
kevin pereira
Style's more of a movement.
He's not a person.
brian redban
He's anonymous now, I thought.
joe rogan
I talked to him on the phone once.
We were on a radio show.
I was on the phone and he was on the radio show.
kevin pereira
What was he like?
joe rogan
He was like an internet radio show.
He's a good guy.
He's just a kid.
I don't know him well.
I don't know his thing.
But boy, did he have a crazy fucked up sight.
brian redban
You should get him on a show, or you should get him on a show.
Oh, totally get him on a show.
That's something that's never been done on, like, no one's ever really seen style.
joe rogan
Yeah, I would have to know if there was a real style, though.
How the hell would you know?
brian redban
By his kiss.
kevin pereira
A guy who has a blog like that, you probably know pretty quick.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
There's a lot of guys that would be fake styles that I think would look just as good.
Oh, absolutely.
brian redban
Just have him log in the style project.
kevin pereira
So chat with a guy who's trolling as style.
Why not?
joe rogan
He's one of the guys that really, the first guy to promote my website, though, on the internet.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
He made a blog post about my comedy being really funny and my website being really cool.
And then also these people started coming over to my message board and then it started taking off.
That's one of the reasons why at the beginning my website was so sick too, I'm sure.
My message board has always been so twisted.
brian redban
It was stylish.
joe rogan
The style infection from the beginning.
brian redban
Have you been to Rotten.com recently?
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
They need to hire a web designer.
It's the exact same website as it was since the beginning of the internet.
joe rogan
I don't think they need to.
kevin pereira
You want the Web 2.0 version of dudes shitting in people's mouths?
unidentified
Yes.
brian redban
Like that's what you want?
kevin pereira
Does Rotten really need its own app?
joe rogan
What exactly is Web 2.0?
kevin pereira
It's got to have rounded corners and glossy buttons and reflections.
brian redban
Shadows.
unidentified
What is it?
kevin pereira
It was a concept for a set of standards for how the web should work at the time.
So it was like, you know, Web 2.0, things should be cloud-based, stored in the server.
There should be endless scrolls on pages.
There's all these things that happen with iterations of the web, you know?
joe rogan
I just saw it, the first time I saw it was years ago on some guy's website who makes websites.
His websites were kind of whack.
I had this thing about web 2.0.
It was like using all the right terms and everything, but his work was whack.
kevin pereira
Synergize the web with a content management system from the future.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a weird thing when anything becomes popular.
You know, there's people who are like real, for real geeks, and then there's people who see geekdom as an opportunity to sort of make some money, and they pretend to be geeks.
You know what I mean?
kevin pereira
I've never experienced that in my life.
joe rogan
You've never experienced fake geeks?
kevin pereira
Not once.
joe rogan
Really?
What are you smiling like that for?
kevin pereira
I'm just saying, it's a pleasure to not experience...
I see it every day.
joe rogan
Oh, of course you do.
kevin pereira
I see it every fucking day.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're kidding, right?
Every day you see fake geeks.
kevin pereira
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is it annoying to you, being a real geek?
unidentified
Yeah.
kevin pereira
Someone out there thinks I'm as fake as they come as well.
It's all relative.
joe rogan
I'm a geek as well.
When I say this, I'm not saying I'm a mean person calling someone a geek.
I'm an undereducated geek.
I wouldn't say I'm a fake geek.
I just don't know how anything works.
I'm into it all, but I don't know how it works.
brian redban
You put.net instead of.tv, by the way, on your link, so everyone's freaking out on Twitter.
joe rogan
Did I really?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Sorry, folks.
Here, I'll retweet that shit.
kevin pereira
Are we live?
brian redban
Yeah.
kevin pereira
This is super live.
brian redban
What was the video?
Did you ever say what the video was that you...
kevin pereira
Do we want to get into that?
brian redban
Is this too gross?
kevin pereira
I mean, it's dark.
It was fucking dark.
I mean, I don't know.
For whatever reason, it rocked me.
There was a Reddit post on...
People that are making knockoff UGG boots in China.
And they said that there's these entire factories where they're just cutting up dogs while they're alive.
Just skinning dogs alive.
And taking that fur and processing it up and serving it out there as an UGG boot.
And I'm like, dude, you know what?
I used to click on this stuff and I used to...
brian redban
I can't do that anymore.
kevin pereira
I used to pride myself on separating...
These are just pixels on a screen.
These are ones and zeros.
This isn't real.
There's no emotion here.
There's no...
I was so desensitized from those early days.
And I was like, oh, fuck it, let's see this video, let's see what this world really is.
And it just shattered me, it ruined my whole fucking day.
It's ruined my week, it's still in my head, which, you know what, good, 'cause at least now I'm talking about it.
It was a graphic terrible thing, but I didn't know they'd do that.
unidentified
I didn't know they'd skinned fucking dogs alive to make knock off Ugg boots. - I've seen that video.
joe rogan
It's very hard to watch.
kevin pereira
It's hard, right?
joe rogan
It's very hard to watch any of those skinning videos.
Those are horrific because they show the bodies and they're still alive.
They don't even bother killing them.
They don't kill them first.
They skin them while they're still breathing and they feel everything.
They're so insensitive.
It doesn't bother them even in the slightest.
There's like levels of humanity people dip down to that's very disturbing.
Like I'm sure you've seen the dolphin decks in Japan where they have dolphins laid on a deck, 50, 60 dolphins, and they just slice their throats.
They pull them out of the water and they slice their throats.
And it is horrific to watch.
kevin pereira
I'm sorry, I have to play devil's advocate.
How else are they supposed to do their scientific research?
unidentified
Bullets.
joe rogan
Oh, I get it.
kevin pereira
It's fucking terrible.
joe rogan
It's disgusting.
How much is a bullet, man?
You can't shoot him in the head.
If you're going to kill him, you can't shoot him in the head.
You've got to do it that way.
And I'm not saying you should kill him.
I'm not for killing him.
But how horrific is it that the way they choose to do it is to bleed them out?
kevin pereira
But you're asking for an ounce of humanity and some of the most inhumane acts of life.
And that's like...
That's okay to ask for.
It's okay to ask for.
joe rogan
It's really disturbing, right?
But what is it that allows some folks to go to a place?
Is it necessity?
I mean, what the fuck is it that allows people to not give even one shit about a dolphin or a dog that they make boots out of or anybody?
kevin pereira
Because they don't see the dolphin or the dog.
They see their survival and their family's survival.
That's all they see.
joe rogan
It's a necessity thing?
kevin pereira
It's got to be a necessity thing.
joe rogan
It must be, right?
kevin pereira
I mean, if you had a choice, Of doing a podcast every day or slitting dolphins' throats, you would do a podcast every day.
This person doesn't have that choice, or at least they don't feel like they have that choice.
I would imagine.
If they had that...
If some dudes out there was like, oh, dude, sweet, I get to skin a fucking greyhound today, can't wait, and I'm gonna punch some rabbits in the face before I get home.
If someone's really thinking that...
I don't want to wrap my head around that.
joe rogan
Of course they are.
There's dark people, no doubt about it.
kevin pereira
I know that there are people that do that, but systematically, for hundreds of thousands of workers to do that, I don't want to believe that that's their attitude.
joe rogan
I've watched videos of people beating cows when they work in the slaughterhouse, and they're hitting cows with hammers and shit.
kevin pereira
Well, that just makes them tastier.
That's pre-tenderization, Joe.
brian redban
I went to the City Pound today, and have you ever been to a City Pound, like a Kill Pound?
joe rogan
I've taken dogs from Pounds.
My dog Squeaky, remember Squeaky?
Yeah.
brian redban
I don't understand how any of these dogs ever get taken, though.
Like, all the dogs the other day all look fucking dirty.
Beat up, just nasty.
All of them were barking.
It was like the most saddest, depressing thing ever.
And then I watched somebody give up their dog.
This girl, about 24, came in with a pit.
And she goes, I need to surrender this dog.
And they were like, it's $25.
And she goes, all right.
And she gives him $25.
And then she gives the leash to the woman.
And the dog didn't want to leave the girl's side.
And so the woman had to pull and drag the dog through.
And the woman just seemed unfazed by it, though.
joe rogan
Which woman?
brian redban
The woman that was giving up the dog?
And I'm just like, how do you...
If I have a dog that I need to get rid of, even for whatever reason, it's never going to be that, I don't think.
It's going to be find a friend first, find something first, but...
joe rogan
The dog was probably nuts.
Hopefully it's that issue.
It's not that she didn't have the space for it or the time for it.
Because when people do that and they bring a dog to a pound, you're just asking someone else to kill the thing.
You're just asking.
You're just like, take it out of my hand.
Take it out of my head.
I don't want it in my head anymore.
You put it in your head now.
Now you deal with it.
kevin pereira
Some people are like that and I think some people are just really irresponsible and inconsiderate.
It's like, well, I'll get this thing for two minutes and then, okay, I'm done with this play thing.
brian redban
I was really surprised though that they didn't clean up the dogs because my friend works at the shelter and the place they did, they take dogs that are about to die, like to be put to sleep and they rescue those dogs.
Then they clean them up and repackage them, you know, and then like, you know, refurbish them.
Or whatever.
And then these dogs, amazing looking.
You walk in, you want every single dog.
And these are all dogs about to die.
You would think this city pound would hire four kids in high school to clean up these dogs.
joe rogan
There's no money.
There's no money for anything, those poor people.
That's a dark road.
Especially today, when you deal with all the fucking economic hardships that are hitting people.
And then you ask people to care about dogs.
Good luck.
brian redban
They had roosters there, though.
Snakes.
They had bunnies.
They had tons of bunnies.
And chickens.
It was crazy.
kevin pereira
That's the new thing to have, I think, is a rooster.
No joke.
Seriously, for a lot of people.
That was a hipster thing for a minute there.
brian redban
Are you serious?
kevin pereira
Yeah, dead serious.
joe rogan
Can you turn my microphone down?
Or my headset down?
kevin pereira
Same here, please.
joe rogan
It's really loud, man.
I went to my old gardener who used to fight roosters.
kevin pereira
Actually cockfight them?
Like strap razor blades on their feet?
joe rogan
Yeah, the whole deal.
A little louder.
That's good.
He used to raise them and fight them.
He took me to Where his friend has this whole setup where they have hundreds of these different roosters in these cages and shit.
kevin pereira
What's the setup?
Is this like underground?
No.
joe rogan
He had a lot of space.
It's really weird, man, because it's not that far from here.
You drive maybe 20 minutes, and you're in Mexico, bro.
I mean, you're really in Mexico.
kevin pereira
Oh, I thought you saw this here.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
I mean, it is here.
It's close.
I'm saying it's in Mexico because everything's in Spanish.
The entire neighborhood, they've just completely turned this one neighborhood, I don't want to say where it is, into essentially like a branch of Mexico.
It's nuts.
Everything is in Spanish.
Every sign at every store was in Spanish.
kevin pereira
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was amazing.
I was like, this is kind of cool that they've been able to do this.
It's kind of weird.
I'm like, come on, man, you're in America.
Just learn the fucking language.
It's not that hard.
If I know it, and I know a lot of idiots that know English, you can do it.
Just get a goddamn Rosetta Stone, figure your shit out.
But to them, I guess they want to be around their people, and there's nothing wrong with that, man.
This guy was cool as fuck, this Gardner.
kevin pereira
Did you actually go watch one?
joe rogan
No, I didn't watch the actual fight itself, but I went and watched them fuck around.
I want to watch them train with each other.
They train them.
They have them go at each other with no spurs on, and they decide when to pull them off.
They do a bunch of shit to them.
They feed them certain food to make sure they're strong, high protein.
It's crazy.
Yeah, they have championship lines of roosters.
You want to buy roosters and breed them with championship bloodlines, because you want a really aggressive, badass rooster that really knows how to get Is there a fantasy league for cockfighting?
That's funny.
kevin pereira
Because that needs to be built.
That needs to be put together.
joe rogan
Gambling.
A lot of gambling.
kevin pereira
That's what I mean.
unidentified
Farmville too.
kevin pereira
You know, bring it in.
Bring it into Vegas.
joe rogan
You've got to be there live.
kevin pereira
Legitimize it.
joe rogan
Well, I think it's legit in a couple of states.
I think it's legal in a couple of states.
unidentified
Is it?
kevin pereira
I thought that was illegal everywhere.
joe rogan
Really?
kevin pereira
I would imagine something like that.
To me, it's like dogfighting.
brian redban
How would that...
joe rogan
No, no.
No, no, no.
It's not dogfighting.
Dogs are awesome.
Chickens can suck my dick.
I never care about chickens.
kevin pereira
There's some dude at home, though, right in the middle of his roost, that feels the same way about dogs.
joe rogan
They're cold-hearted dinosaurs.
Okay, cockfighting is now illegal in all 50 states.
And in Washington, D.C. Hey, we accomplished something.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Wow.
I think it was legal pretty recently, though.
brian redban
It's not illegal in West Hollywood.
joe rogan
Shut up, Brian.
Trying to be gay and funny, you silly goose.
kevin pereira
He is apparently...
What was the gay Jim Carrey thing that you were watching?
brian redban
Oh, that movie that we talked about.
Did you ever watch that?
joe rogan
No, I didn't.
kevin pereira
No, but he said the reason he watched it was that, well, it was on, but the remote was so far away that I was just like, ah.
I'm like, that's your excuse for watching gay porn?
Like, you just wanted to watch Two Dudes Fuck.
brian redban
Well, it doesn't start off like that.
joe rogan
I'm sorry, here's the information.
Louisiana was the last state, and it was 2007, so that's pretty goddamn recently.
kevin pereira
Band took effect in 2008. Someone's still fighting to repeal that there, you know it.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, it's fascinating.
brian redban
Mostly rappers.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I know that Roy Jones Jr. is a huge proponent of the cockfighting.
You know, he used to fly in private jets with roosters.
He was flying, like he was the fucking middleweight champion of the world, you know?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Flying around in a goddamn private jet, and he would bring, like, ten roosters with him in cages.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was nuts, man.
kevin pereira
And he would fight them himself?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wow.
kevin pereira
And there's no backlash for that for him, or no?
joe rogan
Well, it's not the same, man.
You know, like the backlash from Michael Vick, look, there's a big difference.
You tell someone that someone fights dogs and you go, whoa, man, that's kind of fucked up.
And then you heard the other shit that Vick did where he would electrocute the dogs or drown them or shoot them in the head.
He murdered them.
He murdered a bunch of dogs.
And that takes a certain personality that we don't like.
kevin pereira
Yeah, that's the personality we were just talking about.
The one that got to my core.
joe rogan
Even worse, because this is a multi-millionaire.
This isn't a guy who's in any state of necessity.
This isn't cruelty because he's in a bad position and he needs to do this because he's got to put food on the table.
No, this is a guy who's getting off on killing animals for sure.
And we just kind of have accepted him back into the fold because he's really good at football.
And I know people say, well, you know, he did his time.
Yeah, I guess he did do his time.
But there's a certain amount of what he did that's so horrific That it just makes you really hesitant to ever forgive someone for that kind of behavior.
You know, I forgive someone for fucking up.
I forgive someone for saying things.
I forgive someone for racism.
I forgive someone for poor mental choices.
But when you kill a hundred dogs, man, and you electrocute them and shoot them and stab them and do all that shit that he supposedly did, I don't like you.
I don't think I'll ever like you.
I don't think I can like you.
I think you're capable of doing some shit that I would never imagine And how far back have you bounced from that?
180 degrees?
Are you a perfect person now?
kevin pereira
Right.
joe rogan
Are you just less creepy because you know the cameras are on you and you don't want to go back to jail for killing dogs?
Fuck you, man.
kevin pereira
Do you think there's an expectation, though, that people have an expectation?
Like, well, okay, he did his time, so you should forgive him.
joe rogan
Yeah, I mean, I guess you should, yeah.
kevin pereira
Because I don't have that expectation.
joe rogan
I would like to believe.
I would like to believe that people can fully learn.
But man, I like dogs and that drove me crazy.
And I like pit bulls.
And you know what?
Pit bulls like to fight, man.
That is a fact.
They like it.
I've had to break my dogs up many times when I have pit bulls.
And it's scary.
Especially they don't want to let go and they're wagging their tails.
They're both wagging their tails and they're locked onto each other's faces.
You know, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
But that's what they do, man.
It's their thousands of years of genetic breeding.
And you know what?
It's just coming from a person who's deeply involved in human fighting.
So for me, like, dog fighting is, what is it, less brutal than what I fucking watch every weekend?
Is it less brutal than Alistair Overeem kicking you in the fucking head with his shin?
I think a dog biting you might be a little less brutal than that.
It might be less brutal than having Cain Velasquez punch a fucking hole through your face like he did to Brock Lesnar.
You know what I mean?
Shit.
kevin pereira
Yeah, but those guys are in there because they want to be there.
They're making the conscious decision to be there.
joe rogan
Guess what?
The dogs want to do it too.
They want to bite through the fucking fence.
kevin pereira
Some do.
brian redban
Yeah, but they're also killing each other and there's no referee.
unidentified
They're really scary.
brian redban
They don't want to stop it.
joe rogan
Well, yes, they are.
That's not true.
No, no, no, that's not true.
That's not true.
The dogs, they break the dogs and then they bring them back together again and if the dog shies away, they stop it.
That's incorrect.
kevin pereira
But where is the electrocution and the drowning that you brought up?
joe rogan
That's all dogs that are not game.
This is, the idea is you never breed a dog that is human aggressive.
You never breed a dog that quits.
You never breed a dog that is scared of another dog, a dog that backs away.
The thing that they've done with pit bulls is they've taken this animal and they've engineered it into a super fighter.
And there's no other dog that comes close to a pit bull when it comes to dog fighting.
There's no other dog.
And this isn't, you know, I'm not bragging about this.
This isn't like fanboy talk.
This is just what they've done.
They've taken this animal.
They've made it something very unusual.
What they've done is they've made an animal that's absolutely unafraid to die.
Absolutely unafraid of pain.
Absolutely unafraid of conflict and impact.
They go right after other dogs.
There's no hesitation.
A lot of dogs, they growl.
They try to figure out who's going to be the boss.
They'll piss on the fence.
They might even be able to avoid a fight altogether.
There's no avoiding a fight with Pitbull.
None.
Zero.
If it's a Pitbull and he's out of his cage and he's a male and he has his balls and there's another dog that's a male and has his balls and that dog does anything even remotely resembling something that challenges the Pitbull's dominance, there's a fight.
He's been bred for Yeah, unless you're just a bad motherfucker, Cesar Millan guy, and you've done a really good job of breeding your dog, or you've got a particular docile version of the breed where many, many, many generations of breeders have bred the gameness out of pits.
When I'm talking about game pit bulls, most people, what you see when you see a pit bull, you see this 90-pound muscular, big-headed...
That's not a game pit bull.
A game pit bull is about 35 pounds.
They're very small.
And they look almost like a beagle, man.
Not really, but they don't look like the dogs that we are used to seeing.
They look like these little sinewy, little springy, athletic dogs.
The idea was you had to get a small dog because you had to be able to physically separate them when they're going at it.
If you've got two 90-pound pit bulls going at it, first of all, they don't last.
They gas out really quick, just like heavyweight fighters.
And they gas out really quick, and you can't separate them.
They're too fucking strong.
It's too dangerous, too.
Two 35-pounders, you just get right in there and pick them up.
25-pounder, 28-pounder.
So they have weight classes, and they put dogs on treadmills and shit.
kevin pereira
So I get that they treat it like a sport.
I get that they treat it like anybody else would treat something professional, but does that make it okay to be breeding the dogs for that?
joe rogan
No, it certainly doesn't.
I mean, I don't support it in any way.
kevin pereira
No, no, and I wasn't applying that you do, but I mean, like, that's...
joe rogan
See, I'm a hypocrite, though, because like I said, I support human fighting.
unidentified
You just said it's less violent than UFC. No, it's not really.
joe rogan
I mean, the dogs get fucking bit by pit bulls.
I'm kind of kidding, and I'm kind of exaggerating, but I did say it, but what I meant was, I mean, I am around voluntary human violence amongst the most intelligent species on the planet on a regular basis, and for sure, I know those guys enjoy it.
And I think the dogs enjoy it too.
I don't think they should do it.
I hated watching dogs fight.
When I'd come home and dogs would get angry and sometimes it would be a fight over attention.
You come home and they decide one person wants to get pet and then the other dog wants to get pet and they'll fucking growl at each other.
And it's really annoying.
And it's one of the things that happens when you have a bunch of dogs.
But my point about pit bulls is not that there's anything good about what they do.
kevin pereira
No, you're just saying this is what they do.
joe rogan
This is what they do.
kevin pereira
But I think a dog could be bred to love being pet just as much as it loves aggression, no matter how aggressive the dog is.
joe rogan
Of course, over many generations.
Well, my dog now is what's called a Regency Mastiff.
And what a Regency Mastiff is is a Neapolitan Mastiff that's bred with a pit bull.
What it essentially is, is this big, strong, athletic pitbull-mastiff combination.
But there's no dog aggression at all.
And no people aggression.
But it's because I know the guy who breathes it, and he breathes For the exact opposite.
If the dogs show any aggression to anybody, done.
No breeding.
He has them fixed.
But he doesn't kill them.
He's not shooting them in the head.
He's a breeder who loves animals.
They come over his house and his dogs are playing with his two-year-old daughter.
You can do amazing things with animals through breeding.
And what they've done with the pit bull is an amazing thing.
I love the dogs.
They're amazing dogs.
The guy had one at the gym the other day.
I couldn't stop petting it.
They're fascinating animals.
kevin pereira
Be brought to the gym?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Guys bring jiu-jitsu.
Come on, my friend.
unidentified
I have a fishbowl.
joe rogan
I bring the fishbowl to the gym.
The thing about them is because they've been bred that way, we're only the strongest, most aggressive, the ones with the most...
Impenetrable will.
Those are the only ones that are allowed to breed in the dogfighting community.
The other ones are culled.
They're either killed or they're neutered.
Or they're given to people as pets.
But when you have that, what you get is this incredibly energetic, intelligent animal.
You get this survivor.
You get this cream-of-the-crop genetic specimen of a dog.
They're just fucking amazing dogs.
kevin pereira
I feel the same way about Yorkie Poos.
You get the adorableness of the Yorkshire.
You get the intelligence of the poodle.
joe rogan
There you go.
kevin pereira
I mean, who doesn't want that on a calendar or in their living room?
joe rogan
Once you have a pit bull, it's very hard to take other dogs seriously.
kevin pereira
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, German Shepherds are pretty easy to take seriously.
They're pretty good.
kevin pereira
My buddy's cousin trains German Shepherds.
joe rogan
Very smart dogs.
kevin pereira
And he trains them for celebrities.
I guess he taught Jay-Z's dog diamonds.
joe rogan
Really?
kevin pereira
Yeah, if he tells a German Shepherd diamonds.
unidentified
Oh, that's hilarious.
kevin pereira
I hope it isn't out, Jay-Z, but I think that's so awesome.
unidentified
Oh, that's hilarious.
kevin pereira
Isn't that the coolest thing ever?
joe rogan
Yeah, German Shepherds are super, super smart.
You can't just leave a German Shepherd in the yard.
They'll find a way out, man.
They don't like it.
If they have to, they'll stay in the yard, but they get bored really quick.
They're task-oriented animals.
kevin pereira
They're SWAT team members.
They are treated like SWAT team members.
joe rogan
The smaller versions look just like German Shepherds, but they're smaller.
Same thing.
Those dogs are super smart.
brian redban
Both German Shepherds at the pound today, both just standing at attention, not barking or anything.
I have accepted my fate.
joe rogan
Dude, they're great dogs.
German Shepherds are great dogs.
I had a German Shepherd.
My grandfather had one when I was growing up.
What a great dog it was.
It was literally a dog would go check on things, watch over the kids.
Kids would be playing.
My cousins would be playing.
The dog would just stand there and watch over them and make sure everybody's okay.
Right.
The ultimate host.
unidentified
You guys cool?
You need anything?
joe rogan
And if people would walk by the front, if he was by the babies and the little kids and the little kids were playing, and people would walk by the front gate, the dog would take two steps towards the fence, just in case he needed to go jack somebody, just take two steps, and then he would look back at the little kids.
Look back at the little kids.
And I'm like, I was like six and I realized this.
I'm like, this motherfucker's guarding these babies.
The dog is guarding them.
You don't see that from very many dogs.
Most dogs don't give a fuck about somebody's babies.
So fuck this baby.
You know, lick my balls.
Let me eat some food.
kevin pereira
Bacon strip later.
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
This is a totally different animal.
It's weird.
kevin pereira
Hey, you mentioned Michael Vick did his time, and I don't want to tangentialize too much, but I mean, I think it's crazy that, you know, this Occupy stuff's going on, and I haven't had a chance to talk to you about it.
I don't know where you fall or what you've seen, but it's crazy that those guys haven't done any time yet.
joe rogan
Well, there's no leader.
That's the thing.
They're trying to find someone to put away where they can stop the movement.
The scariest thing about Occupy Wall Street for them is that there's no one person with a megaphone.
unidentified
Right.
kevin pereira
That's the only reason they're lasting so long.
joe rogan
Dude, it's getting bigger, too.
It's bigger and bigger every day.
This is the beginning of something huge.
This is not just what it looked like What it looked like was one of them fucking Glenn Beck rallies that just got real long, lasted a while.
Everybody's pissed.
Yeah, I get it.
You're pissed.
I'm pissed too.
But then, after a couple of weeks, it's like, this is not the same.
This is a different feeling.
This has an overthrow-the-government feel to it.
kevin pereira
Yeah.
I mean, I saw people out there for the first time with giant signs that said, Audit the Fed.
And I was like, I didn't see you guys out here for any other rally.
And maybe that's just because my eyes weren't open enough, but...
I went, okay, if this is how it's going to go down, let's get it going.
joe rogan
Well, I've had some discussions about this on my message board, and there's some real good points that a lot of these guys brought up that I agree with.
One of them is that there's not a lot of cohesive message to this thing.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
It's like there's so many different people with so many different wants and desires.
kevin pereira
But that's going to happen with any movement.
joe rogan
Sure, absolutely.
unidentified
Unfortunately.
joe rogan
Especially a movement with no leader.
That they go there and they're like, stop the drone killings.
And there's PETA people there.
And there's fucking solar people there.
And hemp people there.
And there's legalized marijuana people there.
And everyone's got their own signs.
And it's not just Occupy Wall Street.
It's everything that sucks.
kevin pereira
A guy had a sign that said, shit's fucked up.
And it's bullshit.
And I was like, abso-fucking-lutely, dude.
joe rogan
Shit's fucked up.
kevin pereira
So that's reason enough to get out there.
And right now...
The major concern is watching special interest groups, agent provocateurs, watch them try to roll into the fray and do their YouTube videos to fight back and their CNN coverage to picture the protest in a certain direction.
It's so fascinating to watch the way the steps were outlined for it.
Here's what happened to the Tea Party.
Here's how every other movement has been marginalized.
Excuse me, coffee, bad.
Marginalized every other movement for years.
And to watch those steps playing out right now with Occupy Wall Street and seeing if it's going to thrive or if it's going to crumble in on itself Do you think that somebody marginalized the Tea Party or do you think they just did it to themselves?
The people who truly...
And this is from Reddit articles and from what I can cobble together on Wikipedia.
But the people who were at the true heart of the original Tea Party were anti-Federal Reserve.
They were anti-Big Banks.
They were anti-corporations.
And a lot of people said, well, they're Ron Paul supporters.
So they got lumped in as, okay, you're Ron Paul, so you're Republican.
And they're like, wait, but we're not necessarily...
Republican.
I mean, we do believe in some of Ron Paul's ideas.
Nope, you're Republican.
Now we're going to get some crazies out there with some hats that have tea bags dangling from them and send out flyers.
joe rogan
Well, you really think that someone sent those people out there?
You don't think that there was a lot of people that just joined in?
kevin pereira
No, there certainly were.
joe rogan
So you think that it was orchestrated?
kevin pereira
I think aspects of it were orchestrated.
Really?
I think there's documented proof of people doing that.
I mean, they already have agent provocateurs...
Of course.
That Citibank thing where those guys got arrested, the 40 people that were in a Citibank trying to close their bank accounts?
Now, they were being assholes.
They were.
They were being dicks.
They had their cardboard signs inside a Citibank.
They were disrupting business.
And they're shouting.
They were being disruptive.
joe rogan
Yeah, they weren't just canceling their bank accounts.
kevin pereira
The guy who was the loudest there, one of the guys who was the loudest from videos that I've seen, was an undercover cop.
So he was right in there, yeah, it's out there.
So one of the ladies who went in there, she did protest, she did say her speech, but then she politely, after they told her to quiet down, and this is, again, I can only cobble together so many stories, but this is what I've observed over a few articles.
She quietly calmed down, she closed her bank account, she was outside, they locked everybody in because the police said, well, if they're a disrupting business, hold them there, which I don't, even for being an asshole, I don't think you can legally detain somebody like that.
Without the cops being there.
Dude came outside.
She said, I'm a customer.
Showing him the Citibank bank receipts and stuff.
She said, I'm supposed to be in there.
I'm trying to cancel my account.
He's like, you were one of the protesters.
Grabs her, bear hold style, and drags her back inside the Citibank to be processed.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Well, Citibank, this is hilarious.
The Citibank protesters are saying that the undercover cops set them up.
kevin pereira
You know.
joe rogan
Thought it was a set up.
kevin pereira
So the one thing this movement has going for it, which has me remaining so hopeful, is that they are so fucking connected.
Like, that's what makes it great, because the second bullshit happens, it's like, listen, yeah, that's one story, but here's 40 other angles of that event, start to finish.
You look at what happened.
You know, and they showed a commercial, right now there's an attack commercial against the movement that has some crazy guy who's known for being a crazy YouTube guy spouting anti-Semitic remarks at people left and right.
And there's one guy, and there's another dude that has a sign that was anti-Semitic, and they cut back and forth between this guy for like three minutes.
You know, this guy with the sign, the guy with that, and there's video of people at that protest shaming them, telling them to get the fuck out of here.
This doesn't belong here.
So you see one message and you go, crazy, anti-Semitism, there you go.
I get why people believe that.
That's the message they see.
But this movement is so connected that there's a chance that you could see 40 other perspectives on an event and truly make it up for yourself.
You can truly decide.
joe rogan
This Citibank arrest, now that we're talking about this, and now that I'm going, and you told me this, and I'm going online, and we'll tweet this stuff too, people are getting a chance to, do you want one of those, man?
There's cold ones in there.
Yeah, open the top.
unidentified
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
They're on the bottom there.
Bottom shelf there.
There you go, fella.
Get one for everybody.
Yeah, sure, thanks.
This is why they're saying that they know that the guy was an undercover cop.
It's because he fucking arrested one of them once they got outside.
The fucking guy.
He wasn't just an undercover cop.
He was mocking them and laughing about it.
He arrested one of the protesters outside, slammed her into a wall, and pushed her back into the bank.
kevin pereira
There's video of that.
brian redban
You can see it.
joe rogan
He was at the precinct while they were all getting arrested and he was laughing with fellow white shirt cops telling them about what we'd been saying, basically.
It was a bit startling how inside their information was, how they were being paid to go to these protests and put us in situations where we'd be arrested and not be able to leave.
That's amazing.
kevin pereira
It's not the only incident by a long shot.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Who is in charge of this?
If this guy is an undercover cop, right?
Where is this Citibank branch?
What part of the country was this?
kevin pereira
I don't recall.
joe rogan
Oh, that sucks.
I would like to know.
kevin pereira
Is it not there on the article?
brian redban
Oh, New York.
joe rogan
It's New York.
unidentified
Wow.
There you go.
kevin pereira
So you know who's behind it.
joe rogan
So it's Washington Square Park Police.
Wow.
They set this woman up.
This is disgusting.
kevin pereira
It's not the only incident whatsoever.
joe rogan
This is disgusting that this should be fraud.
We should be able to sue them for fraud.
kevin pereira
Yeah, I hope they can.
joe rogan
Misrepresenting our tax dollars and misrepresenting your position to protect us.
You are leading someone into an illegal event and then you're the one who's screaming shit out and citing them.
kevin pereira
Did you know about kettling?
The procedure of kettling?
joe rogan
What's that?
kevin pereira
It's what the cops, they have a term for it.
It's for cutting off large sections of a crowd for arrest during a protest.
So that Brooklyn Bridge arrest, there's a lot of views that depending upon how you want to interpret the video that you're watching, those guys were kettled.
So it means like they create a pot.
In this case it was the Brooklyn Bridge, right?
They cut off one end of the Brooklyn Bridge.
Then they told protesters, hey, you know, no foot traffic allowed on the bridge into a megaphone.
Which if you've ever been to a rally, the first three people can hear that megaphone.
Right.
No one else fucking can.
No one else can.
So they have one officer in the very front.
You guys can't be here.
Guys can't be here.
Guys can't be here.
No foot traffic.
All right, everybody!
He turns around, and many of the protesters felt that there was a line of police officers walking down the street, leading them onto the Brooklyn Bridge, like across it.
The protesters thought they had a minor victory.
They were like, fuck yeah, Brooklyn Bridge, we got this shit!
The cops get about halfway in, they cut them off, they put the lid on the kettle, and they cut off this large group of protesters on the bridge and arrested them all.
brian redban
Wow.
kevin pereira
It's like leading the marching band.
joe rogan
They arrested like 700 people or something.
kevin pereira
Yeah, that got a lot, yeah.
brian redban
It's cowboys.
unidentified
Yeah.
kevin pereira
It really is.
They were just hurting protesters.
brian redban
Yeah, hurting protesters.
joe rogan
Well, you know what, man?
kevin pereira
But it sucks.
This movement isn't anti-cop whatsoever, and it sucks that it's unfortunately only the bad and salacious stuff It's the news coverage.
joe rogan
Well, that's important, though, because people need to know what can happen, that that can happen.
We need to know about this.
This Citibank thing is fucking disgusting.
This is really gross.
If somebody just feels like Citibank's a shit organization and they just want to go in there and cancel their thing and maybe say, Citibank, I disagree with everything you're doing and I want my money back.
Good, fine, leave.
kevin pereira
So search the one that happened today with Bank of America.
Because a woman goes into a Bank of America, she had a sign, and there's a video of this whole thing.
Again, I think, don't preach, don't make a ruckus, don't try to be the YouTube splash, but then again, here we are talking about it, so I guess it worked.
joe rogan
Is this today you're saying?
kevin pereira
I think it was today.
joe rogan
There's something from October 11th where a bunch of women were arrested inside a Bank of America for returning trash from foreclosed homes.
kevin pereira
No, no, no, no.
I think it was from today.
It was two women.
One has a sign.
She says, I'm against you guys.
I'm closing my account.
She immediately goes in and like a branch manager comes over to her and says, you can't be here.
You need to leave.
She's like, what are you talking about?
You need to get out of here.
I'm calling the cops.
She's like, listen, I'm just here to close my account.
You can't.
You're a protester.
I'm calling the cops.
unidentified
Why?
kevin pereira
What?
I haven't done anything.
And she's like, I'll put the sign away.
I'll put the sign away.
No.
Calling the cops.
And it gets to the point where she actually delivers a line.
You cannot be a protester and a customer at the same time.
unidentified
Whoa.
kevin pereira
Kick them out.
Lock the doors.
joe rogan
Oh, they just kicked him out.
kevin pereira
Yeah, well, I mean, the cops wouldn't do anything.
I mean, come on, man.
You can't be a protester.
joe rogan
I know, but they didn't arrest him.
I don't know.
I mean, what do you want to do?
Do you want to be able to go to a place where you work and have a bunch of people stand around yelling that what you're doing is bad or protesting inside your job?
kevin pereira
No, but again, you have to watch the video.
joe rogan
What were they doing?
kevin pereira
She sat down with her sign.
I was waiting to close the account.
Again, I still think it's dickish to go and make noise and shout at some poor district manager that she's the 1% because she's not.
She's just doing her job, too.
brian redban
Well, I think banks are like airplanes, though.
You really have to watch what you do inside of a bank, especially if you have a sign.
You don't know if that person has a bomb connected underneath their coat.
You know what I mean?
It's a little different.
I feel weird wearing an open shirt in a bank.
joe rogan
Somebody had a good point about Occupy Wall Street and they said all we need is one or two bounce checks and the cops are with us.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And that's so true because the cops are with us.
The cops are not fucking bankers.
kevin pereira
But did you see the nice time released?
joe rogan
The idea that you can get the cops to act as protectors for these cocksuckers is really dark.
It's really dark when you think about it.
That it could even be steered in that direction.
kevin pereira
Don't you think it's already happening though?
joe rogan
In what way?
I mean, this one Citibank thing?
Yes, I do.
kevin pereira
But I mean, the police actions in New York, from checking IDs to make sure you're allowed to walk on certain streets, you had to have a Wall Street ID, kind of an ID that matched one of the addresses that you worked there.
joe rogan
Well, don't you think that probably has something to do with terror attacks as well?
kevin pereira
They didn't do it before these protests.
joe rogan
Right, but I mean, don't you think they're worried, possibly, that someone's going to sneak through?
I mean, if there's so much fucking, like, people and so much attention in a certain area...
That's a slippery slope, though, dude.
It is a slippery slope, but justifying security.
kevin pereira
Because, first of all, this protest hasn't been violent.
This protest hasn't been violent.
There have been outbursts, you know, but they haven't...
I mean, like the officer Tony Baloney that pepper sprayed those women that were in the net.
I don't know if you saw that video.
joe rogan
Yeah, I did.
kevin pereira
Like, that guy lost 10 vacation days.
joe rogan
That's it?
kevin pereira
That was his punishment.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
That's it?
kevin pereira
Yeah, it happened yesterday.
He lost 10 vacation days for pepper spraying.
joe rogan
And he's still a cop.
kevin pereira
Oh, still a cop.
Doesn't get demoted, nothing.
joe rogan
You know, he had also some sort of a situation in 2004 where he abused somebody.
kevin pereira
He punched somebody, I think.
But real quick, to finish that point, though, you know, you've got guys like that out there.
You want those guys checking your ID to make sure you work at a building.
And it's like, well, you go, yeah, it's for safety, but we've given up so many freedoms in the name of safety.
And this is just further erosion of that.
joe rogan
I agree with you, but...
Just playing devil's advocate.
What if you don't work for anybody who's doing anything evil, and you work on fucking Wall Street, and you can't get anywhere near your job, because there's a million hippies out there beating drums, banging for the banks to close, and you don't even support the fucking banks.
Be like, I hear you, but I gotta get over there, because that's where I work.
And they're like, you fucking one percenter!
You fucking piece of shit's pressing people!
And, you know, meanwhile, there's a person who works there.
I don't know.
I mean, I don't know.
kevin pereira
Are there legit businesses?
I hope that's not the attitude of the protesters.
I hope that they...
And that's why I was troubled to see that woman called the branch manager, like, oh, you're the 1%.
I'm like, again, this is just a motherfucker trying to do their job.
I marched in the LA rally that they had.
I was like, let's see this thing.
If I'm going to put my weight behind this at all, or...
I try not to get too political at times, and I was like, if I'm going to be outspoken about this shit, I need to go down there.
I need to see what it's like.
And I'm shocked at how many people have framed complex opinions about it and yet haven't gone down to actually see one.
And when I was there, the cross-section of society that I ran into I feared didn't exist anymore.
unidentified
Truly.
joe rogan
What do you mean?
kevin pereira
Amazing people.
Incredible people.
For every avatar dressed up, head-to-toe blue hippie that's banging a bongo drum, there were three people there of all ages, all races, that understood that shit is fucked up in this country and was trying to be positive about it and trying to elicit change.
And so it was a really nice feeling, but I feel like there were clear demands and there was a good purpose to it then.
Now it's being a little co-opted.
joe rogan
How long ago was this?
kevin pereira
That I went out there?
joe rogan
Yeah.
kevin pereira
Probably a week or two ago.
joe rogan
So you think it's being co-opted by nefarious forces that are working undercover to try to sabotage things?
kevin pereira
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
Like the Citibank thing?
kevin pereira
I think so, yeah.
joe rogan
Really?
kevin pereira
They do that to every movement.
I mean, from the attack ads to marginalizing the message to entrapment.
brian redban
It's costing them a lot of money.
I mean, I think it was New York or something like that.
They were going to go bankrupt from this.
joe rogan
So Bloomberg, cough up the cash.
This is where you've got billions.
You want to keep that mayor job, fuckface?
kevin pereira
While this was going on, I believe it was JPMorgan Chase announced their huge grant to NYPD of like $4.6 million or something like that.
It might have been a billion dollars.
I'm not even joking.
It was probably a million.
You should Google it.
But it's literally like, as this is going on, and the cops are there protecting Wall Street, and pepper spraying civilians who are protesting it, JP Morgan is making multi-million dollar donations to the NYPD. No way.
Who are they going to serve and protect, man?
brian redban
Right.
kevin pereira
So yeah, they might be one or two pensions away, but guess what?
They're not going to lose their pension.
Politicians don't fuck with the cops because they know they need them there to protect them and protect the bankers.
joe rogan
That is dark.
kevin pereira
That's why it was inspiring to watch that Marine.
There was a fucking marine colonel that was on the street.
And you want to talk about pit bulls, Joe?
joe rogan
Yeah, I saw that guy.
kevin pereira
That motherfucker was inspiring.
And people were like, he only said three words.
I'm like, it took him three words.
It was like, there's no honor in this.
Which is several more words than that.
But it took only that from that dude wearing that uniform with that intensity to shut those cops down.
joe rogan
Those cops couldn't say shit.
kevin pereira
They couldn't say shit.
joe rogan
He kept pointing to his medals and shit.
kevin pereira
What do you guys do when you're on horses trampling fucking innocent protesters?
joe rogan
Yeah, you're supposed to protect these people.
kevin pereira
Yeah, this isn't a war zone.
These people don't have guns.
joe rogan
Yeah, why are you hurting these people?
There's no honor in this.
kevin pereira
There's no honor in this.
That's all it took from that fucking guy.
joe rogan
JPMorgan Chase donates $4.6 million to NYPD during the protests.
kevin pereira
During the protests.
joe rogan
That's so beautiful.
That's amazing.
It's amazing.
kevin pereira
It's fucking transparent as sin.
joe rogan
It's gross.
This is something that would have happened a long time ago and we would have never heard about it.
kevin pereira
But look at the site that that announcement is on.
That's on their official website.
It's not like they tried to hide this.
It's not like somebody had to go digging up some file to find some back alley deal.
They were like, hey world, we just donated 4.6 million to the NYPD. That's how good we are as people.
brian redban
Wow.
joe rogan
Yeah, how gross.
And then the cops are acting as if that $4.6 million is worth more than whatever these fucking regular people pay out of their paychecks every goddamn week.
And a percentage of that, for sure, has to go to public service.
The people that are in your community, man.
The people that are fed up.
And you are just going to bend over and take it up to Cooley for $4.6 million from some fucking bankers.
That's amazing.
brian redban
For an Adam Sandler movie.
How much does a movie cost?
joe rogan
Adam Sandler's movie is a lot more than $4.6 million.
kevin pereira
Well, that's what they gross, but they're...
brian redban
Yeah, that's what I meant.
joe rogan
Adam Sandler makes a lot of fucking money.
He might not like his movies, but his movies...
brian redban
No, I love Adam Sandler's movies.
kevin pereira
That was a total joke.
brian redban
I love Adam Sandler.
joe rogan
That guy made $4.6 million for a movie.
He would cry.
That would be a terrible weekend.
kevin pereira
Oh, fuck.
What was...
Talking about J.P. Morgan, how they announced this right in the middle of it.
joe rogan
This is terrifying.
kevin pereira
So yeah, so here's one thing I'm going to attempt to do.
I'm going to try to raise some money to do an app to help facilitate protesters right now.
joe rogan
Really?
And how's that work?
kevin pereira
I got a couple ideas.
I mean, I think right now I'd love to see geolocation mixed media chat rooms that you can join.
Password protected, anonymous, whatever, you know.
You'll log into the room.
Maybe I'll create Occupy LA and people go in there.
Now we have a mixed media shared space with like IRC style moderation, meaning whoever creates that room can anoint.
If I create a room, I can give you permission and you permission to post directly to it.
Everybody else chats in a separate area of the app, but allow people to push button quick voice message chat so you can quickly communicate in a crowd.
Like, hey, the cops are coming.
Everybody fucking sit down.
Send that off, right?
That's a good idea, man.
Hey, they're kettling us in.
Pull up the Google Maps, drop a pin on it, send that out to the group so they can be like, all right, here's our new rally point and get there.
All in names of keeping it peaceful and organized.
If anybody takes a photo or tries to live stream from within the app, it would be geotagged and hashtagged.
Automatically, because you're in that group.
So when it goes up to the web, right now I'm trying to follow the protests, and they go, cops are beating a dude in a wheelchair in Sacramento.
They weren't.
They were just arresting a kid in a wheelchair, so it's okay.
And he was just there after curfew.
I had to track down four Twitter accounts to find where that was happening, click on the protest, go to the live stream.
One live stream went down.
I'm like, it's inefficient.
If everybody organized through one channel...
All their media.
You could pull up a map in real time of all the shit that's going down the world, click on a bubble and view it back like a timeline.
joe rogan
Wow.
kevin pereira
And see when the room started, what people were saying, what keywords were popping, what media was happening, where the videos were.
You could piece up angles based off timestamps.
And the idea is you could really, you would have the most honest slice of an event and history that's going on.
I think it would be amazing.
And it would help people on the ground really organize and be safe.
You know, safer.
joe rogan
That's a great idea, dude.
brian redban
They're there on Kickstarter quick.
kevin pereira
So I want to do it on Kickstarter.
If someone hasn't stolen the idea already, I want to do it.
I've already checked it out.
joe rogan
I priced it out.
What do you call it?
kevin pereira
We Gather.
joe rogan
How about Fuck the Police for coming down from the underground?
kevin pereira
No, because it'll never get funding as...
I think I had it like iRiot.
brian redban
Fudge the police?
unidentified
iRiot?
joe rogan
Ooh, I like that.
unidentified
iRiot.
kevin pereira
I had a bunch of angry, aggressive names, but the way to really sell it is to say, well, not only can this be used to help facilitate marches, but if a group of 10 is going to Disneyland, they can all create a group amongst their friends and share their media that way.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's...
That's how you should market it entirely.
So what are you going to call it?
kevin pereira
I gather?
Yeah, we gather.
joe rogan
We gather.
kevin pereira
You know, like it's a social app.
joe rogan
I like it.
kevin pereira
Someone just took the.com and the logo and everything else, so good luck with it, guys.
joe rogan
You didn't register that shit yet?
unidentified
Nah.
joe rogan
How dare you?
kevin pereira
I just wanted to get, I want the idea out there.
I was going to sell the, I was not going to sell the app.
joe rogan
Please, folks, don't steal it.
kevin pereira
No, I mean, I hope, if someone can help me make that, please.
joe rogan
Why don't you register it tonight?
kevin pereira
I could.
joe rogan
Yeah, do it.
kevin pereira
I got a spec'd up.
I know how much it's going to cost, so I think I'm just going to go out there and do it.
joe rogan
It sounds brilliant.
unidentified
Thanks, man.
joe rogan
It sounds like a brilliant idea.
brian redban
I agree.
kevin pereira
I think it'd be cool.
joe rogan
And it really wouldn't be great for Disneyland, too.
kevin pereira
It would.
And if you're at like a fucking Coachella.
Let me join the Coachella room with my friends and then we can keep our room private but promote media up so it can go to the public room.
joe rogan
Say you go to the Kentucky Derby and you get lost in a group of friends.
unidentified
Right.
kevin pereira
Or you're just at a cockfight and you want to know where your friends are.
joe rogan
You want to know whose rooster's on top.
brian redban
That's it.
kevin pereira
We gather.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a great idea, dude.
unidentified
Thanks.
joe rogan
I like that a lot.
You're like a revolutionary.
Look at you.
kevin pereira
Well, dude, how revolutionary would that image be?
Because right now the crowds, half of the violence and the confusion comes from panic.
The panic is coming from a lack of communication.
When you see those people chanting back what people are saying in a park, people think they're crazy and it's like a cult.
It's like, actually, no, they don't allow amplification devices.
So people are just like, we'll loudly repeat everything else that's happening.
But you get enough people running a WeGather-style app, Pop in one earbud.
You can still hear what's going on around you.
You'll know exactly who's connected and who's in that room by the side of the earbud and by glancing down at your phone and just fucking push to talk, man.
joe rogan
Jamie Kilstein made a tweet and this tweet will forever, in my mind, embody what is going on here.
He made this tweet.
He was down at Occupy Wall Street.
He was talking about how fucking crazy it is.
He wrote, they just arrested a guy because they thought he was the leader.
Period.
There are no leaders.
Occupy Wall Street.
And he made a little hashtag.
And I was like, wow.
What a crazy movement that must be for people where there's not one guy on a podium with a microphone.
kevin pereira
It's a truly democratic movement right now.
joe rogan
Growing.
kevin pereira
Truly.
joe rogan
And growing.
And how the fuck do you silence that?
kevin pereira
Because then you've got guys like Move On.
There's a petition on Move On site to have them to stop supporting Occupy Wall Street.
They're seen as a radical leftist group and very political and they have their own ties to corporations, etc., etc., depending upon who you ask.
So right now, you can't have anybody from a group like that, Republican, Democrat, I don't give a shit.
You cannot have groups with strong political ties funding your movement and gathering interest for your movement.
You can't do that because that will be used as fodder to shut it down immediately.
joe rogan
Well, this is the beautiful thing about this song.
There is no political party here.
There's no political party involved in any of this.
There's Republicans out there, Libertarians out there.
kevin pereira
But I think a lot of Republicans don't think there are Republicans out there.
That's a message that I run into a lot.
joe rogan
A lot of Republicans are so goddamn brainwashed I don't even know what a Republican is.
kevin pereira
Some Democrats are too.
joe rogan
A lot of Republicans might tell people that I would register to be a Republican if I really thought that Ron Paul had a chance or that Gary Johnson had a chance.
What a real Republican is supposed to be about is supposed to be about small business and saying the fuck out of people's personal lives.
kevin pereira
It's Ron Paul.
joe rogan
Yeah.
A real Republican, by the way, wouldn't give a shit if you got married if you were gay.
A real Republican wouldn't give a shit about what religion you want to practice.
kevin pereira
Your business, as long as the government doesn't tell me if it's okay.
Your business.
joe rogan
A constitutional Republican.
kevin pereira
Polar opposite of that right now.
joe rogan
Would never be wanting to intersect religion in with politics.
What's gone on in this country is people, like always, lump themselves into fucking teams.
Whether it's Windows versus Mac.
kevin pereira
Which is why they can't allow a certain group that represents a certain team or a certain color or fucking animal glom onto their message, and they're going to have to communicate better to do that.
joe rogan
This is the big question about this Occupy Wall Street thing, is that it's already gotten way past a boiling point.
And it's gotten to a point where if the economy doesn't improve and these people don't have to go back to work, well, what the fuck is going to stop them from escalating?
What the fuck is going to stop this from getting bigger and bigger?
kevin pereira
I love when people go, get a job, you hippie.
Get a fucking job.
It's like, create one for me.
Create one for me and I'll take it.
That's why I'm out here, asshole.
joe rogan
Everybody that says get a job today is an asshole.
What?
kevin pereira
It's going to be interesting to see what happens come winter.
joe rogan
It's 10% unemployment, and that's just for people who are fucking registering for unemployment.
That's why those numbers are screwy, man.
When they say the country is 9% or 10% or what it is, that's just people that are registering for unemployment.
How many people are not eligible for unemployment and they're still unemployed?
How many people have used up their unemployment and they're still unemployed?
kevin pereira
Well, it's because they're playing World of Warcraft.
It's because they have no drive.
It's because they're alcoholics.
It's because they're, let's paint whatever negative picture we can on the fact that some people get down on their luck sometimes.
joe rogan
That's what Herman Cain thinks, right?
kevin pereira
Yeah.
Herman Cain is, it's your bad.
Is your ass bleeding?
It's not because I raped you.
Because you resisted hard enough.
joe rogan
He's wrong, but isn't he right too?
He's absolutely wrong.
And there's certainly people in certain situations.
For sure, people get a shit roll of the dice, man.
I've seen it.
We've all seen it.
kevin pereira
And some people are just fucking lazy and want to suck off the teat.
And a lot of individual greed led to the situations that we have right now.
It's so multifaceted.
He's right and he's wrong.
joe rogan
Right, exactly.
What I was going to say is that his point is...
It's very simple and generalized, but the reality is many a person has gone from intense poverty to immense wealth, and they've done it by bulldog determinations.
kevin pereira
Yeah, but they did it when the game wasn't rigged.
joe rogan
I don't know about that.
I think people are doing that right now.
It's so much harder, though.
Oh, it is, most certainly.
kevin pereira
So much harder.
joe rogan
What do you think has changed as far as the game being rigged?
Interest rates are much higher for credit cards, and it's harder to get a loan for businesses or to buy a house.
kevin pereira
And the jobs that you can get.
joe rogan
But how else is it rigged?
kevin pereira
I think the jobs that you can get right now, the dollar is being so manipulated.
joe rogan
Okay, first of all, to get something big going, you want to get Bill Gates money, you want to get that kind of money, you want to be a baller, you got to make your own shit.
You got to make your own shit.
kevin pereira
You got to be your own boss, for sure.
joe rogan
You got to create your own thing.
Your own business, your own boss.
So do whatever the fuck you got to do.
But it's got to be your own thing.
That's the only way you make monumental kind of money.
And So, you know what?
kevin pereira
Broadband sucks in this country and cellular sucks, so I'm going to start my own carrier and I'm going to make it awesome, but the game is rigged against me.
brian redban
I can't do it.
joe rogan
Throughout history, people have figured out a way.
People have figured out a way in the darkest times to make shit piles of money.
So he's wrong in generalizing right now, but he's also right.
It is possible.
It's just most people aren't willing to do the work to create the possible.
You have to become like a madman to become super uber successful in the middle of a fucking down economy.
But you can do it.
kevin pereira
But there is no middle class anymore.
Yes, I think it does take that drive.
I think you said like Steve Jobs ran himself at 11,000 RPM every day and just burned himself out.
It does take that to be at his level.
But these aren't people in Times Square.
I'm getting back to the movement.
I don't think these are people that want to be Steve Jobs necessarily.
joe rogan
They just want jobs.
kevin pereira
They'll take a job.
They want a modest house in a modest neighborhood.
joe rogan
You don't think that's possible anymore?
kevin pereira
For some people, I don't think it is.
joe rogan
Impossible.
Is that possible that something could be impossible?
kevin pereira
I don't think anything's impossible.
Absolutely not.
But should we hang our hats on the one person?
joe rogan
Let's say the legit unemployment number is 15%.
It's probably worse than that.
But let's say it's 15% nationwide.
That still means 85% of the people are working.
And if 85% of the people are working, why can't you work?
Is there a way to get through?
You know what I'm saying?
You can't really say there is no middle class.
For sure, the situation is fucked up.
For sure, we're in a terrible financial situation where we've realized that we've been scammed all these years and essentially defrauded and lied to.
And we have a Congress that's bought and paid for.
It's pretty obvious.
No one's prosecuting any of these fucks, yet they're going after pot dispensaries.
What's going on is shameful.
In 2011, with the internet, with the access to information that we have, that the government conducts its business this way is absolutely, completely shameful.
But some people are still doing okay.
Some people are still getting through.
kevin pereira
I'm one of those people.
I'm doing all right.
I made some opportunities for myself.
I've been working my ass off since I was 12 years old.
I mean, I think it's possible.
But again, I'm not saying there isn't a middle class.
There clearly still is.
But it is shrinking exponentially.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kevin pereira
B of A just offloaded a bunch of fucking bad assets to a branch of their arm that's FDIC insured here in the States that were European assets.
They did this thing that's not supposed to be legal, swiped over a bunch of stuff, so if the euro fails, if there's a financial crisis there, the American taxpayers could end up bailing out the European banks.
unidentified
Wow.
kevin pereira
By transferring their assets.
I mean, it's...
So, again, I'm doing alright right now.
brian redban
Fuck Bank of America, too.
unidentified
But...
brian redban
Like, who's that one guy that just donated a shitload of money to Bank of America?
Like, some singer or something like that just donated a shitload of money to Bank of America?
kevin pereira
Donated to Bank of America?
brian redban
Not a singer.
There's some celebrity guy.
Here, I'll find out.
joe rogan
Yeah, find out.
I've never heard of anybody donating money to a bank.
That's crazy.
kevin pereira
With all the connectivity that we have in this day and age, just as you're saying, it's crazy that the government is run the way it is, right?
joe rogan
That's what this protest is all about.
kevin pereira
Yeah, I think so.
joe rogan
People are awake.
kevin pereira
But so, you know, this is a pipe dream.
But why not, you know, I pay my taxes online.
I pay a lot of taxes online.
And they trust it enough to be verified and it's my social security number and blah blah blah and there's the amount that I'm paying and the government takes it, state and federal.
Right?
If I can pay my taxes online, we can do a system that does that, why can't I pay my taxes and then apportion those taxes directly to the funds and the projects and the things that I want?
Let me vote truly democratically with my dollars.
Now, if we have to set minimum levels, you know, for defense spending or, you know...
joe rogan
Well, you're talking crazy now.
unidentified
Why?
joe rogan
Because, first of all, this isn't a democracy.
kevin pereira
But why not?
Dream big.
joe rogan
It's a representative republic, right?
That's what we are.
unidentified
Right.
kevin pereira
We're represented by a handful of people that the corporations own.
joe rogan
You don't even get to know where your money goes.
They don't even have to give you a receipt.
kevin pereira
How great would that be if I could decide where it's going to go?
joe rogan
How gross is that, by the way, that you pay, like, you're probably in like a 38% tax bracket or something, right?
You're doing really well.
kevin pereira
One year when I wasn't incorporated, like now I work for myself as a corporation, but the last year that I wasn't, I paid 43 or 47% of my income to taxes.
joe rogan
How nutty is that?
Let's just round that bitch off to half.
You're paying half of your money and you don't even get a statement that says, hey, you helped fix a road, you helped pay for cops, you helped support firefighters.
You don't even get a fucking receipt.
They don't have to tell you shit.
brian redban
Nope.
Warren Buffet.
joe rogan
Oh, Warren Buffet donated to Bank of America?
brian redban
To help Bank of America, I think he bought a bunch of stocks.
He bought $357 million, is that what I said?
joe rogan
In stocks?
unidentified
Jesus.
brian redban
No, invests $5 billion in Bank of America.
joe rogan
Well, that's not donating, buddy.
brian redban
No, no, but he did it to help them.
That's what his reasoning was.
kevin pereira
I'm sure it was purely altruistic.
joe rogan
He's also old as fuck and doesn't give a shit.
He's a weird cat.
That guy lives in a regular house.
He's a super, super, super rich guy.
He lives in middle America, lives in a regular house.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah, he does not live extravagantly by any means.
And he has apparently donated a substantial portion of his riches to charities when he dies.
kevin pereira
Good for him.
joe rogan
Yeah, good for him.
Yeah, he's an interesting cat, that Warren Buffett.
kevin pereira
I like that.
I've heard him vilified several times, so it's nice to hear that side of it.
joe rogan
Well, he probably feels bad for all the creepy shit that he did to get a hundred fucking billion dollars or whatever he's got stashed under his mattress.
kevin pereira
He just worked hard, Joe.
Anybody can do it.
It's not impossible.
joe rogan
You were talking about videos that disturbed you and that video of the...
The dogs getting killed earlier.
There's something that disturbed me way more, and I couldn't even watch it.
I just heard about it.
It was a baby getting run over in China.
The baby got run over back and forth like a bunch of times.
People stepped over the body of the baby.
This video of them stepping over it, and nobody did a goddamn thing about it.
It was a two-year-old baby just wandering around, run over by a truck.
The truck sees that it ran over it, doesn't do anything about it, gets back in the car, runs over it again with its back wheels.
kevin pereira
Oh, with the back wheels?
joe rogan
Yeah, and then another person runs over it.
I mean, it's...
As human beings, man, we have to look at what are we like at our worst?
What are we like at the most callous and unloving?
That's got to be an example.
Right up there with war.
kevin pereira
You've got to at least leave a note.
Sorry I hit your baby.
Here's my license plate.
I'm insured.
You've got to at least do that because that's fucked up.
joe rogan
Well, I don't know whose fucking baby was just wandering around the streets, first of all.
There was no one that did anything about it.
They didn't even know the baby was run over.
There was no screaming.
There was no, oh my god, where's my baby?
When population density gets to a certain number and the value of life diminishes because there's just too many goddamn humans and literally not enough food for people, so instead of someone being valuable, you're actually a hindrance.
Everybody's a hindrance.
kevin pereira
Right.
You're a resource drain.
unidentified
Yeah.
kevin pereira
I'm sorry, but that's what you are at times.
And thankfully, Siri is going to figure out how to turn us all into batteries.
And the Matrix is going to fucking happen, guys.
Siri is going to figure that shit out.
joe rogan
Well, if it's not that, it may be aliens.
One of the things I've always said about aliens, people think...
I have several friends that are obsessed with aliens.
Eddie Bravo being the biggest one.
He fucking loves UFOs.
Loves the idea that they're out there, man.
It's so exciting for him.
It's so sexy for him.
Me, I'm not so convinced.
I look around at all the goddamn video footage that people have on their cell phones, and then I see the video footage of UFOs, and I'm like, this is horseshit.
These are fake.
They just smell to me.
They all stink.
Nothing seems real.
There's not a single fucking video of anyone spotting a little gray man running around their backyard.
And that doesn't mean it's not real.
It doesn't mean that if they were here, they couldn't avoid detection, but I don't believe it.
And my other take on it is that if they did exist, We probably wouldn't want them here.
Because guess what?
They're not going to just let us run things as usual and give us more information so we can blow each other up quicker.
No, they're going to treat us the same way we treat dolphins and whales.
We don't give a fuck about them.
We kill whales every day.
Not we, not you and I obviously, but people in this world kill whales every day.
We take dolphins, we Americans do, and we lock them in fish tanks.
We take these amazing animals and we put them in a fucking swimming pool.
And we don't give a shit about them.
We really don't.
kevin pereira
When they say an animal escaped from a zoo, that's because you put it in a prison.
It escaped.
It went home, you asshole.
joe rogan
You got free of your fucking jail.
It didn't escape.
You locked this guy up for nothing.
But why would we think that anything more intelligent than us would treat us any differently than we treat the most intelligent things that we're aware of?
Chimpanzees and dolphins and orcas are the most intelligent things that we're aware of.
We just lock them up.
We don't give a fuck, man.
We experiment on them.
We put them in cages.
We teach them how to do tricks for our amusement.
Why the fuck would we think that aliens would do anything different?
We steal their babies, man.
Chimpanzees, dolphins, orcas.
We steal their fucking babies.
kevin pereira
What if we are a zoo for the aliens?
joe rogan
We very well could be, man.
kevin pereira
What if they are just walking around right now invisible going, can you believe they're doing that shit?
Oh my god.
Let's make this guy do that and see what happens.
joe rogan
Well, if you think about what we're capable of right now, you ever go to the wild animal park in San Diego?
kevin pereira
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's fucking amazing, right?
Huge, huge place.
You drive around there.
I mean, these animals have habitat, dude.
Did you ever feed the giraffes?
brian redban
I actually never went there, but that's where Cliffy B is getting married.
joe rogan
Oh, is he really?
brian redban
Yeah.
kevin pereira
Like on a giraffe?
unidentified
He's a crafty dude.
joe rogan
That sounds like something he would do.
It's an amazing setup.
They have a lot of room.
It's not ideal, but they have a lot of room.
So just extrapolate that.
Take that to 100 million years of evolution or whatever the fuck.
fuck you know who knows how long you know life can exist on certain planets and they could be so fucking sophisticated they could have like not just created a planet but you know but engineered our whole environment you know right well let's see what happens here it's It's truly Sim Earth.
kevin pereira
The same way we do it with ants in video games are now people in The Sims.
Let's see how this one turns out.
joe rogan
Can you imagine if the whole idea of asteroidal impacts and mass extinction events was actually a programmed cycle, that we're just not aware of it?
We just are still assuming that there's sort of a random nature to all these rocks out there colliding, but really they just happen every certain amount of millions of years, just some sort of a global reset that just keeps going on.
brian redban
Getting defragged.
joe rogan
Yeah, until your civilization becomes so intelligent that it can spot it and prevent it.
That's the mad race.
kevin pereira
That's like the test.
joe rogan
Yeah, the mad race is to get off the planet in some sort of an artificial environment that you control, be it a large spaceship or a giant artificial planet, and to avoid all the cosmic impacts, solar flares, all the really big shit that happens, supernovas.
When hypernovas happen, everything anywhere near it in the galaxy just gets cooked.
and that shit can happen to us.
kevin pereira
That's why I hate that I wasn't fucking alive for the space race.
I'm serious.
joe rogan
In the 60s, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
kevin pereira
I mean, the notion of it, and it might be the nostalgia that I've absorbed.
Not as much.
It's more about who can fire lasers from satellites now.
It's not about like, let's explore.
And I know that was the bill of goods that we were sold.
I'm sure it had a lot to do with defense testing and everything else, but if all the money that we did, and this is just me wishing we could vote with our tax dollars again, but if a fraction of the money we've spent blowing shit up in some other fucking country was spent to just solving something, like a problem for humanity here, we could be leaders again, like a problem for humanity here, we could be leaders again, and we could be positively and we could fucking...
Help the world.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, not even just that.
kevin pereira
I'm going to sing that in a group of people.
joe rogan
Curiosity of expression, of just traveling the fucking universe and finding out what it is like on Mars.
Have humans set up some sort of a civilization on Mars where they, what is that called?
kevin pereira
Total Recall?
joe rogan
No, where you take an environment and you sort of engineer it to a geo...
kevin pereira
Geoforming?
joe rogan
Yeah, geoforming.
kevin pereira
We need more ozone.
Let's do that.
We need some water here.
Let's ship that in.
Let's terraform on this level.
joe rogan
You create an environment.
They said that you could do this.
That you could take machines and you could build them on Mars.
Massive, massive machines.
Literally the size of cities.
It would be like a Manhattan-sized machine.
And that machine would just be pumping oxygen into the environment.
And that somehow or another...
kevin pereira
It's called The Reactor.
And Quaid starts it with his alien hand.
Did you not see Total Recall?
joe rogan
I did see that.
Is that what it was in Total Recall?
kevin pereira
Yeah, start The Reactor!
And he pushes the reactor and the rods go in and the fucking oxygen on the planet.
joe rogan
Oh, that's right.
kevin pereira
And it stops Arnold's head from freaking out when he's on the side of the mountain.
joe rogan
Isn't that amazing that some stupid movie is actually based on real scientific ideas?
brian redban
The three boob thing.
You can get an implant in the third one.
No one's ever done it.
You know when girls have three nipples?
joe rogan
I've never heard of a girl really having three nipples.
brian redban
Oh, you've never seen one?
Yeah, I know a couple people.
I know guys and girls that have three nipples.
unidentified
Really?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Are they next to each other?
brian redban
It's creepy because it's just like the nipple part.
It's not the areola.
joe rogan
Oh, wow.
brian redban
So it's just like this weird nipple.
joe rogan
I guess out of all freak show genetic mishaps you can have, that ain't that bad.
kevin pereira
To have an extra nipple?
joe rogan
I got an extra nipple.
Who's going to complain?
kevin pereira
Extra testicle wouldn't be that bad either.
joe rogan
Maybe.
What if your loads are just overwhelming?
kevin pereira
Some guys want that.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe it was too much.
kevin pereira
I saw a product at GNC called Maxload next to the checkout counter.
GNC. GNC on the counter.
I took a photo of it.
It made me laugh so hard.
I tweeted it and it said...
Come harder, come longer, come better.
It was like three hits and there was like, you know, fucking max low.
GNC. On the counter.
At the checkout counter.
Like where a take a penny, leave a penny should be.
It was like, dudes, come harder.
That was on the counter at the GNC. That's amazing.
joe rogan
What a crazy world we live in now.
kevin pereira
And it fucking did not work.
joe rogan
That is internet core.
unidentified
Did not work.
joe rogan
Didn't work at all?
kevin pereira
I fucking came pixie dust for like a week.
joe rogan
Poor little girl.
kevin pereira
It was just glitter and wishes.
brian redban
Did it taste different?
kevin pereira
No, no, citrusy.
joe rogan
Do you think that's the internet that's got people so desensitized?
kevin pereira
There's fetish porn now where they're using fake dicks and pumping gallons of fake semen out of them to splash all over people.
And they're doing like drive-by cum shots and like splattering girls that are just walking down the sidewalk.
That'd be hilarious if that's how the gang settled their warfare with drive-by cum shots.
joe rogan
That's actually pretty funny.
kevin pereira
It'd be brilliant.
joe rogan
Well, what are they going to do when CGI gets to a point where everybody can afford it, including, you know, porn companies?
Right, it's on your phone.
kevin pereira
It'll be real time.
joe rogan
They have, like, you know, Japanese, what is that called?
That hentai?
kevin pereira
Yeah, where the tentacles look real.
joe rogan
They'll have that, but in a realistic human form.
kevin pereira
They're so close, dude.
They're so close.
joe rogan
Yeah, women will just get split open.
kevin pereira
I think it's going to be procedurally generated, dude.
You're going to be able to go to a website and through series and knobs, select exactly the kind of woman you want, fucking slide her her tits, choose her height, the hair color, select the scenes and positions, and hit play.
And that shit is going to auto-generate, and it's going to destroy humanity.
joe rogan
What'll happen first?
Holograms or virtual reality?
That's super realistic.
kevin pereira
Well, it depends on your definition of super realistic.
For me, virtual reality isn't true virtual reality unless the shit is being into my brain.
Unless it's being beamed into it or electrified into it.
I don't care if it's through a helmet or a glove.
but until my brain is being tricked to imagine ones and zeros, I'm not going to call VR VR.
joe rogan
Do you think it's impossible to do that without some sort of an electronic aid or do you think that they'll be able to figure out, I thought at one point in time, I don't know about the science behind this because this is all just out of my imagination, but that there may be a frequency that they can tune into, that the human mind can tune into for whatever reason.
kevin pereira
Right.
joe rogan
And they may be able to find a frequency that you can tune into where when you put yourself in a relaxed state, it can generate thoughts.
kevin pereira
You know what, I think, I just had a bizarre thought about that.
I was like, no, what they'll do is they'll engineer it.
Because the transhumanism thing, they'll create a chip first that allows you to perceive that, but you'll still need power to generate it.
But then, we'll get so good with fucking manipulating molecules and DNA, we'll create the cell.
That will be put into something virus style that gives people perception to that.
So imagine like a chip for Bluetooth or Wi-Fi.
We're going to engineer that on a biochemical level so that you can now perceive this thing.
So you and I can communicate telepathically.
This device can beam the images into me.
joe rogan
Wow.
kevin pereira
Why not, right?
joe rogan
Like a flu shot.
kevin pereira
Yeah, but a viral fucking, you know, Bluetooth chip.
But Bluetooth kind of sucks.
joe rogan
Bluetooth 7.0.
If they're talking about genetic engineering and they're always talking about the possibility of nanobots, We're good to go in and cure cancer.
What about the idea of artificial cells?
What was it that they just discovered recently?
They created something that reproduced itself in a lab for the first time.
kevin pereira
I saw something like that.
joe rogan
I forget what it was.
Some small structure, an atom or whatever it was that reproduced itself.
What if they can create artificial cells, they inject this artificial cell into you, and slowly but surely, over the course of however long it takes to regenerate inside all of your tissue, you become like a superhuman.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
kevin pereira
I absolutely see that happening.
joe rogan
That's not outside the realm of possibility at all.
kevin pereira
No, no.
And what concerns me is the potential.
We think we're having class war now, class warfare now.
Oh, my God.
Imagine the have and have-nots in that day and age.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
kevin pereira
When it's like, it's pure Gattaca shit of like, well, hey, I was born with it because I got upgraded.
joe rogan
Right.
kevin pereira
And, you know, I can perceive this shit that you can't and manipulate you with my mind.
So, sorry, you're just a thing.
We're going to enslave ourselves before the aliens do.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
I don't see any escape from the technological singularity.
Do you?
I don't see any escape from artificial intelligence.
kevin pereira
I worry that stunted minds will not allow us to evolve to that point.
I don't think they have a chance.
joe rogan
I don't think those stunted minds have a fucking chance.
I think it'll be on them before they even know it hit them.
I think no one is stopping the onset of artificial intelligence.
No one is putting the brakes to it.
Everybody's worrying about weapons.
Everybody's worrying about these threats from terrorists and all these different things.
What about a sentient, super-intelligent computer that can do things?
kevin pereira
I think we're so on the path to that.
joe rogan
So on the path to that.
kevin pereira
We're absolutely on the path to it, but we don't know.
It may look at us and just go, you're molecules.
I could use you more efficiently.
Thanks.
We don't know if it's going to be that way.
We don't know if...
Whoever gets it first, whether it's the US or the Chinese, they're going to put a hook in it that allows them to use it for whatever they want.
We don't really know.
The AI might become the next nuclear weapon before it becomes sentient enough to stop ourselves from blowing the shit out of each other.
joe rogan
That is possible, but I don't think that's going to happen.
I think once something becomes sentient, we're done.
I don't think we have any more say in anything.
And I think the idea of controlling it, once it has the ability to rationalize and realize how silly we are as a species...
kevin pereira
No, I agree with that.
I agree that if we get to that, it's going to happen.
But there is a sliding scale of fully sentient AI and where we're at now.
And I'm worried that right here...
When we're almost there, right here, it's going to be just powerful enough, and someone's going to have it, and use it to take the rest of the world all the way back.
joe rogan
That is the Mad Max scenario, right?
kevin pereira
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's the story that they tell after the apocalypse.
That's it.
After it's all over, of how close we were.
And the scientists sit around and discuss how close we were to changing the world.
And now they realize that they're old men, and there's no medicine around anymore, and you barely can find gasoline.
kevin pereira
We could have had it all, and a few greedy men who still live on with that AI still have it.
joe rogan
And then 10,000 years from now, people find all these different ruins in America when America's covered with ice and then the ice withdraws again.
You know, just like it's happened before, right?
kevin pereira
Absolutely.
unidentified
Fuck.
kevin pereira
And maybe they'll find a thumb drive frozen in ice and maybe one day figure out how to, you know, unencrypt it.
But I doubt it.
joe rogan
I doubt it.
But they do find things.
They do find some old fucking shit they can't account for.
You know, the idea of glaciers, though.
The real problem with glaciers.
We had Graham Hancock in here.
I don't know if you listened to that one.
He's a fascinating dude who...
kevin pereira
Are you talking about chicks that look skinny from the waist up?
Oh, those are icebergs.
Sorry.
Glaciers.
joe rogan
Chakes that look skinny from the waist up are icebergs?
kevin pereira
Call them icebergs, because above the surface they look alright, but down below it's...
joe rogan
Oh, that's hilarious.
kevin pereira
So, I'm sorry, glaciers.
joe rogan
Glaciers.
Glaciers move on land and essentially grind everything underneath them down to nothing.
kevin pereira
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they move, you know, several feet a year, whatever they do, but they're essentially a mile-high sheet of ice that's slowly moving its way across the ground, and anything needs to be there.
unidentified
Out of my way, bro.
joe rogan
Any buildings, anything.
Done.
Giant boulders moved miles.
kevin pereira
It's a slow-mo tsunami.
It's like a slow-mo frozen tsunami.
Just like, later.
joe rogan
How powerful is that?
Have you ever been to the Great Lakes?
kevin pereira
No.
joe rogan
That's how powerful the industry is.
You have to go.
The Great Lakes are something to really wrap your head around.
I mean, the oceans really made me think, obviously, you know, everybody looks at the ocean and goes, wow, it's so big, that's amazing.
But until you see a freshwater ocean, and you go, that used to be ice, and it melted.
It used to be a giant sheet of ice, and that's why it's here.
I mean, the Great Lakes are magnificent.
They're amazing, man.
They're so fucking big.
kevin pereira
I was just near them, too, for a wedding.
I'm kind of pissed I didn't get out there.
joe rogan
Oh, you gotta go, man.
kevin pereira
But I had to see a Cracker Barrel, so we went out of the way to see that shit.
We flew into it.
I'm like, they frame their racists.
It's amazing.
joe rogan
They what?
kevin pereira
In the Cracker Barrel.
When you go inside, it's just photos of old slave owners just framed around watching you eat breakfast.
joe rogan
Really?
brian redban
I like the gift shop.
It's like all licorice whips and old school Amish games.
Did you see that shit?
Speaking of the Midwest, all the animals, have you seen all the photos and videos of all that?
joe rogan
Yeah, I put that on my Twitter.
What we were talking about is there was a guy in Ohio...
Who was running a wild animal preserve, shot himself, and released all the animals.
kevin pereira
I didn't know that was the catalyst.
joe rogan
He committed suicide.
He let all the animals go, and then he committed suicide.
Which is kind of interesting.
I wonder why the dude didn't let one of the animals...
kevin pereira
Did he leave a note?
Like, I can't imprison these guys anymore?
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Set them free.
I wonder why he didn't just let one of the tigers jack him.
If you're gonna kill yourself, why not just kill yourself by tiger?
That'd be wild.
kevin pereira
Well, when you have the option.
joe rogan
Hey, you're around these wild animals every day.
You know it'd be quick.
It wouldn't take long at all.
Just jump in their neck and go, WHAT, BITCH? WHAT? Yeah.
brian redban
There's something weird about the whole story, though, because, like, the sheriff knew him very well.
I guess he had to go up there all the time.
Like there was shit going on all the time with this guy and if you look at his house on Google Maps it's actually listed as a Harley like motorcycle shop So he had a farm is it like an illegal preserve he was running out the back like I don't think it was no I don't think it's illegal But so it's weird like I want to know the whole story like what this guy was going on this guy and now Jack Hanna the Columbus Zoo I
The zoo is overlooking this whole thing, but I was surprised that they couldn't, you know, I know they had to shoot a lot of them, but this seems like there's some of them they could have tried to tranquilize or something like that.
joe rogan
The police force didn't have a chance, man.
You know, what was going on?
brian redban
Yeah, but the zoo, honestly, is like 30 miles away from where this happened.
joe rogan
Yeah, but do you understand what I'm saying?
kevin pereira
Do they have the resources to get out there?
joe rogan
The animals were out, and there's people living there, and there's 40 fucking 50 animals, and tigers, and bears, and shit.
kevin pereira
This isn't Mountain Lion Poach's Poodle on Runyon Canyon.
joe rogan
If you go to my Twitter today, while we're recording this, a lot of people get this online, but today is October 19th, so if you go to my Twitter, on October 19th, I retweeted somebody about this.
The guy's name is Kenny Royer3.
brian redban
He looks like a winner, too.
joe rogan
He might be.
brian redban
Have you seen his face?
Here's his face right there on Ustream.
joe rogan
It's okay.
Anyway, I went to...
kevin pereira
What did he write?
joe rogan
Did he write a story about it?
No, he tweeted it to me and I retweeted it.
But there's a photo.
If you go to clevescene.com, I guess that's a Cleveland website, clevescene.com.
It's very graphic.
There's an image of all of these animals just laid out, murdered.
Tigers and bears, a bunch of them.
Lions.
kevin pereira
Were they all in a globe?
joe rogan
Yeah, they're all in a pile here.
They hunted them down.
The cops hunted them down and just shot them all.
You've got to think of what the cops are dealing with.
The cops are dealing with 50 fucking killers.
50 wild killers that are aggressive and they're wandering the streets.
I mean, they gotta do what they gotta do.
It sucks that these animals had to die, but you know what?
It sucks these animals were in a fucking cage in some asshole's backyard.
kevin pereira
How was one guy able to release all those animals?
Like, was there nobody else on this preserve?
joe rogan
I think it was his gig.
brian redban
He just unlocked them all.
I talked to my sister, who lives very close to this, and I said, you know, what are they saying to you guys?
And they're like, well, they're saying that they're shooting all the animals because they all have herpes and stuff, is what they're saying on the news.
unidentified
What?
brian redban
The animals are all infected with some kind of...
joe rogan
The last thing you have to worry about is a tiger with herpes.
kevin pereira
You don't know the way I think, dude.
I'm like, I have a chance to fuck a lion?
Later, bro.
I'm fucking YouTubing this.
joe rogan
Get some lion herpes.
Your dick looks like a cactus.
The dick just grows these cactus things off the side of it.
brian redban
Yeah, but I guess something about herpes, that's what they're saying.
joe rogan
No, I think your sister's crazy.
brian redban
No!
joe rogan
No.
unidentified
You don't believe me?
kevin pereira
Well, they might have been saying that to people, too, so they didn't feel like, oh, you're killing the tigers.
joe rogan
I know they treat people like they're idiots in Ohio, but they don't treat them like they're that stupid.
brian redban
Yeah, it says, Muskegon County Sheriff says monkey with herpes virus still missing.
kevin pereira
Oh, that's the one they haven't got yet?
joe rogan
Oh, you know what?
They probably don't want anybody to keep that monkey as a pet.
kevin pereira
Hell yeah.
joe rogan
Maybe that monkey knows things.
Maybe you get that monkey and that monkey's one of those fucking Planet of the Apes monkeys that starts talking to you.
kevin pereira
Did you see that remake?
joe rogan
They know that there's an alien coming.
They know that there's an asteroid.
You can't stop it.
The alien's going to land right before the asteroid.
There's a little monkey talking to you.
kevin pereira
Did you watch the Planet of the Apes remake?
Did you guys see that?
joe rogan
Yeah, and we talked about it a couple of times.
I liked it.
I liked the special effects.
It was badass.
It's fascinating.
When you talk about manipulating genetics, it's not outside the realm of possibility that they've already done something like that.
They've already created some sort of a chimpanzee-human being hybrid.
kevin pereira
Well, dude, the shit that they tell you they have done already, you know that there's a clone baby being monitored right now somewhere out there, and they're seeing exactly how that worked.
And genetically engineered kids out there, they're running tests on them right now.
That's absolutely happening.
joe rogan
I've always said that by the time they tell you that they're capable of making a clone, the guy telling you is probably a clone.
kevin pereira
Right.
joe rogan
There are clones.
kevin pereira
I'm the proof.
Here you go.
joe rogan
I wonder how far ahead they really are.
I would really love to know.
Every now and then I hear whispers of things, of technology, of military technology that's so far and above the realm of what we currently think is possible.
kevin pereira
We always hear, like, they have the satellites that can zoom in on a hot dog on your grill, and they had those in 1983, man.
Right.
They probably do.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
I've never seen any images from space that were really clear like that.
Like they could read a license plate.
I've never seen that.
kevin pereira
Well, there was a point in time where they had Google imagery quality map and you weren't able to see that.
unidentified
Really?
kevin pereira
And now we can see that and then we can see 3D versions of it and street views and all that other shit.
If we have access to that data, you know they've got better access than that.
They have to.
They've got to have real-time video something.
joe rogan
Yeah, there must be some...
kevin pereira
And I don't have...
Look, I have a tinfoil hat that says...
I bet they have it, but that's about it.
joe rogan
Well, when I was hanging out with my friend Mike Swick...
My friend Mike Swick's a UFC fighter who used to live in Russia.
And he was doing defense contractor work over there.
And they had an American building, and they would find bugs the Russians had installed in their buildings...
And he said they were so sophisticated.
It was so far above anything they'd ever seen before.
They had monitoring devices that were powered by the movement of the building.
kevin pereira
By the subtle vibrations.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
You know how buildings sway?
There's a subtle swaying back and forth?
That was powering these listening devices.
They were that sophisticated.
kevin pereira
That's like those shake-to-charge iPod holders.
But they have it on that level that they can get the sway of a building and a device low-powerful enough and mesh-networked enough to spread those ideas.
joe rogan
And that's how they were listening in on shit.
kevin pereira
China was just involved in a huge scandal for that.
Was it China or Korea?
That's bad that I don't know the difference for this article.
No, I know the difference of the places.
I don't know the source of the article.
joe rogan
Prepare for a shitstorm online.
kevin pereira
Yeah, bring it.
They already kicked my ass in StarCraft.
unidentified
Oh, wait.
kevin pereira
Which ones are those?
joe rogan
Those are Koreans.
kevin pereira
Thank you.
They had little bugs in cars, and they thought, they were like, listen, this is just tracking how often you drive for discounts or for, you know, carpool riders and help you get through the, it's like a fast pass lane kind of thing, right?
This will just help you get through the toll booth.
It had audio recording, and some said video recording built into the tiniest little bug that was sitting on their dash so that they could monitor everybody.
joe rogan
Dude, eventually someone's going to hack Apple and they're going to get into your fucking webcam.
brian redban
Your cloud.
They're going to get in your cloud.
joe rogan
A million people beating off videos of people sitting in front of their computers.
Your computer has a monitor on it.
Your computer has a camera on it.
And you're connected to the internet.
You're just assuming that nobody's watching.
You beat off like a lab rat.
brian redban
Right, right.
The Xbox.
No, all the Xbox cameras and all the laptop lenses...
But the thing I'm worried about is the photo stream.
And like you said earlier, off camera, that you turned off your photo stream, which is a new thing on the new iPhones and stuff like that.
It's the cloud, so every time you take a photo, it sends it to your home computer, it sends it to your iPad, it sends it to whatever.
And you can't delete the photos, which is really annoying.
joe rogan
What?
You can't delete them from your phone?
From the photo stream.
kevin pereira
You can't delete them from the photo stream?
brian redban
Yeah, you can't.
kevin pereira
I didn't know that.
brian redban
Yeah, it's like once it's in the photo stream, you can't delete it.
I don't know if there's a way to do it, but you try it on your phone or anything, there's no way to delete a photo.
joe rogan
What about on your home computer?
kevin pereira
I'm sure on your main computer.
Maybe on your main computer.
But think about that time you do snap a photo out at a party or something like that, and it's, oh shit, it's already on my photo stream, I can't get to my laptop.
joe rogan
And Mrs. Pereira opens up your laptop and says, God damn it, Kevin.
brian redban
Or Bobby, who's in his car sniping your Wi-Fi or whatever, now has all your photos.
joe rogan
Is that easy?
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Someone snipes your Wi-Fi.
They can't get your photos.
kevin pereira
There are applications.
I've run one at the airport in Vegas.
And you run it up on your Mac.
And you connect to the public Wi-Fi.
And as people browse Facebook and as GIFs and JPEGs pop in, it automatically reassembles them on the monitor for you.
So you can sit in the lobby of a small airport and just look around and see what everybody's looking at.
brian redban
One of my favorite things.
kevin pereira
Mac or PC? This was a Mac program.
I think it wasn't Kismet.
I'll give you the app.
joe rogan
So does everyone else have to be on a Mac or can they be on anything?
kevin pereira
No, if they're just connected to Wi-Fi and browsing certain services and certain packets are coming in, you can do that.
joe rogan
So PC or Mac, no matter what it is.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So that's not secure.
kevin pereira
It's the Wi-Fi.
joe rogan
So that's incredible.
So what you're telling me is you're a criminal.
You were committing a crime.
brian redban
No, because these photos are in the shared folder, right?
Is that what you're saying?
kevin pereira
Because these photos were being downloaded and uploaded potentially on a public, unsecured, well, you had to log in, but a public, you know, secured Wi-Fi spot.
brian redban
Right.
kevin pereira
But people were sending them.
joe rogan
It could be some dirty hooker who's got one of them Facebook pages that you have to get your friend to look at.
kevin pereira
Yeah, it absolutely could have been.
joe rogan
Showing some titty.
kevin pereira
It absolutely could have been.
joe rogan
You could have got that titty for free.
kevin pereira
That's what I'm saying.
brian redban
I have this video called Kitty Fart Cup.
And anytime I'm on the road with Joe, we're sitting at the airport.
I look at people with shared folders and stuff.
And I'll just drag this video into it.
I've done it like a million times.
kevin pereira
I do that every Comic-Con.
Every Comic-Con, I seed into public folders at the hotel.
Because if you're connected, never connect to hotel systems.
Never connect.
Don't connect to a hotel network.
That's like laying on the mattress naked.
You do not do that.
You're asking for people to fuck with your computer.
unidentified
Yeah.
brian redban
And the crazy thing is you could actually sit there and fuck people over by putting child porn on people's computers.
And then if that person gets arrested, oh, you have child porn on your computers.
joe rogan
They caught a guy doing that.
They caught a next door neighbor who had been terrifying these people for fucking years doing exactly that.
brian redban
Oh, right.
That's right.
joe rogan
He turned them in and this guy, their next door neighbor was terrorizing the whole fucking family.
kevin pereira
Do you know that there's a child pornography checksum database?
unidentified
What?
kevin pereira
So checksums are what you use.
It's like a file's ID. It's thumbprint.
So if you download a file and you want to make sure you got it exactly as it should be, it's a way of verifying the file to make sure no bits were altered or harmed in the transmission.
They have a database of every child pornography and illegal pornography video sorted by title with checksums so that way if the police are scanning Wi-Fi or get somebody's files from the internet they can match the checksum of the file on their hard drive to one that's already in the database and see if it's in there so they don't have to watch the video.
joe rogan
Whoa.
kevin pereira
But they've got that database already.
joe rogan
So it's impossible for another video to have the same amount of bytes?
What if it's the exact same amount of seconds and the same resolution?
kevin pereira
Well, it's also based off the content of the file as well.
So it's not just a length thing.
joe rogan
So it's not just a size.
There's an actual frequency?
kevin pereira
There's a thousand attributes that go into it, yeah.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
How are they reading that?
Just analyzing each and every individual file?
kevin pereira
I think this is pure conjecture, actually.
So I shouldn't be saying it.
But I would imagine if you're doing a checksum, it could just know that every 100 bytes, here's a character string here, so there's a check for it there.
Every x bytes, this is the character, like this is the hex, put it there.
I think it's way more elegant than that because I can already poke holes in that.
joe rogan
Well, think about how crazy Shazam is.
Think about that thing, that program where you go to a club and there's a song playing and you like the song, so you press Shazam, it sends a signal, and ten seconds later tells you what that fucking song is.
kevin pereira
Analyze the file, here it is.
joe rogan
And I'm not exaggerating.
If you've never used Shazam, it's fucking incredible.
It's ten seconds later.
Think of that.
It's basically the same thing.
kevin pereira
But they have that now for TV as well.
They have that for video.
They're going to have that for all that shit, like the image and app recognition engine.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
kevin pereira
Have you guys talked about Siri becoming Skynet?
joe rogan
No, we haven't.
brian redban
I talked about it.
kevin pereira
Do you want to hop into that?
joe rogan
Yes, please, because someone actually sent me something we had talked about on the show.
kevin pereira
Real quick, dude.
Sorry, just so I don't get raped on Twitter.
I believe you analyze the file locally and it spits out a checksum.
So it is checking every bit of the file.
And then you check that against the public checksum.
Just so I don't want to deal with those tweets tonight.
It's not in my soul anymore, man.
I'm just trying to help.
So with that said, I'm sorry.
joe rogan
Okay, so someone wrote that I said that Siri was based on Wolfram Alpha, but it's not exactly true.
kevin pereira
It incorporates Wolfram Alpha.
joe rogan
It's integrated, but this is where it gets crazy.
It's based on Callow, the cognitive assistant that learns and organizes from a company called SRI International.
And it was artificial intelligence augmentation software developed for DARPA. Right.
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.
That's like, those are the motherfuckers that really are Skynet.
kevin pereira
So if this is the version we have now, what's stopping them from tapping a phone line, grabbing a voice chat, taking the audio from this podcast and analyzing it in real time just like Shazam and pulling out those keywords and those context cues?
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
This is fascinating.
kevin pereira
Because we have the dumbed down version right now.
They've got the hot dog on the grill satellite version of it.
brian redban
I think 5 version.
kevin pereira
Yeah, why is it so crazy to think that?
joe rogan
Yeah, and this guy also wrote something about how Facebook was funded by TIA, Total Information Awareness.
kevin pereira
Facebook is starting their own super pack to lobby the government on privacy and information controls.
joe rogan
What?
kevin pereira
And what we should have rights to.
Because they want to own the rights to your usage data, your social graph, your preferences.
They want to own that data.
They essentially want to own your imprint online, right?
They want to own your browsing habits, where you shop.
They want to know what music you like.
They want to know what friends you connect with, where you go, who you share things with.
brian redban
I'm already my spacing Facebook lately.
kevin pereira
But I'm saying that you're kind of alone in that right now.
It's growing, right?
It's growing more and more.
They're integrating more and more.
brian redban
Do you think Twitter has kind of overtaken Facebook for the most part?
I know a lot of people...
I just tweet now.
joe rogan
Yeah, I know a lot of people that don't do Facebook anymore.
Well, the interesting thing about Twitter is it's more real-time.
You're responding to people back and forth.
It's in a very similar way to text messaging.
I mean, it's essentially for a lot of what I use it for.
I mean...
I throw things out there, interesting links, I retweet things, things I observe, photos I take, but I also go back and forth with people.
I'll shoot the shit with people, and it's people I would ordinarily never really get a chance to run into or meet.
brian redban
Like my ex-girlfriend.
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
Well, she tweeted something ridiculous.
kevin pereira
Yeah, it is facilitating a real-time conversation.
joe rogan
Are you upset that I said something to her?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Oh, you would prefer no one to communicate with her?
brian redban
No.
No.
Whatever.
So, here's my question.
joe rogan
You brought this up, so I have to say this.
This is what I said.
She, by the way, is a penthouse pet of the year.
Okay?
And she writes...
She's talking to another porno star...
And the other porno star says, I feel a bad cold coming on.
Who wants to make out?
And she says, I'll make out with your butt.
So I, on Twitter, say, wow.
Just wow.
That's the extent of my communication with her.
kevin pereira
Why are you trying to fuck his ex-girlfriend, Joe?
joe rogan
She says, what are you wowing?
I ignore it.
I just have to say wow.
If you run around tweeting to the whole world that you want to make out with a cold, carrying porn star's butt, I gotta wow you.
brian redban
Here's my question for Siri.
kevin pereira
Because you're trying to fuck her, Joe.
brian redban
Do you think that there is anybody at Siri that is continuing to add to the database?
Do you think they're looking at the top ten things that people are asking and going...
kevin pereira
Why does Siri need to connect to the cloud for anything that I do?
Even if it's a local operation, right?
Read my text messages.
Those are already on my device.
If I say, play Joe Rogan's podcast, it has to send it to the cloud first.
And they'll say, it's for voice recognition.
It's faster in the cloud than it does on your phone.
It's the program.
brian redban
It's the program itself.
The database has to be huge for Siri, wouldn't it?
kevin pereira
But for local things, it could store that.
It could totally do that.
And maybe they will in the future.
But I think the reason they're making everything go to the net is for the usage data.
Because then they can see what keywords are happening, what searches people are doing.
Absolutely, they can make it better.
But with great power comes great responsibility.
And what's crazy is that I had a friend that got mad at another friend for cursing at his Siri to be like, fuck you, Siri, you're a bitch.
And he took the phone away and he's like, dude, don't do that.
I don't want that in my profile.
And he was concerned about acting a certain way to a pretty dumb artificial intelligence.
brian redban
The murder thing?
I've thought about that.
I've thought about the murder thing.
kevin pereira
Well, now it's on file, dude.
Now it's on file.
brian redban
Did you do the president thing yet?
joe rogan
What are you talking about?
brian redban
Nothing.
kevin pereira
When you ask Siri a question, that's being stored somewhere.
That request is indefinitely stored in some log right now.
So if you ever are presumed you've murdered somebody or someone suspects you have a murder, they can now try it out on the stand.
You asked your cell phone where to hide a body.
unidentified
Exactly.
brian redban
I wonder if they have that.
I want to know, does Apple say anywhere in those terms and agreement that they're holding onto the data of what we're saying in Siri?
Is that one of the things?
kevin pereira
I'm sure.
I'm sure it says that it's for usage data.
Which, what does that mean?
brian redban
I wonder.
joe rogan
That is kind of crazy that they have to send it out to the cloud.
kevin pereira
Yeah.
Now, there's infrastructure reasons to do that.
There's also terrible usability reasons to not do that, being that if you have AT&T, half the time Siri doesn't work because you don't have a strong enough signal to get out to her.
What?
brian redban
Because we're faster.
kevin pereira
What?
We're faster when it's available.
I'm on AT&T, but it's still a shitty network.
There's no bones about that.
joe rogan
I couldn't do AT&T. I got a new iPhone, and he told me that AT&T changed their system so that they can get double the speed of downloads.
kevin pereira
It's not double.
brian redban
It could be.
kevin pereira
It's 3.5G. Whatever it is, it's excellent.
But LTE is going to blow that away.
The next iPhone with LTE on Verizon is going to be amazing.
joe rogan
I don't have that in my current one, but I do have Verizon, and I just was unable to pass on Verizon.
Verizon is just too good.
brian redban
Why I said double is I actually have my girlfriend's new phone, 4S, both on AT&T. They did both at the same time.
The 4S was double, the speed where I was at.
kevin pereira
That's great.
Which was my house.
That's in a really good area.
I mean, I don't get those speeds anywhere myself.
I still get drop calls in the canyons.
But...
I think you look at how, like, think about Siri as that API opens up.
Because right now I could say, show me a good steak restaurant.
And it'll do that.
It'll pop that up.
You know, then I could say, call that steak restaurant.
But once OpenTable supports it, I can say, hey, Siri, put me a reservation for four at six at that restaurant.
And it's just going to connect to the database, do it, there we go.
Invite my friends.
Invite Joe, you know?
brian redban
The texting alone, I think, is the best when you're just driving.
You push a button.
It was pretty accurate.
joe rogan
But Google has had that for a while.
brian redban
It doesn't work this good, though.
This works pretty damn good, though.
This works almost...
Perfect.
unidentified
Really?
brian redban
I'd probably fuck up more just doing it by hand.
joe rogan
I've tried the Google one.
kevin pereira
It's weird speaking into it because you've still got to kind of talk to it like a robot.
You can't be totally fluent with it.
And for grammatical things, I'm still a stickler with grammar even in text.
So I'll be like, hey Joe, comma, I'm going to be a little late, period.
Hope that's okay, period.
joe rogan
Does it write period and comma?
kevin pereira
It actually drops the period in there.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Have you ever tried writing like that?
I know they have the software.
kevin pereira
Like a dragon speaker.
joe rogan
Dragon naturally speaking.
kevin pereira
I've tried that before, but I write at a different pace with a different cadence than I speak.
So for me it was really disjointed.
I would say something and then be wanting to change that.
I edit as I write.
It's really a terrible way to write.
But doing that verbally was even harder.
My brain was already past the sentence and I was like, oh shit.
joe rogan
I agree with you.
As a matter of fact, I like the idea of it.
And what I had thought about doing was writing at the same time as running the program in the background.
So the program would pick up some of the words and some of the things that I would say.
So just in case, I couldn't remember what the fuck I had said while I was writing things.
But I agree with you.
There's an intention to actually physically typing out each individual letter.
The way I describe it is if you write the word occupy, it takes longer to write the word occupy than to know it.
Or to know what you're saying, to know what you're thinking.
So it forces you to think about things just a little bit longer, creatively.
To me, at least, it opens up different avenues for possibilities, for potentials.
The way I always get my biggest, like, uh, is when I'm writing.
I get them in ad-libbing on stage and stuff, but in actually sitting down and writing about something, that's when paths just appear.
Roads just show themselves.
kevin pereira
See, I get crippling anxiety.
I love to do it, and it's so releasing, but when I do it, I see those roads as highways that have sheer cliffs at the end of them, and I'm just, fuck, gotta commit one.
joe rogan
You gotta commit to one.
kevin pereira
That's not good writing music.
Do you listen to music when you write?
joe rogan
I try to listen to language that I don't understand.
I like Brazilian music, or Puerto Rican music, I like Spanish music.
kevin pereira
I can't do music with lyrics, even if I don't understand them.
joe rogan
I can do it in the background a little bit, as long as I don't understand it, or...
Sometimes, if I'm really high, especially on edibles, I'll pick one song and just throw that bitch on reboot, and I'll listen to the same song a hundred times in a row.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
So I wrote some of my best shit on a plane, blasted, listening to the same song over and over and over again.
brian redban
Have you heard the song Pumped Up Kicks?
I know you probably have.
joe rogan
Yeah.
brian redban
You know what that song's about?
joe rogan
We talked about this last podcast.
brian redban
I didn't know we talked about it.
joe rogan
Yeah, we talked about it.
We might have talked about it off the air.
brian redban
Yeah, I think we talked about it in the green room or something like that.
joe rogan
Oh, okay.
Oh, that's exactly what it was.
brian redban
The lyrics are all about Columbine.
That was a song I maybe listened to 10 times.
Loved the song.
And then Johnny Rotten told me, hey, that's all about Columbine.
And now it's even more crazy.
And I love the lyrics.
I mean, it's scary.
It's freaky.
kevin pereira
Yeah, absolutely.
And it's also crazy that people are just dancing around to it like it's pop music, too, without thinking about the lyrics.
joe rogan
Nam Pham came into the octagon with that.
kevin pereira
Oh, really?
joe rogan
That's what he was playing when he came into the octagon.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kevin pereira
Interesting choice.
brian redban
Run, baby, run out, run my bullet.
kevin pereira
I'll listen to, there's like a spectrum of, there's like a frequency spectrum that's supposed to induce that kind of zoning out, and I started writing with that lately.
It's pretty crazy.
Can't do it all the time.
If you search, it's like there's meditation videos, and it's like 900 and something hertz sine waves that kind of loop, but people have done, made them like pretty sounding, not just an annoying thing.
It's just filter sweeps through a certain band pass that triggers that sort of white noise effect.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
kevin pereira
It lulls you into meditative noise.
If you have headphones on, it's like binaural.
It's kind of cool.
joe rogan
So it's supposed to enhance creativity?
kevin pereira
No.
I think you like songs with properties sometimes that you just zone out on.
It's on a loop.
You let it go.
Sometimes.
joe rogan
I like to be inspired too, though.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
kevin pereira
That's why it's not for every writing moment.
But sometimes it's great to put on something that does kind of zone you out so you're only in that process.
That helps me because audible distractions knock me out like crazy.
joe rogan
Sometimes, yes.
Sometimes, no.
It really depends on where I'm at with writing, what I'm writing about.
Sometimes I need to be completely quiet, completely by myself.
Obviously, I'm a huge proponent of the isolation tank, and I come up with some of my best ideas.
kevin pereira
Still haven't done that.
I did it sober for an hour, and that wasn't enough.
joe rogan
Crazy.
I can't believe I'm talking to you.
That's one of the weird things that people talk about online all the time that listen to this podcast, is how many of my friends are all fucking psychedelic freaks.
They're trippers, and they've never tried the tank.
Dude, the tank is...
brian redban
And I live right by one.
joe rogan
You, you're crazy.
You need to get in there, dude.
You're just scared.
brian redban
I'm not scared.
I just don't have money to spend on...
joe rogan
I'll set it up.
I'll set it up.
I promise you.
I'll set it up.
We'll set it up this week.
I'll hook it up.
unidentified
I'll do it with you.
kevin pereira
If you're going to do it, I'll do it.
brian redban
We'll share one.
We'll share one.
kevin pereira
Double day, bro.
We'll stack it in.
joe rogan
You need to get in there, man.
Anybody who's analyzing any part of their mind, their thoughts, it's the most amazing tool ever.
kevin pereira
I started to feel it probably, I mean, what I imagined was 45, 55 minutes into it.
Even while sober, like, I really was like, okay, just let that shit go.
You know, lose track and control of where your fingertips end and the water begins.
Just shut all that shit out.
And I started to get there.
And I swear, the moment I was getting there, hatch open.
Like, your session's done.
I was like, oh, fuck.
unidentified
Yeah.
kevin pereira
I caught the bug, but I gotta get back in there.
joe rogan
It's just like, you know, we were talking to him in the kitchen before the show.
He was asking me about dreaming and, you know, what different nootropics that create or enhance the possibility of lucid dreaming.
kevin pereira
Right.
joe rogan
And the thing about the lucid dream is that it's really slippery because once you realize you're dreaming, you kind of wake up real quick.
And that's the thing about the tank.
It's like these states that you can achieve.
I've achieved some Could you see yourself?
with this indigenous population.
I don't know what their language was, but I understood it.
They were making a bunch of strange noises and sounds, and I was thinking in their language. - Could you see yourself?
Were you physically manifested in it?
I couldn't see myself.
I wasn't in a third-person shooter.
It was very first person.
I was walking around.
I remember feeling the dirt under my feet, feeling the leaves.
And these people were talking, and I was talking with them.
No, I wasn't talking with them.
I was understanding what they were saying.
And as I was understanding what they were saying, I was realizing, what the fuck?
I understand this, but I was saying that to myself in English.
And then I was like, what is this?
And then I was like, oh, this is a dream.
Boom.
And then it was over.
unidentified
Ah.
joe rogan
But the moment while it was happening, it was so amazing because it only lasted a couple minutes.
It was really brief.
But in that couple minutes, it was so crazy.
The idea, whatever it is, whether it's imagination, whether it's I mean, who the fuck knows what is stored in cells as they transfer from generation to generation to generation?
There may very well be some wacky fucking file deep in your hard drive and you just get in an isolation tank on a pot brownie and it just pops open this one little cartridge that you weren't supposed to access.
kevin pereira
Let's unencrypt that portion of your mental hard drive and just beam that experience.
joe rogan
And you're some little monkey person from 500,000 years ago walking through a rainforest speaking in some dead language.
kevin pereira
Before the cosmic reset.
That was one of those lives.
That was one of those checkpoints.
unidentified
Dude.
kevin pereira
Here you go.
joe rogan
It was one of the weirdest things.
The other weirder one is...
The other weirder one...
I've had hundreds of thousands of these.
Dicks.
Dicks, all dicks.
kevin pereira
Like you're just surrounded by dicks?
joe rogan
They have a dick inside of them and the dick comes out.
kevin pereira
The inception of penises?
joe rogan
The number one thing is that you can never quite get deep enough.
There's a bunch of videos of me talking about this online, but there's one of them that some guy made on YouTube.
Thank you, everybody, whoever does those fucking videos, and all you people who do them.
There's a bunch of people who do them and take little clips out of the podcast.
kevin pereira
Dude, your community does a phenomenal job of representing you and everything you say.
They do a really great job.
joe rogan
They're amazing.
I'm super fortunate.
I always say that, too, when I go to comedy clubs, too.
The people at comedy clubs always say the same thing.
You have the nicest fans.
I don't know how that happened.
Thank you very much.
I don't know what it is.
I guess you put it out there and you hope that people see it the way you see it.
kevin pereira
Or I think they respect if you don't see it the way they see it.
And I think they see that in you as well.
You're very respectful even if someone disagrees with you.
You're able to have that conversation.
When a large cross-session of society isn't.
That's why it's inspiring to see that your fans carry that with them in common.
I always have a good time chatting with your fans, always.
joe rogan
Really?
kevin pereira
That's awesome.
joe rogan
There's going to be cunts no matter what you do.
There's going to be a certain amount of people.
I wrote about this yesterday.
I was responding to a bunch of people who were being insulting.
You've got to learn how to communicate with someone as if they were right there.
So many people don't do that.
The built-in anonymity that the internet has, people have added it to their rights.
It's almost like you're allowed to be a cunt because you're anonymous.
There's a certain amount of disrespect that people are allowed to shine on people.
It's like, man, this is not necessary.
There was a conversation that Duncan and I were having and that some people loved and some people just did not love.
And some of the discussion about it was like, it was so bizarre how some people just have no problem just being completely fucking rude when they know that you're going to read it.
And they're talking about it in a way that's just...
Not even remotely considering how a person's going to receive it.
brian redban
It's the whole age thing, too.
I bet a lot of these people are like 13 and 14. You're right, yeah.
joe rogan
But there's no way we can stop that.
Unless we figure out some way to register.
I mean, we know that Wick was posting on my message board when he was 13 years old.
That's ridiculous.
kevin pereira
Is he one of the good ones?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's great.
He's actually going to be our science advisor.
When he graduates from school, I think I'm going to hook him up with a job, and he'll be our science advisor.
So many times we talk about shit and we don't know what the fuck we're talking about, and he's pulling his hair out in Houston, so we're going to have to hire him.
kevin pereira
Nice.
I was shocked at the anger and vitriol that even my fans had initially when I started talking about Occupy and started talking about other things.
joe rogan
Really?
kevin pereira
And I was a little shattered and it made me question, should I even be talking about this?
Should I be taking a stance?
And then I was like, no, absolutely I should be because I want to be.
And immediately when I started engaging in the conversations with the guys that were all caps, hatred, no matter what it was, like pretty much 99% of them Some people just want to get your fucking attention, - Well clearly, and clearly, clearly.
But this is the kind of thing though where, you know, you never know, so you have to engage.
You have to engage if people are like, well this is wrong and this is factually incorrect.
It's like, well, no, here's the story.
unidentified
Read it.
kevin pereira
Have you seen it?
You have to engage, because for every troll, there is one person who doesn't look up the information.
joe rogan
People love to be upset about shit, even if that shit has nothing to do with it.
I can't tell you how many fucking people are upset at this alpha brain shit, that I'm selling these nootropics, these vitamins.
kevin pereira
Why are they mad?
joe rogan
Just going crazy on Twitter about it's a placebo, you're ripping people off.
unidentified
It's not.
joe rogan
And this is what I said.
I said very clearly, and I repeat this at every fucking step of the way.
The proprietary blend that we have in that alpha brain is available online.
If you're interested and you're on a budget, please go to a vitamin store Or order the individual components online.
You can get it at a discounted rate.
You could probably save like 50% or something.
I don't know.
brian redban
If you buy a cheap shit.
unidentified
See, the big thing is that Aubrey's using all the good shit.
brian redban
So in the pills, it's the good shit.
joe rogan
It is the best stuff that we can sell.
It is the best stuff that's available.
brian redban
One thing I've noticed lately is...
joe rogan
Let me make one point, though.
I really...
My number one concern when I talk about anything that I like, anything that's benefited in my life, and know this, this is a true statement.
There's no exaggeration in this, no hyperbole whatsoever.
If I'm telling you about it, I want you to do it because I think it'll benefit you.
That's it.
I'm not trying to sell shit.
I have a fucking t-shirt line that I never bring up.
It's called higherprimate.com.
I fucking never bring it up.
I wear the t-shirts every now and then.
I want people to buy them if you like them.
I see people with them at shows.
I think it's cool as fuck.
I'm not trying to make a ton of money on it.
If you like them, I like them.
I thought it'd be cool to have some funky t-shirts of monkeys and psychedelics.
Nobody had them, so I decided to make my own company.
It's that simple.
I'm not...
I make plenty of money doing stand-up and from the UFC. I would never get behind anything that I didn't believe in.
kevin pereira
It surprises me though that you have to explain that to your viewers.
unidentified
My God!
joe rogan
Not just have to explain it.
Get in fucking furious arguments with people about the efficacy of these things where you can't give them enough scientific information.
Well, this one's for Alzheimer's patients.
You're telling me that something that benefits Alzheimer's patients can't possibly benefit people?
So it has an effect on their mind, but it won't have an effect on a healthy mind.
It's a fucking placebo.
Some guy said, you know what's better than that?
Sleep and exercise.
Yeah, but guess what, fuckface?
You can have sleep and exercise and vitamins.
And vitamins.
Don't tell me that vitamins don't work because they do work.
Vitamins are excellent.
I have vitiligo.
It's a skin condition where I lose pigment.
You can see it in my knuckles.
My vagina.
Yeah, but I only have it in a little couple spots, and it stopped.
You know why it stopped?
Vitamins.
I got heavily into vitamins.
When I first came to California, I was under a tremendous amount of stress.
I had never been on TV before, and I noticed I'd get these white spots on my skin.
I was like, what the fuck is this?
And they started spreading, man.
I started going to doctors.
I was going to different vitiligo specialists, and I would have to take these things called sorolens, and they were pills that made me super sensitive to light, and then I'd have to get in like, it's almost like a tanning booth, but you only go in there for three minutes.
kevin pereira
Were they trying to tan the pigment back?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
It shocks the system where the parts that are losing pigment, it can bring them back to life.
And it works in a certain way.
I re-pigmented it.
kevin pereira
So it shocked your melatonin and it'd be like, come on.
joe rogan
Sort of.
I don't know the exact science behind it.
But I had areas that lost pigment and brought them back.
But you know what stopped all of it?
Completely stopped in its tracks.
Vitamins.
100%.
kevin pereira
100%.
It's because you believed in those vitamins.
joe rogan
People are assholes.
Listen, man.
Vitamins fucking work.
A healthy diet works.
Vitamins work too.
All of it works.
And people go, what about soybeans?
Show me the soybeans.
Where do you think they got the vitamins?
Witchcraft, you fuck?
kevin pereira
Did you talk about that?
joe rogan
They're extracting vitamins from food and the way they're doing it is a scientific method.
They've done this.
They've applied scientific principles to extracting vitamins and they sell these fucking vitamins.
If you don't believe in alpha brain or you don't believe in vitamins, that's good for you.
But if you're fucking fighting people tooth and nail on something that they absolutely believe in, you're just trying to fight, man.
And I guarantee you most likely what it is with a lot of these people is they're not happy with their own life and they're probably smart, but they're fucked up.
And what they're doing is...
They're focusing something, whether it's online, whether it's an argument, whether it's trying to win a flame war or whatever.
And that becomes their distraction from their miserable existence, their garbage piling up in their fucking kitchen, their bills, their phone ringing off the hook.
kevin pereira
It sounds like the kind of person who could use a little faith in a placebo rather than being against it.
If it works, go with it.
joe rogan
But here's the sad part about it, the really sad part about it.
Some of these people are very fucking smart.
They're very interesting.
The points that they make, even though they're nonsense points, they're very eloquently stated.
They're argued very well.
There's a very professional tone to the way they're writing things.
I'm like, this is like a guy who, you know, obviously there's something wrong with this person.
They're really going after this.
kevin pereira
Or he's just as passionate as the facts that he's collected to support his opinion.
joe rogan
No, not these people that I'm talking about.
There's no facts.
They had no personal experience whatsoever on these things.
kevin pereira
I'm not speaking for those people.
I'm just saying that I've ran across this where data is the easiest fucking thing in this world to manipulate.
Any study can be skewed.
You can prove that global warming doesn't exist.
You can prove pretty much whatever you want with numbers, the way you skew them.
unidentified
Sure.
joe rogan
My point, though, was that obviously they're powerful.
This is a good version of a human.
This isn't a dope.
This isn't some fucking ditch-digging shithead.
kevin pereira
You wish that they were donating their processes to a more positive cause as opposed to being so negative.
joe rogan
It's fascinating that that would be a subject that would drive you nuts, whether or not vitamins work.
You know, when they're on brain vitamins, we're like, what a weird thing to get all hyped about.
kevin pereira
He might be idolizing you, though, and this is something that he believes, though, and so this one issue with you has now shattered that, and he has to prove you wrong on it.
joe rogan
It could be that.
kevin pereira
He could be just a hyperfan, or he could own 40 cats.
joe rogan
Or they could be a contrarian.
There's some people that are just fucking contrarians.
Or 14. I don't think they're 14. I think there's a lot of older folks.
I don't know.
It doesn't matter.
The point is, the way the internet is set up now, the anonymity that's built in, it's so easy for someone to be a twat.
It's so easy.
There's virtually no repercussions.
But slowly, that's going to change.
And you better brace for it, okay?
Because the shit's going to come down on all you fuckheads, because you're not going to be anonymous very much longer.
Suckboy69 on fucking Reddit or whatever the hell message board you act like a shithead on.
You go on the underground forum on MixMartialArts.com or on my own message board.
You're not going to be anonymous that much longer.
It's really inevitable.
There's a clear trend, and that trend is connectivity.
That trend is an interlacing of information, and you're not going to be able to avoid all the aspects of your life.
kevin pereira
That's why I wrote a Wired article aimed at Anonymous, which I know was opening up the floodgates for me to just be attacked, but my message to them was, hey guys, listen, I know it's fun to deface websites, and I know it's fun to hack Twitter accounts, but you need to, maybe you're younger, maybe you just don't give a fuck, maybe you really are doing it for the lols, but You need to not get busted for the simple, trivial shit right now, trolling people online and putting out their data, because we need you for the fight, the real fight, you know?
brian redban
Yeah, LulSec just got turned in by an anonymous website proxy.
They were like, oh, wait a second, yes, we definitely do this, but in our thing it says don't do anything illegal, and...
Here, we're giving the cops the information, so they all got arrested.
There's people that hacked, what was it, PlayStation?
joe rogan
Well, the real issue is, just like Occupy Wall Street, who's in Anonymous?
Who's in LulSec?
It's an open door.
Who's on my message board?
It's an open door.
Any crazy asshole can join up.
kevin pereira
Certainly.
Someone could deface a website in the name of Anonymous, and you never know.
And that's absolutely happening now.
There was a fake anonymous video posted to have a hack Wall Street day.
And it was like on a Monday, it was on a holiday.
And everybody said this is clearly a plant because anonymous would never be so stupid as to attack the markets on a holiday when the markets aren't that volatile.
And they would never post it in these ways.
And people are already...
It's agent provocateurs.
Just like the guy in the Citibank, they're doing that out at the fucking rallies.
They're doing that as hacking.
What is this madness here?
joe rogan
Those motherfuckers.
Does anybody want an energy drink?
unidentified
That'd be awesome, man.
joe rogan
This is my friend Tom Atencio, the guy who was one of the original creators of Affliction.
He left Affliction.
He doesn't work for Affliction anymore, so I stopped wearing their shit because he's my friend.
brian redban
Sweet logo, though.
I like that.
joe rogan
And now he created Limelight Fusion Energy drinks.
They're pretty fucking delicious.
They're healthy, too.
unidentified
Are they?
joe rogan
Yeah, I just started drinking them.
He just sent me a box of them.
But there's ginkgo biloba in them and ginseng and 250% of the vitamin B6, 100% of the niacin, and 800% of your vitamin B12 for the day.
So there's a lot of good stuff in it.
It tastes good too.
brian redban
Mix that with some vodka later.
kevin pereira
So if I drink this rocket fuel right now, am I going to be up until 8am?
joe rogan
No, it's not that bad.
It's not like a Red Bull.
But, by the way, I should state that I have a high tolerance to caffeine.
In fact, I quit caffeine for a day.
I took yesterday off and I had a headache.
brian redban
Really?
joe rogan
This is my first cup of coffee of the day.
This is my first cup and I'm okay today.
But that's usually how it is for me.
I've done this before, especially when I'm writing a lot.
I drink a lot of coffee and then the next day I have a headache.
I need a cup of coffee.
But if I take a full day and go through the full day and drink a lot of water, the next day it's pretty much gone.
It's like one day.
kevin pereira
That's pretty good that you can cycle back down that quickly.
joe rogan
That's my only addiction.
I have a physical addiction to caffeine.
But it's not a physical addiction where it's painful or it's like a terrible itch.
It's just like a, oh, I don't feel so good.
But you know what cures that?
Fucking serious, ruthless workout.
Just get a maniac, caveman, savage, adrenal pumping, testosterone bleeding workout.
Just where you fucking go full grape ape on something.
And then it just resets your system.
And then water's fine.
kevin pereira
I've tried to do that hungover before, and it's just shattered my body for like three or four weeks.
joe rogan
When you work out?
kevin pereira
Yeah.
I've been like, oh, I'm a little hungover.
I'm a lot hungover.
I'm going to go to the gym and sweat it out, get those toxins out, but I push it way too far, and it shatters my immune system for like three weeks.
It's terrible.
joe rogan
Best formula I've ever found for hangovers is this fucking alpha brain shit and coconut juice.
I love coconut juice, and a lot of people don't, and I'll tell you what, this brand, I'm not going to mention the name, not so tasty.
brian redban
Yeah, it's not that good.
joe rogan
It's not that good, but...
brian redban
I think C2O's the best, or Amy and Brian's pretty good also.
C2O is probably the best.
joe rogan
C2O is the best, and they send it to us.
kevin pereira
So you're saying take one of the placebos, one of those alpha brands, and then chug it with some coconut juice.
joe rogan
This is the shit.
C2O is fucking delicious.
And I know a lot of people say, uh, I've tried coconut.
It tastes like dirty dishwater.
I hear you.
Some brands actually do.
This brand is fucking delicious.
And the reason I got hooked on this brand, we were at Jiu-Jitsu, and one of our buddies brought a whole case of it.
And apparently in Brazil, they drink a lot of coconut water.
And we were having a Gi day.
You know, 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu, we roll without a Gi.
The Gi is like the traditional uniform of Jiu Jitsu.
But the idea that Eddie had was that, you know, first of all, in no Gi competitions, a lot of the techniques of Gi Jiu Jitsu don't work.
And in mixed martial arts, you obviously don't have a Gi.
So you should learn.
With the Gi, you grab people easier.
There's more traction.
It's easier to hold on to people.
kevin pereira
It's easier to get them to grab you, which is half the battle, right?
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
That's Hoist Gracie's strategy.
He would fight with a gi on, and strikers would grab him.
They couldn't help it.
So anyway, they drank a lot of coconut juice.
So we had a gi day, and he brought a bunch of coconut juice out of respect for Brazilians, because they love to drink coconut juice.
And he goes, you want to try one?
And I'm like, okay, just be nice.
I'm like, coconut juice tastes like shit, right?
But I drank this stuff.
I was like, fuck, this is delicious.
It's like the perfect flavor.
kevin pereira
Does it have like the coconut pulp in it?
No, no, no, no.
Because I had one like that, and I'm like, that's not...
I'm not alright with that.
Not alright with the coconut pulp.
joe rogan
Yeah, this one is so much better than this one.
brian redban
Oh, it's way better.
joe rogan
They're totally...
I don't know what the fuck they're doing.
C2O, email me.
Tell me what the fuck you're doing.
Why is your coconut juice...
Do you put sugar in here, bitch?
kevin pereira
Unicorn semen.
brian redban
Hey, what's the calories?
joe rogan
Unicorn semen.
He snuck that in there, and he wasn't even going to call it.
brian redban
What's the calorie difference on that?
joe rogan
Oh, I don't know, man.
I don't read that shit.
brian redban
They sell it on Amazon.
C2O, that's where I get it.
You could have it signed up so they send you a whole case like every week.
That's what I do.
joe rogan
God damn, I got Amazon one click on my phone.
That shit is so addictive.
I'll have a thought in my head.
Socks.
Anything.
I don't know.
I impulse buy everything, man.
Rolling papers?
I buy my rolling papers.
kevin pereira
On Amazon?
brian redban
I got something you got to do then.
joe rogan
Although, I'm going to stop being a medical marijuana patient.
brian redban
Why?
joe rogan
I'm going to stop smoking marijuana.
Because you can't have a gun anymore.
You can't have a gun or bullets.
The federal government is saying that you cannot have a gun or bullets because the federal law dictates that marijuana is a Schedule I substance.
And so when you apply to the alcohol, tobacco, and firearms for a gun, to get a permit to buy a gun...
You have to say that you are a user of marijuana.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
So they'll turn away your permit for that?
So I have to quit weed.
brian redban
Did they check the medical database though?
joe rogan
I'm going to go to whiskey, buddy.
The medical database, dude, doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter.
Listen, the ATF does not fuck around.
kevin pereira
Right.
If you lie on your form that you don't smoke weed and they come to your house and there's weed in the gun, that ain't going to end well.
joe rogan
That's how they got Al Capone.
They got him for tax evasion.
They didn't get him for running whiskey and shooting people in the head.
kevin pereira
Is that retroactive?
I don't know.
Because I own several firearms.
Thankfully, I don't smoke pot, but if I did, I'd be really concerned right now.
joe rogan
Exactly.
I stopped smoking pot.
brian redban
You squares.
I'm here with a bunch of squares.
joe rogan
It's disgusting.
I pay my taxes.
I'm a fucking constitutional-believing American.
Constitutional believing?
That doesn't even make sense.
kevin pereira
It did to the people you were firing up.
joe rogan
This is what I'm saying, goddammit.
You should be able to have fucking guns and enjoy a little weed.
And who do I want with a gun?
Do I want a guy on pain pills?
On fucking Ambien?
Do I want a guy who's drinking whiskey?
Or do I want a guy who's high and paranoid and is not going to shoot anybody?
That's the guy I want.
kevin pereira
Leave out the paranoid part.
Leave out the paranoid part.
joe rogan
Paranoid people are going to hide.
They're not going to go shooting people.
They're not going to rush into violence if you're paranoid.
You're like, let me get the fuck out of here, man.
What if they shoot back?
I don't think that marijuana inhibits your judgment to the point where having a gun, it makes it prohibitive or it makes it dangerous.
I think, if anything, it's going to make you a scaredy cat.
It's going to make you nervous.
It's going to make you more sensitive to the possibilities of hurting somebody or hurting yourself.
kevin pereira
Yeah, but they're going to point to the one dude who has a bad trip and thinks he's seeing shit off of an edible and starts shooting somebody.
That's going to happen.
joe rogan
That's bad science because what about the million people that don't pull their guns out because they are high?
Right.
And then just say, let's just let this go.
kevin pereira
But any number can be manipulated.
I mean, it's clearly no worse than being able to drink at a bar and have a shotgun rack on your truck when you're driving home.
unidentified
No shit.
kevin pereira
No different than places that allow that.
That's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
It's fucking crazy.
It's fucking un-American, man.
It's un-American to step in and say that if you want to have...
Something that the states have voted on and you have a goddamn right.
Their state's rights are supposed to supersede federal rights.
You're supposed to be able to decide what you can and can't use.
And the state comes along and says, you know what?
We've looked at all the information and guess what?
There's a lot of people with glaucoma, a lot of people with cancers, a lot of people with anxieties, a lot of people with all sorts of different fucking ailments.
Marijuana helps them.
kevin pereira
There's a lot of people who know why it's illegal and think it's fucked up and want to get high.
I shouldn't need glaucoma.
I don't want to smoke weed.
joe rogan
Yeah, the bottom line about marijuana, this is the bottom line.
This is one way to look at it.
My friend Todd McCormick brought this up.
He said it's a commodity.
It's no different than corn or apples or pork bellies, and it should be considered as a commodity.
And if it is considered as a commodity, then you have to look, well, why is this commodity being kept from the marketplace?
Who's benefiting?
And follow the fucking money.
Follow the money trail.
Because guess what?
There's not a goddamn thing in the world that's useless, that makes no money, that people are beating down the doors trying to make illegal.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There's not a single one.
There's not a single one.
It has to be worth something to somebody to keep that shit illegal.
That's the only way they spend money on it.
kevin pereira
Well, it clearly is.
It's the prison industrial complex.
The cops who enforce this shit that don't want to lose their jobs.
Even though many of them now are for it.
joe rogan
Most cops are.
In this day and age, when you get a fucking person on television who represents the United States government and they start talking about going after real estate owners for renting out property to these cannabis shops, they're going to steal their fucking property.
The government's going to come in from hardworking Americans who put their fucking businesses for rent.
They buy a place.
They say, well, now I'll rent this place out and I'll make myself a nice little profit.
kevin pereira
What do you do?
joe rogan
Oh, you sell medical marijuana legally under state guidelines.
Okay.
Well, there is Proposition 215. It was passed in 1994. That's been a long time.
It's been legal in the state.
So go ahead and do your business.
And the federal government comes in and says, no, we're going to steal your fucking house because you rent it out to someone who sells pot.
Fuck, man.
And people will say, why do you tweak out about this stuff?
Why do you let it bother you?
Because it is the ultimate fuck!
It's the ultimate ridiculous thing.
You have a plant that's literally one of the most beneficial plants on Earth!
And I'm not even talking about the psychoactive portions of it.
I'm talking about the use of it.
First of all, it contains all the amino acids.
You can eat it.
It's high in protein.
Hemp protein is like some of the best protein you can get.
You can make oil out of this shit.
You can make fucking biodiesel out of this shit.
You make superior paper out of this shit.
You make clothes out of this shit that's way stronger than cotton.
It sounds fake.
When you start listing all the different cool shit that you can make with it, it literally sounds like you're lying.
It sounds like you're bullshitting.
kevin pereira
Wait, this has completely better properties than anything else on the market?
Yeah, absolutely it does.
But wait, it grows in any weather condition for the most part?
unidentified
In any soil?
joe rogan
Think about all the trees that get chopped down to make paper.
How much fucking paper we use every day.
You can make four times as much paper in the same acreage of marijuana and it grows back in six months.
kevin pereira
It grows back right there.
unidentified
Right away!
joe rogan
Instead of 20 fucking years or whatever the hell it takes to grow back your paper for trees, it's amazing.
It's one of the prime fucks, and it's one of the things that has to be addressed.
kevin pereira
And even if you disagree, I'm sorry, but even if you disagree with what it can do or why it can do it or the propaganda out there, and even if you feel reed for madness and drugs, drugs, drugs, the sheer violation of rights...
When the federal government comes in and, as you said, boots you out of your fucking business that you put your neck on the line for and try to do legally, according to state law, that should have everybody enraged, regardless of what the subject is.
joe rogan
And not only that, how about prioritizing our fucking problems?
We're living in a day and age where there's rampant crime all over the place.
People are getting carjacked and shot and you look at the fucking murder rate in Los Angeles.
20 million fucking people stuffed into one small area and traffic and nonsense and car theft and home invasions.
You look at all that and you're telling me that you need civil servants to go after a plant that makes people silly?
You're going to waste our fucking tax dollars arresting people for selling silly plants, for selling plants that make food taste better, make sex taste better, make movies more awesome.
Really, you fuckheads.
It's the ultimate fuck you.
It's the ultimate power move.
It's the ultimate this is not a free country move.
It really is.
kevin pereira
And yet it's happening.
joe rogan
And yet it's happening.
kevin pereira
So now what?
joe rogan
Well, now what is Occupy Wall Street is now what?
Now what is the bubble has burst?
kevin pereira
When Occupy starts having signs that say, give us back our weed, then they're going to try to roll on the movement and say that it's just another hippie movement.
All these kids want are their fucking drugs.
joe rogan
They're not going to be able to do that.
I think it's too late for that.
I think it's already gotten too big.
kevin pereira
I don't think it's gotten big enough with the people who need to believe it's for them.
joe rogan
Well, it's got to get bigger.
kevin pereira
Right, but is it going to get bigger because they're going to put their ad dollars behind portraying the movement as a pro-weed, this is what they care about movement?
Isn't this an excellent move?
joe rogan
That's going to marginalize people at this point in time.
50% of Americans in the most recent Gallup poll said that they want marijuana legal.
That's higher than it's ever been before.
It's the first time ever that it's passed the people that want it illegal.
unidentified
46%.
kevin pereira
But there might still be half the country, though, that is like, fuck you, that shit needs to be illegal.
That's what you hippies are about?
Forget it.
And it divides us up into teams again.
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
I don't think so.
I don't think that's going to be the boiling point or rather a leverage point.
kevin pereira
Just like they don't have a leader, there's not going to be one thing.
They're going to attack this thing for every fucking reason they can.
joe rogan
What I'm saying is I don't think it's a good point.
The marijuana point is not a good point because most people think it should be legal.
kevin pereira
Half of the people think it should.
Half of the people believe it should be illegal.
So you just lose half of the country right there by making this about that one moral issue.
Then you pick out another issue, then you pick out another issue, and another issue.
unidentified
That's a good point.
kevin pereira
That's what I'm saying.
joe rogan
That's a good point.
kevin pereira
It marginalizes the whole thing.
joe rogan
That's a good point, but I think there's enough people that do believe at this point that other people are going to have to start listening.
Because there's enough people like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, intelligent Republicans, that are really pragmatic, thoughtful people that can tell you why it should be legal.
kevin pereira
But does he stand a snowball's chance in hell of being elected and affecting any change?
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Well, affecting change for sure.
You know, Ron Paul is probably doing more impact socially than any other candidate besides the people that win.
kevin pereira
I absolutely agree on that.
He got a partial audit of the Fed.
But can you believe that they put in...
joe rogan
How about what they found out?
kevin pereira
Trillions of dollars that were not accounted for.
More than our debt.
Over the history of this country, they lent out, without any debates, without any notification, they lent out more money than the history of the debt of our country to bankers to bail them out.
They gave us one amount and then said, okay, here you go, here you go.
Bail out the countries worldwide.
Just go, just go.
joe rogan
And that was on a partial audit.
Yeah, partial audit.
Most people don't even understand when you hear about the Federal Reserve System.
kevin pereira
It's not federal.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a private company.
kevin pereira
The line is, it's as federal as Federal Express.
It's a private company run for profit.
joe rogan
It's so hard to believe that our money is all being handled by foreign banks.
I mean, what a mindfuck that is.
kevin pereira
Every dollar that you work your ass off to earn has debt already tacked onto it to somebody and you don't even know it.
joe rogan
But how is that possible that they can call it the federal bank?
I mean, that is crazy.
That's like calling a company that breaks into your house movers.
kevin pereira
Right.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
It's like, how are you calling it that?
How is that legal?
You know, how is it legal to call that the Federal Bank, the Federal Reserve?
kevin pereira
Because I think they were the reserve for the Federation, right?
I mean, that was what they were.
They were like, well, when this country is in dire straits or there's a market spike or the next depression is going to happen, we're going to be there to make it all right by printing money.
We're going to be the bank that lends money to the country.
joe rogan
What's amazing is when someone's running for president and they meet with the Bilderberg group, just out in the open.
They just go and meet with them.
And, you know, they have these fucking meetings and it's all online.
kevin pereira
I want to chat with you for a few minutes if that's all right.
joe rogan
Bill Clinton, running for president, met with the Bilderberg group.
Vote on that guy.
Meanwhile, they probably all meet with him, you know?
unidentified
Clearly.
joe rogan
Figure out who's the best puppet.
unidentified
Clearly.
joe rogan
Has that ever been more...
kevin pereira
And that's so frustrating with Obama right now.
Yeah.
Because...
joe rogan
I was just going to ask you that.
Has it ever been more evident?
kevin pereira
So clear.
And I was duped.
I was fucking duped.
I was sold on the hope and change.
And the reason I was duped was not because I wanted to believe in the posters, but because I looked at where the money came from.
And it came from guys like me.
unidentified
Yeah.
kevin pereira
I don't know if it came from you or you, but it came from individuals.
It wasn't so much from the corporations.
unidentified
I wonder if it even did.
kevin pereira
There was some there.
joe rogan
I wonder if it even did.
I mean, who the fuck is auditing where the money comes from?
kevin pereira
There's a couple sites that look at donations and whatnot, but that's never fully...
Do they have it all down?
No.
I mean, there's always back channels.
And so, for all I know, yes, the corporations could have totally put them in there.
But I know that I donated, and I know a lot of other people donated, and so the sentiment amongst...
Guys like myself who feel like sheeps now.
The sentiment was, hey, the people are putting him here, so he's got the chance for the hope and change.
He's going to fuck those banks over.
He's going to get us out of those wars like he said.
He's going to do this, that, the other.
And I thought because, well, my money went to put that there, and so did millions of others of Americans.
He's going to feel beholding to us.
joe rogan
He just escalated everything.
kevin pereira
Escalated everything.
Continued the same policies right away.
joe rogan
More people are being spied on than ever.
unidentified
More.
kevin pereira
More civilization is happening.
Guantanamo's not fucking closed down.
We're still in wars.
joe rogan
Remember that?
We're going to close down Guantanamo Bay.
kevin pereira
Oh, listen, it's a logistics thing.
We've got an Excel spreadsheet.
It's going to take us like a year to figure it out, guys.
joe rogan
Yeah.
kevin pereira
No, you're not closing that motherfucker down.
joe rogan
Yeah, meanwhile...
kevin pereira
You're clearly not.
And then taking the guys who are responsible for defrauding the nation, these guys from J.P. Morgan, from Citibank, from Goldman Sachs, from Bank of America, and putting them in positions of power, in positions where they can control the money.
You put those guys in power, the ones that literally fucked this country by selling faulty mortgages and betting against their own customers.
joe rogan
That's the crazy shit.
kevin pereira
Like betting against them, selling you shit in a box, putting a AAA rating on it, and saying, dude, this is so secure, you're gonna love this shit.
Oh yeah, we bet against it, and now it's gonna fail.
And then you're gonna give me the money to bail me out?
He put those motherfuckers in his cabinet.
I'm happy Don't Ask, Don't Tell got repealed, but you got some fucking work to do if you want to get my vote.
joe rogan
That's a crumb.
That's what I mean.
You're allowed to be our hired killer even if you're gay.
Congratulations, the world's perfect now.
kevin pereira
We need those numbers up.
joe rogan
We don't need gay people killing people.
We don't need any new people killing people.
kevin pereira
I was out at the rally with a sign that said, Wall Street wants to gay marry your illegal abortions.
And people were like, are you trolling this event?
What are you doing?
And I'm like, no, no, no.
I'm saying that, like, someone might see this and get outraged.
And the statement that I'm trying to make, which was woefully missed, I get it now.
But the statement I was trying to make was that the same anger you have for moral issues, you need to apply to the issues that are the fundamental problems right now, in my opinion.
It's not those little moral issues that are on the side that you're being offended by right now.
It's these bankers that took the fucking money.
It's the government that's bought by the bankers.
It's the police force that's being paid by them to stifle your rights to protest.
It's all that shit.
Like, if that foundation crumbles, we won't be able to have the conversations about the moral shit that you want to have a conversation on.
That just won't exist anymore.
joe rogan
I had to read Matt Taibbi's articles about every single aspect of it.
kevin pereira
I want him to lead this movement even though they can't have a leader.
joe rogan
I had to read them ten fucking times just to even understand all the bullshit that exists behind the scenes.
Derivatives and shorting.
It's so hard to believe that there's an economy based on gambling, that things are going to fail, and that that is a hundred times larger than the actual economy.
kevin pereira
Right.
It's all based on speculation.
joe rogan
Wrap your fucking head around that!
kevin pereira
It's like, I get to bet on a horse in the race.
I get to bet that that horse isn't going to finish the race.
And I get to put the horse in that race.
I know he's not going to finish.
And I'm going to tell you, this is going to be the number one horse.
You're going to be super secure.
Give that money with me.
There we go.
And horse dies on the fucking first lap.
And nobody, since the savings and loan scandal, which is a fraction, the savings and loan scandal was a fraction of this fraud movement.
Enron was a fraction of it in terms of detriment to the country and homes and our budgets.
Fraction.
And not one person has been investigated or put away.
joe rogan
How gross is that?
kevin pereira
Yeah.
unidentified
What a weird, weird world we live in.
joe rogan
We are literally being sucked dry by financial vampires.
It's like there's a vampire colony that's preying on our people, but the way they're doing it, instead of sucking blood out, they're sucking money out.
And they live in these opulent castles that you can go nowhere near, and there's armed guards and fucking fences, and they're sleeping in their coffins, and they're just Socking money out of it.
And they're doing it, and they're doing it legally somehow or another.
They're donating money to the cops, $4.6 million to the cops, so they can fucking keep them away from them while the protests are going on.
Fuck, man!
kevin pereira
It's insane.
Have you ever seen The American Dream, the animated cartoon?
joe rogan
No.
kevin pereira
It explains the Fed in a very simple, beautiful way.
Inside Job was a great one for that.
Now people are starting to get aware of that.
joe rogan
Inside Job's amazing.
kevin pereira
Inside Job's phenomenal.
But again, I had to watch it 40 times.
joe rogan
By the way, it's a documentary.
Yeah, exactly.
But how amazing is it when that guy's questioning all these different professors that now, these guys, they become professors and then they get jobs working for the government.
So when they're professors, they say shit that turns out to not be fucking true at all.
They say shit that enables businesses to get away with creepy things because, well, we went to this financial expert and this is what his opinion is.
He's like, hey, everything's going to be cool.
And they're like, hey, he said everything's going to be cool.
He's got a PhD.
And then it turns out this cocksucker goes and starts working for the federal government afterwards or starts working for some big corporation afterwards and gets some cushy ass fucking job and is making X millions of dollars per year because of his decisions that he made that support these fucking vampire criminals.
kevin pereira
It's the same revolving door with the SEC right now.
Like the guys are supposed to be regulating Wall Street and putting cases, you know, up to the government so they can actually enforce them.
They know that if they don't prosecute, if they don't do anything, There's going to be a revolving door.
When they're done with their two or three years, they can hop right on over and work for the guys that they were supposed to be investigating.
There's no laws against that.
joe rogan
What's going to happen?
This is what we all see.
We all see Occupy Wall Street.
We all see people freaking out.
We all see how many people are like us all across the country.
What is this?
This is just a conversation between friends.
How many friends are sitting around smoking a joint, drinking a couple of beers, having the same fucking conversation, spitting at each other in a bar somewhere, going, these motherfuckers!
What's going to happen?
Where's this go?
kevin pereira
It's a great question.
joe rogan
Because it's more than ever before.
It's more than at any time in my life.
This is like...
We are right now at Vietnam protest levels.
We're at the state where you see that girl get maced in New York and you hear that that guy only got fucking 10 days of vacation time removed from...
You're like, how is that guy allowed to be a fucking cop?
You went around and maced some chicks?
You should be...
You should have to fucking fight Chris Cyborg.
That's what they should do.
You want to mace chicks?
How about you get in the ring and your underwear?
kevin pereira
Fight that Marine that says there's no honor in pepper spraying three women in a thing.
joe rogan
That Marine might gas out.
It's better to let Cyborg...
kevin pereira
Not against Officer Tony Baloney.
joe rogan
He'll get the job done.
You never know.
Tony Baloney might have a good guard.
He might get a bill to get that guy off.
kevin pereira
His guard smells like Old Spice.
Is God not going to be that strong against that Marine?
joe rogan
One cop threw a sucker punch at one of the protesters, and it was like the worst punch ever.
You're like, you should never be confident enough to punch a man.
With that whack-ass technique you have, you don't know how to fight at all, and yet you have the balls to throw a punch in a crowd against an unarmed protester?
You fuckhead!
kevin pereira
Which shows just how fucking peaceful, despite the agent provocateurs, it shows just how peaceful this movement truly is, because they know that's the only way.
joe rogan
Well, it's also that you see these cops that are older cops, the white shirt cops.
Those are the guys that are older cops that have been in the force a long time, and they get jaded.
Oh, they've seen the worst of humanity.
They get entitled, too, and they get cocky, and they think that they can get away with some shit.
josh olin
That's what enabled him to pull the trigger and punch him down the face like that.
kevin pereira
But they've also dealt with scum day in and day out, like you said.
So they see somebody in their face screaming at them, which that should not be happening, but they see that, and they go, okay, I'm now identifying you as scum right now.
But we gotta win the police over if this thing's gonna work at all.
And that concerns me.
That's an uphill battle.
joe rogan
Oh, I don't think so.
Like I said before, I think the cops are gonna figure it out eventually that it's all a pile of horseshit once things start sliding.
kevin pereira
I hope so.
Well, I hope...
You talked about people that are willing to commit atrocities, right?
Because they've been desensitized.
Like, they've got enough non-lethal arsenal right now to fuck up a lot of people and still feel like they're not being lethal, they're just being okay, they're just following orders.
You know, they're just worried about their paycheck as well, you know, and that will be said.
But pepper spray is one thing.
They've got the sonic weapons, they've got fucking rubber bullets.
Like, you look at revolts and revolution throughout history, they never had the weaponry that they have right now to use against their own people.
That's what scares the shit out of me.
That they can flip on a ray gun and it will microwave your intestines.
joe rogan
Right.
You are so freaky, man.
Google it!
Get this guy together with Alex Jones.
kevin pereira
There's video footage from a news reporter taking a microwave beam weapon from like 10 years ago.
Google it right now.
And he stands in front of it and there's a click, click, click, click, click, and the guy goes, oh god, instantly steps off the pad.
This was from years ago.
joe rogan
So it's basically like putting a rabbit in a microwave.
kevin pereira
Yes, except it's directional.
It's pinpointed.
They could point it at you, or they could arc it out in a beam and say, here's the switch.
joe rogan
It just cooks people.
kevin pereira
You instantly feel like your intestines are on fire, is the way this news reporter who stood in front of it years ago described it.
brian redban
We're going to go back to wearing chain mail.
We're going to have armor suits.
joe rogan
Metal does help, because if you put a can of soda in the microwave, it'll fucking explode, right?
kevin pereira
But you can't wear masks.
You can't wear gas masks.
You can't have sticks anymore for your sign because that's a weapon.
You can't have anything anymore.
So they're going to quell that shit right away.
You should really watch that video.
joe rogan
You can't have sticks for your sign because that's a weapon.
kevin pereira
Nope, that's a weapon.
joe rogan
Oh my god.
You know, there's a thing that I watched on TV the other day where they were talking about sonic weapons and what they're able to do now with sound.
They can cause permanent deafness.
That can cause permanent blindness.
They can blind you with sound.
Can you imagine that?
kevin pereira
There's a video of that in use.
I think it's in Detroit.
It's either Detroit or Pittsburgh.
Where they roll out.
There was a small union protest.
It's online.
And it literally announces...
And I'm going to say Detroit.
I might be wrong on this, but I'm just going to fucking say it.
The truck rolls out and goes...
Attention, city of Detroit!
From these giant, booming speakers on a big, black, monolithic-looking car with riot police in front of it bashing their shields with batons to create sound, you know?
unidentified
And the thing is like, attention, we are going to employ sonic weapons.
joe rogan
I think you're talking about the sonic weapons they used in Vancouver at the Olympics.
kevin pereira
That's what it was.
I'm sorry.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, because I remembered that.
I just looked it up.
kevin pereira
But they were threatening to use things like that.
I believe it was at one of the union protests.
joe rogan
No, they used it.
kevin pereira
Well, no, they used that at the Olympics, for sure.
And that was, again, years ago.
And this was for a non-violent protest.
joe rogan
They're calling it an acoustical device.
unidentified
Yeah, right?
joe rogan
Bitch, that ain't a harmonica.
It's a fucking sound weapon.
kevin pereira
This is a high-fidelity dispersal unit.
joe rogan
What?
kevin pereira
We're going to make you deaf if you don't get the fuck out of this area.
joe rogan
Well, they blasted some Somali pirates with it on this thing that I was watching.
The U.S. government used it to keep off Somali pirates.
They were coming near this boat, and they just turned this thing on.
unidentified
It worked.
joe rogan
And they just fucking blows their brains out and they have to swim away.
brian redban
They should have new shit where it's like, in the next 10 minutes we're going to have this thing that's going to break your iPhone.
joe rogan
I personally like it the way the fucking Russians handle it.
The Russians go after Somali pilots, they fucking pump missiles into their boats and they peel them up and they shoot them in the fucking head.
That's the way to do it.
These sonic weapons, man.
This is some lame shit.
kevin pereira
But it's going to be turned on regular folks.
joe rogan
Yeah, maybe.
kevin pereira
That's what concerns me.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that's a real concern.
When technology, as far as weapons and shit, and riot stuff, when it becomes viable, when it becomes something that people can make money developing, and these weapons companies, they're going to start turning it on people.
kevin pereira
Well, why else would you build them and buy them?
I mean, that's the last...
And, dude, here's what's gonna happen, right?
joe rogan
The military-industrial complex.
Well, you gotta think that if there's money in making war, there's also money in keeping peace.
There's also money in battling against insurgents right here in America.
I mean, that's what people are gonna be called.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
The true version of insurgency.
I mean, you know, the people that are rallying up against the, you know, the oppressive force.
unidentified
Right.
kevin pereira
And what they're going to see is, what worries me about this is that the imagery, like, when they shoot people in protests, right, in the Arab Spring, and you see people just getting fucking shot, you go, Holy shit, man.
That's fucked up.
We got to intervene.
You get world support and you get to other people.
But if they use sonic weapons and people are angry and protesting finally, which it may have to get to.
I sure fucking hope it doesn't.
But even if they have an agent provocateur, spark a crowd, they're going to say, listen, these guys got out of hand.
This protest is violent and angry.
And look, we didn't even kill them.
We just microwaved their insides for a little bit.
They won't say that.
They'll say we used a sonic weapon.
And so people at home will be like...
Well, they're being very humane to those violent people, so this isn't nearly as jarring.
joe rogan
I heard only ten people went deaf.
It was only ten, and they wouldn't listen.
kevin pereira
Right.
I had this argument with my parents, and they're like, well, if the police told you to get out, you're not supposed to be there.
They told you to leave.
I couldn't explain the concept of protesting.
To my parents.
joe rogan
It gets to a certain point.
It gets to a boiling point where what happens?
Because it's growing.
Right now, they're saying that every day at Occupy Wall Street in New York, it's a bigger and bigger crowd.
Every day.
People are coming from all over the world to participate in it.
My friend Jamie Kilstein, they're in fucking Melbourne, Australia.
They're doing Occupy Melbourne.
There's like 10 people.
Fucking hippies.
kevin pereira
But they're out there.
joe rogan
10 hippies in Australia, mate.
Fucking bankers, mate!
Yeah, they're out there.
But I mean, it's giant fucking gantic.
It's beyond gigantic.
So what does it do?
When you look at it, do you extrapolate?
kevin pereira
Well, constantly.
There's a million ways this thing can go, which is why I'm so fascinated by it.
unidentified
Me too.
kevin pereira
I mean, we are living in a chapter of a future history book, or we're living at the end of our society.
unidentified
Maybe both.
kevin pereira
You don't know.
joe rogan
Maybe both.
kevin pereira
Maybe both, yeah.
Maybe this is New World Order shit.
Maybe this is when the crowd gets completely beat down, and that's it.
There's nothing you can do.
We just be slaves to the system.
joe rogan
Did you see Ron Paul at the Republican debate?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Ron Paul had this one brilliant thing that he said that everybody says that really pays attention to human history.
He said this is exactly how every single empire has fallen.
They try to spread themselves out too thin and eventually it all comes crumbling down.
It's amazing.
kevin pereira
We have a blueprint.
We've seen this.
We have the knowledge to connect all the dots as to what's happening right now, and yet we're just repeating history, but with slightly different tools and in slightly different volumes.
You know, it's been ratcheted up, and we've survived a lot of that history, but who knows what atrocities could lie around the corner.
But I've even been looking at, like, I'm doing all right.
I got a good job.
I got great friends.
Like, I'm doing great.
And I see, I'm really concerned for the direction of this country, which is why I'm trying to educate myself and be a little more outspoken about it.
But I'm really concerned to the point where I've had the discussion of, all right, well, where the fuck, where's our exit strategy?
What is it right now?
If the shit really hits the fan tomorrow and they declare martial law on the streets, lockdown, you know, the riot police are coming in, are the Marines going to come in and fight?
Am I going to wake up tomorrow morning, my dollar's worth nothing and there's a war zone outside my window?
I mean, we're potentially two to three years away from that.
Maybe more.
Who knows what's going to escalate.
unidentified
Maybe less.
kevin pereira
Maybe less.
It could happen tomorrow.
And the notion that it could happen, not that I think it will, but the notion that it could, I never thought I would feel that in my lifetime in this country.
And I feel it right now.
And I've been researching, do I go to Finland, Switzerland?
I mean, Japan was my exit strategy for a little while there.
Love Japan, but that country's hit some fucking hard times right now.
joe rogan
You wouldn't go to Canada?
brian redban
I would go right to Vancouver.
joe rogan
Vancouver's the shit.
kevin pereira
I've never been to Vancouver.
Vancouver's awesome.
brian redban
Is it?
joe rogan
You ever done shows?
Yeah, a couple times.
Yeah, dude.
Vancouver, first of all.
Great comedy scene, great weed, super nice people, and a really diverse community of all sorts of different kinds of people.
kevin pereira
Why aren't I there now?
I should've got to be there now.
joe rogan
Dude, I almost moved there in 1984. When Bush won again in 2004, I just sat back, especially because I was paying attention to the whole Diebold voting thing.
I was like, this is ridiculous.
I watched the Hacking Democracy documentary, and I'm like, these guys, they stole it.
This is not real anymore.
kevin pereira
You've got a programmer testifying under oath that he wrote code that allowed him to rig an election.
joe rogan
And he showed how he can be done and then did it.
brian redban
Yeah.
joe rogan
And showed how there's a third party option in the software that allows a third party, other than the voter, other than the person reading the vote, a second person, another person, comes in and inserts data and changes the data.
And they showed how it can be done.
They had been massive contributors to the Republican Party.
The idea that some company can contribute to the Republican Party and then make a machine that decides whether Republicans or Democrats win elections is madness.
Right.
Absolute fucking madness.
kevin pereira
It's called hedging your bets.
joe rogan
I got furious, man.
There was a period of time over a couple weeks.
I'm a big fan of Canada.
I love going up there.
I don't like the cold, though.
I was like, man, Montreal would be the shit, but the winters are brutal.
Fuck, where else could I live?
So you had that thought.
Oh, yeah, man.
I still do.
I still go back and forth.
My friend Bobby lives up in Vancouver.
kevin pereira
So what's going to be the pin drop?
I don't know.
It might be just as I get older.
joe rogan
As I get older, I just decide enough is enough of this nonsense.
You don't have to live in this country.
We are eventually becoming a global society.
The connectivity that we all enjoy right now because of the internet.
Let's people realize that communities...
Like my message board.
I have a massive message board.
And this community is a message board of really cool people from everywhere, man.
I have people from fucking Saudi Arabia.
I have people from foreign countries.
I have Asian countries.
I have people from Canada.
A lot of fucking people from Canada.
People from Switzerland and Sweden.
All over the fucking world.
And it leads me to believe that this idea that a fucking line in the dirt can dictate where you're from.
No, no, no, no.
It should be...
Like-minded people.
It should be cool people.
Like-minded people.
Find them.
And if you find a spot, oh, it's across the dirt line.
It's no good anymore.
Yeah, but it's awesome.
Whether it's fucking Costa Rica or where the fuck it is.
If you find a place that you think that you could live a safer, healthier, friendlier life than what you're here in the center of the shitstorm.
Look, I love the idea of America.
I love the idea of it all.
I love the idea that we save the world from the Russians and we save the world from the Nazis and that we're the noblest and the most creative.
I love the idea, but I don't see it in practice.
And it scares me.
kevin pereira
You've never been to a NASCAR game.
joe rogan
It's not a game.
It scares me to think that I'm a rube.
That I'm locked into this stupid fucking system.
And if it gets any worse, man...
I don't know what to do.
I don't want to stay here while it falls apart around you.
kevin pereira
What is the catalyst?
And that's what I've been thinking because, you know, people had chances to get out of countries that became locked down and war started and then it was like, yeah, you ain't going anywhere.
They had signs.
They had news reports coming out.
They had all that shit.
joe rogan
They didn't have the internet, though.
They didn't have the internet.
It was a different world.
The world that we're living in is a very strange world.
And I don't know what happens when it all falls apart.
I don't know.
Is someone going to try to reclaim power?
I mean, is there going to be an actual physical war?
Are there going to be tanks in the streets?
And who are those soldiers?
Those soldiers are going to actually go after their brothers and sisters and cousins and neighbors?
Are they going to do that?
How can they?
How can they?
Is that possible?
kevin pereira
Well, I mean, they could be sold a message that it's not their brothers and sisters and neighbors, that it's insurgents, that they're terrorists.
joe rogan
And that would be the agent provocateur.
So we need a certain population of sociopaths to make this whole fucking plan work for the man.
brian redban
We're going to become Mexicans.
We're going to be going north to Canada.
kevin pereira
You're saying that the agent provocateurs are sociopaths?
joe rogan
Yeah, we will be the Canadian Mexicans.
brian redban
Exactly.
joe rogan
Mexican versions of Canada.
Yeah, I'd rather live in a cold climate.
I might even live in Alaska.
I might even live in Alaska better than this.
brian redban
Joe, have you seen this fish with a transparent head?
Have you ever seen this photo or video?
joe rogan
Yeah, it's like a real deep underwater fish.
brian redban
Yeah, it's a fish, and they have it on YouTube, or there's photos.
It's from National Geographic.
But it's an actual fish that you can just see right into its brain.
And you can see its organs.
joe rogan
Yeah, do you know the name of it?
brian redban
I think they call it a Large Pacific Boundary.
unidentified
B-A-R-R-E-L-E-Y-E. Borrow eye?
joe rogan
This is a video from a few years ago?
brian redban
This was like 2009. I just saw it the other day.
kevin pereira
It looks like the fish from Sega Seaman for the Dreamcast.
brian redban
Yes, exactly.
kevin pereira
Like that fish.
joe rogan
It's a fucking alien world, that ocean, man.
kevin pereira
I always see...
joe rogan
That's a real alien world.
kevin pereira
The real deep water shit, like the Planet Earth Deep Water Edition.
Anything on deep water, I see the life that exists on this planet and it makes me realize how uncreative human beings are at conceiving what alien life forms could be.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
kevin pereira
It's like, this fish glows in the dark.
Yeah, you probably didn't think an alien could do that.
This fish only exists in the infrared spectrum.
joe rogan
How the fuck did an anglerfish develop?
How the fuck did that fish develop that has a fishing rod?
It has a fishing rod and a lure.
It dangles a little lure, and as the thing comes close, their fucking giant maw opens up and sucks the fish in.
It's amazing.
kevin pereira
Because it was created by some alien point and clicks.
You know what I mean?
We are just their simulator.
And he's like, let's try this.
A fish with a fucking lure on his head and see where that goes.
joe rogan
There's this guy who's a chess master and he's a brilliant guy who plays blindfolded chess against multiple opponents.
This Australian guy.
And he's also a creationist.
It's really a fascinating thing to see because he's obviously a super, super brilliant guy.
And somebody posted this interview with this guy where he was talking about how there's...
What science doesn't account for, what evolution doesn't account for, how does a carbon molecule become a person?
And their idea, it's like this idea of the soul and all these different...
The complexity is too hard for them to grasp, so it must be magic.
It gets to some weird...
kevin pereira
In due time, science will help us perceive what we have to label as magic right now and imperceivable.
Maybe.
Maybe not.
Maybe that's the question we're not supposed to ever answer.
joe rogan
Well, maybe we'll get to a certain point where we realize, oh, no, there is some sort of an inner code that's inescapable that permeates the entire universe.
Whatever it's string theory or whatever the fuck it is, they find some frequency at the center of all that accepts love and rejects negativity.
kevin pereira
Like the Hitler video and that contact signal.
joe rogan
Yes.
No.
kevin pereira
No?
joe rogan
No, it'd be different than that.
kevin pereira
Yeah, they heard the signal and then the blind dude was like, dude, I hear video.
And then they put it up to a monitor and it was Hitler.
And then he's like, there's more.
This is interlaced.
joe rogan
There's information in there.
kevin pereira
And then they had the blueprints on how to build the travel thing.
It's exactly like that.
joe rogan
That was a fascinating movie, wasn't it?
kevin pereira
The book was way better.
joe rogan
Was it?
I never read the book.
kevin pereira
The book was way better.
joe rogan
Carl Sagan was a bad motherfucker.
By the way...
Massive pothead.
For those of you who hate weed, Carl Sagan, huge pothead.
Carl Sagan smoked weed every fucking day.
kevin pereira
Weed is just a placebo.
brian redban
You see, Dr. Drew was talking about you on the Conan O'Brien show, which is cool, by the way, that not only has the California Association backed up medical marijuana...
Dr. Drew is on Conan being asked, do you back up medical marijuana?
kevin pereira
What did he say?
brian redban
He says, well, I get a lot of slack from Joe Rogan about this.
joe rogan
The reason why is because he started talking on his crazy CNN show about how marijuana is...
Much stronger than it was back in the day and how there's dangerous withdrawal symptoms.
And I'm like, come on, man.
kevin pereira
Did he clarify that it might be purely psychological?
joe rogan
This is what I've always said.
I don't know how your body works, but I'm pretty sure that if weed got you, it's because weed got there first.
And if it wasn't weed that you got addicted to, It could have been cheeseburgers or scratch tickets or internet porn.
kevin pereira
Whatever plugs that void for you.
joe rogan
Yeah, and maybe for some people, there's people that have extreme physical issues with all sorts of altered states of consciousness.
There's people that literally must drink coffee all day long.
They must smoke cigarettes all day long.
They are constantly trying to change whatever state.
And it could be an imbalance.
It could be some sort of an issue that they have.
I have witnessed it many times with alcohol and I know certain people with drugs.
You know, I was listening to Ron Bennington.
I was listening to Ron and Fez.
And Ron is a guy who's in the program, and apparently he had an appendix, and they wanted to give him pain pills.
And he was terrified.
And he's pretty sure he's got his addictions under control, but he didn't want to take the chance.
And one of the reasons why is because he had a friend And this friend, I believe he said, had been sober for, you know, 10 fucking years, had been working as a counselor in a place helping people stay sober, stayed up in the Poconos so that he didn't have to go back around the same neighborhood and be around the same people.
kevin pereira
He was working it as hard as you could.
joe rogan
He was there for 10 years, gets in some sort of an accident, has a back problem, whatever, they put him on some pills, boom, he's a junkie again.
kevin pereira
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's some people, man.
kevin pereira
Absolutely.
joe rogan
There's no doubt about it, and I would never discount that.
I would never discount that possibility.
But what they discount, and this is my issue with all these Dr. True types, is that they always have this sort of a...
I love Dr. True, by the way.
He's a really good guy.
kevin pereira
Yeah, he's a great guy.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
I really love him as a person.
There's nothing wrong with that guy.
He gets silly sometimes.
But they discount the positive benefits of it, and they make it as if it's a goof.
They make it as if they go, like, well, listen, I'm not going to stop you from smoking pot.
If you want to smoke pot, forget about all the medical uses, because the medical uses are many, and they're very varied, and they're very real.
The actual benefits of it for the human race are substantial.
They're huge.
And they're not something you should just dismiss and diminish because popular opinion is laced with the propaganda from 1930s and it has just entwined itself into our culture to the point where people believe all sorts of bullshit and nonsense about what is really an amazing beneficial plant.
You know, and maybe you can't handle it, maybe you don't like it, but to tell me that this thing, this turbocharger for the imagination, this thing that makes you more sensitive, makes you more loving, it makes you more friendly, it makes food taste better, makes sex taste better, it doesn't harm you in any way.
You wake up in the morning, you fucking feel great, you don't feel hungover.
You're telling me that this thing that I take in that does this is bad?
I'm telling you it could fix the fucking world.
I'm telling you it changes consciousness.
I'm telling you, it's a fucking tool, man.
It's a tool like a hammer or a fucking jackhammer or a laser beam.
It's anything else.
kevin pereira
Do you think he fundamentally disagrees with you, though?
joe rogan
What the world needs is a shaman.
They need shaman.
They need people who have experienced altered states of consciousness and not only know how to navigate them, can talk other people through them and do it on a professional level.
What they've done for thousands and thousands of years in the rainforest, We need to apply, not just with marijuana, but all the different tools of consciousness, including alcohol.
They should have places where they teach you how to drink alcohol.
I enjoy alcohol.
I like it.
I like having a shot or two with my friends.
It makes me loose.
It makes me silly.
I start enjoying things a little bit more.
I want to dance.
I don't think it's bad.
It would benefit so many fucking people if when you were 19 or 20, they took you to a fucking class where some smart, interesting person taught you about drinking and gave you some fucking things to think about.
Here's what you need to think about.
Why don't you write down, how about this?
You're a new drinker?
Write down your iPhone every time you have a drink.
Is that hard?
Send yourself a text message.
Send a friend a text message every time you have a drink.
And he has to send you a text message every time he has a drink.
So that you get like six, seven drinks in from this guy, you can call him up and go, hey bro, you should stop drinking.
unidentified
You texted me 45 minutes ago and you've had nine drinks.
joe rogan
What the fuck are you doing?
Who's watching you?
Who's looking out for you?
Who's driving you home?
unidentified
You know, that's not a bad idea.
kevin pereira
Yeah, you're teaching social responsibility with what's available.
joe rogan
It's social responsibility, but it's also shamanism.
unidentified
I got it, but do you think Dr. Drew disagrees with that?
brian redban
No, no, no, he doesn't.
We actually had a podcast yesterday that we went through all the entire stuff that Dr. Drew has said about marijuana all in a row, and we ended up with what he said on Conan.
And he's actually saying that one of the biggest things right now is that there's people that get addicted to marijuana.
Marijuana is addictive to people.
joe rogan
Well, it's not physically, though, dude.
It's addictive like jerking off is addictive.
brian redban
Right, but one of the biggest things right now that's filling hospitals and stuff like that is people freaking out on marijuana and stuff like that.
unidentified
What?
brian redban
Not one of the biggest things.
joe rogan
Filling hospital rooms.
brian redban
People having panic attacks and going to hospitals is big.
joe rogan
Ryan's just saying that because that happened to him.
unidentified
He got so high, he had to pull over to the side of the road and call an ambulance.
brian redban
Well, that's not true.
That's 100% not true.
Actually, it wasn't high at all when that happened.
kevin pereira
But here's the thing.
Drew has to say this could happen.
He has to, as a physician says, it could happen.
brian redban
Well, he's saying that that's one of his biggest things that he treats is medical marijuana addiction.
So what he was saying is that it is addictive because people do get addictive because he has to deal with it all the time.
Now, he's saying he's for medical marijuana.
He says that, especially now that after this thing...
kevin pereira
But to Joe's point, if there was a shaman, whether it's yourself or Dr. Drew or the fucking internet, that said, hey, this can be addictive.
Here's what happens.
Instead of, it's either going to be reefer madness or it's the greatest thing ever.
I mean, you need a balanced approach.
You need to educate people.
brian redban
I think we all know somebody that spends over $40 a day on marijuana.
kevin pereira
Probably, yeah.
brian redban
I know a few people that just go to the store and just spend a shitload of money every single day and smokes that money.
joe rogan
This is the current study.
This current study, they believe that 10% of recreational users will develop problems severe enough to impair their work and relationships.
Very simple.
Take the money that they would make from taxes from marijuana if it was legal.
I've always said, if you want to have marijuana legal, just say, how about this?
You want to give people an incentive?
Tax it higher than everything else.
Give it a tax like you did to cigarettes or alcohol.
Give it a tax and then take a portion of that and use it for treatment centers for these 10%.
That have wacky fucking jeans or whatever it is.
But for most of us, it's not physically addictive.
But a lot of people like to escape, man.
And they like to escape with video games.
And if they don't escape with video games, they like to escape with weed.
I've been addicted to things before that aren't addictive, like video games.
I've been addicted to playing pool.
I've been addicted to working out.
I've been addicted to several things in my life that were impulses, masturbation.
I've had moments in my life, especially when I was a young man, Where, you know, you'd masturbate, like, have you ever done that?
Like, masturbate?
You're not even horny.
Meanwhile, you're beaten off, like, for the third or fourth time in the day.
Like, what the fuck is wrong with me?
There's a difference, I think, between when you have a fucked up life, and you don't have discipline, and you don't have, like, The ability to be objective about your body, the ability to be objective about your mind.
How much organization have you done?
Do you do meditation?
Do you do any self-reflecting time where you sit down and look at your whole life as a whole?
Well, if you don't, then sometimes you get washed up in some crazy wave of momentum and then you become obsessive with things, at least me.
I find myself my most vulnerable when the rest of my life is out of order and chaotic.
When the rest of my life is like a bunch of shit that I'm not dealing with and the fucking bills I'm not paying and all that, that's when I'll find myself beating off three times a day.
That's when I'll find myself can't walk away from the computer because I want to fucking play video games online all hours of the day.
kevin pereira
Do you smoke more during those periods though?
Or no?
joe rogan
I don't do any of that anymore and all this was back before I even smoked weed.
brian redban
And you don't even smoke weed anymore.
joe rogan
Yeah, I stopped.
kevin pereira
Right.
joe rogan
Stopped so I can have guns.
kevin pereira
Keep those guns.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I want to keep my guns.
I made a decision.
Cunt!
Cunt fucking government, you cunt!
brian redban
Yeah, when I actually got pulled over...
unidentified
You bitches.
joe rogan
I love the good ones!
Don't get me wrong, I love the good cots!
I love the good cops!
brian redban
When I pulled over, that wasn't actually weed.
That was caffeine.
That was from energy drinks.
joe rogan
That was the gay climbing out of every pore in your body like the center was a nuclear reactor and it was melting down.
And the gay was just blasting out of all your skin pores and you were twitching and shaking and you had to call the cops.
How many energy drinks did you have?
brian redban
I had one of those big Mountain Dew.
I don't even think they make them anymore.
It's humongous Mountain Dew super energy drinks.
kevin pereira
You had a bucket of energy drinks with a straw in it.
brian redban
And I hadn't eaten all day.
My heart started double jumping.
kevin pereira
We had a girl at our E3 booth.
We had these booth models we were sponsored by.
joe rogan
First of all, Fuck yeah.
kevin pereira
Continue.
And they were all smoking hot.
joe rogan
This is not even a mildly attractive girl there.
E3 is ridiculous.
kevin pereira
And there are some really hot nerd chicks there that really are into that shit that look smoking hot.
joe rogan
What is hotter than a hot chick with a hot body and glasses?
I don't know what it is, man.
It's that Sarah Palin thing.
You got glasses, girl?
kevin pereira
I love her.
joe rogan
She's great.
kevin pereira
No, she was a GameStop manager.
Ooh.
Like that level of nerdery.
Yeah, and plays Professor Layton in cosplays.
brian redban
My girlfriend has a huge crush on his girlfriend.
joe rogan
Yeah, there you go.
Gotta get him to work out.
This is very important.
Some girls are great when they're like 21, 22, 23, and then 24. It starts becoming gelatinous and gives out.
That's so sad.
You can keep it going.
unidentified
I know.
kevin pereira
That's why 19 is the cutoff point.
joe rogan
We need to find out what the fuck Halle Berry's doing, because that bitch is 45 and she's hot as shit.
kevin pereira
Do you think there's a lot of lasers and surgery and scissors?
joe rogan
I think it's a lot of health and exercise.
But she's also crazy.
I don't know.
I haven't seen her in person.
brian redban
Have you seen Demi Moore lately?
joe rogan
No.
brian redban
They showed a picture of her yesterday where she looks like a skeleton.
And she just looks like whatever magic she was using for the last 20 years.
It finally caught up.
kevin pereira
This is going to take more mana, but fuck it, I'm going to cast this sexy spell.
It's time it might run around!
joe rogan
Welcome to the castle!
brian redban
Her arms look like Charlie Sheen's penis now, if you look at her.
joe rogan
You can't blame Ashton Crutcher.
kevin pereira
Ashton ran.
joe rogan
You can't blame Ashton for going out and getting someone on the side.
You can't.
unidentified
Do you think?
kevin pereira
I heard that they had an open relationship, though.
unidentified
They could have.
kevin pereira
I heard that was totally loud, but he just picked women that were being vocal about it, and he was like, I can't do this anymore now.
joe rogan
Well, um...
Let me see how I can phrase this.
I have a friend.
And this friend may or may not have worked on the movie G.I. Jane.
And you know that movie had Demi Moore in it.
This friend who may or may not have worked on this may or may not have had Demi Moore grab his cock one night.
brian redban
Ted Danson?
joe rogan
No.
Good try.
So, if that was possible, if that was real, yes.
I think that might very well be.
kevin pereira
It was a two-way street.
joe rogan
I think it was probably...
kevin pereira
Were they together in G.I. Jane?
brian redban
No.
unidentified
No, no, no.
brian redban
That was Bruce Willis.
joe rogan
Bruce Willis.
kevin pereira
Oh, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
That's probably how she was.
There's a lot of people that roll that way.
They just roll that way.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
Especially in the acting community.
People think that, oh, they're no different than us.
Many of them, no.
But many of them, they've grown up in these weird fucking showbiz, super self-indulgent circles.
And...
Many of them do drugs and they embrace different lifestyles.
kevin pereira
Have you ever done the open relationship thing or the swinger thing?
unidentified
It's too hard.
kevin pereira
So you tried it?
joe rogan
No, I've never tried it.
Obviously, I've been in situations where I didn't want to be settled down.
And I said, look, I don't want to be in a relationship.
But I've never been in like...
brian redban
Ari Shafir.
joe rogan
Yeah, we have a buddy, Ari Shafir, who was in an open marriage.
And his wife would go on dates and then come home and talk about how guys fucked her and stuff.
He should really do material on that.
Why doesn't he do material on that?
brian redban
Yeah, he's weird about that, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't think.
Maybe he doesn't want the world to know.
unidentified
Oops!
kevin pereira
Well, there's that.
unidentified
Oopsies!
brian redban
We were talking about Ted Danson.
joe rogan
Yeah, not Ari Shaffir.
That guy who looks like Ari Shaffir.
kevin pereira
Was he getting off to it?
They were the thing, or no?
It eventually didn't work?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
You'd have to ask him about that.
I don't want to say...
I already said too much, as it is.
brian redban
I think he's said it before.
joe rogan
Yeah, he has said it before.
I wouldn't have said it if he hadn't said it.
But he's crazy.
Ari's crazy.
Ari's a wild motherfucker, though.
Ari will...
unidentified
What makes you say it's too hard, though, just out of curiosity?
joe rogan
Well, I think...
kevin pereira
Compartmentalizing certain emotions?
joe rogan
For men, I think it's...
Look, legitimately, some people believe that that's how human beings existed a long time ago, that that's the mushroom orgies, the idea of these orgiastic groups of free sex monkeys that existed.
existed millions of years ago.
You know, McKenna had that whole thing that he believed that, you know, and it really, the idea behind it is that at one point in time, mushrooms were a huge part of human diets and they were part of all these rituals and people would get together and eat them and they would have these orgies and have all these parties and have a good time.
And that slowly but surely, the climate change, the mushrooms became more and more rare and they were hoarded by the elites and then they were also kept from other people.
and then sort of this orgiastic communal society that we had.
this matriarchal society by the way that worshipped the mother and worshipped the mother earth and Which mushrooms sort of tend to put you in tune with that frequency.
kevin pereira
Absolutely, yeah.
joe rogan
That all dissolved as climate change.
And he actually documents it down to them taking mushrooms and putting them in honey, and that the honey became psychoactive as well, because honey, when it ferments, becomes mead.
And then you have a completely polar opposite society.
You have an alcohol-based society, which inflates the ego, diminishes objectivity and self-awareness, and diminishes the feelings of connectivity.
What was that, dude?
brian redban
Oh, that was the 10-minute warning for that.
The shot clock?
joe rogan
Was it?
You have a 10-minute warning?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All right.
Well, let's fucking wrap this bitch up.
Let's bring this motherfucker home.
We've covered just about everything.
Kevin Pereira.
kevin pereira
So good to see you again, man.
joe rogan
Once again, you are a bad motherfucker.
kevin pereira
Well, thank you, sir.
joe rogan
Every time you come on this podcast, you do not disappoint.
kevin pereira
Appreciate it.
joe rogan
For those who want to follow this brilliant man on Twitter, it's K-P-E-R-E-I-R-A. Don't you fucking laugh when I call you brilliant.
kevin pereira
I appreciate that.
joe rogan
Accept it!
kevin pereira
Suck it!
joe rogan
Take it inside you!
kevin pereira
Tonight I'm pounding that into a fleshlight, so I appreciate it.
joe rogan
I'll give you a new one.
A freshie.
kevin pereira
I want to try this alpha dog.
joe rogan
Alpha brain.
kevin pereira
Because I will absolutely report back.
joe rogan
Yeah, I'll give you a big bottle.
Love it.
And if folks at home, you want to try it, first of all, if you don't want to try it, don't.
If you want the effects, but you don't want to pay for it, go online and find the ingredients.
I welcome you to copy the ingredients.
Go ahead, copy it, do it all yourself.
But if you want a one-stop shop and you want to do it all yourself, I enjoy it.
It's called AlphaBrain.
And if you go to Onnit.com, O-N-N-I-T.com, and when you're ordering and entering the code name Rogan, you will save 10%.
And let me know if you Love it or hate it?
Holla at me on Twitter, bitches!
brian redban
I've been remembering my dreams like crazy, like super detailed.
I remember the last three nights of my dreams.
joe rogan
I take them right before I go to bed on purpose.
But usually I take them in the morning.
Anyway, what the fuck ever!
Thank you to The Fleshlight.
If you go to JoeRogan.net, click on the link for The Fleshlight, enter in the code name ROGAN, you will get 15% off the number one.
This Friday, Friday, is it sold out yet?
brian redban
Not sold out yet?
joe rogan
It will.
We haven't even really talked about it.
We're doing a show at the Ice House.
It's a tiny-ass room.
I got a tweet from some dude who's flying in from 1,500 miles away.
brian redban
Are you serious?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
brian redban
We have two shows, 8 and 10, too.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a great room.
It's a tiny 85-seat room, and the fucking show is outstanding.
It's me, Brendan Walsh.
brian redban
Little Esther, Al Madrigal, Josh McDermott.
joe rogan
Josh McDermott, who's hilarious.
It's a great, great show.
And we're going to do a lot of these.
And we're going to set up a laptop there, and we're also going to do a podcast live from the Ice House.
So we'll see you bitches on Friday.
This is probably the last podcast for the week, but we might do another one.
Later in the week, because that's how I roll.
I roll sporadically.
I appreciate all of the love on Twitter, on Message Board, on Align, on Ultimate Fighting...
What?
brian redban
Oh, I was wondering if I could bring up something I just opened up real quick.
We have a podcast named Death Squad, and we used to only accept donations.
That's our only way to survive.
Now we just opened up a new website called Doug.com.
Not dig, but Doug.
D-U-G-G-E-D. And what that does is open this up, Amazon.
And if you ever want to buy anything from Amazon, anything you buy from there...
joe rogan
I thought they made that illegal in California.
brian redban
They just brought it back.
Amazon just brought it back for me.
joe rogan
Really?
What do you mean?
So they overturned the law?
brian redban
They did something, yes.
Amazon had this associates account and they pretty much got rid of it.
joe rogan
When did it come back?
brian redban
It just came back two weeks ago.
joe rogan
Really?
I didn't hear about this.
That made me angry.
Just like I get angry about internet gambling.
I don't want to get angry.
This is the end of the fucking show.
Positive.
So, positively, ladies and gentlemen, Doug.com.
D-U-G-G-E-D. Doug.com.
Alright, thanks to everyone online.
We love all you bitches.
Keep it together.
unidentified
We're all in this motherfucker together and shit's getting crazy.
joe rogan
It's all gonna change!
But keep your frequency positive.
Work hard.
Stay honest.
May the force be with you.
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