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Isn't it ridiculous that after all we know in 2011 that people...
Not even just that anybody would do that, but that anyone would at all take anybody willing to do that seriously and not think they're fucking crazy.
When you see the Pope having an interview, sitting down with great heads of states and politicians and kings and queens from around the world, you're looking at this guy like, this is...
This guy's wearing a fucking superhero outfit.
He's wearing some crazy Jesus superhero outfit on, and he's a fucking cult leader, and he's getting to talk to presidents.
If Catholicism was new, if it just came out, if someone just invented it, You would for sure make fun of it, and for sure it would be labeled a cult.
No different than the Moonies, no different than the Hare Krishnas, no different than any other new ideology that tries to get introduced into our system.
As someone who grew up in it, you know, someone's just been around those churches and the stained glass windows and everything is dark and no one is fucking happy.
But how about the transubstantiation of the communion wafer where they believe that they convert the communion wafer into the flesh of Jesus?
Yeah, what?
It's not a symbol.
I've heard that they really truly believe when they do their whatever the spell is over the crisp that it turns into Jesus' skin and then they're breaking up the flesh of Jesus and consuming the flesh of the man-god.
So you think it's just some wacky coincidence that this is happening in the presence of this lesbian couple that's raising him.
Because this is where the real argument comes in about sociology versus physiology, like what exactly causes certain behavior.
Certain wants and inclinations.
I don't know.
I mean, I'm no expert, but I know that people are real uncomfortable when they hear that a lesbian couple has a boy that they adopted and that this boy is being considered for gender reassignment to become a woman at 11. You want to go like, wow, okay, what are you guys like?
When they do it backwards, though, like when they take the dick off to make it a pussy, don't they use the dick hole and then they kind of like just open it up like an artichoke or something like that?
Yeah, it's kind of like what you always used to do with girls from forums and stuff for free, but now they're charging something like $10 every two minutes.
It's kind of cool because now you're making a personalized porn video.
So it's pretty much like chat roulette, but the girl's hot on the other side.
Yeah, I don't want my daughter to be a prostitute.
Of course.
But if prostitution was legal, people are going to do it.
And guess what?
Some people are going to actually like to do it.
And some people are going to enjoy going there.
And some people, they're just crazy bitches and they really wouldn't do anything else anyway.
And what are you going to do?
Are you going to fix the whole world?
Are you going to fix the whole world?
Or are you going to let them get tested and get taxed and let them be treated like they're not some outlaw?
It's an outlaw thing.
If you're a prostitute, you're a criminal.
If you're giving away sex for free, you're just a whore.
But if you're actually getting money for it, you go to jail.
They lock you in a cage.
And the idea that we still have that in 2011, regardless of what your beliefs are about sex, whether you should or shouldn't go to a prostitute, I agree.
It's kind of a weird thing.
It's a little dehumanizing.
It's very strange.
Fucking for sure it should be legal.
You can't lock people in a jail.
You lock people in a cage for making someone feel good with their mouth.
One thing that seems interesting, it seems like it's run off a server because everyone's activating this Siri, which is a remote assistant on the new iPhone 4S is what we're talking about.
If you know that the robot is there for you because it's artificial, you're going to abuse it.
It's not like a person that you love to have around.
I think most people would probably just beat the fuck out of their robots.
If they knew that their robot wasn't a person, but was always going to look out for them and be there for them, and you would find that robot annoying...
And you would kick his ass because you know he couldn't fight back because he's only there to protect you.
No, no, but if it gets to know what your answers would be and your personality better, because I'm already interested in it and it's just not even smart right now.
I've always said that if you believe in the devil, that's a different kind of crazy.
Because there's a lot of people that will talk all day about God.
Like on TV, God bless America.
May God save our troops.
God is on our side.
Bush said God is on our side on TV. I believe God is on our side.
Could you imagine if he said, we found the devil, he's in Afghanistan.
He'd be like, oh, this guy's crazy.
That is fucking mine.
You didn't really find the devil, but it's okay to invoke God into the equation as long as it's sort of an abstract thing that you're pretty sure you're never going to meet in this lifetime.
I mean, clearly the God that the Christians are invoking, if there is a Satan, is Satan, because the God that they're invoking is this homophobic destroyer of everything that isn't a Christian.
There's a thing on the internet of somebody asking Herman Cain what he thinks about homosexuality.
His response is, well, I'm a Bible-believing Christian, and so I believe it's a sin.
So, if you think about that, this guy's running for president, and those two things he put next to each other, he believes that fucking someone of the same gender is not just bad, it's bad on a metaphysical level.
It's bad because there is a super intelligent being out there that gets infuriated When these microscopic amoeba-like creatures put their penis in an asshole of the same gender.
He believes in that creature.
And that fucking guy wants the keys to the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet!
If you have a headache, you should be able to take aspirin, goddammit.
You're a fucking grown human being.
The idea that any one person should be able to stop you is ridiculous.
But in this day and age, with all the information that we have now, the fact that it's still illegal, at a certain point in time, you just have to fucking scream.
It just was popping up on the internet that now 50% of Americans believe that marijuana should be legal.
And somebody tweeted to me that in California, like the Medical Association came out and said that they think it should be legal because it causes more harm.
It breaks up more families.
The war on it is breaking up families, taking people's property away, putting people in jail.
That's a million times more harmful than whatever the harmful effects may be of smoking marijuana, which as far as I can tell are like naps that are too good and it makes World of Warcraft fucking unavoidable in your life.
Whenever there's something where someone's trying to crack down on things, know this.
When someone is threatening to crack down on something, where they're going after certain organizations, there's money involved.
100%.
percent there's money involved right and the money can go one way or the other you know it could go that they realize they can make a lot of money through these medical marijuana places and the marijuana places give them a nice fat tax like maybe say hey instead of you know uh whatever tax we're paying how about medical marijuana you make them pay x amount of tax maybe just a little bit more that those profits go to try to straighten out the economy a little bit and uh you know and everybody still can make a shitload of fucking money
then they have to stop back and think and go, wow, they're giving us more money than the pharmaceutical companies are.
And then, and only then, are you going to be able to fucking stop all this bullshit.
You're going to have to have a marijuana lobby.
You're going to have to have people that have shitloads of fucking money, and they want marijuana to be legal.
And then all these cunt politicians, all these corrupt little whores with their assholes sticking straight up in the air, all of them will come around.
All of them.
But that's only then.
Only when they get the people who put them in office, when they're daddies, who put them in position and tell them what the fuck to say.
There's no clear piece of evidence that Obama, a man who admitted he smoked marijuana, and they're locking people in cages for selling.
That's one part of it, but there is the deeper conspiracy theory about it, which is that it's not just the money, it's the fact that the state of consciousness it induces isn't one that works for the type of capitalism we have right now.
And I think there's something to that, man.
If people start...
And also, it's like, try getting really high on a really good weed and start thinking about those fucking drones zooming around Afghanistan and blasting missiles at kids.
And it's like, you'll really start getting a clear understanding of how fucked up that is.
No matter what, even...
Let's say even those drone attacks, we had to do them, it's still fucked up.
It still creates more of a sensitivity towards people getting their limbs blown off of their bodies in the pursuit of some ridiculous war.
And that kind of, you know, that's hitting the military-industrial complex.
It's hitting the pharmaceutical companies because if you start getting high...
You're going to start experiencing a better level of happiness.
It's going to make you start dealing with your bullshit.
Or maybe it'll make you depressed because you're lazy.
But either way, it won't allow you to sink into the kind of sedated hypnosis that it seems like works really fucking well for Applebee's.
You know, it works really well for the corporations for people to be in a sedated, hypnotic, State where they can really make sense of going down to a shopping mall and like eating at a fucking, I don't know, chicken place with their kids and then going up and buying some shit at a shoe store and then spending their day just consuming shit they don't really need and then going home and sitting back to watch TV with more advertisements and not thinking that's weird and falling asleep in that
kind of depressed slumber.
That is really hard to do if you're high.
If you're really high, it's really hard to watch normal TV and not be like, this is horrible!
Look at these advertisements!
Are you kidding?
They think that that's going to work on me?
Oh my god!
$48,000 for a fucking car?
You're going to pay for it.
That's like over a year's wage for some people.
You're going to make sense of buying a brand new car.
Payments of $285 a month.
For like $4,000 you can go buy a fucking car.
Get it fixed up through the year and have like a shitload of extra money and not be in debt.
That's what pot makes you think.
You know, but if you're like drunk and you're fucking scratching your balls and watching the game and a fucking the new Lexus, you'll start thinking like, well, my credit score went up this year.
I think I might be able to take out a loan from the bank and get a new Lexus.
Even though you're fucking broke and living in hell and it's going to just create this weight on your budget that's going to make you miserable.
Dude, I don't mean to go on a long rant, but did I ever tell you the time a friend of mine picked me up in his fucking Mercedes and took me to his apartment?
See, most people throughout their day, they have a job that can occasionally be interesting, but they would never fucking do for free.
And whether they're good at it or not, they take some sense of pride in their work, they get through their day, but they're fucking tired, man.
And people are unsatisfied.
They feel like they work so fucking hard, they put so much in, and what am I getting?
I'm just existing?
This is what I'm doing?
I'm existing.
So what do they do?
They get fucking shit.
They buy a new bowling ball.
They get a new Lexus.
And you know what?
For them, you know, for some of those, you say it's sad, but for some of those guys that are stuck in that life, no matter what they do, that might give them like a little bit more happiness driving, you know.
I think the next thing is going to be interactive surfaces where it's going to be like some kind of like, I don't know, material that you could lay down on top of a table, like kind of like tile or just some kind of cloth you could lay on top of something that turned into a screen.
So I think that the new thing is going to be there are going to be walls made of interactive surfaces so that you could tell the wall, you know, like beach view.
And suddenly you're just sitting on some beautiful beach looking out at the ocean. - I think they already have that shit actually.
The precision and Involved in Quake, you had to get special mouses with mice, where there were 2,000 DPI, 3,000 DPI. They had these razor mice that they created specifically just to make the accuracy They have those for Starcraft.
Oh fuck yeah, because the macro game is like your big plan, what different setups you're going to use to try to defeat your opponent on the broad scale.
Then there's the micro game, which is so when you're having individual skirmishes between armies, I only do macro.
I'm terrible at micro, but the micro game is, let's say you've got five zergs, which are these alien predatorial creatures, and they're fighting five protoss, which are kind of like sci-fi space people.
You have to, like, if you're really good as your units start getting injured, you pull them out of the fight.
You pull them back out of the fight so that they don't get killed and they can heal in the back while the people who aren't getting hurt can fight.
And there's, like, tricks based around that, and you've got to move fast as fuck to pull that off.
And meanwhile, while you're doing that in the middle of a skirmish, you've got to be thinking about all the shit back at your base, your fucking spawning pool has got to get adrenal glands on your fucking...
Zergs, you gotta update your fucking hive.
Your queens gotta be spread.
The queens, because I play Zerg, they're like badass aliens.
The queens, they spit this.
No, I think it comes out of their ass.
They turn around and spray this weird hive with their eggs, and that creates larvae from which you grow these aliens.
You gotta be thinking, I gotta spray the fucking hive.
It's a complex game, but it's the first in what I think is going to be this entire new generation of these types of games.
And I really think it's going to grow and become like, I think eventually, 10 years down the road, They're going to have an ESPN for esports, where they're going to have leagues, and they're going to have teams.
Listen, I won't tell anybody because it's a real recent show, but they do some shit that I've never seen people do on TV where I'm like, wow, you can do that now?
You know, people are always trying to marginalize things like, did you ever see those videos that there's a really funny guy made with Sarah Palin's people waiting in line for a book signing of Sarah Palin and he's interviewing them in Columbus, Ohio.
And they're all almost retarded.
They have no idea what she stands for.
They have no idea what's wrong with this country.
They're hooked into the cult of personality.
So it's clip after clip of him interviewing these people and these people just being completely fucking clueless.
And I've seen a few of those where people have done that about the Occupy Wall Street movement.
Where they sit down with some young kid and they take the kid and they...
You know, they catch him on some facts and they, you know, they show, school him about corporate taxes.
You know, this is like one snotty guy with an English accent and found one dumb dude.
But I can't believe that that's the only person you ran into, stupid.
That's the video you made?
You went down there, there's a hundred thousand people sleeping on the ground screaming at these fucking cunts and whores who've been ruining and poisoning our financial system and all you can find is this one guy.
What she actually said was that she realized that it's not about who's black or who's white.
It's about who needs things and who needs help.
It was like a lesson.
She was talking about when she was younger or earlier in her life, how she thought about things, but now she realized differently.
She was just talking about growing as a human being.
If you don't start off perfect, you have to shoot yourself in the fucking head.
You can't have ever been a racist when you were younger or said racist things because you were being insensitive or dumb or conditioned by your environment.
But then that mollusk, Breitbart, that human fucking slime, he feels okay.
That's just creating evil.
To me, if you want to believe in evil, that guy Breitbart is an example of that, where you can rationalize showing a skewed depiction of something that you've seemingly intentionally put up there to fuck someone over and to try to push your agenda ahead Well, that's just basic internet journalism.
You take a section of something, put a dot, dot, dot, take it out of context, and you can put it on an article and have that be something that someone finds, and then they'll read your stupid site.
Let's help people do it.
People do that in MMA reporting, they do it in everything, man.
What he's doing, though, in that one situation, what he's doing, it's especially sleazy, because someone exposed themselves to him in a really introspective way.
where she was honest about her own shortcomings and realized the right thing to do and did the right thing.
So when someone exposes himself like that and sort of does it in a way where they're trying to let you know how they think in a better way and that that's the right way to think, and then you just take a little snippet of that and make them look like a cunt.
And the fact that people like that are allowed to carry on, the fact that people like that are allowed to continue to spread their poison and lies and filth throughout the world without anyone doing anything to stop it.
Like fucking Glenn Beck.
Did you see that quote by Glenn Beck saying that Occupy Wall Street protesters are going to drag you out of your homes or something?
You think when they get a fucking giant group of them and there's one cunt that got $100 million in the bailout and he got his giant parachute reward for whatever for fucking over X amount of people and they know he's right behind some gates in New Haven, Connecticut or wherever the fuck they'd be.
At some point, if you really do want to have a revolution, you're going to have to...
You know, maybe do a little dragging out of houses here and there.
Exactly.
You know, like if that is what you want, I just think that we're, I don't know that this is, but I don't know.
I mean, the crowd psychology, it really could spread and perhaps, that's the weird thing about this kind of, like very tiny little, in the grand scheme of things, the very first We're seeing the spark of revolution.
We're seeing a fire of freedom.
It's a fire that springs up when people are being oppressed, and it's a beautiful thing to see.
It's a beautiful type of fire, and it's a very dangerous type of fire, and it's killed millions of people throughout time.
But, you know, when you see the very first spark of it like that, and you think, holy shit, There could be, living among us right now, the future's equivalent of George Washington.
There could be, right now, living among us, the first post-revolution leader.
You know what I mean?
Someone right now, if this shit spread and there was a coup...
It's fun to think about, okay, let's say that Obama and the entire government get their feelings hurt by Occupy Wall Street, and they're like, all right, you guys, here are the keys.
Like, you remember you were talking about StarCraft?
Talking about all different things you have to manage and click on this and click on that.
Imagine trying to run the United States of America, the military-industrial complex and its deep, deep, deep roots into the financial system and the CIA and the NSA and the fact that the CIA is essentially a shadow government, a government inside the government that does everything, including murder people.
We have to have a system of government that's through the internet because through the internet people can really communicate.
You can have civilizations and you can have communities on the internet.
I have a community.
The Rogan Board.
It's a community on the internet.
And we've established clear patterns of behavior in that community.
And you know, it's hard for any message board when you have a bunch of people to keep people in line, keep people cool.
But generally speaking, that message board is pretty filled with interesting people, cool conversations, and if you're a cunt, they throw you in the retard room.
And then you get a pink name, and you can only talk with the other assholes.
It's like all the assholes get lumped in together.
That is a community.
And that's a community where you have just a few people running in, and people get upset that the few people that are running it are being too, you know, they're...
Closing things down and yelling at people and abusing power and then you have to scale things back and you have to make some sort of a happy medium, a happy community where everybody agrees.
And the only way to do that in our world right now, the thing that makes the most sense to me, is the internet.
Because the internet is a way that everybody has...
But don't you think we're still going to have a problem with, like, the same reason why you look at, like, in the middle of the country, there's still going to be people voting for Annoying Orange, you know, in those stupid, annoying videos where you see on YouTube, and you're like, how does that have 90,000 hits?
You know, look, the real issue is we're all trying to pretend that everyone's equal.
And everyone's not equal.
Right.
We're just not.
We're not equal of mind.
We're not equal of body.
We're not equal of chance.
We're not equal of opportunities.
We're not.
It's a random hodgepodge of human beings.
And because of that, people are very hesitant to admit that if you were going to make a really big, important decision, there's some people that shouldn't be included in that The fallacy being the majority is always right.
Right, yeah.
Especially in a country that's been babyfed, like this motherfucker has, for the last few decades.
We've been babyfed.
There's no fights here on our soil.
We get attacked once.
And we go all apeshit and create two wars with people that never touched us and somehow justify the entire thing.
So it's some kind of like, so the idea would be, and by the way, I'm not expecting you to invent some new form of government right now on a podcast, but it's a fun thing to think about.
Like, okay, so it's like some kind of upvote system, but that still implies a majority still making the decision.
Now how am I going to do it as a Bible-believing Christian?
What are some tenants?
SimCity worked for me.
It's amazing, man.
And also the fact that he said that thing about the poet, not knowing someone's just going to do a simple Google search and the Pokemon theme's going to come up.
unidentified
Well, he probably is.
Maybe he's a Pokemon player and he thinks that's cool.
So what we're talking about is this big slick of, I mean, not even, it goes below the surface, deep below the surface, of plastic.
It's like the size of a state.
Like, it's enormous.
It's like Texas-sized.
And it's just the one spot where, and a lot of it is like broken down, because apparently a lot of it is plastic.
And after a long time in the ocean, all this plastic is broken down to just like this gooey, sloppy fucking shit, man.
And it's an enormous area that is covered in garbage.
The people who discovered this and then the people who've been investigating it, the scientists, were horrified.
I mean, what a crazy discovery to find out that You know, when you go, wow, these people are living right next to the ocean, and the ocean seems to be okay.
No, the fuck it does.
No, there's giant patches of all people's bullshit that they've thrown in there.
My mom has some property on this little island off the coast of Georgia, and it's kind of empty out there.
You go walking on the beach there, because no one's there.
You go walking on the beach there, and the shit that comes up on that beach...
it's like dude it's the weirdest fucking thing cuz it's like bottles from Jamaica and like well like there was we found like one of those old like refugee rafts that somebody had like fabricated together just kind of twisted and washed up there it's so fucking weird how interconnected everything is via the ocean at It's really, really strange that the currents just carry like...
Coconuts.
It's fucking...
It's crazy.
It's like people love to live under the illusion that we're not all connected.
That's one of the things that people really like to believe that there's no interrelation between what you do and the rest of the world and what the rest of the world does and you when the truth of the matter is we're completely connected in every single fucking way.
We're all one big thing Pretending that it's made up of individuals.
And the result of that kind of thinking is you get fucking a giant patch of dead water in the middle of the ocean.
And that's not affecting other things.
God knows what that's affecting.
Having that much dead space that used to be alive and filled with...
Fish and dolphins and whales and God knows what else.
My point is that right now, the overpopulation, the fact that there's so many people on the planet and that there's horrific wars happening, people have nuclear weapons, maybe it's a time where people need to be extremists.
I mean, there's different people who've got really smart...
When I went down to Occupy Wall Street, there are these guys who have a podcast called Red List Radio, and they've like...
It really explained a lot of shit about the Federal Reserve and quantitative easing to me in a way that really helped me understand it.
I'm not saying it needs some central leader, but I think it definitely can't hurt to have some nodes that are aggregators of whatever the information coming in is, which we already kind of have with Reddit.
You can go on Reddit and get good up-to-date information on OWS and stuff.
I think it's evolving.
I think it's going to evolve into something, and eventually there will be, there's got to be someone, if you don't want it to just be a chaotic mass, unless you believe that there's some kind of gestalt that's going to happen with this group of people that's going to somehow harmonize and create some kind of,
there's going to be an effect, some kind of weird effect from all these people having sort of the same idea, then Cool, but someone still has to be like, here's what we'd like to see changed.
Here's what we want to have happen.
And they are doing that.
They're saying, you know, abolish the Federal Reserve.
That's one of the things they want to have happen.
They want to tax, well, there's different versions of this, but tax like stock transactions or tax Wall Street.
There's like, they want to do that.
I think they want to tax the, well, I don't know what they all want.
You can't say what they all want because they all don't want that.
But there is stuff that keeps bubbling up about their basic demands that does seem to be mostly...
Obviously, right now, the financial system is insanely complicated.
I've tried many, many times to sit down and truly wrap my head around stocks and bonds and dividends and shorting.
I've given it a real good Solid auditing of how the whole process works.
And it's fucking insanely complicated.
There's so many players and so many pieces and so many things.
And just the idea behind confidence raising and lowering the value of something and stocks climbing and falling and the whole thing being alive and mobile and constantly fluctuating.
You start getting into stock markets and dividends.
I understand there's a need for credit.
I understand there's a need for a lot of things.
I understand there's a lot of shit that's going on where it's going to be weird, where people are holding money and saving money and putting money here and zeros there, but it's got to be a way more simple system than the system we have now.
Because there's too much room to fuck with it.
There's too much room for shenanigans.
It doesn't have to be the system we operate under.
The system we operate under should be simple and stringent and should be really easy to follow.
And that's way easier said than done, but that's what we really need to do.
Well, yeah, it's definitely, that's a big part of it, but there's like a thing underneath that too, which is that the people have got to start learning that buying constantly thinking that you need to have new shit Yeah, that's bad.
I'm saying, like, you're addressing the external manifestation of an internal problem that's existing in our culture as an idea of what it means to be happy.
Right.
That's what I think.
And I know people need credit cards now to pay for their family and all that stuff.
But I know a lot of people, their lives have gotten to the point where they get in this fucking car that they use credit to buy to drive to a job...
To drive two hours, a two-hour commute to get to a job where they have to work all fucking day long, and then they come back in the two-hour commute completely exhausted, and they think this is the way we're supposed to be living.
Well, I think the idea is to begin to open yourself up to the alternative.
Clearly, it's something to do with staying more local, like having communities of people.
I'm not saying let's go back to villages, Joe, but I'm saying there is something to be said for communities of people that are living close together and doing more than just waving at each other when they walk down the street.
But that's a broad solution for a singular problem that a person has if they are stuck in that sort of situation.
When is the solution for a guy who does have credit And does have a fucking car and does have a mortgage and has a family and is driving fucking an hour and a half every day to go to work.
A lot of people, when they came to the United States, there were intentional communities that happened.
I had this great book on utopias where people were coming here.
People came here, like the pilgrims, they wanted to start religious utopias.
That's what they were trying to do, is restructure society in a way that they could live in a In paradise, in a kind of Christian-based paradise.
It clearly didn't work.
It turned into this.
So what you'll hear, it's the same thing you hear about communism when you hear about people saying they want to create another society or experiment with a new way to live.
People are like, it doesn't work.
You can't do it.
Making these alternative communities doesn't work.
I think when you get over a certain amount of people, there's a thing called diffusion of responsibility.
If there's 300 people there, you're more likely to get raped than if there's three.
Because there's 300 people there.
All those people think someone's gonna help.
Someone's gonna step in.
Someone's gonna step in and help.
But no one does.
And they don't feel responsible because there's so many other people there.
Well, no one did.
I didn't step in, but no one did.
If it's just you and that one person getting raped, you feel obligated.
You have a responsibility.
You're a human being and you're right there.
When we get past the diffusion of responsibility number with human beings, which is exactly why we all should have a real philosophical problem with drones, And wars overseas with people that we don't understand and we don't know and we don't know why we're doing this.
It's easy when it's so many people and it's so far away.
It's way over there.
But if it's right here at home, then it hits you fucking hard.
Human beings, I think, are still designed in a system.
Our minds function in a system that works with a small group of people where we know everybody.
When we branch out of that, we are not designed to deal with The internet, like communicating with people in complete anonymity.
Why do you think people are such fucking complete rabid cunts online?
Well, because they're frustrated in their everyday life, and when they get online, they have this anonymity, and they can just lash out at people and fuck with people and score points, and they actually enjoy it.
Do you think we could ever get to a point where we could be, like, every state is their own country, like how it should be, you know, like how it is, kind of, like you have your state laws, but have less of a nation government.
You would say that, but we fuck with too many other countries, man.
You need national security.
Yeah, but they won't do that, because then they start fucking putting you in situations.
Look, Eisenhower warned about the military-industrial complex, and it sounds like some, you know, Alex Jones sounds like some nutty shit when, you know, you start talking about the idea that people are trying to go to war for money.
But they fucking are, man.
And the only way to keep people in war is you have to force people.
You know, when you have a bunch of states, if every state really was like its own country, and the United States didn't act as a whole, it wasn't out there fucking around with all those different parts of the world, we wouldn't have, you know, it would be a completely different setup.
Well, it seems like that would make a lot more sense, though, because it seems like it's too fucked up on a large scale that breaking it down into 50 pieces would be the only way to really save any, you know, get any kind of order from it.
The other option is there's going to be, this is what I, if I had to guess what I think is going to happen, barring natural disasters or any extreme world conflict that becomes nuclear, What's going to happen is we're going to have some sort of a connection through online communication that literally allows people to look inside each other's heads.
It allows you to even be inside another person's mind.
And then we all can link up as one mind And that's not That's not nearly as difficult as it sounds When you think about what we've already been able to do The fact that we can send video Through the fucking sky You know, when I was in Australia My wife was sending me pictures of the baby And she sends me pictures of the baby And I get them in a second Blip, blip, blip Images, photos, video.
It's fucking craziness, man.
The idea behind it is insane.
You can send a fucking picture and somehow or another it goes through these...
Where does it go?
It goes through the air and then eventually it hits some fucking metal box.
It's got electricity and it sends it to the other side of the fucking planet in a second.
Through the ocean and over the sky.
How the fuck is it even getting there?
Who knows?
I have no idea, but I know it was there.
Bink!
And that, to me, is way crazier, way crazier than the ability to experience someone else's consciousness.
You experience your consciousness, right?
You tune into your own consciousness.
You're there.
You're inside your head.
How do we know it's not just a simple frequency?
You just tune into it, and your mind and my mind lock up together and become one consciousness.
Well, that's a funny moment, too, because what would happen is that as this technology began to spread, it would start off in a laboratory where one scientist would merge minds with another scientist, and that would change their lives forever.
Just merging minds with one person in a real way It's going to forever change you because you'll know how similar you are to someone else.
You'll know if maybe you're completely different.
Maybe this person is actually happy in your whole life.
You've been lying about being happy to yourself and suddenly you feel someone who's really happy and you're like, oh shit, that's what it feels like.
That's what real happiness feels like.
And then you know how to become happy yourself.
So what would happen is it would spread from the laboratory.
It would spread out.
But eventually, people would rise up against it.
They'd be like, don't plug into the mind.
If you plug into the mind, you won't want to come back.
You won't be able to come back to your life.
People would fight it.
It would be a form of suicide.
Because after you've experienced consciousness at the scale of like the merged minds of like 15 million people...
How are you going to come back to your one little mind?
I don't know how to do jujitsu, but I merge consciousness with someone who's an expert at it, and suddenly I'm like, learn everything that they know about it.
Everyone would instantaneously gain the information of everyone else.
Everyone would become experts simultaneously and that would create like a surge forward in evolution.
I think that's that fucking singularity McKenna's talking about.
Everybody's like, the computers are gonna crush us!
It's like, no, that's not what it is.
We're just gonna merge with them.
We're gonna become part of an electronic web of consciousness and the moment everyone becomes an expert That's the moment that, you know, with our minds together, that's when you create the time machine, or that's when you create teleportation, or that's when you create some new form of life.
So then the next step, of course, is going to be perfecting that technology.
And then the next step is going to be like, okay, so I know that when someone's feeling happiness, then this is the part of his brain that gets activated.
So now all I've got to do is record that activated part of his brain, play that video back inside someone's brain, figure out a way to stimulate someone else's brain with that same activity, and boom!
Instead of fucking...
There'll be emotional records.
You know what I mean?
Instead of like record players, they'll be like these emotional devices where it'll be like the feelings of a summer day.
Well, the idea, if you can see something, okay, if you look at something and then that registers as an image and you can see that image on a computer, what about your imagination?
What about, is it possible to see, I mean, you're not seeing anything, but what's being registered when you are having a visual experience in a dream?
What exactly, where is that registering?
It's registering in your imagination, I guess.
Is there a frequency that can be tuned into, just like it is with that image when you see it from the eyes, is there a frequency that can be tuned into it?
I can't think it's a work of fiction because this year, if you watch technological advances, this fucking year, this year, for the first time as far as I know, because I know phones have had voice recognition technology, but this year, for the first time in human history, Now we have a device where you can talk to it like a person.
That so much of it seems so bizarre, and so much of it seems so fake, and...
Speaking of Breitbart, he's the one who busted Andrew Weiner for showing his cock.
You know what I'm saying?
These wars, this economy occupy Wall Street rising up just as you're getting older.
Just as your body's slowly starting to slow down and you're checking your heart for weird things every now and then and meanwhile everything's picking up overseas.
There's more war.
And then we might go to war with Iran.
It's almost like as your life becomes more and more complex and reaches the inevitable end, your story is getting more and more complicated.
Your story is getting more and more involved.
Your story, the story of the world that you live in, this work of imagination that whoever the fuck is hearing this has created.
And each one of us has created our own little version of it.
And they're all intertwined inexorably in some just crazy, meshy matrix of reality and thinking and love and peace and anger and bullshit and all intertwined together.
Just signals, just ones and zeros flying around through fucking space.
And as you get further and further along, your version of it just gets more and more fucked.
The point where you can't drink the water anymore and the sky's fucking brown and pollution and earthquakes and war and krakens.
It does seem like you'll run into someone that you haven't seen in a long time, and you've thought about them, and it's just the odds of running into them.
But people will quote statistics, and people will try to talk you out of thinking that way, and they'll tell you, well, I went through my entire life, and I'm real, and you didn't just think me up, and I have a...
Memory of my childhood and I'm really good at football and I learned how to play that over years and years of hard work.
So I'm not a part of your fucking imagination, pal.
I'm a real person.
You might be a part of your own imagination.
You might be creating your thing with your imagination as I create mine with mine, and they intertwine.
You know what this reminds me of, and stop me if I've already said this before, but did I ever talk about the idea of what would happen if the universe suddenly gained consciousness out of nothingness?
Did I ever talk about this idea I had when I was tripping?
It's like, so like, because I was thinking like, okay, what would happen if the universe woke up all of a sudden?
The terror comes from, this idea came to me when I was thinking like, what would happen if something fucked up and my consciousness got trapped in like a table or something like that?
But isn't that a school of thought, that everything has a consciousness?
Yeah.
We've talked about it several times that planets may very well be some sort of a super organism that can't express itself in movement to us, so we don't think of it as a living thing or as a conscious thing.
But the whole planet might have a type of consciousness.
That's ridiculous because that's a human idea or an animal idea.
And the only reason why you have this feeling of needing to be with someone is because that's how you fucking stay alive and don't get eaten by jaguars.
And we're the universe experiencing itself in this specific way.
The universe has...
It's divided itself.
The universe has divided itself into a lot of shit.
And part of that shit is feeling.
Lonely, pain, suffering, angst, horror, happiness, joy, all of it, it is the universe experiencing itself.
There's no way to deny that.
Unless you think humans aren't part of the universe, unless you think you're some kind of thing that's distanced or outside of everything else, you are You are infinity sticking its head into this little bubble of whatever this place is and feeling.
So what I thought was maybe what fucking happened was this consciousness, well what did happen is we do know it exploded.
We don't know if there was something before the Big Bang, but we do know it blew up.
Something exploded.
So I was thinking maybe it had some kind of fucking nervous breakdown.
It shattered into a bunch of fucking infinite pieces of which we're one part.
We're part of that.
What we are is one tiny little broken shard of the universe that blew up a long time ago.
And it's like...
What I considered, what I thought would be like this initial state of absolute horror, I think everyone in their own lives, in their own way, is dealing with it in a very small level.
The fear of death, the fear of merging back into the nothingness, the fear, all that stuff manifests in your life as fear and weakness.
And it's like, we're like tiny little fragments of the universe trying to fix itself on a minuscule level.
That's what I was thinking when I was tripping out.
And I think the reason why we have ego and desire and lust and greed and selfishness and, you know, any jealousy and all these issues...
They're all negatives and positives.
They're all pullers.
They're attractors to get us to do specific things.
And most importantly, to make sure that things stay in motion and that people continue to innovate.
They continue to want to produce things and continue to want to do things that are special.
So that they get attention or money or reward or pile up objects.
And I think that all these things, whether they're greed or selfishness or jealousy or fear or lust, all of them are essentially numbers or equations in a grand scheme of mathematical...
What's the word?
Not an algorithm, but like a program, like literally, like everything that exists, whether it's hot or cold or pleasure or pain or all these different things that the human animal and any other animal experiences are to guide that animal into a certain direction, To make sure the deer can keep breeding and staying alive to feed all the mountain lions, it's got to be difficult to catch.
It hears a branch snap, boom, the ears turn, they're very big, they pick up everything.
Why is all that there?
That's all that there is because that deer better be scared as fuck because that mountain lion can run fast, bitch, and you're going to get fucked.
So if you want to keep breeding, you want to stay alive, you have to be a scary cat little deer that freaks out.
All the shit that we have is designed to make us move in the way that we're moving right All of our fears, anxieties, greed, everything.
If I looked at it, I look at it as like a program.
I don't look at it as like the universe is going to feel fearful like we are.
I think that we are moving in this very certain direction and we are influenced by these very certain feelings and energies and emotions because we have a goal to do.
We are here on some sort of a weird task of accomplishing something, taking probably most likely the human animal to the next stage of evolution, whether it's some sort of a symbiotic connection that we're going to have with computers, whatever it is.
but it seems to me to be progress and technology driven all of it all of it all the greed and lust and material possessions and everything everything that that fuels human beings and all this is this existential wanting you know that i think is because that's that's just like the bee swarming around the queen and making a beehive i think it's the same thing i
I think we're moving in a way that's far more complex and we have this illusion of free will and all these other things that are sort of guiding us to believe that there's a much more grandiose What is it?
So it's like there's a magnet in the future, and that's a dumb word for it, but there's a thing in the future that's drawing us towards it and causing us to organize as it pulls us closer.
It's an omega point.
Teilhard Deschardins is like There's a Jesuit priest talked about this too, which is that there's an organizing principle in the future that's drawing us towards it in this sort of like spiral that we're moving towards.
Yeah, but McKenna had a really interesting way of looking at it because McKenna's idea was that...
There is a foregone conclusion.
There is an end point that must be reached in that what this end point does is it makes things become more and more complex as they reach it until it literally manifests itself.
It's manifesting itself in our innovation, in human beings in general, in the massive explosion of change that we have in just a few thousand years have imparted on this planet.
Or maybe it just does like you do when you're Zen on stage.
Maybe that's what the universe does.
Maybe the universe is when you tune into your best moments and you just do.
You're just in that zone.
You become Zen.
Maybe the universe is just ultimate Zen.
The Tao.
The Tao, exactly.
And what we're doing, by tuning into it in little brief moments with brilliant music or a great book or an incredible movie or something that just locks into it, what we're doing is tapping into that groove that you hit when you truly hit anything excellent.
And that groove is the universe itself.
And that the universe is never scared and alone and all that.
And as part of the universe, that means that the experience, the individual experience that you're having is a part of the universe having the experience.
Now, the reasons that you're having the experience don't take away the fact that you're experiencing it.
So what I mean is if you're happy...
Then you are one tiny little pixel of the universe experiencing happiness.
If you're scared, you're one tiny little pixel of the universe experiencing fear.
Okay, but I think that people can dwell on that shit, and it makes it way worse than it really is.
I think for sure there's some fear out there, but to say that it's the predominant emotion of people that are living their everyday lives working and having sex and playing with their children and going to the movies, I don't think the primary one is fear.
I think there's tourists on the beach, but also like, listen, I feel like I'm, to defend myself, I feel like I'm driving deeper and deeper into a pessimistic place, and I think that maybe the way that I chose my words is like not exactly right.
And I think you chase down an idea, and I'm guilty as well.
You chase down an idea, and sometimes in chasing down that idea, you discard or discount possible other ideas that might interfere with the path that you're on.
You know, and that is something that a lot of people do.
Okay, what I'm saying is I don't think the universe has any fucking fear at all.
I think if the universe was a universal consciousness, one thing that knew everything and was by itself, I don't think it would tweak, you know, because I don't think it needs to be in the buddy system.
The word is, and I'm probably going to mispronounce it, the word is Asinka-Sinka-Beta-Tatva.
And what that word translates into is simultaneous oneness and difference, which is the explanation they give for the universe, which is its existing...
As an entirety, as a whole, as a gestalt, as one thing.
But also, while it's existing as this one thing, it's existing as infinite number of units that are making it up.
And so, those units that are making up the sum total, some of those units, their experience is one of fear, or one of anger, or the more negative emotions.
And whether or not this is a biological imperative, let's imagine humans didn't even exist at all.
off it's just squirrels then the the or animals then those animals are still parts of the universe experiencing uh this certain emotion right but isn't that just so that they can keep breeding isn't aren't these just electrical signals that trigger certain behavior patterns that allow them to continue to their little cycle on earth so whatever the fuck they're there for whether they're to cultivate the ground so that trees grow better So they complete their cycles to dig and aerate the ground.
Or whether they're the human animal that fucking sparks the atom that blows up the fucking earth.
I don't even know why I have to use the word fear.
Let's say it's like...
You know, orgasm.
Because the experience of orgasm is a chemical reaction that's part of some grand equation working itself out doesn't negate the fact that orgasms exist or that they're obviously real.
So it's a real thing.
You know, and whether or not we feel fear because we're in some predetermined thing that's working itself out or whether or not we feel fear because we're...
And it would break into a billion pieces with that, what the fuck?
And that what the fuck is encapsulated in every single person.
And it's our life task.
And maybe this purpose you're talking about, maybe we agree on this point, it's our life task to turn that, what the fuck?
This is awesome.
This is amazing.
Oh my god.
This is the best thing that could ever happen.
And maybe as that feeling begins to escalate inside of people, which are parts of the universe, then maybe it'll keep escalating and escalating and escalating so the universe goes into this like...
Amazing cascade into eternal bliss, eternal happiness, a bliss that we can't even imagine, that keeps exponentially increasing and increasing and increasing and increasing, and we're just one tiny node on this movement towards them.
Do you believe it's possible that we are all our own universe and that somehow or another this isn't something that you can bang on with a hammer?
It's not...
The whole world isn't the material world of things being solid, but there is some sort of a fictional aspect to life, and that it almost is like your imagination and your mind and your intent really does have some effect on physical reality, and that it almost is like your imagination and your mind and your intent really does have some effect on physical reality, and that all of our physical realities, although they seem to be the exact same thing that we're all inserted into, we all have our although they we all have our own unique oneness.
And that our unique oneness interacts with everyone else's unique oneness, which is why it's very important to surround yourself with positive people.
Then you surround yourself with a bunch of positive universes.
You create more and more positive energy.
More and more positive experiences.
More and more good things are happening to all the people around you.
More and more happiness is being interchanged between each other.
That's how you really make a real community, right?
Because practically, it's just a smart thing to surround yourself with good people.
But the idea that you don't...
We're not exactly sure with this fuzzy line between consciousness and unconsciousness and sleeping and dreaming.
It's all going on and on in one cycle.
But we're not exactly sure what...
Part of it we're playing all the time.
We have to hit on things to be sure.
How many times have you had dreams where you...
Oh, it's a dream.
How do you not know that knocking on things isn't a fucking dream?
The whole idea that you can dream.
The idea that you can imagine.
The idea that there's some...
Some mystical part of your brain that sees things that aren't really there and puts them into position and moves them around and gives you a little fucking cartoon light bulb.
And then you write this down and you get together with a hammer and nail and some fucking wood and you create this thing that's never been created before.
What the fuck is that?
This is something that's manifesting itself in a solid form that has come out of nowhere.
I have a feeling that whole nowhere is a real realm.
The realm of thinking, the realm of consciousness and imagination, just because you can't bang on it with a fucking hammer doesn't mean it's not a real realm, a huge part of the ingredients of life.
And I think that we only measure the shit that we can bang on with a hammer.
And we look at the way that people influence their lives.
You know, she got a tit job and look what she did to her lips.
We look at all the different things you physically do to the stuff that you can hit.
That's what we measure and we decide that that's the entire ingredient list of life.
And I don't think it is, man.
I think there's some woo-woo shit going on, man.
There's some woo-woo Deepak Chopra type shit going on that seems ridiculous.
And so when you start, instead of just theoretically talking about it like what you don't like, if you start really thinking, okay, well, then what does that mean for my life?
How am I supposed to start acting then if I realize that I'm just some infinite part of something else?
It's going to swirl back out into nothingness real quick.
When I'm thinking about the stuff where if you're trying to figure out what the universe is, if it's alive, it's doing this or that, that's all great and stuff like that, but you don't really have a knowing answer.
unidentified
I don't like thinking about that kind of shit because we'll never probably know that answer.
I just don't know if I could deal with the wintertime.
People say it just gets fucking crazy.
I've talked to people that didn't say that.
Years ago, I have friends that live in Seattle, and years ago, I would ask them, you know, does it ever bother you the rain?
No, you know, no big deal.
It's whatever, man.
In the summertime, summer times are amazing.
You just kind of deal with it.
This is what it is.
And then you talk to them a couple years later, man, fuck this fucking weather.
Fuck this.
It seems to me to be something you think you can deal with, and you can deal with it, but...
It might slowly fuck with you as long as you don't realize there's an alternative.
If you ever lived in Southern California and then you moved up to Seattle, you might, after a while, be like, God damn, can I get some sun up in this bitch?
You fucking people are depressed for a reason, man.
Yeah, there seems to be a real correlation to how cool comedy clubs are getting and how your podcast is becoming popular because there's a lot of fucking podcast fans that come out to these shows and they're fucking awesome.
Somebody fucking palm banana bread and a Ziploc bag into my hand in Atlanta.
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There's a whole series of podcasts that Brian hosts outside of this that has Sam Tripoli as a podcast under him, and fucking Tom Segura as a podcast under him, and There's a bunch of different really funny people that have podcasts over there.
Just keep being who you are because you're cool as shit.
And all you people out there that are listening on your treadmills and on your elliptical machines and driving in your cars and sitting in the subway and on the train and we love you.