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May 9, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Experience #105 - Bryan Callen (Part 2)
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joe rogan
Stupid little fucking tube of paper that sucks in dangerous chemicals.
And you're telling me that I should be worried about the end of the world?
Your end of the world is happening right now.
I'm watching it.
You're inhaling.
You're addicted to a fucking little stick.
bryan callen
So true.
joe rogan
Yeah, your end of the world is already here, stupid.
The world is not necessarily predetermined.
Who knows how this is all going to turn out?
That's part of the fun of the movie.
That's part of the fun of the theatrical production that is your life.
bryan callen
It's true.
joe rogan
If we knew everything that was going to take place, it would be so boring.
unidentified
You'd be bored.
joe rogan
If you knew that you were now in heaven, and you get to bang some chick anytime you want for the rest of your life, and you get to eat all the food you wanted for the rest of your life, you think that it would be awesome.
But it's not.
Not without risk.
Not without failure.
You need all those things.
unidentified
As a human being...
bryan callen
You need to reach.
joe rogan
Struggle.
You need struggle.
It's part of, we are some sort of a monkey that creates things.
And if we don't create things, whether you create ideas, whether you create relationships, whether you create houses, whether you create jokes, whatever the fuck you put forth, that's what makes human beings happy.
If you're just living in the clouds, banging chicks and eating food, you would fucking live in hell.
You don't think you would, but eventually you would be in hell.
You would be in some weird situation where a giant part of what it is to be a human...
Is removed from the equation.
bryan callen
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it just goes back to what we talked about with welfare.
You've got to work to get something.
You can't just get it.
There has to be a struggle or you don't evolve.
And as soon as you introduce the option of no struggle, you introduce the option of...
You know, and people think that the struggle is over financially.
It's one of the reasons why when people are successful, a lot of people go, oh man, he sold out.
Oh man, you know, he's not hip anymore.
The struggle is never financial.
The best part about overcoming the financial struggle is now the struggle gets to be about thoughts and ideas.
Now the struggle gets to be about creating shit.
Now the struggle gets to be about getting to the center of what the fuck this is.
Getting to the center of what is this life.
And you can, guess what, you can think about what is this life a whole lot more when you're a comedian that gets to wake up at 1 in the afternoon and doesn't necessarily have to do anything all day.
And you can sit in front of your computer drinking coconut juice and smoking pot and reading online.
You can think things through in a manner that the average person does never get a chance to do You never have that opportunity.
bryan callen
And that's what you get paid for, too.
That's what kind of stand-up is, putting it into a funny light, but kind of like surprising people with where you're taking your idea.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's putting forth something.
And it's got to be hard, man.
I write shit sometimes, and I'll fucking go over and go, man, this bit sucks.
There's something missing in this bit.
I know it's there, but I don't know it's there.
And then there's this thing that I've just figured out how to do over the last couple years where I used to have a theme.
I would say, okay, today I'm going to write about Viagra.
We're going to sit down and we're going to write some shit about Viagra.
And then I would start about that and maybe it would go in a different direction, but not too far off path.
Now I just sit down and I open up a page and I just let it go.
I just get high as fuck and I let it all go, whatever crazy thought I have.
And then in the morning I get up sober and then I look at what I wrote and I go, what the fuck am I talking about?
I write shit sometimes when I'm high And I go back and read it, and I'm like, this doesn't even seem like it's me writing this.
Like, who the fuck wrote this?
bryan callen
Does it make sense?
joe rogan
Sometimes, yeah.
Sometimes, yeah.
Sometimes it doesn't, though.
But that's part of the whole zone that you get into when you're creating something.
You can't be afraid of looking silly.
bryan callen
I knew you for so many years where you never even smoked a joint.
joe rogan
No, you didn't do anything.
bryan callen
What was your turn?
Did Stan Hope get you smoked?
joe rogan
No, no, Eddie Bravo.
Eddie Bravo for sure, 100%.
He was really good at jiu-jitsu and we were hanging out together just because we took classes together and he gave me some private lessons and tied me up in a knot.
I was training with this other guy.
I was taking private lessons with this black belt.
He was a very nice guy.
He had good intentions but I could roll with him but I knew his game.
And you get to a certain point where you could roll with a guy like, you know, I could tap him out.
Very rare, but occasionally I could get him with something.
And part of it was him rolling nice with me and rolling easy with me and letting me get things.
But also, I knew his game.
Well, when you start rolling with someone else, you realize, oh, you've got to roll with a bunch of different people.
You can't just roll with one person because Eddie Bravo just went right through me.
He just destroyed me.
Part of it was because he was way better than me.
And really an amazing jiu-jitsu guy.
He's a genius.
A jiu-jitsu genius.
A true genius.
In every sense of the word.
But it was also because I sucked.
I thought I was good because I knew how to wrestle with one guy.
I knew his weaknesses.
I was physically a little faster than him and I can do things.
But then I started rolling with other people and I was getting tapped all the time.
I was like, oh, okay.
I've got to join class.
Eddie said, you know, I'd be happy to give you some private lessons.
I said, oh, awesome.
So we went out, we got some lunch, get some private lessons, and we started talking about creativity and life and music and stuff because he's a musician.
And he said that he writes his best stuff when he's stoned.
And I was like, that doesn't even make sense.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
You're high?
When you're high, I was like, oh, you dope.
You loser.
The moments in my life where I'd been drunk, I was embarrassed about those moments.
I never looked back at the time I was drunk like I can now.
Now, we're like, we're fucking hammered and we're talking shit at the bar.
It's fun.
To me, I'm in control of my shit now.
So if me and Brian and Joey Diaz do shots in the green room in the Portland Helium, we're I don't feel bad about that.
I feel like we had a good time.
It was crazy, the next day I had a headache.
You know what I mean?
But back then I was embarrassed about anything that I did that wasn't positive.
And anything that I did that might make me a loser.
Anything that I did that might keep me...
Make you vulnerable too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he was so adamant about how weed made him, like, really creative.
And I was like, all right, let's do this.
Come on, pull over.
So we smoked pot, and then we had some ice cream.
And it was amazing.
It was the greatest ice cream I've ever had in my life.
And I couldn't believe that marijuana made this ice cream so fucking good.
I had an ice cream sundae with hot fudge, and it was the most incredible.
The sensation of eating the food was so heightened, I felt like a fool.
I felt like I can't believe that all my life...
Yes, that was it.
I was talking to him, and he's this fascinating guy.
Eddie is a very fascinating guy.
He's a free thinker.
He had a really hard childhood, man.
My childhood was not terrible.
It wasn't ideal.
I had a lot of shit happen to me.
I think a lot of us did.
All of us here did.
But his was horrific.
And because of that, he developed this ability to just fuck you, push people away, focus on his goals, and see things in a different way.
He's got this ability to look at life and break things down.
And a lot of times when we have conversations, he comes at it from a completely different angle than I do.
And I like that about you, too.
You will often do that, too.
And Duncan will do that all the time.
I love when people, like when I have a friend that's a close friend that's very smart, That will take things in a different way.
And I don't necessarily always agree with them, but it's a fascinating thing.
It's almost like if you value their opinion and if you talk to them about things, it's like you have one more you out there interpreting the world from another possible angle.
That's so important.
Yeah, and so I met him and right away I knew.
I'm like, this guy's smart as fuck.
He's a weirdo.
He's figured out some shit about jiu-jitsu.
And if you can get that good at jiu-jitsu, I'm like, you can get that good at a lot of things.
That's amazing.
You're a bad motherfucker.
And he's a little guy.
Getty's not strong at all.
bryan callen
Right.
joe rogan
So he got really good at jujitsu all based on technique and leverage and he does everything the right way.
So you learn from a guy like that.
So I met him and I was like, okay, so obviously there's something good to this weed.
You can't think that it's all bad.
bryan callen
Who do you think is the best jujitsu?
joe rogan
I couldn't believe it my whole life.
I thought it was for losers.
brian redban
I could just imagine you sitting there the first couple times.
He's like, I can feel it in my hands, Eddie.
joe rogan
Oh yeah, it was totally like complete rookie shit.
I remember Joey Diaz.
I said something to Joey Diaz once.
He goes...
Look at this fucking rookie.
Get the fuck out of here.
I forget what I said to him, but it was some crazy rookie pod experience.
To me, I was calling him like it was the most profound thing that I ever heard.
He goes, get the fuck out of here with that rookie shit.
What are you talking about?
We're getting high, motherfucker.
That's what's going on.
Joey Diaz will break things down.
bryan callen
That is an uncanny, uncanny...
joe rogan
We're getting high, cocksucker.
bryan callen
That's just unbelievable.
joe rogan
If you ain't high by two in the afternoon, go fuck yourself.
There's actually a t-shirt that we put out on hire-primate.com.
Sold out instantly.
We got new ones coming out, folks.
I swear to God.
I got a lot more this time.
I'm buying as many as you can.
And proceeds do go to the Joey Diaz Weed Fund.
So all the t-shirt money is...
Right now, he's got a fat check coming to him.
He'll keep him in weed for weeks.
So that t-shirt should pay for all of Joey's weed for the rest of his life.
That's my goal.
If we keep...
You know, if he makes enough money off this t-shirt every month just to cover all of his weed expenses plus...
A few nice dinners here and there.
I think it's a fucking winner of a shirt, man.
I can't wait to wear it.
I don't even have one.
We don't even have one.
It's based on something he said once in the podcast.
And by the way, he says all the time.
It wasn't just that moment.
He says it all the time now.
He says it all the time.
He'll call me up sometimes and I'll answer the phone and just go, if you ain't high by two in the afternoon, go fuck yourself, dog.
I ain't playing, dog.
I ain't playing right now.
I got the banana bread from the Russians.
brian redban
Fuck that banana bread.
joe rogan
That banana bread is the bomb diggity, son.
Yeah, where is this banana bread?
It's too psychedelic, right?
brian redban
That fucking gave me a heart attack.
bryan callen
I'm a little blown away by your Joey Diaz impersonation.
joe rogan
Listen, cocksucker.
I can only do a couple impressions, but I can do them.
It's not that good.
If he was in the room, I could really do them.
I can imitate people.
bryan callen
It's as good as he gets, dude.
I know Joey.
joe rogan
No, it's okay.
brian redban
Were you on MADtv when Matt Brunger was on?
bryan callen
No.
brian redban
Oh, okay, Mike.
There's a guy we had on the show.
Have you ever seen Ikea Heights?
joe rogan
No.
What is that?
brian redban
It's these guys.
This guy, Matt Brunger, who was also on MADtv.
We had him on Tom Segura and Christina's show.
But he was talking about how he was on this thing that you can find on the internet.
It's fucking hilarious.
Where this comedy troupe goes into an Ikea.
They do like a CSI type show.
In the middle of Ikea.
Without Ikea knowing.
They have employees that are part of the production that will take the employees of Ikea and get them distracted.
And then they'll have full on guns and cops shootouts in the middle of a bedroom in Ikea.
So they used Ikea as a stage for CSI. It's fucking hilarious.
It's one of the funniest things.
They had to stop doing it because they were getting kicked out.
Every episode ends with them getting kicked out.
bryan callen
This is really cool.
That's really funny.
So these guys are actually doing a TV show and the set is Ikea?
brian redban
Yeah, and the set is Ikea.
joe rogan
That's really funny.
bryan callen
And it's all improv using the set.
brian redban
It's IkeaHeights.com.
bryan callen
Dude, they're in a kitchen now and then they're in the basement.
That's one of those ideas where you go, why the fuck?
What the fuck didn't I think of that?
brian redban
I know.
And I guess supposedly they can't do it anymore because they just got in too much trouble.
joe rogan
Oh, please keep doing it.
Change it to Walmart Heights.
brian redban
The last one they did...
bryan callen
No kidding, man.
joe rogan
It's called Ikea Heights?
brian redban
Yeah, Ikea Heights.
The last one they did, they had a zombie attack or something like that.
So they just had tons of zombies...
But I was thinking, instead of doing it again and getting in trouble at IKEA, act like they move.
You know how in TV shows they move to different cities?
unidentified
Kmart Boulevard or something like that.
bryan callen
Start doing it in Denny's.
Just Denny's.
joe rogan
Why not?
brian redban
And that'd be the whole show.
joe rogan
I bet they probably will.
We probably don't even need to give them that idea.
If they thought of that idea, they couldn't have said, this is it.
I guess it's over.
They're kicking us out.
No, they're going to go somewhere else.
bryan callen
I can go to IKEAheights.com or something.
brian redban
IkeaHeights.com and the podcast we had Matt on was your mom's house number 14 at Def Squad on iTunes.
bryan callen
Fucking hilarious, dude.
joe rogan
That's a great idea.
Every now and then, you know, one of those ideas comes along and you're like, wow.
That's one of those.
That's stellar.
brian redban
It is.
joe rogan
That's what I love about, you know, I love being in, like, the comedy community is such an interesting community.
You know, I mean, it feels weird to even say that you're a part of it.
We all have this weird sort of, I don't know, Don't you have a weird sort of humility about the business?
It's a weird thing to even say, like, yeah, you know, I'm a pro.
I'm a professional comedian.
That's what I do.
bryan callen
I won't enter that discussion.
joe rogan
It seems odd and weird.
bryan callen
Somebody said to me, you know, you're professionally funny.
I know.
Jimmy Burke said, you are professional.
He saw the show.
He goes, you are professional.
I was like, oh boy, that's a...
joe rogan
It's a lot.
So it's a weird thing.
It goes contrary to the idea of being, or what makes you funny in the first place.
Yeah.
But being a part of the community, like having people like you as a friend and having people like, you know, Nick Swartzen come over and Carolla come over and all these people that I'm like, wow, Nick Swartzen's hanging out here.
bryan callen
It's a privilege.
joe rogan
Yeah, and Adam Carolla's really sitting there and you're really sitting there.
It's the fucking greatest thing ever.
The greatest community to be a part of, people who make you laugh.
bryan callen
It's true.
It's like part of this fraternity or something.
I always feel like, you know, boy, when you've done the road and when you've been on stage and, you know, faced audiences who are so different, you don't know how they're going to respond.
You've gone through something.
joe rogan
We were at the backstage of the UFC and it was a big UFC event and the fucking place was packed.
But Jim Norton and Bobby Kelly showed up.
And I saw Jim Norton and Bobby Kelly and I shot towards them like a slingshot.
Like I made a beeline to them.
Because I knew that's where the fun talk was going to be.
You know?
Jimmy fucking Norton is there and Bobby Kelly.
bryan callen
Bobby Kelly is hilarious.
joe rogan
I've known Bobby Kelly since we were like 21. I love Bobby.
bryan callen
Bobby kills me.
joe rogan
Bobby was with Al and the Monkees and Dane Cook.
They were an improv troupe, and I was the headliner, and they would open for me.
We did a bunch of those Aku Aku's, the Dick Daugherty comedy huts.
So we worked together a bunch of times when those guys were just coming up.
I was like a couple of years ahead of them.
Oh, wow.
A little older?
Yeah, I hung out with Bobby Kelly back in the day.
So I've known him since.
bryan callen
So you haven't known Bob and Dane for a long time.
joe rogan
Sure.
I've known Dane forever.
I knew Dane before he ever did stand-up, like, on his own.
He did it in a troupe.
He did it in Al and the Monkees.
What they would do is they would do sketches, and, you know, they were taking chances.
It was creative stuff.
And then they would each do stand-up.
They would each do, like, five minutes of stand-up.
And then I would go on stage after them.
And it was like, it was kind of like, I wouldn't say, like, they were opening, but it was so much different than an opening act.
They had a lot of shit going on.
Like, they did, it was interesting.
bryan callen
Funny guys, man.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I've known Bobby since, like I said, I was like 24, and he was probably a couple years younger than me, like maybe 21. That's so funny, man.
unidentified
It's crazy.
joe rogan
So I see them, and man, what you're saying, these are like soldiers.
They're like fellow travelers in this weird world of show business.
bryan callen
I have a lot of pride in it.
joe rogan
I do too.
bryan callen
I did a New Year's Eve show and I was in Ontario at the Improv.
And it was just packed.
And we were about to count off from New Year's Eve.
And I remember just stopping and I had the mic in my hand.
And I went, I really meant this to her.
I said, you know, I feel like a successful person.
Like, I can't believe I get to do this for a living.
And I said, if I die tomorrow, I can't complain.
Comparatively to how most people have to live their lives, their treasury.
And I get paid to make people laugh for two hours a night.
And I get to do whatever I want, when I want.
joe rogan
But like the lottery, it's not easy.
Never easy because you've got to keep reinventing yourself.
There's a lot of weird shit that goes on in the creating of material and going up there and fucking around with it.
bryan callen
Dude, and it never gets easy in a way.
It really doesn't.
joe rogan
But that's why it's so satisfying when it comes out.
It's just like we were talking about with welfare and the lottery and all that shit.
You have to have...
The only thing that's different to me is relationships.
Relationships, I want no work.
bryan callen
Yeah, I agree.
joe rogan
I want friendliness and love.
bryan callen
That's a good point.
joe rogan
I don't want any work.
bryan callen
That's a good point.
joe rogan
I don't have to work for that.
I don't want to fight all the time.
There's people that think that you have to fight, and I think that's a crock of shit.
You just got to find someone.
Be a nice person and find someone that doesn't want to fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
bryan callen
Comedy is one of those things.
I just did a benefit with Gary Shandling and Kevin Nealon and Brad Garrett, who killed me, and Ray Romano.
joe rogan
Where'd you guys do this?
bryan callen
At the Wilshire Theaters for Children with AIDS. It was his last weekend.
We all went up and did it.
I did a half hour, but the rest of the guys did like 20 minutes.
We just had so much fun.
It was so fun.
Everybody was hilarious.
Brad Garrett fucking killed me.
joe rogan
I opened up for him in Long Island.
Dude, he's so funny.
bryan callen
Eastside Comedy Club in 1991. He was killing Doris Roberts and she was in the audience.
She was like, how old are you?
She was 91 when she did this show.
How are you drinking?
Are you drunk, sweetie?
He was killing everybody.
This black woman was in the thing and she was really old.
He goes, look at her from the Civil War.
It must be so different now for you, isn't it?
I mean, killing them.
He was amazing.
He's just so irreverent, but he was fucking killing the room.
And then we were all backstage, and I'm with Gary Shanling, and all these guys are in some ways big.
They've done a lot of stuff in comedy for 20, 30 years.
And they were all talking about how they just all have so much reverence for comedy, and it's still not easy no matter what, and it's still a challenge, and you're still...
joe rogan
You better respect that bitch.
bryan callen
You better respect that.
joe rogan
You better respect that bitch because if you don't, you'll be up on stage realizing you didn't respect it and eating it.
And there's a bunch of people paid to see you.
bryan callen
It's so true.
joe rogan
That motivates the fuck out of me.
bryan callen
It never gets old.
You're going to be on stage for an hour, my friend.
Bring the money.
You said that one time.
I did...
I remember a long time ago.
This was fucking 13 years ago.
I did Friday nights or something that you were emceeing.
And I got up and I did this weird story.
And you were like really complimentary.
You said, you know, you do the most unusual shit.
He goes...
But you can never do that shit on the road in some cities.
They'd be like, you've got to bring the money.
If you're going to do an hour, you've got to bring the money.
Guess what?
You've got to be fucking funny for an hour because people lose their attention span.
That room gets quiet quick, even if you're famous.
Michael Richards, I don't care who you are.
joe rogan
More so, because people get angry.
bryan callen
They're on your side for five minutes.
You've got five, maybe seven, maybe if you're Brad Pitt.
And then, and it just fucking tumbleweeds.
joe rogan
It turns the other way.
bryan callen
You hear a dog bark in the distance and they fucking hate you.
joe rogan
Yeah, it turns the other way.
bryan callen
Charlie Sheen, do it offstage.
What a surprise.
Monetizing his madness, as one of my friends says.
joe rogan
That is a good way of putting it.
bryan callen
Jeremy Piven said that.
He goes, monetizing...
joe rogan
Jeremy Piven's a smart guy.
bryan callen
Yep.
joe rogan
That is what it is, sort of.
I mean, it's also, you know, he's trying to figure out some way to get the public on his side because he's got some giant lawsuit coming up.
bryan callen
He's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
You think?
bryan callen
I mean, winning.
joe rogan
Winning.
bryan callen
Winning.
joe rogan
It's called winning.
bryan callen
He's...
joe rogan
With the goddesses.
bryan callen
That's a guy.
unidentified
Poor fuck.
bryan callen
That's a guy.
joe rogan
Cocaine.
bryan callen
And who just hasn't been living in the real world.
joe rogan
Cocaine confidence.
bryan callen
That's 25 years of fame, by the way, in Hollywood.
You're an alien.
joe rogan
Seven gram rocks.
Winning.
unidentified
And Warner Brothers still has his big poster on their studios.
joe rogan
Yeah, Brian thinks it's all a scam to make Two and a Half Men the biggest show ever next season when he comes back in his triumphant return.
He thinks it's all orchestrated.
unidentified
The Warner Brothers still has a huge banner of their show.
bryan callen
Choking porn stars.
joe rogan
Almost threatening to stab his wife.
Winning.
bryan callen
Has he got a lawsuit coming or something?
joe rogan
Yeah, he does.
Apparently, according to Hollywood Insiders.
bryan callen
Oh, you mean from CBS? Yes.
joe rogan
Apparently, according to Hollywood Insiders, he actually has a very good point.
Because the guy didn't show up for work late.
It wasn't like he was missing shoots and costing them money.
He was always fucked up.
They knew he was fucked up from a long time ago.
They hired him under the premise that he was his party animal.
And guess what?
That's what he fucking plays on the show.
He plays a watered-down version of the real-life Charlie Sheen.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
joe rogan
This sounds like a big dick contest.
That's what it sounds like.
It sounds like him and that guy who's the executive producer, they're waving the dicks around.
Chuck Lorre?
Yeah, the executive producer doesn't want this junkie back on his set, and he wants to move on, but he's going to ruin a lot of fucking people's jobs.
bryan callen
Actually, what they say was that he could strangle a girl and everything else, and then he made fun of Chuck Lorre on that radio show, and that's when he got fired.
joe rogan
Well, that Chuck Lorre guy, we talked about on the show before, about all the shows that he's produced.
He produced Grace Under Fire.
He produced Roseanne.
He produced Sybil.
He had to deal with cunt after cunt after cunt, and he developed the ability to put his fucking foot down.
bryan callen
Yeah, he did.
joe rogan
And that's why he's so successful.
bryan callen
He's fucking good at what he does.
joe rogan
That guy's got a gang of TV shows.
And listen, man, the bottom line is Charlie Sheen was probably very creatively unfulfilled.
And it's not to say that Two and a Half Men wasn't a good show, because quite honestly, I never watched it.
I've never seen a single episode.
brian redban
It's not bad.
joe rogan
I watched maybe one scene once.
bryan callen
I'm happy for John Grier as the nicest fucking human being on the planet.
joe rogan
I met him a long time ago.
We did a college together.
bryan callen
Oh, did he do stand-up?
unidentified
I didn't know that.
joe rogan
I think he did.
I'm pretty sure it was him.
bryan callen
He's such a nice person.
joe rogan
He was in a movie before then.
I couldn't believe that I saw it.
It was one of the first guys I ever saw that had been in a movie.
I did a stand-up at this college, and then he did something else that was bigger in the same college.
bryan callen
Pretty in Pink, right?
joe rogan
Yeah, it was something, yeah, somewhere on those, I'm pretty sure it was John Cryer a long, long, long time ago.
But the point is that, you know, he probably, I mean, the guy was in fucking Platoon and Wall Street.
He was in two huge Oliver Stone smash movies.
I mean, and they were brilliant performances.
So when he's playing this silly guy in this silly show year after year, making mad, mad loot, the money piles up.
But then the ability to break away from the mundane becomes more and more extreme.
Just like the Catholic girl that wants to suck a dick, man.
bryan callen
That's exactly right.
If you're not being challenged as a grown man, you're going to give yourself a fucking problem.
You're going to find a way to challenge yourself.
You're going to create a problem for yourself.
That shit happens all the time.
Somebody gets exactly what they want and they're a little too young to handle it or they get exactly what they want and they don't have the imagination to figure out where else they can grow, they get into fucking trouble.
Too much money, no imagination, and you didn't earn it?
You're fucking...
Even if you did earn it...
joe rogan
What I do respect that Charlie Sheen's trying to do is apparently he's trying to evolve his show.
So he's bringing in comics and Russell Peters is going to come on.
He's going to tell us about it because Russell's been opening for him.
He's great.
Someone please on Twitter verify Russell Peters.
The real Russell P. That's him.
bryan callen
He's great.
joe rogan
He can't get verified.
brian redban
Wait, he's having guests on the show or comics opening for him?
joe rogan
Comics, what they do is the comics will interview him.
There's a video of him interviewing Russell Peters where, Russell Peters rather, interviewing Charlie Sheen where Charlie Sheen talks about accidentally leaving his gun out and Kelly Preston was living with him and she dropped the gun and shot her.
It shot the toilet and it ricocheted and hit her.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She got hurt.
bryan callen
How does that happen?
That's, you know, dropping a gun.
joe rogan
Crazy junkie shit.
bryan callen
Dropping a gun though, I don't think that usually goes off.
joe rogan
Yeah, it very well could have been a lot.
brian redban
Charlie just has good writers for this show.
They've probably learned from the mistakes of the past that they actually have to make this thing interesting.
joe rogan
Yeah, well that's what they're doing now.
But I mean, this story is a true story.
But apparently, who knows how much of it is true.
But Russell Peters was interviewing him.
And then Russell says a bunch of really funny lines in between it and just fucks around with it.
And so now it's sort of become sort of a show.
But I think they need to incorporate other things.
They need to incorporate music and some other shit.
brian redban
I think it should just...
And I haven't thought about Charlie Sheen in like three weeks.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's you.
That's you.
Everybody's...
He's got something there.
There's some sort of an interest.
bryan callen
As he moves to the country, he starts dragging together a show.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I mean, it's kind of fascinating.
Who knows?
I mean, look, the guy that...
Whoever the fuck the guy is inside of him that was the guy that was in Wall Street or was the guy that was in Platoon, that guy's a bad motherfucker.
And if you could find who that guy is, you know, people lose their way and regain it.
It happens.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And it might be through this humility that he gets out of getting fired from his fucking job and bested in this big dick contest.
bryan callen
I don't think he has that much money either.
joe rogan
What?
Dude, he's got like a hundred million bucks or something silly.
bryan callen
I don't know.
A lot of it might be in real estate.
A lot of times...
joe rogan
Dude, he was making more money than any human being had ever made on a sitcom.
He was making two million dollars a fucking episode.
brian redban
Yeah, he's definitely got money.
joe rogan
He's got some cash.
If he doesn't, he's crazy.
brian redban
He almost bought a hooker hotel.
bryan callen
There was an article about him not having that much money.
joe rogan
Really?
Yeah, but that's some haterade.
bryan callen
No.
brian redban
Haterade?
It was on the news.
I've never heard that before.
unidentified
That's awesome.
joe rogan
What?
You, the internet guru, has never heard of haterade?
bryan callen
Put Charlie Sheen.
unidentified
Put Charlie Sheen.
joe rogan
Haterade is old, dude.
bryan callen
I bet you if you look up Charlie Sheen bankruptcy or Charlie Sheen spent money, you'll see...
joe rogan
I bet you're hoping right now, wishing Charlie was going broke.
unidentified
Meanwhile, Charlie's winning while you're here doing your podcast.
joe rogan
Great.
bryan callen
Good stuff.
Good stuff.
joe rogan
It's really traveling well.
It's doing well for you.
It's a big-time production here.
Was that real foam over that microphone?
bryan callen
It's Joe Rogan.
He's very good at what he does.
joe rogan
Good luck, Charlie.
Smoke weed and stay away from that cocaine.
Those highs, those are not the good highs, bro.
bryan callen
Yeah, weed is fine.
Blow always...
Nobody ever did blow and went, yeah, I had all these problems, I did a bunch of blow, and then it fucking worked out.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
In the history of the world, that's never been said.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's not good.
That stuff's bad for you.
That stuff fries your fucking noggin.
brian redban
Did you know that Jimi Hendrix died when he was 27?
joe rogan
Yep.
brian redban
Isn't that crazy?
bryan callen
So did Janis Joplin.
joe rogan
Whenever I want...
bryan callen
So did Kurt Cobain.
So did Jim Morrison.
brian redban
Jim Morrison.
joe rogan
Whenever I have any sense of delusions of grandeur, just look at what Jimi Hendrix accomplished, and he was only 27. 27?
With no internet.
bryan callen
How about what Zeppelin did, but it's under 24. I mean, like, you hear them, like, Cashmere and Led Zeppelin 1. They were like 23, 24, 25. That's ridiculous.
Ridiculous.
Like, think about that.
They were right in fucking...
They were all, like, educated.
They all read a shitload.
Jimmy Page has a whole fucking library, like a huge library on black magic and stuff.
joe rogan
Wow.
bryan callen
Jimmy Page is a scholar.
He reads, you know, those guys have read a lot.
joe rogan
I had this conversation.
bryan callen
It was a different standard back then.
joe rogan
I had this conversation the other day with the lovely Brittany Palmer.
She's one of the ring girls of the UFC. I know Brittany.
She's a very nice girl.
bryan callen
She's dating my buddy.
joe rogan
Donald Cerrone, yeah.
bryan callen
No, she's dating my buddy Anthony now.
unidentified
Powerful.
joe rogan
Your friend Anthony's getting some of that?
bryan callen
Yes, my buddy's a writer.
joe rogan
I just saw a brand new show.
Anyway, she's a very nice person.
And she is fascinated by the 70s and the 60s.
And she's a painter.
And she's making all these different paintings.
And we were having this conversation.
I'm the same way.
When I listen to music, nine times out of ten when I'm driving in my car, I'm listening to my iPod.
And it's usually some 1970s Zeppelin or some 1970s Allman Brothers or Leonard Skinner.
That shit to me just resonates.
When I listen to old music from that era, for whatever reason, it just resonates.
And I'm trying to figure out, what is it about that time?
What is it about the Jimi Hendrix?
What is it about Jim Morrison?
Was it just because it was the first of that shit?
Was it because it was the first of this giant evolutionary breakthrough?
bryan callen
I think it's a combination of a number of things.
One is that a lot of people back then thought their music was counted for something.
In other words, they thought that their music could actually change something.
And a lot of what happens with artists' cynicism at times have a certain cynical stamp on them.
And I think we live in a very cynical time.
The notion that nothing you do as an individual, certainly as an artist, could change anything at all.
That's very prevalent among artists.
So you don't have people who are doing stand-up, for example, to try to break a social norm or shatter a social norm.
You certainly don't have a lot of musicians saying, my music is actually going to influence the political atmosphere.
Remember, we had been through in the 70s, we had just been through and were going through a terrible war in Vietnam.
And how many people died?
54,000 men were killed.
That's a huge number.
Where if you compare the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, it was 4,000 deaths and a lot of injuries.
But I'm just saying that in a very short period of time, we'd also been through a number of wars.
We were in the Cold War, we'd been through World War II and everybody had an active memory of that.
That shit, life really counted and mattered and people didn't live as long.
There was this idea that you better hurry up and get through it and make your fucking stamp while you still have an opportunity.
Because if you looked around, let's take 1974, and you looked around at the world, half the world was starving to death.
And half the world was living under communist dictatorships, which was essentially slavery.
And half the world was a very dangerous place in that war.
And by the way, there was an arms race called the nuclear arms race between the Soviet Union and the United States.
And a lot of people really were like, you know what?
We could all fucking just blow up.
The next war is going to be where the cockroaches and the rats are the only things living.
And there was always that saying that if there is a third world war, I think it was Einstein who said, the...
joe rogan
The fourth world war will be fought with sticks.
bryan callen
The living will envy the dead, right?
joe rogan
He said, I don't know what's going to start the third world war, what weapons will be used, but the fourth world war will be fought with sticks.
bryan callen
That's such a great quote.
But the point is that I think when you live in times of great uncertainty, And times of great hope and times of great violence.
Remember, in this country, we'd come off a number of assassinations, Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, John Kennedy, Joe Kennedy, and it goes on and on.
I mean, there was this notion that we were in a real battle and a real social battle for our souls, man.
You had government sending young boys off to die in a war.
Most people hadn't even heard of that fucking part of the world.
And there was this idea that we gotta get in the streets and say something and do something.
More importantly, if we do so, shit will change.
And people were getting hosed down and black people didn't have the vote until 1964. It was only 10 years old.
So when you think about how extreme Things were not only that, but how uncertain and how it was the beginning of so many different ideas that were competing.
When you get a society in turmoil, usually, and what's very positive about it is you want a cross-current of ideas.
You want ideas bashing heads like fucking rams.
And when you have that, provided you keep the violence out of it, but there's always going to be a little violence, but when you have that and people where they're fighting for their souls with an idea, You're going to get something pretty fucking cool.
And you're going to get certainly very volatile artistic expression.
And a lot of that expression can very well be Miles Davis who was saying, I'm a black man in America and I still don't feel free or whatever it might be.
Or you could have...
unidentified
Bieber?
bryan callen
Well, Bieber is candy compared to, think about it, how much music counted back then.
Jazz was the only place that a lot of black people could really express themselves honestly, through a fucking horn.
So if your heart's broken, you either sing it or you shoot it through a horn because if you say otherwise, you're going to get fucking hung or shot or arrested.
That's what it was to be black in the 1940s, 50s, 60s, and even the 70s for a lot of them.
That's the bottom line.
It goes on and on.
So things were way more extreme.
And I think in today's world where everything's at the touch of a button, where everybody has plenty to eat, even if it's not healthy food, and we feel safer.
And I think we're cynical.
I don't believe that what we do and what we say can really change the world.
And back then you did.
joe rogan
Do you think it's the numbers?
Just too many humans now?
bryan callen
No, I don't.
brian redban
I mean, there's still people like Raiders Against the Machine that kind of believe in the same kind of shit, you know?
bryan callen
I think we're going to face another...
We're going to face...
We're always going to face challenges as people and as a world.
And those challenges may very well bring into question our own survival.
I don't think so for a long time.
I don't know.
joe rogan
You know what's really changing the world?
This thing we're on right now, the internet.
This is the big change.
bryan callen
Very much.
joe rogan
The way we are right now, our parents were never like this.
That's right.
These conversations were never held.
bryan callen
And it gives more potential, Joe, for the notion that all of us could get together and springboard into an idea.
A major shift in consciousness.
joe rogan
With something like this.
Like right now, live, there's 2,000 people listening to us live.
And this is a tiny fraction of the amount of people that will listen to us over the next few months.
It's going to be hundreds of thousands of people.
And these people, when they start looking at...
The world, the way you're talking about it, the way, you know, stepping back and describing and saying, what is it?
What is it to live with passion?
What is important in this life?
What is the fun?
Where's the enjoyment?
Where's the real, true passion in this world?
Like, what is it for you?
What is it for you?
And if you don't fucking find that, your life's not going to be fun.
bryan callen
That's right.
joe rogan
And if don't get saddled down by debt, don't get caught up in a lot of important things.
bryan callen
But also, on piggybacking on that great point, is you've got to find a way to keep yourself inspired.
joe rogan
Yeah.
bryan callen
Find ways.
I don't care what it is.
joe rogan
Just look around, man.
Well, truly be doing what you enjoy doing.
You do have to constantly stoke those fires.
And one of the things about stand-up is the fear of bombing also gives you another added incentive and motivation that I think some artists are without.
unidentified
That's right.
joe rogan
You know, when they just produce books or just produce, you know, they just wait for reviews.
But the fear of actually physically being in front of someone when they don't like you, that's so much more intense than a shitty review.
bryan callen
It sure is because you feel it right away, man.
joe rogan
Yeah.
And it's not, it was just, I mean, look, just life is temporary and we all need to wrap our fucking heads around that.
If we all just step back, this whole world is moving on momentum.
And that is our number one problem as a race.
We're moving in the way that our ancestors have been moving.
No one ever just stops and goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's just settle down and talk this over.
Let's have a 30-day summit where the leaders of the world get together and try to figure out how are we going to redesign the human race to make us all function together?
How is there going to be a reasonable distribution of the natural resources of the earth so that One country doesn't grow rich because they have the fucking missiles and the nuclear bombs.
And somehow or another it's distributed amongst everyone so we get some sense of fairness and all work together to make sure that people don't have too many fucking babies so we don't run out of food on this crazy rock.
Let's organize this thing and let's do it together.
The only way that's going to happen is the kids that are in college right now who are listening to shit like this, who are going online and researching the world and looking at things in a way that we never had the ability to and the access to information that we never had access to.
And they're getting a chance to see the world from a fresh eye and fresh perspective and realize that this is some weird thing where we're all running in the same direction hoping that someone knows where we're going.
They're the future.
You, you college motherfucker with the bong right now.
This is for you.
bryan callen
Change the world.
And the responsibility for those kids is figuring out a way to sift through all the information.
joe rogan
There will be some in the system right now that will be sensitive to it and the next wave will integrate.
And the next wave of people that are trying to be politicians will be like Gary Johnson, will be like Ron Paul.
They'll realize there's freedom and love in telling the truth and really trying to do the right thing instead of being some bitch to a corporation, which is what most politicians are.
Most politicians are little hookers.
They stick their ass up in the air, and some corporation comes by and drops some money in their pussy.
And that's what they are.
And that's what we have to realize.
You don't have to be like that.
What the fuck?
Who cares?
The Fear Factor guy and the guy from The Hangover 2...
bryan callen
Ladies and gentlemen.
joe rogan
I'm telling you how to run this world.
bryan callen
Take notes.
joe rogan
I blame the weed for the last five minutes of this rant.
bryan callen
This has been a good podcast.
joe rogan
But it's true, man.
Not to say that this is why we're doing it, but I hear it all the time that this podcast changes the way people think.
And I think having a guy like you in my life has definitely changed the way I think.
And I think all of us together, we help each other.
And I'm very happy and very proud that we can put out this resource, not just for entertainment, this podcast, but also, you know, it gives you an opportunity to hear another point of view that you might not come in contact with in your life.
I don't know too many people like you.
And it's hard to cultivate them.
I've done a real good job of trying to keep as many interesting people in my life as possible because I think it's enriching.
You love conversations with you.
We have the craziest fucking conversations.
But we have had more on a regular basis since I put together this podcast than we have in the last few years.
bryan callen
I know.
That's why I like doing it.
I'm like, I want to do your podcast so we can hang out and talk.
joe rogan
Yeah, we're very lucky.
bryan callen
You get busy in life.
joe rogan
You do get busy.
bryan callen
These are great conversations that we have.
joe rogan
They're fucking awesome.
bryan callen
That you never really do when you're just hanging around.
Because a lot of it's grab assed.
You're just getting distracted by a bunch of other people.
It's focused.
When you're forced to sit down and focus and talk about what's important to you, you figure things out as you're talking.
joe rogan
Well, could you imagine all the people that are...
If you imagine if you're standing in front of 400,000 people, you would never feel so free to talk and be boring.
bryan callen
That's right.
You'd be terrified!
I'd be releasing dogs.
I'd do whatever I could, man.
Fucking 4,000 people.
joe rogan
We did 50 with Jimmy Norton.
We did a crowd of 50, and it was definitely a different experience.
We're going to do more of those.
We're going to do more of those.
We got three this week.
We got Rent is Easy tomorrow, and then we got Doug Benson on Wednesday.
All right, bitches.
Thank you to the Fleshlight.
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bryan callen
No.
joe rogan
I got some.
bryan callen
Oh, yeah, yeah, you gave me one.
joe rogan
I gave you one?
Did you use it?
Did you fuck holes in it already?
bryan callen
I don't know what you're talking about, Joe.
joe rogan
Listen, subscribe to Death Squad on iTunes.
It's Brian Reichel, aka Red Band.
He's got a whole network of funny comedians that we're all friends with, and they have a bunch of different shows.
Your Mom's House with Tom Segura is particularly excellent, as is The Skeptic Tank with Ari Shafir.
That's a fucking awesome one.
And then The Naughty Show with Sam Tripoli.
brian redban
We have Lexi Bell tonight on The Naughty Show.
joe rogan
Yeah, they're really fun.
And if you're looking for some free entertainment, it's available on iTunes and on DeathSquad.tv.
San Francisco, this weekend, almost sold out.
Get on it, bitches.
Don't sleep.
I got a lot of new shit.
I haven't been in...
bryan callen
Come to Edmonton Comic Strip this week.
joe rogan
Yeah, come to...
Where is it?
Edmonton.
bryan callen
Edmonton Comic Strip.
joe rogan
In Alberta, Canada.
Yeah.
Which is the shit.
Come on by.
So, me, Sam Tripoli, and Tom Segura at Cobb's.
I believe it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
I think Saturday's already sold out.
And most of Friday and Thursday are sold out, too.
brian redban
Sal's Wednesday.
joe rogan
Sal's Wednesday.
This Wednesday, Sal's Comedy Hole in LA. 8 o'clock.
Yeah, if you go to Sal'sComedyHole.com, it's a very fucking sketchy place.
They don't have real, like...
bryan callen
That's great.
joe rogan
It's really different.
You can't, like, buy tickets online.
unidentified
You can RSVP, though, and there's only 80 seats.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's only 80 seats.
It fills up and it's fun.
bryan callen
It's like an old school New York kind of spot where they did alternative comedy.
joe rogan
It's a good place to fuck around.
I sometimes will go on stage with just an idea there and just rant.
It's only like 80 or 90 people.
bryan callen
I got a whole thing I want to do on the Prince there.
joe rogan
Shazam, me too.
I'm going to do it first.
Oh, shit.
I'm going to break my Prince's nose as soon as we get out of here.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much.
We'll see you tomorrow.
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