July 11, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day I've been a fan ever since That's my preferred method Now, Blunt, what kind of Blunt? | ||
| Well, he was using Swisher Sweets There we go I believe There we go, I figured you'd say so And when I first started smoking, I was a Swisher guy I get the little grape swishers and little flavors and stuff like that But as it got more efficient in smoking I started stepping, taking little steps here and trying this And trying those wraps and trying these things Yeah. | ||
| Chef experiments with new spices. | ||
| So now I'm going to kick you to a backwood, okay? | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I've had backwood. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, there's companies that roll... | ||
| Nick from Foundation Cigar sent me some papers. | ||
|
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I've seen that. | |
| It's like they use like real... | ||
| That's it, right? | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| This stuff right here. | ||
| This is where you don't have to destroy a cigar. | ||
| They just give you the actual leaf. | ||
| The actual leaf. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I see everybody come out with those now. | ||
| Because a lot of people that do it, it's kind of a waste. | ||
| They're realizing that we're not even fucking using the fucking tobacco. | ||
| I bet that's a giant percentage of the amount of... | ||
| There's another company called Pom Pom, and they came out because Swisher had to create a lower company because no one was smoking their tobacco. | ||
| They're just taking it and dumping it in the trash and start like, oh, we're not even going to smoke our tobacco? | ||
| We're going to put cheaper tobacco in here and sell it for the people that are doing those things. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Why put good tobacco in if 90% of the people are throwing it out? | ||
| You want to try this? | ||
| Oh, fuck it. | ||
|
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I'm down. | |
| Let's try it. | ||
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Fuck it. | |
| Because I feel like this dude keeps sending me, and they're, oh, it's fresh and clean. | ||
| Let me see what's going on with over here. | ||
| Oh, my goodness. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| And it's natural? | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Like, I like the natural leaves. | ||
| That is the real shit. | ||
| That's what I don't like about the hoe. | ||
| Oh, see, we need scissors for this. | ||
| This is a whole long leaf. | ||
| Oh, my goodness. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Oh, my goodness. | ||
| We might need a knife. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He gave you a couple leaves. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| You ever heard of a gobble leaf? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's what those remind me of, gobble leaves. | ||
| Oh, that smells so good. | ||
| Let me check it out. | ||
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Let me check it out. | |
| Jamie's got a knife. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| Okay, okay. | ||
| It smells nice to you. | ||
| It smells like... | ||
| It does, right? | ||
| You don't smell nice? | ||
| I don't even say what it smells like to me. | ||
| You don't like tobacco smell? | ||
| I love tobacco smell. | ||
| I do, too. | ||
| I do when it burns. | ||
| Like, for instance, I like these honey blunts. | ||
| You know? | ||
| The flavor of the honey. | ||
| This smells great. | ||
| I love a good cigar, though. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I love the smell. | ||
| And this is... | ||
| I don't know if this is the same company that Foundation Cigars uses. | ||
| It says... | ||
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They use funky font where you can't really read it. | |
| Let me see what's going on here. | ||
| I think it says fronto... | ||
| See? | ||
| A fronto, yeah. | ||
| Fronto King. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| See, so that's what it reminds me of a fronto leaf. | ||
| There's frontos, there's gabas. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Oh, so you're aficionado. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| I was getting... | ||
| I was trying to get in there. | ||
| I was like, hey, trying to find my little lane, you know? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Shit, I do. | ||
| I fuck. | ||
| I fight. | ||
| And I smoke a lot of weed. | ||
| Those are things I do really well. | ||
| Oh yeah, fuck yeah. | ||
| Luis Gomez can roll a hell of a blunt too. | ||
| Gomez, Gomez is so familiar. | ||
| It's a real thing, like to have that skill. | ||
| I'm not even good at rolling joints. | ||
| Oh yeah, brother. | ||
| I'm so spoiled, I buy too many joints. | ||
| I get so mad sometimes with some of my friends, because I'm like, oh you're gonna fuck it up, you know? | ||
| Especially these things, they're like 10 bucks a pack. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| You fuck them up, you're right back at the store. | ||
| Yep. | ||
|
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You know, I spend so much money on that type of shit. | |
| So, let's see how this goes. | ||
| So, Bobby. | ||
| I want to talk about the old days. | ||
| I want to talk about everything. | ||
| I want to talk about the old days. | ||
| I'll talk about whatever you want to talk about. | ||
| You know, like, I seen you way back. | ||
| I don't even know if you remember. | ||
| I remember we hung out at the Ice House. | ||
| You remember? | ||
| Yeah, Pasadena. | ||
| Shit, that was like, bro, that was more than 10 years ago. | ||
| You fucking remember. | ||
| You got a great memory. | ||
| Yeah, we hung out. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Fun, fun times. | ||
| I'm going to ask you this then. | ||
| That was like, when was that? | ||
| That was when I was in Strike Force. | ||
| I waited in line to meet you. | ||
| 2006 or 2007? | ||
| I'm like, hey, Joe, I'm a big fan. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I'm Bobby Green. | ||
| You're like... | ||
| You didn't recognize my face, which nobody does, because I don't know what it is. | ||
| I just changed my look, and I don't got the bolts on my face. | ||
| When I see fighters, I associate everybody in shorts, with no shirt on, with gloves on. | ||
| That's how I remember you. | ||
| You don't see a lot of guys out on the street, and then you go, oh, Bobby! | ||
| That happens all the time to me. | ||
| I run into a guy, and I'm like, why do I know this dude? | ||
| I fucking commentated his fights. | ||
| Yeah, me and a friend of ours where we go to all your little shows in the ice house and kind of support. | ||
| I'm not gonna use that leaf for this one because I don't know how to cut it exactly and I don't want to fuck them up. | ||
| No worries. | ||
| Yeah, that ice house is a great spot. | ||
| But yeah, no, I remember us hanging out there. | ||
| You killed it the first night, brother. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| You came through, you killed it. | ||
| You told the story about, I think it's Mark Hunt. | ||
| Uh, and he's stealing a woman. | ||
| He takes his country girls at a hotel or something, you know what I mean? | ||
| And another girl's like... | ||
| No, no, no, Mark Coleman. | ||
| Mark Coleman, I'm sorry. | ||
| There we go, Mark Coleman. | ||
| Yeah, let's not mention that story because I kind of never told anybody it was about Mark. | ||
| Everybody just assumed. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
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Holy shit. | |
| So yeah, growing up in those times, like, I feel like the fighters now these days, they don't know what it was like for us coming up in interesting ways. | ||
| Like, the different things we had to go through. | ||
| Like, for instance, when I got into MMA, it was still, like, unheard of type of thing, you know? | ||
| Like, you didn't have a gym you could just go to and train. | ||
| What year was your first fight? | ||
| I have no fucking idea. | ||
| I was 21 years old. | ||
| I've met a girl. | ||
| How old are you now? | ||
| I'm 35. So let's do that math. | ||
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14? | |
| 14 years? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 14 years is 22, so fucking 2008? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think I saw you at the Ice House. | ||
| It was after that, right? | ||
| So it must have been 2010-ish. | ||
| Because we were doing the podcast at the Ice House back then, so I think it was 2010. Wow. | ||
| I have a terrible memory. | ||
| I spoke too much weed. | ||
| I don't know if that's bad for your memory, because my memory's good sometimes. | ||
| That's what's weird. | ||
| I'm getting punched in the head a lot. | ||
| One of the two. | ||
| That's an issue. | ||
| I love the sport. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's nothing like it. | ||
| The Strikeforce days were interesting, right? | ||
| Because it's like, it was, uh, there was elite fighters, but it wasn't getting quite the coverage that it deserved. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I mean, there was some great fights, like, my God, like, that was the Nick Diaz era. | ||
| I was gonna say that, that was the real era of the Diaz's, where they were really like, do you remember the fucking fight, uh, With Mayhem, where they fucking got in the fight after the shit. | ||
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These things happen in MMA. It was going down back in the days, you know? | |
| They really set that precedent for like, hey, don't fuck with us, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We will set this bitch off. | ||
| That was a wilder time of fighting. | ||
| The sponsors were all like Bob's Auto Shop and shit. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Do you remember Shad Smith? | ||
| Shad Smith. | ||
| Yeah, I do remember Shad Smith. | ||
| That was my first coach. | ||
| No kidding. | ||
| First coach. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I didn't know anything about MMA. I saw felony fights. | ||
| You know what felony fights is? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He was on there. | ||
| Didn't Shad Smith fight Dwayne Ludwig in King of the Cage? | ||
| He is fought in everybody, brother. | ||
| He's fought in everybody from... | ||
| From every show. | ||
| Crazy Horse, Uriah, Faber. | ||
| He's fought in everyone. | ||
| And so I see felony fights. | ||
| I see this tall-headed white guy all tatted up. | ||
| And I remember when he fought the guy on the show, he had him on the ground. | ||
| He had him mounted and he was pounding him. | ||
| And he just gave up. | ||
| He's like, bro, the guy's done. | ||
| He showed compassion. | ||
| So I didn't forget that guy. | ||
| He just had a different character than all the other guys who were doing this. | ||
| Like, I'm going to smash. | ||
| I'm going to be a tough guy for YouTube, you know? | ||
| I saw this one felony fight with this dude, KO'd this guy, and then just kept dropping knees on his head, and they didn't stop the fight. | ||
| He was out cold. | ||
| And he was out cold, laying on his back, and this dude was just hips up in the air, and boom, dropping knees on his head. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| It was awful. | ||
| And so I remember Shad from that. | ||
| I should know I'm bumping the Shad somewhere. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, you're the felony fights guy, you know? | ||
| So we're training together. | ||
| I'm a wrestler. | ||
| He hears I'm this little wrestler in the town. | ||
| So he's like, can you help me out with my wrestling? | ||
| And I'll kind of show you a little bit about jujitsu and fighting. | ||
| What year is this around? | ||
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This... | |
| Fuck, I'm terrible with the year stuff. | ||
| You can't ask me that, Joe. | ||
| I do not keep up with dates. | ||
| How old were you? | ||
| I can't even remember my own birth date. | ||
| Just how old were you back then? | ||
| How old were you when you started? | ||
| I was 20. 20 and 21. I remember when I first started MMA was because of my son. | ||
| I met a chick and within a month she got pregnant. | ||
| So I'm working a warehouse job. | ||
| Six days a week. | ||
| On my seventh day, I go all the way out to Mexico. | ||
| I fight in Mexico and make $800. | ||
| I come back. | ||
| I keep the little money, put it in a savings account or put it in a little account for him. | ||
| And it's just this money I'm having for this kid. | ||
| I'm scared. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's my first child. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck I've been doing. | ||
| I'm scared. | ||
| So I just put all this money away to help save for him. | ||
| So that was your introduction to fighting. | ||
| Did you have any striking back then? | ||
| No striking at all, just a wrestler. | ||
| I had no idea what jiu-jitsu was. | ||
| I'm going around fighting guys in Mexico who... | ||
| 150 Muay Thai fights, you know? | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And these are the days where fighting was mostly illegal in California. | ||
| I fought three guys in one night that night. | ||
| Three fights. | ||
| The stand-up guy had 150 fights, Muay Thai. | ||
| Then I fought a purple belt from Henzo Gracie School. | ||
| And then I fought a black belt from... | ||
| I don't remember what school he was from. | ||
| This is in Mexico? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tijuana? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I knew a lot of guys from Legends Gym back in the day were going down to Tijuana for fights. | ||
| Because it was not that far to go. | ||
| Brianna is just supposed to be from there. | ||
| Henry Brianna is supposed to be from there. | ||
| I beat him too. | ||
| I fought him too. | ||
| I fought all the who's who's of Mexicals. | ||
| I actually became a star in Mexico before I actually did anything out here. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Mexical love me. | ||
| I get out there and I dance. | ||
| I'm from foster care. | ||
| I've been in foster care since I was four years old. | ||
| So I know white people. | ||
| I know black people. | ||
| I know Mexican people. | ||
| I even speak a little bit Spanish. | ||
| I love poquito. | ||
| So I know their culture. | ||
| So they're hating on me when I first come out there. | ||
| They're booing me. | ||
| You're not from Mexico. | ||
| Then after the fight, they drop the music. | ||
| I start dancing like cumbias and merengue. | ||
| They're like, what? | ||
| He knows our shit, you know? | ||
| After that, they love me. | ||
| They fucking love me ever since. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| So back to Shad Smith. | ||
| Shad Smith's this tough guy. | ||
| He's the tap-out guy. | ||
| Tap-out at the time was the biggest thing for MMA. They pushed the beacon, you know? | ||
| They really pushed that mark to get us out there, out there, you know? | ||
| Going to EC shows and selling these shirts and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And so I meet Shad. | ||
| We're working out. | ||
| We're going great. | ||
| Everything's going great. | ||
| I'm like in the gym. | ||
| I'm starting to become this fighter. | ||
| So one day after practice, Shad doesn't tell me that Shad is gay. | ||
| I have no problem with that. | ||
| What you do is your own thing, as long as you don't come at me with it. | ||
| One day we're training, and after training gets over, I take my shirt off. | ||
| I think we ended a round. | ||
| I take my shirt off like, are we going to go to the next round? | ||
| And he's like, hey, put your shirt on, bro. | ||
| Put your shirt on. | ||
| I can't concentrate. | ||
| And I was like, my wheels are turning a little bit. | ||
| I'm like, what is he saying? | ||
| What does he mean, you know? | ||
| And then it finally hit me. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| He's talking about this. | ||
| He's like, oh, bro, I didn't tell you. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I'm gay, you know? | ||
| And I'm like, oh, brother, no problem. | ||
| As long as you don't call me, I'm not that way. | ||
| You know, it's cool. | ||
| So we let it go. | ||
| Bygones, we're gonna work together. | ||
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It's cool. | |
| I used to be riding the backseat smoking weed with him and his boyfriend. | ||
| They're fighting each other. | ||
| Fist fighting and some more, you know? | ||
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They're crazy. | |
| Fist fighting in the backseat. | ||
| You have to understand, this is when gay stuff is just really coming around the corner, you know? | ||
| And so it's still new. | ||
| I think gay stuff's been around a long time. | ||
| But it's getting its momentum. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's becoming more mainstream accepted, right? | ||
| Yeah, it's getting the momentum. | ||
| It's crazy that that is in our lifetime. | ||
| I think that's because of the internet. | ||
| And so I'm at this gym. | ||
| I don't know anybody. | ||
| I'm working with this really crazy guy. | ||
| He's fucking nuts. | ||
| He fights with his boyfriend all the time, but he's a really cool guy. | ||
| He's really giving. | ||
| But the only problem was with Shad is Shad would like to fuck the guys at the gym. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So we're sitting outside one day. | ||
| We just finished training. | ||
| We're smoking a blunt. | ||
| We're all chilling. | ||
| We're all, like, tired, you know? | ||
| And one of the guys is like, hey, come here. | ||
| You know, Shad wants you. | ||
| Shad wants you. | ||
| I fucked this one up, by the way. | ||
| You fucked up the blunt? | ||
| I tore it a little bit. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| But I still make it work. | ||
| So he's like, Shad wants you. | ||
| And I'm like, okay. | ||
| He's snickering, he's laughing. | ||
| He's like, watch this, watch this. | ||
| So I'm like, what's going on, you know? | ||
| The guy goes, oh, what the fuck? | ||
| He comes back running. | ||
| He's like, he's fucking somebody in the ass, you know? | ||
| And that was my last day of practice. | ||
| And I'm like, I just can't do it. | ||
| That's a little much, you know? | ||
| So you would turn around the corner and he was there doing it. | ||
| So he wanted you to see it. | ||
| Smashing a guy right there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I'm like, bro, this ain't professional. | ||
| So he wasn't just fucking the guys in the gym. | ||
| He was fucking guys inside the gym. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he's a great guy, you know? | ||
| That's a little unprofessional. | ||
| Yeah, it's a little unprofessional. | ||
| I can't do that, you know? | ||
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I just can't. | |
| I understand. | ||
| I can't work with this, you know? | ||
| So I left. | ||
| I had no idea where to train anymore. | ||
| I gave up on MMA. I actually fought one amateur fight against a kid. | ||
| And so I'm like, cool. | ||
| I'm done with MMA. A couple of buddies of mine hit us up, we start talking, and we go to this wrestling tournament. | ||
| At this wrestling tournament, I do all the wildest things. | ||
| I take WWE and I mix it with actual wrestling so people can be entertained. | ||
| Because wrestling can be kind of boring if you don't know its whole nature and what's going on. | ||
| The average fan, they're like, what's going on? | ||
| They're just hugging each other. | ||
| So I would do things like the Hurricane Rana. | ||
| You know what that is? | ||
| You jump on a guy and you spin under him and roll him. | ||
| A guy would shoot on me. | ||
| I'd stop his shot. | ||
| And then while he's down there, I'd jump over his head, literally in mid-air, hook him, and roll over him. | ||
| So I'm doing all these crazy suplexes. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You did pro wrestling moves in a real fight? | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| Fuck yes. | ||
| What did the dude do? | ||
| This is a wrestling match. | ||
| This is a freestyle match where older people come by. | ||
| We graduated from high school. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| We graduated from high school, and now we can do, like, my buddy's like, let's go hang out, we'll go wrestle together, you know? | ||
| Right, but it's a real wrestling match. | ||
| A real wrestling match. | ||
| And you're doing pro wrestling shit in a real match. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm trying to find... | ||
| It's funny how Jiu-Jitsu guys call that, they'll call a match a fight. | ||
| Yeah, that's a match. | ||
| It's a match. | ||
| That's a match, it's not a fight! | ||
| Yeah, you're not hitting each other, it's not a fight. | ||
| I can't stand that. | ||
| It's weird, right? | ||
| It bothers me. | ||
| I got friends that go, hey, who do you think is going to win between John Cena and The Rock in their fight? | ||
| Oh, that's even more ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah, so I'm like, bro, they already know who's going to win. | ||
| They already know who's going to win. | ||
| As a matter of fact, he's already got his check and he's counting the money. | ||
| I have to have this conversation with Tony Hinchcliffe Weekly. | ||
| To me, I love wrestling, but I thought the interest is, you know, the fireworks, the energy, that's the package part. | ||
| Now, can I bring that to MMA? You know, that's my biggest thing is since the beginning, I used to come out with Santa Claus suits, throw out stuff to the crowd, because it's like, it's the same along the same lines. | ||
| I figured if we could bring MMA to... | ||
| WWE. The only problem is that why WWE had the fall was when everyone found out it was fake. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I believed it was real! | ||
| And then someone's like, you know that shit's fake, right? | ||
| You know, like, look at their feet and they're going, ugh! | ||
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Ugh! | |
| I'm like, what? | ||
| They're slamming each other! | ||
| How old were you when you thought it was real? | ||
| I'd say 12. That's normal. | ||
| That's normal. | ||
| And so then, I'm like, what? | ||
| You can't fake a slam? | ||
| He just picked that guy and slammed him. | ||
| I'm like, no, they've actually been trained to break the fall, you know? | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, if you think about Santa Claus, like the average age kids find out, what do you think it is, Jamie? | ||
| Nine? | ||
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I hope not. | |
| I hope not, but I think it is. | ||
| Fuck Santa Claus. | ||
| You think Daddy. | ||
| Daddy got some damn gifts, you know? | ||
| Yes, you should think Daddy, but people believe in Santa Claus up until probably, I think the average age is probably seven or eight, but you need a better lighter here. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
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Look at you, look at you. | |
| Yeah, cigar lighter. | ||
| I would say that Santa Claus is probably 9. Pro wrestling is probably 11 or 12. A little bit later. | ||
| Maybe until 9 you're holding out hope that it's still... | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Everyone's wrong. | ||
| Maybe when you're 9 you're holding out hope. | ||
| But I'm like, how do you fake the chairs? | ||
| How do you fake the tables? | ||
| Oh, they're compressed sawdust. | ||
| And oh, it's aluminum. | ||
| They're like, what? | ||
| It just bursts in my whole bubble. | ||
| Oh, you mean those chairs that they slam on people? | ||
| Yeah, they slam each other and hitting each other and doing all this stuff. | ||
| I'm going to clean all this stuff when I'm done, sir. | ||
| Don't worry about it, man. | ||
| We have people clean up. | ||
| I'm not a dirty motherfucker. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| So, I'm doing these tournaments now. | ||
| Some messing guys find me. | ||
| Mexican guys fighting. | ||
| Yeah, my two Mexican coaches, they go, hey, you should fight. | ||
| Back when I was with the first coach, I had that amateur fight. | ||
| There's a guy named Aaron Miller, Blood Spill Miller. | ||
| He's fighting for a title. | ||
| I go, I beat that kid in my amateur fight. | ||
| Maybe I should do fighting. | ||
| So from that moment when I met those two messing guys, I didn't know them too well. | ||
| Turns out they're a different type of gym. | ||
| This gym is full of gangsters. | ||
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Oh, really? | |
| They train, but they gangsters. | ||
| They smoke weed. | ||
| We go into Mexico, we're fighting. | ||
| I was literally in the gym two weeks, literally two weeks at the max, and I had my first fight. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| This guy, this coach, he's known for, like, he'll just throw anybody in there. | ||
| He's going to make money, I'll get 200 bucks off of you. | ||
| But watch this. | ||
| I got you a fight, I got you a fight, and you a fight. | ||
| I made 500, I made 200 from each five guys, I made 1,000 bucks to pay my rent. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's his thinking. | ||
| So he was just throwing people to the wolves. | ||
| I don't care if you win, I don't care if you lose, I'm gonna get paid, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, that's a lot of the early day promoters, right? | ||
| That's what we're getting to in the early days. | ||
| These new kids don't know what it was like to get there. | ||
| I have to explain to my younger guys, I took every opportunity I got to get here. | ||
| I took every opportunity. | ||
| I fought on 24 hours notice. | ||
| I fought... | ||
| I fought three times in one night. | ||
| I've done everything, Joe. | ||
| How many days notice was the Islam fight, the Makachev fight? | ||
| Ten days? | ||
| Ten days? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How heavy were you before you took that fight? | ||
| Fuck, Joe. | ||
| It was a mess, brother. | ||
| It was a mess. | ||
| Because I know, like, the cut has to be planned out, you know, if you're gonna do it correctly. | ||
| And I love All You Can Eat Sushi. | ||
| I'm a fat guy. | ||
| Like, I'm gonna be fat after my shit. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| When I seen Khabib, I was like, holy fuck! | ||
| He's not fat. | ||
| What happened to you? | ||
| He's just big. | ||
| He's just not lean anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But to us, in our world, you know, in our world, we clown each other every day. | ||
| If I come to the gym after, they call me Bobby Burger King Green. | ||
| Because I was fucking face all fucking bloated and shit. | ||
| A lot of fighters do that, right? | ||
| At the end of their career, they get really fat. | ||
| Really common. | ||
| Look at Maidana. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's a good example, right? | ||
| He's losing weight, though. | ||
| Apparently, he's trying to make a comeback. | ||
| But I'm like, motherfucker. | ||
| Like, I've been 155. I left high school at 160. For the last 20 years, I've been the same weight. | ||
| I deserve to be fat. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Let me just let it go. | ||
| You know, just like your hair. | ||
| Just let it go. | ||
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Let it go. | |
| Let that belly out. | ||
| You know? | ||
|
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Let it go. | |
| Paddy Pimblitt? | ||
| That motherfucker gets fat quick. | ||
| He's fat as fuck right now. | ||
|
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I hear that. | |
| I hear that. | ||
| He's fat as fuck. | ||
| His face is all round and he shows his belly. | ||
| He's hilarious. | ||
| He's hilarious. | ||
| If you don't understand this, we actually go through depression. | ||
| You know, a lot of fighters, they don't recognize that. | ||
| We're kind of like cheerleaders. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You look sexy. | ||
| You look good. | ||
| You see yourself every day in the mirror for the last four to eight weeks. | ||
| Shredded. | ||
| Shredded. | ||
| You're looking like, yeah. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, two days later, not even like a week, two days, you're like, what happened? | ||
| I was in shape just two days ago. | ||
| I fought literally three days ago, and I'm now 195 pounds. | ||
| That happens to everybody if you go off the rails. | ||
| There's Paddy. | ||
| Look at him now. | ||
| There's Dean Thomas. | ||
| Look at his face. | ||
| Look how fat his face gets. | ||
| He shows his gut before that. | ||
| Oh, that's a great... | ||
| He's already gelling up. | ||
| And he just fought. | ||
| He just fought a couple weeks ago. | ||
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He does look like Chris from Family Guy. | |
| Somebody gotta tell him I gotta cut his fucking hair. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| He looks like one of the Hanson brothers or something. | ||
| But that's his shtick. | ||
| True. | ||
| That's his shtick, you know? | ||
| Your shtick is you got a tattooed head and you're cool as fuck. | ||
| And his shtick is he's silly. | ||
| Like, his hair's silly. | ||
| I bet a lot of people underestimated him when they first saw him. | ||
| Because you see, look at this nerd, this goofy-ass hair. | ||
| What is the odds that he can fight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He can fucking fight. | ||
| He can. | ||
| I'll give him that. | ||
| He's diving right into the deep end of the pool quick, though. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| You know, they gave him two fighters. | ||
| First guy, I forget who he fought, was pretty talented. | ||
| Second guy was pretty talented, too. | ||
| And now they're talking about Ilya Tapuria. | ||
| That's a big jump. | ||
| That's not a big jump. | ||
| And that's another thing, too. | ||
| I like that jump. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I like it, but it's a big jump. | ||
| Come on, Joe. | ||
| Let's get to the truth, Joe. | ||
| No, no doubt. | ||
| I think Patty's very good. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| His submission game is very, very tight. | ||
| But I try to explain this. | ||
| I got a little beef with a... | ||
| What's his next name? | ||
| That is the worst blunt anybody's ever wrote. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| It's the worst blunt. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I know. | ||
| I felt it. | ||
| I felt it. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, you're fucking nervous. | ||
| You ain't an idiot on fucking TV. Whatever you did is way better than what I would have done. | ||
| I'm terrible at joints and blunts. | ||
| I'm gonna do it again. | ||
| I'm gonna get high on this show. | ||
| We're already high. | ||
| No, this ain't even close. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I smoke 15 of these a day. | ||
| Well, that's not good. | ||
| And I got the greatest cardio too, you know? | ||
| You do have great cardio. | ||
| That's the thing about it. | ||
| Marijuana does not seem to affect cardio like cigarettes do. | ||
| I don't smoke in my caps or anything. | ||
| I just want to say I'm not a doctor. | ||
| You don't smoke at all in camp? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| You eat vegan in camp too, huh? | ||
| Yeah, I fucked up with the DS's. | ||
| They were getting me high. | ||
| I'm like, Nate, how long do you still smoke? | ||
| He's like, 11 days up to the final. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| When you eat vegan, does that help you cut weight? | ||
| Is that why you do it that way? | ||
| Yeah, you gotta understand. | ||
| Guys like me, they don't think I'm a big 55er. | ||
| If you're walking around 195 pounds... | ||
| Yeah, you look very big. | ||
| For normal people, they would never imagine you weigh 155 pounds. | ||
| That's what's crazy about fighting. | ||
| I've said this so many times, I risk repeating myself, but I do that a lot anyway. | ||
| The big thing that bothers me the most is not tough fights. | ||
| It's weight cuts. | ||
| That bothers me the most. | ||
| Because I just think it's a dumb thing. | ||
| This is why it bothers me. | ||
| Guys that know what they're doing, they're professional fighters, they know that they're going to have a fight like Hamzat and Gilbert just had, where both guys take crazy damage. | ||
| Everybody understands that. | ||
| It's part of the risk of the- but why is there an extra risk? | ||
| Why is there this extra risk of like starvation and dehydration? | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Like that doesn't- that hinders performance. | ||
| Fuck yeah. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I mean think of the amazing performances we've seen in the UFC and we've seen fucking amazing performances. | ||
| I've got to imagine They were strong. | ||
| Some of those people, as elite as we saw them, they're capable of something another level even higher if they weren't dehydrated. | ||
| If their body was operating on peak efficiency. | ||
| It's not going to be peak efficiency if you dehydrate yourself down to like, some of these guys look terrible. | ||
| That's what I like about Japan. | ||
| They force you to do dehydration tests. | ||
| Well, 1FC is doing something along those lines. | ||
| They were pushing all the guys up. | ||
| They do it in some wrestling tournaments, too, right? | ||
| They're big on not doing that dehydration to their bodies. | ||
| Man, it just doesn't make sense to me. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| And I feel like there's a solution. | ||
| I can see it for some fighters, but for us, especially the 55 division. | ||
| That's that gap. | ||
| Yeah, that 55 is 70. That gap. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everybody wants that 65, you know, at least. | ||
| But it leaves those guys in that weird space where I could go 70s like a Benson Henderson, but you're going to notice that difference in those 70 guys. | ||
| Yeah, they're bigger, man. | ||
| They are huge. | ||
| They're big dudes. | ||
| So you're in this weird... | ||
| You gotta cut it down, kid. | ||
| That's the way it goes. | ||
| That's one of the things about weight classes is there's guys that are really in this gap in between. | ||
| There's a reason why we differentiate by size. | ||
| Because it's a big advantage. | ||
| It's a giant advantage. | ||
| And so everybody wants the best advantage. | ||
| How can I do it and still be healthy? | ||
| Like, who does it the best? | ||
| I think Usman does it the best. | ||
| Because he's big. | ||
| That guy's a fucking killer, bro. | ||
| He's big, dude. | ||
| Anybody who's going from 55 to 70, go stand next to him. | ||
| He's a big, super athlete. | ||
| One time I was at the USCPI, and I'm just kind of kicking it, you know, doing a little training and stuff, and I look over and I see Usman there. | ||
| And he's training like he's trying to cut weight. | ||
| He's training like he's trying to cut weight. | ||
| Turns out it's the night of the damn fight. | ||
| He's going to fight that night. | ||
| He's fighting Dos Anos that night. | ||
| I'm thinking you'd be resting and saving your energy. | ||
| This guy's out here bullying it all out like he was cutting weight. | ||
| I was like, that's nuts. | ||
| And then I saw him go in the fight and just fucking, they went in there for five rounds of just hard, high-paced, pushing on each other. | ||
| I'm like, fuck, that guy's the truth. | ||
| He's the truth. | ||
| And he's the perfect size for 170. You know, he's like, when you're in these gaps, I think, from like 170 to 85, and then 85 to 205 is a big gap. | ||
| There's guys that would maybe even be champions if there was 10-pound weight classes. | ||
| I agree, I agree. | ||
| And it's unfortunate because I just, I don't think we see the best of them. | ||
| You know, there's like, if you get a guy who's an elite 55-er and he has to fight a guy who's an elite 170-pounder, that's a big difference. | ||
| That's a giant difference in a lot of these guys. | ||
| The fucking 70-pound guys are giant. | ||
| Like, how much do they really weigh? | ||
| Like, what do they really weigh? | ||
| They're not really weighing 170. They're only weighing 170 for a little while. | ||
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| It's crazy! | ||
| And so when I meet people and they're actually like, well, you're a 55, and they look at me and they kind of like, size me up against them, and they're like, I'm just as big as you and you're 220. You know? | ||
| They're like, there's no way you can be 155. It's illogical. | ||
| I'm only there for one, I'm there for three minutes. | ||
| I literally make the weight, I jump on the scales, and I'm putting it back on. | ||
| Goddamn, man. | ||
| How much does that take out of you, do you think? | ||
| Like, if you had to judge like a performance number. | ||
| If like, 100% is when you're fully healthy. | ||
| You cut weight and then you rehydrate. | ||
| I think it's perfect for me. | ||
| For instance, for 55s, I can make it fine. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| I think the issue more so is my power. | ||
| I notice when I'm walking around like 170, 175, 78, I'm fucking knocking guys. | ||
| I'm hitting guys and hurting them. | ||
| When I start to cut that whole weight, I lose my pop. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So I'm like, I could be knocking guys out at a bigger division, but now you also take the risk of getting your ass knocked out too more than hitting harder. | ||
| Do you think that, like, boxing has it right? | ||
| Don't get me started on boxing. | ||
| I mean, with their weight classes. | ||
| You got 50 weight classes. | ||
| Is that too many? | ||
| Is there like a comfortable medium somewhere? | ||
| We don't know all the boxing champions. | ||
| We know every UFC champion. | ||
| Because they stand out. | ||
| It's only so many. | ||
| And so that gives you a little bit more notoriety. | ||
| But I don't like the whole idea with boxing like... | ||
| I told you earlier about Sugar Sean. | ||
| Sugar Sean got a little back and forth going on. | ||
| And I'm trying to explain it to these younger fighters because I'm the old guy right now. | ||
| I've been through it and I've seen all this. | ||
| The UFC are the story writers. | ||
| The same thing with boxing. | ||
| They're story writers. | ||
| They're writing the stories and it's a certain way. | ||
| You better know how to play your role. | ||
| If you don't know your role, you'll get eliminated. | ||
| You'll get X'd out not knowing how to play the role. | ||
| Right now, you're in the great hot seat, brother. | ||
| You're in the great seat. | ||
| Play it cool. | ||
| Shut the fuck up and play your role. | ||
| But they don't know that it's this machine. | ||
| It's a story. | ||
| And they're going, oh, you're going to go here. | ||
| You're going to fight him. | ||
| You're going to do this. | ||
| They're going to write it just beautiful. | ||
| There's other guys that don't get that road, okay? | ||
| Like Dos Anjos, who's fighting everybody. | ||
| He's fighting every killer. | ||
| He can finally come through. | ||
| There's another killer. | ||
| He's fighting him next. | ||
| And so there's different roads and different stories. | ||
| And I'm like, Sean, understand. | ||
| Stop talking shit. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Like, he did the whole basketball, drilling on the guy who just got in the UFC. This is his first fight. | ||
| And I felt like, don't get me wrong. | ||
| You gotta have the antics. | ||
| You gotta bring the fight. | ||
| But at the same time, know where you are and know what's going on. | ||
| Don't do that to that kid. | ||
| This is his first experience. | ||
| You just shit on a guy who didn't even... | ||
| It's his first get down. | ||
| And you've been fighting. | ||
| You've been in here. | ||
| You're talking shit. | ||
| You're the man. | ||
| And you're gonna do that kid like that? | ||
| And he also had 15 other offers. | ||
| 15 other offers. | ||
| Sean gets to pick his fights. | ||
| So he's picking between these guys. | ||
| And he picks this guy who's not even in the division. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| So it makes it look like he looks really good. | ||
| Everybody's like, oh, he's talented. | ||
| He's blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I'm like, listen, they're writing that story really well. | ||
| Same thing with Boston. | ||
| They never fight nobody. | ||
| While we didn't get Floyd Mayweather and Pacquiao the same at the right time, we didn't get Errol Spence and Crawford These guys who are the best, the UFC does it. | ||
| And at least they're going to write it at the right time. | ||
| They let Conor build it. | ||
| They wrote his story correctly. | ||
| And then they wrote this one, and it comes right. | ||
| At least they make it happen at some point in time. | ||
| With boxing, it doesn't happen. | ||
| They're just like, well, he's our star. | ||
| And we don't want to lose it, because in boxing, you lose, you're done. | ||
| You don't have the same... | ||
| I was a big Broner fan. | ||
| I liked his antics. | ||
| I liked everything to him. | ||
| But once he lost, everybody's like, he's done. | ||
| In the UFC, we don't have that. | ||
| Why do you think that is? | ||
| Why is the UFC more... | ||
| Why is it okay... | ||
| To lose? | ||
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Yeah, in MMA... Sorry. | |
| Damn. | ||
| That Bobby Green weed got me. | ||
| But why is it okay to lose in MMA? Why do you think the MMA community... | ||
| Some of the greatest stars have lost a bunch of times. | ||
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But it's not even okay to lose! | |
| In our industry, you know I hear the word I hear all the time? | ||
| Journeymen. | ||
| Like Colby Covington, I gotta say that. | ||
| He's a fucking journeyman. | ||
| You know, when they diss a guy because he got losses, you know? | ||
| If you've been in this trench long enough, you will get lost. | ||
| You're gonna get a lot of losses if you've been in these trenches long enough. | ||
| Because there's so many ways to play this. | ||
| This chessboard. | ||
| Well, if Colby Covington... | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Damn this cottonmouth. | ||
| If Colby Covington wasn't in the Usman era, he'd probably be champion. | ||
| I mean, the dude is a beast. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I mean, he's a fucking beast. | ||
| His cardio is off the charts. | ||
| I mean, it's crazy. | ||
| It's really sad. | ||
| Wrestling is solid. | ||
| Be honest, he's so talented, and he reminded me of Chell, you know, where he had to use the mouthpiece to get more seen instead of his actual talent, you know, because he is a skilled fighter. | ||
| It's sad that... | ||
| He's gonna kind of almost taint it. | ||
| Like, Chell did it in a great way. | ||
| Chell did it in a great way. | ||
| At first it was a little, ugh, and nobody understood what he was doing. | ||
| But Chell made it funny, Chell made it interesting. | ||
| I saw him giving the bus a carrot, you know? | ||
| Yeah, it was funny. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Kobe doesn't deliver it the same way. | ||
| It's offensive, it's hard to swallow. | ||
| Yeah, he's playing psychological warfare too, you know? | ||
| And the hard part about it is like... | ||
| For us, the real hardcore fans, I mean, not fans. | ||
| I would like to tell them the real Gs, the Nates, the Khabibs, the Corheys. | ||
| We look at you like, hey, you got to back that shit up. | ||
| If you're going to be that type of guy, go back that shit up. | ||
| Go stand on it. | ||
| You can't be the guy that you're talking to shit, but then when they approach you, you ain't ready with that time. | ||
| You ain't on that time. | ||
| If I'm going to be that type of aggression with somebody, then I know what time it is when I'm saying what I'm saying, and I see that person, I know what time it is. | ||
| You know, when I see Sean, like I don't like, and the reason I don't like Sean is because of Tekashi 6'9". | ||
| I don't like 6'9". | ||
| So he went and got him tatted. | ||
| I'm like, oh yeah? | ||
| You just jumped in the pool with him. | ||
| And I don't like you either. | ||
| And you got to be able to stand on what you do. | ||
| Because when those people come and see you, now we're attacking you, Sean. | ||
| You don't even know why? | ||
| Because you wouldn't have butted up with somebody else. | ||
| You clicked up with him, now you get in that same group. | ||
| Now you gotta stand on it. | ||
| Y'all wanna be badasses? | ||
| Well, stand on that shit. | ||
| Don't be calling the police. | ||
| You can't do none of that. | ||
| You wanna be a badass. | ||
| This is what badass shit is. | ||
| And don't get me wrong, I feel like Jorge snuck him. | ||
| Jorge snuck him. | ||
| Ran up late, you know? | ||
| But at the same time, you know what come with this shit. | ||
| You wanna live this life? | ||
| Stand on that shit. | ||
| As a professional, though, don't you think it's a good idea to not get into fistfights in the street? | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| As a professional. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I know exactly what you're saying. | ||
| I understand entertainment, but hold on a second. | ||
| If you're going to be professional, keep it professional. | ||
| If you want to go low, then it's going low, and it's up. | ||
| It's up. | ||
| It's up on site. | ||
| Like, it's what it is. | ||
| If you want to go that way, like, with my kids and my wife and bringing all this other information out that really didn't... | ||
| Talk shit about me all day, brother. | ||
| Let's just go. | ||
| We can shoot shits. | ||
| We can talk jokes. | ||
| But now my family and my kids... | ||
| I don't think Jorge should have done that, though. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I don't agree with it at all. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, you had 25 minutes, brother. | ||
| You had 25 minutes to do anything you needed to do. | ||
| It was that time. | ||
| And now you gotta go get him out? | ||
| You had your time, you know? | ||
| And I don't let it be like that. | ||
| I don't agree. | ||
| But at the same time, I don't agree with Kobe either. | ||
| You want to play that role? | ||
| Stand on it. | ||
| Come with it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Chell had to deal with it. | ||
| Same thing, come with it. | ||
| Go ahead and walk that role. | ||
| That's why a lot of people don't play that role. | ||
| That's why people just play the martial arts role. | ||
| They shut up, they be cool. | ||
| They don't want to get booed. | ||
| They don't want to get chased, attacked. | ||
| Come with that shit. | ||
| Yeah, you're not a guy who got in any unnecessary beefs with people. | ||
| You seem like an easy guy to get along with, generally. | ||
| I'm chill, brother. | ||
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I'm chill. | |
| You are. | ||
| But if you rub me wrong, you'll see me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You'll see it. | ||
| And there are people that will rub you wrong even if you're nice. | ||
| Even if you're a nice person, there's people that are going to rub you wrong, unfortunately. | ||
| Like Cowboy. | ||
| I remember the first time I came into this industry, it's my first fight, I just beat Jacob Volkman. | ||
| Volkman was this killer on this role. | ||
| I just stopped him and I'm doing my first signing. | ||
| I'm in the UFC, I'm the new kid, I'm kind of like just figuring out what this is. | ||
| This is July, we're on the event that they have in Vegas. | ||
| The Fighter Expo, I want to say this, you know? | ||
| And so we're signing autographs, and I'm a cowboy fan. | ||
| He comes in, and he's a little tipsy, you know? | ||
| Drinking, wild boy. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| And so I tell him I'm such a fan, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And he tells me, Some shit like, oh, kick your ass. | ||
| He finds out I'm in his division, oh, I'll beat your ass. | ||
| I'm like, oh, he's aggressive, you know? | ||
| He thinks, and this industry is only two years long. | ||
| This industry is short. | ||
| There's so many people that we don't know are UFC fighters that actually came to the show. | ||
| They did one show and was out. | ||
| Maybe they did two fights and was out, you know? | ||
| It's so fast, this short life. | ||
| So I felt like he treated me like that. | ||
| Like, oh, you're not going to be around that long, you know? | ||
| And he said a lot of underhanded shit that I'm not going to say on this show. | ||
| He did a lot of funny shit that rubbed me wrong. | ||
| And I ain't never forgave him for that. | ||
| And people go, well, why you got a problem? | ||
| And I tell them behind closed doors, like, this is why I don't like you. | ||
| Oh, and they go, okay, I can see why. | ||
| And I want my revenge. | ||
| I want my revenge. | ||
| So Cowboy's on my shit list. | ||
| But I never get him. | ||
| He keeps getting away. | ||
| He keeps getting out of my fingers. | ||
| And he's going to retire, and I'm not going to get my revenge. | ||
| I've been waiting for this for years. | ||
| If I tell you the story, I'll tell you off the shit. | ||
| And it's sweet revenge that needs to happen. | ||
| I believe it's God's plan, and it's going to happen. | ||
| And I'm cool. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I just kept it quiet. | ||
| I'm like, I'm going to get you back. | ||
| I'm going to tell you the story. | ||
| And when you actually hear the story, it's so interesting. | ||
| So then, if peace is all together, I probably think I'm going to get him. | ||
| And then he slipped through my fingers. | ||
| So, Cowboy is one of the guys who won't get it. | ||
| He will get it. | ||
| And I'm not going to go attack the guy and do nothing crazy, but I'm going to get my revenge. | ||
| He's at least got to apologize. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| When I tell you, at least you got to say sorry. | ||
| And we can be cool. | ||
| I'm cool where we can just apologize and be bygones. | ||
| What your energy is, what my energy is. | ||
| If you bring aggression, I'll match it. | ||
| If you bring peace, I'll match it. | ||
| Whatever you want to bring, brother. | ||
| So, back to the old days. | ||
| A lot of these kids don't know. | ||
| They don't know, Joe. | ||
| They don't know what it was like for us. | ||
| Like, I hear Chael stories. | ||
| I listen to all of my OGs and... | ||
| Like, Chael's so mad sometimes when we get, like, about pay. | ||
| He's like, you know what? | ||
| I can't, I can't, I signed up to fight. | ||
| If you want to be a fighter, this is what it takes. | ||
| Fuck the price. | ||
| You sign the contract, this is what you get. | ||
| Don't complain about it because you signed the contract, you know? | ||
| And I get what he says. | ||
| I listen to the old guys, and I go, okay, I can understand. | ||
| They were fighting for 500 bucks, you know? | ||
| And we're complaining, but look what they went through, you know? | ||
| They went through the same things. | ||
| We're going through these growing periods, you know? | ||
| A lot of the older guys went to the Indian casino period. | ||
| I was there! | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I was there! | ||
| I fought at all the casinos. | ||
| Those were the King of the Cage days. | ||
| King of the Cage. | ||
| I was the King of the Cage champ. | ||
| I had two belts for him. | ||
| That was a big deal. | ||
| There was an organization that was able to put on shows while there was a ban on MMA. Because they were able to do it in these Native American casinos. | ||
| All the stars came from... | ||
| There's so many stars came from King of the Cage. | ||
| Uriah Faber. | ||
| Rampage. | ||
| Yep, Rampage. | ||
| Joe Stevenson. | ||
| There's so many guys you can name. | ||
| Dwayne Ludwig. | ||
| You can name a thousand guys, brother, that came from King of the Cage. | ||
| It was like the... | ||
| Tour that the UFC pulled from, you know, one of the organizations that they pulled from. | ||
| And probably Pride, too, right? | ||
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Pride. | |
| A lot of guys went over to Pride. | ||
| That was the days when Pride and the UFC were, like, kind of neck and neck for a while. | ||
| If you looked at the fights that Pride had, like, with Fedor versus Noguera, Fedor versus Krokop, I mean, they were some of the greatest MMA fights of all time. | ||
| And it was happening at the same era as the UFC, when the UFC was becoming popular. | ||
| Those were interesting times, man. | ||
| Really interesting times. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| I'm telling you, I fought one time where I was in Mexico one day. | ||
| No, I was in California. | ||
| I fought a guy named... | ||
| He was one of Tito's guys. | ||
| My third fight, I'm fighting on Friday in LA. I have another fight already booked Saturday in Mexico. | ||
| I can't make the weigh-in because you know how you weigh in the day before. | ||
| So I'm literally fighting that day of the weigh-ins in Mexico. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| So the guy weighs in. | ||
| He doesn't even fucking make weight. | ||
| He's at 185 pounds. | ||
| Well, I'm fighting this guy at 55s. | ||
| Then I go to Mexico the next day to go fight him. | ||
| I find out he's at 185s. | ||
| I still fight him. | ||
| Fucking knock him out. | ||
| It's like, these were the days, guys. | ||
| Like, you guys got it so good. | ||
| They don't understand. | ||
| That's why I'm so thankful for what we got because I'm like the old guys. | ||
| We didn't have none of this, you know? | ||
| You fought two days in a row? | ||
| Two days in a row? | ||
| Three times in one night? | ||
| I've done it all, Joe! | ||
| Sometimes I want to really break this story down for you. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| And so I met the messaging coaches. | ||
| Is that the hardest? | ||
| The messaging coaches would let me do this. | ||
| They're like, okay, so every guy they're doing this with, they're all losers. | ||
| They all lose. | ||
| I'm the only guy that they can put a pit bull in there and he's bringing back the money. | ||
| They're like, oh shit, he won! | ||
| Normally, that guy gets knocked out because we're getting fed to the wolves, okay? | ||
| You're getting... | ||
| Everybody's already got their stars that they're running at these shows. | ||
| So he's the main headline, he's gonna be the ticket seller, and they're gonna find someone for him to bring in to slaughter. | ||
| That's the way the business runs. | ||
| So, I happen to be that guy, and I come out and steal the show. | ||
| How are they so bad at recognizing that you're good? | ||
| A lot of people... | ||
| They thought that you were that guy. | ||
| Because? | ||
| I'm this little street kid, and they think, oh, he don't know shit. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| This came later on. | ||
| Like, I even talked to Big John McCarthy. | ||
| My first, very first fight, I fought his kid. | ||
| Big John was telling him not to take the fight. | ||
| He's like, I heard about this kid, that he's got some wrestling, and he can fight. | ||
| He's like, we told him not to take the fight. | ||
| Our first fight, Neil Abrams. | ||
| If you can find this fight, it's fucking like, it's like Forrest Griffin and Stephen Bonner. | ||
| We just went toe-to-toe, cracking each other for three rounds straight. | ||
| So yeah, these are the beginning days. | ||
| I literally, so now I'm with the messaging coaches, right? | ||
| They're taking me from here to there. | ||
| I'm fighting like on a crazy regimen where I've gotten, I think I had like, one of these months I had like four or five fights in a month. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| My regiment is crazy. | ||
| So I'm so used to that now. | ||
| I don't fight without some money. | ||
| I don't train. | ||
| I won't go in the gym unless there's some money. | ||
| If not, I'm at my warehouse job working six days a week. | ||
| And when they call me, oh, we got to fight? | ||
| Then I'll come in and train, you know? | ||
| And so I train a little bit. | ||
| I don't know shit about jujitsu. | ||
| I don't know shit about striking. | ||
| I'm a wrestler and I'm doing this. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Thinking like, I want to get down so that they're like, oh, he can fight up here. | ||
| So they shoot in on me. | ||
| Now I know all about wrestling, so I just wrestle the guys, pick them up, slam them, get on top of them, pound them out. | ||
| I did that a couple times, made it work, you know? | ||
| I was making it work. | ||
| So now I'm getting ready to fight Dan Lazan's little brother. | ||
| No, Joe Lazan's little brother, Dan Lazan. | ||
| I get the call on 24 hours notice. | ||
| I'm at a warehouse. | ||
| They literally say, hey, we need you to leave, work. | ||
| You have 30 minutes to get here and be on weight. | ||
| I'm like, 30 minutes? | ||
| I go up to the camera at the warehouse, I go, fuck you! | ||
| I'm out of here! | ||
| I quit, you know? | ||
| And this is the point where I made the decision, I'm going to be a fighter from here on out. | ||
| They were like, we'll give you $3,000 to show, $3,000 to win, or something like that. | ||
| No, I think it was $6,000. | ||
| It was the biggest paycheck I had at the time. | ||
| So I'm like, $6,000? | ||
| I'm working this warehouse job for these pennies? | ||
| I'm out of here. | ||
| I go get on treadmill, cut all the way down. | ||
| And I'm fighting Dan LaZone the next day. | ||
| So, this is the issue with me. | ||
| The issue with me is I smoke weed. | ||
| And especially at this time, weed is really bad. | ||
| Where, in fighting, like, Nate got, uh, Nick got suspended for five years. | ||
| Took a lot of his career away. | ||
| I was one of them sacrificial lambs, too. | ||
| Where I got suspended a year, six months, a year and a half. | ||
| I kept getting caught up. | ||
| Because there are often these short-notice fights, and weed doesn't get off your system for 30 days. | ||
| So you're going to piss dirty. | ||
| This is what it is. | ||
| So I got the offer on the fight on 24 hours notice. | ||
| I'm fucking dirty. | ||
| I'm nervous as shit. | ||
| It's affliction. | ||
| The big affliction show is my biggest show. | ||
| And I'm going, what am I going to do? | ||
| I'm so scared. | ||
| My coach at the time, he's like, well, let's go get high. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| He's like, yeah. | ||
| So we go in the car. | ||
| We smoke this weed. | ||
| And it's the most dynamic weed I ever had at the time. | ||
| I'm high on my fucking mind right before the fight. | ||
| I'm fighting Dolezal. | ||
| I have one of the craziest interests ever. | ||
| I literally started all this show shit. | ||
| I used to bring the show before the fight. | ||
| I break out the crowd. | ||
| I'm running up the crowd. | ||
| I run up the stairs. | ||
| I get them all up. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| They don't even know who I am. | ||
| I click the fight on 24 hours notice. | ||
| I'm not even going to... | ||
| Name on the card or none of the posters or any promotion. | ||
| I'm getting them riled up. | ||
| I run down these stairs and I run up the next stairs on the other side of the stadium. | ||
| Get up! | ||
| We're at the Anaheim Pond. | ||
| Get up! | ||
| Let's go! | ||
| Slapping hands and stuff. | ||
| I'm running back down and the camera crew stops me. | ||
| They go, hey! | ||
| Stop, stop, stop! | ||
| We're not recording. | ||
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Oh no. | |
| I'm like, what? | ||
| All out of breath. | ||
| What? | ||
| Like, that was awesome. | ||
|
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What? | |
| What do you mean? | ||
| They take me back behind the curtains and they want me to do it again. | ||
|
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No. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm like, you can't do it again. | ||
| It's not the fucking same. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| It's not the same. | ||
| It's not going to be like it's supposed to. | ||
| So I just come out, do the whatever. | ||
| So now I'm fighting Dan. | ||
| Me and Dan are fighting and Dan doesn't know me. | ||
| And I can tell Dan's got this... | ||
| This fear about me. | ||
| You know, I'm sorry to say it. | ||
| I don't want to talk about race like that, but there's some gentlemen, white guys, that... | ||
| They don't understand us black guys exactly, you know? | ||
| And I've been in all cultures, like my dad's white, so I've been in every culture. | ||
| I know what white guys think, I know what messing guys think, I know what black guys think, you know? | ||
| Because I've been in the cultures. | ||
| So I can see it on his face, you know? | ||
| He's like, fuck, I gotta fight this nigga. | ||
| So I'm bringing all the nigga shit to him. | ||
| They ask me what my style is, I tell them hood. | ||
| They're like, well what is that, you know? | ||
| So I wanted to throw him off purposely. | ||
| I don't want you to know I'm a boxer. | ||
| Because if I'm a boxer, then you're going to take me down and do jiu-jitsu. | ||
| If I say jiu-jitsu, you're going to stand up with me. | ||
| So, I'm just going to say hood. | ||
| It's street fighting. | ||
| They don't know what it is. | ||
| Let them figure it out. | ||
| We fight Dan. | ||
| We're fighting. | ||
| I'm beating him up. | ||
| And then I give him a low blow. | ||
| He takes the full five minutes. | ||
| Full five minutes. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| But I'm high as shit that we took three. | ||
| It was three low blows. | ||
| One of them, I'll give him one. | ||
| The other two, fake as fuck because Dan doesn't want to fight. | ||
| So Tito's the announcer. | ||
| Tito's like, this guy is fucking, he's fucking acting like a motherfucker. | ||
| Like literally one of them, my toe touches his hip. | ||
| Literally his hip. | ||
| And he falls down. | ||
| So we took him 15 minutes in the first round. | ||
| It's been 15 minutes. | ||
| He takes a whole break. | ||
| I have no idea where time is. | ||
| I'm high as shit. | ||
| I'm talking to Donald Trump before he's president. | ||
| I'm talking to Oscar De La Hoya. | ||
| I'm like, what's up, guys? | ||
| I'm just high as shit. | ||
| In the middle of the fight. | ||
| In the middle of the fight. | ||
| Last fucking 10 seconds, he catches me in a choke. | ||
| Just being a rear naked. | ||
| Had I known where time was, I would have fucking pushed it through. | ||
| But if you don't tap in an MMA, you don't make money. | ||
| If you go out and go to sleep, you got a six-month suspension. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's the way it goes, and people don't understand that. | ||
| They're always like, go to sleep. | ||
| Why you didn't go to sleep? | ||
| You didn't be tough. | ||
| Like, no, I'm going to fight tomorrow. | ||
| I got another fight the next week. | ||
| I can't just let it go. | ||
| I want to be the tough guy and go out and fight it all the way out. | ||
| But if you do, you don't make no more money, and I got bills to do. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People don't understand that. | ||
| Go to sleep. | ||
| So when people tap, in a way, if you want to fight... | ||
| So if you tap, there's no suspension, right? | ||
| They give you a seven day. | ||
| Seven day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're fine, the doctor checks you out, seven days, you're cool. | ||
| You can go right back to work. | ||
| And I'm telling you, even though I got suspended when I actually got popped for weed, I had to fight under a whole new name to make money. | ||
| I can't be suspended. | ||
| That's a really good point about tapping out that I never really considered. | ||
| I didn't really consider that. | ||
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But that would encourage people to tap out. | |
| Because there's some guys that probably wouldn't. | ||
| You gotta flip the top of it. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| You gotta give me one of these, Joe. | ||
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These are fucking awesome. | |
| You can have that one. | ||
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Hell yeah. | |
| You can have it. | ||
| It's a cigar. | ||
| The back part cuts cigars. | ||
| By the way, I just gotta fucking say this real fast. | ||
| This is on my fucking bucket list, and thank you for having me, sir. | ||
| It's an honor, it's a blessing to be in your presence. | ||
| I've seen you from the beginning, fucking Joe. | ||
| I've seen you from the beginning. | ||
| I've seen you too, man. | ||
| You're a cool guy, Bobby. | ||
| To come to where you are now, that's fucking amazing, brother. | ||
| Who would have fucking known you'd be here? | ||
| Did you think you'd predict this? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| You know? | ||
| No, no one can. | ||
| And to be honest, you... | ||
| You don't even realize so many things that you're doing, that you're touching and doing. | ||
| For instance, I was talking to Schwab. | ||
| I'm like, you took Joe's blueprint. | ||
| He took your blueprint. | ||
| He's running your blueprint. | ||
| Without being the fighter, but he's running your blueprint where, okay, fighting went out the door, what's next for us? | ||
| What are we going to do next? | ||
| Joe took your blueprint, I mean, show up, and he's running it. | ||
| He's doing a great job with his shows and stuff, you know? | ||
| Well, I think everybody is just doing the same thing. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| We're all just, you know, having fun, having conversations, fucking around. | ||
| But who was doing it at Schwab's time? | ||
| What UFC fighters were going? | ||
| They were either working for the company or they're unheard of. | ||
| But Schwab was funny. | ||
| That was the thing. | ||
| He was always funny. | ||
| He was always a fun dude to hang out with. | ||
| He's silly. | ||
| He's a big, giant, silly dude. | ||
| You know, he's a good guy. | ||
| Good dude. | ||
| And when I would have him on podcasts, he was so fun to hang with. | ||
| And I was like, listen, man, you don't have to fight anymore. | ||
| You can make a living doing this. | ||
| I'm talking to him about a show right now I want to deal with him. | ||
| And I want to do some shit called The Sit Down. | ||
| The Sit Down? | ||
| I want to take fighters who've had beefs. | ||
| You know, we take the world's, the best beefs and see if we can get the two fighters in the same room. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Sit them down and let them, and let's speak. | ||
| Let's see if we can call a peace treaty and we can get these two men to say, I felt like you were doing this and you said this and this is why I said this. | ||
| Oh, we're cool. | ||
| I can understand where you came from. | ||
| Good, you know? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Do some shit like that and we go over the craziest beasts and stuff over time, you know? | ||
| It's my little show. | ||
| That's not a bad idea. | ||
| And... | ||
| Like, imagine if we got Nate and Conor in the room. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| You know? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Nate's like my cousin, so I think I can get Nate to do it, but Conor, I don't know about that far. | ||
| Do you think Triple G and Canelo could... | ||
| Do you think they could... | ||
| How well do they both speak English? | ||
| Could they have, like, a conversation where they were talking shit about each other? | ||
| I don't know, you gotta be careful what you say about Canelo. | ||
| You've seen what happened when you say motherfucker around him. | ||
| He took it like you fucked my mother, you know? | ||
| I think he was just looking for a reason to be. | ||
| No, bro, and some of my Mexican homies told me that. | ||
| But he's called people motherfucker too. | ||
| Some people take it like a lot of, what do you call it, like paisa Mexicans and stuff. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| They take it that way, like, oh, we say motherfucker, you mean like fuck my mother. | ||
| Oh, I see, I see. | ||
| He took it like that, oh, don't you say about my mom? | ||
| And he just flipped. | ||
| It's really saying, are you okay, you fucker? | ||
| To us, in our communication. | ||
| Does Canelo speak English very well? | ||
| You tell me, sir. | ||
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I don't follow much on that end. | |
| We're in our realm. | ||
| I got enough going on in our UFC thing. | ||
| We're still trying to build this up. | ||
| They're getting millions of dollars. | ||
| We're still working on that. | ||
| Fuck those guys. | ||
| Fuck those guys. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| It's MMA. It's MMA versus boxing. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Because they've been shitting on us for years and disrespecting us. | ||
| And we win all the time. | ||
| But boxing is a necessary art. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| To see it at the highest level, like as a person who likes striking. | ||
| My favorite sport is boxing. | ||
| For hands, it's like those guys are on such a different level. | ||
| It's when you add all the other stuff like kicking and takedowns. | ||
| You're never going to get someone who's as pure a boxer. | ||
| They're going to be athletic, they're going to be powerful, but to be able to compete with a guy like Mayweather who's just so tuned into it. | ||
| They call me the Mayweather of MMA, that we have similar styles. | ||
| You have a very unusual style, Bobby. | ||
| I really like the way you fight because your shit comes out of nowhere. | ||
| Your hands are down a lot and you're super accurate. | ||
| And it's a hard style to gauge because a lot of guys are looking for things that are coming from a high guard. | ||
| I mean, it's a good defensive place to be. | ||
| But you've been able to pull it off with movement and And just great timing. | ||
| But that style that you have, it's really interesting because... | ||
| Fighting is an art. | ||
| It is an art, man. | ||
| I wanted you to see it. | ||
| I call my style poetry in motion. | ||
| I want you to see it and check this poetry that I'm going to do for you. | ||
| You go to a poetry slam and they did a little snaps and stuff. | ||
| Watch this show. | ||
| I'm going to do for y'all. | ||
| And I'm in here to the point where I'm in the fight, but I'm in the crowd watching it from here and trying to give you what it is from the outside you want to see. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, so style is big for me. | ||
| Style is so big. | ||
| So you're an entertainer as well as a fighter. | ||
| You're entertaining with your style. | ||
| What product are we selling? | ||
| I tell all my young fighters, what product are you selling? | ||
| We're all selling a product. | ||
| We're selling podcasts. | ||
| And no one's doing it like you. | ||
| That's why you're the number one. | ||
| What product are you selling? | ||
| What makes you different from the next guy? | ||
| What makes your podcast different? | ||
| What makes your fighting style different? | ||
| So I took all the things that people were saying you can't do. | ||
| You can't put your hands down. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I broke all the rules. | ||
| And as long as you know the rule sets and you know what comes with that, then you can take those risks. | ||
| Do you remember watching Vitaly Klitschko fight? | ||
| You ever watch him fight? | ||
| Klitschko? | ||
| I get them confused. | ||
| I don't know which one is which. | ||
| I know they're both really good with that jab, though. | ||
| Yeah, both really good with the jab. | ||
| Vladimir had a more traditional style. | ||
| Vitaly would keep his hands down a lot. | ||
| He fought a very awkward style, but he had big power. | ||
| You know who I got it from? | ||
| I got the hands down from? | ||
| Who? | ||
| I take little pieces and stuff like, so I got the shoulder roll from Floyd Mayweather. | ||
| I took the hands down from Sergio Martinez. | ||
| I don't know if you know who that is. | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| Hands down, you know? | ||
| Oh yeah, Sergio Martinez. | ||
| He stood out to me. | ||
| Right away, I'm like, he just stood out to me. | ||
| I gravitated toward his style. | ||
| I'm like, that's it right there. | ||
| Didn't he had like a knee injury that eventually kind of fucked him up, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He was a soccer player. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, those guys can fucking move, man. | ||
| So was Aldo. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When you play that, man, that's just a sprinting game. | ||
| You're just sprinting over there and sprinting over there. | ||
| Aldo's kick was so fast. | ||
| You couldn't even stop it so fast. | ||
| It's like a jab. | ||
| Dude, Uriah Favors is one of the toughest fucking human beings that's ever lived. | ||
| I've been through that. | ||
| I know what you're talking about. | ||
| I've been through that. | ||
| I didn't understand it until I've been through it. | ||
| I fought Barbosa. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| He kicked the muscle off of my leg. | ||
| It literally detached and rolled up, and I didn't know it. | ||
| I couldn't walk for like a week or two, and I was just smoking, getting high, and then finally it just went away, and I was like, all right, cool, let's get the next fight going. | ||
| And so I was getting ready to fight somebody, and I think, no, it was an owl. | ||
| So I'm getting ready to fight somebody, and I'm like, Coach, there's a hole in my leg, you know? | ||
| And he's like, maybe we should get you—let's just go look at it, you know? | ||
| They go, you need emergency surgery right now. | ||
| Like, there are things—it's going to—they stuck like that, so they had to literally go and reattach it back down. | ||
| Kicked it off. | ||
| Luckily, you got it fixed. | ||
| Because sometimes people have those big-time hamstring pulls, like rips. | ||
| I know a dude who had a really badly damaged hamstring, and he didn't get it fixed, and his leg was never the same again. | ||
| He could have gotten it fixed right afterwards. | ||
| He could have got it reattached, but he didn't. | ||
| He just tried to tough it out, or maybe he just thought the surgery wasn't necessary or something like that, but it always fucked with him. | ||
| So I'm trying to explain to people like the early days where you could just go to a gym and find an image. | ||
| It wasn't like that. | ||
| You find a jujitsu gym here, you find this boxing gym, you find these wrestlers over here and you have to piece things together. | ||
| You just didn't go to a gym and find everything, you know? | ||
| And the coaches, the coaches were weird and strange, and you had to go and find out, oh, he's just a car salesman. | ||
| I had to tell that to some of my fighters. | ||
| They're a car salesman. | ||
| They're going to tell you, oh, you look good. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're just fucking selling you a car, you know? | ||
| They're not actually helping you. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| You want a teacher. | ||
| Now, after the Dan Lazon fight, I got choked out. | ||
| And I'm now going, I don't know if this coach has got the best... | ||
| Well, if you get me high before a fight, you're probably not going to be the best for me, you know? | ||
| You probably don't got the best, you know? | ||
| If you're going to get me high before a fight... | ||
| As a general rule. | ||
| As a general rule. | ||
| That was it for me. | ||
| I was like, all right. | ||
| So then I left, and that's where I met my dad. | ||
| And I talk in his gym. | ||
| I'm going and doing jujitsu. | ||
| And from the one class, he called me after. | ||
| He called me, and he's like, what are you taking? | ||
| I'm like, what do you mean? | ||
| He's like, well, like... | ||
| Your supplements. | ||
| What is supplements? | ||
| I don't even know what it was. | ||
| It's like, you know, BCAs and stuff like that. | ||
| He brought me a whole care package. | ||
| And I started seeing this coach had a different love. | ||
| He actually cared for the fighter. | ||
| He actually was making sure your health and what are you doing? | ||
| Like my dad's always told me, it's not what you do in the case, it's what you do out. | ||
| You know? | ||
| He's like, you're so talented, you do this stuff in the cage, but I'm worried about what you're doing in the streets. | ||
| If you're going to get locked up, if you're going to get all these different situations, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm trying to walk you down this pathway of me going from coach and figuring out how to do this fighting thing. | ||
| It was hard at first. | ||
| It was rough, you know? | ||
| And so when I meet my dad, we finally started getting some stability. | ||
| But I'm still a knucklehead. | ||
| I've been with that old coach. | ||
| He'd have to come literally find me. | ||
| I'd be at this girl's house or this girl's house, and he'd go find... | ||
| Like, I had this saying, my mama couldn't find me if she wanted to. | ||
| My mom couldn't find me if she wanted to. | ||
| Nobody could find me. | ||
| Because why? | ||
| I'm a foster kid, and I got eight families. | ||
| I got three Mexican families. | ||
| I got two white families. | ||
| I got two black families over here. | ||
| So I'll just be staying at their house one day, and I'll stay at this over here. | ||
| I'll come over here and fuck with them. | ||
| And so I'm everywhere, and you can never find me. | ||
| But he knew the places. | ||
| So he'd go by. | ||
| And next you know, knocking on the window, and I'd be in bed with some girl, like, fuck! | ||
| He's hitting me for practice, tell him I'm not here! | ||
| Come in the room, come on, let's go to practice. | ||
| And he just forced me to jiu-jitsu, forced me to jiu-jitsu. | ||
| And I became pretty good, and I started liking it a little bit. | ||
| I hate jiu-jitsu, but I like it a little bit. | ||
| And so, from there, I built this bond with this dude. | ||
| I'm 21 years old. | ||
| He's teaching me about how to raise a kid and all this different life. | ||
| And now, I got this, like, father figure. | ||
| Your coach is supposed to help you not only with in the cage stuff, but outside the stuff. | ||
| Like, when I tell my fighters now, first thing I do, I meet a new guy, I make him spar right away. | ||
| Right away, I put him in the heat of battle, in the most heat he could possibly stand. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because I want to know about his personality. | ||
| In fighting, you get to learn about people's personalities. | ||
| They tell you who they are. | ||
| They either give up, they're going to quit, they're going to rise to the occasion, they're going to fight back. | ||
| I need to learn about your personality. | ||
| And then that tells me about everything. | ||
| So I got certain guys, they'll get hit and they'll go and start going hard with another guy. | ||
| I'm like, what's going on? | ||
| Oh, he hit me! | ||
| And it's a communication barrier. | ||
| Oh, he's been through some things. | ||
| Something that's deep dark in his past that he's dealing with that he's bringing into MMA. It's, oh, you were trying to... | ||
| And when we actually break it down, he felt like you were trying to hurt me. | ||
| And it's a mechanism he's using to... | ||
| Combat that he's been doing all his life. | ||
| So fighting shows personalities, you know? | ||
| So I'm meeting with my dad. | ||
| He's getting me through all these different mentals and stuff. | ||
| We're starting to get all this momentum. | ||
| We're getting this gym. | ||
| We're building up. | ||
| We're getting all these new fighters. | ||
| I'm getting on this roll. | ||
| And then he gets locked up. | ||
| He goes to prison. | ||
| My dad never had any offenses, never did anything, never been in any jail time. | ||
| We were selling a car. | ||
| No, we were buying a car. | ||
| We're buying this car. | ||
| He's like, hey, I want to buy this Mercedes. | ||
| Can you drive the truck down and you'll drive the truck back and I'll drive the Mercedes. | ||
| I'm like, cool. | ||
| He's like, oh, it's in San Diego. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| So we go down there. | ||
| We meet this guy. | ||
| No, no, we meet this girl. | ||
| She doesn't even speak English. | ||
| So he gives her the ID. He gives her a cashier's check. | ||
| And he goes to test drive the car. | ||
| While he's going to get in the car, the woman takes off. | ||
| She takes off. | ||
| And while he gets in the car, he notices the mileage is not the same. | ||
| So if we're buying a car and it's 10,000 more mileage, that changes the price on things now. | ||
| So he goes, the girl's gone. | ||
| What the fuck, you know? | ||
| So he's going through the paperwork. | ||
| He finds the owner, calls the owner. | ||
| Some guy comes. | ||
| We talk to him. | ||
| We explain it to him. | ||
| He said, we're going to fix it. | ||
| We go back home. | ||
| Maybe three, four weeks go by. | ||
| The guy's not answering. | ||
| Doesn't want to get my dad back his money. | ||
| We gave him back the car. | ||
| He's kept the car and the money. | ||
| So, next you know, my dad's like, fuck, like, he's ignoring me, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| We need to go down and we need to go over here and talk to him. | ||
| So I'm like, I can tell where this is going. | ||
| I'm like, alright dad, we're going to go down and we're going to talk to him. | ||
| We need to be cool tongues. | ||
| We need to talk with no heat in our tongues. | ||
| He goes, why? | ||
| He's already got the car. | ||
| He's already got the money. | ||
| You're pretty much fucked because you give him a cashier's check. | ||
| It's just like cash. | ||
| You can't get it back. | ||
| We're already fucked so let's just try to be cool. | ||
| So, I don't know why I think God made this all happen for some reason. | ||
| So, we go down to this guy's house. | ||
| It's me, my dad, and a Mexican guy. | ||
| And we're driving up there by the coincidence, like he's in this gated community. | ||
| And so, by coincidence, somebody else is driving in, the gate opens, we drive right behind them. | ||
| Go in, you know? | ||
| We find his house, we pull it to the house, we look in the house, we look right here. | ||
| But he has another gate and cameras and stuff to actually go to his house. | ||
| So we're like, if we ring the doorbell and tell him to come, he's going to see us, and he's not going to come, he's not going to answer it, he's not going to give us our money, he's going to ignore us. | ||
| So, by coincidence, the pizza man comes up. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Just have to be pulling up. | ||
| So we walk up right at the same time the pizza man's coming. | ||
| Now, I told my dad, have a cool tongue. | ||
| Be cool about it. | ||
| But he's been already feeling like this guy's ignoring me. | ||
| He already knows. | ||
| His feeling's up. | ||
| It's a scheme. | ||
| This guy's playing me on my money. | ||
| Somehow they're running some scheme where they sell cars and they do this little weird thing. | ||
| And so we go in. | ||
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We're talking to the people. | |
| We're trying to talk it out. | ||
| All of a sudden, the guy's saying, oh, I don't got the money. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He don't know anything. | ||
| They're yelling back and forth. | ||
| My dad and this guy are yelling back and forth. | ||
| Now I see a situation that's loud. | ||
| We're in this white area. | ||
| I don't already know what's going on. | ||
| Police are going to get caught. | ||
| So I'm like, hey, calm it down, you know. | ||
| Let you know, my dad headbusts the guy. | ||
| Now it's went, and it's getting real serious. | ||
| I'm like, fuck. | ||
| Holy fuck. | ||
| I'm trying to comment. | ||
| Diffuse the situation. | ||
| Diffuse it, you know? | ||
| Hey, look, we know you got the money. | ||
| We gave you the money. | ||
| Just give him his money. | ||
| You got the car. | ||
| Let's just go our way, guys. | ||
| You know, let's just cool it down. | ||
| So he's like, all right, I got the money. | ||
| It's in the house. | ||
| Before he didn't have the money. | ||
| Now he's got the money. | ||
| It's in the house. | ||
| But we don't want to go in the house. | ||
| We're like, we're going in the house. | ||
| It can be sticky. | ||
| But we don't go in the house. | ||
| He's going to lock the door. | ||
| And we're stuck outside. | ||
| And we don't get the money. | ||
| And you can call the police. | ||
| So we're in this weird position. | ||
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Where do you go? | |
| You go left or you go right? | ||
| All right, fuck it. | ||
| We're going to go in. | ||
| Just don't touch anything. | ||
| Let's just get the money. | ||
| We're going to go in and go out. | ||
| All right, so we go in. | ||
| I forgot to mention, there was a kid there. | ||
| When my dad headbutted the kid, the kid was there. | ||
| He started crying. | ||
| So, the kid doesn't know. | ||
| He wasn't there at the time, but he just hears a yelling. | ||
| So, he comes out. | ||
| All he knows is his dad went outside for pizza, and now he hears a yelling about some money. | ||
| So, the kid goes, I'll give you the money. | ||
| I'll give you the money. | ||
| We're like, what? | ||
| Like, he thinks it's about this, so we all want to go inside. | ||
| In a diffuse situation, we go inside. | ||
| They go inside. | ||
| We get the money, basically. | ||
| There's a lot of other stuff that happens in the house. | ||
| A lot of crazy stuff. | ||
| Basically, we find out he's running a scheme. | ||
| He has my dad's ID. He's looking us up. | ||
| He finds out that, like, when we walked right in the house, he closed the laptop. | ||
| And my dad was the only person that caught it. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| He's like, what were you doing? | ||
| And I started arguing about that. | ||
| And I'm trying to defuse him again. | ||
| Guys, like, let's just get the money. | ||
| But when he opened up the laptop, he had my dad's photocopy of his ID. He was looking up his address, looking up his gym, and all this different stuff, right? | ||
| I'm going to tie you into it later on, why this is important. | ||
| And so... | ||
| They're arguing about that. | ||
| I defuse them. | ||
| My dad goes and talks to the kid. | ||
| He calms the kid down. | ||
| Listen, this is what happened. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| So I'm over there with the other guy. | ||
| I'm talking to him. | ||
| George, let's just get the money. | ||
| Let's get this done. | ||
| We can get it back our way. | ||
| We get the money. | ||
| We leave. | ||
| My dad's going to go to Atlanta and open a gym. | ||
| This is like now a month or two later. | ||
| He goes to Atlanta. | ||
| Somewhere, they stop him. | ||
| A whole bunch of security. | ||
| I mean, not security. | ||
| Cops. | ||
| Helicopters. | ||
| He's looking and he's seeing them come. | ||
| He's like, whoever they're finna go at, they're in trouble. | ||
| You know? | ||
| But he doesn't know that old boy went to the cops about this. | ||
| We got our money. | ||
| We shook hands. | ||
| We thinking it's okay. | ||
| Everybody's cool. | ||
| We're all cool. | ||
| We're like, man, we see that you're running some scheme. | ||
| You can do it as somebody else. | ||
| Don't play us. | ||
| Cool, but just go away, buddy. | ||
| We shake your hands. | ||
| We go away. | ||
| Two months later, he gets arrested now. | ||
| So he's arrested in Atlanta. | ||
| He deals with all this. | ||
| They're trying to give him 157 years or something like that. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Kidnapping. | ||
| So we find out the laws. | ||
| Kidnapping is if you make somebody move within 15 feet in fear. | ||
| Not even within their own will. | ||
| Like if I yell at you right now, Joe, fuck you, what's up? | ||
| I was like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| And I made you go from here 15 feet within your own, that's kidnapping. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they hit him with a kidnapping charge, assault charge, burglary, robbery. | ||
| They're stacking the charges up, you know? | ||
| Is that true everywhere? | ||
| 15 feet is kidnapping? | ||
| Is that like a national thing? | ||
| You tell me, brother. | ||
| What can I find out? | ||
| We got Jamie. | ||
| We got Jamie. | ||
| We got the man Jamie over there. | ||
| I just found out with Jamie's face to the name. | ||
| Yeah, you just pulled up Jamie. | ||
| He's the fucking man. | ||
| So, we're doing that shit. | ||
| I'm now... | ||
| But that sounds crazy. | ||
| They lock him up. | ||
| I'm going, oh, fuck. | ||
| They locked him up. | ||
| I get scared of shit. | ||
| I know what's up. | ||
| You're guilty by association. | ||
| I didn't hit that man. | ||
| I didn't want no situation. | ||
| I don't want nothing to do with this. | ||
| I came to defuse the situation. | ||
| And now, I'm looked at him as an accomplice. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| To 157 years, I go in hiding. | ||
| And like I said to you earlier, can't nobody find me, not even my motherfucking mama, okay? | ||
| Nobody find me. | ||
| So, my dad's in prison. | ||
| He's trying to find me. | ||
| But he can't, he's like, bro, I can't, you got, I gotta be out in the streets to get to find him, you know? | ||
| He wants me to go and talk to the, and work this out. | ||
| He's got a lawyer, and he's got it all out, and he's working these things out. | ||
| They're trying to give him 157 years. | ||
| I'm scared. | ||
| I live by the pirate's code. | ||
| Like, we're black people, the pirate's code. | ||
| Whoever falls behind gets left behind. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And so, we all running, and whoever the police catch, they caught you, and you don't tell, and we get away. | ||
| Whoever gets away, if I get caught, I shut the fuck up, and it's just what it is. | ||
| And so, I don't, I'm not talking to my dad. | ||
| I had no contact with him. | ||
| I'm just, like, trying to stay away from it. | ||
| It's been about a year. | ||
| I've been having sleepless nights. | ||
| The Mexican guy's like, brother, like, we didn't do anything wrong. | ||
| We can't keep hiding. | ||
| We're not working. | ||
| We can't fight. | ||
| We can't do anything. | ||
| Like, we're just scared, you know? | ||
| And he's like, we gotta do what we need to do. | ||
| We gotta go back to living. | ||
| So I start talking to his wife, my dad's wife, and getting in contact with him and what's going on. | ||
| Turns out they were gonna give him 157 years, but he hired a private investigator, followed that guy around. | ||
| Turns out that guy was meeting with the judge and the DA at a golf course to his case. | ||
| It's a conflict of interest, you know? | ||
| And so he was able to show that. | ||
| They gave him two years. | ||
| First offense, never did nothing. | ||
| Never been in prison, jail, nothing like that. | ||
| And now he's got to go to prison, you know? | ||
| And he's dealing with a wildlife. | ||
| I wanted him to tell you the story about all this stuff that he had to go through and Where we... | ||
| Is that why you brought him here? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| I wanted him to... | ||
| See, I thought you... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I wanted him to explain all these different stuff so that... | ||
| Let's pause then. | ||
| Our relationship. | ||
| Let's pause. | ||
| We'll get him in here. | ||
| Okay, cool, cool. | ||
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Let's pause. | |
| I want to hear it. | ||
| We're going to pause. | ||
| We're going to bring him in. | ||
| Why don't you introduce your dad? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| First of all, I'm going to introduce my dad... | ||
| He's crazy, but I wouldn't be here without him. | ||
| I'm so thankful. | ||
| Loyalty's big for me, and we've been through this crazy journey, and it's so dope to have him here. | ||
| Jake Benny. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I appreciate just being a part of your story. | ||
| Well, he wanted to bring you in before. | ||
| He started telling me the story, and then he's like, we've got to bring him in, so you were out there. | ||
| That's why I messaged you. | ||
| I was like, can I bring my dad? | ||
| See, when you said, I thought you meant to the studio. | ||
| I didn't think you meant on the show. | ||
| Nah, we're going to get deep on this motherfucker. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm going to give you some real shit, Joe, because nobody else is going to give it to you like this. | ||
| I believe you, Bobby Green. | ||
| I meet my pop and shit, and he's got this crazy black guy in his gym, you know? | ||
| And the fighters that he had before, they were fighting once, twice a year, you know? | ||
| Here I come, and I'm like, I just had four fights last month. | ||
| Like, let's keep it rolling. | ||
| Like, let's fight. | ||
| And I wouldn't go to the gym unless he had a fight. | ||
| He'd always, like... | ||
| On me, trying to fucking make me stay at the gym. | ||
| And I'd always, and this was a battle for us, you know? | ||
| He'd have to come get me and force me. | ||
| So I'm so thankful that, like, that's why I call him my dad, is that a real father is somebody that takes the time to make it better, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| See something in you, bring it out of you. | ||
| Because I wouldn't, I'd be somewhere in the streets working a freaking warehouse job if it wasn't for him. | ||
| It's a hard gig to be a fighter, man. | ||
| For someone to have the kind of belief in you to be able to do that that he had, that for you at that time must have been one of the most special things, right? | ||
| It didn't at that time. | ||
| It didn't feel like it? | ||
| Not at that time. | ||
| It made sense later on, you know, because I didn't believe it. | ||
| Like, he would tell me, like, you're going to make a lot of money. | ||
| You're going to be this. | ||
| You're going to make belts. | ||
| So while he was pushing you, why were you resisting? | ||
| What were you thinking? | ||
| I was thinking about money. | ||
| I was thinking short term, like, hey, this stuff ain't paying enough. | ||
| I'm working a warehouse job. | ||
| I'm going to be leveling up in there. | ||
| I'm going to become a lead and then a manager. | ||
| I'm not going to be... | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I'm going to work up the ladder in the working environment. | ||
| Can you imagine if that's how you went? | ||
| You went that way? | ||
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He begged me. | |
| I would not allow that to happen. | ||
| All the time he begged me to quit my job. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| It's like a lot of coaches go through, you know, like they have these fighters to develop these intimate relationships with. | ||
| They talk to their wives about them, their families about them, their kids about them, you know what I mean? | ||
| Next thing you know, it's just they're part of the family, you know what I mean? | ||
| And he lived with us for a lot of his fights, you know, and that was really kind of how I Was able to keep the reins on him, to be honest with you. | ||
| For real. | ||
| Like, we'd get a fight, and I'd have to go find him, you know, and bring him to my house. | ||
| I told you that he had to go find me! | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| I'd take his keys from him, you know what I mean? | ||
| Take his car keys from him and shit. | ||
| And that way he'd only ride with me, you know? | ||
| So we'd just do two a day. | ||
| Wake me up, make me get up and go to kids' class. | ||
| After kids' class, then we got adult class, and then we got MMA's class. | ||
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Like... | |
| All this stuff. | ||
| I used to hate it. | ||
| But I realized at that point in time, that's where I really honed into my skills and I realized, oh, this is what it takes. | ||
| Be really zoned in and really do it. | ||
| Nothing else but it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so eventually you just gave in. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'd say it's probably... | ||
| For instance, I used to like... | ||
| He first like with the smoking. | ||
| He didn't... | ||
| He was against it, you know? | ||
| So you're like, well, fuck it. | ||
| Well, at least do this. | ||
| Can you give me 20 days clean before? | ||
| You know? | ||
| And I would give you like... | ||
| 15, and then it got to 20, and then I got a little better, I got 25, and I started, oh, this is, I saw the results in my fights. | ||
| Oh, you need to be clean. | ||
| You need your lungs. | ||
| I just talked to my boy Terence McKinney, and I was just like, he's like, Meryl, I'm one of your, I'm a big fan of you. | ||
| I'm like, I liked, I like, Rashad did it with me, big brother to this. | ||
| Hey, give him a little advice. | ||
| He hit me up and wanted to smoke with me right before the Islam fight. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| You smoke? | ||
| He's like, yeah, and he just went out there, smoked, and then smoked the guy. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I used to do that, too, brother. | ||
| Trust me, I used to smoke weed and beat guys, too. | ||
| But I realized at this level, you can't do it, big dog. | ||
| Come here. | ||
| Don't put that weed down. | ||
| Just focus on your craft, and then after you go party, you party hard, you know? | ||
| How different do you feel when you do 25 days of no weed? | ||
| Like, what's the difference? | ||
| It's so crazy, brother. | ||
| I was gonna get into that. | ||
| But how do you feel when you do that? | ||
| What's the difference? | ||
| How does he feel and how does everybody else feel? | ||
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That's what I'm gonna get into! | |
| Is that what the problem is? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Yeah, you get tense. | ||
| Detoxing. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| I don't know if it's detoxing, man. | ||
| I think marijuana is medicine for a lot of folks. | ||
| It's the blood. | ||
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It's the tobacco. | |
| I only smoke tobacco. | ||
| I mean, blends. | ||
| I don't smoke bungs. | ||
| Oh, so you became addicted to tobacco, too. | ||
| So now I'm... | ||
| That's heavy tobacco, too. | ||
| I thought it was the weed at first, you know? | ||
| And that's when I cut the weed out, and then I realized it's the tobacco on the weed. | ||
| That is the thing, man. | ||
| When I first got introduced to the blunt, I was like, what a brilliant thing. | ||
| But it's no high like it. | ||
| No high like it. | ||
| It's a different high. | ||
| It's a different high. | ||
| It's a high high. | ||
|
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Yes! | |
| It's not a, like, you... | ||
| The tobacco is a stimulant, I think? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| It's, um... | ||
| I know it's... | ||
| It's got cognitive benefits. | ||
| Tobacco enhances your thinking. | ||
| There's a lot of people that are writers that get addicted to smoking because it enhances their focus. | ||
| It does something to them. | ||
| Same thing with Jiu-Jitsu. | ||
| It makes you creative. | ||
| Them Autumn 10 Planet guys. | ||
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There's a lot of blunts involved in those positions. | |
| Get around and move. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now I meet the guy that I'm finding all the success with. | ||
| Who's this Bobby Green kid? | ||
| You know, we're killing shit. | ||
| We got belts, and we're putting our gym on the map. | ||
| All the fighters are starting to kind of gravitate in. | ||
| We're getting our momentum, and then he goes to jail. | ||
| And so... | ||
| Now that he went to prison, and I was breaking that down for him, Pop, is... | ||
| Yeah, so Bobby was telling us the story, and you said, like, what's your version of the story? | ||
| You know, one of the things I learned through this process, like he said, we didn't talk for a while, you know, like, there was some communication with him, but for the most part, like, the first six months, you know, it was like... | ||
| I was hiding! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're hiding. | ||
| So I got to hear the victim's perspective when I was in court. | ||
| Some of it was correct. | ||
| Some of it was a lie, a flat-out lie. | ||
| And then I got to hear Bobby's perspective eventually, and then the other kid's perspective, and then I lived what my perspective was, you know. | ||
| And about 80% of it is... | ||
| Is correct in all the ways, but there's always that 20% that's different. | ||
| You know, everybody else sees something different. | ||
| They feel something different, you know? | ||
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Right. | |
| Especially in a time of panic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the big problem. | ||
| Yeah, you don't see it all the same when we're all, oh, like somebody came shooting and like, oh, he had a red shirt. | ||
| No, he had a red stripe shirt. | ||
| He had a, you know? | ||
| That's a real problem with eyewitness testimony and those big crazy events, right? | ||
| Yeah, and I had to come to terms with the understanding of Of that. | ||
| When it happened to me and I went in and going through that whole process, you're really angry because what's happening is not what should have happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, Pop. | ||
| Tell them... | ||
| I want you to tell them the real shit. | ||
| I want you to tell them that shit. | ||
| The process of... | ||
| You've got to understand what it is for a person who's never been in jail, doesn't know the rules of jail, I mean a prison, doesn't know anything about that stuff and the life he went through. | ||
| He shared a lot of that stuff with me. | ||
| And I don't know how much he wants to share, but just... | ||
| But it's essentially a story of the legal system gone wrong, too, in your case. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Because you got fucked, you went to God, God gives you money, back, and then somehow or another you catch a case. | ||
| Who I said that like a rapper Like how did what the fuck is this like and like How does it keep your faith? | ||
| Like how do you how do you get through some something like that? | ||
| Well, you know you were wronged and somehow or another someone lied and Made it look like you did something you didn't yeah, so I mean, that's essentially the story, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a scam. | ||
| So I was able to, during this whole process, we were able to figure out this gentleman had fraud in Indiana. | ||
| He had fraud in Arizona. | ||
| So he's a scam artist. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Played basketball at Indiana University. | ||
| This guy's 6'9", 290 pounds. | ||
| And they didn't factor any of this in? | ||
| Bro, I'm in the preliminary area. | ||
| No, it's who calls first. | ||
| Yeah, it's in who calls first. | ||
| We didn't call the police. | ||
| We thought we shook hands on a gentleman thing and we're good. | ||
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Oh my God. | |
| He went and called the police. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| So, this guy... | ||
| Everything's documented in the court case, right? | ||
| So our incident took place, he went to go see his attorney the next day, then he went to the hospital, and then from the hospital back to his house, then a police report, and then that police report, then he goes back to his attorney, and it's like, he's just been coached this whole process. | ||
| And really what it came down to in my situation was, they wanted Bobby. | ||
| They wanted the nigga. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| The nigga from the IE. And I didn't do shit! | ||
| Even in the court paperwork, they have to write all this stuff down and they go present it to me. | ||
| I'm reading through all this stuff and it's multiple times in there. | ||
| We want the African American guy, the black guy, the black kid from San Bernardino. | ||
| And they wanted me to give up Bobby and this other kid that I had with me. | ||
| To get a better deal, right? | ||
| So they come with me all these years, and then they want the black guy. | ||
| So the stuff that happened inside the house when we walked into the house, this guy tried to do some sideways shit. | ||
| Things got all chaotic again in the house, and then I see all the stuff on the computer. | ||
| And it wasn't just me on the computer. | ||
| Like, he had a picture of my wife at the time on there, my kids' schools, where they went to school. | ||
| Like, this fucking guy had so much shit. | ||
| It was like, I wanted to just smash this guy, right, and just go. | ||
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Right. | |
| But that's not what happened. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, for the most part, everything was pretty level-headed. | ||
| And that's why I felt like when we left the situation, it was like, Okay, things are going to be okay. | ||
| But you did have that fear. | ||
| I said we should have called the cops. | ||
| Maybe that's why you had your information that you felt like that. | ||
| I stayed at his house for the next two weeks because we felt like he has his address, he has all this information on him. | ||
| I pull all my guns out, I put my shotgun in here, you know what I mean? | ||
| And I don't want to fucking live like that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| We had no intentions of any type of stuff like this for this situation to ever come about us. | ||
| Well, you just stumbled into a scam artist. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| It's insane that they can't... | ||
| And San Diego, the way it works is they have a 98, 97? | ||
| 96.8% conviction rate in the city of San Diego. | ||
| So if you... | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| If they catch you for something, you're going. | ||
| That means, okay, conviction rate means you're going to prison, not necessarily just county jail, right? | ||
| So their conviction rate is so high... | ||
| That if you get arrested in San Diego, 96, 97% of the time, you're going to catch a case. | ||
| We definitely got to Google this. | ||
| What's the conviction rate of San Diego? | ||
| That's crazy if true. | ||
| I'll file that under crazy if true. | ||
| That seems real high. | ||
| Unless they are so careful about arresting people. | ||
| Well, think about it like this, right? | ||
| So the city itself... | ||
| Okay, so in the paperwork it says they wanted the black guy because they don't want these IE thugs coming down to the great city of San Diego and harassing their residents. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Harassing their thieves? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They don't want this to become a fad where I'm telling my homies, hey, we just hit a lick and let's keep going down to San Diego, you know? | ||
| Some stupid shit like that. | ||
| So the incident takes place outside, and at the time, my understanding is they changed kidnapping in the penal code now. | ||
| So a few years ago they... | ||
| I wrote that already down. | ||
| I wrote the kidnapping shit down. | ||
| He was telling me that it's 15 feet? | ||
| Is that real? | ||
| I think it's 18 or 23 feet. | ||
| 23 feet. | ||
| So if you get someone to walk 23 feet against their will, that's kidnapping. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so he gets on the stand at the preliminary hearing and says, I moved 23 feet from the front of my driveway to the front of the house. | ||
| That's 23 feet. | ||
| So because he got on the stand and said that, now the jurors have to hold this law to its highest standard. | ||
| It took an oath to hold the law to its highest standard. | ||
| And if they just decide, oh, no, this guy's innocent. | ||
| Like, this is a fucked up situation, whatever. | ||
| This guy's whatever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then the juror gets charged with obstruction of justice. | ||
| That carries two to four years imprisonment, I believe. | ||
| So what juror is going to stand up for me to not go to prison to say, hey, no, this is wrong, We're giving this guy kidnapping, but this is not kidnapping. | ||
| But in our penal code, this is what it reads. | ||
| If your victim moves willingly on his own good will and says he's in fear for his life more than 18 feet or 23 feet, that's kidnapping. | ||
| Don't even have to touch him. | ||
| So they stacked these four charges up because of the kid and him. | ||
| So I had four counts of kidnapping, which was two that carry in an L and then two with the possibility of parole. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, and then you start stacking up all these other charges, and all these years start adding up, right? | ||
| And then all of a sudden you're facing something that you don't even know how to fight it. | ||
| You don't know how to fight it. | ||
| The system's too big. | ||
| It just swallows you up, you know? | ||
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Wow. | |
| So, tell him how you felt when you saw them years. | ||
| Man, I just... | ||
| It was unreal. | ||
| I just broke down, dude. | ||
| He said he was crying all over the paperwork that he couldn't even sign it. | ||
| That they had to go print another one out. | ||
| So they brought me this deal, right? | ||
| Okay, so they come to me. | ||
| We're going to jury selection. | ||
| And they come to me and say, okay, we'll give you 10 years with 85 and a strike if you sign today. | ||
| And I'm like, what the fuck, man? | ||
| Like, my attorneys are all telling me to sign this paperwork, right? | ||
| And I just couldn't get myself to do it, man. | ||
| Like, part of the problem here was the main problem. | ||
| One, I feel like I go in 10 years, I'm never going to get out. | ||
| I'm a first-termer. | ||
| I got to go in. | ||
| I got to put work in. | ||
| And you're going to catch more time. | ||
| So it's really hard to get out of the system if you're going to be in there that long. | ||
| So when all this stuff went down, they bring me the deal. | ||
| The deal is 10 years at 85. And I'm looking at it, and my attorneys are like, you got to sign it. | ||
| You got to sign it. | ||
| And I just couldn't, you know, like I couldn't bring myself to say that I was a thief. | ||
| So they want me to put on paper and document that I'm a thief. | ||
| They want me to take a deal, robbery, 2-11, with a strike, you know? | ||
| Great bodily injury, all this stuff. | ||
| I'm like, no, I didn't do that. | ||
| That's not my character. | ||
| Like, I can't say that I'm a thief because I despise thieves, you know? | ||
| That's part of what broke me, you know? | ||
| Here's what I feel like I can stand up for as a man, right? | ||
| Like, you think, oh, I'll handle myself this way in this situation. | ||
| I would do it like this, you know? | ||
| You ain't never been in that situation where you got your whole life changing. | ||
| And then you face those. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You face those things. | ||
| Like, oh, you're innocent. | ||
| Fucking go to trial. | ||
| Yeah, but if you lose... | ||
| What? | ||
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What? | |
| Like, they set it up that it's not going to be a victory like that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And you were saying the percentage was... | ||
| What was it? | ||
| I think it was 96%. | ||
| This is the most I could find from 2017. 94%. | ||
| That's so high. | ||
| And at my time, it was 96.8 when I went in. | ||
| That's so high. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It says, oh, San Diego County District Attorney's Office has a felony conviction rate of 94%. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Well, if they were, like, the best police ever, and everybody was telling the truth at all times, and there's no mistakes made. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| These are perfect. | ||
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Dude. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Man, these guys are so crooked, bro. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I want to talk about this. | ||
| I want to get to this, but this fits in here. | ||
| Do you know that whole story about the staircase? | ||
| There was some conviction where the father was convicted of throwing someone... | ||
| Yeah, it was a documentary. | ||
| Or the husband, rather, was convicted of pushing the wife down the stairs. | ||
| They think now this is a possibility that she might have been attacked by an owl. | ||
| That was part of the... | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
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Yeah, that's not new. | |
| It isn't? | ||
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No. | |
| I think that might be the end of the documentary. | ||
| I was just reading this article about it. | ||
| It was just out. | ||
| I'm pretty sure somebody sent me an old article. | ||
| They found microscopic owl feathers in her hair. | ||
| And they found holes that could have been talon marks, I believe. | ||
| I don't want to fuck this up. | ||
| Because I was reading it. | ||
| What happened to him is the question. | ||
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2018, this came out. | |
| Is that it? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| So it's an old story. | ||
| You've been doing time? | ||
| Somebody sent it to me and I didn't look at the date. | ||
| But anyway, this fucking owl might have killed this lady. | ||
| The owl hit her head, apparently, with the talons, and apparently she had been out drinking and having a good time, and here it is. | ||
| According to the theory, the events of the night unfold like this. | ||
| This is just a theory. | ||
| Kathleen Peterson was outside the couple's home at night while her husband was down by their pool. | ||
| An owl, likely a barrel owl. | ||
| Let's say that ten times fast. | ||
| A bared owl swooped down and attacked Kathleen on her head, causing the lacerations police found later. | ||
| Yes, owls do attack humans. | ||
| We'll get into that later. | ||
| Kathleen then ran inside to escape the owl, which had ripped out chunks of her hair. | ||
| Pine needles were also found in her hands, along with microscopic feathers. | ||
| Drops of blood were found on the front steps, and the door had blood smeared on it, indicating that whatever happened, it wasn't totally confined to the staircase. | ||
| And continuing with the theory, Kathleen at this point attempted to go upstairs where she slipped and fell. | ||
| Toxicology reports found traces of anti-anxiety medication, muscle relaxants, and alcohol combined with an owl attack. | ||
| Getting up a long flight of stairs is far from a straightforward proposal. | ||
| The theory posits that she slipped and fell, causing the injuries that ultimately led to her death. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Which is, it sounds like... | ||
| It's far-fetched. | ||
| It doesn't sound that far-fetched if there's blood on her hand and she's bleeding in front of the steps and she's got her own blood on the door, opening the door. | ||
| She's already been hit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| She checked it already. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I thought you said something like... | ||
| Did he do time? | ||
| That's what I'm trying to find out what happened again. | ||
| No, not dad. | ||
| I'm sorry, the husband. | ||
| I think that was the guy who got convicted for it, right? | ||
| And then they let him out. | ||
| There was a mistrial. | ||
| I believe that's the story behind it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I haven't watched that documentary though, so I might be fucking this up. | ||
| Yeah, that's what. | ||
| Imagine if your wife got killed by a fucking owl though, that is so crazy. | ||
| But I'm just trying to figure out, from the husband's point of view, they thought it was him? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
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What? | |
| Your wife got killed by an owl and you get unfairly pegged as the killer. | ||
| That's the thing, man. | ||
| You realize that system is not perfect. | ||
| I've met a lot of pretty good people in here, believe it or not. | ||
| A lot of veterans, man. | ||
| A lot of veterans in there. | ||
| A lot of people have drug issues more so, you know? | ||
| Issues there mentally that are happening with Lentzim in prison, you know? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Drug problems. | ||
| Yeah, and that's the big part of the homeless problem as well. | ||
| Drug problems, mental health problems, lack of mental health institutions. | ||
| That's why you came to Texas, huh? | ||
| You said, hey, I'm not here. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| No. | ||
| The money. | ||
| It was the big thing coming to Texas was they don't tell you what to do. | ||
| There was a thing about California stopping people from doing shows, stopping people from doing stand-up, even outside. | ||
| They wouldn't let them have outside shows for a while. | ||
| It didn't make any sense. | ||
| The Comedy Store was trying to do shows outside. | ||
| They were like, no, no shows outside. | ||
| We don't want any shows. | ||
| I'm loving Texas, brother. | ||
| It's nice. | ||
| It's so nice. | ||
| People are friendly. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Even the white guys, you know? | ||
| And my coach told me some shit. | ||
| He was like, uh, Durant, he was like, it's because they got guns on them. | ||
| They ain't worried about nothing, you know? | ||
| Back in California, you can't carry it. | ||
| That's an unfortunate reality. | ||
| That old expression of well-armed society is a polite society. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Really, unfortunately, it's true. | ||
| Because you know where it can go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It ain't no fight. | ||
| He's going for the gun. | ||
| Well, a friend of mine once said we were out to dinner with fighters post UFC and he was like, dude, I've met like 10 fighters from you. | ||
| He goes, they're all the nicest guys. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, because they have nothing to prove. | ||
| They have nothing to prove. | ||
| They're not puffing up their chest like a rooster and walking around wanting people to respect them. | ||
| They don't give a fuck. | ||
| They're tired from training. | ||
| They just want to chill and relax. | ||
| They have no, I need to prove I'm the baddest motherfucker in the room in them. | ||
| They have zero of it. | ||
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They already know. | |
| Our egos aren't there. | ||
| You don't like that. | ||
| Especially guys who do MMA because there's going to be an area where you don't excel. | ||
| Okay, okay, okay, so you're hitting on something. | ||
| I have to explain this to a lot of my niggas. | ||
| When they first wanted to come to MMA, a lot of black dudes got egos, and I have to tell them, listen, it's different in this world. | ||
| I know in the streets, you feel bad, somebody say something, you feel like you could talk, but in here, we're just going on the mat and solve it. | ||
| And it's the difference in the world. | ||
| If we know who's the big fish and we know who's the small fish, we've seen you and you can't hide behind words. | ||
| We've seen you being awkward. | ||
| That's what I told you earlier about fighting is your personality. | ||
| We've seen you in your most vulnerable. | ||
| We've seen you be hurt. | ||
| We've seen you like, ugh, you gave up. | ||
| We saw you be tired and have nothing left. | ||
| You're at your most vulnerable. | ||
| Well, with a lot of young guys that are really tough, there's a moment where you realize when you start training with people that are on an elite level, they start seeing, like, oh my god, I'm getting lit up. | ||
| Like, you've got to realize who you really are, like, in the food chain. | ||
| And some guys can accept that, and they become more technical, and they get better, and some guys, they're like, it's too much. | ||
| Like, to have to get... | ||
| They quit. | ||
| Yeah, to get to where, you know, Dos Anjos, who you talked about earlier, to get to where that guy is, I mean, that guy has been putting in work for a long fucking time. | ||
| I was thinking that while I was watching the Moikano fight. | ||
| I was like, he has been putting in work for a long fucking time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Way... | |
| He's a real fighter. | ||
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Dude. | |
| A real fighter. | ||
| McConnell called me out. | ||
| Did he really? | ||
| Yeah, and I just wanted to tell him, hey, I acknowledge you, I hear you. | ||
| All the guys that called me out, like I get a list now, now that I'm somebody in somebody's eyes. | ||
| Just wait until after this show. | ||
| And they're like calling me out and stuff. | ||
| I'm like, hey, I just want you guys to know, I acknowledge you, I hear you, and I would love to fight you. | ||
| But again, I have bosses, they make the fights, so whoever they pick is who I fight. | ||
| But I want you to acknowledge you because I felt like before this little bubble, I would call guys out and they wouldn't give you the acknowledgement, you know? | ||
| Like, the first person who ever said my name, and I made this in my book, it's like, I mean, I write it now, I was like, if you say my name, I'm gonna fight you. | ||
| I'm gonna get you, you know? | ||
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Like Candyman. | |
| Yeah, you say my name, I shall appear, you know? | ||
| And so Tony called my name, but I was number six in the world at the time. | ||
| Before Tony had his rise, and he called, he wanted to fight me, I'm like, I accept it, I acknowledge, I gave you that opportunity. | ||
| Now it's flipped. | ||
| And I'm like, hey, Tony, you wanted that fight. | ||
| How about that fight? | ||
| No answer. | ||
| Crickets. | ||
| He's showing me he's seeing it, like even messaging him, but he's not answering. | ||
| Oh, come on now. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| Give me my acknowledgement, you know? | ||
| Give me the acknowledgement. | ||
| Acknowledge me as a man. | ||
| The only person that acknowledged me, and I had to tell him, was the Irish Dragon. | ||
| Felder. | ||
| Felder. | ||
| I was like, hey, Felder, I appreciate your acknowledgement. | ||
| You know, you at least let me know I'm in the room. | ||
| You see me, you respect me, and hey, go do this or do that, or maybe we'll fight. | ||
| At least acknowledgement. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Felder's a great guy. | ||
| He is a great guy. | ||
| I love doing commentary with him this past weekend. | ||
| He's a sweetheart of a guy. | ||
| I hated that he's getting picked on a little bit by some of the guys, you know, with the commentary, like... | ||
| It's hard, man. | ||
| It's your thinking in real time. | ||
| You're thinking in real time in the middle of fights. | ||
| They ain't joke! | ||
| No, I'm fucking up too, man. | ||
| I'm fucking up too. | ||
| There's no way around it, man. | ||
| It's a weird thing. | ||
| You're in the middle of... | ||
| Calling something, you get excited, you get emotional, you're attached, you know people, you know, you have ideas in your head about how you thought it was going to be versus how it's actually happening. | ||
| You know, every commentator experiences all of those things. | ||
| You know, that's all the stuff that I had to go through. | ||
| So, Paul, I want you to tell him about when the police action came. | ||
| You almost have to be animated to do it. | ||
| I want you to tell him. | ||
| So, I'm in Atlanta. | ||
| I'm in Atlanta. | ||
| We're getting ready to buy a gym. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I did some research out there to see if there was any gyms in the area. | ||
| You know, we're in Alpharetta, like near Cobb County. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I was buying a house in Canton, and... | ||
| I'm, like, paying the whole house off, basically. | ||
| Like, financing, like, 50 grand, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they're like, oh, we're having problems with your bureaus, right? | ||
| And I'm like, this is impossible. | ||
| I have, like, 800-some credit score, you know? | ||
| And I've got 450 grand right here. | ||
| Like, what's going on? | ||
| So she's like, oh, just go get some food and then come back and we'll have it all put together, right? | ||
| So I take off, hop in this car and driving down the street and I see a jiu-jitsu school. | ||
| And there's like 40, 50 kids in this school, right? | ||
| But I had been online looking and seeing who's in the area and I never saw a school in the area. | ||
| So I just like crossed over from like two lanes right into this parking lot and hop out of my car, run into this jiu-jitsu school real quick and I'm watching this class. | ||
| This fucking coach, this guy, this instructor, has got all these black belts and certificates all over the wall and everything. | ||
| Got like 40 kids and 40 guys in this class. | ||
| So I sit down and I'm just watching. | ||
| I'm like, man, this seems off. | ||
| Like, something seems off in here, you know? | ||
| I'm like looking. | ||
| And this fool starts teaching some shit. | ||
| And he's like, hold on a second. | ||
| And he runs over to the corner and he flips through this book. | ||
| And I look into this book. | ||
| He runs back and he shows the other half of the move, you know? | ||
| And I'm like, that's kind of strange, you know? | ||
| So afterwards, I asked him, I said, hey, who did you get your black belt from, you know? | ||
| And he goes, oh, from the Gracie's. | ||
| And I say, from who? | ||
| And he goes, oh, I did these things where I recorded myself doing these moves, and I sent it in to them, and then they sent me back this Gracie Combatives fucking black belt bullshit, right? | ||
| What? | ||
| No, wait a minute. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
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Hold on a second. | |
| You're saying you can get a black belt online? | ||
| This is what this guy tells me. | ||
| It's called a Gracie Combated Black Belt. | ||
| But that's not real. | ||
| He's lying, right? | ||
| No, he really did it. | ||
| There was a time where I don't know who started it, but you could send in, like you could do these moves, right? | ||
| They give you this layout of like, here's what your criteria is to be a blue belt, a purple belt, a black belt, like all this stuff, right? | ||
| You could do it online with no formal instruction? | ||
| I don't know how he did it. | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| That's what we call posers though, brother. | ||
| That's what we call the posers. | ||
| I never heard that. | ||
| He had a certificate on his wall that said Gracie's Combative Certificate. | ||
| But that would be a giant scandal in the MMA and jiu-jitsu community if so. | ||
| Composers, you know, yeah. | ||
| But I don't think a black belt, is that real? | ||
| I mean, we have to be real careful about this. | ||
| I'm being totally serious. | ||
| You really can get a black belt online? | ||
| No, I don't know about, this guy said he did. | ||
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Oh. | |
| This guy said he did. | ||
| Fake posers, guys, you know how that goes. | ||
| He was trying to tell me that he had a black belt under the Gracie's. | ||
| You're weed, goddammit. | ||
| What the fuck have you done to my brain? | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| Oh, I got, okay, I was confused. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I thought you were saying okay got it so so then I realized like this this guy don't know shit right so I'm fucking pumped right I'm thinking I call his ass I'm like bro we're gonna kill it out here right so get on the phone and call my wife I'm like man I just in his school they got like 40 students in here and this guy sucks like we're gonna kill it right and I'm on the phone with her and all of a sudden I see this big truck come in the parking lot like speeding right like And I'm like, fuck, this is crazy, right? | ||
| And this other car, to the other side. | ||
| And all of a sudden, this guy jumps out of the black truck. | ||
| They pull up right on me, like this. | ||
| And this guy jumps out, and he's like, full fucking body armor, bro. | ||
| Jumps out, running at me. | ||
| Everybody, get on the ground, get on it. | ||
| I just turned square up with this guy, right? | ||
| Square up, and he's like, ugh! | ||
| Like, tries to stop. | ||
| He takes a digger, falls into the fucking curb, into the planter. | ||
| So I turn around, I'm like, looking to fight with this other guy, and then I realize, like, fucking helicopters, news vans, 23, fucking 25. You have no idea why they're attacking you. | ||
| I have no clue what's going on. | ||
| That is fucking crazy. | ||
| So they slam me on the ground, start fucking me up, right? | ||
| Get me all twisted up and shit. | ||
| And this guy comes over and he's like, we got you, motherfucker. | ||
| You're going down. | ||
| You're going down, motherfucker. | ||
| And I'm like, whoa, whoa. | ||
| Like, what the hell is going on? | ||
| I'm like, bro, you guys got the wrong guy. | ||
| Like, you got the wrong guy, dude. | ||
| And this guy puts this picture of me down. | ||
| And he's like, I don't think so, motherfucker. | ||
| You're going down. | ||
| And I'm looking at my picture. | ||
| I'm like, how the fuck? | ||
| I said, what am I going down for, bro? | ||
| He goes, you're going to have a kidnapping, bitch. | ||
| And I go, kidnapping? | ||
| I don't even have my daughter with me. | ||
| You said that? | ||
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Well, I had just gone to court a few months prior. | |
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| So I raised my daughter from 18 months old until she was about six. | ||
| And I got married about five and a half or so. | ||
| So I got married. | ||
| So I raised her for a handful of years by myself. | ||
| Mom peeled out to Florida. | ||
| She's my girl. | ||
| Love you guys, Brooke Riley. | ||
| Love you guys to death. | ||
| Shoutouts. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| My kids are awesome. | ||
| So you think that someone is saying that you have kidnapped your child? | ||
| Yeah, and I got all this court documentation saying I can move my kid from California to Atlanta. | ||
| The secondhand smoke in this room is very potent. | ||
| You're going to have to keep me on track, too, then. | ||
| Okay, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Stay on track. | ||
|
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Sorry. | |
| So, uh, I've even fucking forgot where I was at now. | ||
| Town! | ||
| Oh, I knew it! | ||
| You're talking about them putting the fucking shit in your face. | ||
| The picture and shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so... | ||
| They have the photo of you and the rest warrant. | ||
| Okay, so I get the court paperwork to allow me to move my daughter there. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they're telling me, oh, no, you're kidnapping. | ||
| This is what you got. | ||
| And I'm going, no, no, I have court paperwork to prove that I did not kidnap my daughter. | ||
| Like, I've been raising my daughter. | ||
| And he's like, I don't know. | ||
| You're going to jail, though, bro. | ||
| So I go to jail, but everything out there in Atlanta, different area codes and stuff, right? | ||
| So I get on their phone. | ||
| I can't call long distance to let anybody know I'm arrested. | ||
| So now I'm sitting in this holding tank for like six days. | ||
| My wife's trying to figure out where the fuck I'm at. | ||
| Everybody's trying to figure out where I'm at. | ||
| And then it starts going down. | ||
| Everybody starts figuring out, oh, he got arrested. | ||
| And it was like all these crazy rumors and shit going around, you know? | ||
| And then it just leads into this whole process of this crazy case, right? | ||
| I'm in Atlanta. | ||
| I'm there now, locked up for about three months or so. | ||
| They extradite me back to California. | ||
| But anything okay to extradite back to California? | ||
| Not bad, right? | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| I look like fucking Hannibal Lecter, dude. | ||
| They fucking put me in this shit. | ||
| I'm handcuffed, shackled, walking through the airport like this. | ||
| And I never done anything wrong. | ||
| I never had a speeding ticket, bro. | ||
| I never had a nothing. | ||
| I went from sleeping on a $15,000 bed to sleeping on a metal fucking rack. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| With no pad, concrete floor, use a milk carton for a pillow. | ||
| Stupid shit, you know? | ||
| That's what I'm really trying to get them to understand, the audience and stuff. | ||
| Because I went to jail for my first time, too. | ||
| And it was such an experience for somebody who's been... | ||
| When I went to jail, I had already started getting money. | ||
| And to understand, this isn't normal. | ||
| And to be in it, it's a crazy experience that I'm trying to get people to understand. | ||
| For people that are the normal, that you ain't been in jail, you don't do bad, and you don't, and then you go in there with the people that this is normal to them. | ||
| It's a different wave. | ||
| Yeah, totally different thought processes. | ||
| So how did you eventually get out? | ||
| He's still got so much shit in between there. | ||
| Am I interrupting the storyline? | ||
| I'm a fast forward type of dude. | ||
| How much of it do you want to know, really? | ||
| Anything that's interesting. | ||
| Just tell me what happened. | ||
| Oh my god, dude. | ||
| So, first day. | ||
| First day in jail. | ||
| One day I feel like I want to write a book eventually about this whole story, this journey. | ||
| And I feel like the journey's not justified unless we fight for a world title. | ||
| That's kind of how I feel. | ||
| That'll give me the credibility to be able to tell my story. | ||
| So it's been this journey of like... | ||
| We're grinding, trying to prove that we're good enough to be there, you know what I mean? | ||
| We're getting there, and then he gets fucking locked up right when we're getting there. | ||
| I get signed to Strikeforce and all that other stuff right when he gets locked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Basically, they did some sideways shit at King of the Cage in his contract, and I had the contract. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I'm locked up and I don't have access to the contract. | ||
| It's in my filing system at my school, right? | ||
| So I have to get access to this contract now, get it to the right people, so that we can get him out of his... | ||
| While you're in jail? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm on the phone talking to Terry and talking to Shingo and a couple other people, you know, and we're going through this whole thing, and I'm like, no, that's not in the contract. | ||
| That's not in the contract. | ||
| And they're trying to hold on to him and keep him and... | ||
| Basically, he was supposed to get a rematch with Tim Means. | ||
| So they say, okay, no, you got to beat Dom O'Grady. | ||
| So now we fight Dom O'Grady. | ||
| And this whole time, I'm locked up. | ||
| He's fighting these fights. | ||
| I got a phone, right? | ||
| So I get a smartphone from awesome CO in there. | ||
| It's just like blessed me, you know? | ||
| So I come in and I'm working on my phone and I start scrolling through and we, okay, now we're fighting Jay-Z Cavaconte. | ||
| He's doing all the fight work and breaking the fighters down from jail. | ||
| What they're doing, watching videos on them, their habits. | ||
| Oh, you had a whole internet connection and everything? | ||
| Everything worked. | ||
| I had the baddest phone that was out at the time. | ||
| Yeah, he'd make sure he paid $1 for it. | ||
| How much of that's going on? | ||
| Oh, tons of it. | ||
| Like, there's a phone everywhere in there. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a big business, you know? | ||
| Like, if you think about it, break it down. | ||
| Huge money. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Poor fucking cell phones. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's already a lot of money on the outs, you know? | ||
| So the people go on the outside that don't understand how the system works, you know? | ||
| They're like, oh, how did he get these phones in there, you know? | ||
| How did he get drugs in there? | ||
| Well, how the fuck do you think they get in there? | ||
| The fucking CO's that work there are making extra money. | ||
| Don't be ratting them out though, bro. | ||
| I don't have no names. | ||
| I'm not a rat, that's for sure. | ||
| How many of them are there so we don't have to worry about one of them being obviously them? | ||
| I would say honestly, I met maybe 10% of the CO's in there are actually really good guys. | ||
| No, that's cool. | ||
| I knew a guy who was, he worked security at a prison. | ||
| He was a real nice guy, but he carried it with him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Carried it with him, all those dudes being trapped. | ||
| He would go to visit them when he worked there, and then leave and go home to his family and be able to drive around. | ||
| He carried with him, like, there was like a certain amount of sorrow involved in it. | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| Because, you know, he's a prison guard for these folks that don't want to be there. | ||
| You're trapped in this environment that you've been sentenced to. | ||
| You have to, boom, the door shuts and you're locked in and this guy was one of the people that was supposed to be In charge of keeping these people in line, you know, and they have this relationship. | ||
| You get to know each other. | ||
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Yes. | |
| You talk to the CO. Was he a CO or was he... | ||
| He was some security guard. | ||
| I was a kid. | ||
| I don't know what exactly he was. | ||
| I was 21 or 20, 21 at the time. | ||
| And, you know, he would just talk about it. | ||
| It was hard. | ||
| They say that you're doing time with you. | ||
| Man, that's like... | ||
| That is not... | ||
| I'm sure some of them are fucking assholes. | ||
| Man, here's the thing. | ||
| I see this... | ||
| I got to go on the other side of the fence. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So in my program, in my academy that I had, I had a lot of COs come through my academy. | ||
| Had a lot of sheriffs, a lot of cops come through my academy. | ||
| I always gave them extra shit, like extra help, extra this, extra philosophy. | ||
| So they knew you were cool. | ||
| No, but these guys weren't in with me. | ||
| They're at different institutions, right? | ||
| So they didn't know that... | ||
| I had not been in the institution yet while I was working with these guys at the time. | ||
| So I have this understanding of what their personality's like, what their character's like, just from them being in my program, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay, then you take that guy and now you put him in an environment. | ||
| In his environment. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| Like he's in our environment, so he's a little more humble, his character's a little bit different, he's getting his ass kicked in the room, and then you put him in that environment where now he got a badge, he got a billy club, or he got a whatever, and this guy's a different character. | ||
| Now he's abusing his power. | ||
| He's fucking with guys. | ||
| And this is where all the problems occur because nobody in there have a problem with these COs. | ||
| They don't have a problem with the cops. | ||
| They don't have a problem with them. | ||
| They only have a problem with them if they're fucking with them. | ||
| So these COs get in there and some of them train. | ||
| Man, I'm going to tell you right now, there's a guy that was in there. | ||
| They fucked with me. | ||
| And I found out he trained at a school locally, not far from our school. | ||
| And I went to visit the school. | ||
| I went to go and roll on open mat that day. | ||
| And he see me and he took off. | ||
| But I only say this because, like, if they don't abuse their power, the system is not that bad on the inside. | ||
| Do you think as a person who's been inside that it is just a natural inclination that some people have to abuse that kind of supreme power, like the kind of power that a security guard has over a guy who is locked up inside a cell in front of him? | ||
| That's a crazy power. | ||
| You could open the door. | ||
| You could keep it locked. | ||
| You could give them food or not give them food. | ||
| Or not. | ||
| Or give them a phone or not give them a phone. | ||
| It's crazy that kind of power over a human being. | ||
| What a super unnatural environment to force upon people and under the guise of, I guess, punishment, but the idea that you're getting rehabilitated while that's happening. | ||
| There's no rehabilitation in there. | ||
| The whole programs and everything, they're all bullshit. | ||
| It's just a bunch of bullshit. | ||
| But what do you do? | ||
| I mean, how do you know when there's a situation like yours versus a situation where somebody really did rob somebody? | ||
| Oh, there's a lot of guilty people in there, bro. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And some people change, some people don't change. | ||
| You know, like one of my best friends, Richard Vasek, I met in there. | ||
| And he had done juvenile life for gang killing, right? | ||
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Oof. | |
| So this kid goes into the system. | ||
| I'll tie this into when I met him, right? | ||
| So what ends up happening is... | ||
| I get transferred from a level 4 to a level 2. And the politics is much different, the situation is much safer in a level 2. But I'm new to all this, right? | ||
| I want you to tell them the first day that you got in. | ||
| That's what I want you to tell them. | ||
| If you don't know, you'll run into a roadblock. | ||
| You'll get caught up with more time, more problems. | ||
| So explain. | ||
| There's just unwritten rules. | ||
| There's rules. | ||
| You can't walk through this area. | ||
| You can't say this word. | ||
| You say punk, you say bitch, you've got to fight. | ||
| If you don't fight, then you're a bitch, you're a punk. | ||
| Everybody's going to come take your shit. | ||
| So if somebody calls you a bitch or a punk, it's just fire. | ||
| And you don't know that. | ||
| You don't know that. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| I used to mess around with all my friends. | ||
| I used to mess around with all my friends, right? | ||
| We'd be joking around. | ||
| Oh, whatever, bitch. | ||
| Yeah, it was cool in the streets. | ||
| And you slip like that in there. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| It's on. | ||
| It's on. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Yeah, I had that problem. | ||
| Like, I called my friends, aw, bro, you've been a little bitch. | ||
| Like, black guys would be like, hey, because they still got it from jail. | ||
| They'd be like, hey. | ||
| They'd look at me like. | ||
| Check you. | ||
| Yeah, they'd look at me with that look like. | ||
| You know, we've been, we got them codes, you know? | ||
| And I'd be like, you know, it ain't like, I don't, you're my fucking brother. | ||
| I don't mean it like that. | ||
| Wow, it just sticks. | ||
| But he'll give me that look for a second. | ||
| Yeah, he's still got it in him. | ||
| So I originally get picked up in Atlanta, right? | ||
| So I get picked up in Atlanta, take me to Atlanta, Joe, I go and put me in this modular and I go in this modular and there's black people and all the different races, right? | ||
| Well, over there they don't politic like we do in California, right? | ||
| So this is my first understanding of how this system works, right? | ||
| So I go in there and the only thing that you can't do in that system is you can't eat at the same table with a different race. | ||
| Besides that, once you're up from the dinner table, I can trade with any race. | ||
| I could do whatever, talk to them, chop it up. | ||
| But you have to eat with people of your own race only? | ||
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Only. | |
| Wow. | ||
| And they tell you this? | ||
| So somebody informs you? | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| I got informed when I went in. | ||
| So when I moved from Atlanta to California, California politics is much different. | ||
| You can't trade with blacks. | ||
| You can't trade with others. | ||
| You can't trade with... | ||
| So you can only do trade with your race, and then the whites get along with the essays. | ||
| So what ended up happening is like, so you have others, which are any other race besides Mexican white or black. | ||
| And this is a car. | ||
| It's called a car, right? | ||
| So everybody has a car. | ||
| Their own race. | ||
| So you have woods. | ||
| You have skinheads. | ||
| You have paisas. | ||
| You got Mexicans. | ||
| You got Crips, Bloods, and others. | ||
| And the paisas roll with the Mexicans. | ||
| The skinheads roll with the woods. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if something really pops off, some race shit, then Mexicans and the whites will click up against the blacks. | ||
| It's always on them against us. | ||
| It always sucked to be. | ||
| It sucked to be black in them times. | ||
| I'm telling you, real shit. | ||
| But we get it. | ||
| Hey, but we thumped, though. | ||
| We thumped. | ||
| So we always knock them out anyway. | ||
| So you start trying to figure out this shit, you know? | ||
| Like, you get thrown into that fire, and you're trying to figure out all these unwritten rules, you know? | ||
| There's no rule book, law book come in and say, hey, do this, this, this, this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So a guy could really direct you in the wrong way if he wants to, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, tell you some sideways shit, and next thing you know, you're in a wreck. | ||
| Ooh. | ||
| So I go in... | ||
| Set you up. | ||
| So I go in... | ||
| This was actually my second experience, my first experience in there, but my second experience, I go in, they put me into a psych ward, a psych watch, getting extradited from Atlanta to here. | ||
| And so I go into this area, and I don't know anything, you know, and this black guy in the psych ward is like yelling in this module, you know, like, anybody want to learn how to play chess? | ||
| Anybody want to learn how to play chess, you know? | ||
| And I was like, hell yeah, I want to learn how to play chess, right? | ||
| So I walk over, I sit down with this fool, and he starts showing me how to play chess. | ||
| But it's a black guy at a black guy table, and I'm a white guy. | ||
| So now I just sat down at this black guy table, and all the woods and all the skinheads in there are now against me. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| But I didn't know. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| You had no idea. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So now... | ||
| It's a no-no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now, my cell pops, and I go to walk to the shower, and I walk past the other cell that pops, which is another skinhead in that room, and I go walk past his cell, and it's smack. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So now we're fighting. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You know? | ||
| So clean this kid up. | ||
| Now they move me to another module. | ||
| So now this kid put a kite out, like, oh, we got to get this guy, because da-da-da-da-da. | ||
| Oh, fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm moving this other module. | ||
| At the time, the institution had a lot of skinheads in there, and the skinheads will politic hard. | ||
| Like, if they have numbers, then they'll push the politics, you know? | ||
| And I looked like a skinhead when I went in. | ||
| I had no hair, you know? | ||
| Like, just a bald guy going in there, you know what I mean? | ||
| So they all start treating me like I'm one of them. | ||
| But I'm not a fucking skinhead. | ||
| So this guy come over and he's trying to get me to hide this little shank in my cell. | ||
| Well, that's weapons manufacturing. | ||
| It carries two more years. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| That's how people start getting hit. | ||
| You start catching cases, more cases. | ||
| When you're only gonna do two, now you're doing ten. | ||
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Mmm. | |
| It just stacks up, but go ahead. | ||
| And then there's intimidation factor, right? | ||
| So this guy got a big ass swastika tattooed on his face right here. | ||
| Teardrops, lightning bolts everywhere, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, he's a lifer, you know? | ||
|
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Right. | |
| So, big shit goes down, I end up choking this guy unconscious. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| Drag him out of my cell because he's trying to get me to hold this shake in my cell. | ||
| I'm not doing this, bro. | ||
| And you come in my cell, it's on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So now we're fighting. | ||
| Take this guy out, right? | ||
| Choke him out, beat him up, drag him out, hit him with some elbows. | ||
| Now he's leaking. | ||
| So drag his ass out into the little modular. | ||
| So do they know you can fight before you're in here? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| How long before they figure it out? | ||
| Well, it took a minute. | ||
| It took a minute because most of the fighting goes on in the cell or in a shower. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So when the fight actually broke out in the open, I was fighting multiple people is what happened. | ||
| And then all the fucking guards watched. | ||
| Everybody's watching from their cells. | ||
| You know, like, this is a different time. | ||
| So this whole incident takes place. | ||
| I beat this guy up, take him out of my cell, right? | ||
| Now they take him away. | ||
| They move this guy out of the modular. | ||
| Did they get mad at you? | ||
| No, they just come in, you know, they don't really care. | ||
| The guards don't give a shit. | ||
| They don't give a shit. | ||
| So you fucked that dude up. | ||
| Is he out cold? | ||
| I choked him unconscious. | ||
| Do they have to ask him what his story is? | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| But they don't ask you? | ||
| They just let you go? | ||
| It's okay? | ||
| Is there a punishment? | ||
| That's what I'm getting at. | ||
| They locked me in my cell. | ||
| I couldn't get on my cell for like two weeks. | ||
| Oh, for two weeks? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just alone in yourself, constant. | ||
| Nothing but yourself. | ||
| They won't pop the door. | ||
| So what happens is for a certain amount of hours of the day, they got to pop the door and let you into a bigger cell, a bigger room. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| So I just couldn't get into the day room for like two weeks. | ||
| But the crazy shit of it all is, like I'm trying to tell you, I'm trying to learn this system, right? | ||
| There's new rules. | ||
| So what happens is this kid, this guy... | ||
| Okay, we talk about the cars and the races, right? | ||
| So each race has their own car, which means there's a key holder. | ||
| And the key holder to that car controls the race. | ||
| So they make decisions for the race. | ||
| They try to keep other races out of car wrecks. | ||
| Like, now we've got to feud with the blacks or we've got to feud with the Mexicans or whatever. | ||
| They call them car wrecks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, if we get in a fight with them... | ||
| The key holder is the guy that can communicate with the other key holders to the races and try and keep peace. | ||
| They don't go and delegate it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I didn't have it happen. | ||
| We were going to get down with the Mexicans and then our keys will go and they keys and we're going to jump. | ||
| We're getting ready to jump and they shake hands. | ||
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All right. | |
| It ain't going. | ||
| It ain't going. | ||
| And then it go back down. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| And you're trying to figure all this out. | ||
| So what happened was I beat this fool's ass and now I got the keys. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| But I can't have the keys because I'm a first-termer. | ||
| So a first-termer is not allowed to have the keys. | ||
| But nobody wanted to try to take the keys from me. | ||
| So in order for them to take the keys from me, they've got to fight me to take the keys away from me. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So that kind of changed the dynamics of the room because now I'm able to navigate with these other races and have these conversations with these fucking ignorant people that don't understand how to really... | ||
| Talk. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like how to communicate and keep things cool. | ||
| They misunderstand what this guy says or misinterpret what this guy says. | ||
| The next thing you know, it's hot for everybody, you know? | ||
| And it's just misinterpretations. | ||
| Yeah, because they're dumb. | ||
| Most of these guys are dumb, bro. | ||
| In some ways, you're sitting there listening to these guys. | ||
| You're like, these guys really think this shit? | ||
| Fighting about the dumbest shit. | ||
| Cities fighting over teams, fighting over... | ||
| Just the dumbest shit. | ||
| Xbox and Playstation. | ||
| And somebody said something wrong and then that escalated into something that was personal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's quick. | ||
| So now they take me from there. | ||
| That incident takes place, right? | ||
| And we resolve some of that stuff. | ||
| But now these guys are in different modules. | ||
| So now they're putting these kites out to try and get me as I'm going to court. | ||
| So what happens is they catch a chain with some guys. | ||
| And then we go into these holding tanks. | ||
| All these different holding tanks. | ||
| And you get put in that holding tank with that guy that got a kite that's looking for you. | ||
| And now it's on. | ||
| It's cracking. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| So I'm sitting in my cell. | ||
| I'm getting ready to go to court. | ||
| And there's two huge ass guys. | ||
| And they're in there talking to each other about trying to get me. | ||
| But they don't know that it's me. | ||
| So I'm sitting in there. | ||
| I'm listening to everything that they're trying to do and how they're going to try and set this shit up. | ||
| And I'm sitting right in front of them. | ||
| And they don't even realize it's me. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And I'm thinking, honestly, I'm like, these are big motherfuckers. | ||
| I'm thinking, they're going to take me out. | ||
| Like, there's only so much you can do. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Numbers. | ||
| So, I make it through that whole process, and I catch the chain. | ||
| And when I catch the chain, they take you from county to state. | ||
| And I catch the chain with the same asshole that I got into it with that I took the keys from. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| He's been in the system a long time, right? | ||
| So now we catch the chain. | ||
| We go over to Donovan, R.J. Donovan. | ||
| It's four yards. | ||
| Level four. | ||
| Do you know how that works? | ||
| No. | ||
| Level four being the highest level, most dangerous criminals. | ||
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Most dangerous people. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| The next level is Superdome in San Diego. | ||
| So why'd they bring you to a level four? | ||
| Because of my charges. | ||
| My charges. | ||
| Kidnapping. | ||
| Because those charges were so intense, they put you in with those people, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| So I catch the chain, right? | ||
| I go over there, I catch the chain, and this guy's just like, I'm gonna fucking kill you. | ||
| I'm gonna kill you. | ||
| We're gonna get you, you know? | ||
| And I'm just thinking the whole time, like, if this chain comes off, I'm going to rip this guy's ass apart again, you know what I mean? | ||
| So I go into reception, and we're in a cell block. | ||
| It's like 360 degrees with a gunner and all this stuff, some desks to come check you in. | ||
| And now our cell's like, we don't get out of our cell now until they intake us, right? | ||
| So now I'm in there. | ||
| It's like three months. | ||
| There's this guy next door. | ||
| We start talking through the vent to each other a little bit, you know? | ||
| And we're playing chess and shit, like through the little vent. | ||
| Moving pieces around and shit. | ||
| And they call me out to the day, to the thing, talk to the officers. | ||
| And this guy goes, I don't know this guy in the cell next to me. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I walk past his cell and I hear him yell through the thing. | ||
| He's like, hey, bro, kick that cord over to me. | ||
| I'm like, kick your cord over. | ||
| He's like, that cord right there, kick that cord over to me when you're coming by. | ||
| And I'm like... | ||
| What the fuck does he want this cord for, you know? | ||
| It was connected to this fan, right? | ||
| So when I come back, I kick this cord over, and I wasn't going to do it, but I was like, fuck it, right? | ||
| So I kick this cord over there, and next thing you know, in the night, I get this fish come through, right? | ||
| Like they make a string, right, with a thing on it, and then swing it out into your cell. | ||
| And you take this kite, and then you can read the information on it or whatever, you know? | ||
| So I kite it around to everybody and get it to who they needed to get it to, right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So this guy shoots this little sheet kite over to me. | ||
| I open it up and it's a fucking sack of weed, dude. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And I'm like, that's why this dude wanted that cord. | ||
| He took that cord and he started a wick. | ||
| So he started a fire and he had a bag of weed. | ||
| So now he's smoking weed and the whole cell is like full of weed, bro. | ||
| And he shoots it. | ||
| I say, bro, I can't have this. | ||
| Like, I try to shoot that shit back to him. | ||
| He's like, nah, you got to keep it. | ||
| You get coffee with it. | ||
| You get whatever you need, you know? | ||
| And I'm like, oh shit, okay, you know? | ||
| So my other celly that was in there, he was like, I'll take it. | ||
| And I was like, fuck yeah, take that shit. | ||
| So I got a bunch of canteen and shit, you know, like coffee and stuff for it. | ||
| So this guy like really, really was like thankful I did it for him, you know, like kick this cord. | ||
| So I never seen his face, like never seen this guy's face, right? | ||
| Just hear him talking through the thing. | ||
| And so the guy caught the chain with puts this hit on me, like they want to try and try and stab me, right? | ||
| So it goes around to the other key holders. | ||
| The fucking guy next to me was a key holder for the Bloods. | ||
| He's a black guy. | ||
| Because I kicked that cord over to him, he hit me up through the cell. | ||
| He's like, hey, he says, is your name Beanie? | ||
| And I was like, fuck, right? | ||
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I go back over to the vent, right? | |
| And I said, no. | ||
| And he goes, oh, good. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, good? | ||
| What the fuck do you do to me, right? | ||
| And I'm like, hey, I said, what if it was? | ||
| And he goes, what is it or not, fucker? | ||
| I go, well, it's not Beanie. | ||
| I go, it's Bainey. | ||
| And he goes, it's the same shit. | ||
| I go, okay, bro. | ||
| He's like, hey, I'm going to let you know. | ||
| They're going to pop this door and they're coming for you. | ||
| And I was like, really? | ||
| I was like, what do you mean? | ||
| He's like, they're going to come and get you when this door pops. | ||
| You're going to pop this door, and you're going to go to shower, and they're going to send some guys to come and get you. | ||
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Oof. | |
| My other cellie, he knows already. | ||
| He didn't tell me. | ||
| In order for that to go down, they have to tell your cellie so your cellie can stay out of the fucking way. | ||
| So he knows about it. | ||
| He's known about it. | ||
| And now he tells me through the wall and now I know he knows about it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And I'm living in this room with this guy. | ||
| So, door pops. | ||
| My celly takes off running out of the cell. | ||
| So I just posted up at the back of the cell, just waiting, you know? | ||
| And sure as shit, two guys come flying in. | ||
| One guy flying in trying to stab me. | ||
| And then we're fucking scrapping, wrapping all over the place. | ||
| Fall out of the cell. | ||
| We're up the stairs. | ||
| Fucking push the guy down the stairs. | ||
| We fall down the stairs. | ||
| I'm tired as fuck. | ||
| Like, fighting two guys, I'm tired. | ||
| I'm lumped up a little bit. | ||
| And I look over this way and I'm barely breathing. | ||
| Look over this way and all the fucking cops just watching. | ||
| They're just watching. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| So this other guy come over. | ||
| He's kicking, kicking, kicking. | ||
| I grab the other guy, drag him on top of me and I'm just choking him. | ||
| You know, I'm like trying to use him to deflect this guy from getting at me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then realize this guy's out. | ||
| He's not even awake. | ||
| Push him off me and now it's just me and this guy and everybody in the cells watching and all the cops watching. | ||
| So I just tear this fucking guy's ass up. | ||
| We leave, and this guy never got up. | ||
| The guy was choking. | ||
| Never got up. | ||
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Just eyes full of blood, right? | |
| So they send me to another cell block. | ||
| I go in there, there for a couple days. | ||
| Guard comes in. | ||
| We're going to move you to the gymnasium. | ||
| So you move me to the gymnasium. | ||
| Now I'm out of the cell block. | ||
| I'm in a gym with 300 guys. | ||
| I can walk around. | ||
| I get yard access, all this stuff, right? | ||
| And the cop says, I really appreciate what you did for us out there. | ||
| He's like, that was pretty fucking amazing. | ||
| And I'm just thinking to myself, like, I want to get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Like, I can't be in here. | ||
| Like, I'm not going to make it out of this shit. | ||
| I used to get known to be that guy that's going around. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And seeing your skills. | ||
| I had a similar thing happen to me. | ||
| First day in, first week in. | ||
| And I had to fight this one guy. | ||
| Like, that one guy beat the shit out of him. | ||
| And now they're like, oh, okay. | ||
| And now you're getting this, people are starting to see it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This name, it comes with that. | ||
| And now people want you to teach him and different shit. | ||
| Like, he actually was in there working out with guys and teaching guys how to roll. | ||
| You're just trying to survive your time. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, not let the time do you. | ||
| How much time did you have to do? | ||
| I did a little over two years. | ||
| It was short, you know what I mean? | ||
| But in the grand scheme of things, it was really long. | ||
| I did 90 days, okay? | ||
| And it was the longest time, and I never go back to jail, and I never make those mistakes. | ||
| And I was for driving on a suspended license. | ||
| I did 90 days. | ||
| Imagine two years. | ||
| Like, fuck, he's in a short time. | ||
| No, it was a fucking forever. | ||
| Do you have any legal repercussions? | ||
| So, going back originally to this whole process was when they came in and offered me that deal when I hired that private investigator to figure out all this stuff that's going on. | ||
| It wasn't my judge. | ||
| It was a judge. | ||
| But it was my DA. So, as my DA, a judge, and my victim at this country club, we got on surveillance. | ||
| So, when we brought that in as evidence, I'm facing, the deal they gave me was 10 years with 85. And, I mean, I served 85% of my 10-year sentence. | ||
| So, the head judge, I don't know what he's called, comes in and he says, look, young man, this is the deal you're going to get today. | ||
| If you don't sign it, we're going to jury selection. | ||
| And it was two years with 85 with a strike. | ||
| I just said, okay. | ||
| You know, took the deal. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Took the deal. | ||
| Really what they wanted, they wanted him. | ||
| So the 10 years with 85... | ||
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Being a rat. | |
| The 10 years for 85... | ||
| When they came to me with another deal, the deal was county year, which means I go home because I already did six months. | ||
| So county year is a little six months, right? | ||
| I go home. | ||
| But I have to give him up. | ||
| And I have to give up my other guy that was with me. | ||
| So if I give them up, he gets two years. | ||
| Did they give you any indication why they wanted him? | ||
| Black guy. | ||
| We want the black guy, the African-American from San Bernardino. | ||
| That's what they kept saying. | ||
| And so how do you get out of this? | ||
| So, I've been in hiding. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I've been hiding, and that's why I wanted him to tell stories. | ||
| He kind of gets out of it because I don't say shit. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So you stay in, and you would have had to have said something about him being guilty of something. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's what they wanted to do. | ||
| I wanted to call him and my buddy as witnesses. | ||
| So the pizza guy that showed up, and him and the other guy were... | ||
| I'm telling my attorney, no, no, that's not what happened. | ||
| I have witnesses. | ||
| But you're saying they're trying to get you to turn him in? | ||
| Yeah, because I'm saying I have witnesses, right? | ||
| So I'm telling my attorney, I said, hey, I have witnesses. | ||
| These guys were there. | ||
| And she said, no, no, no. | ||
| She goes, that's who they want. | ||
| Like, if you do that, we can get a deal. | ||
| But they will charge them with all the same crimes because they were there. | ||
| They were there and they didn't call the police, right? | ||
| So they get charged with all the same shit I got charged with. | ||
| So if you bring him in as a witness, they were going to charge him? | ||
| They will charge him right on the stand. | ||
| Oh, my goodness. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| So now I have no witnesses. | ||
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So it's a trap. | |
| Yeah, I have no witnesses. | ||
| I can't call him. | ||
| And now I'm fucked. | ||
| I either have to give him up or... | ||
| And I can't... | ||
| You just can't do that. | ||
| Like, he came down there to help me. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, to look after the situation. | ||
| So I can't expect him to have to do that time, you know? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So one time... | ||
| What a terrible predicament. | ||
| I'm driving in Fontana. | ||
| I get pulled over. | ||
| I'm like, oh, I'm Bobby Green, you know, yeah, like, a professional fighter, like, I talk to the officers, cool, you can give them respect, and yes sir, no sir. | ||
| Like, okay, cool. | ||
| They go back to the car. | ||
| Next, you know, they came back and they had guns drawn. | ||
| Boom, they had guns. | ||
| Show me your hands. | ||
| I was with me and my homie. | ||
| And they're like, show me your hands, show me your hands, show me your hands. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| And I already knew what they were doing. | ||
| I already knew. | ||
| Because of what the, I was trying to tell you, I'll tie it in. | ||
| They were arguing. | ||
| Remember, I told you my dad and him were arguing about that laptop. | ||
| I didn't know what was going on with the laptop. | ||
| He was looking up the gym. | ||
| And on the gym's website, it's a picture of me. | ||
| Like this, Bobby Green. | ||
| And I got crosses on my forearms. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I already put it together. | ||
| But somehow God gave it to me. | ||
| And I was like, so he's like, let me see your hands. | ||
| Let me see your hands. | ||
| But he didn't mean it like, put your hands up. | ||
| Oh, he wanted to see my hands. | ||
| Make sure you're really Bobby Green. | ||
| But no, but. | ||
| They're looking for tattoos. | ||
| They're looking for a certain Bobby Green. | ||
| So I'm showing my hands. | ||
| At the time I had no tattoos. | ||
| Nowhere but the crosses on my forearms. | ||
| I peeped it already. | ||
| So I'm showing them my hands and I'm going like this. | ||
| You can't see the crosses. | ||
| You don't even know I got tattoos. | ||
| I don't even look like I have tattoos at all without none of that. | ||
| So you couldn't see the crosses. | ||
| He's like, okay, the Bobby Green we're looking for has crosses on his hands. | ||
| They mistaked forearm for hand. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| That's the only way I didn't get locked up. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I drove off and I was like... | ||
| I went back into hiding for a long time again. | ||
| I had to fight under Ray Green. | ||
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I wasn't Bobby Green anymore, I was Ray Green. | |
| It was crazy. | ||
| We were building up awesome momentum. | ||
| This guy's winning, this guy's winning, I'm winning, we're going to become the gem, the hotspot in Redlands, we're kicking it off, and he gets locked up, you know? | ||
| Reuben had just signed, my first student was Reuben Durant. | ||
| At the UFC, Reuben Durant. | ||
| And he fought, I think you commentated that fight when he fought his first fight against Takeya? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| And so Ruben was in the UFC. I'm kind of getting my way up there. | ||
| Aaron's gonna get his way up, and we're getting all this momentum. | ||
| We lose our leader. | ||
| We own five King of the Cage titles. | ||
| He didn't do nothing wrong. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's like, fuck. | ||
| And so now I'm stuck in a predicament where I gotta find a new coach. | ||
| I made a choice now. | ||
| I'm gonna go back to fighting. | ||
| And so I gotta find a new coach. | ||
| I lost my pop. | ||
| I meet this new coach, and I tell him, hey, My loyalty to this man, like, when he comes back, we're going back to what we do, but I'll work with you until then. | ||
| And that's where I met my new coach, Sam Mason, and I started working on my stand-up work, where my stand-up work comes from. | ||
| My jiu-jitsu and everything comes from my dad. | ||
| Did anybody ever try to discourage that style? | ||
| Because your style's super effective, but most people will tell you that this hands-down approach to fighting is super risky. | ||
| I felt, to be honest, I felt like... | ||
| You? | ||
| Daniel Cormier? | ||
| I don't want to say hate. | ||
| No. | ||
| I said, I don't want to say hate. | ||
| Definitely no, I don't hate you. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| But not hate, but hate on me. | ||
| I'm not even hating on you. | ||
| No, they're talking about style. | ||
| I heard my critics tell me it wouldn't work. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| I don't think there's anything that doesn't work. | ||
| I heard you guys say it like, I don't know why Bobby does that because he's trying to like block with his shoulder and that doesn't work for MMA. It works for boxing. | ||
| You're the only one that's pulled it off for MMA. Yes. | ||
| You pull it off. | ||
| I've seen it with you more even lately. | ||
| You're better at it now than you even were before. | ||
| But you're always good at it. | ||
| I really got with my stand-up instructor when he left and I started to hone those things in. | ||
| You roll very well with punches, too. | ||
| You're very good at catching it as it's coming at you and getting the shoulders up. | ||
| I really appreciate that, but those are the things that were costing me. | ||
| People don't understand it. | ||
| But what I was going to say is there's certain guys that can do that, and not only do they do that, they're elite of the elite. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like that hands down approach, like Michael Venom Page. | ||
| Perfect example. | ||
| He's the elite of the elite. | ||
| And the way that guy moves is like, you know, good luck trying to keep up with where these things are coming from. | ||
| That's one of my dream fights. | ||
| You know, because I feel like my style... | ||
| Cyborg's skull? | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| I mean, I've never seen that. | ||
| Of all the years of fighting, his skull was like a bull. | ||
| That was crazy! | ||
| Yeah, I know, I know. | ||
| Those things that make you like, you sure you want to go fight? | ||
| Hurt my heart. | ||
| You sure you want to go fight? | ||
| And when he KOs you, it's like a scene in a fucking anime. | ||
| And so people ask me like, boom! | ||
| Go ahead, go ahead. | ||
| I'm sorry, sorry. | ||
| No, I have a lot of respect for him. | ||
| He's very good, but he's still raw. | ||
| He's still very raw. | ||
| But he has this skill that I always knew was going to be a big deal, and that's that point-fighting style. | ||
| See, the thing about all these styles is every style has its strengths and every style has its weaknesses, but one thing that was Mitzen was the ability to blitz. | ||
| And those karate guys have a blitz! | ||
| There was these dudes like Billy Blanks back in the day. | ||
| Stephen Thompson has it. | ||
| Yes, I knew he was going to go for the belt. | ||
| Yeah, Raymond Daniels is a perfect example. | ||
| Because him and Venom Page actually had point fighting matches. | ||
| I think you can find it online. | ||
| There's a point fighting match. | ||
| That's an elite skill. | ||
| It's an elite skill. | ||
| And they don't understand that. | ||
| So I didn't understand that until I met my stand-up instructor and that was one of his main bases was karate. | ||
| Karate is the first punch. | ||
| It's about getting that first attack off. | ||
| It's all like Bruce Lee figured it out about fencing. | ||
| Like Bruce Lee realized with fencing that there's this dart in movement that they got really good at. | ||
| Like a really good fencer can cover ground so quickly. | ||
| I took my guys to go train in fencing, actually, before I went to jail. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I took them out to Palm Springs. | ||
| I think that's one of those things. | ||
| I think there's a few things that you'd almost be better if you started doing them first, like these two guys together. | ||
| Raymond Daniels and Venom? | ||
| Yes, this is 2009. That's how long they've been doing this. | ||
| Let me see this. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've seen this yet. | ||
| My money's on Raymond Daniels. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They're both elite, man. | ||
| They're both in this realm, this point-fighting karate realm. | ||
| It's like that ability to just close the distance and they count it like it's just a touch like that. | ||
| Yeah, that's a touch. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But that's all you have to do to score. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That is an attack where I would have knocked your ass with that. | ||
| But look at the style. | ||
| This is why it's so weird. | ||
| You don't see this style anywhere else. | ||
| What this style is, is this sideways stance. | ||
| Sideways stance almost always. | ||
| Almost always sideways stance. | ||
| See, the only problem is when the sideways stance is that you give that leg up, you know? | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| But this spinning attack. | ||
| So it's like you were hitting to. | ||
| In every art, there's these things. | ||
| There's something you take from it. | ||
| You take every bits of it. | ||
| Everyone can take something from that. | ||
| There's certain ways of moving in that these guys have, these point-fighting guys have, that's very deceptive and very hard to deal with and you don't expect from the average person. | ||
| If you get used to a certain kind of... | ||
| Style. | ||
| That's the thing, too, right? | ||
| Isn't that about sparring in crowded gyms? | ||
| Because you can't move that much. | ||
| When you see guys on the mat and there's like 15, 20 guys sparring next to each other, it's like foam box fighting. | ||
| Because if you're with one of these fellas, these leaping karate fellas, you need some space. | ||
| You're all over the mat. | ||
| Yeah, because Wonderboy, he'll step way... | ||
| Like the Tyron Woodley fights, those two fights were a perfect example of that. | ||
| Just control the outside way away, way away, just waiting to do... | ||
| He needs a lot of room to play that game. | ||
| And you don't take much damage. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That's the key thing about us playing these guys, not taking damage either. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not taking damage where you can keep fighting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm gonna fight number 45! | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| To be able to fight, and I come out to fight, I'm like, man, I felt great. | ||
| I didn't get too hurt. | ||
| Do you think that defense is the most important aspect of your style? | ||
| It's underrated. | ||
| I think, listen, I think it's a bit of hard. | ||
| It's a beautiful combination. | ||
| Listen, you talk about my defense, but I set the record for the most punches landed. | ||
| That's true too. | ||
| So I'm busy. | ||
| It says I'm busy. | ||
| So I'm an attacker too. | ||
| But yet I'm a defender. | ||
| So it's a bit of both. | ||
| When you take a fight like the Islam fight, which is a big opportunity because many people look at him like one of the most talented guys in the division. | ||
| I mean, he's a force right now. | ||
| I have to say it. | ||
| I mean, it's not negative. | ||
| But it's like that's a tough decision to make to fight a guy like that without much preparation. | ||
| And that's where it was very gangster of you. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I said before I did it. | ||
| I'm going to show you all some G shit. | ||
| Yeah, you did. | ||
| You went in there when a lot of people were avoiding that guy. | ||
| He's right now at the top of the food chain in terms of top contenders. | ||
| And especially to do it on a short notice. | ||
| I feel like the results have been a lot different. | ||
| If we had a full camp to train and actually get my timing of my wrestling on, I made one mistake and that was it. | ||
| He capitalized and that was it. | ||
| I tried to go for a front choke on him and gave up my hips. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| From there, he was able. | ||
| You can't make one mistake with these guys that's highest level. | ||
| One mistake and that's it. | ||
| He's running his game and that's it. | ||
| I need to get him more tired. | ||
| I need to get him in deeper rounds where he can make more mistakes. | ||
| If you had to do it, how much time do you need for a fight like that? | ||
| Is that something you need? | ||
| Are there different styles that you need more prep time for or is it just a matter of getting in a solid camp for you? | ||
| I'd just say a solid camp. | ||
| Just a solid camp. | ||
| You know, like for me, I need five weeks. | ||
| Give me five weeks to eat anybody and I can do it. | ||
| Anybody. | ||
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Anybody. | |
| Five weeks. | ||
| I know you would accept that, but what would you want ideally? | ||
| Ideally. | ||
| Ideally, six weeks. | ||
| Six weeks? | ||
| Seven at the max. | ||
| You don't want to peak too much? | ||
| No, I got kids, brother. | ||
| I got kids. | ||
| And listen, I learned this from Joe Stevenson. | ||
| When I fight, I don't do anything but fight. | ||
| I don't even see my children. | ||
| I don't do anything but fight. | ||
| Last year, I set the record for the most amount of fights is five. | ||
| In a year for a fighter, five. | ||
| I fought four and I passed out making weight for Jim Miller, the fifth, so it would have been fifth. | ||
| And so when I'm trying to compete and be that active, My kids suffer, you know? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| My kids question, or daddy, and daddy don't love you. | ||
| I gotta go through that, too, you know? | ||
| And I gotta fight with the moms. | ||
| So that's another thing. | ||
| I got three baby mamas. | ||
| One black, one white, one Mexican. | ||
| In three different places. | ||
| Dude, you're a living rainbow. | ||
| And I'm trying to be a great daddy, too. | ||
| So it's a mess, brother. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| Well, you know. | ||
| And he's guiding me through this. | ||
| He's like, hey, you know, you need to do this. | ||
| You need to do this. | ||
| Fighting child support and time. | ||
| And you can only be in three places so many times, you know? | ||
| Why are the most fun fighters the most wild? | ||
| Because it's always the case. | ||
| I heard you say that. | ||
| It's always the case. | ||
| The most fun fighters to watch are the wildest dudes in real life. | ||
| They're willing to take a risk. | ||
| They're more risk takers. | ||
| That's a big part of it, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, I tried to explain that to someone about Jon Jones in the opening seconds of the first round against Shogun. | ||
| John, I think, was 22, right? | ||
| When he won the title? | ||
| 22, okay? | ||
| Only been fighting UFC for a short amount of time. | ||
| Opens the fight with a flying knee on a legend. | ||
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On a legend. | |
| You gotta have some balls. | ||
| Just balls. | ||
| You gotta have some balls. | ||
| John would just make shit up in the middle of a fight. | ||
| He'd just figure out what to do and try some shit out. | ||
| If you watch his fights, like... | ||
| He just has these very dangerous techniques that he uses with his length, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I haven't got that free yet, like, where I'm working on things in the gym, but I haven't, like, oh, I'm running in the actual camp. | ||
| I'm going to work the things at work, you know? | ||
| I haven't got that free where I'm like, hey, I really want to show y'all what I've really been working on. | ||
| Like, you guys see me doing this. | ||
| What I really work on in the gym is something really nuts, you know? | ||
| Yeah, here it is. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| That is so crazy to do. | ||
| Opening seconds of the fight. | ||
| But at the same time, you don't have no fear of the takedown. | ||
| Well, he wasn't afraid of takedowns, and also, he was very proficient at striking. | ||
| He just has one of the best fight IQs ever. | ||
| But he's not a good striker. | ||
| But it doesn't matter. | ||
| He's enough. | ||
| He's enough to get on top of you. | ||
| It's his length. | ||
| He knows how to use it well. | ||
| He uses it very well. | ||
| It's not like he's a glory kickboxing champion. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But if he wanted to be, he could be... | ||
| You think so? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Guys that are that good at MMA, that fucking dude can do anything. | ||
| He's just got a very specific and lethal style. | ||
| You cannot question the Jon Jones style. | ||
| So listen, you're trying to say, those guys fighting another guy his size, length and reach, like, what's his name? | ||
| Like an Aleister or the guy who beat Aleister for the K-1 belt. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Those strikers, I'm saying, I forgot what his name is. | ||
| Oh, oh, Badr Hari. | ||
| Yeah, those guys. | ||
| You're trying to say he's going to beat those guys? | ||
| That's a different level of striking. | ||
| Different level, but he could be if he started out when they did. | ||
| He could do anything. | ||
| Okay, if he started out. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I'm not saying he could do it right now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| A guy who gets that good, he could be that good at fucking tennis. | ||
| He could be that good at anything he wants. | ||
| Jon Jones never lost. | ||
| You always have to remember that. | ||
| They took that win away from him in the Matt Hamill fight, but he was putting a ferocious beatdown on that guy. | ||
| There is in no way that is a loss. | ||
| And it's one of the dumbest rules ever, because it's the downward elbow rule, which is the dumbest fucking rule. | ||
| It's not even a harder elbow than a regular elbow. | ||
| It's just dumb. | ||
| I've seen people say it's almost like getting stomped and you shouldn't. | ||
| I feel like wise people who I really respect say that. | ||
| They say it should be illegal. | ||
| I'm like, wow. | ||
| I don't want to take any of my job. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| What I'm saying is like in terms of strikers, you know, like as I got into the striking realm and we really respect striking like an easy guy and stuff like that. | ||
| That's why I don't see it like that. | ||
| I see he's very creative. | ||
| I think that's what's dope about him. | ||
| He created from the takedown to the elbow up, you know? | ||
| Those type of things just makes him where you didn't expect that. | ||
| That's what makes him so dope. | ||
| I don't think it's more so like he's got a great jab or he's got a one-two. | ||
| Like he just has long legs and he can kick you, he can use those legs and his reach. | ||
| But it's nothing really technical that I feel like. | ||
| That's all I'm saying in terms of that. | ||
| But in terms of his creativity. | ||
| But don't you remember he high-kicked DC? It's a high kick! | ||
| Stop! | ||
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And it was DC! DC's not like a striker. | |
| Stop! | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Big dog! | ||
| That's a big victory. | ||
| You don't think that's a big victory? | ||
| It is, but it's not like he head-kicked fucking... | ||
| I think what's going down right now is Bobby's talking about the style of it all, the flow of the fight, right? | ||
| Where things are flowing, they're smooth. | ||
| I understand what you're saying. | ||
| What I'm saying is that Jon Jones, you have to look at him as a whole. | ||
| You can't just look at him as a striker, because his striking is sometimes a means to get his fucking hands on you and smash you. | ||
| You gotta realize, he's a fighter. | ||
| What I'm saying is if he just wanted to be a kickboxer, he would have been elite of the elite at that. | ||
| What he is is just a fighter. | ||
| So in fighting form, he's arguably one of the greats. | ||
| Without doubt. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Without doubt. | ||
| Without doubt. | ||
| Either he's your number one goat or he's number two. | ||
| It's like Lightning Mouse, Anderson Silva in his prime. | ||
| Don't forget Anderson in his prime. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anderson in his prime was a motherfucker, dude. | ||
| There was a period of a few years where Anderson was lighting everybody on fire. | ||
| Let's break that down. | ||
| For me, personally, Because I'm like a style guy. | ||
| I like to pick for style-wise like when it comes down those goats yeah but style-wise like for me there's another guy that you didn't mention that will begin in those lists is I think Dominick Cruz to me is a goat. | ||
| He's definitely a goat and he's definitely a pioneer. | ||
| But as far as like greatest of all time. | ||
| What about Khabib? | ||
| Khabib is arguably the goat. | ||
| Yeah I was gonna Beats everybody. | ||
| Barely loses a round. | ||
| That's why I wouldn't put him more a two or three, you know, a four. | ||
| I'm talking about who did it greatest, who did it the best. | ||
| But how do you say that he... | ||
| Anderson would be the number one. | ||
| Anderson did it amazing. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| But how would you say that Khabib didn't do it the best when he retires undefeated? | ||
| He destroys everybody. | ||
| Barely loses a round. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| I'm talking about style points. | ||
| Style points. | ||
| I love that style. | ||
| That style was smash. | ||
| He's saying it's not exciting. | ||
| You don't think that's exciting? | ||
| Khabib's fights? | ||
| Toward the end? | ||
| Toward the end? | ||
| This is where we're going to part ways. | ||
| We're going to disagree here. | ||
| You don't think that the Justin Gaethje fight was entertaining? | ||
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Bingo! | |
| That's what he said. | ||
| Towards the end. | ||
| Yeah, we're going backwards with this. | ||
| From the Conor on, he got exciting. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| You know? | ||
| But before that, and I'll be honest... | ||
| You don't think that the Dos Anjos fight was exciting? | ||
| You don't think that the Edson Barbosa fight was exciting? | ||
| The Edson Barbosa fight was wild. | ||
| Because we knew what a good striker Edson Barbosa was. | ||
| We knew how well he prepared for Khabib. | ||
| But there was a moment in that fight... | ||
| Where Nurmagomedov had him down, and you could see the look in his eyes, that thousand-yard stare, like, holy shit. | ||
| He knew that this storm is never gonna end. | ||
| Michael Johnson did that shit to him, too, though. | ||
| He clipped him. | ||
| Michael Johnson clipped him. | ||
| Well, not in the end, right? | ||
| No, no, I'm talking about Barbosa. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| I thought you were talking about Michael Johnson and Khabib. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I felt like when we fought Edson, the playbook had not been exposed yet in his style. | ||
| In that fight, I wanted him to go wrestle for a couple of weeks up in SAC with a buddy of mine. | ||
| A bunch of all-American wrestlers in there from Iowa, you know, and he wanted to go to Nate's camp and do some work over there, you know? | ||
| I wanted him to wrestle this kid, put him on his back, beat him up, and let's go home, you know? | ||
| And I felt like we would really win the fight that way. | ||
| But that's not the style. | ||
| You don't get that. | ||
| This is this argument that you guys were having, or this conversation you guys were having. | ||
| Not an argument, but a conversation you guys were having. | ||
| He wants to be exciting. | ||
| That's his main objective. | ||
| I need the crowd to go, ah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're not doing that over that like that. | ||
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Right. | |
| Especially, like, Khabib, it got later on when he, to be honest, I think it was the names that he was fighting that made it, like, oh my God, he's doing it to Conor McGregor. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh my God, he's doing it to Justin Gaethje. | ||
| Oh my God, you know, like, what is he doing to these guys more so than style points? | ||
| When you kick a guy like Vitor, pow! | ||
| And drop him. | ||
| Nobody else did it like that. | ||
| Nobody else was even thinking about that kick until he did it. | ||
| We even had conversations about people being able to KO people with that kick. | ||
| And I was like, maybe, but it's pretty rare. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| He just trained it a whole other place. | ||
| That's what I'm saying is style-wise. | ||
| The different ways. | ||
| I would give it up to O'Connor. | ||
| The way he was putting guys out. | ||
| The way he was doing that. | ||
| The way he mixed Eddie Alvarez up. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| Oh my goodness. | ||
| That was style points. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I don't see it that way. | ||
| I think smesh. | ||
| I think smesh. | ||
| You gotta have some style to you. | ||
| I love that style, man. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| I love that he can do that. | ||
| I love that he imposes it on everybody, and nobody wants to be there, and they all get sucked into it. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| So when I fought Islam, after the fight, I got him as a pitcher, and I'm like, hey... | ||
| You gotta get some style, baby. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| That was great, but... | ||
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You gotta get some style, baby. | |
| I understand. | ||
| You're an artist. | ||
| You're an artist. | ||
| Yeah, you're an artist. | ||
| Well, you live off the feet of the crowd, right? | ||
| Yeah, but I want to be able to come to watch your fight. | ||
| I don't watch those guys fight. | ||
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I understand. | |
| Personally. | ||
| Just personally. | ||
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I understand. | |
| I watch Khabib's end, and I even put a post on saying, sorry, because I always called you boring. | ||
| Now you're excited. | ||
| Well... | ||
| I'm a big Islam nut rider. | ||
| I know you are. | ||
| I think he's awesome. | ||
| And today we came to shut that shit down. | ||
| His style points in his fucking house. | ||
| But you're here, man. | ||
| You're here because I love you. | ||
| The real G's are in the house today. | ||
| Listen, you're here because I love you. | ||
| But the reality is, that guy is like, if you're just looking at someone who can win... | ||
| Guys like Nate Diaz. | ||
| People like you a lot. | ||
| Guys like Jorge. | ||
| Guys like Justin Gaethje. | ||
| Loud, colorful people. | ||
| Who actually bring the fucking style and what we want to see. | ||
| What did we want to see? | ||
| Would you rather bring style, or would you rather win? | ||
| Listen, that's great. | ||
| Style! | ||
| Style first? | ||
| Hands down! | ||
| Hands down! | ||
| I've had fights with him. | ||
| Where I feel like guys out of chokes? | ||
| I'm like, no, that would have been boring if I won like that. | ||
| Why would I do that? | ||
| We had guys in chokes in the first minute and a half of the fight, and he looked like this. | ||
| I took Barbosa down the first kick he threw. | ||
| Bam, I took him to the ground. | ||
| All right, I can do that already. | ||
| Now get up and let's do the dance. | ||
| I'm going to show everybody else that thought. | ||
| I couldn't strike? | ||
| What's up? | ||
| I'm not scared of you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
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I'm going to get my gangster points and my style points. | |
| It was about testing himself against the best striker in the UFC. It ain't about winning. | ||
| Barboza's the best kicker in the UFC. But the thing is, Barboza, his kicks, especially his switch kick, is so fast it doesn't even seem like it's really happening. | ||
| He would throw that switch kick, and it was just like, I can't believe how fast that is. | ||
| He's extremely fast. | ||
| You'd see the look on guys' faces when he would hit him with it like, whoa! | ||
| So after fighting Marbosa, now I gotta fight another guy. | ||
| We were talking about styles earlier. | ||
| These styles, you're breaking down. | ||
| Everybody has these styles and I don't like the arts. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because they all have holes in them and you gotta be able to use pieces of them to piece your fight together. | ||
| Bruce Lee style. | ||
| So after I fought... | ||
| Barbosa, I now fight the new-age kicker, Rafael Fazeev. | ||
| Yeah, Fazeev. | ||
| That was a great fight. | ||
| That was a great fucking fight. | ||
| And that was a wake-up call to a lot of people about how effective you are against world-class strikers. | ||
| That was a close-ass fight. | ||
| And I think a lot of people thought Fazeev is this, you know, he's a trainer at Tiger Muay Thai. | ||
| He's nasty. | ||
| I trained with him out there at Tiger. | ||
| That KO of Muay Kano. | ||
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Woo! | |
| Dude, he's fucking nasty, and you went pillar to post with him. | ||
| Yeah, he had his visa troubles, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He had some visa, that's why he couldn't fight, right? | ||
| He had some visa. | ||
| Something's going on, right? | ||
| Visa, yeah, something's going on, you're right. | ||
| That's why I don't like, I'm gonna just say it, I don't like, if you train in Thailand, I'll be kind of suspect about you. | ||
| Because they can get drugs over the counter, like steroids and shit like that, like cough syrup. | ||
| Don't you USADA visit Thailand? | ||
| Fuck no! | ||
| How far is USADA? You don't think so? | ||
| Is that the dirty secret? | ||
| Wait a minute! | ||
| Don't stop it with me! | ||
| Listen, I don't play games! | ||
| I'm not afraid to talk about it. | ||
| I'm not afraid to talk about it. | ||
| Well, I'm glad you're here, though. | ||
| And we're getting ready for the walkout. | ||
| You guys are going to call us out, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| The UFC comes to us and goes, hey, all right, you guys are going to come up there and you're going to take your shirts off, you know, on the scale and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| He looked like he saw the police. | ||
| He was like, what? | ||
| Take our shirt off? | ||
| Why do I got to take my shirt off? | ||
| Because he didn't want to show that acne back knee of his, you know? | ||
| So I'm like, oh, I called onto it already. | ||
| And so he didn't take his shirt off. | ||
| I was the only one who took my shirt off. | ||
| I'm like, oh, okay. | ||
| How long before the fight is this? | ||
| This is the weigh-ins that he did that. | ||
| So the day before the fight he's got back knee, you think? | ||
| That shit don't go away. | ||
| Why do you think we'd be saying that shit? | ||
| We've noticed that shit. | ||
| We see it. | ||
| It's noticeable in fighters. | ||
| That shit don't go away. | ||
| Is that 100% from Royce? | ||
| They have pictures of guys and they go back knee, back knee. | ||
| But I can tell you 100% that I know for a fact that they all use him. | ||
| How do you know that for a fact? | ||
| Fucking watched them buy them. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| A lot of you gotta be cheating, man. | ||
| A lot of you gotta be cheating, bro. | ||
| So what happened was, we're in Thailand, we're training. | ||
| And on Playfair. | ||
| And what's the other little kid's name just lost? | ||
| Peter Yan. | ||
| Peter Yan. | ||
| Another Thailand guy. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Are you guys thinking there's a reason why these guys go to Thailand? | ||
| Is this the allegation? | ||
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Oh, absolutely. | |
| Fuck those guys. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Man. | ||
| You don't think this just go there for great Thai training? | ||
| No. | ||
| There's some of that, right? | ||
| There's great recovery. | ||
| There's great Thai training. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| There's great recovery. | ||
| But there's great recovery. | ||
| They stretch you out. | ||
| They massage you. | ||
| You can do all that stuff. | ||
| Have you been to Phuket? | ||
| No. | ||
| You haven't been to Phuket? | ||
| No, I haven't. | ||
| Oh, you'll love it. | ||
| I've heard it's awesome. | ||
| It's gym, CrossFit gym, gym, CrossFit gym, CrossFit gym. | ||
| Everybody goes there to get jacked. | ||
| Man, and it's wild. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Faraz? | ||
| Faraz Ahabi? | ||
| Faraz Ahabi. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| The kid who fought. | ||
| Fizeh. | ||
| Oh, Rafael Fizeh. | ||
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Oh, Rafael Fizeh. | |
| Oh, whatever, whatever. | ||
| He's over 200 pounds, bro. | ||
| We're out there training with him. | ||
| He's swole. | ||
| He was huge. | ||
| Huge. | ||
| So one of my guys gets staff over there. | ||
| So I tell him, I say, hey, just go ask the coach, you know, like where to get... | ||
| We didn't know that they sold all this stuff in the pharmacies like that, right? | ||
| So I say, hey, ask the coach, you know, if he could get some stuff. | ||
| So he goes over and he's like, hey, you know where I can get any stuff at? | ||
| And he's like, yeah. | ||
| He's like, just go to the pharmacy. | ||
| And he's like, okay. | ||
| He's like, what do you want? | ||
| You know, he's like, Climbuterol. | ||
| He's like, naming off all this shit. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| And I'm like, no, no, no. | ||
| We need some shit for staff, bro. | ||
| Like, that's all we need. | ||
| But if people are doing that, how are they avoiding the testing? | ||
| I don't know, bro. | ||
| Listen, you know when you're going to fight. | ||
| He knew how long he was going to fight. | ||
| He's not taking no short on his fights. | ||
| Hey, I'm not saying that he was on anything when that fight happened. | ||
| I'm just saying, all these guys... | ||
| Listen, the sport Muay Thai itself, it's a... | ||
| Tough man thing. | ||
| You stand there, I stand there, pow, pow, and we get off, you know? | ||
| That is so damaging to the body, you know, that you need something, something to get some of that stuff back. | ||
| You start doing the shin to shin. | ||
| It's just a breakdown. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Anacidation, broken leg. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You need something to keep you strong for that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You gotta take some stuff. | ||
| I can understand it. | ||
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Right. | |
| I can understand it. | ||
| The thing is, I'm scared of needles. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| I'm scared of needles. | ||
| That's kind of my thing why I talk openly about drugs in the sport or PDs or whatever is because none of my guys, I've never had any of my guys ever test for anything positive. | ||
| So do you think that there are specific places that people go because they know USADA is not going to go to them and this is why they set up camps overseas? | ||
| For the most part. | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I never thought of that. | ||
| I thought of it the same way. | ||
| I know about other stuff that happens here. | ||
| That happens actually here with guys that you talk about and glorify as the baddest of the baddest. | ||
| And you know that they're doing something dirty? | ||
| I know for 100% sure. | ||
| I was told and I know the person gave it to them. | ||
| But I'm not going to be a snitch and rat them out. | ||
| But listen, I know it for a fact, okay? | ||
| For a fact. | ||
| So is there a stricter drug protocol in order? | ||
| Should they figure out a better one? | ||
| Let's go like this. | ||
| This is simple. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| You test positive for steroids. | ||
| Lifetime ban. | ||
| Yeah, but what if somebody taints someone's shit? | ||
| The problem is people are those fucking saboteurs. | ||
| I'm not saying that that is definitely happening a lot, but I'm saying it can happen. | ||
| If I know that Bobby Green can get suspended for life, and I think Bobby's an asshole, and I decide just to be funny to put some steroids in Bobby Green's yogurt. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
| People can do that, man. | ||
| There's a lot of assholes out there that would do something like that. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I mean, I'm not saying that that's even going to happen. | ||
| I'm saying you've got to protect. | ||
| You have to give a lot of steroids for it to stay in the system. | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| No, it's some stuff. | ||
| There's some stuff that can catch you. | ||
| Anytime, Pyotr Jan, USADA. See, they are. | ||
| They're visiting him. | ||
| Listen, stop it. | ||
| You don't think they're visiting him? | ||
| It's at Tiger Muay Thai they're visiting him. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Tiger got a lot of money. | ||
| Okay, now this is a baseless conspiracy. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not going there. | ||
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I'm just saying this. | |
| It's very easy to access those things out there. | ||
| When you put that type of stress on your body, you need certain things to keep you going in those aspects. | ||
| And that's what It's just what it is, you know? | ||
| Well, until they get caught, exactly. | ||
| Until they get caught, it's a conspiracy. | ||
| If guys like TJ can do it and he's here, and he gets tested all the time... | ||
| Yeah, but he didn't do it. | ||
| He got busted. | ||
| How many fights do you think he fought before he got caught? | ||
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That's what I'm saying. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| That's what we're saying. | ||
| Here's my question. | ||
| We don't really know what, if anything, he had done before. | ||
| We do know that that was an extraordinary moment because he was trying to make 125 pounds. | ||
| And we do know this, though. | ||
| We do know this. | ||
| Fucking, what's his name? | ||
| His other buddy said it and put him out there. | ||
| He said, TJ showed us how to do this shit a long time before he got caught. | ||
| That's hearsay. | ||
| It's hard to say. | ||
| It's documented. | ||
| What's your feeling on that? | ||
| How do you clean that area of the fight game up? | ||
| Well, I think it is a real problem, right? | ||
| And I think what is allowed and what's not allowed is a real problem. | ||
| We have to figure out what seems fair and what also seems foolish to ignore. | ||
| Like, what if they came along and said, no more ice baths? | ||
| You know, the anti-inflammation effect is akin to taking a drug and it's too potent. | ||
| No more saunas because you're raising up your heat shock proteins and show the reduced inflammation and it seems to be cheating because some people don't have access to saunas. | ||
| Because if you say something, that's like, there's a real argument in certain levels of performance enhancements you get from a lot of, like, standardly used things. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| So it's like, then you get to steroids and you jack that up way higher. | ||
| Like, we all agree. | ||
| There's a lot of stuff you can do that'll help you, but steroids changes you. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And then, especially if you, like, we were talking about the early eras. | ||
| But not only steroids, shit like EPO! Right, but people, this is my point, they were on fucking everything. | ||
| There was a lot of people that were bad motherfuckers and they were on everything. | ||
| So it was a different world then. | ||
| Especially in Pride. | ||
| Ensign Inouye told me that in capital letters, it says in his Pride contract, we do not test for steroids. | ||
| Like this, like this. | ||
| I'll tell you a funny story. | ||
| We don't even test. | ||
| I'll tell you a funny story. | ||
| When OSADA first came in, we started handling all these meetings with OSADA and they're telling us the program and how it's all going to lay out and all this stuff. | ||
| It was all very new. | ||
| We go in and they're like, all the coaches have to be at this specific meeting at this time and other coaches at this time. | ||
| They're setting up these things, introducing us to all the rules. | ||
| And there's a group of coaches and teams that are waiting to come into the room after we're done, right? | ||
| And everybody's like saying, oh, this is crazy, all this new SADA stuff, you know? | ||
| And I see this team, very famous team of coaches, sitting on this bench and they're listening to everybody as they're coming out, right? | ||
| And so I just tapped my guy and I'm like, hey man, this is fucking wild, man. | ||
| And he's like, what do you mean? | ||
| I said, I can't believe they're going to test coaches too. | ||
| Like this. | ||
| And all three of these fuckers on the bench went like this, looking at each other like... | ||
| And I was like, ah, you guys are busted. | ||
| Do you remember when Anderson Silva, there was something he tested positive for, and then they got a photo of his coach. | ||
| Did you ever see what Anderson's coach looks like? | ||
| He's like one of the most jacked humans that's ever lived. | ||
| He looks like a superhero. | ||
| But that's back to my point though. | ||
| Anderson is what I would consider a Muay Thai striker. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| And those things are damaging on the bones and stuff. | ||
| Of course, for sure. | ||
| He broke his leg against Chris Whiteman. | ||
| He needed to come back. | ||
| He got money and he got bills to pay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pop them fucking steroids. | ||
| Fuck you mean. | ||
| You know what's interesting? | ||
| It's like watching him box against Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. I'm like, my God, we're looking at a man who's in his 40s. | ||
| How good would he have been as a boxer if he was in his 20s? | ||
| If he just went straight into boxing? | ||
| Anderson was... | ||
| Okay, okay, so that's why Anderson's like at number one. | ||
| Did you see him when he fought, uh, Chavez? | ||
| Style points! | ||
| I know, that's style points. | ||
| You see how he styled on him? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He made him look like you don't even belong with me. | ||
| Remember when he knocked out Tito Ortiz, like, Jesus, like, Anderson can fucking box. | ||
| Like, really, really boxed. | ||
| I see him stand next to him, and I'm like, man, this guy doesn't look- Chael said Tito faked it. | ||
| Chael said Tito faked it. | ||
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Who said that? | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He said he faked the knock down and shit. | ||
| Chael always said some fucking crazy shit. | ||
| Chael's on his pro wrestling shit. | ||
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I love Uncle Chael. | |
| I love Uncle Chael. | ||
| I think it's crazy. | ||
| He's important, because he's a legit guy. | ||
| He was a legit fighter. | ||
| But another guy who figured it out? | ||
| And a funny dude. | ||
| Yeah, figured out how to promote. | ||
| Was one of the best ever at promoting. | ||
| Because it was straight pro wrestling. | ||
| Like, he would win a fight. | ||
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Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck! | |
| And he would look around like he was doing pro wrestling promotion. | ||
| It was pretty awesome. | ||
| Joe, let me ask you this. | ||
| How do you feel about the new shit with the UFC giving out crypto? | ||
| I don't know how I feel about that. | ||
| But one thing I do want to say, if anybody... | ||
| I want to say this one more thing about Chael. | ||
| Go back and watch Chael vs. | ||
| Nate. | ||
| Nate Marquardt. | ||
| When Nate Marquardt was in his prime. | ||
| When Nate Marquardt was a fucking destroyer. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| I grew up in Strikeforce. | ||
| I was in Strikeforce. | ||
| I saw him in Strikeforce. | ||
| He knocked out Damian Meyer with one punch in the UFC. Tyrone Woodley. | ||
| Nate Markhart. | ||
| Oh yeah, Tyrone Woodley KO was a video game KO. Bro, his Strikeforce upcoming was way better. | ||
| He was nasty in Strikeforce. | ||
| I think you're right. | ||
| I think he got to a point. | ||
| I think every fighter has a certain amount of holes that can get punched in his ticket. | ||
| And then after a while, fighters just don't have it anymore. | ||
| That's why I go back to defense, karate, base. | ||
| It's taking that damage. | ||
| Nate Markhart was a goddamn assassin. | ||
| And Chael Sonnen manhandled him. | ||
| Chael manhandled him. | ||
| That was when we got to see how good of a wrestler an MMA Chael really is. | ||
| That's when I knew Chael was a shit, and I knew I had my money on Chael beating Anderson, and then he got tapped, you know, at the last minute. | ||
| That's the craziest shit of all time. | ||
| That was probably an awesome play, right? | ||
| That is the craziest shit of all time that he got tapped there. | ||
| Like, wow. | ||
| In a fight that he 100% would have won if he just danced around and didn't even engage for three minutes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What round was it that he got tapped? | ||
| Was it the fifth? | ||
| It was the fifth. | ||
| And it was how many minutes? | ||
| 34 seconds or something left. | ||
| I thought it was a minute left. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| It was close. | ||
| I think you're right. | ||
| I think you're right. | ||
| I think it was like somewhere in the minute range. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Chael's funny, though. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| He was almost the champ, and he was almost the champ of the WEC, too. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| And Paolo Filio, he didn't make weight for the second one. | ||
| And when he didn't make weight for the second one, so there was no title. | ||
| And so Chael won the decision, but didn't win the title. | ||
| I absolutely love Uncle Chael, you know? | ||
| I love that guy, too. | ||
| And the only problem is that... | ||
| Is that he painted a little bit with the steroid stuff, too. | ||
| Dude, he's hilarious about it. | ||
| You know what, though? | ||
| You come out openly, start talking about it like that, everybody else kind of shuts up about it. | ||
| That's where at least I'm so torn about it because I'm like this warrior for drug-free, you know, clean. | ||
| Do you think that that's why maybe he didn't achieve those moments? | ||
| Who knows, man? | ||
| I mean, I think a lot of people were on something at one point in time. | ||
| A lot of people. | ||
| And then as USADA came along, it definitely tightened things up. | ||
| We saw those physiques shrink. | ||
| We saw a lot of physiques shrink. | ||
| Lower weight classes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I think there was three factors. | ||
| And one of the first factors was when they stopped TRT replacement. | ||
| Because at that point, they're like, what are we doing? | ||
| We're just letting you take as much of this as you want? | ||
| That's what's so crazy! | ||
| He started looking younger. | ||
| His hair started going back. | ||
| His shit was like werewolf levels. | ||
| His hair was going back. | ||
| He looked like he was 18 years old again. | ||
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I know. | |
| He looks pretty goddamn good. | ||
| I remember we were in a hot tub with him, right? | ||
| Oh yeah, you remember that? | ||
| And this one starts preaching to us. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| Preaching all kinds of crazy, like you gotta do things right. | ||
| He was big brothering me. | ||
| We were in the hot tub and he's telling me like, you know, like because I was playing rap music. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he felt like it was like bad, you know? | ||
| Disrespectful. | ||
| Disrespectful, you know? | ||
| In the sauna? | ||
| In the hot tub. | ||
| Hot tub. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So we're just sitting there, and then his team came, and he's like, don't play that music. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Don't play that music. | ||
| It's bad, you know? | ||
| Like, Jesus, you know? | ||
| And I believe in Jesus, too. | ||
| So when he had his whole allegation, I'm like, hey, when you put dirt on people, you know? | ||
| And he tested positive after that fight. | ||
| Yeah, and I'm like, how can you preach like that? | ||
| And then... | ||
| Behind the screen, you're cheating people. | ||
| Because you can fuck these people's lives up. | ||
| That's the whole thing about the whole cheating thing. | ||
| Look at Cody. | ||
| Cody's an awesome guy. | ||
| Garbert? | ||
| Garbert? | ||
| Garbert. | ||
| He's a fucking cool dude, man. | ||
| And you think about it, his climb to get there was very tough, you know? | ||
| To have those epic fights with TJ, and then not get his win bonus. | ||
| Not get sponsorship money now. | ||
| And TJ take that shit from him the wrong way. | ||
| But do you think... | ||
| Okay, so that wasn't a fight where he tested positive, though. | ||
| But I'm saying he's speculating on the same thing that you do the shit until you get caught. | ||
| I know guys that were on the wrestling team with TJ in college, wrestled with him in college, and this has been an ongoing thing since college. | ||
| Well, this is just the big accusation show. | ||
| Oh, fuck yeah. | ||
| Call it what you want to call it. | ||
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Conspiracy theorists. | |
| One of my best friends ran in the Olympics, right? | ||
| He's a track runner. | ||
| They decent best. | ||
| They're all on steroids. | ||
| I have a painting of that. | ||
| My big dog tell me this. | ||
| Yeah, bro. | ||
| Does Dose Brock make us a painting of that? | ||
| That's dope. | ||
| They told me all this shit before he was even, before he fought Conor and all this stuff. | ||
| Bro, he's a fucking genius. | ||
| He predicted all this shit. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| He was trying to tell me the ins and outs, the do's, the don'ts, how everything is. | ||
| Don't be like this. | ||
| Everybody be doing this shit. | ||
| Yeah, they be doing this shit. | ||
| And they do this. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then she started seeing it. | ||
| Surely there's got to be some people that aren't on steroids. | ||
| Like BJ Penn, I think he was clean. | ||
| Man, he's one of my favorites of all time. | ||
| I think he was clean this entire career. | ||
| Someone told me he's the only UFC fighter that was a clean UFC champion. | ||
| Somebody told me, and I'm like, what? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That doesn't sound like that makes any sense. | ||
| That broke my heart. | ||
| And he broke down every fighter that I was like, well, what about? | ||
| How does he know? | ||
| What? | ||
| How does he know? | ||
| How does he know? | ||
| Because he's in that realm. | ||
| Those guys that, oh, well, they do this, and when this does this, you know what the, like, faking a certain steroid has a certain side effect. | ||
| It builds your nipples up, you know? | ||
| Like, one of them gets those nipple things, you know? | ||
| And you gotta take the calcium out of your nipples. | ||
| Different things that guys do, we recognize signs. | ||
| What did you say? | ||
| The cartilage out of your nipple? | ||
| I said calcium. | ||
| Oh, calcium. | ||
| Is that what it is like? | ||
| No, they're glands. | ||
| They're lymph glands. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Don't quote me on that. | ||
| I'm not exactly sure. | ||
| But this way, someone's breaking this all down to me. | ||
| As he told me, every fighter, I'm like, no, not Georges St-Pierre. | ||
| That's my guy. | ||
| Georges St-Pierre's always been clean. | ||
| He's like, I have speculations that he has from this, from this, and this. | ||
| He never touched the closet for nothing, though. | ||
| And he hasn't. | ||
| But I'm just saying, he said that. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Everyone's going to hate. | ||
| They would hate on everybody. | ||
| The most natural of guys. | ||
| They would think Mark Hunt's on steroids. | ||
| People hate on people. | ||
| They make stuff up. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| There's always a lot of that. | ||
| But when he did that, I'm not saying I believed it, but I didn't say that's something I'm going off. | ||
| I'm saying that's something I just looked at. | ||
| It's kind of interesting. | ||
| Then Nate told me some things, and it was kind of interesting. | ||
| And then I started to... | ||
| Actually come upon the fact where I know certain people in the industry that help these guys do these things. | ||
| And I'm like, oh yeah? | ||
| He's like, yeah, he came in here. | ||
| He was this much. | ||
| He gave him this. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| So what do these guys do if USADA shows up? | ||
| They got fake dicks. | ||
| They got fake dicks. | ||
| You tell me, sir. | ||
| Those dudes with the wisdom neighbors. | ||
| I would imagine it's probably pretty easy to figure out who's all tested positive. | ||
| I don't fucking know what these guys are doing. | ||
| And listen, I'm not a drug guy. | ||
| I'm not trying to find out how to break the rules. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| I'm saying, like, how are they getting away with it? | ||
| I wish I knew the password. | ||
| I'm saying... | ||
| The million dollar question. | ||
| It seems like if someone was doing that... | ||
| If someone's doing that all the time, it seems like they would get busted today. | ||
| You would think so. | ||
| You would think so. | ||
| But listen. | ||
| I've been... | ||
| So what kind of stuff do they take? | ||
| Okay, okay, Joe, I'm gonna keep it 100 with you. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| I've been... | ||
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I've been... | |
| I've been eight... | ||
| Like, uh, what's her name? | ||
| I've been eight months without being tested. | ||
| You can't tell me I couldn't be in known shit? | ||
| Yeah, but you couldn't because what if you decided to take something today... | ||
| And they popped up on me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's always the possibility, but they're risking that for millions of dollars. | ||
| You called them in. | ||
| We're talking about millions of dollars. | ||
| They come all the time. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| You gotta come now. | ||
| Come out here and check this. | ||
| Come check this. | ||
| Come check this, sir. | ||
| If I'm going to be this way, I'm going to say this, I've got to stand on it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And so, like, what's her name? | ||
| She was a Russian fighter. | ||
| She's like, listen, I've been from here. | ||
| And she trained in Thailand, too. | ||
| I'm from Romania. | ||
| I was in Thailand. | ||
| They haven't tested me in a whole year. | ||
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Wow. | |
| You know? | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| But the idea is that if you have a big fight coming up, they could. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A big fight? | ||
| They could just show up. | ||
| Especially if you have a... | ||
| A big fight? | ||
| But if you only got a big card and they know... | ||
| That's why they didn't get tested. | ||
| Let's give them a chance. | ||
| Let's test them. | ||
| That's why they didn't get tested. | ||
| There's what that didn't get tested? | ||
| Flights that didn't get tested. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Oh, at all? | ||
| Because I didn't just come. | ||
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No. | |
| Wait a minute. | ||
| So they didn't test you the entire camp? | ||
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Yes! | |
| Wow. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| So how come some guys have like... | ||
| Cody has like a 50 jacket. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| I'm trying to get my jacket. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| Where my jacket at? | ||
| I asked them that. | ||
| I'm like, where my jacket at? | ||
| I want my little sticker and my little... | ||
| I want all that! | ||
| Here's the problem with that jacket. | ||
| If you're not testing anybody uniformly, you give people the opportunity to get one of those jackets. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| If they're not testing you at all, and they're testing some dude 50 times... | ||
| He's getting all the... | ||
| Why's he getting a jacket? | ||
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Yeah! | |
| It's just like, because you persecuted him? | ||
| It was a clean athlete? | ||
| Are you giving him a nice little candy? | ||
| And now they can walk around and say they're clean. | ||
| I hear that they're doing something new too. | ||
| The fuck are they doing? | ||
| I want to say like, they're giving necklaces or something like that now. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| They get something new. | ||
| But yeah, so what do you think about the new, I guess it's the fan bonus? | ||
| I heard some news about that. | ||
| I do not know about this. | ||
| That the UFC is going to be giving 50 grand away in crypto? | ||
| UFC to implement fan vote. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's not the same thing. | ||
| No? | ||
| UFC to implement fan-voted... | ||
| Bitkom, yeah, they're giving Bitkom away. | ||
| To be paid in Bitcoin. | ||
| Bitcoin, yeah. | ||
| And it'll be sponsored by Crypto.com, UFC's cryptocurrency partner. | ||
| The winner will get $30,000 US dollars in Bitcoin. | ||
| Second place gets $20,000 in Bitcoin. | ||
| Third place gets $10,000. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| That's dope. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So they're giving away cryptocurrency. | ||
| Yeah, I'm like, that's interesting. | ||
| So now we get into this crypto market, you know? | ||
| And the fact The fact that they're doing it as a bonus is nice. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| And then the fans can decide. | ||
| The fans decide on it then. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think it should be. | ||
| But how do you do that if you have a Gilbert Burns, Hamzat, Chemaia fight? | ||
| How do you not give both of those guys a bonus for that? | ||
| Dana did. | ||
| Dana gave Gilbert his win bonus. | ||
| Thank God they are. | ||
| Because in that situation, the fan bonus, how do the fans vote there? | ||
| They should be able to vote in a certain situation. | ||
| If enough people say yes, they should be able to give it to two people. | ||
| Because it's not just one... | ||
| Yeah, it should be given to both fighters. | ||
| Both fighters were exemplary. | ||
| You think it's going to be a bonus that they only give one fighter to? | ||
| It shouldn't be. | ||
| It definitely shouldn't. | ||
| It shouldn't go to just Hamzat after the performance that Gilbert put in. | ||
| I mean, that was an amazing performance. | ||
| When he spun Hamzat's face around with that right hand, I'm like, holy, Hamzat has a fucking chin, man. | ||
| Because Gilbert cracked him. | ||
| I still got to go home and study it. | ||
| Oh my goodness, what a fight. | ||
| I haven't got to watch the fight yet, I'm going to be honest. | ||
| What a fight, what a fight. | ||
| And I'm hearing about it, you know, and this was a true test for Jermiah to really get an eye on him and see, how good are you, kid? | ||
| Gilbert landed more strikes. | ||
| Gilbert posted on his Instagram, like the numbers, the breakdowns and the numbers, which, you know, obviously doesn't mean everything, because a person could land... | ||
| Because I think if someone could land many grazing shots and someone plants you with one, that one counts way more. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| That's where I'm trying to get to is how do you see fighting? | ||
| That's where we have an issue with judging. | ||
| But it's so subjective, but that's the point. | ||
| Some people think a takedown is everything. | ||
| Some people think a takedown only means something if you do damage. | ||
| If the guy gets back up and you took him down, That's something, but you haven't inhibited him at all. | ||
| All you've done is taken him down. | ||
| You haven't, like, hurt him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that happens oftentimes, where you see a takedown, and then it's just a positional scramble, and then the person gets up to their feet, and no exchanges. | ||
| No strikes, lands at all. | ||
| But that guy's winning the round. | ||
| But he wins the round for that, which I think it should be worth something if you do damage, something if you threaten for a submission, but then less of a thing if nothing happens. | ||
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| No ground and pound at all. | ||
| And I think that's where it's subjective, because I think we can decide what is most effective. | ||
| Is a guy backing up and catching the counter shots more effective? | ||
| Or is it you coming forward and being aggressive? | ||
| Because that's the other thing. | ||
| People say, oh, the aggressor should be awarded more points. | ||
| Like, always? | ||
| Because maybe that guy's just making a tactical error. | ||
| If he's making a tactical error, the guy who avoids that error should be rewarded. | ||
| This is a good conversation between people that understand that. | ||
| I think the problem that we have is our judges are not educated. | ||
| Oh, I don't think that's true. | ||
| I think a lot of them are educated. | ||
| You think a lot of them train? | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| And a lot of them have old backgrounds in martial arts. | ||
| Yeah, I do. | ||
| I just don't, I don't know how many great ones there are. | ||
| I think it's a hard fucking job. | ||
| It's like hardest job, fighter. | ||
| Second hardest job, referee. | ||
| Third hardest job, judge. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| Yeah, because you're fucking, you're putting a guy's career, you're putting it out there, like the Jan Sterling fight, for instance. | ||
| Very close fight. | ||
| You look at it, you go, wow, how do you score this, you know? | ||
| For sure, Jan, the fourth and fifth, it looked like he won those two championship rounds. | ||
| But damn, we got to see some phenomenal grappling. | ||
| We got to see Al Jermaine put on a fucking back clinic. | ||
| A back-taking clinic and holding. | ||
| That's against a guy who trained to avoid his back. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| I mean, Al Jermaine is the backpack. | ||
| Everybody knows he's a master at the rear naked choke. | ||
| So he's a void. | ||
| That's what he's wanting to avoid. | ||
| And he gets there anywhere. | ||
| And once he gets there, he can't get free. | ||
| The entire round. | ||
| He didn't have an escape for the body lock. | ||
| That's true, but also the entire round, he's just defending against being strangled. | ||
| Like, almost the entire round. | ||
| That's worth a lot! | ||
| The idea that that's a 10-9 is, to me, crazy. | ||
| Yeah, okay, I see what you're saying. | ||
| Crazy! | ||
| So, fan bonuses, previous fan bonuses, Hamza Chmaev, Volkanovski, and Pyotr Jan. | ||
| Volkanovski. | ||
| You want to talk about a dude who's on another level. | ||
| He was there too. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| We trained with him, Peter, and the other guy in Thailand at Tiger. | ||
| And this kid, Volkanovski, was fucking cool. | ||
| He was like the only cool one out of that whole fucking group. | ||
| He's very cool. | ||
| Very cool. | ||
| And my God, is he good. | ||
| He worked his ass off too. | ||
| He was a hard worker. | ||
| My God, is he good. | ||
| He's so goddamn good. | ||
| This weekend, I was stunned. | ||
| I was stunned watching that performance. | ||
| Because I knew, you know, everybody knows Korean Zombie's tough. | ||
| Everybody knows that Volkanovski is vicious. | ||
| Vicious. | ||
| He's fantastic at ground and pound, vicious striking. | ||
| But all that shit was on a totally different level Saturday night. | ||
| Like all of his footwork and movement, his ability to avoid counters, his timing. | ||
| It was so precise. | ||
| The fights with Max, man. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You gather so much knowledge in fights like that. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| I think he's even better now. | ||
| I mean, I think he gets better every time we see him, and I think that was the best version of him by far. | ||
| Not that all the other versions weren't super impressive, too. | ||
| He's just even better than he was before. | ||
| I mean, that was a fucking masterclass. | ||
| That was a masterclass in hitting someone and not getting hit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just imposing your will. | ||
| That's... | ||
| That's what we try to do. | ||
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It's incredible. | |
| You were showing fan bonuses there? | ||
| Was that already happening? | ||
| Yeah, that's the fan bonuses. | ||
| Oh snap. | ||
| So that was these past three guys. | ||
| So say Bitcoin goes up or down, will that 30G change? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| No, because it said 10,000. | ||
| I could be like a millionaire tomorrow if you just skyrocket. | ||
| It might. | ||
| It said 10,000 of a Bitcoin. | ||
| $10,000 worth of Bitcoin? | ||
| Of a Bitcoin, yeah. | ||
| Oh, so no matter what, it'll always be $10,000? | ||
| Is that what they're doing? | ||
| That's why I read it. | ||
| Oh, that's dark. | ||
| So then that means U.S. currency has infected Bitcoin. | ||
| Man, Bitcoin is everywhere now. | ||
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Oh, it will. | |
| When they start printing more dollars, watch what happens, bro. | ||
| He's a big Bitcoin. | ||
| Don't even start with his Bitcoin. | ||
| He's a big Bitcoin advocate. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And then you got this Ethereum stuff coming. | ||
| And I'm so confused. | ||
| I don't know anything about anything. | ||
| It's still new. | ||
| It's a bunch of numbers, so it's hard for me to trust. | ||
| They offer you this fight with Islam. | ||
| They offer it to you on a short amount of notice. | ||
| You take this fight. | ||
| When they do something like that, do they say to you, like, hey, we really appreciate you doing this. | ||
| I know this is kind of a crazy thing to ask for. | ||
| So if you do this, we'll hook you up next time. | ||
| Do you guys have those kind of conversations? | ||
| I wish. | ||
| I feel like I just do what I'm told. | ||
| My manager does all the talking. | ||
| Do you just rather not think about it and just concentrate on the training and the fighting? | ||
| I'll hit Sean up every once in a while and just send him some good love. | ||
| Hit Dana up, send him some love. | ||
| But I don't ever talk business or anything like that. | ||
| That's the manager stop. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Good for you, man. | ||
| I don't want to get on their bad side or anything like that. | ||
| So they hit me up about it and I'm like... | ||
| Like, fuck, Jason, I just got out of a fight. | ||
| My hands were still swollen. | ||
| I got some knots from checking kicks, and you want me to go get in here? | ||
| How many days out have you been removed from your last fight? | ||
| Three or four. | ||
| So it was three or four days out from your last fight, then you get this phone call. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is so crazy. | ||
| Because it's two weeks total. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what is your thoughts? | ||
| Are you thinking at this point in time that this isn't wise? | ||
| And that, you know, it's too much to ask. | ||
| You just had a fight and got banged up. | ||
| But also, there's an amazing opportunity. | ||
| How do you decide? | ||
| How do I decide? | ||
| How I decide this is like, one, I felt like, alright, I got two different pathways. | ||
| One is, you can do this, and it's all the bad. | ||
| It's gonna be an embarrassment, okay? | ||
| I know what's coming, because you're throwing this shit together. | ||
| You're not prepared. | ||
| You're still fucked up. | ||
| You're out of shape. | ||
| You need to get the weight down. | ||
| I realize all things are coming with this. | ||
| Just the media alone for a main event show is fucking nuts, Joe. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| How much more is it? | ||
| What do you have to do? | ||
| For instance, I pull up to the gym. | ||
| Sam had been calling me and telling me, yeah, these guys are calling about doing this, but he didn't let you know that, hey, it's like... | ||
| They're very invasive. | ||
| Very invasive. | ||
| So I pull up, and there are already cameras on me, and I'm like, what's going on? | ||
| And had I known, I would have came in my good car. | ||
| I came in my beat-up car that I used for gas. | ||
| I'm like, we were filming now? | ||
| What are you guys filming? | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| I'm not ready. | ||
| My hair's not cut. | ||
| No, they don't care. | ||
| We're just filming, filming. | ||
| They want to get in your car and ride everywhere around with you. | ||
| You can't go to no food without them. | ||
| They want to watch you cook. | ||
| I'm just like, What? | ||
| And I'm not used to this. | ||
| I don't know what's going on. | ||
| And you don't have a yes or a no. | ||
| You can't say. | ||
| I'm trying to play with the show. | ||
| I'm trying to do what. | ||
| And so I hear guys like, Nate tell them to fuck off. | ||
| And I can see why. | ||
| Because why? | ||
| It gets tiresome. | ||
| And so that's just one piece. | ||
| Two, the media. | ||
| Do they interrupt your training? | ||
| All the time. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Can you turn the music down? | ||
| Turn it off? | ||
| Can you do some shadow boxing for us? | ||
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Can you do this? | |
| Oh, no. | ||
| Can you do specific activities? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're going to ask you to do this. | ||
| What the fuck is that? | ||
| But we don't want to interrupt your training. | ||
| They say that, but you are. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| So in the middle of a training, they ask you to do specific kinds of exercises that aren't on your program? | ||
| Yes, for little things that they need, little bits and stuff that they're... | ||
| But that's crazy. | ||
| That should be afterwards. | ||
| You can't interrupt an actual training session. | ||
| For the most point, it usually is. | ||
| But... | ||
| Are they engaging with you while you're actually training and talking to you? | ||
| No, they'll sit back and they'll watch and let you do your thing. | ||
| They'll let you do your thing from the most point. | ||
| But it's just like... | ||
| So how are they asking you to shadow box and stuff then? | ||
| They're asking me to shadowbox and stuff. | ||
| We don't want to stop you. | ||
| They'll stop me. | ||
| Hey, can we get a little bit of this for me? | ||
| Or we need these things? | ||
| And kind of explain what they're trying to do. | ||
| And I'm like, all right, we'll get to that. | ||
| We'll get to that. | ||
| We finish this stuff up. | ||
| We finish this. | ||
| Then we give them what they need. | ||
| But it's just part of the game. | ||
| But could you imagine them doing that to any other professional athlete? | ||
| Could you imagine? | ||
| It's just part of the game. | ||
| Does that happen to Floyd Mayweather, do you think? | ||
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No. | |
| I think there's different levels, so you gotta accept it for the promotion level. | ||
| This is great promotion. | ||
| Embedded is great promotion. | ||
| Yeah, you want to put your promotion, you want to put your stuff out. | ||
| So you have to accept it. | ||
| So you just deal with the intrusion. | ||
| But they should just stay the fuck out of your training. | ||
| Film what you film, but don't say, Shadowbox, please. | ||
| Even your privacy, where me and my coach are doing game planning. | ||
| But that's crazy. | ||
| They do that when we go in the back, like we're getting ready to come out to fight. | ||
| And the cameras will come in, hey, can you guys do this and do this? | ||
| Oh my god, that's crazy. | ||
| You can't fuck with the preparation. | ||
| You can't mix the preparation in with theater. | ||
| Well, you get his mind in the right mental state. | ||
| But the show has to go on. | ||
| They need this for the show. | ||
| Yeah, but they need... | ||
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Need it for the show. | |
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You need to organically catch people hitting pads. | ||
| True that. | ||
| You know, so have someone in there that's filming that can catch you kicking pads and stays out of the way, and then you got footage, and then you have someone cut that footage in whenever you want to show someone preparing. | ||
| They'll be like, we'll be doing sparring today, and they'll be like, oh, well... | ||
| Aren't you doing some, like, strength and conditioning? | ||
| Can you do some runs? | ||
| I'm like, no, that's not until tomorrow we do those. | ||
| Well, can you, like, just run and do this for us? | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Like, today's not striking day. | ||
| Well, can you? | ||
| See, that's my point. | ||
| It's like, that alone is a problem because no one should be talking to you. | ||
| If you're getting ready for a big fight, your head should be entirely screwed into that, not other people telling you. | ||
| And I know it's only one day, but it doesn't matter if it's only one day. | ||
| Not just one day! | ||
| Oh, they're there a lot. | ||
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Yes! | |
| The whole ten days. | ||
| And doing that the whole time? | ||
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Yes! | |
| Talking to you the whole time? | ||
| Listen, my other coach, Sam, he's a really nice guy. | ||
| But he started getting irritated. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| You could see it, and Sam is not confrontational, but you could just read it, because I know him, I could read his energy. | ||
| And I asked him a question, and He didn't answer the question. | ||
| Like, for instance, where are you guys going next? | ||
| He doesn't want to go and he doesn't want you guys to film. | ||
| But so he'll be like, oh, we're not going to be doing anything. | ||
| But then they went around and they asked me. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| And didn't tell me they asked him. | ||
| So I'm like, oh, Sam didn't tell you. | ||
| We're going to. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| We're going to. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Can we come along? | ||
| Yeah, but yeah. | ||
| And next year, Sam, I got to talk. | ||
| So you can say no? | ||
| They say you can say no, but... | ||
| It's just weird. | ||
| You can say no, but it's like, we need our footage. | ||
| They make you feel like, well, you're not giving us the footage. | ||
| We need this. | ||
| Right, and then you can't complain about not being promoted. | ||
| And then if it's not good... | ||
| Right, because that's a thing too, right? | ||
| They want it again. | ||
| It's not good enough. | ||
| We need it again, you know? | ||
| Like, shit like that. | ||
| Like, one time I was so tired and so in a bad mood, I shot a terrible-ass interview. | ||
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I was just like... | |
| You know? | ||
| So then, like, they're like, that was shit. | ||
| Like, can you... | ||
| And I had to do the whole hour again. | ||
| Remember that one time Holloway gave an interview and it was so odd that they didn't want him to fight? | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He had the same thing I had where his eyes looked funny. | ||
| Everybody's looking at him. | ||
| Are you okay? | ||
| He was just real tired. | ||
| One of my eyes was doing the same thing. | ||
| It was like, I was cutting a lot of weight. | ||
| I'm doing all this stuff. | ||
| Detoxing. | ||
| You know, everything's happening at once. | ||
| And one of my eyes, I kept saying, why is my eyes stuck like this? | ||
| Like it was like one was stuck. | ||
| Like I look like weird. | ||
| Max had something going on. | ||
| I don't remember what it was, but it all cleared up, whatever it was. | ||
| Max had something going on, and he was trying to make weight. | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| They were concerned that he sounded odd, right? | ||
| And we never figured out what happened, what it was. | ||
| Same thing happened with me. | ||
| I don't know what happened, but my kidneys shut down, one of my lungs collapsed. | ||
| Oh, Jesus Christ. | ||
| I failed making weight. | ||
| So it's the weight cut thing again. | ||
| I think that was what Max did. | ||
| I think that was a short notice fight for him to do that. | ||
| You know what I think it is, to be honest with you, is they have these infrared photos. | ||
| But he was fighting at 55 for that fight. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| He was fighting at 55 for that fight, and he had something gone. | ||
| Yeah, he was down there, and he had no idea that he was going to fight. | ||
| Tony had fallen, tripped on some wires, and tore his knee apart. | ||
| And so he had to take that fight on super-duper short notice. | ||
| I wonder if that was it, though. | ||
| I feel like it was another time. | ||
| Same thing for me. | ||
| I had the fight on two weeks' notice. | ||
| But I don't think that was connected. | ||
| I don't think that was... | ||
| He never said it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I think we're confusing stories. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah, because I think there was one which was the New York State Athletic Commission, I believe, looked at him... | ||
| I think he had it twice! | ||
| I think this was one where the New York State Athletic Commission looked at him cutting the weight and they're like, we're gonna stop you right here. | ||
| And he was like, I can still do this. | ||
| And they're like, no, we're gonna stop your weight cut. | ||
| And then the other one was an interview that he did where he was talking to someone and they felt like he seems too tired. | ||
| Like he seemed really tired. | ||
| And they were trying to figure out what was wrong with him, but they attributed to like... | ||
| Him being jet-lagged or something else. | ||
| But since then, had some of his finest performances, like the Calvin Cater fight. | ||
| So whatever it was... | ||
| It went away. | ||
| It went away. | ||
| Same with me. | ||
| They don't know exactly what it is, right? | ||
| Is that the case? | ||
| Probably hydration. | ||
| That's what I believe in. | ||
| When you take these short notice and you have to put those things together, what it does, your body has to cut that weight. | ||
| Those Volkanovski fights were wild. | ||
| I was so bummed out. | ||
| I mean, I wanted to see that third fight. | ||
| I wanted to see how that plays out. | ||
| Because Max has never looked better, and then Volkanovski on Saturday night has never looked better. | ||
| That's the fight. | ||
| That's the next fight, I hope. | ||
| I hope they do that. | ||
| It's a fucking crazy matchup. | ||
| But then Cejudo's talking about coming out of retirement. | ||
| So if he comes back, says he's going to get back into the testing pool, how long does he have to be in it before they let him in? | ||
| Max Holloway. | ||
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I have no idea. | |
| So let's hear what he sounds like. | ||
| Because maybe they exaggerated. | ||
| See his eye? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You're giving me with this emoji. | |
| Alright. | ||
| His eye. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's when I give the answer. | ||
| Anyway, listen. | ||
| On to the fight. | ||
| Brian Ortega. | ||
| Is this the biggest challenge to your title or what? | ||
| For sure. | ||
| You know, the next fight is always the biggest fight. | ||
| Who does? | ||
| Ortega is the next guy up. | ||
| You know, he got a great team. | ||
| He's a great guy, great team behind him, and that's why he's here in front of me. | ||
| I like this kid. | ||
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This kid's good. | |
| I don't think this seems like there's anything wrong with him. | ||
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I'm not trying to start anything here, Max, but it seems like Ortega's getting a lot of shine. | |
| I don't know if they say it during this. | ||
| No, they said, I think you seem tired. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, watch. | ||
| As we get to it. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| This show knows that segment. | ||
| I feel great, man. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| This fight is getting a lot of hype. | ||
| I couldn't ask for more. | ||
| I was talking to DC. People are telling DC that these numbers are going to be high, you know? | ||
| Like I said, with the Khabib fight, we was record-breaking. | ||
| Dana White was saying that UFC 205 was on that timeline to break it. | ||
| You don't see his eyes the way it looks? | ||
| That's what they're saying about this fight, so it's huge. | ||
| Well, Max, you say you feel great. | ||
| And, you know, don't be offended when I say this. | ||
| But you look like you just got out of bed. | ||
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Are you tired? | |
| What's going on? | ||
| You know, are you drained? | ||
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I mean, you look a little sleepy. | |
| I'm good, man. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| I'm a little bit tired. | ||
| They got to be doing a bunch of media stuff, but I'll be fine, man. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| I can't wait to go out there and do a damn thing. | ||
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Good to know. | |
| As I say, no offense, but you just look like, you know, you're ready to fall asleep on me. | ||
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Tired. | |
| His eyes. | ||
| He's like, how'd you even see that? | ||
| Trying to cut weight. | ||
| Yeah, but he's in the middle of cutting weight. | ||
| Like, that's unfair. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| Man, that's the hard part. | ||
| Yeah, like, these guys start trying to... | ||
| How can someone look at him based on that and say, you know, we're going to pull you from the fight? | ||
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How about stop the weight cutting? | |
| Stop all weight cutting. | ||
| If anybody wanted to do anything to make MMA better, I mean, more weight classes, less weight cutting. | ||
| You were asking about the media. | ||
| I woke up at 9. I didn't get done with media until maybe 3 o'clock. | ||
| Oh my god, that's crazy. | ||
| And then you have to train after that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I didn't have enough time to really drink water like that because it was interview after interview after interview after interview after interview. | ||
| And so it's like you're not hydrating. | ||
| There's all these little things that you have to take into consideration when you're doing the main events. | ||
| Here's this statement. | ||
| Max team and UFC staff notice Max was not normal since late last week This became obvious to many watching his interviews and public appearances the fact the past few days He was showing concussion like symptoms before he even started the weight cut and was rushed to the ER on Monday Where they admitted him overnight initial scans seemed okay, but he was released Tuesday afternoon but symptoms still continued Max fought with his team to continue the fight and | ||
| He showed some improvement over the next day, but was still showing obvious symptoms. | ||
| After open workouts, he crashed and was very hard to wake up. | ||
| When he did, he had flashing vision and slurred speech. | ||
| He's now back in the ER for further tests. | ||
| Okay, so he must have had a concussion. | ||
| Probably got it in camp. | ||
| I thought it was two different things. | ||
| This was the same day that interview was posted too. | ||
| And this is the same day, this is the Khabib fight. | ||
| So this is how he got pulled from it. | ||
| That's when he's fighting at the 55, right? | ||
| So it wasn't just that he was cutting weight. | ||
| It seems like it was way more complicated. | ||
| So that was the narrative, though, that was that they stopped his weight cutting. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That seems way worse, right? | ||
| Well, it's like, I mean, there's no getting around head trauma in MMA. It's just, it's a part of the game. | ||
| It is 100% a part of the game. | ||
| And a guy like Max Holloway, who's such a good boxer, how do you get to be a good boxer? | ||
| You do a lot of fucking sparring. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's part of it. | ||
| Look how good Sean Strickland is. | ||
| And one of the reasons why is he spars a lot. | ||
| You know Sean? | ||
| Sean, I grew up with Sean. | ||
| Did you really? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We were all from the same area. | ||
| He started training with me at my instructor's academy when he was like 12. They're gonna do him. | ||
| Who is he fighting next? | ||
| I can't remember right off hand. | ||
| I heard they were trying to do Paulo Costa. | ||
| No, it's somebody else. | ||
| Pretty sure it's somebody else. | ||
| He kept saying, but they don't want me to fight you. | ||
| They don't want me to fight you. | ||
| Alex Pereira. | ||
| That's who I am. | ||
| Is that who you're fighting? | ||
| It's Alex Pereira. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I just remember. | ||
| Am I right? | ||
| I'm right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's Alex Pereira. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That's the fucking fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| UFC finalizing a middleweight bout between Sean Strickland, Alex Pereira, and July. | ||
| That's a good fucking fight right there. | ||
| Sean's a fucking crazy guy. | ||
| Strickland has a very interesting way of finding people's faces. | ||
| He's a very good striker. | ||
| Who you think he got it from? | ||
| From Bobby Green? | ||
| Who you think he got it from? | ||
| I'm not going to take all the credit, okay? | ||
| His ground game was always a sick ground game. | ||
| But my coach... | ||
| It would make me go over there to go train with him when he was over there. | ||
| And we would go at it, and I'd beat the shit out of him, but I'm a 55er, and he's an 85er. | ||
| Well, he was 70 at one point in time, right? | ||
| He dropped down to 70s, and then he went back up to 85s, but he was originally an 85. Oh, he originally started as an 85. Yeah, and so he was at that academy, and then he left there and went to Millennia. | ||
| So when he went to Millennia, Sean's a fucking asshole, okay? | ||
| He's a fucking asshole. | ||
| You seen his sparring footage? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| He wasn't like that at first. | ||
| But he's a very aggressive person. | ||
| I told you, fighting, your personality comes out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if you do something to Sean that makes him feel, he's going to be dirty or mean. | ||
| So back when I'm King of the Cage champion, he's kind of still coming up himself. | ||
| I'm working with him. | ||
| One time we were with him. | ||
| This was for the Volkman fight. | ||
| This was the Volkman fight. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I'm working out with him. | ||
| In between rounds, I'm going, whoa! | ||
| Hyping myself up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sean takes that as disrespect. | ||
| Oh, you disrespect me in my gym, you know? | ||
| He comes at me like some crazy maniac where... | ||
| We're stepping off the mats. | ||
| He had like this cage. | ||
| It was over. | ||
| But the way the cage is built is it's a door. | ||
| It's locked up all these ways, but the door is here. | ||
| So we kind of went off the door. | ||
| He's chasing me off the door. | ||
| One time we bumped into his coach. | ||
| And I go, oh my bad. | ||
| I'm doing that. | ||
| Sean cracked his ass. | ||
| Cracked me, gave me a concussion. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| A few weeks before the Volkman fight. | ||
| We used to always get into it. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| He got tough not just from me, but other people. | ||
| So then when he left there, He came to another gym, Millennia. | ||
| And now, since he's an asshole, none of the white fighters, none of the other fighters, they don't want to fight with him. | ||
| He's going to go hard. | ||
| So only the black guys want to fight with him. | ||
| Only the black guys. | ||
| Me, Lorenz Larkin, there's another guy named Johnny Bravo. | ||
| Johnny Bravo's in the UFC. These are all my big homies. | ||
| They're all bigger than me. | ||
| We all spar together. | ||
| I'm the 55er. | ||
| They're heavyweights. | ||
| They're 205ers. | ||
| Lorenz was a 205er when I fought with him. | ||
| Y'all know if you're familiar with Lorenz Arkins. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| Then he came down to 85. Then he came down to 70. His fight with Neil Magny is one of the most interesting clinics. | ||
| I learned fights from fighting him. | ||
| Watch him strike, man. | ||
| He does a lot of really interesting shit. | ||
| He does an oblique kick to the gut. | ||
| You know that kick he does? | ||
| He leans off to the side and hits you with that heel. | ||
| He's really good at that kick. | ||
| Against Magni, he used it like multiple times. | ||
| I was like, whoa, that's hard to... | ||
| High level strike. | ||
| That's hard to fade. | ||
| Very high level. | ||
| And so I used to get my ass kicked every day by him. | ||
| Lorenz is very, very fast. | ||
| That's how I learned how to fight was that he kicked the shit out of this leg, couldn't use this one, then he kicked the shit out of this one. | ||
| I'd go home, I'd be like, coach, look. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| The way I met Lorenz and that coach is once he went to jail, I didn't have a coach anymore. | ||
| So I'm like, go back to the Mexican guys. | ||
| I'm in their gym and I'm like, I'm gonna come back and work with you guys. | ||
| And as I'm talking to them, they go, hey, he comes in, he's looking for the best wrestler around. | ||
| I go, Bobby Green's the best wrestler. | ||
| So Lorenz is this heavyweight. | ||
| I take him down, work him, you know. | ||
| So from there, his coach wants me to start coming in to their gym and start working the wrestling. | ||
| So he's a striker. | ||
| I'm trying to work the wrestling, getting down, understanding wrestling, how to work defense, blah, blah, blah. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's how I ended up meeting my striking coach. | ||
| But then from there, I'm like, hey, can I come? | ||
| Can I join the team? | ||
| Because my coach is gone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Can I join the team? | ||
| Yeah, well, we got to work it out. | ||
| And then I ended up joining and working with Lorenz Larkin. | ||
| I got my striking really good from getting beat up every day. | ||
| Then Lorenz left there. | ||
| Sean leaves there. | ||
| They're now at Melania, and I go up there from time to time and work with my guys, you know? | ||
| And Sean got good from working with those guys. | ||
| Lorenz Larkins, Bobby Green, Joe... | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, so he used to say, like, none of the other guys want to go with me. | ||
| He used to say, you guys. | ||
| I'm like, what do you mean, you guys? | ||
| And you just say it. | ||
| You're black guys. | ||
| Only guys work with me. | ||
| He's right now knocking on the top of the division. | ||
| He is. | ||
| He's up there. | ||
| That fight is a really interesting fight because Pereira will oblige him in the stand-up. | ||
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Yes! | |
| It's going to be like, how does he choose to fight this? | ||
| I would like to see. | ||
| And he's a good ground guy. | ||
| He's got great ground that he's shied away from. | ||
| I think that happens to fighters as we... | ||
| Go through this transition of being crowd-pleasers. | ||
| Like, for instance, Justin Gaethje started out wrestling, and he realized the energy it takes for one, but two, he's having so much more people and the excitement behind the stand-up aspect of it, you know? | ||
| Yeah, he became a big-time crowd-pleaser. | ||
| Crowd-pleaser. | ||
| Sean wants to be a crowd-pleaser. | ||
| Even after he won that last fight, he's like, fuck, I'm sorry. | ||
| Like, I wanted to bring more of a show to you guys. | ||
| He's a crowd player. | ||
| He's a real fighter. | ||
| Sean's real, for real. | ||
| Bring that shit. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| That's why I used to use him. | ||
| So I would take Bobby in to go train with him because Sean was one of those guys, I don't give a fuck who you are. | ||
| You know, like, I'm gonna come hard. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So everybody kind of in the area was intimidated by Bobby in a lot of ways. | ||
| He was intimidated by Sean, too. | ||
| We're gonna figure out what's going on when those two fight because Pereira is a wicked striker, but Pereira had a good fight in his last fight with... | ||
| Was it Bruno Silva? | ||
| Was that the guy he fought? | ||
| The Brazilian cat? | ||
| Who was a really good striker, man. | ||
| He caught him with some good shots. | ||
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Was that the New York card? | |
| Or did he fight after that? | ||
| When was that card? | ||
| Was that on the New York card? | ||
| Who was Alex Pereira's last opponent? | ||
| How many fights he has? | ||
| Bruno Silva. | ||
| Bruno Silva. | ||
| I just didn't want to fuck it up. | ||
| Okay, so he fought again. | ||
| He fought Bruno after he knocked out that one cat. | ||
| Yeah, I fought on that car with him, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so he knocks out that one cat with a flying knee. | ||
| Yes, I was on that car with him, yeah. | ||
| And then he fights Bruno Silva. | ||
| So that was the Bruno Silva fight was his second. | ||
| Unanimous decision. | ||
| Michaelaitis. | ||
| So that was his first two UFC fights. | ||
| So one decision. | ||
| But Bruno Silva's fucking real. | ||
| He's a really good striker. | ||
| It was a good fight. | ||
| It was like Bruno Silva tested him. | ||
| Pereira won and Pereira wobbled him a few times and had him in real big trouble. | ||
| But it's going to be real interesting with Strickland because Strickland has a high volume approach too. | ||
| He stays on you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's going to be interesting to see how he deals with... | ||
| That's an elite striker in Pereira. | ||
| Pereira is a fucking Amazon warrior. | ||
| I mean, that dude's something real. | ||
| I dealt with the same deal, so it's going to be a great question. | ||
| Is he going to be a tough guy? | ||
| And try to be a tough guy to stand, or he's going to be humble and try to win. | ||
| Do you say a Strickland or both guys? | ||
| I'm talking about Strickland. | ||
| So what do you think is his path to win? | ||
| His path to win? | ||
| The easiest path would pick him down. | ||
| He's got a great ground game. | ||
| Does he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, maybe we'll see that. | ||
| He really stands up with everybody, but Pereira's been taken down before. | ||
| Mikolaitis took him down. | ||
| But the question is, he's not going to do it. | ||
| We haven't seen that lately. | ||
| He's become more of the striking base. | ||
| Maybe he'll just test the waters, you know? | ||
| Maybe he's going to test the waters. | ||
| Pereira's got real fucking power, man. | ||
| Real power. | ||
| He's got, like, world championship power. | ||
| And he's the only guy that ever holds two titles consecutively in glory. | ||
| He was the 85 and the 205 champion. | ||
| Wow, okay, okay. | ||
| Yeah, at the same time. | ||
| So he was, like, I just know him as his whole claim to being Izzy, you know? | ||
| Yeah, well, he did knock out Izzy, but it's also he trains with Glover, and Glover's resurgence, I think, is directly connected. | ||
| It's the same timeline as Pereira training with him. | ||
| It's the same timeline. | ||
| I mean, it's not that Glover wasn't always elite. | ||
| He's always been elite. | ||
| Glover's one of the best fighters in the world, for sure. | ||
| But I think having a fucking straight-up assassin That dude's terrifying. | ||
| He's a fucking assassin. | ||
| You zig when you shoot a zag with Pereira, it's night-night. | ||
| I mean, he makes everybody go to sleep. | ||
| If you watch some of his fights in Glory, like, holy shit, man. | ||
| Speaking of Glover, fucking great guy. | ||
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Animal! | |
| What? | ||
| Oh, crap. | ||
| The best guy. | ||
| The best guy. | ||
| But how about wins the world title at 42? | ||
| That's what I'm getting to. | ||
| That's what I'm getting to. | ||
| So dope. | ||
| I was screaming on the TV when that happened. | ||
| As an underdog. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| When he got his back and he got that forearm under the neck, I'm like, no way. | ||
| You know everybody's so happy for him. | ||
| Everybody's so happy for him. | ||
| You can't be a Glover hater. | ||
| Yeah, everybody's so happy. | ||
| I went with that moment, you know, where everybody's just like, you deserve it, you know? | ||
| We've seen him, and he's been up there and kind of failed and came back up there again, you know? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, Jon Jones. | ||
| Yeah, Jon Jones worked and came back. | ||
| Jon Jones fucked his shoulder up in that fight, too. | ||
| Yes, I talk about it all the time. | ||
| That move that Jon does with that overhook, he just wrenches it up. | ||
| Nobody uses it. | ||
| And that's what the creativity. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| John is legendary. | ||
| Daddy's creativity. | ||
| Nobody thought about that move. | ||
| Nobody thought about come from here to there. | ||
| Nobody thought about these moves. | ||
| See, nobody ever accused Jon Jones of not being exciting. | ||
| Nobody ever thought that. | ||
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Bingo! | |
| Bingo! | ||
| He's freaking deadly. | ||
| How about the Liotta Machida fight where he just drops him? | ||
| Chokes him unconscious. | ||
| Walk off. | ||
| Bingo! | ||
| It's one of the most brutal walk-off strangulations of all time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he cinches up the choke, he gets a guillotine on him, cinches up the choke, and then just dumps him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, I think, if I want to say correctly, I think he did like a high guillotine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that what he did? | ||
| Was it a high one? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was it this one? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was like, whatever he did, he shut the lights out. | ||
| Let's see if we can... | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| He pins him up against the cage. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| See, he pushes up with the other hand. | ||
| That's what he did. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I remember. | ||
| They never know how to use those limbs like that. | ||
| And John just held on. | ||
| He knew he was going to sleep. | ||
| That's why I hate about rolling with those tall, long guys. | ||
| I hate rolling with tall, long guys. | ||
| The way he walked away like that, I mean, that's Jon Jones in his prime right there. | ||
| They can do things that nobody else can do, you know? | ||
| Well, Jon always has great distance management. | ||
| That's the other thing about him. | ||
| You know, he uses his strengths. | ||
| The fact that he's so tall and long, he uses that too. | ||
| I'm just talking about the jujitsu aspect. | ||
| You know when you roll with the tall guys, you roll with them, it just sucks. | ||
| Sometimes, like, I'm in north-south, and they'll be able to take their legs and Stick them in. | ||
| You took the hooks in and take your back. | ||
| You're like, you shouldn't be able to do that, you know? | ||
| You shouldn't be able to do that. | ||
| I rode with somebody down in 10th Planet, San Diego, I want to say. | ||
| And it's this long black guy. | ||
| And he's got a little afro and stuff. | ||
| Man, just his flexibility was just unreal. | ||
| And he was so long, he could just take his foot and... | ||
| He took it all the way around my back and stuck it around here. | ||
| This hook. | ||
| Went all the way around and went in there. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| This isn't fair! | ||
| Yeah, it's an advantage. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder what the advantage in grappling is. | ||
| I guess shorter limbs you could defend better. | ||
| Those guys dig underhooks and... | ||
| Yeah, shorter limbs. | ||
| Defend limb stuff, you know, maybe, but... | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But, like... | ||
| Well, some guys that were short- You were thinking it'd be the adverse? | ||
| The scariest guy that was short was Paul Harris, right? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| That guy. | ||
| Nobody wants him around. | ||
| Probably not even 5'7 and 5'7 wide. | ||
| What happened to him? | ||
| And would grab ahold of your fucking leg and not let go. | ||
| Yes, what happened to him? | ||
| That guy's fucking nuts. | ||
| Yeah, he left. | ||
| The UFC, he's the only guy that they ever kicked out for winning. | ||
| Kicked out for winning and not letting go. | ||
| Not letting go. | ||
| They were so upset at him, they kicked him off the UFC, and then he went to the PFL and did it to Jake Shields. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, I heard that. | ||
| Caught Jake Shields in a Kimura. | ||
| Poked him in the eyes and shit. | ||
| He poked him in the eyes, and he caught him in a Kimura, and he wouldn't let go. | ||
| And Jake punched him in the face after the fight was over. | ||
| It was like... | ||
| What happened to him after that? | ||
| Did he punch him in the face? | ||
| Maybe he pushed him. | ||
| Something happened, yeah. | ||
| He did something. | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| I forget what he exactly did, but, you know, he's furious because he did what he's always done. | ||
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His eyes were fucked up. | |
| That guy doesn't want to let go. | ||
| And he cheats. | ||
| In that regard. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So, um, what happened? | ||
| Why do you think he's doing that? | ||
| What's wrong with him? | ||
| This guy's crazy. | ||
| Any speculation? | ||
| I mean, when a guy doesn't want to let go of a heel hook and the referee's trying to pry your arm off and you're still wrenching the knee apart, that's nuts. | ||
| I call that a roid rage. | ||
| You got some roid rage. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| We can't have that, though. | ||
| I'm sure there's guys that have done steroids and let go of heel hooks. | ||
| I don't think the two are totally connected. | ||
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I think you gotta let go of heel hooks. | |
| When a guy fucking taps, you gotta let go. | ||
| But he's angry about something they said to him or did to him. | ||
| He doesn't want to hurt you. | ||
| He had a horrible childhood, apparently. | ||
| The people that I've talked to that knew him from Brazil said he had a... | ||
| I don't want to speak to it because it's not my business, but it was a horrific, horrific childhood. | ||
| I'm talking about the weigh-ins and stuff. | ||
| If you said something to him or you did something, he's a predator. | ||
| He's a predator. | ||
| He's really mean. | ||
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And Paul Harris has nasty He takes it personal. | |
| If you give him some type of reason, he takes it aggressively into the cage. | ||
| Oh yeah, rip your fucking leg off. | ||
| Rip your legs apart. | ||
| He was the scariest guy ever when he got a hold of your legs. | ||
| Because he was such a tank. | ||
| Even if you tapped, everybody knows. | ||
| Who was that guy? | ||
| He ended his career. | ||
| He was good. | ||
| Mike Pence. | ||
| Mike Pierce. | ||
| He tore his knee apart. | ||
| He tore a lot of knees apart, man. | ||
| But, you know, like, you saw Khalil Rountree's side kick to the knee? | ||
| That'll fuck your knee up, too. | ||
| I like that technique. | ||
| It's a great technique. | ||
| Great technique. | ||
| It's a great technique. | ||
| Look, if you're allowing heel hooks, can you allow that? | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Like, there's, like, a good question. | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| I should be able to. | ||
| It's a good question. | ||
| If you can tear my limbs apart, you know, why can't I tear yours with a strike? | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It's like, if you could tear it apart, why can't you kick it apart? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Right? | ||
| You should be able to. | ||
| It's not that easy to kick apart. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Right? | ||
| Or if you can knee somebody in the face, why can't you not down elbow them? | ||
| Right. | ||
| All those things. | ||
| You have the ability to check. | ||
| You have the ability to move your leg. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Khalil's... | |
| His is so devastating. | ||
| Devastating. | ||
| Because when he lands it, it's like what everybody always thought they would do if they ever got attacked. | ||
| Right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Right? | ||
| He's like, I'll fucking kick your knees out. | ||
| Someone actually said that to me once. | ||
| It only takes about 400 pounds or 140 pounds of force to destroy a knee. | ||
| I'm like, try it. | ||
| Are you good at kicking knees? | ||
| Are you a fucking expert? | ||
| You don't think I'm going to see you wind up to kick my knee? | ||
| You think I'm stupid? | ||
| How are you going to kick knees? | ||
| You're not kicking knees. | ||
| You know, it's like the average person, but Khalil Roundtree can kick the fuck out of your knee. | ||
| High-level striker. | ||
| High-level striker. | ||
| And interesting fight, right? | ||
| Because he fought in a different stance. | ||
| He fought low in that fight, which is very unusual because, like, when he fought Eric Anders, he came out like this, like, tie-style. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, more tie-style. | ||
| Very tie-style. | ||
| This fight, he was, like, hunkered down. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I think that guys are trying to predict certain things. | ||
| Like, maybe if you want to wrestle more, you know? | ||
| Maybe you just want to give people different looks, too. | ||
| You just use different styles to be different guys. | ||
| I'll use that for that perspective. | ||
| When I fought Clay Guida, I switched my stance to southpaw because wrestlers usually were taught to use their southpaw legs. | ||
| So if I need to wrestle, I'm ready to wrestle. | ||
| But I'm also going to be more of a squatted position to be defensive against the wrestling. | ||
| Did you just shift your whole camp that way? | ||
| Whole camp. | ||
| I ran to tell Paul the whole camp. | ||
| I knew that was going that way. | ||
| I still work my other stands, too. | ||
| I work everything just in case I need it still, to make sure it's sharp. | ||
| What are you doing for recovery? | ||
| Do you do ice baths? | ||
| Do you do saunas? | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| I hate ice baths. | ||
| But they're so dope. | ||
| They're so good for you. | ||
| It's probably the worst thing they do in my camp. | ||
| Thinking about it like, oh god. | ||
| But don't you feel good afterwards? | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| I feel so good. | ||
| But just getting through that, you know? | ||
| So I figured out little tricks that I'm trying to like, oh, I can do it this way now. | ||
| Make it a little bit easier. | ||
| You just have to get through that first minute. | ||
| Once you get through that first minute, you're good. | ||
| I like C-Vac. | ||
| Have you ever heard of it? | ||
| I have heard of that, yeah. | ||
| Have you tried it? | ||
| I have not tried it. | ||
| Explain to people what it is. | ||
| So C-Vac is this pod. | ||
| I filmed it on one of my UFC things. | ||
| You get in this pod and... | ||
| Little car, you know? | ||
| And it seems like it simulates high elevation training. | ||
| It takes you high up 30,000 feet. | ||
| It drops you back down low sea level. | ||
| Man, it does this thing to you. | ||
| And what it does is moving the blood around in your body. | ||
| It's great for inflammation. | ||
| Ian McCall was into that shit. | ||
| Yeah, he's the first guy that told me about it. | ||
| Okay, yeah. | ||
| See? | ||
| Yeah, you're getting these pods and stories and stuff about it. | ||
| I hear it helps with your body. | ||
| Blood, basically. | ||
| I've heard diabetics be on insulin and get off of insulin through this stuff. | ||
| That's what I've heard. | ||
| Don't quote me. | ||
| That's what the guy who I go through. | ||
| I just want this to be true. | ||
| I'm not even going to research it. | ||
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Guys are having a lot of blood issues. | |
| It says we are specifically interested in showing improvement in condition in those with a history of diabetic peripheral neuropathy. | ||
| Those with a history of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, COPD, those with a history of traumatic brain injury, TBI, and concussion. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| The concussion part. | ||
| So that's what he sold me on. | ||
| He said, listen, all my guys that use this, they never got knocked out. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| I was like, oh, okay, what? | ||
| He's like, yeah. | ||
| You can still get knocked out. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| But I'm just saying, like, they have that. | ||
| That's just luck. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| That's just luck. | ||
| I mean, you're fighting Gano, you get knocked out. | ||
| Yes, I'm saying, but he kind of sold me in terms of it, because I hear that it helps with brain recovery. | ||
| Well, I hope it does. | ||
| We need more things to do, for sure. | ||
| You know, I know that they've had some success with magnet therapy. | ||
| I know they've done a lot of that with vets and football players and MMA athletes. | ||
| Kat Zingano did that. | ||
| They did that down towards San Diego. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I noticed after a fight, I'm all inflamed. | ||
| I'm sure. | ||
| Well, that's why I was so fucking gangster that you fought Makachev on short notice. | ||
| Not just on short notice, but short notice right after a fight. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| C-Vac. | ||
| I'll use a lot of C-Vac to kind of like try to get some of it down. | ||
| Like, and I'm still bloated. | ||
| You know, like, fighters go through this whole, like, a cheerleader phase where you go from being in shape to fat, you know? | ||
| And it's like, I haven't had carbs. | ||
| That's what I've been with, like, model cheerleaders, you know? | ||
| I haven't had carbs. | ||
| I haven't had salts, you know? | ||
| Eating chicken breast and broccoli. | ||
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That's it. | |
| And so you look good, and now you're a fighter. | ||
| You feel self-conscious. | ||
| I've heard some fighters don't want to get pictures taken when they're out of camp. | ||
| Not patty. | ||
| That's why people like patty. | ||
| Rampage. | ||
| I heard Rampage is like, no, don't take pictures of me. | ||
| I've seen him get mad at some guy before. | ||
| You know, get pissed. | ||
| That's where I'm still more so like a cheerleader. | ||
| And then you come in the gym. | ||
| All your friends are teasing you. | ||
| You feel self-conscious. | ||
| So I'm getting ready to fight. | ||
| I'm bloated. | ||
| I'm super overweight. | ||
| I'm jumping this thing. | ||
| Try to see back out. | ||
| Try to get it down. | ||
| Get some of this stuff down. | ||
| I'm cutting weight. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I'm putting all these things together. | ||
| I gotta do blood again. | ||
| And I'm afraid of needles, I told you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I'm giving blood, right? | ||
| And it's an issue. | ||
| I got three heels. | ||
| Planes. | ||
| Blood. | ||
| Weight cut. | ||
| Those are my three heels in the fight. | ||
| I can get over those three heels and detoxing. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Because I got to get off of fucking weed. | ||
| Those are my four heels. | ||
| So first is quitting. | ||
| And then after I quit and get past the two week of being an asshole to my dad, you know, I'll be mad. | ||
| I won't even talk to him some days. | ||
| We'll just be in the gym. | ||
| I won't say nothing to him. | ||
| I'll just be working out and just angry, you know, because I'm just detoxing right now, you know? | ||
| And so that's the first hill. | ||
| Then the second hill is the planes. | ||
| And then another hill is the needles. | ||
| I'm giving blood. | ||
| I give him blood, and I always pass out. | ||
| No. | ||
| Always pass out. | ||
| I thought he was joking the first time it happened. | ||
| We're down at Kessler's, you know? | ||
| And I see him. | ||
| They go, you gotta go do blood in this room, right? | ||
| So we start walking over. | ||
| And I look back at this fool. | ||
| He's sweating. | ||
| Like, and it's cold as shit outside. | ||
| I'm like, why are you sweating? | ||
| And he's like, bro, are you gonna put a needle in me? | ||
| And next thing you know, I come in the room, he's on a breathing apparatus and passed out. | ||
| Ah, passed out. | ||
| Dude, we're at like three hours and 40 minutes now. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| That's how long I've been talking. | ||
| Holy shit, I can go all day with this shit. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Unfortunately, I gotta get out of here. | ||
| Yeah, I don't want to stop you. | ||
| Whatever you want to wrap it up, you can wrap it up. | ||
| We have to wrap it up, but it was a lot of fun. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| And I appreciate that there's guys like you out there that are willing to take those big chances and jump in there with a guy like Makachev on... | ||
| Short notice. | ||
| I always loved you. | ||
| You're always a fun guy and a fun fighter to watch, but that shows remarkable courage. | ||
| Those are my things. | ||
| I always push inspiration. | ||
| I always push jumping on the opportunity. | ||
| I always tell my guys this, like, you never know when an opportunity's gonna come. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| I mean, it's definitely a risk. | ||
| But I applaud people like yourself that do take those risks. | ||
| Sometimes you're going to fail. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sometimes you're going to win. | ||
| Like Jon Jones, when the Shogun fight, remember? | ||
| That was supposed to be Rashad, but Rashad got injured and Jon stepped in. | ||
| I don't think that was a lot of time preparation either, was it? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But he's training with a shot every day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so when you asked me about those same things, like, when I asked, but this was more important to me, like, I knew all that stuff, and I could lose, and I could jeopardize all the stuff I got winning, and all, I had all this hurrah behind me, and then now I'm gonna take that opportunity, but I was willing to do it for my family. | ||
| They're gonna take care of me and make sure that I make some money for my family. | ||
| I'm willing to take that risk. | ||
| Well, you're a fun guy to watch, man. | ||
| People love watching you fight. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| Yeah, I try, brother. | ||
| You do. | ||
| I mean, that's what you're saying, that you work for showmanship. | ||
| You clearly do. | ||
| Yes, I hope you enjoy the shows. | ||
| And I'm trying to find a fight that's going to be a showman. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I want to fight somebody that's going to come out there and bring at least the numbers. | ||
| Yeah, well, I hope they give you something good next. | ||
| Did they give you any indication of when they would want you to fight again? | ||
| I was trying to fight May. | ||
| Like, I'm a guy to want to sit around. | ||
| I want to fight ASAP, you know, as soon as possible. | ||
| Keep them going. | ||
| I got places to be and things to do. | ||
| And I got goals. | ||
| And hit the goals, and then from there, I'm good. | ||
| Keep moving. | ||
| Yeah, so like, for instance, right now, I got two homes that I own. | ||
| And I'm trying to pay them both off. | ||
| So that's my goals. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm going to hit those goals no matter what. | ||
| Do they typically let you know, like, how far in advance do they typically let you know that they would like you to get ready to fight? | ||
| Typically? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, how does it go? | ||
| Do they say, will you be available in July? | ||
| What do they do? | ||
| Do they propose you a specific fight? | ||
| I got 45 fights. | ||
| 20 of them were shirt noticed. | ||
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Wow. | |
| At least. | ||
| At least 20. At least 20 of them. | ||
| At least. | ||
| That's crazy, Bobby. | ||
| So people talking about record, they don't understand. | ||
| At least 20 of them are short notice. | ||
| I think half your fights in the UFC were short notice. | ||
| Short notice. | ||
| I take everything I can give me. | ||
| Sean knows me. | ||
| Sean's the matchmaker. | ||
| He knows me from Strikeforce. | ||
| Strikeforce, it would be like this. | ||
| You two are going to fight each other, right? | ||
| You guys are gonna fight each other. | ||
| You get hurt, Joe. | ||
| Have you ever considered not doing it this way? | ||
| Have you ever considered, like, that... | ||
| I mean, I know that you are that risk taker, and I think there is a lot of balls involved in being that person, but is it always the best move? | ||
| Have you thought about it? | ||
| Have you ever thought, like, maybe I should just only prepare for fights and take... | ||
| I believe in failing forward. | ||
| Failing forward. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go forward. | ||
| Make the mistake. | ||
| Make the mistake. | ||
| Get better along the way. | ||
| We're still going and I'm keeping this momentum going forward. | ||
| We learn from it. | ||
| We keep going forward. | ||
| But we took the risk. | ||
| We learned from the risk. | ||
| And you got another day. | ||
| You know who's a great example of someone who had been counted out but came back and became champion is Oliveira. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Oliveira had some tough fights where guys tapped him, guys knocked him out, and there was quite a few fights. | ||
| It's growth. | ||
| A lot of people kind of written him off at one point in time, but then slowly but surely you start putting together these wins and then beating top top guys and then looking like a fucking straight-up killer. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And to where he is now, it's like... | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| Fuck man, that's a good fight. | ||
| It's a good fight. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| Keiichi's a terrifying human being. | ||
| What do you got? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I know, I know you don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, but that's one I don't know. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I'm taking Gaethje on that. | ||
| Gaethje's a dangerous man. | ||
| That's my boy. | ||
| I'm going to go with my dog. | ||
| You know, he shot me a pair of gloves and they take care of me with the little, what's their, Onyx clothing stuff? | ||
| Yes, they make great fucking gear. | ||
| Trevor Whitman is a wizard when it comes to making gloves. | ||
| He's got the best MMA glove. | ||
| Have you ever used his MMA glove? | ||
| Bro, it's so well designed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That Onyx brand, like, all of its foam is like super high-density foam, protects your hands better. | ||
| They're the best gloves I've ever used. | ||
| I've seen the gloves. | ||
| I haven't seen the MMA gloves. | ||
| Yeah, his MMA gloves are the best. | ||
| They're the best design. | ||
| I wish the UFC would adopt them. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| They're so much better. | ||
| They're so much better than the regular ones. | ||
| Because they maintain a curved hand, right? | ||
| And the problem, many people say, you can speak to this, does it feel like it keeps your hand open a little bit, the UFC gloves? | ||
| Like, it's hard to pull it back a little? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| That's the main complaint. | ||
| When I get my gloves, first thing I tell my guy, hey, get those gloves and start rolling them. | ||
| Start rolling them. | ||
| Take them and roll them. | ||
| Break them and break them. | ||
| He's fixed that. | ||
| And his has a curve to it. | ||
| It is a natural curve. | ||
| So when you put it in, your hands are naturally curved. | ||
| So I wonder... | ||
| If, like, over time, using a glove of that design would show an improvement in eye pokes. | ||
| Because there's so many fucking eye pokes, man. | ||
| It's horrific when guys are doing that. | ||
| And what if your hand naturally did this? | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| And it was hard to do this. | ||
| Maybe we could discourage people easier, and then maybe we could actually, like, avoid a bunch of eye pokes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I got this little scar right here from my last one with Nazareth from him getting his finger in my eye. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy that you fought that fight and then right after that fought Makachev. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| We did that with... | ||
| I fought Krause. | ||
| James Krause? | ||
| And then it was like a couple of weeks later, we fought Pat Healy. | ||
| And then shortly after that, it was Josh Thompson, like 30 days or something after that. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| I'm an active guy, you know. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Because if you don't, it's like why the iron's hot. | ||
| People forget about you. | ||
| This culture, you're gone tomorrow. | ||
| Who's still here, Joe? | ||
| Nate said it. | ||
| What happened to Gray Maynard? | ||
| All those guys are gone. | ||
| I'm still here. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Especially with 45 fights. | ||
| My clock should be ticking. | ||
| Should be. | ||
| I'm an old man. | ||
| I'm a grandpa in this game. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| It's a crazy game, man. | ||
| And the thing about it is, it is literally the evolution of martial arts in front of our eyes. | ||
| We're looking at it now and it's become normal to us because it's exciting and it's something we watch. | ||
| We watch the UFC, we watch these other organizations, it's great to watch MMA. But historically... | ||
| We're going through an unprecedented time of analysis and effectiveness in martial arts. | ||
| There's never been anything like it. | ||
| The jiu-jitsu's never been better than it is now. | ||
| The striking's never been better. | ||
| The full MMA game... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Full MMA game's never been better than it is now. | ||
| Even the timing, the attacks, like when I fought Al Quinta, I knew that he was going to be missing that. | ||
| You haven't been in the field for now, buddy. | ||
| It's different now. | ||
| These young guys, they got me fighting all the young and up-and-comers. | ||
| These guys are fantastic. | ||
| They're hitting hard. | ||
| People are just getting better. | ||
| They know the realistic arts to train in at such a young age. | ||
| Yep, that too. | ||
| So when you watch a guy like Hamzat emerge from the scene, when you watch a guy like Gilbert Burns, you realize these guys are so much better. | ||
| They're on such a high level. | ||
| It's a new level. | ||
| If you look at the top guys of today, it's a new level of excellence. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| They're elite athletes now. | ||
| From 1993 to now is nothing. | ||
| That's what's crazy. | ||
| How fast it grew. | ||
| It's crazy because it's not that long. | ||
| It's fucking 30 years. | ||
| When do you think we'll get to the point where we'll be like other sports? | ||
| Well, I think it's always going to be too dangerous for most people, too scary for most people, because it's so raw. | ||
| You know, you see blood all the time, and they keep the fights going, and blood's leaking out of a giant cut in someone's forehead, and the other guy's trying to open that cut up. | ||
| It's so primal that I think there's going to be a certain amount of people that are always going to avoid it. | ||
| They don't have the stomach for it. | ||
| It's not something they're interested in. | ||
| There's going to be a lot of people like us. | ||
| There's going to be a lot of people like us that like it a lot. | ||
| And I think women like it too, man. | ||
| I know a lot of women that are in the manly bands of the UFC now. | ||
| Yeah, I'm saying more so like my aunts, she can't watch this too much. | ||
| The odor crowd. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| There's peaceful people that don't have nothing to do with it. | ||
| So I don't think it's ever going to achieve the level of the number one sport in the world, but as far as relatability, it certainly is. | ||
| As far as excitement, it certainly is. | ||
| There's nothing like a crazy prize fight. | ||
| We're killing boxing. | ||
| We're killing these other organizations on how they're packaging it, you know? | ||
| That's true, too. | ||
| The UFC has an amazing team behind them, and Dana White is the best president any sports organization has ever had. | ||
| So then you have all that, and then all the people that work in the UFC are cool as fuck. | ||
| It's like, you got John Anik, who I think is the best play-by-play guy of all time. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| He's the best at it. | ||
| The guy's fucking flawless. | ||
| He's a wizard. | ||
| He's so good at that shit. | ||
| And then you got, you know, DC and Felder and Dominic Cruz. | ||
| They're all your kids. | ||
| They're all your kids, Joe. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You started them. | ||
| You birthed them. | ||
| They had to take a little pointing from you. | ||
| Well, I learned a little bit from Jeff Blatnick and, you know, watching people do it before me. | ||
| Fucking Bill Superfoot Wallace did it. | ||
| Jeff Osborne. | ||
| Jeff Osborne was real good at it. | ||
| Who was your person you looked at or gave you what you're doing or put you in the position like, I'm gonna look at it and do it like this, you know? | ||
| Nobody. | ||
| You didn't steal anything from anybody? | ||
| No, that's why I got super lucky. | ||
| I came along when no one was doing it. | ||
| You know, there'd only been like a couple guys before me. | ||
| So when I first started doing commentary, I do post-fight interviews in 97. I'm talking about your style. | ||
| So my first exposure to the fighting at all is post-fight interviews in 97. So I do that. | ||
| So that's only a couple of years after the UFC started. | ||
| It was four years after the UFC started. | ||
| It was still relegated. | ||
| You could only get it on direct TV. It was banned from cable. | ||
| We were playing in these weird places. | ||
| So I did that for a little while. | ||
| And then when I came back to do commentary, I only did it for fun. | ||
| I didn't think it was a job. | ||
| I really just did it because Dana asked me to do it, and I said, I'll do it for fun. | ||
| And I didn't even get paid for the first 15 shows. | ||
| I said, I don't even want any money. | ||
| I go, just get me tickets, fly my friends out. | ||
| Do you remember a kid named Jamie Walsh? | ||
| Sure, it's a good buddy of mine. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What's he up to now? | ||
| He's back in California. | ||
| I've got to reach out to him. | ||
| But I know Jamie from John Jock Machado's, and I know Jamie from—he used to teach me kettlebells, and he was a strength and conditioning coach. | ||
| He trained Eddie Bravo when he prepared for Abu Dhabi in Brazil. | ||
| And so when he had tapped Hoyler Gracie, Jamie Walsh was with him, and me, the three of us. | ||
| He's a great guy. | ||
| Yeah, so I met him when I was a blue belt and started training with him on the side pretty much. | ||
| And then it was right around that Jeremy Williams time. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Oh, the suicide. | ||
| Yeah, we shot a DVD for them down there, and I got to meet, you know, at that time was Eddie and a handful of other guys, you know, and Jamie would take me to the UFC, so you'd leave tickets for him. | ||
| He called me up. | ||
| Joe, let me some tickets. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
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That's cool. | |
| Yeah, I hook a lot of friends up. | ||
| One of the dopest things about the job. | ||
| All right, I got to wrap this up. | ||
| This is very late. | ||
| I just looked up at the clock. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thanks for the story. | ||
| And congratulations on getting out and your experience. | ||
| And you should definitely write a book or something about it. | ||
| Maybe we can. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's a wild fucking story. | ||
| Bobby, thanks for being here. | ||
| It was a lot of fun. | ||
| I enjoyed it. | ||
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Thank you, sir. | |
| And best of luck to you, sir. | ||
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It's an honor to be here. | |
| This was on my bucket list, dude. | ||
| I feel like that's amazing. | ||
| Scratched that motherfucker off. | ||
| I feel like maybe I can retire now. | ||
| I did everything. | ||
| I got everything on my bucket list. | ||
| I think you have more great things to come, sir. | ||
| We're done. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Bye, everybody. |
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