May 9, 2011 - The Joe Rogan Experience
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Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! | |
| The Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| Train by day! | ||
| Joe Rogan Podcast by night! | ||
| All day! | ||
| Alright, this is Louis. | ||
| What's up? | ||
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What's up? | |
| Thanks for being here. | ||
| Thanks for finally having me. | ||
| My pleasure, dude. | ||
| Yeah, we talked about it a couple times. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My balls was hot. | ||
| One was the famous one. | ||
| I don't remember that one. | ||
| So how's things, man? | ||
| Things been crazy. | ||
| I can only imagine. | ||
| After that knockout of Curtis Blades, like, whew, I mean, that got a lot of attention. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it felt real good to knock him out because he was talking a lot of trash before the fight. | ||
| Isn't that, like, par for the course, though? | ||
| Everybody talks shit before the fight. | ||
| Even whenever I'm doing good, though. | ||
| He's been talking at least three years now. | ||
| He's been talking mess to me. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you take that shit personally? | ||
| I do, because I'm not in there trying to sell tickets. | ||
| Don't just come to me trying to sell tickets to talk trash. | ||
| I take everything personal. | ||
| Yeah, some guys do just try to sell tickets. | ||
| And then they'll say, it's not personal. | ||
| It's just like, when Khabib Nurmagomedov was fucking up Conor, when he was on top of him, pounding on him, going, let's talk now. | ||
| Let's talk now. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he goes, it's just business. | ||
| You know, it's like, this is not business. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| I go into every fight, like, life or death. | ||
| And I enter a deep, dark place every time I step inside the octagon, so it's not business for me. | ||
| What was interesting is after the fight, I mean, it was just such a spectacular knockout, but after the fight, you were so nonchalant. | ||
| You were just so relaxed, and you're like, I couldn't get started in there. | ||
| And everybody's like, what the fuck are you talking about you couldn't get started? | ||
| It was one of the most spectacular knockouts in the history of the heavyweight division, and you're like, ah, I couldn't get started. | ||
| Yeah, so I went back home and got my blood and everything tested. | ||
| And my T levels was like in the 300s. | ||
| So I had very low T. You mean testosterone? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You have low testosterone? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If I was going to make a bet... | ||
| I try to spend all my energy on my wife, so it's kind of hard because if I don't have the energy for her, then she'll think I'm out there messing around and stuff like that. | ||
| Do they know why your testosterone was low? | ||
| Maybe you overtrained or something? | ||
| No, we don't know yet, so I want to go to another doctor that the lady was just telling me about. | ||
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Oh, wow. | |
| That's crazy. | ||
| So that's why you felt lethargic. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| It was like that all week. | ||
| So at first I thought it was the jet lag or something like that, but it ended up just me and my T-levels. | ||
| That was one of the most perfectly timed uppercuts I've ever seen. | ||
| It was perfect. | ||
| Yeah, we practiced that for the last few months. | ||
| So that was the game plan when he shoots to catch him coming in? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Either the knee or the uppercut. | ||
| We knew he was going to be there. | ||
| We knew he was going to try to play the game, try to stand up for a little bit. | ||
| The way he shoots, he don't really shoot like a real wrestler. | ||
| He shoots from the hip down and come in like that. | ||
| He doesn't bend the knee and try to come in. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| So he hinges, he goes forward. | ||
| Why do you think he does that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Usually the wrestler, they drop a knee then shoots. | ||
| But he just bends down and I'm guessing he was just trying to grab my leg to pick it up or something like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So how did you get involved in fighting? | ||
| What was your first experiences? | ||
| First experience was like, because everyone knew I loved fighting in the streets, like every weekend at parties and stuff like that. | ||
| And so one of my friends that told me about MMA, and I was like, I didn't really know anything about MMA at the time. | ||
| And he told me to watch videos. | ||
| It's like 10 years ago. | ||
| Did you have any martial arts training at all? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| I still don't have any martial arts training, really. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Of course you do. | ||
| You're a professional martial artist. | ||
| I'm watching YouTube videos now, so I'm learning some stuff now. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're not fucking around? | ||
| Like really? | ||
| You learn from YouTube videos? | ||
| I learn from my coach as well, but I watch YouTube videos and stuff like that too. | ||
| So 10 years ago, you had no martial arts training at all? | ||
| No martial arts training. | ||
| And where did you first start training? | ||
| I just started training at a gym called Silverback MMA. And so this was 10 years ago. | ||
| You just decided to learn. | ||
| Were you thinking about being a professional? | ||
| Were you just doing it for fun? | ||
| They say that back then I thought like 500-500 was pretty good money. | ||
| You know, so they were saying that you can get paid. | ||
| $500, just three rounds, three minutes. | ||
| I said, just three minutes? | ||
| I didn't think three minutes was a long time until I got in there. | ||
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It's like, damn, okay. | |
| And so we just started training from there, though, and I fell in love with it. | ||
| To me, it was almost like street fighting, so it's like, yeah, I could do that. | ||
| One of the things that's changed about you over the years is your endurance. | ||
| Your endurance came up in a big way. | ||
| You can see it in the Gabriel Gonzaga fight. | ||
| You can see it in a lot of your fights. | ||
| You can put pressure on people now. | ||
| And you have a lot of high volume, which in the beginning of your career I think you had a harder time with. | ||
| Oh yeah, so that's really what we focus on now at Main Street Boxing Gym is my conditioning and my endurance and stuff like that because we feel like that's the only weakness in my game right now. | ||
| Yeah, but it's like you're so big. | ||
| I don't even know if it's a weakness. | ||
| I think it's just part of being a giant person. | ||
| But the Travis Brown fight's another example. | ||
| That was a crazy, fast-paced fight, but you overwhelmed him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I love that fight, too. | ||
| Before this past fight with Kurt, that was one of my favorites. | ||
| And that week, going into the Travis Brown fight, I took some laxatives to try to help me cut some weight. | ||
| But, you know, I took it that Wednesday, and he was still lingering around. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| He kicked me in my body, but he also broke my ribs, but I also did have to take a shit. | ||
| I wasn't lying about that. | ||
| That was a ridiculous interview though. | ||
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Yeah, that fight was a heavy-duty fight. | |
| There was a lot of bad blood in that fight too, right? | ||
| Yes, and ever since then, whenever I do my, you know how they come in a few days before the commentators try to talk to you, and ever since then I stopped telling the guys what's my game plan and stuff like that. | ||
| Because I didn't know him and Brian Stan at the time was friends. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Our game plan was to come in and try to kick his legs because he used to stand real wide. | ||
| But whenever me and him fought, he didn't stand like that at all. | ||
| Not one time. | ||
| So you think Brian Stan went to him and told him? | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| Oh, Brian. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's kind of dirty. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he didn't tell you his strategy. | ||
| No, he didn't. | ||
| Damn, Brian's damn. | ||
| So, I just believe that was the case, because he didn't do that at all. | ||
| And I watched previous fights of Travis, and he always used to have that wide stance, and he didn't do that at all for my fight. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Do you watch a lot of tape on fights? | ||
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Who? | |
| Do you watch tape on fighters when you're going to face them? | ||
| I used to. | ||
| Early in my career, I used to, but then I stopped because they fight me different. | ||
| If I'm watching tape on a wrestler, then by the time me and him fight, he's going to try to stand up with me. | ||
| It's just like when I fought Big Country. | ||
| I thought he was going to stand up the whole fight, and he just tried to take down, take down. | ||
| But don't most dudes try to take you down? | ||
| I mean, you have some pretty ridiculous punching power. | ||
| I think a lot of guys, if the option presents itself, they're going to try to take you down, right? | ||
| Yeah, I guess so. | ||
| But I prefer that anyways. | ||
| That's where I started to breathe and catch myself and my adrenaline be pumping too high. | ||
| Like, I fought throwing pots and my adrenaline was out of this world. | ||
| And so I told my coach if that happens, like in a fight with him, then I'm going to need him in the nuts on purpose. | ||
| I don't think you should say that. | ||
| Cut that out, dude. | ||
| Cut that part out. | ||
| You can't say that, man. | ||
| No, my adrenaline was just crazy. | ||
| I just needed to calm down. | ||
| So it was like beginning of the fight, so I did it on purpose. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I knew I was going to get a warning, so I was like, okay. | ||
| I'm calmed down now, so we can go. | ||
| That's an interesting strategy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what makes you get more amped up for some fights than others? | ||
| What's getting me amped up is if I'm looking at something that I want to buy after the fight, and so I'm like, okay, yeah. | ||
| So you get excited? | ||
| Yeah, I get excited for that. | ||
| You start counting your win bonus? | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm already counting my win bonus before I even get it. | ||
| So I'm like... | ||
| Give me an example of something that you would want to buy that gets you excited. | ||
| We had wanted to buy some property in Colorado a few years ago. | ||
| And so I was like, man, if I could get this knockout right here, then we could buy cash. | ||
| And so... | ||
| That right there, it gets me excited to do stuff like that. | ||
| There's no more cars. | ||
| I got all the cars. | ||
| That don't excite me anymore. | ||
| It used to, but stuff like that. | ||
| What are you going to do in Colorado? | ||
| Are you going to get a vacation spot? | ||
| Yes, we got 80 acres. | ||
| Nice, nice. | ||
| Where at? | ||
| In St. Louis. | ||
| Where's that at? | ||
| It's south of Colorado Springs. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| It's two hours away from New Mexico. | ||
| Oh, alright. | ||
| I fucking love Colorado. | ||
| Yeah, it's so beautiful out there. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| So peaceful too, right? | ||
| Especially at night. | ||
| I didn't... | ||
| Those... | ||
| That many stars at night, it's like... | ||
| Don't even seem real. | ||
| I know, it's crazy. | ||
| It's so quiet out there. | ||
| It lets you know that, you know, we really are in space. | ||
| When you look up like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially if you're high, right? | ||
| Man, that's a different story right there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, for a guy like you, I'd imagine you need some serious downtime. | ||
| Because the chaos of being a professional fighter at the highest level in the heavyweight division, there's a lot of pressure and stress. | ||
| Oh yeah, that's why I don't watch fights. | ||
| Whenever I watch fights, I catch myself starting to sweat. | ||
| Like, holding my breath. | ||
| So, like, this past weekend, I was watching one of the guys fighting. | ||
| I was sitting next to my wife, and she noticed that I just started breathing heavy out of nowhere because I'm already daydreaming about, okay, if I was in that situation, this is what I would do. | ||
| It's like, that's why I don't watch fights, because it's still stressful. | ||
| Yeah, so there was a rare thing, you watching the fight Saturday night? | ||
| Um, just wearing how that one guy that's fighting like Khabib, and I was like... | ||
| Oh, Islam Makachev? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I was like wondering, like... | ||
| A guy would hold me down like that, like the whole fight wouldn't be able to do anything. | ||
| What would I do? | ||
| That dude's a bad motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Islam, he's for real. | ||
| That grappling is serious. | ||
| Because that kid, Drew Dober, is very good. | ||
| For him to handle Drew Dober that way, I was super impressed. | ||
| What did you think of the main event, Blachowicz and Stylebender? | ||
| You know, I was going for style band there, but over, he just seemed too, like, strong. | ||
| Like, his power was, like, was a match. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Yeah, his power is ridiculous. | ||
| That dude's got crazy power. | ||
| And he's a big fella, too. | ||
| Yeah, he's big. | ||
| The difference between a legitimate light heavyweight and a guy who's a middleweight who just wants to test himself. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't think he's got what it takes to beat Jones, though. | ||
| Yeah, Jones is a different person. | ||
| He's a different person. | ||
| I mean, John Jones is, you know, that's top of the food chain. | ||
| He just figures a way around people. | ||
| He figures out how to beat people. | ||
| But I gotta admit, when you see what Blachowicz did to... | ||
| What the fuck's his name? | ||
| The guy... | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Dominic Reyes. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I don't know what happened. | ||
| My brain just short-circuited. | ||
| Dominic Reyes went five hard rounds to Jon Jones and it was a real close decision. | ||
| Blachowicz blew him out in two rounds. | ||
| The thing about Blachowicz is you can't fuck up. | ||
| It's a lot like you. | ||
| You can't make any mistakes. | ||
| He hits too fucking hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I would like to see that fight. | ||
| I wish John... | ||
| But I want to see John at heavyweight, too. | ||
| What do you think about John coming up to your weight class? | ||
| Yeah, that's good. | ||
| And, you know, John's cool. | ||
| He's cool people or whatever. | ||
| But I also, like, picture myself fighting him one day, and I kind of know what his game plan would be if he ever faced me. | ||
| You know, he'll try to attack the legs a lot. | ||
| I don't think he'll really try to take me down. | ||
| He'll try to keep his distance and try to strike at a distance or what. | ||
| He'll try to stay away. | ||
| You don't think he'd be trying to take you down at all? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| How come? | ||
| What makes you think that? | ||
| Because I would love for a guy to get that close to me. | ||
| I believe that's their downfall whenever they get that close. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| To clinch up, especially. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, John's very good at using that long reach. | ||
| I'm just interested to see. | ||
| I mean, he's at 250 pounds now. | ||
| That's a legit heavyweight. | ||
| He looks like a heavyweight for sure. | ||
| I don't think he should try to gain any more weight, though. | ||
| I think his walk-around weight is good enough because I believe he walks around at 240, 235, something like that. | ||
| I don't think he should keep trying to gain weight or bulk up as much as you think he should because Kane Velasquez and Stipe, they walk around at 235, 240. And so he'd be a natural heavyweight, really. | ||
| That's interesting because there's two schools of thought, right? | ||
| There's a school of thought that you should be as big as you possibly can to deal with guys like you or guys like Francis Ngannou, the biggest of the big in the division. | ||
| And then the other school of thought is you should be lighter, have more endurance, push more volume, move quicker. | ||
| That's what I'm working on right now. | ||
| Trying to be endurance and trying to be quicker and stuff like that. | ||
| Because being big is like... | ||
| What do you weigh now? | ||
| Right now I'm 290 only because I ate Krispy Kreme this morning. | ||
| We're going to cut that part out though. | ||
| What do you want to get down to? | ||
| I would love to get down to like 250, 245. Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you see that being possible? | ||
| I think your skeleton weighs about 250. I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm trying. | ||
| I'm trying. | ||
| But since I've been off, I've been eating my ass off. | ||
| I would love to get down to 250 though. | ||
| Now, I've watched a lot of your training videos, and you do a lot of strength and conditioning stuff, like a lot of explosive work and shit like that. | ||
| Would you change that and just start doing a lot of long distance endurance stuff? | ||
| How would you lose that kind of weight? | ||
| No, I wouldn't change that. | ||
| I love doing that. | ||
| I believe me doing that right there takes a lot out of me, and I love feeling fatigue after every workout. | ||
| And so I wouldn't do anything like that, but I would also try to run on a track or something like that, run a few miles around a track. | ||
| That's something I've never done before. | ||
| So you don't run at all? | ||
| No. | ||
| So what do you do for endurance work? | ||
| I do Stairmaster. | ||
| We do elliptical bike and stuff like that. | ||
| I don't run. | ||
| I haven't ran in years, really. | ||
| Do you not run because you don't like it or do you not run because of your joints? | ||
| Oh, I just don't like it. | ||
| It's boring. | ||
| It's boring. | ||
| But if it was good for you, do you think you'd... | ||
| So this is the plan. | ||
| The plan is to start incorporating that. | ||
| Yeah, if it's good for me, you know. | ||
| But it's hard, though. | ||
| I can only imagine. | ||
| I could probably do it for a few days, but after that, I'm like, nah, I don't feel like doing all that. | ||
| Well, I only weigh 200 pounds, and it's hard on my knees. | ||
| I can imagine as big as you are, running is rough. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure it's rough. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| It's boring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I guess you could do other kinds of cardio, long-distance cardio, long-duration cardio to try to drop some weight. | ||
| But you'd have to try to change your diet, too, right? | ||
| Yes, diet is the number one thing. | ||
| But it's hard, though. | ||
| I live right next to Popeye's and... | ||
| All these Whataburgers and all these fast food restaurants, it's like right there. | ||
| Listen, man, I'm a giant fan of Popeyes. | ||
| Spiced chicken and beans and rice, it's hard to pass up. | ||
| That beans and rice is good. | ||
| Yes, it's deadly. | ||
| It's a problem. | ||
| But do you work with a nutritionist at all? | ||
| I used to work with Lou Nutrition out there in New Jersey. | ||
| I used to work with him. | ||
| But other than that, no. | ||
| My wife, she tried to look up recipes here and there. | ||
| But she still needs a lot of work in the kitchen. | ||
| Have you ever used the UFC's program with trifecta meals? | ||
| Yeah, I did and I didn't like it. | ||
| Didn't like it? | ||
| It was trash. | ||
| I told him it's trash. | ||
| I don't like it at all. | ||
| What don't you like about it? | ||
| There's no season, no flavor to it. | ||
| Yeah, I get it. | ||
| Whenever I spit in the other guy's food, I really meant that. | ||
| That shit was nasty. | ||
| Oh. | ||
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That's right. | |
| You spit in his food. | ||
| Why the fuck were they... | ||
| Was that Ole Nick? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why were they sending you Ole Nick's food? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They probably just trying to get rid of that shit because it was nasty. | ||
| You didn't send it back to... | ||
| I mean, they threw it out. | ||
| They didn't give it back. | ||
| I don't know if they sent it back or what. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Definitely not if they saw the video. | ||
| Well, he don't speak English, so he probably didn't know what I was saying anyway. | ||
| Well, he probably knew you were spitting in his food. | ||
| That's pretty universal. | ||
| What kind of shit were they giving him? | ||
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| They look boring? | ||
| Chicken breasts? | ||
| Boiled broccoli? | ||
| That kind of shit? | ||
| Well, he probably got something good because I don't order no nasty shit like that. | ||
| That was nasty. | ||
| I told him to put seasoning on mine. | ||
| So like for trifecta, do you get to pick what they send you? | ||
| Yes, I get to pick. | ||
| So you can order something that's got seasoning and some spicy food? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Something good? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But whatever they was trying to give to him, it was not good. | ||
| No? | ||
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No. | |
| Maybe he's got some weird diet he follows. | ||
| Probably so. | ||
| He's an interesting cat, that guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I never fought anyone like him. | ||
| He's weird. | ||
| Crazy grappler. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Finishes people when they're mounted on him, which is nuts. | ||
| The only guy I've ever seen, I think he's done it twice. | ||
| He gets in with that Ezekiel. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He got me in, I guess, Ezekiel. | ||
| That's what it was. | ||
| He got me in that position. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| If my coaches never had told me about that the week of the fight, I would never know what the hell he was doing. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| I was kind of panicking because he was suffocating me with his skin. | ||
| It wasn't just a choke. | ||
| I couldn't breathe. | ||
| So I was panicking a little bit. | ||
| Then he had said something in Russian and let it go and smiled. | ||
| I was like, shit, appreciate it. | ||
| Because he almost had me. | ||
| I was like, shit, I was about to tell him because I didn't know what was going on. | ||
| So I was scared. | ||
| I said, alright, I appreciate it. | ||
| And he hit me in my stomach. | ||
| I said, alright. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| Yeah, that guy's an unusual grappler. | ||
| He just grabs a hold of people. | ||
| He seems ridiculously strong. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| I've never seen anybody finish that move like he does. | ||
| Where he lets guys mount him. | ||
| And he grabs ahold of their neck, he puts it like this, and then he opens up so they think, oh, I'm going to mount. | ||
| And they move him out and he sinks it in and he squeezes and he presses you down. | ||
| I want to feel that. | ||
| That's a crazy move. | ||
| I want to know how he does that. | ||
| I wonder if he's got a certain setup he uses for that. | ||
| Yeah, he's got, what, 80 fights? | ||
| Yeah, he's been around. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, he still loves it, I guess. | ||
| He's in his 40s, too. | ||
| Deep in his 40s, right? | ||
| 44? | ||
| 45? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When do you think you're going to stop? | ||
| Do you have a number in your head? | ||
| It all depends. | ||
| If my body says, sit your ass down, we can keep going. | ||
| It also depends on the money, you know. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If the money keeps getting better like it is, we'll keep going until UFC says, all right, we holler at you. | ||
| Well, you're in a position now where, you know, you're at the top of the food chain, right? | ||
| So you got Stipe, who's about to fight Francis in a rematch. | ||
| You've already beat Francis. | ||
| And then you got Johnny. | ||
| I don't even count that as a beating Francis. | ||
| You know, that fight right there. | ||
| It was a weird fight. | ||
| People don't even bring that up no more. | ||
| Yeah, that was a weird fight. | ||
| What was up with that fight? | ||
| My back was hurting. | ||
| I felt overweight the whole fight. | ||
| I had knee issues. | ||
| I had a bunch of problems with myself. | ||
| I don't know what was going on with him. | ||
| I think he was still fucked up because of the Francis fight. | ||
| The Stipe? | ||
| Excuse me, yeah, the Stipe fight. | ||
| Yeah, I think that Stipe fight just fucked with his head. | ||
| In fact, he got so tired in that fight that Stipe overwhelmed him and beat him for the first time in the UFC. I think it was just bothering him. | ||
| I for sure would love to run it back, though. | ||
| You've had some back issues over the years, right? | ||
| What are the back issues? | ||
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My L4 and L5. Do you have a bulging disc? | |
| Bulging and hernia. | ||
| What have you done to fix it? | ||
| I had knee surgery after the junior fight. | ||
| And so they were saying that my right leg was shorter than my left leg because that's how tight my back was. | ||
| And so they ended up having knee surgery and they said that I was compensating on it. | ||
| And so ever since I had the surgery, I haven't had any serious problems with it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That was it? | ||
| It's weird how everything's connected like that. | ||
| Like a knee problem can fuck your back up. | ||
| I've been having the knee problem for like four years before I got it fixed. | ||
| Was it meniscus? | ||
| Yes, meniscus and it's partial torn ACL. So did they replace the ACL? ACL is still partial torn. | ||
| They replaced the meniscus. | ||
| MCL is completely gone. | ||
| Oh really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So did they reattach the MCL? Yes. | ||
| How did they do it? | ||
| Yeah, I put some plastic things, anchors or whatever. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now it's good to go? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| What happened, I heard it against Ruan Potts. | ||
| He got me in a knee bar. | ||
| It was real tight, and I didn't tap. | ||
| And so, ever since that fight, it's been bothering me. | ||
| Because one fight you had, the Fabrizio Verdun fight, you had to pull out because your back was so fucked up. | ||
| That was like the day of the fight, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What was going on with that? | ||
| I couldn't move. | ||
| I couldn't even roll out of bed. | ||
| It was like a cramping, sharp pain in my lower back. | ||
| And that was just from the herniated disc? | ||
| Yeah, the doctor came in and coaches, and it was the size of my fist, the knot in my back. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's crazy that it's all because of the knee. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so since the knee's fixed, now your back is good. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And did you have to do any back strengthening exercises or any... | ||
| Yeah, I had to do therapy for like four months. | ||
| And, you know, ever since I finished all the legs, no more back problems. | ||
| That's pretty crazy. | ||
| Do you fuck with yoga or anything like that? | ||
| They told me that yoga would help a lot. | ||
| You know, I've seen DDP been trying to reach out and help, trying to get me to do his yoga. | ||
| Have you been in contact with him? | ||
| No. | ||
| I connect you. | ||
| He's great. | ||
| No, I'm alright. | ||
| Oh, come on, man. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
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I want to see you doing DDP yoga. | |
| He's a great guy, too. | ||
| You'd love him. | ||
| I guess I'd give him a try, but I prefer a woman try to teach me yoga and not do it. | ||
| Oh, I understand. | ||
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I understand. | |
| Yeah, he thinks it's different than regular yoga. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I heard. | ||
| Well, he has dynamic tension at the yoga. | ||
| He does yoga, but he adds a bunch of other moves that go with it. | ||
| It's really tough. | ||
| It's a very good workout. | ||
| And you know, he's in his 60s and he can grab his foot and stick it straight up in the air and do like a standing split. | ||
| It's crazy how flexible he is. | ||
| I guess I'll give it a try since I got low T. So I'm just the closest woman anyway. | ||
| His whole thing was his back was so fucked up from pro wrestling. | ||
| So using yoga, he strengthened his back and that allowed him to extend his career. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know a lot of guys whose back has been pretty fucked up and yoga's would save them. | ||
| Yoga. | ||
| Yoga put it all together for them. | ||
| That's why I brought it up. | ||
| But I understand. | ||
| A lot of manly dudes don't want to be in there doing yoga. | ||
| Especially with another man, you know. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's like getting a massage from another man. | ||
| Yeah, I can't do that. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| I like to relax. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's odd, but sometimes dudes are the only ones that can really get in there, get in there and work them muscles. | ||
| I know some big old Brock Lesnar, Brock Lesnar form looking women that really get in there with the same haircut and everything. | ||
| Shout out to Ms. Linda. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Same haircut and everything. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
| So what is like a typical training day for you? | ||
| Do you ever do straight Jiu Jitsu? | ||
| Or do you do just straight on MMA training? | ||
| Like what do you do? | ||
| Now I do strength conditioning for an hour. | ||
| After that, I rest for like three hours, then I go back and do jujitsu and striking at the same time. | ||
| So you just MMA style workouts? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So when you say you do strength and conditioning for an hour, you do that every day? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Monday, I guess, not anymore. | ||
| It was Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, I do that. | ||
| And so every day is two a days or do you have sometimes one workout a day? | ||
| Yeah, some Wednesdays and Thursdays is one a day. | ||
| And how did you, is this from trial and error? | ||
| Did you try different ways of doing it and different ways of setting up your camps? | ||
| And this is what you found to be the best for your body? | ||
| I really just don't like training. | ||
| I'm not going to lie to you. | ||
| I don't like doing none of this. | ||
| I really just do it just to take care of my family. | ||
| I do it just enough if, okay, I can last three rounds. | ||
| I'm going to train just the last three rounds. | ||
| If I got to train five rounds, I'm like, damn! | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm going to try to train as much as I can just to last at least four and a half rounds. | ||
| But if you're going to fight for the title again, you're going to have to fight five rounds. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I'm going to have to fight five rounds. | ||
| That's the only thing that scares me. | ||
| But you want to be the champ. | ||
| I want to be the champ, but my main goal is to be the champ. | ||
| My main goal is to be rich like you. | ||
| And I ask people questions. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But the best way to be rich is to be the champ. | ||
| That's like your best path. | ||
| And you have a legit shot at being the heavyweight champion of the world. | ||
| I mean, that's got to mean something. | ||
| It just... | ||
| My name and mixed with heavyweight champion in the world is so crazy because my past and the stuff I've been through in my life just wouldn't be real. | ||
| Well, tell me about your past. | ||
| What about it makes it seem less real? | ||
| I guess, you know... | ||
| Going through the system and stuff like that for so many years and being counted out and being left behind by family members and friends and stuff like that and everyone turning their back on you. | ||
| Then being on top of the world and top of the sport and stuff like that. | ||
| My name mentioned by other great people in the world and stuff like that. | ||
| Now other people are looking up to me Then being heavyweight champion of the world would just be an unbelievable feeling. | ||
| Well, it's got to be unbelievable already, right? | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| You're one of the top heavyweights on the planet Earth. | ||
| It is. | ||
| You've got to be ranked number two right now, right? | ||
| Yes, I'm number two. | ||
| It's a crazy feeling. | ||
| I try not to think about it because it really don't feel real. | ||
| I feel like one of those highs that you wish you'd never been this high. | ||
| I don't want to be this high anymore. | ||
| I'm sure to show you. | ||
| Sorry to be on the mushrooms and stuff like that. | ||
| I'm like, nah. | ||
| Yeah, I understand. | ||
| So tell me about your past. | ||
| What about, like when you're saying going through the system, you mean the judicial system? | ||
| What about your past was... | ||
| Yeah, I've been in prison and stuff like that. | ||
| I did three and a half years in prison. | ||
| For what? | ||
| For assault, aggravated assault. | ||
| I don't see you assaulting people. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I'm kidding. | ||
| Well, you should have been at my courthouse. | ||
| You should have been telling that to the judge. | ||
| I would have said that to the judge. | ||
| Your Honor, I think this is a mistake. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So three and a half years for that. | ||
| And so people wrote you off. | ||
| They felt like you were just going to be trouble your whole life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially I had a full scholarship. | ||
| I played the year. | ||
| I ended up getting probation for that. | ||
| I ended up playing a year at Kilgore Dream College. | ||
| And I ended up violating because I didn't have a job, and I had to pay my fines and fees and show up to my meetings, which no one wanted to help me to do. | ||
| And so I ended up getting violated from that. | ||
| And it was only a two-year probation at the time, just a vacation. | ||
| And so no one wanted to help me to go to my class and help me pay my fines and stuff like that because I was in college, you know, didn't have any money. | ||
| And so they violated me. | ||
| I went to prison on a five-year sentence, but I got parole three and a half years. | ||
| So you went to prison because of the violation of not paying the fines? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The feeling of being counted out by the system, that's one of the main problems that most people have with our justice system. | ||
| It's that it doesn't really rehabilitate people. | ||
| It makes people feel like there's no hope. | ||
| And in a lot of ways, it makes them resign themselves to a life of crime. | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah. | ||
| Then it's really nothing they can really do to help somebody to rehabilitate themselves whenever they get out. | ||
| There's no programs they can really, like jobs and stuff. | ||
| There's some jobs, but not really good paying jobs that they really need to really survive out here. | ||
| So going from that to becoming a successful martial artist, and I know you don't think you practice martial arts, but you definitely do, but to be a successful fighter, you've changed your future, but I think you've also opened up a lot of people's eyes that maybe they can change their future too. | ||
| If a guy like you can do it, then what's the difference between you and a lot of other people? | ||
| Not much difference. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| My brother reminds me of that all the time. | ||
| He's thinking that the fighting is so easy because I could do it that he believed that he could do it. | ||
| I'm telling you, it's completely different. | ||
| Is your brother big like you? | ||
| Yeah, he's big, yeah. | ||
| Can he fight? | ||
| Well, he can fight in the streets. | ||
| You know, it's completely different fighting in the streets than mixing more shots. | ||
| But yeah, in the streets he can fight. | ||
| How old's your brother? | ||
| He's 31. I'm recruiting him right now. | ||
| How much does he weigh? | ||
| Where's he at? | ||
| He's about 250. Oh, there we go. | ||
| But he's short, though. | ||
| He's short. | ||
| He's like 5'10". | ||
| So is Daniel Cormier. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You can be short and still be the heavyweight champion of the world. | ||
| I mean, Mike Tyson, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but is he interested in doing it? | ||
| Yeah, he is, but I told him, no, we're not doing it. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because my brother took ghetto, first of all. | ||
| They wouldn't... | ||
| The world wouldn't be able to handle someone like him. | ||
| Really? | ||
| He's too outspoken and he's real ghetto. | ||
| Man, I don't know. | ||
| If you can tell him to tone it down a little bit, we might have... | ||
| I tell him that every day whenever I talk to him. | ||
| He's always going live and just want to be ghetto all the time. | ||
| So he can't be doing it. | ||
| He got to learn how to turn it off and on. | ||
| And he's like, no. | ||
| Is he the guy you get your Instagram clips from? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Dude, you get the best Instagram page out of any MMA fighter. | ||
| I check your shit every day. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I check your shit every day because there's always something wild that you have posted. | ||
| Somebody reported me for something just now. | ||
| Oh, you fucking rats. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was it? | ||
| It's the video I posted. | ||
| Which one? | ||
| He ran into the back of the truck. | ||
| He was getting pulled by the truck. | ||
| Yeah, the guy who slid with the rope, hanging out to the rope. | ||
| You got reported for that one? | ||
| That's so tame. | ||
| They should see all your other shit. | ||
| They're reporting you for that. | ||
| Yeah, so now what I do, I just keep him on there for a few hours or maybe a day or so. | ||
| Then I delete him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I almost hesitated telling people how good your Instagram was because I didn't want you to get in trouble because it was so fun. | ||
| Because it's always dudes getting fucked up and it's always he's okay when you know that motherfucker's not okay. | ||
| That's what I started doing because I was getting reported a lot and I was like... | ||
| Okay, he's okay. | ||
| People start asking, what's the backstory? | ||
| Is they on camera? | ||
| I'm saying, he's okay. | ||
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There's a lot of dead people that were on your Instagram for fucking sure. | |
| Are you selling a he's okay shirt? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We sold out. | ||
| We sold out. | ||
| He's okay, she's okay sold out. | ||
| I need a he's okay. | ||
| She's okay, I feel bad. | ||
| I feel bad. | ||
| I don't know why, man, but when girls get fucked up in those videos, it makes me feel bad. | ||
| When dudes get fucked up, I don't feel bad at all. | ||
| It doesn't bother me at all. | ||
| Snoop's got a great page, too. | ||
| Snoop's always posting people getting fucked up, but he posts this one girl, she was drunk, and she was on the top of a truck, and the truck pulled off, and she fell and landed on her head. | ||
| Yeah, I'll post it. | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I told the lady that did that, I'm like, damn, I know my head is messed up, but she really had cropped the hell out of my head. | ||
| Yeah, what did she do? | ||
| She made your head smaller. | ||
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Look at my ear, too. | |
| In my ear. | ||
| She's like, his head's too big. | ||
| I'm gonna make it smaller. | ||
| She did. | ||
| She shrunk your head. | ||
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Look at my ear. | |
| Look at my ear. | ||
| My white ear. | ||
| I don't have no ear. | ||
| It looks like she took like a half inch off the right side of your face. | ||
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There's a rough photoshopping job there. | |
| Yeah, she's terrible. | ||
| People think they know better. | ||
| Like, oh, his head's too big. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| When did you start posting fucked up things on Instagram like that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
|
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Probably... | |
| 16? | ||
| 17? | ||
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Did you see this one? | |
| Which one? | ||
| Yes, the guy with the hot dog. | ||
| It's like a hot dog in the dude's pants, wake him up, and cuts his arm off. | ||
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What does the UFC think about your page? | |
| Um... | ||
| They used to have that one guy, Randy. | ||
| He used to always call me every day telling me, oh, Dana White wants you to take it down. | ||
| I'm like, no, I'm not taking that down. | ||
| I said, hold on, give me a few more hours. | ||
| I'm going to leave without a few more hours. | ||
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That's hilarious. | |
| They used to call me every day. | ||
| Do you think it was really Dana White, though, or was it him? | ||
| That's what I was telling myself. | ||
| It's probably Dana White. | ||
| I bet it's him. | ||
| But then Dana White had a message of me one day on one of the videos. | ||
| The guy had jumped off the roof. | ||
| Well, he was trying to jump in the pool, but he ended up slipping on the roof and laying the head first. | ||
| And Danny White said, White, what happened to that video? | ||
| I said, well, I took it down and he said, send it to me. | ||
| And he ended up posting it on his page. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I said, oh, okay. | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| If someone's saying, take it down, it's not Dana. | ||
| It's not Dana. | ||
| I send Dana some fucked up things. | ||
| He never gets upset. | ||
| Yeah, he's fine with it. | ||
| But you figured out a way to make your... | ||
| I mean, how many followers you got now? | ||
| Just about almost 2 million. | ||
| Yeah, and I mean, a lot of it is people following you because of your fight career, but a lot of people are following you because of some wild shit you post. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's a lot of celebrities, too. | ||
| Like, I didn't even know they were following me. | ||
| It's pretty cool, though. | ||
| Got invited to shoot some golf with Scarface. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's pretty cool. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| Oh, look at him right there, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Brother Mob of Scarface. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I met Willie D when I did the improv in Houston. | ||
| Sometimes I get starstruck. | ||
| With him I got starstruck. | ||
| When I was a kid, when I was delivering newspapers, I would listen to Ghetto Boys all the time. | ||
| Sometimes you meet people and you can't believe that's really them. | ||
| Like, you're a real person? | ||
| Here you are right here. | ||
| Then I had him on the podcast and it was great, but Jamie fucked up and half the tape got erased. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
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Whoops. | |
| The recording's good, but the video got fucked up. | ||
| The hard drive filled up. | ||
| He'll come back again. | ||
| He'll come back again. | ||
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It's the only time it's ever happened. | |
| It'll never happen again. | ||
| I had a chance to have Bushwick Bill on, but when we circled back, he apparently was in the middle of dying. | ||
| And right when we circled back, he was already in the hospital, and then he died shortly after there, unfortunately. | ||
| But I've always been a huge Ghetto Boys fan. | ||
| Yeah, I love Ghetto Boys. | ||
| But Scarface was sick too, right? | ||
| Didn't he have a... | ||
| Yeah, he's getting lung or something like that. | ||
| He needed a kidney transplant. | ||
| I think he needs a kidney transplant. | ||
| I think he still do. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I think so too. | ||
| So you golf a lot? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that like your recreation shit? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Every week. | ||
| Just about every week. | ||
| What else do you do to relax? | ||
| Probably just go for a ride through the city. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| Go for a ride. | ||
| Chill with my kids, my wife. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| Well, we were supposed to have a UFC. They were trying to have a UFC in Houston. | ||
| They were trying to do the title fight in Houston, but apparently Texas is like, not yet. | ||
| Yeah, the mayor, he was already tripping about it being fully open, 100% open. | ||
| He was already tripping. | ||
| He went on the news right away whenever that happened. | ||
| He was saying that it wasn't a good idea. | ||
| Look at Florida. | ||
| They're fine. | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to Florida next week, actually. | ||
| They're wide open and they're fine. | ||
| If you look at their cases, their cases are no worse than anybody else's. | ||
| And they have an old population. | ||
| Florida, like the numbers, the average age of people is higher than most places. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're fine. | ||
| It's retirement home city, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think you got to let people do whatever the fuck they want to do. | ||
| It's too long. | ||
| It's been a year. | ||
| You can't just lock everything down for a year. | ||
| Especially when we know what the disease really is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like a year ago, everybody thought it was like the plague and it was going to kill 10% of the population. | ||
| We know it's not now. | ||
| But they was blaming everything on COVID and getting in a car accident, COVID. Right. | ||
| If someone died, you mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Talk to me about your cars. | ||
| What kind of cars are you into? | ||
| Ferrari. | ||
| You got a Ferrari? | ||
| McLaren. | ||
| That's where you're spending all your money? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I buy houses too, yeah. | ||
| What kind of Ferrari you got? | ||
| F12. Really? | ||
| It's the best sounding car in the world right there. | ||
| Yeah, pull up a picture of that. | ||
| See if you can get a video of a Ferrari F12. That's a serious fucking car. | ||
| That's the V12, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh my god, that thing sounds good. | ||
| IPE exhaust. | ||
| Yeah, my friend Coleon Noir, he's a gun guy on Instagram. | ||
| Maybe you've seen him. | ||
| He's a famous... | ||
| He posts all kinds of shit about guns. | ||
| He just got one of those too. | ||
| Got an F12. But yeah, that's a ridiculously fast car too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Is that your favorite? | ||
| My favorite cruise-around car, if I wanted to embarrass somebody in the speed, it's the McLaren, the 720. Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So how many cars do you have? | ||
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One, two, three. | |
| Look at that thing. | ||
| About six. | ||
| Six? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| let me hear this thing it's a beautiful sounding car Look at that thing. | ||
| What color is yours? | ||
| - Let's wear it. - Do you sometimes like get in it and go, I can't believe I have a fucking phone. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| It's the same way with my home, my house. | ||
| I'm, like, every day, I'm, like, I'm just sitting in the living room or sitting at the kitchen table, and I just look around, like, can't believe it. | ||
| So I've been in the house almost three years now, and I still... | ||
| I can't believe it. | ||
| And I pull up to it and I'm like, man, I can't believe it. | ||
| Because I grew up in a 700 square foot home, you know, in the projects in New Orleans. | ||
| And being in an apartment just about all my life until I got into the UFC. And so, like, living in a home like this is, like, so crazy. | ||
| My whole life right now is like so crazy. | ||
| So that's why I really don't even really get high no more. | ||
| I really drank because I'm already feeling like on top of the world. | ||
| Yeah, you're high on life. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's got to be surreal. | ||
| What is this here? | ||
| Oh, that's my Lamborghini. | ||
| It's a twin turbo. | ||
| Look at that fucking thing. | ||
| Which model is that? | ||
| A Honda car. | ||
| Jesus Christ, that's a good looking car. | ||
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What do you even take this into a drag strip? | |
| Look at Derrick Lewis. | ||
| McLaren, bikini, Ferrari. | ||
| I was thinking my wife was back there. | ||
| She'd be finding all kind of stuff. | ||
| She'd say, oh, you was here. | ||
| Oh, you was doing this. | ||
| I said, no, I wasn't. | ||
| She'd pull up the receipts. | ||
| I'm like, damn. | ||
| I said, no, that ain't me. | ||
| That's Shaq. | ||
| They say me and Shaq look alike. | ||
| Shaq is a ridiculously big person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Every time I'm around Shaq, I can't believe we're the same thing. | ||
| His hands are so big. | ||
| Like, you shake his hand. | ||
| His hand disappears inside of his hands. | ||
| I'm like a point guard next to Shaq. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| When you see a guy like Shaq, what's crazy is he couldn't fight in the UFC because he's too big. | ||
| Too big. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| Why do they have a weight limit for heavyweight? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It don't make any sense to me either. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| Why do you have to reach 265? | ||
| That seems so silly to me. | ||
| Because there's a super heavyweight, right? | ||
| Yeah, super heavyweight. | ||
| But there's no division. | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| I guess they feel like that it would be too fat and slow and everyone would get tired real quick. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, what does LeBron James weigh? | ||
| He's got to weigh 290. What does he weigh? | ||
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He might be slimmed down. | |
| I remember them saying 280 was the claim like 10 years ago. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| So let's assume... | ||
| Okay, let's think he's 20. It's 280. Let's say he's 280. He's not getting tired. | ||
| You could be a 280 super athlete. | ||
| He's probably 265 solid right now, you know? | ||
| I just think it's weird that there's a limit on the heavyweight division. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It'd be good if they change it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in a way, not in a way, but for sure, you're living the American dream. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In a good way, because your life wasn't good in the beginning, and now it's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty amazing. | ||
| I can't complain about anything, really. | ||
| Even the bad days, I really can't complain about it. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| Now it's like I try to help a lot of my family members out, but they're still trying to find ways to burn me at the end. | ||
| Your family members? | ||
| Yeah, I brought just about all of them cars, like cash cars. | ||
| In less than a few months, they sold all of them. | ||
| Like, each of my brothers and sisters, my mom, they all sold their cars for the cash. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they had some type of crazy excuse, but it's all good. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Do you have a lot of people asking you for money now? | ||
| Every day. | ||
| I already know what's the setup going to be. | ||
| As soon as someone texts me or calls me that I haven't talked to in a long time, I already know what kind of story they're about to talk about before they ask for money. | ||
| You got to do what I do. | ||
| I change my number. | ||
| I change my number. | ||
| I change my number all the time. | ||
| I change my number all the time. | ||
| And my wife thinks, oh, it's because I'm female or something like that. | ||
| No, it's not really no females. | ||
| There's no females at all. | ||
| It's just like family members are... | ||
| Some other guy is trying to get an interview with me that someone gave my number to. | ||
| Yeah, that becomes a problem too, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's the problem, right? | ||
| More money, more problems. | ||
| It's 100% true. | ||
| It's real. | ||
| So true. | ||
| And as you become more and more successful, it's going to be a bigger issue still. | ||
| If you become the champ, then it's going to be crazy. | ||
| Oh, it's crazy now. | ||
| I already know. | ||
| I got men follow home, like, three times already. | ||
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Really? | |
| By fans? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do they ever knock on the door? | ||
| Usually, twice it was by some, like, different, it was couples, and twice it was, like, the woman was driving, and the guy was in the passenger side wanting a picture. | ||
| Making his girlfriend follow me to my house to take a picture. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird shit being famous, isn't it? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But for you, I mean, to come from being incarcerated, not having hope, into being in this position now, and, I mean, I can only imagine. | ||
| It's got to be completely surreal. | ||
| Surreal. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| It's like, I really don't need to get high on nothing or drink anything. | ||
| But it's cool, though. | ||
| It's a plus, you know, smoke a little weed here and there. | ||
| Yeah, to relax. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Relax. | |
| Take the edge off. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But does it give you more motivation to keep pushing too? | ||
| Because you realize that what has been possible. | ||
| I mean, you've done an amazing thing with your life. | ||
| Yeah, so they give me a lot of motivations. | ||
| Because I know how easy it is to slip up and go back into those situations because it was nothing but a street fight that ended bad for the guy I was going against and ended up having to serve almost five years. | ||
| So it could still happen. | ||
| I walk out of here. | ||
| And get in the street fight with someone and probably be way worse situation. | ||
| I think you got better lawyers now. | ||
| But you're not a, you're an easy going guy. | ||
| Yeah, now I am, yes. | ||
| Now you are. | ||
| But you weren't back then when you were younger. | ||
| Back then I was just, I think I had a lot of anger built up in me, which I still do now, but back then it was a lot more. | ||
| I believe it was just the way I was raised. | ||
| Wasn't showed that much love in my household and just the family circle. | ||
| I believe that's what led to a lot of my troubles in the street. | ||
| That's a lot of young men. | ||
| Do you feel like you have a second chance with your children to show them love because you didn't get that kind of love when you were younger? | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| My kids are completely different than how I was raised. | ||
| I'm so happy that they're making straight A's in school and making an honor roll every year and already getting scholarships and stuff like that to go to school. | ||
| Big colleges. | ||
| And so it's like, my life is already unbelievable as it is. | ||
| And just seeing that, it's like making me so proud. | ||
| That's beautiful. | ||
| Yeah, so proud. | ||
| That's amazing, man. | ||
| That's what everybody wants, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What everybody wants is like a happy life where it all comes together. | ||
| And I think with a person like you, you really appreciate it because it wasn't always like this. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| So I tell people all the time, I don't regret, I don't You know, I wish nothing like that would happen. | ||
| I believe that I had to go through that situation to be a better person than I am today. | ||
| So it's like, being raised without a father figure and stuff like that, I felt like, to me, everyone is different. | ||
| To me, I felt like I had to go through that situation to be a better father, to be a better man here today. | ||
| Because if not, then I for sure would have been going in and out of there. | ||
| For a lot of guys, growing up with a bad situation, like without a father figure, that's ultimately, ironically, what makes them great. | ||
| Like, having this thing that you're missing when you're young, having these deficits in your life, having a lack of love, it gives you all this motivation, and it makes you... | ||
| It gives you all this energy to do something with your life. | ||
| It's ironic because I want nothing but good things for my family. | ||
| But all of my interesting friends had fucked up lives. | ||
| All my favorite people, all the people that I know with the most character, their childhood was chaos. | ||
| But I don't want my kids to go through that. | ||
| I want my kids to have a nice, easy life. | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's ironic. | ||
| Nowadays, you really have to really talk to your kids now, even though they're doing everything good in school and they're quiet. | ||
| But now it's like the suicide rate is so high, you never know what's really going on inside their head, you know. | ||
| Even though they're not in the streets or doing anything bad. | ||
| But they stay in the room all day long. | ||
| My oldest daughter, she's 17, and she stays in the room all the time. | ||
| Me and her mom, we talk to her all the time, and sure enough, she had those thoughts like suicide. | ||
| Is she staying in the room because school's closed, or has she always been like that? | ||
| She's always been like that. | ||
| Just to herself. | ||
| She just wants friends and stuff like that. | ||
| We try to tell her to go out and try to make friends and stuff like that. | ||
| With her, she want friends so bad that she's willing to pay for their friendship, you know, like give them money and just buy them gifts and stuff like that. | ||
| Try to tell her it's not the way to do it. | ||
| And so she's in a real bad place right now, so we're still trying to talk to her. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| Have you thought about getting her involved in something where she can meet people that are doing things she does? | ||
| Like some kind of either a sport or an activity? | ||
| Yeah, some type of art class. | ||
| Because she's a real good artist. | ||
| She liked the Japanese art. | ||
| She could really draw really good. | ||
| Like an anime? | ||
| Yeah, anime. | ||
| So we're trying to get her involved in something like that. | ||
| So, that's about the only issue with her. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| I think it's real hard for kids today with social media, too. | ||
| Social media. | ||
| There's a book called The Coddling of the American Mind by this guy named Jonathan Haidt. | ||
| And inside that book, he talks about how there's a spike in suicides and self-harm, particularly among girls, that's directly related to the invention of social media. | ||
| Because people are fucking assholes on social media. | ||
| And a lot of girls are comparing their life to other girls' lives and, you know, they're comparing their pictures to other girls' pictures when these girls' pictures are photoshopped and they're changing, they're doing what they did to your head and shrinking the heads and shrinking the bodies. | ||
| I mean, that's what they do. | ||
| And, you know, people look at other people and they feel like, they just feel like they're not as good. | ||
| It leads to a lot of bad things along with the bullying. | ||
| It leads to a lot of bad things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this is a thing I didn't know women do. | ||
| They go to stores and take pictures with purses and stuff like that, jewelry. | ||
| Then they go to the restroom and take pictures, make it seem like they brought all those things and come to find out they didn't. | ||
| And that's the thing that's trending right now in Houston. | ||
| They go to the Post Oak Hotel, and they got a lot of cool stuff over there, and they make it seem like they brought all this stuff, and they really didn't. | ||
| Yeah, it's so weird showing people all your shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a weird thing that people are doing today. | ||
| It's just social media has gotten everybody all fucked up, like, doing things for likes and doing things for attention. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then just paying attention to those likes, looking at it all day, checking to see what you got, you know? | ||
| I think you're doing it the right way. | ||
| Just show dudes jumping off roofs and shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Getting pulled into trucks. | ||
| At least it's real. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| How old are you now, Derek? | ||
| 36. How long do you think you're going to be fighting for, if you had to guess? | ||
| I would like to start fighting whenever I'm 40. That'd be great. | ||
| But after 40, it'd just be embarrassing after that. | ||
| It seems like the bigger fighters, they have a longer career, and you mature. | ||
| That's always the thing with heavyweight boxing, too, except for Tyson, of course. | ||
| But you mature later in life, and I think maybe bigger guys, they get more coordinated as they get older. | ||
| They get a better control of their body. | ||
| But look at Jan Bojovic. | ||
| He's 38, and he just won the title last year. | ||
| And there's a lot of top flight heavyweights that are in your age range. | ||
| Like DC, he won the title at 40, I believe. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It depends on my body. | ||
| I'm feeling pretty good right now. | ||
| My body's been feeling good ever since the surgery, so we just see. | ||
| But you've had so much success, and you've had this success because of your body and because of your hard work and the fights you've won. | ||
| For a guy like you, it's like, you gotta have that in your head. | ||
| Like, man, this is what I'm using to make my life amazing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| How much more time has this thing got? | ||
| The thing about with me, you watch my fights and it's like I really don't take that much damage. | ||
| I've been in real wars like JDS has been in or the other guys at the top has been in. | ||
| Stipe has been in a lot of wars and took a lot of damage. | ||
| I believe stuff like that will shorten your career quicker. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| How do you avoid taking damage? | ||
| I guess just go to Wayne's, look as scary as possible. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, being big helps and also I think your endurance helps too. | ||
| I think a lot of guys, one of the things that happens is they start fading and then they start getting beaten up. | ||
| Yeah, that's the thing too. | ||
| In my fights, I'm fighting with myself. | ||
| I'm not even really worried about my opponent. | ||
| I'm fighting with myself the whole time. | ||
| How so? | ||
| All right, don't do this. | ||
| Don't do this. | ||
| Okay, you can throw this punch, but how do you feel after you threw this punch? | ||
| All right, you got a little tired right there. | ||
| Okay, taking the time. | ||
| All right, you can throw right here. | ||
| Okay, see how you feel. | ||
| I'm trying not to get tired. | ||
| I'm fighting myself. | ||
| I'm trying not to get tired after every movement I do. | ||
| And so, okay, you're tired right now. | ||
| So, okay, wait, wait. | ||
| All right, wait till he clenched you. | ||
| Then he clenched you, then we probably could finish him right here. | ||
| Does that show you how important experience is? | ||
| Because that's what you learn. | ||
| Experience, yes. | ||
| Experience from day one. | ||
| My first amateur fight, I gasped real bad. | ||
| I gasped so bad I had to put my hands on my knees. | ||
| Even the guy that was walking towards me was hitting me because I was just so tired. | ||
| I wasn't even feeling the punches anymore. | ||
| So I didn't want to be in that situation anymore. | ||
| So now, but that seems like it's not just endurance, right? | ||
| It's knowing when to put on the gas and when to slow down, knowing your body, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Experience come into play. | ||
| I learned a lot, like, being in the UFC fighting all these different type of fighters. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Okay, they could have way more skills than me, and I feel like that if my endurance and conditioning is decent enough to finish the guy, no matter what round or how many seconds left in the fight, I should be okay. | ||
| Jamie, I'm going to send you something. | ||
| Is me reacting to him knocking out Volkov... | ||
| This is one of my favorite clips. | ||
| Because that knockout was so crazy. | ||
| We were in the middle. | ||
| Here it is right here. | ||
| I'm going to set it to you right now, Jamie. | ||
| Here, I just airdropped it to you. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| Why is it not working? | ||
| Alright, is it going through? | ||
| I've got two Jamie Vernons here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'll try both of them. | ||
| You got it? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that fight, to me, was a perfect example of one of the reasons why people love you. | ||
| It's because at any moment in the fight, you could end that shit. | ||
| And that was a fight where you were behind on the judges' scorecards, and we were just saying, it doesn't matter. | ||
| At any moment, Derek could knock him out. | ||
| That's the thing that's exciting about you. | ||
| But the UFC, because we go so crazy, the UFC's decided to put these cameras on us. | ||
| Give me some volume on this. | ||
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Look at everybody going crazy. | |
| I had to get up. | ||
| I had to stand up. | ||
| I couldn't take it. | ||
| That was so nuts. | ||
| My coach, my manager, my manager at home, he fainted. | ||
| Luke said he fainted. | ||
| He couldn't take it either no more. | ||
| Everyone was just so pumped about that. | ||
| And I heard that some police was called because my neighbors, our fans, was just going crazy after the fight. | ||
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| That was wild. | ||
| That was one of the best come-from-behind knockouts ever. | ||
| But it was wild, too, because we just got done saying, like, don't count him out. | ||
| At any moment, he could knock him out. | ||
| And then, boom, you catch him with a big punch and then drop him and then, boom, put him away. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| We went nuts. | ||
| I like whenever my coach said, okay, we got a minute left, 30 seconds left. | ||
| Then I'm like, okay, try the game. | ||
| So I have to let everything out. | ||
| A lot of my fights, I finished in the last few seconds of the fight. | ||
| So I like the weight, the last minute or last two minutes left to really show what I got left in my tank. | ||
| But that shows your hard work, that you can keep that power deep into the fight. | ||
| That means you did the work in the gym. | ||
| You still have the gas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was that your most satisfying knockout? | ||
| That was, yeah. | ||
| The crowd made it real satisfying because the way they reacted, you know, then seeing that one guy that played in the one movie, Groot? | ||
| What movie is that? | ||
| Guardians of the Galaxy? | ||
| Oh, Chris Pratt? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, he's a big fan. | ||
| Seeing his reaction, it was like, it made it all work well, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, no, that was a big one. | ||
| That was a big one. | ||
| I wish the fans was here for the Curtis fight. | ||
| I'm pretty sure they would have went crazy for that one too. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I screamed in my house. | ||
| I screamed in my house. | ||
| Every now and then in a fight, when I'm watching fights at home, I scream. | ||
| And then my wife has to realize I'm watching fights. | ||
| Because I'm by myself in the theater going, Oh! | ||
| Yeah, that was one that for sure would have got a giant reaction from the crowd. | ||
| Do you have a favorite moment as a fighter? | ||
| Or do you have so many knockouts? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have the most knockouts ever in the heavyweight division. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| Because I wasn't even really going for that. | ||
| My favorite one, it has to be Volkov. | ||
| Volkov. | ||
| Because I was telling my coaches in my camp before that fight, it's like, I'm fighting a Russian guy. | ||
| It'd be cool if I could get one of those Rocky-type fights. | ||
| And sure enough, it was a Rocky-type fight. | ||
| So crazy. | ||
| So crazy. | ||
| And it ended just like a Rocky movie. | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| My goodness, that was crazy. | ||
| Then like a few minutes before that, I hit him and he was saying that his mouthpiece was my mouthpiece. | ||
| I said, nah, that's not my mouthpiece. | ||
| I said, okay, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, that was that KO. Back up to the right hand again that drops him. | ||
| That shit was picture perfect. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| I mean, timing, distance, everything. | ||
| It was picture perfect. | ||
| And the fact that you did this deep into the fight, look at this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Does it feel surreal watching yourself? | ||
| Oh yeah, all the time. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| When you watch yourself on television, like, what goes through your head when you see something like this? | ||
| I'm like, man, I don't look that fat in person. | ||
| I don't look fat whenever I watch my highlight. | ||
| Like, when you see me in person, like... | ||
| You lost some weight? | ||
| No, I ain't losing no weight. | ||
| That's the TV. The problem is with Fox Sports. | ||
| Fox Sports. | ||
| ESPN, I think I look a little smaller now. | ||
| Fox Sports cameras make me look fat. | ||
| I think everybody thinks they look fat when they see themselves on television. | ||
| I think I look fat when I walk by a mirror. | ||
| I'm like, come on, really? | ||
| There's all this shit. | ||
| But, you know, if you do drop down to, you know, whatever you want to get to, to 240 or 200, maybe... | ||
| Maybe then you can see a little six-pack. | ||
| Yeah, then, you know, I walk around. | ||
| I walk around with no shirt, but now I don't like walking around with no shirt in front of my sons. | ||
| My boys, they always call me fat. | ||
| Because they got six-packs. | ||
| I make it seem like they don't bother me, but I'm going to cry in the room. | ||
| How do they feel about their dad being one of the baddest motherfuckers on earth? | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| They don't care? | ||
| Yeah, the neighbors in the backyard that lives behind us say, we know who your dad is. | ||
| Your dad is famous. | ||
| I heard my boys say something back to them, said that, we know, we don't care. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| I said, don't be mean to them. | ||
| They say they don't care, but they must care. | ||
| They have to. | ||
| They spoil, though. | ||
| My wife spoils them. | ||
| I try not to. | ||
| I try to give them lessons, make them earn everything that they get. | ||
| Did they have any interest in fighting themselves? | ||
| No. | ||
| They wanted to fight. | ||
| They wanted to box and put them in boxing class. | ||
| Now they're saying they don't want to get punched, so they don't want to do that and play soccer. | ||
| I said, okay, cool, play soccer. | ||
| I don't want them to fight either. | ||
| I don't want them to play football. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Football may be worse, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Concussions and stuff like that. | ||
| Did you feel like that when you were playing football, that it was more dangerous than finding? | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| That's all I wanted to do is play football. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if you had your way to go back, you would have done that instead? | ||
| Yeah, I would have played football, yeah. | ||
| That was my number one sport. | ||
| You enjoy it more? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially being in this situation and playing football, it was a team sport, so I could really blame, okay, it wasn't my fault. | ||
| It was the defensive tackle fault or the linebacker fault. | ||
| But now, there's so much pressure on myself, like, okay... | ||
| If I lose this fight, it's really all on me. | ||
| Yeah, but if you win this fight, it's really all you. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If somebody else scores a touchdown and you win, you're like, eh. | ||
| But if you knock a motherfucker out like you did Volkov... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's you? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| I mean, listen, man. | ||
| You have more knockouts than any heavyweight in the history of the sport. | ||
| It was giving me goosebumps just hearing that. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| Because I watched, like, the highlights of Randy Couture. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Seen his highlights and all, like, Shane Carlin and stuff like that. | ||
| The guys that was really knocking on everybody back then. | ||
| It's like, for me, the past them is, like, so crazy. | ||
| Pass to everybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is there any fighter from the past that you wish you were in the same era as them so you could have fought them? | ||
| I guess you'd say Kimbo. | ||
| Because everybody, like before I even got into UFC, they was asking me... | ||
| You think you'll fight Kimbo? | ||
| I'm like, yeah, I will fight him. | ||
| And just like, everyone still asks me that. | ||
| And they don't even know Kimbo passed away already. | ||
| People that don't know anything about fighting really still ask me, do you think you'll fight Kimbo one day? | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| Hope not. | ||
| He was an interesting case, right? | ||
| Because he became famous from the internet. | ||
| One of the rare guys that became famous from street fights from the internet. | ||
| I believe that's when YouTube came around too. | ||
| That's when it really got popular because everyone was trying to go watch fights. | ||
| That's all you could really do back then, YouTube, is watch fights. | ||
| Yeah, YouTube was in its infancy back then, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There wasn't much going on on YouTube. | ||
| Everybody just watched YouTube because of fights. | ||
| I didn't really know anything else to do on YouTube but to watch street fights. | ||
| I admire that Kimbo went from that with no real experience in grappling or kicking or anything and then took a chance and fought in the UFC. I mean, that took a lot of courage. | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I was a big fan of his back then. | ||
| He was famous when he got into the Ultimate Fighter and really didn't have a lot of experience in MMA. I mean, fought a little bit in Elite XE, but, you know, relatively small amount of experience in martial arts, really. | ||
| Just really had good hands. | ||
| Yeah, I believe his career is similar to almost mine's. | ||
| I started following him back then too as well because I felt like the same way. | ||
| People treat me the same way as well. | ||
| What do you think of this bare knuckle boxing that's going on now? | ||
| I couldn't do it. | ||
| I pray I'll never be in that situation where I have to be going in there and fighting financially to be going against guys like bare knuckle boxing and stuff like that. | ||
| It just looks so painful. | ||
| Yeah, you get cut up. | ||
| A lot of guys get cut up. | ||
| Yeah, I'm already an ugly guy, so I can't really... | ||
| Can't go in there like that. | ||
| Did you see the cut that Chris Lieben got in his fight? | ||
| Chris Lieben... | ||
| See, Chris Lieben versus... | ||
| What is his name? | ||
| Dakota... | ||
| Dakota Johnson? | ||
| Is that his name? | ||
| He fought this guy and he had this, like, an axe wound on his forehead. | ||
| Like, people don't realize, like, how much... | ||
| Yeah, look at this. | ||
| Yeah, seriously. | ||
| People don't realize, like, how much guys get cut open from just the bones of the knuckles. | ||
| I used to wonder, I used to think that... | ||
| Oh yeah, Knight. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Jason Knight got fucked up too. | ||
| And Artem Lobov. | ||
| Look at his face too. | ||
| The goat. | ||
| Yeah, both these guys. | ||
| Both these guys, their face is just destroyed. | ||
| It's so crazy that they legalized that though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But is it... | ||
| Because you can elbow a guy in the face. | ||
| You can elbow in that? | ||
| No, but in MMA. And elbows slice people open too. | ||
| But it just seems like you get sliced open more in this. | ||
| I just think it's crazy that Paige Van Zant's in it. | ||
| Yeah, that was crazy. | ||
| As pretty as she is? | ||
| I think she got paid a few million for that. | ||
| Did she really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| If they came around for a few million, would you think about doing it? | ||
| Of course, yes. | ||
| That's the problem, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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How much are you getting paid for a big fight in the UFC? I don't know. | |
| You're not allowed to say it? | ||
| Yeah, because the way they set the pay up right now, it's like... | ||
| I get it. | ||
| No need to discuss it. | ||
| It's pretty good, though. | ||
| Obviously, you got a Ferrari, a Lamborghini, and a McLaren. | ||
| You live in a big house. | ||
| You're doing great. | ||
| But I guess with Paige, she just wants to do it anyway and show everybody she's not just pretty. | ||
| I thought she was just pretty. | ||
| I watched the highlights of her last fight. | ||
| She did pretty good. | ||
| She's tough. | ||
| She's tough. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| But I guess it makes sense if they're willing to pay her that amount of money. | ||
| The money talks. | ||
| But there's a lot of fighters that are leaving the UFC, you know, at the end of their career, and then going over and transferring into bare-knuckle boxing. | ||
| But you just, you know... | ||
| I'm just hopeful that, you know, like, Bellator, PFL, and all the other leagues that's out there are really paying this good, like I'm hearing. | ||
| Yeah, I hope that there's more competition like that, that fighters can negotiate against, you know. | ||
| If it wasn't for them, then it would be like, the negotiation would be harder for fighters. | ||
| So it's good that they're around. | ||
| Yeah, it is good that they're around. | ||
| It's good that they're willing to make big bids on fighters that they think are worthwhile. | ||
| Guys like Mousasi, Ryan Bader, all these guys that are going over to Bellator and... | ||
| You need competition. | ||
| It was really strong when the UFC had pride against them, and pride was gigantic. | ||
| Pride was as big as the UFC at one point in time, and it was a real legitimate competition. | ||
| And when the UFC bought pride for the longest time, there really wasn't much competition. | ||
| There was Strikeforce at the time, and the UFC bought Strikeforce. | ||
| It's not good for the fighters. | ||
| It's not good for the business either. | ||
| It's better for everybody. | ||
| Look at boxing. | ||
| You've got all these different promotions. | ||
| You've got Mayweather. | ||
| You've got Bob Arum. | ||
| You've got Eddie Hearn. | ||
| You've got all these different promoters. | ||
| That one guy that wears his dresses. | ||
| Who's that? | ||
| Thelahoya. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| Golden boy. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| Cocaine. | ||
| That's what old Dana called him. | ||
| Cocaine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The one guy that wears the dresses. | ||
| I don't even think he was wearing dresses. | ||
| He was wearing fishnets and high heels and shit. | ||
| I think it was a dress too. | ||
| Cocaine's a hell of a drug. | ||
| It's a hell of a drug. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what I heard. | ||
| Get you wearing fishnets. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Woo! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Some Russian broad set him up. | ||
| Took the pictures. | ||
| She just wanted to push him. | ||
| Put him out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She must have had some good good. | ||
| She was hot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She got him to wear the stockings. | ||
| I want you to do this for me, Oscar. | ||
|
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Put on fishnets for me. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Fishnets. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| What kind of conversation do you have before you put on those shoes and you pose with the boxing gloves? | ||
| I mean, what kind of crazy shit did he say? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What's up, Jamie? | ||
|
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It's actually both. | |
| There's another picture. | ||
| I don't know if that matters a whole lot. | ||
| Oh, the dress? | ||
| There's a girl. | ||
| Let me see. | ||
| Zoom in on her. | ||
| Woo! | ||
| Look at him. | ||
| Is she nice? | ||
| Yeah, I don't... | ||
| Yeah, look at his eyes. | ||
|
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He's on another dimension right now. | |
| Coked out of his mind, wearing a tutu, dancing around her apartment. | ||
| She's snapping Polaroids. | ||
| Like, what the fuck? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, he's an interesting character. | ||
| But I guess he still promotes fights. | ||
| He doesn't promote Canelo anymore. | ||
| Him and Canelo had a big falling out. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I didn't know anything about Canelo until he fought Mayweather. | ||
| But he's a good fighter. | ||
| He's phenomenal. | ||
| Yeah, he's phenomenal. | ||
| Do you follow boxing? | ||
| A little. | ||
| A little bit? | ||
| Just really like the heavyweights, someone that's entertaining. | ||
| I really don't keep track of him that much. | ||
| What do you think about all the shit that's going on with Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua and Andy Ruiz? | ||
| There's a lot of good fighters right now in the heavyweight division. | ||
| It's an exciting time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| The bronze bomber or whatever? | ||
| Deontay Wilder. | ||
| The Wilder, yeah. | ||
| It's crazy that he's not calling out Fury right now. | ||
| He want to fight someone else. | ||
| He's trying to fight Andy Ruiz. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's the latest. | ||
| I would be calling out Fury again. | ||
| It's 1-1 already, so for him to go away from that, it don't look right. | ||
| It doesn't look right. | ||
| No, there was a lot going on with that fight. | ||
| I don't know if you know, but he came up with a bunch of crazy excuses. | ||
| Yeah, I was hearing the excuse every few months. | ||
| The suit was too heavy. | ||
| Someone poisoned his water. | ||
| Yes, water was poisoned. | ||
| He thinks Mark Breland... | ||
| Like, had some sort of a deal to sabotage him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why he threw in the towel. | ||
| And Trump lost the election, and South Park episode was supposed to be canceled. | ||
| Well, he thought that Tyson Fury had an egg weight in his glove. | ||
| Egg weight. | ||
| And he also thought that the glove was not attached correctly. | ||
| He thought that he wasn't hitting him with the padded part of the glove, that the glove was pushed further up on his hand so that his knuckles were hitting the wrist area. | ||
| That's where his knuckles were. | ||
| And it's crazy. | ||
| There's all these videos detailing how Tyson Fury... | ||
| Conspiracy, yeah. | ||
| It's so stupid. | ||
| Because they don't understand what Tyson does. | ||
| He does this kind of shit with his hands. | ||
| And if you catch this, if you do it as a photo or in slow motion, it looks weird. | ||
| But it's because he's showing you this and then dropping the right hand. | ||
| And that's what he does. | ||
| That's always what he's done. | ||
| If you watch that, it's in all of his fights. | ||
| But he also can do this. | ||
| They're gloves. | ||
| He's got gloves on. | ||
| He's wearing the gloves right. | ||
| He fucked you up. | ||
| It's just a fight. | ||
| And it sucks because I like Deontay and I'm a big fan. | ||
| I think he's probably the most exciting one-punch knockout artist in the history of the heavyweight division. | ||
| He knocks guys out. | ||
| He hits them on the forehead and they go to sleep. | ||
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It's crazy. | |
| He's got crazy power. | ||
| It's just sad when a guy is used to winning. | ||
| Only winning. | ||
| And then loses one fight and doesn't say, hey, he was a better man. | ||
| Back to the drawing board. | ||
| I'm going to figure out what I did wrong. | ||
| Instead, he's got crazy excuses. | ||
| Like, there's a weight in his glove, and I was poisoned, and the vest was too heavy. | ||
| Like Conor McGregor, he has a lot of excuses as well. | ||
| In the last fight? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, he had legitimate excuses. | ||
| Like, Dustin Poirier did fuck up his leg, and he said he wasn't ready for that. | ||
| And he also said he was training for Manny Pacquiao. | ||
| But he also said at least that Dustin was the better man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was the better man that night. | ||
| And he wants immediately to do it again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which I respect. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to be a good fight. | ||
| I like Conor. | ||
| I like watching him fight. | ||
| I like hearing him talk, see what he got to say. | ||
| It's interesting how valuable personality is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, think about that guy. | ||
| Obviously, he's had some spectacular fights, the Jose Aldo fight, Eddie Alvarez fight, and he's done, he had some amazing knockouts. | ||
| But it's also, a lot of it is personality. | ||
| His personality is so valuable, because people want to watch him fight. | ||
| They just want to watch. | ||
| Yeah, he's crazy, though. | ||
| He always has me laughing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just feel sorry for those little guys, though. | ||
| Like, having to go to press conference to talk. | ||
| Like, you can't really say anything. | ||
| Yeah, he talks so much shit. | ||
| He's so good at it. | ||
| Him fighting Cowboy, and he was talking shit to Cowboy before the fight. | ||
| I'm like... | ||
| I feel bad for Cowboy because he didn't really say anything to him. | ||
| Conor be on his shit though. | ||
| Well, Conor's just too good at it. | ||
| He's just much better at talking shit. | ||
| The best example to me was the Jose Aldo fight. | ||
| Because Jose Aldo... | ||
| He wasn't used to it. | ||
| Not at all. | ||
| Everybody respected him. | ||
| Most of his opponents respected him. | ||
| Because he was the greatest featherweight champion of all time at that point. | ||
| And to have Conor just talking mad shit for months and months. | ||
| And they went on a world tour. | ||
| So they did a press conference after press conference. | ||
| And Conor's just talking mad shit. | ||
| And then knocks him out with one punch. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I guess we've kind of seen that too. | ||
| Try to get under his skin. | ||
| Guys from Brazil try to get under his skin. | ||
| He's not used to it. | ||
| He just knew that he was going to try to come in and try to take his head out because he built up so much hate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it worked. | ||
| His game plan worked. | ||
| Yeah, but it backfired against Khabib. | ||
| Oh yeah, Khabib. | ||
| Because when Khabib was on top of him beating the fuck out of him going, let's talk now. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| Let's talk now. | ||
| Man, I would be so mad about that. | ||
| For the fighter ever. | ||
| He'd probably have to catch me in the parking lot. | ||
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Yeah, Khabib's an interesting character, isn't he? | |
| He's good. | ||
| He's the best lightweight of all time, for sure. | ||
| 29-0. | ||
| Maybe he lost one or two rounds his whole career. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Those rounds, it's not like he lost in a big way. | ||
| He was just kind of coasting. | ||
| To me, I go into a fight not even worrying about trying to win the round. | ||
| I'm trying to win the fight. | ||
| I'm not even trying to make it to a decision. | ||
| Do you ever think about decisions? | ||
| Do you ever think about scoring points? | ||
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No. | |
| You're just trying to knock people out. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| Maybe that's why you have the most knockouts ever. | ||
| That's what I'm going for. | ||
| I'm trying to just finish them. | ||
| I'm not trying to go to the decision. | ||
| It's weird going to the decision. | ||
| I'm always shocked. | ||
| Every time I win the decision, I'm like... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Banging my chest. | ||
| It's always so weird though. | ||
| I never have a good feeling and decision. | ||
| It's funny because most people, that's the majority of their wins. | ||
| But it's the opposite. | ||
| Yeah, it's so weird. | ||
| Have you always had that kind of power? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What do you attribute that to? | ||
| Is it from... | ||
| Probably my father. | ||
| My dad, my mom said my dad used to be like that in the streets and stuff like that, knocking everyone out. | ||
| I believe that's where it's from. | ||
| Most of it, maybe from my anger, just built up. | ||
| Just wanted to rip somebody's head off. | ||
| Well, power's a weird thing, right? | ||
| It's like you either have it or you don't. | ||
| You can get stronger, you can hit a little harder, but to have the kind of power like you do, you can't train that. | ||
| You either have it or you don't. | ||
| Yeah, some of the boxers, they seem like they have a lot of power, but whenever you see them start, not boxers, basketball players, they come to the gym, like a couple of the Rockets come to the gym, like James Harden came to the gym. | ||
| And you see them hitting pads, it's like there's no power behind their punches. | ||
| You know, they're big guys, big strong-looking guys. | ||
| It's like they're pitty-patting whenever they hit the mitts. | ||
| I mean, they're trying to hit it as hard as they can, and they just can't. | ||
| Yeah, it's a weird thing. | ||
| You either have it or you don't. | ||
| You know, I don't know, you know, I don't think they've ever figured it out either. | ||
| I don't think there's like, I know that like, there's the size of your fists, the width of your shoulders, the size of your shoulders, there's a lot of things along that, but it's also, you either have it or you don't. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I believe, yeah. | ||
| I don't think there's anything like it. | ||
| For athletes in any other sport, you can get stronger, you can lift weights, you can get more powerful, but just in terms of striking power, I just think your body's either designed for it or not. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| I feel like I'm living like a simulator. | ||
| Simulation? | ||
| Simulation. | ||
| It's like whoever picked me, it's like, okay, You know, they do speed, do grappling or whatever, and they put strength all the way up. | ||
| And they spent everything on strength and power. | ||
| And so it's just like my life just feels like a simulator. | ||
| I think you have those things, but I think it's also your mind. | ||
| Like, you stay calm in there, and you find ways to win. | ||
| And there's moments in fights where guys get overwhelmed by chaos, but when I watch you fight, you find ways to win. | ||
| You're always seeing through all the bullshit, looking for a way to win. | ||
| Yeah, like I said, I'm talking to myself the whole time I'm fighting. | ||
| I'm like, okay, we gotta slow down right here. | ||
| We gotta keep going. | ||
| It's like, they could hit me a thousand times, and I'm like, I'm still the same. | ||
| Like, you can't really rock my spirit with them. | ||
| Now, where does that come from? | ||
| Have you ever worked with a mental coach? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think I had got a hold of some bad weed in high school, so maybe so. | ||
| No, I don't know where it come from. | ||
| Just always been you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you think it's just from getting through tough times in life? | ||
| I believe so as well to going through some pretty bad situations and coming out of them. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| If I made it, you know, how some people like pray to God and say, man, if I ever get out of this situation right here, then I ain't gonna never do that no more. | ||
| So I believe it's stuff like that. | ||
| I think also when you go through those bad situations, Being inside the Octagon is not as bad. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The fight's going to be over in three rounds and you'll go on with your life. | ||
| I compare... | ||
| I see my grandfather battle with cancer and stuff like that. | ||
| I knew how tough he was. | ||
| To see him go through all that pain and suffering that he did the last few months that he was here. | ||
| It was like, man... | ||
| If I could just go through this, whatever I'm going through right now in life, if I could just go through this for 15 minutes, 25 minutes, then I should be alright. | ||
| But my grandfather had to deal with that pain every day, all day. | ||
| The suffering that he went through. | ||
| And, you know, I knew how tough he was. | ||
| And for him to be calling out for me to help him do certain things, like to help him go to the restroom or get some water, even for him just to sit up. | ||
| And I just knew it was just real tough on him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, seeing something like that puts it all in perspective, right? | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Now, after the Curtis Blades knockout, where does the UFC have you lined up? | ||
| Are they telling you, hey, we want you to face the winner of this fight, or we want you to face Jon Jones? | ||
| I think what they're saying now is they want Jon to face the winner of Francis versus Stipe. | ||
| Do you know where that leaves you? | ||
| They didn't say anything, really. | ||
| Right now we're just trying to renegotiate the contract and see where it goes from there. | ||
| For me, I want to stay active. | ||
| I don't want to be waiting around to fight anyone. | ||
| I'm not young like I used to, so I don't really want to wait around and fight for the title or wait around to fight on a certain opponent. | ||
| I'm willing to fight anyone who's ready. | ||
| So do you think that it's better for you to stay active because you fight better when you're active, when you fight more often? | ||
| No, I don't think that's the case. | ||
| It's just that I know I have my window of time is closing. | ||
| To make money. | ||
| To make money, yeah. | ||
| So I don't have that much time left, so I just want to make money, not just sit around and wait. | ||
| So who's left, though? | ||
| Overeem's gone. | ||
| Junior's gone. | ||
| You knocked out Volkov. | ||
| You knocked out Curtis. | ||
| You know, like, who makes sense in that heavyweight division to you right now? | ||
| Other than John, Stipe, and Francis. | ||
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Um... | |
| Rosenstreich or what? | ||
| Rosenstreich, yeah. | ||
| Rosenstreich or, I guess, Gane? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Gane or whatever his name? | ||
| Cyril Gane, yeah. | ||
| Who just beat Rosenstreich. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whoever. | ||
| Whoever I haven't fought yet in the top ten. | ||
| I'm glad they're not talking about that one guy anymore. | ||
| I'm bad with names. | ||
| I don't care who you are. | ||
| I'm terrible with names. | ||
| Which guy? | ||
| The guy that beat his wife. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Travis Brown? | ||
| The black guy. | ||
| Who's that? | ||
| Greg Hardy. | ||
| Oh, Greg Hardy. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I'm glad they not asked me to fight him anymore. | ||
| Did they really ask you to fight him? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he was just starting. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| They've been trying to get us to fight for a few years now. | ||
| And is he released from the UFC? Did they release him after his fight? | ||
| Oh, I don't know. | ||
| Because he got stopped by a Marcin Tibura, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's who it was. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a CBD drink. | ||
| It's good for you. | ||
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No THC. Oh, okay. | |
| That's got my face on it, too. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| That's me. | ||
| How'd it feel? | ||
| How'd it feel to have your face on certain products? | ||
| Uh, weird. | ||
| Not as weird as people tattooing my face on them. | ||
| Yeah, that is weird. | ||
| Especially when there's a dude, huh? | ||
| Yeah, there's a lot of dudes. | ||
| Yeah, I know of one lady who got my face tattooed on her. | ||
| She's very pretty. | ||
| Where'd she put it at? | ||
| Uh, right next to her. | ||
| How do your wife feel about that? | ||
| She doesn't know until now. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| Look, I didn't ask the lady. | ||
| What kind of facial expressions she put on there, though? | ||
| Just a regular picture. | ||
| Just a regular picture of my face. | ||
| Yeah, I didn't ask her to. | ||
| I don't know her. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta say that now. | ||
| I don't know her. | ||
| I don't know her. | ||
| She's just a lady who put my face on her leg. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| It'd be cool if a woman do that to me. | ||
| I'm sure they have. | ||
| You probably just don't know about it. | ||
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There's probably one listening right now going, now I know my next tattoo. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's a new one, yeah. | ||
| That's me with a UFO and some asteroids. | ||
| It's amazing how good tattoo artists are now. | ||
| Like, that looks like a fucking photograph. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| Like, they got the pores in my face and the gray in my beard and everything. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| Stoned out of your mind. | ||
| Stoned out of my mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's been a lot of those. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How did we get to that? | ||
| Oh, the CBD drink. | ||
| So we're talking about the Greg Hardy fight. | ||
| Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me that they were trying to do that. | ||
| Unless they're trying to set Greg Hardy up with someone who's got a lot more experience than him. | ||
| No, it was really the... | ||
| He fought Volkov. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Greg Hardy fought Volkov, and he fought well. | ||
| He fought Volkov after I fought Volkov. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He fought well. | ||
| I was impressed. | ||
| Like, when you think of how little experience that guy has in MMA, that he went three hard rounds with Volkov. | ||
| I thought that was impressive. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Other than that, he seemed like an okay guy. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know him. | ||
| I don't know him. | ||
| Seems like an okay guy. | ||
| So, there's no one that stands out as a potential opponent for you in the heavyweight division? | ||
| No. | ||
| So, whoever want to fight, just let's go. | ||
| Holler at your boy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you just sit around and just wait for the phone call, right? | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So, we... | ||
| We would like to do some grappling tournaments with Chell Sonnen. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Oh, you're going to do Submission Underground? | ||
| Yeah, we were supposed to do it in December, but the UFC said no because they might have me fighting again in December. | ||
| And this was before I was supposed to fight Curtis the first time. | ||
| And I'm like, if my fight is going to be in November, already fighting Curtis, why I can't do a match right there in December? | ||
| Usually, no matter how fast of a knockout that I would land. | ||
| And so we kind of knew something was up with Curtis. | ||
| We kind of figured that maybe he's sick or it's something the USC is hiding. | ||
| So sure enough that the day before the fight, he got tested positive for COVID. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
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You never got COVID? Not that I know of. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| If I'm sneezing or coughing or my feet itching, I'm thinking it's COVID. I don't know. | ||
| They coming up with new symptoms every week, so you never know what you got now. | ||
| So, when you have a big knockout, like the Curtis Blades knockout, does the UFC, do they talk to you afterwards? | ||
| They say, that was impressive, this is what we want to do with you. | ||
| What do they say? | ||
| I got a FaceTime from Dana afterwards. | ||
| You know, he talked pretty good. | ||
| You know, I'm just leaving at that. | ||
| You talk pretty good? | ||
| Yeah, he talked pretty good of me during the FaceTime and said some other stuff too, but I'm going to leave it at that. | ||
| Okay, I understand. | ||
| You don't want to divulge any information? | ||
| Not yet. | ||
| They have to be happy with that. | ||
| Oh yeah, it was cool. | ||
| I think there's two... | ||
| Super impressive one-punch knockouts in the heavyweight division. | ||
| There's Francis knocking out Alistair and you knocking out Curtis. | ||
| I think those are the top two of all time. | ||
| I can't imagine a better knockout than that uppercut. | ||
| The noise that he was making afterwards. | ||
| I don't know if you heard the noise. | ||
| I heard it, yeah. | ||
| That reminded me of a fight I had in high school. | ||
| It was at CC's. | ||
| A guy was talking trash, kept bumping me. | ||
| It was a rival school we just finished playing a scrimmage football game against. | ||
| And we was all sitting at the table eating pizza. | ||
| And their school came in. | ||
| And the guy just kept elbowing me in the back of my head, like bumping me every time he walked by. | ||
| I thought he was messing with me at first, like playing around, because I knew him since elementary. | ||
| But he was serious, and he's like, what's up? | ||
| And he stood in the middle of the floor, just cussing me out and stuff like that. | ||
| And as soon as somebody cuts me out like that, I'm like, I already think it's something hostile. | ||
| And so I said, okay, what's up? | ||
| And just walked to them and just laid them out right there. | ||
| And you just start catching a seizure and making the same noise Curtis was making. | ||
| And I was like, damn, maybe about to die or something. | ||
| And so what we learned that if they turned their wrists inwards, that means they about to die, that their body is shutting down. | ||
| But if they turn it Like the way Curtis was, then you're good. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| There's a certain way, like whenever a guy gets stiff, if the wrists turn outwards, that means the body is shutting down. | ||
| And if the wrists, if they keep their arms like this, that means they're going to be okay. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| You sure that's not more of a he-okay shit? | ||
| Ha ha ha! | ||
| Well, I told y'all he's okay because he had his thumb up and all that. | ||
| That was so fucked up. | ||
| That was so fucked up when you made that post. | ||
| He's okay. | ||
| He's got the thumbs up as he's going down. | ||
| Yeah, and his wrist was good. | ||
| Yeah, look into that. | ||
| I've never heard of anything like that. | ||
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Jamie? | |
| Yeah, Jamie will find it. | ||
| So, I don't wonder why that is. | ||
| That means the body is shutting down. | ||
| You can't survive from it, really. | ||
| The other way, it's like survival mode of your body. | ||
| So, from that street fight, that's when you learned that? | ||
| No, I just learned that a few hours ago from my coach. | ||
| Yeah, it's uncomfortable watching someone out cold snoring. | ||
| But whenever a guy talking trash, you know, it could happen to me. | ||
| It was just no other better feeling. | ||
| I'm glad it happened. | ||
| I'm glad he's okay, though. | ||
| You seem so calm afterwards, though. | ||
| Yeah, but in my head, I'm like, damn, that was cool. | ||
| I'm serious. | ||
| That's what I was thinking. | ||
| But you just stayed calm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As crazy as things are now, you had one shot at the heavyweight title. | ||
| You lost to DC. What was that fight like? | ||
| To me, I felt like I was in the best shape in my career. | ||
| Even though I came in with the knee problems. | ||
| It didn't really bother me until he started taking me down. | ||
| And I started hobbling on my knee. | ||
| Then I had the problem. | ||
| But other than that, I felt the shape, my conditioning, everything was on point. | ||
| And I really felt like I was going to win that fight. | ||
| He's a hell of a wrestler. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, you look at that guy's career. | ||
| I mean, pretty fucking amazing. | ||
| The only guys he's lost to is Stipe and Jon Jones. | ||
| You know, won the Strikeforce Heavyweight Grand Prix, and he's an undersized heavyweight. | ||
| Won the heavyweight title, defended it, knocked out Stipe, who's, on paper, the greatest of all time. | ||
| I mean, you look at Stipe's accomplishments... | ||
| Now, going from that, what did you get out of that? | ||
| Like, what did you learn that you would apply if you fought for the title again? | ||
| That I had to get surgery. | ||
| And we was already talking to the USC trying to get surgery done before I took the JDS fight. | ||
| And so they had me going to the doctors and stuff like that. | ||
| They really get x-rays and MRIs and stuff done on my knee before the JDS fight. | ||
| And they knew that everything was messed up. | ||
| But we also wanted to still get that taste out of our mouth from losing to DC. And it ended up still backfiring fighting JDS. So I ended up doing the surgery after the JDS fight. | ||
| So after that, then you feel like you're a different person? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| After that, then I felt like I could really do more in the octagon and move around and just have my conditioning way better. | ||
| Going three rounds, it was just a completely different fighter then. | ||
| So how would you feel now if the UFC says you're going to get a shot at the title? | ||
| How much time do you think you need to prepare for that? | ||
| How much time I need to prepare for a title fight? | ||
| Maybe six months. | ||
| Six months? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| But it'll just be 25 minutes. | ||
| It all depends on who the opponent is. | ||
| If the opponent is going to be a wrestler, I feel like I'm going to have to get my conditioning pretty good. | ||
| At least eight weeks. | ||
| If I'm fighting Francis, I believe like four or five weeks. | ||
| Four or five weeks for Francis? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Is that a fight that you'd want to do again because of the first fight? | ||
| Yes, for sure. | ||
| Got to get that. | ||
| Got to do that again. | ||
| If you had that choice? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| If you had your choice, that would be the fight that you would get next? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe, I mean, who knows what's going to happen with him and Stipe. | ||
| It's just, it's got to be a weird situation for you because Jon Jones is waiting in the wings for a shot of the title and then there's a title fight in two weeks. | ||
| So at the minimum, you're waiting a few months. | ||
| Yeah, that's the only thing about it. | ||
| I don't want to wait. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's like Rosenstreich, Steril gone. | ||
| Those are the two guys. | ||
| And I guess it's got to be Steril gone because Rosenstreich lost. | ||
| He lost the last fight. | ||
| Yeah, it all depends. | ||
| I don't know how the UFC want to build up the Sir Gun guy or if they want to throw him in there in the mix right away. | ||
| So we'll see. | ||
| Did you watch that fight? | ||
| It was not the most eventful fight. | ||
| Yeah, I started getting tagged in the fights only because they were saying that it still wasn't worse than Francis and Louis' fight. | ||
| I'm like, damn, okay, shit. | ||
| Yeah, but it was five rounds, right? | ||
| That was a five-rounder. | ||
| Oh, that's bad. | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't the most eventful fight, but Cyril Ghosn fought smart, just moved around a lot, stayed on the outside, clinched some, and just avoided big shots. | ||
| He's a big dude, though, Cyril Ghosn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Big, powerful heavyweight. | ||
| It's interesting to see at least some new talent in the division, whether it's Rosenstreich or Cyril Ghosn. | ||
| You know, out of all the divisions, the heavyweight division, it's hard to get big, powerful guys. | ||
| Natural heavyweight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I guess the The couple of heavyweights that was on my card in the last fight, they look pretty decent. | ||
| Who's that? | ||
| I don't know their names. | ||
| I'm terrible at names. | ||
| They won. | ||
| One of the guys fought Orlowski. | ||
| Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. | ||
| You know his name? | ||
| Yes, yes, yes. | ||
| The English fella. | ||
| He's very good. | ||
| Yeah, he needs more experience, but Jesus Christ, why can't I remember his name? | ||
| Don't help him out, Jamie. | ||
| The guy who just fought Andre Orlowski. | ||
| Tom Aspinall. | ||
| Is that how you say his last name? | ||
| He's very good. | ||
| Very fast. | ||
| Isn't that his name? | ||
| Andre Olovsky's last opponent. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I think it's pronounced Aspinall. | ||
| He's an English gentleman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's very good. | ||
| Very fast. | ||
| He's got a lot of potential. | ||
| But, you know, he's a young guy, and I think he's like 24 or 25 or something like that, and he's, you know, on his way up. | ||
| I don't think they'd have him fight you right away like that. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I'm just saying, the future of the heavyweight division is pretty good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you see yourself being a champ one day? | ||
| Or is it too crazy to think about? | ||
| That's what I say. | ||
| It's crazy to even think about. | ||
| It'd be cool if I can, you know, but... | ||
| You know, I wouldn't be bummed that I couldn't, you know, achieve that goal. | ||
| But if you could achieve that goal. | ||
| If I could, it'd be cool, yeah. | ||
| Really couldn't tell me anything by then. | ||
| Even my kids, I wouldn't care if they'd tease me walking around the house with no shirt on. | ||
| Just walk around, that belt would cover your belly. | ||
| Just put that big-ass belt on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you have a really interesting opportunity in this life. | ||
| You're at a rare position. | ||
| Very few human beings ever get to where you're at. | ||
| Yeah, go through what I went through to get to where I'm at. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's crazy to think about. | ||
| So crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I can only imagine. | ||
| And it's fun to watch you, man. | ||
| You're one of my favorite guys to watch. | ||
| Because anything can happen at any moment. | ||
| Yeah, at any given moment. | ||
| Like the Curtis Blades fight or the Volkov fight or a lot of your fights. | ||
| At any moment, you could drop a hammer on somebody and it's over. | ||
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| The next fight, whoever it's going to be, I believe I'll be in real great shape for the fight. | ||
| So it's going to be, it all depends on the type of shape I'm in with each fight. | ||
| And I believe I want to be in better shape than I ever been. | ||
| And so with me going into a fight like thinking like, okay, I'm in great shape, I can go ahead and go for the finish in the first few minutes. | ||
| So you're looking at your career right now, it's like this is kind of the home stretch, you know, the last five, six years or so, or whatever you got left. | ||
| For sure, yeah. | ||
| So you want to go out with a bang. | ||
| Out with a bang, yeah. | ||
| Do you have any idea what you want to do after you're done fighting? | ||
| A lot of people say I should do acting, comedy and stuff like that. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I really just want to just sit back and collect checks and real estate and stuff like that. | ||
| Something more easier. | ||
| Yeah, but you're a funny dude. | ||
| Nah, nah. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| You don't think so at all? | ||
| No. | ||
| Whenever I'm drunk, yeah, I think I'm hilarious when I'm drunk. | ||
| Just stay drunk. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, real estate investment. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's a good move. | ||
| That's what we're doing now. | ||
| That's a good move. | ||
| We got a few houses. | ||
| Well, especially Texas. | ||
| Texas is hot right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a good place to buy houses. | ||
| Yeah, real cheap. | ||
| Except for Austin. | ||
| Austin is probably the... | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's crazy here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All the tech people are moving here. | ||
| They're fucking everything up. | ||
| And then me. | ||
| I fucked it up, too. | ||
| Moving here. | ||
| I'm bringing it to all the comedians. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've seen the prices around. | ||
| We wanted to do something around the lake, like Austin or whatever. | ||
| But we've seen the prices of it. | ||
| It's like, damn. | ||
| Not even an acre. | ||
| It's over a million dollars. | ||
| I'm like, nah, that's all right. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous here. | ||
| But it's because it's a great place to live. | ||
| Not downtown, though. | ||
| Now the homeless people. | ||
| Yeah, they gotta clean that up. | ||
| I don't know what to do about that, though. | ||
| It's like the episode of South Park. | ||
| Like, got any change? | ||
| Change? | ||
| Like, everywhere you go, in the grocery store, they ask for change. | ||
| I'm like, damn... | ||
| This is nothing compared to LA. If you go to LA right now, it's like a zombie movie. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| People have camped out everywhere, all throughout LA. You see tents on the streets. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| It's sad. | ||
| Because there's so many people that are out of houses. | ||
| This is their only option. | ||
| They don't know what to do. | ||
| COVID and the pandemic and the lockdowns just killed so many businesses. | ||
| It's fucked. | ||
| I mean, I don't know how to fix it, but it's... | ||
| It's not a good sign when a society is that fucked up that you've got people camping on their sidewalks. | ||
| I don't want to be in charge of having to handle something like that. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it's going to be a tough job. | ||
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Do you think you could run for office? | |
| If they pay me good, I would. | ||
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Would you? | |
| Yeah, I'd be like Kanye West. | ||
| Mayor of Houston? | ||
| Yeah, I'd be like, okay, take some donations. | ||
| We need some sponsorships. | ||
| Go ahead and take everybody money. | ||
| They'd be like, oh, I don't think we have a shot. | ||
| So when you think about the future, you just think about investments and things along those lines. | ||
| You have to, you have to. | ||
| Because, you know, a lot of people... | ||
| Doubting me still. | ||
| A lot of family members really doubting me. | ||
| Still? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How can they doubt you still when you have the number one most heavyweight knockouts ever? | ||
| No, they're not even worrying about the fighting side of things. | ||
| They talk about the financial side of stuff. | ||
| Listen, if you can do what you've already done, you can do anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You just have to dedicate yourself to it, 100%. | ||
| For sure, yeah. | ||
| So my motivation, you know, that's all it is. | ||
| Motivating me. | ||
| Does it motivate you to show people that they're wrong? | ||
| Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
| Especially, you know, I can't really say it, but yeah. | ||
| My close family, my own blood, you know, I don't want to be picking them up because, you know, family reunion coming up. | ||
| The talk of the family reunion. | ||
| But yeah. | ||
| It's hard when there's people that you have to be close to, but yet you know... | ||
| It hurts, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's a bummer. | ||
| You know they're jealous and bitter. | ||
| But that's always going to be the case if someone's successful. | ||
| Especially if someone's like you that's so much more successful than the average person. | ||
| And I try helping them out. | ||
| They burnt their own bridge. | ||
| They expect for me to send a yacht to help them out. | ||
| Can't do it no more. | ||
| Well listen though, if you looked at it, you gotta, you know, it's worth it. | ||
| All of it's worth it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| All the bullshit, all the dealing with the families, just to be Derek Lewis in 2021? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| If not, I would have been here in Austin, asking everybody if they had some change and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, you've got a great life, man. | ||
| You've done amazing shit, and you've got an amazing future, too. | ||
| And I'm a fan. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| I'm happy to have you in here, man. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Alyssa. | ||
| My strength and conditioning coach. | ||
| And she's a huge fan of you. | ||
| Shout out to Alyssa. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| That's the lady in the videos? | ||
| The countdown videos that works you out? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay, I've seen her. | ||
| She's a huge fan, so she'll appreciate that, yeah. | ||
| Oh, my pleasure. | ||
| She looks good, too. | ||
| She looks like she's a really good coach. | ||
| Oh, yeah, she's real good. | ||
| You know, it's shocking because she's a woman. | ||
| Yeah, no offense to all the women out there. | ||
| I know council culture is real strong right now, but she's real good. | ||
| How did you find her? | ||
| My coach used to train her in jiu-jitsu, and so he told me about going over there, and she's close to my house. | ||
| Were you hesitant at first, like, a woman? | ||
| Yeah, a woman, yeah, but she's a different type of woman, so I was like, okay, cool, I'll give her a shot then. | ||
| It fits you, though. | ||
| Like, when watching it, I'm like, it's kind of appropriate to see a big, bad motherfucker like you with a woman telling him what to do. | ||
| Beauty and a beast. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, listen, Derek, good luck with everything you do. | ||
| I appreciate you, and I'm a big fan. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| And thanks for coming in here, man. | ||
| Thanks for having me, and thanks for not letting me eat bull balls on the show. | ||
| Thank you, brother. | ||
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Thanks very much. | |
| Thank you. |
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