Sept. 10, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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| Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | ||
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The Joe Rogan Experience. | |
| Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! | ||
| Good. | ||
| King of Miami, what's up? | ||
| What's up, my brother? | ||
| Good to see you, man. | ||
| Always a fucking pleasure. | ||
| Always a pleasure to see you, too, man. | ||
| Bro, I've been a fan of yours since back in the day. | ||
| I saw you fought Bodog. | ||
| Bodog. | ||
| Yeah, I saw you fought Eve Edwards on Bodog. | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
| Damn, this dude's fucking dangerous. | ||
| Yes, I did, man. | ||
| Yeah, you're still in the game, man. | ||
| It's beautiful to see, you know? | ||
| Crafty veterans. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I attribute a lot. | ||
| To like God with the gifts that I was born and also the training that I do. | ||
| I never get too far away from the training. | ||
| And another thing is that I've kept it like natural for the most part. | ||
| I've seen a lot of guys come in four or five years. | ||
| They do a little bit of the enhancements and cheating and then tear this, break that. | ||
| So these guys ain't around no more. | ||
| I just feel like... | ||
| At one, I couldn't afford it when I was coming up or any of that stuff, so I just never did it. | ||
| So I've always kept my body more or less healthy. | ||
| I've had injuries that are horrible, obviously, in combat sports, but I've always just been able to heal through them. | ||
| One thing I've always believed in for the sport, for anybody listening, wanting to get into the sport and have longevity, is as long as you know that every day you can learn something new from whoever it may be, you'll always be going forward. | ||
| The moment you think you know it all, That's it, bro. | ||
| You fucked up, you know? | ||
| So I've always had that mentality since I was young, and I still have it to this day. | ||
| You know, a white book could teach me something or like a setup or something. | ||
| Not necessarily maybe the greatest technique, but just a different way to do a technique, and I might be able to pull it off. | ||
| So I've always stuck firm to that commitment, you know? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| That's very important to have that beginner's mentality. | ||
| You know, what is the worst injury you've ever had? | ||
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Like pain-wise, I poke for all that. | |
| I shot like a high crotch and the guy's elbow was like resting on his hip and he just like locked out and it went right into my thumb and his thumb went right into my eye and I was throwing up immediately like 10 seconds after I started throwing up and I couldn't I was doing like the Harlem Shake I couldn't control my body I was just shaking and throwing up it was so much pain After that, I had to wear an eye patch for about like five weeks because I had double vision. | ||
| So I would like look at you and see like two, three of you and that would last it for like five weeks. | ||
| So I was supposed to have surgery on it and they scheduled me for surgery. | ||
| I came back in and the doctor was like, hey man, maybe you don't need surgery. | ||
| You did amazing healing, like sweating has gone down a little bit. | ||
| You kind of don't need the surgery. | ||
| So I was like, oh, let me not get the surgery. | ||
| And I wore the eye patch for five weeks. | ||
| That was the most painful injury of my life. | ||
| The other ones have just been like long-lasting injuries. | ||
| Like my hand is all fucking wrecked, you know? | ||
| Back's pretty messed up, but I get through it, you know? | ||
| Cold plunge, sun, a lot of stretching, things like that. | ||
| I could work through it, but the eye and the hand have been the worst, probably. | ||
| Did you break the hand? | ||
| No, but I've torn, like, numerous ligaments and tendons on the hand, you know? | ||
| That's why my fingers look like they're throwing up gang signs all crooked and stuff, you know? | ||
| But yeah, that's been, like, one of the more lagging ones. | ||
| And the knees and stuff, you know how sporty you're pulling on your joints, meniscus there here, ACL there. | ||
| But those, I've been able to rehab and work through them. | ||
| They suck, like, when I'm running on, like, on a cold day. | ||
| But it's nothing that I can't work through. | ||
| The hand is, like, sometimes I gotta just give it a pause, like, a week I can't throw my right hand. | ||
| I just gotta use my left and stuff like that. | ||
| I remember when you got a meniscus injury, and I was worried about that, but you just rehabbed it? | ||
| Just rehab, man. | ||
| I don't really like surgery, you know, and I've talked to a lot of other athletes that did do, like, the meniscus repair, and then it tore again, and then around for, like, six months, I was like, nah, it's not going to be me. | ||
| So I've always focused on, like, rehab, get whoever's the best rehab person around at that time that I could find for that particular injury, and just get to work, and if after some time... | ||
| I'm not seeing any gains, and maybe I'll try some other stuff. | ||
| And there's so many advances in the medical field. | ||
| Now, like, the stem cell, that's helped me out tremendously with my knees, giving me a full range of motion to be able to, like, squat all the way down. | ||
| I was having trouble, like, breaking parallel. | ||
| Once I'd have a little bit of weight on my back, I'd just feel crazy tension on my knees. | ||
| Since the stem cell, I got, like, a full range of motion back on my knees, you know? | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| The hand as well. | ||
| Where did you go to get the stem cells? | ||
| The UFC sent me up for my hand. | ||
| I went to California, and it was freaking amazing. | ||
| It was right after the Nate Diaz fight. | ||
| Both my hands were jacked, and on one of the blows that I hit Nate with, I hit him in the top of the head, and you can see it on the video. | ||
| My hand folds. | ||
| I just kind of had like shitty technique for that one punch, and I couldn't even wipe my ass. | ||
| I swear to you, bro. | ||
| The pain that I had, I couldn't bend it in like that. | ||
| I did the stem cells. | ||
| Three weeks later, I was like, holy smokes, this is insane. | ||
| In my knees and hands, I did it down in Colombia at BioAccelerator. | ||
| That was freaking a great time, too. | ||
| That's the way to go. | ||
| When you go to those other countries, whether it's Panama or Colombia, or they do it in Tijuana now, too, it's like they can do shit that you can't do in America. | ||
| They just load you up. | ||
| You get the full spectrum over there. | ||
| Yeah, and you just... | ||
| It fucking heals everything. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| It's great for stuff that you don't even know is wrong. | ||
| It's great for just overall longevity and body healing. | ||
| I haven't done them because you know how you saw this with us, but I've heard about the IV stem cells as well that are great for you as well. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's incredible. | ||
| It sucks that the IV thing is an issue. | ||
| But, you know, it's... | ||
| I mean, you don't cut a ton of weight. | ||
| I mean, you used to fight at 55 and at 70. Yeah, at 55, I was a ton of weight, a ton of water weight, because my body... | ||
| I lived a different life. | ||
| Very strict diet for, like, I had to... | ||
| Once I turned, like, 25, 26, I had to have, like, proper notice, like, nine weeks' notice to get myself in shape, to come in and fight weak at, like, 174, to drop down to 156, and right around, like, 172, 173... | ||
| I was 5% body fat already, so it was just straight water, and it was fucking torturous. | ||
| And then USADA, when I decided to move up, USADA came in the game and outlawed the IVs for us, right? | ||
| So I was like, there's no way I can make 155, and that's when I made my move to 70. But it's been phenomenal for you at 70. I think you're better at 70. I really feel because you're just stronger, healthier. | ||
| I didn't have the pop at 155 after I turned 26, 27, which usually a man loses his strength and power at the end of his career, you know? | ||
| And it was like a month before the fight, I'd be hurting people in sparring. | ||
| As I got nearer to the fight, I didn't have that electricity, that pop-pop! | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I really started to like, man, fuck, you know, it's something I'm going to have to do, and it was in the back of my mind. | ||
| But I would always work out with 70-pounders and like 45-pounders. | ||
| At American Top Team, we had a lot of standouts at 155, so I would work out with them as well. | ||
| But I was like, we might have to cross paths, so I didn't make it like my main stable to work out with those guys. | ||
| So I knew that there was a strength level difference at me at 170, but I knew I could hurt those guys when I'd touch them, you know, every time. | ||
| So I knew if I could work on my strength gains and get a little size, I'd be alright at 70. Oh, well, look at the Darren Till knockout. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| That was fucking phenomenal. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I wonder how many fighters are cutting their career short by dehydrating the shit out of themselves. | ||
| It's rough. | ||
| You know, when you're young, you get away with it, always. | ||
| Your body, you could get run over by a truck and you wake up the next day, but there comes a point where you kind of just lose that, you know? | ||
| And I don't care how young you are, your chin, once you cut over like 12, 13, 14 pounds of water, your chin and legs take a massive He's a massive hit, I feel. | ||
| Yeah, that's why I'm amazed that Pajera, who walks around like 40 pounds heavier than 185, he's fucking huge. | ||
| Yeah, but usually the big boys also could have more water to release, you know, the 205ers, the 85ers, the heavyweights. | ||
| But yeah, that guy's massive. | ||
| I've seen pictures of him off-season, I'm like, holy smokes, he looks like a fucking small heavyweight at times. | ||
| When he gets into the octagon at 185, you can't believe he ever weighed 185. He's so fucking big. | ||
| It's a giant advantage, but I wonder how long he could do that. | ||
| He's like 34 now. | ||
| I wonder how long his body's going to allow him to dehydrate the shit out of himself like that. | ||
| It catches up, I think. | ||
| Well, he's already talked about going to 205. Nice. | ||
| So you got a big fight coming up. | ||
| You're mid-camp. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Thanks for coming down, man. | ||
| Hell yeah, bro. | ||
| So, Gilbert, that's a good fight. | ||
| It's a great fight, man. | ||
| I think wrestling is not that good, so I know I could negate him on the wrestling takedowns and just keep his stand-up. | ||
| And stand-up, he makes a lot of mistakes constantly, I feel. | ||
| Just looking at it from a striker's point of view, I feel he's tailor-made for me to give him a fucking left hook to the jaw and end his night, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's an exciting fight, and Gilbert's a fucking dangerous man. | ||
| And it's the co-main event in Miami. | ||
| It's going to be wild. | ||
| 20 years I ain't been in Miami. | ||
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Woo! | |
| That's going to be wild. | ||
| Just the moment when you get into that fucking octagon, the pop that you get. | ||
| It's going to be insane. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| In Miami? | ||
| Woo! | ||
| In Miami. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| And forever, though, the road has been my home, so I've always felt comfortable. | ||
| Like, okay, we're going to fight Abu Dhabi, Fight Island. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| We're going to fight California, Texas. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| I've always felt great. | ||
| So definitely it's going to be like a little bit more added pressure, a little different. | ||
| Being in my actual home. | ||
| But you're going to wake up in your own bed. | ||
| I'm going to wake up in my own bed. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| I'm going to take a drive from my house to the arena in my car. | ||
| It's all going to be like if I'm going to sparring, but a little bit more added chips to it. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah, it's an exciting time for the welterweight division, too. | ||
| You know, with you having that beef with Leon, and Leon now having retained the title, and they're talking about Colby, but I feel like with a good showing against Gilbert, you skip the line. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| And Leon wants it, you know, more than anything. | ||
| He wants it more than anything. | ||
| Just for the history that we have, and also we're gonna sell the most pay-per-views if me and him are in that cage. | ||
| It'll sell a lot. | ||
| It'll sell a lot. | ||
| It'll be a big fight. | ||
| It's gonna be a gigantic fight. | ||
| What did you think about the rematch, the rubber fight with Leon and Kamaru? | ||
| A little lackluster, you know? | ||
| Usman, maybe like there was times where I didn't see him like stepping on the gas like he usually does, you know? | ||
| And it might have been because he just took this fight too early. | ||
| I always think that when a fighter gets knocked out, you really, you know, and I got this from like the old timers in boxing, you need to really let your brain and your confidence like heal and come back, you know? | ||
| Because then you get back in and you get touched and you're like, whoa, I might get knocked out. | ||
| And you pull the brakes and you start like, you know, maybe second guessing yourself. | ||
| So I think maybe he took it a little bit too early. | ||
| You know, I do think that he's in a way better fighter than Leon in a lot of aspects. | ||
| But Leon just has his number, it seems right now. | ||
| Well, Leon was also super confident coming into that fight. | ||
| You know, I feel like once a guy becomes the champion, they gain confidence and they gain ability because they just have this understanding of what they're capable of doing. | ||
| And the fact that it was in England, it was... | ||
| And he had the title. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he knocked him out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All the above. | ||
| A lot of factors. | ||
| You just don't know how a guy's going to come back after his first KO loss. | ||
| And it was a bad one. | ||
| It was a brutal one. | ||
| Usman was down for a bit. | ||
| How long after the Camaro fight did you take off? | ||
| Close to like eight to nine months. | ||
| Maybe even longer, you know. | ||
| All my coaches wanted me. | ||
| Plus, it was like the first KO of my career, you know. | ||
| So, more so on like, not my body was already healed, my brain, but they wanted to make sure that my mind was right, you know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How long did it take you to get over it? | ||
| Um, I still haven't got over it, brother. | ||
| I want to fucking rip Usman's fucking brains out, you know? | ||
| Nothing personal. | ||
| I just want to get back in there and do it to him, you know? | ||
| I've never been knocked out, and I've fought a lot. | ||
| You know, we were talking about earlier, Yves Edwards. | ||
| Like, I've fought great strikers, you know, and they never even came close to knocking me out. | ||
| And it's not that this Usman, but he's not... | ||
| I don't put him in the league of one of these great strikers. | ||
| He's a great fighter because he can do a lot of things well. | ||
| But after fighting him the first time, and getting his best shots, and I cut 20 pounds of water, and I took the fight in six day notice, and I went to Abu Dhabi, I was like, bro, this guy will never hurt me. | ||
| Like, he hits like a bitch, and then all of a sudden, he's the dude that knocks me out. | ||
| I had five rounds with him. | ||
| So, in that, I think it was nine months since the first fight, that he gained that type of power was just... | ||
| Nuts to me, you know, it was like unreal, unnatural, you know, because I felt his fucking best punches in the first fight for five rounds and never hurt me, never like shook me up good, you know, and then boom, surprise hit in the second fight. | ||
| So do you think it was a matter of you not respecting his power and on top of that him just getting better? | ||
| I always respect anybody who has two hands and two feet so it's not like I'm trying to do the touch me in the chin and I'll give a shot to take a shot. | ||
| Definitely caught me by surprise when he started to load up I kind of saw like the back of his head so I thought for sure he's going to shoot so I start to like drop my hands and I notice like midway oh it's a right hand. | ||
| I try to check hook him but it's too late already that the right hand already Penetrated the force field and took my ass out, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a moment that happens to many fighters and it defines who they are, how they bounce back from it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I'm coming strong, man. | ||
| I feel my mind after that fight may be... | ||
| I'm not going to lie. | ||
| I went into a dark place for a while because, like I said, I'd never been knocked out. | ||
| It was just fucking... | ||
| Nuts to me like bro this guy's the one that fucking literally knocked me out like I was out cold It wasn't like a like you stopped it early nothing I know in my heart of hearts this guy fucking knocked me out and for me to to think Usman's the one that knocked me out I never would have bet it that this guy would knock me out so It uh it affected me bro bad. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Do you ever go to a sports psychologist? | ||
| I just listen to Jordan Peterson on YouTube, man. | ||
| That's my dude right there for many, many years. | ||
| Have you ever met him? | ||
| I haven't got the chance, but I'm actually, by coincidence, he's in Florida April 9th, and I'm doing everything in my power to make sure that I'm there. | ||
| Right after my fight, I'm going to go. | ||
| He's going to have a conference down in... | ||
| I'll connect you guys. | ||
| Yeah, I'll connect you guys. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| He's going to be in Florida, so I was like, bro, I gotta go. | ||
| I just want to sit in the crowd and listen to this dude. | ||
| I've been listening to him for years on YouTube and stuff. | ||
| And I listen to a lot of motivational speakers and stuff. | ||
| Sports psychologists, I've never really seen one personally, but I'm sure it would help. | ||
| Yeah, it certainly can help, but Jordan is essentially giving you sports psychology. | ||
| He's giving you, like, life lessons. | ||
| And not just sports. | ||
| I think, for me, I have, like, a lot of bad habits that I had from, like, growing up, you know? | ||
| And the way that I did that I took into the pro world, and I was still succeeding, you know? | ||
| I was... | ||
| Let's say I stayed up all night for whatever reason was. | ||
| I was either chasing money or chasing chicks. | ||
| And then I went to sleep at 4 a.m. | ||
| And I woke up at 9 a.m. | ||
| And I went to the gym at 10. And I beat everybody's ass in that room. | ||
| And I'm like, I don't have to change nothing. | ||
| And I went on to beat numerous good guys, challenged for world titles outside of the UFC. And I was doing really good. | ||
| So part of me was like, this is just me. | ||
| I'm just this person. | ||
| But that wasn't the best version of me. | ||
| Little by little, I've had to tear layers off me and like, hey, this is no good. | ||
| And every time I've done that and I've found out something maybe was holding me back, I've been able to get to the next level. | ||
| So it's good to hear somebody like Jordan that addresses and like, bro, you're a pussy, bro. | ||
| If you can't let this go, he tells you how it is. | ||
| It's like, this is why and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| So I like it like that, like straight, raw, like just tell me the truth, you know? | ||
| So... | ||
| I feel that for me personally, not just in the sports, but in like my life in general, like finding those things that hold me back in many things, you know, on the personal side that I could bring into the professional. | ||
| And then it's like, it makes all the sense in the world, you know, like let's say I stopped eating Domino's pizza now for like a month or whatever junk food I was like binging on. | ||
| And then I see like results and stuff. | ||
| It's like, man, I just got to change my whole lifestyle. | ||
| Not just before the fight, but year round, you know, and those are the things where I like struggle and I've been working on a lot, you know. | ||
| That's the problem, I think, with really talented guys, is that you can kind of get away without being disciplined. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you don't realize that if you were disciplined, you'd be one of the greats. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like, I have the discipline to make it to the gym under three hours of sleep or ten hours of sleep. | ||
| I'm gonna make it to the practice. | ||
| The coach is always gonna check my name. | ||
| I'm always just gonna show up to practice. | ||
| But was it the fucking absolute best version of me showing up to that practice? | ||
| Many times not, especially when I was younger, man. | ||
| And just because In that room, whatever particular room I was in, I was always like a standout or one of the better guys. | ||
| I was like, bro, I don't got to change nothing, bro. | ||
| I remember there was a video that the UFC put out. | ||
| I think the UFC put it out. | ||
| It was a younger you. | ||
| We were just playing video games all night. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| And everybody was like laughing about this just yeah, that's what he does Yeah, and you know since young since I want to say like 17 years old I started sleeping like five hours a day just because I Couldn't get more than that I'd lay in bed I could go to sleep at 10 a.m. | ||
| And I just wake up like a 5 6 a.m. | ||
| Wired so I started pushing those boundaries like well, then I go to sleep at 3 in the morning I'll wake up at like 9 just fine. | ||
| I woke up at 10 fine and I did that for a large part in I felt good, you know? | ||
| But with age, I can't do that no more. | ||
| Nowadays, I get like my five cycles of an hour and a half at least minimum, you know? | ||
| If not, I feel it nowadays, you know? | ||
| And this started happening to me when I was like 34, 35. Like, it took a while for it to hit me. | ||
| Now, sleep is top three priority for me. | ||
| It never used to be. | ||
| It used to be like, I'll take a nap if I'm that tired or something like that. | ||
| Nowadays, it's like, man, I need my good sleep if I'm going to get a good workout in, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it's good that you're aware of that. | ||
| Some people never learn that lesson. | ||
| Sleep is everything. | ||
| It is everything. | ||
| Your body recovers during sleep, and also your mind recovers. | ||
| I mean, just to know that you're well-rested when you're getting up and getting through the day, you just know you got a full battery. | ||
| I never even believed in that. | ||
| I was like, man, that's just motherfuckers being pussy talk. | ||
| What do you mean you need eight hours of sleep? | ||
| What you need? | ||
| You sleep when you die. | ||
| It used to be like a common thing. | ||
| Everybody around me would always say, sleeping's for the birds or for dead people. | ||
| And I really, like, kinda just embodied that. | ||
| Like, man, I don't need to sleep to go training. | ||
| Now it's the complete opposite. | ||
| I'm trying to clock in as many hours on a consistent basis leading up. | ||
| But this is not just now for this fight camp. | ||
| I've been trying to implement that for, like, the last two years of my life, you know? | ||
| Well, I think that's something that, you know, it's a part of what makes fighters great, is they have that incredible confidence, and they don't give a fuck, and they think they're different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Arrogance? | ||
| Yeah, a little bit of that. | ||
| I mean, look at that. | ||
| That's Jon Jones in a nutshell, right? | ||
| I mean, one of the funniest fucking lines ever was when John was talking to DC at the press conference. | ||
| He was like, I beat you when I was doing coke. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| A whole night, a weekend of cocaine or something like that. | ||
| That guy's just like, you talk about uber talent, that guy's like, next level shit. | ||
| Next level. | ||
| I mean, fuck. | ||
| And he happens to be fucking mean. | ||
| Because a lot of talented guys, sometimes they're not like the meanest guy. | ||
| This guy's... | ||
| Mean as it fucking gets, you know? | ||
| Yeah, that's everything. | ||
| That's everything. | ||
| And it's just all the above. | ||
| Genetics, discipline, intelligence, game planning. | ||
| I mean, nobody game plans like John. | ||
| Yeah, I've heard he's a student of the game, studios, watching film every day, all day long. | ||
| Like, that is so much discipline, you know? | ||
| Like, he's wired that into his system. | ||
| That's who he is. | ||
| There's a lot of fighters that just don't watch any tape, period, you know? | ||
| Do you watch a lot of tape on guys? | ||
| I'll watch at different stages, and then my coaches will keep breaking down stuff, and they'll show it to me. | ||
| I don't watch tape every day, but I do go on segments. | ||
| Tonight, I saw somebody for two hours, and I'll just keep that in my brain, and I'll try to bring that to sparring. | ||
| These are the game plans that I read in my head. | ||
| I think so-and-so is a sucker for this, this, and that. | ||
| And then I bring that into sparring. | ||
| I try to emulate it. | ||
| And the guys, obviously, that I bring into sparring are not the guy I'm going to fight, but they're supposed to be, you know, very similar style, something like that. | ||
| So I know if it starts working on them, then I'm like one step away from bringing into mass production and bringing it to the world. | ||
| So that's kind of how I do it. | ||
| I just also don't want to look at somebody all day long because I want to focus on me and my strength as well. | ||
| You know, I want to be aware of their strengths and what they're good at and what positions I don't want to be involved with them. | ||
| But I'm worried about me, you know. | ||
| Yeah, no, I understand. | ||
| Are you 36 now? | ||
| 38. 38. Whoa, you look good. | ||
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Let's go. | |
| You look good. | ||
| How much long do you think you got in the game? | ||
| You know, that's a question that I got the answer to it. | ||
| You know, I'm at American Top Team. | ||
| I feel the best gym in the fucking world. | ||
| We have numerous established killers right now, and we have another world of guys coming up, of young, hungry talent that nobody knows of that are just fucking killers. | ||
| And I've always felt like when I come into the gym and I can't hang with the pack, when I can't, you know, do around with, you know, so-and-so, and then after that go with so-and-so and so-and-so, and I'm getting the worst end of it consistently, I'll call it quits because I don't want to be a stepping stone for nobody. | ||
| I've been in this sport for 20 years. | ||
| So when I get into American Top Team, I mean, I'm working out with the best of the best. | ||
| You know, I truly feel in my heart that the best middleweight right now, his name is Johnny Eblen. | ||
| He's at Bellator. | ||
| He's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| This guy could wrestle. | ||
| This guy could punch. | ||
| This guy could kick. | ||
| He's just a beast. | ||
| And we've been sharpening iron, me and him, forever. | ||
| And there's days that he fucking runs me over. | ||
| There's days that I do very well, that I hold my own. | ||
| And we have great sessions. | ||
| So the times that I start to just get the worst at the end of the sessions, it's time for me to hang it up. | ||
| I don't need to go in the ring to find out. | ||
| Once I can't keep up with the pack no more, I know my time has come. | ||
| And it's going to hurt like fuck because this is... | ||
| All I've known, this is my first, my last love, this is my everything. | ||
| But at the same time, I'm not going to do a disservice to my body and let guys beat me that could have never held my jockstrap proudly during my prime, you know, so that'll be when I call it quits. | ||
| Once the gym is telling me like, hey, you know, your time has come. | ||
| I'm cool with it, you know? | ||
| I just fucking gracefully bow out. | ||
| Well, that's a great situation to be in. | ||
| We still have the love, but you're also aware that there's a reality of just your biological limits. | ||
| Yeah, and I mean, it's gonna happen to all of us, you know? | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| Maybe Randy Couture was fighting until, what, 44, 45 years old? | ||
| Yeah, crazy. | ||
| He was doing it big. | ||
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Also pre-USADA. Yeah, pre-USADA, yeah. | |
| A little bit different, yeah. | ||
| Those days would be different. | ||
| Sylvester Stallone strand, I think it was called, yeah. | ||
| Well, listen, fucking Vitor changed his whole fucking world when TRT was in. | ||
| All of a sudden, Vitor was... | ||
| I think TRT Vitor was one of the greatest fighters of all time. | ||
| Most dangerous, you could say. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He was so confident. | ||
| When he fought Luke Rockhold and hit him with a wheel kick, I'm like, what the fuck? | ||
| You've never even seen Vitor throw wheel kicks before. | ||
| Speed, the power, like something... | ||
| He turns into like a mutant when there's certain things involved in his body, you know? | ||
| Yeah, some little pharmacological intervention. | ||
| A lot of shit gets going. | ||
| Kind of wish they'd bring it back. | ||
| I really do because there's something about the veterans They have the mind like that was the thing with Vitor. | ||
| They had this wealth of I mean, I first saw Vitor fight in 1997 I was training the same gym as him because I was at Carlson Gracie's in LA and he was 19 and You know and we all knew like god damn. | ||
| He was a fucking athlete Crazy athlete and he was a speed black belt. | ||
| Yeah, he was in jiu-jitsu was knocking people dead Yeah, no one expected that. | ||
| When they first saw him fight, like Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt under Carlson Gracie, everybody's like, oh, he's going to take guys down and submit them. | ||
| And he was just lighting people up. | ||
| Trey Tellegman, Scott Ferrozo, won the tournament at 19. Everybody was like, holy shit. | ||
| Vandele Silva. | ||
| Oh, ran through Vandele. | ||
| And then Vandele went on that crazy streak in pride, so it just elevated the fuck out of Vitor. | ||
| And Vitor did that to him? | ||
| Holy smoke. | ||
| I kind of wish they'd let people do whatever the fuck they want to do. | ||
| Well, other organizations are very lax. | ||
| Or just like make it like even playing field for everybody because it's just like USADA oversees the Americans a lot harder than a lot of these other countries that they can't even get into, you know? | ||
| Oh yeah, they're not traveling to the mountains of Dagestan to give people piss tests. | ||
| You know, so it's just like, man, just make it fair for everybody. | ||
| If I'm getting tested 20 times a year, so-and-so and so-and-so and social should also be getting tested 20 times a year, you know? | ||
| Well, the worst shit is like you hear stuff from like Volkanovski. | ||
| They wake him up at like 6 o'clock in the morning the day before the fight. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| Cutting weight. | ||
| Yeah, my last camp it was the same shit. | ||
| It just doesn't make sense. | ||
| They came on a Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday between 5.15 and like 6.30 in the morning from my fucking house. | ||
| Three days in a row? | ||
| Three days in a row. | ||
| Just to make sure. | ||
| And it's like, well, how about my sleep, bro? | ||
| You guys just wrecked. | ||
| I usually get up around 8 in the morning. | ||
| I'm out the door by 9.15. | ||
| I have a schedule, and this is a week before a fight. | ||
| You guys are just wrecking my shit, because now I'm going to go back to sleep, or I'm going to stay up. | ||
| It fucks up your day. | ||
| You could get hurt in training because of that, because you're tired. | ||
| You get caught with something maybe you shouldn't have got caught with. | ||
| I get it maybe like one time, but they literally showed up three times in my crib like that, you know? | ||
| Why do you think they do that? | ||
| Like someone tell them like maybe you're doing something? | ||
| They think they're being slick? | ||
| That's just stupid. | ||
| I don't think I've... | ||
| Before that, I had gotten tested throughout, you know, my career. | ||
| Maybe like once or twice around those times. | ||
| And there had been a while where they were just coming in at a regular time. | ||
| I'd get to the gym, they're there waiting for me. | ||
| I wake up, 7.15, 7.30, they're there. | ||
| You know, maybe a couple afternoon later shifts at the gym again. | ||
| And that's all understandable, you know, or even catch me right now when I get off the plane at the airport. | ||
| Cool, but, you know, on Sunday, on a Sunday they came, I wanted to let my fucking dogs loose on me. | ||
| You know, and I got a big old fucking gate. | ||
| I was hoping they would have just jumped that gate because my dogs would have ate them alive, man. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| It makes me furious. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| The fact that they did that to fighters that are like the day before a title fight. | ||
| All the things you have to worry about. | ||
| Like if they want to test someone, test them at fucking one in the afternoon. | ||
| Test them when they're done training. | ||
| Test them before they train. | ||
| Do whatever the fuck you got to do to make sure they're not cheating. | ||
| But don't interrupt their sleep. | ||
| And more so than anything, I think it's consistency, right? | ||
| Like, if you're testing me, I get it, it's random, but if you're testing me 20 times and my opponent got tested four times, what the fuck is that? | ||
| What the fuck is that? | ||
| Let's make it fair on all sides. | ||
| It should be a minimum, I think, of everybody should get tested like 30 times a fucking year, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then certain guys that they're already like, hey, I think this guy, okay, fucking double it for that guy. | ||
| Make it 60. But everybody should be at a baseline of getting tested a shitload amount of times. | ||
| I think it's good that the UFC did something, but I think ultimately what they did is a little bit of overkill. | ||
| Particularly the IVs for rehydration. | ||
| I know that they're saying that it can mask performance-enhancing drugs. | ||
| Well, test them before they get an IV. There's ways to test. | ||
| It's healthier for the fighter to have an IV. It's really healthier for the fighter. | ||
| What they really should do, and I've been saying this forever, and I know it's hard to do, but they should outlaw weight cutting. | ||
| They should figure out a way where fighters fight at their natural... | ||
| Make more weight classes and have fighters fight at a natural weight. | ||
| You're talking about... | ||
| You're about to fucking go to war for five rounds in a cage 24 hours after you're almost dead, which is really what happens to a lot of these guys. | ||
| It's like running a marathon in the desert. | ||
| That's what I used to feel like, man. | ||
| I'd be just sucking water, no calories, no nothing. | ||
| And then you get in there and you're kind of like a shell of yourself, you know? | ||
| But I do agree with you. | ||
| There is some components that they could, you know, monitor your weight during the training camp. | ||
| What's the heaviest you got? | ||
| What's the lightest you got? | ||
| Come up with an average of that. | ||
| Then, hey, you can't weigh more than 190 on fight day. | ||
| If not, pay a fine or I don't know what the fuck. | ||
| Well, one FC is trying to do something like that, but I heard that one of their events, like eight fighters missed weight, which is fucking crazy. | ||
| And they have a hydration test as well. | ||
| Yeah, I don't even understand it. | ||
| I mean, I know they do that with college wrestling. | ||
| I know they do hydration tests, but... | ||
| I don't really agree with those either, though, you know? | ||
| If I did cut more water than the next guy and I still made the weight, the fuck, let me compete, you know? | ||
| Right, yeah. | ||
| I mean, Javante Davis has a... | ||
| He has a clause. | ||
| Ten pounds or something? | ||
| Yeah, with Ryan, where he can't weigh more than a certain amount after the weigh-in. | ||
| That's a little, yeah. | ||
| Kind of bitch-ass. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| A little bit. | ||
| What do you care what he weighs, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you got in that fight? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I mean, I'm a giant Gervonta fan. | ||
| I think he's super fucking talented, but Ryan has that left hook. | ||
| That left hook is preposterous. | ||
| He's got the reach on him too. | ||
| That left hook is so fast. | ||
| Like, he catches guys in exchanges you don't even see it land. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's mostly left hook. | ||
| I know he has a right hand, he uses it, but his left hook is just so... | ||
| That style that he uses, using that reach and just whipping that left hook, it's very unusual. | ||
| And his speed is way above natural. | ||
| He's really up there with the hand speed. | ||
| But so is Gervonta, especially in the pocket. | ||
| Gervonta in the pocket is a monster. | ||
| He reminds me of like a little Tyson. | ||
| He's short and he conserves his punches. | ||
| Where, you know, like the first few rounds, he throws very few punches. | ||
| He's just measuring. | ||
| He's a computer, man. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He's just getting the data on you, faking you, taking pictures of everything you do. | ||
| And then like round three, round four, he starts to fucking just... | ||
| He's dialed in. | ||
| He's slipping. | ||
| He's got special power, too. | ||
| His power's special. | ||
| And he's mean, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Mean is a big part of it, isn't it? | ||
| I think having that dog, being mean is the biggest part in it. | ||
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| In being a fighter. | ||
| Because you could be a great athlete. | ||
| One day you're going to come across another great athlete. | ||
| It's who's got more dog in him. | ||
| Do you think Wonderboy's mean? | ||
| I think he's secretly mean. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| He's very competitive. | ||
| He's the nicest dude. | ||
| One of the coolest guys and a for real nice guy. | ||
| I've met him numerous times off camera, just me and him chilling. | ||
| And the dude's generally a good dude. | ||
| But once he gets in, he's hyper competitive. | ||
| He wants to win at all costs. | ||
| He's going to put himself at harm's risk to make sure he gets that W. I've always liked Wonderworld. | ||
| I couldn't believe Kevin Holland decided to have a kickboxing fight with him. | ||
| I couldn't believe Kevin Holland. | ||
| They made a deal. | ||
| No going to the ground. | ||
| He's like, let's just stand up. | ||
| Like, what are you saying? | ||
| I don't think Holland was going to take him down anyways. | ||
| Well, I think he would try. | ||
| I mean, Holland's a fantastic jujitsu guy. | ||
| Yeah, but the wrestling issue. | ||
| And that is like, One of the things that drains people. | ||
| He might have got stopped earlier if he went for a takedown. | ||
| I think that's kind of what hurt Izzy in the Pereira fight, putting those takedowns up there. | ||
| It takes a lot of gas. | ||
| If you haven't been doing that for a lifetime, wrestling is one of the most draining things for the energy tank. | ||
| Without a doubt. | ||
| I think with Izzy, though, he talked about that left leg getting compromised, the calf kicks. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Pereira landed like six calf kicks in that first round, like hard ones. | ||
| Calf kick changed the fucking... | ||
| Do you remember when the calf kick came into the game? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was Benson Henderson was the guy who first started using it, but it wasn't as effective for some reason. | ||
| It's like other guys started using it and stopping people with it. | ||
| I think, yeah, you're right. | ||
| Benson... | ||
| He was one of the first guys. | ||
| I think he chopped up Nate with him pretty damn good. | ||
| Yeah, I use him a lot. | ||
| I remember I used him a lot for my KJ Nunes fight. | ||
| I used him a ton to chop him up because he's a big boxer, so I chopped his leg down with a calf kick, just boom, constantly going through the heat, throw like a left hook, pop! | ||
| I chopped the calf. | ||
| He threw a jab. | ||
| I chopped the calf and that threw him off. | ||
| I remember his balance because he started like kind of second-guessing me and not putting as much pressure. | ||
| But I, big believer of the calf kick. | ||
| You know, I felt it and I was like, this is it right here, you know? | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| Yeah, and your leg is so much bigger, so much fucking more muscle. | ||
| You could take the hit there. | ||
| The one calf kick hits that nerve stem and it like fucking shoots up to your brain and you're like, well, don't take no more of those, you know? | ||
| It's amazing because to the average person, they don't even know what happened. | ||
| Like, they see a guy get calf kicked, and the guy's still moving, and they feel like nothing happened. | ||
| But meanwhile, that guy who got kicked is like, oh, shit! | ||
| Like, you got a poker face, but that leg is fucked. | ||
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| Fucked. | ||
| And then, bam! | ||
| If someone hits it again, bang! | ||
| They hit it again, like, oh, no. | ||
| And then you're in trouble. | ||
| Then they switch stances, and then you know, like, oh, he got him. | ||
| Yep, yep, he got him. | ||
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| And you're always calling. | ||
| I gotta always see when you're calling. | ||
| He's like, yep, that calf kick hurt. | ||
| He's switching stance. | ||
| Guaranteed it hurt, you know? | ||
| Well, when you're up close, too, you can see the calf swelling up. | ||
| Like, guys, calves will swell up, like, immediately. | ||
| And it's not that, uh, it's not that big, like, it's big, but in, like, kickboxing and Muay Thai, it wasn't like a, uh, like a... | ||
| I know, it's crazy. | ||
| It was more like an MMA thing, and then now, though, I'm seeing it more and more in Thai boxing now, but it wasn't, like, maybe 15 years ago. | ||
| It wasn't, like, a big thing in kickboxing or Muay Thai, you know? | ||
| No, it's very interesting. | ||
| I'm trying to figure out why. | ||
| I guess a lot of the Thai guys, they fight with that light front leg, and they check a lot of kicks, and they're accustomed to it, but I think it's a stance. | ||
| Because you might shoot, and because you might have to sprawl, there's a little bit more weight on that leg. | ||
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Definitely for that. | ||
| It changes a lot of things. | ||
| And there's so much options in MMA, you know. | ||
| You're just worried about strikes in combat here. | ||
| You're worried about a clinch, a takedown, somebody dropping guard, you know. | ||
| I mean, I love all combat sports, but there's no comparison. | ||
| MMA is where it's at. | ||
| It's the best. | ||
| What's your second favorite? | ||
| Muay Thai. | ||
| Muay Thai. | ||
| I love Muay Thai. | ||
| Yeah, I love Muay Thai. | ||
| Who's your favorite Thai fighter? | ||
| Man, I mean, Sanchai, you gotta go with Sanchai because he's been around so long and he's still fucking people up at like 37 years old. | ||
| And the grace that he does. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And the style is so different than everybody else's. | ||
| He's light on his feet and he throws kicks with no telegraph. | ||
| Like a lot of these guys, they're like power guys. | ||
| You know, they're plodding forward like Rod Tang. | ||
| But you know, Sanchai is just light on his feet. | ||
| Everything's shuffling and moving quick. | ||
| He's very different. | ||
| Like, there's no one like him. | ||
| Since I started watching Sanchai, I was like, man, what makes him so special? | ||
| And I would really, like, dig into it because he's obviously... | ||
| Like, Michael Jordan of Muay Thai, you know? | ||
| And I think one of the things that makes him so special is his ability to take you off your feet at any moment. | ||
| So that, like, I see him fighting guys and they immediately change styles when they're fighting him. | ||
| They might be, like, a little looser and then they get swept off their feet. | ||
| And now they're just, like, their balance got compromised. | ||
| And that's a huge thing. | ||
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| You kick and I put you on your neck and shoulders, you're going to rethink everything, man. | ||
| And I think he's like the best at fucking manipulating your balance and sending you flying across the ring. | ||
| And I've seen the dude to like great boxers, great kickboxers, great Thai guys. | ||
| They lose all sense of like where they're at and stuff. | ||
| Once you're flying through the air and you get back and now you're kind of like a shell of yourself. | ||
| Now you're like, I don't want to get fucking swept again. | ||
| And then boom, I left. | ||
| And then boom, I kick. | ||
| And then boom, you get swept again. | ||
| Bro, it's fucking insane, bro. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| The sweeps, that's a big key to his game. | ||
| And also the angles. | ||
| There's one KO where he hops to the side and jumps around and kicks that dude in the face. | ||
| Where he did the Taekwondo. | ||
| I mean, this motherfucker, his timing and his ability to shit like that. | ||
| I mean, look at that. | ||
| I mean, what the fuck? | ||
| What a crazy angle. | ||
| His angles. | ||
| And when you look at him, too, one of the things I like about him, he's not an impressive looking dude. | ||
| No, he's not like the fittest physical specimen. | ||
| And he's fighting guys way bigger than him all the time. | ||
| He's always fighting guys bigger than him. | ||
| His fights with no gloves, fucking love. | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| With the ropes. | ||
| Yeah, Sanchai's a motherfucker, dude. | ||
| And seems like one of the nicest, most playful dudes. | ||
| Like when you see him working out and sparring in the gym, he's a fun dude. | ||
| Playful till that bell rings at the end. | ||
| Yeah, but it's just that, like right there, look at the sweeps, man. | ||
| It's just that style, so different than anybody else's style. | ||
| It's really kind of amazing that none of the young guys are emulating him, because traditionally when you see Thai guys fight, they fight and they look like a Thai fighter. | ||
| He looks like another thing, like another kind of thing, another evolution of it. | ||
| I hope in his next lifetime it's just MMA for him. | ||
| Do you imagine? | ||
| He would have done Thai boxing until like 14, 15, then got brought into MMA at that age with a great camp. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Well, that element is one of the elements that I feel like is missing in MMA is the sweeps. | ||
| Like, there's just very few guys that are that good at sweeps, you know, from the standing position in MMA. Most of the takedowns we see in MMA come off singles and doubles and trips. | ||
| You don't see it like that, like what he does. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| One of the ones that I love is you throw like that high kick, then you'll fake the high kick and completely get behind you, and then you see him flare, guys. | ||
| And those are the things that shut you out because now if you're worried about the sweep, you're going to get kicked. | ||
| Whether it's in your head or your arm, you're going to start getting kicked. | ||
| Nobody does it like him. | ||
| Yeah, that's one of the beautiful things about watching a great Muay Thai fighter like him, is that for someone who appreciates it, there's so many levels to what he's doing. | ||
| He's setting up so many levels. | ||
| There's so many different things going on simultaneously. | ||
| That you have to compensate for when you're fighting it. | ||
| Best, best team, too, in the game. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He hops forward and hits you in the face with it. | ||
| One of my favorite guys, also, I can't pronounce his name. | ||
| I don't even want to try to because then he's going to kick my butt. | ||
| I'm going to butcher it. | ||
| But he's an Olympic gold medalist in boxing. | ||
| And he's like a three-time Lumpini champion. | ||
| I, uh... | ||
| I know who you're talking about, and I can't pronounce his name either. | ||
| Yeah, that guy was another serial killer, bro. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Because to have head movement, I think, in Thai boxing, like to stay in the pocket, do this, and dodge kicks, that's next level shit, and this guy would do it to everybody, man. | ||
| I'm a giant fan of his, but I'm also, if I had one fighter that I'm going to watch tape on, just for pure inspiration, it's Ramon Deckers. | ||
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| Whoo! | ||
| Ramon Deckers in his prime. | ||
| What a fucking destroyer that guy was. | ||
| That guy smashed his ankle so bad they had to fuse his ankle, and the doctor told him, listen, man, you gotta stop kicking with this thing. | ||
| And he's like, yeah, yeah, tape it up. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| Bam, like, right away. | ||
| Like, in the end of his career, his ankle didn't move. | ||
| Like, his foot was, like, stuck there forever. | ||
| That, you gotta be so fucking, like... | ||
| So mentally rough, you know? | ||
| Because we've seen everybody that has like a shin break in MMA and comes back. | ||
| It's just, and you can't blame him, man. | ||
| The next kick is going to snap off. | ||
| So for somebody to have that commitment is fucking nuts. | ||
| Like me personally, I would be like, okay, time to adapt. | ||
| I'm going to become a puncher now, bro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, doesn't Tyrone Spong, doesn't he train sometimes at ATT? He's been there before, right? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He's more at Stanford, I think. | ||
| I've had the pleasure of meeting Tyrone, a fucking beast. | ||
| I've met him a couple times, but no, he's not at ATT. When he broke his leg, he was kind of never the same again. | ||
| I mean, he had a real bad one with Gokhan Saki. | ||
| Same as Chris Weidman, same as Anderson Silva. | ||
| That same kind of break. | ||
| Check a kick, smack! | ||
| It just snapped in half. | ||
| He's doing well in boxing, though. | ||
| Yes, very well in boxing. | ||
| I would love to see that guy grab a belt for us, man. | ||
| Kick, boxer, MMA dude, and he's unreal power. | ||
| Since he was at 168 pounds, I saw his whole career of the heavyweight. | ||
| Unreal fucking power, bro. | ||
| Good reflexes, good timing. | ||
| I would love to see him get a belt in fucking boxing. | ||
| There's that one amazing KO where he's fighting that tall white dude and the guy catches him in the first round, drops him. | ||
| And then he measures him. | ||
| The dude's wailing on him. | ||
| He measures him, measures him. | ||
| BAM! And it's over. | ||
| Flat lines. | ||
| Over, bro. | ||
| Yeah, the dude, he gets up and then he sits back down like, that's it. | ||
| It's over. | ||
| There's guys that are like, just born with that next little problem. | ||
| He's one of them, bro. | ||
| You don't see very many guys bouncing back from that shin break and doing well in MMA again. | ||
| Anderson, it was kind of the end of his career when he broke his shin. | ||
| I mean, Chris Weidman, we haven't seen him back yet. | ||
| Connor, we haven't seen him back yet. | ||
| I don't know what's even going to happen. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I mean, that dude got up and he was like, hang on, what the fuck is going on here? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He realized something was very wrong. | ||
| The way he measured him, too. | ||
| Just that straight left. | ||
| Bang! | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| And look how composed Tyrone stays. | ||
| His hands are up, shoulders are up. | ||
| He's taking these hits. | ||
| He's like, I got you. | ||
| And he got dropped, like, seconds into the fight. | ||
| Like, it was one of the first punches that dude threw. | ||
| Yeah, Tyrone's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| He was supposed to fight some big boxing fights. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| No, he was supposed to. | ||
| He was, and then something happened. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I remember what happened, but he got pulled out of the fight, and then the dude wound up fighting somebody else. | ||
| But they were setting him up for someone big. | ||
| I forget who it was. | ||
| Ustik, I think. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| And that one ended up falling through. | ||
| Some stuff happened, you know. | ||
| That's too bad. | ||
| That would have been very interesting. | ||
| I would love to get him on my promotion against some of these big boxers that we've been talking to. | ||
| I would love to do like Andy Ruiz versus... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So tell me about your promotion because you've got a big card coming up. | ||
| Tell me about that. | ||
| It's very exciting. | ||
| Tickets available on Ticketmaster. | ||
| I gotta go full promoter on you, Joe. | ||
| Yeah, go full promoter. | ||
| Pay-per-view. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On-demand. | ||
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| Comcast, all that linear pay-per-view stuff. | ||
| And if you want the digital rights, only the second time in history that the UFC partners up with a boxing promotion. | ||
| The first time was Conor Mayweather, so you could also buy the pay-per-view through UFC Fight Pass. | ||
| Oh, that's great. | ||
| Yeah, and it's Roy Jones Jr. And Anthony Pettis. | ||
| And Anthony Pettis. | ||
| Jose Aldo vs. | ||
| Jeremy Stephens Boxing. | ||
| I think that's gonna be the fight of the night. | ||
| You know, I could be wrong because there's some other good matches. | ||
| And Btor Velfort, the guy we were just talking about, vs. | ||
| Jacare. | ||
| Who you gotta know? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| At the Pfizer Forum Milwaukee Bucks Arena. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I'm very interested in Jones vs. | ||
| Pettis. | ||
| How long has Roy been training for this? | ||
| Well, my good friend, the one that helped, because as we were setting up the card, Dean Tool, which is my matchmaker and helps me set up everything, was like, I think I'd get Roy Jones to fight for us. | ||
| And in my mind, I was like, yeah, I'm sure, bro. | ||
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| Roy Jones, you're talking about Roy Jones Jr.? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Because he's from Pensacola and he's known Roy for a while. | ||
| He's like, Roy's been training for a while. | ||
| People don't know, but he's been training. | ||
| He constantly trains. | ||
| He was training Eubanks, so he told me that the whole training camp with Eubanks, he was training alongside him. | ||
| He's in pretty damn good shape. | ||
| Better shape than I've seen him in a while. | ||
| And he's been wanting to fight. | ||
| So I think we might be able to pull this off. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| Nah, I don't believe this. | ||
| Roy Jones Jr.? | ||
| Yeah, I think I get Roy Jones Jr. to fight. | ||
| So we started making calls. | ||
| We had a couple big names. | ||
| Actually, for a while, it was going to be Roy Jones Jr. He had already signed the contract versus Donald Cerrone. | ||
| Yeah, we were really excited about that one. | ||
| And Donald Sarone got a huge project coming up. | ||
| Movies? | ||
| Donald's going to be a fucking movie star. | ||
| Oh, I feel it, bro. | ||
| I believe it, bro. | ||
| He's got the character, bro. | ||
| He's got hair transplants now. | ||
| Now he's jacked. | ||
| He's 220 pounds now. | ||
| He's gonna be like the MMA Brad Pickett, bro. | ||
| I mean, not Brad Pickett at all. | ||
| What's the name? | ||
| Brad Pitt? | ||
| Brad Pitt, man. | ||
| Shout out to Brad Pigott, too. | ||
| That's my boy, man. | ||
| I love Brad Pigott. | ||
| I love seeing him in the crowd the other night. | ||
| Yeah, Donald, he's a fucking character, man. | ||
| He told a story on this podcast about cave diving. | ||
| It was cave diving with this dude, and the dude panicked, and it filled the cave up with clouds, and he couldn't figure out how to get out, and he was running out of air. | ||
| I knew he was alive, because he's sitting right across from me, but it was one of the most hair-raising stories, because his wife and his child were Outside waiting for him. | ||
| And he's thinking, there's no fucking way I'm dying in here. | ||
| There's no fucking way I'm dying. | ||
| So you said cave diving? | ||
| Cave diving. | ||
| He goes scuba diving and gets down in these caves. | ||
| I thought you were like jumping out of caves into water. | ||
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No. | |
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah, so something happened. | ||
| That scares the fuck out of me, bro. | ||
| Oh, fuck all that, dude. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| But Donald likes to do shit that's scary as fuck. | ||
| That's what he likes to do. | ||
| And he... | ||
| He almost lost his life, dude. | ||
| It was a crazy story. | ||
| And when he's telling it, you're like, your hands are sweating. | ||
| Even though I knew he was alive. | ||
| I knew he was okay. | ||
| I'm like, oh my god. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I do a lot of swimming for preparation of the fights just to develop my lungs better. | ||
| And we do a lot of, like, underwaters, down and back. | ||
| And I fucking hate that shit, bro. | ||
| There's nothing scarier than running out of air in the fucking ocean. | ||
| I'm just like three feet under the water, so at any moment I can get to my feet and push up, you know, and it's over. | ||
| No matter how fucking close to death I might have thought I was, you know, it's over. | ||
| It's like to be 20, 30, 100 feet under the water. | ||
| Not me, dawg. | ||
| Not me. | ||
| I appreciate it, but not me. | ||
| I'll pass. | ||
| I'll pass too, brother. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who you got, Pettis or Roy Jones before we move on? | ||
| Well, I mean, I've never seen Pettis boxed. | ||
| He obviously has hands. | ||
| He knocked out Wonderboy. | ||
| He looks in great fucking shape too, man. | ||
| Looks like a great opportunity for him too. | ||
| I've gotten to see a little bit of sparring matches between him and Caleb and a couple other guys. | ||
| He looks pretty damn good. | ||
| One thing he's always had is speed and power, I think. | ||
| Just genetically born with it, you know? | ||
| It's just how does he bring it over to boxing now? | ||
| Which is, I heard him talking a lot about boxing, but what I like to see MMA guys bring it to boxing is we're not going to jab better than him. | ||
| You're not going to be a boxer better than them ever, but what we can catch them with is that funky MMA shit, like dunk your head and they think you're going to body shine, you bring up a fucking loopy right hand, you know? | ||
| Kind of like Conor Mayweather, those first four rounds. | ||
| I know Mayweather was studying him, but still, he got hit with a lot of things he just didn't see because... | ||
| You can't emulate that. | ||
| Connor could have been a great boxer. | ||
| He could have been a great boxer. | ||
| He definitely has the pop for it. | ||
| Yeah, he's got a tremendous uppercut too. | ||
| The uppercut that he caught Floyd with, he could snap Floyd's head back. | ||
| Floyd was like, oh, okay. | ||
| That was legit. | ||
| He just wasn't composed enough to go 10 rounds with one of the greatest of all time. | ||
| The greatest of all time. | ||
| If you want to look at guys that never got hit... | ||
| Floyd went his entire career got hit hard like three or four times ever. | ||
| He's defensively unparalleled. | ||
| And he wasn't a mover. | ||
| He stood right in front of you. | ||
| Not always in his career. | ||
| Earlier in his career he would use his legs a lot. | ||
| Then nobody could literally touch him. | ||
| Like when he fought Diego Chico Corrales. | ||
| One of my favorite all-time fights. | ||
| It was like there was nothing for Diego to hit. | ||
| And all of a sudden he just bounced in his face. | ||
| Bop! | ||
| Left hook from like five feet away. | ||
| That's a Mayweather that I think nobody could possibly maybe beat. | ||
| That was the pretty boy Floyd Mayweather. | ||
| That was before he became money Mayweather. | ||
| Well, he started developing hand problems. | ||
| He broke his hands multiple times. | ||
| Or the Arturo Gotti Mayweather. | ||
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| Ooh! | ||
| Oh my God, he lit Arturo Gatti. | ||
| That was like his coming out party for the masses. | ||
| He lit him on fire. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because everybody knew Gatti. | ||
| He was his blood and guts fighter and everybody's like, oh, let's see how Gatti does. | ||
| And I remember seeing Gatti and thinking like, man, this guy's got hand speed. | ||
| He's got good hand speed, good power. | ||
| I think it should be the first couple rounds somewhat competitive. | ||
| Not even close. | ||
| I think Floyd's ability to shoulder roll and his ability to avoid shots and then land shots when you don't think he can is unparalleled. | ||
| I mean, when he fought Canelo and he was standing right in front of Canelo and Canelo was just whiffing, You know, he's like, oh my, it was a life lesson. | ||
| And then you look at how good Canelo's head movement got after that fight when he realized it. | ||
| I mean, my God, when he fought Danny Jacobs and Canelo's just standing right in front of him. | ||
| That's all what he learned from fighting Floyd. | ||
| And it doesn't look like it, but obviously when Mayweather hits, it cracks. | ||
| Maybe he's not a homerun hitter, but he's definitely a third base hitter, you know, because he hits guys and they're like, whoa, they feel it, and then he gets out the way. | ||
| I think definitely the greatest boxer maybe in my generation, but not the best fighter. | ||
| I would say the best, you know, brawler boxer type fighter, Manny Pacquiao, man. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Destroyer. | ||
| He put world titles in eight different weight classes. | ||
| Who the fuck does that? | ||
| And the way he did it. | ||
| I'm a huge fan of Kota. | ||
| I love this school. | ||
| And the way that he beat Kota, I didn't think nobody could ever do that to him. | ||
| I was just like, bro, what the fuck? | ||
| Well, his legs. | ||
| Manny's legs are like tree trunks. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's speed. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| I just always wish that the Mayweather-Pakya fight would have took place. | ||
| Many, many years before them when they did, you know? | ||
| Well, it also took place when Manny went into the fight with a fucked up shoulder. | ||
| I mean, he knew his shoulder was fucked before that fight and just wanted that money and just, let's see what happens. | ||
| Shoot it up with cortisone. | ||
| Let's roll. | ||
| Unfortunately. | ||
| Unfortunate for us, man. | ||
| Unfortunate for us, but Foyt was smart. | ||
| He's like, not yet. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| Waited until he started to fade a little bit. | ||
| Like, okay, now. | ||
| After Marquez knocked him out. | ||
| Mayweather was, I think, one of the best at doing that, like picking the opponent at the right time, like Shane Mosley, you know, when he got the Shane and stuff like that. | ||
| Well, Shane cracked him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was one of the hardest he got ever. | ||
| He almost went down to an ear, I remember. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then Mayweather showed the dog in that fight. | ||
| After that, he came back and got him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Shane, I mean, was a great fighter, but, you know, what Floyd brought to the table was that combination of Discipline and technique and intelligence and just constant, steady improvement. | ||
| I mean, that guy was a treat. | ||
| He was a treat to watch. | ||
| And he's still out there doing these exhibitions, which is hilarious. | ||
| Picking up 10 million here, 10 million there. | ||
| Fucking people up. | ||
| Fucking people up. | ||
| People that have no business being in there with him. | ||
| I've seen some of the videos of him getting YouTubers and shit and just fucking torturing him, bro. | ||
| I'm a mean motherfucker, so I personally like to see that. | ||
| Especially when guys think like, yeah, I've been boxing for like two, three years. | ||
| I could answer that. | ||
| Oh, hilarious. | ||
| You don't get it. | ||
| It's funny because you think like, my hands are good. | ||
| I'm moving. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| I'll be all right. | ||
| And then you're in there with him. | ||
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| He's a special fighter and I think he set the bar for a lot of upcoming guys like a lot of these guys like Gervonta who trained with them and all these guys that sets the bar when you got a guy who's that good And then you see how many doors you could break down just by submitting to your craft and forgetting about the world. | ||
| There's a million things I could be doing, but I'm just going to focus on this and everything else will come. | ||
| I think Mayweather is one of the best stories. | ||
| Look at all his accomplishments outside of boxing as well. | ||
| No, look, it's amazing what he's doing with business. | ||
| I mean, I follow him on Instagram. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| He's always in Abu Dhabi and Dubai and he's making money, making deals. | ||
| Look at my cars. | ||
| Look at my watch. | ||
| This is my big watch. | ||
| I got a bigger watch. | ||
| Sometimes I bust out this watch. | ||
| He brings in like a fucking suitcase filled with million dollar watches. | ||
| Boxing money. | ||
| Boxing money, man. | ||
| Boxing money. | ||
| And his boxing money is different than everybody's boxing money now. | ||
| First of all, because he made so much, but then on top of that, he continues to make money even after he's semi-retired. | ||
| You know, he had it under his promotions. | ||
| I think, I remember, uh, it was like either an interview or something that I read that when him and De La Hoya fought, I think he made a couple, I want to say 17 and something. | ||
| It was like a good purse, but De La Hoya made like a hundred million because it was under his promotion. | ||
| And then right after that, Mayweather only did Mayweather promotions and that's when that came and that's when he started clocking those massive checks, you know? | ||
| Yeah, but he spends a lot too, so he's got to keep that money flowing in. | ||
| It's kind of fun to watch. | ||
| Yeah, definitely. | ||
| He's a character. | ||
| But the fact that he goes over to Japan, fights Tenshin Nasukawa, who had no business in there with him. | ||
| He's a 126 pounder. | ||
| I would have liked to have seen that kickboxing. | ||
| Oh my god, Tenshin would have fucked him up. | ||
| Yeah, I would have paid good money to see that kickboxing. | ||
| I really thought Tenshin is... | ||
| He beat those fucking Lupini champions in the way he did it. | ||
| I was like, fuck, brother. | ||
| This guy's scary. | ||
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His kicks. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| His kicks. | ||
| Those counter kicks, you know? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And great hands for Muay Thai kickboxing. | ||
| The speed, the accuracy. | ||
| I think he's one of the better striker fighters we got to see for that time period. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| But he's tiny. | ||
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| He's so small compared to Mayweather. | ||
| He just had no business being in there with him. | ||
| A lot of people, like, my friends were like, duh, bro, that was a fixed fight. | ||
| I'm like, no. | ||
| No, it wasn't a fixed fight. | ||
| There's a tiny guy against the best boxer of all time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In boxing. | ||
| Yeah, in boxing. | ||
| There's no reason why they just should have been doing that. | ||
| But he's able to get guys to fight him. | ||
| I mean, he's got MMA guys lined up. | ||
| He's got all these different people lined up. | ||
| He goes over and fights these exhibitions. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| Collecting checks. | ||
| Yeah, having fun, walking around with the ring card girl's card, dancing, under no threat at all. | ||
| And, you know, he's 46, 47 years old, still moves fantastic, still looks great. | ||
| I heard he lives a very disciplined life. | ||
| Like, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke. | ||
| Yeah, he'll stay up late, but he's gonna go right back to sleep, then wake up and train, and it's like a constant thing for him. | ||
| It hasn't left his system. | ||
| So I think, like, when any dude is like, man, I'm done with this, and then three, four years, you pick it up, he might not be the same, especially age-passed by. | ||
| This is a guy that you could tell he never left the gym. | ||
| Maybe he left it when he retired a couple weeks, maybe, but he's, like, always in there. | ||
| You know, you always see him working out, doing something, you know? | ||
| That's everything. | ||
| And that's like Bernard Hopkins too. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| Like Bernard Hopkins was world class up until he was 50. Yeah. | ||
| Which was incredible. | ||
| I mean, Bernard Hopkins beat a world champion when he was 50 years old. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, he was the most disciplined. | ||
| And that's a guy that learned that from going to prison. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He went to prison, and he's like, this is never happening to me again. | ||
| I'm gonna be a fucking completely different person. | ||
| Ate clean, exercised, slept right, never did anything wrong, took care of his body, and still to this day, he'll post videos of him working out, and he looks fantastic. | ||
| Yeah, mean motherfucker too. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, my God, dude. | ||
| I mean, he was in his prime. | ||
| I mean, I remember when he fought Tito Trinidad, and everybody was counting him out, and when he grabbed the Puerto Rican flag and threw it down, and everybody was like, no! | ||
| They were chasing him. | ||
| Yeah, I heard it ugly. | ||
| The Puerto Rican started breaking bottles over his security team's head and stuff like that. | ||
| Like, that was crazy, man. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| I knew he was trying to sell pay-per-view, but, damn, that's nuts. | ||
| That's not a good way to do it. | ||
| To do it in Puerto Rico like that, you get killed, man. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know, but he pulled it off. | ||
| In that fight, man, he established himself in that fight. | ||
| And I believe at that time, a lot of people were thinking he was done. | ||
| Because he was in his late 30s. | ||
| He was just getting started. | ||
| He still has a record for most title defenses at 160 or something like that, I think. | ||
| Or definitely up there. | ||
| Maybe he was tied with the Argentinian guy Monzon, something like that. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| I don't know what the record is in boxing. | ||
| I remember something stupid like 14 or 16 title defenses at 160. Something crazy. | ||
| Some long, long streak. | ||
| He's special in that. | ||
| I remember watching him When he was just a middleweight champion and nobody knew who he was and like there was a lot of people that were complaining about his style, you know, his style was boring because he would clinch guys, but then you realize like he's not getting hit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like he was so, and frustrate guys, get them out of their, lose their composure, and then he would start fucking them up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A little sneaky right, a little sneaky left hook. | ||
| That's, uh, did you remember his fight with Roy Jones? | ||
| That's when also you were like, we know Hopkins is good, but Roy Jones is a fucking alien, bro. | ||
| Oh my god, the first fight. | ||
| The second fight, you saw the difference because Roy was starting to slow down. | ||
| Bernard had such discipline and technique, whereas Roy in his prime, in my opinion, was the freak of all freaks. | ||
| Yeah, agreed. | ||
| The freak of all freaks. | ||
| Playing basketball games before knocking people the fuck out for two hours. | ||
| Play a full game of basketball and then go and fuck people up. | ||
| Slam dunking like he's fucking jumping off a trampoline. | ||
| I believe he's a freak of freaks, man. | ||
| His speed was insane. | ||
| He would throw a left hook instead of a jab. | ||
| Constant. | ||
| Always throwing left hooks. | ||
| And you just, like, when you're seeing, that's what's really crazy to me. | ||
| Like, if I'm seeing tape and I'm a fighter, I'm like, well, I know he's going to throw his left hook, so I'm going to try to counter with this. | ||
| And the speed and the setup is so out of this world that you don't even see it, you know? | ||
| And it's a left hook. | ||
| It's like something that we've been seeing our whole lives. | ||
| And it takes a lot longer than this, you know, because you've got to I'm just with you, man. | ||
| I've always thought that that guy was a fucking mutant, bro. | ||
| Yeah, during his prime, I think he's the greatest. | ||
| I think he's the greatest middleweight ever. | ||
| Like, right up there with Hagler. | ||
| Greatest talent. | ||
| Yeah, the greatest talent. | ||
| Greatest talent. | ||
| The step in the ring. | ||
| Just speed, but beyond speed. | ||
| You know, when he would drop his hands and knock guys out, put his hands behind his back and knock guys out. | ||
| I mean, it was like his fights were executions. | ||
| It was like Tyson in his prime. | ||
| It was like you were waiting to see when Roy was going to take guys out. | ||
| But I think even freakier than Tyson for some reason. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because those reflexes are just out of this fucking world. | ||
| Out of this world. | ||
| People that weren't around when Roy was in his prime, I don't think they appreciate it. | ||
| But man, went up to heavyweight and beat Ruiz. | ||
| But then I think that's what fucked him. | ||
| I think going up to heavyweight, he got up to close to 200 pounds. | ||
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| Came back to 75 and he looked soft. | ||
| It looked like he just drained his body to make 75 then Tarver caught him and knocked him out and then Glenn Johnson knocked him out after that and he was just never the same. | ||
| Yeah, very true. | ||
| Maybe if he didn't go to heavyweight. | ||
| Yeah, maybe if he stayed at light heavyweight. | ||
| I mean maybe but that challenge to him. | ||
| He started at 154. I know, isn't that crazy? | ||
| Beat James Toney, too, which is another huge fan of James Toney. | ||
| Beat James Toney and hit him with that left hook, and James Toney was a defensive genius. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the fact that he stood in front of him and just leaped in and dropped him with the left hook. | ||
| That's like a perfect example. | ||
| James Toney had a fucking radar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was born with fucking a radar, and he still couldn't see Roy Jones' speed in his prime, bro. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, his speed was like complete next level. | ||
| And, you know, it's interesting that he still enjoys fighting so much that he's still doing it. | ||
| I mean, he's in his 50s now. | ||
| I get updates, Royals send us videos and stuff, and this dude still has fucking crazy speed. | ||
| I would still place him slightly above average speed of most guys in boxing, you know? | ||
| I know, it's crazy. | ||
| It's fucking nuts. | ||
| And the last thing to leave a man is his power. | ||
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| You know, so I'm very interested in that. | ||
| Obviously, there's a big age gap. | ||
| Roy Jones is 54, 55. Pettis is, I think, 30. He's a little younger than me. | ||
| 34, 36, something like that. | ||
| So that's why I really like this matchup. | ||
| Because Roy's got all this boxing experience. | ||
| But youth, as we know, is youth. | ||
| You know, you can pull off anything with youth. | ||
| That arrogance, that fucking... | ||
| That bravado that youth brings, so... | ||
| I mean, fuck, bro. | ||
| I'm pumped. | ||
| I'm pumped. | ||
| I don't know who gets it, bro. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know who gets it either. | ||
| I'm leaning towards Roy, obviously, conventional wisdom, but youth is youth, man. | ||
| Youth is youth, and Pettis can crack. | ||
| He did fight lighter, you know, when you really think about it. | ||
| I mean, Pettis has fought at welterweight, which is 170, in boxing, 47, but he fought at 170, and Roy was the best ever at 75. So it's, you know, it's interesting. | ||
| He was best ever at 68, too. | ||
| You know, I mean, at 68, he was the motherfucker. | ||
| I mean, fuck, bro. | ||
| That speed is just... | ||
| We could talk about just the speed alone for hours. | ||
| Yeah, we should probably watch a Roy Jones highlight. | ||
| Put on a Roy Jones highlight reel because people that don't know, like these young kids today, like, oh, Roy Jones. | ||
| I saw him fight Mike Tyson. | ||
| It was kind of boring. | ||
| Like, listen, you need to go back into the archives. | ||
| If Roy Jones Jr. would have had social media when he was coming up, you're talking about 350 million followers. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Body shot, dead. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He was incredible. | ||
| And it's just the speed. | ||
| And you know, you ever seen his left arm? | ||
| His left arm is twice the size of his right arm. | ||
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| And it has like a double bicep. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| He flexed for me. | ||
| I was like, what is going on? | ||
| One arm is like literally like five inches bigger. | ||
| That's James Tony right there. | ||
| That's James Tony. | ||
| He just, look at it. | ||
| Oh, the Vinny Pazienza fight. | ||
| These were actually pretty good, man. | ||
| The Vinny-Pazienza fight was the only fight in the history of CompuBox where the opponent landed zero punches in an entire round. | ||
| And Roy just fucking tuned him up and then begged the referee to stop it. | ||
| He said to the referee, come on, man, stop it. | ||
| And the ref's like, no, no, no. | ||
| The first one was kind of competitive, right? | ||
| Was it? | ||
| Because they fought twice? | ||
| No, he never fought Vinny twice. | ||
| He only fought Vinny once. | ||
| He fucked Vinny up. | ||
| The Vinny-Pazienza fight was a rout. | ||
| Like, Vinny had no business being in there with him. | ||
| I mean, Vinny started his career much lighter. | ||
| And Roy was bigger, faster, more talented, more skilled, more confident. | ||
| I mean, he was a freak of all freaks in his prime. | ||
| Nobody was like him. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Captain Hook. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Captain Hook. | ||
| He was amazing. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| I'm excited that you have him. | ||
| I'm excited that he still enjoys competing, too. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| We haven't seen him since that Tyson fight, but the Tyson fight was very different. | ||
| Look at him standing in front of people. | ||
| That leaping right hand, I think, is one of the best right hands ever. | ||
| Also, his instincts and his fucking reflexes. | ||
| They were off the charts. | ||
| The constant mind games is also what takes him to the next level, I think. | ||
| Whoa, done. | ||
| Goddamn, that speed. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| Hands behind the back. | ||
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Pop! | |
| I mean, really, people, you know, he has that song, Y'all Must Have Forgot. | ||
| I never forgot. | ||
| I never forgot. | ||
| I mean, I was a kid when he was coming up, and so, giant, giant Roy Jones Jr. fan. | ||
| I think all of us, especially me being from Florida, we were always like, this dude is everything. | ||
| Pensacola! | ||
| Yeah, he put Florida on the map. | ||
| Do you think that Pettis is going to continue boxing? | ||
| Does he still have a contract with the PFL? I know he has some works with the PFL. I don't know if he'll be doing the next season or not. | ||
| I don't know exactly the intricate details of that. | ||
| But if he gets a win over Roy Jones, how does he not keep boxing? | ||
| How does he not? | ||
| I mean, the money's going to be there. | ||
| The money's going to be pouring. | ||
| The guys right now, the older generation boxers, everybody's going to be calling his fucking name. | ||
| Everybody's going to want to fight him. | ||
| And plus, Pettis himself is a fucking massive draw, you know? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So it just makes sense that he'd continue boxing. | ||
| And I've heard him, and I've talked with him too, that he does want to kind of focus more on the striking and just like, you know, maybe not grapple so much and use the things that he's naturally gifted with, which is fucking his power and speed. | ||
| Yeah, I mean he had gotten into wrestling quite a bit and it kind of like changed his game a little bit. | ||
| And then he realized, you know what, he's better but he's just a wild striker and if you take him down he submits you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it just kind of got away from that and went for a takedown defense. | ||
| But I think, was it Rafael Dos Anjos that he fought? | ||
| We got manhandled? | ||
| Oh, I think so. | ||
| Might have been. | ||
| I think it was, see if he fought. | ||
| He's such a clutch dude, though. | ||
| Like, when he won the title from Ben Henderson, I fought with Ben. | ||
| Ben is like no slouch in the grappling department. | ||
| Gilbert Melendez, another guy that had never been submitted, fucking guillotine him. | ||
| It was just, like, man, he was on fire for a fucking while. | ||
| He was so fast. | ||
| He could get stuff off so fast. | ||
| Like a clutch dude, bro. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like the Thompson fight, he was getting murdered. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Made it to go. | ||
| Bang! | ||
| Catches him with the right hand, knocks him out. | ||
| The only guy to knock out Wonderboy in MMA. And then the way that he did it, too. | ||
| That's something, too, why I love this matchup so much, because in Roy, you have, like, one of the flashiest fighters that had substance, not just flash. | ||
| And Pettis also, man, he's one of the best 155ers, I think, and also brought a lot of flash to the sport, but had the substance behind it as well, so... | ||
| Fireworks. | ||
| Yeah, that's exciting. | ||
| How many... | ||
| So here it is. | ||
| Yeah, it was Rafael dos Anjos. | ||
| Rafael just manhandled him. | ||
| I mean, Rafael was one of those guys that cut a shitload of weight to get to 55, and he was so fucking thick and such a good grappler and endurance. | ||
| Great kicking, too. | ||
| Good power with the hands. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's actually moving here. | ||
| He's moving to Texas. | ||
| Everybody's moving to Texas. | ||
| They're all following you. | ||
| It's a fucking beautiful place to live. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's way, way cheaper than most of the country, I think. | ||
| No state taxes, nice people, great food, no traffic. | ||
| Protect yourself. | ||
| Yeah, protect yourself at all times. | ||
| I love it, man. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| You don't have to worry about it. | ||
| They have constitutional carry here. | ||
| You don't even have to have concealed carry. | ||
| That's the best. | ||
| We have a... | ||
| You gotta get your permit in Florida. | ||
| But Florida's pretty cool with the gun laws. | ||
| It's not the craziest thing to get your little permit over there. | ||
| Your concealed weapons permit. | ||
| You could have it in the car. | ||
| It just has to be like one or two steps away. | ||
| And you could have it in your house. | ||
| You don't need like permission for that. | ||
| But to carry, we do need permission to carry in public. | ||
| I think everybody should learn how to use a handgun correctly. | ||
| And if you could just get a gun and just carry it around, you don't know what the fuck you're doing. | ||
| I don't like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I really feel like, I mean, I want to say it's mandatory because the Second Amendment is pretty clear. | ||
| You know, the right to keep and bear arms is a part of our rights. | ||
| But I think that just as a human being, you should learn how to use a gun correctly. | ||
| You should learn how to handle it. | ||
| You should learn safety. | ||
| Just like a driver's license. | ||
| Just like a driver's license. | ||
| If you're going to get behind a car, it's a fucking weapon if you don't know what you're doing. | ||
| You change somebody's life in a second. | ||
| Same thing with a gun. | ||
| Before they had that law here, I got a concealed carry permit. | ||
| So I went through all the steps. | ||
| In California? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, here. | ||
| In Texas. | ||
| California is hard. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what everybody says. | ||
| They're loosening that up, though, in L.A. And the sheriff talked about it. | ||
| He said, there's too much fucking crime. | ||
| Too much fucking crime. | ||
| So they're loosening that up and giving away concealed carry permits now. | ||
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L.A. is a little scary, man. | |
| It's very scary. | ||
| My friends who go back there now, they're like, fuck, man. | ||
| It's just not the same place. | ||
| I was there like eight weeks ago. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| It's like zombie land now sometimes, bro. | ||
| Yeah, well, COVID killed that place. | ||
| COVID and the governor. | ||
| The governor and the mayor, they just fucked that place to death. | ||
| I don't believe in those same policies that socialism and communism spring up. | ||
| Anything to do with that, I'm firmly against that. | ||
| And we see it. | ||
| It's like a perfect example. | ||
| You want to follow that shit? | ||
| Look what California happened in California. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Look what was going on in New York doing the whole thing. | ||
| It's nuts, man. | ||
| I get why people would think that it would work because they think they're They're going to be a better person. | ||
| We're going to make things fair for people. | ||
| The problem is it just consolidates power in the top and then they leave everybody fighting over everything else and it becomes chaos. | ||
| It happens in every country. | ||
| It happens in every city. | ||
| Whenever they institute those kind of policies, crime goes up. | ||
| People get fucked. | ||
| They let more people out of jail. | ||
| Crime continues to go up. | ||
| Oh, you can't do that, man. | ||
| I grew up in not the best neighborhoods. | ||
| Believe me, you don't want to defund the police. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, because the guys, the people that they'll be alright is like me and you, because I could hire a security team and so can you, but how about everybody else that can't? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They're gonna get fucking murked, bro. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because there's people on the other side that are really fucking hungry, that are real, for real bad guys. | ||
| You take the police away, you take that filter away, you're asking for trouble, man. | ||
| And when you let bad guys out of jail, then they know they're gonna be able to get out of jail easy if something happens. | ||
| I mean, these guys are shooting people and they're out of jail on a day. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| That's insane, bro. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| There was some, I forget, I think it was California, like, the dude went in for stabbing, then he got out the next day and then robbed up, like, a liquor store and then, like, shot somebody and killed somebody. | ||
| Like, this guy was just in jail 24 hours ago and you fucking let him go, bro. | ||
| No, it's a mess. | ||
| And, you know, you've got that district attorney in L.A. He's a monster. | ||
| He just lets people out and just... | ||
| I don't understand it. | ||
| I don't understand these progressive district attorneys. | ||
| I think it's done on purpose. | ||
| Because the evidence is pretty clear. | ||
| It's like any idiot could read. | ||
| Any black and white person... | ||
| It's in black and white for you to see, like... | ||
| It's not working out, man. | ||
| You know, now what they're trying to do to our boy Trump, it's fucking... | ||
| Nuts, bro. | ||
| They're talking about arresting him for paying a girl to stop talking about them having sex. | ||
| I thought that was a good deal. | ||
| I thought it's a good deal. | ||
| You pay someone. | ||
| Didn't Clinton do that? | ||
| John Edwards got in trouble for doing that, but he didn't go to jail. | ||
| I don't believe he went to jail. | ||
| Bill Clinton got a blowjob while me and you are paying our tax dollars. | ||
| And that's the one that he got caught in. | ||
| How much other shit do we not know about? | ||
| Why isn't there no nothing on Bill Clinton, on him being on Jeffrey Epstein's fucking charter fucking plane numerous times on the list? | ||
| Yeah, 26 times. | ||
| But on the one dude, that's how you know that he's doing something right. | ||
| The one dude that's fighting for us, that's actually for the people, they want to crucify him? | ||
| They just don't want him president again. | ||
| And they know that if he runs against Biden, Biden is so old. | ||
| You know, no matter what you think about his policies, you hear him talk. | ||
| Can't even make it down a flight of stairs, man. | ||
| He's so old. | ||
| He's so compromised. | ||
| You watch him talk years ago. | ||
| He was never an impressive guy. | ||
| Biden was never impressive when he was young because he was... | ||
| He's full of bluster, and he lied a lot about his record and his education background. | ||
| He lied about a bunch of things. | ||
| He's a goofy, old politician that's been in that big career. | ||
| He's been in that lying business forever. | ||
| And the China money that he's been getting for years, the hooking up his son, the computer, denying the computer when it's like, bro, you could see it, bro. | ||
| Before the FBI declared that this was real, I was already watching videos of him like, bro, how are you going to say this is not real? | ||
| It's all over the fucking internet. | ||
| All over the internet. | ||
| Suppressed it before the election? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They suppressed it off of Twitter. | ||
| And the fact that the liberals keep saying that there's nothing to that. | ||
| Like, what are you talking about? | ||
| If that was Trump. | ||
| If that was Trump and Donald Trump Jr. was doing street crack with hookers in Vietnam and getting foot jobs. | ||
| And getting $10 million from these places when he's not equipped to have those type of jobs. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He was getting money from China and from Ukraine. | ||
| I mean, it's wild! | ||
| And those are the same people that he's given our tax dollars to. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| No offense to the people that are going through that in Ukraine. | ||
| Obviously, it sucks to be in war, you know, especially against a massive thing like Russia, but I don't think we should be poking our chest and they're starting possibly a World War III. It's fucking terrifying. | ||
| It's terrifying to me that the left are the ones that are behind this, encouraging it, when the left was always anti-war. | ||
| That's what they say when a war from the other side happens. | ||
| We shouldn't be going to war, but that's the same thing they're going to do because that's when trillions of dollars get made every time we go to war. | ||
| Somebody's going to get rich. | ||
| Maybe not me and you, but somebody's getting rich. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's really what's going on. | ||
| Someone's getting rich. | ||
| And what drives me the most crazy is the left is the one... | ||
| They're the ones that are always talking about equity and the communities that are disenfranchised. | ||
| Do you know how much money they could have spent Fixing up places like Baltimore and Detroit. | ||
| It could be a paradise. | ||
| They don't care about any of those places. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| It's just a slogan. | ||
| It's just bullshit. | ||
| It's the same thing that they did in Cuba, literally, in places like Venezuela. | ||
| In Cuba, they would come and tell the farmers, hey, man, these city boys, this is the reason why you only have, like, one or two cows. | ||
| You know, we need to all get together and go take their money and spread it around. | ||
| And then you know what they did once they came to power? | ||
| They went to those same farmers and said, hey, you know these 10 cows that you got? | ||
| Now they're part of the state. | ||
| You're going to raise them. | ||
| And if you kill them, I'm going to put you in jail for 20 years. | ||
| If you kill one of these cows, they're going to put tags on all of them. | ||
| And we're going to give you like 5% of that cow. | ||
| And if you have a problem with it, we'll put you in jail and the next person will come. | ||
| So it's like kind of the same tactics they use here, divide and conquer. | ||
| Constant, you know, because they know if we unite as a people and like... | ||
| Hey man, Trump was doing the right thing. | ||
| We might not like him on Twitter. | ||
| He might be a mean coach, but fuck, he wins titles constant. | ||
| If we could do that, I mean, fuck America would be right back to being great again, you know, right now. | ||
| What's going on with the banks? | ||
| I'm hearing all types of crazy shit. | ||
| We all, like, I hear these crazy reports. | ||
| I read these reports that I forgot the exact percentage, but if a certain percentage of people right now were to pull out their money... | ||
| Banks are collapsed. | ||
| There's 200 banks that are apparently in danger. | ||
| I hope it ain't mine. | ||
| You've been paying attention a little bit, right? | ||
| Yeah, if I start looking too deep, it sounds like the whole fucking thing is really about to just fall apart. | ||
| But I'm like, okay. | ||
| I knew it was bad. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| I'm so scared. | ||
| I knew it was bad when one of the heads of my bank sent me a message. | ||
| Hey, I just want to send you a message. | ||
| Everything is good here. | ||
| We're all taken care of. | ||
| You got nothing to worry about. | ||
| Your money's in a safe place. | ||
| You're like, oh my God, let me get my money now. | ||
| I called him right away and I told him, hey bro, do me a favor. | ||
| Would you tell me if it wasn't good though? | ||
| You're going to tell me that? | ||
| He's like... | ||
| No, of course I would. | ||
| I'm like, no, you wouldn't, man. | ||
| Come take your money out now before we go broke. | ||
| You're not going to tell me that, man. | ||
| Maybe we do it to you because you might fuck him up. | ||
| I might fuck him up, man. | ||
| You know, but damn. | ||
| It's a scary time to relive it, bro. | ||
| It's scary because I think a lot of these banks, they're, I mean, it's kind of funky. | ||
| It's like if you just take all the money out, they're fucked. | ||
| And if people panic and they take all the money out, and then those banks are fucked, and then it starts to cascade. | ||
| We might have just collapsed the economy right now, me and you, with this conversation. | ||
| Well, if you let too many people know what's going on, it could collapse the economy. | ||
| If you let too many people panic, if someone decided, like some financial expert, not a moron like me, but someone who's a legitimate financial expert- Elon Musk says, get your money out now? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| If Elon Musk got on Twitter and said, get your money out now, you know, invest in gold, invest in Bitcoin, do something else, people would fucking panic. | ||
| I mean, you're fighting at the FTX arena, which is wild. | ||
| Yeah, well, Miami Dade Arena now. | ||
| It still says FTX on my contract. | ||
| FTX Arena, bro. | ||
| That's a fucking awesome one. | ||
| And then how many billions of dollars did they give to, millions, not billions, did they give to Democratic Party? | ||
| The number two donor to the Democratic Party. | ||
| That's not like money laundering? | ||
| It seems a little bit like money laundering. | ||
| It's like a legal version of money laundering. | ||
| That's not money laundering. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, listen, man, he thought that that was the way he was going to avoid going to jail and avoid scrutiny. | ||
| Just keep shuffling out that money. | ||
| He wanted to donate a billion dollars next year. | ||
| He wanted to continue donating money. | ||
| And he was donating money from the people that put the money into that exchange. | ||
| He was taking other people's money and donating it. | ||
| What's going on with him now? | ||
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Is he facing like 20 life sentences? | |
| They're going to make an example of that, dude. | ||
| But the CEO who looked at it, again, I don't understand it. | ||
| So I have to just go off what I've read. | ||
| And what I've read is the CEO went over and he said, this is just old school fraud. | ||
| This is nothing but fraud. | ||
| This is fraud under a new type of money, under crypto fraud. | ||
| But he goes, but this is just straight fraud. | ||
| And, you know, he untangled all of it. | ||
| The CEO has been untangling all the books. | ||
| You know, they used QuickBooks to do their taxes. | ||
| QuickBooks. | ||
| Like some shit that, like, a guy who runs a corner store would use. | ||
| A billion dollar exchange. | ||
| These guys are saving some pennies there, huh? | ||
| I mean, they were all on amphetamines and they were all fucking each other in that house. | ||
| Part of me is kind of rooting for them. | ||
| I mean, if they weren't doing fraud, I mean, you got all these nerds that are just, there's nine of them living in a house and they're all just having orgies and fucking each other on speed. | ||
| They're all taking speed and ecstasy and banging each other. | ||
| They don't even look good. | ||
| No one's even hot. | ||
| Oh my gosh, bro. | ||
| They're just closing their eyes and watching video games and fucking each other. | ||
| I mean, it's crazy. | ||
| Just bought some fucking island in the Bahamas and went to town on each other. | ||
| Bought a giant-ass penthouse, a $40 million penthouse at the top of this building with the most amazing view. | ||
| They gotta make a movie on these guys. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They should. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it should be a real, a good one, like an Oliver Stone movie where they really go deep into what was actually going on and just show the grittiness of it. | ||
| And all the people that are killing themselves because they lost all their money and that's what people don't talk about. | ||
| It's like people commit suicide all the time when these things happen. | ||
| You've got a billion dollars locked up in crypto and now all of a sudden you're broke. | ||
| Broke as fuck. | ||
| And no way to get that money back. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| It's gone forever. | ||
| It didn't exist in the first place. | ||
| It was all a Ponzi scheme and now you're insolvent. | ||
| It makes you really... | ||
| like... | ||
| I might know a little bit of my money, but what do I know compared to a fucking billionaire? | ||
| Somebody that's made his money. | ||
| I made my money out fighting, not because I'm the greatest businessman. | ||
| You got these great businessmen to give you a fucking billion dollars. | ||
| What the fuck's going on here? | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's what's wild. | ||
| There was people that knew money. | ||
| They understood money. | ||
| They understood the whole thing and they dumped shitloads of money into that exchange. | ||
| Well, maybe if you dumped a bunch of money, they let you come to the orgy fentanyl party or something. | ||
| Must have been, right? | ||
| Like, you sign here. | ||
| Listen, guaranteeing you three orgy fentanyl parties a month, you're sacked. | ||
| I don't think anybody wanted to go to those parties. | ||
| They're a bunch of doughy-looking nerds banging each other. | ||
| I mean, the whole thing is crazy. | ||
| It doesn't even seem real. | ||
| The fact that everyone knew that they were having these orgies, that girl Caroline Ellison, she was talking on Twitter. | ||
| Is that the one with the glasses? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, she was the one he was banging, which is hilarious. | ||
| You ever see Tim Dillon's take on that? | ||
| You know who Tim Dillon is? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Tim Dillon's hilarious. | ||
| I didn't see his take on her, but I know who Tim is. | ||
| Tim Dillon on Caroline Ellison and Sam Bankman Freed. | ||
| He did this fucking. | ||
| About what kind of money? | ||
| Like, let's see what kind of pussy, you know, $10 billion gets you. | ||
| Like, I want to know! | ||
| I want to see what it gets you! | ||
| You know, it's like... | ||
| I've seen that shit. | ||
| It's like you gotta pay most of us some serious cash to like... | ||
| Yeah, just to do it. | ||
| Yeah, but meanwhile, they're billionaires. | ||
| And these are the people that are fucking each other. | ||
| Who are we to judge? | ||
| Maybe she had like a golden snatch. | ||
| Must have. | ||
| A $10 billion snatch. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's real. | ||
| All snatchers are not created equal. | ||
| No. | ||
| Some of them are better. | ||
| That's a fact. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| A lot better. | ||
| A lot better. | ||
| Like you're like, oh my God. | ||
| Like what's going on in that one? | ||
| Make you short circuit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where you panic and start breathing heavy. | ||
| Like, I gotta fucking concentrate myself. | ||
| Here it goes. | ||
| Dan Bankman-Fried. | ||
| And his girl has flipped on him, by the way. | ||
| Can we get a picture of this woman up? | ||
| Because this is why you do it, right? | ||
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For the puss? | |
| What does 32 billion buy in the market of pussy? | ||
| I don't like pussy! | ||
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I don't even know! | |
| I could get a real cock for 36 billion dollars. | ||
| You know the cock that I could get? | ||
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Let's get a picture of this hottie up. | |
| What does the straight market get you for... | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Sam, Sam, Sam, Sam. | |
| Sam, Sam, Sam. | ||
| Evading U.S. regulators, this is what it was for? | ||
| People would be like, well, you're making fun of the way a woman looks. | ||
| Okay, but they're criminals who stole everyone's money. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So maybe that, is that okay? | ||
| Then I make fun of them now! | ||
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Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. | |
| It's a fun time to be a comedian. | ||
| There's so much ridiculous shit going on. | ||
| It's like the whole world has gone topsy-turvy and nobody knows what's gonna right the ship. | ||
| So we're all worried. | ||
| We're all worried about war with Ukraine, the banks are gonna fail, the fucking climate, this, that, the other thing, the fucking border's porous. | ||
| People are pouring in, including terrorists. | ||
| They're catching people on the terrorist watch list every day, sneaking in through Mexico. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Kamala Harris has yet to still visit the southern border? | ||
| I don't know if she's visited it, but she doesn't talk too much about it. | ||
| When she does talk, it's just this rambling weird... | ||
| She's talking to the kindergarteners, of course. | ||
| Yeah, I think she's medicated. | ||
| I don't know if she is, but I've read this guy that was examining the way she talks and behaves, and he said that it's a classic for someone who's on anti-anxiety medications. | ||
| I don't know if he's telling the truth. | ||
| I don't know if he's right, but it's like the whole thing freaks me out. | ||
| It freaks me out because, you know, if Biden dies, which is very possible, I mean, he's... | ||
| Did you see that in Ukraine? | ||
| Somebody slid all the way down the stairs. | ||
| Maybe it could have been Biden. | ||
| Did you see that video? | ||
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No. | |
| It was on a couple pages on Instagram. | ||
| Air Force Ones lands in Ukraine. | ||
| Somebody falls off the stairs. | ||
| And if it would have been Biden, I think he would have died. | ||
| He would have died. | ||
| They slid down the rails, like slid down the rails and then... | ||
| Secret Service caught him at the bottom. | ||
| It's a fucking crazy video. | ||
| I haven't seen it. | ||
| Who was it? | ||
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I remember seeing this too. | |
| I thought it was Biden too, but they never said who it was. | ||
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Can we see it? | |
| I'm trying to find the right video. | ||
| He falls all the time. | ||
| He falls riding a bike. | ||
| He falls going upstairs. | ||
| This was different though. | ||
| This is like, oh, he's going to die and then they caught him. | ||
| It's from a faraway angle. | ||
| Yeah, look at that. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Who is that? | ||
| Hard to say. | ||
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It's in a group of people. | |
| There's a lot of stairs. | ||
| Whoop! | ||
| Slip and slide. | ||
| Dude was in the rush. | ||
| Oh my god, who is it? | ||
| I don't think they've ever said, not that I've ever heard. | ||
| Oh, it's Biden! | ||
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He came down separately by himself, I believe, on this particular moment. | |
| Oh, so it wasn't him? | ||
| So it wasn't him? | ||
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Is what I heard. | |
| Bro, he probably had a death grip on that rail. | ||
| Why doesn't he just have an elevator? | ||
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I don't think he can get an elevator on a plane. | |
| They gotta have some type of rig for this dude, man. | ||
| They should have someone in front of him, some big dude with good balance. | ||
| Yeah, but then imagine how weak it also makes him. | ||
| Look, you can't even walk down these stairs by your fucking self and you're running the greatest country in the world? | ||
| Bro, he falls going up the stairs. | ||
| First of all, he should not be wearing slippery shoes. | ||
| He should not be wearing those dress shoes. | ||
| Like, don't do that. | ||
| Those things are slippery for regular people. | ||
| For a dude, his body's short-circuiting. | ||
| Constant. | ||
| Constant. | ||
| I mean, what have they got him on to keep him going, too? | ||
| No, he's severely medicated. | ||
| I would like to get on that cocktail. | ||
| His pupils, his eyes just don't seem like regular either. | ||
| When he's, like, talking and stuff, it's... | ||
| It's probably Adderall. | ||
| They probably go, yeah! | ||
| Adderall's what like me and you could get. | ||
| They're giving him something else. | ||
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See that photo of him? | |
| No. | ||
| It must have been taken as he was sort of coming down the stairs a little hard. | ||
| Whoops! | ||
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But it's a weird position for him to be in. | |
| That's not good for old knees. | ||
| They blow those knees up. | ||
| He was like moshing. | ||
| Yeah, he's getting crazy. | ||
| Rage against the machines playing. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| I won't do what you tell me! | ||
| Yeah, it's a wild time to be alive, man. | ||
| It's a strange... | ||
| It's a time that could lead to terrible things or we could come out of this better. | ||
| Look, all around the world, though, it's only led to terrible things in the world. | ||
| I always have felt that... | ||
| Especially from hearing it from my dad that escaped communism at an early age. | ||
| He brought himself on over in a raft, landed in the Bahamas. | ||
| Your dad came from Cuba? | ||
| Came from Cuba. | ||
| When he was 14, 15 years old, him, his best friend, his best friend's uncle came up with a plan that they were going to escape. | ||
| So they found a tire tractor, turned it into a raft, hit the sea. | ||
| Seven days later, he landed to the Bahamas from the Bahamas. | ||
| He got extradited to the USA, straight to the projects, and began his journey here in America. | ||
| So he always would tell me. | ||
| Sorry about that. | ||
| No worries. | ||
| All my friends that have family that has come from a communist country, I have some friends that came from Eastern Bloc countries, I have friends that came from Venezuela, I have friends that have come from Cuba, like Joey. | ||
| Joey does not want to hear any of that shit. | ||
| You try to say that to Joey Diaz? | ||
| None of us. | ||
| This fucking shit always goes bad. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Every time. | ||
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Shout out to Joey, bro. | |
| He's one of the fucking coolest dudes I've ever met. | ||
| He's the best! | ||
| Joey Diaz is the funniest fucking human being I've ever met in my life. | ||
| But he has nothing good to say about that regime. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Nobody actually lived there. | ||
| That's why when I see, like, Kaepernick, he went to Miami and had a fucking Che Guevara shirt. | ||
| Like, this dude slaughtered fucking thousands of people. | ||
| Family of mine, friends of my family, and just to take power. | ||
| This guy was so fucked up that he had the wall removed from his own office so he could see the firing squad eliminating people. | ||
| And these are the people you put on t-shirts. | ||
| And if you believe in them so much, like any of these guys that advocate for socialism or communism, go live over there, dawg. | ||
| Just one year, I dare you, bro. | ||
| I fucking dare you, bro, because you wouldn't make it one day over there, Kaepernick or any of these fucks, advocating for socialism, communism, you know? | ||
| And what I was saying earlier is that look all over the world. | ||
| Venezuela. | ||
| Brazil. | ||
| Colombia, Ukraine, it's gotten bad overnight in what used to be the standard of fighting communism, socialism, is now somewhat semi-adapted in this country. | ||
| Progressive socialism, or what do they call it? | ||
| Yeah, they call it democratic socialism. | ||
| Democratic socialism? | ||
| Get the fuck out of here with that, bro. | ||
| They think that they're going to be able to do it the right way. | ||
| It's never been done the right way. | ||
| But they all understand that that kind of thing always leads to top-down power. | ||
| It always leads to dictatorships. | ||
| It always leads to someone enforcing. | ||
| And those people always have castles and fucking billions of dollars and everybody lives in poverty. | ||
| The only thing that's promised you in communism and socialism is equal misery for everybody else except the fucking elite of elite, you know? | ||
| And these people out there might be listening like, oh, I'm a billionaire or a millionaire. | ||
| No, you're not the elite still. | ||
| It's a different fucking power structure for those guys that... | ||
| You know, most of us ain't gonna fucking ever get to come around, you know, and that's just for them, you know, like California, perfect example. | ||
| What happens when you adopt these fucking shit policies, bro, in a great country like ours, bro? | ||
| I think a thousand percent we are the beacon of light for the whole world. | ||
| When we're doing good, the whole world is fucking doing good. | ||
| When we're fighting against that shit, that fucking pure evil, the whole world's doing better. | ||
| And look how good we were doing with Trump just like two, three years ago. | ||
| This wannabe president took over now. | ||
| The whole world's gone to shit real fucking quick. | ||
| Look at China, Taiwan, China, Hong Kong, all this shit. | ||
| I don't think none of this would have happened if Trump was in power, brother. | ||
| I fucking seriously believe that. | ||
| It probably would have been much different, for sure. | ||
| And, you know, if we could get sensible policies and a sensible, like someone who's fiscally conservative to take over these states and put them back on track, it would be better for everybody. | ||
| That's what people don't understand. | ||
| It's better for the poor people. | ||
| It's better for more jobs. | ||
| When the economy is doing better, everybody does better. | ||
| Small government. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Never give them the power. | ||
| Never give them the fucking power. | ||
| But it's so hard for people to wrap their head around that because they think that socialism is like a more equitable, fair way to live life. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| They just think it because they don't have any money. | ||
| They don't understand that the people that do have money, they are manipulating you. | ||
| The whole thing is manipulation and it's top-down manipulation. | ||
| And once... | ||
| They get complete control. | ||
| If they get something like some sort of a social credit score system and a digital currency, we're fucked. | ||
| Like China? | ||
| Like China, exactly. | ||
| You won't be able... | ||
| If you tweet something that they don't like, you won't be able to... | ||
| You can't catch that fast train no more. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| No, it takes you two, three days to get to that side of the country. | ||
| They'll punish you. | ||
| And they'll punish you so you will self-censor. | ||
| And you will step in line. | ||
| You will stand in line. | ||
| You will be one of the people that's subjugated. | ||
| And there's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. | ||
| That's how it always works. | ||
| And the people that want to point to it being the way we should live, there's no successful version of it. | ||
| No one can say, like, this is how socialism works when it's perfect. | ||
| 200 million souls and counting in the socialism-communism experiment. | ||
| It's never worked once. | ||
| Why would we take the chance with the country that's the greatest in the world, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. | ||
| Could we be better? | ||
| Fuck yeah, we could be better. | ||
| But I've been all over the world, just as I'm sure you've traveled the world 20 times over me, and I truly feel in my heart, this is the greatest country. | ||
| I'm a son of two immigrant species that didn't have shit. | ||
| My dad landed on a fucking raft. | ||
| My mom came from Peru and didn't have fucking a dollar. | ||
| She was like the first one to get here, escaping the socialism over there to an extent. | ||
| It wasn't as bad as Cuba. | ||
| And I'm a multi-millionaire, bro. | ||
| Just for doing my passion, my love, something that I fucking love in my heart. | ||
| And I'm taking care of my family, my family's family. | ||
| And a couple generations down, I'm going to be able to fucking contribute to them. | ||
| Sorry about that. | ||
| No worries. | ||
| Keep shutting down. | ||
| Popular dude. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's actually my fucking wake up from my nap alarm. | ||
| You got naps incorporated into your day? | ||
| Not always, but just in case, you know. | ||
| Every now and then? | ||
| Sleep? | ||
| Yeah, every now and then. | ||
| A little sleep. | ||
| Not too much, though. | ||
| How many... | ||
| Like, have you changed as you've gotten older? | ||
| Have you changed your workout routine? | ||
| Have you done anything? | ||
| Yes, no. | ||
| One thing I like to do is obviously shock my body, but I also like to get long training sessions in. | ||
| I remember Bernard Hopkins would talk about it a lot, where he would just do the basics for a very, very long time and just doing it. | ||
| And it's very boring and monotonous just for me to just throw one jab, one jab, one jab constantly, things like that. | ||
| But I feel that it just re-sparks maybe things that I should be sharpening up. | ||
| And it becomes cardio at some point, you know, as I'm doing it for so long, it becomes cardio and it becomes specific cardio to what I'm doing. | ||
| So a lot of my sessions, I'll have like a two to three hour session first thing in the morning when I'm nice and strong and I have the fucking full gas tank. | ||
| Then I'll take my little break and then I'll have like another session at night. | ||
| But it's not always like that. | ||
| Sometimes when I don't have a fight, I'll do three sessions a day, but they won't be like crazy. | ||
| It'll be maybe a strength and conditioning that lasted about 45 minutes to an hour and 15 minutes. | ||
| And I took a big break. | ||
| Then I came back in the midday, had like a good technique session where I'm just focused on positions that I'm not efficient and just doing them over and over and over. | ||
| And I'm not... | ||
| I used to do a lot more live, mixing with drilling. | ||
| I've always been a big driller just because I'm not for grappling. | ||
| Striking is different. | ||
| Coach, you show it to me two, three times, and I understand that the biomechanics really will. | ||
| Grappling has never come to me like that. | ||
| So I have to like... | ||
| Get numerous repetitions. | ||
| So in that I'm doing my cardio. | ||
| I'm getting better at my craft. | ||
| So I just like to fucking train and just put the time in there. | ||
| So when I was younger, I trained hard like twice a day. | ||
| But always didn't have like a direction. | ||
| Now I have like a clear direction. | ||
| I'm just trying to focus on making this guillotine more efficient or whatever it is that I'm doing. | ||
| So I'm just going to get... | ||
| Numerous reps. | ||
| I'll spend numerous time with Mike Brown or Paulina Hernandez, whoever is leading the practice, and they know that I'm also very ADD and dumb. | ||
| I can't learn more than one to two moves a day, or even the setup. | ||
| They just teach me two, three things, and I'm just going to drill that for an hour, hour and a half, and I'll be done. | ||
| Are you monitoring your heart rate to make sure you're not overtraining? | ||
| Are you doing shit like that? | ||
| I was definitely doing that with Whoop and stuff, but I was like, man, this comes from China, man. | ||
| Nah, I'm not even joking, man. | ||
| I'm not even joking. | ||
| I was like, these Chinese motherfuckers are monitoring my sleep, my everything. | ||
| And I was like, nah, bro, I can't do this shit no more. | ||
| And then, you know, a lot of times I'm just like, mind don't matter. | ||
| Like, I wake up feeling like a little, oh, I don't feel great, this and that. | ||
| And then the whoop tells me, hey, or whatever technology. | ||
| I'm not trying to diss on whoop or nothing. | ||
| Or whatever technology I was using, like, hey, you know, today should be like a half day. | ||
| But in the back of my mind, I'm like, should it be? | ||
| Because I feel like if I really, like, start to warm up and start to dig and I got somebody in front of me that's mean and trying to come after me, bro, I'm going to find it. | ||
| And then I'm fighting just in case I wake up not feeling the best hookies of fuck. | ||
| I got to fight. | ||
| You know, I got to compete. | ||
| So I like them and I don't. | ||
| For, like, workouts, I like them. | ||
| But for them to tell me, like, today, take, like, a half day off, it's kind of like I've been doing it so long. | ||
| I also know my body's, like, the difference between an injury and just being, like, truly sore, maybe having, like, a little... | ||
| Pain somewhere, so I just really listen to my body. | ||
| I did the modern for like a good six to eight months, and I think it's a great tool. | ||
| I think individuals should definitely use it, but combat sports is like this special, weird fucking thing. | ||
| Maybe if I was a triathlete, it would make a lot more scientific sense, but in combat, it's like... | ||
| You gotta test the mind, too. | ||
| Yeah, and sometimes when you're not doing that well physically, the mind gets you through it. | ||
| You gotta know that it's always there. | ||
| In your body, when I used to cut a lot of weight at 155 pounds, It was constant running for me. | ||
| It was three to five miles every day to every other day. | ||
| And then as I got closer to the fight, it was just a constant thing. | ||
| So then I'd have my two-hour long session in the morning, sparring, whatever, and then I would do pads at night. | ||
| Then I'd go home, have like a little protein shake and go run. | ||
| And then there's truly where I discovered myself because I didn't really fucking want to do these runs. | ||
| It'd be like a five-mile run. | ||
| I'm like, bro, I don't think I could do a half a mile. | ||
| And just putting on my socks, going through that mentally, and then I put on my shoes, and the next step I'm out the door, then before I know it, I did these five miles, and those things led me to believe we're always gonna have breaks, sensors put on us, like, oh, that's it, can't go no more. | ||
| But when you really want something, when you're really like, fuck it, I'll just pass out on the street, and I don't give a fuck, but I'm gonna get this done, shit happens, bro. | ||
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| And you just, like, evolve, bro. | ||
| It's the power of the mind. | ||
| It's like some people, they have this ability to push, like David Goggins is the best example ever. | ||
| Another fucking dude that I love to listen to. | ||
| You just hear him talking, you get fucking goosebumps. | ||
| Whenever I'm around him, man, I'm like, he's an extraordinary human being. | ||
| Like, do you know his knees are destroyed? | ||
| His knees are so fucked up, the doctor when they examined his knee said, I can't believe you could walk. | ||
| He goes, forget about running thousands of miles. | ||
| How the fuck are you walking on these knees? | ||
| His knees are bone on bone. | ||
| And he got his knee cut because his knee had grown like the bone had distorted because it was just bone on bone and inflamed. | ||
| So he had to get it cut. | ||
| Sliced and wedged and then screwed in place. | ||
| So it was flat fucking so it's still bone on bone But at least now it's flat so he doesn't like put all the weight on one side of his knee But if you see like his knee like show the picture of the injury It's so fucking crazy that you you can't imagine that this guy would do this and I mean she really needs knee replacements and And he probably will have to get them some day, but... | ||
| Some stem cell at least. | ||
| Something. | ||
| The stem cell helped me out tremendously. | ||
| When I used to do a lot of roll work, the pounding was like fucking... | ||
| You wake up and you just have the pain. | ||
| Like, I just ran five miles, and the night before I wake up, I feel like shit. | ||
| Yeah, so see that marking? | ||
| That's because the edema in his legs. | ||
| And that picture of being him together, that's what his knee looks like. | ||
| So they sliced his knee, like, at an angle, and then... | ||
| Took a chunk of it out and then moved it down so that it's flat. | ||
| But if you look at his knee, there's no space. | ||
| There's no meniscus. | ||
| There's no cartilage. | ||
| That is fucking straight bone on bone. | ||
| And that dude is running, you know, 25, 30 miles a day. | ||
| At a crazy pace. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Out there talking shit. | ||
| Stay hard! | ||
| Just running in agony. | ||
| Like he says when he stands, he's in agony. | ||
| When he walks around, he's in agony. | ||
| He's always in pain, but you would never notice. | ||
| He just keeps moving. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| And that kind of mental strength, that dude, he's like a dispensary for mental strength. | ||
| You hear him talk, and all of a sudden you find a new gear. | ||
| And then you watch him do it, which is even more, you know, I love the motivational speakers, but there's nothing more motivation to me than coach just said, hey, we're going to run five hard miles, and he's fucking running it there, and he's ahead of us. | ||
| I'm like, man, how the What the fuck's this old motherfuckin' in front of me? | ||
| I gotta push, you know? | ||
| I gotta fuckin' get after him. | ||
| I'm the one that's competing. | ||
| That's why I fuckin' hats off to Goggins always, bro. | ||
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Shit, man. | |
| Hats off to him. | ||
| I think that is the benefit, like what you just described, of a big camp. | ||
| Because a big, like, ATT has so many fuckin' killers that you are just constantly around these assassins on a daily basis. | ||
| And it's just, it is a dog pit. | ||
| And if you're not a dog and you get in there, you'll find out real quick. | ||
| And you'll know where you stand in the world. | ||
| And it took us a while to get there, man, to become like a refined big team. | ||
| Shout out to Dan Lambert. | ||
| Dan Lambert's a fucking man. | ||
| Dan Lambert's a fucking man. | ||
| He spent so much goddamn money putting ATT together back in the day where there was very little money in the sport just out of love. | ||
| And still does. | ||
| This is stuff you won't ever hear from Dan's mouth, but this is stuff that I know personally. | ||
| He'll fucking probably punch me in the leg for saying things, but he's constantly helping dudes out, whatever. | ||
| Rent came up short, or you have a surgery and it's not getting covered because this promotion that you're at doesn't have that. | ||
| Okay, here you go, bro. | ||
| Here's fucking XYZ dollars. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| He's not like your typical dude, man. | ||
| He's a fucking good dude through and through, transparent as fuck. | ||
| What you see is what you get. | ||
| And back then when you put the program together, like you said, there was like no money, man. | ||
| This guy has the pockets to own like a football team or something. | ||
| This is what he loves. | ||
| He's fucking... | ||
| Loves MMA, you know? | ||
| And he's put a great program together. | ||
| Back then, though, it was some wild stuff. | ||
| I wish you could have came in the American Top Team back then when it was like sparring was just like a fight. | ||
| Because we had adopted something where, you know, we knew that in boxing, you just spar hard. | ||
| You know, you don't always spar in boxing, but once that camp is up eight weeks out, they're fucking, those guys are throwing heaters to see where they're at, you know? | ||
| So, ATT used to be like that, and it was like... | ||
| Constant amount of bodies everywhere now. | ||
| We've gotten more sophisticated. | ||
| The coaches have gotten better where we still get after it hard, but in a much more scientific way. | ||
| And fuck, bro, I'm eager to see what the future brings. | ||
| Long after I retire, I think that we're still going to hold the fucking flag up for mixed martial arts, bro. | ||
| Well, it's an incredible camp. | ||
| And, you know, it's filled. | ||
| And the guys we've got coming up right now? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Guys like Eblen. | ||
| Eblen. | ||
| Like Johnny, who's... | ||
| He puts in a lot of work down there. | ||
| He's a fucking killer, too. | ||
| There's a thing about Bellator. | ||
| Unfortunately, people aren't recognizing it. | ||
| They watch it casually, but they don't have the kind of fan base that the UFC has. | ||
| It's unfortunate because guys like Eblen are so fucking talented. | ||
| There's so many people, Michael Venom Page, there's so many people over there that are so good. | ||
| They're so good and so fun to watch. | ||
| You know, Douglas Lima. | ||
| That motherfucker's leg kicks out of this world. | ||
| Left hook, straight right hand. | ||
| Always been a big fan of Lima. | ||
| And one of the best in the world. | ||
| I always wanted Lima to compete. | ||
| I don't know where he's at in his prime, but when he was at the top in Bellator, I always wanted him over at the UFC. Especially against the better strikers. | ||
| The wrestlers, they kind of had his number there, but against strikers, he would have got my money. | ||
| He would have paid for sure. | ||
| He was a motherfucker. | ||
| He really was a motherfucker. | ||
| That was when Askren handled him. | ||
| That was when I was like, Man, I want to see what happens when Askren gets into the UFC. Because Askren, in that time, when he was the Bellator champion, they just let him go. | ||
| They're like, you're too boring. | ||
| Which is crazy. | ||
| As a champion, they're like, we don't want to watch your fight. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| He's a blanket, man. | ||
| He's a blanket. | ||
| No excitement. | ||
| It takes a lot of attrition and conditioning and skill to do that. | ||
| But when guys fight like that, they're doing the complete opposite of fighting. | ||
| They're doing everything in their power for them not to land the blow and me not to land the blow. | ||
| And it's kind of like... | ||
| Bro, you're almost trying too hard to sniff a crotch or fucking sniff an armpit, you know? | ||
| It's fighting, but it's also entertainment, you know? | ||
| And he wasn't finishing guys. | ||
| He's just literally hugging guys to death, you know? | ||
| My perspective was I'm fascinated to see who he can do that to. | ||
| Because he did that to a lot of guys. | ||
| I mean, he did it to a lot of guys. | ||
| Guys that were like killers. | ||
| And he... | ||
| Just put that fucking wrestling on. | ||
| And the beautiful thing about the way you knocked him out is you preyed on his instincts. | ||
| You went at an angle and then right to him and his instinct was just automatically to grab you. | ||
| That is one of the most iconic photos in the history of the fucking sport. | ||
| And then you use that even in your papers. | ||
| Let's just show Jorge has papers. | ||
| Trio 5, baby. | ||
| Trio 5 papers. | ||
| And it says at the bottom, super necessary. | ||
| Let's go, man. | ||
| It's super necessary you get them papers. | ||
| But yeah, Knockout, I mean, I remember watching that going, oh my god. | ||
| You know, a lot of it was also... | ||
| Psychological, man. | ||
| I knew from hanging out that he wasn't good in adapting. | ||
| It's like, hey, you got to come prove it now. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| I was saying, like, all that shit talking, you got to do it now. | ||
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And these guys just flapping gums at each other. | |
| Any chance they get... | ||
| Go to the side and then boom, right in. | ||
| Out cold. | ||
| But the whole thing is the walking over him that really gets him, the change of speed. | ||
| I saw that on Twitter, you know, I always like to study my dudes in different ways, but I saw that in a... | ||
| This is the best decision, right? | ||
| It's a celebration. | ||
| On Twitter, I saw that he was very witty and always constantly writing shit like that. | ||
| I'm like, you know, he's a dork and a nerd, but he's got a little bit of wit behind the computer screen. | ||
| When I saw him face to face every time and it was straight, my cue versus yours, improvisation versus your improvisation, or maybe you've been thinking about some stupid shit for like a month and you're going to say it to me now, but he froze up every single time. | ||
| These were like a lot of encounters we had off camera. | ||
| Like, I remember I saw him and I was like, ducked off in a corner and he was walking by this. | ||
| So I'm like, well, I'm just gonna spring up on this dude and scare the living shit out of him. | ||
| So I did pop up on him, hands behind my back, literally short circuit. | ||
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Hey, hey, hey, master, I heard you're a very tough guy. | |
| I gotta use your bathroom. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Let's talk, bro. | ||
| I just wanna talk. | ||
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Don't worry. | |
| I'm not gonna do nothing to you. | ||
| Come over here. | ||
| Let me talk to you, bro. | ||
| Why are you such a corny motherfucker? | ||
| And I'm just, you know, trying to probe at him. | ||
| And I noticed every single time that it was unscripted, unimprovised like that, just spur of the moment, short circuit. | ||
| Couldn't fucking, you know, keep it together. | ||
| So I was like, I not only need to run at him, but I need to have like a change of speed because that's going to make him go into his natural crotch sniffing instincts. | ||
| If I just change the speed on him, he's going to fucking duck. | ||
| So that's why I came out slow, cut the little angle and let him like, oh, okay, you know, we're going to circle it up. | ||
| As soon as I change speed, what does he do? | ||
| Go to his fucking initial instincts as a fucking crotch sniffer. | ||
| Go sniff the crotch. | ||
| And say you're going to kiss his knee goodbye, you know? | ||
| That was one of the greatest knockouts in the history of the sport, without a doubt. | ||
| I mean, one of the best ever. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Plus, it doesn't take up too much of your time, you know? | ||
| You want to see a dead body real quick? | ||
| Bam, you know, and it's over. | ||
| It was just a giant scream. | ||
| And that was like, you fucking launched into him. | ||
| It was hilarious though, like right away on Twitter, he's like, well that sucked. | ||
| And then I counted his ass out, you know. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| I mean, he leaned into it too. | ||
| He was dying to sniff the crotch. | ||
| He was dying, bro. | ||
| He's like, he should have been invited to the Sam Bankman Freed Party. | ||
| Horrible knockout. | ||
| One of the worst ever and one of the greatest ever. | ||
| It's just the way you set it up though. | ||
| And then watching video footage of you practicing that over and over and over again and knowing that that was a plan. | ||
| So when I'm doing it the night before, I'm like 95% certain because of the way he's been acting all week. | ||
| Like, all I gotta do at any given moment is just get this guy uncomfortable. | ||
| Go from like chill to invaded space, whether it was in the opening bout or like in the second round or midway through the third. | ||
| I just knew I had to invade his space and he's going to go to his natural instincts. | ||
| I know I keep saying it, but I just knew it. | ||
| Like the way he'd freeze up every time we talked, the way he'd walk, the way he'd get stiff. | ||
| Yeah, as you practice it. | ||
| I mean you literally practice the exact same thing over and over and over again. | ||
| It's so it's so wild to see like it's like when Connor knocked out Jose Aldo you ever see that shit where he was practicing that he was like mimicking Aldo and then he's practicing like just launching that left hand when he moves in yeah and then And the same thing, got him out of character, got him fucked up and flustered, got him angry. | ||
| Nobody had disrespected Aldo before that. | ||
| Everyone was terrified of Aldo. | ||
| I still think one of the greatest 145ers. | ||
| One of the greatest of all time! | ||
| I mean, yeah, Conor got him. | ||
| Yeah, Conor got him. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| But he was better than Conor O'Rourke. | ||
| His wrestling fucking... | ||
| His career was certainly better than Conor's, but the thing about Conor is in that first round particularly, he's so explosive and so quick. | ||
| Timing too. | ||
| He comes in with the timing on fucking like dialed right in. | ||
| And that touch of death. | ||
| He's got these big ass hands and he just fucking launches them at people. | ||
| In that first round, he's one of the most dangerous guys alive. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| He's so good. | ||
| I wonder how he's going to come back with that leg break. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Here's him practicing. | ||
| He's doing how Aldo moves, and then he's doing how he moves. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| That's it. | ||
| He knew what was going to happen, and then here, look at this. | ||
| This weird style, throwing that side kick, and then here it comes. | ||
| I mean, crazy! | ||
| And he got clipped as well. | ||
| In the process, he got clipped. | ||
| Well, he's got a hell of a fucking chin. | ||
| I mean, Conor has a hell of a chin, too. | ||
| Especially at 45. At 45, he would just walk through dudes. | ||
| I heard he would have the massive weight cuts too at 45. Oh my god, he looked like death. | ||
| He was one of those guys when I would see him, that was the real weigh-ins. | ||
| That wasn't the weigh-ins where guys were ceremonial weigh-in, where they weighed in at 10 o'clock in the morning. | ||
| Look at him at weigh-in. | ||
| That motherfucker looks like he's on death's door. | ||
| And all that flexing and craziness, like your body is like, you could cramp up real bad at that point. | ||
| It's happened to me numerous times. | ||
| You flexed a little too hard after the weight cut. | ||
| Yeah, look at the difference. | ||
| I mean, it's extraordinary. | ||
| I mean, he's gaining a solid 20-plus pounds of water. | ||
| So, like, just the amount of mental strength it took to get down to that 145, it was crazy. | ||
| But at 145, he's so fucking big. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| There's a giant benefit to it, but man, the cost on your kidneys and your organs and... | ||
| And the chin. | ||
| And the chin, yeah. | ||
| Reflexes. | ||
| Oh, your head, you're just fucking... | ||
| But that was the IV days, though, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You could rehydrate. | ||
| Four banana bags to the face, you're fine the next day. | ||
| Re-inflate. | ||
| You would see guys weigh in, and the only guy who freaked me out was Yoel. | ||
| Yoel Romero would look so big at 185, you're like, how is that 185? | ||
| How is it even possible? | ||
| He looks like a heavyweight. | ||
| I've known Yoel since he got to America, and I was a fan of him before I remember watching him compete in the Olympics. | ||
| Obviously, he's Cuban, so my whole family, everybody, we're always cheering for this dude. | ||
| And this dude was like just fucking Roy Jones Jr. type cloth, you know? | ||
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And he didn't even start in the UFC until he was 36. And he doesn't lift weights. | |
| He doesn't lift weights? | ||
| Maybe he's lifting weights now, but when we were training constantly together, it was just push-ups, pull-ups, squat jumps. | ||
| He'd do a lot of body workouts, and he looks like he's a fucking pro bodybuilder. | ||
| He's the freakiest of the freaks in terms of like athletic freaks, just extraordinary athletic freaks. | ||
| And dense. | ||
| Out of everybody that I've trained with, I've never felt someone denser. | ||
| I remember he had just started and, you know, so we'd always trade techniques. | ||
| He's showing me what he would do in wrestling in certain positions and I'm showing him like in striking. | ||
| And I'm talking about like... | ||
| Here's him warming up. | ||
| Crazy flexible. | ||
| Crazy flexible, crazy athletic. | ||
| But, you know, I had him on the podcast and Joey Diaz translated. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| But he was talking about the Cuban program. | ||
| He goes, they turn you into a machine! | ||
| They turn you into a machine! | ||
| He goes, you can eat! | ||
| Those were his workouts back then, literally. | ||
| He'd do like 50 of those, then take a break, and then he'd do another 50 of those, and that was his weightlifting. | ||
| It's extraordinary because, you know, the guy, I mean, because he didn't want to gas out, rarely used his wrestling, and he's one of the best wrestlers ever. | ||
| I mean, he was an extraordinary wrestler, but his flying knee knockout of Chris Weidman is also one of the greatest of all time. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| His debut UFC, he gets a flying knockout. | ||
| He's with me and my trainer, Paulino Hernandez. | ||
| And I've landed the knee a couple times in Japan and hurt guys and gotten some good success off it. | ||
| So we had seen fights. | ||
| He's like, hey, man, I want to learn the flying knee. | ||
| You know, so we showed it to him, like, not lying, two weeks and like five days before his fight, and we showed him a quick little setup for it, you know? | ||
| You go forward, you go back, you go forward, and you go back, and when he goes back, if he comes forward, you jump with it. | ||
| And fucking his first UFC fight does it. | ||
| He literally, I saw it with my own eyes, he learned this technique two fucking weeks before. | ||
| That's when I knew, bro, this, not only is, because there's guys that are athletic. | ||
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There it is. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| This guy's also a fucking brainer. | ||
| He's also like he would move so slowly and casual and then boom! | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Show the one with Chris Weidman because Chris Weidman is even more impressive. | ||
| And there he is when he was on the podcast. | ||
| He was like 220 pounds when he came in to do the podcast. | ||
| His traps look like fucking buildings, bro. | ||
| He's a fucking house. | ||
| Here's the Weidman fight. | ||
| It was a good fight. | ||
| It was a great fight. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| And then the cat-likeness, how he landed and everything. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| He was extraordinary. | ||
| I mean, he's just a freak. | ||
| You know, when they brought him to Australia, I've told this story before, forgive me if you've heard this, folks. | ||
| They brought him to Australia, and he had a fractured orbital, and they brought him to the doctor. | ||
| So he gets examined, and then the doctor calls the UFC and goes, where did you get this guy? | ||
| And they go, what do you mean? | ||
| And they go, he's a fucking specimen. | ||
| And he goes, oh yeah, he's amazing, right? | ||
| And they go, no, no, no, you don't understand. | ||
| He goes, I've been a doctor for 50 years. | ||
| I've never seen someone like him. | ||
| He said the tendons in his eyes are three times larger than a normal person's. | ||
| He said the orbital fracture, it's already healing. | ||
| Like he's just a... | ||
| Athletic freak. | ||
| The rarest of the rare. | ||
| I used to kick this guy in the leg or the fucking form. | ||
| And everybody that he's fought always says it. | ||
| You saw his performance with Izzy. | ||
| I think he hit Izzy in the first one. | ||
| Izzy kept touching it. | ||
| Because he truly is the most dense guy I've ever worked out with. | ||
| That's what Luke Rockhold said. | ||
| He was like he was made out of metal. | ||
| Bro, it's not a fucking lie, bro. | ||
| And it's crazy because he didn't lift weights, push-ups, pull-ups, those jumping shit, but he would be very disciplined with it. | ||
| You know, like, no matter what he did, boom, every day he had, like, his little set of doing things to keep himself in shape. | ||
| And remember, he got, like you said, he got into the UFC at, what, 36, 37? | ||
| 36! | ||
| If he comes over from Cuba after winning his first world championship, he was at 19 years old, he was the first one that he won, and then he sold matches and did what he had to do to get money. | ||
| If he comes in at, like, 19 over here, he's, like, numerous-time champion and at different weights, bro. | ||
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| And the ability to learn for that guy, too, was unparalleled, bro. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's like there's levels to athleticism, and he's... | ||
| And he's a mean guy, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Nice guy, too. | ||
| No, super nice guy, but when anything related with competition, you're talking about a pissing contest or a spitting contest, he's trying to fucking outdo you. | ||
| Well, think about where he came up from. | ||
| I mean, what made him is that Cuban program. | ||
| They turn you into a machine! | ||
| Yeah, and that's all you got over there. | ||
| It's either that or be like everybody else, broken in misery, you know? | ||
| Yep, yeah. | ||
| I mean, that's how they make people the way they are. | ||
| I mean, it's pretty extraordinary, but man, that dude. | ||
| I would have loved to see him when he was younger. | ||
| I mean, it's really kind of incredible that you get him, essentially at your age, just making his debut. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| You can see from fight to fight just how much he's evolving. | ||
| You know, he's like, ah, this wrestling stuff is cool, but I need to knock people the fuck out of me. | ||
| And he still looks fucking great. | ||
| He's fighting in Bellator now, right? | ||
| He still looks fucking great. | ||
| At 205. It's incredible. | ||
| I mean, what an extraordinary human being. | ||
| Just so unusual. | ||
| And the fucking style that he had. | ||
| Just like so loose and relaxed. | ||
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Boom! | |
| And then out of nowhere. | ||
| And he's wrestling too defensively. | ||
| Offensively, he's just beautiful. | ||
| Like in that same Chris Weidman fight, you can see his intelligence. | ||
| It's before that knee. | ||
| He goes for a takedown. | ||
| Weidman stuffs it. | ||
| And the way that Weidman stuffs it, he knows if he does it again, I'm going to fucking take him right down. | ||
| And he shoots the same takedown. | ||
| Weidman stuffs it the same way and boop, right in his fucking back. | ||
| Just like a fucking thing of beauty, man. | ||
| Levels. | ||
| It's that Olympic level wrestling. | ||
| That's why it's so fascinating to see guys like Bo Nickel and these elite wrestlers coming in at an early age. | ||
| That's another fucking problem. | ||
| Real problem. | ||
| Huge fan of that guy. | ||
| I've been watching him since his freshman year, but I hate when this motherfucker goes with me on the mat. | ||
| He is a fucking nightmare, bro. | ||
| I can imagine. | ||
| He's so good already on the ground. | ||
| Because that's a very studious guy too. | ||
| Obviously, the wrestling is fucking second nature. | ||
| I was talking to his mom once. | ||
| He had like 85 wrestling matches before the age of nine. | ||
| So you know, it's part of his psyche, his subconscious. | ||
| But how fast he's getting on the ground, it's scary. | ||
| I'm seeing it in myself from like a year and a half ago when he came in to right now, the way he's getting legit black belts. | ||
| Just like fucking take down, half guard, side mount, submission. | ||
| What the fuck, bro? | ||
| Taking guys' backs, putting the fucking triangle on him, choke him out. | ||
| He's the guy that fucking could go very far and overnight, bro. | ||
| Very far. | ||
| And the hype on him is so intense. | ||
| Like, a guy fights on the pay-per-view his first fight in the UFC. He doesn't even have fucking 15 minutes of K-Time. | ||
| He has like a total combined. | ||
| I'm not exaggerating. | ||
| I don't think he makes a round. | ||
| I don't think he has five total minutes of combat. | ||
| It's extraordinary. | ||
| Elite level wrestling, in my opinion, is the best base. | ||
| The best base, for sure. | ||
| Because you can dictate where the fight goes. | ||
| If you stay up on your feet or if you take it down. | ||
| And it's just like, I was always fascinated by striking, so I grew up with the striking, but once I realized it doesn't matter how good, fast, or hard I punch, if I can't keep it on my feet, this means nothing. | ||
| I can't knock you out from being on guard or being mounted, you know? | ||
| So I really focused the last, I don't know, 14 years of my career in heavy grappling and mainly defensive. | ||
| When I tell you that 70% of my mat time is just spent on wrestling, whether it be offense or defense, And then the other stuff is striking because it just comes so naturally to me. | ||
| Even like the endurance, you know? | ||
| I could not spar for numerous weeks. | ||
| I'll jump into American top team with the best guys that we have there. | ||
| And if it's just straight striking, I can't get tired. | ||
| It's like I can do five rounds and it's just chilling. | ||
| If I got to wrestle five hard minutes with another fucking All-American or National Champion, different story, man. | ||
| Yeah, there's nothing like it. | ||
| What weighs on you in wrestling, the kind of endurance that's required in wrestling is just so different. | ||
| And that's where a guy like Yoel or a guy like Bo Nickel that spent their life doing that, they're so efficient. | ||
| It's just a completely different kind of ability to push and to drain people in those exchanges. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Just being efficient where maybe you're going to take down on me, but I'm going to get away in seconds. | ||
| But if I take you down, I'm going to fucking wear you the fuck out. | ||
| I'm going to put all your weight on your hands. | ||
| I'm going to make you carry my fucking weight. | ||
| By the time we get out of here, you've been carrying me for like three minutes and a half. | ||
| It changes you now. | ||
| Your snap, your electricity, everything slows down just a bit, man. | ||
| Are those the most frustrating losses for you, like the first fight with Kamaru or the Colby Covington fight, these wrestling-heavy fights? | ||
| Definitely, you know, and it's something that, like, 170 has always been, like, dominant. | ||
| Like, I feel in other divisions maybe I could have had an easier path to the title because it was, like, more striking-oriented, things like that. | ||
| At 170, it's always been since like the Matt Hughes range, GSP, it's always been like grappler, wrestler, dance, you know? | ||
| And it's not frustrating. | ||
| It's like fucking fuck, bro. | ||
| Like, damn, I want to fight and I prepared so hard for this like little position. | ||
| Like he gets into a single leg and if he pops his head this way, I'm going to do this. | ||
| And if he goes that way, I'm going to do it. | ||
| And I have all these game plans. | ||
| Then you get there. | ||
| The guy's just better than you at that situation before. | ||
| You know, you're on your back. | ||
| Minutes gone by. | ||
| Now you're fucking down. | ||
| You finally get back up. | ||
| The guy's not engaging. | ||
| He's moving like you're trying to throw strikes. | ||
| So definitely frustration, you know. | ||
| But like everything, man, you got to just get better where you suck at, you know. | ||
| For the longest time, I've always known I'm gifted with the hands, the speed, the power. | ||
| Why I need to always put in my time and effort, and I've always done that, is wrestling and wrestling defensive, you know. | ||
| Well, you've always been good at wrestling defensively, but what's been always extraordinary about you is, like, the sneaky shit. | ||
| The way you set up stuff. | ||
| Like, the Darren Till knockout. | ||
| The way he stepped in and threw that hook. | ||
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| That was a big win, too, because that was at the time when Darren Till had so much hype on him. | ||
| Yeah, he was, like, number three at the time. | ||
| I had, like, a year layoff, came back, went to his own town and did it, you know? | ||
| Just like I'm about to do to Leon's bitch ass, I'm gonna go to England and knock his fucking head off his shoulders. | ||
| Because that's a good style matchup for me. | ||
| He's not a wrestler. | ||
| He can't wrestle for five rounds, and he's not better technically than me. | ||
| He's going to have to stand there with me and fucking throw blows, and that's why I'm going to fucking hurt that dude, bro. | ||
| You can't look past Gilbert, though, right? | ||
| Never look past any man, but I started training not for Gilbert, but I started training, period. | ||
| I'm gonna say like four months ago. | ||
| So I'm one of the best shapes of my life. | ||
| I haven't got no injuries and my mind is right, man. | ||
| For a long time, I didn't want to fight. | ||
| I had a lot of things outside of the ring that weren't going right. | ||
| So I wasn't trying to compete while all these other fucked up things were happening. | ||
| I got three felonies on one side of the thing. | ||
| I got some lawsuits, got injuries, got losses. | ||
| I was like, you know what? | ||
| There's a lot of bad juju I gotta get out of my life. | ||
| So I did, you know, in all types of shapes and aspects. | ||
| I've cut out a lot of negativity and things that maybe weren't negative, but were leading to negativity, like gateways to negativity, things that I didn't need in my life. | ||
| So I just fucking, I feel that for the 20 years I've been in this fucking sport, I'm in probably one of the best places right now mentally. | ||
| And eight months ago, I mean, you can see pictures online. | ||
| I was like 220 pounds. | ||
| I was in a fucking dark place for a fucking long, long time. | ||
| I've been living my life very different. | ||
| Never to hit that rock bottom no matter what happens ever again in my life. | ||
| It's just I'll never hit that again, bro. | ||
| It was like the worst of the worst, you know. | ||
| And... | ||
| It was just because that was the first time that it happened to you? | ||
| Because of the knockout and like numerous things in my life and the way that it was too, you know, because leading up to the first Usman fight, me and the UFC can't come to terms and agreement, right? | ||
| And I'm in great shape. | ||
| So the fight, six weeks out, gets cut out like, nah, we're not going to make it happen. | ||
| You know, I wanted more money on my pay-per-view, not on my guarantee, but I'm like, man, if I'm going to sell XYZ pay-per-views, fuck, bro, I want to get paid, you know? | ||
| And the fight gets cut off and then six days later they bring it to my face and now I'm not in shape. | ||
| Fucking 20 pounds heavier. | ||
| So I fucking, I go out there and I give it my best and I come up short and like that like sinks into me like fuck bro. | ||
| Did I do the right thing? | ||
| Maybe I should have taken a fucking slightly less pay cut and gone after the thing that I've always wanted the most, the fucking belt. | ||
| But I also wanted to get my my value and and in that I also got like a great deal with the UFC taking the fight in six day notice I was able to secure some great things for me and my family so it wasn't like a total loss but it was already like bro did I do the wrong thing and then for the second fight um me and Usman were supposed to coach Ultimate Fighter uh and it was supposed to be like somewhere in September October they were supposed to fight So the UFC's telling me, yeah, we're going to fight in September, October. | ||
| So I tell them, hey, I'm going to go do stem cells down in Colombia. | ||
| Here's all the paperwork. | ||
| Is this good for you guys? | ||
| Can I go do this? | ||
| Since I'm going to do this in September, there's not going to be no problems. | ||
| They're like, yeah, they're running through USADA. They check out with all the guys. | ||
| You're good because you're going to be coaching in September fighting by October, November. | ||
| Well, while I'm in Colombia, I get the call and say, hey, we're going to have the first live event, sporting event. | ||
| It's going to happen in Florida. | ||
| We want you to fucking be a part of it. | ||
| And I fucking... | ||
| I jumped on it. | ||
| I was like, man, last time I fought him on six-day notice, I did all right. | ||
| Now I'm getting, like, five weeks' notice. | ||
| It's not in September, October, how they told me, but fuck it. | ||
| I'm going to jump on it again. | ||
| And it didn't work out for me, man, you know? | ||
| So that sent me, like, into a fucking, like, bro, I shouldn't have took that fight. | ||
| I told myself after the first fight, I won't fight this guy again without ten weeks to prepare for him because that's what I need to prepare for this guy. | ||
| So I just went into like a fucking dark place and for a while and sometimes when you're in dark places addiction happens and fucking bad shit and now just more bad shit breathes bad shit and I'm hanging around in a circle and maybe I shouldn't be and it's just getting like worse and I always thank God man cause Fuck, I saw the light. | ||
| And I was like, this is not me. | ||
| I come from like a much worse environment where there was drug addicts around me. | ||
| Life wasn't promised to me. | ||
| A fucking $60,000 job was out of the question. | ||
| Now I'm here. | ||
| I've gained so much. | ||
| And I'm going to fucking let this shit beat me up. | ||
| So I went David Goggins on him. | ||
| I went Jordan Peterson on him. | ||
| Just like, I'm being a fucking bitch, dog. | ||
| And this is not overnight. | ||
| This is like way before the Gilbert fight. | ||
| I've been just fucking... | ||
| Training and training and putting in the time, especially in the areas where I'm not so great. | ||
| And now I feel like it's all been paying off, you know? | ||
| And I'm not looking past Gilbert, but I am going to make him a stepping stone example. | ||
| And I'm going to say now because it's what's going to happen. | ||
| And it's going to be a movie ending. | ||
| I'm going to go fight Leon after that and I'm going to fucking rip his head off, you know? | ||
| Not in person. | ||
| I know he can't stand me, but I give a fuck less about him. | ||
| I just want that belt, you know? | ||
| There is Colby and Dana has said that Colby is going to fight for the title. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| You know, Dane says a lot of things, man. | ||
| He does say a lot of things. | ||
| I love Dane Allen. | ||
| But, you know, now he's defended the belt against one of the best pound-for-pound guys. | ||
| Leon, I heard, is coming to Miami. | ||
| I just got to do my job. | ||
| He's coming to Miami this weekend? | ||
| Two weeks? | ||
| Yeah, I heard that he's going to be there, you know. | ||
| Didn't he say that he was going to Miami? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I would imagine he would want to be there. | ||
| Yeah, I heard in one of the interviews that he was coming to Miami, so I'm going to make sure I do my job and perform and fight and forget about all the other stuff. | ||
| I'm just going to go out there and take care of Gilbert and then let the chips fall where they may, you know? | ||
| What happened with you and Colby? | ||
| He's a bitch, bro. | ||
| He showed his true colors for the money, for the pay-per-view. | ||
| He'd talk about my kids, my family, to maybe sell extra pay-per-views. | ||
| And you were friends with him? | ||
| No, not friends. | ||
| I was fucking his everything. | ||
| His mentor. | ||
| I was already in Strikeforce. | ||
| I had competed against Gilbert Melendez. | ||
| I was an established pro when he came over to American Top Team. | ||
| I was living up at American Top Team. | ||
| I had an apartment over there for like about a year and change. | ||
| He broke his hand. | ||
| His girlfriend had fucking kicked him out of the place because he had given her fucking herpes and shit. | ||
| No, I'm dead ass serious. | ||
| So he had like nowhere to fucking live. | ||
| So he asked if he could crash on my couch. | ||
| I was like, yeah, fuck it, bro. | ||
| We're both on this journey together. | ||
| We train together. | ||
| We play poker together. | ||
| Fucking this and that. | ||
| So I basically fed this dude for a fucking year. | ||
| Lived on my couch. | ||
| Didn't give me a fucking dollar because he didn't have a job. | ||
| I had a fucking broken hand. | ||
| It's all documented. | ||
| It's all him on YouTube saying, Jorge Masvidal was my best friend. | ||
| If it wasn't for Jorge, I wouldn't be here. | ||
| And this and that. | ||
| And then, you know, I'm at 155. So then I come up to 170 and I start stealing a lot of money. | ||
| Not stealing, but I started getting a lot of shine from myself. | ||
| A lot of eyeballs started looking at me. | ||
| And immediately, instead of like, yeah, we're fucking boys. | ||
| We can fight or whatever the fuck. | ||
| He turns into something fucking ugly. | ||
| You know, like everything that I did for you, you're trying to use it against me. | ||
| Especially my kids. | ||
| He knows the relationship I have with my kids. | ||
| And you're trying to use that against me. | ||
| You're a fucking piece of shit. | ||
| But before all that happened, I already knew he wasn't a good person. | ||
| Because my... | ||
| My striking coach. | ||
| This is when we cut ties, me and him. | ||
| My striking coach trained him from his amateur all the way to his Rafael Dos Anos fight. | ||
| And he did a handshake deal with him. | ||
| 5% on your fights. | ||
| You know, if you make $1,000, you make $500,000. | ||
| 5% is what you're going to pay me because that's what Joel Romero pays me. | ||
| That's what Jorge Maciel pays me. | ||
| That's what all the guys that train with him pay him. | ||
| You know, and he's like... | ||
| Accessible at all times. | ||
| He will drive an hour this way, drive an hour back that way, and just give you all his knowledge. | ||
| And that's what he wanted, you know? | ||
| And they shook hands on it. | ||
| As soon as Kobe made money, what did he do? | ||
| Didn't pay my coach. | ||
| So since then, I was like, bro, I want to fucking take a bat to his fucking neck. | ||
| And my coach was like, don't do it, bro. | ||
| You'll fight him. | ||
| And that's how you'll get him for both of us, you know? | ||
| I didn't get him that time. | ||
| But I promise you, before my career's over, I'm going to fucking murder Kobe in the cage, legally. | ||
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Legally. | |
| Legally. | ||
| What happened illegally? | ||
| Allegedly, a lot of things happened. | ||
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Allegedly. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| They're saying a lot of things, but it's all allegedly, cuz. | ||
| Shit, man. | ||
| Allegedly is a great word. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know what they're talking about, man. | ||
| But legally, in the cage, in the UFC, I'm going to fucking snatch his soul one way or another. | ||
| And that's also something that, you know, losing a piece of shit like that. | ||
| You know, like, if you let somebody come in to you and you share something with me, like, man, something is very dear to me. | ||
| It's this moment where my mom, blah, blah, blah, and this and that. | ||
| And then I would use that because me and you had a falling out. | ||
| It really shows your fucking character. | ||
| Like, you're a fucking piece of shit, bro, you know? | ||
| And that's why nobody fucks with this guy. | ||
| Nobody fucks with this guy in any level, in any accord, you know? | ||
| Well, it's a crazy story. | ||
| Jon Jones can't stand him. | ||
| He had a very similar thing with Jon Jones. | ||
| He changed who he was when the UFC was about to cut him and he decided to become like a wrestling heel. | ||
| Shit on the whole country just for what? | ||
| It worked though. | ||
| I mean, the thing about it is it's kind of genius in the fact that it really did get people paying attention to him. | ||
| In a negative way, but you know, I feel that he could have just been beating people, put more time into the craft rather than Twitter and trying to copy other heels. | ||
| And it would have been fine. | ||
| Like, this guy just, oh, what is Conor doing today? | ||
| Let me go do that in a cheaper, shittier way, you know? | ||
| Like, be fucking you, bro. | ||
| You know, just fucking go out there and beat dudes up and say what you gotta say, and it'll come to you. | ||
| It took me a while to get here, you know? | ||
| I had to fucking knock out and beat numerous fucking people, actual champions, to get here, but it'll come. | ||
| You don't have to sell out for the fucking dollar, bro. | ||
| What was it like fighting him? | ||
| I wanted to fucking kill him. | ||
| I wanted to hurt him. | ||
| But it wasn't the best version of me, bro. | ||
| It just wasn't the best version of me. | ||
| And, you know, in this sport, this is what I love about it. | ||
| It's like what happened happened and everything else is bullshit, right? | ||
| So until we fight again, nobody will get to see that better version of me. | ||
| But I promise you, Joe, before I close this chapter in my life in MMA, I will have competed against this guy. | ||
| I'm going to fucking take his soul, bro. | ||
| I just know it after being those five rounds in there with him. | ||
| And that was the best that he had, and that was nowhere near my best at that time for different reasons. | ||
| I knew I could fucking end this guy. | ||
| What if the UFC comes to you and says, you versus Colby, winner for the title? | ||
| Do you think that's a possible scenario? | ||
| That's definitely a possible scenario. | ||
| And I would love that because I'd stop him from his dream of fighting for that title. | ||
| If you could somehow or another shock the world in a way with this Gilbert fight, where it's just undeniable, where people just get so fired up about it, And then he starts jabbing because he thinks that somehow or another you're going to take that title shot from him. | ||
| That would be the scenario that I could see. | ||
| Then I would take the title shot from him, you know? | ||
| And I'd go fight Leon. | ||
| And since the start of it, I said this from a technical aspect, like I find nothing but wrestler after wrestler after wrestler after wrestler. | ||
| So it's like, I said it numerous times in interviews, I want to fight guys that are a little bit more favorable for my style while I work on my wrestling. | ||
| It's not that I'm putting wrestling to the back burner, but while I'm learning techniques, I'm flying in different coaches across the country just to come wrestle with me, work from the basics, work from zero All the way up. | ||
| And that's what I've been doing the last six months. | ||
| Just like bringing in phenomenal... | ||
| Bo Nickel's dad, Jason Nickel, came out with like six weeks just helping me out. | ||
| And this is a guy that Bo Nickel gives a ton of credit to. | ||
| He's like, man, my dad literally showed me 80% of my game, bro. | ||
| Like get with him and see what he could do. | ||
| And it just so happens that he was in Florida. | ||
| He was coming out of Florida. | ||
| So I got to work with him a fucking ton, you know? | ||
| And I just got to learn like stuff like from a basic level because I skipped high school wrestling, you know? | ||
| I didn't go to college wrestling. | ||
| There's a lot of little... | ||
| Chink's a mistake. | ||
| My mind is not weak. | ||
| I might get beat, but it's not because my will wasn't questioning nothing. | ||
| It's because, alright, you're better in that position. | ||
| You're more efficient in that position. | ||
| Let me fix him up. | ||
| Especially in wrestling. | ||
| If you've got the heart and determination, the grit to just keep coming after, I can fix these mistakes. | ||
| That's all I've been doing these last six to eight months. | ||
| And when I get in there with Gil, he's going to fucking feel it right away, bro. | ||
| You're not getting a takedown on me no matter what happens, brother. | ||
| The thing about the Kobe fight was Kobe is a very good wrestler. | ||
| And he has a good gas tank, and he's a fucking leech. | ||
| You know, that collegiate style, one thing that they could, you know, you could see from any of those guys is they could fucking dig down deep and get, like, a takedown when they're tired. | ||
| They're good at putting themselves at bad spots and scoring. | ||
| And also, not to, like, fucking make excuses, but I also do think that the rules are favored heavily towards, like, a grappler wrestling type. | ||
| Because if you're on your knees sniffing crotches, I should be able to fucking knee you in the face. | ||
| Like, what is this bullshit that I can't... | ||
| If a guy's like this... | ||
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Right. | |
| And he has 350 matches and he's used to scoring here. | ||
| And I can't punch in the back of the head. | ||
| I can't even punch in the bottom because your face is down. | ||
| The only thing logically I can do is knee you with the other knee. | ||
| You're not grabbing. | ||
| But they don't let us do that. | ||
| So a lot of the rules, I think, favor grappling in certain departments. | ||
| It's not to make an excuse. | ||
| It's the truth because a fight is a fight. | ||
| If you're grabbing, if you're trying to suck in my leg... | ||
| Why can't I fucking use it as a knee? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I'll give it to you and fucking knee you in the jaw. | ||
| You're gonna fucking turtle up real quick. | ||
| You're gonna shut up or they're gonna drop guard, you know? | ||
| I agree with that 100%. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of things that it kind of leans towards wrestling. | ||
| The downed opponent thing where you can touch one hand down. | ||
| I know they've changed that in some places. | ||
| But there's other places that still consider one hand a downed opponent. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense, and it does favor the grappler. | ||
| It's also unrealistic. | ||
| Unrealistic. | ||
| Like, if the guy is on the ground, like, I think you should be able to knee him in the head. | ||
| I mean, you see it in 1FC, you see it in a lot of other places. | ||
| That's a legitimate position. | ||
| And don't be in that position then, because it's the way the fight's going to get stopped. | ||
| How many times do you see a guy that's been wrestling, could be in that position, dead tired out of his mind, shoots a horrible shot, gets on his knees and stays there for like 20 seconds, catches his breath, and then gets back up and finishes. | ||
| He's more skilled, he's more efficient there, yes, but it's not realistic. | ||
| Like you said, in a real fight, you'd get your fucking eye orbital crushed in, you know? | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And you would never stay in that position. | ||
| You wouldn't. | ||
| You would know there's danger in that position. | ||
| Just like every other position. | ||
| If we're looking at it as the art of fighting, and this is what the sport is. | ||
| The sport is as close to real fighting as you can get. | ||
| There's no way you should be able to do that. | ||
| There's no way you should be able to be on your knees, working for a takedown, and not get knee in the face. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| You're vulnerable. | ||
| That's like, don't do that because of the vulnerability. | ||
| But there's other positions where you don't do something because of the vulnerability and you get hit. | ||
| In that one, We shield the wrestler from that potential situation of getting kneed in the face. | ||
| It doesn't make sense either. | ||
| It would just change a lot of outcomes of fights if that gets instituted. | ||
| Overnight, we'd see a swing in wrestling, holding dominance in MMA a lot. | ||
| It would even out the playing field a lot in overnight. | ||
| I don't even know if we should stop hitting people in the back of the head. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense to me because there's a lot of knockouts, like high kicks, they wrap around the back of the shoulder and they go right to the back of your head and it's legal. | ||
| And the guy gets KO'd. | ||
| And there's a lot of times where a guy's fucking halfway knocked out. | ||
| And, you know, perfect example, Dustin Poirier versus Conor. | ||
| He hit him like three times in the back of the head solid. | ||
| Then he goes limp. | ||
| It's like, what the fuck? | ||
| Is that the referee's discretion now? | ||
| Who could hit in the back of the head and who can't? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| In wild exchanges and scrambles, like Cyril Gan and Junior Dos Santos. | ||
| He kind of hit him with an elbow in the back of the head. | ||
| It's like, it should be legal. | ||
| I don't understand why it's not legal. | ||
| And people say you're more vulnerable there. | ||
| Well, don't fucking get hit there. | ||
| You know, Eddie Bravo's talked about this all the time. | ||
| The old days of MMA, when a guy got someone's back... | ||
| They would just drop elbows down on his head. | ||
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| Back of the head. | ||
| If you have your back and the head is there, all this punching just to the side is not realistic. | ||
| The back of the head with elbows. | ||
| Just one of them. | ||
| And they say it's more dangerous, but... | ||
| It also opens you up to get away as well. | ||
| It causes more action. | ||
| So now if you're... | ||
| Cocking back and you hit me once in the back of the head and you cock back again, I might do like a somersault to get away from me. | ||
| I might go for a leg. | ||
| I might do something to get away there and you're giving me the space. | ||
| It would only bring more action. | ||
| Yeah, it would bring more action and also more realistic because you realize you can't just lie flat on your back. | ||
| You're fucked. | ||
| Like, you better protect the back of your neck because it's very, very vulnerable. | ||
| So guys would have to, when they lie on the back or lie on their stomach, they have to protect their fucking head. | ||
| And then they would have to try to roll. | ||
| They would have to do something to get out of that position. | ||
| Instead of just realizing that you can kind of hold there and cover the sides of your faces because you could leave the back of your head exposed. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure if you talk to a neuroscientist, they say that's a particularly vulnerable area. | ||
| Fuck man, isn't the temple? | ||
| Aren't the eyes? | ||
| Everything is so vulnerable and all those illegal. | ||
| You could elbow a dude in the fucking eye socket. | ||
| 100% legal. | ||
| So explain to me why the back of the head is so much more vulnerable. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| In theory, somebody could fucking knee you in the ribs, breaks your rib, and your rib punctures your lung. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| There's so many vulnerabilities. | ||
| There's so many things that are legal, like the sidekick to the knee. | ||
| I mean, the sidekick to the knee is a crazy move. | ||
| It's like you have the potential to ruin. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that was always a gray area. | ||
| It's illegal. | ||
| And then some guys, they get away with it. | ||
| And then other guys, they wouldn't. | ||
| And now everybody could do it. | ||
| But for a long time, sidekick in the knee was fucking illegal. | ||
| How long was it illegal for? | ||
| When did it become legal? | ||
| Man, I remember this much. | ||
| When I was fighting Gilbert Melendez, I was doing something like that, like some tie tips to the leg, and the referee called my attention on the second one. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, Gilbert said something like, the referee called my attention immediately. | ||
| So it was a very great area. | ||
| So this is Strikeforce? | ||
| This is Strikeforce, you know? | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, and I was like, yeah, okay, that's fucking weird. | ||
| Yeah, it is fucking weird, because, you know, I talked to Eddie Bravo about that, and Eddie's like, well, why, you know, if that's illegal, then why is a heel hook legal? | ||
| Because if you get a guy like Paul Harris, like, who's tomorrow Paul Harris, who would just rip your fucking shit apart and not let go? | ||
| Yeah, he's like, fucking dog on the board. | ||
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| Oh, my God. | ||
| So here's Khalil Roundtree. | ||
| That was the worst one I ever saw. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That was against Bukakis. | ||
| And he just side-kicked his knee into oblivion. | ||
| It was horrible. | ||
| And Khalil can fucking kick. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| Rountree vs. | ||
| Eric Anders is like one of my all-time favorite performances. | ||
| Yeah, he came out straight tie, right? | ||
| Oh, straight tie! | ||
| I mean, me and DC were going crazy. | ||
| Like, look at him! | ||
| Because he had lost to Johnny Walker and then said, you know what? | ||
| I gotta learn elbows in the clinch. | ||
| I gotta learn Thai fighting and went to Thailand and just fell in love with Muay Thai. | ||
| He came back with teeps and low kicks and middle kicks and high kicks. | ||
| Picked it up rather quick. | ||
| Khalil Rauchy's so goddamn talented. | ||
| He's a guy that gets focused and not focused. | ||
| It's been around a long time. | ||
| He used to train at Vanderlei's gym, when Vanderlei had that gym in Vegas. | ||
| He says wild stories about that gym. | ||
| They would just fight. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Fucking fight. | ||
| Old-school, Curitiba, Chutabak style. | ||
| Just wail on each other. | ||
| Not just to plug in my promotion for bare knuckle fighting, but I love bare knuckle fighting because the grappling also feels like a little bit more realistic with no glove. | ||
| You know, like for some mission guys, it's a little bit more like they got that grip. | ||
| They take the back, the rear naked is like a little bit easier to hold. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm a big component also for, you know, just tape the hands up and fucking go, you know, and it serves strikers and grapplers, you know? | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And I think it also gives people a much more realistic sense of what you could do with your hands. | ||
| Because if you just tee off and throw wild punches and hit guys in the head, you're gonna break your fucking hand. | ||
| It happens all the time. | ||
| You have to be much more precise in the placement of your hands. | ||
| And it's never made any sense to me that why your hands are wrapped up and taped and padded, but your elbows aren't? | ||
| Your shins aren't? | ||
| Your knees aren't? | ||
| Crazy! | ||
| Crazy, right? | ||
| Like, sheer bone to bone. | ||
| Because this, in power, not even that, you know, like, the cuts and all that, in just sheer power, the elbow's closer to your body, which is generating the power, so you know the elbow's gonna be strong. | ||
| The knee's closer to your body, so you know it's generating more power than the punch, you know? | ||
| That's why in Thai boxing, they have boxing is, like, the least ranking for the points, you know? | ||
| You kick somebody in the arm, it's almost more meaningful to them than getting punched in the face, you know? | ||
| Because the kick is a fucking kick, man. | ||
| It's a baseball bat to your fucking arm. | ||
| Oh, especially the way those guys throw them. | ||
| I mean, it's just... | ||
| I don't know why we insist on... | ||
| I mean, the one thing, it would be cuts. | ||
| Like, guys would get cut. | ||
| Like, you see bare-knuckle boxing. | ||
| Guys get cut up left and right. | ||
| Left and right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are you gonna do bare-knuckle MMA? Are you gonna do a promotion with that? | ||
| No, I have a promotion. | ||
| Is it bare-knuckle MMA? We've put on like four or five shows already. | ||
| So I thought it was bare-knuckle boxing. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| MMA, MMA. Oh, shit. | ||
| You got any highlights? | ||
| Let me see some of this. | ||
| Yeah, we got some highlights up on YouTube. | ||
| You can go to the YouTube page. | ||
| So here it is. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So this is your promotion? | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, so I agree with that. | ||
| I really feel like that's the... | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| This is Alex Nichols. | ||
| He's a fucking madman, too, bro. | ||
| I've always felt two things should change, that bare knuckle was the way to go, and then two, no cage. | ||
| I've been saying forever, like, if you could play football in a big field, why can't you fight in a big field? | ||
| If you could play basketball in a big court, why can't you fight in a big court where you can't just hold someone against a cage? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's none of that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There's got to be a way to not have a cage. | ||
| But we have to have some type of... | ||
| Boundary. | ||
| Yeah, you can't run away from it for every reason. | ||
| But definitely, I do feel in that. | ||
| Just actually explore with it, see what we can do with that. | ||
| Yeah, take away this additional variable. | ||
| Because there's a variable when your back is up against a cage and someone's pressed you here. | ||
| That shouldn't be there. | ||
| In a natural world... | ||
| With no cage, you're spinning away from it. | ||
| And also, if a guy takes you down, there's no cage to wall walk. | ||
| There's all sorts of variables that you introduce. | ||
| And also, it's easier to see. | ||
| Sometimes, even when I'm as close as anybody gets to the fights, and sometimes I have to look at the monitor, because I can't see shit. | ||
| Yeah, there's polls on your way there, the freaking... | ||
| where the advertisement's at. | ||
| It's another variable that takes away from the sport in some way. | ||
| I feel like just a fucking big open space where you have to... | ||
| Like an empty pool or something? | ||
| Like a huge empty pool? | ||
| Like a blood sport? | ||
| But even in the pool, people would push you up against the side of the pool. | ||
| I feel like Frank Shamrock did a thing for a while where he had a flat surface and it was curved up in the end like world combat fighting. | ||
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| Like Chuck Norris' thing that he had. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Have you seen the karate combat? | ||
| Yes, they do it. | ||
| Yeah, Bas Rudin's thing. | ||
| Yeah, they do it like that too. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Yeah, the set is fucking also beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty dope. | ||
| That's Bas Rudin's thing? | ||
| Yeah, Boss Root was the commentator on that. | ||
| Wow, the fuck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, I thought you meant, like, he made the... | ||
| I think he's a part of it in some way. | ||
| He's fucking awesome. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's always been an innovator. | ||
| He moved out here, too. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
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| He's always a long-time LA boy, man. | ||
| That's crazy, man. | ||
| Yeah, he's like, fuck this place. | ||
| He's a fucking legend, too, bro. | ||
| He's an animal. | ||
| I love that guy. | ||
| Yeah, bro. | ||
| He's one of the dudes I used to look at, because I would always, like, gravitate, obviously, to whoever was a champion near my weight class, but, like, great strikers, I just fucking would fucking... | ||
| Soak it up, just like, what is this guy doing? | ||
| How did he land that kick over and over? | ||
| What little setups is he doing, you know? | ||
| So I'd always digest a lot of these fucking great strikers, especially if they came from a great striking background and then translated into MMA, just to like, what are they doing to be able to fucking stay afloat with these grapplers or wrestlers, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, Bas came into MMA at a time where there weren't strikers like him yet. | ||
| No. | ||
| And he was the most elite striker at his time, for sure. | ||
| And he was fucking people up. | ||
| When he fought Teyoshi Kosaka, like, woo! | ||
| Like, if you couldn't take that guy down, fucking good, bro. | ||
| Tree trunks of legs, elbows, knees. | ||
| Power! | ||
| Everything was power. | ||
| Everything was fucking... | ||
| That Dutch kickboxing style. | ||
| Power! | ||
| He's one of my favorite, bro. | ||
| Those fucking Dutchess go at it, my brother. | ||
| I mean, think about Holland, the amount of killers. | ||
| Ernesto Hoost, Peter Ertz, I mean, Remy Bonjowski, like, so many fucking assassins, Semmy Schilt. | ||
| Everybody came from Holland. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Badr Hari. | ||
| Melvin Manhoof. | ||
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| Tyrone Spong. | ||
| Yeah, so many guys came from that area. | ||
| So many guys came from that style of fighting. | ||
| The French do pretty good, too, with the Thai. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| There's a lot of good Thai guys as well. | ||
| Yes, definitely. | ||
| England as well. | ||
| Yes, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cedric Dube. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Woo, that motherfucker. | ||
| He's a bad man. | ||
| It's getting closer because it used to be just like... | ||
| I still believe in kickboxing. | ||
| Kickboxing in Holland is like fucking one of the best, best. | ||
| But like in Thai boxing and stuff, you know, like France is pretty fucking good, man. | ||
| They got some killers, bro. | ||
| Yes, they do. | ||
| They've embraced it. | ||
| It's interesting how Europeans embraced Thai fighting much earlier. | ||
| And I never understood why Thai boxing never became huge in America. | ||
| I didn't understand it. | ||
| I think boxing promoters just shut it out straight up, to be honest with you. | ||
| I guess, but why is no—I mean, look, think about what the UFC has done with slap fighting, which is not really my thing. | ||
| But Muay Thai, I feel like, is more marketable. | ||
| You get like elite Joe Schilling type strikers and have like Glory did. | ||
| Glory is wild. | ||
| I fucking love Glory. | ||
| I just don't understand why it didn't become more popular. | ||
| And the only thing that makes sense to me was it wasn't promoted correctly. | ||
| But if you got a big promotion like the UFC's promotion machine behind world-class kickboxing, I think it could be as big as MMA. I think it could be as big as pro boxing. | ||
| It's just be action-packed. | ||
| Three-second clinch, break, boom, go back at it again. | ||
| I mean, it's what people like to watch. | ||
| People like to watch striking. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of casual fans. | ||
| Look, I love jujitsu, obviously, but there's something about elite striking that translates to anybody and everybody. | ||
| You don't have to know anything. | ||
| You watch a dude get kicked in the face, you know exactly what happened. | ||
| Yeah, I mean and you see these guys and you see how 1FC is doing it I think 1FC is doing it in an amazing way. | ||
| They have guys like Nicky Holtzkin and Urso and oh my god Nicky's another guy that's been in there forever since. | ||
| He fought bull cow when he was like 19. Oh, he's a fucking murderer. | ||
| In the K-1 back then bro, he was fighting the world's best and now you look at him he's still fighting the world's best and Dogging him at times. | ||
| Fucking people up, man. | ||
| And, you know, when he was in Glory, when he was a Glory champion, I mean, my God. | ||
| You just don't see that popularity in America. | ||
| And I know Glory tried for a while. | ||
| I think the boxing promoters just shut it out, man. | ||
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How? | |
| I really feel like the UFC could have done that. | ||
| And I feel like maybe if the slap fighting thing doesn't work out, maybe the UFC could do that. | ||
| Because I think in that, you really have the potential for a whole new avenue of sport. | ||
| It's so accessible, so obvious to watch. | ||
| It's so fun. | ||
| There's so much talent. | ||
| And those guys are fighting for pennies, bro. | ||
| You start offering them some real checks. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Yes, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Have some elite fighters over here that are fighting for millions? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| You don't hear about that in kickboxing. | ||
| You know, maybe Glory paying out one particular individual hundreds of thousands of dollars, but you don't hear about million dollar paychecks ever for Thai boxing, for kickboxing, ever. | ||
| Look, I mean, it hit the glory days in K-1 in Japan. | ||
| K-1 in Japan, the Mark Hunt days. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Those fights were fucking incredible. | ||
| Those were amazing times. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Jerome LeBanner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Amazing times. | ||
| That guy looked like right out of a fucking movie, bro. | ||
| And those motherfuckers knocked each other out all the time. | ||
| And that's what I love, because they would just keep fighting each other. | ||
| It wasn't like, oh, I beat this guy, I'm never gonna fight him. | ||
| He was like, no, we fight each other three, four times. | ||
| How it is, if you're the best, fight the best. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, and it's so, I just don't understand. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It's not like it's a bad product. | ||
| Running through everybody. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Teeping people in the fucking face all the way to the finals, bro. | ||
| Oh, that left kick. | ||
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Oh, what? | |
| We grew up on the same shit. | ||
| It was not no party, not no girl. | ||
| When it was like K1 or Pride was on, nothing mattered. | ||
| Just stuck on stupid, bro. | ||
| I watched paint dry all fucking day when it came to that shit. | ||
| It was just fucking everything, bro. | ||
| And the fights were fucking incredible. | ||
| To this day, if you go back and watch, like, Mr. Perfect, when Ernesto was in his prime, and he would throw that left hook to the body and that right low kick, my God. | ||
| And you've seen all the tape. | ||
| You've seen 100 fights. | ||
| He's going to low kick you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's going to throw a left hook. | ||
| But you're not going to stop it, bro. | ||
| You're not going to stop it. | ||
| The timing, the setup, the everything. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| This is crazy with the Bob Sapp fights, right? | ||
| I know. | ||
| Bob was too big. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Bob was too big! | ||
| But then Crow Cop got him, handled him, and Ernesto always handled Crow Cop like three different times. | ||
| So it was just like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| Well, Crow Cop broke his eyeball with one punch. | ||
| He caught him with that straight lap. | ||
| Crow Cop, he translated so well to MMA because he was so explosive. | ||
| Like, Crow Cop was so fast and so explosive. | ||
| He must have been a strong guy, too, because he got in there with some grapplers and he could fucking fend them off. | ||
| He must have just naturally been like a sturdy motherfucker. | ||
| Oh, he was strong as fuck. | ||
| And then it's crazy. | ||
| He gets killed by Gonzalo, right? | ||
| I know. | ||
| And he got cro-copped. | ||
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Fuck. | |
| He basically got cro-copped. | ||
| But Gonzaga worked him over so bad before that. | ||
| Elbowed the shit out of him on the ground. | ||
| I think he was already loopy by the time he got up. | ||
| But still crazy that that's the technique you've been landing on everybody and somebody caught you with it. | ||
| And that somebody's not like a decorate. | ||
| In a kickboxing match, you know he couldn't even hold Cro-Cop's jockstrap. | ||
| But in a fight, anything can happen, bro. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That was a crazy kick, too. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Shin to the dome. | ||
| And to see Krokop fold and go out like that, I was like, oh my god. | ||
| It looked like he destroyed his knee on the way down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| New ACLs needed, though. | ||
| Yeah, I just don't understand why no one's figured out how to do it right. | ||
| It just makes sense. | ||
| I mean, the fact that the UFC is involved in the slap fighting thing, which is like, I guess, easy to promote because it's easy to watch, but is it any more easy than kickboxing? | ||
| And kickboxing makes more sense to me. | ||
| It's like it feels... | ||
| It fits in to combat sports. | ||
| What's more martial art-ish, it's more like strategy-oriented athlete versus athlete. | ||
| Solving puzzles. | ||
| Seven, eight years old, they're already in the fucking gym giving it all the guys. | ||
| And if we're talking about Thai guys, they're 20 years old and they're at 250 fights. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Why not, right? | ||
| Yeah, I don't get it. | ||
| I mean, just to me, it's one of the great mysteries of combat sports why Muay Thai hasn't become more famous in America. | ||
| Because it's fucking exciting. | ||
| Like when 1FC puts on those Muay Thai fights, like Jesus Christ, man, they're some of the most exciting fights. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Especially like the Mighty Mouse crossover versus Ra-Tang. | ||
| I short-circuit every time. | ||
| It's like, fucking, I'm foaming at the mouth. | ||
| I have to see, what, one round's gonna be all striking? | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| Another round's gonna be everything involved? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I fucking lose my mind. | ||
| And hats off to Mighty Mouse for doing that, because Raw Tang is not a guy I want to get in front of, bro. | ||
| That guy's fucking good, man. | ||
| He's fucking good. | ||
| That just shows you, everybody can have their favorite of all time. | ||
| I think on a technical level, Mighty Mouse. | ||
| Might be hands down the best fighter I've ever seen. | ||
| I think on a tactical level, you're correct. | ||
| I think on an accomplishment level, it's Jon Jones. | ||
| Because I think Jon Jones fought tougher guys. | ||
| I think Mighty Mouse was running through everybody, but other than Cejudo and Benavidez and a couple other guys, they weren't really on his level. | ||
| But also the way he beat, Mighty Mouse beat guys like Armbar and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt world champions. | ||
| Legitimate. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| I have the armbar that legitimately won a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu world champion. | ||
| Is that Wilson? | ||
| Wilson Hayes? | ||
| Yes, bro. | ||
| And he's a legit, like, not some bullshit overnight company. | ||
| No, he's a legit world champion. | ||
| And for you to armbar that guy, like, Fuck, bro. | ||
| Your technique is so on point. | ||
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Your time is so on point. | |
| He can do it all. | ||
| He can do it all. | ||
| And what a nice guy. | ||
| Just sucks. | ||
| He's 125. I know. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| He's 5'3. | ||
| Fights at 125. Because he was finishing guys, too, bro. | ||
| And just excitement from the thing. | ||
| Like, when I do a checklist, right? | ||
| Like, can this guy throw a body kick? | ||
| Can this guy throw a left hook? | ||
| Does he have good defense? | ||
| He, like, checks off on all the boxes. | ||
| All the boxes. | ||
| And the footwork and the movement and the speed and the execution. | ||
| And doing this is never a question. | ||
| Never. | ||
| Never a question. | ||
| And the thing about those light guys is it's all technique. | ||
| Because, like, they can go and go and go. | ||
| So you get to see the purest version of technique. | ||
| Those engines are just different at 25-35. | ||
| It's interesting, though. | ||
| Here's one with Ray Borg. | ||
| That's a different one, but that one's pretty fucking extraordinary, too. | ||
| That's a fucking... | ||
| The fact that he took him down with a suplex and then armbarred the shit out of him. | ||
| Yeah, he was... | ||
| And this was, like, in the fourth or fifth round. | ||
| So the energy that he still has pumping at that stage, bro. | ||
| What's incredible to me is that 25 never got much attention, but 35 gets a lot of attention. | ||
| It's only 10 pounds more. | ||
| It's kind of crazy. | ||
| 35 has been this chaotic, very hyped-up weight class, but other than Brandon Moreno, he gets so much love from the Mexicans, obviously, and then Davidson Figueredo, who they fought four fucking times. | ||
| Other than those fights, there's not a lot of hype at that featherweight division. | ||
| Well, for us, because we were like hardcore, maybe like Sahuda versus Mighty Mouse. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Some of the better ones. | ||
| And the second fight, you know, it was close, man. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We could have given the Mighty Mouse to me. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It was a very close fight. | ||
| It was a very close fight. | ||
| So it was like, those were maybe the, that I could think of like the more evenly matched, contested, great fights at 125. I'm very interested to see what happens when Cejudo comes back and fights Aljamain. | ||
| Yeah, that's happening efficiently. | ||
| I think Cejudo's another one of these greats of all time, bro. | ||
| He could do it all. | ||
| He could do it all. | ||
| Olympic gold medalist in wrestling. | ||
| Fantastic striker. | ||
| I don't see many people being able to take him down. | ||
| Right, and that's the problem is Aljamain's biggest strength is his grappling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So when is this one? | ||
| May 8th, Newark, New Jersey. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| But is the size going to play a difference? | ||
| Maybe, you know, he could get to like some battle. | ||
| Aljamain's a big fella. | ||
| He's a big... | ||
| He could get to some tough spots and put like a body triangle and say, who done, then who knows, right? | ||
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But... | |
| Well, he's as big as you get for 135 and he's ripped. | ||
| Crazy wingspan arms. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just, I think, on the feet, I think Cejudo has an advantage. | ||
| The power. | ||
| The power that nobody at 25 and 35 has, Cejudo generates it, bro. | ||
| Well, when he went through Dominic Cruz like that, I was like, oh my God. | ||
| Just smashing those legs. | ||
| Smashing those legs and stops him and beats him up. | ||
| I mean, that was pretty fucking extraordinary. | ||
| Pretty fucking extraordinary. | ||
| That whole weight class is filled with assassins. | ||
| You got Chito Vera this weekend versus Sanhagen. | ||
| Chito Vera's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| The way he KO'd Dominic was wild. | ||
| That's this weekend, kids. | ||
| That's a big one. | ||
| Great calf kicks. | ||
| It's right down the street, too. | ||
| Good jiu-jitsu. | ||
| Good defensive wrestling. | ||
| And the motherfucker is so disciplined. | ||
| Chito's so disciplined. | ||
| I mean, every day he's putting in long miles, hard training, keeps getting better, focused, eyes on the prize. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Sam Hagen's like this new breed that he's good everywhere. | ||
| He's good everywhere. | ||
| Flying knees. | ||
| The way he did Frankie, I was surprised. | ||
| I was like, fuck, bro. | ||
| This dude is beyond the truth. | ||
| He's legit, bro. | ||
| He's gonna be here for a minute, bro. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He's very legit. | ||
| And, you know, a guy like that benefits so much from being in that shark tank of a division. | ||
| Sugar, Sean O'Malley and... | ||
| Aljamain and Piotr Jan, and how about Marab? | ||
| Davishwali, the way he fucking ran through Piotr, I was like, holy fucking shit. | ||
| I'm a huge, humongous Piotr fan. | ||
| Got to see him at the gym for one of his camps. | ||
| He came in for like eight weeks. | ||
| Just his work ethic, his meanness, his toughness. | ||
| Sort of seen Medaba do that to him. | ||
| Marab is a motherfucker. | ||
| He is a motherfucker, man. | ||
| That guy does not get tired. | ||
| What's going on there? | ||
| That's a guy that's like, you've seen that documentary, 14 Peaks? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Nims die. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've had him on the podcast. | ||
| That's like... | ||
| The mind. | ||
| The lungs. | ||
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| No, the lungs, too. | ||
| Like, you just know he's born with something a little different in the gas tank. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's a little mutated there, you know? | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| How many attempts did he put up? | ||
| Forty-fucking-eight takedown at times? | ||
| Yeah, never stopped. | ||
| And he's just going for them. | ||
| He's punching, kicking, punching, kicking until he hits exhaustion. | ||
| Then he shoots him for the takedown, and he's... | ||
| It's kind of like he's making guys fight at the E level just like him, you know? | ||
| But he functions better on E, so he's just not giving you a break, punch, kick, shoot, punch, kick, shoot, shoot, shoot. | ||
| And he's tired, but the other guy's way more fucking tired. | ||
| He's also got that immigrant mentality. | ||
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Oh yeah. | |
| You know what Joey Diaz calls the immigrant mentality. | ||
| It's like something about that dude. | ||
| He's hungry. | ||
| There's a video of him when he was working a construction job when he had to break down walls. | ||
| He's throwing spinning back kicks into walls to break them down. | ||
| So he's fucking around while he's working. | ||
| And working a full-time job and still competing as an elite fighter. | ||
| And now that he's, you know, at the top of the heap and he's in line for a title shot. | ||
| I mean, the problem is if Aljamain beats Henry. | ||
| They won't fight, right? | ||
| They won't fight. | ||
| They love each other. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But Aljamain might go up to 45 anyway. | ||
| He hates cutting that weight. | ||
| Sejudo versus... | ||
| Marab. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Well, because you're talking about one of our best wrestlers going against this fucking... | ||
| You know, which he's naturally bigger and... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Definitely naturally bigger than Sejudo, but Sejudo has a fucking skill set. | ||
| He also is the game plan master. | ||
| You know, I talked to Mighty Mouse about him and Mighty Mouse did some training down there and he said he's never met a dude who's more meticulous about his training and what he's trying to accomplish and how he has all his goals aligned. | ||
| He's like, it was very inspirational. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shout out to Sahuda, bro. | ||
| There's so many good fights coming up, man. | ||
| I mean, and if he beats Aljamain Sterling, I don't care what you say. | ||
| You got to rank Sahuda up there on MMA, Mount Rushmore, bro. | ||
| Oh, 100%. | ||
| I think he's already there. | ||
| And if he goes and fights Volkanovski like he's been saying for years? | ||
| That would be If he was to beat Volkanovski, I think he'd be the greatest fighter maybe in my generation. | ||
| He would be the first guy to win three titles in three different weight classes. | ||
| And an Olympic gold medal. | ||
| And an Olympic gold medal. | ||
| If he beats Al Jermaine and then goes up to 45 with Volkanovski, holy fuck. | ||
| But Volkanovski's got to get past Yair Rodriguez. | ||
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Yes! | |
| Woo! | ||
| Wow! | ||
| I remember, you know, I watch all the fighters, like the Latin fighters, I actually like to watch him cheer him on, you know? | ||
| And like, I remember him coming in, like the wrestling wasn't there, submissions quite weren't there, you know, this and that. | ||
| To see the last four years of transformation that he's fucking done. | ||
| And, um, shout out to his company, Upper Management. | ||
| I know a lot of those guys well, so I know how he trains. | ||
| He goes to elevation of like 12,000 fucking feet in this Mexican like Aztec temple where they used to do like ceremonies, sacrifice, all this crazy shit. | ||
| Like you gotta ask. | ||
| I hear where he goes. | ||
| I've seen the videos, pictures. | ||
| It trains up there. | ||
| Like it's 12,000 fucking feet of nothing up there. | ||
| You can't have a phone there, nothing. | ||
| It's like sacred ground. | ||
| So he just brings his camp. | ||
| He locks himself over like 8-10 weeks. | ||
| And I'm not exaggerating to you in any way, shape or form. | ||
| That's all he fucking does. | ||
| And he's been doing that for his last 5-6 fights. | ||
| And bro, it's paying fucking so much dividends. | ||
| Like he's a different guy, you know? | ||
| And he's got a good style, I think, for Volkanovski. | ||
| The range, the speed, the kicks, the wildness, the fucking weird elbows, you know? | ||
| Creativity. | ||
| And he's long, and he's, like, fucking... | ||
| I've worked out with him. | ||
| He has this wiry strength where, at the beginning, he didn't know wrestling, so he was getting beat out in these positions. | ||
| He's with a great coach, Izzy. | ||
| Izzy's style wrestling. | ||
| And, man, this fucking dude is, like, crazy genetic, like, with his, like, strength level for wiriness. | ||
| He's fucking very gifted, you know? | ||
| Mix that in there with a striking, I think it's gonna be a fucking amazing fight. | ||
| Or him versus Cejudo would be another fucking short-circuiting fucking thing. | ||
| That would be insane. | ||
| Well, I was very impressed with him when he fought Max Holloway. | ||
| Because I was like, look, Max Holloway in that fight was in his prime, and that was a very, very close fight. | ||
| And he was fucking Max legs up. | ||
| And Max is one of my favorite of all time. | ||
| One of my favorite of all time. | ||
| Max is the man. | ||
| He's the man. | ||
| He's such a good dude, too. | ||
| He's such a fun guy. | ||
| And he's a fucking fighter. | ||
| He's a fucking fighter. | ||
| He's a fucking fighter, bro. | ||
| That's a bad motherfucker right there. | ||
| When he fucked Calvin Cater and he's like talking shit the whole time, he's like, I'm the best boxer in the UFC. He's like talking to the guys and people throwing punches at him. | ||
| And Calvin's throwing punches at him. | ||
| He's just sliding out of the way. | ||
| And Calvin's no fucking slouch, bro. | ||
| I think that kid's a beast, bro. | ||
| He's going to be around for a minute, bro. | ||
| I won't be surprised that guy gets a title later on down the road, bro. | ||
| Yeah, if he can learn from those fights, for sure, and continue to keep improving. | ||
| What a division. | ||
| That 45-pound division is crazy. | ||
| 45, 55, 70, it's always fucking... | ||
| Yeah, there's so much going. | ||
| Look at it. | ||
| He's just talking shit to him, and Calvin's like, what? | ||
| The gas tank. | ||
| Look at him, like, moving around, talking. | ||
| I'm the best boxer. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| That was an amazing fight. | ||
| And, you know, when you watch his fight with Yair, I re-watched that a couple of months ago, and I was just, like, Yair is the most dynamic kicker in the sport. | ||
| He's so wild. | ||
| Like, the stuff that he does, he's throwing wheel kicks, and he hit, yeah, he hit BJ Penn with a 360 roundhouse kick. | ||
| 360 roundhouse kick in a fucking MMA fight to the face. | ||
| I was like, he can do wild shit, and he can submit people. | ||
| And when he beat Josh with a triangle off of his back, I was like, God damn. | ||
| That's what I'm telling you. | ||
| I worked out with him, and I usually work out with 70-pounders, 85-pounders, a couple 55-pounders here at American Top Team. | ||
| Then we got some standouts. | ||
| Grant Dawson, which is like, I think, six in—he has one draw, and he's like on a six-fight winning streak. | ||
| Guy's a fucking phenomenal grappler. | ||
| I've worked out with a lot of great grapplers throughout my— Especially because those are the guys that I choose to go with. | ||
| When I tell you that Yair for 45 has unreal strength, it's impressive, bro. | ||
| It's just fucking wiry, freaky, like he's crazy long for the weight. | ||
| And you get him in uncomfortable spots. | ||
| And I think because of the Taekwondo, they develop so much dexterity and rotation of muscles. | ||
| He could do a split and defend takedowns and then fucking threaten submissions. | ||
| I had a couple times to work out with him. | ||
| The kid's impressive, bro. | ||
| He's not getting ran over no more by anybody in the grappling, I think, bro. | ||
| Yeah, he's wild. | ||
| And the Volkanovski fight is such an interesting fight because Volkanovski is such a tank. | ||
| Look, I thought... | ||
| He beat Islam? | ||
| I thought he beat him. | ||
| I watched it again, over and over again, and it really comes down to that second round, and I gave him an advantage in that second round. | ||
| I watched it many times. | ||
| It's kind of like... | ||
| We're watching a fight, man. | ||
| Who's winning at the end? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who's on top at the end? | ||
| And who would you rather be at the end of the fight? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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| That's what a fight is. | ||
| You might have out-positioned him here and there, but, man, I thought I was the same way. | ||
| But initially, I felt the same way. | ||
| Like, man, maybe I'm caught up in the moment. | ||
| I'm a huge Vogue fan. | ||
| I love what Islam does because he's trying to hurt guys and put them out and submit them. | ||
| I don't think he's like a crotch. | ||
| If he's taking guys down and trying to finish them, you know? | ||
| So, I like that, but I really thought, man, I think Volk watched it. | ||
| And then when I watched it the second time, and it wasn't in a big group, you know? | ||
| It was like, I still think Volk won, man. | ||
| Just because of the damage alone. | ||
| It's a fucking fight. | ||
| It's not a grappling match, you know? | ||
| And if you dominate somebody in grappling, I could give that. | ||
| But when you're getting stuffed, when you're getting punched in the face, and then the fifth round, he's ending on top of you fucking... | ||
| Even the round when Islam had his back and Volks just punched him in the face and talking shit. | ||
| Do something, yeah. | ||
| Why is that position good? | ||
| It's only good if you're threatening with submissions. | ||
| He wasn't really threatening. | ||
| Or if you're threatening with punches or something. | ||
| You're doing everything possible to negate a fight. | ||
| If I was a judge, I would always look at it like, you're doing everything in your power not to fight. | ||
| It's kind of stalling. | ||
| It's kind of stalling. | ||
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It's not. | |
| It's 100%. | ||
| Yeah, um, you know what won't be stalling is Adesanya and Pajera two, three, four, what is it now? | ||
| Four. | ||
| Well, two kickboxing and two MMA. So this would be two in MMA. This is their second fight in the UFC. That's the fucking fight, man. | ||
| My God! | ||
| That was one of my favorite fights I've seen. | ||
| I think it was like... | ||
| Some of the best stand-up we've seen in a while. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| You know? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Izzy's so creative, athletic, has crazy experience in it. | ||
| And Pereira's like a fucking Terminator, bro. | ||
| He obviously has all the skill set in the world, but I see that guy, I'm like, bro, that's the fucking Terminator right there, bro. | ||
| He's a scary dude. | ||
| And he's so big. | ||
| Coming right out of the Amazon doesn't give a fuck about the world. | ||
| Yeah, right out of the Amazon. | ||
| I'm gonna fuck you up, bro. | ||
| Yeah, I mean literally his nickname, Polaton, is that language of his tribe. | ||
| You see when he dresses up in the traditional garb and when he walks out and he fucking draws the bow back. | ||
| I fucking love it, bro. | ||
| He doesn't give a fuck what the world is singing and I say, this is who I am, get ready for it. | ||
| Yeah, he's such a knockout artist too. | ||
| Even in kickboxing, that motherfucker. | ||
| So scary. | ||
| That's an iconic picture right there, man. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| He brought it back to the village. | ||
| His title to his indigenous reservation. | ||
| Back to Brazil. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| It was incredible. | ||
| I'm fucking pumped for that, man. | ||
| That's a skip. | ||
| But Izzy almost had him. | ||
| First round. | ||
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Woo! | |
| To fight with a busted eardrum because he was bleeding out his fucking eardrum. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So one of the worst things that could happen to you in the first round is your equilibrium. | ||
| Get fucking killed like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who do you got? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, look, if Izzy can catch him again, but catch him earlier, like where he's got time to put him away, it can happen. | ||
| I mean, that was the most hurt anybody did. | ||
| Even though Pajera stopped him, he stopped him with like a big barrage of shots. | ||
| Izzy cracked him, and he had that dude on Queer Street. | ||
| And then he hit him with that left hook like at the buzzer. | ||
| No, another five seconds doesn't get out of the first round. | ||
| Another five seconds, the fight is over. | ||
| And Izzy's such a sharpshooter. | ||
| But, man, Paheta got him. | ||
| Like, you can't take that away. | ||
| I mean, Izzy was winning that fight, but Paheta took it all away in the fifth round. | ||
| So who fucking knows, man? | ||
| I'm just gonna be... | ||
| And it's very intriguing to me because Izzy's defensive wrestling is pretty on point. | ||
| You know, he's demonstrated over the time. | ||
| He has a great defense, you know, numbers-wise. | ||
| Pereira, I don't know how well he'll do against a lot of these other guys that are gonna be like, I'm not striking with you, bro. | ||
| I'm just gonna straight fucking dive for your legs. | ||
| It's gonna be interesting to see because you could see on the ground he's not efficient yet. | ||
| He's not, you know, he's a tough motherfucker. | ||
| But yeah, he doesn't know quite what he's doing. | ||
| They have wrist control on him. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| He's a little bit lost in some positions. | ||
| When Izzy had his back, he looked lost. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And you've got to imagine if Robert Whittaker gets his back like that, that's a real problem. | ||
| Yeah, and Whittaker could wrestle defensively, offensively. | ||
| Now imagine Eblen coming up to 85 in the UFC. Imagine him leaving Bellator and his contract is up. | ||
| That quality of wrestler. | ||
| I'm putting my money on it. | ||
| Ebelin beats everybody at UFC. I've been advocating for this guy for a while because I fucking lived it with him. | ||
| I've gone to war with him. | ||
| I've seen what he does against top-notch wrestlers. | ||
| I never like to mention names, but I've seen this guy crush the best of the best. | ||
| Doesn't matter what discipline they are. | ||
| Everybody comes to the American Top Team at some point, and I've seen this guy just go to fucking war with people. | ||
| And put him on. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| I believe it because the way he handled Musashi on the feet. | ||
| That's when the whole world came to find out. | ||
| But going into that fight, I know I'm a huge Musashi fan. | ||
| Musashi's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Classy dude, bro. | ||
| I was really bummed out when he left the UFC. I was like, God damn it. | ||
| It was kind of weird. | ||
| They didn't appreciate it enough. | ||
| They didn't. | ||
| And he has a great fucking style, bro. | ||
| Oh, amazing style. | ||
| With a Bellator crush. | ||
| I'm telling you, Johnny's a problem in more ways than one. | ||
| I believe it. | ||
| He's fucking, I think he'd be parade right now, or is he bro? | ||
| It's not to diss on those guys or anything, but man, I'm telling you, Johnny Ebelin is the fucking truth. | ||
| Is he happy at Bellator? | ||
| Can he be coaxed? | ||
| I know, I know, I know he earns a nice check at Bellator. | ||
| I'm sure Bellator's got to keep people there. | ||
| They have to spend that money. | ||
| But you know, like everybody, man, you want to say I'm the number one without question and doubt. | ||
| If they're saying those guys over there are the best, I want to fucking... | ||
| That's something that I wish UFC here and there would at least do every once in a while. | ||
| Just bring them over for one fight. | ||
| Well, they tried that with pride, but pride fucked them. | ||
| Remember when they had Vandelay come over and Chuck, and then Chuck went over to Pride and fought in Pride when he was a star in the UFC, and he got beat in Pride, but then they wouldn't let anybody come over here, and then the UFC had to buy Pride, and then it turns out they weren't even buying Pride, they were just buying a digital library, and the fucking... | ||
| The whole thing was a mess. | ||
| The contracts were all bad, so they never got Fedor, and then... | ||
| Fedor in his prime here. | ||
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Oh! | |
| He was the baddest motherfucker ever in the heavyweight division, in my eyes. | ||
| In my eyes. | ||
| I mean, I feel like the only thing that comes close to me is Cain Velasquez in his prime. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cain Velasquez in his prime was a juggernaut. | ||
| He just would not stop. | ||
| And his cardio was just insanity. | ||
| He'd be the guy to, like, challenge, like, an Ngannou in his prime. | ||
| I know they fought, but, like, in his prime, like, nine attempts per round for takedowns. | ||
| It's like when we talk about Marab. | ||
| Like that crazy gas tank, almost like born with it. | ||
| That's Kane. | ||
| And power. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When he knocked out Noguera. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Fedor just had like an uncanny ability to take you off your feet. | ||
| Whether it was like a sambo throw or like a fucking right hand and then he'd like cross body like lock you and fucking dump you in your head and then the meanest ground and pound that we've seen, bro. | ||
| His striking was so good. | ||
| And he walked down Crow Cop. | ||
| Most of that fight was a stand-up fight. | ||
| And he's fighting one of the baddest motherfuckers to ever kickbox. | ||
| No, Fedor and his prime were. | ||
| He was special. | ||
| When they'd show, like, the pride fights were, like, what, Friday or something like that? | ||
| I remember, maybe it was Saturday, I don't know, but I know it'd be... | ||
| I don't think it was Saturday. | ||
| Maybe it was, like, Friday or something. | ||
| It was weird shit, because it was, like, four o'clock in the morning. | ||
| I'd have dudes come over my house from jiu-jitsu at like 4 in the morning. | ||
| We'd be watching the fights live from Japan. | ||
| That's how we were too. | ||
| Me and all the fucking junkies were like, pride. | ||
| Pride. | ||
| And then they came up with Dreams and Sengoku. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| That was some good times. | ||
| Yeah, some good times. | ||
| I mean, it's pretty wild to think that the sport has really only been around in a popular sense since the early 1990s. | ||
| It's kind of crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Martial arts have been around for thousands of years. | ||
| The oldest sport ever. | ||
| Oldest sport. | ||
| It was the first Olympic sport. | ||
| It was fighting, right? | ||
| Yeah, pancreation. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, and this is what has become the biggest, most popular sport now. | ||
| But it took the UFC spending all that money. | ||
| 40 million bucks. | ||
| And just putting it on. | ||
| They were so close to quitting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, Lorenzo Fittita called Dana White and said, look, I can't lose my family's money. | ||
| We've got to sell this. | ||
| And then he changed his mind. | ||
| Changed his mind. | ||
| I said, you know what? | ||
| This is what we'll do. | ||
| Let's finance the ultimate fighter. | ||
| We'll pay for it. | ||
| We'll do that and see if that works. | ||
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Boom! | |
| That's it. | ||
| That was crazy. | ||
| I remember watching that fight live still. | ||
| Rest in peace to Stefan Bond. | ||
| That was a fucking good fight. | ||
| And then you hear the story behind it. | ||
| It's like ratings started going up. | ||
| People are calling each other. | ||
| You need to watch this fight. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, bop! | ||
| Household names. | ||
| Everybody's fucking watching the UFC. Because I was competing before Ultimate Fighter. | ||
| So I already was heavily involved in the UFC since I've been... | ||
| 10, 11 years old, it was the only thing I consumed, you know? | ||
| So when that happened, it was like a change of the guard right away, man. | ||
| Yeah, and that was 2005. Pretty crazy. | ||
| Spike TV, which doesn't even exist anymore. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Yeah, Spike TV doesn't exist anymore. | ||
| It became Paramount, and then it just went away. | ||
| I don't know what it is now. | ||
| I think Paramount is just an app now. | ||
| I think Paramount is just a streaming service. | ||
| I might be wrong about that. | ||
| But this fight was just fucking chaos. | ||
| These guys just beat the shit out of each other. | ||
| This is good to see. | ||
| I hadn't seen this one in a minute. | ||
| What's really amazing, and no disrespect to these guys, but how much better people are today. | ||
| That's what's amazing. | ||
| The evolution of the sport from 2005 to 2023 is just unprecedented. | ||
| Eighteen years later, everybody's just above and beyond. | ||
| You're seeing guys competing for their first fight in the UFC and their world class. | ||
| They look fucking clean. | ||
| Clean. | ||
| Into striking, the wrestling, the conditioning, the jiu-jitsu. | ||
| No, it's a beautiful sport, and it's an amazing time, and I'm very pumped to see you fight, man. | ||
| Two and a half weeks. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| Yes, I'm very excited, and good luck with your promotion, which is April 1st. | ||
| Tell people how they can get that. | ||
| If you want to go live, Ticketmaster at the Fizer Forum. | ||
| I always pronounce that one wrong. | ||
| Where's it at? | ||
| Fizer Forum in Milwaukee. | ||
| Milwaukee. | ||
| Milwaukee. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So it's near Pettis' hometown. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's Pettis' hometown. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Also, we got Pro Gonzalez is from Chicago, not too far away, competing on the card as well. | ||
| It's going to be a fucking hell of a fucking fight. | ||
| And you can buy the digital rights to it on UFC Fight Pass, which is only the second time in history the UFC has collaborated with somebody else to fucking, to do something like that. | ||
| So I'm fucking extremely honored, man, that we're getting to do this. | ||
| And then, of course, you can watch it on Pay-Per-View anywhere, Comcast, digital, you know. | ||
| Jeremy Stevens, Jose Aldo, Jacare Souza, Vitor Belfort. | ||
| That's exciting. | ||
| That's very exciting. | ||
| I'm fucking pumped. | ||
| Jorge, you're the fucking man. | ||
| Appreciate your brother. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| God bless you, bro. | ||
| God bless you too, brother. | ||
| Let me say just one thing. | ||
| I love that you always speak up for this country and you're a fucking patriot because guys like you got so much more to lose than fucking everybody else. | ||
| And people don't understand, it takes real fucking courage for you to sit there and say these things and express it to the fucking millions around the world of what's happening here. | ||
| So for that, brother, I am always fucking thankful to you. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| God bless all your family. | ||
| Just keep America great. | ||
| I feel the same way about you. | ||
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Thank you very much. | |
| Appreciate you, brother. |
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