Eddie Bravo and Joe Rogan dissect the $100M MMA film industry’s flaws, exposing Never Back Down 2’s unrealistic combat while praising Michael Jai White’s Kyokushin authenticity. They debate elite wrestlers like Rampage Jackson vs. well-rounded fighters like GSP, with Bravo insisting top BJJ skills—like Marcelo Garcia’s—are non-negotiable for success. Shifting to psychedelics, Rogan highlights Ibogaine’s potential to reset addiction-linked brain receptors, citing Ed Clay’s transformation and Hunter S. Thompson’s fictionalized claims. Bravo counters Dr. Drew Pinsky’s anti-marijuana stance, sharing ayahuasca’s role in Brazilian culture as a consciousness-altering tool that shifts priorities toward nature. Their discussion on infinite knowledge—like the Akashic Records—sparks debate over intelligent design vs. evolving consciousness, with Rogan suggesting human imagination may be the source of all advancement. [Automatically generated summary]
I know one of the biggest problems people have been having lately, where you're trying to watch it back and it stops and then starts back up again and then stops.
I mean, the stuff he does, he does some, like, Never Back Down 2. First of all, Never Back Down 1, if you don't know, is the first MMA movie to go mainstream.
That was the biggest MMA movie to date, but it was terrible.
They made it into, like, the Fast and the Furious MMA, and it was terrible.
What it is is the people that can make movies and put them right in, the guys that have that power, They really don't know that much about MMA. They just got into it, and they're like, I'm going to make an MMA movie.
I'm going to make a fighting movie, man.
Like this tap-out stuff.
And they're the guys with the power.
They're not going to let the guys...
They could really put together an authentic MMA movie.
When Steven Seagal had become really famous, they started a search.
Different studios were having searches of martial artists all across the country.
Find the next Steven Seagal.
They met with me in New York.
And I don't remember what studio it was about, but I said the number one problem with martial arts movies is that a real martial artist is going to look at that shit and go, that's not real.
That can't happen.
That's unrealistic.
And they were like, they got arrogant with me.
They were like, that's ridiculous.
Who's going to know?
You and a few other people?
Believe me, it doesn't matter.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
He was really arrogant about it.
I'm like, I'm telling you, as a person, if you're a guitar player, and you're watching some fucking movie about the Buddy Holly story, and there's a guy playing guitar, and you know he's not really playing guitar, that would drive you crazy.
If you saw some guy, and he's doing this, and the music's coming out, but you know this motherfucker is not playing that music.
I remember walking out of Never Back Down 1 going...
Okay, it sucked, but at least they got the mainstream use to armbars and triangles, and at least they got them used to looking at fights, big movie fights, where there's a triangle and an armbar.
We were watching this and you went, ooh, he might be dead.
Like, that was the...
If you've never seen that slam, he's trying to get...
Rona's trying to get Rampage in a triangle and Rampage defends it by picking him up over his head and slamming him down full force onto the ground and then headbutting him.
They collided heads accidentally just from the impact.
And then someone told me, you got to watch a fight of his against Glover Teixeira, you know, who was one of the guys from Chuck's camp, from SLO. Do you remember that guy?
If Sokuju just focused on getting really good at Jiu Jitsu and not end up like one of those fighters, you know, one of those Olympic wrestlers that never learned Jiu Jitsu, you know.
If he falls in love with Jiu Jitsu, continues to progress with the striking, he's going to be a force.
But if he doesn't learn Jiu Jitsu, if he doesn't fall in love with Jiu Jitsu, his chances are very slim of getting to the top.
It's real weird when you see, you know, you always like to say, well, you know, there's a certain amount of losses a fighter has and then they're done.
But every now and then there's a guy who comes along that just defies that shit, that like loses a bunch of times but then gets it together and then starts winning.
That motherfucker is the Strikeforce Grand Prix champion, or excuse me, the K-1 Grand Prix champion and the Strikeforce champion and the Dream champion.
In what I've seen working backstage at all these goddamn shows for the UFC for eight years, that's what I see.
I see the guys come and go, come and go.
And the main thing at the very top, at the very top, even if you're a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt and you won the Mundial a bunch of times...
What I see, I see the prelims for the last eight years.
A lot of people don't see what's going on in the prelims.
Just getting signed, if you're under 170 and you get signed to the UFC, that doesn't mean shit.
You got to get through the prelims to get to the main card.
You know how many fights you gotta win to be on the main card and you're 170 pounds that gonna put you on the main card?
You gotta win more than two fights and you better be exciting.
So getting signed to the UFC is like those, and I've used this before, it's like those turtles that they're born, they're hatched in the...
Yeah, you're born.
Yeah, you're alive.
But now you gotta get past the seagulls and all the crabs attacking you.
Good luck making it to the ocean.
The main card.
Good luck.
It's really hard.
And my point is, I see a lot of guys come and never make it to the prelim.
There's been a lot of Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts out there.
I don't want to say any names.
A lot of them coming through and they just get smashed by wrestlers.
No one ever sees it.
No one ever talks about it.
It's not on the underground.
And they just disappear.
There's been a lot of them.
There's been guys that rise and are stars like Charles Oliveira and that Rocha guy.
I like those guys.
I want them to, you know, their submissions look slick, no-gi.
But there's a lot of guys.
They can't get to the main card because they couldn't get past the elite wrestler.
Even though they were a black belt in the gi, they're on their back.
The guard is okay.
Sometimes things catch.
But overall, I see a lot of guys lose decisions because they're on their back against some average college wrestler they couldn't get passed by.
I see that a lot.
That's what I've seen.
Unless I dreamed it, or it's like I'm having delusions, that's what I thought I see.
I see a lot of guys come through, they don't have the answer for the elite wrestler.
If you haven't wrestled your whole life, if you haven't wrestled your whole life, guess what?
Most of the guys at the top have wrestled, and you better have the answer for them.
That's your worst nightmare.
You better be training for that wrestler.
Right now, because that's what you're going to hit.
And every year, more and more wrestlers are quitting their job at fucking Home Depot, and they're watching The Ultimate Fighter going, I could be famous too?
I wrestled 23 years, fuck this life.
They got three kids, they hate their wife.
There's a lot of these guys coming.
They're coming.
They want to be famous too.
There's a new celebrity in town, and it's the MMA fighter.
And these guys, there are a bunch of them.
The judo guys are going, shit, I could do it too.
I almost went to the Olympics in judo.
There's all these guys coming out.
What are you going to do to them?
These guys are used to being on top.
They've been wrestling since 2. You're going to start wrestling now.
If you haven't wrestled your whole life, your guard better be amazing.
It better be ninja.
When they talk about your guard, you think you're going to make it to the top in MMA and you haven't wrestled your whole life?
If they're not talking about your guard like it's fucking phenomenal, so dangerous, stay away from his guard, it's amazing.
If they're not saying that about your guard, your chances are slim that you're going to get past the elite wrestler.
Because you're not going to be on top, for sure.
And it's a 50-50 beat-em strike.
If you beat-em striking, you know, you might win a few.
Edwin Figueroa and Michael McDonald, they fought at 145. Prelim?
145 or 135?
I think it was 145. Forgive me if I'm not sure.
Yeah, it was one of the prelims.
It aired on Facebook or one of those things.
Maybe it was Spike.
I think it was Facebook, though.
This fucking kid is super talented, dude.
Super talented.
And both of them are.
Figueroa took the fight on six days' notice and cut 20 pounds to make the weight class.
I'm pretty sure it was 135. Either way, Figueroa cut all this fucking weight and was getting his ass kicked in the first round, but then just gutted it out and starts going after him in the second round and the third round.
Dude, it was just a crazy fucking fight.
But this kid, McDonald, had him in a triangle-arm bar combination.
He had his back.
It was six.
Sick display of striking and jujitsu together.
And he's fucking 20 years old, man.
All these new guys that are coming up, they can do everything.
There's no way, ultimately, having an average guard, like most typical MMA fighters, that average guard that we're seeing now, If you have that, you're gone.
And people are leaving out razor-sharp finishing jiu-jitsu.
They're leaving that out.
There's a lot of guys that are spending most of their time working on their striking, which is great.
But I think the main concern is, you know what?
I'm going to be as tough as I can.
I don't want to be exposed.
I don't want to get knocked.
I'm going to do everything I can...
To not get knocked the fuck out in front of the world.
So most people focus on the striking.
I totally understand that.
But you have, if you want to make, if you want to fight, if you want a long career, you want a long successful career, you have to fall in love with jujitsu.
And that means you have to get into, you have to study the top guys.
And the top guys are Marcelo, Hodger Gracie, and Jeff Glover.
Just the most beautiful jujitsu.
Just watch that.
And you got to start getting into that.
If you're not into it, And your career's not going that great, ask yourself that question.
Especially if you like fighting, you're going to want to have a career that's long.
You're going to want to take as little damage as possible.
And if you don't have really good submissions and that option isn't in your toolbox at all times, you're going to engage in longer fights than necessary.
You're going to get more damage than necessary.
There's guys that have equal striking.
But one guy will see an opening for a submission and jump on it even though he's striking with the guy because he recognizes it's the correct thing to do, that it's there.
But for some guys, they don't have that option in their toolbox.
And if you don't have that option in your toolbox, you're going to have longer fights.
He won a kickboxing contest with Tiago Alves, basically.
I mean, there were some takedowns in that fight, but the kickboxing part of it, the stand-up part, George won that shit.
George is a beast.
So Jake is at a significant disadvantage standing up.
But Jake is a motherfucker, dude.
If he gets a hold of him, if he gets that fucking double underhooks on George and really squeezes, if somehow or another he finds himself in a position where, you know, George zigs when he should have zags...
Or he somehow or another gets him pressed up against the cage and actually gets a hold of him.
Jake Shields taking maybe 90 seconds to pass George's guard and then he finally passes and then within a minute he sinks in a rear naked choke or some guillotine and then puts him out and you're like wow man he took his time but he sort of went through George.
I could see that maybe or I could also see him not being able to pass George St. Pierre's guard.
George St. Pierre's guard might be insane by this time.
The last time we saw it, I think it was maybe Carl Prison or something.
I forget the last time we saw it, but he was on his back.
Everybody else is like, fuck this, I'm not carrying rocks.
The guineas are like, fuck you, I'll carry these fucking rocks.
I mean, it's no different in a racist way than the idea that African Americans were at one point in time slaves and they were bred to be larger and stronger.
I think the people that think it's racist see it as when they say, if you bring it up, it's almost like, yeah, you're a better athlete, but it's because we owned you.
If I had a time machine and I could go back, and I could mess with parallel dimensions and universes, I would choose a life where I was in a world where all the Mexicans were enslaved, and they got created amazing athletes, and then I was a product of that.
For me, right now, I think that's a cool background.
My people were enslaved.
For me, I don't understand the...
Like, you know, because I'm not black, so they have a whole different feeling for it.
I think if I go back into my history, if I could get a time machine and go back to the history of my DNA, I think along evolution, you know, if evolution is real and if at one point in time we were actually lower hominids and we evolved to become humans and these hairless apes, I think there must be stages along the way, you know?
And I think at one point in time, one of my great, great ancestors fucked a monkey he probably shouldn't have been fucking anymore.
You know what I mean?
It was like one crazy monkey that was probably going to die out.
One crazy wild monkey.
And this more evolved monkey was like, God damn, but I am horny.
And he shot a load of that crazy monkey.
And that monkey became like this hybrid.
And that's where I, that's my genetic lineage.
I definitely came from, I definitely have just a hair more monkey in them than the regular person.
There's no doubt about it.
There's no doubt about it.
I mean, if you look at evolution, you know, you look at like evolved people, you know who looks evolved to me?
Asian people do.
Asian people, they have less hair.
They're fucking awesome at math.
They're incredibly hard workers.
You know, they're talking about having these...
They're going to have this thing in Japan where the nuclear power plants have melted down.
Dude, a bunch of people, more than 50, are going to die for sure because they went in there to clean that shit up.
Like, they sacrificed themselves.
That shit would never happen with my people.
Anybody in my family?
Anybody with my genetics?
That's not happening.
My culture?
That's not happening.
We're not going to do that.
The Japanese to me, that seems to be the most of all.
How weird is it that that is going on the exact same time your neighborhood is going on?
happening at the same time on this planet there's parts of this planet that are in a totally different frequency than we are right here yeah if I lived in Colombia in some third-world country like that I'd probably fucking a donkey every now and then for goof fuck it What else is there to do?
Can you imagine how much it must suck to be born into some really fucking crazy little small country that's super poor and has dirt roads?
And you don't even realize how fucked up everything is until one day you go somewhere and there's a TV. And you look at the TV and you see like Manhattan and shit and buildings and skyscrapers and people eating dinner and juicy steaks.
There's a reason why those fucking farmers in Montana and up there in Butte, those dudes with leather faces look like fucking catchersmiths smoking Marlboros and fucking sheepdog all day long.
All we would need is a couple nuclear meltdowns in this country.
Lower the price of life, and then for sure that could be a real show.
Who can fuck the craziest animal?
Next on Spike.
After Tough 196. Top season 196. Brock Lesnar is still the UFC heavyweight champion because now they have genetic engineering and he's fucking 200 years old.
Statistically, there's not much difference between the human beings of today and the human beings that were having people fight tigers in the Roman Empire.
We're the same fucking people.
The only thing is that we've managed to not have a giant natural disaster between then and now.
So we've accumulated a bunch of data on how you shouldn't act.
That's the only reason why we don't have people fighting tigers in the middle of a fucking arena today.
Because if somebody put it out today, there would be a bunch of people that would be into it.
And if anything ever happened to the people today...
If there was some fucking asteroid impact that killed off half of us and the people survived, it was all fucking chaos.
For sure, within 100 years, people would be fighting tigers in an arena again.
They were people that were sent in to go in and cause chaos, and break windows, and they all wore ski masks, and they all wore military-issued boots, and nobody knew them.
They weren't involved in the rest of the protests.
The protest was peaceful and inconvenient because all these foreign delegates and all these people were coming, these representatives of foreign countries were coming to that one place and to have all this protest around was embarrassing and it was disturbing and it was causing a lot of press.
They were having to answer a lot of questions about it.
So they turned it into a violent display.
They turned it into a violent protest.
They being the government.
They came in with guys that were in military outfits and they would wear ski masks on and they broke windows and they smashed.
And Alex Jones documents every single aspect of it, including these guys going into a safe house and being allowed to negotiate and eventually all being released.
I mean, he documents all this and, you know, he does it with news reports and he does it with video footage and it's pretty fucking crazy because what they did is they shut down a protest.
They sent some fucking goons in and they shut down a protest.
You're saying that you can't go in with a pin that says World Trade Organization, that you're opposed to it?
You can't have an opinion?
That's not even offensive.
There's no swears, no curses.
It's not something that would hurt children.
You know, you just have a WTO with a red line through it, and you're telling me I can't go to work.
They wouldn't let people into buildings.
They had cops there with guns that were telling people, you have to take that shirt off, you have to take that pin off.
They have videos of this.
In fucking America, they created a no protest zone.
So just for the stuff like that that Alex exposes, you know, whether or not he's right about a missile hitting the Pentagon or any of that other stuff, shit, I don't know, man.
There's not enough time in the world to be dwelling on all this shit.
He's wrong about a couple things, but if you're going to judge a guy based on, like, oh, he was wrong about this, so he can't know anything else, you know, then none of us would have any opinions that mattered.
He has fucked up a little bit here and there, but, man, I believe the shit he tells me, I believe, I'm confident with in the 90 percentile.
It all depends on whether Whether or not, by the time the apocalypse hits, we've created artificial people.
If we created like whores, artificial whores, you know, soulless, mindless, robot whores that you could just fuck the shit out of, and they love you, and they're so happy, and they just shut off and wait for you to come back.
And when you come back, they talk to you perfectly.
It's just like Blade Runner, except they don't have a soul.
I am so fascinated by what the fuck ever is going to happen when things keep going.
I watch all those Ray Kurzweil lectures, and I've read some of his papers and some of his articles about the singularity and the idea of artificial intelligence.
It's all going to happen.
We're not going to stop.
We've created so much between now and just a couple hundred years ago.
The difference between our life now, and I was watching The Unforgiven the other day on a plane.
Still badass, bro.
Still badass from like 1990, whatever the fuck it was.
That movie is awesome.
Clint Eastwood is the shit.
Especially in that movie.
That's the best western movie ever.
But I looked at the way these fucking people were living and I'm like, my god.
That's less than 200 years ago.
Less than 200 years ago.
And they're riding horses and getting rained on and shit.
And they're going to these places and the houses are made of wood and they're leaking like crazy because of the rain.
They didn't even know how to make roofs right back then.
They had one show where they watched his family sneak across the border.
They followed him from sneaking across the border to trying to get someone to take them in in Phoenix.
They were trying to get someone to let them sleep in their garage for the night because they had just snuck in.
You know, people were like, man, you can't be here.
You can't be here.
And they were talking Spanish to them.
It was really crazy.
It was like these Mexicans that had snuck through did not want these guys that hadn't to be staying in their garage.
They just wanted a place to sleep for the night before they made it to town.
They were literally going into knocking on people's doors.
Can you help us?
They didn't have anything.
They had no food.
They had no money.
Like, wow.
You talk about taking chances.
It's really moving, man.
This couple, this man, this woman, they're holding hands, and they're trying to get across to America and try to get jobs, and they're talking to them in Spanish about what they're looking forward to when they go to America, and they're trying to make some money, and they're going to send money back home.
It's like, whoa, why can't they just come over?
What the fuck is that?
Why can't they just come over here?
Can't we just have a screening process to see who's nice, and if they're nice, let them over here?
See, the real thing with all these Schedule 1 substances is the last thing they want is scrutiny.
They want anybody looking at them.
They don't want to make a new one illegal because then people start looking at what makes it illegal and what is legal.
And then the argument comes up, well, how can that be illegal when this is legal and that's illegal?
And this is sold at every pharmaceutical company all across the country.
It's been shown to be incredibly addictive.
This destroys your liver, but doctors prescribe it like candy.
It would open up the doors of scrutiny.
So what they would rather do is threaten people, close all these companies down that are selling all this shit and not change any of the laws.
Just go, hey, shut the fuck up.
Sit the fuck down.
This is the government here.
And that's what they do.
Because they don't want everybody looking at it.
Because if you look at it, at a certain point in time, when you're a grown man, I am a...
43-year-old grown man, okay?
And if another grown man my age, or God forbid, even younger, is telling me what I can and can't do with my body that doesn't hurt anybody, and they don't even have research to back it up, it's not like, I saw that movie Limitless the other day.
The thing about that is that there were massive consequences.
He would lose time.
People were dying from it.
It wasn't just as simple as you take this thing, it accelerates you, and then you just live like an awesome person for the rest of your life.
There's consequences.
Now, if you can't prove consequences, then you have zero argument.
And that's the real argument, the real problem with psychedelic drugs being illegal.
You have all these people saying that they've helped them.
All these people that are going and taking that Ibogaine, like Ed Clay, our friend Ed Clay, who changed his life, changed who he is, you know, and became this really fucking warm, open person after going on these Ibogaine retreats.
And that's illegal.
Why is it illegal?
There's no study showing it harms you.
There's only studies showing that people have benefited from it.
And so many people talk about it glowingly, and yet you have other grown adults telling you what you can and can't experience.
Then they're the same age as you.
That's ridiculous.
That's nonsense.
There's a lack of reality and a lack of openness when it comes to discussing these things.
These things are never discussed in politics.
These are huge issues.
The issues of being able to control your consciousness is a giant issue.
And the fact that that's not discussed ever during presidential campaigns shows how infantile we are.
At the very least, occasionally it gets breached.
Mr. Obama, did you ever smoke marijuana?
And if so, did you inhale?
Yes, I did.
I thought that was the point.
That's it.
That's the in-depth version of the discussion on marijuana.
Obama admits to smoking marijuana and inhaling, says that was the point.
Amazing.
And everybody, it's like we're little children.
It's like as a nation, in our entirety, we have the attitude about drugs, about marijuana, about psychedelics, that an 11-year-old has.
Francis Crick, apparently, and this is all hearsay because the article says very explicitly that Francis Crick told this man that if he printed a word of this, he would sue.
And he printed it, obviously, after Crick died.
But Crick, the guy who...
He said that he came up with the idea of the double helix for DNA while he was on acid.
But again, this is a guy who says that Crick said that.
The problem is, with anything like that, is that people are full of shit.
Why would they lie?
I don't know, but they could have.
And they do a lot.
You know, people fucking lie like crazy, man.
We were talking about that Game Show in My Head episode that I did.
I told you about this shit.
When we had people talk about UFOs on video, we had a...
Pretend news camera.
Did I tell you about this stunt?
This is what we did.
The game show in my head was a fun-ass show.
And what was interesting about it was there was a contestant and I had a microphone and I would talk in their ear with a little earpiece.
And I would tell them, here's your stunt.
This is what you got to do.
They didn't know what was going to happen.
We didn't know where they were.
We had them in a van, and then we would open the door and say, walk to that mark on the floor, and then Joe will be talking to you in your ear.
So they would walk to that mark.
I go, alright, dude, you ready to do this?
He goes, yeah, here's what we got.
You are a news reporter, okay?
There was just a UFO sighting right here in Hollywood.
It was huge.
A giant flying saucer was here, and it took off.
Now, you lost your witness.
The witness was gonna go on camera and he was gonna tell everybody about this UFO experience and now you're gonna look really stupid because you've got the camera here and there's no witness.
So you're gonna try to ask one of these people to pretend it was them.
That was their stunt.
And every person they got to do it, you know, I think if they got three people to do it, they won $5,000.
It looked like to me, it was, you know, from the point of view of a bunch of Marines fighting, getting called to fight these aliens that landed in L.A. and they're fighting them through L.A. It looks like a video game...
I keep on forgetting about this, but half these people on Twitter that have the bad language skills and stuff like that, they're probably 12. Because if I was 12, I'd be talking shit nonstop all day long.
That's why I listen to conservative talk radio, too.
I mean, I listen to conservative talk radio because I don't know anybody like that.
I want to know how those fucking people think.
And when I have those, you know what the libs don't know, okay?
I'll tell you right now.
Here's what the libs don't know.
Obama doesn't like you either, okay?
Obama's one of those elitists.
And I like listening to that shit because this fucking guy believes this.
He's selling this.
I was listening to Glenn Beck this morning.
I stopped in my driveway for five minutes just sitting there shaking my head listening to Glenn Beck this morning.
Just like this crazy asshole that thinks that the reason why the fucking tsunami and earthquake happened is because we're not following the Ten Commandments.
That seems like a bunch of serious stuff to watch.
I guess I don't...
I mean, if I'm going to watch anything serious, it's going to be like fucking cops or murder stuff so I can at least learn a skill trade if I'm going to murder somebody, how I can get away with it.
Well, no, for Dr. Drew, man, there's no solution other than sobriety.
You know, I retweeted something.
I think, I forget, someone tweeted something about pot, and I retweeted it going, suck on that, Dr. Drew, you know, like to him, thinking that I've been friends with that guy for years.
And when you tell him that it does, there should be some sort of a test.
And when you tell him that it does, that's the only thing that ever annoys me about Dr. Drew, is that he's not willing to sort of take that into consideration.
He's pretty rigid on his stance when it comes to psychedelic drugs and to drugs.
I thought maybe he does know, but he's just trying to save his job and he can't talk about it because technically it's still illegal so I can't promote it.
I thought it was that and he did know the truth.
But either way, that would still be something that I wouldn't be happy with.
Well, Todd McCormick schooled him on Loveline years ago when he was talking about it.
He's definitely not objective when it comes to that.
But hey, you know, whatever.
That's him.
It's the path he's on.
It's unfortunate.
I think all people can learn from psychedelic experiences.
If you're not fucked up, if there's not something wrong with you medically, if there's not something wrong with you psychologically where you really can't go on trips, even just trips of eating weed, that shit benefits you greatly.
In Brazil, where ayahuasca is legal, the people that are part of the ayahuasca churches, and they're just normal, loving people, they give ayahuasca to their kids when they turn 14 to make sure they don't become alcoholics.
Because ayahuasca at that age, right when they're hitting puberty, it sets their brain straight somehow.
And ayahuasca, if you know what it is, it's the key to the other side, to the spirit world.
It really is.
And when you see the spirit world at 14, somehow it keeps them from being alcoholics.
When you've had experiences like the DMT experience, which if people don't know, ayahuasca is the DMT experience.
Ayahuasca is an orally active version of DMT, and the reason it's orally active as opposed to the regular version is that DMT, when you eat it, It's broken down in your stomach by something called monoamine oxidase.
And monoamine oxidase is produced by your stomach and it kills it.
So when you eat it, nothing happens.
So what these people have figured out how to do, and there's hundreds of thousands of different plants in the Amazon.
They've figured out how to take the root of one tree and the leaves of another and they combine them.
And one of them has DMT and the other one has a natural...
MAO, monoamine oxidase inhibitor.
So it inhibits your stomach's production of monoamine oxidase and it allows the DMT to get into your bloodstream orally.
And it takes a long time.
It takes like five or six hours for the full trip.
And it's like a ride through to the other side.
It allows you, during that brief amount of time, to tune into the spirit world, which is all around us all the time.
It's a huge part of their culture, and it's been something that has been passed on from generation to generation.
It's a really incredible discovery because they figured out out all those plants.
They figured out how to take this, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, mix it together, boil it, strain it out, drink it, throw up.
It tastes like dog shit.
It tastes terrible.
It's a long-ass process to make this, but they figured out how to do this.
It's a really amazing discovery because they didn't figure out anything else.
They have dirt floors and shit.
They don't even have shoes.
They're out there making ayahuasca.
Connecting to the spirit world on a regular basis.
And you say, well, we're advanced.
Those poor people, they're not advanced.
They're way more advanced.
Yeah, they don't have supermarkets, but guess what?
They live in a place where food is everywhere.
And they go to the spirit world all the time.
They're completely connected to the afterlife.
If anybody realizes this is all just a bullshit good time and just try to enjoy it as much as you can, they do.
Those fucking people are knocking on the door every day.
I grew up very religious and then at 10, when I found out that Everybody wasn't Catholic.
I thought everybody was Catholic.
Everybody in my neighborhood was Catholic.
We had a couple of Protestants in the school.
I didn't know what that was.
I was a little confused.
And then we had a couple of Jehovah's Witness.
And I was like, hmm.
But mostly everybody was Catholic.
All the sitcoms that the kids watched back then coincided with Catholic holidays.
So we see Christmas specials and we see Easter.
So I just thought everybody was Catholic.
You know, I was an altar boy.
I'm like, I can't wait to get to heaven because my life sucks.
Once I found out that there was Jews out there and I found out, I'm like, what's a Jew?
Is that a person?
Oh no, it's a religion.
And there's other religions then?
I became atheist once I found out there's a thousand religions and I went, oh, it's just Muslim.
I'll be bullshit.
So then I became super atheistic, started writing songs about Satan.
I didn't believe in Satan, but I'm like, I don't believe in anything and I'm gonna scare all these Christians and I'm gonna write about Satan killing priests and stuff.
I wasn't atheist.
I mean, I didn't believe in God at all.
And then when I was 21, I had an experience that made me realize that there might be some stuff out there.
Should I tell the psychic story?
Tell whatever you want, man.
It's an interesting story.
I went from atheism to being an agnostic.
At 21, I just moved to Hollywood to be a rock star.
I'm walking up Sunset Boulevard, passing the Roxy.
And my buddy John was like 10, 15 yards ahead of me.
And in front of the Roxy, there's this hippie playing...
He's playing guitar and he has this sign about the Amazon rainforest getting chopped down and all this stuff.
And he's just a dirty hippie to me.
And I passed by and he's all tree-hugging.
And I looked at him and in my mind, I'm like, you know, take a shower.
But I didn't actually say that.
And as if he read my mind, he stopped playing, walked up to me, looked me in the face and said, if I guess your birthday, will you listen to me?
And I'm like, yeah, right.
And he looked at me in the eye and said, he said, May...
May 15th.
I'm like, holy shit.
I said, John, John, come here.
I waved my friend over, and as if that wasn't enough, he had to do it again for the confirmation.
You know, I was listening to a McKenna podcast, I forget, Psychedelic Cafe, I think is the name of the podcast, and it had a Terence McKenna speech where he was talking about how everybody's so concerned about the rainforest and everyone's so concerned about the environment and pollution and toxifications of the ocean, but of just one, just one of these things that has hit the earth so many times in the past, came here from outer space, you wouldn't have to worry about anything anymore.
There'd be nothing left.
You know, he's talking about the meteor that hit the Yucatan and how that within the first second and a half, it was five miles deep into the earth.
There had to be something that we don't understand.
There has to be another dimension or something.
So I became obsessed with finding out what life really is.
I've just always been on that quest.
That's how I became a conspiracy theorist.
That's why I'm fascinated with ancient cultures and what they did.
I have stacks and stacks of DVDs, just like you.
Stacks of DVDs of conspiracy theories and Documentaries on ancient cultures and the government and how the government works and all this stuff.
That set me on the course right there to find out what's really going on.
Is there an afterlife?
I mean, that's important.
It became important to me to find out if there is.
Is there some kind of higher power?
That set it off.
So I became agnostic and through DMT and all the things that I've been through, To me, I feel I'm pretty certain there's an afterlife, that we don't just die and we're just done.
I believe that there is the Akashic Records, and the ancient Indians believed, from India, they believed, you know, they dubbed it the Akashic Records.
In the afterworld, there's a river of infinite information that you can have access to, the answers to everything, and through meditation and just...
Through controlling your own frequency, people have done it.
It's been done.
The most famous in the West was Edgar Cayce.
He had the knowledge to tap into this information and no one can figure it out.
He has like 13,000 or 14,000 documented readings.
He got huge.
The president came to him.
He was a guy with a third grade education.
But when he went under in his medium state, he had the answers to everything.
He was like this man in a different voice and would just have the answers to everything.
He knew the function of every gland, and no one knew if he was bullshitting because they didn't even know back then.
We're finding the shit he's saying, we're finding out the shit now, that he was right.
He would rattle off the pituitary gland and give you what vitamins you need to take, what's its function, going through all the glands, and people thought, he's crazy.
But he had it documented.
MDs are going back and studying his readings and going, holy shit.
You can't debunk him.
He had the power.
He had the power to reach and he's not the only one.
There's a lot of people that could do it.
Meditation helps.
You know, you yourself have even said through meditating in your tank that you feel like you have access to information.
Well, I definitely feel like the closer you get to being at peace and in the right frequency, and that you can direct your frequency.
I really do believe that.
I believe that with the tank, and especially if I go into the tank under the influence of the sacred plant, And I get into that groove of completely, totally letting go and trying to abandon all that is about me and just try to be empty and just tune into it.
There's a place that I get to.
It's almost like I go on this little journey.
And I got to keep it together while I'm going on this journey because sometimes when I'm on it, it could get a little weird.
I start thinking about myself or about my life or about anything else.
And then it interrupts my progress.
But if I can tune in and stay in long enough, it's like I go through a tunnel.
And then when I get through the tunnel, if I can keep it together, I get through the tunnel and then I break on through to the other side.
And when I break on through to the other side, it literally is like I get to another place.
It's like I go through this tunnel.
This tunnel of, it's almost like tuning my mind into the perfect frequency and whether or not I'm willing to let go of all of my control.
All of my control and my thinking.
And if I can, if I can, it's literally like a magical event, man, where I pop through this tunnel on the other side and there's this beautiful, incredible, psychedelic world over there.
Psychedelic world of patterns and communication and it's like a mushroom trip.
Well, you know, I don't think there is anything that's imaginary.
This is my thinking about the imagination.
This is what I think, man.
Your imagination, you're a very creative person.
Now think of all the different things that you've thought of, you know, whether you were when you were writing shit for the man show or whether you're creating jujitsu moves.
Whatever it is, you think it, and then it manifests itself in a real form as a real thing, a solid object.
It was at one point in time just a thought.
Like, the ability to put something in a can.
Somebody had to think this up, how to make a fucking can, and then figure out how many coconuts you'd have to squash to get all this coconut juice into this can.
There's a lot of work involved in that, but someone has to create it and think it.
And so the imagination allows you to think of these ideas, and then they manifest themselves in a real form.
So the real question is...
What the fuck is the imagination?
When you're thinking things up and someone comes up with the idea of nuclear power, I mean, granted, there's a bunch of steps along the way, a bunch of other discoveries have to be made, a bunch of things have to be pieced together to get to a point where you're making a nuclear power plant or an airplane or fucking anything really complicated.
But the bottom line is all of it has come out of nothing.
All of it, every idea ever, has come out of the air.
And if you look at the ancient Indians, is there an Akashic Records?
Is there proof?
Yes, there's lots of proof, but the undeniable proof, you look at Edgar Cayce, he proves that you can somehow, under hypnosis or in a trance or in meditation, you can tap into this infinite knowledge, these answers that came from somewhere else.
So if there is this infinite river of knowledge, Or what the hell is it?
Who created it?
What's it for?
Is there consciousness behind it?
Did something create it?
When we exist in the spirit world, are we like this super infinite?
I mean, because if you listen to the mystics and ancient cultures, the mediums, if you look at all the things they all agree on, they all say, and even Terence McKenna has said this, that in the afterlife, In the other dimension, there's no time.
There's no past.
There's no present.
There's just now.
Everything happens at the same time.
No human can actually understand that or understand what that feels.
They can't wrap their brain around it.
I can't.
I can say it, but I don't really know what it feels like.
But that's what they all say.
There is no time.
And this dimension that we're living in is an illusion of time.
We see time moves in a linear fashion, so we perceive it as time, and like, what does that really mean?
This is an illusion?
Really?
Like, what could it mean?
And if there is this river of infinite knowledge, Damn it.
Whatever created that for sure is there's some intelligent design going on.
Like that's what I'm coming.
That's the conclusion I'm coming to.
That's not just some natural phenomenon where there's infinite knowledge and certain people under meditation could tap into it.
That sounds like there's some awesome shit that created that for multiple dimensions.
Right?
If it exists.
And then you backtrack that it exists.
Yes, there's lots of proof that it is there.
People are taking information.
The guy who guessed my birthday and my friend's birthday, he tapped into this infinite river of knowledge that ancient cultures all talk about.
Yeah, but that's not embarrassing, because at one point in time, it had to be lower than us.
If the Big Bang actually created the universe, at one point in time, like a day old, was the universe like, God, you should be embarrassed with yourself.
This is it?
You don't even have worms yet, you fucking loser?
Well, the whole universe, if everything evolves, at one point in time, it has to be in a low form.
You know, what we are in this, you know, if this is a universe, if this is a dimension, you know, whatever you want to classify this space that we dwell in, you know, whether you think it's one part of the great beyond, it's all attached together, whatever the fuck it is, this part is at this stage, this is where it is, you know, as embarrassing as what we are right now, this may very well be as far as it gets.
I mean, if we think that there are aliens, and we think that aliens at one point in time used to be, you know, like us, and then they evolved and became much better than us, well, that means they had to be like us at one point in time.
I believe that if there's an Akashic Records, if there's an infinite river of knowledge, There's definitely, in my eyes, the conclusion would be that there's a higher power with higher intelligence than what we're at.
Someone else, we're not creating that shit.
Somebody created that.
We can't fucking make an infinite river of knowledge where we can just grab it like a supercomputer.
It might be something like we're moving towards becoming that.
It might be that.
It might be that there is no God and there is no one who's at the wheel of this whole thing, but that the whole thing is moving in a direction.
The way to move in the correct direction is to move towards God, is to move towards love, is to move towards friendship and happiness.
And that's why when you crack through to the next stage, when you have that DMT trip and you go over there, it's like, What you're trying to do is to get there.
What you're trying to do is to tune in to how they're tuned in.
And then it's not even that there's a thing behind it, but it's that you are it.
It's the ultimate mindfuck to think about, you know, and that your own biology is sort of betraying you into thinking that you're an individual and that you're not a part of some gigantic fucking thing that's all happening.
But one of the things that you've realized and I've realized over the course of our friendship, I mean, Eddie's been my best friend since I think 2000, we started hanging out in 2000. It comes back to the story of the Twister.
Because this is how we became good friends.
I was getting private lessons when I first started doing Jiu Jitsu.
I was a blue belt under this dude.
I won't say his name.
He's a very nice guy.
But I'm going to say something negative.
And because I was getting private lessons from him all the time, he was the only guy that I was rolling with.
And I wasn't really learning nearly as much as I thought.
I thought, like if you're kickboxing, like you say, if you get a chance to work out with Rob Kamen, It's way better to work out what Rob came in one-on-one than it is to go to a private class.
He's going to correct all your technique.
So I thought that would be the case with jiu-jitsu.
I would get really good going to class.
It ain't like that.
And Eddie was the first person to tell me.
And Eddie came to one of the private lessons that I was having with Silvio, and we rolled around a little bit.
And right away, he got me in a twister.
And I had no idea what the fuck he's doing.
All of a sudden, he hooks my knee with his left leg, and his left foot goes under his right knee, and he rolls forward under his left shoulder, and I'm spinning around like a top, and next thing you know, he's got my arm wrapped around his neck, and he's fucking pulling on my neck like this.
I was like, what the fuck did you just do?
Like, I had been doing jujitsu for two years, and I had no idea what the fuck you just did to me.
And I was like, God damn.
And you're like, I'll teach you all this shit.
I was like, dude, teach me this shit.
And that's how we became friends.
And that's also how I started smoking pot.
I was on the Marc Maron podcast the other day, and this came up.
I thought that marijuana...
And all that stuff was for losers.
I thought that it just made you a loser.
You're just going to become unmotivated.
You're not going to get anything done.
You're going to be a dummy and just sit and watch TV. That's not what I wanted, man.
I wanted to make sure.
We're like our friend Bud.
We have a good friend Bud who's like super fucking go-getter.
You know, Bud is a great guy.
He's the one who put together the TV show to build that car, that Barracuda.
And he's also the one who did my garage, like an MMA garage.
He's always got like a bunch of different TV shows going on.
And he's a fucking go-getter.
And you and I are always like, dude, please just let us get you high.
I didn't watch NewsRadio, and at that point, it was before Fear Factor, so I never watched NewsRadio, and so I was like, oh, can I hear he's an actor or something?
I barely remembered you, but then when I saw you at the comedy store...
Michael J. White was the producer, star, director.
He wanted to make sure that it was MMA authentic and not be anything like the first one.
So Never Back Down 2, you know, he brought me in as a consultant.
I ended up getting a little part.
I got a couple songs on the soundtrack.
But we did our best to make it, to fill all the holes, to make sure that a hardcore MMA fan could come and watch this movie and couldn't poke any holes.
And there's a twister in there, too.
I choreographed a fight where he gets a guy to twist her.
And it seemed at that point like, you know, like there was no twisters in the UFC. So I could see like the producers as I'm putting it together.
Like, are you sure we're going to do this?
I mean, this is legit.
Are people going to...
Isn't this like a double flip kick?
And thank God the Korean zombie pulled off a twister.
So now it legitimizes that part of the movie as well.